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Donald Trump And Acela Republicans
Yesterday we got more polling confirmation of something we already knew...Republican voters are desperate, at least at this stage of the campaign. The proof of this is the fact that in what should be one of the deepest and most appealing GOP fields in, ever, Donald Trump is in 2nd place nationally and in Iowa. Now, he's only at 12% of the vote and most of those people won't really vote for him when push comes to shove but jokes like him and Ben Carson should be background noise.
Yet... So why are so many Republican voters flirting with a crazy loudmouthed liberal? I think it's mostly because of the 2nd thing...loudmouthed. The Trump bubble is what you get when a significant part of the GOP is tired of being lied to and screwed over. They want to be heard and they want to see their values (in this case anger, which is an emotion not a value but it's a reasonable stand in at this point) reflected in a candidate. (And if you think he's going away anytime soon, you haven't noticed that he's already paying a price for running. There's no advantage in pulling out now. Bridges are going to be burned.) The mostly mealy mouthed response to the resent Supreme Court ruling from most GOP candidates (certainly the "acceptable" types) does not match the anger a lot of conservatives are feeling. It seems the candidates think the anger is at gays when it strikes me it's much more at a process conservatives feel is rigged. There's almost no recognition by candidates that people feel something important about America is slipping away. They aren't seeing that being acknowledged by Jeb, Marco or even Walker. Conservatives helped deliver historic GOP wins last year in the House and gave the party the Senate back. What exactly do they have to show for it? An amnesty cave, more deficit spending and an Obama legacy building trade package that they aren't too sure about. Oh and soaring approval ratings for Obama now that he has vanquished the GOP "hostage takers". Funny, but I don't recall that being what the GOP was selling last fall. And then we see the GOP putting up hacks like Darin LaHood and pulling out all the stops to beat a conservative like Mike Flynn. Ever notice that the even though the GOP keeps billing itself as a conservative party, the insurgents are always the more conservative ones. Shouldn't a supposedly conservative party be the ones finding, developing and promoting conservative candidates? If the system is breaking down and no one is part of the system is willing to respond, then going outside the system with someone who reflects that anger (even if he doesn't really believe it) is not a crazy choice. There's a lot of populist anger to be harnessed and led within the GOP but most Republican candidates are unwilling or an unable to do so. Nature abhors a vacuum and so...the Trump bubble. But what does the GOP generally offer up in contrast to Trump's shtick? "Acela Republicans" for the most part. GOP consultant Rick Wilson explains why that works out as well as you'd expect.Acela Republicans hate Republicans. There are three kinds of people who hate the Republican Party: liberals (for all their usual, tiresome reasons), hard conservatives (who value purity over winning anything, anywhere, ever) and Acela Republicans. Acela Republicans hate Republican voters, particularly primary voters, because they’re embarrassed by them. They don’t want to talk to them, for fear some of their proletarian nature will rub off. They either sit silently or join in the chorus when their friends in the media display their dripping, venomous contempt for anyone who lives outside coastal metros or was educated somewhere outside the Ivy League. The Underpants Gnome Theory of Republican Campaigns Acela Republicans play fantasy-league politics. “If only the rest of my party was pro-spending, pro-abortion, pro-gun control, loathed these religious bumpkins and their backward sky god, embraced a carbon tax, read the Times each morning and wanted to level the economic playing field with a bulldozer…then we’d start winning” is the lament of Acela Republicans. They fundamentally misread the electorate in both the Republican primary and the general election, time and again, and conflate contempt for pragmatism and smart politics.I take exception to one thing Wilson writes here. "Hard conservatives" don't simply prize "purity over winning", we prize doing something with the wins that happen. "Hard conservatives" didn't make up the idea of fighting executive amnesty, the GOP ran on that last year. Same with controlling spending. It was the GOP leadership that then caved on amnesty in a heartbeat and passed the deficit hiking "doc-fix". "Hard conservatives" didn't come up with "a dollar or more in savings for every dollar we hike the debt ceiling". That was Boehner and it was Boehner who then broke that promise as fast as he could. Hard conservatives won't get the sun and the moon from the GOP but don't be surprised that people tune you out when you promise something and fail to even try to deliver on it. You can only lie and cheat someone so many times until they walk away. The GOP always wants to run on policy papers and 78 point plans because that's what the media and donors like to hear. They continue to ignore the emotional element of politics because they don't like it and they aren't any good at it. Like it or not, people are swayed by their emotions and it's easier to move someone that way than it is to argue them into supporting a position they don't currently hold. People on the right are mad but also scared about what's happening to this country.They want to know that a candidate shares those feelings, that they "get it". If the GOP won't offer that candidate, it shouldn't be surprising that when one comes along who at least seems to "get it", people are intrigued by him.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: goatweed at July 02, 2015 11:17 AM (8HrdX)
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Trump is at 12% with 15 other candidates in the race, and he'd be at 12% with two other candidates in the race. He's a fringe figure, and most of that 12% won't vote for him anyway. Stop making this about Trump.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 02, 2015 11:18 AM (XsOa7)
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The only reason he's anywhere near the top is because the other 88% is so fractured.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 02, 2015 11:20 AM (XsOa7)
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YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!
Posted by: Col. Jessup (Ret) at July 02, 2015 11:22 AM (zZIKl)
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If someone actually comes up with a viable third party that speaks to my values more than the two we have now, I'm there in a hot minute.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 02, 2015 11:22 AM (Edob3)
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IwFB
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 02, 2015 11:23 AM (evdj2)
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Trump before Rubio and BBBBUUUSSSHHHH!!!
Posted by: Draki at July 02, 2015 11:23 AM (udx6h)
Posted by: Wodeshed at July 02, 2015 11:23 AM (OeJe4)
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Nice post DrewM.
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 02, 2015 11:24 AM (UnJ7w)
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Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 02, 2015 11:18 AM (XsOa7)
He's not making it about Trump.
Trunp is indicative of a larger issue. He's just a good example to use.
He's not making it about Trump.
Trunp is indicative of a larger issue. He's just a good example to use.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 02, 2015 11:24 AM (Zu3d9)
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There's a lot of populist anger to be harnessed and led within the GOP but most Republican candidates are unwilling or an unable to do so. Nature abhors a vacuum and so...the Trump bubble.
"Death, Where Is Thy Launch Codes?"
"Death, Where Is Thy Launch Codes?"
Posted by: kbdabear at July 02, 2015 11:24 AM (GrXXa)
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"Hard conservatives" don't simply prize "purity over winning", we prize doing something with the wins that happen.
Whoop, there it is.
Whoop, there it is.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 02, 2015 11:24 AM (evdj2)
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I didn't read anywhere in this that it was about Trump.
Him being the loudmouth has got to peeve Crispy something fierce.
Him being the loudmouth has got to peeve Crispy something fierce.
Posted by: Chupacabras at July 02, 2015 11:24 AM (W2YA6)
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I will also note that Chris Christie seems to think that his 'straight-talking stealth-progressive' schtick is going to fly. It ain't. Who wants a fire-breathing moderate, anyway?
I will also note that Chris Christie seems to think that his 'straight-talking stealth-progressive' schtick is going to fly. It ain't. Who wants a fire-breathing moderate, anyway?
Posted by: Wodeshed at July 02, 2015 11:25 AM (OeJe4)
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Better Trump's Hair than Jeb!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 02, 2015 11:26 AM (eEb+d)
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So you're saying we need Palin to run?
Posted by: navypopojojo at July 02, 2015 11:27 AM (Ki+Xn)
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>>i[]"Hard conservatives" don't simply prize "purity over winning", we prize doing something with the wins that happen.
Whoop, there it is.
- - - -
Seconded.
Whoop, there it is.
- - - -
Seconded.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 02, 2015 11:27 AM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Wodeshed at July 02, 2015 11:27 AM (OeJe4)
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He's not making it about Trump.
Trunp is indicative of a larger issue. He's just a good example to use.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 02, 2015 11:24 AM (Zu3d9)
No, I don't mean DrewM. I mean the Democrat-media complex.
Trunp is indicative of a larger issue. He's just a good example to use.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 02, 2015 11:24 AM (Zu3d9)
No, I don't mean DrewM. I mean the Democrat-media complex.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 02, 2015 11:28 AM (XsOa7)
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So to cut to the chase, we the base, are pissed and are not going to take it anymore. Yeah I'll go along with that.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2015 11:28 AM (wq4B0)
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"It seems the candidates think the anger is at gays when it strikes me it's much more at a process conservatives feel is rigged. There's almost no recognition by candidates that people feel something important about America is slipping away."
This. This. A thousand times this. the only thing I felt that Rubio (i think?) was right on was that the case was not about human dignity. But that's how it got sold. I am so angry with my country. And every timeI see one of those damned rainbow flags on Facebook I think to myself, "There's somebody who would surrender my right to live as I wish and to teach my children as I wish and ignore my first amendment protections for nothing." and again, this has less to do with the outcome of the decision which I always felt was inevitable, and more to do with how it happened and the ugliness that followed.
This. This. A thousand times this. the only thing I felt that Rubio (i think?) was right on was that the case was not about human dignity. But that's how it got sold. I am so angry with my country. And every timeI see one of those damned rainbow flags on Facebook I think to myself, "There's somebody who would surrender my right to live as I wish and to teach my children as I wish and ignore my first amendment protections for nothing." and again, this has less to do with the outcome of the decision which I always felt was inevitable, and more to do with how it happened and the ugliness that followed.
Posted by: Beanerschnitzel at July 02, 2015 11:28 AM (8d63Z)
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My hash looks like a chemistry quiz
Posted by: navypopojojo at July 02, 2015 11:28 AM (Ki+Xn)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 02, 2015 11:28 AM (eEb+d)
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2He's a fringe figure, and most of that 12% won't vote for him anyway. Stop making this about Trump.
And my GOPe-ometer is pegged.
And my GOPe-ometer is pegged.
Posted by: bystander at July 02, 2015 11:29 AM (hKyl0)
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What? Jebbie isn't firing up the base? Cuz I think he's dreamy.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 02, 2015 11:29 AM (oZr5y)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2015 11:29 AM (kdS6q)
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3 The only reason he's anywhere near the top is because the other 88% is so fractured.
You misspelled 'p@ssywhipped.'
You misspelled 'p@ssywhipped.'
Posted by: bystander at July 02, 2015 11:29 AM (hKyl0)
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With what is going on all across the Anglosohere with the self immolation and diminished desire to exist, it does shed a little light on why and how the Neanderthals went extinct.
We are living that in real-time.
Or put another way, compete for existence or be thrown on the scrap heap of history.
We are living that in real-time.
Or put another way, compete for existence or be thrown on the scrap heap of history.
Posted by: Norman Borlaug's Grain Factory at July 02, 2015 11:30 AM (WVvzl)
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I'll add that unlike most others in the GOP, Trump has not (yet?) implied or flat out said we are the bad guys for not going along w/their Dem Lite agenda. We are not h8rs for wanting controlled immigration, Obamacare repealed, the march to destroy marriage stopped, etc.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 02, 2015 11:30 AM (NOIQH)
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and In before the Republican Toadys!
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 02, 2015 11:31 AM (evdj2)
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If Rick Wilson could name even one thing conservatives have won in return for backing the GOPe his complaint about "valuing purity above all" would have a little more force (not a lot more, but still...).
The truth is, conservatives have won nothing. Zero.
Every hill is "not the hill to die on" for McVain, McDonnell, Boehner et al.
That's why the GOP is schismatic and will likely lose the 2016 elections.
The truth is, conservatives have won nothing. Zero.
Every hill is "not the hill to die on" for McVain, McDonnell, Boehner et al.
That's why the GOP is schismatic and will likely lose the 2016 elections.
Posted by: MTF at July 02, 2015 11:31 AM (DkJ4E)
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"He's the feel good hit of the summer..."
Posted by: Phil at July 02, 2015 11:31 AM (39FGM)
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Hard conservatives won't get the sun and the moon from the GOP but don't be surprised that people tune you out when you promise something and fail to even try to deliver on it. You can only lie and cheat someone so many times until they walk away.
Like it or not, people are swayed by their emotions and it's easier to move someone that way than it is to argue them into supporting a position they don't currently hold. People on the right are mad but also scared about what's happening to this country.They want to know that a candidate shares those feelings, that they "get it".
You contradict yourself. The party to which we belong lies to us and quickly abandons its goals. Reacting positively to someone that hasn't lied to them (yet) isn't being emotional. It's logical.
Having said that, the polling thus far is largely name recognition, and Trump is easily the most visible.
Like it or not, people are swayed by their emotions and it's easier to move someone that way than it is to argue them into supporting a position they don't currently hold. People on the right are mad but also scared about what's happening to this country.They want to know that a candidate shares those feelings, that they "get it".
You contradict yourself. The party to which we belong lies to us and quickly abandons its goals. Reacting positively to someone that hasn't lied to them (yet) isn't being emotional. It's logical.
Having said that, the polling thus far is largely name recognition, and Trump is easily the most visible.
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 02, 2015 11:31 AM (Spluw)
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Shouldn't a supposedly conservative party be the ones finding, developing and promoting conservative candidates?
Hah! You're joking, right? Tell me you're joking.
*hic*
Hah! You're joking, right? Tell me you're joking.
*hic*
Posted by: John Boehner at July 02, 2015 11:31 AM (oZr5y)
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WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT.........ANY MORE!!!
Posted by: Twisted Sister at July 02, 2015 11:31 AM (zZIKl)
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Drew, I must object to lumping Carson in with Trump. Trump is a clown and a complete joke, while Carson is a decent, accomplished person who is ill-suited to the presidency.
There's a difference.
Also, this is not a response to you, but to others who say, "At least Trump speaks his mind!" and assume that means Trump has convictions. Near as I can tell, he does not have convictions beyond self-interest and self-promotion. He is saying what he knows people are itching to hear someone say, but he will do whatever furthers his personal ambitions.
There's a difference.
Also, this is not a response to you, but to others who say, "At least Trump speaks his mind!" and assume that means Trump has convictions. Near as I can tell, he does not have convictions beyond self-interest and self-promotion. He is saying what he knows people are itching to hear someone say, but he will do whatever furthers his personal ambitions.
Posted by: Mindy at July 02, 2015 11:31 AM (BkhqT)
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Conservatives helped deliver historic GOP wins last year in the House
and gave the party the Senate back. What exactly do they have to show
for it?
And purges.
They courted Democrats to keep the quisling leadership, and they're purging conservatives that aren't willing to bow.
They're as much the enemy as anyone else.
and gave the party the Senate back. What exactly do they have to show
for it?
And purges.
They courted Democrats to keep the quisling leadership, and they're purging conservatives that aren't willing to bow.
They're as much the enemy as anyone else.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 02, 2015 11:32 AM (oVJmc)
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I mean the Democrat-media complex.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 02, 2015 11:28 AM (XsOa7)
Because Trump is, ultimately, a buffoon, and they want to tar the Republicans as fundamentally unserious.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 02, 2015 11:28 AM (XsOa7)
Because Trump is, ultimately, a buffoon, and they want to tar the Republicans as fundamentally unserious.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 02, 2015 11:32 AM (Zu3d9)
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This week was the last straw for me regarding FB.
It's not good enough to just remove the annoyances anymore... we are the annoyances so may as well take your privacy and sanity with you.
Killed my decade old gmail account too, cus screw those guys.
It's not good enough to just remove the annoyances anymore... we are the annoyances so may as well take your privacy and sanity with you.
Killed my decade old gmail account too, cus screw those guys.
Posted by: Chupacabras at July 02, 2015 11:32 AM (F26eZ)
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Trump is a human. That makes him better than a Jebutron Bush model 3.0 or MittBot(Cuban Edition).
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 02, 2015 11:32 AM (auetc)
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With today's current line up of GOP candidates, I haven't been this excited since Ben Affleck and J-Lo called it quits.
Posted by: Fritz at July 02, 2015 11:32 AM (o/UmK)
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I'll add that unlike most others in the GOP, Trump
has not (yet?) implied or flat out said we are the bad guys for not
going along w/their Dem Lite agenda. We are not h8rs for wanting
controlled immigration, Obamacare repealed, the march to destroy
marriage stopped, etc.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 02, 2015 11:30 AM (NOIQH)
That's a plus too. Probably why Mike Flynn is successful at communicating too.
has not (yet?) implied or flat out said we are the bad guys for not
going along w/their Dem Lite agenda. We are not h8rs for wanting
controlled immigration, Obamacare repealed, the march to destroy
marriage stopped, etc.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 02, 2015 11:30 AM (NOIQH)
That's a plus too. Probably why Mike Flynn is successful at communicating too.
Posted by: Draki at July 02, 2015 11:32 AM (udx6h)
Posted by: Donald Trump's Executive Chair at July 02, 2015 11:33 AM (OeJe4)
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Killed my decade old gmail account too, cus screw those guys.
Posted by: Chupacabras at July 02, 2015 11:32 AM (F26eZ)
I'm boycotting starbucks now too. DD all the way.
Posted by: Chupacabras at July 02, 2015 11:32 AM (F26eZ)
I'm boycotting starbucks now too. DD all the way.
Posted by: Draki at July 02, 2015 11:33 AM (udx6h)
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Because Trump is, ultimately, a buffoon, and they want to tar the Republicans as fundamentally unserious.
In other words, the media is planning to tell the truth about Republicans.
In other words, the media is planning to tell the truth about Republicans.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at July 02, 2015 11:33 AM (auetc)
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Good Citizens are chumps.
Posted by: Grump928(c) is an AllenG wannabe at July 02, 2015 11:33 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 02, 2015 11:34 AM (Q4pU/)
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I had dinner with an Establishment type once. He spoke scornfully of politicians who don't go along with all the earmark horsetrading. They want "to be all pure," he said, sneering, "so nothing ever gets done. Politics is compromise, simple as that."
I couldn't get him to see the trap. He was just fixated on negotiation and compromise. Wherever that led, it didn't matter.
"Without vision the people perish."
I couldn't get him to see the trap. He was just fixated on negotiation and compromise. Wherever that led, it didn't matter.
"Without vision the people perish."
Posted by: Feh at July 02, 2015 11:34 AM (qIgAM)
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I think you're right on Beanerschnitzel. I couldn't care less that queers can marry, none of my business really. It's the unConstitutional way in which these things are forced on people.
Marriage is a State issue and I believe eventually gay marriage would have been adopted. But these nine lawyers in black robes get to uproot the culture on a whim.
Marriage is a State issue and I believe eventually gay marriage would have been adopted. But these nine lawyers in black robes get to uproot the culture on a whim.
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 02, 2015 11:34 AM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: NC Shark at July 02, 2015 11:34 AM (mme62)
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Hey GOPe!
Give us an end to one department. Energy. Education. Commerce. Labor. One of them, and we don't care which one.
Give us a rollback of the EPA.
Bring us indictments for Lerner, Wilkins and their ilk.
You'll have volunteers by the thousands turn out, and bushels of money.
Give us an end to one department. Energy. Education. Commerce. Labor. One of them, and we don't care which one.
Give us a rollback of the EPA.
Bring us indictments for Lerner, Wilkins and their ilk.
You'll have volunteers by the thousands turn out, and bushels of money.
Posted by: MTF at July 02, 2015 11:34 AM (DkJ4E)
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Stomped in previous:
Headline at Tepid Air: "When will B. Sanders pass Shillary! in polling?" Short answer: The first of never. The MFM will not let her coronation day get ruined. Maybe tarnished a little, but it WILL happen. Too much ink to spill on the deliciousness that will be first-fella and rapsit-in-chief Billy Jeff.
Headline at Tepid Air: "When will B. Sanders pass Shillary! in polling?" Short answer: The first of never. The MFM will not let her coronation day get ruined. Maybe tarnished a little, but it WILL happen. Too much ink to spill on the deliciousness that will be first-fella and rapsit-in-chief Billy Jeff.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 02, 2015 11:34 AM (5buP8)
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ok but why the name "acela"? Why not just stick with RINO?
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at July 02, 2015 11:35 AM (xkSSa)
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"You can only lie and cheat someone so many times until they walk away."
Really? This has yet to be proved.
Really? This has yet to be proved.
Posted by: rrpjr at July 02, 2015 11:35 AM (s/yC1)
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You think DD is like Hobby Lobby or something?
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 02, 2015 11:35 AM (XsOa7)
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If Rick Wilson could name even one thing conservatives have won in return for backing the GOPe his complaint about "valuing purity above all" would have a little more force (not a lot more, but still...).
His crap doesn't begin to explain the purges goin gon right now.
It doesn't explain the efforts against the tea parties.
It doesn't BEGIN to explain why this leadership will not do what dems didbetween 2007 - 2009 when they had the House and Senate and rethuglickkkkkkkans had the Presidency.
His crap doesn't begin to explain the purges goin gon right now.
It doesn't explain the efforts against the tea parties.
It doesn't BEGIN to explain why this leadership will not do what dems didbetween 2007 - 2009 when they had the House and Senate and rethuglickkkkkkkans had the Presidency.
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 02, 2015 11:35 AM (Spluw)
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So, Jeb is not one of these beasts just because he governed conservatively some time in the past? huh, say what? All of these guys change hats just as quickly as they need, no exceptions. They call it politics, not honor or truth, for a reason.
Posted by: goon at July 02, 2015 11:36 AM (gy5kE)
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Killed my decade old gmail account too, cus screw those guys.
I keep gmail accounts as junk mail boxes so i can provide a valid email on certain sites. I never check 'em, so the mail piles up on their servers. It's a meta passive-aggressive thing.
Killed my decade old gmail account too, cus screw those guys.
I keep gmail accounts as junk mail boxes so i can provide a valid email on certain sites. I never check 'em, so the mail piles up on their servers. It's a meta passive-aggressive thing.
Posted by: Wodeshed at July 02, 2015 11:36 AM (OeJe4)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2015 11:36 AM (kdS6q)
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Maybe this "Acela" is the same thing as "akela," which is some sort of native word for leader.
So, they're defining these guys as "leaders."
So, they're defining these guys as "leaders."
Posted by: Feh at July 02, 2015 11:36 AM (qIgAM)
Posted by: eman at July 02, 2015 11:36 AM (MQEz6)
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You can call Trump a clown all you want, and he is not my guy or the ideal candidate. HOWEVER he has accomplished a lot on his life and has the results to prove it. And he is right we are being taken for fools in almost every negotiation we partake in. He is making some great points, like about the fact that many of the people sneaking over our southern border are not PHds but scum. Good people don't break the law and good Countries- read that as Mexico- don't facilitate that kind of behavior.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 02, 2015 11:36 AM (wq4B0)
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I desperately want the Republican nominee in the General Election debate to turn to the Democrat and say 'When I'm elected, you're going to prison.'
If we must be ruled by the opinion of one man, *cough*Kennedy Court*cough*, I want a Caesar.
If we must be ruled by the opinion of one man, *cough*Kennedy Court*cough*, I want a Caesar.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 02, 2015 11:36 AM (evdj2)
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There's almost no recognition by candidates that people feel something important about America is slipping away. They aren't seeing that being acknowledged by Jeb, Marco or even Walker.
Well, when exactly no one dares to mention the many elephants in the room, like a shitty economy, skyrocketing inflation, the unsustainable debt, record numbers of Americans out of work, and all the other ills visited upon us by marxist economic policies, it's no wonder we feel like they're ignoring what the rest of us see around us each and every day.
And that's just economics. Shit Midas has worked his reverse magic on everything he's touched in the past 6 years. And he's touched quite a lot of things.
Well, when exactly no one dares to mention the many elephants in the room, like a shitty economy, skyrocketing inflation, the unsustainable debt, record numbers of Americans out of work, and all the other ills visited upon us by marxist economic policies, it's no wonder we feel like they're ignoring what the rest of us see around us each and every day.
And that's just economics. Shit Midas has worked his reverse magic on everything he's touched in the past 6 years. And he's touched quite a lot of things.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 02, 2015 11:36 AM (eEb+d)
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Fuck the GOP.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 02, 2015 11:36 AM (YFw5T)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 02, 2015 11:37 AM (evdj2)
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...wants to run on policy papers and 78 point plans because that's what the media and donors want to hear.
Yeah, nothing says that you've given an issue serious thought like trotting out a "plan" with dozens of points. It says you're beholden to a committee-driven mindset that is terrified of offending anyone
Consider the simplicity and succinctness of an alternative:
Burn it down.
Scatter the ashes.
Salt the ground where it stood.
Now, is that a plan? Most folks would say no, but they would acknowledge that it conveys a clear message, which is something the Acela Republicans avoid like a vampire confronted with a necklace of garlic.
...wants to run on policy papers and 78 point plans because that's what the media and donors want to hear.
Yeah, nothing says that you've given an issue serious thought like trotting out a "plan" with dozens of points. It says you're beholden to a committee-driven mindset that is terrified of offending anyone
Consider the simplicity and succinctness of an alternative:
Burn it down.
Scatter the ashes.
Salt the ground where it stood.
Now, is that a plan? Most folks would say no, but they would acknowledge that it conveys a clear message, which is something the Acela Republicans avoid like a vampire confronted with a necklace of garlic.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at July 02, 2015 11:37 AM (95CzI)
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Chris Christie is an unrepentant buffoon who values compromise over principle but his is the ideology of the GOPe.
Compromise is not a principle it's a tactic.
If the other side wants to spend us into oblivion you will compromise and mearly spend us into penury?
The other side wants to eviscerate federalism and you will mearly abridge it?
He is a fool, the GOPe are fools, this whole damn country is full of fools!!
Compromise is not a principle it's a tactic.
If the other side wants to spend us into oblivion you will compromise and mearly spend us into penury?
The other side wants to eviscerate federalism and you will mearly abridge it?
He is a fool, the GOPe are fools, this whole damn country is full of fools!!
Posted by: Norman Borlaug's Grain Factory at July 02, 2015 11:37 AM (WVvzl)
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The GOP always wants to run on policy papers and 78 point plans because
that's what the media and donors like to hear. They continue to ignore
the emotional element of politics because they don't like it and they
aren't any good at it.
It's true that there is an emotional element, but let's not pretend it is only "emotion". When someone talks about "emotion", the implication is that it is unthinking and not based on anything logical or meaningful (and I don't believe you mean this here - but people will infer it and when others - particularly establishment GOP types - talk about "emotion they do mean this).
the "emotion" here being felt by conservatives is in fact based on real issues. We have been lied to and betrayed every single election for far too long to trust the GOP whatsoever.
So, it would not be enough for a candidate to be able to "connect" with the emotion, if that candidate, outside of "connecting", was still a liberal a la Jeb Bush.
In the end the truth is that the GOP is not a conservative party. It was not founded as a conservative party, did not grow as a conservative party, and does not want to be a conservative party (outside of the use of conservatism in fund raising appeals). The GOP is a big-gov't party that is more friendly to business/management than the DNC. that is it - that is the entirety of what the GOP is. The GOP buys all of the basic tenants of leftism - that gov't should control most things, that Global Warming is man-made, that illegals should be amnestied, that the interstate commerce clause does apply to every single commercial transaction regardless of whether it involves commerce between states, that Islam must be protected, that schools should be federally controlled, that health care should be federally controlled.
Conservatives bought into the GOP because of the Cold War, Abortion, and Taxes. The Cold War is over, the GOP doesn't want to engage on abortion, and it doesn't really matter that the GOP agrees not to raise taxes if simultaneously they pursue every single leftist agenda-item and raise spending, increasing the debt.
there is literally nothing left of the GOP for conservatives to support. that is the biggest problem. It is highly unlikely that anyone conservative will win the nomination. What would a Jeb Bush presidency look like? More to the point - in what way would a Jeb Bush presidency differ from an Obama presidency? Jeb would be more successful at passing amnesty and would continue all of Obama's other policies.
Our goal over the next decade or so should not be to help the GOP win elections, but instead our goal should be to move the GOP as far rightward as we can. And, moving the GOP rightward will entail allowing - through the withholding of conservative votes - the GOP to lose elections. The usual suspects will say that is "giving up" or "helping the democrats", but it is neither. it is instead a different strategy with a focus on achieving substantial conservative results rather than empty GOP victories.
If we have a GOP majority for the next ten years or so, with a GOP president during some of that time, the left's agenda will advance at almost the same pace it is now. Thus, it is no victory for conservatives and is instead a significant loss.
If instead, we focus on and manage to move the GOP rightward over the next ten years or so and then win a GOP congressional majority or the WH after that time, real progress can be made toward conservative policy.
On the one hand is the Pyrrhic victory of yet again helping the GOP win an election but achieving no conservative goals (i.e., doing the same thing and expecting a different result) versus on the other hand doing something different in an attempt to actually force the GOP to become a conservative party in order to achieve real conservative results.
I know, I know: "but if we do that, the DNC will win". And "if we elect Mike Flynn to congress, everything will change". Yeah. Sure. Whatever.
that's what the media and donors like to hear. They continue to ignore
the emotional element of politics because they don't like it and they
aren't any good at it.
It's true that there is an emotional element, but let's not pretend it is only "emotion". When someone talks about "emotion", the implication is that it is unthinking and not based on anything logical or meaningful (and I don't believe you mean this here - but people will infer it and when others - particularly establishment GOP types - talk about "emotion they do mean this).
the "emotion" here being felt by conservatives is in fact based on real issues. We have been lied to and betrayed every single election for far too long to trust the GOP whatsoever.
So, it would not be enough for a candidate to be able to "connect" with the emotion, if that candidate, outside of "connecting", was still a liberal a la Jeb Bush.
In the end the truth is that the GOP is not a conservative party. It was not founded as a conservative party, did not grow as a conservative party, and does not want to be a conservative party (outside of the use of conservatism in fund raising appeals). The GOP is a big-gov't party that is more friendly to business/management than the DNC. that is it - that is the entirety of what the GOP is. The GOP buys all of the basic tenants of leftism - that gov't should control most things, that Global Warming is man-made, that illegals should be amnestied, that the interstate commerce clause does apply to every single commercial transaction regardless of whether it involves commerce between states, that Islam must be protected, that schools should be federally controlled, that health care should be federally controlled.
Conservatives bought into the GOP because of the Cold War, Abortion, and Taxes. The Cold War is over, the GOP doesn't want to engage on abortion, and it doesn't really matter that the GOP agrees not to raise taxes if simultaneously they pursue every single leftist agenda-item and raise spending, increasing the debt.
there is literally nothing left of the GOP for conservatives to support. that is the biggest problem. It is highly unlikely that anyone conservative will win the nomination. What would a Jeb Bush presidency look like? More to the point - in what way would a Jeb Bush presidency differ from an Obama presidency? Jeb would be more successful at passing amnesty and would continue all of Obama's other policies.
Our goal over the next decade or so should not be to help the GOP win elections, but instead our goal should be to move the GOP as far rightward as we can. And, moving the GOP rightward will entail allowing - through the withholding of conservative votes - the GOP to lose elections. The usual suspects will say that is "giving up" or "helping the democrats", but it is neither. it is instead a different strategy with a focus on achieving substantial conservative results rather than empty GOP victories.
If we have a GOP majority for the next ten years or so, with a GOP president during some of that time, the left's agenda will advance at almost the same pace it is now. Thus, it is no victory for conservatives and is instead a significant loss.
If instead, we focus on and manage to move the GOP rightward over the next ten years or so and then win a GOP congressional majority or the WH after that time, real progress can be made toward conservative policy.
On the one hand is the Pyrrhic victory of yet again helping the GOP win an election but achieving no conservative goals (i.e., doing the same thing and expecting a different result) versus on the other hand doing something different in an attempt to actually force the GOP to become a conservative party in order to achieve real conservative results.
I know, I know: "but if we do that, the DNC will win". And "if we elect Mike Flynn to congress, everything will change". Yeah. Sure. Whatever.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at July 02, 2015 11:37 AM (3ZtZW)
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"I can think of no reason why anyone should be allowed to own a gun"
Posted by: Dr.Ben Carson at July 02, 2015 11:37 AM (ZQfW9)
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Interesting problem, this having too many elephants in the room.
Posted by: Feh at July 02, 2015 11:37 AM (qIgAM)
Posted by: donna at July 02, 2015 11:37 AM (Bn6aD)
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Sounds right, but I am too rich and important to take the Acela.
Posted by: Mr. Doo Doo at July 02, 2015 11:38 AM (OD2ni)
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Washington Post had an eye rolling article about Trump: "As Donald Trump Surges in Polls, Democrats Cheer." http://wpo.st/gg5P0
Thanks for being oh-so-concerned about the need for the GOP to distance itself from Trump, dems. How nice of you to care.
Someone noted in the WaPo comments that his stance is resonating with legal Latino immigrants possibly more than the dems care to admit. Does not fit the Racist! narrative dems are trying to tar him with.
Thanks for being oh-so-concerned about the need for the GOP to distance itself from Trump, dems. How nice of you to care.
Someone noted in the WaPo comments that his stance is resonating with legal Latino immigrants possibly more than the dems care to admit. Does not fit the Racist! narrative dems are trying to tar him with.
Posted by: LizLem at July 02, 2015 11:39 AM (hvf9s)
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Anthony or Hillary ... or Chelsea ... or Hillary AND Chelsea. Yeah that's the ticket.
Posted by: Huma Abedin at July 02, 2015 11:39 AM (6qR/9)
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Trump is not the problem with the presidential campaign. Jeb Bush is the problem, Christie is the problem, the going-through-the-motions leadership is the problem. Does the RNC want someone who is more serious and more dynamic and more appealing to the general public than Trump. They had such a person in 2008, one Sarah Palin, and the country club set couldn't run away from her fast enough. McLame held his fire on Obummer, as did Romney, and look where we are now.
Sure Trump is more liberal than most of us living in flyover country. He is also a Republican because he is not a Socialist, and he feels no guilt about making and spending money. Trump has run a business, he knows what it is like to make it big...and then lose it all when the market falls apart. That's meaningful credentials for trying to restore the economy that Obummer and friends have spent nearly two terms wrecking.
Trump is the ONLY candidate who has publicly called the encouragement and employment of illegals the losing proposition it really is. Trump might actually reduce government spending because he wants to, to the degree he wants to, and then tell all the smart people it's what the USA needs. What is wrong with that? And HE might get to approve SCOTUS justices instead of a Marxist in Democrats' clothing. Plus I don't see Trump being an overbearing authoritarian while encouraging disorder like Obummer has done.
Sure Trump is more liberal than most of us living in flyover country. He is also a Republican because he is not a Socialist, and he feels no guilt about making and spending money. Trump has run a business, he knows what it is like to make it big...and then lose it all when the market falls apart. That's meaningful credentials for trying to restore the economy that Obummer and friends have spent nearly two terms wrecking.
Trump is the ONLY candidate who has publicly called the encouragement and employment of illegals the losing proposition it really is. Trump might actually reduce government spending because he wants to, to the degree he wants to, and then tell all the smart people it's what the USA needs. What is wrong with that? And HE might get to approve SCOTUS justices instead of a Marxist in Democrats' clothing. Plus I don't see Trump being an overbearing authoritarian while encouraging disorder like Obummer has done.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 02, 2015 11:40 AM (ry4ab)
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DD all the way.
Posted by: Draki at July 02, 2015 11:33 AM (udx6h)
That's a little large. I thing D is the perfect size.
Posted by: Draki at July 02, 2015 11:33 AM (udx6h)
That's a little large. I thing D is the perfect size.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 02, 2015 11:40 AM (Zu3d9)
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At least when they're thrashing someone from the GOPe to obfuscate Hillary's! bullshit, they've got Trump to harp on.
He's candidate Phalanx, so he's got that going for him.
He's candidate Phalanx, so he's got that going for him.
Posted by: Chupacabras at July 02, 2015 11:40 AM (q/kmn)
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Yeah, Trump is basically taking advantage of the fact that Americans want someone who says "the hell with this" and goes nuts saying what so many of us are thinking and saying privately. That's the theme of Warren Beatty's leftist masturbatory fantasy Bullworth where a candidate knowing he's going to die anyway just cuts loose and acts like an idiot but says all the leftist stuff they wish they could say and becomes super popular.
In real life he'd crater because people would think he's insane for trying to rap on national TV and hide in a ghetto, but the theme is the same: its appealing for someone to just stand up and say all the stuff they're not supposed to say and flip off anyone who has a problem with it.
Today's cringing political correctness and heding, hemming, hawing responses by candidates is annoying and craven. People want bold, strong, courageous leadership, not timid and fearful cowards.
I doubt Trump believes 3 out of 5 words he says, but he's doing it in a way people want to hear and appreciate.
In real life he'd crater because people would think he's insane for trying to rap on national TV and hide in a ghetto, but the theme is the same: its appealing for someone to just stand up and say all the stuff they're not supposed to say and flip off anyone who has a problem with it.
Today's cringing political correctness and heding, hemming, hawing responses by candidates is annoying and craven. People want bold, strong, courageous leadership, not timid and fearful cowards.
I doubt Trump believes 3 out of 5 words he says, but he's doing it in a way people want to hear and appreciate.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 11:41 AM (39g3+)
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This Rick Wilson guy strikes me as one of those establishment characters who likes to play the bad boy. His jab about conservative "purity" -- and his backhanded praise of Jeb -- give it away.
Posted by: rrpjr at July 02, 2015 11:41 AM (s/yC1)
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The GOPe is more comfortable attacking their own members/potential voters than their opponents/opponents supporters.
It's that simple.
Why the heck should we consider anyone who's already made it clear they, at best, tolerate us?
It's that simple.
Why the heck should we consider anyone who's already made it clear they, at best, tolerate us?
Posted by: Lizzy at July 02, 2015 11:41 AM (NOIQH)
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>>So why are so many Republican voters flirting with a crazy loudmouthed liberal? I think it's mostly because of the 2nd thing...loudmouthed. <<
Maybe it's that or maybe it's because he's liberal. That might explain why Sanders is gaining ground on Hillary! quickly.
I sure hope it's not because Trump's liberal. Between that and Sanders' popularity, that might mean the country is about to lurch way to the left.
If so, I blame the hipster Millenials...
Maybe it's that or maybe it's because he's liberal. That might explain why Sanders is gaining ground on Hillary! quickly.
I sure hope it's not because Trump's liberal. Between that and Sanders' popularity, that might mean the country is about to lurch way to the left.
If so, I blame the hipster Millenials...
Posted by: MacGruber at July 02, 2015 11:41 AM (sWgE+)
Posted by: Captain Oblivious at July 02, 2015 11:41 AM (hiT/m)
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Yeah I saw that article and stopped reading at the stupid purity line. The last four presidential elections, last two midterms, and all modern election data proves him dead wrong in that area.
It's one thing to be wrong, but I'm not even going to give him the time of day when he's arrogantly wrong. There's enough of that to go around without listening to it from my putative allies.
It's one thing to be wrong, but I'm not even going to give him the time of day when he's arrogantly wrong. There's enough of that to go around without listening to it from my putative allies.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2015 11:41 AM (xSCb6)
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I've said and tweeted a lot about Trump, so here's my summing up tweet:
https://twitter.com/votermom/status/616618136004100096
Do you think ANY politician will have the guts to oppose illegal immigration after the mob is done ravaging Trump's twitching corpse?
https://twitter.com/votermom/status/616618136004100096
Do you think ANY politician will have the guts to oppose illegal immigration after the mob is done ravaging Trump's twitching corpse?
Posted by: @votermom at July 02, 2015 11:41 AM (gLaGv)
Posted by: gh at July 02, 2015 11:42 AM (YlqSL)
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Every Conservative in the House and Senate is vital to keeping Orange and Turtle in power.
Without them the O and T alliance with the Democrats will collapse.
Why do they continue to prop up the Federal Empire?
Do they still think there is something they can acomplish?
Is it a sense of duty?
Or are they not yet ready to accept the truth?
Without them the O and T alliance with the Democrats will collapse.
Why do they continue to prop up the Federal Empire?
Do they still think there is something they can acomplish?
Is it a sense of duty?
Or are they not yet ready to accept the truth?
Posted by: eman at July 02, 2015 11:42 AM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 02, 2015 11:42 AM (UnJ7w)
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"Washington Post had an eye rolling article about Trump: "As Donald Trump Surges in Polls, Democrats Cheer."
Meanwhile the only viable contender to Hillary Clinton is an avowed socialist. I think Trump is a clown, but he's James Madison compared to Bernie Sanders.
Meanwhile the only viable contender to Hillary Clinton is an avowed socialist. I think Trump is a clown, but he's James Madison compared to Bernie Sanders.
Posted by: Paul at July 02, 2015 11:42 AM (P1jJI)
Posted by: naturalfake at July 02, 2015 11:42 AM (KUa85)
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A third of the prisoners in California's prison system are illegal Mexicans.
Trump should point that out.
Trump should point that out.
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at July 02, 2015 11:43 AM (JgC5a)
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I have no doubt Trump says what he believes but he believes something different every other day. He is pro life but believes women should be able to choose and would not ban any abortion except partial birth. He believe everyone should own a gun except he is against assault rifles because who needs those except soldiers and criminals. He believe taxes are too high but suggests a one time tax on the rich should be applied to wipe out the debt. He said we should leave Afghanistan immediately but against a withdrawal timeline. He is protectionist but for free trade. It's hard to keep up with his contradictions.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 02, 2015 11:43 AM (Q4pU/)
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52
Stomped in previous:
Headline at Tepid Air: "When will B. Sanders pass Shillary! in
polling?" Short answer: The first of never. The MFM will not let her
coronation day get ruined. Maybe tarnished a little, but it WILL happen.
Too much ink to spill on the deliciousness that will be first-fella and
rapsit-in-chief Billy Jeff.
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Shrillary looked pretty inevitable too in 2007. How did that work out for her?
Stomped in previous:
Headline at Tepid Air: "When will B. Sanders pass Shillary! in
polling?" Short answer: The first of never. The MFM will not let her
coronation day get ruined. Maybe tarnished a little, but it WILL happen.
Too much ink to spill on the deliciousness that will be first-fella and
rapsit-in-chief Billy Jeff.
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Shrillary looked pretty inevitable too in 2007. How did that work out for her?
Posted by: exdem13 at July 02, 2015 11:43 AM (ry4ab)
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Good synopsis, Drew.
I'm mad as hell at what's going on. Trump makes me feel as if someone else 'gets it'. That doesn't mean he has my vote. Just that I think he'll help to create a clear divide between the squishes and the fighters.
I want a fighter damnit. Exporting prosperity to other countries while pretending it's a vile word in this country?
Fuck that.
I'm mad as hell at what's going on. Trump makes me feel as if someone else 'gets it'. That doesn't mean he has my vote. Just that I think he'll help to create a clear divide between the squishes and the fighters.
I want a fighter damnit. Exporting prosperity to other countries while pretending it's a vile word in this country?
Fuck that.
Posted by: se pa moron at July 02, 2015 11:43 AM (xQX/f)
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This week was the last straw for me regarding FB.
I've given this a lot of thought. One thing that Facebook does gives me is easy contact with a lot of my siblings. I have twenty seven siblings. True story. And Facebook is very good for helping me to have contact with them and with my nieces and nephews and cousins. And I was thinking, why don't I just unfriend every other single person except for those people. but I run a Facebook group about a dead Harlequin author, dont judge, and half of those profile pictures in the group are skittles colored. And I wondered what I would gain by taking my ball and quitting the field. Why am I caving to the obnoxious skittles people? Do I isolate the others who are left? So what I did, in the interim, it is unfollow every single person with a rainbow no matter how close to me they were. I don't need to be preached at or lecture 2 in this space. More unfriendings will happen, but later as I decide how important these particular people are to my life. But I find that not very many of them are. If you are foolish enough to think that a judicial fiat is the same as love winning, we probably weren't very friendly in the first place.
I've given this a lot of thought. One thing that Facebook does gives me is easy contact with a lot of my siblings. I have twenty seven siblings. True story. And Facebook is very good for helping me to have contact with them and with my nieces and nephews and cousins. And I was thinking, why don't I just unfriend every other single person except for those people. but I run a Facebook group about a dead Harlequin author, dont judge, and half of those profile pictures in the group are skittles colored. And I wondered what I would gain by taking my ball and quitting the field. Why am I caving to the obnoxious skittles people? Do I isolate the others who are left? So what I did, in the interim, it is unfollow every single person with a rainbow no matter how close to me they were. I don't need to be preached at or lecture 2 in this space. More unfriendings will happen, but later as I decide how important these particular people are to my life. But I find that not very many of them are. If you are foolish enough to think that a judicial fiat is the same as love winning, we probably weren't very friendly in the first place.
Posted by: Beanerschnitzel at July 02, 2015 11:43 AM (8d63Z)
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BTW, Trump doesn't believe the birther thing. He thinks Obama was probably born in Hawaii, but that Obama claimed to be Kenyan to get more AA points at various times in his life (college entry, selling books, etc.)
Posted by: revolting peasant at July 02, 2015 11:44 AM (hnRm7)
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Trump says he is "for traditional marriage."
Not sure what that means.
For Trump , it probably means marrying and divorcing one trophy wife after another.
Not sure what that means.
For Trump , it probably means marrying and divorcing one trophy wife after another.
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 02, 2015 11:44 AM (u07AL)
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If I had to choose, rigjt now, i would choose Christie.
The flavor is in the fat, you know.
Posted by: NC Shark at July 02, 2015 11:34 AM (mme62)
"To Serve Man" is more than a book, it's a campaign slogan!
The flavor is in the fat, you know.
Posted by: NC Shark at July 02, 2015 11:34 AM (mme62)
"To Serve Man" is more than a book, it's a campaign slogan!
Posted by: LizLem at July 02, 2015 11:44 AM (hvf9s)
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When responsible people don't deal with important problems fairly, honestly and assertively, irresponsible people will always step up and have a go on their own terms and in their own language.
This predates caveman days.
This predates caveman days.
Posted by: MikeD at July 02, 2015 11:44 AM (uKJIC)
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>>>47 Posted by: Mindy at July 02, 2015 11:31 AM (Bkhq
I agree.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 02, 2015 11:34 AM (Q4pU/)
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And I like your nic!
I agree.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 02, 2015 11:34 AM (Q4pU/)
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And I like your nic!
Posted by: Mindy at July 02, 2015 11:44 AM (BkhqT)
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Excellent post.
The conservative base is longing for someone who will give voice to their frustrations without first running to pollsters to thread the needle between the concerns of "just plain folks" and the donor class and the respectable conservatives. In the past, just plain folks have almost automatically deferred to Wall Street and the Chamber of Commerce and big business.
I sense that this preference for deference is changing rapidly, that the Federal Reserve's 0% interest rate approach--which screws over those on fixed incomes and the more naturally thrifty among us--and the open contempt that the coastal elites have for just plain folks is leading to a far more populist mindset than has ever been associated with conservatism. (Admit it, when you see a Bernie Sanders ad urging the breakup of the too-big-to-fail banks, you don't throw up in your mouth.)
Like it or not, a vote for the candidate who shows a willingness to get down in the mud and rassle with the pigs is going to be an attractive FU vote. Since voting for the "right" candidate has yielded absolutely no results, the just plain folks are going to look at voting as a means of flipping the middle finger to the elitists.
The conservative base is longing for someone who will give voice to their frustrations without first running to pollsters to thread the needle between the concerns of "just plain folks" and the donor class and the respectable conservatives. In the past, just plain folks have almost automatically deferred to Wall Street and the Chamber of Commerce and big business.
I sense that this preference for deference is changing rapidly, that the Federal Reserve's 0% interest rate approach--which screws over those on fixed incomes and the more naturally thrifty among us--and the open contempt that the coastal elites have for just plain folks is leading to a far more populist mindset than has ever been associated with conservatism. (Admit it, when you see a Bernie Sanders ad urging the breakup of the too-big-to-fail banks, you don't throw up in your mouth.)
Like it or not, a vote for the candidate who shows a willingness to get down in the mud and rassle with the pigs is going to be an attractive FU vote. Since voting for the "right" candidate has yielded absolutely no results, the just plain folks are going to look at voting as a means of flipping the middle finger to the elitists.
Posted by: Furious George at July 02, 2015 11:44 AM (UlJ3l)
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Yeah I saw that article and stopped reading at the stupid purity line. The last four presidential elections, last two midterms, and all modern election data proves him dead wrong in that area. It's one thing to be wrong, but I'm not even going to give him the time of day when he's arrogantly wrong. There's enough of that to go around without listening to it from my putative allies.
Posted by: Burn the Witch
Shorter version: "it's not us; it's you".
Or
Aren't we moderates wonderful? Now, suck our balls some more.
Posted by: Burn the Witch
Shorter version: "it's not us; it's you".
Or
Aren't we moderates wonderful? Now, suck our balls some more.
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 02, 2015 11:45 AM (Spluw)
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I think "passion" is a better term than "emotion". People don't want a candidate being weepy and emotional, they want a candidate that seems to give a damn, seems to be driven by something bigger than a job, and who seems to have that hunger to act when elected. How long has it been since we had a candidate that really seemed to care? Reagan? Almost as long as I can remember, both sides have given us tepid mumblers who can say things but don't have any passion behind their words.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 11:45 AM (39g3+)
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>>WTH is "Acela Republican".
My guess: Acela line runs from DC to Boston, so this refers to an East Coast'ish (Brahmin, elite) GOP in mindset if not in actual origin.
My guess: Acela line runs from DC to Boston, so this refers to an East Coast'ish (Brahmin, elite) GOP in mindset if not in actual origin.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 02, 2015 11:45 AM (NOIQH)
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>>
86 WTH is "Acela Republican". All google delivers is Joan Acela. None of the links tells me either.
Posted by: gh at July 02, 2015 11:42 AM (YlqSL) <<
Probablya reference to the Acela train service that serves the NE corridor. So basically, a term that mirrors Beltway Republicans.
86 WTH is "Acela Republican". All google delivers is Joan Acela. None of the links tells me either.
Posted by: gh at July 02, 2015 11:42 AM (YlqSL) <<
Probablya reference to the Acela train service that serves the NE corridor. So basically, a term that mirrors Beltway Republicans.
Posted by: MacGruber at July 02, 2015 11:46 AM (sWgE+)
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>> deepest and most appealing GOP fields in, ever,<<
When you wrote that, did you realize they might not be as "appealing" as you think?
On paper- sure they're appealing. But when they speak, or perhaps when you hear the tepid responses to the SCOTUS decisions, people realize they are probably not all they're cranked up to be.
They're another group of mostly mealy-mouthed politicians. They watch their words and measure every move. It's not natural or authentic. It looks staged and fake.
People have seen this movie before and their squeakholes still hurt from it.
But yet we still have the Stepford Candidates.
In steps Trump, speaks his mind, defends, deflects and speak extemporaneously. It's, well, refreshing.
He might be a clown and people might have legitimate concerns. But the other candidates better get a little more of what he has, a little more je nais se quoi or they might as well quit now.
When you wrote that, did you realize they might not be as "appealing" as you think?
On paper- sure they're appealing. But when they speak, or perhaps when you hear the tepid responses to the SCOTUS decisions, people realize they are probably not all they're cranked up to be.
They're another group of mostly mealy-mouthed politicians. They watch their words and measure every move. It's not natural or authentic. It looks staged and fake.
People have seen this movie before and their squeakholes still hurt from it.
But yet we still have the Stepford Candidates.
In steps Trump, speaks his mind, defends, deflects and speak extemporaneously. It's, well, refreshing.
He might be a clown and people might have legitimate concerns. But the other candidates better get a little more of what he has, a little more je nais se quoi or they might as well quit now.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 02, 2015 11:46 AM (GGCsk)
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>>> There are three kinds of people who hate the Republican Party: liberals (for all their usual, tiresome reasons), hard conservatives (who value purity over winning anything, anywhere, ever) and Acela Republicans
And 4] THEIR OWN BASE
And 4] THEIR OWN BASE
Posted by: Bigby's Extra Hand at July 02, 2015 11:46 AM (3ZtZW)
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"WTH is "Acela Republican". All google delivers is Joan Acela. None of the links tells me either."
I guess it is supposed to mean Republicans that live in the DC/NY corridor. The Acela isa higher priced train that goes between the major NE cities and shaves a few minutes off the normal Amtrak train. It is mostly for lawyers.
"WTH is "Acela Republican". All google delivers is Joan Acela. None of the links tells me either."
I guess it is supposed to mean Republicans that live in the DC/NY corridor. The Acela isa higher priced train that goes between the major NE cities and shaves a few minutes off the normal Amtrak train. It is mostly for lawyers.
Posted by: Benji Carver at July 02, 2015 11:47 AM (OD2ni)
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For Trump , it probably means marrying and divorcing one trophy wife after another.>>>
One of the benefits of having lots O money.
I don't can't even get a participation ribbon wife.
One of the benefits of having lots O money.
I don't can't even get a participation ribbon wife.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 02, 2015 11:47 AM (P/aDH)
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Listen up you idiots....the GOP is about as conservative as Mitch McConnell's boyfriend. Get your heads out of your foot lockers and think dammit. I don't want to save this or fix that I want to blow the whole establishment up and get everyone's lazy ebt swiping, pell grant stealing, IRS swindling asses back to work. More money for me means more money for you get it? Now let's get to work and build that GD wall!
Trump'16...it's what's for dinner!
Trump'16...it's what's for dinner!
Posted by: The Donald at July 02, 2015 11:47 AM (D0NZx)
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I would vote for Trump. Not because I think he would be a good President. I would vote for him, because the type of bad President he would be is likely better than the type of bad President any of the Gopes would be.
Of course, I believe his chances of actually becoming President is precisely Squat, so in that sense this becomes a matter of how he can affect the process. I see no downside there. If he has the Gopes scrambling, great. If he reveals the process to be the farce it is, even better.
I could not possibly care less then, what Trump thinks/believes/intends to do, regarding ANY of the "hot" issues of the day. These things are completely and utterly irrelevant.
Of course, I believe his chances of actually becoming President is precisely Squat, so in that sense this becomes a matter of how he can affect the process. I see no downside there. If he has the Gopes scrambling, great. If he reveals the process to be the farce it is, even better.
I could not possibly care less then, what Trump thinks/believes/intends to do, regarding ANY of the "hot" issues of the day. These things are completely and utterly irrelevant.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 02, 2015 11:47 AM (TOk1P)
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As I've said before-
We should use Trump as the knife in a game of mumbly-peg with the GOPe.
We should be driving him up in the polls and contributing enough to get some commercials on the air.
If we don't get what we want, the GOPe does get easy access to that great big piggy slop pile of graft and crony money in DC.
Frankly, if it is a three way tie, say between Jeb!, Rubio, and Trump-
by the time the primaries roll around to my state,
I'm voting for Trump and let the chips fall where they may.
We should use Trump as the knife in a game of mumbly-peg with the GOPe.
We should be driving him up in the polls and contributing enough to get some commercials on the air.
If we don't get what we want, the GOPe does get easy access to that great big piggy slop pile of graft and crony money in DC.
Frankly, if it is a three way tie, say between Jeb!, Rubio, and Trump-
by the time the primaries roll around to my state,
I'm voting for Trump and let the chips fall where they may.
Posted by: naturalfake at July 02, 2015 11:47 AM (KUa85)
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Acela is basically what Rush calls the country-club blue-bloods, no?
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at July 02, 2015 11:48 AM (Nj2wY)
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George E. Pataki GovernorPataki
Pataki Becomes First GOP Candidate to Denounce Trump's 'Divisive Rhetoric'
In a related story, George Pataki thinks he's a candidate? Is -- like -- someone playing a joke on him? Cause that's just mean.
George E. Pataki GovernorPataki
Pataki Becomes First GOP Candidate to Denounce Trump's 'Divisive Rhetoric'
In a related story, George Pataki thinks he's a candidate? Is -- like -- someone playing a joke on him? Cause that's just mean.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2015 11:48 AM (kdS6q)
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The last time we had a populisr blowhard speaking "common sense" wee ended up with the Clinton Crime Syndicate.
Posted by: #Chromosomes Matter! at July 02, 2015 11:48 AM (L402q)
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Posted by: Beanerschnitzel at July 02, 2015 11:43 AM (8d63Z)
I can empathize with you. Just ignore the fuckers. No reason to give up access to your large family, because the LIV's when twice. Get rid of the obnoxious one's and hold your nose on the others. Just my opinion
I can empathize with you. Just ignore the fuckers. No reason to give up access to your large family, because the LIV's when twice. Get rid of the obnoxious one's and hold your nose on the others. Just my opinion
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 02, 2015 11:48 AM (UnJ7w)
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I would vote for Huckabee over Trump, though it chokes me to say it.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 02, 2015 11:48 AM (evdj2)
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104 >>WTH is "Acela Republican".
The fact the writer of the article, Rick Wilson, won't ever explain it is another indication of his insider "I'm smarter than you" arrogance.
The fact the writer of the article, Rick Wilson, won't ever explain it is another indication of his insider "I'm smarter than you" arrogance.
Posted by: rrpjr at July 02, 2015 11:48 AM (s/yC1)
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Jeb Bush is as "appealing" as a bad cold sore or trench foot.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 02, 2015 11:48 AM (GGCsk)
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The economy added 223,000 jobs last month, lowering the unemployment rate to 5.3%. Face it, Hillary will win easily with the economic wins at her back. All conservatives offer is hate and war. Democrats offer jobs.
Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 11:48 AM (Q7dqX)
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>>>It's hard to keep up with his contradictions. <<<
This is how Barack Obama ended up with two terms.
This is how Barack Obama ended up with two terms.
Posted by: Fritz at July 02, 2015 11:48 AM (o/UmK)
Posted by: Bigby's Extra Hand at July 02, 2015 11:49 AM (3ZtZW)
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Conservatives helped deliver historic GOP wins last year in the House and gave the party the Senate back. What exactly do they have to show for it? An amnesty cave, more deficit spending and an Obama legacy building trade package that they aren't too sure about. Oh and soaring approval ratings for Obama now that he has vanquished the GOP "hostage takers".
Nothing different than what the VIchy GOP traitors have been doing since the Tea Party brought them back from the dead (dead because the Vichy GOP pushed aid and comfort for the illegal invasion in 2006-2007). That's why I didn't cast any votes for the GOP traitors in 2014 and will not be casting any votes for any of them in the future. They are lowlife, treasonous worms and the political death of the Vichy GOP (with associated excruciating pain for each of them as individuals) can't come soon enough.
Nothing different than what the VIchy GOP traitors have been doing since the Tea Party brought them back from the dead (dead because the Vichy GOP pushed aid and comfort for the illegal invasion in 2006-2007). That's why I didn't cast any votes for the GOP traitors in 2014 and will not be casting any votes for any of them in the future. They are lowlife, treasonous worms and the political death of the Vichy GOP (with associated excruciating pain for each of them as individuals) can't come soon enough.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 02, 2015 11:49 AM (MYSVz)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 11:49 AM (39g3+)
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Trump's "purple" popularity, crossing party lines, demonstrates that the Reagan coalition is still out there if anyone had the guts to run a populist campaign that openly disdained European values and embraced traditional American values.
Like UKIP, any nationalist/populist party here will be called racist, nativist, backward yahoos. Like UKIP, an American populist third party will need to police itself for outright racists and other disreputable barnacles attaching themselves to its coattails, but as a general rule, the louder the Uniparty and its shills boo and hiss, the closer we are to the right track.
Trump also points us in the right direction re: where to find leadership. Grow it from the grassroots and don't rely on career politicians. The idea that we should prefer "experience in government" should RIP now that all it produces are reliable apparatchiks for the one-party state and its totalitarian monoculture.
For a base, we need to look to those so disenchanted they don't vote as well as disenfranchised voters from the Dems and GOP, and for leaders we need to persuade businessmen, and other private sector professionals as well as pastors and priests to break the mold and take a chance. That means funding their campaigns and pledging to support their
businesses after they get slimed and blackballed by the establishment.
We need to look to forming our own marketplaces, which Beck among others
is making inroads toward.
The Christian community is a core consituency, and they're more than ever on the front lines. If the Left wants to rob churches of their tax exempt status, they may as well go all in for overt political activism and organize accordingly.
There's a vast sea of discontent from which we can forge a new Reagan coalition of patriots - working class Democrats, Christians, Conservatives, Libertarians, etc... When we find leaders who will actually represent us, we can make an impact. And I still think we need to vote with our feet and start assembling that coalition in friendly, politically-advantageous territory.
It may not have great odds, but for now, it beats moving to Alaska or going ex-pat entirely.
Like UKIP, any nationalist/populist party here will be called racist, nativist, backward yahoos. Like UKIP, an American populist third party will need to police itself for outright racists and other disreputable barnacles attaching themselves to its coattails, but as a general rule, the louder the Uniparty and its shills boo and hiss, the closer we are to the right track.
Trump also points us in the right direction re: where to find leadership. Grow it from the grassroots and don't rely on career politicians. The idea that we should prefer "experience in government" should RIP now that all it produces are reliable apparatchiks for the one-party state and its totalitarian monoculture.
For a base, we need to look to those so disenchanted they don't vote as well as disenfranchised voters from the Dems and GOP, and for leaders we need to persuade businessmen, and other private sector professionals as well as pastors and priests to break the mold and take a chance. That means funding their campaigns and pledging to support their
businesses after they get slimed and blackballed by the establishment.
We need to look to forming our own marketplaces, which Beck among others
is making inroads toward.
The Christian community is a core consituency, and they're more than ever on the front lines. If the Left wants to rob churches of their tax exempt status, they may as well go all in for overt political activism and organize accordingly.
There's a vast sea of discontent from which we can forge a new Reagan coalition of patriots - working class Democrats, Christians, Conservatives, Libertarians, etc... When we find leaders who will actually represent us, we can make an impact. And I still think we need to vote with our feet and start assembling that coalition in friendly, politically-advantageous territory.
It may not have great odds, but for now, it beats moving to Alaska or going ex-pat entirely.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 11:49 AM (WIOql)
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You think DD is like Hobby Lobby or something?
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 02, 2015 11:35 AM (XsOa7)
No, but they don't want to force bakers to make gay and polygamy cakes like starbucks.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 02, 2015 11:35 AM (XsOa7)
No, but they don't want to force bakers to make gay and polygamy cakes like starbucks.
Posted by: Draki at July 02, 2015 11:49 AM (udx6h)
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I haven't read all the comments but, has anyone noted that Average Joe sucks cock by choice yet?
Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at July 02, 2015 11:49 AM (evdj2)
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WHAT THE FUCK IS "Acela Republican". Guesses don't count.
I went and read through the SHIT at the federalist and there was no clue there except a couple of complaints in the comments about it.
I'm mostly done with the federalist anyway. Fucking wankers all.
I went and read through the SHIT at the federalist and there was no clue there except a couple of complaints in the comments about it.
I'm mostly done with the federalist anyway. Fucking wankers all.
Posted by: gh at July 02, 2015 11:49 AM (YlqSL)
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I guess it is supposed to mean Republicans that live in the DC/NY corridor. The Acela isa higher priced train that goes between the major NE cities and shaves a few minutes off the normal Amtrak train. It is mostly for lawyers.
Posted by: Benji Carver
That's correct! I was going to thank you all for supporting me and castigating COD back in 2010, but you then failed me in the primary, so I took of with a $4 million campaign chest.
But remember; You're the problem.
Posted by: Benji Carver
That's correct! I was going to thank you all for supporting me and castigating COD back in 2010, but you then failed me in the primary, so I took of with a $4 million campaign chest.
But remember; You're the problem.
Posted by: Mikey Castle , smartest man in Delaware at July 02, 2015 11:50 AM (Spluw)
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>>So why are so many Republican voters flirting with a crazy loudmouthed
liberal? I think it's mostly because of the 2nd thing...loudmouthed.<<
Yes. Good points, Drew. Trump has sounded off about illegal aliens and that has royally pissed off, among others, CNN. Even though Trumps remarks about illegals were off the cuff and sort of 'Ed Anger' type comments, he was able to give voice to something that has become verboten in the MSM-- any kind of criticism of illegals.
Some are criminals--drug dealers, some are rapists, he said and that pissed CNN off. CNN anchor Erin Burnett announced that all Trump had said was that illegals are drug dealers, period. No mention that he also tempered his comments with 'some are good people.' Burnett and CNN have slandered Trump. Tells me they are afraid of the guy, very afraid.
It's because he has big name recognition and many fans, despite the fact he's kind of a nitwit.
liberal? I think it's mostly because of the 2nd thing...loudmouthed.<<
Yes. Good points, Drew. Trump has sounded off about illegal aliens and that has royally pissed off, among others, CNN. Even though Trumps remarks about illegals were off the cuff and sort of 'Ed Anger' type comments, he was able to give voice to something that has become verboten in the MSM-- any kind of criticism of illegals.
Some are criminals--drug dealers, some are rapists, he said and that pissed CNN off. CNN anchor Erin Burnett announced that all Trump had said was that illegals are drug dealers, period. No mention that he also tempered his comments with 'some are good people.' Burnett and CNN have slandered Trump. Tells me they are afraid of the guy, very afraid.
It's because he has big name recognition and many fans, despite the fact he's kind of a nitwit.
Posted by: Sphynx at July 02, 2015 11:50 AM (OZmbA)
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Trump is a consummate populist, lots of red meat for the conservative base to love. And he's smarter than the rest of the milquetoast GOP combined for realizing that stances like strongly opposing illegal immigration IS red meat, when the GOP wants the base to go vegetarian.
Again, not my candidate. But I admire what he's trying to do. I don't see why the RINOs don't get that the MSM excoriating you, when it comes to the base, is a feature not a bug. But they will never learn, and thus will lose to an awkward pantsuit if they are not careful.
Again, not my candidate. But I admire what he's trying to do. I don't see why the RINOs don't get that the MSM excoriating you, when it comes to the base, is a feature not a bug. But they will never learn, and thus will lose to an awkward pantsuit if they are not careful.
Posted by: LizLem at July 02, 2015 11:50 AM (hvf9s)
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Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 11:50 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 11:50 AM (kff5f)
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Yes ... google also comes up with the train thing ...
Posted by: gh at July 02, 2015 11:50 AM (YlqSL)
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I'd vote for Trump too, out of sheer perverse spite. And also because I honestly believe he couldn't be any worse than the other grifters, mediocrities and used-car salesmen running, i.e., those we politely call "politicians."
Posted by: rrpjr at July 02, 2015 11:51 AM (s/yC1)
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Is this the Kos Kids? Oh, just Drew and his SJW winnings...
So what if Trymp is a "liberal"...is just one of the other Republicants
At least he has a business track record, states what most "average conservative" wishes the other GOP candidates state sincerely..the pussies are too busy worrying about offending the liberal voters, liberal corporations, lobbyist, consultants, DC insiders...
Again, given the final choice between Trump vs the D Reps, Hillary or Sanders as the extreme Leftist candidate, will gladly vote for Trump...
Until there emerges another Reagan, (Perry close to him), Trump is the only candidate who f*cking pisses off the Left, doesn't back down or apologize...
So what if Trymp is a "liberal"...is just one of the other Republicants
At least he has a business track record, states what most "average conservative" wishes the other GOP candidates state sincerely..the pussies are too busy worrying about offending the liberal voters, liberal corporations, lobbyist, consultants, DC insiders...
Again, given the final choice between Trump vs the D Reps, Hillary or Sanders as the extreme Leftist candidate, will gladly vote for Trump...
Until there emerges another Reagan, (Perry close to him), Trump is the only candidate who f*cking pisses off the Left, doesn't back down or apologize...
Posted by: Wings Dong at July 02, 2015 11:51 AM (SNqwm)
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I guess it is supposed to mean Republicans that live
in the DC/NY corridor. The Acela isa higher priced train that goes
between the major NE cities and shaves a few minutes off the normal
Amtrak train. It is mostly for lawyers.
Posted by: Benji Carver at July 02, 2015 11:47 AM (OD2ni)
Yeah, this came up once before. I had completely forgotten the term, but now that I am reminded, I must say what I did the last time it came up: If you are using the term "Acela Republican," you are revealing yourself to indeed, be one. Nobody who is not naval and anal gazing within that corridor thinks and speaks in those terms. Except its members.
So stop using the term "Acela Republicans," or the rest of us will fart in your general direction and taunt you a second time.
in the DC/NY corridor. The Acela isa higher priced train that goes
between the major NE cities and shaves a few minutes off the normal
Amtrak train. It is mostly for lawyers.
Posted by: Benji Carver at July 02, 2015 11:47 AM (OD2ni)
Yeah, this came up once before. I had completely forgotten the term, but now that I am reminded, I must say what I did the last time it came up: If you are using the term "Acela Republican," you are revealing yourself to indeed, be one. Nobody who is not naval and anal gazing within that corridor thinks and speaks in those terms. Except its members.
So stop using the term "Acela Republicans," or the rest of us will fart in your general direction and taunt you a second time.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 02, 2015 11:51 AM (TOk1P)
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Ace first described the term Acela Republican about a year and a half ago, yas moronz
Posted by: Bigby's Extra Hand at July 02, 2015 11:51 AM (3ZtZW)
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Hell, I'll vote for him...couldn't be any worse than the last 61/2 years.
Posted by: BignJames at July 02, 2015 11:52 AM (j7iSn)
140
All conservatives offer is hate and war. Democrats offer jobs.
Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 11:48 AM (Q7dqX)
Well, I guess Bill will be getting blowjobs in the White House again if his spouse wins.
Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 11:48 AM (Q7dqX)
Well, I guess Bill will be getting blowjobs in the White House again if his spouse wins.
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 02, 2015 11:52 AM (UnJ7w)
141
104
>>WTH is "Acela Republican".
My guess: Acela line runs from DC to Boston, so this refers to an
East Coast'ish (Brahmin, elite) GOP in mindset if not in actual origin.
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It is polite political code for "Mitt Romney Republicans". You know, the guys most Morons vote for under duress, if at all.
>>WTH is "Acela Republican".
My guess: Acela line runs from DC to Boston, so this refers to an
East Coast'ish (Brahmin, elite) GOP in mindset if not in actual origin.
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It is polite political code for "Mitt Romney Republicans". You know, the guys most Morons vote for under duress, if at all.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 02, 2015 11:52 AM (ry4ab)
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We should be driving him up in the polls and contributing enough to get some commercials on the air.
Trumps Hair is a multibillionaire who can easily fund his entire campaign by himself and then write it off on taxes.
Even if I could do it, sending him money makes no sense to me.
Trumps Hair is a multibillionaire who can easily fund his entire campaign by himself and then write it off on taxes.
Even if I could do it, sending him money makes no sense to me.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 02, 2015 11:52 AM (eEb+d)
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You think DD is like Hobby Lobby or something?
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 02, 2015 11:35 AM (XsOa7)
Supporting gay marriage is not a boycott offense to me, yet, but wanting to force others to make things, like you've argued before is slavery. I don't want muslim bakers to be forced to make gay cakes. I'll boycott businesses that publicly say muslims and christians should be forced to make gay cakes (Apple is one too).
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 02, 2015 11:35 AM (XsOa7)
Supporting gay marriage is not a boycott offense to me, yet, but wanting to force others to make things, like you've argued before is slavery. I don't want muslim bakers to be forced to make gay cakes. I'll boycott businesses that publicly say muslims and christians should be forced to make gay cakes (Apple is one too).
Posted by: Draki at July 02, 2015 11:52 AM (udx6h)
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True, Trump is vulnerable on account of his contradictions. Lefties will shove them in our face 24/7.
But if things get bad enough, and they will, I think most Americans would take him over Hillary! who is America's least favorite ex-wife.
But if things get bad enough, and they will, I think most Americans would take him over Hillary! who is America's least favorite ex-wife.
Posted by: Feh at July 02, 2015 11:52 AM (qIgAM)
Posted by: gh at July 02, 2015 11:52 AM (YlqSL)
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Shoot, I think Ace *coined* the term
Posted by: Bigby's Extra Hand at July 02, 2015 11:52 AM (3ZtZW)
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Hey. I'm an Areola Republican, or at least an areola fan.
Posted by: Sphynx at July 02, 2015 11:52 AM (OZmbA)
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i prefer truth to lies......with the donald.....at least i'm getting truth, albeit his truth......he's not lying to me.......and he's pissing off the establishment and i fucking hate the establishment
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 02, 2015 11:52 AM (0O7c5)
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I watched the Jindel interview last night. To put it politely I was not impressed. But, this was really my first look at him.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 02, 2015 11:53 AM (C278+)
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>>WTH is "Acela Republican".
"Acela Republicans play fantasy-league politics. If only the rest of my party was pro-spending, pro-abortion, pro-gun control, loathed these religious bumpkins and their backward sky god, embraced a carbon tax, read the Times each morning and wanted to level the economic playing field with a bulldozer then we'd start winning is the lament of Acela Republicans. "
Country club Republicans.
"Acela Republicans play fantasy-league politics. If only the rest of my party was pro-spending, pro-abortion, pro-gun control, loathed these religious bumpkins and their backward sky god, embraced a carbon tax, read the Times each morning and wanted to level the economic playing field with a bulldozer then we'd start winning is the lament of Acela Republicans. "
Country club Republicans.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 02, 2015 11:53 AM (MYSVz)
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@ 103 "How long has it been
since we had a candidate that really seemed to care?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 11:45 AM (39g3+"
Sarah Palin.
since we had a candidate that really seemed to care?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 11:45 AM (39g3+"
Sarah Palin.
Posted by: revolting peasant at July 02, 2015 11:53 AM (U+NZq)
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The Democratic Congress lost 2 million more jobs between 2007 and 2010 (8 Million) than the preceding Republican Congress created 2001-2006 (6 Million). I haven't checked but I will bet that holds the record for losses since the Great Depression.
Conversely, the Republican House has presided over an almost 10 Million job increase since 2011.
So combining the two figures, Republicans +16M jobs, Democrats -8M.
Impressive to say the least.
Conversely, the Republican House has presided over an almost 10 Million job increase since 2011.
So combining the two figures, Republicans +16M jobs, Democrats -8M.
Impressive to say the least.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at July 02, 2015 11:53 AM (evdj2)
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I don't think anyone really likes Trump or wants him in office for anything but a gag or a protest against the collapse of America. But when compared to the tepid response of the GOP candidates to the issues that matter most to us, he stands out in his rhetoric.
He doesn't mean a damn bit of it. But at least he's saying what they're too weak or cringing to. People find that appealing.
He doesn't mean a damn bit of it. But at least he's saying what they're too weak or cringing to. People find that appealing.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 11:54 AM (39g3+)
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So stop using the term "Acela Republicans," or the rest of us will fart in your general direction and taunt you a second time.
Posted by: BurtTC
I am in the NE corrider, I'm not one and I'llcontinue to use the term. It's apt.
Posted by: BurtTC
I am in the NE corrider, I'm not one and I'llcontinue to use the term. It's apt.
Posted by: Mikey Castle , smartest man in Delaware at July 02, 2015 11:54 AM (Spluw)
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I saw the Acela Republicans open for the Talking Heads in 1983.
Posted by: Sphynx at July 02, 2015 11:54 AM (OZmbA)
156
Yes ... google also comes up with the train thing ...
Posted by: gh
"Acela Republicans", with the quotes, you hapless google newb.
First page of hits is all political articles using the term.
Yes ... google also comes up with the train thing ...
Posted by: gh
"Acela Republicans", with the quotes, you hapless google newb.
First page of hits is all political articles using the term.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2015 11:54 AM (kdS6q)
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We are Morons, we are Boobeh-licans.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 11:54 AM (/8So2)
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****After typing this comment, I realized I should offer a bunker warning before you actually read it.****
hard conservatives (who value purity over winning anything, anywhere, ever)
Fuck you, Rick Wilson. Fuck. You.
As one of those "Hard Conservatives," I say it again: fuck you in the fucking fuck hole you motherfucking motherfucker.
"Hard Conservatives" have given up on purity time after motherfucking time you God-damned political whore. For all the GOPe whining, Mitt Romney got more votes than John McCain. No one. Sat. Home.
It is not the fault of "Hard Conservatives" that your mealy-mouthed, weasel-words, quasi-conservatism doesn't sell.
hard conservatives (who value purity over winning anything, anywhere, ever)
Fuck you, Rick Wilson. Fuck. You.
As one of those "Hard Conservatives," I say it again: fuck you in the fucking fuck hole you motherfucking motherfucker.
"Hard Conservatives" have given up on purity time after motherfucking time you God-damned political whore. For all the GOPe whining, Mitt Romney got more votes than John McCain. No one. Sat. Home.
It is not the fault of "Hard Conservatives" that your mealy-mouthed, weasel-words, quasi-conservatism doesn't sell.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 11:54 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Blue Hen at July 02, 2015 11:54 AM (Spluw)
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149 I watched the Jindel interview last night. To put it politely I was not impressed.
Unfortunately he's better on the page than in person.
Unfortunately he's better on the page than in person.
Posted by: rrpjr at July 02, 2015 11:54 AM (s/yC1)
Posted by: Wodeshed at July 02, 2015 11:54 AM (OeJe4)
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141 It is polite political code for "Mitt Romney Republicans". You know, the guys most Morons vote for under duress, if at all.
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Thank you ... it must originate somewhere though. For me it just appeared out of the blue this morning. I suppose it's some twitter thing.
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Thank you ... it must originate somewhere though. For me it just appeared out of the blue this morning. I suppose it's some twitter thing.
Posted by: gh at July 02, 2015 11:54 AM (YlqSL)
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I went and read through the SHIT at the federalist and there was no clue there except a couple of complaints in the comments about it.
So the author used the word "Acela", a word that would be familiar only to those living the Northeast, and expected everyone to know it. Hmmm...
So the author used the word "Acela", a word that would be familiar only to those living the Northeast, and expected everyone to know it. Hmmm...
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 02, 2015 11:54 AM (u07AL)
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As a lifelong Republican, I have always dreamed of an Olympia Snowe presidency.
Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at July 02, 2015 11:55 AM (Ui7Rt)
Posted by: rrpjr at July 02, 2015 11:55 AM (s/yC1)
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So stop using the term "Acela Republicans"
Posted by: BurtTC
Try and -- make me -- why don'tcha?.
Acela Republicans
So stop using the term "Acela Republicans"
Posted by: BurtTC
Try and -- make me -- why don'tcha?.
Acela Republicans
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2015 11:55 AM (kdS6q)
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You know what I want, I want a rat bastard on my side. If Trump is that rat bastard, he's got my vote.
Posted by: Ken at July 02, 2015 11:56 AM (LXJ1e)
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I think its a common problem for New Yorkers; they are so tuned into their area and common things there that they forget nobody else in he country lives in NYC.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 11:56 AM (39g3+)
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Oh hey
Rick mfkn Wilson coined the term back in January 2014 and it was reported -> Hot Air -> Here, of course.
So Rick Wilson is dogfooding his own meme
Rick mfkn Wilson coined the term back in January 2014 and it was reported -> Hot Air -> Here, of course.
So Rick Wilson is dogfooding his own meme
Posted by: Bigby's Extra Hand at July 02, 2015 11:56 AM (3ZtZW)
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Even if I could do it, sending him money makes no sense to me.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 02, 2015 11:52 AM (eEb+d)
I understand that, but-
it's not about giving money to Trump,
it's about giving the appearance of wide-spread support rather than some rich guy's vanity run.
And not a lot of money is involved -
a million $10 donations at this point in the game is far more
powerful than ten million dollar donations if you get my drift.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 02, 2015 11:52 AM (eEb+d)
I understand that, but-
it's not about giving money to Trump,
it's about giving the appearance of wide-spread support rather than some rich guy's vanity run.
And not a lot of money is involved -
a million $10 donations at this point in the game is far more
powerful than ten million dollar donations if you get my drift.
Posted by: naturalfake at July 02, 2015 11:57 AM (KUa85)
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151 you hapless google newb.
I was responsible for keeping the Open Text Index running for 9 months in 1997/8 ...
Thanks for the tip though.
I was responsible for keeping the Open Text Index running for 9 months in 1997/8 ...
Thanks for the tip though.
Posted by: gh at July 02, 2015 11:57 AM (YlqSL)
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It's an obsession around here before Ace posts. This fascination with flaming anyone on the GOP field because the polls are moving towards them.
Polls are up for Trump? Don't try to understand why people are flocking to him. Or perhaps how he can help the race or bring people to the polls. Flame him. "Oh, yes the rich retard, racist who was once a Democrat and now is a circus clown. "Did I mention he was a Democrat once and has liberal social views."
"Why yes, yes you did. About five times this week.
Ace at least leads with Granny Clinton and her latest law breaking, little people extravaganza. Not the warm up acts.
Polls are up for Trump? Don't try to understand why people are flocking to him. Or perhaps how he can help the race or bring people to the polls. Flame him. "Oh, yes the rich retard, racist who was once a Democrat and now is a circus clown. "Did I mention he was a Democrat once and has liberal social views."
"Why yes, yes you did. About five times this week.
Ace at least leads with Granny Clinton and her latest law breaking, little people extravaganza. Not the warm up acts.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 02, 2015 11:57 AM (GGCsk)
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Courtier Republicans
Posted by: Feh at July 02, 2015 11:57 AM (qIgAM)
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What else was Rubio supposed to say about a Supreme Court decision that can't be undone?! He said the Court's power was abused and it was done the wrong way. Is he just not yelling loud enough for you? He spoke of how now the time is to focus on religious liberty -- which is the important part of this now.
You want him to be like Cruz and say the sky is falling -- when SSM was inevitable anyway? Makes him look like Pat Robertson.
Any of you have kids voting age? This issue is lost and complaining about who lost it is stupid. My kids are as conservative as I can teach them to be (politically and religiously/Catholic) -- but not on SSM. They are very interested in Rubio -- who they see as conservative and proactively dealing with the future problems of SSM and protecting the Church -- while not fuming about SSM like some old ninnies.
You want him to be like Cruz and say the sky is falling -- when SSM was inevitable anyway? Makes him look like Pat Robertson.
Any of you have kids voting age? This issue is lost and complaining about who lost it is stupid. My kids are as conservative as I can teach them to be (politically and religiously/Catholic) -- but not on SSM. They are very interested in Rubio -- who they see as conservative and proactively dealing with the future problems of SSM and protecting the Church -- while not fuming about SSM like some old ninnies.
Posted by: PROUD RINO at July 02, 2015 11:57 AM (GtxgK)
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>>> Even though Trumps remarks about illegals were off the cuff and sort of 'Ed Anger' type comments
All I heard at first was that Trump hated Mexicans, then I listened in full to what he actually said. I found that I did not technically disagree with anything he had to say, but I would never, ever word such sentiments in that matter. He was talking like a brash IDGAF New Yorker, which is fine, that's who he is, but there is a way to say the same stuff with a little diplomacy. Add some Guiliani class to his schtick and he might just give dems a run for their money. Might.
It's not just the candidate with the best ideas, it is also the one that has great ideas and packages them well for mass consumption. If Trump wants to be a serious candidate he needs to dial down the brass but still keep that passion.
All I heard at first was that Trump hated Mexicans, then I listened in full to what he actually said. I found that I did not technically disagree with anything he had to say, but I would never, ever word such sentiments in that matter. He was talking like a brash IDGAF New Yorker, which is fine, that's who he is, but there is a way to say the same stuff with a little diplomacy. Add some Guiliani class to his schtick and he might just give dems a run for their money. Might.
It's not just the candidate with the best ideas, it is also the one that has great ideas and packages them well for mass consumption. If Trump wants to be a serious candidate he needs to dial down the brass but still keep that passion.
Posted by: LizLem at July 02, 2015 11:58 AM (hvf9s)
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I don't feel so good.
Posted by: Ebola Republican at July 02, 2015 11:58 AM (Ui7Rt)
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Acela is a hell of a lot easier to spell than megalopolis.
Posted by: Wodeshed
BosWash
There's an obscure reference for ya.
Acela is a hell of a lot easier to spell than megalopolis.
Posted by: Wodeshed
BosWash
There's an obscure reference for ya.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2015 11:58 AM (kdS6q)
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Macy cuts ties, saying they have " "no tolerance for discrimination in any form."
Sounds awfully discriminatory, don't it?
Sounds awfully discriminatory, don't it?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 02, 2015 11:58 AM (+2//H)
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The author could have used the term "country club Republicans" and everyone would have known what he meant. But no, that's not good enough, sohe tried to invent a new term "Acela Republican" to show how oh so clever and original he is. What a dick.
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 02, 2015 11:58 AM (u07AL)
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Republicans are good for the economy, equally as bad as the Democrats for liberty, so at least we get satin lined chains with the GOP.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at July 02, 2015 11:58 AM (evdj2)
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@106 "He might be a clown and people might have legitimate concerns. But the other candidates better get a little more of what he has, a little more je nais se quoi or they might as well quit now.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 02, 2015 11:46 AM (GGCsk)"
I think he's arrogant and wrong about a lot of stuff -- importantly and particularly about the role of the President in our Republic -- but I don;t think that he's a clown.
Neither do I do think that he is particularly trustworthy. But I doubt the honesty of them all.
Cruz or Jindal, if I actually get to choose.
But Trump is the only other candidate who at least doesn't mock me for seeing the obvious. That is a large part of his appeal.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 02, 2015 11:46 AM (GGCsk)"
I think he's arrogant and wrong about a lot of stuff -- importantly and particularly about the role of the President in our Republic -- but I don;t think that he's a clown.
Neither do I do think that he is particularly trustworthy. But I doubt the honesty of them all.
Cruz or Jindal, if I actually get to choose.
But Trump is the only other candidate who at least doesn't mock me for seeing the obvious. That is a large part of his appeal.
Posted by: revolting peasant at July 02, 2015 11:59 AM (vdKn0)
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@125
Hillary is crushing Trump in surveys. What purple appeal does he have? You are a lying propagandist.
Hillary is crushing Trump in surveys. What purple appeal does he have? You are a lying propagandist.
Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 11:59 AM (Q7dqX)
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151 ... those hits all come up without the quotes ... still don't see any page which obviously includes an explanation ... I guess I'll try wikipedia ... and then the urban dictionary ...
Posted by: gh at July 02, 2015 11:59 AM (YlqSL)
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120
The economy added 223,000 jobs last month, lowering the unemployment
rate to 5.3%. Face it, Hillary will win easily with the economic wins at
her back. All conservatives offer is hate and war. Democrats offer
jobs.
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What you mean, cave-troll, is that Democrats offer jobs to illegals and H-1B holders while offering welfare and EBT cards to citizens. As for war, we will have that within 3 years since Obummer is doing everything possible to convince ISIS, Iran, Russian and Chicoms we are feckless pussies who can't rescue an Ambassador from Libya, never mind defend our interests or those of our allies.
The economy added 223,000 jobs last month, lowering the unemployment
rate to 5.3%. Face it, Hillary will win easily with the economic wins at
her back. All conservatives offer is hate and war. Democrats offer
jobs.
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What you mean, cave-troll, is that Democrats offer jobs to illegals and H-1B holders while offering welfare and EBT cards to citizens. As for war, we will have that within 3 years since Obummer is doing everything possible to convince ISIS, Iran, Russian and Chicoms we are feckless pussies who can't rescue an Ambassador from Libya, never mind defend our interests or those of our allies.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 02, 2015 11:59 AM (ry4ab)
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>>I think its a common problem for New Yorkers; they are so tuned into their area and common things there that they forget nobody else in he country lives in NYC.
They believe NYC is the center of the universe. We flyover staters prefer they continue to do so that they don't get any funny ideas about visiting or moving to our state and ruining it.
They believe NYC is the center of the universe. We flyover staters prefer they continue to do so that they don't get any funny ideas about visiting or moving to our state and ruining it.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 02, 2015 11:59 AM (NOIQH)
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For all the GOPe whining, Mitt Romney got more votes than John McCain. No one. Sat. Home.
Yeah I get closer to punching someone in the face every time I hear the "social conservatives stayed home" lie about 2012. Romney got Reagan numbers of crossover votes. He got huge support from everyone, including Christian conservatives. The only place anyone can find that suggests otherwise is one exit poll - and everyone, everywhere knows those polls are complete trash.
Well except hardcore political junkies, apparently.
Yeah I get closer to punching someone in the face every time I hear the "social conservatives stayed home" lie about 2012. Romney got Reagan numbers of crossover votes. He got huge support from everyone, including Christian conservatives. The only place anyone can find that suggests otherwise is one exit poll - and everyone, everywhere knows those polls are complete trash.
Well except hardcore political junkies, apparently.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 11:59 AM (39g3+)
Posted by: Wodeshed at July 02, 2015 12:00 PM (OeJe4)
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Trump's appeal is easily explained: Supply and Demand.
Posted by: davidt at July 02, 2015 12:00 PM (yYOXd)
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Acela is more polite and compact than Euro-aping servant-thrashing pants-crease-fetishizing dog-leg-crooked status-whoring, pandering oleaginous Quisling shitweasels.
Now that I'm hip to it, it works for me.
Now that I'm hip to it, it works for me.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 12:00 PM (WIOql)
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The dumb thing is, Trump could be the GOP's Obama, in a sense.
Let's be honest, what percentage of Obama voters voted for him because they agreed with his positions? I'd posit the majority voted for him because he was cool, hip, historic, and everyone else was doing it.
It was an American Idol Presidency.
Sad to say but Trump could peel a lot of voters over in the same way. "Hey, I know that dude! He's on TV!"
Let's be honest, what percentage of Obama voters voted for him because they agreed with his positions? I'd posit the majority voted for him because he was cool, hip, historic, and everyone else was doing it.
It was an American Idol Presidency.
Sad to say but Trump could peel a lot of voters over in the same way. "Hey, I know that dude! He's on TV!"
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at July 02, 2015 12:01 PM (Nj2wY)
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169 ... thanks ... don't remember it from hot gas but I don't remember things from last week any more ...
Posted by: gh at July 02, 2015 12:01 PM (YlqSL)
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Btw, did I mention Donald Trump was a Democrat once and has liberal social views?
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 02, 2015 12:01 PM (UnJ7w)
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Hillary is crushing Trump in surveys.
Even if true, it's moot. Neither will be the nominee of their respective parties.
It's Jim Web vs Scott Walker in the finals.
Even if true, it's moot. Neither will be the nominee of their respective parties.
It's Jim Web vs Scott Walker in the finals.
Posted by: Grump928(c) predicts at July 02, 2015 12:01 PM (evdj2)
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And not a lot of money is involved -
I wonder why Trump doesn't start flooding the media with ads anyway, to give the impression of widespread support
like David AxelTurd did in Chicago. The term used was called "astroturfing" or something like that, even though the end result was more like "astrogliding" than anything resembling legitimate politics.
I wonder why Trump doesn't start flooding the media with ads anyway, to give the impression of widespread support
like David AxelTurd did in Chicago. The term used was called "astroturfing" or something like that, even though the end result was more like "astrogliding" than anything resembling legitimate politics.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 02, 2015 12:01 PM (eEb+d)
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Drew used to warn about Rand Paul by saying something like "It's like watching a guy running around with a live grenade in his hand."
Watching Trump run is like watching a guy drive around in an F1 car made of fulminate of mercury.
Watching Trump run is like watching a guy drive around in an F1 car made of fulminate of mercury.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 02, 2015 12:02 PM (fYgrm)
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"My kids are as conservative as I can teach them to be..."
Posted by: PROUD RINO at July 02, 2015 11:57 AM (GtxgK)
Well there you go, Proud Rino.
And Rubio is a fuc*ing weasel who will sell you out to the likes of Chuck Schumer because he values the "working partnership with those across the aisle" more than he does your kids' future.
Posted by: PROUD RINO at July 02, 2015 11:57 AM (GtxgK)
Well there you go, Proud Rino.
And Rubio is a fuc*ing weasel who will sell you out to the likes of Chuck Schumer because he values the "working partnership with those across the aisle" more than he does your kids' future.
Posted by: rrpjr at July 02, 2015 12:02 PM (s/yC1)
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@175
You are a conservative, of course you hate Mexicans. You have been brainwashed into hating them due to Fox News, talk radio and websites like this. Its OK, don't cry when the GOP losses in 2016.
You are a conservative, of course you hate Mexicans. You have been brainwashed into hating them due to Fox News, talk radio and websites like this. Its OK, don't cry when the GOP losses in 2016.
Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 12:02 PM (Q7dqX)
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So, the Tunisian terrorist was all coked up and had lots of help.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 02, 2015 12:02 PM (iQIUe)
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The thing about Trump that I think is getting him traction is that he seems to have fight. Something Republicans haven't seen in a candidate in a long, long time.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 02, 2015 12:02 PM (C278+)
Posted by: Leprosy Republican trying to put their nose back on at July 02, 2015 12:02 PM (hvf9s)
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but I don't remember things from last week any more...
Posted by: gh
It's a three day weekend. Clock out early to beat the traffic and call it a week.
but I don't remember things from last week any more...
Posted by: gh
It's a three day weekend. Clock out early to beat the traffic and call it a week.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2015 12:02 PM (kdS6q)
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I don't think Trump's a clown at all. I'll take him in a NY minute.
Posted by: Bigby's Extra Hand at July 02, 2015 12:03 PM (3ZtZW)
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The Question is, Drewm, why do you need to trash Trump?
What do you gain by putting down a citizen-candidate who is speaking Truth on many important issues??
The Question is, Drewm, why do you need to trash Trump?
What do you gain by putting down a citizen-candidate who is speaking Truth on many important issues??
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 02, 2015 12:03 PM (5qyjP)
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You are a lying propagandist.
Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 11:59 AM (Q7dqX)
HEY!
Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 11:59 AM (Q7dqX)
HEY!
Posted by: Barack Obama at July 02, 2015 12:03 PM (UnJ7w)
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the GOPe is reaping what it sowed...
F them, sideways, with a tanker's bar, wrapped with 3 coils of concertina wire and dipped in a full honey bucket for lube.
F them, sideways, with a tanker's bar, wrapped with 3 coils of concertina wire and dipped in a full honey bucket for lube.
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 02, 2015 12:03 PM (7vjeC)
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Btw, did I mention Donald Trump was a Democrat once and has liberal social views?
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 02, 2015 12:01 PM (UnJ7w)
Which makes him a wonderful Burn it Down candidate.
Honestly, though, if I take Trump seriously for a moment, I'm forced to ask about what he believes about the role of government. He can be as socially liberal as he wants, as long as he *also* believes in properly restrained government.
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 02, 2015 12:01 PM (UnJ7w)
Which makes him a wonderful Burn it Down candidate.
Honestly, though, if I take Trump seriously for a moment, I'm forced to ask about what he believes about the role of government. He can be as socially liberal as he wants, as long as he *also* believes in properly restrained government.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 12:03 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2015 12:03 PM (kdS6q)
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I don't feel so good.
Posted by: Ebola Republican at July 02, 2015 11:58 AM (Ui7Rt)
Same here.
Posted by: Leprosy Republican
Sorry fellas.
Posted by: Ebola Republican at July 02, 2015 11:58 AM (Ui7Rt)
Same here.
Posted by: Leprosy Republican
Sorry fellas.
Posted by: West African Armadillo-Republican at July 02, 2015 12:03 PM (OeJe4)
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Watching Trump run is like watching a guy drive around in an F1 car made of fulminate of mercury.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 02, 2015 12:02 PM (fYgrm)
LOL, might be how he lost his hair. Would you go with trump before rubio and bush like me? (right now)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 02, 2015 12:02 PM (fYgrm)
LOL, might be how he lost his hair. Would you go with trump before rubio and bush like me? (right now)
Posted by: Draki at July 02, 2015 12:04 PM (udx6h)
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"Even though Trumps remarks about illegals were off the cuff and sort of 'Ed Anger' type comments"
I'm pig-biting mad at your commnet.
"Even though Trumps remarks about illegals were off the cuff and sort of 'Ed Anger' type comments"
I'm pig-biting mad at your commnet.
Posted by: Ed Anger at July 02, 2015 12:04 PM (OD2ni)
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Troll seems weaker than usual. Get mom to check that basement for mold or radon accumulation.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 12:04 PM (WIOql)
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I mean, we have a terrorist in the White House now and Im suppsed to be worried about Trump "loudmouth"??
I mean, we have a terrorist in the White House now and Im suppsed to be worried about Trump "loudmouth"??
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 02, 2015 12:04 PM (5qyjP)
Posted by: Bigby's Extra Hand at July 02, 2015 12:04 PM (3ZtZW)
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It's a cruel summer.
Posted by: Bananarama Republican at July 02, 2015 12:04 PM (Ui7Rt)
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I like listening to Trump because he feels like he is telling it the way that he see's that it is.
Oh and yes, a few years back Trump was a big Hillary guy so your just getting a rich NE, liberal, hot air bag rambling off a laundry list of this and that.
Now that being said, do I find myself to be traitor to the R party for actually liking what this NE, liberal blowhard has to say over the other gutless wonders in the R party?
No, I know longer care enough to give a damn.
Oh and yes, a few years back Trump was a big Hillary guy so your just getting a rich NE, liberal, hot air bag rambling off a laundry list of this and that.
Now that being said, do I find myself to be traitor to the R party for actually liking what this NE, liberal blowhard has to say over the other gutless wonders in the R party?
No, I know longer care enough to give a damn.
Posted by: Drider at July 02, 2015 12:04 PM (DNFK1)
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People on the right are mad but also scared about what's happening to this country.They want to know that a candidate shares those feelings, that they "get it". If the GOP won't offer that candidate, it shouldn't be surprising that when one comes along who at least seems to "get it", people are intrigued by him.
A-fucking-men.
And if you see Trump start going after the MFM - I mean really going after them, calling them out for the dishonest, kneepad-wearing, Scankles-felching hacks that they are - his approval will skyrocket beyond anything you see now.
People are mad. They want heads on a pike. And they see The Donald as the man to do it.
A-fucking-men.
And if you see Trump start going after the MFM - I mean really going after them, calling them out for the dishonest, kneepad-wearing, Scankles-felching hacks that they are - his approval will skyrocket beyond anything you see now.
People are mad. They want heads on a pike. And they see The Donald as the man to do it.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 02, 2015 12:04 PM (zF6Iw)
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"Fox 1"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2015 12:03 PM (kdS6q)
Is there a way to hide his posts? I think I remember someone saying something similar.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2015 12:03 PM (kdS6q)
Is there a way to hide his posts? I think I remember someone saying something similar.
Posted by: Draki at July 02, 2015 12:05 PM (udx6h)
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Hector spotted.
"Fox 1"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2015 12:03 PM (kdS6q)
**********
Roger that. Third Billy Goat Gruff, do you copy?
"Fox 1"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2015 12:03 PM (kdS6q)
**********
Roger that. Third Billy Goat Gruff, do you copy?
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at July 02, 2015 12:05 PM (vgIRn)
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Btw, did I mention Donald Trump was a Democrat once and has liberal social views?
Yeah but you didn't mention his huge donations to Hillary Clinton over the years, his love affair with Kelo vs New London decision, and his massive crony capitalism.
Yeah but you didn't mention his huge donations to Hillary Clinton over the years, his love affair with Kelo vs New London decision, and his massive crony capitalism.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 12:05 PM (39g3+)
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I haven't read anything except the content. (I know, I know).
Drew's balls-on accurate here. I WANT to see a candidate pissed off about the constitutional processes we 'cling' to being overridden, abdicated and ignored. I WANT to hear a candidate who's able to state that ideals and values (and other abstract ideas like 'freedom) still matter. I WANT to see an individual stand up, look the beast in the eye and say 'No. Not one step further.'
Hell, quote Reagan.
"There is a price we will not pay. There is a point beyond they must not advance."
"If we look to the answer as to why so many years, we achieved so much, prospered as no other nation on Earth, it was because here in this land we unleashed the energy and individual genius of man to a greater extent than has ever been done before."
"Peace is the highest aspiration of the American people. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will not surrender for it now or ever. We are Americans."
http://tinyurl.com/kpus88l
Drew's balls-on accurate here. I WANT to see a candidate pissed off about the constitutional processes we 'cling' to being overridden, abdicated and ignored. I WANT to hear a candidate who's able to state that ideals and values (and other abstract ideas like 'freedom) still matter. I WANT to see an individual stand up, look the beast in the eye and say 'No. Not one step further.'
Hell, quote Reagan.
"There is a price we will not pay. There is a point beyond they must not advance."
"If we look to the answer as to why so many years, we achieved so much, prospered as no other nation on Earth, it was because here in this land we unleashed the energy and individual genius of man to a greater extent than has ever been done before."
"Peace is the highest aspiration of the American people. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will not surrender for it now or ever. We are Americans."
http://tinyurl.com/kpus88l
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 12:05 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2015 12:05 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Grump928(c) predicts at July 02, 2015 12:06 PM (evdj2)
223
131
Trump is a consummate populist, lots of red meat for the conservative
base to love. And he's smarter than the rest of the milquetoast GOP
combined for realizing that stances like strongly opposing illegal
immigration IS red meat, when the GOP wants the base to go vegetarian.
Again, not my candidate. But I admire what he's trying to do. I
don't see why the RINOs don't get that the MSM excoriating you, when it
comes to the base, is a feature not a bug. But they will never learn,
and thus will lose to an awkward pantsuit if they are not careful.
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That sums up Trump's appeal quite nicely. He is a fighter, speaks his mind, and offends all the right people. The GOP is trying to be nice, while Trump reminds them that the nice guys rarely win. Be tough, be on target, tell the voters what they want/need to hear, is that so hard for the RNC to understand?
Trump is a consummate populist, lots of red meat for the conservative
base to love. And he's smarter than the rest of the milquetoast GOP
combined for realizing that stances like strongly opposing illegal
immigration IS red meat, when the GOP wants the base to go vegetarian.
Again, not my candidate. But I admire what he's trying to do. I
don't see why the RINOs don't get that the MSM excoriating you, when it
comes to the base, is a feature not a bug. But they will never learn,
and thus will lose to an awkward pantsuit if they are not careful.
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That sums up Trump's appeal quite nicely. He is a fighter, speaks his mind, and offends all the right people. The GOP is trying to be nice, while Trump reminds them that the nice guys rarely win. Be tough, be on target, tell the voters what they want/need to hear, is that so hard for the RNC to understand?
Posted by: exdem13 at July 02, 2015 12:06 PM (ry4ab)
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You are a conservative, of course you hate Mexicans. You have been brainwashed into hating them due to Fox News, talk radio and websites like this. Its OK, don't cry when the GOP losses in 2016.
Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 12:02 PM (Q7dqX)
You roll up your turds into little balls and eat crayons.
Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 12:02 PM (Q7dqX)
You roll up your turds into little balls and eat crayons.
Posted by: Ron White at July 02, 2015 12:06 PM (UnJ7w)
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I'm not so sure what is appealing about this field, as deep as it may be. Some candidates, like Jeb, Christie, Santorum, Huckabee, etc., are nothing but statists of a stripe that blurs the line between them and Democrats. Some of the ones I am more inclined to like such as Paul and Cruz nevertheless have some huge holes, such as Paul's being pro-illegal immigration and scary foreign policiy, and Cruz's selective federalism on issues like marijuana legalization. Far too many Republicans in this field are of the all inervention all the time foreign policy school. Guys like Trump, Carson, Lindsey Graham, and John Kasich are total non-starters.
Damn, this field is pretty depressing when you think about how many there are.
Damn, this field is pretty depressing when you think about how many there are.
Posted by: thirteen28 at July 02, 2015 12:06 PM (ILfVM)
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Is there a way to hide his posts? I think I remember someone saying something similar.
Firefox (or Pale Moon) + GreaseMonkey + Ignore_User script = no more Hector.
Firefox (or Pale Moon) + GreaseMonkey + Ignore_User script = no more Hector.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 12:06 PM (kff5f)
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>>197
@175
You are a conservative, of course you hate Mexicans. You have been
brainwashed into hating them due to Fox News, talk radio and websites
like this. Its OK, don't cry when the GOP losses in 2016.
Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 12:02 PM (Q7dqX)<<
I'm a libertarianish conservative and I am related to more Mexicans than you've ever seen. ". . . due to Fox News, talk radio and websites like this."
@175
You are a conservative, of course you hate Mexicans. You have been
brainwashed into hating them due to Fox News, talk radio and websites
like this. Its OK, don't cry when the GOP losses in 2016.
Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 12:02 PM (Q7dqX)<<
I'm a libertarianish conservative and I am related to more Mexicans than you've ever seen. ". . . due to Fox News, talk radio and websites like this."
Posted by: Sphynx at July 02, 2015 12:06 PM (OZmbA)
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OK lunch
Posted by: Bigby's Extra Hand at July 02, 2015 12:07 PM (3ZtZW)
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208 I don't feel so good.
Posted by: Ebola Republican at July 02, 2015 11:58 AM (Ui7Rt)
Same here.
Posted by: Leprosy Republican
Sorry fellas.
Posted by: West African Armadillo-Republican at July 02, 2015 12:03 PM (OeJe4)
Amateurs.
Posted by: Ebola Republican at July 02, 2015 11:58 AM (Ui7Rt)
Same here.
Posted by: Leprosy Republican
Sorry fellas.
Posted by: West African Armadillo-Republican at July 02, 2015 12:03 PM (OeJe4)
Amateurs.
Posted by: Dengue Republican at July 02, 2015 12:07 PM (u07AL)
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When you think of Acela Republicand, think of a train car full of David Brooks.
Posted by: Benji Carver at July 02, 2015 12:07 PM (OD2ni)
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Scully 1, come in.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 02, 2015 12:07 PM (eEb+d)
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Since I refuse to vote for any GOP candidate if they run another milqtoast liberal establishment candidate, Trump might as well stay in. Pretty simple, if Jeb, Marco, Bobby (anybody who thinks it's okay to make it illegal to use cash at a garage sale so big brother can keep an eye on you is a Marxist at heart), Christie or the constitutionally challenged Cruz get the nomination - I stay home.
Bring on all the non-establishment candidates so that I have some hope. And by God they have to follow the damn Constitution, exactly as written.
Bring on all the non-establishment candidates so that I have some hope. And by God they have to follow the damn Constitution, exactly as written.
Posted by: doug at July 02, 2015 12:08 PM (IYEs/)
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"And if you see Trump start going after the MFM - I mean really going after them, calling them out for the dishonest, kneepad-wearing, Scankles-felching hacks that they are - his approval will skyrocket beyond anything you see now. "
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 02, 2015 12:04 PM (zF6Iw)
Yup. This is true for any of the candidates. Newt won the SC primary in 2012 -- stomping Romney -- on the heels of his blistering attacks on Scott Pelley of CBS. But Newt didn't really get it, or couldn't follow through. Do any of them get it?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 02, 2015 12:04 PM (zF6Iw)
Yup. This is true for any of the candidates. Newt won the SC primary in 2012 -- stomping Romney -- on the heels of his blistering attacks on Scott Pelley of CBS. But Newt didn't really get it, or couldn't follow through. Do any of them get it?
Posted by: rrpjr at July 02, 2015 12:08 PM (s/yC1)
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think of a train car full of David Brooks.
I could be convinced to put David Brooks on the trains.
I could be convinced to put David Brooks on the trains.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 12:08 PM (kff5f)
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Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 12:02 PM (Q7dqX)
Troll or sock? I can't tell. But yes, tell the Ette that lives in a state with a huge Mexican population and counts many of them as dear friends that she hates Mexicans. Way to be a winner, there.
Troll or sock? I can't tell. But yes, tell the Ette that lives in a state with a huge Mexican population and counts many of them as dear friends that she hates Mexicans. Way to be a winner, there.
Posted by: LizLem at July 02, 2015 12:08 PM (hvf9s)
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People are mad. They want heads on a pike.
I think the left seriously underestimates this. Severely. I think they are so dazzled with rainbows right now they are clueless to the barely-restrained rage in this country. God help us if this takes to the streets, because next time it won't be peaceful tricorn hats and gadsden flags.
I think the left seriously underestimates this. Severely. I think they are so dazzled with rainbows right now they are clueless to the barely-restrained rage in this country. God help us if this takes to the streets, because next time it won't be peaceful tricorn hats and gadsden flags.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 12:09 PM (39g3+)
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Come give me a hug.
Posted by: Anaconda Republican at July 02, 2015 12:09 PM (Ui7Rt)
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Trump 2016: He's Never Eaten a Dog
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2015 12:05 PM (kdS6q)
LOL, we'd have to use a Bernie Sanders of Hillary reference, like doesn't fantasize about raping women or something....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2015 12:05 PM (kdS6q)
LOL, we'd have to use a Bernie Sanders of Hillary reference, like doesn't fantasize about raping women or something....
Posted by: Draki at July 02, 2015 12:09 PM (udx6h)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 12:09 PM (kff5f)
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You know what I want, I want a rat bastard on my side. If Trump is that rat bastard, he's got my vote.
Posted by: Ken at July 02, 2015 11:56 AM (LXJ1e)
I don't for one second consider Trump to be 'on my side'. That's my problem with trump.
He is getting numbers because 1. name recognition, and 2. Dem Media covering him because he's bombastic.
Where are the other candidates? What are they saying? How would we even know if no one covers them. Like Perry. Aside from griping about people's looks when he announced, nobody has mentioned him.
I am so irritated with this election. It's too early anyway.
Posted by: Ken at July 02, 2015 11:56 AM (LXJ1e)
I don't for one second consider Trump to be 'on my side'. That's my problem with trump.
He is getting numbers because 1. name recognition, and 2. Dem Media covering him because he's bombastic.
Where are the other candidates? What are they saying? How would we even know if no one covers them. Like Perry. Aside from griping about people's looks when he announced, nobody has mentioned him.
I am so irritated with this election. It's too early anyway.
Posted by: Lea at July 02, 2015 12:09 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 02, 2015 12:09 PM (fYgrm)
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According to Amtrak, Acela is the combination of the words acceleration, and excellence. Well, I'll give them, and the GOP, the acceleration part. It looks that accident a while back.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at July 02, 2015 12:10 PM (9Y7bY)
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I'd vote for Trump just to here him say "your fired" to barack obama, after he's sworn in.
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 02, 2015 12:10 PM (UnJ7w)
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I'd vote for Trump just to here him say "your fired" to barack obama, after he's sworn in.
In his acceptance speech after the returns are in.
In his acceptance speech after the returns are in.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 12:11 PM (kff5f)
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Firefox (or Pale Moon) + GreaseMonkey + Ignore_User script = no more Hector.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 12:06 PM (kff5f)
Nice, googling grease monkey....
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 12:06 PM (kff5f)
Nice, googling grease monkey....
Posted by: Draki at July 02, 2015 12:11 PM (udx6h)
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Hey Washington Nearsider, Zactomodels corrects the intakes for the 1/32d Trumpeter F-14 Tomcat.
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Rev8/7701-7800/rev7796- Zactomodels-F-14-Intakes/00.shtm
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Rev8/7701-7800/rev7796- Zactomodels-F-14-Intakes/00.shtm
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 12:11 PM (/8So2)
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@193
Webb is going nowhere and walker is a KKK klown. Hillary will be the next President. If it is not her then Biden will win.
Webb is going nowhere and walker is a KKK klown. Hillary will be the next President. If it is not her then Biden will win.
Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 12:11 PM (Q7dqX)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 02, 2015 12:11 PM (eEb+d)
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I had a daydream today that a shark ate obama. A patriotic shark.
I had a daydream today that a shark ate obama. A patriotic shark.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 02, 2015 12:12 PM (5qyjP)
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January 4th 2007: The day Pelosi became Speaker of the Democratically controlled 110th Congress
National unemployment rate for December 2006: 4.5%
2006 Federal Budget Deficit: $247.7 billion
Average GDP growth for 2006: 3.4%
It only took two years of Democratic rule to destroy the economy.
Republicans: In the Business of Business.
Democrats: All up in the Business of Business
National unemployment rate for December 2006: 4.5%
2006 Federal Budget Deficit: $247.7 billion
Average GDP growth for 2006: 3.4%
It only took two years of Democratic rule to destroy the economy.
Republicans: In the Business of Business.
Democrats: All up in the Business of Business
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at July 02, 2015 12:12 PM (evdj2)
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@98
If I had to choose right now, I would just collapse on my face, like Sadness in Inside Out, and let people drag me around, because I don't want to adult anymore.
If I had to choose right now, I would just collapse on my face, like Sadness in Inside Out, and let people drag me around, because I don't want to adult anymore.
Posted by: TickledPink at July 02, 2015 12:12 PM (RLFFI)
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88
Posted by: Monkeytoe at July 02, 2015 11:37 AM (3ZtZW)
tl;dr
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 02, 2015 11:42 AM (UnJ7w)
That a non-conservative republican is too stupid to be able to read a few paragraphs does not surprise me. It is par for the course. Keep voting GOP. You will definitely get different results this time.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at July 02, 2015 11:37 AM (3ZtZW)
tl;dr
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 02, 2015 11:42 AM (UnJ7w)
That a non-conservative republican is too stupid to be able to read a few paragraphs does not surprise me. It is par for the course. Keep voting GOP. You will definitely get different results this time.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at July 02, 2015 12:12 PM (3ZtZW)
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In his acceptance speech after the returns are in.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 12:11 PM (kff5f)
It'd be nice, but the bigger FU will be killing obama care, which I already a half dead ghoul without the employer mandate.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 12:11 PM (kff5f)
It'd be nice, but the bigger FU will be killing obama care, which I already a half dead ghoul without the employer mandate.
Posted by: Draki at July 02, 2015 12:12 PM (udx6h)
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Trump 2016: He's Never Eaten a Dog
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2015 12:05 PM (kdS6q)
Trump 2016: He can actually send a fax!
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2015 12:05 PM (kdS6q)
Trump 2016: He can actually send a fax!
Posted by: LizLem at July 02, 2015 12:12 PM (hvf9s)
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175
All I heard at first was that Trump hated Mexicans, then I listened
in full to what he actually said. I found that I did not technically
disagree with anything he had to say, but I would never, ever word such
sentiments in that matter. He was talking like a brash IDGAF New Yorker,
which is fine, that's who he is, but there is a way to say the same
stuff with a little diplomacy. Add some Guiliani class to his schtick
and he might just give dems a run for their money. Might.
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There is a lot of IDGAF anger out here in flyover country, lizlem. Trump's remarks were welcomed in Red State areas precisely because he did not dial it down. Sure, he could smooth it a bit, but the worry about crafting inoffensive PR statements has given us the current crop of GOP runners who weasel-word everything into inoffensive drivel. You will notice that the Left has no trouble with tough talk when it scores them political points. Why shouldn't Trump or another candidate not do the same?
All I heard at first was that Trump hated Mexicans, then I listened
in full to what he actually said. I found that I did not technically
disagree with anything he had to say, but I would never, ever word such
sentiments in that matter. He was talking like a brash IDGAF New Yorker,
which is fine, that's who he is, but there is a way to say the same
stuff with a little diplomacy. Add some Guiliani class to his schtick
and he might just give dems a run for their money. Might.
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There is a lot of IDGAF anger out here in flyover country, lizlem. Trump's remarks were welcomed in Red State areas precisely because he did not dial it down. Sure, he could smooth it a bit, but the worry about crafting inoffensive PR statements has given us the current crop of GOP runners who weasel-word everything into inoffensive drivel. You will notice that the Left has no trouble with tough talk when it scores them political points. Why shouldn't Trump or another candidate not do the same?
Posted by: exdem13 at July 02, 2015 12:12 PM (ry4ab)
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Do we really trust the polls?
How do we know these are Dems responding this way and skewing the polls?
Yes, Republicans, Independents, and all the rest are fed up, and yes, there may be some rooting for Trump, but I do not trust polls anymore. Especially this early.
That is why the Fox debate requirements were so Dumb Dumb Dumb.
Do we really trust the polls?
How do we know these are Dems responding this way and skewing the polls?
Yes, Republicans, Independents, and all the rest are fed up, and yes, there may be some rooting for Trump, but I do not trust polls anymore. Especially this early.
That is why the Fox debate requirements were so Dumb Dumb Dumb.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 02, 2015 12:12 PM (qCMvj)
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In Donald Trump's America serbians will have to pay for wi-fi at McDonald's. Hector will be silenced.
Posted by: se pa moron at July 02, 2015 12:12 PM (xQX/f)
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If it is not her then Biden will win.
Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 12:11 PM (Q7dqX)
Ok, NOW you're trolling.
Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 12:11 PM (Q7dqX)
Ok, NOW you're trolling.
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 02, 2015 12:13 PM (UnJ7w)
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If I had to choose right now, I would just collapse on my face, like Sadness in Inside Out, and let people drag me around, because I don't want to adult anymore.
All of this.
All of this.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 12:13 PM (kff5f)
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Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 12:11 PM (/8So2)
That's precisely the parts I've been working with. GIANT pain in the ass.
The last step in the instructions is literally 'now go get a cold beer.'
That's precisely the parts I've been working with. GIANT pain in the ass.
The last step in the instructions is literally 'now go get a cold beer.'
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 12:13 PM (fwARV)
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But yes, tell the Ette that lives in a state with a huge Mexican population and counts many of them as dear friends that she hates Mexicans.
Yeah, such nonsense. I thought I had dinner with a friend sunday night, but I guess that was just a fever dream...
Yeah, such nonsense. I thought I had dinner with a friend sunday night, but I guess that was just a fever dream...
Posted by: Lea at July 02, 2015 12:13 PM (lIU4e)
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@236
The only people angry are you hard right losers. The rest of the country despises your evil ilk.
The only people angry are you hard right losers. The rest of the country despises your evil ilk.
Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 12:13 PM (Q7dqX)
Posted by: jwe$t at July 02, 2015 12:13 PM (ZtFr+)
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Yeah, everyone *says* how "mad" conservatives are, but when it comes down to it, they'll bend over and get dorked up the squeakhole by the GOPe-picked nominee, just like they always do.
Jeb Bush leads in the polls. That's right. Jeb. Effing. Bush. Mr. GOPe
himself.
It's absolutely maddening.
Jeb Bush leads in the polls. That's right. Jeb. Effing. Bush. Mr. GOPe
himself.
It's absolutely maddening.
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 02, 2015 12:14 PM (u07AL)
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Trump would be just as bad as a Obama for not taking any responsibility for any screw ups. It would always be someone else's fault. Anyway people are on the Trump bandwagon now just like they were on the Chris Christie bandwagon when he was punching the unions in the gut.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 02, 2015 12:14 PM (Q4pU/)
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 02, 2015 12:14 PM (UnJ7w)
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I'm not so sure what is appealing about this field, as deep as it may be. Some candidates, like Jeb, Christie, Santorum, Huckabee, etc., are nothing but statists of a stripe that blurs the line...
And the worst of them suck exponentially less than the best Democrat candidate.
I get you: they have serious flaws and aren't what we're hoping for. And personally I believe it doesn't matter one bit who wins, because we passed the point of no return years ago. But these guys are a hell of a lot better than you're giving them credit for.
I mean... I am a very strong social conservative and will not compromise on my principles personally but I do get the frustration of more RINO-leaning folks here with us. We'll throw a fit and refuse to vote ever for a guy who has one flaw.
Guess what: Ronald Reagan sucked on social issues. He did nothing to fight abortion, he repeatedly signed spending increases and even a few tax hikes. He was not a pure icon. But he was way better than the alternative and even his flawed self managed great things.
And the worst of them suck exponentially less than the best Democrat candidate.
I get you: they have serious flaws and aren't what we're hoping for. And personally I believe it doesn't matter one bit who wins, because we passed the point of no return years ago. But these guys are a hell of a lot better than you're giving them credit for.
I mean... I am a very strong social conservative and will not compromise on my principles personally but I do get the frustration of more RINO-leaning folks here with us. We'll throw a fit and refuse to vote ever for a guy who has one flaw.
Guess what: Ronald Reagan sucked on social issues. He did nothing to fight abortion, he repeatedly signed spending increases and even a few tax hikes. He was not a pure icon. But he was way better than the alternative and even his flawed self managed great things.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 12:14 PM (39g3+)
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I have said for years now that it will be the GOP who gives us amnesty, who gives us more unfettered spending, who will protect socialist healthcare and it will be the GOP who will ultimately give us freedom killing gun restrictions.
As the dems moved to be far leftists, the GOP moved well left of center. The country is not there though, so the GOP lies about who they are during elections and we continue to move leftward. Its why I don't vote in federal elections anymore, I don't believe them.
I have said for years now that it will be the GOP who gives us amnesty, who gives us more unfettered spending, who will protect socialist healthcare and it will be the GOP who will ultimately give us freedom killing gun restrictions.
As the dems moved to be far leftists, the GOP moved well left of center. The country is not there though, so the GOP lies about who they are during elections and we continue to move leftward. Its why I don't vote in federal elections anymore, I don't believe them.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 02, 2015 12:14 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 02, 2015 12:14 PM (FsuaD)
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The rest of the country despises your evil ilk.
Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 12:13 PM (Q7dqX)
The 47%?
Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 12:13 PM (Q7dqX)
The 47%?
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 02, 2015 12:15 PM (UnJ7w)
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The rest of the country despises your evil ilk.
Posted by: Winning is everything
Which country? Russia?
Posted by: Winning is everything
Which country? Russia?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 02, 2015 12:15 PM (fYgrm)
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In fairness, I have been having digestive troubles in my ilk.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at July 02, 2015 12:15 PM (evdj2)
273
@255
I got news for you, most whites don't hate Latinos and do not share Trumps hate. Sure low income white trash types do, but they societal rejects now.
I got news for you, most whites don't hate Latinos and do not share Trumps hate. Sure low income white trash types do, but they societal rejects now.
Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 12:16 PM (Q7dqX)
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If I had to choose right now, I would just collapse on my face, like Sadness in Inside Out, and let people drag me around, because I don't want to adult anymore.
Lol that description. Yes adulting is getting more and more impossible nowadays!
Lol that description. Yes adulting is getting more and more impossible nowadays!
Posted by: LizLem at July 02, 2015 12:16 PM (hvf9s)
275
*sniff* I smell a Serbian.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 02, 2015 12:16 PM (FsuaD)
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#266 lol.
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 02, 2015 12:17 PM (u07AL)
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The last step in the instructions is literally 'now go get a cold beer.'
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 12:13 PM (fwARV)
I think I missed some things skipping through comments..
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 12:13 PM (fwARV)
I think I missed some things skipping through comments..
Posted by: Lea at July 02, 2015 12:17 PM (lIU4e)
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Seconded.
Thirded.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t
Eleventied. If the GOP wins but then does the same horse shit that the Dems were doing, I fail to see how that is a win for the country.
Thirded.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t
Eleventied. If the GOP wins but then does the same horse shit that the Dems were doing, I fail to see how that is a win for the country.
Posted by: Progressive at July 02, 2015 12:17 PM (/Ho8c)
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Sure low income white trash types do, but they societal rejects now.
Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 12:16 PM (Q7dqX)
Says the fucker from the party full of old white people.
Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 12:16 PM (Q7dqX)
Says the fucker from the party full of old white people.
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 02, 2015 12:17 PM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: wrg500 at July 02, 2015 12:17 PM (C278+)
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this has less to do with the outcome of the decision which I always felt was inevitable, and more to do with how it happened and the ugliness that followed.
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I think this cuts to the heart of what has been happening during the reign of The Won. If I can use a harsh analogy, it's akin to being raped. Rape is purely about power and the knowledge of the rapist that they hold that power over you. The Left impose their will upon the electorate because they can, and they don't care whether we like it or not. Persuasion doesn't enter their heads.
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I think this cuts to the heart of what has been happening during the reign of The Won. If I can use a harsh analogy, it's akin to being raped. Rape is purely about power and the knowledge of the rapist that they hold that power over you. The Left impose their will upon the electorate because they can, and they don't care whether we like it or not. Persuasion doesn't enter their heads.
Posted by: flmomof4 at July 02, 2015 12:18 PM (nSjrf)
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According to Amtrak, Acela is the combination of the words acceleration, and excellence.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at July 02, 2015 12:10 PM (9Y7bY)
LOL. Where is any part of the word "excellence" in "acela"??
To be fair, there's not much acceleration in the acela, either. But it is ridiculously expensive, so there's that. They should have called it "rid-ex".
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at July 02, 2015 12:10 PM (9Y7bY)
LOL. Where is any part of the word "excellence" in "acela"??
To be fair, there's not much acceleration in the acela, either. But it is ridiculously expensive, so there's that. They should have called it "rid-ex".
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 02, 2015 12:18 PM (MYSVz)
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at July 02, 2015 12:18 PM (evdj2)
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Yeah, everyone *says* how "mad" conservatives are, but when it comes down to it, they'll bend over and get dorked up the squeakhole by the GOPe-picked nominee, just like they always do.
Maybe. But I don't know this time. I don't think its going to be more of the same, not this time. Not any more. Regarding the polls, we've already had one big story about how the polls for Hillary were seriously tweaked and false. There is absolutely nothing that the Dems will not stoop to in order to retain power. Nothing.
Maybe. But I don't know this time. I don't think its going to be more of the same, not this time. Not any more. Regarding the polls, we've already had one big story about how the polls for Hillary were seriously tweaked and false. There is absolutely nothing that the Dems will not stoop to in order to retain power. Nothing.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 12:18 PM (39g3+)
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I mean... I am a very strong social conservative and
will not compromise on my principles personally but I do get the
frustration of more RINO-leaning folks here with us. We'll throw a fit
and refuse to vote ever for a guy who has one flaw.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 12:14 PM (39g3+)
One flaw? Really? The GOP increases spending and the debt. They are essentially buying into Obamacare. Most of the candidates believe in AGW. they are almost all for amnesty. the GOP has always expanded the size/scope of the federal gov't and never reduced it. the judges the GOP gives us betray us. They fight for nothing socially.
Stick the "one flaw" nonsense up your ass.
will not compromise on my principles personally but I do get the
frustration of more RINO-leaning folks here with us. We'll throw a fit
and refuse to vote ever for a guy who has one flaw.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 12:14 PM (39g3+)
One flaw? Really? The GOP increases spending and the debt. They are essentially buying into Obamacare. Most of the candidates believe in AGW. they are almost all for amnesty. the GOP has always expanded the size/scope of the federal gov't and never reduced it. the judges the GOP gives us betray us. They fight for nothing socially.
Stick the "one flaw" nonsense up your ass.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at July 02, 2015 12:18 PM (3ZtZW)
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I'm building this:
http://tinyurl.com/nu8jav8
And I've added an aftermarket upgrade (correction) to the intakes, which were produced incorrectly.
Serious pain.
http://tinyurl.com/nu8jav8
And I've added an aftermarket upgrade (correction) to the intakes, which were produced incorrectly.
Serious pain.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 12:18 PM (fwARV)
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Hillary is crushing Trump in surveys. What purple appeal does he have? You are a lying propagandist.
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Boy even for a troll you are a stone-headed idiot. Shrillary is having her time in public before Obummer endorses someone more purely Socialist and cuts her off at the cankles. And that is without her bumbling hands-off campaign that makes Jeb look human and Trump look like JFK. Shrillary has 0% chance to take on the GOP next November, she just doesn't know it yet.
@125
Hillary is crushing Trump in surveys. What purple appeal does he have? You are a lying propagandist.
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Boy even for a troll you are a stone-headed idiot. Shrillary is having her time in public before Obummer endorses someone more purely Socialist and cuts her off at the cankles. And that is without her bumbling hands-off campaign that makes Jeb look human and Trump look like JFK. Shrillary has 0% chance to take on the GOP next November, she just doesn't know it yet.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 02, 2015 12:19 PM (ry4ab)
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*couriers to Washington Nearsider a beer*
I kinda had a niggling suspicion that was what you were using and battling. There is some impressive detail included. But compared to the original Trumpeter intakes, these are 1000% better while being OCD overkill on detail.
I kinda had a niggling suspicion that was what you were using and battling. There is some impressive detail included. But compared to the original Trumpeter intakes, these are 1000% better while being OCD overkill on detail.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 12:19 PM (/8So2)
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my hero joe biden will save us.
Posted by: snake handling is everything at July 02, 2015 12:19 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 12:19 PM (fwARV)
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Hillary is more likely to be indicted than nominated.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at July 02, 2015 12:19 PM (evdj2)
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Posted by: Winning is everything at July 02, 2015 12:11 PM (Q7dqX)
Why do your change your nic all the time?
Why do your change your nic all the time?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 02, 2015 12:19 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2015 12:19 PM (kdS6q)
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>>You will notice that the Left has no trouble with tough talk when it scores them political points. Why shouldn't Trump or another candidate not do the same?
The Dems never have to discuss whether or not to support or banish &their* clownish candidates.
Bernie Sanders????
Al Sharpton????
Because nothing is out of bounds if it furthers their agenda ("They wanna put y'all in chains!"). Meanwhile the GOPe is totes scared of its own shadow offending the DC/Media crowd.
The Dems never have to discuss whether or not to support or banish &their* clownish candidates.
Bernie Sanders????
Al Sharpton????
Because nothing is out of bounds if it furthers their agenda ("They wanna put y'all in chains!"). Meanwhile the GOPe is totes scared of its own shadow offending the DC/Media crowd.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 02, 2015 12:19 PM (NOIQH)
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the judges the GOP gives us betray us. They fight for nothing socially.
Stick the "one flaw" nonsense up your ass.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at July 02, 2015 12:18 PM (3ZtZW)
Vote Hillary instead!
Stick the "one flaw" nonsense up your ass.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at July 02, 2015 12:18 PM (3ZtZW)
Vote Hillary instead!
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 02, 2015 12:19 PM (UnJ7w)
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To be fair, there's not much acceleration in the acela, either. But it is ridiculously expensive, so there's that. They should have called it "rid-ex".
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Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 02, 2015 12:20 PM (fYgrm)
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OTOH, it makes no difference when the SCOTUS redefines words like marriage and state.
One of the hallmarks of tyranny is to keep the populace confused about what is and what isn't legal or allowed.
OTOH, it makes no difference when the SCOTUS redefines words like marriage and state.
One of the hallmarks of tyranny is to keep the populace confused about what is and what isn't legal or allowed.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 02, 2015 12:20 PM (ODxAs)
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I kinda had a niggling suspicion that was what you were using and battling. There is some impressive detail included. But compared to the original Trumpeter intakes, these are 1000% better while being OCD overkill on detail.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 12:19 PM (/8So2)
They're miles and miles ahead of the box parts. I've surrendered some detail to the putty and sanding monsters, but as you said, they're overkill anyway.
All in all, I think it'll be a win.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 12:19 PM (/8So2)
They're miles and miles ahead of the box parts. I've surrendered some detail to the putty and sanding monsters, but as you said, they're overkill anyway.
All in all, I think it'll be a win.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 12:21 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: Waiting for jr;dr Bear at July 02, 2015 12:21 PM (P/aDH)
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Hillary is crushing Trump in surveys. What purple appeal does he have? You are a lying propagandist.
Has she done a press interview yet? Maybe they can fax her the questions.
Has she done a press interview yet? Maybe they can fax her the questions.
Posted by: wrg500 at July 02, 2015 12:21 PM (C278+)
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In fairness, Hillary might actually get the economy going, for a price. Most of the Clinton mafia are grifters, not communists.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at July 02, 2015 12:21 PM (evdj2)
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Hillary wins. They can't run a white guy or they lose the identity group immunity that President Obama has right now. They hate her, she's awful, and she's a corrupt idiot who had a stroke recently, but she's the one. They'll drag her worthless carcass over the finish line if they have to shoot half the opposition voters to get it done.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 12:21 PM (39g3+)
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The dumb thing is, Trump could be the GOP's Obama, in a sense.
Let's be honest, what percentage of Obama voters voted for him
because they agreed with his positions? I'd posit the majority voted for
him because he was cool, hip, historic, and everyone else was doing it.
It was an American Idol Presidency.
Sad to say but Trump could peel a lot of voters over in the same way. "Hey, I know that dude! He's on TV!"
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It is a a completely shameless celebrity appeal, but we are talking an election here. If that gets LIVs to pull the GOP lever, I am good with it.
The dumb thing is, Trump could be the GOP's Obama, in a sense.
Let's be honest, what percentage of Obama voters voted for him
because they agreed with his positions? I'd posit the majority voted for
him because he was cool, hip, historic, and everyone else was doing it.
It was an American Idol Presidency.
Sad to say but Trump could peel a lot of voters over in the same way. "Hey, I know that dude! He's on TV!"
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It is a a completely shameless celebrity appeal, but we are talking an election here. If that gets LIVs to pull the GOP lever, I am good with it.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 02, 2015 12:22 PM (ry4ab)
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Will we be required to do math in the camps? I was told there would be no math.
Posted by: Weasel at July 02, 2015 12:22 PM (6xtq3)
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The leaders of the national Democratic Partyknow they need their far-Left, hard-Left base to win. Yeah, they know they need moderates too, as well as liberal independents, but their primary focus is on pleasing and appeasing their base. Of course, it helps that Democratic Party leaders are also of their base. Their neo-Marxist 'progressive' ideology is culturally, philosophicallyand economically suicidal, but they believe in it with all their hearts. While not allare diehard true believers, everyone's on board.
Now look at the GOP. More specifically, look at Jeb Bush. Bush has made his contempt forthe conservative base of the Republican Party a de facto centerpiece of his campaign. In my view, neither he nor any other Republican candidate stands a chance against Hillary in the general election if that candidate is unable to harness the energy of the GOP's conservative base.
I just don't think it's possible to win a major national election by alienating the core of one's own party in hopes of attracting the votes of the supposedly moderate middle. I can't think of a single historical instance where anything like it has ever been accomplished. It won't work. It can't work.
Now look at the GOP. More specifically, look at Jeb Bush. Bush has made his contempt forthe conservative base of the Republican Party a de facto centerpiece of his campaign. In my view, neither he nor any other Republican candidate stands a chance against Hillary in the general election if that candidate is unable to harness the energy of the GOP's conservative base.
I just don't think it's possible to win a major national election by alienating the core of one's own party in hopes of attracting the votes of the supposedly moderate middle. I can't think of a single historical instance where anything like it has ever been accomplished. It won't work. It can't work.
Posted by: troyriser at July 02, 2015 12:22 PM (S08gh)
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"To be fair, there's not much acceleration in the acela, either. But it is ridiculously expensive, so there's that. They should have called it "rid-ex"."
I don't think anyone actually pays for the Acela out of their own pocket. When it first started the Acela used to have a good selection of draft beer in the bar car which was nice on the ride home after a long day. Of course, they f'ed that up.
"To be fair, there's not much acceleration in the acela, either. But it is ridiculously expensive, so there's that. They should have called it "rid-ex"."
I don't think anyone actually pays for the Acela out of their own pocket. When it first started the Acela used to have a good selection of draft beer in the bar car which was nice on the ride home after a long day. Of course, they f'ed that up.
Posted by: Benji Carver at July 02, 2015 12:22 PM (OD2ni)
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Well, Trump coouldn't be worse than Obama. At least he has managerial experience
My fear he'd be a stalking horse for Hillary by running as an Independent. That being said, I think he's a blowhard, but not stupid and I agree with much of what he says.
Republicans are too timid and have too much of a desire to be liked by the in crowd.
My fear he'd be a stalking horse for Hillary by running as an Independent. That being said, I think he's a blowhard, but not stupid and I agree with much of what he says.
Republicans are too timid and have too much of a desire to be liked by the in crowd.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 02, 2015 12:22 PM (OSs/l)
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I'm building this:
http://tinyurl.com/nu8jav8
Ah. Gotcha. I'm cracking up at the little lego men in the picture with the model.
http://tinyurl.com/nu8jav8
Ah. Gotcha. I'm cracking up at the little lego men in the picture with the model.
Posted by: Lea at July 02, 2015 12:23 PM (lIU4e)
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In fairness, Hillary might actually get the economy going, for a price. Most of the Clinton mafia are grifters, not communists.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes
The nomenklatura do not need nor care about a healthy economy.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes
The nomenklatura do not need nor care about a healthy economy.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 02, 2015 12:25 PM (fYgrm)
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Most of the people I see getting a boner over Trump are the same lefties who got a boner over McCain in 2000 and claimed that if he ever won the nomination they would vote for him. LOL
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 02, 2015 12:25 PM (iQIUe)
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>>In fairness, Hillary might actually get the economy going, for a price.
She'll get the economy going for Soros, the Russians, China --- the rest of us, not so much.
She'll get the economy going for Soros, the Russians, China --- the rest of us, not so much.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 02, 2015 12:25 PM (NOIQH)
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"He is a fool, the GOPe are fools, this whole damn country is full of fools!!
Posted by: Norman Borlaug's Grain Factory at July 02, 2015 11:37 AM (WVvzl)"
"We are an unserious nation..."
And yet you guys were just approvingly quoting Jefferson on respecting "the people."
Face it: you hate much of the electorate and think half of it is made up of worthless parasites. Remember the famous 47%? The "takers," who can't take responsibility for themselves?
And yet you position yourself as populists and true believers in democracy.
And you call Obama and Democrats "divisive."
You're divisive. You only like democracy when the majority agrees with you - just like the people you claim to hate.
Posted by: Norman Borlaug's Grain Factory at July 02, 2015 11:37 AM (WVvzl)"
"We are an unserious nation..."
And yet you guys were just approvingly quoting Jefferson on respecting "the people."
Face it: you hate much of the electorate and think half of it is made up of worthless parasites. Remember the famous 47%? The "takers," who can't take responsibility for themselves?
And yet you position yourself as populists and true believers in democracy.
And you call Obama and Democrats "divisive."
You're divisive. You only like democracy when the majority agrees with you - just like the people you claim to hate.
Posted by: p at July 02, 2015 12:25 PM (Cp1w2)
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Trump would probably not be a very good president.
But he would be ever so much better than what we have now.
But he would be ever so much better than what we have now.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 02, 2015 12:25 PM (/Ho8c)
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Ah. Gotcha. I'm cracking up at the little lego men in the picture with the model.
Posted by: Lea at July 02, 2015 12:23 PM (lIU4e)
Yeah, I'm not looking forward to days 8, 9 and 10.
Posted by: Lea at July 02, 2015 12:23 PM (lIU4e)
Yeah, I'm not looking forward to days 8, 9 and 10.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 12:25 PM (fwARV)
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***"I'm mostly done with the federalist anyway. Fucking wankers all."***
Yeah, I'm getting there myself. I just saw some article there about "Polygamy is coming and I'm the reason why" or some shit and thought "Who saw fit to print this woman's neurotic screed here?"
Yeah, I'm getting there myself. I just saw some article there about "Polygamy is coming and I'm the reason why" or some shit and thought "Who saw fit to print this woman's neurotic screed here?"
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2015 12:26 PM (xSCb6)
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Seriously, where have all these trolls come from? It stinks of troll dung in here.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 02, 2015 12:26 PM (/Ho8c)
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"So why are so many Republican voters flirting with a crazy loudmouthed liberal? I think it's mostly because of the 2nd thing...loudmouthed."
Donald Trump is fun to watch as he gets going. He is going to twist tails, gore oxen, trigger snowflakes and just irk the daylights out of all the right people. And then all of The Right People will do what they can to hurt Trump and he will love it because it is attention being showered on his massive ego - he doesn't care what kind of attention so long as he gets it.
Such as the actions of NBC and DeBlasio - they think they are hurting Trump when instead they are tossing him into the briar patch.
Donald Trump is fun to watch as he gets going. He is going to twist tails, gore oxen, trigger snowflakes and just irk the daylights out of all the right people. And then all of The Right People will do what they can to hurt Trump and he will love it because it is attention being showered on his massive ego - he doesn't care what kind of attention so long as he gets it.
Such as the actions of NBC and DeBlasio - they think they are hurting Trump when instead they are tossing him into the briar patch.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - If your right eyebrow isn't twitching you simply don't care. at July 02, 2015 12:27 PM (hLRSq)
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I don't get why everyone's so animated about The Donald.
Our worst candidate is ten times better than their best one.
Our worst candidate is ten times better than their best one.
Posted by: franksalterego at July 02, 2015 12:27 PM (Fh+WR)
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Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 02, 2015 12:26 PM (/Ho8c)
While the economy has not been good to many, global chaos is right up George Soros' alley.
For what it's worth.
While the economy has not been good to many, global chaos is right up George Soros' alley.
For what it's worth.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 12:27 PM (kff5f)
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I hope somebody's warming up The Banhammer of Loving Kindness.
These idiot Russian trolls are just no fun.
These idiot Russian trolls are just no fun.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 02, 2015 12:27 PM (eEb+d)
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You're divisive. You only like democracy when the majority agrees with you - just like the people you claim to hate.
Posted by: p at July 02, 2015 12:25 PM (Cp1w2)
Because Joe Biden telling black voters "They gonna put y'all back in chains!", is not "divisive", lol.
Posted by: p at July 02, 2015 12:25 PM (Cp1w2)
Because Joe Biden telling black voters "They gonna put y'all back in chains!", is not "divisive", lol.
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 02, 2015 12:28 PM (UnJ7w)
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You're divisive. You only like democracy when the majority agrees with you - just like the people you claim to hate.
It true, nothing says Democratic Republic quite like having the opinion of one unelected old white guy override the democratic decisions of all 57 states.
We have much to learn.
It true, nothing says Democratic Republic quite like having the opinion of one unelected old white guy override the democratic decisions of all 57 states.
We have much to learn.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at July 02, 2015 12:28 PM (evdj2)
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Why do your change your nic all the time?
Prolly to get around the banhammer and also the morons who have some sort of "ignore user" script running in their browsers.
Prolly to get around the banhammer and also the morons who have some sort of "ignore user" script running in their browsers.
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 02, 2015 12:28 PM (u07AL)
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Yeah, I'm not looking forward to days 8, 9 and 10.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 12:25 PM (fwARV)
The last thing I built was one of those box furniture entryway hall tree things. I got to a point and the wood would not lay flush, no matter how much I hammered it in and I got so disgusted with it I took 2 months off from building it.
then I realized it would literally never lay flush and went ahead and finished. Annoying.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 12:25 PM (fwARV)
The last thing I built was one of those box furniture entryway hall tree things. I got to a point and the wood would not lay flush, no matter how much I hammered it in and I got so disgusted with it I took 2 months off from building it.
then I realized it would literally never lay flush and went ahead and finished. Annoying.
Posted by: Lea at July 02, 2015 12:28 PM (lIU4e)
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I'm a Trump supporter, not so much because I like the guy but because I think the GOP deserves him.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 02, 2015 12:28 PM (eytER)
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Trump would probably not be a very good president.
But he would be ever so much better than what we have now.
Low bar that.
But he would be ever so much better than what we have now.
Low bar that.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at July 02, 2015 12:29 PM (evdj2)
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You only like democracy when the majority agrees with you - just like the people you claim to hate.
And YOU don't?
And YOU don't?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 02, 2015 12:29 PM (OSs/l)
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Posted by: p at July 02, 2015 12:25 PM (Cp1w2)
You're absolutely right, but there's one major difference Sparky; care to hazard a guess?
Don't strain yourself.
You're absolutely right, but there's one major difference Sparky; care to hazard a guess?
Don't strain yourself.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2015 12:29 PM (xSCb6)
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Yeah, everyone *says* how "mad" conservatives are, but when it comes
down to it, they'll bend over and get dorked up the squeakhole by the
GOPe-picked nominee, just like they always do.
Jeb Bush leads in the polls. That's right. Jeb. Effing. Bush. Mr. GOPe
himself.
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Jeb is running on name appeal, much like Trump or Hillary! in fact. However, he will eventually have to SAY something though....
Yeah, everyone *says* how "mad" conservatives are, but when it comes
down to it, they'll bend over and get dorked up the squeakhole by the
GOPe-picked nominee, just like they always do.
Jeb Bush leads in the polls. That's right. Jeb. Effing. Bush. Mr. GOPe
himself.
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Jeb is running on name appeal, much like Trump or Hillary! in fact. However, he will eventually have to SAY something though....
Posted by: exdem13 at July 02, 2015 12:30 PM (ry4ab)
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then I realized it would literally never lay flush and went ahead and finished. Annoying.
Posted by: Lea at July 02, 2015 12:28 PM (lIU4e)
I'm familiar with the emotion...
Posted by: Lea at July 02, 2015 12:28 PM (lIU4e)
I'm familiar with the emotion...
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 12:30 PM (fwARV)
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He changes his nic all the time because he's important, Dad, and the things he says are important, Dad.
Posted by: Chupacabras at July 02, 2015 12:30 PM (F26eZ)
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Prolly to get around the banhammer and also the morons who have some sort of "ignore user" script running in their browsers.
Both of those are based on hashes (well, sort of, TBH3K is based on IP, but your hash is also based on your IP).
It does, however, make it more difficult to identify someone as a troll until you *are* used to their hash.
Of course, some of the Morons In Good Standing do it just for fun, too.
Both of those are based on hashes (well, sort of, TBH3K is based on IP, but your hash is also based on your IP).
It does, however, make it more difficult to identify someone as a troll until you *are* used to their hash.
Of course, some of the Morons In Good Standing do it just for fun, too.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 12:30 PM (kff5f)
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Seriously, where have all these trolls come from? It stinks of troll dung in here.
This suggests to me that Trump's support and popularity is largely astroturfed.
This suggests to me that Trump's support and popularity is largely astroturfed.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 12:31 PM (39g3+)
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Oh that will be a lot of the action on the diorama when the guys on deck scoot under the plane to ensure nothing is wrong. Nose gear tied to shuttle. Steam escaping. JBD up. And there is one guy in a green vest holding a pickle trigger in hand to one side waiting for the sign. Meanwhile the pilot will have his hands up.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 12:32 PM (/8So2)
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***"Of course, some of the Morons In Good Standing do it just for fun, too."***
All trolls are Alex the Chick.
All trolls are Alex the Chick.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2015 12:32 PM (xSCb6)
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This is why I'm so fucking sick of politics that I, for one, will welcome our Alien Robot Overlords and their patented Perfect Policy Matrix Decision Machine (tm) when they arrive:
"jokes like him and Ben Carson" . . .
Fucking Barack Obama is the first "black" president, a worthless, communist, goat-felching, pathologically dishonest, lazy fool, and there is a black surgeon of infinitely more worthy accomplishments who is on "our" side, and we call him a "joke".
Fuck this. Bring on the apocalypse!
"jokes like him and Ben Carson" . . .
Fucking Barack Obama is the first "black" president, a worthless, communist, goat-felching, pathologically dishonest, lazy fool, and there is a black surgeon of infinitely more worthy accomplishments who is on "our" side, and we call him a "joke".
Fuck this. Bring on the apocalypse!
Posted by: Sharkman at July 02, 2015 12:32 PM (72D6h)
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OK, OT, but I just got an email about a sales event that says they will give you a 32 inch tv with a car purchase. That's kind of a cheapout promotion.
Posted by: Lea at July 02, 2015 12:32 PM (lIU4e)
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"Damn, this field is pretty depressing when you think about how many there are."
---
"Guess what: Ronald Reagan sucked on social issues. He did nothing to
fight abortion, he repeatedly signed spending increases and even a few
tax hikes. He was not a pure icon. But he was way better than the
alternative and even his flawed self managed great things."
==============================
He had our trust. These guys don't.
In Reagan's day there was a larger plurality of Americans who would naturally hold the line on cultural Marxism and creeping socialism. How did Regan's "sucking" on social issues impact those issues? What was Reagan supposed to do on abortion? He was as pro-life as they come, but Bork got Teddy'd in his confirmation and we ended up with Tony the Love Sponge as a result.
Regan's amnesty wasn't large enough to permanently shift the demographics into fatal territory for the Right. His spending increases, largely defense-based, produced results - tangible military readiness improvement, some minor but morale-boosting victories and eventually huge strategic payoff.
There's no honest comparison between Reagan's flaws and the majority of these deeply wrong headed and/or outright corrupt political cowards we're now stuck with now. Reagan didn't pander to the zeitgeist, he bided his time and stuck to his core principles. I don't see that now.
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"Guess what: Ronald Reagan sucked on social issues. He did nothing to
fight abortion, he repeatedly signed spending increases and even a few
tax hikes. He was not a pure icon. But he was way better than the
alternative and even his flawed self managed great things."
==============================
He had our trust. These guys don't.
In Reagan's day there was a larger plurality of Americans who would naturally hold the line on cultural Marxism and creeping socialism. How did Regan's "sucking" on social issues impact those issues? What was Reagan supposed to do on abortion? He was as pro-life as they come, but Bork got Teddy'd in his confirmation and we ended up with Tony the Love Sponge as a result.
Regan's amnesty wasn't large enough to permanently shift the demographics into fatal territory for the Right. His spending increases, largely defense-based, produced results - tangible military readiness improvement, some minor but morale-boosting victories and eventually huge strategic payoff.
There's no honest comparison between Reagan's flaws and the majority of these deeply wrong headed and/or outright corrupt political cowards we're now stuck with now. Reagan didn't pander to the zeitgeist, he bided his time and stuck to his core principles. I don't see that now.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 12:33 PM (WIOql)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 12:33 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger at July 02, 2015 12:33 PM (xaWUq)
Posted by: wrg500 at July 02, 2015 12:33 PM (C278+)
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*opens tab, logs into FedEx, and enters Burn the Witch's address*
Since it is still early, your Emu in the Box should arrive today.
Since it is still early, your Emu in the Box should arrive today.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 12:34 PM (/8So2)
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This suggests to me that Trump's support and popularity is largely astroturfed.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 12:31 PM (39g3+)
*insert joke about Trump's toupee here*
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 12:31 PM (39g3+)
*insert joke about Trump's toupee here*
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - If your right eyebrow isn't twitching you simply don't care. at July 02, 2015 12:34 PM (hLRSq)
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337 OK, OT, but I just got an email about a sales event that says they will give you a 32 inch tv with a car purchase. That's kind of a cheapout promotion.
Posted by: Lea at July 02, 2015 12:32 PM (lIU4e)
Makes you wonder who reads that deal and goes "Sold!".
Posted by: Lea at July 02, 2015 12:32 PM (lIU4e)
Makes you wonder who reads that deal and goes "Sold!".
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 02, 2015 12:34 PM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 12:34 PM (kff5f)
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He had our trust. These guys don't.
I don't trust Trump, either. I mean, I trust him to do anything he can to get attention, but on politics I don't trust him.
I don't trust Trump, either. I mean, I trust him to do anything he can to get attention, but on politics I don't trust him.
Posted by: Lea at July 02, 2015 12:34 PM (lIU4e)
347
Just tossing this in here:
Trump 2016: Because his wife isn't Michelle
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 02, 2015 12:14 PM (FsuaD)
Hehe.
Vote for me because... I'm beautiful!
Trump 2016: Because his wife isn't Michelle
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 02, 2015 12:14 PM (FsuaD)
Hehe.
Vote for me because... I'm beautiful!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 02, 2015 12:34 PM (qCMvj)
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Hypothetical for ya'll
If the government offered an opt-out. An opt-out of every single government service ever. You don't have to pay a dime in taxes, SS, Medicaid, any of it. You would not have to obey any civil laws, you could do pretty much whatever you want. Refuse service to gays, Nazis, whomever.
But, you also wouldn't get the benefits either. You would not receive SS or Medicaid when you are of age (although I think we all know that "of age" will probably be 90 soon) No option to call firefighters, police. You wouldn't be able to drive on roads, unless they were unsanctioned dirt roads. (Although, you COULD hire someone to drive you.) No schooling (haha) for your children.
You get my drift. Would you opt out?
If the government offered an opt-out. An opt-out of every single government service ever. You don't have to pay a dime in taxes, SS, Medicaid, any of it. You would not have to obey any civil laws, you could do pretty much whatever you want. Refuse service to gays, Nazis, whomever.
But, you also wouldn't get the benefits either. You would not receive SS or Medicaid when you are of age (although I think we all know that "of age" will probably be 90 soon) No option to call firefighters, police. You wouldn't be able to drive on roads, unless they were unsanctioned dirt roads. (Although, you COULD hire someone to drive you.) No schooling (haha) for your children.
You get my drift. Would you opt out?
Posted by: TickledPink at July 02, 2015 12:34 PM (RLFFI)
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In fairness to the Republicans, what they are doing is working, for them. Since 2008, they are 43-1 in elections. If the base were to give them another 2010 and 2014, the Democrats will be reduced to a rump party. Life's been good for them. For Conservatives, not so much.
My point being that it will be hard to persuade them when they are winning.
My point being that it will be hard to persuade them when they are winning.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at July 02, 2015 12:35 PM (evdj2)
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Someone needs to tell NASCAR to leave the manufactured outrage about the CBF alone and let the fans do what they want with whatever flag they wish.
Besides me, of course.
Funny how they don't have the comments turned on about that little issue.
Besides me, of course.
Funny how they don't have the comments turned on about that little issue.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at July 02, 2015 12:35 PM (eEb+d)
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>>> OTOH, it makes no difference when the SCOTUS redefines words like marriage and state.
OT, but in Utah, the Episcopal church's house of bishops just approved gay marriage for churches in the state.
I'm not surprised at all, they have been outspoken on wanting to be on the "right" side of history this time, as opposed to how they handled civil rights in the 60s, apparently. I'm more surprised they did not approve it the day of the ruling!
OT, but in Utah, the Episcopal church's house of bishops just approved gay marriage for churches in the state.
I'm not surprised at all, they have been outspoken on wanting to be on the "right" side of history this time, as opposed to how they handled civil rights in the 60s, apparently. I'm more surprised they did not approve it the day of the ruling!
Posted by: LizLem at July 02, 2015 12:35 PM (hvf9s)
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What's this business about all latinos being employed in lawncare?
You people are mucho estereotipo.
You people are mucho estereotipo.
Posted by: Mexican Roofers at July 02, 2015 12:35 PM (TOk1P)
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Nood.
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 02, 2015 12:35 PM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 02, 2015 12:35 PM (kdS6q)
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"Help us Zombie Reagan . . . you're our only hope."
http://tinyurl.com/Conservatism-Optimism-Brains
http://tinyurl.com/Conservatism-Optimism-Brains
Posted by: Sharkman at July 02, 2015 12:35 PM (72D6h)
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*opens tab, logs into FedEx, and enters Burn the Witch's address*
Since it is still early, your Emu in the Box should arrive today.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 12:34 PM (/8So2)
*waves paw frantically in the air*
Could you send me a Kate Upton in the Box?
Since it is still early, your Emu in the Box should arrive today.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 12:34 PM (/8So2)
*waves paw frantically in the air*
Could you send me a Kate Upton in the Box?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - If your right eyebrow isn't twitching you simply don't care. at July 02, 2015 12:35 PM (hLRSq)
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Reagan wasn't hired to address social issues
Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger at July 02, 2015 12:36 PM (xaWUq)
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Don't shoot?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 12:33 PM (kff5f)
I absolutely love that multiple people said the same thing!
And no, to show the Shooter that he's not touching anything. Going up on tension isn't a time one wants to shoot off early, as it were.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 12:33 PM (kff5f)
I absolutely love that multiple people said the same thing!
And no, to show the Shooter that he's not touching anything. Going up on tension isn't a time one wants to shoot off early, as it were.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 12:36 PM (fwARV)
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Let's be honest, what percentage of Obama voters voted for him
because they agreed with his positions? I'd posit the majority voted for
him because he was cool, hip, historic, and everyone else was doing it.
A young black friend of mine - an Ivy League graduate, and not an affirmative action one, either - said he favored Obama because he didn't like Romney's policies.
"Which ones?"
Crickets.
because they agreed with his positions? I'd posit the majority voted for
him because he was cool, hip, historic, and everyone else was doing it.
A young black friend of mine - an Ivy League graduate, and not an affirmative action one, either - said he favored Obama because he didn't like Romney's policies.
"Which ones?"
Crickets.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 02, 2015 12:36 PM (oKE6c)
360
I'm going to throw this out there. It'll flop like a dead cat and smell like week-old lutefisk, but I really, really feel the need to put this out there.
We keep saying that culture is upstream of politics, but I wonder how well we've internalized just how culture shapes politics. I keep drifting back to John Adams' quote about the sort of people the Constitution was meant for, and then I look around and realize that it was a people we ain't got by and large, not anymore.
So then, the conundrum: Are we even approaching this correctly? Is it possible that we're trying to hit step 8 of the process when we need to go back to step 1? Do we, in short, need to rebuild the people before even thinking about refitting the government?
My personal "nighthawk", as it were: Is it possible that the "traditionalist statists"...have a point?
It does not settle well, but...it nags at me.
We keep saying that culture is upstream of politics, but I wonder how well we've internalized just how culture shapes politics. I keep drifting back to John Adams' quote about the sort of people the Constitution was meant for, and then I look around and realize that it was a people we ain't got by and large, not anymore.
So then, the conundrum: Are we even approaching this correctly? Is it possible that we're trying to hit step 8 of the process when we need to go back to step 1? Do we, in short, need to rebuild the people before even thinking about refitting the government?
My personal "nighthawk", as it were: Is it possible that the "traditionalist statists"...have a point?
It does not settle well, but...it nags at me.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, by the Pale Moon light at July 02, 2015 12:36 PM (m9V0o)
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OK, OT, but I just got an email about a sales event that says they will give you a 32 inch tv with a car purchase.
In the '80s, Leica offered a free car with purchase of a lens.
Alas, the car was a VW Fox.
In the '80s, Leica offered a free car with purchase of a lens.
Alas, the car was a VW Fox.
Posted by: Fahrvergnuegen at July 02, 2015 12:36 PM (ZtFr+)
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Wow, BWOT from Mr. 928(c)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 02, 2015 12:36 PM (xSCb6)
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293
Trump 2016: My Daughters are Hot. Like, Retarded Hot
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All your slogans are great.
Trump 2016: My Daughters are Hot. Like, Retarded Hot
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All your slogans are great.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 02, 2015 12:36 PM (ry4ab)
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Posted by: TickledPink at July 02, 2015 12:34 PM (RLFFI)
That's a very good question. It would certainly be tempting.
Heck, if you *just* made it about SS/Medicare/Medicaid, I'd take it in a heartbeat. But I happen to like flushing toilets.
That's a very good question. It would certainly be tempting.
Heck, if you *just* made it about SS/Medicare/Medicaid, I'd take it in a heartbeat. But I happen to like flushing toilets.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 02, 2015 12:36 PM (kff5f)
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Someone needs to tell NASCAR to leave the manufactured outrage about the CBF alone and let the fans do what they want with whatever flag they wish.
NASCAR is rapidly moving away from its roots and base, and in the process are going to plummet in popularity. They exist and survive due to redneck middle America support. Pushing that away to reach out to a "broader" audience or just to be PC because they are being run by people who think gasoline powered cars are awful will destroy the sport.
Hell the name is a lie anyway. There's nothing stock about these cars in any remotest sense of the word.
NASCAR is rapidly moving away from its roots and base, and in the process are going to plummet in popularity. They exist and survive due to redneck middle America support. Pushing that away to reach out to a "broader" audience or just to be PC because they are being run by people who think gasoline powered cars are awful will destroy the sport.
Hell the name is a lie anyway. There's nothing stock about these cars in any remotest sense of the word.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 02, 2015 12:38 PM (39g3+)
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IIRC the pilot has his hands up when the plane is connected to the catapult shuttle for a simple reason. Safety. Keeps him from accidentally putting inputs that might crash the plane at launch. Or is the hands up thing a Plastic Bug only feature to go with the rudders automatically toeing in just before a cat shot? Would have to look in the books.
And this is why I will bow to Washington Nearsider on his build.
And this is why I will bow to Washington Nearsider on his build.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 12:38 PM (/8So2)
367
I am still putting my money on Walker.
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 02, 2015 12:41 PM (dULJN)
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Trump is RICH.
Untouchable, compared with the PC GOP candidates and slime pols who are afraid of their shadows.
Soros is RICH.
Soros is "Santa" in Hillary's emails.
Clash of the titans?
Trump v. Soros
Untouchable, compared with the PC GOP candidates and slime pols who are afraid of their shadows.
Soros is RICH.
Soros is "Santa" in Hillary's emails.
Clash of the titans?
Trump v. Soros
Posted by: ouch at July 02, 2015 12:41 PM (zYgqi)
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Carson lost my vote when he started babbling bullshit on the 2nd Amendment...
as the punchline to the old hospital joke says, you don't need brains to be a surgeon, just good hands.
as the punchline to the old hospital joke says, you don't need brains to be a surgeon, just good hands.
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 02, 2015 12:42 PM (lsWof)
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I may have a sour mouth, but you're the one wearing the green vomit.
Posted by: Alpaca Republican at July 02, 2015 12:42 PM (o/UmK)
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@360
Your comment isn't a flop at all. Part of the whole illegal immigration thing is to change the electorate, to make voters more liberal and compliant to Big Government. And the GOPe, with the RINOs and blueblood gentry Republicans, is as in favor of that as the donkeys are.
The GOPe *hates,* loathes, detests people like us Morons here who don't just fall in line.
Your comment isn't a flop at all. Part of the whole illegal immigration thing is to change the electorate, to make voters more liberal and compliant to Big Government. And the GOPe, with the RINOs and blueblood gentry Republicans, is as in favor of that as the donkeys are.
The GOPe *hates,* loathes, detests people like us Morons here who don't just fall in line.
Posted by: Agent J at July 02, 2015 12:43 PM (ueOgE)
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Trump, Paul, Sanders, Dean, Jackson.
Same trajectory in each case.
The pop-bottle rockets of presidential politics.
Same trajectory in each case.
The pop-bottle rockets of presidential politics.
Posted by: Lurking in the Wilderness at July 02, 2015 12:44 PM (1Y+hH)
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For Trump , it probably means marrying and divorcing one trophy wife after another.
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 02, 2015 11:44 AM (u07AL)
You say that as though you think there's something wrong with it.
Posted by: OregonMuse at July 02, 2015 11:44 AM (u07AL)
You say that as though you think there's something wrong with it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 02, 2015 12:44 PM (Wt2du)
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Fox 1
Just make sure you don't confuse the Sidewinder and AMRAAM switch positions.
Wouldn't be prudent.
Just make sure you don't confuse the Sidewinder and AMRAAM switch positions.
Wouldn't be prudent.
Posted by: Fox2! at July 02, 2015 12:44 PM (uztdD)
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348
Hypothetical for ya'll
If the government offered an opt-out. An
opt-out of every single government service ever. You don't have to pay a
dime in taxes, SS, Medicaid, any of it. You would not have to obey any
civil laws, you could do pretty much whatever you want. Refuse service
to gays, Nazis, whomever.
But, you also wouldn't get the
benefits either. You would not receive SS or Medicaid when you are of
age (although I think we all know that "of age" will probably be 90
soon) No option to call firefighters, police. You wouldn't be able to
drive on roads, unless they were unsanctioned dirt roads. (Although, you
COULD hire someone to drive you.) No schooling (haha) for your
children.
----------------------
You mean, would we choose to live like the Ohio frontier in 1803? Yeah right, try again for something more realistic. Then again, if Obummer has a little more fun before '17 and we get another "Democrat" elected, we could all end up in your little scenario anyway after the Republic collapses under its own bloated weight.
Hypothetical for ya'll
If the government offered an opt-out. An
opt-out of every single government service ever. You don't have to pay a
dime in taxes, SS, Medicaid, any of it. You would not have to obey any
civil laws, you could do pretty much whatever you want. Refuse service
to gays, Nazis, whomever.
But, you also wouldn't get the
benefits either. You would not receive SS or Medicaid when you are of
age (although I think we all know that "of age" will probably be 90
soon) No option to call firefighters, police. You wouldn't be able to
drive on roads, unless they were unsanctioned dirt roads. (Although, you
COULD hire someone to drive you.) No schooling (haha) for your
children.
----------------------
You mean, would we choose to live like the Ohio frontier in 1803? Yeah right, try again for something more realistic. Then again, if Obummer has a little more fun before '17 and we get another "Democrat" elected, we could all end up in your little scenario anyway after the Republic collapses under its own bloated weight.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 02, 2015 12:46 PM (ry4ab)
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Good post, Drew. Nothing astonishing or novel, but important, and correct about the Trump phenomenon.
As with so much else, the current Trump phenomenon is about everyone else, not him, it's about the juxtaposition. Just heard some more sound-bites from Trump. Perfect, in-your-face, correct on the merits such as they are, and unapologetic.
There are a few small exceptions here and there, and of course the media suppresses some of them, because, but generally you won't hear any sensible clear speaking from any GOP types of note. Mealy-mouthed, or talking points that were vapid 10 years ago, and now ...... wow.
Good post, Drew. Nothing astonishing or novel, but important, and correct about the Trump phenomenon.
As with so much else, the current Trump phenomenon is about everyone else, not him, it's about the juxtaposition. Just heard some more sound-bites from Trump. Perfect, in-your-face, correct on the merits such as they are, and unapologetic.
There are a few small exceptions here and there, and of course the media suppresses some of them, because, but generally you won't hear any sensible clear speaking from any GOP types of note. Mealy-mouthed, or talking points that were vapid 10 years ago, and now ...... wow.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 02, 2015 12:46 PM (QDnY+)
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" Do we, in short, need to rebuild the people before even thinking about refitting the government?"
Yes. The public schools and universities render most of their students forever hostile to a conservative world view. The Jesuits had it right - "Give me a child until he's 7 and I'll show you the man."
It's a multi-front battle. I support a strongly conservative third party to give remaining conservatives a standard to rally to and hunker down while we fight the culture war, and give us a little breathing room and leverage in politics. But unless and until we educate our children in something besides the State Run Indoctrination Camps, particularly the insanely crit-theory toxic colleges, we'll make little headway. I think education is much more of a front line than movies, TV, etc...
Yes. The public schools and universities render most of their students forever hostile to a conservative world view. The Jesuits had it right - "Give me a child until he's 7 and I'll show you the man."
It's a multi-front battle. I support a strongly conservative third party to give remaining conservatives a standard to rally to and hunker down while we fight the culture war, and give us a little breathing room and leverage in politics. But unless and until we educate our children in something besides the State Run Indoctrination Camps, particularly the insanely crit-theory toxic colleges, we'll make little headway. I think education is much more of a front line than movies, TV, etc...
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 12:46 PM (WIOql)
378
Hahaha! The progs are marching against the gays. They are jealous.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 02, 2015 12:47 PM (iQIUe)
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Thanks for all those patriotic solutions DrewM. Could it be that voters disagree with you and the best thing you can hope for is a punch that's bigger than your weight class?
Look, if you want to take your bat and your ball and go home because you aren't getting your way about everything you want that's your business, but pussies ought to shut up about being pussies. You seem to think it's cool to brag about being a pussy. It isn't. So shut up.
Better yet, stop being a pussy and get off your pussy ass and go out and do what you can to help save the country instead of working to g\ive the democrats absolute control over the government. Because that makes you a self defeating pussy.
Look, if you want to take your bat and your ball and go home because you aren't getting your way about everything you want that's your business, but pussies ought to shut up about being pussies. You seem to think it's cool to brag about being a pussy. It isn't. So shut up.
Better yet, stop being a pussy and get off your pussy ass and go out and do what you can to help save the country instead of working to g\ive the democrats absolute control over the government. Because that makes you a self defeating pussy.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 12:47 PM (EgbCN)
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at July 02, 2015 12:49 PM (evdj2)
381
Does anyone else notice the total media silence on Rick Perry?
Posted by: museisluse at July 02, 2015 12:50 PM (nskAg)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 02, 2015 12:50 PM (iQIUe)
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Or is the hands up thing a Plastic Bug only feature to go with the rudders automatically toeing in just before a cat shot?
The Plastic Bug is the first aircraft smart enough to fly itself off the cat. Previously, pilots put their hands up to show it was safe for the cat crew to attach the shuttle, pull the arming pins and otherwise be under and around the aircraft without getting their heads whacked by an elevator.
Or at least as safe as anyone can be on a flight deck.
The Plastic Bug is the first aircraft smart enough to fly itself off the cat. Previously, pilots put their hands up to show it was safe for the cat crew to attach the shuttle, pull the arming pins and otherwise be under and around the aircraft without getting their heads whacked by an elevator.
Or at least as safe as anyone can be on a flight deck.
Posted by: Fox2! at July 02, 2015 12:50 PM (uztdD)
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Calling Trump a buffoon and clown misunderestimates who he is and what he has accomplished. If you have paid attention to what he's done in New York and on TV he is quite impressive. When he speaks he injects his issue into the media culture, he can't be contained. Yes he's bombastic, yes he in no way is a coherent conservative. But, but, but...he's no pussy. He's got the Scotch-Irish desire for a fight. Something conservatives are absolutely desperate for in their leadership.
The GOP is a weak vessel into which to pour conservative hopes. When Rodham wins, conservatives should either rip the GOP party apart or start a new party. We will be faced with 16 years of marxists in the Presidency so only an ideologicallyl pure opposition party will have any chance of recovering the Presidency, even assuming that the left allows a post Rodham election to be held.
This time out as things stand now I think Cruz, with Fiorina as VIP are in a position to take the nominations and win against Rodham and the media.
The GOP is a weak vessel into which to pour conservative hopes. When Rodham wins, conservatives should either rip the GOP party apart or start a new party. We will be faced with 16 years of marxists in the Presidency so only an ideologicallyl pure opposition party will have any chance of recovering the Presidency, even assuming that the left allows a post Rodham election to be held.
This time out as things stand now I think Cruz, with Fiorina as VIP are in a position to take the nominations and win against Rodham and the media.
Posted by: Harold at July 02, 2015 12:51 PM (I2R/U)
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Or at least as safe as anyone can be on a flight deck.
Posted by: Fox2! at July 02, 2015 12:50 PM (uztdD)
Which, as a guy who watched two people die up there, is defined as 'kind of.'
Posted by: Fox2! at July 02, 2015 12:50 PM (uztdD)
Which, as a guy who watched two people die up there, is defined as 'kind of.'
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 12:52 PM (fwARV)
386
Do we, in short, need to rebuild the people before even thinking about refitting the government?"
Because there will be so much left by then... Because this naval gazing will help exactly nothing, because you are God or something, all the way from your little rec-room.
Here;s an idea, come back to the real world and work with real things to make real changes instead of narcissistically dreaming about being the guy that everyone runs to when society burns to figure out what we should do with the rubble you fucking megalomaniacal child.
Because there will be so much left by then... Because this naval gazing will help exactly nothing, because you are God or something, all the way from your little rec-room.
Here;s an idea, come back to the real world and work with real things to make real changes instead of narcissistically dreaming about being the guy that everyone runs to when society burns to figure out what we should do with the rubble you fucking megalomaniacal child.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 12:52 PM (EgbCN)
387
you fucking megalomaniacal child.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 12:52 PM (EgbCN)
Says the guy who's just finished posting about how his answers are right and Drew's are wrong.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 12:52 PM (EgbCN)
Says the guy who's just finished posting about how his answers are right and Drew's are wrong.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 12:53 PM (fwARV)
388
"Better yet, stop being a pussy and get off your pussy ass and go out and
do what you can to help save the country instead of working to g\ive
the democrats absolute control over the government. Because that makes
you a self defeating pussy."
Same old same old. What's he supposed to do, DMS?
More angry, indignant chickenshit conformity masquerading as "manning up."
Your sweet baboos gave the Senate majority you voted for them back to the Democrats via Corker, Cromnibus, TPP, etc... So we should totes support the GOP because Hillary! Bullshit. The only self-defeat operating here is on the part of rubes like yourself who continue to lick the turdsicle that is the GOP and tell us it tastes like chocolate.
Keep voting for people who refuse to vote conservative if you like, but don't act like it's the noble or informed choice, sucka.
do what you can to help save the country instead of working to g\ive
the democrats absolute control over the government. Because that makes
you a self defeating pussy."
Same old same old. What's he supposed to do, DMS?
More angry, indignant chickenshit conformity masquerading as "manning up."
Your sweet baboos gave the Senate majority you voted for them back to the Democrats via Corker, Cromnibus, TPP, etc... So we should totes support the GOP because Hillary! Bullshit. The only self-defeat operating here is on the part of rubes like yourself who continue to lick the turdsicle that is the GOP and tell us it tastes like chocolate.
Keep voting for people who refuse to vote conservative if you like, but don't act like it's the noble or informed choice, sucka.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 12:54 PM (WIOql)
389
IIRC the pilot has his hands up when the plane is connected to the catapult shuttle for a simple reason. Safety. Keeps him from accidentally putting inputs that might crash the plane at launch. Or is the hands up thing a Plastic Bug only feature to go with the rudders automatically toeing in just before a cat shot? Would have to look in the books.
And this is why I will bow to Washington Nearsider on his build.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 12:38 PM (/8So2)
Hmmm, I thought it was because, at least with the F/A - 18, the plane is designed to fly itself without pilot input for the first few seconds after cat shot, so as to limit the possibility of disoriented pilot error causing a crash during the shot.
And this is why I will bow to Washington Nearsider on his build.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 02, 2015 12:38 PM (/8So2)
Hmmm, I thought it was because, at least with the F/A - 18, the plane is designed to fly itself without pilot input for the first few seconds after cat shot, so as to limit the possibility of disoriented pilot error causing a crash during the shot.
Posted by: Oblig. at July 02, 2015 12:54 PM (72D6h)
390
I think we may see some arrests. Yippeee!!!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 02, 2015 12:54 PM (iQIUe)
391
380 Posted by: DrewM still sucks
Late, but at least you found a DrewM thread this time.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at July 02, 2015 12:49 PM (evdj2)
Yay, I found it.
Late, but at least you found a DrewM thread this time.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at July 02, 2015 12:49 PM (evdj2)
Yay, I found it.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 12:55 PM (EgbCN)
392
If Trump can be blacklisted because of his immigration views, can we start blacklisting commies again?
Posted by: zmdavid at July 02, 2015 12:55 PM (ipFOB)
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Face it: you hate much of the electorate and think half of it is made up of worthless parasites. Remember the famous 47%? The "takers," who can't take responsibility for themselves?
Yes, I do and yes, it is. If I had my way, a good 95% of people in this country would be permanently stripped of the right to vote.
Yes, I do and yes, it is. If I had my way, a good 95% of people in this country would be permanently stripped of the right to vote.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 02, 2015 12:57 PM (zF6Iw)
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Hmmm, I thought it was because, at least with the F/A - 18, the plane is designed to fly itself without pilot input for the first few seconds after cat shot, so as to limit the possibility of disoriented pilot error causing a crash during the shot.
Posted by: Oblig. at July 02, 2015 12:54 PM (72D6h)
True for the Hornet, not for the Tomcat, Viking, Prowler or Hawkeye.
It's for arming and the wipeout (automatic movement of all flight controls to demonstrate operability), along with showing the shooter that nothing is going to be changing in the cockpit during tension.
Posted by: Oblig. at July 02, 2015 12:54 PM (72D6h)
True for the Hornet, not for the Tomcat, Viking, Prowler or Hawkeye.
It's for arming and the wipeout (automatic movement of all flight controls to demonstrate operability), along with showing the shooter that nothing is going to be changing in the cockpit during tension.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 12:58 PM (fwARV)
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Unveil The Profit!
Has something to do with fake cakes!
The People United Will Never Be Defeated!
Cake!!!
Unveil The Profit!
Has something to do with fake cakes!
The People United Will Never Be Defeated!
Cake!!!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 02, 2015 12:58 PM (iQIUe)
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360
I'm going to throw this out there. It'll flop like a dead cat and smell
like week-old lutefisk, but I really, really feel the need to put this
out there.
We keep saying that culture is upstream of politics, but I wonder
how well we've internalized just how culture shapes politics. I keep
drifting back to John Adams' quote about the sort of people the
Constitution was meant for, and then I look around and realize that it
was a people we ain't got by and large, not anymore.
My personal "nighthawk", as it were: Is it possible that the "traditionalist statists"...have a point?
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No, you have a valid point. The Founders warned us that a virtuous and moral people were required to keep the USA moving forward and make the system work. And even if the movers and shakers were not such people in private, they would damn well act the part in public!
Unfortunately, in my lifetime there has been a concerted effort by the Left to re-shape the popular culture in thought, word, and deed to favor a Socialist state that at best paid only lip service to the Constitution, and at worst subverted it all points. It was only in 2002 that I realized how far the rot had spread, and 2004 before I had a chance to vote against it. And in Obummer's terms the rot has spread and thickened.
The Marxists in Democrats' clothing deliberately want to wreck traditional society so they can build the Utopia on the ruins. They don't give a hoot about illegals, Blacks, gheys, female college students, spotted owls, or Muslims in America. If the issue can be used to make our nation weaker and make it more vulnerable to radical transformation, so much the better. The USA of my youth would never have let Obama get to a primary ballot. The USA of my middle years elected him twice, and too many people of too many various groups cheer him on without understanding what they are endorsing.
I'm going to throw this out there. It'll flop like a dead cat and smell
like week-old lutefisk, but I really, really feel the need to put this
out there.
We keep saying that culture is upstream of politics, but I wonder
how well we've internalized just how culture shapes politics. I keep
drifting back to John Adams' quote about the sort of people the
Constitution was meant for, and then I look around and realize that it
was a people we ain't got by and large, not anymore.
My personal "nighthawk", as it were: Is it possible that the "traditionalist statists"...have a point?
-------------
No, you have a valid point. The Founders warned us that a virtuous and moral people were required to keep the USA moving forward and make the system work. And even if the movers and shakers were not such people in private, they would damn well act the part in public!
Unfortunately, in my lifetime there has been a concerted effort by the Left to re-shape the popular culture in thought, word, and deed to favor a Socialist state that at best paid only lip service to the Constitution, and at worst subverted it all points. It was only in 2002 that I realized how far the rot had spread, and 2004 before I had a chance to vote against it. And in Obummer's terms the rot has spread and thickened.
The Marxists in Democrats' clothing deliberately want to wreck traditional society so they can build the Utopia on the ruins. They don't give a hoot about illegals, Blacks, gheys, female college students, spotted owls, or Muslims in America. If the issue can be used to make our nation weaker and make it more vulnerable to radical transformation, so much the better. The USA of my youth would never have let Obama get to a primary ballot. The USA of my middle years elected him twice, and too many people of too many various groups cheer him on without understanding what they are endorsing.
Posted by: exdem13 at July 02, 2015 12:58 PM (ry4ab)
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387 you fucking megalomaniacal child.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 12:52 PM (EgbCN)
Says the guy who's just finished posting about how his answers are right and Drew's are wrong.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 12:53 PM (fwARV)
My answer: working to get the change you want in society.
'His answer, changing society itself by letting the country burn.
One is megalomaniacal and self defeating (Stupid is the word), the other is working for the opposition who is eating our lunch.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 12:52 PM (EgbCN)
Says the guy who's just finished posting about how his answers are right and Drew's are wrong.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 12:53 PM (fwARV)
My answer: working to get the change you want in society.
'His answer, changing society itself by letting the country burn.
One is megalomaniacal and self defeating (Stupid is the word), the other is working for the opposition who is eating our lunch.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 12:58 PM (EgbCN)
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societyis2blame, think I'm giving you my comment proxy for this thread, you're stealing my thoughts.
"More angry, indignant chickenshit conformity masquerading as "manning up."
Drew's post is quite cold and analytical, yet fairly and intelligently discusses the role of emotion, and yet it is attacked again as defeatist.
societyis2blame, think I'm giving you my comment proxy for this thread, you're stealing my thoughts.
"More angry, indignant chickenshit conformity masquerading as "manning up."
Drew's post is quite cold and analytical, yet fairly and intelligently discusses the role of emotion, and yet it is attacked again as defeatist.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 02, 2015 01:00 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at July 02, 2015 01:00 PM (u0lmX)
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"Here;s an idea, come back to the real world and work with real things to make real changes"
For the hundredth time, what work do you want us to do, who with, what changes should we make?
"Man up, get real" is a nice bumper sticker but where's the beef? You have no plan but "don't panic all is well" and "trust your leaders." Not good enough.
For the hundredth time, what work do you want us to do, who with, what changes should we make?
"Man up, get real" is a nice bumper sticker but where's the beef? You have no plan but "don't panic all is well" and "trust your leaders." Not good enough.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 01:01 PM (WIOql)
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If Trump can be blacklisted because of his immigration views, can we start blacklisting commies again?
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By which you mean blacklisting "progressive" Democrats? Yes, by all means!
If Trump can be blacklisted because of his immigration views, can we start blacklisting commies again?
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By which you mean blacklisting "progressive" Democrats? Yes, by all means!
Posted by: exdem13 at July 02, 2015 01:01 PM (ry4ab)
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My answer: working to get the change you want in society.
'His answer, changing society itself by letting the country burn.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 12:58 PM (EgbCN)
No. Your answer is 'keep doing what we're doing and all will be well.'
His answer is 'doing what we're doing isn't working. The following are additional options:...'
'His answer, changing society itself by letting the country burn.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 12:58 PM (EgbCN)
No. Your answer is 'keep doing what we're doing and all will be well.'
His answer is 'doing what we're doing isn't working. The following are additional options:...'
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 01:02 PM (fwARV)
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Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 12:54 PM (WIOql)
Same old same old. What's he supposed to do, DMS?
Realize we don't have time to re-invent the wheel and that destroying the system because we are too indolent to actually use it will just mean that it's replaced by something that we will be even more excluded from.
""More angry, indignant chickenshit conformity masquerading as "manning up."
Ummm, no, I've watched the communists and socialists frigging moon walk around the few of us who were trying to keep Obama out while idiots sat on their couch, ate cheetos and complemented themselves for letting it burn. That's chickenshit, that's stupid.
.. So we should totes support the GOP because Hillary! Bullshit.
No, you should get in the game and change it with realistic goals understanding that we are in the minority and aren't going to get everything we want whenever we want it.
""The only self-defeat operating here is on the part of rubes like yourself who continue to lick the turdsicle that is the GOP and tell us it tastes like chocolate. ""
Because senator Angle and O'Donnell have done such a great job for us. I get it, reality isn't fun but the rest of us have to live and toil in it. Leaving reality to pretend to be world leader and realign society around your pet peeves isn't particularly courageous but it does get the atta-boys here, which is more important than serving/saving the country, evidently.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 12:54 PM (WIOql)
Same old same old. What's he supposed to do, DMS?
Realize we don't have time to re-invent the wheel and that destroying the system because we are too indolent to actually use it will just mean that it's replaced by something that we will be even more excluded from.
""More angry, indignant chickenshit conformity masquerading as "manning up."
Ummm, no, I've watched the communists and socialists frigging moon walk around the few of us who were trying to keep Obama out while idiots sat on their couch, ate cheetos and complemented themselves for letting it burn. That's chickenshit, that's stupid.
.. So we should totes support the GOP because Hillary! Bullshit.
No, you should get in the game and change it with realistic goals understanding that we are in the minority and aren't going to get everything we want whenever we want it.
""The only self-defeat operating here is on the part of rubes like yourself who continue to lick the turdsicle that is the GOP and tell us it tastes like chocolate. ""
Because senator Angle and O'Donnell have done such a great job for us. I get it, reality isn't fun but the rest of us have to live and toil in it. Leaving reality to pretend to be world leader and realign society around your pet peeves isn't particularly courageous but it does get the atta-boys here, which is more important than serving/saving the country, evidently.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 01:06 PM (EgbCN)
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"My answer: working to get the change you want in society."
Working how? I talk with non-Republicans all the time and the persuasion rate is dismal. 95% of the time you can win a discreet argument and get them thinking, but three days later, they're right back to the same hokum, as Coulter often points out. Very few people still have the independence and critical thinking skills to break out of the cultural bell jar. Others have to hit the wall of life hard before they reboot their thinking, and when all you have to offer those shattered souls is the lukewarm pap served by the GOP, they're not buying. If persuading voters is "working" I do that every day in conversation, but I do it on the issues, not on the Party, because the minute I say GOP people laugh in my face - for good reason.
Working how? I talk with non-Republicans all the time and the persuasion rate is dismal. 95% of the time you can win a discreet argument and get them thinking, but three days later, they're right back to the same hokum, as Coulter often points out. Very few people still have the independence and critical thinking skills to break out of the cultural bell jar. Others have to hit the wall of life hard before they reboot their thinking, and when all you have to offer those shattered souls is the lukewarm pap served by the GOP, they're not buying. If persuading voters is "working" I do that every day in conversation, but I do it on the issues, not on the Party, because the minute I say GOP people laugh in my face - for good reason.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 01:09 PM (WIOql)
405
which is more important than serving/saving the country, evidently.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 01:06 PM (EgbCN)
I'd be interested to know what your service to your country looks like.
Define a realistic goal that you believe the GOP should pursue and can achieve.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 01:06 PM (EgbCN)
I'd be interested to know what your service to your country looks like.
Define a realistic goal that you believe the GOP should pursue and can achieve.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 01:09 PM (fwARV)
406
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 01:02 PM (fwARV)
No. Your answer is 'keep doing what we're doing and all will be well.'
Getting the idea that the only way you can address what I wrote is to mischaracterize it into something that I didn't.. What does that say about your argument when you can only address mine with a straw-man.? Good things?
No. Your answer is 'keep doing what we're doing and all will be well.'
Getting the idea that the only way you can address what I wrote is to mischaracterize it into something that I didn't.. What does that say about your argument when you can only address mine with a straw-man.? Good things?
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 01:09 PM (EgbCN)
407
OK, OT, but I just got an email about a sales event that says they will give you a 32 inch tv with a car purchase. That's kind of a cheapout promotion.
Posted by: Lea at July 02, 2015 12:32 PM (lIU4e)
How about they sell me the car for 2 grand less, and I don't take the effing TV?
Posted by: Lea at July 02, 2015 12:32 PM (lIU4e)
How about they sell me the car for 2 grand less, and I don't take the effing TV?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 02, 2015 01:10 PM (Wt2du)
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"...which is more important than serving/saving the country, evidently."
Serving/saving the GOP does not equal serving/saving the country. It hasn't for decades. It took me far too long to break my programming on that. You're obviously still eating blue pills like tic-tacs.
Serving/saving the GOP does not equal serving/saving the country. It hasn't for decades. It took me far too long to break my programming on that. You're obviously still eating blue pills like tic-tacs.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 01:11 PM (WIOql)
409
"Norman Borlaug". The greatest man that is unknown in probably all of history. A dream as old as man come true in the 1960's that almost no one knows about. Can you imagine our ancestral tribes disbelief? I really do have tears come into my eyes and start down my face when I think about this man. I brush them away and tell myself that I am just tired or something.
It has brought us the age of stupidity though.
It has brought us the age of stupidity though.
Posted by: Jack Hagan at July 02, 2015 01:12 PM (U1iMh)
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"Because senator Angle and O'Donnell have done such a great job for us."
They've done more than Senator McConnell or Senator Cochran, to name two, in that they haven't been in DC sucking up tax dollars and lobbyist lucre while selling the country down the river and subverting the wishes of their own voters. Your guys are a net loss to conservatism, my losing candidates are a wash at worst.
They've done more than Senator McConnell or Senator Cochran, to name two, in that they haven't been in DC sucking up tax dollars and lobbyist lucre while selling the country down the river and subverting the wishes of their own voters. Your guys are a net loss to conservatism, my losing candidates are a wash at worst.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 01:13 PM (WIOql)
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Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 01:09 PM (fwARV)
I'd be interested to know what your service to your country looks like.
Would a former officer in the USN do?
Define a realistic goal that you believe the GOP should pursue and can achieve.
Balancing the budget, paying down the debt, controlling the borders and reducing illegal immigration, all those good things that we supposedly want can be made to happen if we make them happen. The idea that it will come to us if we just let society burn and then people will see the error of their ways and come crawling back to us with tears in their eyes apologizing for not seeing how great we were is a passive aggressive pipe dream. Men don't think this way, actually. It's like a bitchy wife saying that you ought to know what you did...
It's never going to happen. It never has and never will.
I'd be interested to know what your service to your country looks like.
Would a former officer in the USN do?
Define a realistic goal that you believe the GOP should pursue and can achieve.
Balancing the budget, paying down the debt, controlling the borders and reducing illegal immigration, all those good things that we supposedly want can be made to happen if we make them happen. The idea that it will come to us if we just let society burn and then people will see the error of their ways and come crawling back to us with tears in their eyes apologizing for not seeing how great we were is a passive aggressive pipe dream. Men don't think this way, actually. It's like a bitchy wife saying that you ought to know what you did...
It's never going to happen. It never has and never will.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 01:14 PM (EgbCN)
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Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 01:11 PM (WIOql)
saving the GOP does not equal serving/saving the country.
Unless you have a replacement that everyone is willing to hop on at once then yes. It kind of does. Reforming the GOP is vital, but so is keeping the democrats out of power and bothe can be done with work, not pussying out.
saving the GOP does not equal serving/saving the country.
Unless you have a replacement that everyone is willing to hop on at once then yes. It kind of does. Reforming the GOP is vital, but so is keeping the democrats out of power and bothe can be done with work, not pussying out.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 01:17 PM (EgbCN)
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"Balancing the budget, paying down the debt, controlling the borders and
reducing illegal immigration, all those good things that we supposedly
want can be made to happen if we make them happen."
GOP voters have voted for all of those things for the last 30 post-Reagan years, with what results?
If we want it bad enough, it will happen
Really? Not when the people you vote for don't want what you want. Think about it.
reducing illegal immigration, all those good things that we supposedly
want can be made to happen if we make them happen."
GOP voters have voted for all of those things for the last 30 post-Reagan years, with what results?
If we want it bad enough, it will happen
Really? Not when the people you vote for don't want what you want. Think about it.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 01:17 PM (WIOql)
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@399
"I have two half-Mexican nephews I love very much.
It's the f'ing Serbs I can't stand."
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"There's two things I can't stand ... people who are intolerant of other people's cultures ... and the Dutch!"
"I have two half-Mexican nephews I love very much.
It's the f'ing Serbs I can't stand."
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"There's two things I can't stand ... people who are intolerant of other people's cultures ... and the Dutch!"
Posted by: Optimizer at July 02, 2015 01:18 PM (/q6+P)
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Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 01:13 PM (WIOql)
They've done more than.....
In a Republic you need to get elected to have influence. When did people start to forget that?
They've done more than.....
In a Republic you need to get elected to have influence. When did people start to forget that?
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 01:18 PM (EgbCN)
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Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 01:14 PM (EgbCN)
Of course it would. I was a wet AW. Anyone putting on a uniform counts. (Except Berghdal-types)
As to your goals, none of them are possible.
It's not that we want them to magically happen, it's that we're actively forbidden from pursuing them by our own representation. I know that fact isn't lost on you.
Whenever a new person is elected - after running on PRECISELY what you listed - they get to Congress and promptly change their minds. Inevitably.
So we vote them out (see: Cantor, Eric). And their replacement is sent to DC with strict instructions - keep your shit together.
And they don't.
Clearly what we're doing - electing candidates who speak well, articulate generally conservative ideas, et al. - isn't working. It's in fact, making things worse.
Given those conditions, I'm not sure 'burn it down' is the appropriate response, but we've gathered enough empirical data to know that 'changing our representation' isn't going to get it done.
Of course it would. I was a wet AW. Anyone putting on a uniform counts. (Except Berghdal-types)
As to your goals, none of them are possible.
It's not that we want them to magically happen, it's that we're actively forbidden from pursuing them by our own representation. I know that fact isn't lost on you.
Whenever a new person is elected - after running on PRECISELY what you listed - they get to Congress and promptly change their minds. Inevitably.
So we vote them out (see: Cantor, Eric). And their replacement is sent to DC with strict instructions - keep your shit together.
And they don't.
Clearly what we're doing - electing candidates who speak well, articulate generally conservative ideas, et al. - isn't working. It's in fact, making things worse.
Given those conditions, I'm not sure 'burn it down' is the appropriate response, but we've gathered enough empirical data to know that 'changing our representation' isn't going to get it done.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 01:21 PM (fwARV)
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To use your parlance, DMS, I'd rather "pussy out" than "blank out" in the Randian usage - the act of deliberately turning my mind off and thinking HappyThoughts when my desires aren't lining up with reality. Your leaders don't want what you want. The evidence is Everest-high. Look up and see the mountain. Or smell it, considering what it's made of.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 01:21 PM (WIOql)
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Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 01:17 PM (WIOql)
If we want it bad enough, it will happen
No, you vote for the person you can persuade and then you persuade them. We have gotten the idea that voting is the end of your responsibility, it's wrong, lazy and stupid. You vote for the person who you don't have to fight on every topic and then you work to make them do what you sent them to office to do.
We don't. We flip the lever on election day and go home and complain on the web. The other side keeps at them and that's why they are running the show.
If we want it bad enough, it will happen
No, you vote for the person you can persuade and then you persuade them. We have gotten the idea that voting is the end of your responsibility, it's wrong, lazy and stupid. You vote for the person who you don't have to fight on every topic and then you work to make them do what you sent them to office to do.
We don't. We flip the lever on election day and go home and complain on the web. The other side keeps at them and that's why they are running the show.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 01:22 PM (EgbCN)
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"Yes, I do and yes, it is. If I had my way, a good 95% of people in this country would be permanently stripped of the right to vote."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 02, 2015 12:57 PM (zF6Iw)
Nice. Democracy! Populism! Will of the People!
Just only the people you approve of.
Got it.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 02, 2015 12:57 PM (zF6Iw)
Nice. Democracy! Populism! Will of the People!
Just only the people you approve of.
Got it.
Posted by: p at July 02, 2015 01:22 PM (Cp1w2)
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"In a Republic you need to get elected to have influence. When did people start to forget that?"
To achieve my goals, those who we elect must use that influence toward my aims, not merely their own aggrandizement, enrichment, media approval or bi-partisan cred.
When will you bother to learn that?
To achieve my goals, those who we elect must use that influence toward my aims, not merely their own aggrandizement, enrichment, media approval or bi-partisan cred.
When will you bother to learn that?
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 01:25 PM (WIOql)
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MPPPP: how about limiting it to white male property owners?
That worked out great the first time.
Just a suggestion.
That worked out great the first time.
Just a suggestion.
Posted by: p at July 02, 2015 01:25 PM (Cp1w2)
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MPPPP: how about limiting it to white male property owners?
That worked out great the first time.
Just a suggestion.
Posted by: p at July 02, 2015 01:25 PM (Cp1w2)
How about just net tax-payers and the military?
That worked out great the first time.
Just a suggestion.
Posted by: p at July 02, 2015 01:25 PM (Cp1w2)
How about just net tax-payers and the military?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 01:27 PM (fwARV)
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"soaring approval ratings for Obama"
Man this country is f-ed up.
That being said - and as Ace has opined - these people are superficial, and climbing on the bandwagon of the winner. As the reality of ObamaCare (SCOTUSCare) increases, and as SSM becomes a witch hunt against the churches, that will evaporate. People still like their churches, I think, even if they aren't very devout, and I can't believe that anybody has newly become a fan of ObamaCare.
Man this country is f-ed up.
That being said - and as Ace has opined - these people are superficial, and climbing on the bandwagon of the winner. As the reality of ObamaCare (SCOTUSCare) increases, and as SSM becomes a witch hunt against the churches, that will evaporate. People still like their churches, I think, even if they aren't very devout, and I can't believe that anybody has newly become a fan of ObamaCare.
Posted by: Optimizer at July 02, 2015 01:30 PM (/q6+P)
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When will you bother to learn that?
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 01:25 PM (WIOql)
He creepily stalks DrewM for God's sake. Learning likely isn't something he's capable of. He needs an establishment stooge to feed him talking points to regurgitate.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 01:25 PM (WIOql)
He creepily stalks DrewM for God's sake. Learning likely isn't something he's capable of. He needs an establishment stooge to feed him talking points to regurgitate.
Posted by: buzzion at July 02, 2015 01:31 PM (zt+N6)
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Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at July 02, 2015 01:21 PM (fwARV)
""As to your goals, none of them are possible.""
So give up on the country... Of course they are possible. They have been done before. If you look at the budget mess Canada has dug itself out of you can see how it could be done here. Eisenhauer had the birder controlled. These things can be done and if they CAN be done we have an obligation to MAKE them be done.
The amazing thing to me is the only thing that really stands between us and achieving 90% of what we want are a bunch of pajama-boys,. Have we really become so decadent that we are willing to cede power to them because it's hard to guard our birthright?
""It's not that we want them to magically happen, it's that we're actively forbidden from pursuing them by our own representation""
If we got in there and scared them then they wouldn't be forbidding us from doing anything. If we really got organized rather than listening to the defeatist drivel that you get here they would do their jobs. I've seen it on the municipal level, it can be done on the federal.
""I know that fact isn't lost on you.""
Thanks for at least not telling me I eat turds because I want us to push back rather than roll over and take it.
""Whenever a new person is elected - after running on PRECISELY what you listed - they get to Congress and promptly change their minds. Inevitably. ""
They are politicians which are usually subhuman garbage. They can be made to do the right thing with the right carrots and the right sticks.
""As to your goals, none of them are possible.""
So give up on the country... Of course they are possible. They have been done before. If you look at the budget mess Canada has dug itself out of you can see how it could be done here. Eisenhauer had the birder controlled. These things can be done and if they CAN be done we have an obligation to MAKE them be done.
The amazing thing to me is the only thing that really stands between us and achieving 90% of what we want are a bunch of pajama-boys,. Have we really become so decadent that we are willing to cede power to them because it's hard to guard our birthright?
""It's not that we want them to magically happen, it's that we're actively forbidden from pursuing them by our own representation""
If we got in there and scared them then they wouldn't be forbidding us from doing anything. If we really got organized rather than listening to the defeatist drivel that you get here they would do their jobs. I've seen it on the municipal level, it can be done on the federal.
""I know that fact isn't lost on you.""
Thanks for at least not telling me I eat turds because I want us to push back rather than roll over and take it.
""Whenever a new person is elected - after running on PRECISELY what you listed - they get to Congress and promptly change their minds. Inevitably. ""
They are politicians which are usually subhuman garbage. They can be made to do the right thing with the right carrots and the right sticks.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 01:31 PM (EgbCN)
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"You vote for the person who you don't have to fight on every topic and
then you work to make them do what you sent them to office to do."
Once you give them your vote, they don't give a flying fuck what you want - see every day post November 2012.
You use the word "work" like Obama uses the word "invest" or magicians use "abracadabra."
Are you saying call their offices? We've done that. Stop funding them? Oh, wait, that means they might lose to a Democrat, and that would be bad for "the country." Guess what - they still piss on us and tell us its raining.
They understand one thing - losing. That comes by denying them votes and money.
Like John Boehner and the power of the purse, your idea of negotiating with them to force them to be conservative is to preemptively surrender your only effective leverage then prevail on their good intentions, or their badfeels about you being mad or sad at them. Look at the last 30 years and tell us all how that's been working.
then you work to make them do what you sent them to office to do."
Once you give them your vote, they don't give a flying fuck what you want - see every day post November 2012.
You use the word "work" like Obama uses the word "invest" or magicians use "abracadabra."
Are you saying call their offices? We've done that. Stop funding them? Oh, wait, that means they might lose to a Democrat, and that would be bad for "the country." Guess what - they still piss on us and tell us its raining.
They understand one thing - losing. That comes by denying them votes and money.
Like John Boehner and the power of the purse, your idea of negotiating with them to force them to be conservative is to preemptively surrender your only effective leverage then prevail on their good intentions, or their badfeels about you being mad or sad at them. Look at the last 30 years and tell us all how that's been working.
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Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 01:25 PM (WIOql)
To achieve my goals, those who we elect must use that influence toward my aims, not merely their own aggrandizement, enrichment, media approval or bi-partisan cred.
Yes, you are almost there.... we need to get organized and make them rather than just giving up... that's the rest of it. It can be done, I know this because the other side does it.
To achieve my goals, those who we elect must use that influence toward my aims, not merely their own aggrandizement, enrichment, media approval or bi-partisan cred.
Yes, you are almost there.... we need to get organized and make them rather than just giving up... that's the rest of it. It can be done, I know this because the other side does it.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 01:33 PM (EgbCN)
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He creepily stalks DrewM for God's sake. Learning likely isn't something he's capable of. He needs an establishment stooge to feed him talking points to regurgitate.
Posted by: buzzion at July 02, 2015 01:31 PM (zt+N6)
Am I interrupting your pity party?
He creepily stalks DrewM for God's sake. Learning likely isn't something he's capable of. He needs an establishment stooge to feed him talking points to regurgitate.
Posted by: buzzion at July 02, 2015 01:31 PM (zt+N6)
Am I interrupting your pity party?
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 01:34 PM (EgbCN)
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I'm not sure it's fair to call Trump a liberal, but he seems to be at least a crony capitalist. Most of what he's got going for him is name recognition, but he actually DOES have some good and meaningful things to say. You can actually TELL that from how they have "Romnied" him recently.
As when Romney said "I like to be ABLE to fire people," which is certainly not even controversial, and they turned it into "I like to fire people", Trump has his Mexico thing. They took some akin to "Mexico is sending us its criminals" and turned it into "Mexicans are criminals". Why does anybody let them get away with this?
As when Romney said "I like to be ABLE to fire people," which is certainly not even controversial, and they turned it into "I like to fire people", Trump has his Mexico thing. They took some akin to "Mexico is sending us its criminals" and turned it into "Mexicans are criminals". Why does anybody let them get away with this?
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Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 01:31 PM (WIOql)
"Once you give them your vote, they don't give a flying fuck what you want - see every day post November 2012. "
When is the last time you wrote an e-mail, made a call, sent some cash in, cornered these people and yelled at them, I mean literally yelled at them. I do, I have and if conservatives did we would have a punch outside of our weight class which is what we should be after.
You use the word "work" like Obama uses the word "invest" or magicians use "abracadabra."
It's the cornerstone of conservatism, work. Somehow that's been forgotten as well.
"Are you saying call their offices? We've done that. "
No, "WE" haven't. For the cromnibus calls were 50/50. the other side actually employs people to do that, we have to do it ourselves and we don't.
"Stop funding them? "
Or reward good behavior. That's the other side,.
"They understand one thing - losing."
They understand power and want to keep it. They also understand that if their constituency is united behind something they wont. Your solution? Disunite and let it burn. That's effectively treason.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 01:31 PM (WIOql)
"Once you give them your vote, they don't give a flying fuck what you want - see every day post November 2012. "
When is the last time you wrote an e-mail, made a call, sent some cash in, cornered these people and yelled at them, I mean literally yelled at them. I do, I have and if conservatives did we would have a punch outside of our weight class which is what we should be after.
You use the word "work" like Obama uses the word "invest" or magicians use "abracadabra."
It's the cornerstone of conservatism, work. Somehow that's been forgotten as well.
"Are you saying call their offices? We've done that. "
No, "WE" haven't. For the cromnibus calls were 50/50. the other side actually employs people to do that, we have to do it ourselves and we don't.
"Stop funding them? "
Or reward good behavior. That's the other side,.
"They understand one thing - losing."
They understand power and want to keep it. They also understand that if their constituency is united behind something they wont. Your solution? Disunite and let it burn. That's effectively treason.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 01:39 PM (EgbCN)
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"Yes, you are almost there.... we need to get organized and make them rather than just giving up"
We're not giving up on politics - we're giving up on the GOP politicians. I was trapped in this sort of binary logic once - opposing the Dems must be done through the GOP. That's how the GOP comes to own you and take you for granted.
Pace Mark Levin, you can't reform the GOP from within. They'd rather be junior partners in the Uniparty than change business as usual in D.C. As Boehner and McConnell have repeatedly demonstrated, they will work with the Dems to keep conservatives who might change things marginalized. Why work with those kind of headwinds?
We'd have more influence as a tiny third party than a straight-jacketed, gagged and forgotten majority of the GOP.
We're not giving up on politics - we're giving up on the GOP politicians. I was trapped in this sort of binary logic once - opposing the Dems must be done through the GOP. That's how the GOP comes to own you and take you for granted.
Pace Mark Levin, you can't reform the GOP from within. They'd rather be junior partners in the Uniparty than change business as usual in D.C. As Boehner and McConnell have repeatedly demonstrated, they will work with the Dems to keep conservatives who might change things marginalized. Why work with those kind of headwinds?
We'd have more influence as a tiny third party than a straight-jacketed, gagged and forgotten majority of the GOP.
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Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 01:41 PM (WIOql)
""We're not giving up on politics - we're giving up on the GOP politicians.""
Because there is a viable alternative right in your little hand. Oh wait, there isn't. Unless you can get everyone to make the jump at once you are just empowering democrats and the only way you could get everyone to jump on to a new party is to bring all the same problems and disagreements that the GOP has to it.
Reinventing the wheel isn't going to do it and besides, we are out of time.
"That's how the GOP comes to own you and take you for granted."
Politicians take us for granted because we believe that voting is the end of our duty to the republic, we need to work to hold them accountable.
" Mark Levin, you can't reform the GOP from within."
You are taking something out of context, this is precisely what we need to do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEVI3bmN8TI
We'd have more influence as a tiny third party...
Umm, no. We don't live in a parliamentary system. Winner takes all in the USA. We don't build coalitions. All we would do is split the right and elect the worst of the worst.
""We're not giving up on politics - we're giving up on the GOP politicians.""
Because there is a viable alternative right in your little hand. Oh wait, there isn't. Unless you can get everyone to make the jump at once you are just empowering democrats and the only way you could get everyone to jump on to a new party is to bring all the same problems and disagreements that the GOP has to it.
Reinventing the wheel isn't going to do it and besides, we are out of time.
"That's how the GOP comes to own you and take you for granted."
Politicians take us for granted because we believe that voting is the end of our duty to the republic, we need to work to hold them accountable.
" Mark Levin, you can't reform the GOP from within."
You are taking something out of context, this is precisely what we need to do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEVI3bmN8TI
We'd have more influence as a tiny third party...
Umm, no. We don't live in a parliamentary system. Winner takes all in the USA. We don't build coalitions. All we would do is split the right and elect the worst of the worst.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 01:51 PM (EgbCN)
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"That's effectively treason."
When you inevitably turn this card in every argument is the precise point at which I give up trying to discuss these issues with you. It's your version of a liberal calling me racist - it's your safe word for "shut up."
We're the ones fighting for the letter and spirit of the Constitution. We're not going to be cowed by GOP-PC buzzwords and GroupThink tactics.
When you inevitably turn this card in every argument is the precise point at which I give up trying to discuss these issues with you. It's your version of a liberal calling me racist - it's your safe word for "shut up."
We're the ones fighting for the letter and spirit of the Constitution. We're not going to be cowed by GOP-PC buzzwords and GroupThink tactics.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 01:56 PM (WIOql)
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OK one last response after the "treason" nonsense.
"We don't live in a parliamentary system"
That's a false dichotomy. We don't live in a mandatory two-party system either see Senator Sanders, Senator Lieberman. A third party can serve as the same kind of pivot/swing vote that a lesser coalition member does in a proportional representation system. Add in the fact that our messaging and identity would be vastly clarified and our resources devoted to fewer candidates who'd "false flag" us for cash and votes, and we end up better in the end - after years of building up, of course. This isn't a short term project and we're not going to be running for President any time soon.
"We don't live in a parliamentary system"
That's a false dichotomy. We don't live in a mandatory two-party system either see Senator Sanders, Senator Lieberman. A third party can serve as the same kind of pivot/swing vote that a lesser coalition member does in a proportional representation system. Add in the fact that our messaging and identity would be vastly clarified and our resources devoted to fewer candidates who'd "false flag" us for cash and votes, and we end up better in the end - after years of building up, of course. This isn't a short term project and we're not going to be running for President any time soon.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 02:04 PM (WIOql)
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" For the cromnibus calls were 50/50."
Only a lying douchebag would wait to see if 60 percent of Republicans would call him to demand he not fund everything he just ran against.
We have no obligation to demand what we were promised. What we need is replacement of such liars.
Only a lying douchebag would wait to see if 60 percent of Republicans would call him to demand he not fund everything he just ran against.
We have no obligation to demand what we were promised. What we need is replacement of such liars.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 02, 2015 02:11 PM (8rRE+)
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Not only hard conservatives have received nothing, nada, zip from these elected so-called Republicans. Neither have "soft" conservatives, libertarians, classical liberals, independents. Only Marxist-big government types (under labels of progressives, or even, liberal) have triumphed after they lied to all of us. Enough. I will not vote for another one. There are no "liberals" in the bunch. Liberals are not crony corporatists, more-and-more-big-government and government-give-away types; liberals are not against states rights or individual rights. Do not dumb down the English language and let Marxist-fascist-elitist types redefine American values and loyal, patriotic opponents.
Posted by: pyromancer76 at July 02, 2015 02:15 PM (zvcr8)
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433 "That's effectively treason."
When you inevitably turn this card in every argument is the precise point at which I give up trying to discuss these issues with you.
Look at the damage that the Obama administration has doe to this country and tell me that "letting it burn" ie giving them power isn't treason. It is, and it's made more galling that it was done out of laziness, self pity and petulance. People died for this country, be worthy of what has been given to you on a silver fucking platter.
We're the ones fighting for the letter and spirit of the Constitution
YOU AREN'T FIGHTING FOR ANYTHING! Rolling over ant taking it isn't FIGHTING! Chanting your bumpersticker reasoning handed down by a loser isn't fighting.
When you inevitably turn this card in every argument is the precise point at which I give up trying to discuss these issues with you.
Look at the damage that the Obama administration has doe to this country and tell me that "letting it burn" ie giving them power isn't treason. It is, and it's made more galling that it was done out of laziness, self pity and petulance. People died for this country, be worthy of what has been given to you on a silver fucking platter.
We're the ones fighting for the letter and spirit of the Constitution
YOU AREN'T FIGHTING FOR ANYTHING! Rolling over ant taking it isn't FIGHTING! Chanting your bumpersticker reasoning handed down by a loser isn't fighting.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 02:26 PM (EgbCN)
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" I get it, reality isn't fun but the rest of us have to live and toil in it."
I make no such concession. Drop dead!
I make no such concession. Drop dead!
Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 02, 2015 02:28 PM (8rRE+)
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"Rolling over ant taking it isn't FIGHTING! "
This from the guy who called for reasonable goals based on a recognition that we are in the minority and can't get what we want.
This from the guy who called for reasonable goals based on a recognition that we are in the minority and can't get what we want.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 02, 2015 02:29 PM (8rRE+)
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Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at July 02, 2015 02:04 PM (WIOql)
"We don't live in a parliamentary system"
"That's a false dichotomy. "
It's reality. You need to win to have a say in government.
"We don't live in a mandatory two-party system either"
It's not mandatory but it's reality. Reality is something that people like you and drew grapple with,. The 2 party system arose because people quickly realized that they needed to make coalitions to get the necessary votes to gain representation.
"see Senator Sanders, Senator Lieberman. "
Or president Ross Perot or Jesse Ventura.
""A third party can serve as the same kind of pivot/swing vote that a lesser coalition member does in a proportional representation system.""
In practical terms all it's done is act as a spoiler and help elect the opposite of what the party is advocating.
"Add in the fact that our messaging and identity would be vastly clarified and our resources devoted to fewer candidates who'd "false flag" us for cash and votes, and we end up better in the end -"
"False flag?" Great. No, you don't gain influence by losing elections.
"after years of building up, of course. This isn't a short term project and we're not going to be running for President any time soon."
Good thing we have all that time... Oh wait, we don't. If you aren't going to do the work to reform the GOP why should anyone believe that you are going to do even more work to build a 3rd party?
"We don't live in a parliamentary system"
"That's a false dichotomy. "
It's reality. You need to win to have a say in government.
"We don't live in a mandatory two-party system either"
It's not mandatory but it's reality. Reality is something that people like you and drew grapple with,. The 2 party system arose because people quickly realized that they needed to make coalitions to get the necessary votes to gain representation.
"see Senator Sanders, Senator Lieberman. "
Or president Ross Perot or Jesse Ventura.
""A third party can serve as the same kind of pivot/swing vote that a lesser coalition member does in a proportional representation system.""
In practical terms all it's done is act as a spoiler and help elect the opposite of what the party is advocating.
"Add in the fact that our messaging and identity would be vastly clarified and our resources devoted to fewer candidates who'd "false flag" us for cash and votes, and we end up better in the end -"
"False flag?" Great. No, you don't gain influence by losing elections.
"after years of building up, of course. This isn't a short term project and we're not going to be running for President any time soon."
Good thing we have all that time... Oh wait, we don't. If you aren't going to do the work to reform the GOP why should anyone believe that you are going to do even more work to build a 3rd party?
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 02:34 PM (EgbCN)
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Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 02, 2015 02:11 PM (8rRE+)
"Only a lying douchebag would wait to see if 60 percent of Republicans would call him to demand he not fund everything he just ran against. "
Politician = lying douchebag. If they aren't when we send them to Washington they soon will be.
"We have no obligation to demand what we were promised."
Welcome to the real world.
"What we need is replacement of such liars."
Primary them. (But that takes work as well, see what we are up against?)
"Only a lying douchebag would wait to see if 60 percent of Republicans would call him to demand he not fund everything he just ran against. "
Politician = lying douchebag. If they aren't when we send them to Washington they soon will be.
"We have no obligation to demand what we were promised."
Welcome to the real world.
"What we need is replacement of such liars."
Primary them. (But that takes work as well, see what we are up against?)
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 02:37 PM (EgbCN)
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Reality is that the Republican Party is run by people who are not capable of governing. They believe they are smart enough to lie to everybody all the time. They fail to recognize that they cannot fool everybody all the time. They are going to lose big in November 2016 and they will continue to lose until they are replaced.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 02, 2015 02:38 PM (8rRE+)
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439 "Rolling over and taking it isn't FIGHTING! "
This from the guy who called for reasonable goals based on a recognition that we are in the minority and can't get (Always) what we want.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 02, 2015 02:29 PM (8rRE+)
Yes, you wrote that. You really did.
This from the guy who called for reasonable goals based on a recognition that we are in the minority and can't get (Always) what we want.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 02, 2015 02:29 PM (8rRE+)
Yes, you wrote that. You really did.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 02:39 PM (EgbCN)
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443 I was quoting you from 403. You are running away in lock step with the "leadership" and calling it fighting.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 02, 2015 02:42 PM (8rRE+)
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Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 02, 2015 02:38 PM (8rRE+)"
"Reality is that the Republican Party is run by people who are not capable of governing."
Should be easier to force them to do what we want then.
"They believe they are smart enough to lie to everybody all the time."
Why wouldn't they? We are letting it burn.
"They fail to recognize that they cannot fool everybody all the time."
You sure about that?
"They are going to lose big in November 2016 and they will continue to lose until they are replaced."
With what? The magical unicorn and rainbow factory that is the treehouse that you folks seem to issue your edicts from? The Hee-man woman haters club is going to replace the stuff of Reagan? What color is the sky in your little world?
Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 02, 2015 02:38 PM (8rRE+)"
"Reality is that the Republican Party is run by people who are not capable of governing."
Should be easier to force them to do what we want then.
"They believe they are smart enough to lie to everybody all the time."
Why wouldn't they? We are letting it burn.
"They fail to recognize that they cannot fool everybody all the time."
You sure about that?
"They are going to lose big in November 2016 and they will continue to lose until they are replaced."
With what? The magical unicorn and rainbow factory that is the treehouse that you folks seem to issue your edicts from? The Hee-man woman haters club is going to replace the stuff of Reagan? What color is the sky in your little world?
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 02:44 PM (EgbCN)
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"Primary them. (But that takes work as well, see what we are up against?)"
There's also defeat in the general. We're working on that one.
"With what?"
With people who will govern as they promised in the campaign. Once your crew is out of office, they will lose the resources they need to drown the opposition.
"The magical unicorn and rainbow factory that is the treehouse that you folks seem to issue your edicts from? "
Anonymous twaddle.
There's also defeat in the general. We're working on that one.
"With what?"
With people who will govern as they promised in the campaign. Once your crew is out of office, they will lose the resources they need to drown the opposition.
"The magical unicorn and rainbow factory that is the treehouse that you folks seem to issue your edicts from? "
Anonymous twaddle.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 02, 2015 02:48 PM (8rRE+)
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444 443 I was quoting you from 403.
I was told there wouldn't be any math.
You are running away in lock step with the "leadership" and calling it fighting.
No, that's not what I am doing. I am sating that it's smarter, faster and easier to reform the GOP than to reinvent the political system. I'm saying that people who want to reinvent the political system by letting it collapse are kidding themselves and living in a mentally mastribotory world where everyone is going to come grovel to them over the rubble and say "Gee, what do we do now?" it's never going to happen. Ever. Really... ever. The world isn't going to beat a path to your treehouse and say "save us from ourselves". It's a pathetic joke that anyone has been able to sell this...
I was told there wouldn't be any math.
You are running away in lock step with the "leadership" and calling it fighting.
No, that's not what I am doing. I am sating that it's smarter, faster and easier to reform the GOP than to reinvent the political system. I'm saying that people who want to reinvent the political system by letting it collapse are kidding themselves and living in a mentally mastribotory world where everyone is going to come grovel to them over the rubble and say "Gee, what do we do now?" it's never going to happen. Ever. Really... ever. The world isn't going to beat a path to your treehouse and say "save us from ourselves". It's a pathetic joke that anyone has been able to sell this...
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 02:48 PM (EgbCN)
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Reform of the GOP will come when it loses the House, Senate, and White House in record numbers. When it can't pretend it is just fighting to get the last holdouts of the Democrats and steamroller their liberal agenda. When it has to confront its own failure to govern. When it has to start out equal in power and influence to the Tea Party. Then we will have reform of the GOP. Maybe. But it can't hurt to try it.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 02, 2015 02:51 PM (8rRE+)
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446 "Primary them. (But that takes work as well, see what we are up against?)"
There's also defeat in the general. We're working on that one. "
So you admit you are working to elect the likes of Clinton and Obama outy of conservative principles. LOL.... Could it be that you have been duped?
"With people who will govern as they promised in the campaign."
So unless you can vote for Christ you are going to shoot yourself in the foot. Have you ever heard that power corrupts?
"Once your crew is out of office, they will lose the resources they need to drown the opposition. "
Again, fantasy land stuff. The country isn't where you are and you aren't going to get a landslide of rock ribbed conservatives to drown out anything. The best you can do is get people who will come to heel when we demand it. But again, that's work rather than imagineering.
There's also defeat in the general. We're working on that one. "
So you admit you are working to elect the likes of Clinton and Obama outy of conservative principles. LOL.... Could it be that you have been duped?
"With people who will govern as they promised in the campaign."
So unless you can vote for Christ you are going to shoot yourself in the foot. Have you ever heard that power corrupts?
"Once your crew is out of office, they will lose the resources they need to drown the opposition. "
Again, fantasy land stuff. The country isn't where you are and you aren't going to get a landslide of rock ribbed conservatives to drown out anything. The best you can do is get people who will come to heel when we demand it. But again, that's work rather than imagineering.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 02:52 PM (EgbCN)
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Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 02, 2015 02:51 PM
448" Reform of the GOP will come when it loses the House, Senate, and White House in record numbers."
Gee, that';s just what happened in 2008, right? It was all reformed and that's why you are satisfied.
No. Losses don't guarantee reform. That's another fantacy land rule that got stuck in your head. It's a non sequitur. I remember hearing that we had to go through Carter to get to Reagan... Where was Reagan in 2012?
".... Then we will have reform of the GOP. Maybe. But it can't hurt to try it."
Look at the debt. Look at the demographics shift. Look at the expansion of government. Yes, every day is hurting.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 02, 2015 02:51 PM
448" Reform of the GOP will come when it loses the House, Senate, and White House in record numbers."
Gee, that';s just what happened in 2008, right? It was all reformed and that's why you are satisfied.
No. Losses don't guarantee reform. That's another fantacy land rule that got stuck in your head. It's a non sequitur. I remember hearing that we had to go through Carter to get to Reagan... Where was Reagan in 2012?
".... Then we will have reform of the GOP. Maybe. But it can't hurt to try it."
Look at the debt. Look at the demographics shift. Look at the expansion of government. Yes, every day is hurting.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 02:57 PM (EgbCN)
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Posted by: Optimizer at July 02, 2015 01:38 PM (/q6+P)
People cannot think for themselves, so they need to have others provide their opinions for them. Hence, rainbows all over my Facebook feed.
People cannot think for themselves, so they need to have others provide their opinions for them. Hence, rainbows all over my Facebook feed.
Posted by: Nutsy the Buzzard at July 02, 2015 02:59 PM (lJJaE)
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It is pointless to throw anonymous insults.
Yeah we got reform in 2008. Not improvement, really, but reformation. Time to try it again.
Yeah we got reform in 2008. Not improvement, really, but reformation. Time to try it again.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 02, 2015 03:00 PM (8rRE+)
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Cant thump the Trump!
GOP has zero trust with alot of people. Thats why we stay home. Many people believe we arent voting our way out of this.
F**k the political class, Voting Trump is a giant FU to the media and the GOP establishment.
Good enough for me (and alot of others)
GOP has zero trust with alot of people. Thats why we stay home. Many people believe we arent voting our way out of this.
F**k the political class, Voting Trump is a giant FU to the media and the GOP establishment.
Good enough for me (and alot of others)
Posted by: bigman2762@yahoo.com at July 02, 2015 03:07 PM (kf36l)
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YEAH! this whole post + comments ...from all of us to the tone-deaf Republicans ears......
Susan Lee
Susan Lee
Posted by: Susan Lee at July 02, 2015 03:21 PM (2PJga)
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Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 02, 2015 03:00 PM (8rRE+)452
"It is pointless to throw anonymous insults. "
I'll keep that in mind for the reaction I get the next time I point out that Letting the country "burn" because you think it's going to teach people a lesson about civic responsibility is just about the most retarded idea in human history and is inherently treasonous.
Insults are bad and hurt people's feelings, check.
"Yeah we got reform in 2008."
Are you kidding? Then why are you still trying to burn the place down?
"Not improvement, really, but reformation."
Is that a joke? Satire? How can you have one without the other?
"Time to try it again."
Because it didn't work last time this time people will learn their lesson and come beating a path to you and DrewM to be lead out of the wilderness because of your inspiring "sit on the couch" strategy...
"It is pointless to throw anonymous insults. "
I'll keep that in mind for the reaction I get the next time I point out that Letting the country "burn" because you think it's going to teach people a lesson about civic responsibility is just about the most retarded idea in human history and is inherently treasonous.
Insults are bad and hurt people's feelings, check.
"Yeah we got reform in 2008."
Are you kidding? Then why are you still trying to burn the place down?
"Not improvement, really, but reformation."
Is that a joke? Satire? How can you have one without the other?
"Time to try it again."
Because it didn't work last time this time people will learn their lesson and come beating a path to you and DrewM to be lead out of the wilderness because of your inspiring "sit on the couch" strategy...
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 03:21 PM (EgbCN)
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"I'll keep that in mind for the reaction I get the next time I point out that Letting the country "burn" because you think it's going to teach people a lesson about civic responsibility is just about the most retarded idea in human history and is inherently treasonous. "
What enemies of the United States does it help again? Treason is defined in the Constitution so you can't abuse it like this.
You're an enemy of good government. Your crew will be destroyed as a first step on the road back.
What enemies of the United States does it help again? Treason is defined in the Constitution so you can't abuse it like this.
You're an enemy of good government. Your crew will be destroyed as a first step on the road back.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 02, 2015 03:24 PM (8rRE+)
Posted by: Casual Indifference at July 02, 2015 03:32 PM (kf36l)
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Rubio or Jeb would just be Hillary light. I'd rather have a politically incorrect Trump. At least I know where he stands.
Posted by: Michael Sebastian at July 02, 2015 03:44 PM (mrYey)
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"What enemies of the United States does it help again? "
The democrats, the socialists, the communists, the racial grievance mongers, the people who want to recreate the country in their own image because they think they are made of better stuff than Jefferson, Madison and Washington, you know, them. It helps them to empower them to punish the electorate for doing the wrong thing and the only result that comes from it is a mess that will have to be cleaned up with a lot more effort than it would have taken to stop it.
"Your crew will be destroyed as a first step on the road back."
My crew? The people who want to preserve the republic for a future date? Let me ask you, if you could side with the democrats to make a mess why wouldn't the people who disagree with you ion the GOP? or in this magical new party? If you don't have the integrity to work for what you actually want why should everyone else?
It's rhetorical because all that you are really doing is making yourself irrelevant, which probably why DrewM is and the democrats have been pushing for this again.
No one is going to destroy me or people like me because that would involve work and that's what you folks are really afraid of having to do. You have been promised what you want by playing spoiler but it doesn't work that way. DrewM is like a fat man promising other fat men they can lose weight with the new icecream diet and you are buying it.
"What enemies of the United States does it help again? "
The democrats, the socialists, the communists, the racial grievance mongers, the people who want to recreate the country in their own image because they think they are made of better stuff than Jefferson, Madison and Washington, you know, them. It helps them to empower them to punish the electorate for doing the wrong thing and the only result that comes from it is a mess that will have to be cleaned up with a lot more effort than it would have taken to stop it.
"Your crew will be destroyed as a first step on the road back."
My crew? The people who want to preserve the republic for a future date? Let me ask you, if you could side with the democrats to make a mess why wouldn't the people who disagree with you ion the GOP? or in this magical new party? If you don't have the integrity to work for what you actually want why should everyone else?
It's rhetorical because all that you are really doing is making yourself irrelevant, which probably why DrewM is and the democrats have been pushing for this again.
No one is going to destroy me or people like me because that would involve work and that's what you folks are really afraid of having to do. You have been promised what you want by playing spoiler but it doesn't work that way. DrewM is like a fat man promising other fat men they can lose weight with the new icecream diet and you are buying it.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 03:45 PM (EgbCN)
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I love this idea that I'll be crying in Nov 2016 unless I get the Jeb-Mitchy-Boner win I supposedly want.
BWAHAHAHA!
You know what changes with this crowd and "Acela Republican" supporters in office?
NOT ONE FUCKING THING!
Well, except the media will again hold the pResident accountable for bad things that happen on his watch.
BWAHAHAHA!
You know what changes with this crowd and "Acela Republican" supporters in office?
NOT ONE FUCKING THING!
Well, except the media will again hold the pResident accountable for bad things that happen on his watch.
Posted by: Commissar M at July 02, 2015 03:58 PM (KSF9t)
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"The democrats, the socialists, the communists, the racial grievance mongers, the people who want to recreate the country in their own image because they think they are made of better stuff than Jefferson, Madison and Washington, you know, them. "
So John Boehner is a traitor? He has given those people aid and comfort. John Boehner deserves capital punishment? How about people who vote for that traitor to be Speaker of the House?
"No one is going to destroy me or people like me because that would involve work and that's what you folks are really afraid of having to do. "
We're doing the good work of letting people know how much you suck. You respond with, Yes, we suck, that's reality, work hard to make us do it your way, you don't, we're your fault. Nuts.
So John Boehner is a traitor? He has given those people aid and comfort. John Boehner deserves capital punishment? How about people who vote for that traitor to be Speaker of the House?
"No one is going to destroy me or people like me because that would involve work and that's what you folks are really afraid of having to do. "
We're doing the good work of letting people know how much you suck. You respond with, Yes, we suck, that's reality, work hard to make us do it your way, you don't, we're your fault. Nuts.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 02, 2015 04:30 PM (8rRE+)
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Acela? Or Metrocons. I've been using that for years.
Posted by: j t bolt at July 02, 2015 05:52 PM (O7sCr)
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Well said, Ace. I put myself in the "hard conservative" category--as well as a "values voter", and I'm no freaking purist. Which is one of the reasons I kinda' *like* Trump. I would want him to fix the border and if he has time hack at the deficit, while he's working on the economy.
Defuse the bombs that are ticking right now (the border and the debt), and do for the economy what can easily be done: stop stepping on its neck. I think we could have a better economy if we simply didn't have an ideologue like Obama in office.
Defuse the bombs that are ticking right now (the border and the debt), and do for the economy what can easily be done: stop stepping on its neck. I think we could have a better economy if we simply didn't have an ideologue like Obama in office.
Posted by: Axeman at July 02, 2015 06:12 PM (2mC6G)
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Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 02, 2015 04:30 PM (8rRE+)
"So John Boehner is a traitor? He has given those people aid and comfort"
Even though Ii will happily give money to whomever is primarying John Boehner and would happily work to see that he is replaced by a genuine conservative or at least removed from his speakers position he isn't a "traitor" because he isn't deliberately hoping for the worst for the country in order to straighten it out. He's wrong, he's incompetent, he is another pig with his snout in the trough, but he hasn't done what DrewM and you evidently have: Wished for collapse so they can exert more influence over the ruins.
Aside from being treasonous it won't work.
"We're doing the good work of letting people know how much you suck. "
Really. Do you think you have changed anyones voting patterns by telling them they suck? Lets face it, this isn't about that. You are insecure and want your ego stroked. You have retreated from reality because reality is hard and it involves something other than sitting on the couch, eating cheetos and wondering how your dick got orange. It's easier to imagine some kind of "Red Dawn" scenario where you save the republic but if the republic collapses it's much more likely to go a different direction then the one you want to take it. and since you are being outworked in the easiest of all scenarios there is no reason to imagine you wont be outworked in a more difficult one.
"You respond with, Yes, we suck, that's reality"
And you are back to lying and straw man because you can't argue against what I have written honestly, showing again that it's not about truth but what you desperately want to believe to make yourself feel more important.
Reality is tough, pipedreams are easier. Mine involve winning the lottery and fucking supermodels. Yours involve letting it burn and being a kommissar in a 3rd party. At least I actually do have a slim chance of winning the lottery...
"So John Boehner is a traitor? He has given those people aid and comfort"
Even though Ii will happily give money to whomever is primarying John Boehner and would happily work to see that he is replaced by a genuine conservative or at least removed from his speakers position he isn't a "traitor" because he isn't deliberately hoping for the worst for the country in order to straighten it out. He's wrong, he's incompetent, he is another pig with his snout in the trough, but he hasn't done what DrewM and you evidently have: Wished for collapse so they can exert more influence over the ruins.
Aside from being treasonous it won't work.
"We're doing the good work of letting people know how much you suck. "
Really. Do you think you have changed anyones voting patterns by telling them they suck? Lets face it, this isn't about that. You are insecure and want your ego stroked. You have retreated from reality because reality is hard and it involves something other than sitting on the couch, eating cheetos and wondering how your dick got orange. It's easier to imagine some kind of "Red Dawn" scenario where you save the republic but if the republic collapses it's much more likely to go a different direction then the one you want to take it. and since you are being outworked in the easiest of all scenarios there is no reason to imagine you wont be outworked in a more difficult one.
"You respond with, Yes, we suck, that's reality"
And you are back to lying and straw man because you can't argue against what I have written honestly, showing again that it's not about truth but what you desperately want to believe to make yourself feel more important.
Reality is tough, pipedreams are easier. Mine involve winning the lottery and fucking supermodels. Yours involve letting it burn and being a kommissar in a 3rd party. At least I actually do have a slim chance of winning the lottery...
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at July 02, 2015 08:40 PM (EgbCN)
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Trump appears pro America. That alone puts him ahead of everyone else. His ideology is fuzzy, perhaps this will get congress back in the game? He will not allow the media to dictate, another plus.
Crazy at the top works in foreign policy.
He would be transitional, perhaps allowing conservatives to get back into the conversation? Electing conservatives has resulted in movement left at all levels of government.
"You're fired" sounds like the best way to deal with our bureaucracy.
Crazy at the top works in foreign policy.
He would be transitional, perhaps allowing conservatives to get back into the conversation? Electing conservatives has resulted in movement left at all levels of government.
"You're fired" sounds like the best way to deal with our bureaucracy.
Posted by: ken anthony at July 03, 2015 08:54 AM (UqoEZ)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 03, 2015 03:21 PM (8rRE+)
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"He's wrong, he's incompetent, he is another pig with his snout in the
trough, but he hasn't done what DrewM and you evidently have: Wished for
collapse so they can exert more influence over the ruins.
Aside from being treasonous it won't work."
I remind you again, treason is defined in the Constitution as giving aid or comfort to the enemies of the United States. If Democrats are traitors, as you've said, then the Republicans who give them aid and comfort are traitors.
"Do you think you have changed anyones voting patterns by telling them they suck?"
No. I have changed them by telling them YOU suck.
The rest of your fantasy fails on that point.
""You respond with, Yes, we suck, that's reality"
And you are back to lying and straw man because you can't argue against what I have written honestly,"
Every time you have responded to a complaint with "That's reality" you are agreeing your crew sucks.
trough, but he hasn't done what DrewM and you evidently have: Wished for
collapse so they can exert more influence over the ruins.
Aside from being treasonous it won't work."
I remind you again, treason is defined in the Constitution as giving aid or comfort to the enemies of the United States. If Democrats are traitors, as you've said, then the Republicans who give them aid and comfort are traitors.
"Do you think you have changed anyones voting patterns by telling them they suck?"
No. I have changed them by telling them YOU suck.
The rest of your fantasy fails on that point.
""You respond with, Yes, we suck, that's reality"
And you are back to lying and straw man because you can't argue against what I have written honestly,"
Every time you have responded to a complaint with "That's reality" you are agreeing your crew sucks.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 03, 2015 03:25 PM (8rRE+)
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So, Perry basically said Trump isn't running for shit, has never run for shit, and can say things people running for shit could never say and get elected, and he is saying shit that will make everyone really running for shit look bad. He has a point.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at July 03, 2015 06:10 PM (nCKKS)
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Carson isn't a joke. He is serious man with a life history of surprising people who underestimate his intelligence, his and determination. This is a guy who can step into any new challenge and master it.
He also understands the stakes right now. I take him at face value when he says he has had an arduous career and would rather stepping back and enjoying a very full life. Who would want to govern a country whose culture is so screwed up?
I also take him at face value when he says that political correctness is killing our ability to address social and political problems.
I don't see anyone else talking about this, and that in itself is reason enough why people should want him to at least be heard in front of national audiences.
He also understands the stakes right now. I take him at face value when he says he has had an arduous career and would rather stepping back and enjoying a very full life. Who would want to govern a country whose culture is so screwed up?
I also take him at face value when he says that political correctness is killing our ability to address social and political problems.
I don't see anyone else talking about this, and that in itself is reason enough why people should want him to at least be heard in front of national audiences.
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