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Matt Lewis and The Top-Down, Corporate Hierarchy View of Conservatism
He's calling on Rush Limbaugh to "sack up" and tell his listeners that Trump is bad.
I myself am a little exasperated at Limbaugh's running defense of Trump -- no, he's not endorsing Trump (as Lewis points out). But he is always talking about how the Establishment and Media (and Establishment Media) is running Trump down, demanding others denounce him, and how Trump is refusing to be the "perpetrator" in the media You Said a Dirty War speechcrime narrative -- which elevates Trump into a folk hero, frankly. To be honest, all of these points are fair -- and Trump is a folk hero for telling the media (and the establishment) to blow him. I don't really like Trump, but I can't pretend I don't like that part of Trump. (Or the part where he agitates against illegal immigration -- and I'm starting to have my doubts about of the legal kind, too, to be honest with you. I'm tired of the Democrat Party importing a million new Democrats every year.) My problem with Lewis' piece is that he continues -- as so many corporate/establishment conservatives do -- to assume that the conservatives they don't like are just stupid Followers of Entertainment Wing demagogues, and if those demagogues could just be persuaded to change their tunes, the stupid Followers would finally Do the Right Thing (which continues to be Following, but this time they'd be Following the correct orders, these orders approved by Corporate/Establishment Central). Eh, I'm not going to populist demagogue this and claim that there's no Follower thing going on, and that every talk radio listener has a one-hundred percent Sovereign Mind which is totally Independent of Everything except his own Reason and the Sentiments of Morality imbued in him by Holy God. Still, this whole idea that the Out Group -- the Other -- is just a band of fucking idiots who get off on Hate and Talk Radio and do whatever the disembodied voices on the Talking Box tell him to do is part of the problem. There is no true, legitimate hierarchy in the conservative movement -- though all the little assclowns who have blundered into positions of authority or persuasion like insisting that there is. The conception here of followers following politico-corporate leadership is far too close, for my liking, to the Washington Post's notorious description of the conservative movement: "poor, uneducated, and easily led." I will continue to say this: If the Establishment wants to end the Trump Rebellion, then they should talk a lot less -- stop issuing orders, stop putting out plans as to How to Make the Crazies Understand Reason -- and start listening for once in their fucking lives. There is a reason people are supporting Trump, and there is a reason pro-GOP people like Levin and Limbaugh and Coulter refuse to take orders from Corporate/Establishment Central and kneecap him. If the Establishment wants to keep pretending, despite their manifold failures (both of the unplanned and deliberate Failure Theater varieties), that they have all the answers, they can keep whistling past the GOP's coming grave. A third party is coming unless there is an actual dialogue and actual new consensus reached between the wings. The Establishment has deployed its various insults -- "crazies," "hobbits," "wacko birds," etc., for years, to no discernible persuasive effect. In fact, it's resulted in a great deal of alienation and anger. Hey, I thought these Establishment Types were supposed to be the Super-Experts on How to Be Smart at Politics and Win All the Things? How come they can't go five minutes without stepping on their own dicks? At what point do they begin to even consider the possibility that 25% of the party (and rising!) might have something useful to contribute to the discussion?Comments
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Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs at July 22, 2015 02:15 PM (WDySP)
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I left the party, so I am loving the fracas
Posted by: tinfoilbaby at July 22, 2015 02:17 PM (Ii765)
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Top Down and Conservatism should never be in the same sentence.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 22, 2015 02:18 PM (z9220)
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There's about as much difference between the GOPe and the WaPo editorial board as there is between Tide and Cheer.
Posted by: Hobbits gotta hobbit at July 22, 2015 02:18 PM (Ft3+l)
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 22, 2015 02:18 PM (eREm+)
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trump is going to trump..... the gop can GOPhuckThemselves
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 22, 2015 02:19 PM (0O7c5)
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>>He's calling on Rush Limbaugh to "sack up" and tell his listeners that Trump is bad.
It's always Rush's fault.
The GOP doesn't bother to solicit his advice on how to win, but they are always ready to blame him when the party gets into some sort of mess.
Pathetic really.
It's always Rush's fault.
The GOP doesn't bother to solicit his advice on how to win, but they are always ready to blame him when the party gets into some sort of mess.
Pathetic really.
Posted by: Y-not at July 22, 2015 02:20 PM (qLl8l)
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You forgot "wacko birds", Ace.
Posted by: KGB at July 22, 2015 02:20 PM (FzvkV)
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To be honest, all of these points are fair -- and Trump is a folk hero for telling the media (and the establishment) to blow him. I don't really like Trump, but I can't pretend I don't like that part of Trump.
Willy Geist this morning said that the entire Trump campaign is a giant middle finger directed at the media and the Establishment.
That is a thing to love, if not the llasa apso quoiff which is raising it.
To be honest, all of these points are fair -- and Trump is a folk hero for telling the media (and the establishment) to blow him. I don't really like Trump, but I can't pretend I don't like that part of Trump.
Willy Geist this morning said that the entire Trump campaign is a giant middle finger directed at the media and the Establishment.
That is a thing to love, if not the llasa apso quoiff which is raising it.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 22, 2015 02:20 PM (JtwS4)
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What does Rush or any of us owe the GOP?
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 22, 2015 02:18 PM (eREm+)
not a damn thing......
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 22, 2015 02:18 PM (eREm+)
not a damn thing......
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 22, 2015 02:20 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: GOPe at July 22, 2015 02:20 PM (z9azR)
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You know what I don't like, being told what to do, think or say.Why should Rush be any different. He doesn't need to or should denounce anyone for anything unless he wants to.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 22, 2015 02:21 PM (Xa4vS)
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At what point do they begin to even consider the possibility that 25% of the party (and rising!) might have something useful to contribute to the discussion?
That 25% is the obstacle to the Estabitches goal of permanent 2nd party status and all the sinecure it provides.
That 25% is the obstacle to the Estabitches goal of permanent 2nd party status and all the sinecure it provides.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 22, 2015 02:22 PM (VY8H5)
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The MSM are not bashing Trump hoping that he will drop out. They want him. What they are doing is perpetuating the Red on Red battle with the hope that it will damage the GOP.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 22, 2015 02:22 PM (B7Uun)
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I myself am a little exasperated at Limbaugh's running defense of Trump
-- no, he's not endorsing Trump (as Lewis points out). But he is always
talking about how the Establishment and Media (and Establishment Media)
is running Trump down ...
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I haven't listened to Rush's show for quite a while. How long has he been defending Trump?
-- no, he's not endorsing Trump (as Lewis points out). But he is always
talking about how the Establishment and Media (and Establishment Media)
is running Trump down ...
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I haven't listened to Rush's show for quite a while. How long has he been defending Trump?
Posted by: mrp at July 22, 2015 02:22 PM (JBggj)
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In other words, this Matt Lewis person is ordering Rush to get Us, the conservatve base In Line.
Matt Lewis and the GOP dont like when the base strays off the reservation.
In other words, this Matt Lewis person is ordering Rush to get Us, the conservatve base In Line.
Matt Lewis and the GOP dont like when the base strays off the reservation.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 22, 2015 02:22 PM (eREm+)
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It would be nice if an opposition party could be created that cleans house of the scum and villainy in modern politics, while serving as a clarion call to the conscience of the nation on issues of freedom.
It could be called...the Republican Party.
It could be called...the Republican Party.
Posted by: Lincoln et al, my how times change at July 22, 2015 02:23 PM (hvf9s)
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I still maintain that Trump is neither the problem nor the solution. Just one of the symptoms.
LiB.
LiB.
Posted by: Grump928(c) pale penis person at July 22, 2015 02:23 PM (evdj2)
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Exactly. My belief is people aren't so much pro-Trump as they are anti-RNCe. The Rethugs have screwed conservatives too many times. They have made i plain that the RNC does not want conservatives in the Party. Well I have never been in the Party but I have voted for Republicans in every election since 1977, except for Graham.
No more vote for Republicans even though one of mine here is still good.
No more vote for Republicans even though one of mine here is still good.
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 22, 2015 02:23 PM (GpgJl)
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Children should be seen and not heard...that it?
Posted by: BignJames at July 22, 2015 02:23 PM (Eo86b)
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ace Johnson is right!!
Posted by: Count de Johnson at July 22, 2015 02:23 PM (JO9+V)
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Repetative but still brilliant:
339 The easiest way for cops to kill black people is to just back off and let them kill each other. See: Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, etc. Posted by: Roy at July 22, 2015 01:55 PM (VndSC)
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Oh, and give the abortion mills free rein to crunch out as many abortions as they please.
Posted by: Soona at July 22, 2015 02:03 PM (P25Hh)
339 The easiest way for cops to kill black people is to just back off and let them kill each other. See: Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, etc. Posted by: Roy at July 22, 2015 01:55 PM (VndSC)
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Oh, and give the abortion mills free rein to crunch out as many abortions as they please.
Posted by: Soona at July 22, 2015 02:03 PM (P25Hh)
Posted by: DM at July 22, 2015 02:23 PM (xyDAt)
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When do the hobbits get an apology from the GOPe?
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at July 22, 2015 02:23 PM (Nj2wY)
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We need Geraldo to moderate the debates
Wouldn't you just love a chair throwing brawl in both the dem and rep debates?
Wouldn't you just love a chair throwing brawl in both the dem and rep debates?
Posted by: Avi at July 22, 2015 02:24 PM (Gx3Fe)
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@15: I've listened to Rush every day for a week+. He's not really defending Trump himself, it's more of a defense of telling the media "FYNQ".
Posted by: Ian S. at July 22, 2015 02:24 PM (B/VB5)
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Rush says that the liberals have lots of listeners recording every word he says.
Looking and waiting for him to say something they can pounce on. I'm sure he not going to say anything about Trump for their benefit.
Looking and waiting for him to say something they can pounce on. I'm sure he not going to say anything about Trump for their benefit.
Posted by: Colin at July 22, 2015 02:24 PM (lyhiY)
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We've never even made a pretense of giving a crap what you stupid proles think.
Now shut up and get in line for Jeb!
Oh, and don't forget to hit "donate."
Now shut up and get in line for Jeb!
Oh, and don't forget to hit "donate."
Posted by: The GOPe at July 22, 2015 02:24 PM (laMCB)
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"At what point do they begin to even consider the possibility that 25% of the party (and rising!) might have something useful to contribute to the discussion?"
When the 25% can make recommendations about vintage champagne.
When the 25% can make recommendations about vintage champagne.
Posted by: Feh at July 22, 2015 02:24 PM (mbp27)
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But we are your betters!
Posted by: GOPe at July 22, 2015 02:25 PM (McmCo)
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 22, 2015 02:25 PM (eREm+)
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Y-Not! We have an Ette coming to SLC for the rodeo this weekend, she is looking to meet up with Utah members of the Horde. Do you know if you or any other Utahns are available? Her husband is performing.
Posted by: LizLem at July 22, 2015 02:25 PM (hvf9s)
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Funny; a lot of my lefty friends would tell me that I was just parroting Rush Limbaugh and Fox when I would disagree with them. They always had a hard time processing that I didn't listen to Rush (too many commercials) or watch Fox (no cable), and could still form opinions that disagreed with theirs out of my own 'experience guided by intuition'.
Just swell to see the Republican corporate types take that same trite, hackneyed tack. Swell, as in 'screw you in the eye with a Hilti tool' swell.
Just swell to see the Republican corporate types take that same trite, hackneyed tack. Swell, as in 'screw you in the eye with a Hilti tool' swell.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at July 22, 2015 02:26 PM (DLu2s)
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>>>>running Trump down, demanding others denounce him, and how Trump is refusing to be the "perpetrator" in the media You Said a Dirty War speechcrime narrative -- which elevates Trump into a folk hero, frankly.
I think Rush (and his audience) feel a need to support Trump because the media on both sides is treating Trump and his fans like they treat Rush Limbaugh and his audience.
Constantly trying to destroy him, waiting with bated breath for him to "screw up" and calling everyone who listens to rush (or follows trump in this situation) unintelligent easily led idiots.
Oh, by the way, ace -- this is exactly the same shit they pulled on the TEA Party.
So some of the defense of Trump is not so much a "we love trump!!!" situation, it's an attack on Trumps attackers. Because they'll never say anything negative about Obama, or about his voters, or about the Democrats, but the media (ON BOTH SIDES!!!) just LOVES to attack "the crazies" on the conservative side of the spectrum.
Frankly, I'm surprised you're not defending Trump more. He's finally standing up to the media and saying what we wish we would have said when the TEA Party was going strong (essentially, suck on these assholes), and he's showing that you don't have to follow the DC media / establishment script of apologizing and retracting and back pedaling constantly when THEY SAY you've committed a "gaffe."
Of course, when Biden or anyone on the D side commits a "gaffe" that's just Joe being joe, and of course he shouldn't be judged or be forced to grovel for forgiveness from his betters in the media.
But trump? conservatives? Rush Limbaugh? (dare i say it) bloggers like ace?
Yeah, no they need to apologize and realize they're lesser people and constantly guilty of thought- and speech- crimes.
I think Rush (and his audience) feel a need to support Trump because the media on both sides is treating Trump and his fans like they treat Rush Limbaugh and his audience.
Constantly trying to destroy him, waiting with bated breath for him to "screw up" and calling everyone who listens to rush (or follows trump in this situation) unintelligent easily led idiots.
Oh, by the way, ace -- this is exactly the same shit they pulled on the TEA Party.
So some of the defense of Trump is not so much a "we love trump!!!" situation, it's an attack on Trumps attackers. Because they'll never say anything negative about Obama, or about his voters, or about the Democrats, but the media (ON BOTH SIDES!!!) just LOVES to attack "the crazies" on the conservative side of the spectrum.
Frankly, I'm surprised you're not defending Trump more. He's finally standing up to the media and saying what we wish we would have said when the TEA Party was going strong (essentially, suck on these assholes), and he's showing that you don't have to follow the DC media / establishment script of apologizing and retracting and back pedaling constantly when THEY SAY you've committed a "gaffe."
Of course, when Biden or anyone on the D side commits a "gaffe" that's just Joe being joe, and of course he shouldn't be judged or be forced to grovel for forgiveness from his betters in the media.
But trump? conservatives? Rush Limbaugh? (dare i say it) bloggers like ace?
Yeah, no they need to apologize and realize they're lesser people and constantly guilty of thought- and speech- crimes.
Posted by: 10 foot pole at July 22, 2015 02:26 PM (AkOaV)
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The cant listen because the Uni-Party is just oNE party. There is not need, will, or benefit from listening.
Ace answered all of this a while ago when he trademarked Failure Theater....ie it is ALL Failure Theater all the time with the Uni-Party.
That '25%' that Ace references is, for all intents and purposes, the only vestige anywhere near a free, liberty-loving America that remains--despite the best efforts of the Uni-Party to silence ALL opposing voices.
Ace answered all of this a while ago when he trademarked Failure Theater....ie it is ALL Failure Theater all the time with the Uni-Party.
That '25%' that Ace references is, for all intents and purposes, the only vestige anywhere near a free, liberty-loving America that remains--despite the best efforts of the Uni-Party to silence ALL opposing voices.
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at July 22, 2015 02:26 PM (7GI9v)
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The Democrats always made the 'Vote for us, you inbred slackjawed yokels' pitch. Now the Republicans are too.
Posted by: Grump928(c) pale penis person at July 22, 2015 02:26 PM (evdj2)
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The conception here is far too close, for my liking, to the Washington Post's notorious description of the conservative movement: "poor, uneducated, and easily led."
Correction: The WaPo didn't say this about the conservative movement in general, but specifically about conservative Christians, i.e the 'religious right'.
Correction: The WaPo didn't say this about the conservative movement in general, but specifically about conservative Christians, i.e the 'religious right'.
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 22, 2015 02:26 PM (fvZPe)
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at July 22, 2015 02:26 PM (JOG+K)
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I think the point really is that Rush is right and Lewis is wrong -- the media, and the establishment who dearly want the approval of the media, want to force Republican candidates to eat each other. Too many have bought into the false narrative that it is the responsibility of every Republican candidate to police the speech of the others in order to prove their own "seriousness." It's a liberal's argument -- failing to denounce Trump is the same as supporting what he says.
Republican candidates should call bullshit on that argument. When asked to attack trump, attack Democrats and Obama instead. "Well, CNN Host, I don't give half a damn what Donald Trump just said, I want to talk about how the Obama Administration has given nuclear weapons to Iranian Mullahs. I want to talk about our porous border. I want to talk about .. " See? Leave it to the Lindsey Grahams to whine about the latest things to come out of Donald Trump's mouth.
Republican candidates should call bullshit on that argument. When asked to attack trump, attack Democrats and Obama instead. "Well, CNN Host, I don't give half a damn what Donald Trump just said, I want to talk about how the Obama Administration has given nuclear weapons to Iranian Mullahs. I want to talk about our porous border. I want to talk about .. " See? Leave it to the Lindsey Grahams to whine about the latest things to come out of Donald Trump's mouth.
Posted by: Brewdog at July 22, 2015 02:27 PM (ZgUuK)
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Hell.
All the bastards have to do is speak clearly and say the same thing every time.
Never apologize. Explain why they're better. Explain why the others are worse.
Mean what you say and say what you mean. Don't say something because some poll says that's the latest big deal or talking point.
Take a couple big points and dwell on them
Such as:
Build a wall and no amnesty until the border is sealed.
Reduce regulations/burden on small business
Reevaluate trade agreements that are one sided and take with no give.
No partial birth abortion
No taxpayers paying for abortion or for liberal propaganda.
And that's it. No more promises until after those are done.
Watch the cheering and watch Trump left behind in the dust.
Stop listening to guys who've never been elected and stop accepting money from people who want to own you.
All the bastards have to do is speak clearly and say the same thing every time.
Never apologize. Explain why they're better. Explain why the others are worse.
Mean what you say and say what you mean. Don't say something because some poll says that's the latest big deal or talking point.
Take a couple big points and dwell on them
Such as:
Build a wall and no amnesty until the border is sealed.
Reduce regulations/burden on small business
Reevaluate trade agreements that are one sided and take with no give.
No partial birth abortion
No taxpayers paying for abortion or for liberal propaganda.
And that's it. No more promises until after those are done.
Watch the cheering and watch Trump left behind in the dust.
Stop listening to guys who've never been elected and stop accepting money from people who want to own you.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 22, 2015 02:27 PM (x3GpS)
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If the GOPe would stop their tantrum, it would make the whole thing less entertaining, and Trump would lose support.
The fact that they keep shouting at us to obey is just making it more funny.
The fact that they keep shouting at us to obey is just making it more funny.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 02:27 PM (m9wUQ)
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What percent of the base really cares about what Rinsed Penis has to say?
Posted by: Avi at July 22, 2015 02:27 PM (Gx3Fe)
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The GOPe has wanted to take over the Democrat's government cash cow for a while, and now they want to also have the equivalent of the Democrat's intentionally ignorant but order-following activist class.
F*ck
You
GOPe
F*ck
You
GOPe
Posted by: 18-1 at July 22, 2015 02:27 PM (78TbK)
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Ace, from your post:
At what point do they begin to even consider the possibility that 25% of the party (and rising!) might have something useful to contribute to the discussion?
They'll consider it once they are back in the minority again. Then we'll get all the platitudes of being welcome on the reservation. That is, until they attain control again. And then we are ushered out the back door with a kick in the ass.
At what point do they begin to even consider the possibility that 25% of the party (and rising!) might have something useful to contribute to the discussion?
They'll consider it once they are back in the minority again. Then we'll get all the platitudes of being welcome on the reservation. That is, until they attain control again. And then we are ushered out the back door with a kick in the ass.
Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at July 22, 2015 02:28 PM (DlmoZ)
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am i supposed to know who matt lewis is?
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 22, 2015 02:28 PM (0O7c5)
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Donald Trump is a product of the Republican Party's Failures.
The Republican Party ran in 2010 and 2014 on opposition to the Obama Agenda. They promised to repeal Obamacare. They promised to fight Executive Amnesty. They promised to oppose his lawless power grabs and assertions of Executive Authority.
What have they done since winning the House and Senate?
- They have fully funded Obamacare, and even made contingency plans to save it if the Supreme Court struck it down.
- They fully funded Obama's Executive Amnesty.
- They have given Obama a blank check to run up the debt.
- They approved Obama's pick for attorney general who promised to continue the lawless policies of her predecessor.
- They passed legislation -- over the objections of the conservative base -- granting Obama limitless authority to negotiate trade agreements.
- They passed legislation making it easier for Obama's Iran Deal to go into effect.
If the Republicans hadn't effed up so thoroughly, there would be no Trump phenemonon. (Continued)
The Republican Party ran in 2010 and 2014 on opposition to the Obama Agenda. They promised to repeal Obamacare. They promised to fight Executive Amnesty. They promised to oppose his lawless power grabs and assertions of Executive Authority.
What have they done since winning the House and Senate?
- They have fully funded Obamacare, and even made contingency plans to save it if the Supreme Court struck it down.
- They fully funded Obama's Executive Amnesty.
- They have given Obama a blank check to run up the debt.
- They approved Obama's pick for attorney general who promised to continue the lawless policies of her predecessor.
- They passed legislation -- over the objections of the conservative base -- granting Obama limitless authority to negotiate trade agreements.
- They passed legislation making it easier for Obama's Iran Deal to go into effect.
If the Republicans hadn't effed up so thoroughly, there would be no Trump phenemonon. (Continued)
Posted by: V the K at July 22, 2015 02:28 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: Beltway bubble at July 22, 2015 02:28 PM (agXt1)
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People are sick of the GOPe's cowardly craven behavior. I highly doubt Trump is a conservative, but his brash fearlessness is in sharp contrast to your typical establishment person's abject panic at the slightest thought of opposition by the lib medi before it even happens.
People have tolerated the GOPe's fecklessness for far too long, and the GOPe has no one to blame for Trump's rise but themselves.
People have tolerated the GOPe's fecklessness for far too long, and the GOPe has no one to blame for Trump's rise but themselves.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at July 22, 2015 02:28 PM (Mt8T4)
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Rush is doing what a few others here have mentioned. He's enjoying Trump telling the media and other GOPer's to suck it...HARD.
Posted by: kahall at July 22, 2015 02:28 PM (tWsq4)
Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at July 22, 2015 02:28 PM (DlmoZ)
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"If youre not condemning Trump, youre endorsing him.
Right?"
I don't condemn him so much. I don't think he's serious but if his running around and shooting his mouth off is making the Establishment uneasy.......moar please.
Right?"
I don't condemn him so much. I don't think he's serious but if his running around and shooting his mouth off is making the Establishment uneasy.......moar please.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 22, 2015 02:29 PM (LA7Cm)
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There's that old cartoon of the giant fat pig surrounded by food and stuffing his fat face saying something to the effect of, "Hey, what are you complaining about?" to the starving, rail thin man with nothing to eat.
That's the GOPe to the base. Well, Fvck off Pigs. We're done with you.
And as a diligent voter, one who consistently showed up and even voted for the lesser of two evils every time because an R was better than the D, not one of these F'ers are getting my vote. They should start looking for their lobbyist jobs now. They should be worried.
Go Trump!
That's the GOPe to the base. Well, Fvck off Pigs. We're done with you.
And as a diligent voter, one who consistently showed up and even voted for the lesser of two evils every time because an R was better than the D, not one of these F'ers are getting my vote. They should start looking for their lobbyist jobs now. They should be worried.
Go Trump!
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 22, 2015 02:29 PM (lc+1R)
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Forgotten 80s (semi) classic added
Posted by: ace at July 22, 2015 02:29 PM (dciA+)
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>>> Of course, when Biden or anyone on the D side commits a "gaffe" that's just Joe being joe, and of course he shouldn't be judged or be forced to grovel for forgiveness from his betters in the media.
"It's just Trump being Trump" actually does sum things up well. I think in the future we could just shrug out shoulders and say eh, Trump being Trump. Works for me.
"It's just Trump being Trump" actually does sum things up well. I think in the future we could just shrug out shoulders and say eh, Trump being Trump. Works for me.
Posted by: LizLem at July 22, 2015 02:29 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 02:29 PM (C278+)
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I listen to Rush, and I think he is as disgusted with the GOPe as we are. He likes the way Trump is shaking things up, and says without Trump, none of the issues Trump is raising would be addressed. I totally agree with him. I just hope Trump sticks it out. I have a feeling nobody in the GOPe has called him directly or made threats cause they realize Trump would announce it and make them look foolish. They are probably sweating bullets!
Posted by: Chilling the most at July 22, 2015 02:29 PM (UIY8B)
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If the GOP is truly savvy...
(raucous laughter)
But if...
They would be propping Trump up behind the scenes. He's the shitshow the media needs. This is less oppo research time that CNN and ABC and all of the "center" media have to devote to Walker.
Trump intentionally crashes and burns before the Convention, it's the buzz of the world, he gets the SJWs to picket his house, and Walker gets to the point without taking as much fire.
Trump can be our Tinian Town - the media's progressive knights remain focused on what appears the obvious adversary while missing the main effort.
(raucous laughter)
But if...
They would be propping Trump up behind the scenes. He's the shitshow the media needs. This is less oppo research time that CNN and ABC and all of the "center" media have to devote to Walker.
Trump intentionally crashes and burns before the Convention, it's the buzz of the world, he gets the SJWs to picket his house, and Walker gets to the point without taking as much fire.
Trump can be our Tinian Town - the media's progressive knights remain focused on what appears the obvious adversary while missing the main effort.
Posted by: 0302 at July 22, 2015 02:29 PM (N6eLE)
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I myself am a little exasperated at Limbaugh's running defense of Trump
-- no, he's not endorsing Trump (as Lewis points out). But he is always
talking about how the Establishment and Media (and Establishment Media)
is running Trump down ...
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I haven't listened to Rush's show for quite a while. How long has he been defending Trump?
Posted by: mrp at July 22, 2015 02:22 PM (JBggj)
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Rush started off by being entertained by Trumps announcement and from there Rush has pointed out how much fight Trump has and all the rest of it. How Trump brought up an issue - regardless of how artfully it was done - and the media talks about it etc.Rush really hasn't defended Trump but more applauded that he's got the balls to stick it to the media and others and pointed out that the GOP's timidness has opened up themselves up for this.
Today Rush basically summed it up by saying that Trump is doing in a very general sense what conservative voters thought their elected reps would/should do: fight and don't back down at media pushback etc.
I myself am a little exasperated at Limbaugh's running defense of Trump
-- no, he's not endorsing Trump (as Lewis points out). But he is always
talking about how the Establishment and Media (and Establishment Media)
is running Trump down ...
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I haven't listened to Rush's show for quite a while. How long has he been defending Trump?
Posted by: mrp at July 22, 2015 02:22 PM (JBggj)
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Rush started off by being entertained by Trumps announcement and from there Rush has pointed out how much fight Trump has and all the rest of it. How Trump brought up an issue - regardless of how artfully it was done - and the media talks about it etc.Rush really hasn't defended Trump but more applauded that he's got the balls to stick it to the media and others and pointed out that the GOP's timidness has opened up themselves up for this.
Today Rush basically summed it up by saying that Trump is doing in a very general sense what conservative voters thought their elected reps would/should do: fight and don't back down at media pushback etc.
Posted by: gwelf at July 22, 2015 02:29 PM (+7Usq)
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I forgot to mention the GOPe's complicity.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at July 22, 2015 02:29 PM (Mt8T4)
59
41 What percent of the base really cares about what Rinsed Penis has to say?
I would say probably 8 out of 10 Republicans don't know who he is.
I would say probably 8 out of 10 Republicans don't know who he is.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 02:30 PM (m9wUQ)
60
16
In other words, this Matt Lewis person is ordering Rush to get Us, the conservatve base In Line.
Matt Lewis and the GOP dont like when the base strays off the reservation.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 22, 2015 02:22 PM (eREm+)
The thing they really don't get is if Rush Limbaugh endorsed Bernie Sanders tomorrow, it would change none of my opinions.
I listen to Rush occasionally when I'm on the road. The commercials drive me crazy so I usually don't listen to talk radio. But when I do, it's because I mostly agree with him and like his take on subjects.
It's not because I'm some mind dead idiot waiting for my marching orders from King Rush.
And it's really offensive that the "establishment" thinks I'm that gullible, stupid, and easily led.
In other words, this Matt Lewis person is ordering Rush to get Us, the conservatve base In Line.
Matt Lewis and the GOP dont like when the base strays off the reservation.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 22, 2015 02:22 PM (eREm+)
The thing they really don't get is if Rush Limbaugh endorsed Bernie Sanders tomorrow, it would change none of my opinions.
I listen to Rush occasionally when I'm on the road. The commercials drive me crazy so I usually don't listen to talk radio. But when I do, it's because I mostly agree with him and like his take on subjects.
It's not because I'm some mind dead idiot waiting for my marching orders from King Rush.
And it's really offensive that the "establishment" thinks I'm that gullible, stupid, and easily led.
Posted by: 10 foot pole at July 22, 2015 02:30 PM (AkOaV)
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There are two parties: The Washington DC Party, and The Other Party. Trump is rocking the boat and he's getting the plebs all worked up. That's bad for the DC Party because the Spice must flow.
Posted by: mrp at July 22, 2015 02:30 PM (JBggj)
62
In every group there are some people who assume that they are meant to give orders and that others are born to obey. Go into any voluntary association and you will find that particular phenomenon playing out. and you will also find the frustration of those "leaders" when the "led" tell them to get bent.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 22, 2015 02:30 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 02:30 PM (AkOaV)
64
39
well said, totally agree
but it means they'll have to accept that Trump is a political leader
for the GOPe, that may be too hard to swallow
I'm only interested in how Walker responds
well said, totally agree
but it means they'll have to accept that Trump is a political leader
for the GOPe, that may be too hard to swallow
I'm only interested in how Walker responds
Posted by: Feh at July 22, 2015 02:30 PM (mbp27)
65
I want a new coalition.
Give me a political party that wants to shut down ALL immigration for say 10 years and I'll compromise on the dumb social issues like abortion and gay marriage that are going nowhere and are just about politicians flapping their gums.
Give me a political party that wants to shut down ALL immigration for say 10 years and I'll compromise on the dumb social issues like abortion and gay marriage that are going nowhere and are just about politicians flapping their gums.
Posted by: Cadillac at July 22, 2015 02:30 PM (gESh0)
66
Posted by: V the K at July 22, 2015 02:28 PM (O7MnT)
i'm almost completely off the perry wagon because of his comments regarding trump.....what are these people afraid of? the truth? kill the message because of the messenger? how many times have we seen this......
i'm almost completely off the perry wagon because of his comments regarding trump.....what are these people afraid of? the truth? kill the message because of the messenger? how many times have we seen this......
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 22, 2015 02:30 PM (0O7c5)
67
>>> If the Establishment wants to end the Trump Rebellion, then they should talk a lot less -- stop issuing orders, stop putting out plans as to How to Make the Crazies Understand Reason -- and start listening for once in their fucking lives.
The viability of the Trump candidacy is efficacious upon the leadership of McConnel and Boehner.
After cycle after cycle of heeding pragmatism, and being criticized for every instance of idealism, finally the congress is in control of Republicans and they proceed to turn away from every political priority of the base.
Trump is the manifestation of LIB. If we are going to be ignored and marginalized when our party is in power while the country descends into flames unabated, why shouldn't we nominate Trump?
If our political objectives are hopeless because they have no practical representation even within our own party, why shouldn't we nominate Trump?
Trump scares them because the casualties of his candidacy are THE ESTABLISHMENTS POLITICAL OBJECTIVES because ours were never on the table to lose.
The establishment takes great glee in sweeping our priorities off the table. Why shouldn't we return the favor?
The viability of the Trump candidacy is efficacious upon the leadership of McConnel and Boehner.
After cycle after cycle of heeding pragmatism, and being criticized for every instance of idealism, finally the congress is in control of Republicans and they proceed to turn away from every political priority of the base.
Trump is the manifestation of LIB. If we are going to be ignored and marginalized when our party is in power while the country descends into flames unabated, why shouldn't we nominate Trump?
If our political objectives are hopeless because they have no practical representation even within our own party, why shouldn't we nominate Trump?
Trump scares them because the casualties of his candidacy are THE ESTABLISHMENTS POLITICAL OBJECTIVES because ours were never on the table to lose.
The establishment takes great glee in sweeping our priorities off the table. Why shouldn't we return the favor?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at July 22, 2015 02:31 PM (0q2P7)
68
The thing is, Matt Lewis is an idiot.
Posted by: rrpjr at July 22, 2015 02:31 PM (s/yC1)
69
.... hobbits???
But you left out sister humping, knuckle draging, mouth breathing, Bible thumping, toothless, inbred, Neaderhtal tea bagging bitter clingers.
.... hobbits???
But you left out sister humping, knuckle draging, mouth breathing, Bible thumping, toothless, inbred, Neaderhtal tea bagging bitter clingers.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 22, 2015 02:31 PM (8XRCm)
70
>>How come they can't go five minutes without stepping on their own dicks?
It isn't because their equipment is so big.
It isn't because their equipment is so big.
Posted by: Aviator at July 22, 2015 02:31 PM (c7vUv)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 22, 2015 02:31 PM (LA7Cm)
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At what point do they begin to even consider the possibility that 25% of the party (and rising!) might have something useful to contribute to the discussion?
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As long as they have the power and the money, they won't. They want the power and the money. It's very simple.
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As long as they have the power and the money, they won't. They want the power and the money. It's very simple.
Posted by: Soona at July 22, 2015 02:31 PM (P25Hh)
73
Remember when we told black people that all TEA partiers were racist and to vote for Thad 'Improper with Animals' Cochran?
Posted by: The GOPe at July 22, 2015 02:31 PM (m9wUQ)
74
Handle, Pole. What's the difference?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 22, 2015 02:31 PM (x3GpS)
75
warblgarbl!
Posted by: Gabby Johnson at July 22, 2015 02:32 PM (JO9+V)
76
They are trying to do what the so successfully did to the TEA party movement.
The Media and GOPe chose TEA party leaders, and chose spokespeople...
And pretty much chose idiots... so when on camera they sounded dumb.
It's something the Oprah did very well... she would have a very well spoken person as the advocate for her viewpoint, and then choose an idiot to espouse the other viewpoint.
Now the media and GOPe sees a movement developing... one based on ANGER at both the media and Washington... but they can't attack it because it has no spokesman (beyond Trump, who seems immune to their normal attacks).... so they are looking to personalize the movement (right out of Alinsky)... Freeze it... so they can then tear it down...
Just as they did the TEA Party movement...
The Media and GOPe chose TEA party leaders, and chose spokespeople...
And pretty much chose idiots... so when on camera they sounded dumb.
It's something the Oprah did very well... she would have a very well spoken person as the advocate for her viewpoint, and then choose an idiot to espouse the other viewpoint.
Now the media and GOPe sees a movement developing... one based on ANGER at both the media and Washington... but they can't attack it because it has no spokesman (beyond Trump, who seems immune to their normal attacks).... so they are looking to personalize the movement (right out of Alinsky)... Freeze it... so they can then tear it down...
Just as they did the TEA Party movement...
Posted by: BB Wolf at July 22, 2015 02:32 PM (qh617)
77
V the K nails it
Posted by: Feh at July 22, 2015 02:32 PM (mbp27)
78
I don't even know what "conservative" means anymore. It's become this amorphous term into which a whole boatload of hopes, principles and personal predilections are dumped.
What I do know id a lot of people who declare themselves "true conservatives" spend a lot of time whittling down who can be in the club, and also playing the "Mean Girl" role when someone goes against the group think.
Over time that's made more enemies than friends.
When someone self identifies as a "conservative" right up front, it's almost like a declaration. But it sure seems a lot of people don't know what that means. They also don't know that by the tribal leaders standards they're not in the club.
What I do know id a lot of people who declare themselves "true conservatives" spend a lot of time whittling down who can be in the club, and also playing the "Mean Girl" role when someone goes against the group think.
Over time that's made more enemies than friends.
When someone self identifies as a "conservative" right up front, it's almost like a declaration. But it sure seems a lot of people don't know what that means. They also don't know that by the tribal leaders standards they're not in the club.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 22, 2015 02:32 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: ace at July 22, 2015 02:33 PM (dciA+)
80
"But he is always
talking about how the Establishment and Media (and Establishment Media)
is running Trump down ..."
And Trump is enjoying every second of it. Being the center of attention - any attention - is water and air to him.
talking about how the Establishment and Media (and Establishment Media)
is running Trump down ..."
And Trump is enjoying every second of it. Being the center of attention - any attention - is water and air to him.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 22, 2015 02:33 PM (hLRSq)
81
But you left out sister humping, knuckle draging, mouth breathing, Bible thumping, toothless, inbred, Neaderhtal tea bagging bitter clingers.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 22, 2015 02:31 PM (8XRCm
Can't forget camo wearin', Gun totin' and banjo strummin'.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 22, 2015 02:31 PM (8XRCm
Can't forget camo wearin', Gun totin' and banjo strummin'.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 02:33 PM (AkOaV)
82
***"How come they can't go five minutes without stepping on their own dicks?"***
The problem is when they start to tread on other members.
The problem is when they start to tread on other members.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 22, 2015 02:33 PM (xSCb6)
83
Now, as a result of the failures (betrayals) listed above, the Republican Party has lost all credibility. Whenever a Republican politician says he opposes an Obama policy, no one believes him. They all believe they are no different than the Democrats.
On illegal immigration, for example, every other Republican candidate says exactly the same thing. "First, we need to secure the border. Then, we need to figure out a way to deal with the millions who are here already." Not only is it vague and meaningless, it is exactly how Barack Obama or any other Democrat would describe "Comprehensive Immigration Reform." There is not only no rhetorical difference in each party's illegal immigration position, there is no practical, operational difference either.
This creates a vacuum where Trump was easily able to step in. Instead of vague platitudes, he offers what sound like concrete actions. "Build a wall and deport the rapists." It's crude, but it sounds like a real plan, not an empty promise that no one believes any more.
The Republican Party's fails created a vacuum that Trump is only too happy to fill.
On illegal immigration, for example, every other Republican candidate says exactly the same thing. "First, we need to secure the border. Then, we need to figure out a way to deal with the millions who are here already." Not only is it vague and meaningless, it is exactly how Barack Obama or any other Democrat would describe "Comprehensive Immigration Reform." There is not only no rhetorical difference in each party's illegal immigration position, there is no practical, operational difference either.
This creates a vacuum where Trump was easily able to step in. Instead of vague platitudes, he offers what sound like concrete actions. "Build a wall and deport the rapists." It's crude, but it sounds like a real plan, not an empty promise that no one believes any more.
The Republican Party's fails created a vacuum that Trump is only too happy to fill.
Posted by: V the K at July 22, 2015 02:33 PM (O7MnT)
84
I am a conservative. I am not the GOPe's base. I will not vote for another republican, ever again, unless they bribe me like a democratic special interest group. Close the border or repeal O doesn't care, impeach Holder, abolish the IRS, whatever... give me something, or fuck off. And do it, don't talk about it. I am not accepting promises anymore. These turds have no more credibility with me.
Posted by: simon jester at July 22, 2015 02:33 PM (tFyfM)
85
GOP, a party of fools.
Posted by: Killerdog at July 22, 2015 02:33 PM (D1Y8c)
86
@39 The problem is that there are at least 3-4 Republican candidates who are saying almost exactly those things and they are being drowned out by the focus on the clown with the bad hair.
Several of those candidates have actually done those things, not just talked about them, too. But all the Trump focus is designed to over-shadow actually-accomplished conservative candidates.
The fact that a vocal minority of the conservative movement is elevating this douche-bag opportunist is very frustrating for people who actually want to see a conservative Republican get elected president next year.
It's almost as if this vocal minority is just as dumb and self-defeating as the "establishment" says they are.
Several of those candidates have actually done those things, not just talked about them, too. But all the Trump focus is designed to over-shadow actually-accomplished conservative candidates.
The fact that a vocal minority of the conservative movement is elevating this douche-bag opportunist is very frustrating for people who actually want to see a conservative Republican get elected president next year.
It's almost as if this vocal minority is just as dumb and self-defeating as the "establishment" says they are.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:34 PM (ljZD2)
Posted by: dananjcon at July 22, 2015 02:34 PM (NpXoL)
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I will continue to say this: If the Establishment wants to end the Trump Rebellion, then they should talk a lot less -- stop issuing orders, stop putting out plans as to How to Make the Crazies Understand Reason -- and start listening for once in their fucking lives.
I hope ace is Tweeting this.
I hope ace is Tweeting this.
Posted by: some random meathead at July 22, 2015 02:34 PM (cNtqS)
89
I like to say I don't agree with Rush. He agrees with me.
No I am not a listener, but I usually like what I hear the few times I have listened.
I like to say I don't agree with Rush. He agrees with me.
No I am not a listener, but I usually like what I hear the few times I have listened.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 22, 2015 02:35 PM (jtStN)
90
Frankly, why do we care so much what Rush Limbaugh says?
He has been around as a national broadcaster since the Bush I administration back in the early '90s -- nearly 25 years ago.
- His audience is completely ossified -- meaning he neither loses nor gains supporters any more. He doesn't convince anyone of anything -- he merely preachers to the converted -- specifically, his particular audience.
- 0% of his audience are liberal or moderate. Zero. So nothing he says can or will affect "undecideds."
- 100% of his listeners are going to vote for the GOP nominee anyway, except for he grumpy stay-at-homes.
- Trump has basically no chance of actually winning the nomination. He's just a vanity candidate. I don't even think he's seriously running. he just is addicted to fame, addicted to headlines. He'll prove his point that he COULD win if he wanted, but then drop out before reality sets in proving otherwise.
QED -- Rush Limbaugh's opinons about Trump are irrelevant.
He has been around as a national broadcaster since the Bush I administration back in the early '90s -- nearly 25 years ago.
- His audience is completely ossified -- meaning he neither loses nor gains supporters any more. He doesn't convince anyone of anything -- he merely preachers to the converted -- specifically, his particular audience.
- 0% of his audience are liberal or moderate. Zero. So nothing he says can or will affect "undecideds."
- 100% of his listeners are going to vote for the GOP nominee anyway, except for he grumpy stay-at-homes.
- Trump has basically no chance of actually winning the nomination. He's just a vanity candidate. I don't even think he's seriously running. he just is addicted to fame, addicted to headlines. He'll prove his point that he COULD win if he wanted, but then drop out before reality sets in proving otherwise.
QED -- Rush Limbaugh's opinons about Trump are irrelevant.
Posted by: zombie at July 22, 2015 02:35 PM (jBuUi)
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When someone self identifies as a "conservative" right up front, it's almost like a declaration. But it sure seems a lot of people don't know what that means. They also don't know that by the tribal leaders standards they're not in the club.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 22, 2015 02:32 PM (GGCsk)
Well conservative has evolved to basically mean "not liberal" and, as you say, means different things to different people.
I don't really have a label, I suppose.
I'm more on the "libertarian" side of things, but the majority of Libertarians piss me off and have kind of ruined that label for me.
And most "libertarians" I talk to now are kind of LIVs who are mostly but not totally on bored with the liberals and don't even know what "libertarian" means, they just thought it sounded edgy, smart and different.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 22, 2015 02:32 PM (GGCsk)
Well conservative has evolved to basically mean "not liberal" and, as you say, means different things to different people.
I don't really have a label, I suppose.
I'm more on the "libertarian" side of things, but the majority of Libertarians piss me off and have kind of ruined that label for me.
And most "libertarians" I talk to now are kind of LIVs who are mostly but not totally on bored with the liberals and don't even know what "libertarian" means, they just thought it sounded edgy, smart and different.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 02:35 PM (AkOaV)
92
I have not listened to Rush for over 20 years. Schedule changed and it doesn't work out. I left the Republican Party on January 2, 2013 and now consider myself TEA Party.
We had visiting family come out from back East, and my sister in law very carefully approached the subject of Donald Trump. I told her [and my brother in law] that I was not necessarily saying that he was someone who I would follow ideologically. But that you are known by the quality of your enemies, and he was pi**ing off all the right people. And that I was enjoying the hell out of it.
That seemed to to please them immensely, and I think they agreed.
We had visiting family come out from back East, and my sister in law very carefully approached the subject of Donald Trump. I told her [and my brother in law] that I was not necessarily saying that he was someone who I would follow ideologically. But that you are known by the quality of your enemies, and he was pi**ing off all the right people. And that I was enjoying the hell out of it.
That seemed to to please them immensely, and I think they agreed.
Posted by: Subotai Bahadur at July 22, 2015 02:35 PM (ksixO)
93
Ace: "If the Establishment wants to end the Trump Rebellion, then they should talk a lot less -- stop issuing orders, stop putting out plans as to How to Make the Crazies Understand Reason -- and start listening for once in their fucking lives."
They will not - repeat - will not listen. They'll act like they're listening at best so that the "easily led" will feel like they have a voice, but they are not listening. Their purposes conflict with our purposes for them being in office. They are independent contractors for their own advancement. They are not in service of the country or their constituents. Oh, if they happen to help some people along the way, fine; but political pursuits are for personal power, prestige, money, and ego.
Once upon a time, Federal service was noble. It is not that anymore. It's a business, an industry, a profession, a mountain of gold to be mined. They are not there to listen to Mr(s). Average Voter. They are there to listen to the biggest payoff. Empowering Average Voter is a threat to their livelihood.
They will not - repeat - will not listen. They'll act like they're listening at best so that the "easily led" will feel like they have a voice, but they are not listening. Their purposes conflict with our purposes for them being in office. They are independent contractors for their own advancement. They are not in service of the country or their constituents. Oh, if they happen to help some people along the way, fine; but political pursuits are for personal power, prestige, money, and ego.
Once upon a time, Federal service was noble. It is not that anymore. It's a business, an industry, a profession, a mountain of gold to be mined. They are not there to listen to Mr(s). Average Voter. They are there to listen to the biggest payoff. Empowering Average Voter is a threat to their livelihood.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 22, 2015 02:36 PM (1CroS)
Posted by: zombie at July 22, 2015 02:36 PM (jBuUi)
95
Rush is invariably on the mark. It took me a while to get this.
Posted by: rrpjr at July 22, 2015 02:37 PM (s/yC1)
96
I will continue to say this: If the Establishment wants to end the Trump Rebellion, then they should talk a lot less -- stop issuing orders, stop putting out plans as to How to Make the Crazies Understand Reason -- and start listening for once in their fucking lives.
The problem is, the Establishment thinks they're winning. "We have both houses of Congress, 31 governors, and all those state legislatures. Eff the whackobirds, we know what we're doing."
The problem is, the Establishment thinks they're winning. "We have both houses of Congress, 31 governors, and all those state legislatures. Eff the whackobirds, we know what we're doing."
Posted by: V the K at July 22, 2015 02:37 PM (O7MnT)
97
ace, rush addressed this very issue on his show today. He is kind of frustrated as being seen as defending Trump simply because he will not denounce Trump. he is reporting on what Trump is doing, minus any opinion on the matter. How this is seen as a defending Trump, I'll never know.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 22, 2015 02:37 PM (1eYr7)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 22, 2015 02:37 PM (1hEM6)
99
I just wish Ace would take down that idiot (insert blog clown here).
He's just letting that no good idiot (insert blog clown here) make the rest of us look bad.
If Ace doesn't start putting (insert blog clown here) in their place why who knows what will happen.
Matt Lewis is a tool and has no right or authority to be ordering around anyone let along a radio personage that Matt isn't qualified to hold their jock.
He's just letting that no good idiot (insert blog clown here) make the rest of us look bad.
If Ace doesn't start putting (insert blog clown here) in their place why who knows what will happen.
Matt Lewis is a tool and has no right or authority to be ordering around anyone let along a radio personage that Matt isn't qualified to hold their jock.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 22, 2015 02:37 PM (x3GpS)
100
Good.
Many of us are tired of doling out money over the years, and then being lied to, our country getting worse, not better.
It seems such a simple thing.
We're also realizing (although some of us have always known this) that most people in DC aren't any smarter than you or I. Some are just plain idiots, the flowers of nepotism.
It's a shame not many decent people won't run for office. But we all know why.
Good.
Many of us are tired of doling out money over the years, and then being lied to, our country getting worse, not better.
It seems such a simple thing.
We're also realizing (although some of us have always known this) that most people in DC aren't any smarter than you or I. Some are just plain idiots, the flowers of nepotism.
It's a shame not many decent people won't run for office. But we all know why.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 22, 2015 02:37 PM (qCMvj)
101
The fact that a vocal minority of the conservative movement is elevating this douche-bag opportunist is very frustrating for people who actually want to see a conservative Republican get elected president next year.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:34 PM (ljZD2)
Who is the "conservative Republican" in the race?
Cruz? I don't know. I don't really trust him.
Rand? Yeah, I like him. But I don't see his path to victory, plus his absolutely nutso father is still hanging around saying dumb things (did you hear his recent one about christian zionists? oh, it was a zinger!) which makes me think neither Ron nor Rand are serious about Rand winning.
And... I mean that's it.
Walker? Eh. A thinner Chris Christie.
Rubio? A younger, shorter Jeb Bush.
So that's why I don't mind Trump. He's making a boring race interesting.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:34 PM (ljZD2)
Who is the "conservative Republican" in the race?
Cruz? I don't know. I don't really trust him.
Rand? Yeah, I like him. But I don't see his path to victory, plus his absolutely nutso father is still hanging around saying dumb things (did you hear his recent one about christian zionists? oh, it was a zinger!) which makes me think neither Ron nor Rand are serious about Rand winning.
And... I mean that's it.
Walker? Eh. A thinner Chris Christie.
Rubio? A younger, shorter Jeb Bush.
So that's why I don't mind Trump. He's making a boring race interesting.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 02:38 PM (AkOaV)
102
If Trump has become a folk hero, then he has become John Brown.
Posted by: Apostic at July 22, 2015 02:38 PM (iE5OI)
103
Hahaha...wait until the rank and file tell the GOP to blow them come the primaries....
Hahahah...can't wait.
Trump...more power to him.
Hahahah...can't wait.
Trump...more power to him.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 22, 2015 02:38 PM (JG47A)
104
I told her [and my brother in law] that I was not necessarily saying that he was someone who I would follow ideologically. But that you are known by the quality of your enemies, and he was pi**ing off all the right people. And that I was enjoying the hell out of it.
My brother and I had essentially the same conversation a few days ago.
My brother and I had essentially the same conversation a few days ago.
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 22, 2015 02:39 PM (fvZPe)
105
It's a shame not many decent people won't run for office. But we all know why.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 22, 2015 02:37 PM (qCMvj)
Exactly.
My (liberal) father in law asked me one time why I wouldn't run for office since I'm "so in to politics".
I said "because I love your daughter and would never put her, you, and my family through that."
And he got it.
I think that's how the vast majority of people feel.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 22, 2015 02:37 PM (qCMvj)
Exactly.
My (liberal) father in law asked me one time why I wouldn't run for office since I'm "so in to politics".
I said "because I love your daughter and would never put her, you, and my family through that."
And he got it.
I think that's how the vast majority of people feel.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 02:39 PM (AkOaV)
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@96 Perhaps the thought ought to occur to you that if a political party has its largest majority of elected officials at every level in 85 years, they might actually be winning?
Most people define winning in a binary electoral structure as, you know, having more people in office than the other side.
Most people define winning in a binary electoral structure as, you know, having more people in office than the other side.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:39 PM (ljZD2)
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"Build a wall and deport the rapists." It's crude, but it sounds like a
real plan, not an empty promise that no one believes any more.
7 Simple words. Sure beats all the verbal masturbation we get from candidates. 7 simple unambiguous words. Nice and easy to remember - especially on election day.
real plan, not an empty promise that no one believes any more.
7 Simple words. Sure beats all the verbal masturbation we get from candidates. 7 simple unambiguous words. Nice and easy to remember - especially on election day.
Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at July 22, 2015 02:39 PM (DlmoZ)
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>>The problem is, the Establishment thinks they're winning. "We have
both houses of Congress, 31 governors, and all those state legislatures.
Eff the whackobirds, we know what we're doing." <<
Let's see if they believe that after they lose the Senate in the next election.
Congress is unpopular enough with the people they need to vote for them, it's going to be hard for them to retain a majority there. Especially with all the seats that will be available.
Thus far, they've given a big FU to the people who showed up and voted them in. They have not done a thing towards fulfilling any of their promises.
In fact they've done the opposite.
both houses of Congress, 31 governors, and all those state legislatures.
Eff the whackobirds, we know what we're doing." <<
Let's see if they believe that after they lose the Senate in the next election.
Congress is unpopular enough with the people they need to vote for them, it's going to be hard for them to retain a majority there. Especially with all the seats that will be available.
Thus far, they've given a big FU to the people who showed up and voted them in. They have not done a thing towards fulfilling any of their promises.
In fact they've done the opposite.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 22, 2015 02:40 PM (GGCsk)
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***"He's not really defending Trump himself, it's more of a defense of telling the media "FYNQ"."***
It's like I came to realize yesterday - the longer this kerfluffle continues, the more I see that the media is to blame first and foremost.
The second, of course being the willingness of the GOP to start bayoneting their partner in the foxhole.
It's like I came to realize yesterday - the longer this kerfluffle continues, the more I see that the media is to blame first and foremost.
The second, of course being the willingness of the GOP to start bayoneting their partner in the foxhole.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 22, 2015 02:40 PM (xSCb6)
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test
Posted by: Uncle Rick at July 22, 2015 02:40 PM (ZbB1q)
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"If the Establishment wants to end the Trump Rebellion, then they should talk a lot less -- stop issuing orders, stop putting out plans as to How to Make the Crazies Understand Reason -- and start listening for once in their fucking lives."
They ARE listening. They don't want to stop the gravy train to themselves. Why can't people understand that?
There is only the DC party, the Uniparty. They only fight about how to divide the booty up between themselves and their donors. That's the only difference.
They ARE listening. They don't want to stop the gravy train to themselves. Why can't people understand that?
There is only the DC party, the Uniparty. They only fight about how to divide the booty up between themselves and their donors. That's the only difference.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 22, 2015 02:40 PM (lc+1R)
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Matt Lewis? Never heard of him.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 22, 2015 02:40 PM (mx5oN)
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The biggest problem for Conservatives is that the Republican consultant class is constantly telling Republican politicians that they can't be perceived as "scary". And, expressing Conservative positions can be twisted by the media into clownhouse scary storylines.
So, your left with a few options:
1. Go Squish, tap out and take the CoC cash; just don't piss off the NRA.
2. Embrace the label and attack the media, ala Gingrich and Trump.
3. Wrap the conservative ideas in palatable peanut butter for the media. When asked about education policy - "Like the Dutch system" ... essentially vouchers, or on abortion "the French model seems like a good compromise point" ... ban on abortion after 20 weeks, or on corporate taxes "they should mirror the EU" ... a massive cut, etc. Give the media no where to go, except a long winded PBS documentary on Dutch social policy.
So, your left with a few options:
1. Go Squish, tap out and take the CoC cash; just don't piss off the NRA.
2. Embrace the label and attack the media, ala Gingrich and Trump.
3. Wrap the conservative ideas in palatable peanut butter for the media. When asked about education policy - "Like the Dutch system" ... essentially vouchers, or on abortion "the French model seems like a good compromise point" ... ban on abortion after 20 weeks, or on corporate taxes "they should mirror the EU" ... a massive cut, etc. Give the media no where to go, except a long winded PBS documentary on Dutch social policy.
Posted by: Jean at July 22, 2015 02:40 PM (ztOda)
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I have never heard Rush Limbaugh's voice!
Posted by: zombie at July 22, 2015 02:36 PM (jBuUi)
Is he even on the air in the SF Bay Area radio market?
Posted by: zombie at July 22, 2015 02:36 PM (jBuUi)
Is he even on the air in the SF Bay Area radio market?
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 22, 2015 02:40 PM (fvZPe)
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>>Walker? Eh. A thinner Chris Christie.
I don't get this appraisal of Walker. He has actually been in the lion's den and getting conservative policies passed. In WI which is not exactly a bastion of conservatism.
What does a person have to do to be considered a conservative?
I don't get this appraisal of Walker. He has actually been in the lion's den and getting conservative policies passed. In WI which is not exactly a bastion of conservatism.
What does a person have to do to be considered a conservative?
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 02:40 PM (OGm46)
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The Primary Goal for ALL Patriots is to remove dimocrap scum from power.
Period.
Take the assclown Trump out too soon and he starts a 3rd Party movement and derails the election -- Like Ross The Insane did....... Remember??
That's who gave us EVERYTHING in politics we have now. THAT was one of the most cataclysmic events of the 20th Century -- Brought to you by liberturdian scum because Perfect became the enemy of Good.
I HATE liberturdians. Hate them
At least dimocrap scum don't pretend to be on our side
Period.
Take the assclown Trump out too soon and he starts a 3rd Party movement and derails the election -- Like Ross The Insane did....... Remember??
That's who gave us EVERYTHING in politics we have now. THAT was one of the most cataclysmic events of the 20th Century -- Brought to you by liberturdian scum because Perfect became the enemy of Good.
I HATE liberturdians. Hate them
At least dimocrap scum don't pretend to be on our side
Posted by: Uncle Rick at July 22, 2015 02:40 PM (ZbB1q)
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One thing the GOPe and the Nutroots have in common is that both are oblivious to reality, facts, and truth.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 22, 2015 02:41 PM (7ngif)
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They are super smart about politics. It just happens to be the politics of giving the Democrats what they want while appearing to be the opposition party.
Posted by: Ken in NH at July 22, 2015 02:41 PM (MqjGP)
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It's too bad we hadn't started an actual 3rd Party years ago. It takes a while for people to accept something like this, and their would have to be a lot of "martyrs" passing through it before one gets elected.
One could get lucky, I suppose.
It's too bad we hadn't started an actual 3rd Party years ago. It takes a while for people to accept something like this, and their would have to be a lot of "martyrs" passing through it before one gets elected.
One could get lucky, I suppose.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 22, 2015 02:41 PM (qCMvj)
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"Walker? Eh. A thinner Chris Christie."
If this is the level of discernment amongst the Trump fans, then I'm starting to see why they buy his bullshit.
If this is the level of discernment amongst the Trump fans, then I'm starting to see why they buy his bullshit.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:41 PM (ljZD2)
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Subotai, I enjoy your comments at Belmont Club a lot. Glad to hear you're in our foxhole.
The Dems I talk to will never vote for Trump. As a capitalist pig, he's a central symbol of their hatred. But they love that he's pissing off establishment types and being candid and real. So he really divides them, males especially. If it's Hillary vs Trump, the male Dems will stay home. Female Dems are all Hillary all the time.
The Dems I talk to will never vote for Trump. As a capitalist pig, he's a central symbol of their hatred. But they love that he's pissing off establishment types and being candid and real. So he really divides them, males especially. If it's Hillary vs Trump, the male Dems will stay home. Female Dems are all Hillary all the time.
Posted by: Feh at July 22, 2015 02:42 PM (mbp27)
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There is only the DC party, the Uniparty. They only fight about how to divide the booty up between themselves and their donors. That's the only difference.
Bingo.
PlannedAbbatoir donates $700K every election cycle to Democrats and gets $500M in taxpayer subsidies. That's a way better ROI than you get in any legitimate business.
Bingo.
PlannedAbbatoir donates $700K every election cycle to Democrats and gets $500M in taxpayer subsidies. That's a way better ROI than you get in any legitimate business.
Posted by: V the K at July 22, 2015 02:42 PM (O7MnT)
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How come no one is focused on what Trump has said he would do with the 15 million illegals already here? The MSM is playing some people like a Strativaris.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 22, 2015 02:42 PM (B7Uun)
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Seems to me the way to get the GOPe to address Trump's (our) issues is to keep supporting him. This is yuge.
Posted by: Valiant at July 22, 2015 02:43 PM (2bqlb)
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106 @96 Perhaps the thought ought to occur to you that if a political party has its largest majority of elected officials at every level in 85 years, they might actually be winning?
Most people define winning in a binary electoral structure as, you know, having more people in office than the other side.
And some people define winning as having their policies enacted. You know, like Gay marriage. Or getting flags removed at a whim. Or jailing bakers and photographers for being christians. Or getting every debt increase they want. Or getting deals with Iran. Or getting odious 'free trade' agreements passed.
But hey, winning is really about how many seats Team Elephant holds.
Most people define winning in a binary electoral structure as, you know, having more people in office than the other side.
And some people define winning as having their policies enacted. You know, like Gay marriage. Or getting flags removed at a whim. Or jailing bakers and photographers for being christians. Or getting every debt increase they want. Or getting deals with Iran. Or getting odious 'free trade' agreements passed.
But hey, winning is really about how many seats Team Elephant holds.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 02:43 PM (m9wUQ)
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Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:41 PM (ljZD2)
Hubris is a dangerous addiction.
We say a lot of stuff here just for the lulz.
Take everything with a big grain of NaCl.
Hubris is a dangerous addiction.
We say a lot of stuff here just for the lulz.
Take everything with a big grain of NaCl.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 22, 2015 02:43 PM (x3GpS)
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"Once I put this baby in the ground," said Bland's mother, "I'm ready...this means war."
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Wondeful....
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Wondeful....
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 22, 2015 02:43 PM (iQIUe)
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114 I have never heard Rush Limbaugh's voice!
Posted by: zombie at July 22, 2015 02:36 PM (jBuUi)
Is he even on the air in the SF Bay Area radio market?
Posted by: OregonMuse
Not that I'm aware of. Which is one main reason why I've never heard his voice.
I practically never listen to talk radio anyway. Only when I get advance notice that I'll be mentioned on Michael Savage do I tune in to him (though it's been a few years since that's happened). Aside from Savage, I don't think I've ever heard ANY conservative talkshow hosts.
I don't have cable for the TV, so I don't get Fox or any of that, so I don't hear them when they might be guests on TV either. And I don't watch broadcast news.
Result: Rush is unknown to me!
Posted by: zombie at July 22, 2015 02:36 PM (jBuUi)
Is he even on the air in the SF Bay Area radio market?
Posted by: OregonMuse
Not that I'm aware of. Which is one main reason why I've never heard his voice.
I practically never listen to talk radio anyway. Only when I get advance notice that I'll be mentioned on Michael Savage do I tune in to him (though it's been a few years since that's happened). Aside from Savage, I don't think I've ever heard ANY conservative talkshow hosts.
I don't have cable for the TV, so I don't get Fox or any of that, so I don't hear them when they might be guests on TV either. And I don't watch broadcast news.
Result: Rush is unknown to me!
Posted by: zombie at July 22, 2015 02:43 PM (jBuUi)
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Am pretty convinced that it will take an absolutely crushing loss in a potentially winnable Presidential election like the coming one (one where the conservative base of 25% or so simply does not vote for the establishment R candidate) before they really pay much attention to what the base may have to say.
The D's doubled down on Obamacare knowing that an "aye" vote would mean the loss of political careers for many. I am sensing the R base may now be about ready to stand up and (not) be counted.
The D's doubled down on Obamacare knowing that an "aye" vote would mean the loss of political careers for many. I am sensing the R base may now be about ready to stand up and (not) be counted.
Posted by: RM at July 22, 2015 02:43 PM (fRppw)
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>>I don't get this appraisal of Walker.
Yes, it is not a fair comparison. Walker isn't perfect, but at least he never gave money to Bill and Hillary.
Yes, it is not a fair comparison. Walker isn't perfect, but at least he never gave money to Bill and Hillary.
Posted by: V the K at July 22, 2015 02:44 PM (O7MnT)
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Trump is gonna be a Juggernaut.
We can win with Trump and get a shitpile of LuLz in the process.
How cant some of you see this?
We can win with Trump and get a shitpile of LuLz in the process.
How cant some of you see this?
Posted by: Casual Indifference at July 22, 2015 02:44 PM (kf36l)
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Posted by: Uncle Rick at July 22, 2015 02:40 PM (ZbB1q)
Yes.... that would be Ross the Insane... the guy who single handedly made BOTH parties Balance the Budget for about 10 minutes.... long enough to get rid of him.
I really don't care WHICH party is in power, as long as they are doing the right thing... for a change...
Its not about which Team is in power... its what they DO with it.... and I don't see a damn bit of difference right now between the GOPe led Congress, and the one Dem one...
Yes.... that would be Ross the Insane... the guy who single handedly made BOTH parties Balance the Budget for about 10 minutes.... long enough to get rid of him.
I really don't care WHICH party is in power, as long as they are doing the right thing... for a change...
Its not about which Team is in power... its what they DO with it.... and I don't see a damn bit of difference right now between the GOPe led Congress, and the one Dem one...
Posted by: BB Wolf at July 22, 2015 02:44 PM (qh617)
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Trump figured it the fuck out and the rest of "Conservatives" running except for Cruz...maybe and the rest of the ROVE fuck weasels are pounding their meat cuz they don't know what to do next. Maybe this is the shake up we neaded, maybe Trump will step aside and provide a road map for some one with a half a brain to something.
Posted by: dananjcon at July 22, 2015 02:44 PM (NpXoL)
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Let's see if they believe that after they lose the Senate in the next election.
In NH, we have Kelly Ayotte (re: GOPe sellout.) up for reelection. I would dare say her seat is lost.
If she isn't primaried out of the race, I'm afraid I'm going to vote "Present" on that one.
In NH, we have Kelly Ayotte (re: GOPe sellout.) up for reelection. I would dare say her seat is lost.
If she isn't primaried out of the race, I'm afraid I'm going to vote "Present" on that one.
Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at July 22, 2015 02:44 PM (DlmoZ)
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The problem is, the Establishment thinks they're winning.
That would explain Miss Lindsey's comments this morning about the 'supportive' phone call telling him to 'keep it up'.
GOP/e : Self-delusion FTW !
The problem is, the Establishment thinks they're winning.
That would explain Miss Lindsey's comments this morning about the 'supportive' phone call telling him to 'keep it up'.
GOP/e : Self-delusion FTW !
Posted by: some random meathead at July 22, 2015 02:44 PM (cNtqS)
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There are many organizations taking government money who are nothing more than money laundering schemes for the Democrat party.
It's time to end all that.
It's time to end all that.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 22, 2015 02:45 PM (x3GpS)
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Is he even on the air in the SF Bay Area radio market?
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 22, 2015 02:40 PM (fvZP
he's been on there since the beginning
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 22, 2015 02:40 PM (fvZP
he's been on there since the beginning
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 22, 2015 02:45 PM (0O7c5)
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Sorry. I've never considered that Rush had to "sack up". He says what he thinks and makes a good living doing it. He's not beholden to anyone.
As for Trump, not sure I like him but I do love the part of him that tells people to fukc off. I understand that completely. As for his politics and so on, I'm pretty much on the fence. He doesn't do much for me but no one else in the field is even speaking up. At all. Why the fukc doesn't someone else grab their junk, do a side shift, and start telling the media to eat shit? It obviously resonates, and usually these aping orangutans immediately copy what is working for someone else.
These igit-ramuses are beyond incompetent. It's embarrassing and more than a little disheartening.
As for Trump, not sure I like him but I do love the part of him that tells people to fukc off. I understand that completely. As for his politics and so on, I'm pretty much on the fence. He doesn't do much for me but no one else in the field is even speaking up. At all. Why the fukc doesn't someone else grab their junk, do a side shift, and start telling the media to eat shit? It obviously resonates, and usually these aping orangutans immediately copy what is working for someone else.
These igit-ramuses are beyond incompetent. It's embarrassing and more than a little disheartening.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 22, 2015 02:45 PM (nqiq9)
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Cruzinator, is there any update on the bullet holes at your office?
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 22, 2015 02:45 PM (2cS/G)
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I don't get this appraisal of Walker. He has actually been in the lion's den and getting conservative policies passed. In WI which is not exactly a bastion of conservatism.
That's his positives. His negatives are that his good friend Paul Ryan had equally stellar credentials prior to 2012 and then folded like a cheap suit.
That's his positives. His negatives are that his good friend Paul Ryan had equally stellar credentials prior to 2012 and then folded like a cheap suit.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 22, 2015 02:45 PM (B/VB5)
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I think that's how the vast majority of people feel.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 02:39 PM (AkOaV)
Not until they cap campaign contributions, really cap them, can anyone even afford to run.
Money takes the prize.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 02:39 PM (AkOaV)
Not until they cap campaign contributions, really cap them, can anyone even afford to run.
Money takes the prize.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 22, 2015 02:45 PM (qCMvj)
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I'd like to know one Republican that Trump has gone after that didn't go after Trump first??
Seriously guys, wtf.
So Trump is punching back and HOLY SHIT, THAT'S JUST SO CRAZY.
Hey Lindsey Graham, if you don't want to get fucked with, stop calling YOUR FELLOW PRIMARY CONTENDER a "jackass".
Give me a fucking break.
Seriously guys, wtf.
So Trump is punching back and HOLY SHIT, THAT'S JUST SO CRAZY.
Hey Lindsey Graham, if you don't want to get fucked with, stop calling YOUR FELLOW PRIMARY CONTENDER a "jackass".
Give me a fucking break.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 22, 2015 02:45 PM (q5APL)
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41 What percent of the base really cares about what Rinsed Penis has to say?
Posted by: Avi at July 22, 2015 02:27 PM (Gx3Fe)
Rice Pubis speaks for the establishment. His job is to shill for the party, full stop. Any actual conservative statements that emit from his piehole are purely tactical.
Posted by: Avi at July 22, 2015 02:27 PM (Gx3Fe)
Rice Pubis speaks for the establishment. His job is to shill for the party, full stop. Any actual conservative statements that emit from his piehole are purely tactical.
Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at July 22, 2015 02:45 PM (RD7QR)
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41 What percent of the base really cares about what Rinsed Penis has to say?
Posted by: Avi at July 22, 2015 02:27 PM (Gx3Fe)
Also, "Rinsed Penis" made me chortle like an idiot.
Posted by: Avi at July 22, 2015 02:27 PM (Gx3Fe)
Also, "Rinsed Penis" made me chortle like an idiot.
Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at July 22, 2015 02:46 PM (RD7QR)
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The thing about Trump, when he talks you know that what he's saying hasn't been parsed through halve a dozen focus groups and reviewed by an army of consultants. Every other candidate when asked a question will give you a 15 minute answer that doesn't tell you anything about the position asked about in the question. Political double speak.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 02:46 PM (C278+)
Posted by: some random meathead at July 22, 2015 02:46 PM (cNtqS)
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>>And some people define winning as having their policies enacted.
Yes, I'm always ready to concede the argument that a Republican victory is meaningful to any defender of the Establishment who can cite a single conservative piece of major legislation passed and enacted since George W Bush took office.
I have yet to have to concede the argument.
Yes, I'm always ready to concede the argument that a Republican victory is meaningful to any defender of the Establishment who can cite a single conservative piece of major legislation passed and enacted since George W Bush took office.
I have yet to have to concede the argument.
Posted by: V the K at July 22, 2015 02:46 PM (O7MnT)
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Is he even on the air in the SF Bay Area radio market?
Yes he is. Also DC, Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, Hollywood, and lots of other places you might not expect. (And he gets good ratings in those markets, too).
Yes he is. Also DC, Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, Hollywood, and lots of other places you might not expect. (And he gets good ratings in those markets, too).
Posted by: Ian S. at July 22, 2015 02:47 PM (B/VB5)
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106 @96 Perhaps the thought ought to occur to you that if a political party has its largest majority of elected officials at every level in 85 years, they might actually be winning?
Most people define winning in a binary electoral structure as, you know, having more people in office than the other side.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:39 PM (ljZD2)
well, you would think.
but the R's have proven that "winning" looks much different to them than it does to us.
Most people define winning in a binary electoral structure as, you know, having more people in office than the other side.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:39 PM (ljZD2)
well, you would think.
but the R's have proven that "winning" looks much different to them than it does to us.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 02:47 PM (AkOaV)
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@125 Your policy preferences ARE being enacted. At the state level when both houses of the legislature and the governor's mansion are held by Republicans.
Why is it so hard to see that replicating that at the national level is the answer you seek?
I think some people believed that Obama and the Dems would just give up after the 2014 mid-terms. Since they obviously didn't, it must be the Republicans' fault.
Why is it so hard to see that replicating that at the national level is the answer you seek?
I think some people believed that Obama and the Dems would just give up after the 2014 mid-terms. Since they obviously didn't, it must be the Republicans' fault.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:47 PM (ljZD2)
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Rush just played a clip of a woman testifying before Congress about how her son was tortured and set on fire by a Dreamer(TM). And she thanked Trump for bringing the issue to the forefront in "two minutes" when she and others like her had been trying to get people's attention for "four years".
How much courage does it have to take to forcefully say we do not want any illegal alien criminals in our country, that they should be deported? This shows how scared of their own shadows the Republican establishment are, and they should be ashamed that it took Trump to raise this issue and get people's attention.
How much courage does it have to take to forcefully say we do not want any illegal alien criminals in our country, that they should be deported? This shows how scared of their own shadows the Republican establishment are, and they should be ashamed that it took Trump to raise this issue and get people's attention.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at July 22, 2015 02:47 PM (Mt8T4)
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He's Trump! He's Trump! He's Trump!
He might be dead.
He's Trump! He's Trump! He's Trump!
Is he inbred?
Trump lingered last in line for brains
And the ones he got were kind of rotten and insanse
He never feels too dumb becaucse
His mama always told him stupid is as stupid does!
He's Trump! He's Trump! He's Trump!
He's in my head.
He's Trump! He's Trump! He's Trump!
Can we get a new thread?
He might be dead.
He's Trump! He's Trump! He's Trump!
Is he inbred?
Trump lingered last in line for brains
And the ones he got were kind of rotten and insanse
He never feels too dumb becaucse
His mama always told him stupid is as stupid does!
He's Trump! He's Trump! He's Trump!
He's in my head.
He's Trump! He's Trump! He's Trump!
Can we get a new thread?
Posted by: Marl Karx at July 22, 2015 02:47 PM (E5UB0)
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The core issue with the establishment never listening is that DC revolves around big government and pork. And on top of that increasingly the power brokers and corporate/financial entities funding the establishment have a globalist outlook. It's the same for both parties but the democrats have the luxury of actually making big government the core of its platform.
I know DC lobbyists that claim to their core to be conservative, and in fact likely believe that, but still lament the Tea Party knocking Luger out of office. Not because a D got in in the end, but because: "You could work with Luger" direct quote. They also live on very nice 7 figure horse farms in Va. The establishment been very very good to them.
All the establishment wants is a Euro style parliamentary system (with limited personal accountability) run by the executive where the big election fight is over who can better manage Leviathan. Anything else is increasingly seen as an existential threat. Conservatives or progressives not falling for the lesser of two evils model is a threat. The constitution is a threat. For them, winning an election but losing the system is a disaster to be avoided.
I know DC lobbyists that claim to their core to be conservative, and in fact likely believe that, but still lament the Tea Party knocking Luger out of office. Not because a D got in in the end, but because: "You could work with Luger" direct quote. They also live on very nice 7 figure horse farms in Va. The establishment been very very good to them.
All the establishment wants is a Euro style parliamentary system (with limited personal accountability) run by the executive where the big election fight is over who can better manage Leviathan. Anything else is increasingly seen as an existential threat. Conservatives or progressives not falling for the lesser of two evils model is a threat. The constitution is a threat. For them, winning an election but losing the system is a disaster to be avoided.
Posted by: Keith at July 22, 2015 02:47 PM (aGv81)
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 22, 2015 02:47 PM (nqiq9)
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Bullshit.
Posted by: some random meathead at July 22, 2015 02:46 PM (cNtqS)
What part are you calling "bullshit" on? The thinner part?
Gastric bypass has been good to Christie, but he's still a very large man.
Posted by: some random meathead at July 22, 2015 02:46 PM (cNtqS)
What part are you calling "bullshit" on? The thinner part?
Gastric bypass has been good to Christie, but he's still a very large man.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 02:48 PM (AkOaV)
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Trump is the bastard child of the GOPe
Posted by: The Legitimate Hat at July 22, 2015 02:48 PM (7YlUk)
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>>>The fact that a vocal minority of the conservative movement is elevating this douche-bag opportunist is very frustrating for people who actually want to see a conservative Republican get elected president next year.
You know what's going on right now. People look at the big hunk of Cash that the big money establishment types put on Jeb. We know from experience what that means. I still remember Georgette Mosbacher's comment last year, before the first primary debate, in October, their mind was made up and the man was Romney.
The establishment support for Jeb being what it is already, is an all in by them not to have a truce with the base on the candidate. And we can expect the same systematic destruction of each of our favorite candidates until only Jeb remains...Again...
They've shown us that we can't win with base antipathy for the establishment pick alone. They've done everything in their power to show us we cant win without them. They've done everything in their power to marginalize and ignore our political priorities. They've made us feel completely disconnected from any real chance of seeing our political views actually become policy.
Why not undermine them?
You know what's going on right now. People look at the big hunk of Cash that the big money establishment types put on Jeb. We know from experience what that means. I still remember Georgette Mosbacher's comment last year, before the first primary debate, in October, their mind was made up and the man was Romney.
The establishment support for Jeb being what it is already, is an all in by them not to have a truce with the base on the candidate. And we can expect the same systematic destruction of each of our favorite candidates until only Jeb remains...Again...
They've shown us that we can't win with base antipathy for the establishment pick alone. They've done everything in their power to show us we cant win without them. They've done everything in their power to marginalize and ignore our political priorities. They've made us feel completely disconnected from any real chance of seeing our political views actually become policy.
Why not undermine them?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at July 22, 2015 02:48 PM (0q2P7)
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Posted by: prescient11 at July 22, 2015 02:45 PM (q5APL)
Yeah.... strangely, the whole POW thing started with Trump defending the people that McCain called Crazy.... us poor deluded souls who see Amnesty as the destruction of Law and order.
Yeah.... strangely, the whole POW thing started with Trump defending the people that McCain called Crazy.... us poor deluded souls who see Amnesty as the destruction of Law and order.
Posted by: BB Wolf at July 22, 2015 02:48 PM (qh617)
Posted by: rrpjr at July 22, 2015 02:48 PM (s/yC1)
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***"Most people define winning in a binary electoral structure as, you know, having more people in office than the other side.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:39 PM (ljZD2)"***
Point = missed.
Though it's always fun to see how aggressively you choose to miss the point.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:39 PM (ljZD2)"***
Point = missed.
Though it's always fun to see how aggressively you choose to miss the point.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 22, 2015 02:49 PM (xSCb6)
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"His negatives are that his good friend Paul Ryan had equally stellar credentials prior to 2012 and then folded like a cheap suit."
A friend of mine had dinner next to Ryan's table in a Washington place. They were having a great time drinking bottle after bottle of prime Echezeaux.
I think I know what happened to Ryan.
A friend of mine had dinner next to Ryan's table in a Washington place. They were having a great time drinking bottle after bottle of prime Echezeaux.
I think I know what happened to Ryan.
Posted by: Feh at July 22, 2015 02:49 PM (mbp27)
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That's his positives. His negatives are that his good friend Paul Ryan had equally stellar credentials prior to 2012 and then folded like a cheap suit.
OK, but I don't see how Ryan's failures reflect on Walker.
OK, but I don't see how Ryan's failures reflect on Walker.
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 22, 2015 02:49 PM (fvZPe)
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The left has been trying to destroy Rush for decades. If they could figure out how to get Rush to adopt the GOPe line, that would do it.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 22, 2015 02:49 PM (49+Jq)
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Posted by: Uncle Rick at July 22, 2015 02:40 PM (ZbB1q)
You are a fucking idiot. Washington, Jefferson, and the rest of the founders were essentially libertarians.
And if you think that the Democrats are the main problem in Washington, you are a galaxy-sized moron.
Who is the bigger problem--the enemy outside the wire or inside your tent?
You are a fucking idiot. Washington, Jefferson, and the rest of the founders were essentially libertarians.
And if you think that the Democrats are the main problem in Washington, you are a galaxy-sized moron.
Who is the bigger problem--the enemy outside the wire or inside your tent?
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at July 22, 2015 02:49 PM (laMCB)
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Maybe we should go all Social Justice on their ass? According to the Ivy Leaguers Social Justice and Community Organizing is good stuff. I think it would be good for GOPe to fear us more, not less.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 22, 2015 02:49 PM (oDCMR)
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I think some people believed that Obama and the Dems would just give up after the 2014 mid-terms. Since they obviously didn't, it must be the Republicans' fault.
Since the 2014 mid-terms, has the GOP Congress been laying the groundwork and making the case for a Conservative Reform of Leviathan under a future Republican president, or have they been voting to enact Obama's agenda piece-by-piece?
Since the 2014 mid-terms, has the GOP Congress been laying the groundwork and making the case for a Conservative Reform of Leviathan under a future Republican president, or have they been voting to enact Obama's agenda piece-by-piece?
Posted by: V the K at July 22, 2015 02:49 PM (O7MnT)
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. His negatives are that his good friend Paul Ryan had equally stellar credentials prior to 2012 and then folded like a cheap suit.
He's been taking heat for a while and hasn't folded. The real test will be when the GOPe comes calling with cash.
He's been taking heat for a while and hasn't folded. The real test will be when the GOPe comes calling with cash.
Posted by: Jean at July 22, 2015 02:50 PM (ztOda)
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150 @125 Your policy preferences ARE being enacted. At the state level when both houses of the legislature and the governor's mansion are held by Republicans.
Why is it so hard to see that replicating that at the national level is the answer you seek?
I think some people believed that Obama and the Dems would just give up after the 2014 mid-terms. Since they obviously didn't, it must be the Republicans' fault.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:47 PM (ljZD2)
...Not my policy preferences.
And the R's at the national level are not innocent bystanders, they're actively working to shiv us in the back. when they hear "limited government" they hear "pay cut, influence cut, and power cut" which scares them as much as it scares the Dem pols.
And the same is true for any state level pol with higher ambitions.
Why is it so hard to see that replicating that at the national level is the answer you seek?
I think some people believed that Obama and the Dems would just give up after the 2014 mid-terms. Since they obviously didn't, it must be the Republicans' fault.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:47 PM (ljZD2)
...Not my policy preferences.
And the R's at the national level are not innocent bystanders, they're actively working to shiv us in the back. when they hear "limited government" they hear "pay cut, influence cut, and power cut" which scares them as much as it scares the Dem pols.
And the same is true for any state level pol with higher ambitions.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 02:50 PM (AkOaV)
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148 Is he even on the air in the SF Bay Area radio market?
Yes he is.
Posted by: Ian S.
Learn something new every day!
Yes he is.
Posted by: Ian S.
Learn something new every day!
Posted by: zombie at July 22, 2015 02:50 PM (jBuUi)
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Rush just played a clip of a woman testifying before Congress about how her son was tortured and set on fire by a Dreamer(TM). And she thanked Trump for bringing the issue to the forefront in "two minutes" when she and others like her had been trying to get people's attention for "four years".
How much courage does it have to take to forcefully say we do not want any illegal alien criminals in our country, that they should be deported? This shows how scared of their own shadows the Republican establishment are, and they should be ashamed that it took Trump to raise this issue and get people's attention.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at July 22, 2015 02:47 PM (Mt8T4)
And now Trump's going to the border.
No one has the guts.
Trump is like the Talk Radio candidate, now that I think about it.
How much courage does it have to take to forcefully say we do not want any illegal alien criminals in our country, that they should be deported? This shows how scared of their own shadows the Republican establishment are, and they should be ashamed that it took Trump to raise this issue and get people's attention.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at July 22, 2015 02:47 PM (Mt8T4)
And now Trump's going to the border.
No one has the guts.
Trump is like the Talk Radio candidate, now that I think about it.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 22, 2015 02:50 PM (qCMvj)
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Being skeptical of how conservative a Walker presidency would be is one thing. Comparing him to Christie is another.
Posted by: GOPe at July 22, 2015 02:50 PM (McmCo)
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Did you ever notice that the people who complain most loudly that too many people are talking about Trump talk more about Trump than anyone else?
If you want to talk about Cruz or Walker, then talk about Cruz and Walker.
I especially love the part of the conspiracy theory where "conservative whacko birds" are forcing MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, and liberal papers and websites to talk about Trump too much.
The left, the MFM, and the "always campaigning, never governing" RNC all want Trump Vs. Jeb.
If you want to talk about Cruz or Walker, then talk about Cruz and Walker.
I especially love the part of the conspiracy theory where "conservative whacko birds" are forcing MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, and liberal papers and websites to talk about Trump too much.
The left, the MFM, and the "always campaigning, never governing" RNC all want Trump Vs. Jeb.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 22, 2015 02:51 PM (bLnSU)
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>>That's his positives. His negatives are that his good friend Paul Ryan had equally stellar credentials prior to 2012 and then folded like a cheap suit.
I'm pretty sure no politician is going to please you all the time unless they go full lawless like Obama. Obama has another advantage, he basically took a pass on foreign policy and just gave up and gave our enemies whatever they wanted so he could focus on ruining us domestically.
I expect my candidate to be able to deal effectively with America's foreign policy, and by effectively I mean not giving in to JV teams and letting Russia and China dork us up the squeak hole while also fighting for my policies domestically.
I know I won't get everything I want but I want someone who will at least move the ball in my direction. Walker seems like he fits that bill to me but I'm not ruling a few others out yet. And I don't expect perfection. Even in the friends he picks.
I'm pretty sure no politician is going to please you all the time unless they go full lawless like Obama. Obama has another advantage, he basically took a pass on foreign policy and just gave up and gave our enemies whatever they wanted so he could focus on ruining us domestically.
I expect my candidate to be able to deal effectively with America's foreign policy, and by effectively I mean not giving in to JV teams and letting Russia and China dork us up the squeak hole while also fighting for my policies domestically.
I know I won't get everything I want but I want someone who will at least move the ball in my direction. Walker seems like he fits that bill to me but I'm not ruling a few others out yet. And I don't expect perfection. Even in the friends he picks.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 02:51 PM (OGm46)
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Posted by: Lincolntf at July 22, 2015 02:45 PM (2cS/G)
They told me at lunch that they were still in the process of pulling the surveillance tape.
They told me at lunch that they were still in the process of pulling the surveillance tape.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 22, 2015 02:51 PM (B7Uun)
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Jeb /Rocky Burnette 2016!
Posted by: Fritz at July 22, 2015 02:51 PM (o/UmK)
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What ever happened to the "DON'T PUNCH DOWN!!! guy? I'm sure his ravings about Trump would be epic.
Posted by: Ed Anger at July 22, 2015 02:52 PM (RcpcZ)
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>>And now Trump's going to the border.
It would interesting to see Jebba the Bush at the border. "Look, there's an act of love! Hey, look, there's another act love! And look at those guys over there, there must be a hundred of them engaging in acts of love."
It would interesting to see Jebba the Bush at the border. "Look, there's an act of love! Hey, look, there's another act love! And look at those guys over there, there must be a hundred of them engaging in acts of love."
Posted by: V the K at July 22, 2015 02:52 PM (O7MnT)
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I HATE liberturdians. Hate them
At least dimocrap scum don't pretend to be on our side
Posted by: Uncle Rick at July 22, 2015 02:40 PM (ZbB1q)
Uh, okay.
What about libertarians do you hate?
Reagan once identified as libertarian (back in the Goldwater era and the "time for choosing" speech). Jefferson is the demi-God to libertarian'ish people and to libertarians (aka: classic liberals) and our entire system of government and economic system came from class liberals (now called libertarians)
So what exactly is it about them that you hate?
At least dimocrap scum don't pretend to be on our side
Posted by: Uncle Rick at July 22, 2015 02:40 PM (ZbB1q)
Uh, okay.
What about libertarians do you hate?
Reagan once identified as libertarian (back in the Goldwater era and the "time for choosing" speech). Jefferson is the demi-God to libertarian'ish people and to libertarians (aka: classic liberals) and our entire system of government and economic system came from class liberals (now called libertarians)
So what exactly is it about them that you hate?
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 02:52 PM (AkOaV)
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Walker is good on the second Amendment.
Christie is not.
Walker is good on pro-life.
Christie not so much.
Walker beat the unions and the John Doe lawfare in a blue state.
Christie yelled at some NJ teacher's union and declared himself the victor.
Walker didn't hug Obama or fly in a helicopter with him.
Christie did.
Christie is not.
Walker is good on pro-life.
Christie not so much.
Walker beat the unions and the John Doe lawfare in a blue state.
Christie yelled at some NJ teacher's union and declared himself the victor.
Walker didn't hug Obama or fly in a helicopter with him.
Christie did.
Posted by: some random meathead at July 22, 2015 02:52 PM (cNtqS)
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Hey thanks Ace, I appreciate you minimizing Sounds of Ass on your blog.
Posted by: pashmr at July 22, 2015 02:53 PM (3aNC4)
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Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 22, 2015 02:51 PM (bLnSU)
It's a freaking Trump thread. I'd love to have a Cruz or Walker thread.
It's a freaking Trump thread. I'd love to have a Cruz or Walker thread.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 22, 2015 02:53 PM (B7Uun)
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>>>Why is it so hard to see that replicating that at the national level is the answer you seek?
Two words.
McConnell Boehner
Two words.
McConnell Boehner
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at July 22, 2015 02:53 PM (0q2P7)
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Going back to the border is spitting in establishments face!
Wait till next week polls come out.
Alotta people gonna be shocked.
This is a real thing, this is actually happening.
Wait till next week polls come out.
Alotta people gonna be shocked.
This is a real thing, this is actually happening.
Posted by: Casual Indifference at July 22, 2015 02:53 PM (kf36l)
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"OK, but I don't see how Ryan's failures reflect on Walker."
What reflects upon Walker is his hiring of the worst of the arrogant inbred GOP establishment consultantocracy.
Brad Dayspring comes to mind. Who was so acidic in his contempt for the Tea Party effort to oust the senile Thad Cochran.
As the old saying has it, "personnel is policy".
Between that and Walker trying to have it both ways on amnesty, color me thoroughly unimpressed.
What reflects upon Walker is his hiring of the worst of the arrogant inbred GOP establishment consultantocracy.
Brad Dayspring comes to mind. Who was so acidic in his contempt for the Tea Party effort to oust the senile Thad Cochran.
As the old saying has it, "personnel is policy".
Between that and Walker trying to have it both ways on amnesty, color me thoroughly unimpressed.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 22, 2015 02:53 PM (noWW6)
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Trump is doing what Rush won't.
Who else on the political scene is saying what we're thinking?
Who else is standing up to the media?
Who else is standing up to the politicians and saying what they don't want said to the base?
Who else has energy and seems to be enjoying the process?
(most all the rest of the candidates are acting as if they've got constipation and are hoping for a good dump real soon)
Who else do you see putting crazy people in their place?
Trump and Rush.
Who else on the political scene is saying what we're thinking?
Who else is standing up to the media?
Who else is standing up to the politicians and saying what they don't want said to the base?
Who else has energy and seems to be enjoying the process?
(most all the rest of the candidates are acting as if they've got constipation and are hoping for a good dump real soon)
Who else do you see putting crazy people in their place?
Trump and Rush.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 22, 2015 02:54 PM (x3GpS)
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171 Being skeptical of how conservative a Walker presidency would be is one thing. Comparing him to Christie is another.
Posted by: GOPe at July 22, 2015 02:50 PM (McmCo)
I meant in the sense that he made huge waves in a blue state and was very popular after smacking down some union folks, but has no real "conservative" credentials and over time it became apparent Christie was just in the right place at the right time, and was never an actual conservative.
That's my read on Walker, as well.
I'm not comparing him to the Christie / Obama hug or anything, just as kind of a let down.
Others mentioned Paul Ryan, I think that's also an apt comparison.
Posted by: GOPe at July 22, 2015 02:50 PM (McmCo)
I meant in the sense that he made huge waves in a blue state and was very popular after smacking down some union folks, but has no real "conservative" credentials and over time it became apparent Christie was just in the right place at the right time, and was never an actual conservative.
That's my read on Walker, as well.
I'm not comparing him to the Christie / Obama hug or anything, just as kind of a let down.
Others mentioned Paul Ryan, I think that's also an apt comparison.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 02:54 PM (AkOaV)
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It's a freaking Trump thread. I'd love to have a Cruz or Walker thread.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 22, 2015 02:53 PM (B7Uun)
lol, the thread would read
Cruz met with Trump!
Walker has met with Trump yet!
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 22, 2015 02:53 PM (B7Uun)
lol, the thread would read
Cruz met with Trump!
Walker has met with Trump yet!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 22, 2015 02:54 PM (qCMvj)
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167 Paul Ryan is dead to me. I had so much hope for him. But after the 2012 election he gave up whatever conservative creds he had like a $5 whore. And I apologize to any $5 whores who are offended by this.
Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at July 22, 2015 02:54 PM (DlmoZ)
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181 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 22, 2015 02:51 PM (bLnSU)
It's a freaking Trump thread. I'd love to have a Cruz or Walker thread.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 22, 2015 02:53 PM (B7Uun)
Alas, they're all going to be Trump threads until the Donald drops out.
It's a freaking Trump thread. I'd love to have a Cruz or Walker thread.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 22, 2015 02:53 PM (B7Uun)
Alas, they're all going to be Trump threads until the Donald drops out.
Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at July 22, 2015 02:54 PM (RD7QR)
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Trump is running I should have said where as Rush won't.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 22, 2015 02:55 PM (x3GpS)
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"which elevates Trump into a folk hero, frankly."
Yeah, but you're still not going to find a statue of him in a Mudder village any time soon...
Yeah, but you're still not going to find a statue of him in a Mudder village any time soon...
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 22, 2015 02:55 PM (Mtb58)
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Ace posted someone's tweet recently that the Trump candidacy is like what would happen if a comments section ran for office.
I'd like to take that just a little further.
The Trump candidacy is the collective embodiment of feeling the you have no voice.
I'd like to take that just a little further.
The Trump candidacy is the collective embodiment of feeling the you have no voice.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at July 22, 2015 02:55 PM (0q2P7)
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Walker's "path to citizenship for immigrant workers" is bad though. Meh, he's a non border-state governor. He doesn't get it.
I hate the term "immigrant worker" . Drives me nuts.
THEY ARE NOT FREAKIN IMMIGRANTS! THEY ARE NON IMMIGRANTS !!!!
It says so right there on their visas. They sign a piece of paper agreeing NOT to emigrate.
There are 'migrant farm workers' who receive NIVs to work TEMPORARILY in the US however and this is the source of confusion.
I hate the term "immigrant worker" . Drives me nuts.
THEY ARE NOT FREAKIN IMMIGRANTS! THEY ARE NON IMMIGRANTS !!!!
It says so right there on their visas. They sign a piece of paper agreeing NOT to emigrate.
There are 'migrant farm workers' who receive NIVs to work TEMPORARILY in the US however and this is the source of confusion.
Posted by: some random meathead at July 22, 2015 02:55 PM (cNtqS)
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The GOPe, like the ProgDems, are projecting. They mindlessly follow their given tribe, no matter what. They've followed the Republican party right over a cliff and are too much of a pussy to admit it, so they project their negative traits upon the rest of us.
Posted by: DangerGirl at July 22, 2015 02:55 PM (Q1QrS)
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150 @125 Your policy preferences ARE being enacted. At the state level when both houses of the legislature and the governor's mansion are held by Republicans.
Why is it so hard to see that replicating that at the national level is the answer you seek?
I think some people believed that Obama and the Dems would just give up after the 2014 mid-terms. Since they obviously didn't, it must be the Republicans' fault.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:47 PM (ljZD2)
Bullshit. Nikki Haley pulled down a flag in a crass political maneuver. Pence gutted the RFRA after the outcry from the left. Arizona vetoed its RFRA after pressure from national republicans, like Mitt Romney. Where has the GOP support been for bakers or photographers exercising their religious freedon? Nowhere. It's all a lie. The state level is as shitty as the national level.
This goes back to 2010, when John Boehner pledged to America he'd cut a paltry 100 billion from the 2011 budget, and got a cut - to the increase - of six billion. Or the capitulation in August 2011 on spending.
But go ahead and pretend we all only got mad in 2014, that the GOP wants to be conservative despite not fighting any Dem initiative in eight years that didn't affect the Chamber of Commerce.
Why is it so hard to see that replicating that at the national level is the answer you seek?
I think some people believed that Obama and the Dems would just give up after the 2014 mid-terms. Since they obviously didn't, it must be the Republicans' fault.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:47 PM (ljZD2)
Bullshit. Nikki Haley pulled down a flag in a crass political maneuver. Pence gutted the RFRA after the outcry from the left. Arizona vetoed its RFRA after pressure from national republicans, like Mitt Romney. Where has the GOP support been for bakers or photographers exercising their religious freedon? Nowhere. It's all a lie. The state level is as shitty as the national level.
This goes back to 2010, when John Boehner pledged to America he'd cut a paltry 100 billion from the 2011 budget, and got a cut - to the increase - of six billion. Or the capitulation in August 2011 on spending.
But go ahead and pretend we all only got mad in 2014, that the GOP wants to be conservative despite not fighting any Dem initiative in eight years that didn't affect the Chamber of Commerce.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 02:55 PM (m9wUQ)
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Between that and Walker trying to have it both ways on amnesty, color me thoroughly unimpressed.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 22, 2015 02:53 PM (noWW6)
Yeah. Walker took on the unions.
So did Rahm Emmanuel and Dannel Malloy.
At some point, math requires politicians (of either party) to force the unions in to concessions.
That's not really a conservative thing, it's a math thing.
...and beyond that, Walker hasn't said or done anything that impresses me and makes me think "wow, he's the one!"
Posted by: torquewrench at July 22, 2015 02:53 PM (noWW6)
Yeah. Walker took on the unions.
So did Rahm Emmanuel and Dannel Malloy.
At some point, math requires politicians (of either party) to force the unions in to concessions.
That's not really a conservative thing, it's a math thing.
...and beyond that, Walker hasn't said or done anything that impresses me and makes me think "wow, he's the one!"
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 02:55 PM (AkOaV)
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If Jeff Sessions were running, Trump would be nowhere.
The GOPe created Trump by siding with donors over voters on immigration, and Trump is just filling the vacuum.
The GOPe created Trump by siding with donors over voters on immigration, and Trump is just filling the vacuum.
Posted by: Jon at July 22, 2015 02:56 PM (HA+/6)
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@173 Exactly.
People forget that our system is intentionally designed to be slow to change.
The only reason Obama got most of what he wanted was because he had super-majorities of looney-tunes willing to get beat in the next election to pass his bills the first two years, plus the total support of the press. Even then, they had to bribe people to go along.
Expecting things to shift radically back on the snap of a finger is fantasy talk. Get super-majorities of Rs and an R president in 2017 and maybe it might happen that quickly. We'll still be fighting then entire press, though.
Stop making the perfect the enemy of the good, and fantasy the enemy of the possible.
People forget that our system is intentionally designed to be slow to change.
The only reason Obama got most of what he wanted was because he had super-majorities of looney-tunes willing to get beat in the next election to pass his bills the first two years, plus the total support of the press. Even then, they had to bribe people to go along.
Expecting things to shift radically back on the snap of a finger is fantasy talk. Get super-majorities of Rs and an R president in 2017 and maybe it might happen that quickly. We'll still be fighting then entire press, though.
Stop making the perfect the enemy of the good, and fantasy the enemy of the possible.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:56 PM (ljZD2)
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>>>Walker? Eh. A thinner Chris Christie.<<<
I never hugged SCOAMF and thanked him for a "great job" after a natural disaster, boosting his image during a crucial Presidential run.
I've also never embarrassingly glommed onto Jerry "Skeletor" Jones on national tv.
I never hugged SCOAMF and thanked him for a "great job" after a natural disaster, boosting his image during a crucial Presidential run.
I've also never embarrassingly glommed onto Jerry "Skeletor" Jones on national tv.
Posted by: Walker, on his slightly wobbly Skull of Thrones at July 22, 2015 02:56 PM (z9azR)
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Gay marriage.
Or getting flags removed at a whim.
Or jailing bakers and photographers for being Christians.
Or getting every debt increase they want.
Or getting deals with Iran.
Or getting odious 'free trade' agreements passed.
We don't see any hills to die on here. In fact, we never even see any hills. Just flat lands as far as the eye can see.
Or getting flags removed at a whim.
Or jailing bakers and photographers for being Christians.
Or getting every debt increase they want.
Or getting deals with Iran.
Or getting odious 'free trade' agreements passed.
We don't see any hills to die on here. In fact, we never even see any hills. Just flat lands as far as the eye can see.
Posted by: GOPe at July 22, 2015 02:56 PM (lc+1R)
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Wake me up when Trump makes fun of Hillary!s shoes.
Wake me up when Trump makes fun of Hillary!s shoes.
Posted by: wth at July 22, 2015 02:57 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 22, 2015 02:57 PM (xSCb6)
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"Walker beat the unions and the John Doe lawfare in a blue state."
Walker imposed really quite mild reforms upon one (1) public sector union, the teachers. That's it.
People talk about this in terms of huge awe as though Walker had decertified every last public union in cheese country or something. It's just not that big a deal.
Walker imposed really quite mild reforms upon one (1) public sector union, the teachers. That's it.
People talk about this in terms of huge awe as though Walker had decertified every last public union in cheese country or something. It's just not that big a deal.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 22, 2015 02:57 PM (noWW6)
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Rush is not defending what Trump said, but pointing out how to operate under the ridiculous press and D.C. troglodytes who insist on forcing conservatives to 'apologize' for perfectly normal comments. I am in 100% agreement with Rush. The way to handle the press and the left is to ignore them. Don't give into the pressure coming from a handful of leftist loudmouths and cave. Stand up for yourself already.
That is what Trump is doing, and it's working. Please take note wimpy RINOs.
That is what Trump is doing, and it's working. Please take note wimpy RINOs.
Posted by: KG at July 22, 2015 02:57 PM (F8s9H)
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I listen to Morning Joe pretty regularly (I know, I know). Every day this week they've spent the first 20-25 minutes talking about Trump, and then bemoaning the fact that the conversation is all about Trump.
The hilarity quotient is high.
I listen to Morning Joe pretty regularly (I know, I know). Every day this week they've spent the first 20-25 minutes talking about Trump, and then bemoaning the fact that the conversation is all about Trump.
The hilarity quotient is high.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 22, 2015 02:57 PM (JtwS4)
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Ace, Rush is able to run defense for Trump because he prob doesn't care about Republicans anymore. If Trump would have run say, 10 years ago Rush would prob be slamming him for this and that.
Much like the rest of us who have spent 30 yrs defending Republicans, voting for Republicans, working and donating to Republicans. It is over. The GOP has proven they really don't like us at all.
Like a love affair, or marriage, maybe a significant part of the Party just could give a shit about Republicans anymore.
Much like the rest of us who have spent 30 yrs defending Republicans, voting for Republicans, working and donating to Republicans. It is over. The GOP has proven they really don't like us at all.
Like a love affair, or marriage, maybe a significant part of the Party just could give a shit about Republicans anymore.
Posted by: pam at July 22, 2015 02:57 PM (EAZ7y)
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This goes back to 2010, when John Boehner pledged to America he'd cut a paltry 100 billion from the 2011 budget, and got a cut - to the increase - of six billion. Or the capitulation in August 2011 on spending.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 02:55 PM (m9wUQ)
That was my breaking point.
They ran in 2010 on "100 billion in real cuts in year one" then before the new class even got sworn in they were walking that back.
I donated, voted, dragged friends and family to the polling place -- all for nothing. The R's running for office straight up lied, and co-opted the grass roots TEA Party anger in to their own spiel and, well... I mean, they lied.
They never intended to cut anything. They just wanted to ride the wave of anger to re-election (or election) and said what the polling and focus groups told them to say.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 02:55 PM (m9wUQ)
That was my breaking point.
They ran in 2010 on "100 billion in real cuts in year one" then before the new class even got sworn in they were walking that back.
I donated, voted, dragged friends and family to the polling place -- all for nothing. The R's running for office straight up lied, and co-opted the grass roots TEA Party anger in to their own spiel and, well... I mean, they lied.
They never intended to cut anything. They just wanted to ride the wave of anger to re-election (or election) and said what the polling and focus groups told them to say.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 02:58 PM (AkOaV)
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The thing about Trump, when he talks you know that what he's saying hasn't been parsed through halve a dozen focus groups and reviewed by an army of consultants. Every other candidate when asked a question will give you a 15 minute answer that doesn't tell you anything about the position asked about in the question. Political double speak.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 02:46 PM (C278+)
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Political consultants are nothing but more people pushing political correctness up our asses.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 02:46 PM (C278+)
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Political consultants are nothing but more people pushing political correctness up our asses.
Posted by: Soona at July 22, 2015 02:58 PM (P25Hh)
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It's a freaking Trump thread. I'd love to have a Cruz or Walker thread.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 22, 2015 02:53 PM (B7Uun)
When Cruz or Walker start knocking over tables and pissing people off I'm sure Ace will write about it. Right now Cruz and Walker are vanilla to Trump's Rocky Road.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 22, 2015 02:53 PM (B7Uun)
When Cruz or Walker start knocking over tables and pissing people off I'm sure Ace will write about it. Right now Cruz and Walker are vanilla to Trump's Rocky Road.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 02:58 PM (C278+)
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Ace posted someone's tweet recently that the Trump candidacy is like what would happen if a comments section ran for office.
A guy I know on Twitter had a better version: Trump is Let It Burn personified.
A guy I know on Twitter had a better version: Trump is Let It Burn personified.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 22, 2015 02:59 PM (B/VB5)
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The one? I'm already in the White House!
Posted by: Barack Obama at July 22, 2015 02:59 PM (McmCo)
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Like a love affair, or marriage, maybe a significant part of the Party just could give a shit about Republicans anymore.
Posted by: pam at July 22, 2015 02:57 PM (EAZ7y)
Oh great, so now we get to have hall sex with the GOP.
Posted by: pam at July 22, 2015 02:57 PM (EAZ7y)
Oh great, so now we get to have hall sex with the GOP.
Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at July 22, 2015 02:59 PM (RD7QR)
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I'm not saying there isn't Too Much Trump, but there's nothing stopping people from talking about Cruz and Walker, except, well, they have various motivations for Trumpeting all the time.
The motivation mentioned least often seems to be the one I try to bring up when I end up at these junctures - the very people fighting against *you* are the ones who want Trump sucking the oxygen out of the discussion, because that allows them to control who's (functionally) on the ballot.
If you control the boundaries of the choice, you can essentially make the decisions for other people.
It would be nice to have more discussion about why that's happening, in concrete terms, but A) people almost never go beyond the obvious and B) the people manipulating your decisions rarely confess.
The motivation mentioned least often seems to be the one I try to bring up when I end up at these junctures - the very people fighting against *you* are the ones who want Trump sucking the oxygen out of the discussion, because that allows them to control who's (functionally) on the ballot.
If you control the boundaries of the choice, you can essentially make the decisions for other people.
It would be nice to have more discussion about why that's happening, in concrete terms, but A) people almost never go beyond the obvious and B) the people manipulating your decisions rarely confess.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 22, 2015 02:59 PM (bLnSU)
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BB Wolf: "Now the media and GOPe sees a movement developing... one based on ANGER at both the media and Washington... but they can't attack it because it has no spokesman (beyond Trump, who seems immune to their normal attacks).... so they are looking to personalize the movement (right out of Alinsky)... Freeze it... so they can then tear it down...
Just as they did the TEA Party movement..."
Exactly. That's how you know who the real threat is to the Hierarchy.
BTW, notice how little has been done with the IRS targeting of the TEA Party? The Democrats AND Republicans were threatened with the insurgency. But for kabuki, nothing has been done. Not a GD thing. Both parties wanted it snuffed.
Just as they did the TEA Party movement..."
Exactly. That's how you know who the real threat is to the Hierarchy.
BTW, notice how little has been done with the IRS targeting of the TEA Party? The Democrats AND Republicans were threatened with the insurgency. But for kabuki, nothing has been done. Not a GD thing. Both parties wanted it snuffed.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 22, 2015 02:59 PM (1CroS)
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People talk about this in terms of huge awe as though Walker had
decertified every last public union in cheese country or something. It's
just not that big a deal.
He got a flaming skull and made hippies cry.
Gotta give credit where it's due.
People talk about this in terms of huge awe as though Walker had
decertified every last public union in cheese country or something. It's
just not that big a deal.
He got a flaming skull and made hippies cry.
Gotta give credit where it's due.
Posted by: some random meathead at July 22, 2015 02:59 PM (cNtqS)
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Political consultants are nothing but more people pushing political correctness up our asses.
Posted by: Soona at July 22, 2015 02:58 PM (P25Hh)
Exactly, that's why Trump has gotten some much traction in such a short amount of time. He's not a cookie cutter candidate.
Posted by: Soona at July 22, 2015 02:58 PM (P25Hh)
Exactly, that's why Trump has gotten some much traction in such a short amount of time. He's not a cookie cutter candidate.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 03:00 PM (C278+)
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>>Walker imposed really quite mild reforms upon one (1) public sector union, the teachers. That's it.
Uh no. His bill prohibited all public unions from forcing their members to pay dues not just teachers unions.
Uh no. His bill prohibited all public unions from forcing their members to pay dues not just teachers unions.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:00 PM (OGm46)
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Oh great, so now we get to have hall sex with the GOP.
Why not, haven't they been screwing us for the last 6 years?
Oh great, so now we get to have hall sex with the GOP.
Why not, haven't they been screwing us for the last 6 years?
Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at July 22, 2015 03:00 PM (DlmoZ)
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People talk about this in terms of huge awe as though Walker had decertified every last public union in cheese country or something. It's just not that big a deal.
Except when compared to... well, the reform achievements of all other Republicans.
Christie and Kasich accomplished exactly zero reforms to public sector unions.
Christie and Kasich both expanded Obamacare in their states.
Senate Republicans have done exactly zero to reform public sector unions.
Walker may not be a giant, but the rest of the field are midgets.
Except when compared to... well, the reform achievements of all other Republicans.
Christie and Kasich accomplished exactly zero reforms to public sector unions.
Christie and Kasich both expanded Obamacare in their states.
Senate Republicans have done exactly zero to reform public sector unions.
Walker may not be a giant, but the rest of the field are midgets.
Posted by: V the K at July 22, 2015 03:00 PM (O7MnT)
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@195 So, defend the traitor flag and stick it to the gays?
Have I got that right?
Yeah, those are the most important issues facing the country.
And you wonder why you aren't taken seriously by people who actually have to win a majority of the votes to keep their job.
Have I got that right?
Yeah, those are the most important issues facing the country.
And you wonder why you aren't taken seriously by people who actually have to win a majority of the votes to keep their job.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 03:00 PM (ljZD2)
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Re: Trump
For example, I recently saw Carly Fiorina debate (well, be interviewed by, but really no difference) Katie Couric on her video blog for Yahoo! or whatever.
All I could think was, "Why the fuck would you sit down with Katie Couric? She is a democrat party hack trying to do oppo research on you and trying to come up with a soundbite to Sarah Palin you. Why would you do that?"
I don't see Trump sitting down with someone like Katie Couric, accepting the premise of every one of her (highly insulting) questions, and trying to have a real back and forth with someone who is clearly trying to debate him, while pretending it's an "interview".
Why are any candidates even talking to the legacy media? The media needs the candidates a lot more than the candidates need in the media in 2015.
For example, I recently saw Carly Fiorina debate (well, be interviewed by, but really no difference) Katie Couric on her video blog for Yahoo! or whatever.
All I could think was, "Why the fuck would you sit down with Katie Couric? She is a democrat party hack trying to do oppo research on you and trying to come up with a soundbite to Sarah Palin you. Why would you do that?"
I don't see Trump sitting down with someone like Katie Couric, accepting the premise of every one of her (highly insulting) questions, and trying to have a real back and forth with someone who is clearly trying to debate him, while pretending it's an "interview".
Why are any candidates even talking to the legacy media? The media needs the candidates a lot more than the candidates need in the media in 2015.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:01 PM (AkOaV)
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Gotta say that I don't know that I could ever bring myself to actually vote for Trump (or the vast majority of the other candidates)....I'd prob just stay home, BUT :
It tickles the FUCK out of me to see how the GOPe is shitting itself over this.....hell National Review and Commentary alone are good for hours and hours of entertainment, not to mention Fox News.
Gotta say that I don't know that I could ever bring myself to actually vote for Trump (or the vast majority of the other candidates)....I'd prob just stay home, BUT :
It tickles the FUCK out of me to see how the GOPe is shitting itself over this.....hell National Review and Commentary alone are good for hours and hours of entertainment, not to mention Fox News.
Posted by: FITP at July 22, 2015 03:01 PM (ee8Wv)
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When Cruz or Walker start knocking over tables and pissing people off I'm sure Ace will write about it. Right now Cruz and Walker are vanilla to Trump's Rocky Road.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 02:58 PM (C278+)
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Right now, Cruz and Walker are cold, slow winter drizzles to Trumps super-cell thunderstorm.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 02:58 PM (C278+)
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Right now, Cruz and Walker are cold, slow winter drizzles to Trumps super-cell thunderstorm.
Posted by: Soona at July 22, 2015 03:01 PM (P25Hh)
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Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:39 PM (ljZD2)
Except when the two sides are on the same coin.
Except when the two sides are on the same coin.
Posted by: eman at July 22, 2015 03:01 PM (MQEz6)
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Years ago Rush was wildly in favor of the Dubai World Ports deal and defended it constantly. But he never even budged the needle of his listeners' opposition to it. I doubt that he would have any effect on opinions regarding Trump.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at July 22, 2015 03:01 PM (nFdGS)
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Who else on the political scene is saying what we're thinking?
Who else is standing up to the media?
Who else is standing up to the politicians and saying what they don't want said to the base?
Who else has energy and seems to be enjoying the process?
(most all the rest of the candidates are acting as if they've got constipation and are hoping for a good dump real soon)
Who else do you see putting crazy people in their place?
Trump!
He's a bad motherf** SHUT YOUR MOUTH!!
Who else is standing up to the media?
Who else is standing up to the politicians and saying what they don't want said to the base?
Who else has energy and seems to be enjoying the process?
(most all the rest of the candidates are acting as if they've got constipation and are hoping for a good dump real soon)
Who else do you see putting crazy people in their place?
Trump!
He's a bad motherf** SHUT YOUR MOUTH!!
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 22, 2015 03:01 PM (JO9+V)
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The one? I'm already in the White House!
Posted by: Barack Obama at July 22, 2015 02:59 PM (McmCo)
.............................
Hopefully somebody will change the locks while you're in Kenya.
The one? I'm already in the White House!
Posted by: Barack Obama at July 22, 2015 02:59 PM (McmCo)
.............................
Hopefully somebody will change the locks while you're in Kenya.
Posted by: wth at July 22, 2015 03:02 PM (wAQA5)
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>>>Oh great, so now we get to have hall sex with the GOP.
It's better than back door every time like we've been getting.
It's better than back door every time like we've been getting.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at July 22, 2015 03:02 PM (0q2P7)
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They ran in 2010 on "100 billion in real cuts in year one" then before the new class even got sworn in they were walking that back.
I donated, voted, dragged friends and family to the polling place -- all for nothing. The R's running for office straight up lied, and co-opted the grass roots TEA Party anger in to their own spiel and, well... I mean, they lied.
They never intended to cut anything. They just wanted to ride the wave of anger to re-election (or election) and said what the polling and focus groups told them to say.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 02:58 PM (AkOaV)
Basically my feelings too. He didn't even try for $100 billion. His opening move was $60 billion.
It was an outright lie to win the election.
I donated, voted, dragged friends and family to the polling place -- all for nothing. The R's running for office straight up lied, and co-opted the grass roots TEA Party anger in to their own spiel and, well... I mean, they lied.
They never intended to cut anything. They just wanted to ride the wave of anger to re-election (or election) and said what the polling and focus groups told them to say.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 02:58 PM (AkOaV)
Basically my feelings too. He didn't even try for $100 billion. His opening move was $60 billion.
It was an outright lie to win the election.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:02 PM (m9wUQ)
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Trump is the only "free" man running. He needs no one and doesnt need to focus group his thoughts.
Hes Donald Trump.
Hes Donald Trump.
Posted by: Casual Indifference at July 22, 2015 03:02 PM (kf36l)
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And you wonder why you aren't taken seriously by people who actually have to win a majority of the votes to keep their job.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 03:00 PM (ljZD2)
I'm not sure what you're responding to, but that's fine.
I don't take the people who have to "win a majority of the votes to keep their job" seriously either.
I think they're a bunch of corrupt, inept, unintelligent hacks out to get power, fame, and money.
Which is why I don't vote R anymore.
So yeah, I hope the R pol's keep ignoring me and people like me. That way we can guarantee they never get elected again.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 03:00 PM (ljZD2)
I'm not sure what you're responding to, but that's fine.
I don't take the people who have to "win a majority of the votes to keep their job" seriously either.
I think they're a bunch of corrupt, inept, unintelligent hacks out to get power, fame, and money.
Which is why I don't vote R anymore.
So yeah, I hope the R pol's keep ignoring me and people like me. That way we can guarantee they never get elected again.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:02 PM (AkOaV)
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"They just wanted to ride the wave of anger to re-election (or election)
and said what the polling and focus groups told them to say."
And then because that had worked, the GOP establishment then pulled the same damn Lucy-with-the-football trick in 2014, and it worked again.
Anyone else remember Mitch McConnell, when he was in trouble in his re-election polling, solemnly promising if he became Majority Leader that he would immediately bring the entirety of Obamacare to a straight up or down repeal vote on the floor?
I guess he must have forgotten. Yeah, that's the ticket. Mitch is a busy guy. Lots on his plate.
and said what the polling and focus groups told them to say."
And then because that had worked, the GOP establishment then pulled the same damn Lucy-with-the-football trick in 2014, and it worked again.
Anyone else remember Mitch McConnell, when he was in trouble in his re-election polling, solemnly promising if he became Majority Leader that he would immediately bring the entirety of Obamacare to a straight up or down repeal vote on the floor?
I guess he must have forgotten. Yeah, that's the ticket. Mitch is a busy guy. Lots on his plate.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 22, 2015 03:02 PM (noWW6)
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@215: Yeah, the lamentations of those identifying as female were indeed excellent to behold. As Fox Mulder would say, I Want To Believe that Walker can do that nationwide, but I'm skeptical.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 22, 2015 03:02 PM (B/VB5)
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BTW, notice how little has been done with the IRS targeting of the TEA Party?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 22, 2015 02:59 PM (1CroS)
But Trey Gowdy puts on such a good show, doesn't he?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 22, 2015 02:59 PM (1CroS)
But Trey Gowdy puts on such a good show, doesn't he?
Posted by: rrpjr at July 22, 2015 03:03 PM (s/yC1)
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***"People forget that our system is intentionally designed to be slow to change.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:56 PM (ljZD2)"***
Perhaps you should try giving some examples of your assertion that states are making the changes conservatives seek.
Someone else gave contrary examples at 195, and yet you're just spouting a bunch of beauty pageant-level nonsense.
Put up or, well, you know...
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:56 PM (ljZD2)"***
Perhaps you should try giving some examples of your assertion that states are making the changes conservatives seek.
Someone else gave contrary examples at 195, and yet you're just spouting a bunch of beauty pageant-level nonsense.
Put up or, well, you know...
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 22, 2015 03:03 PM (xSCb6)
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I am so glad Ace decided to grow a pair. I was certain he would spend his time convincing us how special Jeb is. Just like he did with Romney.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 22, 2015 03:03 PM (oDCMR)
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could give a shit about Republicans anymore.
Posted by: pam
I could give a shit about the Republicans anymore.
Posted by: pam
I could give a shit about the Republicans anymore.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 22, 2015 03:03 PM (/Ho8c)
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220 @195 So, defend the traitor flag and stick it to the gays?
Have I got that right?
Yeah, those are the most important issues facing the country.
And you wonder why you aren't taken seriously by people who actually have to win a majority of the votes to keep their job.
So we've resorted to accusations of me being a racist homophobe?
How Republican of you.
Have I got that right?
Yeah, those are the most important issues facing the country.
And you wonder why you aren't taken seriously by people who actually have to win a majority of the votes to keep their job.
So we've resorted to accusations of me being a racist homophobe?
How Republican of you.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:04 PM (m9wUQ)
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Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 22, 2015 02:59 PM (1CroS)
That, and about 100 other problems...
They do nothing but talk... make headlines... but nothing ever actually changes, and no one even gets fired.
Its like Benghazi... which they will never get to the bottom of because the GOP leadership KNEW the CIA annex there was illegally buying guns there, and shipping them through Turkey to Syria, where they then fell into the hands of ISIS...
That, and about 100 other problems...
They do nothing but talk... make headlines... but nothing ever actually changes, and no one even gets fired.
Its like Benghazi... which they will never get to the bottom of because the GOP leadership KNEW the CIA annex there was illegally buying guns there, and shipping them through Turkey to Syria, where they then fell into the hands of ISIS...
Posted by: BB Wolf at July 22, 2015 03:04 PM (qh617)
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Basically my feelings too. He didn't even try for $100 billion. His opening move was $60 billion.
It was an outright lie to win the election.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:02 PM (m9wUQ)
OUTRIGHT!
I remember Boehner walking back his "pledge" literally within a few days of the election. Way before the new class was sworn in.
"well, maybe 100 billion over 5 years. Or 60 billion in the first year in cuts to the rate of growth. Or... well, we'll work it out."
EXCUSE ME? We just got your ass elected and you're attitude is "well, that was an unrealistic promise anyways. You never should have taken us seriously. We need the Senate if we're going to actually cut anything."
Then they won the Senate and it's "oooh, well, you know -- we were being a little hyperbolic. We really need the Presidency, plus a super majority in the Senate, plus the House, plus on call hookers 24/7 to really be able to change anything"
So... fuck them.
It was an outright lie to win the election.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:02 PM (m9wUQ)
OUTRIGHT!
I remember Boehner walking back his "pledge" literally within a few days of the election. Way before the new class was sworn in.
"well, maybe 100 billion over 5 years. Or 60 billion in the first year in cuts to the rate of growth. Or... well, we'll work it out."
EXCUSE ME? We just got your ass elected and you're attitude is "well, that was an unrealistic promise anyways. You never should have taken us seriously. We need the Senate if we're going to actually cut anything."
Then they won the Senate and it's "oooh, well, you know -- we were being a little hyperbolic. We really need the Presidency, plus a super majority in the Senate, plus the House, plus on call hookers 24/7 to really be able to change anything"
So... fuck them.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:04 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Strawmen United for Butthurt at July 22, 2015 03:04 PM (cNtqS)
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Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 22, 2015 02:59 PM (1CroS)
Yup.
You know a tree by its fruit and a dog by its fart.
Crush all threats to the Machine.
Yup.
You know a tree by its fruit and a dog by its fart.
Crush all threats to the Machine.
Posted by: eman at July 22, 2015 03:05 PM (MQEz6)
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>>It tickles the FUCK out of me to see how the GOPe is shitting itself over this
Yes, their pain is almost unbearable. I hope it lasts.
Yes, their pain is almost unbearable. I hope it lasts.
Posted by: V the K at July 22, 2015 03:05 PM (O7MnT)
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The hamsters must be hung over today.
Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at July 22, 2015 03:05 PM (RD7QR)
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Posted by: Strawmen United for Butthurt at July 22, 2015 03:04 PM (cNtqS)
He was losing the argument badly, so he lashed out.
He was losing the argument badly, so he lashed out.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:05 PM (m9wUQ)
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@234 The Congress has no power to prosecute anyone. This is why getting a Republican in the White House and appointing a new AG is key to what you say you want.
But, by all means, undermine anybody who is trying to do anything in the mean-time. Congress is doing what Congress has the power to do in these matters.
But, by all means, undermine anybody who is trying to do anything in the mean-time. Congress is doing what Congress has the power to do in these matters.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 03:06 PM (ljZD2)
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I could give a shit about the Republicans anymore.
Posted by: Moderate Salami
I couldn't . I think more highly of my shit .
Posted by: Moderate Salami
I couldn't . I think more highly of my shit .
Posted by: Strawmen United for Butthurt at July 22, 2015 03:06 PM (cNtqS)
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I was checking out Ace's twitter, and he linked this.
worth it, every single word of it
https://twitter.com/acooray/status/623897824556621824
I was checking out Ace's twitter, and he linked this.
worth it, every single word of it
https://twitter.com/acooray/status/623897824556621824
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 22, 2015 03:06 PM (qCMvj)
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by people who actually have to win a majority of the votes to keep their job.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy
And that's the important thing, right?
That they keep their jobs?
Gotta keep them in those wonderfully remunerated jobs with the perks that would put Roman emperors to shame. Gotta keep full employment on K-Street. Would want those precious dears to have to fight it out in the private sector without being tits-deep in taxpayer and foreign donors money, right?
That's the important thing.
Yeah, ok.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy
And that's the important thing, right?
That they keep their jobs?
Gotta keep them in those wonderfully remunerated jobs with the perks that would put Roman emperors to shame. Gotta keep full employment on K-Street. Would want those precious dears to have to fight it out in the private sector without being tits-deep in taxpayer and foreign donors money, right?
That's the important thing.
Yeah, ok.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 22, 2015 03:06 PM (VY8H5)
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Let's see, our current relationship is unsatisfying so we're looking for outside options.
We need a political Ashley Madison. Minus the hacking.
We need a political Ashley Madison. Minus the hacking.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 22, 2015 03:06 PM (2l5vw)
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carly nailed it....instead of the gop eating their own....go after hillary....hello......gop....are you listening?
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 22, 2015 03:07 PM (0O7c5)
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butthurt sock off
Posted by: some random meathead at July 22, 2015 03:07 PM (cNtqS)
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Also, over 100 posts, just say what you want about Walker or Cruz or Fiorina or Jindal or whatever. Be a rebel!
Or just keep storing water and food and ammo until the next economic collapse, it's gonna be a doozy, and there's another topic that is seeing fuck-all done.
I remember being really excited by some of the tiny progress made on that front in the late 90s, but it got buried under waste and propaganda and war and mad spending and, well, ultimately it was like a parachute that opened for a few seconds, you sighed in relief, and then a bunch of politicians panicked and cut the cords and we started falling again.
I'm not sure we have another parachute.
Or just keep storing water and food and ammo until the next economic collapse, it's gonna be a doozy, and there's another topic that is seeing fuck-all done.
I remember being really excited by some of the tiny progress made on that front in the late 90s, but it got buried under waste and propaganda and war and mad spending and, well, ultimately it was like a parachute that opened for a few seconds, you sighed in relief, and then a bunch of politicians panicked and cut the cords and we started falling again.
I'm not sure we have another parachute.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 22, 2015 03:07 PM (bLnSU)
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Then they won the Senate and it's "oooh, well, you know -- we were being a little hyperbolic. We really need the Presidency, plus a super majority in the Senate, plus the House, plus on call hookers 24/7 to really be able to change anything"
You guys didn't get the on call hookers 24/7? Dopes!
You guys didn't get the on call hookers 24/7? Dopes!
Posted by: Senator Menendez at July 22, 2015 03:07 PM (2Ocf1)
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Senate Republicans have done exactly zero to reform public sector unions.
Walker may not be a giant, but the rest of the field are midgets.
Posted by: V the K at July 22, 2015 03:00 PM (O7MnT)
I'm taking a second look at John Kasich....
He's been both a Legislator, and a Governor...
Walker may not be a giant, but the rest of the field are midgets.
Posted by: V the K at July 22, 2015 03:00 PM (O7MnT)
I'm taking a second look at John Kasich....
He's been both a Legislator, and a Governor...
Posted by: BB Wolf at July 22, 2015 03:07 PM (qh617)
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"They ran in 2010 on '100 billion in real cuts in year one' then
before the new class even got sworn in they were walking that back."
Remember John Boehner, during the "fiscal cliff" negotiations, walking into the Oval Office and telling Obama he was ready to sign on to a staggering 800 billion dollars in new federal taxes, and asking Obama what he was going to get in return?
And Obama smirking and saying, "Nothing. I get that for free."
At which point Boehner rolled over on his back and gave Obama everything he wanted. Not even the pretense of resistance.
Why in the world should we even bother to show up to vote for these Republican losers? They can't negotiate their way out of a soggy paper bag. Ridiculous invertebrates.
before the new class even got sworn in they were walking that back."
Remember John Boehner, during the "fiscal cliff" negotiations, walking into the Oval Office and telling Obama he was ready to sign on to a staggering 800 billion dollars in new federal taxes, and asking Obama what he was going to get in return?
And Obama smirking and saying, "Nothing. I get that for free."
At which point Boehner rolled over on his back and gave Obama everything he wanted. Not even the pretense of resistance.
Why in the world should we even bother to show up to vote for these Republican losers? They can't negotiate their way out of a soggy paper bag. Ridiculous invertebrates.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 22, 2015 03:07 PM (noWW6)
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Put up or, well, you know...
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 22, 2015 03:03 PM (xSCb6)
I can come up with one example, but it wasn't really republicans who did it -- they helped, but it was the more "libertarian / independent" types (some of who run as Republicans, but vote like the Squishy Maine sisters) who led the charge --
Maine repealing their concealed carry law and becoming "constitutional carry"
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 22, 2015 03:03 PM (xSCb6)
I can come up with one example, but it wasn't really republicans who did it -- they helped, but it was the more "libertarian / independent" types (some of who run as Republicans, but vote like the Squishy Maine sisters) who led the charge --
Maine repealing their concealed carry law and becoming "constitutional carry"
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:07 PM (AkOaV)
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@238 You put those two things high on your priority list, not me, Chief. If the shoe fits, you ought to wear that motherfucker.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 03:08 PM (ljZD2)
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I remember Boehner walking back his "pledge" literally within a few days of the election. Way before the new class was sworn in. well, maybe 100 billion over 5 years. Or 60 billion in the first year in cuts to the rate of growth. Or... well, we'll work it out."
It's why some of us have become disillusioned with "compromise" and "bipartisanship."
Democrats always want to spend more. Republicans say they want to cut spending. The compromise is ALWAYS to spend more but not as much as Democrats want; NEVER to cut but not as much as conservatives would like.
It's why some of us have become disillusioned with "compromise" and "bipartisanship."
Democrats always want to spend more. Republicans say they want to cut spending. The compromise is ALWAYS to spend more but not as much as Democrats want; NEVER to cut but not as much as conservatives would like.
Posted by: V the K at July 22, 2015 03:08 PM (O7MnT)
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Why in the world should we even bother to show up to vote for these Republican losers? They can't negotiate their way out of a soggy paper bag. Ridiculous invertebrates.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 22, 2015 03:07 PM (noWW6)
Oh, they're able to negotiate when they really want to. Remember TARP? Bi partisanship!
Or Boehner slipping in some partial repeals of derivative laws in Dodd Frank? That was a hill to die on for them!
But everything else...
Posted by: torquewrench at July 22, 2015 03:07 PM (noWW6)
Oh, they're able to negotiate when they really want to. Remember TARP? Bi partisanship!
Or Boehner slipping in some partial repeals of derivative laws in Dodd Frank? That was a hill to die on for them!
But everything else...
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:09 PM (AkOaV)
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So this is a "thinking" "Intellectual" Thread? Hey how about them Knicks?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 22, 2015 03:09 PM (DUoqb)
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BTW, notice how little has been done with the IRS targeting of the TEA Party?
Remember how mad the President was about it, and now he says, dindu nuffin.
So, you have to love that.
Who you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?
Remember how mad the President was about it, and now he says, dindu nuffin.
So, you have to love that.
Who you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?
Posted by: blaster at July 22, 2015 03:10 PM (2Ocf1)
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People talk about this in terms of huge awe as though Walker had decertified every last public union in cheese country or something. It's just not that big a deal.
Um, are you on crack? Oh, and also, WI is completely right to work now, which it wasn't before.
Oh, and also, 20 week abortion ban just signed. I think there was also something about him defunding planned parenthood (no more state money?). Oh, and also, CCW is now legal in WI, and no more handgun waiting period.
In WISCONSIN (which would normally be considered a safe area for the commies, while constantly running forre-election and facing down huge gangs of thugs outside (and inside) the capitol building.
Yeah, you're right, not a big deal.
Um, are you on crack? Oh, and also, WI is completely right to work now, which it wasn't before.
Oh, and also, 20 week abortion ban just signed. I think there was also something about him defunding planned parenthood (no more state money?). Oh, and also, CCW is now legal in WI, and no more handgun waiting period.
In WISCONSIN (which would normally be considered a safe area for the commies, while constantly running forre-election and facing down huge gangs of thugs outside (and inside) the capitol building.
Yeah, you're right, not a big deal.
Posted by: GMan at July 22, 2015 03:10 PM (sxq57)
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***"Christie and Kasich accomplished exactly zero reforms to public sector unions."***
Come on, at least Christie gave us some good youtube clips!
His rise to popularity was on that alone. Sound familiar? He talked a great game, took on the right people, effectively destroyed them rhetorically.
But in the end, it's results that matter. He didn't achieve them and he was revealed to be a rub-of-the-mill northeast liberal.
Come on, at least Christie gave us some good youtube clips!
His rise to popularity was on that alone. Sound familiar? He talked a great game, took on the right people, effectively destroyed them rhetorically.
But in the end, it's results that matter. He didn't achieve them and he was revealed to be a rub-of-the-mill northeast liberal.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 22, 2015 03:10 PM (xSCb6)
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So, trumpetdaddy, you are confirming what any Beltway veteran almost instantly recognized - you are in fact a Beltway mediocrity who is so clueless he cites the interest in keeping *his* own job as a reason to take him seriously? Pretty funny, but sad.
And for an insider you sure don't evidence much understanding of politics, legislation, or constitutional process. The GOP since its House majority was dropped into its hands in 2010 (for which it did virtually nothing, just stood there as the opposition party and benefitted from a justified limited national freak-out), has hardly broken a sweat to use even well-established tools to influence events and shape discussion.
If you actually understood anything about appropriations, Senate rules, and politics, you'd know what I'm talking about.
So, trumpetdaddy, you are confirming what any Beltway veteran almost instantly recognized - you are in fact a Beltway mediocrity who is so clueless he cites the interest in keeping *his* own job as a reason to take him seriously? Pretty funny, but sad.
And for an insider you sure don't evidence much understanding of politics, legislation, or constitutional process. The GOP since its House majority was dropped into its hands in 2010 (for which it did virtually nothing, just stood there as the opposition party and benefitted from a justified limited national freak-out), has hardly broken a sweat to use even well-established tools to influence events and shape discussion.
If you actually understood anything about appropriations, Senate rules, and politics, you'd know what I'm talking about.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 22, 2015 03:10 PM (QDnY+)
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259 @238 You put those two things high on your priority list, not me, Chief. If the shoe fits, you ought to wear that motherfucker.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 03:08 PM (ljZD2)
And this is why people who have supported the party for years are bailing out.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 03:08 PM (ljZD2)
And this is why people who have supported the party for years are bailing out.
Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at July 22, 2015 03:10 PM (RD7QR)
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Baaaah bah bop bop banana man bahhhh bop....
He spent his twenty between the sheets
Life limped along at subsonic speeds
He's Trump, he's Trump, he's in my head
He's Trump, he's Trump, he might be dead
Is this Trump out of my head, I think so
He spent his twenty between the sheets
Life limped along at subsonic speeds
He's Trump, he's Trump, he's in my head
He's Trump, he's Trump, he might be dead
Is this Trump out of my head, I think so
Posted by: Obama and Carter, singing a duet at July 22, 2015 03:10 PM (E5UB0)
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259 @238 You put those two things high on your priority list, not me, Chief. If the shoe fits, you ought to wear that motherfucker.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 03:08 PM (ljZD2)
Because I supported laws passed by Republicans like Mike Pence, which they rolled back due to cowardice and pressure?
Because I agree with Nikki Haley on 2014 when she thought the flag was okay?
But hey, this was always going to end in a personal attack on me. It's all you guys have: browbeating and insults.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 03:08 PM (ljZD2)
Because I supported laws passed by Republicans like Mike Pence, which they rolled back due to cowardice and pressure?
Because I agree with Nikki Haley on 2014 when she thought the flag was okay?
But hey, this was always going to end in a personal attack on me. It's all you guys have: browbeating and insults.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:11 PM (m9wUQ)
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So trumpetdaddy, now that you have beaten the shit out of most available strawmen and successfully tilted at windmills, put false words in other's mouths and made sweeping indictments of all conservatives as a whole, please tell us-
Who is your guy and what are YOUR top issues on your priority list?
Who is your guy and what are YOUR top issues on your priority list?
Posted by: some random meathead at July 22, 2015 03:11 PM (cNtqS)
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If nothing else, this "rinsed penis" is going to stick around.
Somebody had to call him that in college.
Somebody had to call him that in college.
Posted by: Valiant at July 22, 2015 03:11 PM (2bqlb)
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Okay, I wan't gonna say troll, but Imma say troll now.
And that's the thing, the trolls end up setting the conversation, and not just on blogs, in the MFM and in the party as well.
The biggest, pushiest, rudest, crassest asshole wins.
Which is why history is a series of mind-bendingly stupid clusterfucks, occasionally interrupted by peace and prosperity, when the assholes glutton themselves into a coma.
And that's the thing, the trolls end up setting the conversation, and not just on blogs, in the MFM and in the party as well.
The biggest, pushiest, rudest, crassest asshole wins.
Which is why history is a series of mind-bendingly stupid clusterfucks, occasionally interrupted by peace and prosperity, when the assholes glutton themselves into a coma.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 22, 2015 03:11 PM (bLnSU)
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I was certain he would spend his time convincing us how special Jeb is. Just like he did with Romney.
I liked Romney up until he stopped fighting after the first debate in 2012. If he had kept going the way he was prior to that I think he could've won by an impressive margin.
I liked Romney up until he stopped fighting after the first debate in 2012. If he had kept going the way he was prior to that I think he could've won by an impressive margin.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 22, 2015 03:11 PM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 22, 2015 03:11 PM (xSCb6)
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- "crazies," "hobbits," "wacko birds,"
Let's add "Morons" to that list.
time to search the content for blago-skull.
Let's add "Morons" to that list.
time to search the content for blago-skull.
Posted by: DaveA at July 22, 2015 03:11 PM (DL2i+)
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Rush was referencing this today, I don't know if it was Lewis' piece specifically, but he was saying that people (as in journalists) don't get him for reporting on Trump. Because he doesn't denounce Trump, he is seen as a Trump defender. When instead he is just reporting on it.
Posted by: blaster at July 22, 2015 03:11 PM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: Carly Fiorina at July 22, 2015 03:12 PM (OiFtZ)
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246 @234 The Congress has no power to prosecute anyone. This is why getting a Republican in the White House and appointing a new AG is key to what you say you want.
But, by all means, undermine anybody who is trying to do anything in the mean-time. Congress is doing what Congress has the power to do in these matters.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 03:06 PM (ljZD2)
Horse shit...
The Republicans can IMPEACH any sitting Official.
They can kick them out of office.
I would say that the head of ICE telling Congress YESTERDAY that she would not enforce the law on Sanctuary cities (it is still a felony to perform an act to knowingly help an illegal stay in this country, which is the very definition of a Vote for Sanctuary)... would be an abrogation of her Oath of office, AND an act which is in itself a Felony... ie a Conspiracy to bypass Federal law.
They could impeach her in a heartbeat...
Hell, they could go after Lois Lerner's retirement (impeach her).. but won't.
But, by all means, undermine anybody who is trying to do anything in the mean-time. Congress is doing what Congress has the power to do in these matters.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 03:06 PM (ljZD2)
Horse shit...
The Republicans can IMPEACH any sitting Official.
They can kick them out of office.
I would say that the head of ICE telling Congress YESTERDAY that she would not enforce the law on Sanctuary cities (it is still a felony to perform an act to knowingly help an illegal stay in this country, which is the very definition of a Vote for Sanctuary)... would be an abrogation of her Oath of office, AND an act which is in itself a Felony... ie a Conspiracy to bypass Federal law.
They could impeach her in a heartbeat...
Hell, they could go after Lois Lerner's retirement (impeach her).. but won't.
Posted by: BB Wolf at July 22, 2015 03:12 PM (qh617)
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>>Maine repealing their concealed carry law and becoming "constitutional carry"
You should really look closer at Walker's record. The multiple laws he signed cutting public sector union power in voting and forced dues are extremely damaging to the left and their self-serving union partners. If he could replicate this in DC the changes would be enormous.
At least as conservative as passing gun laws in a state where guns are everywhere.
You should really look closer at Walker's record. The multiple laws he signed cutting public sector union power in voting and forced dues are extremely damaging to the left and their self-serving union partners. If he could replicate this in DC the changes would be enormous.
At least as conservative as passing gun laws in a state where guns are everywhere.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:13 PM (OGm46)
Posted by: some random meathead at July 22, 2015 03:13 PM (cNtqS)
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257
"They ran in 2010 on '100 billion in real cuts in year one' then
before the new class even got sworn in they were walking that back."
Remember
John Boehner, during the "fiscal cliff" negotiations, walking into the
Oval Office and telling Obama he was ready to sign on to a staggering
800 billion dollars in new federal taxes, and asking Obama what he was
going to get in return?
And Obama smirking and saying, "Nothing. I get that for free."
At which point Boehner rolled over on his back and gave Obama everything he wanted. Not even the pretense of resistance.
Why
in the world should we even bother to show up to vote for these
Republican losers? They can't negotiate their way out of a soggy paper
bag. Ridiculous invertebrates.
Posted by: torquewrench
From your keyboard to God's ear.
"They ran in 2010 on '100 billion in real cuts in year one' then
before the new class even got sworn in they were walking that back."
Remember
John Boehner, during the "fiscal cliff" negotiations, walking into the
Oval Office and telling Obama he was ready to sign on to a staggering
800 billion dollars in new federal taxes, and asking Obama what he was
going to get in return?
And Obama smirking and saying, "Nothing. I get that for free."
At which point Boehner rolled over on his back and gave Obama everything he wanted. Not even the pretense of resistance.
Why
in the world should we even bother to show up to vote for these
Republican losers? They can't negotiate their way out of a soggy paper
bag. Ridiculous invertebrates.
Posted by: torquewrench
From your keyboard to God's ear.
Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at July 22, 2015 03:13 PM (DlmoZ)
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@265 You're wasting your time with some of these idiots. They want somebody who will call Obama bad names. That's how they measure success.
Somebody who actually completely changes the political culture 180 degrees in his state, enacting every conservative wet dream policy, and dominates the Democrats like they are his bitches, yeah, that's too "boring" and not "exciting" enough.
Somebody who actually completely changes the political culture 180 degrees in his state, enacting every conservative wet dream policy, and dominates the Democrats like they are his bitches, yeah, that's too "boring" and not "exciting" enough.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 03:13 PM (ljZD2)
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Posted by: rhomboid at July 22, 2015 03:10 PM (QDnY+)
If you haven't realized by now, most people in DC Are not very smart and are motivated by power and influence.
Hollywood for the ugly. With lots of star fucking.
It's all a game to them. They don't realize or care how their fiddlefuckery affects real people.
If you haven't realized by now, most people in DC Are not very smart and are motivated by power and influence.
Hollywood for the ugly. With lots of star fucking.
It's all a game to them. They don't realize or care how their fiddlefuckery affects real people.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:14 PM (AkOaV)
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Rush has done more for the conservative movement than anyone, but I don't get his "defense" of Trump, and let's not split hairs, it is a defense. Trump is not and never has been a conservative or a Republican or even a Rhino. He's his own party, and he has given freely to liberals.
Yes he's right about illegal immigration, and some get a thrill hearing him pop off all the time, and while I do believe people are tired of the media, ask yourself this question? Does the media WANT Trump to bow out of the race?
No fucking way.
Yes he's right about illegal immigration, and some get a thrill hearing him pop off all the time, and while I do believe people are tired of the media, ask yourself this question? Does the media WANT Trump to bow out of the race?
No fucking way.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 22, 2015 03:14 PM (Ozyu/)
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Methinks Trump represents the only hill to die on for GOPe.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 22, 2015 03:14 PM (oDCMR)
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I don't know why this is so hard to figure out. This is between Jeb and the Donald now and anybody else is just a distraction. The establishment will never allow Walker, Cruz or anybody else to win the nomination. It comes down to Florida and then a few other big states and the little guys don't have what it takes to compete there. The only chance we have to beat the establishment is Trump.
You can hate on him all you want, but if you watch his speeches you come away feeling that he does have passion and a broad understanding of the issues. He has guts, he is competent, and he loves this country. What else can we ask for right now? Anecdotally I'm hearing from people with Dem relatives who say they will vote for him. He can win the general and Jeb can't.
Trump 2016!
You can hate on him all you want, but if you watch his speeches you come away feeling that he does have passion and a broad understanding of the issues. He has guts, he is competent, and he loves this country. What else can we ask for right now? Anecdotally I'm hearing from people with Dem relatives who say they will vote for him. He can win the general and Jeb can't.
Trump 2016!
Posted by: Galadriel at July 22, 2015 03:14 PM (TkOOR)
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>>At which point Boehner rolled over on his back and gave Obama everything he wanted.
I did not!
I got down on my hands and knees and took it in the shitter like the panty waist excuse for a man I am.
I did not!
I got down on my hands and knees and took it in the shitter like the panty waist excuse for a man I am.
Posted by: John Boehner at July 22, 2015 03:15 PM (c7vUv)
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Oh, won't you people think of poor Eric Cantor~!
He hasn't had a decent meal at The Inn in weeks!! That's what a corporate expense account reduces you to.
And the tragic moment when he had to reach into his own pocket with his own hand to retrieve the corporate card ...
Unbearable.
He hasn't had a decent meal at The Inn in weeks!! That's what a corporate expense account reduces you to.
And the tragic moment when he had to reach into his own pocket with his own hand to retrieve the corporate card ...
Unbearable.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 22, 2015 03:15 PM (VY8H5)
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At least as conservative as passing gun laws in a state where guns are everywhere.
Which Walker *also* did. When he took office there *WASN'T* conceal carry in WI. There is now, and he just removed the waiting period for handguns in the state.
Which Walker *also* did. When he took office there *WASN'T* conceal carry in WI. There is now, and he just removed the waiting period for handguns in the state.
Posted by: GMan at July 22, 2015 03:16 PM (sxq57)
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Also, Trump appeals to LIVs on both sides of the aisle and also to people who have never voted. Nearly everyone around me who "likes" Trump is a Democrat non-voter LIV.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 22, 2015 03:16 PM (Ozyu/)
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The gopetroll says we haven't put the magic number of gopes in office yet and until we do the gopes can't do nuffin.
Jesus, Joseph, and Mary.
Jesus, Joseph, and Mary.
Posted by: eman at July 22, 2015 03:16 PM (MQEz6)
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@279 How many votes in a Senate trial does it take to remove an executive branch official from office after an impeachment in the House? How many votes do the Republicans have in the Senate? Are those the same number of votes?
Just three quick questions that undermine your entire rant.
Just three quick questions that undermine your entire rant.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 03:16 PM (ljZD2)
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"I liked Romney up until he stopped fighting after the first debate in 2012."
In the nick of time for Obama, his campaign oppo research crew found Mitt's carefully concealed second and third families.
In the nick of time for Obama, his campaign oppo research crew found Mitt's carefully concealed second and third families.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 22, 2015 03:17 PM (noWW6)
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So if Trump states that there should be a path to citizenship for 'law-abiding' Illegals ( oxymoron ) already here , is he done?
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 22, 2015 03:17 PM (B7Uun)
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Somebody who actually completely changes the political culture 180
degrees in his state, enacting every conservative wet dream policy,
So Walker? I guess?
Or I guess you could still be re-fighting the Romney Wars...
Now. Top issues?
degrees in his state, enacting every conservative wet dream policy,
So Walker? I guess?
Or I guess you could still be re-fighting the Romney Wars...
Now. Top issues?
Posted by: some random meathead at July 22, 2015 03:17 PM (cNtqS)
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288
>>At which point Boehner rolled over on his back and gave Obama everything he wanted.
I did not!
I got down on my hands and knees and took it in the shitter like the panty waist excuse for a man I am.
And I loved every inch of it
>>At which point Boehner rolled over on his back and gave Obama everything he wanted.
I did not!
I got down on my hands and knees and took it in the shitter like the panty waist excuse for a man I am.
And I loved every inch of it
Posted by: John Boehner bent over at July 22, 2015 03:17 PM (DlmoZ)
Posted by: Humongous Ears at July 22, 2015 03:17 PM (7wyDO)
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Exactly, kneecap him and every other one of those crony corporation/financial bonzo types who want the U.S. government to take care of their bottom lines by importing cheap, cheap labor -- and by permitting them to issue debt as equity -- thereby assuring that all other developing-world countries go to rot (their citizens are abandoning them post haste to come here where the same thing will be happening). Kneecap him and whack his bottom until the next election. He and his kind are the crazies, especially when they permit a sociopath -- who is destroying all American equity in every form, with glee (God damn America) -- to be the one to do their bidding.
If Trump is the only one yelling the truth, then Trump it is. That is the only sane answer in today's world of crony corp/govt piggie elites/financial slobs/academic marxist crazies.
If Trump is the only one yelling the truth, then Trump it is. That is the only sane answer in today's world of crony corp/govt piggie elites/financial slobs/academic marxist crazies.
Posted by: pyromancer76 at July 22, 2015 03:18 PM (zvcr8)
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At what point do they begin to even consider the possibility that 25% of the party (and rising!) might have something useful to contribute to the discussion?
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And what would that be, except for raging against everybody who favors "amnesty" (i.e. everybody who is running for office)?
Mr. Trump isnt contributing anything useful to the debate and if you support someone like that, people wont think of you as a person who values serious contributions to political debates.
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And what would that be, except for raging against everybody who favors "amnesty" (i.e. everybody who is running for office)?
Mr. Trump isnt contributing anything useful to the debate and if you support someone like that, people wont think of you as a person who values serious contributions to political debates.
Posted by: Begonia at July 22, 2015 03:18 PM (IROR1)
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There is no talking to these Trumpbots. They ARE fucking stupid.
Yeah, the GOP establishment sucks. But how does one go from hating Boehner, McConnell, and Jeb to supporting an assclown like Trump, when there are other candidates like Ted Cruz running?
Yeah, the GOP establishment sucks. But how does one go from hating Boehner, McConnell, and Jeb to supporting an assclown like Trump, when there are other candidates like Ted Cruz running?
Posted by: DRayRaven at July 22, 2015 03:18 PM (9YRwm)
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carly nailed it....instead of the gop eating their own....go after hillary....hello......gop....are you listening?
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 22, 2015 03:07 PM (0O7c5)
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Perhaps Carly is forgetting that this is the primaries. She should be focusing what she think's is best for the country compared to the other repub candidates.
And for that matter, anyway. No one has trashed the Baraka regime like Trump has. The immigration issue alone has left some deep cuts on the regime (and I'm including the RINOs).
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 22, 2015 03:07 PM (0O7c5)
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Perhaps Carly is forgetting that this is the primaries. She should be focusing what she think's is best for the country compared to the other repub candidates.
And for that matter, anyway. No one has trashed the Baraka regime like Trump has. The immigration issue alone has left some deep cuts on the regime (and I'm including the RINOs).
Posted by: Soona at July 22, 2015 03:18 PM (P25Hh)
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I KNEW there was a joke in Reince Preibus' name.
Rinsed Penis it is.
What a failure. He's turned out to be almost as big a one as Steele.
Rinsed Penis it is.
What a failure. He's turned out to be almost as big a one as Steele.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 22, 2015 03:18 PM (x3GpS)
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Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 03:06 PM (ljZD2)
Okay, now I know you don't actually work in DC.
Of course the House can prosecute people. It's called 'contempt of congress'.
Why do you think they have a House jail (which, unfortunately, is no longer used)?
Okay, now I know you don't actually work in DC.
Of course the House can prosecute people. It's called 'contempt of congress'.
Why do you think they have a House jail (which, unfortunately, is no longer used)?
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:18 PM (AkOaV)
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#287...Thanks, had me up and cheering. We will take the less than perfect , the uncomfortable, to stop this Uni-Party/Failure Theater aka known as the GOPe...and their Dem accomplices.
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at July 22, 2015 03:19 PM (7GI9v)
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Fighting the spending Leviathan is very difficult. Every little ricebowl has a vocal constituency who will fight for their scraps.
Cut the input side, shrink the pie. Make them fight each other for table scraps. While we eat more popcorn.
End Withholding, cut taxes, and starve the beast.
We need to embrace Trump, let him make Immigration an issue; but be prepared to shed no tears when he flames out.
Cut the input side, shrink the pie. Make them fight each other for table scraps. While we eat more popcorn.
End Withholding, cut taxes, and starve the beast.
We need to embrace Trump, let him make Immigration an issue; but be prepared to shed no tears when he flames out.
Posted by: Jean at July 22, 2015 03:20 PM (ztOda)
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*Trabajo, por favor.*
Posted by: Rice'n Prebuster at July 22, 2015 03:20 PM (VY8H5)
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The gopetroll says we haven't put the magic number of gopes in office yet and until we do the gopes can't do nuffin.
Jesus, Joseph, and Mary.
Just imagine what the GOP could do with both Houses and the Presidency.
The gopetroll says we haven't put the magic number of gopes in office yet and until we do the gopes can't do nuffin.
Jesus, Joseph, and Mary.
Just imagine what the GOP could do with both Houses and the Presidency.
Posted by: some random meathead at July 22, 2015 03:20 PM (cNtqS)
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At least as conservative as passing gun laws in a state where guns are everywhere.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:13 PM (OGm46)
I'm not against Walker, per se, I'm just saying I don't think he's some kind of Conservative warrior. Time will tell.
And I was stretching with the Maine thing. Trumpetwhatever was trying to say how many great laws R legislators had passed, it was the best I could come up with.
Same legislature that passed same sex marriage (by a vote, not by courts, for a change) and medical marijuana laws (with very few restrictions).
Maine's a weird state. Libertarianish with a good dose of welfare cases and old people who want govt checks.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:13 PM (OGm46)
I'm not against Walker, per se, I'm just saying I don't think he's some kind of Conservative warrior. Time will tell.
And I was stretching with the Maine thing. Trumpetwhatever was trying to say how many great laws R legislators had passed, it was the best I could come up with.
Same legislature that passed same sex marriage (by a vote, not by courts, for a change) and medical marijuana laws (with very few restrictions).
Maine's a weird state. Libertarianish with a good dose of welfare cases and old people who want govt checks.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:21 PM (AkOaV)
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So this is circular firing squad day?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 22, 2015 03:21 PM (DUoqb)
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Just imagine what the GOP could do with both Houses and the Presidency.
Posted by: some random meathead
*imagining, shudders*
Just imagine what the GOP could do with both Houses and the Presidency.
Posted by: some random meathead
*imagining, shudders*
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 22, 2015 03:21 PM (/Ho8c)
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Well for God sake. We need someone to step up. ANYONE to step up and smother the leading R candidate because other people don't like him!!
Posted by: Drider at July 22, 2015 03:21 PM (DNFK1)
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rrpjr: "But Trey Gowdy puts on such a good show, doesn't he?"
Yep. It's great spectacle, lotta sound and fury signifying nothing.
As always, they want the issue, not the solution. That's how illegal aliens, for example, and all the turmoil such enabling policies produce can still be a problem after 30-something years.
Yep. It's great spectacle, lotta sound and fury signifying nothing.
As always, they want the issue, not the solution. That's how illegal aliens, for example, and all the turmoil such enabling policies produce can still be a problem after 30-something years.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 22, 2015 03:21 PM (1CroS)
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With all of this Trump bashing, a thought popped into mind.
At least he is the only candidate who has FIRED someone. And looking at the state of DC right now, I'd say there are ample cases of where people should have been fired.
At least he is the only candidate who has FIRED someone. And looking at the state of DC right now, I'd say there are ample cases of where people should have been fired.
Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at July 22, 2015 03:22 PM (DlmoZ)
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Rush listeners are probably better informed than most, but I only hear him via the bloggers that talk about him. Talk radio works for conservatives because they can talk with depth, while Franken can only do talking points, and extended talk only makes the leftist argument fall apart.
The IL18 recent election showed the bloggers well informed, but without sufficient numbers to run off the RINOs that play only against the collectivist MSM. So LIV conservatives play it safe by voting RINO, but more are understanding they are being played. Trump plays to that frustration in bombastic fashion, but without offering well developed solutions.
Hopefully that breaks some ground that the real conservatives can plant into. But it is probably better to have Trump make the more outrageous statements to get the national conversation going, since such over the top language might harm the others in the general. Rush and others are glad these topics are getting national attention, and the real whacko birds (RINOs and La Raza nuts) are being drawn out in the open.
The IL18 recent election showed the bloggers well informed, but without sufficient numbers to run off the RINOs that play only against the collectivist MSM. So LIV conservatives play it safe by voting RINO, but more are understanding they are being played. Trump plays to that frustration in bombastic fashion, but without offering well developed solutions.
Hopefully that breaks some ground that the real conservatives can plant into. But it is probably better to have Trump make the more outrageous statements to get the national conversation going, since such over the top language might harm the others in the general. Rush and others are glad these topics are getting national attention, and the real whacko birds (RINOs and La Raza nuts) are being drawn out in the open.
Posted by: Illiniwek at July 22, 2015 03:22 PM (6zZ5y)
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>>Somebody who actually completely changes the political culture 180 degrees in his state, enacting every conservative wet dream policy,
I have found that people who quickly resort to straw men and masturbatory imagery in a discussion of politics are seldom arguing in good faith.
I have found that people who quickly resort to straw men and masturbatory imagery in a discussion of politics are seldom arguing in good faith.
Posted by: V the K at July 22, 2015 03:22 PM (O7MnT)
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@304 Yeah, and Eric Holder is sitting in that jail, yes?
Oh, he's not? Why don't you ask yourself why.
Oh, he's not? Why don't you ask yourself why.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 03:22 PM (ljZD2)
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>>Maine's a weird state. Libertarianish with a good dose of welfare cases and old people who want govt checks.
Yep. Lived there. Guns are a birthright to Mainiacs just like they are in Vermont. Ask Bernie Sanders who is a communist who just happens to support guns for some unknown reason.
Yep. Lived there. Guns are a birthright to Mainiacs just like they are in Vermont. Ask Bernie Sanders who is a communist who just happens to support guns for some unknown reason.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:22 PM (OGm46)
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The House can still prosecute - thru the Committee of the Whole. Would need a Speaker with Balls to do it.
Best course would be to use it to nail someone everyone hates, that would loosen things up for going after the rest of the scum.
Best course would be to use it to nail someone everyone hates, that would loosen things up for going after the rest of the scum.
Posted by: Jean at July 22, 2015 03:23 PM (ztOda)
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310 So this is circular firing squad day?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 22, 2015 03:21 PM (DUoqb)
Rapey Tuesday was yesterday. We gotta do something.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 22, 2015 03:21 PM (DUoqb)
Rapey Tuesday was yesterday. We gotta do something.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at July 22, 2015 03:23 PM (vgIRn)
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295 So if Trump states that there should be a path to citizenship for 'law-abiding' Illegals ( oxymoron ) already here , is he done?
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 22, 2015 03:17 PM (B7Uun)
Again, I think people like Trump more on style than on substance.
I look at it this way: all politicians are crass opportunists like Trump. Trump embodies DC. It hits a little too close to home for some in DC.
Trump just doesn't give a shit about hiding it. Also, I'd rather have him in the tent pissing out on to the people I hate then outside of the tent pissing in on me.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 22, 2015 03:17 PM (B7Uun)
Again, I think people like Trump more on style than on substance.
I look at it this way: all politicians are crass opportunists like Trump. Trump embodies DC. It hits a little too close to home for some in DC.
Trump just doesn't give a shit about hiding it. Also, I'd rather have him in the tent pissing out on to the people I hate then outside of the tent pissing in on me.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:23 PM (AkOaV)
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***"I liked Romney up until he stopped fighting after
the first debate in 2012. If he had kept going the way he was prior to
that I think he could've won by an impressive margin."
Posted by: Ian S. at July 22, 2015 03:11 PM (B/VB5)***
Living in FL at the time I kept waiting to see some Romney ads hit the airwaves to counter Obama's carpet bombing campaign. And I waited, and waited.
After I expressed my concern over Romney's seeming lack of effort, I was assured, rather arrogantly, "Be calm and watch how the ground game is handled by a real pro."
Yeah, we all know how that turned out. The real pro got elected.
That was when I said adios to the party.
the first debate in 2012. If he had kept going the way he was prior to
that I think he could've won by an impressive margin."
Posted by: Ian S. at July 22, 2015 03:11 PM (B/VB5)***
Living in FL at the time I kept waiting to see some Romney ads hit the airwaves to counter Obama's carpet bombing campaign. And I waited, and waited.
After I expressed my concern over Romney's seeming lack of effort, I was assured, rather arrogantly, "Be calm and watch how the ground game is handled by a real pro."
Yeah, we all know how that turned out. The real pro got elected.
That was when I said adios to the party.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 22, 2015 03:23 PM (xSCb6)
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Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:21 PM (AkOaV)
They're psychologically libertarians but there's no jobs so they vote for welfare.
They're psychologically libertarians but there's no jobs so they vote for welfare.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 22, 2015 03:23 PM (x3GpS)
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If Matt Lewis had a SACK he could use it to smother Trump on his own, couldn't he.
Way to advertise your sacklessness Matt. Trump is a clown but Matt Lewis is worse than a clown.Lewis isafraid to confront a clown directly so he plays "Hey how about you andthe clownfight and I'll just stand back here, M'kay?
If Matt Lewis had a SACK he could use it to smother Trump on his own, couldn't he.
Way to advertise your sacklessness Matt. Trump is a clown but Matt Lewis is worse than a clown.Lewis isafraid to confront a clown directly so he plays "Hey how about you andthe clownfight and I'll just stand back here, M'kay?
Posted by: simplemind at July 22, 2015 03:24 PM (5vV+V)
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317 @304 Yeah, and Eric Holder is sitting in that jail, yes?
Oh, he's not? Why don't you ask yourself why.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 03:22 PM (ljZD2)
Because we're all racist homophobes for believing in Freedom of Religion?
Oh, he's not? Why don't you ask yourself why.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 03:22 PM (ljZD2)
Because we're all racist homophobes for believing in Freedom of Religion?
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:24 PM (m9wUQ)
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Maine's a weird state. Libertarianish with a good dose of welfare cases and old people who want govt checks.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:21 PM (AkOaV)
And carnivorous clowns. Don't forget the carnivorous clowns.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:21 PM (AkOaV)
And carnivorous clowns. Don't forget the carnivorous clowns.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at July 22, 2015 03:24 PM (vgIRn)
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>>Just imagine what the GOP could do with both Houses and the Presidency.
We had that. And here is what we got out of it.
- 40% increase in domestic spending
- McCain-Feingold
- No Child Left Behind
- The TSA
- Mass Illegal Immigration
- Prescription Drug Entitlement
- Chief Justice John Roberts
We had that. And here is what we got out of it.
- 40% increase in domestic spending
- McCain-Feingold
- No Child Left Behind
- The TSA
- Mass Illegal Immigration
- Prescription Drug Entitlement
- Chief Justice John Roberts
Posted by: V the K at July 22, 2015 03:24 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: eman at July 22, 2015 03:25 PM (MQEz6)
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@325 That shoe must really fit you. You keep coming back to retie the laces.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 03:25 PM (ljZD2)
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Yep. Lived there. Guns are a birthright to Mainiacs just like they are in Vermont. Ask Bernie Sanders who is a communist who just happens to support guns for some unknown reason.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:22 PM (OGm46)
And don't forget the Live Free or Die state, the Great State of New Hampshire.
I live in NH and work in sales throughout New England, so I'm somewhat familiar with the locals in different areas.
Guns are huge and omnipresent in northern new england. Which is weird, since they all (now) vote Blue.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:22 PM (OGm46)
And don't forget the Live Free or Die state, the Great State of New Hampshire.
I live in NH and work in sales throughout New England, so I'm somewhat familiar with the locals in different areas.
Guns are huge and omnipresent in northern new england. Which is weird, since they all (now) vote Blue.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:25 PM (AkOaV)
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shooting his mouth off is making the Establishment uneasy
Whose losing more potential R voters. Trump scaring the middle or the GOPe pissing off the right?
ie. they're both wrong.
Whose losing more potential R voters. Trump scaring the middle or the GOPe pissing off the right?
ie. they're both wrong.
Posted by: DaveA at July 22, 2015 03:25 PM (DL2i+)
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I have found that people who quickly resort to straw men and masturbatory imagery in a discussion of politics are seldom arguing in good faith.
Maybe that was a bit crudely put by trumpetdaddy, but he's not exactly wrong about this one. Walker did *a lot* of things that were being asked for by conservatives here.
On the other hand, Trump is drawing attention to issues that needed attention that no-one else was willing to touch with a 10 foot pole, which is *also* good.
Maybe that was a bit crudely put by trumpetdaddy, but he's not exactly wrong about this one. Walker did *a lot* of things that were being asked for by conservatives here.
On the other hand, Trump is drawing attention to issues that needed attention that no-one else was willing to touch with a 10 foot pole, which is *also* good.
Posted by: GMan at July 22, 2015 03:25 PM (sxq57)
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Oh, he's not? Why don't you ask yourself why.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy
Because the GOP-controlled House lacked the courage to arrest the Black Democratium-protected AG?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy
Because the GOP-controlled House lacked the courage to arrest the Black Democratium-protected AG?
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 22, 2015 03:25 PM (/Ho8c)
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Right now the key to this race is getting through the beauty pageant that is Iowa and NH in a strong position (top 3) and winning in Florida. Rubio could win in FL, but the star would have to a line perfect, but couldn't pull it off in the other 2. Walker will probable win Iowa, decent in NH lose FL. The only other person with a reasonable chance of a top 3 in both Iowa and NH and beating Jeb in FL is Trump.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 03:25 PM (C278+)
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>>Somebody who actually completely changes the political culture
180 degrees in his state, enacting every conservative wet dream policy,
I have found that people who quickly resort to straw men and
masturbatory imagery in a discussion of politics are seldom arguing in
good faith.
I still am not sure who he is talking about. But you are right of course.
We have two choices : pure evil or self deluded cowards.
Trump presents himself as neither, and is (for now) cleaning house.
Hey (R)s and (D) s? It's true.
We really, REALLY hate you.
>>Somebody who actually completely changes the political culture
180 degrees in his state, enacting every conservative wet dream policy,
I have found that people who quickly resort to straw men and
masturbatory imagery in a discussion of politics are seldom arguing in
good faith.
I still am not sure who he is talking about. But you are right of course.
We have two choices : pure evil or self deluded cowards.
Trump presents himself as neither, and is (for now) cleaning house.
Hey (R)s and (D) s? It's true.
We really, REALLY hate you.
Posted by: some random meathead at July 22, 2015 03:26 PM (cNtqS)
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Rush has done more for the conservative movement than anyone, but I don't get his "defense" of Trump, and let's not split hairs, it is a defense. Trump is not and never has been a conservative or a Republican or even a Rhino. He's his own party, and he has given freely to liberals. Yes he's right about illegal immigration, and some get a thrill hearing him pop off all the time, and while I do believe people are tired of the media, ask yourself this question? Does the media WANT Trump to bow out of the race? No fucking way.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 22, 2015 03:14 PM (Ozyu/)
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I see that you don't listen to Rush much if at all. Rush isn't advocating for Trump, nor is he defending him. What he's doing is reporting. You know, what the so-called "reporters" are supposed to do. When Trump zings the regime or the GOPe, Rush gets as much glee out of it as the rest of us conservatives do.
Try listening to him.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 22, 2015 03:14 PM (Ozyu/)
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I see that you don't listen to Rush much if at all. Rush isn't advocating for Trump, nor is he defending him. What he's doing is reporting. You know, what the so-called "reporters" are supposed to do. When Trump zings the regime or the GOPe, Rush gets as much glee out of it as the rest of us conservatives do.
Try listening to him.
Posted by: Soona at July 22, 2015 03:26 PM (P25Hh)
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Both houses and the presidency? Set inept strategy for expensive wars and expand government!
Posted by: GOP at July 22, 2015 03:26 PM (McmCo)
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"At least he is the only candidate who has FIRED someone."
Hillary fired both the White House travel manager and chef. Does that count?
Hillary fired both the White House travel manager and chef. Does that count?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 22, 2015 03:26 PM (NjiZL)
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"Just imagine what the GOP could do with both Houses and the Presidency."
I'm still trying to blot out the memories of last time.
I'm still trying to blot out the memories of last time.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 22, 2015 03:26 PM (noWW6)
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Why do Trump supporters ignore his statements regard to the illegals already here? Any other candidate even hint at some type of pathway to become legal and they are banished to to whatever level is worse than hell.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 22, 2015 03:27 PM (B7Uun)
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So this is circular firing squad day?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 22, 2015 03:21 PM (DUoqb)
There isn't a special day for that, we do it whenever we feel that we have been offended by people we despise and insult at every given opportunity.
I know that sounds irrational, complaining about being insulted by people whom we take great joy in despising and insulting, but you have to remember that (a) they are big meanies, (b) they are dumb and smell funny, and (c) they started it!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 22, 2015 03:21 PM (DUoqb)
There isn't a special day for that, we do it whenever we feel that we have been offended by people we despise and insult at every given opportunity.
I know that sounds irrational, complaining about being insulted by people whom we take great joy in despising and insulting, but you have to remember that (a) they are big meanies, (b) they are dumb and smell funny, and (c) they started it!
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 22, 2015 03:27 PM (hLRSq)
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@304 Yeah, and Eric Holder is sitting in that jail, yes?
Oh, he's not? Why don't you ask yourself why.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 03:22 PM (ljZD2)
Holder is not sitting in the House jail next to Lois Lerner because...
Kabuki theater.
There is no reason for the house to turn over the investigation of Eric Holder to Eric Holder to see if Eric Holder would prosecute Eric Holder.
If they wanted him in jail, they could have done it.
But they hope to win the presidency some day, and they play fast and loose with the constitution and laws too and they don't want that to come bite them in the ass some day.
Oh, he's not? Why don't you ask yourself why.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 03:22 PM (ljZD2)
Holder is not sitting in the House jail next to Lois Lerner because...
Kabuki theater.
There is no reason for the house to turn over the investigation of Eric Holder to Eric Holder to see if Eric Holder would prosecute Eric Holder.
If they wanted him in jail, they could have done it.
But they hope to win the presidency some day, and they play fast and loose with the constitution and laws too and they don't want that to come bite them in the ass some day.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:27 PM (AkOaV)
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Trumpy, you can do magic things!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 22, 2015 03:27 PM (W5DcG)
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340 Why do Trump supporters ignore his statements regard to the illegals already here? Any other candidate even hint at some type of pathway to become legal and they are banished to to whatever level is worse than hell.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 22, 2015 03:27 PM (B7Uun)
I don't know, why do Cruz supports ignore the fact that Cruz voted to give Iran the bomb?
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 22, 2015 03:27 PM (B7Uun)
I don't know, why do Cruz supports ignore the fact that Cruz voted to give Iran the bomb?
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:27 PM (AkOaV)
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327 >>Just imagine what the GOP could do with both Houses and the Presidency.
We had that. And here is what we got out of it.
- 40% increase in domestic spending
- McCain-Feingold
- No Child Left Behind
- The TSA
- Mass Illegal Immigration
- Prescription Drug Entitlement
- Chief Justice John Roberts
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Yep, but Jeb is different!
We had that. And here is what we got out of it.
- 40% increase in domestic spending
- McCain-Feingold
- No Child Left Behind
- The TSA
- Mass Illegal Immigration
- Prescription Drug Entitlement
- Chief Justice John Roberts
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Yep, but Jeb is different!
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 22, 2015 03:28 PM (oDCMR)
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340 Why do Trump supporters ignore his statements regard to the illegals already here? Any other candidate even hint at some type of pathway to become legal and they are banished to to whatever level is worse than hell.
Trump is not the general to lead us; he's the bomb to blow it all up.
Trump is not the general to lead us; he's the bomb to blow it all up.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:28 PM (m9wUQ)
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At some point you have to acknowledge that some people shouldn't be taken seriously.
Self-marginalizing Trump supporters fall into this category.
Self-marginalizing Trump supporters fall into this category.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 22, 2015 03:28 PM (DjbEj)
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Guns are huge and omnipresent in northern new england. Which is weird, since they all (now) vote Blue.
The NRA has largely been successful at decoupling their single issue from either party. They may be the *only* single-issue advocacy group to have pulled that off, or even to have tried.
The NRA has largely been successful at decoupling their single issue from either party. They may be the *only* single-issue advocacy group to have pulled that off, or even to have tried.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 22, 2015 03:28 PM (B/VB5)
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It's not really a circular firing squad. I mean, I guess my message is that both pro- and anti-Trumpers are being punked, but the really depressing part is that 90% of folk seem to not get when shit is being stirred.
It is way too easy for someone to play the "let's you and him fight" game online, because people want to fight.
And they will fight whoever they happen to be standing next to if someone else throws poop at both of them.
Just one of those "no hope for humanity" things. And man, I *hate* that meme.
It is way too easy for someone to play the "let's you and him fight" game online, because people want to fight.
And they will fight whoever they happen to be standing next to if someone else throws poop at both of them.
Just one of those "no hope for humanity" things. And man, I *hate* that meme.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 22, 2015 03:29 PM (bLnSU)
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Posted by: V the K at July 22, 2015 03:24 PM (O7MnT)
People forget that it was just a very few years ago that the GOP had both Houses and the Presidency...
AND most of the Repub Congressional Leadership was IN Congress back then.... when they did squat except GROW the Government.
People forget that it was just a very few years ago that the GOP had both Houses and the Presidency...
AND most of the Repub Congressional Leadership was IN Congress back then.... when they did squat except GROW the Government.
Posted by: BB Wolf at July 22, 2015 03:29 PM (qh617)
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334 Right now the key to this race is getting through the beauty pageant that is Iowa and NH in a strong position (top 3) and winning in Florida. Rubio could win in FL, but the star would have to a line perfect, but couldn't pull it off in the other 2. Walker will probable win Iowa, decent in NH lose FL. The only other person with a reasonable chance of a top 3 in both Iowa and NH and beating Jeb in FL is Trump.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 03:25 PM (C278+)
hi!
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 03:25 PM (C278+)
hi!
Posted by: Rand Paul, with ron's organization and a heavy NH presence at July 22, 2015 03:29 PM (AkOaV)
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Trump is not the general to lead us; he's the bomb to blow it all up.
Yup. As I quoted earlier, Trump is Let It Burn personified.
Yup. As I quoted earlier, Trump is Let It Burn personified.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 22, 2015 03:29 PM (B/VB5)
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Yo!
Posted by: Yo! at July 22, 2015 03:29 PM (q+zA9)
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Trump is one of The Jock Sniffer's golf buddies and a fellow millionaire. He'll never criticize Trump.
Posted by: Ed Anger at July 22, 2015 03:29 PM (RcpcZ)
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"Cruz voted to give Iran the bomb"
And voted for Obamatrade.
And figures what America needs is a massive new influx of H-1B visa holders competing with the citizenry for the steadily shrinking pool of jobs.
And voted for Obamatrade.
And figures what America needs is a massive new influx of H-1B visa holders competing with the citizenry for the steadily shrinking pool of jobs.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 22, 2015 03:30 PM (noWW6)
356
I know people who don't like those icky conservatives but do like Trump because "he tells it like it is" and he "isn't a politician."
They dig the bull in a china shop act. I saw some get turned off by the McCain POW thing but here is something Rush pointed out, that isn't a defense of Trump - all the uber pundits said the POW thing was IT from Trump, he was done and no way he could possibly continue blah blah blah.
And yet there he is. Him and his eff you money. Saying eff you.
That isn't a defense of Trump, it is merely a description of the way things are. I have always thought of him as a clown, though I do have a strange new respect for his ability to shove the Overton window way the hell over.
They dig the bull in a china shop act. I saw some get turned off by the McCain POW thing but here is something Rush pointed out, that isn't a defense of Trump - all the uber pundits said the POW thing was IT from Trump, he was done and no way he could possibly continue blah blah blah.
And yet there he is. Him and his eff you money. Saying eff you.
That isn't a defense of Trump, it is merely a description of the way things are. I have always thought of him as a clown, though I do have a strange new respect for his ability to shove the Overton window way the hell over.
Posted by: blaster at July 22, 2015 03:30 PM (2Ocf1)
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>>Guns are huge and omnipresent in northern new england. Which is weird, since they all (now) vote Blue.
I think a lot of it is historical. NE was once a manufacturing hub of America. Consequently, it was also one of the first places that the labor movement targeted to great success. Sort of.
All the jobs left. If you travel in NE then you will have seen countless abandoned mills, factories and in some cases whole towns as companies moved south for cheaper labor.
I had a brother in law who was in the clothing manufacturing business. He moved his factory from MA to NC to Asia. The unions did to NE what they did to Detroit only they did it a long time ago and much more completely. But much like Democrat union voters everywhere, the voting patterns of those people and even their kids and their kid's kids never changed.
But Yankees still love them some hunting.
I think a lot of it is historical. NE was once a manufacturing hub of America. Consequently, it was also one of the first places that the labor movement targeted to great success. Sort of.
All the jobs left. If you travel in NE then you will have seen countless abandoned mills, factories and in some cases whole towns as companies moved south for cheaper labor.
I had a brother in law who was in the clothing manufacturing business. He moved his factory from MA to NC to Asia. The unions did to NE what they did to Detroit only they did it a long time ago and much more completely. But much like Democrat union voters everywhere, the voting patterns of those people and even their kids and their kid's kids never changed.
But Yankees still love them some hunting.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:30 PM (OGm46)
358
Kabuki theater.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:27 PM (AkOaV)
Give me more of that Speaker Boehner loving.
And a different head shape.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:27 PM (AkOaV)
Give me more of that Speaker Boehner loving.
And a different head shape.
Posted by: Trey Gowdy at July 22, 2015 03:30 PM (vgIRn)
359
Don't fall for the bullshit from the gopetroll.
There are never enough enough votes, the circumstances are never right, the resisistance is never weak enough.
You must always vote R no matter what.
Next year, we will be victorious.
You'll see.
Please donate.
There are never enough enough votes, the circumstances are never right, the resisistance is never weak enough.
You must always vote R no matter what.
Next year, we will be victorious.
You'll see.
Please donate.
Posted by: eman at July 22, 2015 03:30 PM (MQEz6)
360
Why do Trump supporters ignore his statements regard to the illegals already here?
You mean his statement that he would make it so hard to hire an illegal that they would self deport? I have no problem with that.
You mean his statement that he would make it so hard to hire an illegal that they would self deport? I have no problem with that.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 03:31 PM (C278+)
361
352 Trump is not the general to lead us; he's the bomb to blow it all up.
Yup. As I quoted earlier, Trump is Let It Burn personified.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 22, 2015 03:29 PM (B/VB5)
/facpalm....
Yup.... Trump... is... SMOD!!!!!
Yup. As I quoted earlier, Trump is Let It Burn personified.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 22, 2015 03:29 PM (B/VB5)
/facpalm....
Yup.... Trump... is... SMOD!!!!!
Posted by: BB Wolf at July 22, 2015 03:31 PM (qh617)
362
346
Trump is not the general to lead us; he's the bomb to blow it all up.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:28 PM (m9wUQ)
You say that like it is a bad thing!
Trump is not the general to lead us; he's the bomb to blow it all up.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:28 PM (m9wUQ)
You say that like it is a bad thing!
Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at July 22, 2015 03:31 PM (DlmoZ)
363
The NRA has largely been successful at decoupling their single issue from either party. They may be the *only* single-issue advocacy group to have pulled that off, or even to have tried.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 22, 2015 03:28 PM (B/VB5)
I don't think it's the NRA.
I just think guns are a huge part of the culture up here. Maines population is 1.3 million people or so. NH is around the same. VT is 600,000 people.
And all are fairly large states with lots of hiking, hunting, snowmobiling, and outdoors stuff.
And guns kind of go along with that. If you're going on a 3 day hike in the woods, you want something to protect yourself if you run across a hungry bear or whatnot.
Plus, like I said -- lots of places to hunt. hunting is huge.
But even for non-hunters ... I mean everyone has guns passed down from their great-grandfathers and whatnot.
It's just part of the culture.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 22, 2015 03:28 PM (B/VB5)
I don't think it's the NRA.
I just think guns are a huge part of the culture up here. Maines population is 1.3 million people or so. NH is around the same. VT is 600,000 people.
And all are fairly large states with lots of hiking, hunting, snowmobiling, and outdoors stuff.
And guns kind of go along with that. If you're going on a 3 day hike in the woods, you want something to protect yourself if you run across a hungry bear or whatnot.
Plus, like I said -- lots of places to hunt. hunting is huge.
But even for non-hunters ... I mean everyone has guns passed down from their great-grandfathers and whatnot.
It's just part of the culture.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:31 PM (AkOaV)
364
hi!
Posted by: Rand Paul, with ron's organization and a heavy NH presence at July 22, 2015 03:29 PM (AkOaV)
Not a chance in hell.
Posted by: Rand Paul, with ron's organization and a heavy NH presence at July 22, 2015 03:29 PM (AkOaV)
Not a chance in hell.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 03:32 PM (C278+)
365
So this is circular firing squad day?
At this point, the arrangement of riflemen suggests neither a circle, nor a firing squad.
At this point, the arrangement of riflemen suggests neither a circle, nor a firing squad.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 22, 2015 03:32 PM (2l5vw)
366
It's just part of the culture.
Posted by: mynewhandle
So, it's just like eeeeeeevil Southern gun culture then?
Posted by: mynewhandle
So, it's just like eeeeeeevil Southern gun culture then?
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 22, 2015 03:33 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 22, 2015 03:33 PM (JtwS4)
368
Jesus, even ace has come around to understanding what all this "support" for Trump actually is.
Looks like a couple of the usual suspects are still having a hard time with it though.
Looks like a couple of the usual suspects are still having a hard time with it though.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 22, 2015 03:34 PM (xSCb6)
369
You say that like it is a bad thing!
Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at July 22, 2015 03:31 PM (DlmoZ)
I don't think it is. A Trump victory will split the GOP, and that needs to happen.
Both sides need new parties. We need lots more parties. We need lots more sides.
Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at July 22, 2015 03:31 PM (DlmoZ)
I don't think it is. A Trump victory will split the GOP, and that needs to happen.
Both sides need new parties. We need lots more parties. We need lots more sides.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:34 PM (m9wUQ)
370
All the jobs left. If you travel in NE then you will have seen countless abandoned mills, factories and in some cases whole towns as companies moved south for cheaper labor.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:30 PM (OGm46)
Yes, it's very sad. And unfortunately, heroin has replaced work in many of those factory / mill towns.
But, believe it or not, there's kind of a resurgence going on here. Sans unions, of course.
Technology has allowed people to migrate from southern New England with high taxes and ludicrous cost of living (but good paying jobs) north, which is a huge help to the local economies.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:30 PM (OGm46)
Yes, it's very sad. And unfortunately, heroin has replaced work in many of those factory / mill towns.
But, believe it or not, there's kind of a resurgence going on here. Sans unions, of course.
Technology has allowed people to migrate from southern New England with high taxes and ludicrous cost of living (but good paying jobs) north, which is a huge help to the local economies.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:34 PM (AkOaV)
371
At this point, the arrangement of riflemen suggests neither a circle, nor a firing squad.>>>
Thunderdome?
Thunderdome?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 22, 2015 03:34 PM (81UWZ)
372
WASHINGTON, July 22 The White House said on Wednesday that the Obama administration is in the final stages of drafting a plan to close the U.S. prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Weasel Zippers
So in the next year and a few months how much damage will Fredo do? Maybe we "Republicans" should stop fighting each other and fight the real enemy? Just a thought before it's to late
Weasel Zippers
So in the next year and a few months how much damage will Fredo do? Maybe we "Republicans" should stop fighting each other and fight the real enemy? Just a thought before it's to late
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 22, 2015 03:34 PM (DUoqb)
373
It will be the GOP that gives us amnesty. That is all you really need to know on this subject.
And they still won't secure the border. And more will continue until it can't continue anymore.
It will be the GOP that gives us amnesty. That is all you really need to know on this subject.
And they still won't secure the border. And more will continue until it can't continue anymore.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 22, 2015 03:35 PM (ODxAs)
374
I think the other candidates fear Trump because he's unscripted. He doesn't give the Stepford Candidate responses that have been demographically tested by the consultants. He speaks from his true feelings- like them or not.
That might not make a great candidate and his history in politics and on the issues doesn't help. But people can tell when the Republican plastic men start talking, and frankly that only means one thing- BOHICA.
When is the last time anyone in the Republican Party in a position to make a difference delivered on a promise?
Crickets.
Trump isn't my candidate. But I really enjoy his candid statements. Because people get a feeling the guy would do what he states on all the issue which matter to a lot of people. Face it- that's refreshing.
We can and probably will laugh off Trump and his antics. But unless Republicans start to capture the essence of what he's offering, we can look forward to one thing. More exchanges on AOSHQ about how we hate the next Democrap president.
That might not make a great candidate and his history in politics and on the issues doesn't help. But people can tell when the Republican plastic men start talking, and frankly that only means one thing- BOHICA.
When is the last time anyone in the Republican Party in a position to make a difference delivered on a promise?
Crickets.
Trump isn't my candidate. But I really enjoy his candid statements. Because people get a feeling the guy would do what he states on all the issue which matter to a lot of people. Face it- that's refreshing.
We can and probably will laugh off Trump and his antics. But unless Republicans start to capture the essence of what he's offering, we can look forward to one thing. More exchanges on AOSHQ about how we hate the next Democrap president.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 22, 2015 03:35 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: DaveA at July 22, 2015 03:35 PM (DL2i+)
376
>>So, it's just like eeeeeeevil Southern gun culture then?
Sort of, only it happened here a hell of a lot sooner. Squanto may have been good at planting corn but those turkey's didn't kill themselves.
Sort of, only it happened here a hell of a lot sooner. Squanto may have been good at planting corn but those turkey's didn't kill themselves.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:35 PM (OGm46)
377
So, it's just like eeeeeeevil Southern gun culture then?
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 22, 2015 03:33 PM (/Ho8c)
Um, well, yes.
Really, guns exist in decent numbers everywhere in the country outside of the cities.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 22, 2015 03:33 PM (/Ho8c)
Um, well, yes.
Really, guns exist in decent numbers everywhere in the country outside of the cities.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:35 PM (AkOaV)
378
347 At some point you have to acknowledge that some people shouldn't be taken seriously.
Self-marginalizing Trump supporters fall into this category.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 22, 2015 03:28 PM (DjbEj)
Bashers, too.
347 At some point you have to acknowledge that some people shouldn't be taken seriously.
Self-marginalizing Trump supporters fall into this category.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 22, 2015 03:28 PM (DjbEj)
Bashers, too.
Posted by: eman at July 22, 2015 03:35 PM (MQEz6)
379
But Yankees still love them some hunting.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:30 PM (OGm46)
If it weren't for Maine and Pennsylvania as relief valves, things would look a lot different in New England.
Even so. We're not hearing much about how many Nutmeggers haven't registered their guns. Have we?
Nor the same about the New Yorkers that haven't registered their guns.
Wonder why that's not a big story. Hmmm.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:30 PM (OGm46)
If it weren't for Maine and Pennsylvania as relief valves, things would look a lot different in New England.
Even so. We're not hearing much about how many Nutmeggers haven't registered their guns. Have we?
Nor the same about the New Yorkers that haven't registered their guns.
Wonder why that's not a big story. Hmmm.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 22, 2015 03:35 PM (x3GpS)
380
But southern gun culture belongs to the evil racist rednecks.
Posted by: Kenway at July 22, 2015 03:35 PM (McmCo)
381
>>> Just imagine what the GOP could do with both Houses and the Presidency.
You don't have to. It isn't going to happen.
You don't have to. It isn't going to happen.
Posted by: Bigby's Hitching Thumb at July 22, 2015 03:36 PM (3ZtZW)
382
There are never enough enough votes, the circumstances are never right, the resisistance is never weak enough.
You must always vote R no matter what.
Next year, we will be victorious.
You'll see.
Please donate.
Posted by: eman at July 22, 2015 03:30 PM (MQEz6)
You're wasting your talents just commenting on a blog. Call my chief of staff.
*hic*
You must always vote R no matter what.
Next year, we will be victorious.
You'll see.
Please donate.
Posted by: eman at July 22, 2015 03:30 PM (MQEz6)
You're wasting your talents just commenting on a blog. Call my chief of staff.
*hic*
Posted by: John Boehner at July 22, 2015 03:36 PM (8ZskC)
383
>>> So this is circular firing squad day?
"At this point, the arrangement of riflemen suggests neither a circle, nor a firing squad."
Protip: pointing the tube of the mortar straight up may not necessarily obtain the desired result.
"At this point, the arrangement of riflemen suggests neither a circle, nor a firing squad."
Protip: pointing the tube of the mortar straight up may not necessarily obtain the desired result.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 22, 2015 03:36 PM (noWW6)
384
OT-I wrote a letter to my House Rep dealing with the horrors of Planned Parenthood and the harvesting and selling of fetal body parts. I opened my e-mail this afternoon and it said "A personal e-mail from me" This is what it said:
It's _____ ( his first name) Thanks for the note.
Edited-But he's horrified by the PP acrtions
The House Energy and Commerce Committee, of which I am a member, has begun an investigation into these allegations. My committee will get to the bottom of this abhorrent situation. I will be sure to keep you informed of our efforts.
And you can rest assured I will continue to oppose federal tax dollars for Planned Parenthood.
Best personal wishes.
Now, I'm sure he sent this out to lots of folks, but this may be the first time I have ever received an e-mail from my Congressperson.
Keep the e-mails and calls going., folks Sometimes they'll write back!
It's _____ ( his first name) Thanks for the note.
Edited-But he's horrified by the PP acrtions
The House Energy and Commerce Committee, of which I am a member, has begun an investigation into these allegations. My committee will get to the bottom of this abhorrent situation. I will be sure to keep you informed of our efforts.
And you can rest assured I will continue to oppose federal tax dollars for Planned Parenthood.
Best personal wishes.
Now, I'm sure he sent this out to lots of folks, but this may be the first time I have ever received an e-mail from my Congressperson.
Keep the e-mails and calls going., folks Sometimes they'll write back!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 22, 2015 03:36 PM (OSs/l)
385
Medicare Considers Reimbursing Doctors Who Have End Of Life Conversations With Patients
Weasel Zippers
See I don't have a problem with this, since there are a few patients I want to tell to drop dead?
Weasel Zippers
See I don't have a problem with this, since there are a few patients I want to tell to drop dead?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 22, 2015 03:36 PM (DUoqb)
386
Trump is not the general to lead us; he's the bomb to blow it all up.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:28 PM (m9wUQ)
----------------------------------------------
Let's put it another way. Trump is the artillery that's prepping the battlefield. BUT, so far, no general has stepped up to lead the rest of the assault. So the artillery alone just might win the day.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:28 PM (m9wUQ)
----------------------------------------------
Let's put it another way. Trump is the artillery that's prepping the battlefield. BUT, so far, no general has stepped up to lead the rest of the assault. So the artillery alone just might win the day.
Posted by: Soona at July 22, 2015 03:36 PM (P25Hh)
387
Really, guns exist in decent numbers everywhere in the country outside of the cities.
Posted by: mynewhandle
Certainly.
Posted by: mynewhandle
Certainly.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 22, 2015 03:36 PM (/Ho8c)
388
Nevergiveup, that's just crazy talk! People always fight their friends before their enemies!
After all, your friends are closer!
After all, your friends are closer!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 22, 2015 03:36 PM (bLnSU)
389
I will continue to say this: If the Establishment wants to end the Trump Rebellion, then they should talk a lot less -- stop issuing orders, stop putting out plans as to How to Make the Crazies Understand Reason -- and start listening for once in their fucking lives.
^^^^^^^
STANDING OVATION!!!
This. Every single word. Thank you, Ace.
This is exactly where I'm at and where I've been. I'm not voting for Trump, but I'm absolutely supportive of him sticking his finger into the eye of the establishment. They're condescending assholes that classify people like me as crazy simply because we don't think that lubing up and bending over again is the only viable solution.
I'm fine with strategy SO LONG AS it turns into RESULTS at some point. Thus far, we get preached at and preached at and preached at about how we need to be strategic so that we can be in the position to fix things, but the result seems to be that all this strategy has only served to get "our side" into position, full stop. They get elected and then immediately turn into DC creatures of comfort and that's unacceptable. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the people we worked our backsides off to get elected to actually DO some of what they told us they'd be certain to get to right after they won their power.
^^^^^^^
STANDING OVATION!!!
This. Every single word. Thank you, Ace.
This is exactly where I'm at and where I've been. I'm not voting for Trump, but I'm absolutely supportive of him sticking his finger into the eye of the establishment. They're condescending assholes that classify people like me as crazy simply because we don't think that lubing up and bending over again is the only viable solution.
I'm fine with strategy SO LONG AS it turns into RESULTS at some point. Thus far, we get preached at and preached at and preached at about how we need to be strategic so that we can be in the position to fix things, but the result seems to be that all this strategy has only served to get "our side" into position, full stop. They get elected and then immediately turn into DC creatures of comfort and that's unacceptable. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the people we worked our backsides off to get elected to actually DO some of what they told us they'd be certain to get to right after they won their power.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at July 22, 2015 03:36 PM (KkVB6)
390
Hillary fired both the White House travel manager and chef. Does that count?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 22, 2015 03:26 PM (NjiZL)
......................
Hells to the yeah!!!
Hillary fired both the White House travel manager and chef. Does that count?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 22, 2015 03:26 PM (NjiZL)
......................
Hells to the yeah!!!
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at July 22, 2015 03:37 PM (HSmrB)
391
>>If it weren't for Maine and Pennsylvania as relief valves, things would look a lot different in New England.
Clearly, you have never been in VT during deer hunting season. The state, for all intents, is closed for a couple weeks.
Clearly, you have never been in VT during deer hunting season. The state, for all intents, is closed for a couple weeks.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:37 PM (OGm46)
392
Who the fuck is Matt Lewis anyway, that we're wasting valuable bewb pixels on his drivel?
Posted by: Iblis at July 22, 2015 03:37 PM (frlnL)
393
Even so. We're not hearing much about how many Nutmeggers haven't registered their guns. Have we?
Nor the same about the New Yorkers that haven't registered their guns.
Wonder why that's not a big story. Hmmm.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 22, 2015 03:35 PM (x3GpS)
I was living in CT when that law passed.
Very few people followed it.
The state police had no idea what to do. They kind of decided to let it slide.
For now.
Nor the same about the New Yorkers that haven't registered their guns.
Wonder why that's not a big story. Hmmm.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 22, 2015 03:35 PM (x3GpS)
I was living in CT when that law passed.
Very few people followed it.
The state police had no idea what to do. They kind of decided to let it slide.
For now.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:37 PM (AkOaV)
394
>>So, it's just like eeeeeeevil Southern gun culture then?
The typical Yankee is every bit the Redneck, yes.
The typical Yankee is every bit the Redneck, yes.
Posted by: Bigby's Hitching Thumb at July 22, 2015 03:37 PM (3ZtZW)
395
You call the GOP out on their failures to uphold their own stated policy positions since 2001 and - like flies to turds - in come the usual apologists.
You MUST vote GOP, because: Reasons!
You MUST vote GOP, because: Reasons!
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 22, 2015 03:38 PM (xSCb6)
396
The Republican establishment types just considers themselves to be the overseers of their own plantation. The "wacko birds" and "crazies" need to get back on the plantation, shut up (don't be uppity) and just pick the lint out of their navels. If a conservative questions them, then that is a betrayal of their genetic conservativeness, and they will be disowned and delegitimized the same way conservative blacks are demonized by the Democrats.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 22, 2015 03:38 PM (zpZLP)
397
Nevergiveup, that's just crazy talk! People always fight their friends before their enemies!
After all, your friends are closer!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 22, 2015 03:36 PM (bLnSU)
Keep your friends, close....But your enemies closer.
After all, your friends are closer!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 22, 2015 03:36 PM (bLnSU)
Keep your friends, close....But your enemies closer.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 22, 2015 03:38 PM (DUoqb)
398
@ 209 - "When Cruz or Walker start knocking over tables and pissing people off I'm sure Ace will write about it."
Hey Bud, can I tell you about Jesus?
Hey Bud, can I tell you about Jesus?
Posted by: A Guy Who's Only Pretending to be Ace at July 22, 2015 03:38 PM (Mtb58)
399
Clearly, you have never been in VT during deer hunting season. The state, for all intents, is closed for a couple weeks.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:37 PM (OGm46)
VT was one of the deepest red states in the country until the Ben & Jerrys crowd took the state over in the '70s.
Kind of like the free staters are trying to do here in NH.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:37 PM (OGm46)
VT was one of the deepest red states in the country until the Ben & Jerrys crowd took the state over in the '70s.
Kind of like the free staters are trying to do here in NH.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:38 PM (AkOaV)
400
The typical Yankee is every bit the Redneck, yes.
Posted by: Bigby's Hitching Thumb
Funny. Popular media wouldn't give one that impression.
Posted by: Bigby's Hitching Thumb
Funny. Popular media wouldn't give one that impression.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 22, 2015 03:38 PM (/Ho8c)
401
Protip: pointing the tube of the mortar straight up may not necessarily obtain the desired result.
True. It is sometimes necessary to aim slightly into the wind.
Protip: pointing the tube of the mortar straight up may not necessarily obtain the desired result.
True. It is sometimes necessary to aim slightly into the wind.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 22, 2015 03:38 PM (JtwS4)
402
BTW, who the fuck is Matt Lewis and why should anyone give a shit what he thinks? Sounds like Matt is a master fapper.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 22, 2015 03:39 PM (oDCMR)
403
395 You call the GOP out on their failures to uphold their own stated policy positions since 2001 and - like flies to turds - in come the usual apologists.
You MUST vote GOP, because: Reasons!
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 22, 2015 03:38 PM (xSCb6)
This time around I was called a racist homophobe. The line between GOP and SJWs is pretty blurred.
You MUST vote GOP, because: Reasons!
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 22, 2015 03:38 PM (xSCb6)
This time around I was called a racist homophobe. The line between GOP and SJWs is pretty blurred.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:39 PM (m9wUQ)
404
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 03:31 PM (C278+)
That's what he criticized Romney for. You mean he reversed himself on that too? You have a cite?
That's what he criticized Romney for. You mean he reversed himself on that too? You have a cite?
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 22, 2015 03:40 PM (N4pek)
405
Just found out that the brother of my daughters best friend commented suicide. 20 years old.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 03:40 PM (C278+)
406
>>Nor the same about the New Yorkers that haven't registered their guns.
Wonder why that's not a big story. Hmmm.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 22, 2015 03:35 PM (x3GpS)
I was living in CT when that law passed.
Very few people followed it.
The state police had no idea what to do. They kind of decided to let it slide.
For now.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:37 PM (AkOaV)<<
Look at the number of estimated rifles owned and the number registered in NY.One of these is not like the other.
Wonder why that's not a big story. Hmmm.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 22, 2015 03:35 PM (x3GpS)
I was living in CT when that law passed.
Very few people followed it.
The state police had no idea what to do. They kind of decided to let it slide.
For now.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:37 PM (AkOaV)<<
Look at the number of estimated rifles owned and the number registered in NY.One of these is not like the other.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 22, 2015 03:40 PM (GGCsk)
407
391 >>If it weren't for Maine and Pennsylvania as relief valves, things would look a lot different in New England.
Clearly, you have never been in VT during deer hunting season. The state, for all intents, is closed for a couple weeks.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:37 PM (OGm46)
Western MA is not Boston.
It has more trees now than it did 500 years ago.
The Remnant is strong there.
391 >>If it weren't for Maine and Pennsylvania as relief valves, things would look a lot different in New England.
Clearly, you have never been in VT during deer hunting season. The state, for all intents, is closed for a couple weeks.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:37 PM (OGm46)
Western MA is not Boston.
It has more trees now than it did 500 years ago.
The Remnant is strong there.
Posted by: eman at July 22, 2015 03:41 PM (MQEz6)
408
Also don't put the mortar tub on your head.
Posted by: Some headless guy in NE at July 22, 2015 03:41 PM (HstNY)
409
Funny. Popular media wouldn't give one that impression.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 22, 2015 03:38 PM (/Ho8c)
Spend some time hanging out in Maine.
Other than the accents, you'd think you were in Alabama (or wherever redneckitry is at its highest levels).
Fuckin' Mainers, man. They're nuts.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 22, 2015 03:38 PM (/Ho8c)
Spend some time hanging out in Maine.
Other than the accents, you'd think you were in Alabama (or wherever redneckitry is at its highest levels).
Fuckin' Mainers, man. They're nuts.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:41 PM (AkOaV)
410
405 Just found out that the brother of my daughters best friend commented suicide. 20 years old.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 03:40 PM (C278+)
Ouch. Any indication why?
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 03:40 PM (C278+)
Ouch. Any indication why?
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:41 PM (m9wUQ)
411
Oh god, wrg, that's awful.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 22, 2015 03:41 PM (JtwS4)
412
408 Also don't put the mortar tub on your head.
Posted by: Some headless guy in NE at July 22, 2015 03:41 PM (HstNY)
To be fair, he was in Calais Maine, which is basically Canada.
Posted by: Some headless guy in NE at July 22, 2015 03:41 PM (HstNY)
To be fair, he was in Calais Maine, which is basically Canada.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:41 PM (AkOaV)
413
Here is something the Morons will find aggravating. Direct result of Obama open border policies and his ICE director. I got this today in an e-mail from GOPUSA
LOS ANGELES (AP) An immigrant in the country
illegally who is a registered sex offender is charged with sexually
assaulting a 14-year-old girl after being freed on bond by the judge
overseeing his deportation proceedings, authorities said.
Keane Dean, 26, was placed in immigration detention in October after
serving time for burglary and indecent exposure, and immigration
officials are seeking to have him deported for being in the country
illegally, Immigration and Customs Enforcement said Tuesday.
He was denied bond in December but released in April after posting a
$10,000 bond granted by an immigration judge at a hearing mandated by
the federal courts, ICE said.
Dean, who is from the Philippines, was arrested Wednesday in Los
Angeles County after a teenage girl reported missing by her parents was
found in his garage. The girl told deputies she had been befriended by
Dean a day earlier at the grocery store and he had sexually assaulted
her, authorities said.
Dean has pleaded not guilty to two felony sex charges. He is due back
in court Aug. 18. A message was left for public defender Irv Rubin, who
prosecutors said was listed as his lawyer.
LOS ANGELES (AP) An immigrant in the country
illegally who is a registered sex offender is charged with sexually
assaulting a 14-year-old girl after being freed on bond by the judge
overseeing his deportation proceedings, authorities said.
Keane Dean, 26, was placed in immigration detention in October after
serving time for burglary and indecent exposure, and immigration
officials are seeking to have him deported for being in the country
illegally, Immigration and Customs Enforcement said Tuesday.
He was denied bond in December but released in April after posting a
$10,000 bond granted by an immigration judge at a hearing mandated by
the federal courts, ICE said.
Dean, who is from the Philippines, was arrested Wednesday in Los
Angeles County after a teenage girl reported missing by her parents was
found in his garage. The girl told deputies she had been befriended by
Dean a day earlier at the grocery store and he had sexually assaulted
her, authorities said.
Dean has pleaded not guilty to two felony sex charges. He is due back
in court Aug. 18. A message was left for public defender Irv Rubin, who
prosecutors said was listed as his lawyer.
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 22, 2015 03:41 PM (GpgJl)
414
Ace,
You should love Trump he hates Latinos like you do. No matter how much you whine and bitch, there nothing you can do. They are here to stay and not going anywhere.
It sucks to be a loser Klansman ace.
You should love Trump he hates Latinos like you do. No matter how much you whine and bitch, there nothing you can do. They are here to stay and not going anywhere.
It sucks to be a loser Klansman ace.
Posted by: Ace is KKK at July 22, 2015 03:41 PM (tOy9k)
415
Just found out that the brother of my daughters best friend commented suicide. 20 years old.
Posted by: wrg500
I'm very sorry to hear that, wrg.
Just found out that the brother of my daughters best friend commented suicide. 20 years old.
Posted by: wrg500
I'm very sorry to hear that, wrg.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 22, 2015 03:42 PM (/Ho8c)
416
Western MA is not Boston.
It has more trees now than it did 500 years ago.
The Remnant is strong there.
Posted by: eman at July 22, 2015 03:41 PM (MQEz6)
Yeah but Berkshire county is one of the bluest voting counties in MA.
Go figure.
It has more trees now than it did 500 years ago.
The Remnant is strong there.
Posted by: eman at July 22, 2015 03:41 PM (MQEz6)
Yeah but Berkshire county is one of the bluest voting counties in MA.
Go figure.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:42 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: some random meathead at July 22, 2015 03:42 PM (cNtqS)
418
Protip: pointing the tube of the mortar straight up may not necessarily obtain the desired result.
Depends on what the desired result is, which in turns depends on who is operating the mortar.
Depends on what the desired result is, which in turns depends on who is operating the mortar.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 22, 2015 03:42 PM (oKE6c)
419
It's because of the insults the GOPe have thrown around so indiscriminately for years that people defend Trump, even with zero knowledge of his political positions.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and if McVain hates him there must be something good about him.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and if McVain hates him there must be something good about him.
Posted by: Crazy Horse at July 22, 2015 03:42 PM (TxJGV)
420
Who left the gate open and let the asshole troll walk in?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 22, 2015 03:42 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: some random meathead at July 22, 2015 03:43 PM (cNtqS)
422
And they still won't secure the border. And more will continue until it can't continue anymore. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 22, 2015 03:35 PM
If you believe Drudge's current headline, teh Compassionate Conservatives won't have to do a damn thing to open the floodgates. The Mocha Messiah's getting his pen and phone in gear to get the job done. Isn't that nice?
Perhaps these Grand Conservative Pundits -- I admit to never having heard of this "Matt Lewis" person, but what the hell -- might focus some attention on what's actually happening out there instead of whingeing ad nauseum about Trump, who remains the one wannabe Preezy who actually tells the truth while the others posture and raise funds.
Damn. You'd think Teh Donald was a mix of Anthony Wiener and Hillary Clinton the way all Our Betters dump garbage on him....
If you believe Drudge's current headline, teh Compassionate Conservatives won't have to do a damn thing to open the floodgates. The Mocha Messiah's getting his pen and phone in gear to get the job done. Isn't that nice?
Perhaps these Grand Conservative Pundits -- I admit to never having heard of this "Matt Lewis" person, but what the hell -- might focus some attention on what's actually happening out there instead of whingeing ad nauseum about Trump, who remains the one wannabe Preezy who actually tells the truth while the others posture and raise funds.
Damn. You'd think Teh Donald was a mix of Anthony Wiener and Hillary Clinton the way all Our Betters dump garbage on him....
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 22, 2015 03:43 PM (rCmeG)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 22, 2015 03:43 PM (oKE6c)
424
Trump supporters must understand that the Daily Beast guy only have best interests in mind when they tell you to drop Trump.
Posted by: Drider at July 22, 2015 03:43 PM (DNFK1)
425
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:41 PM (m9wUQ
The boy has be troubled for some time. Attempt suicide over the weekend. Just got word a couple minutes ago that the hospital pronounce him brain dead.
The boy has be troubled for some time. Attempt suicide over the weekend. Just got word a couple minutes ago that the hospital pronounce him brain dead.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 03:43 PM (C278+)
426
Part of this is that the pro-amnesty Republicans have already branded opposition to amnesty as xenophobia and know-nothing-ism if not outright racism. In the debate over controlling the borders, they've got nowhere else to go.
Posted by: Brewdog at July 22, 2015 03:43 PM (ZgUuK)
427
Look at the number of estimated rifles owned and the number registered in NY.One of these is not like the other.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 22, 2015 03:40 PM (GGCsk)
Yeah. They don't know what to do.
I mean really, their only option is door to door house searches with a general warrant to enforce their stupid laws.
I don't think the cops are too keen on that idea. What with officer safety concerns and all.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 22, 2015 03:40 PM (GGCsk)
Yeah. They don't know what to do.
I mean really, their only option is door to door house searches with a general warrant to enforce their stupid laws.
I don't think the cops are too keen on that idea. What with officer safety concerns and all.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:43 PM (AkOaV)
428
416 Western MA is not Boston.
It has more trees now than it did 500 years ago.
The Remnant is strong there.
Posted by: eman at July 22, 2015 03:41 PM (MQEz6)
Yeah but Berkshire county is one of the bluest voting counties in MA.
Go figure.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:42 PM (AkOaV)
Central mass (Worcester county and surrounding) is probably the reddest part of the state.
It has more trees now than it did 500 years ago.
The Remnant is strong there.
Posted by: eman at July 22, 2015 03:41 PM (MQEz6)
Yeah but Berkshire county is one of the bluest voting counties in MA.
Go figure.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:42 PM (AkOaV)
Central mass (Worcester county and surrounding) is probably the reddest part of the state.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:43 PM (m9wUQ)
429
The SJW nutters are back on Isaac Holmes, why, I dont know. Holmes was a 19 y/o in StL. He and antoher kid stole a car and were pursued by police until they crashed. Holmes got out with a tec 9 with an extended mag and wouldnt put it down. He was shot and killed.
He was a good boy who was never in trouble said his family. Sure if you ignore all the car thefts and the FB photos with his guns that he cd not legally possess. Now they are calling foul. I dont know where they get this idea that the police have to play quick draw with the thugs.
He was a good boy who was never in trouble said his family. Sure if you ignore all the car thefts and the FB photos with his guns that he cd not legally possess. Now they are calling foul. I dont know where they get this idea that the police have to play quick draw with the thugs.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 22, 2015 03:44 PM (iQIUe)
430
Mohammad al-Hector in the house.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 22, 2015 03:44 PM (oVJmc)
431
The boy has be troubled for some time. Attempt suicide over the weekend. Just got word a couple minutes ago that the hospital pronounce him brain dead.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 03:43 PM (C278+)
Jesus that's horrible.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 03:43 PM (C278+)
Jesus that's horrible.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:44 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: some random meathead at July 22, 2015 03:44 PM (cNtqS)
433
Really, guns exist in decent numbers everywhere in the country outside of the cities.
Seems to be existing pretty well in the cities too.
Seems to be existing pretty well in the cities too.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 22, 2015 03:44 PM (1hEM6)
434
"When is the last time anyone in the Republican Party in a position to make a difference delivered on a promise?"
Scott Walker, though I'm sure that probably doesn't count for some reason.
Scott Walker, though I'm sure that probably doesn't count for some reason.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 22, 2015 03:44 PM (hLRSq)
435
Central mass (Worcester county and surrounding) is probably the reddest part of the state.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:43 PM (m9wUQ)
Probably.
But not a single county went Red in 08 or 12.
One of the few states that can say that.
I think VT and Hawaii are the only others.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:43 PM (m9wUQ)
Probably.
But not a single county went Red in 08 or 12.
One of the few states that can say that.
I think VT and Hawaii are the only others.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:45 PM (AkOaV)
436
Technology has allowed people to migrate from southern New England with high taxes and ludicrous cost of living (but good paying jobs) north, which is a huge help to the local economies.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:34 PM (AkOaV)
Indeed. We're planning on opening a new antique store together. The Supreme Court says it's OK now.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:34 PM (AkOaV)
Indeed. We're planning on opening a new antique store together. The Supreme Court says it's OK now.
Posted by: Richard Straker and Kurt Barlow at July 22, 2015 03:45 PM (vgIRn)
437
>>Yeah but Berkshire county is one of the bluest voting counties in MA.
>>Go figure.
Schools. Western MA is covered with them and like most university areas, blue and dumber than shit.
Lot of people complain about lefties migrating from the north to the south but they forget the enormous number that flock to the schools up here and never leave.
Unless they discover they are Indians and get heap big job in DC.
>>Go figure.
Schools. Western MA is covered with them and like most university areas, blue and dumber than shit.
Lot of people complain about lefties migrating from the north to the south but they forget the enormous number that flock to the schools up here and never leave.
Unless they discover they are Indians and get heap big job in DC.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:45 PM (OGm46)
Posted by: simplemind at July 22, 2015 03:45 PM (6r2Z/)
439
The boy has be troubled for some time. Attempt suicide over the weekend. Just got word a couple minutes ago that the hospital pronounce him brain dead.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 03:43 PM (C278+)
A shame to hear. Hope he's at peace.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 03:43 PM (C278+)
A shame to hear. Hope he's at peace.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:45 PM (m9wUQ)
440
423 Take that back! Ace is NOT a Democrat!
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 22, 2015 03:43 PM (oKE6c)
You are feeding Hector and giving him a stiffy.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 22, 2015 03:43 PM (oKE6c)
You are feeding Hector and giving him a stiffy.
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 22, 2015 03:45 PM (GpgJl)
Posted by: some random meathead at July 22, 2015 03:45 PM (cNtqS)
442
Next years Democratic Convention will be wild. All the Black Lives Matter and who know what else will be there. Screening and interrupting all the speeches like they did with Bernie. Hillary might even loose control.
Or they will give into the demands which will piss off the rest of the country, I hope.
Or they will give into the demands which will piss off the rest of the country, I hope.
Posted by: Colin at July 22, 2015 03:46 PM (lyhiY)
443
Dang, wrg500, that's horrifying. I'm so sorry for your family to have to deal with this.
I can only hope you can help each other get through this. I'd be a wreck.
I can only hope you can help each other get through this. I'd be a wreck.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 22, 2015 03:46 PM (bLnSU)
444
The boy's name is Sergei, him and his sister were adopted from Russia as infants. I've known the family for at least 15 years.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 03:46 PM (C278+)
445
Clearly, you have never been in VT during deer hunting season. The state, for all intents, is closed for a couple weeks.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:37 PM (OGm46)
November 15 is a Holy Day in Michigan.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:37 PM (OGm46)
November 15 is a Holy Day in Michigan.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 22, 2015 03:46 PM (hLRSq)
446
Seems to be existing pretty well in the cities too.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 22, 2015 03:44 PM (1hEM6)
yeah. I love how Bernie (and my liberal FIL) say, "well... gun ownership is different in VT and NH then it is in Chicago."
Yeah? Why is that bernie?
What makes the ownership of a gun in, say Vermont, different than owning a gun in Chicago?
Hmm...?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 22, 2015 03:44 PM (1hEM6)
yeah. I love how Bernie (and my liberal FIL) say, "well... gun ownership is different in VT and NH then it is in Chicago."
Yeah? Why is that bernie?
What makes the ownership of a gun in, say Vermont, different than owning a gun in Chicago?
Hmm...?
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:46 PM (AkOaV)
447
Posted by: wrg500 at July 22, 2015 03:43 PM (C278+)
May time heal all the wounds of those he left behind.
May time heal all the wounds of those he left behind.
Posted by: eman at July 22, 2015 03:47 PM (MQEz6)
448
Trump enters the stage to the hulksters "i am a real american" thats just fucking lovely.
See, its value added moves like that that go unappreciated by commentators but voters notice it.
Trump nuked Lindsey Graham yesterday.
The LULz continue!!!
See, its value added moves like that that go unappreciated by commentators but voters notice it.
Trump nuked Lindsey Graham yesterday.
The LULz continue!!!
Posted by: Casual Indifference at July 22, 2015 03:47 PM (kf36l)
449
Holmes got out with a tec 9 with an extended mag and wouldnt put it down.
Almost every one of the 'black lives matter' incidents they want to throw around have an obvious moment where dumbshit did some dumb shit.
Perhaps a 'don't be a dumbass' movement would be more effective at lowering the number of unfortunate incidents.
Almost every one of the 'black lives matter' incidents they want to throw around have an obvious moment where dumbshit did some dumb shit.
Perhaps a 'don't be a dumbass' movement would be more effective at lowering the number of unfortunate incidents.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 22, 2015 03:47 PM (oVJmc)
450
>>>Donald Trump insult generator:
http://ti.me/1ModFux<<<
Excellent. Here's mine:
"Why does Time Inc. constantly seek out trivial nonsense?"
http://ti.me/1ModFux<<<
Excellent. Here's mine:
"Why does Time Inc. constantly seek out trivial nonsense?"
Posted by: Fritz at July 22, 2015 03:47 PM (o/UmK)
451
i swapped the video; the audio of the current version does not sound like ass.
Posted by: ace at July 22, 2015 02:33 PM (dciA+)
Cool choice, ace. Rocky Burnette is the sone of rockabilly pioneer Dorsey Burnette.
Posted by: ace at July 22, 2015 02:33 PM (dciA+)
Cool choice, ace. Rocky Burnette is the sone of rockabilly pioneer Dorsey Burnette.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 22, 2015 03:48 PM (OuKDK)
452
I cannot wait to see the Trump campaign commericals
Holy shit they will epic. Willie Horton on steroids
Holy shit they will epic. Willie Horton on steroids
Posted by: Casual Indifference at July 22, 2015 03:48 PM (kf36l)
453
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:45 PM (OGm46)
I can't think of any major colleges in Berkshire County off the top of my head.
But my (anecdotal) experience has been that even in W Mass, most people are Democrats.
Why? I don't know. lots of welfare and whatnot in Pittsfield (for example)... Plus, everyone loves Kennedy.
Maybe JFK is why MA is so blue.
Who knows?
I can't think of any major colleges in Berkshire County off the top of my head.
But my (anecdotal) experience has been that even in W Mass, most people are Democrats.
Why? I don't know. lots of welfare and whatnot in Pittsfield (for example)... Plus, everyone loves Kennedy.
Maybe JFK is why MA is so blue.
Who knows?
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:49 PM (AkOaV)
454
Ace they don't need to import them as 100,000 minority american citizen kids turn 18 voting age every month and 140,000 are born here every month.
Posted by: obami at July 22, 2015 03:49 PM (T6pT9)
455
Hector on line 414 for Ace.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 22, 2015 03:49 PM (x3GpS)
456
>>>> What makes the ownership of a gun in, say Vermont, different than owning a gun in Chicago?
The Green Mountain Crips have been killing Burlington Bloods for decades now.
The Green Mountain Crips have been killing Burlington Bloods for decades now.
Posted by: Bigby's Hitching Thumb at July 22, 2015 03:49 PM (3ZtZW)
457
@432
You are right Ace is a White Nationalist/Nazi.
You are right Ace is a White Nationalist/Nazi.
Posted by: Ace is a Nazi at July 22, 2015 03:49 PM (tOy9k)
458
Right now, Cruz and Walker are cold, slow winter drizzles to Trumps super-cell thunderstorm.
Posted by: Soona at July 22, 2015 03:01 PM (P25Hh)
Let Trump move in some powerful winter cyclone winds to blow out those foggy, boggy disturbances, and let the forces of Walker and Cruz (in that order) help to create a warm, healthy, new climate -- not just for "conservatives" (kinda selfish), but for conservatives, classical liberals, libertarians, independent, and all other patriotic and hardworking Americans. Why do some Moron-conservatives think that Trump must work only for them?
Posted by: Soona at July 22, 2015 03:01 PM (P25Hh)
Let Trump move in some powerful winter cyclone winds to blow out those foggy, boggy disturbances, and let the forces of Walker and Cruz (in that order) help to create a warm, healthy, new climate -- not just for "conservatives" (kinda selfish), but for conservatives, classical liberals, libertarians, independent, and all other patriotic and hardworking Americans. Why do some Moron-conservatives think that Trump must work only for them?
Posted by: pyromancer76 at July 22, 2015 03:49 PM (zvcr8)
459
But not a single county went Red in 08 or 12.
One of the few states that can say that.
I think VT and Hawaii are the only others.
Yeah, it is still MA.
One of the few states that can say that.
I think VT and Hawaii are the only others.
Yeah, it is still MA.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:50 PM (m9wUQ)
460
win a majority of the votes to keep their job.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy
wait til you see ignore_user() @ the polls buttercup.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy
wait til you see ignore_user() @ the polls buttercup.
Posted by: DaveA at July 22, 2015 03:50 PM (DL2i+)
461
Hector's Mother Sucks Muslim Cocks in Hell
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 22, 2015 03:51 PM (oVJmc)
462
Clearly, you have never been in VT during deer hunting season. The state, for all intents, is closed for a couple weeks.
Posted by: JackStraw
November 15 is a Holy Day in Michigan.
Church is cancelled in certain areas of Texas on opening day.
Posted by: JackStraw
November 15 is a Holy Day in Michigan.
Church is cancelled in certain areas of Texas on opening day.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 22, 2015 03:51 PM (1hEM6)
463
Trump is not the general to lead us; he's the bomb to blow it all up.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk
I see you're catching on to the point of the exercise...
/resumes pouring kerosene
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk
I see you're catching on to the point of the exercise...
/resumes pouring kerosene
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 22, 2015 03:51 PM (2l5vw)
464
Boy, thread sorta went to Hell.....
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 22, 2015 03:51 PM (LA7Cm)
465
442 Next years Democratic Convention will be wild. All the Black Lives Matter and who know what else will be there. Screening and interrupting all the speeches like they did with Bernie. Hillary might even loose control.
Or they will give into the demands which will piss off the rest of the country, I hope
----------------------
Yep. Should be fun TeeVee. Maybe we should hand out Confederate flags to cheer them up?
Or they will give into the demands which will piss off the rest of the country, I hope
----------------------
Yep. Should be fun TeeVee. Maybe we should hand out Confederate flags to cheer them up?
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 22, 2015 03:51 PM (oDCMR)
466
Ace only uses the N-word when his black wife asks him to during sex.
Posted by: Bigby's Hitching Thumb at July 22, 2015 03:51 PM (3ZtZW)
467
Perhaps a 'don't be a dumbass' movement would be more effective at lowering the number of unfortunate incidents.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 22, 2015 03:47 PM (oVJmc)
Unfortunately you can't fix stupid.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 22, 2015 03:47 PM (oVJmc)
Unfortunately you can't fix stupid.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 22, 2015 03:51 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Ken at July 22, 2015 03:52 PM (LXJ1e)
469
@426
Ace has admitted he is anti Immigrant. The border is just an excuse to bash Immigrants. Trump, Walker, Coulter and Ace have let the cat out the bag.
Ace has admitted he is anti Immigrant. The border is just an excuse to bash Immigrants. Trump, Walker, Coulter and Ace have let the cat out the bag.
Posted by: Ace is a Nazi at July 22, 2015 03:52 PM (tOy9k)
470
You are feeding Hector and giving him a stiffy.
Hector's posting while at work at the glory hole again?
Hector's posting while at work at the glory hole again?
Posted by: Country Singer at July 22, 2015 03:52 PM (nL0sw)
471
Perhaps a 'don't be a dumbass' movement would be more effective at lowering the number of unfortunate incidents.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel
Unfortunately you can't fix stupid.
Posted by: Mikey NTH
You can. But it's usually permanent.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel
Unfortunately you can't fix stupid.
Posted by: Mikey NTH
You can. But it's usually permanent.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 22, 2015 03:53 PM (1hEM6)
472
Contempt of Congress...hehehehe.
Posted by: Eric Holder at July 22, 2015 03:53 PM (lc+1R)
Posted by: Rice'n Prebuster at July 22, 2015 03:53 PM (VY8H5)
474
468 What's the difference between the Republican party of 2015 and the Democrat party of 1967?
Posted by: Ken at July 22, 2015 03:52 PM (LXJ1e)
audience:
I don't know Ken, what is it?
(... I'm assuming there's a punchline, no?)
Posted by: Ken at July 22, 2015 03:52 PM (LXJ1e)
audience:
I don't know Ken, what is it?
(... I'm assuming there's a punchline, no?)
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:53 PM (AkOaV)
475
I wish people wo say they hate the media wouldn't keep dancing to the tune the media is playing. Except for Trump the press has ignored the candidates unless they can make some statement into a gaffe? Yet they fall all over themselves to cover the Donald. Why?
Because they are thinking long term. Trump fits their stereotype of Republicans. rich, mean, old, white, men whose time has passed. With the Democrats all even older except for O;Malley the press doesn't want to have to cover any of the young guns in the Republican field like Walker, Cruz, Rubio, Jindal or Paul.
Because they are thinking long term. Trump fits their stereotype of Republicans. rich, mean, old, white, men whose time has passed. With the Democrats all even older except for O;Malley the press doesn't want to have to cover any of the young guns in the Republican field like Walker, Cruz, Rubio, Jindal or Paul.
Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at July 22, 2015 03:54 PM (pnoHo)
476
Great piece Ace. You nailed it. Next to Steyn, you're the most interesting thinker today.
Posted by: Sid Vicious at July 22, 2015 03:54 PM (UW3fL)
477
Clearly, you have never been in VT during deer hunting season. The state, for all intents, is closed for a couple weeks.
One of the family legends is that the school principal asked my father's NH class to sign a pledge that they could skip opening day if they promised to come to school the next day.
My father refused on principle because he knew he'd cut school until he bagged one.
Clearly, you have never been in VT during deer hunting season. The state, for all intents, is closed for a couple weeks.
One of the family legends is that the school principal asked my father's NH class to sign a pledge that they could skip opening day if they promised to come to school the next day.
My father refused on principle because he knew he'd cut school until he bagged one.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 22, 2015 03:54 PM (JtwS4)
478
Unfortunately you can't fix stupid.
Posted by: Mikey NTH
You can. But it's usually permanent.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 22, 2015 03:53 PM (1hEM6)
Isn't that more like a recall?
Posted by: Mikey NTH
You can. But it's usually permanent.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 22, 2015 03:53 PM (1hEM6)
Isn't that more like a recall?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 22, 2015 03:54 PM (hLRSq)
479
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:49 PM (AkOaV)
Union Democrats and the many colleges, plus a healthy EBT class.
In Western MA you have UMass Amherst, Amherst, Smith, Mt. Holyoke. In Boston it's probably easier to list what colleges aren't there.
Many of the workers flee to NH (turning the state slightly purple) but forfeiting the right to vote in MA.
The rest of the state is fairly moderate.
Union Democrats and the many colleges, plus a healthy EBT class.
In Western MA you have UMass Amherst, Amherst, Smith, Mt. Holyoke. In Boston it's probably easier to list what colleges aren't there.
Many of the workers flee to NH (turning the state slightly purple) but forfeiting the right to vote in MA.
The rest of the state is fairly moderate.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 03:55 PM (m9wUQ)
480
@473
Ace is a socialist. Most conservatives are socialists. I am an anarcho Capitalist.
Ace is a socialist. Most conservatives are socialists. I am an anarcho Capitalist.
Posted by: Ace is a Nazi at July 22, 2015 03:55 PM (tOy9k)
481
Everybody thinks NJ is completely blue; It's not. In one church in Southern NJ ( not one I served , but maybe in the Pinelands) they had a "blessing of the guns" before hunting seasons starts; No, I didn't make this up.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 22, 2015 03:55 PM (OSs/l)
482
ace, can we perma ban hector and everyone who looks like him?
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 03:55 PM (AkOaV)
483
Jeb Bush would like to thank the Trumpers for their support.
He couldn't do it without you! Thank you, gullible rubes, for helping our man Jeb secure the nomination. You've made a lot of our lobbyist friends very, very happy.
He couldn't do it without you! Thank you, gullible rubes, for helping our man Jeb secure the nomination. You've made a lot of our lobbyist friends very, very happy.
Posted by: The Establishment at July 22, 2015 03:55 PM (DjbEj)
484
Most people define winning in a binary electoral structure as, you know, having more people in office than the other side.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:39 PM (ljZD2)
But if all they are doing, having "won" is sucking Obama's dick, what is the point?
By the way, don't, for the love of God, look up "trumpetdaddy" in the Urban Dictionary.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:39 PM (ljZD2)
But if all they are doing, having "won" is sucking Obama's dick, what is the point?
By the way, don't, for the love of God, look up "trumpetdaddy" in the Urban Dictionary.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 22, 2015 03:55 PM (OuKDK)
485
>>I can't think of any major colleges in Berkshire County off the top of my head.
North Adams State or whatever they are calling it today.
But right next door is Hampshire County home of Hampshire, Amherst, Mount Holyoke, Smith and of course, Zoo Mass.
North Adams State or whatever they are calling it today.
But right next door is Hampshire County home of Hampshire, Amherst, Mount Holyoke, Smith and of course, Zoo Mass.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 03:55 PM (OGm46)
486
the GOPe has every reason to be worried, but since they are quite content to remain a minority part in DC, as long as they themselves get to stay in DC, they have no interest in dealing with the restive base.
only if/when they are out of office will there be any change. if voting for Trump hastens that day, i'm good with it.
only if/when they are out of office will there be any change. if voting for Trump hastens that day, i'm good with it.
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 22, 2015 03:56 PM (pZtrP)
487
OT
I was on this site called the grommet and they were selling this awful nap pillow that was like a padded hood with holes for your face and arms, such that you could sleep at your desk.
I'm thinking, holy shit just bring in a paper and put your feet up! You'd hear your boss yelling FIRED just as fast
I was on this site called the grommet and they were selling this awful nap pillow that was like a padded hood with holes for your face and arms, such that you could sleep at your desk.
I'm thinking, holy shit just bring in a paper and put your feet up! You'd hear your boss yelling FIRED just as fast
Posted by: Bigby's Hitching Thumb at July 22, 2015 03:56 PM (3ZtZW)
488
IOW, i've held my nose for the last time.
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 22, 2015 03:56 PM (pZtrP)
489
North Adams State or whatever they are calling it today.
But right next door is Hampshire County home of Hampshire, Amherst, Mount Holyoke, Smith and of course, Zoo Mass.
Also Williams.
North Adams State or whatever they are calling it today.
But right next door is Hampshire County home of Hampshire, Amherst, Mount Holyoke, Smith and of course, Zoo Mass.
Also Williams.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 22, 2015 03:57 PM (JtwS4)
490
474 - I don't know Ken, what is it?
(... I'm assuming there's a punchline, no?)
________________________________
I wish I had one
Maybe...
The Democrats of 1967 could screw in an incandescent light bulb?
(... I'm assuming there's a punchline, no?)
________________________________
I wish I had one
Maybe...
The Democrats of 1967 could screw in an incandescent light bulb?
Posted by: Ken at July 22, 2015 03:57 PM (LXJ1e)
491
I know Ace dreams of having long rockstar hair and whipping it around on a stage.
I know Ace dreams of having long rockstar hair and whipping it around on a stage.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 22, 2015 03:57 PM (iQIUe)
492
Also buttrumpet not getting the point of the post.
Posted by: DaveA at July 22, 2015 03:57 PM (DL2i+)
493
"Yet they fall all over themselves to cover the Donald. Why?"
The Donald has been a celebrity since the 1980's. People are always wondering what outrageous thing he is going to do next, so the story is guaranteed an audience and with The Donald the story writes itself.
Its like all of the stories about Princess Di and Jackie Kennedy - they were celebrities, they caught the public's fancy and they are going to be covered no matter how stupid the thing is.
The Donald has been a celebrity since the 1980's. People are always wondering what outrageous thing he is going to do next, so the story is guaranteed an audience and with The Donald the story writes itself.
Its like all of the stories about Princess Di and Jackie Kennedy - they were celebrities, they caught the public's fancy and they are going to be covered no matter how stupid the thing is.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 22, 2015 03:57 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Country Singer at July 22, 2015 03:58 PM (nL0sw)
495
In many ways Rush and Trump are cut from the same cloth. Its why I have always liked both. They are arrogant in the sense that they both believe in themselves - and why shouldn't they. They can be brash - though I think Rush is a lot less so these days. They poke, they prod. They are both self-promoters. Why would Rush go after Trump right now?
Posted by: SH at July 22, 2015 03:58 PM (gmeXX)
496
The biggest problem our society faces today is that somewhere, in some truck stop, (tOy9k)'s gloryhole is unmanned.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 22, 2015 03:58 PM (xSCb6)
497
He deployed the "entertainment wing" slur.They have nothing but contempt for the actual conservative right,just as much contempt as the left does.
Posted by: steevy at July 22, 2015 03:58 PM (sPO3u)
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 22, 2015 03:58 PM (pZtrP)
499
Ace has admitted he is anti Immigrant. The border is just an excuse to bash Immigrants. Trump, Walker, Coulter and Ace have let the cat out the bag.
Posted by: Ace is a Nazi at July 22, 2015 03:52 PM (tOy9k)
I'll freely admit to being a squish on immigration, at least by the standards of this site.
But.
Do you think the United States should have the same immigration policies as Mexico?
Posted by: Ace is a Nazi at July 22, 2015 03:52 PM (tOy9k)
I'll freely admit to being a squish on immigration, at least by the standards of this site.
But.
Do you think the United States should have the same immigration policies as Mexico?
Posted by: AD at July 22, 2015 03:58 PM (yBmlR)
500
I know Ace dreams of having long rockstar hair and whipping it around on a stage.
More like a Wookie instead of an ewok?
More like a Wookie instead of an ewok?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 22, 2015 03:59 PM (1hEM6)
501
Remember, if my advice had been taken in the first place years ago, we might have been spared Trump.
Replace, not reform.
Replace, not reform.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 22, 2015 03:59 PM (2l5vw)
502
The Democrats of 1967 could screw in an incandescent light bulb?
Posted by: Ken at July 22, 2015 03:57 PM (LXJ1e)
Wouldn't you get cramps in such a tiny place?
Posted by: Ken at July 22, 2015 03:57 PM (LXJ1e)
Wouldn't you get cramps in such a tiny place?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 22, 2015 03:59 PM (hLRSq)
503
458 Right now, Cruz and Walker are cold, slow winter drizzles to Trumps super-cell thunderstorm.
So what you're telling me is that we can blame Trump on Climate Change.
Suck it, Deniers!
So what you're telling me is that we can blame Trump on Climate Change.
Suck it, Deniers!
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 22, 2015 04:00 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: Puck/Fakin 2016 at July 22, 2015 04:00 PM (cNtqS)
505
NY State to move to 15 dollars and hour minimum wage? People are going to get fired left and right, and right and left, and prices will soar.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 22, 2015 04:00 PM (DUoqb)
506
Stop making the perfect the enemy of the good, and fantasy the enemy of the possible.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:56 PM (ljZD2)
They have done little to stop anything. They have both houses and gave Obama carte blanche on trade and negotiating with Iran. We saw how the latter worked out. Any bets on the trade deal?
They failed on a tighter abortion ban.
They haven't not brought anyone to justice over the IRS, DOJ, etc.
I can go on. No one is expecting miracles. But they have enough power to get some results. They have none.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:56 PM (ljZD2)
They have done little to stop anything. They have both houses and gave Obama carte blanche on trade and negotiating with Iran. We saw how the latter worked out. Any bets on the trade deal?
They failed on a tighter abortion ban.
They haven't not brought anyone to justice over the IRS, DOJ, etc.
I can go on. No one is expecting miracles. But they have enough power to get some results. They have none.
Posted by: WOPR at July 22, 2015 04:00 PM (nRvEn)
507
"Do you think the United States should have the same immigration policies as Mexico?"
that would be a significant improvement over our current policies
that would be a significant improvement over our current policies
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 22, 2015 04:00 PM (pZtrP)
508
who values serious contributions to political debates.
Posted by: Begonia
Look the other special flower - from atop the cowpie.
Posted by: Begonia
Look the other special flower - from atop the cowpie.
Posted by: DaveA at July 22, 2015 04:00 PM (DL2i+)
509
The spectacle of so many self-proclaimed "conservatives" falling for Trump's BS is making me begin to think that conservatives now ARE a bunch of followers of Entertainment Wing demagogues. Trump has absolutely nothing to recommend him - everything about his past positions and associations is suspect and the ideas that come out of his mouth are largely risible - and yet conservatives are lionizing him for attacking "fellow" Republicans. The conservative movement has become largely a self-hating fellowship. The suckage that is plain for all to see in the Republican party proper has already trickled down to the conservative base.
Posted by: dabhidh at July 22, 2015 04:00 PM (O6j2k)
510
Ah, 'anarcho-', the second most popular prefix of self-styled Big Thinkers (aka Basement-Dwelling ToeLickers), right behind 'crypto-'.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 22, 2015 04:01 PM (oVJmc)
511
In before the ignorant asshole!
Posted by: eleven at July 22, 2015 04:01 PM (MDgS8)
512
Are they real? DNC, GOPe or RussiaToaday - only their hairdresser knows for sure.
Posted by: DaveA at July 22, 2015 04:01 PM (DL2i+)
513
anarcho Capitalist
...Like Penn Jillette?
Oh, okay.
Why don't you explain to the class exactly what you, as an anarcho capitalist believe.
Go.
...Like Penn Jillette?
Oh, okay.
Why don't you explain to the class exactly what you, as an anarcho capitalist believe.
Go.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 04:01 PM (AkOaV)
514
Molotov cocktails for sale?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 22, 2015 04:02 PM (x3GpS)
515
For the most part US Immigration laws are ok.
(I'd undo the 1965 Immigration act completely)
The problem is noone want s to enforce them
For the most part US Immigration laws are ok.
(I'd undo the 1965 Immigration act completely)
The problem is noone want s to enforce them
Posted by: Yo! at July 22, 2015 04:02 PM (q+zA9)
516
Bruce Jenner tweeted a photo of his closet filled with shoes, size 20, and said he was in competition with his step daughter. Is that not repulsive?
Bruce Jenner tweeted a photo of his closet filled with shoes, size 20, and said he was in competition with his step daughter. Is that not repulsive?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 22, 2015 04:02 PM (iQIUe)
517
NY State to move to 15 dollars and hour minimum wage? People are going to get fired left and right, and right and left, and prices will soar.
Old and busted: Counter help.
New and hot: Robot repair technician.
Old and busted: Counter help.
New and hot: Robot repair technician.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 22, 2015 04:03 PM (1hEM6)
518
>>I can't think of any major colleges in Berkshire County off the top of my head.
Right. Forgot that one.
Right. Forgot that one.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2015 04:03 PM (OGm46)
519
Do you think the United States should have the same immigration policies as Mexico?
First comes stop the lawbreakers and enforce the law.
Until then it is all just mental masturbation.
Do you think the United States should have the same immigration policies as Mexico?
First comes stop the lawbreakers and enforce the law.
Until then it is all just mental masturbation.
Posted by: Puck/Fakin 2016 at July 22, 2015 04:03 PM (cNtqS)
520
I wish people wo say they hate the media wouldn't keep dancing to the tune the media is playing
Quiet, you. You'll ruin everything with talk like that.
How can we expect a mediocre pol like Bush to pull this off without those adorably delusional Trump supporters scaring normal voters into his bland, safe arms?
Quiet, you. You'll ruin everything with talk like that.
How can we expect a mediocre pol like Bush to pull this off without those adorably delusional Trump supporters scaring normal voters into his bland, safe arms?
Posted by: The Establishment at July 22, 2015 04:03 PM (DjbEj)
521
>>> as long as they themselves get to stay in DC, they have no interest in dealing with the restive base.
Well, look at the maps. Not the county by party, but the population mass vs. party. Then look at demographics, party by race/gender/etc and percentages of.
There's a distinct reason why they turn on a dime after the nomination, and an ominous trend that, IMHO is a likely irreversible change.
Well, look at the maps. Not the county by party, but the population mass vs. party. Then look at demographics, party by race/gender/etc and percentages of.
There's a distinct reason why they turn on a dime after the nomination, and an ominous trend that, IMHO is a likely irreversible change.
Posted by: Bigby's Hitching Thumb at July 22, 2015 04:03 PM (3ZtZW)
522
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, which refers to the National Socialist German Workers Party.
Posted by: eleven at July 22, 2015 04:03 PM (MDgS8)
523
I love you morans. The commenters on here give me hope.
You. Get. It.
Oh my stars, a businessman in New York donated to Hillary Clinton, a prominent politician in New York and maintained friendly relations???
Holy fucking shit. Who would do that??
Now tell me GOPe and MSM and "conservative" "thinkers", who is naïve in pointing out that Trump is some crazy lib faking it.
It's a fucking joke.
You. Get. It.
Oh my stars, a businessman in New York donated to Hillary Clinton, a prominent politician in New York and maintained friendly relations???
Holy fucking shit. Who would do that??
Now tell me GOPe and MSM and "conservative" "thinkers", who is naïve in pointing out that Trump is some crazy lib faking it.
It's a fucking joke.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 22, 2015 04:03 PM (q5APL)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 22, 2015 04:03 PM (x3GpS)
525
Another Republican priority;
>>Republicans are softening their stance on marijuana
<<
http://tinyurl.com/p3b3has
>>Republicans are softening their stance on marijuana
<<
http://tinyurl.com/p3b3has
Posted by: Marcus T at July 22, 2015 04:03 PM (GGCsk)
526
Trump has absolutely nothing to recommend him ... and yet conservatives are lionizing him for attacking "fellow" Republicans.
------
Conservatives aren't lionizing him. But they are enjoying the man for going after the group that has basically been attacking conservatives for all their lives.
If only Trump would go on the pro-life offensive. It would be YUUUGGEE.
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Conservatives aren't lionizing him. But they are enjoying the man for going after the group that has basically been attacking conservatives for all their lives.
If only Trump would go on the pro-life offensive. It would be YUUUGGEE.
Posted by: SH at July 22, 2015 04:03 PM (gmeXX)
527
Posted by: dabhidh at July 22, 2015 04:00 PM (O6j2k)
The spectacle of "smart thinkers" falling for R politicians bullshit time and time again (or more likely, just trying to convince us idiot serfs that the R pols are not full of shit) is embarrassing to behold.
The spectacle of "smart thinkers" falling for R politicians bullshit time and time again (or more likely, just trying to convince us idiot serfs that the R pols are not full of shit) is embarrassing to behold.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 04:04 PM (AkOaV)
528
Bruce Jenner tweeted a photo of his closet filled with shoes, size
20, and said he was in competition with his step daughter. Is that not
repulsive?
Does he want to become a woman to further the self-obsession?
Bruce Jenner tweeted a photo of his closet filled with shoes, size
20, and said he was in competition with his step daughter. Is that not
repulsive?
Does he want to become a woman to further the self-obsession?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 22, 2015 04:04 PM (oVJmc)
529
/moo off
Posted by: some random meathead at July 22, 2015 04:04 PM (cNtqS)
530
***"The spectacle of so many self-proclaimed "conservatives" falling for
Trump's BS is making me begin to think that conservatives now ARE a
bunch of followers of Entertainment Wing demagogues."***
The spectacle of so many people who don't bother to read before spouting off is beginning to make me think that these people aren't nearly as smart as they imagine.
Trump's BS is making me begin to think that conservatives now ARE a
bunch of followers of Entertainment Wing demagogues."***
The spectacle of so many people who don't bother to read before spouting off is beginning to make me think that these people aren't nearly as smart as they imagine.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 22, 2015 04:04 PM (xSCb6)
531
that would be a significant improvement over our current policies
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 22, 2015 04:00 PM (pZtrP)
That's kind of the point for anybody who calls it racist. If more stringent policies would be racist, WTF does that make other countries that are more serious about it?
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 22, 2015 04:00 PM (pZtrP)
That's kind of the point for anybody who calls it racist. If more stringent policies would be racist, WTF does that make other countries that are more serious about it?
Posted by: AD at July 22, 2015 04:04 PM (yBmlR)
532
516
Bruce Jenner tweeted a photo of his closet filled with shoes, size 20, and said he was in competition with his step daughter. Is that not repulsive?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 22, 2015 04:02 PM (iQIUe)
If he has more than three pairs of shoes, it proves he is a woman.
Bruce Jenner tweeted a photo of his closet filled with shoes, size 20, and said he was in competition with his step daughter. Is that not repulsive?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 22, 2015 04:02 PM (iQIUe)
If he has more than three pairs of shoes, it proves he is a woman.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 22, 2015 04:05 PM (m9wUQ)
533
>>>Anarcho Capitalist<<<
That means, "I jack you off if you stick it in the gloryhole. Tips are welcome."
That means, "I jack you off if you stick it in the gloryhole. Tips are welcome."
Posted by: Fritz at July 22, 2015 04:05 PM (o/UmK)
534
Posted by: Marcus T at July 22, 2015 04:03 PM (GGCsk)
well the so-called party of small government should not be in the business of encouraging unconstitutional federal "bans" on weeds that grow wildly in half of the world.
Nor should they be in favor of the federalization of the police through the 'war on drugs'.
well the so-called party of small government should not be in the business of encouraging unconstitutional federal "bans" on weeds that grow wildly in half of the world.
Nor should they be in favor of the federalization of the police through the 'war on drugs'.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 04:05 PM (AkOaV)
535
Posted by: dabhidh at July 22, 2015 04:00 PM (O6j2k)
--------------------------------------
Is that you, Mitch?
--------------------------------------
Is that you, Mitch?
Posted by: Soona at July 22, 2015 04:06 PM (P25Hh)
536
all trump did was point out the wealthy republican doaner class is for immigration for cheap labor.
Posted by: obami at July 22, 2015 04:06 PM (T6pT9)
537
well the so-called party of small government should not be in the business of encouraging unconstitutional federal "bans" on weeds that grow wildly in half of the world.
Nor should they be in favor of the federalization of the police through the 'war on drugs'.
----
Here here! Or is it hear hear!
Nor should they be in favor of the federalization of the police through the 'war on drugs'.
----
Here here! Or is it hear hear!
Posted by: SH at July 22, 2015 04:06 PM (gmeXX)
538
nood RS
Posted by: some random meathead at July 22, 2015 04:06 PM (cNtqS)
539
At some point you have to acknowledge that some people shouldn't be taken seriously.
And completing the mirrored set.
And completing the mirrored set.
Posted by: DaveA at July 22, 2015 04:07 PM (DL2i+)
540
All the Great Society Wars declared?
The War on Poverty
The War on Drugs
The War on Racism
The War on Sexism
Were/are all wars on THE PEOPLE.
The War on Poverty
The War on Drugs
The War on Racism
The War on Sexism
Were/are all wars on THE PEOPLE.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 22, 2015 04:07 PM (x3GpS)
541
dabidh, WTF? Who is "lionizing" anyone, incl. Trump?
Why Trump has any traction is pretty obvious. There'd be no room for him, much less low-hanging fruit, in an environment where the political class as a whole, and the GOP in particular, seemed serious about the very serious situation in the country.
Note: this is not about Walker, or Jindal, or even DC-level guys like Cruz. All those and most of the other GOP hopefuls have their merits and are widely respected.
But the lawlessness and arrogance and degradation that have been rampant for years are not going to be meaningfully engaged - substantively *or* emotionally - by polite and conventional atmospherics.
The Trump phenomenon is not about Trump.
dabidh, WTF? Who is "lionizing" anyone, incl. Trump?
Why Trump has any traction is pretty obvious. There'd be no room for him, much less low-hanging fruit, in an environment where the political class as a whole, and the GOP in particular, seemed serious about the very serious situation in the country.
Note: this is not about Walker, or Jindal, or even DC-level guys like Cruz. All those and most of the other GOP hopefuls have their merits and are widely respected.
But the lawlessness and arrogance and degradation that have been rampant for years are not going to be meaningfully engaged - substantively *or* emotionally - by polite and conventional atmospherics.
The Trump phenomenon is not about Trump.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 22, 2015 04:07 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at July 22, 2015 04:08 PM (vgIRn)
543
@499
I could care less about Mexico' s immigration laws. My beef is not with laws but the anti Immigrant xenophobic rhetoric. The nativist trash don't care about visa overstays or businesses that hire illegals. They have a genocidal bloodlust against Latinos.
There was a shooting done by Jihadi last week and conservatives said nothing. If the shooter was Latino that is all conservatives would be talking about.
Conservatives are evil and satanic. They must be crushed and sent into political oblivion. They are worse than ISIS or Hezbollah.
I could care less about Mexico' s immigration laws. My beef is not with laws but the anti Immigrant xenophobic rhetoric. The nativist trash don't care about visa overstays or businesses that hire illegals. They have a genocidal bloodlust against Latinos.
There was a shooting done by Jihadi last week and conservatives said nothing. If the shooter was Latino that is all conservatives would be talking about.
Conservatives are evil and satanic. They must be crushed and sent into political oblivion. They are worse than ISIS or Hezbollah.
Posted by: Ace is a Nazi at July 22, 2015 04:09 PM (tOy9k)
544
Wrg500
That's terrible for the family and friends of the young man who took his life. In case any of them are people of Christian faith I present this prayer:
God of us all, we thank your for Christ's grace with which you pray to you at this dark hour. A life they love has been torn from them. Expectations the years once held have vanished. The mystery of death has stricken them. O, God you know the lives we live and the deaths we die-woven so strangely of purpose and of chance, or reason and the irrational, of strength and of frailty, of happiness and of pain.
Into your hands we commend the soul of___
No mortal life you have made is without eternal meaning. No early fate is beyond your redeeming.
Through your grace that can do far more than we can think or imagine, fulfill in _____ your purpose that reaches beyond time and death.
Into your hands we also commit our lives. Whom finally have we on earth or heaven but you? Help us to know the measure of our days, and how frail we are. Hold us in your keeping. Forgive us our sins. Save our minds from despair and our hearts from fear. And guard and guide us with your peace
Amen
That's terrible for the family and friends of the young man who took his life. In case any of them are people of Christian faith I present this prayer:
God of us all, we thank your for Christ's grace with which you pray to you at this dark hour. A life they love has been torn from them. Expectations the years once held have vanished. The mystery of death has stricken them. O, God you know the lives we live and the deaths we die-woven so strangely of purpose and of chance, or reason and the irrational, of strength and of frailty, of happiness and of pain.
Into your hands we commend the soul of___
No mortal life you have made is without eternal meaning. No early fate is beyond your redeeming.
Through your grace that can do far more than we can think or imagine, fulfill in _____ your purpose that reaches beyond time and death.
Into your hands we also commit our lives. Whom finally have we on earth or heaven but you? Help us to know the measure of our days, and how frail we are. Hold us in your keeping. Forgive us our sins. Save our minds from despair and our hearts from fear. And guard and guide us with your peace
Amen
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 22, 2015 04:09 PM (OSs/l)
545
Hector has that same paranoid lunacy that the thread below was talking about with the 'Black Lives Matter' idiots.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 22, 2015 04:10 PM (oVJmc)
546
Here here! Or is it hear hear!
Posted by: SH at July 22, 2015 04:06 PM (gmeXX)
I think it's here here!
As in "where do I pass the joint next? Were we going to the left or the right?"
"HERE, HERE!!!" everyone yelled.
Posted by: SH at July 22, 2015 04:06 PM (gmeXX)
I think it's here here!
As in "where do I pass the joint next? Were we going to the left or the right?"
"HERE, HERE!!!" everyone yelled.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 22, 2015 04:11 PM (AkOaV)
547
Conservatives are evil and satanic. They must be crushed and sent into political oblivion. They are worse than ISIS or Hezbollah.
Now look in the mirror and say that.
Now look in the mirror and say that.
Posted by: eleven at July 22, 2015 04:11 PM (MDgS8)
548
See I don't have a problem with this, since there are a few patients I want to tell to drop dead?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
That's funny because you're a dentist - would it be funnier from a gynecologist or would the punchline need more work.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
That's funny because you're a dentist - would it be funnier from a gynecologist or would the punchline need more work.
Posted by: DaveA at July 22, 2015 04:12 PM (DL2i+)
549
I was bored with Trump years ago, have always changed channels whenever he was on, and am still bored with all this stuff going on now.
I don't get to vote on this, and there's nothing I can do that affects any of it.
Isn't there some way to make the election go on for about 6 months long instead of two years?
I don't get to vote on this, and there's nothing I can do that affects any of it.
Isn't there some way to make the election go on for about 6 months long instead of two years?
Posted by: stace: SMOD/Cascadia Subduction Zone 2016 at July 22, 2015 04:12 PM (CoX6k)
550
89 Amen Tilikum.
Been saying it since the late 80's: I don't agree with Rush. Rush agrees with me.
Been saying it since the late 80's: I don't agree with Rush. Rush agrees with me.
Posted by: Blano at July 22, 2015 04:12 PM (sdPF/)
551
OK, geniuses, go vote for the guy who contributes to Hillary Clinton. See how that works out for ya.
The Trump Phenomenon is about name recognition and gullibility. Even Ross Perot was a more credible candidate.
The Trump Phenomenon is about name recognition and gullibility. Even Ross Perot was a more credible candidate.
Posted by: dabhidh at July 22, 2015 04:13 PM (O6j2k)
552
Dabhidh:
Is that a joke? Tell you what, go run a billion dollar business IN NEW YORK FUCKING CITY and don't maintain relations with any democrat and watch your shit CRASH AND BURN.
How fucking stupid is that?
Is that a joke? Tell you what, go run a billion dollar business IN NEW YORK FUCKING CITY and don't maintain relations with any democrat and watch your shit CRASH AND BURN.
How fucking stupid is that?
Posted by: prescient11 at July 22, 2015 04:15 PM (q5APL)
553
I'm not going to vote for Trump. Trump will not be the Republican candidate. He may not even make it to the primaries.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 22, 2015 04:16 PM (OSs/l)
554
If you're a Republican look at it this way.
There's an old and persistent idea on the internet that the way you get rid of a troll is by ignoring him.
This has never worked in the history of mankind ever.
But, it's easy. It requires the least amount of effort.
So, people like repeating it.
The problem with any politician is that politics and the media are infested with trolls today. This is something that Bush never learned or attempted to deal with, to his detriment. This is something that Clinton understood innately with his war room.
So, while I think Trump isn't a real rightwinger or a much of a serious person and that anybody who hitches their cart to him better be prepared to get burned--I'm not really interested in listening to anybody who won't attempt or can't even figure out how to handle him on their own.
So far, Rubio and Perry are the only people who are showing me something.
If you can't take him on, pack up your stuff and go home, because you won't even know where to begin in handling a hostile bureaucracy, media, and social scene in Washington.
And you'll probably just follow the path that requires the least confrontation and effort.
There's an old and persistent idea on the internet that the way you get rid of a troll is by ignoring him.
This has never worked in the history of mankind ever.
But, it's easy. It requires the least amount of effort.
So, people like repeating it.
The problem with any politician is that politics and the media are infested with trolls today. This is something that Bush never learned or attempted to deal with, to his detriment. This is something that Clinton understood innately with his war room.
So, while I think Trump isn't a real rightwinger or a much of a serious person and that anybody who hitches their cart to him better be prepared to get burned--I'm not really interested in listening to anybody who won't attempt or can't even figure out how to handle him on their own.
So far, Rubio and Perry are the only people who are showing me something.
If you can't take him on, pack up your stuff and go home, because you won't even know where to begin in handling a hostile bureaucracy, media, and social scene in Washington.
And you'll probably just follow the path that requires the least confrontation and effort.
Posted by: AD at July 22, 2015 04:16 PM (yBmlR)
Posted by: Blano at July 22, 2015 04:16 PM (uiVGU)
556
In Oregon, which everyone knows is a blue, blue, state, the legislature of course approved drivers licenses for illegal immigrants.
People opposing this got an initiative on the ballot challenging this.
In the 2014 election, the deep blue voters of Oregon easily reelected the scandal-plagued left-wing governor (who had to resign a few weeks later), easily reelected one of the most left-wing people in the Senate - and voted down drivers licenses for illegals 2-1. (Because Oregon has vote by mail, turnout is high, even in non-Presidential years.)
This means **a lot** of people in Oregon voted for left-wing candidates, and still voted against giving more privileges to illegal immigrants.
Somehow, only Donald Trump has noticed that the Democratic/corporatist position on immigration is wildly unpopular.
People opposing this got an initiative on the ballot challenging this.
In the 2014 election, the deep blue voters of Oregon easily reelected the scandal-plagued left-wing governor (who had to resign a few weeks later), easily reelected one of the most left-wing people in the Senate - and voted down drivers licenses for illegals 2-1. (Because Oregon has vote by mail, turnout is high, even in non-Presidential years.)
This means **a lot** of people in Oregon voted for left-wing candidates, and still voted against giving more privileges to illegal immigrants.
Somehow, only Donald Trump has noticed that the Democratic/corporatist position on immigration is wildly unpopular.
Posted by: Blue, Blue Oregon at July 22, 2015 04:16 PM (Mrl1e)
557
From yesterday.
Candidate 1: "I like ice cream."
Candidate 2: "I like ice cream, too!"
Trump: "America is being raped."
Now look at how people react. They reveal much.
Nothing is stopping Cruz or Walker from saying what Trump said.
So many people want the same bowl of cold mush every four years. Maybe they will pour a little maple syrup on it this year. Oh, boy! I bet they will!
Calm, patient, orderly minds lining up for their portions, listening to the broadcast as they eat, returning to their tasks when done.
Candidate 1: "I like ice cream."
Candidate 2: "I like ice cream, too!"
Trump: "America is being raped."
Now look at how people react. They reveal much.
Nothing is stopping Cruz or Walker from saying what Trump said.
So many people want the same bowl of cold mush every four years. Maybe they will pour a little maple syrup on it this year. Oh, boy! I bet they will!
Calm, patient, orderly minds lining up for their portions, listening to the broadcast as they eat, returning to their tasks when done.
Posted by: eman at July 22, 2015 04:18 PM (MQEz6)
558
Watercress Sandwich 2016!
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 22, 2015 04:18 PM (oFCZn)
559
prescient11:
Repeating the word, "fucking", is not the same as having a strong argument.
I guess that was Romney's mistake - he didn't establish his conservative businessman cred by throwing money at Hillary Clinton. We can trust people who do that.
I find it hard to believe that one HAD to give money to Clinton in order to do business in NYC. If so, I'd say that sounds like corruption to me.
Repeating the word, "fucking", is not the same as having a strong argument.
I guess that was Romney's mistake - he didn't establish his conservative businessman cred by throwing money at Hillary Clinton. We can trust people who do that.
I find it hard to believe that one HAD to give money to Clinton in order to do business in NYC. If so, I'd say that sounds like corruption to me.
Posted by: dabhidh at July 22, 2015 04:20 PM (O6j2k)
560
FenelonSpoke:
I agree he won't get the nomination. He'll run third party and Hillary will be our next President.
I agree he won't get the nomination. He'll run third party and Hillary will be our next President.
Posted by: dabhidh at July 22, 2015 04:23 PM (O6j2k)
561
I could care less about Mexico' s immigration laws. My beef is not with laws but the anti Immigrant xenophobic rhetoric.
There was a shooting done by Jihadi last week and conservatives said nothing. If the shooter was Latino that is all conservatives would be talking about.
Conservatives are evil and satanic. They must be crushed and sent into political oblivion. They are worse than ISIS or Hezbollah.
Posted by: Ace is a Nazi at July 22, 2015 04:09 PM (tOy9k)
If those policies make us evil, Satanic and xenophobic, than they do the same to Mexico, most Latin American countries, and most countries in the world.
If you're willing to say the same thing about Mexico, most Latin American countries, and most countries in the world, get back to me.
Otherwise, get lost, because you don't believe your own bullshit.
There was a shooting done by Jihadi last week and conservatives said nothing. If the shooter was Latino that is all conservatives would be talking about.
Conservatives are evil and satanic. They must be crushed and sent into political oblivion. They are worse than ISIS or Hezbollah.
Posted by: Ace is a Nazi at July 22, 2015 04:09 PM (tOy9k)
If those policies make us evil, Satanic and xenophobic, than they do the same to Mexico, most Latin American countries, and most countries in the world.
If you're willing to say the same thing about Mexico, most Latin American countries, and most countries in the world, get back to me.
Otherwise, get lost, because you don't believe your own bullshit.
Posted by: AD at July 22, 2015 04:23 PM (yBmlR)
562
How come they can't go five minutes without stepping on their own dicks?
Those must be fake dicks. They do not have any actually.
Those must be fake dicks. They do not have any actually.
Posted by: Badda Bing at July 22, 2015 04:23 PM (BjKDP)
563
BTW, why am I arguing with a guy who says conservatives said nothing about the Jihadi last week? This is like arguing with a guy who insists the sky is purple.
Posted by: AD at July 22, 2015 04:24 PM (yBmlR)
564
I don't blindly follow anybody or anything... but I have observed over more than 20 years that Rush is usually right. I know Trump is a blowhard, egotist, hokey public media figure and all that....but if Rush doesn't dismiss him out of hand there just might be something to him.....just sayin....
Posted by: azjaeger at July 22, 2015 04:24 PM (Vxd5C)
565
my favorite thing about Bill Parcells and Bobby Knight was that they never failed to treat the media like the pieces of shit they viewed them as.
Posted by: X at July 22, 2015 04:27 PM (xGNLA)
566
Dabhidh:
Well that would explain why Trump has that yuuuuuge building in Manhattan and you don't.
Jesus. Are we this naïve?
Well that would explain why Trump has that yuuuuuge building in Manhattan and you don't.
Jesus. Are we this naïve?
Posted by: prescient11 at July 22, 2015 04:34 PM (q5APL)
567
Is that a joke? Tell you what, go run a billion dollar business IN NEW YORK FUCKING CITY and don't maintain relations with any democrat and watch your shit CRASH AND BURN. How fucking stupid is that?
Posted by: prescient11
She was a senator; not running NYC. Good try though.
Posted by: prescient11
She was a senator; not running NYC. Good try though.
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 22, 2015 04:38 PM (Spluw)
568
@287
Absolutely correct.
Even the marginal Republican candidates for president don't have the wherewithal to defend against the coming onslaught of the DNC/Media/Corruptocrat complex.
Trump does and will.
@287
Absolutely correct.
Even the marginal Republican candidates for president don't have the wherewithal to defend against the coming onslaught of the DNC/Media/Corruptocrat complex.
Trump does and will.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 22, 2015 04:48 PM (lc+1R)
569
"Yeah, the GOP establishment sucks. But how does one go from hating Boehner, McConnell, and Jeb to supporting an assclown like Trump, when there are other candidates like Ted Cruz running?"
Cruz isn't a natural born citizen no matter how much you and he lie about it. It's insulting to Constitutionalist voters.
And to top it off, Obamatrade, the Iran deal, and his wife's connections to Goldman Sachs make him very suspect.
Hell, his own father fought for Castro, made it America somehow, then on to Canada. That's a bizarre pattern right there.
Cruz isn't a natural born citizen no matter how much you and he lie about it. It's insulting to Constitutionalist voters.
And to top it off, Obamatrade, the Iran deal, and his wife's connections to Goldman Sachs make him very suspect.
Hell, his own father fought for Castro, made it America somehow, then on to Canada. That's a bizarre pattern right there.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 22, 2015 04:57 PM (lc+1R)
570
What I find funny about this post is that Ace himself has attempted to push his "base" (readers) towards certain candidates or away from certain candidates for YEARS.
Posted by: Justfactualthings at July 22, 2015 04:59 PM (oCxXI)
571
Screw 'consensus between the wings', it is time for a 3rd party. Vote in teh immediate elections to keep the Marxicrats out of power. But work every other minute to create a conservative replacement for the GOP. It is subsumed by RINO-Progressives. it is time to abandon it in place.
Posted by: rayra at July 22, 2015 05:15 PM (cKRAq)
572
@570
How dare a blogger have an opinion?!!!
How dare a blogger have an opinion?!!!
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at July 22, 2015 05:20 PM (rzXDT)
573
Remember that Classic Chuck Norris movie the Octagon?
When Chuck asks his quasi-brother "Why did you choose that weapon to master?"
Quasi-Brother "Because you fear it."
That's why we Choose Trump!
When Chuck asks his quasi-brother "Why did you choose that weapon to master?"
Quasi-Brother "Because you fear it."
That's why we Choose Trump!
Posted by: Paladin at July 22, 2015 05:24 PM (WujO7)
574
What I find funny about this post is that Ace himself has attempted to push his "base" (readers) towards certain candidates or away from certain candidates for YEARS.
Posted by: Justfactualthings at July 22, 2015 04:59 PM (oCxXI
Posted by: Justfactualthings at July 22, 2015 04:59 PM (oCxXI
Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 22, 2015 05:24 PM (XmOA9)
575
What I find funny about this post is that Ace himself has attempted to push his "base" (readers) towards certain candidates or away from certain candidates for YEARS.
Posted by: Justfactualthings at July 22, 2015 04:59 PM (oCxXI
There's nothing wrong with trying to be influential, nothing wrong with it at all. Most of the people posting here try to do the same, to some small degree.
These blogs are politics in the world of ideas. We stupid, inbred, and easily led all have our own ideas of how things should be, based on our understanding of the founding of the country.
Maybe we need to get past the politics of ideas, and get to the politics of Power, and Kicking Ass, because that where winning and losing happens.
Trump is offering free lessons on how to campaign, for those willing to watch and learn on what works. And what doesn't.
Time is short. For all the laughable infighting on the D side, when push comes to shove, they will coalesce AGAINST whoever the R candidate is.
Handling that with confidence will win the day.
Posted by: Justfactualthings at July 22, 2015 04:59 PM (oCxXI
There's nothing wrong with trying to be influential, nothing wrong with it at all. Most of the people posting here try to do the same, to some small degree.
These blogs are politics in the world of ideas. We stupid, inbred, and easily led all have our own ideas of how things should be, based on our understanding of the founding of the country.
Maybe we need to get past the politics of ideas, and get to the politics of Power, and Kicking Ass, because that where winning and losing happens.
Trump is offering free lessons on how to campaign, for those willing to watch and learn on what works. And what doesn't.
Time is short. For all the laughable infighting on the D side, when push comes to shove, they will coalesce AGAINST whoever the R candidate is.
Handling that with confidence will win the day.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 22, 2015 05:31 PM (XmOA9)
576
RE 543
Hector truly is a delusional twit. It's like he doesn't know where he is and nothing ever gets through.
There's just too much silly there to digest.
Hector truly is a delusional twit. It's like he doesn't know where he is and nothing ever gets through.
There's just too much silly there to digest.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 22, 2015 05:33 PM (1CroS)
577
prescient11:
Yeah, you're pretty naive if you think that I'm intimidated by the fact that Trump owns a building. Doesn't make him any less of a huckster.
Yeah, you're pretty naive if you think that I'm intimidated by the fact that Trump owns a building. Doesn't make him any less of a huckster.
Posted by: dabhidh at July 22, 2015 05:44 PM (7XBiP)
578
"How come [these Establishment Types] can't go five minutes without stepping on their own dicks?"
Because they're cynical, realistic, intelligent, elitist asshats.
"At what point do they begin to even consider the possibility that 25% of the party (and rising!) might have something useful to contribute to the discussion?"
Approximately never, because the past three election cycles have demonstrated that the Trump faction, while earnest, concerned for the future, and patriotic, are also incredibly short-sighted, credulous, and burdened with a bunch of insane and incorrect ideas about how the world works.
Because they're cynical, realistic, intelligent, elitist asshats.
"At what point do they begin to even consider the possibility that 25% of the party (and rising!) might have something useful to contribute to the discussion?"
Approximately never, because the past three election cycles have demonstrated that the Trump faction, while earnest, concerned for the future, and patriotic, are also incredibly short-sighted, credulous, and burdened with a bunch of insane and incorrect ideas about how the world works.
Posted by: Schmendrick at July 22, 2015 07:18 PM (TCmuf)
579
ACE: "and I'm starting to have my doubts about of the legal kind, too, to be honest with you."
ITA. We have such high unemployment right now that we don't need to be importing even the BEST from foreign countries. Why do we need Indian or Chinese engineers taking the jobs of American engineers?
Also, Ann Coulter made a great point on Hannity the other night against legal immigration, too. She said the Chattanooga shooter was here LEGALLY. We need to stop all immigration for awhile.
ITA. We have such high unemployment right now that we don't need to be importing even the BEST from foreign countries. Why do we need Indian or Chinese engineers taking the jobs of American engineers?
Also, Ann Coulter made a great point on Hannity the other night against legal immigration, too. She said the Chattanooga shooter was here LEGALLY. We need to stop all immigration for awhile.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at July 22, 2015 07:21 PM (xetep)
580
ACE/CHARLES JOHNSON and MATT LEWIS are clutching their pearls again so the 'vapors' can't be far behind.
Perhaps a shopping trip to Macys and a stop at the local grocer for tampons and pads are in order for the boys.
I'll babysit your fucking cat...
ACE/CHARLES JOHNSON and MATT LEWIS are clutching their pearls again so the 'vapors' can't be far behind.
Perhaps a shopping trip to Macys and a stop at the local grocer for tampons and pads are in order for the boys.
I'll babysit your fucking cat...
Posted by: NYDOLLS at July 22, 2015 07:21 PM (aHX05)
581
Ace, dear, the Establishment can NEVER "listen" to the grassroots or do anything that we want because of these three words: Chamber. Of. Commerce. Period. End of story. GOPe is in bed with Tom Donahue. Nothing will break their bond... EXCEPT a wrecking ball like Trump.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at July 22, 2015 07:24 PM (xetep)
582
<blockquote>"Expecting things to shift radically back on the snap
of a finger is fantasy talk. Get super-majorities of Rs and an R
president in 2017 and maybe it might happen that quickly. We'll still be
fighting then entire press, though.
Stop making the perfect the enemy of the good, and fantasy the enemy of the possible.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:56 PM (ljZD2)"</blockquote>
Give me an example, any example, of the Republican MAJORITY in both houses of Congress fighting back against the Left on one thing. Give me an example of one attempt to push back. Give me an issue where the default response of the Republican Party has not been to first attack their own base harder than they would ever dream of attacking a Democrat.
of a finger is fantasy talk. Get super-majorities of Rs and an R
president in 2017 and maybe it might happen that quickly. We'll still be
fighting then entire press, though.
Stop making the perfect the enemy of the good, and fantasy the enemy of the possible.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at July 22, 2015 02:56 PM (ljZD2)"</blockquote>
Give me an example, any example, of the Republican MAJORITY in both houses of Congress fighting back against the Left on one thing. Give me an example of one attempt to push back. Give me an issue where the default response of the Republican Party has not been to first attack their own base harder than they would ever dream of attacking a Democrat.
Posted by: Subotai Bahadur at July 22, 2015 07:37 PM (ksixO)
583
119
It's too bad we hadn't started an actual 3rd Party years ago
Why, yes it is. The idea came up as soon as Obama was elected, in the wake of the complete Republican collapse in the financial firestorm of 2008. But the "pragmatic" voices advised against it. It was too risky! It would guarantee Democrat dominance for the next 3 presidential cycles, and what about the Supreme Court??? So the plan instead was to "infiltrate" the GOP from the ground up and take it over that way.
Now here we are 7 years later, with nothing to show for all that smart pragmatism. And if the third party HAD formed in 2009, it might be electing members to Congress by now.
119
It's too bad we hadn't started an actual 3rd Party years ago
Why, yes it is. The idea came up as soon as Obama was elected, in the wake of the complete Republican collapse in the financial firestorm of 2008. But the "pragmatic" voices advised against it. It was too risky! It would guarantee Democrat dominance for the next 3 presidential cycles, and what about the Supreme Court??? So the plan instead was to "infiltrate" the GOP from the ground up and take it over that way.
Now here we are 7 years later, with nothing to show for all that smart pragmatism. And if the third party HAD formed in 2009, it might be electing members to Congress by now.
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at July 22, 2015 08:49 PM (VBbCO)
584
Burn it down? Hell yeah! I'm planning a resentment vote for 2016. After they reveald themselves to be the the truly evil sacks of shit they are during the 2012 Republican Party convention wherein they nominated the ONLY candidate that BHO could possibly hope to beat (OK, he could have beaten Santorum as well, but it would have at least been closer...), no---no--- after that, I'll do ANYTHING to put a bullet in the brainpan of the fucking evil goddamned GOP. Vote Hillery? For shit sure! hell, I'd vote for a yellow dog before I'd vote for any of the bullshit "conservatives" currently pouring out of the GOP clown car.
Posted by: OleanderSalad at July 22, 2015 09:00 PM (WIIas)
585
Matt K Lewis has made a career of attacking conservatives, his usefulness begins and ends at getting guest spots on MSDNC. On Twitter he once referred to Michelle Malkin as 'disgusting'.
Posted by: waelse1 at July 22, 2015 09:12 PM (jYtp1)
586
Ace, the song pick is genius. I think a lot of people are tired of toein' the line, too. "Don't tread on me"!
Posted by: Frank at July 22, 2015 09:29 PM (xBbY1)
587
The primary (and nearly sole) reason that Rush won't denounce Trump is because if he does it will also kill immigration as a political issue.
Taking a serious stance against illegal immigration will become relegated to the Clown Fringe as symbolized by Trump.
And if that happens - if the issue of illegal immigration becomes even modestly diluted - liberals could soon achieve a total demographic wipe out of the Republican party and the Conservative movement.
Rush is correct in propping up Trump. - In the reasonable hope that the GOP will be forced to take up the issue of halting the wave of illegal immigration that threatens to permanently change our culture and politics such that the Conservative movement would be left without a voice.
The primary (and nearly sole) reason that Rush won't denounce Trump is because if he does it will also kill immigration as a political issue.
Taking a serious stance against illegal immigration will become relegated to the Clown Fringe as symbolized by Trump.
And if that happens - if the issue of illegal immigration becomes even modestly diluted - liberals could soon achieve a total demographic wipe out of the Republican party and the Conservative movement.
Rush is correct in propping up Trump. - In the reasonable hope that the GOP will be forced to take up the issue of halting the wave of illegal immigration that threatens to permanently change our culture and politics such that the Conservative movement would be left without a voice.
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Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party"
Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad
Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up
Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry
NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind
All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
Greatest Hitjobs
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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