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AoSHQ Interview: Noah Pollak On The Iran Nuke Deal

(Bumped back up top after breaking Planned Parenthood story)

Noah Pollak (@noahpollak) is the Executive Director of The Emergency Committee for Israel and a contributor to The Weekly Standard and The Washington Free Beacon.

We spoke yesterday afternoon about the Iran nuclear deal.

Here's the full interview.

Topics covered include:

Some of the most egregious provisions of the deal. We couldn't get to them all because I wanted to keep this under 30 minutes and an extensive accounting of the deal would take hours.

Why Obama was so desperate for a deal (legacy and/or remaking the Mideast more to his liking).

Implications for the future of the Mideast (spoiler: there are many and none are good from a US perspective). In short, Obama ran on an anti-nuclear proliferation platform and will in the end be responsible for a major escalation in the spread of nuclear weapons.

The Corker-Cardin charade and the fecklessness of Democrats on the matter. Watch Democrats like Schumer to vote against the deal but to uphold Obama's veto.

And finally, because I forgot to do it earlier, the idiocy of so-called "snap back" sanctions. It'll never happen because too many countries will have too much pride on the line and there's too much money to be made.

The timing of this discussion is fortuitous because Secretaries Kerry, Moniz, and Lew are back on Capital Hill today testifying before the House Foreign Affairs Committee about the deal.

In related news, John Yoo, the former DoJ lawyer most well known for authoring the legal justification for the "enhanced interrogation" regime during the George W. Bush administration, argues that the Iran deal isn't a treaty for purposes of Senate ratification but the GOP still played its hand poorly.

But critics of the Iran deal should save their strength when it comes to the Constitution. Last spring, Republicans in Congress created a process to review the agreement by majority vote. If Congress disapproves the deal, President Obama can still veto the resolution. In other words, two-thirds of the House and Senate will have to agree to stop the Iran deal — a bizarre inversion of the Treaty Clause.

Congressional Republicans may have scored a political victory by putting every Senate Democrat on the record on the Iran deal, but they have also inadvertently bolstered the deal’s legality. In foreign affairs, as the Supreme Court has observed, the president acts at the height of his constitutional powers when backed up by Congress. In Youngstown Sheet & Tube v. Sawyer, which blocked President Truman’s seizure of the nation’s steel mills during the Korean War, Justice Robert Jackson famously observed: “When the President acts pursuant to an express or implied authorization of Congress, his authority is at its maximum, for it includes all that he possesses in his own right plus all that Congress can delegate.” While only a concurrence (and one I tend to disagree with as a misreading of the separation of powers), Jackson’s approach has found its way into the justices’ majority opinions in recent foreign-affairs cases.

In providing a legal basis for the Iran deal, congressional Republicans have only themselves to blame. Nevertheless, conservatives are weighing legal challenges in court. This would be a waste of valuable resources.

Read his whole argument, it's worth the time.

I agree that the Iran deal falls outside the purview of the Ratification Clause but on other grounds. Yoo is far too much of an Executive supremacist for my liking but that doesn't change the facts that all Presidents have tremendous leeway in foreign affairs. Absent some sort of internal restraint (which the Constitution's "checks and balances" was designed to limit the need for) or the political will in the legislature to provoke a showdown, there's not much this or an Congress can do.

Iran and Obama will get their deal. He will ride off into the sunset in a less than a year and a half and then the real work of dealing with this fateful agreement will begin.

Added just because of course it was....


Posted by: DrewM. at 10:58 AM




Comments

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1 Lot's to read here.

Thanks

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 28, 2015 09:43 AM (VPLuQ)

2 Fwoist!

Posted by: Bwoston Stwong!! at July 28, 2015 09:43 AM (hKyl0)

3 Wats!

Posted by: Bwoston Stwong!! at July 28, 2015 09:43 AM (hKyl0)

4 A thread, in the morning....


Whole Eeeee Shitte...

Posted by: cajun caret at July 28, 2015 09:43 AM (UZQM8)

5 Basically willowed twice already today. Dammit, I'm gettin' in here early.

Posted by: Agent J at July 28, 2015 09:45 AM (ueOgE)

6
You mean obama's treasonous and deceitful Iran nuke deal?

You mean that done-deal?

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 09:45 AM (h0PFb)

7 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 28, 2015 09:45 AM (kff5f)

8 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 28, 2015 09:45 AM (kff5f)

9 This whole "Content before 12:30" thing frightens and confuses me.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 28, 2015 09:46 AM (kff5f)

10 You want: Cthulhu
You'd take: SMOD
You'll get: Bush/Clinton Unity Ticket 2016

Posted by: Agent J at July 28, 2015 09:47 AM (ueOgE)

11 In summary, Israel is fucked.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 28, 2015 09:47 AM (mx5oN)

12 "This whole "Content before 12:30" thing frightens and confuses me."


Not only is it frightening....it's just plain morally wrong.


This is how nations begin to crumble.
First, around the edges, and then the entire center collapses.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 28, 2015 09:48 AM (VPLuQ)

13
hey, how's that Afghsnistan war going, btw?

Yeah, remember that one?

And how's Iraq doing these days?

Again I have to mention how surreal it is to have these pressing crises simply fade out of news cycle unresolved.

We have No Leadership anywhere in this world.

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 09:48 AM (h0PFb)

14 follow the money.

Posted by: eman at July 28, 2015 09:49 AM (MQEz6)

15 Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at July 28, 2015 09:50 AM (V1M8q)

16 Posted by: Brother Cavil at July 28, 2015 09:50 AM (V1M8q)

Burn the Centrist Heretic!

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 28, 2015 09:51 AM (kff5f)

17 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet

Crossbowist scum!

Posted by: Brother Cavil at July 28, 2015 09:53 AM (V1M8q)

18 11 In summary, Israel is fucked.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 28, 2015 09:47 AM (mx5oN

Don't say ovens, or they will think you're a Huckabee plant.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 28, 2015 09:53 AM (J3phO)

19 Don't say ovens, or they will think you're a Huckabee plant.

===

No danger of that, though the peace lilies may be Santorum voters.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at July 28, 2015 09:55 AM (V1M8q)

20 The whole world is utterly boned. We live in a time when an EMP would cause more deaths here than the Black Plague did in Europe, both in number and percentage of population. And President Stupid just made sure that the second-craziest regime on the planet will have nukes soon. (The Norks already got theirs.)

It struck me yesterday that a single nuke, detonated at the right altitude, is basically a doomsday weapon.

Posted by: Agent J at July 28, 2015 09:56 AM (ueOgE)

21 DrewM stomps the dump.

Check your shoes .

Posted by: some random meathead at July 28, 2015 09:57 AM (QuNQQ)

22 >>follow the money.

All the money. Specifically, the other members of the P5 +1 who were partnered on this deal and agreed to it at the UN.

Every single one of them with the exception of the UK and us has been in Iran since the deal was concluded and are already doing deals including Russia concluding a deal for S-300 missiles that was agreed to before the sanctions agreement but held up until now and the Chinese who have agreed to build 2 new nuke plants in Iran.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 28, 2015 09:58 AM (OGm46)

23
In related news, John Yoo, the former DoJ lawyer most well known for authoring the legal justification for the "enhanced interrogation" regime during the George W. Bush administration








Did he throw a writ whilst jumping through the air and saying "aaaaaahhhh!"?

I always liked the stylish Chinese movies early in his career. The English language films he did in Hollywood, not so much.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 28, 2015 09:58 AM (VbHFl)

24
You want: Cthulhu
You'd take: SMOD
You'll get: Bush/Clinton Unity Ticket 2016

Posted by: Agent J at July 28, 2015 09:47 AM (ueOgE)







So we're getting the Greater Evil. Good to know.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 28, 2015 09:59 AM (VbHFl)

25 All the money. Specifically, the other members of the P5 +1 who were partnered on this deal and agreed to it at the UN.

===

Remember "Oil for Food"?

Posted by: Brother Cavil at July 28, 2015 10:00 AM (V1M8q)

26 It struck me yesterday that a single nuke, detonated at the right altitude, is basically a doomsday weapon.


This.

An airborne EMP is absolutely terrifying. Shipping-trucking food, communications-emergency instructions, electricity-water purity, electronic payment.

That's the first few hours.

Then you have pay deposits,communications-including Internet,travel-vehicles disabled, medicine-hospitals.

It is worth asking again:
If Obama wanted to destroy America , what would he do differently?


Posted by: some random meathead at July 28, 2015 10:04 AM (QuNQQ)

27
Remember "Oil for Food"?
Posted by: Brother Cavil at July 28, 2015 10:00 AM (V1M8q

No Blood for Oil?

Not even Extra Virgin Olive Oil

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 28, 2015 10:05 AM (J3phO)

28 The whole world is utterly boned. We live in a time when an EMP would cause more deaths here than the Black Plague did in Europe, both in number and percentage
of population. And President Stupid just made sure that the second-craziest regime on the planet will have nukes soon. (The Norks already got theirs.)

It struck me yesterday that a single nuke, detonated at the right altitude, is basically a doomsday weapon.



The "Reset Button".

Second craziest has them. (Norks)
Iran passes the Norks on the crazy scale.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 28, 2015 10:06 AM (9ZFBo)

29 Second craziest has them. (Norks)
Iran passes the Norks on the crazy scale.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 28, 2015 10:06 AM (9ZFBo)


Benefit of still living in a 3rd World Shit Hole? When all the lights go out, you won't even notice.

And, as I and others have said before: MAD only works with both (all) parties are at least semi-rational actors.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 28, 2015 10:08 AM (kff5f)

30 All the money. Specifically, the other members of the P5 +1 who were partnered on this deal and agreed to it at the UN.

Nixon gave the world nuclear detente.

Reagan gave the world U.S. nuclear superiority.

Obama gave the world 'nuclear fairness'.



Posted by: some random meathead at July 28, 2015 10:08 AM (QuNQQ)

31 >>It's damn if you do damn if you don't . It was the language in the previously passed Iran embargo bill that screwed us.

That and the fact that the power of the sanctions agreement was that it was an international agreement. Iran wasn't just isolated from us, they were isolated to a great degree from most of the world.

Sure, the Russians and Chinese and probably others cheated around the edges but for the most part they were squeezed by everyone. All that bullshit about the French being super tough during the negotiations was just that, bullshit. Their Economic minister has already been to Iran to start doing deals. Same with Germany, They EU Foreign Minister is there right now.

All of them were just looking for a deal they could agree to that would end the sanctions and let the deals start rolling. And as was reported since the middle of last year, Obama was always planning to go to the UN first and get the exact same people who helped negotiate this deal to give a phony vote to agree to the same deal. Once that happened, whatever the Senate does is relatively meaningless.

Our asshole President is just being his normal asshole self.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 28, 2015 10:11 AM (OGm46)

32 Obama gave the world 'nuclear fairness'.


And if you ever find yourself in a fair fight, you've done fvcked up.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 28, 2015 10:12 AM (9ZFBo)

33 Drew should buy himself a decent microphone ... my ears still have not recovered ... the other guy's audio was fine.

Posted by: gh at July 28, 2015 10:53 AM (YlqSL)

34 So does a reenstompening make it an automatic boobeh thread?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 28, 2015 11:00 AM (JtwS4)

35 "I agree that the Iran deal falls outside the purview of the Ratification Clause"

I felt that way too. But then I read that it requires the Federal government to take action against state and local governments if they hold to any sort of sanctions. That pushed it over the line to a full on ratification clause treaty. But as a lay person, I'm sure my view isn't nuanced enough to understand which excuse the courts would apply to negate that problem.

Posted by: f2000 at July 28, 2015 11:06 AM (5xwgn)

36 There is a name for a deal made between two or more countries. It is called a treaty and that is exactly what this is. It is an illegal treaty. They can him and haw all they want but it is still an illegal treaty.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 28, 2015 11:08 AM (GpgJl)

37 Just because I am proud of my obsessions, I present to you Andrea Tantaros, doing just one of the many things she does better than anyone else ever could. Making sandcastles at the beach.

You all owe me one drink at the momee.

http://bit.ly/1OMWDoa

Posted by: MTF at July 28, 2015 11:10 AM (TxJGV)

38
So the main point of the Iran negotiations was for the US to cease sanctions. The part about Iran's obligations to lay off the nukes and ICBMs was half-heartedly thrown in at the last minute.

Stainless steel colander facemask and assless chaps apockeyclipse here we come.......

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 28, 2015 11:10 AM (VbHFl)

39 11
In summary, Israel is fucked.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 28, 2015 09:47 AM (mx5oN)

In a completely rational world, it would be.
This is God's world. We are made in his image, half rational and half irrational.
People may forget this, but they do so at their peril.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 28, 2015 11:10 AM (HalrA)

40 Enstompening for brunch, very nice.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at July 28, 2015 11:10 AM (zauWW)

41 It was a throw up at the last moment.

Posted by: Lurch at July 28, 2015 11:11 AM (W5DcG)

42 ***"John Yoo, the former DoJ lawyer...argues that the Iran deal isn't a treaty for purposes of Senate ratification"***



Well, if it's anybody that's mastered the art of semantics, it's Yoo.


I think even Orwell would be shocked at what the Left has been able to pull with the language.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 28, 2015 11:11 AM (xSCb6)

43
Just because I am proud of my obsessions, I present to you Andrea Tantaros, doing just one of the many things she does better than anyone else ever could. Making sandcastles at the beach.

I am going to presume that that was a cut-n-paste error and that you are not an evil, filthy, misleading human.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 28, 2015 11:13 AM (JtwS4)

44 You need a treaty before you can declare one side has broken the terms. A treaty is an official agreement between two states or groups. Lacking a treaty, unilateral action against a state is naked aggression. With a treaty it's treaty enforcement. This deal ratifies acceptable behavior. Building nukes should be somewhere in the fine print as unacceptable.

The Ayatoasshole is going to talk tough to his group because of history. Get over it. He's still binding his group to certain behaviors.

Posted by: sadeyesteve at July 28, 2015 11:14 AM (OBw8z)

45 37 wrong bitly link-Sorry!

here is Andrea T

http://bit.ly/1OMWYaA

Posted by: MTF at July 28, 2015 11:15 AM (TxJGV)

46 How long before the S300 systems are operational? This could be...important.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 28, 2015 11:17 AM (YFw5T)

47 And my faith in humanity is restored! Nice.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 28, 2015 11:18 AM (JtwS4)

48 I think even Orwell would be shocked at what the Left has been able to pull with the language.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 28, 2015 11:11 AM (xSCb6)

Up is down, black is white, short is long, and evil is good.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 28, 2015 11:18 AM (HalrA)

49 Palate cleanser:
http://is.gd/ZBG2qL

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 28, 2015 11:21 AM (/kI1Q)

50
Palate cleanser:

Is the PP thread still going? I'd had enough of that.

Was hoping for an art thread so I could go all story time, but there's no one here. (Except us cool people, that is).

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 28, 2015 11:23 AM (JtwS4)

51 This is far better than the PP thread.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 28, 2015 11:24 AM (kff5f)

52
I need an app that alerts me to Ace's noods.

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 11:24 AM (h0PFb)

53
and Chess Thread noods

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 11:25 AM (h0PFb)

54 I need an app that alerts me to Ace's noods.

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 11:24 AM (h0PFb)

Make it the 'Ron Life app? Also finds the best deals on Valu-Rite, Hobo Supplies, and Ewok-formula Catnip?

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 28, 2015 11:27 AM (HalrA)

55
do they make kibble for ewoks?

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 11:28 AM (h0PFb)

56 Worst Secretary of State ever. I won't even mention his name.

Posted by: Shallow HAL 9000 at July 28, 2015 11:29 AM (VcOqI)

57
Did You Know that you can attract ewoks with a salt lick?

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 11:30 AM (h0PFb)

58 Fukkit, I'm on outrage overlord.

Don't try to wake me when the burning starts proper, either I'll smell it and wake up or it won't matter much.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 28, 2015 11:31 AM (2l5vw)

59 Overload. Overlord.

Fukkit, either way.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 28, 2015 11:31 AM (2l5vw)

60
Did You Know that you can attract ewoks with a salt lick?

It's mostly illegal to hunt over bait.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 28, 2015 11:31 AM (JtwS4)

61
Where is all this heat and humidity coming from?

The southern states?

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 11:31 AM (h0PFb)

62 OT: Regarding the item on last night's ONT about women whining that air conditioning is too cold:

Women:

1) Wear a sweater. I sometimes do, and I love my A/C.

2) Go sit outside in your HOT car and do your work. You'll flee back inside in about 2 minutes, toots, I guarantee it.

3) This is the last stand. I draw the line here. If women in my office start up about this, I fight. If I lose and get fired, hello welfare office. (I once did have a conflict with one of those "fat, menopausal" women in an office I worked in, with windows that faced west, in a Louisiana summer. I won a temporary respite on that, and then got a job in Colorado.)

A/ C is one of the finest achievements of Western Man. "NO, dammit, DON'T TOUCH THAT THERMOSTAT --!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 28, 2015 11:32 AM (QrB1r)

63 air conditioning is too cold

I don't understand those words in that order.

Posted by: HR sits by the window and it's like a sauna in here at July 28, 2015 11:35 AM (/kI1Q)

64 I'm still looking for a cheap used coal heater. I'll enjoy burning coal this winter. I won't be using that clean-ass anthracite coal, either.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 28, 2015 11:36 AM (YFw5T)

65
Three types of people I cannot stand:

1) people who get cold/like the heat
2) people who dont like grilled meat
3) men who wear sandals

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 11:36 AM (h0PFb)

66 They can him and haw all they want but it is still an illegal treaty.


Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 28, 2015 11:08 AM


That's my take as well. Congress doesn't have the right to abdicate their responsibility IMO, and those who did -- which seems to have been damn near all of them, despite some latter-day whining -- deserve their own seats at the defense table when Choom Boy and Lurch get had up for treason.

Yes, I know that the Mocha Messiah will escape scot-free. That's what he does. But that doesn't make it right, and I still have hopes (rapidly dimming, but still there) that the Constitution will someday again prevail.

If it doesn't, we'll all be Kenyans. Or worse.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 28, 2015 11:36 AM (rCmeG)

67 Day 537 of Ace's disappearance. While some morons say they will petition the court to have Ace declared dead, other insist he is a live and is assuming a cult like status, ala, scientology. Hail Ron Ace Hubbard! We are all in the navy now!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 28, 2015 11:36 AM (iQIUe)

68 He Stands With Islam.

Posted by: Garrett at July 28, 2015 11:36 AM (0rheA)

69 Ovomit said today he would win a 3rd term for President. But he's not allowed because Constitution.


....planting seeds

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at July 28, 2015 11:37 AM (7RXcs)

70 Meanwhile much lower on the radar from Drudge:

US Homeownership Drops To 48 Year Low As Median Asking Rent Soars To All Time High

Mind-Blowing Temperature Fraud AtNOAA


Just another day in Obama's "Fraud and Failure" Administration.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 28, 2015 11:38 AM (QuNQQ)

71 Ace was never really alive.

He was always just a Product of Henson's Creature Shop.

Posted by: Garrett at July 28, 2015 11:39 AM (0rheA)

72 Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at July 28, 2015 11:37 AM (7RXcs)

Too late. There's no time for the amendment process.

Now, he may just choose to ignore the constitution and run anyway, but I think that would be a bridge too far even for the Demon-crat party.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 28, 2015 11:39 AM (kff5f)

73 Obama is restoring Pell Grants for prisoners. smh

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 28, 2015 11:41 AM (iQIUe)

74 Damn bifocals, I thought Andrea T was going to be making sandwiches at the beach.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at July 28, 2015 11:41 AM (zauWW)

75 >>52
I need an app that alerts me to Ace's noods.



His nudes are always tasteful.

Like Maplethorpe, but with more fur.

Posted by: Garrett at July 28, 2015 11:42 AM (0rheA)

76 the sheeple (many anyway) are ready for totalitarianism. You can feel it.

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at July 28, 2015 11:42 AM (7RXcs)

77



NYPost

"I actually think I'm a pretty good president,"Obama said. "I think if I ran, I could win. But I can't!"


The president then uploaded a selfie on Instagram and treated himself to a nice $500.00 dinner. Later he did a Buffalo Bill tuck in the mirror and excitedly stroked himself.


I may have added that last part.




Posted by: some random meathead at July 28, 2015 11:44 AM (QuNQQ)

78 Ovomit said today he would win a 3rd term for President. But he's not allowed because Constitution....planting seeds.

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at July 28, 2015 11:37 AM


Right now, I don't think anyone who matters will try to stop him. He has already punched more holes in the Constitution than a madman with a 10-gauge, and letting him pull yet another fast one will not only ensure continued Historic Leadership, but will solve the Hillary Problem.

The MFM are drooling uncontrollably right now....

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 28, 2015 11:45 AM (rCmeG)

79 So, if I like my president, I can keep my president?

Posted by: Roman Maroni at July 28, 2015 11:45 AM (vCA4F)

80 Hope that turns out as well as all the other statements we've been promised

Posted by: Roman Maroni at July 28, 2015 11:46 AM (vCA4F)

81 Is Ace on vacation?

Posted by: prescient11 at July 28, 2015 11:46 AM (q5APL)

82 Hey Mika, suck my Huck!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 28, 2015 11:47 AM (KIRrb)

83 Without venturing into the sewer below, can we thank the makers of PP video #3 for killing the highway bill?

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at July 28, 2015 11:47 AM (zauWW)

84 the sheeple (many anyway) are ready for totalitarianism. You can feel it.

I expect they won't like the version they get: Meanwhile, in Minnesota, Sharia law is awesome.
http://is.gd/0L3bJo

Posted by: HR sits by the window and it's like a sauna in here at July 28, 2015 11:50 AM (/kI1Q)

85 ....planting seeds>>>

Kudzu?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 28, 2015 11:50 AM (81UWZ)

86 Without venturing into the sewer below, can we thank the makers of PP video #3 for killing the highway bill?

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at July 28, 2015 11:47 AM


Simple answer: no. Both continued PP funding and the highway bill will pass. We're talking about Congress here, which last displayed any courage back in 1941, when they had no other choice.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 28, 2015 11:50 AM (rCmeG)

87 So, if I like my president, I can keep my president?

Posted by: Roman Maroni at July 28, 2015 11:45 AM (vCA4F)


Are you saying......you don't LIKE your President? (presses record). Please speak loudly and state your name clearly.

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at July 28, 2015 11:50 AM (7RXcs)

88 VIA, if you're still around here's list of corporations donating to PP. Verizon is on the list.

From the Daily Signal. List of PP's 38 corporate sponsors. Initially it was 41 but Coke, Xerox, and Ford have denied.



http://preview.tinyurl.com/p46z2zo

Posted by: olddog in mo at July 28, 2015 11:53 AM (1DKA/)

89
Three types of people I cannot stand:

1) people who get cold/like the heat
2) people who dont like grilled meat
3) men who wear sandals

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 11:36 AM (h0PFb)







Even worse than sandals are flip-flops.

Flip flops are for the beach, poolside, or in a public shower. People who wear them elsewhere are almost never serious people.

I had a contractor who used to do work for our company who ALWAYS wore flip flops, mostly in the office. Used to get into serious arguments with him about it, especially when he kept coming into the shop area. Finally gave him the choice between having a gig and wearing his nasty assed flops.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 28, 2015 11:53 AM (VbHFl)

90 So nuclear missiles stomp murdered baby body parts for sale.

It's like a sick rock, paper scalpel.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 28, 2015 11:54 AM (GGCsk)

91 I expect they won't like the version they get:

They won't like any version, but they're too stupid to realize where their actions are taking them.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 28, 2015 11:55 AM (2l5vw)

92 >>PP video #3


That's the one where Lucy and Ethel get jobs working the line at the Baby Parts Factory, right?

Posted by: Garrett at July 28, 2015 11:55 AM (0rheA)

93 I like wearing sandals. So did Jesus.

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at July 28, 2015 11:56 AM (7RXcs)

94
And grown men dont wear short pants.

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 11:56 AM (h0PFb)

95 >>Flip flops are for the beach, poolside, or in a public shower. People who wear them elsewhere are almost never serious people.

I live at the beach and you can have my flops when you pry them from my cold dead feet.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 28, 2015 11:57 AM (OGm46)

96 Flip flops are for the beach, poolside, or in a public shower. People who wear them elsewhere are almost never serious people.
>>>

They are standard issue in county jail and Gitmo. So some people that wear them are serious.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 28, 2015 11:57 AM (81UWZ)

97 It's like a sick rock, paper scalpel. Posted by: Marcus T at July 28, 2015 11:54 AM

I suggest keeping an eye on Choom Boy and Congress. This PP stuff looks to me as if it could be a Squirrel!11!! to provide diversion for yet another horrifying POS executive or congressional action.

Won't be the first time, if it is.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 28, 2015 11:57 AM (rCmeG)

98 And grown men dont wear short pants.

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 11:56 AM (h0PFb)


Alright George Will, not everyone wants to wear a suit and tie to the ballpark.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 28, 2015 11:59 AM (TOk1P)

99 So nuclear missiles stomp murdered baby body parts for sale.

Well the vid stomped it first, so it's more of a see-saw action.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 28, 2015 12:00 PM (2l5vw)

100 So nuclear missiles stomp murdered baby body parts for sale.

It's like a sick rock, paper scalpel.




It's like a sick rock, paper, scalpel, spleen.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 28, 2015 12:00 PM (jTo7g)

101 3) men who wear sandals

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 11:36 AM


^^^This.

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 28, 2015 12:01 PM (ZQfW9)

102 I once told a guy that whenever I see an "adult" male wearing flip flops with jeans I want to "accidentally" step on their toes. He then gave me permission to do so.

<shudder>

Posted by: BurtTC at July 28, 2015 12:02 PM (TOk1P)

103 So any story's from the Gettysburg trip? Did the make bail?

Posted by: wrg500 at July 28, 2015 12:04 PM (S+el1)

104 Woohoo!....my website still freezes up when I access it.

I have no policy statements or points on my website either so no one knows my policy towards Israel but you of the great unwashed only need to know how to work, obey and fight for your betters.

Also, I have nice pictures of my fat ass in restaurants with my bad teeth on the site if your interested.

Vote Jeb!2016...Because I am fatter and have more hair than Mussolini.

Posted by: Jeb Bush at July 28, 2015 12:05 PM (D0NZx)

105 Not that it matters, but the Times of Israel is reporting that Jon Cary is jetting back to the ME next week on his way to speechify in Singapore. But he is not stopping in Israel.

Please try not to be surprised.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 28, 2015 12:06 PM (rCmeG)

106 These kids today, with their floppy sandals and their dungarees...

Posted by: George Will at July 28, 2015 12:06 PM (0rheA)

107
Nobody wants to see all your little toe cocks. Wear shoes.

Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 12:08 PM (h0PFb)

108 I agree that the Iran deal falls outside the purview of the Ratification Clause but on other grounds.


A "deal" between two or more countries is a treaty. And that requires ratification.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 28, 2015 12:08 PM (GpgJl)

109 Test of new cable modem and possibly new hash...

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 28, 2015 12:08 PM (nXeSu)

110 No short-pants for the fella's, and no open toed shoes either.

While we're at it, no belts below the naval.

Posted by: Gregory Peck at July 28, 2015 12:08 PM (5npD/)

111 Nobody wants to see all your little toe cocks. Wear shoes.

And socks with sandals is an abomination.

And for God's sake, no goddamn Crocs.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 28, 2015 12:09 PM (2l5vw)

112 *Navel

Posted by: Gregory Peck at July 28, 2015 12:09 PM (5npD/)

113 nood

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 28, 2015 12:09 PM (GpgJl)

114 A "deal" between two or more countries is a treaty. And that requires ratification. Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 28, 2015 12:08 PM

That's such a pre-2009 attitude, Vic.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 28, 2015 12:09 PM (rCmeG)

115 Heh.
http://is.gd/SX6LHo

Posted by: HR sits by the window and it's like a sauna in here at July 28, 2015 12:10 PM (/kI1Q)

116 Is Ace on vacation?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 28, 2015 12:11 PM (so+oy)

117 98
And grown men dont wear short pants.



Posted by: Soothsayer II at July 28, 2015 11:56 AM (h0PFb)


Alright George Will, not everyone wants to wear a suit and tie to the ballpark.

*
*
Agreed; grown men shouldn't dress like Bart Simpson. As for the other, well, let's bring back a dress shirt with rolled-up sleeves, slacks, a loosened tie, and a straw fedora cocked back on your head, 1940s style. Sounds good to me.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 28, 2015 12:11 PM (QrB1r)

118 "An airborne EMP is absolutely terrifying.
Shipping-trucking food, communications-emergency instructions,
electricity-water purity, electronic payment."

This is all BS. An EMP would barely do anything. I'm a lot more worried about plain old getting nuked.

Posted by: Chris M at July 28, 2015 12:11 PM (k3w9p)

119 Most peoples feet are pretty gross...only babies feet look cute, I suppose the ones at PP looked good too.

Posted by: Colin at July 28, 2015 12:13 PM (ui6x3)

120
When long pants at the beach are outlawed, only outlaws will wear long pants to the beach. And illegal aliens.

Posted by: wth at July 28, 2015 12:15 PM (wAQA5)

121 119
Most peoples feet are pretty gross...

*
*
Not all, thank goodness. Check out Charlize Theron, Nicole Kidman, and Liv Tyler!

Posted by: Heel & Arch Fanciers, Inc. at July 28, 2015 12:15 PM (QrB1r)

122 sock-b-gone!

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 28, 2015 12:27 PM (Ta3hG)

123
Last!

Posted by: wth at July 28, 2015 12:32 PM (wAQA5)

124 Errr...

Why did the other thread get unned?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 28, 2015 12:38 PM (kff5f)

125 Speaking of clown shows, more disappearing posts.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 28, 2015 12:39 PM (TOk1P)

126
Oh, deleting threads is a thing now?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 28, 2015 12:39 PM (kdS6q)

127 I literally just saw a thread titled Trumpmentum and then it's gone.


What the fuck is going on?

Posted by: prescient11 at July 28, 2015 12:39 PM (q5APL)

128 Uhhhh...latest piss-on-Trump thread done gone away....

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 28, 2015 12:39 PM (rCmeG)

129 Seriously, this is pretty weird.

First Weirddave's post over the weekend, and now a DrewM post...

Are any posts calling the DOPe to task for not taking constituent concerns seriously beyond the pale for some reason?

Or did I miss something else?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 28, 2015 12:40 PM (kff5f)

130 The GOPe is really doing all they can to stomp out the Trumpmania.

Posted by: SH at July 28, 2015 12:40 PM (gmeXX)

131 WE CANNOT HAZ TRUMP NOW?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 28, 2015 12:40 PM (wtvvX)

132 Offsides, two posts in a row not from Malor.

Posted by: SpongeBobMoocowski at July 28, 2015 12:40 PM (zauWW)

133 1st on the last...or something!

Posted by: TBD at July 28, 2015 12:41 PM (L6DSu)

134 Offsides, two posts in a row not from Malor.

Posted by: SpongeBobMoocowski at July 28, 2015 12:40 PM (zauWW)


Maybe that's it. It wasn't Drew's turn for a new post yet.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 28, 2015 12:41 PM (kff5f)

135 DELETE!!!


I AM THE LAW!

Posted by: Rick F'n Wilson! at July 28, 2015 12:41 PM (TOk1P)

136 Do we lose the down too?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 28, 2015 12:41 PM (wtvvX)

137
Who stole the Trumpet?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 28, 2015 12:41 PM (VbHFl)

138 Kablooey!!!!

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 28, 2015 12:41 PM (LA7Cm)

139 This is starting to form a pattern, isn't it?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 28, 2015 12:41 PM (VPLuQ)

140 In a Trump presidency, no threads would disappear.

Posted by: SH at July 28, 2015 12:41 PM (gmeXX)

141 Do not post in the Trump thread! It's a trap!

Posted by: Admiral Akbar at July 28, 2015 12:42 PM (02oLK)

142 Drudge headline:

'I AM CAIT' Debuts Soft in Ratings...



Hormones, I guess.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 28, 2015 12:42 PM (oVJmc)

143 FAULTY..... ERROR....STER-I-LIIIIZE.....

Posted by: NOMAD at July 28, 2015 12:42 PM (wtvvX)

144 Good. Lets get back to arguing about the important things, flip flops and shorts.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 28, 2015 12:42 PM (OGm46)

145 What the hell just happen? A chipmunk croak or something?

Posted by: wrg500 at July 28, 2015 12:42 PM (S+el1)

146 Will a cob explain the disappearing threads thing? It's freaky.

Posted by: @votermom at July 28, 2015 12:42 PM (cbfNE)

147 "In short, Obama ran on an anti-nuclear proliferation platform and will
in the end be responsible for a major escalation in the spread of
nuclear weapons."

The Nobel Peace Prize committee called while you were out.

They were pretty drunk, and babbling something in Norwegian. I tried to take notes but didn't really get anything down before they hung up. I think they might have been crying too.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 28, 2015 12:42 PM (noWW6)

148 WTF the Trump thing disappeared? And people were being fairly civil in the comments...

Posted by: nnptcrad at July 28, 2015 12:42 PM (Mxs5H)

149 Ace fell into the wormhole that keeps swallowing posts, didn't he?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 28, 2015 12:42 PM (oVJmc)

150 I bid 3 no trump.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 28, 2015 12:42 PM (S+el1)

151 Seriously why did that thread get pulled?

Posted by: buzzion at July 28, 2015 12:43 PM (zt+N6)

152 Oh, and Fuck Obama.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 28, 2015 12:43 PM (wtvvX)

153 They were pretty drunk, and babbling something in Norwegian. I tried to take notes but didn't really get anything down before they hung up. I think they might have been crying too.

I wonder if the next President will get the Peace Prize for being "not-Obama."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 28, 2015 12:43 PM (kff5f)

154 I believe I called it this morning: Dueling Drew and Gabe posts today.

Sadly, tridents would have been more fun to watch.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 28, 2015 12:43 PM (TOk1P)

155 everyone knows kerry is a fool.....now he's getting raked in the hearings.....hahahahhaha

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 28, 2015 12:43 PM (0O7c5)

156 Strange things...and Ace is mia...jeez!

Posted by: TBD at July 28, 2015 12:43 PM (L6DSu)

157 Ace is absent.


And so are some threads.



HMMMM.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 28, 2015 12:43 PM (VPLuQ)

158
Fun Fact:

Per OregonMuse, only those who can post threads under their own name can delete threads. So, it's not anyone using the "Open Blogger" account.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 28, 2015 12:43 PM (kdS6q)

159 Will a cob explain the disappearing threads thing? It's freaky.

Posted by: @votermom at July 28, 2015 12:42 PM


Only thing I can figure is that teh Corpulent "Captain" must now be a cob-logger here.

If the word "revolution" gets disappeared, we'll know for sure.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 28, 2015 12:44 PM (rCmeG)

160 As I said before it was nuked. It would be unreasonable to expect a candidate that was excluded from debate (or lost the GOP primary) to not run 3rd party.

Posted by: SpongeBobMoocowski at July 28, 2015 12:44 PM (zauWW)

161 Ace is caught in the Tholian interphase and posts keep getting pulled in behind him...

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 28, 2015 12:44 PM (oVJmc)

162 'I AM CAIT' Debuts Soft in Ratings...

I read a review that said it felt more like a panel discussion than a reality show--no conflict between the participants, no horrible train wrecks in the making to tease for the next episode.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 28, 2015 12:44 PM (/kI1Q)

163 "So, it's not anyone using the "Open Blogger" account."

That would narrow it down a little, wouldn't it.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 28, 2015 12:44 PM (VPLuQ)

164 It's a madhouse! A madhouse.....

Posted by: Charlton Heston as Rick Wilson at July 28, 2015 12:44 PM (l3vZN)

165 "Ace is absent.


And so are some threads. "




Suppose there's been a coup?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 28, 2015 12:44 PM (LA7Cm)

166 Why are Trump posts getting deleted.....?

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 28, 2015 12:45 PM (PFy0L)

167 Dammit, stop disappearing the posts!

Posted by: AngelEm, delurking at July 28, 2015 12:45 PM (LEtDB)

168 I wonder if the next President will get the Peace Prize for being "not-Obama."

Bernie might get one for his war on deodorant...

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 28, 2015 12:45 PM (/kI1Q)

169 Posted by: SpongeBobMoocowski at July 28, 2015 12:44 PM (zauWW)

I agree about the debate thing, not so much the "lost the primary" thing.

And, if I recall the quote correctly, that's more or less what Trump actually said- if the DOPe doesn't play by the *current* rules, either just by ignoring them or rewriting them at the 11th hour, then he'll consider a 3rd party bid.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 28, 2015 12:45 PM (kff5f)

170 Or...as I suggested on the Thread That Never Was,

did Ace sell the Blog, to Trump?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 28, 2015 12:45 PM (VPLuQ)

171 Why are Trump posts getting deleted.....?

-----

Wait - has there been more than one post deleted?

Posted by: SH at July 28, 2015 12:45 PM (gmeXX)

172 165- Oh god, a furball in a black trashbag is going to be discovered in some random storage unit in six months...

Posted by: nnptcrad at July 28, 2015 12:46 PM (Mxs5H)

173 ?????

Posted by: Peaches at July 28, 2015 12:46 PM (EgOr3)

174 did Ace sell the Blog, to Trump?

-----

You'll know he did when the page becomes very tacky looking.

So maybe.

Posted by: SH at July 28, 2015 12:46 PM (gmeXX)

175 "Wait - has there been more than one post deleted? "


Second one. Just now.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 28, 2015 12:47 PM (LA7Cm)

176 did Ace sell the Blog, to Trump?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 28, 2015 12:45 PM (VPLuQ)


Then why would Weirddave's post, or the most recent one by Drew have been unned?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 28, 2015 12:47 PM (kff5f)

177 This isn't surprising, but it is very telling-

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-secretly-met-with-obama-worked-in-concert-with-white-house/

*clown nose on*

So, John Stewart was in essence Obama's Joseph Goebbels.

*makes weird surprised face*

*clown nose off*

Posted by: naturalfake at July 28, 2015 12:47 PM (KUa85)

178 Wait - has there been more than one post deleted?
Posted by: SH
--------

? I just posted to thread that seems to have disappeared

Posted by: mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 28, 2015 12:47 PM (9mTYi)

179 Confused


Like the gop

Posted by: traye at July 28, 2015 12:47 PM (fM8JG)

180 Ah, apparently an editing f-up.

Posted by: nnptcrad at July 28, 2015 12:47 PM (Mxs5H)

181 "So, it's not anyone using the "Open Blogger" account."



That would narrow it down a little, wouldn't it.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 28, 2015 12:44 PM (VPLuQ)


Exactly. Which is why I was trying to clarify this point yesterday. There are only a few people with the power to do that. Gabe is one. So is Drew. Maet, and a few others. Including Ace.


If Ace wants to delete posts, it would be nice if he said so. Given his absence though, I doubt it's him. Whoever it is then, the person with those privileges, is abusing that power if they do it and don't bother to explain.


Plain and simple.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 28, 2015 12:47 PM (TOk1P)

182
162 'I AM CAIT' Debuts Soft in Ratings...

I read a review that said it felt more like a panel discussion than a reality show--no conflict between the participants, no horrible train wrecks in the making to tease for the next episode.


Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 28, 2015 12:44 PM (/kI1Q)


I bet they thought the show would be a great idea. But then came to the realization that any "conflict" would get the SJWs upset because Jenner could look bad or the accusations of "trans-hate" would start flying at others on the show. So can't have the normal fake reality show conflict so they wind up with more the documentary type program. Which I'm sure its ratings were "great" for that type of show. You know the sort that is shown on Bravo or TLC.

Posted by: buzzion at July 28, 2015 12:48 PM (zt+N6)

183 "Wait - has there been more than one post deleted?"

That would be the second thread with the same general topic which has gone *POOF* in the last two days.

Hence the reference to "The Thread That Never Was".

And now I guess, TTTNW-2

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 28, 2015 12:48 PM (VPLuQ)

184 Aaand... now it's back.

It's disappearing, reappearing ink!

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 28, 2015 12:48 PM (kff5f)

185 TTTNW-2 is back

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 28, 2015 12:49 PM (VPLuQ)

186 Trump post is back.

Posted by: buzzion at July 28, 2015 12:49 PM (zt+N6)

187 Trump of Spades?

Doesn't have a ring to it.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 28, 2015 12:49 PM (1aNPq)

188 "Somebody's doing the raping."


Trump
2016

Posted by: prescient11 at July 28, 2015 12:55 PM (q5APL)

189 But then came to the realization that any "conflict" would get the SJWs
upset because Jenner could look bad or the accusations of "trans-hate"
would start flying at others on the show.


Probably. There's a scene where Jenner's mom and sister meet him dressed up as Cait for the first time, and they display no emotions. Not sure if that's real, or scripted, or if they edited out all the responses...but it's boring TV.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 28, 2015 01:01 PM (/kI1Q)

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