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Iran "Deal" Includes Secret Side Agreements as to How Obama Will Treat Important Iranian Nuke Facilities... and When I Say Secret, I Mean It's Not Released to Congress, and Not Even Released to Other Negotiating Partners
Just a secret side-deal between an America-hating ideologically-bent fascist, and the Iranian president.
Isn't that just swell. We heard about this some time ago, when Obama's spinners claimed that just because some things would be kept secret from everybody but the Mullahs, didn't mean they were actually secret. Meanwhile:Ayatollah Khamenei told supporters on Saturday that U.S. policies in the region were "180 degrees" opposed to Iran's, at a speech in a Tehran mosque punctuated by chants of "Death to America" and "Death to Israel". "Even after this deal our policy towards the arrogant U.S. will not change," Khamenei said.Via Hot Air. The Administration was recently spinning that they were not counting on any change of behavior on Iran's part due to this deal. That's a complete lie. These diplomatic easy lays were convinced Iran would be our Bestest Frwiends Ever, if we just gave them their nukes. Because they hinted that, or claimed that, at the negotiating table. Well, now they've got their nukes and they don't have to lie anymore so guess what, assholes? You were played. You let them f*** you up the a**** and you didn't even get a Sorry I Broke Your Assh***, Asshole condolences card.
Open Thread.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: fluffy at July 21, 2015 08:21 PM (2iV3X)
I'd say that's nonbinding.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2015 08:21 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: naturalfake at July 21, 2015 08:21 PM (KUa85)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2015 08:21 PM (rwI+c)
If Congress doesn't get a vote, it ain't binding.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 21, 2015 08:22 PM (HalrA)
Posted by: fluffy at July 21, 2015 08:22 PM (2iV3X)
Posted by: Obama smooching the Mullahs Cracks at July 21, 2015 08:22 PM (cNtqS)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2015 08:22 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 21, 2015 08:23 PM (kGrdk)
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/selection-du-weekend-149-54.jpg
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2015 08:23 PM (U3X+h)
Posted by: BignJames at July 21, 2015 08:23 PM (HtUkt)
They're going to have to, thanks to our cowardly Secretariat of State.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at July 21, 2015 08:23 PM (HalrA)
Posted by: some random meathead at July 21, 2015 08:23 PM (cNtqS)
Posted by: GOP monkeys, fucking a nuclear football at July 21, 2015 08:24 PM (z9azR)
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at July 21, 2015 08:24 PM (c4yY7)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2015 08:24 PM (U3X+h)
Posted by: gewa76 at July 21, 2015 08:25 PM (S9rS1)
Boy, I'm so totes mad about this!
Posted by: Sen Ted LCF Cruz
Moi aussi!
Posted by: Sen Marco "Mailbox Head" Rubio
*crickets*
Posted by: Sen Rand Paul
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 21, 2015 08:25 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: GOP/e at July 21, 2015 08:25 PM (cNtqS)
12 If Trump comments on this I will ...finish.
In my pants.
Posted by: some random meathead
He can only bad mouth republicans. Democrats not so much
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 21, 2015 08:26 PM (QhfQc)
Posted by: Scott Walker at July 21, 2015 08:26 PM (cNtqS)
Posted by: heat of the moment at July 21, 2015 08:27 PM (jPgGR)
Makes me wonder about where the path to the Valley of Decision will meander and if it will be in my lifetime.
Posted by: fluffy at July 21, 2015 08:27 PM (2iV3X)
Posted by: Old Blue at July 21, 2015 08:27 PM (9iR5/)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 08:27 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Lindsey Graham at July 21, 2015 08:27 PM (cNtqS)
Posted by: wth at July 21, 2015 08:27 PM (wAQA5)
Trump said he would've doubled or tripled down on the sanctions and then let them stew before trying to cut a deal.
I haven't a clue what any other GOP candidates would've done since they're either not talking about it or don't have any ideas.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 21, 2015 08:27 PM (oFCZn)
Obama will soon put a stop to that as well.
Posted by: Decaf at July 21, 2015 08:28 PM (xm2dE)
Posted by: ace at July 21, 2015 08:28 PM (k6rRO)
Posted by: TrivialPursuer
Again? once is not enough?
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 21, 2015 08:28 PM (QdAXQ)
there is a side deal to release $150 billion or so in Iranian assets, as long as they agree they will not either announce they have a nuc, or test one, while Obama is in Office...
Posted by: BB Wolf at July 21, 2015 08:28 PM (qh617)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 08:29 PM (OGm46)
Posted by: Yertle McConnel at July 21, 2015 08:29 PM (VY8H5)
Well they can, but its hard enough to get everyone within one of those Arabic nations to actually work together, let alone several of them. So tribal.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 08:29 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: ace at July 21, 2015 08:28 PM (k6rRO
Hmm that's what you call it these days
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 21, 2015 08:29 PM (QhfQc)
Hitler is a fine fellow!
Posted by: Neville Chamberlain at July 21, 2015 08:30 PM (cNtqS)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2015 08:30 PM (U3X+h)
That's a bonus for President Power Bottom.
Posted by: fluffy at July 21, 2015 08:30 PM (2iV3X)
Well they'd be right. But congress could, and would not.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 08:30 PM (39g3+)
They are close enough geographically that they will glow together as well.
All any of them can hope for is the next U.S. president to be Republican.
Posted by: Decaf at July 21, 2015 08:30 PM (xm2dE)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2015 08:30 PM (U3X+h)
Is that when a guy asks a pretty girl out, via the web?
Posted by: BB Wolf at July 21, 2015 08:31 PM (qh617)
I cannot imagine any other time in history that the Great Powers would have taken shit like this from the likes of them.
Posted by: Grump928(C) notes at July 21, 2015 08:31 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Ben Carson at July 21, 2015 08:31 PM (cNtqS)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2015 08:31 PM (U3X+h)
Posted by: eman at July 21, 2015 08:31 PM (MQEz6)
Good evening all. And all I have to say is, fuck EMP's. If Israel were to unleash all it's full megatonage on Iran, I would not be have any compunctions.
Fuck the hijackers of our nation. And death to Islam.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2015 08:31 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: DaveA at July 21, 2015 08:31 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Hassan Rouhani at July 21, 2015 08:32 PM (rVQpn)
Posted by: eman at July 21, 2015 08:32 PM (MQEz6)
You were played.
Played?
Amigo, Obama owns the TROPHY t-shirt in this relationship.
Posted by: Yertle McConnel at July 21, 2015 08:32 PM (VY8H5)
Posted by: Rick Perry at July 21, 2015 08:32 PM (cNtqS)
Posted by: Doomed at July 21, 2015 08:32 PM (bGLSw)
So when B.O. leaves office the secrets belong to Hillary!?
*furiously continues digging bomb shelter*
Posted by: wth at July 21, 2015 08:32 PM (wAQA5)
So about that Blagojevich. Or however his name is spelled.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 08:33 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Old Blue at July 21, 2015 08:33 PM (9iR5/)
Ace, it's like that joke about the hunter and the bear in the woods.
Posted by: Decaf at July 21, 2015 08:33 PM (xm2dE)
Posted by: Jeb! at July 21, 2015 08:33 PM (cNtqS)
OT:
I find myself playing air drums and keyboards simultaneously on Simple Minds" "Alive and Kicking."
Et vous?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2015 08:33 PM (St6BJ)
Israel doesn't have nukes. They'll just jail you for 20 years for photographing a particular fence in the Negev.
Posted by: fluffy at July 21, 2015 08:34 PM (2iV3X)
With 3 other Morons and AtC we could take on Tyson - for about 5 seconds.
Posted by: DaveA at July 21, 2015 08:34 PM (DL2i+)
Fuck the hijackers of our nation. And death to Islam.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2015 08:31 PM (St6BJ)
Simply put, I'm in full agreement
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 21, 2015 08:34 PM (QhfQc)
The Ayatollahs took Kerry to the cleaners, leaving him with just a long face.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2015 08:34 PM (U3X+h)
What is this "played" thing of which you speak? I believe our President got EXACTLY what he wanted: a nuclear Iran and neutered US and Israel.
And the Republican majority for which we voted in Congress PRE-APPROVED the deal.
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It's not a mortgage, you asshats!
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Posted by: Agent J at July 21, 2015 08:34 PM (ueOgE)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 08:34 PM (39g3+)
Hope I Didn't Break Your Assh*** Too Much, Asshole condolences card.
What's the first one? Asshemp? Asshack? Asshumanitarian?
Posted by: imp at July 21, 2015 08:34 PM (XIXZz)
Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at July 21, 2015 08:35 PM (Ui7Rt)
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July 21, 2015 08:35 PM (xVgrA)
Posted by: wth at July 21, 2015 08:35 PM (wAQA5)
So I should really visit Israel while I can.
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio
Save the airfare. Charred ashen bits of it will be wafting your way soon enough.
Come to think of it, if you were also planning a trip to New York.....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 21, 2015 08:35 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Jeb Bush at July 21, 2015 08:36 PM (ueOgE)
Posted by: Nikki Haley at July 21, 2015 08:36 PM (cNtqS)
During this meeting, it was disclosed that two undisclosed side deals are part of the greater agreement between Iran and the IAEA.
That would be the International Atomic Energy Agency. No surprise Obama took this to the UN first, it was his intention all along.
Obama has always wanted to outsource our foreign policy to the UN. Now he has.
Follow the money indeed.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 08:36 PM (OGm46)
Posted by: Jeb Bush at July 21, 2015 08:36 PM (ueOgE)
All intercourse is rape. Consensual or not. The Womyn's sez so.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2015 08:37 PM (St6BJ)
Well they can, but its hard enough to get everyone within one of those Arabic nations to actually work together, let alone several of them. So tribal.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 08:29 PM (39g3+)
Yeah, but OTOH, Situational Motivation.
Posted by: BuddyPC at July 21, 2015 08:37 PM (jfUIE)
The waitress says, "Table for one, Mr. President?"
Posted by: zombie at July 21, 2015 08:39 PM (jBuUi)
Played?
Amigo, Obama owns the TROPHY t-shirt in this relationship.
Posted by: Yertle McConnel at July 21, 2015 08:32 PM (VY8H5)
.................................
and J. f'nKerry gets the I'M WITH STUPID one?
with 3 arrows pointing to B.O., Moniz, and one at his chin?
Posted by: wth at July 21, 2015 08:39 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at July 21, 2015 08:35 PM (Ui7Rt)
About 10 generations. Of drosophila. If that.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2015 08:40 PM (St6BJ)
When people ask me, "Rick - how do you feel about this Iran nuclear deal?", I usually reply, "Gnaft! Bip dripple dip!"
Because I still don't have my dosage quiiiiite right.
Posted by: Gov Rick "Thrilled to be Pilled" Perry
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 21, 2015 08:40 PM (kdS6q)
They don't even give you the courtesy of a reach-around.
Not a deal-killer, mind you. But some manners would be nice in such things."
Posted by: Barack Hussien Obama at July 21, 2015 08:40 PM (72D6h)
*facepalm* THEN WHAT WAS THE POINT??
Posted by: Grump928(C) notes at July 21, 2015 08:40 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Iranian negotiator at July 21, 2015 08:40 PM (z9azR)
Posted by: Jeb Bush at July 21, 2015 08:36 PM (ueOgE)
All intercourse is rape. Consensual or not. The Womyn's sez so.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2015 08:37 PM
Mrs. MH enjoys
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 21, 2015 08:40 PM (QhfQc)
Posted by: Jack at July 21, 2015 08:40 PM (53CCM)
Israel doesn't have nukes. They'll just jail you for 20 years for photographing a particular fence in the Negev.
Posted by: fluffy at July 21, 2015 08:34 PM (2iV3X)
Captain Willard, I presume.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2015 08:41 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: zombie at July 21, 2015 08:41 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Both Houses of Congress (R) at July 21, 2015 08:41 PM (cNtqS)
***
Israel completely cowed and broken, or vaporized. Either or.
Posted by: Doomed at July 21, 2015 08:41 PM (bGLSw)
An America-hating Muslim, a postmodern communist, a terrorist, an anti-Semitic progressive, and Barack Obama walk into a trendy restaurant.
................................
Thehostess says: "Can we lend you a jacket, Mr. President?"
Posted by: wth at July 21, 2015 08:42 PM (wAQA5)
(But sadly for you rubes out there, we made sure the fix was in and this second vote is completely meaningless, so we hope you have potassium iodide pills handy. We sure have ours! Suckers!!!1!)
Posted by: John Boeher and Mitch McConnell at July 21, 2015 08:42 PM (ueOgE)
Posted by: blaster at July 21, 2015 08:42 PM (2Ocf1)
If the new President does not immediately arrest TFG for treason, they should be arrested themselves.
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 21, 2015 08:43 PM (7YlUk)
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at July 21, 2015 08:43 PM (RrhhB)
Posted by: GOP at July 21, 2015 08:43 PM (oFCZn)
As the Republican party has already rubber stamped the treaty, why shouldn't The One give the Iranians everything they ask for?
Seriously, why were they elected?
Posted by: rayj at July 21, 2015 08:44 PM (pI/IV)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 08:44 PM (39g3+)
Obama could be wearing a Trophy shirt.
Posted by: blaster
You mean Trophy burka. Women in t-shirts is haram.
Posted by: Hassan Rouhani at July 21, 2015 08:44 PM (rVQpn)
Posted by: eman at July 21, 2015 08:44 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2015 08:44 PM (sdi6R)
If the new President does not immediately arrest TFG for treason, they should be arrested themselves.
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 21, 2015 08:43 PM (7YlUk)
Not only will I have him arrested, I'll have him sentenced to hard labor building the wall.
Posted by: Donald Trump at July 21, 2015 08:45 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Senator John McCain (R) at July 21, 2015 08:45 PM (cNtqS)
Posted by: freaked at July 21, 2015 08:45 PM (BO/km)
Interesting side note. Chamberlain died of cancer less than a year, IIRC, after Hitler invaded France and Belgium. But he knew what he had wrought.
Posted by: Old Blue at July 21, 2015 08:45 PM (9iR5/)
Israel doesn't have nukes. They'll just jail you for 20 years for photographing a particular fence in the Negev.
___________________
And if Israel tries to bomb Iran's nuke facilities, Obama's "deal" requires us to use our military to protect . . . Iran's nukes.
If that doesn't make you want to puke, there is something wrong with you.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 21, 2015 08:45 PM (kGrdk)
Doesn't jibe with, "You were played."
Obama got just what he wanted, a nuclear Iran, he didn't get played. The country did, Bob Corker did, but not Obama.
Posted by: BuckIV at July 21, 2015 08:45 PM (CLfqv)
Iranian Mullah: "But first you will blow me, Mr. Kerry!"
Kerry: "But I washed my asshole just for you!"
Iranian Mullah: "OK, OK -- but no lube! Anal first, then you clean it off with your Satan's tongue!"
Posted by: zombie at July 21, 2015 08:46 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 21, 2015 08:46 PM (XAFOu)
Well played, I really got a laugh out of that even in these perilous times!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 21, 2015 08:46 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July 21, 2015 08:46 PM (xVgrA)
stem to stern with warheads three deep, because those guys will not go
quietly this time
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 08:44 PM (39g3+)<<<
Dolphin rape.
Posted by: Israeli submarines at July 21, 2015 08:46 PM (z9azR)
If the new President does not immediately arrest TFG for treason, they should be arrested themselves.
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 21, 2015 08:43 PM (7YlUk)
Crystal ball says, no conviction
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 21, 2015 08:46 PM (QhfQc)
So... the entire purpose was to change our behavior toward Iran? Got it. This would explain Obama golfing and partying while Iranians tried to throw off the tyrannical Muslim government.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 08:47 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: wth at July 21, 2015 08:47 PM (wAQA5)
They fu*ked us in the ass.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 21, 2015 08:46 PM (XAFOu)
I TOLD Kerry! I TOLD him! Don't go through the drive-through!
Posted by: Joe Pesci at July 21, 2015 08:48 PM (ueOgE)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2015 08:48 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2015 08:48 PM (VqIDB)
So, pretty much exactly like the GOP's last two presidential nominees, huh?
Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at July 21, 2015 08:48 PM (n7S48)
Posted by: Carly Fiorina at July 21, 2015 08:48 PM (cNtqS)
Posted by: DangerGirl in a daze at July 21, 2015 08:49 PM (q20+R)
I wasted two hours of my life with a lib explaining to them that no deal is usually better than any deal. What a maroon.
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at July 21, 2015 08:49 PM (RrhhB)
Posted by: GOP sources say... at July 21, 2015 08:49 PM (Ui7Rt)
Posted by: eman at July 21, 2015 08:49 PM (MQEz6)
If that doesn't make you want to puke, there is something wrong with you.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 21, 2015 08:45 PM (kGrdk)
Mass mutiny by American forces. I cannot imagine any American soldier or unit doing otherwise. Flag officers, yeah. Sure. But the average dog-face? No fucking way.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2015 08:49 PM (St6BJ)
They should've consulted with Mattress Girl. She could've told them taking it up the ass never improves the relationships
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at July 21, 2015 08:50 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: dissent555 at July 21, 2015 08:50 PM (yR6A1)
Posted by: BuckIV at July 21, 2015 08:50 PM (CLfqv)
About the only thing we can hope for is that the House of Saud will follow through with their stated intention to acquire nuclear weapons for the Kingdom if Iran goes nuclear, and that the Saudis and the Iranians will then both end up nuking each other so thoroughly that it'll be fifty thousand years before anyone is around in either place to stir up trouble.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 21, 2015 08:50 PM (noWW6)
Iranian Mullah: "Shut up, girlish infidels! We demand your Jew-scientists deliver 24 functional bombs to us by 2018!"
Kerry: "Would 36 bombs by 2017 be acceptable?"
Iranian Mullah: "Only if we get 60 F-18s in the bargain, worm!"
Kerry: "Make it 75 F-18s and we have a deal."
Posted by: zombie at July 21, 2015 08:51 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: DangerGirl in a daze at July 21, 2015 08:49 PM (q20+R)
Ah a 3some
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 21, 2015 08:51 PM (QhfQc)
They should've consulted with Mattress Girl. She could've told them taking it up the ass never improves the relationships
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at July 21, 2015 08:50 PM (zOTsN)
Wait. Sulkowicz wears a strap-on? Sheesh, with the mattress on her head she sounds like an act on Ed Sullivan.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2015 08:51 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at July 21, 2015 08:51 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 08:51 PM (39g3+)
>>In Wednesday's interview Laurent Fabius stressed there could be significant opportunities for French companies following the reintegration of Iran into the international community after sanctions are lifted
Trade is very important it allows growth Fabius said This is very important for the Iranians and it's very important for us
Punctuation removed because blog.
http://tinyurl.com/qcjehtc
Obama never had any intention of submitting this to Congress as a treaty. The whole point was to capitulate to our betters in the "world community.
Socialists gonna socialist.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 08:52 PM (OGm46)
That guy should have sent her a card. And some witch hazel.
Posted by: freaked at July 21, 2015 08:52 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: BuckIV
My tears of laughter are bitter, but copious!
Posted by: zombie at July 21, 2015 08:52 PM (jBuUi)
Iran hates America, Obama hates America, Kerry hates America. Sounds like the perfect partnership to me.
How come we always get left out?
Posted by: GOP/e : far too cowardly to hate at July 21, 2015 08:52 PM (cNtqS)
Secret documents obtained by Vox and Gawker show that Kerry was told to walk away if the Iranians demanded 1,000 iPhone 6+'s loaded with Katy Perry and Taylor Swift songs, Obama's greatest speeches, and the audio of "Dreams of My Father."
Posted by: Agent J at July 21, 2015 08:53 PM (ueOgE)
The easiest way to tell the Idiot from the Expert -- you don't even bother to have to listen to their opinions this way -- is to determine if anyone is seeking those opinions out, or if that person is contriving new ways to inflict those opinions upon unwilling strangers.
If you're pushing your unsolicited opinions on strangers, and have to resort to the tools of coercion to make yourself heard: Guess what, Idiot? -Ace-
What's he trying to tell us in that last thread.....
Posted by: OneEyedJack trying not to take it personally at July 21, 2015 08:53 PM (XmOA9)
Posted by: If I had a sergeant major I'd win this bloody war at July 21, 2015 08:53 PM (oca9z)
But only from the waist up. And she can't sing that song about lighting fires unless she changes the lyrics.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 08:53 PM (39g3+)
It takes a whole different expertise to build a fusion nuke when you start getting up into the megaton range. But it may only take them 10 to 15 years to figure it out. The information is probably readily available.
That said, with the information already available on the interwebz, I could build a fission device. Getting the necessary materials is somewhat more problematic.
Posted by: Old Blue at July 21, 2015 08:53 PM (9iR5/)
Posted by: torquewrench at July 21, 2015 08:50 PM (noWW6)
Remember that Iran is the same bunch of losers that fought Iraq to a stalemate. What a cluster it would be to watch these guys,, the Gulf States and the Sauds go at it with each other.
The only thing we should concede to the half-wit Iranians is enough ground to bury their dead.
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at July 21, 2015 08:54 PM (RrhhB)
Posted by: Mossad at July 21, 2015 08:54 PM (cNtqS)
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 21, 2015 08:43 PM (7YlUk)
Crystal ball says, no conviction
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 21, 2015 08:46 PM (QhfQc)
Tanned, rested, and ready!
Posted by: Zombie Agusto Pinochet at July 21, 2015 08:54 PM (7YlUk)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 08:51 PM
____
Touche'
Posted by: BuckIV at July 21, 2015 08:54 PM (CLfqv)
"My friends, you have nothing to fear with irant having the nuclear bomb."
--jon mclame
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July 21, 2015 08:54 PM (xVgrA)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 08:55 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Agent J at July 21, 2015 08:53 PM (ueOgE)
Fair enough.
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at July 21, 2015 08:55 PM (RrhhB)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 08:51 PM
____
Touche'
Posted by: BuckIV at July 21, 2015 08:54 PM (CLfqv)
A little mood music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eukb4C2Dg-E
Posted by: The Neutron Emiting Hat at July 21, 2015 08:55 PM (7YlUk)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at July 21, 2015 08:56 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 08:56 PM (OGm46)
Posted by: Doris from Ashberry,Vt. at July 21, 2015 08:56 PM (jdNN5)
Posted by: A terrible accident at the Iranian Nuclear Facility at July 21, 2015 08:56 PM (cNtqS)
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2015 08:56 PM (e3bId)
"My friends, you have nothing to fear with irant having the nuclear bomb."
--jon mclame
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July 21, 2015 08
Makes me want to twist an arm oops did I write that out Loud?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 21, 2015 08:56 PM (QhfQc)
* * *
They've already anticipated that. Cutting mid-level Constitutional loyalists; allowing drag queens; pressuring or converting top brass.
Posted by: Doomed at July 21, 2015 08:57 PM (bGLSw)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer
Has a "summer of 1914" feel to it, doesn't it?
Posted by: The Guns of August at July 21, 2015 08:57 PM (rVQpn)
Posted by: RandomPokerHand at July 21, 2015 08:57 PM (B3WeQ)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 08:57 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2015 08:58 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Buzzion at July 21, 2015 08:58 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Old Blue at July 21, 2015 08:53 PM (9iR5/)
They have been working on nucs since the Shah....
and you don't need to build an ICBM, just build one into a Jetliner...
They are not looking to hit us... yet... and if Israel starts splashing Airliners??? bad JuJu...
Posted by: BB Wolf at July 21, 2015 08:58 PM (qh617)
Posted by: GOP/e at July 21, 2015 08:58 PM (cNtqS)
Feels more like just before WWI when everyone basically knew war was coming, and it kept building up in tension all around the world.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 08:59 PM (39g3+)
Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida? Yeah I think we'd kick their asses.
Posted by: Big V at July 21, 2015 08:59 PM (9rgyU)
Yeah, because nuclear war in the Middle East is exactly what we've all been hoping for.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 21, 2015 08:59 PM (b65cm)
I'm looking for a phenomenal blogpost that gets linked here from time to time that goes into great detail about the Leftwing nature of Fascism.
I seem to have lost the bookmark. Sorry for the vagueness.
zombie? You're pretty good with this stuff, help a moron out?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 21, 2015 08:59 PM (xSCb6)
Sort of makes that two month exercise in the west a bit spooky
Metric shit ton of bases in Texas. Which is the focus of the exercise
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at July 21, 2015 08:59 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Doomed at July 21, 2015 08:57 PM (bGLSw)
I keep picturing the scene from "Dr. Zhivago" where they shoot one officer and he slides dead into the barrel and the rest drag the general with the monocle and beat him to death with rifle butts.
Just a warm fuzzy thought.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2015 09:00 PM (St6BJ)
There aren't many things which would ever induce me to travel to Cleveland, but one such thing would be the chance to stand outside of the Republican National Convention premises next year, with a great big sign reminding everyone of that nasty little fact.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 21, 2015 09:00 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at July 21, 2015 09:00 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 09:00 PM (39g3+)
officer and he slides dead into the barrel and the rest drag the general
with the monocle and beat him to death with rifle butts.
Just a warm fuzzy thought.
***
Dreaming is fun, I agree.
Posted by: Doomed at July 21, 2015 09:00 PM (bGLSw)
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Another look at that Malaysian airliner that went missing into the mist?
Posted by: Old Blue at July 21, 2015 09:01 PM (9iR5/)
Posted by: Chi at July 21, 2015 09:01 PM (uKWAY)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at July 21, 2015 08:56 PM (zOTsN)
I'm with you. I am no longer scared for myself for a variety of reasons, but I am scared to death of what these traitorous imbeciles have gifted my children and grand-children with. Wars and rumors of wars indeed!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 21, 2015 09:01 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at July 21, 2015 09:00 PM (zOTsN)
They're playing Candyland. Not Risk. Or even Battleship.
You ascribe to much smarts to them. Yeah, they're clever. Up to a point.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2015 09:01 PM (St6BJ)
Hehehehe. Heh.
Just as plain as the fcuking noses on their faces and yet they saw nothing. Children. Just children.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 09:02 PM (vHOq/)
As horrible and undesirable as it would be, it would solve a lot of problems. Nuking themselves into the stone age would definitely reduce world tensions significantly.
Of course, then who'd rush into get all that oil in the name of rebuilding? Hint: not us, under Obama.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 09:02 PM (39g3+)
BBL.
Posted by: Old Blue at July 21, 2015 09:03 PM (9iR5/)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 09:02 PM (vHOq/)
Maybe.
OR, maybe they know exactly what they're doing.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 09:03 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 21, 2015 09:03 PM (e8kgV)
I also picture the movie "Seven Days in May."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2015 09:03 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Old Blue at July 21, 2015 09:04 PM (9iR5/)
157 Who's that prick that kept saying "Keep your kids out of the military" ?
Posted by: RandomPokerHand at July 21, 2015 08:57 PM (B3WeQ)
Scoggdog. Ace nuked him for some other reason.
Posted by: Buzzion at July 21, 2015 09:04 PM (z/Ubi)
Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida? Yeah I think we'd kick their asses.
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**snort** funny but basically true....
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July 21, 2015 09:04 PM (xVgrA)
Mass mutiny
Sort of makes that two month exercise in the west a bit spooky
Metric shit ton of bases in Texas. Which is the focus of the exercise
This SOB will NOT go quietly.
One year ago me would seriously laugh at TODAY me.
He will play the FDR card. " Events dictate that I should remain in charge for another term".
He will get us into a hot war and walk away with the keys to the nuclear football in his pocket.
He will intern his enemies in camps and declare himself Emperor.
I doubt none of these options anymore.
Posted by: GOP/e at July 21, 2015 09:04 PM (cNtqS)
Posted by: A terrible accident at the Iranian Nuclear Facility
"Reza, don't you think those centrifuges are spinning a little faster than normal today?"
"They sound fine to me..."
(Whirring sound in background suddenly rises in pitch.)
"Reza, did you use a thumb drive to upload Nikki Minaj videos again? Have you never heard of Stuxnet?"
(Reza humming to himself): "My anaconda don't/want/none, if you ain't/got/buns!"
(Scene cuts to a view through military binoculars of the facility, from 15 miles away.)
"FA-BOOM!!!"
(Mushroom cloud rises slowly into the sky.)
Posted by: zombie at July 21, 2015 09:04 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: some random meathead at July 21, 2015 09:04 PM (cNtqS)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at July 21, 2015 09:00 PM (zOTsN)<<<
We enjoy mass
Posted by: The Coneheads at July 21, 2015 09:04 PM (z9azR)
BBL.
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We have never had a problem with that!
Posted by: Bobby Cox at July 21, 2015 09:05 PM (jdNN5)
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us SMOD at July 21, 2015 09:05 PM (IrByp)
http://tinyurl.com/o6n2hru
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 09:05 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 21, 2015 09:05 PM (10ydV)
Okay. Satisfied on Indian food and wine, Mega Millions tickets in hand, and enraged at everything. Off to bed.
See you anon, fellow rape-shifters.
Keep it IS-real.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 21, 2015 09:05 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Burn the Witch
I'm so burned out by reality, my gumption-meter has hit zero.
Posted by: zombie at July 21, 2015 09:06 PM (jBuUi)
Affirmative Action Jackson is a traitor to America and a traitor to Freedom and Liberty.
Posted by: Garrett at July 21, 2015 09:06 PM (99p1B)
Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida? Yeah I think we'd kick their asses.
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**snort** funny but basically true....
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July
Wisconsin, Czechoslavia
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 21, 2015 09:07 PM (QhfQc)
Posted by: freaked at July 21, 2015 09:07 PM (BO/km)
come up with Right Now, is fissionable nukes. Something on the order of
Hiroshima."
Fission warhead designs can't be plausibly scaled to a megaton or higher, but they can be scaled most of the way to a megaton. The Iranians won't be building anything that size right out of the gate, but they will eventually be able to.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 21, 2015 09:08 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: some random meathead at July 21, 2015 09:08 PM (cNtqS)
Posted by: The Aristocrats at July 21, 2015 09:08 PM (WVvzl)
Posted by: zombie at July 21, 2015 09:06 PM (jBuUi)"***
Well, if it's any consolation, I've done more than my fair share of linking your hard work around the internet.
You've done more than your part.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 21, 2015 09:09 PM (xSCb6)
Okay, let's see: B-1s, B-52s, F-16s, A-10s, Apaches, Chinooks, M-1s, Bradleys, Hornets, SHs, several major Army bases.
Yeah.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 09:09 PM (vHOq/)
Why is it everyone thinks poor white people, especially southerners, are one baseball cap away from incest, but never says that about other groups? I'll buy that incest happens among whites, even poor folks (the rich ones cover it up better). But it happens among blacks too. And hispanics. And Hmong. And everyone else.
But no, its only white people "I bet that Palin-voting hick is sexin' up his daughter right now in the trailer!" (showers of laughter and clapping).
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 09:09 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 09:03 PM (AkOaV)
I believe that is the case, and that makes it even scarier!
But I sleep well at night because Senator John McCain, a former POW who served in Viet Nam with distinction, assured me it was all good when he said "You don't have to be scared of Sen. Obama as President!"
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 21, 2015 09:09 PM (ftVQq)
Think what you want but it's impossible to overestimate their malignant drive and long-game focus. I don't, not anymore.
Posted by: Doomed at July 21, 2015 09:10 PM (bGLSw)
I knew you'd find a happy comment someday TW.
If gas is cheap enough we can afford to line the tanks with lead.
Posted by: DaveA at July 21, 2015 09:11 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: torquewrench at July 21, 2015 09:08 PM (noWW6)
Point of order:
What is the conversation between a megaton and a fuckton?
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 09:11 PM (AkOaV)
Win!
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2015 09:12 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: torquewrench at July 21, 2015 09:08 PM (noWW6)
So, eventually they have to test one, no?
Where? How to do it without telegraphing the extent of their progress, like the Norks did with their dudbomb. Do they have a plausible testing grounds outside of Iran to test in ?
Posted by: OneEyedJack trying not to take it personally at July 21, 2015 09:12 PM (XmOA9)
http://news.yahoo.com/village-dreams-barack-obamas-kenyan-homecoming-060645850.html
There are about 26 states that dream about it, too.
Posted by: BuddyPC at July 21, 2015 09:12 PM (jfUIE)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 21, 2015 09:13 PM (XmOA9)
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 09:11 PM (AkOaV)
Metric or Imperial?
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 21, 2015 09:13 PM (ftVQq)
Just found a stash of Thin Mints in the pantry.
Win!
Nice!
Gonna take a little walk.
In the rain.
Posted by: some random meathead at July 21, 2015 09:13 PM (cNtqS)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 09:13 PM (39g3+)
OR, maybe they know exactly what they're doing."
Oh, by design for sure. They just thought the Iranis would immediately be greatful, drop the "Great Satan" chants, and, friend them all on Facebook and gratitude.
They haven't, and won't, and we're now staring at a major war in the Gulf sometime in the next decade or two. For no other reason than the good feelings of a few idiots that stumbled into power here in the U.S.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 09:13 PM (vHOq/)
La Ecole de baksheesh
Didn't we already play this game in Iraq.
Posted by: DaveA at July 21, 2015 09:13 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July 21, 2015 09:13 PM (xVgrA)
But I sleep well at night because Senator John McCain, a former POW who served in Viet Nam with distinction, assured me it was all good when he said "You don't have to be scared of Sen. Obama as President!"
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 21, 2015 09:09 PM (ftVQq)
Well, I don't think Obama is really trying to get Americans killed. I just think he thinks we're a horrible imperialist country full of white privileged patriarchal colonizers and he sees it as his job to lesson the US involvement worldwide and to turn over the reigns to regional hegemons.
I'm not even saying he's totally wrong about backing out of some foreign entanglements. But he has the wrong reasons and is doing it in a very stupid, dangerous way.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 09:14 PM (AkOaV)
Obama is the Scorpion, the GOP are fully aware of this, they are the willing frog.
There will be blood and it will be on the GOPs head, especially that dumb shit Corker.
Posted by: Kreplach at July 21, 2015 09:14 PM (WVvzl)
I'm pretty sure Obama was hoping for a bouquet of extra thorny roses to shove up there, too. Alas, a deep boning was all he could muster.
The SCoaMF was, is, and will remain a national threat.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 21, 2015 09:15 PM (1CroS)
Well to be fair, I served on a jury where an illegal immigrant raped his 4 daughters for years. Apparently it is common in other races, not just you white supremacist. /snarky but true/
No one wants to talk about what happens to young black girls when mom brings home her newest boyfriend...
Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 21, 2015 09:15 PM (10ydV)
Welll.....DUH! Franklin Marshall Davis was fuckin Barky up the ass 40 years ago.
so what difference does it make to Barky now?
Posted by: jb at July 21, 2015 09:15 PM (TRB7J)
(Mushroom cloud rises slowly into the sky.)
Posted by: zombie
From your keyboard to God's ears, brave one.
Hope I get a cell near yours. : )
Posted by: some random meathead at July 21, 2015 09:15 PM (cNtqS)
Posted by: eman at July 21, 2015 09:15 PM (MQEz6)
Where? How to do it without telegraphing the extent of their
progress, like the Norks did with their dudbomb. Do they have a
plausible testing grounds outside of Iran to test in ?
* * *
The easiest one to build, the Hiroshima gun weapon, didn't need testing. It was the Trinity implosion weapon (Nagasaki) they weren't sure about.
Posted by: Doomed at July 21, 2015 09:15 PM (bGLSw)
Posted by: Doomed at July 21, 2015 09:16 PM (bGLSw)
Underestimating the America loathing nature of this administration, or its effectiveness in accomplishing it's far left goals has been a mistake. One we keep making
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at July 21, 2015 09:16 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 09:16 PM (39g3+)
I'm looking for a phenomenal blogpost that gets linked here from time to time that goes into great detail about the Leftwing nature of Fascism. I seem to have lost the bookmark.
Posted by: Burn the Witch
HotAir.com
But be careful. Things can get a little rowdy over there. They've got a pretty fierce game of Hangman going on in the Quotes of the Day thread.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 21, 2015 09:17 PM (kdS6q)
Win!
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2015 09:12 PM (e3bId)
__________________________________
I found 2-20mg protein PowerBars and a 18 oz. bag of sunflower seeds on top of my fridge. Tomorrow my colon will be sparkling and refreshed.
Posted by: CozMark at July 21, 2015 09:17 PM (52QgN)
Posted by: torquewrench at July 21, 2015 09:08 PM (noWW6)
More pressing concern?
Neptunium bombs.
Posted by: Teh Nukular hat at July 21, 2015 09:17 PM (7YlUk)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 21, 2015 09:18 PM (QhfQc)
Posted by: Jon Carry what served in Vietnam at July 21, 2015 09:18 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2015 09:20 PM (e3bId)
Okay, let's see: B-1s, B-52s, F-16s, A-10s, Apaches, Chinooks, M-1s, Bradleys, Hornets, SHs, several major Army bases.
Yeah.
Pissed off rednecks who remember 9/11.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 21, 2015 09:20 PM (O+0DS)
No, they didn't.
A lot of people here keep referencing Bubba Clinton's agreement with North Korea when talking about this deal. There is a lot in common. Including the fact that Clinton never submitted that deal as a treaty.
It was an agreed upon arrangement sanctioned by the UN SC just like this one. This was always the plan and Obama was never shy about talking about it. That's why both Republicans and Democrats in the Senate tried to do something to force some sort of Congressional review.
And despite the fact that he is a scumbag that is why Menendez has been under investigation from the DOJ ever since he sponsored the bill.
Republicans in Congress have been ineffectual fucks for the most part but this deal is all on Obama.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 09:22 PM (OGm46)
Well, I ain't no brain scientist but if college was worth anything I believe a "megaton" is worth an entire shitload of "fucktons."
Technically speaking.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 09:22 PM (vHOq/)
Neptunium bombs.
Posted by: Teh Nukular hat at July 21, 2015 09:17 PM (7YlUk)<<<
Plutonium bombs aren't really bombs anymore.
Posted by: Neil DeAss Tyson at July 21, 2015 09:22 PM (z9azR)
No one saw anything, right?
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2015 09:24 PM (e3bId)
I can fully see the Israelis and Saudis uniting, which is a mind fuck all its own, and taking out the Iranians program themselves.
I fully expect a military incident between the US and Israel and SA with the U.S. on Irans side against the others.
Posted by: Kreplach at July 21, 2015 09:24 PM (WVvzl)
Posted by: King Obambi at July 21, 2015 09:24 PM (BjKDP)
Posted by: Jon Carry what served in Vietnam at July 21, 2015 09:25 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Neil DeAss Tyson at July 21, 2015 09:22 PM (z9azR)
Well done! Candidate for thread winner, do I have a second?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 21, 2015 09:25 PM (XmOA9)
Its kind of complicated. The Nazis tried to come up with a 3rd way, borrowing ideas from right and left, and trying to combine them with the latest cutting edge scientific thought (hence; eugenics). Until around 1938, academics around the world thought they were wonderful and terribly advanced; progressive, even.
For example, their economic system was pretty much cronyism and socialism. You could own your own company, but the state dictated how you ran it and what you could produce. The more powerful and richer you were, the more influence you had over policy and could help write laws.
But they were big on national identity, patriotism, and the military - typically right-leaning principles. They weren't religious, but venerated the old legends and myths of their distant past as part of their cultural identity.
As soon as the Nazis took over, they ended unemployment by simply giving everyone make work and government jobs. They provided free child care and encouraged women to join the work force. They gave clothes and food to the poorest, for "free" and ended the street violence of fighting between government troops and hard left communists (and themselves). They shut down religious education and required all kids go to state schools.
But they also taught that leftist thought had corrupted art and music, and culture. They pushed for a purer cultural identity without the decadence of the past. In that sense they were more like some right-leaning groups socially.
It was a mix, really. But mostly leftist, particularly in economics.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 09:25 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: The guys at Ft Benning at July 21, 2015 09:25 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Jean at July 21, 2015 09:25 PM (ztOda)
I've never really cared enough to stop shoveling them in my mouth when I find a stash.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 21, 2015 09:26 PM (xSCb6)
Except for one thing.
Congress could have held something hostage and openly told everybody what they were doing and why.
No funding for a bunch of Democrat goodies unless the Iran deal gets submitted as a treaty.
Posted by: eman at July 21, 2015 09:26 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 09:27 PM (39g3+)
progress, like the Norks did with their dudbomb. Do they have a
plausible testing grounds outside of Iran to test in ?"
Freeman Dyson, who really should know better than to do so, has publicly talked about ways to run a covert nuclear warhead testing program.
What was the line of exasperated dialogue from the original _Hunt For Red October_ novel back in the day?
"Geniuses! They live in their own screwy little worlds."
Something like that.
The problem with people as smart as Freeman Dyson is that they assume there are lots of people in the world who are just as smart as they are, if not more so. So there are no issues with speculating about physical problems and their solutions, because those problems would have been thought through by others already. Bzzzzt! Wrong.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 21, 2015 09:28 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Jean at July 21, 2015 09:28 PM (ztOda)
No one saw anything, right?
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2015 09:24 PM (e3bId)
_____________________________
Think like a viking dude. And, don't apologize no matter how bad the torture gets.
Posted by: CozMark at July 21, 2015 09:28 PM (52QgN)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 21, 2015 09:29 PM (10ydV)
Posted by: Jon Carry what served in Vietnam at July 21, 2015 09:29 PM (Dwehj)
I disagree completely with your assessment.
It does not matter what the administration wants to call any particular deal with a foreign country or what a previous congress or agreement was.
Congress can assert that any such deal/agreement/arrangement is a treaty and it will treat it as such, congress is under no obligation to approve or abide by it and is certainly under no obligation to fund it.
The GOP inverted the treaty clause and pre-approved this unholy deal.
It's on them.
Posted by: Kreplach at July 21, 2015 09:30 PM (WVvzl)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 21, 2015 09:30 PM (XmOA9)
Posted by: The guys at Ft Benning "
Fcuk yeah. Benning, Polk, Hood, Bliss. We'll even take the guys from Ft. Sill.......even though it's Oklahoma.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 09:30 PM (vHOq/)
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2015 09:30 PM (e3bId)
When stored properly, in the freezer, no.
But I prefer Grasshoppers. Rather give my money to the elves than the Girlsxouts.
Posted by: Garrett at July 21, 2015 09:30 PM (99p1B)
No funding for a bunch of Democrat goodies unless the Iran deal gets submitted as a treaty.
Posted by: eman at July 2
Hardee fucking har har har
That there is funny
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 21, 2015 09:31 PM (QhfQc)
Yeah, and the Spanish Falangists blended Roman Catholicism with socialism to create their own version. It was a very strange experimental time with political theory.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 09:31 PM (39g3+)
plausible testing grounds outside of Iran to test in ?"
Yes, North Korea. They has a little resort full of Iranians adn Russians. I think it more food and electricity then the whole province.
Posted by: Jean at July 21, 2015 09:31 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: eman at July 21, 2015 09:31 PM (MQEz6)
Congress could have held something hostage and openly told everybody what they were doing and why.No funding for a bunch of Democrat goodies unless the Iran deal gets submitted as a treaty.
Posted by: eman
OK, how about instead we try to pass a 6 year half trillion dollar highway bill -- sight unseen?
Close enough?
Posted by: The Mitch, the Mitch, the Mitch is Back McConnell
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 21, 2015 09:31 PM (kdS6q)
Its kind of complicated. ...etc....
It was a mix, really. But mostly leftist, particularly in economics.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
All is explained:
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=1644
Note location of Nazis on the new spectrum.
Posted by: zombie at July 21, 2015 09:31 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Jon Carry what served in Vietnam at July 21, 2015 09:32 PM (Dwehj)
*snort*
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 09:33 PM (vHOq/)
C'mon now that's not entirely true.
More accurate:
Ineffectual fucks who ALL think that they deserve to be President.
Posted by: some random meathead - back from my walk at July 21, 2015 09:33 PM (cNtqS)
Well, they could and can do it.
They don't have what it takes to do it, but it s within their power.
Posted by: eman at July 21, 2015 09:33 PM (MQEz6)
They are going to try to sell this colossal capitulation as the reason why JEB WILL SAVE THE DAY FROM TEH HILLARY!
Primary voters' response needs to be "FUCK YOU, FUCK YOUR MOM, FUCK YOUR SISTER, AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE BURNING YOU HOUSE DOWN, AND PUTTING ANYONE BUT JEB IN YOU SQUISHY USELESS BACKSTABBING FUCKS!". -Only more profane and infused with feelings of disgust.
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at July 21, 2015 09:33 PM (A1Dcl)
Posted by: John "Why won't he call?" Kerry at July 21, 2015 09:33 PM (SXV4L)
Posted by: The guys at Ft Benning "
Fcuk yeah. Benning, Polk, Hood, Bliss. We'll even take the guys from Ft. Sill.......even though it's Oklahoma.
Posted by: Ricardo K
I think the 1st Marine's have 242 tickets to front of the reviewing stand they would like to cash in.
Posted by: Jean at July 21, 2015 09:34 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 21, 2015 09:34 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Jon Carry what served in Vietnam at July 21, 2015 09:34 PM (Dwehj)
Told who? It's been fucking obvious all along to anyone paying attention.
The whole point of this was to collapse the international, emphasis on international, sanctions on Iran and start up the bidness.
Germany has historically been one of Iran's biggest trading partners. France has been known to do a deal or two with Islamic nuts, see the Iraq nuke plants that Israel blew up.
Who are the other members of the P5 +1? Oh yea, Russia who has been helping Iran all along sanctions be damned and China that has been rapidly filling our void in the middle east and Africa in search of oil.
Oh and the UK who doesn't seem to care about shit anymore.
Not a one of these countries gives a wet fart what the US Senate says about international sanctions. They are already on their way to Tehran to get some of that sweet Death to America money. And I defy you to tell me which of these countries gives a shit about Israel.
Republicans in Congress suck for the most part but this has little to do with them. It doesn't matter what the Senate does if every other country gives up the sanctions and that was the game all along.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 09:34 PM (OGm46)
Barry Chamberlain: How did all of those Germans get into Czechoslovakia? Oh well never mind, it won't amount to much
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2015 09:35 PM (DiZBp)
Yeah, and the Spanish Falangists blended Roman Catholicism with socialism to create their own version. It was a very strange experimental time with political theory.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 09:31 PM (39g3+)
Why are nationalism and military "right wing" things?
Were the Soviets not "nationalistic" in their Communist and Soviet pride?
Did they not have a big military?
I don't see how the Nazi's could be classified as anything other than left wing.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 09:35 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 21, 2015 09:34 PM (oKE6c)
Nah, no one here is named Fritz
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 21, 2015 09:35 PM (QhfQc)
Posted by: Jon Carry what served in Vietnam at July 21, 2015 09:36 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 09:36 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at July 21, 2015 09:37 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: mojo at July 21, 2015 09:37 PM (OmBeX)
The gheys, after the SA got put down - they were rough on the ghey's -- so right wing. Nevermind all the other stuff ... butt sek is all that matters.
Posted by: Jean at July 21, 2015 09:37 PM (ztOda)
Mostly because the left tends to loathe both, and the right are big on patriotism and military honor. And of course, there's the part about honoring tradition and past culture that makes it more right leaning as well.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 09:38 PM (39g3+)
Told everyone means just that.
You know, it's okay if we are the only country maintaining the sanctions.
Posted by: eman at July 21, 2015 09:38 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 21, 2015 09:34 PM (oKE6c)
My fifth-grade level understanding of what lead up to war was one bunch of folks making deals they never intended to have to keep, and another bunch of folks feeing honor-bound to keep them.
Today's level of honor being much lower, it's probably a good thing none of the recent war-pacts ever had to be tested.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 21, 2015 09:39 PM (XmOA9)
It would be a fitting compare but if you mentioned it to Barry he would have no idea what you were talking about. Not in his bubble.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 09:40 PM (vHOq/)
Posted by: Mr Wizard at July 21, 2015 09:40 PM (hCdMd)
Yeah, and the Spanish Falangists blended Roman Catholicism with socialism to create their own version. It was a very strange experimental time with political theory.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 09:31 PM (39g3+)
And FDR's New Deal was an American variant. See Garet Garrett's "The Revolution Was" and his discussion of the "revolution within the form". Basically, the New Deal didn't explicitly overturn the American system of government--it didn't claim to be against the Constitution. It still relied on the traditional trappings of American government and rhetoric about freedom and liberty, even as it erected a monolithic centralized structure.
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2015 09:41 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Men at Work at July 21, 2015 09:41 PM (nRvEn)
Morally, sure. And I hope enough in Congress sack up and do the right thing.
Practically, no, it doesn't mean shit.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 09:41 PM (OGm46)
Posted by: The Fucking Truth at July 21, 2015 09:41 PM (LPHFE)
The Nazis weren't labeled "right-wing" until Hitler and Stalin had their falling-out.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 21, 2015 09:41 PM (1ijHg)
If I was their Dear Leader, I'd be having hissy fits and demanding the same thing the Mullahs are.
/nukes for everyone! freedom for none!
Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at July 21, 2015 09:41 PM (9KToF)
This wasn't for European investments.
It was for Goldman, jp Morgan.
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at July 21, 2015 09:41 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 21, 2015 09:34 PM (oKE6c)
Hey you stupid falcon! Can't you here me?
Posted by: The Falconer at July 21, 2015 09:42 PM (7YlUk)
Posted by: Kristophr at July 21, 2015 09:43 PM (6fIOn)
Posted by: Jon Carry what served in Vietnam at July 21, 2015 09:43 PM (Dwehj)
_________________
They've run this game before.
Anyone remember the period before OIF when the International hacks were being bought off by Saddam?
Saddam was biding his time, doling out the bribes to all comers. Playing cat and mouse with Hans Blix.
With or without this deal-treaty-circle jerk-whatever, the EU, Russia, and China want to do business in Iran. And it's not like we were ramping up preps to invade Iran. We are doing the exact opposite in fact.
Posted by: CozMark at July 21, 2015 09:43 PM (52QgN)
Were the Soviets not "nationalistic" in their Communist and Soviet pride?
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 09:35 PM (AkOaV)
They still call WWII "The Great Patriotic War".
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2015 09:43 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Zombie Archduke Ferdinand at July 21, 2015 09:44 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 09:45 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at July 21, 2015 09:45 PM (zOTsN)
Not so much honor bound, as afraid the other guys were going to keep theirs. It was the czars who really eff'ed up. They could have, and should have given their precarious state, dampened the whole thing down. But when they started getting belligerent - German policy was to mobilize faster and hit hard, first. The Germans did not think they could win a two front war.
Posted by: Jean at July 21, 2015 09:45 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 09:35 PM (AkOaV)
They still call WWII "The Great Patriotic War".
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2015 09:43 PM (sdi6R)
Communism and Fascism Twin Whelps from same Hegelian Dialectical Litter
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ng8kxo6
Posted by: The Non-Dialectical Hat at July 21, 2015 09:46 PM (7YlUk)
You are somebody John Kerry. You're a gold plated certified asshole.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 09:46 PM (39g3+)
Were the Soviets not "nationalistic" in their Communist and Soviet pride?
Because left wing goes for universalism and transcending nation-states.
The International Socialist, the World Citizen, etc.
That even the Soviet commies had some nationalist tendencies speaks to it being an integral part of human nature.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 21, 2015 09:46 PM (0NdlF)
Having our cities and allies nuked by apocalyptic Muslim fanatics will suck, but it's much better than risking war. No one likes war.
Posted by: Barack Obama at July 21, 2015 09:46 PM (qyomX)
What was it? $12 billion? We are bowing for the state budget of West Virginia.
NO offense to West Virginy. You have good moonshine and cousins.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 09:46 PM (vHOq/)
**looks at Russians in Crimea**
**sees the Hussein Clown Posse allowing Iran to nuke up**
NO ONE SHOULD EVER LISTEN TO DEMOCRATS ABOUT NUKES!!!
Posted by: Ukraine at July 21, 2015 09:46 PM (z9azR)
Posted by: The Monster Hat at July 21, 2015 09:47 PM (7YlUk)
Posted by: eman at July 21, 2015 09:47 PM (MQEz6)
Even if the sanctions from other nations fell apart
We are still, by far, the largest financial market in the world
This is for wall street
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at July 21, 2015 09:48 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: The Fucking Truth at July 21, 2015 09:48 PM (LPHFE)
Posted by: @votermom at July 21, 2015 09:49 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 09:49 PM (39g3+)
If it was going to make him rich? Yeah, probably.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 09:49 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: CozMark at July 21, 2015 09:50 PM (52QgN)
Posted by: Jon Carry what served in Vietnam at July 21, 2015 09:50 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at July 21, 2015 09:50 PM (zOTsN)
This is all academic cuz I get that these words are tossed around in political debate but at least calling Obama a socialist makes some sense, where using "fascist" the generic way Ace does is retarded. What's with the conservative fixation on flipping leftist "racist" "fascist" accusations back at them anyway? outside of the echo chamber it's never gonna stick
Posted by: JP at July 21, 2015 09:50 PM (Pa4eZ)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 09:50 PM (vHOq/)
Posted by: Jon Carry what served in Vietnam at July 21, 2015 09:52 PM (Dwehj)
Yeah, but surprisingly the Russians actually mobilized faster than expected. The way to think about it is as a slow motion nuclear exchange. Once one side started to mobilize, no one else could afford to wait for fear of being caught off-guard. The bad thing about WWI was that the major belligerents were all about equal in military terms with an edge to the Germans. Although that edge was offset by numbers. Equal opponents usually mean long, ugly fights.
Posted by: Men at Work at July 21, 2015 09:52 PM (nRvEn)
Posted by: WOPR at July 21, 2015 09:52 PM (nRvEn)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DioQooFIcgE&feature=related
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2015 09:52 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Texas Dan at July 21, 2015 09:53 PM (Y7hVp)
--
So La Raza and Black Panthers is right wing?
The things I learn on the internets.
Posted by: @votermom at July 21, 2015 09:53 PM (cbfNE)
Advised by his in-house foreign policy expert, vice president Oprah Winfrey?
Posted by: torquewrench at July 21, 2015 09:53 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 09:53 PM (YJeFl)
Then by that logic it isn't Obama's fault either.
Posted by: eman at July 21, 2015 09:54 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 09:55 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Ukraine at July 21, 2015
So where are the usual suspects? Darryl Hannah, Jackson Browne, CSN & Y, etc
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 21, 2015 09:56 PM (QhfQc)
Posted by: JP at July 21, 2015 09:50 PM (Pa4eZ)
Really? Care to back that up with...you know...actual facts?
Because economically they behaved as any run-of-the-mill socialist dictatorship, and socially they were right up there with the USSR.
But please, continue.....
[hint; check the name of the Nazi party in German]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2015 09:56 PM (Zu3d9)
They just left Socialist in their name cuz getting all that stationary reprinted would have cost a fortune.
Posted by: eman at July 21, 2015 09:56 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2015 09:57 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: some random meathead - back from my walk at July 21, 2015 09:57 PM (cNtqS)
It may have helped us but it wrecked the British Empire. It didn't help the French either. War spurs economic growth is a larger version of the broken window fallacy.
Posted by: WOPR at July 21, 2015 09:57 PM (nRvEn)
That has nothing to do with their ideology!!!!
Posted by: Because I Say So!! at July 21, 2015 09:57 PM (+c55T)
Posted by: JP at July 21, 2015 09:50 PM (Pa4eZ)
Who says the core of Nazi value was about racial supremacy?
And who associates "maintaining of a particular culture/national & racial identity" with the right?
Who decided on these things?
And do leftist Cuba and the former USSR and China and Vietnam and every other communist country you could think of not maintain particular culture / nation & racial identity?
I really don't think you've thought any of this through.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 09:58 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 09:58 PM (YJeFl)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at July 21, 2015 09:59 PM (zOTsN)
__________________________
Don't forget the Norks. Their belief in their racial superiority is world class stuff.
Posted by: CozMark at July 21, 2015 10:00 PM (52QgN)
--
Aha! Fiscal responsibility, another trait of right wingery!
Posted by: @votermom at July 21, 2015 10:01 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 09:53 PM (YJeFl)
WWII was an "economic benefit" because the people rationed basic goods for years for the war effort, and soldiers were getting paid for years while overseas, then they came back to the US as the only major industrial power that still had factories that weren't bombed out, took that pent up demand and in some cases saved up money and kickstarted a world wide economy.
The only reason that worked was because the majority of the worlds industrial base was reduced to rubble while ours was unscathed.
Oh, and Bretton Woods.
Never forget Bretton Woods. Our deal with the devil.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 10:01 PM (AkOaV)
Nazis are right-wing. Where their economics land on the spectrum doesn't particularly matter because the core of their ideology isn't about that, it's about racial supremacy. And you associate the maintaining of a particular culture/national racial identity with the Right, not the Left.
Posted by: JP
Sounds about right.
Posted by: Millions of Han Red Chinese Repopulating Tibet
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 21, 2015 10:01 PM (kdS6q)
Nations wrecked by war aren't very healthy post-conflict.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 10:01 PM (vHOq/)
BRUUUUUUUUUUUCE!!!!!!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2015 09:57 PM (Zu3d9)
Baby I was born to glow
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 21, 2015 10:01 PM (QhfQc)
Posted by: JP at July 21, 2015 09:50 PM (Pa4eZ)
They were about the "race"... i.e. they were collectivists where everyone was subservient to the collective will.
They didn't want to maintain culture or tradition, but invent fake history in order to fundamentally transform their own country.
Posted by: The anti-fascist hat at July 21, 2015 10:01 PM (7YlUk)
Posted by: JP
Eugenics was a product of the Progressives.
From Mao to Stalin, Mugabe to Pol Pot; all genocidal lefties.
Sorry, try again.
Posted by: we at July 21, 2015 10:02 PM (VY8H5)
ICYMI, President Petulant says it is the Republicans are to blame for the IRS targeting of the Tea Party, which of course never happened.
http://tinyurl.com/o7r9l9w
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2015 10:02 PM (ODxAs)
Nazis are right-wing.
Posted by: JP
And don't worry. When you take Modern European History 1 in your sophomore year you'll see where you went wrong.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 21, 2015 10:03 PM (kdS6q)
And Fuck you John McCain while I'm using my "fuck" quota up.
Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2015 10:03 PM (MDgS8)
339 what wrecked the British Empire was more shunning Churchill after he saved them I think. And Soros trashing the Pound.
Broken windows is not a fallacy as long as you are careful toregulate the numberof windows you smash and which ones you smash. Cash for Clunkers was a Broken Windows exercise.
First requirement for understanding the destruction of the American economy is to quit thinking it's an unfortunate side-effect of leftist policy
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 10:03 PM (YJeFl)
Gateway pundit reporting that trump WILL NOT run third party.
He either win gop nom or that's it.
Game fucking on.
Posted by: Prescient11 at July 21, 2015 10:04 PM (IXLyX)
y axis = weak/strong force
x axis = slow/fast process
This can distinguish, say, Fabians from Bolsheviks and Preppers from Socons.
Left/Right is anachronistic, not informative.
Posted by: Feh at July 21, 2015 10:04 PM (Uk9e2)
They didn't want to maintain culture or tradition, but invent fake history in order to fundamentally transform their own country.
Posted by: The anti-fascist hat at July 21, 2015 10:01 PM (7YlUk)
Right. And frankly, their racial stuff was pretty half-assed and self serving. It was based on the pseudo science of Eugenics (the global warming of the day, if you will) with a lot of fudging of historical "blood lines" to allow the Germans think of themselves as some kind of 'pure master race' which, frankly, is silly.
Just a way to divide certain people and unite others -- what all governments do, especially when they want more power.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 10:04 PM (AkOaV)
They were about the "race"... i.e. they were collectivists where everyone was subservient to the collective will. They didn't want to maintain culture or tradition, but invent fake history in order to fundamentally transform their own country.
Posted by: The anti-fascist hat
"The New Soviet Man", and such.
These kids today. Never pick up a book.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 21, 2015 10:04 PM (kdS6q)
True. America. Canada. To an extent Australia were untouched by the war at home. There was no one else to produce for the world for a decade or two as everyone rebuilt.
The Germans and Japanese were doing major business by the 1960s though.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 10:05 PM (vHOq/)
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 10:05 PM (YJeFl)
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 21, 2015 10:05 PM (+jijM)
It's bullshit, and I won't take it anymore!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2015 10:05 PM (Zu3d9)
Of course it is. Crazy Cowboy Bush held this international sanction agreement together. Say what you will but he keep Russia and China in check for the most part. But Obama has been signaling he was going to favor Iran since before he was elected.
Do you remember him saying in 2008 he would speak to Iran with no preconditions? That even freaked out Hillary! but he did it. Remember him taking a pass on the Green Revolution and even the far left was wondering what the fuck he was doing? We wouldn't you take Obama at his word and his actions?
Take a good look at what China and Russia have been doing since Obama got in office. Russia is moving with impunity into Ukraine and beyond. China is taking control of the South China Sea. These are not little things and they did not happen by accident. Obama let these things happen.
And the EU is desperate and dying and looking for any new revenue anywhere. And they have never been shy with doing deals with Jew hating tyrants in the Middle East.
We have been talking here since before Obama's first term about his support for radical Islam and the fact that he surrounded himself with pro-Iran assholes like Jarrett, where did you think this was headed?
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 10:06 PM (OGm46)
Posted by: MAx
Not if the bulk of your best and brightest never return.
Posted by: England 1918 at July 21, 2015 10:06 PM (VY8H5)
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 10:06 PM (YJeFl)
http://tinyurl.com/o7r9l9w
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2015 10:02 PM (ODxAs)
The TFG regime is nothing more than a mashup of "Groundhog Day" and "Family Circus" Not Me panels.
Posted by: Country Singer at July 21, 2015 10:06 PM (nL0sw)
Broken windows is not a fallacy as long as you are careful toregulate the numberof windows you smash and which ones you smash. Cash for Clunkers was a Broken Windows exercise.
First requirement for understanding the destruction of the American economy is to quit thinking it's an unfortunate side-effect of leftist policy
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 10:03 PM (YJeFl)
Uhh... The Soros thing was in the '90s, first off.
And cash for clunkers was a huge economic loss, obviously.
and uh... I'm really not sure I follow what you're saying.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 10:06 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 21, 2015 10:04 PM (kdS6q)
I suspect it's not on their Kindles
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at July 21, 2015 10:06 PM (QhfQc)
Actually their ideas stemmed from basic eugenics and evolutionary theory (so did their cultural theories but that's another topic). They believed that mankind was evolving still. They believed that more evolved man was superior and would lead to a better future. They thought less evolved man led to disease, poverty, war, and all the other evils of the past.
So the obvious thing to do is to encourage more of the more evolved people and discourage the less evolved. How do you decide which is which? Well they came up with a series of ridiculous theories and tests, mostly ensured to determine Germans were more evolved and people they historically didn't care for or understand were less evolved.
Nothing about that is right wing. Or left wing. Its just stupid pseudo science.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:07 PM (39g3+)
are to blame for the IRS targeting of the Tea Party, which of course
never happened.
http://tinyurl.com/o7r9l9w
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2015 10:02 PM (ODxAs)
Did Leibowitz get his knee pads autographed after the "interview"?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2015 10:07 PM (DiZBp)
Rand i can't say.
Posted by: Prescient11 at July 21, 2015 10:07 PM (IXLyX)
Hah hah hah!
Wait....are you serious?
Full employment was on the government teat. Real employment was much lower. The recession just after the war is excellent evidence.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2015 10:07 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: MAx
In the Soviet Union, they had no unemployment.
Mass starvation with millions dying and no food, but everyone had a job!
"Having a job" is meaningless. Creating economic growth is what matters.
And blowing shit up does not create economic growth.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 10:08 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: otho at July 21, 2015 10:08 PM (d8udV)
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 10:08 PM (YJeFl)
He either win gop nom or that's it.
Oh thank goodness!
*dials*
"Jeb? All clear , honey!"
Posted by: Reince Priebus at July 21, 2015 10:08 PM (cNtqS)
Read The Abolition of Man by C.S. Lewis for what really did them in. Same thing doing us in.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:08 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Prescient11 at July 21, 2015 10:09 PM (IXLyX)
Mussolini used it as his symbol for the Italian Fascists because he believed the Italians were heirs to the Roman Empire.
They did it once and they could do it again.
Before he was the head of the Italian Fascists, Mussolini was a revolutionary marxist.
Posted by: CozMark at July 21, 2015 10:09 PM (52QgN)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:07 PM (39g3+)
Yeah, i think that about sums up Nazi's racial theories.
Stupid pseudo science.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 10:09 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at July 21, 2015 10:09 PM (ucDmr)
These rumors of impending bankruptcy are scurrilious nonsense!
Posted by: Donald Trump, repeatedly in the past at July 21, 2015 10:09 PM (noWW6)
Of course.
Anyone calling themselves the National Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei could not possibly be socialist.
And
all that bragging the Goering did at Nuremberg about executing rich
people who tried to flee with their assets is obviously the mark of a
staunch capitalist.
Posted by: Kristophr at July 21, 2015 10:09 PM (6fIOn)
Posted by: Feh at July 21, 2015 10:09 PM (Uk9e2)
This is all academic cuz I get that these words are tossed around in political debate but at least calling Obama a socialist makes some sense, where using "fascist" the generic way Ace does is retarded. What's with the conservative fixation on flipping leftist "racist" "fascist" accusations back at them anyway? outside of the echo chamber it's never gonna stick
Posted by: JP at July 21, 2015 09:50 PM (Pa4eZ)
The term "fascism" has been cheapened over the years by leftists who use it as an epithet against anyone who disagrees with them. Nixon was a fascist, Reagan was a fascist, Bush was a fascist, ad nauseam.
Fascism is an economic system, invented by Mussolini, who was a socialist scholar. He tried to blend the strongest features of socialism and capitalism into a new system. Hitler was influenced by his ideas; hell, intellectuals in various countries were as well. Throughout the 1920s and 30s, first the Soviet Union, then Italy, then Germany were seen as harbingers of a new age by various people, and they all influenced Roosevelt's New Deal to varying degrees. Centralized state control of the economy was regarded as more efficient and scientific.
Fascism does not necessarily mean armbands, jackboots, and gas chambers. Mussolini didn't have any great animosity towards Jews. It's primarily an economic system which harnesses large corporations in service to the State, and is hostile to independent small businesses. I would say that fascism is probably the dominant economic system in the world today, including in China, where the People's Liberation Army actually owns businesses. Practically nobody outside of a college campus is a doctrinaire Marxist anymore.
It is not at all inaccurate to call Obama a fascist.
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2015 10:10 PM (sdi6R)
Smod, end this fucking gope charade.
Posted by: Prescient11 at July 21, 2015 10:10 PM (IXLyX)
374 "And blowing shit up does not create economic growth."
Old Las Vegas casinos would disagree.
What about the German and Japanese factories and manufacturing?
What happened to U.S. Steel, the only steelmakers who WEREN'T blown up???
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 10:12 PM (YJeFl)
Posted by: AltonJackson at July 21, 2015 10:12 PM (KCxzN)
Posted by: otho at July 21, 2015 10:08 PM (d8udV)
...What Russian industrial base...?
Their industrial base is also called "slightly used Eastern German factories relocated to Russia as war spoils after WWII".
The US had to lend-lease the Russians a whole lot of military gear, as they were woefully unprepared for war (by 1930s/1940s standards).
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 10:12 PM (AkOaV)
employment was much lower. The recession just after the war is excellent
evidence.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Yeah, 1946 and 1947 were terrible years for the economy, as millions of men were mustered out of the military, and all the big (and small) companies were re-tooling back to peacetime production. Negative growth for those years. It's a wonder Truman actually got re-elected in 1948.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....whacko bird in America at July 21, 2015 10:12 PM (+1T7c)
I would love to see a question on that subject posed to every candidate.
Posted by: oh_crap at July 21, 2015 10:13 PM (jJn7d)
Posted by: Texas Dan at July 21, 2015 10:13 PM (Y7hVp)
Excellent, excellent.
Russian industry was uprooted and moved east of the Urals as the war progressed. But, it was overwhelmingly military production. Even after the war ended their production was largely military as that was what it was planned for and central planners didn't want to upset the producing apple cart.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 10:13 PM (vHOq/)
Old Las Vegas casinos would disagree.
What about the German and Japanese factories and manufacturing?
What happened to U.S. Steel, the only steelmakers who WEREN'T blown up???
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 10:12 PM (YJeFl)
The seen and unseen. I think you need a refresher on what the broken windows theory says and why it's obviously true.
While US companies did well temporarily while the rest of the world was bombed out, total wealth around the world was clearly lower post-WWII then pre-WWI, right?
At least right after the war, until economic growth played its magic?
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 10:14 PM (AkOaV)
Everything the communists touched was value negative. At any time during the production chain from iron ore to a finished automobile, if they stopped and sold the parts in their current state to a capitalist, they would have been ahead. Each step in the production chain resulted in less value.
By WWII, they had run out of Tsarist wealth to loot.
Eastern European and German loot allowed them to struggle on until the end of the 1980's.
Posted by: Kristophr at July 21, 2015 10:14 PM (6fIOn)
They were swallowed by eastern US socialism, and crushed.
Posted by: Kristophr at July 21, 2015 10:16 PM (6fIOn)
395 Well, instead of being insulting, why not answer the questions?
Otherwise it just seems like a misdirect.
About the Las Vegas casinos and U.S. Steel?
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 10:16 PM (YJeFl)
Sadly, the modern Italian is a sad, wretched shadow of what Romans once were.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:16 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 10:17 PM (YJeFl)
world today, including in China, where the People's Liberation Army
actually owns businesses."
And in America, where businesses such as Lockheed Martin actually own a government.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 21, 2015 10:17 PM (noWW6)
Well, you're replacing one producing entity with another that produces far more. More slots, more rooms, more bars, more amenities and comforts for which you pay on a given piece of ground.
Replacing one glass pane with another does not equate.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 10:17 PM (vHOq/)
Posted by: rickl
Ron Paul, in one of his more lucid moments, did call Obama a corporatist. Which I think is actually pretty accurate. Corporatism is largely how Mussolini saw himself.
He was in the New Party in Chicago in the 90's (something rarely discussed in the media in 200
, and again, the silly labels and the pseudo-Marxist double talk is for the stooges.Obama on the constant fund-raiser circuit, hobnobbing with the really wealthy Silicon valley types, these are all marks of the proletariat struggle.
uh-huh.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....whacko bird in America at July 21, 2015 10:17 PM (+1T7c)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 21, 2015 10:18 PM (1ijHg)
Posted by: LGoPs at July 21, 2015 10:18 PM (zgrUm)
Posted by: cthulhu at July 21, 2015 10:19 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 10:19 PM (YJeFl)
Posted by: cthulhu at July 21, 2015 10:19 PM (EzgxV)
*Jumping up and down waving arms wildly*
Posted by: Your Betters in the GOPe at July 21, 2015 10:20 PM (nL0sw)
.....the entire GOP
Posted by: Beer Ninja at July 21, 2015 10:20 PM (PScBH)
Posted by: simplemind at July 21, 2015 10:20 PM (BTnAK)
--
Cesare Borgia was probably their last shot at an Empire.
Posted by: @votermom at July 21, 2015 10:21 PM (cbfNE)
Click my nick to see where he's actually attacked her quite strongly, more so than anyone else in the GOP field except for maybe Carly Fiorina.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 21, 2015 10:21 PM (wKc1L)
Yeah they looted the crap out of Germany, who has looted the crap out of Europe. That's how Germany was able to keep going; by basically enslaving huge numbers of people and stealing their assets. And the Soviets stole all of the stored goods they could get their hands on.
This was one part of the otherwise great film Monuments Men that enraged me. I'm sure George Clooney insisted on it.
The team is talking about needing to beat the Soviets to the treasures so they can be recovered, and Clooney's character basically defends them looting everything because the Soviets were hurt so bad in the war.
Yeah, that entitles them to other peoples' art and gold, because they fought a tough battle. Got it. All those families should never get back what belongs to them because poor Soviets fought. He probably thought Stalin distributed it evenly among all his people. Jackass.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:21 PM (39g3+)
I am addressing you, Nobel Peace Prize Committee.
Posted by: John Kerry at July 21, 2015 10:22 PM (qyomX)
I can't recall where I had read it, years ago, but I had come across a quote from Il Duce saying bitterly, about Italian military reversals, that the Italians of the nineteen-forties were not even the equals of the Italians of the nineteen-teens.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 21, 2015 10:22 PM (noWW6)
Well, I'm here. I'm a f-in moron.
Oh hey - here's what I'm drinking:
Magnesium Citrate
Seagram's Vodka
Guess where i need to be in the morning?
(not "the morgue, u haters")
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 21, 2015 10:22 PM (KG0mU)
Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2015 10:22 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 10:12 PM
The russians had a pretty massive production output. Their industrial capacity during WW2 can't be ignored. They pumped out a lot of stuff. Some good shit too, amongst the dubious junk. It can be deceptive when assessing their production, as it had to feed fronts on a huge scale, so they were often strapped to meet demand. Same with the Germans. The russian base wasn't sophisticated, but it was huge and prolific. The main difference was the USSR was heavily slanted to "Da, is good" tractor style production and weren't geared toward the consumer boom of the postwar years. They weren't inclined to embrace it anyway, which didn't help. Decadent luxury goods and all that.
Posted by: otho at July 21, 2015 10:23 PM (d8udV)
Is it even controversial to say that replacing today's broken windows (broken yesterday) would goose tomorrow's short-term unemployment numbers?
Of course I see the long-term effects being unsustainable. What if a strong American economy ISN'T the goal?
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 10:23 PM (YJeFl)
All right. I'll come bust every window out of your house.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 10:23 PM (vHOq/)
I like to give people the benefit of the doubt until they prove they are fools. Plus, tens of thousands of people a day visit this blog. They could use some learnin' on Nazis.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:23 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:16 PM (39g3+)
To be fair, we left a lot of our DNA in their gene pool.
Posted by: The Abbasid Caliphate at July 21, 2015 10:23 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 21, 2015 10:23 PM (KG0mU)
Posted by: MAx
Not if the money for the broken window was going to a 2nd clerk or some time-saving device allowing the baker to earn more.
Seriously, have you read the broken window?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 21, 2015 10:23 PM (VY8H5)
I mean, if replacing them once is awesome, why not replace them a hundred times?
Posted by: Bastiat at July 21, 2015 10:23 PM (jPgGR)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 21, 2015 10:23 PM (KG0mU)
Posted by: cthulhu at July 21, 2015 10:19 PM (EzgxV)<<<
We'd never do anything against our Precious!!!
Posted by: MFM at July 21, 2015 10:24 PM (z9azR)
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2015 10:10 PM (sdi6R)
THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM
by
BENITO MUSSOLINI (1932)
http://tinyurl.com/yprv3
Posted by: The Educational Hat at July 21, 2015 10:24 PM (7YlUk)
I need occasional reminders that I was on the right track when I ceased to pay up for the privilege of viewing Hollyweird's entertainment. Thanks for topping me off for another few months.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 21, 2015 10:24 PM (noWW6)
Well, I'm here. I'm a f-in moron.
Oh hey - here's what I'm drinking:
Magnesium Citrate
Seagram's Vodka
Guess where i need to be in the morning?
(not "the morgue, u haters")
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 21, 2015 10:22 PM (KG0mU)
You need to be drinking a metric fuck-ton of water along with those or you're going to be seriously dehydrated. It'd be like having a case of cholera after a bender.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 21, 2015 10:25 PM (EzgxV)
JFK was all about price controls on steel, and fought with them because they were making "too much money" and high priced steel was holding back economic growth (like with auto companies).
Government regulation (which could be called a form of socialism) combined with ridiculously generous union contracts / pensions (which really killed the steel industry in the 1980's, when all those guys started to retire) changed the growth curve of steel in the 1960's. Plus, cheaper steel from Japan (which was pretty good quality then).
Then in the 1970's, the government tried to kill the auto makers with more regulation (plus those Japanese imports were a rollin' in).
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....whacko bird in America at July 21, 2015 10:25 PM (+1T7c)
Why would anyone want to do that?
Posted by: Puzzled John Boehner at July 21, 2015 10:25 PM (qyomX)
Otherwise it just seems like a misdirect.
About the Las Vegas casinos and U.S. Steel?
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 10:16 PM (YJeFl)
What about casinos in LV? They had a state enforced monopoly for decades and are not an example of anything we're talking about.
and US Steel? Again, I'm not sure what you're getting at. yes, they had some good years while their international competitors were rebuilding. Then they rebuilt. And IIRC, cheap Japanese steel (spoiler alert: they rebuilt their factories and infrastructure) was the straw that broke that bloated camels back.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 10:25 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: @votermom at July 21, 2015 10:21 PM (cbfNE)
The Borgias were Valencian from Spain...
Posted by: The Papal Hat at July 21, 2015 10:26 PM (7YlUk)
I don't really know what happened to the Italians. They basically dominated the world for like 3 thousand years. Then suddenly they were just worthless. Too much wine?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:26 PM (39g3+)
Have a sucker motherf_-._r;
Posted by: Ralph at July 21, 2015 10:26 PM (/h17O)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 21, 2015 10:26 PM (VY8H5)
So, it's Obama's fault for starting the stampede.
Once started, the Senate is helpless.
Wrong. The Senate can force this thing to be a treaty and put the squeeze on countries smooching with Iran.
They just didn't and no one knows how these other countries will act when they see the Senate doing the opposite of what we just witnessed.
Posted by: eman at July 21, 2015 10:26 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 21, 2015 10:27 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2015 10:27 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2015 10:28 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at July 21, 2015 10:28 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:28 PM (39g3+)
I'm sure he was making a rhetorical point. But they are basically worthless now, which is a correct assessment.
Posted by: LGoPs at July 21, 2015 10:29 PM (zgrUm)
Still, so is Keynes whole theory.
I have been a little shell-shocked since 2012, yes. Never thought the populace would buy the obvious fakery. There are (is?) a fuck-ton of historical quotes about that.
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 21, 2015 10:29 PM (KG0mU)
Is it even controversial to say that replacing today's broken windows (broken yesterday) would goose tomorrow's short-term unemployment numbers?
Of course I see the long-term effects being unsustainable. What if a strong American economy ISN'T the goal?
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 10:23 PM (YJeFl)
Yes, it's controversial.
Well, no it's not really. Because I think most people realize that breaking every window in America today would not produce economic growth tomorrow.
Because the money spent replacing windows could have (would have, in macro economic terms) been spent doing something productive instead.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 10:29 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 10:25 PM (AkOaV)
Key clarification.
Posted by: The Abbasid Caliphate at July 21, 2015 10:29 PM (nL0sw)
Ace, I love the fact that you censored the first "asshole" but not the second.
I think I understand... the first one refers to the body part, while the second is just calling someone a name. It's sort of like how the f-word (the big one, not the little one) is only considered obscene by the FCC if it's specifically referring to sex, right?
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 21, 2015 10:29 PM (wKc1L)
Has to be the language. Ever notice how a Romance language country is generally a bit lazy and grafting vs. a non-Romance one?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 10:30 PM (vHOq/)
Posted by: Country Singer at July 21, 2015 10:30 PM (nL0sw)
I wouldn't expect anything but asshole bullshit from Clooney, the super liberal who is all upset about income disparity. Except for when he himself gets richer than God because he is paid obscene amounts of money for pretending to do shit in front of movie cameras. I'm sure he's also all upset about global warming and evil rich oilmen. Anyone think he flies commercial? Ya know, to go easy on Gaia?
When it comes to being narcissistic, dim-witted attention whores, there's no real difference between the A listers like Clooney, and your average Kardashian.
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 21, 2015 10:30 PM (kGrwF)
420 And of course if you did the window guy would see it as a beautiful era of prosperity. The welfare office sends signup info to Mexico for the same basic reason.
Is putting leagues of citizens of another country on the welfare roles sutainable in the long term? Of course not. But you need to analyze it for its SHORT-TERM efficacies and you'll understand better why so many parties are so eager to see it done.
424 Of course the reason you don't get it is 'cuz you're so much smarter than me. Keep telling yourself that. What I'm questioning is the assumptions behind the Broken Windows issue. It's only a fallacy based on its intent.
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 10:30 PM (YJeFl)
Posted by: The Papal Hat at July 21, 2015 10:26 PM (7YlUk)
Irrelevant? Borgia wanted to create a new Roman empire, not a vassalage of Spain.
Posted by: @votermom at July 21, 2015 10:30 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 21, 2015 10:30 PM (KG0mU)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 21, 2015 10:29 PM (KG0mU)
It's like we have a societal wide amnesia when it comes to economics.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 10:30 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:28 PM (39g3+)
And DeBlasio is completely reversing it.
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2015 10:31 PM (sdi6R)
If you include Rome, which was in the Italian peninsula, and were ancestors of modern Italians, yeah. From around 500 BC to around 1600. So 2000 years. That's a pretty good run.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:31 PM (39g3+)
Sorry just read the articles at WZ that each recognize one of the fallen. How many of People have been killed by islumist terrorist on American soil since he took office? 35 or so? Don't even get me started on the small incident in Benghazi.
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July 21, 2015 10:33 PM (xVgrA)
track when I ceased to pay up for the privilege of viewing Hollyweird's
entertainment. Thanks for topping me off for another few months.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 21, 2015 10:24 PM (noWW6)
Me too. This little reminder ensured I won't even think of paying for any H'wood entertainment for another year or so!
Maybe if Ace gives a 5 ewok review, but otherwise, no!
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 21, 2015 10:33 PM (ftVQq)
How? Give me some real examples of what the Senate of the United States could do to other countries like Germany and France let alone Russia or China.
Why is it so hard to blame Obama for something Obama has done all by himself?
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 10:33 PM (OGm46)
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 10:30 PM (YJeFl)
That must be it.
Well then I think we should just burn down all of the houses in the country tonight if we want to be really rich tomorrow.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 10:33 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 21, 2015 10:33 PM (wKc1L)
Posted by: Zombie Fabrizio Quattrocchi at July 21, 2015 10:33 PM (qyomX)
I shall pass out next to the dog bowl this evening.
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 21, 2015 10:33 PM (KG0mU)
(would have, in macro economic terms) been spent doing something
productive instead.
Posted by: mynewhandle
This is why we don't have a moon base or have reached Mars. We had to rebuild Detroit in the suburban cities surrounding Detroit (and a lot of other cities), because the center cities which had decades of infrastructure built in them were being abandoned in the 60's and 70's by the productive Middle Class and all the companies they worked for and created wealth with.
Because......(fill in the blank)
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....whacko bird in America at July 21, 2015 10:33 PM (+1T7c)
Thanks in advance.
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 21, 2015 10:35 PM (KG0mU)
420 And of course if you did the window guy would see it as a beautiful era of prosperity. The welfare office sends signup info to Mexico for the same basic reason.
Is putting leagues of citizens of another country on the welfare roles sutainable in the long term? Of course not. But you need to analyze it for its SHORT-TERM efficacies and you'll understand better why so many parties are so eager to see it done.
424 Of course the reason you don't get it is 'cuz you're so much smarter than me. Keep telling yourself that. What I'm questioning is the assumptions behind the Broken Windows issue. It's only a fallacy based on its intent.
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 10:30 PM (YJeFl)
MAx, you really need to read the original Bastiat paper. It's not even that long -- and the reason people keep pointing to it is that it is extremely well thought out, quite convincing, and nobody thinks they could do a better job of explaining it.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 21, 2015 10:35 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2015 10:35 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Rome != Italians. Romans were a tribe surrounded by dozens of others who weren't integrated into "Rome" until well after founding.
Latins also != Roman, which is odd considering.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 21, 2015 10:35 PM (VY8H5)
I saw it, thanks! More of that, less of attacking other Republicans. They're on the same team, in theory. Hit the other team and show you're best at it. Win the nomination that way.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:36 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Splunge at July 21, 2015 10:36 PM (qyomX)
<<
After all he is the monarch.
Posted by: Ralph at July 21, 2015 10:37 PM (/h17O)
I am not not blaming him.
I am pointing out the Senate did nothing to stop this.
Are you saying the US is helpless?
Posted by: eman at July 21, 2015 10:37 PM (MQEz6)
JFK was all about price controls on steel, and fought with them because they were making "too much money" and high priced steel was holding back economic growth (like with auto companies).
Government regulation (which could be called a form of socialism) combined with ridiculously generous union contracts / pensions (which really killed the steel industry in the 1980's, when all those guys started to retire) changed the growth curve of steel in the 1960's. Plus, cheaper steel from Japan (which was pretty good quality then).
Then in the 1970's, the government tried to kill the auto makers with more regulation (plus those Japanese imports were a rollin' in).
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....whacko bird in America at July 21, 2015 10:25 PM (+1T7c)
The US still has a formidable steel industry. Part of the industry's downfall in the early 80's was both recessionary legacy costs and EPA regulatory squeeze. Steel did not modernize for years and when they had to, it was ugly. But modern mills and those that were able to get enough capital to modernize survived.
Currently the US ranks 4th in world production, with China producing 10 times what the US produces.
Posted by: Jen the original at July 21, 2015 10:37 PM (WV80V)
Nazis are right-wing.
Posted by: JP
--------
Um..., sure.
"Leftists become incandescent when reminded of the socialist roots of Nazism"
http://preview.tinyurl.com/kykdf34
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2015 10:38 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 21, 2015 10:38 PM (kGrwF)
446 You absolutely don't need to explain Bastiat to me. Bastiat's theory is only a fallacy in the long term and if a strong economy is the goal. There are many forces in play today that are instead pushing to destroy the national economy to bring about their globalist paradise.
Hence moving 1/3 of Mexico's population into our home, for instance.
So among all the explanations here about the decline of U.S.Steel and the ascendancy of japanese steel none include an appreciation of the fact that as Japan's foundries had to be built from the rubble after the war they were built around more modern processes that made better quality steel and made it cheaper than the old undestroyed U.S. foundries.
Which means either you don't know whatwe're talking about or you're just going out of your way to be argumentative and obtuse.
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 10:39 PM (YJeFl)
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....whacko bird in America at July 21, 2015 10:33 PM (+1T7c)
Patriarchal heterocisnormative white privilege?
Posted by: Country Singer at July 21, 2015 10:40 PM (nL0sw)
Well, Slap's not here, so, you may have to wait on that.
(Just giving him shit
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 10:40 PM (vHOq/)
That's because they didn't have to modernize. Or pay their workers. Or have any regulations.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:40 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2015 10:40 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 21, 2015 10:41 PM (wKc1L)
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 21, 2015 10:42 PM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at July 21, 2015 10:42 PM (ucDmr)
How long will it take Hillary to clinch the Democrat nomination?
Depends.
Posted by: Splunge at July 21, 2015 10:43 PM (qyomX)
Posted by: Barky at July 21, 2015 10:43 PM (9mTYi)
My brother also passed away and left me some money. I didn't really pay any tax on it. It was enough to pay for my wife and I to adopt a child -smile-
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 21, 2015 10:43 PM (KG0mU)
Latins also != Roman, which is odd considering.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 21, 2015 10:35 PM (VY8H5)
Word.
Posted by: The Volscian at July 21, 2015 10:43 PM (7YlUk)
I have a relative that is anti-semitic. My comment to her ALWAYS, is that I will always side with joos agains Islamic lunatics. ALWAYS. Jews aren't trying to blow us up, aren't are opening fire on our unarmed marines, aren't flying planes into our buildings.
Okay, they pancaked Rachel Corrie, but as Forrest Gump said, "Stupid is as stupid does."
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 21, 2015 10:44 PM (kGrwF)
Take where we are right now. There's no economic theory in the world - even keynesian - that teaches you can simply print a trillion dollars out of nowhere and not destroy your whole system. It just cannot work.
But look around you, we aren't rolling a wheelbarrow full of dollars to buy a loaf of bread when by all rights we should. Its too complicated to make sense out of. Plus the Obama administration figured out a way to sock it all away into a gigantic slush fund (the FDIC reserve)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:44 PM (39g3+)
He didn't? Yes he did.
He got away with it again, didn't he.
He's king butterfly. He's a monarch.
Posted by: Ralph at July 21, 2015 10:45 PM (/h17O)
>>I am pointing out the Senate did nothing to stop this.
>>Are you saying the US is helpless?
Wut?
No, I'm not saying the US is helpless. Did you read anything I wrote?
I'm saying that Obama never had any intention of going to Congress with this. His intention all along was to get the P5 +1 partners to agree to walk away from the sanctions agreement and they did. And when they did, game over.
Did you not see that both Germany and France have already announced that they are going to Iran to seek trade deals? For all practical purposes it does not matter what the US Senate does now, Iran is going to get the bomb with or without our help.
Besides just saying the Senate did nothing to stop this maybe you can tell me exactly how they were going to stop this. Real actual things not just saying they should have stopped it.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 10:45 PM (OGm46)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2015 10:45 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2015 10:46 PM (MDgS8)
Never understood, never will understand, choosing barbarism over civilisation.
Posted by: Splunge at July 21, 2015 10:46 PM (qyomX)
Posted by: CozMark at July 21, 2015 10:46 PM (52QgN)
Good luck with that. You'll probably want to take on Hayek next.
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2015 10:46 PM (sdi6R)
Think about it.
Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2015 10:46 PM (MDgS
F**kers...
Posted by: The Dacians at July 21, 2015 10:46 PM (7YlUk)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
I've actually been to a very large Chinese steel mill, and been in the heart of Chinese coal country (Datong), and it looks like America from the 1920's 0r 30's.
The Chinese have some modern ideas and are modernizing all the time, but they are still kind of backward.
Modern US steel mills actually have very few people in them, because so much of the operation is so heavily mechanized and controlled by a handful of operators. It is extremely efficient these days, since they mostly went through bankruptcies in the 1990's etc, to shed their old pension obligations (which are now being paid by you and me, by the US Pension Guaranty Corporation, subsidized by the US Gov.).
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....whacko bird in America at July 21, 2015 10:47 PM (+1T7c)
The better question is "why is Romania called that?" It actually makes sense - there are purer Roman blood people there than in Italy - but its still a curiosity.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:47 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2015 10:47 PM (MDgS8)
Duh. There's already a "Romania." They did that like 100 years ago.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 10:47 PM (vHOq/)
Posted by: Caitlyn Has A Dick at July 21, 2015 10:47 PM (rR40J)
If you've ever lived in the same neighborhood, or known welfare people, you know exactly what is wrong with the entire concept of it. It destroys people's attitudes. It trains people to believe that they have a God given right to a free ride. It teaches people that they shouldn't have to accept the consequences of their own bad behavior and stupid decisions. Your average white liberal wouldn't get caught dead living in the same neighborhood with welfare people or sending their kids to the same schools with welfare kids. By encouraging Hispanics to sign up for welfare, we're ruining them.
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 21, 2015 10:48 PM (kGrwF)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 10:49 PM (vHOq/)
Posted by: CozMark at July 21, 2015 10:50 PM (52QgN)
Posted by: Caitlyn Has A Dick
Some here opt for Pale Moon flavor of Firefox. I don't.
It's coded entirely by one dude in Germany or Austria. He may be the nicest gent in the world, but that is one weak link.
I use SRWare Iron flavor of Chrome. German outfit that supposedly has neutered the reporting/schpy features of Chrome.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 21, 2015 10:50 PM (VY8H5)
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 21, 2015 10:50 PM (UnJ7w)
446 You absolutely don't need to explain Bastiat to me. Bastiat's theory is only a fallacy in the long term and if a strong economy is the goal. There are many forces in play today that are instead pushing to destroy the national economy to bring about their globalist paradise.
Hence moving 1/3 of Mexico's population into our home, for instance.
So among all the explanations here about the decline of U.S.Steel and the ascendancy of japanese steel none include an appreciation of the fact that as Japan's foundries had to be built from the rubble after the war they were built around more modern processes that made better quality steel and made it cheaper than the old undestroyed U.S. foundries.
Which means either you don't know whatwe're talking about or you're just going out of your way to be argumentative and obtuse.
Posted by: MAx at July 21, 2015 10:39 PM (YJeFl)
Bastiat's observation (not a theory) is that you can only discuss the benefits of broken windows if you ignore the costs. The reason this comes up in discussion is that the window is something you can see and touch, while the costs have been relegated to might-have-beens and if-only's by the fierce demand of fixing the window. That is why the title is "That Which is Seen, and That Which is Not Seen."
Since he pointed it out in 1850, it has been repeatedly challenged on a variety of fronts....but the essay has stood up very well to those challenges. Nobody wants to have an ad-hoc discussion because Bastiat expressed it so well.
Posted by: cthulhu at July 21, 2015 10:51 PM (EzgxV)
Well, if the Senate can't stop it, then the USA is helpless.
Posted by: eman at July 21, 2015 10:51 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Splunge
Ayn Rand wrote a very good essay about this about 50 plus years ago, in the early '60's.
Essentially, the Left loves barbarism because of its intellectual primitiveness and ease of rule. Barbarism can be ruled by raw force; it makes popularly elected rule of law type governments unnecessary to wield power.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....whacko bird in America at July 21, 2015 10:51 PM (+1T7c)
Posted by: CozMark at July 21, 2015 10:51 PM (52QgN)
________
You shouldn't have Federal taxes to pay or State taxes most likely. If the estate exceeded $5.35 million (approx) for an individual the estate would have to pay a tax prior to distribution. It shouldn't fall on you.
Posted by: BuckIV at July 21, 2015 10:51 PM (CLfqv)
Posted by: Nicolae Ceaușescu at July 21, 2015 10:51 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: LGoPs at July 21, 2015 10:52 PM (zgrUm)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:52 PM (39g3+)
Gritty. Piney.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 10:52 PM (vHOq/)
Posted by: CozMark at July 21, 2015 10:52 PM (52QgN)
As long as Obama is President, yea, pretty much.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 10:52 PM (OGm46)
tell me exactly how they were going to stop this. Real actual things not
just saying they should have stopped it."
If you help give us back control of the Senate in 2014, we're absolutely going to use the "power of the purse", working with our counterparts in the House, to rein in all of the Obama administration's abuses. Bet on it.
Posted by: The GOP Establishment at July 21, 2015 10:52 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Bossy Conservative
-----------------
Which is why Barky hates the Constitution.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2015 10:53 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 21, 2015 10:53 PM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 10:53 PM (vHOq/)
Fucking close to water.
Nyuk, nyuk.
Posted by: LGoPs at July 21, 2015 10:54 PM (zgrUm)
I hadn't thought about that until reading The Guns of August when it mentioned that Romanian troops were part of a 'parade of the Latin peoples'. I'm used to thinking of them as Slavic.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 21, 2015 10:54 PM (GDulk)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 10:52 PM (OGm46)
Let's not argue about this too much, but a treaty requires 2/3 of the Senates consent, as per the Constitution.
The Corker Bill was the R's slimeball way out of having a face down with Obama over the Iran deal.
It was kabuki, failure theater, whatever you want to call it.
They should have dared him to pass a treaty without the Senate, then refused to acknowledge it and follow up on some campaign promises to start defunding departments if he tried to implement the treaty.
If they're not willing to do anything, why did we elect them?
Let Reid be in charge. He at least had funny exercise stories.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 21, 2015 10:55 PM (AkOaV)
It didn't really taste Rocky Mountains.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 10:55 PM (vHOq/)
You can eat a mountain, you know.
Posted by: Zombie Euell Gibbons at July 21, 2015 10:55 PM (Dwehj)
That's because they didn't have to modernize. Or pay their workers. Or have any regulations.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:40 PM (39g3+)
Yes, that is true and also add in that the local gov. in China are who own the individual steel mills and have no incentive to reduce capacity or output and lose that cash.
China has far too much capacity and as the Central Gov. keeps having to subsidize the industry, they are sparking tariffs and trade wars with other individual countries, including the USA who demand protection from China essentially dumping steel.
It will come home to roost eventually for them, as math is not truly able to be defied for long.
http://tinyurl.com/od7kn6t
Posted by: Jen the original at July 21, 2015 10:55 PM (WV80V)
Posted by: @votermom at July 21, 2015 10:21 PM (cbfNE)
Venice had a good run. But not close to what Rome was
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2015 10:56 PM (DiZBp)
Excuse me, but I'm a Keystone Light fan myself. I still remember when the tall boy six packs were $2.99.
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 21, 2015 10:56 PM (UnJ7w)
As long as Obama is President, yea, pretty much.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 10:52 PM (OGm46)
Really?
You mean another President in office right now could stop it?
Say, Obama and Biden both drop dead and Boehner is Prez: now the deal can be stopped?
Posted by: eman at July 21, 2015 10:56 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: CozMark at July 21, 2015 10:56 PM (52QgN)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill
Well, while there, did you actually taste a rock and/or mountain?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 21, 2015 10:56 PM (VY8H5)
The caller just accepted that and told me to have a good night. Apparently, they already know a lot of people are pissed. I doubt it'll translate into meaningful action, but it's good that they know, at least.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 21, 2015 10:56 PM (wKc1L)
Bastiat was an idiot. A relic. Completely out of touch with modern economic concepts.
Just to cite one example, our permanently covering over all of the exterior openings of all of the building windows in the country, to prevent sunlight from entering, will be a massive economic boon.
Think of the spur to energy-efficient lighting that will ensue! We'll lead the world in that technology! Jobs galore!
Posted by: Paul Krugman at July 21, 2015 10:57 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 10:58 PM (vHOq/)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 21, 2015 10:58 PM (KG0mU)
Too bad about all the soldiers and civilians who got killed, but the good news is that they can be replaced too, by unskilled labor. So the survivors should get busy humpin'.
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2015 10:59 PM (sdi6R)
It actually makes sense - there are purer Roman blood people there
than in Italy - but its still a curiosity.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:47 PM (39g3+)
I dated a girl from Romania I think they consider themselves direct descendants of the Romans. She saw my DVD of Dracula with Bela Lugosi and said, in your country he's a monster in my country he's a national hero.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2015 10:59 PM (DiZBp)
-----------------------------------------
How come if the Left hates "Nationalism" so much, they want to "Nationalize" everything....?
Posted by: Mega at July 21, 2015 11:00 PM (9Du4t)
Got some dust. Washed it down with beera. Didn't notice a relationship.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 11:00 PM (vHOq/)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 21, 2015 11:00 PM (VY8H5)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:52 PM (39g3+)
Indeed. There is a Carnegie library in the tiny town close to me. According to Wiki, Carnegie grants built over 3500 libraries here and overseas.
Posted by: Jen the original at July 21, 2015 11:00 PM (WV80V)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2015 11:01 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: CozMark at July 21, 2015 11:01 PM (52QgN)
Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2015 11:01 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: Mindy at July 21, 2015 11:01 PM (jVZr1)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 21, 2015 11:01 PM (wKc1L)
Posted by: Mike Hammer
Well, among other things. I agree.
He is an angry man, who hates white people (in a general sense) and is a class -warrior and rabble-rouser. As long as there are people out there to be used for his rabble-rousing, he can always cause more trouble.
I seem him continuing his political agitation after he leaves office. Who knows, he may run for the Senate again?
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....whacko bird in America at July 21, 2015 11:01 PM (+1T7c)
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 21, 2015 11:02 PM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 21, 2015 11:02 PM (g4acn)
Posted by: Jon Carry
Its ok because Kerry ended up with a dirty sanchez which is a kind of mustache.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 21, 2015 11:02 PM (QdAXQ)
>>You mean another President in office right now could stop it?
>>Say, Obama and Biden both drop dead and Boehner is Prez: now the deal can be stopped?
I'm saying the deal never would have happened under even the worst GOP President.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 11:02 PM (OGm46)
Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 21, 2015 11:03 PM (OQ9R7)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 21, 2015 11:03 PM (wKc1L)
Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2015 11:04 PM (MDgS8)
I too dabbled in the Icehouse, but got tired of waking up in jail. Yech!!
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 21, 2015 11:04 PM (UnJ7w)
BANQUET! BEER!
Of course they're the finest of beers. PEOPLE AT BANQUETS ENJOY THEM!
It may be bed time.
Posted by: CozMark at July 21, 2015 11:04 PM (52QgN)
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 21, 2015 11:04 PM (QdAXQ)
That's what I understand too. I'm just giving you shit. Give me shit back
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 11:04 PM (vHOq/)
Ahem. That's former Enron economic adviser Paul Krugman!
Posted by: AOSHQ style guide at July 21, 2015 11:04 PM (z9azR)
Don't think about it.
Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2015 11:01 PM (MDgS
ಠ_ಠ
Posted by: Ælfrēd se Grēata at July 21, 2015 11:04 PM (7YlUk)
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 21, 2015 10:38 PM (kGrwF)
"He's dead! He doesn't need it anymore! We let him keep it when he was alive, but that's OUR money now! Eleventy!!!!!"
Posted by: Anthony Wiener
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 21, 2015 11:04 PM (2z4UX)
He hates white people in every sense. Of course if it weren't for whitey he would have been dead of starvation at the age of 3
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2015 11:05 PM (DiZBp)
Hey, they just want the trains to run on time. And such nice autobahns!
Posted by: t-bird at July 21, 2015 11:06 PM (FcR7P)
Lots of work beckons in the next few days. And a family reunion.
You all rock, I'm off to a nap. Love your close ones.
Posted by: Farmer at July 21, 2015 11:06 PM (o/90i)
Don't think about it.
Posted by: eleven at July 21, 2015 11:01 PM (MDgS
___________________________
There was a bunch of people that ran around naked and painted their bodies blue. They called themselves the Angle.
Posted by: CozMark at July 21, 2015 11:06 PM (52QgN)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 21, 2015 11:06 PM (wKc1L)
Yes.
You are also saying only Obama is to blame for where we stand now.
I'm saying you are letting the GOP off too easy.
Way too easy.
Posted by: eman at July 21, 2015 11:06 PM (MQEz6)
The jist of it is to start communicating to the international community this Iranian love fest will be over day one and if you are foolish enough to invest, lend, or sell anything to Iran, expect to lose your shirt. This should freeze any investment from now to inauguration day.
Good Stuff. Walker 2016
Posted by: WisRich at July 21, 2015 11:06 PM (xWQFH)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 11:04 PM (vHOq/)
Ricardo, i knows you was just given me hassles. Besides, I'm still too ashamed to buy the Big Flats beer from Walgreens. That's why i do work overtime lol.
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 21, 2015 11:07 PM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 21, 2015 11:10 PM (XAFOu)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 21, 2015 11:10 PM (wKc1L)
>>You are also saying only Obama is to blame for where we stand now.
>>I'm saying you are letting the GOP off too easy.
>>Way too easy.
Yes, I am. It's Obama's fault we are where we are with respect to Iran. 100%.
And I'm saying you still haven't given me one small thing the Senate could have done to stop Obama having his minions negotiate with foreign powers to crush international sanctions. He is the President and international negotiations are his job like it or not.
We can agree that the Republicans in Congress have done a shitty job for years but this fiasco is all Obama.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 11:12 PM (OGm46)
_____________________
Dude, the fix was in. The EU, China, Russia and the Banksters all want a piece of the action in Iran.
Whether the US Senate wanted to do something or not is of no consequence in the overall scheme.
I'm agreeing with the interested parties. All I am doing is recognizing the international reality that the sanctions were going to end soon whether there was a treaty or not.
Posted by: CozMark at July 21, 2015 11:13 PM (52QgN)
Posted by: CozMark at July 21, 2015 11:19 PM (52QgN)
Posted by: Dr mr badman at July 21, 2015 11:21 PM (Bqw6G)
Posted by: Bibi at July 21, 2015 11:21 PM (Bjvsz)
"An asphalt utopia is on the horizon."
http://preview.tinyurl.com/pj3uu3j
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2015 11:22 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 21, 2015 11:33 PM (wKc1L)
But these are just stories... all but lost to history.
Posted by: asteroid superfan at July 22, 2015 12:00 AM (47csT)
Posted by: Caitlyn Has A Dick at July 21, 2015 10:47 PM (rR40J)
Pale Moon. Like Firefox used to be, without all the cruft.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 22, 2015 12:28 AM (g4acn)
Posted by: Caitlyn Has A Dick at July 21, 2015 10:47 PM (rR40J)
I bailed out before I got that far. Wishcasting, by a leftard.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 22, 2015 12:38 AM (g4acn)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 22, 2015 01:27 AM (wKc1L)
"An asphalt utopia is on the horizon."
http://preview.tinyurl.com/pj3uu3j
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2015 11:22 PM (9mTYi)
Told you so.
Posted by: Ted Kaczynski at July 22, 2015 01:40 AM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 22, 2015 05:24 AM (GpgJl)
"Iran "Deal" Includes Secret Side Agreements as to How Obama Will Treat Important Iranian Nuke Facilities.."
So, Obama is the forever president? Will the next president get let in on the secret side arrangements? This appears to be, errr, obama exclusive.
Posted by: GrandeMe at July 22, 2015 11:02 AM (xhawg)
Posted by: NYC Peasant at July 22, 2015 12:22 PM (k8tEg)
How to stop the Iran-nuke deal - No one has yet articulated this key-approach [although Caroline Glick and Andrew McCarthy have approached it, also, as a treaty].
Posted by: Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D. at July 23, 2015 11:22 AM (zKIYq)
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