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Rush Limbaugh: Stop Bashing Trump or Hillary Will Win
Limbaugh says that the attacks on Trump are so bad that they simply cannot be walked back, should he win.
He notes the difference between attacks made against allies and attacks made against enemies. He's kind of saying what I said last week, at least about the part where you can't attack your allies with the red-in-tooth-and-claw fury you attack your enemies. We've forgotten that. It seems like we never knew it. Establishment Republicans are using Trump, as usual, as a proxy for their favorite past-time, which is calling their fellow Republicans crude, simplistic, dumb, and uneducated. On the other hand, Trump supporters continue to blow off facts, like the fact that Trump is, by personal description, not just pro-choice but very pro-choice, so much in fact he's proudly against banning even partial birth abortion, and has long been pro-total-amnesty for 30 million illegals, and in fact continues to hold that position (he'll build a wall like you wouldn't believe, and also amnesty those already here like you wouldn't believe), and also said that Obama's bailouts saved us from a depression in 2010, and that he would "hire" Obama. A major compliment from the guy who "hires" a bright apprentice every few years. And on the other side all I hear is: "But he's angry. He's angry." Well: So f***ing what? Is the only thing that matters Emotional Mirroring -- a candidate pretending to feel the same things we do? We seem to have a major cleavage here between those looking for emotional validation and those who at least to pretend that they're looking for substantive commitments. Now, to be honest, I think the people looking for substance are also emotional -- everything in life is emotion; even mathematicians speak of the beauty of a proof -- but they're at least trying to give a factual sheen to their position. And this gets to be a very heated thing, because the emotion-release people hate being told that's what they are (and the Establishment loves, loves saying that, as they pretend to be only interested in positions and facts). But look, at some point, you have a guy who is a textbook hard-left liberal claiming he's "angry" about shit and suddenly he's the Great Conservative Hope, and how can this be credited as anything except an expression of pure emotionalism? To be honest, I would vote for Trump. Like myself, he's pro-choice. And I would vote for almost anyone over Hillary Clinton or the admittedly-socialist Bernie Sanders. But the people who are up in arms in Trump devotion -- why is it wrong, suddenly, to oppose a pro-partial-birth-abortion, pro-total-amnesty, Hillary-donating, crony-capitalist buffoon? Please stop telling me "he's angry." Who the f*** is not angry?Comments
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Firstest with the mostest?
Posted by: Zombie N.B. Forrest at July 14, 2015 03:18 PM (/Ho8c)
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I give up
Posted by: Guy who gave up at July 14, 2015 03:18 PM (BjKDP)
Posted by: imp at July 14, 2015 03:18 PM (XIXZz)
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"But look, at some point, you have a guy who is a textbook liberal
claiming he's "angry" about shit and suddenly he's the Great
Conservative Hope..."
I keep saying this: the best we could hope for out of Donald Trump is Bloomberg on a national scale.
claiming he's "angry" about shit and suddenly he's the Great
Conservative Hope..."
I keep saying this: the best we could hope for out of Donald Trump is Bloomberg on a national scale.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 14, 2015 03:19 PM (Kucy5)
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Zombie is foist, zombies everywhere well...eat people.
Posted by: Guy who gave up at July 14, 2015 03:19 PM (BjKDP)
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I don't like Trump but I will not attack him. And besides he is right about the illegals.
Posted by: Vic Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 14, 2015 03:20 PM (GpgJl)
Posted by: The Islamic Republic of Iran at July 14, 2015 03:20 PM (WDCYi)
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ace, I could be wrong, but I don't think you're framing this correctly.
I haven't heard too many people say, "Trump is a conservative, I want him as my nominee!"
What I have heard is "Hey, assholes! Why does the R establishment go after someone like Trump much more viciously then going after, say, Obama? You say he's fundamentally unserious and a joke and makes us all look bad? Why? Because he doesn't give a shit what the media says?"
In other words, i could be wrong, but it seems more like people are defending Trumps methods from an incredibly onslaught from the R's then trumpeting Trump as some kind of conservative hero.
I haven't heard too many people say, "Trump is a conservative, I want him as my nominee!"
What I have heard is "Hey, assholes! Why does the R establishment go after someone like Trump much more viciously then going after, say, Obama? You say he's fundamentally unserious and a joke and makes us all look bad? Why? Because he doesn't give a shit what the media says?"
In other words, i could be wrong, but it seems more like people are defending Trumps methods from an incredibly onslaught from the R's then trumpeting Trump as some kind of conservative hero.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 14, 2015 03:20 PM (AkOaV)
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Please remain calm, rational and above all moderate as the country and our future plummet into the abyss.
Posted by: tsj017 at July 14, 2015 03:20 PM (gmOm6)
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I'm so angry at the Democrats I'm gonna vote for a Hillary donor as the GOP nominee...
Posted by: Low Information Voter Who Heard Some Shit Somewhere at July 14, 2015 03:21 PM (Kucy5)
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To be honest, I would vote for Trump.
To be honest, Trump won't get the nod.
BUT, he IS forcing everyone to confront the illegal alien issue.
To be honest, Trump won't get the nod.
BUT, he IS forcing everyone to confront the illegal alien issue.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2015 03:21 PM (S9U/P)
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You picked a good time to reaffirm your pro-choiceness
Posted by: W at July 14, 2015 03:21 PM (EpeBG)
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I don't believe anyone.
Posted by: Guy who gave up also doesn't believe anyone at July 14, 2015 03:21 PM (BjKDP)
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6 I don't like Trump but I will not attack him. And besides he is right about the illegals.
Posted by: Vic Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 14, 2015 03:20 PM (GpgJl)
*keys throat mic*
Two.
Posted by: Vic Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 14, 2015 03:20 PM (GpgJl)
*keys throat mic*
Two.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Proud Member of the Muscular Upper Lower Beer Drinking Class at July 14, 2015 03:21 PM (/gQcK)
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Think of Trump as a sort of a challenge phrase: You know all you need to know about the pol by how they respond.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 14, 2015 03:21 PM (2l5vw)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 14, 2015 03:21 PM (W5DcG)
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Who the f*** is not angry?
The Chamber of Commerce, the RNC, and the other 200 candidates running.
The Chamber of Commerce, the RNC, and the other 200 candidates running.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 14, 2015 03:22 PM (zVr6t)
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I'm not a big fan of Jeb!, for example, but I do defend him when R's attack him for saying "people need to work more hours"
Why? Because that's dishonest. That's not what he meant, or really what he said.
And I'm not in the mood to LIE about someone like Jeb! just because I dislike him.
I dislike lying more then I dislike Jeb!
Why? Because that's dishonest. That's not what he meant, or really what he said.
And I'm not in the mood to LIE about someone like Jeb! just because I dislike him.
I dislike lying more then I dislike Jeb!
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 14, 2015 03:22 PM (AkOaV)
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If Trump wins the nomination I won't be voting, so who gives a shit?
Posted by: packsoldier at July 14, 2015 03:22 PM (8T8H7)
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>>>Who the f*** is not angry?
Dunno about you guys, but we had a pretty good day.
Posted by: The Islamic Republic of Iran at July 14, 2015 03:20 PM (WDCYi)
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Same.
>>>Who the f*** is not angry?
Dunno about you guys, but we had a pretty good day.
Posted by: The Islamic Republic of Iran at July 14, 2015 03:20 PM (WDCYi)
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Same.
Posted by: Obama & Company at July 14, 2015 03:22 PM (9VLhN)
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Limbaugh is an idiot sometimes.
The little bit I get to listen to him these days, he seems to be all over how brave Trump is.. fuck both of 'em..
Trump would get bored with being President in about 3 weeks... but only after the yuuuuge inauguration balls where Melanoma his wife wears a different million dollar gown to each ball.
The little bit I get to listen to him these days, he seems to be all over how brave Trump is.. fuck both of 'em..
Trump would get bored with being President in about 3 weeks... but only after the yuuuuge inauguration balls where Melanoma his wife wears a different million dollar gown to each ball.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 14, 2015 03:22 PM (so+oy)
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>>>
What I have heard is "Hey, assholes! Why does the R establishment go after someone like Trump much more viciously then going after, say, Obama? You say he's fundamentally unserious and a joke and makes us all look bad? Why? Because he doesn't give a shit what the media says?"
the answer is: Trump is an Obama Democrat. The reason people go after him more is that he, unlike Obama, is seeking the Republican nomination.
What I have heard is "Hey, assholes! Why does the R establishment go after someone like Trump much more viciously then going after, say, Obama? You say he's fundamentally unserious and a joke and makes us all look bad? Why? Because he doesn't give a shit what the media says?"
the answer is: Trump is an Obama Democrat. The reason people go after him more is that he, unlike Obama, is seeking the Republican nomination.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:22 PM (bhepQ)
Posted by: 13times at July 14, 2015 03:22 PM (WHVu+)
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Let me ask this then -- If TFG, Hillary, every other politician on the planet can 'have a change of heart', why can't Trump?
He ain't flip flopping any worse than they do. (recalls RR, D to R, Crist, R to D, etc. etc. etc.)
He ain't flip flopping any worse than they do. (recalls RR, D to R, Crist, R to D, etc. etc. etc.)
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 14, 2015 03:22 PM (89Bju)
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It is the political offseason. Which political creeper are you? Biden? Sanders? Hillary?
Posted by: Humongous Ears at July 14, 2015 03:23 PM (7wyDO)
Posted by: Bruce Banner at July 14, 2015 03:23 PM (3ZtZW)
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Rush should really be saying don't bash his supporters,
Posted by: ron at July 14, 2015 03:23 PM (xytVe)
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He notes the difference between attacks made against allies and attacks made against enemies. He's kind of saying what I said last week, at least about the part where you can't attack your allies with the red-in-tooth-and-claw fury you attack your enemies.
Trump has been brutal in his attacks on Jeb and Perry.
He notes the difference between attacks made against allies and attacks made against enemies. He's kind of saying what I said last week, at least about the part where you can't attack your allies with the red-in-tooth-and-claw fury you attack your enemies.
Trump has been brutal in his attacks on Jeb and Perry.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 03:23 PM (JtwS4)
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>>>BUT, he IS forcing everyone to confront the illegal alien issue.
not sure i agree.
the way the left wins on the immigration issue is to not deal with it, by making it radioactive, and trump seems to be playing right into that.
not sure i agree.
the way the left wins on the immigration issue is to not deal with it, by making it radioactive, and trump seems to be playing right into that.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:23 PM (bhepQ)
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10 I'm so angry at the Democrats I'm gonna vote for a Hillary donor as the GOP nominee...
Posted by: Low Information Voter Who Heard Some Shit Somewhere at July 14, 2015 03:21 PM (Kucy5)
Again. Attacks like this are why people get that visceral urge to defend Trump.
THE MAN NEEDED PERMITS TO BUILD HIS GAUDY BUILDINGS SO HE DONATED TO DEMS TO GREASE THEIR PALMS AND GET HIS BUILDINGS APPROVED. ITS AN INDICTMENT OF HILLARY AND THE DEM MACHINE, NOT OF TRUMP, WHO WAS DOING WHAT ANY OF US WOULD HAVE DONE.
These tactics of "otherizing" people only work on LIVs. It's insulting when I'm treated like a LIV.
Posted by: Low Information Voter Who Heard Some Shit Somewhere at July 14, 2015 03:21 PM (Kucy5)
Again. Attacks like this are why people get that visceral urge to defend Trump.
THE MAN NEEDED PERMITS TO BUILD HIS GAUDY BUILDINGS SO HE DONATED TO DEMS TO GREASE THEIR PALMS AND GET HIS BUILDINGS APPROVED. ITS AN INDICTMENT OF HILLARY AND THE DEM MACHINE, NOT OF TRUMP, WHO WAS DOING WHAT ANY OF US WOULD HAVE DONE.
These tactics of "otherizing" people only work on LIVs. It's insulting when I'm treated like a LIV.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 14, 2015 03:23 PM (AkOaV)
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I was born angry, so meh.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 14, 2015 03:24 PM (2Ojst)
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oh.. and one more thing.. once he becomes bored with being a candidate, he's gonna pull out and he will turn so fast on the other nominees your head will spin.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 14, 2015 03:24 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: eleven at July 14, 2015 03:24 PM (IPzoI)
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He's right. You can disagree with a fellow Republican but you should never savage one.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 14, 2015 03:24 PM (+b+iY)
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In the last months I have discovered that there are many so-called conservatives who are just as ignorant and lemming-like as the worst of the progressive idiots we rail against.
I love what Trump is saying about illegals. But I hate what he is saying about:
1. Abortion
2. Gun control
3. Government interference in private life (Kelo)
4. Amnesty
But I have to ignore all of that because Trump is correct on ONE issue?
Lindsey Graham is saying all the right things about Iran. I think I'll support him!
I love what Trump is saying about illegals. But I hate what he is saying about:
1. Abortion
2. Gun control
3. Government interference in private life (Kelo)
4. Amnesty
But I have to ignore all of that because Trump is correct on ONE issue?
Lindsey Graham is saying all the right things about Iran. I think I'll support him!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2015 03:24 PM (Zu3d9)
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Everyone is angry.
EVERYONE!!!!!!
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=gary+oldman+angry& FORM=HDRSC3#view=detail&mid=487E5E4616C2D1D7594D487E5E4616C2D1D7594D
Everyone is angry.
EVERYONE!!!!!!
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=gary+oldman+angry& FORM=HDRSC3#view=detail&mid=487E5E4616C2D1D7594D487E5E4616C2D1D7594D
Posted by: imp at July 14, 2015 03:24 PM (XIXZz)
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Trump is a snake oil salesman, nothing more. Never forget that.
Posted by: maddogg at July 14, 2015 03:25 PM (xWW96)
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I'm definitely angry, and with that anger, I nominate The Donald as the new model for the Flaming Skull with comb-over attachment for effect.
I'm definitely angry, and with that anger, I nominate The Donald as the new model for the Flaming Skull with comb-over attachment for effect.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at July 14, 2015 03:25 PM (P330y)
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the answer is: Trump is an Obama Democrat. The reason people go after him more is that he, unlike Obama, is seeking the Republican nomination.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:22 PM (bhepQ)
Okay, but that's not what the attacks were about (originally at least).
They were about "The Donald said something so offensive that this kind of language cannot be acceptable in polite society. He said that some of the illegal immigrants might be rapists. Can you imagine? What a racist!"
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:22 PM (bhepQ)
Okay, but that's not what the attacks were about (originally at least).
They were about "The Donald said something so offensive that this kind of language cannot be acceptable in polite society. He said that some of the illegal immigrants might be rapists. Can you imagine? What a racist!"
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 14, 2015 03:25 PM (AkOaV)
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I'm just a wee bit pissed.
Posted by: Killerdog at July 14, 2015 03:26 PM (KBZ5e)
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Major Cleavage, reporting for duty, Sir!
Posted by: Kate Upton at July 14, 2015 03:26 PM (2cS/G)
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37 Trump is a snake oil salesman, nothing more. Never forget that.
Posted by: maddogg at July 14, 2015 03:25 PM (xWW96)
Right. And that's 100% true.
I would highly discourage people from voting for him.
BUT to attack positions that many in our party hold so viciously is... counter productive.
If the GOPe thinks trump is such a showman clown... then let him implode on his own.
No need to impugn his semi-supporters or impugn him.
Posted by: maddogg at July 14, 2015 03:25 PM (xWW96)
Right. And that's 100% true.
I would highly discourage people from voting for him.
BUT to attack positions that many in our party hold so viciously is... counter productive.
If the GOPe thinks trump is such a showman clown... then let him implode on his own.
No need to impugn his semi-supporters or impugn him.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 14, 2015 03:26 PM (AkOaV)
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Why is it wrong to oppose Trump? Because Trump is saying things that make the establishment mad. The establishment has said mean things about conservatives.*
If anybody says mean things about the establishment then they get support from conservatives because conservatives have been hurt and want their own sweet, sweet, VENGEANCE!!!!!!!!!!
So yay Trump.
*i.e., "whacko birds"
If anybody says mean things about the establishment then they get support from conservatives because conservatives have been hurt and want their own sweet, sweet, VENGEANCE!!!!!!!!!!
So yay Trump.
*i.e., "whacko birds"
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 14, 2015 03:26 PM (hLRSq)
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If Trump can be a staunch conservative today then i can be a chick today and go into the HS girls locker room. Wait...can i do that?
Posted by: Badda Bing at July 14, 2015 03:26 PM (BjKDP)
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Bash em all if they deserve it. I've had it with this PC BS dammit. Why should we have to hold back on what we want to say especially if it's the truth.
Posted by: freaked at July 14, 2015 03:26 PM (KvWlw)
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Bash em all if they deserve it. I've had it with this PC BS dammit. Why should we have to hold back on what we want to say especially if it's the truth.
Posted by: freaked at July 14, 2015 03:26 PM (KvWlw)
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>>>They were about "The Donald said something so offensive that this kind of language cannot be acceptable in polite society. He said that some of the illegal immigrants might be rapists. Can you imagine? What a racist!"
if you don't think that saying of an entire class of people, " They're rapists," can be plausibly attacked as racist, I would suggest you need to adjust your racial sensitivity controls.
I don't think he meant that... but the people claiming "That's not racist?"
I don't know what to say to you. Yes, branding an entire group of people -- no exceptions -- as "rapists" is pretty much a textbook racist statement.
if you don't think that saying of an entire class of people, " They're rapists," can be plausibly attacked as racist, I would suggest you need to adjust your racial sensitivity controls.
I don't think he meant that... but the people claiming "That's not racist?"
I don't know what to say to you. Yes, branding an entire group of people -- no exceptions -- as "rapists" is pretty much a textbook racist statement.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:26 PM (bhepQ)
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"Should be win"???
Does anyone actually believe that there's a non-zero chance of this happening?
Allow me to re-state the blindingly obvious: Trump has exactly no chance. None. Zero.
Does anyone actually believe that there's a non-zero chance of this happening?
Allow me to re-state the blindingly obvious: Trump has exactly no chance. None. Zero.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 14, 2015 03:27 PM (plsiE)
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>But look, at some point, you have a guy who is a textbook liberal claiming he's "angry" about shit and suddenly he's the Great Conservative Hope, and how can this be credited as anything except an expression of pure emotionalism?
Who's saying he's the great conservative hope? People are complimenting Trump's words and his stance regarding those words. If there are people saying that Trump has proven he's a fantastic president and a true conservative through and through with these words, they're wrong and I'll say as much. So would, I think, many of the people complimenting him right now.
This isn't about mere cathartic emotion, though that's part of it. It's also about self-respect, pride, morale and cultural war. It is an unabashed positive to have someone actually resisting the culture on a point like this - one which many Republicans (and many religious leaders, for that matter) really just want desperately to give up on once and for all.
This isn't about a cleavage between people 'looking for emotional release', savages that they're implied to be, and the smart and practical people 'looking for commitments'. It's about people who actually are cared about the cultural war that's been waged on conservatives for years, and people who - despite saying they're conservative - are just hoping that the social conservatives lose once and for all, because they've never been on board with them anyway but they needed their votes or support now and then.
>And on the other side all I hear is: "But he's angry. He's angry."
No, that's all you want to hear. People have talked about his willingness to not back down, his willingness to fight and actually meaningfully act as if it really should be acceptable to point out 'Hey, that porous border of ours, it brings in crime. And not every illegal immigrant is a soon-to-be doctor with a great record. Quite a number are, in fact, undesirable.'
You say you and I support the same policies, Ace. Okay. Then here's a possibility: maybe your attitude is a losing strategy, and maybe Trump - for all his many faults - did something important and positive here. You look at Trump, aghast, because he's saying things people will call *racist*, and seem to believe your model - you know, saying 'Hey, white people, blacks are going to really hate you for a while because of that shooting. Don't be upset with them. Just accept it and deal with it, and don't answer back' in essence - is the superior one.
It ain't compelling.
Who's saying he's the great conservative hope? People are complimenting Trump's words and his stance regarding those words. If there are people saying that Trump has proven he's a fantastic president and a true conservative through and through with these words, they're wrong and I'll say as much. So would, I think, many of the people complimenting him right now.
This isn't about mere cathartic emotion, though that's part of it. It's also about self-respect, pride, morale and cultural war. It is an unabashed positive to have someone actually resisting the culture on a point like this - one which many Republicans (and many religious leaders, for that matter) really just want desperately to give up on once and for all.
This isn't about a cleavage between people 'looking for emotional release', savages that they're implied to be, and the smart and practical people 'looking for commitments'. It's about people who actually are cared about the cultural war that's been waged on conservatives for years, and people who - despite saying they're conservative - are just hoping that the social conservatives lose once and for all, because they've never been on board with them anyway but they needed their votes or support now and then.
>And on the other side all I hear is: "But he's angry. He's angry."
No, that's all you want to hear. People have talked about his willingness to not back down, his willingness to fight and actually meaningfully act as if it really should be acceptable to point out 'Hey, that porous border of ours, it brings in crime. And not every illegal immigrant is a soon-to-be doctor with a great record. Quite a number are, in fact, undesirable.'
You say you and I support the same policies, Ace. Okay. Then here's a possibility: maybe your attitude is a losing strategy, and maybe Trump - for all his many faults - did something important and positive here. You look at Trump, aghast, because he's saying things people will call *racist*, and seem to believe your model - you know, saying 'Hey, white people, blacks are going to really hate you for a while because of that shooting. Don't be upset with them. Just accept it and deal with it, and don't answer back' in essence - is the superior one.
It ain't compelling.
Posted by: Crude at July 14, 2015 03:27 PM (DUynq)
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The party is riven!
Posted by: Serious Cat at July 14, 2015 03:27 PM (UypUQ)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 14, 2015 03:27 PM (8ZskC)
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44 If Trump can be a staunch conservative today then i can be a chick today and go into the HS girls locker room. Wait...can i do that?
Posted by: Badda Bing at July 14, 2015 03:26 PM (BjKDP)
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I've learned to embrace my trans-gender identity as just go for it. I was born male, but identify as a lesbian.
Posted by: Badda Bing at July 14, 2015 03:26 PM (BjKDP)
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I've learned to embrace my trans-gender identity as just go for it. I was born male, but identify as a lesbian.
Posted by: Community Organizer at July 14, 2015 03:27 PM (9VLhN)
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And bash the hell out of the Hildabeast too. If anyone deserves it she does. Any candidate who will do that will at least get my attention.
Posted by: freaked at July 14, 2015 03:28 PM (KvWlw)
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Trump want to show his quality, then let him bring the midget murderer Mexican drug lord to judgement. Not before the worthless Mexican justice system, but before God.
Posted by: maddogg at July 14, 2015 03:28 PM (xWW96)
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I was told there was a cleavage thread here?
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2015 03:28 PM (6xtq3)
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Ahem.
BC and I discuss this in the newest podcast. Go. Listen. Shoo.
Here's a sampler.
I think Trump is an idiot and a buffoon and a carnival barker. The only way I would maybe, maybe, maybe vote for him is to vote against Hillary. So it cannot remotely be claimed that I am a Trump supporter.
All of that being said, if anyone, any single person at all, is surprised at the rise of Trump, well, welcome to all of recorded human history and, frankly, all of human history before that.
The serious parties have had 30+ years to deal with serious problems in a serious manner. They have failed. Utterly. Utterly and completely.
Each and every time that occurs, a demagogue will rise. Every. Single. Time.
Well, here we are.
Here's the other thing, I do not for one single solitary second believe that those who are all sneering and nasty about those who support Trump are doing so from a place of reason. Right. Sure. Uh huh. This is my believey face.
The Establishment et al has shat in the mouths of the base for decades and now is shocked when the base is smearing the shit all over their face.
Consequences most certainly are a right bitch, now, aren't they?
BC and I discuss this in the newest podcast. Go. Listen. Shoo.
Here's a sampler.
I think Trump is an idiot and a buffoon and a carnival barker. The only way I would maybe, maybe, maybe vote for him is to vote against Hillary. So it cannot remotely be claimed that I am a Trump supporter.
All of that being said, if anyone, any single person at all, is surprised at the rise of Trump, well, welcome to all of recorded human history and, frankly, all of human history before that.
The serious parties have had 30+ years to deal with serious problems in a serious manner. They have failed. Utterly. Utterly and completely.
Each and every time that occurs, a demagogue will rise. Every. Single. Time.
Well, here we are.
Here's the other thing, I do not for one single solitary second believe that those who are all sneering and nasty about those who support Trump are doing so from a place of reason. Right. Sure. Uh huh. This is my believey face.
The Establishment et al has shat in the mouths of the base for decades and now is shocked when the base is smearing the shit all over their face.
Consequences most certainly are a right bitch, now, aren't they?
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 14, 2015 03:28 PM (mf5HN)
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So he too is an amnesty loving liar? I had not seen that. I always knew he was an opportunist and not a real Republican. But didn't know all that other stuff.
So what choice have we got now? The GOPe is now and aider and abetter of treason and they hate conservatives.
I guess SMOD is out choice now, or revelations. We truly are in the end times.
So what choice have we got now? The GOPe is now and aider and abetter of treason and they hate conservatives.
I guess SMOD is out choice now, or revelations. We truly are in the end times.
Posted by: Vic Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 14, 2015 03:28 PM (GpgJl)
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Look, I'm not Trump supporter. But what I DO like is he is making some very bold statements that are changing the conversation of the candidates. It is putting them on a spot - very early in this electoral process. And the statements he is making are resonating to many many people. Should he gather a not-insignificant following, perhaps the other candidates will have an epiphany.
Let Trump drive the conversation. What has he got to lose? Support from the GOP/RNC/PACs? With the resources available to him - he can self fund.
Will he be on the ballot? Probably only as a 3rd party candidate. But he will make the GOPe/RNC/PACs nervous - and is that a bad thing?
Let Trump drive the conversation. What has he got to lose? Support from the GOP/RNC/PACs? With the resources available to him - he can self fund.
Will he be on the ballot? Probably only as a 3rd party candidate. But he will make the GOPe/RNC/PACs nervous - and is that a bad thing?
Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at July 14, 2015 03:28 PM (DlmoZ)
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Trump isn't forcing any fk'n issues.
The media have an easy work-free gig with trump as a supposed "respectable" opposition candidate.
The whole thing is a put-up job.
The media have an easy work-free gig with trump as a supposed "respectable" opposition candidate.
The whole thing is a put-up job.
Posted by: 13times at July 14, 2015 03:28 PM (WHVu+)
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Oppose him, support him, whatever. He's not the Nom but he is a harbinger. So's Bernie. Don't think Ideologies or Ideologues, but Populism and anger. Loyalties to principles are not what counts, but how many rabid supporters one can drum up how fast.
Posted by: Bigby's Hand of Glory at July 14, 2015 03:28 PM (3ZtZW)
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Extremist Mr. Limbaugh has some nerve. His extreme, hateful diatribes on the radio are precisely the reason why my Republican party loses elections.
As for Mr. Trump, I used to like his bi-partisan views on some issues, and I enjoyed his TV program. Unfortunately, his bigoted, anti-immigrant rants have made him repulsive to voters.
As for Mr. Trump, I used to like his bi-partisan views on some issues, and I enjoyed his TV program. Unfortunately, his bigoted, anti-immigrant rants have made him repulsive to voters.
Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at July 14, 2015 03:28 PM (Ui7Rt)
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He's right. You can disagree with a fellow Republican but you should never savage one.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 14, 2015 03:24 PM (+b+iY)
....and then present your own ideas. Libs never ever go after each other.
He's right. You can disagree with a fellow Republican but you should never savage one.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 14, 2015 03:24 PM (+b+iY)
....and then present your own ideas. Libs never ever go after each other.
Posted by: Badda Bing at July 14, 2015 03:28 PM (BjKDP)
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I'm sort of flabbergasted you proudly embrace the "pro-choice" label on the day that PP was just shown to be trafficking in the organs from aborted babies and bragging about how they openly flaunt the federal law against partial birth abortions.
I know this is the type of comment that may get me banned, but so be it.
I know this is the type of comment that may get me banned, but so be it.
Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2015 03:29 PM (MYCIw)
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You'll get: resigned ennui
Remember when President Malaise was the worst thing that had happened to the US?
Good times.
You'll get: resigned ennui
Remember when President Malaise was the worst thing that had happened to the US?
Good times.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 03:29 PM (JtwS4)
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>>>Bash em all if they deserve it. I've had it with this PC BS dammit. Why should we have to hold back on what we want to say especially if it's the truth.
there are three types of conservatives:
1. Conservatives who admit racism, but note that many claims of it are fake outrage designed to exert control.
2. Conservatives who claim that, pretty much, there simply is no racism at all, at least none that needs to be addressed at a political level.
3. Conservatives who are actually racist and don't think things can be "racist" per say because racism is, basically, truth.
I don't think we ever quite have this discussion, and I think there's a lot of wasted words, because we're avoiding the real discussion -- and the real discussion is about which one of those above three propositions you subscribe to.
I'm a "1." Of course there's racism. Duh.
What about every one else?
there are three types of conservatives:
1. Conservatives who admit racism, but note that many claims of it are fake outrage designed to exert control.
2. Conservatives who claim that, pretty much, there simply is no racism at all, at least none that needs to be addressed at a political level.
3. Conservatives who are actually racist and don't think things can be "racist" per say because racism is, basically, truth.
I don't think we ever quite have this discussion, and I think there's a lot of wasted words, because we're avoiding the real discussion -- and the real discussion is about which one of those above three propositions you subscribe to.
I'm a "1." Of course there's racism. Duh.
What about every one else?
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:29 PM (bhepQ)
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Like as not, it's not *just* that he's angry, it's that he comes across as being willing to actually act on that anger, as opposed to the Right's traditional tactics when angered, the sum total of which are, in no real order:
1. Surrender
2. Collaborate
3. Fellate, then present
4. Present, then fellate
5. Do nothing, but loudly proclaim that this is the last, the very, very fucking last, straw
6. And this time, we really, really mean it
For decades of this, all while lying to our faces about it, the Establishment has lost the mandate of heaven.
1. Surrender
2. Collaborate
3. Fellate, then present
4. Present, then fellate
5. Do nothing, but loudly proclaim that this is the last, the very, very fucking last, straw
6. And this time, we really, really mean it
For decades of this, all while lying to our faces about it, the Establishment has lost the mandate of heaven.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 14, 2015 03:29 PM (amQXf)
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>>>I'm sort of flabbergasted you proudly embrace the "pro-choice" label on the day that PP was just shown to be trafficking in the organs from aborted babies and bragging about how they openly flaunt the federal law against partial birth abortions.
I know this is the type of comment that may get me banned, but so be it.
...
you must be flabbergasted a lot.
I know this is the type of comment that may get me banned, but so be it.
...
you must be flabbergasted a lot.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:30 PM (bhepQ)
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Anger is an absolutely normal reaction to irrational, irresponsible and damaging behavior.
Progs/SJW's only demonize their enemie's anger, never their own or the anger of thugs and criminals , who might hurt them.
The GOPe has adopted this behavior and now is angry at the base and Trump because they know that in the end , they will not hurt them.
Progs/SJW's only demonize their enemie's anger, never their own or the anger of thugs and criminals , who might hurt them.
The GOPe has adopted this behavior and now is angry at the base and Trump because they know that in the end , they will not hurt them.
Posted by: some random meathead at July 14, 2015 03:30 PM (bgKZk)
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It's possible, Lauren, that Ace doesn't know that. I just read about it on "Legal Insurrection"
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2015 03:30 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 03:30 PM (OLNwX)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 03:30 PM (JtwS4)
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Would you PLEASE implement discus so that we can have a 2004-2005 comment system here, please. This 1994 one sucks and really detracts from the site.
Posted by: MC Slammer at July 14, 2015 03:31 PM (eKIg1)
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THE MAN NEEDED PERMITS TO BUILD HIS GAUDY BUILDINGS SO HE DONATED TO DEMS TO GREASE THEIR PALMS AND GET HIS BUILDINGS APPROVED. ITS AN INDICTMENT OF HILLARY AND THE DEM MACHINE, NOT OF TRUMP, WHO WAS DOING WHAT ANY OF US WOULD HAVE DONE.
All true. That was the first thing that came to mind when all this Trump donates to (D)Marxsts stuff comes up.
Who runs the cities with an iron fist? Trump doesn't slap up towers in Bugtussle, TN.
Look at the donor lists of the Wall Street Biggies. Who really controls Wall Street?
It's not the Republicans. It hasn't been in almost 80 years, if it ever really was.
All true. That was the first thing that came to mind when all this Trump donates to (D)Marxsts stuff comes up.
Who runs the cities with an iron fist? Trump doesn't slap up towers in Bugtussle, TN.
Look at the donor lists of the Wall Street Biggies. Who really controls Wall Street?
It's not the Republicans. It hasn't been in almost 80 years, if it ever really was.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Proud Member of the Muscular Upper Lower Beer Drinking Class at July 14, 2015 03:31 PM (/gQcK)
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Who is angry at the nuclear-suicidal Iranians?
Who is angry at Obama the War monger? (present company excluded)
No one, no one.
Who is angry at Obama the War monger? (present company excluded)
No one, no one.
Posted by: some random meathead at July 14, 2015 03:31 PM (bgKZk)
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>>>No, that's all you want to hear. People have talked about his willingness to not back down, his willingness to fight and actually meaningfully act as if it really should be acceptable to point out 'Hey, that porous border of ours, it brings in crime. And not every illegal immigrant is a soon-to-be doctor with a great record. Quite a number are, in fact, undesirable.'
when the f*** has this clown NOT backed down in the past?
On the birther issue?
On everything else, he has backed down and done what every member of the Corporate/Comfortable Class does -- adopt the hard-left position as the position of convenience.
when the f*** has this clown NOT backed down in the past?
On the birther issue?
On everything else, he has backed down and done what every member of the Corporate/Comfortable Class does -- adopt the hard-left position as the position of convenience.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:31 PM (bhepQ)
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What about every one else?
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:29 PM (bhepQ)
Between 1 and 2.
There is racism, but real racism (or, racial superiority if you will) is fairly rare in "polite society," and we only exacerbate it and give racists and race grievance types more oxygen by politicizing it.
anyways, I'm out.
Work and all that.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:29 PM (bhepQ)
Between 1 and 2.
There is racism, but real racism (or, racial superiority if you will) is fairly rare in "polite society," and we only exacerbate it and give racists and race grievance types more oxygen by politicizing it.
anyways, I'm out.
Work and all that.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 14, 2015 03:32 PM (AkOaV)
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Trump is saying the things about illegal aliens we all wish the other candidates would say.
Trump is ignoring the MFM and corporate threats just like we wish the other candidates would ignore them.
Trump speaks directly to people like we wish the other candidates would speak.
That's why people are liking Trump right now.
Trump is ignoring the MFM and corporate threats just like we wish the other candidates would ignore them.
Trump speaks directly to people like we wish the other candidates would speak.
That's why people are liking Trump right now.
Posted by: Soona at July 14, 2015 03:32 PM (P25Hh)
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Jesus Christ, I'm having 2008 flashbacks.
Here's everyone talking past each other, again, focusing on the messenger and not the message, again. And again being told that we must concede yet another Democrat wedge issue because it's icky, unpleasant and makes illegal Hispanics hate us. Surely, they'd vote GOP in droves if nobody ever pointed out the obvious downsides to allowing the new Mariel boatlift to happen unimpeded!
Here's everyone talking past each other, again, focusing on the messenger and not the message, again. And again being told that we must concede yet another Democrat wedge issue because it's icky, unpleasant and makes illegal Hispanics hate us. Surely, they'd vote GOP in droves if nobody ever pointed out the obvious downsides to allowing the new Mariel boatlift to happen unimpeded!
Posted by: Squishy at July 14, 2015 03:32 PM (44OyV)
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Lauren, as I stick my nose in uninvited, I don't think Ace is endorsing Trump's position, just stating it. I agree that today's news should have every pro-abortion American doing some serious soul-searching.
Posted by: Kate Upton at July 14, 2015 03:32 PM (2cS/G)
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>>>It's possible, Lauren, that Ace doesn't know that. I just read about it on "Legal Insurrection"
no i've been baiting ben smith about it all day on twitter.
no i've been baiting ben smith about it all day on twitter.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:32 PM (bhepQ)
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I think Crude and AtC gave excellent responses.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2015 03:32 PM (OSs/l)
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the answer is: Trump is an Obama Democrat. The reason people go after him more is that he, unlike Obama, is seeking the Republican nomination.
Posted by: ace
He might very well be doing this to help Hilary.
I've seen no proof that perot meant to help Clinton. And yet that is exactly the primary result of both of his runs.
If Trump stays in, and especially if he tries an independent shot, what other result is likely?
No one has even tried to determine why Trump ran oh so briefly in 2012. We ave no friggin clue why he's doing. Sadly, his personality, self funding and name recognition put him miles above and beyond everyone currently running.
And to be fair, we don't know why half of THEM are running.
Posted by: ace
He might very well be doing this to help Hilary.
I've seen no proof that perot meant to help Clinton. And yet that is exactly the primary result of both of his runs.
If Trump stays in, and especially if he tries an independent shot, what other result is likely?
No one has even tried to determine why Trump ran oh so briefly in 2012. We ave no friggin clue why he's doing. Sadly, his personality, self funding and name recognition put him miles above and beyond everyone currently running.
And to be fair, we don't know why half of THEM are running.
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 14, 2015 03:32 PM (Spluw)
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I don't like Trump but I will not attack him. And besides he is right about the illegals. Posted by: Vic Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 14, 2015 03:20 PM
What the people who are so hot to tear down Trump forget, IMO, is that many of his "supporters" -- that would include me -- are not particularly favoring the man, but his message.
Anyone who speaks clearly about what he thinks is as rare as friggin' hen's teeth these days. Most "Republican" wannabe candidates appear to be afraid of such a perilous step. Someone might listen to them, and then there would be hand-wringing....
Ace, you chose to highlight the things Trump says -- or has said in the past -- that don't fit the Conservative Worldview. Which is cool, 'cause I don't much like those opinions either. But if he has changed his mind or chooses to emphasize parts of his belief (as in immigration), what's wrong with that? Scott Walker has done it too, and (again, IMO) in a much more politically calculating way. Yet Walker is the Flavor of the Month right now.
In fact, I doubt you would find one candidate who hasn't done more about-faces than a platoon going through drills.
But remember that support for Trump is neither the dream-stupefied, crotch-sniffing mewling of President Historic First'sİ devotees or the kind of political calculation of Jeb! supporters. It is, as far as I'm concerned, a case of a none-too-likeable individual telling people to face reality.
If he's around at election time and no one better has shown up, he gets my vote.
What the people who are so hot to tear down Trump forget, IMO, is that many of his "supporters" -- that would include me -- are not particularly favoring the man, but his message.
Anyone who speaks clearly about what he thinks is as rare as friggin' hen's teeth these days. Most "Republican" wannabe candidates appear to be afraid of such a perilous step. Someone might listen to them, and then there would be hand-wringing....
Ace, you chose to highlight the things Trump says -- or has said in the past -- that don't fit the Conservative Worldview. Which is cool, 'cause I don't much like those opinions either. But if he has changed his mind or chooses to emphasize parts of his belief (as in immigration), what's wrong with that? Scott Walker has done it too, and (again, IMO) in a much more politically calculating way. Yet Walker is the Flavor of the Month right now.
In fact, I doubt you would find one candidate who hasn't done more about-faces than a platoon going through drills.
But remember that support for Trump is neither the dream-stupefied, crotch-sniffing mewling of President Historic First'sİ devotees or the kind of political calculation of Jeb! supporters. It is, as far as I'm concerned, a case of a none-too-likeable individual telling people to face reality.
If he's around at election time and no one better has shown up, he gets my vote.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 14, 2015 03:33 PM (JaVx+)
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Where are the substantive commitments from the Republicans?
- renewed NCLB
- gave Obama carte blanche on the Iran deal
- ditto on trade
- done nothing on illegal immigration not to mention immigration
- done nothing on Obamacare
- ad nauseum
You know who isn't angry? The Republican leadership. They don't care. If they don't care, they'll reap the Trump whirlwind. A whirlwind you can't imagine because it will be 'uge.
I know Perry supporters talk about how he is saying the right things about immigration. He's not. He should have come out and said, "Trump's right, we need a wall and the manpower to guard it." Simple and to the point instead of the policy paper statement.
- renewed NCLB
- gave Obama carte blanche on the Iran deal
- ditto on trade
- done nothing on illegal immigration not to mention immigration
- done nothing on Obamacare
- ad nauseum
You know who isn't angry? The Republican leadership. They don't care. If they don't care, they'll reap the Trump whirlwind. A whirlwind you can't imagine because it will be 'uge.
I know Perry supporters talk about how he is saying the right things about immigration. He's not. He should have come out and said, "Trump's right, we need a wall and the manpower to guard it." Simple and to the point instead of the policy paper statement.
Posted by: WOPR at July 14, 2015 03:33 PM (nRvEn)
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you must be flabbergasted a lot.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:30 PM (bhepQ)
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The girl raises a good point.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:30 PM (bhepQ)
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The girl raises a good point.
Posted by: Community Organizer at July 14, 2015 03:33 PM (9VLhN)
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I don't think Trump is a serious candidate, but I DO think he's going to force some of the mealy-mouth homo republican candidates to stop being so goddam PC about everything, in order to get their fair share of attention.
Lord how did we get so fucked up?
Lord how did we get so fucked up?
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2015 03:33 PM (6xtq3)
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Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at July 14, 2015 03:28 PM (Ui7Rt
LOL, you could be Cloggenstein's twin sister.
LOL, you could be Cloggenstein's twin sister.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 03:33 PM (OLNwX)
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What about every one else?
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:29 PM (bhepQ)
Of course there is racism. But it is a subset of "otherism," a word I just made up (unless it's not new....).
Only when it intrudes upon the commons should it be addressed.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:29 PM (bhepQ)
Of course there is racism. But it is a subset of "otherism," a word I just made up (unless it's not new....).
Only when it intrudes upon the commons should it be addressed.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2015 03:33 PM (Zu3d9)
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As that economist said, we wouldn't have to worry so much about electing the wrong people if we had incentives in place for the wrong people to do the right thing.
As an addendum to that, certain punishment for crimes and misdemeanors could be considered incentives.
As an addendum to that, certain punishment for crimes and misdemeanors could be considered incentives.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 14, 2015 03:33 PM (XmOA9)
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Lindsey Graham is saying all the right things about Iran. I think I'll support him!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2015 03:24 PM (Zu3d9)
Lindsay is scum who voted FOR the Iran deal. Both cloture and the final bill.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2015 03:24 PM (Zu3d9)
Lindsay is scum who voted FOR the Iran deal. Both cloture and the final bill.
Posted by: Vic Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 14, 2015 03:33 PM (GpgJl)
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63 I'm sort of flabbergasted you proudly embrace the "pro-choice" label on the day that PP was just shown to be trafficking in the organs from aborted babies and bragging about how they openly flaunt the federal law against partial birth abortions.
I know this is the type of comment that may get me banned, but so be it.
Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2015 03:29 PM (MYCIw)
Kinda gave it the "Spock-eye", myself.
I know this is the type of comment that may get me banned, but so be it.
Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2015 03:29 PM (MYCIw)
Kinda gave it the "Spock-eye", myself.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Proud Member of the Muscular Upper Lower Beer Drinking Class at July 14, 2015 03:33 PM (/gQcK)
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"
you must be flabbergasted a lot. "
No, just mostly after reading about how abortionists have a specific technique to preserve the highly sought after liver for interested buyers that involves carefully crushing above and below the abdomen.
But you know, choice.
you must be flabbergasted a lot. "
No, just mostly after reading about how abortionists have a specific technique to preserve the highly sought after liver for interested buyers that involves carefully crushing above and below the abdomen.
But you know, choice.
Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2015 03:33 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at July 14, 2015 03:34 PM (HSmrB)
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At least for me, I consider the GOP to be just as much an enemy of my preferred way of life as the DNC.
As such, any entity that hurts either party is the enemy of my enemy ... and thus at least a possible friend.
So - I hope Trump keeps it up. Frankly, I hope Sanders keeps surging as well. And if they both somehow succeed in driving enough people to a third party ? All the better.
As such, any entity that hurts either party is the enemy of my enemy ... and thus at least a possible friend.
So - I hope Trump keeps it up. Frankly, I hope Sanders keeps surging as well. And if they both somehow succeed in driving enough people to a third party ? All the better.
Posted by: Sevens at July 14, 2015 03:34 PM (0HqNX)
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Seriously, is this really so hard to get? Are there some people who have been - for lack of a better word - pussified to the point where they think that the best way to fight for their values is "Never do anything people will criticize, never say anything the left will use to paint you as a racist"? That the road to electoral and cultural success is paved with apologies to the Protected Classes, fumbling explanations about how you're not a bad guy, and ceremonial attacking of anyone liberals determine to be the enemy of the day?
Look, this sort of thinking isn't completely alien to me. I've done my share of being 'concerned' over people's intemperate remarks in the past. I've self-policed and policed others for their language, conservative though they were. I've thought about and focused heavily on image, image, image for conservatives, such as it is. In my own small, pissant, comments-section-troll way.
Guess what? It doesn't fucking work. Exactly how many liberal successes do we need in order to realize that? This doesn't mean run off in the other direction and be as offensive as possible, but holy shit, the point was that Trump made the point that many people crossing the border are problematic, to put it mildly. There are criminals. There are low class people. How many hammers-to-the-head do we need before we collectively admit, he has a fucking point, and that point shouldn't be one people are ashamed to mention?
Look, this sort of thinking isn't completely alien to me. I've done my share of being 'concerned' over people's intemperate remarks in the past. I've self-policed and policed others for their language, conservative though they were. I've thought about and focused heavily on image, image, image for conservatives, such as it is. In my own small, pissant, comments-section-troll way.
Guess what? It doesn't fucking work. Exactly how many liberal successes do we need in order to realize that? This doesn't mean run off in the other direction and be as offensive as possible, but holy shit, the point was that Trump made the point that many people crossing the border are problematic, to put it mildly. There are criminals. There are low class people. How many hammers-to-the-head do we need before we collectively admit, he has a fucking point, and that point shouldn't be one people are ashamed to mention?
Posted by: Crude at July 14, 2015 03:34 PM (DUynq)
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Stacked sock off.
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 14, 2015 03:34 PM (2cS/G)
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Why would you bait someone about it and in what context?
For the record I think it's possible to support abortion in very limited circumstances and still be appalled and disgusted by the selling of fetal parts and by partial birth abortion.
For the record I think it's possible to support abortion in very limited circumstances and still be appalled and disgusted by the selling of fetal parts and by partial birth abortion.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2015 03:34 PM (OSs/l)
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Trump supporters - are you certain - I mean 100% - that when he loses he won't endorse Hillary - she's a good friend of his you know.
Posted by: duke at July 14, 2015 03:34 PM (sFggU)
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@47: "Yes, branding an entire group of people -- no exceptions -- as "rapists" is pretty much a textbook racist statement.
"
Other than the slightly problematic fact that Hispanics in general, and Mexicans, in particular, aren't a race. So yeah, pretty much textbook "not racist".
"
Other than the slightly problematic fact that Hispanics in general, and Mexicans, in particular, aren't a race. So yeah, pretty much textbook "not racist".
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 14, 2015 03:35 PM (amQXf)
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Posted by: Vic Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 14, 2015 03:33 PM (GpgJl)
Hey Vic, if you can't appreciate snark, don't respond.
Do you really think that I would support Miss Graham?
Hey Vic, if you can't appreciate snark, don't respond.
Do you really think that I would support Miss Graham?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2015 03:35 PM (Zu3d9)
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there are three types of conservatives: 1. Conservatives who admit racism, but note that many claims of it are fake outrage designed to exert control. 2. Conservatives who claim that, pretty much, there simply is no racism at all, at least none that needs to be addressed at a political level. 3. Conservatives who are actually racist and don't think things can be "racist" per say because racism is, basically, truth. I don't think we ever quite have this discussion, and I think there's a lot of wasted words, because we're avoiding the real discussion -- and the real discussion is about which one of those above three propositions you subscribe to. I'm a "1." Of course there's racism. Duh. What about every one else?
Posted by: ace
my vote: #1 and2 are not mutually exclusive.
Posted by: ace
my vote: #1 and2 are not mutually exclusive.
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 14, 2015 03:35 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 14, 2015 03:35 PM (2l5vw)
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There is racism but usually it is mis-idenitified. To deny there is no racism would be like saying it's not dark at night.
I'm not a racist because I can see that people from all races can achieve the highest levels of success. The thing that holds most people back is their culture and what I like to call a SFA. (Sh***y F'n Attitude)
I'm not a racist because I can see that people from all races can achieve the highest levels of success. The thing that holds most people back is their culture and what I like to call a SFA. (Sh***y F'n Attitude)
Posted by: freaked at July 14, 2015 03:36 PM (KvWlw)
Posted by: wth at July 14, 2015 03:36 PM (wAQA5)
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81
I think Crude and AtC gave excellent responses.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2015 03:32 PM (OSs/l)
Agree.
I think Crude and AtC gave excellent responses.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2015 03:32 PM (OSs/l)
Agree.
Posted by: kathysaysso at July 14, 2015 03:36 PM (fMQoG)
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Fuck Trump. He's not on my side and he's no conservative. What should happen as many have already pointed out is that someone else running should take the issue away from this clown and he should be kicked to the curb where he belongs.
Lumping Trump in as a conservative hurts the conservative cause much more than any temporary light he shines on illegal immigration helps .
That said , I dislike the mob mentality more than I dislike Trump thus I defend him or at least what he's said, outside of Conservative circles.
Lumping Trump in as a conservative hurts the conservative cause much more than any temporary light he shines on illegal immigration helps .
That said , I dislike the mob mentality more than I dislike Trump thus I defend him or at least what he's said, outside of Conservative circles.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 14, 2015 03:36 PM (4SgJh)
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I'm always angry.
Posted by: Dr. Banner at July 14, 2015 03:36 PM (yo9vP)
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Honestly, I am not interested in hearing about any pro choice cheer leading after the shut that was posted this morning. I am still disgusted.
Posted by: lea at July 14, 2015 03:36 PM (6cJeD)
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Oh, and #1 and a variation on 2, that racism cannot be dealt with on a political level, as it is not political in it nature.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 14, 2015 03:37 PM (2l5vw)
110
37 Trump is a snake oil salesman, nothing more. Never forget that.
I don't doubt that. Unfortunately, Corker, Boehner, and McConnell have proven that the same is true of pretty much the entire GOP leadership.
I don't doubt that. Unfortunately, Corker, Boehner, and McConnell have proven that the same is true of pretty much the entire GOP leadership.
Posted by: Boone at July 14, 2015 03:37 PM (aDkn+)
111
I reject Limbaugh's premise. Nobody is attacking Trump any harder than candidates always go after each other. Hell, nobody is attacking him as much as he is attacking other Republicans.
I'd vote for him if it was him or Hillary. But then I'd vote for just about anyone over Hillary.
I'd vote for him if it was him or Hillary. But then I'd vote for just about anyone over Hillary.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (OGm46)
112
Again - I ask why we can't have a stripper or porn star candidate?
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (6xtq3)
Posted by: Ariana Grande at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (7ObY1)
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The point of this thread isn't about fighting or not fighting the left or Fabianism or whatever, it's about Trump being a media creation and phony Republican.
The point of this thread isn't about fighting or not fighting the left or Fabianism or whatever, it's about Trump being a media creation and phony Republican.
Posted by: 13times at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (WHVu+)
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>when the f*** has this clown NOT backed down in the past?
Jesus Christ, act. You keep doing this.
'Trump did X right.'
"But what about W, Y, and Z!"
'He was wrong there. But he was right on X.'
"So you're saying he was /correct/ about Z? That's insane!"
X is what we're talking about. X is all anyone cares about. And in this case, X was sticking to his guns when the entire media machine, and a good part of the political establishment, declared that he was terrible and horrible and needed a ritual public bloodletting for daring to criticize illegal immigrants.
Jesus Christ, act. You keep doing this.
'Trump did X right.'
"But what about W, Y, and Z!"
'He was wrong there. But he was right on X.'
"So you're saying he was /correct/ about Z? That's insane!"
X is what we're talking about. X is all anyone cares about. And in this case, X was sticking to his guns when the entire media machine, and a good part of the political establishment, declared that he was terrible and horrible and needed a ritual public bloodletting for daring to criticize illegal immigrants.
Posted by: Crude at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (DUynq)
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I'm a "1." Of course there's racism. Duh.
What about every one else?
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:29 PM (bhepQ)
Sure there is racism Ace. But the biggest purveyors of racism in the country are the NAACP and the CBC. EVERYTHING they do is based on race, if it isn't based on lining their pockets.
But I don't see what racism has to do with illegals violating the law.
What about every one else?
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:29 PM (bhepQ)
Sure there is racism Ace. But the biggest purveyors of racism in the country are the NAACP and the CBC. EVERYTHING they do is based on race, if it isn't based on lining their pockets.
But I don't see what racism has to do with illegals violating the law.
Posted by: Vic Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (GpgJl)
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there are three types of conservative... >>>
Conservative=People Some just lie better than others.
Conservative=People Some just lie better than others.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (81UWZ)
118
Do you really think that I would support Miss Graham?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2015 03:35 PM (Zu3d9
Only if he has a mean BBQ recipe he is willing to share with you.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2015 03:35 PM (Zu3d9
Only if he has a mean BBQ recipe he is willing to share with you.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (OLNwX)
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Do you really think that I would support Miss Graham?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2015 03:35 PM (Zu3d9
Only if he has a mean BBQ recipe he is willing to share with you.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2015 03:35 PM (Zu3d9
Only if he has a mean BBQ recipe he is willing to share with you.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (OLNwX)
120
For the record I think it's possible to support
abortion in very limited circumstances and still be appalled and
disgusted by the selling of fetal parts and by partial birth abortion.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2015 03:34 PM
I'd say extremely limited circumstances, Fenelon, but yes.
abortion in very limited circumstances and still be appalled and
disgusted by the selling of fetal parts and by partial birth abortion.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2015 03:34 PM
I'd say extremely limited circumstances, Fenelon, but yes.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (JaVx+)
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109 Oh, and #1 and a variation on 2, that racism cannot be dealt with on a political level, as it is not political in it nature.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 14, 2015 03:37 PM (2l5vw)
One could also argue that political efforts ostensibly meant to deal with racism have, on the whole, been quite damaging.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 14, 2015 03:37 PM (2l5vw)
One could also argue that political efforts ostensibly meant to deal with racism have, on the whole, been quite damaging.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (2Ojst)
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I'm still having a bit of trouble locating all these arguments people are making that Trump is a Great Conservative Hope.
Somebody be a chum and point me in the right direction.
Somebody be a chum and point me in the right direction.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (kdS6q)
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"On the other hand, Trump supporters continue to blow off facts, like the fact that Trump is, by personal description, not just pro-choice but very pro-choice"
Not true, Ace. Trump says he's pro-life now. If Romney can convert from pro-choice to pro-life, why can't Trump?
Not true, Ace. Trump says he's pro-life now. If Romney can convert from pro-choice to pro-life, why can't Trump?
Posted by: Jon at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (HA+/6)
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Who the f*** is not angry?
***
Almost every GOPe candidate?
We haven't had a Republican leader that would actually fight for the things he has claimed to believe in since at least Bush 43.
Trump's "anger" is a signal that he will fight for these things...and based on his perseverance in the face of the Government-Media complex attacks on him it looks like that "fight" is real as odd as it may otherwise seem.
And frankly there is no point in selecting someone who won't fight as we have seen in the last few cycles.
The takeaway from this is that the "serious conservatives" like Cruz or Walker need to catch some of this fire. And the GOPe has to learn that there era of go along to get along is over. I didn't vote for Romney, and I won't vote for another DIABLO...and it appears that this time around a significant portion of the base agrees...
***
Almost every GOPe candidate?
We haven't had a Republican leader that would actually fight for the things he has claimed to believe in since at least Bush 43.
Trump's "anger" is a signal that he will fight for these things...and based on his perseverance in the face of the Government-Media complex attacks on him it looks like that "fight" is real as odd as it may otherwise seem.
And frankly there is no point in selecting someone who won't fight as we have seen in the last few cycles.
The takeaway from this is that the "serious conservatives" like Cruz or Walker need to catch some of this fire. And the GOPe has to learn that there era of go along to get along is over. I didn't vote for Romney, and I won't vote for another DIABLO...and it appears that this time around a significant portion of the base agrees...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (78TbK)
126
Way OT
Our fourteen year old pound pup Watson (also known as Buddy, Bud, Mr Good; sister in law calls him Muttley) has had a sharp decline in health in the last week. The vet just called with results of last nights blood work: cancer.
Yeah, in the scheme of things today it ranks pretty low, and he's lived a good long life for a dog but it's still a punch to the gut.
Our fourteen year old pound pup Watson (also known as Buddy, Bud, Mr Good; sister in law calls him Muttley) has had a sharp decline in health in the last week. The vet just called with results of last nights blood work: cancer.
Yeah, in the scheme of things today it ranks pretty low, and he's lived a good long life for a dog but it's still a punch to the gut.
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at July 14, 2015 03:39 PM (uhcTA)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 14, 2015 03:39 PM (hLRSq)
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>>>X is what we're talking about. X is all anyone cares about. And in this case, X was sticking to his guns when the entire media machine, and a good part of the political establishment, declared that he was terrible and horrible and needed a ritual public bloodletting for daring to criticize illegal immigrants.
um he's been super-pro-amnesty before he wanted your vote
um he's been super-pro-amnesty before he wanted your vote
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:39 PM (bhepQ)
129
Actual question to ace and, well, everyone else I guess.
Do you believe Trump has actual positions that are consistent on anything? I mean besides his own awesomeness, how much he loves money and blondes?
Because, dude, dude, no. Just. No. Let me repeat, expecting Trump to be consistent is like expecting Keith Richards to be sober.
Maybe this is just my inability to get past my little pet theory that he's the current demagogue and nothing more, but, I'm sorry, I find it falling down laughing hilarious that people try to respond substantively to Trump.
I mean, don't get me wrong, everything that people are pointing out is true and it would be valid and reasonable if Trump weren't, shit, how does that go? A hobo's view of what a rich man is?
Hmmm. I think where I am getting stuck on responding to him substantively is that it elevates him to being a person of substance and hell to the no with that.
Do you believe Trump has actual positions that are consistent on anything? I mean besides his own awesomeness, how much he loves money and blondes?
Because, dude, dude, no. Just. No. Let me repeat, expecting Trump to be consistent is like expecting Keith Richards to be sober.
Maybe this is just my inability to get past my little pet theory that he's the current demagogue and nothing more, but, I'm sorry, I find it falling down laughing hilarious that people try to respond substantively to Trump.
I mean, don't get me wrong, everything that people are pointing out is true and it would be valid and reasonable if Trump weren't, shit, how does that go? A hobo's view of what a rich man is?
Hmmm. I think where I am getting stuck on responding to him substantively is that it elevates him to being a person of substance and hell to the no with that.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 14, 2015 03:39 PM (mf5HN)
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And if the pro-life hadn't already made gains, they wouldn't be making any gains now. The Republicans couldn't pass one simple bill that had national support. It will stay in the party platform but it won't get any more movement.
Posted by: WOPR at July 14, 2015 03:39 PM (nRvEn)
Posted by: Insomniac at July 14, 2015 03:39 PM (2Ojst)
132
Calmer than you, Dude.
Posted by: Zakn at July 14, 2015 03:39 PM (wL5al)
133
It makes me sad when Mom and Dad fight.
Posted by: Little Moron at July 14, 2015 03:39 PM (Ui7Rt)
134
I'm not seeing how it can be asserted that 80% of the females from Latin America coming into the county are being raped (that's the number given, correct?) And then at the same time say "Latinos are not rapists."
Either both of those statements are true or at least one of them are not.
Either both of those statements are true or at least one of them are not.
Posted by: traye at July 14, 2015 03:39 PM (xlQzy)
135
Trump, abortion, long bows, cross bows, wow. All we need is a Scandi whore pushing national health insurance with Ka-boom
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 03:39 PM (OLNwX)
136
Ya know..... I thought maybe giving Nukes to the Ayatollahs would make everybody take a step back and unite for more than just one thread.
I was wrong.
Im outta here. See you guys in the morning.
Ya know..... I thought maybe giving Nukes to the Ayatollahs would make everybody take a step back and unite for more than just one thread.
I was wrong.
Im outta here. See you guys in the morning.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 14, 2015 03:39 PM (8XRCm)
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Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (OLNwX)
Oh, that's bullshit, I have clear standards and....wait, does he barbecue? What kind?
Oh, that's bullshit, I have clear standards and....wait, does he barbecue? What kind?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (JtwS4)
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>>102 Donald Trump is a wound the GOP inflicted on itself.
Period.
Trump is a wound inflicted on the right by the leftist news media.
Period.
Trump is a wound inflicted on the right by the leftist news media.
Posted by: 13times at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (WHVu+)
140
Trump is ignoring the MFM and corporate threats just like we wish the other candidates would ignore them.
I agree. But. Trump is able to ignore the MFM because he is getting coverage from the MFM. Cruz and Fiorina are agreeing with Trump. They don't get the coverage.
Part of the reason Trump gets coverage is, I suspect, because the media would love to have Trump as the candidate. But part of it is because Trump speaks so poorly. The media isn't giving him wall-to-wall coverage because of what he meant, but because of the poor way he said it, that's easily twisted. Other candidates speak more clearly, and so they don't get the coverage.
I don't know. Perhaps that's a valid strategy: say something right but in a way that can be used against you and all Republicans, and then use the coverage to boost your coverage. I wouldn't want to be the one to test it out, though.
I agree. But. Trump is able to ignore the MFM because he is getting coverage from the MFM. Cruz and Fiorina are agreeing with Trump. They don't get the coverage.
Part of the reason Trump gets coverage is, I suspect, because the media would love to have Trump as the candidate. But part of it is because Trump speaks so poorly. The media isn't giving him wall-to-wall coverage because of what he meant, but because of the poor way he said it, that's easily twisted. Other candidates speak more clearly, and so they don't get the coverage.
I don't know. Perhaps that's a valid strategy: say something right but in a way that can be used against you and all Republicans, and then use the coverage to boost your coverage. I wouldn't want to be the one to test it out, though.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (J0IP0)
141
I would never vote for Trump, but I am glad he is in the race and talking shit. Maybe, just maybe, someone from the Stupid Party will realize that if they do not step up on the issues the base cares about, this guy could really be a problem.
Competition is what humanity thrives on. In economics, capitalism harnesses that force better than any other system. With politics, it is the democratic process. Hopefully, the Republicans come put forth a better candidate in the marketplace of ideas than Donald Trump. Sad to say, I'm not holding my breath.
Competition is what humanity thrives on. In economics, capitalism harnesses that force better than any other system. With politics, it is the democratic process. Hopefully, the Republicans come put forth a better candidate in the marketplace of ideas than Donald Trump. Sad to say, I'm not holding my breath.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (IN7k+)
142
I'm not up for this.
Posted by: The Angry Inch at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (wAQA5)
143
102 Donald Trump is a wound the GOP inflicted on itself.
Period.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 14, 2015 03:35 PM (2l5vw)
Yes.
Period.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 14, 2015 03:35 PM (2l5vw)
Yes.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Proud Member of the Muscular Upper Lower Beer Drinking Class at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (/gQcK)
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126 Sorry Jim. Really sorry. And not small at all in the scheme of things.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (6xtq3)
145
Begun, the Trump War has.
Posted by: Yoda at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (bgKZk)
146
" I don't think Ace is endorsing Trump's position, just stating it. "
No, he openly says "I would vote for Trump. Like myself he's pro-choice."
It's not like today is the first day that ace has made that proud declaration either, it's just particularly galling right now in light of the revelations from today.
I don't usually engage because he's good about exposing the horrors of abortion in general but perhaps it's post partum hormones or perhaps its because I'm just at the end of my rope with people supporting killing innocent children, but I guess I chose today to risk going down in flames over it.
No, he openly says "I would vote for Trump. Like myself he's pro-choice."
It's not like today is the first day that ace has made that proud declaration either, it's just particularly galling right now in light of the revelations from today.
I don't usually engage because he's good about exposing the horrors of abortion in general but perhaps it's post partum hormones or perhaps its because I'm just at the end of my rope with people supporting killing innocent children, but I guess I chose today to risk going down in flames over it.
Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (MYCIw)
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>>> I'm still having a bit of trouble locating all these arguments people are making that Trump is a Great Conservative Hope.
Somebody be a chum and point me in the right direction.
...
well, let me put it this way: When criticism of trump is met by yelling, it certainly feels like Trump is being deemed the Great Conservative Hope.
I have Lauren here, for example, who has much to say about MY pro-choice position, and none at all to say about the presidential candidate Trump's.
Seems like selective flabbergastery.
Somebody be a chum and point me in the right direction.
...
well, let me put it this way: When criticism of trump is met by yelling, it certainly feels like Trump is being deemed the Great Conservative Hope.
I have Lauren here, for example, who has much to say about MY pro-choice position, and none at all to say about the presidential candidate Trump's.
Seems like selective flabbergastery.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (bhepQ)
148
I dunno about this article. Somehow my mind stopped working after major cleavage.
Posted by: Barry at July 14, 2015 03:41 PM (xMb48)
149
The GOP forget (or intionally jettisoned) Reagan's 11th Commandment decades ago.
They are such fools they don't even understand that they helping the Left and MSM (BIRM) make honest talk about immigration off limits.
Charlie Brown, Lucy, football yadda yadda yadda.
They are such fools they don't even understand that they helping the Left and MSM (BIRM) make honest talk about immigration off limits.
Charlie Brown, Lucy, football yadda yadda yadda.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 14, 2015 03:41 PM (NOIQH)
150
Now, to be honest, I think the people looking for substance are also emotional -- everything in life is emotion; even mathematicians speak of the beauty of a proof -- but they're at least trying to give a factual sheen to their position.
I know it's tangential, but mathematicians accept correct ugly proofs, we just don't like them because they don't tell us anything else except the immediate truth of the theorem.
Mathematics is very aesthetic. Why study one problem over another? Why is one (correct) proof better than another (correct) proof?
And yet it is ruthlessly objective. A proof is a proof, it isn't a wild guess or "evidence". It is metaphysical certainty. Every single time.
I know it's tangential, but mathematicians accept correct ugly proofs, we just don't like them because they don't tell us anything else except the immediate truth of the theorem.
Mathematics is very aesthetic. Why study one problem over another? Why is one (correct) proof better than another (correct) proof?
And yet it is ruthlessly objective. A proof is a proof, it isn't a wild guess or "evidence". It is metaphysical certainty. Every single time.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 14, 2015 03:41 PM (b65cm)
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142 I'm not up for this.
Posted by: The Angry Inch at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (wAQA5)
++++
Then you aren't really angry.
Posted by: The Angry Inch at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (wAQA5)
++++
Then you aren't really angry.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at July 14, 2015 03:41 PM (IN7k+)
152
I'm still having a bit of trouble locating all these arguments people are making that Trump is a Great Conservative Hope.
Posted by: Burn the Witch
Hope? There is no hope.
At the bottom of Pandora's Box, all there was -- was another box.
I'm still having a bit of trouble locating all these arguments people are making that Trump is a Great Conservative Hope.
Posted by: Burn the Witch
Hope? There is no hope.
At the bottom of Pandora's Box, all there was -- was another box.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 14, 2015 03:41 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 14, 2015 03:42 PM (/Ho8c)
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Let him run it out and let's all have fun enjoying the discomfort of the Establishment party that has betrayed us. Maybe this time they'll get the message and actually 1. Seal the border 2. Repeal Obamacare. And that would be just for starters. Otherwise, Trump will bolt to a third party candidacy and we'll all be living with President Hillary.
Posted by: Sherlockzz at July 14, 2015 03:42 PM (lZS3M)
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Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:39 PM (bhepQ)
Looking for the Sunday night mention by Maet. That's cute
Looking for the Sunday night mention by Maet. That's cute
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 03:42 PM (OLNwX)
156
>>> I would never vote for Trump, but I am glad he is in the race and talking shit. Maybe, just maybe, someone from the Stupid Party will realize that if they do not step up on the issues the base cares about, this guy could really be a problem.
that is the potential upside of it... I dunno tho, I'm torn between thinking trump is making this too radioactive, and thinking the rest of the candidates are so compromised on the issue they wouldn't have said boo about it anyway.
However, for any who care, Megyn Kelly is putting on a textbook case every single night.
that is the potential upside of it... I dunno tho, I'm torn between thinking trump is making this too radioactive, and thinking the rest of the candidates are so compromised on the issue they wouldn't have said boo about it anyway.
However, for any who care, Megyn Kelly is putting on a textbook case every single night.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:42 PM (bhepQ)
157
I'm sort of flabbergasted you proudly embrace the "pro-choice" label
on the day that PP was just shown to be trafficking in the organs from
aborted babies and bragging about how they openly flaunt the federal law
against partial birth abortions.
***
In Obamerica good is evil and evil is good. We've been "fundamentally transformed" so I am not surprised...horrified...but not surprised.
on the day that PP was just shown to be trafficking in the organs from
aborted babies and bragging about how they openly flaunt the federal law
against partial birth abortions.
***
In Obamerica good is evil and evil is good. We've been "fundamentally transformed" so I am not surprised...horrified...but not surprised.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2015 03:42 PM (78TbK)
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153 It makes me sad when Mom and Dad fight.
Posted by: Little Moron
LOL.
And it's ALL YOUR FAULT!
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 14, 2015 03:42 PM (/Ho8c)
Ugh, flashback. Jesus.
*looks for a safe space*
Posted by: Little Moron
LOL.
And it's ALL YOUR FAULT!
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 14, 2015 03:42 PM (/Ho8c)
Ugh, flashback. Jesus.
*looks for a safe space*
Posted by: Insomniac at July 14, 2015 03:42 PM (2Ojst)
159
I have Lauren here, for example, who has much to say about MY pro-choice position, and none at all to say about the presidential candidate Trump's.
*pssst, ace*
She just gave birth. Maybe not today.
I have Lauren here, for example, who has much to say about MY pro-choice position, and none at all to say about the presidential candidate Trump's.
*pssst, ace*
She just gave birth. Maybe not today.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 03:43 PM (JtwS4)
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You know what would have burst the Trump bubble?
The Iowa Straw Poll. Having an event in August where the real campaigns organize, campaign and get votes and Trump saunters in like he owns the place would have resulted in a humiliating defeat for him and a jumpstart for somebody like Walker (local guy) or Perry.
But oh, no, some of you had to get it cancelled and were gleeful.
And now here we are.
The Iowa Straw Poll. Having an event in August where the real campaigns organize, campaign and get votes and Trump saunters in like he owns the place would have resulted in a humiliating defeat for him and a jumpstart for somebody like Walker (local guy) or Perry.
But oh, no, some of you had to get it cancelled and were gleeful.
And now here we are.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 14, 2015 03:43 PM (b65cm)
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Posted by: Jon at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (HA+/6)
No, Trump says he is now pro-Life but would not take away a woman's choice to have an abortion. WTF?
No, Trump says he is now pro-Life but would not take away a woman's choice to have an abortion. WTF?
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 14, 2015 03:43 PM (4SgJh)
162
It makes me sad when Mom and Dad fight.
Posted by: Little Moron
-------------------------
The Ramadan fasting will be over in a few more days and things will get better.
Posted by: Little Moron
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The Ramadan fasting will be over in a few more days and things will get better.
Posted by: Roy at July 14, 2015 03:43 PM (VndSC)
163
As it has been mentioned before, everyone should stop using the word "amnesty", because everyone has a different definition of what it means.
On abortion, I would bet the majority of Republicans are pro-choice, in that they believe a woman should have a basically unfettered access to abortion in the first 20 weeks.
I've never heard Trump say he was for partial birth abortion. We need some specifics on this before it gets written in stone.
Building a wall is a small part of building a government that operates competently. Almost everyone except the unreasonably crazy agree we're not going to deport 30 million illegals. Trump probably agrees that the criminals go back and those that stay are granted permanent residence, not citizenship.
On abortion, I would bet the majority of Republicans are pro-choice, in that they believe a woman should have a basically unfettered access to abortion in the first 20 weeks.
I've never heard Trump say he was for partial birth abortion. We need some specifics on this before it gets written in stone.
Building a wall is a small part of building a government that operates competently. Almost everyone except the unreasonably crazy agree we're not going to deport 30 million illegals. Trump probably agrees that the criminals go back and those that stay are granted permanent residence, not citizenship.
Posted by: jwest at July 14, 2015 03:43 PM (P/xrJ)
164
Sure, Trump can convert from pro-choice to pro-life, just like Bruce Jenner is converted to a woman.
Posted by: maddogg at July 14, 2015 03:43 PM (xWW96)
165
We're not looking for emotional validation, we're looking for hope.
Posted by: Agent J at July 14, 2015 03:43 PM (ueOgE)
166
Trump, abortion, long bows, cross bows, wow. All we need is a Scandi whore pushing national health insurance with Ka-boom
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
And CBFs and refighting the Civil War.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
And CBFs and refighting the Civil War.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 14, 2015 03:43 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: West at July 14, 2015 03:43 PM (6E2GS)
168
135
Trump, abortion, long bows, cross bows, wow. All we need is a Scandi whore pushing national health insurance with Ka-boom
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 03:39 PM (OLNwX)
While wearing a lace wig.
Trump, abortion, long bows, cross bows, wow. All we need is a Scandi whore pushing national health insurance with Ka-boom
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 03:39 PM (OLNwX)
While wearing a lace wig.
Posted by: kathysaysso at July 14, 2015 03:44 PM (fMQoG)
169
Ace et al,
He is a clown. I grant you that. But perhaps a useful one. Lets use Trump to drive out the issues that anger and embolden us. Lets get them out there, and have the other candidates answer the same questions.
They'll either pay us lip service - which is what we got coming out of 2014. Got the lipstick and kissy prints to prove it.
Denounce us as haters/racists - like the Dems do. Status quo. OK.
Or perhaps bring about a political uprising building on the Tea Party success.
We got to think in terms of chess, not checkers. The current GOP doesn't listen or care. F*** them. In NH we have Ayotte running. On behalf of NH conservatives to the rest of the USA, sorry she turned into a GOPe. Had high hopes for her. To the Tea Party caucus, why don't you guys break away from the GOP. Yes you will lose committee spots. But you threaten the GOP majority that way. Stand true and stand tall. Gain a few more spots and the GOPe will either start listening, or they will have to negotiate on our terms to get a vote through.
Are we willing to lose election(s)? Based on the performance of this sitting Congress - does it matter?
He is a clown. I grant you that. But perhaps a useful one. Lets use Trump to drive out the issues that anger and embolden us. Lets get them out there, and have the other candidates answer the same questions.
They'll either pay us lip service - which is what we got coming out of 2014. Got the lipstick and kissy prints to prove it.
Denounce us as haters/racists - like the Dems do. Status quo. OK.
Or perhaps bring about a political uprising building on the Tea Party success.
We got to think in terms of chess, not checkers. The current GOP doesn't listen or care. F*** them. In NH we have Ayotte running. On behalf of NH conservatives to the rest of the USA, sorry she turned into a GOPe. Had high hopes for her. To the Tea Party caucus, why don't you guys break away from the GOP. Yes you will lose committee spots. But you threaten the GOP majority that way. Stand true and stand tall. Gain a few more spots and the GOPe will either start listening, or they will have to negotiate on our terms to get a vote through.
Are we willing to lose election(s)? Based on the performance of this sitting Congress - does it matter?
Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at July 14, 2015 03:44 PM (DlmoZ)
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First.
Posted by: Josh Earnest at July 14, 2015 03:44 PM (Vf5rR)
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"I'm a "1." Of course there's racism. Duh.
What about every one else?"
I'm a 1 so long as that means that racism is not limited to white people as many SJW'slike to say.
"I'm a "1." Of course there's racism. Duh.
What about every one else?"
I'm a 1 so long as that means that racism is not limited to white people as many SJW'slike to say.
Posted by: Benji Carver at July 14, 2015 03:44 PM (OD2ni)
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MOAR HINDUS
Posted by: Marco! Rubio! at July 14, 2015 03:44 PM (bgKZk)
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I don't need to attack Trump. I don't trust him, but he doesn't threaten me. The people attacking him ARE threatened by him, and I HATE a lot of those people. For being out and proud enemies of the nation or simply milquetoast sell-outs worried about "appearances".
So I support the IDEA of Trump as a court jester that lives to point out the issues the Republicans simply want broomed. Every time Trump opens his mouth to speak "conservative" (even if he actually isn't) it goes to illustrate how very un-conservative the rest of the field is. For that reason, I want Trump in the race for as long as possible.
So I support the IDEA of Trump as a court jester that lives to point out the issues the Republicans simply want broomed. Every time Trump opens his mouth to speak "conservative" (even if he actually isn't) it goes to illustrate how very un-conservative the rest of the field is. For that reason, I want Trump in the race for as long as possible.
Posted by: Saltydonnie at July 14, 2015 03:44 PM (i6shs)
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hey, i'm *against* partial birth abortion, and abortion after 20 weeks
if you guys want to fight with a hardcore abortion-until-a-few-minutes-after-birth guy, take it up with the Great Conservative Hope Donald Trump.
if you guys want to fight with a hardcore abortion-until-a-few-minutes-after-birth guy, take it up with the Great Conservative Hope Donald Trump.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:44 PM (bhepQ)
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*looks for a safe space*
I've got crayons and blankies, but you'll have to bring your own play-doh.
I've got crayons and blankies, but you'll have to bring your own play-doh.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 14, 2015 03:44 PM (ZKzrr)
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One could also argue that political efforts ostensibly meant to deal with racism have, on the whole, been quite damaging.
One could also argue they were never actually meant to "deal with it" at all...
One could also argue they were never actually meant to "deal with it" at all...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 14, 2015 03:44 PM (2l5vw)
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Trump has been describing himself as pro-life since at least 2011.
Posted by: Jon at July 14, 2015 03:44 PM (HA+/6)
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Seems like selective flabbergastery.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (bhepQ)
Lauren is staunchly pro-life. If the Trumps topic of the day was abortion you wouldn't be labeling her flabbergastery.
Seems like selective flabbergastery.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (bhepQ)
Lauren is staunchly pro-life. If the Trumps topic of the day was abortion you wouldn't be labeling her flabbergastery.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 03:44 PM (OLNwX)
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I look at Trump as a sort of loss leader for the GOP camapign.
He'll crash and burn like Howard Dean did at some point. Hopefully we won't get the Republican equivalent of John Kerry.
He'll crash and burn like Howard Dean did at some point. Hopefully we won't get the Republican equivalent of John Kerry.
Posted by: CozMark at July 14, 2015 03:44 PM (aKWBd)
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She just gave birth. Maybe not today.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
Yeah. I'm going to imagine her pro-life feelings are at close to an all-time high.
She just gave birth. Maybe not today.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
Yeah. I'm going to imagine her pro-life feelings are at close to an all-time high.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 14, 2015 03:45 PM (/Ho8c)
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AtC ... You're right. Trump is a self-serving, shifty bastard. All true.
But he'll fight. Show me a GOPer that will fight the progressives. The only thing the GOP can't tolerate is me and my kind.
So, with no other choices, I'll take the self-serving bastard, please.
But he'll fight. Show me a GOPer that will fight the progressives. The only thing the GOP can't tolerate is me and my kind.
So, with no other choices, I'll take the self-serving bastard, please.
Posted by: Sevens at July 14, 2015 03:45 PM (0HqNX)
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the way the left wins on the immigration issue is to not deal with it, by making it radioactive, and trump seems to be playing right into that.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:23 PM (bhepQ)
Ye gads, they always make the issue radioactive. If that is the concern, we might as well go home. Can't challenge the narrative, wouldn't be prudent.
Trump just said what a lot of people know and the MSM and Dems don't want you to think about.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:23 PM (bhepQ)
Ye gads, they always make the issue radioactive. If that is the concern, we might as well go home. Can't challenge the narrative, wouldn't be prudent.
Trump just said what a lot of people know and the MSM and Dems don't want you to think about.
Posted by: WOPR at July 14, 2015 03:45 PM (nRvEn)
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175 *looks for a safe space*
I've got crayons and blankies, but you'll have to bring your own play-doh.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 14, 2015 03:44 PM (ZKzrr)
Done. Got any bourbon? If not I'll bring some.
I've got crayons and blankies, but you'll have to bring your own play-doh.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 14, 2015 03:44 PM (ZKzrr)
Done. Got any bourbon? If not I'll bring some.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 14, 2015 03:45 PM (2Ojst)
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Hall Monitor!
Posted by: guy who always yells for the Hall Monitor at July 14, 2015 03:45 PM (wAQA5)
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I don't know. Perhaps that's a valid strategy: say something right but in a way that can be used against you and all Republicans, and then use the coverage to boost your coverage. I wouldn't want to be the one to test it out, though.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (J0IP0)
It's an entirely valid strategy if the point of Trump running is to aggrandize Trump.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (J0IP0)
It's an entirely valid strategy if the point of Trump running is to aggrandize Trump.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 14, 2015 03:45 PM (mf5HN)
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Acts of love.
Posted by: Jeb! at July 14, 2015 03:45 PM (bgKZk)
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I suppose I'm a 1, but I'm also a dick. So my Official Re-Education Camp Conservative Classification code will be 1D.
As for how racism manifests itself in society today, I'd say that a centuries old flag pales in comparison to the subsidized vivisection of black babies. But, hey, the butchers who chop up children to sell for parts are Liberal, so they can't be racist.
As for how racism manifests itself in society today, I'd say that a centuries old flag pales in comparison to the subsidized vivisection of black babies. But, hey, the butchers who chop up children to sell for parts are Liberal, so they can't be racist.
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 14, 2015 03:45 PM (2cS/G)
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If you are not willing to kick Hillary in the cunt or Bernie in his commie junk TWICE for every noogie you give a fellow conservative, then get the fuck off my TV. I don't care if your name is Trump or Jeb or Fleegle. Punch a conservative in the nose, you better be willing to curb stomp and assfuck no lube a liberal on the way out the door. Priorities!!
Posted by: The Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2015 03:45 PM (8d1Bh)
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I'm torn between thinking trump is making this too
radioactive, and thinking the rest of the candidates are so compromised
on the issue they wouldn't have said boo about it anyway.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:42 PM
That's not an either/or thing. The answer is: both.
But Trump is not as "radioactive" as the current President.
Again, Trump is getting the point across. When no one else will do that, he's gonna sound extra-harsh no matter how "nuanced" his delivery.
radioactive, and thinking the rest of the candidates are so compromised
on the issue they wouldn't have said boo about it anyway.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:42 PM
That's not an either/or thing. The answer is: both.
But Trump is not as "radioactive" as the current President.
Again, Trump is getting the point across. When no one else will do that, he's gonna sound extra-harsh no matter how "nuanced" his delivery.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 14, 2015 03:46 PM (JaVx+)
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my support for Trump is purely political at this point
what I hear from my son and his friends (under-1
is that they know the country is for shit right now, and Trump makes them feel like a little like we probably felt around 1980 when Reagan was hammering Carter
Trump is resonating with some young people who hope for a freer, stronger, more prosperous USA
he's a conniving unscrupulous bastard, sure, but he's causing the generation that'll come of age in a few years to clarify what the passions are that will drive their political choices for decades to come
let him do that
as for the rest of us who can actually vote, we'll have other actual choices to make
what I hear from my son and his friends (under-1
is that they know the country is for shit right now, and Trump makes them feel like a little like we probably felt around 1980 when Reagan was hammering Carter
Trump is resonating with some young people who hope for a freer, stronger, more prosperous USA
he's a conniving unscrupulous bastard, sure, but he's causing the generation that'll come of age in a few years to clarify what the passions are that will drive their political choices for decades to come
let him do that
as for the rest of us who can actually vote, we'll have other actual choices to make
Posted by: Feh at July 14, 2015 03:46 PM (fY/0z)
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>um he's been super-pro-amnesty before he wanted your vote
And there you go again. I said he did X right, and you're off to talk about how he's wrong about Z.
You say he's not presenting any great anti-illegal-immigration policies? Wonderful. You say he WILL NOT do those things, and will in fact ultimately aid and abet illegal immigration? Frankly, I'll grant that for the sake of argument too.
Because it doesn't matter here. It's not the point.
Maybe you just don't understand. Think of it this way: imagine Rush Limbaugh said what Trump did, and stood by it. A guy not running for public office, who will never pass or vote on legislation. And he was attacked as horrible and racist, business contracts cut, everyone looking to punish him. And he stood his ground. And in a couple weeks we were suddenly talking about Sanctuary Cities and how horrible they are, with suddenly - if only for a moment, and in a small way - it became more acceptable to openly talk about illegal immigration and the problems it brings.
If you can see what would be good about that - why Rush would have done a Good Thing, no matter what else he was wrong about - then congratulations. You see part of the point with Trump.
And there you go again. I said he did X right, and you're off to talk about how he's wrong about Z.
You say he's not presenting any great anti-illegal-immigration policies? Wonderful. You say he WILL NOT do those things, and will in fact ultimately aid and abet illegal immigration? Frankly, I'll grant that for the sake of argument too.
Because it doesn't matter here. It's not the point.
Maybe you just don't understand. Think of it this way: imagine Rush Limbaugh said what Trump did, and stood by it. A guy not running for public office, who will never pass or vote on legislation. And he was attacked as horrible and racist, business contracts cut, everyone looking to punish him. And he stood his ground. And in a couple weeks we were suddenly talking about Sanctuary Cities and how horrible they are, with suddenly - if only for a moment, and in a small way - it became more acceptable to openly talk about illegal immigration and the problems it brings.
If you can see what would be good about that - why Rush would have done a Good Thing, no matter what else he was wrong about - then congratulations. You see part of the point with Trump.
Posted by: Crude at July 14, 2015 03:46 PM (DUynq)
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Heartless!
Posted by: Rick Perry at July 14, 2015 03:46 PM (bgKZk)
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One could also argue they were never actually meant to "deal with it" at all...
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Lyndon Johnson was quite clear about what he thought the point was. And he was only slightly less racist then his allies like Bull Connor...
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Lyndon Johnson was quite clear about what he thought the point was. And he was only slightly less racist then his allies like Bull Connor...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2015 03:46 PM (78TbK)
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120 For the record I think it's possible to support
abortion in very limited circumstances and still be appalled and
disgusted by the selling of fetal parts and by partial birth abortion.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2015 03:34 PM
I'd say extremely limited circumstances, Fenelon, but yes.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (JaVx+)
^^^^^!
abortion in very limited circumstances and still be appalled and
disgusted by the selling of fetal parts and by partial birth abortion.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2015 03:34 PM
I'd say extremely limited circumstances, Fenelon, but yes.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (JaVx+)
^^^^^!
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Proud Member of the Muscular Upper Lower Beer Drinking Class at July 14, 2015 03:46 PM (/gQcK)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 14, 2015 03:46 PM (kdS6q)
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Hell, nobody is attacking him as much as he is attacking other Republicans.
Yes, except they're not really attacking Trump. They're attacking the ideas that has people supporting Trump. Which means they're attacking Trump's supporters as much as they're attacking Trump himself. That's a recipe for electoral failure.
Yes, except they're not really attacking Trump. They're attacking the ideas that has people supporting Trump. Which means they're attacking Trump's supporters as much as they're attacking Trump himself. That's a recipe for electoral failure.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 14, 2015 03:46 PM (J0IP0)
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Here is what Trump said about Hillary. Ho. Lee. Shit.
Failing candidate Hillary Clinton, who is desperately trying to hold on to her lead in the democratic primary against Bernie Sanders, is knowingly putting out lies about my stance on illegal immigration. I said "Mexico is sending" - I'm not knocking immigration or immigrants, but rather am very critical of the country of Mexico for sending us people that they don't want. Likewise I am very critical of illegal immigration and the tremendous problems including crime, which it causes.
She is desperate, she is sad, and she is obviously very nervous when she has to revert to issues that have already been settled given the absolute accuracy of my statement. She speaks about "my tone" and that's the problem with our country's leaders. They are more worried about tone than results! It's not about being nice - it's about being competent.
Hillary should spend more time producing her illegally hidden emails and less time trying to obfuscate a statement by me that is totally clear and obviously very much accepted by the public as true. I am honored, however, that she is attacking me, instead of Jeb Bush. Obviously she knows that JEB is no longer her real competition. The last person she wants to face is Donald Trump.
I still think he's a rodeo clown, but this is what people want.
Failing candidate Hillary Clinton, who is desperately trying to hold on to her lead in the democratic primary against Bernie Sanders, is knowingly putting out lies about my stance on illegal immigration. I said "Mexico is sending" - I'm not knocking immigration or immigrants, but rather am very critical of the country of Mexico for sending us people that they don't want. Likewise I am very critical of illegal immigration and the tremendous problems including crime, which it causes.
She is desperate, she is sad, and she is obviously very nervous when she has to revert to issues that have already been settled given the absolute accuracy of my statement. She speaks about "my tone" and that's the problem with our country's leaders. They are more worried about tone than results! It's not about being nice - it's about being competent.
Hillary should spend more time producing her illegally hidden emails and less time trying to obfuscate a statement by me that is totally clear and obviously very much accepted by the public as true. I am honored, however, that she is attacking me, instead of Jeb Bush. Obviously she knows that JEB is no longer her real competition. The last person she wants to face is Donald Trump.
I still think he's a rodeo clown, but this is what people want.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2015 03:46 PM (2Ocf1)
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I don't usually engage because he's good about exposing the horrors of abortion in general but perhaps it's post partum hormones or perhaps its because I'm just at the end of my rope with people supporting killing innocent children, but I guess I chose today to risk going down in flames over it.
Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (MYCIw)
For what it's worth, Lauren, I also don't understand how ace can expose the horrors of Abortion Inc. and still be pro-choice either. It seems like 2 +2+5.
Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (MYCIw)
For what it's worth, Lauren, I also don't understand how ace can expose the horrors of Abortion Inc. and still be pro-choice either. It seems like 2 +2+5.
Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at July 14, 2015 03:46 PM (u0lmX)
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100 Hey Vic, if you can't appreciate snark, don't respond.
Do you really think that I would support Miss Graham?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2015 03:35 PM (Zu3d9)
I didn't recognize the sarcasm. I thought you had seen some Lindsay comment I had not seen. I have been voting against him in the last three elections.
Do you really think that I would support Miss Graham?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2015 03:35 PM (Zu3d9)
I didn't recognize the sarcasm. I thought you had seen some Lindsay comment I had not seen. I have been voting against him in the last three elections.
Posted by: Vic Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 14, 2015 03:46 PM (GpgJl)
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If Trump wins the nomination, we will have bigger problems than having to "walk back" anything.
Posted by: Mustango at July 14, 2015 03:47 PM (vesE8)
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Again, Trump is getting the point across. When no one else will do that, he's gonna sound extra-harsh no matter how "nuanced" his delivery.
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Heh. You said Trump and nuanced in the same post. LOL.
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Heh. You said Trump and nuanced in the same post. LOL.
Posted by: Roy at July 14, 2015 03:47 PM (VndSC)
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Eh, this is the age of the internet, where anything can go viral in a moment.
Why is it so hard for a candidate with integrity and ability to get widespread exposure with almost no cost? If Trump is so bad, why is it so hard to come up with an alternative, when so many people agree with what he's currently saying?
Why is it so hard for a candidate with integrity and ability to get widespread exposure with almost no cost? If Trump is so bad, why is it so hard to come up with an alternative, when so many people agree with what he's currently saying?
Posted by: Pollyanna at July 14, 2015 03:47 PM (xkSSa)
Posted by: Scott Walker at July 14, 2015 03:47 PM (bgKZk)
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Oops, should be 2 +2 =5.
Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at July 14, 2015 03:47 PM (u0lmX)
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153 It makes me sad when Mom and Dad fight.
Posted by: Little Moron
LOL.
And it's ALL YOUR FAULT!
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 14, 2015 03:42 PM (/Ho8c)
And now we know why Daddy drinks.
Posted by: Little Moron
LOL.
And it's ALL YOUR FAULT!
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 14, 2015 03:42 PM (/Ho8c)
And now we know why Daddy drinks.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 03:47 PM (OLNwX)
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I'm perfectly happy to let Trump bring up the real issues with immigration, and then discard him when the other GOP candidates adopt stances that address the problem. He's useful to us for this issue, and not much more.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 14, 2015 03:47 PM (Edob3)
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Kind of O/T, but given today's diplomatic screwing, does this rate as Peak Rapey Tuesday, or am I being too optimistic?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM (QiBX8)
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Well I'm just a lousy lurker but what I took from Rush was what he always says. Don't bash your party no matter what they say or do, because that's what the Dems do and it works for them. If you are truly disgusted with your party member ignore what they did or said and turn it back on the opposition party.
He was saying if you take the bashing too far and that person gets the nod you can't mend the fence.
And he came as close to endorsing a primary candidate as he ever has. That was Walker.
He has said repeatedly Trump is Perot.
He was saying if you take the bashing too far and that person gets the nod you can't mend the fence.
And he came as close to endorsing a primary candidate as he ever has. That was Walker.
He has said repeatedly Trump is Perot.
Posted by: Lex at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM (FBjP7)
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Fuck Trump. He's not on my side and he's no conservative. What should happen as many have already pointed out is that someone else running should take the issue away from this clown and he should be kicked to the curb where he belongs. Lumping Trump in as a conservative hurts the conservative cause much more than any temporary light he shines on illegal immigration helps . That said , I dislike the mob mentality more than I dislike Trump thus I defend him or at least what he's said, outside of Conservative circles.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 14, 2015 03:36 PM (4SgJh)
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So who on the repub stage is going to take up the Trump wave? It's not going to be any of the candidates conformed to senate decorum and collegiality. It's not going to be Jeb. Perry couldn't recognize an opportunity if it slapped him in the face. Who's it going to be?
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 14, 2015 03:36 PM (4SgJh)
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So who on the repub stage is going to take up the Trump wave? It's not going to be any of the candidates conformed to senate decorum and collegiality. It's not going to be Jeb. Perry couldn't recognize an opportunity if it slapped him in the face. Who's it going to be?
Posted by: Soona at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM (P25Hh)
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I view Trump as a big middle finger to the captain of the ship as we slip below the icy waters after hitting the iceberg.
Posted by: Ken at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM (LXJ1e)
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It's an entirely valid strategy if the point of Trump running is to aggrandize Trump.
It's Trump. It almost certainly is.
That having been said, what is that I keep seeing about making it profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing...?
It's Trump. It almost certainly is.
That having been said, what is that I keep seeing about making it profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing...?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM (2l5vw)
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM (Mtb58)
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For what it's worth, Lauren, I also don't understand how ace can expose the horrors of Abortion Inc. and still be pro-choice either. It seems like 2 +2+5.
Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at July 14, 2015 03:46 PM (u0lmX)
It's an awful lot like nine, in that...wait, what?
Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at July 14, 2015 03:46 PM (u0lmX)
It's an awful lot like nine, in that...wait, what?
Posted by: Insomniac at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM (2Ojst)
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Please remain calm, rational and above all moderate as the country and our future plummet into the abyss.
Posted by: tsj017 at July 14, 2015 03:20 PM (gmOm6)
The great bare-knuckled pugilist Bob Fitzsimmons listed his own first cardinal rule as 'Keep cool' when in a fight, whether in the ring or in real-life, so you're not far off.
Posted by: tsj017 at July 14, 2015 03:20 PM (gmOm6)
The great bare-knuckled pugilist Bob Fitzsimmons listed his own first cardinal rule as 'Keep cool' when in a fight, whether in the ring or in real-life, so you're not far off.
Posted by: troyriser at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM (CAJL/)
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>>>I still think he's a rodeo clown, but this is what people want.
which people?
all people? A majority? What?
You are speaking of a particular cohort which is, by the way, already pretty much owned by the GOP.
which people?
all people? A majority? What?
You are speaking of a particular cohort which is, by the way, already pretty much owned by the GOP.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM (bhepQ)
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"I have Lauren here, for example, who has much to say about MY pro-choice position, and none at all to say about the presidential candidate Trump's. "
I don't give two shits about Trump. I was never going to vote for him and my interest in him doesn't extend beyond mild amusement. I am much more emotionally invested, to swing the topic back around to the post, in seeing someone I actually like and interact with supporting something that has frankly gone past the point about which good people can disagree.
You know, I'm trying to think of a good analogy but I really can't top the reality of the current situation.
Maybe don't declare your support for the institution of abortion on the same day we found out that children are still being torn apart limb by limb up to their necks so that they can have their organs harvested.
I don't give two shits about Trump. I was never going to vote for him and my interest in him doesn't extend beyond mild amusement. I am much more emotionally invested, to swing the topic back around to the post, in seeing someone I actually like and interact with supporting something that has frankly gone past the point about which good people can disagree.
You know, I'm trying to think of a good analogy but I really can't top the reality of the current situation.
Maybe don't declare your support for the institution of abortion on the same day we found out that children are still being torn apart limb by limb up to their necks so that they can have their organs harvested.
Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM (MYCIw)
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Just fuck all this. Is there ANYONE here who would vote for Hillary or Webb for that matter instead of ANY Republican or Libertarian candidate? If so, what is your master plan again, exactly?
Posted by: kraken at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM (u/Az+)
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Guys, c'mon - we all know what support for Trump is based on. It's a giant middle finger to all the wandering prudes who clutch their pearls when something offensive enters their sight.
And frankly it's not strange to think that's worth supporting at this point.
And frankly it's not strange to think that's worth supporting at this point.
Posted by: Austin in TX at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM (GBY9g)
Posted by: Lindsey Graham at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM (bgKZk)
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And now we know why Daddy drinks.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 03:47 PM
Wait...you need a reason?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 03:47 PM
Wait...you need a reason?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM (QiBX8)
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I thought William Kristol had some good things to say about how Republicans should treat Trump in a recent Weekly Standard. Link in nick.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 14, 2015 03:49 PM (J0IP0)
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I will keep saying this...The GOP Establishment has already started to purge the conservatives from the field...By the primary all that will be left is Jeb. I will write in a vote for Trump as an independent, even if he is not on the ballot. Just to give them a big FU! Please, just give me the Tea Party as it's own party, and I'm there.
Posted by: Paladin at July 14, 2015 03:49 PM (LtaK3)
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63 I'm sort of flabbergasted you proudly embrace the "pro-choice" label on the day that PP was just shown to be trafficking in the organs from aborted babies and bragging about how they openly flaunt the federal law against partial birth abortions.
I know this is the type of comment that may get me banned, but so be it.
Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2015
Why are you flabbergasted? I'm sure you feel that anyone who agrees with the killing of unborn babies wouldn't be put off by a bit of organ trafficking. The babies dead, why should the organ's be wasted when they could help someone with money who needs them. And if they aren't going to be wasted, why not make a few bucks off them. Really not seeing the flabbergasted.
I know this is the type of comment that may get me banned, but so be it.
Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2015
Why are you flabbergasted? I'm sure you feel that anyone who agrees with the killing of unborn babies wouldn't be put off by a bit of organ trafficking. The babies dead, why should the organ's be wasted when they could help someone with money who needs them. And if they aren't going to be wasted, why not make a few bucks off them. Really not seeing the flabbergasted.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 14, 2015 03:49 PM (kfcYC)
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Is it okay to attack is hair?
Posted by: Wendy at July 14, 2015 03:49 PM (KydDZ)
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It makes me sad when Mom and Dad fight.
Posted by: Little Moron
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It makes me sad when Mom and Mom fight.
It makes me sad when Mom and Dad fight.
Posted by: Little Moron
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It makes me sad when Mom and Mom fight.
Posted by: Little LIV at July 14, 2015 03:49 PM (wAQA5)
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Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:23 PM (bhepQ)
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Bullshit. The Left makes EVERYTHING radioactive. Guess we all need to stop talkin'. About anything and everything.
You know how to minimize that? Have the Republicans actually, like, support Trump's position but not support Trump, so as to prevent the Left from freezing Trump and polarizing that view as his alone. Attacking Trump helps the Left do just that. Which is why the Republicans attack Trump - because they have more in common with the Left.
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Bullshit. The Left makes EVERYTHING radioactive. Guess we all need to stop talkin'. About anything and everything.
You know how to minimize that? Have the Republicans actually, like, support Trump's position but not support Trump, so as to prevent the Left from freezing Trump and polarizing that view as his alone. Attacking Trump helps the Left do just that. Which is why the Republicans attack Trump - because they have more in common with the Left.
Posted by: Saltydonnie at July 14, 2015 03:49 PM (i6shs)
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***"well, let me put it this way: When criticism of trump is met by yelling,
it certainly feels like Trump is being deemed the Great Conservative
Hope."***
That's because you seem to respond more to yelling than what's being said. Perfectly natural response.
What I'm reading in most of the "pro-Trump" responses though is that they favor the spirit of his effort, if not his precise framing. I see them saying basically the same point as AtC has made in this thread in that Trump is a demagogue and has risen to political prominence in what is ultimately a vacuum of the GOP's creation.
As such, I see many people making the point of "Hey, use him as a tool, instead of reflexively denouncing him to the Democrats' tune.
But maybe it's just me wishcasting into other comments.
it certainly feels like Trump is being deemed the Great Conservative
Hope."***
That's because you seem to respond more to yelling than what's being said. Perfectly natural response.
What I'm reading in most of the "pro-Trump" responses though is that they favor the spirit of his effort, if not his precise framing. I see them saying basically the same point as AtC has made in this thread in that Trump is a demagogue and has risen to political prominence in what is ultimately a vacuum of the GOP's creation.
As such, I see many people making the point of "Hey, use him as a tool, instead of reflexively denouncing him to the Democrats' tune.
But maybe it's just me wishcasting into other comments.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 14, 2015 03:50 PM (xSCb6)
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>>> It makes me sad when Mom and Dad fight.
Posted by: Little Moron
mom and dad just sometimes feel the strain and pain of life, by which we mean you.
Posted by: Little Moron
mom and dad just sometimes feel the strain and pain of life, by which we mean you.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:50 PM (bhepQ)
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Trump also has something to say about you and me having those nasty black rifles with the thingy that goes up.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 14, 2015 03:50 PM (4SgJh)
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To be honest, I would vote for Trump.
To be honest, Trump won't get the nod.
BUT, he IS forcing everyone to confront the illegal alien issue.
Posted by: rickb223
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This, in spades.
Force them all to this issue, and the record unemployment.
To be honest, I would vote for Trump.
To be honest, Trump won't get the nod.
BUT, he IS forcing everyone to confront the illegal alien issue.
Posted by: rickb223
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This, in spades.
Force them all to this issue, and the record unemployment.
Posted by: Gmac- 'all politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at July 14, 2015 03:50 PM (4CRfK)
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Is it okay to attack is hair?
Posted by: Wendy at July 14, 2015 03:49 PM
Trump 2016! We Shall Overcomb!
Posted by: Wendy at July 14, 2015 03:49 PM
Trump 2016! We Shall Overcomb!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2015 03:50 PM (QiBX8)
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112 Again - I ask why we can't have a stripper or porn star candidate?
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (6xtq3)
Or at least a skinny pole dancer.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2015 03:38 PM (6xtq3)
Or at least a skinny pole dancer.
Posted by: Killerdog at July 14, 2015 03:50 PM (KBZ5e)
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Whose not angry? McCain...Rubio....McConnell....Graham....Walker....Patakei....that's who. In fact they seem happy and quite content. Mark it Zero Ace!
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at July 14, 2015 03:50 PM (D0NZx)
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It makes me sad when Mom and Mom fight.
Posted by: Little LIV
I know what you mean, especially when Mom hits Mom in the head with a giant dildo.
Posted by: Little LIV
I know what you mean, especially when Mom hits Mom in the head with a giant dildo.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 14, 2015 03:51 PM (/Ho8c)
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Lyndon Johnson was quite clear about what he thought the point was. And he was only slightly less racist then his allies like Bull Connor...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2015 03:46 PM (78TbK)
Completely lost, in the leftist beatification of that fvcking sonofabitch, is the fact that his definition of "poor" was "white only".
He gave not one single fvck about the black community, other than votes.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2015 03:46 PM (78TbK)
Completely lost, in the leftist beatification of that fvcking sonofabitch, is the fact that his definition of "poor" was "white only".
He gave not one single fvck about the black community, other than votes.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Proud Member of the Muscular Upper Lower Beer Drinking Class at July 14, 2015 03:51 PM (/gQcK)
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>>>Maybe don't declare your support for the institution of abortion on the same day we found out that children are still being torn apart limb by limb up to their necks so that they can have their organs harvested.
oh great more rules about what can be said and by whom and when, just what i was hoping for
oh great more rules about what can be said and by whom and when, just what i was hoping for
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:51 PM (bhepQ)
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Deportation is the moral low road.
Posted by: Ben Carson at July 14, 2015 03:51 PM (bgKZk)
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I will repeat what I said the other night, Trump is not a conservative. He is merely pushing buttons...., but..., they are the right buttons, and to that extent, I am willing to stand silent.
If he compels other candidates to acknowledge his points, then so much the better.
There is some risk that Trump could become the Perot of 2016, but I'm doubtful of that.
If he compels other candidates to acknowledge his points, then so much the better.
There is some risk that Trump could become the Perot of 2016, but I'm doubtful of that.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 14, 2015 03:51 PM (9mTYi)
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mom and dad just sometimes feel the strain and pain of life, by which we mean you.
"...and that's when my road to stripperdom started..."
"...and that's when my road to stripperdom started..."
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 14, 2015 03:51 PM (2l5vw)
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mom and dad just sometimes feel the strain and pain of life, by which we mean you.
Posted by: ace
That's sorta meta.
Posted by: ace
That's sorta meta.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 14, 2015 03:51 PM (/Ho8c)
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Let me take a moment to discuss the important things.
Lauren, congratulations on your newest bundle of joy! May her life be blessed and her path not overly troubled.
Jim, I'm so sorry to hear about your dog. We just had to put Mommy's down a few weeks ago and why is it that the best decisions are always the hardest?
Lauren, congratulations on your newest bundle of joy! May her life be blessed and her path not overly troubled.
Jim, I'm so sorry to hear about your dog. We just had to put Mommy's down a few weeks ago and why is it that the best decisions are always the hardest?
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 14, 2015 03:51 PM (mf5HN)
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Stay with me here....
Trump wins GOPe nomination.
Trump beats Cankles for the presidency
Boehner leads the house, McConnell leads the senate.
Do you really believe that comprehensive immigration reform with a big ass wall is going to be built?
If you do, you are naive.
Trump wins GOPe nomination.
Trump beats Cankles for the presidency
Boehner leads the house, McConnell leads the senate.
Do you really believe that comprehensive immigration reform with a big ass wall is going to be built?
If you do, you are naive.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 03:51 PM (OLNwX)
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We've forgotten that. It seems like we never knew it.
The Overton Window has moved so far left that we are all leftists now. "Conservatives" criticizing Trump do so from the dominant cultural perspective.
The Overton Window has moved so far left that we are all leftists now. "Conservatives" criticizing Trump do so from the dominant cultural perspective.
Posted by: Beef at July 14, 2015 03:51 PM (/q4N3)
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I said the same thing yesterday and a long time moron said I was a retard
enough with the cults of personality
I said the same thing yesterday and a long time moron said I was a retard
enough with the cults of personality
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 03:52 PM (zOTsN)
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Please stop telling me "he's angry."
Who the f*** is not angry?
It's not just the anger. It's being able to articulate WHY one is angry. And the GOP-e seems content to blame the base (really the average hard working decent American citizen) for not getting with the program of the dissolution of America.
Reagan was angry, but he was able to channel his anger at his opponents with fact, passion and contradictory as it sounds good cheer.
So, okay. It's Trump. But where are the people on our side running for office who can tap into the justified rage of the citizenry and channel it into speeches? I ain't seeing it.
I may not be a Trump supporter vis a vis his candidacy, but I am glad he's stirring up the shit.
So far.
Who the f*** is not angry?
It's not just the anger. It's being able to articulate WHY one is angry. And the GOP-e seems content to blame the base (really the average hard working decent American citizen) for not getting with the program of the dissolution of America.
Reagan was angry, but he was able to channel his anger at his opponents with fact, passion and contradictory as it sounds good cheer.
So, okay. It's Trump. But where are the people on our side running for office who can tap into the justified rage of the citizenry and channel it into speeches? I ain't seeing it.
I may not be a Trump supporter vis a vis his candidacy, but I am glad he's stirring up the shit.
So far.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 03:52 PM (St6BJ)
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I'm OK. I just walked into the door again. I'm so clumsy.
Posted by: Little Moron at July 14, 2015 03:52 PM (Ui7Rt)
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Recipe for disaster:
1. Add all carefully calibrated messaging strategies for the GOP field from the professional political hacks.
2. Go on stupid debates and respond stupidly to stupid media questions.
2(a). Think that the MFM can be reasoned with.
3. Call people flyover nutters for being angry.
4. Believe there is a "nice" way to deal with the lawless legacy of you know who.
5. Dismiss the issues Trump addresses because he is Trump (yes, I'm going to reference the Democrats and pre-Arthur Bremer George Wallace in 1972 again).
6. Allow Hillary to call you rich and out of touch. And get away with it.
I don't see anyone in the Republican field not doing 2/3 of these things now.
1. Add all carefully calibrated messaging strategies for the GOP field from the professional political hacks.
2. Go on stupid debates and respond stupidly to stupid media questions.
2(a). Think that the MFM can be reasoned with.
3. Call people flyover nutters for being angry.
4. Believe there is a "nice" way to deal with the lawless legacy of you know who.
5. Dismiss the issues Trump addresses because he is Trump (yes, I'm going to reference the Democrats and pre-Arthur Bremer George Wallace in 1972 again).
6. Allow Hillary to call you rich and out of touch. And get away with it.
I don't see anyone in the Republican field not doing 2/3 of these things now.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 14, 2015 03:52 PM (659DL)
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ust fuck all this. Is there ANYONE here who would vote for Hillary or Webb for that matter instead of ANY Republican or Libertarian candidate? If so, what is your master plan again, exactly?
Posted by: kraken at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM (u/Az+)
Letting it burn?
Posted by: kraken at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM (u/Az+)
Letting it burn?
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2015 03:52 PM (2Ocf1)
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Just fuck all this. Is there ANYONE here who would vote for Hillary or
Webb for that matter instead of ANY Republican or Libertarian candidate?
If so, what is your master plan again, exactly?
Posted by: kraken at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM (u/Az+)
Kraken -What will happen is the conservatives will stay home and not vote. Master plan? If all we are going to get this Liberal-lite from the GOPe - tell me how you are going to get the conservative base out to vote? To get more of what 2014 got us - which, as a refresher - was jack s**t.
Just fuck all this. Is there ANYONE here who would vote for Hillary or
Webb for that matter instead of ANY Republican or Libertarian candidate?
If so, what is your master plan again, exactly?
Posted by: kraken at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM (u/Az+)
Kraken -What will happen is the conservatives will stay home and not vote. Master plan? If all we are going to get this Liberal-lite from the GOPe - tell me how you are going to get the conservative base out to vote? To get more of what 2014 got us - which, as a refresher - was jack s**t.
Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at July 14, 2015 03:53 PM (DlmoZ)
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As such, I see many people making the point of "Hey, use him as a tool, instead of reflexively denouncing him to the Democrats' tune.
But maybe it's just me wishcasting into other comments.
That's definitely where I stand. Even said so in my half-joking pronouncement after this all began.
But maybe it's just me wishcasting into other comments.
That's definitely where I stand. Even said so in my half-joking pronouncement after this all began.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 14, 2015 03:53 PM (2l5vw)
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Trump isn't my first choice, but without him, the country would be talking about the confederate flag and why all white people suck instead of immigration.
If someone wants to lead the country, they better stand up and start talking.
If someone wants to lead the country, they better stand up and start talking.
Posted by: jwest at July 14, 2015 03:53 PM (P/xrJ)
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It's import to see border issues framed by GOOD GOD PEOPLE I HUGGED THE PRESIDENT. YES I DID. CAN'T YOU FORGIVE ME???
Posted by: Chris Christie at July 14, 2015 03:53 PM (bgKZk)
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"Trump 2016! We Shall Overcomb!"
heh, but don't discount it, the honesty of that is a plus with the youngsters
heh, but don't discount it, the honesty of that is a plus with the youngsters
Posted by: Feh at July 14, 2015 03:53 PM (fY/0z)
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I'm a "1." Of course there's racism. Duh.
What about every one else?
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:29 PM (bhepQ)
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There's plenty of racism these days. But most of it is against whites. White males in particular. And it is done in the wide-open. Why? Because those racists can get away with saying it. They even have a justification to permit their in-yo-face racism - "power" via white privilege.
That illegal with the MTV Show bashing whitey? I don't have the "privilege" to do the same to the Hispanic.
What about every one else?
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:29 PM (bhepQ)
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There's plenty of racism these days. But most of it is against whites. White males in particular. And it is done in the wide-open. Why? Because those racists can get away with saying it. They even have a justification to permit their in-yo-face racism - "power" via white privilege.
That illegal with the MTV Show bashing whitey? I don't have the "privilege" to do the same to the Hispanic.
Posted by: Saltydonnie at July 14, 2015 03:53 PM (i6shs)
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oh great more rules about what can be said and by whom and when, just what i was hoping for
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:51 PM (bhepQ)
Oh, SNAP!
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:51 PM (bhepQ)
Oh, SNAP!
Posted by: kathysaysso at July 14, 2015 03:54 PM (fMQoG)
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>oh great more rules about what can be said and by whom and when, just what i was hoping for
There's some irony in you saying this, in the midst of yet another 'Guys Trump sucks, you shouldn't support him, you should be condemning him for what he said, it should be completely unacceptable to talk about how illegal immigration brings crime and illegal immigrants often have problems' move.
There's some irony in you saying this, in the midst of yet another 'Guys Trump sucks, you shouldn't support him, you should be condemning him for what he said, it should be completely unacceptable to talk about how illegal immigration brings crime and illegal immigrants often have problems' move.
Posted by: Crude at July 14, 2015 03:54 PM (DUynq)
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Trump's change on abortion does not bother me in the least. I presume most politicians are full of it on the issue. Hell, I remember back in 1980 my mother told me her pro-life group refused to endorse Reagan becuase George HW Bush was pro-choice.
Posted by: Benji Carver at July 14, 2015 03:54 PM (OD2ni)
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The babies dead, why should the organ's be wasted when they could help someone with money who needs them. And if they aren't going to be wasted, why not make a few bucks off them. Really not seeing the flabbergasted.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 14, 2015 03:49 PM (kfcYC)
The Jews are dead, why waste that hair and skin. Make a few bucks off all those gold teeth.
Oh, yeah, Godwin. Well, f that. If people are acting like goddamn Nazis, the shoe fits.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 14, 2015 03:49 PM (kfcYC)
The Jews are dead, why waste that hair and skin. Make a few bucks off all those gold teeth.
Oh, yeah, Godwin. Well, f that. If people are acting like goddamn Nazis, the shoe fits.
Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at July 14, 2015 03:54 PM (u0lmX)
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I will keep saying this...The GOP Establishment has already started to
purge the conservatives from the field...By the primary all that will be
left is Jeb. I will write in a vote for Trump as an independent, even
if he is not on the ballot. Just to give them a big FU! Please, just
give me the Tea Party as it's own party, and I'm there.
Posted by: Paladin at July 14, 2015 03:49 PM (LtaK3)
+1
I will keep saying this...The GOP Establishment has already started to
purge the conservatives from the field...By the primary all that will be
left is Jeb. I will write in a vote for Trump as an independent, even
if he is not on the ballot. Just to give them a big FU! Please, just
give me the Tea Party as it's own party, and I'm there.
Posted by: Paladin at July 14, 2015 03:49 PM (LtaK3)
+1
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oh great more rules about what can be said and by whom and when, just what i was hoping for
***
So if someone wanted to debate the Civil Rights Act of 1964 publicly on the day Roof went on his killing spree would you be equally as sanguine about the timing?
Yeah, rules and crap.
***
So if someone wanted to debate the Civil Rights Act of 1964 publicly on the day Roof went on his killing spree would you be equally as sanguine about the timing?
Yeah, rules and crap.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2015 03:54 PM (78TbK)
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mom and dad just sometimes feel the strain and pain of life, by which we mean you.
Posted by: ace
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They were punished with a baby.
mom and dad just sometimes feel the strain and pain of life, by which we mean you.
Posted by: ace
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They were punished with a baby.
Posted by: King Barry, your Commander-In-Chief!!! at July 14, 2015 03:54 PM (wAQA5)
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I'm OK. I just walked into the door again. I'm so clumsy.
Posted by: Little Moron
That's because you are just WWC.
I'm OK. I just walked into the door again. I'm so clumsy.
Posted by: Little Moron
That's because you are just WWC.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 14, 2015 03:54 PM (/Ho8c)
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It looked a lot easier on paper.
Posted by: Rand Paul at July 14, 2015 03:54 PM (bgKZk)
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that Trump on Hillary passage above illustrates what sets him apart from the milksops: look how he defends *and then attacks*
with GOPe, it's all backpedaling all the time
f*** that
with GOPe, it's all backpedaling all the time
f*** that
Posted by: Feh at July 14, 2015 03:55 PM (fY/0z)
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If Trump can upset the predestination of JEB in FL primary then he serves a useful purpose. We need to kick Jeb and his moles (Rubio, Christie and Lindsay) in the cahoonies and have a real debate and nominate a real American candidate. Enough with the Party hacks kneecapping the grass roots.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 14, 2015 03:55 PM (oDCMR)
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Is there ANYONE here who would vote for Hillary or
Webb for that matter instead of ANY Republican or Libertarian candidate?
If so, what is your master plan again, exactly?
Posted by: kraken at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM
If it comes down to one of these two against most of the current Republican "choices," I'll leave the Preezy Line blank on my ballot or again write in Vermin Supreme.
You don't need to tell me I'm "wasting my vote," or somehow being untrue to the political party to which I do not belong. Been there, heard that.
But when the Great Roll is Called Up Yonder I don't want to tell the Lord I voted for a member of the Treason Party or an unprincipled, undependable dishonest hack this time.
Webb for that matter instead of ANY Republican or Libertarian candidate?
If so, what is your master plan again, exactly?
Posted by: kraken at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM
If it comes down to one of these two against most of the current Republican "choices," I'll leave the Preezy Line blank on my ballot or again write in Vermin Supreme.
You don't need to tell me I'm "wasting my vote," or somehow being untrue to the political party to which I do not belong. Been there, heard that.
But when the Great Roll is Called Up Yonder I don't want to tell the Lord I voted for a member of the Treason Party or an unprincipled, undependable dishonest hack this time.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 14, 2015 03:55 PM (JaVx+)
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the trump argument reminds me, obviously, of the palin one.
the supporters say "This is what the people want."
And I say: If that were true, I'd get behind it; If people wanted palin, or trump, I'd put aside my personal reservations, because I think it's more important to have ANYONE in there than one of their socialists.
But I must ask: Where is this alleged groundswell of popular opinion for trump, apart from the same 15% of the 40% of the country that is conservative, who likewise enthused so passionately for Palin?
If Trump and Palin are so damn popular, why aren't I drowning in rising tide of Trump/Palin love?
Why does it always just seem to be the 15% of the 40% telling me "This is what ALL THE PEOPLE demand"?
the supporters say "This is what the people want."
And I say: If that were true, I'd get behind it; If people wanted palin, or trump, I'd put aside my personal reservations, because I think it's more important to have ANYONE in there than one of their socialists.
But I must ask: Where is this alleged groundswell of popular opinion for trump, apart from the same 15% of the 40% of the country that is conservative, who likewise enthused so passionately for Palin?
If Trump and Palin are so damn popular, why aren't I drowning in rising tide of Trump/Palin love?
Why does it always just seem to be the 15% of the 40% telling me "This is what ALL THE PEOPLE demand"?
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:55 PM (bhepQ)
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mom and dad just sometimes feel the strain and pain of life, by which we mean you.
Posted by: ace
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They were punished with a baby.
Posted by: King Barry, your Commander-In-Chief!!! at July 14, 2015 03:54 PM (wAQA5
Mom and Dad always loved me more
mom and dad just sometimes feel the strain and pain of life, by which we mean you.
Posted by: ace
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They were punished with a baby.
Posted by: King Barry, your Commander-In-Chief!!! at July 14, 2015 03:54 PM (wAQA5
Mom and Dad always loved me more
Posted by: Ace's Big Brother at July 14, 2015 03:55 PM (OLNwX)
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mom and dad just sometimes feel the strain and pain of life, by which we mean you.
Posted by: ace
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They were punished with a baby.
Posted by: King Barry, your Commander-In-Chief!!! at July 14, 2015 03:54 PM (wAQA5
Mom and Dad always loved me more
mom and dad just sometimes feel the strain and pain of life, by which we mean you.
Posted by: ace
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They were punished with a baby.
Posted by: King Barry, your Commander-In-Chief!!! at July 14, 2015 03:54 PM (wAQA5
Mom and Dad always loved me more
Posted by: Ace's Big Brother at July 14, 2015 03:55 PM (OLNwX)
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This is why we can't have nice things!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 14, 2015 03:55 PM (WiU5D)
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Let's stop pretending there are only two choices: Trump denouncers and Trump supporters. Just because I don't denounce Trump doesn't make me a supporter. I want the unabashed conservative truths coming out of Trump's mouth to come out of a real conservative's mouth. Don't expect me to back any ol' GOP candidate in the General this time around. That doesn't make me a Trump supporter because I won't be voting for that liberal either.
Posted by: dogfish at July 14, 2015 03:55 PM (jWtyG)
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How many "respectable" candidates, apart from Ted Cruz, have even admitted that there is a huge problem with criminal illegal aliens, and how many have talked about it in more words than the words they speak when constantly criticizing Trump for bringing up the issue the way he did. No crimes in this country should be committed by illegal aliens because they shouldn't be in the country in the first place. Why is Trump the only one saying this?
How about "free trade" or whatever it is we're sold and told is free trade. We have the largest trade deficit on the planet, largely because we let countries keep their own tariffs and other barriers up on our exported goods but completely take down our own trade barriers on imported foreign goods. Trump is also the only candidate talking about this issue because every single other "respectable" GOP candidate is owned by the Chamber of Commerce, except perhaps Cruz and Paul, but even Cruz voted for Trade Promotion Authority when the vote mattered (before voting against it when the vote did not matter). I don't believe Trump when he says he'll "bring our manufacturing jobs back" but keep in mind enormous trade agreements such as NAFTA and, in the near future, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, have and will be passed without a 2/3 majority of the Senate. How can trade agreements worth hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars to our economy not be treated as a "treaty" the same as the Iran "agreement" is not?
Trump might be a bloviating blowhard who doesn't even believe a word coming out of his own mouth but he's actually talking the right way about more than just illegal immigration and the horrible thing is that no other GOP candidate is even attempting to bring voters into their own camp and not even acknowledging the wide disconnect between average Americans and politicians on "free" trade and massive levels of legal/illegal immigration, both issues of which can be a way to reach potential voters with lower-middle class jobs irregardless of party.
How about "free trade" or whatever it is we're sold and told is free trade. We have the largest trade deficit on the planet, largely because we let countries keep their own tariffs and other barriers up on our exported goods but completely take down our own trade barriers on imported foreign goods. Trump is also the only candidate talking about this issue because every single other "respectable" GOP candidate is owned by the Chamber of Commerce, except perhaps Cruz and Paul, but even Cruz voted for Trade Promotion Authority when the vote mattered (before voting against it when the vote did not matter). I don't believe Trump when he says he'll "bring our manufacturing jobs back" but keep in mind enormous trade agreements such as NAFTA and, in the near future, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, have and will be passed without a 2/3 majority of the Senate. How can trade agreements worth hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars to our economy not be treated as a "treaty" the same as the Iran "agreement" is not?
Trump might be a bloviating blowhard who doesn't even believe a word coming out of his own mouth but he's actually talking the right way about more than just illegal immigration and the horrible thing is that no other GOP candidate is even attempting to bring voters into their own camp and not even acknowledging the wide disconnect between average Americans and politicians on "free" trade and massive levels of legal/illegal immigration, both issues of which can be a way to reach potential voters with lower-middle class jobs irregardless of party.
Posted by: Jordan at July 14, 2015 03:55 PM (r9mDd)
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I'm really surprised the GOP candidates aren't running with Trump's anti-amnesty stuff. In the past Walker and others have made the case that amnesty is hurting low and mid income Americans, to say nothing of the actual crime, and its something that resonates.
Why doesn't a Republican say "We've got 93 million unemployed Americans. Why are we importing more low-skilled/no skilled workers? Why are we subsidizing liberal billionaires at the cost of ordinary Americans?"
Why doesn't a Republican say "We've got 93 million unemployed Americans. Why are we importing more low-skilled/no skilled workers? Why are we subsidizing liberal billionaires at the cost of ordinary Americans?"
Posted by: Iblis at July 14, 2015 03:56 PM (9221z)
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I'm OK. I just walked into the door again. I'm so clumsy.
Posted by: Little Moron
If you hear something late at night
Some kind of trouble, some kind of fight
Just don't ask me what it was
Just don't ask me what it was
Just don't ask me what it was
I'm OK. I just walked into the door again. I'm so clumsy.
Posted by: Little Moron
If you hear something late at night
Some kind of trouble, some kind of fight
Just don't ask me what it was
Just don't ask me what it was
Just don't ask me what it was
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 14, 2015 03:56 PM (kdS6q)
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Only a billionaire could wear a mess of a haircut like Trump and not have people laugh at him. Albert Einstein had a better haircut.
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"their favorite past-time, which is calling their fellow Republicans crude, simplistic, dumb, and uneducated." Thank goodness nobody here at AoSHQ does that!
Posted by: gp at July 14, 2015 03:56 PM (mk9aG)
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"oh great more rules about what can be said and by whom and when, just what i was hoping for "
Say whatever the fuck you want, just don't be shocked when people react to what you say.
If you want to turn the site into a buzzfeed list of the top 10 reasons abortions is awesome no one is going to stop you. I'm not calling for your head and hunting you down to find your landlord so he can kick you out of your apartment.
I'm just saying, it sort of shocked and disappointed me that you'd go there today.
Say whatever the fuck you want, just don't be shocked when people react to what you say.
If you want to turn the site into a buzzfeed list of the top 10 reasons abortions is awesome no one is going to stop you. I'm not calling for your head and hunting you down to find your landlord so he can kick you out of your apartment.
I'm just saying, it sort of shocked and disappointed me that you'd go there today.
Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2015 03:57 PM (MYCIw)
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I'm confused...why are we talking about racism again?
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I guarantee you this, though:
If trump, somehow, did manage to actually gin up this completely-imaginary popular groundswell you claim, I will gladly be a part of that, because I'm not above supporting a leftist demagogue if it means beating Hillary Clinton.
Would have done the same for Palin... had she actually been, you know, popular at all, rather than deeply unpopular with 60% of voters.
But I see no evidence of these claims of popularlity -- just more viral freeping of social media in a failed attempt to create the illusion of widespread popularity.
If trump, somehow, did manage to actually gin up this completely-imaginary popular groundswell you claim, I will gladly be a part of that, because I'm not above supporting a leftist demagogue if it means beating Hillary Clinton.
Would have done the same for Palin... had she actually been, you know, popular at all, rather than deeply unpopular with 60% of voters.
But I see no evidence of these claims of popularlity -- just more viral freeping of social media in a failed attempt to create the illusion of widespread popularity.
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Jim - At times like this, anything I might say sounds like a platitude. Having been there a couple of times, I can only say that grieve with you.
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No, Trump says he is now pro-Life but would not take away a woman's choice to have an abortion. WTF?
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 14, 2015 03:43 PM (4SgJh)
Where did he say that? In a LifeNews article from earlier this year, he's quoted saying that he believes abortion should only be legal in cases of rape, incest, life of mother.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 14, 2015 03:43 PM (4SgJh)
Where did he say that? In a LifeNews article from earlier this year, he's quoted saying that he believes abortion should only be legal in cases of rape, incest, life of mother.
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>>If it comes down to one of these two against most of the current Republican "choices," I'll leave the Preezy Line blank on my ballot or again write in Vermin Supreme.
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Tanned, rested, ready & knows his lines, SEFTON 2016!!!!
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Tanned, rested, ready & knows his lines, SEFTON 2016!!!!
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>>If it comes down to one of these two against most of the current Republican "choices," I'll leave the Preezy Line blank on my ballot or again write in Vermin Supreme.
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Tanned, rested, ready & knows his lines, SEFTON 2016!!!!
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Tanned, rested, ready & knows his lines, SEFTON 2016!!!!
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Trump will ultimately fade. There's 16 moths until the election.
But for now, he's shifting the debate on immigration to a more favorable battle ground. He's not seen as Anti-Immigration, he's anti-Illegal Immigration.
That wedge HAS TO BE baked into the cake. The anti-Illegal Immigration distinction cuts across party lines.
The GOP will lose if the only choice the base is given is between a Pro-Immigration Dem and a Pro-Immigration Republican.
But for now, he's shifting the debate on immigration to a more favorable battle ground. He's not seen as Anti-Immigration, he's anti-Illegal Immigration.
That wedge HAS TO BE baked into the cake. The anti-Illegal Immigration distinction cuts across party lines.
The GOP will lose if the only choice the base is given is between a Pro-Immigration Dem and a Pro-Immigration Republican.
Posted by: CozMark at July 14, 2015 03:57 PM (aKWBd)
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mmmmmm ... "cleavage"!
Posted by: Waldo at July 14, 2015 03:57 PM (M1MpJ)
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i'm not angry any more...
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Posted by: Lizzy at July 14, 2015 03:41 PM (NOIQH)
All of the factions on the Right have been rude to each other and it seems to have gotten to the point that these factions would rather sit in their areas, nurse their grievances and think hard thoughts of each other than do much else.
The candidate that is going to do best is the one that is able to listen to the concerns of the various factions and not just dismiss those concerns with varying degrees of disdain. That is where the coalition will unify again.
When will it happen? Beats me, but it will happen.
All of the factions on the Right have been rude to each other and it seems to have gotten to the point that these factions would rather sit in their areas, nurse their grievances and think hard thoughts of each other than do much else.
The candidate that is going to do best is the one that is able to listen to the concerns of the various factions and not just dismiss those concerns with varying degrees of disdain. That is where the coalition will unify again.
When will it happen? Beats me, but it will happen.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 14, 2015 03:58 PM (hLRSq)
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Why does it always just seem to be the 15% of the 40% telling me "This is what ALL THE PEOPLE demand"?
Ace, you are free to win an election without the 15-40% of the party. You might be surprised that you won't win anything.
Ace, you are free to win an election without the 15-40% of the party. You might be surprised that you won't win anything.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 14, 2015 03:58 PM (oDCMR)
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I think Trump understands money and business better than any other candidate, period. That breeds confidence in the voter(s).
One of the best descriptions I've read so far as to why Trump makes other candidates nervous is that he's self-funded to the point of not really needing to be bought by "Big-___" (oil, pharma, union, etc) to run a race for the nomination.
I just like the way he's not afraid to say SOME things that are true, even if I disagree with other things he believes are true. There are problems in this country that seemed to be glossed over because they are too hot-button in the PC world.
Well, it's refreshing to hear a prominent candidate say things that aren't PC, that ARE truthful, and he's PROUD of it. It's simply refreshing....
Like a cold towel on the forehead after throwing up.
One of the best descriptions I've read so far as to why Trump makes other candidates nervous is that he's self-funded to the point of not really needing to be bought by "Big-___" (oil, pharma, union, etc) to run a race for the nomination.
I just like the way he's not afraid to say SOME things that are true, even if I disagree with other things he believes are true. There are problems in this country that seemed to be glossed over because they are too hot-button in the PC world.
Well, it's refreshing to hear a prominent candidate say things that aren't PC, that ARE truthful, and he's PROUD of it. It's simply refreshing....
Like a cold towel on the forehead after throwing up.
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In the past Walker and others have made the case that amnesty is hurting
low and mid income Americans, to say nothing of the actual crime, and
its something that resonates.
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Working Americans are a shrinking demographic, we need to look at the long term and find a different one as our base.
low and mid income Americans, to say nothing of the actual crime, and
its something that resonates.
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Working Americans are a shrinking demographic, we need to look at the long term and find a different one as our base.
Posted by: GOPe consultants at July 14, 2015 03:58 PM (78TbK)
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>>>I'm just saying, it sort of shocked and disappointed me that you'd go there today.
i'm shocked and disappointed you'd play the My Sensitivity Requires Your Silence card.
i'm shocked and disappointed you'd play the My Sensitivity Requires Your Silence card.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:58 PM (bhepQ)
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Bipartisan!
Posted by: Ted Cruz at July 14, 2015 03:58 PM (bgKZk)
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Off blood line sock of Ace.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 03:58 PM (OLNwX)
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Off blood line sock of Ace.
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I'm confused...why are we talking about racism again?
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It's a trump card (a pun!). Sooner or later, someone will play it.
Posted by: Moderate
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It's a trump card (a pun!). Sooner or later, someone will play it.
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mom and dad just sometimes feel the strain and pain of life, by which we mean you.
Posted by: ace
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They were punished with a baby.
Posted by: King Barry, your Commander-In-Chief!!! at July 14, 2015 03:54 PM (wAQA5
Mom and Dad always loved me more
Posted by: Ace's Big Brother at July 14, 2015 03:55 PM (OLNwX)
Low hurdle to clear.
mom and dad just sometimes feel the strain and pain of life, by which we mean you.
Posted by: ace
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They were punished with a baby.
Posted by: King Barry, your Commander-In-Chief!!! at July 14, 2015 03:54 PM (wAQA5
Mom and Dad always loved me more
Posted by: Ace's Big Brother at July 14, 2015 03:55 PM (OLNwX)
Low hurdle to clear.
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I still think he's a rodeo clown, but this is what people want.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2015 03:46 PM (2Ocf1)
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Hey Ace - this post is EXACTLY why Trump gains traction. He may be lying, he may flip flop next week, but him SAYING it is sure as hell attractive. It's what I've said, and heard repeated by others in my day to day life, but never in the actual political sphere between candidates. Why has no one told Hillary to blow it out of her ass? Call her the criminal she is to her face, and cite examples. If one of the Republicans candidates said something similar, that would make Trump go away. Kinda like Rand Paul did to Debbie Wasserhername Schultz. But they don't, so here he is.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2015 03:46 PM (2Ocf1)
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Hey Ace - this post is EXACTLY why Trump gains traction. He may be lying, he may flip flop next week, but him SAYING it is sure as hell attractive. It's what I've said, and heard repeated by others in my day to day life, but never in the actual political sphere between candidates. Why has no one told Hillary to blow it out of her ass? Call her the criminal she is to her face, and cite examples. If one of the Republicans candidates said something similar, that would make Trump go away. Kinda like Rand Paul did to Debbie Wasserhername Schultz. But they don't, so here he is.
Posted by: Saltydonnie at July 14, 2015 03:59 PM (i6shs)
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>>Just fuck all this. Is there ANYONE here who would vote for Hillary or
Webb for that matter instead of ANY Republican or Libertarian candidate?
If so, what is your master plan again, exactly?
To be able to proudly state how pure you are on the internet of course!
Webb for that matter instead of ANY Republican or Libertarian candidate?
If so, what is your master plan again, exactly?
To be able to proudly state how pure you are on the internet of course!
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2015 03:59 PM (OGm46)
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Who's not angry? Me.
I mean, I WAS angry up until the 2012 election when the FSA put BHO back in office. That's when I decided the country was irredeemably fucked and short of watering the Tree of Liberty, there's nothing we can do about it.
So fuck it. Enjoy the decline.
I mean, I WAS angry up until the 2012 election when the FSA put BHO back in office. That's when I decided the country was irredeemably fucked and short of watering the Tree of Liberty, there's nothing we can do about it.
So fuck it. Enjoy the decline.
Posted by: Farmer Joe at July 14, 2015 03:59 PM (Ztfnl)
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Anybody who is pro baby killing needs to be bitch slapped upside the head, including Trump.
I'd never vote for him, and he'll flame out on his own, so in the meantime he can just be the current entertainment.
I'd never vote for him, and he'll flame out on his own, so in the meantime he can just be the current entertainment.
Posted by: Blano at July 14, 2015 04:00 PM (w1ewr)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:00 PM (zOTsN)
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>>>Ace, you are free to win an election without the 15-40% of the party. You might be surprised that you won't win anything.
and what will we win with the fifteen percent of the forty percent, exactly?
which works out to be about 6% of the whole?
and what will we win with the fifteen percent of the forty percent, exactly?
which works out to be about 6% of the whole?
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:00 PM (bhepQ)
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Rush is very smart.
Planned Parenthood should be wiped off the face of the Earth, indicted under RICO statutes, and many of its members tried and executed for the murder of countless millions of children.
Latest Breitbart exclusive on the selling of baby parts from partial birth abortions.
Ghoulish.
Planned Parenthood should be wiped off the face of the Earth, indicted under RICO statutes, and many of its members tried and executed for the murder of countless millions of children.
Latest Breitbart exclusive on the selling of baby parts from partial birth abortions.
Ghoulish.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:00 PM (q5APL)
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Viva Amnesty - Vote Jeb and his Mexican Wife cuz Love is Love is Love.
Its like we've become the fucking hippie party.
Its like we've become the fucking hippie party.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 14, 2015 04:00 PM (oDCMR)
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Racism in the context of the pro-abortion crowd is an interesting subject. They know their chosen policies/programs will amount to the greatest number of unborn African Americans killed as possible. Do they think they're sparing blacks from more of their own kind? Do they just have Margaret Sanger's mad dream of a pure human race? Either way, pro-abortion folks are racists in action, whether they are in belief or not.
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 14, 2015 04:00 PM (2cS/G)
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I think Trump understands money and business better than any other candidate, period. That breeds confidence in the voter(s).
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Posted by: Romney at July 14, 2015 04:00 PM (9mTYi)
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the supporters say "This is what the people want."
And I say: If that were true, I'd get behind it;
I think the "this" that people want is not the man Trump per se but his willingness to speak bluntly about actual outrage.
He's an awful human being and adisingenuous politician but he is highlighting the ways in which the Good People are not confronting reality.
the supporters say "This is what the people want."
And I say: If that were true, I'd get behind it;
I think the "this" that people want is not the man Trump per se but his willingness to speak bluntly about actual outrage.
He's an awful human being and adisingenuous politician but he is highlighting the ways in which the Good People are not confronting reality.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:01 PM (JtwS4)
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>>>Hey Ace - this post is EXACTLY why Trump gains traction. He may be lying, he may flip flop next week, but him SAYING it is sure as hell attractive.
to WHOM?
If you have data backing up these intimations that Trump, like Palin, has really tapped into the cultural zeitgeist, please share it with me.
Otherwise, these are all fantasies.
to WHOM?
If you have data backing up these intimations that Trump, like Palin, has really tapped into the cultural zeitgeist, please share it with me.
Otherwise, these are all fantasies.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:01 PM (bhepQ)
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304 lets all shoot each other
again
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:00 PM (zOTsN)
and again.
again
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:00 PM (zOTsN)
and again.
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i used to watch the news and voice my opinion, outrage, whatever at the same time the professional pundits did and the two would align exact. i'd actually think to myself, right on !
now i find myself disagreeing with their pronouncements.
this is where i'm at now. (insert cuss word)
p.s. what do you think about sundance's recent, "why i support donald trump's campaign, and it's not what you think" post?...the entire post, not just the title.
now i find myself disagreeing with their pronouncements.
this is where i'm at now. (insert cuss word)
p.s. what do you think about sundance's recent, "why i support donald trump's campaign, and it's not what you think" post?...the entire post, not just the title.
Posted by: concrete girl at July 14, 2015 04:01 PM (Zm+hQ)
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Thehell with all this. I will never vote for a Democrat because Progressive and Communist. I cannot not vote because see above. It's a shitty dilemma, but the hour is getting late for standing on principles. Boiling it down, I'm hoping, I guess, that any official in office not a Democrat will not be as horrible. That sort of thinking keeps me able to get out of bed in the morning.
Posted by: kraken at July 14, 2015 04:01 PM (u/Az+)
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The candidate that is going to do best is the one that is able to listen
to the concerns of the various factions and not just dismiss those
concerns with varying degrees of disdain. That is where the coalition
will unify again.
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And what do we do if one of the faction's interests are in fact closer to liberal policies then conservative ones?
The current Republican party leadership is basically ok with Obama's policies. There concern is running Leviathan, not shrinking it. I share *nothing* in common with them.
to the concerns of the various factions and not just dismiss those
concerns with varying degrees of disdain. That is where the coalition
will unify again.
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And what do we do if one of the faction's interests are in fact closer to liberal policies then conservative ones?
The current Republican party leadership is basically ok with Obama's policies. There concern is running Leviathan, not shrinking it. I share *nothing* in common with them.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2015 04:02 PM (78TbK)
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>>.I think the "this" that people want is not the man Trump per se but his willingness to speak bluntly about actual outrage.
fine. again, if the case for Trump is that his Blunt Talk is setting the public a-fire with passion, let's see these poll numbers showing that.
fine. again, if the case for Trump is that his Blunt Talk is setting the public a-fire with passion, let's see these poll numbers showing that.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:02 PM (bhepQ)
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One of my concerns is that Trump, whether he is a buffoon, shill for Hillary or whatever, will wind up repeating the disaster known as the 2010 Delaware Senate primary.
A witch managed to kick the ass of the Smartest man in the State (so i was told), and went down in flames due to her being a poor candidate and HER OWN PARTY SCREWING HER OVER.
Trump is doing something none of te damned sheep are even trying to do. When combined with the kabuki theater Rubio, Paul, Cruz and Graham are pulling, he's even better looking in comparison.
Still doesn't mean that he should be the nominee.
A witch managed to kick the ass of the Smartest man in the State (so i was told), and went down in flames due to her being a poor candidate and HER OWN PARTY SCREWING HER OVER.
Trump is doing something none of te damned sheep are even trying to do. When combined with the kabuki theater Rubio, Paul, Cruz and Graham are pulling, he's even better looking in comparison.
Still doesn't mean that he should be the nominee.
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 14, 2015 04:02 PM (Spluw)
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Romney didn't have Trump's killer instinct.
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump pulls black male voters.
"The man knows his shit."
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump pulls black male voters.
"The man knows his shit."
Posted by: Feh at July 14, 2015 04:02 PM (fY/0z)
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Where is this alleged groundswell of popular opinion for trump, apart from the same 15% of the 40% of the country that is conservative, who likewise enthused so passionately for Palin?
Posted by: ace
Christine O'Donnell!!!
Grrrrrrrr!
Where is this alleged groundswell of popular opinion for trump, apart from the same 15% of the 40% of the country that is conservative, who likewise enthused so passionately for Palin?
Posted by: ace
Christine O'Donnell!!!
Grrrrrrrr!
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 14, 2015 04:02 PM (kdS6q)
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what I see are the same people who catch fire multiple times each primary season -- Palin; Bachman; Cain; Perry -- are, unsurprisingly, again in flames.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:02 PM (bhepQ)
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When will it happen? Beats me, but it will happen.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 14, 2015 03:58 PM (hLRSq)
Where is your evidence of that?
That's not snark, I would be thrilled to see evidence of that but I don't.
Here's a theory that just popped into my head right now so this is more talking out my ass than usual.
I think the Right goes after each other so hard because, no matter how person or othering or whatnot, the Right believes in rules and objective reality. We'll scream at each other about whatever the object of screeching is that day, but we all acknowledge that whatever it is exists.
The Left? Gaslight baby! Gaslight like the wind!
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 14, 2015 03:58 PM (hLRSq)
Where is your evidence of that?
That's not snark, I would be thrilled to see evidence of that but I don't.
Here's a theory that just popped into my head right now so this is more talking out my ass than usual.
I think the Right goes after each other so hard because, no matter how person or othering or whatnot, the Right believes in rules and objective reality. We'll scream at each other about whatever the object of screeching is that day, but we all acknowledge that whatever it is exists.
The Left? Gaslight baby! Gaslight like the wind!
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 14, 2015 04:02 PM (mf5HN)
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Here's the thing, I read Conservative Review's profile of his positions:
Um, yes, TARP was good. A partial birth abortion ban at federal level is illegal, at least as to intra state law - Instapundit pointed this out as well.
My biggest concern with Trump is Kelo and NSA but that is peanuts compared with what we face.
And who is fooling whom here? Don't you idiots realize that eventually some form of legal status is going to be given to who's here.
At least with Trump we'll still have a fucking wall, which is damn more than I can say for the Jebster or most of the rest.
Um, yes, TARP was good. A partial birth abortion ban at federal level is illegal, at least as to intra state law - Instapundit pointed this out as well.
My biggest concern with Trump is Kelo and NSA but that is peanuts compared with what we face.
And who is fooling whom here? Don't you idiots realize that eventually some form of legal status is going to be given to who's here.
At least with Trump we'll still have a fucking wall, which is damn more than I can say for the Jebster or most of the rest.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:03 PM (q5APL)
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Supporting Trump is about the (hopeful) death of the GOP and fighting the culture war, not about policy.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 14, 2015 04:03 PM (zVr6t)
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305 >>>Ace, you are free to win an election without the 15-40% of the party. You might be surprised that you won't win anything.
and what will we win with the fifteen percent of the forty percent, exactly?
which works out to be about 6% of the whole?
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So win without us. Just be honest and say you are for Open Borders, Immigration Anarchy cuz Chamber of Commerce owns your ass and wants Cheap Labor and Nationalized Healthcare so they make more money. And forget about a middle class Ace - you won't have one.
and what will we win with the fifteen percent of the forty percent, exactly?
which works out to be about 6% of the whole?
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So win without us. Just be honest and say you are for Open Borders, Immigration Anarchy cuz Chamber of Commerce owns your ass and wants Cheap Labor and Nationalized Healthcare so they make more money. And forget about a middle class Ace - you won't have one.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 14, 2015 04:03 PM (oDCMR)
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@ 312 - "Otherwise, these are all fantasies."
Absolutely right ace. I don't buy this nonsense about the majority of Americans being against illegal immigration, either.
Absolutely right ace. I don't buy this nonsense about the majority of Americans being against illegal immigration, either.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 14, 2015 04:03 PM (Mtb58)
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Maybe don't declare your support for the institution of abortion on the same day we found out that children are still being torn apart limb by limb up to their necks so that they can have their organs harvested.
Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM (MYCIw)
It is no more horrific than it has ever been. PP has been trafficking in dead babies for 42 years. The fact that they now even profit on the organs is icing on the cake.
I suppose most pro-abortion folks think they may "need" that option one day so they support abortion.
I am often surprised by anyone born after 1973 who thinks that they are anything other than an abortion survivor. They had that target on their backs from the moment they were conceived.
Hang in there, Lauren. We may not win this war against genocide any time soon, but I'm pretty sure that God wins in the end.
Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2015 03:48 PM (MYCIw)
It is no more horrific than it has ever been. PP has been trafficking in dead babies for 42 years. The fact that they now even profit on the organs is icing on the cake.
I suppose most pro-abortion folks think they may "need" that option one day so they support abortion.
I am often surprised by anyone born after 1973 who thinks that they are anything other than an abortion survivor. They had that target on their backs from the moment they were conceived.
Hang in there, Lauren. We may not win this war against genocide any time soon, but I'm pretty sure that God wins in the end.
Posted by: tcn at July 14, 2015 04:03 PM (+YMhA)
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BTW - everyone does realize that attacking Donald Trump and insulting him is equivalent to throwing Brer Rabbit into the briar patch?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 14, 2015 04:03 PM (hLRSq)
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>But I must ask: Where is this alleged groundswell of popular opinion for trump, apart from the same 15% of the 40% of the country that is conservative, who likewise enthused so passionately for Palin?
The Republican tendency to say 'Shit, I can't be sure this is popular right at this moment, I better avoid it like the plague' and the Democrat tendency to say 'This isn't popular right now, but if I defend it, urge open-mindedness, frame it in a positive light and attack critics for being insensitive and close-minded, it may be popular in a few years' explains a lot about our current situation.
The great conservative masterminds look at Trump talking bluntly about the problems with illegal immigration and say, 'Wow, the media is against him. We better attack him and make ourselves look like the Good Guys!'
The liberals looked at out and out socialism and said, 'This is deeply unpopular right now. Let's find ways to rehabilitate it in people's eyes.'
The Republican tendency to say 'Shit, I can't be sure this is popular right at this moment, I better avoid it like the plague' and the Democrat tendency to say 'This isn't popular right now, but if I defend it, urge open-mindedness, frame it in a positive light and attack critics for being insensitive and close-minded, it may be popular in a few years' explains a lot about our current situation.
The great conservative masterminds look at Trump talking bluntly about the problems with illegal immigration and say, 'Wow, the media is against him. We better attack him and make ourselves look like the Good Guys!'
The liberals looked at out and out socialism and said, 'This is deeply unpopular right now. Let's find ways to rehabilitate it in people's eyes.'
Posted by: Crude at July 14, 2015 04:03 PM (DUynq)
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>>>I wouldn't be surprised if Trump pulls black male voters.
i would be surprised about that. Not so surprised that I couldn't see a fractional drop more voting for Trump; but surprised to see much more than that.
i would be surprised about that. Not so surprised that I couldn't see a fractional drop more voting for Trump; but surprised to see much more than that.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:03 PM (bhepQ)
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"The man knows his shit."
Posted by: Feh at July 14, 2015 04:02 PM
Judging by his public buildings, the man has a thing for bling, too.
Posted by: Feh at July 14, 2015 04:02 PM
Judging by his public buildings, the man has a thing for bling, too.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 14, 2015 04:04 PM (JaVx+)
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but if this were true -- if Trump showed himself, data-wise, to actually be pulling in unexpected support --
then yes, I'd support him, as I'd frankly support Hitler over Hillary Clinton.
But these claims continue to be, Trump-like, just hype and salespitches. I see no evidence for them.
then yes, I'd support him, as I'd frankly support Hitler over Hillary Clinton.
But these claims continue to be, Trump-like, just hype and salespitches. I see no evidence for them.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:04 PM (bhepQ)
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 14, 2015 04:04 PM (Spluw)
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Trump is a clown. Yea he's right about immigration, but clock, broken, yea.
Posted by: Minnfidel at July 14, 2015 04:05 PM (cYXYO)
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I just can't work up that much anger for Donald Trump when they're trying so hard to sell me Jeb Bush.
Posted by: Brewdog at July 14, 2015 04:05 PM (ZgUuK)
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It makes me sad when Mom and Mom fight.
Posted by: Little LIV
I know what you mean, especially when Mom hits Mom in the head with a giant dildo.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 14, 2015 03:51 PM (/Ho8c)
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Bonus memory points!
It makes me sad when Mom and Mom fight.
Posted by: Little LIV
I know what you mean, especially when Mom hits Mom in the head with a giant dildo.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 14, 2015 03:51 PM (/Ho8c)
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Bonus memory points!
Posted by: wth at July 14, 2015 04:05 PM (wAQA5)
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The GOP primaries are going to be like that Green Inferno trailer. A bunch of idealists flying in to save the rainforests. Then, it ends poorly - with an overfed Hillary.
Posted by: Roy at July 14, 2015 04:05 PM (VndSC)
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Oh, OK.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 14, 2015 04:05 PM (/Ho8c)
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If you're not angry, you're not paying attention. Or you're in on the scam.
The UniParty is in on the scam.
The UniParty is in on the scam.
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 14, 2015 04:05 PM (ZvKdv)
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 14, 2015 04:06 PM (yi8ar)
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he will not make it another six months
there is a way to chose the issue without chosing him
someone else needs to pick up this issue and they will win
he will not make it another six months
hell he wont make it another two months
he will not make it another six months
there is a way to chose the issue without chosing him
someone else needs to pick up this issue and they will win
he will not make it another six months
hell he wont make it another two months
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:06 PM (zOTsN)
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>>>o win without us. Just be honest and say you are for Open Borders, Immigration Anarchy cuz Chamber of Commerce owns your ass and wants Cheap Labor and Nationalized Healthcare so they make more money. And forget about a middle class Ace - you won't have one.
oh -- i'm for Open Borders now?
I'm for the CoC?
Oh okay, Crying Eagle.
oh -- i'm for Open Borders now?
I'm for the CoC?
Oh okay, Crying Eagle.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:06 PM (bhepQ)
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Not a Trump supporter, but I did like what he said about Hillary as posted above. She has a glass jaw and I wish other Repub candidates would stop taking the bait and go after her rather than Trump.
Not a Trump supporter, but I did like what he said about Hillary as posted above. She has a glass jaw and I wish other Repub candidates would stop taking the bait and go after her rather than Trump.
Posted by: Benji Carver at July 14, 2015 04:06 PM (OD2ni)
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I don't buy this nonsense about the majority of Americans being against illegal immigration, either.
F*ck 'illegally imungagration' and shit.
Who gonna gib me mo EBT?
F*ck 'illegally imungagration' and shit.
Who gonna gib me mo EBT?
Posted by: 52% at July 14, 2015 04:06 PM (bgKZk)
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a slur will be matched by a slur, Crying Eagle.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:06 PM (bhepQ)
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Then, it ends poorly - with an overfed Hillary
___
Hey you can say a lot of things about me, but when have I ever eaten another person?
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Hey you can say a lot of things about me, but when have I ever eaten another person?
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at July 14, 2015 04:06 PM (78TbK)
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And by disappointed, I really mean that in every sense of the world.
It is profoundly disappointing that you are pro-choice mainly because it is such an illogical stance. It drives me absolutely crazy that someone so logical and analytical in almost every other way could come to such a mindless conclusion on abortion.
But I handwave it away using a good line from my husband that "no one wants to be Sean Hannity". We all want something that differentiates us from Mindless Conservative Drone 59856. I get it. And marginally supporting abortion has a pretty low buy in since it's a 50/50 issue and your a man and it's easy to shrug your shoulders and go with the bumbersticker arguments.
But when you actively push it, like a badge of honor, well then that justification gets harder to wrap my head around. Anyway, clearly its something that I've put too much thought into, but like I said, it's disappointing when someone you generally like and respect holds a repugnant view. You deal with Grandpa's racism and compartmentalize it. Then he goes on a rant about how the Damn N*ggers Are Ruining Everything and, oh.
Oh.
It is profoundly disappointing that you are pro-choice mainly because it is such an illogical stance. It drives me absolutely crazy that someone so logical and analytical in almost every other way could come to such a mindless conclusion on abortion.
But I handwave it away using a good line from my husband that "no one wants to be Sean Hannity". We all want something that differentiates us from Mindless Conservative Drone 59856. I get it. And marginally supporting abortion has a pretty low buy in since it's a 50/50 issue and your a man and it's easy to shrug your shoulders and go with the bumbersticker arguments.
But when you actively push it, like a badge of honor, well then that justification gets harder to wrap my head around. Anyway, clearly its something that I've put too much thought into, but like I said, it's disappointing when someone you generally like and respect holds a repugnant view. You deal with Grandpa's racism and compartmentalize it. Then he goes on a rant about how the Damn N*ggers Are Ruining Everything and, oh.
Oh.
Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2015 04:06 PM (MYCIw)
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Crazy Trump goes scorched earth and I ride in as the sensible alternative and cruise to the nomination.
???
profit!
???
profit!
Posted by: Jeb Bush at July 14, 2015 04:06 PM (Tj+s6)
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@299
Thanks for noticing.
Seriously, one thing that I learned about politics from Begala and Carville - when asked a question, say three negative things about your opponent, FIRST. No matter what the question is.
What time is it?
Failing candidate Clinton would tell you it is time to do what she says, but she's a failing bossy old grandma.
Thanks for noticing.
Seriously, one thing that I learned about politics from Begala and Carville - when asked a question, say three negative things about your opponent, FIRST. No matter what the question is.
What time is it?
Failing candidate Clinton would tell you it is time to do what she says, but she's a failing bossy old grandma.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2015 04:06 PM (2Ocf1)
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Seems like selective flabbergastery.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (bhepQ)
Yeah, like bringing race into the discussion about Trump when his statement wasn't racist. That's ignoring the fact that Mexican isn't a race. Why don't you just go and shill for GOPe and be done with it.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:40 PM (bhepQ)
Yeah, like bringing race into the discussion about Trump when his statement wasn't racist. That's ignoring the fact that Mexican isn't a race. Why don't you just go and shill for GOPe and be done with it.
Posted by: WOPR at July 14, 2015 04:06 PM (nRvEn)
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So win without us. Just be honest and say you are for Open Borders, Immigration Anarchy cuz Chamber of Commerce owns your ass and wants Cheap Labor and Nationalized Healthcare so they make more money. And forget about a middle class Ace - you won't have one.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 14, 2015 04:03 PM (oDCMR)
Considering Ace said he is done with the Republican party I don't think this phases him.
So win without us. Just be honest and say you are for Open Borders, Immigration Anarchy cuz Chamber of Commerce owns your ass and wants Cheap Labor and Nationalized Healthcare so they make more money. And forget about a middle class Ace - you won't have one.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 14, 2015 04:03 PM (oDCMR)
Considering Ace said he is done with the Republican party I don't think this phases him.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 04:06 PM (OLNwX)
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ACE GET ON THIS:
http://www.centerformedicalprogress.org/cmp/take-action/
If anything calls for the flaming skull this does.
Truly horrific and heartbreaking.
Something has to be done
http://www.centerformedicalprogress.org/cmp/take-action/
If anything calls for the flaming skull this does.
Truly horrific and heartbreaking.
Something has to be done
Posted by: RonUSA at July 14, 2015 04:06 PM (EaqMa)
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One time, just one time before I die, I would like to vote for someone and not against the other guy. Just once.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 14, 2015 04:07 PM (WiU5D)
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uhm. Cleavage. You promised major cleavage, then just whine moar about Trump?
In the whole field of candidates, is there ONE candidate who is a serious person?
No, there isn't. There is NOT one single person running who has the gravitas and vision to prevent the burning times from a-comin'.
#WASTF
In the whole field of candidates, is there ONE candidate who is a serious person?
No, there isn't. There is NOT one single person running who has the gravitas and vision to prevent the burning times from a-comin'.
#WASTF
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 14, 2015 04:07 PM (nqiq9)
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A lot of the Trump people on other boards are doing the same thing with Trump that the Democrats did with Obama.
They're projecting their wants and desires on to him without looking at what he actually, flagrantly is.
Trump is a RINO and as soon as these Trump people see that they will abandon him.
But for now, he's helping to shape the battleground for the next GOP nominee. Whether that candidate wins will be determined by how well they take advantage of the work Trump is doing now.
They're projecting their wants and desires on to him without looking at what he actually, flagrantly is.
Trump is a RINO and as soon as these Trump people see that they will abandon him.
But for now, he's helping to shape the battleground for the next GOP nominee. Whether that candidate wins will be determined by how well they take advantage of the work Trump is doing now.
Posted by: CozMark at July 14, 2015 04:07 PM (aKWBd)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 14, 2015 04:07 PM (xSCb6)
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1. Conservatives who admit racism, but note that many claims of it are fake outrage designed to exert control.
2. Conservatives who claim that, pretty much, there simply is no racism at all, at least none that needs to be addressed at a political level.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:29 PM (bhepQ)
I'm between 1 and 2. Of course racism exists. I know because I know a lot of legal immigrants from Europe and Asia and they are NOT fussed about being un-PC.
But it's not only not sanctioned by government, government goes to ridiculous lengths to be, well, racist in the other direction.
In fact, it's gotten to the point where the establishment accepts racism is the way to organize a society. That's what Social Justice demands. You have good races that should be rewarded and bad races that should be punished.
No significant establishment is racist either -- except, well, "reverse racism."
The only institutionalized racism I've ever known my entire life is Affirmative Action. Race is the most taboo of taboo subjects, to the point where people whisper when saying "black guy".
Government actions to combat racism tend to cause more problems than they solve. At least, they engender resentment. Look at Asians starting to wake up to their kids' futures in the California University system.
It's also why they've gone from "combat racism" to "social justice". It's not enough to work to be color-blind. You must re-interpret the colors you see.
2. Conservatives who claim that, pretty much, there simply is no racism at all, at least none that needs to be addressed at a political level.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:29 PM (bhepQ)
I'm between 1 and 2. Of course racism exists. I know because I know a lot of legal immigrants from Europe and Asia and they are NOT fussed about being un-PC.
But it's not only not sanctioned by government, government goes to ridiculous lengths to be, well, racist in the other direction.
In fact, it's gotten to the point where the establishment accepts racism is the way to organize a society. That's what Social Justice demands. You have good races that should be rewarded and bad races that should be punished.
No significant establishment is racist either -- except, well, "reverse racism."
The only institutionalized racism I've ever known my entire life is Affirmative Action. Race is the most taboo of taboo subjects, to the point where people whisper when saying "black guy".
Government actions to combat racism tend to cause more problems than they solve. At least, they engender resentment. Look at Asians starting to wake up to their kids' futures in the California University system.
It's also why they've gone from "combat racism" to "social justice". It's not enough to work to be color-blind. You must re-interpret the colors you see.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 14, 2015 04:07 PM (b65cm)
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I find it hilarious that Ace is complaining about censorship from Lauren at the same time he is saying we should not talk about illegal aliens because the Left have declared the topic out of bounds.
Posted by: East Bay KG at July 14, 2015 04:07 PM (uDCdI)
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315
Thehell with all this. I will never vote for a Democrat because
Progressive and Communist. I cannot not vote because see above. It's a
shitty dilemma, but the hour is getting late for standing on principles.
Boiling it down, I'm hoping, I guess, that any official in office not a
Democrat will not be as horrible. That sort of thinking keeps me able
to get out of bed in the morning.
Posted by: kraken at July 14, 2015 04:01 PM (u/Az+)
Here is the problem though. You don't think the GOP knows that? They believe we HAVE to vote for them to keep the progressives/commies/liberals out. And that is what 2014 did. We voted for them. And what did they do? Lets just say I'm still waiting for my reach-around.
Thehell with all this. I will never vote for a Democrat because
Progressive and Communist. I cannot not vote because see above. It's a
shitty dilemma, but the hour is getting late for standing on principles.
Boiling it down, I'm hoping, I guess, that any official in office not a
Democrat will not be as horrible. That sort of thinking keeps me able
to get out of bed in the morning.
Posted by: kraken at July 14, 2015 04:01 PM (u/Az+)
Here is the problem though. You don't think the GOP knows that? They believe we HAVE to vote for them to keep the progressives/commies/liberals out. And that is what 2014 did. We voted for them. And what did they do? Lets just say I'm still waiting for my reach-around.
Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at July 14, 2015 04:07 PM (DlmoZ)
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From what I understand and have been told, - nobody is angrier than Barack Obama. Barack Obama is also a clownish buffoon. But he's not a tycoon, so there's that.
Posted by: Fritz at July 14, 2015 04:07 PM (UzPAd)
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> but if this were true -- if Trump showed himself, data-wise, to actually be pulling in unexpected support --
He's polling ahead of all the other GOP contenders right now, in a packed field. He's doing SOMEthing right, no matter how fucking bad he is otherwise.
But no, the National Review 'conservatives' wants to insist that Trump is doing nothing right at all, period. Now if Jeb were at the front, we'd have to admit that clearly he was right about something.
And as for that mere 6-15% of the country supporting him - are you saying that 6-15% are to Republicans what blacks are to Democrats? Basically, 'The group the party knows they can count on, and thus doesn't have to do shit for, and for whom it would be in their best interests to split their votes because then their votes would have to be earned rather than counted on by default'?
He's polling ahead of all the other GOP contenders right now, in a packed field. He's doing SOMEthing right, no matter how fucking bad he is otherwise.
But no, the National Review 'conservatives' wants to insist that Trump is doing nothing right at all, period. Now if Jeb were at the front, we'd have to admit that clearly he was right about something.
And as for that mere 6-15% of the country supporting him - are you saying that 6-15% are to Republicans what blacks are to Democrats? Basically, 'The group the party knows they can count on, and thus doesn't have to do shit for, and for whom it would be in their best interests to split their votes because then their votes would have to be earned rather than counted on by default'?
Posted by: Crude at July 14, 2015 04:07 PM (DUynq)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 14, 2015 04:08 PM (xSCb6)
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3. Conservatives who are actually racist and don't think things can be "racist" per say because racism is, basically, truth.
There is a difference between this position and a malignant racist. So maybe there should be a "#4". There is a great deal that is genetic/culturally ingrained, and ignoring it is killing us, slowly or quickly, depending on whether you find yourself in a large group of "ethnic youths" in any city on any evening.
Are certain "races" morally/genetically "inferior"? No. But there are several problems faced by certain racial cohorts that do not follow the same trends across economic lines in all races.
"Racial realists" as it were may be and can be actual racists (i.e. believe in superiority/inferiority on an individual level based on race), but they are not completely overlapping in any way.
3. Conservatives who are actually racist and don't think things can be "racist" per say because racism is, basically, truth.
There is a difference between this position and a malignant racist. So maybe there should be a "#4". There is a great deal that is genetic/culturally ingrained, and ignoring it is killing us, slowly or quickly, depending on whether you find yourself in a large group of "ethnic youths" in any city on any evening.
Are certain "races" morally/genetically "inferior"? No. But there are several problems faced by certain racial cohorts that do not follow the same trends across economic lines in all races.
"Racial realists" as it were may be and can be actual racists (i.e. believe in superiority/inferiority on an individual level based on race), but they are not completely overlapping in any way.
Posted by: imp at July 14, 2015 04:08 PM (XIXZz)
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331 "The man knows his shit."
Posted by: Feh at July 14, 2015 04:02 PM
Judging by his public buildings, the man has a thing for bling, too.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 14, 2015 04:04 PM (JaVx+)
I had a perfect view to the west until Trump erected one of his Trump L'oeil hotels. Then again, the view was to Jersey City.
Posted by: Feh at July 14, 2015 04:02 PM
Judging by his public buildings, the man has a thing for bling, too.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 14, 2015 04:04 PM (JaVx+)
I had a perfect view to the west until Trump erected one of his Trump L'oeil hotels. Then again, the view was to Jersey City.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 04:08 PM (St6BJ)
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I also fail to see why "He insulted Mexico!" is such a bad thing when his chief opponents are a shameless grifter and an avowed socialist.
Posted by: Brewdog at July 14, 2015 04:08 PM (ZgUuK)
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BTW - everyone does realize that attacking Donald Trump and insulting him is equivalent to throwing Brer Rabbit into the briar patch?
Posted by: Mikey
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Sorry, Uncle Remus' folk wisdom has been banned, because some reason we can not articulate, because it doesn't make sense.
Posted by: Mikey
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Sorry, Uncle Remus' folk wisdom has been banned, because some reason we can not articulate, because it doesn't make sense.
Posted by: NAACP at July 14, 2015 04:09 PM (9mTYi)
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>>
"I walk 47 miles of barbed wire,
I use a cobra-snake for a necktie,
I got a brand new house on the roadside,
Made from rattlesnake hide,
I got a brand new chimney made on top,
Made out of a human skull,
Now come on take a walk with me, Paco,
And tell me, who do you love?"
"I walk 47 miles of barbed wire,
I use a cobra-snake for a necktie,
I got a brand new house on the roadside,
Made from rattlesnake hide,
I got a brand new chimney made on top,
Made out of a human skull,
Now come on take a walk with me, Paco,
And tell me, who do you love?"
Posted by: Donald Trump's Forehead Merkin at July 14, 2015 04:09 PM (uF/YH)
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Re: Trump's alleged business acumen.
My BFF from B-school worked with him directly during one of his workout/restructurings (whichever endeavor of his went tits up ca. 1990).
He said Trump is an actual moron in the not life-affirming way who surrounds himself with buffoons. I haven't seen anything to suggest that my friend misread him.
Re: Trump's alleged business acumen.
My BFF from B-school worked with him directly during one of his workout/restructurings (whichever endeavor of his went tits up ca. 1990).
He said Trump is an actual moron in the not life-affirming way who surrounds himself with buffoons. I haven't seen anything to suggest that my friend misread him.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:09 PM (JtwS4)
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To be honest, I would vote for Trump. Like myself, he's pro-choice.
Yeah thus the missing ghastly planned parenthood story.
But Ace, as much as I like the energy and focus on topics the press is bringing to the race through Trump's grandstanding, what if he is just in it to help Hillary win?
Yeah thus the missing ghastly planned parenthood story.
But Ace, as much as I like the energy and focus on topics the press is bringing to the race through Trump's grandstanding, what if he is just in it to help Hillary win?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 14, 2015 04:09 PM (39g3+)
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lot of the Trump people on other boards are doing the same thing with Trump that the Democrats did with Obama.
They're projecting their wants and desires on to him without looking at what he actually, flagrantly is.
Trump is a RINO and as soon as these Trump people see that they will abandon him.
But for now, he's helping to shape the battleground for the next GOP nominee. Whether that candidate wins will be determined by how well they take advantage of the work Trump is doing now.
Posted by: CozMark at July 14, 2015 04:07 PM
.....Well put!!!
They're projecting their wants and desires on to him without looking at what he actually, flagrantly is.
Trump is a RINO and as soon as these Trump people see that they will abandon him.
But for now, he's helping to shape the battleground for the next GOP nominee. Whether that candidate wins will be determined by how well they take advantage of the work Trump is doing now.
Posted by: CozMark at July 14, 2015 04:07 PM
.....Well put!!!
Posted by: Minnfidel at July 14, 2015 04:09 PM (cYXYO)
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I would look with an extremely jaundiced eye at polls numbers about Trump or Obama or anything else this point.
The MSM have set the memo-Trump is racist. Republicans are too. Whee!! I mean. who could see that coming!?!-We'll have racism back agin for the next election-just about a different group.
I don't like Trump. I think he's a self aggrandizing blowhard and tactless in how he phrases things. I don't support him as President but i think he's right about lots of crooks being sent here from Mexico. I think he's been taken out of context-What a surprise!!!/ sarc,
The MSM have set the memo-Trump is racist. Republicans are too. Whee!! I mean. who could see that coming!?!-We'll have racism back agin for the next election-just about a different group.
I don't like Trump. I think he's a self aggrandizing blowhard and tactless in how he phrases things. I don't support him as President but i think he's right about lots of crooks being sent here from Mexico. I think he's been taken out of context-What a surprise!!!/ sarc,
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2015 04:09 PM (OSs/l)
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Trump is a clown who will crash and burn soon enough. I think the point Limbaugh was trying to make is stop attacking each other and point your guns outward. Attack the Obama administration's massive failures and hang them around the Hildebeast's neck like an anchor.
Posted by: Timon at July 14, 2015 04:09 PM (ZDJwC)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:09 PM (zOTsN)
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Sorry, Uncle Remus' folk wisdom has been banned, because some reason we can not articulate, because it doesn't make sense.
Posted by: NAACP
You're dang right it don't make no sense.
Posted by: NAACP
You're dang right it don't make no sense.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 14, 2015 04:10 PM (/Ho8c)
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I am somewhat less than sanguine.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 14, 2015 04:10 PM (evdj2)
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How many times have we seen Karl Rove: "We have to pander to Hispanics! Pander harder! Look at the demographics! Pander harder! Harder I say!"
Posted by: Brewdog at July 14, 2015 04:10 PM (ZgUuK)
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To me, the swell of support for Trump is directly linked to the pissed-off base that got chump change for the last three elections. We've been told to shut up and give more money and elect moar GOP just because! Exactly like with the rise of Perot, when faced with squishy choices and after a few years of feckless leadership, folks want to rip .
Who actually cares what these candidates say anymore about jack? I'd say the majority of folks paying attention to politics on the right are about as cynical and upset as has occurred in a very long time. The GOPe owns this mess. Hell, they probably think they'll gain from it. But the status quo is over.
Who actually cares what these candidates say anymore about jack? I'd say the majority of folks paying attention to politics on the right are about as cynical and upset as has occurred in a very long time. The GOPe owns this mess. Hell, they probably think they'll gain from it. But the status quo is over.
Posted by: Yip at July 14, 2015 04:10 PM (e7T6D)
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@ 347 - "And marginally supporting abortion has a pretty low buy"
It's also an easy out, since the pro-choicer can always argue "SCOTUS settled it" while turning a blind eye while the states whittle it away.
It's also an easy out, since the pro-choicer can always argue "SCOTUS settled it" while turning a blind eye while the states whittle it away.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 14, 2015 04:10 PM (Mtb58)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 14, 2015 04:10 PM (oVJmc)
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>>> Do you believe Trump has actual positions that are consistent on anything? I mean besides his own awesomeness, how much he loves money and blondes?
He's a populist. They don't have to be consistent
He's a populist. They don't have to be consistent
Posted by: Bigby's Hand of Glory at July 14, 2015 04:10 PM (3ZtZW)
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>>Yeah, like bringing race into the discussion about Trump when his statement wasn't racist. That's ignoring the fact that Mexican isn't a race. Why don't you just go and shill for GOPe and be done with it.
right, all those hispanics who descended from the race of central/south american indians aren't a race.
You just totally can't tell hispanics aren't anglo, huh?
They say "Hispanic" isn't a race because Hispanic itself is just a language group; however, most Latins are indian-blooded. Latins are a mix of Spanish/portuguese colonials, and indigenous indians -- but the immigrants are largely the indian-blooded or mezito.
Or black, as in some areas. Descendants of slaves, or blacks escaping slavery.
there are more european "Hispanics," but they by and large aren't illegal immigrants -- because they're fairly wealthy an thus stay in their own country.
I love the persnicketty people who have all these ways to prove racism isn't racism, but are just wrong about everything.
right, all those hispanics who descended from the race of central/south american indians aren't a race.
You just totally can't tell hispanics aren't anglo, huh?
They say "Hispanic" isn't a race because Hispanic itself is just a language group; however, most Latins are indian-blooded. Latins are a mix of Spanish/portuguese colonials, and indigenous indians -- but the immigrants are largely the indian-blooded or mezito.
Or black, as in some areas. Descendants of slaves, or blacks escaping slavery.
there are more european "Hispanics," but they by and large aren't illegal immigrants -- because they're fairly wealthy an thus stay in their own country.
I love the persnicketty people who have all these ways to prove racism isn't racism, but are just wrong about everything.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:10 PM (bhepQ)
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353 One time, just one time before I die, I would like to vote for someone and not against the other guy. Just once.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 14, 2015 04:0
I have had that privilege. Its harder and harder to do so. About local elections now.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 14, 2015 04:0
I have had that privilege. Its harder and harder to do so. About local elections now.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 04:10 PM (OLNwX)
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353 One time, just one time before I die, I would like to vote for someone and not against the other guy. Just once.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 14, 2015 04:0
I have had that privilege. Its harder and harder to do so. About local elections now.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 14, 2015 04:0
I have had that privilege. Its harder and harder to do so. About local elections now.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 04:10 PM (OLNwX)
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I just can't work up that much anger for Donald Trump when they're trying so hard to sell me Jeb Bush.
Posted by: Brewdog
That. That right there is the point. The RNC knows Hillary is the worst finking choice the Dems could have for a candidate so the RNC tries all the harder to sell us the worst of the GOP. I'm sick of that taste in my mouth.
Posted by: Brewdog
That. That right there is the point. The RNC knows Hillary is the worst finking choice the Dems could have for a candidate so the RNC tries all the harder to sell us the worst of the GOP. I'm sick of that taste in my mouth.
Posted by: dogfish at July 14, 2015 04:10 PM (jWtyG)
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OT: The reason why economic illiterates keep on getting elected to office
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYhTFz_SGw0#t=166
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYhTFz_SGw0#t=166
Posted by: The Political Hat at July 14, 2015 04:10 PM (7YlUk)
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There's a fart joke in there somewhere.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 14, 2015 04:07 PM (xSCb6)
I know, right!
Something something we all blow up (in the bad way) something something.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 14, 2015 04:07 PM (xSCb6)
I know, right!
Something something we all blow up (in the bad way) something something.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 14, 2015 04:10 PM (mf5HN)
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hey, i'm *against* partial birth abortion, and abortion after 20 weeks
And that's the ground on which we win.
When it becomes an issue of high philosophy, we lose. When it becomes an issue of ghoulishness, we win.
Let's try to stop the ghoulishness first.
And that's the ground on which we win.
When it becomes an issue of high philosophy, we lose. When it becomes an issue of ghoulishness, we win.
Let's try to stop the ghoulishness first.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 14, 2015 04:10 PM (b65cm)
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362 Awww shit, someone's calling ace a RINO. Thread's gonna get even worse now.
I'm out.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 14, 2015 04:08 PM (xSCb6)
*popped into the thread and saw that
http://tinyurl.com/7wbqgwm
I'm out.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 14, 2015 04:08 PM (xSCb6)
*popped into the thread and saw that
http://tinyurl.com/7wbqgwm
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 14, 2015 04:10 PM (fWAjv)
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Pretending to still believe in democracy are we
Who believes that any candidate being 'pro life' matters anymore? We're just looking to get some foreign wars started so the secessions can begin
Who believes that any candidate being 'pro life' matters anymore? We're just looking to get some foreign wars started so the secessions can begin
Posted by: RiverC at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (Eg9+v)
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I'm going to puke. The death penalty groupies are going around implying that the victim went willingly with Zink. What young pretty woman wouldnt go off with a fat old ex con just out of the joint for kidnap and rape after he rams her car with his truck, leaving her purse in her car, to a motel for sexcapades? smh
I'm going to puke. The death penalty groupies are going around implying that the victim went willingly with Zink. What young pretty woman wouldnt go off with a fat old ex con just out of the joint for kidnap and rape after he rams her car with his truck, leaving her purse in her car, to a motel for sexcapades? smh
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (iQIUe)
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"i'm shocked and disappointed you'd play the My Sensitivity Requires Your Silence card. "
Again, turn your blog into Abortion R US for all I care, just know that I doubt I'm the only one who was struck by the tin eared statement of pro-choice solidarity today.
Again, turn your blog into Abortion R US for all I care, just know that I doubt I'm the only one who was struck by the tin eared statement of pro-choice solidarity today.
Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (MYCIw)
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I think Limbaugh was saying we can win on this issue but if you attack Trump on it you cant pick it up
and he is right
attack trump, not the issue
and he is right
attack trump, not the issue
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (zOTsN)
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Just to recap: I almost pulled McCain across the finish line in 08... Helped get lots of conservatives elected in 10... I did not run against Romney in 12... Took my convention snub in stride and urged my supporters to vote Romney... I'm not running in 16.
WTF is my crime against humanity?
WTF is my crime against humanity?
Posted by: Sarah Palin at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (Ui7Rt)
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I am still wondering how stating the obvious--that Mexico has sent us their worst felons and we are paying the price by letting them in over and over scott free--is somehow racist. I could not give two good shits what color these felons are or what their heritage is--rapin' and murderin' is exactly that.
If they were filthy Scandis doing it, I would be equally appalled.
The cry of racism is simply the easy way to shut down discussion. And, it's bullshit. Pure and simple.
Is everyone racist? Why do you suppose that biracial marriages are so rare, statistically speaking?
It is human nature.
When it reaches the public square and exits personal space, it should be kept in check. Until someone can tell me who it harms to say that the felons from Mexico are causing trouble, I refuse to assume that statement is racist.
How's that for splitting hairs but not playing the leftists' game.
If they were filthy Scandis doing it, I would be equally appalled.
The cry of racism is simply the easy way to shut down discussion. And, it's bullshit. Pure and simple.
Is everyone racist? Why do you suppose that biracial marriages are so rare, statistically speaking?
It is human nature.
When it reaches the public square and exits personal space, it should be kept in check. Until someone can tell me who it harms to say that the felons from Mexico are causing trouble, I refuse to assume that statement is racist.
How's that for splitting hairs but not playing the leftists' game.
Posted by: tcn at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (+YMhA)
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MOAR HINDUS
Posted by: Marco! Rubio! at July 14, 2015 03:44 PM (bgKZk)
But, but, but Rubio is a respectable candidate. He won't turn off the comfort class like ace.
Posted by: Marco! Rubio! at July 14, 2015 03:44 PM (bgKZk)
But, but, but Rubio is a respectable candidate. He won't turn off the comfort class like ace.
Posted by: WOPR at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (nRvEn)
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342 >>>o win without us. Just be honest and say you are for Open Borders, Immigration Anarchy cuz Chamber of Commerce owns your ass and wants Cheap Labor and Nationalized Healthcare so they make more money. And forget about a middle class Ace - you won't have one.
oh -- i'm for Open Borders now?
I'm for the CoC?
Oh okay, Crying Eagle.
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Please point to one candidate of our 17 candidates other than Trump that has firmly stated they are against Illegal Immigration. Just one. Trump has unmasked the CoC stooges in service to Jeb.
If Walker declared he would freeze all immigration via Executive Order he would win the presidency. Other than that we are looking at DemPub Corporate Amnesty no matter how we vote.
oh -- i'm for Open Borders now?
I'm for the CoC?
Oh okay, Crying Eagle.
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Please point to one candidate of our 17 candidates other than Trump that has firmly stated they are against Illegal Immigration. Just one. Trump has unmasked the CoC stooges in service to Jeb.
If Walker declared he would freeze all immigration via Executive Order he would win the presidency. Other than that we are looking at DemPub Corporate Amnesty no matter how we vote.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (oDCMR)
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Trump isn't my first choice, but without him, the country would be talking about the confederate flag and why all white people suck instead of immigration. If someone wants to lead the country, they better stand up and start talking.
Posted by: jwest at July 14, 2015 03:53 PM (P/xrJ)
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As I asked upthread, who else on the repub candidacy stage is going to be willing to take up the banner that Trump is flying now? I don't see a single one. Cruz has come the closest, but most of the commenters here don't believe Cruz is going to get the nomination either.
So who does that leave? Nobody as far as I can see.
Posted by: jwest at July 14, 2015 03:53 PM (P/xrJ)
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As I asked upthread, who else on the repub candidacy stage is going to be willing to take up the banner that Trump is flying now? I don't see a single one. Cruz has come the closest, but most of the commenters here don't believe Cruz is going to get the nomination either.
So who does that leave? Nobody as far as I can see.
Posted by: Soona at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (P25Hh)
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Here is the problem though. You don't think the GOP knows that? They believe we HAVE to vote for them to keep the progressives/commies/liberals out. And that is what 2014 did. We voted for them.
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See: Thom Tillis (NC)
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See: Thom Tillis (NC)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (9mTYi)
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He's polling ahead of all the other GOP contenders right now, in a packed field. He's doing SOMEthing right, no matter how fucking bad he is otherwise. But no, the National Review 'conservatives' wants to insist that Trump is doing nothing right at all, period. Now if Jeb were at the front, we'd have to admit that clearly he was right about something.
Our problem is, it is possible that TrumpIS doing something right, AND that none of the others are,AND that he's still a train wreck. Or a Hillary dem.
Right now, he appears as a giant compared to the lying, snivelling cowards, especially those lurking in the Senate.
Our problem is, it is possible that TrumpIS doing something right, AND that none of the others are,AND that he's still a train wreck. Or a Hillary dem.
Right now, he appears as a giant compared to the lying, snivelling cowards, especially those lurking in the Senate.
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (Spluw)
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in any event, the point wouldn't hold even if it were true (which it's obviously not) -- A "Jew" doesn't have to be a semite; he could be a very german-blooded person, but it would take quite a persnickety anklebiter to claim that you can't be "racist" against Jews because Jews are a religious grouping *in addition to* a racial one.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (bhepQ)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (kdS6q)
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368 He said Trump is an actual moron in the not life-affirming way who surrounds himself with buffoons. I haven't seen anything to suggest that my friend misread him.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:09 PM (JtwS4)
And yet, he's turned papas $40 million into an empire. At least he had the skill to convince banks to lend him shit tons of money.
I'd see he's one shrewd dude, even if he's thin on solid accomplishments, he's sold his name like it's the elixir of life itself. Something to be said for that.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:09 PM (JtwS4)
And yet, he's turned papas $40 million into an empire. At least he had the skill to convince banks to lend him shit tons of money.
I'd see he's one shrewd dude, even if he's thin on solid accomplishments, he's sold his name like it's the elixir of life itself. Something to be said for that.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 04:12 PM (St6BJ)
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WTF is my crime against humanity?
Posted by: Sarah Palin at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (Ui7Rt)
Sweetie, we are both just nonpeople from the nonplace of Alaska. Get with the program.
Posted by: Sarah Palin at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (Ui7Rt)
Sweetie, we are both just nonpeople from the nonplace of Alaska. Get with the program.
Posted by: tcn at July 14, 2015 04:12 PM (+YMhA)
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Partial birth abortion is state-sanctioned murder, plain and simple.
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 14, 2015 04:12 PM (2cS/G)
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>>.He's polling ahead of all the other GOP contenders right now, in a packed field. He's doing SOMEthing right, no matter how fucking bad he is otherwise.
he's at 15% in a broken field, among r primary voters, who are like 20% of the country.
Good Lord.
he's at 15% in a broken field, among r primary voters, who are like 20% of the country.
Good Lord.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:12 PM (bhepQ)
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 14, 2015 04:12 PM (Mtb58)
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The only thing I like about Trump is his ability to get unfiltered publicity. If someone else tries to spin his words or purposefully quotes those words out of necessary context, he goes after that writer like a rabid dog.
While no one wants to see a pack of rabid dogs for candidates, its still instructive. Social media is helping candidates get their unfiltered words to the voters but publicity is still missing. Its the publicity factor that Trump can teach.
Carly Fiorina needs publicity. Scott Walker needs publicity. So does Rick Perry, desperately.
Instead of attacking Trump, I hope they all watch and learn.
While no one wants to see a pack of rabid dogs for candidates, its still instructive. Social media is helping candidates get their unfiltered words to the voters but publicity is still missing. Its the publicity factor that Trump can teach.
Carly Fiorina needs publicity. Scott Walker needs publicity. So does Rick Perry, desperately.
Instead of attacking Trump, I hope they all watch and learn.
Posted by: MTF at July 14, 2015 04:12 PM (DkJ4E)
Posted by: Ken at July 14, 2015 04:12 PM (LXJ1e)
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If you're not angry you haven't been paying attention.
Posted by: I. Dindoo Nuffin at July 14, 2015 04:12 PM (5fSr7)
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>>He's polling ahead of all the other GOP contenders right now, in a packed field. He's doing SOMEthing right, no matter how fucking bad he is otherwise.
He was doing well in the polls right out of the gate. Name recognition is pretty much the key to poll support right now and nobody has that more than Trump.
Trump was every bit as loud last cycle only his issue du jour then was birtherism. Most people realized that whatever the reality of his birth was it was an issue that had lost whatever potency it had when it first was brought up and Trump sunk beneath the waves.
I think it's good that he has brought illegal immigration to the fore despite the inelegant way he did it. But I have no doubt this is nothing more than The Donald being The Donald and pimping his own brand.
He was doing well in the polls right out of the gate. Name recognition is pretty much the key to poll support right now and nobody has that more than Trump.
Trump was every bit as loud last cycle only his issue du jour then was birtherism. Most people realized that whatever the reality of his birth was it was an issue that had lost whatever potency it had when it first was brought up and Trump sunk beneath the waves.
I think it's good that he has brought illegal immigration to the fore despite the inelegant way he did it. But I have no doubt this is nothing more than The Donald being The Donald and pimping his own brand.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2015 04:13 PM (OGm46)
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I wouldn't be surprised if the drug mafia in Mexico doesn't do Trump in somehow with an unfortunate accident, like Bernie will probably get moved out of the way. The drug mafia is probably helping the Secret Service protect Hillary.
Posted by: Colin at July 14, 2015 04:13 PM (WQLtV)
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O'Reilly clip was just played on Fox where he interviewed the parents of Kate Steinle...
O'Reilly: What did she say to you before she went down?
Mr. Steinle: Help me, Dad.
FWIW, I don't care much about what Trump is all about right now. Or the fact that his politics are all over the place. I strongly support what he's saying on this topic.
O'Reilly: What did she say to you before she went down?
Mr. Steinle: Help me, Dad.
FWIW, I don't care much about what Trump is all about right now. Or the fact that his politics are all over the place. I strongly support what he's saying on this topic.
Posted by: Lady in Black at July 14, 2015 04:13 PM (ut/y7)
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I can't remember who it was that pointed this out, but what's going to be easier for the GOP to do:
Pick up 15-30% of the Hispanic vote
Pick up 5-10% more of the White vote
Pandering to Hispanics is never going to work because Dems pander better and have all the bully pulpits.
Pick up 15-30% of the Hispanic vote
Pick up 5-10% more of the White vote
Pandering to Hispanics is never going to work because Dems pander better and have all the bully pulpits.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 14, 2015 04:13 PM (39g3+)
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re polling... I think Trump will do very well with LEGAL immigrants including hispanics. I think his populist message will resonate across party lines and his history of playing both sides will garner Donk and Indy voters
Posted by: Yip at July 14, 2015 04:13 PM (e7T6D)
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I don't think the majority of people who are "Trump supporters" are actually "Trump Supporters". Nobody thinks, at this point, that he's a viable candidate. They think his rhetoric is going to strike a chord with one or more of the other candidates, who will take up the mantel of illegal immigration, just with a little more polish than Trump himself. Personally, I'm worried because I believe the candidates will not take on the issue headon, as Trump has, because they know the big money donors don't want them to and any serious candidate needs the big money donors to make any kind of headway in the primary. Trump is appealing because he doesn't need the donors.
Also, Gutfeld on the 5 the other day said something along the lines of "Anger is not a reason to vote". He's hopelessly naive. We got 8 years of Obama because of the unmitigated rage that liberals were full of prior to the elections. I think anger is good, anger can work, if it a. draws attention to the issues people REALLY care about and b. if it causes people to go out to the polls to defeat their enemies (and see them driven before them and to hear the lamentations of their woman - which in Hillary's case, would mean Billy Jeff).
Also, Gutfeld on the 5 the other day said something along the lines of "Anger is not a reason to vote". He's hopelessly naive. We got 8 years of Obama because of the unmitigated rage that liberals were full of prior to the elections. I think anger is good, anger can work, if it a. draws attention to the issues people REALLY care about and b. if it causes people to go out to the polls to defeat their enemies (and see them driven before them and to hear the lamentations of their woman - which in Hillary's case, would mean Billy Jeff).
Posted by: Mrs. Clinton's Snizz at July 14, 2015 04:13 PM (vDEpI)
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What the fuck do you think the GOP is going to do about abortion? Planned Parenthood is selling the parts on ebay. Trump can't make it worse, so it's a non-issue. It won't change one bit the whole 8 years a GOP candidate might be in office. The GOP intends to do nothing about abortion other than flap their gums.
Posted by: DFCtomm at July 14, 2015 04:13 PM (MAt0I)
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Ace, if I may, this is a bit strawman:
"But the people who are up in arms in Trump devotion -- why is it wrong, suddenly, to oppose a pro-partial-birth-abortion, pro-total-amnesty, Hillary-donating, crony-capitalist buffoon?"
Trump has always stated that he's pro life and hates abortion but that he's pro-choice.
So what? What does that position have to do with the federal government. Now he has said that he has become pro-life except for rape, incest and life of mother. But again. So FUCKING WHAT? Even instapundit pointed out that federal law had no business banning partial birth abortion, as much as we all hate it.
He's for legal status. Tell me who isn't. But he's said that it's all conditional on sealing the fucking border and confirming it's controlled. Yeah, it's the Reagan deal but this time in reverse.
Trust me folks, that's about the best you're gonna get.
Hillary donating. Yes supporting Dems in the past is going to make you like a total kook in the general election, you know, WHERE DEMS ARE ALSO PULLING THE LEVERS.
Crony-capitalist? I have yet to see the evidence of this. TARP was the right move even if not done perfectly. It's a confidence game. JP Morgan did the SAME FUCKING THING at the turn of the century. Not one red cent was lost on TARP and it was all paid back with interest.
So again I ask you, it's not Trump devotion per se, it's that the "criticisms" are extraordinarily fucking weak.
Yeah Buzzfeed, Trump said Obama was doing a good job in FUCKING 2009 for continuing on with TARP. And he was right on that point.
"But the people who are up in arms in Trump devotion -- why is it wrong, suddenly, to oppose a pro-partial-birth-abortion, pro-total-amnesty, Hillary-donating, crony-capitalist buffoon?"
Trump has always stated that he's pro life and hates abortion but that he's pro-choice.
So what? What does that position have to do with the federal government. Now he has said that he has become pro-life except for rape, incest and life of mother. But again. So FUCKING WHAT? Even instapundit pointed out that federal law had no business banning partial birth abortion, as much as we all hate it.
He's for legal status. Tell me who isn't. But he's said that it's all conditional on sealing the fucking border and confirming it's controlled. Yeah, it's the Reagan deal but this time in reverse.
Trust me folks, that's about the best you're gonna get.
Hillary donating. Yes supporting Dems in the past is going to make you like a total kook in the general election, you know, WHERE DEMS ARE ALSO PULLING THE LEVERS.
Crony-capitalist? I have yet to see the evidence of this. TARP was the right move even if not done perfectly. It's a confidence game. JP Morgan did the SAME FUCKING THING at the turn of the century. Not one red cent was lost on TARP and it was all paid back with interest.
So again I ask you, it's not Trump devotion per se, it's that the "criticisms" are extraordinarily fucking weak.
Yeah Buzzfeed, Trump said Obama was doing a good job in FUCKING 2009 for continuing on with TARP. And he was right on that point.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:13 PM (q5APL)
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there are more european "Hispanics," but they by and large aren't illegal immigrants -- because they're fairly wealthy an thus stay in their own country.
But therein lies the hypocrisy. The point that people misstate is that "Hispanic" is too broad. In fact, Federal forms don't list it as a race but either as an ethnicity or distinguish between "white-non-Hispanic" and "Hispanic".
And, of course, it leads to the absurdity that a Spanish/Portuguese immigrant is lumped in with a Mexican whose descent may or may not be Indo-American.
The issue there is, of course, Affirmative Action.
But therein lies the hypocrisy. The point that people misstate is that "Hispanic" is too broad. In fact, Federal forms don't list it as a race but either as an ethnicity or distinguish between "white-non-Hispanic" and "Hispanic".
And, of course, it leads to the absurdity that a Spanish/Portuguese immigrant is lumped in with a Mexican whose descent may or may not be Indo-American.
The issue there is, of course, Affirmative Action.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 14, 2015 04:13 PM (b65cm)
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>>>And yet, he's turned papas $40 million into an empire. At least he had the skill to convince banks to lend him shit tons of money.
yeah he really did something with that minor bequeathment of a mere $40 MILLION, which, back then, was like $600 million.
what a scrapper!
yeah he really did something with that minor bequeathment of a mere $40 MILLION, which, back then, was like $600 million.
what a scrapper!
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:13 PM (bhepQ)
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The ONLY thing I like about Trump is that he is willing to say some unpleasant truths that people need to accept. In the case of illegal immigration it is that the majority are not misty-eyed dreamers doing acts of love. Some are complete shitbags. Some are barely competent who know they can come here and do shit work off the books for more money than in their third world shithole. Some are great. But if you're not willing to filter the schmucks through the legal immigration process, it turns into the clusterfuck we have now. What is wrong with pointing out we're getting some real turds over the border?
There are a lot more unpleasant realities coming up wrt spending and entitlements, I'd rather have someone who knows how to kick a little hard truths than some mealy-mouthed pussy. You can believe in frying babies for breakfast so long as you know how to call a spade a spade (denounce myself).
There are a lot more unpleasant realities coming up wrt spending and entitlements, I'd rather have someone who knows how to kick a little hard truths than some mealy-mouthed pussy. You can believe in frying babies for breakfast so long as you know how to call a spade a spade (denounce myself).
Posted by: The Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2015 04:13 PM (8d1Bh)
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Ace, the Donald claims to have changed his mind on some of those issues (including abortion). And while you can claim politicians lie all the time, the reality is that if the Donald cared about nothing other than becoming president to gratify his ego he wouldn't run as a republican, he'd run as a Democrat, on his liberal record, and easily crush Hillary and Bernie Sanders who, collectively, have the personality of a pet rock.
More importantly, the establishment isn't attacking Trump because of his liberal positions, they're attacking him because of his centerpiece conservative position.
My only hope for Donald Trump is that he'll finally destroy the Republican party.
More importantly, the establishment isn't attacking Trump because of his liberal positions, they're attacking him because of his centerpiece conservative position.
My only hope for Donald Trump is that he'll finally destroy the Republican party.
Posted by: Johnny at July 14, 2015 04:13 PM (WvGsS)
422
400 in any event, the point wouldn't hold even if it were true (which it's obviously not) -- A "Jew" doesn't have to be a semite; he could be a very german-blooded person, but it would take quite a persnickety anklebiter to claim that you can't be "racist" against Jews because Jews are a religious grouping *in addition to* a racial one.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (bhepQ)
I think you will find it is more nuanced than that. My son is Guatemalan, but he is not "hispanic," whatever that really means. He is a Mayan Indian. The same is true of many Mexicans. Mexican is a nationality, not a race.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (bhepQ)
I think you will find it is more nuanced than that. My son is Guatemalan, but he is not "hispanic," whatever that really means. He is a Mayan Indian. The same is true of many Mexicans. Mexican is a nationality, not a race.
Posted by: tcn at July 14, 2015 04:14 PM (+YMhA)
423
The only thing I like about Trump is his ability to get unfiltered publicity
Yeah but he only gets that now because the press thinks it hurts Republicans.
Yeah but he only gets that now because the press thinks it hurts Republicans.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 14, 2015 04:14 PM (39g3+)
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well, Trump has to get the GOP nomination first, and I don't see that happening
incidentally, who on the GOP side has more international experience than him?
"Jeb has a Mexican wife" is the closest competitor?
incidentally, who on the GOP side has more international experience than him?
"Jeb has a Mexican wife" is the closest competitor?
Posted by: Feh at July 14, 2015 04:15 PM (fY/0z)
425
Also, there's no winning on the abortion thing. It's been 40 years or so and the supposed moral majority has done what? Let slip the same sex marriage WHILE managing to not walk back the abortion thing past North Korea.
At this point we know everyone who isn't an idiot knows that abortions are murders. Signalling pro life is just telling people how moral you are. It's understood that our society is a godless sodom in need of meteoric judgment.
I'm not voting though so take it with a grain of salt
At this point we know everyone who isn't an idiot knows that abortions are murders. Signalling pro life is just telling people how moral you are. It's understood that our society is a godless sodom in need of meteoric judgment.
I'm not voting though so take it with a grain of salt
Posted by: RiverC at July 14, 2015 04:15 PM (Eg9+v)
426
WTF is my crime against humanity?
Posted by: Sarah Palin at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (Ui7Rt)___
You almost cost the lightbringer the presidency?
WTF is my crime against humanity?
Posted by: Sarah Palin at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (Ui7Rt)___
You almost cost the lightbringer the presidency?
Posted by: The Left at July 14, 2015 04:15 PM (78TbK)
427
For fuck's sake, it is still early, give it some time before you all wet yourselves in histrionics, would you? Let the process work itself out. Running around braying like a fightened herd is not doing anyone any good. Grow a goddam back bone.
This is all healthy for Democracy. It is Trump's message and the delivery that resonate. If any of the other candidates presented themselves as a fighter and not a fraud or capitulator, especially on immigration, then he'd have my support. Immigration has to change. Illegal immigration has to stop now.
Whatever Trumps motivation is, even if he fell into the immigration crucible by accident, he hit a nerve here. Now let the other candidates position themselves. We're never going to win on the immigration issue anyway, so there is truthfully no damage done.
Stop treating the race like fantasy football and get serious.
This is all healthy for Democracy. It is Trump's message and the delivery that resonate. If any of the other candidates presented themselves as a fighter and not a fraud or capitulator, especially on immigration, then he'd have my support. Immigration has to change. Illegal immigration has to stop now.
Whatever Trumps motivation is, even if he fell into the immigration crucible by accident, he hit a nerve here. Now let the other candidates position themselves. We're never going to win on the immigration issue anyway, so there is truthfully no damage done.
Stop treating the race like fantasy football and get serious.
Posted by: Phil at July 14, 2015 04:15 PM (DjpfO)
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Ace and Rush are right.
Trump is not our best candidate, but there is no need for "firing" on him. Let him do the all damage to dems he can. While he's at it, do not "fire" at him.
P.S.: ACE as RonUSA points out check the latest PP busting video. Those monsters are now in full fledged human [children] flesh trade.
Trump is not our best candidate, but there is no need for "firing" on him. Let him do the all damage to dems he can. While he's at it, do not "fire" at him.
P.S.: ACE as RonUSA points out check the latest PP busting video. Those monsters are now in full fledged human [children] flesh trade.
Posted by: Son of Liberty at July 14, 2015 04:15 PM (uingK)
429
I almost pulled McCain across the finish line in 08... Helped get lots of conservatives elected in 10... I did not run against Romney in 12... Took my convention snub in stride and urged my supporters to vote Romney... I'm not running in 16. WTF is my crime against humanity?
Posted by: Sarah Palin
https://youtu.be/2ywX3suZIjw?t=30s
I almost pulled McCain across the finish line in 08... Helped get lots of conservatives elected in 10... I did not run against Romney in 12... Took my convention snub in stride and urged my supporters to vote Romney... I'm not running in 16. WTF is my crime against humanity?
Posted by: Sarah Palin
https://youtu.be/2ywX3suZIjw?t=30s
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 14, 2015 04:16 PM (kdS6q)
430
Ace has convinced me.
I will go back to supporting mush mouthed, middle of the road, inoffensive candidates who may get elected (but probably not) and then, after they get elected, change absolutely nothing, maybe even make things worse.
I will go back to supporting mush mouthed, middle of the road, inoffensive candidates who may get elected (but probably not) and then, after they get elected, change absolutely nothing, maybe even make things worse.
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at July 14, 2015 04:16 PM (JgC5a)
431
>>>Again, turn your blog into Abortion R US for all I care, just know that I doubt I'm the only one who was struck by the tin eared statement of pro-choice solidarity today.
so i should Police My Tone and Check My Privilege?
Okay, at any rate, I did not know until upthread that you had given birth. Congratulations. We need more children of good people.
so i should Police My Tone and Check My Privilege?
Okay, at any rate, I did not know until upthread that you had given birth. Congratulations. We need more children of good people.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:16 PM (bhepQ)
432
Rush is right, though. Republicans have to stop reflexively tearing each other down. It truly is the biggest advantage the Democrats have in 2016. There's no way a Republican candidate emerges unscathed. At this point, it's most likely that the eventual Republican nominee will be shot full of holes and playing defense all the way.
And stop telling me that Trump "hurts the Republican brand." An entire industry exists to hurt the Republican brand no matter what we say or do.
And stop telling me that Trump "hurts the Republican brand." An entire industry exists to hurt the Republican brand no matter what we say or do.
Posted by: Brewdog at July 14, 2015 04:16 PM (ZgUuK)
433
419 >>>And yet, he's turned papas $40 million into an empire. At least he had the skill to convince banks to lend him shit tons of money.
yeah he really did something with that minor bequeathment of a mere $40 MILLION, which, back then, was like $600 million.
what a scrapper!
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:13 PM (bhepQ)
Ace, SCOAMF took $50 million dollars from Annenberg/Ayers and turned it into - zero.
I suppose it's more impressive if he started out like the 4 Yorkshiremen, but the guy built an empire and people flocked to do business with him.
It says something, dude. You gotta admit it.
yeah he really did something with that minor bequeathment of a mere $40 MILLION, which, back then, was like $600 million.
what a scrapper!
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:13 PM (bhepQ)
Ace, SCOAMF took $50 million dollars from Annenberg/Ayers and turned it into - zero.
I suppose it's more impressive if he started out like the 4 Yorkshiremen, but the guy built an empire and people flocked to do business with him.
It says something, dude. You gotta admit it.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 04:16 PM (St6BJ)
434
The GOP intends to do nothing about abortion other than flap their gums.
President Bush, the day he took office, banned free abortions on military bases overseas for locals, banned stem cell research funding, and took several other major steps to reduce abortion and its availability, such as changing heads of departments involved with health inspections etc.
President Obama immediately reversed all this.
The president can actually take action on this, and will, depending on their outlook. Will congress do anything? No.
President Bush, the day he took office, banned free abortions on military bases overseas for locals, banned stem cell research funding, and took several other major steps to reduce abortion and its availability, such as changing heads of departments involved with health inspections etc.
President Obama immediately reversed all this.
The president can actually take action on this, and will, depending on their outlook. Will congress do anything? No.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 14, 2015 04:16 PM (39g3+)
435
Yeah but he only gets that now because the press thinks it hurts Republicans.
It's Trump. Americans are fascinated by his odd-talking sleaze.
It's Trump. Americans are fascinated by his odd-talking sleaze.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 14, 2015 04:16 PM (zVr6t)
436
"Where is your evidence of that?"
The Democrats were about as unified as a tub of live bait after the Carter years until Clinton. Then that reworking of the coalition blew up and they reunified under Obama.
Big coalitions are clumsy and short-lived by their nature - there are no permanent majorities in American politics. Someone comes in who can bring the factions together, addressing enough of the various concerns to get some unified direction. After awhile the factions tire of their roles in that settlement, the leadership can't hold it together and then the squabbling, the name-calling, and the tears. Always the tears.
After a time in the wilderness someone comes along, works out a settlement, and the factions reunify for another run. Sort of like how China's history has gone.
These are my observations.
The Democrats were about as unified as a tub of live bait after the Carter years until Clinton. Then that reworking of the coalition blew up and they reunified under Obama.
Big coalitions are clumsy and short-lived by their nature - there are no permanent majorities in American politics. Someone comes in who can bring the factions together, addressing enough of the various concerns to get some unified direction. After awhile the factions tire of their roles in that settlement, the leadership can't hold it together and then the squabbling, the name-calling, and the tears. Always the tears.
After a time in the wilderness someone comes along, works out a settlement, and the factions reunify for another run. Sort of like how China's history has gone.
These are my observations.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 14, 2015 04:16 PM (hLRSq)
437
Being anti-abortion isn't about being moral, it's about being human.
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 14, 2015 04:16 PM (2cS/G)
438
Conservatives have focused since the 60s on winning elections.
Liberals have focused since the 60s on getting control of cultural institutions.
We see now what was more important. We need to suck it up that we are going to be losing elections for a long time. Yes, that makes sane people angry but we have to focus that energy into winning back cultural institutions, or start shooting.
It's why, in spite of my hatred of illegal immigrants (and it is hatred and I don't apologize) since watching California become a third world hell hole, I am supporting Walker. Yes, he'll get squishy on immigrants, I've accepted that.
But Walker hits the left where they live: he decimated their support structure. He is the ONLY Republican to get that killing the left wing support structure was the single most important thing he could do -- kill their money supply, kill their tenured job, kill their infrastructure.
Walker may not agree with some of my most important issues, but he is the ONLY candidate who has figured out how to ACTUALLY DAMAGE THE LEFT.
And I'm also participating in Sad Puppies and #gamergate, even though I am not a gamer. Every time we can cut the legs out from under the left, that's what we should do.
Liberals have focused since the 60s on getting control of cultural institutions.
We see now what was more important. We need to suck it up that we are going to be losing elections for a long time. Yes, that makes sane people angry but we have to focus that energy into winning back cultural institutions, or start shooting.
It's why, in spite of my hatred of illegal immigrants (and it is hatred and I don't apologize) since watching California become a third world hell hole, I am supporting Walker. Yes, he'll get squishy on immigrants, I've accepted that.
But Walker hits the left where they live: he decimated their support structure. He is the ONLY Republican to get that killing the left wing support structure was the single most important thing he could do -- kill their money supply, kill their tenured job, kill their infrastructure.
Walker may not agree with some of my most important issues, but he is the ONLY candidate who has figured out how to ACTUALLY DAMAGE THE LEFT.
And I'm also participating in Sad Puppies and #gamergate, even though I am not a gamer. Every time we can cut the legs out from under the left, that's what we should do.
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at July 14, 2015 04:17 PM (hslAc)
439
I think you will find it is more nuanced than that. My son is Guatemalan, but he is not "hispanic," whatever that really means. He is a Mayan Indian. The same is true of many Mexicans. Mexican is a nationality, not a race.
Posted by: tcn at July 14, 2015 04:14 PM (+YMhA)
===========
Has he built any pyramids in the backyard? Hell, I would kill for a mott and bailey in mine.
Posted by: tcn at July 14, 2015 04:14 PM (+YMhA)
===========
Has he built any pyramids in the backyard? Hell, I would kill for a mott and bailey in mine.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 14, 2015 04:17 PM (iQIUe)
440
I'm super-duper mad at the Republicans and I'm washing my hands of them!
Which is why I am supporting ĦJeb!
Which is why I am supporting ĦJeb!
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 14, 2015 04:17 PM (Mtb58)
Posted by: Feh at July 14, 2015 04:17 PM (fY/0z)
442
So, just to be clear Ace-
In this adventure my Mage, who is an Ethiopian Jew, gets +2 Protection against Racial Attacks?
In this adventure my Mage, who is an Ethiopian Jew, gets +2 Protection against Racial Attacks?
Posted by: Garrett at July 14, 2015 04:17 PM (uF/YH)
443
@235: "He gave not one single fvck about the black community, other than votes."
How dare you accuse me of acknowledging a "black community." Everybody knows what I done called 'em.
How dare you accuse me of acknowledging a "black community." Everybody knows what I done called 'em.
Posted by: Lydon Johnson at July 14, 2015 04:17 PM (amQXf)
444
>I'm really surprised the GOP candidates aren't running with Trump's anti-amnesty stuff.
You would appear to be unfamiliar with the US Chamber of Commerce.
You would appear to be unfamiliar with the US Chamber of Commerce.
Posted by: V the K at July 14, 2015 04:17 PM (O7MnT)
445
By the way - there are very few candidates who look presidential and Walker is not one of them. He looks like a deacon-cum-small-group-leader at the local methodist church.
Trump, Rand Paul, Carson, and that lady whoever she is - these folks have the hardness of appearance necessary to appear on a dollar bill. The rest are VP material at best. (And probably very good VP material at that!)
Trump, Rand Paul, Carson, and that lady whoever she is - these folks have the hardness of appearance necessary to appear on a dollar bill. The rest are VP material at best. (And probably very good VP material at that!)
Posted by: RiverC at July 14, 2015 04:17 PM (Eg9+v)
446
437 Being anti-abortion isn't about being moral, it's about being human.
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 14, 2015 04:16 PM (2cS/G)
Anyone can be human. Morality is what elevates us from the beasts and the leftists.
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 14, 2015 04:16 PM (2cS/G)
Anyone can be human. Morality is what elevates us from the beasts and the leftists.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 04:17 PM (St6BJ)
447
The same is true of many Mexicans. Mexican is a nationality, not a race.
This is true! somehow race gets into the equation, somehow, by many people.
This is true! somehow race gets into the equation, somehow, by many people.
Posted by: Colin at July 14, 2015 04:17 PM (WQLtV)
448
what part is racist. serious here. they work hard. but too many alos bring illness, crime, gangs and dysfunction
lots of ID theft (not for status but for credit card fraud)
we aren't getting the mensa members here and most are from central america now
what part is racist. serious here. they work hard. but too many alos bring illness, crime, gangs and dysfunction
lots of ID theft (not for status but for credit card fraud)
we aren't getting the mensa members here and most are from central america now
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:17 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: traye at July 14, 2015 04:18 PM (xlQzy)
450
@ 419 - "yeah he really did something with that minor bequeathment of a mere $40 MILLION, which, back then, was like $600 million.
what a scrapper!"
What do you want, Ace? At least he didn't spend it on french fries or something.
what a scrapper!"
What do you want, Ace? At least he didn't spend it on french fries or something.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 14, 2015 04:18 PM (Mtb58)
451
>>>It says something, dude. You gotta admit it.
to be honest I'm not sure that Trump did much more with his $40 MILLION BEQUEATHMENT -- in, what, 1970 dollars? -- than passive investment + inflation would have done.
to be honest I'm not sure that Trump did much more with his $40 MILLION BEQUEATHMENT -- in, what, 1970 dollars? -- than passive investment + inflation would have done.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:18 PM (bhepQ)
452
And stop telling me that Trump "hurts the Republican brand." An entire industry exists to hurt the Republican brand no matter what we say or do.
Yeah, being concerned about how the press or the left will react is a non-starter. We know how they will react: opposition, lies, and hysteria. That's true no matter what you do or say if you aren't one of them. That has to be taken off the table entirely. Ignore them, stonewall their complaints, and never back down. Never, ever. That's what Trump is showing the GOP that they should be learning from, if they weren't idiots.
Yeah, being concerned about how the press or the left will react is a non-starter. We know how they will react: opposition, lies, and hysteria. That's true no matter what you do or say if you aren't one of them. That has to be taken off the table entirely. Ignore them, stonewall their complaints, and never back down. Never, ever. That's what Trump is showing the GOP that they should be learning from, if they weren't idiots.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 14, 2015 04:18 PM (39g3+)
453
See: Thom Tillis (NC)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (9mTYi)
He's not the only one Mr. Hammer. But I understand your point that he is your senator.
See: Thom Tillis (NC)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 14, 2015 04:11 PM (9mTYi)
He's not the only one Mr. Hammer. But I understand your point that he is your senator.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 04:18 PM (OLNwX)
454
Hmmm....
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 14, 2015 04:18 PM (2cS/G)
455
@237: "Deportation is the moral low road."
We prefer the term "evacuation." To work camps. In the East.
We prefer the term "evacuation." To work camps. In the East.
Posted by: Central European Socialists at July 14, 2015 04:19 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:19 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:19 PM (zOTsN)
458
What the fuck do you think the GOP is going to do about [insert issue]
***
and there is the problem. There currently is no opposition party.
Presuming you want a political solution, there has to be a party opposed to the current status quo to change anything. And the current R party isn't going anywhere voluntarily.
***
and there is the problem. There currently is no opposition party.
Presuming you want a political solution, there has to be a party opposed to the current status quo to change anything. And the current R party isn't going anywhere voluntarily.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2015 04:19 PM (78TbK)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:19 PM (JtwS4)
460
Hey you can say a lot of things about me, but when have I ever eaten another person?
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at July 14, 2015 04:06 PM (78TbK)
Ahem.....
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at July 14, 2015 04:06 PM (78TbK)
Ahem.....
Posted by: Huma Weiner at July 14, 2015 04:19 PM (ZDJwC)
461
It's just hilarious how Republicans attack Trump and then kiss Obams's ring.
Obama is nothing more than a diversion for their weakness. But when it's election time he's the devil that needs to be beaten back to Hades.
After the election, they tell us we need to work "together" and all those misguided St. Michael's are extremists.
Obama is nothing more than a diversion for their weakness. But when it's election time he's the devil that needs to be beaten back to Hades.
After the election, they tell us we need to work "together" and all those misguided St. Michael's are extremists.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2015 04:19 PM (GGCsk)
462
Actual question. Does anyone think that Trump is going to get the R nomination? I'm not talking get elected, I mean get the nomination.
Because I'm noting a lot of yelling and screaming (besides by me I mean) but also a lot of "well of course he won't get the nomination".
So is there anyone who thinks he will? I don't care about the why and the wherefore, just if it will happen, yes or no.
Because I'm noting a lot of yelling and screaming (besides by me I mean) but also a lot of "well of course he won't get the nomination".
So is there anyone who thinks he will? I don't care about the why and the wherefore, just if it will happen, yes or no.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 14, 2015 04:20 PM (mf5HN)
463
Please point to one candidate of our 17 candidates other than Trump that has firmly stated they are against Illegal Immigration.
Carly Fiorina has. I can't post the quote here because Minx blows apart every time I try, but it did happen. Click my name for the link.
Carly Fiorina has. I can't post the quote here because Minx blows apart every time I try, but it did happen. Click my name for the link.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 14, 2015 04:20 PM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 14, 2015 04:20 PM (OQ9R7)
465
Can we (the royal we) at least take the meat of what Trump has said and use it to our advantage?
"Look, maybe Trump said things a bit crudely or inartfully, but the facts of what he said are undeniable and resonate with a lot of people."
Something like that, but good.
Can we (the royal we) at least take the meat of what Trump has said and use it to our advantage?
"Look, maybe Trump said things a bit crudely or inartfully, but the facts of what he said are undeniable and resonate with a lot of people."
Something like that, but good.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 04:20 PM (St6BJ)
466
"Yes, he'll get squishy on immigrants, I've accepted that.
But Walker hits the left where they live: he decimated their support structure."
Even more remarkable, it was in Wisconsin. I like the guy a lot for exactly the reasons you say. Walker not only fights, but wins. Let's see how good a study he is on the foreign policy issues.
But Walker hits the left where they live: he decimated their support structure."
Even more remarkable, it was in Wisconsin. I like the guy a lot for exactly the reasons you say. Walker not only fights, but wins. Let's see how good a study he is on the foreign policy issues.
Posted by: Feh at July 14, 2015 04:20 PM (fY/0z)
467
O'Reilly clip was just played on Fox where he interviewed the parents of Kate Steinle... O'Reilly: What did she say to you before she went down?Mr. Steinle: Help me, Dad. FWIW, I don't care much about what Trump is all about right now. Or the fact that his politics are all over the place. I strongly support what he's saying on this topic.
The fact that Trump held a press conference (something he lives to do)and stood with the families sets him apart.
Guess what JEF, the dem wannabes and the Stupid party of 17 have in common? They all want these people to shut up and drop dead.
He's seized upon a real issue, and he's effectively wielding it. AND he's differentiating himself from EVERYBODY else, on both sides.
he's a witch.
The fact that Trump held a press conference (something he lives to do)and stood with the families sets him apart.
Guess what JEF, the dem wannabes and the Stupid party of 17 have in common? They all want these people to shut up and drop dead.
He's seized upon a real issue, and he's effectively wielding it. AND he's differentiating himself from EVERYBODY else, on both sides.
he's a witch.
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 14, 2015 04:20 PM (Spluw)
468
a slur will be matched by a slur, Crying Eagle.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:06 PM (bhepQ)
The various factions on the Right seem to prefer insulting each other, nursing their grievances against each other, and looking for ways to hurt each other than anything else right now.
That's just my observation.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:06 PM (bhepQ)
The various factions on the Right seem to prefer insulting each other, nursing their grievances against each other, and looking for ways to hurt each other than anything else right now.
That's just my observation.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 14, 2015 04:20 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Valiant at July 14, 2015 04:20 PM (nsZzA)
470
I'm angry. I'll stay home if the nominee is Trump; in fact, I'll vote Democrat! If we nominate Trump, we're fucked, and fucking nuts,
Let it burn.
Let it burn.
Posted by: Mister Magic at July 14, 2015 04:20 PM (nbgPm)
471
>>236 >>>Maybe don't declare your support for the institution of abortion on the same day we found out that children are still being torn apart limb by limb up to their necks so that they can have their organs harvested.
oh great more rules about what can be said and by whom and when, just what i was hoping for
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:51 PM (bhepQ)
Holy shit ace.
oh great more rules about what can be said and by whom and when, just what i was hoping for
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 03:51 PM (bhepQ)
Holy shit ace.
Posted by: Lea at July 14, 2015 04:20 PM (TNfXh)
472
La Raza and AIM are bosum buddies now
indian reservations have hidden illegals before
Native Peoples, not Mexican. Not Guatamalan. Thats how they are thinking
indian reservations have hidden illegals before
Native Peoples, not Mexican. Not Guatamalan. Thats how they are thinking
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:21 PM (zOTsN)
473
I will go back to supporting mush mouthed, middle of the road, inoffensive candidates who may get elected (but probably not) and then, after they get elected, change absolutely nothing, maybe even make things worse.
Posted by: Thor's feather duster
https://jeb2016.com/?lang=es
I will go back to supporting mush mouthed, middle of the road, inoffensive candidates who may get elected (but probably not) and then, after they get elected, change absolutely nothing, maybe even make things worse.
Posted by: Thor's feather duster
https://jeb2016.com/?lang=es
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 14, 2015 04:21 PM (kdS6q)
474
459 Posted by: The Banana Splits Guy
Fleagle, Bingo, Drooper, or Snork?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:19 PM (JtwS4)
You want Banana Splits,
You'd settle for Danger Island,
You'll get the Sour Grapes.
Fleagle, Bingo, Drooper, or Snork?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:19 PM (JtwS4)
You want Banana Splits,
You'd settle for Danger Island,
You'll get the Sour Grapes.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 04:21 PM (St6BJ)
475
Conservatives have focused since the 60s on winning elections.
Liberals have focused since the 60s on getting control of cultural institutions.
And while the former worked well at first, the latter is the long game and is more permanent. Its kind of obvious: culture is what creates trends. People vote culture.
It's Trump. Americans are fascinated by his odd-talking sleaze.
And they wouldn't hear any of it if he wasn't given the bullhorn. He can spout all his "odd-talking sleaze" he wants but if the press doesn't repeat and publish and show it... nobody will hear.
The press likes him talking and being heard right now, so he is. Once they don't want it any more, he will vanish.
Liberals have focused since the 60s on getting control of cultural institutions.
And while the former worked well at first, the latter is the long game and is more permanent. Its kind of obvious: culture is what creates trends. People vote culture.
It's Trump. Americans are fascinated by his odd-talking sleaze.
And they wouldn't hear any of it if he wasn't given the bullhorn. He can spout all his "odd-talking sleaze" he wants but if the press doesn't repeat and publish and show it... nobody will hear.
The press likes him talking and being heard right now, so he is. Once they don't want it any more, he will vanish.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 14, 2015 04:21 PM (39g3+)
476
i would be a avid supporter of abortion if it could be applied post-partum as well...
we could call them "late late term abortions".
until then, abortion strikes me as an inelegant solution to a complex problem, and thus should be avoided as much as possible, rather than be enouraged.
we could call them "late late term abortions".
until then, abortion strikes me as an inelegant solution to a complex problem, and thus should be avoided as much as possible, rather than be enouraged.
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 14, 2015 04:21 PM (yi8ar)
477
Also, there's no winning on the abortion thing. It's been 40 years or so and the supposed moral majority has done what?
I realized some time ago that the only value the issue of abortion has to the political class is for organizing purposes. It's there for them to use to get you to line up in the right lines.
The political class is going to do as little as possible about it, usually measuring nil, because its really about organizing people to vote for them. What little they CAN do about it either way isn't the point of the issue in their eyes.
I realized some time ago that the only value the issue of abortion has to the political class is for organizing purposes. It's there for them to use to get you to line up in the right lines.
The political class is going to do as little as possible about it, usually measuring nil, because its really about organizing people to vote for them. What little they CAN do about it either way isn't the point of the issue in their eyes.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 14, 2015 04:21 PM (oVJmc)
478
@462: There is no chance in hell Trump gets the nomination. Which is why I'm not terribly wound up about him.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 14, 2015 04:21 PM (B/VB5)
479
i dated a girl who was an askenazi Jew. One of the three main groups.
The ashkenazis -- unfortunate name, there -- tend to have blue eyes. Also, they tend to be the Jews who have very high IQs
here's my point: to hear her talk about the ashkenazis, with that glimmer in her eye... it was pure racism, really.
I didn't say anything, because, well, who cares, but it was funny to hear this super-goddamned-leftist-liberal Jew just so totally in racial love with her racial grouping.
I would just sort of smile and say "Indeed, Ashenazis are some kind of... I don't want to say *master* race per se, but certainly master*ful.*"
Well not quite like that but I did kind of shine her on, while laughing inwardly.
The ashkenazis -- unfortunate name, there -- tend to have blue eyes. Also, they tend to be the Jews who have very high IQs
here's my point: to hear her talk about the ashkenazis, with that glimmer in her eye... it was pure racism, really.
I didn't say anything, because, well, who cares, but it was funny to hear this super-goddamned-leftist-liberal Jew just so totally in racial love with her racial grouping.
I would just sort of smile and say "Indeed, Ashenazis are some kind of... I don't want to say *master* race per se, but certainly master*ful.*"
Well not quite like that but I did kind of shine her on, while laughing inwardly.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:21 PM (bhepQ)
480
WTF is my crime against humanity?
You talk funny, like those Canadians in the Michigan and Wisconsin province.
You talk funny, like those Canadians in the Michigan and Wisconsin province.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 14, 2015 04:21 PM (J0IP0)
481
"WTF is my crime against humanity?"
It's your existence that we object to. You are a walking pestillence. We get asked about you at cocktail parties.
"WTF is my crime against humanity?"
It's your existence that we object to. You are a walking pestillence. We get asked about you at cocktail parties.
Posted by: If Dr. Zeus was a memeber of the GOP Establishment at July 14, 2015 04:21 PM (OD2ni)
482
The whole point is that everyone who isn't morally vicious or apathetic is against abortion. Expressing that stance merely is signalling - signalling that you are moral. It is not a realizable position in our society save for some serious, destructive changes that none of these candidates, even trump, would ever do or wish for.
You can flip-flop on abortion all day and so long as no one calls you on it it doesn't matter, since the stance isn't going to change the law a whit. The time of Caesar is upon us, and then, burning.
You can flip-flop on abortion all day and so long as no one calls you on it it doesn't matter, since the stance isn't going to change the law a whit. The time of Caesar is upon us, and then, burning.
Posted by: RiverC at July 14, 2015 04:21 PM (Eg9+v)
483
He was doing well in the polls right out of the gate. Name recognition is pretty much the key to poll support right now and nobody has that more than Trump.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2015 04:13 PM (OGm46)
In the June Monmouth poll, after Trump first announced, his approval numbers among Republicans were a horrible -35 (20% positive, 55% negative). However, the same poll in July found that he had improved to only -1 (40% positive, 41% positive). So it's not just name recognition- a lot of Republicans, at least, like what they are hearing from him, enough to change their overall opinion of him.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2015 04:13 PM (OGm46)
In the June Monmouth poll, after Trump first announced, his approval numbers among Republicans were a horrible -35 (20% positive, 55% negative). However, the same poll in July found that he had improved to only -1 (40% positive, 41% positive). So it's not just name recognition- a lot of Republicans, at least, like what they are hearing from him, enough to change their overall opinion of him.
Posted by: Jon at July 14, 2015 04:22 PM (HA+/6)
484
I would certainly vote for Trump over Hillary!
But, when it comes to other Republicans, I'd probably vote for Trump over most of them as well.
Jeb? Christie? Rubio? Graham? Huckabee? Pataki? Santorum? - I'd vote Trump.
No, he's not conservative but then he isn't lying about it either.
If I get one major thing from him - the wall and border control -
that's better than fuck all plus all the lying in my face and name-calling by the others.
Cruz? Perry? Walker? Jindal? Fiorina? - each of those would almost certainly get my vote over Trump-
assuming no major screwing of the pooch over the next several months.
Paul? Carson?
Eh. Maybe.
I have a hard time building any enthusiasm for any Republican though after the brilliant GOP backer's strategy of pre-emptive surrender engineered by by Boehner and McConnell.
I've always voted but it may take a lot to bring to the booth this time around.
And Boogieman Democrats won't do it.
But, when it comes to other Republicans, I'd probably vote for Trump over most of them as well.
Jeb? Christie? Rubio? Graham? Huckabee? Pataki? Santorum? - I'd vote Trump.
No, he's not conservative but then he isn't lying about it either.
If I get one major thing from him - the wall and border control -
that's better than fuck all plus all the lying in my face and name-calling by the others.
Cruz? Perry? Walker? Jindal? Fiorina? - each of those would almost certainly get my vote over Trump-
assuming no major screwing of the pooch over the next several months.
Paul? Carson?
Eh. Maybe.
I have a hard time building any enthusiasm for any Republican though after the brilliant GOP backer's strategy of pre-emptive surrender engineered by by Boehner and McConnell.
I've always voted but it may take a lot to bring to the booth this time around.
And Boogieman Democrats won't do it.
Posted by: naturalfake at July 14, 2015 04:22 PM (0cMkb)
485
Has he built any pyramids in the backyard? Hell, I would kill for a mott and bailey in mine.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 14, 2015 04:17 PM (iQIUe)
If you mean that pile of dirty clothes and toys in his room, then yes, he has built one. Kid is American as apple pie.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 14, 2015 04:17 PM (iQIUe)
If you mean that pile of dirty clothes and toys in his room, then yes, he has built one. Kid is American as apple pie.
Posted by: tcn at July 14, 2015 04:22 PM (+YMhA)
486
>>>Conservatives have focused since the 60s on winning elections.
Liberals have focused since the 60s on getting control of cultural institutions.
...
And while the former worked well at first, the latter is the long game and is more permanent. Its kind of obvious: culture is what creates trends. People vote culture.
....
interesting insight.
Liberals have focused since the 60s on getting control of cultural institutions.
...
And while the former worked well at first, the latter is the long game and is more permanent. Its kind of obvious: culture is what creates trends. People vote culture.
....
interesting insight.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:22 PM (bhepQ)
487
Aaaaaaand the hairsplitting on "race". Right, I'm out. Got some work to do and a bottle of mead waiting at home. See ya on the ONT, Horde, and everyone remember the First Rule of Holes.
Peaceout.
Peaceout.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at July 14, 2015 04:22 PM (2l5vw)
488
I haven't been breathlessly following everything Trump says. I don't have a TV and probably wouldn't be watching it if i did. However, i don't think "Mexico sends us criminals" is a racist statement. It would be if he said "Everybody coming from Mexico is a criminal.". I'm not playing the racism game. People want to call me a racist that's their prerogative. I know who and what I am.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2015 04:23 PM (OSs/l)
489
I suppose it's more impressive if he started out like the 4 Yorkshiremen, but the guy built an empire and people flocked to do business with him.
It says something, dude. You gotta admit it.
He has made a lot of money in unscrupulous ways.
If you value that in a human being, Trump's your guy. I don't see it as any sort of validation.
It says something, dude. You gotta admit it.
He has made a lot of money in unscrupulous ways.
If you value that in a human being, Trump's your guy. I don't see it as any sort of validation.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:23 PM (JtwS4)
490
466 - Feh:
Even more remarkable, it was in Wisconsin.
Yep. Last we voted for somebody who could give a mean speech and looked Presidential, we got Obama. I want the guy who bathes in the tears of the social justice warriors, even if he looks goofy as anything.
Even more remarkable, it was in Wisconsin.
Yep. Last we voted for somebody who could give a mean speech and looked Presidential, we got Obama. I want the guy who bathes in the tears of the social justice warriors, even if he looks goofy as anything.
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at July 14, 2015 04:23 PM (hslAc)
491
I want a rat bastard in my corner, if Trump is that rat bastard, I'll vote for him.
Posted by: Ken at July 14, 2015 04:12 PM (LXJ1e)
------------------------------------
I said in the last election that Mitt was too nice for the job he was seeking (and that was proven in spades with the last prez debate). What we need is an asshole that loves this country.If Trump is the candidate, I would vote for him, if nothing else just to get this country back on it's feet economically.
Posted by: Ken at July 14, 2015 04:12 PM (LXJ1e)
------------------------------------
I said in the last election that Mitt was too nice for the job he was seeking (and that was proven in spades with the last prez debate). What we need is an asshole that loves this country.If Trump is the candidate, I would vote for him, if nothing else just to get this country back on it's feet economically.
Posted by: Soona at July 14, 2015 04:23 PM (P25Hh)
492
Where do comments like 163 come from? Unfettered access in the first trimester would poll at maybe 30 percent among Republicans and at most 25 percent of primary voters. Get out of the Acela corridor or don't just guess based on intuition. Your intuition sucks.
Posted by: Sam Haysom at July 14, 2015 04:23 PM (UtEx8)
493
Can we (the royal we) at least take the meat of what Trump has said and use it to our advantage?
Fiorina said almost exactly that. Link in my name.
Fiorina said almost exactly that. Link in my name.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 14, 2015 04:23 PM (B/VB5)
494
"I would just sort of smile and say "Indeed, Ashenazis are some kind of... I don't want to say *master* race per se, but certainly master*ful.*"
LOLZ
you deserve beer
LOLZ
you deserve beer
Posted by: Feh at July 14, 2015 04:23 PM (fY/0z)
495
>>>The various factions on the Right seem to prefer insulting each other, nursing their grievances against each other, and looking for ways to hurt each other than anything else right now.
That's just my observation.
...
and what do I keep saying?
That's just my observation.
...
and what do I keep saying?
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:24 PM (bhepQ)
496
460 Hey you can say a lot of things about me, but when have I ever eaten another person?
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at July 14, 2015 04:06 PM (78TbK)
Ahem.....
Posted by: Huma Weiner at July 14, 2015 04:19 PM (ZDJwC)
Really Hillary?
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at July 14, 2015 04:06 PM (78TbK)
Ahem.....
Posted by: Huma Weiner at July 14, 2015 04:19 PM (ZDJwC)
Really Hillary?
Posted by: Donna Shalala & Janet Reno at July 14, 2015 04:24 PM (OLNwX)
Posted by: David Brooks at July 14, 2015 04:24 PM (OD2ni)
498
>he's at 15 in a broken field, among r primary voters, who are like 20 of the country.
A position he only arrived at because of his refusal to back down on his comments. He jumped ahead for a reason. That is, like or it not, something. Put another way? That move put him ahead of whoever you're supporting right now.
But you want more data? Fine. Let's play.
Yougov just had a poll about what people think of Trump's comments.
21% says he's totally right. 35%, too far but he has a point. 34% percent, totally wrong.
Let me guess: the GOP wisdom says we should be totally chasing after that 34 percent, and not even trying to change their minds.
Right, ace?
A position he only arrived at because of his refusal to back down on his comments. He jumped ahead for a reason. That is, like or it not, something. Put another way? That move put him ahead of whoever you're supporting right now.
But you want more data? Fine. Let's play.
Yougov just had a poll about what people think of Trump's comments.
21% says he's totally right. 35%, too far but he has a point. 34% percent, totally wrong.
Let me guess: the GOP wisdom says we should be totally chasing after that 34 percent, and not even trying to change their minds.
Right, ace?
Posted by: Crude at July 14, 2015 04:24 PM (DUynq)
499
Because of course, not everybody (or the majority) coming from Mexico or anywhere else is a criminal but it's a nifty way to get rid of the crooks they don't want to pay for housing in jail for.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2015 04:24 PM (OSs/l)
500
intelligence and propensity to criminality are not even distributed among all peoples and races
is that racist
or are we required to pretend that all people have the same abilities and strengths
intelligence and propensity to criminality are not even distributed among all peoples and races
is that racist
or are we required to pretend that all people have the same abilities and strengths
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:25 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Miss Teen U.S. America at July 14, 2015 04:25 PM (Dwehj)
502
>>The various factions on the Right seem to prefer insulting each other, nursing their grievances against each other, and looking for ways to hurt each other than anything else right now.
I would only disagree with right now. This place was a non-stop dump on Romney, still is for many, until shortly before the election when it was "time to come together". And it is a free fire zone on anyone not sufficiently pure to some.
Which makes it funny as hell to watch people try and defend Trump as anything other than the circus clown he is. He says what he wants because he doesn't have any real illusions about winning. If he happened to help a cause I believe in then great. He's still a clown.
I would only disagree with right now. This place was a non-stop dump on Romney, still is for many, until shortly before the election when it was "time to come together". And it is a free fire zone on anyone not sufficiently pure to some.
Which makes it funny as hell to watch people try and defend Trump as anything other than the circus clown he is. He says what he wants because he doesn't have any real illusions about winning. If he happened to help a cause I believe in then great. He's still a clown.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2015 04:25 PM (OGm46)
503
Well the comments keep crashing for me so I can't really respond, but maybe instead of focusing on my supposed crusade to shut you up (which was never my intent) you could actually listen to what I'm saying.
Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2015 04:25 PM (MYCIw)
504
This is like the same sex marriage thing - in the end the stance someone had on it for the past 20 years is window dressing. What mattered was the opinion of the judge that they appointed, and nothing else. As I recall, a supposedly pro-traditional marriage person selected at least one of the majority opinion holders. Their position, in that regard, was utterly meaningless and without any power.
To be fair, it is hard to know beforehand what positions have this quality to them, but it is at least fair to recognize it post-facto.
To be fair, it is hard to know beforehand what positions have this quality to them, but it is at least fair to recognize it post-facto.
Posted by: RiverC at July 14, 2015 04:25 PM (Eg9+v)
505
I had a perfect view to the west until Trump erected one of his Trump L'oeil hotels. Then again, the view was to Jersey City.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 04:08 PM
Sounds to me like the dude did you a solid.
Nobody should have to look at Jersey City.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 04:08 PM
Sounds to me like the dude did you a solid.
Nobody should have to look at Jersey City.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 14, 2015 04:25 PM (JaVx+)
506
451 Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:18 PM (bhepQ)
What is his business worth today both in dollars and in his name recognition? He effectively built an empire and made a name for himself. I will concede that perhaps a large portion of that is smoke and mirrors and he's made some colossal blunders, but very few people know the names of the key property developers today. Trump for good or ill, deserved or not is a household name. And that's the bottom line.
What is his business worth today both in dollars and in his name recognition? He effectively built an empire and made a name for himself. I will concede that perhaps a large portion of that is smoke and mirrors and he's made some colossal blunders, but very few people know the names of the key property developers today. Trump for good or ill, deserved or not is a household name. And that's the bottom line.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 04:25 PM (St6BJ)
507
I gotta say, holding press conferences with the wonderful Shaw family whose young quarterback son was shot execution style by an illegal and watching them tear up and Donald right their to support them and do something about it. Giving that wonderful black family a voice that no one else would.
no, no way no how will that get the Donald black votes. Because blacks and Hispanics get along like peas in a pod. And blacks love them some illegals.
Amirite?
no, no way no how will that get the Donald black votes. Because blacks and Hispanics get along like peas in a pod. And blacks love them some illegals.
Amirite?
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:25 PM (q5APL)
508
He has made a lot of money in unscrupulous ways.
If you value that in a human being, Trump's your guy. I don't see it as any sort of validation.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:23 PM (JtwS4)
*looks at scruples*
*looks at bank account*
Well fuck me.
If you value that in a human being, Trump's your guy. I don't see it as any sort of validation.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:23 PM (JtwS4)
*looks at scruples*
*looks at bank account*
Well fuck me.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 14, 2015 04:25 PM (mf5HN)
509
Ace, the great Breitbart, peace be upon him, said politics is downstream from culture. The left spent it's time taking over the schools while we took over the school boards. We see which has been more effective.
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at July 14, 2015 04:25 PM (hslAc)
510
And, the poll I was speaking of.
https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/07/13/poll-results-donald-trump/
https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/07/13/poll-results-donald-trump/
Posted by: Crude at July 14, 2015 04:26 PM (DUynq)
511
to be honest I'm not sure that Trump did much more with his $40 MILLION BEQUEATHMENT -- in, what, 1970 dollars? -- than passive investment + inflation would have done.
Without earning interest, $40MM in 1970 is worth $249MM today.
Without earning interest, $40MM in 1970 is worth $249MM today.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 14, 2015 04:26 PM (b65cm)
512
505 Sounds to me like the dude did you a solid.
Nobody should have to look at Jersey City.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 14, 2015 04:25 PM (JaVx+)
That's why I'll be meeting CBD and NGU in Hoboken in a bit.
Nobody should have to look at Jersey City.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 14, 2015 04:25 PM (JaVx+)
That's why I'll be meeting CBD and NGU in Hoboken in a bit.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 04:26 PM (St6BJ)
513
Time to lick the mathematicians.
Posted by: Ariana Grandouche at July 14, 2015 04:26 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 14, 2015 04:26 PM (kdS6q)
515
Trump L'oeil, that's a pretty good one.
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 14, 2015 04:27 PM (2cS/G)
516
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 14, 2015 04:20 PM (mf5HN)
If I had to bet, I would say he won't because of his previous "attempts" at office. But the more he stays in the news cycle, the more emboldened he might become to see this one through (vs the other attempts). And between here and then, there's always a chance the others do enough damage to themselves. Plus, if he can survive the attacks now (and it seems he is), it makes him that much stronger a candidate than the rest who are hiding in their burrows.
It's enough of a possibility that it worries me.
If I had to bet, I would say he won't because of his previous "attempts" at office. But the more he stays in the news cycle, the more emboldened he might become to see this one through (vs the other attempts). And between here and then, there's always a chance the others do enough damage to themselves. Plus, if he can survive the attacks now (and it seems he is), it makes him that much stronger a candidate than the rest who are hiding in their burrows.
It's enough of a possibility that it worries me.
Posted by: Nutsy the Buzzard at July 14, 2015 04:27 PM (Z3HgI)
517
And they wouldn't hear any of it if he wasn't given the bullhorn. He can spout all his "odd-talking sleaze" he wants but if the press doesn't repeat and publish and show it... nobody will hear.
The press likes him talking and being heard right now, so he is. Once they don't want it any more, he will vanish.
Trump isn't on the politics page, he's on the entertainment page. They look for spectacle.
Hell, Bloom County may have restarted purely because Trump is in the news again. David Letterman is dusting off his Trump jokes in standup.
One thing he will never lack is publicity.
The press likes him talking and being heard right now, so he is. Once they don't want it any more, he will vanish.
Trump isn't on the politics page, he's on the entertainment page. They look for spectacle.
Hell, Bloom County may have restarted purely because Trump is in the news again. David Letterman is dusting off his Trump jokes in standup.
One thing he will never lack is publicity.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 14, 2015 04:27 PM (zVr6t)
518
to be honest I'm not sure that Trump did much more with his $40 MILLION BEQUEATHMENT -- in, what, 1970 dollars? -- than passive investment + inflation would have done.
Using a 12% historical rate of return on equities that would have yielded $2.1 bn by today.
And his $9 bn claim is utterly bogus. He attributes $3 bn of that to the "value" of his brand.
Using a 12% historical rate of return on equities that would have yielded $2.1 bn by today.
And his $9 bn claim is utterly bogus. He attributes $3 bn of that to the "value" of his brand.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:27 PM (JtwS4)
519
"But the people who are up in arms in Trump "devotion -- why is it wrong, suddenly, to oppose a pro-partial-birth-abortion, pro-total-amnesty, Hillary-donating, crony-capitalist buffoon?"
Because they are All pro-partial-birth-abortion, pro-total-amnesty, Hillary-donating, crony-capitalist buffoonS.
They are the uniparty.
Might as well vote for Trump.
Because they are All pro-partial-birth-abortion, pro-total-amnesty, Hillary-donating, crony-capitalist buffoonS.
They are the uniparty.
Might as well vote for Trump.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 14, 2015 04:27 PM (n3WNZ)
520
Trump is fascinating. But what is even more fascinating is that I have not heard a cogent criticism of him yet.
When do we get that? I really want to know exactly why I, as a conservative, should have qualms voting for him.
When do we get that? I really want to know exactly why I, as a conservative, should have qualms voting for him.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:27 PM (q5APL)
521
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::drives Banana Buggy through wall, does donuts, honks horn incessantly::
Posted by: The Banana Splits Guy at July 14, 2015 04:27 PM (8d1Bh)
522
would it be racist to note that Castro emptied his jails during the boat life days?
would it be racist to state that Drug gangs are exploiting the border for thier business
are we to pretend that this is the best and brightest of Mexico and Central America
would it be racist to note that Castro emptied his jails during the boat life days?
would it be racist to state that Drug gangs are exploiting the border for thier business
are we to pretend that this is the best and brightest of Mexico and Central America
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:27 PM (zOTsN)
523
He has made a lot of money in unscrupulous ways.
If you value that in a human being, Trump's your guy. I don't see it as any sort of validation.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:23 PM (JtwS4
Compared to Hilary and any other politician? There's unscrupulous and then there's thievery by elected office. I'll take the former.
If you value that in a human being, Trump's your guy. I don't see it as any sort of validation.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:23 PM (JtwS4
Compared to Hilary and any other politician? There's unscrupulous and then there's thievery by elected office. I'll take the former.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 04:28 PM (St6BJ)
524
>>>Yougov just had a poll about what people think of Trump's comments.
21% says he's totally right. 35%, too far but he has a point. 34% percent, totally wrong.
Let me guess: the GOP wisdom says we should be totally chasing after that 34 percent, and not even trying to change their minds.
...
well i didn't know that and that's something, but you sure seem to be blowing off the part about "but went too far."
You seem to be reading that out.
21% says he's totally right. 35%, too far but he has a point. 34% percent, totally wrong.
Let me guess: the GOP wisdom says we should be totally chasing after that 34 percent, and not even trying to change their minds.
...
well i didn't know that and that's something, but you sure seem to be blowing off the part about "but went too far."
You seem to be reading that out.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:28 PM (bhepQ)
525
By the way, the main reason to support Trump is because he is, in his anger, making everyone else who isn't a mealy mouthed milquetoast more conservative, paranoid and mean. It's sort of unimportant if he wins, it's more important that he tells people that it is okay - they have permission - to be openly conservative, combative and angry.
The president is a mascot.
The president is a mascot.
Posted by: RiverC at July 14, 2015 04:28 PM (Eg9+v)
526
"People vote culture."
Find the right people on the inside, promote them, and let them stack hiring committees. Play the long game.
Find the right people on the inside, promote them, and let them stack hiring committees. Play the long game.
Posted by: Feh at July 14, 2015 04:28 PM (fY/0z)
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 14, 2015 04:28 PM (yi8ar)
528
We have a good day, why not you, Gringo? Next week, we join USMC!!
Posted by: Illegal Immigrant Transsexual Murderers at July 14, 2015 04:28 PM (2mJMN)
529
Hispanic is NOT a race, which is why the Civil rights Act states race, creed, or national origin, The Census bureau calls it "ethnicity" on their forms. Hispanic is a national origin. Sure some of them are probably a mixed race, but Hispanic is not a legal race for the purposes of race classification. It is national origin or ethnicity.
Posted by: Vic Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 14, 2015 04:28 PM (GpgJl)
530
That's why I'll be meeting CBD and NGU in Hoboken in a bit.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 04:26 PM (St6BJ)
Didn't know it was a Jooish Holiday today.
That's why I'll be meeting CBD and NGU in Hoboken in a bit.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 04:26 PM (St6BJ)
Didn't know it was a Jooish Holiday today.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 04:28 PM (OLNwX)
531
That's why I'll be meeting CBD and NGU in Hoboken in a bit.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 04:26 PM (St6BJ)
Didn't know it was a Jooish Holiday today.
That's why I'll be meeting CBD and NGU in Hoboken in a bit.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 04:26 PM (St6BJ)
Didn't know it was a Jooish Holiday today.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 04:28 PM (OLNwX)
532
>>>And his $9 bn claim is utterly bogus. He attributes $3 bn of that to the "value" of his brand.
oh, just wanted to point out, I am now worth $1 billion, 15 thousand dollars.
(1 billion is owed to the value of my "brand.")
oh, just wanted to point out, I am now worth $1 billion, 15 thousand dollars.
(1 billion is owed to the value of my "brand.")
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:29 PM (bhepQ)
533
*in the spirit of the epic battle going on in the comments, runs around quilling the horde while screaming "rinos! Fact bitches! Rinos! Fact bitches! Rinos! Fact bitches! Rinos! Fact bitches!"*
Posted by: lurkingestlurker giant plush porcupine with extra plush quills at July 14, 2015 04:29 PM (pdLVk)
534
If I had to bet, I would say he won't because of his previous "attempts" at office. But the more he stays in the news cycle, the more emboldened he might become to see this one through (vs the other attempts). And between here and then, there's always a chance the others do enough damage to themselves. Plus, if he can survive the attacks now (and it seems he is), it makes him that much stronger a candidate than the rest who are hiding in their burrows.
It's enough of a possibility that it worries me.
Posted by: Nutsy the Buzzard at July 14, 2015 04:27 PM (Z3HgI)
Thank you, that is well put.
It's enough of a possibility that it worries me.
Posted by: Nutsy the Buzzard at July 14, 2015 04:27 PM (Z3HgI)
Thank you, that is well put.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 14, 2015 04:29 PM (mf5HN)
535
Also, there's no winning on the abortion thing. It's been 40 years or so and the supposed moral majority has done what?
Actually public perception has shifted significantly on the issue. This is a long term cultural battle for hearts and minds, not a short term political one.
Actually public perception has shifted significantly on the issue. This is a long term cultural battle for hearts and minds, not a short term political one.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 14, 2015 04:29 PM (39g3+)
536
>>
and what do I keep saying?
I know, 'Don't play ball in the house'.
And, 'never go anywhere alone with my TV Dad.'
and what do I keep saying?
I know, 'Don't play ball in the house'.
And, 'never go anywhere alone with my TV Dad.'
Posted by: Bobby Brady at July 14, 2015 04:29 PM (uF/YH)
Posted by: Feh at July 14, 2015 04:29 PM (fY/0z)
538
>>>
are we to pretend that this is the best and brightest of Mexico and Central America
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:27 PM (zOTsN
--------
Stupid is as stupid does.
are we to pretend that this is the best and brightest of Mexico and Central America
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:27 PM (zOTsN
--------
Stupid is as stupid does.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 04:30 PM (OLNwX)
539
>>>
are we to pretend that this is the best and brightest of Mexico and Central America
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:27 PM (zOTsN
--------
Stupid is as stupid does.
are we to pretend that this is the best and brightest of Mexico and Central America
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:27 PM (zOTsN
--------
Stupid is as stupid does.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 04:30 PM (OLNwX)
540
@290: "Ace, you are free to win an election without the 15-40% of the party. You might be surprised that you won't win anything."
Or, you know, you might win yourself an entire country with a whole lot less.
Or, you know, you might win yourself an entire country with a whole lot less.
Posted by: The 3% of the Colonials who actually fought against Great Britain at July 14, 2015 04:30 PM (amQXf)
541
531 Didn't know it was a Jooish Holiday today.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 04:28 PM (OLNwX)
We have to plot out next week's schedule for controlling the media, corrupting children and fomenting world wars and misery.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 04:28 PM (OLNwX)
We have to plot out next week's schedule for controlling the media, corrupting children and fomenting world wars and misery.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 04:30 PM (St6BJ)
542
I agree with the whole column.
I honestly think most conservatives would rather have a Republican that was serious about the border and pro-choice than say a Jeb that's pro-life but supports Amnesty.
I know I would.
I honestly think most conservatives would rather have a Republican that was serious about the border and pro-choice than say a Jeb that's pro-life but supports Amnesty.
I know I would.
Posted by: Kal at July 14, 2015 04:30 PM (A3kYV)
543
"I really want to know exactly why I, as a conservative, should have qualms voting for him."
Because we say so now shut up and vote as your told.
Because we say so now shut up and vote as your told.
Posted by: gopE at July 14, 2015 04:30 PM (vIK1c)
544
530 Didn't know it was a Jooish Holiday today.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 04:28 PM (OLNwX)
It's a French Holiday.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 04:28 PM (OLNwX)
It's a French Holiday.
Posted by: Vic Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 14, 2015 04:30 PM (GpgJl)
545
*looks at scruples*
*looks at bank account*
Well fuck me.
Can't really help with the bank account, but...
*looks at bank account*
Well fuck me.
Can't really help with the bank account, but...
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (JtwS4)
546
535 no, it's a battle long lost. You and others have told yourselves this, but your children will be pro-choice (even if they have distaste for abortion) and that will be that.
"Abortion is a necessary evil," they will say, "Like speeding tickets and lines for the movies."
"Abortion is a necessary evil," they will say, "Like speeding tickets and lines for the movies."
Posted by: RiverC at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (Eg9+v)
547
Rush is wrong and is pandering to his base.
Sad to see him go this low, must mean his ratings are starting to suck.
Sad to see him go this low, must mean his ratings are starting to suck.
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (0FSuD)
548
oh, just wanted to point out, I am now worth $1 billion, 15 thousand dollars.
(1 billion is owed to the value of my "brand.")
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:29 PM (
So we can forget about the tip jar?
oh, just wanted to point out, I am now worth $1 billion, 15 thousand dollars.
(1 billion is owed to the value of my "brand.")
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:29 PM (
So we can forget about the tip jar?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (OLNwX)
549
It's not that he's angry, it's that he's stating bald truths and making the other side angry. Anyone who hurts the enemy is good for us.
Trump is not aligned with my values, mostly, but he's fighting Democrats. So he has my support.
Trump is not aligned with my values, mostly, but he's fighting Democrats. So he has my support.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (pWzW/)
550
I'd see he's one shrewd dude, even if he's thin on solid accomplishments, he's sold his name like it's the elixir of life itself. Something to be said for that.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 04:12 PM (St6BJ)
============================
JJ, every part of that is wrong, at least from my personal perspective (as a former banker who worked hard to refinance Trump many moons ago).
Entertain yourself with his candidacy. Try to figure out what he brings to the party that other Republicans could use. But don't let yourself get taken in. He is the three card monte guy of politics.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 04:12 PM (St6BJ)
============================
JJ, every part of that is wrong, at least from my personal perspective (as a former banker who worked hard to refinance Trump many moons ago).
Entertain yourself with his candidacy. Try to figure out what he brings to the party that other Republicans could use. But don't let yourself get taken in. He is the three card monte guy of politics.
Posted by: MTF at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (DkJ4E)
551
513 Time to lick the mathematicians.
Posted by: Ariana Grandouche at July 14, 2015 04:26 PM (Dwehj)
Take a number.
Posted by: Ariana Grandouche at July 14, 2015 04:26 PM (Dwehj)
Take a number.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (b65cm)
Posted by: TroutFishingInAmericaShorty at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (uF/YH)
553
I have no problems with putting the organs of dead fetuses to use, i.e., medical research. They've been doing it for decades.
I have no problems with putting the organs of dead fetuses to use, i.e., medical research. They've been doing it for decades.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (iQIUe)
554
>>> When do we get that? I really want to know exactly why I, as a conservative, should have qualms voting for him.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:27 PM (q5APL)
Look, you brain-dead knuckle-dragger, it's real, real simple:
1.) Racist!!!
2.) Homophobe!!
3.) Islamophobe!!!
4.) Uttering Non-Received Truth from People Like Us!!!!
Any Questions?
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:27 PM (q5APL)
Look, you brain-dead knuckle-dragger, it's real, real simple:
1.) Racist!!!
2.) Homophobe!!
3.) Islamophobe!!!
4.) Uttering Non-Received Truth from People Like Us!!!!
Any Questions?
Posted by: The GOPe/DemoKKKrat Alliance for Truth in Media at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (2mJMN)
555
>>> When do we get that? I really want to know exactly why I, as a conservative, should have qualms voting for him.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:27 PM (q5APL)
Look, you brain-dead knuckle-dragger, it's real, real simple:
1.) Racist!!!
2.) Homophobe!!
3.) Islamophobe!!!
4.) Uttering Non-Received Truth from People Like Us!!!!
Any Questions?
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:27 PM (q5APL)
Look, you brain-dead knuckle-dragger, it's real, real simple:
1.) Racist!!!
2.) Homophobe!!
3.) Islamophobe!!!
4.) Uttering Non-Received Truth from People Like Us!!!!
Any Questions?
Posted by: The GOPe/DemoKKKrat Alliance for Truth in Media at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (2mJMN)
556
>>>Can we (the royal we) at least take the meat of what Trump has said and use it to our advantage?
That's what I've beenthinking this whole thread. The facts on the ground are what they are. Let's find a way to make it useful.
>>>Can we (the royal we) at least take the meat of what Trump has said and use it to our advantage?
That's what I've beenthinking this whole thread. The facts on the ground are what they are. Let's find a way to make it useful.
Posted by: LibertarianJim at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (WDCYi)
557
Trump is fascinating. But what is even more fascinating is that I have not heard a cogent criticism of him yet. When do we get that? I really want to know exactly why I, as a conservative, should have qualms voting for him.
Posted by: prescient11
That's bullshit. Yesterday you were at the point where you said that you didn't care about anything else; you would vote for him on this one item.
What record he has isn't conservative. he handles himself well at times, and he's effectively dealing with an issue everyone else is dodging or that they've already sold out on.
Posted by: prescient11
That's bullshit. Yesterday you were at the point where you said that you didn't care about anything else; you would vote for him on this one item.
What record he has isn't conservative. he handles himself well at times, and he's effectively dealing with an issue everyone else is dodging or that they've already sold out on.
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (Spluw)
558
I think its rather insulting to insist that the people crossing our border are the best and brightest of Mexico and Central America
I think its rather insulting to insist that the people crossing our border are the best and brightest of Mexico and Central America
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (q5APL)
560
As I was reading the book "Emotional Vampires" I realized that most of the democrats/press/media (which are the same thing) suffer from a histrionic personality disorder.
Truuuuuuump!!!!!!
Truuuuuuump!!!!!!
Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (9KToF)
561
It's a French Holiday.
Posted by: Vic Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 14, 2015 04:30 PM (GpgJl
Bas-tard Day?
Posted by: Vic Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 14, 2015 04:30 PM (GpgJl
Bas-tard Day?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 04:32 PM (OLNwX)
562
the great thing about living in #Failifornia is that it doesn't matter who the GOPe nominates for President, since they won't carry the state.
so go ahead and nominate whomever you want, since i won't be holding my nose for the DIABLO de jour
so go ahead and nominate whomever you want, since i won't be holding my nose for the DIABLO de jour
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 14, 2015 04:32 PM (yi8ar)
563
I'm in Florida. I'm out. Later.
Posted by: Lea at July 14, 2015 04:32 PM (TNfXh)
564
I would not have a problem standing in line at the crack of dawn to vote for Trump.
The GOP establishment needs to figure out what is lacking in the beta males they push every four years that causes such apathy among people who would otherwise vote for the (R).
I'm so tired of beta males telling me to follow them. Fuck that. I have one motto I live by...
Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.
Sure Romney and McCain amassed huge personal fortunes. But at someone else's expense. That doesn't make them leaders, just people in favorable positions of power.
I'm looking for a leader. Trump is going to elevate somebody from beta to alpha male during this long process. In the background I can hear an impassioned Ronald Reagan saying, 'I paid for this microphone. '
Alpha male. Endangered species.
The GOP establishment needs to figure out what is lacking in the beta males they push every four years that causes such apathy among people who would otherwise vote for the (R).
I'm so tired of beta males telling me to follow them. Fuck that. I have one motto I live by...
Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.
Sure Romney and McCain amassed huge personal fortunes. But at someone else's expense. That doesn't make them leaders, just people in favorable positions of power.
I'm looking for a leader. Trump is going to elevate somebody from beta to alpha male during this long process. In the background I can hear an impassioned Ronald Reagan saying, 'I paid for this microphone. '
Alpha male. Endangered species.
Posted by: se pa moron at July 14, 2015 04:32 PM (xQX/f)
565
no, it's a battle long lost. You and others have told yourselves this, but your children will be pro-choice (even if they have distaste for abortion) and that will be that"
No. Young people are actually more likely to be pro-life than older generations, and their actions reflect this with a falling abortion rate.
No. Young people are actually more likely to be pro-life than older generations, and their actions reflect this with a falling abortion rate.
Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2015 04:32 PM (MYCIw)
566
Wait wait wait - did Trump bash Hispanics? Is that why we are arguing the racial makeup of such?
Let me state again - I think Trump is a rodeo clown, and ultimately I don't think he is a real candidate - I don't believe he has made the FEC disclosures and don't believe he will.
But the thing of the post is don't go nuclear on Trump on this issue, don't call him racist.
And, there are some things to learn. Trump is not gathering attention in a vacuum. There are 15 other candidates who could be getting his attention.
Let me state again - I think Trump is a rodeo clown, and ultimately I don't think he is a real candidate - I don't believe he has made the FEC disclosures and don't believe he will.
But the thing of the post is don't go nuclear on Trump on this issue, don't call him racist.
And, there are some things to learn. Trump is not gathering attention in a vacuum. There are 15 other candidates who could be getting his attention.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2015 04:32 PM (2Ocf1)
567
Because I'm noting a lot of yelling and screaming (besides by me I mean) but also a lot of "well of course he won't get the nomination". So is there anyone who thinks he will? I don't care about the why and the wherefore, just if it will happen, yes or no.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 14, 2015 04:20 PM (mf5HN)
----------------------------------------------------
From what I know and am seeing right now, yes, there's a real chance he could be nominated.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 14, 2015 04:20 PM (mf5HN)
----------------------------------------------------
From what I know and am seeing right now, yes, there's a real chance he could be nominated.
Posted by: Soona at July 14, 2015 04:32 PM (P25Hh)
568
535 and one other thing - when the political power does come into place the issue will solve itself in a decent timeframe, just as the issues for the left (fag acceptance) have 'magically' done so with the 'magic' of cultural and political hegemony.
Posted by: RiverC at July 14, 2015 04:33 PM (Eg9+v)
569
Ace and whomever else is on the Trump net worth digression:
It's irrelevant to anything. While he is in no way someone I thought I would ever SUPPORT as a candidate, he is someone that I am ROOTING FOR because he is under attack from everyone that I despise (MFM, Democrats, GOP-e) for saying things that I agree with and that no one else is saying, the crudeness of the delivery notwithstanding.
Ace and whomever else is on the Trump net worth digression:
It's irrelevant to anything. While he is in no way someone I thought I would ever SUPPORT as a candidate, he is someone that I am ROOTING FOR because he is under attack from everyone that I despise (MFM, Democrats, GOP-e) for saying things that I agree with and that no one else is saying, the crudeness of the delivery notwithstanding.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 04:33 PM (St6BJ)
570
Just read the transcipt of O'Reilly's interview with the Steinle's. Chilling and profoundly moving. What can you say to a man who just had his loving, beautiful adult daughter randomly shot and killed right beside him?
"Help me, Dad"
He'll never get those words out his head. No dad could. Ever.
God bless and comfort you and your family, Mr Steinle. I am truly sorry for your loss.
"Help me, Dad"
He'll never get those words out his head. No dad could. Ever.
God bless and comfort you and your family, Mr Steinle. I am truly sorry for your loss.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 14, 2015 04:33 PM (nqiq9)
571
I did maybe use PAC funds to buy Willow a new Jetta, but c'mon...
Posted by: Sarah Palin at July 14, 2015 04:33 PM (Ui7Rt)
572
it's almost like they're trying to lose
Posted by: G.M. at July 14, 2015 04:33 PM (eOpVe)
573
Trump is fascinating. But what is even more fascinating is that I have not heard a cogent criticism of him yet.
What, other than that he's a friend and donor to Hillary, loves and backs Kelo vs New London, cronyist, pro-illegal immigration (despite his recent rhetoric, that's his entire life pattern) leftist who's pretending to be more conservative lately? You missed all that, somehow?
Trump has one interest and concern in his life: Donald Trump. He doesn't want to serve the American people, he doesn't want to restore America, he doesn't care about the rule of law, he just wants to be more rich and more powerful. If its Trump v Hillary its basically which bandit we suffer under while they plunder the nation.
What, other than that he's a friend and donor to Hillary, loves and backs Kelo vs New London, cronyist, pro-illegal immigration (despite his recent rhetoric, that's his entire life pattern) leftist who's pretending to be more conservative lately? You missed all that, somehow?
Trump has one interest and concern in his life: Donald Trump. He doesn't want to serve the American people, he doesn't want to restore America, he doesn't care about the rule of law, he just wants to be more rich and more powerful. If its Trump v Hillary its basically which bandit we suffer under while they plunder the nation.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 14, 2015 04:33 PM (39g3+)
574
Blue Hen:
Well, enlighten us. What is the number one position Donald Trump has taken that bothers you as a conservative?
Well, enlighten us. What is the number one position Donald Trump has taken that bothers you as a conservative?
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:33 PM (q5APL)
575
From what I know and am seeing right now, yes, there's a real chance he could be nominated.
Posted by: Soona at July 14, 2015 04:32 PM (P25Hh
Nah, once again, it's not even Labor Day. Too early to get all worked up.
From what I know and am seeing right now, yes, there's a real chance he could be nominated.
Posted by: Soona at July 14, 2015 04:32 PM (P25Hh
Nah, once again, it's not even Labor Day. Too early to get all worked up.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 04:34 PM (OLNwX)
576
From what I know and am seeing right now, yes, there's a real chance he could be nominated.
Posted by: Soona at July 14, 2015 04:32 PM (P25Hh
Nah, once again, it's not even Labor Day. Too early to get all worked up.
From what I know and am seeing right now, yes, there's a real chance he could be nominated.
Posted by: Soona at July 14, 2015 04:32 PM (P25Hh
Nah, once again, it's not even Labor Day. Too early to get all worked up.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 04:34 PM (OLNwX)
577
Theory: Trump actually *is* SMOD.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 14, 2015 04:34 PM (b65cm)
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:34 PM (zOTsN)
579
561
Bas-tard Day?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 04:32 PM (OLNwX)
Yeah, but I think it is pronounced differently in French.
Bas-tard Day?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 14, 2015 04:32 PM (OLNwX)
Yeah, but I think it is pronounced differently in French.
Posted by: Vic Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 14, 2015 04:34 PM (GpgJl)
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:35 PM (q5APL)
Posted by: AmishDude at July 14, 2015 04:35 PM (b65cm)
Posted by: Ron Popiel at July 14, 2015 04:35 PM (vIK1c)
583
ISIS is SMOD and we are all DOOMED!!!!!!!!!
ISIS is SMOD and we are all DOOMED!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 14, 2015 04:35 PM (iQIUe)
584
I honestly think most conservatives would rather have a Republican that was serious about the border and pro-choice than say a Jeb that's pro-life but supports Amnesty.
What makes matters worse is this; I'm pro-life, and so what? it's not as if anyone in the Stupid party has delivered on the pro-life agenda since W, over a decade ago.
And amnesty means rewarding and enableing violent criminals. How is that pro-life?
What makes matters worse is this; I'm pro-life, and so what? it's not as if anyone in the Stupid party has delivered on the pro-life agenda since W, over a decade ago.
And amnesty means rewarding and enableing violent criminals. How is that pro-life?
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 14, 2015 04:35 PM (Spluw)
585
Can't really help with the bank account, but...
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (JtwS4)
Hmmm.
These scruples look more than a bit used . . . .
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (JtwS4)
Hmmm.
These scruples look more than a bit used . . . .
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 14, 2015 04:35 PM (mf5HN)
586
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 14, 2015 04:33 PM (nqiq9)
I read somewhere that Obama didn't call the family. Daughter not the right color, I guess.
I read somewhere that Obama didn't call the family. Daughter not the right color, I guess.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2015 04:35 PM (OSs/l)
587
577: this is my hope too, God, what a hope
Posted by: RiverC at July 14, 2015 04:35 PM (Eg9+v)
588
AmishDude:
"Who's doing the raping Don??"
Pure fucking genius. 1:30 of entertainment that will never be topped.
"Who's doing the raping Don??"
Pure fucking genius. 1:30 of entertainment that will never be topped.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:35 PM (q5APL)
589
Ace, the great Breitbart, peace be upon him, said politics is downstream from culture. The left spent it's time taking over the schools while we took over the school boards. We see which has been more effective.
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at July 14, 2015 04:25 PM (hslAc)
Then shouldn't every Patriotic Youth been happy to eat Mooch's Free Lunch Swill ?
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at July 14, 2015 04:25 PM (hslAc)
Then shouldn't every Patriotic Youth been happy to eat Mooch's Free Lunch Swill ?
Posted by: Adriane the Edutainment Critic ... at July 14, 2015 04:35 PM (qOsoH)
590
558
I think its rather insulting to insist that the people crossing our border are the best and brightest of Mexico and Central America
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (zOTsN)
They are in effect depopulating their countries, which last time I checked were part of the 3rd world category. And speaking of racism, the Mexicans who are descendants of Europeans have a lock on that country and are incredibly racist towards the indigenous, dirt poor Mestizo majority. For the record.
I think its rather insulting to insist that the people crossing our border are the best and brightest of Mexico and Central America
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (zOTsN)
They are in effect depopulating their countries, which last time I checked were part of the 3rd world category. And speaking of racism, the Mexicans who are descendants of Europeans have a lock on that country and are incredibly racist towards the indigenous, dirt poor Mestizo majority. For the record.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 14, 2015 04:36 PM (St6BJ)
591
Nip Sip - Who is smarter than I am. Rush was just saying what he always says. Stop the circular firing squad. Shoot Hillary, Obama, all the rest. Just let Trump flame out without piling on.
Posted by: Lex at July 14, 2015 04:36 PM (FBjP7)
592
No. Young people are actually more likely to be pro-life than older generations, and their actions reflect this with a falling abortion rate.
Except among blacks
Their abortion rates are pretty steady and they're genociding themselves.
Except among blacks
Their abortion rates are pretty steady and they're genociding themselves.Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 14, 2015 04:36 PM (39g3+)
593
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:27 PM (q5APL)
Because what he says today is completely opposite of what he said in his book in 2000 and unfortunately continues to hold some of those positions. For example, support for some gun restrictions including an AWB.
Because what he says today is completely opposite of what he said in his book in 2000 and unfortunately continues to hold some of those positions. For example, support for some gun restrictions including an AWB.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 14, 2015 04:36 PM (4SgJh)
594
>well i didn't know that and that's something, but you sure seem to be blowing off the part about "but went too far."
I'm not blowing them off. I'm responding to your suggestion that, apparently, only a tiny fraction of the country thinks that Trump said anything right and everyone else is falling over themselves to treat him as a horrible wicked racist who it would be suicidal to concede has a point, or that he said something right.
I notice that Bernie Sanders has a lot of supporters, and that upwards of 40% of voters said they'd be willing to vote for a socialist, according to Gallup. Does that mean you should be going soft on socialism? Supporting some socialist ideas in the GOP? Or at some point are you willing to say 'People oppose us on this, but we have to change their minds, not kowtow'?
I'm not blowing them off. I'm responding to your suggestion that, apparently, only a tiny fraction of the country thinks that Trump said anything right and everyone else is falling over themselves to treat him as a horrible wicked racist who it would be suicidal to concede has a point, or that he said something right.
I notice that Bernie Sanders has a lot of supporters, and that upwards of 40% of voters said they'd be willing to vote for a socialist, according to Gallup. Does that mean you should be going soft on socialism? Supporting some socialist ideas in the GOP? Or at some point are you willing to say 'People oppose us on this, but we have to change their minds, not kowtow'?
Posted by: Crude at July 14, 2015 04:36 PM (DUynq)
595
Might I answer the rhetorical question?
It depends on where you are on the Kubler Ross scale of grieving. Some people are still in denial whileothers have moved on to bargaining. If you like Trump you probably are angry. Those in denial won't like Trump, because they think a better candidate is out there and we can fix this ship without a protest candidate.Those in the bargaining stage, know we are in world of hurt and are hoping for a competent candidate to stave off disaster for few years and don't see Trump as that patch. These people wereRomney voters. He wasn't conservative (Governor of Mass andall)but the guy was competent.There are a lot of depressed Republicansout there that aren't excited about any of these people.
After the election is over suspect most of us will be depressed. Acceptance probably isn't in the cards for the moron horde.
Living in "interesting times" sucks. Especially if you have kids.
Might I answer the rhetorical question?
It depends on where you are on the Kubler Ross scale of grieving. Some people are still in denial whileothers have moved on to bargaining. If you like Trump you probably are angry. Those in denial won't like Trump, because they think a better candidate is out there and we can fix this ship without a protest candidate.Those in the bargaining stage, know we are in world of hurt and are hoping for a competent candidate to stave off disaster for few years and don't see Trump as that patch. These people wereRomney voters. He wasn't conservative (Governor of Mass andall)but the guy was competent.There are a lot of depressed Republicansout there that aren't excited about any of these people.
After the election is over suspect most of us will be depressed. Acceptance probably isn't in the cards for the moron horde.
Living in "interesting times" sucks. Especially if you have kids.
Posted by: simplemin at July 14, 2015 04:36 PM (5vV+V)
596
Those crazy french kids use to tie red ribbons around their necks so symbolize the cut of the guillotine. Of course, this was long after the Revolution.
Those crazy french kids use to tie red ribbons around their necks so symbolize the cut of the guillotine. Of course, this was long after the Revolution.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 14, 2015 04:36 PM (iQIUe)
597
Trump didn't build an empire so much as he inherited one, then expanded it.
He was not born poor. Trump's father was a multi-millionaire.
Nothing wrong with that, but let's get things straight.
Trump didn't build an empire so much as he inherited one, then expanded it.
He was not born poor. Trump's father was a multi-millionaire.
Nothing wrong with that, but let's get things straight.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 14, 2015 04:36 PM (LWWrf)
598
Of course we want to fight each other.
We get shit on by our "leadership" for 30 fucking years! I guess some people are just used to saying, thank you sir may i have another?
We get shit on by our "leadership" for 30 fucking years! I guess some people are just used to saying, thank you sir may i have another?
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, the Highlander at July 14, 2015 04:37 PM (COpZ4)
599
and what do I keep saying?
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:24 PM (bhepQ)
That you actually do read your own blog and the comments on it? Because this is one of the places where I have observed that.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:24 PM (bhepQ)
That you actually do read your own blog and the comments on it? Because this is one of the places where I have observed that.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 14, 2015 04:37 PM (hLRSq)
600
Oh, glad I missed this thread.
Trump strikes a chord with the American people (illegal aliens), and the Republicans can't find their balls in an empty tea cup.
A silver platter was handed, once again, to the GOP, and they spit on it.
Oh, glad I missed this thread.
Trump strikes a chord with the American people (illegal aliens), and the Republicans can't find their balls in an empty tea cup.
A silver platter was handed, once again, to the GOP, and they spit on it.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 14, 2015 04:37 PM (qCMvj)
601
Can't really help with the bank account, but...
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (JtwS4)
Hmmm.
These scruples look more than a bit used . . . .
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 14, 2015 04:35 PM (mf5HN)
Tenderly and roughly, as warranted.
#twoweeks
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM (JtwS4)
Hmmm.
These scruples look more than a bit used . . . .
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 14, 2015 04:35 PM (mf5HN)
Tenderly and roughly, as warranted.
#twoweeks
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:37 PM (JtwS4)
602
We have talked Trump endlessly
BUT CAN ANYONE ON THIS FUCKING BLOG GIVE ME ONE GLARING REASON HE'S NOT A REAL CONSERVATIVE??!!
Or otherwise unfit to vote for? Thanks in advance.
BUT CAN ANYONE ON THIS FUCKING BLOG GIVE ME ONE GLARING REASON HE'S NOT A REAL CONSERVATIVE??!!
Or otherwise unfit to vote for? Thanks in advance.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:37 PM (q5APL)
603
I hope all you guys that are selling the "Trump is a self made man" realize he inherited his dad's real estate holdings and simply leveraged them into his bankruptcy machine.
Self made my ass.
Self made my ass.
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 14, 2015 04:37 PM (0FSuD)
604
Trump is a libertine. If elected, he'll stiff-arm social conservatives at every turn. I have no doubt about that.
The only thing he really cares about is wealth. His tough talk about ISIS means he thinks it needs its ass kicked so the world can be safe again for capitalism.
No illusions about Trump here, but he's a fighter and scoring hits. I hope Walker watches and learns.
Jeb never will. Like Romney, he's a Nice Guy(TM).
The only thing he really cares about is wealth. His tough talk about ISIS means he thinks it needs its ass kicked so the world can be safe again for capitalism.
No illusions about Trump here, but he's a fighter and scoring hits. I hope Walker watches and learns.
Jeb never will. Like Romney, he's a Nice Guy(TM).
Posted by: Feh at July 14, 2015 04:37 PM (fY/0z)
605
Hey, I'm angry too.
But I like Trump stirring the pot.... at least for now.
I won't vote for him, but I'm glad he's stirring the pot.
But I like Trump stirring the pot.... at least for now.
I won't vote for him, but I'm glad he's stirring the pot.
Posted by: matthewjohn at July 14, 2015 04:38 PM (7pEow)
606
I keep saying that Trump's role is mascot. But y'all are too freaked out by the possibility of him instead of smooshy-face Walker getting the nomination that you go on auto-attack mode.
All of these people will turn on us once elected. Why not get the best cultural impact of the spectacle? Or are we expected to believe in shams still?
All of these people will turn on us once elected. Why not get the best cultural impact of the spectacle? Or are we expected to believe in shams still?
Posted by: RiverC at July 14, 2015 04:38 PM (Eg9+v)
607
My theory on Trump was his support was more about tweaking the Establishment that it was actual, real support as in a conservative would pull the lever for him.
Even though I personally think illegal immigration and what we do about it is the one issue that is life or death for America going forward, I can't see myself trusting Donald Trump as deep down, he is a whore that believes in nothing. It just might take a bigger check than usual.
Even though I personally think illegal immigration and what we do about it is the one issue that is life or death for America going forward, I can't see myself trusting Donald Trump as deep down, he is a whore that believes in nothing. It just might take a bigger check than usual.
Posted by: Kal at July 14, 2015 04:38 PM (A3kYV)
608
He says what he wants because he doesn't have any real illusions about winning. If he happened to help a cause I believe in then great. He's still a clown.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2015 04:25 PM (OGm46)
He says what he wants because attention is water and air to him. He doesn't care what attention he gets so long as he gets it.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2015 04:25 PM (OGm46)
He says what he wants because attention is water and air to him. He doesn't care what attention he gets so long as he gets it.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 14, 2015 04:39 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Feh at July 14, 2015 04:39 PM (fY/0z)
610
Blue Hen: Well, enlighten us. What is the number one position Donald Trump has taken that bothers you as a conservative?
Posted by: prescient11
Try again.
Nothing in his history or stated positions indicate him being a conservative. he's doing well now due to name recognition, ability to self fund and that he, like Sanders, is actively working to distinguish himself, while the others are trying to outlast one another.
The fact that he has donated to and has socialized with the clintons would make him at best a NE republican. He's no more a conservative than Mikey Castle or Christie.
Posted by: prescient11
Try again.
Nothing in his history or stated positions indicate him being a conservative. he's doing well now due to name recognition, ability to self fund and that he, like Sanders, is actively working to distinguish himself, while the others are trying to outlast one another.
The fact that he has donated to and has socialized with the clintons would make him at best a NE republican. He's no more a conservative than Mikey Castle or Christie.
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 14, 2015 04:39 PM (Spluw)
611
*Anyone who speaks clearly about what he thinks is as rare as friggin' hen's teeth these days. Most "Republican" wannabe candidates appear to be afraid of such a perilous step. Someone might listen to them, and then there would be hand-wringing....*
Watching the Republican candidates clown shoe their way through the panel on Brett Bair's show has been ridiculous. Some of them can't answer a question about which state is important to win in the primaries (for example, Jindall, who I love, spent 10 spinning it that he was planning on winning every primary). Most of them can't give a straight answer to even the most basic questions. Its disheartening because several of the candidates, I have some measure of respect for. But they're terrified of saying the "wrong" thing and pissing off the donors. Trump answers questions and doesn't care about pissing off the donors or the press. It doesn't mean he's a good candidate but he's doing something we wish the other candidates would do- straight decisive talk about issues we care about.
Watching the Republican candidates clown shoe their way through the panel on Brett Bair's show has been ridiculous. Some of them can't answer a question about which state is important to win in the primaries (for example, Jindall, who I love, spent 10 spinning it that he was planning on winning every primary). Most of them can't give a straight answer to even the most basic questions. Its disheartening because several of the candidates, I have some measure of respect for. But they're terrified of saying the "wrong" thing and pissing off the donors. Trump answers questions and doesn't care about pissing off the donors or the press. It doesn't mean he's a good candidate but he's doing something we wish the other candidates would do- straight decisive talk about issues we care about.
Posted by: Mrs. Clinton's Snizz at July 14, 2015 04:39 PM (vDEpI)
612
Tenderly and roughly, as warranted.
#twoweeks
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:37 PM (JtwS4)
I concede the field.
#twoweeks
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:37 PM (JtwS4)
I concede the field.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 14, 2015 04:39 PM (mf5HN)
613
>>BUT CAN ANYONE ON THIS FUCKING BLOG GIVE ME ONE GLARING REASON HE'S NOT A REAL CONSERVATIVE??!!
You've had people answer you repeatedly. Are you missing all of them or do you just choose to pretend they aren't really answering you?
You've had people answer you repeatedly. Are you missing all of them or do you just choose to pretend they aren't really answering you?
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2015 04:40 PM (OGm46)
614
Annnd while this kabuki theater commences, the back of the pack candidates I like keep being ignored by the media.
This is a long horse race. Trump might be ahead now, and then fade away later in the home stretch. But that requires someone else pacing him now, or making a bold move later to break out.
Why do the other candidates like Jindal or Walker not take a bolder stance, say proudly they agree with Trump in spirit, but then articulate a brilliant position that defines their own feelings? Heaven forbid they actually try to stand out from the pack. You know, look presidential. Be what they claim they want to be. Ughhh.
This is a long horse race. Trump might be ahead now, and then fade away later in the home stretch. But that requires someone else pacing him now, or making a bold move later to break out.
Why do the other candidates like Jindal or Walker not take a bolder stance, say proudly they agree with Trump in spirit, but then articulate a brilliant position that defines their own feelings? Heaven forbid they actually try to stand out from the pack. You know, look presidential. Be what they claim they want to be. Ughhh.
Posted by: LizLem at July 14, 2015 04:40 PM (hvf9s)
615
Also, I think a lot of Trump's wealth is in the USA (correct me if I'm wrong) unlike most of these political blue-bloods, connected to international corps. So it does appear he has skin in the game, which might be why he is so fired up: hoplite instinct.
Posted by: RiverC at July 14, 2015 04:40 PM (Eg9+v)
616
" Their abortion rates are pretty steady and they're genociding themselves."
That is largely due to Sangers work with black pastors to get them to tell their parishioners that "God would understasnd, and He forgives you."
It was straight up eugenics and it worked. Black women are the most religious of any segment, but still abort at disproportionate rates.
That is largely due to Sangers work with black pastors to get them to tell their parishioners that "God would understasnd, and He forgives you."
It was straight up eugenics and it worked. Black women are the most religious of any segment, but still abort at disproportionate rates.
Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2015 04:40 PM (MYCIw)
617
Cruzinator:
True. The AWB issue is a big deal for me. But I think that he's explained that one pretty well.
The fact is that it didn't work, it didn't do one damn thing on gun crime or mass shootings, so now he's adamantly against it.
Pretty much he's against any new gun law. Ammoland interview was good. That's great in my book. At least he wouldn't fucking Pat Toomey us.
Don't you people see the value in this. Trump can say, hey, I was CONCERNED about gun violence and SUPPORTED doing something, but then we found out it didn't work, didn't do anything, so I'm against new gun laws period. They never stop criminals.
THAT'S QUITE THE REASONABLE POSITION, no? Your average voter on their way to little league will be like, fuck, that sounds pretty damn reasonable.
True. The AWB issue is a big deal for me. But I think that he's explained that one pretty well.
The fact is that it didn't work, it didn't do one damn thing on gun crime or mass shootings, so now he's adamantly against it.
Pretty much he's against any new gun law. Ammoland interview was good. That's great in my book. At least he wouldn't fucking Pat Toomey us.
Don't you people see the value in this. Trump can say, hey, I was CONCERNED about gun violence and SUPPORTED doing something, but then we found out it didn't work, didn't do anything, so I'm against new gun laws period. They never stop criminals.
THAT'S QUITE THE REASONABLE POSITION, no? Your average voter on their way to little league will be like, fuck, that sounds pretty damn reasonable.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:40 PM (q5APL)
618
*looks at scruples*
*looks at bank account*
Well fuck me.
Can't really help with the bank account, but...
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM
It took 37 comments to hit that hanging curve ball? It's like I don't even know you people anymore....
*looks at bank account*
Well fuck me.
Can't really help with the bank account, but...
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 14, 2015 04:31 PM
It took 37 comments to hit that hanging curve ball? It's like I don't even know you people anymore....
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2015 04:40 PM (QiBX8)
619
The reason conservatives turn on each other so much is not that we're "too purist" or "too RINO" or whatever. Its because we're wound up to a near total state of rage and shock and anything that comes near is likely to be shredded. What we need is a leader we can all rally behind that will shape and use that fury to good and constructive purpose.
And we don't have that. The best we get are guys like Trump and Gingrich who can for a short time attract our fury by saying the right things against the right people without fear or backing down.
And we don't have that. The best we get are guys like Trump and Gingrich who can for a short time attract our fury by saying the right things against the right people without fear or backing down.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 14, 2015 04:40 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Jeh Johnson at July 14, 2015 04:41 PM (W5DcG)
621
it's not as if anyone in the Stupid party has delivered on the pro-life agenda since W, over a decade ago.
Walker signed a law that would have shut down some unsafe abortion facilities, but it got overturned by a judge (surprise, surprise).
http://is.gd/uqJZS1
http://is.gd/nKC1zN
Walker signed a law that would have shut down some unsafe abortion facilities, but it got overturned by a judge (surprise, surprise).
http://is.gd/uqJZS1
http://is.gd/nKC1zN
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 14, 2015 04:41 PM (ZKzrr)
622
>>565 no, it's a battle long lost. You and others have told yourselves this, but your children will be pro-choice (even if they have distaste for abortion) and that will be that"
No. Young people are actually more likely to be pro-life than older generations, and their actions reflect this with a falling abortion rate.
Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2015 04:32 PM (MYCIw)
Science has proven 'clump of cells' to be a lie.
No. Young people are actually more likely to be pro-life than older generations, and their actions reflect this with a falling abortion rate.
Posted by: Lauren at July 14, 2015 04:32 PM (MYCIw)
Science has proven 'clump of cells' to be a lie.
Posted by: Lea at July 14, 2015 04:41 PM (TNfXh)
623
age of consent in Chile, Columbia, Mexico, Paraguay and Peru is 12
Honduras its 14
Ecuador doesnt even have an age of consent
So they come here and think 6th graders are appropriate sex partners
Honduras its 14
Ecuador doesnt even have an age of consent
So they come here and think 6th graders are appropriate sex partners
Posted by: ThunderB at July 14, 2015 04:41 PM (zOTsN)
624
Jeb is a nice guy? How about a big fat NO!. jebba du hutt is an aristicrat by nature and above all the conflict.
Posted by: The Baron of Earl at July 14, 2015 04:42 PM (vIK1c)
625
Theory: Trump actually *is* SMOD.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 14, 2015 04:34 PM (b65cm)
SMOD has better hair.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 14, 2015 04:34 PM (b65cm)
SMOD has better hair.
Posted by: LizLem at July 14, 2015 04:42 PM (hvf9s)
626
621 it's not as if anyone in the Stupid party has delivered on the pro-life agenda since W, over a decade ago.
Might want to take a look at Texas lately.
Might want to take a look at Texas lately.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 14, 2015 04:42 PM (4SgJh)
627
Scott Walker or Rick Perry could echo Trump's savvy attack on the open border, take Trump's supporters, and broker a deal with the establishment.
Or, every GOPer could firebomb the base until only the Chamber of Commerce is still willing to vote for them.
I wonder which scenario is going to happen. I wonder.
Or, every GOPer could firebomb the base until only the Chamber of Commerce is still willing to vote for them.
I wonder which scenario is going to happen. I wonder.
Posted by: Old Hob at July 14, 2015 04:42 PM (NBhge)
628
It took 37 comments to hit that hanging curve ball? It's like I don't even know you people anymore....
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2015 04:40 PM (QiBX
Hell, even the pussies at Reason would have "hit that" in less than 20....
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2015 04:40 PM (QiBX
Hell, even the pussies at Reason would have "hit that" in less than 20....
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 14, 2015 04:42 PM (nqiq9)
629
Reporter: "Mr. Trump, lots of critics, many from YOUR OWN PARTY say you're angry, what do you have to say about that?"
Trump: "Listen, there's a huge (sorry, Trump, so UUGE!) difference between anger and passion. Anger is how I feel when 26 year old reporters ask me a question they already know the answer to. Passion is what I feel when I am trying rescue the country I love, because that same reporter refused to do his job for the last 8 years. Next question..."
Trump: "Listen, there's a huge (sorry, Trump, so UUGE!) difference between anger and passion. Anger is how I feel when 26 year old reporters ask me a question they already know the answer to. Passion is what I feel when I am trying rescue the country I love, because that same reporter refused to do his job for the last 8 years. Next question..."
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 14, 2015 04:42 PM (5buP8)
630
Jackstraw:
Can you copy and paste it cause I'm not seeing it. Blue Hen hasn't pointed to a specific fact, he just keeps making the unfounded assertion that trump is not a conservative.
And I answered Cruzinator's point.
Can you copy and paste it cause I'm not seeing it. Blue Hen hasn't pointed to a specific fact, he just keeps making the unfounded assertion that trump is not a conservative.
And I answered Cruzinator's point.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:43 PM (q5APL)
631
and what will we win with the fifteen percent of the forty percent, exactly?
which works out to be about 6% of the whole?
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:00 PM (bhepQ)
-------
Says the guy who threw a bitch fit a few months ago and decided to vote Democrat to "burn it all down." Now so concerned about Trump and the Republican brand. I'm getting whiplash from the bipolar swings.
All I see winning in politics now is people with their hand out - "you want the black/Latino/gay/straight/disabled/furry etc. etc. vote, you better reach out to that constituency". Reach out with what, exactly?
A blank check. You can be Satan himself, so long as the check clears.
Well, reach out to ME with a blank check. Bribe me, the Republican base, with what I/we want, instead of the day-laborer who may decide to rob a passer-by if a truck doesn't pick him up for a job that day.
My ass will be dislodged from the couch to vote in 2016 if 1) the Great Conservative Hope materializes or 2) I am "bribed" with a carrot like everyone else. Especially since most of that money is just mine being refunded to me. That's how it is these days, and ya best get right with it and get yours from it. At least until the checks stop clearing.
Anticipating the Burning Times? Like Palmolive, "you're soaking in it", quite literally after the Iran deal. So don't sweat Trump, he's the least of our worries.
which works out to be about 6% of the whole?
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:00 PM (bhepQ)
-------
Says the guy who threw a bitch fit a few months ago and decided to vote Democrat to "burn it all down." Now so concerned about Trump and the Republican brand. I'm getting whiplash from the bipolar swings.
All I see winning in politics now is people with their hand out - "you want the black/Latino/gay/straight/disabled/furry etc. etc. vote, you better reach out to that constituency". Reach out with what, exactly?
A blank check. You can be Satan himself, so long as the check clears.
Well, reach out to ME with a blank check. Bribe me, the Republican base, with what I/we want, instead of the day-laborer who may decide to rob a passer-by if a truck doesn't pick him up for a job that day.
My ass will be dislodged from the couch to vote in 2016 if 1) the Great Conservative Hope materializes or 2) I am "bribed" with a carrot like everyone else. Especially since most of that money is just mine being refunded to me. That's how it is these days, and ya best get right with it and get yours from it. At least until the checks stop clearing.
Anticipating the Burning Times? Like Palmolive, "you're soaking in it", quite literally after the Iran deal. So don't sweat Trump, he's the least of our worries.
Posted by: Saltydonnie at July 14, 2015 04:43 PM (i6shs)
632
582 I'm disappointed that teh Donald doesn't use my Spray on Hair.
Posted by: Ron Popiel at July 14, 2015 04:35 PM (vIK1c)
I wish Walker would. That's the most awkward bald spot I can recall.
Posted by: Ron Popiel at July 14, 2015 04:35 PM (vIK1c)
I wish Walker would. That's the most awkward bald spot I can recall.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at July 14, 2015 04:44 PM (vgIRn)
633
it's not as if anyone in the Stupid party has delivered on the pro-life agenda since W, over a decade ago. Might want to take a look at Texas lately.
Posted by: Cruzinator
A fair point, as was the one about Walker.
Posted by: Cruzinator
A fair point, as was the one about Walker.
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 14, 2015 04:44 PM (Spluw)
634
613: people talk about Trump's record, which is to say, positions he has formerly given on issues. They're not good. But then, Obama was pro-trad marriage in 2008, so in comparison, Trump seems to have the most to lose here. As for what he has said so far, nothing of it really strays far from the war party rhetorical position; and he seems to have enough swagger to perhaps do a few things instead of simply be tricked by liberals.
I don't imagine a president can change Roe v Wade or 6/26 at all - a cultural upheaval involving fire and blood will be required now. Let's hope Trump is the first step in bringing that about.
Or is all of that a joke when the rubber hits the road, and we just want a few more seats in congress?
I don't imagine a president can change Roe v Wade or 6/26 at all - a cultural upheaval involving fire and blood will be required now. Let's hope Trump is the first step in bringing that about.
Or is all of that a joke when the rubber hits the road, and we just want a few more seats in congress?
Posted by: RiverC at July 14, 2015 04:44 PM (Eg9+v)
Posted by: Feh at July 14, 2015 04:45 PM (fY/0z)
636
I had a perfect view to the west until Trump erected one of his Trump L'oeil hotels. Then again, the view was to Jersey City.
hah
hah
Posted by: eleven at July 14, 2015 04:45 PM (IPzoI)
637
"Why do the other candidates like Jindal or Walker not take a bolder stance, say proudly they agree with Trump in spirit, but then articulate a brilliant position that defines their own feelings?"
Because nobody would believe them and rightly so. Same word garbage said to get elected.
Trump actually took the victims of the invasion and gave them a voice.
None of the uniparty toadies will upset their masters.
Because nobody would believe them and rightly so. Same word garbage said to get elected.
Trump actually took the victims of the invasion and gave them a voice.
None of the uniparty toadies will upset their masters.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 14, 2015 04:45 PM (n3WNZ)
638
We have talked Trump endlessly BUT CAN ANYONE ON THIS FUCKING BLOG GIVE ME ONE GLARING REASON HE'S NOT A REAL CONSERVATIVE??!! Or otherwise unfit to vote for? Thanks in advance.
Posted by: prescient11
Because the people who's approval one desperately craves don't like him.
And that's all the reason one needs.
We have talked Trump endlessly BUT CAN ANYONE ON THIS FUCKING BLOG GIVE ME ONE GLARING REASON HE'S NOT A REAL CONSERVATIVE??!! Or otherwise unfit to vote for? Thanks in advance.
Posted by: prescient11
Because the people who's approval one desperately craves don't like him.
And that's all the reason one needs.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 14, 2015 04:45 PM (kdS6q)
639
So they come here and think 6th graders are appropriate sex partners
Well they would be, if you racist godbotherers would shut up and let us teach the Joy of Sex in kindergarten already.
Well they would be, if you racist godbotherers would shut up and let us teach the Joy of Sex in kindergarten already.
Posted by: Kevin Jennings at July 14, 2015 04:45 PM (ZKzrr)
640
If you don't see the problem with a Craigslist style marketplace of baby parts, I don't get it. There's a demand, sure, so that means there's a profit motive to being on the supply side. You think all those billboards and commercials for PP are PSA's? They're pitches. In a world where disturbing a lizard or a minnow is a Federal crime, slaughtering fetal humans is a growth industry.
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 14, 2015 04:45 PM (2cS/G)
641
Millennials are more pro-life because of ultrasound technology and early pregnancy test. You can see a heart beat at 5 weeks with a good machine and define sex at 14 weeks oh I mean gender.
They love photos and the pictures are all over social media.
They love photos and the pictures are all over social media.
Posted by: Lex at July 14, 2015 04:46 PM (FBjP7)
642
>>Can you copy and paste it cause I'm not seeing it. Blue Hen hasn't pointed to a specific fact, he just keeps making the unfounded assertion that trump is not a conservative.
No. Just scroll up.
But his past support for things like gun control, pro-choice, big government cronyism, open support for Dems, etc., etc., etc.. is well documented.
The fact that he said something good about illegals doesn't change all of that.
No. Just scroll up.
But his past support for things like gun control, pro-choice, big government cronyism, open support for Dems, etc., etc., etc.. is well documented.
The fact that he said something good about illegals doesn't change all of that.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2015 04:46 PM (OGm46)
643
If I might be so bold, I'm linking to a Twitter rant of mine that someone Storified. Said rant pretty captures both my feelings on Trump and bullshit condescension that many on the, um, right (assemble circular firing squad!) are engaging in:
https://goo.gl/szBzz3
I don't think Trump can win the nomination because I think he's more or less topped out at his current level of support, which will recede once people become more aware of his ardent leftism; I hope so anyway. However, unless the actual GOP candidates up their game, he can cause enough damage so that the 2016 presidential election will be a foregone conclusion.
https://goo.gl/szBzz3
I don't think Trump can win the nomination because I think he's more or less topped out at his current level of support, which will recede once people become more aware of his ardent leftism; I hope so anyway. However, unless the actual GOP candidates up their game, he can cause enough damage so that the 2016 presidential election will be a foregone conclusion.
Posted by: physics geek at July 14, 2015 04:46 PM (MT22W)
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What astounds me is that people view Trump's differing positions on things as a weakness.
Are you fucking kidding me. This guy is like a secret weapon, he's impossible to pin down, he's a celebrity, and the media can't fucking help themselves.
The crucial point is that the media can't pigeonhole him like they do Cruz, nor do they even want to. A lot of them actually like Trump or at least are amused by him.
And what, we shit all over the guy because our PC police said that his remarks didn't set the right "tone"?? Are you fucking kidding me.
Trump is now numero uno in the polls. He said build a wall.
Nah, the "electable" the "moderate" the "reasoned" the "reliable" GOP fucking FRONTRUNNER is running on his "act of love" shit.
And you wonder why the GOP is fucking ready to split in two.
Are you fucking kidding me. This guy is like a secret weapon, he's impossible to pin down, he's a celebrity, and the media can't fucking help themselves.
The crucial point is that the media can't pigeonhole him like they do Cruz, nor do they even want to. A lot of them actually like Trump or at least are amused by him.
And what, we shit all over the guy because our PC police said that his remarks didn't set the right "tone"?? Are you fucking kidding me.
Trump is now numero uno in the polls. He said build a wall.
Nah, the "electable" the "moderate" the "reasoned" the "reliable" GOP fucking FRONTRUNNER is running on his "act of love" shit.
And you wonder why the GOP is fucking ready to split in two.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:46 PM (q5APL)
645
It took 37 comments to hit that hanging curve ball? It's like I don't even know you people anymore....
Fear keeps the outer commenters in line.
Fear keeps the outer commenters in line.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 14, 2015 04:47 PM (evdj2)
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I agree with the whole column.
I honestly think most conservatives would rather have a Republican that was serious about the border and pro-choice than say a Jeb that's pro-life but supports Amnesty.
I know I would.
Posted by: Kal at July 14, 2015 04:30 PM (A3kYV)
Well, simply...what is a pro-life President going to do that would change the law?
That's the whole point of the Supreme Court gambit used on Gay Marriage.
It's almost impossible to get rid of.
If we could ever get a solid block of 5 Conservatives willing to find penumbras,
or, hey here's a thought, follow the damn 10th Amendment. Yeah, sure - abortions bounced back to the states for voting by the people.
Otherwise, pro-life merely patting the puppy on it's head to get it to wag it's tail.
Would i like Roe vs Wade overturned?
Yep.
Will any any R candidate be able to do it?
Noop.
I'll take a sealed border.
I honestly think most conservatives would rather have a Republican that was serious about the border and pro-choice than say a Jeb that's pro-life but supports Amnesty.
I know I would.
Posted by: Kal at July 14, 2015 04:30 PM (A3kYV)
Well, simply...what is a pro-life President going to do that would change the law?
That's the whole point of the Supreme Court gambit used on Gay Marriage.
It's almost impossible to get rid of.
If we could ever get a solid block of 5 Conservatives willing to find penumbras,
or, hey here's a thought, follow the damn 10th Amendment. Yeah, sure - abortions bounced back to the states for voting by the people.
Otherwise, pro-life merely patting the puppy on it's head to get it to wag it's tail.
Would i like Roe vs Wade overturned?
Yep.
Will any any R candidate be able to do it?
Noop.
I'll take a sealed border.
Posted by: naturalfake at July 14, 2015 04:47 PM (0cMkb)
647
I told him to be careful where he was casting that Pocket Fisherman but no!!
he doesn't listen.
Ripped a big chunk from the top of his skull.
he doesn't listen.
Ripped a big chunk from the top of his skull.
Posted by: Ron Popiel at July 14, 2015 04:47 PM (vIK1c)
648
I'm disappointed that teh Donald doesn't use my Spray on Hair.
Posted by: Ron Popiel
...................................
It's a great product.
I'm disappointed that teh Donald doesn't use my Spray on Hair.
Posted by: Ron Popiel
...................................
It's a great product.
Posted by: Barry Scarhead Soetoro at July 14, 2015 04:47 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 14, 2015 04:47 PM (mf5HN)
650
Can you copy and paste it cause I'm not seeing it. Blue Hen hasn't pointed to a specific fact, he just keeps making the unfounded assertion that trump is not a conservative.
I've said repeatedly that he has said and done nothing until now that was vaguely conservative. Someone else noted that his writings reflect that.
So donating and hobnobbing with the clintons is unfounded? What a pathetic lie.
He's effectively hammering one arguably conservative issue. And that contradicts what he siad less than three years ago. Still, he's more effective than the Pack of Stupid.
I've said repeatedly that he has said and done nothing until now that was vaguely conservative. Someone else noted that his writings reflect that.
So donating and hobnobbing with the clintons is unfounded? What a pathetic lie.
He's effectively hammering one arguably conservative issue. And that contradicts what he siad less than three years ago. Still, he's more effective than the Pack of Stupid.
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 14, 2015 04:48 PM (Spluw)
651
641: but they still have no power to change Roe v. Wade and never had. And in case, in a heated situation, they will remain silent while babies are butchered.
They say to themselves quietly, "At least they are mostly black babies."
They say to themselves quietly, "At least they are mostly black babies."
Posted by: RiverC at July 14, 2015 04:48 PM (Eg9+v)
652
The Establishment is afraid of Trump because they are afraid of losing. That is also why the Establishment fears the Tea Party - nota disagreement ofideology but a lilly-livered belief thatAmericans won't vote for it unless watered down. Morons do themselves America no favors by supporting a buffoon who does not share their ideology and scares the Establishment. You're just shooting yourselves in both feet. If Trump - God forbid - snatched the nomination, we should collectively move to Canada and leave the countries to the two remaining fools.
Posted by: Crispian at July 14, 2015 04:48 PM (rY+Q1)
653
316 "The current Republican party leadership is basically ok with Obama's policies. There concern is running Leviathan, not shrinking it. I share *nothing* in common with them."
B-b-b-but- they're CONSISTENT!!!
Better an inconsistent whatever than a consistent traitor, socialist, and wrecker
316 "The current Republican party leadership is basically ok with Obama's policies. There concern is running Leviathan, not shrinking it. I share *nothing* in common with them."
B-b-b-but- they're CONSISTENT!!!
Better an inconsistent whatever than a consistent traitor, socialist, and wrecker
Posted by: MAx at July 14, 2015 04:48 PM (YJeFl)
654
Jackstraw:
So he threw some money at some Dem politicians during his day.
The guy is a fucking billionaire. In New York.
So in the general election, you know when MILLIONS OF FUCKING DEMOCRATS are also considering who to vote for, you think it's a bad thing to have a guy on the ticket who has acted in a somewhat bipartisan way in his political donations habits??
Hmmmm, interesting.
So he threw some money at some Dem politicians during his day.
The guy is a fucking billionaire. In New York.
So in the general election, you know when MILLIONS OF FUCKING DEMOCRATS are also considering who to vote for, you think it's a bad thing to have a guy on the ticket who has acted in a somewhat bipartisan way in his political donations habits??
Hmmmm, interesting.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:49 PM (q5APL)
Posted by: eleven at July 14, 2015 04:49 PM (IPzoI)
656
It took 37 comments to hit that hanging curve ball? It's like I don't even know you people anymore....
Fear keeps the outer commenters in line.
Word.
Fear keeps the outer commenters in line.
Word.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2015 04:50 PM (S9U/P)
657
Just my take over the whole Trump thing. I think most people have never seen or heard what a leader is, since for the last couple of decades we haven't had one even close to that category of character that is willing to take all the barbs and arrows without breaking down and apologizing for being so mean.
People liking Trump are refreshed by this, whether he turns out to be a good or bad candidate. He's unusual. He's something we wish all the so-called "conservatives" would be.
But, alas..........
People liking Trump are refreshed by this, whether he turns out to be a good or bad candidate. He's unusual. He's something we wish all the so-called "conservatives" would be.
But, alas..........
Posted by: Soona at July 14, 2015 04:50 PM (P25Hh)
658
When Anna Nicole Smith used to run around saying, "Look at my tits and ass!" did we deny that her tits and ass weren't worth looking at?
Say what you want about her character, but she had some nice tits and ass!
Say what you want about her character, but she had some nice tits and ass!
Posted by: Fritz at July 14, 2015 04:50 PM (UzPAd)
659
Everyone on board to choose a Supreme Court Justice via reality tv?
Everyone on board to choose a Supreme Court Justice via reality tv?
Posted by: Crispian at July 14, 2015 04:50 PM (rY+Q1)
660
Hell, Trump's old liberal positions make him bulletproof. They can't say, "you opposed same sex marriage in x year," they have to try to call him a clown and say he hurt peoples' feelings. Then he calls them a pathetic reporter and the interview is over, Trump 1, Media 0.
I don't pretend this represents any kind of political acumen (of the varied sort necessary to be effective at national leadership) but God, Damn it is refreshing.
I don't pretend this represents any kind of political acumen (of the varied sort necessary to be effective at national leadership) but God, Damn it is refreshing.
Posted by: RiverC at July 14, 2015 04:50 PM (Eg9+v)
661
649 All of this discussion of Trump really makes me miss Traficant.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 14, 2015 04:47 PM (mf5HN)
Beam me up, Scotty!
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 14, 2015 04:47 PM (mf5HN)
Beam me up, Scotty!
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 14, 2015 04:51 PM (nqiq9)
662
There are a dozen candidates I would rather vote for than Trump, but he is the one out there leading right now.
I know Ace gets frustrated that people don't denounce him immediately, but Ace keeps clinging to candidates who are just as flawed.
Regardless of how he looks on paper, Rick Perry can't talk.
That's one the requirement for the job.
Sorry.
I know Ace gets frustrated that people don't denounce him immediately, but Ace keeps clinging to candidates who are just as flawed.
Regardless of how he looks on paper, Rick Perry can't talk.
That's one the requirement for the job.
Sorry.
Posted by: jwest at July 14, 2015 04:51 PM (P/xrJ)
663
659 smash TV only
Posted by: RiverC at July 14, 2015 04:51 PM (Eg9+v)
664
Blue Hen: Yes hobknobbing with the Clintons is surely going to turn off voters who have voted democrat in the general election.
ATC: Traficant was priceless.
ATC: Traficant was priceless.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:51 PM (q5APL)
665
I beer were free nobody would pay any attention to this crapola.
Posted by: Killerdog at July 14, 2015 04:52 PM (KBZ5e)
666
So in the general election, you know when MILLIONS OF FUCKING DEMOCRATS are also considering who to vote for, you think it's a bad thing to have a guy on the ticket who has acted in a somewhat bipartisan way in his political donations habits?? Hmmmm, interesting.
Posted by: prescient11
That might work.
But it doesn't make him a conservative. lots of things float, inlcding shit.
Posted by: prescient11
That might work.
But it doesn't make him a conservative. lots of things float, inlcding shit.
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 14, 2015 04:52 PM (Spluw)
667
Trump is definitely riding a bit of a Bulworth high. More interesting than I thought he'd be.
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 14, 2015 04:52 PM (2cS/G)
668
>>So he threw some money at some Dem politicians during his day.
>>The guy is a fucking billionaire. In New York.
You don't seem to understand why he did it. A huge portion of The Donald's wealth was made through crony capitalism. Working with pols of both parties to get favors for his real estate empire. Stuff like that used to bother conservatives a long time ago. Like yesterday.
If you want to believe that Trump is a real conservative, something I haven't even heard him call himself, then have at it. I have a different view of the guy and why he is doing what he is doing.
But let's stop pretending that Republicans haven't attacked Republicans until Trump came along. That's just stupid.
>>The guy is a fucking billionaire. In New York.
You don't seem to understand why he did it. A huge portion of The Donald's wealth was made through crony capitalism. Working with pols of both parties to get favors for his real estate empire. Stuff like that used to bother conservatives a long time ago. Like yesterday.
If you want to believe that Trump is a real conservative, something I haven't even heard him call himself, then have at it. I have a different view of the guy and why he is doing what he is doing.
But let's stop pretending that Republicans haven't attacked Republicans until Trump came along. That's just stupid.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2015 04:53 PM (OGm46)
669
I am the illusion destroyer!! Jeb, Hillary, Donald - I'll take them all on, show them why they can't have what I have, do what I do, be what I am!! I will destroy their illusions!!! WOOOO!!!! Get in the ring!!!
Posted by: Nature Boy 2016 at July 14, 2015 04:53 PM (8d1Bh)
670
Blue Hen: Yes hobknobbing with the Clintons is surely going to turn off voters who have voted democrat in the general election. ATC: Traficant was priceless.
Posted by: prescient11
You lied repeatedly and said that no one ofered reasons for why they thought that he wasn't a conservative.
now you're moving the goal posts. We have four senators all playing nice with dems today. Does any one of them win the fantasy conservative derby?
Posted by: prescient11
You lied repeatedly and said that no one ofered reasons for why they thought that he wasn't a conservative.
now you're moving the goal posts. We have four senators all playing nice with dems today. Does any one of them win the fantasy conservative derby?
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 14, 2015 04:54 PM (Spluw)
671
RiverC - Absolutely!!!
Soona: If Trump adds religious freedom as a feather in his cap, adding on the immigration, watch the fuck out.
Trump may actually get the whole thing.
Soona: If Trump adds religious freedom as a feather in his cap, adding on the immigration, watch the fuck out.
Trump may actually get the whole thing.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:54 PM (q5APL)
672
It took 37 comments to hit that hanging curve ball? It's like I don't even know you people anymore....
Fear keeps the outer commenters in line.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 14, 2015 04:47 PM
Bandersnatch apparently being an inner commenter, then. Hmmm....
Fear keeps the outer commenters in line.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 14, 2015 04:47 PM
Bandersnatch apparently being an inner commenter, then. Hmmm....
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2015 04:54 PM (QiBX8)
673
Ace: "Lauren, you're a bully and sound like a SJW when you criticize me, but hey, congrats on the new baby and you're a good person."
Ah, geez.
Ah, geez.
Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at July 14, 2015 04:54 PM (u0lmX)
674
604 "Trump is a libertine. If elected, he'll stiff-arm social conservatives at every turn. I have no doubt about that."
So he's JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE".
604 "Trump is a libertine. If elected, he'll stiff-arm social conservatives at every turn. I have no doubt about that."
So he's JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE".
Posted by: MAx at July 14, 2015 04:54 PM (YJeFl)
675
I thought it was understood that Conservative does not equal Republican.
Trump is a non-conservative Republican.
Nescafe?
Trump is a non-conservative Republican.
Nescafe?
Posted by: eleven at July 14, 2015 04:55 PM (IPzoI)
676
If you want to believe that Trump is a real conservative, something I haven't even heard him call himself, then have at it. I have a different view of the guy and why he is doing what he is doing. But let's stop pretending that Republicans haven't attacked Republicans until Trump came along. That's just stupid.
Posted by: JackStraw
Don't fret. He thinks that I started the Birch Society.
Posted by: JackStraw
Don't fret. He thinks that I started the Birch Society.
Posted by: Crispy Creme at July 14, 2015 04:55 PM (Spluw)
677
"Limbaugh says that the attacks on Trump are so bad that they simply cannot be walked back, should he win."
Forget it. No one is stopping or walking back anything. "Destroy Trump" is the mission. They will apply themselves toward it with a focus and persistence they wouldn't dream of directing against the Left.
Forget it. No one is stopping or walking back anything. "Destroy Trump" is the mission. They will apply themselves toward it with a focus and persistence they wouldn't dream of directing against the Left.
Posted by: rrpjr at July 14, 2015 04:55 PM (s/yC1)
678
Millennials are more pro-life because of ultrasound technology and early pregnancy test. You can see a heart beat at 5 weeks with a good machine and define sex at 14 weeks oh I mean gender.
They love photos and the pictures are all over social media.
Posted by: Lex
I think most Americans are pro-life in the moral sense, there's very few people that really believe abortion is just another form of birth control.
But I don't think most Millenials are interested in the politics of abortion in terms of outlawing it.
They love photos and the pictures are all over social media.
Posted by: Lex
I think most Americans are pro-life in the moral sense, there's very few people that really believe abortion is just another form of birth control.
But I don't think most Millenials are interested in the politics of abortion in terms of outlawing it.
Posted by: Kal at July 14, 2015 04:56 PM (A3kYV)
679
Remember to use the fine linen papers, brand name inks and elegant gold tipped fountain pens available at The Outrage Outlet when you write your screed/rant/manifesto/ravings that you mail to the FBI via the politicians that you proclaim are dead to you!
Dead! Did you hear me? You are DEAD to me!!!!!!!!
*insane gibberish, misspelling, random ink blots and crude sketches follow*
Dead! Did you hear me? You are DEAD to me!!!!!!!!
*insane gibberish, misspelling, random ink blots and crude sketches follow*
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 14, 2015 04:56 PM (hLRSq)
680
Jack, interesting to me to wonder whether Trump would look on a new role as POTUS any differently than he looked on his role in the past as wheeler dealer.
He might see it as an opportunity to elevate his game and become a real statesman. That idea could appeal to an ego like his. I'm not holding my breath, but it isn't impossible.
He might see it as an opportunity to elevate his game and become a real statesman. That idea could appeal to an ego like his. I'm not holding my breath, but it isn't impossible.
Posted by: Feh at July 14, 2015 04:57 PM (fY/0z)
681
to WHOM?
If you have data backing up these intimations that Trump, like
Palin, has really tapped into the cultural zeitgeist, please share it
with me.
Otherwise, these are all fantasies.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:01 PM (bhepQ)
-----People who frequent your site, apparently. Even ones that aren't "rah rah Trump" sure as hell like what he's saying, even if they think he, personally, is a lying shit weasel. Which he is.
If his rhetoric gains no traction, then why are people showing up at Trump rallys? For his hair? Why is the media portraying him in a negative light? Why are the Republicans taking action to shut him up or marginalize him, as you yourself pointed out in your own posts a few days ago? Why are the liberals Why are you writing posts focusing on it instead of dissecting a trailer from Comic Con? Can't be because he's meaningless. I don't trust Trump, but his rally regarding illegal immigration, that had victims of crimes by illegals in attendance, victims of all colors by the by, was BRILLIANT. This is what the left does daily, and the Republicans couldn't do if their lives depended on it.
If you have data backing up these intimations that Trump, like
Palin, has really tapped into the cultural zeitgeist, please share it
with me.
Otherwise, these are all fantasies.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:01 PM (bhepQ)
-----People who frequent your site, apparently. Even ones that aren't "rah rah Trump" sure as hell like what he's saying, even if they think he, personally, is a lying shit weasel. Which he is.
If his rhetoric gains no traction, then why are people showing up at Trump rallys? For his hair? Why is the media portraying him in a negative light? Why are the Republicans taking action to shut him up or marginalize him, as you yourself pointed out in your own posts a few days ago? Why are the liberals Why are you writing posts focusing on it instead of dissecting a trailer from Comic Con? Can't be because he's meaningless. I don't trust Trump, but his rally regarding illegal immigration, that had victims of crimes by illegals in attendance, victims of all colors by the by, was BRILLIANT. This is what the left does daily, and the Republicans couldn't do if their lives depended on it.
Posted by: Saltydonnie at July 14, 2015 04:57 PM (i6shs)
682
When Anna Nicole Smith used to run around saying, "Look at my tits and ass!" did we deny that her tits and ass weren't worth looking at?
Say what you want about her character, but she had some nice tits and ass!
Posted by: Fritz at July 14, 2015 04:50 PM (UzPAd)
............................................
"We seem to have a major cleavage here..."
When Anna Nicole Smith used to run around saying, "Look at my tits and ass!" did we deny that her tits and ass weren't worth looking at?
Say what you want about her character, but she had some nice tits and ass!
Posted by: Fritz at July 14, 2015 04:50 PM (UzPAd)
............................................
"We seem to have a major cleavage here..."
Posted by: wth - who likes it when the discussion turns to tits and ass at July 14, 2015 04:57 PM (wAQA5)
683
I love the persnicketty people who have all these ways to prove racism isn't racism, but are just wrong about everything.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:10 PM (bhepQ)
This is pathetic. Of course there are groups of people who are native Indians, metizos, and Spanish/European in South America. But Trump said Mexican. Mexican is not a race. Or are we now talking about SJW dog whistles? Or the "Saying illegal immigrant means you hate brown people." Just go on with ignoring the main point that what Trump said was not racist.
Funny that you just agreed with Trumps point that Mexico is dumping it's poor on us. It just doesn't matter what the skin color is.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:10 PM (bhepQ)
This is pathetic. Of course there are groups of people who are native Indians, metizos, and Spanish/European in South America. But Trump said Mexican. Mexican is not a race. Or are we now talking about SJW dog whistles? Or the "Saying illegal immigrant means you hate brown people." Just go on with ignoring the main point that what Trump said was not racist.
Funny that you just agreed with Trumps point that Mexico is dumping it's poor on us. It just doesn't matter what the skin color is.
Posted by: WOPR at July 14, 2015 04:57 PM (nRvEn)
684
Posted by: Saltydonnie at July 14, 2015 04:57 PM (i6shs)
What percentage of the voting public is represented by AoSHQ? I think that number would be a little important to know.
What percentage of the voting public is represented by AoSHQ? I think that number would be a little important to know.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 14, 2015 04:59 PM (hLRSq)
685
rrpjr - Right K Williamson and ilk losing their minds over Trump when all Rush is saying is use the flame throwers on Obama and Hillary.
How hard is this? The Bush's were all for planned parenthood before they weren't and all the females support Gay Marriage.
How hard is this? The Bush's were all for planned parenthood before they weren't and all the females support Gay Marriage.
Posted by: Lex at July 14, 2015 04:59 PM (FBjP7)
686
Basically Trump is a less principled, less conservative, less polished, less experiencedversion of Newt Gingrich.
He does fight. He does not mince his words like a pansy. He will attack the media.
Sometimeshis efforts areclumsy and self destructive. I do not think he would make a good president.
Basically Trump is a less principled, less conservative, less polished, less experiencedversion of Newt Gingrich.
He does fight. He does not mince his words like a pansy. He will attack the media.
Sometimeshis efforts areclumsy and self destructive. I do not think he would make a good president.
Posted by: simplemin at July 14, 2015 04:59 PM (5vV+V)
687
He might see it as an opportunity to elevate his game and become a real statesman. That idea could appeal to an ego like his. I'm not holding my breath, but it isn't impossible.
Posted by: Feh
he might. What freaks me out is the contrast to the cameo besotted guy I remember and the fact that he is, comparatively speaking, an elephant dancing among the chickens.
Posted by: Feh
he might. What freaks me out is the contrast to the cameo besotted guy I remember and the fact that he is, comparatively speaking, an elephant dancing among the chickens.
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 14, 2015 04:59 PM (Spluw)
688
Jackstraw:
Um, newsflash, in any business, since the beginning of time, if you are a major businessman, especially in a Dem captured city, you give political contributions to both sides.
I mean for fuck's sake, if conservatives are this fucking stupid or ideologically pure then it's no wonder they lose.
What do you expect the guy to do, tell all the democrats THAT RUN THE FUCKING CITY AND CAN SHUT EVERYTHING HE WANTS TO DOWN to go fuck themselves, he's a conservative warrior??
Come on. And Blue Hen, let's hold onto that lying card a bit. I've addressed the criticisms that I've seen so far, and honestly they are not very good.
All I'm saying is give me the best reason not to vote for Trump. I'm skeptical too, but that's b/c Trump is who he is.
Cruzinator had the best criticism so far, but I think it's properly, and acceptably, answered by Trump in his ammoland interview.
Um, newsflash, in any business, since the beginning of time, if you are a major businessman, especially in a Dem captured city, you give political contributions to both sides.
I mean for fuck's sake, if conservatives are this fucking stupid or ideologically pure then it's no wonder they lose.
What do you expect the guy to do, tell all the democrats THAT RUN THE FUCKING CITY AND CAN SHUT EVERYTHING HE WANTS TO DOWN to go fuck themselves, he's a conservative warrior??
Come on. And Blue Hen, let's hold onto that lying card a bit. I've addressed the criticisms that I've seen so far, and honestly they are not very good.
All I'm saying is give me the best reason not to vote for Trump. I'm skeptical too, but that's b/c Trump is who he is.
Cruzinator had the best criticism so far, but I think it's properly, and acceptably, answered by Trump in his ammoland interview.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 04:59 PM (q5APL)
689
@394: "I am still wondering how stating the obvious--that Mexico has sent us
their worst felons and we are paying the price by letting them in over
and over scott free--is somehow racist."
Well, it all worked out for the best with the Marielitos, right? Yeah, Miami got kinda sporty for a couple of years, but it's full of hot chicks and rich people now!
their worst felons and we are paying the price by letting them in over
and over scott free--is somehow racist."
Well, it all worked out for the best with the Marielitos, right? Yeah, Miami got kinda sporty for a couple of years, but it's full of hot chicks and rich people now!
Posted by: Jimmy Carter at July 14, 2015 04:59 PM (amQXf)
690
What percentage of the voting public is represented by AoSHQ? I think that number would be a little important to know.
1 meeeelllllllion.
1 meeeelllllllion.
Posted by: eleven at July 14, 2015 05:00 PM (IPzoI)
691
Agreeing that Mexican is a race is the first step to SJW losertown
Agreeing that Mexican is a race is the first step to SJW losertown
Posted by: MAx at July 14, 2015 05:00 PM (YJeFl)
692
668 What would matter is having 5-6 real conservatives on the supreme court, which will not happen and precedent is a bitch.
The permanent bureaucracy skews left to the extreme and represents things like the IRS scandal - such occurrences should not be considered unusual or rare but workaday. What is unusual is them setting of a chain of events that rose to national notice.
Education and media skew heavily left, and most powerful groups of actors are either raw opportunists (as many business leaders must be) or skew mildly or heavily left. It is only in the view of the framing of anyone to the right of Trotsky as 'right' that Fox News is anything other than a bunch of tag-along communists.
The business leaders are not a problem; the Left figured out that they will, and must, follow the cultural mandates to do business and will kow-tow generally to the line they need to make the deals they need to make. The fact that CEO's skew as right as they do despite that is just a matter of the required character for such a position. These people cannot be relied upon to be a cultural bulwark: ergo the right has no cultural bulwarks.
But don't go and tell me the capitalists are pro-choice and such. They're pro-whatever they need to be to do business, because they're fuckin' good at doing business and to do business you have to grease the wheels and not fight cultural battles.
We simply lack persons of the quality in consistent number and form to do what the right wants because we lost all of the institutions that help produce them - now including more or less, the military.
Our churches were never organized enough to be a real cultural force except for perhaps the puritans, but they became unitarians and the rest is the history of Harvard.
The permanent bureaucracy skews left to the extreme and represents things like the IRS scandal - such occurrences should not be considered unusual or rare but workaday. What is unusual is them setting of a chain of events that rose to national notice.
Education and media skew heavily left, and most powerful groups of actors are either raw opportunists (as many business leaders must be) or skew mildly or heavily left. It is only in the view of the framing of anyone to the right of Trotsky as 'right' that Fox News is anything other than a bunch of tag-along communists.
The business leaders are not a problem; the Left figured out that they will, and must, follow the cultural mandates to do business and will kow-tow generally to the line they need to make the deals they need to make. The fact that CEO's skew as right as they do despite that is just a matter of the required character for such a position. These people cannot be relied upon to be a cultural bulwark: ergo the right has no cultural bulwarks.
But don't go and tell me the capitalists are pro-choice and such. They're pro-whatever they need to be to do business, because they're fuckin' good at doing business and to do business you have to grease the wheels and not fight cultural battles.
We simply lack persons of the quality in consistent number and form to do what the right wants because we lost all of the institutions that help produce them - now including more or less, the military.
Our churches were never organized enough to be a real cultural force except for perhaps the puritans, but they became unitarians and the rest is the history of Harvard.
Posted by: RiverC at July 14, 2015 05:00 PM (Eg9+v)
693
518 to be honest I'm not sure that Trump did much more with his $40 MILLION BEQUEATHMENT -- in, what, 1970 dollars? -- than passive investment + inflation would have done.
Using a 12% historical rate of return on equities that would have yielded $2.1 bn by today.
And his $9 bn claim is utterly bogus. He attributes $3 bn of that to the "value" of his brand.
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This little line of discussion misses the point. Increasing your fortune over 45 years in the stock market is relatively easy in comparison. Wheeling and dealing your way to a much larger return without simply investing requires more skill. So does moving from 40 million to even a *mere* 6 billion... Inflation notwithstanding.
As far as trump the candidate goes, I am withholding my opinion. We have a long ways to go and it seems a bit early to be digging our trenches. I love the way he gives the middle finger to everyone in much the same way I wish I could do... But much remains to be seen.
Using a 12% historical rate of return on equities that would have yielded $2.1 bn by today.
And his $9 bn claim is utterly bogus. He attributes $3 bn of that to the "value" of his brand.
------
This little line of discussion misses the point. Increasing your fortune over 45 years in the stock market is relatively easy in comparison. Wheeling and dealing your way to a much larger return without simply investing requires more skill. So does moving from 40 million to even a *mere* 6 billion... Inflation notwithstanding.
As far as trump the candidate goes, I am withholding my opinion. We have a long ways to go and it seems a bit early to be digging our trenches. I love the way he gives the middle finger to everyone in much the same way I wish I could do... But much remains to be seen.
Posted by: ElKomandante at July 14, 2015 05:01 PM (APQ2q)
694
"...You know what? You know what? I would even hire President Obama. No, you know, you know what? Fuggetabout that. Renting is for chumps, I know, I buy things all the time, I own fabulous things, lots of things, you have to own. I'd buy Obama, I'd buy him like you wouldn't believe."
Posted by: General Zod at July 14, 2015 05:02 PM (zLmTo)
695
Well if we nominated a stripper or a porn star then we would have a tits and ass candidate, now wouldn't we?
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2015 05:02 PM (e3bId)
696
Nood abortion.
Posted by: eleven at July 14, 2015 05:02 PM (IPzoI)
697
One thing I do disagree on with Rush is that the contenders do need to criticize each other.
I mean, this is a fucking primary. But they can do it without resorting to personal attacks.
Like Trump said, Bloomberg is a personal friend of his even though the two disagree on guns. Since when in the fuck can two people not agree on an issue but still not be friends at the end of the day.
Trump has the ability to pull back from this politics as personal destruction shit since he knows so many people on both sides.
That's why he's not going to be stridently attacking Hillary the person, as much as he can.
Pretty fucking smart move I think.
I mean, this is a fucking primary. But they can do it without resorting to personal attacks.
Like Trump said, Bloomberg is a personal friend of his even though the two disagree on guns. Since when in the fuck can two people not agree on an issue but still not be friends at the end of the day.
Trump has the ability to pull back from this politics as personal destruction shit since he knows so many people on both sides.
That's why he's not going to be stridently attacking Hillary the person, as much as he can.
Pretty fucking smart move I think.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 05:03 PM (q5APL)
698
Everyone on board to choose a Supreme Court Justice via reality tv?
Posted by: Crispian at July 14, 2015 04:50 PM (rY+Q1)
........................................
SCOTUS Apprentice.
Judges Naked and Afraid
So You Think You Can Judge
Everyone on board to choose a Supreme Court Justice via reality tv?
Posted by: Crispian at July 14, 2015 04:50 PM (rY+Q1)
........................................
SCOTUS Apprentice.
Judges Naked and Afraid
So You Think You Can Judge
Posted by: wth at July 14, 2015 05:04 PM (wAQA5)
699
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:01 PM (bhepQ)
-----
When was the last time someone, ANYONE, told Hillary or Barry off to their faces? I mean, really, truly, no bullsh*t called them out on any, ANY, of their criminality? Or even their day to day politcal bullsh*t? I mean rubbed their faces in it, leaving them squirming? Isn't that what you praise Rand Paul for doing to Debbie Schultz? The f*cking MEDIA doesn't even do that, because they are oh so afraid to flip off the King or Queen. Especially a King "of Color" or a "Vagina-American". Why in the living Hell do the Republicans not do the same, at all?
The Emperor has no clothes! He's BUCK NAKED!
Trump will disappear if the other Republicans take his message (i.e. the issue his clown antics highlight) and "refine" it, instead of running from it like a bull in Pamplona.
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When was the last time someone, ANYONE, told Hillary or Barry off to their faces? I mean, really, truly, no bullsh*t called them out on any, ANY, of their criminality? Or even their day to day politcal bullsh*t? I mean rubbed their faces in it, leaving them squirming? Isn't that what you praise Rand Paul for doing to Debbie Schultz? The f*cking MEDIA doesn't even do that, because they are oh so afraid to flip off the King or Queen. Especially a King "of Color" or a "Vagina-American". Why in the living Hell do the Republicans not do the same, at all?
The Emperor has no clothes! He's BUCK NAKED!
Trump will disappear if the other Republicans take his message (i.e. the issue his clown antics highlight) and "refine" it, instead of running from it like a bull in Pamplona.
Posted by: Saltydonnie at July 14, 2015 05:04 PM (i6shs)
700
If we nominated Caitlyn Jenner, we'd have a tits, ass, dick, balls, gold-medal-and-god-only-knows-what-else candidate.
And Jenner is a Republican.
Tally the win.
And Jenner is a Republican.
Tally the win.
Posted by: General Zod at July 14, 2015 05:05 PM (zLmTo)
701
@416: "The GOP intends to do nothing about abortion other than flap their gums."
The last guy who intended to actually *do* anything about abortion other than talk was Eric Rudolph. And like John Brown found before him (on a different issue), there wasn't exactly a groundswell of support for doing anything beyond talking.
The last guy who intended to actually *do* anything about abortion other than talk was Eric Rudolph. And like John Brown found before him (on a different issue), there wasn't exactly a groundswell of support for doing anything beyond talking.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 14, 2015 05:06 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at July 14, 2015 05:07 PM (rJUlF)
703
fine. again, if the case for Trump is that his Blunt
Talk is setting the public a-fire with passion, let's see these poll
numbers showing that.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:02 PM (bhepQ)
---Appealing to polls for validity? You mean like exit polls? Or a poll CNN whipped up in 10 minutes made up of lefties from the Starbucks down the street? Hah!
Talk is setting the public a-fire with passion, let's see these poll
numbers showing that.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2015 04:02 PM (bhepQ)
---Appealing to polls for validity? You mean like exit polls? Or a poll CNN whipped up in 10 minutes made up of lefties from the Starbucks down the street? Hah!
Posted by: Saltydonnie at July 14, 2015 05:08 PM (i6shs)
704
Well, we're better than you are.
And yeah we took the fucking check.
We took the fucking check over the dead bodies of your loved ones, but to be fair it was a lot of money.
And yeah we took the fucking check.
We took the fucking check over the dead bodies of your loved ones, but to be fair it was a lot of money.
Posted by: GOPe at July 14, 2015 05:09 PM (oFCZn)
705
We are so getting played by Hillary! and her Manchurian Candidate, The Donald.
Posted by: MacGruber at July 14, 2015 05:09 PM (C278+)
706
@436: "Being anti-abortion isn't about being moral, it's about being human."
Unfortunately, mass slaughter is very human; our history is quite literally dripping with it.
Unfortunately, mass slaughter is very human; our history is quite literally dripping with it.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 14, 2015 05:12 PM (amQXf)
707
Oh, 495 comments, and now the damn blog software is going to let me write a comment. It couldn't finish loading to where this entry block would work back at #50.
Damnit.
Anyway, I agree with Ace's "I'm Angry too" bit. Hell, on top of that I'm an actual conservative, and actual working class. I may actually be going through a bankruptcy in the future, but I earned it the hard way, by going out of business myself, with the cat being reposessed and all that stuff. I have a job besides yelling "You're fired!" at bad actors and minor celebrities all day long. I wish it paid better.
I could really give details, but I don't want to talk about my problems on the net.
Damnit.
Anyway, I agree with Ace's "I'm Angry too" bit. Hell, on top of that I'm an actual conservative, and actual working class. I may actually be going through a bankruptcy in the future, but I earned it the hard way, by going out of business myself, with the cat being reposessed and all that stuff. I have a job besides yelling "You're fired!" at bad actors and minor celebrities all day long. I wish it paid better.
I could really give details, but I don't want to talk about my problems on the net.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at July 14, 2015 05:14 PM (sxa/c)
708
701.
That seems to be all even social conservatives want on the issue.
I would take someone like Rudy Giuliani who's pro-choice but REALLY good at fighting liberals over real issues someone like Huckabee that just wants to use the buzzwords over and over again that lead to nothing.
We're never going to really outlaw abortion, that's the stuff of fantasy. Even before Roe vs Wade many states allowed it and people that wanted it got one.
Abortion laws should be up to the states but realistically, every state is going to have enough loopholes that anyone that wants an abortion will always be able to get one.
That's why a better approach would be to convince people on the morality of abortion rather than lawfare.
That seems to be all even social conservatives want on the issue.
I would take someone like Rudy Giuliani who's pro-choice but REALLY good at fighting liberals over real issues someone like Huckabee that just wants to use the buzzwords over and over again that lead to nothing.
We're never going to really outlaw abortion, that's the stuff of fantasy. Even before Roe vs Wade many states allowed it and people that wanted it got one.
Abortion laws should be up to the states but realistically, every state is going to have enough loopholes that anyone that wants an abortion will always be able to get one.
That's why a better approach would be to convince people on the morality of abortion rather than lawfare.
Posted by: Kal at July 14, 2015 05:15 PM (A3kYV)
709
With his complete turnaround on every single issue, I believe Trump doesn't care about winning the Presidency but is doing what he thinks is necessary to win the Republican nomination.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 14, 2015 05:16 PM (4SgJh)
710
"...the cat being repossessed..."
Brother, I can spare a dime. Actually, all told, you may be slightly ahead--cats are net negatives.
Brother, I can spare a dime. Actually, all told, you may be slightly ahead--cats are net negatives.
Posted by: General Zod at July 14, 2015 05:16 PM (zLmTo)
711
>>He might see it as an opportunity to elevate his game and become a real statesman. That idea could appeal to an ego like his. I'm not holding my breath, but it isn't impossible.
I suppose anything is possible. But I don't think Trump is all that great a businessman. He bankrupts his businesses constantly, including yesterday, and walks away from the carnage leaving the rest of us to pay for it.
I do think he's an excellent self-promoter. But I'm not sure I want to live in the United States of Trump.
I suppose anything is possible. But I don't think Trump is all that great a businessman. He bankrupts his businesses constantly, including yesterday, and walks away from the carnage leaving the rest of us to pay for it.
I do think he's an excellent self-promoter. But I'm not sure I want to live in the United States of Trump.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2015 05:18 PM (OGm46)
Posted by: Stone Cold Steve Austin and The First Yuppie Poet from "Cocktail" at July 14, 2015 05:22 PM (amQXf)
713
Trump in 2016!!!
Posted by: Midwest Mike at July 14, 2015 05:23 PM (uunK2)
714
Posted by: prescient11 at July 14, 2015 05:03 PM (q5APL
In his interview , Trump backtracked on his former support for AWB by ridiculing the gun control faction for not understanding what real assault weapons are which does not include the AR-15. Which is funny since he apparently didn't know either when he supported the AWB. So he didn't answer exactly what weapons he would ban but reading between the lines it would be those that really fall under the true definition of assault weapon. I can only assume he means full automatic. He's lucky the interviewer was kind and didn't ask the direct question of what weapons he would support a ban.
In his interview , Trump backtracked on his former support for AWB by ridiculing the gun control faction for not understanding what real assault weapons are which does not include the AR-15. Which is funny since he apparently didn't know either when he supported the AWB. So he didn't answer exactly what weapons he would ban but reading between the lines it would be those that really fall under the true definition of assault weapon. I can only assume he means full automatic. He's lucky the interviewer was kind and didn't ask the direct question of what weapons he would support a ban.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 14, 2015 05:25 PM (4SgJh)
715
I would take someone like Rudy Giuliani who's pro-choice but REALLY good at fighting liberals over real issues
Posted by: Kal
"Real issues" - Stuff I care about
"Inconsequential distractions" - Stuff you care about
Got it.
BTW - did you know that Mr. Evil Robot Insurance just the last two weeks bashing conservatives for not loving him enough and costing him the nomination?
I would take someone like Rudy Giuliani who's pro-choice but REALLY good at fighting liberals over real issues
Posted by: Kal
"Real issues" - Stuff I care about
"Inconsequential distractions" - Stuff you care about
Got it.
BTW - did you know that Mr. Evil Robot Insurance just the last two weeks bashing conservatives for not loving him enough and costing him the nomination?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 14, 2015 05:26 PM (kdS6q)
716
Clinton-Trump.
The jet. The wall like you wouldn't believe. The attitude. Her updated wardrobe. His access to Sidney Blumenthal and his ruthless flying eunuchs. Two fortunes. Gold-leaf glamor meets career-federal-employee prole chic. The Donald closes Nurse Ratched.
Scoff at your peril.
The jet. The wall like you wouldn't believe. The attitude. Her updated wardrobe. His access to Sidney Blumenthal and his ruthless flying eunuchs. Two fortunes. Gold-leaf glamor meets career-federal-employee prole chic. The Donald closes Nurse Ratched.
Scoff at your peril.
Posted by: General Zod at July 14, 2015 05:26 PM (zLmTo)
717
What percentage of the voting public is represented by AoSHQ? I think that number would be a little important to know.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 14, 2015 04:59 PM (hLRSq)
And biased or haphazard polls aren't your most reliable source.
Be real - how much of what is "said" here would fly in "public" these days? How do you know what your support is unless you put yourself out there on an issue to see who is like-minded?
PC works to silence each person through social pressure or self-censorship. If I have a point, a good one backed by evidence, all the "racist/bigot/sexist/homophobe" in the world ain't gonna silence me. So the trick is to show others around you that you don't have that fear, and neither should they.I find when I run my mouth these days, backed up by facts mind you, I see people I converse with get that light in their eyes - they may not be willing to drink my Kool Aid, but they are tweaked by a point I raised that they can't refute.
There are articles floating around now calling the Silent Majority the Silenced Majority. I wonder why? And I wonder what the affect that has is?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Quality Paper and Inks for Your Enemies List at The Outrage Outlet! at July 14, 2015 04:59 PM (hLRSq)
And biased or haphazard polls aren't your most reliable source.
Be real - how much of what is "said" here would fly in "public" these days? How do you know what your support is unless you put yourself out there on an issue to see who is like-minded?
PC works to silence each person through social pressure or self-censorship. If I have a point, a good one backed by evidence, all the "racist/bigot/sexist/homophobe" in the world ain't gonna silence me. So the trick is to show others around you that you don't have that fear, and neither should they.I find when I run my mouth these days, backed up by facts mind you, I see people I converse with get that light in their eyes - they may not be willing to drink my Kool Aid, but they are tweaked by a point I raised that they can't refute.
There are articles floating around now calling the Silent Majority the Silenced Majority. I wonder why? And I wonder what the affect that has is?
Posted by: Saltydonnie at July 14, 2015 05:26 PM (i6shs)
718
"That's not racist?" Not for nothing; Mexican is not a "Race".
Posted by: Gulermo at July 14, 2015 05:30 PM (ymhTd)
719
@570: "He'll never get those words out his head. No dad could. Ever."
To defend: this is the pact. But when life loses its meaning and is taken for naught, then the pact is to avenge!
To defend: this is the pact. But when life loses its meaning and is taken for naught, then the pact is to avenge!
Posted by: Taarak the Defender at July 14, 2015 05:32 PM (amQXf)
720
715.
What you would call "inconsequential distraction" I would call "other people's morality that I can't control" and doesn't effect me.
There's a huge list of sins I can also lament that people commit that I don't see stopping anytime soon.
Bu the flow of the 3rd world into the US is something our politicians can control and does effect me.
So if I had a choice between pretend abortion warrior and border hawk, I'll take the border hawk any day.
What you would call "inconsequential distraction" I would call "other people's morality that I can't control" and doesn't effect me.
There's a huge list of sins I can also lament that people commit that I don't see stopping anytime soon.
Bu the flow of the 3rd world into the US is something our politicians can control and does effect me.
So if I had a choice between pretend abortion warrior and border hawk, I'll take the border hawk any day.
Posted by: Kal at July 14, 2015 05:36 PM (A3kYV)
721
@623: "Ecuador doesnt even have an age of consent"
Dowhatnow?
*busy melting down KAYAK's servers to get a flight*
Dowhatnow?
*busy melting down KAYAK's servers to get a flight*
Posted by: Bill Clinton at July 14, 2015 05:39 PM (amQXf)
722
@668: "Working with pols of both parties to get favors for his real estate
empire. Stuff like that used to bother conservatives a long time ago."
Not so much, really. In fact, not at all.
empire. Stuff like that used to bother conservatives a long time ago."
Not so much, really. In fact, not at all.
Posted by: K-Street Project, Grant's Administration, Harding Administration at July 14, 2015 05:46 PM (amQXf)
723
What it is exactly that Trump stands for is moot for some of us. Some of us just want to see the GOP burned to ground. I'd vote for Vermin Supreme in floppy shoes and a fright wig if that would drop a turd in Jeb!'s coronation punch bowl.
At this point, I'd cheer on Trump pulling a Perot and running as an independent. Can you just imagine the workout the fainting couches over at NRO would get should Jeb! come in third in the popular vote?
At this point, I'd cheer on Trump pulling a Perot and running as an independent. Can you just imagine the workout the fainting couches over at NRO would get should Jeb! come in third in the popular vote?
Posted by: rditt at July 14, 2015 06:07 PM (g0/Sv)
724
Posted by: K-Street Project, Grant's Administration, Harding Administration at July 14, 2015 05:46 PM (amQXf)
Your point? That GOP and Conservative are not synonymous now and frequently have not been in the past? We knew that already.
Your point? That GOP and Conservative are not synonymous now and frequently have not been in the past? We knew that already.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at July 14, 2015 06:07 PM (+XMAD)
725
1- can anybody doubt that President Trump would be skimming off 10% from any wall building? It's In his genes. Best kickbacks are construction kickbacks.
Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at July 14, 2015 06:13 PM (uPxUo)
726
Is this the same Rush Limbaugh who advised Republicans to register as Democrats in 2008 so they could vote for Barack Obama in the primaries?
At the same time, some guy on the radio (who also goes by the name Rush Limbaugh, coincidentally) advised conservatives to stay home and to not vote in the general election should John McCain win the Republican nomination.
At the same time, some guy on the radio (who also goes by the name Rush Limbaugh, coincidentally) advised conservatives to stay home and to not vote in the general election should John McCain win the Republican nomination.
Posted by: FireHorse at July 14, 2015 06:15 PM (M6ul5)
727
Is it okay to point out Trump is a life-long pro-abortion without restrictions guy?
Some of us have a problem with that.
Some of us have a problem with that.
Posted by: Adjoran at July 14, 2015 06:18 PM (QIQ6j)
728
Every one of the politicians in this mess remind me of the business meeting I sat in, when one of the "suits" from the Home Office back east came out to rub shoulders with us commons. He started being questioned pretty sharply about some new, and stupid corporate crud. He was so unhappy to have to actually deal with us... He couldn't wait to get back to his world, where he could Think Important Thoughts, and schedule Important Meetings, and attend Important Lunches, and snicker about us rubes out here with all the other corporate drones just like himself. Am I wrong about any of these fools? Is there even one of them who will really deal with the truth, and tell it to us? Sceptically waiting......
Posted by: D the J at July 14, 2015 06:22 PM (XQ4j4)
729
"So if I had a choice between pretend abortion warrior and border hawk, I'll take the border hawk any day."
What about pretend border hawk? You realize that Trump may just be better than the average person at lying about being pissed off about something, right?
What about pretend border hawk? You realize that Trump may just be better than the average person at lying about being pissed off about something, right?
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at July 14, 2015 06:34 PM (yFLjM)
730
"The left spent it's time taking over the schools while we took over the school boards. We see which has been more effective."
Gramsci called it the long march through the institutions.
Creepin while you're sleepin.
Gramsci called it the long march through the institutions.
Creepin while you're sleepin.
Posted by: Knemon at July 14, 2015 06:54 PM (wQ7Iw)
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I'm not exactly pro-the Donald, but can somebody else please bring up some of the stuff he has? Please! It would win votes (and it's bringing up a truth).
Posted by: unknown j. at July 14, 2015 07:10 PM (xZ8ML)
732
No Gramsci didn't say that someGerman student activist in the 60s formulated that phrase as a summary of Gramscis ideas. It was meant to be a play off Mao'sLong March during the Chinese Civil War so it wouldn't have made since for Gramsci to have used that term.
Posted by: Sam Haysom at July 14, 2015 07:14 PM (UtEx8)
733
About Trump being "pro-choice", that interview is from 1999 and in 2011 Trump told the Brody File (CBN News) that he is pro-life. I remember because I supported him in '11 and wouldn't have if he were pro-choice.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at July 14, 2015 07:25 PM (xetep)
734
Here's the link to Trump explaining how he went from pro-choice to pro-life:
The Brody File 2011
http://tinyurl.com/3cr2sqx
The Brody File 2011
http://tinyurl.com/3cr2sqx
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at July 14, 2015 07:28 PM (xetep)
735
"Trump devotion" That's a fallacy, Ace, get over it. Just like last go around, it's a "not Mitt" outrage that draws folks to Trump. Only it's anyone but the GOPe - I am so anti-abortion I think if anyone doesn't go by the letter of the law when it comes to it, should be automatic death sentence. A abhor the 'morals' that cause people to murder their own children.....still though, the most important fight of our generation is to destroy the current political class. That is not "Trump devotion", it's anti-GOPe. You will tear down Trump, then you will tear down the next threat that carries that banner, and the next, and next until you endorse someone who is 'electable' but has the moral character of a squash.
Posted by: doug at July 14, 2015 07:34 PM (IYEs/)
736
As to racism, I must admit to being very troubled by the overwhelming dominance of Kenyan highlanders in distance running. It's almost as if some groups of people might have particular talents to a greater extent than others. Very problematic.
Posted by: phunctor at July 14, 2015 07:53 PM (5VvBx)
737
fine. again, if the case for Trump is that his Blunt
Talk is setting the public a-fire with passion, let's see these poll
numbers showing that.
Posted by: ace a
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You're welcome.
Suffolk University/USA TODAY Poll Shows Trump on Top with GOP Voters Nationwide
http://www.suffolk.edu/news/60431.php#.VaWk57WOZf8
Talk is setting the public a-fire with passion, let's see these poll
numbers showing that.
Posted by: ace a
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You're welcome.
Suffolk University/USA TODAY Poll Shows Trump on Top with GOP Voters Nationwide
http://www.suffolk.edu/news/60431.php#.VaWk57WOZf8
Posted by: ivanka at July 14, 2015 08:11 PM (UseYl)
738
"can anybody doubt that President Trump would be skimming off 10% from any wall building? It's In his genes. Best kickbacks are construction kickbacks."
You say that like it would make a difference to us Tea Party types. The uniparty is skimming 90% off American citizens daily/monthly/yearly.
Trump would be an improvement. He's actually pro-American.
You say that like it would make a difference to us Tea Party types. The uniparty is skimming 90% off American citizens daily/monthly/yearly.
Trump would be an improvement. He's actually pro-American.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 14, 2015 08:43 PM (n3WNZ)
739
Alex the Chick, I don't think Trump will get the nomination. I think the establishment has the process gamed out too neatly for any unapproved candidate to win the GOP primaries. For example, Rubio is only in the race as a stalking horse for Jeb, and the Florida GOP recently changed its primary rules so it's winner-takes-all. One of those two native sons will likely win that state, and thus end up with a huge lead going into the next few weeks of small-state primaries.
I'm backing Trump right now because I want him to feel like the support is there for him to run third-party after the cocktail weenies screw him out of the nomination. I want the anointed one, Jeb, to come in third in the general.
I said a few months ago that this party has betrayed me for the last time, and I meant it.
I'm backing Trump right now because I want him to feel like the support is there for him to run third-party after the cocktail weenies screw him out of the nomination. I want the anointed one, Jeb, to come in third in the general.
I said a few months ago that this party has betrayed me for the last time, and I meant it.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 14, 2015 10:46 PM (wKc1L)
740
#726: Actually, Rush advised people to vote for Hillary in the Dem primaries. He called it Operation Chaos. His goal was to drag out the Dem primaries as long as possible so whoever won would be damaged, and Hillary was losing at that point.
And he didn't advise people to stay home after McCain got the nom; he still felt that McCain was preferable to Obama, even though McCain sucks. Rush did get noticeably more enthusiastic about the McCain candidacy after Sarah Palin was named as McCain's running mate, like a lot of us did.
And he didn't advise people to stay home after McCain got the nom; he still felt that McCain was preferable to Obama, even though McCain sucks. Rush did get noticeably more enthusiastic about the McCain candidacy after Sarah Palin was named as McCain's running mate, like a lot of us did.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler- Trump/Fiorina (I) 2016! at July 14, 2015 11:01 PM (wKc1L)
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 14, 2015 11:44 PM (n3WNZ)
742
"Trump beats Cankles for the presidency
Boehner leads the house, McConnell leads the senate.
Do you really believe that comprehensive immigration reform with a big ass wall is going to be built?
If you do, you are naive."
Sure it will. Trump vs. McConnell? Trump for the win.
Boehner leads the house, McConnell leads the senate.
Do you really believe that comprehensive immigration reform with a big ass wall is going to be built?
If you do, you are naive."
Sure it will. Trump vs. McConnell? Trump for the win.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 14, 2015 11:47 PM (n3WNZ)
743
I love Ace's Hamlet routine. I am just waiting for the end when he announces that all candidates are flawed, and reluctantly he must support the least flawed candidate, namely, Bush or Rubio.
Posted by: Scoob at July 14, 2015 11:56 PM (BFk4h)
744
"My BFF from B-school worked with him directly during one of his workout/restructurings (whichever endeavor of his went tits up ca. 1990)."
"He said Trump is an actual moron in the not life-affirming way who surrounds himself with buffoons. I haven't seen anything to suggest that my friend misread him."
Gee, I'll have to go with the guy who owns/rides in a $100 million dollar 757 airplane(s) and is worth billions of dollars over your BFF's opinion of his intelligence.
"He said Trump is an actual moron in the not life-affirming way who surrounds himself with buffoons. I haven't seen anything to suggest that my friend misread him."
Gee, I'll have to go with the guy who owns/rides in a $100 million dollar 757 airplane(s) and is worth billions of dollars over your BFF's opinion of his intelligence.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 15, 2015 12:09 AM (n3WNZ)
745
If we let Trump win nomination as the Republican Party candidate, then we deserve to have Hillary as President.
Posted by: DavidD at July 15, 2015 12:21 AM (u6aLo)
746
Ace: "Lauren, you're a bully and sound like a SJW when you criticize me, but hey, congrats on the new baby and you're a good person."
The irony, it burns.
The irony, it burns.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 15, 2015 12:23 AM (n3WNZ)
747
Ace,
Its not a matter of Trump being even anywhere near a conservative in viewpoint. Fact is most of the current runners are not either. Trump's value to the base is to bring up the uneasy issues that the establishment GOP want to duck. On that he has already broken thru on several fronts. So much so that even Clinton has had to acknowledge it.
What the hell does it matter on many social issues if the whole country is being burnt down by radicals and over run by illegals. It will be the least of our worries in the near future.
Its not a matter of Trump being even anywhere near a conservative in viewpoint. Fact is most of the current runners are not either. Trump's value to the base is to bring up the uneasy issues that the establishment GOP want to duck. On that he has already broken thru on several fronts. So much so that even Clinton has had to acknowledge it.
What the hell does it matter on many social issues if the whole country is being burnt down by radicals and over run by illegals. It will be the least of our worries in the near future.
Posted by: DrDog at July 15, 2015 10:57 AM (ZVUS/)
748
Vote for Trump because -- a hand grenade with a comb-over -- he will explode the dogma that only New Class university-propagandized persons of gender can, will and should be elected to any office whatsoever.
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