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Failure Theater, Act III, Scene ii: The Fleecening
Bob Corker to John Kerry: You got fleeced.
Oh, Kerry got fleeced? Because I thought a bunch of dumbass, sell-out, go-along-to-get-along Republican Senators got fleeced by Obama and Kerry into approving this treaty before it was even finished. So now we're in the "I just can't believe the outrageous things I already voted for" phase of the Failure Theater performance.Comments
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I felt it.
Posted by: Coop at July 23, 2015 12:22 PM (BjKDP)
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2nd too?
Posted by: Badda Bing at July 23, 2015 12:22 PM (BjKDP)
Posted by: Badda Bing at July 23, 2015 12:22 PM (BjKDP)
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Third!
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at July 23, 2015 12:23 PM (E5UB0)
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quad?
Posted by: Badda Bing at July 23, 2015 12:23 PM (BjKDP)
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Denied!
Posted by: Badda Bing at July 23, 2015 12:23 PM (BjKDP)
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You want to know who has been fleeced??? The American people have been fleeced, that's who.
Posted by: TX ette at July 23, 2015 12:23 PM (sUJHF)
Posted by: Weasel at July 23, 2015 12:23 PM (6xtq3)
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You just don't understand nth deminsional chess!
Posted by: Gerard Oliver Purcivell, esq at July 23, 2015 12:23 PM (T0prA)
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I'll go get them
Posted by: Badda Bing at July 23, 2015 12:24 PM (BjKDP)
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derf
Posted by: freaked at July 23, 2015 12:24 PM (KvWlw)
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Yeah, you called it.
Now we have to live it.
Now we have to live it.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 23, 2015 12:25 PM (qCMvj)
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Don't support Trump, he's bad. He will lie.
Posted by: traye at July 23, 2015 12:25 PM (P+Y6z)
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Somebody has got to pick the lettuce
Posted by: Colin at July 23, 2015 12:25 PM (lyhiY)
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That stand...it's so...grand!
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 23, 2015 12:26 PM (shLnc)
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Corker is a traitor.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 12:26 PM (/Ho8c)
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But the next election? That one is going to be different, right?
Posted by: Weasel at July 23, 2015 12:26 PM (6xtq3)
Posted by: Soothie at July 23, 2015 12:26 PM (fvMOw)
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You got Corkered.
Posted by: Lame Duck Obama at July 23, 2015 12:26 PM (VcOqI)
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I wish I'd voted for my pet cat instead of him.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 12:26 PM (/Ho8c)
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So glad the GOP gave Obambi unlimited power...because I mean what could happen?
Posted by: Badda Bing at July 23, 2015 12:27 PM (BjKDP)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 23, 2015 12:27 PM (qCMvj)
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Bringing a knife to a nuke fight ?
A butter knife , or those special scissors they let Joe Biden use .
A butter knife , or those special scissors they let Joe Biden use .
Posted by: Drpullit at July 23, 2015 12:27 PM (a1gIr)
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What did I get?
Posted by: Anderson Cooper at July 23, 2015 12:27 PM (VcOqI)
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I tell ya, had I been there when they were voting for this...
Posted by: Ted Cruz at July 23, 2015 12:27 PM (shLnc)
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Is there any hope at all that the Corker bill will be deemed unconstitutional?
Congress doesn't have the authority to duck its responsibility. The treaty should have to come to a vote and require 2/3 approval for passage per the constitution.
Congress doesn't have the authority to duck its responsibility. The treaty should have to come to a vote and require 2/3 approval for passage per the constitution.
Posted by: kraki at July 23, 2015 12:27 PM (TNa9O)
Posted by: Weasel at July 23, 2015 12:27 PM (6xtq3)
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Somebody has got to pick the lettuce
We've no shortage of native-born unskilled able bodies. We're just not allowed to expect them to go to where the work is.
We've no shortage of native-born unskilled able bodies. We're just not allowed to expect them to go to where the work is.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 23, 2015 12:27 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Emily Litilla at July 23, 2015 12:27 PM (KvWlw)
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I wish I'd voted for my pet cat instead of him.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 12:26 PM (/Ho8c)
i wish I knew he/she was running!
I wish I'd voted for my pet cat instead of him.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 12:26 PM (/Ho8c)
i wish I knew he/she was running!
Posted by: Badda Bing at July 23, 2015 12:28 PM (BjKDP)
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The guy what I think co-sponsored it (Cain?) was on Morning Joe talking about how absolutely brilliant the Corker bill was because Congress can "weigh in" on the agreement.
See, if it "rose to the level of a treaty" (which it doesn't) then only the Senate would have a say, but thanks to Corker the Congress (what made the congressional sanctions that can be unmade by the president) can "weigh in" on it.
I swear he said "weigh in" about eight times. And that's totes an enumerated power.
The guy what I think co-sponsored it (Cain?) was on Morning Joe talking about how absolutely brilliant the Corker bill was because Congress can "weigh in" on the agreement.
See, if it "rose to the level of a treaty" (which it doesn't) then only the Senate would have a say, but thanks to Corker the Congress (what made the congressional sanctions that can be unmade by the president) can "weigh in" on it.
I swear he said "weigh in" about eight times. And that's totes an enumerated power.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 23, 2015 12:28 PM (JtwS4)
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Has anyone heard of any reporters or anchors on any news station mention that the republicans already approved Obama's idiotic capitulation deal with Iran?
Posted by: USS Ben at July 23, 2015 12:28 PM (+Vmdd)
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First came the Deceivening.
Now is the Fleecening.
What's next?
Posted by: Soothie at July 23, 2015 12:26 PM (fvMOw)
The Mushroom-cloudening.
First came the Deceivening.
Now is the Fleecening.
What's next?
Posted by: Soothie at July 23, 2015 12:26 PM (fvMOw)
The Mushroom-cloudening.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 23, 2015 12:28 PM (shLnc)
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We got fleeced.
Posted by: Voters, who thought R's were conservative. at July 23, 2015 12:28 PM (9mTYi)
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They are all a bunch of crooked stupid fucks. If it were a Broadway Show it would close before it ever got to NYC
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:29 PM (gf8BH)
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And Corker made sure there was nothing Congress can do about this awful treaty.
Posted by: halfastro at July 23, 2015 12:29 PM (oPGWT)
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Corkscrew
Posted by: Anderson Cooper at July 23, 2015 12:29 PM (VcOqI)
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Ace, isn't Corker the SOB who authored the bill that gave Obama the store? I could not believe this shit.
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 23, 2015 12:29 PM (GpgJl)
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I wish I'd voted for my pet cat instead of him.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 12:26 PM (/Ho8c)
Name?
There's always write-ins.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 12:26 PM (/Ho8c)
Name?
There's always write-ins.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 23, 2015 12:30 PM (qCMvj)
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And yet some here will continue to bash Trump because he's not a politician, speaks like an average Joe, and call him a billion dollar buffoon.
They will be outraged today and then line up to push their favorite GOPe toady tomorrow to get some of that Kabuki theater ass pounding they so enjoy.
They will be outraged today and then line up to push their favorite GOPe toady tomorrow to get some of that Kabuki theater ass pounding they so enjoy.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 23, 2015 12:30 PM (Ixbid)
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32 Has anyone heard of any reporters or anchors on any news station mention that the republicans already approved Obama's idiotic capitulation deal with Iran?
That would be like a movie theatre giving away the endings when they sell your ticket.
That would be like a movie theatre giving away the endings when they sell your ticket.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 23, 2015 12:30 PM (shLnc)
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This is classic.
Corker: "I'm shocked! Shocked!"
Yeah, it's all theater. I still cannot believe their stupidity into thinking that *allowing* more damage by Dems will increase their popularity, rather than *fixing* things. You've already had the electorate's support. Because you've betrayed them, the only thing rational is to go elsewhere.
Corker: "I'm shocked! Shocked!"
Yeah, it's all theater. I still cannot believe their stupidity into thinking that *allowing* more damage by Dems will increase their popularity, rather than *fixing* things. You've already had the electorate's support. Because you've betrayed them, the only thing rational is to go elsewhere.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at July 23, 2015 12:30 PM (E5UB0)
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Nothing to see here. Has Caitlyn done anything super brave and heroic today?
Posted by: Weasel at July 23, 2015 12:30 PM (6xtq3)
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Somebody has got to pick the lettuce
We've no shortage of native-born unskilled able bodies. We're just not allowed to expect them to go to where the work is.
And with all the free stuff, why work....you won't see no intercity black in the fields for sure.
We've no shortage of native-born unskilled able bodies. We're just not allowed to expect them to go to where the work is.
And with all the free stuff, why work....you won't see no intercity black in the fields for sure.
Posted by: Colin at July 23, 2015 12:31 PM (lyhiY)
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Is there any hope at all that the Corker bill will be deemed unconstitutional?
Congress doesn't have the authority to duck its responsibility. The treaty should have to come to a vote and require 2/3 approval for passage per the constitution.
Posted by: kraki
Treaty?
Do you remember that whole 'it's a tax/not a tax' thing? Yeah.
Congress doesn't have the authority to duck its responsibility. The treaty should have to come to a vote and require 2/3 approval for passage per the constitution.
Posted by: kraki
Treaty?
Do you remember that whole 'it's a tax/not a tax' thing? Yeah.
Posted by: Admin lawyers at July 23, 2015 12:31 PM (VY8H5)
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Kerry, I hope, looked at Corker and vomited all over the Failure Theatre floor.
Corker should shut his whiny little mouth and swallow back the hypocrisy.
Corker should shut his whiny little mouth and swallow back the hypocrisy.
Posted by: MTF at July 23, 2015 12:31 PM (TxJGV)
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If your cats were big enough, they'd eat you. And then lick their paws.....
Posted by: Here kitty, kitty at July 23, 2015 12:31 PM (VcOqI)
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Senate confirms Kerry for State on 94-3 vote
"I don't know too many people who have oriented their whole life to be better suited for secretary of State," Sen. Bob Corker (Tenn.), the top Republican on Kerry's Foreign Relations Committee, said on the Senate floor ahead of the vote.
Senate confirms Kerry for State on 94-3 vote
"I don't know too many people who have oriented their whole life to be better suited for secretary of State," Sen. Bob Corker (Tenn.), the top Republican on Kerry's Foreign Relations Committee, said on the Senate floor ahead of the vote.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 23, 2015 12:31 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: zombie Shakespeare at July 23, 2015 12:32 PM (ZtFr+)
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Don't miss our Back to School and Labor Day Sales Events!
Posted by: Lampposts 'R' Us at July 23, 2015 12:32 PM (xsEwF)
Posted by: Voters, who thought R's were conservative. at July 23, 2015 12:32 PM (9mTYi)
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You're missing the main thing, Ace. If they can cause us to suspend disbelief long enough, they get to keep their phony baloney jobs.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 23, 2015 12:32 PM (lKSyl)
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I thought the fleecing was the point, right? To put America and Israel in their proper places, ya?
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at July 23, 2015 12:32 PM (R0UpV)
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They think we are idiots. And we've proven that to them over and over and over again.
Posted by: Here kitty, kitty at July 23, 2015 12:32 PM (VcOqI)
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Critical to the success of Failure Theatre was that it be Bob Corker who accused Kerry of being fleeced. And lo, thus is was so. Verily.
Posted by: sans_sheriff at July 23, 2015 12:33 PM (5reLy)
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Senate confirms Kerry for State on 94-3 vote
"I don't know too many people who have oriented their whole life to be better suited for secretary of State," Sen. Bob Corker (Tenn.), the top Republican on Kerry's Foreign Relations Committee, said on the Senate floor ahead of the vote.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 23, 2015 12:31 PM (kdS6q)
More incestuous than a Lannister picnic.
Senate confirms Kerry for State on 94-3 vote
"I don't know too many people who have oriented their whole life to be better suited for secretary of State," Sen. Bob Corker (Tenn.), the top Republican on Kerry's Foreign Relations Committee, said on the Senate floor ahead of the vote.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 23, 2015 12:31 PM (kdS6q)
More incestuous than a Lannister picnic.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 23, 2015 12:33 PM (shLnc)
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Is there any hope at all that the Corker bill will be deemed unconstitutional?
Congress doesn't have the authority to duck its responsibility. The treaty should have to come to a vote and require 2/3 approval for passage per the constitution.
Posted by: kraki
Treaty?
Do you remember that whole 'it's a tax/not a tax' thing? Yeah.
Posted by: Admin lawyers at July 23, 2015 12:31 PM (VY8H5)
conniving, devious, slimy, evil
Thousands of lawyers doing end-runs and running circles around the GOP.
Congress doesn't have the authority to duck its responsibility. The treaty should have to come to a vote and require 2/3 approval for passage per the constitution.
Posted by: kraki
Treaty?
Do you remember that whole 'it's a tax/not a tax' thing? Yeah.
Posted by: Admin lawyers at July 23, 2015 12:31 PM (VY8H5)
conniving, devious, slimy, evil
Thousands of lawyers doing end-runs and running circles around the GOP.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 23, 2015 12:33 PM (qCMvj)
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Bob Corker: The Senate's Emma Sulkowicz.
Now that he's decided that he didn't like being sodomized by everyone from Obama to Ernest Moniz after all, what's he going to carry around?
Now that he's decided that he didn't like being sodomized by everyone from Obama to Ernest Moniz after all, what's he going to carry around?
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor (sometimes JEM) at July 23, 2015 12:33 PM (o+SC1)
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But if the Republicans didn't do something then they wouldn't get to see what was in the deal! Even though there are still apparently secret details that they still aren't allowed to see they needed to do something!!!!!
Posted by: buzzion at July 23, 2015 12:33 PM (zt+N6)
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Who put this corkscrew up my ass?
Posted by: Anderson Cooper at July 23, 2015 12:33 PM (VcOqI)
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If your cats were big enough, they'd eat you. And then lick their paws.....
Posted by: Here kitty
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Mine takes a shot at it now and then.
Posted by: Here kitty
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Mine takes a shot at it now and then.
Posted by: Voters, who thought R's were conservative. at July 23, 2015 12:33 PM (9mTYi)
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Fleeced.
Posted by: Sheep at July 23, 2015 12:33 PM (VAsIq)
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This is why I'm thinking about getting on board with Trump.
I want my liars to be more entertaining. I want my liars to stop taking themselves so damn seriously. I want my liars not to believe their own bullshit. This is Trump.
I've got my bread; so now I want the fvcking circuses to go along with it.
I want my liars to be more entertaining. I want my liars to stop taking themselves so damn seriously. I want my liars not to believe their own bullshit. This is Trump.
I've got my bread; so now I want the fvcking circuses to go along with it.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 23, 2015 12:33 PM (xSCb6)
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Corker would make a great boyfriend for Lindsey. Those two voices, oy.....
Posted by: MTF at July 23, 2015 12:34 PM (TxJGV)
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Kinda like how Corker got fleeced when that hooker he paid for sight unseen ended up being a guy in a dress?
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 23, 2015 12:34 PM (Mtb58)
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"Because I thought a bunch of dumbass, sell-out, go-along-to-get-along
Republican Senators got fleeced by Obama and Kerry into approving this
treaty before it was even finished."
This, *after* the Republicans told their base that if the base faithfully donated, volunteered and voted, then control of the Senate was in reach after 2014. Work hard, people! Pay up!
And *after* the Republicans swore to the base that once they had control of the Senate again, they were, like, totally going to start to act like an opposition party again, and block Obama at every turn. Uh huh. For sure. You can take that to the bank.
Republican Senators got fleeced by Obama and Kerry into approving this
treaty before it was even finished."
This, *after* the Republicans told their base that if the base faithfully donated, volunteered and voted, then control of the Senate was in reach after 2014. Work hard, people! Pay up!
And *after* the Republicans swore to the base that once they had control of the Senate again, they were, like, totally going to start to act like an opposition party again, and block Obama at every turn. Uh huh. For sure. You can take that to the bank.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 23, 2015 12:34 PM (noWW6)
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47 If your cats were big enough, they'd eat you. And then lick their paws.....
Posted by: Here kitty, kitty at July 23, 2015 12:31 PM (VcOqI)
He's on his way.
Posted by: Here kitty, kitty at July 23, 2015 12:31 PM (VcOqI)
He's on his way.
Posted by: Wait 'Til Martin Comes at July 23, 2015 12:34 PM (vgIRn)
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Is this the golden fleecening I heard so much about?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 23, 2015 12:34 PM (lKSyl)
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I wish I'd voted for my pet cat instead of him.
Posted by: Moderate Salami
Name?
There's always write-ins.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
The next President of The United States is,
My Pet Cat!
Posted by: Moderate Salami
Name?
There's always write-ins.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
The next President of The United States is,
My Pet Cat!
Posted by: rickb223 at July 23, 2015 12:34 PM (X88sA)
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You'll have to see the mushroom cloud to know what's in the agreement.
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at July 23, 2015 12:34 PM (VcOqI)
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Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 23, 2015 12:34 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger at July 23, 2015 12:34 PM (2pP51)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 23, 2015 12:34 PM (kff5f)
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I saw the turdle on Fox And Friends(I think) the other morning and he said he would be surprised if the Dims could round up even 20 votes for this deal....
Posted by: TX ette at July 23, 2015 12:34 PM (sUJHF)
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... I got nothing...
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 23, 2015 12:34 PM (z9220)
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So now we're in the "I just can't believe the outrageous things I already voted for" phase of the Failure Theater performance.
I'm shocked to find there's gambling going on in this establishment?
I'm shocked to find there's gambling going on in this establishment?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 23, 2015 12:35 PM (kff5f)
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Is there any hope at all that the Corker bill will be deemed unconstitutional?
Congress doesn't have the authority to duck its responsibility.
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No, no hope. Who has standing to tell Congress to do their job?
Congress doesn't have the authority to duck its responsibility.
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No, no hope. Who has standing to tell Congress to do their job?
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 23, 2015 12:35 PM (VAsIq)
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I've got my bread; so now I want the fvcking circuses to go along with it.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 23, 2015 12:33 PM (xSCb6)
hehe
you see what "they're" doing to you?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 23, 2015 12:33 PM (xSCb6)
hehe
you see what "they're" doing to you?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 23, 2015 12:35 PM (qCMvj)
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Remember, we must vote for Republican so they can stop Obama! Make him actually veto good bills or force democrats to actually take a stand on those bills! Why look at all those great conservative bills that John Boehner is passing in the house and McConnel is pushing through!
Posted by: buzzion at July 23, 2015 12:35 PM (zt+N6)
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See, if it "rose to the level of a treaty" (which it doesn't) then only the Senate would have a say, but thanks to Corker the Congress (what made the congressional sanctions that can be unmade by the president) can "weigh in" on it.
I swear he said "weigh in" about eight times. And that's totes an enumerated power.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 23, 2015 12:28 PM (JtwS4)
A treaty is an agreement between two countries.
Of course this is a fucking treaty, and it pisses me off beyond belief that we live in an Orwellian alternative timeline where words don't mean what they mean, and that goes unremarked upon by everyone involved.
"well, you see, treaty --- well is only a treaty if we call it a treaty and use the special treaty pen. See, this? This is an agreement. Presidents can make agreements without congress, no problem. It's in there in the general welfare clause of the constitution. Plus, it's a tax. So, you know... sorry we tried. Hey R voters, how about donating some more money?"
I swear he said "weigh in" about eight times. And that's totes an enumerated power.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 23, 2015 12:28 PM (JtwS4)
A treaty is an agreement between two countries.
Of course this is a fucking treaty, and it pisses me off beyond belief that we live in an Orwellian alternative timeline where words don't mean what they mean, and that goes unremarked upon by everyone involved.
"well, you see, treaty --- well is only a treaty if we call it a treaty and use the special treaty pen. See, this? This is an agreement. Presidents can make agreements without congress, no problem. It's in there in the general welfare clause of the constitution. Plus, it's a tax. So, you know... sorry we tried. Hey R voters, how about donating some more money?"
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 12:35 PM (AkOaV)
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#67 No---I've got a an electric fence. Will deter even the biggest cats. And the smallest mailpersons.
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at July 23, 2015 12:35 PM (VcOqI)
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Our rope won't break even supporting a 300lb load and is easily knotted.
Posted by: Hemp Rope Outlet at July 23, 2015 12:35 PM (xsEwF)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 23, 2015 12:36 PM (VAsIq)
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So, we're all going to vote for Jeb Bush then??? Since clearly he will end this failure theatre and actually get rid of obamacare and do something about illegal immigration.
He promised us.
I heard the Rick Perry "speech" to 100 privileged little fuckers in DC. Rick Perry is a lying cunt of the worst order and Trump would have ample grounds to file a defamation action against him.
And "Perry" is a serious candidate? Are you fucking kidding me?
Unlike Perry's elite DC crowd. Trump speaks to tens of thousands of hard working Americans who are scared to death of where this country is going.
He speaks to me. The GOP will reap the whirlwind if they're not careful and we absolutely will walk from this corrupt piece of shit party in a heartbeat.
So, as we have read Ace bemoan and point out how much these losers in the GOP suck, are we going to now delve into deep criticisms of Trump, like he donated to a politician, HRC, that could literally fuck up his business and that he didn't trash her every 5 seconds. Or that a few of his hundreds of businesses didn't work out and that he had to file bk on them.
Such criticisms are clearly well thought out and have as much gravity as one would find at the Daily fucking Kos.
He promised us.
I heard the Rick Perry "speech" to 100 privileged little fuckers in DC. Rick Perry is a lying cunt of the worst order and Trump would have ample grounds to file a defamation action against him.
And "Perry" is a serious candidate? Are you fucking kidding me?
Unlike Perry's elite DC crowd. Trump speaks to tens of thousands of hard working Americans who are scared to death of where this country is going.
He speaks to me. The GOP will reap the whirlwind if they're not careful and we absolutely will walk from this corrupt piece of shit party in a heartbeat.
So, as we have read Ace bemoan and point out how much these losers in the GOP suck, are we going to now delve into deep criticisms of Trump, like he donated to a politician, HRC, that could literally fuck up his business and that he didn't trash her every 5 seconds. Or that a few of his hundreds of businesses didn't work out and that he had to file bk on them.
Such criticisms are clearly well thought out and have as much gravity as one would find at the Daily fucking Kos.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 23, 2015 12:36 PM (q5APL)
Posted by: Soothie at July 23, 2015 12:36 PM (fvMOw)
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So the Repubs voted "Not Me" on this deal?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 23, 2015 12:36 PM (81UWZ)
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You just have to appreciate the thickness of the Republicans gall.
The really believe nobody noticed they already approved the deal in advance and their is not way a veto will be overridden.
Democrats are also engaged in a fan dance. Specifically Schumer is being coy about how he's voting under the guise of "reviewing the deal".
Which means he's looking for cover to vote "no" but then have the votes to pass it so he can say what a terrible deal it is. You know, arming the worn enemy of Israel with the tools to wipe them out and giving billions to the country who murdered our soldiers in Iraq. Oh yeah and still holds those pesky hostages.
I guess the new rallying cry in Congress is Death to America! Death to Israel!
Yeah and maybe the nuclear arms race this will start is good for business?
The really believe nobody noticed they already approved the deal in advance and their is not way a veto will be overridden.
Democrats are also engaged in a fan dance. Specifically Schumer is being coy about how he's voting under the guise of "reviewing the deal".
Which means he's looking for cover to vote "no" but then have the votes to pass it so he can say what a terrible deal it is. You know, arming the worn enemy of Israel with the tools to wipe them out and giving billions to the country who murdered our soldiers in Iraq. Oh yeah and still holds those pesky hostages.
I guess the new rallying cry in Congress is Death to America! Death to Israel!
Yeah and maybe the nuclear arms race this will start is good for business?
Posted by: Marcus T at July 23, 2015 12:37 PM (GGCsk)
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I got fleeced.
Posted by: Little Bo Peep at July 23, 2015 12:37 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: Admiral Akbar Roberts at July 23, 2015 12:37 PM (xsEwF)
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When we say "Death to America!" the meaning depends on what you mean by "death"
Posted by: Mullah Clinton at July 23, 2015 12:37 PM (k8tEg)
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"Thousands of lawyers doing end-runs and running circles around the GOP."
They are not running circles around the GOP, the GOP is IN ON IT.
They are not the stupid party. THEY ARE IN ON IT.
The only stupid people are the ones calling them the stupid party. The stupid party is getting exactly what they want. Not so stupid from their perspective.
They are not running circles around the GOP, the GOP is IN ON IT.
They are not the stupid party. THEY ARE IN ON IT.
The only stupid people are the ones calling them the stupid party. The stupid party is getting exactly what they want. Not so stupid from their perspective.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 23, 2015 12:37 PM (Ixbid)
92
Jazz hands everybody!
Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger
*dutifully rotates hands*
Posted by: Turd Ferguson
You're fapping again.
Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger
*dutifully rotates hands*
Posted by: Turd Ferguson
You're fapping again.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 23, 2015 12:37 PM (X88sA)
93
Somebody has got to pick the lettuce
We've no shortage of native-born unskilled able bodies. We're just not allowed to expect them to go to where the work is.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier
Anecdote from this year's strawberry crop in Rhea County:
Strawberry farmers there rely heavily on migrant farm workers. Unsurprisingly, a great many of them are latinos, and you can make reasonable guesses about immigration status. This year, many of the farmers were having a really hard time getting enough workers at $20/hr. That suggested to me that perhaps many folks in the worker pool had found much easier work for about the same pay. I figure a lot of them have embarked on a new career of mailbox-watching.
We've no shortage of native-born unskilled able bodies. We're just not allowed to expect them to go to where the work is.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier
Anecdote from this year's strawberry crop in Rhea County:
Strawberry farmers there rely heavily on migrant farm workers. Unsurprisingly, a great many of them are latinos, and you can make reasonable guesses about immigration status. This year, many of the farmers were having a really hard time getting enough workers at $20/hr. That suggested to me that perhaps many folks in the worker pool had found much easier work for about the same pay. I figure a lot of them have embarked on a new career of mailbox-watching.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 12:37 PM (/Ho8c)
94
Kerry sold us out. The Republicans got fleeced by the establishment.
Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at July 23, 2015 12:37 PM (0RdKg)
95
@82 - I prefer guillotines. It's much more entertaining when you're able to show the head to the crowd.
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor (sometimes JEM) at July 23, 2015 12:37 PM (o+SC1)
96
"Is there any hope at all that the Corker bill will be deemed unconstitutional?"
It's a tax.
Also, standing. You lack it.
Don't make me open this can of emanations and penumbras.
It's a tax.
Also, standing. You lack it.
Don't make me open this can of emanations and penumbras.
Posted by: The Dread Justice Roberts at July 23, 2015 12:37 PM (noWW6)
97
I saw the turdle on Fox And Friends(I think) the
other morning and he said he would be surprised if the Dims could round
up even 20 votes for this deal....
Posted by: TX ette at July 23, 2015 12:34 PM
To go with all the "Republican" votes teh Bitch has already lined up for it, you mean?
When you hand a known thug a loaded firearm, you have no right to whine when he holds it to your head.
other morning and he said he would be surprised if the Dims could round
up even 20 votes for this deal....
Posted by: TX ette at July 23, 2015 12:34 PM
To go with all the "Republican" votes teh Bitch has already lined up for it, you mean?
When you hand a known thug a loaded firearm, you have no right to whine when he holds it to your head.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 23, 2015 12:38 PM (rCmeG)
98
85
So what happened to Constanza Defense?
He got sick of you guys?
Posted by: Soothie at July 23, 2015 12:36 PM (fvMOw)
Maybe he finally started his own Eugenics blog. Or he's busy sniffing that other Charles Johnson's jock.
So what happened to Constanza Defense?
He got sick of you guys?
Posted by: Soothie at July 23, 2015 12:36 PM (fvMOw)
Maybe he finally started his own Eugenics blog. Or he's busy sniffing that other Charles Johnson's jock.
Posted by: buzzion at July 23, 2015 12:38 PM (zt+N6)
99
74 I saw the turdle on Fox And Friends(I think) the other morning and he said he would be surprised if the Dims could round up even 20 votes for this deal....
Posted by: TX ette at July 23, 2015 12:34 PM (sUJHF)
Wanna see my O-face?
Posted by: TX ette at July 23, 2015 12:34 PM (sUJHF)
Wanna see my O-face?
Posted by: Senator Mitch McConnell at July 23, 2015 12:38 PM (R0UpV)
100
Kerry is as bad as Biden - the power he has achieved despite being dumb as a post, yet unbelievably arrogant makes me weep for my country.
We will have to see him shocked, shocked when Iran attacks Israel and it makes me ill just thinking about it.
We will have to see him shocked, shocked when Iran attacks Israel and it makes me ill just thinking about it.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 23, 2015 12:38 PM (NOIQH)
101
I'm so proud of my idiot brother for only charging 100K to attend a fundraiser for wounded veterans. Made me so proud to be a Bush, and an American.
Posted by: Jeb Bush at July 23, 2015 12:38 PM (VcOqI)
102
No, no hope. Who has standing to tell Congress to do their job?
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 23, 2015 12:35 PM (VAsIq)
I don't know, but Congress can't delegate their fucking enumerated powers to someone else because they feel like it.
(not getting in to the federal reserve aspect, but uh yeah, thats part of this).
They do not have the ability to delegate their treaty power to John Kerry and Barack Obama, both of whom work in the executive branch.
But they tried anyways. 98 to fucking 1.
And we said "hey, you just pre approved Obamas treaty, sight unseen." and they said, "What, are you fucking nuts? This gives us veto power! Plus we get 90 days to look at it, and we can modify it, and you guys are really dumb for not seeing this."
And now they're saying, "we got tricked! who could have ever seen this coming? We had no way of knowing this would be the turnout of us pre approving the treaty! Voters, we need more money and votes to take on these dastardly democrats who tricked us!"
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 23, 2015 12:35 PM (VAsIq)
I don't know, but Congress can't delegate their fucking enumerated powers to someone else because they feel like it.
(not getting in to the federal reserve aspect, but uh yeah, thats part of this).
They do not have the ability to delegate their treaty power to John Kerry and Barack Obama, both of whom work in the executive branch.
But they tried anyways. 98 to fucking 1.
And we said "hey, you just pre approved Obamas treaty, sight unseen." and they said, "What, are you fucking nuts? This gives us veto power! Plus we get 90 days to look at it, and we can modify it, and you guys are really dumb for not seeing this."
And now they're saying, "we got tricked! who could have ever seen this coming? We had no way of knowing this would be the turnout of us pre approving the treaty! Voters, we need more money and votes to take on these dastardly democrats who tricked us!"
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 12:38 PM (AkOaV)
103
Theoretically, any voting citizen should have standing to demand that Congress perform its constitutional duty. That would presuppose we still are subject to the rule of law and not the caprice of men.
So, yeah we are screwed.
So, yeah we are screwed.
Posted by: kraki at July 23, 2015 12:38 PM (TNa9O)
104
"Is there any hope at all that the Corker bill will be deemed unconstitutional?"
Depends on whether the PTB like it or not. If they do, not a chance in hell. If not, it's toast.
"Is there any hope at all that the Corker bill will be deemed unconstitutional?"
Depends on whether the PTB like it or not. If they do, not a chance in hell. If not, it's toast.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 12:38 PM (/Ho8c)
105
The next President of The United States is,
My Pet Cat!
-
Better not be My Pet Goat 'cause that guy is a war criminal.
My Pet Cat!
-
Better not be My Pet Goat 'cause that guy is a war criminal.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 23, 2015 12:38 PM (lKSyl)
106
I keep trying to find the "continue reading" button. Alas, nothing more really needed to be said. I want to spit every time I see an "R" lambaste this deal. And McCain... "Obama won't call it a treaty so it isn't one." Solid argument, chief.
Posted by: duke at July 23, 2015 12:39 PM (mDxGf)
107
It was obvious what Republicans were in January 2009, when they all were fighting to sit on Obama's dick in the opening weeks of his presidency.
Then they orchestrated the Obamacare failure play - doing key votes to let it all happen - while maintaining the illusion that they were fighting it. ("History is calling!")
The TEA party accidentally happened, and Boehner made his crap pledge to America to clip its wings. It worked. The TEA party tried to reform the GOP from within. What fools we were.
Then they orchestrated the Obamacare failure play - doing key votes to let it all happen - while maintaining the illusion that they were fighting it. ("History is calling!")
The TEA party accidentally happened, and Boehner made his crap pledge to America to clip its wings. It worked. The TEA party tried to reform the GOP from within. What fools we were.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 23, 2015 12:39 PM (shLnc)
108
Ace, if your posts are supposed to give me hope and cheer me up, you are failing miserably.
Posted by: StrawMan at July 23, 2015 12:39 PM (CJRaf)
109
"We've no shortage of native-born unskilled able bodies. We're just not allowed to expect them to go to where the work is."
I had a full employment program for those people, but did you appreciate it? Nooo.
I had a full employment program for those people, but did you appreciate it? Nooo.
Posted by: Jefferson Davis at July 23, 2015 12:39 PM (xsEwF)
110
When you hand a known thug a loaded firearm, you have no right to whine when he holds it to your head.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 23, 2015 12:38 PM (rCmeG)
We need to co-opt the Iranian mullahcracy.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 23, 2015 12:38 PM (rCmeG)
We need to co-opt the Iranian mullahcracy.
Posted by: Senator Mitch McConnell at July 23, 2015 12:39 PM (R0UpV)
111
Torches/Pitchforks 2016
Posted by: Real Reform at July 23, 2015 12:39 PM (es0c0)
112
When Iran nukes DC, I will laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh ad infinitum. Because literally EVERYONE (Gary Oldman gif here) sees that coming, yet they refuse to. Because they know better. Because they ARE better. Smarter. Ivy League graduated. Cocktail party invitees.
Enjoy the smoldering, radioactive hole in the ground, assholes. You clowns have earned it.
Enjoy the smoldering, radioactive hole in the ground, assholes. You clowns have earned it.
Posted by: sans_sheriff at July 23, 2015 12:39 PM (5reLy)
113
Voters, we need more money and votes to take on these dastardly democrats who tricked us!"
Posted by: mynewhandle
Two words:
Fvck. Them.
Posted by: mynewhandle
Two words:
Fvck. Them.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 12:39 PM (/Ho8c)
114
@ 84 - "He speaks to me. The GOP will reap the whirlwind if they're not careful and we absolutely will walk from this corrupt piece of shit party in a heartbeat."
No no no no no! You can't walk away and support Trump! Because reasonableness. And electability. And Trump says mean things. And Trump doesn't play by our rules.
No no no no no! You can't walk away and support Trump! Because reasonableness. And electability. And Trump says mean things. And Trump doesn't play by our rules.
Posted by: GOP "Leadership" at July 23, 2015 12:40 PM (Mtb58)
115
This "Treaty" or what ever you want to call this POS was pre-ordained from the day Fredo got re-elected.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:40 PM (gf8BH)
116
I had a full employment program for those people, but did you appreciate it? Nooo.
Posted by: Jefferson Davis
Umm. Yeah. Not even I can defend that, sorry.
Posted by: Jefferson Davis
Umm. Yeah. Not even I can defend that, sorry.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 12:40 PM (/Ho8c)
117
Yep, I've been playing Fallout 3 in preparation.
Posted by: kraki at July 23, 2015 12:41 PM (TNa9O)
Posted by: Bob put in your Corker, plebe! at July 23, 2015 12:41 PM (ODxAs)
119
If we took to torches and pitchforks, they would use the military to kill us. That is the truth.
Posted by: Vigilante at July 23, 2015 12:42 PM (VcOqI)
120
A British -Sudanese jihadi with links to a group of medics who went to Syria to join Islamic State has been killed during fighting in the country, according to reports.
Osman Mustafa Fagiri,,23, was believed to be connected to a group of medical students, four women and five men, who travelled to Syria to work in hospitals in Isis-controlled areas.
He is understood to have joined Sudanese jihadis who went to fight in Mali in 2013, and visited Swiss Cottage in north London for 10 days last year before flying back to Khartoum, Sudan's capital.
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Faggy, sob, we're gonna miss you, boy. LOL Anyway, this guy became a jihadi in 2013 and still managed to return to the UK for a vacation last year? Step up your game, limeys!
Osman Mustafa Fagiri,,23, was believed to be connected to a group of medical students, four women and five men, who travelled to Syria to work in hospitals in Isis-controlled areas.
He is understood to have joined Sudanese jihadis who went to fight in Mali in 2013, and visited Swiss Cottage in north London for 10 days last year before flying back to Khartoum, Sudan's capital.
===========
Faggy, sob, we're gonna miss you, boy. LOL Anyway, this guy became a jihadi in 2013 and still managed to return to the UK for a vacation last year? Step up your game, limeys!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 23, 2015 12:42 PM (iQIUe)
121
Where are those new adjectives I ordered a few years ago to replace the now-inadequate "orwellian" and "unbelievable"?
Kerry actually said (Rush played it) that a problem with any future US repudiation of the "deal" would be that the *Iranian* leadership would then no longer be able to trust *the US*.
(breathes deeply, shakes head, drinks coffee)
I know there have been unimaginably stupid, damaging, unconstitutional things the past few years, beyond counting really.
But this is up there for top 5. A vile, violent, ruthless, aggressive despotism that hangs religious minorities and organizes repugnant terrorist violence GLOBALLY - a regime that is as serious and important and blood-covered an enemy of the US as has existed since the little guys in tophats signed the papers on the deck of the USS Missouri - is being let off the hook, rewarded, given billions of $$$, veritably set free to rampage against us and our allies, partners, and interests.
Where are those new adjectives I ordered a few years ago to replace the now-inadequate "orwellian" and "unbelievable"?
Kerry actually said (Rush played it) that a problem with any future US repudiation of the "deal" would be that the *Iranian* leadership would then no longer be able to trust *the US*.
(breathes deeply, shakes head, drinks coffee)
I know there have been unimaginably stupid, damaging, unconstitutional things the past few years, beyond counting really.
But this is up there for top 5. A vile, violent, ruthless, aggressive despotism that hangs religious minorities and organizes repugnant terrorist violence GLOBALLY - a regime that is as serious and important and blood-covered an enemy of the US as has existed since the little guys in tophats signed the papers on the deck of the USS Missouri - is being let off the hook, rewarded, given billions of $$$, veritably set free to rampage against us and our allies, partners, and interests.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 23, 2015 12:42 PM (QDnY+)
122
The next President of The United States is,
My Pet Cat!
Invest in tuna futures and whoever makes those tiny mice that rattle. And cardboard box manufacturies.
But seriously, how much worse would the leadership at the helm really be?
My Pet Cat!
Invest in tuna futures and whoever makes those tiny mice that rattle. And cardboard box manufacturies.
But seriously, how much worse would the leadership at the helm really be?
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 12:42 PM (/Ho8c)
123
I had a full employment program for those people, but did you appreciate it? Nooo.
Posted by: Jefferson Davis at July 23, 2015 12:39 PM (xsEwF)
We're big fans of it.
Posted by: Jefferson Davis at July 23, 2015 12:39 PM (xsEwF)
We're big fans of it.
Posted by: Chamber of Commerce at July 23, 2015 12:42 PM (shLnc)
124
At this point what difference does it make?
Posted by: james at July 23, 2015 12:43 PM (rVEMe)
125
If we took to torches and pitchforks, they would use the military to kill us. That is the truth.
Posted by: Vigilante
Well, we all have a pen and a phone, right? That's makes us all mighty.
Right?
Posted by: Vigilante
Well, we all have a pen and a phone, right? That's makes us all mighty.
Right?
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 23, 2015 12:43 PM (VAsIq)
126
I had a full employment program for those people, but did you appreciate it? Nooo.
Not what I'm talking about, and you know it.
http://is.gd/Qad3qw
Not what I'm talking about, and you know it.
http://is.gd/Qad3qw
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 23, 2015 12:43 PM (/kI1Q)
127
This, *after* the Republicans told their base that if the base faithfully donated, volunteered and voted, then control of the Senate was in reach after 2014. Work hard, people! Pay up!
Mitch McConnell in 2014: "We will break Obama and force him to enact Republican policies."
http://tinyurl.com/pufh4zk
Mitch McConnell in 2014: "We will break Obama and force him to enact Republican policies."
http://tinyurl.com/pufh4zk
Posted by: V the K at July 23, 2015 12:43 PM (O7MnT)
128
"Thousands of lawyers doing end-runs and running circles around the GOP."
They are not running circles around the GOP, the GOP is IN ON IT.
They are not the stupid party. THEY ARE IN ON IT.
The only stupid people are the ones calling them the stupid party. The stupid party is getting exactly what they want. Not so stupid from their perspective.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 23, 2015 12:37 PM (Ixbid)
Some are, some aren't.
Boehner & Co are.
But, remember, the O administration is using agencies to avoid Congressional votes, and Exec. Orders to avoid Congress, etc. The IRS going after conservatives? Under the radar.
Some things they are onboard with, yes. Not all. They are being duped. O is usurping more power, and obfuscating Congress more than any other before him.
They are not running circles around the GOP, the GOP is IN ON IT.
They are not the stupid party. THEY ARE IN ON IT.
The only stupid people are the ones calling them the stupid party. The stupid party is getting exactly what they want. Not so stupid from their perspective.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 23, 2015 12:37 PM (Ixbid)
Some are, some aren't.
Boehner & Co are.
But, remember, the O administration is using agencies to avoid Congressional votes, and Exec. Orders to avoid Congress, etc. The IRS going after conservatives? Under the radar.
Some things they are onboard with, yes. Not all. They are being duped. O is usurping more power, and obfuscating Congress more than any other before him.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 23, 2015 12:43 PM (qCMvj)
129
If we took to torches and pitchforks, they would use the military to kill us. That is the truth.
Posted by: Vigilante
Yes, they would. It would be a crisis with little precedent in this country.
Posted by: Vigilante
Yes, they would. It would be a crisis with little precedent in this country.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 12:43 PM (/Ho8c)
130
Where is Sato and his Japanese 747 when you need him?
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 23, 2015 12:43 PM (GpgJl)
131
119 If we took to torches and pitchforks, they would use the military to kill us. That is the truth.
Posted by: Vigilante at July 23, 2015 12:42 PM (VcOqI)
Well, the police at least. I think the military will be on our side in the Burning Times.
Posted by: Vigilante at July 23, 2015 12:42 PM (VcOqI)
Well, the police at least. I think the military will be on our side in the Burning Times.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at July 23, 2015 12:43 PM (vgIRn)
132
#129 Some people are encouraged to riot. Others are not.
Posted by: Vigilante at July 23, 2015 12:44 PM (VcOqI)
133
Yeah, I was sliding steadily into the Not Going to Vote camp after Perry and Cruz so recently shitting the bed with Walker looking less and less assertive.
But I'm about to go full Trumptard. I was just going to sit on the sidelines and watch the show, but I'm about to start actively working on undermining the GOP.
To the apologists - you had your ckufing chance, cupcakes. You chose to believe the GOP was going to marry you if you let him keep gaping your squeakhole year after year.
But I'm about to go full Trumptard. I was just going to sit on the sidelines and watch the show, but I'm about to start actively working on undermining the GOP.
To the apologists - you had your ckufing chance, cupcakes. You chose to believe the GOP was going to marry you if you let him keep gaping your squeakhole year after year.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 23, 2015 12:45 PM (xSCb6)
134
"If we took to torches and pitchforks, they would use the military to kill us. That is the truth."
I'm not so sure the military would be on board with that.
I'm not so sure the military would be on board with that.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 23, 2015 12:45 PM (Mtb58)
135
If we took to torches and pitchforks, they would use the military to kill us.
Some would. Not all.
Those that do? While they are out, their families get a Come To Jesus meeting.
Some would. Not all.
Those that do? While they are out, their families get a Come To Jesus meeting.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 23, 2015 12:45 PM (X88sA)
136
132 #129 Some people are encouraged to riot. Others are not.
Posted by: Vigilante at July 23, 2015 12:44 PM (VcOqI)
Tell me about it...
Posted by: Vigilante at July 23, 2015 12:44 PM (VcOqI)
Tell me about it...
Posted by: Burning CVS in Baltimore at July 23, 2015 12:45 PM (shLnc)
137
131 Well, the police at least. I think the military will be on our side in the Burning Times.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at July 23, 2015 12:43 PM (vgIRn)
Not after Pharaoh Choom fired all the leadership who opposed his illegal shit.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at July 23, 2015 12:43 PM (vgIRn)
Not after Pharaoh Choom fired all the leadership who opposed his illegal shit.
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 23, 2015 12:45 PM (GpgJl)
138
Wanna know who else got fleeced?
Prescient and everyone else here that said Trump would never stage a third party run.
Prescient and everyone else here that said Trump would never stage a third party run.
Posted by: Chi at July 23, 2015 12:45 PM (EfRAJ)
139
Another thing, Trump is playing psy-ops using the media.
He's been in the Reform Party so he knows how crazy difficult it is to mount a third party run.
But as I'm sure he's sick of these fuckers attacking him every day and night, he's like you guys better get in line or I might absolutely Perot your ass.
Smart move.
He's been in the Reform Party so he knows how crazy difficult it is to mount a third party run.
But as I'm sure he's sick of these fuckers attacking him every day and night, he's like you guys better get in line or I might absolutely Perot your ass.
Smart move.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 23, 2015 12:45 PM (q5APL)
140
Tha only ones being fleeced here are the American people. Corker's deal virtually guarantees thie awful deal with Iran will be implemented and every Rep who voted for it knows that. Of course, they'll huff and puff bit it's all theater. Their actions, as opposed to their bullshit words, show they wanted a deal just as bad as the O administration.
Posted by: Motorhead at July 23, 2015 12:45 PM (AL+Ku)
141
Well, the police at least. I think the military will be on our side in the Burning Times.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains
I'm not so sure. I would imagine there would be a big split in both of those groups.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains
I'm not so sure. I would imagine there would be a big split in both of those groups.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 12:46 PM (/Ho8c)
142
#134 I didn't used to think so. Now, I'm not so sure.
Posted by: Vigilante at July 23, 2015 12:46 PM (VcOqI)
143
Not after Pharaoh Choom fired all the leadership who opposed his illegal shit.
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 23, 2015 12:45 PM (GpgJl)
Yeah no. The American Military will not turn on Americans, no matter what Fredo did or does
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 23, 2015 12:45 PM (GpgJl)
Yeah no. The American Military will not turn on Americans, no matter what Fredo did or does
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:46 PM (gf8BH)
144
"When Iran nukes DC, I will laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh ad infinitum."
Manhattan.
Hopefully the special delivery of the bucket of sunshine will occur while Senators Schumer and Gillibrand are in town to raise more money from their hedge fund friends.
Manhattan.
Hopefully the special delivery of the bucket of sunshine will occur while Senators Schumer and Gillibrand are in town to raise more money from their hedge fund friends.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 23, 2015 12:46 PM (noWW6)
145
134 "If we took to torches and pitchforks, they would use the military to kill us. That is the truth."
I'm not so sure the military would be on board with that.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 23, 2015 12:45 PM (Mtb5
I wouldn't think they'd be on board with barricading the Lincoln memorial or Mt. Rushmore, but they were.
I'm not so sure the military would be on board with that.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 23, 2015 12:45 PM (Mtb5
I wouldn't think they'd be on board with barricading the Lincoln memorial or Mt. Rushmore, but they were.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 23, 2015 12:46 PM (shLnc)
146
Hey remember when Otyrant said we need a police force in this country that rivals our military (paraphrased)?
Black Lives Matter!
Hey remember when Otyrant said we need a police force in this country that rivals our military (paraphrased)?
Black Lives Matter!
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 23, 2015 12:47 PM (ODxAs)
147
Torches/Pitchforks 2016
Posted by: Real Reform
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Rope..., we're gonna need rope. Tar and feathers for dessert.
Posted by: Real Reform
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Rope..., we're gonna need rope. Tar and feathers for dessert.
Posted by: Voters, who thought R's were conservative. at July 23, 2015 12:47 PM (9mTYi)
148
There is NOBODY at that Iran Nuclear Hearing. It's not even a sold out show. It's like a Met's game.
What a farce
What a farce
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:47 PM (gf8BH)
149
>>"Is there any hope at all that the Corker bill will be deemed unconstitutional?"<<
I saw a constitutional lawyer make the argument that Corker's bill is actually itself an exercise of the Treaty's 2/3rd's clause for the Iran deal.
That is, in voting for the Corker Bill they de facto approved the Iran deal.
He didn't completely know if it would hold, but he felt there was a strong argument.
So even the blood sucking lawyers think Congress may have already approved the deal, constitutionally.
I saw a constitutional lawyer make the argument that Corker's bill is actually itself an exercise of the Treaty's 2/3rd's clause for the Iran deal.
That is, in voting for the Corker Bill they de facto approved the Iran deal.
He didn't completely know if it would hold, but he felt there was a strong argument.
So even the blood sucking lawyers think Congress may have already approved the deal, constitutionally.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 23, 2015 12:47 PM (GGCsk)
150
CNN: There is no precedent in contemporary weather for the kinds of droughts the country's west will face, if greenhouse gas emissions stay on course, NASA said
No precedent even in the past 1000 years.
Gee, I'm old and remember when they just launched rockets to the moon.
Now they are all GW and shit.
No precedent even in the past 1000 years.
Gee, I'm old and remember when they just launched rockets to the moon.
Now they are all GW and shit.
Posted by: Colin at July 23, 2015 12:47 PM (lyhiY)
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After what Trump did to Anderson Cooper, I'm all in. I don't give a damn what happens next.
Posted by: Vigilante at July 23, 2015 12:47 PM (VcOqI)
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One thing you'll never hear Trump say: "Oops."
Posted by: Vigilante at July 23, 2015 12:48 PM (VcOqI)
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This isn't really Failure Theater, I think.
This is doing what they're paid to do by Big Business.
Big Business wants that Iranian money and they're going to get it by God even if millions perish in a nuclear holocaust.
Same shit happened with Cuba.
These motherfuckers are out of control.
This is doing what they're paid to do by Big Business.
Big Business wants that Iranian money and they're going to get it by God even if millions perish in a nuclear holocaust.
Same shit happened with Cuba.
These motherfuckers are out of control.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 23, 2015 12:48 PM (oFCZn)
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Some things they are onboard with, yes. Not all. They are being duped. O is usurping more power, and obfuscating Congress more than any other before him.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 23, 2015 12:43 PM (qCMvj)
They are not being duped.
They are all in on it. Or at least, going along to get along.
They know what's going on. I mean come on, we're a bunch of assholes in a comment section on a blog run by an ewok and we get it.
These are professions who make a living based on this shit. They, their staff, and their consultants, all know what's up.
They're just more interested in their little fiefdoms of power then in rocking the boat.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 23, 2015 12:43 PM (qCMvj)
They are not being duped.
They are all in on it. Or at least, going along to get along.
They know what's going on. I mean come on, we're a bunch of assholes in a comment section on a blog run by an ewok and we get it.
These are professions who make a living based on this shit. They, their staff, and their consultants, all know what's up.
They're just more interested in their little fiefdoms of power then in rocking the boat.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 12:48 PM (AkOaV)
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>>What a farce
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:47 PM (gf8BH)
<<
Yeah, I agree. The Mets are :-/
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:47 PM (gf8BH)
<<
Yeah, I agree. The Mets are :-/
Posted by: Marcus T at July 23, 2015 12:48 PM (GGCsk)
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Not after Pharaoh Choom fired all the leadership who opposed his illegal shit.
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 23, 2015 12:45 PM (GpgJl)
Not to mention the ordinary enlisted ones (such as my Gunnery Sergeant son, 13 years USMC) who got out because of the politics.
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 23, 2015 12:45 PM (GpgJl)
Not to mention the ordinary enlisted ones (such as my Gunnery Sergeant son, 13 years USMC) who got out because of the politics.
Posted by: jwb7605 at July 23, 2015 12:49 PM (M+9nV)
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Failure Theater, Act III, Scene ii: The Fleecening
Is that the one in which Sybil Danning rips off her blouse at some point?
Is that the one in which Sybil Danning rips off her blouse at some point?
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 23, 2015 12:49 PM (RD7QR)
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You just don't understand nth deminsional chess!
We understand it just fine, but you're playing checkers.
We understand it just fine, but you're playing checkers.
Posted by: SJW Bint at July 23, 2015 12:49 PM (YEelc)
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The next President of The United States is,
My Pet Cat!
I'd never vote for a cat. Can't trust any of them.
My Pet Cat!
I'd never vote for a cat. Can't trust any of them.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 23, 2015 12:49 PM (sWgE+)
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@133 - Perry has screwed himself with his over-the-top Trump-stomping.
I think Walker is playing this much smarter.
I think Walker is playing this much smarter.
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor (sometimes JEM) at July 23, 2015 12:49 PM (o+SC1)
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Corker, you stupid fuck, you gave Obama and Kerry the green light to go and get fleeced by the Iranians, knowing goddamn well that's exactly what was going to happen. Shove your grandstanding up your ass.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 23, 2015 12:49 PM (2Ojst)
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I wouldn't think they'd be on board with barricading the Lincoln memorial or Mt. Rushmore, but they were.
Was that the military, or the park service?
Was that the military, or the park service?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 23, 2015 12:49 PM (X88sA)
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143 Yeah no. The American Military will not turn on Americans, no matter what Fredo did or does
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:46 PM (gf8BH)
I am former military and I am not so sure of that.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:46 PM (gf8BH)
I am former military and I am not so sure of that.
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 23, 2015 12:49 PM (GpgJl)
164
We're way beyond Failure Theater. This is more like Nuclear Fallout Theater.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 23, 2015 12:49 PM (GGCsk)
165
One part of me feels like a German in the 1930s as the fascists take over our country.
The other part of me feels like an Englishman in the 1930s as we give tyrants all the stuff they want.
The other part of me feels like an Englishman in the 1930s as we give tyrants all the stuff they want.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at July 23, 2015 12:49 PM (f+6Pd)
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#136 I got some "goodies" for sale, if your interested.........
Posted by: Down on the Corner at July 23, 2015 12:50 PM (VcOqI)
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So even the blood sucking lawyers think Congress may have already approved the deal, constitutionally.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 23, 2015 12:47 PM (GGCsk)
a) no one will have standing to sue
and
b) yeah, basically. they pre-approved the treaty. It passed 98-1. I think any lawyer in DC could argue that as ratifying the treaty.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 23, 2015 12:47 PM (GGCsk)
a) no one will have standing to sue
and
b) yeah, basically. they pre-approved the treaty. It passed 98-1. I think any lawyer in DC could argue that as ratifying the treaty.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 12:50 PM (AkOaV)
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Some things they are onboard with, yes. Not all.
They are being duped. O is usurping more power, and obfuscating
Congress more than any other before him.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 23, 2015 12:43 PM
Oooooh, cue the sad violins!
No one in Congress is being "duped." They know damn well what they're doing, and know where the protections and payoffs are. They know the law, know they have broken it repeatedly, and know that their criminal behavior will never count against them. If for some unexpected reason they lose their Congressional seats, lucrative "consulting" and lobbying gigs await.
Yes, much of the blame lies with Choom Boy, who also knows what's going on. But he, too, knows he can cover himself in Special Privilege and go on about his perfidy with his adoring followers cheering him on.
They are being duped. O is usurping more power, and obfuscating
Congress more than any other before him.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 23, 2015 12:43 PM
Oooooh, cue the sad violins!
No one in Congress is being "duped." They know damn well what they're doing, and know where the protections and payoffs are. They know the law, know they have broken it repeatedly, and know that their criminal behavior will never count against them. If for some unexpected reason they lose their Congressional seats, lucrative "consulting" and lobbying gigs await.
Yes, much of the blame lies with Choom Boy, who also knows what's going on. But he, too, knows he can cover himself in Special Privilege and go on about his perfidy with his adoring followers cheering him on.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 23, 2015 12:50 PM (rCmeG)
Posted by: gwelf at July 23, 2015 12:50 PM (TJ8HB)
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I wouldn't think they'd be on board with barricading the Lincoln memorial or Mt. Rushmore, but they were.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 23, 2015 12:46 PM (shLnc)
Vets were responsible for tearing them down.
I wouldn't think they'd be on board with barricading the Lincoln memorial or Mt. Rushmore, but they were.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 23, 2015 12:46 PM (shLnc)
Vets were responsible for tearing them down.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 23, 2015 12:50 PM (fWAjv)
171
"This year, many of the farmers were having a really hard time getting enough workers at $20/hr. That suggested to me that perhaps many folks in the worker pool had found much easier work for about the same pay. I figure a lot of them have embarked on a new career of mailbox-watching."
That's why they need even more illegals who will pass on the work and head straight to the benefits office.
Then they will need even more illegals who will pass on the work and head straight to the benefits office.
Then they will need even more illegals...
That's why they need even more illegals who will pass on the work and head straight to the benefits office.
Then they will need even more illegals who will pass on the work and head straight to the benefits office.
Then they will need even more illegals...
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 23, 2015 12:50 PM (Ixbid)
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No surprise here, Obummer called the Corgis by insinuating that Republicans in Congress who didn't support the Iran process were racist colonialist nazi douchebags who cheat at Monopoly. Congress went along despite their misgivings because they are as addicted to poll numbers as The Lightbringer and friends are, and because of the cheering mob whose upraised voices drowned out dissent. Ave Casear!!
BUT...no one said they had to like the politics, like the deal (none dare call it treason or a treaty) or keep supporting it if Obummer and Lurch dropped the ball. Since it now turns out that Obummer and Lurch not only fumbled the figurative ball but stood by and scratched their butts while Iran scooped it up and ran it in for a touchdown AND a 2-point conversion... Yeah, the GOP Senate and House will cheerfully pretend they had nothing to do with the deal, and savage Kerry and Dear Leader for being dishonest idiots.
BUT...no one said they had to like the politics, like the deal (none dare call it treason or a treaty) or keep supporting it if Obummer and Lurch dropped the ball. Since it now turns out that Obummer and Lurch not only fumbled the figurative ball but stood by and scratched their butts while Iran scooped it up and ran it in for a touchdown AND a 2-point conversion... Yeah, the GOP Senate and House will cheerfully pretend they had nothing to do with the deal, and savage Kerry and Dear Leader for being dishonest idiots.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 23, 2015 12:51 PM (ry4ab)
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I am former military and I am not so sure of that.
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 23, 2015 12:49 PM (GpgJl)
I'm in and I don't see a hint of them ever turning on Americans. And contrary to what many think, the Military is still overwhelmingly Conservative
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 23, 2015 12:49 PM (GpgJl)
I'm in and I don't see a hint of them ever turning on Americans. And contrary to what many think, the Military is still overwhelmingly Conservative
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:51 PM (gf8BH)
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169 Is this a spoiler free thread?
I don't want the ending spoiled.
Posted by: gwelf at July 23, 2015 12:50 PM (TJ8HB)
You already know the ending. It ends in nuclear fire, and we're all totally fucked. The end.
I don't want the ending spoiled.
Posted by: gwelf at July 23, 2015 12:50 PM (TJ8HB)
You already know the ending. It ends in nuclear fire, and we're all totally fucked. The end.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 23, 2015 12:51 PM (2Ojst)
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Failure Theatre bears a strong resemblance to GroundHog Day--The Congressional version....
the faces vary and the plot occasionally has a new twist but the result is ALWAYS the same--Fucking the citizens of the USA!
the faces vary and the plot occasionally has a new twist but the result is ALWAYS the same--Fucking the citizens of the USA!
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at July 23, 2015 12:51 PM (7GI9v)
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159 The next President of The United States is,
My Pet Cat!
I'd never vote for a cat. Can't trust any of them.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 23, 2015 12:49 PM (sWgE+)
Yeah. We'll be lucky to survive THIS pussy in the WH.
My Pet Cat!
I'd never vote for a cat. Can't trust any of them.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 23, 2015 12:49 PM (sWgE+)
Yeah. We'll be lucky to survive THIS pussy in the WH.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 23, 2015 12:51 PM (nqiq9)
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But as I'm sure he's sick of these fuckers attacking him every day and night, he's like you guys better get in line or I might absolutely Perot your ass. Smart move.
Posted by: prescient11
Yeah. The stupid party forced a billionaire to go third party. Keep thinking that.
And fetch me another drink.
Posted by: prescient11
Yeah. The stupid party forced a billionaire to go third party. Keep thinking that.
And fetch me another drink.
Posted by: Hillarity at July 23, 2015 12:51 PM (Spluw)
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163 143 Yeah no. The American Military will not turn on Americans, no matter what Fredo did or does
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:46 PM (gf8BH)
I am former military and I am not so sure of that.
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 23, 2015 12:49 PM (GpgJl)
...I think you're both right.
The NCOs will not shoot on their friends and family. But that's not how it will be sold to them. They'll be on "counter terrorism" missions and no one will really know the full details except senior officers.
So I wouldn't bet on the entire military going AWOL if they were ever ordered to confiscate guns or violate posse comitatus or whatever. I think most if not all would go along with it, and by the time they realize what they were doing it would be too late.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:46 PM (gf8BH)
I am former military and I am not so sure of that.
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 23, 2015 12:49 PM (GpgJl)
...I think you're both right.
The NCOs will not shoot on their friends and family. But that's not how it will be sold to them. They'll be on "counter terrorism" missions and no one will really know the full details except senior officers.
So I wouldn't bet on the entire military going AWOL if they were ever ordered to confiscate guns or violate posse comitatus or whatever. I think most if not all would go along with it, and by the time they realize what they were doing it would be too late.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 12:52 PM (AkOaV)
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Bonus march.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 23, 2015 12:52 PM (W5DcG)
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Burn the Witch:
I agree. All of those who bash the guy as a know nothing idiot, have you even watched one full speech he's given? They're very good. And I mean very good. So tell me, who's the idiot? Trump, or somebody who rushes to judgment without even researching the damn issue.
In speaking of Bergdahl, Trump, off the top of his head - no notes, no prompter, not only knew how many Taliban scum we traded for him, but how many of our soldiers died looking for him.
Tell me how many other candidates know both of those two facts?
I agree. All of those who bash the guy as a know nothing idiot, have you even watched one full speech he's given? They're very good. And I mean very good. So tell me, who's the idiot? Trump, or somebody who rushes to judgment without even researching the damn issue.
In speaking of Bergdahl, Trump, off the top of his head - no notes, no prompter, not only knew how many Taliban scum we traded for him, but how many of our soldiers died looking for him.
Tell me how many other candidates know both of those two facts?
Posted by: prescient11 at July 23, 2015 12:52 PM (q5APL)
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"I wouldn't think they'd be on board with barricading the Lincoln memorial or Mt. Rushmore, but they were."
Quite a bit of difference between barricading a national park, and gunning down American citizens in the streets. Especially since the American citizens would begin to shoot back, there are a lot more of us than there are of them, and even if they have the expensive toys, they would still take extremely heavy losses.
But I doubt it'd even come to that. Have you seen Choom's approval rating among military personnel? 14%. Our troops know who is on their side.
They see Choom refusing to honour their dead by even lowering a flag until the optics got so bad that he *had* to. On the other hand, they see civilians with guns standing in front of recruiting centers to protect the disarmed service personnel inside.
They see one side who is cutting their pay, mistreating them in VA hospitals, disarming them, treating them like servants, etc. They see the other side honouring them, supporting them, who largely agrees with them politically, etc.
It wouldn't be like the Civil War, where the average soldier could perceive that he had a "righteous cause" to motivate him. In this case, it would be America-hating fascists telling service members to shoot down grandpa because he's disagreeing with the America-hating fascists.
I just don't see that happening to any degree.
Quite a bit of difference between barricading a national park, and gunning down American citizens in the streets. Especially since the American citizens would begin to shoot back, there are a lot more of us than there are of them, and even if they have the expensive toys, they would still take extremely heavy losses.
But I doubt it'd even come to that. Have you seen Choom's approval rating among military personnel? 14%. Our troops know who is on their side.
They see Choom refusing to honour their dead by even lowering a flag until the optics got so bad that he *had* to. On the other hand, they see civilians with guns standing in front of recruiting centers to protect the disarmed service personnel inside.
They see one side who is cutting their pay, mistreating them in VA hospitals, disarming them, treating them like servants, etc. They see the other side honouring them, supporting them, who largely agrees with them politically, etc.
It wouldn't be like the Civil War, where the average soldier could perceive that he had a "righteous cause" to motivate him. In this case, it would be America-hating fascists telling service members to shoot down grandpa because he's disagreeing with the America-hating fascists.
I just don't see that happening to any degree.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 23, 2015 12:52 PM (Mtb58)
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171
"This year, many of the farmers were having a really hard time getting
enough workers at $20/hr. That suggested to me that perhaps many folks
in the worker pool had found much easier work for about the same pay. I
figure a lot of them have embarked on a new career of mailbox-watching."
---------
Where do you live? For $20 an hour I will slather my Caucasian body in sunscreen and pick produce until my hands fall off.
"This year, many of the farmers were having a really hard time getting
enough workers at $20/hr. That suggested to me that perhaps many folks
in the worker pool had found much easier work for about the same pay. I
figure a lot of them have embarked on a new career of mailbox-watching."
---------
Where do you live? For $20 an hour I will slather my Caucasian body in sunscreen and pick produce until my hands fall off.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 23, 2015 12:52 PM (ry4ab)
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>>> If we took to torches and pitchforks, they would use the military to kill us. That is the truth.
"I'm not so sure the military would be on board with that."
The enlisted and the NCO corps, probably not.
The flag ranks? They've been undergoing a Tukhachevsky level purge of disloyal elements from the first day of the Obama presidency. Drumming out warriors like Jim Mattis in favor of bootlicking zampolits and spineless organization men.
Consider that when Obama pulled his nonsense about describing the jihadi terror rampage at Fort Hood as "workplace violence", *not one* Army general walked in and tossed his stars on the desk in protest. Not one.
"I'm not so sure the military would be on board with that."
The enlisted and the NCO corps, probably not.
The flag ranks? They've been undergoing a Tukhachevsky level purge of disloyal elements from the first day of the Obama presidency. Drumming out warriors like Jim Mattis in favor of bootlicking zampolits and spineless organization men.
Consider that when Obama pulled his nonsense about describing the jihadi terror rampage at Fort Hood as "workplace violence", *not one* Army general walked in and tossed his stars on the desk in protest. Not one.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 23, 2015 12:52 PM (noWW6)
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I just felt a disturbance in the force.. it was as if hundreds of Congressman and Senators realized they had been duped...
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 23, 2015 12:52 PM (so+oy)
185
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 23, 2015 12:43 PM (qCMvj)
I would say there is more evidence to support the contention that a large majority are in on it when you look at the voting records. Do you have evidence to support otherwise?
I would say there is more evidence to support the contention that a large majority are in on it when you look at the voting records. Do you have evidence to support otherwise?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (xSCb6)
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Voting for them again because of how bad the other guys did when THEY LET THEM is crazy.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (oVJmc)
187
I'd never vote for a cat. Can't trust any of them.
Posted by: wrg500
*stares through partly-open eyes, sits motionless*
*suddenly begins furiously licking back of paw*
*abruptly stops, stares at something invisible in the room, twitches tail*
*scampers out of room*
Posted by: wrg500
*stares through partly-open eyes, sits motionless*
*suddenly begins furiously licking back of paw*
*abruptly stops, stares at something invisible in the room, twitches tail*
*scampers out of room*
Posted by: Senator Feline at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (/Ho8c)
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131
Well, the police at least. I think the military will be on our side in the Burning Times.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at July 23, 2015 12:43 PM (vgIRn)
I no longer believe that. If the military was really on our side and the Constitution's side, they would have deposed and imprisoned those treasonous fucks in both parties by now.
Well, the police at least. I think the military will be on our side in the Burning Times.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at July 23, 2015 12:43 PM (vgIRn)
I no longer believe that. If the military was really on our side and the Constitution's side, they would have deposed and imprisoned those treasonous fucks in both parties by now.
Posted by: rickl at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (zoehZ)
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So do we really think Corker was fleeced by Obama/Kerry?
We think Corker didn't know exactly what he was doing?
We think Corker didn't know exactly what he was doing?
Posted by: gwelf at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (TJ8HB)
190
Time to call all Jews---except the American Jews who voted for Obama (virtually all of them)--home to Israel.
Posted by: Netanyahu at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (VcOqI)
191
@171 - please have a look at the Black Lives Matter marchers and imagine how many of them would survive a week picking strawberries.
One could say the same thing about the Occutards, though I imagine if you promised them free pot you could at least get them to go through the motions.
One could say the same thing about the Occutards, though I imagine if you promised them free pot you could at least get them to go through the motions.
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor (sometimes JEM) at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (o+SC1)
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The NCOs will not shoot on their friends and family. But that's not how it will be sold to them. They'll be on "counter terrorism" missions and no one will really know the full details except senior officers.
So I wouldn't bet on the entire military going AWOL if they were ever ordered to confiscate guns or violate posse comitatus or whatever. I think most if not all would go along with it, and by the time they realize what they were doing it would be too late.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 12:52 PM (AkOaV)
Yeah no. I think you guys have wild imaginations. And what makes you think with all the paper work and shit we have to do, that the Military has any time for any such thing anyway?
So I wouldn't bet on the entire military going AWOL if they were ever ordered to confiscate guns or violate posse comitatus or whatever. I think most if not all would go along with it, and by the time they realize what they were doing it would be too late.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 12:52 PM (AkOaV)
Yeah no. I think you guys have wild imaginations. And what makes you think with all the paper work and shit we have to do, that the Military has any time for any such thing anyway?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (gf8BH)
193
They know the law, know they have broken it repeatedly, and know that their criminal behavior will never count against them. If for some unexpected reason they lose their Congressional seats, lucrative "consulting" and lobbying gigs await.Yes, much of the blame lies with Choom Boy, who also knows what's going on. But he, too, knows he can cover himself in Special Privilege and go on about his perfidy with his adoring followers cheering him on.
Posted by: MrScribbler
It's not as if we were ever held responsible.
Posted by: MrScribbler
It's not as if we were ever held responsible.
Posted by: Umpteen governments in Greece at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (Spluw)
194
This year, many of the farmers were having a really hard time getting
enough workers at $20/hr. That suggested to me that perhaps many folks
in the worker pool had found much easier work for about the same pay. I
figure a lot of them have embarked on a new career of mailbox-watching."
Haven't I read where you have to make 42,000 a year to match the benefits you can get for free in some states?
enough workers at $20/hr. That suggested to me that perhaps many folks
in the worker pool had found much easier work for about the same pay. I
figure a lot of them have embarked on a new career of mailbox-watching."
Haven't I read where you have to make 42,000 a year to match the benefits you can get for free in some states?
Posted by: Colin at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (lyhiY)
195
CNN: There is no precedent in contemporary weather for the kinds of
droughts the country's west will face, if greenhouse gas emissions stay
on course, NASA saidNo precedent even in the past 1000 years.>>>
So the "Dust Bowl" was more than a 1000 years ago? Cause that drought looked pretty nasty in the photographs I've see.
droughts the country's west will face, if greenhouse gas emissions stay
on course, NASA saidNo precedent even in the past 1000 years.>>>
So the "Dust Bowl" was more than a 1000 years ago? Cause that drought looked pretty nasty in the photographs I've see.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (81UWZ)
196
If you think the military will all resign en masse rather than obey an order to shoot on Americans, well, I think your view of the world is rather rosy.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (eytER)
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>>When Iran nukes DC, I will laugh and laugh....
This is why I moved out of the DC area: it became obvious during Bush' second term that the Dems (and their enablers in the press, CIA, etc.) were more interested in scoring points against Bush that our national security. Decided my family should not be within a jihadi's prime target area.
I hope DC area 'rons and 'ettes remain safe, and have no enthusiasm for a successful Iranian attack on a US target.
This is why I moved out of the DC area: it became obvious during Bush' second term that the Dems (and their enablers in the press, CIA, etc.) were more interested in scoring points against Bush that our national security. Decided my family should not be within a jihadi's prime target area.
I hope DC area 'rons and 'ettes remain safe, and have no enthusiasm for a successful Iranian attack on a US target.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 23, 2015 12:54 PM (NOIQH)
198
The American Military will not turn on Americans, no matter what Fredo did or does
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:46 PM (gf8BH)
I am former military and I am not so sure of that.
I think it will be all Babylon 5, with some supporting the regime and some siding with freedom and the law.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:46 PM (gf8BH)
I am former military and I am not so sure of that.
I think it will be all Babylon 5, with some supporting the regime and some siding with freedom and the law.
Posted by: V the K at July 23, 2015 12:54 PM (O7MnT)
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Posted by: prescient11 <<<<
Do I recall correctly that you were one of the cheerleaders for Romney last time around?
Posted by: prescient11 <<<<
Do I recall correctly that you were one of the cheerleaders for Romney last time around?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 23, 2015 12:54 PM (ODxAs)
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...I think you're both right.
The NCOs will not shoot on their friends and family. But that's not how it will be sold to them. They'll be on "counter terrorism" missions and no one will really know the full details except senior officers.
So I wouldn't bet on the entire military going AWOL if they were ever ordered to confiscate guns or violate posse comitatus or whatever. I think most if not all would go along with it, and by the time they realize what they were doing it would be too late.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 12:52 PM (AkOaV)
I can produce 4 people who recently ended their enlistments that would completely agree with that.
The NCOs will not shoot on their friends and family. But that's not how it will be sold to them. They'll be on "counter terrorism" missions and no one will really know the full details except senior officers.
So I wouldn't bet on the entire military going AWOL if they were ever ordered to confiscate guns or violate posse comitatus or whatever. I think most if not all would go along with it, and by the time they realize what they were doing it would be too late.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 12:52 PM (AkOaV)
I can produce 4 people who recently ended their enlistments that would completely agree with that.
Posted by: jwb7605 at July 23, 2015 12:54 PM (M+9nV)
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There is no precedent in contemporary weather for the kinds of droughts the country's west will face, if greenhouse gas emissions stay on course, NASA said..
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"We've discovered arsenic-eating bacteria..", NASA said, accompanied by a huge public roll-out of the information.*
* Abruptly quiet when proven to be patently false by a private researcher.
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"We've discovered arsenic-eating bacteria..", NASA said, accompanied by a huge public roll-out of the information.*
* Abruptly quiet when proven to be patently false by a private researcher.
Posted by: Voters, who thought R's were conservative. at July 23, 2015 12:54 PM (9mTYi)
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Time to call all Jews---except the American Jews who voted for Obama (virtually all of them)--home to Israel.
Posted by: Netanyahu at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (VcOqI)
Not really, since that would make it an even easier and richer target. Spread out the assets and by assets I mean the Jewish Genes.
Posted by: Netanyahu at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (VcOqI)
Not really, since that would make it an even easier and richer target. Spread out the assets and by assets I mean the Jewish Genes.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:54 PM (gf8BH)
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I hope DC area 'rons and 'ettes remain safe, and have no enthusiasm for a successful Iranian attack on a US target.
It is not a thing to be wished for.
It is not a thing to be wished for.
Posted by: V the K at July 23, 2015 12:55 PM (O7MnT)
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Can we post a "how to" thread on surviving thermo-nuclear war?
Oh yeah and who is having a good ammo sale?
Oh yeah and who is having a good ammo sale?
Posted by: Marcus T at July 23, 2015 12:55 PM (GGCsk)
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Where do you live? For $20 an hour I will slather my Caucasian body in sunscreen and pick produce until my hands fall off.
Posted by: exdem13
This was in Rhea County, TN. Of course, the work was very short-term and without benefits of any kind. The reports came from typically reliable sources.
Posted by: exdem13
This was in Rhea County, TN. Of course, the work was very short-term and without benefits of any kind. The reports came from typically reliable sources.
Posted by: Senator Feline at July 23, 2015 12:55 PM (/Ho8c)
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ace, JackStraw and a few others here are correct, you are off on the constitutional/legislative situation here, but the key thing is that by wrongly focusing on the very clear treaty power aspect, you are in effect letting the GOP off the hook.
How is that?
This agreement does not undo any previous treaties. Whether all of this *should* be a treaty is actually a separate and serious constitutional question, one of the big gray areas, and not at all new or distinctive to this lawless administration.
Doesn't matter. The sanctions are a combo of executiveorders and legislation. The Congress can - while facing the same, normal hurdles of 2/3 to over-ride and filibusters in the Senate - restore/erect any damn sanctions it wants.
Yes, of course, with the P-5 group happily junking sanctions, unilateral sanctions lose much/most of their bite. But not all. We're the US, not France. Congress has, in connection with Iran and other sanctions regimes (as far back as South Africa sanctions back in the 80s), used the leverage we have as the world's primary trade and financial center to pressure others to comply with *our* sanctions. I believe back when the regime of multi-lateral, UNSC-centered Iran sanctions was being erected, the US used just this sort of indirect pressure to back our diplomatic efforts.
So Congress can still - any time, really - pass laws implementing US and long-arm/indirect sanctions via pressure on trading partners, against Iran. Same filibuster problem, same veto over-ride problem. But wrongly focusing on the bizarre Corker mechanism, in effect, lets Congress and the GOP off the hook. They STILL have all the power they had before tocomplicate and dilute the P-5 deal.
ace, JackStraw and a few others here are correct, you are off on the constitutional/legislative situation here, but the key thing is that by wrongly focusing on the very clear treaty power aspect, you are in effect letting the GOP off the hook.
How is that?
This agreement does not undo any previous treaties. Whether all of this *should* be a treaty is actually a separate and serious constitutional question, one of the big gray areas, and not at all new or distinctive to this lawless administration.
Doesn't matter. The sanctions are a combo of executiveorders and legislation. The Congress can - while facing the same, normal hurdles of 2/3 to over-ride and filibusters in the Senate - restore/erect any damn sanctions it wants.
Yes, of course, with the P-5 group happily junking sanctions, unilateral sanctions lose much/most of their bite. But not all. We're the US, not France. Congress has, in connection with Iran and other sanctions regimes (as far back as South Africa sanctions back in the 80s), used the leverage we have as the world's primary trade and financial center to pressure others to comply with *our* sanctions. I believe back when the regime of multi-lateral, UNSC-centered Iran sanctions was being erected, the US used just this sort of indirect pressure to back our diplomatic efforts.
So Congress can still - any time, really - pass laws implementing US and long-arm/indirect sanctions via pressure on trading partners, against Iran. Same filibuster problem, same veto over-ride problem. But wrongly focusing on the bizarre Corker mechanism, in effect, lets Congress and the GOP off the hook. They STILL have all the power they had before tocomplicate and dilute the P-5 deal.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 23, 2015 12:55 PM (QDnY+)
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/off tiny serial-killer sock
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 12:56 PM (/Ho8c)
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Bonus march.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 23, 2015 12:52 PM (W5DcG)
Yep
Hoover and MacArthur set the precedent.
Bonus march.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 23, 2015 12:52 PM (W5DcG)
Yep
Hoover and MacArthur set the precedent.
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 23, 2015 12:56 PM (GpgJl)
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I think it will be all Babylon 5, with some supporting the regime and some siding with freedom and the law.
Posted by: V the K at July 23, 2015 12:54 PM (O7MnT)
Yup. For military and police alike. I am actually more concerned with the police, as I think they attract a demographic who are in love with the idea of exerting authority over their fellow citizen and using force to back it up.
Posted by: V the K at July 23, 2015 12:54 PM (O7MnT)
Yup. For military and police alike. I am actually more concerned with the police, as I think they attract a demographic who are in love with the idea of exerting authority over their fellow citizen and using force to back it up.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 23, 2015 12:56 PM (2Ojst)
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And contrary to what many think, the Military is still overwhelmingly Conservative
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:51 PM (gf8BH)
Huh? What?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:51 PM (gf8BH)
Huh? What?
Posted by: The people in charge of making sure military ballots are delivered on time at July 23, 2015 12:56 PM (vgIRn)
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169 Is this a spoiler free thread?
I don't want the ending spoiled.
Posted by: gwelf at July 23, 2015 12:50 PM (TJ8HB)
You already know the ending. It ends in nuclear fire, and we're all totally fucked. The end.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 23, 2015 12:51 PM (2Ojst)
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Well, now that you've spoiled the end, can you tell me if I get to see Boehner cry and McTurtle make a passionless speech about how we'll get them next time?
169 Is this a spoiler free thread?
I don't want the ending spoiled.
Posted by: gwelf at July 23, 2015 12:50 PM (TJ8HB)
You already know the ending. It ends in nuclear fire, and we're all totally fucked. The end.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 23, 2015 12:51 PM (2Ojst)
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Well, now that you've spoiled the end, can you tell me if I get to see Boehner cry and McTurtle make a passionless speech about how we'll get them next time?
Posted by: gwelf at July 23, 2015 12:56 PM (TJ8HB)
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"We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it." -- Nancy Pelosi
Looks like either Congress never learns, or is complicit. I go with complicit.
Looks like either Congress never learns, or is complicit. I go with complicit.
Posted by: jim at July 23, 2015 12:56 PM (VwhRo)
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>>Time to call all Jews---except the American Jews who voted for Obama (virtually all of them)--home to Israel.
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I would love to see Israel just outright declare Jerusalem their capital and retake the Dome of the Rock.
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I would love to see Israel just outright declare Jerusalem their capital and retake the Dome of the Rock.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 23, 2015 12:56 PM (GGCsk)
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If you think the military will all resign en masse rather than obey an order to shoot on Americans, well, I think your view of the world is rather rosy.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (eytER)
Who is talking about resigning? If an Officer senior to me told me to do something I felt was unconstitutional, I'd tell him or her: Sir NO Sir, but by all means you can go go out there all by your lonesome.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (eytER)
Who is talking about resigning? If an Officer senior to me told me to do something I felt was unconstitutional, I'd tell him or her: Sir NO Sir, but by all means you can go go out there all by your lonesome.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:56 PM (gf8BH)
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The slow bleed by establishment politicians, enabled and abetted by the media will continue.
See: England, Venezuela, Greece.
See: England, Venezuela, Greece.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 23, 2015 12:57 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Marcus T at July 23, 2015 12:57 PM (GGCsk)
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Well, now that you've spoiled the end, can you tell me if I get to see Boehner cry and McTurtle make a passionless speech about how we'll get them next time?
Posted by: gwelf at July 23, 2015 12:56 PM (TJ8HB)
That's just a given.
Well, now that you've spoiled the end, can you tell me if I get to see Boehner cry and McTurtle make a passionless speech about how we'll get them next time?
Posted by: gwelf at July 23, 2015 12:56 PM (TJ8HB)
That's just a given.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 23, 2015 12:57 PM (2Ojst)
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47 If your cats were big enough, they'd eat you. And then lick their paws.....
Posted by: Here kitty, kitty at July 23, 2015 12:31 PM (VcOqI)
He's on his way.
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Mighty folk tale reference! One of my childhood favorites from the folk revival days before scary stories were left to R.L. Stine.
Even if Anko-chan was big enough to eat CPT Charles she would not do so, since that would mean giving up her favorite heated pillow.
47 If your cats were big enough, they'd eat you. And then lick their paws.....
Posted by: Here kitty, kitty at July 23, 2015 12:31 PM (VcOqI)
He's on his way.
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Mighty folk tale reference! One of my childhood favorites from the folk revival days before scary stories were left to R.L. Stine.
Even if Anko-chan was big enough to eat CPT Charles she would not do so, since that would mean giving up her favorite heated pillow.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 23, 2015 12:57 PM (ry4ab)
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And contrary to what many think, the Military is still overwhelmingly Conservative
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:51 PM (gf8BH)
I know a retired bird colonel who is a complete moonbat.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:51 PM (gf8BH)
I know a retired bird colonel who is a complete moonbat.
Posted by: V the K at July 23, 2015 12:57 PM (O7MnT)
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Ace,
Did you read that sidebar piece on the unconstitutionality of the Iran agreement?
Therein, it makes a good case that what the prior congressional vote only concerned a non-binding agreement.
>>Thus the point of Congress' legislation was to limit the President's power to suspend sanctions pursuant to a nonbinding agreement (which it assumed the President would conclude on his own authority). To now argue that the legislation approved a binding agreement takes it completely out of context.
I am all for dinging congress on its many failures, but I am not so sure that is warranted here (re: trading 2/3 majority senate ratification for something less).
Did you read that sidebar piece on the unconstitutionality of the Iran agreement?
Therein, it makes a good case that what the prior congressional vote only concerned a non-binding agreement.
>>Thus the point of Congress' legislation was to limit the President's power to suspend sanctions pursuant to a nonbinding agreement (which it assumed the President would conclude on his own authority). To now argue that the legislation approved a binding agreement takes it completely out of context.
I am all for dinging congress on its many failures, but I am not so sure that is warranted here (re: trading 2/3 majority senate ratification for something less).
Posted by: George Costanza at July 23, 2015 12:57 PM (Vf5rR)
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So the "Dust Bowl" was more than a 1000 years ago? Cause that drought looked pretty nasty in the photographs I've see.
1st 10 or so minutes of Intersteller, I thought I was watching a Dust Bowl documentary.
1st 10 or so minutes of Intersteller, I thought I was watching a Dust Bowl documentary.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 23, 2015 12:57 PM (X88sA)
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Yeah no. I think you guys have wild imaginations. And what makes you think with all the paper work and shit we have to do, that the Military has any time for any such thing anyway?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (gf8BH)
I'm not saying it's a likely scenario, just that i don't think the military would refuse an order from the president if it ever came to it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (gf8BH)
I'm not saying it's a likely scenario, just that i don't think the military would refuse an order from the president if it ever came to it.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 12:57 PM (AkOaV)
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off costanza sock
Posted by: rebel flounder at July 23, 2015 12:57 PM (Vf5rR)
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I would love to see Israel just outright declare Jerusalem their capital and retake the Dome of the Rock.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 23, 2015 12:56 PM (GGCsk)
Retake? Ain't no retaking to it. We have it.
I would love to see Israel just outright declare Jerusalem their capital and retake the Dome of the Rock.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 23, 2015 12:56 PM (GGCsk)
Retake? Ain't no retaking to it. We have it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:58 PM (gf8BH)
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Yeah no. I think you guys have wild imaginations.
And what makes you think with all the paper work and shit we have to do,
that the Military has any time for any such thing anyway?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
It it ever comes down to it, I hope to God you are right.
Yeah, government loves them some paperwork.
And what makes you think with all the paper work and shit we have to do,
that the Military has any time for any such thing anyway?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
It it ever comes down to it, I hope to God you are right.
Yeah, government loves them some paperwork.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 12:58 PM (/Ho8c)
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GOPe knows how to get things done. Unfortunately, they don't what needs doing.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 23, 2015 12:58 PM (oDCMR)
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Let's see if I understand the Worthless Pond Scum in Chief on this Iran deal.
The alternative to war is unconditional surrender in advance. Do I understand him correctly?
The alternative to war is unconditional surrender in advance. Do I understand him correctly?
Posted by: Northernlurker at July 23, 2015 12:58 PM (6KXYh)
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@ 188 - "I no longer believe that. If the military was really on our side and the Constitution's side, they would have deposed and imprisoned those treasonous fucks in both parties by now."
No. Look, what you're saying they "should have done by now" would not only be unprecedented in American history, but is so far outside of what would be a reasonable response to date that there's no way it would have happened. We have an electoral system. Yes, it doesn't work very well anymore, but we have one. If we *really* wanted to change things, we could. But we don't. Why is the military going to go all full Bolivia and toss out politicians that we and it don't like when We the People don't even do it ourselves?
No. Look, what you're saying they "should have done by now" would not only be unprecedented in American history, but is so far outside of what would be a reasonable response to date that there's no way it would have happened. We have an electoral system. Yes, it doesn't work very well anymore, but we have one. If we *really* wanted to change things, we could. But we don't. Why is the military going to go all full Bolivia and toss out politicians that we and it don't like when We the People don't even do it ourselves?
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 23, 2015 12:58 PM (Mtb58)
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I'm not saying it's a likely scenario, just that i don't think the military would refuse an order from the president if it ever came to it.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 12:57 PM (AkOaV)
Yeah no. There are such things as illegal Orders.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 12:57 PM (AkOaV)
Yeah no. There are such things as illegal Orders.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:58 PM (gf8BH)
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Not really, since that would make it an even easier and richer target. Spread out the assets and by assets I mean the Jewish Genes.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Okay, I'll knock up one of those hot Israeli soldier girls for the cause.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Okay, I'll knock up one of those hot Israeli soldier girls for the cause.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 23, 2015 12:59 PM (VAsIq)
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Well, the police at least. I think the military will be on our side in the Burning Times.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts
Anybody here been in the military and NOT had multiple discussions of what you personally would do if called to do just that?
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts
Anybody here been in the military and NOT had multiple discussions of what you personally would do if called to do just that?
Posted by: traye at July 23, 2015 12:59 PM (P+Y6z)
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>>Retake? Ain't no retaking to it. We have it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:58 PM (gf8BH)
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Retake? My bad. I meant bulldoze.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:58 PM (gf8BH)
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Retake? My bad. I meant bulldoze.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 23, 2015 12:59 PM (GGCsk)
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So this is more Kabuki, and America took it in the face from Congress and the White House.
Posted by: Penfold at July 23, 2015 12:59 PM (Fbt5B)
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#198 Sounds like two different armies---two different sets of beliefs---set against one another. Brother against brother. Sounds eerily familiar.
Posted by: Netanyahu at July 23, 2015 12:59 PM (VcOqI)
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>>The American Military will not turn on Americans, no matter what Fredo did or does
I'd be more concerned about DHS and the agencies involved in mock domestic terror exercises like Jade Helm. That is training authorities to fight terrorists like "Christian extremists."
They certainly got a lot of armed EPA(?) personnel to descend on the Bundy Ranch. Didn't see a lot of hesitation of using force until the armed citizens showed up.
I'd be more concerned about DHS and the agencies involved in mock domestic terror exercises like Jade Helm. That is training authorities to fight terrorists like "Christian extremists."
They certainly got a lot of armed EPA(?) personnel to descend on the Bundy Ranch. Didn't see a lot of hesitation of using force until the armed citizens showed up.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 23, 2015 01:00 PM (NOIQH)
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220 Ace,
Did you read that sidebar piece on the unconstitutionality of the Iran agreement?
Therein, it makes a good case that what the prior congressional vote only concerned a non-binding agreement.
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Its a Tax - Let me rewrite it. Stuff Roberts says.
Did you read that sidebar piece on the unconstitutionality of the Iran agreement?
Therein, it makes a good case that what the prior congressional vote only concerned a non-binding agreement.
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Its a Tax - Let me rewrite it. Stuff Roberts says.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 23, 2015 01:00 PM (oDCMR)
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At least when I lie it's entertaining.
Posted by: Trump at July 23, 2015 01:00 PM (shLnc)
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A more interesting question, what would happen if Choom King ordered martial law and some red state governors chose to respond by calling up their state National Guard units.
Posted by: V the K at July 23, 2015 01:00 PM (O7MnT)
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Where do you live? For $20 an hour I will slather my Caucasian body in sunscreen and pick produce until my hands fall off.
Posted by: exdem13
This was in Rhea County, TN. Of
course, the work was very short-term and without benefits of any kind.
The reports came from typically reliable sources.
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Sounds like a lot of my recent "work experience", short term and no benefits to speak of. Amazing how King Putt has re-set labor relations to Biblical days. Work all day in the fields for a denarius...or work two hours in the same fields for a denarius.
Where do you live? For $20 an hour I will slather my Caucasian body in sunscreen and pick produce until my hands fall off.
Posted by: exdem13
This was in Rhea County, TN. Of
course, the work was very short-term and without benefits of any kind.
The reports came from typically reliable sources.
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Sounds like a lot of my recent "work experience", short term and no benefits to speak of. Amazing how King Putt has re-set labor relations to Biblical days. Work all day in the fields for a denarius...or work two hours in the same fields for a denarius.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 23, 2015 01:00 PM (ry4ab)
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Retake? My bad. I meant bulldoze.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 23, 2015 12:59 PM (GGCsk)
Well I would not be in favor of that for a variety of reason, but I could easily be persuaded to look the other way or get a coke on a break.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 23, 2015 12:59 PM (GGCsk)
Well I would not be in favor of that for a variety of reason, but I could easily be persuaded to look the other way or get a coke on a break.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 01:00 PM (gf8BH)
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You already know the ending. It ends in nuclear fire, and we're all totally fucked. The end.
Posted by: Insomniac
You are one chipper dude.
Still trying to stifle the laugh, though. That's funny, with a gallows humor vibe.
Posted by: Insomniac
You are one chipper dude.
Still trying to stifle the laugh, though. That's funny, with a gallows humor vibe.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 01:01 PM (/Ho8c)
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They certainly got a lot of armed EPA(?) personnel to descend on the Bundy Ranch. Didn't see a lot of hesitation of using force until the armed citizens showed up.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 23, 2015 01:00 PM (NOIQH)
BLM, I think. Bureau of Land Management.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 23, 2015 01:00 PM (NOIQH)
BLM, I think. Bureau of Land Management.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 23, 2015 01:01 PM (2Ojst)
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Obama could have done this with his phone and pen. Why did he even bother with the rubber stamp parliament?
Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at July 23, 2015 01:01 PM (1BQGO)
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General Sherman: You will wage war on the citizens of Georgia.
Soldiers: Oh, yes sir. Just give me the torch.
Soldiers: Oh, yes sir. Just give me the torch.
Posted by: Vigilante: at July 23, 2015 01:01 PM (VcOqI)
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I'd be more concerned about DHS and the agencies involved in mock domestic terror exercises like Jade Helm. That is training authorities to fight terrorists like "Christian extremists."
They certainly got a lot of armed EPA(?) personnel to descend on the Bundy Ranch. Didn't see a lot of hesitation of using force until the armed citizens showed up.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 23, 2015 01:00 PM (NOIQH)
YUP
They certainly got a lot of armed EPA(?) personnel to descend on the Bundy Ranch. Didn't see a lot of hesitation of using force until the armed citizens showed up.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 23, 2015 01:00 PM (NOIQH)
YUP
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 01:01 PM (gf8BH)
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195 So the "Dust Bowl" was more than a 1000 years ago? Cause that drought looked pretty nasty in the photographs I've see.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (81UWZ)
And don't forget, the Dust Bowl was actually caused by government action in a region widely known for droughts. The government ignored local ranchers and Indians who warned them what they were doing would be a disaster.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (81UWZ)
And don't forget, the Dust Bowl was actually caused by government action in a region widely known for droughts. The government ignored local ranchers and Indians who warned them what they were doing would be a disaster.
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 23, 2015 01:01 PM (GpgJl)
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114 @ 84 - "He speaks to me. The GOP will reap the whirlwind if they're not careful and we absolutely will walk from this corrupt piece of shit party in a heartbeat."
No no no no no! You can't walk away and support Trump! Because reasonableness. And electability. And Trump says mean things. And Trump doesn't play by our rules.
but there is a reason any conservative shouldn't support him; it's because Trump is a bloviating idiot; as likely to support Hillary (or Oprah!) after he loses than to do anything that would aid the conservative cause. The idea that Trump is a conservative is laughable. People blasted Romney because he didn't speak "conservative." He sounded like he was trying to learn a new language. They were right. Trump is worse.
Walk away from these failure theater poseurs, I'm not against that. Walk to Trump? Why?
No no no no no! You can't walk away and support Trump! Because reasonableness. And electability. And Trump says mean things. And Trump doesn't play by our rules.
but there is a reason any conservative shouldn't support him; it's because Trump is a bloviating idiot; as likely to support Hillary (or Oprah!) after he loses than to do anything that would aid the conservative cause. The idea that Trump is a conservative is laughable. People blasted Romney because he didn't speak "conservative." He sounded like he was trying to learn a new language. They were right. Trump is worse.
Walk away from these failure theater poseurs, I'm not against that. Walk to Trump? Why?
Posted by: duke at July 23, 2015 01:01 PM (mDxGf)
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And what makes you think with all the paper work and
shit we have to do, that the Military has any time for any such thing
anyway?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM
As a non-military person, I tend to think if the SHTF, there would be divided loyalties in the military.
A lot of the career chairborne fatcats at the P-gon would, I think, go with what butters their bread, especially when the orders are coming from just up the street and were given by someone they know is claimed to be the C-in-C.
The grunts in the field, who would have to do the dirty work either way, would be more open to deciding the citizens rate more care than the political hacks.
The real crisis would come if Choom Boy ordered U.S. forces to protect Iran from an Israeli attack? Which way would the jet jockeys are missile techs go? I'd like to think they would, at a minimum, lock on the "wrong" targets, but I don't know.
Maybe some with real military experience have a better grasp of the situation. It bugs me, and I have no answers for myself.
shit we have to do, that the Military has any time for any such thing
anyway?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM
As a non-military person, I tend to think if the SHTF, there would be divided loyalties in the military.
A lot of the career chairborne fatcats at the P-gon would, I think, go with what butters their bread, especially when the orders are coming from just up the street and were given by someone they know is claimed to be the C-in-C.
The grunts in the field, who would have to do the dirty work either way, would be more open to deciding the citizens rate more care than the political hacks.
The real crisis would come if Choom Boy ordered U.S. forces to protect Iran from an Israeli attack? Which way would the jet jockeys are missile techs go? I'd like to think they would, at a minimum, lock on the "wrong" targets, but I don't know.
Maybe some with real military experience have a better grasp of the situation. It bugs me, and I have no answers for myself.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 23, 2015 01:02 PM (rCmeG)
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@192 - "Yeah no. I think you guys have wild imaginations. And what makes you think with all the paper work and shit we have to do, that the Military has any time for any such thing anyway?"
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Best thing to do? If you're still in, identify likeminded NCOs and "pass the word" to them off-the-radar like that when they start being told to go after American citizens on American soil in late-night raids because these are "terrorists" and its an "anti-terrorist" action, that what is *really* going on is that they're being used to round up dissidents from the regime. Plant the seed of doubt. Just do it around drinks in the bar or wherever, and get them to pass it on. Short-circuit it before it can get started.
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Best thing to do? If you're still in, identify likeminded NCOs and "pass the word" to them off-the-radar like that when they start being told to go after American citizens on American soil in late-night raids because these are "terrorists" and its an "anti-terrorist" action, that what is *really* going on is that they're being used to round up dissidents from the regime. Plant the seed of doubt. Just do it around drinks in the bar or wherever, and get them to pass it on. Short-circuit it before it can get started.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 23, 2015 01:02 PM (Mtb58)
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#237 Yes, and when the others lie, they call it "leadership."
Posted by: Vigilante: at July 23, 2015 01:02 PM (VcOqI)
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Okay, I'll knock up one of those hot Israeli soldier girls for the cause.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson
This sounds like a cause I can get behind.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson
This sounds like a cause I can get behind.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 01:02 PM (/Ho8c)
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This movie was made in 1996 by HBO...what would the military do if ordered to shot Americans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGKBfew6hSU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGKBfew6hSU
Posted by: Colin at July 23, 2015 01:02 PM (lyhiY)
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Guy Mohawk:
In the primaries I thought that Romney was the only one that could talk. Not excited about him, but I was excited about anyone that had a shot of getting rid of these piece of filth in the WH.
I was a Romney voter, donor and volunteer. I am not ashamed of that vote, but not as ashamed as I am of the McCain vote.
No mas. No more fucking half measures. The establishment must be crushed. That's what's moving me even farther away from Brad Dayspring and Walker.
Very few I trust. Notice all the non-establishment candidates have said jack shit about Trump or come out and flatly supported him.
What does that say to you?
In the primaries I thought that Romney was the only one that could talk. Not excited about him, but I was excited about anyone that had a shot of getting rid of these piece of filth in the WH.
I was a Romney voter, donor and volunteer. I am not ashamed of that vote, but not as ashamed as I am of the McCain vote.
No mas. No more fucking half measures. The establishment must be crushed. That's what's moving me even farther away from Brad Dayspring and Walker.
Very few I trust. Notice all the non-establishment candidates have said jack shit about Trump or come out and flatly supported him.
What does that say to you?
Posted by: prescient11 at July 23, 2015 01:03 PM (q5APL)
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"I am former military and I am not so sure of that.
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 23, 2015 12:49 PM (GpgJl)"
I agree. I occasionally jog on the mall. During the shutdown, the Park Rangers manning ther barricades acted like smug, nasty a-holes towards people asking questions about the closures. They were lovinghavving the power to tell people to keep out.
"I am former military and I am not so sure of that.
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 23, 2015 12:49 PM (GpgJl)"
I agree. I occasionally jog on the mall. During the shutdown, the Park Rangers manning ther barricades acted like smug, nasty a-holes towards people asking questions about the closures. They were lovinghavving the power to tell people to keep out.
Posted by: Benji Carver at July 23, 2015 01:03 PM (OD2ni)
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I'd be more concerned about DHS and the agencies involved in mock domestic terror exercises like Jade Helm. That is training authorities to fight terrorists like "Christian extremists."
They certainly got a lot of armed EPA(?) personnel to descend on the Bundy Ranch. Didn't see a lot of hesitation of using force until the armed citizens showed up.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 23, 2015 01:00 PM (NOIQH)
Jade Helm is a DoD training exercise. All military as far as I know.
Bundy Ranch was a stand off with the BLM -- bureau of land management.
And yes, the fed bureaucracy has a fairly large "standing army" at this point, which falls outside of normal military procedures and restrictions.
They certainly got a lot of armed EPA(?) personnel to descend on the Bundy Ranch. Didn't see a lot of hesitation of using force until the armed citizens showed up.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 23, 2015 01:00 PM (NOIQH)
Jade Helm is a DoD training exercise. All military as far as I know.
Bundy Ranch was a stand off with the BLM -- bureau of land management.
And yes, the fed bureaucracy has a fairly large "standing army" at this point, which falls outside of normal military procedures and restrictions.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 01:03 PM (AkOaV)
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The real crisis would come if Choom Boy ordered U.S. forces to protect Iran from an Israeli attack? Which way would the jet jockeys are missile techs go? I'd like to think they would, at a minimum, lock on the "wrong" targets, but I don't know.
Maybe some with real military experience have a better grasp of the situation. It bugs me, and I have no answers for myself.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 23, 2015 01:02 PM (rCmeG)
A) that would never happen
B) What makes you think we have all that many assets in the MIddle East anymore? In a month we will not even have a Carrier there
Maybe some with real military experience have a better grasp of the situation. It bugs me, and I have no answers for myself.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 23, 2015 01:02 PM (rCmeG)
A) that would never happen
B) What makes you think we have all that many assets in the MIddle East anymore? In a month we will not even have a Carrier there
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 01:03 PM (gf8BH)
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238 A more interesting question, what would happen if Choom King ordered martial law and some red state governors chose to respond by calling up their state National Guard units.
In the first place, the National Guard would go with the president rather than fight the Army or endure air strikes. Civilians make for an easier enemy.
In the second place, given the craven nature of GOP governors, they'd turn the National Guard out to help.
In the first place, the National Guard would go with the president rather than fight the Army or endure air strikes. Civilians make for an easier enemy.
In the second place, given the craven nature of GOP governors, they'd turn the National Guard out to help.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 23, 2015 01:04 PM (shLnc)
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I'd be more concerned about DHS and the agencies involved in mock domestic terror exercises like Jade Helm. That is training authorities to fight terrorists like "Christian extremists."
They certainly got a lot of armed EPA(?) personnel to descend on the Bundy Ranch. Didn't see a lot of hesitation of using force until the armed citizens showed up.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 23, 2015 01:00 PM (NOIQH)
Don't forget the Dept of Education has SWAT teams.
They certainly got a lot of armed EPA(?) personnel to descend on the Bundy Ranch. Didn't see a lot of hesitation of using force until the armed citizens showed up.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 23, 2015 01:00 PM (NOIQH)
Don't forget the Dept of Education has SWAT teams.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 23, 2015 01:04 PM (sWgE+)
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[Union Soldiers in Georgia]: Oh, yes sir. Just give me the torch.
Posted by: Vigilante
Whee! Looting and raping and pillaging, oh my!
Posted by: Vigilante
Whee! Looting and raping and pillaging, oh my!
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 01:04 PM (/Ho8c)
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Best thing to do? If you're still in, identify likeminded NCOs and "pass the word" to them off-the-radar like that when they start being told to go after American citizens on American soil in late-night raids because these are "terrorists" and its an "anti-terrorist" action, that what is *really* going on is that they're being used to round up dissidents from the regime. Plant the seed of doubt. Just do it around drinks in the bar or wherever, and get them to pass it on. Short-circuit it before it can get started.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 23, 2015 01:02 PM (Mtb5
We talk. I know who has my back in my Unit.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 23, 2015 01:02 PM (Mtb5
We talk. I know who has my back in my Unit.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 01:04 PM (gf8BH)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 23, 2015 01:04 PM (LA7Cm)
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So, the Iranian deal gives them unfettered ability to deal in conventional weapons. You know, weapons of war, which is necessary for war, which Code Pink is opposed to.
So why were they clapping?
So why were they clapping?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 23, 2015 01:05 PM (NjiZL)
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BLM, I think. Bureau of Land Management.
Posted by: Insomniac
Oh, the geniuses that gave the firearm to Illegal Juan, the Sea Lion Sniper.
Posted by: Insomniac
Oh, the geniuses that gave the firearm to Illegal Juan, the Sea Lion Sniper.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 01:06 PM (/Ho8c)
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" Didn't see a lot of hesitation of using force until the armed citizens showed up."
That was the lesson everyone learned, including them.
Next time, it won't be armed agents who can be stood off by armed citizens. It will be midnight raids to nab folks before anyone can get the word out. Eventually, people would figure out what was going on, and take appropriate measures to make sure any further raids were very costly for the Feds. But initially, I can see them taking out a lot of the most prominent conservative activists, militia leaders, gun rights leaders, etc.
That was the lesson everyone learned, including them.
Next time, it won't be armed agents who can be stood off by armed citizens. It will be midnight raids to nab folks before anyone can get the word out. Eventually, people would figure out what was going on, and take appropriate measures to make sure any further raids were very costly for the Feds. But initially, I can see them taking out a lot of the most prominent conservative activists, militia leaders, gun rights leaders, etc.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 23, 2015 01:06 PM (Mtb58)
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262 So, the Iranian deal gives them unfettered ability to deal in conventional weapons. You know, weapons of war, which is necessary for war, which Code Pink is opposed to.
So why were they clapping?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 23, 2015 01:05 PM (NjiZL)
One group is clapping because they're total fucking idiots. The other group is clapping because they like anything that fucks the US and strengthens our enemies.
So why were they clapping?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 23, 2015 01:05 PM (NjiZL)
One group is clapping because they're total fucking idiots. The other group is clapping because they like anything that fucks the US and strengthens our enemies.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 23, 2015 01:06 PM (2Ojst)
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>BLM, I think. Bureau of Land Management.
D'oh! Yes, BLM.
But most federal agencies now have SWAT/police-like personnel nowadays, even Dept. of Ed. And they keep buying all that ammo.
I'm much more concerned about a weaponized DHS/ICE than our military. I would think if it came to that, they would rely more on the military's technological resources, such as drones.
D'oh! Yes, BLM.
But most federal agencies now have SWAT/police-like personnel nowadays, even Dept. of Ed. And they keep buying all that ammo.
I'm much more concerned about a weaponized DHS/ICE than our military. I would think if it came to that, they would rely more on the military's technological resources, such as drones.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 23, 2015 01:06 PM (NOIQH)
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Next is The Fuckening
After that, The Laughening.
And then...
THE RECKONING.
/bullwhips cracking
/screaming
Next is The Fuckening
After that, The Laughening.
And then...
THE RECKONING.
/bullwhips cracking
/screaming
Posted by: Soothie at July 23, 2015 01:07 PM (fvMOw)
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 01:07 PM (/Ho8c)
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174 insomniac:
You already know the ending. It ends in nuclear fire, and we're all totally fucked. The end.
We're trying to discuss a serious subject here. Quit clowning around.
You already know the ending. It ends in nuclear fire, and we're all totally fucked. The end.
We're trying to discuss a serious subject here. Quit clowning around.
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 23, 2015 01:07 PM (l2Gqi)
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You are one chipper dude.
Still trying to stifle the laugh, though. That's funny, with a gallows humor vibe.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 01:01 PM (/Ho8c)
My unflinchingly positive outlook is but one of my many fine characteristics.
You are one chipper dude.
Still trying to stifle the laugh, though. That's funny, with a gallows humor vibe.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 01:01 PM (/Ho8c)
My unflinchingly positive outlook is but one of my many fine characteristics.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 23, 2015 01:08 PM (2Ojst)
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The GOPe is a bunch of big fat meanies!
Posted by: The Donald at July 23, 2015 01:08 PM (EfRAJ)
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I am actually more concerned with the police, as I think they attract a demographic who are in love with the idea of exerting authority over their fellow citizen and using force to back it up.
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Case in point. The Texas dust-up where the woman committed suicide after arrest. The video of the cop's behavior was damning. The woman may have been a bad actor, but the cop let his authoritarian ego run amok.
If you have watched the video, there is a particularly chilling moment when the cop says, "I have the right... (to do this)".
I recall this exchange, and, get used to it, I'm going to be quoting it often:
Dr. Zhivago: You have no right to call me from my work.
Communist Political Officer: As a Soviet Deputy, l ...
Dr. Zhivago: That gives you power, not the right.
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Case in point. The Texas dust-up where the woman committed suicide after arrest. The video of the cop's behavior was damning. The woman may have been a bad actor, but the cop let his authoritarian ego run amok.
If you have watched the video, there is a particularly chilling moment when the cop says, "I have the right... (to do this)".
I recall this exchange, and, get used to it, I'm going to be quoting it often:
Dr. Zhivago: You have no right to call me from my work.
Communist Political Officer: As a Soviet Deputy, l ...
Dr. Zhivago: That gives you power, not the right.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 23, 2015 01:08 PM (9mTYi)
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I was a Romney voter, donor and volunteer. I am not ashamed of that vote, but not as ashamed as I am of the McCain vote.
What does that say to you?
Posted by: prescient11 at July 23, 2015 01:03 PM (q5APL)
If you didn't see Mittens folding in the clutch a mile away after placating MA Dems, then excoriating GOP candidates, you need to stop using prescient in your name, bucco.
And the way you wrote it, it makes is sound like you are trying to say you are ashamed of the Romney vote, just less ashamed than your McCain vote. Shoulda seen that one coming...
What does that say to you?
Posted by: prescient11 at July 23, 2015 01:03 PM (q5APL)
If you didn't see Mittens folding in the clutch a mile away after placating MA Dems, then excoriating GOP candidates, you need to stop using prescient in your name, bucco.
And the way you wrote it, it makes is sound like you are trying to say you are ashamed of the Romney vote, just less ashamed than your McCain vote. Shoulda seen that one coming...
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at July 23, 2015 01:08 PM (R0UpV)
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Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 23, 2015 01:06 PM (Mtb5
Yep.
Between the NSA data mining and the militarization / federalization of local police...
...if the federal government ever got a whiff of unrest among the natives, they'd deal with it right quick.
One morning we'd all wake up and find out (through whispers and rumors) that a bunch of people are now in jail.
That would shut everyone else up real quickly.
Yep.
Between the NSA data mining and the militarization / federalization of local police...
...if the federal government ever got a whiff of unrest among the natives, they'd deal with it right quick.
One morning we'd all wake up and find out (through whispers and rumors) that a bunch of people are now in jail.
That would shut everyone else up real quickly.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 01:08 PM (AkOaV)
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Nood Ace
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 23, 2015 01:08 PM (GpgJl)
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There has literally been controlled anarchy and lawlessness since the usurper was sworn in in 2009. Period.
Both parties agreed to go along with the coup. You all who laughed at the birthers well, here are your results. And don't kid yourselves. Obama holds his usurpation over their heads as blackmail since they were willing accessories to his crime. They are traitors by the Constitution and they damn well know it. That's why there is a free for all. He goes down, then so do they.
No citizen has standing. Anywhere. On any subject. Not the courts, not through their representative, not through law enforcement, and not through the military.
Not one agency, or branch of government is acting lawfully. Not one branch of government are fulfilling their sworn duties. It's chaos. There are no rules only whims, executive orders.
The constitution in every single facet has been sh!t upon. Treaties? Borders? Illegals? Spending? Benghazi, IRS, Fast & Furious? Holder? Lerner?
Both parties are actively courting illegals for illegal votes, they are giving a nuclear bomb to literally our biggest enemy. They are spending money that doesn't exist.
The only person getting my vote is Trump.
Both parties agreed to go along with the coup. You all who laughed at the birthers well, here are your results. And don't kid yourselves. Obama holds his usurpation over their heads as blackmail since they were willing accessories to his crime. They are traitors by the Constitution and they damn well know it. That's why there is a free for all. He goes down, then so do they.
No citizen has standing. Anywhere. On any subject. Not the courts, not through their representative, not through law enforcement, and not through the military.
Not one agency, or branch of government is acting lawfully. Not one branch of government are fulfilling their sworn duties. It's chaos. There are no rules only whims, executive orders.
The constitution in every single facet has been sh!t upon. Treaties? Borders? Illegals? Spending? Benghazi, IRS, Fast & Furious? Holder? Lerner?
Both parties are actively courting illegals for illegal votes, they are giving a nuclear bomb to literally our biggest enemy. They are spending money that doesn't exist.
The only person getting my vote is Trump.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 23, 2015 01:08 PM (Ixbid)
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My unflinchingly positive outlook is but one of my many fine characteristics.
Posted by: Insomniac
I like to think of it as "slightly cynical realism."
Posted by: Insomniac
I like to think of it as "slightly cynical realism."
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 01:09 PM (/Ho8c)
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>>> The real crisis would come if Choom Boy ordered U.S. forces to protect
Iran from an Israeli attack?
"A) that would never happen"
There is apparently an annex to the deal Kerry and Obama signed on to, wherein the USA explicitly undertakes to militarily defend Iran against external actions aimed at the nuclear facilities that the Iranians claim not to have.
Iran from an Israeli attack?
"A) that would never happen"
There is apparently an annex to the deal Kerry and Obama signed on to, wherein the USA explicitly undertakes to militarily defend Iran against external actions aimed at the nuclear facilities that the Iranians claim not to have.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 23, 2015 01:09 PM (noWW6)
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I think they attract a demographic who are in love with the idea of exerting authority over their fellow citizen and using force to back it up.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 23, 2015 12:56 PM (2Ojst)
Whatever do you mean???
Posted by: Insomniac at July 23, 2015 12:56 PM (2Ojst)
Whatever do you mean???
Posted by: Daniel Harless at July 23, 2015 01:09 PM (fWAjv)
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Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 23, 2015 01:07 PM (l2Gqi)
I'm not. Iran with a nuke? Ends with nuclear fire and we're all fucked.
I'm not. Iran with a nuke? Ends with nuclear fire and we're all fucked.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 23, 2015 01:09 PM (2Ojst)
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Duke:
I was for Cruz. But Cruz can't win. He just can't. The same line of attack was used against Cruz supporters by many here on this blog: "you're like a ron paul fanatic", you're a "hero worshipper".
Excuse me? No, I've logically and coldly analyzed the situation and Cruz is the best one I see. And again, when this blog's proprietor was working for a great guy in Mike Flynn, tell me what politician bucked the establishment and came in to try and help what we all know was an unwinnable goal: Ted fucking Cruz. So maybe you don't like his speaking style or certain positions, but he's one of OURS and we shouldn't treat him like shit just because we may not "like" him.
As for Trump, I'm no hero worshipper, not at all. I've researched all his positions past and present. And as a Cruz-level conservative, I'm ok with him. I have my doubts, who wouldn't, but there is nothing I see that we can't get past or accommodate.
What really sold me is watching his speeches. The guy is fucking brilliant. Watch his Phoenix speech, watch his press conference with victim's families, watch his Arkansas speech.
I mean fuck, watch his interviews. He totally pwned Cooper last night and Anderson left it on the friendliest of terms with him. It's amazing.
He has done a very very good job and has not backed down one iota. That earns my respect, my vote, my loyalty, and the absolute putrid corrupt rotten lying mess that is the GOPe has outed itself, right here, on stage.
I'm still skeptical, but Trump gives me hope. That's something we haven't had in a long, long time.
I was for Cruz. But Cruz can't win. He just can't. The same line of attack was used against Cruz supporters by many here on this blog: "you're like a ron paul fanatic", you're a "hero worshipper".
Excuse me? No, I've logically and coldly analyzed the situation and Cruz is the best one I see. And again, when this blog's proprietor was working for a great guy in Mike Flynn, tell me what politician bucked the establishment and came in to try and help what we all know was an unwinnable goal: Ted fucking Cruz. So maybe you don't like his speaking style or certain positions, but he's one of OURS and we shouldn't treat him like shit just because we may not "like" him.
As for Trump, I'm no hero worshipper, not at all. I've researched all his positions past and present. And as a Cruz-level conservative, I'm ok with him. I have my doubts, who wouldn't, but there is nothing I see that we can't get past or accommodate.
What really sold me is watching his speeches. The guy is fucking brilliant. Watch his Phoenix speech, watch his press conference with victim's families, watch his Arkansas speech.
I mean fuck, watch his interviews. He totally pwned Cooper last night and Anderson left it on the friendliest of terms with him. It's amazing.
He has done a very very good job and has not backed down one iota. That earns my respect, my vote, my loyalty, and the absolute putrid corrupt rotten lying mess that is the GOPe has outed itself, right here, on stage.
I'm still skeptical, but Trump gives me hope. That's something we haven't had in a long, long time.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 23, 2015 01:09 PM (q5APL)
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Okay, I'll knock up one of those hot Israeli soldier girls for the cause.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 23, 2015 12:59 PM (VAsIq)
You, sir, are a patriot.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 23, 2015 12:59 PM (VAsIq)
You, sir, are a patriot.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at July 23, 2015 01:09 PM (vgIRn)
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>>Jade Helm is a DoD training exercise. All military as far as I know.
Oops - didn't recall that! I was thinking it was similar to the other DHS exercises they've done where they practice responding to a "domestic threat" which always seems to be a right-wing hate group.
Oops - didn't recall that! I was thinking it was similar to the other DHS exercises they've done where they practice responding to a "domestic threat" which always seems to be a right-wing hate group.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 23, 2015 01:10 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 23, 2015 01:10 PM (X88sA)
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183
>>> If we took to torches and pitchforks, they would use the military to kill us. That is the truth.
"I'm not so sure the military would be on board with that."
The enlisted and the NCO corps, probably not.
The
flag ranks? They've been undergoing a Tukhachevsky level purge of
disloyal elements from the first day of the Obama presidency. Drumming
out warriors like Jim Mattis in favor of bootlicking zampolits and
spineless organization men.
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This is a little beside the point since Obummer didn't get his COMPFOR corps like he wanted in his first term. (Star Wars EU reference for all Morons in the know.
) The senior ranks have been purged enough to make Uncle Joe smile, but the officers who haven't sold their souls to make Bird Colonel remember their oaths made to a Constitution and no living man. And the US Army is made of volunteers, not conscripts, pressed peons, or mercenaries. They can always say "no", "hell no", or "go to blazes". The political class in D.C. forgets that, as they have forgotten other things.
>>> If we took to torches and pitchforks, they would use the military to kill us. That is the truth.
"I'm not so sure the military would be on board with that."
The enlisted and the NCO corps, probably not.
The
flag ranks? They've been undergoing a Tukhachevsky level purge of
disloyal elements from the first day of the Obama presidency. Drumming
out warriors like Jim Mattis in favor of bootlicking zampolits and
spineless organization men.
-----------
This is a little beside the point since Obummer didn't get his COMPFOR corps like he wanted in his first term. (Star Wars EU reference for all Morons in the know.
) The senior ranks have been purged enough to make Uncle Joe smile, but the officers who haven't sold their souls to make Bird Colonel remember their oaths made to a Constitution and no living man. And the US Army is made of volunteers, not conscripts, pressed peons, or mercenaries. They can always say "no", "hell no", or "go to blazes". The political class in D.C. forgets that, as they have forgotten other things. Posted by: exdem13 at July 23, 2015 01:10 PM (ry4ab)
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I like to think of it as "slightly cynical realism."
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 01:09 PM (/Ho8c)
I like that. *takes notes*
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 23, 2015 01:09 PM (/Ho8c)
I like that. *takes notes*
Posted by: Insomniac at July 23, 2015 01:10 PM (2Ojst)
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"Yeah no. The American Military will not turn on Americans, no matter what Fredo did or does."
"At 4:45 p.m., commanded by Gen. Douglas MacArthur, the 12th Infantry Regiment, Fort Howard, Maryland, and the 3rd Cavalry Regiment, supported by six battle tanks commanded by Maj. George S. Patton, formed in Pennsylvania Avenue while thousands of civil service employees left work to line the street and watch. The Bonus Marchers, believing the troops were marching in their honor, cheered the troops until Patton ordered the cavalry to charge them - an action which prompted the spectators to yell, "Shame! Shame!" "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army
"At 4:45 p.m., commanded by Gen. Douglas MacArthur, the 12th Infantry Regiment, Fort Howard, Maryland, and the 3rd Cavalry Regiment, supported by six battle tanks commanded by Maj. George S. Patton, formed in Pennsylvania Avenue while thousands of civil service employees left work to line the street and watch. The Bonus Marchers, believing the troops were marching in their honor, cheered the troops until Patton ordered the cavalry to charge them - an action which prompted the spectators to yell, "Shame! Shame!" "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army
Posted by: despair at July 23, 2015 01:10 PM (xsEwF)
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Did this morning's Jeb fanboy go away?
Posted by: V the K at July 23, 2015 01:11 PM (O7MnT)
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What makes you think we have all that many assets in the MIddle East anymore? In a month we will not even have a Carrier there
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 01:03 PM
I know we have a few, in Iraq and (I thought) Saudi Arabia. And the Mocha Messiah can always order a Carrier back into the area. Takes time, I know, but for some reason I would expect this regime to demand much more speed -- and thus much less preparation -- than Bush demanded of Stormin' Norman.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 23, 2015 01:03 PM
I know we have a few, in Iraq and (I thought) Saudi Arabia. And the Mocha Messiah can always order a Carrier back into the area. Takes time, I know, but for some reason I would expect this regime to demand much more speed -- and thus much less preparation -- than Bush demanded of Stormin' Norman.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 23, 2015 01:11 PM (rCmeG)
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Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 23, 2015 01:08 PM (9mTYi)
That TX cop interaction is a typical police / citizen interaction that I've witnessed or been a part of.
"why do I need to step out of the vehicle?"
"BECAUSE I SAY SO! GET OUT OF THE FUCKING CAR AND PUT OUT YOUR CIGARETTE!"
"Uhh... fuck you?"
"YOURE UNDER ARREST FOR CONTEMPT OF COP -- I MEAN RESISTING ARREST"
"How can I resist arrest if I'm not under arrest?"
"YOU ARE NOW, WISEASS!"
Then they crack up upside the head, tackle you to the ground, use their knee to push your face in to the asphalt, and next thing you know you have a ridiculously high bond that won't be re-addressed until you get in front of a judge.
That's why I'm not a huge fan of cops, FWIW
That TX cop interaction is a typical police / citizen interaction that I've witnessed or been a part of.
"why do I need to step out of the vehicle?"
"BECAUSE I SAY SO! GET OUT OF THE FUCKING CAR AND PUT OUT YOUR CIGARETTE!"
"Uhh... fuck you?"
"YOURE UNDER ARREST FOR CONTEMPT OF COP -- I MEAN RESISTING ARREST"
"How can I resist arrest if I'm not under arrest?"
"YOU ARE NOW, WISEASS!"
Then they crack up upside the head, tackle you to the ground, use their knee to push your face in to the asphalt, and next thing you know you have a ridiculously high bond that won't be re-addressed until you get in front of a judge.
That's why I'm not a huge fan of cops, FWIW
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 01:11 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 23, 2015 01:12 PM (Ixbid)
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I agree. I occasionally jog on the mall. During the shutdown, the Park Rangers manning ther barricades acted like smug, nasty a-holes towards people asking questions about the closures. They were lovinghavving the power to tell people to keep out.
Posted by: Benji
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In our part of the country, they also had Rangers manning barricades at what are only parking lots. In some cases they were parking doe *private* concessionaires, who were open for business.
Posted by: Benji
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In our part of the country, they also had Rangers manning barricades at what are only parking lots. In some cases they were parking doe *private* concessionaires, who were open for business.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 23, 2015 01:12 PM (9mTYi)
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nood.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 23, 2015 01:13 PM (X88sA)
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Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 01:11 PM (AkOaV)
And in that particular case, she didn't even tell the cop to fuck himself (even though that would have been a perfectly cromulent response) she just asked why she should have to put her cigarette out when she's smoking in her own car. The cop immediately escalated the situation, and then they were off to the races.
And in that particular case, she didn't even tell the cop to fuck himself (even though that would have been a perfectly cromulent response) she just asked why she should have to put her cigarette out when she's smoking in her own car. The cop immediately escalated the situation, and then they were off to the races.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 23, 2015 01:14 PM (2Ojst)
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>>> The real crisis would come if Choom Boy ordered U.S. forces to protect
Iran from an Israeli attack?
"A) that would never happen"
There is apparently an annex
to the deal Kerry and Obama signed on to, wherein the USA explicitly
undertakes to militarily defend Iran against external actions aimed at
the nuclear facilities that the Iranians claim not to have.
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Mr. torquewrench is correct, that was one of the early ugly revelations that Iran had a clean sweep and that Munich II was a bigger win than Munich I was. It was deeply mortifying to read how much had been given away for so little in return. The tinfoil hat crowd that thinks Obummer is a closet Muzzie enabling global jihad has the right to point and laugh at all the rest of us.
>>> The real crisis would come if Choom Boy ordered U.S. forces to protect
Iran from an Israeli attack?
"A) that would never happen"
There is apparently an annex
to the deal Kerry and Obama signed on to, wherein the USA explicitly
undertakes to militarily defend Iran against external actions aimed at
the nuclear facilities that the Iranians claim not to have.
---------
Mr. torquewrench is correct, that was one of the early ugly revelations that Iran had a clean sweep and that Munich II was a bigger win than Munich I was. It was deeply mortifying to read how much had been given away for so little in return. The tinfoil hat crowd that thinks Obummer is a closet Muzzie enabling global jihad has the right to point and laugh at all the rest of us.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 23, 2015 01:15 PM (ry4ab)
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Oops - didn't recall that! I was thinking it was similar to the other DHS exercises they've done where they practice responding to a "domestic threat" which always seems to be a right-wing hate group.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 23, 2015 01:10 PM (NOIQH)
Yes. the DoD is practicing responding to some kind of terrorist threat / partial rebellion / dissolving national government type situation.
I read the (public) papers on it. It's not really clear.
But essentially special forces from the various branches of the military will be training what its like to take over a 1st world desert state like TX.
Not sure why, but that's the deal.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 23, 2015 01:10 PM (NOIQH)
Yes. the DoD is practicing responding to some kind of terrorist threat / partial rebellion / dissolving national government type situation.
I read the (public) papers on it. It's not really clear.
But essentially special forces from the various branches of the military will be training what its like to take over a 1st world desert state like TX.
Not sure why, but that's the deal.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 01:16 PM (AkOaV)
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Bob Cucker
Posted by: El Kabong at July 23, 2015 01:16 PM (75gXb)
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And in that particular case, she didn't even tell the cop to fuck himself (even though that would have been a perfectly cromulent response) she just asked why she should have to put her cigarette out when she's smoking in her own car. The cop immediately escalated the situation, and then they were off to the races.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 23, 2015 01:14 PM (2Ojst)
Right, she was more polite than I would have been.
The original track stop was initiated because the cop gunned it behind her in the left late, so she moved to the right late to let the cop pass (probably thinking he was on a call and she was yielding to an emergency vehicle). She didn't use her blinker.
Then the cop beat her up and she died.
Oh, and the cops investigated themselves and saw no problems with how it played out. So there's that.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 23, 2015 01:14 PM (2Ojst)
Right, she was more polite than I would have been.
The original track stop was initiated because the cop gunned it behind her in the left late, so she moved to the right late to let the cop pass (probably thinking he was on a call and she was yielding to an emergency vehicle). She didn't use her blinker.
Then the cop beat her up and she died.
Oh, and the cops investigated themselves and saw no problems with how it played out. So there's that.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 01:18 PM (AkOaV)
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>>That's why I'm not a huge fan of cops, FWIW
Yup. Cops seem to view everyone who isn't also a cop as a suspect, and treat them accordingly.
Yup. Cops seem to view everyone who isn't also a cop as a suspect, and treat them accordingly.
Posted by: V the K at July 23, 2015 01:18 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 01:18 PM (AkOaV)
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What does that say to you?
Well, Romney was my last choice because he was the father of obamacare and I knew he wouldn't campaign on it and he didn't. Trump has no chance, and has been a Hillary supporter on top of it.
Well, Romney was my last choice because he was the father of obamacare and I knew he wouldn't campaign on it and he didn't. Trump has no chance, and has been a Hillary supporter on top of it.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 23, 2015 01:23 PM (ODxAs)
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Posted by: The Devoceleraptor (sometimes JEM) at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (o+SC1)
When I was growing up both my parents worked so I would live with my grandparents on their farm. They did not speak English, and we're hard workers. After getting our farm work done daily, we would go work on neighboring farms picking whatever crops needed picking. Strawberries and cucumbers and pickles were called "stoop labor" cause you had to bend over. It paid more than grapes and raspberries. I doubt if any inner city kids would or could handle it. We got no where near &20.00 an hour, but we should have!
When I was growing up both my parents worked so I would live with my grandparents on their farm. They did not speak English, and we're hard workers. After getting our farm work done daily, we would go work on neighboring farms picking whatever crops needed picking. Strawberries and cucumbers and pickles were called "stoop labor" cause you had to bend over. It paid more than grapes and raspberries. I doubt if any inner city kids would or could handle it. We got no where near &20.00 an hour, but we should have!
Posted by: Chilling the most at July 23, 2015 01:24 PM (zW5rQ)
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Bundy Ranch was a stand off with the BLM -- bureau of land management.
And yes, the fed bureaucracy has a fairly large "standing army" at
this point, which falls outside of normal military procedures and
restrictions.
---------
This is a pertinent point which seemed relevant in light of my COMPFOR dig earlier. Obummer and his cronies will NOT call on the U.S. Military because they know damn well what the Military thinks of them, they don't trust the military one bit (see stupid ROE), and they fear the political fallout of what would happen if they ordered a "domestic terrorism" op and the ordered unit mutinied and sat on their (armed) hands. Or if a single soldier made a phone call and they struck hard at an empty house. (Yea verily, fear is ever close at hand to those people, even as they scheme. Vast right-wing conspiracy, etc.)
All the "SWAT teams" belonging to various agencies with lots of ex-military gear and tons of ammo were the backup plan in case COMPFOR didn't make the cut. However, those guys are NOT proper military, and a van-load of BLM or HUD stormtroopers isn't on the same level as Black Horse troopers pounding out the rear of a Striker that is currently turning your home into confetti with its Ma Deuce or grenade launcher.
Bundy Ranch was a stand off with the BLM -- bureau of land management.
And yes, the fed bureaucracy has a fairly large "standing army" at
this point, which falls outside of normal military procedures and
restrictions.
---------
This is a pertinent point which seemed relevant in light of my COMPFOR dig earlier.
Obummer and his cronies will NOT call on the U.S. Military because they know damn well what the Military thinks of them, they don't trust the military one bit (see stupid ROE), and they fear the political fallout of what would happen if they ordered a "domestic terrorism" op and the ordered unit mutinied and sat on their (armed) hands. Or if a single soldier made a phone call and they struck hard at an empty house. (Yea verily, fear is ever close at hand to those people, even as they scheme. Vast right-wing conspiracy, etc.) All the "SWAT teams" belonging to various agencies with lots of ex-military gear and tons of ammo were the backup plan in case COMPFOR didn't make the cut. However, those guys are NOT proper military, and a van-load of BLM or HUD stormtroopers isn't on the same level as Black Horse troopers pounding out the rear of a Striker that is currently turning your home into confetti with its Ma Deuce or grenade launcher.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 23, 2015 01:27 PM (ry4ab)
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But essentially special forces from the various branches of the military will be training what its like to take over a 1st world desert state like TX.
Not sure why, but that's the deal.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 01:16 PM (AkOaV)
Because they're planning to take over a 1st world desert state like TX?
But essentially special forces from the various branches of the military will be training what its like to take over a 1st world desert state like TX.
Not sure why, but that's the deal.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 01:16 PM (AkOaV)
Because they're planning to take over a 1st world desert state like TX?
Posted by: rickl at July 23, 2015 01:31 PM (zoehZ)
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As the great Allen West said in speech (yesterday, NYC, 10,000 or so Americans protested the Iran deal...although not much press /surprise)....Kerry is a sheep leading lions. Hence the fleece.
I have to run so can't link the seven minute speech by former Rep. West, but he does not mince words. Loved it. xoxo
I have to run so can't link the seven minute speech by former Rep. West, but he does not mince words. Loved it. xoxo
Posted by: ChristyBlinky,aging Redneck Queen supermodel, Walker/whoever 2016 at July 23, 2015 01:33 PM (2qF5m)
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"Wanna know who else got fleeced?
Prescient and everyone else here that said Trump would never stage a third party run."
Uh...he hasn't. So the media asks him hypotheticals and he responds (correctly so) that if the party does not treat him fairly, that he'd have to consider it...possibly. Which is a reasoned position as well as a shot across the bow to the GOPe to get it's sh!t together.
There are articles all over the place about the GOPe and their donors trying to ban the frontrunner from the debates. What the fvck is he suppose to do or think? He's got 25% of the base supporting him. He's following the rules and it's the GOPe who want to rig the game and cause trouble, not Trump.
You are like the wife that constantly accuses her husband of cheating. You'll keep pushing and pushing him until he does. Just so you can be right and destroy your relationship at the same time.
Prescient and everyone else here that said Trump would never stage a third party run."
Uh...he hasn't. So the media asks him hypotheticals and he responds (correctly so) that if the party does not treat him fairly, that he'd have to consider it...possibly. Which is a reasoned position as well as a shot across the bow to the GOPe to get it's sh!t together.
There are articles all over the place about the GOPe and their donors trying to ban the frontrunner from the debates. What the fvck is he suppose to do or think? He's got 25% of the base supporting him. He's following the rules and it's the GOPe who want to rig the game and cause trouble, not Trump.
You are like the wife that constantly accuses her husband of cheating. You'll keep pushing and pushing him until he does. Just so you can be right and destroy your relationship at the same time.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 23, 2015 01:45 PM (Ixbid)
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44 Somebody has got to pick the lettuce
We've no shortage of native-born unskilled able bodies. We're just not allowed to expect them to go to where the work is.
And with all the free stuff, why work....you won't see no intercity black in the fields for sure.
Posted by: Colin
Why should I work, get injured, and then get disability payments? Cut out the middleman, I can assure you that I am already completely incapable of a day's work.
We've no shortage of native-born unskilled able bodies. We're just not allowed to expect them to go to where the work is.
And with all the free stuff, why work....you won't see no intercity black in the fields for sure.
Posted by: Colin
Why should I work, get injured, and then get disability payments? Cut out the middleman, I can assure you that I am already completely incapable of a day's work.
Posted by: Native-Born, Unskilled Able-Body at July 23, 2015 01:56 PM (kfcYC)
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Is this part of the
He's An Unelectable Clusterfuck,
He's Too Much Of A Clusterfuck To Get Obamacare,
He's The Sort Of Clusterfuck Who Says He'll Get ObL, But Just Can't Because He's A Clusterfuck,
He's Too Much Of A Clusterfuck To Ever Win On Obamacare In Front Of The Supreme Court Version I, He's An Unre-electable Clusterfuck,
He's Such A Pathetic ClusterFuck That ObamaCare Will Never Get Off The Ground,
He's Too Much Of A Clusterfuck To Ever Win On Obamacare In Front Of The Supreme Court Version II, He's Such A Pathetic Clusterfuck They'll Never Get Any Deal With Iran,
program? Like a Civil War re-enactment?
He's An Unelectable Clusterfuck,
He's Too Much Of A Clusterfuck To Get Obamacare,
He's The Sort Of Clusterfuck Who Says He'll Get ObL, But Just Can't Because He's A Clusterfuck,
He's Too Much Of A Clusterfuck To Ever Win On Obamacare In Front Of The Supreme Court Version I, He's An Unre-electable Clusterfuck,
He's Such A Pathetic ClusterFuck That ObamaCare Will Never Get Off The Ground,
He's Too Much Of A Clusterfuck To Ever Win On Obamacare In Front Of The Supreme Court Version II, He's Such A Pathetic Clusterfuck They'll Never Get Any Deal With Iran,
program? Like a Civil War re-enactment?
Posted by: Halal 9000 at July 23, 2015 02:04 PM (lqeGC)
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What does this have to do with Trump ruining the GOP race? Go Jeb!
Posted by: Petunia at July 23, 2015 02:21 PM (h/dV9)
311
Actually the joke's on Iran. It's a tax.
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at July 23, 2015 02:23 PM (4KoRb)
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Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 12:48 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 23, 2015 12:50 PM (rCmeG)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (xSCb
If what you believe is true. They are ALL in on it, then Why do you vote? Why are you on this political blog? Why do you even care?
It's simply not true.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 23, 2015 12:48 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 23, 2015 12:50 PM (rCmeG)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 23, 2015 12:53 PM (xSCb
If what you believe is true. They are ALL in on it, then Why do you vote? Why are you on this political blog? Why do you even care?
It's simply not true.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 23, 2015 02:41 PM (qCMvj)
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It's not a treaty. Congress has already given Obama the powers to lift these sanctions. So the "battle" was lost years ago.
Don't blame Corker, congress wasn't even needed at all in this.
Don't blame Corker, congress wasn't even needed at all in this.
Posted by: Stone at July 23, 2015 02:42 PM (qRV1m)
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The easiest way to get the military to turn on us would be for them to cause an EMP attack and throw everything into chaos.
Posted by: Chilling the most at July 23, 2015 02:58 PM (zW5rQ)
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That TX cop interaction is a typical police / citizen interaction that I've witnessed or been a part of.
"why do I need to step out of the vehicle?"
"BECAUSE I SAY SO! GET OUT OF THE FUCKING CAR AND PUT OUT YOUR CIGARETTE!"
"Uhh... fuck you?"
"YOURE UNDER ARREST FOR CONTEMPT OF COP -- I MEAN RESISTING ARREST"
"How can I resist arrest if I'm not under arrest?"
"YOU ARE NOW, WISEASS!"
Then they crack up upside the head, tackle you to the ground, use
their knee to push your face in to the asphalt, and next thing you know
you have a ridiculously high bond that won't be re-addressed until you
get in front of a judge.
That's why I'm not a huge fan of cops, FWIW
Okay, Occifer, let me pull the door handle. Oops.....
http://tinyurl.com/le34up5
"why do I need to step out of the vehicle?"
"BECAUSE I SAY SO! GET OUT OF THE FUCKING CAR AND PUT OUT YOUR CIGARETTE!"
"Uhh... fuck you?"
"YOURE UNDER ARREST FOR CONTEMPT OF COP -- I MEAN RESISTING ARREST"
"How can I resist arrest if I'm not under arrest?"
"YOU ARE NOW, WISEASS!"
Then they crack up upside the head, tackle you to the ground, use
their knee to push your face in to the asphalt, and next thing you know
you have a ridiculously high bond that won't be re-addressed until you
get in front of a judge.
That's why I'm not a huge fan of cops, FWIW
Okay, Occifer, let me pull the door handle. Oops.....
http://tinyurl.com/le34up5
Posted by: thatreallycrazyjerseyguy at July 23, 2015 04:09 PM (TPimP)
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I'm starting to think that this piece of shit may not survive and the asshole's veto can be overruled/outvoted whatevs.
Posted by: eureka! at July 23, 2015 06:58 PM (g1MTt)
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