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Oregon's Fascist Gag Order on Sweet Cakes by Melissa
Amy Otto discusses it at the Federalist.
After bankrupting this business and driving it out of business, the Gay Fascism Movement in Oregon isn't quite done with Sweet Cakes by Melissa yet."This case is not about a wedding cake or a marriage," Avakian wrote. "It is about a business's refusal to serve someone because of their sexual orientation. Under Oregon law, that is illegal." In the ruling, Avakian placed an effective gag order on the Kleins, ordering them to "cease and desist" from speaking publicly about not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs.Do you know why Avakian did this? It's because other victims of the Gay Fascism Movement have gotten some amount of public support -- donations, business -- to help them out in their battle against the Gay Fascism Movement. So Avakian has decreed: Your First Amendment rights to advertise yourself and play for public sympathy are herewith abolished. While Sweet Mellissa's was driven out of business, they have started an internet-based bakery. Look at their homepage -- I assume this homepage is written in such a way as to comply with Avakian's lawlesss order. They have a pair of wedding rings at the top of the page -- but they do not say why they are selling baked goods online, as opposed to the normal method of doing so. They allude to it here:
We here at Sweet Cakes strongly believe that when a man and woman come together to be joined as one, it is truly one of the most special days of their lives, we feel truely honored when we are chosen to do the cake for your special day.But they can't quite say it -- not without going to jail or suffering another huge fine. Avakian doesn't want them talking about that. He doesn't want Christian sympathizers to buy cakes from them, and thereby diminish their state-ordered pain. He is determined that the state of Oregon shall beggar them and they shall remain beggared -- so they don't get to talk about their principled refusal to bake cakes for gay weddings, nor solicit business on that basis. This is, obviously, anti-American and vengefully Stalinist. But this is the New Order, isn't it? #LoveWins. Oh by the way the proprietors of Sweet Cakes "mentally raped" the Gay Fascist couple.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Most Interesting Man at July 06, 2015 02:52 PM (VcOqI)
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 06, 2015 02:52 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: GMan at July 06, 2015 02:53 PM (sxq57)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2015 02:53 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 06, 2015 02:53 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Most Interesting Man at July 06, 2015 02:53 PM (VcOqI)
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at July 06, 2015 02:54 PM (3ZtZW)
I mean I understand gag orders when someones actively under investigation and they don't want co-conspirators tipped off, but uh...
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 06, 2015 02:54 PM (AkOaV)
awesome
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 02:54 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: X at July 06, 2015 02:54 PM (xGNLA)
Not that it would be any better if he were a judge. But since when do bureaucrats get to issue court orders?
Posted by: grognard at July 06, 2015 02:55 PM (/29Nl)
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 06, 2015 02:55 PM (hh8hB)
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at July 06, 2015 02:55 PM (AC0lD)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 06, 2015 02:53 PM (9mTYi)
The courts, with very few exceptions, are the willing instruments for the Regime to use the force of law to punish those out of favor.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2015 02:55 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 06, 2015 02:55 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 06, 2015 02:55 PM (8ZskC)
Then fight it out in the courts, hopefully you get some public sympathy with your run to the media.
Because being quiet and just... accepting it seems like giving up to me.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 06, 2015 02:55 PM (AkOaV)
Oh this is even better.
Does this fucking prick have any family that can be harassed?
Posted by: GMan at July 06, 2015 02:55 PM (sxq57)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 02:55 PM (qCMvj)
-------
How does it feel to treat me like you do?
When you've laid your hands upon me
And told me who you are
I thought I was mistaken
I thought I heard your words
Tell me, how do I feel
Tell me now, How do I feel
Posted by: Blue Monday at July 06, 2015 02:56 PM (VAsIq)
This is where Canada already is, btw.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 06, 2015 02:56 PM (hh8hB)
The best way to fight them in this case is to donate to the baker.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 02:56 PM (wq4B0)
Posted by: Most Interesting Man at July 06, 2015 02:56 PM (VcOqI)
Posted by: Mabel Galore at July 06, 2015 02:56 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 02:56 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 06, 2015 02:56 PM (RWZqW)
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 06, 2015 02:57 PM (hh8hB)
Posted by: @votermom at July 06, 2015 02:57 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: George Pickett at July 06, 2015 02:57 PM (VcOqI)
And if OTHER people commented about the situation, would the owners be liable?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 06, 2015 02:57 PM (VPLuQ)
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 06, 2015 02:57 PM (ZvKdv)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2015 02:58 PM (h4vJk)
The problem with this is the state is a bottomless money pit. They can fight indefinitely. However, the lowly peons don't have the resources.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 06, 2015 02:58 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 06, 2015 02:58 PM (hh8hB)
Because I kind of thought that was more of a ghey culture thing.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 06, 2015 02:58 PM (RWZqW)
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 06, 2015 02:58 PM (XsOa7)
Posted by: Robert E. Lee Pruitt at July 06, 2015 02:58 PM (VcOqI)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 06, 2015 02:58 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 06, 2015 02:59 PM (ZKzrr)
And "because a judge says so" is NOT a correct answer.
Posted by: Keith Arnold at July 06, 2015 02:59 PM (iIzG7)
I mean I understand gag orders when someones actively under investigation and they don't want co-conspirators tipped off, but uh...
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 06, 2015 02:54 PM (AkOaV)
It looks to be nothing more than a naked prior restraint on free speech, which is anathema to the First Amendment and repugnant to our American tradition of liberty. Just another fascist in a robe.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 06, 2015 02:59 PM (2Ojst)
Hillary Clinton on Tuesday will give the first nationally televised interview of her presidential campaign to CNN senior political correspondent Brianna Keilar.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 06, 2015 02:59 PM (kQBSd)
That is beyond Orwellian.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 06, 2015 02:59 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 06, 2015 02:59 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Most Interesting Man at July 06, 2015 02:56 PM
To be fair, a lot of them gag on their wedding night.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2015 02:59 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: Robert E. Lee Pruitt at July 06, 2015 03:00 PM (VcOqI)
To be fair, a lot of them gag on their wedding night.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2015 02:59 PM (h4vJk)
ta-da Rim Job
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 06, 2015 03:00 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Most Interesting Man at July 06, 2015 02:56 PM
To be fair, a lot of them gag on their wedding night.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2015 02:59 PM (h4vJk)
All the bathhouse experience helped kill that reflex.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 06, 2015 03:00 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Pious Agnostic at July 06, 2015 03:00 PM (Lu9c/)
Posted by: The Piss-Yellow Coward John Roberts at July 06, 2015 03:00 PM (ZvKdv)
I received an advanced copy of the CNN interview w/Hillary!
CNN: So, email issues?
HRC: Yes. Unfortunate.
CNN: What's it like being a grandmother??
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 06, 2015 03:00 PM (5buP8)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 06, 2015 02:58 PM (9mTYi)
Not true. First, most litigation gets dragged out due to disputes over facts. Here, however, the facts are not disputed - in fact, they are clearly set forth in the state agency's order. So the only dispute is a legal one, and therefore easily amenable to a summary judgment motion. Second, if they sue in federal court under 42 USC 1983 (which permits redress for constitutional violations), and they win, they would be entitled to recover their attorney's fees from Oregon.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 06, 2015 03:01 PM (XsOa7)
Hillary Clinton on Tuesday will give the first nationally televised interview of her presidential campaign to CNN senior political correspondent Brianna Keilar.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 06, 2015 02:59 PM (kQBSd)
Nothing says gravitas like giving your first interview of the campaign to someone who's name sounds like a Vivid Entertainment contract player.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 06, 2015 03:01 PM (RWZqW)
Posted by: Pious Agnostic
Sure--we hate these bakers and want their lives destroyed.
Posted by: MSM at July 06, 2015 03:01 PM (VAsIq)
Any recs for free email providers that don't demand identity info when you create an account?
So far I've gotten recs for Hushmail and Inbox.
(Also a rec for textmail to manage accounts)
Looking to use one for online work / work search and another one for financial stuff. Thanks!
Posted by: @votermom at July 06, 2015 03:01 PM (cbfNE)
A couple of fat lesbians mad at the world that they are still miserable.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 06, 2015 03:01 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 03:01 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Robert E. Lee Pruitt at July 06, 2015 03:01 PM (VcOqI)
Hillary Clinton on Tuesday will give the first nationally televised interview of her presidential campaign to CNN senior political correspondent Brianna Keilar.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 06, 2015 02:59 PM (kQBSd
Thank you Madam Secretary for this interview.
How does it feel to be a grandmother?
Oh thats wonderful, what type of cookies do yo bake with the little child?
Yeah, it will be hard hitting.
NOT
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 06, 2015 03:01 PM (9mTYi)
They refused to sell a product--Gay-Wedding Cake. There was no contention that they were unwilling to sell products to a gay person.
I assume that they wouldn't sell a straight man a gay wedding cake, any more than they would refuse to sell a straight wedding cake to a gay person.
They probably wouldn't sell a "congrats on your wedding to Satan" cake either. Or a "congrats on your latest abortion" cake, and they shouldn't be forced to.
It has nothing to do with the sexual orientation of the customer, and therefore doesn't fall under the equal accommodation rule.
Who would want to buy a urine soaked trifle anyway.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 06, 2015 03:02 PM (kfcYC)
Posted by: Nation of Islam restaurants at July 06, 2015 03:02 PM (Spluw)
Between this, the fake rapes and the fake blacks...can we just admit the crazy people are running the insane asylum now?
Also, is using the term "Bridezillas" for an overemotional lesbian couple a hate crime?
Posted by: LizLem at July 06, 2015 03:02 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 06, 2015 03:02 PM (8ZskC)
He is determined that the state of Oregon shall beggar them and they shall remain beggared -- so they don't get to talk about their principled refusal to bake cakes for gay weddings, nor solicit business on that basis.
This is, obviously, anti-American and vengefully Stalinist.
But this is the New Order, isn't it?
It is the New Order because - and very simply, because - Avakian knows he faces no repurcussions for his actions. Until such people do face repurcussions - immediate, severe and punitive - this will continue.
As the man said, "what are you prepared to do?"
And all the Andrew Klavans to the contrary, saying "cowboy up!" is not an answer.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 06, 2015 03:02 PM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: torquewrench at July 06, 2015 03:02 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 03:02 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: just saying at July 06, 2015 03:02 PM (wkuqO)
So far I've gotten recs for Hushmail and Inbox.
(Also a rec for textmail to manage accounts)
Looking to use one for online work / work search and another one for financial stuff. Thanks!
Posted by: @votermom
They're all good, votermom! Totally safe from prying eyes.
Posted by: NSA at July 06, 2015 03:03 PM (VAsIq)
So: 'He's' not exactly unbiased in the whole sexcapades thing 'he's' arbiting here.
Also: 'He's' probably batsh!t crazy.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at July 06, 2015 03:03 PM (DLu2s)
I decided to google Oregon Human Rights Laws, Civil Rights, etc. The Federal laws are the only thing that seem to apply to employers, the State laws apply to employees and customers. Apparently the State is within its rights to do all of this, with the only appeal being to the Federal laws, esp. as regards Religious Conscience or Objections. So.... screwed.
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at July 06, 2015 03:03 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Hadoop at July 06, 2015 03:03 PM (2X7pN)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 06, 2015 03:03 PM (XUKZU)
Maybe I'll buy a wedding cake from them, tell them to write "Fuck You" on top, and mail it to George Takei.
Posted by: MacGruber at July 06, 2015 03:03 PM (kQBSd)
Posted by: Zombie William Brennan at July 06, 2015 03:03 PM (4ydbS)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 06, 2015 03:03 PM (kff5f)
CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC all safe zones for Hillary.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 06, 2015 03:03 PM (kQBSd)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 06, 2015 03:04 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: First Amendment, Rape victim at July 06, 2015 03:04 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Dirks Strewn
...Is this a trick question?
Posted by: Clay Aiken at July 06, 2015 03:04 PM (VAsIq)
If the ACLU were worth a damn they would be on this.
Posted by: Lea at July 06, 2015 03:04 PM (lIU4e)
Or blind item style like tabloids?
Posted by: @votermom at July 06, 2015 03:04 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: NotCoach at July 06, 2015 03:04 PM (rsudF)
Posted by: rebel flounder at July 06, 2015 03:05 PM (Vf5rR)
I'd do it anyway, the hell with them, but I have basically nothing to lose.
Its pretty obviously a first amendment violation that ought not survive the slightest review by a higher court but these days, after Carter, Clinton, and Obama appointees (and tepid Bush ones)... who knows? There is no justice in the land.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 03:05 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Robert E. Lee Pruitt at July 06, 2015 03:05 PM (VcOqI)
nationally televised interview of her presidential campaign to CNN
senior political correspondent Brianna Keilar. Posted by: wrg500 at July 06, 2015 02:59 PM (kQBSd)
No questions are allowed; they will just stare at each other, the Barbara Walters camera filter about to burst from being set to full power.
Posted by: LizLem at July 06, 2015 03:05 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: An Observation at July 06, 2015 03:05 PM (KFIQL)
Posted by: asianmencephalosaurus at July 06, 2015 03:05 PM (xkSSa)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 06, 2015 03:05 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Robert E. Lee Pruitt at July 06, 2015 03:05 PM (VcOqI)
Posted by: Eromero at July 06, 2015 03:06 PM (go5uR)
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at July 06, 2015 03:06 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: just saying at July 06, 2015 03:06 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 06, 2015 02:58 PM (9mTYi)
well someone has to stand up and get these gag orders curtailed. Or at least get the government to go on record saying, "yes, we can and will order people to shut up about things we find politically... difficult."
It's not just in these kinds of cases. The feds sue google all the time and then gag them so they can't tell anyone that the feds were on a fishing expedition looking through peoples emails.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 06, 2015 03:06 PM (AkOaV)
Someone what has some money needs to subsidize them as they sue Oregon all the way to SCOTUS. This is a blatant violation of the 1st Amendment, both in the "free speech" sense and in the new "Oh, Gay marriage is okay, but we're totes going to preserve religious freedom" sense.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 06, 2015 03:06 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Lea
Just wait till we madate (via penumbrations, natch) ball gag orders.
Posted by: John Roberts at July 06, 2015 03:06 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2015 03:06 PM (ztOda)
Sounds good in theory. Looks good on paper. However, I would recommend you check out National Review and research Wisconsin Gag Order Jon Doe Proceedings.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 06, 2015 03:06 PM (n6Nt0)
Posted by: John Roberts at July 06, 2015 03:06 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 03:06 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 06, 2015 03:06 PM (659DL)
Posted by: NSA at July 06, 2015 03:03 PM (VAsIq)
--
Oh my federal friends, I'm ok with YOU guys reading my mail, but what mail providers won't have random low-rent hackers reading it too?
Posted by: @votermom at July 06, 2015 03:07 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at July 06, 2015 03:03 PM (3ZtZW)
I'm just talking about the gag order. The State has the right to impose fines for violating State law, and if they do it via an agency decision and not a lawsuit then that's fine too. What I don't get is that, typically, a fine is levied by an impartial Administrative Law Judge, not the head of the agency, who was placed there to enforce the law. Weird stuff all around.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 06, 2015 03:07 PM (XsOa7)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 03:07 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at July 06, 2015 03:03 PM (3ZtZW)"
I don't see how the state can issue such a gag order. The fine is outrageous as well, but within the state's right to punish. The gag order is something else entirely.
Posted by: NotCoach at July 06, 2015 03:07 PM (rsudF)
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Particularly if she ties the reporters to their chairs.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 06, 2015 03:07 PM (XUKZU)
Software companies do it, why can't cake companies?
Posted by: Rolf at July 06, 2015 03:07 PM (Boqht)
Posted by: Penfold at July 06, 2015 03:07 PM (Fbt5B)
They would get their cake and hepatitis too.
Posted by: Robert E. Lee Pruitt at July 06, 2015 03:05 PM (VcOqI)
Gheystapo pro-tip: DO NOT order the chocolate with gold fleck icing.
Posted by: rebel flounder at July 06, 2015 03:07 PM (Vf5rR)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 06, 2015 03:07 PM (n6Nt0)
Posted by: SH at July 06, 2015 03:07 PM (gmeXX)
My advice to the owners of that bakery is to sell and get the hell out of that shit hole of a State.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 06, 2015 03:07 PM (GpgJl)
Or blind item style like tabloids? Posted by: @votermom at July 06, 2015 03:04 PM (cbfNE)
You just reminded me that I miss Nikki Finke. Supposedly she is writing a novel similar to what you are suggesting, dishing the dirt on Hollywood with just enough changes so she can't be sued. Cannot come too soon!
Posted by: LizLem at July 06, 2015 03:08 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 06, 2015 03:08 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Robert E. Lee Pruitt at July 06, 2015 03:08 PM (VcOqI)
This is some seriously funny Wiki-trolling
"Born in Fresno, California, originally as Susan Avakian, he is the first public official in Oregon's history believed to made the journey from woman to man. After a lengthy sex change operation at Johns Hopkins, Avakian proudly exclaimed to his constituents "After a long and arduous process, I finally have a penis!" Susan/Brad can be found skipping through the halls of the Oregon department of Labor and Industry, swinging a pail of daisies and singing songs from Charles Manson's greatest hits."
Look fast, it'll be edited before long.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 06, 2015 03:08 PM (RWZqW)
Any recs for free email providers that don't demand identity info when you create an account?
So far I've gotten recs for Hushmail and Inbox.
(Also a rec for textmail to manage accounts)
Looking to use one for online work / work search and another one for financial stuff. Thanks!
Posted by: @votermom at July 06, 2015 03:01 PM (cbfNE)
There's nothing that says the identity information you provide must be accurate.
Posted by: Federal Reserve at July 06, 2015 03:08 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Lea at July 06, 2015 03:08 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 06, 2015 03:06 PM (n6Nt0)
Yeah, I'm familiar with that horrible disaster. But it seems that there was basically a rogue prosecutor and judge running these things, and when a federal court caught whiff of it an immediate preliminary injunction was issued. The people affected will likely recover a lot of money from WI.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 06, 2015 03:08 PM (XsOa7)
Posted by: rebel flounder at July 06, 2015 03:08 PM (Vf5rR)
Posted by: Tastee Cake at July 06, 2015 03:09 PM (VcOqI)
Too bad the Shipping Products isn't under way. I would have ordered something for somebody.
The website works very well. Good for them for sticking to what they do best.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 03:09 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 06, 2015 03:09 PM (VPLuQ)
The government has realized the power of social media and wants it stopped. They understand that evil acts by them can be brought to light too easily by people. The only answer to this is to ignore the order. Yes, you'll pay a price, but if everyone keeps just ignoring the orders, they can't keep it up.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 03:09 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at July 06, 2015 03:09 PM (zauWW)
Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at July 06, 2015 03:09 PM (XTq3s)
Posted by: JoeShmoe99
So, you haven't heard of us dumbass?
Posted by: IRS, DOJ, BATF, EPA at July 06, 2015 03:09 PM (Spluw)
Well, that or somewhere around $.75...
Posted by: GMan at July 06, 2015 03:10 PM (sxq57)
This is outrageous beyond belief, but what I haven't seen is their
response to this nonsense. I personally would ignore such a gag order.
Let the judge pursue sanctions against me for doing so. He wouldn't win,
and I would have a case for civil damages
============
It'd actually be contempt AND sanctions.
And contempt that comes with an arrest warrant.
Which should be like a failure to pay a traffic ticket.
But, will be a #1 priority and they'll find an officer to arrest within the hour.
So, you're in jail. They won't let you call anyone (remember: asshole fascists) and you're not getting out until you pay the "fine."
Anyone here still see the courts as a buttress against the state?
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 06, 2015 03:10 PM (ZvKdv)
Yes, he would. Because he could keep up the litigious battle and you would not be able to. At some point, you would run out of money - likely a point *long* before the State did.
So then, no only would you end up in jail for contempt of court, you'd also be financially ruined for the rest of your life.
*THAT* is why they don't speak out. Because, after all, is that freedom *really* worth ruining their lives?
And I ask that as an honest, gut-check question. Were you in their shoes and knew beyond doubt that resistance would not, in fact, win you the day and would actually ruin you, would you still stand up for principle and (proverbially) die the martyr's death, or would you stand mute and allow them to silence you?
Because I know I'd be sorely tempted to stand mute. I've got a wife and kids.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 06, 2015 03:10 PM (kff5f)
oh, and shockingly, he/she is also a democrat party hack.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 06, 2015 03:10 PM (AkOaV)
Please proceed to the nearest window, where you will find out who will be your "Designated Gagger".
Thank you and shut up.
-Your Betters
Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at July 06, 2015 03:10 PM (OQ9R7)
https://www.facebook.com/BradAvakianOregon
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 06, 2015 03:10 PM (YYJjz)
As most here are saying, and as I've been asking intermittently in these sections for days - how the hell is this even remotely constitutional and legitimate? I've seen the "explanation" - which, again, is facially ridiculous in First Amendment terms.
Where's the guardian of the bill of rights, the ACLU? Too busy harassing religious institutions and flogging their imaginary "wall of separation" doctrine to take an interest in, you know, an actual civil rights case?
Isn't their some evil right-wing legal foundation (you know, that do the stuff the ACLU actually pretends to do, or used to, and most people *believe* that they actually do) that can guide the bakers in defiance of this idiocy, in court?
Posted by: rhomboid at July 06, 2015 03:11 PM (QDnY+)
What is the call sign for Adam and Eve stock?
Posted by: Robinson at July 06, 2015 03:11 PM (1SHv1)
That's an interesting point. I'm a member of a local club in town. Some friends opened it as a club to help get around some of the liquor license issues, most notably the fact they couldn't get one as a bar but as a club, no problem.
I'm sure our overly oppressive federal government would find a way to stop this random people doing what they want to do who they want to do it with but worth a shot.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 06, 2015 03:11 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 06, 2015 03:11 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 06, 2015 03:07 PM (GpgJl)
They probably have a lot of roots and ties there. It's hard to do that, but I do know I would never move there. Oregon has gone batsh*t fascist.
I actually do not even know how to respond to this. It certainly does not seem legal. It makes no sense. What the hell is going on, and why aren't people fighting back on this there?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 03:11 PM (qCMvj)
'Brad' Avakian was orginally Susan Avakian; she had an addadictomy, and
presto! Brad! Avakian! is created. Really, at least according to
Wikipedia. Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at July 06, 2015 03:03 PM
I would bet good money that someone hacked the biography part of Avakian's Wikipedia page. It reads like snark.
But hey, it IS Oregon, where anything's possible. I mean, no one in a position of authority in D.C. would take it upon themself to issue so draconian and unconstitutional a decree, would they?
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 06, 2015 03:11 PM (P8YHq)
If it falls under Human Rights violations - which it seems to - a gag order is often applied, esp. in employer-employee situations, which is where it most often occurs. Its purpose is to prevent retaliation on the alleged victim.
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at July 06, 2015 03:11 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at July 06, 2015 03:11 PM (DLu2s)
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at July 06, 2015 03:12 PM (3ZtZW)
/ISIS on a rooftop.
Posted by: maddogg at July 06, 2015 03:12 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 03:12 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 06, 2015 03:12 PM (evdj2)
Uh...
Posted by: Lauren at July 06, 2015 03:12 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: McCool at July 06, 2015 03:13 PM (nCSwS)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 03:13 PM (qCMvj)
push back. We'll see how triumphant you feel when you're on the receiving end of a civil war you insisted on starting. My July 4th resolution is that I've stood for my last national anthem and pledge of allegiance until the Constitution is restored. I refuse to praise a country that no longer exists. The country that defeated Fascism and Communism has been replaced by a country that calls a sick, freak like Bruce Jenner a hero.
Posted by: Naes at July 06, 2015 03:13 PM (YhayY)
Posted by: Titanium at July 06, 2015 03:14 PM (JLKJJ)
Posted by: Mr. Fosi at July 06, 2015 03:14 PM (xx2Wn)
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So sexual orientation is defined as "what you are sexually attracted to"? If so, then how do you exclude the truly deviant practices, like pedo, bestiality, etc? Answer - you don't.
Posted by: Saltydonnie at July 06, 2015 03:14 PM (i6shs)
They did a good job on her. She's very convincing.
Posted by: asianmencephalosaurus at July 06, 2015 03:14 PM (xkSSa)
Posted by: @votermom at July 06, 2015 03:07 PM (cbfNE)
Oh! I hear Clintonemail.com is VERY secure.
Protected round the clock by secret service agents IIRC!
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 06, 2015 03:14 PM (AkOaV)
Also, "excessive sleep".
Holy cats, now that I think of it, I was snoring away in bed till the crack of noon on Saturday morning. Where's my huge government-decreed settlement?
Posted by: torquewrench at July 06, 2015 03:15 PM (noWW6)
oregon-official-silences-christian
-cake-bakers-whore-accused-of-
mental-rape-by-gay-couple
Whore? Is that a lazy contraction of who are in url form or a deliberate jab at the bakers?
Posted by: rebel flounder at July 06, 2015 03:15 PM (Vf5rR)
It's always just over the next hill of corpses.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 06, 2015 03:12 PM (evdj2)
Shhhhhh, don't tell Boehner or Mc Connell.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 06, 2015 03:15 PM (n6Nt0)
They can't. A judge has tremendous power over a case, but they cannot legally violate the 1st amendment just to prevent bad press and keep people silent about how they're treated. That's flat out tyranny, the actual real deal oppression the left keeps whining about but always ignores.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 03:15 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Golfman at July 06, 2015 03:15 PM (48QDY)
The percentages on those have begun to shift dramatically over the last few months.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 06, 2015 03:15 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: Apple II at July 06, 2015 03:15 PM (Ydaoe)
Hopkins stopped doing Gender altering surgery some years ago.
Seems that even after mutilating their sexual organs, the patients were still offing themselves in statistically unchanged numbers.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 06, 2015 03:15 PM (VPLuQ)
BUT this whole Gaystopo crapola is all about making gays feel "normal" and no law or forcing of businesses to cater to gays is going to make them "normal" because "normal" means 51% of ALL others do the same thing. Homosexual sex does not need to be outlawed, but no amount of tolerance makes it normal, either.
Posted by: Dancing Queen at July 06, 2015 03:15 PM (rCGpC)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 06, 2015 03:07 PM (GpgJl)
They probably have a lot of roots and ties there. It's hard to do that, but I do know I would never move there. Oregon has gone batsh*t fascist.
I wonder if you can't just move your "business office" across the state line while leaving your bakery in Oregon. The bakery doesn't take orders from anyone but the exclusive agent.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 06, 2015 03:16 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Gaystapo at July 06, 2015 03:16 PM (QW+AD)
Bake sales have already been banned.
Posted by: Tastee Cake at July 06, 2015 03:09 PM (VcOqI)
Dammit, now we'll never get that F35 bomber.
Posted by: The Pentagon at July 06, 2015 03:16 PM (RWZqW)
The Sweet Cake extremists must not be allowed to impose their beliefs on everyone.
Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at July 06, 2015 03:16 PM (Ui7Rt)
"It is about a business's refusal to serve someone because of their
sexual orientation. Under Oregon law, that is illegal."
No.
It's a refusal to take part in a ceremony that we do not recognize as valid.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 03:16 PM (oVJmc)
/prove we were talking about it!
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at July 06, 2015 03:16 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Fritz at July 06, 2015 03:16 PM (o/UmK)
Posted by: Commissar M at July 06, 2015 03:16 PM (qj+Px)
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Well he is not a judge. So that explains part of it. He has no power to order this - other than the power of the crown - which is a lot of power. Civil disobedience isn't for the faint of heart.
Posted by: SH at July 06, 2015 03:17 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 06, 2015 03:17 PM (auetc)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at July 06, 2015 03:17 PM (xkSSa)
Protected round the clock by secret service agents IIRC!
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 06, 2015 03:14 PM (AkOaV)
I can't afford a clintonemail.com accpunt.
I think they charge like $65,000 per email sent or something.
Posted by: @votermom at July 06, 2015 03:17 PM (cbfNE)
Damn you, wikipedia!
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at July 06, 2015 03:11 PM (DLu2s)
Whether it's true or not -- it's true.
That's our meme and narrative. If the media can do it, I can too.
Just like white hispanic george zimmerman hunted down and killed poor Saint Trayvon the Pious and the Gentle Giant Mike Brown had his hands up and and was saying "don't shoot!" before the racist evil Darren Wilson gunned him down in cold blood... this guy is a he/she.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 06, 2015 03:17 PM (AkOaV)
I see that fromabroad is getting the MUMR treatment.
Warms the cockles of my heart, it does.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 06, 2015 03:17 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: MikeinTX at July 06, 2015 03:18 PM (7Ajjh)
Posted by: redbanzai at July 06, 2015 03:18 PM (OrI3J)
Thanks.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 06, 2015 03:18 PM (NOIQH)
If so, a Moron no doubt.
Posted by: Golfman at July 06, 2015 03:18 PM (48QDY)
We hope you will join us voluntarily, but if not we are prepared to force you to join us voluntarily.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 06, 2015 03:18 PM (NeFrd)
Oh, internet. Shine on you crazy diamond:
Oregon Labor Commissioner Brad Avakian
Born in Fresno, California, originally as Susan Avakian, he is the first public official in Oregon's history believed to made the journey from woman to man. After a lengthy sex change operation at Johns Hopkins, Avakian proudly exclaimed to his constituents "After a long and arduous process, I finally have a penis!" Susan/Brad can be found skipping through the halls of the Oregon department of Labor and Industry, swinging a pail of daisies and singing songs from Charles Manson's greatest hits.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Avakian
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 06, 2015 03:19 PM (kdS6q)
Why would anyone want a cake from someone who doesn't want to bake you one? Imagine the things the baker could put in it.
=============
Because it's not about the cake.
They never wanted a cake.
They already had a cake for their ceremony.
What they don't want is anyone allowed to criticism them or to believe differently from them.
This--gay marriage and all this--is and always has been about forcing people to shut up. Not just controlling the speech but the very thoughts.
And too many were willing to compromise . . . .
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 06, 2015 03:19 PM (ZvKdv)
Posted by: GMan at July 06, 2015 03:19 PM (sxq57)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 03:19 PM (oVJmc)
Nowhere in the article could I find why he/she was talking to a human bank rep instead of using an ATM or online account.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 06, 2015 03:19 PM (falEX)
Oh wait --- we can't talk about the Civil War anymore, right, because we'd have to explain who Sherman was marching on?
Posted by: Lizzy at July 06, 2015 03:20 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 06, 2015 03:17 PM (auetc)"
I will be donating to these people.
Posted by: NotCoach at July 06, 2015 03:20 PM (rsudF)
Posted by: torquewrench
Amateur.
-ace
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 06, 2015 03:20 PM (VAsIq)
That would achieve the same goal, without all these legal hassles.
Posted by: zombie at July 06, 2015 03:21 PM (jBuUi)
organs, the patients were still offing themselves in statistically
unchanged numbers.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 06, 2015 03:15 PM
Or registering as Democrats....
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 06, 2015 03:21 PM (P8YHq)
nationally televised interview of her presidential campaign to CNN
senior political correspondent Brianna Keilar. Posted by: wrg500 at July 06, 2015 02:59 PM (kQBSd)
Keilar will be restrained behind electric fencing and wearing a ball gag.
Posted by: Country Singer at July 06, 2015 03:21 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: NotCoach at July 06, 2015 03:20 PM (rsudF)
If my financial situation were different, I would be as well. As it is, there just *might* be a post up on that blog I don't have later this evening.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 06, 2015 03:21 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Muslim Extremist Bakery at July 06, 2015 03:21 PM (yYOXd)
They ARE part of the state. But they are supposed to be a check against excesses and unconstitutionality of the executive and legislative branch.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 03:21 PM (39g3+)
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Its not a gag order, which is an order given by a court. Its a state decree to shut up.
Posted by: SH at July 06, 2015 03:21 PM (gmeXX)
I heard they got this nano-robot snake thinger what they inject into your thigh and cut off those heart-cockles. Its an ambulatory surgery and should be covered by most insurances.
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at July 06, 2015 03:22 PM (3ZtZW)
Agenda much?
Posted by: Golfman at July 06, 2015 03:15 PM (48QDY)
That edit is from today. Before today, his wikipedia page had nothing about being a tranny in it.
So well played, whoever did that stealth edit.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 06, 2015 03:22 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: MrScribbler
I keep telling people I'm a Republican, but no one believes me anymore...
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at July 06, 2015 03:22 PM (VAsIq)
-
It's about a cheap little pretend man trying to punish anyone who notices that there is anything wrong with being a pretend man.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 06, 2015 03:22 PM (XUKZU)
They ARE part of the state. But they are supposed to be a check against excesses and unconstitutionality of the executive and legislative branch.
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No court was involved.
Posted by: SH at July 06, 2015 03:22 PM (gmeXX)
You'd make her a star within a month.
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at July 06, 2015 03:23 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Country Singer at July 06, 2015 03:23 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: WOPR at July 06, 2015 03:23 PM (nRvEn)
That was always a very stupid idea. In fact, the Articles of Confederacy was probably the better government than what we wound up with.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 06, 2015 03:23 PM (auetc)
we should do to Avakian what the NoH8ers did to prop8 supporters in California.
Picket his house, harass his friends and neighbors etc. The Left only respects force. We have to use their tactics against them, because they ignore the law when it suits them.
I hope the Kleins sue this guy for conspiracy to deprive them of their civil rights. His collusion with the gay "rights" group should be clear grounds for this. These guys have to be made to pay, because they're not going to stop otherwise.
Posted by: Iblis at July 06, 2015 03:23 PM (9221z)
Someone up-thread asked whether this miniature creature/fascist functionary in Oregon has family or interests that can be harrassed. Sounds like the way to go.
Perhaps something Turkish-themed, given his last name.
Do Gabe or Justice Kennedy have any profound thoughts on how liberty flourishes only when compulsion replaces freedom of association, and people can be silenced as in some Third World, European, or by-gone totalitarian regime? How's "dignity" doing these days - I believe it has always been the currency of our constitutional jurisprudence, and the main metric used in outlining the limits of guvamint power.
Just curious.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 06, 2015 03:23 PM (QDnY+)
scheme of things. Pour all that money into state legislative races. Take
the 3/4 of the state legislatures, call an Article V convention and
pass fifty conservative amendments. Declaring 6 of the 9 SCOTUS Justices persona non grata and removing them is a good place to start.
Posted by: Naes at July 06, 2015 03:23 PM (YhayY)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at July 06, 2015 03:23 PM (xkSSa)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 06, 2015 03:23 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: @votermom at July 06, 2015 03:23 PM (cbfNE)
Not if she had to go into fucking hiding with her worthless father.
Posted by: GMan at July 06, 2015 03:23 PM (sxq57)
It has nothing to do with the sexual orientation of the customer, and therefore doesn't fall under the equal accommodation rule.
Sure, but then gays can't be victims.
Who really discriminates against gay people? Even if they are known to be gay.
Victimhood is the coin of the realm in modern America.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 06, 2015 03:23 PM (b65cm)
Shhhh. There are Southerners present.
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at July 06, 2015 03:24 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Justice Anthony Kennedy at July 06, 2015 03:24 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 06, 2015 03:24 PM (evdj2)
Thanks.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 06, 2015 03:18 PM (NOIQH)
I think I've said this before, but ten years ago I thought the people concerned about this sort of thing were being wildly hyperbolic.
I was wrong. This is crazy.
Posted by: Lea at July 06, 2015 03:24 PM (lIU4e)
Does anyone realize that Brad Avakian was born as Susan? Agenda much?
Posted by: Golfman
So, you bought that? Pail full of daisies and all?
We -- really -- need to have an AoS poker night.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 06, 2015 03:25 PM (kdS6q)
Avakian is an Armenian name that is the same last name as "Bob Avakian," the Maoist cult leader of the Revolutionary Communist Party.
In wonder if they're related.
Posted by: zombie at July 06, 2015 03:25 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: NotCoach at July 06, 2015 03:20 PM (rsudF)
Yeah, but can they even have a defense site with this gag order?
Posted by: Iblis at July 06, 2015 03:25 PM (9221z)
What a bullshit system where what passes as a judge is a hardcore activist for the other side.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 06, 2015 03:25 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Colin at July 06, 2015 03:25 PM (WQLtV)
Nailed it in one.
This isn't about a cake, it's not even (wholly) about forcing a Christian business to submit. It's about playing the "victim" card.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 06, 2015 03:26 PM (kff5f)
nationally televised interview of her presidential campaign to CNN
senior political correspondent Brianna Keilar.
A correspondent who conveniently attended the wedding of a Clinton aide recently.
Posted by: McCool at July 06, 2015 03:26 PM (nCSwS)
There is no separation of the branches anymore.
Shouldn't be surprising since every branch is dominated by lawyers.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 06, 2015 03:26 PM (b65cm)
In the real world, there is no damage to anyone when a cake is refused; but Tyranny Through Claimed Victimhood is the defining feature of our 21st Century Political Culture.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 03:26 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: buzzion at July 06, 2015 03:27 PM (zt+N6)
This is why I'd ignore it, and be loud about the attempt (as, apparently, they are doing). Because it forces the courts to be involved and makes it public even if you try to keep it silent.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 03:27 PM (39g3+)
"Born in Fresno, California, originally as Susan Avakian, he is the first public official in Oregon's history believed to made the journey from woman to man. After a lengthy sex change operation at Johns Hopkins, Avakian proudly exclaimed to his constituents "After a long and arduous process, I finally have a penis!" Susan/Brad can be found skipping through the halls of the Oregon department of Labor and Industry, swinging a pail of daisies and singing songs from Charles Manson's greatest hits."
Let the Wikipedia Wars commence!
Posted by: zombie at July 06, 2015 03:27 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 06, 2015 03:28 PM (8rRE+)
I'm pretty sure this is the first time I've ever heard of a gag order in connection with a run of the mill claim of civil rights violation.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 06, 2015 03:28 PM (XsOa7)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 06, 2015 03:28 PM (TF10X)
Posted by: Lee Greenwood at July 06, 2015 03:28 PM (wkuqO)
I wondered the same.
That's how I ended up reading that fine prose in the Wikis.
Posted by: Golfman at July 06, 2015 03:28 PM (48QDY)
on social issues, you're a liberal. Stop pretending otherwise. It's like putting arsenic in well
water. It all gets poisoned.
Posted by: Naes at July 06, 2015 03:28 PM (YhayY)
For the cost of a stamped envelope it would be an inexpensive way to voice our protest. For a slightly greater cost a return receipt requested would make them sign for every envelope.
Posted by: OTB at July 06, 2015 03:29 PM (I2uFP)
Our local Eagle FOE had to ban smoking because of the state. It was the last place in town you could smoke inside. Just about killed business.
Posted by: Infidel at July 06, 2015 03:29 PM (54D5/)
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This is not a gag order. There is NO judge involved.
This is a state administrative decree.
Posted by: SH at July 06, 2015 03:29 PM (gmeXX)
I think that's the point. Armenian genocide and all that.
Not nice, but whatever.
OH! also, if you want to find out more info on him, look at the history of the wiki edits. Lists more personal info. Plus the guy ran for office and his campaign page is still accessible on the interwebs.
Posted by: mynewhandle at July 06, 2015 03:29 PM (AkOaV)
Why the f*ck would they want a cake? As soon as they eat it one of them would have been cutting off the other one except for birthdays and anniversaries.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 06, 2015 03:29 PM (n6Nt0)
Posted by: buzzion at July 06, 2015 03:27 PM (zt+N6)
You have no idea how many people I did *not* punch in their f*cking faces for espousing this idea.
"Oh, this won't affect straight marriage at all!"
Well, even given that's true (which I don't necessarily grant): so what? Who has been saying it would?
Now let's talk about bakers, florists, photographers, and a f*cking pizza place who have been targeted for destruction by the Gaystapo.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 06, 2015 03:29 PM (kff5f)
Guy needs a photon torpedo up his ass.
Posted by: despair at July 06, 2015 03:29 PM (J6suc)
Posted by: Robinson at July 06, 2015 03:29 PM (1SHv1)
They ARE part of the state. But they are supposed to be a check
against excesses and unconstitutionality of the executive and
legislative branch.
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No court was involved.
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At least not yet. I don't know if the commission he heads has any authority to adjudicate contempt or enforce a gag order. They may well need to seek assistance from the court to enforce their order. Which may then permit the bakers a chance for a more, hopefully, impartial review of the case. But i wonder if the bakers should seek court assistance to enjoin the commission's order pending court approval.
Posted by: Penfold at July 06, 2015 03:30 PM (Fbt5B)
nationally televised interview of her presidential campaign to CNN
senior political correspondent Brianna Keilar."
Is this going to be anything like the interview with Monica Langley from the WSJ?
Langley having been so smitten with Canquelles that she was cooing and sighing ("Oh, Hillary,"), putting her hand on Clinton's knee, and asking if she could "ride on your lap to the White House"?
Even the Clinton staff were apparently taken aback by it.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 06, 2015 03:30 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: George Takei at July 06, 2015 03:30 PM (DLu2s)
Perhaps he was mistaken..
Perhaps he lied.
Perhaps Moo Moo simply speaks in order to gather a whiff of his own sweet cum laden breath.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 06, 2015 03:30 PM (VPLuQ)
Dunno. Harassing the family sounds promising. Doubt we will see enough people going to the trouble, though. But it would be nice to see signs with swastikas and hammers-and-sickles and "Silence, Serfs!!" being carried and photo'd around this guy personally, his house (make sure his address is widely distributed), and especially his daughter's performance venues.
Again - there ARE right-wing nutjob (/s) legal foundations, this seems like an excellent case to take up. At the least, get OR's unconstitutional authoritarian habits slapped down.
Unless, of course, "Justice" Roberts applies his upside-down/reverse-meaning doctrine to our most basic constitutional liberties, and Kennedy and the four apparatchiks double down on their lunatic crusade to socially engineer "dignity" from the bench.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 06, 2015 03:31 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at July 06, 2015 03:22 PM
Any rational person knows you cut the "Republican" part off.
Posted by: MrScribbler at July 06, 2015 03:31 PM (P8YHq)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 06, 2015 03:23 PM (iQIUe)
-------------------------------------------------------
If a female-to-male goes on androgens, eventually she will develop the associated secondary sex characteristics: baldness and a deeper voice. Male-to-females have it more difficult. Estrogen will stop hair loss, but it won't raise the pitch of the voice. You need to practice or get vocal coaching to do that.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at July 06, 2015 03:31 PM (xkSSa)
Posted by: Sulu at July 06, 2015 03:31 PM (wAQA5)
This is a state administrative decree.
Posted by: SH at July 06, 2015 03:29 PM (gmeXX)
The definition of gag order doesn't change based on the entity issuing it. Administrative agencies issue orders all the time. But this would be the first time I've heard of one being issued in connection with a little civil rights claim and issued by an agency head as opposed to an impartial ALJ.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 06, 2015 03:31 PM (XsOa7)
Posted by: buzzion at July 06, 2015 03:27 PM (zt+N6
Oh fuck him with a 12 gauge.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 06, 2015 03:31 PM (n6Nt0)
That's fine, except that SSM isn't about what two consenting adults do, either...
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at July 06, 2015 03:31 PM (YYJjz)
"My religious beliefs preclude my baking a cake for your wedding. Please consider another bakery to acept your money." = Mental rape
Meanwhile in northern Syria...
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 06, 2015 03:32 PM (659DL)
Posted by: Golfman at July 06, 2015 03:32 PM (48QDY)
Learn from the Left, and organize a boycott.
Oregon has a pretty sizable tourism sector.
Don't vacation in Oregon.
If you are associated with an organization planning a meeting or convention in Oregon, protest. Make it clear that anyone who wants to have a convention in Oregon is supporting fascism.
Nike and Columbia Sportsware are major consumer goods companies headquartered in Oregon.
Boycott them.
If this becomes a PR problem for Nike, a few phone calls will be made to Oregon state government, and Avakian will be roped in.
Demonize Oregon in every way possible.
You need to make Oregon understand that there are consequences for doing this.
Posted by: Alinsky! at July 06, 2015 03:33 PM (Mrl1e)
Posted by: Mr. Good Idea at July 06, 2015 03:33 PM (GemOf)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 06, 2015 03:33 PM (659DL)
Posted by: Grump928(c
To the Free Trade Zone in Dubai. Our exclusive sales agent ...
Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2015 03:33 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: Dusquen Whistler at July 06, 2015 03:34 PM (VjLIc)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 03:34 PM (O7MnT)
Ah yes. He said there would be "protections".
Remember, kids, you can't have a protection racket without 'em.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 06, 2015 03:34 PM (noWW6)
They're okay with punishment of traditionalists.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 06, 2015 03:34 PM (8rRE+)
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Yes it does. But hey, why let the definition of a word control things. Right Anthony Kennedy.
A gag order is an order of a court. Why are we letting administrative agencies and anyone else call these type of decrees gag orders? That implies that they are administered impartially and for a rational purpose.
These may be orders - but they are not gag orders.
Language matters.
Posted by: SH at July 06, 2015 03:35 PM (gmeXX)
I'd have it say 'Eat Me.'
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 03:35 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 06, 2015 03:35 PM (/JKmj)
Hillary Clinton on Tuesday will give the first
nationally televised interview of her presidential campaign to CNN
senior political correspondent Brianna Keilar.
..............................
Oh shit we may be understaffed for this.
Posted by: CNN makeup department at July 06, 2015 03:35 PM (wAQA5)
He was a very minor character, in reality. He wasn't even in every episode. And in the episodes he appeared, he didn't always speak. And in those episodes where he did speak, his lines were mostly like, "Aye Aye, captain." or "Ion storm!" or "Direct hit!"
I'd wager that, all added up, George Takei said about 183 words of dialogue over the entire 3-year span of the series.
Posted by: zombie at July 06, 2015 03:35 PM (jBuUi)
Anyone here still see the courts as a buttress against the state?
Posted by: RoyalOil
Here? Some bitter enders. They are mocked or pitied depending on the mood of the day.
Elsewhere at the usual Republican flacks and nominal Well Behaved Conservative blogs and twitters?
Scads. Simply scads.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 06, 2015 03:35 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: just saying at July 06, 2015 03:35 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner
(cue gravelly voice): I'm Batgirl
Posted by: Caped Crusader at July 06, 2015 03:36 PM (Spluw)
To be fair, in Islamic countries, far fewer gay marriages are ended by divorce.
So the have that going for them.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 06, 2015 03:36 PM (VPLuQ)
Posted by: Lee Greenwood
1980 called. It told you to come home now.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 06, 2015 03:36 PM (/Ho8c)
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I give up. For the last time - this guy is not a judge. No judge is involved.
Posted by: SH at July 06, 2015 03:37 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Ernst Rohm at July 06, 2015 03:37 PM (qj+Px)
Ask Canadians about that.
Learn from the Left, and organize a boycott.
Boycotts don't work. Threats and bad publicity and leaning on buddies at parties works. The left yells about boycotting and such, but that's not where the real pressure comes from. It comes from peers and buddies leaning on companies, and from the social media stink they can stir up.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 03:37 PM (39g3+)
That's because you're a man, dude.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 06, 2015 03:37 PM (/Ho8c)
"Kennedy and the four apparatchiks double down on their lunatic crusade to socially engineer "dignity" from the bench."
More feewings.
I has a sad, in violations of my Constitoochinal Rites! Make sad go bye-bye, Judge!
And lotsa munny, too, Judge! Because fat lesbians need cake!
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 03:38 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Naes at July 06, 2015 03:38 PM (YhayY)
To be fair, in Islamic countries, far fewer gay marriages are ended by divorce.
So the have that going for them.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 06, 2015 03:36 PM (VPLuQ)
Plus, they are roof top marriages, the view is better on the roof. And they get the quick way down to the first floor.
Posted by: Colin at July 06, 2015 03:38 PM (WQLtV)
sadly it wouldn't work, because they've got the media and SJW attack mobs to defend their moral high ground.
Here's how it would go:
Us: We are boycotting your state, until you stop persecuting these people!
Them: Fine keep your money, we don't want your bigot money anyway, bigot.
Media: Valiant heroes on the internet are waging a campaign against groups that they say are dedicated to providing financial support to, and advancing the cause of, known convicted bigots.
Posted by: the real ch3 at July 06, 2015 03:39 PM (IG5KL)
shoes and knew beyond doubt that resistance would not, in fact, win you
the day and would actually ruin you, would you still stand up for
principle and (proverbially) die the martyr's death, or would you stand
mute and allow them to silence you?
Because I know I'd be sorely tempted to stand mute. I've got a wife and kids.
I don't have a wife and kids - nor much of a life by any normal standards. So none of that will silence me. What are they going to do, send me back to Vietnam?
What I do have is a couple of 7th degree black belts, a willingness to fight evil, and a voice that has made people tremble at 15 yards. I may have to go speak to our own fascist mayor soon.
Posted by: An Observation at July 06, 2015 03:39 PM (KFIQL)
The only episode I recall that he stands out in is the one where everyone goes nuts and he's running around shirtless (and inexplicably oiled up) trying to fence with people. And he still didn't have a very big part.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 03:39 PM (39g3+)
And DO NOT pay the fines. F' em
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 06, 2015 03:39 PM (dtVOw)
He said churches would be allowed to "advocate" against gay marriage until such time as the court ruled otherwise.
No protection for individuals.
No protection for businesses.
No guarantee that churches would not be punished for refusing to perform gay wedding ceremonies.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 03:39 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: Retired Detroit public sector union member at July 06, 2015 03:40 PM (oKE6c)
You say that like it hasn't happened before.
*monitor wiper blades engaged*
Posted by: Infidel at July 06, 2015 03:40 PM (54D5/)
As in Streisand Effect wrong.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - Stay Safe with Fireworks - It's Fun and Games Until Someone's Backy at July 06, 2015 03:41 PM (hLRSq)
Courts will rule against your first amendment right to free speech in favor ofsomeone else'sfirst amendment right to a "dignified" gay wedding.
Cause some first amendment rights are more important than yours . . .
Posted by: simplemind at July 06, 2015 03:41 PM (5vV+V)
This has to make Independents and a percentage of Democrats uncomfortable. It has to have some impact -- if they hear of it. (I get it, the gag order, but it's here.)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 03:41 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 06, 2015 03:41 PM (iQIUe)
He was a very minor character, in reality. He wasn't even in every
episode. And in the episodes he appeared, he didn't always speak.
Actually, a lot of his appearances in the show are stock footage-- the shot of him at the helm with the viewscreen ahead? It's one shot, reused a lot of times to standardize the special effects matte used to put things on the screen. In part of that loop he turns back and look toward the Captain's chair, but it's the same footage throughout the series.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 03:41 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: RoyalOil
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Garbage in, garbage out. And by coopting the education system, the lefties have insured that nothing but garbage gets pumped into all 3 branches.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at July 06, 2015 03:41 PM (xkSSa)
Posted by: Hank at July 06, 2015 03:41 PM (IIAlb)
Posted by: Ernst Rohm at July 06, 2015 03:37 PM (qj+Px)
No, don't ruin the surprise knife in the back.
Posted by: Iblis at July 06, 2015 03:41 PM (9221z)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 03:41 PM (XwF+S)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 03:39 PM (39g3+)
They probably left a camera on inadvertently, then said "fuggit" and used the footage anyway.
Posted by: Retired Detroit public sector union member at July 06, 2015 03:41 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 03:39 PM (39g3+)
So, someone captured on film his typical weekend at the bathhouse? Also, Asian junk stereotyping.
Posted by: Country Singer at July 06, 2015 03:41 PM (nL0sw)
The only episode I recall that he stands out in is the one where everyone goes nuts and he's running around shirtless (and inexplicably oiled up) trying to fence with people. And he still didn't have a very big part.
Unsurprisingly, a nerd has done this. Sulu comes in at about 50 words an episode. Sixth place behind Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scott, and Uhuru.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 06, 2015 03:42 PM (659DL)
Its not come to death so far in my life, but I've taken some serious hits and lost a lot by standing up for my principles. I lost a fiancee by doing it, for one thing.
None of us really know what or how we'll respond when the time comes, but I know how little I have to lose and how much to gain. What we need are examples, strong principles, and backbone to help us make that call if the day comes.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 03:42 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: squishy LIV who heard something about this somewhere at July 06, 2015 03:42 PM (Kucy5)
Posted by: CNN makeup department at July 06, 2015 03:35 PM (wAQA5)
****
"Hey fella, I've got two pallets of pre-mixed spackle on the truck that I need to unload. Where do you want me to put it? Yeah, sign here!"
Posted by: Muldoon, at the CNN loading dock. at July 06, 2015 03:42 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 06, 2015 03:42 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 06, 2015 03:42 PM (VAsIq)
They can make plain cakes, and claim that each bears the image of the mighty mo.......which they won't actually draw.
Posted by: Caped Crusader at July 06, 2015 03:42 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Adriane the 1/2 Full Critic ... at July 06, 2015 03:43 PM (bVIxt)
Posted by: "Brad" Avakian at July 06, 2015 03:43 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Retired Detroit public sector union member at July 06, 2015 03:40 PM (oKE6c)
Allah B. Pastry
Posted by: wrg500 at July 06, 2015 03:43 PM (kQBSd)
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If that were true, you wouldnt see so many women with hair lost. He's not a tranny, get over it.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 06, 2015 03:43 PM (iQIUe)
Here's how it would go:
Us: We are boycotting your state, until you stop persecuting these people!
Them: Fine keep your money, we don't want your bigot money anyway, bigot."
If Nike sales declined by 5% in red states, it would be noticed.
Posted by: Alinsky! at July 06, 2015 03:43 PM (Mrl1e)
Questions that I'm pretty sure won't be asked:
"Mrs. Clinton, we now know that Les Gelb of _Parade_ magazine wrote a profile piece of you, where beforehand he promised that you would "like it", and offered you advance proofs of the article with editorial veto power. What does this say about the willingness of the press corps to cover you fairly?"
Posted by: torquewrench at July 06, 2015 03:44 PM (noWW6)
I was asking myself the same question: are Bob Avakian and the Avakian imposing the gag order related?
Posted by: Meriadoc at July 06, 2015 03:44 PM (IYjrj)
Guy needs a photon torpedo up his ass.
Posted by: despair
"Mister Sulu! Evasive maneuver - Pattern Delta!"
"Mmmmmmmm - nope. *tee hee*"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 06, 2015 03:44 PM (kdS6q)
Language matters."
Not to the Gaystapo. Where have you been for the last 40 years, especially the last 7 years?
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 06, 2015 03:45 PM (dtVOw)
Posted by: Avi at July 06, 2015 03:45 PM (Gx3Fe)
I think what they will actually try next is trying to get anyone that attends a Christian Church that doesn't submit to fascism fired from their job or drive them out of business. It won't be enough for them to just ruin the lives of those who are involved in the wedding industry.
Posted by: buzzion at July 06, 2015 03:45 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: wrg500
Because business is all about prophet.
Posted by: Caped Crusader at July 06, 2015 03:46 PM (Spluw)
oiled up)"
In retrospect, quite explicable.
We should all count ourselves lucky he wasn't shown with his butt hanging out of a pair of leather-bar chaps, too.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 06, 2015 03:46 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Muslim Extremist Bakery at July 06, 2015 03:46 PM (yYOXd)
to get anyone that attends a Christian Church that doesn't submit to
fascism fired from their job or drive them out of business. It won't be
enough for them to just ruin the lives of those who are involved in the
wedding industry.
Posted by: buzzion at July 06, 2015 03:45 PM (zt+N6)
That worked for the Nazi's in Germany.
Posted by: Colin at July 06, 2015 03:47 PM (WQLtV)
Language matters."
Not to the Gaystapo. Where have you been for the last 40 years, especially the last 7 years?
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Yes I know, but why should we aid them. Gag orders have an odor of legitimacy as they are issued quite regularly - when they are issued by a judge.
Posted by: SH at July 06, 2015 03:47 PM (gmeXX)
They'll try to exempt mosques - insist that mosques lose their tax exemption as well.
Posted by: Alinsky! at July 06, 2015 03:47 PM (Mrl1e)
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This.
Posted by: @votermom at July 06, 2015 03:47 PM (cbfNE)
In Cat's Paw Sulu is turned into a zombie. Return of the Archons he's a zombie again all hail Landru.
In That Which Survives, Losira tries to disrupt every cell in Sulu's body. And when Kirk is split into two due to transporter malfunction, Sulu is left on the planet freezing to death.
Some of Takei's scenes were taken by Walter Koenig because The Green Beret movie ran long on shooting. And Takei has grumbled about that in the past.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 03:47 PM (XwF+S)
Posted by: wrg500
Because business is all about prophet.
Posted by: Caped Crusader at July 06, 2015 03:46 PM (Spluw)
1. Blow up people...
2. ????
3. Prophet!
Posted by: UnderpantBomber Jihadists at July 06, 2015 03:47 PM (qh617)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2015 03:48 PM (OSs/l)
artisanal 'ette, who knows, but I'm skeptical- that really any "backlash" or discomfort is building among any people who weren't already normal and appalled by all of this crap. One hears anecdotal stuff here in the comments lately, to the effect that "this has gone too far". Meh. Even if true, not material to anything of importance.
It takes actual Americans to keep something as historically odd as America going. Mindset, values, understanding. Not much of that any more. And almost none of it in broad sectors - not just the "left" but, obviously, the bulk of the populace. Otherwise - no Obama, no collapse of constitutional rule on practically all fronts, etc.
If something doesn't concretely, immediately affect someone these days, it doesn't exist. There won't be any camps, or any hot civil war, or any of that stuff people here are always speculating about. But if there were - unless, again, the shooting or detentions were taking place next door, or to softball buddies or business partners - yawn. Anyone with an historically American mindset today is, truly, almost alone in this country.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 06, 2015 03:48 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Robinson at July 06, 2015 03:48 PM (1SHv1)
Remember, kids, you can't have a protection racket without 'em.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 06, 2015 03:34 PM (noWW6
If the gubmint can give it to you, they can take it from you.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 06, 2015 03:48 PM (n6Nt0)
That's BS. The bakery didn't refuse to sell cakes or cupcakes to gay customers. They simply refused to sell a particular product --gay wedding cakes -- to any customer, because selling that particular product would violate their religious beliefs.
Should the state now force all business owners to accommodate the requests of any customer who walks in the door, no matter how much the request violates the business owners' religious beliefs? Are Muslim-owned stores that sell Qur'ans now going to be forced to sell Bibles as well? If not, why not? How can the state justify allowing that kind of "discrimination" against Christian customers?
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 06, 2015 03:49 PM (kGrdk)
I think what they will actually try next is trying to get anyone that
attends a Christian Church that doesn't submit to fascism fired from
their job or drive them out of business.
Nope. That comes later. The next thing on their agenda is stripping churches and religious institutions of their non-profit status in tax law. They've already started doing that in Europe.
Posted by: Naes at July 06, 2015 03:49 PM (YhayY)
Yea, 3 times.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 06, 2015 03:49 PM (kQBSd)
I haven't been keeping up. Did he get Palin's endorsement?
Posted by: jwest at July 06, 2015 03:50 PM (9ZZd+)
I haven't been keeping up. Did he get Palin's endorsement?
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Did he ask?
Posted by: SH at July 06, 2015 03:51 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 06, 2015 03:51 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: Kenway at July 06, 2015 03:51 PM (n2rle)
Posted by: MehcaGodZilla at July 06, 2015 03:51 PM (xsOGI)
This weekend the priest was giving a homily on America, and what disappointed him in it.
Naturally, I knew it would be another sermon about how we don't spend enough on the poor (not anything about any recent court rulings), and I wasn't disappointed.
He said, "Why can we buy a 16 billion dollar aircraft carrier when there are people who can't afford to feed themselves in this country?"
And I thought, "Good news, Father! soon you'll be losing your tax exempt status and YOU can give the government the money to feed those people! Isn't that great?!"
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 06, 2015 03:51 PM (auetc)
http://tinyurl.com/olpedfh
Posted by: Country Singer at July 06, 2015 03:52 PM (nL0sw)
Yea, 3 times.
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This PROVES that guns kill people. By themselves.
Poor innocent DREAMER is the victim here!
Posted by: Leftist Chorus at July 06, 2015 03:52 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 06, 2015 03:52 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 03:39 PM
That's what
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2015 03:53 PM (h4vJk)
Or move juuuuuuust across the state line into Idaho, and rename their business "Perverts Burn in Hell" or something like that.
Posted by: Retired Detroit public sector union member at July 06, 2015 03:53 PM (oKE6c)
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Render to Caesar what is Caesar's and render to God what is God's.
What is so difficult about that language?
Posted by: SH at July 06, 2015 03:53 PM (gmeXX)
Bevel, you are a better person than I. Had I heard that in my church I would have 1) Stood up and 2) Uttered the phrase "Bull Shit" loud enough for the entire congregation to hear 3) Walked out never to be seen again.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 06, 2015 03:54 PM (n6Nt0)
So: 'He's' not exactly unbiased in the whole sexcapades thing 'he's' arbiting here.
Also: 'He's' probably batsh!t crazy.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at July 06, 2015 03:03 PM (DLu2s)
I'm calling bullshit on that wikipedia info. Funny, funny bullshit.
Posted by: jwpaine, otherized for your protection at July 06, 2015 03:55 PM (wKcQA)
What is so difficult about that language?
Posted by: SH
Because I'm both, idiot!
Posted by: Presn't Obama at July 06, 2015 03:55 PM (VAsIq)
Wikipedia says the job initially was a sort of OSHA job, combined with compiling labor statistics. Now, the Commish has become a sort of clearinghouse of victim complaints about labor insecurity. All of what he does replicates what federal bureaucrats also do, but thing to do with sexual orientation complaints insofar as I can see.
By the way, he looks like a card-carrying progressive. In olden days he would have been described as a Communist. Nowadays, he's a pillar of society, and the change on social views might explain why fewer and fewer jobs are being created.
Posted by: MTF at July 06, 2015 03:55 PM (DkJ4E)
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 06, 2015 03:55 PM (4SgJh)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2015 03:55 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 06, 2015 03:55 PM (dtVOw)
Fuck Oregon. It's just a big fucking plot of land. There are other big fucking plots of land to do business in.
Posted by: holygoat at July 06, 2015 03:55 PM (t3wLW)
Posted by: just saying at July 06, 2015 03:55 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: just saying at July 06, 2015 03:55 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: @votermom at July 06, 2015 03:55 PM (cbfNE)
I'm living for the day one of my priests or deacons pulls this. I love them to pieces, but I'm going to rake them over the coals about how men like them allowed the Church to cede charity to the state and let it be perverted into the twisted parody of "charity" that it has become.
Posted by: Dr. Todd Ambrosius at July 06, 2015 03:55 PM (x550S)
Posted by: just saying at July 06, 2015 03:56 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 03:47 PM (XwF+S)
He also gets some screen time in Shore Leave with the police special revolver.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 03:56 PM (oVJmc)
Addadictomy? I already got one!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2015 03:55 PM (St6BJ)
Yeah, what would you do with two?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 06, 2015 03:56 PM (n6Nt0)
Here's @brikeilarcnn pictured at a Clinton aide's wedding two weeks ago
https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/618113491484938241
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 03:56 PM (qCMvj)
So I'm shopping for a new church. Tried one out yesterday. Almost walked out when the pastor said, "You don't owe any loyalty to that (American) flag. If you're going to show loyalty to something, show it to your football team. That you coach. You don't need to be concerned with all these national politics unless you're voting."
Yeah, scratch that church off the list.
Posted by: Country Singer at July 06, 2015 03:56 PM (nL0sw)
Bevel, you are a better person than I. Had I heard that in my church I would have 1) Stood up and 2) Uttered the phrase "Bull Shit" loud enough for the entire congregation to hear 3) Walked out never to be seen again.
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I must say I have never heard my priests talk like that. They speak out against abortion and for religious freedom and everyone once in a while (not all the time - but often enough) we get "lectures" about avoiding sin.
I would not do well in a church if the priest spoke like that.
Posted by: SH at July 06, 2015 03:56 PM (gmeXX)
Hey, my lips move when I read. So sue me.
Posted by: jwpaine, otherized for your protection at July 06, 2015 03:56 PM (wKcQA)
Gays are going to do what the radical handicap advocates did when ADA was passed"
Every bathroom stall must install a glory hole.
Posted by: Naes at July 06, 2015 03:57 PM (YhayY)
then they will ask that we wear symbols of our faith on our clothing so that they know to who we are and can blame us for their badz feelingz. I seem to recall that being a useful tactic.
Posted by: Penfold at July 06, 2015 03:57 PM (Fbt5B)
So, bake the homo cake. Charge 100 times the going rate and if they still buy it, load it up with Ex-Lax, salt and sawdust.
Happy wedding!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2015 03:57 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Presn't Obama at July 06, 2015 03:57 PM (VAsIq)
http://tinyurl.com/olpedfh
Posted by: Country Singer at July 06, 2015 03:52 PM (nL0sw)
Kick him off the team, ban him from football, and send him back to the ghetto, where he belongs, at least until he ends up in prison.
Punching a woman is bullshit.
Posted by: Retired Detroit public sector union member at July 06, 2015 03:57 PM (oKE6c)
Cause some first amendment rights are more important than yours . . .
________________________
Curious, isn't it, how these new, amorphous, visible-only-to-judges "rights" in the constitution -- like the "right" to "dignity" and the "right" never to be offended -- somehow always manage to trump the rights that are actually spelled out in the constitution -- like the right to the free exercise of religion.
Odd.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 06, 2015 03:57 PM (kGrdk)
He's not a bad man; he likes America well enough. I'd say he's a Kennedy Democrat. He's just woefully out of touch, and I'm fed up by the Church's "give money to the poor!" attitude as the solution to every problem.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 06, 2015 03:58 PM (auetc)
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But that was like last week. The constitution is a living document that changes from week to we4ek, some weeks more than others.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 06, 2015 03:58 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Radical Left at July 06, 2015 03:58 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 06, 2015 03:56 PM (n6Nt0)
I know. I'd need twice the Viagra, right?
Hey, I think I just insulted myself . . .
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2015 03:58 PM (St6BJ)
What??? Wow.
(But, go hogs.)
Posted by: Lea at July 06, 2015 03:58 PM (lIU4e)
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Agree. The Church should absolutely call out for us to be charitable and for the rich especially to be charitable. But charity means giving to the poor - not giving more to the state.
Posted by: SH at July 06, 2015 03:59 PM (gmeXX)
Take a gander at what goes on in Israel. Their Prog-Socs are just as insane.
http://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/2015/07/who-censored-the-six-day-war/
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 03:59 PM (XwF+S)
You have to admit that nothing says Freedom of Expression quite like having to lie to avoid jail.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 06, 2015 03:59 PM (evdj2)
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But that was like last week. The constitution is a living document that changes from week to we4ek, some weeks more than others.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 06, 2015 03:58 PM (XUKZU)
Justice Kennedy said you could teach your beliefs, but you are not allowed to actually practice them.
He needs a good talking-to. With a set of brass knucks.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2015 03:59 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Muldoon, at the CNN loading dock. at July 06, 2015 04:00 PM (NeFrd)
Liberalism, not just taught in the schools but in churches everywhere.
Posted by: just saying at July 06, 2015 04:00 PM (wkuqO)
DEFINITELY don't show loyalty to that church.
Posted by: Retired Detroit public sector union member at July 06, 2015 04:00 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2015 04:00 PM (St6BJ)
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I don't mind that thinking because that is what Christ commanded of us. But I don't recall Christ saying give money to Caesar and then petition Caesar to give that money to the poor. Christ didn't need a middle man.
Posted by: SH at July 06, 2015 04:01 PM (gmeXX)
I'm involved in a lawsuit with WA state DNR. I bought the property in 2008 and was never involved in the lease in 2002 or dock. I've been told that I can't claim the dock as I didn't do it when the suit started, but I wasn't part of the original suit. State law says I can have a dock, but DNR disagrees. And they want me to be liable to remove the dock I don't have that's not on my property. The court will twist itself in knots trying to do what the state wants. Thank you, that was a $20k legal expenses education.
Posted by: notsothoreau at July 06, 2015 04:01 PM (5HBd1)
SURE,
WE'LL BAKE A
GAY WEDDING CAKE FOR YA
IT'LL TASTE REEEEAL GOOD, TOO
Posted by: jwpaine, otherized for your protection at July 06, 2015 04:01 PM (wKcQA)
Every bathroom stall must install a glory hole.
Posted by: Naes at July 06, 2015 03:57 PM (YhayY)
______________________
And all glory holes must be wheelchair accessible.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 06, 2015 04:01 PM (kGrdk)
Can we get past that maybe there's something about each folk that we don't necessarily "like" and just whole heartedly, 100% get behind those who are willing to step in the fucking ring against the leftist fascists??
Like Trump. Like Sweet Cakes. I have one response for all these fuckers:
Fuck you. War.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 06, 2015 04:01 PM (q5APL)
As I said, you're still a better person than I
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 06, 2015 04:01 PM (n6Nt0)
Isn't it immediately obvious to everyone that the pail-of-daisies stuff on that page is just some awesome trolling, and not really supposed to be taken as fact?
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 06, 2015 04:01 PM (LkQLS)
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Or Mohammad's Cakery and Headchopaporium.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 06, 2015 04:02 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Rick67 at July 06, 2015 04:02 PM (/gbBy)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2015 03:58 PM (St6BJ
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 06, 2015 04:02 PM (n6Nt0)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at July 06, 2015 04:03 PM (xkSSa)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 06, 2015 04:03 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: bystander at July 06, 2015 04:03 PM (hKyl0)
"Mmmmmmmm - nope. *tee hee*"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 06, 2015 03:44 PM<<<
Mr. Chekhov in blackface, with a phasor set to "Fabulous!"
Posted by: Fritz at July 06, 2015 04:03 PM (o/UmK)
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 06, 2015 04:01 PM (LkQLS)
We need to spread that meme far and wide, a la Harry Reid and pederasty.
"Hey, did you know 'Brad' Avakian used to be 'Bradella?' True story!"
Posted by: Retired Detroit public sector union member at July 06, 2015 04:04 PM (oKE6c)
When you have fewer lines than Uhuru, you know you're in the minor leagues
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 04:04 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Golfman at July 06, 2015 04:05 PM (3ITnz)
Posted by: wth at July 06, 2015 04:06 PM (wAQA5)
I'm proud to be a Pelican
At least I've got webbed feet!
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at July 06, 2015 04:06 PM (3ZtZW)
Like Trump. Like Sweet Cakes. I have one response for all these fuckers:
Fuck you. War.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 06, 2015 04:01 PM (q5APL)
This.
I'm a rational actor and an individual. By definition, no single person on Earth will agree with me on every issue under every condition. You pick the best of the bunch in each round - locals, primaries, generals, et al. and keep the pressure on the wobblers.
"I can't spare the man. He fights."
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 06, 2015 04:06 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 06, 2015 03:52 PM (VAsIq)
They don't want the damned cake. They don't even want their damned wedding. It's just a show. I'll bet the couple was a little pissed off that they had to actually go through with the wedding in order to justify their little trolling and their payday.
It also wouldn't surprise me that, in this case, it wasn't a setup. It's one thing to do it just to prove a point, it's another to do it for $100K.
They must have known the commissar would rule in their favor for big bucks. The government could have easily said there was none or little hardship here and that if they wanted an undecorated cake, the bakers could make it and they could pick it up themselves.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 06, 2015 04:06 PM (b65cm)
Posted by: Retired Detroit public sector union member at July 06, 2015 04:04 PM (oKE6c)
Change it to "Brenda," and you might make it stick.
Posted by: Country Singer at July 06, 2015 04:06 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 04:06 PM (XwF+S)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 04:04 PM
Come on, the man was exhausted. Eleven days is a long patrol.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2015 04:07 PM (h4vJk)
Zactly. *YOU* don't have any gag orders. Go nutz
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at July 06, 2015 04:07 PM (3ZtZW)
Some seem incapable of it. Others, like myself, think that politics is the last place that will be of any use in fixing things.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 04:07 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 06, 2015 04:01 PM (LkQLS)
****
Not to mention that there really is no surgical procedure called an "addadictomy". That was sort of a tip-off to me.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 06, 2015 04:07 PM (NeFrd)
suit started, but I wasn't part of the original suit. State law says I
can have a dock, but DNR disagrees.>>>
So a dock currently exists and you have the go ahead to build a new one? But they want the one there to be destroyed and you to build a new one. I can't imagine why I have such a low esteem for our govt overlords.
Posted by: Robinson at July 06, 2015 04:08 PM (1SHv1)
What an odd thing to say during a church service. Our ultimate loyalty to to Christ and the kingdom of God, but there is nothing against being a good citizen. In the bible confirms this. I must say I have talked about politics more during Obama's presidency than I have before (without ever telling them who to vote for or who i have voted for), but it's always in context of threats against the rights of Christians here and abroad. We always always pray- as we did yesterday- for the protraction and blessing of our country- and that our leaders would gain wisdom and a desire to serve more than be served.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2015 04:08 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 04:08 PM (XwF+S)
He needs a good talking-to. With a set of brass knucks.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2015 03:59 PM (St6BJ)
He needs a good impeachment conviction along with Roberts, Ginsberg, Sotomayor, Breyer and Kagan (and anyone else who feels the need to make up the text of the Constitution as the go).
Posted by: redbanzai at July 06, 2015 04:08 PM (OrI3J)
So, some of you trying to be clever are advocating avoiding anti-discrimination laws by . . . discriminating.
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 06, 2015 04:09 PM (ZvKdv)
"If it were a white pride weekend, or Christian, or straight pride weekend, would you wish people a great pride weekend? We know the answer Brad. You're what's wrong with this country. What a hypocrite.
Posted by: Cheri at July 06, 2015 04:09 PM (ZFPMM)
'Brad' Avakian was orginally Susan Avakian; she had an addadictomy, and presto! Brad! Avakian! is created. Really, at least according to Wikipedia.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max
We really -- really -- need to have an AoS poker night.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 06, 2015 04:09 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: John "never promoted beyond Capitan" McCain at July 06, 2015 04:09 PM (C8x6r)
Posted by: Just wants to be happy...not gay at July 06, 2015 04:10 PM (1boYR)
"American Woman" ad is real feminism...in beast mode
http://bit.ly/1HIJ5ZA
legalinsurrection.com
My friends and I started passing this ad around because it does none of that. It's about women succeeding, but it doesn't pander to our gender. It shows struggle and failure, but it resolves the struggle and failure by showing a strong, sweaty, powerful woman getting out of her own head, figuring it out, and getting herself going again.
Funny--I thought all that was impossible in today's America.
(There's also the matter of the very problematic shot of a whole line of female athletes putting their hands over their hearts. Pearls, prepare to be clutched.)
video at link
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 04:10 PM (qCMvj)
Render unto Caesar, bud.
I still think "what a stupid time to be alive" really sums things up best. We live in the Stupid Times. Soon to be the Burning Times.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 04:10 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 04:10 PM (XwF+S)
I agree that charity is necessary, but I think the many parish priests (in my area, at least) have fetishized helping the 'poor' to the exclusion of all other considerations, and largely this is out of reluctance to take stands on issues which may be unpopular.
Sermonizing on helping the poor is a safe thing to do. Nobody will object. So every week becomes homilies about helping the poor.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 06, 2015 04:11 PM (auetc)
Posted by: Ernst Röhm at July 06, 2015 04:11 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Just wants to be happy...not gay at July 06, 2015 04:10 PM
All your anus are belong to us!
Posted by: The Gheystapo at July 06, 2015 04:11 PM (h4vJk)
You would have really enjoyed my old synagogue.
We are no longer members.....the last straw was a plea for help for illegal day laborers, while the Pallies were in the midst of one of their rocket barrages against Israeli schools and hospitals.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 06, 2015 04:11 PM (7G/wk)
suit started, but I wasn't part of the original suit. State law says I
can have a dock, but DNR disagrees.>>>
****
If you like your dock you can keep your dock.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 06, 2015 04:11 PM (NeFrd)
people who can't afford to feed themselves in this country?"
We've spent trillions on the War on Poverty and gotten more poverty in return.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 04:11 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: wth at July 06, 2015 04:12 PM (wAQA5)
War on Poverty? *crickets*
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 04:12 PM (XwF+S)
The White House on Monday defended its immigration policies and blasted Republicans following the killing of a San Francisco woman - allegedly by an undocumented immigrant.
When asked if the case was a failure of the administration's enforcement policies, White House press secretary Josh Earnest chided Republicans for blocking a bipartisan immigration bill that would have boosted funding for border security.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 06, 2015 04:12 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Naes at July 06, 2015 04:12 PM (YhayY)
Oh by the way the proprietors of Sweet Cakes "mentally raped" the Gay Fascist couple.
Do not underestimate the power of the Force.
"I can't spare the man. He fights."
I've had that thought bouncing around in my head every time someone on the R side bitches about T.Rump, especially Mark Levine. Yes, T.Rump is a rent seeking, gun controlling, elitist son of a bitch, but damn if he doesn't fight.
Yes, he's an IED with a bad hair cut, but if he knocks out some RINOs or MFM types, then it'll be worth it.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at July 06, 2015 04:12 PM (1hM1d)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 06, 2015 04:13 PM (evdj2)
They're a Christian bakery: they won't make a bad cake because they're mad at someone. They will just choose to not make a cake and be punished for it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 04:13 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at July 06, 2015 04:13 PM (3ZtZW)
uh oh, my heart just stopped!.....ah there it goes.
Posted by: Bob in Houston at July 06, 2015 04:13 PM (b7AU3)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 06, 2015 04:12 PM
So....Monday?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2015 04:14 PM (h4vJk)
people who can't afford to feed themselves in this country?"
We've spent trillions on the War on Poverty and gotten more poverty in return.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 04:11 PM (oVJmc)
$16 billion?! Cheap! I'll take a dozen!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2015 04:14 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Caped Crusader at July 06, 2015 04:14 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2015 04:14 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 04:14 PM (wq4B0)
Oh by the way the proprietors of Sweet Cakes "mentally raped" the Gay Fascist couple.
So lesbians can be drama queens, too.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 04:14 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Lizzy at July 06, 2015 04:14 PM (NOIQH)
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Why can't the poor people row the ships? Good exercise too?
Posted by: Former Slave at July 06, 2015 04:14 PM (UhRGU)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 06, 2015 04:14 PM (evdj2)
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I'd say find a new parish - but that is sometimes easier said than done.
Posted by: SH at July 06, 2015 04:15 PM (gmeXX)
Looking at you Gov Abbott....
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2015 04:15 PM (78TbK)
Holy crap; I never even noticed that. You're right; that's a ridiculous price for a CVN.
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 06, 2015 04:15 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 06, 2015 04:13 PM
Non, no, no...Can't waste that fur. Just take them clubbing...
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2015 04:15 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 06, 2015 04:13 PM (evdj2)
They are the only ones that'll fit in the microwave.
Posted by: rebel flounder at July 06, 2015 04:15 PM (Vf5rR)
Support Mike Flynn for Congress - IL18
Yesterday at 9:28am
Calls are still be sent out stating that I'm Pro-abortion and Anti-Guns. They are both very untrue. I've been on record stating I'm Pro-Life and a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment. Don't believe what the push pollsters are telling you.
Boehner & Co.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 04:15 PM (qCMvj)
That sounds about right. Although I was once treated to a homily years ago about Global Warming that I almost walked out of.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 06, 2015 04:16 PM (auetc)
And he is bragging about the 100 people we have trained in Iraq?
What an asshole
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 04:16 PM (wq4B0)
Posted by: Cheri at July 06, 2015 04:16 PM (ZFPMM)
I was continually astounded that we were using the LEFT'S OWN ATTACK ADS to say we didn't "like" him, etc.
Excuse me? There are two sides: 1) GamerGate and 2) the SJWs.
And we are at WAR. Fuck you say threatened and ACTUAL boycotts don't work???!!!
Corporatists are the biggest cowards out there. There is one thing about those who love freedom have that the basement 30 sock puppet mother fucking SJWs don't - we have money. Boycott Macy's. Boycott NBC. Let's get these petitions MOVING AND GOING.
Now or never America. If you can't get off your ass to SIGN A FUCKING PETITION then you deserve the culture you get. Stalinist shit and all.
Posted by: prescient11 at July 06, 2015 04:16 PM (q5APL)
Posted by: SH at July 06, 2015 04:16 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 04:16 PM (wq4B0)
But there is no good faith. We know the left would demolish all the churches, imprison or murder the pastors, deprive the faithful of their livelihoods, and seize their children, if they thought they could get away with it. That is who they are.
And that is the underlying issue -- not these little battles about cakes and flowers. I think people are coming to terms with that reality now.
The Klavans of the world have it wrong, I think; people are not checking out of the political process because they are giving up. People are checking out because they realize that the appropriate response to these kinds of enemies is not to contest elections against them. A sheep does not vote with two wolves about what is for dinner.
Posted by: The Welshman at July 06, 2015 04:17 PM (Ck5RC)
The immediate thought that ran through my head was, "It's only be the grace of God that this country exists and allows you (for the time being) the freedom to stand in that pulpit, publicly advertised, and not conducting services in someone's cellar!"
Posted by: Country Singer at July 06, 2015 04:17 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: SH at July 06, 2015 04:17 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 04:17 PM (XwF+S)
Republicans following the killing of a San Francisco woman - allegedly
by an undocumented immigrant.
***
Could the relatives of the victim sue Obama personally for criminal negligence?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2015 04:17 PM (78TbK)
Posted by: SarahW at July 06, 2015 04:18 PM (lv2k0)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 04:16 PM (wq4B0)
You're stronger than I, for listening to him.
I can't stand to look at him, nor hear his voice. Makes me want to vomit.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 04:19 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 06, 2015 04:07 PM
Heh. ISWYDT.
Posted by: olddog in mo at July 06, 2015 04:19 PM (oKpFs)
Posted by: The Gay Fascist Community at July 06, 2015 04:19 PM (hiT/m)
Sure. Corrupt judges will probably dismiss it, but they can sue.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 06, 2015 04:19 PM (b65cm)
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2015 04:19 PM (78TbK)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 06, 2015 04:13 PM (evdj2)
They are the only ones that'll fit in the wood chipper.
FIFY
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at July 06, 2015 04:19 PM (UhRGU)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 06, 2015 04:13 PM (evdj2)
They are the only ones that'll fit in the wood chipper.
FIFY
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at July 06, 2015 04:19 PM (UhRGU)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 06, 2015 04:20 PM (D0NZx)
Posted by: Justice Anthony Kennedy at July 06, 2015 04:20 PM (b65cm)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 04:20 PM (XwF+S)
Posted by: SH at July 06, 2015 04:20 PM (gmeXX)
The space program gave us TANG, remote medical sensors, and computers.
War on Poverty? *crickets*
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 04:12 PM (XwF+S)
Velcro.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 06, 2015 04:20 PM (RWZqW)
Yesterday sermon was about the Lord's Prayer and since it was Holy Communion it was about the larger meaning of "Give us this day our daily bread' and Jesus himself being the bread of life.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2015 04:21 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: Dr Doom at July 06, 2015 04:21 PM (UhRGU)
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2015 04:19 PM
For violating a state law? No.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2015 04:21 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: SH at July 06, 2015 04:16 PM (gmeXX)
That would be nice, too
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 06, 2015 04:22 PM (auetc)
Who was a staunch opponent of gay marriage and the most famous gay American politician.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 06, 2015 04:22 PM (b65cm)
if we were all conducting services in someone's cellar we might all better preachers.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2015 04:22 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at July 06, 2015 04:23 PM (uPxUo)
I suppose the bakers (and the florists, and all the service businesses) could state up-front, that "so and so dollars will be donated to Ted Cruz, or Mike Flynn, etc, to filter the gay haters away.
Would they still insist if their money was donating to someone they don't support?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 04:23 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: 18-1 at July 06, 2015 04:19 PM
For violating a state law? No.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2015 04:21 PM (h4vJk)
Since the Constitution means nothing now,
yes.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 06, 2015 04:23 PM (b65cm)
He could issue an EO doing any number of things.
he could set the DOJ on the fascist vermin.
he could screw with anything that the Oregon Congressional delegation cared about
etc......
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 06, 2015 04:23 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 06, 2015 04:23 PM (Kucy5)
But his kids might sue for appropriating his name.
Heh.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 04:24 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2015 04:24 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2015 04:25 PM (OSs/l)
Who was a staunch opponent of gay marriage and the most famous gay American politician.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 06, 2015 04:22 PM (b65cm)
Most famous gay til Obama.
Well Hillary too.
Posted by: Golfman at July 06, 2015 04:25 PM (48QDY)
At least I've got webbed feet! Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand ****Pelicans are chewy AND crunchy. Quite delicious.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 06, 2015 04:25 PM (8marX)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 06, 2015 04:25 PM (Kucy5)
???
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 04:10 PM (XwF+S)
IIRC there was a "Nuke gay whales for Jesus!" bumper sticker.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 06, 2015 04:26 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 04:26 PM (XwF+S)
And as soon as they cross the Oregon border, start tweeting about their case incessantly.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 06, 2015 04:26 PM (eEb+d)
Posted by: mallfly at July 06, 2015 04:26 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: rebel flounder at July 06, 2015 04:27 PM (Vf5rR)
Posted by: Richard Dawkins at July 06, 2015 04:27 PM (xkSSa)
So they should let Avakian run them out of town?
What happens when there are no more states left to flee to?
Posted by: Lizzy at July 06, 2015 04:27 PM (NOIQH)
Another day in Islamic paradise.
Weasel Zippers
As Fredo threatens to veto Defense Budget
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 04:27 PM (wq4B0)
Posted by: Cheri at July 06, 2015 04:27 PM (ZFPMM)
Posted by: goon at July 06, 2015 04:27 PM (gy5kE)
This case is like a textbook study in how to use the power of the state to deprive people of their constitutional rights -- due process rights, religious freedom rights, free speech rights, etc.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 06, 2015 04:27 PM (kGrdk)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 06, 2015 04:27 PM (8marX)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 04:27 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 06, 2015 04:25 PM (Kucy5)
No shit. Oh wait, we thought you said "profits." Never mind.
Posted by: Enron at July 06, 2015 04:28 PM (2Ojst)
It is no wonder the little fascist has issued the gag order. The statement is moronic to the 10th power.
If it were just about the sexual orientation as the little Hitler claims, the Bakery would not sell any cakes to gays period. But the reality is that the Bakery would bake any other cake for them (e.g. Birthday cake) that would not infringe on the bakers religious freedoms.
So yes it is about the Wedding Cake and the "gay marriage" (no it still doesn't exist, no matter what power drunk SCOTUS says).
Down with Fascists.
Posted by: SOL at July 06, 2015 04:28 PM (uingK)
I made it 90 seconds before I lost my mind at his high school sophomorish ramblings.
Posted by: Chupacabras at July 06, 2015 04:28 PM (QFjNO)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 06, 2015 04:28 PM (NaeCR)
Does he know he's referring to Islam?
TFG is about as self-aware as gnurr.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 06, 2015 04:28 PM (eEb+d)
I know it's been said before, but this country does not deserve to survive in its current iteration. IF we're not going to abide by the Constitution, then I honestly don't care whether the US survives or not. If the US is going to be a crony-capitalist oligarchy or worse, then FWIW (admittedly very little) they can consider me one of their opponents.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 06, 2015 04:28 PM (nqiq9)
Posted by: wrg500 at July 06, 2015 04:28 PM (kQBSd)
Which we could accomplish by killing the shit out of them.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 06, 2015 04:29 PM (2Ojst)
Does he know he's referring to Islam?
Posted by: rebel flounder at July 06, 2015 04:27 PM (Vf5rR)
Whatever happened to "Kill the evil sons of bitches"?
Posted by: Iblis at July 06, 2015 04:29 PM (9221z)
Posted by: goon at July 06, 2015 04:29 PM (gy5kE)
Since when is it necessary to "discredit" the JV?
And with whom? And with what? Gay wedding cakes perhaps? Drone strikes? Transgender troops? Surrealistic spending and foreign policies?
Trying to shitcan weapons systems that are in-theater? Cozying up to Iran?
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 06, 2015 04:30 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Chupacabras at July 06, 2015 04:30 PM (QFjNO)
a good read
Good Luck Finding a Place to Hide as Global Markets Crumble
http://bloom.bg/1Cl4AQ5
Take the necessary precautions.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 04:30 PM (qCMvj)
Look!---->Squirrel!!!!
Stop talking about immigration!!!
Posted by: Lizzy at July 06, 2015 04:30 PM (NOIQH)
There are animals who do exhibit homosexual behavior. The problem with this whole line of argument (its natural, its evolved!) is that a whole host of godawful behavior is exhibited by animals which no sane person wants society to emulate or accept.
Eating of one's children, serial rape, genocide, etc etc.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 04:30 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 06, 2015 04:30 PM (8marX)
As long as that ship can deliver mooslamic compliant humanitarian food assistance, everything is all good.
Posted by: John at July 06, 2015 04:31 PM (C8x6r)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2015 04:31 PM (OSs/l)
_______________
No, they were punished for violating Oregon state laws. A president only has the power to pardon violation of federal offenses.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 06, 2015 04:31 PM (kGrdk)
Posted by: spypeach at July 06, 2015 04:32 PM (KTiWT)
War on Poverty? *crickets*
Posted by: Anna Puma
I believe that something like one out of every six people in the USA now work directly or indirectly for the Federal Government. It wasn't that way in the early '60s.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 06, 2015 04:32 PM (NHtMs)
Right now the collective GOPe central command is gathered to write the strongest rebuke possible against Donald Trump their feebled minds can conjure.
Gutless Eunics!
Posted by: Kreplach at July 06, 2015 04:32 PM (VvoVZ)
Posted by: goon at July 06, 2015 04:33 PM (gy5kE)
Posted by: wrg500 at July 06, 2015 04:28 PM (kQBSd)
While there have been some claims of gay animals, most cases of "gay" sex have later been found to be caused by over-enthusiasm and mis-identification while the animal involved was aroused.
In other words they were so horny they were fucking anything that moved and sorta-kinda looked like the right thing.
Posted by: Iblis at July 06, 2015 04:33 PM (9221z)
banning sh*t left and right
YOUTUBE CENSORS TRAILER FOR MOVIE THAT SHARES THE BIBLICAL VIEW OF HOMOSEXUALITY
I've watched this trailer and I simply can't find anything offensive in it whatsoever. It doesn't even get into the biblical arguments against homosexuality. Google must've censored it simply because they don't like that the movie presents the biblical view of homosexuality. Maybe they think the Bible is a scam or something:
therightscoop.com
This is what happens when you concede all media and "culture" to the left.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 04:33 PM (qCMvj)
...oh, wait a minute. The first sentence above is true, the rest is nonsense. Actually can't remember the last case I saw of serious malnutrition. I call B.S. on the left's hunger statistics.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 06, 2015 04:33 PM (NeFrd)
Me thinks that we will only see Christian based business'es targeted. Just a wild guess.
Posted by: Cheri at July 06, 2015 04:33 PM (ZFPMM)
Eating of one's children, serial rape, genocide, etc etc.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 04:30 PM (39g3+)
So if I identify as a dolphin, I should be able to get away with all manners of unsolicited sexual contributions.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 06, 2015 04:34 PM (2Ojst)
QF-969. The "Fabulous Flying Rainbow Tail Gunners" They will strike terror in the hearts of isis.
Posted by: John "never promoted beyond Capitan" McCain at July 06, 2015 04:34 PM (C8x6r)
Humans are different from most other mammals in that women don't go into heat. A female in heat pretty much brings every male of its species in the area calling for most mammals.
All the examples of 'gay' animals don't take that into account, to my knowledge.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 06, 2015 04:34 PM (auetc)
Can't look at the link, but I really don't think there is any safe place to put your money right now...
Posted by: Lea at July 06, 2015 04:35 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 06, 2015 04:35 PM (4SgJh)
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 06, 2015 04:35 PM (NjBm8)
If they want to have a business maybe they just need to go. I see your point, but how are they winning now? Who is legally supporting them?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2015 04:35 PM (OSs/l)
QF-969. The "Fabulous Flying Rainbow Tail Gunners" They will strike terror in the hearts of isis.
Posted by: John "never promoted beyond Capitan" McCain at July 06, 2015 04:34 PM (C8x6r)
Won't work. Engine parts will keep falling out of the exhaust ports.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 06, 2015 04:35 PM (2Ojst)
show me examples of gay animals? Are humans the only species that has
homosexuality?
Posted by: wrg500 at July 06, 2015 04:28 PM (kQBSd)
You'd think that there is surely a 'gay gene' or how else would such behavior always be present. As I understood it, genes are down down through procreation, thus the gay gene would be passed down though successful pairing.... wait...
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 06, 2015 04:35 PM (NaeCR)
The call, in which there were more than 100 participants, was organized by the liberal pro Iran group Ploughshares Fund, which has spent millions of dollars to slant Iran related coverage and protect the Obama administrations diplomatic efforts.
The White House officials described a nuclear deal with Iran as President Obamas signature foreign policy accomplishment and urged liberal groups to launch an all out lobbying campaign to pressure lawmakers, especially Democrats, to back the deal.
Progressive leaders on the call told participants to prepare for a real war and repeatedly declared that the other side will go crazy in the coming days. The call also included the anti war group MoveOn.org.
So they think we will go crazy? I guess it is worse than we think? They will fight us harder than they fought the Iranians
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 04:35 PM (wq4B0)
Posted by: righter
We don't do anything we don't feel like doing asshole. We hate interracial couples, Joooooooooz and Gays.
Go find a gay, interracial Joooooooo couple; watch us hate on them.
Posted by: Nation of islam at July 06, 2015 04:35 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Insomniac at July 06, 2015 04:34 PM (2Ojst)
Only in a pool.
Posted by: Iblis at July 06, 2015 04:35 PM (9221z)
Posted by: Infidel at July 06, 2015 04:36 PM (54D5/)
"Astronomers Claim Philae Probe May Have Discovered "Alien Microbes" On Comet
The team has put its research on hold, as they are very busy donning shirts that show women in positions of authority and confidence such as Buffy the Vampire Slayer "
Under Oregon law since 2012, every scientific experiment must employ an angry lesbian to approve the participating scientists' wardrobe.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 06, 2015 04:36 PM (Kucy5)
The last I heard, the US Government was the world's largest organization and employs some 18M people.
I'd need some backup on those numbers, but that's what I remember.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 06, 2015 04:36 PM (eEb+d)
****
"Hey fella, I got a truckload of 12 W light bulbs, addressed to this location. Where am I supposed to unload them? Okay, sign here!"
Posted by: Muldoon, unloading at a SF bathhouse loading dock at July 06, 2015 04:36 PM (NeFrd)
"I'm so drunk!" - The mating call of the sorority sister.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 06, 2015 04:36 PM (2Ojst)
Eating of one's children, serial rape, genocide, etc etc."***
Always my default response from the crowd which likes to cite the extremely rare instances of purely homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom.
Shuts 'em right the fvck up.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 06, 2015 04:36 PM (xSCb6)
When we start hitting numbers like this, the only sane, logical thing to do is nuke everyone's military assets in a surprise attack - potential enemies and allies alike - anyone with the technology to make post-1950's era weaponry.
Declare the U.S. the sole military power on earth and use the existing army/navy/air force to destroy any attempt by anyone to arm.
Savings would be about half a trillion per year.
Collect tribute from all the remaining countries for keeping the peace in the amount of a trillion or so per year.
Build the liberals a fast train.
Everyone comes out happy.
Posted by: jwest at July 06, 2015 04:36 PM (9ZZd+)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 04:37 PM (39g3+)
the balls
breitbart
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 04:27 PM (qCMvj)
Doesn't matter. They were stupid to do this. Their best play was to ignore this crime altogether. Now they've validated the story.
And no matter how you spin it, the basic story is that an illegal immigrant, who was deported 5 times, went to San Francisco because it was a sanctuary city and killed a woman.
It's a simple story and no matter how you spin it, the amnesty side loses out.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 06, 2015 04:37 PM (b65cm)
A good way to do that permanently is killing them.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 06, 2015 04:37 PM (g1DWB)
***
Poorly-phrased euphemistic sock off.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 06, 2015 04:38 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Kal at July 06, 2015 04:38 PM (XoqA4)
just watch it, if you haven't already seen it
you'll get misty eyed, and it's a good thing
http://bit.ly/1gjWjBM
SOLDIER SURPRISES YOUNG SON AT BASEBALL GAME AFTER RETURNING HOME FROM OVERSEAS
This is something heartwarming and just plain awesome to start the day. From what I understand it happened on July 4th.
therightscoop
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 06, 2015 04:38 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Insomniac at July 06, 2015 04:34 PM (2Ojst)
Only in a pool.
Posted by: Iblis at July 06, 2015 04:35 PM (9221z)
Water parks, here I come!
Posted by: Insomniac at July 06, 2015 04:38 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Cheri at July 06, 2015 04:38 PM (ZFPMM)
Does he realize he is saying that he has to discredit the Koran?
And the Koran was written by Muhammed.
And that it was Obama has said "The future cannot belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam."
So, Obama is saying he has to slander the prophet to discredit ISIS?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 06, 2015 04:38 PM (NjiZL)
In honor of the Navy's new diversity goal I have introduced legislation a new Naval Rank.
The "Fabulous Admiral" will stand right behind the Rear Admiral.
Posted by: John at July 06, 2015 04:38 PM (C8x6r)
They were just some guys from the neighborhood............wait.
Posted by: JEF at July 06, 2015 04:38 PM (Spluw)
I'd need some backup on those numbers, but that's what I remember."***
The problem in getting accurate numbers is the Federal Contracting system. If you add that in the mix, the numbers get stupid.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 06, 2015 04:38 PM (xSCb6)
In honor of the Navy's new diversity goal I have introduced legislation a new Naval Rank.
The "Fabulous Admiral" will stand right behind the Rear Admiral.
Posted by: John at July 06, 2015 04:38 PM (C8x6r)
It's a TRAP!!!
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at July 06, 2015 04:39 PM (2Ojst)
Hmmm, lesson learned ... the veiled suggestion of violence works.
Posted by: Jean at July 06, 2015 04:39 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 04:39 PM (oVJmc)
Meh it could be. But the evolution is bound to be more memetic than genetic, as it seems to be a variation found strictly in settled societies, usually the most successful of the local/regional societies, rather than as any particular technological point. So the Romans, Greeks etc, but also us, the UK etc.
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at July 06, 2015 04:39 PM (3ZtZW)
And no matter how you spin it, the basic story is that an illegal immigrant, who was deported 5 times, went to San Francisco because it was a sanctuary city and killed a woman.
It's a simple story and no matter how you spin it, the amnesty side loses out.
Posted by: AmishDude
+1
There's a certain common sense that even the dumbest LIV is going to come to a different conclusion.
I don't care what the polls say, the American electorate is adamantly against some sort of blanket amnesty deal.
The main reason Trump is surging is because he's the one guy that's not afraid to address it.
Posted by: Kal at July 06, 2015 04:39 PM (XoqA4)
Posted by: Insomniac at July 06, 2015 04:40 PM (2Ojst)
a friend on fb today linked an article from a religious magazine/news source that said a religious rights group had obtained emails showing networking between Avakian and the premier Oregon gay rights group, including Avakian's office/campaign buying several hundred dollars worth of tickets to one of the nonprofit's events, and the group donating to his (Avakian's) campaign, in the low thousands.
Don't know the full of it, but that looks worth looking into for the conflict of interest value to the story !
Posted by: barbarausa at July 06, 2015 04:40 PM (DyGWm)
He was doing half-way decent up to that point, but when I heard that it was like fingernails on a chalkboard and I tuned out. WTF is wrong with this a-hole? Why can't he give a simple policy speech about terrorism without insulting half the country? I've come to expect nothing less from this jerk but still after 6+ years it still stuns me when he does it.
Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at July 06, 2015 04:40 PM (1BQGO)
______________________
They've done far worse than that. They've put the word out in central American countries that the door is open and they're welcome to come in and get American money.
In Mexico, the Obama administration is using our tax dollars to advertise, in Spanish and in Mexican border states, the fact that the Obama administration pays out billions of dollars a year in food stamps to known illegal aliens.
They've flown in illegal alien kids and teenagers from central America, at U.S. taxpayer expense. They're providing illegal aliens with "free" immigration lawyers, at U.S. taxpayer expense.
They've threatened Border Patrol agents with firings and/or demotions if they do their actual job of picking up and detaining illegal aliens -- instead, BP agents have been forced to work as taxi drivers and nannies and cooks for illegal aliens.
And worst of all, the administration has released tens of thousands of known VIOLENT criminal illegal aliens -- rapists, murderers, child molesters, etc. -- into American communities, instead of deporting them. Their home countries don't want these vermin criminals back, for all the obvious reasons, and so the administration just dumps them into U.S. neighborhoods -- and does nothing to retaliate (which it has the power to do, under U.S. law, by taking steps such as suspending the issuance of U.S. visas to those countries that refuse to take back their own criminal citizens).
It is official Obama administration policy now that the U.S. can be used as a dumping ground for all the world's poor and criminal classes -- and all the world knows it, and is taking advantage of it.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 06, 2015 04:41 PM (kGrdk)
Having had a kid, I can verify that mine didn't get full until he was almost 20 years old.
I haven't seen a child yet who wasn't hungry all the time. Even my Little G'Dette will get fed before her parents bring her over here, and she'll still raid the fridge several times an hour.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 06, 2015 04:41 PM (eEb+d)
That's old school.
Posted by: Uber at July 06, 2015 04:42 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 06, 2015 04:42 PM (nqiq9)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2015 04:42 PM (OSs/l)
Not currently.
They all seemed to die off...
for some reason.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 06, 2015 04:42 PM (VPLuQ)
Even if she signs a waiver and cries out "yes, please" with every thrust, its still rape according to feminists because of impaired judgment. Unless you're really rich and hunky, but then its still rape if she changes her mind and wants hush money or more attention from you later.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 04:43 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: prescient11 at July 06, 2015 04:43 PM (q5APL)
Posted by: Kal at July 06, 2015 04:38 PM (XoqA4)
???
When is violence not the answer?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 04:43 PM (wq4B0)
Posted by: steevy at July 06, 2015 04:44 PM (sPO3u)
Posted by: John "never promoted beyond Capitan" McCain at July 06, 2015 04:44 PM (C8x6r)
But I think you should find some way to send your post to Trump and to every other person on the R side running for President. :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2015 04:44 PM (OSs/l)
remember the last case I saw of serious malnutrition. I call B.S. on
the left's hunger statistics.
Billions in gummint money, food subsidies, etc.
Our poor are fatter than anyone.
Its all about feeding bureaucrats and politicians.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 04:44 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 06, 2015 04:44 PM (nqiq9)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 04:44 PM (oVJmc)
link in name, I hope
Posted by: jjod3 at July 06, 2015 04:45 PM (0r7PZ)
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 06, 2015 04:45 PM (nqiq9)
Posted by: Insomniac
President Camacho was brave and genuinely concerned about solving the problems facing the country.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 06, 2015 04:45 PM (/Ho8c)
All the examples of 'gay' animals don't take that into account, to my knowledge.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 06, 2015 04:34 PM (auetc)
They also found that many times a male that had successfully mated with a female might be accosted by less successful males because of the female scent markers on him.
The idea that "gayness" is intrinsic like being black is a lie to justify their inclusion in anti-discrimination laws. We know human biology is designed for heterosexual reproduction. Outside of the modern western world, homosexuality is recognized as a choice. In some south pacific cultures young men were expected to be exclusively gay until they were of marriage age. Then they were to be exclusively heterosexual when married (A change modern western gays say is impossible). Other cultures required young boys to fellate older men in order to become men themselves. You'll also find homosexuality practiced in polygamous cultures to keep the younger men away from the younger girls the older more established men covet. Which is funny because usually you have polygamy before you have homosexuality, but here we've reversed that. Heh.
Posted by: Iblis at July 06, 2015 04:45 PM (9221z)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 06, 2015 04:45 PM (evdj2)
The space program gave us TANG, remote medical sensors, and computers.
War on Poverty? *crickets*
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 06, 2015 04:12 PM (XwF+S)
Computers were initially developed for naval gunnery, not the space program.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 06, 2015 04:45 PM (GpgJl)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 06, 2015 04:46 PM (ZKzrr)
You'd prolly have to think back on adolescent girls with eating disorders to remember one anyway
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at July 06, 2015 04:46 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: 1bulwetweft
I have to confess, one of my male cats does keep trying to mount one of the others (both altered). It's a bit weird.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 06, 2015 04:46 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: jjod3 at July 06, 2015 04:45 PM (0r7PZ)
Hey, thumbs up on the hot ginger with the sword.
Dayum.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 06, 2015 04:46 PM (nqiq9)
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at July 06, 2015 04:47 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 04:44 PM (oVJmc)
Originally hunting dogs till some hairdresser got a hold of them.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 06, 2015 04:47 PM (kQBSd)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier
Someone tell that to the Tyson corporation!!
Posted by: The Chicken at July 06, 2015 04:47 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 06, 2015 04:47 PM (VPLuQ)
588 "If homosexuality is a natural evolution, can anyone show me examples of gay animals?
Cats.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 06, 2015 04:45 PM (nqiq9)
I have never seen a male cat try to hump another male cat. I have however seen males dogs try that.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 06, 2015 04:47 PM (GpgJl)
Our poor are fatter than anyone.
Its all about feeding bureaucrats and politicians.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel
It's also about big business like grocery stores, agribusiness, etc.
That's a big reason why Republicans have looked the other way at our food stamp explosion. Chamber of Commerce types are all about continuing this gravy train.
These programs need to be reformed similar to how welfare was in the mid nineties. Put a time limit on it, kick it to the states, etc.
No one is going to go hungry in this country, that's such an absurd premise. We should have soup kitchens and make these people feel humiilated instead of handing them credit cards,
Posted by: Kal at July 06, 2015 04:48 PM (XoqA4)
My son is joining the cross country Team. He's 15. I expect the food bills to go way up!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2015 04:48 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: Country Singer at July 06, 2015 03:21 PM
With or without the gimp mask?
Posted by: Smokey Behr at July 06, 2015 04:48 PM (t78PZ)
That an a very early version of computerized tic tac toe. But mostly the tic tac toe
Posted by: A guy who cant remember much at July 06, 2015 04:49 PM (C8x6r)
I agree. He continually crypto-defends (and often not so crypto) Islam, yet never asks them to include Christians or, heaven forbid, Jews, in their tolerance. Then he goes on and talks about how our 'values' are critical in destroying them, but he never says what those 'values' are. He then says that a better alternative needs to replace what they have, but the JEF never explains what that alternative is.
I can go on and on, but the other thing that really frosted me was his assertion that a strong economy is critical for our universities to create things that support our military. Hey dumbfcuk, it is LIBERTY and ECONOMIC FREEDOM, that allow the PEOPLE to create these things, not the parasitic gubmint.
It depresses me that people don't seem to see through this incompetent fool.
That is all.
Posted by: Ian Galt at July 06, 2015 04:49 PM (dmepw)
Posted by: Moderate Salami
The catnip is cheap and stale, the mouse is fake and stuck under the couch, and they moved the potted plants out of reach.
And here I am, stuck in Casa Salami, with an impaired salami.
Posted by: The Cat at July 06, 2015 04:49 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 04:44 PM (oVJmc)
Originally hunting dogs till some hairdresser got a hold of them.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 06, 2015 04:47 PM
Gaynines.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2015 04:50 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 06, 2015 04:50 PM (4SgJh)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 06, 2015 04:50 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 06, 2015 04:47 PM (GpgJl)
Well, the cat was asking for it.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 06, 2015 04:51 PM (nqiq9)
Posted by: Kal at July 06, 2015 04:38 PM (XoqA4)
???
When is violence not the answer?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 04:43 PM (wq4B0)
583 Where is ace anyway?
Posted by: steevy
Well, he's not reading this thread. That's fer sure.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 06, 2015 04:51 PM (NHtMs)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 06, 2015 04:51 PM (VPLuQ)
I'd vote for him in an instant, no matter what his policies are. He'd be entertaining as hell in office, and at this point, that's what we need.
Regarding homosexual animals: I have heard of a dog that preferred guy dogs, and had no interest in even bitches in heat or the ottoman. What that means I don't know but he'd try to mount male animals and ignore female. Homosexual or just insane? messed up chemical receptors? Its impossible to know.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 04:51 PM (39g3+)
_______________________
You're welcome.
I live near the southern border. Obama's lawlessness absolutely enrages me. He is destroying and endangering Americans' lives, and giving away our money and our sovereignty -- which are NOT his to give -- and our so-called representatives in congress do nothing to stop him.
It's long past time for Americans to rise up and put a stop to this bastard's treason.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 06, 2015 04:51 PM (kGrdk)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2015 04:50 PM (h4vJk)
Nominated for thread winner.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 06, 2015 04:52 PM (nqiq9)
Hell, at this point President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho would be an improvement.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 06, 2015 04:40 PM (2Ojst)
Yep, he's a goofball. But he's a certified badass who completely, passionately, fiercely loves this country. And he's humble enough to hire the Smartest Man In The World to fix things when he realized he was in over his head.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 06, 2015 04:52 PM (RWZqW)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 06, 2015 04:53 PM (GpgJl)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 06, 2015 04:44 PM (oVJmc)
In many primitive societies obesity is a sign of wealth and prosperity.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 06, 2015 04:54 PM (NaeCR)
I have never seen a male cat try to hump another male cat. I have however seen males dogs try that.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 06, 2015 04:47 PM (GpgJl)
Well, the cat was asking for it.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 06, 2015 04:51 PM (nqiq9)
That cat was the best fuck I ever had.
Posted by: Steve Martin at July 06, 2015 04:54 PM (RWZqW)
Posted by: Jeb, Mitt, and John at July 06, 2015 04:54 PM (C8x6r)
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 06, 2015 04:54 PM (4SgJh)
Actually, the real poodle - not the toy poodle, but the full size model - is a pretty intimidating animal. Its just that when some little twit girl shaves the dog in a humiliating manner and carries them around in her purse that they turn into useless trash.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 06, 2015 04:54 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Lincolntf at July 06, 2015 04:54 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 06, 2015 04:55 PM (/Ho8c)
Heh. No one who has ever had one wonders why they're called "kids," i.e. small goats that'll eat pretty much anything.
Little BBoy^2 came crawling out of the kitchen one day, humming because his mouth was completely full of...
...wait for it...
...dog food.
And by "completely full," I'm talking chipmunk cheeks. He had eaten a lot of the dog's food we kept out for them.
A. Lot.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 06, 2015 04:55 PM (eEb+d)
As Joe Scarborough would say, things are looking up!
Posted by: MTF at July 06, 2015 04:57 PM (DkJ4E)
In canines, mounting is a dominance signifier that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with mating.
Posted by: torquewrench at July 06, 2015 04:58 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Kal at July 06, 2015 04:38 PM (XoqA4)
???
When is violence not the answer?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
I was referring to the wedding cake/gag order/lesbian couple nonsense.
Sorry, I don't see lawfare or better politicians/judges being the answer in those situations of severe injustice.
Posted by: Kal at July 06, 2015 04:58 PM (13G+x)
364 Go to a Catholic church in the l.a. area and you're gonna get a sermon about illegals and how awesome they are and how much more of your money they deserve. EVERY TIME.
You're not gonna have a good time.
Posted by: MAx at July 06, 2015 05:02 PM (YJeFl)
On August 7, 2013, the newspaper laid off 26 staff members, including 17 journalists.
Posted by: Old Guy at July 06, 2015 05:02 PM (oXkj8)
Posted by: PaleRider at July 06, 2015 05:03 PM (dkExz)
+1000
The idea that conservatives are just supposed to wait until a judge with common sense and decency is going to ride in on a white horse and stop this insanity is the stuff of fantasy.
Everyone involved in that lawsuit should be tarred and feathered, and I don't mean metaphorically.
Posted by: Kal at July 06, 2015 05:05 PM (13G+x)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 06, 2015 05:05 PM (NaeCR)
Posted by: Little Boomer at July 06, 2015 05:07 PM (ZuVs9)
Posted by: Dr Greensleeve at July 06, 2015 05:07 PM (pxa+R)
http://bit.ly/1HIm7Up
Posted by: kiffen at July 06, 2015 05:07 PM (epKv1)
But I can say that I've personally pissed off a state assistant attorney general. So I guess I have that going for me.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 06, 2015 05:15 PM (Lqy/e)
Posted by: Cowboyneal at July 06, 2015 05:36 PM (cA3on)
Posted by: Cowboyneal at July 06, 2015 05:38 PM (cA3on)
Posted by: biscuits mahoney at July 06, 2015 05:39 PM (MIqBm)
You believed the homosexual movement was interested in love and monogamy? Hello?
Posted by: biscuits mahoney at July 06, 2015 05:41 PM (MIqBm)
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at July 06, 2015 05:51 PM (xetep)
Posted by: Richard Dawkins at July 06, 2015 05:58 PM (xkSSa)
And he is bragging about the 100 people we have trained in Iraq?
What an asshole
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 06, 2015 04:16 PM (wq4B0)
Kiwis have trained as many in the last 3 mths.
Posted by: NZ Frank at July 06, 2015 06:02 PM (bgJ0E)
They should go rogue like that dad in New England did when the state kidnapped his daughter and denied her medical care. They gag ordered him too but he went public and found sympathy. No punishment that I recall for him disobeying.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at July 06, 2015 06:03 PM (xetep)
just considered a commodity devoid of speech content, so a bakery open
to the public indeed would have to bake the "gay wedding cake." As long
as there were a line.
Posted by: The Welshman at July 06, 2015 04:17 PM (Ck5RC)
In what sort of reasonable world, Welshman, do you consider it OK for a private business owner to "have to bake a cake" under any circumstances. The Kleins labor is their own so, in addition to them have the right to follow their religious conscience, they have the right to not have their labor unwillingly hijacked.
Posted by: redbanzai at July 06, 2015 06:15 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: AnnaS at July 06, 2015 06:53 PM (P+I7L)
Posted by: RosalindJ at July 06, 2015 07:37 PM (JJBHN)
Then they would find out what oppression is really about, from the "realign of peace and light", for the rest of their deaths.
Posted by: Heltau at July 06, 2015 07:44 PM (MXPs3)
Posted by: CrustyB at July 06, 2015 08:00 PM (Hnglq)
https://www.continuetogive.com/helpsweetcakesbymelissa
Posted by: JS at July 06, 2015 09:40 PM (eBFKC)
Donations there to pay the fine and keep fighting the legal battle. Be warned, it's a website for religious people, but the regular fundraising sites threw the cake criminals off.
If those who object don't fund the fight, then those who object have only themselves to blame for the results, which will not be pretty. It is easy to crush a bunch of little businesses. It is not easy to crush the entire public.
Posted by: MaxedOutMama at July 06, 2015 10:47 PM (HkzUZ)
Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at July 07, 2015 01:23 AM (Bbcs8)
2. Same people applying for work are legally discriminated against via affirmative-action. Because government.
3. Everyone is equal but some are more equal than others. Because government.
Posted by: Dean Strong at July 07, 2015 03:54 PM (x18S2)
Anyone who compares some minor embarrassment to the devastation of sexual violence has probably never experienced real pain his his life.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at July 09, 2015 06:46 PM (wV2Kr)
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Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)