How Trump Is Affecting The GOP Field

A rich businessman with a history of not supporting Republicans while holding liberal positions on things like immigration and big government health care schemes combined with a propensity to say head shaking things. But enough about Mitt Romney, this is about Donald Trump.

A new poll is out showing Trump up to almost 25% "support." I put support in scare quotes because, he's not going to get 25% in any actual contest. 6+ months or so out from Iowa and New Hampshire and he's not leading in either state. So let's not even pretend this is about winning.

That's not to say that he's not having an impact. So here's a look at how I see him affecting each of the other candidates. We'll start with those least affected by Trump up to the most affected (either positively or negatively).

First, the group of candidates he's not having any impact on because no one cares about them...Huckabee (5th among evangelicals in Iowa? Go back to Fox Huckster), Kasich, Santorum, Jindal (which I think is a shame), Pataki, Graham.

Next are candidates who should be in the no-one cares about bin but might have escaped that hell if not for Trump:

Ben Carson. Raised a lot of money for his consultants but found the "outside guy people thought was a conservative but really has lots of liberal policy positions" suddenly filled by Trump. Carson wasn't going anywhere but Trump has ended his 15 minutes of fame earlier than it would have otherwise.

Carly Fiorina. She's the candidate everyone likes and wondered why she wasn't doing better while they supported someone else. She did a lot of dirty work early on to grab attention by saying things about Hillary no one else would. People wanted to get her on the stage instead of Trump but his rise has pushed him into the big leagues for now and left her and her pitch as the successful in business candidate in the dust.

Chris Christie. He consigned himself to irrelevancy by not running in 2012 and spending the next few years sucking up to Obama and non-GOP voters by attacking conservatives. Remember how he attacked House conservatives over delaying Sandy pork, er, relief? And then kept quiet while Harry Reid sat on it and Obama dithered over disbursing it. He wanted to run up the score in his reelection bid. Well he did that but at the cost of alienating actual GOP voters.

He's now running as the "I don't care about your feelings, I'm going to tell it like I see it" guy. Sounds familiar, huh? Trumped!

Scott Walker. So far there doesn't seem to much either way here. As he's the front runner in Iowa, a state he basically needs to win to have a shot at the nomination, he might be helped somewhat by Trump sucking up all the air from other candidates who might rise up to challenge him there. So far though it's mostly a push.

Rick Perry. He should be at the top of this list with the also rans who have no chance but he's breaking with the pack by hitting Trump the hardest, first on Trump's language on Hispanics and now on McCain. I doubt it's enough but when you're stuck in a dark basement with others it helps to be the only one who might have a flashlight to help you find the stairs.

Marco Rubio. He's a lot like Walker in that there's no direct overlap with Trump but unlike Walker, he needs to pick up the pace and get in the fight. Trump's early success is keeping the talk away from things like Iran, Cuba and "the future", which is where Rubio wants the fight to be.

Of course anything that brings immigration and amnesty to the fore is likely to hurt Rubio. He cratered with GOP voters after the Senate passed the Schumer-Rubio-McCain-Reid-Obama amnesty bill. As the issue faded he managed to recover but having it front and center can't be a help to him.

Ted Cruz. This is more of an on the come bet. Cruz is the anti-Perry when it comes to Trump. He's made nice and refused to attack Trump. His strategy seems to be that at some point the Trump bubble will burst and those voters will have to go somewhere. He's positioning himself to be that somewhere. The problems with this plan is I doubt the Trump support moves as a block and as I said, I don't think it's as big as it appears.

All that said, Cruz is a second tier guy at best. If he can capitalize on the eventual Trump flame-out (and Trump doesn't go independent and take a lot of this angry base vote with him), Trump will have had a yuggeee impact on Cruz's campaign.

Rand Paul. Haven't heard much from him lately, have you? Not sure if that's by design or not but I think it helps him. Paul's launch went very well for him ("go ask Debbie Wasserman-Schultz about abortion") but then it devolved into NSA! all the time. Also, he's a prickly guy and he wasn't wearing well. Add to that having a tough time raising money and an inability to find a Super-PAC sugar daddy.

Aside from giving him a break and a chance to reset, Trump helps Paul by taking a lot of the heat that would have been directed at him. Guys like Christie, Graham, Rubio and even Walker were going to go hard after Paul. They either wanted to get a piece of his libertarian leaning base or make their bones with the establishment and hawkish wings by using Paul as a punching bag. Trump has come in to take a lot of that attention and heat.

Paul, like his dad, is better in small doses. There's a "I like him until he goes one step too far" quality with him. Now he can use his allotted 37 seconds of debate time to sound reasonable. He won't be subject to as many attacks and won't have to respond to them. That should give him a chance to build on his existing base.

Jeb Bush. Everything helps Jeb. He's going to be the nominee after all. Trump will keep all would be annoyances down for Jeb. He won't engage Trump and he'll just float above it all.

In the end the biggest service Trump will do for Jeb is scare GOP voters. After a summer and possibly fall (not sure Trump lasts that long as a factor), the moderate majority of the GOP voters will have been scared out of their minds by the kooks and their fevered "find a conservative" flirtations. Jeb, with all his Bush baggage, will seem safe, comfortable, familiar and most of all, electable. They will run to him like a long separated lover runs to their returning partner. There he will stand, waiting to embrace them and lead them to their tragic but inevitable death.

Seriously, it's going to be Jeb. He's what the GOP does. For all the talk of the crazy conservatives running the GOP look at who it nominates for President or elects to run things when they have congressional majorities. It's just the way it is, Trump or no Trump. In the end The Donald will simply play his part in delivering to Jeb his birthright as a Bush...the GOP nomination.

Added: Did I mention Perry is running against Trump? I think I did. Because he really is....

Inbox: "ICYMI: GOV. PERRY: “I'M GOING TO STAND UP TO [TRUMP], JUST LIKE I WOULD STAND UP TO VLADIMIR PUTIN”
— Molly Woodruff (@woodruffbets) July 21, 2015

Posted by: DrewM. at 10:25 AM

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1 I'd like to go a day or two without Trump News.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 21, 2015 10:26 AM (evdj2)

2 It's as bad as the CBF circular firing squad

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 21, 2015 10:26 AM (evdj2)

3 I probably still have 20 commenters on ignore after I discovered they hated me as a Southerner.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 21, 2015 10:27 AM (evdj2)

4 Sigh....I still Bobby Jindal.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 21, 2015 10:28 AM (Z9g7j)

5 Joke may have been funny if Romney had not been very strong on illegal immigration of all the Republicans. But you knew that.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 21, 2015 10:28 AM (B7Uun)

6 SMOD/Yellowstone Caldera 2016. Annihilation from above and below!

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2015 10:29 AM (2Ojst)

7 Of course they want Jeb. Kasich, Rubio and Perry, at the very least, are fake candidates meant to split the vote.

Again, HAS NO ONE LOOKED AT WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN FLORIDA RE THE STATE GOP.

The fuckers have RIGGED THE SYSTEM to winner takes all.

This is all for Jeb. Whoever wins Florida, wins the whole fucking thing. And none of the real conservatives we like can come close to competing in Florida, right now.

Hence the dilemma.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 21, 2015 10:29 AM (q5APL)

8 God help us if it really comes down to an election between Hillary and Jeb. I've never much gone in for the conspiracy theorists; that at the very top of both parties everyone is playing for the same team. That there are forces behind all these candidates pulling the strings. A Jeb-Hillary contest might make me reconsider.

Posted by: amichel at July 21, 2015 10:29 AM (vC6Bj)

9

Not many Republicans left here at AoS so...

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 21, 2015 10:30 AM (dc0Am)

10 I would like to support Perry but his gaffes keep getting in the way. One wonders if those are misquotes.

Right now there is no other candidate I would support.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 21, 2015 10:30 AM (GpgJl)

11 You have harshed my mello, Sir.

Posted by: Gromulin at July 21, 2015 10:30 AM (uOmcB)

12 11 You have harshed my mello, Sir.
Posted by: Gromulin at July 21, 2015 10:30 AM (uOmcB)

To quote the great Weird Al Yankovic, I'll be mellow when I'm dead.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2015 10:32 AM (2Ojst)

13 Seeing how we got McCain and Romney before, Jeb seems to the favored horse in the race.

Posted by: Draki at July 21, 2015 10:32 AM (0eidE)

14 I agree with almost all of what Drew usually posts, but dude you're fucking negativity is bringing me down.

Embrace fatalism. Embrace pessimism. You've got this one big fat present placed right on your lap to go tell the GOPe to go fuck themselves once and for all.

And it's like we're hearing from eeyore or some shit. Wake the fuck up.

If Jeb wins I'm sitting out or writing in Reagan. The country will be good and gone anyway. Not triangulating and figuring out a way to torpedo that fucker is admitting defeat.

Well Jebster is behind at least Trump and Walker right now.

But is Walker any different? That fucking Dayspring hire still burns me up.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 21, 2015 10:32 AM (q5APL)

15 Whatever else he's done, Trump has taken over the news. If it's not Trump, it's not news.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 21, 2015 10:32 AM (XUKZU)

16 You suffer from some sort of Romney derangement syndrome. Might be time to get over somebody who not only isn't running but never held liberal policies on illegal immigration, that would be one of the guys you supported last cycle, Gingrich.

And google Romney defund Planned Parenthood. You might have forgotten that too.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 10:32 AM (OGm46)

17
I probably still have 20 commenters on ignore after I discovered they hated me as a Southerner.

Posted by: Grump928(c)

It's more because you're an Alabama Crimson Tide fan.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 21, 2015 10:32 AM (RFeQD)

18 Well at least I can be disappointed early.

Can we start the recriminations phase now then?

Posted by: blaster at July 21, 2015 10:33 AM (2Ocf1)

19 I am not voting for Jeb. Period.

I have no doubt the GOPe will try to (metaphorically) shove him down my throat and up my ass, but NOPE.

I will vote for Shrillary to bring the Burning Times that much faster if Jeb is the nominee.

I have embraced my inner PUMA*.

(*Party Unity, My Ass.)

Posted by: J Anne at July 21, 2015 10:33 AM (5rbdR)

20 3 I probably still have 20 commenters on ignore after I discovered they hated me as a Southerner.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 21, 2015 10:27 AM (evdj2)

Really? Eh, fuck 'em.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2015 10:33 AM (2Ojst)

21 Soothsayer, indeed.

Vic, Perry lost me the second I found out that he hired that asshole licking cocksucker Austin Barbour.

Remember Mississippi.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 21, 2015 10:33 AM (q5APL)

22
Trump wouldnt be a problem for the GOP contenders if any of them were worth a damn.

Im done supporting chumps and losers and backstabbers.

Right now Trump is a thorn in the side of the Party who betrayed me. Go Trump!

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 21, 2015 10:34 AM (dc0Am)

23 Perry lost me the second I found out that he hired that asshole licking cocksucker Austin Barbour

Um, you don't have his number by any chance do you?

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at July 21, 2015 10:34 AM (2Ojst)

24 Test. Is my mobile still banned?

Posted by: fixerupper at July 21, 2015 10:34 AM (cygkw)

25 OT: Lurch Francois made a statement today that Iran's anti-US rhetoric and statements that they will defy the US is "Disturbing - Very troubling".

Well gee, where have you been stupid? They kill Americans, vow to wipe Israel off of the map, and have continually protested against the US and burned our flag. I think that "Death to America" has been mentioned.

Posted by: Cheri at July 21, 2015 10:34 AM (oiNtH)

26 I'm holding out hope for Walker.

Posted by: WisRich at July 21, 2015 10:35 AM (hdpay)

27 "In the end the biggest service Trump will do for Jeb is scare GOP voters. After a summer and possibly fall (not sure Trump lasts that long as a factor), the moderate majority of the GOP voters will have been scared out of their minds by the kooks and their fevered 'find a conservative' flirtations."

I disagree. McCain says Trump is bringing out the nutjobs, but IMO it's McCain and people like Jeb who are driving perfectly sane conservatives absolutely out of their minds. Trump is resonating because he's telling people like McCain to stuff it and using plain strong language on immigration. He may not be a serious contender but nobody else is either. Yes Jeb may get the nomination but that just makes him best of the rest, not a serious candidate for president.

Posted by: major major major major at July 21, 2015 10:35 AM (vOonM)

28 Woot!

Posted by: fixerupper at July 21, 2015 10:35 AM (2z4UX)

29 The Romney Derangement Syndrome is strong in this one.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 21, 2015 10:35 AM (2cS/G)

30 I've looked at gaffes
From both sides now
From win and lose
But still somehow
I really don't remember my Gaffes, at all

-stuff Rick Perry might say

Debby Bush, all the way! Yay!

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 21, 2015 10:36 AM (RFeQD)

31 I don't think I like this painting.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 21, 2015 10:36 AM (RD7QR)

32 I'm beginning to really like Carly Fiorina. The only real strike against her is how she managed (or is perceived to have managed) HP.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at July 21, 2015 10:36 AM (0RdKg)

33 Jeb. Meh.

He's the nominee and a few million conservatives who might actually vote Republican in the one or two swing states that actually matter will stay home.

With Jeb you get your chance at Kennedy, Souter, Roberts redux.

Posted by: Ed at July 21, 2015 10:37 AM (nPLSO)

34 Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 21, 2015 10:27 AM (evdj2)

Nah...it's not because you are Southern, it's your lousy taste in pistols.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2015 10:37 AM (Zu3d9)

35 I'm holding out hope for Walker.

Posted by: WisRich

I'm holding out for a really nice walker, too.

Posted by: Hillary Corleone Clinton, speaking at July 21, 2015 10:37 AM (RFeQD)

36 "Perry lost me the second I found out that he hired that asshole licking cocksucker Austin Barbour "

He'll do things like that. Great speech at his announcement rally and then turn around and do something silly.

Still, I guess he's the one I'm closest to. They've all disappointed in spectacular, mind-boggling, ways so far.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 10:37 AM (LA7Cm)

37 "Everything helps Jeb. He's going to be the nominee after all. Trump will
keep all would be annoyances down for Jeb. He won't engage Trump and
he'll just float above it all."

Yep. Trump is a stalking horse, either for Jeb or for Hillary. For which makes no real difference in the end...he's doing what the establishment needs done.

Posted by: Doomed at July 21, 2015 10:37 AM (bGLSw)

38 " I don't think I like this painting."

It's abstractism. It's whatever you want it to be.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 10:39 AM (LA7Cm)

39 It will never be Jeb. Ever.

Nor does Trump help him. He hurts him.

Trump, for better or worse, reminds us how GOP Voters have been sold out by people like Bush and his cheerleaders in Washington. Trump meteoric rise is not just about opportunism, it's about anger.

What the GOP and other partisans ignore at their peril is the- why?

Yeah sure, we've heard a lot of punditry that it's not real "anger". it's the "kookies", the "crazies" the commentariat, etc.

Problem is, there are a lot of simply pissed off people in the GOP who vote. People that normally are reasonable, everyday reliable voters. Not some figment of the Established Class in DC, so-called "real" conservatives or any other parochial power invention.

Those people are not going to vote for Bush. Ever. Bush will be the next Romney, just with a side of nachos and wrinkled khakis to show he's like us. Sure. It might as well be a pantsuit.

Believe it or not, Trump resonates with many real voters who actually go to the polls. Whether they would vote for him is an entirely different matter than whether they like whatever je nais se quoi he possesses.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 21, 2015 10:39 AM (GGCsk)

40 I'm still cautiously optimistic about Walker.

If it's Jeb then I'll be happy to see them all skewered on the barbed cock of Satan.

Posted by: JEM at July 21, 2015 10:39 AM (o+SC1)

41 I will never vote for today's Democrat and I will never not vote. I may be in my 'every man for themselves' mode from here on out but that doesn't mean I should assist in the fall of the Country. If my vote's only purpose is to delay the fall, I'm good with that.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 21, 2015 10:40 AM (B7Uun)

42 Trump will run as an indie, so Bush is cooked. Well played, GOP.

Posted by: Ynot you say at July 21, 2015 10:40 AM (TFWFz)

43 More importantly, there's talk of rebooting the Xena the Warrior Princess franchise.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2015 10:40 AM (JtwS4)

44 42 Trump will run as an indie, so Bush is cooked. Well played, GOP.
Posted by: Ynot you say at July 21, 2015 10:40 AM (TFWFz)

Hold on, I'm the only legitimate indie around here!

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at July 21, 2015 10:41 AM (2Ojst)

45 Can we start the recriminations phase now then?

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My how time flies! Is it Festivus already?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 21, 2015 10:41 AM (XUKZU)

46 "I will never vote for today's Democrat and I will never not vote. I may
be in my 'every man for themselves' mode from here on out but that
doesn't mean I should assist in the fall of the Country. If my vote's
only purpose is to delay the fall, I'm good with that."

There is no vote that can be cast that could possibly delay it.

Posted by: Doomed at July 21, 2015 10:42 AM (bGLSw)

47 Mmm. Another dash of hemlock with my morning joe

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 21, 2015 10:42 AM (s+GVx)

48
Posted by: Grump928(c)

It's more because you're an Alabama Crimson Tide fan

Say it ain't so, Joe!

Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 21, 2015 10:42 AM (/Ho8c)

49 "Everything helps Jeb. He's going to be the nominee after all. Trump will

keep all would be annoyances down for Jeb. He won't engage Trump and

he'll just float above it all."

Yep. Trump is a stalking
horse, either for Jeb or for Hillary. For which makes no real difference
in the end...he's doing what the establishment needs done.

Posted by: Doomed

At this point, this is all just something to complain about. Nobody knows what is really going to happen in the next 90 -180 days.

Trump implodes, Trump explodes, Jeb is inevitable. Blah....blah....blah.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....whacko bird in America at July 21, 2015 10:42 AM (RFeQD)

50 Hold on, I'm the only legitimate indie around here!

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren

Ahem.

Posted by: Bobby Jindal at July 21, 2015 10:42 AM (evdj2)

51 well true, but her successors have not made any better of it, le Toupee, as a born marketers, knows what issues to push and which to soft pedal, something the last M&A acquisition couldn't figure out,

Posted by: admiral marcus at July 21, 2015 10:43 AM (0u/CC)

52 Nah...it's not because you are Southern, it's your lousy taste in pistols.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Colt Navy 1851 ftw!

Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 21, 2015 10:43 AM (/Ho8c)

53 Kate Steinle's dad is testifying before the Senate committee on sanctuary cities right now.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 10:43 AM (OGm46)

54 IT WAS JUST A HUG FOR CRYING OUT LOUD

Posted by: Chris Christie at July 21, 2015 10:43 AM (cNtqS)

55 The polls aren't saying 25% of the people would vote for Trump. They are saying that 25% of the people agree with his message and methods.

He's saying a fence can be built while others are saying how impossible it would be.

He's standing up to the bully press, unapologetic and willing to take shots at his attackers.

Everyone knows there are better qualified candidates with the temperament needed for the job, but the polls are telling these candidates that they better adopt a more Trump-like stance or be left at the starting gate.

Posted by: jwest at July 21, 2015 10:43 AM (P/xrJ)

56 Paul, like his dad, is better in small doses. There's a "I like him until he goes one step too far" quality with him.

I really like that presentation of Rand Paul because, yup, yup yup yup.

Does anyone know why Jeb is running other than that's what the Bushes do? No, seriously, why the hell is he running? That's not oh noes Establishment Squish so much as I can give you an answer for everyone else in the field but him.

NEW PODCAST! GO LISTEN! NOW! NOW NOW NOW!

Ahem.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 21, 2015 10:43 AM (mf5HN)

57 Trump's declasse for tapping the vein of anxiety that the most revolutionary, calculated, rapid and transformational demographic change in American history evokes in a huge majority of American voters of both parties.

Jebby, Marco and McCain are concerned with the GOP being electorally competitive for Hispanic votes in 2036.

But Trump is focused on winning in 2016 and is onto something very serious.

Posted by: Teady at July 21, 2015 10:44 AM (nPLSO)

58 I don't think I like this painting.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You

I Nominate for Early Threadwinner.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 21, 2015 10:44 AM (/Ho8c)

59 I am a precinct delegate, a worker bee, I call, I walk, I work events, I have been a poll watcher. If Jeb is the nominee, I will no longer waste my time. I will not only not volunteer, after much thought and deliberation, I have decided to vote for his opponent. Let the Democrat party own a dissipated, collapsed America.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at July 21, 2015 10:44 AM (02oLK)

60 Probably-More importantly, there's talk of rebooting the Xena the Social Justice Warrior Princess franchise.

Posted by: traye at July 21, 2015 10:44 AM (P+Y6z)

61 You know, I don't know what is happening anymore. I sometimes think Trump is a stalking horse for either Jeb/Hildabeast, but then I see the faces/eyes of the "strategists" on TV, and I see real fear in their eyes. They are barely able to conceal their panic. They do not seem to be in control of this, OR, they somehow lost whatever control they had and don't understand WHY.

Posted by: TX ette at July 21, 2015 10:45 AM (sUJHF)

62 IT WAS JUST A HUG FOR CRYING OUT LOUD

Posted by: Chris Christie

There's a place for you on daytime TV.

Ever hear of Oprah Winfrey?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....whacko bird in America at July 21, 2015 10:45 AM (RFeQD)

63 Drew is right that Jeb will be the Republican nominee. And a Hillary-Jeb contest will generate a significant independent presidential candidate whose foundational priniciple will be opposition to the Ruling Class.

Government employees, tax-eaters and progressives generally will vote for Hillary. The rest of us will either vote for the Anti-Ruling-Class candidate or not vote.

The Chamber of Commerce can nominate a presidential candidate, but they can't make us vote for him.

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at July 21, 2015 10:45 AM (Dq8Uc)

64 The problems with this plan is I doubt the Trump support moves as a block
________________________

It might if another candidate will take a strong stand against the illegal invasion of our country that the Obama administration has been aiding and abetting -- not to mention funding with our money -- for the past 7 years.

People are fed up with this shit. That is the reason Trump's numbers are so high, and that is also the reason (among many others) that Jeb "I feel I'm really a hispanic and BTW I'm also willing to ram Common Core down your throats to appease my corporate donors" Bush will not win the nomination.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 21, 2015 10:45 AM (kGrdk)

65 Gag me with a pitchfork.

Posted by: Killerdog at July 21, 2015 10:46 AM (tZIYc)

66 "So let's not even pretend this is about winning."

I'm tired of hearing this. It's become such a stale, obligatory statement. Moreover, these are strange times, and to say with such certainty that anything is beyond the realm of possibility strikes me as unaware.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 21, 2015 10:46 AM (s/yC1)

67 Drew m, fuck you and the horse you rode in on. Every fucking chance you get, you jab at romney. Cocksuckers like you gave us obama's second term and all that comes with it- gay marriage, religious persecution, iran nukes, coal war etc. 4 million of your ilk stayed home cause you honestly felt romney was the same as obama. You bitches blame the eeeevil GOP, but you're the problem. Reagan hoped to get 80% of what he wanted, but you guys care more about validating your anger- gingrich won in s carolina?! Because he was angry. Dipshits. Enjoy your life in the banana republic you helped create. We will never get another pro-everify, border first guy again. Romney was THE ONLY strong immigration guy in 2008 and 2012, and u shat on him

Posted by: scott at July 21, 2015 10:46 AM (7S1U8)

68 Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at July 21, 2015 10:44 AM (02oLK)

Why don't you go work for the Democrats now. Why wait.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 21, 2015 10:47 AM (B7Uun)

69 TRUMP?

Posted by: Al Sharpton at July 21, 2015 10:47 AM (Dwehj)

70 *Confederate* Colt Navy 1851....if you please..

Posted by: fixerupper at July 21, 2015 10:47 AM (2z4UX)

71 It's depressing that Drew is me without trimming the beard for 3 years, standing in the HQ while wearing a sandwich board with Jeb's face overpainted with "The End is Nigh"

He's right though, Jeb's going to win the nomination and lose the election which will be three straight "electable" candidates going down in flames. The consultants will berate the base and then start pushing Kasich 2020 - because Civil War II is a great idea.

Posted by: Austin in TX at July 21, 2015 10:47 AM (Co/Wb)

72 For all you Romney Amnesty Truthers, here's what he said about the McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill....

"I don't believe in rounding up 11 million people and forcing them at gunpoint from our country," Romney said. "With these 11 million people, let's have them registered, know who they are. Those who've been arrested or convicted of crimes shouldn't be here; those that are here paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process towards application for citizenship, as they would from their home country.

http://tinyurl.com/nfd3lz4

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2015 10:47 AM (W63ne)

73 Donald Trump? Never heard of him.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at July 21, 2015 10:47 AM (2Ojst)

74
Does anyone know why Jeb is running other than that's what the Bushes do?

Back when W was starting out the received wisdom was that he was the wrong next generation Bush, that Jeb was the smarter, better one.

I presume he regrets not seizing the moment.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2015 10:47 AM (JtwS4)

75 The only real strike against her is how she managed (or is perceived to have managed) HP.

Find a dozen voters whose printer hasn't crapped out - ever.

Posted by: DaveA at July 21, 2015 10:47 AM (DL2i+)

76 Fucking Romney.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 21, 2015 10:48 AM (evdj2)

77 I feel like the media is exacerbating this issue. They deliberately focus on Trump, not just because he's great fodder, but also to starve the other candidates of attention. Maybe Fiorina or some other third tier candidate ends up making a splash in the future, but they'll have a lot of leg work to do to establish a presence in the public consciousness.

Posted by: Hal at July 21, 2015 10:48 AM (hmPdt)

78
I probably still have 20 commenters on ignore after I discovered they hated me as a Southerner.
Posted by: Grump928(c)

All those names dropped off'n your Christmas whittlin' list.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 21, 2015 10:48 AM (kdS6q)

79 >>> He's the nominee and a few million conservatives who might actually vote Republican in the one or two swing states that actually matter will stay home.

If the GOP had 2 brain cells to rub together they could split the difference and support Fiorina. She can drum up the base and she can bridge the significant gap to the general population. But they owe their favors, I guess

Regardless, the demographics, population centers, mood of the country, laws in place, and future projects sponsored by the Admin have sealed the fate of the GOP no matter what candidate you want to find and put up.

Its done, folks. Stop the bickering and make other plans.

Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at July 21, 2015 10:48 AM (3ZtZW)

80 3
I probably still have 20 commenters on ignore after I discovered they hated me as a Southerner.

Ain't that something? Ya'll quit hatin on the South!

OT - Maybe this was already covered but it looks like in addition to forcing kids to wear out their brown crayon coloring Martin Luther "I can't keep my pants zipped " King Jr.'s bulbous dome in school every other week, we will now be treated to a giant image of King blasted into the granite of Stone Mountain because FAIRNESS and CONFEDERATEBATTLEFLAG.

The alternative choice by the NAACP was Jimmy "Jew-hater" Carter.

In granite. Forever.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 21, 2015 10:49 AM (cNtqS)

81 NEW PODCAST! GO LISTEN! NOW!

Nope, busy

Here's a present

http://cheezburger.com/8533356800

Posted by: DaveA at July 21, 2015 10:50 AM (DL2i+)

82 We have morons who hate people because they are from the South? What the heck? There are some things I don't agree with them on, but last I checked we are on the same team.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 21, 2015 10:50 AM (jtStN)

83 billionaire don't care.

Posted by: steinmetz at July 21, 2015 10:51 AM (CrYC8)

84 If Jeb is the nominee, I will no longer waste my time. I will not only not volunteer, after much thought and deliberation, I have decided to vote for his opponent. Let the Democrat party own a dissipated, collapsed America.
______________________

I hear you, buddy. If the Chamber of Commerce manages to get Jeb nominated (which I don't think they will, given the country's mood, but it would be foolish to underestimate their willingness to cheat), then I'm out. I won't vote for another Bush, ever again, under any circumstances.

If it's Jeb, then I'll just surrender, quit my job, apply for food stamps and welfare and cheer the country's destruction with the rest of the idiots.

Enough.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 21, 2015 10:51 AM (kGrdk)

85 I feel sorry for the horse Drew rode in on.

Always getting fucked.

Posted by: jwest at July 21, 2015 10:51 AM (P/xrJ)

86
If the GOP had 2 brain cells to rub together they could split the difference and support Fiorina. She can drum up the base and she can bridge the significant gap to the general population.
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie

Well, there is the slight problem that she's at zero in the polls.

Not near zero. Zero zero.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 21, 2015 10:51 AM (kdS6q)

87 This is a pretty useless post but whatever. These prognostications are about as good as any one of us could have come up with but I don't think Jeb Bush will be the nominee. I would never vote for him even if it means Clinton wins because there is virtually no difference between them.

Posted by: James Lingk at July 21, 2015 10:52 AM (Bcqod)

88 >>I don't believe in rounding up 11 million people and forcing them at gunpoint from our country," Romney said. "With these 11 million people, let's have them registered, know who they are. Those who've been arrested or convicted of crimes shouldn't be here; those that are here paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process towards application for citizenship, as they would from their home country.

And that, if you weren't so blinded by illogical rage, represents the strictest border policy of any Republican candidate in years. Get rid of the criminals immediately and make everyone else go home and apply for immigration like everyone else.

Even your boy Gingrich criticized Romney for wanting to "round up Grandmas and deport them" but you are too blinded by your own false interpretation of facts to acknowledge that. Flavor of the Day Trump is also on record as calling Romney's policies to mean and Preibus also said Romney's harsh policies had no place in the Republican Party.

In short, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 10:52 AM (OGm46)

89 Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 21, 2015 10:43 AM (/Ho8c)

Well, if you have one in excellent condition I would be willing to help out a Moron and take it off your hands.

http://tinyurl.com/bbcqz2f

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2015 10:52 AM (Zu3d9)

90
last I checked we are on the same team.

There is no Team in Moron.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2015 10:52 AM (JtwS4)

91
Carly Fiorina. She's the candidate everyone likes and wondered why she wasn't doing better while they supported someone else. She did a lot of dirty work early on to grab attention by saying things about Hillary no one else would. People wanted to get her on the stage instead of Trump but his rise has pushed him into the big leagues for now and left her and her pitch as the successful in business candidate in the dust.

At least 400,000 current and former Hewlett packard employees will vote against her, just saying.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 21, 2015 10:53 AM (GsebS)

92 I put support in scare quotes because, he's not going to get 30% in any actual contest.

And the poll had a minority of actual GOP voters.

If the GOP had 2 brain cells to rub together they could split the difference and support Fiorina.

Exactly; the thing I can't work out is why the Republican Party isn't pushing Carly Fiorino harder. She's every bit the moderate Jeb Bush is, is far more attractive a candidate, is a better speaker, and utterly undercuts Hillary's "grrl power" vote. She's far more accomplished than most of the candidates in terms of real life experiences and is a proven executive leader.

If she had actual conservative leanings rather than chamber of commerce big business ones, I'd think of her as a great choice. But for the GOPe, she's so painfully obvious as their first choice.

The only conceivable reason I can think that she's not their pick is that they owe the Bush family or the Bushes have tremendous influence in the back rooms.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:54 AM (39g3+)

93 Trump's "striking a vein" is basically like democrats leaking word of impending democrat scandals as pre-damage control, to take some air out of a breaking story. Once Trump goes away, the other candidates can get back to largely not mentioning the issues he's raised, or at least sounding more "sensible" and "moderate" on them, therefore more palatable to a wider array of potential (R) voters.

Posted by: Doomed at July 21, 2015 10:54 AM (bGLSw)

94 "I don't think Jeb Bush will be the nominee..."
Posted by: James Lingk at July 21, 2015 10:52 AM (Bcqod)

I agree.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 21, 2015 10:54 AM (s/yC1)

95 85 I feel sorry for the horse Drew rode in on.

Always getting fucked.
Posted by: jwest at July 21, 2015 10:51 AM (P/xrJ)

Such a vulgar way to describe the beautiful nature of love between man and horse.

Posted by: Andrew Mendoza at July 21, 2015 10:54 AM (QLznQ)

96 81 NEW PODCAST! GO LISTEN! NOW!

Nope, busy

Here's a present

http://cheezburger.com/8533356800
Posted by: DaveA at July 21, 2015 10:50 AM (DL2i+)

Another Fuck This Thing In Particular Cat. How appropriate.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 21, 2015 10:54 AM (RD7QR)

97 Bushes have tremendous influence in the back rooms

Yes.

Posted by: Sandra Flook at July 21, 2015 10:55 AM (Dwehj)

98 I hope that Mr. Drew is right and thatthe damage, DonaldTrump does to our party, can be repaired. And it will indeed take a serious, seasoned and competent leaderto reassure the electorate that the Republican Party isnt on a one-way trip to Crazy Town. Jeb Bush is our return ticket!

Posted by: Begonia at July 21, 2015 10:55 AM (FGxvI)

99 last I checked we are on the same team.

There is no Team in Moron.
Posted by: Bandersnatch

But there is one in championship. Which is what team gop is going to win.

Posted by: traye at July 21, 2015 10:55 AM (P+Y6z)

100 When is Trump going to attack Democrats?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 21, 2015 10:55 AM (NjiZL)

101 republican politicians have been on their heels under the assault of "racism sexism fascism" (tm dem party)
for about 20 years. billionaire don't care. if they're not liked, they're not elected, they're out of a job. billionaire don't care. common knowledge says they must cater to hispanics. billionaire don't care.

refreshing.

Posted by: steinmetz at July 21, 2015 10:55 AM (CrYC8)

102 At least 400,000 current and former Hewlett packard employees will vote against her, just saying.

I can guarantee you that more than 1% of the population will vote against Jeb Bush just because of his name. She's a far better pick for the GOPe.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:56 AM (39g3+)

103 >>> Well, there is the slight problem that she's at zero in the polls.

Sure, I know.

Where's Jeb's support coming from?

Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at July 21, 2015 10:56 AM (3ZtZW)

104 Enough with all this silly "Jeb" talk, Drew. Its ridiculous. No one will vote for him and hes sinking like a rock in Iowa, NH and even in South Carolina. If he doesn't win one of the first two he will be on life support for the third, and it wont be pretty.

Paul? No one cares.

Posted by: MTF at July 21, 2015 10:57 AM (DkJ4E)

105 Begonia, it's too early to be that drunk.

*A "little" drunk I can see, but*

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 10:57 AM (LA7Cm)

106 There is no Team in Moron.
Posted by: Bandersnatch

Well, there would be if it were spelled Morteamon.

(What?)

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 21, 2015 10:57 AM (RD7QR)

107 Carly Fiorina. She's the candidate everyone likes and wondered why she wasn't doing better while they supported someone else.

Carly Fiorina is a loser who thinks being a woman entitles her to win elections.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 21, 2015 10:57 AM (m9wUQ)

108 Back when W was starting out the received wisdom was that he was the wrong next generation Bush, that Jeb was the smarter, better one.

I presume he regrets not seizing the moment.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2015 10:47 AM (JtwS4)

I do remember that, now that you mention it.

I don't know, there's something about the noblesse oblige of it that makes me want to go find those adorable new manatee twins that were born down in FL and punch them.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 21, 2015 10:58 AM (mf5HN)

109 68 Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at July 21, 2015 10:44 AM (02oLK)

Why don't you go work for the Democrats now. Why wait.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 21, 2015 10:47 AM (B7Uun)
--------------
Because I am working hard so that Jeb! does NOT become the nominee. Sheesh, there is still a looooong way to go, although the primary math is disheartening.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at July 21, 2015 10:58 AM (02oLK)

110 I think the point has been missed.

Trump is not the problem and his support in the polls is not a mirage.

#1: The only people who think Trump is a Republican are Democrats and Donald Trump.
#2: #1 is irrelevant to Trump's support and poll standing.
#3: Before Trump, the GOP field was talking about what, exactly?

You can either use jiu-jitsu with Trump or you can jerk off in the corner.
One has a 0% chance of stopping Jeb the other has a greater than 0% chance.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 21, 2015 10:58 AM (ZvKdv)

111 98 I hope that Mr. Drew is right and thatthe damage, DonaldTrump does to our party, can be repaired. And it will indeed take a serious, seasoned and competent leaderto reassure the electorate that the Republican Party isnt on a one-way trip to Crazy Town. Jeb Bush is our return ticket!
Posted by: Begonia at July 21, 2015 10:55 AM (FGxvI)

Hon, you're not supposed to inject the bath salts, you're supposed to bathe in them.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 21, 2015 10:59 AM (RD7QR)

112 Jeb looks and talks like a DMV supervisor.

He knows the bureaucracy well, but doesn't give a shit about the people on the other side of the counter.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 21, 2015 10:59 AM (NjiZL)

113 Jeb's a punchline, plain and simple. Among the liberals, conservatives, moderates, and LIVs I routinely talk to, they all just chuckle at the thought of Jeb.

He's not "Inevitable" in any way.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 21, 2015 10:59 AM (VAsIq)

114
(Perry's) breaking with the pack by hitting Trump the hardest, first on Trump's language on Hispanics and now on McCain.

Which will only seal Perry's doom. How about a GOP candidate who acknowledges that Trump has a point, and quietly co-opts that issue with actual border control and immigration reduction?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 21, 2015 10:59 AM (GsebS)

115 Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 21, 2015 10:53 AM (GsebS)

Add the millions of people who have owned, used, or walked past an HP printer.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2015 10:59 AM (Zu3d9)

116 104 Enough with all this silly "Jeb" talk, Drew. Its ridiculous. No one will vote for him and hes sinking like a rock in Iowa, NH and even in South Carolina. If he doesn't win one of the first two he will be on life support for the third, and it wont be pretty.

Jeb could lose every state and still be the nominee. The Interests are behind him.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 21, 2015 10:59 AM (m9wUQ)

117 Jeb Bush is NOT inevitable, that is just what his courtiers are telling him, and what the LSM is saying. Actually I consider praise from the LSM to be a damning indictment of failure after McLame's nomination bids.

Firoina has a chance at veep if she has a good run, but that good run is looking remote right now, because of the crowded field. Then again, if she stays in through NH and does better than expected, more power to her!

Christie might win New England and Mid-Atlantic GOP votes, but flyover country hates him for the touchy-feely press conference with Obummer a week before the national election. Thanks for nothing, fatass.

Walker and Cruz are the guys with the best in-house GOP chance. However the LSM is gunning for them big time, especially Walker. Hope they are ready for it.

Ben Carson: Who?

Rand Paul: Yesterday's news, big time. Like his old man, he has some great domestic policy ideas which will be borrowed by his opponents, and some stupid foreign policy ideas with no basis in contemporary world politics. Munich 2: Iranian Boogaloo has just taken his neo-isolationist argument and shot it in the head.

Trump is the candidate most voters hear about in a fictional context but generally never see in real life. He is an independently wealthy man who owes no political favors and is beholden to no particular ideological platform. He likes the USA as it is/was and wants it to remain so. He speaks his mind and doesn't reflexively apologize for doing so, and calls politicians and reporters alike on BS.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 21, 2015 11:00 AM (ry4ab)

118

Shopping The Republican Candidates!

Wink Martindale should host this.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 21, 2015 11:00 AM (cNtqS)

119 Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 21, 2015 10:59 AM (GsebS)

Shut your whore mouth.

Posted by: Chamber of Commerce at July 21, 2015 11:00 AM (Zu3d9)

120 People wanted to get her on the stage instead of Trump but his rise has pushed him into the big leagues for now and left her and her pitch as the successful in business candidate in the dust.

Uh, about that...

Posted by: HP at July 21, 2015 11:00 AM (qkRol)

121 Well, there would be if it were spelled Morteamon.

(What?)

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You

Worst. Pokémon. Ever.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 21, 2015 11:00 AM (VAsIq)

122
I don't know, there's something about the noblesse oblige of it that makes me want to go find those adorable new manatee twins that were born down in FL and punch them.

OMG how did nobody tell me there were new manatee twins?!?!?

http://usat.ly/1HOgQFv

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2015 11:00 AM (JtwS4)

123 Well, there would be if it were spelled Morteamon.

(What?)
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 21, 2015 10:57 AM (RD7QR)

Sounds like a Pokemon.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2015 11:01 AM (2Ojst)

124 You nominate Jeb and I write in Jeff Sessions on the ballot. I WILL NOT vote for Jeb. Nominating him would be catastrophe for the GOP.

Posted by: Reggie 1971 at July 21, 2015 11:01 AM (c//Hw)

125 Some of these victim statements are incredible. It's too bad that nobody ever reports on this shit.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 11:01 AM (OGm46)

126 War. War never changes.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at July 21, 2015 11:01 AM (UPYPp)

127 How about some kind of national signing list of all of the conservatives who will sit out a Bush candidacy? If these fucks think I'm going to swallow hard and pull the lever for Jeb, they are sorely mistaken. They are using the same old playbook-- support the establishment's bought and paid for candidate because the Dems are much worse!
Won't do it, and I know dozens who fall the same way-- not to mention all of the morons who claim they will sit out a Bush run. Reince et al need to know we are fucking serious-- how do you convince these cloistered assholes?

Posted by: ALamo at July 21, 2015 11:01 AM (2XJxO)

128 Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 21, 2015 10:59 AM (GsebS

Cruz has done just that.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 21, 2015 11:02 AM (B7Uun)

129 So, looks like they did remake "Point Break":

http://tinyurl.com/Point-Break-Remake

Discuss.

Posted by: Sharkman at July 21, 2015 11:02 AM (72D6h)

130 This is more of an on the come bet.

Cut. Jib. Newsletter.

Posted by: The Odds of Me Doing That Thing in Your Mouth I Promised Not to Do at July 21, 2015 11:02 AM (87y4e)

131 Right now Trump is a thorn in the side of the Party who betrayed me. Go Trump!

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 21, 2015 10:34 AM

If it weren't such a pitiful mess, the current state of the Preezy race would be funny.

Trump merits the assertions made in '08 about Palin: "...living rent-free in their heads!" and, of course "they're afraid of [him]! ZOMG!11!!"

The only difference is that Trump is living rent-free and generating fear in Republicans' heads, including the High and Mighty Punditry.

I said it yesterday: I'm all for Trump now, and hope his popularity grows exponentially as the days go by, but really don't want to have to vote for him. In fact, if he can force the other candidates to a) grow a pair and b) take stands that are right for America and not right for their campaign manages/pollsters/fatcat donors he will do incalculable good.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 21, 2015 11:02 AM (rCmeG)

132 I think Romney was the last RINO squish that conservatives will ever hold their nose for again. We've had enough.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 11:02 AM (39g3+)

133 "In the end the biggest service Trump will do for Jeb is scare GOP
voters. After a summer and possibly fall (not sure Trump lasts that long
as a factor), the moderate majority of the GOP voters will have been
scared out of their minds by the kooks and their fevered 'find a
conservative' flirtations."
========
Oh fuck me.

Are we really so bad off that we have escaped to that alternate reality populated by President McCain and President Romney--swept to victory on the wings of the Great Moderate Republican Wave?

Point again has been missed:
It ain't crazy cuckoo bird, fire-breathing, far-right wingnuts that are supporting Trump.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 21, 2015 11:04 AM (ZvKdv)

134 i think people won't remember or hold trump accountable for much of anything specific he says, just that he came out swinging. this opens up the field to be less circumspect toward the pc platitudes. and that's a good thing (thank you martha stewart).

Posted by: steinmetz at July 21, 2015 11:04 AM (CrYC8)

135 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

OOoooooo, that's a purdy one.

Always thought they had nice aesthetics.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 21, 2015 11:04 AM (/Ho8c)

136 I find it hard to believe Jeb will be the nominee. I would have guessed Scott Walker.

On the other hand, I am often wrong.

Posted by: dude guy at July 21, 2015 11:04 AM (QCc6B)

137 OMG how did nobody tell me there were new manatee twins?!?!?

Meat's still nice and tender at that age.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2015 11:04 AM (2Ojst)

138 OT I think I found where a lot of those boating accident guns wound up.

Police in LA find 1200 guns and 2 tons of ammo in dead mans house.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/obytckx

Link to Yahoo news

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 21, 2015 11:04 AM (81UWZ)

139 Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 21, 2015 10:58 AM (mf5HN)

The problem with Jeb is that he generates a sneaking suspicion that he thinks he is smarter than us all.

I seem to recall another presidential candidate who gave that impression.

He won. I hate him.

[can you shoot me an e-mail? nynjmeet at optimum dot net ]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2015 11:04 AM (Zu3d9)

140 Trump is also on record as calling Romney's policies to mean and Preibus
also said Romney's harsh policies had no place in the Republican Party.

Combining Trump's belligerence + Romney's policies I can make the the world's first perfect Republican candidate -

*mad scientist laugh*

Mittald Trumpney!

Posted by: some random meathead at July 21, 2015 11:04 AM (cNtqS)

141 "I think Romney was the last RINO squish that conservatives will ever hold their nose for again. "

Your lips.....LIV GOP primary voters' ears.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 11:05 AM (LA7Cm)

142 I'm all for Trump now, and hope his popularity grows exponentially as the days go by, but really don't want to have to vote for him. In fact, if he can force the other candidates to a) grow a pair and b) take stands that are right for America and not right for their campaign manages/pollsters/fatcat donors he will do incalculable good.

This.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 21, 2015 11:05 AM (qkRol)

143 >>> If these fucks think I'm going to swallow hard and pull the lever for Jeb, they are sorely mistaken.

They're OK with that. As a nominee, they're not thinking of you. You are a hurdle, an obstruction. The most they expect from you - and they'll get it, too - is for you to vote solid R downtickets.

Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at July 21, 2015 11:06 AM (3ZtZW)

144 I prefer a candidate with experience as a Governor. Paul, Cruz, Rubio, Carson, Fiorina are VP candidates. Trump would never agree to be VP, so he flames out or goes Indy. The Bush brand is dead to me, but he wasn't bad as FL Governor. Perry was a male cheerleader. Christie is obese, which means he has no self discipline. Walker is a maybe, but I don't know enough about him. Jindal might work, since he's been dealing with backstabbing Dems in Loserana. He needs some testosterone and steroids to bulk up and project a more Alpha Male presence. Maybe he can hire Arnold Schwarzenegger as a consultant?

Posted by: scrood at July 21, 2015 11:06 AM (3b9U4)

145 Nothing has changed with me. Voting against my GOP Rep, by D if necessary. Not voting for Jeb! Will write in a third party candidate first.

Posted by: RandomPokerHands at July 21, 2015 11:06 AM (H8Bf9)

146 "That fucking Dayspring hire still burns me upThat fucking Dayspring hire still burns me up"

I'm fairly confident this isn't true, but... Keep you friends close and your enemies closer? Buying up all the worst dirt slinging mercenariesto keep them from working for the competition wouldn't be an entirely novel tactic, but might be effective. I'm more interested in what Walke does withhim now that he has him.

Posted by: f2000 at July 21, 2015 11:07 AM (5xwgn)

147 I find it hard to believe Jeb will be the nominee. I would have guessed Scott Walker.

Walker should be the GOP nominee, but won't. I think even a 4 year old autistic child would know better than to nominate Jeb Bush, but the GOPe is getting their marching orders from someone either stupid or self destructive.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 11:07 AM (39g3+)

148 I like Carly Fiorina but she has a really, really bad speech pattern.
She whistles her S's
If you're sitting there trying to figure out why she annoys you, why you want to get up and leave the room or why you feel the sudden urge to slice your wrists -- it's her whistling her S's
It's horrible. A lot of women do it but she's just terrible.
I'd rather go deaf than have to listen to her for 4 years

Posted by: Uncle Rick at July 21, 2015 11:07 AM (ZbB1q)

149 Jebbie floats above it all like a lard-filled pinata.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 21, 2015 11:07 AM (8ZskC)

150 "Reince et al need to know we are fucking serious-- how do you convince these cloistered assholes?"

They already believe you. They are convinced of your sincerity.

They just don't like you, share your views or, in the end, need you.

Posted by: Doomed at July 21, 2015 11:07 AM (bGLSw)

151
"don't know, there's something about the noblesse oblige of it that makes me want to go find those adorable new manatee twins that were born down in FL and punch them."

Manatees like that sort of thing.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 21, 2015 11:07 AM (jtStN)

152 Carly Fiorina is a loser who thinks being a woman entitles her to win elections.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 21, 2015 10:57 AM (m9wUQ)

Correctomundo.

And to double-digit millions for failing.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at July 21, 2015 11:07 AM (vgIRn)

153 114
(Perry's) breaking with the pack by hitting Trump the hardest, first on Trump's language on Hispanics and now on McCain.

Which will only seal Perry's doom. How about a GOP candidate who acknowledges that Trump has a point, and quietly co-opts that issue with actual border control and immigration reduction?

I think a big problem with the other candidates adopting Trumps message is that nobody would believe they would follow through if elected. We have been schooled by the GOP that election promises are worthless.
I feel that Trumps strongpoint is that if I were a democrat he would get my vote. So I think he has cross party appeal. That is why when his naysayers say he was a democrat it doesn't hurt him,

Posted by: Chilling the most at July 21, 2015 11:08 AM (zW5rQ)

154 America is truly getting the election it deserves this time around.

Posted by: shillelagh at July 21, 2015 11:08 AM (bqNKV)

155 Meat's still nice and tender at that age.

And saleable.

Posted by: Dr. Deb "Josef" Nucatola at July 21, 2015 11:09 AM (8ZskC)

156 67: "blah blah blah..slurp...blah blah blah."

Grab a napkin. You have some Romney juice on your chin...

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at July 21, 2015 11:09 AM (UPYPp)

157 Drew: "In the end The Donald will simply play his part in delivering to Jeb his birthright as a Bush...the GOP nomination. "

Deleted last sentence: And we, as establishment bloggers, will do our little part to help make sure that happens.

Posted by: doug at July 21, 2015 11:09 AM (IYEs/)

158 if you can't deal with Trump and what he says or does, then you are useless.

Boo hoo, Trump won't let me get my shitty ass on stage!

Bullshit.

Posted by: eman at July 21, 2015 11:09 AM (MQEz6)

159 152 Carly Fiorina is a loser who thinks being a woman entitles her to win elections.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 21, 2015 10:57 AM (m9wUQ)

All you do is bash candidates . I've never seen you once advocate a position for your chosen candidate.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 21, 2015 11:09 AM (B7Uun)

160 Jeb will be the party's pick, and they'll Thad Cochran him all the way.

And he'll face Her Thighness, and lose.

But even if he didn't, there would be no structural difference between them. He wouldn't roll back a single thing of the Obama Years, much less uproot the 50-60% of government necessary to get things sane again. The radicalism and statism of Obama will stay that will be the end of that.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 21, 2015 11:10 AM (oVJmc)

161 Jon Huntsman, where are you now that we need you?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 21, 2015 11:10 AM (8ZskC)

162 Oh the moderate majority.

The one that carried Romney and McCain to stunning victories and successful Presidencies.

The Cult of Dulsa Drewm.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 21, 2015 11:10 AM (cygkw)

163 Jebbie floats above it all like a lard-filled pinata.

Si.

Posted by: Senor Juan McCain at July 21, 2015 11:11 AM (Dwehj)

164 "But even if he didn't, there would be no structural difference between
them. He wouldn't roll back a single thing of the Obama Years, much less
uproot the 50-60% of government necessary to get things sane again. The
radicalism and statism of Obama will stay that will be the end of that."

Which is why some of us have already quit.

Posted by: Doomed at July 21, 2015 11:11 AM (bGLSw)

165 The problem with Jeb is that he generates a sneaking suspicion that he thinks he is smarter than us all.

I seem to recall another presidential candidate who gave that impression.

He won. I hate him.

[can you shoot me an e-mail? nynjmeet at optimum dot net ]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2015 11:04 AM (Zu3d9)

Hmmm, maybe that's what is causing the punchy punchy urge.

Also *BLAM*

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 21, 2015 11:11 AM (mf5HN)

166 1499 Jebbie floats above it all like a lard-filled pinata.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 21, 2015 11:07 AM (8ZskC)

I saw the Lard-filled Pinatas open for Los Lobos at the LA Coliseum in '83.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 21, 2015 11:11 AM (qkRol)

167 If Jeb is the nominee then the dems can win the WH for all I care. I stay home that day because it's not worth it to me to bother going to the polls.

Posted by: amanwithnoparty at July 21, 2015 11:11 AM (sbaXF)

168 All you do is bash candidates . I've never seen you once advocate a position for your chosen candidate.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 21, 2015 11:09 AM (B7Uun)

I don't have one, obviously. I advocate for a third party. All your candidates suck.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 21, 2015 11:11 AM (m9wUQ)

169 6+ months or so out from Iowa and New Hampshire and he's not leading in either state. So let's not even pretend this is about winning.

And THIS is why we don't have National Primary Day.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 21, 2015 11:11 AM (b65cm)

170 I haven't seen anything from Fiorina that suggests she expects special treatment for being a woman. In fact, she smacked down Andrea Mitchell for asking a question along those lines - if she agreed that the GOP is misogynist for not having her in the upcoming Fox debate.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2015 11:11 AM (NOIQH)

171 34
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 21, 2015 10:27 AM (evdj2)

Nah...it's not because you are Southern, it's your lousy taste in pistols.

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If Dirty Harry had been around in 1870 he would have touted the Le Mat in .42 as the most powerful handgun in the world.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 21, 2015 11:11 AM (ry4ab)

172 142: yes.

at this point no candidate is being seriously considered as president (except by professional political insiders, perhaps) and won't for another year. the parameters of the debate and campaigns are being set. that's all. in this, trump is healthy for republicans. so far.

Posted by: steinmetz at July 21, 2015 11:12 AM (CrYC8)

173 All the success here under Carly evaporated and was based on loaning huge sums of money to start ups to make sales, too.

Posted by: Lucent at July 21, 2015 11:12 AM (duHKQ)

174 Don't forget the Saracudda...she's lurking out there and ready to serve as VP for someone...or will she toss her name out there for POTUS as an Indy?

Posted by: scrood at July 21, 2015 11:12 AM (3b9U4)

175 the thing I can't work out is why the Republican Party isn't pushing Carly Fiorino harder.
osted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 10:54 AM (39g3+)

I submit a few reasons. She doesn't talk like an establishment republican -- too incisive, not mushy. She talks like a CEO. This is not a moral statement, just a stylistic observation. Party prefers those more adept at saying everything and nothing at the same time. 2. She's a woman. This still means something. Party is more comfortable with the boys. 3. Doesn't have national recognition and fundraising clout based on a political career or even position. She ran for Senator and lost.

I like her. I think her record at Hewlitt was good and she made some brave decisions based on the larger good of the company, as a CEO should. I think her public performances are as skilled as any candidate, and at times quite striking. Her attacks against Hillary have been withering.

My prediction is that she'll be the VP choice of Cruz, who I think will cross the line with the nomination in the end.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 21, 2015 11:12 AM (s/yC1)

176 Which will only seal Perry's doom. How about a GOP
candidate who acknowledges that Trump has a point, and quietly co-opts
that issue with actual border control and immigration reduction?
Posted by: Chilling the most at July 21, 2015 11:08 AM

Yup. Perry lost a lot of cred with me for jumping on the Let's-Diss-Trump! bandwagon, already heavily populated by the Conservative Keyboard Commandos. Their faux outrage doesn't resonate with me at all, and it's much worse when a man who should know better starts shooting off his yap.

The real winner in all this is McCain: In the eyes of the Republican Faithful, he has gone from Worthless Fuckwit to Martyr For The Cause.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 21, 2015 11:13 AM (rCmeG)

177 I don't have one, obviously. I advocate for a third party. All your candidates suck.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk

*ears perk up*

Posted by: Pander Bear Party Candidate at July 21, 2015 11:13 AM (VAsIq)

178 The thing is, for all the faults of the GOP candidates, for all their drawbacks and the things that frustrate us?

They look like a field of bacon-bearing wheat stalks made of gold boullion compared to the Democrats. The GOP has strong, diverse, interesting, young, and proven candidates with experience and actual accomplishments. Lots of them.

The Democrats? If that's the caliber of what the GOP had to put out there, the party leadership would be jumping out of windows.

A stroke-damaged hateful hag with more baggage than an overloaded Amtrak, an old white socialist his own party mocks, and a crazed old man fixated on trains. That's their field.

And America is so screwed up and so worthless as a culture, one of them is going to win.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 11:13 AM (39g3+)

179 Every June, five black-robed tyrants amend the Constitution

The next candidate I vote for will be the one who says the Gang of Five don't have a monopoly on amending the Constitution and has a plan for fixing that.

Party affiliation, sex, race, or how the prefer to fornicate makes no difference. Until that candidate comes along, I am sitting out.

Posted by: Teady at July 21, 2015 11:13 AM (nPLSO)

180 >> I think a big problem with the other candidates adopting Trumps message is that nobody would believe they would follow through if elected.

And the bigger problem is that many conservatives have come to believe that the Republicans are just the Democrat JV Team.

Posted by: V the K at July 21, 2015 11:13 AM (O7MnT)

181 The MSM is trying so hard to bring down Trump, they make Trumpnado the lead story in every news cast. All the Donald has to do is say....."Oh please don't throw me in the briar patch!"

Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at July 21, 2015 11:13 AM (uJK1E)

182 And we, as establishment bloggers

Welcome, stranger.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 21, 2015 11:13 AM (evdj2)

183 Fuck the GOP, with or without Trump.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 21, 2015 11:13 AM (YFw5T)

184 >>So, looks like they did remake "Point Break":
Discuss.

No Keanu and Swayze? Pffftttt!

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2015 11:14 AM (NOIQH)

185 Don't forget the Saracudda

And so it begins...

Posted by: That guy who always says... at July 21, 2015 11:14 AM (Dwehj)

186 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 21, 2015 11:11 AM (m9wUQ)

You've never had one since 2008. And who is this third party white knight you're pushing for? If you are advocating for a third party you must have someone in mind you want to lead it.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 21, 2015 11:14 AM (B7Uun)

187 Ah yes . The old " 4 million stayed home and that's why Mitt lost" trope.

Repeating for the record: Mitt got MORE votes from conservative voters in 2012 than McCain did in 2008.

They really should post this urban legend on Wikipedia or Snopes or something.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 21, 2015 11:14 AM (cNtqS)

188 They look like a field of bacon-bearing wheat stalks made of gold boullion compared to the Democrats.

Democrats have won every major issue except guns. None of these guys will reverse any of that. They won't even voice a plan to do so.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 21, 2015 11:15 AM (m9wUQ)

189 88 Jackstraw:

"We need to begin a process of registering those people, some being returned, and some beginning the process of applying for citizenship and establishing legal status"...Mitt Romney

Pretty sad when your Romneycare hero, in your eyes, is considered the most conservative position on immigration.

Let's see, let's hand out American Citizenship to illegal immigrants, like candy, that's conservative.

Posted by: doug at July 21, 2015 11:15 AM (IYEs/)

190 The problem with Jeb is that he generates a sneaking suspicion that he thinks he is smarter than us all.

Why would he think that?

He majored in Latin American Studies.

Studies. He majored in a "studies".

Inanimate objects can get a degree in Latin American Studies.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 21, 2015 11:16 AM (b65cm)

191 Don't forget the Saracudda...she's lurking out there and ready to serve as VP for someone...or will she toss her name out there for POTUS as an Indy?

No. As a viable candidate, Palin is well past her sell-by date, and she's smart enough to know this.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 21, 2015 11:16 AM (qkRol)

192 Posted by: f2000 at July 21, 2015 11:07 AM (5xwgn)

FWIW- Walker didn't hire Dayspring directly. He's working for the Walker Super PAC.

Kind of a distinction without a difference but there it is.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2015 11:16 AM (W63ne)

193 The GOP has strong, diverse, interesting, young, and proven candidates
with experience and actual accomplishments. Lots of them.

With a Party Machine that will keep them safely out of the running.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 21, 2015 11:16 AM (oVJmc)

194 All the Donald has to do is say....."Oh please don't throw me in the briar patch!"

* * *

They'll say that's racist.

Posted by: Doomed at July 21, 2015 11:16 AM (bGLSw)

195 "...while holding liberal positions..." No. Stop calling these people liberals or referring to anything they do as liberal. These are not "liberal" positions. They are leftist positions. These people would not know the definition of liberal or liberalism even if it walked up and bit them on their collectivist asses.

Posted by: halodoc at July 21, 2015 11:16 AM (yq/WS)

196 >>>> I think a big problem with the other candidates adopting Trumps message is that nobody would believe they would follow through if elected.

While the other candidates have been fairly timid, the MSM is almost totally ignoring them when they do come out strong on an issue, such as Perry calling for legislation to pull immigration grant money from sanctuary cities, or Cruz and Rand Paul calling for ending/curtailing immigration from Muslim countries.

S0 the MSM is not only going overboard to demonize Trump, but ignore any signs of boldness from other candidates.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2015 11:16 AM (NOIQH)

197 Yup. Perry lost a lot of cred with me for jumping on the Let's-Diss-Trump! bandwagon, already heavily populated by the Conservative Keyboard Commandos.

Perry has a real tone-deafness if his aim is to attract the conservative (former GOP) base. This is his most consistent trait as a candidate. While I'm not a fan of Trump, I don't appreciate attacks from the supposed Right on the only person who's making a passionate case about issues I care about.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 21, 2015 11:17 AM (8ZskC)

198 I'm thinking of writing in D-Lamp. Although I find his drug enforcement plan a bit draconian, his media reform platform is quite attractive.

Posted by: RandomPokerHands at July 21, 2015 11:18 AM (H8Bf9)

199 There is so much wrong with this piece I don't know where to start! Also, please spare me the definitives, it doesn't smarten things up.

You gotta love the defeatism. Wow. If you can't figure how to exploit this massive opening that Trump has created then you deserve Jeb as a candidate. Whatever Trumps motivations are, it does not change the fact that he has exposed a vast pool of voters that are thirsting for something different.

As things worsen on the economic, foreign policy, social fronts this thirst will not be sated by a Jeb. No way, no how. Am I the only one who recalls several major drubbings at the hands of the silent majority (yeah, we're still here) that left jaws on scraping floors in news rooms around the country?

This piece is a thought crime! Ha! I have read a version of this article leading up to almost every modern election.

Can anyone tell me the last Democrat landslide election? It seems to me that delivery of landslides is almost exclusively a feature of the right. However, in the lead up to almost every modern day thrashing the path is littered with thought pieces like this one.

Yawn!

Posted by: Miss Bossy at July 21, 2015 11:18 AM (b9164)

200 185 Don't forget the Saracudda

And so it begins...

Posted by: That guy who always says... at July 21, 2015 11:14 AM (Dwehj)

She probably could have swung the Flynn race in Illinois, but the writers who were advising him didn't think it was a good idea.

A smart presidential candidate will look for her support early.

Posted by: jwest at July 21, 2015 11:18 AM (P/xrJ)

201 "I'd like to go a day or two without Trump News."

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Rino or Democrat no difference.
Either doesn't care or speak what voters are thinking or wanting. Both bought off by big money.

Trump is big money. It would take Rothschild himself to write a big enough check to get Trump's interest. While I still would not vote for anyone I am laughing and laughing.
Trump news is everywhere. He doesn't have to pay for it every body else. Democrats hate him, Rinos hate him. For that reason alone I like him.
Don't know where he is going although I like the F.U. to the political establishment.

Posted by: OTB at July 21, 2015 11:18 AM (ShdUd)

202 And who is this third party white knight you're pushing for?

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*furiously fapping*

Posted by: Pander Bear Party Candidate at July 21, 2015 11:19 AM (VAsIq)

203 They really should post this urban legend on Wikipedia or Snopes or something.

The other big one is the "evangelicals didn't vote for Trump" lie. I guess its more comforting than facing the facts. Romney lost because he failed to get past the margin of fraud. That's a scary thing to face and some people just don't want to believe we live in a country like that.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 11:19 AM (39g3+)

204 Jeb is not going to be the nominee. All that support for Trump? A lot of it is name recognition, but some of it is about his willingness to be politically incorrect and ignore the complaints. Just move forward.

I am using Trump as a determiner for who I really want as my nominee. When Trump brought up the immigration debacle, he was speaking bluntly, but a lot of us were thinking pretty much the same thing. Glad someone with a national stage finally said it and didn't back down. I used that moment to see what other candidates agreed with Trump's position.

All I ended up with at the time were:
1) Cruz
2) Fiorina
3) Carson
4) Jindal

Walker came into the race after that moment, so I set aside judgment for now. The rest of the candidates will not even be considered by me. I am sure I'm not the only one who listens to Trump, watches what the other candidates do and start scratching off names.

If Trump keeps this up (saying politically incorrect things), support will begin to shift to those who aren't Trump-nutty, but have the same views with more finesse and thought. Even his comment about McCain worked for me b/c we all know McCain has made a whole career out his captivity while pretending to be conservative. Yes, he's a hero for what he went through for our country. But I don't owe him a lifetime of government employment in the Senate for that.

Posted by: KG at July 21, 2015 11:19 AM (F8s9H)

205
I think her record at Hewlitt was good
Posted by: rrpjr

Which is why she was fired. And:

The company's stock jumped on news of her departure, adding almost three billion dollars to the value of HP in a single day.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 21, 2015 11:19 AM (kdS6q)

206 They look like a field of bacon-bearing wheat stalks made of gold boullion compared to the Democrats.

More like, the GOP candidates look like $20 hookers, and the Democrats look like $5 hookers.

Posted by: V the K at July 21, 2015 11:19 AM (O7MnT)

207 You've never had one since 2008. And who is this third party white knight you're pushing for? If you are advocating for a third party you must have someone in mind you want to lead it.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 21, 2015 11:14 AM (B7Uun)

Been watching me since 2008? You'd know that wasn't true.

I liked Cruz until he f*cked up with TPP, and I had a moment of clarity: anybody who says, "aye" to Mitch McConnell as Senate leader isn't my friend. That goes for Rand, too. None of these guys fight. They are worthless.

The GOP is a sick animal which needs to die. Anything which hastens its end is preferable.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 21, 2015 11:19 AM (m9wUQ)

208 Again. Given that Trump is just a showman, the probability that he will follow through on his words is low, say 5%. But at least he is *saying* the right things. If you can't even say the right things, your chance of doing the right things is 0%.

And of course that only applies to conservatives. Dems realized that Obama would support gay marriage, even when he opposed it, because they have no integrity and recognized that Obama was a shit weasel akin to them.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at July 21, 2015 11:19 AM (E5UB0)

209 It was less than 8 years ago that Hillary Clinton was inevitable and every other candidate was a vanity run as declared far and wide by every election expert and pundit with a microphone, video camera or computer.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 21, 2015 11:20 AM (ZvKdv)

210 the Huntress is backing Trump, for now, and Perry has signed up Dr, Evil, Schmidt, the slimey beady eyed backstabber, as well as Austin Barbour from Mississippi,

Posted by: admiral marcus at July 21, 2015 11:20 AM (0u/CC)

211 199 There is so much wrong with this piece I don't know where to start!

Is this the first Drew article you've every read?

Posted by: jwest at July 21, 2015 11:20 AM (P/xrJ)

212 A stroke-damaged hateful hag with more baggage than an overloaded
Amtrak, an old white socialist his own party mocks, and a crazed old man
fixated on trains. That's their field.

The first Republican candidate to say this on camera wins my vote.

Posted by: some random meathead at July 21, 2015 11:20 AM (cNtqS)

213 205
I think her record at Hewlitt was good
Posted by: rrpjr

Which is why she was fired. And:

The company's stock jumped on news of her departure, adding almost three billion dollars to the value of HP in a single day.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 21, 2015 11:19 AM (kdS6q)

She fucked HP with the Compaq merger, which the progeny of Messrs. Hewlett and Packard both told her was a terrible idea and fought tooth and nail against. People lost jobs, stock value dropped and earnings went down. And she got a golden parachute for her, ah, success.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2015 11:21 AM (2Ojst)

214
Credit where credit is due, though.

Drewm used "affected" instead of "effected." That's some tricky shit, there.

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 21, 2015 11:21 AM (dc0Am)

215 I hate to post & go, but I have doctor appointment at 1:30.
Boston radio station, I'm not sure if it's WRKO or new station 1430 that carries Rush, Beck, Hannity all live, but one keeps playing Christie ads!

It's am 1430. I have Beck on & there is ad playing as I type this.

If it's Jeb vs Mrs. Clinton it's over!

Posted by: Carol at July 21, 2015 11:22 AM (sj3Ax)

216 >>Pretty sad when your Romneycare hero, in your eyes, is considered the most conservative position on immigration.

>>Let's see, let's hand out American Citizenship to illegal immigrants, like candy, that's conservative.

Pretty sad when some of you continue to cherry pick comments and pretend they mean something they don't to fit your narrative.

Romney did not ever say just hand out American Citizenship to illegals, he said they needed to return to their how country and get in line like everyone else, no special pathway. He was hammered not just by the msm but by candidates like Perry and Gingrich for being to mean. And yet some of you persist in saying he was pro-illegal.

I was never a fan of Romneycare but I sure as hell liked it better than the single payer plan the veto proof MA legislature was pushing as the alternative. In MA, it didn't affect me one iota and didn't affect just about anyone else since over 95% of us already had insurance. By your logic, I guess we can right off Perry since he favored giving in-state tuitions for illegals, right?

If you want to keep pretending Romney is the devil and guys like Donald Trump are heroes after his kamikaze birther shit in 2012 because he said one good thing this cycle have at it. I'll just wait until he goes off the reservation and conservatives start howling for his thinning scalp.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 11:22 AM (OGm46)

217 Democrats have won every major issue except gun

..and taxes. Americans like low taxes. You can usually get a tax cut passed.

Also, abortion. But you might not notice this, because it's happening in slow motion. Slowly, incrementally, abortion clinics are closing and not being replaced, and states are passing laws restricting late-term abortions that aren't getting overturned.

But you're mostly correct.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 21, 2015 11:22 AM (qkRol)

218
84 If Jeb is the nominee, I will no longer waste my time. I will not only not volunteer, after much thought and deliberation, I have decided to vote for his opponent. Let the Democrat party own a dissipated, collapsed America.

Go vote for the American Independent / US Taxpayers / Constitution / "can't agree on a name" Party candidate then. NEVER vote Commiecrat. NEVER.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 21, 2015 11:23 AM (GsebS)

219 Notice how there isn't any polling on Trump's "support" among Democrats. Especially among the few white ones that are left?

THAT is a poll that would be really relevant to the 2016 election. (And scare the shit out of Hillary to boot )

Posted by: Teady at July 21, 2015 11:23 AM (nPLSO)

220 The GOP is a sick animal which needs to die. Anything which hastens its end is preferable.

True, but then so is the Democratic Party. They're both in stage 8 cancer so bad they look like they're growing mushrooms. And the nation is suffering every day from it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 11:23 AM (39g3+)

221 209
It was less than 8 years ago that Hillary Clinton was inevitable and
every other candidate was a vanity run as declared far and wide by every
election expert and pundit with a microphone, video camera or computer.

* * *

Yes. Then the Powers That Be proved all that to be badly mistaken.

Those same Powers are still at work.

Posted by: Doomed at July 21, 2015 11:23 AM (bGLSw)

222 Dems realized that Obama would support gay marriage, even when he
opposed it, because they have no integrity and recognized that Obama was
a shit weasel akin to them.

Republicans tell you all the things they will do that they won't, and Democrats tell youj all the things they won't do that they will.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 21, 2015 11:23 AM (oVJmc)

223 88 Jackstraw,

You do realize it is because of Romney's liberal changing position on immigration that the goalposts for the GOPe has changed?

That's right, it's no longer, deport the illegals.
It is no longer, let's at most make the ones here legal.
It is now the political class of both parties trying to figure out how to not only make most of the legal, a few bad ones deported, but ALSO tripping over themselves trying to figure out how to give them citizenship.

Posted by: doug at July 21, 2015 11:24 AM (IYEs/)

224 I don't get too worked up about GOP candidate-erama's at this point in the process. These folks are just jockeying for position in the run-up phase.

When the flag drops in Iowa, NH and SC, then something real starts happening. At this point all we know is that the GOPe is praying $100 million will keep the wacko-birds away from endangering their sinecures. Too bad for them though, since raising money has so far proven simple for every single candidate in the race, excepting Paul, Kasich and Huckster.

Bush already lost his greatest advantage, in other words. Its gone.

Much more interesting at this point to watch the candidates try to attract actual voting support.

Posted by: MTF at July 21, 2015 11:24 AM (DkJ4E)

225 Bush or Clinton. Big money, Big PAC's no one can can compete with their fund-raising. Same donors for each. If only their was some one who did not have to bend over and spread them to get money to fund a campaign.

Laughing again. Who needs money when you can get free publicity. When that runs dry open the check book. Anybody know a candidate with disposable income?

Posted by: OTB at July 21, 2015 11:24 AM (ShdUd)

226 Cruz has done just that. Posted by: Cruzinator at July 21, 2015 11:02 AM (B7Uun)
Yes he has! Cruz is my guy so far. ANY Hispandering fool who criticizes Trump on that issue is dead to me.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 21, 2015 11:24 AM (GsebS)

227 220 The GOP is a sick animal which needs to die. Anything which hastens its end is preferable.

True, but then so is the Democratic Party. They're both in stage 8 cancer so bad they look like they're growing mushrooms. And the nation is suffering every day from it.

They are the same animal. The GOP is a fake opposition.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 21, 2015 11:24 AM (m9wUQ)

228 Best cat vid in a while.

http://cheezburger.com/8519500544

Posted by: exdem13 at July 21, 2015 11:25 AM (ry4ab)

229 >>You do realize it is because of Romney's liberal changing position on immigration that the goalposts for the GOPe has changed?

He did not change his position. Prove me wrong.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 11:25 AM (OGm46)

230 Does anyone remember Ace post after 2012 election? Question asked Conservative Bloggers who they DID NOT want as GOP in 2008, 2012 & 2016. McCain was on last & nominee, Romney & Ryan last in 2012, Jeb & Christie last for 2016!!

Posted by: Carol at July 21, 2015 11:25 AM (sj3Ax)

231 217. Democratic judges have won every issue except....

FIFY

Posted by: Teady at July 21, 2015 11:25 AM (nPLSO)

232 Romney did not ever say just hand out American Citizenship to illegals, he said they needed to return to their how country and get in line like everyone else, no special pathway.

Yeah, and he also said that people who've been here a long time should get citizenship. And he also said that illegal immigration is a blight on the country that should be deported. Basically he said whatever the crowd in front of him wanted to hear, and always has.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 11:26 AM (39g3+)

233 True, but then so is the Democratic Party. They're
both in stage 8 cancer so bad they look like they're growing mushrooms.
And the nation is suffering every day from it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 11:23 AM

In a pathetic and probably justifiably futile attempt to salvage some honor for the Republicans, it should be noted that the Democrats have been in this condition far longer.

Republicans have produced good Preezys. Reagan, for one, and pretty much Ike.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 21, 2015 11:27 AM (rCmeG)

234 >>Yeah, and he also said that people who've been here a long time should get citizenship.

No, that was Gingrich. DrewM's guy.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 11:27 AM (OGm46)

235 Go vote for the American Independent / US Taxpayers / Constitution / "can't agree on a name" Party candidate then. NEVER vote Commiecrat. NEVER.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 21, 2015 11:23 AM (GsebS)
Yeah, I probably won't be physically able to pull the lever for a Democrat when it comes down to it.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at July 21, 2015 11:27 AM (02oLK)

236 231 217. Democratic judges have won every issue except....

*giggle*

Posted by: John Roberts at July 21, 2015 11:27 AM (m9wUQ)

237 Shut your whore mouth.
Posted by: Chamber of Commerce at July 21, 2015 11:00 AM (Zu3d9)

Heh,. That sums it up. The GOPestab donor class *deserves* to lose.So who is the American Independent / Constitution / US Taxpayers candidate in 2016?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 21, 2015 11:28 AM (GsebS)

238 Not sure why folks aren't discussing the fact that Trump is a genuine candidate. Seriously why would he work for Bush or Clinton to be president when he is a billionaire. He has whatever material thing he wants. Membership in a very exclusive club called Presidents of the United States though that's a very attractive thing for someone who has everything. I think his campaign is real, and I think the elites on both sides know it. He is mobilizing some democrat voting blocks as well. Thus terrifying every elite wanna be powerbroker on both sides.
He is a shrewd marketer, and someone who has maintained links with the common man and dare I say as a businessman myself, possesses something nearly nonexistent in the political class..... Competence. Cruz to his very great credit sees this.
They laughed at Reagan, then they called him Mr. president, all be it they did saddle him with Bush the first. Lol it will be interesting to watch the elites try to saddle bronco Trump with anything.

Posted by: Old Guy at July 21, 2015 11:28 AM (oXkj8)

239 Slowly, incrementally, abortion clinics are closing and not being replaced, and states are passing laws restricting late-term abortions that aren't getting overturned.

Walker just signed a 20 week abortion ban in WI.

Posted by: GMan at July 21, 2015 11:29 AM (sxq57)

240 239 Slowly, incrementally, abortion clinics are closing and not being replaced, and states are passing laws restricting late-term abortions that aren't getting overturned.

Walker just signed a 20 week abortion ban in WI.
Posted by: GMan at July 21, 2015 11:29 AM (sxq57)

Both good things, I'll concede.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 21, 2015 11:30 AM (m9wUQ)

241 209
It was less than 8 years ago that Hillary Clinton was inevitable and
every other candidate was a vanity run as declared far and wide by every
election expert and pundit with a microphone, video camera or computer.
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Truth!! And the Hildabeast still has not forgotten or forgiven The Obamessiah for taking away her crown.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 21, 2015 11:30 AM (ry4ab)

242 It was less than 8 years ago that Hillary Clinton was inevitable and every other candidate was a vanity run as declared far and wide by every election expert and pundit with a microphone, video camera or computer.

Yeah but in the background was this charismatic guy the Democrats hoped and the GOP feared would run. He ain't out there this time. There's nobody to come from behind out of nowhere. Its Hillary, or if some medical emergency, Warren. Period.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 11:30 AM (39g3+)

243
Walker just signed a 20 week abortion ban in WI.

He took our jerbs!

Posted by: PP Organ Merchants at July 21, 2015 11:31 AM (oVJmc)

244 O/T

... But does anybody else find it odd that Honda uses that family singing an old Weezer tune in that TV ad?

Posted by: fixerupper at July 21, 2015 11:31 AM (cygkw)

245 They laughed at Reagan, then they called him Mr.
president, all be it they did saddle him with Bush the first. Lol it
will be interesting to watch the elites try to saddle bronco Trump with
anything.

Posted by: Old Guy at July 21, 2015 11:28 AM

Trump obviously doesn't believe in Reagan's "11th Commandment."

I kinda admire him for that.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 21, 2015 11:31 AM (rCmeG)

246 >>Walker just signed a 20 week abortion ban in WI.

And quietly, he is building a big lead in Iowa. He's the best of the bunch for me so far.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 11:31 AM (OGm46)

247 Taking Trump and Forina off the table being they both were not in politics, when you say :

A man with a history of not supporting Republicans while holding liberal positions on things like immigration and big government health care schemes.

That line just pinpointed every single R candidate running with the exception of "maybe" Walker and Cruz.

Posted by: Drider at July 21, 2015 11:31 AM (DNFK1)

248 Romney could have vetoed RomneyCare.

The fact it would have been overturned is irrelevant.

Posted by: eman at July 21, 2015 11:33 AM (MQEz6)

249 238
Not sure why folks aren't discussing the fact that Trump is a genuine
candidate. Seriously why would he work for Bush or Clinton to be
president when he is a billionaire. He has whatever material thing he
wants. Membership in a very exclusive club called Presidents of the
United States though that's a very attractive thing for someone who has
everything. I think his campaign is real, and I think the elites on both
sides know it. He is mobilizing some democrat voting blocks as well.
Thus terrifying every elite wanna be powerbroker on both sides.

He is a shrewd marketer, and someone who has maintained links with
the common man and dare I say as a businessman myself, possesses
something nearly nonexistent in the political class..... Competence.
Cruz to his very great credit sees this.
-----------------
That is a better analysis than Drew did.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 21, 2015 11:33 AM (ry4ab)

250 That line just pinpointed every single R candidate running with the exception of "maybe" Walker and Cruz.

Posted by: Drider at July 21, 2015 11:31 AM

And Cruz totally stepped on his unit by supporting ChoomTrade and the Iranian nuke giveaway.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 21, 2015 11:33 AM (rCmeG)

251 Anyone, ANYONE who is anti Rino or Democrat should be voted for. If anyone thinks their vote still counts should vote for any non-Rino or non-Democrat choice. Need to put a sabot in the system where ever it can be done. Shutting down this Government would be the best thing since VJ day.

Posted by: OTB at July 21, 2015 11:34 AM (ShdUd)

252 #191

No. As a viable candidate, Palin is well past her sell-by date, and she's smart enough to know this.
==========

If she wants the job, Sarah Palin will be the GOP 2016 presidential nominee.

Posted by: mrp at July 21, 2015 11:34 AM (JBggj)

253 If you polled non-Republicans about Trump you'd get huge numbers. You know why I say this? because that's how they got this poll to show these numbers. They only asked 210 actual Republican voters out of over 1000 people polled.

You get that? Less than 20% of the polled voters were Republicans. You know why they are so pro-Trump? Let's just say it isn't because they think he can win.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 11:34 AM (39g3+)

254
Romney did not ever say just hand out American Citizenship to illegals, he said they needed to return to their how country and get in line like everyone else, no special pathway.
Posted by: JackStraw

And then, when it has been pointed out repeatedly that Romney has swiveled yet again apres election and is back to favoring amnesty, you waved you hands and demanded cites, which were given, then you got all quiet like.

But here again:

http://tinyurl.com/lhqz4q6

BTW - last time you were also given links to transcripts to avoid any selective editing claims. Hope you bookmarked them.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 21, 2015 11:34 AM (kdS6q)

255 [Palin] probably could have swung the Flynn race in Illinois, but the writers who were advising him didn't think it was a good idea.

Flynn lost by 40 points. Don't think Palin could've bridged that gap.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 21, 2015 11:34 AM (qkRol)

256 He is a shrewd marketer, and someone who has maintained links with the common man and dare I say as a businessman myself, possesses something nearly nonexistent in the political class..... Competence. Cruz to his very great credit sees this.
They laughed at Reagan, then they called him Mr. president, all be it they did saddle him with Bush the first. Lol it will be interesting to watch the elites try to saddle bronco Trump with anything.
Posted by: Old Guy at July 21, 2015 11:28 AM (oXkj

I feel that Trump wants to return the US to some kind of world competence economically. Reducing corporate taxation, removing regulations, etc. and striking better trade deals. That's his wheelhouse.
And as you said, all of this is appealing not only to conservatives, but to the Reagan Democrats. I live amongst them in my area and a lot of them are enthused about Trump.

Our economy is teetering on a cliff again, despite all the fluff coming out of the gov. regarding job growth, etc. We have been stagnant for years now, and the labor market has shrunk as we all know. This and immigration are the two lynchpins that are going to destroy this country fully and right now, Trump and possibly Cruz are the only candidates that are even talking seriously about it.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 21, 2015 11:34 AM (WV80V)

257 244
O/T

... But does anybody else find it odd that Honda uses that family singing an old Weezer tune in that TV ad?
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Weezer fans are parents these days, and their parents drove Hondas like as not. You go to the market you need to sell the car.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 21, 2015 11:35 AM (ry4ab)

258 Hillary is a Democrat-Democrat and Jeb is a Republcan-Democrat.

Hillary gets you to DOOM at Warp 9 and Jeb gets you there at Warp 2.

You still get there.

Posted by: eman at July 21, 2015 11:35 AM (MQEz6)

259 >>A stroke-damaged hateful hag with more baggage than an overloaded
Amtrak, an old white socialist his own party mocks, and a crazed old man
fixated on trains. That's their field.

Don't forget O'Malley!

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2015 11:36 AM (NOIQH)

260 Trump has taken the "immigration debate" in exactly the wrong direction.

If we focus on criminality (yes that is bad) then the debate becomes how to "fix" the system so that we deport or jail bad guys, while keeping open the floodgates of a nation-destroying rate of "legal" immigration open (essentially no numerical restrictions plus anchor babies, ad nauseum)

Culturally, as well as politically, America becomes more Third World. We will have an America permanently inclined to Socialism, indifferent to the Anglo-American (once upon a time) traditions of individual liberty and free enterprise. We become increasingly acculturated to State driven speech codes, benevolent strong men rulers, more accepting of cronyism as the natural state of political affairs.

So apres Trump we may agree to keep the criminals out, and lose a nation.

Posted by: Becoming Expat NYC Parent at July 21, 2015 11:37 AM (k8tEg)

261 I will support the Republican candidate who, upon being confronted by an illegal immigrant who is also an immigration "activist" turns to the assembled reporters, sighs, and says, "Ya ever notice how there's never a cop around when you need one? That'll change in my administration."

Posted by: Teady at July 21, 2015 11:37 AM (nPLSO)

262 Laurie David's Cervix at July 21, 2015 11:34 AM (kdS6q)

Why don't you try actually reading the article you linked instead of the headline and show me where Romney said anything about amnesty. This is the same "analysis" that Drew does, I don't like Romney so I will cherry pick quotes and twist them into what I want them to say.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 11:37 AM (OGm46)

263 Aye, yay yay yay yay yay! ARRIBA!!!

Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at July 21, 2015 11:37 AM (8ZskC)

264 Palin. I think she knows the fix is in. Easier to have a voice and cash in then to fight a loosing battle. She has a right to make that choice and it may be the best one for her and her family. While we can thank her for her service life goes on and lets back someone who fights.

Posted by: OTB at July 21, 2015 11:38 AM (ShdUd)

265
... But does anybody else find it odd that Honda uses that family singing an old Weezer tune in that TV ad?

There's a Toyota ad on with three old biddies and a beleaguered salesman named Terry. More than once a biddie yells "Terry, stop!"

And I keep finding it odd that they're selling cars with Terry Stop.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2015 11:39 AM (JtwS4)

266 Weezer fans are Grandparents these days. I remember when they did that cameo at Als on Happy Days.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 21, 2015 11:39 AM (1eYr7)

267 I'm agreeing with 27, 133, 162. I will add that when the moderate majority (aka people who make their living sucking the public purse) see Hill and Jeb in trouble they will jump to Walker. They won't support Trump because they can't be sure he won't do them for fun since he doesn't need their money and support.

Posted by: theTruth at July 21, 2015 11:39 AM (j2xmV)

268 "...he has gone from Worthless Fuckwit to Martyr For The Cause."

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 21, 2015 11:13 AM (rCmeG)

I haven't seen quite as much of a defense of McCain as I expected. There is clearly a significant minority that hates him so much they are secretly chortling about the criticism.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2015 11:39 AM (Zu3d9)

269 Re: Walker's 20 week abortion ban - Can someone explain to me why this is so outrageous? It's not like if you're a victim of rape/incest you can't get an abortion earlier.

In light of the PP videos, I think the only reason they hate these laws is that they kill their very profitable organ-selling scheme.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2015 11:40 AM (NOIQH)

270 If she wants the job, Sarah Palin will be the GOP 2016 presidential nominee.

I seriously doubt this. If she steps back in, she'll be cut down and abandoned by her own party. Which, come to think of it, is what happened to her in 2008.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 21, 2015 11:40 AM (qkRol)

271 I pretty much agree with all of this, Drew. Including Jeb's inevitable nomination.

When that happens, I want him to lose. I want this God-forsaken party to lose.

That is all.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2015 11:41 AM (JmfEX)

272 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2015 11:39 AM (Zu3d9)

With Benedict Arnold, the joke was to 'bury his leg with full military honors and hang the rest of him.'

More or less sums up my feelings on McCain; I appreciate his prior service and bravery, but man is he an ass.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 21, 2015 11:42 AM (m9wUQ)

273 People who say "let it burn" have never lived in a country that is burning.

Be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: TB at July 21, 2015 11:42 AM (8u/5i)

274
Why don't you try actually reading the article you linked instead of the headline and show me where Romney said anything about amnesty. This is the same "analysis" that Drew does, I don't like Romney so I will cherry pick quotes and twist them into what I want them to say.

Posted by: JackStraw

And that's what you said last time. And that's why you were given links to the transcripts. Then, you didn't say much at all.

Do a CTRL-B and see if you saved them.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 21, 2015 11:42 AM (kdS6q)

275 We need a Refighting Romney thread, apparently

Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger at July 21, 2015 11:42 AM (2pP51)

276 A stroke-damaged hateful hag with more baggage than an overloaded Amtrak, an old white socialist his own party mocks, and a crazed old man fixated on trains. That's their field.

Don't forget O'Malley!

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2015 11:36 AM (NOIQH)

MFM: Look at how diverse they are!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2015 11:43 AM (493sH)

277 Posted by: Becoming Expat NYC Parent at July 21, 2015 11:37 AM (k8tEg)

This is exactly, 100% correct!

The media have changed what trump is saying into a general attack on all immigrants...illegal, criminal, legal, etc.

All Trump said was that we should keep the criminals out. He said nothing about closing the floodgates of "otherwise law-abiding" illegals.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2015 11:43 AM (Zu3d9)

278 LiFB

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 21, 2015 11:43 AM (evdj2)

279 >>... But does anybody else find it odd that Honda uses that family singing an old Weezer tune in that TV ad?

Yes, especially that Weezer song. I used to play "Islands in the Sun" for my son - it was a favorite happy song.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2015 11:43 AM (NOIQH)

280 >>And that's what you said last time. And that's why you were given links to the transcripts. Then, you didn't say much at all.

I'm not doing your work for you. Show me where he said he favors amnesty as you claim.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 11:43 AM (OGm46)

281 "More or less sums up my feelings on McCain; I appreciate his prior service and bravery, but man is he an ass."

------------------------------------------------------------
Said to say that will get him the gay vote.

Posted by: OTB at July 21, 2015 11:43 AM (ShdUd)

282 he said they needed to return to their how country and get in line like everyone else, no special pathway.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 11:22 AM (OGm46)

No he didn't. In fact he said the exact opposite. Read the quote...

"those that are here paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process towards application for citizenship, as they would from their home country."

http://tinyurl.com/nfd3lz4

"as they would from their home country" means they get to stay here while applying for citizenship.

That was in 2006.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2015 11:43 AM (W63ne)

283 273 People who say "let it burn" have never lived in a country that is burning.

Be careful what you wish for.
Posted by: TB at July 21, 2015 11:42 AM (8u/5i)

We're already burning, but it's more like a coal mine or peat bog fire.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2015 11:43 AM (2Ojst)

284 The fix is in. New Hampshire and Iowa and all the other primaries are run by the RNC cabal of Bush Et Al. The first few are most important to gin up the so called base, pull the wool over everyone's eyes, get the money and media behind RNC robot #1 and robot #2 who then pretend to battle it out until the pretend nomination. All the sleepy time candidates listed outside of Trump are losers who are gonna lose against the criminal syndicate that is the DNC and Hillary.

Posted by: Hillary with a Wang! at July 21, 2015 11:44 AM (D0NZx)

285
Are the Repblicans really this stupid, too?

How does it make any sense to Perry to shit on Trump?

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 21, 2015 11:44 AM (dc0Am)

286 275 We need a Refighting Romney thread, apparently
Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger at July 21, 2015 11:42 AM (2pP51)

Any thread after ten comments can be about Romney.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 21, 2015 11:44 AM (m9wUQ)

287 Everyone agrees that Trump is right about McCain. Just not supposed to say it in polite society. This is the year that McCain finds out everyone likes him about as much as they liked J. Edgar Hoover. How about building that Damn Fence McCain? McCain took care of the fence the same way he takes care of veterans.

Posted by: theTruth at July 21, 2015 11:44 AM (j2xmV)

288 >>..but man is he an ass.

Yep. He is just so bad, and has been for decades.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2015 11:44 AM (NOIQH)

289 I guess it depends on your definition of burning.

We have planned parenthood bigwigs selling off baby parts/tissue over cocktails for God's sake.

I think it is burning but maybe I'm just a wimp.

Posted by: Drider at July 21, 2015 11:45 AM (DNFK1)

290 I appreciate his prior service and bravery, but man is he an ass.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 21, 2015 11:42 AM (m9wUQ)

Exactly. He comported himself with honor and integrity as a POW. He upheld the finest traditions of our armed forces....much like thousands of other POWs.

But he is a crook and a whore and an arrogant prick as a senator and as a man.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2015 11:46 AM (Zu3d9)

291 Perry is showing he isn't very politically savvy on a national scale. Thinks he knows better than Reagan.

Posted by: theTruth at July 21, 2015 11:46 AM (j2xmV)

292
Interesting graphic at the NYT about who makes the cut for the first GOP debate.

Makes the cut:

Trump 16.8%
Bush 14.4
Walker 11.0
Rubio 7.0
Paul 6.2
Huckabee 5.5
Carson 4.7
Cruz 4.2
Christie 3.0
Santorum 1.9
Kasich 1.9

Does not make cut:

Perry 1.7%
Jindal 1.2
Fiorina 0.9
Graham 0.5
Pataki 0.5

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2015 11:46 AM (JtwS4)

293 "More or less sums up my feelings on McCain; I appreciate his prior service and bravery, but man is he an ass."

------------------------------------------------------------
Said to say that will get him the gay vote.
Posted by: OTB at July 21, 2015 11:43 AM (ShdUd)

The entire kerfluffle over McCain is not unlike the kerfluffle years ago over Rush criticizing Michael J Fox for his political comments. The Left was horrified that Rush would dare criticize someone who had parkinson's disease. Apparently having a chronic disease or in McCain's case, having been a POW forty years ago gives one a lifetime exemptions from saying or doing anything deemed stupid or harmful to the country.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 21, 2015 11:46 AM (WV80V)

294 So Drew, you planning on staying home then?

Posted by: chemjeff at July 21, 2015 11:46 AM (2ap0X)

295 @277 CBD

Thank you, but how I wish I was wrong.
The MSM broad brush practically forces Trump and the whole R field to the "defense" that "we're only talking about the criminals" thereby underscoring, bolding and highlighting a non-existent "consensus" that OF COURSE we want as many millions upon millions of "law abiding people" from wherever the fuck in the world to become instant "Americans" with absolutely no preconditions, pause or sense of proportion.

Posted by: Becoming Expat NYC Parent at July 21, 2015 11:47 AM (k8tEg)

296 Romney vetoed Mass Heath Care a dozen times. Reading is fundamental.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 21, 2015 11:47 AM (2cS/G)

297 Wlaker's 20 week abortion ban -- you mean the same as France?

Posted by: Jean at July 21, 2015 11:47 AM (ztOda)

298 We're already burning, but it's more like a coal mine or peat bog fire.>>>

Or one of those giant tire dump fires.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 21, 2015 11:47 AM (81UWZ)

299 # 270

I seriously doubt this. If she steps back in, she'll be cut down and
abandoned by her own party. Which, come to think of it, is what happened
to her in 2008.
======

Nope, that's not what happened to Palin in 2008. She wasn't "abandoned" by her party. In fact, she was pulling in far bigger crowds on the campaign trail than John McCain.

McCain is responsible for his campaign's loss. It didn't help Palin that she was backstabbed by Johnny Mac's senior campaign staff. BTW, Nicole Wallace was fired from "The View" a few days ago.

Posted by: mrp at July 21, 2015 11:48 AM (JBggj)

300 Posted by: chemjeff at July 21, 2015 11:46 AM (2ap0X)

Nah, I'll just vote for the Libertarian whack job.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2015 11:48 AM (W63ne)

301 In the real debate, Romney took Remington over Mossberg. The bastard.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 21, 2015 11:48 AM (YFw5T)

302 >>those that are here paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process towards application for citizenship, as they would from their home country."

What part of from their home country is confusing to you? Why do you insist on cherry picking quotes and then trying to find an ah ha! moment for people you don't like?

Seriously, given your support for Gingrich who claimed Romney was mean because he wanted to deport Grandma's what ground do you have to criticize anyone?

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 11:48 AM (OGm46)

303 My phone just told me the race is over, Kaische is in. Everyone else out of the pool.

Posted by: Jean at July 21, 2015 11:49 AM (ztOda)

304 Makes the cut:

Trump 16.8%
Bush 14.4
Walker 11.0
Rubio 7.0
Paul 6.2
Huckabee 5.5
Carson 4.7
Cruz 4.2
Christie 3.0
Santorum 1.9
Kasich 1.9

Does not make cut:

Perry 1.7%
Jindal 1.2
Fiorina 0.9
Graham 0.5
Pataki 0.5

Jindal could rocket up and push out Kasich and Santorum if he would just come out against illegal immigration.

And he could make the sale pretty easily considering bis background.

Posted by: PP Organ Merchants at July 21, 2015 11:49 AM (oVJmc)

305 269 Re: Walker's 20 week abortion ban - Can someone explain to me why this is so outrageous? It's not like if you're a victim of rape/incest you can't get an abortion earlier.

Exactly so, and this is a pleasant side effect from all the work the pro-life movement has been doing over the years. That is, the pro-abortion extremists at PP, and their political allies like Pelosi are sounding increasingly panicky and shrill, so much so that even the MSM is having difficulty keeping their readers and viewers from noticing just how extreme their views on abortion are.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 21, 2015 11:50 AM (qkRol)

306 I think people and McCain himself need to be reminded of what an awful candidate he was. I voted for him but I had no enthusiasm as he is all about ego and press.

He committed so many unforced errors that I would really appreciate it if he would STFU.

Posted by: Cheri at July 21, 2015 11:50 AM (oiNtH)

307 Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 11:48 AM (OGm46)

"As they would from their home country" is not the same as "from their home country". In fact, it's the exact opposite.

English motherfucker, do you speak it?

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2015 11:50 AM (W63ne)

308 The funny thing is, Trump is really destroying the chances of any sort of grassroots candidate from getting any traction.

So while some people might feel good about how much heartburn he's causing the Establishment, he's almost guaranteeing an Establishment candidate to win.

Posted by: Kal at July 21, 2015 11:50 AM (A3kYV)

309 Why the hell would Perry hire Justin Bieber??

Posted by: Roland THTG at July 21, 2015 11:51 AM (QM5S2)

310 McCain's the type who buys you a drink by pissing in your face.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 21, 2015 11:51 AM (oVJmc)

311
Jindal could rocket up and push out Kasich and Santorum if he would just come out against illegal immigration.

And he could make the sale pretty easily considering bis background.

That's part of why I posted this. I can't believe that Perry and Jindal are below the cut line, given some of the clowns who (as of this second) make it.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2015 11:51 AM (JtwS4)

312 Posted by: Becoming Expat NYC Parent at July 21, 2015 11:47 AM (k8tEg)

There are many rational arguments for limited legal immigration.

None that I can find make a logical argument for large numbers of uneducated immigrants from socialistic countries.

Funny how often the MBM refers to the poor PhD in astrophysics who can't get in, but conveniently ignores the millions of illiterate laborers pouring across our borders.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2015 11:52 AM (Zu3d9)

313
I see that Kanye West is still styling Kim Kartrashian's knocked up body.

Now this is news for most of the US, reading news on the smart phone!
In terms of content, news about Washington and politics was desired considerably less by young Americans than older adults.

Posted by: Colin at July 21, 2015 11:53 AM (STIxg)

314 This is exactly, 100% correct!

The media have changed what trump is saying into a general attack on all immigrants...illegal, criminal, legal, etc.

All Trump said was that we should keep the criminals out. He said nothing about closing the floodgates of "otherwise law-abiding" illegals.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2015 11:43 AM (Zu3d9)

Which only shows (1) how treasonous and demogogic the libmedia is, and (2) how cowardly and Hispandering Jeb and Perry and any other Republican wuss I forgot to mention here is.

So far it is Ted Cruz for me, maybe Scott Walker, and yes, maybe Hucakbee, who hashad good things to say about Trump too.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 21, 2015 11:53 AM (GsebS)

315 So while some people might feel good about how much heartburn he's
causing the Establishment, he's almost guaranteeing an Establishment
candidate to win.

I think a lot of us are convinced that there is no way anyone else is going to be allowed to win.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 21, 2015 11:53 AM (oVJmc)

316
Yesterday Eliz Warren came out to pretend she thinks McCain is a hero.

You do realize that McCain will pay us back for this, right? He's gonna side with the D's now more than ever.

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 21, 2015 11:53 AM (dc0Am)

317 Perry said: "show me a wall and I'll show you a ladder."

Anyone who would vote for this cocksucker is a raving loon, imho. He's a fucking disaster.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 21, 2015 11:54 AM (q5APL)

318 @292

Having looked at any polls but how the Hell does Perry fall behind Santorum and Kasich? Jeeze.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 11:54 AM (LA7Cm)

319 So while some people might feel good about how much heartburn he's causing the Establishment, he's almost guaranteeing an Establishment candidate to win.

Posted by: Kal at July 21, 2015 11:50 AM (A3kYV)

That makes perverse sense, or sense in the perverse world we live in. I wonder though. If it is true, it underscores how brilliantly Cruz is playing all this.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 21, 2015 11:54 AM (s/yC1)

320 Perry said: "show me a wall and I'll show you a ladder."

Yet, we've continued to have walls for the thousands of years since ladders were invented.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 21, 2015 11:55 AM (oVJmc)

321 Jackstraw: "By your logic, I guess we can right off Perry since he favored giving in-state tuitions for illegals, right? "

You have to be stupid to support someone who favored preferred status to illegals - talk about a plain political stance - or I guess a member of the establishment who might think it smart. Of course, if you are here illegally, you are here illegally. The only nuance would be if you were born here to illegal parents - in that case you are a citizen but your parents are still illegal.

And as for Trump's 'birther shit"...my stance is pretty simple. Why did the media and Dems desperately try to show that Obama was born in Hawaii and not Kenya? Because they knew if he was born in a foreign country to a mom who was a US Citizen and a dad who wasn't, then he didn't qualify to be President.........Hence Ted Cruz, no matter how much I agree with him, will never get my vote.

Posted by: doug at July 21, 2015 11:55 AM (IYEs/)

322 Having looked at any polls but how the Hell does Perry fall behind Santorum and Kasich? Jeeze. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 21, 2015 11:54 AM (LA7Cm)

Uh, immigration, perhaps?Santorum, to his credit, has also praised Trump....

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 21, 2015 11:56 AM (GsebS)

323
I can't believe that Perry and Jindal are below the cut line, given some of the clowns who (as of this second) make it.

I can. Perry comes across as smarmy to me and Jindal has the charisma of a wet sock.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 21, 2015 11:56 AM (kQBSd)

324 Just saw a video of a activist practicing ambush journalism: "Trump, why are you so racist? Trump, how can you connect with the middle class when you're so rich?" bullshit.

And he turned every question into a strength and what he wanted to talk about.

And all she was left with was snark.

Every other worthless fucking GOP candidate would have accepted the premise, apologized and would walk right into the trap.

Tell us again why his near 30% support is an illusion?

'Cause wishing will make it so?

Either use Trump or keep jerking off while crying in the corner.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 21, 2015 11:56 AM (ZvKdv)

325 McCain is responsible for his campaign's loss. It didn't help Palin that she was backstabbed by Johnny Mac's senior campaign staff. BTW, Nicole Wallace was fired from "The View" a few days ago.

Posted by: mrp

Wallace hated Palin - do you know why? Also, McCain's daughter Meghan didn't like her as well. Maybe Palin didn't acquiesce as they wished.

Posted by: Cheri at July 21, 2015 11:56 AM (oiNtH)

326 You do realize that McCain will pay us back for this, right? He's gonna side with the D's now more than ever.

I'm not sure that's mathematically possible.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 21, 2015 11:56 AM (oVJmc)

327 Nope, that's not what happened to Palin in 2008. She wasn't "abandoned" by her party

She was savaged by the MSM and the McCain campaign, of which she was ostensibly a part of, did not do a damned thing to help or defend her. They just stood back and let it happen.

That's what I call abandonment.

And you can bet she'll get the same treatment this time around, should she decide to step back in.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 21, 2015 11:56 AM (qkRol)

328 As someone who genuinely cares about sealing the border, have we ever considered that the reason all of the other candidates are so mum now about illegal immigration is because Trump has made it radioactive now?

Walker was making many statements that was obvious he was going to be the Border Hawk of this primary. But now, he may worry about being lumped in with Trump and doesn't want some sort of 90/10 Hispanic block destroying him in a General Election.

Perry is a mixed bag, but he looked like he had "seen the light" on Border issues, but now sounds like Jeb Bush.

I think we ought to consider that a clown can really taint this issue.

Posted by: Kal at July 21, 2015 11:56 AM (A3kYV)

329 7 Of course they want Jeb. Kasich, Rubio and Perry, at the very least, are fake candidates meant to split the vote.

Again, HAS NO ONE LOOKED AT WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN FLORIDA RE THE STATE GOP.

The fuckers have RIGGED THE SYSTEM to winner takes all.

This is all for Jeb. Whoever wins Florida, wins the whole fucking thing. And none of the real conservatives we like can come close to competing in Florida, right now.

Hence the dilemma.

Posted by: prescient11

a lot of states are all or nothing. No one gives two shits about a proportional state. Speaking of two shits, Florida just means only Rubio or Jeb survives.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 21, 2015 11:57 AM (QdAXQ)

330 "Just saw a video of a activist practicing ambush journalism: "Trump, why are you so racist? Trump, how can you connect with the middle class when you're so rich?" bullshit."

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 21, 2015 11:56 AM (ZvKdv)

Can you link? Love to see it.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 21, 2015 11:57 AM (s/yC1)

331 Jindal could rocket up and push out Kasich and Santorum if he would just come out against illegal immigration.

And he could make the sale pretty easily considering bis background.
Posted by: PP Organ Merchants at July 21, 2015 11:49 AM (oVJmc)

He would need to curry some favor.

I denounce myself.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at July 21, 2015 11:57 AM (vgIRn)

332 I can't believe Santorum is back in the running. He must enjoy the abuse.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 21, 2015 11:57 AM (2cS/G)

333 Trump reminds me of the guy sitting at the poker table with a huge stack at the beginning of the game. In my experience the guy with the early chip lead does not make it to the final table. He's had a couple of nice hands and some morons at the table thought he was bluffing and called him out much to their chagrin so far.

Trump's real usefulness to the other card players at the table(GOP presidential hopefuls) is he's exposing other candidates weakness' this early in the game. If I were a Cruz or a Walker I would sit back and watch the Perry's expose themselves. At this point you getting all the tells for free.

There's still a lot of time. Trump is in the lead early but the pack will get sorted out soon. I just hope the GOPe gets the message their base is trying to send them.

Posted by: Arson Wells at July 21, 2015 11:57 AM (UnJ7w)

334 315 So while some people might feel good about how much heartburn he's
causing the Establishment, he's almost guaranteeing an Establishment
candidate to win.

I think a lot of us are convinced that there is no way anyone else is going to be allowed to win.

Dead on correct. Give Trump the stage, a mic and let him loose to start kicking butt and enjoy the show. Chances are, if the guy you liked is not one of maybe two people, the powers that be have already drawn a line through their names. You just don't know it yet.

Posted by: Drider at July 21, 2015 11:57 AM (DNFK1)

335 The Marco Rubio campaign is one of radio silence. Ugh.

Posted by: pj at July 21, 2015 11:57 AM (cHuNI)

336 "The funny thing is, Trump is really destroying the chances of any sort of grassroots candidate from getting any traction."

Not completely true. If Sarah Palin gets in, she immediately becomes the favorite.

Posted by: doug at July 21, 2015 11:58 AM (IYEs/)

337 Fox is showing Kasich speech, CNN showing Obama's speech.
Obama looks...irritated? Arrogant, of course, but he just seems to have so much contempt lately - like he can't be bothered anymore.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2015 11:58 AM (NOIQH)

338 English motherfucker, do you speak it?

Go read this quote from during the actual election where Romney was quite explicit in saying that illegals would have to go home no matter how long they had been here unless they joined the military which has always been supported by conservatives.

Don't show me some partial quote from after the election when of course Romney would change his mind when it didn't matter. Yes, of course this makes sense. He ran on a tough program that allowed the left to hammer away at him but then adopted a softer position after he lost. Genius.

http://tinyurl.com/oby53f6

You're a dishonest twat. And still no response on how you could support Gingrich when he slammed Romney for having to mean an illegal immigration plan.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 12:00 PM (OGm46)

339 Proposed immigration test:
1. If under 70: Speak English, or commit to retesting English fluency in 3 years. Fail and you're gone.
2. Renounce all loyalty to foreign governments, which includes flying or displaying the flag of your country of origin anyplace outside your own home.
3. Explain the source of individual rights (if the answer "it comes from the Constitution" or "its something given to us by our government" then you are instantly deported).

Posted by: Becoming Expat NYC Parent at July 21, 2015 12:01 PM (k8tEg)

340 Argh - he referred to one of the Chattanooga victims as "Sully" - like the "Chris" business w/amb. Stevens. You weren't buddies, show these men some respect.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2015 12:02 PM (NOIQH)

341 Mc Cain couldn't even handle Goldberg on The View.

Posted by: Cheri at July 21, 2015 12:02 PM (oiNtH)

342

Jindal is a political imbecile who thinks we need to increase legal immigration, quote, "by a lot".

Because adding 1.2 million new 80-20 Dem voters to the population per year isn't enough, I guess.

Posted by: Jon at July 21, 2015 12:02 PM (HA+/6)

343 Not completely true. If Sarah Palin gets in, she immediately becomes the favorite.
Posted by: doug at July 21, 2015 11:58 AM (IYEs/)

A non-starter in my opinion. 2012 was her chance. Everything was in alignment. I was working with OFP in California and the grassroots energy was enormous. She failed to launch. She doesn't want it.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 21, 2015 12:02 PM (s/yC1)

344 Nope, that's not what happened to Palin in 2008. She wasn't "abandoned" by her party

She was savaged by the MSM and the McCain campaign, of which she was ostensibly a part of, did not do a damned thing to help or defend her. They just stood back and let it happen.

That's what I call abandonment.

And you can bet she'll get the same treatment this time around, should she decide to step back in.
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 21, 2015 11:56 AM (qkRol)

As soon as the MSM, and Hollywood found out that Palin was a gun toting married mother who didn't abort her Down's syndrome child, and who ate meat she hunted when she was on vacation as governor from the evil oil rich state of Alaska that had oil spills that killed wildlife, she was relentlessly attacked and mocked.

McCain, who is a stupid, dottering political hack, thought bringing Palin on board was a sure fire signal to the left that he was with them on women's rights. He was too stupid to realize that he needed to pick a liberal woman, not a conservative. And then he tried to stem the criticism by muzzling Palin, refusing to allow her to speak at campaign stops, etc.
McCain was so enamored of being buddies with the leftists and Democrats that he sabotaged his own campaign running mate in an attempt to appease his opponents.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 21, 2015 12:03 PM (WV80V)

345 277
Posted by: Becoming Expat NYC Parent at July 21, 2015 11:37 AM (k8tEg)

This is exactly, 100% correct!

The media have changed what trump is saying into a general attack on all immigrants...illegal, criminal, legal, etc.

All
Trump said was that we should keep the criminals out. He said nothing
about closing the floodgates of "otherwise law-abiding" illegals.
-------------
Gotta start somewhere on the issue, felonious illegals is a good place.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 21, 2015 12:03 PM (ry4ab)

346 there were new manatee twins

Mom's already had a tourist visit from Mr. Evinrude.

Posted by: DaveA at July 21, 2015 12:03 PM (DL2i+)

347
The fuckers have RIGGED THE SYSTEM to winner takes all.This is all for Jeb.
Posted by: prescient11

a lot of states are all or nothing.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn

The RNC rigged -- oops sorry -- revised the primary delegate rules so that the early primaries are proportional, to keep a dark horse from building up a bank of delegates, and then the primaries are winner take all after a specific date.

The switchover date they set? Immediately before the Florida primary.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 21, 2015 12:03 PM (kdS6q)

348 Nude Art

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 21, 2015 12:03 PM (evdj2)

349 That Rick Perry tweet comparing Trump to Putin...dumb

Posted by: Jonah Goldborg at July 21, 2015 12:04 PM (hKyl0)

350
"Just saw a video of a activist practicing ambush journalism: "Trump,
why are you so racist? Trump, how can you connect with the middle class
when you're so rich?" bullshit."

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 21, 2015 11:56 AM (ZvKdv)

Can you link? Love to see it.
========

http://tinyurl.com/qz4tyf4

Check out the slimy bitch who thinks she's so damned smart.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 21, 2015 12:04 PM (ZvKdv)

351 Lizzy - what a putz. He's probably irritated that he has to make any statement at all when he'd much rather this story just go away. Using informal names like that is his middle finger again.

Posted by: Cheri at July 21, 2015 12:04 PM (oiNtH)

352 Don't show me some partial quote from after the election when of course Romney would change his mind when it didn't matter.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 12:00 PM (OGm46)

That quote (nothing partial about it, I included the link both times(was from 2006) which was from BEFORE the election.

He flipped once he started running and flopped back after he was done.

Which was my whole point.

There's no point engaging with you. You're as slippery with facts as Romney is.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2015 12:04 PM (W63ne)

353 Yes, please!

Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at July 21, 2015 12:05 PM (/Ho8c)

354 349 That Rick Perry tweet comparing Trump to Putin...dumb
Posted by: Jonah Goldborg at July 21, 2015 12:04 PM (hKyl0)

He's doubling down on stupid.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 21, 2015 12:05 PM (s/yC1)

355 Romney would have been a great President.

But because he didn't get 10/10 on the Palin (patent pending) Conservative field test, we got Obama. You sure showed us by staying home.

Fuckers.

Posted by: Community Organizer at July 21, 2015 12:05 PM (9VLhN)

356 Posted by: Drider at July 21, 2015 11:57 AM (DNFK1)

That is exactly what Palin should have been allowed to do. But the GOPe was too afraid of her. Trump is another Palinin that regard. He has my vote. Trump and Palin are true Mavericks. McCain just call himself a maverick.

Posted by: Chilling the most at July 21, 2015 12:06 PM (zW5rQ)

357 In my opinion any Republican voter already wetting his dress over Trump's impact on the election is already in the tank for Jeb Bush, whether he realizes it or not. That fear, that magical belief that you can somehow see the future, the resignation that that Jeb is the heir apparent before the race has even begun... you've already given up.

The race is still early. We haven't even had the debates yet. If Trump continues to shoot from the hip then he'll self-immolate in the debates.

In the mean time there are many quality candidates in the race and most are probably just keeping mum until some of the candidates shake out.

I don't expect Trump to make it to the end, but I can't predict the future. What I want is for his immigration message to continue on. The establishment is trying to stomp it to death.

40 Million illegals in the United States. Amnesty = immediate death of the Republican Party. Immigration is the most important issue in this election.

Fight for someone other than Jeb Bush. Although it is a very Republican thing to do, stop capitulating before the fight has even begun.

Don't Panic

Posted by: Phil at July 21, 2015 12:06 PM (DjpfO)

358 I think it's counterproductive to insult republicans like Huckabee and his one-time supporters. It's unfair to call him a 'huckster'.

That being said, Jeb will probably be the nominee of the party that I formerly knew as my own.

Posted by: Old Hob at July 21, 2015 12:06 PM (ZufZo)

359 Jackstraw, the problem with Romney, of course, is that he has so many pre-2008 quotes on immigration that sound like he wants to give citizenship to those already here - without having to go back.

There is the rub of the NEW GOPe, they learned from Romney that they can continue to be soft on illegal immigration but sound strong and expect the voters to believe them.

They learned from Romney that they can support Government run healthcare but sound like they are against it and expect the voters to believe it.

They learned from Romneycare how to lie to the voters again and again and again and make us buy it everytime.

Posted by: doug at July 21, 2015 12:06 PM (IYEs/)

360 We should be discussing how Romney will hold on for a second term.

Fucking Romney.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 21, 2015 12:06 PM (evdj2)

361 Not completely true. If Sarah Palin gets in, she immediately becomes the favorite.
Posted by: doug at July 21, 2015 11:58 AM (IYEs/)

For fucks sake.

Posted by: Community Organizer at July 21, 2015 12:07 PM (9VLhN)

362 >>Which was my whole point.

You don't have a point. You are relying on an article that has a headline that is not backed up by anything in the story. Nowhere does Romney say anything about amnesty and because the partial quote only says that illegals must follow the same procedure as anyone else, which means exactly what it says, applying for citizenship from their home country, you choose to interpret that as meaning amnesty.

It's not me being slippery with the facts. Are you ever going to tell us why you supported Gingrich who complained that Romney's self-deport plan was too mean?

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2015 12:08 PM (OGm46)

363 Having looked at any polls but how the Hell does Perry fall behind Santorum and Kasich?

Its almost like people didn't read my post on the inside numbers on that poll.

Nope, that's not what happened to Palin in 2008. She wasn't "abandoned" by her party

You're mistaking Republican Voters for Republican Party. The party isn't the members or the voters. Its the leadership. They despise Palin.

If Sarah Palin gets in, she immediately becomes the favorite.

What you wish to be true does not define reality.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 12:08 PM (39g3+)

364 I like Jindal, a lot, and wish he could get more recognition.

I still think of Trump as a rodeo clown, but do like that he is stirring things up.

Would prefer Walker/Jindal/Rubio/Carson in whatever order. I also like Carla F. Have always liked Rick Perry but know he blew it last time. I am not much for the retreads, who should not be diluting the mix (Huck and Rick S., talking to you).

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,aging Redneck Queen supermodel, Walker/whoever 2016 at July 21, 2015 12:08 PM (2qF5m)

365 You sure showed us by staying home.

Posted by: Community Organizer at July 21, 2015 12:05 PM (9VLhN)

Completely debunked, time and again. Real Clear Politics, for instance, has shown clearly that it was northern, blue-collar workers who stayed home in 2012. Not super conservatives.

Posted by: Old Hob at July 21, 2015 12:09 PM (ZufZo)

366 "Jindal could rocket up and push out Kasich and Santorum if he would just come out against illegal immigration."

Jindal is actually good on illegal immigration, but it doesn't matter because he's terrible on legal immigration, which is a lot more important (since legal immigrants vote, and nearly all vote Democrat).

Posted by: Jon at July 21, 2015 12:09 PM (HA+/6)

367 But because he didn't get 10/10 on the Palin (patent pending) Conservative field test, we got Obama. You sure showed us by staying home.

The myth never ends. Some people just cling to it with all their strength against all facts and reality. Like I said, I guess its more comforting than the alternative.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 12:09 PM (39g3+)

368 Proposed immigration test: 1. If under 70: Speak English, or commit to retesting English fluency in 3 years. Fail and you're gone. 2. Renounce all loyalty to foreign governments, which includes flying or displaying the flag of your country of origin anyplace outside your own home. 3. Explain the source of individual rights (if the answer "it comes from the Constitution" or "its something given to us by our government" then you are instantly deported).
Posted by: Becoming Expat NYC Parent

So you'd hand the MFM on a platter the sight of people being deported because of a flag?
We're not deporting violent criminals, and you'd actually list this?

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 21, 2015 12:10 PM (Spluw)

369 Romney wouldn't have been a great president. But he would have sucked a lot less than Obama, and with him in office, there's at least a chance that the Republicans would have dredged up the stones to at least modify and weaken the scope of Obamacare. Not great, but... less awful a president.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 12:11 PM (39g3+)

370 337
Fox is showing Kasich speech, CNN showing Obama's speech.

Obama looks...irritated? Arrogant, of course, but he just seems to
have so much contempt lately - like he can't be bothered anymore.
---------
Remember, Obummer was always one of the Leftists that El Rushbo rightly accused of never being able to speak their minds on any issue. That and he has NO people skills whatsoever, never mind the fawning interference from the LSM. So Obummer has to read some canned by-the-numbers speech that he doesn't agree with, so of course it comes out wrong.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 21, 2015 12:11 PM (ry4ab)

371 300
Posted by: chemjeff at July 21, 2015 11:46 AM (2ap0X)

Nah, I'll just vote for the Libertarian whack job.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2015 11:48 AM (W63ne)
the pro-gay-marriage, pro-pot, anti-religion Libertarians?

Posted by: chemjeff at July 21, 2015 12:11 PM (2ap0X)

372 #327

Palin was popular among Republican voters, and was probably a lot more popular with conservatives than McCain.

If she wants the job, Palin will call the shots, not Steve Schmidt. She's the most media-savvy politician in the country and she's a dynamic media magnet. Jeb Bush doesn't have the star-power or the street cred to beat her. And Palin will raise the money she needs to win.

If she wants the job, of course.

Posted by: mrp at July 21, 2015 12:12 PM (JBggj)

373 By the way, anyone seen the Tomi Lahren video of her bashing Obama? She's not just cute but she does a great job of tearing him and the whole leftist establishment down regarding armed soldiers.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 12:13 PM (39g3+)

374 Jindal is actually good on illegal immigration
Posted by: Jon at July 21, 2015 12:09 PM (HA+/6)

Define "good":

Step 2: Once the border is secure, and not before, we should provide an opportunity for those who came here illegally seeking to work for a better life to gain legal status rather quickly, if and only if they are willing to do all that is required.

http://tinyurl.com/lrlnw4g

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2015 12:13 PM (W63ne)

375 More importantly, there's talk of rebooting the Xena the Warrior Princess franchise.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2015 10:40 AM (JtwS4)

I will admit to having been partial to Gabrielle and Callisto, but 1990s era Lucy Lawless? Hawt.

http://goo.gl/t0FgBd

https://goo.gl/pyKHlg

Posted by: physics geek at July 21, 2015 12:13 PM (MT22W)

376 "It's not me being slippery with the facts. Are you ever going to tell us why you supported Gingrich who complained that Romney's self-deport plan was too mean?"

We just finished up the first stage of Romney's self-deport plan. Four years of Obamneycare economics that destroyed our economy and sent illegals back in droves for lack of work. The reason that is mean is because it left the rest of us non-multi-millionaires dirt poor. It wasn't targeted on just the illegals, it was targeted on the whole working class citizenry as well.

Posted by: doug at July 21, 2015 12:14 PM (IYEs/)

377
>>And that's what you said last time. And that's why you were given links to the transcripts. Then, you didn't say much at all.

I'm not doing your work for you. Show me where he said he favors amnesty as you claim.
Posted by: JackStraw

OK, young man. One more time. But your Mother and I expect you to read the transcript and bookmark it so we don't have to have this discussion gain:

http://tinyurl.com/q78lgg3

Section:

Univisions Leading the Change Event - Interview with Governor Mitt Romney
November, 26 2014

Ctrl-F "swallow" to jump down to it, because apparently Mexicans can't HTML

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 21, 2015 12:15 PM (kdS6q)

378 the pro-gay-marriage, pro-pot, anti-religion Libertarians?
Posted by: chemjeff at July 21, 2015 12:11 PM (2ap0X)

Not sure that's how I'd define libertarianism but I'm pretty much ok with those things.

I'm not ant-religion but I don't care if others are so long as they aren't trying to use the power of the state to quash religious freedom.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2015 12:16 PM (W63ne)

379 If what you're saying comes to pass, Drew, we're fucked.

Posted by: Chester at July 21, 2015 12:16 PM (/BYqW)

380 Hard to take anything seriously these days -- just a boulder of bad stuff rolling down the hill right at us -- a few chunks flying off as time goes by.

That said, Trump is good for this. Media coverage. So, I am all for him taking on the Iran /Obama-Kerry/UN deal. If immigration and borders are a threat, this should trump (heh) even that.

Posted by: gracepc at July 21, 2015 12:16 PM (DMQhB)

381
LA Times reporting one of the Marines murdered may have had a gun and wounded the attacker.
They found a glock by the body of a Marine and are checking to see who it belonged to.
Expect the left to say that it's proof that guns don't help you protect yourself, blah, blah, blah.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 21, 2015 12:17 PM (jtStN)

382 Luke Skywalker: "Seriously, it's going to be Jeb. He's what the GOP does."

Yoda: "That is why they fail."

Posted by: Agent J at July 21, 2015 12:17 PM (ueOgE)

383 Nice post DrewM.

Posted by: Arson Wells at July 21, 2015 12:18 PM (UnJ7w)

384 365
You sure showed us by staying home.

Posted by: Community Organizer at July 21, 2015 12:05 PM (9VLhN)

Completely debunked, time and again. Real Clear Politics, for
instance, has shown clearly that it was northern, blue-collar workers
who stayed home in 2012. Not super conservatives.
-------
Ninja please, 10,000,000 registered (and living citizen) Democrat voters stayed home. So did 3,000,000 registered Republicans. That was in all the reported statistics. Despite the proportionate lack of enthusiasm, Obummer's people bought a close turnout in many states, but 3 million votes could have flipped a few of them anyway, or brought in a few western states to offset shenanigans east of the Father of Waters. Three million Republicans sat on their hands and contributed to a second Obummer term, which he has used to great effect. May God have mercy on all their souls, for He will shortly have none on this soon to be ex-Republic.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 21, 2015 12:18 PM (ry4ab)

385 Immigration is actually pretty easy to fix, but neither party wants to do it. They both see gains by having the country flooded by cheap labor that votes leftist.

1) Rewrite immigration law so its faster, cheaper, and easier to get in; but strongly restrict it to people who are a net positive and immediately beneficial to the country.
2) Crack down hard on all businesses hiring and using illegal immigration, and on welfare fraud that gets it to illegals.
3) Crush sanctuary cities by withholding grants and matching funds from the federal government until they change their policy and cooperate with the federal government on immigration.
4) Deport all illegals, but prioritize ones who have been in the US beyond a certain number of years and have shown they are good people who have done good for the nation
5) Clean house in ICE and border patrol to eliminate corruption, and vigorously patrol the border.

Two years, tops, the entire situation would be turned around. The economy would take a hit, maybe 18-24 months as companies shifted gears and raised prices, but the reduction in cost that illegals are imposing on states would offset that.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 12:18 PM (39g3+)

386 381

LA Times reporting one of the Marines murdered may have had a gun and wounded the attacker.
They found a glock by the body of a Marine and are checking to see who it belonged to.
Expect the left to say that it's proof that guns don't help you protect yourself, blah, blah, blah.
-----------
Expect inconvenient truths like a self-defense handgun personally used to disappear down the LSM memory hole ASAP.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 21, 2015 12:19 PM (ry4ab)

387 The switchover date they set? Immediately before the Florida primary.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix

So we need to keep Rubio valid until after FL.

Posted by: Jean at July 21, 2015 12:21 PM (ztOda)

388
Posted by: DrewM. at July 21, 2015 12:16 PM (W63ne)
Well you should look more closely into what modern Libertarianism is about.
It isn't as much about being consistently pro-liberty, and it is more about being anti-everything. I'm willing to bet that more than half of them would support forcing bakers to bake gay wedding cakes.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 21, 2015 12:21 PM (2ap0X)

389 LA Times reporting one of the Marines murdered may have had a gun and wounded the attacker.

In related news, the Obama administration has announced it will be holding a posthumous court martial to dishonorably discharge that marine retroactively.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 12:22 PM (39g3+)

390
If Bush pulls in the nomination and Trump runs third party, Jeb won't get 40% of the vote. Jeb gets fewer total votes than McCain.

Posted by: Advo at July 21, 2015 12:22 PM (7vbG1)

391 "Completely debunked, time and again. Real Clear Politics, for
instance, has shown clearly that it was northern, blue-collar workers
who stayed home in 2012. Not super conservatives."

Super conservative here, and I stayed home. You can't pin Obamneycare on me. All you other assholes who insisted on running the Romneycare squish and putting his like in charge of the GOPe, even going to the trouble of actively taking down each of his competitors in turn, yeah, that's right, I blame all of you assholes from Obamneycare.

I'm guessing the only one out there who can fix it would be putting Palin in charge - no one else has the balls.

Posted by: doug at July 21, 2015 12:22 PM (IYEs/)

392 Now is the time for candidates to "go bold or go home". Trump hit a hot button with the people who feel like they are being ignored and stepped on by the government. There are enough major issues to jump on that would get similar reaction. Wouldn't it be great if each one hammered on a major problem that forces the media to cover each one. Benghazi, email gate, gun walking, weaponization of the IRS, OPM, DHS, EPA, Dept of education, the economy, the debt, ISIS(see DHS), planned parenthood, etc. ad nauseum. 15 damn candidates and one job. Many have to know they're long shots so use the freaking megaphone. We need to gang up on these dem thugs and beat the snot out of them every time. Force Shrillary to respond to how she will solve these major problems. Here's a question for her "if you become president what specifically will you do to ensure the IRS doesn't selectively persecute certain groups?" And another, "what will you do to get to the bottom of what occurred at the IRS?" Force her to take a stand on issues that cannot continue once Odoofus is gone.

Posted by: Timajin at July 21, 2015 12:24 PM (irxwB)

393 I think within 5 years the libertarian party will have been reduced to the last 100 guys who are so stoned they don't realize that pot is now legal.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 12:24 PM (39g3+)

394 Back to my original point about Palin...

If Palin had been asked and agreed to back Flynn in Illinois, he would be the candidate today.

That district is heavily republican and had a low turnout primary. Palin's endorsement would mean a winning percentage would have crawled through glass to vote for her pick.

Everyone in the district would have known his name.

But the writer's guild didn't want to be embarrassed. So they ate a 40 point loss and put a RINO in the congress.

Good job.

Posted by: jwest at July 21, 2015 12:24 PM (P/xrJ)

395 90/10 Hispanic block

Attention Innumerates: Anything less than 50%+1 is first runner up.

Posted by: DaveA at July 21, 2015 12:29 PM (DL2i+)

396 Garrison Keillor is retiring, no longer to do Prairie Home Companion. He says that he is going to complete his final transformation to a toad.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 12:34 PM (39g3+)

397 Just keep chasing that Trump mechanical rabbit around that track.

The Democrats, with a candidate bench worse than Charlie Brown's baseball team, are laughing their asses off.

Posted by: TB at July 21, 2015 12:36 PM (8u/5i)

398 Garrison Keillor is retiring, no longer to do Prairie Home Companion. He says that he is going to complete his final transformation to a toad.

How will we be able to tell?

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 21, 2015 12:38 PM (qkRol)

399 Drew at his Drewy-est.

Jeb simply can't get off square one. He's a shitty candidate and is tone-deaf, as shown by his Iran squishiness. Very amateurish. Romney was attractive, likeable and articulate. Plus he wasn't a Toxic Bush with a gnome wife. He would have won everything in 2004, except for the Huckabee slime pushing a decrepit mental case like McCain.

It's a full year before the convention. This Clown Show will soon settle down, Obama will do 80 more idiotic things and then it will be clarified.

The "let it burn" slogan is fine for a puerile punch line, but shit like Iran, ISIS, and societal breakdown are not mere theoretical constructs for parents like myself.

Posted by: TexasJew at July 21, 2015 12:38 PM (0DVOr)

400 If Palin had been asked and agreed to back Flynn in Illinois, he would be the candidate today.

I can't even imagine what would possibly make anyone believe this seriously.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 21, 2015 12:40 PM (39g3+)

401

Heh,,,,, whatevah,,

I got this....

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at July 21, 2015 12:44 PM (HSmrB)

402 If Jeb Bush is the Republican Party's nominee for president, I will never vote for any Republican ever again for any office at any level of government.

Posted by: John at July 21, 2015 12:45 PM (NcI1J)

403 Duh
2008
But you get my drift..

Posted by: TexasJew at July 21, 2015 12:46 PM (0DVOr)

404 @368
I think your sense of humor was in that part of your head that they dropped you on.

Posted by: Becoming Expat NYC Parent at July 21, 2015 12:46 PM (k8tEg)

405

http://goo.gl/t0FgBd

https://goo.gl/pyKHlg

Posted by: physics geek at July 21, 2015 12:13 PM (MT22W)

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I'd hit it...

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at July 21, 2015 12:48 PM (HSmrB)

406 Is part of the umbrage at Trump by the professional pundit and political hack class because he hasn't hired any of them? Hasn't passed around any money to grease the skids? It seems he is running an in-house operation with his regular Trump International professional staff who are fast on their feet and used to winning at everything. They simply don't act like the last 20 years or so of political hacks and dragging dolts. It is unnerving the hack slugs because they slime along as fast (really slow) as they can while the Trump employees are zipping donuts around them. The Trump employees are lighting fire crackers under DC/NYC @zz and they are not amused.

Posted by: Lester at July 21, 2015 12:49 PM (2UPXV)

407 I don't know why so many people are so down on Bush. He was a really effective, conservative Governor of a large state. Other than Common Core, which I honestly don't give a shit about, what's the problem, exactly?

Posted by: rexbatt at July 21, 2015 12:49 PM (woA40)

408 Even Bergdahl got promotions, not McCain. Trump is going to bury these little jokes!!!!!!!!! By the way little people, running for pres.....where did Trump get 10 billion dollars.....not running a blog ... lol. Little strange someone tried to kill Ronald Reagan in his first term......so a whatever could inherit the presidency.

Posted by: Old Grunt at July 21, 2015 12:50 PM (12wGd)

409 Don't get me wrong...I defiantly think President Trump will screw up this nation, but in a much different way than Hillary or Jeb. If he is a GOP plant to drive the heard to Jeb, and he gets wind that he might just win. Trump will stay in the race as an independent. Trump does draw LIV. So, if I see a chance to mess up the GOP's grand plan, I will vote Trump. I do realize the law of unintended consequences may bring a New Fresh Hell for this country, but hey...at least it will be fresh!

Posted by: Paladin at July 21, 2015 12:52 PM (QGbEp)

410 IF ($Jeb) THEN ($They. Will. Stay. Home.)
ELSE
$Hillary
PRINT "Your're totally fucked";
PRINT "Bitch."
END

Posted by: Arkindole at July 21, 2015 12:53 PM (9ggMa)

411 Toxic Bush with a gnome wife.
Posted by: TexasJew at July 21, 2015 12:38 PM

Are you starting to understand why he moved to Florida from Texas? Jeb! is the weirdo Bush from way back. He left and nobody said goodbye.

Posted by: Lester at July 21, 2015 12:56 PM (2UPXV)

412 @402
If its Boosh vs Cankles I may have to learn Costa Rican.

Posted by: Becoming Expat NYC Parent at July 21, 2015 12:58 PM (k8tEg)

413 407 I don't know why so many people are so down on Bush. He was a really effective, conservative Governor of a large state.

---

So was GWB. Didn't turn out so well.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at July 21, 2015 01:01 PM (SCcgT)

414 Nice piece Drew WTF
I would think you were a troll by endorsing a Bush...
That said :
A steak at Flemmings says no Bushes and no Clintons will occupy Commander in Thief.....
There be a guillotine in the public square before that.
Unless the mussies nuke US and we have Martial Law and reeducation camps...

Posted by: McCluskyCapt at July 21, 2015 01:06 PM (/WmRg)

415 But seriously folks, I think its Walker by the tried and true strategy of being everyone's second choice.
I'm a Cruz man myself, but I'd settle for Walker in a friggin heartbeat.
Bet you a side of creamed spinach at Peter Lugers.

Posted by: Becoming Expat NYC Parent at July 21, 2015 01:09 PM (k8tEg)

416 I am in a very blue state. If they run Jeb, I won't vote for him. I'll vote Repub only locally or not at all. And I think Rand is running a better campaign than you give him credit for.

Posted by: notsothoreau at July 21, 2015 01:18 PM (5HBd1)

417
416 I am in a very blue state. If they run Jeb, I won't vote for him.

So, you'll vote for Sanders, Hillary, or O'Malley instead?

I'm not saying Jeb! is much better than any of those luminaries, but he will be better than them.

Just think, Hillary nominating Bubba to the Supreme Court. What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at July 21, 2015 01:32 PM (1hM1d)

418 #407 "I don't know why so many people are so down on Bush. He was a really effective, conservative Governor of a large state. Other than Common Core, which I honestly don't give a shit about, what's the problem, exactly?"

The problems are his endless attacks on conservatives for being conservatives, the endless cheer leading for amnesty, amnesty, and MOAR amnesty, the award and praise he awarded to Hillary Clinton, the money he made from Obamacare, his presence on the board of a Soros-run foundation, along with the whole post-American globalism of his family and their disastrous political incompetence that gave us both Bill Clinton and Barry Obama.

I won't for vote him under any circumstances, period.

Posted by: Xennady at July 21, 2015 01:34 PM (kh5rI)

419 I don't believe Perry's numbers are up because he criticized Trump. I believe their up because criticizing Trump got his name in front of the voters/pollees.

He should be at best 2nd tier. He's for amnesty, has a crappy record on illegals and so far hasn't said much about anything worth while except vote for me cause I was Gov of Texas. No one seems to want to remember he's under indictment but the donors do and his money isn't as good as it should be by now and that's cause they don't want to pay out and have their candidate lugged off to jail in '16.

All the rest, you're accurate about.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 21, 2015 01:35 PM (x3GpS)

420 No matter what. I will not vote for a Clinton or a Bush.

We've lived in the suck for nearing 8 solid years, time to finish it one way or another.
Hell shove Wesley Clark in the driver seat and lets all report to the damn camps so we can all go full on Borg and just not care anymore.

PS, PP, ands off my tissue bitches!!!

Posted by: Drider at July 21, 2015 01:41 PM (DNFK1)

421 I did read the whole thing (read == skimmed)

The most important thing I got out of it was "so Drew's not into Cruz?"

Posted by: meekle at July 21, 2015 01:43 PM (94iKh)

422 You sure showed us by staying home.
Fuckers.
Posted by: Community Organizer at July 21, 2015 12:05 PM (9VLhN)

yeah. We did. Next time you better nominate a conservative or at least a real Republican or the GOP loses again.

Won't be no ruckus if you don't make no ruckus.

We're tired of faux conservatives or at the very least the GOP candidates lying about what their positions are just to get elected. But this is the information age and it's very easy to find out what someone DID in office versus what they SAID they'd do.

Romney flipped too many times even from his claimed moderate stance. He was/is not to be trusted.

Jeb, Rubio and Perry are right up there as in All Hat No Cattle. Talk about being conservatives but their actions say NO. Or just as bad they say one thing one time and then another a different time to a different group.

I'm not voting for anyone who I suspect as being duplicitous and that's a big field right now.

Walker's at the edge as he's flipped on a couple things. Cruz is a bit worse. Trump has a lot further to go to prove himself as he has made outright opposite statements about stuff but I like that he's making Lindsey have a shit hemorrhage.

No decisions have yet to be needed to make. Not even the fake one about who's on the debate stage.

Lot's of time to see who's real and who's just faking it.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 21, 2015 01:56 PM (x3GpS)

423 People, please!

It's Jeb! Be punctilious about punctuation!

If you're not moved to do it for TheBranding, do it for me.

Posted by: Exclam Nathan Pointe at July 21, 2015 01:57 PM (qe0An)

424 410 IF ($Jeb) THEN ($They. Will. Stay. Home.)
ELSE
$Hillary
PRINT "Your're totally fucked";
PRINT "Bitch."
END

You forgot the line GOTO 410 before END

Posted by: billg@microsoft.com at July 21, 2015 02:03 PM (qe0An)

425 I haven't forgotten Perry's indictment but considering that it's for something that wasn't a crime and that it came from a grand jury in the Peoples Republic of Austin, I consider the source. It's lawfare and nothing more. I'm not a Perry fan FWIW.

All this political horse race stuff is interesting but here is my bottom line. Once again, the Republican leadership has gamed the system to nominate a favored candidate. Jeb will be the nominee, regardless of what the base wants. He will lose and Hillary! will be pResident for the next 8 years. The United States as we once knew it will collapse. In the unlikely case that Jeb wins, the collapse will be a bit slower but not by much. I will not vote for Jeb in any case. Rove and liberal consultant class have solidified the Republican party as a statist corporatist machine and have told the Conservative base to kiss off. As long as these corrupt thugs run the party and shove me aside, I will not support them at all.

Fuck Jeb, Rove and the whole Republican machine. I'm done!

Posted by: Commissar M at July 21, 2015 02:24 PM (KSF9t)

426 I can't see Bush winning Iowa. Walker is very strong there. New Hampshire has always been problematic for the Bush family and has a strong insurgency streak where it wants to upset the applecart of front runners. Bush won't win there either. South Carolina evangelicals will be looking for someone else.

Maybe Bush's money will carry him through these states until the large states kick in.

But I certainly wouldn't bet on it.

Posted by: Levin at July 21, 2015 02:29 PM (f3GW1)

427 yeah. We did. Next time you better nominate a conservative or at least a real Republican or the GOP loses again.

Won't be no ruckus if you don't make no ruckus.

We're tired of faux conservatives or at the very least the GOP candidates lying about what their positions are just to get elected. But this is the information age and it's very easy to find out what someone DID in office versus what they SAID they'd do.

Romney flipped too many times even from his claimed moderate stance. He was/is not to be trusted.

Jeb, Rubio and Perry are right up there as in All Hat No Cattle. Talk about being conservatives but their actions say NO. Or just as bad they say one thing one time and then another a different time to a different group.

I'm not voting for anyone who I suspect as being duplicitous and that's a big field right now.

Walker's at the edge as he's flipped on a couple things. Cruz is a bit worse. Trump has a lot further to go to prove himself as he has made outright opposite statements about stuff but I like that he's making Lindsey have a shit hemorrhage.

No decisions have yet to be needed to make. Not even the fake one about who's on the debate stage.

Lot's of time to see who's real and who's just faking it.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 21, 2015 01:56 PM (x3GpS)

----

Some myth. Some myth, indeed.

Fuckers. The lot of you.

As much I despise Obama, I despise you asshats even more. You let it happen again.

Get fucked.

Cheers.

Posted by: Community Organizer at July 21, 2015 03:59 PM (9VLhN)

428 Drew, Bush fails for one simple reason -- "I'm all Bushed out." He has the presence visuals of steam broccoli. Not that exciting.

Posted by: DrDog at July 21, 2015 04:09 PM (ZVUS/)

429 Astute and thorough analysis and interesting to read besides. Gracias, young whippersnapper. You are really something.

Again. This conservative will not be voting for Bush III.

That's just me. One insignificant vote. I do believe there are millions like me who will flat not accept being ruled by dynastic privileged chump. Die GOP. God damn it, die.

That is all.

Posted by: bour3 at July 21, 2015 04:39 PM (5x3+2)

430 1
I'd like to go a day or two without Trump News.

Posted by: Grump928(c)
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I see. You would prefer All Obama all the Time eh?

Posted by: DrDog at July 21, 2015 05:57 PM (RHBWt)

431 If Bush is the face of the GOP, then they deserve to die forever.

F*ck the Neo-Whigs. I stayed home for Dole, McCahin, and Willard Romneycare. If We can't have a conservative, then by God, we can all burn together in the Moonbat's bonfire.

Help.
It.
Burn.

And me and my entire family WILL make sure our votes are weaponized to PUNISH this time around if the establishment shoves Bush in.

Count on it.

Posted by: HempRopeAndStreetlight at July 21, 2015 07:17 PM (QoV2v)

432 "Jeb, with all his Bush baggage, will seem safe, comfortable, familiar and most of all, ELECTABLE."

Damn, Drew is nothing if not predictable. I told everyone he would use this very word to describe JEB!! when I assessed his last post.

Posted by: Bo Schitt at July 21, 2015 07:21 PM (hAKpY)

433 422
You sure showed us by staying home.
Fuckers.
Posted by: Community Organizer at July 21, 2015 12:05 PM (9VLhN)

DAMN RIGHT WE DID. We will HAPPILY set it all on fire and piss on it all over again. If the government gets too far out of wack we'll just overthrow the f*cker.

Play chicken with us @sshole. Do it. We'll slam the the accelerator through the GODD*MNED FLOORBOARD and aim for your hood ornament.

F*ck your RINO, you scumbags have had your chance for 20 years, yield or burn in hell with is.

I may not have my way, but by god I can always get revenge.

That will have to do pr*ck.

Posted by: HempRopeAndStreetlight at July 21, 2015 07:23 PM (bVmqy)

434 "Three million Republicans sat on their hands and contributed to a second
Obummer term, which he has used to great effect. May God have mercy on
all their souls, for He will shortly have none on this soon to be
ex-Republic"

Damn right we stayed home. Your candidate was shit and not worthy of a vote. It's your fault for running human moonbat trash and calling him a republican. Not ours. Our votes are EARNED you sniveling droolcup clad asshole. If you won't earn them, then rot in hell forever.

Posted by: HempRopeAndStreetlight at July 21, 2015 07:29 PM (TN7Wo)

435 Jeb? Really? I will stay home drink beer and L.I.B.........

Posted by: marine43 at July 21, 2015 10:07 PM (Qovtd)

436 Well, Drew, your claim that Trump is not leading in Iowa is now...... FALSE! New poll today has him at 22% followed by Jeb! at 15% followed by Walker at 13%. Link in nic. Suck it.

Trump is not scaring mods into Jeb's! arms -- they are already there! Trump is letting the grassroots know they are HEARD. And the grassroots outnumber mods by FAR. We just needed a standard-bearer, and By God we found it in TRUMP.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at July 22, 2015 12:35 AM (xetep)

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