No, The Lafayette Gunman Did Not Buy His Gun Legally

Update: And just like that, the most important words in the original post became "[p]resuming the reported involuntary commitment order is correct ...".

The man who killed two people in a Louisiana movie theater last week was able to legally purchase a gun despite a judge’s order sending him to a mental hospital in 2008 because he was never involuntarily committed for treatment, a county probate judge told The Washington Post on Monday.

Original post below.

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Various versions of this story are all over the news.

Lafayette theater shooter bought gun legally, police say
(CNN) [perpetrator's name redacted -- Andy] methodically shot 11 people in a Lafayette, Louisiana, movie theater using a handgun he legally purchased from an Alabama pawn shop, authorities said Friday.
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The gun [perpetrator] used, a Hi-Point .40-caliber semiautomatic pistol, was legally purchased in February 2014 from a shop in Phenix City, Alabama, [Lafayette Police Chief Jim ] Craft said, citing the the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Drew Griffin, a senior investigative correspondent for CNN, said it appears [perpetrator] was cleared to buy the gun because he didn't have any convictions for serious crimes.
"He just didn't show up on any of the instant background checks," Griffin said.

That's interesting, because according to this piece:

Soon after, [perpetrator] visited the home of another relative, who called police to complain that he was threatening her. The county issued an involuntary commitment order for [perpetrator] after the family said they feared he was “a danger to himself and others,” the documents said. The court also issued a protective order in 2008 requiring that he not stalk, harass or try to contact his wife, his daughter, her fiance or the fiance’s family.

Say, these sound exactly like a couple of the questions on Form 4473 (PDF) that answering "Yes" to would result in a blocked purchase (and commission of a felony).

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I've read other pieces that indicate the protective order may have been dropped, but the county's involuntary commitment order should make him a prohibited person, and he should be flagged in NICS resulting in an inability to pass the background check run by the FFL.

Presuming the reported involuntary commitment order is correct, it appears that this wasn't a "legal purchase" at all. It looks more like yet another NICS failure that allowed a prohibited person to acquire a firearm from a federally licensed firearms dealer.

A NICS denial likely wouldn't have prevented him from ultimately acquiring a gun or committing an act of mass murder with another weapon like knives or gasoline, but it is important that we properly assess the flaws in the existing system as the anti-gunners continue to bleat about "universal background checks" and the like, which will continue the pattern of burdening law-abiding citizens' second amendment rights while failing to prevent criminals from acquiring firearms.

Posted by: Andy at 12:26 PM

Comments

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1 You know who shouldn't own a firearm?

Cher.

That woman be off her meds, typing all in CAPS, yelling about shit, crazy.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 27, 2015 12:27 PM (VPLuQ)

2 Obviously the only solution is more gun laws.

Posted by: Republicans at July 27, 2015 12:27 PM (7wyDO)

3 I assume the same clowns that administer the NICS database will be handling the Iran nuke inspections.

Posted by: Roy at July 27, 2015 12:28 PM (VndSC)

4
He also was a SCOAMF voter/supporter. Story will disappear faster than a WeirdDave post . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 27, 2015 12:29 PM (St6BJ)

5 "I assume the same clowns that administer the NICS database will be handling the Iran nuke inspections.'

And healthcare.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 27, 2015 12:29 PM (VPLuQ)

Posted by: some random meathead - Haikus from the Burning Times at July 27, 2015 12:30 PM (/m9uo)

7 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 27, 2015 12:30 PM (kff5f)

8 Yeah, but they also deny guns to people who.shouldn't be prohibited so it all balances out.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 27, 2015 12:30 PM (KIRrb)

9 5 "I assume the same clowns that administer the NICS database will be handling the Iran nuke inspections.'

And healthcare.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 27, 2015 12:29 PM (VPLuQ)

Otherwise known as the branch office of the New York DMV.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 27, 2015 12:30 PM (St6BJ)

10 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 27, 2015 12:31 PM (kff5f)

11 During an interview on CNN Rick Perry says "gun-free zones are a bad idea."

Alternate Title : 'Heavily Medicated Blind Squirrel Finds Nut'

Posted by: some random meathead at July 27, 2015 12:31 PM (/m9uo)

12 The question we should be asking ourselves is, "how quickly will banning the Confederate flag save more innocent lives in movie theaters?"

Also, isn't this proof that the baby crushing at planned parenthood is just a hoax?

Posted by: MSNBC at July 27, 2015 12:31 PM (7wyDO)

13 You know what this situation needs? Some more government.

Posted by: A Proper Southern Gentleman at July 27, 2015 12:31 PM (cYntP)

14 You don't mean... he lied do you? Because that would be against the law, and no one would ever do anything against the law!

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 27, 2015 12:31 PM (kff5f)

15 Insulting us is clear enough evidence of mental illness. To the rubber room with the lot of you.

GARCON! This bellini is too wet!

Posted by: Your GOP Betters at July 27, 2015 12:31 PM (VY8H5)

16 11 During an interview on CNN Rick Perry says "gun-free zones are a bad idea."

Alternate Title : 'Heavily Medicated Blind Squirrel Finds Nut'
Posted by: some random meathead at July 27, 2015 12:31 PM (/m9uo)

Perry should have said, "gun free zones will lead us to the ovens."

And in a sense they will.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 27, 2015 12:32 PM (St6BJ)

17 committing an act of mass murder with another weapon like knives or gasoline

Or Obamacare.

Posted by: HR is slow to shift gears on new threads at July 27, 2015 12:32 PM (/kI1Q)

18
Can we ban Confederate fags? Compromise, yo.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 27, 2015 12:33 PM (St6BJ)

19 "The question we should be asking ourselves is, "how quickly will banning the Confederate flag save more innocent lives in movie theaters?""

You know, since NASCAR banned them, they haven't had a single racially motivated shooting.

So, they could be on to something.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 27, 2015 12:33 PM (VPLuQ)

20 I don't know - the DMV in the Boston area could give any incompetent bureaucratic entity a run for its money.

Posted by: A Proper Southern Gentleman at July 27, 2015 12:33 PM (cYntP)

21 Cuckfederates

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 27, 2015 12:34 PM (oFCZn)

22 Insulting us is clear enough evidence of mental illness.

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Barky threw a shit fit in Kenya about how those damn cuckservatives are launching ad hominem attacks.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 27, 2015 12:34 PM (KIRrb)

23 Quick question: Do we know if Adulazeez's guns were bought legally? In his name? And what guns did he use?

Odd, isn't it, that we've just skipped past all that stuff for him, eh?

Posted by: Lizzy at July 27, 2015 12:34 PM (NOIQH)

24 20 I don't know - the DMV in the Boston area could give any incompetent bureaucratic entity a run for its money.
Posted by: A Proper Southern Gentleman at July 27, 2015 12:33 PM (cYntP)

Standing on line (in line for non-New Yorkers) at the Brooklyn DMV is akin to one of Dante's circles of Hell

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 27, 2015 12:35 PM (St6BJ)

25 Please stay on the Wierddave disappearing post story J.J.
You get listened to, at least some, around here.

And thanks to those who posted the archive address for the post a couple of threads back.
Still want to get Dave's permission to use it though. With or without attribution.

Posted by: teej-tiny print banned at July 27, 2015 12:35 PM (fE9nD)

26 Remember: the more complicated the law, the better it is and the more talking points it affords.

Of course, psychotics can't make a cup of coffee so complex laws are probably not the way forward for them.

Posted by: Patchy at July 27, 2015 12:36 PM (OsKkI)

27 25 Please stay on the Wierddave disappearing post story J.J.
You get listened to, at least some, around here.

And thanks to those who posted the archive address for the post a couple of threads back.
Still want to get Dave's permission to use it though. With or without attribution.
Posted by: teej-tiny print banned at July 27, 2015 12:35 PM (fE9nD)

I have no power or influence here whatsoever. I usually see his posts on Saturday. If he posted something Sunday I didn't see it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 27, 2015 12:37 PM (St6BJ)

28 >>I don't know - the DMV in the Boston area could give any incompetent bureaucratic entity a run for its money.

Or the Post Office's personnel handling passports.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 27, 2015 12:38 PM (NOIQH)

29 And thanks to those who posted the archive address for the post a couple of threads back.
Still want to get Dave's permission to use it though. With or without attribution.

Posted by: teej-tiny print banned at July 27, 2015 12:35 PM (fE9nD)

I read it and didn't see anything wrong with it. A standard attacking the GOPe post.

*shrugs*

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 27, 2015 12:38 PM (oFCZn)

30 MEXICO CITY -- Mexico's attorney general says authorities have found at least 60 mass graves with 129 bodies in the southern city of Iguala since the disappearance of 43 college students there last September, a case in which the government says the youths were killed and incinerated.

Posted by: Pancho at July 27, 2015 12:39 PM (e8kgV)

31 I assume the same clowns that administer the NICS database will be handling the Iran nuke inspections.

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That's ridiculous. Totally different set of clowns.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 27, 2015 12:39 PM (WiU5D)

32 I also bet that if AllenG got legitimately banned for something (like you did) and not caught in the spam filter he would respect the ban and not return (unlike you)

Posted by: buzzion at July 27, 2015 12:40 PM (zt+N6)

33 Hmm, my bad.
Must have misunderstood your @4.
Now, off to search for Dave's site.

Posted by: teej-tiny print banned at July 27, 2015 12:40 PM (fE9nD)

34
Rush reporting hearing Doug Schoen and Pat Caddell stating that Hilary's present drain-circling is catnip to Horseface entering the race, by virtue of his triumphant Iran deal. I'd laugh but too many people will nod in agreement.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 27, 2015 12:40 PM (St6BJ)

35 30 MEXICO CITY -- Mexico's attorney general says authorities have found at least 60 mass graves with 129 bodies in the southern city of Iguala since the disappearance of 43 college students there last September, a case in which the government says the youths were killed and incinerated.

Posted by: Pancho at July 27, 2015 12:39 PM (e8kgV)

Can you imagine how many graves there must be up in northern Mexico in the desert? They've probably been burying people there for decades.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 27, 2015 12:41 PM (oFCZn)

36 damn wrong thread

Posted by: buzzion at July 27, 2015 12:42 PM (zt+N6)

37 I feel like the 2nd amendment is the one difference between repubs and dems. That's literally it.

Posted by: BacktoGA at July 27, 2015 12:42 PM (lLbuu)

38 >>I also bet that if AllenG got legitimately banned for something (like you did) and not caught in the spam filter he would respect the ban and not return (unlike you)

Wrong thread.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 27, 2015 12:42 PM (OGm46)

39 But let's pretend he did legally buy the firearm, that's just as big an indictment against gun control, if not bigger. It didn't make a difference even when he was forced to go through the proper legal channels. So how are more hoops to jump through going to help?

I almost think it's worse if he bought the gun illegally, then you can make all sorts of cases about cracking down and having law enforcement get more involved in the sale of guns.

Posted by: McAdams at July 27, 2015 12:42 PM (QH9i5)

40 I read it and didn't see anything wrong with it.

When you can't spot racism that means you're a racist.
Isn't that what they say?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 27, 2015 12:43 PM (W5DcG)

41 40 I read it and didn't see anything wrong with it.

When you can't spot racism that means you're a racist.
Isn't that what they say?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 27, 2015 12:43 PM (W5DcG)

Huh? The one I read was about Rick Wilson.

Did I miss something?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 27, 2015 12:44 PM (oFCZn)

42 @ 40 - "When you can't spot racism that means you're a racist.
Isn't that what they say?"

It's a sign that you're obviously blind to your own white privilege.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 27, 2015 12:45 PM (Maary)

43 Is the argument about whether or which kind of gun control?

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 27, 2015 12:45 PM (l2Gqi)

44 Posted by: buzzion at July 27, 2015 12:40 PM (zt+N6

Wait, what? Who got bannenated?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 27, 2015 12:46 PM (kff5f)

45 Trusted: Iran Mullahs with nukes and inspections.

Not trusted: law abiding citizens with CBF and natural right to self-defense.

Posted by: rebel flounder at July 27, 2015 12:46 PM (Vf5rR)

46 Was someone yelling about me again?

And I missed it?

D*mn working at work.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 27, 2015 12:46 PM (kff5f)

47 44 Posted by: buzzion at July 27, 2015 12:40 PM (zt+N6

Wait, what? Who got bannenated?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 27, 2015 12:46 PM (kff5f)

I dunno. But Sharpton got manipsonated.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 27, 2015 12:47 PM (St6BJ)

48 It is indeed another fed background check failure. It also is a total Alabama check failure. And at the very least, the restraining order and confiscation of his weapons previously, would be enough for the issuance of the latter requesting clarification of a background issue that is usually generated in these circumstances.

Posted by: pat at July 27, 2015 12:47 PM (nwnmt)

49 Cher.

That woman be off her meds, typing all in CAPS, yelling about shit, crazy.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 27, 2015 12:27 PM (VPLuQ)

well her kids turned out OK

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at July 27, 2015 12:47 PM (7RXcs)

50 This country needs a reboot. Tear it all down and start from scratch, the way it was from the beginning. Just rip all the established laws, agencies, structures, and systems to the base and start over. We need a Founder Party that has this at its core: clearly things have gone horribly wrong and need to restart from scratch. Either we do it voluntarily or it happens to us eventually.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 27, 2015 12:47 PM (39g3+)

51 Speaking of which, Alabama's governour just lifted the state's ban on guns at rest areas.

http://tinyurl.com/o3l9xzm

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 27, 2015 12:47 PM (Maary)

52 Well, shit.

Posted by: Andy at July 27, 2015 12:47 PM (piD6/)

53 D*mn working at work.

Your contributions to the Social Security trust fund are greatly appreciated.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at July 27, 2015 12:48 PM (zauWW)

54 So it's very important to determine the technical details of legality when a PP official is harvesting baby organs for profilt, but we shouldn't care if the mentally unstable person who shot a number of people purchased his gun legally.

Got it.

Posted by: joe at July 27, 2015 12:48 PM (KUaJL)

55 And I missed it?
D*mn working at work.

I know, right? WTF is up with that?
They pretend to pay you, you pretend to work.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 27, 2015 12:48 PM (vxBxx)

56 That's IT! No more mental institutions for me!

Posted by: Weasel at July 27, 2015 12:48 PM (6xtq3)

57 @ 44 - "Wait, what? Who got bannenated?"

I think some dude got banned for rickrolling?

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 27, 2015 12:49 PM (Maary)

58 Half-nuts, that's all I ever heard...

Posted by: Cher at July 27, 2015 12:49 PM (Dwehj)

59 I keep hearing that the Charleston Shooter leveraged a loophole that the NICS didn't get back to them in time.
CNN keeps pushing that even though I'm fairly certain it's false. (What happened is that the NICS data wasn't accurate, which is a separate issue.)

It matters because I'm sure this is a Trojan horse to push waiting periods even longer and/or make them mandatory for all guns (including my future .22 plinking rifle.)

Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at July 27, 2015 12:50 PM (U8W/7)

60 I thought this clown made a private, person2person, purchase where NICS doesn't come into play?

Is this not why the gungrabber nutjobs are all over this to get the 'universal background' push so that even private purchases require a NICS check?

Posted by: exsanguine at July 27, 2015 12:50 PM (Pd1/b)

61 Standing on line (in line for non-New Yorkers)

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I'm sophisticated. I queue.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 27, 2015 12:50 PM (XUKZU)

62 That's IT! No more mental institutions for me!

Two's my limit.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 27, 2015 12:50 PM (vxBxx)

63 I know racism when I see it. White people have it.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 27, 2015 12:51 PM (XUKZU)

64 11 -

Yeah, I'm going to go with "interviews on CNN are part of the problem with you, Rick Perry."

Still clueless, he is.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2015 12:52 PM (n5IO9)

65 I'm confused by the update (although I seem to be confused by everything these days) and refuse to pollute my soul by going over to WaPo. Are they walking back their original claims?

Posted by: Really potent weed at July 27, 2015 12:52 PM (RD7QR)

66 You know what this situation needs? Some more government."

More gas taxes, stat!

(whoops. Same point on 3 different threads. I'm in trouble, si?)

Posted by: anon a mouse at July 27, 2015 12:52 PM (C9pBZ)

67 I think we can still be unified. There's something I think we all can agree on:

Caitlyn is now a Fashion Icon in every sense of the word.

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at July 27, 2015 12:52 PM (7RXcs)

68
He was able to conceal a HiPoint .40? Was he wearing a trench coat?
Those things are very bulky. Makes Glocks look svelte.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 27, 2015 12:53 PM (8marX)

69 Eh, ganja sock off.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 27, 2015 12:54 PM (RD7QR)

70 MEXICO CITY -- Mexico's attorney general says authorities have found at least 60 mass graves with 129 bodies in the southern city of Iguala since the disappearance of 43 college students there last September, a case in which the government says the youths were killed and incinerated.

Posted by: Pancho at July 27, 2015 12:39 PM (e8kgV)

Mexico has really strong gun control. It makes it so much easier to massacre the peons when they have no means of fighting back.

Posted by: rd at July 27, 2015 12:54 PM (KV+L+)

71 You know who shouldn't own a firearm?
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Bruce Jenner.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 27, 2015 12:54 PM (9mTYi)

72 "governour" do we have a damn foreigner in here?

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at July 27, 2015 12:54 PM (7RXcs)

73 Yeah, I'm going to go with "interviews on CNN are part of the problem with you, Rick Perry."

If they don't get their word out, we complain that they are worthless and not doing their job.
If they go on news channels to get their word out, we call them idiots and sellouts.

Small wonder the GOP elite gave up on conservatives. You can't win.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 27, 2015 12:54 PM (39g3+)

74
I don't know - the DMV in the Boston area could give any incompetent bureaucratic entity a run for its money.
Posted by: A Proper Southern Gentleman at July 27, 2015 12:33 PM (cYntP)

Pfffft! Dilettantes.

Posted by: California DMV at July 27, 2015 12:54 PM (VbHFl)

75 It's a sign that you're obviously blind to your own white privilege.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 27, 2015 12:45 PM (Maary)

SJW's talking up that 'white privilege' stuff gets under my skin like nothing else. I grew up poor--not like I'm reverse-bragging about it: it's just a fact. I can tell you without equivocation there isn't a whole lot of white privilege going on in a trailer court.

Posted by: troyriser at July 27, 2015 12:55 PM (XHR9b)

76 "I keep hearing that the Charleston Shooter leveraged a loophole that the NICS didn't get back to them in time. "

I know that in Maryland the State does not use the NICS system.
We use our own in-house system.
And Maryland law says that they have seven business days to process your application to purchase a regulated weapon (Handgun).

If the dealer does not get an answer from the State, at the end of the seven business days, the law says that the dealer MAY release the weapon to the customer.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 27, 2015 12:55 PM (VPLuQ)

77 "governour" do we have a damn foreigner in here?

Burn the witch!

Posted by: rickb223 at July 27, 2015 12:55 PM (vxBxx)

78 You know, since NASCAR banned them, they haven't had a single racially motivated shooting.

As empty as the stands were yesterday at Indy a person could fire off a shotgun and have no worries of hitting anyone.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 27, 2015 12:55 PM (kQBSd)

79 "He was able to conceal a HiPoint .40?"

Not very pretty are they.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 27, 2015 12:55 PM (LA7Cm)

80 Phenix City is a shithole's shithole. For historical perspective, it's the town they based the James Garner movie 'Tank' on, because Patton once actually took tanks there and threatened to level the dump to spring troops who were being jailed for shakedown money. They were still warning us not to go there when I was at Benning in the 80's. The sun probably shines illegally there.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 27, 2015 12:56 PM (Kucy5)

81 why I hate foreigners, they're all racists

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at July 27, 2015 12:56 PM (7RXcs)

82 My google-fu is weak today.

Can someone hook a mug up with a link to Weird Dave's blog?

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at July 27, 2015 12:57 PM (UPYPp)

83
I am kind of surprised this shooting went off the MFM radar so quickly. Must be a Repub prez candidate that needs some attacking or something.

And also a thread where I get to say why I can never be elected to anything: I believe the 2nd amendment should interpreted to say that any citizen not incarcerated and of age has the RIGHT to own and carry a firearm.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 27, 2015 12:57 PM (ODxAs)

84 I always bought my guns from whom ever, where ever, and for what ever. No background check, no tax stamps none of that BS. Try it sometimes, it's very liberating, you know what I mean?

Damn syphilis.....

Posted by: Zombie Al Capone at July 27, 2015 12:57 PM (D0NZx)

85 The man who killed two people in a Louisiana movie theater last week was able to legally purchase a gun despite a judge's order sending him to a mental hospital in 2008 because he was never involuntarily committed for treatment,

Moot.

ABC Jul 24, 2015
"Houser applied for a pistol permit in Alabama in 2006, Russell County Sheriff Heath Taylor said today. But the permit was denied because he had been arrested in connection to an arson case in Georgia in 1989 or 1990, and there was a report of domestic violence against him in 2005, the sheriff said."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 27, 2015 12:58 PM (VY8H5)

86 And, once again, the matter is that no one bothers paying attention to the mentally ill...?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 27, 2015 12:58 PM (oVJmc)

87 Huge, interconnected databases maintained by huge, interconnected bureaucracies may well often be inaccurate or incomplete? The deuce you say!

Posted by: Stu-22 at July 27, 2015 12:58 PM (RMOpc)

88
"He was able to conceal a HiPoint .40?"

Not very pretty are they.

Like a ray gun in the toy aisle at Walmart.

Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at July 27, 2015 12:58 PM (Dwehj)

89 I think some dude got banned for rickrolling?

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Oh, poor, poor maddogg and his cheater womyn links.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 27, 2015 12:59 PM (/Ho8c)

90 You know with the history DoJ has with F and F it would be outside the realm of possibility that those asshat wouldn't let a few bad sales go through in the hopes of creating an uproar for "stricter" gun control. But I just a crazy...

Posted by: wrg500 at July 27, 2015 12:59 PM (kQBSd)

91 90 would=wouldn't

Posted by: wrg500 at July 27, 2015 12:59 PM (kQBSd)

92 "He was able to conceal a HiPoint .40?"

Not very pretty are they.

Like a ray gun in the toy aisle at Walmart.

Posted by: Uncle BusyhandsI agree they are as ugly as all get-out.
Apparently, though, his was up to the task at hand, as sick and twisted as that was.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 27, 2015 12:59 PM (/Ho8c)

93 Mexico has really strong gun control. It makes it so much easier to massacre the peons when they have no means of fighting back.
Posted by: rd at July 27, 2015 12:54 PM (KV+L+)

Just happened to catch two minutes of "Outnumbered" on Fox at lunch. Some brunette on the couch said she was an "immigrant" and how fortunate she was that she was born in a country that was having (I"m serious, she said this) political upheaval which allowed her parents to immigrate here as refugees, and that she feels that it's not Mexican's fault that they were born in Mexico, so the judge's decision yesterday that all the illegal children and women being held at a detention center must be released is a good one. She hopes that continues to stand.
One other blond was applauding her comments, along with , get this Napolitano. Another blond sat stone faced, staring at her.
I simply turned it off. Another day of complete idiocy.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 27, 2015 01:00 PM (WV80V)

94 ""governour" do we have a damn foreigner in here?"

Look here, I'll have you know that I am jolly well as true blue American as you are, old chap!

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 27, 2015 01:00 PM (Maary)

95 I am kind of surprised this shooting went off the MFM radar so quickly.

I'm surprised myself. They finally found a right wing shooter and didn't even scream about it. Must not have been enough non-whites killed for them to care about. No leverage for the Obama administration to use to divide America and stir up the low info voters to fear Republicans.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 27, 2015 01:00 PM (39g3+)

96 The sun probably shines illegally there.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe

lol

Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 27, 2015 01:01 PM (/Ho8c)

97
"Not very pretty are they."

Ugly and VERY bulky.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 27, 2015 01:01 PM (8marX)

98 23 Quick question: Do we know if Adulazeez's guns were bought legally? In his name? And what guns did he use?

Odd, isn't it, that we've just skipped past all that stuff for him, eh?
Posted by: Lizzy at July 27, 2015 12:34 PM (NOIQH)

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To even think these questions is Islamophobic, I'm sure.

Posted by: Stu-22 at July 27, 2015 01:01 PM (RMOpc)

99 73 -

Let's not conflate my point here. I don't mind conservatives going into the lions den to fight back. I'm saying Perry, who is not very bright, is not the guy I want doing it.

And he is revealing himself more and more as a phony.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2015 01:01 PM (n5IO9)

100 And, once again, the matter is that no one bothers paying attention to the mentally ill...?

No wonder no one comments on my posts!

Posted by: rickb223 at July 27, 2015 01:01 PM (vxBxx)

101 Like a ray gun in the toy aisle at Walmart.

Those are difficult to conceal.

Posted by: Marvin the Martian at July 27, 2015 01:01 PM (W5DcG)

102 Pro-life hackers say they have trove of internal PP emails for release. Popcorn please !

http://tinyurl.com/npuhxdl

Posted by: McCool at July 27, 2015 01:02 PM (nCSwS)

103 How about a big red "F" for Felon and "M" for Mental on the driver's licenses of those who deserve it?

Or would that not sufficiently infringe on everyone's Second Ammendment rights for our betters?

Posted by: Jaws at July 27, 2015 01:02 PM (Jktp1)

104 " Mexico has really strong gun control."

I don't know if it's still the case, but at one time there was one legal gun seller in all of Mexico. Located in Mexico City and owned by the Mexican Federal government.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 27, 2015 01:02 PM (LA7Cm)

105 To even think these questions is {s] Islamophobic{/s} racist, I'm sure.

Fixed

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 27, 2015 01:02 PM (VPLuQ)

106 shit

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 27, 2015 01:03 PM (VPLuQ)

107 I'm waiting for the MSM to post a picture of the Hi Point, and caption it "Glock". Or, vice versa.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 27, 2015 01:03 PM (7x4lH)

108
One other blond was applauding her comments, along with , get this Napolitano. Another blond sat stone faced, staring at her.

Remember, Rupert's pro-amnesty.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 27, 2015 01:03 PM (oVJmc)

109 Background Check-

It is a GIGO problem.
That murderer may very well should have been on the NICS denial list, but his name was likely never sent in to the FBI. Some "poor, overworked" court clerk may be responsible to send the reports in to the feds, but they do not. And the Court judges and mis-administrators do not make them do their jobs.

Posted by: rd at July 27, 2015 01:03 PM (KV+L+)

110 "Not very pretty are they."

Ugly and VERY bulky.

Like a babushka.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 27, 2015 01:03 PM (vxBxx)

111 The gun ever moron needs.

http://bugasalt.com/

Posted by: wrg500 at July 27, 2015 01:03 PM (kQBSd)

112 102 Pro-life hackers say they have trove of internal PP emails for release. Popcorn please !

http://tinyurl.com/npuhxdl

Posted by: McCool at July 27, 2015 01:02 PM (nCSwS)

I wonder how many blue states and the Fed are working to have all of their data archives confiscated.

Posted by: buzzion at July 27, 2015 01:04 PM (zt+N6)

113 "Like a ray gun in the toy aisle at Walmart."

Did somebody say ray gun?

http://tinyurl.com/nntodrj

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 27, 2015 01:04 PM (Maary)

114 Pro-life hackers say they have trove of internal PP emails for release. Popcorn please ! "

Nah, I gotta watch HBO on my new Obamaplan High speed interwebz.
Now go away!

/idiocracy - it's a documentary!

Posted by: anon a mouse at July 27, 2015 01:04 PM (C9pBZ)

115
"I am kind of surprised this shooting went off the MFM radar so quickly."
I think the history of him being nuts might be why. It seems they have learned that people won't blame guns when the person is clearly insane.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 27, 2015 01:04 PM (8marX)

116 Re: gun sale to Lafayette crazy,

Someone noted in TTAG that to be precise...

The sale was legal, the purchase was not.

Posted by: McCool at July 27, 2015 01:05 PM (nCSwS)

117 You know, since NASCAR banned them, they haven't had a single racially motivated shooting.

As empty as the stands were yesterday at Indy a person could fire off a shotgun and have no worries of hitting anyone.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 27, 2015 12:55 PM (kQBSd)

How long before Nascar drops the Indianapolis race because they can't remove stands to hide the fact that attendance is way down like they do at non Indy car tracks? Wow, was that ever empty yesterday.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 27, 2015 01:05 PM (WV80V)

118 102: "Pro-life hackers say they have trove of internal PP emails for release. Popcorn please !"

I have a recurring fantasy that if I won the mega powerball jackpot lottery, I would turn into the right wing Soros.

I'd hire all sorts of characters to pull dirty tricks on the left.

My first target...well...my second target would be to shut down the SJW twitter mobs.

My first targets would be all those lefty slush funds like the Tides Foundation.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at July 27, 2015 01:05 PM (UPYPp)

119 Posted by: rd at July 27, 2015 01:03 PM (KV+L+)

Which really gets down to the root of problems with "gun control." It simply doesn't work.

It doesn't work against bad guys who are determined to circumvent it.

It doesn't even work against bad guys who probably couldn't circumvent it- because paperwork gets lost/not filed/etc.

Bad people are going to do bad things. You can't stop that. You can minimize it, but that's a completely different justice paradigm.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 27, 2015 01:06 PM (kff5f)

120 MEXICO CITY -- Mexico's attorney general says authorities have found at least 60 mass graves with 129 bodies in the southern city of Iguala since the disappearance of 43 college students there last September, a case in which the government says the youths were killed and incinerated.

1. That's absolutely horrible
2. Mexico is a shithole
3. Why does any American vacation there?
4. Wut? Apparently a "mass grave" is a grave with more than one (1) person in it? (129 people in 60 graves) I'd always pictured it like a pauper's grave where it's just a hole they throw a bunch of people in.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:06 PM (jhqr1)

121 Facts. Always with the damn facts. Pfft.

Posted by: dogfish at July 27, 2015 01:06 PM (jWtyG)

122 Posted by: Jen the original at July 27, 2015 01:05 PM (WV80V)

Your see that at all the tracks. Daytona 500 was half empty. No one can afford the ticket prices.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 27, 2015 01:06 PM (kQBSd)

123 The story, if even covered by the MSM, will be about the hack, not what the emails contain. Alternative story, how over-reaction by the right will hurt them.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 27, 2015 01:07 PM (WiU5D)

124 Standing on line (in line for non-New Yorkers)

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I'm sophisticated. I queue.

Yes, but do you stand in a queue, or on a queue?

Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:07 PM (jhqr1)

125 One other blond was applauding her comments, along with , get this Napolitano. Another blond sat stone faced, staring at her.

Remember, Rupert's pro-amnesty.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 27, 2015 01:03 PM (oVJmc

Good point, I had forgotten that.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 27, 2015 01:07 PM (WV80V)

126 How long before Nascar drops the Indianapolis race because they can't remove stands to hide the fact that attendance is way down like they do at non Indy car tracks? Wow, was that ever empty yesterday.

Once you have gone Dixie Chicks, you never go back.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 27, 2015 01:07 PM (vxBxx)

127 ABC Jul 24, 2015
"Houser applied for a pistol permit in Alabama in 2006, Russell County Sheriff Heath Taylor said today. But the permit was denied because he had been arrested in connection to an arson case in Georgia in 1989 or 1990, and there was a report of domestic violence against him in 2005, the sheriff said

I think my #109 is correct, the FBI never got the information. The NRA has been complaining that too many states do not forward the mental health commitments and DV information to the FBI.

Posted by: rd at July 27, 2015 01:07 PM (KV+L+)

128 " Wow, was that ever empty yesterday."

I feel bad for those who make a living working for or with NASCAR. But, NASCAR has so indelibly shit all over it's fan base, multiple times now, that they need a little failure and correction.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 27, 2015 01:08 PM (LA7Cm)

129 "Your see that at all the tracks. Daytona 500 was half empty. No one can afford the ticket prices."

All the flags being waved used to obscure the view of the empty seats?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 27, 2015 01:08 PM (VPLuQ)

130
"Like a babushka."

I would be more embarrassed to be seen with a HiPoint.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 27, 2015 01:08 PM (LWWrf)

131 I find the flat sides of the Glock's to make them very easy to conceal (for a double-stack).

The only hassle is the squared off back of the slide, and that can be ameliorated with a low riding holster with a cant.

Posted by: Chupacabras at July 27, 2015 01:09 PM (kZVsz)

132 Pro-life hackers say they have trove of internal PP emails for release. Popcorn please !
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They will be prosecuted.
We will spare no expense.

Posted by: DoJ at July 27, 2015 01:09 PM (9mTYi)

133 With all the deaths and shootings in Baltimore over the weekend, can't we bring back midnight basketball

Posted by: Colin at July 27, 2015 01:10 PM (XI30L)

134 Yes, but do you stand in a queue, or on a queue?>>>

Or Bar Be Queue.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 27, 2015 01:10 PM (81UWZ)

135 Well, it's not like NASCAR's gone full ESPY's yet...

Posted by: Chupacabras at July 27, 2015 01:11 PM (kZVsz)

136 "Or Bar Be Queue."

Not in Austin, you don't.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 27, 2015 01:12 PM (Maary)

137 "With all the deaths and shootings in Baltimore over the weekend, can't we bring back midnight basketball"

We've moved past basketball now

http://brewne.ws/1ETjzOe

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 27, 2015 01:12 PM (VPLuQ)

138 NASCAR - More concerned about the opinions of people who would not be caught dead at a race than they are with their fan base. Sounds familiar.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 27, 2015 01:12 PM (WiU5D)

139 Suz-E-Queue

Posted by: Weasel at July 27, 2015 01:13 PM (6xtq3)

140 133 With all the deaths and shootings in Baltimore over the weekend, can't we bring back midnight basketball
Posted by: Colin at July 27, 2015 01:10 PM (XI30L)

They keep shooting the ball. Slows the game down.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 27, 2015 01:13 PM (RD7QR)

141 Well, it's not like NASCAR's gone full ESPY's yet"

So you're saying they haven't quite gone to having Bruc, er, whatever it's name is wave a rainbow flag to start a race?

Oh, wait, did I just let plans for next years' Daytona slip?

Posted by: anon a mouse at July 27, 2015 01:13 PM (C9pBZ)

142 "Or Bar Be Queue."

Not in Austin, you don't.
Posted by: Titus
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They will be prosecuted.
We will spare no expense.

Posted by: Rosemary Lehmberg at July 27, 2015 01:13 PM (9mTYi)

143 NASCAR - More concerned about the opinions of people who would not be
caught dead at a race than they are with their fan base. Sounds
familiar.

I wonder how much they have to appease the SJWs at ESPN to get airtime.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 27, 2015 01:13 PM (oVJmc)

144 Say what you will about the Hi Point, and yes, it's a very ugly and ungainly pistol, indeed.

But I saw an informal IDPA match won with one in the hands of a Master Class shooter, as a demonstration to some newbies as regards "don't blame your poor scores on your equipment".

I'm a huge fan of the Hi Point in the market, but not in my gun safe. It's great that a granny on a miniscule income might have a serviceable, affordable gun that she can rely on.

It IS better than no gun at all, by any measure.

And if you run outta ammo, it's one hell of a hefty club, too.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 27, 2015 01:14 PM (7x4lH)

145 They keep shooting the ball. Slows the game down.

Posted by: joncelli

And baseball's out--they just steal the bases.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 27, 2015 01:14 PM (VAsIq)

146 Or Bar Be Queue.

Did you hear Austin, TX is trying to ban BBQ joints?

Apparently they've discovered the externalities of smoking meat are infringing on neighbors rights not to smell delicious, yummy barbecue.

If you can't keep your barbecue smell on your side of the fence, you're shut down.

So when are the Texans going to show up and riot Austin out of the state?

Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:15 PM (jhqr1)

147 "Or Bar Be Queue."

Not in Austin, you don't.
Posted by: Titus

More like...BANbecue!

Okay, I'll leave.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 27, 2015 01:15 PM (VAsIq)

148 All the flags being waved used to obscure the view of the empty seats?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 27, 2015 01:08 PM (VPLuQ)

I use to go to the April/May Richmond race every year. If I didn't buy my tickets no later than Dec. I couldn't get them. Now I could buy race day if I wanted to fork over 150 per. or more.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 27, 2015 01:15 PM (kQBSd)

149 This is nice and all, but it's no FUGOPE thread.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 27, 2015 01:15 PM (rwI+c)

150 Way way off-topic: if you see anybody panicking over the Chinese stock decline, point out that the FXI has dropped all the way to the level ... where it was only eight months ago. BFD.

Posted by: gp at July 27, 2015 01:15 PM (mk9aG)

151 I would be more embarrassed to be seen with a HiPoint.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 27, 2015 01:08 PM (LWWrf)

I dunno. I've seen YouTube torture tests on High Points that show that--if nothing else--they're reliable pistols. I'm personally big on reliability. A good trigger and nice handling (which High Points don't have) are nice, but I'll take a clunky nail hammer of a gun like a High Point over something pretty and pricey and unpredictable when I need it most.

Posted by: troyriser at July 27, 2015 01:16 PM (XHR9b)

152 @Jim

I've always considered "Saturday Night Special" bans to be racist (or at least classist), because they were used to keep access to weapons from the people who needed them the most: little old ladies in bad neighborhoods.

Posted by: Chupacabras at July 27, 2015 01:17 PM (kZVsz)

153 I'm a huge fan of the Hi Point in the market, but not in my gun safe. It's great that a granny on a miniscule income might have a serviceable, affordable gun that she can rely on.

It IS better than no gun at all, by any measure.

Same. It's a serviceable weapon that can help someone who can't afford a nicer one.

But I'm sure as crap not owning one. My HK P2000 in .40 is a dream to shoot.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:17 PM (jhqr1)

154
I was shopping in a gunstore once when another customer was denied on the background check. The guy just about wigged out. The owner literally threw him out of the store and called the FBI first... then local PD.

Kinda bizarro.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 27, 2015 01:18 PM (8XRCm)

155 149 This is nice and all, but it's no FUGOPE thread.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 27, 2015 01:15 PM (rwI+c)

Whaddya mean, I've got a HUGE FUGOPE!

Posted by: Lena "Look, I'm Nude" Dunham at July 27, 2015 01:18 PM (RD7QR)

156 I would be more embarrassed to be seen with a HiPoint.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 27, 2015 01:08 PM (LWWrf)

The best gun is the one that goes BANG when I need it to go BANG.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 27, 2015 01:18 PM (kQBSd)

157 I'm personally big on reliability. A good trigger and nice
handling (which High Points don't have) are nice, but I'll take a clunky nail hammer of a gun like a High Point over something pretty and pricey and unpredictable when I need it most.

How hard are they to disassemble, polish, & tune?

Posted by: rickb223 at July 27, 2015 01:18 PM (vxBxx)

158 Speaking of CBFs, how was the Moron Gettysburg Campaign?

Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 27, 2015 01:18 PM (/Ho8c)

159 Same. It's a serviceable weapon that can help someone who can't afford a nicer one.

But I'm sure as crap not owning one. My HK P2000 in .40 is a dream to shoot.
Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:17 PM (jhqr1)

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On the brightside...... once you run out of ammo, the Highpoint makes a nice bludgeoning weapon.

Boat anchor too.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 27, 2015 01:19 PM (8XRCm)

160 But I'm sure as crap not owning one. My HK P2000 in .40 is a dream to shoot.

So is my Sig 226 .40

Posted by: wrg500 at July 27, 2015 01:19 PM (kQBSd)

161 How hard are they to disassemble, polish, & tune?
Posted by: rickb223
-------------------------

Old adage, silk purse, sow's ear.
Just saying.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 27, 2015 01:20 PM (9mTYi)

162 How can "60 mass graves" hold only 129 bodies???

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 27, 2015 01:20 PM (iQIUe)

163 Well, it's not like NASCAR's gone full ESPY's yet...
Posted by: Chupacabras at July 27, 2015 01:11 PM (kZVsz)

They tried dipping a toe in the water. When Danica Patrick moved from Indy to Nascar, you would have thought she was the savior Nascar had been hoping for. Every week was devoted to what Danica was doing, where she qualified, and the massaging of every single thing she did wrong into somehow being a brilliant move on her part drove real fans crazy. She was highlighted in previews every week, she was in commercials, she was interviewed, she was blah blah.
And as a female Nascar fan with a decent grasp of the sport, I was not impressed at all with her marketing of herself through GoDaddy's suggestive commericals or her SI bikini-semi nude layouts, etc.
She was not the example I would want for my daughters or young female relatives that Nascar kept trying to push.

By the way, Danica is not the first woman Nascar driver , there have been quite a few, there are numerous female drivers in trucks and in Infinity, Arca, etc. With better win averages than she has.

Then, when Richard Petty rightly pointed out that she was a middle of the pack driver and not deserving of all the attention and accolades Nascar was bestowing on her, Nascar tried to distance itself from it's winningest and most well known icon of the sport.

Who, by the way, was right.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 27, 2015 01:20 PM (WV80V)

164 I'll take a clunky nail hammer of a gun like a High Point over something pretty and pricey and unpredictable when I need it most.

Eh? What major handgun manufacturer make "pretty and pricey and unpredictable" weapons?

Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:20 PM (jhqr1)

165 I always bought my guns from whom ever, where ever, and for what ever. No background check, no tax stamps none of that BS. Try it sometimes, it's very liberating, you know what I mean?

Damn syphilis.....
Posted by: Zombie Al Capone

Good with a baseball bat, too.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 27, 2015 01:20 PM (XUKZU)

166 Speaking of CBFs, how was the Moron Gettysburg Campaign?

Haven't seen anything. Me thinks they didn't make bail yet.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 27, 2015 01:21 PM (kQBSd)

167 How long before Nascar drops the Indianapolis race because they can't remove stands to hide the fact that attendance is way down like they do at non Indy car tracks? Wow, was that ever empty yesterday.
Posted by: Jen the original at July 27, 2015 01:05 PM (WV80V)

-------------------------------------

How long before NASCAR dwindles to nothing, period. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if a new more "basic" redneck, confederate-flag-waving crowd starts a new racing association.

NASCAR has gone left (no pun intended). Just like Indy racing.

Posted by: Soona at July 27, 2015 01:21 PM (P25Hh)

168 How can "60 mass graves" hold only 129 bodies???
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 27, 2015 01:20 PM (iQIUe)

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Catholic???

Posted by: fixerupper at July 27, 2015 01:21 PM (8XRCm)

169 How can "60 mass graves" hold only 129 bodies???

That's what I said. I'd always thought of a mass grave as a big pit with many bodies.

Apparently their working definition is more than one body per grave.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:22 PM (jhqr1)

170
Jim, I joke about HiPoints, but I am glad they exist. Not everyone can afford a $5-600 firearm.
"But I saw an informal IDPA match won with one in the hands of a Master Class shooter, as a demonstration to some newbies as regards "don't blame your poor scores on your equipment".

That is pure awesome.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 27, 2015 01:22 PM (LWWrf)

171 People need to be careful on how hard they push the "the current laws didn't work" meme as this gives more not less ammunition for the gun grabbers to demand stricter and more stringent and perhaps persistent background checks.

Because a gun can be so easily purchase illegally, what should be stressed here is that back ground checks do not work and cannot work. Period.

Watch and see as they will now demand an even more intrusive system nation wide that tracks anything and everything anyone's ever done (or worse yet, supposedly done) according to differing agencies with differing quality of data entry personnel.

2A says "shall not be infringed" period. No qualifiers, no disqualifiers.

Which is actually the reality. What is being argued about is who can be charged with a crime without doing anything violent. A violation of a made up law and not a criminal law.

Enough. We should be trying to reduce government intrusion not demanding more.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 27, 2015 01:22 PM (x3GpS)

172 I was shopping in a gunstore once when another customer was denied on the background check. The guy just about wigged out. The owner literally threw him out of the store and called the FBI first... then local PD.

Kinda bizarro.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 27, 2015 01:18 PM (8XRCm)

The gun store we use has expressed frustration that when they get a denial from the Feds to sell, they notify authorities and absolutely nothing happens. As they point it, it is a felony to attempt to buy a weapon when you know you are not eligible(past conviction, restraining order, etc.) To even get the background check going, you have to answer falsely to those questions which is a felony for lying.....

Posted by: Jen the original at July 27, 2015 01:23 PM (WV80V)

173 I was going to mention that I've been surprised they don't have a special trophy just for Danika to win every year.

But I'm glad you brought it up first, Jen.

Posted by: Chupacabras at July 27, 2015 01:23 PM (kZVsz)

174 How do we know the perp answered the questions honestly?

Posted by: Jaimo at July 27, 2015 01:23 PM (9U1OG)

175 Way way off-topic: if you see anybody panicking over the Chinese stock decline, point out that the FXI has dropped all the way to the level ... where it was only eight months ago. BFD.

Posted by: gp at July 27, 2015 01:15 PM (mk9aG)

Sounds a lot like the US Stock market crash in 1929. A tremendous run up, a few declines, more run up, and then a substantial "CRASH" correction.

Posted by: rd at July 27, 2015 01:24 PM (KV+L+)

176 Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:15 PM (jhqr1)

Shut your mouth!

If we didn't have Austin, that hippy crap might infest the other cities, too. As it is, we can keep it (mostly) contained.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 27, 2015 01:24 PM (kff5f)

177 I always bought my guns from whom ever, where ever, and for what ever. No background check, no tax stamps none of that BS. Try it sometimes, it's very liberating, you know what I mean?

*cough, Armslist dot com Cough*

Posted by: wrg500 at July 27, 2015 01:24 PM (kQBSd)

178 "But I saw an informal IDPA match won with one in the hands of a Master Class shooter, as a demonstration to some newbies as regards "don't blame your poor scores on your equipment".

That is pure awesome.
Posted by: Tilikum
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Jimmy Clark once came within 6 seconds of the Silverstone lap record, driving a Ford truck loaded with bricks. Operator skills are more important than the equipment.

A poor craftsman always blames his tools.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 27, 2015 01:26 PM (9mTYi)

179 NASCAR has gone left (no pun intended). Just like Indy racing.

Posted by: Soona at July 27, 2015 01:21 PM (P25Hh)

But now the NASCAR executives get invited to the "right" cocktail parties. Just like the GOPe.

Posted by: rd at July 27, 2015 01:27 PM (KV+L+)

180 176: "If we didn't have Austin, that hippy crap might infest the other cities, too. As it is, we can keep it (mostly) contained."

I wish that were true. But looking at Houston, and now the San Antonio city government, the disease seems to be spreading.

Pols like Annise Parker and Julian Castro are symptoms, not the causes.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at July 27, 2015 01:27 PM (UPYPp)

181 How hard are they to disassemble, polish, tune?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 27, 2015 01:18 PM (vxBxx)

I don't own one but did research them and talked to a guy that owned both the .45 ACP pistol and carbine. He told me they were something of a bear to dissassemble but I looked it over online and saw nothing extraordinarily difficult about it. You want difficult? Replace a Tokarev firing pin.

Polish? Don't know. Tune? Any pistol can be fluff and buffed; that is, taking apart the trigger assembly and working off the burrs and the like. Have dremel tool, will travel.

So yeah: I'd own one, sure. Bad guys threatening my life or loved ones won't care if it's a Kimber or a HiPoint.

Posted by: troyriser at July 27, 2015 01:27 PM (XHR9b)

182 *cough, Armslist dot com Cough*

All private sellers?

Don't you still have to arrange with a gun store to legally ship? And doesn't that gun store owner has to do your NICS check?

Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:27 PM (jhqr1)

183 A poor craftsman always blames his tools.

Posted by: Mike Hammer

Bob Dole approves this message.

Posted by: Bob Dole at July 27, 2015 01:27 PM (VAsIq)

184
I too am glad the Highpoints are in the market. Not sure I would own one unless Im going to stash it in the camper permanently. But they have a warranty better than all the major brand name manufacturers.

A better "cheap" pistol IMHO is the SCCY. Nice single stack 9mm. It's ALL they make... model #CPX1 has no safety.... the CPX2 has a safety.

If you can master the DA trigger (much like shooting a revolver).... its a depenable firearm. And the warranty is better than Highpoints. Absolute repair or replacement guaranteed. They've even been known to ship guns to customers when their gun was taken as evidence in self defense shootings.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 27, 2015 01:28 PM (8XRCm)

185
I will admit this. I am little bit of a Kel-Tec fan. Their P11 and P32 have grown on me.
Of course I liked the P11 better after I modified a few things.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 27, 2015 01:29 PM (LWWrf)

186 All private sellers?

Don't you still have to arrange with a gun store to legally ship? And doesn't that gun store owner has to do your NICS check?

Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:27 PM (jhqr1)

All private, no checks since it's private.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 27, 2015 01:29 PM (kQBSd)

187 Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at July 27, 2015 01:27 PM (UPYPp) Hide posts from (UPYPp)

I didn't say the Liberalism. That's in all the major cities to greater or lesser extent anyway.

I was talking about the hippy gaia-worship crap which (for the nonce) seems mostly centered on Austin. Even Dallas has already trashed their plastic bag ban.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 27, 2015 01:29 PM (kff5f)

188 Don't you still have to arrange with a gun store to legally ship? And doesn't that gun store owner has to do your NICS check?
Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:27 PM (jhqr1)

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Yes they do.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 27, 2015 01:29 PM (8XRCm)

189 All private, no checks since it's private.

How do they ship though?

Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:30 PM (jhqr1)

190 How do they ship though?

Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:30 PM (jhqr1)

Who said anything about "shipping?"

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 27, 2015 01:31 PM (kff5f)

191 All private, no checks since it's private.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 27, 2015 01:29 PM (kQBSd)

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unless its a local pickup... its a FELONY for you to receive a firearm in tansit.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 27, 2015 01:31 PM (8XRCm)

192 Yes they do.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 27, 2015 01:29 PM (8XRCm)

ONLY is shipping. I can make arrangement to buy, drive to the persons home and make the transaction legally in Virginia. No background since it's private/private.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 27, 2015 01:31 PM (kQBSd)

193 But now the NASCAR executives get invited to the "right" cocktail parties. Just like the GOPe.
Posted by: rd at July 27, 2015 01:27 PM (KV+L+)

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NASCAR started going down the tubes when they got rid of the "Winston Cup Series". It was the beginning of the PC era for that organization.

Posted by: Soona at July 27, 2015 01:32 PM (P25Hh)

194 Also, last I checked, you can only legally sell a very few guns per year and still be considered a private seller. It's something like seven guns. After that you have to get an FFL.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:32 PM (jhqr1)

195 Posted by: fixerupper at July 27, 2015 01:31 PM (8XRCm)
No shipping their hands to mine.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 27, 2015 01:33 PM (kQBSd)

196 Ah, I see. Seller has to be local so you can physically pick up.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:33 PM (jhqr1)

197 Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:32 PM (jhqr1)

Not to put too fine a point on it, but how would the government know? Private/private inside the same state? No records.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 27, 2015 01:33 PM (kff5f)

198 Armslist is Craigslist for guns.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 27, 2015 01:34 PM (kQBSd)

199 Eh? What major handgun manufacturer make "pretty and pricey and unpredictable" weapons?
Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:20 PM (jhqr1)

You're telling me you've never owned and/or fired a brand-named pistol that had FTF problems? In my case, I'm thinking specifically of a POS Kimber that my cousin owned. Someone in Quality Control must've been breaking up with his girlfriend that day.

Posted by: troyriser at July 27, 2015 01:34 PM (XHR9b)

200 Not to put too fine a point on it, but how would the government know? Private/private inside the same state? No records.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 27, 2015 01:33 PM (kff5f)

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That's the way it works here in OK. Private transactions are legal.

Posted by: Soona at July 27, 2015 01:35 PM (P25Hh)

201 197: "Not to put too fine a point on it, but how would the government know? Private/private inside the same state? No records."

Craigslist, GunTrader, etc., etc. all keep records of stuff posted for sale.

Like any other law that the average citizen breaks without ever knowing it, if the govt. takes an interest in you, they WILL find something to prosecute you with.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at July 27, 2015 01:35 PM (UPYPp)

202 How do they ship though?
Posted by: bonhomme

Who said anything about "shipping?"

FtF. Face to Face.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 27, 2015 01:35 PM (vxBxx)

203 Not to put too fine a point on it, but how would the government know? Private/private inside the same state? No records.

Sure, I get that. But I wouldn't want to get caught doing it. No more guns for bonhomme for.ev.er.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:35 PM (jhqr1)

204 The SCCY is a ripoff of the Kel-Tec. Supposedly SCCY was started by former Kel-Tec employees.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 27, 2015 01:36 PM (jtStN)

205 Not to put too fine a point on it, but how would the government know? Private/private inside the same state? No records.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 27, 2015 01:33 PM (kff5f)

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Same way the government know if you break things like 922r compliance.

They dont. Until they do. Then your going to pound me in the ass prison for a long time. We all hate the BATFE and the capriciousness of it all. But, as a former FFL holder, my advise is.... dont flaunt them.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 27, 2015 01:36 PM (8XRCm)

206 115

"I am kind of surprised this shooting went off the MFM radar so quickly."
I
think the history of him being nuts might be why. It seems they have
learned that people won't blame guns when the person is clearly insane.
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The story disappeared so quickly because the story is an indictment of all the regulation safety measures.
1. Nutbar ordered confined by judge for being crazy dangerous.
2. Nutbar is not actually confined because regs for confining nutbars are crazier than they are.
3. Nutbar is left on the streets with no legal paper to tie him to being a clear and present danger that will show up on a background check.
4. Nutbar buys cheap handgun and clears the background check. His credit is good too.
5. Nutbar takes his cheap handgun and shoots up movie theater.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 27, 2015 01:36 PM (ry4ab)

207 Ah, I see. Seller has to be local so you can physically pick up.
Posted by: bonhomme
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Yeah..., just found something I've been looking for, at a great price.... 600 miles away.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 27, 2015 01:37 PM (9mTYi)

208 The SCCY is a ripoff of the Kel-Tec. Supposedly SCCY was started by former Kel-Tec employees.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 27, 2015 01:36 PM (jtStN)

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"ripoff" implies inferiority. Id rather carry a SCCY than a Kel-Tec. YMMV.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 27, 2015 01:38 PM (8XRCm)

209 Yeah..., just found something I've been looking for, at a great price.... 600 miles away.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 27, 2015 01:37 PM (9mTYi)

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Well then, you're at the point that most buyers face: How badly do I want it.

Posted by: Soona at July 27, 2015 01:39 PM (P25Hh)

210 Yeah..., just found something I've been looking for, at a great price.... 600 miles away.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 27, 2015 01:37 PM (9mTYi)
Road trip!!!

I found a 30-06 with scope and 100rounds $250 I might ....pull the trigger on it.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 27, 2015 01:40 PM (kQBSd)

211 [pi]
Not to put too fine a point on it, but how would the government know? Private/private inside the same state? No records.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet

I'm not telling...

Posted by: Bob at the NSA at July 27, 2015 01:41 PM (/Ho8c)

212 The reason nothing happens when there's a denial, is that they know the system is flawed.

If they pursued every denial, they'd also be getting sued because some of those charged would be found that they were denied wrongly.

Also, the people making the denial are clerks and such, not agents so there may be a referral system to pass this to an investigator or prosecutor but they have other higher priorities than pursuing denials based on a filed form.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 27, 2015 01:41 PM (x3GpS)

213 You're telling me you've never owned and/or fired a brand-named pistol that had FTF problems? In my case, I'm thinking specifically of a POS Kimber that my cousin owned. Someone in Quality Control must've been breaking up with his girlfriend that day.

I have a Kimber Raptor II (gift from muh Daddy). Never had a FTF.

I think a big part of my success is, and I'm about to blaspheme, I hate the 1911. Hate it. I can take apart for cleaning a Glock, Sig Sauer, HK, etc in under two seconds, and assemble it almost as quickly. No tools for assembly/disassembly. Of all the Sigs and HKs I've owned, I've never had a FTF. Ever. Every trigger pull has gone bang and cycled correctly.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:41 PM (jhqr1)

214 130

"Like a babushka."

I would be more embarrassed to be seen with a HiPoint.
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Crazy dude just proved that despite the Black and Decker appearance a HiPoint will stack 'em just like a Glock for 20% of the MSRP.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 27, 2015 01:41 PM (ry4ab)

215 Ah, I see. Seller has to be local so you can physically pick up.
Posted by: bonhomme
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Yeah..., just found something I've been looking for, at a great price.... 600 miles away.
Posted by: Mike Hammer

300 mile road trip in your future.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 27, 2015 01:41 PM (vxBxx)

216 All private, no checks since it's private.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 27, 2015 01:29 PM (kQBSd)

Then you better make sure your state doesn't go all WA I-594 stupid.

Posted by: rebel flounder at July 27, 2015 01:42 PM (Vf5rR)

217 300 mile road trip in your future.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 27, 2015 01:41 PM (vxBxx)

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Not if its a handgun.... ;-)

Posted by: fixerupper at July 27, 2015 01:43 PM (8XRCm)

218 Then you better make sure your state doesn't go all WA I-594 stupid.

VA? Not likely.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 27, 2015 01:44 PM (kQBSd)

219 Yeah..., just found something I've been looking for, at a great price.... 600 miles away.

How pissed will you be if you make that trip, and find out the seller used some pictures from the net? The actual weapon doesn't look like the pictures.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:44 PM (jhqr1)

220
Most 1911 FTF or FTE's are magazine related.

Just saying.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 27, 2015 01:44 PM (8XRCm)

221 How pissed will you be if you make that trip, and find out the seller used some pictures from the net? The actual weapon doesn't look like the pictures.
Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:44 PM (jhqr1)

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You ask the seller if there's any ammo at hand for the gun.

Posted by: Soona at July 27, 2015 01:46 PM (P25Hh)

222
"ripoff" implies inferiority. Id rather carry a SCCY than a Kel-Tec. YMMV"
I don't think it implies inferior, just that it basically stole almost everything from Kel-Tec. I'd rather go with the originator myself unless there is a significant improvement by whomever copied it.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 27, 2015 01:46 PM (8marX)

223 218
Then you better make sure your state doesn't go all WA I-594 stupid.

VA? Not likely.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 27, 2015 01:44 PM (kQBSd)

Let's hope so. Big money bought all the ads and the biased media lied their asses off about the prospective impact on crime, etc. LiVs bought it and ended private transactions in WA. Guard your liberties jealously.

Posted by: rebel flounder at July 27, 2015 01:47 PM (Vf5rR)

224 The actual weapon doesn't look like the pictures.
Posted by: bonhomme
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Yeah, as a matter of curiosity, I emailed him and asked that question specifically.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 27, 2015 01:47 PM (9mTYi)

225 Most 1911 FTF or FTE's are magazine related.

Just saying.

From talking to my Dad, and all the interesting old men at the gun range, it's a trial and error thing. You find some magazines and weapons and ammo combinations that work better than others. Yet another reason I don't like the 1911. You have to "invest" in $55/each magazines.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:48 PM (jhqr1)

226 Yeah, as a matter of curiosity, I emailed him and asked that question specifically.

Smart.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:49 PM (jhqr1)

227 225
Most 1911 FTF or FTE's are magazine related.

Just saying.

From talking to my Dad, and all the interesting old men at the gun
range, it's a trial and error thing. You find some magazines and weapons
and ammo combinations that work better than others. Yet another reason
I don't like the 1911. You have to "invest" in $55/each magazines.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:48 PM (jhqr1)

Like find glock, find glock mag, fill with ammo.

Posted by: rebel flounder at July 27, 2015 01:49 PM (Vf5rR)

228 172
I was shopping in a gunstore once when another customer was denied on
the background check. The guy just about wigged out. The owner literally
threw him out of the store and called the FBI first... then local PD.

Kinda bizarro.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 27, 2015 01:18 PM (8XRCm)

The gun store we use has expressed frustration that when they get a
denial from the Feds to sell, they notify authorities and absolutely
nothing happens. As they point it, it is a felony to attempt to buy a
weapon when you know you are not eligible(past conviction, restraining
order, etc.) To even get the background check going, you have to answer
falsely to those questions which is a felony for lying.....
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It really gives me the warm fluffies to know that when the check actually gives a warning the police can't be bothered to follow up. Thanks for nothing guys, you too gun grabbers.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 27, 2015 01:50 PM (ry4ab)

229 218: "VA? Not likely."

The same used to be said of electing the likes of Terry McAuliffe.

What once was, is nevermore. What once could never be, now is.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at July 27, 2015 01:50 PM (UPYPp)

230

Posted response to wrong thread.
Dack Thrombosis:

Huh? The one I read was about Rick Wilson.

Did I miss something?

No. Weirddave fisked
Rick Wilson's "I blame conservatives" article. Within hours the sidebar
included an article on Chinese aggressive maneuvers against regional
allies ....with a H/T to Rick Wilson.

heh.
Then Malor posts 3 in a row.

Life sucks sometimes.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 27, 2015 01:51 PM (QuNQQ)

231 Yeah, as a matter of curiosity, I emailed him and asked that question specifically.

Smart.
Posted by: bonhomme
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Critical, because there are Gen I, II, etc. models (identifiable by appearance), and no..., it isn't what people will immediately think.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 27, 2015 01:51 PM (9mTYi)

232 I think a big part of my success is, and I'm about to blaspheme, I hate the 1911. Hate it. I can take apart for cleaning a Glock, Sig Sauer, HK, etc in under two seconds, and assemble it almost as quickly.

Its a classic beautiful gun but notoriously a pain to pull apart and rebuild. And yeah, it is just as notorious about jamming - but I think that's the older models. The modern rebuilt 1911s that people are making? I bet they work smooth as Barry White.

I have wanted one of the 1911 rebuild specials from Gunsmoke Guns (the guys on American Guns) for a long time now. Precision gunsmithing is an amazing craft to me, and I wish those gun shows would have focused a lot more on that and less on controversy and infighting.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 27, 2015 01:51 PM (39g3+)

233 Speaking of American Guns, I wonder how much of a tatted up plastic white trash girl Paige Wyatt has turned into.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 27, 2015 01:52 PM (39g3+)

234 Posted by: bonhomme at July 27, 2015 01:48 PM (jhqr1)

$55? Ouch.

I use Wilson Combat mags and they are about $30.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 27, 2015 01:53 PM (Zu3d9)

235 and less on controversy and infighting. incest, inbreeding, adultery, pedophile activities....

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 27, 2015 01:53 PM (9mTYi)

236
Funny, the 1911s I have owned weren't finicky, and they weren't "high end" 1911s.
I have a 10rd mag for my 1911 and I paid $30 for it.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 27, 2015 01:54 PM (jtStN)

237 Another thing in favor of Hi Point: if you are ever involved in a DGU, cops will probably take your gun for at least a while. Do you want to part with your $1400 Kimber, or your $140 Hi Point?

Posted by: gp at July 27, 2015 01:55 PM (mk9aG)

238 I use Wilson Combat mags and they are about $30.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 27, 2015 01:53 PM (Zu3d9)

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Chip McCormick Power mags for about $24.00

I also like the CMC steel bottomed 7 rounder plain janes that can be had for about $18.00

Posted by: fixerupper at July 27, 2015 01:55 PM (8XRCm)

239 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 27, 2015 01:51 PM (39g3+)

It takes me about 15 seconds to strip my 1911 for cleaning. I have no idea where you got the idea that it was difficult.

Come clean....you're a commie troll.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 27, 2015 01:55 PM (Zu3d9)

240 " tatted up plastic white trash girl Paige Wyatt has turned into."

Still looking good and no visible tats. She models too so they're probably not a good idea.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 27, 2015 01:57 PM (LA7Cm)

241 Posted by: fixerupper at July 27, 2015 01:55 PM (8XRCm)

On sale at Midway!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 27, 2015 01:58 PM (Zu3d9)

242 Posted by: fixerupper at July 27, 2015 01:55 PM (8XRCm)

On sale at Midway!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 27, 2015 01:58 PM (Zu3d9)

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On sale for $21.99. WOOT!!!!!

Thanks CBD..... you are now responsible for a $75.00 charge to my credit card....

Posted by: fixerupper at July 27, 2015 02:00 PM (8XRCm)

243 Somebody brought chocolate covered bacon to the office today.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 27, 2015 02:01 PM (XUKZU)

244
Yes, the 1911 of today are quite reliable. I kind of don't get the fascination with the $1500-$2500 1911s.
I can buy a RIA with almost the same features for $5-600

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 27, 2015 02:03 PM (jtStN)

245 244

Yes, the 1911 of today are quite reliable. I kind of don't get the fascination with the $1500-$2500 1911s.
I can buy a RIA with almost the same features for $5-600

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 27, 2015 02:03 PM (jtStN)

High priced 1911s are man jewelry. Goes nicely in the man bag.

Posted by: rebel flounder at July 27, 2015 02:04 PM (Vf5rR)

246 When government fails, the fix is more failed government or banning of failure.

If you are mentally incapacitated this makes logical sense.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at July 27, 2015 02:06 PM (f+6Pd)

247 It takes me about 15 seconds to strip my 1911 for cleaning. I have no idea where you got the idea that it was difficult.

How long did it take you to learn, and how does it compare to other pistols?

I haven't ever tried, I'm just going on what I've heard from gun owners and read.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 27, 2015 02:09 PM (39g3+)

248 Not saying the thing was a hoax, but the news certainly is.

Again - AGAIN! - we get interviews with "concerned citizens" who want us to know that "evil didn't win" and "it was surreal," and they turn out to be actors and employees from PR firms.

http://tinyurl.com/pge29al

Posted by: RKae at July 27, 2015 02:10 PM (upjBJ)

249 Let A = (x: x is a US citizen who is legally authorized to purchase firearms} and B = {y: y is a US citizen who is legally authorized to vote}.

Seems to me we have the makings of a compromise here.
1. Make the purchase of a firearm by anyone in A' (A-complement) illegal.
2. Make the sale of a firearm to anyone in A' (A-complement) illegal.
3. Make the submission of a ballot by someone in B' illegal.
4. Make the acceptance by election officials of a ballot submitted by someone in B' illegal.

The same list works for all four purposes (with the added information about mental competence for firearms).

Posted by: Malcolm Kirkpatrick at July 27, 2015 02:12 PM (IbUUZ)

250 The Glock I used to have was the hardest to take down for cleaning of any hand gun I've owned.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at July 27, 2015 02:14 PM (zauWW)

251 Related: What movie was it that the shooter went into? The original stories in the MSM said Amy Schumer's "Trainwreck," which caused me to ask, "Why does a 58-year-old white male go to see 'Trainwreck'?" (Well, obviously, because it was a target-rich environment.) But now I am hearing it was "Ant-Man." Did the media sooper geniuses get it that wrong, again?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 27, 2015 02:22 PM (QrB1r)

252 Nood drew. No colon shots, though.

Posted by: rebel flounder at July 27, 2015 02:29 PM (Vf5rR)

253 I carry a 1911 every day. Concealed.

It's configured as designed, cocked and locked. In all the years I've owned and shot it, there have been less than 5 FTE/FTF events.

IIRC,it was all ammo related, I fed the thing some truly vile food--so bad I destroyed a couple hundred rounds.

It sees an eminently qualified gunsmith yearly, regardless of operational condition and whatever needs attention is done without question.

I use this weapon because it FITS my hand better than anything else I've had the pleasure of shooting.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 27, 2015 02:33 PM (jeCnD)

254 But now I am hearing it was "Ant-Man." Did the media sooper geniuses get it that wrong, again?

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Ant-Man is Disney, and Disney will do everything they can to change the news, if not reality itself.

I'm. Not. Kidding.

Posted by: RKae at July 27, 2015 02:34 PM (upjBJ)

255 That's a nice questionnaire. What's to keep someone from lying on it?

Posted by: Kathy Kinsley at July 27, 2015 08:33 PM (P1Mfe)

256 Someone did not check the right box 7 years ago leads to a movie theater Lafayette. Talk about butterfly effect.

Posted by: TJ at July 27, 2015 09:46 PM (RPwn+)

257
510-909-0498
Anybody know who's number this is?

Hint: It is some one here, Give him a call!

O.K. Its an asshole, does that change anything?

Ask for Ms. Osama, or Mr. Beaker. W.T.D.

Call Records FTW!

Posted by: Innocent man at July 28, 2015 03:57 AM (5x+Ft)

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