Viacom Removes "The Dukes of Hazzard" Reruns from TVLand Schedule, Because Urge to Purge

Some time ago, Bill Quick attacked me, claiming, wrongly, that I was inconsistent to support a baker's right to not make a gay wedding cake when of course I would be fighting, racistly angry about a Muslim who insisted on Islamic dress codes in his own store.

I am republishing this essay because it's directly on-point.

America is in a dark chapter of its existence -- we have faced worse external threats, but not worse internal threats.

The threat now comes from within.

There are those who are insistent that we shall all have the same bland gray vanilla corporate non-culture culture, and that we shall all bow to the strange gods of the left.

As Andrew Breitbart once said:

Fuck you. War.

Below, my essay on what America is, and what is not, and how cowards, idiots, weaklings, and cuckolds want to turn America into a dark perversion of itself.

Bill Quick is fightin' angry about thoughts that I don't have.

He quotes me:

The New Intolerance: We Are Now Required To Embrace Just About Everything, Except the Gutter Religion Christianity
Incidentally– Are there any beliefs on the left which have not been sacralized?
That is, do they have any beliefs which are open to question without inviting their typical full-spectrum punishment regime, from group coordinated stigmatization to pursuit in the courts?

Then he asks, rhetorically, because people with few answers like to believe they know all the answers:

So, Ace: You okay with Muslim owned businesses refusing to serve women not “properly” covered -- ie., bagged in a burkha, because Religious Liberty?

Yes.

By the way, I could end the post here, because he will now yammer on for a few hundred words assuming that my answer must be "no," and why that's terrible.

But the answer is "Yes."

This is an easy one. What the fuck do I care? A shop owner has the right to set a dress code. Especially if this were a store geared towards Islamic identity -- an Islamic bookstore, say, or a restaurant -- this one isn't even a question.

But even absent that-- what should I care what the dress code is here, or whom he wants his clientele to be? He doesn't want to serve me, and get this -- I don't wish to be served by him.

How about the Muslim cab driver refusing to transport passenger with dogs or alcohol, because Religious Liberty?

This is trickier because in the case of the store, I have to seek that out. I have to go to the nuisance, as it were. In the case of a cab, I could call for a cab, wait 25 minutes for it, and then, only upon his arrival, be told "Well I'm not going to take you because of these crazy restrictions I never warned you about when you hailed me."

In other words: In the case of the cab, the nuisance comes to me, and that's more of a problem.

But if that one kink could be worked out -- that I could use a cellphone app to summon only cabs that would take me, and would not be punished with discovering, in the rain, that a Muslim cabdriver was refusing to take my fare after waiting 25 minutes -- yes, again, what do I care?

If I hail him, and he does not inform me of his list of silly objections, then yes, in that case, he is bound to take me, because he did not give me his objections before the contract for service was entered into.

But as long as he tells me his objections before that -- Why would I care?

Honestly I'd prefer knowing my driver was a hardcore adherent of a religion which often encourages its faithful to crash vehicles into buildings Because God Hates Vehicular Safety.

Unlike some other Dummies, I'm not really of a mind that we must all Follow the Same Rules and all Subscribe to the Same Bland, Grey, Dead Corporate-Friendly Culture in which no one is really religious or different or odd at all Because That's Bad For Corporate Business.

I think people should have -- and by God, do have -- the right to be fairly different from one another.

That's fucking America.

Did you not know that? That that's what America is?

That America is the right to be different from other people?

I don't see why a store run by a pious conservative Muslim can't demand that women be covered, if that's his bag, nor why a store run by a pious conservative Catholic can't also insist that women cover their shoulders, if that's his sense of what his business should be, of what should happen on property he owns.

Will there be hurt feelings when some are turned away?

Sure.

And who cares?

What the fuck are we, babies? Is this kindergarten, where everyone must be made to feel welcome, always?

Why the fuck would you think I would even care about this shit? Is it because you care about it so much, that you are so concerned about maintaining a Standard Generic Vanilla Corporate-Friendly Non-Culture Culture everywhere, that the idea of a Muslim religious bookstore which insists on a strict dress code for women is mentally deranging?

To be honest with you, I already assume there already are Islamic bookstops which will demand that women leave unless properly veiled.

And yet I'm not pissing myself about this.

Why would I want to go to that shop in the first place?

A culture without any rough parts, without any Proud Nails that won't be pounded down, without any Strangeness that people just insist upon because it's Their Culture, That's Why, is not a culture at all.

It's a fucking shopping mall. It's a fucking Airport Neutral Palate Color Scheme. It's the gray paste they feed to people in comas.

It's nothing. Nothing.

A lot of people seem to dream of America as a great bland nothing.

And they're winning, too.

There is a strand of thought that is often found among conservatives, which is itself actually not conservative. And that is the tendency towards a fairly pronounced Corporatism.

Let me explain what I mean by that. When you are at work, you are under a series of rules and codes designed to reduce your individuality. Businesses -- Corporations -- do not want the full flower of your individual expression. They don't want you dressing flamboyantly, they don't want you talking about deviant sex or, actually, non-deviant sex either, they don't want you proselytizing, they don't want you arguing about politics, they don't want you offering your views on the relative accomplishments of the various Races of Man.

Let me say: I have no problem with this. This makes perfect sense. When you are in a working environment, you're not there to let your freak flag fly. The business does not want to know you as a Special Snowflake in all your oddball glory.

Someone who insists on festooning themselves with all their cultural/sexual/religious/political signage at work gravely mistakes how interested anyone at work is in learning about them as a person. People at work do not, by and large, want to know you as a person. Some might; most don't.

People at work want to keep this impersonal and polite but not familiar, because impersonal and polite but not familiar is the general code of conduct for not angering strangers one is forced, by circumstances, to be within close proximity to.

Manners, in all their artificiality, do not exist to navigate relations with your close relations. Manners are an artificial code of conduct designed to reduce frictions and any chance of showing disrespect or causing offense among strangers and semi-strangers.

I have no problem with the Corporate Code of Conduct at the corporation itself. When I'm forced to be at work, yes, of course I will abide by the "no hot political talk" and the "no sex talk" and "no cursing" and "no ethnic slurs" rules. Partly because I was raised that way, but also partly because I wish the benefit of the bargain-- I myself would like to be free of other people's Freak Flags. I don't want them gratuitously offending me, or assuming an over-familiar posture with me, so I will, to modify my own behavior and dress so that it is corporate bland and business casual.

But while I completely understand and endorse the Business Casual system of empty, gray dullness at work, I do not and will not accept it outside of work.

It is one thing to demand that I comport myself as if I am walking on eggshells for 9 or ten hours a day, at work. It is another thing entirely to further insist that when I get Home, and rest at my metaphoric Castle, that I must continue to follow the Corporate Rules of Conduct.

Here's my answer to that: Go fuck yourself. You cannot pursue me from work to home and hound me with your constant need for Conformity in all things.

Bill Quick is essentially making the case for Conformity in all things, in all spheres. He sees people making their Silly Religious Objections as possibly Offensive to some people, and causing some Friction, and certainly Bad For Business.

Well so fucking what, Bill Quick? The Corporate Handbook of Proper Employee Conduct may apply when I am working in an office with 100 strangers, but it does not apply when I own my own fucking business and my own fucking property.

On that ground, I can design any rules I wish. And if this makes your gray, corporate brain go all a-flutter at the potential disorderliness!!!, well, go fuck yourself, buddy. I do not exist to appease your OCD need for Hierarchy, Structure, Order, Regularity, and Standard Procedures in all facets of life.

Some people continue to be wigged out at the idea that I can buy alcohol in one county but the next county over -- get this! -- it's illegal to sell booze.

They just seem to have this baseline devotion to the ideal that we should all be the same. That each county should follow the same rules. That a traveler, moving from one county to the next, should not be surprised or bothered to discover there are Different Rules in effect, or a Different Culture.

That we should, in short, all have the Same Rules, and the Same Culture, with all Proud Nails pounded flat to the wood, so that there is no danger of snagging anyone's clothing or giving anyone a cut.

Some find that comforting.

I find it creepy. I also find it be the height of Entitlement: In what fucking spasm of ego did you conceive that other people exist to protect your mental Safe Place from any discombobulation and discomfort?

It bothers Bill Quick that one bakery could have one set of policies, and yet a bakery down the street could, get this, have an entirely different set of policies.

That's just wrong, he apparently thinks. We all need to be on the same page as far as Bakery Policies, or else -- else -- else...! Well, That Way Madness Lies, surely.

The idea that I must never be exposed to any thoughts I find weird -- like a Muslim demanding that women be veiled -- like a Catholic church demanding that women cover their shoulders -- is simultaneously infantile, weak, and entitled.

I guess this is the difference between Bill Quick and I: Bill Quick seems to pine for an orderly world in which a controlling hierarchy pursues us in our every waking hour to impose the Corporate Rulebook on us, even when we're not at the Corporate Headquarters, even when we own our own business which is not governed by any Corporate Rulebook but our own.

He finds that comforting.

I find it terrifying.

I think conservatives have long been overly trusting of corporate and social power, usually assuming we'd be in control of it, so that we would be protected from any misuse thereof.

I think we are now suddenly discovering that was a terrible assumption to make, and that we should have been asking ourselves, all along: What if this power to gin up the forces of social conformity and legal bullying were not in our hands, but in fact used against us?

Well, if any conservatives were previously unaware of the danger of empowering scolds, busybodies, bureaucrats, and police to Make You Behave As The Group Thinks Is Proper, surely none can still be ignorant.

If you're still fighting for Statism and Conformity and Group Decisionmaking, you are an enemy of liberty and an enemy of conservatism.

I think you get the point.

But do you get the point, Dummy? You seem to think I care about these things, because, Of course I must.

After all, I'm to be playing a Strawman Role you've assigned to me in your fat-clotted head.

But in fact I don't. I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit about being denied service at a Muslim Halal Shop, and, as long as we work out a system which avoids me waiting in the rain for a cab which later rejects me, I don't care about Muslim cab drivers refusing to ferry alcohol or dogs around, either.

You cannot be logically consistent on this issue unless you drop the bullshit about Christians being singled out -- (Muslims famously murder gays), and accept that if religious liberty permits Christians and Christian businesses to discriminate against gays, then you have to also permit Muslims and their businesses to discriminate against gays -- and women, and dogs, and drinkers, and kaffirs, and the whole host of religious proscriptions that religion subscribes to.

I have no idea what you're rambling on about, but it is much easier to be logically consistent on this issue than you seem to imagine, Dummy.

And if you say, "pshaw, I’m just talking about Christians here. We can’t let the Muslims run wild, that would be crazy."

Another thing Dumb People like to do is put Dumb Objections in your mouth -- Dumb Objections they can then easily, and dumbly, swat aside.

Well, at that point you’re demanding the state to establish a religion -- and that, dear friends, is really unconstitutional -- re-read that First Amendment you’re shrieking at the top of your lungs about.

You're blathering on quite a bit assuming that I'd object to either of these hypotheticals. Which I don't.

Also, yes, this is terribly, terribly important -- to the dozen or so gay couples who will request wedding cakes from the dozen or so bakers (some of whom may well be Muslim) who will refuse them.

Mm-hm. There sure aren't many gay bakers.

And even fewer gay florists.

And gay photographers? Why, nearly none of those.

In the meantime, Obama is giving Iran nuclear weapons, but Jebus --we have much more important things to screech about.

Gee I notice you screeched about it-- just on the other side. So I guess it is worth talking about-- so long as you support the leftwing position on it.

Leftwingers do this all the time -- they employ the rhetorical gambit, "How silly it is for you to ever care about this trivium!"

So you say: Well, Old Man, if it's trivial, surely you wouldn't mind conceding the trivial point to me, eh?

At which point they say: "Are you mad? This is an important matter of principle!!!"

Just like this dummy did right here. Right after he chided me about this not being so important, he informed me that it was terribly important to about a dozen gay couples.

Well, it's probably also important to a dozen Christians in the baking business.

Either way, your childish "This is too small an issue for you to argue about!!!" gambit fails.

By the way, I've been covering Iran a lot.

When I say Americans are stupid, this is the sort of thing I’m talking about.

Me too. I completely agree with you that most Americans are stupid. In fact, many people who spit up their every pique and half-baked Blog-Slam!!! are among the stupidest of all.

Food for thought: This country is increasingly paranoid about people who don't bow to the accepted Order of Things.

The country plainly does not like Small Independent Business owners, because without a larger Corporation overseeing their decisions, How do we know they'll make the right decisions? How do we force them to make the right decisions?

Corporations are cowardly and leftwing and the height of conformism.

But what about these damned Independents-- these Wildcatters with their own businesses, their own leases, and no Board of Directors or Shareholders to answer to?

How can we endure knowing that some people are out there Making Up Their Own Rules???!!!!

When Christians and their fellow-traveling conservatives (like me) were in more of a dominant social position, we didn't have to think much about the dilemma of whether we would like a system by which we get to impose our Rules and Values on Others, or whether we would like to be free from other people imposing their Rules and Values on Us.

See, when you're in a dominant social position, you don't have to make that choice, because you get Both. You are in a strong enough position to not have to worry too much about a hostile majority pushing its Rules and Values on you. You are the Majority, or a Near Majority, at least; so you can push a regime which is more insistent on Conformity, because you are numerically strong enough to stop the worst abuses of a Conformity Regime from being inflicted on you.

But we're not in that position any longer. We can longer use our numerical might to block other people's aggressions in this sphere. We can no longer have our cake and eat it too; we must choose.

We must now begin choosing which is more important: A regime in which the Majority gets to Impose Rules on a Minority (hoping we can occasionally be the Majority and Impose some of our Rules), or a Regime in which the Majority is de-powered, so that any Minority (including, most importantly, us) is less likely to be bullied by the Majority at all.

Some people still do not get this choice they are confronted with. They continue to insist that it's still 1988 and that we can have both, that we can have a regime in which a majority bullies an unpopular minority and be free of such bullying.

Other people see a choice, but seem to think that Corporate Conformism is more important than liberty.

I choose to be self willed. Empowering myself means de-powering others.

Sorry, Bill Quick. I don't want you or any of the other rules-following, orderliness-obsessed corporatists making decisions for me.

I choose liberty, and I choose my own conscience. And choosing that means, get this, that I must also choose liberty and the right to conscience for others.

This is a time for clarity, and this is a time for choosing. This is a time to discover who it is who really supports Liberty and Freedom, and who it is who is really all about Control and Conformity.

For many years, many conservatives have really been more about the latter than the former. I have admitted, and I will continue to admit, I was among them. I have long had pronounced authoritarian and statist tendencies.

I fight against them now, like an alcoholic fights his lust for drink.

But too many conservatives continue championing Social Control and Conformity while mouthing the empty platitudes about how wonderful Freedom is.

Freedom to do exactly what is permitted on pages 36-42 of the Corporate Handbook, that is.

Anything else is A Disorder and thus Subversive.

If keeping my own freedom means, horror of horrors, also granting it to a Muslim, then I am prepared to make that deal all. day. long.

It is time to put away childish things. Either you support liberty and justice for all, or you support it for none.

I will continue responding to Fake Libertarians who wish to explain to me why True Libertarianism requires Coercion in service of Conformity
— TheClassyLife (@AceofSpadesHQ) April 2, 2015

The man who says "I support freedom, up to the point it causes disorder or inconvenience" does not support freedom. He is an authoritarian.
— TheClassyLife (@AceofSpadesHQ) April 2, 2015

Posted by: Ace at 02:16 PM

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1 This is trickier because in the case of the store, I have to seek that out. I have to go to the nuisance, as it were. In the case of a cab, I could call for a cab, wait 25 minutes for it, and then, only upon his arrival, be told "Well I'm not going to take you because of these crazy restrictions I never warned you about when you hailed me."

Cabs are also a "public accommodation" licensed by the State. If every cabbie was an Uber with free entry into the market, I'd be fine with Islamic Cabs and Homo Cabs etc.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 01, 2015 02:19 PM (evdj2)

2 Insha'Allah Cabs would actually be a great name, We'll get you were your going, God willing.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 01, 2015 02:20 PM (evdj2)

3 2nd!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 01, 2015 02:20 PM (h4vJk)

4 Crap.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 01, 2015 02:20 PM (h4vJk)

5 I twofered

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 01, 2015 02:21 PM (evdj2)

6 Excellent post, Ace!
Well worth reposting!!

Posted by: Lizzy at July 01, 2015 02:22 PM (NOIQH)

7 I'm guessing that the semi-self ban on using "fuck" to attract advertisers to the comment section is all but given up.

OK. We can work with that.

Posted by: jwest at July 01, 2015 02:22 PM (9ZZd+)

8 >>What the fuck are we, babies? Is this kindergarten, where everyone must be made to feel welcome, always?<<

Yes. The progressives suffering from arrested development are now trying to call the shots for the rest of the adults out there.
Sad thing is, the babies are winning.

Posted by: MacGruber at July 01, 2015 02:22 PM (sWgE+)

9 The rest are still scrolling.

Posted by: rebel flounder at July 01, 2015 02:22 PM (Vf5rR)

10 What else is there to say. All of these questions are being decided by 'our betters' not the people. Even what we may be allowed to buy. Fuck that.

Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 02:22 PM (lIU4e)

11 Is Bill Quick ready to go make sure that Islamic businesses AREN'T ALREADY DISCRIMINATING LIKE THAT? Because, if not, he seems pretty selective in his outrage.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 01, 2015 02:23 PM (oVJmc)

12 Holy crap what a great post!

Obligatory: Why don't you take the rest of the week off?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 01, 2015 02:24 PM (FsuaD)

13 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 02:24 PM (kff5f)

14 This lends me an opportunity to ride my hobby horse that *all* large and inclusive governments are inherently elitist. One size does not fit all. Unless a polity has the right and power to be "wrong", it's not really self-governing.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 01, 2015 02:24 PM (evdj2)

15 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 02:24 PM (kff5f)

16 Well said (again). Pretty sure you earned the rest of the week off Ace.

Posted by: CaveJohnson87 at July 01, 2015 02:24 PM (Sxhzb)

17
Yes. The progressives suffering from arrested development are now trying to call the shots for the rest of the adults out there.

But they're not.

They still laugh their asses off at 'edgy' comedians mocking Christians. They'd recoil at the same of Muslims.

Only approved people are protected. Unapproved ones are encouraged targets.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 01, 2015 02:24 PM (oVJmc)

18 All the words.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 02:24 PM (kff5f)

19 Since I quit watching The Five when they became a collection of Liberals and RINOs, I had started watching The Dukes of Hazzard instead.

These fucking Commies ruin everything.

Posted by: Citizen X at July 01, 2015 02:25 PM (7ObY1)

20 This post has me picturing Fuckitall Kitteh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 01, 2015 02:25 PM (FsuaD)

21 Well written, ace.

two more TV Shows to be Purged:

1) Carter Country
2) Matlock

They have the Georgia State Flag, the "Confederate Battle Flag" in scenes. That Must. Not. Stand.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 01, 2015 02:26 PM (0MJOU)

22 >>But they're not.They still laugh their asses off at 'edgy' comedians mocking Christians. They'd recoil at the same of Muslims.<<

Like many young children, they are still terrified of bullies.

Posted by: MacGruber at July 01, 2015 02:26 PM (sWgE+)

23 >>A culture without any rough parts, without any Proud Nails that won't be pounded down, without any Strangeness that people just insist upon because it's Their Culture, That's Why, is not a culture at all.

This reminds me of Jeff Foxworthy's statement on why he loves country music when he hosted the CMT awards - he's talking about the Country culture but it really feels like what he loves about America, the America that is now being erased from polite society.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBPNAmpgUE8

Posted by: Lizzy at July 01, 2015 02:26 PM (NOIQH)

24 They had Dukes of Hazzard? Everytime I stop on TVLand when I'm flippin channels, the fuckin Gloden Girls is always on.

Posted by: tu3031 at July 01, 2015 02:26 PM (YFFpo)

25 Scrolling scrolling scrolling
Keep those mouses scrolling...

Posted by: zombie at July 01, 2015 02:26 PM (jBuUi)

26 Pretty soon "Mayberry" will be deemed racist.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 01, 2015 02:27 PM (FsuaD)

27 Corgis called.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2015 02:27 PM (P8HwW)

28 Even before it became a rerun the only part I watched were the daisydukes parading. I was a horny teenager then.

As for the liberals and their inability to construct logical arguments, well there is an old saying for that. If they were not stupid, they would not be liberal Democrats. So they are stuck with all their arguing skills of strawmen and lies.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 01, 2015 02:27 PM (GpgJl)

29 The muslim cab driver scenario is much different unless he is a gypsy cab. The cab company could identify itself as not allowing dogs in any if it's cabs and I would be all right with that but if the decision is left to individual drivers I would call foul. You can't allow individual workers to make the call.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 01, 2015 02:28 PM (Q4pU/)

30 Great post!!

Posted by: !Jeb! at July 01, 2015 02:28 PM (hKyl0)

31 So, I read the whole thing and could not figure out if Ace liked the movie or not.

Posted by: Penfold at July 01, 2015 02:28 PM (Fbt5B)

32 The only thing I would require of Arab cab drivers is that they actually know where the fuck they're going. Every one I ever had had no idea where anything was

Posted by: UGAdawg at July 01, 2015 02:28 PM (AuISE)

33
Daisy Duke

http://bit.ly/1R5ebAK

Because solidarity!

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 01, 2015 02:28 PM (JtwS4)

34 A culture without any rough parts, without any Proud Nails that won't be pounded down, without any Strangeness that people just insist upon because it's
Their Culture,

There will be plenty of leftist strangeness celebrated.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2015 02:29 PM (P8HwW)

35 "I have long had pronounced authoritarian and statist tendencies. I fight against them now, like an alcoholic fights his lust for drink."

How wonderful it must be to be Hillary Clinton, and be able to indulge in authoritarianism, statism, and the bottle, all simultaneously.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 01, 2015 02:29 PM (noWW6)

36
It's not even corporate gray. Flying a confederate flag is considered horrible, but dancing down the public street in a thong and waving a giant plastic penis is considered just fine and dandy.

We're being told to sit down and be insulted and humiliated, and that we're bigots and haters if we refuse.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 01, 2015 02:29 PM (OiH3z)

37 Pretty soon "Mayberry" will be deemed racist.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 01, 2015 02:27 PM (FsuaD)

But wasn't Barney gay?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 02:29 PM (/tNwW)

38
Without looking into it too deeply, I'ma thinkin' this "public accommodations" thing was formulated very poorly.

Aside from an obvious, *practically* decided judgement that some private business (medical clinic, only gas station or food source in a given location, etc.) has to serve all in need, "public accommodations" should be restricted to *public* ones. Bridges. Roads. Public libraries.

The lack of humility (and sense) in defining "public accommodation" was no less than an evisceration of one of the most basic freedoms there is - one so basic it isn't even enumerated or mentioned in any of the founding documents, is it? - freedom of association.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2015 02:29 PM (QDnY+)

39 And I can't recall EVER seeing anything racially-oriented in a Dukes episode. The whole furor is about a decal in the background that you never even fully see.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 01, 2015 02:30 PM (oVJmc)

40 "To be honest with you, I already assume there already are Islamic bookstops which will demand that women leave unless properly veiled.

And yet I'm not pissing myself about this."

I am only pissed about this because I assume --Hell, I know -- that there already are places where I must bow to their fucking peccadilloes, but that I am not anywhere allowed to impose my own rules about the places that I own.

Posted by: revolting peasant at July 01, 2015 02:30 PM (41UtW)

41 En Fuego!

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at July 01, 2015 02:30 PM (SCcgT)

42 Also, whenever people talk about 'This is War' my brain inserts 'Peacock'.

Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 02:30 PM (lIU4e)

43 Fuckin' Breitbart...

I love that guy.

Posted by: Feh at July 01, 2015 02:30 PM (U5mnP)

44 The only thing I would require of Arab cab drivers is that they actually know where the fuck they're going. Every one I ever had had no idea where anything was
Posted by: UGAdawg at July 01, 2015 02:28 PM (AuISE)

Because they refuse to use Waze since it was made in Israel by Joooos!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 02:30 PM (/tNwW)

45 I apologize because I haven't read the whole post you wrote, Ace, but I'm headed out and wanted to put in my two cents.

As I understand it, Maj Hassan's hangups when dealing with women in a professional setting were catered to. I think he was able to absent himself from certain activities and/or get special exemptions because of Women Cooties. I'm pretty sure I read that he treated women co-workers differently b/c of his Islamicism -- and iirc that did not lead to any HR reprimands (such as would happen to my husband if he did the same).

This is wrong.

You, as an American, have a right to live your life. But if part of your choice involves working in a service capacity, particularly in medicine or as a government employee or in law enforcement or in fire and rescue or whathaveyou, you must understand that dealing with the public is part of that role. If you cannot fulfill the responsibilities of your job description, the job that you voluntarily chose to pursue, pick another line of work or move to Saudi Arabia.

You can believe what you want, but if your beliefs interfere with my rights -- either to not be discriminated against in hiring or work evaluations or promotions b/c you think I have cooties (b/c I attend the wrong church or have the wrong body parts) or to not receive life-saving treatment b/c I have cooties or whatever -- then you need to pick a different line of work.

I don't know if this is a controversial or wrong position amongst conservatives. I hope it isn't, but I really can't tell where we're at these days in our Fundamental Transformation brought on by the Lightworker.

Posted by: Y-not at July 01, 2015 02:30 PM (RWGcK)

46 Fuckin' Breitbart...

I love that guy.
Posted by: Feh at July 01, 2015 02:30 PM (U5mnP)

We lost a Giant when he went down

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 02:31 PM (/tNwW)

47 The idea that I must never be exposed to any thoughts I find weird -- like a Muslim demanding that women be veiled -- like a Catholic church demanding that women cover their shoulders -

What a perfect comparison of religious weirdness.

Why, nary a day goes by that we don't read about Catholic warriors crucifying women for not obeying commands to cover their shoulders. Or at the least, stoning them for not covering their shoulders.

Who will free us from this scourge of Catholics and their shoulder-covering demands?

Posted by: Citizen X at July 01, 2015 02:31 PM (7ObY1)

48 freedom of association.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 01, 2015 02:29 PM (QDnY+)

*********
H8er.

Posted by: Open Primaries at July 01, 2015 02:31 PM (yxw0r)

49 But wasn't Barney gay?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 02:29 PM (/tNwW)

Not sure about Barney, but Gomer was (at least the actor who played him).

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 01, 2015 02:31 PM (FsuaD)

50 Who will free us from this scourge of Catholics and their shoulder-covering demands?Posted by: Citizen X at July 01, 2015 02:31 PM (7ObY1)

Up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's bionic Martin Luthor!

Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 01, 2015 02:32 PM (OiH3z)

51 Christianity must be extinguished. It is the only religious system that does not mandate a political system, while affirming the individual identity as different from the collective will. It is the only true enemy to a collectivist state, and that includes Islam.

Posted by: some guy at July 01, 2015 02:32 PM (Kfrql)

52 39 And I can't recall EVER seeing anything racially-oriented in a Dukes episode. The whole furor is about a decal in the background that you never even fully see.

Just the other day they were helping a black friend out. The black friend was a pit boss.

Posted by: Citizen X at July 01, 2015 02:32 PM (7ObY1)

53 The name of the movie Ace is reviewing here is:

"'Fuck You', He Explained."

Posted by: Sharkman at July 01, 2015 02:33 PM (72D6h)

54 You are fined five credits for repeated violations of the verbal morality statute.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 01, 2015 02:33 PM (fWAjv)

55 You, as an American, have a right to live your life. But if part of your choice involves working in a service capacity, particularly in medicine or as a government employee or in law enforcement or in fire and rescue or whathaveyou, you must understand that dealing with the public is part of that role. If you cannot fulfill the responsibilities of your job description, the job that you voluntarily chose to pursue, pick another line of work or move to Saudi Arabia.

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One of those jobs is not like the rest.

But this is exactly the argument the pro-choice crowd wishes to make on those in medicine.

Posted by: SH at July 01, 2015 02:33 PM (gmeXX)

56 Dukes of Hazzard: My takeaway from the show was twofold: 1) Southern mayors and police forces were generally incompetent and 2) Daisy made me lower parts all tingly.

The Confederate Flag thing never occurred to me. I just figured the Hazzard County body repair shop had a guy who could paint.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 01, 2015 02:33 PM (0MJOU)

57 The black friend was a pit boss.

In racing, or at a casino?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 01, 2015 02:33 PM (evdj2)

58 Here, here Ace!

I will not conform!

I counted a total of 32 fucks in your post.
Outstanding!

Posted by: mpfs, Questioning My Sanity at July 01, 2015 02:34 PM (M+tdH)

59 We need a "Draw Mohammad with a confederate flag" contest. Maybe include some other banished symbols. I want a confederate flag, with General Lee running his sword through Mohammad.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell No !

Posted by: Illiniwek at July 01, 2015 02:34 PM (eNP7U)

60 In racing, or at a casino?

racing.

Posted by: Citizen X at July 01, 2015 02:34 PM (7ObY1)

61 Good job Ace and thanks for it too. It IS time to make a stand......just glad I'm here to see it!!

Posted by: Rick554 at July 01, 2015 02:34 PM (nLYSj)

62 The Dukes were anti-racist as I recall. I seem to remember episodes that mocked Boss Hogg along these lines.

Posted by: Feh at July 01, 2015 02:34 PM (U5mnP)

63 Dukes of Hazzard: My takeaway from the show was twofold: 1) Southern mayors and police forces were generally incompetent and

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Perhaps the real reason to purge the show is less with the flag, and more to do with the fact that individuals were getting over the government.

Posted by: SH at July 01, 2015 02:35 PM (gmeXX)

64 In before someone makes a "how was the movie?" joke?

Posted by: gimpin' ain't easy at July 01, 2015 02:35 PM (6sAB6)

65 Not sure about Barney, but Gomer was (at least the actor who played him).

Jim Neighbors. Shazaam!

Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2015 02:35 PM (P8HwW)

66 >>And I can't recall EVER seeing anything racially-oriented in a Dukes episode. The whole furor is about a decal in the background that you never even fully see.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 01, 2015 02:30 PM (oVJmc)

Well, the horn also plays Dixie : ) But otherwise, yes. Not a racial show. At all.

Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 02:35 PM (lIU4e)

67 History is a thread that always connects the past to the present, builds on to history, which lives.

Accordingly, Reagan didn't defeat Communism. He won a major battle in an ongoing war which we are losing culturally.

Badly.

Quickly.

In fact, Reagan's Cold War victory hastened America's decline because we thought we had won the ideological struggle.

Well played, Communists.

Well played.

Posted by: @PeeteySDee at July 01, 2015 02:35 PM (0+/U6)

68 The name of the movie Ace is reviewing here is:

"'Fuck You', He Explained."

Nice. I should have that added to my family crest, right under Our Enemies We Will Outbreed.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 01, 2015 02:35 PM (evdj2)

69 Started binge watching 30 Rock.

Amazing the amount of self depreciating liberal/PC/racial jokes used. It's almost as if some on the left can see what assholes they are.

Of course, the evil of the right is just a given.

Posted by: jwest at July 01, 2015 02:35 PM (9ZZd+)

70 This post needs a "jump to bottom of post" on the main page. I think my mouse wheel index finger is broken.

That said, I think our left is really impressive in their drive to destroy all traces of any past. They are really outdoing themselves, now.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 01, 2015 02:35 PM (MYSVz)

71 Epic Rant, Ace...Epic!

Posted by: Walknot at July 01, 2015 02:35 PM (FnHBZ)

72 Barney had a girlfriend.

The gangly Barney, not the purple one.

Posted by: revolting peasant at July 01, 2015 02:35 PM (41UtW)

73 "The only thing I would require of Arab cab drivers is that they actually know where the fuck they're going."

A former co-worker spent a decade and a half as a specialty contract technician for Saudi Aramco, being shuttled around various Persian Gulf oil ops to tune up instrumentation.

He refused to enter any vehicle driven by an Arab after that. He would walk the entire length of the taxi queue at the airport to find a non-Arab driver. Showed me his giant scrapbook of terrifying vehicle wrecks everywhere from Beirut to Bahrain.

It's one thing when people can't drive well, he said. When they combine "not driving well" with a proclivity to go REALLY GODDAMN FAST, that's another thing entirely.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 01, 2015 02:35 PM (noWW6)

74 I have no urge to purge. Huma calls me her BBW (Big Beautiful Woman).

Posted by: Hillary Opossum Clinton at July 01, 2015 02:35 PM (6qR/9)

75 Good ol' Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) is now insisting All Reminders Of The Civil War be removed. All of them.

Remember when he claimed he was spat on after the passing of Obamacare, and Breitbart offered $100,000 for proof and there was none? Good times.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 01, 2015 02:36 PM (FsuaD)

76 Posted by: Citizen X at July 01, 2015 02:31 PM (7ObY1)

That was some of the most skillful missing-of-the-point I've ever seen.

Kudos, sir!

The point was not a comparison of Catholicism to Mohammedanism (which is an evil death cult), but the fact that both have religious liberty (or should) to enforce dress codes.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 02:36 PM (kff5f)

77 Thank you Ace, this is why I read and support this blog. Brilliant.

Posted by: Arson Wells at July 01, 2015 02:36 PM (UnJ7w)

78 52 39 And I can't recall EVER seeing anything racially-oriented in a Dukes episode. The whole furor is about a decal in the background that you never even fully see.

Just the other day they were helping a black friend out. The black friend was a pit boss.

Posted by: Citizen X at July 01, 2015 02:32 PM (7ObY1)

Hell, they had a black guy in a position of authority.

So....racist!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 01, 2015 02:36 PM (fWAjv)

79 Because God Hates Vehicular Safety.

Gotta free ride from a Muslim cabbie in Chicago one time because he was headed that way for prayers. How do you say mikvah in Arabic?

back to the content.

Posted by: DaveA at July 01, 2015 02:36 PM (DL2i+)

80 62 The Dukes were anti-racist as I recall. I seem to remember episodes that mocked Boss Hogg along these lines.
Posted by: Feh at July 01, 2015 02:34 PM (U5mnP)

Yeah, he had a twin brother or something named Abraham Lincoln Hogg who was actually Boss Hogg's complete opposite.

Posted by: Iblis at July 01, 2015 02:37 PM (9221z)

81 also, "In the Heat of the Night" reruns should be discontinued, and stricken from the record.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 01, 2015 02:37 PM (u07AL)

82 That was some of the most skillful missing-of-the-point I've ever seen.

aw, shucks, you're gonna give this 'ron a big head with that kind of praise.

Posted by: Citizen X at July 01, 2015 02:37 PM (7ObY1)

83 That's the part I hate the most: I am not free to have thoughts--THOUGHTS!!--that other might disagree with.

We have, now, the full might and machinery of the state aligned against anyone who disagrees with same-sex unions being called marriage.

The decision last week was the final lynchpin.

All the pieces are in place.

And the millstone slowly now begin to grind.

Now: The lawsuits.

And I am an outlaw in my own land for what I dare reason out in my own mind of my own free will from observations I have seen with my own eyes.

To avoid destitution, privation and imprisonment, I must deny truth. MY OWN TRUTH!!! that these self-same fuckers say is the paramount factor in ones' identity!!

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 01, 2015 02:37 PM (ZvKdv)

84 but the fact that both have religious liberty (or should) to enforce dress codes

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It goes beyond that. Any store / business owner should be able to enforce whatever dress code they want for whatever reason they want. In fact, we'd have no problem if a store owner imposed a no-short policy. But if they imposed a no-short policy in the name of Christianity - that's a problem.

Posted by: SH at July 01, 2015 02:37 PM (gmeXX)

85 The Golden Girls? Outrageous! Do the networks have any idea how triggering some of those accents can be? Ban the bitches, do it now, before we're overrun by the you know who's....

Posted by: Panicked Hollywood Exec at July 01, 2015 02:37 PM (2cS/G)

86 Well, those ol' Duke boys was guilty of bein' cis-heteronormative white hegemonic oppressors of the colonial other, and that was no good, no siree.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 01, 2015 02:38 PM (RD7QR)

87 At stake here is the whole concept of "private business."

To the Left, there is no private business. It's all public, it's all political, and it's all to be under their control.

...

Some days, I can't believe I pray with this mouth of mine.

Posted by: Feh at July 01, 2015 02:38 PM (U5mnP)

88 No Assless Chaps - No Service

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 01, 2015 02:38 PM (evdj2)

89 We will make it to the correct destination safely Inshallah!

Posted by: Arab Cab Driver at July 01, 2015 02:38 PM (HstNY)

90 62 "The Dukes were anti-racist as I recall."

Apparently, they had a southern accent, so that proves membership in the KKK.

If you ever want to pick out the racist, small minded sister fucker on any TV program, just listen for the twang.

Posted by: jwest at July 01, 2015 02:38 PM (9ZZd+)

91 Posted by: torquewrench at July 01, 2015 02:35 PM (noWW6)

I'm of the same mind as your friend after living in Egypt.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 01, 2015 02:38 PM (sgrzZ)

92 67 History is a thread that always connects the past to the present, builds on to history, which lives.

Accordingly, Reagan didn't defeat Communism. He won a major battle in an ongoing war which we are losing culturally.

Badly.

Quickly.

In fact, Reagan's Cold War victory hastened America's decline because we thought we had won the ideological struggle.

Well played, Communists.

Well played.

Posted by: @PeeteySDee at July 01, 2015 02:35 PM (0+/U6)

So very much THIS. The war didn't end, it just moved to a new battlefield.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 01, 2015 02:39 PM (RD7QR)

93 Good ol' Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) is now insisting All Reminders Of The Civil War be removed. All of them.

Fuck him.

Seriously.

Fuck. Him.

I don't have the money to turn my office into a Civil War museum. Why is the world so dead-set on forcing me to do so?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 02:39 PM (kff5f)

94 All kids named Lee should be thrown in jail

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 02:39 PM (/tNwW)

95 How do you say mikvah in Arabic?

Posted by: DaveA at July 01, 2015 02:36 PM (DL2i+)

Toilet.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 01, 2015 02:39 PM (MYSVz)

96
Just the other day they were helping a black friend out. The black friend was a pit boss.

And a sheriff of a neighboring county was black.

Imagine that.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 01, 2015 02:39 PM (oVJmc)

97 This manufactured distraction is Important Stuff you guys!

Posted by: jeezus at July 01, 2015 02:40 PM (mOEk5)

98 So did the fed order Amazon and such to take down the merchandise? I would like a bit more backup than an online chat with a representative.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 01, 2015 02:40 PM (fWAjv)

99 The thing that pisses me off the most is that I have enumerated rights, spelled out in the Constitution, but their imaginary rights, spelled out nowhere trumps them. They broke the social contract. There are consequences for that.

Posted by: Iblis at July 01, 2015 02:40 PM (9221z)

100 "The Dukes of Hazzard" was aired at a point in time where Southern culture was (very briefly) considered cool. Why? Because Mr. Peanut was either running or already in the WH. That's why.

I remember a gushing Time magazine cover story called "The New South" which featured two children, black and white, embracing. The story was about how racially progressive the South had become - because Time wanted Jimmah elected.

That was also the heyday of Southern rock and comic but lovable Southerners on sitcoms (that waitress named Flo who said "Kiss my grits..." the Waltons - set in a rural 1930's Virginia that was more southern than Virginia is today.)

This is all about punishing Southerners for failing to vote correctly. If they were still solid D voters, the Dems and their media allies wouldn't care if large numbers of them were tattooing the CBF on their foreheads.

Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at July 01, 2015 02:40 PM (u0lmX)

101 I counted a total of 32 fucks in your post.

*steals a few in case I need to give them later*

I am only pissed about this because I assume --Hell, I know -- that
there already are places where I must bow to their fucking peccadilloes,
but that I am not anywhere allowed to impose my own rules about the
places that I own.

This is where I am. I don't care if you want to run a sharia-compliant business, but stop demanding everyone else's businesses be run that way. (This goes for GLBT-sharia, too.)

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 01, 2015 02:40 PM (ZKzrr)

102 Replacing Conservative Democrats with Republicans was a bad deal for conservatives. I thought it was a victory at the time but it left one of the parties to be controlled by out-right communists.

Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at July 01, 2015 02:40 PM (evdj2)

103 And a sheriff of a neighboring county was black.

Imagine that.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 01, 2015 02:39 PM (oVJmc)

Sheriff Little from Chickasaw County. And he was much, much more competent than the white sheriffs.

But, ummm, racist.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at July 01, 2015 02:41 PM (fWAjv)

104 I will admit that one of my admittedly few regrets in life was not being able to meet Andrew Breitbart in person. He is well and truly missed.

Posted by: Catherine the Great at July 01, 2015 02:41 PM (MT22W)

105 Posted by: Iblis at July 01, 2015 02:40 PM (9221z)

Until we start hanging the bastards, it will be business as usual.

Posted by: Arson Wells at July 01, 2015 02:41 PM (UnJ7w)

106 Davis, CA, oughta be renamed Saint Lewis. BCUZ, H8ERZ!

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at July 01, 2015 02:42 PM (ucB75)

107 All kids named Lee should be thrown in jail

And when they get out, they have to pay reparations.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 01, 2015 02:42 PM (u07AL)

108 When I was growing up in the 70s and 80s the Confederate Flag was a symbol for rebels, not racists. I mean they're gonna have to ban Megaforce, because the 2nd in command had a Rebel Flag for his country patch.

Posted by: Iblis at July 01, 2015 02:42 PM (9221z)

109 Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at July 01, 2015 02:40 PM (u0lmX)

I agree with every word of that post.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 01, 2015 02:42 PM (FsuaD)

110 God I miss Andrew, I second Catherine the Great's comment.

Fuck you. War.

SJWs Delenda Est

Posted by: prescient11 at July 01, 2015 02:42 PM (q5APL)

111 Note to self: get rid of socks. Because I forget to take them off and they smell like shit.

Posted by: physics geek at July 01, 2015 02:42 PM (MT22W)

112 The Corporate Handbook of Proper Employee Conduct may apply when I am working in an office with 100 strangers, but it does not apply when I own my own fucking business and my own fucking property.

The anti-discrimination and anti-smoking laws just called to say hi.

Posted by: rickl at July 01, 2015 02:42 PM (zoehZ)

113 All reminders of the Civil War be removed? Seriously?

I'd vote for Trump/Fiorina just to see John Lewis piss in his nursing home gown when they reinstate all the memorials, tolerate the CBF, and reverse all of King Obama's idiotic Marxist-Leninist decrees.

Posted by: Feh at July 01, 2015 02:43 PM (U5mnP)

114 Here's the thing about cabbies. They get paid by the mile. For them to waste 25 minutes on a call is unacceptable, that is 25 minutes they could have been fleecing someone else. So it is their own best interest notify you of the rules from the start. Probably just a short hand notification is all that is needed, "I'll pick you up in 25 minutes, FYI I am Sharia compliant."

Posted by: Ken at July 01, 2015 02:43 PM (LXJ1e)

115
How do you say Epic Ewok Movie Review in arabic?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 01, 2015 02:43 PM (RWZqW)

116 Y-Not ... and Ace ... regarding cab service and medical service ...

HELL NO !!!

You are NOT entitled to the labor of other's in the private sector ... no matter how damn bad you want it.

No more than you're entitled to mine. Fuck that in particular.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 01, 2015 02:43 PM (NsEJ4)

117 Simple concept which somehow those who are in Power have ignored.

Any Right, encompasses the Right NOT to do it.

The Right to speak, enfolds the Right to remain silent.

The Right to vote, holds within the Right NOT to vote...

And Freedom of Association, which IS an enumerated Right in the Constitution, MUST also include the Right NOT to Associate.

Your Business, gets its Rights, through you, the individual.

The whole 'Public Accommodation' sophistry is the Courts attempt to LIMIT YOUR RIGHT not to ASSOCIATE.... through an overbearing Regulatory State....

You need a business license to do business... yet by getting said License, you give up your Right not to Associate????

Posted by: BB Wolf at July 01, 2015 02:43 PM (qh617)

118 All kids named Lee should be thrown in jail
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 02:39 PM (/tNwW)

Lea's still ok, though, right?

On that arab cab driver thing, I had a cab driver once tell me he wouldn't drop me a zone early (dc) late at night because it was 'against his religion'. What?

But he wanted me to go to the ATM and get more money, and that wasn't happening.

Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 02:44 PM (lIU4e)

119 The Duke Boys were good (ol) boys who dindu nuffin and got hassled by the crooked po-po.

You'd think this is a social justice warrior's dream show.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 01, 2015 02:45 PM (oVJmc)

120 You are NOT entitled to the labor of other's in the private sector ...

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Ha, its funny you consider cab service to be private sector.

Posted by: SH at July 01, 2015 02:45 PM (gmeXX)

121 From: H
To: Abedin, Huma
Subject: We're Headin' South!

Pick up my Daisy Dukes, you know, the ones that don't irritate my ankles.

Posted by: Fritz at July 01, 2015 02:45 PM (o/UmK)

122 "Fat clotted head" will never get old.

Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2015 02:45 PM (ykfyK)

123 105 Posted by: Iblis at July 01, 2015 02:40 PM (9221z)

Until we start hanging the bastards, it will be business as usual.
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 01, 2015 02:41 PM (UnJ7w)

I've been telling the Christians to learn from how the left treats ISIS and other Muzzie Terror groups. The left only respects force.

Posted by: Iblis at July 01, 2015 02:46 PM (9221z)

124 I'd just appreciate Arab cab drivers remembering to wear deodorant.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 01, 2015 02:46 PM (FsuaD)

125 To the people (actually in the other thread) who keeps on saying that the real test is a gay marriage performed in a mosque: I believe you are not serious, here's why

1) muslims already have an exception on obamacare for 'religious' reasons because insurance in their fanatic cult equals usury. I believe they are also allowed not to purchase insurance for home, car etc, so watch out if you are killed/maimed by a muslim driving. With this precedent do you think mosques will not be exempted?

2) to be able to perform a gay marriage in a mosque, you need 2 gay muslims or at least one of them must be muslim (normally the 'other' will be forced to convert). Regardless of the fact that you need to find those 2 gays of the muslim persuasion (if there is such a thing they will not get married in a mosque since they will be secular muslims and will use a civil location), but even if there was on earth such a 'couple' they would have to face the thread of murder by not only their immediate family but also of the rest of the community.

Who would want to risk that? It is very common that muslim fathers murder daughters because they dare to marry an infidel. Explain me how you can find 2 gay muslims willing to sue a mosque to push the conservative agenda?

If you mean that you need to find 2 'actors' (gay or not) then good luck too, since they still risk death more than the mosque or islam will risk anything

I do not understand if you are saying it seriously.

It is impossible to put into action.

Posted by: fromabroad at July 01, 2015 02:46 PM (rnV3B)

126 ace's boss should pay him by the word

Posted by: Truck Monkey is a Mime..... Serious at July 01, 2015 02:46 PM (fLKzW)

127 You are NOT entitled to the labor of other's in the private sector ... no matter how damn bad you want it.

This.

You have no right to what someone else must produce or provide.

That includes a cabby (though, as Ace points out, if you're specifically calling a cab company, and *then* the guy shows up and won't take your fare, that sucks. But the answer is: "so don't do business with that cab company again," or "so advise the dispatcher that you have a dog or whatever."). That includes medical services.

I, as an employee, may have a choice to suck up the corporate policy or find new employment, but potential customers do not get to set company policy- they can choose to do business with the company or not, and the company, get this, can choose to do business with them, or not.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 02:46 PM (kff5f)

128 just them good ole boys
never doin' no harm

Here's a shout out to old Waylon and his kick-ass band.

Posted by: Feh at July 01, 2015 02:46 PM (U5mnP)

129 And Freedom of Association, which IS an enumerated Right in the Constitution, MUST also include the Right NOT to Associate.

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I'm not sure it is. But it is a protected by the 9th A. And it may now be one of those new classes of dignity rights that AK gave us.

Posted by: SH at July 01, 2015 02:47 PM (gmeXX)

130 the idea of a Muslim religious bookstore

Dress however you want, RICO still applies.

Posted by: DaveA at July 01, 2015 02:47 PM (DL2i+)

131 We hope you'll enjoy our substitute programming, My Mother the Kafir.

Posted by: Viacom at July 01, 2015 02:48 PM (8ZskC)

132 Wow.. Ace is a tool. Tried to engage him on Twitter, respectfully, natch, and was told to blow him. Brilliant.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 02:48 PM (XsOa7)

133 Kickass post, Ace. I will not conform. I will not comply.

Fuck you. War.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 01, 2015 02:48 PM (mx5oN)

134 So now we want to wipe out a hugely important part of our history? The Civil War, The War of Northern Aggression or The War of Secession ceases to exist because some symbols offend someone?

No fucking way.

I'm a 10th generation Yankee and it soils the memory of all those who served and died on both sides during this horrible war.

Is it because it was Republicans who brought an end to slavery that bothers these people so much? That it was the Democrats who were the founders of the KKK?

Can't have that can we?
It would be so embarrassing to the SJW.

Posted by: mpfs, Questioning My Sanity at July 01, 2015 02:48 PM (M+tdH)

135 Beat all you ever saw been in trouble with the law since the day they was born.

Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 02:49 PM (lIU4e)

136 My solution:

Rename the Interstate Highways in Southern States after Union Generals.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 01, 2015 02:49 PM (0MJOU)

137 A really great article. I just wish you didn't use fuck so fucking much. I would be sharing it otherwise. Can't you just be a little more corporate?

Posted by: Rick at July 01, 2015 02:49 PM (vSZ1j)

138 That includes a cabby (though, as Ace points out, if you're specifically calling a cab company, and *then* the guy shows up and won't take your fare, that sucks. But the answer is: "so don't do business with that cab company again," or "so advise the dispatcher that you have a dog or whatever."). That includes medical services.

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That's not the problem with the cab as a comparison. The problem with the cab is that it is a government controlled monopoly. You could argue that state licensing is the same - and perhaps it is - but it is not to the same degree as restricting the # of cab medallions put on the street.

Posted by: SH at July 01, 2015 02:49 PM (gmeXX)

139 "I don't see why a store run by a pious conservative Muslim can't demand that women be covered, if that's his bag,"

LOL, ISWYDT.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 01, 2015 02:50 PM (IxLzY)

140 but potential customers do not get to set company policy- they can
choose to do business with the company or not, and the company, get
this, can choose to do business with them, or not.

How do you get a ride in a town with one cab company and company policy is they won't take Christians?

I get that you-specific are gonna have some high-minded "well I'll just make my boss pay for a rental car" or something, but you-general Christian who takes a cab in every city he's sent for work because he's legally blind and that makes it difficult to get a valid license for the rental is kinda fucked.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 01, 2015 02:50 PM (ZKzrr)

141 So did the fed order Amazon and such to take down the merchandise? I would like a bit more backup than an online chat with a representative.

That's all I've seen/heard.
That's why I said, "Amazon claims they were told".

Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2015 02:50 PM (P8HwW)

142 "Can't have that can we?
It would be so embarrassing to the SJW."

Listen, don't assume the negative. Just post that stuff on every comment board you use. Make sure it gets out there.

Posted by: Feh at July 01, 2015 02:50 PM (U5mnP)

143 Excellent! Sorry I missed it earlier.

Posted by: rebel flounder at July 01, 2015 02:50 PM (Vf5rR)

144 I'm a firm believer that businesses have the right - the right of property, enshrined in our founding - to refuse business to anyone they want no matter how stupid the reason. If you don't want redheads in your establishment, well okay then. Your loss.

Personally I don't find removing the Dukes of Hazzard from TV a bad thing because the show is retarded crap. Its just awful. But I don't care for the reason its being removed. The show means nothing to me, but the motivation means a lot.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 02:51 PM (39g3+)

145 "Wow.. Ace is a tool. Tried to engage him on Twitter, respectfully, natch, and was told to blow him. Brilliant."

Saw the thread. Ace's reply was appropriate for your level of questioning. I can see why you have about 15 followers.

Posted by: Paul at July 01, 2015 02:51 PM (P1jJI)

146 How do we know they'll make the right decisions? How do we force them to make the right decisions?

I love when leftists say stupid shit like this, because they beg the question: what IS the right decision?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 01, 2015 02:51 PM (oKE6c)

147 >>We hope you'll enjoy our substitute programming, My Mother the Kafir.

"Little Mosque on the Prairie"

http://www.cbc.ca/littlemosque/

Posted by: Lizzy at July 01, 2015 02:52 PM (NOIQH)

148 Wow.. Ace is a tool. Tried to engage him on Twitter, respectfully, natch, and was told to blow him. Brilliant.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 02:48 PM (XsOa7)

Blow me.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 01, 2015 02:52 PM (YFw5T)

149 Cab problem? Call Uber.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 01, 2015 02:52 PM (sgrzZ)

150 Arabs, ISIS, and Liberals= Perfect together

They all love destroying history

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 02:52 PM (/tNwW)

151 146 How do we know they'll make the right decisions? How do we force them to make the right decisions?

I love when leftists say stupid shit like this, because they beg the question: what IS the right decision?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 01, 2015 02:51 PM (oKE6c)

The right decision is the one they force you at gunpoint to make.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 01, 2015 02:52 PM (mx5oN)

152 136 My solution:
Rename the Interstate Highways in Southern States after Union Generals.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 01, 2015 02:49 PM (0MJOU)

Watch a bunch of otherwise law abiding people all of a sudden become sign stealers and defacers.

Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 02:52 PM (lIU4e)

153 "Wow.. Ace is a tool. Tried to engage him on Twitter, respectfully, natch, and was told to blow him. Brilliant."

Saw the thread. Ace's reply was appropriate for your level of questioning. I can see why you have about 15 followers.

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Please share - just the high points (or low ones).

Posted by: SH at July 01, 2015 02:52 PM (gmeXX)

154 You have no right to what someone else must produce or provide.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 02:46 PM (kff5f)

We have declared otherwise...

Because the Income Tax is legal... and Obamacare is a Tax... and the Subsidies stand.

So yes, we will use your labor, to pay for other peoples health care.,..

Although, we won't CALL you an indentured Servant... or Peseant... because that would be Unconstitutional.

Posted by: BB Wolf at July 01, 2015 02:52 PM (qh617)

155 was told to blow him. Brilliant.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 02:48 PM (XsOa7)

Blow me.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 01, 2015 02:52 PM (YFw5T)

Were does the line start?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 02:53 PM (/tNwW)

156 148 Wow.. Ace is a tool. Tried to engage him on Twitter, respectfully, natch, and was told to blow him. Brilliant.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 02:48 PM (XsOa7)

Pucker up, buttercup.

No sympathy here.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 01, 2015 02:53 PM (nqiq9)

157 Excellent pece ace.You killed it.

Posted by: steevy at July 01, 2015 02:53 PM (sPO3u)

158 Ace has a castle?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 01, 2015 02:53 PM (8ZskC)

159 154 You have no right to what someone else must produce or provide.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 02:46 PM (kff5f)

We have declared otherwise...

Because the Income Tax is legal... and Obamacare is a Tax... and the Subsidies stand.

So yes, we will use your labor, to pay for other peoples health care.,..

Although, we won't CALL you an indentured Servant... or Peseant... because that would be Unconstitutional.

Posted by: BB Wolf at July 01, 2015 02:52 PM (qh617)

Dam..... sock fail.... that was supposed to be John Roberts saying that.... /facepalm

Posted by: BB Wolf at July 01, 2015 02:53 PM (qh617)

160 155 was told to blow him. Brilliant.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 02:48 PM (XsOa7)

Blow me.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 01, 2015 02:52 PM (YFw5T)

Were does the line start?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 02:53 PM (/tNwW)

On the left.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 01, 2015 02:54 PM (mx5oN)

161 "Bonanzallahu ackbar."
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 01, 2015 02:54 PM (0MJOU)

162 Great Pot Ace

Like White on Rice

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 02:54 PM (/tNwW)

163 Jay, it's like some ideological form of obsessive-compulsive disorder. Loons.

Posted by: Feh at July 01, 2015 02:54 PM (U5mnP)

164 What we have today is an infestation of Church-Ladies-who-do-not-belong-to-a-church. Punishing sin with wild abandon and refering to nothing higher than their own bigotries.

Fuck them with the horse they rode in on.

Posted by: The Truth, the whole Truth etc. at July 01, 2015 02:54 PM (ioXP7)

165 From: H
To: Huma
Subject: Toothbrush

Huma pick up a new toothbrush, this one doesn't froth properly!

From: Huma
To: H
Subject: ReToothbrush

H, you have to put toothpaste on the brush first.

Posted by: at July 01, 2015 02:54 PM (HstNY)

166 >>So now we want to wipe out a hugely important part of our history? The Civil War, The War of Northern Aggression or The War of Secession ceases to exist because some symbols offend someone?

*Makes note to re-read "The Book of Laughter and Forgetting."

So they essentially want to airbrush out "offensive" history.

Do they not see that *they* are now the book-burners and censors?

Posted by: Lizzy at July 01, 2015 02:55 PM (NOIQH)

167 Repeal anti-discrimination laws that apply to the private sector. Only the government has to treat us all the same. Eliminate the left's prime weapon against freedom. Its the primary way in which they try to divide us and pit us against each other. At the very least, remove LGBT from "protected classes". A personal choice does not make a protected group.

Posted by: Iblis at July 01, 2015 02:55 PM (9221z)

168 When I visited Louisville KY I noticed a lot of reminders of Slavery, such as signs pointing out where the markets were and plaquards on statuary extolling Slave X who did such and such.

As long as Dignity is the watchword, I guess anybody who feels butthurt over those has the right to have em torn down all over the South too.

Which is not a seriousproposal unless you're LIB crowd.

Posted by: Bigby's Indian Sunburn at July 01, 2015 02:55 PM (3ZtZW)

169 Great post, ace.

Posted by: @votermom at July 01, 2015 02:55 PM (GMwwL)

170 145
"Wow.. Ace is a tool. Tried to engage him on Twitter, respectfully, natch, and was told to blow him. Brilliant."

Saw the thread. Ace's reply was appropriate for your level of questioning. I can see why you have about 15 followers.

Posted by: Paul

There's a line forming, hope you have knee pads.
Blow me too, chump.

Posted by: Gmac- 'all politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at July 01, 2015 02:55 PM (4CRfK)

171 We miss Breitbart.

Badly.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 01, 2015 02:55 PM (nqiq9)

172 My solution:

Rename the Interstate Highways in Southern States after Union Generals.

Posted by: BumperStickerist

My dear, that would bankrupt the state of West Virginia or as I refer to it...the state of Robert Byrd. The ole, dead grand wizard of the KKK.

Posted by: mpfs, Questioning My Sanity at July 01, 2015 02:56 PM (M+tdH)

173 How do we know they'll make the right decisions? How do we force them to make the right decisions?

I love when leftists say stupid shit like this, because they beg the question: what IS the right decision?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 01, 2015 02:51 PM

Bill Clinton on why he opposed returning the "surplus" to the taxpayers: "We could give it back to you....but you might not spend it right."

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 01, 2015 02:56 PM (h4vJk)

174 Comrade you need help airbrushing those pictures?

Posted by: Stalin at July 01, 2015 02:56 PM (/tNwW)

175 Wheel of Decapitations

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 01, 2015 02:56 PM (8ZskC)

176 Os Guiness put it this way:

"In America today, it is considered worse to judge evil than to do evil."

When you point out someone doing something awful, you're the bad guy because you make them feel bad.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 02:56 PM (39g3+)

177
Ace does not suffer fat clotted heads gladly.

Well...sometimes.

Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2015 02:56 PM (ykfyK)

178 162 Great Pot Ace

Colorado version?

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 01, 2015 02:56 PM (nqiq9)

179 The right decision is the one they force you at gunpoint to make.

Make that first shot count.
Because they won't get a second one.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2015 02:56 PM (P8HwW)

180 Thank you for reposting this.

The destruction of the public and the private, the politicization of every single solitary thing imaginable, the conflation of self with employment, all of that is viciously destruction to humanity qua humanity.

It's reductive.

It's anti-human.

It's vile.

And it's even more so when it's "my" side that does it.

We are turning into a country where the tall poppy is cut down. That should horrify everyone.

Hell, aren't we the ones who believe that localities should be free to do as they will? So that store doesn't want to sell to me. So what. Someone else will. Oh it might inconvenience me in the very slightest. Who the hell do I think I am that my convenience is paramount over others? I am not a toddler. I am not an infant. I am not some screeching banshee who believes, honestly and truly, that only her will is what matters and only her agency and personhood are to be respected.

No. No. It's not merely corporatizing. It's an attempt to sanitize the messiness of humanity. That will fail because life is messy.

Do not mistake me. I place a high value on manners, though, to my shame, frequently I do not display the same. Life goes by more smoothly if people treat one another with simple common decency. All evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, I do attempt to display at least some modicum of tact in dealing with others, both in the real world and online. There are phrases I will not use, and confrontations I will not have, and issues that I left pass by because it is not worth the harm that will ensue to others to give me the momentary (and passing) spike of pleasure in being vicious and nasty. There is a person on the other side of that screen. An actual human being who deserves that I attempt at least to remember that said person has just as much right to be treated decently as do I.

Remembering and attempting to respect that is basic human decency. Sadly, that appears to be in short supply.

What is being demanded is not that we return to an age of better manners. What is being demanded is that we all have the same bland, boring, gray, uniform, utterly pathetic hive mind and no one steps out of line. What a waste of life. How joyless.

I was watching Auntie Mame last night and was reminded of just how much the message of that movie resonates with me. Not just life's a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death but the end of it where there is the war for Patrick's soul and Mame notes that she will not let him be turned into an Aryan from Darien but then stops and says that he's not hers either. He is his own person who must make his own way. She must set him free as well. It is just as shackling to demand that he abide by what she teaches as it is to end up in a restricted community. Both are prisons of the soul.

That mindset, that a person should be free to be who he or she is and that person must, in turn, treat decently those who are not like him or her, is under vicious attack from both the Left and the Right.

It has been ever so, of course, but I have been naive enough to presume that at least the Right will try to stand up and say, yes, that person has the right not to associate with me just as I have the right not to associate with him because freedom matters most.

I do not want to live in a world where everyone is forced to pretend that we all agree. So some people won't serve me or hire me or whatever Because Reasons. So? I am free to go out there and say hey all of you who can't go over there? Come over here and I'll be happy to take all of your money. That is the world in which I want to live. Not some bland world where no one says anything upsetting and everyone agrees and isn't everything just ever so lovely.

There's a reason that whenever you see a world like that on tv or on the screen or in a book, you know immediately that you are entering a dystopia, not a utopia.

No. No. No. A million times no.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 01, 2015 02:56 PM (mf5HN)

181 Great Pot Ace

Colorado version?
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 01, 2015 02:56 PM (nqiq9)

Yeah Yeah

Typo or Fraudian slip?

Posted by: Stalin at July 01, 2015 02:57 PM (/tNwW)

182 I love when leftists say stupid shit like this, because they beg the question: what IS the right decision?

+100. As I said, it's my hobby horse. Politically correct should be determined as locally as possible, never forgetting that Good Enough is Good Enough. If the self-governing polity is happy the way things are, and their control doesn't extend so far as to make it unavoidable, they should get their way. If you town behaves stupidly, in your opinion, then try to persuade them that they are wrong. If you can't persuade them and you can't stand it, move.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at July 01, 2015 02:57 PM (evdj2)

183 >>>> Great Pot Ace

**skokskrok**

its cool man

koff

Posted by: Bigby's Indian Sunburn at July 01, 2015 02:57 PM (3ZtZW)

184 So the difference between the liberals sanitizing the civil war and the Nazi's burning books are?

Posted by: wrg500 at July 01, 2015 02:57 PM (sgrzZ)

185 I feel left out. Ace has never told me to blow him. *sadface*

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 02:57 PM (39g3+)

186 I remember the first time seeing Andrew Brietbart's War declaration. I remember getting chills and thinking "Fuck yes, this motherfucker is on our side."

Then shortly after that he was gone, life is so unfair sometimes.

Anyway, it's still as powerful as ever watching him again. R.I.P. Andrew, you're sorely missed.

Posted by: Arson Wells at July 01, 2015 02:57 PM (UnJ7w)

187 Speaking of Huma, did y'all hear Rush reading some of the Hillary transcripts? Huma had to explain to Hillary how a fax machine worked by telling her to "hang up the receiver, it's a fax." Apparently Hillary would, and then when the fax machine beeped, she'd pick up the receiver again.

Hillary should be drinking on her plantation's veranda, talking out her memoirs and yelling at some young white slave to hurry up with the fucking dictation already.

Posted by: Feh at July 01, 2015 02:58 PM (U5mnP)

188 >>My dear, that would bankrupt the state of West Virginia or as I refer to it...the state of Robert Byrd. The ole, dead grand wizard of the KKK.

Though he was a Kleagle, not grand wizard (but I couldn't tell you the diff between the two titles).
Regardless, I all on board w/removing all references to that known, proud Racist Robert Byrd.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 01, 2015 02:58 PM (NOIQH)

189 I'm old enough to remember when Dolores Umbrage and her rules-giving was considered 'Bad' and the Ministry of Magic was also considered "Bad".
_

But, I'm pretty old.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 01, 2015 02:58 PM (0MJOU)

190 So the difference between the liberals sanitizing the civil war and the Nazi's burning books are?
Posted by: wrg500 at July 01, 2015 02:57 PM (sgrzZ)

There is none

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 02:58 PM (/tNwW)

191 190 So the difference between the liberals sanitizing the civil war and the Nazi's burning books are?
Posted by: wrg500 at July 01, 2015 02:57 PM (sgrzZ)

There is none
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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The Nazi's trains ran on time.

Posted by: Roy at July 01, 2015 02:58 PM (VndSC)

192 >>> We are turning into a country where the tall poppy is cut down. That should horrify everyone.

confess to not understanding this allusion

Posted by: Bigby's Indian Sunburn at July 01, 2015 02:59 PM (3ZtZW)

193

Meh,,

What difference, at this point, does it make??1/!?11!!/111/?1??//?

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at July 01, 2015 02:59 PM (HSmrB)

194 No. No. No. A million times no.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 01, 2015 02:56 PM

*lights cigarette*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 01, 2015 02:59 PM (h4vJk)

195 I'd rather watch "The Dukes Of Hazzard" than the ultra-lib "The A-Team". If you put French berets atop the pates of those van-driving weirdos, you'd have college courses devoted to the show.

Posted by: mrp at July 01, 2015 03:00 PM (JBggj)

196 Barney had a girlfriend.

The gangly Barney, not the purple one.
Posted by: revolting peasant at July 01, 2015 02:35 PM (41UtW)
----------------------------------------------------
My girlfriend is Zork, but the Puffta responsible for Dodd-Frank is teh ghey, so I doubt he has a gf.

Posted by: Matthew Barney, Krispy Kreme Master at July 01, 2015 03:00 PM (6qR/9)

197 AllenG

When we burn it down do we evacuate it first, or lock the doors?

Posted by: The Truth, the whole Truth etc. at July 01, 2015 03:00 PM (ioXP7)

198 Posted by: Gmac- 'all politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at July 01, 2015 02:55

Methinks you missed my point.

If you're interested, just look up Unhappy Camper on Twitter. He's basically just making the Bill Quick argument, even dumber somehow.

Posted by: Paul at July 01, 2015 03:00 PM (P1jJI)

199 Thank you for writing and posting what I've been thinking, including all the curse words. It's refreshing to see it there in black and white, all the euphemisms removed, just from-the-gut statement of belief.

I've lost so many friends in the last 8 years, because they've become automatons regarding every single thing, public and private, and seek to force others to agree with them. I won't, I demur politely when at dinner parties (because started a huge fight at a formal dinner party is rude to the hostess), but since I don't jump up and down, clapping with wildenthusiasm and squeals at their Every PreciousMoment of Thought I've been dropped, and am happier with the fewer and far more interesting friends I'm left with. But those dinners sure were good.

Posted by: Biblio at July 01, 2015 03:00 PM (7o8VY)

200 The Nazi's trains ran on time.
Posted by: Roy at July 01, 2015 02:58 PM (VndSC)

Actually those were Italian Trains. The Nazi Trains were always late due to the heavy traffic to Poland and the Death Camps

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:00 PM (/tNwW)

201 Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 01, 2015 02:50 PM (ZKzrr)

Yes, it does. And sometimes life sucks.

We live in a world where things aren't perfect. Men are not angles, nor are we governed by them.

Liberty means that, sometimes, bad things will happen to people who don't necessarily deserve them. I am not okay with limiting liberty for the majority because of a minority of people who will be inconvenienced.

Yes, that sucks. I'm sorry that sucks. If I happen to know someone who is blind and therefore needs a ride everywhere, but no one will take him because Christian (a year ago I would have said that was ludicrous), then I will gladly offer him free rides within my ability to do so.

The answer to "attending the difficulties of too much liberty" is not to reduce liberty, it is for fellow human beings to stand up and *be* fellow human beings.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 03:00 PM (kff5f)

202 >>> We are turning into a country where the tall poppy is cut down. That should horrify everyone.

confess to not understanding this allusion

It's code. Read it backwards.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 01, 2015 03:01 PM (8ZskC)

203 Its an old story, at least from Greek times about how to control a people. A tyrant was talking to a visiting king who was asking how he kept his people in line. The tyrant responded by drawing his sword as they walked and chopping the tops off of poppies that grew taller than the rest. If you cut down the ones that excel or stand out, then everyone else will fall into place and no one will be better than the other.

CS Lewis has a variant of this in his book Screwtape Letters: the devil is teaching demons how to deal with their humans they tempt.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 03:01 PM (39g3+)

204
What is being demanded is not that we return to an age of better manners. What is being demanded is that we all have the same bland, boring, gray, uniform, utterly pathetic hive mind and no one steps out of line. What a waste of life. How joyless.

I want to kiss you.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 01, 2015 03:01 PM (JtwS4)

205 And to those bemoaning the cab thing ... Including HR, who will always have a place in my pack when Shit Hits The Fan ...

... Blame Govt. for regulating cabs, as others have said. It's the PERFECT example of govt. putting their nose where it does not belong, screwing things up, then insisting on MORE infringements of Liberty to fix the screw up.

No one is ENTITLED a cab ride. Not even the blind.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 01, 2015 03:01 PM (NsEJ4)

206 Remember, all of this Confederate flag purging came about becuase someone on our side extended an Olive Branch.

Had we held firm, it would have been a forgotten issue for a single news cycle.

Posted by: Kal at July 01, 2015 03:01 PM (g9RIG)

207 First the Muslim says we have a dress code due to our sincere religious belief, so you can't come in. "But but but but that's a dress code, not discrimination!" OK, then the Muslim says, "due to our since religious belief, women aren't permitted." And then he says, "Well, this is going swimmingly. Non-Muslims can't enter at all."

I say this as someone who's a single-issue voter, and the issue is: who will eliminate as much govt as possible. So I'm not just trolling. But someone explain to me why the above should be permitted and/or isn't a natural progression.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:02 PM (XsOa7)

208 confess to not understanding this allusion

That's in the Game of Thrones out-take, I think.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at July 01, 2015 03:02 PM (evdj2)

209 Well said, alex.

Posted by: Feh at July 01, 2015 03:02 PM (U5mnP)

210 75 Good ol' Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) is now insisting All Reminders Of The Civil War be removed. All of them.

Would this be a bad time to point out that blacks are a reminder of the Civil War?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 01, 2015 03:02 PM (oKE6c)

211 I saw Slayer during their God Hates Vehicular Safety tour back in 2002.

But seriously, great post.

Posted by: Big McLargehuge at July 01, 2015 03:02 PM (u9OP6)

212 Breitbart my man, you were taken too soon.

Go get him, Ace. It's either Liberty all the time or none of the time. If it is Security all of the time, we have lost our Republic.

Posted by: exdem13 at July 01, 2015 03:02 PM (ry4ab)

213 The other day my husband and I were talking and remembered Dave Mustain coming out in favor of Santorum. We wondered if he had ever said anything about gay marriage, and lo and behold he had.

He was asked if he supported gay marriage and he said "nope, I'm not gay so I'm not going to be getting gay married". They then asked if he supported legalizing it and he said "nope, I'm a Christian."

That's it. Literally. That was all he said.

Well the author of the piece went on and on about how he was "ostracizing" his fan base and blah blah blah.

Then the author quoted some random metal guy who know one cares about as a "example of someone NOT ostracizing his fan base."

Except that douche bag just listed a bunch of liberal talking points and said, at one point, that most metal fans were uneducated and poorly traveled.

He literally, explicitly insulted his own fans, but in this liberal world that was not being divisive. Divisive is saying you're a Christian.

These people are not people. They're emotions with hands.

Posted by: Lauren at July 01, 2015 03:02 PM (MYCIw)

214 Wow.. Ace is a tool. Tried to engage him on Twitter, respectfully, natch, and was told to blow him. Brilliant.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 02:48 PM (XsOa7)Good.There's not enough of this.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 01, 2015 03:02 PM (oVJmc)

215 confess to not understanding this allusion
----------------------

Google it. It's very apropos.

Posted by: Roy at July 01, 2015 03:02 PM (VndSC)

216 Hey, whoa, wait a minute there Ace. Why all the hate for us Cuckolds?....

Biden/Frank 2016!

Posted by: Joe Biden at July 01, 2015 03:02 PM (D0NZx)

217 I say this as someone who's a single-issue voter, and the issue is: who will eliminate as much govt as possible. So I'm not just trolling. But someone explain to me why the above should be permitted and/or isn't a natural progression.

If someone wants to insular and economically stupid, why should we care?

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at July 01, 2015 03:03 PM (evdj2)

218 Gimme an A
Gimme a C
Gimme an E

Whats it spell? "FUCKING INTERNET WIN!"

Posted by: tfox72 at July 01, 2015 03:03 PM (DVC2D)

219 confess to not understanding this allusion
Posted by: Bigby's Indian Sunburn at July 01, 2015 02:59 PM (3ZtZW)

Tall Poppy Syndrome. It's mainly a Britishism (more so Aussie and NZ) used to describe the social situation where someone who stands out from the crowd, via merit or being different, or accomplishment, is cut down by the crowd.

It's a reference to pruning away that which stands out.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 01, 2015 03:03 PM (mf5HN)

220 Men are not angles, nor are we governed by them.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 03:00 PM

Yes, but thankfully, women have curves.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 01, 2015 03:03 PM (h4vJk)

221 >>>we have faced worse external threats,

Don't worry, that'll change thanks to horse face femur and Obozo.

Posted by: Ayatollah Khamenei at July 01, 2015 03:03 PM (6qR/9)

222 This just happened in my office. We have a door bell that plays different tunes that you can set it to. Our admin person was setting the ring and was going through the different tunes when it statrted playing Dixie. Everyone immediately started laughing .

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 01, 2015 03:03 PM (Q4pU/)

223 Brava, alexthechick.

You're one in a million.

Always enjoy having you around the HQ, My Queen.

Keeps me on my toes.

Posted by: mpfs, Questioning My Sanity at July 01, 2015 03:03 PM (M+tdH)

224 I know people who lived in a world where the tall poppies were all cut down.

You know what happened? When the State became the Great Provider, people felt perfectly absolved to be absolutely *shitty* to each other.

And they were.

Posted by: Feh at July 01, 2015 03:04 PM (U5mnP)

225 185 I feel left out. Ace has never told me to blow him. *sadface*
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 02:57 PM (39g3+)

Me either. However, did he at least ever threaten to ban you, or mock you in bold type on the main page then?

Posted by: Iblis at July 01, 2015 03:04 PM (9221z)

226 Err... "men are not angels." They are also not "angles," but that makes a lot less sense in context.

When we burn it down do we evacuate it first, or lock the doors?

Posted by: The Truth, the whole Truth etc. at July 01, 2015 03:00 PM (ioXP7)

Depends on who is inside.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 03:04 PM (kff5f)

227 We live in a world where things aren't perfect. Men are not angles, nor are we governed by them.

No, but they can be pretty obtuse.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 01, 2015 03:04 PM (mx5oN)

228 Trying to wipe out History is ignorant, but then all progressives are ignorant.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:05 PM (/tNwW)

229 Another great piece Ace. You've earned the rest of the day off.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 01, 2015 03:05 PM (8ZskC)

230 204
What is being demanded is not that we return to an age of better manners. What is being demanded is that we all have the same bland, boring, gray, uniform, utterly pathetic hive mind and no one steps out of line. What a waste of life. How joyless.

I want to kiss you.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 01, 2015 03:01 PM (JtwS4)

Are you of the body?

Posted by: Landrieu at July 01, 2015 03:05 PM (qh617)

231 And, once again, my theory that long-term mass unemployment has societal impact has been proven right again. Your average Milennial don't understand what privacy is because they've never practiced it. They're sitting around, getting worked up over what they see in social media because they either don't have a job or their employer doesn't care that they're surfing the web (or, even worse, they managed to snag a job where they manage social media).

Posted by: pookysgirl walks like a pirate at July 01, 2015 03:05 PM (IJeUX)

232 --145

"Wow.. Ace is a tool. Tried to engage him on Twitter, respectfully, natch, and was told to blow him. Brilliant."

----------------------

Ace hasn't got time to converse with every person that wanders by.
You need to show that you are serious; blow him.

Posted by: irright at July 01, 2015 03:05 PM (8GKDa)

233 As to "the threat now comes from within", Exhibits A-D is that ISIS is tweeting the location of this weeks FBI temporary command posts (via instapundit), Preezy is arming Iran and has more WH visits from the Muslim Brotherhood than his cabinet and Al $harpton has >50 WH visits in these #BlackLiesMatter days we live in.

It is war.

Posted by: John Doe@AnotherQuidam at July 01, 2015 03:05 PM (g1MTt)

234 I'm having a spell of weird typos, not so much misspellings, though I do that plenty, but leaving out words, as though my brain is going too fast for my keyboard.

Of course the simple answer would be to read what I typed before hitting Post, but no. That's against the Spirit of the HQ.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at July 01, 2015 03:06 PM (evdj2)

235 However, did he at least ever threaten to ban you, or mock you in bold type on the main page then?

Not so far. He's disagreed with me a few times in comments, but always in a gentlemanly fashion where we argue ideas rather than people. At least I try to.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 03:06 PM (39g3+)

236 I have to wonder if anyone has reminded the left that Dick Cheney was in favor of gay marriage before Hillary and Obama.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 01, 2015 03:06 PM (O7MnT)

237 Actually those were Italian Trains. The Nazi Trains were always late due to the heavy traffic to Poland and the Death Camps
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:00 PM (/tNwW)

--

If only the Naxis had thought of High Occupancy Vehicle rail lines...

Posted by: @votermom at July 01, 2015 03:07 PM (cbfNE)

238 So Blacks at the counter...?

Posted by: nip at July 01, 2015 03:07 PM (a6Odp)

239 Testing...

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:07 PM (XsOa7)

240 I want to kiss you.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 01, 2015 03:01 PM (JtwS4)

#twoweeks

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 01, 2015 03:07 PM (mf5HN)

241 Golden Spike Park in Utah is where the two halves of the transcontinental railroad met up. The park does reenactments of that historic moment with two replica steam trains, representing the original Jupiter and 119 trains.

I've decided that removing the Confederate flag from All The Things, historic or not, is the equivalent of deciding that the Jupiter's name is racist, so the train will no longer be used in the reenactment.

Would it look silly to have only the 119 chug up to the spot where the two trains met, and have the reenacters celebrate? Incredibly silly; you are missing half of history. Same with leaving the Confederate flag out of any visuals of the Civil War. Our country is run by idiots.

Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at July 01, 2015 03:08 PM (hvf9s)

242 If only the Naxis had thought of High Occupancy Vehicle rail lines...

Posted by: @votermom at July 01, 2015 03:07 PM

What they needed was Monorail!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 01, 2015 03:08 PM (h4vJk)

243 By the way, if you go to Quick's site, a couple of things jump out. For a supposed libertarian, he really hates the notion that anyone disagrees with him on anything related to social issues, especially homosexuality. For another, based on the number of comments, roughly three people read his blog.

Posted by: Paul at July 01, 2015 03:08 PM (P1jJI)

244 220 Men are not angles, nor are we governed by them.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 03:00 PM

Might want to talk to the other tribes of Britainia about that!

Posted by: Romans, as they left Britain at July 01, 2015 03:08 PM (qh617)

245 What do you want JoeSchmoe?

Posted by: Arson Wells at July 01, 2015 03:08 PM (UnJ7w)

246 235 However, did he at least ever threaten to ban you, or mock you in bold type on the main page then?

Not so far. He's disagreed with me a few times in comments, but always in a gentlemanly fashion where we argue ideas rather than people. At least I try to.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 03:06 PM (39g3+)

Oh....Well this is awkward.

Posted by: Iblis at July 01, 2015 03:08 PM (9221z)

247 What they needed was Monorail!

That's more of a Shelbyville idea.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at July 01, 2015 03:08 PM (evdj2)

248 Whut in tha everlovin cockring wearing, butt plug jamming hell is a Bill Quick???

Posted by: maddogg at July 01, 2015 03:08 PM (xWW96)

249 Here's the thing about cabbies. They get paid by the mile. For them to waste 25 minutes on a call is unacceptable, that is 25 minutes they could have been fleecing someone else. So it is their own best interest notify you of the rules from the start. Probably just a short hand notification is all that is needed, "I'll pick you up in 25 minutes, FYI I am Sharia compliant."

Posted by: Ken at July 01, 2015 02:43 PM (LXJ1e)

Thing is, most places, one could not make a living as a sharia-compliant cab driver if one required that all passengers also be sharia-compliant. Anymore than an Ewok cab driver could make a living carrying only Ewoks as passengers. It's pretty much a given in the cab business, that to make a living, one has to take on all passengers other than those who seem to be truly dangerous, or so commode-hugging drunk that they are likely to puke on the upholstery.

Having said that, I would be pleased as Hell if there was a way to ensure that I wasn't about to put dollars in a muslim's pocket when I pick up the phone to call a cab.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 01, 2015 03:08 PM (IxLzY)

250 Actually those were Italian Trains.

See! I told you!

Posted by: Benito! at July 01, 2015 03:09 PM (YFFpo)

251 "Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 01, 2015 02:56 PM"

well maybe it will help if whiners weren't writing extremely hyperbolic sentences like "you want to throw me in jail".

When was the last time a conservative person threw a homo in jail?

Maybe a little perspective from the ghey world that 'claims' to be 'against this' wouldn't hurt.

Maybe a little less talking about how outraged you are (Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here) and a little more doing wouldn't hurt.

But now I stop here otherwise next post you will be claiming someone is out to crucify you.

Posted by: fromabroad at July 01, 2015 03:09 PM (rnV3B)

252 Here's a "think piece" topic for you...

If slavery were suddenly made legal, but only to those who voluntarily sign up for it, what percentage of the population would agree to be "slaves"?

The new slave would give up their rights to self determination and agree that all their labor is owned by their "master". The master would have to agree to feed, cloth, house, protect and otherwise maintain the slave for the rest of their life. Corporal punishment would be allowed, but not to exceed reasonable limits.

So no worries or responsibilities in exchange for doing what you're told. Freedom for security.

How many Prissies out there?

What percentage of people would want the master role, along with the lifetime obligations?

Posted by: jwest at July 01, 2015 03:09 PM (9ZZd+)

253 Your average Milennial don't understand what privacy is because they've never practiced it.

Indeed. Privacy seems alien to most young people, swimming in a sea of social media. Is there a single teen/college age girl who hasn't sent a nakie picture to someone left on earth?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 03:09 PM (39g3+)

254 164 What we have today is an infestation of Church-Ladies-who-do-not-belong-to-a-church. Punishing sin with wild abandon and referring to nothing higher than their own bigotries.

Posted by: The Truth, the whole Truth etc. at July 01, 2015 02:54 PM (ioXP7)

I've said we're now living in the world's biggest homeowners' association.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 01, 2015 03:09 PM (oKE6c)

255 207 someone explain to me why the above should be permitted and/or isn't a natural progression.

Because it's their own business, their own property, and they should be able to decide who comes in for ANY FUCKING REASON AT ALL.

As Ace says, why should I care?

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at July 01, 2015 03:09 PM (SCcgT)

256 149
Cab problem? Call Uber.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 01, 2015 02:52 PM (sgrzZ)

2A problem, go fuck yourself.

Posted by: UBER at July 01, 2015 03:09 PM (Vf5rR)

257 Do we want to live in a country where everyone gets to establish their own little fiefdom and people are made to feel unwelcome on the basis of their immutable characteristics? Do we want storekeepers to be able to say to invitees, Go away Kike/Nig***/Wop/Slanty, we don't serve your kind in here. If you're OK with that, so be it. I'm not.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:09 PM (XsOa7)

258 "Men are not angles," but some say I'm obtuse.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at July 01, 2015 03:09 PM (YFw5T)

259 Y-Not

You know how much I love you, but you always seem to take the side that We Need People In Charge Giving Us Rules So That We're Not Too Different.

You are speaking of Maj Hassan. 1, that is at work, so that is different. 2, I would give people *at work* some leeway too. You have to make adjustments for a blind worker; it does not see me that the world will end if some religious nutter doesn't want to be alone with women. I'm sure there are enough people that his goofy need can be accomodated.

If it CAN'T be accomodated, well, then he'll have to be told to do the job like everyone else, or find another job; but I don't think the first impulse should be 'NO WE MUST ALL FOLLOW THE SAME RULES."

What I am talking about is a bookshop imposing a dress code. If You believe that YOU have the right to dress however you like ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY, I'm afraid you're exaggerating your own imagined rights and, worse yet, denigrating someone else's real rights.

If you owned a bookshop, I assume you would claim the right ot set the rules for behavior -- no shirtless men, no loud profanity, etc. Why you would deny someone else this same right -- just because his conception of proper behavior differs from yours -- eludes me.

Your way is, frankly, the corporate sort of way I don't like. You want a Rules-Making Authority above us, making sure we don't deviate from the line.

I do not want this, and not only do I not trust the sort of people who worm their way into Rules-Making positions, I actively hate them. (Or most of them-- present company excluded, if you're one of the rules-makers.)

At some point you must begin to accept that someone eles'e right to free expression, or to live his life as he will, may offend or upset you, but he has that right, and you do not have the right to not be upset.

Posted by: ace at July 01, 2015 03:10 PM (bhepQ)

260 Jesse Jackson Targets Facebook For His Patented Racial Shakedown After Learning Only 1% Of Companys Employees Are Black

weasel Zippers

GOOD! FB is a vipers nest of progressive weinnies and they are getting what they deserve

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:10 PM (/tNwW)

261 If the SJWs demand I wear the Mao jacket, I will refuse.

Not only because of my principles of freedom and liberty for all. Gray makes me look washed out. Not my color.

alex, you know why they want us to conform?
Because we are gingers. We are the Tall Poppies in the field. We disrupt the Circle of Life.

Posted by: mpfs, Questioning My Sanity at July 01, 2015 03:10 PM (M+tdH)

262 Trolls?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:11 PM (/tNwW)

263 257 Do we want to live in a country where everyone gets to establish their own little fiefdom and people are made to feel unwelcome on the basis of their immutable characteristics? Do we want storekeepers to be able to say to invitees, Go away Kike/Nig***/Wop/Slanty, we don't serve your kind in here. If you're OK with that, so be it. I'm not.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:09 PM (XsOa7)

Freedom means being free to be an asshole.

Posted by: Iblis at July 01, 2015 03:11 PM (9221z)

264 >>>A tyrant was talking to a visiting king who was asking how he kept his people in line. The tyrant responded by drawing his sword as they walked and chopping the tops off of poppies that grew taller than the rest.

thanks

Posted by: Bigby's Indian Sunburn at July 01, 2015 03:11 PM (3ZtZW)

265 Diversity means we all think the same thoughts and speak the se words. Shun the non-diverse, hound him out of his livelihood.

Btw, have you heard that Macy's is dropping Trump's clothing line because of an online petition.

Posted by: @votermom at July 01, 2015 03:11 PM (cbfNE)

266 Why should you care? Because you've never been discriminated against. Go ask a black person who lived in the south before the Civil Rights Act days whether they cared about being told to fuck off when trying to stay in a hotel room, or getting a bite to eat after a 6-hour car ride.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:11 PM (XsOa7)

267 BTW, saw a poll on Foxnews last night that reported 70% of the respondents were against banning the CBF.

Posted by: maddogg at July 01, 2015 03:11 PM (xWW96)

268 >>>of course I would be fighting, racistly angry about a Muslim who insisted on Islamic dress codes in his own store.

When lefties pull this shit, you can safely ignore it, because it's a con. They say, "If you support X, then other people (gheys, Muslims) will insist on their own version of X and you don't want that".

Thing is, these other groups are already probably insisting on X and getting away with it anyway, so this concern can safely be ignored. The only way in which it is significant is in terms of fair play, but since the other side has never played fair and is numb to such concerns, this too can be ignored. You reserve fair play for those with an ethical sense, as you reserve lethal force for someone trying to take your life.

Posted by: According to your principles at July 01, 2015 03:11 PM (6qR/9)

269 "This is all about punishing Southerners for failing to vote correctly.
If they were still solid D voters, the Dems and their media allies
wouldn't care if large numbers of them were tattooing the CBF on their
foreheads."

This.

With the power of ten thousand exploding suns.

With luck, though, that "Clinton-Gore" CBF campaign button will at least cause Canquelles some headaches in the primaries.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 01, 2015 03:12 PM (noWW6)

270 "Men are not angles"

I don't agree. I think I'm acute one.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 01, 2015 03:12 PM (nqiq9)

271 The new slave would give up their rights to self determination and agree that all their labor is owned by their "master".

Your describing marriage.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 01, 2015 03:12 PM (sgrzZ)

272 Ace misspelled fcuk.

Posted by: uptight Victorian moron at July 01, 2015 03:12 PM (6qR/9)

273 Poor, poor Mr. Quick.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at July 01, 2015 03:12 PM (bLnSU)

274 Why do trolls feel compelled to re-fight the Civil War?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:13 PM (/tNwW)

275 It is war. Peacock.

#twoweeks
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at July 01, 2015 03:07 PM (mf5HN)

Awww.

Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 03:13 PM (lIU4e)

276
"Men are not angles," but some say I'm obtuse.

We are acutely aware.

Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2015 03:13 PM (ykfyK)

277 If you're OK with that, so be it. I'm not.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:09 PM (XsOa7)

Listen, you little brownshirted, statist slope head, nobody gives a fuck what you think or what you want.
This is a free country and people can be as inclusive, mean, or different as they want to be. Fucking asshole, go post at mother jones.

Posted by: Arson Wells at July 01, 2015 03:13 PM (UnJ7w)

278 "We are acutely aware."

It's a matter of degree.

Posted by: Feh at July 01, 2015 03:13 PM (U5mnP)

279 272 Ace misspelled fcuk.

Good point. Does this mean we say "fuck" or "fcuk" now?

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 01, 2015 03:13 PM (nqiq9)

280 2A problem, go fuck yourself.
Posted by: UBER

FU.
-UBER Drivers Who Still Carry

Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2015 03:14 PM (P8HwW)

281 Freedom means being free to be an asshole.

Yeah that. Moreover, it's a canard, or an outcome so remote as to be a canard. Most, to damn near every, community wouldn't allow such a business to prosper. If I ran a National Socialist bookstore in my town, it would have to be a not-for-profit hobby. Likewise if I said no coloreds allowed.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at July 01, 2015 03:14 PM (evdj2)

282 253 Christopher Taylor,
You'd better believe my daughters haven't.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at July 01, 2015 03:14 PM (9Y7bY)

283 With luck, though, that "Clinton-Gore" CBF campaign button will at least cause Canquelles some headaches in the primaries.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 01, 2015 03:12 PM (noWW6)

She's an Alinsky-ite. That means never being held to account for anything.

Posted by: Iblis at July 01, 2015 03:14 PM (9221z)

284
271 The new slave would give up their rights to self determination and agree that all their labor is owned by their "master".

Your describing marriage.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 01, 2015 03:12 PM (sgrzZ)

Income Tax.... Democrat policies...

some assembly required...

Posted by: BB Wolf at July 01, 2015 03:14 PM (qh617)

285 Leftwingers do this all the time -- they employ the rhetorical gambit, "How silly it is for you to ever care about this trivium!"

So you say: Well, Old Man, if it's trivial, surely you wouldn't mind conceding the trivial point to me, eh?

At which point they say: "Are you mad? This is an important matter of principle!!!"

To be fair, this happens with some on the right as well. The reason is not so much ideology as weak rhetorical skills and intellectual immaturity. People haven't learned to argue or structure their thoughts logically, so they can't make sense when they try to defend their position.

I find this sort dull to talk to because their arguments are so easy to demolish, usually in a manner that leaves them utterly unaware they lost, that its a waste of time.

For example, on twitter, someone demanded proof God existed, so I provided the cosmological argument, which took a while and after a while the guy got distracted and sniffed "give me one thing that you cannot measure scientifically or with your senses" except he was not as succinct or intelligent in his statement.

I responded "the very question you just asked." He replied that he won because I couldn't answer, and I pointed out that I had answered him: the idea that he was arguing was by its very nature impossible to measure with science or senses. I further noted that logical positivism (the position he was promoting) had been demolished nearly a century ago because it was so blatantly self-defeating.

His response: "I prefer to cling to Logical Positivism."

So I dropped it. He was beyond reaching with language.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 03:15 PM (39g3+)

286 Also, I've only seen one ep of Dukes of Hazzard but I went ahead and bought the entire series on Amazon (using Ace's portal!) One of my friends has fond memories of watching that with her dad, so she will get it as a Christmas present. Then if the series is banned forever, at least I'll know one person that still has it.

John Nolte did an article on why Blazing Saddles will be banned. MSM mocked him over it but he is starting to look like a freakin' prophet.

Our people on the right would stop saying crazy predictions if the left would just stop proving those crazy predictions correct!

Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at July 01, 2015 03:15 PM (hvf9s)

287 But now I stop here otherwise next post you will be claiming someone is out to crucify you.
Posted by: fromabroad at July 01, 2015 03:09 PM (rnV3B)

Some of us might just call you a dick and be done with it.

Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 03:15 PM (lIU4e)

288 Glad Ace looks at Mother Jeans so I don't have to.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 01, 2015 03:15 PM (nqiq9)

289 Yeah that. Moreover, it's a canard, or an outcome so remote as to be a canard. Most, to damn near every, community wouldn't allow such a business to prosper. If I ran a National Socialist bookstore in my town, it would have to be a not-for-profit hobby. Likewise if I said no coloreds allowed.

And when people vandalized your store every single night, there would be an amazingly, nay - unbelievably low number of witnesses.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 03:15 PM (kff5f)

290 276 "Men are not angles," but some say I'm obtuse.
We are acutely aware.
Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2015 03:13 PM (ykfyK)

To a certain degree.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 01, 2015 03:15 PM (oKE6c)

291 This is a free country and people can be as inclusive, mean, or different as they want to be. Fucking asshole, go post at mother jones.
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 01, 2015 03:13 PM (UnJ7w)

Who the fuck said anything about inclusivity, meanness or differences? All I said was we shouldn't permit places of public accommodation to discriminate. Take your fucking meds, dumbass.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:16 PM (XsOa7)

292 Jesse Jackson Targets Facebook For His Patented Racial Shakedown After Learning Only 1% Of Companys Employees Are Black

Good for you, "reverend"! But you're not exactly on a roll lately, are you? Did your kid get out of jail yet? No, your "legitimate" kid. I don' think Facebook hands out distributorships like Budweiser, but maybe they could toss him something.
But you keep trying, okay! You'll be back on top in no time.Reverend Al won't live forever....

Posted by: tu3031 at July 01, 2015 03:16 PM (YFFpo)

293 "If you're OK with that, so be it. I'm not."

Translation: "The free market, what does it mean?"

Posted by: Feh at July 01, 2015 03:16 PM (U5mnP)

294 >>When was the last time a conservative person threw a homo in jail?

The worst people in the world from a gay leftists perspective are the Westboro Baptist Street Theatre Troupe. (ISIS? Never heard of them.)

Yet the WBSTT has never once threatened a gay person with direct physical harm.

Never.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 01, 2015 03:16 PM (O7MnT)

295 Quaker uniformity with all the Puritan tolerance. Yep, thats what we've become.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 01, 2015 03:16 PM (oDCMR)

296 276
"Men are not angles," but some say I'm obtuse.

We are acutely aware.
Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2015 03:13 PM (ykfyK)

Is there a point to this?

Posted by: Insomniac at July 01, 2015 03:16 PM (mx5oN)

297 274 Why do trolls feel compelled to re-fight the Civil War?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:13 PM (/tNwW)

Because its a way to split the last remaining NON Minority up... ie White Males...

Posted by: BB Wolf at July 01, 2015 03:16 PM (qh617)

298 Is this the greatest blog post in the history of all blog posts? Why yes...it just might be that.

Posted by: Brett at July 01, 2015 03:16 PM (0Nfgn)

299 Would like to say. despite mystification, very familial with the idea behind it.

Posted by: Bigby's Indian Sunburn at July 01, 2015 03:16 PM (3ZtZW)

300 Some of us might just call you a dick and be done with it.
Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 03:15 PM

Only those inclined to be very polite.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 01, 2015 03:17 PM (h4vJk)

301 257 Do we want to live in a country where everyone gets to establish
their own little fiefdom and people are made to feel unwelcome on the
basis of their immutable characteristics? Do we want storekeepers to be
able to say to invitees, Go away Kike/Nig***/Wop/Slanty, we don't serve
your kind in here. If you're OK with that, so be it. I'm not.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:09 PM (XsOa7)

Blow me.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 01, 2015 03:17 PM (oVJmc)

302 I'm smart, not like they say!

Posted by: Joe at July 01, 2015 03:17 PM (HstNY)

303 Why should you care? Because you've never been discriminated against. Go ask a black person who lived in the south before the Civil Rights Act days whether they cared about being told to fuck off when trying to stay in a hotel room, or getting a bite to eat after a 6-hour car ride.

You may have noticed that Jim Crow only survived *because* it was State Imposed. Not because businessmen didn't care about making a dollar.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at July 01, 2015 03:17 PM (evdj2)

304 "Do we want storekeepers to be able to say to invitees, Go away
Kike/Nig***/Wop/Slanty, we don't serve your kind in here. If you're OK
with that, so be it. I'm not."

I've had restauranteurs and barkeeps say to me to go away, YT not welcome.

Fine with that. Freedom of association.

My money's green. The vast majority of business proprietors seem focused on that color more than any other.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 01, 2015 03:17 PM (noWW6)

305 I've said we're now living in the world's biggest homeowners' association.

Posted by: Jay Guevara

That's a fucking beautiful sentence. I wish I'd thought it up.

Posted by: mpfs, Questioning My Sanity at July 01, 2015 03:17 PM (M+tdH)

306 >>John Nolte did an article on why Blazing Saddles will be banned.

Silver Streak will also be banned, or, at a minimum, the sequence with Gene Wilder in blackface will be censored.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 01, 2015 03:17 PM (O7MnT)

307 Freedom's just another word for....yadda yadda..

Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2015 03:17 PM (ykfyK)

308 Wow, and we were just *joking* a few days ago that the Duke Boys would be banned.

Poe's Law applied to leftards once again.

P.S. Is TV Land a Viacom company? Because less than two weeks ago I was watching Dukes there.

Posted by: logprof at July 01, 2015 03:17 PM (9bpxs)

309 Wow, and we were just *joking* a few days ago that the Duke Boys would be banned.

Poe's Law applied to leftards once again.

P.S. Is TV Land a Viacom company? Because less than two weeks ago I was watching Dukes there.

Posted by: logprof at July 01, 2015 03:17 PM (9bpxs)

310 I will have to read this later. It's brilliant Ace but you know I've got calls to make.

Posted by: Carol at July 01, 2015 03:17 PM (sj3Ax)

311 GOOD! FB is a vipers nest of progressive weinnies and they are getting what they deserve

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:10 PM (/tNwW)
I couldn't agree more.
Love to see dirtbags turning on each other.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 01, 2015 03:17 PM (oKE6c)

312 Yeah that. Moreover, it's a canard, or an outcome so remote as to be a canard. Most, to damn near every, community wouldn't allow such a business to prosper. If I ran a National Socialist bookstore in my town, it would have to be a not-for-profit hobby. Likewise if I said no coloreds allowed.
Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at July 01, 2015 03:14 PM (evdj2)

This is true now. In the olden days, you sure as fuck could do exactly that. Well, maybe not Nazi bookstore due to WWII, but a KKK-inspired theme park in the South? Oh yeah.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:18 PM (XsOa7)

313 The threat now comes from within.

-
It's coming form inside the house!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 01, 2015 03:18 PM (XUKZU)

314 John Nolte did an article on why Blazing Saddles will be banned. MSM mocked him over it but he is starting to look like a freakin' prophet.

Our people on the right would stop saying crazy predictions if the left would just stop proving those crazy predictions correct!
Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at July 01, 2015 03:15 PM (hvf9s)

Right after he wrote that, I made sure I had access to a copy.
I think I'm going to do that with Bibles, Children's Bibles, and The Catechism of the Catholic Church. And if you have "questionable" books on kindle, use Calibre to back them up in case Amazon decides to "recall" them.

Posted by: Iblis at July 01, 2015 03:18 PM (9221z)

315 Ok Ace, so where is this "war" Andrew was talking about?

Did I miss something?

Posted by: pam at July 01, 2015 03:19 PM (EAZ7y)

316 "Men are not angles," but some say I'm obtuse.

We are acutely aware.
Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2015 03:13 PM (ykfyK)

Is there a point to this?

Posted by: Insomniac at July 01, 2015 03:16 PM

We're just complementing him.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 01, 2015 03:19 PM (h4vJk)

317 Samizdat.

Posted by: Feh at July 01, 2015 03:19 PM (U5mnP)

318 I've said we're now living in the world's biggest homeowners' association.

--

Stealing that for twitter

Posted by: @votermom at July 01, 2015 03:19 PM (mAhOK)

319 I repeat myself.

Posted by: logprof at July 01, 2015 03:19 PM (9bpxs)

320 Who the fuck said anything about inclusivity, meanness or differences? All I said was we shouldn't permit places of public accommodation to discriminate. Take your fucking meds, dumbass.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:16 PM (XsOa7)

You cannot do business in the US without a business license.

If you have a business license, they have decided, through Sophistry, that you give up your God Given RIGHT, and enumerated in the Constitution, of Freedom of Association.

The Constitution says that Government will not inhibit, or make laws, which inhibit, enumerated Constitutional Rights.

If you do not LIKE that Right, then please feel free to AMEND the Constitution.... don't just IGNORE it through Sophistry.

Posted by: BB Wolf at July 01, 2015 03:19 PM (qh617)

321 Why should you care? Because you've never been discriminated against.

Everyone has been discriminated against. Everyone. Everyone, everywhere. The truth is, we have no right to be treated nicely. We have no right to avoid things we dislike or think are unpleasant. We have no right to live without jerks in our presence.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 03:20 PM (39g3+)

322 "Jesse Jackson Targets Facebook For His Patented Racial Shakedown After Learning Only 1% Of Companys Employees Are Black"

I keep having to point out that the huge donations by Silicon Valley companies to Democrats are, in part, protection money.

To prevent having the EEOC come sniffing around and musing out loud about "disparate impact", federal suits, and consent decrees.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 01, 2015 03:20 PM (noWW6)

323 And while Ace is talking about Things That Matter, the compliant propaganda press is just whiling away their time reprinting press releases from the Democrats (the GOPe's are equally guilty) thanking the little people in Hollywood and Park Avenue for paying for Hillary's G3 bills.

Seriously, that's what they're fucking doing.

Still, the campaign has substantial costs, including the salaries of hundreds of workers already on the payroll, travel expenses including the intermittent use of a private plane by the candidate

http://bloom.bg/1NwumBM

Posted by: MTF at July 01, 2015 03:20 PM (LISuA)

324 The worst people in the world from a gay leftists
perspective are the Westboro Baptist Street Theatre Troupe. (ISIS? Never
heard of them.)

Yet the WBSTT has never once threatened a gay person with direct physical harm.

Never. Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 01, 2015 03:16 PM (O7MnT)

It can never be said enough that the founder of Westboro Baptist is a democrat.

Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at July 01, 2015 03:20 PM (hvf9s)

325 but a KKK-inspired theme park in the South? Oh yeah.

I think I'll need a cite for that. Google returns nada.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at July 01, 2015 03:20 PM (evdj2)

326 You may have noticed that Jim Crow only survived *because* it was State Imposed. Not because businessmen didn't care about making a dollar.
Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at July 01, 2015 03:17 PM (evdj2)

You think Heart of Atlanta Motel was turning away black folks because the State of Georgia required it? I'd reread my history books if I thought that.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:20 PM (XsOa7)

327 1) Carter Country
2) Matlock

They have the Georgia State Flag, the "Confederate Battle Flag" in scenes. That Must. Not. Stand.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 01, 2015 02:26 PM (0MJOU)

Add Andy Griffith to the list. It was set in the south. So racist

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 01, 2015 03:21 PM (493sH)

328 Why should you care? Because you've never been discriminated against.

Uh huh. Try being the poor kid in a private school.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 01, 2015 03:21 PM (mx5oN)

329 but a DEMOCRAT KKK-inspired theme park in the South? Oh yeah.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:18 PM (XsOa7)

FIFY

Posted by: Arson Wells at July 01, 2015 03:21 PM (UnJ7w)

330 Do we want storekeepers to be able to say to invitees, Go away Kike/Nig***/Wop/Slanty, we don't serve your kind in here. If you're OK with that, so be it. I'm not.
======================

Used to be businesses had a right to refuse service on any basis. Typically it was because of rudeness or slovenly behavior/dress, and you can still see that with "No Shirt/No Shoes/No Service" signs. Which, now that you mention it fkn TRIGGER me

Posted by: Bigby's Indian Sunburn at July 01, 2015 03:21 PM (3ZtZW)

331 Don't give JoeSchmoe too much crap. There's a helluva lot more people reading his brainfarts now than on Twitter. This is his moment to shine before he's a complete irrelevancy to the national discourse again.

Posted by: Paul at July 01, 2015 03:22 PM (P1jJI)

332 There is a restaurant in Groton Ct called 99 Restaurant & Pub.. Must be the number because it sucked also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:22 PM (/tNwW)

333 The worst people in the world from a gay leftists perspective are the Westboro Baptist Street Theatre Troupe. (ISIS? Never heard of them.) Yet the WBSTT has never once threatened a gay person with direct physical harm. Never.

Who are:

1. Lawyers that employ the same tactics the leftist and ecofrek groups do (lawsuits against municipalities)
2. Democrats

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 01, 2015 03:22 PM (Spluw)

334
Add Andy Griffith to the list. It was set in the south. So racist
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 01, 2015 03:21 PM (493sH)

Ron Howard participated in that racist enterprise! All of his works must be banned as well as they are tainted fruit!

Posted by: Iblis at July 01, 2015 03:22 PM (9221z)

335 Ace is correct. If you own a business and do not want to serve someone because of race, creed, color or religion that is your RIGHT. However this all changed in 1964 with the feds overreaching and forcing people to serve any and all due to the need to "correct" the past transgressions based upon race, etc. While everyone has been indoctrinated to think the 1964 Civil Rights Act is some gift from heaven, it is the same overreach as last weeks supreme court rulings. You are either free to discriminate or you are not. Freedom does not mean you get to force people to do things because you think it is right. If someone does not want to serve blacks at a lunch counter, then they are discriminating and making a stupid business decision. But it is not up to the federal government to "fix" it.

Posted by: Freeman No More at July 01, 2015 03:22 PM (D0NZx)

336 If you have a business license, they have decided, through Sophistry, that you give up your God Given RIGHT, and enumerated in the Constitution, of Freedom of Association.

The Constitution says that Government will not inhibit, or make laws, which inhibit, enumerated Constitutional Rights.

Posted by: BB Wolf at July 01, 2015 03:19 PM (qh617)

Actually, the Constitution contains neither of those things. But thanks for playing.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:22 PM (XsOa7)

337 Do we want storekeepers to be able to say to invitees, Go away Kike/Nig***/Wop/Slanty, we don't serve your kind in here. If you're OK with that, so be it. I'm not.

No, I don't.

But if the choice is between that and having an almighty Thought Police State enforcing an SJW version of the morality police and crushing out all non-conforming thought, I would choose the objectionable over the oppressive.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 01, 2015 03:22 PM (O7MnT)

338 Ok Ace, so where is this "war" Andrew was talking about?

Did I miss something?

Posted by: pam at July 01, 2015 03:19 PM (EAZ7y)

You may have missed Breitbart's death, which appears increasingly likely was NOT natural.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2015 03:22 PM (TOk1P)

339 Right after he wrote that, I made sure I had access to a copy.

I think I'm going to do that with Bibles, Children's Bibles, and The
Catechism of the Catholic Church. And if you have "questionable" books
on kindle, use Calibre to back them up in case Amazon decides to
"recall" them.

Posted by: Iblis at July 01, 2015 03:18 PM (9221z)

Gone with the Wind too! Nolte also wrote a great article on how if you are going to ban GWTW you need to ban the Malcolm X movie too, and laid out a case for why. It was great.

Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at July 01, 2015 03:23 PM (hvf9s)

340 "Some of us might just call you a dick and be done with it.

Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 03:15 PM"

Yeah, truth obviously butt hurt you.

Nice try, but it is quite pathetic to protect someone who obviously said something massively stupid and insulting to everyones' intelligence just because you are out to protect someone who is infantile enough to need protection by the big guys of the blog.

You do not even realize how hypocritical you are.

Still waiting for the stats about how many gheys have been imprisoned because they were gheys by conservatives.

Instead of insulting you might try to look up if your friend simply said an immense bullshit or not.

So how many?

Posted by: fromabroad at July 01, 2015 03:23 PM (rnV3B)

341 You think Heart of Atlanta Motel was turning away black folks because the State of Georgia required it?

I'm saying it wouldn't have mattered if all businesses were free to accept the guests of their choosing.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at July 01, 2015 03:23 PM (evdj2)

342 When they take off the Hee Haw reruns, then it's time to leave the USA.

Posted by: Roy at July 01, 2015 03:23 PM (VndSC)

343 There goes Ken Burns' epic, The Civil War.

How did I know I was watching fiction?

Posted by: mpfs, Questioning My Sanity at July 01, 2015 03:24 PM (M+tdH)

344 Just a historical reminder -

LBJ stated he would end state racial discrimination and segregation but his courts ended up delivering Federal racial discrimination and national racial segregation. I think we can ignore the equality and accommodation laws and just follow the logic of the Democratic Judges - is the law good for the Party.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 01, 2015 03:24 PM (oDCMR)

345 I keep having to point out that the huge donations by Silicon Valley companies to Democrats are, in part, protection money.

To prevent having the EEOC come sniffing around and musing out loud about "disparate impact", federal suits, and consent decrees.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 01, 2015 03:20 PM (noWW6)

If I remember correctly that asshat at Amazon was about to incur the wrath of the left for alleged slave labor or sweat shop conditions. He made a couple million dollar donation to some gay rights or marriage group and POOF! no more labor issues. The mob could take lessons from the left.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 01, 2015 03:24 PM (493sH)

346 Goldberg was on Bennett this morning and they were discussing that hip, edgy pro-gay sitcom from a few years ago, Will and Grace. That could not be aired today because of the stereotyping.

The cultural revolutionists believe that the purpose of the last 6000 yeas of history was create this moment in time and now that nirvana has been reached, their values will endure forever. Wrong! You will be eaten by the insatiable utopianists and for evidence of your evil, they will look at your acts today. You're going to wish you hadn't quite so vigorously stamped out diversity and liberty.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 01, 2015 03:24 PM (XUKZU)

347 Gone with the Wind too! Nolte also wrote a great article on how if you are going to ban GWTW you need to ban the Malcolm X movie too, and laid out a case for why. It was great.
Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at July 01, 2015 03:23 PM (hvf9s)

Nolte is really good.
Its also a good thing that I have a couple of extra American Flags, and copies of the Federalist Papers and Constitution, because you know they're out to ban them too!

Posted by: Iblis at July 01, 2015 03:24 PM (9221z)

348 KKK-inspired theme park in the South? Oh yeah

WTF? This is a fever dream you're having.

Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 03:24 PM (lIU4e)

349 I've been thinking about this very thing for a long time-

and in essence the "problem" is that we as a country

already have a large group of people who self-conform to a set of behaviors that allow them to be successful:

These people are called middle or upper class.

Progtards look at the outliers -

those who are unsuccessful in society because they refuse to follow a program of successful behaviors and thoughts that world-wide allow them to enter the middle or upper class-

and try to construct laws to force the outliers into productive behavior.

The problem comes in - because they can't allow themselves to identify society's self-made losers.

So, in the interest, of "fairness" they try to impose these laws to control the outlier's behavior on everyone.

"Yes means Yes" and "Rape Culture" is a great example of this. As well as deeming phrases like "everyone can succeed in America" is racist.

Everyone can succeed in America-

The solution to the outliers problems are right there in front of their fucking faces every single fucking day.

But , they choose to fight reality then whine when their magical thinking fails.

Ultimately, as Ace suggests, we need to say GFY to the SJWs.

But we also need to say GFY to the outliers, we need to stop funding failure and we need to stop encouraging failure.

They need to grow up like the rest of us, self-improve and surf the chaos of everyday life.

Will everything work out hunky-dory? God, no. It never does ( hence learning to surf the chaos).

But, wanting people to do the best they can with what they have-

instead of being stuck in a pathetic life-long position of self-imposed powerlessness-

is an act of love.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 01, 2015 03:24 PM (0cMkb)

350
"We have it on good authority that Bo and Luke were not gay, so dump them!" - Viacom

Posted by: wth at July 01, 2015 03:24 PM (wAQA5)

351 Hey, gay guys, stop raping kids in our schools, churches and community groups and people might be less repulsed by you pretending you're married. Just sayin'.

Posted by: LincolnTF at July 01, 2015 03:25 PM (2cS/G)

352 It can never be said enough that the founder of Westboro Baptist is a democrat.

And campaigned for Al Gore as I recall. But yeah, they never cause physical harm to their targets, just yell and hold up signs. I suspect most of the really, honestly believe they are doing God's work, despite being so very wrong.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 03:25 PM (39g3+)

353 328 Why should you care? Because you've never been discriminated against.

Uh huh. Try being the poor kid in a private school.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 01, 2015 03:21 PM (mx5oN)

Try being a white male in the modern US Military...

You are literally on the bottom of the pile, when it comes to promotions... because... affirmative action.

I have DIRECTLY been the victim of INSTITUTIONALIZED Racial Discrimination, conducted by the US Government.

Posted by: BB Wolf at July 01, 2015 03:25 PM (qh617)

354 >>>> I've had restauranteurs and barkeeps say to me to go away

Heh. Back in my PunkRawk days, I had an asshole jump out from behind the counter yelling NO grab me and push me out of the door. Yes it was fkn assault. Guy went out of business not too long after b/c he was asshole like that to all of us. Word gets out.

Posted by: Bigby's Indian Sunburn at July 01, 2015 03:25 PM (3ZtZW)

355 Bill Quick is a Dumbass. That's all I got.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at July 01, 2015 03:25 PM (U7H1n)

356
If someone does not want to serve blacks at a lunch counter, then they are discriminating and making a stupid business decision. But it is not up to the federal government to "fix" it.

Um, seriously?

I know lots of people in this thread are making that point, and I am damn near a property rights libertarian purist, but no. Allowing racial discrimination is just morally wrong.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 01, 2015 03:25 PM (JtwS4)

357 331 Don't give JoeSchmoe too much crap. There's a helluva lot more people reading his brainfarts now than on Twitter. This is his moment to shine before he's a complete irrelevancy to the national discourse again.
Posted by: Paul at July 01, 2015 03:22 PM (P1jJI)

This is the attitude that continues to lead to our side losing elections. You can't stand any fucking dissent from your point of view, so you retards keep telling me to blow you (wtf is up with that, btw?) instead of engaging and showing me why I'm wrong. "CONSTITUTION AND FREEDOM SO FUCK YOU!" is not an answer. Our freedoms are circumscribed in a million different ways. The Constitution doesn't prohibit many a thing, and yet we're OK with those things being prohibited.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:26 PM (XsOa7)

358 WTF? This is a fever dream you're having.
Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 03:24 PM (lIU4e)

I think he means South of the Border.

Posted by: Iblis at July 01, 2015 03:26 PM (9221z)

359 I just really don't like the racist south. I'm happy in my 99.9% white Connecticut town.

Posted by: JoeBlowMe at July 01, 2015 03:26 PM (HstNY)

360 Joe, you differ with the Commies only on the ends, not on the means.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at July 01, 2015 03:26 PM (evdj2)

361 Ace, you left out the most important thing about Bill Quick: he and most of his regulars present themselves as "libertarian" and "anti-statist".

And they are.... right up until the question becomes whether having the state run the lives of people (usually Christians) they have issues with. At that point their "anti-theism" kicks in and they just lurves them some govmint.

Posted by: SDN at July 01, 2015 03:26 PM (p/ktF)

362 You know ... I'm pretty public about being a 2A guy ... I'm sure most here know that.

If a cabby don't wanna' gimme' a ride because of my Molon Labe tee ... I'll call another damn cab. Fuck him ... I do not want to pay his fare either.

And if I want to pay Alex double ... It's nobody else's business. We'll talk about snatch, my inner lesbian trapped in this male body, philosophy, snatch, history, law, snatch ... and I don't give a damn that she's sitting on three phone books and still can't see over the dash or reach the fucking peddles.

And if you don't like it ... You can kiss my ass.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 01, 2015 03:26 PM (NsEJ4)

363 Pedro's South of the Border

Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at July 01, 2015 03:26 PM (evdj2)

364 "Remake Dukes of Hazzard with Bo and Luke pulling a Jenner. That's the ticket!" - Viacom

Posted by: wth at July 01, 2015 03:27 PM (wAQA5)

365 Try being a white male in the modern US Military...

You are literally on the bottom of the pile, when it comes to promotions... because... affirmative action.

I have DIRECTLY been the victim of INSTITUTIONALIZED Racial Discrimination, conducted by the US Government.
Posted by: BB Wolf at July 01, 2015 03:25 PM (qh617)

I got out of the military in 2008. Served 8 years in the Marine Corps. As a Jew. Made it to Staff Sergeant. Which is exactly where I should've made it. Don't chalk up your own failings to discrimination.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:27 PM (XsOa7)

366 I was going to post the obligatory "Who the fvck is Bill Quick and why should I care?" line, but after reading one of this comments in the linked piece, he makes it apparent that he doesn't understand the Strawman fallacy.

Thus answering the second part of the question - I shouldn't.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 03:27 PM (xSCb6)

367 Why should you care? Because you've never been discriminated against.

Yup. Just try being the only Joooo in a Catholic School. Yes, I admit it....I killed Christ.

Those nuns sure were nice to me.

Posted by: mpfs, Questioning My Sanity at July 01, 2015 03:27 PM (M+tdH)

368 Ace, you are a beautiful guy.

Posted by: steveracer at July 01, 2015 03:28 PM (LILOd)

369 363 Pedro's South of the Border
Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at July 01, 2015 03:26 PM (evdj2)

Yep. That's it! Stereotyping an' everything in one roadside tourist trap!

Posted by: Iblis at July 01, 2015 03:28 PM (9221z)

370 this comments=his comments*

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 03:28 PM (xSCb6)

371 Joe, you differ with the Commies only on the ends, not on the means.
Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at July 01, 2015 03:26 PM (evdj2)

I'm a commie because I don't believe people giving public accommodations should be able to discriminate? Ridiculous.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:28 PM (XsOa7)

372 338 You may have missed Breitbart's death, which appears increasingly likely was NOT natural.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2015 03:22 PM (TOk1P)
========================

What are you talking about?

Posted by: MTF at July 01, 2015 03:28 PM (LISuA)

373 Allowing racial discrimination is just morally wrong.

Sure. But is it something that the government should be involved in? Adultery is a moral wrong, too. Does that mean we need federal adultery laws? One could make a pretty good argument that its far worse on society than being a jerk to someone.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 03:28 PM (39g3+)

374 WTF? This is a fever dream you're having.

Posted by: Lea

No kidding. I've never heard of such a place.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at July 01, 2015 03:28 PM (/Ho8c)

375 356
If someone does not want to serve blacks at a lunch counter, then they are discriminating and making a stupid business decision. But it is not up to the federal government to "fix" it.

Um, seriously?

I know lots of people in this thread are making that point, and I am damn near a property rights libertarian purist, but no. Allowing racial discrimination is just morally wrong.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 01, 2015 03:25 PM

That just makes you selectively statist.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 01, 2015 03:28 PM (mx5oN)

376 "We have it on good authority that Bo and Luke were not gay, so dump them!" - Viacom Posted by: wth at July 01, 2015 03:24 PM (wAQA5)

If we can prove that Bo, Luke, Daisy and the General Lee were all in a consenting Otherkin relationship and how dare you deny their love!, can we get the show back ON the air?

Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at July 01, 2015 03:28 PM (hvf9s)

377 >>Why should you care? Because you've never been discriminated against.

Not true. I've actually lost jobs on account of Teh Ghey.

I have also... and I was told this by a hiring manager... lost out on at least one job because of my conservative politics.

And, growing up as I did on the wrong side of the tracks in a small town, I was denied several opportunities in my high school years because the administrators thought I wasn't "the right kind" of student to send to Boys State, or be on the Debate Team.

But I still support freedom.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 01, 2015 03:28 PM (O7MnT)

378
Too bad you can't get a Johnny Reb flag any more. I'd fly it, along with the Gonzales flag.

Come and take it

And keep the softball bat handy.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at July 01, 2015 03:29 PM (1hM1d)

379 I'm a commie because I don't believe people giving public accommodations should be able to discriminate? Ridiculous.

Read the sentence again.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 01, 2015 03:29 PM (evdj2)

380 Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:11 PM (XsOa7)

Unfortunately you don't understand those things would have eventually changed without the government forcing the change and violating the basis of our freedoms.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 01, 2015 03:29 PM (Q4pU/)

381 "The worst people in the world from a gay leftists perspective are the Westboro Baptist Street Theatre Troupe. (ISIS? Never heard of them.)

Yet the WBSTT has never once threatened a gay person with direct physical harm.

Never.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale"

It cannot be true, a special snowflake here claimed yesterday that conservatives wants her ghey ass in jail (repeated several times).

Since this person is a special snowflake, apparently worshipped around here for some reason, I guess it must be true and there must be a long list of conservatives putting in jail gheys because they are ghey.

And I was told they weren't the Westboro people. It was, the horror, ordinary conservatives.

Posted by: fromabroad at July 01, 2015 03:29 PM (rnV3B)

382 " lead to our side"

Awww, it's so cute that you pretend to be a conservative. Now run along now, Joey boy, I'm sure the customers at the drive-thru are getting a little impatient now. The line must be freaking huge.

Posted by: Paul at July 01, 2015 03:29 PM (P1jJI)

383 Bravo Ace

Posted by: JHW at July 01, 2015 03:29 PM (w+zdY)

384 protection by the big guys of the blog

Hilarious!

Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 03:29 PM (lIU4e)

385 Speaking of Huma, did y'all hear Rush reading some of the Hillary transcripts? Huma had to explain to Hillary how a fax machine worked by telling her to "hang up the receiver, it's a fax." Apparently Hillary would, and then when the fax machine beeped, she'd pick up the receiver again.

Posted by: Feh at July 01, 2015 02:58 PM (U5mnP)

Oddly enough, I can sympathize with Hilldawg on that one. When you have only one line, how the Hell do you know if an incoming call is a fax or a real call? I had to use fax for years at work, often over a cellphone link, and it was a major PITA, let me tell you. Try faxing a 3-foot long strip of a well log as a single page over a bad cell connection. I am so, so happy that e-mail has essentially made fax all but obsolete. And I don't have to transmit logs anymore, either. Now the loggers all have satellite uplink, and can post the logs in real time on a secure server for their clients to view in the comfort of wherever.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 01, 2015 03:29 PM (IxLzY)

386 "We have it on good authority that Bo and Luke were not gay, so dump them!" - Viacom Posted by: wth at July 01, 2015 03:24 PM (wAQA5)

If we can prove that Bo, Luke, Daisy and the General Lee were all in a consenting Otherkin relationship and how dare you deny their love!, can we get the show back ON the air?

Posted by: LizLem, In for Flynn! at July 01, 2015 03:28 PM (hvf9s)

Maybe if we can prove the car was gay the show will be okay. It was really a Prius trapped in the body of another car.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 01, 2015 03:30 PM (493sH)

387 >>Allowing racial discrimination is just morally wrong.

But you're okay with an all-powerful state apparatus intruding into every aspect of a citizen's life in order to stamp out "discrimination."

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 01, 2015 03:30 PM (O7MnT)

388 Oh fuck now it says it's a jew and a vet. sigh

And someone should give the idiot a clue that not wanting history wiped out is not the same thing as supporting what ever happened in past.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:30 PM (/tNwW)

389 This is the attitude that continues to lead to our
side losing elections. You can't stand any fucking dissent from your
point of view, so you retards keep telling me to blow you

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:26 PM (XsOa7)

Blow me.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 01, 2015 03:30 PM (oVJmc)

390 I'm not going to say that was a lengthy post, but at Chelsea Clinton's standard rates Ace would have had to pay her $115,000 to read the entire thing. But VIP photo op would be included.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 01, 2015 03:30 PM (mvenn)

391 371 Joe, you differ with the Commies only on the ends, not on the means.
Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at July 01, 2015 03:26 PM (evdj2)

I'm a commie because I don't believe people giving public accommodations should be able to discriminate? Ridiculous.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:28 PM (XsOa7)

It makes you a statist and in line with progressive thought.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 01, 2015 03:30 PM (mx5oN)

392 I don't think I have ever been discriminated against for my race, gender or sexual preference. So I guess I lose in the victim lottery.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 01, 2015 03:30 PM (evdj2)

393 ***"This is the attitude that continues to lead to our side losing elections. You can't stand any fucking dissent from your point of view, so you retards...

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:26 PM (XsOa7)"***

You can't open with that objectively false line and then call other people retards.

Well, I mean you can, but you're obviously projecting.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 03:31 PM (xSCb6)

394 Trolling, trolling, trolling, keep your bitch ass trolling....

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at July 01, 2015 03:31 PM (gW5Vg)

395 Look, if Steven Spielberg can digitally replace federal agents' shotguns then the owners of the DoH IP can easily and cheaply replace the "offensive" confederate flag with another one - in fact, they could change it episode to episode, making it a net plus for the show. Tune in to see what cause the Duke boys are supporting this week! You know, the Gadsden flag one week (Don't Tread On Me), the Gonzales flag one week (Come and Take It), the ISIS flag, the Gay rainbow, you freaking name it.

But no, cowardice is the order of the day.

Posted by: scooter (not libby) at July 01, 2015 03:31 PM (WKeEA)

396 I'm saying it wouldn't have mattered if all businesses were free to accept the guests of their choosing.
Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at July 01, 2015 03:23 PM (evdj2)

You're saying HOA Motel wouldn't have discriminated against blacks if there were no Jim Crow, and yet when the Civil Rights Act was passed to eliminate Jim Crow the HOA Motel spent a pretty penny litigating a claim all the way up to the Supreme Court for the right to follow Jim Crow. That's kinda illogical.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:31 PM (XsOa7)

397 I take it this JoeSchmoe troll is the one from the earlier thread with the repetitious nick?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 03:32 PM (xSCb6)

398 So I guess this means that "Glory" is going to be verboten to show or sell soon too? Lot's of Confederate flags waving around in that film...

Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 03:32 PM (zwD8x)

399 Allowing racial discrimination is just morally wrong.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 01, 2015 03:25 PM (JtwS4)

Yes. And?

Lots of things we allow are morally wrong. In many cases there is only civil recourse when quantifiable harm is done. In some cases, not even that.

It is morally wrong to be a drunkard.
It is morally wrong to view pron.
It is morally wrong to treat women poorly.

None of these things, in itself, is illegal. None of them should be.

Freedom means the freedom to be wrong. You can, even should, choose not to do business with people of whom you morally disapprove (or should be able to). That does not mean the law should prevent them from doing business as they see fit.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 03:32 PM (kff5f)

400 It makes you a statist and in line with progressive thought.

Yeah, sort of. He is content to *make* people do what he wants. Right properly, laws should be few and rarely changed since they *should* reflect what the bulk of the citizenry are going to do anyway.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 01, 2015 03:32 PM (evdj2)

401 It cannot be true, a special snowflake here claimed yesterday that conservatives wants her ghey ass in jail (repeated several times).

And if you asked her to point out the specific legislation intended to produce this end she would a.) Say, "Of course they wouldn't say it, but we *know* they want it" or b.) Point to some obscure preacher/unelected wannabe politician who suggested something of the kind.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 01, 2015 03:32 PM (O7MnT)

402 It cannot be true, a special snowflake here claimed yesterday that conservatives wants her ghey ass in jail (repeated several times).

There are some social conservatives, not many, but some who want anti-homosexual laws. That's not in question. I personally disagree - its the other side of the same argument I'm having with bandersnatch on discrimination. Wrong or sinful does not necessarily equate to illegal.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 03:32 PM (39g3+)

403 This is a good candidate for the best Ace essay yet written.

Posted by: DriveBy at July 01, 2015 03:32 PM (C9Vc8)

404 Don't chalk up your own failings to discrimination.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:27 PM (XsOa7)

Oh please, my family is full of marines and none of them have the air of bitchiness that you do. The closest you came to being a marine was walking past the recruitment office in your tye dye shirt and birkenstocks.

Posted by: Arson Wells at July 01, 2015 03:32 PM (UnJ7w)

405 Blow me.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 01, 2015 03:30 PM (oVJmc)

What is this fucking obsession you have with men blowing you?

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:32 PM (XsOa7)

406 I'm going to put this bluntly: the question is not whether the other side respects rights and the rule of law. They are openly bragging that they don't. They are celebrating this.

The only question is, what are we going to do about it? If the answer is nothing, then there's no point in reading or writing about this anymore.

You know how we bust on Obama because, in international affairs, nobody believes he'll back up his word and so he's become a doormat? We're like that when it comes to our rights here. Nobody believes we'll do a thing, and so they are surging forward with their purge of our culture.

Posted by: The Governor at July 01, 2015 03:33 PM (K0y5m)

407
I was Mayberry's only NAMBLA member. Andy Griffith is still on the air.

Posted by: Floyd the Barber at July 01, 2015 03:33 PM (w4B97)

408 I don't agree with you, Ace. I don't think America is about diversity, being different, etc.. America was rooted in Anglo-Saxon Protestant Christian culture, and that was what was so great about it. There was nothing wrong with that, and it worked well. People come here from all over the world, which is fine, but if they do not have the habits of freedom and respect for OUR culture, yeah, that's a problem. Culture is not skin color, race, or ethnicity. It's culture. It's the traditions you choose, lifestyle choices, and values of a people. This is what made America great, and yes, her cultural heritage is rooted in European, Anglo-Saxon Christian culture. America is the product of the Enlightenment, and her ideas brought to life. That's what she is, or at least, that is what she was.

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at July 01, 2015 03:33 PM (BCTRd)

409 So 99, where did you go to Boot Camp?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:33 PM (/tNwW)

410 Allowing racial discrimination is just morally wrong.

Haven't we been constantly told that 'You can't legislate morality?'

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 01, 2015 03:34 PM (oVJmc)

411 Excellent post Ace,
Over 20 years ago I realized that despite the lefts demonization of big business , that they were more comfortable with the left.
Big business doesn't like free markets they prefer regulations that inhibit the growth of new competition and are statist and crony capitalists.
Moreover it was during the Clinton era that I realized that the American left would tolerate a third world raping multinational as long as they had a black a gay and a women (now a tranny) on their board.
It's time for those on the libertarian and traditional right t realize that just like Mussolinis Italy big business serves the state.

Posted by: Avi at July 01, 2015 03:34 PM (DelLF)

412 What would be really fun would be to convince the SJWs that every TV show, movie, music everything is somehow bigoted and get everything pulled from the airwaves. Then nothing would be on and no one could get offended. Unless test patterns are some how bigoted

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 01, 2015 03:34 PM (493sH)

413 I got out of the military in 2008. Served 8 years
in the Marine Corps. As a Jew. Made it to Staff Sergeant. Which is
exactly where I should've made it. Don't chalk up your own failings to
discrimination.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:27 PM (XsOa7)

This is a lie. You were never in the Marine Corps.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2015 03:35 PM (TOk1P)

414
Allowing racial discrimination is just morally wrong.

--

Sure. But is it something that the government should be involved in? Adultery is a moral wrong, too. Does that mean we need federal adultery laws? One could make a pretty good argument that its far worse on society than being a jerk to someone.

I think I knew I was making a mistake when I said "morally". Yes, adultery is morally wrong. I've committed it and I don't want the government involved.

I do not think I can agree with you that legitimized racism is just "being a jerk to someone". I don't think we can be the society with the ideals we embrace if we allow some to be kept from pursuing them in any form because of their race or other identifying random trait.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 01, 2015 03:35 PM (JtwS4)

415 "I don't have the money to turn my office into a Civil War museum. Why is the world so dead-set on forcing me to do so?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 02:39 PM (kff5f)"

It's like those "One Gun A Month" laws. Those politicians don't care if it makes you go broke. It's the law.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at July 01, 2015 03:35 PM (QHgTq)

416 The erasing of uncomfortable history has been going on for a long time now. In reruns of the TV show the rebel they airbrush out all the cigarette ads that accompanied the credits at the end.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 01, 2015 03:35 PM (P/aDH)

417 Unless test patterns are some how bigoted

I remember when they had an Indian Chief in full headdress on them

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 01, 2015 03:35 PM (evdj2)

418 This is a lie. You were never in the Marine Corps.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2015 03:35 PM (TOk1P)

Still waiting to hear were he went to Boot Camp

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:36 PM (/tNwW)

419 So 99, where did you go to Boot Camp?

[Schmoe googles "Marine Boot Camp."]

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 01, 2015 03:36 PM (O7MnT)

420 I don't think I have ever been discriminated against for my race, gender or sexual preference.

Sure you have. Bob refused to date you because you're another dude. Discrimination isn't an evil, its just decision making. When I pick that apple to eat instead of that pear, I'm discriminating between the two kinds of fruit. The only time discrimination is wrong is when its done irrationally and immorally.

Choosing Suzie to date instead of Carole because Carole is a half-asian and polluted blood is improper discrimination. Choosing Suzie instead of Carole because Suzie has bigger boobs is dumb, but not improper.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 03:36 PM (39g3+)

421 This is a lie. You were never in the Marine Corps.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2015 03:35 PM (TOk1P)

Oh. I guess that's true bc you say it is. Fuck off, douchebag.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:36 PM (XsOa7)

422 [Schmoe googles "Marine Boot Camp."]
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 01, 2015 03:36 PM (O7MnT)

Parris Island. 3d Bn.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:36 PM (XsOa7)

423 Macy's may have dumped Trump, but are they still carrying those stretchy little man-briefs I find so offensive?

Posted by: wth at July 01, 2015 03:37 PM (wAQA5)

424 Fuck off, douchebag.

That's the Spirit, Spunkbreath.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 01, 2015 03:37 PM (evdj2)

425 It is my opinion the closest JoeShmoe99 ever got to the Marine Corps was through watching reruns of Gomer Pyle.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 01, 2015 03:37 PM (eytER)

426 I'm having a spell of weird typos, not so much misspellings, though I do that plenty, but leaving out words, as though my brain is going too fast for my keyboard.

Of course the simple answer would be to read what I typed before hitting Post, but no. That's against the Spirit of the HQ.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at July 01, 2015 03:06 PM (evdj2)

Relax, bro, you're not the only one.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 01, 2015 03:37 PM (IxLzY)

427 Parris Island. 3d Bn.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:36 PM (XsOa7)

And where is the Dental Clinic there?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:37 PM (/tNwW)

428 Parris Island. 3d Bn.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:36 PM (XsOa7)

And where is the Dental Clinic there?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:37 PM (/tNwW)

429 Been listening to Rush and Sean on WOR today. Every 30 minutes the news reader talks about MACYS dumping Trump because of his statements against Mexican immigrants.

I know they are talking to the LIVsvbut come on , he was talking about criminal aliens not immigrants.

Posted by: Avi at July 01, 2015 03:37 PM (DelLF)

430 Nevergiveup,

JoeShnoe99 is a troll. A real Jooo around the HQ would spell Jooo correctly.

Posted by: mpfs, Questioning My Sanity at July 01, 2015 03:37 PM (M+tdH)

431 I don't think we can be the society with the ideals we embrace if we allow some to be kept from pursuing them in any form because of their race or other identifying random trait.

Sure, I agree. But does that mean the federal government should be involved with the rule of law? That's the point here. Where is the line drawn, and why? What is the criteria by which we do so, what objective, absolute standards do we use to make this decision?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 03:38 PM (39g3+)

432 I don't think we can be the society with the ideals we embrace if we allow some to be kept from pursuing them in any form because of their race or other identifying random trait.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 01, 2015 03:35 PM (JtwS4)

--

I agree that we, as a society, should not discriminate based on characteristics we are born with.
Based on behavior is the tricky part.

Posted by: @votermom at July 01, 2015 03:38 PM (cbfNE)

433 392 I don't think I have ever been discriminated against for my race, gender or sexual preference. So I guess I lose in the victim lottery.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 01, 2015 03:30 PM (evdj2)

As someone who has been discriminated against because of my race and gender, let me assure you, you didn't lose much.

Posted by: Iblis at July 01, 2015 03:38 PM (9221z)

434 This is a lie. You were never in the Marine Corps.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2015 03:35 PM (TOk1P)

Oh. I guess that's true bc you say it is. Fuck off, douchebag.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:36 PM (XsOa7)

You are a liar. A phony. You have no honor. None. You were never a Marine.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2015 03:38 PM (TOk1P)

435 ***"Allowing racial discrimination is just morally wrong."***

Aaaaaand Bandersnatch comes along demonstrating ace's point:

" For many years, many conservatives have really been more about the latter than the former. I have admitted, and I will continue to admit, I was among them. I have long had pronounced authoritarian and statist tendencies.

I fight against them now, like an alcoholic fights his lust for drink.

But too many conservatives continue championing Social Control and Conformity while mouthing the empty platitudes about how wonderful Freedom is."

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 03:38 PM (xSCb6)

436 The Dental Clinic on Parris Island? I haven't got the faintest idea. Probably somewhere on Mainside.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:38 PM (XsOa7)

437 Oh, please tell me JoeSchmoe is going the Stolen Valor route. That shit is so easy to bust, I bet I can do it in ....6 questions or less. Any one else care to try to do it in five....

Posted by: LincolnTF at July 01, 2015 03:38 PM (2cS/G)

438 Too bad you can't get a Johnny Reb flag any more. I'd fly it, along with the Gonzales flag. Come and take it
And keep the softball bat handy.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie

www dot Gadsen and Culpepper dot com

Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2015 03:39 PM (P8HwW)

439 You are a liar. A phony. You have no honor. None. You were never a Marine.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2015 03:38 PM (TOk1P)

Haha. Aww. Butthurt much? Couldn't do a pullup and were denied entry? Sorry bro.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:39 PM (XsOa7)

440 Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:36 PM (XsOa7)

Nobody gives a shit about your stupid life or your statist beliefs. Btw, what is your obsession with Jim Crow? Your fucking party(democrat) created those laws. Nobody here is arguing for Jim Crow.

Posted by: Arson Wells at July 01, 2015 03:39 PM (UnJ7w)

441 It is only a matter of time before some hapless Christian (or Muslim, Jew, Pastafarian-with-homosexuality-issues, etc) walks into a photographer shop to ask about wedding packages, finds out the proprietor is gay, and declines to hire them. The left will say you should be forced to hire that photographer nevertheless.

Posted by: Aggle at July 01, 2015 03:39 PM (fDmVr)

442 The Dental Clinic on Parris Island? I haven't got the faintest idea. Probably somewhere on Mainside.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:38 PM (XsOa7)

Yeah right. Every Recruit would know that. What building is it directly behind?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:39 PM (/tNwW)

443 I think its fascinating that NBC tossed Trump over his comments about illegal immigrants, but is keeping Al Sharpton who has repeatedly proven himself to be a far more repulsive, awful, lawbreaking scumbag.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 03:40 PM (39g3+)

444 437 Oh, please tell me JoeSchmoe is going the Stolen Valor route. That shit is so easy to bust, I bet I can do it in ....6 questions or less. Any one else care to try to do it in five....

Posted by: LincolnTF at July 01, 2015 03:38 PM (2cS/G)

Go for it, bro. Ask away.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:40 PM (XsOa7)

445 "I will always be ready for that 3:00am FAX." - Hillarrhoids

Posted by: wth at July 01, 2015 03:40 PM (wAQA5)

446 Right. I don't care about gay people getting married, it's good to practice honor, commitment, and monogamy with a life partner. I do care that that isn't enough, and they must seek out and force Christians to make their weddings fabulous! (And I also care that they seek to make me THINK gay sex, especially male with male, sorry but thats how it is, is perfectly normal and healthy and not at least kinda weird! Different, whatever. Who cares! That's your business! I'll think that if I want to, I'm not gonna hurt you, or even much judge you. It is what it is. Whatever, I'm more concerned if you're a good person or not, period!

Then the rebel flag...take it down from state grounds and such...it's cool, I get it. Both sides. It would be a unifying gesture, I believe, as Americans first, and that's important, but they want to make us seem to be assholes, so they start with the ridiculous banning of the Dukes of hazard. What?? Lol really?? Smh. And on historical battle sites?? Gtf outta here. You have lost it, if that's what you argue for and are quite insane. But who has actually argued FOR that?..these damn corporations and businesses proactively guess what the SJW will be after next...it's ridiculous.

Posted by: Stephanie at July 01, 2015 03:40 PM (7ecKn)

447 In fairness, when I was younger, I imagine I was frequently favored since I was pretty.

I should just bow out of the contest.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 01, 2015 03:40 PM (evdj2)

448 Posted by: fromabroad at July 01, 2015 03:29 PM (rnV3B)

Well, well well.

Look what the cat dragged in.

Posted by: HH at July 01, 2015 03:41 PM (Qia1Z)

449 That's a long ass T show review, longer than most movie reviews.

Daisy Duke notwithstanding, I didn't watch because of the silly paint job on the car.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 01, 2015 03:41 PM (NaeCR)

450 And where is the Dental Clinic there?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:37 PM (/tNwW)

That's easy. On the Boulevard de France, just down from the Navy credit union. Across from Branch Medical Clinic.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2015 03:41 PM (TOk1P)

451 Maybe Joe is really Brian Williams.

Posted by: wth at July 01, 2015 03:41 PM (wAQA5)

452 I do not think I can agree with you that legitimized racism is just "being a jerk to someone". I don't think we can be the society with the ideals we embrace if we allow some to be kept from pursuing them in any form because of their race or other identifying random trait.

I think you're conflating, hopefully accidentally, "institutionalized racism" wherein the government actively discriminates based on race and "allowed racism" wherein the government simply does not punish when private citizens (in whatever capacity- personal or business) discriminate based on race.

The latter is morally wrong, as you state, but not something over which the government has any legitimate power.

The former is not only morally wrong, but an abuse of governmental power- government, being the sum of the citizenry (in a democracy or a representative republic), has a special duty to avoid such abuse.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 03:41 PM (kff5f)

453 Yeah right. Every Recruit would know that. What building is it directly behind?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:39 PM (/tNwW)

Every Recruit would know where the Dental Clinic is? Why? The DIs keep you in a haze most of the time and marching around with your eyes straight ahead and you don't know where the fuck you are (with the exception of the recruit training areas) until graduation. I didn't realize 3d Bn was about half a mile from the main gate until I left.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:41 PM (XsOa7)

454 Spunkbreath speak with clotted head.

Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2015 03:41 PM (ykfyK)

455 When were you in, from enlistment to ETS?

What was your MOS?

Posted by: LincolnTF at July 01, 2015 03:42 PM (2cS/G)

456 I do not think I can agree with you that legitimized racism is just "being a jerk to someone". Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 01, 2015 03:35 PM (JtwS4)

I have major issues with things like turning someone down to eat lunch in your public business. Or government agency. Or even cab companies.

I have no issue with imposing standards, like dress code.

I have major issues with forcing very small/single proprietor businesses to contract with individuals they do not wish to contract with. So, pizza business serves everyone equally in restaurant but chooses where they want to cater? Fine.

I'm not sure exactly how that should play out legally, though.

Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 03:42 PM (lIU4e)

457 Choosing Suzie to date instead of Carole because Carole is a half-asian and polluted blood is improper discrimination. Choosing Suzie instead of Carole because Suzie has bigger boobs is dumb, but not improper.

Why is it "improper" discrimination? People may choose who to have personal relationships for any number of reasons, even those that someone else might think are wrong. If I only want to date Catholic girls, for example. Is that "improper"? And I think wanting to date Suzie over Carole because she has a bigger rack is actually a pretty intelligent use of discrimination, although I am more of an ass-man myself.

Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 03:42 PM (zwD8x)

458
Aaaaaand Bandersnatch comes along demonstrating ace's point:

Yeah, I clarified some at #414.

As I've said, I'm pretty doctrinaire about rights and markets, but I'm not at all put off by the public accommodations line of rulings.

Do I contradict myself? Very well, then, I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 01, 2015 03:42 PM (JtwS4)

459 I'd like to offer all would-be trolls and moles here ("Moby's") some advice: don't fake military service. It always ends really, really badly. You gain nothing by it and will end up being unveiled and humiliated horribly.

It never works. Never.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 03:43 PM (39g3+)

460 "There are some social conservatives, not many, but some who want anti-homosexual laws. That's not in question. I personally disagree - its the other side of the same argument I'm having with bandersnatch on discrimination. Wrong or sinful does not necessarily equate to illegal.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at "

excuse me, I usually return here to read your replies but do not look at the finger when I point the sky.

This homosexual person in reply to someone that was merely concerned about religious people and freedom loving people that he would throw her in fucking jail.

I demanded several times where are the precedents to this and the odds that it will happen in the future.

Some fanatics of her are butthurt that I dare question the immense bullshit she wrote. Because you do not touch the gheys if the ghey is someone we know.

This is the level of objectivity. People call out on other people (I assume it's a hetero thing) but when it comes down to this lesbian, she is untouchable.

They usually resort to insult me, since they believe it gives them a moral edge.

And then you wonder why you have lost.

And about anti-homosexual laws, don't be silly. If there is one social cons that wants them, there are 100,000 leftists that want anti-Christian laws and guess what, they succeed in getting them.

Posted by: fromabroad at July 01, 2015 03:43 PM (rnV3B)

461
Every Recruit would know where the Dental Clinic is? Why? The DIs keep you in a haze most of the time and marching around with your eyes straight ahead and you don't know where the fuck you are (with the exception of the recruit training areas) until graduation. I didn't realize 3d Bn was about half a mile from the main gate until I left.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:41 PM (XsOa7)

Yeah I call Bullshit. What happens week 10. Where is the main Chapel?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:43 PM (/tNwW)

462 That's easy. On the Boulevard de France, just down from the Navy credit union. Across from Branch Medical Clinic.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2015 03:41 PM (TOk1P)

Google Maps does wonders.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:43 PM (XsOa7)

463 Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2015 03:38 PM (TOk1P)

Haha. Aww. Butthurt much? Couldn't do a pullup and were denied entry? Sorry bro.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:39 PM (XsOa7)

You lie. Like all internet liars. Weak minded, weak bodied. You were never in the Marines.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2015 03:43 PM (TOk1P)

464 69 Charger, Catherine Bach in cutoffs, and mindless violent car chases. Never missed an episode as a yute.

God Bless (the former) USA.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at July 01, 2015 03:43 PM (nqiq9)

465
What is this fucking obsession you have with men blowing you?

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:32 PM (XsOa7)
Homophobe.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 01, 2015 03:44 PM (oVJmc)

466 I'm waiting for the flounce. You just know it will be good.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 01, 2015 03:44 PM (evdj2)

467 I didn't realize 3d Bn was about half a mile from the main gate until I left.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:41 PM (XsOa7)

1/2 mile? My ass. You've never been at Parris Island.What is Parris Island's full name?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:44 PM (/tNwW)

468 Based on his answers to the Dental Clinic question I can tell he's full of shit.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 03:44 PM (xSCb6)

469 Oh look, it's caught in a lie.

Posted by: Arson Wells at July 01, 2015 03:44 PM (UnJ7w)

470 I think its fascinating that NBC tossed Trump over his comments about illegal immigrants, but is keeping Al Sharpton who has repeatedly proven himself to be a far more repulsive, awful, lawbreaking scumbag.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 03:40 PM (39g3+)

If they dump Sharpton it's racist. If they dump Trump the mob applauds. Oh and screw Macy's. What a shithole of a lefty pandering store

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 01, 2015 03:45 PM (493sH)

471 Imagine the looks my straight-haired Caucasian ass would get if I walked into a black barbershop.

Posted by: logprof at July 01, 2015 03:45 PM (9bpxs)

472 >>Why should you care? Because you've never been discriminated against.

Have. Where I live there's strong anti-military bias. Along with all the other progtard BS

then the classicist BS of which plenty

then the anti-white BS

Posted by: Bigby's Indian Sunburn at July 01, 2015 03:46 PM (3ZtZW)

473 Based on his answers to the Dental Clinic question I can tell he's full of shit.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 03:44 PM (xSCb6)

Of course.

Hey 99 answer this question as a recruit. "How do you feel today"?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:46 PM (/tNwW)

474 Oh yeah, the half mile from the main gate thing is rich.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 03:46 PM (xSCb6)

475 Why is it "improper" discrimination? People may choose who to have personal relationships for any number of reasons, even those that someone else might think are wrong. If I only want to date Catholic girls, for example. Is that "improper"?

Because the reason given is an assumption that someone not pure white race is inferior and worse as a human being. That's improper and immoral. Should the government get involved? No. But we should avoid discrimination for bad reasons, because we should always seek to do the right thing, for the right reasons, whatever the cost to us. And there will be a cost.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 03:46 PM (39g3+)

476
Haha. Aww. Butthurt much? Couldn't do a pullup and were denied entry? Sorry bro.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:39 PM (XsOa7)
....................
That's bro-heim to you, dude.

Posted by: wth at July 01, 2015 03:46 PM (wAQA5)

477 Maybe if we can prove the car was gay the show will be okay. It was really a Prius trapped in the body of another car.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 01, 2015 03:30 PM (493sH)

I'm really a Trans Am!

Posted by: The General Lee at July 01, 2015 03:47 PM (hvf9s)

478 Yeah I call Bullshit. What happens week 10. Where is the main Chapel?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:43 PM (/tNwW)

I don't fucking remember. Did you just Google the RTR schedule and see where the Chapel is on Google Maps? I can do that too. How about you ask me some actual questions about the Marine Corps. Not shit that happened to me 15 years ago and I haven't thought of since then. Like: what was your MOS? Which unit were you attached to? What is the 12th General Order? Shit like that.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:47 PM (XsOa7)

479 Imagine the looks my straight-haired Caucasian ass would get if I walked into a black barbershop.

I guess it would depend. There's one a block from my house. I walked in and asked Do you do white hair? The barber answered Better than you do by what I see.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 01, 2015 03:47 PM (evdj2)

480 Name at least two of your Drill Sergeants from Boot Camp and the Commander of the Unit you ETS'd from.

Posted by: LincolnTF at July 01, 2015 03:47 PM (2cS/G)

481 One of my earliest memories is a little black girl who ran up to me and started pounding on me calling me whitey/cracker etc. Her mom was standing there beaming.

Posted by: Bigby's Indian Sunburn at July 01, 2015 03:47 PM (3ZtZW)

482 I think its fascinating that NBC tossed Trump over his comments about
illegal immigrants, but is keeping Al Sharpton who has repeatedly proven
himself to be a far more repulsive, awful, lawbreaking scumbag.

Sharpton's job is a payoff.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 01, 2015 03:47 PM (oVJmc)

483 They usually resort to insult me

Honey, you came here to pick a fight. You are yourself being insulting. What did you expect, exactly?

Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 03:47 PM (lIU4e)

484 Hey 99 answer this question as a recruit. "How do you feel today"?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:46 PM (/tNwW)

Umm.. "This Recruit feels great"? Retarded question. No one ever asks how you feel.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:48 PM (XsOa7)

485 Hey Joe, if you're still around, what was the cutting score for SSG when you were promoted?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 03:48 PM (xSCb6)

486 I don't fucking remember. Did you just Google the RTR schedule and see where the Chapel is on Google Maps? I can do that too. How about you ask me some actual questions about the Marine Corps. Not shit that happened to me 15 years ago and I haven't thought of since then. Like: what was your MOS? Which unit were you attached to? What is the 12th General Order? Shit like that.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:47 PM (XsOa7)

Because you lying asshole. I've spent 10 weeks there over the years and you are so full of shit it's coming our of your ears.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:48 PM (/tNwW)

487 And about anti-homosexual laws, don't be silly. If there is one social cons that wants them, there are 100,000 leftists that want anti-Christian laws and guess what, they succeed in getting them.

And they're both wrong - both in terms of liberty and in terms of morality and Christian ethics. Sinful does not mean illegal, whether you define sin as the God does, or as Obama does.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 03:48 PM (39g3+)

488 Imagine the looks my straight-haired Caucasian ass would get if I walked into a black barbershop.

Posted by: logprof at July 01, 2015 03:45 PM (9bpxs)

I did that right outside Ft Bragg once... It got real quiet. I think they were talking about me as I came in.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 01, 2015 03:48 PM (NaeCR)

489 Name at least two of your Drill Sergeants from Boot Camp and the Commander of the Unit you ETS'd from.
Posted by: LincolnTF at July 01, 2015 03:47 PM (2cS/G)

SDI was SSgt. Webb, DIs were SSGt. Falls, SSgt. Streeter and Sgt. Meyer.

Commander of the unit I ETSd from Lt. Col. Murphy., the BN CO.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:49 PM (XsOa7)

490 Well, now it's even more clear. JoeSchmoe99 is the worst kind of poser.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 01, 2015 03:49 PM (eytER)

491 Drill Instructors, whatever.

Posted by: LincolnTF at July 01, 2015 03:49 PM (2cS/G)

492 No one ever asks how you feel.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:48 PM (XsOa7)

Actually I did all the time.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:49 PM (/tNwW)

493 No one ever asks how you feel.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:48 PM (XsOa7)

Actually I did all the time.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:49 PM (/tNwW)

494 442 The Dental Clinic on Parris Island? I haven't got the faintest idea. Probably somewhere on Mainside.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:38 PM (XsOa7)

Yeah right. Every Recruit would know that. What building is it directly behind?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:39 PM (/tNwW)

I certainly don't want to be lumped in with JoeSchmuckatelli, or whatever he calls himself, but I have to say I was in the Marine Corps for 12 years, and went to Boot Camp at Parris Island in 1983, and couldn't tell you where the Dental Clinic was. Of course that was over 30 years ago, I probably could have told you 20 years ago.

Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 03:49 PM (zwD8x)

495 Because you lying asshole. I've spent 10 weeks there over the years and you are so full of shit it's coming our of your ears.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:48 PM (/tNwW)

You spent 10 weeks there? You didn't graduate? Bc recruit training is 13 weeks, at least when I was actually there.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:49 PM (XsOa7)

496 Regarding Quick's thought-he-had-a-gotcha, how about we avoid the problem altogether and not import backwards, hostile cultures into this country in the first place.

Posted by: Paul at July 01, 2015 03:49 PM (gUuzD)

497 479 Imagine the looks my straight-haired Caucasian ass would get if I walked into a black barbershop.

I guess it would depend. There's one a block from my house. I walked in and asked Do you do white hair? The barber answered Better than you do by what I see.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 01, 2015 03:47 PM (evdj2)

--Heh, that's funny. The truth of the matter is I don't care; black guys in general are much fussier about their hair, so I have no beef with anyone preferring to cater to them. It's a free country, or at least it used to be.

Posted by: logprof at July 01, 2015 03:50 PM (9bpxs)

498
Maybe if we can prove the car was gay the show will be okay. It was really a Prius trapped in the body of another car.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 01, 2015 03:30 PM (493sH)

I'm really a Trans Am!
Posted by: The General Lee at July 01, 2015 03:47 PM (hvf9s)
.................................
I always thought of myself as a hybrid.

Posted by: Caitlyn at July 01, 2015 03:50 PM (wAQA5)

499 You spent 10 weeks there? You didn't graduate? Bc recruit training is 13 weeks, at least when I was actually there.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:49 PM (XsOa7)

I'm an O-5 Navy Dentist. So call me SIR or get the fuck out of here

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:51 PM (/tNwW)

500 485 Hey Joe, if you're still around, what was the cutting score for SSG when you were promoted?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 03:48 PM (xSCb6)

Cutting score ends at promotion to Sergeant.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:51 PM (XsOa7)

501 After listening to Hillary's voice I am surprised that she had trouble understanding a fax machine. It sounds like they speak the same language.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 01, 2015 03:51 PM (mvenn)

502 I much prefer this review of atlas shrugged to the shorter one by ayn rand

Posted by: A.G. at July 01, 2015 03:51 PM (WdUnw)

503 Because the reason given is an assumption that someone not pure white race is inferior and worse as a human being.

Not necessarily so. My daughter (6) has announced she wants to "marry a boy with brown skin, so she can have pretty babies."

Now, she's 6, and I wouldn't accept such a shallow answer when she was older, but people with such shallow answers exist.

I won't date [insert race here] because I don't like how they look.

I won't date [insert race here] because I don't like their culture.

I will only date [insert race here] because they already share my culture.

Etc.

Racism is bad, yes, but the nature of the human race is such that it can run a spectrum from "unfortunate" to "evil" and really everywhere in between. Once the government gets involved, though, everyone loses a little more of their freedom.

Government may be a necessary evil, but the fact that it is necessary does not change that it is evil. So we should be very careful into which parts of our lives we invite it.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 03:51 PM (kff5f)

504 Only 2 questions left. The name/location of the Unit you ETS'd from and your current re-enlistment status.

Posted by: LincolnTF at July 01, 2015 03:51 PM (2cS/G)

505 You spent 10 weeks there? You didn't graduate? Bc recruit training is 13 weeks, at least when I was actually there.

Real Marines have skills in reading comprehension.

So strike two for you.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at July 01, 2015 03:51 PM (eytER)

506 I'm an O-5 Navy Dentist. So call me SIR or get the fuck out of here
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:51 PM (/tNwW)

Guys in my platoon got their wisdom teeth removed just to get a couple of days off duty. So, thanks for that, sir, I guess.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:52 PM (XsOa7)

507 Lol, i find it deliciously amusing that that dumbass troll Joeschmoe came here to troll us and now he's sitting here ducking slings and arrows because he thought he could pull a fast one to give himself some street cred.

Posted by: Arson Wells at July 01, 2015 03:52 PM (UnJ7w)

508 I guess it would depend. There's one a block from
my house. I walked in and asked Do you do white hair? The barber
answered Better than you do by what I see.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 01, 2015 03:47 PM (evdj2)

One of the black barbers (off Ft Bragg) cut my hair, then referred me to another barber for military style cuts. The other barber happened to be a Korean lady.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 01, 2015 03:52 PM (NaeCR)

509 I guess it would depend. There's one a block from my house. I walked in and asked Do you do white hair? The barber answered Better than you do by what I see.

That's a shop worth returning to.

Yes, you'll probably get looks. People will be curious who you are and what you want if you show up completely out of type. A huge biker dude in colors walking into a formal dance. A white guy walking into a barrio restaurant. The record doesn't stop with a screech and the piano player doesn't stop playing. But people turn to look. Who's that? Why are they here? What do they want?

Some people take that as hate, discrimination, and threats on their life. But 99 times out 100 its just people curious and looking.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 03:53 PM (39g3+)

510 Imagine the looks my straight-haired Caucasian ass would get if I walked into a black barbershop.

The first time I did that (I only went to the barbershop twice before I moved), I got, "Welcome, hot day, isn't it?"

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 01, 2015 03:53 PM (kff5f)

511 504 Only 2 questions left. The name/location of the Unit you ETS'd from and your current re-enlistment status.
Posted by: LincolnTF at July 01, 2015 03:51 PM (2cS/G)

I'd rather not say which unit I was with. My current reenlistment status, I don't know. Last time I looked at my DD214 I think it said 1A for that. But I didn't pay much attention bc I have no intention to reenlist.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:53 PM (XsOa7)

512 ***"SDI was SSgt. Webb, DIs were SSGt. Falls, SSgt. Streeter and Sgt. Meyer.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:49 PM (XsOa7)"***

Was that SSgt Joseph Streeter?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 03:53 PM (xSCb6)

513 507 Lol, i find it deliciously amusing that that dumbass troll Joeschmoe came here to troll us and now he's sitting here ducking slings and arrows because he thought he could pull a fast one to give himself some street cred.
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 01, 2015 03:52 PM (UnJ7w)

How'd I pull a fast one, douchebag? Which question did I get wrong?

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:54 PM (XsOa7)

514 I certainly don't want to be lumped in with JoeSchmuckatelli, or whatever he calls himself, but I have to say I was in the Marine Corps for 12 years, and went to Boot Camp at Parris Island in 1983, and couldn't tell you where the Dental Clinic was. Of course that was over 30 years ago, I probably could have told you 20 years ago.
Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 03:49 PM (zwD8x)

Well not sure where the Dental Clinic was 30 years ago, but every Recruit knows where it is today do to it's proximity to the Indoc Center and they all visit the Medical and Dental Clinic when during their stay on the Island. And in any case the main gate is not where near 1/2 mile from 3rd Recruit Training Battalion no matter where is was situated when he was there

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:54 PM (/tNwW)

515 Was that SSgt Joseph Streeter?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 03:53 PM (xSCb6)

Yup. Joseph Streeter. I think his middle initial was W.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:55 PM (XsOa7)

516 I know Andrew died, just wondering why so many on the Right post his "war" video.....and are either unable or unwilling to go to war with the left. Not even for our kids.

We have allowed them to remove prayer in schools, and replace it with homosexuals in schools, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, etc. Since when do we allow the left to teach our boys that anal sex is healthy and natural?

American kids are in danger and we don't seem to give a shit.

Posted by: pam at July 01, 2015 03:55 PM (EAZ7y)

517 Standing on the Main Parade Ground facing the stands what is immediately to the left of the Stands?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:56 PM (/tNwW)

518 Not necessarily so. My daughter (6) has announced she wants to "marry a boy with brown skin, so she can have pretty babies."

She's probably right, kids from mixed ethnic backgrounds are often very, very pretty. But since I wrote the scenario and the potential response I can say very confidently that what was said was 100% absolutely and necessarily wrong and deliberately racist. That this hypothetical person was refusing a date because they thought the other person was racially impure and inferior because of it. And that's just wrong.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 03:56 PM (39g3+)

519
After listening to Hillary's voice I am surprised that she had trouble understanding a fax machine. It sounds like they speak the same language.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 01, 2015 03:51 PM (mvenn)
............................
BILL! WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? PEDO ISLAND AGAIN...GODDAMMIT I'M GONNA CUT YOUR NUTS OFF...!!!

Posted by: Hillary!'s monthly call to Bill at July 01, 2015 03:57 PM (wAQA5)

520 And in any case the main gate is not where near 1/2 mile from 3rd Recruit Training Battalion no matter where is was situated when he was there
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:54 PM (/tNwW)

I was using 1/2 mile figuratively. But I think it is the closest RTB to the main gate.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:57 PM (XsOa7)

521 I'm leaning towards him at least going to bootcamp and serving one enlistment. He didn't fall for the trap question.

So I'm going to go ahead and stick with "demonstrated idiot based on commentary here" and be bummed that a possible former SSgt can't think for shit.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 03:57 PM (xSCb6)

522 There's a little store in Eastern WA, with a sign that reads:

This is not Burger King
You do not get it your way.
You get it my way
Or you get out.

When I went to it last (about 20 years ago), six packs of pop were $5. Beer was higher. Nearest store was a good 30 miles away. So yes, it's his business. He puts time and money into it, so he gets to say how it's run. And if you didn't like it, then you could go somewhere else. Does anyone here doubt that there will be businesses run by gays that will refuse service to Christians?

Posted by: notsothoreau at July 01, 2015 03:57 PM (5HBd1)

523 Yup. Joseph Streeter. I think his middle initial was W.

...at least, that's what Google says!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 03:58 PM (39g3+)

524 Unless test patterns are some how bigoted

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 01, 2015 03:34 PM (493sH)

They are a hideous example of the white man appropriating Plains Indian Culture!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 01, 2015 03:58 PM (IxLzY)

525 After careful review, taking nearly 30 seconds of my precious time, I declare that JoeSchmoe is full of shit as measured against a preponderance of the evidence. Veterans love to talk about their Unit assignments, and where they've been, half to humble-brag, half in hopes someone else will say "I was there too!".

If JoeSchmoe claims his records are sealed due to his super-duper secret squirrel missions, we'll know for sure.

Posted by: LincolnTF at July 01, 2015 03:58 PM (2cS/G)

526 Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:54 PM (XsOa7)

Whoa calm down there tough guy. It REALLY fucking sucks when some random person calls you a liar when they know nothing about you, right? Kinda like you calling anybody who doesn't believe in the leftist tripe you do Jim Crow supporters? Serves you right asshole.

Posted by: Arson Wells at July 01, 2015 03:58 PM (UnJ7w)

527 If I knew your name I'd give Joe a call and find out if you were just as stupid in bootcamp.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 03:58 PM (xSCb6)

528 What a bunch of nonsensical bullshit... How in the fuck did we get here?!

Every day I wake up and ask myself if today is the day when everyday people say "ENOUGH!" ENOUGH with the perpetually offended. ENOUGH with the social engineering that is ripping society apart. ENOUGH with the most racist president ever to hold office on the pretense of the very opposite. ENOUGH with the MEDIA and their one sided distortion of the facts and obvious bias to the left. ENOUGH with BANNING things.

When will hard working Americans start to slap this shit down and hold accountable peoples feet to the flame?

When did we become SO reactionary to every little waste of oxygen who has a youtube video? FUCK THESE PEOPLE

It time for society to purge itself alright but we are purging the wrong things. We embrace laziness and promote AWFUL behavior based on a false narrative that hurting feelings is bad when in REALITY it these very people that need a swift kick in the ass and be shown what real life problems are.

When the fuck is this country going to wake up and REFUSE to have a finger wagging at them by rich out of touch cock-holsters and cunts behind a desk on a fucking set?

I live very close to many MANY people who are gaming the system and yet there is no fear of the law coming for them. There is absolutely ZERO incentive to get to work. No, just keep pumping out a baby and fir gids sake don't even THINK of getting of the couch unless of course it's to go get your god damned welfare check. So fucking sick and tired of these people.

The saddest part of all of this is that the people who shout for these laws and banning of things need a fucking 'app' to tell them when to inhale and exhale.

We need another Reagan or I don't think we will last another 20 years at MOST.

Posted by: melodicmetal1 at July 01, 2015 03:59 PM (MV2jA)

529 I'm leaning towards him at least going to bootcamp and serving one enlistment. He didn't fall for the trap question.

So I'm going to go ahead and stick with "demonstrated idiot based on
commentary here" and be bummed that a possible former SSgt can't think
for shit.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 03:57 PM (xSCb6)

Don't be fooled. This one is a phony. He's failing miserably, he just doesn't realize how or why. He was never in the Marines.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2015 04:00 PM (TOk1P)

530 517 Standing on the Main Parade Ground facing the stands what is immediately to the left of the Stands?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 03:56 PM (/tNwW)

Umm... really taxing my memory here. I think across the street from the stands and to the left was a souvenir shop, a Subway, a bowling alley, etc. But as I say, I was in 3d RTB, so we didn't go the main parade ground much. And I don't recall what was there from the half hour graduation ceremony.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:00 PM (XsOa7)

531 527 If I knew your name I'd give Joe a call and find out if you were just as stupid in bootcamp.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 03:58 PM (xSCb6)

He was my DI, so the answer would be "yes"

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:00 PM (XsOa7)

532 "Honey, you came here to pick a fight. You are yourself being insulting. What did you expect, exactly?

Posted by: Lea at July 01, 2015 03:47 PM "

I see you have a deep problem with reality.

If you are not hypocritical (and I believe you are to the core) answer the very simple 3 questions

1) are conservatives putting gheys in jail? in the past 40 years? being worried about your church tax status EQUATES wanting gheys in jail? a simple yes or no is enough

2) is it a crime against humanity to point out that a lesbian princess on a pea commenter has said a very insulting and OVER THE FUCKING TOP hyperbole? another yes or no is enough.

3) is pointing out the obvious, 'picking up a fight'? Another yes or no is enough

Here a lesbian friend of yours cannot be called out on the offensive lies and bullshits she said WHY?

Thanks for proving she is such a weakling that constantly needs protection.

I am 200% sure, if anybody else had written that conservatives want to put gheys in jail, you would have lashed out a parade of insults to shame a truck driver.

Apparently the legion of righteousness is ok with some lesbian being cut more slack than others.

The sentence was so fucking idiotic that reminded me of Joe Bidens "you are all going back to being in chains" said to a black audience.

This lesbian is using the same language as Joe Biden!!!!! You still think that she was right and her special snowflakeism must be protected at all costs.

You have really selected a poor cause to defend.

Posted by: fromabroad at July 01, 2015 04:01 PM (rnV3B)

533 Umm... really taxing my memory here.

...thank Gaia for Google Maps

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 04:01 PM (39g3+)

534 If JoeSchmoe claims his records are sealed due to his super-duper secret squirrel missions, we'll know for sure.
Posted by: LincolnTF at July 01, 2015 03:58 PM (2cS/G)

I didn't say they're sealed, toolbag. I said I'd rather not talk about which unit I was in. A Jew SSgt. isn't exactly a common thing, and I'd rather not be outed.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:02 PM (XsOa7)

535 521 I'm leaning towards him at least going to bootcamp and serving one enlistment. He didn't fall for the trap question.

So I'm going to go ahead and stick with "demonstrated idiot based on commentary here" and be bummed that a possible former SSgt can't think for shit.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 03:57 PM (xSCb6)

We always used to say that in order to make it to Staff Sergeant you had to get a lobotomy to go along with it.

Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 04:02 PM (zwD8x)

536 Posted by: Arson Wells at July 01, 2015 03:58 PM (UnJ7w)

Not to mention calling the Empress a special snowflake

Posted by: wrg500 at July 01, 2015 04:02 PM (sgrzZ)

537 You sound like a real hard charger...

Posted by: LincolnTF at July 01, 2015 04:03 PM (2cS/G)

538 Whoa calm down there tough guy. It REALLY fucking sucks when some random person calls you a liar when they know nothing about you, right? Kinda like you calling anybody who doesn't believe in the leftist tripe you do Jim Crow supporters? Serves you right asshole.
Posted by: Arson Wells at July 01, 2015 03:58 PM (UnJ7w)

When did I ever say anyone here was a Jim Crow supporter? I said I don't want to live in a country that is the equivalent of Jim Crow South. I did not say anyone here was a racist.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:03 PM (XsOa7)

539 "outed." As a Jew.

Outed.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 04:04 PM (39g3+)

540 534 If JoeSchmoe claims his records are sealed due to his super-duper secret squirrel missions, we'll know for sure.
Posted by: LincolnTF at July 01, 2015 03:58 PM (2cS/G)

I didn't say they're sealed, toolbag. I said I'd rather not talk about which unit I was in. A Jew SSgt. isn't exactly a common thing, and I'd rather not be outed.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:02 PM (XsOa7)

Sorry, but "a Jew SSgt isn't exactly a common thing?" Now you are definitely talking out of your ass.

Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 04:04 PM (zwD8x)

541 I'm leaning towards him at least going to bootcamp and serving one enlistment. He didn't fall for the trap question.

if he doesn't know what is immediately to the left of the Stands on the main parade grounds, i doubt he is real.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 04:04 PM (/tNwW)

542 536

Wrong troll

Posted by: wrg500 at July 01, 2015 04:05 PM (sgrzZ)

543 These are really shitty questions to ask someone to verify whether they served. How about asking something like what do you call someone who shoots really low on their rifle qual? Or what are some nicknames for Lance Corporal? Or how do DIs refer to each other? Shit that's tough to Google. Geographic locations from 15 years ago is stupid.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:06 PM (XsOa7)

544 if he doesn't know what is immediately to the left of the Stands on the main parade grounds, i doubt he is real.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 04:04 PM (/tNwW)

I just looked on Google Maps and still don't know. lol. what is it?

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:07 PM (XsOa7)

545 And I said "if", but Joe Schmoe got all froggy. Tender little fella for a supposed Marine.

Posted by: LincolnTF at July 01, 2015 04:07 PM (2cS/G)

546 I did not say anyone here was a racist.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:03 PM (XsOa7)

You seriously can't be this stupid. You understand what inference is?

Posted by: Arson Wells at July 01, 2015 04:07 PM (UnJ7w)

547 ***"And I don't recall what was there from the half hour graduation ceremony."***

I'm heading back toward you're-full-of-shit territory.

You had recruit liberty one day and visitor day the next. You didn't just have a half hour around mainside. Not only that, you spent at least two different two+hour graduation practice sessions at the main parade deck.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 04:07 PM (xSCb6)

548 541 I'm leaning towards him at least going to bootcamp and serving one enlistment. He didn't fall for the trap question.

if he doesn't know what is immediately to the left of the Stands on the main parade grounds, i doubt he is real.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 04:04 PM (/tNwW)

Now even I remember that, if the stands and the Grinder are still in the same place they were 30 years ago.

Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 04:08 PM (zwD8x)

549 Sorry, but "a Jew SSgt isn't exactly a common thing?" Now you are definitely talking out of your ass.
Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 04:04 PM (zwD8x)

How so?

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:08 PM (XsOa7)

550 92 67 History is a thread that always connects the past to the present, builds on to history, which lives.

Accordingly, Reagan didn't defeat Communism. He won a major battle in an ongoing war which we are losing culturally.

Badly.

Quickly.

In fact, Reagan's Cold War victory hastened America's decline because we thought we had won the ideological struggle.

Well played, Communists.

Well played.

Posted by: @PeeteySDee at July 01, 2015 02:35 PM (0+/U6)

So very much THIS. The war didn't end, it just moved to a new battlefield.

No new battlefields involved - it was more like they retreated to previously prepared, heavily fortified positions in academia, "public service" and NGOs.

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at July 01, 2015 04:09 PM (v6qkb)

551 nood.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2015 04:09 PM (P8HwW)

552 There is a good likelihood that if he did serve it was in a clerical MOS, 'cause this dude really types fast.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at July 01, 2015 04:10 PM (mvenn)

553 Mainly because I'm Army, NGU is Navy, and none of the resident Marines are around right now to clear it up. You claimed mil service but refuse to make it verifiable, that is a red flag to anyone with half a clue. So shut the fuck up about your "service" or demonstrate that you served. Or you'll just be another jackass pariah.

Posted by: LincolnTF at July 01, 2015 04:10 PM (2cS/G)

554 I feel like the argument over USMC bona fides has distracted us from his position that the state ought to have unrestricted thought and morality police authority; because discrimination of any degree is so heinous it justifies all levels of state intervention.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 01, 2015 04:10 PM (O7MnT)

555 You had recruit liberty one day and visitor day the next. You didn't just have a half hour around mainside. Not only that, you spent at least two different two+hour graduation practice sessions at the main parade deck.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 04:07 PM (xSCb6)

True... but the day we had recruit liberty there was a downpour and lightning, so the PMOs forced us to spent most of the day at the bowling alley and bused us back to our barracks. On visitor day I was showing my parents around the whole base, including the rifle range and o course. I remember one practice on the parade deck now that you mention it, but I wasn't looking around, or I really don't remember.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:11 PM (XsOa7)

556 553 Mainly because I'm Army, NGU is Navy, and none of the resident Marines are around right now to clear it up. You claimed mil service but refuse to make it verifiable, that is a red flag to anyone with half a clue. So shut the fuck up about your "service" or demonstrate that you served. Or you'll just be another jackass pariah.
Posted by: LincolnTF at July 01, 2015 04:10 PM (2cS/G)

The only reason I even mentioned it was because some dumbass claimed he was discriminated against in the military bc he was white. Otherwise, it has no bearing on anything I said.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:12 PM (XsOa7)

557 "And they're both wrong - both in terms of liberty and in terms of morality and Christian ethics. Sinful does not mean illegal, whether you define sin as the God does, or as Obama does.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2015 03:48 PM"

the question was not how right or wrong.

The question is 'has it happened and how is the likability that it happens'

I dont understand if you are trying to avoid the elephant in the room because you are lesbian-struck like the rest or you simply missed the matter entirely.

So if a democrat tomorrow comes out speaking to a ghey audience and said "they (the cons) will all put you BACK IN JAIL" we should all give up any retort because one lesbian here said the same, completely unchallenged?

Have you see this plan on any conservative candidate platform? even Santorum?

Well special lesbian snowflake here repeated this matter several times yesterday.

While we are here discussing if conservatives will put gheys in jail, someone else wisely commented "We have allowed them to remove prayer in schools, and replace it with homosexuals in schools, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, etc. Since when do we allow the left to teach our boys that anal sex is healthy and natural? "

I am sure you have noticed that unlike conservatives, leftists have advanced a very huge lot of homosexual matters.

The odds that we will be somehow successful in jailing them is pretty much zero.

Posted by: fromabroad at July 01, 2015 04:13 PM (rnV3B)

558 My scroll wheel wore out before I got to the bottom.

...seriously though, good read.

Posted by: dogfish at July 01, 2015 04:14 PM (jWtyG)

559 549 Sorry, but "a Jew SSgt isn't exactly a common thing?" Now you are definitely talking out of your ass.
Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 04:04 PM (zwD8x)

How so?

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:08 PM (XsOa7)

Unless I saw a guy at Mass on Sunday, I generally had no idea what the religious persuasion of anyone else was. And no one would give enough of a fuck to describe someone as a "Jew Staff Sergeant". Like "Hey you remember SSgt Schmoe, right?" "No, which one was he?" "The Jew!" "Oh yeah, that fuckin' guy, what a putz!" 100% BS

Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 04:15 PM (zwD8x)

560 PMOs? WTF is a PMO and why were they herding you around in buses on recruit liberty? Recruits are issued AWCs by that stage and they wear them in the rain.

Describe for me what happens when lightning occurs at PI. I was actually stationed there from '01 to '05 so I'm really enjoying listening to you claim that 3rd RTBN is so far removed from mainside.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 04:16 PM (xSCb6)

561 No I'm late to the war thread!!! WAR!!!!!

Posted by: Draki at July 01, 2015 04:16 PM (QL1Y0)

562 The Iwo Jima Statue is directly to the left of the reviewing stand

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 04:17 PM (/tNwW)

563 I feel like the argument over USMC bona fides has distracted us from his position that the state ought to have unrestricted thought and morality police authority; because discrimination of any degree is so heinous it justifies all levels of state intervention.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at July 01, 2015 04:10 PM (O7MnT)

Christ. All I said was that if you run a place of public accommodation you should give up your right to discriminate on the basis of immutable characteristics such as race and gender, and other important characteristics, such as religion. That's it. Don't get all the vitriol.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:17 PM (XsOa7)

564 Unless I saw a guy at Mass on Sunday, I generally had no idea what the religious persuasion of anyone else was. And no one would give enough of a fuck to describe someone as a "Jew Staff Sergeant". Like "Hey you remember SSgt Schmoe, right?" "No, which one was he?" "The Jew!" "Oh yeah, that fuckin' guy, what a putz!" 100% BS
Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 04:15 PM (zwD8x)

I had no knowledge which specific religious persuasion someone was, but I knew if they were christian or not. And me being a Jew was common knowledge in my unit. Not really sure why, but it was.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:18 PM (XsOa7)

565 3rd RTBN is so far removed from mainside.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 04:16 PM (xSCb6)

Parris Island is tiny. Other than the firing ranges nothing is far removed from anything.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 04:19 PM (/tNwW)

566 PMOs? WTF is a PMO and why were they herding you around in buses on recruit liberty? Recruits are issued AWCs by that stage and they wear them in the rain.

Describe for me what happens when lightning occurs at PI. I was actually stationed there from '01 to '05 so I'm really enjoying listening to you claim that 3rd RTBN is so far removed from mainside.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 04:16 PM (xSCb6)

PMO is the Provost Marshall Office, but the other branches refer to them as MPs.

The rain wasn't the issue. It was the lightning. From what I recall if there was ever lightning, you had to be inside somewhere. So even if we were in the auditorium for knowledge, we'd be bused back to our barracks instead of marching.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:21 PM (XsOa7)

567 My solution:

Rename the Interstate Highways in Southern States after Union Generals.

-
They could name the freeway from Atlanta to the sea the William Sherman Freeway.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 01, 2015 04:22 PM (XUKZU)

568 This is a time for clarity, and this is a time for choosing. This is a time to discover who it is who really supports Liberty and Freedom, and who it is who is really all about Control and Conformity.

For many years, many conservatives have really been more about the latter than the former. I have admitted, and I will continue to admit, I was among them. I have long had pronounced authoritarian and statist tendencies.

Wrong. It was about maintaining the mores, flokways, and customs that allowed both virtue and liberty to exist.

The Left got their way because those "intolerant" Americans actually cared about individual freedom. Now that the Left is in control, that individual freedom will be crushed underfoot.

It isn't just a matter of who gets to impost on who, but of a fundamental difference of a dying culture that cared about freedom, and a dominating one that cares about anything but.

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 01, 2015 04:22 PM (7YlUk)

569 I'm on your side 100% in this.

BUT to waste all those words fisking a complete blithering idiot like Quick is just, well, bloviating. It's like beating the hell out of Stephen Hawking just because you can.

Posted by: Adjoran at July 01, 2015 04:23 PM (QIQ6j)

570 565 3rd RTBN is so far removed from mainside.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 04:16 PM (xSCb6)

Parris Island is tiny. Other than the firing ranges nothing is far removed from anything.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 01, 2015 04:19 PM (/tNwW)

Again, not standing up for Schmoe, but at least back in '83 we used to call 3rd Btn "the boonies" because they were actually seperated from the rest of the training batallions. Now distance is relative, so they probably weren't THAT far seperated from the rest, since P.I. is pretty small, as you say.

Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 04:24 PM (zwD8x)

571 ***"PMO is the Provost Marshall Office, but the other branches refer to them as MPs."***

Complete bullshit. Marines call them MPs as well. And MPs are definitely NOT authorized to handle recruits in anything other than law enforcement capacity. And they most certainly aren't busing recruits around

***"From what I recall if there was ever lightning, you had to be inside somewhere."***

And how do you know there's lightning. Anyone who's spent more than a week at PI can answer this one and no, it won't escape your memory.

I'm going back to your shit status being on full again.

Get lost poser.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 04:25 PM (xSCb6)

572 I read Ace's commentary; Thaniks, Ace. Then iI scrolled down through the parts where people are calling each others liars and fromabroad is on his.her usual spiel.

I'm backing away slowly. It's too hot and humid for this.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 01, 2015 04:28 PM (OSs/l)

573 ***"Again, not standing up for Schmoe, but at least back in '83 we used to call 3rd Btn "the boonies" because they were actually seperated from the rest of the training batallions. Now distance is relative, so they probably weren't THAT far seperated from the rest, since P.I. is pretty small, as you say."***

PI has changed since then. You are correct for your frame of reference, but now the main exchange and commissary are rubbing up against 3rdBN now. It certainly was when this clown claims he was there.

It went from being isolated to the most visible. If anything these days 1st BN is the most isolated in terms of distance.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 04:28 PM (xSCb6)

574 Complete bullshit. Marines call them MPs as well. And MPs are definitely NOT authorized to handle recruits in anything other than law enforcement capacity. And they most certainly aren't busing recruits around.

***"From what I recall if there was ever lightning, you had to be inside somewhere."***

And how do you know there's lightning. Anyone who's spent more than a week at PI can answer this one and no, it won't escape your memory.

I'm going back to your shit status being on full again.

Get lost poser.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 04:25 PM (xSCb6)

Marines generally do not refer to them as MPs. In fact, if you Google "PMO" you'll see that the term is generally associated with the Marine Corps. I didn't say we were handled by the PMOs. All I said was that on liberty day we were walking around for an hour, there was lightning, and we were told by a passing PMO that all recruits were ordered to be at the bowling alley. And I didn't say the PMOs bused recruits around. I said we were bused around when it was lightning out, in white school buses.

How did we know it was lightning out? Seriously?

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:29 PM (XsOa7)

575 Why don't you dumbasses Google Map up Camp Lejeune, my last duty station, and ask me about that or Jacksonville. I actually remember most of that from 7 years ago, as opposed to a 115 degree summer at PI.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:30 PM (XsOa7)

576 571 ***"PMO is the Provost Marshall Office, but the other branches refer to them as MPs."***

Complete bullshit. Marines call them MPs as well. And MPs are definitely NOT authorized to handle recruits in anything other than law enforcement capacity. And they most certainly aren't busing recruits around

Yes indeed. Now taking into consideration that I am from the "Old Corps", and my information may not be up to date, but I never heard the term PMO or Provost Marshalls Office before in my life. MP was always the term used. Like in "What's your worst nightmare?" "A Lance Corporal with a badge." (Take off on the Eddie Murphy line from 48 Hours.)

Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 04:32 PM (zwD8x)

577 and fromabroad is on his.her usual spiel.

I'm backing away slowly. It's too hot and humid for this.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 01, 2015 04:28

watch out, on Fox News Exclusive. Conservatives are putting gheys in jail. A lesbian on a cons blog said it so it must be true.

Posted by: fromabroad at July 01, 2015 04:34 PM (rnV3B)

578 Sferics!

Posted by: LincolnTF at July 01, 2015 04:34 PM (2cS/G)

579 Google the term "PMO" and you'll see what I'm talking about. I don't know how "Old Corps" you are, but to us it was always "the PMOs pulled me over," and "don't let the PMOs catch you." Your experience may have been different.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:34 PM (XsOa7)

580 In fact, if you Google "PMO" you'll see that the term is generally associated with the Marine Corps.

Probably correct. If you Google PMO, as you most certainly have, you might get that answer. If you actually served in the Marine Corps, you wouldn't know WTF it was.

Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 04:35 PM (zwD8x)

581 I did after you retards claimed that the term everyone I know used was incorrect. If I were really trying to fake the funk, why would I use a little-known term when everyone knows the term "MP"?

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:39 PM (XsOa7)

582 From Wikipedia: "The Military Police Corps maintains discipline and enforces the law in the United States Army. The Marine Corps version is referred to as the Provost Marshal's Office"

So...

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:41 PM (XsOa7)

583
PI has changed since then. You are correct for your frame of reference, but now the main exchange and commissary are rubbing up against 3rdBN now. It certainly was when this clown claims he was there.

It went from being isolated to the most visible. If anything these days 1st BN is the most isolated in terms of distance.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 04:28 PM (xSCb6)

Maybe I should be quiet then, since I don't know anything about Parris Island these days. I was in 1st Btn, A Co, and our barracks looked out directly over the Grinder. We could see and hear whenever the latest series was graduating, which was both a torture and a motivation at the same time. Good days, bro.

Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 04:42 PM (zwD8x)

584 They want to forget the civil war because it was caused by Democrats. They still have memorials to the slaughter of blacks. (Black Republicans especially, see link in nic.)

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 01, 2015 04:43 PM (falEX)

585 442 The Dental Clinic on Parris Island? I haven't got the faintest idea. Probably somewhere on Mainside.
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 03:38 PM (XsOa7)

Yeah right. Every Recruit would know that. What building is it directly behind?
----------------------------
Nevergiveup - I was a recruit at PI (1st Battalion) and I can't remember where the dental clinic was. I know where the dental clinic was at Quantico cuz they removed four wisdom teeth in one day and sent my back to OCS at Brown Field - no memory of PIs dental clinic. I do remember you could all that you wanted at 3rd Battalions mess hall. Not so at 1st Bn.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at July 01, 2015 04:44 PM (oDCMR)

586 What has an iq of 42?

Posted by: Draki at July 01, 2015 04:44 PM (QL1Y0)

587 PI has changed since then. You are correct for your frame of reference, but now the main exchange and commissary are rubbing up against 3rdBN now. It certainly was when this clown claims he was there.

No, when I was there the Commissary could not be seen from the barracks. From what I recall, across the street was a tree line and bushes, through which you couldn't see. And we didn't even head in that direction most of the time anyway. We marched through the trees to the PT area, O course, and theater, which are nowhere near the Commissary and Exchange.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:47 PM (XsOa7)

588 582 From Wikipedia: "The Military Police Corps maintains discipline and enforces the law in the United States Army. The Marine Corps version is referred to as the Provost Marshal's Office"

So...

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:41 PM (XsOa7)

Well, since it says so on Wikipedia...

Seriously, since my time at P.I. was so long ago (so long ago that they would actually ask you if you were a homosexual when you wanted to enlist, and if you answered "yes" you were out) I really can't say what the story is these days. But I know if anyone ever asked me about something associated with my time in service, I wouldn't be telling people to google it, or cite Wikipedia as a source. Who the fuck does that?

Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 04:49 PM (zwD8x)

589 Dammit! No one wants to hear my marine jokes.... guess no one's interested in the marines.....

Posted by: Draki at July 01, 2015 04:49 PM (QL1Y0)

590 I wouldn't be telling people to google it, or cite Wikipedia as a source. Who the fuck does that?

Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 04:49 PM (zwD8x)
Devil dogs?

Posted by: Draki at July 01, 2015 04:51 PM (QL1Y0)

591 What else am I supposed to cite when people tell me that the terms I used for 8 years in mean I didn't actually serve? And especially so when those people acknowledge they weren't even Marines. Douchebags.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:51 PM (XsOa7)

592 Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:51 PM (XsOa7)

Sorry some people rubbed you wrong here. We get heated in discussions sometimes. Are you still with the Marines? I'm thankful for your service.

Posted by: Draki at July 01, 2015 04:53 PM (QL1Y0)

593 Heated discussion is fine, but getting called a commie/brownshirt/statist for believing that the State (not the fed govt) should ban invidious discrimination is a bit much, not to mention being told to blow a bunch of guys.

No, got out of the Marines in 2006. Thanks, I appreciate you saying that.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 04:55 PM (XsOa7)

594 Hehe, they might have thought you were Hector, what we call that dirty serb (running joke). We've got a stalker on here.

Posted by: Draki at July 01, 2015 04:59 PM (QL1Y0)

595 No dipshit, people talk about going down to PMO to get their decals, but Marines then and Marines then and Marines now call them MPs.

You're talking out of your ass.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 05:00 PM (xSCb6)

596 I once got kicked out of an African-American bookstore for being the wrong ethnicity. No problem--that's why we got Amazon, after all. It was that guy's right to have only African-Americans buy the books he stocked.

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at July 01, 2015 05:00 PM (AF8UR)

597 No dipshit, people talk about going down to PMO to get their decals, but Marines then and Marines then and Marines now call them MPs.

You're talking out of your ass.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 05:00 PM (xSCb6)

The fuck is the difference? Go to PMO to get decals, or being pulled over by PMO? Why would you use MP in one sense and PMO in the other? Even their fucking cars say "Provost Marshall" on them. If you and your little terminal lance crew used MPs bc you were hating life and eating the apple doesn't make you a fucking expert. So fuck off.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 05:02 PM (XsOa7)

598 ***"We marched through the trees to the PT area, O course, and theater, which are nowhere near the Commissary and Exchange."***

More full of shit. I was stationed there in this time frame and the 3rdBN PT area is diagonally located from the main exchange which is adjacent to the 3rdBN barracks and parade deck.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 05:03 PM (xSCb6)

599 Because PMO is the fucking building and the MPs are the personnel.

Get lost poser.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 05:04 PM (xSCb6)

600 More full of shit. I was stationed there in this time frame and the 3rdBN PT area is diagonally located from the main exchange which is adjacent to the 3rdBN barracks and parade deck.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 05:03 PM (xSCb6)

I'm telling you what I remember from there, not what I can see now on Google Maps.

I know: let's play your little game. What was your last duty station?

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 05:06 PM (XsOa7)

601 Because PMO is the fucking building and the MPs are the personnel.

Get lost poser.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 01, 2015 05:04 PM (xSCb6)

Provost Marshall Officers are the fucking building? Kill yourself.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 05:07 PM (XsOa7)

602 I once got kicked out of an African-American
bookstore for being the wrong ethnicity. No problem--that's why we got
Amazon, after all. It was that guy's right to have only
African-Americans buy the books he stocked.

Posted by: QuintJessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at July 01, 2015 05:00 PM (AF8UR)

In hawaii, the locals wouldn't serve or take the order of my wife and I.... Hawaii has got to be the racist place I've ever lived.

Posted by: Draki at July 01, 2015 05:07 PM (QL1Y0)

603 In hawaii, the locals wouldn't serve or take the
order of my wife and I.... Hawaii has got to be the racist place I've
ever lived.

Posted by: Draki at July 01, 2015 05:07 PM (QL1Y0)

Granted this was in only two places out of all of Oahu.

Posted by: Draki at July 01, 2015 05:08 PM (QL1Y0)

604 I only went to the Marine Base because they had way better 4th of July parties then the Army. MPs is what we call them in the Army. PMO is where I always had to go pick up guys.....

Posted by: Draki at July 01, 2015 05:10 PM (QL1Y0)

605 Fuck that. I say, if you want to open up a hotel, movie theater, restaurant, etc., you serve all comers, regardless of how you happen to feel about their fucking skin color, dick or lack thereof, and religion. What is so fucking horrible about that? No, this doesn't apply to stores playing Dixie, or refusing service for not wearing a shirt, etc. The government exists to keep lawful order, and that extends to the bare minimum of our relations with each other, which should be that places of PUBLIC accommodation should be freely open to the PUBLIC.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 05:12 PM (XsOa7)

606 I heard that about Hawaii--whites are "haoles" and that's apparently an insult....

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at July 01, 2015 05:14 PM (AF8UR)

607 Yeah, I agree in the short form about allowing everyone into your business. I won't force a muslim baker to bake a custom gay cake, that's just weird. Wife and I just got and found another place. Ain't worth the hassle usually.

Posted by: Draki at July 01, 2015 05:14 PM (QL1Y0)

608 I once got kicked out of an African-American
bookstore for being the wrong ethnicity.

Do the anti-discrimination laws currently on the books only work one way?

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 01, 2015 05:15 PM (u07AL)

609 I heard that about Hawaii--whites are "haoles" and that's apparently an insult....
Posted by: QuintJessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at July 01, 2015 05:14 PM
(AF8UR)

Yeah, but sometimes people would refer to me as the haole at Filipino church I went. It didn't offend me when they used it, because they didn't mean it in offensive, but descriptive many. Pancet, lumpia, crispy pata, lechon.... now I want to go back.....

Posted by: Draki at July 01, 2015 05:17 PM (QL1Y0)

610 I would force him to bake a cake and deliver it, so long as that is the end of the service and he doesn't need to participate in the reception or some such shit. If he doesn't want to serve the PUBLIC, then don't open a store catering to the PUBLIC. Advertise your bakery as private and catering to handpicked customers if that's your thing.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 05:17 PM (XsOa7)

611 Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 05:17 PM (XsOa7)

That's probably the reason why people were giving you grief. You'd have to put a gun to my head to make me bake a gay cake.

Posted by: Draki at July 01, 2015 05:19 PM (QL1Y0)

612 I understand your reasoning. I just disagree. Some might argue you could use a similar reasoning to make Jews and Muslims serve bacon and pulled pork in Alabama then.

Posted by: Draki at July 01, 2015 05:21 PM (QL1Y0)

613 I would argue that in my bakery gays and all of the public are served and can purchase anything that is already on display. The gays can have as many prepared wedding cakes, bavarian creams, and blueberry cakes, but I wouldn't make a custom cake for their wedding. To me making the custom cake is participation. Some might argue that even selling the goods already on display is participating. I'd like to hear their reasoning for such.

Posted by: Draki at July 01, 2015 05:24 PM (QL1Y0)

614 The thing is- I would probably, *probably* never even think of going into the Islamic bakery. Even in a metropolitan area, one finds amenities with which one is comfortable and sticks with them. I have the bakery I go to on Saturday mornings, and I'm not going to try out a new one since I'm known at my usual bakery, and we have enjoyed each other's company for many years. Susan Lee

Posted by: Susan Lee at July 01, 2015 05:26 PM (2PJga)

615 Posted by: Susan Lee at July 01, 2015 05:26 PM (2PJga)
But baklava!!!!! Oh well, I'm off to Chick-Fil-A. Gays can go suck my balls.

Posted by: Draki at July 01, 2015 05:28 PM (QL1Y0)

616 610 I would force him to bake a cake and deliver it, so long as that is the end of the service and he doesn't need to participate in the reception or some such shit. If he doesn't want to serve the PUBLIC, then don't open a store catering to the PUBLIC. Advertise your bakery as private and catering to handpicked customers if that's your thing.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 05:17 PM (XsOa7)

I don't think service is the issue that has irked people, but the requirement to participate. None of the cases that I know of have involved a refusal to serve homosexuals. If they want to come in and buy cake, no one asks "Are you a homosexual"? But if you desire to enter into a service contract, that is an entirely different thing. No one has a "right" to have their wedding or Bar Mitzvah or stag party catered to by whomever they chose. There can be many reasons for refusing to service a particular occasion, and religious incompatability can be one of them. Can someone go into a homosexual owned bakery and demand that the proprietor bake them a wedding cake that says "God hates homos", or even something less outright offensive like "Marriage is a union between one man and one woman"? And by the way, all businesses are already private businesses, by definition, unless they are run by a government agency. Why would one need to post such an obvious fact?

Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 05:29 PM (zwD8x)

617 I don't know what you mean by "gay cake." I was referring to a standard wedding cake, which just happens to be for a gay couple. It doesn't need to have dildos and dicks on it or anything.

And it's not comparable to bacon because Jews and Muslims wouldn't sell bacon in the first place. I'm referring to a situation in which a baker says, "I'm very happy to bake your wedding cake! Oh, wait, you're gay?! NEVER MIND." I don't see how putting two male figures on top of it violates one's religion. Do Christian bakers demand to know whether a baby shower cake is for a child born into or out of wedlock? Children out of wedlock violates their religion too, but I've never heard of it being an issue.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 05:31 PM (XsOa7)

618
That's probably the reason why people were giving you grief. You'd have to put a gun to my head to make me bake a gay cake.

Posted by: Draki at July 01, 2015 05:19 PM (QL1Y0)

In due time, comrade...

Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 05:31 PM (zwD8x)

619 I don't see how putting two male figures on top of it violates one's religion. Do Christian bakers demand to know whether a baby shower cake is for a child born into or out of wedlock? Children out of wedlock violates their religion too, but I've never heard of it being an issue.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 05:31 PM (XsOa7)

See, that is the problem. Because you cannot comprehend a thing does not make it not so. The free excercise of religion means the free excercise of an individuals religion, not the religion that you think they should have.

Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 05:34 PM (zwD8x)

620 Well, yes. Personal Property Ownership will be the Next Jihad of the Perpetually Aggrieved. Duh! Without the quaint and antiquated notion of personal property, the Outrage Goon Squads will have free reign to liberate you of your filthy lucre and thereby set you free to take your place in the collective.

Seriously, how many times must this be explained to you.

Posted by: dissent555 at July 01, 2015 05:34 PM (VFhMt)

621 After lurking here for a number of years, it's time to de lurk and say I will join you, Ace.
Fuck Them.
WAR!

Posted by: JustMikeS at July 01, 2015 05:35 PM (Hx6FI)

622 I don't think service is the issue that has irked people, but the requirement to participate. None of the cases that I know of have involved a refusal to serve homosexuals. If they want to come in and buy cake, no one asks "Are you a homosexual"? But if you desire to enter into a service contract, that is an entirely different thing. No one has a "right" to have their wedding or Bar Mitzvah or stag party catered to by whomever they chose. There can be many reasons for refusing to service a particular occasion, and religious incompatability can be one of them. Can someone go into a homosexual owned bakery and demand that the proprietor bake them a wedding cake that says "God hates homos", or even something less outright offensive like "Marriage is a union between one man and one woman"? And by the way, all businesses are already private businesses, by definition, unless they are run by a government agency. Why would one need to post such an obvious fact?

As far as I know, no Christian baker was forced to do anything with a cake outside of baking it. In my view, a person running a public establishment should not be able to discriminate on the basis of immutable characteristics, such as race, gender, religion, etc., so long as there is no particular message involved. I'm talking about the usual wedding cake, which has nothing written on it at all. At best, it has a male/male figurine on top of it. They're private, but catering to the public. So I think that means they should serve the public.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 05:36 PM (XsOa7)

623 See, that is the problem. Because you cannot comprehend a thing does not make it not so. The free excercise of religion means the free excercise of an individuals religion, not the religion that you think they should have.
Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 05:34 PM (zwD8x)

No, it's just that I don't think the free exercise of one's religion encompasses the ability to discriminate against someone who's not asking you to do something you wouldn't normally do if the person asking were some other color, gender, etc.

Imagine a woman comes in and asks for a wedding cake to be picked up from the store on the morning of July 10, and baker agrees to do it, accepts a deposit, etc. The cake has nothing written on it but is decorated with white roses. Then, on the appointed date, the woman comes in with her fiancee to pick up said cake. All of a sudden, the baker who was happily prepared to accept her money now claims he can't sell it to them because they're lesbians. That's not the free exercise of religion. That's the use of one's religion to object to a lifestyle that is not one's own.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 05:40 PM (XsOa7)

624 I think, in my opinion, as far as I know...

Not meaning to be overly offensive, but who actually gives a fuck what you think about it? I generally assume that no one particularly gives a fuck about my opinion, and I certainly don't go around thinking that the world should be run according to what my personal opinion is about any particular subject. You can think whatever you want, but stay the fuck out of my business. If you don't want to bake a cake for my wedding, then GFY, I will spend my money somewhere else. By what right do you suppose you get to force people to do, think and act according to your personal whims?

Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 05:42 PM (zwD8x)

625 By what right do you suppose you get to force people to do, think and act according to your personal whims?
Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 05:42 PM (zwD8x)

Not offended at all, and it's a good and fair question. We pass laws all the time based on people's notions of right and wrong, fair and unfair, etc. I know that the govt has proliferated beyond all reasonable measure, but we've been doing this ever since the founding of the country so it's not a statist issue. The Founders understood that this will be the case, and adopted the Constitution to impose a minimum set of values that cannot be crossed. So the government can (though it shouldn't) make any law it wishes, so long as that law doesn't violate the Constitution. In my view, forcing a Christian baker to bake a common wedding cake does not violate his religion because that cake happens to be for a gay couple. I understand that they are sinners in his view, and while I disagree with that notion, I am not his co-religionist so I won't impose my interpretation of his religion on him. But, I am fully prepared to say that if he chooses not to bake a common cake because it will be used to celebrate one or more sinners, he should go out of business because everyone is a sinner to some extent, including him. So unless he intends to give a morality test to each customer and deny those he deems unworthy, he should just bake the cake, not give a rat's ass what it's going to be used for, and keep his hard-earned money.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 05:50 PM (XsOa7)

626 Again...in your view. Why do you think that your view is the gold standard by which religious freedom is apportioned? People get to practise the religion they chose, not the one that you think they should have. There are plenty of things about all religions that I might find, silly, stupid, superstitious and even hateful. But I wouldn't dream of thinking that I can tell another person what is legitimate about their religion, and what is not. I guess that is because I am not a totalitarian.

Posted by: Tanarur at July 01, 2015 05:56 PM (zwD8x)

627 Well not in my view because I'm not in government. If I were, you could vote me out of office for passing laws you disagree with.

My point is that you're mistaken in saying that the cake baking involves the exercise of religion. It doesn't. In my example, it's using religion as a basis for discriminating against a lifestyle one finds objectionable, which is not "free exercise" thereof. By contrast, I would find it offensive to force a Jew to fry bacon because he wouldn't do that regardless of who it's for, so his refusal to do a task isn't borne out of discrimination.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 06:01 PM (XsOa7)

628 I don't see how putting two male figures on top of
it violates one's religion. Do Christian bakers demand to know whether
a baby shower cake is for a child born into or out of wedlock?
Children out of wedlock violates their religion too, but I've never
heard of it being an issue.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 05:31 PM (XsOa7)
Chick-Fil-A was delicious, but the target errand was not so fun..... Putting the two gay guys on top, I wouldn't sell those decorations in my bakery, or making a custom cake is something I wouldn't do without coercion. To me, it'd be like making a custom cake celebrating porn or drunk driving. I'm not going to do it.About the children issue, yeah it's sad that they're born and out of wedlock, but they're a distraction and not what the cake is actually celebrating, which is the gay wedding. I'd happily make a custom cake for a straight wedding with gay people attending. I'm also not going to make polygamy cakes either, even if it's 4 dudes and 1 girl.

Posted by: Draki at July 01, 2015 06:42 PM (H38te)

629 Ace.

Fuck Them.

WAR!
Posted by: JustMikeS at July 01, 2015 05:35 PM (Hx6FI)

WAR!!!!11!!!!

Posted by: Draki at July 01, 2015 06:43 PM (H38te)

630 100
This is all about punishing Southerners for failing to vote correctly. If they were still solid D voters, the Dems and their media allies wouldn't care if large numbers of them were tattooing the CBF on their foreheads.

Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at July 01, 2015 02:40 PM (u0lmX)

I agree with the other commenter who said that this needs to be repeated everywhere.

Posted by: rickl at July 01, 2015 07:24 PM (sdi6R)

631
Say a business doesn't want to serve you for some reason - you have a dog. You don't like the bible, whatever. The implication of the decision is a loss for both people - the customer does not get served, and the business loses a sale. There is a built in disincentive to correct the issue, and in the very few cases where this occurs, another business, less scrupulous, or religious, or what have you, will readily leap into the gap and fulfill that need.

The implication of Bill Quick's moronic analyses is simple - all your businesses really belong to the STATE, and the STATE doesn't discriminate.

He is preaching communism, pure and simple.

Posted by: Geroge Orwell's ghost at July 01, 2015 07:39 PM (/EkKm)

632 But wasn't Barney gay?

Well, we now know Gomer was.

Posted by: Flyover Pilgrim at July 01, 2015 07:51 PM (YHP5A)

633 Whomever brought up Hasaan has riled my thoughts. The military has also made accommodations to which I object as a veteran. We had standards and they should have remained...As an elite force, we should have been able to keep gay people under DADT, or the females from changing standards to the exceptional programs of the Rangers and SF. A Muslim soldier gets to use HIS religion to not shave a beard or wear head gear FFS, and a stellar Army Chaplain with 20 years of exemplary OER's is now being harassed and could lose everything because teh gays. This is not acceptable and it's fucking up our Military. There should be ZERO bending for anyone when it comes to standards we have used for 200+ years.

I have nothing against anyone but this blanket shit has got to stop. The left was whining way back in 2004 about how they were "denied" free speech, wanted the gov't out of their collective sex lives, they hated Bush. I mean, WTF, already!!! Pretty soon we're gonna have to watch someone take it in the keister because #tolerance. The left is honing for all of it and yet still willfully obtuse that it will affect them.

If we aren't for liberty, we are for nothing. I don't have to like anyone, you don't have to like me. But I get to fucking say so without being fucking sued. Everyone is not likeable to others for whatever reason--get. over. it.

Remember the days of "No shirt, no shoes, no service." when people paid attention and nobody whined. They said, "Shit." and turned their unclothed selves back around.

disclaimer:No interwebs or news all day makes me a pissy thinker.

#ATTsucksballs

#AndrewsArmy #Breitbartliveson
#fuckfuckfucking

Posted by: DefendUSA at July 01, 2015 09:18 PM (tEZwJ)

634 "America is in a dark chapter of its existence -- we have faced worse external threats, but not worse internal threats." I take your point Ace, but the Civil War was a worse internal threat than today's cultural marxism. As for you deciding who you will or won't serve in your own store, that freedom was lost around 1964.

Posted by: gp at July 01, 2015 10:12 PM (mk9aG)

635 Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 01, 2015 06:01 PM (XsOa7)

Jeebus fcuk are you a statist.

Go piss up an electrified fence.

Posted by: exsanguine at July 01, 2015 11:46 PM (V0oj4)

636 Jeebus fcuk are you a statist.

Go piss up an electrified fence.

Posted by: exsanguine at July 01, 2015 11:46 PM (V0oj4)

Go fuck your dog. Just make sure to separate him from your mother before you do.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at July 02, 2015 11:17 AM (XsOa7)

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