Breaking News From the AP: Iran Deal to be Announced Monday [Weirddave]

VIENNA (AP) — Negotiators at the Iran nuclear talks plan to announce on Monday that they have reached agreement on a historic deal capping nearly a decade of diplomacy that would curb the country's atomic program in return for sanctions relief, diplomats told The Associated Press on Sunday.
The two diplomats said that a provisional agreement may be reached even earlier — by late Sunday. But they cautioned that final details of the pact were still being worked out and a formal agreement still awaits a review from the capitals of the seven nations at the talks.
And senior U.S. and Iranian officials suggested that not enough time was left to reach a provisional deal by Sunday. All of the officials, who are at the talks, demanded anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss the negotiations publicly.
"We are working hard, but a deal tonight is simply logistically impossible," the Iranian official said, noting that the agreement will run roughly 100 pages.

Story here.

Those fools. Those utter, useless, EVIL fools.

I actually hesitated on pulling out the flaming skull because we all knew that this was coming, but I figured in the end, the official announcement that the final section of the road to World War III has been paved was worth dusting off the skull.

We all know that the copy released by the AP is complete propaganda. These were not "tough negotiations" and the deal will do nothing to "curb" Iran's rush to a bomb. The important thing is that a deal was made on Iran's terms because "Deal" was the only thing Obama wanted out of this. The nature of the deal mattered little, and if that's your position going into a negotiation, the deal you get is going to be the one that your opponent wants.

This is what happens shallow, vain, ambitious, narcissistic and frankly stupid people get concerned about what their "legacy" will be. Well, there are many different kinds of legacies. Here's a guy who has a lasting legacy, and he was none of those:

Neville Chamberlain was a British patriot who honestly thought he has succeeded in steering the world away from repeating the horrors of WWI, and instead he guaranteed the greater horrors of WWII. John Kerry and Barack Obama are children playing diplomat on the stage of the world. Their overwhelming concern is not what the results of their actions will be, it's that they be remembered. Well, they will be remembered alright.

37 million died in WWI. 80 million died in WWII. I wonder how many will die this time around?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 12:18 PM

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1 Good thing the GOP can stop it.

Oh wait.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 12, 2015 11:25 AM (dItuC)

2 That comic pretty much sums it up.

Posted by: Lauren at July 12, 2015 11:27 AM (VCv/b)

3
I am ~2/3 through William Manchester's second volume of his Churchill biography, "The Last Lion: Alone." It seems depressingly prescient.
Chamberlain was shallow, vain, ambitious, narcissistic, stupid, and over weeningly concerned with his legacy.

Posted by: butch at July 12, 2015 11:28 AM (0APJ3)

4 Note....

Vichy rhymes with GOPe.....

Hmmmm.... is that considered going Godwin?

Posted by: BB Wolf at July 12, 2015 11:29 AM (qh617)

5 Can we print up some some flaming skull decals for the IDF. They're going to need em.

Posted by: DaveA at July 12, 2015 11:29 AM (DL2i+)

6 37 million died in WWI. 80 million died in WWII. I wonder how many will die this time around?

And they plan to CUT the US Army by 40,000 next year....

/facepalm

Posted by: BB Wolf at July 12, 2015 11:30 AM (qh617)

7 Negotiators at the Iran nuclear talks plan to announce on Monday that they have reached agreement on a historic deal capping nearly a decade of diplomacy that would curb the country's atomic program in return for sanctions relief, diplomats told The Associated Press on Sunday.

Peace in our time! Yay!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 11:30 AM (oKE6c)

8 Call it 120 million, give or take 5 million.

Posted by: Senator John "Bluto" Blutarsky at July 12, 2015 11:31 AM (RgwcE)

9
The funny part is we all know exactly what will happen as soon as it is signed: Iran will turn around to its people and gloat about how they just screwed over the infidel devils.

The funnier part is: I'll believe them.

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 12, 2015 11:33 AM (CiQ7c)

10 It's a terrible, helpless spectator feeling watching these events play out. I'm reminded of a scene from the 1993 movie, 'Gettysburg', where Union cavalry General Buford, played by Sam Elliot, expresses his great fear that Lee's army will take the high ground before Meade's main force arrives, which--it if happens--means a hopeless assault on those hills by Union forces, with no result but slaughter, disaster, defeat.

"It's as if I can actually see the blue troops in one long, bloody moment, going up the long slope to the stony top, as if it were already done, already a memory...".

Same thing here. I give it a year, two years top before whatever happens happens.

Posted by: troyriser at July 12, 2015 11:44 AM (gJU39)

11 Breathable cocktails might help in the days to come.

Posted by: Sandstorm Williams at July 12, 2015 11:55 AM (5N5O1)

12 The Man in the High Castle if the U.S. lost WWII or if the socialists take over today.

Posted by: skip at July 12, 2015 12:19 PM (D7n6r)

13 I most sincerely hope that there is one last honorable person in this Administration who will roll up this fvcking "treaty" and shove it right up Obama's ass.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 12, 2015 12:19 PM (+5g1j)

14 Boom.

Posted by: Mushroom cloud at July 12, 2015 12:19 PM (Gcu5R)

15 ...nearly a decade of diplomacy...

Do they mean 6+ years that Obamao has been in office?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 12, 2015 12:19 PM (NaeCR)

16 Chamberlain was shallow, vain, ambitious, narcissistic, stupid, and over weeningly concerned with his legacy.

Posted by: butch at July 12, 2015 11:28 AM (0APJ3)

What was his golf game like?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:20 PM (oKE6c)

17 America is dying as we watch.

Posted by: Mushroom cloud at July 12, 2015 12:20 PM (Gcu5R)

18 Dear Israel,

Hit Iran right now, please.

Thanks,

eman

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:20 PM (MQEz6)

19 700 million to 2 million tops.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 12, 2015 12:21 PM (baR5c)

20 I wonder what Trump has to say.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:22 PM (MQEz6)

21 First Jewish President. I hope every Jew that voted for this motherfucker is happy.

Posted by: Mushroom cloud at July 12, 2015 12:22 PM (Gcu5R)

22 If the deal with North Korea is any indication, Iran will be cheating before the ink has dried.

Posted by: Hadoop at July 12, 2015 12:23 PM (2X7pN)

23 The flaming skull is needed here. What this administration has done regarding Iran is a disaster of the first magnitude.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the trans-Wookie Original at July 12, 2015 12:23 PM (JUdR1)

24 Follow the money.

Posted by: W and B at July 12, 2015 12:24 PM (Cxp7g)

25 22 If the deal with North Korea is any indication, Iran will be cheating before the ink has dried.
Posted by: Hadoop at July 12, 2015 12:23 PM (2X7pN)

I'll bet they're cheating on it now. While they laugh.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:24 PM (oKE6c)

26 I feel sorry for Israel. If Iran takes out DC, well, que sera, sera.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:24 PM (oKE6c)

27 I wonder how many will die this time around?

----------------

One billion plus. We won't be able to measure down to the nearest million. Or perhaps even the nearest ten million. Just a hunch on how accurately we'll be able to count the dead.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the trans-Wookie Original at July 12, 2015 12:25 PM (JUdR1)

28 WH: Release the squirrels!!

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:25 PM (MQEz6)

29 ARE YOU NOT SCREWED?

Posted by: Emperor Barktacus I at July 12, 2015 12:26 PM (oVJmc)

30 Nothing left to do but pray for the final option: Israel takes out Iran's infrastructure.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 12, 2015 12:26 PM (s/yC1)

31 Peace in our time!1! So, why the long faces?

Posted by: Jon Carry what served in Vietnam at July 12, 2015 12:27 PM (Dwehj)

32 I didn't read the story. How many nukes are we giving them? Are we targeting the missiles for them, too, or hasn't the check to the DNC cleared yet?

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at July 12, 2015 12:27 PM (nFdGS)

33 Dr. Strangelove time.

Posted by: Mushroom cloud at July 12, 2015 12:27 PM (Gcu5R)

34 Every country near Iran that is without nukes and can get them will get them.

Friends will become enemies and enemies will become friends.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:28 PM (MQEz6)

35 Hey, did you see what Brucella Jenner did today? /LIV

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:28 PM (oKE6c)

36 Clover.

Kerry can't resist clover.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:29 PM (MQEz6)

37 I'm in cabela's parking lot right now.
More ammo may not actually help.
But it cant hurt either.

BRB

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 12, 2015 12:29 PM (0IfDs)

38 I'll bet they're cheating on it now. While they laugh.

Sadly, I believe you're right. Without rigorous, unannounced inspections verification is impossible.

Posted by: Hadoop at July 12, 2015 12:29 PM (2X7pN)

39 The Donald: Issue number 2........

Posted by: Mushroom cloud at July 12, 2015 12:29 PM (Gcu5R)

40 Flaming skull on a Sunday.

Nice.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at July 12, 2015 12:30 PM (kmtse)

41 Another foreign policy win for the Choom King. Iran was already violating the deal before they even signed it.

Can Lurch see out of his fly in his shorts pulled over his head? Can Obama pull his mouth off of the penis of his home boy?

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 12, 2015 12:30 PM (GpgJl)

42 It took a lot of horse trading, but I finally convinced them to let us give up the farm.

Posted by: Secretariat of State Lurch Chamberlain at July 12, 2015 12:30 PM (+rqeM)

43 Quite a good chance we'll be playing Find The Nuke In The City soon after the Iranians announce to the world that they have the bomb.

Thanks, Bark and Jon Carry!

(Assholes...)

Posted by: Sasquatch, the trans-Wookie Original at July 12, 2015 12:30 PM (JUdR1)

44 Sadly, I believe you're right. Without rigorous, unannounced inspections verification is impossible.

Posted by: Hadoop at July 12, 2015 12:29 PM (2X7pN)
I'm not clear that verification is possible under practically ANY circumstances.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:30 PM (oKE6c)

45 If I were Trump I'd be talking about treason charges.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 12, 2015 12:31 PM (s/yC1)

46 France has nukes and ICBMs.

Use the damn things or watch Paris vaporize.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:31 PM (MQEz6)

47 Historic.... Decades of diplomacy and only Barrack Hussein Obama could accomplish this...

Blah,blah,blah..... wake Me up when they nuke Washington...

Posted by: donna at July 12, 2015 12:32 PM (Bn6aD)

48 Hey, Bibi, I do get the last laugh.

Posted by: Dog Eater at July 12, 2015 12:32 PM (Gcu5R)

49 Whew! I just got back from back-stabbing the entire Western world and boy are my arms tired!

Posted by: Barack Obama at July 12, 2015 12:32 PM (FcR7P)

50 Iran > Hussein Clown Posse > Agent Orange and the Turtle

Posted by: SMOD/Supervolcano 2016! at July 12, 2015 12:32 PM (+rqeM)

51 Obama and company are desperate for economic growth. They think ending the sanctions and importing 40 million illegals will take us back to 1920/1960/1980 style growth. Yes fools. When Israel takes out Iran Obama will read about it in the papers. When the illegals try to go back home Obama will build a fence to try and stop them.

Posted by: theTruth at July 12, 2015 12:33 PM (PGh+Q)

52 If it's anything like the IAEA's efforts in Iraq, I agree.

Posted by: Hadoop at July 12, 2015 12:33 PM (2X7pN)

53 Fucked, we are.

Of course so is Israel and vast swaths of landscape and people in the region.

The good news is the limited numbers of devices produced that may or may not work for Iran. To be sure the Israeli retaliation will be a MAD moment in history as the genocide of several entire countries becomes the legacy of Barak Obama and John Kerry.

Posted by: Gmac- 'all politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at July 12, 2015 12:33 PM (4CRfK)

54 The Obama administration will have fucked Israel, the region, and us. Honestly I'm having a hard time getting my head around this. The executive branch of the United States is giving a sworn enemy and known sponsor of terrorism cover for developing nuclear weapons. It's like we're living in some kind of mirror universe or nightmare world, but we can't wake up.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 12, 2015 12:33 PM (mx5oN)

55 I'll bet they're cheating on it now. While they laugh.

I worked with a gaggle of muzzie kollidge students many years ago, which gave me a lot of insight into their culture, none of it good.

Muzzies take a perverse pride in deceiving infidels. Lying is sanctioned by their little pretend "religion" and comes as naturally to them as breathing.

Honesty is not in them.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 12, 2015 12:33 PM (eEb+d)

56 # 48 That's what you think.

Posted by: Bibi at July 12, 2015 12:33 PM (Gcu5R)

57 Stop! or I shall say Stop! again.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:33 PM (MQEz6)

58 Will the media have time to cover this? Aren't they too busy going after the Confederate flag and the Donald?

Posted by: donna at July 12, 2015 12:33 PM (Bn6aD)

59 8 Call it 120 million, give or take 5 million.

Posted by: Senator John "Bluto" Blutarsky at July 12, 2015 11:31 AM (RgwcE)

Nope.... most will die of starvation.... I put it at 500 million plus....

The worlds population is ONLY fed due to modern agriculture, and the ability to move large amounts of food to regions where it is not grown.

When the economy collapses (due to debt and the worlds banks no longer being able to prop them up), the system will collapse as countries become insular, to take care of their own.

Think of the US 's economy today, in a WW2 situation... where economic ties are destroyed due to war... where China is not making the crap the US economy wants... where even our MILITARY electronics are made overseas...

Once WAR stops commerce... and history tells us it will... then you need to be self sufficient... (which is one reason I see the 'Free Trade' at any price capitalists in the Republican party as a threat to our existence)...

BUT.... we can and do feed ourselves.... most of the world... cannot...

Posted by: BB Wolf at July 12, 2015 12:33 PM (qh617)

60 Thirty pieces of silver.

Posted by: Jon Carry what served in Vietnam at July 12, 2015 12:34 PM (Dwehj)

61 What is important is that the United States, who as not always lived up to it's ideals as I have, is willing to swallow its pride, cut its own throat, and finally join the community of nations in peace and shared prosperity.

Posted by: Obama the Good at July 12, 2015 12:35 PM (1BQGO)

62 I wonder how many will die this time around?

The CIA Factbook says the population of Iran is about 78.5 million. That would be a good start.

Posted by: Drumwaster at July 12, 2015 12:35 PM (ewBs9)

63 20 I wonder what Trump has to say.
Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:22 PM (MQEz6)

He will lead the fight against it and the other idiots may grow a pair.

Posted by: Avi at July 12, 2015 12:35 PM (7tnyg)

64 Too late to book a trip to Israel?

Posted by: Lizzy at July 12, 2015 12:35 PM (NOIQH)

65 Break a leg, fellas! For the Gipper.

Posted by: Fritz at July 12, 2015 12:36 PM (o/UmK)

66 45 If I were Trump I'd be talking about treason charges.
Posted by: rrpjr at July 12, 2015 12:31 PM (s/yC1)

I think he should stick to illegal immigration for now. That topic is heating up, and he should continue beating on it for a while to extract maximum mileage from it. The Iran sell out is a huge deal, but not ripe for the LIVs yet. Better to focus fire on one target long enough to destroy it before moving on. If he drops illegal immigration now, before others take it up, the issue will submerge. The Democrats and Vichy Republicans sigh in relief, and The Donald won't be able to revive it later.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:36 PM (oKE6c)

67 Predicting the future is difficult, mostly it is the when something is going to happen is the difficult part. That something will happen is the easier part.

If Iran has the bomb Iran will use the bomb. Mutually assured destruction has no deterrent value. I just don't know how long it will take and I don't think anyone else does either.

Posted by: just saying at July 12, 2015 12:36 PM (wkuqO)

68
That useless asshole still has nothing to say, even though it was he who rightly included Iran in the "axis of evil."

I imagine Bush has no idea what's happening in the world. I don't think he reads the paper or watches the news. He probably thinks Iraq is going swimmingly.

But you can bet your ass Bush will speak up for amnesty pretty soon. Mark my words.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 12, 2015 12:36 PM (qe1E5)

69 To Serve Man ... it's a COOKBOOK!!!

Posted by: Kate58 at July 12, 2015 12:36 PM (oLZsm)

70 Next stop North Korea..... What can We give them?

Posted by: donna at July 12, 2015 12:37 PM (Bn6aD)

71 "The Western Powers had a choice between dishonor and war. They chose dishonor. They will have war."

- Winston S. Churchill, speaking on the conclusion of the Czech Crisis, October 1938.

Posted by: Section9 at July 12, 2015 12:37 PM (r3OoA)

72 Obama didn't give Iran the deal they wanted.

Obama gave Iran the deal China wanted.

Posted by: JohnJ at July 12, 2015 12:37 PM (TF/YA)

73 >>>This is what happens shallow, vein, ambitious, narcissistic and frankly stupid people get concerned about what their "legacy" will be.

I hate vein people. I prefer artery people.

Posted by: Bella Pelosi at July 12, 2015 12:38 PM (F1Z8f)

74 We're already working on a new map of the ME that includes Palestine.

Posted by: National Geographic at July 12, 2015 12:38 PM (NOIQH)

75 Fundamental Derangement

Posted by: Prez'nit O'Dhimmi at July 12, 2015 12:38 PM (Dwehj)

76 A bombs are really touchy devices....it would be a shame if one went off when they were tinkering with it.

Posted by: torabora at July 12, 2015 12:38 PM (8xfSA)

77 Do you think Saudi Arabia and Israel will team up? Spit balling, but stranger things have happened.

Posted by: Infidel at July 12, 2015 12:39 PM (kDvjH)

78 Her name was Neda.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:39 PM (MQEz6)

79 Oh great and powerful obama.... We're not worthy,We're not worthy....

Posted by: donna at July 12, 2015 12:40 PM (Bn6aD)

80
Her name was Lola.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 12, 2015 12:40 PM (qe1E5)

81
She worked at the Copa.

Copa Cabana.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 12, 2015 12:40 PM (qe1E5)

82 Thanks, 52%!!

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:40 PM (MQEz6)

83 Big hitter the Mullah.

Posted by: Carl Spackler at July 12, 2015 12:40 PM (WCnJW)

84 The World Cup in 2022 will bring about peace in the region.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at July 12, 2015 12:41 PM (c4yY7)

85 I hate vein people. I prefer artery people.

Bloody nitpicker.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 12, 2015 12:41 PM (WvS3w)

86
We're here just sitting on our thumbs.

Posted by: The Republicans Who Control Congress at July 12, 2015 12:41 PM (qe1E5)

87 Sping, 2009.

Her name was Neda.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:41 PM (MQEz6)

88 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 12, 2015 12:33 PM (eEb+d)

Some years ago I was asked to take a grad student who came totally free, with his own money supplied by his country, everything. A researcher's dream. One condition: he had to work with tritium.

"Huh? Doing what with tritium?" "Doesn't matter. Anything."

Weird. Now suspicious, I asked what his country was.

"Libya."

"Uh ... you know tritium is used in detonators of hydrogen bombs, right?"

My interlocutor blanched white as a sheet, and then mumbled, "Well, yes, of course I knew that ... perhaps I should tell them 'no.'"

"Good idea. And also call the intelligence services."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:42 PM (oKE6c)

89 For a few dollars more...

Posted by: Jon Carry what served in Vietnam at July 12, 2015 12:42 PM (Dwehj)

90
What do you expect us to do?
We only control 1/2 of 1/3 of 1/4 of the government.

Posted by: The Republicans Who Control Congress at July 12, 2015 12:42 PM (qe1E5)

91 Try again.

Spring, 2009.

Her name was Neda.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:42 PM (MQEz6)

92 85 I hate vein people. I prefer artery people.
Bloody nitpicker.
Posted by: Weirddave at July 12, 2015 12:41 PM (WvS3w)

Getting to the heart of the matter, with your finger on the pulse of the news.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:43 PM (oKE6c)

93 >>Bloody nitpicker

Don't be such A Negative guy. B Positive.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 12, 2015 12:44 PM (NOIQH)

94
obama gets his trade deal
obama get this

What's next for who Ace used to say was "checked out" and "semi-retired?"

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 12, 2015 12:44 PM (qe1E5)

95 Neighbor is flying WWII plane over house - omen?

Posted by: Lex at July 12, 2015 12:44 PM (FBjP7)

96 The boss and I privately refer to this as The Great American Fire Sale.

Posted by: Jon Carry what served in Vietnam at July 12, 2015 12:45 PM (Dwehj)

97 Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:42 PM (oKE6c)

Holy shit. People are fucking retarded.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 12, 2015 12:45 PM (mx5oN)

98 In 1981 I knew a grad student from Iraq who was here to study nerve gas chemistry.

Full-paid ticket.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:45 PM (MQEz6)

99 US public culture took a wrong turn when Bill Clinton could be caught in a lie and not be forced to resign. In the end that is what gave us McConnell and Boehner. Note that H. W. Bush couldn't. Make up your own mind about his son W.

Posted by: theTruth at July 12, 2015 12:45 PM (PGh+Q)

100 "Thanks, 52%!!"

If we slide in to economic collapse and World III we'll see that number to drop to 51% support.

Posted by: George at July 12, 2015 12:45 PM (1BQGO)

101 I wonder how many will die this time around?
Posted by: Open Blogger at 12:18 PM

Nostradamus says New York will be wiped out....
Before we wipe the Iranians out....
so there's that...

Posted by: Mr Wizard at July 12, 2015 12:45 PM (hCdMd)

102 I remember her. obama refused to help the protesters in Iran who finally stood up. I shoulda known the, the fuckwad would cave to the mullahs.

Posted by: Infidel at July 12, 2015 12:45 PM (kDvjH)

103 He merrily armed ISIS and Mexican druglords. Of course he'll give Iran nukes.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at July 12, 2015 12:45 PM (m9V0o)

104
Did you know the total budget for For A Few Dollars More was only $600K, which was more than a Fistful Of A Dollars.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 12, 2015 12:46 PM (qe1E5)

105 Obama has turned lame-duckness on its head. Probably the most successful and prolific lame duck president in American history. Republicans should feel proud: he couldn't have done it without them.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 12, 2015 12:46 PM (s/yC1)

106 Why, Aye-orta smack y'all for the puns.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 12, 2015 12:46 PM (WvS3w)

107 In 1981 I knew a grad student from Iraq who was here to study nerve gas chemistry.

What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: The Kurds at July 12, 2015 12:46 PM (Dwehj)

108 Hillary has nothing she can point to as an achievement as Sec of State. Horse face on the other hand will be able to point to smoking ruins in a few years.

Posted by: just saying at July 12, 2015 12:46 PM (wkuqO)

109 This is gonna blow up in their faces..... Literally....

Posted by: donna at July 12, 2015 12:46 PM (Bn6aD)

110
Was For A Few Dollars More a better movie than Fistful?

Hmmmm, I dunno....

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 12, 2015 12:47 PM (qe1E5)

111 "Let's Make a Deal" was more substantial.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at July 12, 2015 12:47 PM (MVitU)

112 If there's anyone left to write the histories, he's going to be remembered as the greatest war criminal in human history.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at July 12, 2015 12:47 PM (m9V0o)

113 It's like we're living in some kind of mirror universe or nightmare world, but we can't wake up.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 12, 2015 12:33 PM (mx5oN)
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We're awake, but we're trapped in the LIVs' dream world. I'm guessing Obama thinks the nuclear Iran would only be able to harm Israel, so he doesn't care. The honey badger would make a better president.

Posted by: Honey Badger 2016 at July 12, 2015 12:47 PM (F1Z8f)

114 Ebola is not caving to Iran.

He wants the West to fail.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:47 PM (MQEz6)

115 Don't worry. This is precisely why I insisted that the President muster a one-third minority vote to approve his deal.

Posted by: Bob Corker at July 12, 2015 12:48 PM (nFdGS)

116 Ambassador Bolton said on Fox, This our Munich.

So true. I guess ValJar really misses her home country.

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 12, 2015 12:48 PM (0FSuD)

117 It was all worth it! Oh-my-God, this next invite will be for the cocktail party to end all cocktail parties!

Posted by: John Boehner at July 12, 2015 12:48 PM (FcR7P)

118 97 Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:42 PM (oKE6c)
Holy shit. People are fucking retarded.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 12, 2015 12:45 PM (mx5oN)

Yeah. I was pretty alarmed, and totally serious that he should call the intelligence services. The next PI they approached might not put it all together.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:48 PM (oKE6c)

119 106 Why, Aye-orta smack y'all for the puns.
Posted by: Weirddave at July 12, 2015 12:46 PM (WvS3w)

We need to take these punsters out of circulation.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 12, 2015 12:49 PM (mx5oN)

120
Even if the R's run the table in 2016, which they won't, I'm pretty sure that the Democrats will still run the show.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 12, 2015 12:49 PM (qe1E5)

121 The shit will hit the fan after our boy is out of office. Won't be his fault then.

Posted by: MFM at July 12, 2015 12:49 PM (Cxp7g)

122
So true. I guess ValJar really misses her home country.
Posted by: Nip Sip at July 12, 2015 12:48 PM (0FSuD)

No worries Val..... I'll take care of Her for you

Bibi....

Posted by: donna at July 12, 2015 12:49 PM (Bn6aD)

123 It may be time for sane people to leave NYC.

Posted by: Infidel at July 12, 2015 12:50 PM (kDvjH)

124 98 In 1981 I knew a grad student from Iraq who was here to study nerve gas chemistry.
Full-paid ticket.
Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:45 PM (MQEz6)/i]

They didn't even have the common decency to dress it up as working on insecticides?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:50 PM (oKE6c)

125 We need to vote Republican so we can take the House and the Senate and use them to thwart Obama and his agenda.

So funny.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:50 PM (MQEz6)

126 I shoulda known the fuckwad would cave to the mullahs.

Took forever to convince them I was on their side! You know how much shit I had to give away?

Posted by: Barack "Nobel" Obama at July 12, 2015 12:50 PM (FcR7P)

127 Was For A Few Dollars More a better movie than Fistful?

Hmmmm, I dunno....

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 12, 2015 12:47 PM (qe1E5)
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Yes. Lee Van Cleef was awesome in that. Unforgettable opening.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton Eastwood at July 12, 2015 12:51 PM (F1Z8f)

128 I hope Washington D.C. gets nuked by an Iranian warhead made with American uranium purchased from the Russians.

Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at July 12, 2015 12:52 PM (2yD4G)

129 Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:50 PM (oKE6c)

I'll bet they got their grad student in somewhere else....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 12, 2015 12:52 PM (Zu3d9)

130 The solution now would be to give the Saudis nukes too. Proliferation prevents conventional war.

Posted by: kartoffel at July 12, 2015 12:52 PM (fVxXv)

131
We're setting up obama to fail.

septimal-dimensional chess, people.

Posted by: The Republicans Who Control Congress at July 12, 2015 12:52 PM (qe1E5)

132 I have several comments ...

First ... As some of you may know, and it's not hard to figure out my pre-bane identity, I'm a pretty damned non-religious man. But I tell you ... these events remind me of my childhood stuck in a Baptist church, listening to Revelation. Call me crazy.

Second ... I really, truly, do not understand why so many of you still cling to the notion of "fixing" this country. The US is leading the diplomatic effort that will result in the elimination of Israel. Why "fix" that ? Why not let it fall, and replace it ?

Finally ... To so many of you that recoil at the "harsh" and "coarse" rhetoric of me and those like me ... those are just words expressing ideas. You're going to see and feel much worse. Best start with baby steps, and learn to tough out strongly verbalized ideas first.

Much worse is coming.

Posted by: Sevens at July 12, 2015 12:52 PM (0HqNX)

133
124 98 In 1981 I knew a grad student from Iraq who was here to study nerve gas chemistry.
Full-paid ticket.
Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:45 PM (MQEz6)/i]

They didn't even have the common decency to dress it up as working on insecticides?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:50 PM (oKE6c)

Nope. The fridge in his lab had a warning about nerve agents.

The poor guy did not want to be doing this. He was a nervous wreck. Saddam had him terrified.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:53 PM (MQEz6)

134 >>>Hillary has nothing she can point to as an
achievement as Sec of State. Horse face on the other hand will be able
to point to smoking ruins in a few years.

Posted by: just saying at July 12, 2015 12:46 PM (wkuqO)<<<

Don't sell her short. Hillary can point to smoking ruins too.

Posted by: zombie Amb. Stevens at July 12, 2015 12:53 PM (+rqeM)

135 Next up Saudi's to buy Pak nukes, if they haven't already.

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 12, 2015 12:53 PM (0FSuD)

136 129 Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:50 PM (oKE6c)
I'll bet they got their grad student in somewhere else....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 12, 2015 12:52 PM (Zu3d9)

I wouldn't take that bet.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:53 PM (oKE6c)

137 The solution now would be to give the Saudis nukes too. Proliferation prevents conventional war.

Now, now- our enemies may get nuclear weapons but we will always have Better Ideas!

Posted by: t-bird at July 12, 2015 12:54 PM (FcR7P)

138 Took forever to convince them I was on their side! You know how much shit I had to give away?

Posted by: Barack "Nobel" Obama at July 12, 2015 12:50 PM (FcR7P)

There is a special place in Hell being reserved for you as we speak. May involve barbed wire enema.

Posted by: Infidel at July 12, 2015 12:54 PM (kDvjH)

139 Hearing that Iran is denying the deal is done. ..

Wonder what is next on the concessions list?

Posted by: RagamuffinB at July 12, 2015 12:54 PM (/J2kU)

140 I hope that Israel and Saudi Arabia announce a nice little technology transfer deal in the moments following our surrender to Iranian demands on Monday. A little MAD might be good for the region.

Posted by: goon at July 12, 2015 12:55 PM (gy5kE)

141 The Saudis already bought their Nukes from Pakistan, who do you. Think paid for all that RD so they could build the bomb.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at July 12, 2015 12:55 PM (c4yY7)

142 Seven years of continuous subversion and destruction, with virtually no opposition.

Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at July 12, 2015 12:55 PM (Dwehj)

143 Deadline after deadline. Red line after red line...... Folks, it's takes a lot of time to totally screw over a nation

Thank you,

Emperor Baraccccck....

Posted by: donna at July 12, 2015 12:55 PM (Bn6aD)

144 Nope. The fridge in his lab had a warning about nerve agents.

The poor guy did not want to be doing this. He was a nervous wreck. Saddam had him terrified.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:53 PM (MQEz6)

A warning on his fridge? That's it? Good God.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:56 PM (oKE6c)

145 It may be time for sane people to leave NYC.

They elected a commie mayor who has undone everything Rudy did to fix up the place.

I'm pretty sure they already left.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 12, 2015 12:57 PM (eEb+d)

146 #Don'tFuckingNukeUs

Posted by: Jennifer Psaki at July 12, 2015 12:57 PM (oKE6c)

147 Hey Ace, I...
Would you like to play the new Farmvill...
Pardon the interruption. As I was saying....
Have you downloaded the Uber app....
Enough already! I am .....
Game of War, if at first you can't succeed pop up 1000 more times....
WTF. Ace if this is some sort of weird denial of service self inflicted attack, it's working. See you in August, if you get your shit together.

Posted by: Jimmy Wing Palantine Records at July 12, 2015 12:58 PM (NnnZy)

148
144 Nope. The fridge in his lab had a warning about nerve agents.

The poor guy did not want to be doing this. He was a nervous wreck. Saddam had him terrified.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:53 PM (MQEz6)

A warning on his fridge? That's it? Good God.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:56 PM (oKE6c)

Yup, you could mosey into his lab any old time. It was just an ordinary fridge, no lock.

The sign worked on me; I never peeked in the fridge.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:59 PM (MQEz6)

149 I've got 'im right where he wants me now.

Posted by: Barack Obama, Warner Bros. cartoon character at July 12, 2015 12:59 PM (F1Z8f)

150 Is it wrong of Me to hope that when they nuke Washington, Congress is in session, and obama is there with the Pope?

Posted by: donna at July 12, 2015 12:59 PM (Bn6aD)

151 Super. What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 12, 2015 12:59 PM (irT2h)

152 I can't wait for this evil jackhole to declare "I guess this tough treaty wasn't as tough as I thought" when the whole Middle East kicks off a nuclear arms race. Crap, I really am going to become a prepper.

Posted by: no good deed at July 12, 2015 12:59 PM (GgxVX)

153 Obama's always wanted to destroy Israel, and now he will have the means. Even if he has to wait 10 years, he will have what he's always wanted. Of course, Israel may not go along with his plan.

Posted by: OCBill at July 12, 2015 12:59 PM (VCCXE)

154 Nope. The fridge in his lab had a warning about nerve agents.

The poor guy did not want to be doing this. He was a nervous wreck. Saddam had him terrified.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:53 PM (MQEz6)

The funny part is that it's not obvious why - as a rogue state - you'd want to do research on nerve agents. It's not as though you're going to kill people any deader, and you can brew up the binary agents safely pretty much at will.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:59 PM (oKE6c)

155
We also ought to have Barking News in which a cute puppy pic is posted to tell us the news in woof-woofs.

Posted by: The Republicans Who Control Congress at July 12, 2015 12:59 PM (qe1E5)

156 Well when Isreal gets hit Iran will be obliterated and the Mossad has some work to do for those that enabled it.

Posted by: drunkinmesa at July 12, 2015 01:00 PM (FUKWF)

157 People on our side (meaning Conservatives) need to be very clear as to what the consequences of doing this are going to mean for any Democrat or GOP Rino that supports this.
It will mean that after the dust settles they will be held accountable. That no excuses will be accepted. That they will after a rather short trial swing at the end of a rope in full public view.

Posted by: southdakotaboy at July 12, 2015 01:00 PM (yh4lQ)

158 150 Is it wrong of Me to hope that when they nuke Washington, Congress is in session, and obama is there with the Pope?
Posted by: donna at July 12, 2015 12:59 PM (Bn6aD)

Probably, there could be one honest man in DC at the time.

Posted by: just saying at July 12, 2015 01:00 PM (wkuqO)

159 I wonder if my canned food jars will survive a nuk blast fallout. I don't live anywhere near a big city. Probably not, the radiation would penetrate all I suppose.

Posted by: Infidel at July 12, 2015 01:00 PM (kDvjH)

160 Yup, you could mosey into his lab any old time. It was just an ordinary fridge, no lock.

The sign worked on me; I never peeked in the fridge.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:59 PM (MQEz6)
Maybe it was bullshit, and he was just tired of people nicking things from his lunch.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 01:01 PM (oKE6c)

161 "It's like we're living in some kind of mirror universe or nightmare world, but we can't wake up."
Posted by: Insomniac at July 12, 2015 12:33 PM (mx5oN)

It honestly is a living nightmare. It wouldn't be if we had an opposition party. Then it would be open war. But the impotence and collusion of the GOP make it a nightmare.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 12, 2015 01:01 PM (s/yC1)

162 The final agreement will include:

1.) One page of acceptable phrases when requesting clearance to nuke Israel, including "Mother, May I?", "So, Nu?", and "Chickens coming home to roost?".

2.) Terminology to describe responses to weekly "How my Mullah-a$$ taste now, Kuffar Beyotch?" conference-calls, such as "sweaty", "De-lish!", "Sweet like cotton-candy!", "Allahu-Akbar!! Death to the Jews!", etc.

3.) A key provision specifying how many Hezbollah and Iranian military personnel will be assigned to the Pentagon for "coordination and control of forces in new Jerusalem-Occupation Force Command".

Posted by: Predictions at July 12, 2015 01:01 PM (2mJMN)

163 150
Is it wrong of Me to hope that when they nuke Washington, Congress is in session, and obama is there with the Pope?Posted by: donna at July 12, 2015 12:59 PM (Bn6aD)

Inauguration Day, 2017, as Hillary! is being sworn in and all are there.

Posted by: In a Just World at July 12, 2015 01:01 PM (Cxp7g)

164 These were not "tough negotiations"

Hey it was tough as hell finding a way to look like we were getting any concessions at all!

Posted by: John Kerry at July 12, 2015 01:02 PM (39g3+)

165 IAF-John has a long mustache, repeat, John has a long mustache.

Posted by: Little Boomer at July 12, 2015 01:02 PM (ZuVs9)

166 Been kinda stressed lately. Think I'll help calm meself to some of that there nerve agent they got in that there fridge.

Posted by: The Night Janitor at July 12, 2015 01:02 PM (Dwehj)

167 152 I can't wait for this evil jackhole to declare "I guess this tough treaty wasn't as tough as I thought" when the whole Middle East kicks off a nuclear arms race. Crap, I really am going to become a prepper.
Posted by: no good deed at July 12, 2015 12:59 PM (GgxVX)

I can hear the asshole now: "I was so angry when I heard this news on CNN. Nobody is madder than I am, and I'll get to the bottom of this. Right after I get back from the golf course."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 01:02 PM (oKE6c)

168 Is it wrong of Me to hope that when they nuke Washington, Congress is in
session, and obama is there with the Pope?Posted by: donna at July
12, 2015 12:59 PM (Bn6aD)

SOTU. We need the Supreme Court justices to be there too.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 01:03 PM (oKE6c)

169 Just wondering which coast is closer to Iran the East or West coast.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at July 12, 2015 01:03 PM (c4yY7)

170
154 Nope. The fridge in his lab had a warning about nerve agents.

The poor guy did not want to be doing this. He was a nervous wreck. Saddam had him terrified.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:53 PM (MQEz6)

The funny part is that it's not obvious why - as a rogue state - you'd want to do research on nerve agents. It's not as though you're going to kill people any deader, and you can brew up the binary agents safely pretty much at will.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:59 PM (oKE6c)

Who knows where a little bit of new knowledge will take you?

Improve potency, stability, storage requirements, novel compounds, sourcing, etc.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 01:03 PM (MQEz6)

171 Does Obama get the political news from the PC sports channels now?

Posted by: just saying at July 12, 2015 01:04 PM (wkuqO)

172 My rage stroke level has hit critical mass. Don't think I can take much more "Historic."

Posted by: donna at July 12, 2015 01:04 PM (Bn6aD)

173 And they plan to CUT the US Army by 40,000 next year....

/facepalm
Posted by: BB Wolf at July 12, 2015 11:30 AM (qh617)
----
How many times do we have to go through this cycle of "rightsizing" followed by desperate recruiting and/or the draft?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at July 12, 2015 01:04 PM (jR7Wy)

174 The repub party already rubber stamped Obama's "deal" with lunatic Iran.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, the Highlander at July 12, 2015 01:04 PM (COpZ4)

175 156
Well when Isreal gets hit Iran will be obliterated and the Mossad has some work to do for those that enabled it.

Posted by: drunkinmesa at July 12, 2015 01:00 PM (FUKWF)

Unfortunately Iran doesn't give a shit about MAD game theory, God is on their side.
Israel subs should probably lob some stuff over there now.

Posted by: Nip Sip at July 12, 2015 01:04 PM (0FSuD)

176 Everybody pray.

Posted by: ThunderB at July 12, 2015 01:05 PM (zOTsN)

177 Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 01:01 PM (oKE6c)

Could be. It could have been filled with vodka and Twinkies.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 01:05 PM (MQEz6)

178 >>> There is a special place in Hell being reserved for you as we speak. May involve barbed wire enema.
Posted by: Infidel at July 12, 2015 12:54 PM (kDvjH)

Cool! You meant that rhetorically for my honey, right? 'Cause I'll be workin' on that railway, all the live-long day, IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: Reggie Love at July 12, 2015 01:05 PM (2mJMN)

179 I love filet mignon skull.

Posted by: Martha Stewart at July 12, 2015 01:05 PM (F1Z8f)

180 Which js going to be the more humiliating surrender, letting the ChiComs roll into Taiwan unopposed because they can sink our carriers, or letting the Iranians take over the ME? Discuss!

Posted by: Agent J at July 12, 2015 01:06 PM (ueOgE)

181
Do you realize how much of a farce this is?!?!

obama is bending over backwards to give iran nukes but makes states here jump through hoops to keep their nuclear power stations open?

obama won't even let us frack!!

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 12, 2015 01:06 PM (qe1E5)

182 Again, some of us live in the BaltiWash corridor and I'd rather not be crispy fried, thank you.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at July 12, 2015 01:06 PM (jR7Wy)

183 173 ...

... it will be a draft. Conscription. Forced collectivism.

My kids are not going. Period.

Posted by: Sevens at July 12, 2015 01:07 PM (0HqNX)

184 Seriously bad times coming. Pray

Posted by: ThunderB at July 12, 2015 01:07 PM (zOTsN)

185 Thanks, GOPe!

Posted by: Agent J at July 12, 2015 01:07 PM (ueOgE)

186 I wonder if Kerry and obama will display the 6 magic beans they received for their most brilliant negotiating.

Posted by: Buffalobob at July 12, 2015 01:07 PM (ERiiw)

187 182 Again, some of us live in the BaltiWash corridor and I'd rather not be crispy fried, thank you

I know, I live near enough to San Francisco to get quite the sunburn...

Posted by: donna at July 12, 2015 01:08 PM (Bn6aD)

188 Kerry got a hat.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 01:08 PM (MQEz6)

189 186...it was negotiated down to one bean each....

Posted by: Mr Wizard at July 12, 2015 01:08 PM (hCdMd)

190 Who knows where a little bit of new knowledge will take you?

Improve potency, stability, storage requirements, novel compounds, sourcing, etc.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 01:03 PM (MQEz6)

True. But I would guess it's pretty hard to improve much on current agents. Straightforward synthesis from readily available starting materials, etc. And after all, they want the effect, not kudos for technical sophistication.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 01:08 PM (oKE6c)

191 183...

Don't worry, no draft. Just lots of taqqiya taxes, and occasionally giving up your 8-year-old daughters to the mullah at the mosque down the street.

Posted by: Agent J at July 12, 2015 01:09 PM (ueOgE)

192 >>> How many times do we have to go through this cycle of "rightsizing" followed by desperate recruiting and/or the draft?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at July 12, 2015 01:04 PM (jR7Wy)

I'd settle for having a Gen. Marshall and Eisenhower in the Pentagon right now, at the least. Unfortunately, all they have is 0Bama's political appointees pushing faygelehs and women on the Combat Arms constantly and F-35 project-managers, these days, with all the decent generals have either been "prematurely retired" or blackmailed into silence.

Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at July 12, 2015 01:09 PM (2mJMN)

193
Do you think Iran will build handicap ramps at their nuke sites? And handicap toilets? And handicap parking spots?

Because that's what obama makes everyone do here, and much much more.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 12, 2015 01:09 PM (qe1E5)

194 Iran by this point was getting a nuke anyway. This was all about Obama trying to seem historic and having something foreign policy to chisel into Mt Rushmore when they carve away one or more of those hated white men to make room.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 12, 2015 01:10 PM (39g3+)

195
187 182 Again, some of us live in the BaltiWash corridor and I'd rather not be crispy fried, thank you

I know, I live near enough to San Francisco to get quite the sunburn...
Posted by: donna at July 12, 2015 01:08 PM (Bn6aD)

Same here.

Also, do not assume they will hit what the aim for.

San Mateo or Hayward might be ground zero.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 01:10 PM (MQEz6)

196 It will take only one nuke to reduce the US to anarchy.

Posted by: Chaos at July 12, 2015 01:10 PM (Cxp7g)

197 ...it was negotiated down to one bean each....

It was a fava bean.

Posted by: Hannibal Kerry at July 12, 2015 01:10 PM (Dwehj)

198 Unfortunately Iran doesn't give a shit about MAD game theory, God is on their side.

They want the world to be bathed in blood. According to their cult, it's supposed to help one of their formerly dead goatfuckers crawl up from some well somewhere to do something, probably to fuck more goats.

And LIV's criticize me for being a Christian?

There's not enough drugs in the world for me to come up with something like that type of idiocy. Millions (if not billions) of dead people? What kind of sick mind does it take to believe that and want to bring it about?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 12, 2015 01:10 PM (eEb+d)

199 Bibi responded today about this "deal." Needless to say it wasn't full of praise...... Iran should prepare to duck and cover....

Posted by: donna at July 12, 2015 01:10 PM (Bn6aD)

200 I'd suggest prayer while hoarding, ThunderB.

But that's just me.

Posted by: Sevens at July 12, 2015 01:10 PM (0HqNX)

201 I'd suggest prayer while hoarding, ThunderB.

But that's just me.

Posted by: Sevens at July 12, 2015 01:10 PM (0HqNX)

202 Luckily for us, Congress and the President will decide that we don't need to know the exact details of the deal. That way we won't have to worry about it and can just trust that they did a good job.

Posted by: Kevin at July 12, 2015 01:10 PM (/nWDw)

203 Actually, Obama and Kerry letting Iran nuke up is a brilliant idea, and here's why...

Posted by: Vox at July 12, 2015 01:11 PM (+rqeM)

204 I'm thinking it's time to short bacon futures.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 12, 2015 01:11 PM (xf0+b)

205 Big difference between Stalin and Obama: Obama didn't kill the generals when he purged them. It cost a lot of soviet lives not that Stalin gave a shit but we will.

Posted by: just saying at July 12, 2015 01:11 PM (wkuqO)

206 In honor of WW3 and my upcoming camping trip I proceeded down to the local Super Wal Mart today. Picked up a surprisingly good sleeping bag for $12 (made in the USA and everything) and a propane lantern for another $22.

Lantern is useless when shit gets sideways but the the sleeping bag is pretty good.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 12, 2015 01:11 PM (/3xoD)

207 My rage stroke level has hit critical mass. Don't think I can take much more "Historic."

Posted by: donna at July 12, 2015 01:04 PM

Don't forget that this is the work of the man whom one Mr Edward "Captain" Morrissey, proprietor of the fine webpage of prescient, hard-hitting commentary Hot Air has repeatedly admonished us to regard as Unimpeachable, because it would be Horribly Bad Optics to hold our First Nonwhite President, Mr Barack H. Obama accountable for his crimes, including his sanction of a treaty that will almost inevitably lead to nuclear war.

Since Ace holds Mr Morrissey in high regard, and regards invective-spewing, name-calling yahoos like me as mentally deficient, I'll let you all draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 12, 2015 01:12 PM (JaVx+)

208 >>> 193
Do you think Iran will build handicap ramps at their nuke sites? And handicap toilets? And handicap parking spots?

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 12, 2015 01:09 PM (qe1E5)

No, but we will have transsexual scientists working on the "Death to Tel-Aviv" Program..............JUST KIDDING!!

I LOVE that joke......

Posted by: Mullah-in-charge of Nukes at July 12, 2015 01:12 PM (2mJMN)

209 Now we get to watch Obama "sell" the Iran Deal the same way he sold Obamacare -- years and years of claiming that What Is, Isn't, and What Isn't, Is, and the reason it isn't working is Somebody Else's Fault, yours in fact.

Posted by: If LIVs Don't Know About It, Did It Happen? at July 12, 2015 01:12 PM (7u7u7)

210 194 Iran by this point was getting a nuke anyway. This was all about Obama trying to seem historic and having something foreign policy to chisel into Mt Rushmore when they carve away one or more of those hated white men to make room.

I used to laugh about Mt. Rushmore and obama.... Now not so much.. If they can dig up Confederate generals graves and take down their statues, why can't they do some "remodeling" of Mt. Rushmore?

Posted by: donna at July 12, 2015 01:13 PM (Bn6aD)

211 200 I'd suggest prayer while hoarding, ThunderB.

But that's just me.
Posted by: Sevens at July 12, 2015 01:10 PM (0HqNX)

I don't consider it hoarding when there is a time of plenty. It is saving. It is Sunday could be a time for prayer.

Posted by: just saying at July 12, 2015 01:13 PM (wkuqO)

212
Holy shit, I just remembered something awful.

Remember when Bush apologized for saying "Bring it on"? What a pussy. The Left and their media wore down Bush to a nub, which wasn't hard.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 12, 2015 01:13 PM (qe1E5)

213 I'm thinking it's time to short bacon futures.

Too late. I've already cornered the market.

Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at July 12, 2015 01:13 PM (Dwehj)

214 Also, do not assume they will hit what the aim for.

San Mateo or Hayward might be ground zero.
Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 01:10 PM (MQEz6)
--
Glen Burnie?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at July 12, 2015 01:13 PM (jR7Wy)

215 I assume the bombers are being fueled up and moved to the runway in Israel.

Posted by: Rich at July 12, 2015 01:14 PM (J2AJ8)

216 >>>There's not enough drugs in the world for me to come up with something like that type of idiocy. Millions (if not billions) of dead people? What kind of sick mind does it take to believe that and want to bring it about?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 12, 2015 01:10 PM (eEb+d)

Hi, there!

Posted by: Bill Nye, the "Death to Humans" Guy at July 12, 2015 01:14 PM (2mJMN)

217 Just wait until President Obama is out of office. MLB has gone out of its way to turn Jackie Robinson into a saint, with 42 retired on all teams and a special day, and constant reminders. And Jackie was the real deal: he was for real an amazing talent and human being.

They're gonna turn President Obama into Gandhi George Washington Einstein. We're going to be mandated five minutes worship for the guy by the time they're done. I can see hundreds of schools named after guys like Grover Cleveland and Calvin Coolidge getting renamed for President Obama. All those "commerce" and "market" streets: Obama boulevard. Inauguration day will probably be renamed President Barack Obama Memorial Oath Day. I wouldn't be surprised if courts and federal swearing in was mandated to be on his new biography written about his glorious days as president instead of the religious work of choice.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 12, 2015 01:14 PM (39g3+)

218 I know, I live near enough to San Francisco to get quite the sunburn...

Posted by: donna at July 12, 2015 01:08 PM (Bn6aD)

Why would SF be an Iranian target? Take out a tourist destination? Kick Google in the balls?

Having said that, nuking Dubuque would reduce the US to anarchy, as Chaos correctly pointed out. Hell, one vial of a CW agent at the Super Bowl would reduce the US to anarchy, I suspect.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 01:14 PM (oKE6c)

219 199 Bibi responded today about this "deal." Needless to say it wasn't full of praise...... Iran should prepare to duck and cover....

I hope PM Netanyahu is careful. We may have a security agreement in the Iran deal. I don't want to see our F-15's against Israeli F-15's over Baghdad.

Posted by: Agent J at July 12, 2015 01:14 PM (ueOgE)

220 I wonder how many will die this time around?

..... As long as THEIR families, children and loved ones are among the carnage, I'll count it as a wash

Posted by: trump at July 12, 2015 01:14 PM (EQcBC)

221 What's everyone worried about? We've gotten rid of the CBF. So peace in our time

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 12, 2015 01:14 PM (DiZBp)

222
The media said Bush's "tough talk" will create more terrorists.

They said Bush's "Cowboy diplomacy" will get Americans killed.

Like they give a shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 12, 2015 01:15 PM (qe1E5)

223 Rather than the flaming skull, this might be a more appropriate gif for the topic at hand:

http://tinyurl.com/o624rnb

or this one:

http://tinyurl.com/nhw92fc

Posted by: Country Singer at July 12, 2015 01:15 PM (nL0sw)

224 Mr. Scribbler, that's baiting. Such behavior will not be tolerated.

Any ideas how such like minded outcasts can meet up ?

Posted by: Sevens at July 12, 2015 01:15 PM (0HqNX)

225 **rubs hands together**

**starts salivating**

Posted by: the Asian countries waiting to negotiate on TPP at July 12, 2015 01:15 PM (+rqeM)

226 legacies, in the case of competent men, are not bad per se. Churchill on the eve of WW2 could fairly be concerned with that, certainly in the interwar period.

but Obama isn't.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at July 12, 2015 01:15 PM (sR0Zo)

227 I used to laugh about Mt. Rushmore and obama.... Now not so much.

I used to think it was probable. Now I think its a matter of betting on what day it takes place.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 12, 2015 01:15 PM (39g3+)

228 >>> 215 I assume the bombers are being fueled up and moved to the runway in Israel.
Posted by: Rich at July 12, 2015 01:14 PM (J2AJ

The ground-traffic around Ramat-David AFB must be pretty heavy, right now......

Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at July 12, 2015 01:16 PM (2mJMN)

229
who wants to start THRUSH with me?

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 12, 2015 01:16 PM (qe1E5)

230 Well when Isreal gets hit Iran will be obliterated and the Mossad has some work to do for those that enabled it.
Posted by: drunkinmesa at July 12, 2015 01:00 PM (FUKWF)
------
Given the nitwits he surrounds himself with, not much work.

Posted by: Operation wrath of SMOD at July 12, 2015 01:16 PM (F1Z8f)

231
or KAOS?

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 12, 2015 01:16 PM (qe1E5)

232 Save us, Jebi Wan Kenobi.

You're our only hope!

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 01:16 PM (MQEz6)

233 What's everyone worried about? We've gotten rid of the CBF. So peace in our time

And rainbows! Don't forget about the rainbows!

Posted by: LIVs at July 12, 2015 01:17 PM (Dwehj)

234 Big difference between Stalin and Obama: Obama
didn't kill the generals when he purged them. It cost a lot of soviet
lives not that Stalin gave a shit but we will.

Posted by: just saying at July 12, 2015 01:11 PM (wkuqO)

He might has well have. Getting rid of anyone in the military who isn't towing his diversify the military line. We'll get wiped out but at least we'll have crossdressers on the front lines

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 12, 2015 01:17 PM (DiZBp)

235 ...it was negotiated down to one bean each....

But it was a magic bean, so Kerry outwitted those stupid mullahs.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 01:17 PM (oKE6c)

236 Also, does this mean we can run this ad against the Dems now:

https://youtu.be/fbIfVEboAzg

Posted by: Country Singer at July 12, 2015 01:18 PM (nL0sw)

237 He might has well have. Getting rid of anyone in the
military who isn't towing his diversify the military line. We'll get
wiped out but at least we'll have crossdressers on the front lines

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 12, 2015 01:17 PM (DiZBp)
We might lose, but our troops will look fabulous.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 01:18 PM (oKE6c)

238
Of course the AP dispatch is ludicrous distortion, as noted, but in one more key respect too. It's not capping off a decade of "tough diplomacy" - it's a collapse ofa remarkably effective sanctions regime that took many years to erect and which was simply abandoned, disastrously and stupidly. Even alongside the other eye-popping self-inflicted calamities of the last few years, this is catastrophic.

And many herethink in terms of mushroom clouds, US cities in ruins, or Israeli-Iranian nuke exchanges. Possible of course but not very likely.

Iran's regime is extremely aggressive, yet extremely savvy and careful (compare and contrast with the Iraqi Ba'athist regime, in 100 words or less). Nuclear capability is the shield under which their ongoing and expanding aggressions can shelter and proceed. No need for mushroom clouds.

Think of North Korea's more zany and insane stunts (assassinating So. Korea's entire cabinet via bombing in a third capital in the 1980s, becoming a literal drug-running cartel state in the 90s). A future strategic gambleor terrorist incident sponsored by Tehran will have its enemies with sharply reduced options - deterred by Iran's nukes.

Nukes simply expand Tehran's range of options and changes the risk calculations for their myriad nefarious activities. A gigantic disaster all in itself, no detonations required. And if things DO go there, then the catastrophic circle will be completed.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 12, 2015 01:18 PM (QDnY+)

239 It will be just tough enough to make Iranian Nuclear Diplomacy the next President's problem.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 12, 2015 01:18 PM (aftfH)

240 We might lose, but our troops will look fabulous.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 01:18 PM (oKE6c)

We'll mince our way over our enemies

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 12, 2015 01:19 PM (DiZBp)

241 who wants to start THRUSH with me?

The biggest flaw with conservative bad guy groups in movies is that really, really rich conservatives aren't like Soros. They're like JD Rockefeller and Cornelius Vanderbilt. They don't try to change things, they just make themselves richer and more comfortable by taking advantage of how things are. They just concern themselves and expect everyone else to do the same.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 12, 2015 01:20 PM (39g3+)

242
I saw two Gary Johnson bumper stickers this weekend.

I'm also seeing a few Ben Carson signs on the roadways in various places. Homemade signs.

Today I drove along a blue Jeep with Maine plates, woman driver, with a sticker in the back window: Annoy A Liberal.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 12, 2015 01:20 PM (qe1E5)

243 I used to laugh about Mt. Rushmore and obama.... Now not so much.. If they can dig up Confederate generals graves and take down their statues, why can't they do some "remodeling" of Mt. Rushmore?

I'd me more than happy to go to prison or worse for trying to stop that.

Posted by: Infidel at July 12, 2015 01:20 PM (kDvjH)

244 We might lose, but our troops will look fabulous.

Maybe Caitlyn Jenner can design the new uniforms...

Posted by: donna at July 12, 2015 01:20 PM (Bn6aD)

245 211 ...

... a fair point. Like I've said, such things don't move me - but if it helps other like minded folks, I'm all in favor.

Posted by: Sevens at July 12, 2015 01:20 PM (0HqNX)

246 I woke up from a dream last night (actually happened) with a sudden realization the this (the things that are turning us into whatever it is we are being turned into) can't be fixed. It can't be fixed because it won't be and because the things that could fix it won't be implemented.

There is not one chance in a billion.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at July 12, 2015 01:20 PM (BZAd3)

247 We might lose, but our troops will look fabulous.

And they'll say all the right things under interrogation.

Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at July 12, 2015 01:20 PM (Dwehj)

248 We'll mince our way over our enemies

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 12, 2015 01:19 PM (DiZBp)
No more drilling. It'll be Prancercizing.

Well, there'll still be drilling, but ... in a different sense.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 01:20 PM (oKE6c)

249 " It will be just tough enough to make Iranian Nuclear Diplomacy the next President's problem."

Bingo. The next POTUS, GOP or Dem, will be forced to deal with this. It's shit bad regardless of party.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 12, 2015 01:21 PM (/3xoD)

250 If Obama gets to go up on Mt. Rushmore, I demand a monument too.

Hey, I know, the Crazy Horse monument isn't done yet, I bet they could make a few adjustments and use it for me.

Posted by: Secretariat of State Glue Factory at July 12, 2015 01:21 PM (+rqeM)

251 Nukes simply expand Tehran's range of options and changes the risk calculations for their myriad nefarious activities.

I don't hold out hope for enough sanity and insufficient religious zeal to restrain Iran from nuking Israel.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 12, 2015 01:21 PM (39g3+)

252 Iran: they will use the bomb. Their goal is destroy the world so the caliphate can rise or some such shit.

Saudi Arabia: I thought they were already trying to buy a nuke from Pakistan or something.

JEF: I don't see how giving Iran the bomb can be consider his legacy in a good way like he and Kerry believe. They will go down in history like hitler and Mussolini.

Shrillary: Her legacy is four dead pool and a few fallen countries.

The Left: just plain blind. They all have their fingers in their ears saying la,la,la I can't hear you. I'm mean ISIS and Iran have said we hate you and our goal is to destroy you yet the left keeps insisting that's not true, they don't really mean it . And they are all experts on islam when they have no fucking idea. THEY ARE TELLING US EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE YET THE LEFT WONT ACCEPT THE TRUTH. What is that called???

Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July 12, 2015 01:22 PM (xVgrA)

253 Posted by: rhomboid at July 12, 2015 01:18 PM (QDnY+)

No, you're absolutely right. Talking about getting nuked is kind of a rhetorical device.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 01:23 PM (oKE6c)

254 We might lose, but our troops will look fabulous.

And they'll say all the right things under interrogation.

Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at July 12, 2015 01:20 PM (Dwehj)

The 1st Bruce Jenner division will not give up even as they get tossed off of buildings

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 12, 2015 01:23 PM (DiZBp)

255 Well, there'll still be drilling, but ... in a different sense.

So like the depiction of the Canadian Army in Brain Candy then.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 12, 2015 01:23 PM (39g3+)

256 I've seen lots of Gadsden flags on bumpers, but there's usually a bird-ball-and-anchor and/or NRA sticker too, so people might not mess with their cars.

I'd love to put something on my car but don't want SJWs to f*ck with my transportation when things get ugly.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at July 12, 2015 01:23 PM (jR7Wy)

257 I suppose that we should all take comfort in knowing that if Iran does get a bomb, there will never be a shortage of better ideas to thwart them.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at July 12, 2015 01:24 PM (BZAd3)

258
Obama has just guaranteed the deaths of thousands if not millions.

FK you, Obama!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 12, 2015 01:24 PM (iQIUe)

259 Mr. Scribbler, that's baiting. Such behavior will not be tolerated.
Any ideas how such like minded outcasts can meet up ?

Posted by: Sevens at July 12, 2015 01:15 PM

I am merely reporting facts, sir. And saying that I will post comments here -- when I do -- in a quiet, restrained, respectful manner in keeping with Ace's expressed desire (as of the other evening) to Be Respectful and compromise with those with whom we disagree and present a common front to political opponents.

I have not yet figured out what purpose is served by dealing away one's beliefs -- the nature of political compromise is that, unless you have power to make the rules, you have to abandon whatever the Majority or the bosses choose to dislike -- but will admit my ideas of supporting the Constitution and obeying both the stature laws and the laws of common decency have not caught on in Washington D.C. At all.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 12, 2015 01:24 PM (JaVx+)

260
Obama = Satan Incanate

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 12, 2015 01:24 PM (iQIUe)

261 You have to break a few eggs to make a legacy.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 12, 2015 01:24 PM (aftfH)

262 Iran may get the bomb, but at least we won't be embarrassed by those awful confederate battle flags.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at July 12, 2015 01:25 PM (BZAd3)

263 I don't see how giving Iran the bomb can be consider his legacy in a good way like he and Kerry believe. They will go down in history like hitler and Mussolini.

In a sane world, with a remotely objective press and academia? Sure. But in this one? It will be hailed as genius and considered a heroic work of masterful "smart diplomacy" that staved off disaster caused by Bush's cowboy recklessness.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 12, 2015 01:25 PM (39g3+)

264 "Saudi Arabia: I thought they were already trying to buy a nuke from Pakistan or something. "

Word was that they'd helped finance the Paki nuke program in the 70s and thus had sorta "paid forward" their access to one should they need it. If Iran gets one, the Saudis will too. Nuclearizing the Gulf if Barry's plan's ultimate outcome.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 12, 2015 01:25 PM (/3xoD)

265 "Just wait until President Obama is out of office. MLB has gone out of
its way to turn Jackie Robinson into a saint, with 42 retired on all
teams and a special day, and constant reminders. And Jackie was the
real deal: he was for real an amazing talent and human being.
"

From what I've seen at children elementary school, American history is little more than the achievements of Martin Luther King JR, George Washington Carver and of course, some mention of Jackie Robinson. The only president discussed is Abraham Lincoln because something about slavery. That is not much of an exaggeration.

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at July 12, 2015 01:26 PM (1BQGO)

266 Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and other congressional leaders
expressed doubts Sunday about a historic agreement with Iran to address
that country's nuclear program, predicting President Barack Obama could
face hurdles in Congress if negotiators reach a final deal.

I'm sure the Vichy Republicans will cave. And even if they don't Barry will ignore them any way. Who needs Congress when we have a god-emperor?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 12, 2015 01:26 PM (DiZBp)

267 >>> And they'll say all the right things under interrogation.
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at July 12, 2015 01:20 PM (Dwehj)

Heard in a future interrogation of American Military:

"I think crossdressers in the USMC is SO cool! I hate the Confederate Battle-Flag!! I hate my whiteness and eschew #WhitePrivilege!! Death to Capitalism!! President 0Bama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life!!"

Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at July 12, 2015 01:26 PM (2mJMN)

268 ValJar got exactly what she wanted. Ratfaced bitch pulled all the strings for this to happen. Osuckage and Glue Factory were just following orders.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at July 12, 2015 01:27 PM (ucDmr)

269 I don't want to see our F-15's against Israeli F-15's over Baghdad.

That would be bad. I don't know F-15's but the Israeli F-16's are better than ours.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at July 12, 2015 01:27 PM (zauWW)

270 Religious fanatics with nuke bombs, what could go wrong?

Posted by: just saying at July 12, 2015 01:27 PM (wkuqO)

271 That's "4 dead people" not dead pool.

Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July 12, 2015 01:27 PM (xVgrA)

272 "You have to break a few eggs to make a legacy."

Or get a couple million people killed. Depends on the press involved.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 12, 2015 01:27 PM (/3xoD)

273
Chris Taylor, absolutely understand what you're saying. My main point is that the disaster in terms of expanded/protected Iranian options for mischief is guaranteed, but an actual nuclear event or exchange is less certain.

States pursue nukes for varying reasons, obviously. Iran's case is a very clear one of offense, not defense. But that doesn't mean expecting to *use* the nukes offensively. Iranian behavior the last two decades gives me no reason to think they won't use the nuke in their back pocket carefully, and intelligently, as a deterrent and umbrella for their ongoing aggressions, which are central to their policy.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 12, 2015 01:27 PM (QDnY+)

274 I'm sure the Vichy Republicans will cave.

Nary a peep shall be heard in those hallowed halls...

Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at July 12, 2015 01:28 PM (Dwehj)

275 214
Also, do not assume they will hit what the aim for.

San Mateo or Hayward might be ground zero.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 01:10 PM (MQEz6)

--

Glen Burnie?

I hope not. DC should be far enough away, depending on the prevailing winds. Glen Burnie? That'll probably start to have non optimal effect on me and mine.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 12, 2015 01:28 PM (WvS3w)

276 Scribbler ...

... I think, in the future, I'll just get the gear ready and scout the horizon for trouble.

... And let you do the talking. That was pretty good.

Posted by: Sevens at July 12, 2015 01:28 PM (0HqNX)

277 Look on the bright side people. The deal may suck but at least Kerry will get a Nobel Peace Prize out of this.

Posted by: Motorhead at July 12, 2015 01:28 PM (jc4t8)

278 277 Look on the bright side people. The deal may suck but at least Kerry will get a Nobel Peace Prize out of this.

Me too, Me too!!!!

Barrack...

Posted by: donna at July 12, 2015 01:29 PM (Bn6aD)

279 i would like to blame Obama, but If the Republican Party had ever really wanted to stop His ideological makeover they could have.

They helped this. from obamacare to Syria, Libya. They have control over the purse yet... nada so i can only assume they are on board, why i don't know.

Posted by: willow at July 12, 2015 01:29 PM (nqBYe)

280 Thanks GOPe. This will not end well.

Posted by: CDR M at July 12, 2015 01:29 PM (TWXpK)

281 The best case scenario is nukes give Iran a shield behind which they can do more evil.

Not much of a best case.

Iranian nukes mean nuclear proliferation in the ME.

That increases the chance they get used.

What if ISIS gets one?

Crazy?

How about five years ago thinking Ramadi would fall to a thing called ISIS?

This shit has to be stopped now.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 01:29 PM (MQEz6)

282 I'd love to put something on my car but don't want SJWs to f*ck with my transportation when things get ugly.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at July 12, 2015 01:23 PM (jR7Wy)

Easy: put the shit on their cars.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 01:29 PM (oKE6c)

283 Don't forget that this is the work of the man whom one Mr Edward "Captain" Morrissey, proprietor of the fine webpage of prescient, hard-hitting commentary Hot Air has repeatedly admonished us to regard as Unimpeachable
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 12, 2015 01:12 PM (JaVx+)

I checked in to that site the other day after more than a year and saw that Captain Squish Morrissey was still at it. He's not capable of writing a piece without either a qualifying "on one hand, on the other" moral equivalence or some schoolmarmish admonishment against conservatives. I was reminded of how much I hated that place with all their "uh ohs" and other little annoying bait-click alarums.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 12, 2015 01:29 PM (s/yC1)

284 >>> Well, there'll still be drilling, but ... in a different sense.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 01:20 PM (oKE6c)

Go on......

Posted by: Dan Savage, Crusher of Christians at July 12, 2015 01:29 PM (2mJMN)

285 **eyes Iran**

Who's up for a little Dolphin rape???

Posted by: the Israeli Navy at July 12, 2015 01:29 PM (+rqeM)

286 "I'm sure the Vichy Republicans will cave. And even if they don't Barry will ignore them any way. Who needs Congress when we have a god-emperor?"

They tried to stop it but 35 Dem Senators voted for it, so.

What could they do?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 12, 2015 01:29 PM (/3xoD)

287 Well, I sure hope Obama talks to the folks at ESPN because they potentially have the best answers, -- so we know whose ass to kick!

Posted by: Fritz at July 12, 2015 01:29 PM (o/UmK)

288 We all get tickets to failure theater, when the cowardly GOP votes against this treaty but, sadly, it passes, instead of killing the treaty which might put them in conflict with the president.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 12, 2015 01:29 PM (iO+/z)

289 I dunno. You give a religious nutcase what he thinks is the fist of God, you expect him to use it. I would rather he didn't for the sake of Tel Aviv, but in a way it would solve a lot of problems when Israel retaliates and turns Iran into a parking lot.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 12, 2015 01:30 PM (39g3+)

290 What is that called???

Many things, all bad.

I cannot fathom the shallowness of intellect that continues to ignore the numerous threats from our enemies. "We're not at war with ______." Like that's supposed to make them feel all better and shit and not want to hurt us anymore. That's how little children think.

They are at war with us and have been for decades.

Decades.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 12, 2015 01:31 PM (eEb+d)

291 VDH points out the other elements of Obama's legacy:

http://tinyurl.com/pfuajhd

Appeasement, staggering debt, racial animosity.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at July 12, 2015 01:31 PM (BZAd3)

292 San Mateo or Hayward might be ground zero.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 01:10 PM (MQEz6)

--

Glen Burnie?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at July 12, 2015 01:13 PM (jR7Wy)

Hayward would be no great loss unless they caught a piece of Castro Vally.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 12, 2015 01:31 PM (GpgJl)

293 Do you think Saudi Arabia and Israel will team up? Spit balling, but stranger things have happened.

====

dunno if ansered, but they have been talking for awhile now. just recently made public by both.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at July 12, 2015 01:31 PM (hwsLj)

294 We can afford to lose a city or two -- Obama

So would Obama respond? He would lie again and tell us the Pentagon has no idea who did this deed. He might use it as an excuse to lock the country down but I don't see our enemies fearing much.

Posted by: just saying at July 12, 2015 01:32 PM (wkuqO)

295 Glen Burnie?

I hope not. DC should be far enough away, depending on the prevailing winds. Glen Burnie? That'll probably start to have non optimal effect on me and mine.
Posted by: Weirddave at July 12, 2015 01:28 PM (WvS3w)
---

Yeah, I was just trying to inject a little levity. Like nuking Hamtramck.

Which would be worse immediately, the threat of fallout or the snarled traffic and people trying desperately to leave the area?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at July 12, 2015 01:32 PM (jR7Wy)

296 From what I've seen at children elementary school,
American history is little more than the achievements of Martin Luther
King JR, George Washington Carver and of course, some mention of Jackie
Robinson. The only president discussed is Abraham Lincoln because
something about slavery. That is not much of an exaggeration.

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at July 12, 2015 01:26 PM (1BQGO)
The George Washington Carver thing is kind of pathetic, IMO. Peanut butter? Really? We've got calculus, quantum mechanics, transistors, pharmaceuticals ... they've got ... peanut butter?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 01:33 PM (oKE6c)

297 And let you do the talking. That was pretty good.

Posted by: Sevens at July 12, 2015 01:28 PM

I prefer the old, mentally deranged me. But I will send him out to pasture (at least for the moment) in the name of Unity and Reasoned Discourse. And, I suppose, avoiding the banhammer at times like this, when I get enraged that our politically correct, "reasonable" "optics"-worshiping country has opened the door -- wide -- to war, economic collapse and tyranny.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 12, 2015 01:33 PM (JaVx+)

298 In fairness to George Washington Carver, inventing the peanut was no small feat.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 12, 2015 01:33 PM (aftfH)

299 Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and other congressional leaders expressed doubts Sunday about a historic agreement with Iran to address that country's nuclear program, predicting President Barack Obama could face hurdles in Congress if negotiators reach a final deal.

LOL.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Barky sidestep any treaty difficulties and slide this Iran deal through as "trade" and part of his new powers under Trade Promotion Super-Authority.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 12, 2015 01:34 PM (MYSVz)

300 The only thing that tempers this disaster is that is that Muslims always screw things up in the end. Okay, the Persians are not the Arabs--who are royal fuck-ups all--but they are Muslims. They'll overreach. Or the military will topple the mullahs. We'll survive Obama is only because God takes care of babies and drunks. And babies and drunks are pretty much the population of the US today.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 12, 2015 01:34 PM (tjGZE)

301 President Obama is unimpeachable. Not because he's somehow magically immune, but because he's considered a black man. He could literally kill and eat a 4 year old girl on live national TV and people would line up to defend his actions and explain it away. He will never, ever pay a price in this world for what he does. He has identity group immunity.

And even if he didn't, the GOP elite is convinced that impeachment hearings are ballot box poison and will not ever come close to it again in our lifetimes. Never mind that in 2 years after the last hearings their party got the white house then led the greatest Republican takeover of federal government in 50 years. They are convinced it would destroy them.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 12, 2015 01:34 PM (39g3+)

302 They tried to stop it but 35 Dem Senators voted for it, so.

What could they do?

I believe it's known in Washington as 'calling in your markers'.

Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at July 12, 2015 01:34 PM (Dwehj)

303 ... 294.

No .. He would not retaliate. And yes, he would employ martial law.

Posted by: Sevens at July 12, 2015 01:34 PM (0HqNX)

304 "I think crossdressers in the USMC is SO cool! I hate the Confederate Battle-Flag!! I hate my whiteness and eschew #WhitePrivilege!! Death to Capitalism!! President 0Bama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life!!"

You forgot, "Brawndo! It has electrolytes!"

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 12, 2015 01:35 PM (eEb+d)

305 These may be hope yet. Getting everybody all worked up about a deal and then pulling the plug would be an excellent way to humiliate Barky and Horseface. The Iranians may be just having a little laugh.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 12, 2015 01:35 PM (LImiJ)

306 " when I get enraged that our politically correct, "reasonable" "optics"-worshiping country has opened the door -- wide -- to war, economic collapse and tyranny."

Why, it's almost like the political bodies representing this country aren't concerned with protecting its border and citizens.

How queer.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 12, 2015 01:35 PM (/3xoD)

307 ...but of course, this is not yet the proverbial hill to die on for the GOPe. That hill doesn't exist.

Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at July 12, 2015 01:35 PM (Dwehj)

308 Time to maybe brush off the CD manuals.
I think if you clean any radioactive dust off of canned goods and store them in a sealed container they should be okay. Guess that applies to humans.

Let me say again that if you fashion a protective suit from trash bags and duct tape, use the hefty mil bags. Those cheap bags tear too easy.
Hope those nightmares I had as a kid during the Cuban Missile Crisis don't come true.

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at July 12, 2015 01:36 PM (uPxUo)

309 294--if God forbid we are hit and lose a city or two and Obama doesn't respond, he'd be taken out. Literally.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 12, 2015 01:36 PM (tjGZE)

310 I wish there was a sticker that said "complaisant" ,in the style of those coexist ones, then they should be put over every JEF and Shillary sticker to start.

Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July 12, 2015 01:36 PM (xVgrA)

311
Side issue: WTFF with this "legacy" crap? I recall it began in the Clinton years, this silly idea of a "legacy" just being some event or project with a name on it, not the actual results or impact on the world.

Of course Clinton (who was a complete disaster as president, yet is not seen that way even by his opponents, a mystery there too) was obsessed with this vapid, embarrassing dumbed-down concept of "legacy".

Suppose it's just another aspect of the dumbing-down of our civic culture, to the cretinous level it has now. But I recall several of us, way back then, watching the Clinton train-wreck up close, puzzling over this magical, novel concept of a "legacy" simply being a law passed, or a treaty signed (Oslo etc), not the actual results of said action.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 12, 2015 01:37 PM (QDnY+)

312 If a city got nuked in the USA I'm not really sure what would happen. Certainly President Obama would get on TV, blame Republicans, call for some idea he's wanted a long time but hasn't had success with like gun control, and say blame is shared by both sides so we have to get along and not be racist. That's predictable as the sun rising.

But what would the rest of the country do? Aside from the panicked looting in big cities? I really do not know.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 12, 2015 01:37 PM (39g3+)

313 "159
I wonder if my canned food jars will survive a nuk blast fallout. I
don't live anywhere near a big city. Probably not, the radiation would
penetrate all I suppose.

Posted by: Infidel at July 12, 2015 01:00 PM (kDvjH)"

Nuclear fallout is the ash from a burned up city. It releases Alpha and Beta particles which can be stopped by the walls, windows and roof of your house and Gamma rays which will go through several feet of dirt. The only real problem with Alpha and Beta radiation is if you breath in the dust or eat the dust on your food. Your canned food jars are safe until you open them.

The good news about nuclear fallout is that the most radioactive stuff decays the fastest. The level of radioactivity drops really quickly. If you can stay inside with the cracks around your doors and windows taped up for two weeks, you will probably be OK with respect to radioactivity.

As for the radioactive mutant zombies, that is a different story.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at July 12, 2015 01:37 PM (QHgTq)

314 252
JEF: I don't see how giving Iran the bomb can be consider his legacy in a good way like he and Kerry believe. They will go down in history like hitler and Mussolini.

Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July 12, 2015 01:22 PM (xVgrA)

Hitler and Mussolini didn't think they would go down in history quite the way they did.

Posted by: rickl at July 12, 2015 01:37 PM (sdi6R)

315 "I believe it's known in Washington as 'calling in your markers'. "

I'm just telegraphing their next bullshit excuse for letting bad shit happen.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 12, 2015 01:37 PM (/3xoD)

316 We can afford to lose a city or two -- Obama

_____________

Chicago and DC leap to mind.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 01:37 PM (oKE6c)

317 >>>...but of course, this is not yet the proverbial hill to die on for the GOPe. That hill doesn't exist.<<<

That Donald Trump is a racist and poopy-headed tycoon!

Posted by: Fritz at July 12, 2015 01:38 PM (o/UmK)

318 They are at war with us and have been for decades.

Decades.

Centuries.

Posted by: Infidel at July 12, 2015 01:38 PM (kDvjH)

319 Speaking of bumper stickers I saw a good one the other day... It was on the front bumper and it said "Run, Hillary, Run."

Posted by: donna at July 12, 2015 01:39 PM (Bn6aD)

320 BTW, if you get interested in growing sweet potatoes, you might be surprised to learn that GWC's writings are still considered the definitive source.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 12, 2015 01:39 PM (aftfH)

321 "I wouldn't be surprised to see Barky sidestep any treaty difficulties"

Difficulties? Are there enough Democrat hawks in the Senate to create difficulties?
I don't think so.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 12, 2015 01:39 PM (dItuC)

322 293 Do you think Saudi Arabia and Israel will team up?
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at July 12, 2015 01:31 PM (hwsLj)

Yes, I do.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 12, 2015 01:40 PM (s/yC1)

323 The mullahs are a largely secular group of guys from the neighborhood ...

Posted by: King Admiral emperor Barky at July 12, 2015 01:40 PM (MYSVz)

324 Yeah, as I understand, sealed/canned items will be okay assuming they aren't opened and exposed to radiation.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 12, 2015 01:40 PM (/3xoD)

325 Why, it's almost like the political bodies representing this country aren't concerned with protecting its border and citizens.
How queer.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 12, 2015 01:35 PM

Indeed. In my old-fashioned view -- born of '50s-era Civics classes, books, and speeches by Esteemed Political Persons of the time, and all that claptrap took hold in my deranged brain -- the actions of certain persons in the Nation's Capitol would be regarded as only slightly more illegal and punishable than the deeds of the Rosenbergs.

Now, not so much.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 12, 2015 01:41 PM (JaVx+)

326 I don't want to see our F-15's against Israeli F-15's over Baghdad.

That would be bad. I don't know F-15's but the Israeli F-16's are better than ours.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at July 12, 2015 01:27 PM (zauWW)

>>>> How would that be bad? I'd say if it came to that, any troops that rose to fly to defend Iran would be on the wrong side

Posted by: trump at July 12, 2015 01:41 PM (EQcBC)

327 I don't want to see our F-15's against Israeli F-15's over Baghdad.

That would be bad. I don't know F-15's but the Israeli F-16's are better than ours.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at July 12, 2015 01:27 PM (zauWW)

>>>> How would that be bad? I'd say if it came to that, any troops that rose to fly to defend Iran would be on the wrong side

Posted by: trump at July 12, 2015 01:41 PM (EQcBC)

328 The good news about nuclear fallout is that the most
radioactive stuff decays the fastest.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at July 12, 2015 01:37 PM (QHgTq)

Yep, pretty much by definition. Long half-life ~ low specific activity.
I used to do a lecture demonstration on the various particles and emissions. Alpha particles are easily stopped by a piece of paper. Beta particles take several layers of aluminum foil.
Gamma rays (forgotten the source) took several lead bricks.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 01:41 PM (oKE6c)

329 I'm just telegraphing their next bullshit excuse for letting bad shit happen.

Gotcha. Responded before I caught the sarc.

Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at July 12, 2015 01:41 PM (Dwehj)

330 Do you think Saudi Arabia and Israel will team up?

Not so much team up as have a common enemy. They'd never really show any solidarity, but they would attack in different ways the same target if need be. Unless there's a fundamental shift in Saudi politics, which is very likely given the age of the king and his likely heirs. Some of those princes are pretty radicalized.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 12, 2015 01:41 PM (39g3+)

331 "That Donald Trump is a racist and poopy-headed tycoon!"

Monday headline at CNN and the NYT.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 12, 2015 01:41 PM (/3xoD)

332 Yet ... There's an entire wing of Secret Service agents that will eat a bullet for Barry right now.

Think on that ...

Posted by: Sevens at July 12, 2015 01:43 PM (0HqNX)

333 the actions of certain persons in the Nation's Capitol would be regarded as only slightly more illegal and punishable than the deeds of the Rosenbergs.

Just 30 years ago, having and speaking the policies of the present Democratic Party guaranteed a landslide loss. Just ask Dukakis and Mondale.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 12, 2015 01:44 PM (39g3+)

334 We can afford to lose a city or two -- Obama

What would happen if a city got (God forbid) vaporized? The MFM would ignore it or blame it on conservatives?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 12, 2015 01:44 PM (DiZBp)

335 Doesn't Bentonite clay have some applications for radiation exposure?

Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July 12, 2015 01:44 PM (xVgrA)

336 335 Doesn't Bentonite clay have some applications for radiation exposure?
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July 12, 2015 01:44 PM (xVgrA)

Probably just for sucking up radionuclides. Think "kitty litter."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 01:45 PM (oKE6c)

337 nood

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 12, 2015 01:46 PM (GpgJl)

338 Our modern politicians seek titles.

A legacy is a kind of title.

Recently, Carly Fiorina was interviewed by Katie Couric and in that interview Couric listed Hillary Clinton's acomplishments: Senator, Sec State, First Lady.

Carly responded that those were titles, not acomplishments.

Right there you see the nature of our problem. Our leaders pursue the wrong things.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 01:47 PM (MQEz6)

339 I would think bentonite would be a good insulator. It's not completely water-tight but close. Seems like that would be good for irradiation.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 12, 2015 01:47 PM (/3xoD)

340 Side issue: WTFF with this "legacy" crap? I recall it began in the
Clinton years, this silly idea of a "legacy" just being some event or
project with a name on it, not the actual results or impact on the
world.

Of course Clinton (who was a complete disaster as
president, yet is not seen that way even by his opponents, a mystery
there too) was obsessed with this vapid, embarrassing dumbed-down
concept of "legacy".

Suppose it's just another aspect of the
dumbing-down of our civic culture, to the cretinous level it has now.
But I recall several of us, way back then, watching the Clinton
train-wreck up close, puzzling over this magical, novel concept of a
"legacy" simply being a law passed, or a treaty signed (Oslo etc), not
the actual results of said action.

Legacy is what the incompetent obsess about because they lack accomplishment.

Competent people rarely worry much about "legacy" because they know that they have acomplishments.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 12, 2015 01:47 PM (WvS3w)

341
C. Taylor, exactamundo - in fact you don't have to go back 30 years to find what are today commonplace Dem atrocities being rejected by super-majorities, nationally. Hell, as we type today, just two prominent issues (O-care, illegal immigration) produces similar poll results, and would produce similar *electoral* results, in most of the country (heck, didn't OREGON of all places just have a referendum passed preventing illegals getting DLs, or something? that's an indicator right there).

But as we all see and lament here daily, there seems to be little link between the electorate's desires and the ruling class/regime's behavior, on issue after issue. The system is broken in that very fundamental sense.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 12, 2015 01:47 PM (QDnY+)

342 336 Probably just for sucking up radionuclides. Think "kitty litter."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 01:45 PM (oKE6c)

Actually kitty liter is exactly what is used for soaking up accidental spills.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 12, 2015 01:48 PM (GpgJl)

343 In fairness to George Washington Carver, inventing the peanut was no small feat.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 12, 2015 01:33 PM (aftfH)

The SAWs will destroy him as an "Uncle Tom" because peanut allergies.

Posted by: Country Singer at July 12, 2015 01:48 PM (nL0sw)

344 China is watching us being distracted and Putin is making Obama more flexible.

Posted by: just saying at July 12, 2015 01:48 PM (wkuqO)

345
All of you are correct re "legacy" - I just think it is a glaring indicator of the cretinization of our civic culture, led by the press of course.

The sheeple (I am obliged to repeat for the zillionth time, this incl. *especially* the "educated" urban/coastal/NPR types) have just sat there and accepted absurdity after absurdity. Among them, that simply signing a piece of paper, or passing a law, constitutes establishing a "legacy". Nothing about results, impact, actual reality.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 12, 2015 01:50 PM (QDnY+)

346 Prepare for unforeseen consequences.

Posted by: Chaos at July 12, 2015 01:51 PM (U0SEh)

347 My prediction in 2008: The Kenyan's goal is to reduce the power and influence of the US and Israel.

How can a rube like me know more than the professional political class? I seriously don't get it.

Posted by: pam at July 12, 2015 01:52 PM (EAZ7y)

348 Actually kitty liter is exactly what is used for soaking up accidental spills.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 12, 2015 01:48 PM (GpgJl)

Yep. That's why I mentioned it. Few people know what bentonite is, but everybody knows what kitty litter is.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 01:53 PM (oKE6c)

349 "281
The best case scenario is nukes give Iran a shield behind which they can do more evil.

Not much of a best case.

Iranian nukes mean nuclear proliferation in the ME.

That increases the chance they get used.

What if ISIS gets one?

Crazy?

How about five years ago thinking Ramadi would fall to a thing called ISIS?

This shit has to be stopped now.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 01:29 PM (MQEz6)"

This shit had to be stopped in 2012 by voting President Supergenius out of office. What we are seeing now is the inevitable result of than not happening. It was as predictable as the days on a calender.

Ace ought to put up a link to buy gas masks on the side bar so that if you buy some for your family he will get a cut. It would be good if Ace had a pied a terre outside of New York City and Amazon bucks might help him come up with a down payment.

Hey, I have really bad hay fever and I wear one of those Israeli gas masks while mowing the lawn. It makes a big difference. After mowing the lawn I get undressed and take off the gas mask last before jumping in the shower to wash off all the pollen. The fact that a gas mask will protect you from breathing in fallout dust in the event of a nuclear explosion is just coincidence.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at July 12, 2015 01:57 PM (QHgTq)

350 37 million died in WWI. 80 million died in WWII. I wonder how many will die this time around?

Math says we are overdue for a war with a nine digit body count.

I will be surprised if the survivors don't ultimately count ten.

Posted by: Methos at July 12, 2015 01:57 PM (ZbV+0)

351 Yeah, as I understand, sealed/canned items will be okay assuming they aren't opened and exposed to radiation.

Ask the old man in the cave.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 12, 2015 01:58 PM (W5DcG)

352
Oh - and weirddave, spot on about these being children playing on an adult world stage. Many people fling insulting adjectives at many Dems/libs because they hate their policies and "ideas" (rightly so), but in this case there really *IS* a question of intellect and character.

You could gather up every cabinet member (most deputies, too) and major agency head, and not have a single person a serious administration would ever consider putting in an important job. Ash Carter's no dummy, technically, he's just you're typical policy and strategy lightweight, reached his Peter level as a dep-asst SecDef, probably. FBI head is not stupid, either, though he's got a pretty simplistic and self-righteous concept of constitutional matters. And the senior staff? Ha. Exclusively Beltway lightweights, hacks, mediocrities.

Even the political side is pathetic. But as they run in an empty field (the GOP essentially offers no serious opposition), with a dumbed-down electorate and a massive propaganda apparatus promoting/masking/distorting every move as needed (press/academia/pop culture), they ..... win!

Posted by: rhomboid at July 12, 2015 01:58 PM (QDnY+)

353 #77: Odds are the House of Saud has long since arranged the purchase of an item or two from Dimona.

Posted by: Sandstorm Williams at July 12, 2015 02:01 PM (ybzJi)

354 Yep, pretty much by definition. Long half-life ~ low specific activity.
I used to do a lecture demonstration on the various particles and emissions. Alpha particles are easily stopped by a piece of paper. Beta particles take several layers of aluminum foil.
Gamma rays (forgotten the source) took several lead bricks.

------------

That's correct.

Regarding how much time, the estimated time needed to spend indoors to avoid the radiation is around 96 hours, IIRC. I seem to remember hearing/reading that somewhere in my distant past and I do remember reading a column by Derbyshire that said this too. Of course, how close one is to the blast and where the fallout hits in intensity matter too, so it could be up to two weeks.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the trans-Wookie Original at July 12, 2015 02:04 PM (JUdR1)

355 From ZeroHedge, so take it for what it's worth:
14 seconds ago
Deal failures are contagious: IRAN'S ZARIF SAYS THERE WILL BE NO ANNOUNCEMENT ON SUNDAY OF NUCLEAR DEAL BETWEEN IRAN AND MAJOR POWERS

Posted by: Chaos at July 12, 2015 02:08 PM (U0SEh)

356 354
Of course, how close one is to the blast and where the fallout hits in intensity matter too, so it could be up to two weeks.
Posted by: Sasquatch, the trans-Wookie Original at July 12, 2015 02:04 PM (JUdR1)

I remember reading about fallout shelters when I was a kid, and the rule of thumb seemed to be to plan to stay in a shelter for up to two weeks.

A lot depends on the wind speed and direction. In some cases, you could be 20 miles from an explosion and the wind could carry the fallout past you and drop it on someone 50 miles away.

Posted by: rickl at July 12, 2015 02:09 PM (sdi6R)

357 I was thinking about the bentonite in terms of internal application. Doesn't bentonite absorb the radiation internally? I thought I read somewhere that it was taken internally in the case of accidental radiation exposure.

Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July 12, 2015 02:10 PM (xVgrA)

358 If a city got nuked in the USA I'm not really sure what would happen.

TFG's wet dream: martial law nationwide.

I believe if he did that, we'd see him smoke a cigarette on TV with his hooves kicked up on the Resolute Desk while laughing at us.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 12, 2015 02:13 PM (eEb+d)

359 37 million died in WWI. 80 million died in WWII. I wonder how many will die this time around?

Just you, of a coronary.

Posted by: carlito at July 12, 2015 02:14 PM (f/+XK)

360 Obligatory:

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

Posted by: rickl at July 12, 2015 02:17 PM (sdi6R)

361 37 million died in WWI. 80 million died in WWII. I wonder how many will die this time around?

And they plan to CUT the US Army by 40,000 next year....

/facepalm

Posted by: BB Wolf at July 12, 2015 11:30 AM (qh617)

That's just because most of the U.S. casualties will be civilians anyway. The war won't last long enough to deploy. Not that any units that try to deploy would last long enough to get anywhere. WW III will be a war of sheer destruction, not conquest.

Also, tritium isn't the trigger for hydrogen bombs, it's the fuel. Triggers (aside from being a fission bomb on its own) contain beryllium, because it readily generates free neutrons. About 60% of a hydrogen bomb yield comes from the depleted uranium tamper, since the energy level of the fusion-generated neutrons from the D-T reaction are just perfect for fast fissioning U-238.

Read "Dark Sun" by Richard Rhoades for a fascinating description of the development of the H bomb (and a frustrating discussion of the political games that got us here).

Posted by: Advo at July 12, 2015 02:17 PM (7hUS8)

362 I most sincerely hope that there is one last honorable person in this Administration who will roll up this fvcking "treaty" and shove it right up Obama's ass.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 12, 2015 12:19 PM (+5g1j)

Pretty sure that "honorable" was not on the list of selection criteria for anyone in the Obama administration.

Aside: it's socked in here, and dark. Wind is picking up, and I heard thunder. Looks like there may be a storm here. Calgary got over an inch of rain in a few hours last night, and some underpasses were flooded. Maybe that system is working its way here. We need rain, in fact. And my own place is on high ground, no risk of flooding.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 12, 2015 02:25 PM (EyTGL)

363 I remember reading about fallout shelters when I was a kid, and the rule of thumb seemed to be to plan to stay in a shelter for up to two weeks.

A lot depends on the wind speed and direction. In some cases, you could be 20 miles from an explosion and the wind could carry the fallout past you and drop it on someone 50 miles away.

---------------

You're not wrong, rickl; it just depends on where one is with regard to the fallout and how much of it lands in the area. It can be as short as four days but it can go up to several weeks, too.

http://tinyurl.com/lqyzgkw

How long can I survive in an underground bomb shelter?

Survival will depend on a number of things including distance to ground zero and basic supplies. Generally, you will need to stay sheltered at least 4 days. The closer you are to the detonation, the higher the levels of radioactive fallout will be. Also, since the radioactivity begins dropping soon after detonation, your close proximity means you will have more radiation over time when compared to locations down range who may not start receiving fallout for several hours. In short, you will begin receiving fallout which is more lethal than the reduced amount delivered a hour down range from you. Therefore, you could expect to have to remain sheltered for several weeks if you are within a few miles of ground zero. Regardless of distance, one could survive in a well constructed underground bomb shelter for months assuming enough supplies and circulating air is available.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the trans-Wookie Original at July 12, 2015 02:25 PM (JUdR1)

364 I think he should stick to illegal immigration for now. That topic is heating up, and he should continue beating on it for a while to extract maximum mileage from it. The Iran sell out is a huge deal, but not ripe for the LIVs yet. Better to focus fire on one target long enough to destroy it before moving on. If he drops illegal immigration now, before others take it up, the issue will submerge. The Democrats and Vichy Republicans sigh in relief, and The Donald won't be able to revive it later.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:36 PM (oKE6c)

Good counsel. Trump knows he's over the target, because he's taking flak. Keep it up.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 12, 2015 02:31 PM (EyTGL)

365 Yeah. I was pretty alarmed, and totally serious that he should call the intelligence services. The next PI they approached might not put it all together.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 12, 2015 12:48 PM (oKE6c)

In retrospect, perhaps it would have been better to take the guy on, and let the CIA know what's happening. They might have been able to better monitor his network. And if the CIA showed no interest, at least you could make an effort to sabotage his learning.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 12, 2015 02:38 PM (EyTGL)

366 The solution now would be to give the Saudis nukes too. Proliferation prevents conventional war.

Posted by: kartoffel at July 12, 2015 12:52 PM (fVxXv)

The Saudis will buy, or perhaps have already bought, nukes from Pakistan. Nukes that they helped finance in the first place.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 12, 2015 02:41 PM (EyTGL)

367 357
I was thinking about the bentonite in terms of internal application.
Doesn't bentonite absorb the radiation internally? I thought I read
somewhere that it was taken internally in the case of accidental
radiation exposure.

Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July 12, 2015 02:10 PM (xVgrA)

You are thinking of Iodine which is taken as a prophylactic dose. It saturates the thyroid with normal Iodine so that there is no Iodine-131 uptake. Bentonite is used for kitty liter and in oil wells as a sealant.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 12, 2015 02:42 PM (GpgJl)

368 Yup, you could mosey into his lab any old time. It was just an ordinary fridge, no lock.

The sign worked on me; I never peeked in the fridge.

Posted by: eman at July 12, 2015 12:59 PM (MQEz6)

The fridge was probably filled with hummus. It's a known nerve gas precursor.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 12, 2015 02:44 PM (EyTGL)

369 For iodine blockers, look up potassium iodide, or KI tablets. They can be taken right up to a few hours after exposure to radioactive iodine. They only block iodine, though. Not Strontium, cesium, or any of the heavy bone or kidney-seeking isotopes. For those, you have to avoid exposure.

Posted by: Advo at July 12, 2015 02:47 PM (7hUS8)

370 Has there ever been a Quenchy on a Sunday? Only in the era of Obama...

Posted by: RushBabe at July 12, 2015 03:13 PM (zdw2Z)

371 Great news!!!! After months of knuckle biting face to face negotiations, Obama and Kerry got a great deal. In exchange for "removing Israel from the map", Iran will be allowed to "remove Israel from the map". Also South Carolina and Mississippi. Also Idaho. Also "anywhere white people congregate in large numbers".
Plus, Iran gets the Kardashians, including The Jenner Experiment.
And Joe Biden.

Posted by: fuqdat at July 12, 2015 03:21 PM (4Z0vT)

372 One of the great negotiators, Roger Dawson, says the first rule of negotiating is always "The winner will be the last one willing to walk away from the deal."

Another rule is "Never offer to split the difference; it is a unilateral concession," with the corollary, "Never agree to an offer to split the difference: it's a sign of weakness which should signal you to be firm on your offer."

It's sad to think the future of mankind may rest on the resolve of the French.

~~

But Chamberlain had little choice. What was his alternative? The British war machine had been almost completely dismantled after Versailles, and the public was in no mood for rearming. He had no way of knowing Hitler was bluffing. We didn't learn that until after it was all over.

Munich was a bad deal, but there was no good deal to be had. It's easy to blame Chamberlain for not threatening to go to war in hindsight, because we know more now. Not an easy call at the time.

Posted by: Adjoran at July 12, 2015 04:14 PM (QIQ6j)

373 But I was told by Spiritually Advanced (but not religious) People that Dear Leader was a Light Worker! How could he possibly fail in his strong negotiations with the misunderstood Sun People of Iran?

Posted by: LIV for Social Justice n Stuff. at July 12, 2015 04:20 PM (KSF9t)

374 Funny that every time Dear Leader signals that there's a deal, the Iranians say there isn't! I know we're screwed by this deal in the end but it's fun to watch Lurch and His Highness get bitch slapped by the mullahs.

Posted by: Commissar M at July 12, 2015 04:30 PM (KSF9t)

375 Chamberlain was shallow, vain, ambitious, narcissistic, stupid, and over weeningly concerned with his legacy.

Posted by: pj at July 12, 2015 04:58 PM (cHuNI)

376 oops.

Chamberlain was shallow, vain, ambitious, narcissistic, stupid, and over weeningly concerned with his legacy.

Sounds familiar, Butch.

BTW I don't think as many will die this time. Iran will nuke Tel Aviv or Washington DC and the entire Western World will surrender.

Posted by: pj at July 12, 2015 04:59 PM (cHuNI)

377 Every Jew who voted for Obama needs to get their asses kicked.
By me.

Posted by: TexasJew at July 12, 2015 05:22 PM (sqaXk)

378 Well, your sure got Adam Baldwin's attention: @AdamBaldwin
"37 million died in WWI. 80 million died in WWII. I wonder how many will die this time around?" http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=357825

Posted by: sybilll at July 12, 2015 06:17 PM (Y8g0V)

379 All I can say to American conservatives and libertarians is it is getting near time to head for the hills, hunker down, and prepare to fight for freedom against all enemies foreign and domestic.

Posted by: William Eaton at July 12, 2015 07:02 PM (q52Ma)

380 This agreement would not have been possible without the "magic hat" I got from that CIA guy.

Posted by: John Kerry at July 12, 2015 08:26 PM (FTIES)

381 I predict that there will only be an agreement to have an agreement at some point OR Kerry will sign the paper first, push it back across to the Iranians, who will then refuse to sign it just to make him and Obama look like fools.

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