Trumpmentum!

Surely there would be a backlash against Trump after his slur against John McCain's military service, cried the GOP!

Um, no.

A new poll of voters likely to take part in the New Hampshire Republican primary shows Donald Trump with the biggest lead he has yet held in the GOP race. The Monmouth University poll, released Tuesday morning, has Trump at 24 percent -- double the support of the next-highest Republican, Jeb Bush, at 12 percent.

Perhaps Trump's growing following (I wouldn't go so far as to call it "support") will lead the GOP to rethink its strategy of calling these disaffected types every name in the book and instead provide a credible alternative to channel their anger.

Or not.

Interesting take away from this *one* poll....Trump's favoribility rating isn't underwater in it and he's crushing it with younger voters.

I don't buy the idea that Trump is a serious candidate. Oh sure, he's going to campaign and do whatever it is he thinks will get votes but I can't believe when push comes to shove people will vote for him.

One advantage, and it's a big one, he has over the flavor of the month candidates last time (like Bachmann and Cain) is there's nothing that can come out about him that would make people say, "oh no, that's beyond the pale in terms of charachter or temperament".

He is who he is and every negative that would sink anyone else is simply "The Mystique of The Donald." It's all already priced in. Hell, it's part of his appeal.

I know the GOP is getting worried about this and there will be some movements to exclude him from debates (everyone will have to swear not to run 3rd party/indy) or keep him off ballots through some rules machinations.

If the GOP tries to keep the man who is at the top of the polls out a debate or off ballots, they are just asking for trouble.

Trump isn't running to raise his speaking fees or get a TV show (remember he gave one up to do this). He's in this because he's an egomaniac who has nothing better to do with his money and the name recognition he's built up over the years.

I don't see him as a "Well, if the rules say I'm out, then those are the rules" kind of guy. Anything other than a legit flame out that crushes his ego is only going to lead to him lashing out.

He may not be worth as much money as he claims but he's sure as hell worth enough to run a spite campaign that will sink any hope the GOP has next year.

There are no good answers here for the GOP but my guess is they will find away to come up with the worst one possible. That's kind of what they are best at.

Added: Matthew in the comments asks a great question.

5 He's rabidly pro-abortion, essentially pro-illegal immigration, and fundamentally pro big-government.
Why don't the GOP higher ups love the guy?
And why do the rank and file not hate him?
What kind of topsy turvy world is this?
Posted by: matthew at July 28, 2015 12:12 PM (Z/WIA)

Posted by: DrewM. at 12:10 PM

Comments

(Jump to bottom of comments)

1 Soon as I hit a new post we get a new thread.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 28, 2015 12:10 PM (GpgJl)

2 In before the nattering nabobs of negativity

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 28, 2015 12:10 PM (JO9+V)

3 The Monmouth University poll = liberal outfit

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 28, 2015 12:11 PM (GpgJl)

4 Is this the flame thread?

Repost:
Heh.
http://is.gd/SX6LHo

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 28, 2015 12:11 PM (/kI1Q)

5 He's rabidly pro-abortion, essentially pro-illegal immigration, and fundamentally pro big-government.

Why don't the GOP higher ups love the guy?
And why do the rank and file not hate him?

What kind of topsy turvy world is this?

Posted by: matthew at July 28, 2015 12:12 PM (Z/WIA)

6 Polls will mean something after the summer is over. Everybody is going to the beach and on vacation and nobody is paying attemtion to politics now.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 28, 2015 12:13 PM (GpgJl)

7 I can't believe when push comes to shove people will vote for him.

Actually Drew I can see people voting for him. Even if it's just a FU vote aimed at the GOP establishment.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 28, 2015 12:13 PM (S+el1)

8 "but my guess is they will find away to come up with the worst one possible. "

You can bet on that.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 28, 2015 12:14 PM (LA7Cm)

9 Drew, it may be that Trump is not a "serious candidate," at least in the John Kasich/Krispy Kreme/Shuckabee mold. I know those three -- and, of course, others, like Cruz, Rubio, Perry, Jindal, Walker, etc. -- are serious as hell about it. Just ask them.

But which of these is the only one with balls enough to stand up and make declarative statements that square with the Constitution and law?

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 28, 2015 12:14 PM (rCmeG)

10 He may not be worth as much money as he claims but he's sure as hell worth enough to run a spite campaign that will sink any hope the GOP has next year.

Repeat after me: Self-inflicted wound.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 28, 2015 12:14 PM (2l5vw)

11 "Why don't the GOP higher ups love the guy?"

Because he can't be bought and paid for. The establishment will have little/no control over him. This scares them.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 28, 2015 12:15 PM (LA7Cm)

12 Oh sure, he's going to campaign and do whatever it is he thinks will get votes but I can't believe when push comes to shove people will vote for him.

Well, now you know one that will.
Trump, or no one. I will no longer give my vote to the GOPe.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 28, 2015 12:15 PM (jTo7g)

13 I can't believe when push comes to shove people will vote for him.

I wouldn't be the farm on that, Drew. Especially given the alternatives.

Posted by: Peaches at July 28, 2015 12:15 PM (EgOr3)

14 Well, his "serious candidateness" is definitely on the upswing.

Until some "serious candidate" quits mealymouthing and starts talking sense about facts to the electorate, this trend will probably continue.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at July 28, 2015 12:16 PM (go6ud)

15 Drew, how do you know The Donald's mind -- "he won't run"? Pretty arrogant. Let him say what needs to be said and see what the other candidates do with it. They need to be much more "on board" with this revolution of and by the disgusted, yet still hopeful. I would prefer a governor whose work I have reviewed (a resume) -- a real resume -- real experience working with different groups, crony corporate types, government corruption criminals, fiscal discipline, limited government. Let there be an all out street fight among (now)Republican candidates; we can hope they also cooperate and talk about what each other is doing right at the same time. May the best man or woman win -- and that includes Trump. He sounds at least as disgusted as I feel -- thank God.

Posted by: pyromancer76 at July 28, 2015 12:16 PM (zvcr8)

16 The GOP has become the old 'Aints.

A team best known for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory with the most stupid fumble ever seen.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 28, 2015 12:16 PM (rAzGJ)

17 The press could destroy him at any moment by being truthful but it's the one thing they cannot do.

Posted by: Luagha at July 28, 2015 12:16 PM (UgGw6)

18 The establishment GOP now have a "yuuuuuuge" problem on their hands. And it's a fundamentally self-inflicted problem.

They refused to even seriously discuss issues such as illegal immigration. Despite repeated consistent polling showing that not just the GOP base but voters in general have had tremendous concerns about that for a long time.

Now an unpredictable outsider has seized on and exploited the silence of the establishment Republicans, and they're now all crapping their collective pants.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 28, 2015 12:16 PM (noWW6)

19 Even if it's just a FU vote aimed at the GOP establishment.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 28, 2015 12:13 PM

Not just the GOP, pal.

It's time for both parties to DIAF.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 28, 2015 12:16 PM (rCmeG)

20 He's so egotistical that when He doesn't get the nod He will go Third party....

Posted by: donna at July 28, 2015 12:16 PM (hUdMz)

21
Ever hear this myth: Every time a fly lands, it poops.

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 12:16 PM (h0PFb)

22 Trump is going to tank the election for Hillary. This has been in the works since 2008 when they collaborated on the Birther nonsense.

Posted by: muto at July 28, 2015 12:16 PM (tpR5v)

23 I would vote for him in a second. Look at the alternatives.

Posted by: Chris Vaughn at July 28, 2015 12:16 PM (Bcqod)

24 everyone will have to swear not to run 3rd party/indy

Yeah, just like they all kept their promises to repeal Obamacare, defund amnesty, etc...

Donald can promise not to run 3p and then change his mind.."You f*cked up, you trusted me !'

Posted by: McCool at July 28, 2015 12:17 PM (nCSwS)

25 Who's the cat that won't cop out

While the GOPe just flops about?

(Trump!)

Right On!

You see this cat Trump is a bad motherf

(Shut your mouth!)

But I'm talkin' about Trump

(Then we can dig it)

He's a complicated man

But no one understands him but his woman

(Don Trump)

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 28, 2015 12:17 PM (JO9+V)

26 Has Gabe said anything about polls this far out not really being that important yet?

Posted by: buzzion at July 28, 2015 12:17 PM (zt+N6)

27 Posted by: Drew M.

Is that you, Kevin D.?

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 28, 2015 12:18 PM (rCmeG)

28 heh heh

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 28, 2015 12:19 PM (evdj2)

29 "I don't buy the idea that Trump is a serious candidate. Oh sure, he's going to campaign and do whatever it is he thinks will get votes but I can't believe when push comes to shove people will vote for him."

Drew, I think you are trying to substantiate your claim by exercising wishful thinking. You and the GOPe have seriously underestimated the attitude of what is left of the GOP's constituency.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 28, 2015 12:19 PM (i0ykY)

30 Not just the GOP, pal.

It's time for both parties to DIAF.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 28, 2015 12:16 PM (rCmeG)

I've had a surprising amount of Democratic voting friends and family tell me they would vote Trump for president.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 28, 2015 12:20 PM (S+el1)

31 >>They refused to even seriously discuss issues such as illegal immigration.

Not true. Jeb is coming out in full throated support of legalization.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 28, 2015 12:20 PM (OGm46)

32 They refused to even seriously discuss issues such as illegal immigration

Their "real" base wants unlimited immigration for cheap labor.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 28, 2015 12:20 PM (GpgJl)

33
Bu -- but Trump's a clown candidate!

*girlish pout*

Posted by: Kevin "D You're a Darling" Williamson

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 28, 2015 12:20 PM (kdS6q)

34
I can't believe when push comes to shove people will vote for him

------------------------------

What the hell are you talking about,, even I'm gonna' vote for the guy...

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at July 28, 2015 12:20 PM (HSmrB)

35 got my shorts and sandals on, headed out to run some errands

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at July 28, 2015 12:21 PM (7RXcs)

36 thankfully neither are getting the nom but a question to ask is which would you hold your nose for: Teh Donald or a Paultard

Posted by: The Dude at July 28, 2015 12:21 PM (SyKbw)

37 Cool, a Trump thread.

"Ready, FIRE, Aim!"

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 28, 2015 12:21 PM (2z4UX)

38 I've had a surprising amount of Democratic voting friends and family tell me they would vote Trump for president.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 28, 2015 12:20 PM

Right now, my vote is Trump's to lose. Sad, but true.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 28, 2015 12:21 PM (rCmeG)

39 Donald Trump.

The Ross Perot of 2016.

I mean, the similarities are crazy. Rich. Self-made. Egotistic. Sets own rules. Says anything they feel like. Not seen as 'serious'.

Will he pull a 'Perot' and pull out, then jump back in?

Posted by: Mr Wolf at July 28, 2015 12:21 PM (cjgnX)

40 "I don't buy the idea that Trump is a serious candidate."

_____________________________________________

You need to pull your head out of the sand. If Republicans don't get their act together concerning illegals then Trump will end up putting a Dem in the WH when he runs third party. People typically not interested in politics are puling for Trump, and I am seeing it in my everyday interactions. Trump is energizing these people like Perot did. And whining about Trump, calling him a clown, and unserious only makes things worse.

Posted by: NotCoach at July 28, 2015 12:22 PM (rsudF)

41
Probably should pay attention to WHAT he's saying that is resonating, rather than concentrating on the messenger.

One or more of the candidates is likely doing just that and is formulating strategy to take advantage of this.

My money is on Walker or Cruz.

Ideas on this?

Posted by: irongrampa at July 28, 2015 12:22 PM (jeCnD)

42 He's rabidly pro-abortion, essentially pro-illegal immigration, and fundamentally pro big-government.

I heard he kicked a puppy once.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 28, 2015 12:22 PM (W5DcG)

43 "

39 Donald Trump.

The Ross Perot of 2016.

I mean, the similarities are crazy. Rich. Self-made. Egotistic. Sets own rules. Says anything they feel like. Not seen as 'serious'.

Will he pull a 'Perot' and pull out, then jump back in?
Posted by: Mr Wolf at July 28, 2015 12:21 PM (cjgnX)"

_____________________________________________

None of that matters unless he gains serious support, and that is exactly what he is doing. Just like Perot he has touched a nerve with many disconnected Americans.

Posted by: NotCoach at July 28, 2015 12:23 PM (rsudF)

44 41
Probably should pay attention to WHAT he's saying that is resonating, rather than concentrating on the messenger.

One or more of the candidates is likely doing just that and is formulating strategy to take advantage of this.

My money is on Walker or Cruz.

Ideas on this?

Posted by: irongrampa at July 28, 2015 12:22 PM (jeCnD)

Well Cruz has taken to calling out the McConnell/Reid co-leadership

Posted by: buzzion at July 28, 2015 12:23 PM (zt+N6)

45 That flaming skull PP video post needs to be pinned to the top.

Fuck Trump. People need to see that shit.

It is time to choose sides.

Posted by: J Anne at July 28, 2015 12:24 PM (5rbdR)

46 Benedict Arnold was also a war hero.

His actions after that though overwrite his previous heroism...just like McCain.

Trump's words could have been better chosen, but McCain is busy, knowingly, trying to destroy America and deserves scorn for it.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 28, 2015 12:24 PM (78TbK)

47 Has Trump been asked, or offered an opinion on the abortion issue since the PP unpleasantness began?

I would be curious if his position has evolved, as they say in the Biz.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 28, 2015 12:24 PM (VPLuQ)

48 The dudes at Ricochet are going to be crying into their Zimas.

Posted by: you shoulda heard Robinson fellate McConnell on this week's podcast at July 28, 2015 12:25 PM (ZtFr+)

49 So if Trump proposed a flat tax and promised to tear down the IRS until no two bricks stood on top of each other, would that help or hurt him?

Posted by: bonhomme at July 28, 2015 12:25 PM (jhqr1)

50 Populism, Nativism and Protectionism. The Trinity of political victory in hard times. If someone credible doesn't pick them up soon, someone unworthy will.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 28, 2015 12:25 PM (evdj2)

51 The American electorate chose Barack Obama twice. They are perfectly capable of electing Donald Trump, Kim Kardashian, Honey Boo-Boo, or even Hilary Clinton or Jeb Bush.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at July 28, 2015 12:25 PM (nFdGS)

52 If Republicans don't get their act together concerning illegals then
Trump will end up putting a Dem in the WH when he runs third party.

Posted by: NotCoach at July 28, 2015 12:22 PM (rsudF)

Pretty sure the GOPe can do that without any help from Trump. It is, after all, what they are good at.

Posted by: Peaches at July 28, 2015 12:25 PM (EgOr3)

53 My money is on Walker or Cruz. Ideas on this? Posted by: irongrampa at July 28, 2015 12:22 PM

That would be a "no." One has shown himself to be a whiny squish when the going gets tough, and the other has done a few good things but somehow doesn't strike me as presidential material.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 28, 2015 12:26 PM (rCmeG)

54 Teh GOPe is going to launch any and all dirty bombs at Trump--sex scandal bomb, rayciss bomb, infidelity bomb, something along those lines, all courtesy of Prince Peinis, Haley Barber, Steve Schmidt, et al.

Posted by: Bwoston Stwong!! at July 28, 2015 12:26 PM (hKyl0)

55 I think anyone that thinks Trump cannot win is really fooling themselves.

This nation just elected TFG twice. (This alone says we are in strange times.)

There is a solid third (or thereabouts) of the nation that is, basically, disenfranchised with no representation in DC.

He says things that people think and he embodies the disgust people feel with DC.

No matter what the MSM says people are fed up with rising prices, a lack of jobs, etc. etc.

Trump may or may not run, but to think he cannot win is just a refusal to realize we are outside the box when it comes to politics.

Posted by: Dandolo at July 28, 2015 12:26 PM (wyI5D)

56 Bu -- but Trump's a clown candidate!

*girlish pout*

Posted by: Kevin "D You're a Darling" Williamson

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 28, 2015 12:20 PM (kdS6q)

Breaking News: Writer beclowns self, writing for a clown publication, acting as the house organ for a clown party, criticizes clown candidate.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 28, 2015 12:26 PM (TOk1P)

57 I know the GOP is getting worried about this and there will be some
movements to exclude him from debates (everyone will have to swear not
to run 3rd party/indy) or keep him off ballots through some rules
machinations.
***
If the GOPe wants to sideline Trump they are going to have to take on the issues he is championing. And so far the GOPe has shown itself more centered on enabling Obama then standing for conservative principles so that is unlikely to happen...

Posted by: 18-1 at July 28, 2015 12:26 PM (78TbK)

58 "Right now, my vote is Trump's to lose. Sad, but true."

So far this political season has been a continually depressing reminder that I really don't have a candidate. Or a party. Or for that matter, a country.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 28, 2015 12:26 PM (noWW6)

59
I think Cruz has started to figure it out. People are tired of being lied to, of being given the perfect "consumer tested" 30 second answer that says actually nothing, leaves grand canyon size wiggle room, commits to nothing.

otoh, whatever, we're doomed, trump is the perfect person to guide our country thru its bankruptcy.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 28, 2015 12:26 PM (ODxAs)

60 Probably should pay attention to WHAT he's saying that is resonating, rather than concentrating on the messenger.

One or more of the candidates is likely doing just that and is formulating strategy to take advantage of this.

My money is on Walker or Cruz.

Ideas on this?
Posted by: irongrampa at July 28, 2015 12:22 PM (jeCnD)

******

Cruz is already taking the cues from the reaction to Trump and calling in fire on McConnell. He is currently my choice, but I could be presuaded to vo with the Donald if it came down to it.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 28, 2015 12:27 PM (cygkw)

61 As we were commenting on the Thread That Never Was, I look upon Trump as possibly the Change Agent which is consumed during the change process of the GOP.

Someone else used a better analogy, along the lines of the first stage of a multi-stage rocket.

It's vital to getting the payload into orbit, even though it never actually makes it there itself.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 28, 2015 12:27 PM (VPLuQ)

62 If we elect him Chancellor we will be able to control him.

Posted by: Von Papen at July 28, 2015 12:27 PM (l3vZN)

63 Probably should pay attention to WHAT he's saying that is resonating, rather than concentrating on the messenger.

GOP cannot do this. One of the messages Trump is gaining support over is anti illegal immigration. GOP's donors want illegal immigration. GOP would tear their own nuts off manually before they went against their donors.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 28, 2015 12:27 PM (jhqr1)

64 But seriously, I won't know how I should feel about this post until I hear what Rick Wilson has to say on the subject.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 28, 2015 12:27 PM (TOk1P)

65
Yeah that Trump is gonna spoil the whole 2016 election for the R's!

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 12:28 PM (h0PFb)

66 47 Has Trump been asked, or offered an opinion on the abortion issue since the PP unpleasantness began?

I would be curious if his position has evolved, as they say in the Biz.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 28, 2015 12:24 PM (VPLuQ)

I know he has talked about it. I think what he had to say is pretty similar to what ace has said about it. But don't quote me on that, because I had heard just a little blurb on the radio.

Posted by: buzzion at July 28, 2015 12:28 PM (zt+N6)

67 If Republicans don't get their act together concerning illegals then Trump will end up putting a Dem in the WH when he runs third party.

If Trump wins or runs strong in Iowa/NH and can beat Jeb in Fla. Trump will be the nominee. Fla is the key and as it stands now the game is rigged to give the nomination to Jeb. If Jeb wins Hillary wins no matter if Trump runs 3rd party or not. I don't believe he will run 3rd party his ego couldn't handle losing the repub nomination and the general.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 28, 2015 12:28 PM (S+el1)

68 There are no good answers here for the GOP but my guess is they will
find away to come up with the worst one possible. That's kind of what
they are best at.
***
The GOPe wants to control Obama's Leviathan. So given the choice between attacking Leviathan or letting the Democrats control it they will choose the latter - after all eventually they'll get a McCain/Romney/GOPer across the finish line...right?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 28, 2015 12:28 PM (78TbK)

69 Trump/Sheen 2016: not just hookers and blow, but the finest hookers and purest blow money can buy!

Posted by: wooga at July 28, 2015 12:28 PM (zHvpi)

70 Trump isn't running to raise his speaking fees or get a TV show (remember he gave one up to do this). He's in this because he's an egomaniac who has nothing better to do with his money and the name recognition he's built up over the years.

-----

This may be true - but I gotta think that Trump also sees a way to cash in on this as well. Its just another way to increase his brand which he will parlay into cash somehow.

Or it could just be an ego thing.

Probably both.

Posted by: SH at July 28, 2015 12:29 PM (gmeXX)

71 "I don't buy the idea that Trump is a serious candidate. Oh sure, he's going to campaign and do whatever it is he thinks will get votes but I can't believe when push comes to shove people will vote for him."

Drew, have you checked who was elected President lately?

Posted by: maddogg at July 28, 2015 12:29 PM (xWW96)

72 Trump has been on every side of almost every issue. I'm old enough to remember when moving to the right on a single issue got you branded as a flip flopper around here.

Strange times indeed.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 28, 2015 12:29 PM (OGm46)

73 **I heard he kicked a puppy once.**

Allow me to retort: Obama ate one.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at July 28, 2015 12:29 PM (MDvKH)

74 "He's rabidly pro-abortion, essentially pro-illegal immigration, and fundamentally pro big-government."

--- So, what, your saying he is the usual GOPe candidate?

Posted by: Mark E at July 28, 2015 12:29 PM (i4eXO)

75
The dudes at Ricochet are going to be crying into their Zimas.

At The National Review, they're muttering darkly into their clarets.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 28, 2015 12:29 PM (kdS6q)

76 Well Cruz has taken to calling out the McConnell/Reid co-leadership

Posted by: buzzion at July 28, 2015 12:23 PM

Yup, he did. After, that is, Hairy and teh Turtle bamboozled, flimflammed and snookered his ass big-time.

Also, he went out fundraising when he could/should have voted against the odious ChoomTrade. And he voted to let Choom Boy have his way on the Iran nuke fiasco.

The boy just ain't too bright when it counts.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 28, 2015 12:29 PM (rCmeG)

77 I didn't think people would actually vote for that empty suit from Chicago, either.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 28, 2015 12:29 PM (oVJmc)

78
Bu -- but Trump's a clown candidate!
***
Speaking of clowns, I hear Trump is polling at 0% in 7 of the 57 states...

Posted by: 18-1 at July 28, 2015 12:30 PM (78TbK)

79 6 Polls will mean something after the summer is over. Everybody is going to the beach and on vacation and nobody is paying attemtion to politics now.

As I keep saying, the reviled "Iowa Straw Poll" would have ended Trumpmentum in its tracks. The people who show up are pretty serious and expect to volunteer for a campaign for the next few months.

Walker and Rand would have done well, Walker because of the local connection and Rand because of his dad's organization.

So all those GOPe'ers who rejoiced that the hicks wouldn't get their little nothing event in silly season, this is what you asked for.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 28, 2015 12:30 PM (JIElb)

80 Has Trump been asked, or offered an opinion on the abortion issue since the PP unpleasantness began?

-----

I think his popularity would shoot through the roof is he came out and said he would put PP out of business. Not just defund them, but put them out of business.

I wouldn't believe it, but it would make him more popular.

Posted by: SH at July 28, 2015 12:30 PM (gmeXX)

81 GOP would tear their own nuts off manually before they went against their donors.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Start the tearing.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 28, 2015 12:31 PM (jTo7g)

82 Trump is the candidate for the "hold my beer, watch this" voter.

Posted by: Book at July 28, 2015 12:31 PM (Kr1sm)

83
People like that he fights, but not him so much.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 28, 2015 12:31 PM (8marX)

84 DIAF GOP

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at July 28, 2015 12:31 PM (zauWW)

85 He's rabidly pro-abortion, essentially pro-illegal immigration, and fundamentally pro big-government.
___
SO maybe this Trump guy isn't all bad?

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at July 28, 2015 12:31 PM (78TbK)

86 "I wouldn't believe it, but it would make him more popular."

It would with me and mine.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 28, 2015 12:32 PM (VPLuQ)

87 TRUMP 2016!!
At this point, what difference does it make??

Posted by: proudvastrightwingconspirator at July 28, 2015 12:32 PM (Z3lhA)

88 I have no problem with Trump in the debates but I also think every participant MUST sign a pledge that if he/she doesn't get the nomination he/she will NOT run as a 3rd party candidate. There is absolutely no reason to promote someone and then have them turn around and stab the party in the back.

Posted by: jack burton at July 28, 2015 12:32 PM (20XS1)

89 Trump is a stand-in for SMOD.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 28, 2015 12:32 PM (oVJmc)

90 there will be some movements to exclude him from debates (everyone will have to swear not to run 3rd party/indy)

I love it when the Republicans start throwing out silly rules! Trump will roll right over for that! He probably won't go public inside of...ohhh...ten seconds with that sort of stupidity!

Bringing Failure Theatre from Congress to the campaign doesn't strike me as a good strategy, but those GOP "leaders" probably know better.

Posted by: Barack "third term" Obama at July 28, 2015 12:32 PM (TxJGV)

91 Heh, SMOD with bad hair.

Posted by: maddogg at July 28, 2015 12:32 PM (xWW96)

92 "GOP would tear their own nuts off manually before they went against their donors."

Those particular organs shriveled away and fell off long ago.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 28, 2015 12:33 PM (noWW6)

93 If we have to get Trump on record to not run 3rd Party, can we at least get all the other candidates, leadership, consultants to go on record that they would support him should he get the nomination? Cause i know for a fact that when these squishes lose..they take their ball and go home!

Posted by: Dede Scozzafava at July 28, 2015 12:33 PM (HxfDZ)

94 "Even if it's just a FU vote aimed at the GOP establishment."

If that is his intent,
BULLSEYE!

Posted by: navybrat at July 28, 2015 12:33 PM (JgC5a)

95 Some of the cuckservative slur slingers on Twitter like him too.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 28, 2015 12:33 PM (8marX)

96 Trump's words could have been better chosen, but McCain is busy, knowingly, trying to destroy America and deserves scorn for it.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 28, 2015 12:24 PM (78TbK)

McCain's a clubby, ring-knocking frat boy. He's was never good enough or smart enough to do things on his own. He'll ingratiate himself with the Washington powers that be. Party and people, matter nothing to that fuckhead.

They are simply means to an end to be discarded whenever possible.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at July 28, 2015 12:34 PM (WnkLN)

97 Any of Trump's business associates coming out for him? Reminds of Gingrich who got no endorsements from any of his former colleagues.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 28, 2015 12:34 PM (KkliO)

98 Or it could just be an ego thing.

Probably both.

Posted by: SH at July 28, 2015 12:29 PM (gmeXX)

Politics is all about ego. None of them are running for nothing more that ego.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 28, 2015 12:34 PM (S+el1)

99 If we have to get Trump on record to not run 3rd
Party, can we at least get all the other candidates, leadership,
consultants to go on record that they would support him should he get
the nomination? Cause i know for a fact that when these squishes
lose..they take their ball and go home!

Posted by: Dede Scozzafava at July 28, 2015 12:33 PM (HxfDZ)
This!! Not that any of their promises amount to a bucket of warm spit, but it would be nice to have it on record.

Posted by: Peaches at July 28, 2015 12:34 PM (EgOr3)

100 There is absolutely no reason to promote someone and then have them turn around and stab the party in the back.

Posted by: jack burton at July 28, 2015 12:32 PM

Your concern is noted.

Yeah, it'd be terrible if someone tried to do more damage to the "Republicans" than the Party Nabobs are doing all on their own....

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 28, 2015 12:34 PM (rCmeG)

101 79 6 Polls will mean something after the summer is over. Everybody is going to the beach and on vacation and nobody is paying attemtion to politics now.

As I keep saying, the reviled "Iowa Straw Poll" would have ended Trumpmentum in its tracks. The people who show up are pretty serious and expect to volunteer for a campaign for the next few months.

Walker and Rand would have done well, Walker because of the local connection and Rand because of his dad's organization.

So all those GOPe'ers who rejoiced that the hicks wouldn't get their little nothing event in silly season, this is what you asked for.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 28, 2015 12:30 PM (JIElb)

And when has the Iowa Straw Poll ever ended the momentum of an unserious candidate before.

Posted by: buzzion at July 28, 2015 12:35 PM (zt+N6)

102 As a card carrying Libertarian, I will vote for Trump.

Hillary voter if it's Jeb.

Posted by: nip at July 28, 2015 12:35 PM (a6Odp)

103 I have no problem with Trump in the debates but I
also think every participant MUST sign a pledge that if he/she doesn't
get the nomination he/she will NOT run as a 3rd party candidate. There
is absolutely no reason to promote someone and then have them turn
around and stab the party in the back.

Posted by: jack burton at July 28, 2015 12:32 PM (20XS1)

Or here's another idea: how about not having the whole debate thing controlled by media outlets that actively and openly hold the entire party in contempt, and always have.

Start there. Then we'll talk about whether the Party deserves any sort of loyalty.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 28, 2015 12:35 PM (TOk1P)

104 "Bu -- but Trump's a clown candidate!"

They're all clowns. Hillary is a clown. Jeb's a clown. Christie is a clown. Biden's a clown.

It's not a specifically negative moniker anymore.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 28, 2015 12:35 PM (LA7Cm)

105 Just imagine a Candidate who develops a contract with the American people.

A Candidate who says something like :

I'm not interested in what Congress says they can and can't do. This is my promise to you, the people of this great Nation. If I fail to keep any of the following promises, I ask you, no...I demand that you, the Citizens instruct the Congress to impeach me, and remove me from office.

And then the list......

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 28, 2015 12:35 PM (VPLuQ)

106 Are you forgetting that Cruz met with Trump privately in NY a couple of weeks ago? Cruz's appeal is very similar to Trump's appeal- be bold enough to stand up to Democrats AND your own party. I think Cruz is smart enough to know how to leverage this. A Cruz/Trump ticket wouldn't surprise me. And yes, it would be a middle finger vote to the GOP establishment for me.

Posted by: parteagirl at July 28, 2015 12:35 PM (Plx/u)

107 I'm not at all excited for Trump as president, but if he were elected, it wouldn't piss me off, if only for the kick in the nads it would give the GOP.

I think we need a leader with strong principles right now, so my first choice (now) is Cruz.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at July 28, 2015 12:35 PM (BZAd3)

108 he/she will NOT run as a 3rd party candidate

That's just unreasonable.

Posted by: SpongeBobMoocowski at July 28, 2015 12:36 PM (zauWW)

109 "There are no good answers here for the GOP but my guess is they will
find away to come up with the worst one possible. That's kind of what
they are best at."

Fking up a wet dream. Absolutely.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at July 28, 2015 12:36 PM (DlmoZ)

110 turn around and stab the party in the back.

You mean like what the party has done to the base over and over again?

Posted by: wrg500 at July 28, 2015 12:36 PM (S+el1)

111 There is absolutely no reason to promote someone and then have them turn around and stab the party in the back.
Posted by: jack burton at July 28, 2015 12:32 PM (20XS1)

Heh.................

Posted by: Juan McCain at July 28, 2015 12:36 PM (WnkLN)

112 A Cruz/Trump ticket wouldn't surprise me.

------

Really, I would find that very surprising.

Posted by: SH at July 28, 2015 12:36 PM (gmeXX)

113 Any of Trump's business associates coming out for him? Reminds of
Gingrich who got no endorsements from any of his former colleagues.

I heard his ex-wife endorsed him. That has to count for something.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 28, 2015 12:36 PM (oVJmc)

114 I don't believe Trump is doing it for ego. Running a campaign for POTUS is exhausting and grueling not to mention incredibly expensive. That would require an ego the size of Jupiter.

Posted by: maddogg at July 28, 2015 12:36 PM (xWW96)

115 There are no good answers here for the GOP

Well, there is one. They could put up a candidate whose ideas and policies appeal to their base. One who will fight against the left instead of joining them.

I know, I know. That's just crazy talk.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at July 28, 2015 12:37 PM (IN7k+)

116
Breaking News: Writer beclowns self, writing for a clown publication, acting as the house organ for a clown party, criticizes clown candidate.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 28, 2015 12:26 PM (TOk1P)

Yeah, something tastes funny about NR's latest direction.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 28, 2015 12:37 PM (VbHFl)

117 Interestinlgy, after the "rape" allegation from his divorce was dredged up after a couple of decades, who should come out to help him squash it but Ivana herself?

Trump is not my guy. But he's a baller.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 28, 2015 12:37 PM (wtvvX)

118 "Really, I would find that very surprising."

Me too.
Trump doesn't do "Vice" in any power structure

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 28, 2015 12:38 PM (VPLuQ)

119 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 28, 2015 12:38 PM (kff5f)

120
Oh, our "Trump is a Rapist" meme didn't take?

Poo.

Posted by: A Metric Sh1t-tonne of GOP Scribblers

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 28, 2015 12:38 PM (kdS6q)

121 I love it when the Republicans start throwing out
silly rules! Trump will roll right over for that! He probably won't
go public inside of...ohhh...ten seconds with that sort of stupidity!

Bringing Failure Theatre from Congress to the campaign doesn't
strike me as a good strategy, but those GOP "leaders" probably know
better.

Posted by: Barack "third term" Obama at July 28, 2015 12:32 PM (TxJGV)

Sure, I signed your silly document. Funny thing though... it was never notarized.

Posted by: Lucy Van Trump at July 28, 2015 12:38 PM (TOk1P)

122 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 28, 2015 12:38 PM (kff5f)

123
turn around and stab the party in the back.
___
So, we didn't actually use a knife, and we are aiming a little lower then your back.

Now remember folks its either this or the Hillary Monster under your bed....!

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at July 28, 2015 12:38 PM (78TbK)

124 "Someone else used a better analogy, along the lines of the first stage of a multi-stage rocket. It's vital to getting the payload into orbit, even though it never actually makes it there itself."

My first stage will be like nothing you've ever seen! It'll be yuuuuuge. It's going to go all the way to Venus and back all on its own! Multiple stages are just a cover for people who have no experience getting the job done in the real world.

Posted by: Donald Trump at July 28, 2015 12:38 PM (noWW6)

125 I heard his ex-wife endorsed him. That has to count for something. Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 28, 2015 12:36 PM

Shit, if I ran for office, my ex-wife wouldn't endorse ME!

Nor would a whole boatload of ex-girlfriends, for that matter.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 28, 2015 12:38 PM (rCmeG)

126 I don't believe Trump is doing it for ego. Running a campaign for POTUS
is exhausting and grueling not to mention incredibly expensive. That
would require an ego the size of Jupiter.

I'm renaming it "Planet Trump."

Posted by: Teh Donald at July 28, 2015 12:38 PM (oVJmc)

127 Where did it go?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 28, 2015 12:39 PM (81UWZ)

128 >>I don't believe Trump is doing it for ego. Running a campaign for POTUS is exhausting and grueling not to mention incredibly expensive. That would require an ego the size of Jupiter.

The Donald would consider it an insult to have his ego compared to the size of Jupiter. The universe is more like it.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 28, 2015 12:39 PM (OGm46)

129 Whoa. It's been disappeared.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 28, 2015 12:39 PM (/kI1Q)

130
What happened here?

Posted by: irongrampa at July 28, 2015 12:40 PM (jeCnD)

131 "...but I can't believe when push comes to shove people will vote for him."

I'm not so sure. Can anybody say "governor Jessie 'The Body' Ventura."

Posted by: CCD at July 28, 2015 12:41 PM (psx3q)

132
What happened to the comments?

Posted by: irongrampa at July 28, 2015 12:41 PM (jeCnD)

133 Yes, you should recite the Ten Commandments in the proper order.

Posted by: DM at July 28, 2015 12:42 PM (I8XPw)

134 I don't like him anyway, but I think his trashing Walker the other day by saying Wisconsin is a disaster area was a shitty thing to do. By doing that he's trashing the conservative principles that are helping red states prosper.

Posted by: stace: SMOD/Cascadia Subduction Zone 2016 at July 28, 2015 12:44 PM (CoX6k)

135 Thank goodness. The voices, they've stopped.

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at July 28, 2015 12:45 PM (uPxUo)

136 Ted Cruz's blast at the establishment last week really re-invigorated my interest in him. They were the comments of a bold man with true understanding and experience. Trump makes salient ranty observations, but Cruz knows where the bodies are buried, and doesn't hesitate to point it out.

If you haven't seen this, go take a look. If you get impatient, then FF to 8:10 where he really gets hot:

http://tinyurl.com/nowccj7

Posted by: mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 28, 2015 12:45 PM (9mTYi)

137 HIJACKING the GOP

This is getting seriously fun and amusing..
Trump took a page from the lefty playbook..
You see back in the day G%D made a covenant with his people that he would not destroy the earth by a great flood..
That is why we know that despite our pledge by our leader that he will make the oceans recede and there will be peace upon the land is an inside joke by a joker,
He will not have anything to do with controlling the ocean level,
That covenant was a Rainbow which was hijacked by the Geh establishment, kinda capture the Christian flag for nefarious purpose.
This example variables on and on in the theater of politics.
There are no fairies except Reggie
There are no affordable care in US except for our leaders.
There is no immigration enforcement except in neighborhoods occupied by the elite.

Posted by: Lucky Gunner at July 28, 2015 12:45 PM (/WmRg)

138

Welcome to TheMaryCeleste.com

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 28, 2015 12:47 PM (kdS6q)

139 Sock off

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at July 28, 2015 12:48 PM (zauWW)

140 Yes, Trump is a mutt. No doubt about that - a narcissistic publicity hound.

Oh, wait! We've already got one of those in the White House!

But here's my deal: if the GOP ends up nominating a RINO like Jeb et. al., I'm sitting this one out. Voting for a RINO is the moral and practical equivalent of voting for Hildebeest or any other Dem.

So the GOP better get itself in gear. Put up a Cruz or a Walker - a serious contender who taps into the anger the GOP's conservative base like Trump does.

Otherwise, I and millions of my compatriots will be staying home in the next general election. If a Dem wins the next eight years, so be it.

Maybe it's time to burn this house down. If that happens, it'll be the GOP's fault - not mine or the millions of other disaffected voters who feel the same way.

Posted by: The Original Budman at July 28, 2015 12:49 PM (0h3HM)

141 I'm back, baby!

Posted by: The Donald at July 28, 2015 12:49 PM (LA7Cm)

142
In before the nattering nabobs of negativity

Negativism.

Sorry, but it's a quote William Safire wrote for Spiro Agnew and I'm a dick about these things.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 28, 2015 12:50 PM (JtwS4)

143 They're back, the voices.

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at July 28, 2015 12:50 PM (uPxUo)

144 Why don't the GOP higher ups love the guy?
And why do the rank and file not hate him?

-----

Ask Gabe. He knows.

Posted by: SH at July 28, 2015 12:50 PM (gmeXX)

145 OT:

This isn't surprising, but it is very telling-

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-secretly-met-with-obama-worked-in-concert-with-white-house/

*clown nose on*

So, John Stewart was in essence Obama's Joseph Goebbels.

*makes weird surprised face*

*clown nose off*

Posted by: naturalfake at July 28, 2015 12:50 PM (KUa85)

146 That was a strange trip, and suddenly we are back.

Posted by: TBD at July 28, 2015 12:50 PM (L6DSu)

147 Once again: he's about the perfect Burn it Down candidate.

The DOPe doesn't like him because he's not "of the body." The fact his positions are more-or-less exactly theirs (with the exception of immigration) is immaterial- he's a barbarian.

The grass roots "like" him not because he's liked, or because his positions are liked, but because he's a thumb in the eye of the DOPe.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 28, 2015 12:50 PM (kff5f)

148 It's baaaaack.

Posted by: mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 28, 2015 12:51 PM (9mTYi)

149 Clearly, gentlemen, the answer to our dilemma is to gene-splice the "fuck-youedness" of Trump into the DNA of a true conservative...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 28, 2015 12:52 PM (wtvvX)

150 Hmmm...I wonder what this other knob does?

Posted by: TBD at July 28, 2015 12:53 PM (L6DSu)

151 Face it--

That the Elites hate him is the reason we don't.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 28, 2015 12:53 PM (oVJmc)

152 "fuck-youedness" of Trump into the DNA of a true conservative...

Allen West?

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at July 28, 2015 12:53 PM (zauWW)

153 what what?

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 28, 2015 12:53 PM (0O7c5)

154 Somewhere...is there a COB who wants to timidly say " OOPs, my bad"?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 28, 2015 12:54 PM (VPLuQ)

155 trump is rabidly pro abortion?....no one remembers his touching change of heart? hmmmm

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 28, 2015 12:54 PM (0O7c5)

156 well, the GOPe *should* be worried.

i found this on an obscure blog, but it lays out the problem perfectly.

;-)

increasinglyuncommoncommonsense. blogspot.com/2015/07/ a-memo-from-conservatives-to-gop.html

mind the spaces.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 28, 2015 12:55 PM (RiMtm)

157 Trump is threatening the GOPe's script of giving Jebby Myturn the nomination.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 28, 2015 12:55 PM (zt+N6)

158 One advantage, and it's a big one, he has over the flavor of the month candidates last time (like Bachmann and Cain) is there's nothing that can come out about him that would make people say, "oh no, that's beyond the pale in terms of charachter or temperament".

5 He's rabidly pro-abortion, essentially pro-illegal immigration, and fundamentally pro big-government.
Why don't the GOP higher ups love the guy?
And why do the rank and file not hate him?

What kind of topsy turvy world is this?
Posted by: matthew at July 28, 2015 12:12 PM (Z/WIA)

Okay, so, here's a possibility. And I'm just spitballin' here...

He's our Bill Clinton.

Except he's exactly like Bill Clinton--Personality-wise, political positions, personal relationships--only if, after Whitewater, Bill Clinton decided to stick with real estate instead of going into politics.

Posted by: AD at July 28, 2015 12:55 PM (s4wTA)

159 "fuck-youedness" of Trump into the DNA of a true conservative...

Allen West?

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at July 28, 2015 12:53 PM (zauWW)

Unfortunately, the "fuck-youedness" comes from wealth. You need someone like the Kochs to run for office. And I suspect we wouldn't like their ideas on immigration (just suspicion- no knowledge there).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 28, 2015 12:55 PM (kff5f)

160 When did Trump ever claim to be rabidly pro-abortion? I thought he was opposed to abortion personally, but okay with pro-choice legally.

That translates to pro-abortion, but not rabidly.

Posted by: Old Hob at July 28, 2015 12:55 PM (ZufZo)

161 61: "It's vital to getting the payload into orbit, even though it never actually makes it there itself."

Much like Moses, neh?

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at July 28, 2015 12:56 PM (UPYPp)

162 I don't like Trump, but I'd support him before I'd support Jeb Bush or any of these other amnesty pimps, if only because Trump has had the balls to speak out against the staggering rates of illegal aliens' crimes in the U.S.

Jeb Bush and his wife can be as proud to be Mexicans as they please, but do it while running for President of Mexico, not President of the United States.

This isn't northern Mexico yet, despite Obama's best efforts to make it so.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 28, 2015 12:56 PM (kGrdk)

163 http://tinyurl.com/pxjghe6 trump on abortion.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 28, 2015 12:56 PM (0O7c5)

164 There's no explaining it! Its a TRUMPNADO!!!

Posted by: The Donald at July 28, 2015 12:56 PM (BjKDP)

165 That the Elites hate him is the reason we don't. Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 28, 2015 12:53 PM

Doesn't bother me at all. When I have a choice between supporting a guy I really don't like who tells the truth and a guy (or woman) who has been massaged by political consultants into a blob of quivering gelatin, I'll take the guy I don't like.

Right now, one or two of the "mainstream" candidates could rehab themselves in my eyes if they actually showed a little sense, courage and honesty, but that window is closing fast, without any looking like they will grow a pair anytime soon.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 28, 2015 12:56 PM (rCmeG)

166 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember seeing where Trump has divested himself of all of his stock holdings to avoid any chances of conflict of interest. That doesn't strike me as the action of a vanity candidate.

Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at July 28, 2015 12:57 PM (Nj2wY)

167
That time machine that Teh Ewok totally doesn't have seems to be working overtime.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 28, 2015 12:58 PM (VbHFl)

168 So, John Stewart was in essence Obama's Joseph Goebbels.

Without the decency to off himself at the end of the regime.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 28, 2015 12:58 PM (/kI1Q)

169 mr. scribbler

yep...i'll take the truth over the lie any day of the week

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 28, 2015 12:58 PM (0O7c5)

170 "Much like Moses, neh?"

In a way...yes.

Or the old "Always the Bridesmaid, never the Bride" kinda works.

But Moses is better.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 28, 2015 12:58 PM (VPLuQ)

171 162
I don't like Trump, but I'd support him before I'd support Jeb Bush or
any of these other amnesty pimps, if only because Trump has had the
balls to speak out against the staggering rates of illegal aliens'
crimes in the U.S.

Jeb Bush and his wife can be as proud to be Mexicans as they please,
but do it while running for President of Mexico, not President of the
United States.

This isn't northern Mexico yet, despite Obama's best efforts to make it so.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 28, 2015 12:56 PM (kGrdk)

Well we have Phoenix.

Posted by: La Raza at July 28, 2015 12:58 PM (BjKDP)

172 "This thread is going to be raped by someone."

Trump
2016

Posted by: prescient11 at July 28, 2015 12:59 PM (q5APL)

173 "So, John Stewart was in essence Obama's Joseph Goebbels."

That smarmy little bastard.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 28, 2015 12:59 PM (LA7Cm)

174 if only because Trump has had the balls to speak out against the staggering rates of illegal aliens' crimes in the U.S.

And there's a lot of that sentiment out there.

Trump is not running as anti-immigrant. In fact, his proposed "solution" is basically "amnesty for some, just not all."

He's running (oddly enough) as the law-and-order candidate. Opposed to illegal immigration because it is illegal, and a disproportionate number of illegals commit other, more violent crimes as well.

The DOPe went nuts when he called out illegals as murdering rapists because that hurts the COC narrative of "just looking for opportunity" and "act of love." Much like these PP videos completely destroy the ability of people to pretend it's "just a clump of cells," having someone the media can't/won't ignore saying "Illegals commit an out-sized number of rapes and murders" makes it much harder to pretend that illegal immigration doesn't hurt people.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 28, 2015 01:00 PM (kff5f)

175 "http://tinyurl.com/pxjghe6 trump on abortion....."

Alrighty then...
Anybody have anything more recent which negates this?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 28, 2015 01:00 PM (VPLuQ)

176 Too many people confuse bombast and ranting as "truth-telling" and "honesty." Trump does plenty of ignorant running of his mouth and marginally-informed people enjoy the show.

America is currently suffering through one extreme narcissist who is trying to work out his massive inferiority complex and daddy issues by sitting behind the Resolute Desk. We don't need another.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 28, 2015 01:00 PM (ljZD2)

177 I will say that the only people I know on a personal level who are jazzed about the Trump candidacy are either Democrats who never vote, LIV's who vote but have no clue what they are voting for, and people who hate the media.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 28, 2015 01:01 PM (qPVpN)

178 I get people's hatred of the establishment and that Trump can be useful. I think he's done a couple things that are useful.

I just think this is like the mafia trying to use the Joker to advance their cause in The Dark Knight. He has his own agenda, and we don't know what we're getting ourselves into.

Posted by: AD at July 28, 2015 01:01 PM (s4wTA)

179 With all the maneuvering, my selection is somewhat fluid at this time. If the election were today, I'd vote for President Cruz.

But if that were not an option, I'd pull the lever for Trump, and then walk out of the polling station with a gleeful glare whilst reaching for my zippo.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at July 28, 2015 01:01 PM (UPYPp)

180 "So, John Stewart was in essence Obama's Joseph Goebbels."

That's unfair to Goebbels, who worked openly for Hitler.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 28, 2015 01:01 PM (oVJmc)

181 anna!!!!!! are you around?????? message me on f/b

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 28, 2015 01:01 PM (0O7c5)

182 If I could interrupt the Trump comments for a moment...

Carly Fiorina spoke at the Reagan Library on the 27th. The text of her speech, along with an accompanying video, can be found over at the IBD website.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/pxonreg

It's a very long speech, but well worth the read, imo. You could listen to it... but it runs for just over half an hour on the video.

There was also a long question and answer session after the speech. Unfortunately, it's only available on the video. It starts at the 36 minute mark.

Posted by: junior at July 28, 2015 01:03 PM (3m3mw)

183 So, John Stewart was in essence Obama's Joseph Goebbels.

Without the decency to off himself at the end of the regime.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 28, 2015 12:58 PM (/kI1Q)
______________________

There's still time!

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 28, 2015 01:03 PM (kGrdk)

184 My, but this Trump fellow is giving the GOP a bad name.

Posted by: Thad Cochran at July 28, 2015 01:03 PM (8ZskC)

185 A guy named Weirddave remarked on this phenomenon once.

Once.

http://tinyurl.com/nw3lsz4

Posted by: some random meathead at July 28, 2015 01:03 PM (QuNQQ)

186 I have no idea if Trump agrees with my viewpoints or not. I do know he is calling out the frauds and phony's running for office or already in office. He's being honest about what he thinks about the people who want to lord over us. Refreshing.

Second I have no doubt that Trump, an opportunist of the first rank, loves America and knows what's good for economic growth. We've had economic illiterates in the WH for decades, since Reagan. Refreshing.

With Trump you know he has no agenda other than Trump. Can you say the same about any of the rest running in the GOP? Certainly Obama to this day has shady and shadowy backers the country still can't identify.

Posted by: changey at July 28, 2015 01:03 PM (eOdp2)

187 Folks, this country is being swarmed each year by millions of undocumented democrats and documented democrats.

And you want to mince fucking words on trump's Kelo position???

Are you fucking joking me? Let me make this as clear as I can - you will be raped with Kelo as the warm up act compared to what the progs are going to do once they have total demographic control.

Trump's election promise is the one and only chance to stop this and at least pause this immigration insanity for a bit. People feel it and they know it, even on the left.

He literally could run on this one issue and win. If we do not stop this madness, we are fucking done as a first world country.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 28, 2015 01:03 PM (q5APL)

188 Orrin Hatch was scolding Cruz about decorum on the Senate floor yesterday after Cruz's speech re: McConnell. Hatch was trying to act like they were men of honor (I laughed) and made a pointed remark about lack of decorum in the campaign rhetoric aimed at Trump. At least he's pissing off some of the right people.

Posted by: Cheri at July 28, 2015 01:03 PM (oiNtH)

189 88: "There is absolutely no reason to promote someone and then have them turn around and stab the party in the back."

Heh. Ha ha. Bwaahahahahahahahahahaa!!!

Seriously though. Stab the PARTY in the back?

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at July 28, 2015 01:03 PM (UPYPp)

190 I hate to say it, but Cruz--despite his brilliant intellect--is un-electable. And looking like a young "Grandpa" Al Lewis won't help.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 28, 2015 01:03 PM (qPVpN)

191 Related - A fine article at Taki: "Leftist Legal Fictions and the Atheists Who Love Them"
http://preview.tinyurl.com/nck2phu

Posted by: mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 28, 2015 01:04 PM (9mTYi)

192 Trump in 2000 said he was pro-choice, but uncomfortable with the procedures. He said he would ban partial birth abortion. That sounds like a man sitting on the fence, long before he ran for president.

Thanks to phoenixgirl for the link.

Posted by: Old Hob at July 28, 2015 01:04 PM (ZufZo)

193 167
That time machine that Teh Ewok totally doesn't have seems to be working overtime.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 28, 2015 12:58 PM (VbHFl)

Maybe he stepped on a butterfly somewhere back there. That would explain a few things.

Posted by: AD at July 28, 2015 01:04 PM (s4wTA)

194
I find it funny that what made him recently popular was his stance on immigration purportedly to stop illegal immigration, yet he later clarified some is a-ok, you know, based on merit or something.

He will continue what is going on right now.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 28, 2015 01:04 PM (ODxAs)

195 My, but this Trump fellow is giving the GOP a bad name.

I'll say he is!

Posted by: Dede Scozzafava at July 28, 2015 01:04 PM (8ZskC)

196
Massage me, too, please.

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 01:04 PM (h0PFb)

197 I don't like Trump anyway, but I think his trashing Walker the other day by saying Wisconsin is a disaster area was a shitty thing to do. By doing that he's trashing the conservative principles that are helping red states do better than blue states.

Posted by: stace: SMOD/Cascadia Subduction Zone 2016 at July 28, 2015 01:04 PM (CoX6k)

198 If anyone hasn't noticed the Drudge and WZ articles about Baraka commenting about being able to win a third term, need to take a look at them.

Many of us knew that this was going to happen. Watch this idea start to grow.

Posted by: Soona at July 28, 2015 01:04 PM (P25Hh)

199
Ever wonder why the name Cecil went out of fashion?

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 01:05 PM (h0PFb)

200 Trump's support is holding for one very good reason. LIV's aside, people who have a serious grasp of politics know Trump's flaws, but Trump is saying the right things in the right way - the things that everyone else wishes THEIR candidate would say. Trump may not have core beliefs that match ours, but his is demogogue enough and showman enough to know how to get the crowd moving with him.

If the "serious" candidates - and in the interests of full disclosure, mine is Cruz, but there are several others I like well enough to support - were doing what Trump is doing, then Trump's supporters would jump ship. In that sense, he's very much like Ron Paul. Paul is a head case, but as a candidate, about sixty percent of what he says was stuff that GOP voters wished their frontrunners would say, and say passionately.

For that reason, I'm glad he's in the race - for now. His presence forces (or should be forcing) the other candidates to speak up and compete with him. Trump is giving voters some red meat, and voters have realized that we're living in days where tofu and quinoa won't help. Turning this country back from the brink is going to require red meat.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at July 28, 2015 01:06 PM (iIzG7)

201
is Mort Kondracke still alive?

He's an arse,

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 01:06 PM (h0PFb)

202 2 questions:

Who's your guy, trumpetdaddy?

Does the GOP/e shill business pay well?

Posted by: some random meathead at July 28, 2015 01:07 PM (QuNQQ)

203 Related - A fine article at Taki: "Leftist Legal Fictions and the Atheists Who Love Them"

That's a good one.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 28, 2015 01:07 PM (/kI1Q)

204 Could it be possible that Trump is running because he truly loves America and sees the country spiraling into a hellhole???

The guy has always been interested in politics. Why in the fuck are we always putting bad motives on people.

What about Rand Paul or Ted Cruz, are they also shallow, ego maniacs????

Come on.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 28, 2015 01:07 PM (q5APL)

205 Too many people confuse bombast and ranting as "truth-telling" and "honesty." Trump does plenty of ignorant running of his mouth and marginally-informed people enjoy the show.

Tell me what he has said that is wrong.

America is currently suffering through one extreme narcissist who is trying to work out his massive inferiority complex and daddy issues by sitting behind the Resolute Desk. We don't need another.

Give me a better option among the current candidates.

Whatever we may think of Perry or Walker or Cruz- none of them are going anywhere right now. Perry couldn't get oxygen with a CPAP, Walker is about as exciting as a snail race, and Cruz... is a mixed bag.

Jeb? Don't get me started.
Christie? Not any better.
Rubio? Also not any better.

On top of all of that is the behavior of the Republican Congress- we couldn't pass an amendment repealing ObamaCare or defunding Planned Parenthood, but we can push through an 11th hour amendment re-chartering the Ex/Im Bank?

If this is what the Republican Party is about in 2015 - then burn it the f*ck down.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 28, 2015 01:08 PM (kff5f)

206 At fifteen months before the election, 95% of the Amurican people have no interest in politics not in any of the candidates . Trump has great name ID and the network and cable news keep giving him publicity. No one has asked him tough questions except on immigration and his response on that just gets Him more publicity and more support. The media is appalled by what he says but it appeals to a lot of people. Let him start having to answer questions on Iran, PPA , or funding Ex IM and social security and then watch his poll numbers.
For the same reason that Trump polls so well now, the polls for Hilary are disastrous.
I seriously think Trymp is working for the Clintons.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at July 28, 2015 01:08 PM (m9wWJ)

207 180 "So, John Stewart was in essence Obama's Joseph Goebbels."

That's unfair to Goebbels, who worked openly for Hitler.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 28, 2015 01:01 PM (oVJmc)
___________________________

Good point.

Pretty sad when a Jew is clearly less honorable than Josef Goebbels.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 28, 2015 01:08 PM (kGrdk)

208 I'm getting tired of all the Trump talk.
I suppose that's the point of the MSM flood-the-zone coverage, though, isn't it?

They did the same thing w/Palin - the tabloidization of a candidate - give the pubic a Kardashian-like fatigue of their target.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 28, 2015 01:08 PM (NOIQH)

209 Run a Moron Nation Straw Pole.

Hillery Dem
Jeb GOP
Trump Indy

If that's all you have to pick from, how will you vote?

Posted by: Paladin at July 28, 2015 01:08 PM (ycm4Q)

210 Name your candidate , trumpetdaddy.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 28, 2015 01:09 PM (QuNQQ)

211 ""http://tinyurl.com/pxjghe6 trump on abortion....."

Alrighty then...
Anybody have anything more recent which negates this?"

Not exactly negating it, but a good site that has detailed explanations of their ratings etc. Similar to the site you posted in concept, but I've been really impressed with this one from a conservative standpoint:

http://tinyurl.com/o6olkao

(https://www.conservativereview.com)

Posted by: thecoat at July 28, 2015 01:09 PM (j3QJG)

212

Little strumpet is here?

He's another one like packsoldier.

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 01:09 PM (h0PFb)

213 Now is the summer of our discontent...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at July 28, 2015 01:09 PM (V1M8q)

214 >>"So, John Stewart was in essence Obama's Joseph Goebbels."

Huh, I was thinking more along the lines of Court Jester.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 28, 2015 01:09 PM (NOIQH)

215 "I don't like Trump anyway, but I think his trashing Walker the other day
by saying Wisconsin is a disaster area was a shitty thing to do."

More than that, it was straight-up lies. PolitiFact WI, no friend to Scott Walker, today tore apart Trump's bullshit about the budgeting process in Wisconsin. Basically, they said he either doesn't understand state budgeting, or he's lying. My bet is both.

Walker is playing the Trump bullshit the same way he does everybody else's bullshit. By staying on-message relentlessly. I liked how he noted that these same bullshit lies were spread against him by the Burke campaign last year and voters didn't buy them then, either.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 28, 2015 01:10 PM (ljZD2)

216 No one seems to be talking about the book Trump published before the 2012 election. In it, he outlines his ideas and thoughts on everything from taxes to foreign policy. Those who think he is helping Hillary should read the book. It doesn't read like a democrat treatise. Why would he have taken the time to write and research this book if he secretly was supporting Hillary for her future 2016 run for the presidency?

I just got my copy in the mail the other day (used on Amazon...it was really cheap) and am starting to go through it. I would behoove some of you to do the same.

Posted by: KG at July 28, 2015 01:11 PM (EDOOV)

217 If anyone hasn't noticed the Drudge and WZ articles about Baraka commenting about being able to win a third term, need to take a look at them.

Many of us knew that this was going to happen. Watch this idea start to grow.
______________________

Part of me almost wishes he would try it. At least then there would be clear battle lines, and no more doubts about whether the inevitable bloodshed would be morally justifiable.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 28, 2015 01:11 PM (kGrdk)

218 We'll see what kind of momentum Trump has (or anyone else, really) in about seven months. Until then I'm not going to get excited or agitated about any of this.

Saves a lot on the old "bitter tears" formula shampoo.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Sound Less Rage-Crazy, Get Quality Euphemisms at the Outrage Outlet! at July 28, 2015 01:11 PM (hLRSq)

219 Moron Nation Straw Pole.

Dancers or cars? I pick cars.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 28, 2015 01:12 PM (/kI1Q)

220 I hate to say it, but Cruz--despite his brilliant intellect--is un-electable. And looking like a young "Grandpa" Al Lewis won't help.
Posted by: JoeF
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I am inclined to agree with you, but the guy is inside the machine and is experienced with how it works, for better or worse. Trump is standing outside of it just throwing bombs.

To my knowledge no insider, with a LOT to lose, as spoken as forthrightly as Cruz did last week. Candidate or no, electable or not, what he said was worth a thousand Trump-et blasts. If I had my way, I would ask every sitting Republican to reply to Cruz's comments. There would be a lot of stuttering.

McConnell must be furious. Cruz has placed his neck on the GOPe block, Trump takes no risk at all. We ought to pay attention.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 28, 2015 01:12 PM (9mTYi)

221 Who's your candidate , trumpetdaddy? And what is his stance on illegal immigration?

Posted by: some random meathead at July 28, 2015 01:12 PM (QuNQQ)

222 Rustytrombonedaddy probably doesn't have a candidate because that's not in his list of talking points.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 28, 2015 01:12 PM (zt+N6)

223
Trump is a Hillary supporter.

He is also pro-abortion. See PP video below.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 28, 2015 01:12 PM (ODxAs)

224 No backlash against Trump over the McCain remarks because we are tired of him calling us Wacko Birds.

Posted by: maddogg at July 28, 2015 01:12 PM (xWW96)

225 If anyone is going to get a 3rd term it better be Eisenhower.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at July 28, 2015 01:13 PM (zauWW)

226 Hillery Dem
Jeb GOP
Trump Indy

If that's all you have to pick from, how will you vote?
__________________

1. Trump Indy
2. Hillary
3. Write in Donald Duck

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 28, 2015 01:13 PM (kGrdk)

227 Seriously who thinks Trump is a shill for the Clintons? For anybody?
Trump is for Trump every second of his life. That alone makes him the most honest candidate we've had in decades. Plus he's honest about the damage illegals, backed by the Mexican govt, is doing to America. That alone is worth a vote.

Posted by: changey at July 28, 2015 01:13 PM (eOdp2)

228 Trump is a Hillary supporter.

He is also pro-abortion. See PP video below.

Interesting. I am not sold on Trump but there is no need to lie.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 28, 2015 01:13 PM (QuNQQ)

229 To answer Matthew's question:

Illegal immigration is an issue where basically the entire GOP establishment is for amnesty. Trump is against amnesty (well for the most part he says he is). And after 20 years of the GOP doing jack shit about illegals, Trump has hit a chord that resonates with people and they are willing to overlook everything else about him.

Conversely the GOPe sees amnesty as the #1 issue (since it is the stupid party after all) and anyone who gets in the way is enemy #1.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at July 28, 2015 01:14 PM (0LHZx)

230 What about Rand Paul or Ted Cruz, are they also shallow, ego maniacs????

Ah, yes. They all are.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 28, 2015 01:14 PM (S+el1)

231 Trump is the middle finger to career politicians. I think if you look at a poll of the least trusted careers, politicians rank somewhere in between herpes encrusted crack whores and IRS employees. He also fights back - another middle finger to those that attack him such as Mc Cain, Ms. Lindsey, Telemundo, etc. I personally think he is more liberal than he may let on at this point and with the exception of a Guilliani, anyone out of NYC is pretty liberal.

Posted by: Cheri at July 28, 2015 01:14 PM (oiNtH)

232 "If that's all you have to pick from, how will you vote?"

I'd be torn somewhere between pulling the handle for Trump, if for no other reason than to give the finger to the GOP establishment, or throwing up my hands and heading for the high country. Or both.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at July 28, 2015 01:16 PM (iIzG7)

233 Look, if you really believe Trump is an honest man who tells it like is, you have to believe him when in 2004 he said he identified more with the Democratic Party.

Posted by: AD at July 28, 2015 01:16 PM (s4wTA)

234 Cheri....exactly. Who is paying attention now? GOP base.
Who is looking to Tar and Feather GOP elites? GOP base.

Trump is their trumpet.

Posted by: changey at July 28, 2015 01:17 PM (eOdp2)

235 >>Conversely the GOPe sees amnesty as the #1 issue (since it is the stupid party after all) and anyone who gets in the way is enemy #1.

Which is why they are such fools: they are signing their own death certificate.

http://neoneocon.com/2015/07/27/true-blue-virginia-and-then-theres-florida/

Posted by: Lizzy at July 28, 2015 01:17 PM (NOIQH)

236 ----To my knowledge no insider, with a LOT to lose, as spoken as forthrightly as Cruz did last week. Candidate or no, electable or not, what he said was worth a thousand Trump-et blasts. If I had my way, I would ask every sitting Republican to reply to Cruz's comments. There would be a lot of stuttering. Posted by Mike Hammer.

This. Make them own it one way or the other.

Posted by: Cheri at July 28, 2015 01:17 PM (oiNtH)

237 Trump has always stated that he hates abortion, that he abhors the very topic, but in 2000 I think said that he was prochoice, i.e., not his call.

As far as his healthcare position, I've never seen the actual quote so I'm very skeptical of the Canadian-style hit pieces that are always found on the GOPe.

What I do know is what he's said in interviews, which is that we have to take care of our sick people and make sure that they can see a doctor, we've got to come up with some type of system that helps our people.

and he fucking will repeal obamacare because he knows it's a disaster.

What a losing fucking argument come the general election. Are you kidding me?

Trump wins walking away if he gets the nomination.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 28, 2015 01:17 PM (q5APL)

238 Oh, and Trump called for defunding Planned Parenthood a while ago on Dana Loesch's show.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 28, 2015 01:18 PM (q5APL)

239 I've liked Scott Walker for a long time now. There are several of them that are also perfectly acceptable.

Bush and Walker are the only ones that are actually running for president, though. All the rest are running for book deals, VP, TV gigs, or some other lower office that they hope can be funded by their current campaign.

Trump will not make it to the ballot in Iowa and New Hampshire. I'll be surprised if he makes it out of this summer's debates.

A lot of people use the words "we" and "us" a lot in these comment threads. Who is "we?" Do these commenters have a mouse in their pocket?

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 28, 2015 01:18 PM (ljZD2)

240
Nood

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 01:18 PM (h0PFb)

241 Abortions are a great business decision.

Plus it means revenue for billionaires like me.

Posted by: Upchuck/Fakin at July 28, 2015 01:18 PM (QuNQQ)

242
Lie? Are you telling me Trump did not donate to Hillary's campaign? Did not donate to the Clinton Foundation?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 28, 2015 01:18 PM (ODxAs)

243 Reagan was a Democrat at one time too.

Posted by: changey at July 28, 2015 01:19 PM (eOdp2)

244 GOPe doesn't like him because they know he's a bit of a lib despite all of the Trump talk, and he won't play along with them and they didn't choose him.

The Reg's (regular people, one notch above the LIVs, who would say Donald who?) like him because of all his "straight talk" as opposed to carefully chosen campaign speech words. The Reg's might still like him if he got elected, would like him less and less as his lib face was revealed.

The Wonks (beltway types and people like us who actually pay attention to political news and are savvy about the political fights) know he will implode or go away or be bought off or torpedoed (as in the 'rape' allegations that came out) and he won't make it to the final round of primaries.

Posted by: Sphynx at July 28, 2015 01:19 PM (OZmbA)

245 Art up

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 28, 2015 01:20 PM (GpgJl)

246 To the GOP establishment:

That ominous stomping and the rippling in your tea is the citizenry en-mass who are fed up with your feckless, bullshit political careers.

You have 15 months to find your balls and prepare a tangible apology to the country in general for the monolithic disaster that has been the result of your grossly over-stayed welcome in the house of our government.

Else, If you like your McReid YOU can keep your McReid.

The rest of us will reform our Republic and you will be nothing more than an example of what our Forefathers warned us about.

Posted by: melodicmetal1 at July 28, 2015 01:20 PM (MV2jA)

247 KG:

Great point re his book. I'd be willing to bet 95% of Trump bashers and beclowners haven't even watched one full speech the guy has done.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 28, 2015 01:21 PM (q5APL)

248
Seriously who thinks Trump is a shill for the Clintons?
Posted by: changey

We're getting desperate. We're trying everything we can think of. Hell, we spent all yesterday calling him a rapist fer Pete's sake.

If we can't create an excuse to keep Trump out of the first debate, we could be in real trouble here.

Posted by: Your GOP Media Arm

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 28, 2015 01:21 PM (kdS6q)

249 243 Reagan was a Democrat at one time too.

People keep bringing this up. Reagan was a Democrat in the late 40s, not 11 years before running for office, and before the modern conservative movement had even come into existence.

Posted by: AD at July 28, 2015 01:21 PM (s4wTA)

250 Arts and crafts thread is up

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 28, 2015 01:21 PM (VPLuQ)

251 America is currently suffering through one extreme narcissist who is trying to work out his massive inferiority complex and daddy issues by sitting behind the Resolute Desk. We don't need another.Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 28, 2015 01:00 PM (ljZD2)Best argument against �Yeb! I've heard yet!

Posted by: rditt at July 28, 2015 01:22 PM (aZ2cX)

252 A candidate who has flip-flopped on important issues like abortion and immigration has no business running for president.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at July 28, 2015 01:23 PM (Ui7Rt)

253
Reagan was a Democrat at one time too.

Reagan was a Democrat in the late 40s, not 11 years before running for office, and before the modern conservative movement had even come into existence.
Posted by: AD

Wait till they get a load of me.....

Posted by: Rick "Democrat Elected Official During the Reagan Years" Perry

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 28, 2015 01:23 PM (kdS6q)

254 What does Scott Walker believe on immigration?

Posted by: some random meathead at July 28, 2015 01:23 PM (QuNQQ)

255 198 If anyone hasn't noticed the Drudge and WZ articles about Baraka commenting about being able to win a third term, need to take a look at them.

Many of us knew that this was going to happen. Watch this idea start to grow.
Posted by: Soona at July 28, 2015 01:04 PM (P25Hh)

The sad thing is, he's probably right. Between the LIVs, the radical left, illegals, vote fraud, and of course the media, he probably could win a third term.

Posted by: rickl at July 28, 2015 01:24 PM (zoehZ)

256 I have no problem with Trump in the debates but I also think every participant MUST sign a pledge that if he/she doesn't get the nomination he/she will NOT run as a 3rd party candidate. There is absolutely no reason to promote someone and then have them turn around and stab the party in the back.

Posted by: jack burton at July 28, 2015 12:32 PM (20XS1)

And how do you expect to enforce such a thing? The party would have no legal standing. Sue for breach of contract? The whole nation would view that as an extreme case of sour grapes. Furthermore, circumstances might arise where a serious candidate, say Walker or Cruz, gets sidelined by a palace coupe in favor of a squish like Bush, who then goes on to publicly fellate Obama, much to the disgust of the base. Why would any serious candidate sign a pledge not to run third party, if the party itself goes off the rails?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 28, 2015 01:24 PM (DAtNG)

257 Yes. We're all told that Rick Perry is the "conservative" to run the country and that we can trust Trump who identifies as a Democrat on some things.

And this is Perry who actually RAN AND HELD OFFICE as a Democrat.

LOL

Posted by: prescient11 at July 28, 2015 01:25 PM (q5APL)

258 "...I can't believe when push comes to shove people will vote for him."

So very wrong. The greater problem for Trump is Trump -- will he implode? If he can get through this rocket stage and take some blows and buckle down without losing his tell-it-like-it-is appeal, he will get lots of votes.

But I don't believe he will hang in there, and that Cruz will emerge as the only candidate who will fight the fight Trump is suggesting must be fought and that the people know in their guts must be fought but that none of the other candidates seem to deeply understand.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 28, 2015 01:25 PM (s/yC1)

259 What does Scott Walker believe on immigration?

Posted by: some random meathead at July 28, 2015 01:23 PM (QuNQQ)
I think he's kind of flip-floppy on that, depending on who he's talking to.

Posted by: Peaches at July 28, 2015 01:25 PM (EgOr3)

260 Another thing. Several people like to refer to the "base" of the Republican party and represent themselves as typical of that base. The base of any political party are the people who relentlessly show up to vote for the party's candidates at every level, at every election. A further "base of the base," if you will, are those who not only do that, but are willing to open their wallets for the party and give of their time to the party.

Funnily enough, most of the people claiming themselves as the "base" of the Republican party are the first people to talk about not voting for its candidates and "letting the whole thing burn."

I think they are somewhat confused as to who they are, and who the actual "base" of the Republican party are. Which leads to their further confusion about why they are not listened to by the party leadership.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 28, 2015 01:26 PM (ljZD2)

261
So people here are really buying into the blowhard corporate-welfare jackass because he tells you what you want to hear (which he doesn't even actually believe)? I think that might actually be sadder than the state of the Republican Party as a whole. Anyone actually believe in limited government anymore? Anyone at all?

Posted by: radar at July 28, 2015 01:26 PM (kQfqk)

262
What does Scott Walker believe on immigration?
Posted by: some random meathead

After I consult with my crack campaign staff, I'll let me know.

Posted by: Scott "You're Hired!" Walker

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 28, 2015 01:27 PM (kdS6q)

263 I have trouble with the claim that Trump will run as an independent and throw the race to Hillary.

If Jeb is the nominee, Hillary won't need any help. The GOPe is clueless about the intensity of loathing the electorate, both Democrat and Republican, has for the Bush family.

Posted by: V the K at July 28, 2015 01:27 PM (3IJYC)

264 252 A candidate who has flip-flopped on important issues like abortion and immigration has no business running for president.
Posted by: Mitt Romney at July 28, 2015 01:23 PM (Ui7Rt)

That's the point, though. Everybody ragged on Mitt Romney for that, me included. Nobody described him as an honest man who tells it like it is, even though he has demonstrated better personal character.

We just took it for granted that Romney was an opportunist. I'm not willing to say differently of Trump.

Posted by: AD at July 28, 2015 01:27 PM (s4wTA)

265 I'm seriously enjoying his non-PC approach to topics. It's freaking refreshing. Not sure i'm ever going to vote (R) ever again unless we get back into an enlightenment period again with another Reagan or someone. This country desperately needs this right now.

Posted by: Citation X is fast at July 28, 2015 01:28 PM (qKFMO)

266 Bush II governed like a moderate Democrat from the 1970's.
He talked one way, then did another.
Bush I was a moderate republican who governed that way.

Trump is no worse in the fungible nature of his stated positions than the last 2 GOP Presidents.

Posted by: changey at July 28, 2015 01:28 PM (eOdp2)

267

Hide yo hot Eastern European wife, hide yo coked-up kids, hide yoself, cuz Trump's rapin everybody up in heeah!

YO!

Posted by: imp at July 28, 2015 01:28 PM (XIXZz)

268 Anyone actually believe in limited government anymore? Anyone at all?

Certainly not Trump. He has ideas baby! Ideas to build lots of stuff with unlimited fed money! Ideas, baby!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 28, 2015 01:28 PM (ODxAs)

269

Trump is our Gaius Marius. The first in a line of wealthy usurpers demagoguing to the common citizen.

Posted by: imp at July 28, 2015 01:31 PM (XIXZz)

270
266Bush II governed like a moderate Democrat from the 1970's.
He talked one way, then did another.
Bush I was a moderate republican who governed that way.

Trump is no worse in the fungible nature of his stated positions than the last 2 GOP Presidents.

Well, there's a hearty endorsement - "Trump - No Worse Than The George Bushes!"

Christ. I thought we couldn't stand the mushy Bush political philosophy. That's why we all hate Jeb, right?

Posted by: radar at July 28, 2015 01:32 PM (kQfqk)

271 "Anyone actually believe in limited government anymore? Anyone at all?"

With over 47% of Americans getting free handouts what do you think?

Posted by: changey at July 28, 2015 01:32 PM (eOdp2)

272 Trump is no worse in the fungible nature of his stated positions than the last 2 GOP Presidents.
Posted by: changey at July 28, 2015 01:28 PM (eOdp2)

"No worse" than Bush II is not really selling this guy.

And as much as I don't like it, I think Bush was very clear about what he cared about: Social issues and the war. He tried to deliver there.

He was a squish on other things, but this is the compassionate conservative guy. He didn't make a pretense about that.

Posted by: AD at July 28, 2015 01:32 PM (s4wTA)

273 I'm just amused that some people are so ignorant that they would give any credence to the "ideas" of a man who has managed to lose money to the point of bankruptcy, more than once, while running casinos.

There are dozens and dozens of Indian tribes in bum-fuck, flyoverstan that annually manage not to accomplish that level of incompetence.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 28, 2015 01:33 PM (ljZD2)

274

I think they are somewhat confused as to who they are, and who the actual "base" of the Republican party are. Which leads to their further confusion about why they are not listened to by the party leadership.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy

Ah, yes. The Donor Class is the true base of teh Republican party.

The base, jack, is the bulk of people who self-identify and/or vote Republican and as much of an ideology as you can cobble together therefrom. Numbers make the base, not money.

Posted by: imp at July 28, 2015 01:35 PM (XIXZz)

275 ,...Or Option W -
Most everyone is expecting a Civil War anyways, might as well enjoy the discomfort and offended pretense of the Hoity-Toity bunches in the Media and Congress.

And some just want to see blood sooner.

I think collectively we're looking at about 60 percent of the nation expects and/or wants the shooting to begin within a few quarters.

So - Trump is the warmup act. He's the guy before Gallagher and His Amazing Watermelon Hammer.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at July 28, 2015 01:35 PM (LlQKJ)

276
I'm just amused that some people are so ignorant that they would give
any credence to the "ideas" of a man who has managed to lose money to
the point of bankruptcy, more than once,

I know right?

Posted by: zombie Abe Lincoln at July 28, 2015 01:36 PM (QuNQQ)

277 I'm thinking that a lot can happen between now and when I pull the lever in the primary. So I'm backing off on who I'd vote for right now. But I am very much enjoying watching the GOPe squirm trying to deal with Trump. And I've liked what Trump has been saying on immigration. It is going to be one of the top two issues this next election.

Posted by: Soona at July 28, 2015 01:37 PM (P25Hh)

278 @276 You forgot the "while running casinos" part. Otherwise known as a license to print money. Yet, somehow, Trump fucked that part up. Multiple times.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 28, 2015 01:37 PM (ljZD2)

279 The Wonks (beltway types and people like us who actually pay attention to political news and are savvy about the political fights) know he will implode or go away or be bought off or torpedoed (as in the 'rape' allegations that came out) and he won't make it to the final round of primaries.

Posted by: Sphynx at July 28, 2015 01:19 PM (OZmbA)

"We" KNOW! How arrogant, I respectfully write to a Moron. This is an Alinsky tactic, "we" should know, too. Can anyone do some real investigative journalism here? We know Trump has declared bankruptcy (proper capitalist way of failing), and used eminent domain (not sure of the details), but how has he followed through with his business dealings. Can he tough it out? Can he follow through? Can he do it without (too much) application for government largesse/protection? I don't as yet know the details and I will not destroy Trump personally. I want a have a full resume.

Posted by: pyromancer76 at July 28, 2015 01:38 PM (zvcr8)

280 I could see myself telling a pollster that I'm backing the Donald as a means of sending a message to the GOP-e, and I could even perhaps see myself voting for him if I lived in an early primary state in order to reinforce that message, but I would be relying on later states to correct things and nominate a better candidate. I just can't see myself voting for him in a general election. If it comes down to the Donald or the Hillary, I think I'll stay home.

Posted by: biancaneve at July 28, 2015 01:38 PM (kBiy2)

281 Living on the front lines of the illegal immigration wave in Texas, seeing how much things haven changed over the past few years and continue to get worse every year, I'm grateful that someone, even if it's batshit crazy Trump, got people talking about illegal immigration.

Of course, nothing will be done about it, but at least people are paying attention.

Posted by: brak at July 28, 2015 01:38 PM (Tj+s6)

282 Edison I think said he didn't fail, just found 10,000 ways to fail.
He did ok.
Trump has gone bankrupt. He also is worth many millions today. Which politician running for office has accomplished that kind of resurrection from failure? Coming after Obama, a man who did nothing to get everything, Trump is the next coming of The Most Interesting Man in the World.

Posted by: changey at July 28, 2015 01:39 PM (eOdp2)

283 "When did Trump ever claim to be rabidly pro-abortion? I thought he was opposed to abortion personally, but okay with pro-choice legally."

This from a soccon who is strictly anti-abortion, that be me,:

As a strict-constructionist, I think we should HANG any congressman who INTENTIONALLY goes against their oath of office by introducing anti-abortion law that they know is already unconstitutional. That is grounds for dismissal in the most harsh way. Now, that doesn't mean they can't support judges or constitutional amendments to change that, or moving up the deadline where it's legal for abortions based on new medical knowledge.

Of course, I think we should hang any congress critter who also introduces any type of law that they clearly know is unconstitutional - for they have violated their oath.

Trump's statements are in line with that. A candidate who says he will push for unconstitutional laws - well, that means he isn't qualified. A candidate who says he will push for constitutional change or more conservative judges, that's fine.

Still, though, Abortion is murder in my book.

Posted by: doug at July 28, 2015 01:40 PM (IYEs/)

284 Looking back on past GOP candidates, they were cowards before the media. Would get scared about being called a racist or any Dem double speak.

Trump won't fall for the banana in the tail pipe stunts that the Media will pull. He knows howto give it better than he got.

Posted by: changey at July 28, 2015 01:41 PM (eOdp2)

285 Lie? Are you telling me Trump did not donate to Hillary's campaign? Did not donate to the Clinton Foundation?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 28, 2015 01:18 PM (ODxAs)

All that means is that he paid the graft he had to pay to keep doing business in New York.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 28, 2015 01:43 PM (DAtNG)

286 What would Obama do if he went into bankruptcy court? Bribe the bankruptcy judge.
What would any of the GOP candidates do if they faced certain bankruptcy, not once by twice?

Trump has more balls than any of these guys. People in the GOP base appreciate that.

Posted by: changey at July 28, 2015 01:45 PM (eOdp2)

287 I work with a lot of blacks (or African American or whatever the PC term is.) I am surprised how many of them have said they like Trump, that they'd vote for him. The anti-immigrant message is resonating with them. One guy told me "We got dragged through the front door of this country in chains, why am I supposed to feel sorry for some wetback who cut through chains to sneak in the back door?" Would this hold through until the election? I don't know, but even grabbing 10 percent of that vote would tie the Dems up in knots in some states.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at July 28, 2015 01:46 PM (hslAc)

288
DO NOT want to see the situation resolved by means of a shooting war.

I believe there is a political solution available, the frame work exists to implement it.

Along with a lot of you here and elsewhere,I took an oath that doesn't expire. Fulfilling that oath does not always mean picking up a weapon.

That is the final step, when there is NO alternative. Don't think we are close to that yet.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 28, 2015 01:48 PM (jeCnD)

289 "He's rabidly pro-abortion, essentially pro-illegal immigration, and fundamentally pro big-government. Why don't the GOP higher ups love the guy? And why do the rank and file not hate him? What kind of topsy turvy world is this?"

Maybe because the GOP "establishment" is actually fairly conservative, just a bunch of elitist asshats. Maybe also the GOP "base" is actually really credulous, and willing to follow anyone with the right enemies and who hits the proper emotional notes.

Posted by: Schmendrick at July 28, 2015 01:50 PM (TCmuf)

290 271"Anyone actually believe in limited government anymore? Anyone at all?"

With over 47% of Americans getting free handouts what do you think?Posted by: changey at July 28, 2015 01:32 PM (eOdp2)So, if you can't beat em, join em, huh? Awesome, compellingstuff.

Posted by: radar at July 28, 2015 01:51 PM (kQfqk)

291
I don't believe there's a political solution, for the simple fact that we're outnumbered. We've lost the battle for public opinion, and there is no going back. There will either be a peaceful partitioning (which has no chance of happening), or there's going to be an actual war.

We're doomed, utterly and completely. There is no way forward that isn'ta disaster.

Posted by: radar at July 28, 2015 01:54 PM (kQfqk)

292 He's rabidly pro-abortion, essentially pro-illegal immigration, and fundamentally pro big-government.
Why don't the GOP higher ups love the guy?
And why do the rank and file not hate him?

What kind of topsy turvy world is this?
Posted by: matthew at July 28, 2015 12:12 PM (Z/WIA)

Rebut: If he is pro-abortion what does that make the Republican Party in Congress that just voted to fund Planned Parenthood under the guise of passing a highway bill? Why would I hate him when at least he's open about his beliefs, unlike Rinos who pretend to fight causes the are against and then fund them once elected into office. Of course they'll try and exclude him from the debate, from the get go the media and the Establishment have worked together to advance Bush exclusively.

Posted by: Rose at July 28, 2015 02:05 PM (/1Oxb)

293 Drew M., for follow-through, compare the Trump kids (with Ivana) to the Jeb Bush kids.

Posted by: pyromancer76 at July 28, 2015 02:12 PM (zvcr8)

294 "One guy told me "We got dragged through the front door of this country
in chains, why am I supposed to feel sorry for some wetback who cut
through chains to sneak in the back door?

This is a telling issue for Democrats and pro-amnesty Republicans alike. Coulter makes much of it in "Adios America." Immigrants, unlike gays, compete head-on with poor blacks for jobs and social services and they're trying to hijack the civil rights banner despite having come here voluntarily from hellholes with much worse human rights records and no history of Anglo oppression beyond losing a two-century old war and territory they never lived in (and was only lightly occupied at the time). Were Hispanics discriminated against in America - yes. But does that translate into "your descendants have a "right of return" to a country that was never theirs?" Hell no, of course not.

Hispanics vote 80% Democrat because they like big government. Most tellingly, legalized Hispanics (eligible to vote) don't consider amnesty a big issue. Thus if they're following the polls (which even Republicans know how to do) the Republicans chasing the Hispanic vote unicorn have to be counting on amnestied illegals getting the vote in order to reap benefits. Recapping - Hispanics already here are lukewarm at best on amnesty, illegals supposedly will never be able to vote - where's the vote unicorn carrot for the GOP? The GOP amnesty supporters know full well the amnestied illegals will get the vote and are counting on it. Amnesty supporters refuse to seal the border and demand comprehensive sausage-making that will permit all the "unforeseen" consequences to occur via the usual Failure Theater (Supreme Court decisions, later legislation, etc...).

The working class, white and black, see the handwriting on that wall and are ready for any candidate that says "Stop!" Even Teh Donald.

Here's hoping Cruz, recently burned (AGAIN) by The Turtle, is pissed enough to take that flag and run with it all the way to a third party run. If he crossed over from the GOP to third party, he'd have cred. It's not the way I'd like to start a third party (ground up, small races first) but sometimes you take what history hands you.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 28, 2015 02:51 PM (ce96n)

295 Stop trying to prove Trump is some kind of liar or 'democrat in disguise' because of things he did or said or positions he took years ago. It's a waste of time. Good God, we re-elected a president who was against gay marriage two years ago; and the most favored Democratic candidate for 2016 is a liar (emails) and a thief (Whitewater/stock futures). And you're worried over what Trump said years ago? It's what he's saying right now that counts...and it counts big time with millions of Americans who've been waiting for someone, anyone to give voice to their misery, frustrations and unhappiness with the DC crowd who produced the mess we are in.
Most Americans don't want, like or appreciate illegals and they want something done about ridding us of them and the illegal service industry that has grown with them. Trump is the only one talking about it. LET HIM SPEAK>

Posted by: Lew Colby at July 28, 2015 03:06 PM (ifEmd)

296 "As a strict-constructionist, I think we should HANG any congressman who
INTENTIONALLY goes against their oath of office by introducing
anti-abortion law that they know is already unconstitutional. That is
grounds for dismissal in the most harsh way."

WTF? Draco wasn't that "strict" of a constructionist.

Officials swear to uphold the Constitution, not whatever the Supreme Court says it means. Officials can and should make their own decisions as to SCOTUS decisions. Presidents from Jefferson to Jackson to Lincoln to FDR to Nixon have made it clear they have that option, for all that they may decline to exercise it. Otherwise SCOTUS is a nine-member Imperium with absolute power.

You test SCOTUS decisions by creating new conflicts. How did decisions like Plessy get overturned? Someone "broke the law" by defying previous Supreme Court decisions. What about jury nullification of unjust laws ala Zenger? This country has never accepted that judges should have that kind of authority - and most tellingly, the Constitution did not give the Supreme Court the power of judicial review at all, much less in that sense (see Jefferson re: Marshall on that for one, as well as Lincoln's later comments on Dredd Scott).

Hang them? Even impeach them? Seriously? For the "crime" of interpeting the Constitution differently than SCOTUS? Government rests on natural law and the public perception of legitimacy of government actions. It's starkly anti-American to have "absolute" law in the sense you're advocating. I support rule of law but that's an equilibrium of natural and black letter procedural laws in America, not "do what the law/regulation/opinion says to the letter always or get 'hanged.'"

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 28, 2015 03:07 PM (R672q)

297 "I can't believe when push comes to shove people will vote for him."

...Said the Democrats when another Republican non-politician mega-celebrity ran for an impossibly high public office. How'd that turn out for CA Governor Schwarzenegger?

Posted by: herb borkland at July 28, 2015 03:10 PM (AZ4sn)

298 "There will either be a peaceful partitioning (which has no chance of happening), or there's going to be an actual war."

Soft secession. State and local officials in core red states refuse to enforce Federal laws which violate the Constitution. Put down the markers. Is concealed carry worth starting a civil war over, Feds? Is gay marriage? Will the troops you're sending to enforce such laws attack US citizens on those grounds? Would anyone support invading Texas because they outlawed abortion? I'd suggest that people would be more likely to support a war over a state permitting killing babies rather than preventing it - and abortion's the closest issue to slavery in terms of significance we face in the culture wars.

What would provoke D.C. most would be denying them tax money. I'd keep sending them money but defy them on the cultural mandates, social issues, Common Core, etc... Governors should enforce their own borders - Americans wouldn't support invading Texas for disregarding Obama's illegal amnesty either. If they finally made money an issue we couldn't stomach (e,g, punitively taxing nullifying states), that would be the most dangerous ground for violent conflict, but our public would see us as right in that cause as well, and hopefully make DC stay their hand on starting an armed conflict.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 28, 2015 03:17 PM (LX8+G)

299 Why the hell would anti GOPe voters support Trump now but not Gary Johnson four years ago? GJ is a successful 2 term governor and businessman. He was a serious candidate in 2012 and yet he went nowhere in the polls. I don't understand how Trump comes out one cycle later, more liberal and more of a joke, and yet conservatives flock to him in droves.

Unless it really is all about immigration... GJ is pretty open borders (for visas not citizenship), though he would do everything he could to shut down the welfare state. I'm down for more hard workers just not more moochers. See his history of vetoes while governing New Mexico.

Anyway, GJ gets my vote if Rand doesn't find a way to turn his campaign around during the debates. I hate the GOPe, but that doesn't mean i have to support freakin Trump. McCain/Palin was my last time holding my nose. I supported GJ third party over Romney in 2012; i can do it again next year. Wish more of you guys who are fed up with being used by Washington would join me. Once the GOP is dead we can start being serious. Until then, all politics is theater.

Posted by: Robert W at July 28, 2015 03:31 PM (C0yc8)

300 I will vote for Trump, I will campaign for Trump.

Posted by: gonzotx at July 28, 2015 03:35 PM (eV1YV)

301 It is really hard to believe that people will actually vote for him.

The only possible good I can say is: Donald is better than Hillary or Bernie.

I hope this is not my only choice, but after Obama there is little hope for America anyway.

Posted by: petunia at July 28, 2015 03:36 PM (VoCyE)

302 Come to think of it. I hope they include him in the debate. I can't picture him in the Whitehouse, but he does know how to fire incompetents... but he is not at all Presidential.

Maybe a debate could make me see it.

Posted by: petunia at July 28, 2015 03:39 PM (VoCyE)

303 "Why the hell would anti GOPe voters support Trump now but not Gary Johnson four years ago? GJ is a successful 2 term governor and businessman. He was a serious candidate in 2012 and yet he went nowhere in the polls. I don't understand how Trump comes out one cycle later, more liberal and more of a joke, and yet conservatives flock to him in droves. "

Because GOP base voters aren't about actual politicians. They're about protest candidates who are aggressively dumb and who yowl convincingly about how they're "mad as hell" or some such. It's the conservative version of the "can relate to people like me" Obamaphone people.

Posted by: Schmendrick at July 28, 2015 04:05 PM (TCmuf)

304 "The only possible good I can say is: Donald is better than Hillary or Bernie."

Madness. Hillary is a career politician who is bone-deep cynical. Bernie is a career politician who is an ideologue. Trump is an egomaniac, sociopathic, idiotic madman.

Posted by: Schmendrick at July 28, 2015 04:09 PM (TCmuf)

305 "Oh sure, he's going to campaign and do whatever it is he thinks will get votes but I can't believe when push comes to shove people will vote for him."

I'll vote for him. I'm people. As far as I know.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 28, 2015 04:16 PM (1CroS)

306 Trump 2016! Because fuck you.

Posted by: The Base at July 28, 2015 04:53 PM (zFXwQ)

307 If he wasn't saying what voters wanted to hear let's face it he wouldn't be doing well in the polls.

The public hates him but loves what he is saying.

Well more to the point the voting public finally see someone that's fighting back!

This shows just how starved the voting public is for someone that is NOT a politician.

Posted by: jack at July 28, 2015 04:56 PM (5Wlyt)

308 You don't sell the steak, you sell the sizzle. Trump can sell. My choices at this point is, in no particular order, Trump, Fiorina, and Cruz. Oh, and bite me GOPe. You turds put Jebbie on the ballot at your own demise.

Posted by: RIP GOPe at July 28, 2015 05:09 PM (MPLl2)

309 "Unless it really is all about immigration..."

An open borders position on immigration is a third rail. Rand's going to find that out.

I'm an Objectivist myself so I'm familiar with the cant but the open borders Libertarians are dead wrong - there's more to a country than economics and admitting large numbers of voters who don't share your political and cultural values and won't be required to assimilate would kill any Libertopia in the cradle.

If you want to peel the electorate away from the GOP and Dems, you need to take back the middle class, and they're done with "free trade," "open borders," and a tax policy they see as favoring rich crony capitalists without any halt in government spending. Libertarians have support on "live and let live" social policy for the most part (freedom over coercion toward any culture) - but they lose a lot of appeal with their fetish for "gay rights" as presently construed. Live and let live includes freedom to disassociate for Christians, and a lot of Libertarians (See Reason commenters) are so knee-jerk anti-religious that they see Christians as "Two Legs Bad" when deciding whose cause to support.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 28, 2015 05:13 PM (fakk3)

310 SocietyIs2Blame:

Sorry, but I do strike a difference among some. For example, laws that probe or skirt the rulings, there is no problem with that. It's those folks that continuously come up with laws or try to introduce or pass them that are obviously unconstitutional.

If a liberal introduces a law to ban the possession of rifles by the citizenry at all times - they should be hung - after being impeached I guess.

If a 'conservative' masquerading as such introduces a law to ban all abortions at all time everywhere - he should be hung - after being impeached for violating his oath.

Heck, even if they are closer to the gray area. We are talking about a group of lawmakers who have passed Obamacare - do you really think that our founding fathers in 1804 would have thought it constitutional? They would have hung themselves as Torey traitors if they did something like that. We have equivalated far enough, so far, that we no longer follow the Constitution.

Posted by: doug at July 28, 2015 05:37 PM (IYEs/)

311 Drew, your tired "Trump's not serious", is getting, well, tiresome. Sheesh. Trump keeps proving you WRONG (last week you said he's never lead in any state, how silly you look now!) and you keep pretending he isn't real. Good Lord, man, be happy!

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at July 28, 2015 05:42 PM (xetep)

312 Entertainers sense my power, and they seek my cash. I do not avoid entertainers, Mandrake. But I do deny them my money.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 28, 2015 06:43 PM (rwI+c)

313 oops

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 28, 2015 06:46 PM (rwI+c)

314 I do find it amusing that people who claim to hate RINOs will vote for a guy like Trump. Talk about being bamboozled.

I look forward to the debates. This whole POWs fiasco has demonstrated that Donald has a glass jaw. Tough guys don't whine about being taken out of context (especially when they, y'know, weren't) and try to clarify comments they insist they won't apologize for (but later do anyway). The guy's gonna get crushed in the debate and will probably freak out the moment Perry calls him an idiot to his face.

Posted by: tops116 at July 28, 2015 10:00 PM (Wn+fE)

315 Well, for all of your bootlickers who are still backing Jeb, you might want to surf on over to Telemundo and have a look at the footage of Jeb giving a speech on immigration "reform" (which doesn't include enforcement of the border, naturally) in Spanish, as of today.

Once that footage gets translated and subtitled, Jeb is done. Jeb could fake it until now, but now he's placed his bet: Jeb is going to side with the illegal immigrant free sh*t army over Americans.

Posted by: PS at July 28, 2015 10:26 PM (odmOB)

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