Perry Emerges as Leading Trump Critic

if you want to draw a crowd, pick a fight.

Posted by: Ace at 11:03 AM

Comments

1 tl:dr

Truth is, Perry should be staking out parts of the Trump positions without the provocative delivery. If you want to diminish his support, take it for yourself, Rick.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 03, 2015 11:06 AM (oVJmc)

2 Instead, Perry goes for the weak sauce.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 03, 2015 11:07 AM (oVJmc)

3 >>He emphatically urged his party to work harder to connect with black voters and suggested the GOP has occasionally focused too much on state rights at the expense of civil rights.

Interesting position for a Republican from Texas.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 03, 2015 11:08 AM (g1DWB)

4 the GOP has occasionally focused too much on state rights at the expense of civil rights.

Perhaps Perry is thinking of his days as a Democrat.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 03, 2015 11:09 AM (oVJmc)

5
It's fucking idiotic.

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 03, 2015 11:10 AM (0lw2Y)

6 I prefer what Ted Cruz had to say about the Donald.

Posted by: se pa moron at July 03, 2015 11:11 AM (xQX/f)

7 Ace Emerges as Leading WeirdDave Critic.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 03, 2015 11:11 AM (Dj0WE)

8 Bad med reaction?

Posted by: Hadoop at July 03, 2015 11:12 AM (2X7pN)

9 He is playing long ball by hitting soft liners foul.
{^~^}

Posted by: Charles Johnson at July 03, 2015 11:12 AM (LPHFE)

10 Ace Emerges as Leading WeirdDave Critic.

Heh. It's his blog, I'm just the comic relief. I went back into draft for a bit.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 03, 2015 11:12 AM (WvS3w)

11 Perry flame out part deux?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 03, 2015 11:13 AM (W5DcG)

12 FREE WEIRDDAVE!!

Posted by: Mumia at July 03, 2015 11:13 AM (YFw5T)

13
Youre sending the wrong message to the electorate, you stupid jerks.

Youre saying that theres nothing to criticize any Democrats about so we need to attack Trump, an R candidate.

Perry is a dope, anyway.

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 03, 2015 11:13 AM (0lw2Y)

14 >> the GOP has occasionally focused too much on state rights at the expense of civil rights

Like what?

What civil rights need a focus right now?

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 03, 2015 11:14 AM (0xTsz)

15
Im calling the R's stupid jerks, btw, not you lot of stupid jerks.

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 03, 2015 11:14 AM (0lw2Y)

16 But seriously, if I was willing to seriously consider Republican candidates for President, and I'm not doing that right now, I would seriously reconsider considering Perry.

Before I do however, it seems likely to me he's going to successfully take himself out of the running with enough others who are NOT willing to reconsider him.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 03, 2015 11:14 AM (Dj0WE)

17 the GOP has occasionally focused too much on state rights at the expense of civil rights.

*toilet flush*

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at July 03, 2015 11:14 AM (CFcIt)

18 Perry is a dope, anyway.

I love his glasses.

Posted by: Marie Harf at July 03, 2015 11:15 AM (W5DcG)

19 Friday, I hope everyone is feeling gay today...

Posted by: Colin at July 03, 2015 11:15 AM (WQLtV)

20 Here in SF, a 32 year old woman was with her father on Pier 14 (which is not a bad part of town, it is close to the new cruise ship terminal) when an illegal alien mexican with prior offenses, out on parole, shot her for no reason. She died 2 hours later.

Then, the news crew that reported the story got jacked and all their gear stolen.

Tell me again how Trump was lying.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at July 03, 2015 11:15 AM (JgC5a)

21 The glasses just don't do it for me.

Posted by: SE Cupp, Severe Conservative at July 03, 2015 11:15 AM (YFw5T)

22 "What civil rights need a focus right now? "

Perhaps religious rights and freedoms, and the protections to be granted to them.

Just off the top of my head.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 03, 2015 11:15 AM (VPLuQ)

23 Is there anybody who thinks Donald Trump is really a Republican?

Perry actually can make a good case that, unlike Mitt Romney in the last two primary cycles, he is saving his criticism for Democrats.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at July 03, 2015 11:16 AM (QHgTq)

24
Perry 2016: Something's Gone Wrong Again*

*https://youtu.be/gqhy0gONfPo

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 03, 2015 11:16 AM (kdS6q)

25 Heh. It's his blog, I'm just the comic relief. I went back into draft for a bit.
Posted by: Weirddave at July 03, 2015 11:12 AM (WvS3w)

If it's any consolation WD, I was still reading when it vaporized.

Please repost later.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at July 03, 2015 11:16 AM (CFcIt)

26 Does he think that he's punching up?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at July 03, 2015 11:17 AM (n3WEd)

27 Friday, I hope everyone is feeling gay today...

I do feel like I'm being sodomized, yes.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 03, 2015 11:17 AM (oVJmc)

28 I prefer what Ted Cruz had to say about the Donald.

This.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 03, 2015 11:18 AM (sH832)

29 So....I'm guessing Perry is being advised by the same stellar campaign consultants that helped McCain and Romney become president?

Also, what did Cruz say?

Posted by: Lizzy at July 03, 2015 11:18 AM (NOIQH)

30
Is there anybody who thinks Donald Trump is really a Republican?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole

Well -- Trump has never held elected office as an Democrat.

Some people can't say that. *cough*

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 03, 2015 11:18 AM (kdS6q)

31 >He emphatically urged his party to work harder to connect with black voters and suggested the GOP has occasionally focused too much on state rights at the expense of civil rights.

Interesting position for a Republican from Texas.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 03, 2015 11:08 AM (g1DWB)

Mmm, Perry back on pain meds again?

Posted by: Jen the original at July 03, 2015 11:18 AM (WV80V)

32 So Perry has three reasons to oppose Trump: he disagrees with his assessment of illegals; Trump has no experience in active border control, unlike Perry; and he can't remember the third reason.

Posted by: Kate58 at July 03, 2015 11:19 AM (MvtKs)

33 Anyone who criticises Trump the buffoon is okay in my book.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 03, 2015 11:19 AM (Zu3d9)

34 Perry or Walker would make the best President. Whether they can get the job is the question. Romney, fuck him, was probably the right guy for the times based on his business experience, and the polity rejected him.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 03, 2015 11:20 AM (rwI+c)

35 "Let me say," Perry said, "I don't think Donald Trump's remarks reflect the Republican Party."

Gov. Perry, unintentionally illustrating the problem, in a nutshell.

TRUMP '16: Because You F***ers Have It Coming

Posted by: Brother Cavil, by the Pale Moon light at July 03, 2015 11:20 AM (m9V0o)

36 No Guts (or nuts, if you prefer) No Glory

Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2015 11:20 AM (VZt/i)

37 So focusing on state's rights is a dog whistle for opposing gay marriage. Which Perry must believe is a civil right.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 03, 2015 11:20 AM (WV80V)

38
Is Trump sincere? Who knows.

But heres what I do know:
i) Trump is more in line with Me than anyone else.
ii) He has balls.
iii) I KNOW the R's are insincere AND theyre political cowards.

Ill go with Trump.

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 03, 2015 11:21 AM (0lw2Y)

39 26 Does he think that he's punching up?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at July 03, 2015 11:17 AM (n3WEd)

Nah.

He pulled the face curtain, the canopy has blown away and he's looking around at the cockpit wondering why the ejection rockets didn't fire....

in #twoweeks

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at July 03, 2015 11:21 AM (CFcIt)

40 Here in SF, a 32 year old woman was with her father on Pier 14 (which is not a bad part of town, it is close to the new cruise ship terminal) when an illegal alien mexican with prior offenses, out on parole, shot her for no reason. She died 2 hours later.

Then, the news crew that reported the story got jacked and all their gear stolen.

Tell me again how Trump was lying.
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at July 03, 2015 11:15 AM (JgC5a)
_____________________________

Shut up, peasant! In the new world order, "citizens of the world" like Obama rule, and they have decreed that your raaaaacist country's borders will be overrun with all sorts of third world criminals, and you will STFU and take it.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 03, 2015 11:22 AM (kGrdk)

41 Bush/Christie/Perry 2016! (now that polygamy's okay)

Posted by: Kate58 at July 03, 2015 11:22 AM (MvtKs)

42 Then, the news crew that reported the story got jacked and all their gear stolen

Not only that, but they refused to give descriptions of the perp. In the case of the poor lady on Pier 14, it was "a man".

When the news crew got mugged and their gear stolen, they refused to give a description. It was "a man".

"He looka like a man".

Everybody is Miss Swan.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 03, 2015 11:22 AM (sH832)

43 This Trump thing is a mess.

He's the strawman incarnate. So no instead of discussing the fact that: yes, the boarder is porous and the cartel violence spills over it (in part because the US is their market) the media is busy talking about how Trump disrespected the families that just want to make a better life for themselves or some shit.

Listen, there is a serious issue here, regardless of what you think about amnesty or immigration reform or whatever. But all Trump did was reduce it to a set of easy democrat talking points for the media to run 24/7.

Way to go jackass.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at July 03, 2015 11:22 AM (s92xH)

44 Heh. It's his blog, I'm just the comic relief. I went back into draft for a bit.
Posted by: Weirddave at July 03, 2015 11:12 AM (WvS3w)

If it's any consolation WD, I was still reading when it vaporized.

Please repost later.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at July 03, 2015 11:16 AM (CFcIt)

Yup. I do hope you all appreciate though, that I am single-handedly trying to re-introduce the concept of mentioning things like an enstompening in a more clever and original way.

We have all too often resorted to using time-tested AoSHQ phrasing, and I believe it is high time we improve on that. Come on, people. We're better than that!

Posted by: BurtTC at July 03, 2015 11:22 AM (Dj0WE)

45
A man shot a woman dead in SF for no reason. All they will say is that he is from TX. They dont say if he is here legally. They never do...

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 03, 2015 11:22 AM (iQIUe)

46
Perry emphatically urged his party to work harder to connect with black voters

https://youtu.be/A2EG-MY73ig?t=1m5s

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 03, 2015 11:23 AM (kdS6q)

47 Of course now the local news is saying the guy who shot that lady in SF was from Texas.

Yeah, he was on parole in Texas, and has been deported a few times. What does "deported" mean? They sent him to Toledo?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 03, 2015 11:24 AM (sH832)

48 Now if we could get a governor to emerge as the leading Hilary! critic.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at July 03, 2015 11:24 AM (n3WEd)

49 the GOP has occasionally focused too much on state rights at the expense of civil rights

The most attractive thing about Perry in the last Presidential Primary, aside from Texas' state economy,

was his strong stance on Federalism.

Which is "State's rights".

There is almost no way to reduce the abuses of the Fed gov't and reduce it's size without citing and using the 10th amendment.

Perry just dropped out of my top three unless he can clarify his remarks-

I'm not looking for some pacified house cat, I want a Bengal Tiger....

...(that is not a Jindal recommendation).

Posted by: naturalfake at July 03, 2015 11:25 AM (KUa85)

50 They dont say if he is here legally. They never do...

Actually, KRON 4 finally said it this morning - so hats off to them I know it must have been hard.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 03, 2015 11:25 AM (sH832)

51 Trump is a bar stool candidate who unfortunately has the money to indulge his fantasy of telling Washington how it should be done. That said, I do find him entertaining.

Posted by: flmomof4 at July 03, 2015 11:26 AM (nSjrf)

52

Not a Trump fan, but

"Let me say," Perry said, "I don't think Donald Trump's remarks reflect the Republican Party."

doesn't really help. This is actually an asset.

The Republican Party does not reflect most of us conservatives.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: finishing up my Cherry Pie at July 03, 2015 11:26 AM (qCMvj)

53 Trump is such a fraud. Yet, this is what you end up getting when a significant portion of the base reaches the conclusion that voting for a R will ultimately gain you a couple of centimeters of space from where you'd be with the Dem.

When people are convinced that politics are a trivial engagement, you're going to get voters that vote for really stupid reasons. The Republican establishment used to hide their cards a little better. Now they are eager to show them, and stamp down any movement from the right. Now, you get to deal with Donald Trump, assholes. Enjoy it.

Posted by: Dave S. at July 03, 2015 11:26 AM (mhkbv)

54

Ditch the glasses, keep the hair.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: finishing up my Cherry Pie at July 03, 2015 11:27 AM (qCMvj)

55 So....I'm guessing Perry is being advised by the same stellar campaign consultants that helped McCain and Romney become president?

Also, what did Cruz say?
Posted by: Lizzy at July 03, 2015 11:18 AM (NOIQH)

I think Perry's problem, in a nutshell is, he's really NOT all that bright. People have suggested that in the past, and I think we have to conclude it's true.

Oddly enough though, I think when he's left to his own thoughts, he CAN articulate a conservative message well enough. However, he's not going to be left to his own thoughts. He will be subjected to the poll-testing, and all the rest of the nonsense that campaign "professionals" toss at candidates, and he's just not smart enough to figure out for himself which ones are good, and which ones fundamentally clash with his own stated "conservative" views.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 03, 2015 11:28 AM (Dj0WE)

56 "Is there anybody who thinks Donald Trump is really a Republican?"

Don't you get it yet? Trump is a two-faced leftist, but he loudly says things that we agree with, ergo we should get behind him. Perry is a conservative with an actually successful governing record, but occasionally says things we disagree with, ergo he should be discarded. Welcome to American politics, 2015.

Posted by: Paul at July 03, 2015 11:28 AM (n+82F)

57 We can still believe in a place called Ninja Rock.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 03, 2015 11:28 AM (wvq55)

58 Listen, there is a serious issue here, regardless of what you think about amnesty or immigration reform or whatever. But all Trump did was reduce it to a set of easy democrat talking points for the media to run 24/7.

Way to go jackass

Have to agree with You...

Posted by: donna at July 03, 2015 11:28 AM (Bn6aD)

59 Yeah, he was on parole in Texas, and has been deported a few times. What does "deported" mean? They sent him to Toledo?
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 03, 2015 11:24 AM (sH832)

==========

Yep, now I see they are saying he was deported to Mexico several times. I love how the police (it wd show on his rap sheet) and the msm will effing lie to us or hide the facts every effin time.

So, Trump was right!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 03, 2015 11:29 AM (iQIUe)

60 Listen, there is a serious issue here, regardless of what you think about amnesty or immigration reform or whatever. But all Trump did was reduce it to a set of easy democrat talking points for the media to run 24/7.

Everything any R says is turned into Democratic talking points by the MBM!

Posted by: Hadoop at July 03, 2015 11:29 AM (2X7pN)

61 A man...I remember a while ago in the city near me, the black mayor didn't want race used in the police reports. If they were looking for a man, that was the description, no race....it didn't happen, the police rejected the suggestion.

Posted by: Colin at July 03, 2015 11:30 AM (WQLtV)

62 Test.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 03, 2015 11:30 AM (Rbz9i)

63 My concern this summer is that Puerto Rico is bankrupt and, of course, the US citizens from that poor place will exercise their right as citizens to move to other states. In my area (Northern Illinois) we have 'Mexican' towns and 'Puerto Rican' towns -- with one or two split cities with ongoing gang wars.

The gang wars will be even more horrific.

Posted by: mustbequantum at July 03, 2015 11:30 AM (MIKMs)

64 This large number of 'republican' primary hopefuls is just a bunch of kabuki. We all know the democrats and the Washington City Government Ministry Of Propaganda (media) will choose the 'republican' candidate. As usual.

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2015 11:30 AM (go5uR)

65

How can people blame Trump versus the GOP?

The GOP is getting what they deserve.

3rd Party or Bust

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: finishing up my Cherry Pie at July 03, 2015 11:30 AM (qCMvj)

66 Perry emphatically urged his party to work harder to connect with black voters

Oh, you bet. I especially like the part where we all agree with FantasyHistory.

It's so fun!

...and hey! It's history, it's old and it doesn't matter!!!

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...........

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at July 03, 2015 11:30 AM (CFcIt)

67 Wait until these Spartan Municipal Bonds mature.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 03, 2015 11:31 AM (wvq55)

68 Yup. I do hope you all appreciate though, that I am single-handedly
trying to re-introduce the concept of mentioning things like an
enstompening in a more clever and original way.

The Donald fully endorses 'the entrumpening'

Posted by: The Donald at July 03, 2015 11:31 AM (87y4e)

69
Of course. Attack the messenger. One may not like Trump, but he is dead balls right on this issue. Perry can take a hike and Pataki can just fuck off.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 03, 2015 11:31 AM (St6BJ)

70 You know ... I'm about as fucking exciting about Rick Perry being my next Elected Monarch with Visions of How Government Can Help as I was about the last Texan with Visions of How Government Can Help.

I think ... in the General Election, I'm going to figure out which candidate will do the absolute most harm ... and vote for them.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 03, 2015 11:32 AM (FAbks)

71

Perry 2016: The Man from Dope

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 03, 2015 11:32 AM (kdS6q)

72 Anyone who criticises Trump the buffoon is okay in my book.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Listen, there is a serious issue here, regardless of
what you think about amnesty or immigration reform or whatever. But
all Trump did was reduce it to a set of easy democrat talking points for
the media to run 24/7.

Way to go jackass.

Posted by: tsrblke

I'm beginning to think that Trump is a Democrat "Manchurian Candidate", on a mission to screw with the Republican Primary and spout off a lot of populist drivel to get people fascinated with him, and provide the Media with kill quotes for the 2016 final election campaign. You know, the part where the Republicans and Democrats actually pretent to oppose each other?

Trump has supported Schumer and Clintooon (Hillary, the serial idiot) previously, and there is no reason to not suspect he is still working for them by fulfilling some redonkulous task of making the Republicans look dumber than usual.

Hillary Corleone Clintooon. Don't underestimate how devious and dishonest she can be. Because, she ain't no ways tarrrred.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 03, 2015 11:32 AM (+1T7c)

73 "Trump disrespected the families that just want to make a better life for themselves or some shit."

He probably did, but so what? Even those that did are having shithead children. I'm seeing more and more Latino gangbangers that are US citizens and are complete and total felon assholes. This is what happens when you import a permanent unskilled underclass into the country while making no effort to have them assimilate.

Posted by: UGAdawg at July 03, 2015 11:32 AM (c+vBe)

74 s there anybody who thinks Donald Trump is really a Republican?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole
_______________________

I don't give a damn what party he is. He is right about the fact that the Obama administration has thrown open our borders, surrendered our national sovereignty, and is flying in illegal aliens and putting them on a variety of taxpayer-funded welfare rolls, at enormous expense to U.S. taxpayers, none of whom voted for any of this.

Trump is also right in saying that the U.S. has become a dumping ground for the world's criminal population, with Mexico as the biggest dumper. (And if you don't believe that, take a look at the state prison populations of states like Arizona, California, Texas, etc.).

The Obama administration has also released tens of thousands of violent criminal illegal aliens back into U.S. communities because their home countries won't take them back and the Supreme Court has put limits on the amount of time such criminals can be held in custody by ICE. If they had not been allowed into our country in the first place, we wouldn't have to worry about what to do with them after they've raped, murdered, molested children, etc., served time in U.S. prisons, and then been released. But because of Obama's idiotic, unlawful, and unconstitutional open-borders policies, we're stuck with these scumbags for the rest of their sorry lives.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 03, 2015 11:33 AM (kGrdk)

75 Polliwog.....long time, no see. Welcome aboard, ma'am!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 03, 2015 11:33 AM (RzZOc)

76 Downplaying States' Rights (what big overwhelming push for them is Perry talking about anyway?) doesn't seem like a way to win Texan's votes. What are Perry's chances if he loses his home state?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 03, 2015 11:33 AM (Rbz9i)

77 Trump is such a fraud. Yet, this is what you end up getting when a significant portion of the base reaches the conclusion that voting for a R will ultimately gain you a couple of centimeters of space from where you'd be with the Dem.

When people are convinced that politics are a trivial engagement, you're going to get voters that vote for really stupid reasons. The Republican establishment used to hide their cards a little better. Now they are eager to show them, and stamp down any movement from the right. Now, you get to deal with Donald Trump, assholes. Enjoy it.
Posted by: Dave S. at July 03, 2015 11:26 AM (mhkbv)

Bingo

Posted by: BurtTC at July 03, 2015 11:34 AM (Dj0WE)

78 I think a large part of my problem with the Republican Party right now is illustrated by the fact they think Trump is a fraud (politically, he is) and an embarrassment...and yet *this* is the criticism they can offer. This is apparently how they address things they think are repugnant and an embarrassment.

If you can't fight Donald Trump, you can't fight people who can bring a lot more institutional pressure to the table than he can.

In the Mike Tyson's Punch Out game of modern politics, Donald Trump should be your Glass Joe. Yes, he's an internet troll come to real life--but internet trolls can be beaten, and must be, since modern American politics consists of a bunch of them. If you can't beat him, you should get out of the game.

Posted by: AD at July 03, 2015 11:34 AM (yBmlR)

79 So, from here on until the 2016 election, the MSM is going to try to get the GOP(e) candidates to fight and snipe at one other.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 03, 2015 11:34 AM (u07AL)

80 . Welcome aboard, ma'am!

What is that supposed to mean?

The Admiral....

Posted by: donna at July 03, 2015 11:34 AM (Bn6aD)

81 Don't you get it yet? Trump is a two-faced leftist, but he loudly says things that we agree with, ergo we should get behind him. Perry is a conservative with an actually successful governing record, but occasionally says things we disagree with, ergo he should be discarded. Welcome to American politics, 2015.

And it's the GOPe's own fault this is even possible, for listening to the money and not the people.

This is why Teh Donald is my chosen agent for the final annihilation of that corrupt institution, perhaps to start anew on clear ground, or at least so the f***ers no longer profit from their perfidy.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, by the Pale Moon light at July 03, 2015 11:35 AM (m9V0o)

82 >>A man...I remember a while ago in the city near me, the black mayor didn't want race used in the police reports

We've had descriptions on the news like: man, medium height, dark hair, red jacket, dark pants..

Oh thanks, I'm sure he'd never consider changing clothes.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 03, 2015 11:35 AM (NOIQH)

83 A man...I remember a while ago in the city near me, the black mayor didn't want race used in the police reports. If they were looking for a man, that was the description, no race....it didn't happen, the police rejected the suggestion.

I can see the next Baltimore nightly news now.

Tonight, Baltimore Police are asking the public for help in locating a dangerous criminal.

Police are looking for a ......man.
If you know of anyone matching this description, you are asked to call the Baltimore city police at 311.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 03, 2015 11:35 AM (VPLuQ)

84 If Donald Trump is so horrible, then why aren't the "serious" candidates resonating with the electorate the way he is?

Could it be that Mr. Trump is actually articulating the right position on the issues and not backing down when attacked?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 03, 2015 11:36 AM (St6BJ)

85 Now, you get to deal with Donald Trump, assholes. Enjoy it.

Dave ... thanks for saying what I was thinking ... a hell of a lot better than I could.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 03, 2015 11:36 AM (FAbks)

86 I'm beginning to think that Trump is a Democrat "Manchurian Candidate", on a mission to screw with the Republican Primary and spout off a lot of populist drivel to get people fascinated with him, and provide the Media with kill quotes for the 2016 final election campaign. You know, the part where the Republicans and Democrats actually pretent to oppose each other?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 03, 2015 11:32 AM (+1T7c)

How much money is willing to spend before he bows out, if so?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: finishing up my Cherry Pie at July 03, 2015 11:36 AM (qCMvj)

87 I think a large part of my problem with the Republican Party right now is illustrated by the fact they think Trump is a fraud (politically, he is) and an embarrassment...and yet *this* is the criticism they can offer.

If the facts aren't on your side, pound the table.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 03, 2015 11:36 AM (rwI+c)

88 In the Mike Tyson's Punch Out game of modern politics, Donald Trump should be your Glass Joe. Yes, he's an internet troll come to real life--but internet trolls can be beaten, and must be, since modern American politics consists of a bunch of them. If you can't beat him, you should get out of the game.
Posted by: AD at July 03, 2015 11:34 AM (yBmlR)

Of course, you might also just think he's beneath you. You might be right. I'd say you might not be, since I have a low opinion of politicians. But if you think that, you're too calculating and have too much of a stick up your ass to connect with anybody.

Posted by: AD at July 03, 2015 11:36 AM (yBmlR)

89 >>So, from here on until the 2016 election, the MSM is going to try to get the GOP(e) candidates to fight and snipe at one other.

Which is to say, standard MSM operating procedures.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 03, 2015 11:37 AM (NOIQH)

90
"Too often, we Republicans -- myself included -- have emphasized our message on the Tenth Amendment but not our message on the Fourteenth," he said.

Mmmmmm - I would so gay marry that man right now.

Posted by: Justice Kennedy

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 03, 2015 11:37 AM (kdS6q)

91 This is why Teh Donald is my chosen agent for the final annihilation of
that corrupt institution, perhaps to start anew on clear ground, or at
least so the f***ers no longer profit from their perfidy.

Well Shit.

Here I cracked my first beer ... ready to spew my frustrated hate and venom ...

... and I'll be damned if everybody ain't already saying what I've been thinking for a long, long time.

You bastards actually give me a teeny, tiny bit of hope.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 03, 2015 11:38 AM (FAbks)

92 I think a large part of my problem with the Republican Party right now is illustrated by the fact they think Trump is a fraud (politically, he is) and an embarrassment...and yet *this* is the criticism they can offer.

Pot...kettle. Kettle...pot.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, by the Pale Moon light at July 03, 2015 11:38 AM (m9V0o)

93 The Fourth Reich has Greece under siege. They are stealing money from Greek Businesses. If you book a vacation there the Reich steals your money from the payment services.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 03, 2015 11:38 AM (wvq55)

94 Time for succession from the United Socialist States Of Amerika"

Posted by: Bernie the Imp at July 03, 2015 11:38 AM (SNqwm)

95 Is there anybody who thinks Donald Trump is really a Republican?
----
I don't think any of them are besides Cruz and he appears to be going nowhere fast. Fuck em all anyway. Trump gets my vote as my gesture of my fuck offness.

Posted by: JD at July 03, 2015 11:38 AM (TzeLs)

96 Way to buy the left's bullshit Rick.

Posted by: DaveA at July 03, 2015 11:38 AM (DL2i+)

97 I beg y'all to indulge me on a thing that is off topic. Mrs. E and her Auntie are watching Price Is Right with military personnel as the contestants/audience. I'm wondering does the Navy/Marine Corps still have a fatboy program? I know Nevergiveup talks about it ever so often. Does it apply to white heterosexual males only? Because I just saw a black female Chief lumber down to the stage who was not within standards. I hope to heck she was pregnant. And do pregnant servicepersons get a pass on PRT and weight standards?

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2015 11:38 AM (go5uR)

98 If Donald Trump is so horrible, then why aren't the "serious" candidates resonating with the electorate the way he is?

Could it be that Mr. Trump is actually articulating the right position on the issues and not backing down when attacked?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 03, 2015 11:36 AM (St6BJ)

I think it was Coulter who was saying that Immigration is the one issue the people connect with. Trump took Coulter's campaign advice.

The GOP? Nah, they are beholden and in chains with slave labor groups.

PJMedia has a nice piece, as an aside, where they say, no matter what you think of Coulter, she is almost always right.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: finishing up my Cherry Pie at July 03, 2015 11:39 AM (qCMvj)

99 So, from here on until the 2016 election, the MSM is going to try to get the GOP(e) candidates to fight and snipe at one other.

Posted by: OregonMuse

They've done that in every election that I can remember. Since 1964, at least.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 03, 2015 11:39 AM (+1T7c)

100 Interesting position for a Republican from Texas.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 03, 2015 11:08 AM (g1DWB)

Fuck Perry, that is all

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 03, 2015 11:39 AM (R8hU8)

101 Is there anybody who thinks Donald Trump is really a Republican?

As I'm not a Republican anymore, the question is moot. Does he advance the conservative cause or not? I think that he does not.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 03, 2015 11:39 AM (rwI+c)

102 Bad move all around, Perry. But you never did get who the real enemy is. Not the brightest bulb.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 03, 2015 11:40 AM (s/yC1)

103
What are Perry's chances if he loses his home state?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette

Dear, Perry isn't making it to Texas. He's probably isn't making it to New Hampshire.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 03, 2015 11:40 AM (kdS6q)

104 Is Perot running?

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 03, 2015 11:41 AM (wvq55)

105 I would like Trump to neutralize at least one of the CINOs in Iowa and NH.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 03, 2015 11:42 AM (rwI+c)

106 This is why Teh Donald is my chosen agent for the final annihilation of
that corrupt institution, perhaps to start anew on clear ground, or at
least so the f***ers no longer profit from their perfidy.

Well Shit.

Here I cracked my first beer ... ready to spew my frustrated hate and venom ...

... and I'll be damned if everybody ain't already saying what I've been thinking for a long, long time.

You bastards actually give me a teeny, tiny bit of hope.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 03, 2015 11:38 AM (FAbks)

Yep. Trump is our Luke Skywalker. Cocky SOB, but we'll send him in there behind a bunch of REAL fighters, and who knows, he just might hit that one in a million kill shot.

A new hope indeed!

Posted by: BurtTC at July 03, 2015 11:42 AM (Dj0WE)

107
I will not attack Donald Trump merely on principal that the Democrats, the MFM and the GOP-e hate him. Instead of Perry and Pataki and whoever else attacking Trump, why not turn the tables and address the actual issue that he is being attacked for?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 03, 2015 11:42 AM (St6BJ)

108 They've done that in every election that I can remember. Since 1964, at least.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 03, 2015 11:39 AM (+1T7c)
Ah, the election with the cheap shot at Goldwater about little Susie getting nuked. An early low point for the Democrat Party, and they've descended since then. They're more sophisticated now; the Reds have sufficiently penetrated the MSM that the Party leaves the cheap shots to them instead of taking them themselves.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 03, 2015 11:42 AM (oKE6c)

109 How much money is (he) willing to spend before he bows out, if so?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette

He'll get it all back from his corporatist friends if the Democrat win again in 2016, and his Manchurian campaign helps.

There is actually so little to choose from among the so-called Republican canididates. Most are sorry clones of Democrats. And most of them hate their own base.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 03, 2015 11:42 AM (+1T7c)

110 I want a Bengal Tiger....

At this point we need someone to walk on stage, pull a reporters arm off and beat a Muslim Communist to death with it.

bloody stump drop

Posted by: DaveA at July 03, 2015 11:43 AM (DL2i+)

111 I think the Toupee of Doom could win.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 03, 2015 11:43 AM (wvq55)

112 Not another Texan?!

Posted by: Leftist killer meme factory at July 03, 2015 11:43 AM (jLTYI)

113 Here I cracked my first beer ... ready to spew my frustrated hate and venom ...
.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 03, 2015 11:38 AM (FAbks)

too early here
too much to do

TGIF is many hours away

but Budem zdorovy! anyway

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: finishing up my Cherry Pie at July 03, 2015 11:44 AM (qCMvj)

114 Phd aint what it used to be.

Posted by: nip at July 03, 2015 11:44 AM (jI23+)

115 104 Is Perot running?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 03, 2015 11:41 AM (wvq55)

Heh...

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at July 03, 2015 11:44 AM (CFcIt)

116 Not another fake Texan from Kennebungholeport.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 03, 2015 11:44 AM (wvq55)

117
Trump's not the problem. The R's and You being scared to death of the Democrats and their media is the problem.

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 03, 2015 11:45 AM (0lw2Y)

118 About a week ago I said that Trump would separate the RINO squishes from the fighters. This is a perfect example.

Trump forced a 'tell' from Perry, and Cruz basically agreed with Trump.

Advantage Cruz, Trump.

Posted by: se pa moron at July 03, 2015 11:45 AM (xQX/f)

119 108 Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 03, 2015 11:42 AM (oKE6c)

Were it not for the communist assassination of JFK, Goldwater might have actually made it a horserace. And then he was smeared for being a racist when in fact he was a major civil rights advocate. He only objected to the Civil Rights act of '64 on Constitutional grounds and not on the merits.

Too bad.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 03, 2015 11:45 AM (St6BJ)

120 Tonight, Baltimore Police are asking the public for help in locating a dangerous criminal.

Police are looking for a ......man.

If you know of anyone matching this description, you are asked to call the Baltimore city police at 311.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 03, 2015 11:35 AM (VPLuQ)
I know one they can arrest. He's currently residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. He's unarmed, and also doesn't have a weapon.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 03, 2015 11:46 AM (oKE6c)

121 Because I just saw a black female Chief lumber down to the stage who was not within standards. I hope to heck she was pregnant. And do pregnant servicepersons get a pass on PRT and weight standards?
Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2015 11:38 AM (go5uR)

Saw briefly on the news this morning that the Navy has authorized 18 weeks of paid maternity leave for female Navy personnel. The bubblehead at CNN reporting it was giddy that maybe now corporations will follow suit. She added that the USA is still lagging behind on paid maternity leave compared to ALL the other industrialized countries.

I guess China has long periods of paid maternity leave?

Posted by: Jen the original at July 03, 2015 11:46 AM (WV80V)

122 Has Berine met and unfortunate accidents yet? Hillary is just asking.

Posted by: Colin at July 03, 2015 11:46 AM (WQLtV)

123 Lindsay the Destroyer will eviscerate Trump.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 03, 2015 11:46 AM (wvq55)

124 >>Is there anybody who thinks Donald Trump is really a Republican?

Is there anybody who thinks JEB Trump is really a Republican? And yet he's being sold to us as the "inevitable" GOP candidate.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 03, 2015 11:47 AM (NOIQH)

125 Drudge is all Blue?

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 03, 2015 11:47 AM (wvq55)

126 Trump is also right in saying that the U.S. has become a dumping ground for the world's criminal population, with Mexico as the biggest dumper.

All of which he could have done without racist or nationalist bomb throwing and insults. Or he could have kept those and run as the Democrat he is.

Posted by: DaveA at July 03, 2015 11:47 AM (DL2i+)

127 111 I think the Toupee of Doom could win.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 03, 2015 11:43 AM (wvq55)

Rubio?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 03, 2015 11:47 AM (St6BJ)

128 "Trump disrespected the families that just want to make a better life for themselves or some shit."
__________________________

Who doesn't want to make a better life for themselves? Does that give someone the right to break into his neighbor's house and take his stuff, or set up camp in his living room? "Hey, my neighbor has a better house and nicer stuff than I do; therefore, I have the right to break into his house and take whatever I want. After all, I'm just trying to make a better life for myself and my family!"

I'm so sick of the never-ending excuses for illegal aliens' lawlessness. They demand respect FROM us, while constantly showing blatant disrespect TO us.

You want to come to America and make a better life for yourself? Fine, then apply for a visa and obey our laws. Don't sneak across our borders, steal somebody else's identity or buy fake ID on the streets, thumb your noses at our laws, and then complain that we're not treating you with respect. Respect must be earned, and you need to give it to get it.

We need to stop rewarding lawlessness, and we also need to stop electing spineless politicians who pander to the law-breakers.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 03, 2015 11:47 AM (kGrdk)

129 He'll get it all back from his corporatist friends if the Democrat win again in 2016, and his Manchurian campaign helps.

There is actually so little to choose from among the so-called Republican canididates. Most are sorry clones of Democrats. And most of them hate their own base.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 03, 2015 11:42 AM (+1T7c)

True and truer.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: finishing up my Cherry Pie at July 03, 2015 11:48 AM (qCMvj)

130 >>the GOP has occasionally focused too much on state rights at the expense of civil rights.

So Perry has come out in support of the Supreme Court's decision on gay marriage. Cool.

Posted by: Barney Frank at July 03, 2015 11:48 AM (83IN3)

131 "Let me say," Perry said, "I don't think Donald Trump's remarks reflect the Republican Party."

Yes. That's why I left the party.

Posted by: despair at July 03, 2015 11:48 AM (J6suc)

132 Rubio?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 03, 2015 11:47 AM (St6BJ)

His cute little face and his cute little smile will help him a lot. And his name.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: finishing up my Cherry Pie at July 03, 2015 11:48 AM (qCMvj)

133 I guess China has long periods of paid maternity leave?
Posted by: Jen the original at July 03, 2015 11:46 AM (WV80V)

Probably not. China, unlike everywhere in the West, including here in the good ol' U.S of A, pays employees based on what their labor is worth.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 03, 2015 11:49 AM (Dj0WE)

134 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 03, 2015 11:45 AM (St6BJ)

Yep. Few of the Faithful know that JFK was a lousy President, nearly as bad as Obongo, and was in grave danger of losing re-election. In fact, that's why he went to Dallas. Of course, some people took into account almost getting the nation incinerated through his bungling and incompetence as a mark against him. But he had good hair, and good at making quips at press conferences, so there's that.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 03, 2015 11:49 AM (oKE6c)

135 130 >>the GOP has occasionally focused too much on state rights at the expense of civil rights.

So Perry has come out in support of the Supreme Court's decision on gay marriage. Cool.
Posted by: Barney Frank at July 03, 2015 11:48 AM (83IN3)

The greatest guarantor of civil rights ARE states' rights.

But, Trump!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 03, 2015 11:49 AM (St6BJ)

136 Remember the part of the Constitution that says "neither slavery or involuntary servitude except as punishment for a crime..."

How about we arrest all the illegal aliens and force them to build the southern wall as slaves - then deport them.

Legal, and handles the cost problems.

Posted by: An Observation at July 03, 2015 11:49 AM (O9PHi)

137 Trump's not the problem. The R's and You being scared to death of the Democrats and their media is the problem.

Posted by: Soothsayer

Idealogically and philosophically, the country is dead. If the USA was a human body, we're basically dead from the neck up. People are generally so disconnected from their own beliefs and finding a way to express that as a vote, that they have just given up.
The Media has become such a vast morass of misinformation about the world, it's no wonder that people are disconnected and don't care. They don't know what's true, false, lies, etc.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 03, 2015 11:50 AM (+1T7c)

138
And before the Perry Girls start complaining about out off context quotes - transcript:

www.press.org/speakers/speaker-audio-and-transcripts

Actually, lots more in there to wince at.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 03, 2015 11:50 AM (kdS6q)

139 REPUBLICAN BILLIONAIRE candidate Donald Trump was criticized by TEXAS REPUBLICAN Rick Perry over comments made by the REPUBLICAN Trump that called Mexicans "rapists and murderers."

The REPUBLICAN Governor Perry has also been criticized by IMMIGRANT AND CIVIL RIGHTS groups as discriminating against persons of Hispanic descent.
Some have charged that the REPUBLICAN Governor is attempting to deflect his own issues of alleged RACISM by criticizing a fellow REPUBLICAN.

In a related story...

Posted by: Leftist killer meme factory at July 03, 2015 11:50 AM (jLTYI)

140 _..."[Perry] suggested the GOP has occasionally focused too much on state rights at the expense of civil rights." - Can't trust the "Texas Libune", published in Austin.

Posted by: Ralph at July 03, 2015 11:50 AM (glJL/)

141
Trump/Rubio '16

The Wig Party redux!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 03, 2015 11:50 AM (St6BJ)

142 Selfishly, I'd love to see a Trump vs. Biden election just for the hilarious debates.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at July 03, 2015 11:51 AM (1RNgT)

143 You should never ever consider someone that was once a democrat. Stick with the rock ribbed lifelong Republicans!

Posted by: Jeb, Chris Christie, Boehner, McCain, Graham, McConnel at July 03, 2015 11:51 AM (zt+N6)

144 She added that the USA is still lagging behind on paid maternity leave compared to ALL the other industrialized countries.

I guess China has long periods of paid maternity leave?

Posted by: Jen the original at July 03, 2015 11:46 AM (WV80V)
How much does Greece have?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 03, 2015 11:51 AM (oKE6c)

145 @137
You forgot to mention demographically

Posted by: The Dead Hand of Ted Kennedy 1965 at July 03, 2015 11:51 AM (jLTYI)

146 What civil rights need a focus right now? "

Perhaps religious rights and freedoms, and the protections to be granted to them.

-
The ACLU, bless their hearts, are standing up for the religious freedom of sex offenders to attend churches with attached schools. See WZ.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 03, 2015 11:51 AM (6tn7e)

147 >>She added that the USA is still lagging behind on paid maternity leave compared to ALL the other industrialized countries.

IIRC, when I was pregnant I recall reading that Canada has a 1 year maternity leave. And then I found out that if I lived in Canada their healthcare system would not have authorized the life-saving heart surgery my son needed after he was born.

Everything has a cost. I prefer our system where businesses decide maternity leave policy and doctors determine an infant's viability instead of being subject to the whims of bureaucrats and political activists.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 03, 2015 11:52 AM (NOIQH)

148 118 About a week ago I said that Trump would separate the RINO squishes from the fighters. This is a perfect example.

Posted by: se pa moron at July 03, 2015 11:45 AM (xQX/f)

Well played. Character, or political character, will out. Perry has an additional problem -- he's just not that smart.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 03, 2015 11:52 AM (s/yC1)

149 The ACLU, bless their hearts, are standing up for
the religious freedom of sex offenders to attend churches with attached
schools. See WZ.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 03, 2015 11:51 AM (6tn7e)

Nothing more important to sex offenders than religion. Everybody knows that.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 03, 2015 11:52 AM (oKE6c)

150 142 Selfishly, I'd love to see a Trump vs. Biden election just for the hilarious debates.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at July 03, 2015 11:51 AM (1RNgT)

In a fair, un-Candystore Crowley, debate, Trump would kick his ass.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 03, 2015 11:53 AM (St6BJ)

151 Rubio?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 03, 2015 11:47 AM (St6BJ)

His cute little face and his cute little smile will help him a lot. And his name.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: finishing up my Cherry Pie at July 03, 2015 11:48 AM (qCMvj)

If you watch Rubio speak, you can see he takes these very brief pauses between statements. It's almost as if he's waiting for the software to kick in between memorized talking points. Like he's using Windows Vista operating system.

I do give him credit though. He doesn't overdo it. He knows his limitations, and he keeps his robotic statements simple, lest it overwhelm his CPU.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 03, 2015 11:53 AM (Dj0WE)

152 The Pedo Snivel Rights Movement begins.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 03, 2015 11:54 AM (wvq55)

153 142�Selfishly, I'd love to see a Trump vs. Biden election just for the hilarious debates.Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at July 03, 2015 11:51

I could picture Trump pointing at Biden, gesturing to the exit while saying 'Your fired, get outta here.'

Then Biden actually leaving.

Posted by: se pa moron at July 03, 2015 11:54 AM (xQX/f)

154 151 I do give him credit though. He doesn't overdo it. He knows his limitations, and he keeps his robotic statements simple, lest it overwhelm his CPU.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 03, 2015 11:53 AM (Dj0WE)

I don't think anyone in the past 10 years or so has disappointed me more than Rubio. Just incredible how he totally made the wrong decisions and allied with the wrong people on the wrong side of Amnesty.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 03, 2015 11:55 AM (St6BJ)

155 For anyone concerned whether Trump is actually a republican, here is a newsflash for you...

REPUBLICANS ARENT EVEN REPUBLICANS! Have you seen what they have done lately!? Who gives a shit about Trump donating to democrats etc.

There is a 100% chance walker, Rubio, bush, etc will stab us in the back. 100% chance. Therefore, Trump's chances of stabbing us in the back are no worse than theirs regardless. The sad thing is, this is not an endorsement of Trump, but a sad commentary on the so called Republican party.

A nice young woman in CA was just gunned down by a lovely illegal alien who had been deported 5 times. Does Ricky Perry have anything to say about that, or is he just trying to get a golf clap from the media for attacking that big ole meanie Trump?

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, the Highlander at July 03, 2015 11:55 AM (COpZ4)

156
I know Republicans have much to do to earn the trust of African-Americans.

Blacks know that Republican Barry Goldwater in 1964 ran against Lyndon Johnson, who was a champion for Civil Rights. They know that Barry Goldwater opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He felt parts of it were unconstitutional.

States supporting segregation in the south, they cited states' rights as a justification for keeping blacks from the voting booth and the dinner table.

More of those Awful Racist Southern Republican politicians from the 1960s.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 03, 2015 11:57 AM (kdS6q)

157 Rubio's first instinct upon entering the Senate was to ally with CHUCK SCUHUMER on amnesty.

HIS FIRST FUCKING ISNTINCT, after winning in a tea party landslide.

And people want him as president?

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, the Highlander at July 03, 2015 11:57 AM (COpZ4)

158 I've no doubt this was Perry's conception of political boldness and bravery. He and his aides probably had one of those moments of unanimous prideful glow in which back-patting and high-fiving wasn't necessary. But this is how it always works -- NEVER attack the Left or the media (way too risky), but rather attack someone in your own nominal ranks challenging RINO or establishment assumptions.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 03, 2015 11:58 AM (s/yC1)

159 Yep. Few of the Faithful know that JFK was a lousy President, nearly as bad as Obongo, and was in grave danger of losing re-election. In fact, that's why he went to Dallas. Of course, some people took into account almost getting the nation incinerated through his bungling and incompetence as a mark against him. But he had good hair, and good at making quips at press conferences, so there's that.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 03, 2015 11:49 AM (oKE6c)

There was a story that, fairly early in JFK's administration, Eisenhower went to visit him at Camp David (or wherever). Ike was attempting to pass on to the new President how best to handle international relations, and how to surround himself with smart advisers who could feed him streamlined information, so decisions could be made based on intelligence, rather than on whims.

JFK essentially told Ike that no, he wasn't going to do that, that he and his brother Bobby were smart enough to figure this stuff out on their own.

Ike left, and never again attempted to bother the President.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 03, 2015 11:59 AM (Dj0WE)

160 We could elect Ted Cruz for 3 consecutive terms (and I'd love to see that happen) but we won't begin to get the country back until we take down the public education indoctrination establishment.
And if we don't put a brake on illegal immigration (and related anchor baby BS) our window of opportunity to do anything at all narrows to a few years.
Carry on.

Posted by: NYC Parent packing for the burbs at July 03, 2015 11:59 AM (jLTYI)

161 More of those Awful Racist Southern Republican politicians from the 1960s.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix

There weren't any Republicans from the South in the early-middle 1960's.

And I know you were being sarcastic.....

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 03, 2015 12:00 PM (+1T7c)

162 If *anyone* should know about drug dealers, rapists and killers crossing the border it should be Perry. And yet he criticizes Trump for saying something that is true - there ARE rapists, drug dealers and killers crossing our border.

I am so freaking tired of identity politics. Perry and the other establishment GOP candidates aren't smart enough to see that you don't have to "outreach" to other races and ethnic groups. If the core message is about individual rights, liberty, essential values and getting the government out of our lives and our wallets - and is articulated clearly and well - people of all races and ethnic groups will listen.

Posted by: Nunya Bizness at July 03, 2015 12:01 PM (a7/am)

163
@38 "Ill go with Trump."

Same here.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 03, 2015 12:01 PM (TcGpp)

164 Eh, this is "you don't have a heart" part dos.

I like Perry and he did a great job in Texas.

But, I hate to say it, a smarter politician would've said:

"Well, look as a Governor of Texas, I can tell you that Obama's open borders are leading to a lot of problems for us with drug cartels, gang members, criminals.

Heck, (gives percentage) of criminals in Texas prisons are illegal aliens. And those criminals that we do deport come right back in.

This is a huge border security and public safety issue, but it's not a people issue.

Most of the people who want to come across are good people.

But, this is our country and we need to control our borders and only let those people in who benefit American society.

And keep the criminals out."

Ugh, these morons should hire me as their speech writer/campaign manager.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 03, 2015 12:02 PM (KUa85)

165 >>And if we don't put a brake on illegal immigration (and related anchor baby BS) our window of opportunity to do anything at all narrows to a few years.

Obama's open borders for over a year + recent SCOTUS decision on Voter ID = opportunity may already be lost.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 03, 2015 12:02 PM (NOIQH)

166 I know Republicans have much to do to earn the trust of African-Americans.

Blacks know that Republican Barry Goldwater in 1964 ran against Lyndon Johnson, who was a champion for Civil Rights. They know that Barry Goldwater opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He felt parts of it were unconstitutional.

States supporting segregation in the south, they cited states' rights as a justification for keeping blacks from the voting booth and the dinner table.

More of those Awful Racist Southern Republican politicians from the 1960s.....

Real history: http://tinyurl.com/p8uxuzz

Posted by: Weirddave at July 03, 2015 12:02 PM (WvS3w)

167 For anyone concerned whether Trump is actually a republican, here is a newsflash for you...

REPUBLICANS ARENT EVEN REPUBLICANS! Have you seen what they have done lately!? Who gives a shit about Trump donating to democrats etc.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, the Highlander at July 03, 2015 11:55 AM (COpZ4)

I went to a funeral the other day. There was the Republican Party, laying in its coffin. I went over and poked it, prodded it, then gave it a good shake. It didn't get up.

And when they threw dirt on it after lowering it into the ground, I could have sworn I heard a peep.

I should go dig it up. See if it's just messing with me. Surely it is not dead. No.. of course it isn't. Can we at least poke some holes in the dirt so it can breathe in there?

Posted by: Gope 4 Evar! at July 03, 2015 12:03 PM (Dj0WE)

168 Blacks know that Republican Barry Goldwater in 1964
ran against Lyndon Johnson, who was a champion for Civil Rights. They
know that Barry Goldwater opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He felt
parts of it were unconstitutional.

States supporting segregation
in the south, they cited states' rights as a justification for keeping
blacks from the voting booth and the dinner table.

More of those Awful Racist Southern Republican politicians from the 1960s.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 03, 2015 11:57 AM (kdS6q)

Fun but generally unacknowledged fact: a greater proportion of the Republican caucus voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 than of the Democrat caucus, from which most opposition arose.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 03, 2015 12:04 PM (oKE6c)

169 "Let me say," Perry said, "I don't think Donald Trump's remarks reflect the Republican Party."

I know that's why I'm for Trump. I'm not a Republican anymore.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 03, 2015 12:04 PM (TcGpp)

170
29

Perry -- Advice coming from two Barbour boys (re elect Cochran fame) and one can assume Haley as well. http://tinyurl.com/ns3q854

Posted by: gracepc at July 03, 2015 12:04 PM (DMQhB)

171 JFK essentially told Ike that no, he wasn't going to
do that, that he and his brother Bobby were smart enough to figure this
stuff out on their own.

Ike left, and never again attempted to bother the President.

Posted by: BurtTC

Ike was a smart man (idiots don't become 5-star generals), and understood staff work. JFK wasn't and didn't want to use his staff properly. He had McNamera and his whiz kids. McGeorge Bundy. Smaht guys, the New Frontier (or the New Fascist Frontier, as Ayn Rand called it).
Kennedy let himself get bullied by Khruschev's bluster (even Averill Harriman knew better).
Kennedy in retrospect was a tragic joke on all of us.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 03, 2015 12:05 PM (+1T7c)

172 @162
"If the core message is about individual rights, liberty, essential values and getting the government out of our lives and our wallets - and is articulated clearly and well - people of all races and ethnic groups will listen."

Your lips to Gods ears. But I think this is more true for those not previously indoctrinated for 18+ years by an education system defining "rights" as positive, material goods, equating liberty with sexuality only and characterizing any attempt to limit government as either "anarchy" or "racism."

But we will get the over 45 vote and those not recently immigrated from countries in which socialism and cronyism are the norm.

Posted by: NYC Parent packing for the burbs at July 03, 2015 12:06 PM (jLTYI)

173 Whoa, did TBH3K just go off?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, by the Pale Moon light at July 03, 2015 12:07 PM (m9V0o)

174 >>Perry -- Advice coming from two Barbour boys (re elect Cochran fame) and one can assume Haley as well. http://tinyurl.com/ns3q854

Fa-bu-lous.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 03, 2015 12:08 PM (NOIQH)

175 JFK essentially told Ike that no, he wasn't going to
do that, that he and his brother Bobby were smart enough to figure this
stuff out on their own.

Ike left, and never again attempted to bother the President.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 03, 2015 11:59 AM (Dj0WE)
I guess he made his own security arrangements, too.
Consider the arrogance of the nitwit. Here he was getting free advice from the architect of victory in the European theater, the man who orchestrated D-Day, and who subsequently had been President for eight years. So he had a modicum of executive experience, I'd say.
He was offering his distilled wisdom to a do-nothing numbskull 43 year old who had the dubious distinction of being the skipper of the only PT boat in naval history ever to be run down by another ship, a man who blew him off as having nothing to teach. Amazing.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 03, 2015 12:09 PM (oKE6c)

176 164, 100% right!

Sadly, the idiot GOP doesn't employ people like you. They employ fraud consultants who get rich while the nation burns.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, the Highlander at July 03, 2015 12:10 PM (COpZ4)

177 166 Posted by: Weirddave at July 03, 2015 12:02 PM (WvS3w)

Barry Goldwater and his family were champions of civil rights in the private and public lives. The claims of his racism are no less than a blood libel on him.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 03, 2015 12:11 PM (St6BJ)

178 Police are looking for a ......~~man~~ person.
If you know of anyone matching this description, you are asked to call the Baltimore city police at 311.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 03, 2015 12:11 PM (gktWW)

179 Kennedy in retrospect was a tragic joke on all of us.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at July 03, 2015 12:05 PM (+1T7c)
He was indeed. He was a pretty boy, beloved of the chicks, and the MSM, but pretty much an empty suit. He was the Celtic version of Obongo, as a Roman Catholic instead of as a black, and he was equally "historic," in the Newspeak sense of the word, viz., not worth a shit.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 03, 2015 12:11 PM (oKE6c)

180 Armed robbery is an act of love.

- Jebba the Bush

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 03, 2015 12:12 PM (gktWW)

181
I grew up in this place called Paint Creek. When I was young, we had an outhouse. Mama bathed us on the front porch in a number 2 wash tub.

Rick Perry: Another tragic victim of childhood tin poisoning.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 03, 2015 12:12 PM (kdS6q)

182
Barry Goldwater and his family were champions of civil rights in the private and public lives. The claims of his racism are no less than a blood libel on him.

Of course. When did I say he wasn't?

Posted by: Weirddave at July 03, 2015 12:14 PM (WvS3w)

183 Never in a million years would I have considered voting for Trump but after Obama and the Obamicans, Trump looks like a prince.

Remember when McCain was pissed and told his own supporters to shut up during his nomination acceptance speech? Yeah, good times.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 03, 2015 12:15 PM (TcGpp)

184 Barry Goldwater and his family were champions of civil rights in the private and public lives. The claims of his racism are no less than a blood libel on him.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 03, 2015 12:11 PM (St6BJ)

And Lyndon Johnson was heard to say, as he signed the Civil Rights Act into law "that'll shut the ni**ers up for a while, and insure they will keep voting for Democrats."

Or so they say. I'm not sure the actual words were used, but that's basically the LBJ legacy.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 03, 2015 12:17 PM (Dj0WE)

185 Is Saint Vlad running?

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 03, 2015 12:17 PM (wvq55)

186 He was offering his distilled wisdom to a do-nothing numbskull 43 year old who had the dubious distinction of being the skipper of the only PT boat in naval history ever to be run down by another ship, a man who blew him off as having nothing to teach. Amazing.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 03, 2015 12:09 PM (oKE6c)

Yes, but remember, our young president who was addicted to drugs and loose women, has an eternal flame burning on his grave.
Eisenhower's grave is in the Eisenhower library, in a little church building, surrounded by quotes from his experiences and his love of country.

Ask the average American on the street who Kennedy was and who Eisenhower was and see how many know about Eisenhower.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 03, 2015 12:17 PM (WV80V)

187 Tonight, Baltimore Police are asking the public for help in locating a dangerous criminal.

Police are looking for a ......man.

If you know of anyone matching this description, you are asked to call the Baltimore city police at 311.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 03, 2015 11:35 AM (VPLuQ)
I've actually heard just that. "Police are looking for a man," then a description of his clothing, which as everyone knows is immutable.

The leftists don't understand that, owing to this policy, EVERYONE now assumes that ALL criminals are black until and unless proven otherwise.
Yeah, blacks commit a high proportion of reported crimes, and broadcasting the race of the perp makes that fact plain, but now everyone assumes that that proportion is 100%. Now in some cases the MSM will specify the race of the perp but only if he's white, so everyone assumes all others are black.
It's almost as if reality >> propaganda.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 03, 2015 12:18 PM (oKE6c)

188 Perry said that? ("connect with black voters") Oh, geez, what an idiot. Yeah, he did a decent job here as governor, but I never was all that impressed with his intellect, and this just proves he's not that bright. Any political consultant worth his/her salt will tell you that American black voters will, as a group, like 95+%, ALWAYS vote Democrat. Period. It has been ever thus, and for the foreseeable future always will be. Nothing any Repub says will change this, and trying to pander to this bunch of lemmings does nothing but make the R candidate (Perry in this case) look like a fool.

Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at July 03, 2015 12:20 PM (AYY6Y)

189 For most of the year, males and females occupy different habitats - females tend to stick to steep terrain and males use lowland meadows.
==========
Sexist!!!!!!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 03, 2015 12:21 PM (iQIUe)

190 Since Trump is a Democrat, and also a person I can't stand the sight or sound of for more than 5 seconds, I'm disgusted by what Cruz said about him. I'm a huge Cruz fan, but Perry has the best record of all the candidates.

Posted by: stace at July 03, 2015 12:21 PM (+sO7w)

191 My comment about average Americans on the street, Fox this morning had the 12 year old son of one of their contributors on. He had been given a Fox microphone and had gone out on the plaza in NYC, showing folks pictures of past presidents, patriots ,etc. and asking history questions of the general person on the street.

His conclusion? Immigrants here had a higher percentage of correct answers to his questions than natives.
His questions? Who is this?(portrait of Washington), who signed the declaration of independence first (John Hancock). etc.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 03, 2015 12:23 PM (WV80V)

192 I'm going to shock everyone and say I'm ok with what Perry said. He's positioning himself as good cop to Trump's bad cop. And I think Perry has enough border cred as Texas governor to get away with it.
Perry sees his main rivals as the other governors.

Posted by: @votermom at July 03, 2015 12:24 PM (cbfNE)

193 Perry said that? ("connect with black voters") Oh, geez, what an idiot. Yeah, he did a decent job here as governor, but I never was all that impressed with his intellect, and this just proves he's not that bright. Any political consultant worth his/her salt will tell you that American black voters will, as a group, like 95+%, ALWAYS vote Democrat. Period. It has been ever thus, and for the foreseeable future always will be. Nothing any Repub says will change this, and trying to pander to this bunch of lemmings does nothing but make the R candidate (Perry in this case) look like a fool.

I agree....sorta. Yes, pandering is useless, but a strong conservative message about individual rights and opportunity will resonate with blacks. Why wouldn't it? They are universal truths. You don't need to get all the black votes, or even most. If a Republican takes 25% of the black vote, the Dems won't know whether to shit or go blind.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 03, 2015 12:25 PM (WvS3w)

194 172 @162
"If the core message is about individual rights, liberty, essential values and getting the government out of our lives and our wallets - and is articulated clearly and well - people of all races and ethnic groups will listen."

Your lips to Gods ears. But I think this is more true for those not previously indoctrinated for 18+ years by an education system defining "rights" as positive, material goods, equating liberty with sexuality only and characterizing any attempt to limit government as either "anarchy" or "racism."

But we will get the over 45 vote and those not recently immigrated from countries in which socialism and cronyism are the norm.
Posted by: NYC Parent packing for the burbs at July 03, 2015 12:06 PM (jLTYI)

------

The damage is done. It no longer matters what the message is, because everyone knows the rhetoric in campaigns are far to the right of the actions once in power. This is true of both parties, really, but it is the Republicans who make the massive post election shift.

The Republicans lose on everything but the ideas they espouse each time they are up for election. They don't get favorable coverage anywhere but talk radio. Nowhere in popular culture do they get positive coverage. They constantly are put on the defensive. Yet they are now willfully and obnoxiously making it clear that the one thing they win on (ideas) are a complete and utter sham, just because they hate us that much.

They only win because they actually do talk about things like liberty and government intrusion. Once nobody believes them, and that is where this is going, you get this.

Once it becomes clear that they don't really mean it, then you have Romney losing because of binders full of women and being rich. You get complete blowhard buffoons like Donald Trump getting serious play. Maybe the stupid LIV voter aren't as stupid as we like to pretend. Maybe investing a lot of emotional and financial investment in the carnival game we call politics is what is really stupid. Maybe I should put a picture of every candidate on a dartboard, throw a dart blindfolded, and vote for whoever it lands on.

Posted by: Dave S. at July 03, 2015 12:25 PM (mhkbv)

195 "170 29
Perry -- Advice coming from two Barbour boys (re elect
Cochran fame) and one can assume Haley as well.
http://tinyurl.com/ns3q854
Posted by: gracepc at July 03, 2015 12:04 PM (DMQhB)
"

How revolting. As governor he was practically "anti-Barbour". Who the Hell is whispering in his ear? ...shocked

Posted by: Ralph at July 03, 2015 12:25 PM (glJL/)

196 "But all Trump did was reduce it to a set of easy democrat talking points for the media to run 24/7. Way to go jackass."

No. There is a reason Trump is surging in the polls. He's destroying the media.

They go after those they are afraid of.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 03, 2015 12:26 PM (TcGpp)

197 Also I like that Perry is trying for the black vote via education and jobs.
Go listen to the speech Ace posted yesterday. Perry did good.

Posted by: @votermom at July 03, 2015 12:27 PM (cbfNE)

198 Playing "Who's the Intellect" is a bunch of crap. We need a leader not an intellect. It's the intellects that got us into this mess.

Remember it was Reagan the Bonzo actor who got us out of the last mess.

Posted by: Ralph at July 03, 2015 12:29 PM (glJL/)

199 I agree....sorta. Yes, pandering is useless, but a
strong conservative message about individual rights and opportunity will
resonate with blacks. Why wouldn't it? They are universal truths. You
don't need to get all the black votes, or even most. If a Republican
takes 25% of the black vote, the Dems won't know whether to shit or go
blind.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 03, 2015 12:25 PM (WvS3w)
I wish that were true, but I suspect that free shit trumps (SWIDT?) philosophical blandishments.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 03, 2015 12:30 PM (oKE6c)

200 "And I think Perry has enough border cred as Texas governor to get away with it."

Huh? From us "heartless" people up here in flyover country he didn't appear to do anything accept offer the illegals free tuition and a highway to Canada.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 03, 2015 12:30 PM (TcGpp)

201
If a Republican takes 25% of the black vote....
Posted by: Weirddave

Ah, the eternal myth of the Black Republican voter yearning to break free:

blackdemographics.com/culture/black-politics

GOP hasn't hit that 25% metric since Eisenhower, which was a vet special case.

Look at the trend. Ain't never gonna happen again.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 03, 2015 12:31 PM (kdS6q)

202 Playing "Who's the Intellect" is a bunch of crap. We
need a leader not an intellect. It's the intellects that got us into
this mess.

Remember it was Reagan the Bonzo actor who got us out of the last mess.

Posted by: Ralph at July 03, 2015 12:29 PM (glJL/)
Yes and no. "Who's the intellect?" in terms of who can quote Proust, yes - that's pointless.
"Who's the intellect?" in the sense of who has sufficient basic intelligence, knowledge, and wisdom to make sound policy decisions is not.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 03, 2015 12:32 PM (oKE6c)

203 197
Also I like that Perry is trying for the black vote via education and jobs.

Go listen to the speech Ace posted yesterday. Perry did good.
Posted by: @votermom at July 03, 2015 12:27 PM (cbfNE)

Republicans got 45% of the Hispanic vote in Texas, they neglect to mention that on Fox/MSM analysis. Keep that and increase the black vote.

Posted by: Ralph at July 03, 2015 12:32 PM (glJL/)

204 Look at the trend. Ain't never gonna happen again.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 03, 2015 12:31 PM (kdS6q)
I'm not entirely convinced that that is true. I'd take a radical tack: "blacks, you've been played. The Democrat Party has promised you the moon. Are you happy with your lot? Or are you beginning to suspect that you've been played as chumps? You all vote Democrat now; what does the Democrat Party have to gain if your situation improves? What's their incentive?"

"Face it. You've been had. They're laughing at you behind your backs."
I don't think anything else will do the trick.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 03, 2015 12:36 PM (oKE6c)

205 The exil Xtian bakers who wouldn't bake homo wedding cake and were fined $135,000 have been ordered not to talk about it. No more hate crimes! See WZ.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 03, 2015 12:38 PM (/nRj6)

206 I wish that were true, but I suspect that free shit trumps (SWIDT?) philosophical blandishments.

And

Ah, the eternal myth of the Black Republican voter yearning to break free:

blackdemographics.com/culture/black-politics

GOP hasn't hit that 25% metric since Eisenhower, which was a vet special case.

Look at the trend. Ain't never gonna happen again.

I don't understand this. Truly I don't. Are blacks not human because of their skin color? By that I mean do they not have the same human responses as the rest of us?

Look, I'm not saying there's a pool of black folks just waiting for the right Republican to nod and wink at them, I'm saying that individual liberty is a powerful concept that can be sold to anybody. The Rs don't even try to market this to black folks, because to do it right you'll have to weather a cat 5 shitstorm of racism accusations. So what? Rs are already going to get that no matter what they do.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 03, 2015 12:41 PM (WvS3w)

207 I'm saying that individual liberty is a powerful concept that can be sold to anybody.

Hasn't individual liberty been redefined as freedom from want?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 03, 2015 12:45 PM (W5DcG)

208 I don't understand this. Truly I don't. Are blacks not human because of
their skin color? By that I mean do they not have the same human
responses as the rest of us?

I think you're being naive, frankly. I think that blacks (speaking statistically here, not categorically) have marinated in leftist agitprop and grievance mongering for so long that high-minded philosophical musings about freedom and opportunity will have zero impact.

Perhaps you could test-market your strategy in Ferguson. Or Baltimore. Or Compton. Or Chicago. Or Newark. Or Detroit. Or Oakland. See how it flies there.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 03, 2015 12:49 PM (oKE6c)

209 >>Perry actually can make a good case that, unlike Mitt Romney in the last two primary cycles, he is saving his criticism for Democrats.

Uh, it was Perry who called Romney a "Vulture Capitalist" so no, Perry wasn't reserving his criticism for Dems. He just shit the bed as a candidate.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 03, 2015 12:52 PM (g1DWB)

210
@74

Right! Some people here have amnesia. The oligarchy slams them hard up the ass. They whine and then line up to vote (R) again.

As long as Trump is on a ballot that I come across I'm voting for him. Geez, he's actually pro-American something foreign to the uni-party.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 03, 2015 12:54 PM (TcGpp)

211 Y'all are throwing Perry under the bus for taking shots at Trump? Remember the Don in the primary hurts every single candidate, but especially Perry, who needs to look smart.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at July 03, 2015 12:55 PM (nCKKS)

212 I think you're being naive, frankly. I think that blacks (speaking statistically here, not categorically) have marinated in leftist agitprop and grievance mongering for so long that high-minded philosophical musings about freedom and opportunity will have zero impact.

Perhaps you could test-market your strategy in Ferguson. Or Baltimore. Or Compton. Or Chicago. Or Newark. Or Detroit. Or Oakland. See how it flies there.

How did it fly in Charleston in the wake of the Dylann Roof atrocity?

My broader point is, nobody's trying. Black America didn't get to where it is now overnight, in the 1950 it was more (what we'd call) conservative than we are now. It was targeted by the left and inculcated in their poisonous values. Well, those values have been a disaster for the black community, but that's all they know, because nobody is making a counter case. It took them 60 years to get here, it's going to take 60 years to get back, but somebody better start.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 03, 2015 12:59 PM (WvS3w)

213 "Perhaps you could test-market your strategy in
Ferguson. Or Baltimore. Or Compton. Or Chicago. Or Newark. Or Detroit.
Or Oakland. See how it flies there. Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 03, 2015 12:49 PM (oKE6c)
"

Republicans don't court the Black vote because they are frightened squishes. It's much more comfortable to reach across the isle, compromise then go get a massage and work their tan. They are all decadent bitches.

It really doesn't matter whether 25% of blacks vote in those areas or not.
But, 25% of black vote from areas where the vote could go either way would make the difference. If Perry takes 45% Hispanic and 25% Black vote there will be no Democrat party.

ps

It was the Black preachers in Houston that stood up against the transgender bathroom ordinance. Today, it is the Black pastors who are standing up against SCOTUS heterophobia.

Posted by: Ralph at July 03, 2015 01:04 PM (glJL/)

214 It took them 60 years to get here, it's going to take 60 years to get back, but somebody better start.

Posted by: Weirddave at July 03, 2015 12:59 PM (WvS3w)

I think my approach would be a better first step. "You've been played." That gets people's attention, particularly if they were beginning to sense just that. Then later segue to the individual freedom argument. Opening with the latter is a non-starter, IMO.

Posted by: Brian at July 03, 2015 01:05 PM (oKE6c)

215
My broader point is, nobody's trying.
Posted by: Weirddave

Political marginal utility and negative feedback. A message or action that theoretically might win a black vote is more likely to lose one or more corresponding white vote.

Net change - zero or worse.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 03, 2015 01:08 PM (kdS6q)

216 _213, Clarification: "those areas", meaning - Ferguson. Or Baltimore. Or Compton. Or Chicago. Or Newark. Or Detroit.

re Perry attacking Trump. That's a counter punch. Trump attacked Perry in his announcement speech.

Posted by: Ralph at July 03, 2015 01:13 PM (glJL/)

217 Why on earth would inviting good people to join us have a negative impact?

Posted by: Ralph at July 03, 2015 01:15 PM (glJL/)

218 He emphatically urged his party to work harder to connect with black voters and suggested the GOP has occasionally focused too much on state rights at the expense of civil rights.

Interesting position for a Republican from Texas.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 03, 2015 11:08 AM (g1DWB)

I urge you to listen to or read his speech.

The Republicans need to reclaim their party as the party of civil rights. We've ceded that to the Democrats and need to attack them on their record.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at July 03, 2015 01:19 PM (0RdKg)

219 "All of which he could have done without racist or nationalist bomb throwing and insults. Or he could have kept those and run as the Democrat he is."

GOPers love to co-opt the raycissst meme against Americans telling the truth.

What are you afraid Mexico will send us the rest of their gang-bangers? Don't worry with 25% of their population illegally here already I think most of them are here now.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 03, 2015 01:22 PM (TcGpp)

220 "Net change - zero or worse."

Yep. They deal in what they think it ought to be not what it is.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at July 03, 2015 01:26 PM (TcGpp)

221 >>I urge you to listen to or read his speech.

I did. I don't disagree with the idea that Republicans need to forcefully reclaim their lead on civil rights but I think that Perry is less than a perfect messenger.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 03, 2015 01:36 PM (g1DWB)

222
221_[Perry], ...less than the perfect messenger".
That's a pretty high bar you're putting him up against.

Posted by: Ralph at July 03, 2015 01:43 PM (glJL/)

223 Forget the black voters; they'll always belong to the party of government handouts, so don't waste your time.

As for Perry the Cow College cheerleader, he's a political lightweight. If he's the best conservatives can do, then we're doomed. He's not highly thought of down here in Lone Star country.

Posted by: Ramon from Texas at July 03, 2015 01:44 PM (hRytD)

224 >>That's a pretty high bar you're putting him up against.

I didn't set the bar, this is where we are and he is in fact seeking the most powerful job in the world. Circumstances have set the bar. I may be a bit jaded on Perry but I've frankly never been impressed. He is a product of his environment not some conservative action hero.

Or maybe I'm just heartless.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 03, 2015 01:50 PM (g1DWB)

225 224>>,
Yes, he doesn't necessarily come across a "leader of the free world" against polished politicians. His credibility comes from his tenure as governor in Texas.

Put each of the current candidates and appoint them governor of Texas when Bush was inaugurated; would Texas be as well off as it is today? I don't think so. A part of Perry's skill set is opening the door and getting the hell out of the way.

Posted by: Ralph at July 03, 2015 02:04 PM (glJL/)

226 "He is a product of his environment not some conservative action hero.
Or maybe I'm just heartless."

It he was some sort of Conservative Thought Leader, it wouldn't take him two weeks to speak out on Trump. He's another PR poseur - sitting back for days, formulating and focus-grouping his message, having the speech written and re-written for him until it's "just right" then he turns on the (low-wattage, IMO) charm and reads what he "feels in his heart" from the teleprompter. And of course he's point man for Feel Team Pander. I trust no Texas politician on immigration, much less one who already spoke from his heart on our heartlessness in 2012. I don't trust Cruz on immigration either. The Pander is too strong in Texas' corridors of power. I frankly don't trust any politician from a purple or blue state on immigration outside of Tancredo, and Sessions is the only guy currently making waves - from deeply non-Hispanic Arkansas.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 03, 2015 02:11 PM (WIOql)

227 As for Perry's record in Texas, credit where credit is due to a point. I expect anyone who professes to believe in limited government, low taxes and deregulation to prosper over time, and Texas has been well-situated to take advantage of economic trends during his tenure. In the long run, however, all that shows me is that he's smart enough not to over-regulate his way out of good fortune when it's presented to him, and that he's fiscally above-average in a party where average = Chris Christie in terms of economic policy.

I credit the voters of Texas more than Perry for their relative prosperity during Recovery Slumber. They don't fall for too many bullshit schemes compared to the average voters in other states on the local or statehouse level.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 03, 2015 02:18 PM (WIOql)

228 As I've said before, Cruz' CV qualifies him more for Solicitor General with a view to the federal bench and maybe eventually SCOTUS, but he has shown the opposite of leadership in the Senate and has a tendency to grandstand.

Nonetheless, he is a serious man and serious candidate. Perry has one of the best records as Governor ever. That a clown like Trump is ahead of them in polls just shows we have too many idiots being polled.

Therefore, polls are a stupid way to determine debates, especially when several of the "qualifiers" won't be able to beat the margin of error.

Posted by: Adjoran at July 03, 2015 04:30 PM (QIQ6j)

229 Well. Perry's in my top two/three and Trump (so far) is not. But on this, Trump is 100% correct and it pains me to see Perry go against him. I much prefer Cruz's defense of Trump the other day.

FYI: I was a huge Trump supporter in '11 but was disappointed when he dropped the bc issue after Obama released an OBVIOUS hoax. I was disappointed when he teased but ultimately never ran. I was further disgusted by him recently when he blamed Pamela Geller for what happened in Garland and went so far as to say that we shouldn't be insulting Muslims. If not for that, Trump would be in my top three candidates right now. And with the way he is turning the tables on the media and Macy's and defending himself for his factual comments on immigrants, he's got me taking a second look.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at July 03, 2015 06:00 PM (xetep)

230 Kathryn Steinle was murdered yesterday in San Fran by an illegal Mexican. Proving Trump correct. It is the top story at the Daily Mail, Drudge, and The Conservative Treehouse.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at July 03, 2015 07:15 PM (xetep)

231 201
If a Republican takes 25% of the black vote....
Posted by: Weirddave

Ah, the eternal myth of the Black Republican voter yearning to break free:

blackdemographics.com/culture/black-politics

GOP hasn't hit that 25% metric since Eisenhower, which was a vet special case.

Look at the trend. Ain't never gonna happen again.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 03, 2015 12:31 PM (kdS6q)

Have to concur with LDC. Perry is doing the right thing by speaking to black audiences like Rand Paul has been doing, and he has Ninja Rock hanging around his neck, so he shouldn't expect to see any benefit for his trouble. Black voters probably appreciate the gesture more than Iowa voters will, so there's that.

The biggest hurdle for the GOP to overcome in their outreach efforts to the black community is their reflexive support for law enforcement. Hearing from right wing pundits that cops are always right no matter that an unarmed black person is dead and then calling protestors "thugs"is going to offend blacks and reaffirm stereotypes about racist Republicans. The Dems really push that Southern Strategy myth hard.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at July 04, 2015 10:53 AM (nCKKS)

232 Perry should speak directly to blacks about the Southern strategy and how it's been proven that people vote in their economic interest regardless their race and why he switched from Dem to the GOP and how low taxes and low spending are good for everyone and the Texas Miracle he presided over for 13 years is proof. He's a gifted retail politician and could make that case. He should even take another swing at Trump and point out that besides talking shit and never running for shit before, he's also filed bankruptcy a bunch and only has a bunch of money because he inherited it.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at July 04, 2015 11:02 AM (nCKKS)

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