Obama Negotiators Claim They Have Super Plan to Guarantee Incredible Transparency in the Iran Deal-- But That Plan Will Have to be Kept Secret from Both the Iranian and American Publics

I don't know why I expected that sentence would end any other way.

Eli Lake & Josh Rogin:

Important details of the nuclear agreement President Barack Obama says would bring unprecedented transparency to Iran's nuclear program will themselves be shrouded from the U.S. and Iranian publics, according to nuclear experts.
Officially, negotiators in Vienna have not made any decisions on what parts of the agreement would be released openly and what elements will be briefed to Congress but not publicly disclosed...
Richard Nephew, who served as a U.S. negotiator in the talks until February and is now the head of the economic statecraft program at Columbia University, told us that he didn't expect that large sections of the agreement would be secret, but he anticipated that there would be some interpretations of the text that the administration would share only with Congress.
"Will there be carefully worded sections that seem odd? That will happen," Nephew predicted. "Will there be some wholesale manipulation of what is agreed to? I don't think it's possible. In the end most of this stuff will be public. There may be a few things withheld or interpretations made clear in classified interpretation."
"Some aspects of the annexes may not be made public, which is different than being secret," Daryl Kimball, the executive director of the Arms Control Association, told us.

Oh my God.

Just put this country out of its misery now, huh?

Since Obama has started "negotiating," he's simply given up all previously-stated critical US goals and embraced wholly the Iranian position, which is the Judge Smails position: "You'll get nothing and like it."

Steven Hayes:

One week before the June 30 deadline for a nuclear deal with Iran, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei made a series of demands about the final terms. Among them: He called for an immediate end to all United Nations Security Council and U.S. economic sanctions on Iran; he said Iranian military sites would not be subject to international inspections; he declared that Iran would not abide a long-term freeze on nuclear research; and he ruled out interviews with individuals associated with Iran’s nuclear program as part of any enforcement plan.
The New York Times headline read "Iran's Supreme Leader, Khamenei, Seems to Pull Back on Nuclear Talks." That’s one explanation. The more likely one: Khamenei understands that Barack Obama is desperate for this deal and will agree to just about anything to make it a reality. In private remarks caught on tape, top White House foreign policy adviser Ben Rhodes likened the Iran deal to Obamacare in its importance to the administration. And on April 2, the president held a press conference to celebrate the preliminary "historic understanding with Iran" that, he said, was "a good deal, a deal that meets our core objectives."
But the impending deal is not a good one. It legitimizes a rogue state, shifts regional power to the world’' most aggressive state sponsor of terror, strengthens the mullahs’ hold on power, and guides Iran to nuclear threshold status. Those are not our "core objectives." They are Iran's.

And here's why I not only quit the GOP but now cheer its coming demise: The GOP, thinking it was clever, which it is not, has already approved this treaty, whatever it turns out to be.

Corker proposed it, but then they all went along with it. Including our Senatorial presidential candidates.

This piece of shit, whatever it turns out to be, is already US law.

Corker's was the last sell-out straw that broke this camel's back.

After Corker, I just said: "I'm done."

We need a third party and frankly we need a second country.

And yes, I support Mike Flynn: Because we need someone on the inside who will not put up with this shit.

Posted by: Ace at 01:29 PM

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1 Foist

Posted by: Joe Mama at July 02, 2015 01:32 PM (L52Oz)

2 More secret deals, eh?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 02, 2015 01:32 PM (LA7Cm)

3 But of course.

Posted by: HH at July 02, 2015 01:32 PM (Qia1Z)

4 Or foisted, if you will, upon us.

Posted by: Joe Mama at July 02, 2015 01:32 PM (L52Oz)

5 It really shows how out-of-touch the GOPe is. I get immigration or some other issues but "GOP stalls Obama's Iran deal" is not going to make anybody upset who is not already an Obamabot.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 02, 2015 01:33 PM (b65cm)

6 Fug it. I've got some electrical to work on. Maybe I can just shock the piss out of myself and numb the pain...

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at July 02, 2015 01:33 PM (CFcIt)

7 Since Obama's goal is to destroy Israel, what about this is surprising?

Posted by: OCBill at July 02, 2015 01:33 PM (gWeJe)

8 You have to vote for it to find out what's in it. Or you could have Justice Roberts fix it a couple of years later. Yep - consent of the governed.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 02, 2015 01:33 PM (oDCMR)

9 "Those are not our "core objectives." They are Iran's."

Well, to be honest, Barry didn't specify who the "our" was in his statement.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 02, 2015 01:33 PM (LA7Cm)

10 In truth, at least Cruz tried to fight it, or kill it with amendments, but it's tough to fight with all the knives in your back.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 02, 2015 01:34 PM (q5APL)

11 So what does this administration call that 13 tons of gold?

Oh right, Danesgeld. And guess what they will be back demanding more.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 01:34 PM (/8So2)

12 Yep, Transparency. The hallmark of this administration.

Posted by: Joe Mama at July 02, 2015 01:34 PM (L52Oz)

13 In truth, at least Cruz tried to fight it, or kill it with amendments, but it's tough to fight with all the knives in your back.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 02, 2015 01:34 PM (q5APL)

14 Obey ape law.

Posted by: Dr. Zaius at July 02, 2015 01:34 PM (W5DcG)

15 what the fuck is wrong with both the Retards & the Demshits??

Posted by: submariner at July 02, 2015 01:34 PM (GSUU/)

16 "Some aspects of the annexes may not be made public, which is different than being secret," Daryl Kimball, the executive director of the Arms Control Association, told us.

Totally different.

Kinda like Obama's transcripts: not secret, just not made public.

OK.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 02, 2015 01:34 PM (oKE6c)

17 Did you know that our biggest problem is a fixation on purity?

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 02, 2015 01:34 PM (Spluw)

18 Looks like the Pubs are shooting .35s again.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 02, 2015 01:34 PM (oDCMR)

19 Uh ... weren't secret protocols cited as one of the causes of WWI?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 02, 2015 01:35 PM (oKE6c)

20 We got 32 tons and what did you get?

Another week older and more of O's sh*t!

Posted by: Tehran Ernie Ford at July 02, 2015 01:35 PM (L52Oz)

21 Look how many bills we've passed, and the bipartisanship! We're showing the American people they can really trust the GOP to get things done!

Posted by: Mitch McConnel at July 02, 2015 01:35 PM (L7QrQ)

22 But ace! Now congress gets to see the "not a treaty" treaty before it gets approved! So they were awesome in doing that! I mean yeah they abdicated their responsibility and Iran is going to have an "I won't cum in your mouth" attitude to whatever joke of the restrictions there are for them. But at least Congress can now see this deal that Iran won't follow before its approved!

Winning!!

Posted by: buzzion at July 02, 2015 01:36 PM (zt+N6)

23 In before the This Is Really A Victory For Conservatives guy.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2015 01:36 PM (xSCb6)

24 I am going to do that thing in your mouth. And tomorrow, I will do it again.

Posted by: Chupacabras at July 02, 2015 01:36 PM (F26eZ)

25 "Some aspects of the annexes may not be made public, which is different than being secret," Daryl Kimball, the executive director of the Arms Control Association, told us.

Huh?

Posted by: huerfano at July 02, 2015 01:37 PM (bynk/)

26 I remember the good old days when Pubs would just gum up the process and play for time. Now they've become Barry's Step and Fetch.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 02, 2015 01:37 PM (oDCMR)

27 This piece of shit, whatever it turns out to be, is already US law.

There is no US law, and once we accept that we can begin the necessary process of a new start

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 02, 2015 01:37 PM (R8hU8)

28 This business will get out of control. It will get out of control, and we'll be lucky to live through it.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at July 02, 2015 01:37 PM (Y3fo/)

29 That sound you hear is the unique powering up whine of the Pratt & Whitney F100 turbofan engine on about a bazillion Israeli and Saudi F-15s.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 02, 2015 01:37 PM (659DL)

30 My decision to stop voting looks better every day.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 02, 2015 01:37 PM (YFw5T)

31 I still like Rick Perry's take on the issue.

Obama's a horrible negotiator and his goals are very different than America's.

Other than that, what could go wrong?

Posted by: Lauren at July 02, 2015 01:37 PM (MYCIw)

32 have them where I want them

Posted by: satan barbed wired penis at July 02, 2015 01:38 PM (GSUU/)

33 "Huh?"

Just more lying, double-speak BS.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 02, 2015 01:38 PM (LA7Cm)

34 I'm sure the part about nuking Israel will be public.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 02, 2015 01:38 PM (mf5HN)

35 As long as we're letting Iran gets nukes, we should make sure they know where DC is.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 02, 2015 01:38 PM (oKE6c)

36 World War I?

Secret treaty codicils. Secret war plans. And outright stupidity. Thus setting the stage to allow the death of one guy to gut a continent in four years of war.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 01:38 PM (/8So2)

37 More "good news." Just got a news update from Breitbart. Scott Walker's campaign has hired another anti-conservative in Brad Dayspring.

I'm done.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 02, 2015 01:38 PM (FsuaD)

38 Doublespeak plus good comrade!

Posted by: George at July 02, 2015 01:38 PM (HstNY)

39 The end of the both political parties can't come soon enough.

Posted by: Feh at July 02, 2015 01:39 PM (zto2Y)

40 This piece of shit, whatever it turns out to be, is already US law.

We have laws now? I thought we just had penumbrae and adumbrations.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 02, 2015 01:39 PM (oKE6c)

41
They hired Chuck De Caro???

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 02, 2015 01:39 PM (iQIUe)

42 The line that frightens me? "interpretations made clear in classified interpretation.". That's so the public release can talk about rigorous inspections, but the secret details but or remove them.

Posted by: Grimaldi at July 02, 2015 01:39 PM (L7QrQ)

43 OT

Oh AlextheChick, what do you think of these boots?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/qbnwws9

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 01:40 PM (/8So2)

44 This guy is a lousy negotiator. Not only am I a better negotiator, but I'm the best negotiator to ever live.

Posted by: Donald at July 02, 2015 01:40 PM (F26eZ)

45 One would almost think somebody wants Iran to have the bomb.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 02, 2015 01:40 PM (C278+)

46 i am the destroyer, in secret. u will never know it untill its finish

Posted by: satan barbed wired penis at July 02, 2015 01:40 PM (GSUU/)

47 That sound you hear is the unique powering up whine of the Pratt
Whitney F100 turbofan engine on about a bazillion Israeli and Saudi
F-15s.

I give it an 8; it's got a nice beat and I can dance to it.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 02, 2015 01:40 PM (ZKzrr)

48 The weight of this government is oppressive. I'm like that COPD woman lying on the couch with an elephant perched on her chest, only the elephant is named "Federal Government." I'm filled with hatred and despair - sort of a Frenchified version of my former self. The Fed juggernaut will not be stopped in my lifetime.

Posted by: kathysaysso at July 02, 2015 01:40 PM (fMQoG)

49 It's beginning to dawn on me why I'm always in a pissy mood.

Posted by: BignJames at July 02, 2015 01:40 PM (j7iSn)

50 as long as DC is the first American city nuked, i can live with this...

kinda.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 02, 2015 01:40 PM (Vha1U)

51 Secret treaty codicils. Secret war plans. And
outright stupidity. Thus setting the stage to allow the death of one guy
to gut a continent in four years of war.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 01:38 PM (/8So2)
Secret treaty codicils? Check.
Secret war plans? Check.
Outright stupidity? God knows, CHECK!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 02, 2015 01:41 PM (oKE6c)

52 45
One would almost think somebody wants Iran to have the bomb.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 02, 2015 01:40 PM (C278+)

Nukes hitting a few major U. S. cities would certainly fundamentally transform us.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 02, 2015 01:41 PM (FsuaD)

53 So we get another Sooper Sekret Deal (ChoomTrade was the previous one) and have to rely on the word of an America-hating, Muzzie-loving liar (and the Iranians) that it's all good?

I don't think so, Buckaroo.

It's time for Congress to stop listening to their Big Donors and the fears of the Corpulent "Captain" ("Bad optics!11!!" he cried) and throw the treasonous rat-bastard out of office, and dispense with his cadre of low-lifes at the same time.

But I suppose we'll just have to wait for the first nuke blast, probably on the outskirts of Jerusalem, to provide proof positive that the worst thing American citizens have ever done to their country was to put Choom Boy in office.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 02, 2015 01:41 PM (P8YHq)

54 Obama's a horrible negotiator if you assume his goals align with America's.

Considering he's handed the GOP its ass in negotiations repeatedly for six years, then the GOP is worse at negotiations than Obama...assuming their goals are different.

But vote GOP! Yay team!

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2015 01:41 PM (xSCb6)

55 So what happens if one of Iran's Core Objectives is to spur the arrival of the 12th Imam? Is Barky okay with that?

Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at July 02, 2015 01:42 PM (RD7QR)

56 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 01:42 PM (kff5f)

57 "One would almost think somebody wants Iran to have the bomb."

One could come to that conclusion. Quite reasonably.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 02, 2015 01:42 PM (LA7Cm)

58 I just don't get how they got politicians to cede power. Money I get, but these guys live for power, and they've sold it off for something.

Posted by: Chupacabras at July 02, 2015 01:42 PM (F26eZ)

59 Yeah, "transparency". I know what it means. Like when your mother has a dick, right?

Posted by: Emperor Clusterfuck I at July 02, 2015 01:42 PM (YFFpo)

60 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 01:42 PM (kff5f)

61 F*ck that guy.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 01:42 PM (kff5f)

62 Speaking of Saudi Arabia, who wants to go play contractor and support the Eurofighter Typhoons?

http://www.bayt.com/en/job/typhoon-armament-supervisor-in-saudi-arabia- 50066803/

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 01:43 PM (/8So2)

63 My Lie-To-Truth Translation Dictionary, 28th Ed. is starting to turn to dust with all the page-flipping required deciphering our government.

Does Peruvia grow bananas? I'm thinking it would be the better republic than the one we now have.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 02, 2015 01:43 PM (1CroS)

64 And for the trillionth time, what about the American prisoners being held by Iran???

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 02, 2015 01:43 PM (FsuaD)

65 Nukes hitting a few major U. S. cities would certainly fundamentally transform us.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 02, 2015 01:41 PM (FsuaD)

There's been talk that Iran already has 2-3 Hiroshima type bomb.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 02, 2015 01:43 PM (C278+)

66 Iran already has nukes. They are just dragging this out to get them on container ships and mating them to missles.

Posted by: Drill_Thraw at July 02, 2015 01:43 PM (fO0en)

67 The "economic statecraft program at Columbia University". eff me. I guess they turn out economic statecraftespeople such as barky mcfuckstick

Posted by: Roscoe at July 02, 2015 01:43 PM (lHpdV)

68
This piece of shit, whatever it turns out to be, is already US law.

I know you can't make ex post facto law. It is news to me that you can make...what?...a priori facto law?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 02, 2015 01:43 PM (JtwS4)

69 55 So what happens if one of Iran's Core Objectives is to spur the arrival of the 12th Imam? Is Barky okay with that?
Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at July 02, 2015 01:42 PM (RD7QR)

Sure. Given his galloping narcissism, he probably figures he IS the 12th imam.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 02, 2015 01:44 PM (oKE6c)

70 It's time for dissolution. The United States government is no longer legitimate. It no longer adheres to the Constitution. It is no loner a representative republic.

You know who I'll vote for? Someone who announces that truth.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 01:44 PM (kff5f)

71 I hope it doesn't affect the downward trend for gold and silver.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 02, 2015 01:44 PM (kivUY)

72 In completely unrelated news-You can now by fireworks in Georgia that go bang!

Not just any old bang. Oh no. The reporterette on our local station tells us that the maximum gunpowder charge has been raised from 300 to 500 kg this year.

No, that's not a misprint on my part.

Talk about celebrating Independence Day!

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at July 02, 2015 01:44 PM (X+nFp)

73 Look, they don't care about you, they don't like you, they want you powerless and begging, and if you protest anything they do, they'll point to you and say *you're* the problem.

Happy Fourth of July, chump!

Posted by: Feh at July 02, 2015 01:44 PM (zto2Y)

74 Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 01:43 PM (/8So2)

Typhoon armamment, huh?

Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 02, 2015 01:44 PM (659DL)

75 I heard about Walker & Brad Dayspring - also Perry has Austin Barbour. Sigh. Deal breakers.
I propose a Horde Presidential Bracketology - we might as well laugh about all of it. I alpha order:
1 Bush, 2 Carson, 3 Christie, 4 Cruz, 5 Fiorina, 6 Graham, 7 Huckabee, 8 Jindal, 9 Kasich, 10 Pataki, 11 Paul, 12 Perry, 13 Rubio, 14 Santorum, 15 Trump, 16 Walker

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at July 02, 2015 01:44 PM (02oLK)

76 64 And for the trillionth time, what about the American prisoners being held by Iran???
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 02, 2015 01:43 PM (FsuaD)

We have no more Taliban leaders to trade so they'll just have to bide their time in an Iranian hell-hole (redundant)

Posted by: Drill_Thraw at July 02, 2015 01:45 PM (fO0en)

77 i fought the cold war & we won, only to be destroyed from within. SICK

Posted by: submariner at July 02, 2015 01:45 PM (GSUU/)

78 The details of what may or may not happen in your mouth may not be publicly disclosed but in no way does this make them "secret".

Posted by: Barky O' Fukcstick at July 02, 2015 01:45 PM (O+EPK)

79 Remember the "No-Paper" deal "inked" by Kerry and Catherine Ashton in Davos in 2013?

Neither does google.

Posted by: 13times at July 02, 2015 01:45 PM (WHVu+)

80 The mistake was ever pretending we could negotiate with the biggest supporter of state terrorism in the world. The deal is irrelevant, Iran was never going to play by the rules.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 02, 2015 01:45 PM (g1DWB)

81 The mistake was ever pretending we could negotiate with the biggest supporter of state terrorism in the world. The deal is irrelevant, Iran was never going to play by the rules.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 02, 2015 01:45 PM (g1DWB)

82 We've been conquered by an alien presence.

All of your sphincters are belong to us.

Posted by: Fritz at July 02, 2015 01:45 PM (o/UmK)

83 If Iran nukes us, it damn well better be the east coast or chicago. Fair is fair...

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 02, 2015 01:45 PM (iQIUe)

84 so basically it's just like when a democrat official "negotiates" with a public employee union.

Posted by: X at July 02, 2015 01:45 PM (xGNLA)

85 Sure. Given his galloping narcissism, he probably figures he IS the 12th imam.

Someone needs to tell TFG the 12th imam is supposedly at the bottom of a well. Or something.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 02, 2015 01:45 PM (FsuaD)

86 Eh, laws only mean what the Supreme Court says they mean. They're just WORDS, they don't mean anything, right?

Listen, if the country's going to go full-lawless, I'm ready and willing to go along with that. I have guns and coffee, bitches.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at July 02, 2015 01:45 PM (Wqv3y)

87 The reporterette on our local station tells us that the maximum gunpowder charge has been raised from 300 to 500 kg this year.

Get the hell out of there!!!!!

Posted by: Every Robert Loggia Role at July 02, 2015 01:46 PM (659DL)

88 It's beginning to dawn on me why I'm always in a pissy mood.

Posted by: BignJames

It could have something to do with the feckless sh*tweasel at the helm who is doing everything within his power to destroy the fabric of this country and to level the playing field on the global stage--ie, bring us down to the level of a third world banana republic.

Just maybe.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 02, 2015 01:46 PM (/Ho8c)

89 I'm trying to come back but there are these four assholes on differently-coloured horses ahead of me driving slow in the fast lane. Don't you hate that?

Posted by: the twelfth imam at July 02, 2015 01:46 PM (kivUY)

90 24 >>
I am going to do that thing in your mouth. And tomorrow, I will do it again.

All part of the secret protocols. Didn't you read them?

And I kinda hate to tell you this, but *swallowing* is also specified.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 02, 2015 01:46 PM (vNUIf)

91 I'm beginning to think Obama has a mild dislike of America.

I'm also getting a hint of it from the GOP.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 02, 2015 01:46 PM (1CroS)

92 And there is a year and a half to go...if the nation doesn`t implode first.

Posted by: tbd at July 02, 2015 01:46 PM (i1mtX)

93 I mentioned this earlier: The Iran "nuclear" deal is already done. $12 Billion in gold was flown from S. Africa to Tehran yesterday. That's where the Iranian's interest begins and ends. No word on the 4 American hostages. I'm sure President Jarrett will get right on that.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 02, 2015 01:46 PM (5buP8)

94 "shrouded from the U.S. and Iranian publics"

Ha, ha.

The Iranians will celebrate with parades and flag burnings and tossing gays off buildings before the ink is dry.

Posted by: pj at July 02, 2015 01:46 PM (cHuNI)

95 @62 - oh, you mean the Typhoons for which the Saudis demanded bribe money for all the Sa'ud ne'er-do-wells, and when the UK Serious Fraud Office investigated the Saudis basically pulled the Magic Christian number and got Tony Blair to make them eat their report with a little malt vinegar.

Could be a fun gig for someone with the right qualifications.

Posted by: JEM (sometimes The Devoceleraptor) at July 02, 2015 01:46 PM (o+SC1)

96 50 as long as DC is the first American city nuked, i can live with this...

kinda.
--------------------
Nope. It would be Israel, NYC and Hollywood if the Ayatollahs are smart. Then world peace.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 02, 2015 01:46 PM (oDCMR)

97 83: DC, NYC and SoCal are the first targets

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at July 02, 2015 01:46 PM (UhRGU)

98 The mistake was ever ~~pretending we could negotiate with the biggest supporter of state terrorism in the world. The deal is irrelevant, Iran was never going to play by the rules~~ electing Barack Obama in the first place.

Thanks 52%!

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 01:47 PM (kff5f)

99 And the reason they keep telling us that they fear "right wing extremists most of all"?

Because they know they're traitorous cocksuckers who have sold us all down the river.

And their greatest fear is the justice that is coming to them.

Posted by: Feh at July 02, 2015 01:47 PM (zto2Y)

100 So he's itching to allow an Islamic theocracy to gain the power to nuke, but don't you DARE suggest he's even a Muslim sympathizer, let alone a Muslim himself.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2015 01:47 PM (xSCb6)

101 Trump on this yet? And has NBC/Macy*s?UniVision denounced him for his position?

Posted by: Weasel at July 02, 2015 01:47 PM (6xtq3)

102 OT

Oh AlextheChick, what do you think of these boots?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/qbnwws9
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 01:40 PM (/8So2)

Me likey.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 02, 2015 01:47 PM (mf5HN)

103 I'm pretty sure that should read: Double secret plan

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 02, 2015 01:47 PM (aq5Dc)

104 86 Eh, laws only mean what the Supreme Court says they mean. They're just WORDS, they don't mean anything, right?
------------------
You have a point. I'll try that argument the next time I get pulled.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 02, 2015 01:48 PM (oDCMR)

105 "who wants to go play contractor and support the Eurofighter Typhoons?"

Do you have to be qualified?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 02, 2015 01:48 PM (LA7Cm)

106 No nuking Chicago, I like their pizza.

Posted by: Feh at July 02, 2015 01:48 PM (zto2Y)

107 Barky couldn't negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag.

Posted by: Killerdog at July 02, 2015 01:49 PM (G3lfj)

108 Good stealth edit on the title.

Posted by: VT at July 02, 2015 01:49 PM (Ll70k)

109 JEM, yep.

AlextheChick those boots are shiny.

Ricardo, do you have Q course annotation and prior experience with Typhoons? If yes, put your name in.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 01:50 PM (/8So2)

110 You know who I'll vote for? Someone who announces that truth.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 01:44 PM (kff5f)

Rest assured that you will not hear those words from any of the candidates

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 02, 2015 01:50 PM (R8hU8)

111 No nuking Chicago, I like their pizza.
We'll fly the chefs out [there's some precedence for that] and then nuke it. Happy?

Posted by: andycanuck at July 02, 2015 01:50 PM (kivUY)

112 Choom Boy's negotiation skills reached their highest level around a bong.

Posted by: Feh at July 02, 2015 01:50 PM (zto2Y)

113 No nuking Chicago, I like their pizza.
Posted by: Feh

Nuke Chicago. NY pizza is far superior.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 02, 2015 01:50 PM (Spluw)

114 I have many ban-worthy comments re: Iran + DC

Posted by: DaveA at July 02, 2015 01:50 PM (DL2i+)

115 I assume the reason WHY they are doing this will also not be made public.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 02, 2015 01:50 PM (n3WEd)

116 @105 - probably. Unfortunately. Either that or have friends with helpful friends.

Posted by: JEM (sometimes The Devoceleraptor) at July 02, 2015 01:50 PM (o+SC1)

117 The Iranians will celebrate with parades and flag burnings and tossing gays off buildings before the ink is dry. Posted by: pj at July 02, 2015 01:46 PM

A large percentage of Americans will celebrate with parades and flag burnings and tossing white heteros off buildings at the same time.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 02, 2015 01:50 PM (P8YHq)

118 No nuking Chicago, I like their pizza.

That's not pizza. That's some sort of unholy pie/casserole/lasagna thing.

Posted by: Every Robert Loggia Role at July 02, 2015 01:51 PM (659DL)

119 Nuclear pizza, those are some spicy pepperonis si?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 01:51 PM (/8So2)

120 I know this is a difficult thing to process, but votes don't matter.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 02, 2015 01:51 PM (YFw5T)

121 "Some aspects of the annexes may not be made
public, which is different than being secret," Daryl Kimball, the
executive director of the Arms Control Association, told us.

Huh?

Posted by: huerfano at July 02, 2015 01:37 PM (bynk/)

If they are secret, we won't tell you about the details of the annexes, if the annexes are not to be made public, we just won't let you see them!

Voila, transparency!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 02, 2015 01:51 PM (ftVQq)

122 Rest assured that you will not hear those words from any of the candidates

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 02, 2015 01:50 PM (R8hU

Yeah, I know that. Doesn't mean I can't hope.

But I think even our TX State Pols are too cowardly to do what is needful.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 01:51 PM (kff5f)

123 Happy?

Happy. Also, bring that mirrored bean thing in Millennial Park, which would look good in my fortified cul-de-sac.

Posted by: Feh at July 02, 2015 01:51 PM (zto2Y)

124 Support my Third Party, and you get a free pizza coupon*!

*redeemable upon my election to the Presidency or the end of the world, whichever comes first

Posted by: Panda Party at July 02, 2015 01:52 PM (VAsIq)

125 "do you have Q course annotation and prior experience with Typhoons? "

Do I gots wut?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 02, 2015 01:52 PM (LA7Cm)

126 We should call our new party the Lemon Party, because we're all so bitter.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 01:52 PM (kff5f)

127 Did I hear correctly that as a result of this deal, we are giving money to Iran? Will that make us accessories when Tel Aviv is sporting a mushroom cloud?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 02, 2015 01:53 PM (n3WEd)

128 But I think even our TX State Pols are too cowardly to do what is needful.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 01:51 PM (kff5f)

You are correct sir!

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 02, 2015 01:53 PM (R8hU8)

129 So Walker and Perry bringing in the usual conservative basher who are no doubt trying to push the discredited Win The Middle meme?

If I have that right, then they deserve to lose and we all deserve to finally stop circling the bowl.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2015 01:53 PM (xSCb6)

130 You little ant things are so adorable with your thinking you control your own fate.

Posted by: SMOD at July 02, 2015 01:53 PM (mf5HN)

131 83: DC, NYC and SoCal are the first targets

Nope, Riyadh. Iran wants KSA out of the way to control Islam. That is their main goal. This is still a sunni v shia war. Tel Aviv would be the second target. Iran for all their bluster see us and rightful so as a paper tiger.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 02, 2015 01:53 PM (C278+)

132 Look, Gruber proved that secrecy, like terrorism, works. There is no commitment to transparency because the Court thinks we don't merit it. We have no value to them other than paying annual tribute and giving them electoral fig leaves to cover their greasy asses.

Posted by: Feh at July 02, 2015 01:53 PM (zto2Y)

133 This plan is so secret that even the assholes in Congress haven't read it. Or is that business as usual?

Posted by: Fritz at July 02, 2015 01:53 PM (o/UmK)

134 *pulls out clipboard and fills in a checkbox*

Ricardo I would call that a "no" then. So you probably not a good fit.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 01:53 PM (/8So2)

135 "That's some sort of unholy pie/casserole/lasagna thing."

Some Chi-town chain known for it's Chicago style pizza just opened a location here in DFW. I'm told that I need to check it out. Never had.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 02, 2015 01:54 PM (LA7Cm)

136 Besides Obama , Jarret and their boot lickers, Why does everyone else accept Irans threatening to wipe out little Satan and Big Satan as just 'words"?

How is it that every word a fellow american speaks is suspect or threatening, but Iran's open policy of killing isn't?

They are known even by this administration to be supporting terrorists killing americans and others in the M.E but we are supposed to believe they are changing their minds about little satan and big satan?

Posted by: willow at July 02, 2015 01:54 PM (nqBYe)

137 Aren't these the same people that made fun of Cheney's "known unknowns"?

Posted by: Chupacabras at July 02, 2015 01:54 PM (F26eZ)

138 AllenG how about Booblicans? This is the Horde after all.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 01:54 PM (/8So2)

139 This is what happens when you hand the reigns of power to the freshman dorm.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 02, 2015 01:55 PM (WiU5D)

140 Anyone else remember the left whining about how Saddam Hussein was supported by the US in the 80s, only to be attacked by the US?

How in the name of Satan is this any different? And what happened to the no nukes assholes?

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 02, 2015 01:55 PM (Spluw)

141 Iran was never going to play by the rules.

Posted by: JackStraw

Exactly - wiping out the Mullahocracy has only been the only solution.

Posted by: DaveA at July 02, 2015 01:55 PM (DL2i+)

142
You little ant things are so adorable with your thinking you control your own fate.

Posted by: SMOD at July 02, 2015 01:53 PM (mf5HN)

Tiny ginger SMOD? I didn't see that one coming.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 02, 2015 01:55 PM (JtwS4)

143 A few years back. some enterprising reporters from Der Spiegel did a story on the cozy relationship between Venezuela and Iran, and had evidence the Iranians were building Shahab-3 missile launch installations in that country, which--if true--would put Iranian missiles within striking distance of the American Southwest.

Shit like that keeps me up at night.

Posted by: troyriser at July 02, 2015 01:55 PM (S08gh)

144 64 And for the trillionth time, what about the American prisoners being held by Iran???
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 02, 2015 01:43 PM (FsuaD)
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It's possible that this deal secretly includes their release, or at least the release of one of them. What matters to the Left, and to Obama especially, is the Image.

Think Bergdahl and the Rose Garden. Or the opening to Cuba and the fanfare of getting ONE political prisoner released. Maybe ONE prisoner will get out so Obama can have a prop. Then he can get applause from sentimental voters who have no idea how evil the deal is.

Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at July 02, 2015 01:55 PM (cN9Sk)

145 What I want to hear from a GOP candidate:

"If we ever have to retaliate against an Iranian nuke strike, Barack Obama, John Kerry, and Valerie Jarrett are going along, Slim Pickens style"

Posted by: JEM (sometimes The Devoceleraptor) at July 02, 2015 01:55 PM (o+SC1)

146 How is it that every word a fellow american speaks is suspect or threatening, but Iran's open policy of killing isn't? They are known even by this administration to be supporting terrorists killing americans and others in the M.E but we are supposed to believe they are changing their minds about little satan and big satan?
Posted by: willow

Because they've never flown a confederate flag. Duh.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 02, 2015 01:56 PM (Spluw)

147 If I'm the Saudis, I'm going to pick up my nuclear missiles I have on lay-away in Pakistan.

Posted by: MacGruber at July 02, 2015 01:56 PM (sWgE+)

148 127 Did I hear correctly that as a result of this deal, we are giving money to Iran?

See my comment at 93.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 02, 2015 01:56 PM (5buP8)

149 "96
50 as long as DC is the first American city nuked, i can live with this...

--------------------

Nope. It would be Israel, NYC and Hollywood if the Ayatollahs are smart."
**********************************************************

Hollywood, please. Mount Lee (where "Hollywood" sign is) oughta protect the San Fernando Valley from much of the blast. Pacoima por vida!
http://www.nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at July 02, 2015 01:56 PM (ucB75)

150 Aren't these the same people that made fun of Cheney's "known unknowns"?

Posted by: Chupacabras at July 02, 2015 01:54 PM (F26eZ)

and Rumsfeld's unknown unknowns

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 02, 2015 01:56 PM (ftVQq)

151 Posted by: SMOD at July 02, 2015 01:53 PM (mf5HN)

Screw you pal. I'm tired of waiting.

The robots are way closer than you are.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2015 01:56 PM (xSCb6)

152 Frank Burns: "It's all in your head....but don't going getting the idea that it's psychological."

Here we see the Obama administration communications policy.

Posted by: Every Robert Loggia Role at July 02, 2015 01:56 PM (659DL)

153 This business will get out of control. It will get out of control, and we'll be lucky to live through it.

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You think you'll live any longer if it stays in control? Must be you haven't read the plan.

Posted by: Iran at July 02, 2015 01:56 PM (n3WEd)

154 Preznit Jugears McFvckstick, the most traitorous douchebag in the history of this Republic.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 02, 2015 01:56 PM (wtvvX)

155 Iran is superior to the United States. If only Amerika ceased to exist, the world would forever be at peace. Amerika needs to be punished and put in its rightful place at the bottom!

All of us on the Left know this to be fact, and are teaching this to your children.

Posted by: Self-Hating Leftist Chompskyite, just like Obama at July 02, 2015 01:56 PM (fVOPU)

156 They say he's "desperate" for this deal, as if he really had American interests at heart and is merely being inept. But although he is SCO, he is not AMF. He is AMT.

Posted by: conservative acronyms at July 02, 2015 01:57 PM (xkSSa)

157 Brave Sir Robin, look at my comment #11.

Danegeld

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 01:57 PM (/8So2)

158 I'm kidding about the Chicago pizza thing. It's a gummy, chewy fat pie of a thing filled with random ingredients best left to people who want Chicago Style(TM) something so they can feel some iota of pride in what is otherwise a corrupt pig sty of the ruinous Democratic Machine.

Posted by: Feh at July 02, 2015 01:57 PM (zto2Y)

159 @Hrothgar

Yeah, him.

Posted by: Chupacabras at July 02, 2015 01:57 PM (F26eZ)

160 So, Obama gets to go full TRAITOR and only the Ayatollahs will know.

Posted by: Helmsley at July 02, 2015 01:57 PM (baR5c)

161 When Iran launches, these cretins will say "Oops, I didn't know that would happen." and it will be forgotten in moments (and never reported).

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 02, 2015 01:57 PM (aq5Dc)

162 Off "the taxes are for the little people" sock.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 02, 2015 01:58 PM (baR5c)

163 "Some aspects of the annexes may not be made public, which is different than being secret,"

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I should have invented triple-speak

Posted by: George O at July 02, 2015 01:58 PM (n3WEd)

164 " *pulls out clipboard and fills in a checkbox*"

Damn.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 02, 2015 01:58 PM (LA7Cm)

165 ***"How in the name of Satan is this any different? And what happened to the no nukes assholes?"***

My guess is it's the same flu that keeps the anti-war protesters at home when there's a Donk in the White House.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2015 01:58 PM (xSCb6)

166 This is what happens when you hand the reigns of power to the freshman dorm.

Faculty lounge, whatever.

Posted by: Every Robert Loggia Role at July 02, 2015 01:58 PM (659DL)

167 Lovely. The weekend of the 18th, I'll be driving through South Carolina, just in time for the KKK meets BLM cage match, and my wife will be visiting museums in both DC and NYC. Here's hoping neither of us ends up "in the news", or even near any "news".

Posted by: LincolnTF at July 02, 2015 01:58 PM (2cS/G)

168 >>>"If we ever have to retaliate against an Iranian nuke strike, Barack Obama, John Kerry, and Valerie Jarrett are going along, Slim Pickens style" <<<

I'm gonna take down those Kansas City Mullahs even if it hare-lips the Pope!

Posted by: Slim Pickens at July 02, 2015 01:58 PM (o/UmK)

169 Obama has compared himself to Lincoln. In a way, it's true.

He is the mirror image of Lincoln.

Lincoln tried and failed numerous times before he eventually succeeded.

Obama never put forth any effort at all to do anything and then failed miserably and dramatically.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at July 02, 2015 01:58 PM (BZAd3)

170 Tiny ginger SMOD? I didn't see that one coming.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 02, 2015 01:55 PM (JtwS4)

Nobody expects the Tiny Ginger SMOD!

Posted by: SMOD at July 02, 2015 01:59 PM (mf5HN)

171 @157 - and we'll never be rid of the Dane.

I'm frankly wondering why Li'l Kim's so quiet these days. Has he and the mullahs decided to play good-cop, bad-cop?

Posted by: JEM (sometimes The Devoceleraptor) at July 02, 2015 01:59 PM (o+SC1)

172 Velvet Ambition: "There is no US law, and once we accept that we can begin the necessary process of a new start"

See, this is the mentality we are going to need.

There is what you hope to have and then there is what you need to have. In the needing to have category is the understanding that US law and those who create/enforce them have essentially lost both meaning and legitimacy. "Representation" is moot.

Change will happen. In that reserve at least some Hope.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 02, 2015 01:59 PM (1CroS)

173 It's possible that this deal secretly includes their
release, or at least the release of one of them. Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at July 02, 2015 01:55 PM

If the American hostages are treasonous, cowardly shitweasels, you might be right.

Depending on skin tone, voting preferences and citizenship/immigration status, they might be useful tools for Choom Boy's PR Machine. But if they're just average white folks, they probably don't have a chance in hell of being cut loose.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 02, 2015 01:59 PM (P8YHq)

174 Iran's nuclear program is turning out to be a lot like the Obamacare legislation--Tehran has to complete it before we know what's in it.

I for one welcome our angry, odd-smelling, gown-wearing, Romulan-lookalike Persian masters.

Posted by: Genera Zod at July 02, 2015 01:59 PM (zLmTo)

175 >>93
I mentioned this earlier: The Iran "nuclear" deal is already done. $12
Billion in gold was flown from S. Africa to Tehran yesterday. That's
where the Iranian's interest begins and ends. No word on the 4 American
hostages. I'm sure President Jarrett will get right on that.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 02, 2015 01:46 PM (5buP

<<
Libs love to mention Reagan worked with the Iranians to get the hostages freed. And then sold arms to Iran.
Now they will cheer loudly as 1) Obama proclaims a foreign policy victory with this "deal" and B) Obama announces he has won the freedom of the US persons being held in Iran.
Liberals and Obama will never ever admit that the bullshit nuclear deal, caving to ever demand of the Ayatollah, is what got the hostages released.

Posted by: MacGruber at July 02, 2015 02:00 PM (sWgE+)

176 When Iran launches, these cretins will say "Oops, I didn't know that would happen." and it will be forgotten in moments (and never reported).
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 02, 2015 01:57 PM (aq5Dc)

No, when Iran launches, these cretins will say, "Oops, I didn't kn--".

Posted by: troyriser at July 02, 2015 02:00 PM (S08gh)

177 so are we still also notifying Iran when we or our allies are making strikes on Isis?

That actually makes me laugh. Not.

Posted by: willow at July 02, 2015 02:00 PM (nqBYe)

178 So he's itching to allow an Islamic theocracy to gain the power to nuke,
but don't you DARE suggest he's even a Muslim sympathizer, let alone a
Muslim himself.

He's blocking heavy munitions deliveries for the Kurds fighting ISIS, which suggests he's only sympathetic to certain flavors of Muslims.

http://is.gd/MVkBIz

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 02, 2015 02:00 PM (ZKzrr)

179 i agree with the people who think Iran already has some bombs of an atomic/nuclear nature. They are playing us for time.

Posted by: jjod at July 02, 2015 02:00 PM (0r7PZ)

180 Tiny ginger SMOD? I didn't see that one coming.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 02, 2015 01:55 PM (JtwS4)

.35 caliber

Posted by: wrg500 at July 02, 2015 02:00 PM (C278+)

181 143: Iranians were building Shahab-3 missile launch installations? In Venezuela?
Valero Gas Stations = CITGO = Venezuela = Chavez

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at July 02, 2015 02:00 PM (ucB75)

182
Maybe Mike Flynn can tell us what's in it if he gets in. Oh wait, he can't, its a state secret. The Stasi has said so.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 02, 2015 02:00 PM (ODxAs)

183 This plan is so secret that even the assholes in Congress haven't read it. Or is that business as usual?

Posted by: Fritz at July 02, 2015 01:53 PM (o/UmK)

You have been around long enough to know with certitude, that your Congresspeople don't actually work at a job with performance criteria!

Reading be hard yo!
And understanding what you read be even harder and potentially much more embarrassing if you allow questions in a townhall meeting (you do remember townhall meetings with your representatives do you not)?

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 02, 2015 02:01 PM (ftVQq)

184 Don't worry, Iran will soon have the bomb and will base it in Cuba. See how this all ties together

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2015 02:01 PM (wq4B0)

185 Nukes hitting a few major U. S. cities would certainly fundamentally transform us.

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Just remember it says NOTHING about Islam.

Posted by: George O at July 02, 2015 02:01 PM (n3WEd)

186 154 Preznit Jugears McFvckstick, the most traitorous douchebag in the history of this Republic

I hate to disagree, he's just a drug-addled, c*^#$@^#ing Iranian Candidate. It's Jarrett that's the princess of darkness.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 02, 2015 02:01 PM (5buP8)

187 124 Support my Third Party, and you get a free pizza coupon*!

*redeemable upon my election to the Presidency or the end of the world, whichever comes first

Posted by: Panda Party at July 02, 2015 01:52 PM (VAsIq)

Is that you Herman Cain?

Posted by: buzzion at July 02, 2015 02:01 PM (zt+N6)

188 This is why I'm voting for Donald Rients.

He just isn't for this!

Posted by: Art Griego at July 02, 2015 02:02 PM (XDwcC)

189 So what happens if one of Iran's Core Objectives is to spur the arrival of the 12th Imam? Is Barky okay with that?

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He probably thinks it's Him.

Posted by: George O at July 02, 2015 02:02 PM (n3WEd)

190 Another look at Alan Keyes?

Posted by: Alan Keyes at July 02, 2015 02:02 PM (F26eZ)

191 Well guess will dedicate a music video to this feckless and incompetent administration.

https://youtu.be/CduA0TULnow

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 02:02 PM (/8So2)

192 General Curtis Lemay where are you when we need you

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2015 02:02 PM (wq4B0)

193
Valero Gas Stations /= CITGO

Point of order, Valero and Citgo are completely unrelated. Citgo has its own stations.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 02, 2015 02:02 PM (aq5Dc)

194 Maybe Iran has secretly promised to purchase Chobani yogurt for their school lunch programs?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 02, 2015 02:03 PM (NjiZL)

195 ***"When Iran launches, these cretins will say "Oops, I didn't know that would happen." and it will be forgotten in moments (and never reported)."***

Why, it's almost as if there's a Slipper Slope there and, as we all know, that's a fallacy and therefore unpossible and can therefore never happen!

#LogicWins

Posted by: Typical Liberal at July 02, 2015 02:03 PM (xSCb6)

196 Nevergiveup, we are now friends with Cuba, we dislike partnering with our old hasbeen allies.

all these new allies will be much better for world peace.

Posted by: willow at July 02, 2015 02:03 PM (nqBYe)

197 @191 - not a big fan of hers, but at least she keeps the guys behind American Hi-Fi paid...

Posted by: JEM (sometimes The Devoceleraptor) at July 02, 2015 02:04 PM (o+SC1)

198 124 Support my Third Party, and you get a free pizza coupon*!

Hey! This coupon is for Little Caesars you cheap bastard!

Posted by: wrg500 at July 02, 2015 02:04 PM (C278+)

199 Iran already has nukes. They are just dragging this out to get them on container ships and mating them to missles.

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so looking forward to the day when Iran tells us they've already placed some in US cities. On the plus side, nuking Philly might turn Pa red.

Posted by: George O at July 02, 2015 02:04 PM (n3WEd)

200 Maybe I'll come back later...... slinks out quietly...

Posted by: donna at July 02, 2015 02:05 PM (Bn6aD)

201 When will it be PC to publicly acknowledge that Obama (and Hillary, Kerry, etc.) are all just a bunch of clueless idiots who could be outsmarted by a turnip?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 02, 2015 02:05 PM (kGrdk)

202 Dont' worry, the deal is AMAZING!

Yeah, and Obama totally has a girlfriend. She's a model and she lives in Canada and you can't ever meet her because he visits here there and she never comes here.

Posted by: MC Slammer at July 02, 2015 02:05 PM (eKIg1)

203 Meh, this is more of this ridiculous-

having America as the only superpower is a threat to world peace and makes us unsafe-

that the Dims have been jacking-off to since Clinton and Madeline Albright.

I guess the Bushes are hunky-dory with that view too as they keep trying to push China into the 1st world.

So, Iran is to be the Middle East Regional Power-

which has to lead to the elimination of Israel,

and probably the Sauds will get it up the pooper too, but since 911 WGAF what happens to them.

Giving nukes to a country run by an Apocalyptic cult is certainly a unique way to foster world peace.

And that whole multiple centers of power and alliances thing didn't prevent WWI or WWII,

but I'm sure it will work out juuuuussst great this time.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 02, 2015 02:05 PM (0cMkb)

204 You know this Must make perfect sense somehow to the left..
So much so that they don't even explain their reasoning.

and btw where in the hell are the actual intelligence community on this?

Posted by: willow at July 02, 2015 02:05 PM (nqBYe)

205 nuking Philly might turn Pa red.

Posted by: George O at July 02, 2015 02:04 PM (n3WEd)
Maybe white first

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at July 02, 2015 02:05 PM (R8hU8)

206 is

Posted by: willow at July 02, 2015 02:05 PM (nqBYe)

207 "Obama has compared himself to Lincoln."

LOL

Let's look at the first paragraph of the famous Gettysburg Address:

"Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that 'all men are created equal'"

Obama and all leftist destroyers would fisk the Address thus:

1. the implicit "fathering" is a patriarchal and oppressive gendering of the American founding

2. it wasn't a "new nation," it was an unjust colonization of an existing primordial harmony of native peoples

3. "conceived" suggests that America was female, i.e. the passive receptacle for the fathers' semen, i.e. rape

4. "liberty" was just for property-owning men, therefore no liberty at all, and in fact a cover concept for oppression

5. "all men," yes, a rare moment of candor when it comes to gender, but a lie because it wasn't "all" men

6. "created" is evidence of Christianist supremacism, another dimension of their hateful repression

Does that about cover it? Obama is pals with everyone who believes all this, and he probably believes it himself.

He has nothing in common with Lincoln.

Posted by: Feh at July 02, 2015 02:06 PM (zto2Y)

208 Iranians were building Shahab-3 missile launch installations? In Venezuela?
Valero Gas Stations = CITGO = Venezuela = Chavez Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at July 02, 2015 02:00 PM

As of a year or two ago, Joe Kennedy (jr.? III? Whatever number he is) was pimping for Venezuela, Citgo and Zombie Yugo Chavez/El Presidente Maduro on teevee, here in Mass.

You wanted cheap heating oil in the winter, you could call 1-800-JOE4OIL and get a tankful of their best....

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 02, 2015 02:06 PM (P8YHq)

209 @192 - in the progressive-alternative history we're living the recruiters rejected him because he didn't meet any of the AALGBTQQQQQ criteria.

Posted by: JEM (sometimes The Devoceleraptor) at July 02, 2015 02:06 PM (o+SC1)

210 This one might be a better fit. Men at Work - It's a Mistake.

https://youtu.be/I0AxrOUJ62E

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 02:06 PM (/8So2)

211 You ever tried to get union work done in Philly? There's no way the Iranians have enough money to pay them off.

Posted by: Chupacabras at July 02, 2015 02:06 PM (F26eZ)

212 199 On the plus side, nuking Philly might turn Pa red.

Posted by: George O at July 02, 2015 02:04 PM (n3WEd)

Nuking Cleveland & Toledo via the lake would turn OH red also.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 02, 2015 02:06 PM (nqiq9)

213 So the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy has been revived?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 02, 2015 02:07 PM (n3WEd)

214 General Curtis Lemay where are you when we need you

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2015 02:02 PM (wq4B0)

I am more and more convinced that Gen Patton was assassinated by the NKVD facilitated by the FDR administration's multiple influential communist infiltrators.

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 02, 2015 02:07 PM (ftVQq)

215
Wait: Did Ace actually call for a 3rd Party????

Yowzah. This country really is fucked.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2015 02:07 PM (St6BJ)

216 We'll just ~~send another RQ-170 stealth reconnaissance drone~~ give Iran some more TS/SCI technology to verify this agreement

Posted by: Top Men at July 02, 2015 02:07 PM (jWPU7)

217 Obama & his peeps are not stupid or clueless they are, EVIL. plain & simple

Posted by: submariner at July 02, 2015 02:08 PM (GSUU/)

218
Nuking Cleveland & Toledo

Would anyone notice?

Posted by: wrg500 at July 02, 2015 02:08 PM (C278+)

219 215 Wait: Did Ace actually call for a 3rd Party????

Not just a 3rd party but a 2nd country. Black suits to visit in 3,2,1,......

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 02, 2015 02:09 PM (nqiq9)

220 Now some of those adds to buy some Costa Rica land don't sound so bad...

Posted by: donna at July 02, 2015 02:09 PM (Bn6aD)

221 ***"We need a third party and frankly we need a second country."***

We're so fvcking far past the point where third party can save this shitball that another country truly is the only other option.

I used to laugh at the idea of secession.

Used to.

Posted by: Typical Liberal at July 02, 2015 02:09 PM (xSCb6)

222 This piece of shit, whatever it turns out to be, is already US law.

Excuse me, prole, but we'll be the judge of that.

Posted by: nine berobed priests flipping coins at July 02, 2015 02:10 PM (ZtFr+)

223 Wait: Did Ace actually call for a 3rd Party????

Yowzah. This country really is fucked.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2015 02:07 PM (St6BJ)

I am almost at the point of supporting that on the theory that will ensure a Democratic victory and the faster demise of what we once called America and then we can start all over and get it right this time. Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2015 02:10 PM (wq4B0)

224 The Ministry of Truth is hiring, for all you out of work proles.

Posted by: kraken at July 02, 2015 02:10 PM (sdxPm)

225 Nuking Cleveland Toledo.
Would anyone notice?

Posted by: wrg500 at July 02, 2015 02:08 PM

Nope. Nor would we notice if they laid the blast on Detroit.

But they would. Because Dearborn.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 02, 2015 02:10 PM (P8YHq)

226 This could go poorly. Someone should remind him that he is not negotiating with spineless republicans.

Posted by: JE at July 02, 2015 02:10 PM (CvDgu)

227 Iranians were building Shahab-3 missile launch installations? In Venezuela?
Valero Gas Stations = CITGO = Venezuela = Chavez Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at July 02, 2015 02:00 PM

Oh hell yeah. There's a peninsula in the far north of the country that juts out directly opposite the coast of Curacao where an alleged installation is or will be under construction.

But now that Cuba is our ally, I expect that the Iranians will move right in and be that much closer.

If I were the Mossad, I would have agents crawling all over Venezuela. And I expect even more pressure on the small Venezuelan Jewish community.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2015 02:10 PM (St6BJ)

228
Wait: Did Ace actually call for a 3rd Party????

--

The Whigs were wiped out in one election cycle, IIRC. Now it is time for their replacement to do the same. It seems that a party based on small government only works until the elected members get a taste of power and bribes, then it must be replaced.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 02, 2015 02:10 PM (aq5Dc)

229 "Not just a 3rd party but a 2nd country."

So long as they don't choose the CBF as the national flag!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 02, 2015 02:10 PM (ftVQq)

230 @43
I don't know what she thinks, but I needed to give myself a shot of epi straight into the endocardium after looking at the pic

Posted by: Agent J at July 02, 2015 02:10 PM (ueOgE)

231 "Khamenei understands that Barack Obama"

one of these things is exactly like the other

Posted by: X at July 02, 2015 02:11 PM (xGNLA)

232 221 ***"We need a third party and frankly we need a second country."***

We're so fvcking far past the point where third party can save this shitball that another country truly is the only other option.

Saw Dennis Miller on O' Reilly last night and He pretty much said We are past the point of now return in this Country... Sadly I'm beginning to believe him...

Posted by: donna at July 02, 2015 02:11 PM (Bn6aD)

233 Would anyone notice?
Posted by: wrg500 at July 02, 2015 02:08 PM (C278+)

I would. Frankly that's all that matters to me. 3 million or so in the Cleveland/Akron/Canton federal disaster area, another 1/2 million around Toledo. No more "swing state" problems here. I get all hot and bothered just thinking about it.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 02, 2015 02:11 PM (nqiq9)

234 I've already seceded, like a lot of you, I bet.

Posted by: kraken at July 02, 2015 02:11 PM (sdxPm)

235 ***"Nor would we notice if they laid the blast on Detroit."***

It would save a lot on demolition costs.

Posted by: Typical Liberal at July 02, 2015 02:12 PM (xSCb6)

236 If I see one more picture of jenner is a dress i might hurl

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2015 02:12 PM (wq4B0)

237 223 I am almost at the point of supporting that on the theory that will ensure a Democratic victory and the faster demise of what we once called America and then we can start all over and get it right this time. Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2015 02:10 PM (wq4B0)

Hell, it might even attract disaffected "yoots" and others. I was thinking that I only like Trump for telling it like it is yet fearing he'd go third party. Well, if he does go third party I might just pull the lever for him.

With the GOP and the KKKlanocrats, we effectively only have one party as it is, so what the hell?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2015 02:12 PM (St6BJ)

238 Here's a link to the gold transfer article:
http://tinyurl.com/qxlzo7y

Done. Deal.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 02, 2015 02:12 PM (5buP8)

239 Detroit, where an enhanced radiation weapon is not the optimum option.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 02:13 PM (/8So2)

240 When does the burning start?
Because I got stuff to do...

Posted by: Roland THTG at July 02, 2015 02:13 PM (QM5S2)

241 If I see one more picture of jenner is a dress i might hurl
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2015 02:12 PM (wq4B0)

Good for a little comic relief..

Posted by: donna at July 02, 2015 02:13 PM (Bn6aD)

242 1bulwetweft

Fuck.

Two options: give up, or try to convert enough of them to vote for a different vision of America.

Posted by: Feh at July 02, 2015 02:13 PM (zto2Y)

243 OK Booblican Party.

The name has a nice heft to it.

I may need a couple of pointers before joining though.

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 02, 2015 02:13 PM (l2Gqi)

244 236 If I see one more picture of jenner is a dress i might hurl

That's big in Ireland. Brutal game...

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 02, 2015 02:14 PM (5buP8)

245 243 OK Booblican Party.

The name has a nice heft to it.

I may need a couple of pointers before joining though.

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at July 02, 2015 02:13 PM (l2Gqi)

I don't have a name for the party but I have the slogan:

"Big Dicks with Big Sticks."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2015 02:14 PM (St6BJ)

246 Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 02, 2015 02:10 PM (aq5Dc)

Elected officials need to be replaced well before they figure out how to get his (and his family) hands in the government till, so two terms MAXIMUM for representatives and one term for the President and Senators!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 02, 2015 02:15 PM (ftVQq)

247 236 If I see one more picture of jenner is a dress i might hurl
Posted by: Nevergiveup

I know. we get it Bruce. you're the biggest homo since homotown.

Posted by: X at July 02, 2015 02:15 PM (xGNLA)

248 Caitlyn Jenner.... lunatic attention whore.

Posted by: kraken at July 02, 2015 02:16 PM (sdxPm)

249 236 If I see one more picture of jenner is a dress i might hurl
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2015 02:12 PM (wq4B0)

------

Wait for the new improved un-hatefull Statue of Liberty which we'll legislate in a few years

Posted by: Ruth Baader-Meinhoff, Lawgiver at July 02, 2015 02:16 PM (jWPU7)

250 That's big in Ireland. Brutal game...

Both are brutal, but one major difference. The Irish game is played with a stick. Bruce doesn't have one.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 02, 2015 02:16 PM (C278+)

251 247 236 If I see one more picture of jenner is a dress i might hurl
Posted by: Nevergiveup

I know. we get it Bruce. you're the biggest homo since homotown.
Posted by: X at July 02, 2015 02:15 PM (xGNLA)

1976 - Bruce Jenner is the symbol of America

2015 - Bruce Jenner is the symbol of America

And with that, you may now hurl.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2015 02:16 PM (St6BJ)

252 Caitlyn Jenner.... lunatic attention whore.

And the new"norm" in America...

Posted by: donna at July 02, 2015 02:16 PM (Bn6aD)

253 ooops, off typical sock

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2015 02:17 PM (xSCb6)

254 ***"The Whigs were wiped out in one election cycle, IIRC. Now it is time for their replacement to do the same. It seems that a party based on small government only works until the elected members get a taste of power and bribes, then it must be replaced."***

The electorate has changed MASSIVELY since then.

You're assuming a majority if them want a small government. Clearly they're okie dokie with it.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2015 02:17 PM (xSCb6)

255 AllenG how about Booblicans? This is the Horde after all.

--

I do like how that rolls of my tongue.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at July 02, 2015 02:17 PM (n3WEd)

256 Question... how has the Senate already approved a Treaty that does not exist yet?

The 2/3rds advise and consent in the Constitution is not just a 'power' of the Senate, that can be delegated...

Its a REQUIRMENT of the Senate... something they HAVE to do on a Treaty.

But of course... since we now have a Humpty Dumpty Supreme Court (words mean exactly what I say they mean, nothing more and nothing less).... I guess that just does not matter anymore.

Posted by: BB Wolf at July 02, 2015 02:17 PM (qh617)

257 Oh hell yeah. There's a peninsula in the far north of the country that juts out directly opposite the coast of Curacao where an alleged installation is or will be under construction.

If they nuked Curacao, the Kennedys would be paupers overnight. (Excepting their lands).

Tedward "Splash" Kennedy parked half a Billion of the family money there to hide it from taxes.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 02, 2015 02:18 PM (jhqr1)

258 @251 - you are so unfortunately correct.

Posted by: JEM (sometimes The Devoceleraptor) at July 02, 2015 02:18 PM (o+SC1)

259 After this fiasco, do you suppose it ever occurs to Corker or Boehner or any of the other GOP vegetables that he might not be the sharpest tool in the shed and should stay well clear of matters of existential importance?

Nah, me neither.

Posted by: pep at July 02, 2015 02:18 PM (GMG6W)

260 Although Trinitite is glass I don't think it's very transparent. Well maybe to gamma rays.

Posted by: DaveA at July 02, 2015 02:18 PM (DL2i+)

261 Israel is either going to launch a strike, or eat a nuke.

Entirely possible that Obama will commit US troops to Iran, as hostages under their own recognizance, to discourage the strike.

Why am I wrong ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 02, 2015 02:18 PM (9uYWN)

262 We've lost the urge to small government. Now it's all gimme what "I" want, no charge.

Posted by: kraken at July 02, 2015 02:18 PM (sdxPm)

263 258 @251 - you are so unfortunately correct.
Posted by: JEM (sometimes The Devoceleraptor) at July 02, 2015 02:18 PM (o+SC1)

Hmm. Decelaraptor?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2015 02:19 PM (St6BJ)

264 259 After this fiasco, do you suppose it ever occurs to Corker or Boehner or any of the other GOP vegetables that he might not be the sharpest tool in the shed and should stay well clear of matters of existential importance?

It's all about His "legacy." oh, and the destruction of Israel...

Posted by: donna at July 02, 2015 02:19 PM (Bn6aD)

265 the most painful thing about , well, most of the last 6 1/2 years is that we seemingly have no one to fight back.

even to national security.. iran is not a security risk or enemy but fellow americans disgusted with the shove into socialism are.

they are fkn insane and we have no one in power that gives a shit.
What are they all just busy stuffing their pockets hoping no harm befalls themselves personally?
i mean wth is this

Posted by: willow at July 02, 2015 02:19 PM (nqBYe)

266
Scrolled down (didn't "jump"). Have we had the requisite number of indignant comments from GOP tribalists, er, loyalists who "think" entirely in sports terms (my team!/oooh, THEIR team ...), and aren't real swift on substance or politics? I mean, ace has done the unforgivable here yet again, venting his disgust and amazement at the way the country has just rolled over for degradation and decay by abandoning (symbolically) the GOP.

Come to think of it, did we ever get a detailed, serious, and substantive explanation for the way the GOP rolled over on amnesty/DHS approps as their first real act in the new congress? Or is it just the lame "oh, we have a federal court stopping the illegal action" dodge?

Posted by: rhomboid at July 02, 2015 02:19 PM (QDnY+)

267 >>Caitlyn Jenner.... lunatic attention whore.

Scott...drunk
Lamar...crackhead
Robert...the sweet release of death. winning.
Kanye...gayfish

those giant asses must emit crazy rays

Posted by: X at July 02, 2015 02:19 PM (xGNLA)

268 Ace,

One thought, we are looking at this through a false paradigm.

Obama is not negotiating with Iran. If this was a straight up two party negotiation, US vs. Iran, then those raghead fucks would have gotten everything they wanted already.

No, Obama is negotiating with the European powers on the Security. He seems to have Cameron in his back pocket. The last hold out of rational thought appears to be France. It is FRANCE he is trying to convince to sign on to the deal. Without them, sanctions remain in effect.

Think hard on that, the socialist French have more fucking sense than the Senate GOP. I too have said enough with the GOP. I don't want to burn slowly, but it appears the SMOD is coming faster and faster.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 02, 2015 02:21 PM (q5APL)

269 Annnnd.....

Jim Webb is running for President.

Posted by: Lurking in the Wilderness at July 02, 2015 02:21 PM (1Y+hH)

270 261 Israel is either going to launch a strike, or eat a nuke.

Entirely possible that Obama will commit US troops to Iran, as hostages under their own recognizance, to discourage the strike.

Why am I wrong ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 02, 2015 02:18 PM (9uYWN)

Short of Israel converting 747's to effectively deliver their stock of otherwise useless MOP's, I expect them to launch a few EMP's over Iran's nuke/armament sites.

Before that, I would also expect infiltration into the sites as well as Israel and perhaps KSA and GCC smuggling in massive amounts of weapons to the citizenry for an armed uprising.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2015 02:21 PM (St6BJ)

271 269 Annnnd.....

Jim Webb is running for President.

Really?

Posted by: donna at July 02, 2015 02:21 PM (Bn6aD)

272 Israel is either going to launch a strike, or eat a nuke. Entirely possible that Obama will commit US troops to Iran, as hostages under their own recognizance, to discourage the strike. Why am I wrong ?
Posted by: ScoggDog

he's probably not able or willing to send enough US personnel to be a reliable speedbump for a strike.

Now if an Iranian strike were to come from iraqi territory, all unholy hell would break loose.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 02, 2015 02:22 PM (Spluw)

273 Well, at least we have a preview of how Iran will behave once it does get the bomb. They are negotiating as if they already have the bomb, just by threatening to build the bomb. Of course, our herd of feinting goat leaders are somehow simultaneously cowardly and arrogant.

Posted by: ElKomandante at July 02, 2015 02:22 PM (a5MvA)

274 Pretty sure it took 2 election cycles for the Whigs to get replaced. Lincoln was the secondGOP candidate, IIRC.

Posted by: Bigby's Extra Hand at July 02, 2015 02:22 PM (3ZtZW)

275 Posted by: donna

Yes, he just announced.

Posted by: Lurking in the Wilderness at July 02, 2015 02:22 PM (1Y+hH)

276 All I can say is, I felt a surge of relief after dropping my change of registration (R to I) in the mailbox last Sunday. The hate being spewed at me by the GOPe just started reflecting right off. Honestly, not having to claim kinship to those crapweasels in the GOPe took a load off my mind. I'm in a blue state, late in the primaries, in a congressional district so wretched we have a proud advocate of PB abortion representing us. My vote in primaries matters zero.

Posted by: Agent J at July 02, 2015 02:22 PM (ueOgE)

277 275 Posted by: donna

Yes, he just announced.

He actually has a chance...

Posted by: donna at July 02, 2015 02:23 PM (Bn6aD)

278 Hope you are right JJ.

Odds that Obama condemns that action at the UN, calls for Israeli sanctions, as well as UN peacekeepers including US troops ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 02, 2015 02:23 PM (9uYWN)

279 273 Well, at least we have a preview of how Iran will behave once it does get the bomb. They are negotiating as if they already have the bomb, just by threatening to build the bomb. Of course, our herd of feinting goat leaders are somehow simultaneously cowardly and arrogant.
Posted by: ElKomandante at July 02, 2015 02:22 PM (a5MvA)

They might very well have a device(s) already. The thing they don't have is a small enough warhead to put on top of an MRBM/ICBM. At least I pray they don't.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2015 02:24 PM (St6BJ)

280 Look for the Green and Vote Flynn Irish Beer as the Tastes Great Beer in an election-booth nearest you!

It's the Guinness (pronounced Gay-ness) of the Conservative Proletariat!

Flynn Beer!

*outro "When Irish Eyes are Smilin'', fade to black*

Posted by: Paid Political Advertisement! at July 02, 2015 02:24 PM (2mJMN)

281 271 269 Annnnd.....

Jim Webb is running for President.

Really?

Posted by: donna at July 02, 2015 02:21 PM (Bn6aD)

Pretty sure it was known he was going to announce since the weekend or even last week.

Posted by: buzzion at July 02, 2015 02:24 PM (zt+N6)

282 Are we even going to get our people back?

Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2015 02:24 PM (ztOda)

283 The pin number for my debit card? Heck, I don't keep it secret, I just don't make it public. Those two things are totes different.

Posted by: Marmo, proud heteronormative person of pallor at July 02, 2015 02:25 PM (QW+AD)

284 Yup, I changed from R to I awhile back..... Felt good...

Posted by: donna at July 02, 2015 02:25 PM (Bn6aD)

285 >>Of course, our herd of feinting goat leaders are somehow simultaneously cowardly and arrogant.

Cowardly toward the Iranians, arrogant toward any American who questions what they're doing.

Kinda tells you who they think the enemy is, eh?

Posted by: Lizzy at July 02, 2015 02:25 PM (NOIQH)

286 278 Hope you are right JJ.

Odds that Obama condemns that action at the UN, calls for Israeli sanctions, as well as UN peacekeepers including US troops ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 02, 2015 02:23 PM (9uYWN)

If Iran's sites are reduced to rubble and they're program is either destroyed or pushed back significantly, Israel wouldn't give a flying fuck about Obama or the UN.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2015 02:25 PM (St6BJ)

287 So no significant BATNA for the Whitehouse on this deal, huh. Why would you reveal that?

Posted by: Bitblt at July 02, 2015 02:26 PM (1NsDS)

288 286 they're = their.

sheesh

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2015 02:26 PM (St6BJ)

289
prescient11, excellent point. The US is trying to get some of the other P-5 powers to go along, more than trying to bend Iran to the west's collective demands.

And yes Scogg this places the question pretty much on the table, in a way that can no longer be ignored or finessed: will Israel attempt to take action?

Obviously a daunting task. Even with, as it now seems clear they would have, active or passive cooperation from many interesting quarters (Saudis, Omanis, Emirates, Egypt, Azerbaijan or Georgia, possibly even the Turks, on this one).

NGU is pessimistic, I believe, on Bibi having the stones to try it. I dunno. But I think we are getting close to the point of no return (either pre-empt or try to live with an Iranian nuke) for Israel (and the Sunni states).

Posted by: rhomboid at July 02, 2015 02:26 PM (QDnY+)

290 I wish I had the money to get the fuck out of this country.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 02, 2015 02:27 PM (YFw5T)

291 269 Annnnd.....

Jim Webb is running for President.
Posted by: Lurking in the Wilderness at July 02, 2015 02:21 PM (1Y+hH)

Hrm. He's not entirely insane. That could be a problem.

Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at July 02, 2015 02:27 PM (RD7QR)

292 290 I wish I had the money to get the fuck out of this country.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 02, 2015 02:27 PM (YFw5T)

I wish I had the money to get the bastards who destroyed this country out of this country.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2015 02:27 PM (St6BJ)

293 The sell-out is at Munich levels of moral and actual cowardice. That is why it is being kept secret. Obummer intends to have the USA run away from the Mideast and hand it over to Iran to promote "stability".

Posted by: exdem13 at July 02, 2015 02:27 PM (ry4ab)

294 "top White House foreign policy adviser Ben Rhodes likened the Iran deal to Obamacare in its importance to the administration."

And he's right, though quite accidentally: I assume he thinks this is a good thing.

Remind me, what was Ben Rhodes' foreign policy experience before becoming a top White House foreign policy adviser?

No matter how disgusted I am with the Republicans, this is why I can't be a Democrat: They care about looking strong on national security, not about actually being strong on national security.

Posted by: JPS at July 02, 2015 02:28 PM (0k/27)

295 Those are not our "core objectives."

For some values of "our".

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 02, 2015 02:28 PM (evdj2)

296 Question... how has the Senate already approved a Treaty that does not exist yet?

The 2/3rds advise and consent in the Constitution is not just a 'power' of the Senate, that can be delegated...

Its a REQUIRMENT of the Senate... something they HAVE to do on a Treaty.

But of course... since we now have a Humpty Dumpty Supreme Court (words mean exactly what I say they mean, nothing more and nothing less).... I guess that just does not matter anymore.
Posted by: BB Wolf at July 02, 2015 02:17 PM (qh617)

A) it is NOT being classified as a treaty with the consent of this Bullshit Congress

B) They passed some Bullshit plan that ONLY gives the Senate 30 Days to dissaprove it or it passes automatically. And ALL they need to approve it is 51 Votes. You do the math.

I told everyone here it sucks 1 minute after the plan was published.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2015 02:28 PM (wq4B0)

297 rhomboid,

I'm not sure, but it's a scary time for sure. But I think we all need to remember that Obama is actually negotiating with France and UK, not with Iran.

This is fucking crazy.

Posted by: prescient11 at July 02, 2015 02:28 PM (q5APL)

298 On the plus side, nuking Philly might turn Pa red.

Posted by: George O at July 02, 2015 02:04 PM (n3WEd)

More like Burnt Umber...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 02, 2015 02:29 PM (wtvvX)

299 Barry will come back from ~~Munich~~ Tehran waving a piece of paper. It will be blank.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 02, 2015 02:29 PM (evdj2)

300 Rush is mentioning the George Takei. He just said George Takei couldn't carry Clarence Thomas jock strap, LOL.

Posted by: Jen the original at July 02, 2015 02:29 PM (WV80V)

301 Jim Webb just announced he is running for President. Who da fuck is Jim Webb?

Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2015 02:30 PM (xWW96)

302 They might very well have a device(s) already. The thing they don't
have is a small enough warhead to put on top of an MRBM/ICBM. At least I
pray they don't.

---

That would make sense. Maybe Obama is just "negotiating" with them to please, please don't tell anyone I slipped up and let you guys acquire nukes under my watch. Actually, that would make a lot more sense to me.. I just don't get why Obama would be so determined to cede so much power to anyone other than himself.

Posted by: ElKomandante at July 02, 2015 02:30 PM (a5MvA)

303 New Republican motto: "Molon lobby!"

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 02, 2015 02:30 PM (nqiq9)

304 Jim Webb just announced he is running for President. Who da fuck is Jim Webb?

The nominee. Take him seriously.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 02, 2015 02:30 PM (evdj2)

305
Well that's a relief. Webb and Gen. Zinni can unveil their secret strategy for protection and pursuit of our security interests that avoids any use of force. Or something. In all their futile fulminating and ranting to save the Iraqi Ba'athist regime, I could never find any substance or actual practical proposals, hard as I looked. Just free-floating something or other, I guess.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 02, 2015 02:30 PM (QDnY+)

306 Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2015 02:30 PM (xWW96)

Former Republican (Marine, Vietnam vet, author) who turned Dem in 2006 and served 1 term as Senator from Virginia.

Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at July 02, 2015 02:31 PM (u0lmX)

307 Webb will be the middle of the road Dem Candidate with ALL the other Dems taking that hard left turn. And he might be dangerous

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2015 02:32 PM (wq4B0)

308 Former Republican (Marine, Vietnam vet, author) who turned Dem in 2006 and served 1 term as Senator from Virginia.

Also Secretary of the Navy.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 02, 2015 02:32 PM (evdj2)

309 Who da fuck is Jim Webb?

pedo-pron author

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 02, 2015 02:32 PM (ZQfW9)

310 He will turn the electorate upside down and put it's penis in his mouth.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 02, 2015 02:33 PM (evdj2)

311 When Obama hears America, he thinks Rhodesia. "Dreams of My Father" indeed. This explains our current situation to me pretty clearly.

Posted by: kraken at July 02, 2015 02:33 PM (sdxPm)

312 Before we agree to any deal with Iran, we should really find out their positions on gay marriage and the Confederate flag.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at July 02, 2015 02:33 PM (AC0lD)

313 307 Webb will be the middle of the road Dem Candidate with ALL the other Dems taking that hard left turn. And he might be dangerous
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2015 02:32 PM (wq4B0)

Yes. More of a blue dog Democrat than anything else. Opposed the Iraq War. Right about a lot of things, but sort of an unknown quantity. Virginians might give us some sense of how good a campaigner he is.

Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at July 02, 2015 02:35 PM (RD7QR)

314 1. Newspeak is the new Govspeak.

2. Ya'll are committing thoughtcrimes right now, I know it.

3. Obama thinks he's the mahdi and wants to bring about the end of the world.

/thanks 52%, I hope you choke on your EBT lobster

Posted by: shibumi, RIP USA at July 02, 2015 02:35 PM (GwjEG)

315 With regards to Mike Flynn, there is a really good interview with him on you tube.

After you watch it you will come away thinking, I not only want that guy in Washington, I need that guy in Washington.

We need that guy in Washington. Stat!!!

Posted by: Norman Borlaug's Grain Factory at July 02, 2015 02:35 PM (RfwXt)

316 Webb will be the middle of the road Dem Candidate with ALL the other Dems taking that hard left turn. And he might be dangerous
Posted by: Nevergiveup

This might also enable the hildabeast to run between Bernie the bolshie and The Guy Who not only LOOKS Like a Rthuglickkan, He was one.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 02, 2015 02:35 PM (Spluw)

317 The other play here is for some Senator to take the written copy of the document, read it into the record, and then declare it a treaty. Maybe hold a Sense of of the Senate resolution, declaring it a "treaty". Then hold a ratification debate ...

Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2015 02:35 PM (ztOda)

318 >>Obummer intends to have the USA run away from the Mideast and hand it over to Iran to promote "stability".

IIRC, current CIA Director and former Deputy National Security Advisor for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism to Obama has been a strong proponent of the 'make Iran the stabilizing force in the ME in place of the USA' for many years. This has been the goal all along. That he's rumored to be a Muslim convert is just background noise, amirite?

Posted by: Lizzy at July 02, 2015 02:36 PM (NOIQH)

319 Webb won't get it.

If he beats Hillary! for the nom,

there goes 1/3 of the Dims Victory Triumvirate -

ie. lunatic wymyn.

They're already going to lose Obama's Heavy Turnout Black Base for the most part.

But, they're keeping keeping teh ghey vote with Webb having some weird ass koksuquing in his books.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 02, 2015 02:36 PM (0cMkb)

320 Glad Webb has joined the race - shows that there are Dems and donors who don't see Hillary as inevitable. Really messes with the Hills coronation.

Hope more Dems throw their hat in the ring.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 02, 2015 02:38 PM (NOIQH)

321 >>> Webb won't get it.

Don't be too sure.Anyway, have to see how he campaigns for now

Posted by: Bigby's Extra Hand at July 02, 2015 02:39 PM (3ZtZW)

322 Went camping and caught some fish with my boy these last few days. It was great.

I wish the USA wasn't circling the drain.

Posted by: BuckIV at July 02, 2015 02:39 PM (mE/ao)

323
Putin or the ChiComs to secretly help the Farsis build missile launchers in Venezuela?

Follow the money. And the power.

October '62 all over again.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2015 02:39 PM (St6BJ)

324 Webb can appear quite sane. He does have some baggage though.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 02, 2015 02:39 PM (evdj2)

325 I didn't know they had a economic stagecraft program at Columbia University.

Posted by: freaked at July 02, 2015 02:39 PM (KvWlw)

326 One of the first questions the media will ask proud Scotch-Irish ("Born Fighting" author ) Jim Webb will be the all-important question of what he thinks of the Rebel flag. And it will be a "gotcha" question, because they surely don't want a blue dog Dem running against Hill. If he gives a PC answer, it will just go to show how much he's willing to neuter himself for power.

Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at July 02, 2015 02:39 PM (u0lmX)

327 Has anyone bothered to look at Jim Webb's writing for signs of war on women? I seem to remember a bit of kinky sex and maybe even some incesty rape with a dose of patriarchy.

Posted by: Phil at July 02, 2015 02:40 PM (39FGM)

328 Webb, albeit nuts, is not nearly insane enough for the Caitlyn Jenner, Chris Rock, Perez Hilton, Medea Benjamin Party.

Posted by: kraken at July 02, 2015 02:40 PM (sdxPm)

329 The other play here is for some Senator to take the written copy of the document, read it into the record, and then declare it a treaty. Maybe hold a Sense of of the Senate resolution, declaring it a "treaty". Then hold a ratification debate ...
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2015 02:35 PM (ztOda)

We could not even defeat Fast Tracking the Trade Bill and yu think the jerk offs on Congress, our jerk offs, could do that? Please

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2015 02:40 PM (wq4B0)

330 I find Iranian Cock Cheese to be both creamy and piquant.

Posted by: Barakhenaten I at July 02, 2015 02:41 PM (mme62)

331 I still think this all kabuki theater to distance ourselves from a strike by Israel. The CAPclown car thinks this might keep the Arab street from burning our shit afterwards - they are wrong.

Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2015 02:41 PM (ztOda)

332 294---"....what was Ben Rhodes' foreign policy experience before becoming a top White House foreign policy adviser?...They care about looking strong on national SECURITY, not about actually being strong on national security.
Posted by: JPS at July 02, 2015 02:28 PM (0k/27)
-------------------------
Bingo. Image is all that matters.
And if I am not mistaken, Ben"s degree was in creative writing. Seriously.

Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at July 02, 2015 02:41 PM (cN9Sk)

333 negotiator. Not only am I a better negotiator, but I'm the best negotiator to ever live.
Posted by: Donald at July 02, 2015 01:40 PM (F26eZ)

It's be generally not considered a good negotiating tactic to begin with conceding to all the demands being made by your opponent.

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 02, 2015 02:42 PM (O4oDX)

334 Actually, I've heard that his Vietnam novel is excellent. Yeah, it apparently had a pedo sex scene in it - well, it's set in Southeast Asia.

Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at July 02, 2015 02:42 PM (u0lmX)

335 I still think this all kabuki theater to distance ourselves from a strike by Israel. The CAPclown car thinks this might keep the Arab street from burning our shit afterwards - they are wrong.
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2015 02:41 PM (ztOda)

Israel does not have the where with all to conduct a truly destructive strike conventional strike alone. Damage yes, destructive not so much. They waited to long anyway. They fucked up, they trusted us

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2015 02:42 PM (wq4B0)

336 "....what was Ben Rhodes' foreign policy experience before becoming a top White House foreign policy adviser?...They care about looking strong on national SECURITY, not about actually being strong on national security.
Posted by: JPS at July 02, 2015 02:28 PM (0k/27)

Well, wasn't he a Rhodes Scholar? By definition?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 02:42 PM (kff5f)

337 We need a third party and frankly we need a second country.

A Third Party Proposal

http://tinyurl.com/k5fnt6k

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 02, 2015 02:43 PM (7YlUk)

338 323 October '62 all over again.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2015 02:39 PM (St6BJ)

Let me correct that: December '41 all over again.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2015 02:43 PM (St6BJ)

339 Let's send zero back to Kenya! He's not working for U. S. interests but against U. S.

Let's send back all illegals while we're at it. Mexico returns all, except those that are passing through to come here.

Posted by: Carol at July 02, 2015 02:43 PM (sj3Ax)

340 At the rate they're negotiating we'll be nuking Tel Aviv for them this fall.

Posted by: DaveA at July 02, 2015 02:43 PM (DL2i+)

341 Watching reruns of Babylon 5. The parallels to the Obama Era are quite striking.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 02, 2015 02:43 PM (O7MnT)

342
Went camping and caught some fish with my boy these last few days.

I will be camping and fishing the next four days.

Unplugging is vital to my sanity.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 02, 2015 02:44 PM (JtwS4)

343
Yes, it's hard to keep track, but the outrageousness of this while Iran thing is of course not reflected in the *crickets* from what would be any national leadership, if it existed any more.

The most effective and dangerous enemy of the US and the civilized world, with oceans of blood on its hands in the contemporary period, wisely trying to buy itself some immunity.

After a quasi-effective sanctions and sabotage regime had actually achieved amazing results, considering. Just thrown away, poof. *crickets*

Unserious country.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 02, 2015 02:44 PM (QDnY+)

344 Webb is far to the right of Hillary, Bernie, Liz. Almost a centrist as Dems go. He really could gain traction and give Hillary a very tough time. Particularly with the drip, drip, drip of "issues" coming out about Hillary.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 02, 2015 02:44 PM (C278+)

345 337 Posted by: The Political Hat at July 02, 2015 02:43 PM (7YlUk)

Interesting and maybe a do-able idea.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2015 02:44 PM (St6BJ)

346 Side Note; Yesterday my ex took me to dinner and we had a fine time until he brought up politics. He has morphed over the years into a far left loon and we promised that politics would not be brought up but he can't help himself and always does.

He did yesterday and it was so unbearable I got up and left the restaurant and walked him 2 miles in 101 degree heat.

What was the last thing he said to me - he called me a racist because I don't like Obama. I think I've finally learned never to try and eat a meal or otherwise with this man again.

Posted by: Cheri at July 02, 2015 02:45 PM (oiNtH)

347 iran is not a security risk or enemy

Iran IS the worlds state sponsor of terrorism, has been at war with US, Israel, etc. since the revolution and has DIRECTLY killed ?hundreds? of US troops in Iraq.

Posted by: DaveA at July 02, 2015 02:45 PM (DL2i+)

348 I am pretty sure that Valero is Mexican gas. Citgo is Venezuelan.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 02, 2015 02:45 PM (baR5c)

349 This where I used to come in and say ceding the playing field to the Dems is just stupid. Now with the latest court rulings I've reluctantly come to the conclusion that we've cross the Rubicon of immoral socialism . I'm just preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. I'll do what is necessary to stem the tide but only because it's in my self interest. That includes voting for the lesser of two evils.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 02, 2015 02:45 PM (Q4pU/)

350 Should have read...I walked home 2 miles.....

Posted by: Cheri at July 02, 2015 02:46 PM (oiNtH)

351 ElKommandante:

"Maybe Obama is just 'negotiating' with them to please, please don't tell anyone I slipped up and let you guys acquire nukes under my watch."

I was thinking something just slightly different. Under truth serum, our government's negotiating position would be this:

- We understand you want nukes. We would too if we were you, and it would be unfair and hypocritical for us to have them while telling you not to. And hey: We know you're going to get them whether we say Don't or By All Means.

- Therefore, please don't embarrass us. Have them, let it be an open secret, but don't ever have a test that unambiguously had to be from you. Look at the Israelis. (We also think it's unfair for us to try to stop you from getting nukes while looking the other way at Israel's not-officially-declared arsenal for the last 45 years.)

- Care to help us out with ISIS? You'd be doing us and yourselves a favor. We have no interest in controlling those lands, you do. Win-win.

- In return, we'll call off the sanctions and unfreeze all the assets of yours we can. Oh, and we won't make a stink about giving back any Americans who ran afoul of your secret police, though we'd sure appreciate it if you gave them back. Wait awhile after this deal so it's not an obvious quid pro quo.

Posted by: JPS at July 02, 2015 02:46 PM (0k/27)

352 344 Webb is far to the right of Hillary, Bernie, Liz. Almost a centrist as Dems go. He really could gain traction and give Hillary a very tough time. Particularly with the drip, drip, drip of "issues" coming out about Hillary.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 02, 2015 02:44 PM (C278+)

On the plus side, Webb is somewhat sensible when it comes to national security issues.

On the negative side, he's got serious psychological and anger issues.

And in the end, he's a Democrat.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2015 02:46 PM (St6BJ)

353 Oops, sorry for yelling willow,

too pissed to read entire comment, must find dick joke.

Posted by: DaveA at July 02, 2015 02:47 PM (DL2i+)

354 Watching reruns of Babylon 5. The parallels to the Obama Era are quite striking.

*raises hand*

*I* would like the Minbari Battle Fleet.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 02:47 PM (kff5f)

355 Israel does not have the where with all to conduct a truly destructive strike conventional strike alone. Damage yes, destructive not so much. They waited to long anyway. They fucked up, they trusted us
Posted by: Nevergiveup

I disagree. Think outside of the box. Actually, above it.

http://csis.org/files/media/csis/pubs/090316_israelistrikeiran.pdf

Start on page 72.

Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2015 02:47 PM (ztOda)

356 You could have took him home those 2 miles tied to the back of your bumper, instead of walking.

Posted by: kraken at July 02, 2015 02:48 PM (sdxPm)

357 350 Should have read...I walked home 2 miles.....

I though maybe you had him on a leash.

Posted by: freaked at July 02, 2015 02:48 PM (KvWlw)

358 Why not split from DCGOP ( HT Hrothgar) & call us Conservative or Constitutional Republicans.
I missed call from RNC last night!

Posted by: Carol at July 02, 2015 02:49 PM (sj3Ax)

359 Watching reruns of Babylon 5. The parallels to the Obama Era are quite striking.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 02, 2015 02:43 PM (O7MnT)

Zathras agrees.

Posted by: Zathras at July 02, 2015 02:49 PM (7YlUk)

360 Kraken - unfortunately my car is being repaired and I didn't have it. Your point is well taken however!

Posted by: Cheri at July 02, 2015 02:49 PM (oiNtH)

361 Posted by: JPS

You left out the pesky "wipe Israel off of the map".

How convenient that must be for you.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 02, 2015 02:49 PM (Spluw)

362 I bet Obama always buys the under carriage rust proofing and the extended warranties when he buys a new car.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 02, 2015 02:50 PM (Q4pU/)

363 >>*I* would like the Minbari Battle Fleet.

The Minbari had a great balance of spirituality and badass.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 02, 2015 02:50 PM (O7MnT)

364 Should have read...I walked home 2 miles.....

I wish you would have called me.

Posted by: Infidel at July 02, 2015 02:50 PM (Z1SI2)

365 Israel does not have the where with all to conduct a truly destructive strike conventional strike alone. Damage yes, destructive not so much. They waited to long anyway. They fucked up, they trusted us
Posted by: Nevergiveup

I disagree. Think outside of the box. Actually, above it.

http://csis.org/files/media/csis/pubs/090316_israelistrikeiran.pdf

Start on page 72.
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2015 02:47 PM (ztOda)

Conventional Ballistic Missiles will not effect deeply fortified underground facilities. And Irans are spread out all over the Country at this point. Israel is trememdously strong but for this kind of strike to be effective, you'd have to be the USA and have the will to do it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2015 02:50 PM (wq4B0)

366 I think I've finally learned never to try and eat a meal or otherwise with this man again.
Posted by: Cheri at July 02, 2015 02:45 PM (oiNtH)

I have an impossible ex who also happens to be the mother of my (now adult) children. Even attempting dinner with the guy was downright heroic, in my view.

Posted by: troyriser at July 02, 2015 02:51 PM (S08gh)

367 Webb has already made wicked statements about the battle flag, daring to call it a complex issue and to imply that the left is being hysterical. He also has a lot of baggage re his opposition to the feminization of the military.
He cannot get the nomination.

I detest him for voting the Obama line in the Senate (including for Obamacare) like a little robot. I also hate the fact that he went back on his oath never to shake the hand of the traitor Kerry.
But at least he made that oath. At least he doesn't hate his country.

He's an arrogant SOB but not the kind of snob that our rulers are.

Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at July 02, 2015 02:51 PM (cN9Sk)

368 "I'm trying to come back but there are these four assholes on differently-coloured horses ahead of me driving slow in the fast lane. Don't you hate that?

Posted by: the twelfth imam at July 02, 2015 01:46 PM (kivUY) "

^^^ This ! ^^^

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at July 02, 2015 02:51 PM (go6ud)

369 Iran will run circles around whatever the US negotiates.

Why can't we a have a party that does the same to DC and all its inhabitants.

Glad you're finally with us Ace.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 02, 2015 02:51 PM (qCMvj)

370 What kind of mental patient thiks Iran will be a stabilizing force in the ME?

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 02, 2015 02:51 PM (LWWrf)

371 The Minbari had a great balance of spirituality and badass.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 02, 2015 02:50 PM (O7MnT)

Actually... sometimes I feel like Conservatives are the cast of B5. Things are messy, and we don't always get along, but we'd rather fight each other to do what's right than bow to some stinking National Government, or give in to the Shadow.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 02:52 PM (kff5f)

372 What kind of mental patient thiks Iran will be a stabilizing force in the ME?
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 02, 2015 02:51 PM (LWWrf)

The Socialist Stooge type

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2015 02:52 PM (wq4B0)

373 Blue Hen, #361:

"How convenient that must be for you."

For me?

I'm sorry, did I give you the impression that I approve of that hypothetical stance? Because I don't, to put it mildly. Writing that out was a way of expressing my fear that even these guys aren't that dumb or naive, and that therefore this is roughly what they think they're accomplishing.

What I think of what they're accomplishing is an entirely different post.

Posted by: JPS at July 02, 2015 02:52 PM (0k/27)

374 Cheri - I just tell them I don't like Obama's Communist white half. The lazy, pot-smoking black side, whose never had a job and bitches about everything - I can live with.

Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2015 02:52 PM (ztOda)

375 Fuck this guy in the white house in particular.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 02, 2015 02:53 PM (MbrzC)

376 What kind of mental patient thiks Iran will be a stabilizing force in the ME?
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale

Yeash; just not feeling it.

Posted by: Kingdom of Saudi Arabia taking delivery of Pakistani nukes at July 02, 2015 02:53 PM (Spluw)

377 Sorry, I bit my tongue and voted for Corky when he first ran back when I was still in Tennessee. I actually do regret that. I am willing to pay the price:

One of the 'Ettes can send me to my room and spank me.

Posted by: Country Singer at July 02, 2015 02:54 PM (nL0sw)

378
Minbari. Sounds like a really unimaginative, lazy anagram for "minibar."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 02, 2015 02:54 PM (St6BJ)

379 Re #369
What? You don't think our steely-eyed hard bitten Secretariat of State can hold his own with Iran?

Posted by: kraken at July 02, 2015 02:55 PM (sdxPm)

380 One of the 'Ettes can send me to my room and spank me.
Posted by: Country Singer at July 02, 2015 02:54 PM (nL0sw)

You want: To be spanked by one of the 'Ettes.
You'll take: Being ignored by the 'Ettes.
You'll get: Spanked by Hector.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 02:55 PM (kff5f)

381 Actually... sometimes I feel like Conservatives are the cast of B5. Things are messy, and we don't always get along, but we'd rather fight each other to do what's right than bow to some stinking National Government, or give in to the Shadow.

That's pretty much the chord it was striking with me. Our Government is aligned with evil, and we're going to have to fight them as well as the evil itself.

If only we had a fleet of White Stars.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 02, 2015 02:55 PM (O7MnT)

382 You don't think our steely-eyed hard bitten Secretariat of State can hold his own with Iran?

Neigh.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 02, 2015 02:56 PM (evdj2)

383 Iran is looking better every day.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at July 02, 2015 02:56 PM (zauWW)

384 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 02:55 PM (kff5f)

I'll just "self-flagellate" instead.

Posted by: Country Singer at July 02, 2015 02:56 PM (nL0sw)

385 I'll just "self-flagellate" instead.

Posted by: Country Singer at July 02, 2015 02:56 PM (nL0sw)

No!

I will inflict the punishment!

Posted by: Hector in Dom-gear at July 02, 2015 02:57 PM (kff5f)

386 Cheri
I also have an impossible ex! He is remarried yet is always trying to return. I tell him I made that mistake already, and it is true. He was not faithful in our marriage either.

Posted by: Chilling the most at July 02, 2015 02:57 PM (zW5rQ)

387
The level of "up" to which things have been "fcuked" is now beyond human capacity to repair. It is nowbeyond post-human capacity to repair.Even if we had super intelligent robot brains to problem solve,they would tell us simply "you guys are fcuked".

You can vote how you want folks, but the thing is the dumpster fire is going to start. I don't know when, or exactly how, but be ready for it when it does. As it, canned goods, bottled water, trade goods, ammo etc. I know I sound crazy to some people. That's because those people are still in denial.
Get right with your support system - friends, family, church if you got one. If you don't got one get one. Faith confers a survival advantage.

Posted by: simplemind at July 02, 2015 02:58 PM (5vV+V)

388 So is Ace already off for the long weekend?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 02:58 PM (kff5f)

389 362 I bet Obama always buys the under carriage rust proofing and the extended warranties when he buys a new car.

I really, really needed that.
Thank you.
You just saved a double IPA's life. Or at least stayed the execution 'til 4:59:59 CDT.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 02, 2015 02:58 PM (5buP8)

390 JPS,

That sounds like a more fleshed out theory than mine. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

Posted by: ElKomandante at July 02, 2015 02:58 PM (APQ2q)

391 I anticipate that Cuba and Iran will soon become good friends now that Iran has some money.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 02, 2015 02:59 PM (Q4pU/)

392 Ace is probably grilling his one meal a day steak.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 02, 2015 02:59 PM (iQIUe)

393 Infidel - I stupidly left my phone at work or I would have. Not making either of these mistakes again!

Posted by: Cheri at July 02, 2015 02:59 PM (oiNtH)

394 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at July 02, 2015 02:59 PM (q+zA9)

395 Dave, np, i suppose it's times like these why alcohol is such a necessity of life.

who could believe the country could have turned into millions of unserious freakshow groupies.

Posted by: willow at July 02, 2015 02:59 PM (nqBYe)

396 I also have an impossible ex! He is remarried yet is always trying to return. I tell him I made that mistake already, and it is true. He was not faithful in our marriage either.
Posted by: Chilling the most

This is....a thing. This isn't the first time I've heard this. The guy wasn't faithful, things roll over and die, the guy gets remarried and........offers to cheat on #2 with the person he cheated on before...

Moronic, and not in any good way either

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 02, 2015 03:00 PM (Spluw)

397 White College Professor: All Whites Should Commit Mass Suicide For Being Complicit In Slavery

You first, Professor.

Adam Kotsko teaches at Shimer College

Weasel Zippers

What the fuck is a Shimer College
Hey what about the Blacks that were complicit in Slavery? Should they off themselves also?

And someone pays this asshole?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2015 03:00 PM (wq4B0)

398 Shout out to AllenG. trail life USA for an alternative to boy scouts.

Posted by: A dude in MI at July 02, 2015 03:00 PM (UUheN)

399 who could believe the country could have turned into millions of unserious freakshow groupies.

Posted by: willow at July 02, 2015 02:59 PM (nqBYe)

Ummm... me?

Posted by: Alexis de Tocqueville at July 02, 2015 03:00 PM (kff5f)

400 Posted by: Hector in Dom-gear at July 02, 2015 02:57 PM (kff5f)

Too late. I'm Flippanese, so I'm already doing this:

https://youtu.be/j64PGnMkTmM?t=38s

Posted by: Country Singer at July 02, 2015 03:01 PM (nL0sw)

401 Conventional Ballistic Missiles will not effect deeply fortified underground facilities.....
Posted by: Nevergiveup

You'll need to check your math on that. The unanswered question is "How accurate is the Jehrico?" If it is even close to the assumptions being used publicly, then they are adequate.

Additionally, Iran's power generating infrastructure and natural gas and oil operations which support their nuclear ambitions are not fortified in any way. No cash to pay the NOrks and Russians ends the program. Working in the dark makes it a lot harder as well.

Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2015 03:01 PM (ztOda)

402 Cheri, I'm going to a vacation cottage in northern Wisconsin tomorrow. I am not looking forward to seeing a certain relative there, a holier than thou liberal who is always proclaiming how much nicer, kinder, more compassionate libs are than conservatives. I take the bait and snap back and things get uncomfortable. But I'm tired of my family members saying "Donna, cool it...." when he never feels the need to and he is always the one who brings up politics. They say whatever they want and we are supposed to STFU and take it? Screw that.

At any rate, at least you are reminded of why it is a great thing you and the moonbat were divorced.

Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at July 02, 2015 03:01 PM (u0lmX)

403 Meanwhile, Preezy Cake Boy joins the Iranian Mullahs calling shots in Iraq, Muslim Brotherhood and Barky's "BFF" in the ME, Islamist Ergodan of Turkey, in trying to feed the heroic Kurds to the ISIS killing machine, going so far as to block "ally" Saudi Arabia from providing the Kurds heavy weapons.

No, such weapons must go to Baghdad to be distributed later by the Iraqi forces to ISIS itself..."Achmed, can I fill up your nice new US Humvee to make sure you have enough fuel to drag Kurdish bodies through all the streets of Kobane? Oh, don't forget your ManPads"

Posted by: John Doe@AnotherQuidam at July 02, 2015 03:01 PM (g1MTt)

404 Posted by: A dude in MI at July 02, 2015 03:00 PM (UUheN)

I looked at them 2 or 3 years ago, and there weren't any in my area (and I didn't feel up to the task of starting a group).

Two years as a Committee Chair may have changed that calculation a little bit...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 03:02 PM (kff5f)

405 "Some aspects of the annexes may not be made public, which is different than being secret."

It's really very similar.

Posted by: Captain Oblivious at July 02, 2015 03:02 PM (hiT/m)

406 ou'll need to check your math on that. The unanswered question is "How accurate is the Jehrico?" If it is even close to the assumptions being used publicly, then they are adequate.

Additionally, Iran's power generating infrastructure and natural gas and oil operations which support their nuclear ambitions are not fortified in any way. No cash to pay the NOrks and Russians ends the program. Working in the dark makes it a lot harder as well.
Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2015 03:01 PM (ztOda)

The Jericho can not carry Bunker Busters and yeah so they take out Iran's Petro Chemical facilities, what will that do? The World will rebuild them while condemming Israel and sanctioning Israel at the same time?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2015 03:03 PM (wq4B0)

407 #Re 397-- Hopefully the Progs will take his advice. More room in the tank, that way. (Obscure movie reference). Anybody know it?

Posted by: kraken at July 02, 2015 03:03 PM (sdxPm)

408 For those morons who dispair, there is hope still left in some churches.
Linked from a local evangelical presbyterian church is the following paper, part of the Reformation 21 work. it describes the duty of faithful to resist the state.

http://www.reformation21.org/blog/2015/06/bannerman-on-the-church-vs-the.php

Posted by: Jen the original at July 02, 2015 03:03 PM (WV80V)

409 Yo!

Flo!

Posted by: Flo from those shitty commercials at July 02, 2015 03:03 PM (ZtFr+)

410 Ace is probably grilling his one meal a day steak.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 02, 2015 02:59 PM (iQIUe)

or collapsing from the hormone spikes of fasting

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 02, 2015 03:03 PM (qCMvj)

411 "I have a cunning plan." - head negotiator Baldrick

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - Stay Safe with Fireworks - It's Fun and Games Until Someone's Backy at July 02, 2015 03:04 PM (hLRSq)

412 Chilling the Most, Troyriser, Jean - Agreed. He left me a message this morning about having a cookout for 4 July at his house with our now 2 grown kids. Really?? I think that I'll stay home and shampoo my carpets, and drink some wine later while watching fireworks from my house.

Posted by: Cheri at July 02, 2015 03:04 PM (oiNtH)

413 I lost to this guy!

Posted by: Mitt Romney at July 02, 2015 03:05 PM (Ui7Rt)

414 Eh. I gave up hope in the GOP looooong ago.
The only reason I vote at all is because I know that every time a Dem loses, it makes a lefty cry. It really, really does. I enjoy that tremendously.

My moonbat sister lives in Eric Cantor's old district. Every two years she'd get so excited about the possibility of beating the devil!!!! Then he'd win. It was delicious!
Not because I liked Cantor, mind you. But I would have voted for him 20 times (si se puede!) just to cause that hurt.

When Brat upset Cantor in the primaries, sister and BIL were so excited!!! At last they could beat the devil (anyone with an R after their name) and claim the district for the righteous!!!! Then came the wailing and gnashing of teeth.

I love it. It ain't much....but it's all I got.

Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at July 02, 2015 03:06 PM (cN9Sk)

415 "Scott Walker's campaign has hired another anti-conservative in Brad Dayspring."

Yep. That on top of Walker citing his deep admiration for tired Clinton hack Madeleine Notatallbright when discussing foreign policy. Imagine the individuals Walker would put at State!

Perry has made similar horrifying staff selection miscues to Walker, hiring Steve Schmidt and Henry Barbour, which should tell you right there that Perry is thoroughly in bed with the GOPe.

Cruz voted for Obamatrade and then ridiculously tried to walk it back only hours after the fact.

Luap Nard has repeatedly demonstrated that the nut didn't fall far from the nut tree.

Trump takes nuttiness to another galactic plane. Oprah Winfrey for VP?

And from there, it gets even worse. El Gobernador act-of-love Jeb? Miss Lindsay? Christie Chreme?

I really wish an entirely new and different set of Republicans would get into the race. I've got a horrible, sick, sinking feeling at this point, that all these guys either can't win, or would be just more RINO, DIABLO squishiness if by some chance they did win.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 02, 2015 03:06 PM (noWW6)

416 I lost to this guy!
Posted by: Mitt Romney

Because you chose to fight a goddammed flag and not him.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 02, 2015 03:07 PM (Spluw)

417 Let him roast his weenies on his own Cheri. If there's a tragic grilling accident, you won't be culpable.

Posted by: kraken at July 02, 2015 03:07 PM (sdxPm)

418 I'm sure the $484,049,280 in gold that Iran just recovered will be spent on only noble and just things, not nuclear weapons to obliterate Israel.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 03:08 PM (39g3+)

419 Um, where are you watching Babylon 5 reruns?

Posted by: #Chromosomes Matter! at July 02, 2015 03:08 PM (L402q)

420 Nood....

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at July 02, 2015 03:08 PM (mG3Qj)

421 Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at July 02, 2015 03:06 PM (cN9Sk)

And I get Don Beyer, the proud Progressive.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 02, 2015 03:09 PM (C278+)

422 Donna V. - So true. They throw out bombs and we are supposed to stay quiet so as not to ruffle everyone's feathers?

I hope you have a great vacation nonetheless!!!

Posted by: Cheri at July 02, 2015 03:09 PM (oiNtH)

423 Kraken....

Posted by: Cheri at July 02, 2015 03:10 PM (oiNtH)

424 The level of "up" to which things have been "fcuked" is now beyond human capacity to repair.

At some point it's easier to just kick the chessboard over.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 02, 2015 03:13 PM (evdj2)

425 Nevergiveup, "The Jericho can not carry Bunker Busters" - it doesn't need "bunker busters".

The production facilities are large, not little command bunkers. There may be a few Iranian C2 bunkers it can't hurt - and I doubt that. Those production facilities are not that hard.

Posted by: Jean at July 02, 2015 03:13 PM (ztOda)

426 At some point it's easier to just kick the chessboard over.

Sometimes its just the better option.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 03:14 PM (39g3+)

427 You keep saying "we need a third party," yet all you do is sit on your growing posterior and complain about Republicans - which party you said you leaving some time ago, but towards which you behave like an obsessed ex-wife.

On the Corker bill, you continue to LIE. There was never going to be a treaty ratification and you know it. OR you are too stupid and lazy to pay attention to anything outside the asylum echo chamber in which you have chosen to dwell.

The only way to force Obama to allow Congress any voice at all in the agreement is to get enough Democrats on board to override a veto, which Corker did. Any stronger language would not have been able to do that.

You have no excuse for not knowing all of this, of course, so it appears you choose willful dishonesty.

Like when you claim to have left the GOP, yet actively campaign for a candidate in our primary in Illinois.

Posted by: Adjoran at July 02, 2015 04:40 PM (QIQ6j)

428 But they ARE the core objectives of a very small man who's middle name is Hussein. Doesn't anyone get it yet!!??

Posted by: Lew at July 02, 2015 05:02 PM (ifEmd)

429 nuking Philly might turn Pa red.

Posted by: George O at July 02, 2015 02:04 PM (n3WEd)
Maybe white first

Actually, a nice shade of Cheronkov blue, first.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 02, 2015 05:36 PM (uztdD)

430 Let me guess: it involves a pinky swear.

Posted by: Eli Cash at July 02, 2015 06:07 PM (VsOE/)

431 Any more, the only POSSIBLE response to each new Idiocy-Of-The-Moment emanating from the various facets of the Monolithic Left (be it Progressives/ the MFMSM/ the Washington Political Machine/ the UN/ the various Glowbull Warmenationing "Scientistic" apologists/ the Gayfia/ the Black Grievance Agitators/ the Educrats/ the FemiNazis . . . dear God, there are so many of them!) is just to ... LAUGH.

Laugh and point and laugh some more. There is no possible reason to pretend to take them seriously. Steal their gravitas. The Emperor is walking around stark naked (and is ... quite unimpressive). They've got nothing, absolutely NOTHING, except Public Perception.

There is no "Great and Powerful Oz" here. There's just a few flatulent old Commies hiding behind a curtain somewhere, pulling levers and jiggering "statistical sampling" to create a sense of Inevitability.

We just have to do our damnedest to explain to the naive child-voters around us that There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch [TANSTAAFL]; and that (per Ace's Thomas Sowell quote from about a week ago) There Are No Solutions There Are Only Trade-Offs [TANSTAOTO]. And make a point of laughing -LOUDLY- at the snake-oil salesmen trying to convince them otherwise.

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at July 02, 2015 06:44 PM (flNQx)

432 The smartest man in the room must be in the padded cell by himself.

Posted by: burt at July 03, 2015 09:02 AM (ls8AU)

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