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The Infantalization of America [CBD]
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Guns are scary, therefore ban everything.
Posted by: fluffy at July 25, 2015 12:41 PM (2iV3X)
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Well, you know what they say about Marines:
You can lock a Marine in a room with two steel balls, open the door an hour later and you will find that he lost one and broke the other.
You can lock a Marine in a room with two steel balls, open the door an hour later and you will find that he lost one and broke the other.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 25, 2015 12:42 PM (NaeCR)
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This is discouraging. Four threads today and I have been first twice. I was second on the King Dave thread after reading the whole thing.
I have a life! I really do!
I have a life! I really do!
Posted by: fluffy at July 25, 2015 12:44 PM (2iV3X)
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re 2: kind of like Heisenberg's cat
Posted by: mallfly at July 25, 2015 12:45 PM (qSIlh)
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I walked into an ice cream shop yesterday. One of the first things I saw: A cop, in plain clothes. Badge, prominently displayed, right next to his service weapon.
Nobody was freaking out. We expect it. Cops carry guns.
Why not our military?
Oh yeah, I remember now.
Nobody was freaking out. We expect it. Cops carry guns.
Why not our military?
Oh yeah, I remember now.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 25, 2015 12:46 PM (Dj0WE)
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Why not our military?
Oh yeah, I remember now.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 25, 2015 12:46 PM (Dj0WE)
I LOVED that the media went to "posse comitatus" as to why military members are not armed on US soil.
Yet only nutjobs mentioned posse comitatus when it was revealed that the NSA (a part of the DoD) was spying on citizens.
It's just so... I don't know, funny.
Oh yeah, I remember now.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 25, 2015 12:46 PM (Dj0WE)
I LOVED that the media went to "posse comitatus" as to why military members are not armed on US soil.
Yet only nutjobs mentioned posse comitatus when it was revealed that the NSA (a part of the DoD) was spying on citizens.
It's just so... I don't know, funny.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 25, 2015 12:47 PM (AkOaV)
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Today's offering from the Ace "Bloggers in Arms" Museum comes to us from Thunder Monkey, whose site unfortunately met its maker at some point in the misty past, and now advertises "Magic Erasers 85% Off."
I felt edified as I left the premises.
I felt edified as I left the premises.
Posted by: Kate58 at July 25, 2015 12:47 PM (oLZsm)
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linked by weaselzippers:
Science has already told us that women feel more sensitive to cold temperatures, which is why going to movie theater can feel like stepping into a freezer. Working in an office all day can also be torturous if you forget to bring along a sweater. Over at The Washington Post, writer Petula Dvorak theorizes that intensely cold office temperatures are yet another example of the patriarchy dominating an environment. Dvorak researching this by talking to both women and men who are outside on their breaks away from their cubicles. Many of the women were "thawing out," trying to soak up the warm weather. When the men were asked if the temperature inside their offices was too, they had no issues. How nice for them.
Science has already told us that women feel more sensitive to cold temperatures, which is why going to movie theater can feel like stepping into a freezer. Working in an office all day can also be torturous if you forget to bring along a sweater. Over at The Washington Post, writer Petula Dvorak theorizes that intensely cold office temperatures are yet another example of the patriarchy dominating an environment. Dvorak researching this by talking to both women and men who are outside on their breaks away from their cubicles. Many of the women were "thawing out," trying to soak up the warm weather. When the men were asked if the temperature inside their offices was too, they had no issues. How nice for them.
Posted by: mallfly at July 25, 2015 12:49 PM (qSIlh)
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A friend of mine was married shortly after her return from duty in Kuwait, where she wore an automatic rifle everywhere she went. Said she felt sort of uneasy without it - even at her wedding reception.
Posted by: KT at July 25, 2015 12:49 PM (qahv/)
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Supplicants not citizens. That's what they seek. Nothing enrages, confounds and frightens them as the 2nd Amendment.
Posted by: rrpjr at July 25, 2015 12:50 PM (s/yC1)
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9, you learn to carry the damn thing everywhere and when you don't have it, you think you left it in the shitter or something.
Though as a longtime infantryman, I concede we have some folk in the Army shouldn't be trusted with live ammunition. Or blanks. Or sharp objects.
Though as a longtime infantryman, I concede we have some folk in the Army shouldn't be trusted with live ammunition. Or blanks. Or sharp objects.
Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at July 25, 2015 12:54 PM (QCwhW)
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2 Well, you know what they say about Marines:
You can lock a Marine in a room with two steel balls, open the door an hour later and you will find that he lost one and broke the other.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 25, 2015 12:42 PM (NaeCR)
Marines don't have a race problem, they're all treated like they're black.
You can lock a Marine in a room with two steel balls, open the door an hour later and you will find that he lost one and broke the other.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 25, 2015 12:42 PM (NaeCR)
Marines don't have a race problem, they're all treated like they're black.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer - Nutty Professor at July 25, 2015 12:55 PM (Edob3)
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Next time the SHTF, let the SJWs look to an unarmed Marine for help. They'll change their tune, and damn quick.
Sort of like they did when the Iraq/A'stan mess went from Chimpy McBushitler's ownership to the proprietorship of President Historic FirstŠ.
Sort of like they did when the Iraq/A'stan mess went from Chimpy McBushitler's ownership to the proprietorship of President Historic FirstŠ.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 25, 2015 12:57 PM (rCmeG)
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Yup...if you wear the uniform you should be required to carry at all times.
Speaking of infantalization I think it's time that if your say, over 6 years of age, that you don't wear your little league wannbe baseball hat on backwards anymore ok?
Speaking of infantalization I think it's time that if your say, over 6 years of age, that you don't wear your little league wannbe baseball hat on backwards anymore ok?
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 25, 2015 12:57 PM (JG47A)
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Though as a longtime infantryman, I concede we have
some folk in the Army shouldn't be trusted with live ammunition. Or
blanks. Or sharp objects.
Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at July 25, 2015 12:54 PM
Haven't most of those been promoted to Pentagon duty?
some folk in the Army shouldn't be trusted with live ammunition. Or
blanks. Or sharp objects.
Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at July 25, 2015 12:54 PM
Haven't most of those been promoted to Pentagon duty?
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 25, 2015 01:01 PM (rCmeG)
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"The idea that a United States Marine cannot be trusted with his service weapon at all times and in all places is ludicrous."
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I think that human nature has to be taken into account, as well the practical possibility of training every serviceman (or woman) to be truly competent in the handling of firearms in the regular course of their day.
It is one thing to familiarize all of the personnel with firearms and basic tactics for war, it is another thing to train them to carry, maintain, and display correct judgement in the real civilian world. In case you haven't noticed, we have the same problem with police.
It is a fact of human nature that every person that may be suited, and well trained for combat, is not necessarily possessed of the judgement to carry a weapon full-time in domestic civilian circumstances.
I could make a simple argument, and simply point to the stockades and brigs that exist to contain bad actors. When you have thousands of ordinary individuals, no matter how careful you may be in their selection, and no matter how clean their past, some will go bad.
If you would like specific examples of Marines (your choice, not mine) who have gone bad..., to the extent of violent crime and even murder, I will come up with it. I have personal experience with at least three.
On the other hand, I have no objection to any service member enjoying the same carry rights that civilians enjoy. On-base is a different matter. If I were the base CO, I wouldn't much want anyone going armed without my knowledge and permission.
My two cents.
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I think that human nature has to be taken into account, as well the practical possibility of training every serviceman (or woman) to be truly competent in the handling of firearms in the regular course of their day.
It is one thing to familiarize all of the personnel with firearms and basic tactics for war, it is another thing to train them to carry, maintain, and display correct judgement in the real civilian world. In case you haven't noticed, we have the same problem with police.
It is a fact of human nature that every person that may be suited, and well trained for combat, is not necessarily possessed of the judgement to carry a weapon full-time in domestic civilian circumstances.
I could make a simple argument, and simply point to the stockades and brigs that exist to contain bad actors. When you have thousands of ordinary individuals, no matter how careful you may be in their selection, and no matter how clean their past, some will go bad.
If you would like specific examples of Marines (your choice, not mine) who have gone bad..., to the extent of violent crime and even murder, I will come up with it. I have personal experience with at least three.
On the other hand, I have no objection to any service member enjoying the same carry rights that civilians enjoy. On-base is a different matter. If I were the base CO, I wouldn't much want anyone going armed without my knowledge and permission.
My two cents.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:04 PM (9mTYi)
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Many of the women were "thawing out," trying to soak
up the warm weather. When the men were asked if the temperature inside
their offices was too, they had no issues. How nice for them.
Posted by: mallfly at July 25, 2015 12:49 PM (qSIlh)
What they withheld was that 50% of the women were "thawing out", the other 50% were complaining that it was so fricken hot they were getting heat stroke. Of the men, 100% were OK with the temp.
up the warm weather. When the men were asked if the temperature inside
their offices was too, they had no issues. How nice for them.
Posted by: mallfly at July 25, 2015 12:49 PM (qSIlh)
What they withheld was that 50% of the women were "thawing out", the other 50% were complaining that it was so fricken hot they were getting heat stroke. Of the men, 100% were OK with the temp.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 25, 2015 01:05 PM (NaeCR)
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Though as a longtime infantryman, I concede we have
some folk in the Army shouldn't be trusted with live ammunition. Or
blanks. Or sharp objects.
Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat
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^^^^
That
some folk in the Army shouldn't be trusted with live ammunition. Or
blanks. Or sharp objects.
Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat
------------------------
^^^^
That
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:06 PM (9mTYi)
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Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:04 PM (9mTYi)
I am not suggesting that the computer tech who hasn't touched a weapon in five years be issued an M4 for carry. But there are many servicemen who are extremely competent. There is no reason why they cannot carry on base and in the civilian world.
I am not suggesting that the computer tech who hasn't touched a weapon in five years be issued an M4 for carry. But there are many servicemen who are extremely competent. There is no reason why they cannot carry on base and in the civilian world.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 25, 2015 01:08 PM (Zu3d9)
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The Infantalization of America
Movies today are either kiddie cartoons or brainless CGI explosion types. We're not getting Casablancas any more. The whole country has been dumbed down to the point were most people are utterly juvenile in their thinking and tastes. Which also explains why adults still dress like children as well. A stupid, easily lead populous is just what the left wants.
Movies today are either kiddie cartoons or brainless CGI explosion types. We're not getting Casablancas any more. The whole country has been dumbed down to the point were most people are utterly juvenile in their thinking and tastes. Which also explains why adults still dress like children as well. A stupid, easily lead populous is just what the left wants.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 25, 2015 01:10 PM (DiZBp)
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Re: #4 Ahem...
Posted by: Schroedinger's Goddamn Cat at July 25, 2015 01:10 PM (c41Rr)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 25, 2015 01:10 PM (6iLt9)
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>>> Over at The Washington Post, writer Petula Dvorak theorizes that intensely cold office temperatures are yet another example of the patriarchy dominating an environment.
I'm a trans-polar bear, MoFos. See to it that I'm comfortable.
I'm a trans-polar bear, MoFos. See to it that I'm comfortable.
Posted by: fluffy at July 25, 2015 01:10 PM (2iV3X)
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But there are many servicemen who are extremely competent.
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That is very different then the statement that, "The idea that a United States Marine cannot be trusted with his service weapon at all times and in all places is ludicrous."
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That is very different then the statement that, "The idea that a United States Marine cannot be trusted with his service weapon at all times and in all places is ludicrous."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:11 PM (9mTYi)
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Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:04 PM (9mTYi)
That is the argument the Left makes about the 2nd.
"Somebody might get hurt."
That is the argument the Left makes about the 2nd.
"Somebody might get hurt."
Posted by: eman at July 25, 2015 01:11 PM (MQEz6)
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I think that human nature has to be taken into account, as well the practical possibility of training every serviceman (or woman) to be truly competent in the handling of firearms in the regular course of their day.
It is one thing to familiarize all of the personnel with firearms and basic tactics for war, it is another thing to train them to carry, maintain, and display correct judgement in the real civilian world. In case you haven't noticed, we have the same problem with police.
It is a fact of human nature that every person that may be suited, and well trained for combat, is not necessarily possessed of the judgement to carry a weapon full-time in domestic civilian circumstances.
I could make a simple argument, and simply point to the stockades and brigs that exist to contain bad actors. When you have thousands of ordinary individuals, no matter how careful you may be in their selection, and no matter how clean their past, some will go bad.
If you would like specific examples of Marines (your choice, not mine) who have gone bad..., to the extent of violent crime and even murder, I will come up with it. I have personal experience with at least three.
On the other hand, I have no objection to any service member enjoying the same carry rights that civilians enjoy. On-base is a different matter. If I were the base CO, I wouldn't much want anyone going armed without my knowledge and permission.
My two cents.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:04 PM (9mTYi)
If you have decided that service men and women cannot be properly trained, then you will have the results we are seeing, and are likely to keep seeing: they will be targeted by the enemy.
Pick your poison. The occasional (and rare) incidents of bad actors handling situations badly... or an unarmed military, at the mercy of the enemy.
And any post commander (or other CO) who cannot trust the men under his command to handle firearms properly is not fit to command, and should go back to being the idiot civilian he really is.
It is one thing to familiarize all of the personnel with firearms and basic tactics for war, it is another thing to train them to carry, maintain, and display correct judgement in the real civilian world. In case you haven't noticed, we have the same problem with police.
It is a fact of human nature that every person that may be suited, and well trained for combat, is not necessarily possessed of the judgement to carry a weapon full-time in domestic civilian circumstances.
I could make a simple argument, and simply point to the stockades and brigs that exist to contain bad actors. When you have thousands of ordinary individuals, no matter how careful you may be in their selection, and no matter how clean their past, some will go bad.
If you would like specific examples of Marines (your choice, not mine) who have gone bad..., to the extent of violent crime and even murder, I will come up with it. I have personal experience with at least three.
On the other hand, I have no objection to any service member enjoying the same carry rights that civilians enjoy. On-base is a different matter. If I were the base CO, I wouldn't much want anyone going armed without my knowledge and permission.
My two cents.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:04 PM (9mTYi)
If you have decided that service men and women cannot be properly trained, then you will have the results we are seeing, and are likely to keep seeing: they will be targeted by the enemy.
Pick your poison. The occasional (and rare) incidents of bad actors handling situations badly... or an unarmed military, at the mercy of the enemy.
And any post commander (or other CO) who cannot trust the men under his command to handle firearms properly is not fit to command, and should go back to being the idiot civilian he really is.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 25, 2015 01:14 PM (Dj0WE)
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"Speaking of infantalization I think it's time that if your say, over 6 years of age, that you don't wear your little league wannbe baseball hat on backwards anymore ok? "
Can this become a thing, just maybe?
Can this become a thing, just maybe?
Posted by: RM at July 25, 2015 01:14 PM (fRppw)
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Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:04 PM (9mTYi)
That is the argument the Left makes about the 2nd.
"Somebody might get hurt."
Posted by: eman at July 25, 2015 01:11 PM (MQEz6)
Yep. We're all baby killers, and when we go home we beat our wives and put our service weapons in their mouths to control them.
It's what we do.
That is the argument the Left makes about the 2nd.
"Somebody might get hurt."
Posted by: eman at July 25, 2015 01:11 PM (MQEz6)
Yep. We're all baby killers, and when we go home we beat our wives and put our service weapons in their mouths to control them.
It's what we do.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 25, 2015 01:16 PM (Dj0WE)
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Over at The Washington Post, writer Petula Dvorak theorizes that intensely cold office temperatures are yet another example of the patriarchy dominating an environment.
Heh.
Will say, from personal experience that does seem to be an issue. Men are fine in 65 degrees AC, women wear sweaters in the summer.
But there have been a lot of studies done that says people are more productive when they're a little cold. Which is seemingly why every office tries to turn itself in to a meat freezer.
Heh.
Will say, from personal experience that does seem to be an issue. Men are fine in 65 degrees AC, women wear sweaters in the summer.
But there have been a lot of studies done that says people are more productive when they're a little cold. Which is seemingly why every office tries to turn itself in to a meat freezer.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 25, 2015 01:17 PM (AkOaV)
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Yep. We're all baby killers, and when we go home we beat our wives
and put our service weapons in their mouths to control them.
I saw it in a movie.
Yep. We're all baby killers, and when we go home we beat our wives
and put our service weapons in their mouths to control them.
I saw it in a movie.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 25, 2015 01:17 PM (oVJmc)
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And any post commander (or other CO) who cannot
trust the men under his command to handle firearms properly is not fit
to command, and should go back to being the idiot civilian he really
is.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 25, 2015 01:14 PM
If we have to choose between trusting armed military to do right" and "get rid of all firearms to promote Peace, Love and Understanding," I'm going with "arm the military," every time.
I don't think Klebold, Roof or this latest bozo had any kind of military records, and sure as hell none of them were even remotely close to active duty when they pulled their shit.
trust the men under his command to handle firearms properly is not fit
to command, and should go back to being the idiot civilian he really
is.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 25, 2015 01:14 PM
If we have to choose between trusting armed military to do right" and "get rid of all firearms to promote Peace, Love and Understanding," I'm going with "arm the military," every time.
I don't think Klebold, Roof or this latest bozo had any kind of military records, and sure as hell none of them were even remotely close to active duty when they pulled their shit.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 25, 2015 01:18 PM (rCmeG)
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So, the internal temperature of a building is part of the war on women.
Dang. We should have been more subtle with that. I told them the settings were too low.
Perhaps segregation is the answer.
One buliding for women and another for men.
Dang. We should have been more subtle with that. I told them the settings were too low.
Perhaps segregation is the answer.
One buliding for women and another for men.
Posted by: eman at July 25, 2015 01:19 PM (MQEz6)
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Meanwhile:
Iranian Supreme Leader Tweets Picture of Obama Committing Suicide
http://tinyurl.com/pdvfoot
Iranian Supreme Leader Tweets Picture of Obama Committing Suicide
http://tinyurl.com/pdvfoot
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 25, 2015 01:19 PM (oVJmc)
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Posted by: BurtTC at July 25, 2015 01:14 PM (Dj0WE)
They say they're worried about accidental discharges.
Which, uh... I mean, is that really a huge issue?
Let's look at how often it happens among the 100,000 or whatever police that carry firearms every day.
I'm sure it does. And I'm sure occasionally people get injured, and probably even killed.
But how often are we really talking about? I guarantee more cops die from mundane things like car accidents and heart attacks then die from accidentally discharged rounds from themselves or their colleagues.
They say they're worried about accidental discharges.
Which, uh... I mean, is that really a huge issue?
Let's look at how often it happens among the 100,000 or whatever police that carry firearms every day.
I'm sure it does. And I'm sure occasionally people get injured, and probably even killed.
But how often are we really talking about? I guarantee more cops die from mundane things like car accidents and heart attacks then die from accidentally discharged rounds from themselves or their colleagues.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 25, 2015 01:19 PM (AkOaV)
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29 Over at The Washington Post, writer Petula Dvorak theorizes that intensely cold office temperatures are yet another example of the patriarchy dominating an environment.
Heh.
Will say, from personal experience that does seem to be an issue. Men are fine in 65 degrees AC, women wear sweaters in the summer.
But there have been a lot of studies done that says people are more productive when they're a little cold. Which is seemingly why every office tries to turn itself in to a meat freezer.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 25, 2015 01:17 PM (AkOaV)
In my experience, cold for women is 73 degrees.
29 Over at The Washington Post, writer Petula Dvorak theorizes that intensely cold office temperatures are yet another example of the patriarchy dominating an environment.
Heh.
Will say, from personal experience that does seem to be an issue. Men are fine in 65 degrees AC, women wear sweaters in the summer.
But there have been a lot of studies done that says people are more productive when they're a little cold. Which is seemingly why every office tries to turn itself in to a meat freezer.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 25, 2015 01:17 PM (AkOaV)
In my experience, cold for women is 73 degrees.
Posted by: buzzion at July 25, 2015 01:20 PM (zt+N6)
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I think the actual issue that raised this question - attacks on recruiting offices and some bases - could be mostly addressed by allowing *some* personnel to be armed, as well as a few other measures
Remember the Hasan case was much more about a jaw-dropping, systemic refusal to do the responsible thing (even now, it's almost hard to believe the actual story) than about soldiers being armed on Ft. Hood. There's no way a crazy dangerous enemy like him should have been allowed to be around.
If bases are permanently on Alpha level security, then outsiders causing problems is far less likely (have any of the base attacks involved outsiders?).
Not disputing that the country, on so many things, has indeed become infantilized. It's stunning - and probably no recovery (really) is likely, at least not for a long time through some process that remains a mystery. Not sure that the carry policy for military personnel is a prominent example, however.
I think the actual issue that raised this question - attacks on recruiting offices and some bases - could be mostly addressed by allowing *some* personnel to be armed, as well as a few other measures
Remember the Hasan case was much more about a jaw-dropping, systemic refusal to do the responsible thing (even now, it's almost hard to believe the actual story) than about soldiers being armed on Ft. Hood. There's no way a crazy dangerous enemy like him should have been allowed to be around.
If bases are permanently on Alpha level security, then outsiders causing problems is far less likely (have any of the base attacks involved outsiders?).
Not disputing that the country, on so many things, has indeed become infantilized. It's stunning - and probably no recovery (really) is likely, at least not for a long time through some process that remains a mystery. Not sure that the carry policy for military personnel is a prominent example, however.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 25, 2015 01:21 PM (QDnY+)
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In my experience, cold for women is 73 degrees.
Posted by: buzzion at July 25, 2015 01:20 PM (zt+N6)
Yeah. Annoying thing in the winter in my office is the guys setting the thermostat in the high 60s, then the women setting it to low 70s, and going back and forth all day.
I personally hate it when I have 73 degree air blowing in my face while I try to work.
But the chicks dig it.
Easy solution? No women in the workplace!
/
Posted by: buzzion at July 25, 2015 01:20 PM (zt+N6)
Yeah. Annoying thing in the winter in my office is the guys setting the thermostat in the high 60s, then the women setting it to low 70s, and going back and forth all day.
I personally hate it when I have 73 degree air blowing in my face while I try to work.
But the chicks dig it.
Easy solution? No women in the workplace!
/
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 25, 2015 01:23 PM (AkOaV)
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O/T
Horde. So Obama is in Kenya. Anyone seen Moochie? Looks like she skipped this trip.
Hotel staff must not be up to par. Mrs Robinson?
Horde. So Obama is in Kenya. Anyone seen Moochie? Looks like she skipped this trip.
Hotel staff must not be up to par. Mrs Robinson?
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2015 01:24 PM (0FSuD)
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The irony of FedGov disarming soldiers "for their protection," while being unwilling and unable to protect same soldiers, is head-explosion-worthy.
At this point in time, why can't we offer training to soldiers who WANT to carry, and let them? I bet an armed Marine would be a lot more effective than a "gun free zone" sign. And those damned signs just identify hunting preserves.
For statistics on accidental discharge, etc., can't we see what happens in Israel? Don't a lot of (or all) Israeli soldiers carry while off-duy?
At this point in time, why can't we offer training to soldiers who WANT to carry, and let them? I bet an armed Marine would be a lot more effective than a "gun free zone" sign. And those damned signs just identify hunting preserves.
For statistics on accidental discharge, etc., can't we see what happens in Israel? Don't a lot of (or all) Israeli soldiers carry while off-duy?
Posted by: Agent J at July 25, 2015 01:25 PM (LfFy0)
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When did they pass/enforce this regulation of no sidearms or arms for soldiers?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2015 01:25 PM (iQIUe)
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This doesn't count as the gun thread, doesit?
Posted by: rhomboid at July 25, 2015 01:26 PM (QDnY+)
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Make a list of why military folks should not be armed in public.
Now substitute "citizens" for "military folks."
Stop being afraid.
Now substitute "citizens" for "military folks."
Stop being afraid.
Posted by: eman at July 25, 2015 01:26 PM (MQEz6)
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And Open Thread until Y-not wakes up from her nap.....
Posted by: Open Blogger at 12:40 PM
You say this like it's a bad thing. Naps be good.
And Open Thread until Y-not wakes up from her nap.....
Posted by: Open Blogger at 12:40 PM
You say this like it's a bad thing. Naps be good.
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2015 01:26 PM (0FSuD)
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eman - "Somebody might get hurt"
They are right. It would be inevitable.
My argument would be that off-base, personnel should enjoy the same privileges that civilians do. On-base, I have no problem leaving it with the CO to establish the rules.
There seems to be this idea that service people are extraordinarily possessed of good judgement. They aren't. Nor are they (or could they, practically) be trained to be as competent day-in, day-out carriers. In most cases it would become a distraction from their real jobs.
They are right. It would be inevitable.
My argument would be that off-base, personnel should enjoy the same privileges that civilians do. On-base, I have no problem leaving it with the CO to establish the rules.
There seems to be this idea that service people are extraordinarily possessed of good judgement. They aren't. Nor are they (or could they, practically) be trained to be as competent day-in, day-out carriers. In most cases it would become a distraction from their real jobs.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:26 PM (9mTYi)
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I saw a comedian last year who gave a great answer to his girlfriend as to why she was always cold but he never was: "Because I'm not dead inside."
Posted by: PabloD at July 25, 2015 01:26 PM (gKoJq)
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Horde. So Obama is in Kenya. Anyone seen Moochie? Looks like she skipped this trip.
Hotel staff must not be up to par. Mrs Robinson?
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2015 01:24 PM (0FSuD)
Obama pushes African nations to treat gays equally
Maybe he wants to marry Reggie over there.
Hotel staff must not be up to par. Mrs Robinson?
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 25, 2015 01:24 PM (0FSuD)
Obama pushes African nations to treat gays equally
Maybe he wants to marry Reggie over there.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 25, 2015 01:27 PM (DiZBp)
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Maybe he wants to marry Reggie over there.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 25, 2015 01:27 PM (DiZBp)
Can I cum er come?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 25, 2015 01:27 PM (DiZBp)
Can I cum er come?
Posted by: Barney at July 25, 2015 01:28 PM (0FSuD)
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My argument would be that off-base, personnel should enjoy the same privileges that civilians do. On-base, I have no problem leaving it with the CO to establish the rules.
There seems to be this idea that service people are extraordinarily possessed of good judgement. They aren't. Nor are they (or could they, practically) be trained to be as competent day-in, day-out carriers. In most cases it would become a distraction from their real jobs.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:26 PM (9mTYi)
Complete and utter nonsense.
You had a bad experience, I take it. You have no idea what you are talking about, otherwise.
There seems to be this idea that service people are extraordinarily possessed of good judgement. They aren't. Nor are they (or could they, practically) be trained to be as competent day-in, day-out carriers. In most cases it would become a distraction from their real jobs.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:26 PM (9mTYi)
Complete and utter nonsense.
You had a bad experience, I take it. You have no idea what you are talking about, otherwise.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 25, 2015 01:29 PM (Dj0WE)
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They aren't. Nor are they (or could they, practically) be trained to be as competent day-in, day-out carriers.
That would probably be a shock to the two soldiers that used their own personal firearms to return fire to the terrorist shithead.
That would probably be a shock to the two soldiers that used their own personal firearms to return fire to the terrorist shithead.
Posted by: buzzion at July 25, 2015 01:29 PM (zt+N6)
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Mike @ 41 - First, it's the right, not the privilege, to keep and bear arms. Second, what happens when that lawful CCW holder hits the gate? I suppose he can not carry to and from base or post.
Posted by: Butch at July 25, 2015 01:31 PM (HLx1C)
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My dad used to in the Army and later the reserves. He would tell stories of being assigned with carrying payroll across the base and being issued a .45, belt/holster..........but no ammo for the task.
He could have thrown the pistol at somebody if they'd wanted to take it I suppose.
He could have thrown the pistol at somebody if they'd wanted to take it I suppose.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 25, 2015 01:31 PM (/QgGG)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 25, 2015 01:31 PM (6iLt9)
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44 eman - "Somebody might get hurt"
They are right. It would be inevitable.
My argument would be that off-base, personnel should enjoy the same privileges that civilians do. On-base, I have no problem leaving it with the CO to establish the rules.
There seems to be this idea that service people are extraordinarily possessed of good judgement. They aren't. Nor are they (or could they, practically) be trained to be as competent day-in, day-out carriers. In most cases it would become a distraction from their real jobs.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:26 PM (9mTYi)
Inevitable and not the determining factor.
You could make the same arguments regarding citizens carrying arms in public.
Think about where you are going with this.
They are right. It would be inevitable.
My argument would be that off-base, personnel should enjoy the same privileges that civilians do. On-base, I have no problem leaving it with the CO to establish the rules.
There seems to be this idea that service people are extraordinarily possessed of good judgement. They aren't. Nor are they (or could they, practically) be trained to be as competent day-in, day-out carriers. In most cases it would become a distraction from their real jobs.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:26 PM (9mTYi)
Inevitable and not the determining factor.
You could make the same arguments regarding citizens carrying arms in public.
Think about where you are going with this.
Posted by: eman at July 25, 2015 01:32 PM (MQEz6)
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I interrupt this thread to announce a mini momee in Grand Junction CO tomorrow at the Rockslide Brewery featuring Infidel, Mindy, Cheri and suprise guests.....if you're in the area...come on by starting at 1:30pm.
I now return you to your regular grousing.
I now return you to your regular grousing.
Posted by: Cheri at July 25, 2015 01:33 PM (ZFPMM)
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Give me a tank.
Pinky swearsies that I will use excellent judgement as to who would grease the treads.
Pinky swearsies that I will use excellent judgement as to who would grease the treads.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 25, 2015 01:33 PM (6iLt9)
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I knew people in the service I wouldn't trust with a sport, never mind a loaded weapon.
Posted by: Butch at July 25, 2015 01:33 PM (HLx1C)
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Not disputing that the country, on so many things, has indeed become infantilized. It's stunning - and probably no recovery (really) is likely, at least not for a long time
through some process that remains a mystery.
The Burning Times. Forced "Sack Up".
through some process that remains a mystery.
The Burning Times. Forced "Sack Up".
Posted by: rickb223 at July 25, 2015 01:33 PM (qTDYq)
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Might be hard (lack of info, apples vs. oranges WRT social/security conditions), but what's the before/after comparison on this no-carry policy?
That is what are the facts on security problems, NDs, etc. before the change in policy (Clinton years? before that, not sure?) vs. AFTER the policy change.
Recruiting stations are probably not a good comparison - pre-9/11, I don't recall an ongoing, widespread security issue that is comparable to today.
Might be hard (lack of info, apples vs. oranges WRT social/security conditions), but what's the before/after comparison on this no-carry policy?
That is what are the facts on security problems, NDs, etc. before the change in policy (Clinton years? before that, not sure?) vs. AFTER the policy change.
Recruiting stations are probably not a good comparison - pre-9/11, I don't recall an ongoing, widespread security issue that is comparable to today.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 25, 2015 01:33 PM (QDnY+)
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Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:11 PM (9mTYi)
I am confident that the training that the armed forces provides is more than adequate to prevent wholesale slaughter in the streets of America by servicemen spraying 5.56 rounds by accident.
I trust Americans, and I trust our servicemen.
Our government doesn't, and that is the issue.
I am confident that the training that the armed forces provides is more than adequate to prevent wholesale slaughter in the streets of America by servicemen spraying 5.56 rounds by accident.
I trust Americans, and I trust our servicemen.
Our government doesn't, and that is the issue.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 25, 2015 01:34 PM (Zu3d9)
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Sport, not sport! Eff you, autocucumber!
Posted by: Butch at July 25, 2015 01:35 PM (HLx1C)
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Spork?
Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 25, 2015 01:35 PM (6iLt9)
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Spork.
Posted by: Butch at July 25, 2015 01:36 PM (HLx1C)
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Heh.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 25, 2015 01:36 PM (6iLt9)
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Yep. We're all baby killers, and when we go home we beat our wives and put our service weapons in their mouths to control them.
It's what we do.
Posted by: BurtTC
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You're setting up a straw man.
You don't have a service weapon at home. That's part of what this discussion is about.
It's what we do.
Posted by: BurtTC
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You're setting up a straw man.
You don't have a service weapon at home. That's part of what this discussion is about.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:36 PM (9mTYi)
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There seems to be this idea that service
people are extraordinarily possessed of
good judgement. They aren't. Nor are they
(or could they, practically) be trained to be
as competent day-in, day-out carriers. In
most cases it would become a distraction
from their real jobs.
Substitute "service people" with civilian chl and see if the argument holds up. I carry daily. Doesn't seem to ddistract me.
people are extraordinarily possessed of
good judgement. They aren't. Nor are they
(or could they, practically) be trained to be
as competent day-in, day-out carriers. In
most cases it would become a distraction
from their real jobs.
Substitute "service people" with civilian chl and see if the argument holds up. I carry daily. Doesn't seem to ddistract me.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 25, 2015 01:36 PM (qTDYq)
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Posted by: mallfly at July 25, 2015 12:49 PM (qSIlh)
Back when one loud-mouthed manipulative woman in the department bitched about the temperature until it was cranked up to suit her, making my office into a sauna. (I once brought a thermometer from the lab; it was 92 F in my office in mid-winter in the Northeast.) Nothing like wearing a wool suit in 92 F weather.
Another problem was in stepping outside, where it was 20 F. Yow.
Back when one loud-mouthed manipulative woman in the department bitched about the temperature until it was cranked up to suit her, making my office into a sauna. (I once brought a thermometer from the lab; it was 92 F in my office in mid-winter in the Northeast.) Nothing like wearing a wool suit in 92 F weather.
Another problem was in stepping outside, where it was 20 F. Yow.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 25, 2015 01:37 PM (oKE6c)
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I am confident that the training that the armed forces provides is more than adequate to prevent wholesale slaughter in the streets of America by servicemen
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Charles Whitman.
Marine.
14 people dead
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Charles Whitman.
Marine.
14 people dead
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:39 PM (9mTYi)
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Obama pushes African nations to treat gays equally
He should be pushing them to treat whites equally.
He should be pushing them to treat whites equally.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 25, 2015 01:39 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 25, 2015 01:40 PM (qTDYq)
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" a mini momee in Grand Junction CO "
That sounds grand, Cheri. Wish I could be there. Beautiful weather, beautiful scenery.
That sounds grand, Cheri. Wish I could be there. Beautiful weather, beautiful scenery.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 25, 2015 01:40 PM (/QgGG)
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Charles Whitman.
Marine.
14 people dead
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:39 PM (9mTYi)
Subsequently found to have had a brain tumor, now suspected of causing the change in his personality.
Marine.
14 people dead
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:39 PM (9mTYi)
Subsequently found to have had a brain tumor, now suspected of causing the change in his personality.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 25, 2015 01:40 PM (oKE6c)
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33
Meanwhile:
Iranian Supreme Leader Tweets Picture of Obama Committing Suicide
http://tinyurl.com/pdvfoot
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Our partners in Mideast peace!
*facepalm*
Meanwhile:
Iranian Supreme Leader Tweets Picture of Obama Committing Suicide
http://tinyurl.com/pdvfoot
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Our partners in Mideast peace!
*facepalm*
Posted by: exdem13 at July 25, 2015 01:40 PM (ry4ab)
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DC used to be interesting on humid 95-degree days, step inside, soaking wet, and within minutes be "crisped" and almost cold.
But funniest situation I've had was an unnamed overseas govt. vacation when it was 120 degrees outside (but it's a dry heat) and our office was about 60 (engineers said they had to do that so the Marines in the basement wouldn't cook). Some women wore gloves, everyone wore fleeces. Then, for "warmth breaks", we could step outside into a little courtyard for the 120. But you'd instantly start to get drowsy and relaxed. They fixed the situation in my second year.
DC used to be interesting on humid 95-degree days, step inside, soaking wet, and within minutes be "crisped" and almost cold.
But funniest situation I've had was an unnamed overseas govt. vacation when it was 120 degrees outside (but it's a dry heat) and our office was about 60 (engineers said they had to do that so the Marines in the basement wouldn't cook). Some women wore gloves, everyone wore fleeces. Then, for "warmth breaks", we could step outside into a little courtyard for the 120. But you'd instantly start to get drowsy and relaxed. They fixed the situation in my second year.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 25, 2015 01:41 PM (QDnY+)
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Substitute "service people" with civilian chl and see if the argument holds up. I carry daily. Doesn't seem to ddistract me.
Posted by: rickb223
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That is because you are , presumably, possessed of good judgement, and presumably, good self discipline. Can you say the same of all of the people around you?
Posted by: rickb223
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That is because you are , presumably, possessed of good judgement, and presumably, good self discipline. Can you say the same of all of the people around you?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:42 PM (9mTYi)
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This policy was put in effect by Bill Clinton and the common sense gun control GOPe.
So why doesn't Orange Crush and the Tennessee Turtle put forth a bill to allow it again?
That's right Obama will probably veto it so let's not even try.
Got to have both chambers and the White House before they can do anything.
So why doesn't Orange Crush and the Tennessee Turtle put forth a bill to allow it again?
That's right Obama will probably veto it so let's not even try.
Got to have both chambers and the White House before they can do anything.
Posted by: Kreplach at July 25, 2015 01:42 PM (WVvzl)
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Charles Whitman
"There was a rumor, of a tumor. Nestled in the basement of his brain."
I sorta remember somebody did an inappropriate song. Kinky Freidman I think.
"There was a rumor, of a tumor. Nestled in the basement of his brain."
I sorta remember somebody did an inappropriate song. Kinky Freidman I think.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at July 25, 2015 01:43 PM (MDvKH)
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Some governors have of course changed the policy WRT to their Nat. Guard personnel, which is interesting.
Some governors have of course changed the policy WRT to their Nat. Guard personnel, which is interesting.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 25, 2015 01:44 PM (QDnY+)
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At heyjackass.com, they keep track of all kinds of statistics regarding shootings in the fair city of Chicago. (the best two are Shot In The Junk, 20 atm, and Shot In The Ass, at a count of 93 for 2015)
They also keep a count on Selfies (which excludes suicides/attempts) -- This count is at 22 for the year. So, two points I want to make from that statistic:
1. It will happen to soldiers, and the VERY FIRST ONE will provoke a firestorm in the media after a rule change. This, you can count on.
2. These selfies are happening to people that probably are used to handling firearms on a near daily basis. Illegally, for the most part probably, but still...
I support our military being able to carry. But there will be a price to pay for that , as there will ALSO be cases of arguments settled with guns. Also to consider -- A large contingent of our military personnel are young men, known to be 'young, dumb, and full of mayonnaise'. Something like that. I think they would have better judgement, on average, than your typical young man...
But yeah, there will be some poor decisions made. I can live with that.
They also keep a count on Selfies (which excludes suicides/attempts) -- This count is at 22 for the year. So, two points I want to make from that statistic:
1. It will happen to soldiers, and the VERY FIRST ONE will provoke a firestorm in the media after a rule change. This, you can count on.
2. These selfies are happening to people that probably are used to handling firearms on a near daily basis. Illegally, for the most part probably, but still...
I support our military being able to carry. But there will be a price to pay for that , as there will ALSO be cases of arguments settled with guns. Also to consider -- A large contingent of our military personnel are young men, known to be 'young, dumb, and full of mayonnaise'. Something like that. I think they would have better judgement, on average, than your typical young man...
But yeah, there will be some poor decisions made. I can live with that.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 25, 2015 01:44 PM (fV2bM)
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A survey of 1,234 bearded raghead goatfuckers reveals that 110% support current US military policy of not arming infidel soldiers on US duty stations.
Posted by: Consider This at July 25, 2015 01:44 PM (daK7R)
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That is because you are , presumably, possessed of good judgement, and presumably, good self discipline.
Can you say the same of all of the people around
you?
I have to think they are.
Or be for gun banning.
Not gonna happen.
Can you say the same of all of the people around
you?
I have to think they are.
Or be for gun banning.
Not gonna happen.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 25, 2015 01:45 PM (qTDYq)
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Yep. We're all baby killers, and when we go home we beat our wives and put our service weapons in their mouths to control them.
It's what we do.
Posted by: BurtTC
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You're setting up a straw man.
You don't have a service weapon at home. That's part of what this discussion is about.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:36 PM (9mTYi)
Really? You're going to argue semantics?
Alright, not a service weapon (although it may come to that). A weapon. Happy?
You are the one arguing the strawman position. The deranged serviceman is the cliche the left created for you. Yes, they exist. As they do everywhere you are.
The reason you HAVE an armed services is to defend and protect the country. If you enemy is inside. What do you do?
Surrender? Because some of those folks we swear in are not quite up to the task?
This is not a rhetorical question. You have an enemy that is coming here. Now. We're going to have more of this, not less. We're going to need an armed force INSIDE this country.
Unless you want to give up.
It's what we do.
Posted by: BurtTC
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You're setting up a straw man.
You don't have a service weapon at home. That's part of what this discussion is about.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:36 PM (9mTYi)
Really? You're going to argue semantics?
Alright, not a service weapon (although it may come to that). A weapon. Happy?
You are the one arguing the strawman position. The deranged serviceman is the cliche the left created for you. Yes, they exist. As they do everywhere you are.
The reason you HAVE an armed services is to defend and protect the country. If you enemy is inside. What do you do?
Surrender? Because some of those folks we swear in are not quite up to the task?
This is not a rhetorical question. You have an enemy that is coming here. Now. We're going to have more of this, not less. We're going to need an armed force INSIDE this country.
Unless you want to give up.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 25, 2015 01:45 PM (Dj0WE)
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Subsequently found to have had a brain tumor, now suspected of causing the change in his personality.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
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How does that alter the discussion?
By saying that he was "sick"?
Posted by: Jay Guevara
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How does that alter the discussion?
By saying that he was "sick"?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:45 PM (9mTYi)
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Can you say the same of all of the people around you?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:42 PM (9mTYi)
Exercise of rights is not based on good judgement and self discipline.
If there is a problem, then society will deal with it after the fact.
Change "gun" to "vote" and see how it reads then.....
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:42 PM (9mTYi)
Exercise of rights is not based on good judgement and self discipline.
If there is a problem, then society will deal with it after the fact.
Change "gun" to "vote" and see how it reads then.....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 25, 2015 01:45 PM (Zu3d9)
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Posted by: rhomboid at July 25, 2015 01:41 PM (QDnY+)
That was the flip side of my situation too. Mid-summer was humid and 95 F, but my office was 60 F (another thermometer job, just to check the facts). I'd come in wearing a short-sleeved shirt and summer weight slacks, and freeze my ass (in my office; my lab, OTOH, was not air-conditioned, so that outfit felt just fine there).
I think the problem was the relative location of the thermostat vis a vis the heating/cooling registers.
That was the flip side of my situation too. Mid-summer was humid and 95 F, but my office was 60 F (another thermometer job, just to check the facts). I'd come in wearing a short-sleeved shirt and summer weight slacks, and freeze my ass (in my office; my lab, OTOH, was not air-conditioned, so that outfit felt just fine there).
I think the problem was the relative location of the thermostat vis a vis the heating/cooling registers.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 25, 2015 01:45 PM (oKE6c)
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Had a friend who flew back from VN on one of those commercial charters full of troops. He said they let them keep their weapons because returning home to base or something but confiscated all the ammo. He said most everyone taped rounds to their ankles and such and reloaded in flight because they were all too nervous unarmed.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 25, 2015 01:46 PM (nSj9w)
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Perhaps I miss-understood the statement above, but as a Soldier, there is no way in hell I'd want to lug my "service weapon", i.e. personally assigned weapon, around base at all times. When anything to the degree of "service weapon" is stated to me, as a green suiter, that typically means my M-4.
What I would like to see is the permission to carry a concealed hand gun on post. Nevertheless, due to a lot of the career-ism that exists in the Army right now, the organization is extremely resistant to allowing us to have POWs (Personally Owned Weapons) on base housing at all.
Rather than sensible rules, requiring use to qualify at a certain standard to demonstrate we are proficient with that fire arm, installation commanders see it fit instead to require registration of fire arms at the MP (Military Police) station. Once registered, if you are on post at any time with a Personally Owned Weapon, to include your home if you live on post, the weapon must be unloaded, secured (either with a trigger lock or in a safe), with ammunition separate from the weapon.
I suppose one of the major reasons behind the resistance to allowing us to arm ourselves stateside is because many Generals are selected by Congress, and it is only natural for Congress to select those who fall in line with their view of the world.
I think on my will and testament, I will leave a clause stating that I would like a all unarmed zones on military installations to be open for concealed carry by military members. That way, if I end up as another statistic in a mass killing, perhaps it would lend some strength to the argument.
What I would like to see is the permission to carry a concealed hand gun on post. Nevertheless, due to a lot of the career-ism that exists in the Army right now, the organization is extremely resistant to allowing us to have POWs (Personally Owned Weapons) on base housing at all.
Rather than sensible rules, requiring use to qualify at a certain standard to demonstrate we are proficient with that fire arm, installation commanders see it fit instead to require registration of fire arms at the MP (Military Police) station. Once registered, if you are on post at any time with a Personally Owned Weapon, to include your home if you live on post, the weapon must be unloaded, secured (either with a trigger lock or in a safe), with ammunition separate from the weapon.
I suppose one of the major reasons behind the resistance to allowing us to arm ourselves stateside is because many Generals are selected by Congress, and it is only natural for Congress to select those who fall in line with their view of the world.
I think on my will and testament, I will leave a clause stating that I would like a all unarmed zones on military installations to be open for concealed carry by military members. That way, if I end up as another statistic in a mass killing, perhaps it would lend some strength to the argument.
Posted by: CPT Oblivious at July 25, 2015 01:46 PM (aDtdG)
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Nor are they (or could they, practically) be trained to be as competent day-in, day-out carriers.
The f you say.
The f you say.
Posted by: traye at July 25, 2015 01:46 PM (fM8JG)
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Charles Whitman.
Marine.
14 people dead
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:39 PM (9mTYi)
Lemme guess, your second example: L. H. Oswald.
Marine.
14 people dead
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:39 PM (9mTYi)
Lemme guess, your second example: L. H. Oswald.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 25, 2015 01:47 PM (Dj0WE)
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How does that alter the discussion?
By saying that he was "sick"?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:45 PM (9mTYi)/i]
It alters it because the relevant variable here was not so much "Marine" but rather "sick." The fact that he'd been a Marine probably made him more competent as a sharpshooter, but didn't cause the incident. The brain tumor did, and anyone can get a brain tumor.
By saying that he was "sick"?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:45 PM (9mTYi)/i]
It alters it because the relevant variable here was not so much "Marine" but rather "sick." The fact that he'd been a Marine probably made him more competent as a sharpshooter, but didn't cause the incident. The brain tumor did, and anyone can get a brain tumor.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 25, 2015 01:48 PM (oKE6c)
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67
I am confident that the training that the armed forces provides is more
than adequate to prevent wholesale slaughter in the streets of America
by servicemen
------------------
Charles Whitman.
Marine.
14 people dead
----------
Lee Harvey Oswald
Marine
2 people dead
That's two (2) aberrant Marines so far, haven't broke twenty yet, and they did their deeds before I was born. How many U.S. military personnel in the USA have been killed or injured while unarmed by jihadis who knew where to go?
I say let on-duty personnel at the bases be armed and ready in this day and age where an attacker can suddenly emerge from the crowd. Let the recruiters be allowed self-defense weapons-and the authority to use them-should the need arise.
But again, this debate is a tangent on the real issue. Namely, since 2009 GWOT has gone so poorly for us that the enemy now dares to hit us on our own turf, with knowledge of our weaknesses.
I am confident that the training that the armed forces provides is more
than adequate to prevent wholesale slaughter in the streets of America
by servicemen
------------------
Charles Whitman.
Marine.
14 people dead
----------
Lee Harvey Oswald
Marine
2 people dead
That's two (2) aberrant Marines so far, haven't broke twenty yet, and they did their deeds before I was born. How many U.S. military personnel in the USA have been killed or injured while unarmed by jihadis who knew where to go?
I say let on-duty personnel at the bases be armed and ready in this day and age where an attacker can suddenly emerge from the crowd. Let the recruiters be allowed self-defense weapons-and the authority to use them-should the need arise.
But again, this debate is a tangent on the real issue. Namely, since 2009 GWOT has gone so poorly for us that the enemy now dares to hit us on our own turf, with knowledge of our weaknesses.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 25, 2015 01:48 PM (ry4ab)
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@79
We now have islamists gunning down soldiers on US soil and illegal aliens trolling GOP candidates with impunity, so we got that going for us.
We now have islamists gunning down soldiers on US soil and illegal aliens trolling GOP candidates with impunity, so we got that going for us.
Posted by: Kreplach at July 25, 2015 01:49 PM (WVvzl)
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Can you say the same of all of the people around you?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:42 PM (9mTYi)
You sound like you would complain that concealed carry laws would cause shootouts in the streets. Or that no one should be allowed to have a gun, because you can't ensure that every single person in the country has good judgment.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:42 PM (9mTYi)
You sound like you would complain that concealed carry laws would cause shootouts in the streets. Or that no one should be allowed to have a gun, because you can't ensure that every single person in the country has good judgment.
Posted by: buzzion at July 25, 2015 01:50 PM (zt+N6)
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So exdem13 this President is making a production of The Selling of Manhattan with the Ayatollah in the role of a malevolent Peter Stuyvesant.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 25, 2015 01:50 PM (OFn2P)
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Perhaps I miss-understood the statement above, but as a Soldier, there is no way in hell I'd want to lug my "service weapon", i.e. personally assigned weapon, around base at all times. When anything to the degree of "service weapon" is stated to me, as a green suiter, that typically means my M-4.
Posted by: CPT Oblivious at July 25, 2015 01:46 PM (aDtdG)
No, you're right. I used the wrong term when I said "service weapon," because I was thinking of it in the context of how we expect cops to carry theirs around these days.
I do think it could come to that though, when and IF we decide to get serious about this stuff. On-duty soldiers, sailors, Marines, carrying a holstered handgun, either concealed or not. A service weapon. With SOME of them authorized to carry when off-duty as well.
Posted by: CPT Oblivious at July 25, 2015 01:46 PM (aDtdG)
No, you're right. I used the wrong term when I said "service weapon," because I was thinking of it in the context of how we expect cops to carry theirs around these days.
I do think it could come to that though, when and IF we decide to get serious about this stuff. On-duty soldiers, sailors, Marines, carrying a holstered handgun, either concealed or not. A service weapon. With SOME of them authorized to carry when off-duty as well.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 25, 2015 01:50 PM (Dj0WE)
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Kreplach, going O/T here a bit, but the lack of single veto - or serious Dem filibuster situation - since the 2014 election is a jaw-dropping and inexplicable thing for those with any understanding of constitutional mechanics and politics. I mean it cannot be explained away. As the shallow, arrogant, and illiterate histrionics of the apologists in these comment threads confirm.
If you're trying to beat the other side and replace their policies with yours, with public support, you *differentiate*. The most basic principle of politics at the national level in a two-party system since, forever.
A significant (at times comical) % of all Senate amendment activity in "normal" times is all about this - putting vulnerable opponents on-record to create clubs with which to beat them in their re-election campaigns. You put the entire opposite party on the hot seat with veto over-ride votes. Kind of the whole idea, kind of the whole genius of the system, in terms of giving the electorate choices and the elected ones "accountability" moments.
In the bizarre and unique 2009 - 2014 period, there was essentially no normal legislative activity. CRs replaced budgeting and appropriations. Utterly bizarre, unconstitutional, and of course an effective way of essentially preventing any visible political battles from being waged in sight of the infantilized public. And beneficial to the ruling Dems (no real process, ruling by momentum and decree) and those GOPers content with the effectively gerrymandered House and tidal back/forth of the Senate.
Kreplach, going O/T here a bit, but the lack of single veto - or serious Dem filibuster situation - since the 2014 election is a jaw-dropping and inexplicable thing for those with any understanding of constitutional mechanics and politics. I mean it cannot be explained away. As the shallow, arrogant, and illiterate histrionics of the apologists in these comment threads confirm.
If you're trying to beat the other side and replace their policies with yours, with public support, you *differentiate*. The most basic principle of politics at the national level in a two-party system since, forever.
A significant (at times comical) % of all Senate amendment activity in "normal" times is all about this - putting vulnerable opponents on-record to create clubs with which to beat them in their re-election campaigns. You put the entire opposite party on the hot seat with veto over-ride votes. Kind of the whole idea, kind of the whole genius of the system, in terms of giving the electorate choices and the elected ones "accountability" moments.
In the bizarre and unique 2009 - 2014 period, there was essentially no normal legislative activity. CRs replaced budgeting and appropriations. Utterly bizarre, unconstitutional, and of course an effective way of essentially preventing any visible political battles from being waged in sight of the infantilized public. And beneficial to the ruling Dems (no real process, ruling by momentum and decree) and those GOPers content with the effectively gerrymandered House and tidal back/forth of the Senate.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 25, 2015 01:52 PM (QDnY+)
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Mike Hammer, Nidal Hassan Chop! shooting up a room full unarmed American soldiers on base trumps any mention of Whiteman or Oswald.
Again the rules were followed by everyone except the killer.
Again the rules were followed by everyone except the killer.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 25, 2015 01:53 PM (OFn2P)
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I've been around enough privates (stop giggling, I'm serious) to disagree a bit. I would propose making it an E-7 and up with training and O-6 signature to carry a personally owned weapon on post. That should result in enough of them on post to make a difference (at least as a deterrent).
I'm not convincedevery knucklehead that scraped through basicbut still hasn't figured out which end to keep down range should walk around the PX with a firearm.
I'm not convincedevery knucklehead that scraped through basicbut still hasn't figured out which end to keep down range should walk around the PX with a firearm.
Posted by: f2000 at July 25, 2015 01:53 PM (5xwgn)
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What I would like to see is the permission to carry a concealed hand gun on post.
Open carry, holstered pistol. From a lowly private on up.
Texas allows commissioned security guards at age 18.
I was commissioned at 19. arried to and from work and while at work.
What made me so special that I could be trusted to carry unsupervised?
Open carry, holstered pistol. From a lowly private on up.
Texas allows commissioned security guards at age 18.
I was commissioned at 19. arried to and from work and while at work.
What made me so special that I could be trusted to carry unsupervised?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 25, 2015 01:54 PM (qTDYq)
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 25, 2015 01:55 PM (fV2bM)
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You are the one arguing the strawman position. The deranged serviceman is the cliche the left created for you.
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I said nothing about 'deranged servicemen'. I only mentioned Whitman as a direct contradiction to,
"I am confident that the training that the armed forces provides is more than adequate to prevent wholesale slaughter in the streets of America by servicemen "
I haven't said anything about deranged servicemen, or 'wholesale slaughter'. I am not the one engaging in hyperbole.
The Left have 'created' nothing for me, and it is a deflection for you to conflate my opinions with 'The Left'. My opinions are my own, and the consequence of decades of association with people , both in the various services (all of of them), and ordinary civilians.
I expect someone to suggest at any moment that I don't know anything about firearms either.
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I said nothing about 'deranged servicemen'. I only mentioned Whitman as a direct contradiction to,
"I am confident that the training that the armed forces provides is more than adequate to prevent wholesale slaughter in the streets of America by servicemen "
I haven't said anything about deranged servicemen, or 'wholesale slaughter'. I am not the one engaging in hyperbole.
The Left have 'created' nothing for me, and it is a deflection for you to conflate my opinions with 'The Left'. My opinions are my own, and the consequence of decades of association with people , both in the various services (all of of them), and ordinary civilians.
I expect someone to suggest at any moment that I don't know anything about firearms either.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:55 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 25, 2015 01:56 PM (oKE6c)
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93
So exdem13 this President is making a production of The Selling of Manhattan with the Ayatollah in the role of a malevolent Peter Stuyvesant.
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Not a good comparison, Anna. the Indians in question didn't live on or own Manhattan, so they felt their $24 of beads was something good in return for a situation that didn't bother or hurt them in the least. (At least at that time.) And at least they had that box of beads to share out afterwards. Obummer and Lurch didn't even get that much.
So exdem13 this President is making a production of The Selling of Manhattan with the Ayatollah in the role of a malevolent Peter Stuyvesant.
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Not a good comparison, Anna. the Indians in question didn't live on or own Manhattan, so they felt their $24 of beads was something good in return for a situation that didn't bother or hurt them in the least. (At least at that time.) And at least they had that box of beads to share out afterwards. Obummer and Lurch didn't even get that much.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 25, 2015 01:56 PM (ry4ab)
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Posted by: rhomboid at July 25, 2015 01:52 PM (QDnY+)
Also, per the previous thread, we need a line item veto.
Also, per the previous thread, we need a line item veto.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 25, 2015 01:56 PM (oKE6c)
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One interesting thing I read on the North Korea news (not from NK)
Live ammo is very carefully handed out to any NK soldiers. If one bullet is missing after an exercise. The whole unit is put under arrest. Officers can be sent to the re-education camp, etc. The Great Leader is so afraid that even one bullet might find it's way too him by super-sonic spreed.
Live ammo is very carefully handed out to any NK soldiers. If one bullet is missing after an exercise. The whole unit is put under arrest. Officers can be sent to the re-education camp, etc. The Great Leader is so afraid that even one bullet might find it's way too him by super-sonic spreed.
Posted by: Colin at July 25, 2015 01:56 PM (dvwsD)
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If the US was invaded, then of course our soldiers would have to be armed. That would trump any "posse commitatus" type consideration.
But because of our liberal agenda immigration/PC policies, we have essentially allowed enemy combatants to come here and operate here. So the left's own policies have made this one unworkable, whereas we could have gotten away with it in the past.
But because of our liberal agenda immigration/PC policies, we have essentially allowed enemy combatants to come here and operate here. So the left's own policies have made this one unworkable, whereas we could have gotten away with it in the past.
Posted by: Ariana Grande at July 25, 2015 01:57 PM (WhB4J)
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I've been around enough privates (stop giggling, I'm serious) to disagree a bit. I would propose making it an E-7 and up with training and O-6 signature to carry a personally owned weapon on post. That should result in enough of them on post to make a difference (at least as a deterrent).
I'm not convincedevery knucklehead that scraped through basicbut still hasn't figured out which end to keep down range should walk around the PX with a firearm.
Posted by: f2000
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I agree.
I'm not convincedevery knucklehead that scraped through basicbut still hasn't figured out which end to keep down range should walk around the PX with a firearm.
Posted by: f2000
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I agree.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:57 PM (9mTYi)
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I'm out for lunch.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:58 PM (9mTYi)
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Not a good comparison, Anna. the Indians in question
didn't live on or own Manhattan, so they felt their $24 of beads was
something good in return for a situation that didn't bother or hurt them
in the least. (At least at that time.) And at least they had that box
of beads to share out afterwards. Obummer and Lurch didn't even get that
much.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 25, 2015 01:56 PM (ry4ab)
What about the magic beans they got?
didn't live on or own Manhattan, so they felt their $24 of beads was
something good in return for a situation that didn't bother or hurt them
in the least. (At least at that time.) And at least they had that box
of beads to share out afterwards. Obummer and Lurch didn't even get that
much.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 25, 2015 01:56 PM (ry4ab)
What about the magic beans they got?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 25, 2015 01:59 PM (oKE6c)
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96
Again the rules were followed by everyone except the killer.
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There's the rub, Anna. The enemy has a copy of our rulebook, highlighted and annotated. The more the government dicks around and pretends GWOT isn't happening, the more the enemy will use the situation to his advantage.
Again the rules were followed by everyone except the killer.
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There's the rub, Anna. The enemy has a copy of our rulebook, highlighted and annotated. The more the government dicks around and pretends GWOT isn't happening, the more the enemy will use the situation to his advantage.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 25, 2015 02:00 PM (ry4ab)
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104 One interesting thing I read on the North Korea news (not from NK)
Live ammo is very carefully handed out to any NK soldiers. If one bullet is missing after an exercise. The whole unit is put under arrest. Officers can be sent to the re-education camp, etc. The Great Leader is so afraid that even one bullet might find it's way too him by super-sonic spreed.
Posted by: Colin at July 25, 2015 01:56 PM (dvwsD)
Obongo clearly took the message to heart. Remember when he did the same thing when he visited Iraq?
Live ammo is very carefully handed out to any NK soldiers. If one bullet is missing after an exercise. The whole unit is put under arrest. Officers can be sent to the re-education camp, etc. The Great Leader is so afraid that even one bullet might find it's way too him by super-sonic spreed.
Posted by: Colin at July 25, 2015 01:56 PM (dvwsD)
Obongo clearly took the message to heart. Remember when he did the same thing when he visited Iraq?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 25, 2015 02:00 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 25, 2015 02:01 PM (qTDYq)
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Jay I believe line-item veto was found unconstitutional (and reasonably so), a few years back, so that's off the menu (unless I'm mis-remembering all this, which is very possible).
I'm referring more to the strategic political value of veto fights.
In macro terms, the situation we're in nationally, with such dramatic and unpopular policies (not to mention unconstitutional, with the SCOTUS now completely off the rails), and yet not a single high-profile veto fight or real filibuster - is inexplicable. That is, if the "opposition" party is serious.
Hence the well-founded, if not always perfectly expressed, widespread unease and lack of confidence in the GOP as an "opposition" party. The national situation is the 1850s; the political situation in DC is the late 1950s. Doesn't add up.
Jay I believe line-item veto was found unconstitutional (and reasonably so), a few years back, so that's off the menu (unless I'm mis-remembering all this, which is very possible).
I'm referring more to the strategic political value of veto fights.
In macro terms, the situation we're in nationally, with such dramatic and unpopular policies (not to mention unconstitutional, with the SCOTUS now completely off the rails), and yet not a single high-profile veto fight or real filibuster - is inexplicable. That is, if the "opposition" party is serious.
Hence the well-founded, if not always perfectly expressed, widespread unease and lack of confidence in the GOP as an "opposition" party. The national situation is the 1850s; the political situation in DC is the late 1950s. Doesn't add up.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 25, 2015 02:01 PM (QDnY+)
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I expect someone to suggest at any moment that I don't know anything about firearms either.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:55 PM (9mTYi)
Maybe you do, maybe you don't. All I know is you are basing your opinions on something other than reality. Your limited perception, perhaps, but that's not reality.
If you aren't talking about deranged servicemen, they why bring up Charles Whitman? What ARE you talking about, if you don't want the armed services to be, in fact, armed?
What's got you so spooked. Speak up, or others will assume for you what you mean. Right now, we have you specifically mentioning one deranged serviceman. If it's not about that, then what?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:55 PM (9mTYi)
Maybe you do, maybe you don't. All I know is you are basing your opinions on something other than reality. Your limited perception, perhaps, but that's not reality.
If you aren't talking about deranged servicemen, they why bring up Charles Whitman? What ARE you talking about, if you don't want the armed services to be, in fact, armed?
What's got you so spooked. Speak up, or others will assume for you what you mean. Right now, we have you specifically mentioning one deranged serviceman. If it's not about that, then what?
Posted by: BurtTC at July 25, 2015 02:01 PM (Dj0WE)
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What should change this argument is the fact that now uniform military is the target at home no ifs ands or buts. Find some arrangement to arm a good percentage of personnel be it officers , NCO's and various job descriptions.
Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2015 02:01 PM (2baGi)
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I feel like I'm in crazy land here. Is this Ace of Spades or kos?
In almost every state any non felon 21 year old can carry. I'd damned sure trust an 18-20 military (any branch) that has a Sgt or Chief to answer to with a hand gun, than your average civilian 21 year old schmuck.
In almost every state any non felon 21 year old can carry. I'd damned sure trust an 18-20 military (any branch) that has a Sgt or Chief to answer to with a hand gun, than your average civilian 21 year old schmuck.
Posted by: traye at July 25, 2015 02:01 PM (fM8JG)
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>>>What about the magic beans they got?<<<
They're being used in a poultice to help Kerry mend his broken leg.
They're being used in a poultice to help Kerry mend his broken leg.
Posted by: Fritz at July 25, 2015 02:01 PM (UzPAd)
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Again the rules were followed by everyone except the killer.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 25, 2015 01:53 PM (OFn2P)
__________
Clearly we need more "gun-free zone" signs.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 25, 2015 01:53 PM (OFn2P)
__________
Clearly we need more "gun-free zone" signs.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 25, 2015 02:02 PM (oKE6c)
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Good points exdem13, I am scratching my head trying to find a historical parallel of such a bad deal. And all I keep returning to is Darth Vader telling Lando to not make him alter the deal any further. But this President isn't even half as good as Lando who is a mostly competent rouge.
Jay, you mean those glowing beans? Just waiting for them to explode into giant mushrooms.
Jay, you mean those glowing beans? Just waiting for them to explode into giant mushrooms.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 25, 2015 02:03 PM (OFn2P)
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108
Not a good comparison, Anna. the Indians in question
didn't live on or own Manhattan, so they felt their $24 of beads was
something good in return for a situation that didn't bother or hurt them
in the least. (At least at that time.) And at least they had that box
of beads to share out afterwards. Obummer and Lurch didn't even get that
much.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 25, 2015 01:56 PM (ry4ab)
What about the magic beans they got?
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More like magic hummus that gave 'em psychedelic delusions.
Not a good comparison, Anna. the Indians in question
didn't live on or own Manhattan, so they felt their $24 of beads was
something good in return for a situation that didn't bother or hurt them
in the least. (At least at that time.) And at least they had that box
of beads to share out afterwards. Obummer and Lurch didn't even get that
much.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 25, 2015 01:56 PM (ry4ab)
What about the magic beans they got?
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More like magic hummus that gave 'em psychedelic delusions.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 25, 2015 02:03 PM (ry4ab)
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I've been around enough privates (stop giggling, I'm serious) to disagree a bit. I would propose making it an E-7 and up with training and O-6 signature to carry a personally owned weapon on post. That should result in enough of them on post to make a difference (at least as a deterrent).
I'm not convincedevery knucklehead that scraped through basicbut still hasn't figured out which end to keep down range should walk around the PX with a firearm.
Posted by: f2000
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I agree.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:57 PM (9mTYi)
I would trust most E1s with a weapon more than most O6s.
I'm not convincedevery knucklehead that scraped through basicbut still hasn't figured out which end to keep down range should walk around the PX with a firearm.
Posted by: f2000
---------------------------------
I agree.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 25, 2015 01:57 PM (9mTYi)
I would trust most E1s with a weapon more than most O6s.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 25, 2015 02:03 PM (Dj0WE)
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I can't help but think that the restrictions on where taxpayer-owned weapons can and can't be carried has more to do with simply keeping track of them than anything else, which wouldn't be entirely unreasonable. I suspect the more viable solution here would be to allow servicemembers to obtain permits to carry personal (not military issue) handguns, at least under certain circumstances, while on base. (I do realize how quickly this could sink into bureaucratic quagmire, but it seems we're already in one anyway).
Posted by: Blacklake at July 25, 2015 02:04 PM (b9GlI)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 25, 2015 02:04 PM (6iLt9)
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Clearly we need more "gun-free zone" signs.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 25, 2015 02:02 PM (oKE6c)
With "And we really mean it!" added on.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 25, 2015 02:02 PM (oKE6c)
With "And we really mean it!" added on.
Posted by: buzzion at July 25, 2015 02:05 PM (zt+N6)
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Jay I believe line-item veto was found unconstitutional (and reasonably so), a few years back, so that's off the menu (unless I'm mis-remembering all this, which is very possible).
Interesting. On what basis was it found un-Constitutional? A President adding a budgetary item clearly obviates the point of the spending bills originating in the House, but deleting one? I don't get it.
Interesting. On what basis was it found un-Constitutional? A President adding a budgetary item clearly obviates the point of the spending bills originating in the House, but deleting one? I don't get it.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 25, 2015 02:05 PM (oKE6c)
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You guys have to watch the jon stewart clip on trump, the blowjob rollercoaster. Hilarious.
Also, do you know who else stopped our troops from being armed on bases? Juan fucking mccain. Story on breitbart right now. Sen. Heller tried to fix this, mccain stopped him.
Also, do you know who else stopped our troops from being armed on bases? Juan fucking mccain. Story on breitbart right now. Sen. Heller tried to fix this, mccain stopped him.
Posted by: Prescient11 at July 25, 2015 02:05 PM (IXLyX)
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I suspect offices are kept cold for the computers. They don't do well in hot weather.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 25, 2015 02:07 PM (Lqy/e)
Posted by: traye at July 25, 2015 02:07 PM (fM8JG)
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Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 25, 2015 02:05 PM (oKE6c)
Because it subverts the intent of the spending bill. And legislation is the purview of the House and Senate, not the Administrative branch.
Because it subverts the intent of the spending bill. And legislation is the purview of the House and Senate, not the Administrative branch.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 25, 2015 02:08 PM (Zu3d9)
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Is this a metaphor for how the world views the US?
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/selection-du-weekend-150-27.jpg
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/selection-du-weekend-150-27.jpg
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 25, 2015 02:08 PM (OFn2P)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_Item_Veto_Act_of_1996
Posted by: buzzion at July 25, 2015 02:08 PM (zt+N6)
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Why should SJWs bother with guns when they hold the Ultimate Weapon capable of making rational people lose their own sense of logic and self preservation?
The Whites Only Race Card.
They conquered the greatest country in history with it.
The Whites Only Race Card.
They conquered the greatest country in history with it.
Posted by: some random meathead at July 25, 2015 02:08 PM (cNtqS)
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"I'd damned sure trust an 18-20 military"
Me too.But post isn't downtown.Or home. There are lots of rights we just don't exercise freely on post. It's part of signing up. I want more people carrying on post. But I also know that since it's the military, when someone screws up it isn't just a newspaper story for a day. When the occasional accident happens there's going to be no end of stupid refresher classes and briefings that every last soldier on post is going to have to go to, often twice because they lost the first attendance roster. And then the extra safety briefings. So to avoid all that, I'm happy to find a workable middle. And that means the kids aren't going to be armed, but enough people will be to discourage another Jihadi from treating the waiting area like a shooting gallery.
Me too.But post isn't downtown.Or home. There are lots of rights we just don't exercise freely on post. It's part of signing up. I want more people carrying on post. But I also know that since it's the military, when someone screws up it isn't just a newspaper story for a day. When the occasional accident happens there's going to be no end of stupid refresher classes and briefings that every last soldier on post is going to have to go to, often twice because they lost the first attendance roster. And then the extra safety briefings. So to avoid all that, I'm happy to find a workable middle. And that means the kids aren't going to be armed, but enough people will be to discourage another Jihadi from treating the waiting area like a shooting gallery.
Posted by: f2000 at July 25, 2015 02:09 PM (5xwgn)
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More like magic hummus that gave 'em psychedelic delusions.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 25, 2015 02:03 PM (ry4ab)
Delusions of competence, or was the magic hummus not that powerful?
Posted by: exdem13 at July 25, 2015 02:03 PM (ry4ab)
Delusions of competence, or was the magic hummus not that powerful?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 25, 2015 02:10 PM (oKE6c)
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131 Why should SJWs bother with guns when they hold the Ultimate Weapon capable of making rational people lose their own sense of logic and self preservation?
The Whites Only Race Card.
They conquered the greatest country in history with it.
Posted by: some random meathead at July 25, 2015 02:08 PM (cNtqS)
I'm launching a new pressure group, La Raza Blanca.
The Whites Only Race Card.
They conquered the greatest country in history with it.
Posted by: some random meathead at July 25, 2015 02:08 PM (cNtqS)
I'm launching a new pressure group, La Raza Blanca.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 25, 2015 02:13 PM (oKE6c)
135
118
Good points exdem13, I am scratching my head trying to find a historical
parallel of such a bad deal. And all I keep returning to is Darth Vader
telling Lando to not make him alter the deal any further. But this
President isn't even half as good as Lando who is a mostly competent
rouge.
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That doesn't work either, Lando agreed to the "bargain" under extreme duress, with his life and his city's existence on the line. Lurch was a willing participant. He is more like that smug traitor from Battlestar Galactica who "does the right thing" and then is horrified when the Cylons go for the easy kill. Unfortunately Lurch won't get a cheap shortsword shoved up his gut on the day of reckoning.
Good points exdem13, I am scratching my head trying to find a historical
parallel of such a bad deal. And all I keep returning to is Darth Vader
telling Lando to not make him alter the deal any further. But this
President isn't even half as good as Lando who is a mostly competent
rouge.
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That doesn't work either, Lando agreed to the "bargain" under extreme duress, with his life and his city's existence on the line. Lurch was a willing participant. He is more like that smug traitor from Battlestar Galactica who "does the right thing" and then is horrified when the Cylons go for the easy kill. Unfortunately Lurch won't get a cheap shortsword shoved up his gut on the day of reckoning.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 25, 2015 02:14 PM (ry4ab)
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Charles Whitman was a screw up and spent most of his military time in the brig.
https://goo.gl/VeoeY2
https://goo.gl/VeoeY2
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2015 02:14 PM (iQIUe)
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Perhaps I miss-understood the statement above, but as a Soldier, there
is no way in hell I'd want to lug my "service weapon", i.e. personally
assigned weapon, around base at all times. When anything to the degree
of "service weapon" is stated to me, as a green suiter, that typically
means my M-4.
Posted by: CPT Oblivious at July 25, 2015 01:46 PM (aDtdG)
That touches upon an issue I was mulling over - most who are issued weapons are getting issued long arms and would probably not care lug them around all day (I carried an M249 for a year and would rather not stand around in Kohls all day watching the wife run from one display to another humping that thing around with its 600 round baseload).
On the other hand, I wouldn't mind seeing NCOs and Officers sporting their issued sidearms on and off duty. Recruiters should be issued sidearms as well, might even add to their professional appearance and bump up recruitment a bit.
As for the Jr enlisted, off base and off duty they should have most of the rights as any other citizen with a CCP. On base thing, concealed carry of personal weapons is probably never going to happen. Air Force and Navy? I don't the bulk of those guys are even issued weapons.
is no way in hell I'd want to lug my "service weapon", i.e. personally
assigned weapon, around base at all times. When anything to the degree
of "service weapon" is stated to me, as a green suiter, that typically
means my M-4.
Posted by: CPT Oblivious at July 25, 2015 01:46 PM (aDtdG)
That touches upon an issue I was mulling over - most who are issued weapons are getting issued long arms and would probably not care lug them around all day (I carried an M249 for a year and would rather not stand around in Kohls all day watching the wife run from one display to another humping that thing around with its 600 round baseload).
On the other hand, I wouldn't mind seeing NCOs and Officers sporting their issued sidearms on and off duty. Recruiters should be issued sidearms as well, might even add to their professional appearance and bump up recruitment a bit.
As for the Jr enlisted, off base and off duty they should have most of the rights as any other citizen with a CCP. On base thing, concealed carry of personal weapons is probably never going to happen. Air Force and Navy? I don't the bulk of those guys are even issued weapons.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 25, 2015 02:15 PM (NaeCR)
138
***"Nor are they (or could they, practically) be trained to be as competent day-in, day-out carriers. In most cases it would become a distraction from their real jobs."***
You were handling your position competently up until you went off the rails. The fundamental flaw in your argument was that - as someone else already pointed out to you - it can easily be extended to all citizens. You're arguing from a Leftist POV and you don't really seem to realize it.
But that's fine if that's your view. The part I quoted however, is objectively stupid.
You were handling your position competently up until you went off the rails. The fundamental flaw in your argument was that - as someone else already pointed out to you - it can easily be extended to all citizens. You're arguing from a Leftist POV and you don't really seem to realize it.
But that's fine if that's your view. The part I quoted however, is objectively stupid.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 25, 2015 02:17 PM (xSCb6)
139
33
More like magic hummus that gave 'em psychedelic delusions.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 25, 2015 02:03 PM (ry4ab)
Delusions of competence, or was the magic hummus not that powerful?
More like delusions of peace love and happiness, like a love-in circa 1971. Yoko Ono caterwauling optional.
More like magic hummus that gave 'em psychedelic delusions.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 25, 2015 02:03 PM (ry4ab)
Delusions of competence, or was the magic hummus not that powerful?
More like delusions of peace love and happiness, like a love-in circa 1971. Yoko Ono caterwauling optional.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 25, 2015 02:18 PM (ry4ab)
140
Oh the Neu Galactica. The original Baltar was in it for himself and became quite the ruthless Kapo to save his own worthless hide.
Actually I think Jean Francois Cary will give a Gallic shrug when things go ka-boom and keep living on his tax dodging yacht.
Actually I think Jean Francois Cary will give a Gallic shrug when things go ka-boom and keep living on his tax dodging yacht.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 25, 2015 02:19 PM (OFn2P)
141
***"I expect someone to suggest at any moment that I don't know anything about firearms either."***
I don't care about your knowledge of firearms. I don't care about your training. I don't care about your experience. I don't trust you to carry in public.
Now, tell me why I'm wrong.
I don't care about your knowledge of firearms. I don't care about your training. I don't care about your experience. I don't trust you to carry in public.
Now, tell me why I'm wrong.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 25, 2015 02:22 PM (xSCb6)
142
141 ***"I expect someone to suggest at any moment that I don't know anything about firearms either."***
I don't care about your knowledge of firearms. I don't care about your training. I don't care about your experience. I don't trust you to carry in public.
Now, tell me why I'm wrong.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 25, 2015 02:22 PM (xSCb6)
He left to go have lunch.
I don't care about your knowledge of firearms. I don't care about your training. I don't care about your experience. I don't trust you to carry in public.
Now, tell me why I'm wrong.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 25, 2015 02:22 PM (xSCb6)
He left to go have lunch.
Posted by: eman at July 25, 2015 02:24 PM (MQEz6)
143
Actually I think Jean Francois Cary will give a Gallic shrug when things go ka-boom and keep living on his tax dodging yacht.
Boats sink. Just sayin'.
Boats sink. Just sayin'.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 25, 2015 02:27 PM (qTDYq)
144
You can forget about being armed on base, at least through the balance of Obama's term.
In the Recovery Time?
Maybe.
For now, the use of armed NG in some states seems most practical, maybe that could be expanded to all applicable areas in EVERY state?
In the Recovery Time?
Maybe.
For now, the use of armed NG in some states seems most practical, maybe that could be expanded to all applicable areas in EVERY state?
Posted by: irongrampa at July 25, 2015 02:28 PM (jeCnD)
145
More like delusions of peace love and happiness, like a love-in circa 1971. Yoko Ono caterwauling optional.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 25, 2015 02:18 PM (ry4ab)
I thought that was Yoko Ono's war cry. That, or a psy war op to demoralize anyone with functioning ears.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 25, 2015 02:18 PM (ry4ab)
I thought that was Yoko Ono's war cry. That, or a psy war op to demoralize anyone with functioning ears.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 25, 2015 02:29 PM (oKE6c)
146
"A President adding a budgetary item clearly obviates the point of the spending bills originating in the House, but deleting one? "
Wasn't that a Nixon era thing? Something about having to spend the money as directed by Congress, not just picking which authorized items to enact?
Wasn't that a Nixon era thing? Something about having to spend the money as directed by Congress, not just picking which authorized items to enact?
Posted by: f2000 at July 25, 2015 02:29 PM (5xwgn)
147
We wouldn't even be talking Line Item Veto if Congress would stop making every spending bill or CR a Christmas tree of little presents paid for by borrowed tax money.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 25, 2015 02:32 PM (OFn2P)
148
I'm surprised no brought this up (unless I missed it), but there has been illicit carrying of personal weapons in the reserves for years. Not only have I seen it myself, it happened in Chattanooga.
http://tinyurl.com/owg9mm4
http://tinyurl.com/owg9mm4
Posted by: Country Singer at July 25, 2015 02:32 PM (nL0sw)
149
Enjoy the death of America https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bL2BCiFkTk
Posted by: Williger at July 25, 2015 02:33 PM (GXRyn)
150
"there has been illicit carrying of personal weapons in the reserves for years."
Not too shocked. A lot of reserve centers are in less than desirable parts of town.
Not too shocked. A lot of reserve centers are in less than desirable parts of town.
Posted by: f2000 at July 25, 2015 02:34 PM (5xwgn)
151
136 Charles Whitman was a screw up and spent most of his military time in the brig.
https://goo.gl/VeoeY2
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2015 02:14 PM (iQIUe)
That could be a function of the nascent brain tumor, since that occurred ca. two years before he shot up UT.
https://goo.gl/VeoeY2
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2015 02:14 PM (iQIUe)
That could be a function of the nascent brain tumor, since that occurred ca. two years before he shot up UT.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 25, 2015 02:35 PM (oKE6c)
152
One other thing: Tennessee's Gov Haslam has been dragging his feet on allowing NG personnel to carry. However, I spoke to one of my buddies up there that is an NG recruiter; he told me the state now has what amounts to a Mobile Training Team going around to get as many of the active duty NG folks as possible signed up and qualified for a TN CCW. Existing TN law actually makes this easier, because they will waive the live fire requirement (and maybe the classroom portion as well, I forget) with documentation from the soldier/airman's chain of command of handgun proficiency, e.g. range qualification scores and a letter from the commanding officer.
Posted by: Country Singer at July 25, 2015 02:39 PM (nL0sw)
153
I've always wondered if liberals worry about their kitchen knives going all stabby.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 25, 2015 02:39 PM (rwI+c)
154
***I'm surprised no brought this up (unless I missed it), but there has been illicit carrying of personal weapons in the reserves for years.***
Oh it's not just the reserves.
Oh it's not just the reserves.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 25, 2015 02:41 PM (xSCb6)
155
Apropos of nothing, free shipping for members from SG with coupon code SH1444.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 25, 2015 02:42 PM (rwI+c)
156
I've always wondered if liberals worry about their kitchen knives going all stabby.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 25, 2015 02:39 PM (rwI+c)
Short answer: yes. England got rid of guns. Now look at where they are:
http://tinyurl.com/o7ybkao
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 25, 2015 02:39 PM (rwI+c)
Short answer: yes. England got rid of guns. Now look at where they are:
http://tinyurl.com/o7ybkao
Posted by: Country Singer at July 25, 2015 02:42 PM (nL0sw)
157
"there has been illicit carrying of personal weapons in the reserves for years."
Heh, had an uncle carry a ruger blackhawk .41 mag in a lefty holster on his right hip during a surveillance/lrrp exercise, he was roleplaying Juan Valdez, international drug dealer man of mystery. Apparently nobody figured out the guy in civies directing the opfor was the kingpin (or even took notes on his presence).
Heh, had an uncle carry a ruger blackhawk .41 mag in a lefty holster on his right hip during a surveillance/lrrp exercise, he was roleplaying Juan Valdez, international drug dealer man of mystery. Apparently nobody figured out the guy in civies directing the opfor was the kingpin (or even took notes on his presence).
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 25, 2015 02:43 PM (NaeCR)
158
Is anyone else having issues with Roadrunner cable?
Shit has been down in my AO for hours now, so have to rely on Verizon.
Shit has been down in my AO for hours now, so have to rely on Verizon.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 25, 2015 02:43 PM (6iLt9)
159
And I should have said "the UK" instead of "England."
Posted by: Country Singer at July 25, 2015 02:44 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 25, 2015 02:45 PM (6iLt9)
161
153 I've always wondered if liberals worry about their kitchen knives going all stabby.
I laughed!
I laughed!
Posted by: nip at July 25, 2015 02:45 PM (a6Odp)
162
Pretty neat how civilians got their guns and ran to the tower. Wd then have done this in any other state but Texas?
Wiki has a nice death shot of Whitman.
Wiki has a nice death shot of Whitman.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 25, 2015 02:52 PM (iQIUe)
163
I was in the Marine Corps in the late sixties. In the States, on Base, we weren't allowed to have weapons. They were alll kept in the armory. I did, at the time, own two personal weapons and they were kept in the armory as well and checked out to me when I wanted to use them and back in when I was through.
Posted by: Dennis at July 25, 2015 02:53 PM (djDkb)
164
"I did, at the time, own two personal weapons and they were kept in the armory as well and checked out to me when I wanted to use them and back in when I was through."
Not a vet, why did you check your personal weapons? Inspections? Not to sound stupid.
Not a vet, why did you check your personal weapons? Inspections? Not to sound stupid.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 25, 2015 02:58 PM (/QgGG)
165
I once read an account by an ex-army Colonel who said the reason soldiers were not armed on US bases was because base commanders were usually Colonels looking to be promoted to General and even one accidental discharge or shooting would kill that promotion chance.
As PC as the army seems to be getting, I would not be surprised.
As PC as the army seems to be getting, I would not be surprised.
Posted by: JB1000 at July 25, 2015 02:59 PM (WLJbV)
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 25, 2015 03:01 PM (i86TN)
167
The Secret Service, however, can carry pepper spray and stun guns.
The Secret Service, however, can carry pepper spray and stun guns.
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 25, 2015 03:02 PM (i86TN)
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 25, 2015 03:10 PM (i86TN)
169
6 Why not our military?
Oh yeah, I remember now.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 25, 2015 12:46 PM (Dj0WE)
I LOVED that the media went to "posse comitatus" as to why military members are not armed on US soil.
Yet only nutjobs mentioned posse comitatus when it was revealed that the NSA (a part of the DoD) was spying on citizens.
It's just so... I don't know, funny.
Oh yeah, I remember now.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 25, 2015 12:46 PM (Dj0WE)
I LOVED that the media went to "posse comitatus" as to why military members are not armed on US soil.
Yet only nutjobs mentioned posse comitatus when it was revealed that the NSA (a part of the DoD) was spying on citizens.
It's just so... I don't know, funny.
Posted by: The Dept of Ed has its own swat team at July 25, 2015 03:10 PM (53CCM)
170
Yes, Scotland will ban knives so that everyone is safe. The article didn't really explain whether these were kitchen knives, lock blade knives, hunting knives or all of the above.
And then once they've banned all the knives and some one is killed with a lead pipe, they'll have a drive to ban all lead pipes. And when some one is killed with fists and boots, they will lead a drive to ban all fists and boots.
In the end, all you will have left is a bunch of naked, handless Scots running around living in caves or the rubble of their cities and looking for someone, the government probably, to feed them.
And then once they've banned all the knives and some one is killed with a lead pipe, they'll have a drive to ban all lead pipes. And when some one is killed with fists and boots, they will lead a drive to ban all fists and boots.
In the end, all you will have left is a bunch of naked, handless Scots running around living in caves or the rubble of their cities and looking for someone, the government probably, to feed them.
Posted by: Old Blue at July 25, 2015 03:11 PM (9iR5/)
171
Let me understand the logic.
1. Jim is an American citizen who has a concealed weapons permit. He carries in his home state every day.
2. Jim is also active/reserve military member who cannot legally carry his personal weapon while in uniform.
If you think this makes logical sense, you can fist fuck yourself.
1. Jim is an American citizen who has a concealed weapons permit. He carries in his home state every day.
2. Jim is also active/reserve military member who cannot legally carry his personal weapon while in uniform.
If you think this makes logical sense, you can fist fuck yourself.
Posted by: @peeteysdee at July 25, 2015 03:24 PM (qtZE6)
172
#165 Well, if you accidentally shot the colonel...
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 25, 2015 03:25 PM (Kucy5)
173
I won't say I know anyone who illicitly carried in the Guard (or anyone who might, er, know anyone themselves), but when you're doing field training in an area that is known to be overrun with feral dog packs, for instance, shit might happen...
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 25, 2015 03:29 PM (Kucy5)
174
This may have already been mentioned, but a new Pew poll shows the lowest approval rating for the GOP since 1992. Approval among Republicans is down 18% since January.
USA Today, retarded as usual, blames the drop on "the raucous presidential primary."
USA Today: http://tinyurl.com/phkgjwx
USA Today, retarded as usual, blames the drop on "the raucous presidential primary."
USA Today: http://tinyurl.com/phkgjwx
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 25, 2015 03:30 PM (YFw5T)
175
MSNBC has an online poll up that asks the question: "Do you think people should be allowed to carry guns in public?"
Responses are now at 91% "yes."
Ruh-roh.
MSNBC: http://tinyurl.com/qao7ffh
Responses are now at 91% "yes."
Ruh-roh.
MSNBC: http://tinyurl.com/qao7ffh
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 25, 2015 04:04 PM (YFw5T)
176
I agree with my esteemed colleagues across the aisle and hate the whack a doodles of my own party. No need for our service people to be armed.
Posted by: John McCain, Card Carring Maverick at July 25, 2015 04:17 PM (f+6Pd)
177
Test drove for a german auto co in l a.92. Couple of us carried during riots. Even before so called safety driver diverted assigned route to slum thru riot zone. Glad to have moses browning ridong along (before that tragic boat loss).
Posted by: oh,k,tnx,bye at July 25, 2015 04:50 PM (HK+Fk)
178
> cold for women is 73 degrees.
and the fatter they are, the higher that "tolerance" goes.
75 for the porkers.
80 for the sweathhogs.
85 for the 400+ prizewinner sows.
and the fatter they are, the higher that "tolerance" goes.
75 for the porkers.
80 for the sweathhogs.
85 for the 400+ prizewinner sows.
Posted by: beef brisket texas-style at July 25, 2015 06:21 PM (FRnz5)
179
@11 SGT Dan's Cat
"Though as a longtime infantryman, I concede we have some folk in the Army shouldn't be trusted with live ammunition. Or blanks. Or sharp objects."
We used to guys sent to the shrink and deemed unfit for road duty as MPs and taken off the line while under observation. They would be sent to HQ platoon. What did they do with them? Make them the assitant armorer. They guy who cannot be trusted to carry a sidearm is the guy locked in the arms room with all the weapons and ammo and is handing me my .45 and rounds.
The US army was always one part military organization and one part half way house. Nuts.
"Though as a longtime infantryman, I concede we have some folk in the Army shouldn't be trusted with live ammunition. Or blanks. Or sharp objects."
We used to guys sent to the shrink and deemed unfit for road duty as MPs and taken off the line while under observation. They would be sent to HQ platoon. What did they do with them? Make them the assitant armorer. They guy who cannot be trusted to carry a sidearm is the guy locked in the arms room with all the weapons and ammo and is handing me my .45 and rounds.
The US army was always one part military organization and one part half way house. Nuts.
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at July 25, 2015 07:12 PM (rkGyQ)
180
@85 Hopped
"..and reloaded in flight because they were all too nervous unarmed."
I am sure the air crew felt great about that. Depressuration 8 miles up can be a real drag.
"..and reloaded in flight because they were all too nervous unarmed."
I am sure the air crew felt great about that. Depressuration 8 miles up can be a real drag.
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at July 25, 2015 07:40 PM (rkGyQ)
181
I take it that the writer has not served in the army? There are certain asshats in every military unit you dont want toting guns in a complex enviroment.
Posted by: Fnord at July 25, 2015 08:31 PM (fghhu)
182
To be serious: I think the solution is to have a sealed gunrack, with penalties for breaking the seal unless it is mandated by the situation. Guns within reach, but not carried. ANy sit. where they are needed will be situational response anyways, those 5 seconds of breaking them out wont make much difference.
Posted by: Fnord at July 25, 2015 08:44 PM (fghhu)
183
Ricardo Kill at 164
I did not have housing off base. We were not allowed to have private weapons on base unless they were checked into the armory. At the time, then, it was the only option to have personal weapons. On the plus side, I had a first sergeant that tought me more about shooting bullseye competition than I thought it was possible to learn. It was really a pretty enlightened and reasonable policy.
Not sure why all the fuss about it now. Of course we didn't have North Vietnamese on and off base in the states trying to kill us
I did not have housing off base. We were not allowed to have private weapons on base unless they were checked into the armory. At the time, then, it was the only option to have personal weapons. On the plus side, I had a first sergeant that tought me more about shooting bullseye competition than I thought it was possible to learn. It was really a pretty enlightened and reasonable policy.
Not sure why all the fuss about it now. Of course we didn't have North Vietnamese on and off base in the states trying to kill us
Posted by: Dennis at July 26, 2015 12:31 AM (PmASp)
184
Get rid of the PT belt mentality.
Posted by: Mike at July 26, 2015 09:10 AM (kXja5)
185
Why don't we just quit importing Muslims?
Posted by: DFCtomm at July 27, 2015 03:16 AM (TQZcB)
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