We're Living In The United States Of Calvinball. It's Time The Right Got In The Game.

"Other kids' games are all such a bore!
They've gotta have rules and they gotta keep score!
Calvinball is better by far!
It's never the same! It's always bizarre!
You don't need a team or a referee!
Excerpt from the Calvinball theme song"

The imaginary game from the great Calvin and Hobbes comic strip series seems eerily like what liberals have made of what is supposed to be our constitutional republic.

The right is behind in this game because we don't want to admit we're playing it but we are. I'll admit I'm late to the game. While I still don't think it's time to go full Obama it is time to embrace a hybrid game that allows us to live within the Constitution while fighting back. Well, we could if there was a party willing to play for us.

Let's pretend for a moment the GOP wakes up one morning and realizes it stands for something beyond "win seats, hire loyalists, and pay consultants" (hey it's Calvinball, anything is possible), what would want them to do?

Assuming there is a GOP Congress and President come 2017 there are a few things they can do that would shake up the fundamental nature of our current political system while still staying with the Constitutional system we cherish.

1- Eliminate the filibuster.
It is neither ordained by God nor required by the Constitution. Mostly what it serves to do is lock Democratic wins into place and make it impossible for conservatives to pass anything.

The GOP has never held a filibuster proof majority in the Senate so it's not a positive tool for passing things and locking them in. Yes, the Democrats will some day have a majority and pass spectacularly horrible things but they do that anyway. All the filibuster really does is make it easier for liberal Republicans to collaborate with Democrats to create and save programs.

Removing the filibuster would create a balance of terror that is lacking now. Democrats know they can pass programs and there's nothing the GOP can do in response. Make them fear what the next GOP majority will pass when they are helpless.

Once the filibuster is gone, what should the GOP do?

2- Create two or four new Supreme Court seats.
Yes, pack the court to the gills. Again, there's nothing magical about having nine justices at a time. If the Court is going to serve as a Super-Legislature it should be larger.

Liberals want to play games and make SCOTUS the center of the government, fine. That's there move now it's our turn to play come Calvinball and change the rules.

Harry Reid nuked the filibuster to pack the DC Court of appeals so the precedent,
not that government by Calvinball requires one, has been set. Game on.

None of the new justices should be older than 50 or so and all should be
unabashed conservatives. They don't even have to be lawyers. Justice Charles C.W. Cooke has a nice ring to it, no?

3- Eliminate withholding.
Again, there's nothing sacred about the way we collect our taxes. If people want big, crushing government, fine. Make them feel it and let them see how much it costs them.

I think hiking taxes is bad policy and economics but it can be good politics, so if as a sop to independents and even Democrats I'd support a 15 or 20% surcharge on the net worth of the top 1% to sweeten the pot. The "donor class" has been spending lots of money pushing big government types. Fine, pony up even more.

4- Repeal ObamaCare and a whole host of other laws.
Hey it's Calvinball, you can do whatever you want! Have at it.

Will the GOP, especially a Mitch McConnell led Senate, do any of these things? No.

Even if the GOP wins the presidency, the Senate majority will probably be smaller. Faced with the usual mid-term losses of the party in power, McConnell will retreat even further into a shell to protect his useless members. For them, it's about winning to stay in office,, not to do anything with those wins.

Even if the GOP was willing to "pack the Court" there's no reason to believe a GOP President wouldn't just appoint a bunch of Souter, Kennedy and Roberts types.

Could all of this backfire at some point in the future even if it payed dividends in the short and/or medium term? Sure but we know for a fact that if we keep playing by the rules of the game as they exist we'll lose more now AND in the future.

I understand these ideas are not temperamentally conservative. One should not rush to throw old systems away on a whim. The problem is the old systems we love have been thrown away. We simply need to accept that.

Everything I've advocated, while disruptive are within the bounds of the Constitution. They don't require us to ignore laws or invent new rights. We just need to be willing to take advantage of the moves we are allowed to make now.

But the GOP will do none of this. They will either promise you unattainable Constitutional amendments or suggest you meekly assent to liberal usurpations.

And my guess is, that will be good enough for most conservatives.

Enjoy the decline. But hey...Go GOP, right?

Posted by: DrewM. at 10:33 AM




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1 The reenactment at Gettysburg has been postponed. Very wet grounds are
the reason. Probably a relief for many, with all the Confederate flag
bans.
Some other groups said they wouldn't display the flag.
You
won't find it at the official visitors center, but there should be some
displayed at all the souvenir shops. Of course the City of Gettysburg
could ban the sale.

Posted by: Colin at June 29, 2015 10:34 AM (WQLtV)

2 Whew. 20 min STOMP on the art thread.

Ouch.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at June 29, 2015 10:37 AM (nqiq9)

3 Calvin is an immature butthead!!

Posted by: Susie Derkins at June 29, 2015 10:38 AM (jmN7w)

4 United States of Calvinball

Love it, I'm going to start dropping that one on people as often as I can. It so accurately describes the current state of affairs.

Posted by: Gaff at June 29, 2015 10:39 AM (jPS2y)

5 Great read. Can Dumbledore be the president in this magical tale?

Posted by: Dang at June 29, 2015 10:40 AM (2oWD2)

6 Article V Convention of States.

Why does Ace of Spades oppose it?

Posted by: Brendan at June 29, 2015 10:40 AM (8YVZT)

7 Who cares if they can't legislate from the bench, don't stop at 2 or 4 justices, pack the court so full the supremes feel *all* the pain of the legislative branches.

Posted by: A.N. Onymous at June 29, 2015 10:40 AM (kuv+8)

8 Who cares if they can't legislate from the bench, don't stop at 2 or 4
justices, pack the court so full the supremes feel *all* the pain of the
legislative branches.

Didn't FDR try that?

Posted by: Colin at June 29, 2015 10:41 AM (WQLtV)

9 Nothing here to put a grin on my face. We may have ideas on paper that get dusted off every four years, but they never get enacted. Our Republican Senators, with few exceptions, are pieces of shit.

They got 'theirs' so fuck you proles.

Posted by: se pa moron at June 29, 2015 10:43 AM (xQX/f)

10 Could all of this backfire at some point in the future even if it payed dividends in the short and/or medium term?


Since when did "paid" become "payed"? Or is this CalvinBall spelling?

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 29, 2015 10:44 AM (JO9+V)

11 Communication along the way might possibly be useful, to help demonstrate cause/effect. Goodness only knows how many people need things spelled out for them.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at June 29, 2015 10:47 AM (9Y7bY)

12 Oh God it just gets better...Bobby Jindal? Your kidding me right? He looks like Ray Romano after Ray fell asleep in a tanning booth go God's sake. Hahahaha...Bobby Jindal? Last time I seen this guy he was at the Quickie Mart getting me a pack of parliament lights and a slushee. Hahahaha....Your making me cry.

Posted by: The Donald at June 29, 2015 10:47 AM (D0NZx)

13 "It's Time The Right Got In The Game."

It was time 50 years ago. What makes you think they will now? I've come to the conclusion that along with irony, mortality and gravity, one immutable law of nature is that the GOP will NOT recognize the truth of the Left and will NOT fight them.

Posted by: rrpjr at June 29, 2015 10:49 AM (s/yC1)

14 330 million peole who don't agree on the basic rules of the game are ungovernable.

Plan accordingly.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 29, 2015 10:49 AM (659DL)

15 hey gop GOPhuckyourselves

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at June 29, 2015 10:49 AM (0O7c5)

16 You're still to close to following the old rules.

The New Rule is this:
#1 Laws mean whatever you say the "intent" is. That includes the
Constitution.
#2 Rights are whatever you feel like are good and nice.

Let me get you started:

Good--The intent of the 10th Amendment was that the federal courts could not rule on any matter not specifically granted under the Constitution--they can't rule on abortion, voting rights, marriage, discrimination, immigration, taxes, drugs, etc. In short: The power of the federal court is limited to those cases between federal agencies and branches of the federal government. And no State or citizen is bound to recognize their authority otherwise.

Better--The intent of the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments was that no citizen should pay any money to the federal government unless convicted of a crime by a jury of his pears. And that the federal government cannot enact nor enforce any criminal laws.

Best--The intent of the 2nd Amendment was that States are required to provide weapons, of all sorts, to their citizens.

Nuclear--The intent of the Constitution means that each state is free to set the number of congressmen and senators they send to represent them in the federal government.

Remember: The words don't fucking matter---only whatever you make up as the intent matters now.




Posted by: RoyalOil at June 29, 2015 10:50 AM (ZvKdv)

17 Calvinball. I like it. It is the way things are heading anyway, so why not embrace it. Let's go bananas.

Posted by: TX ette at June 29, 2015 10:50 AM (sUJHF)

18 Or, every Conservative member of the House and Senate packs up and goes home.

They do nothing to advance a Conservative agenda and do everything to prop up the GOP-Democrat Alliance.

It is a simple and powerful message we can send to them

Go home. The game is fixed. Stop playing.

Posted by: eman at June 29, 2015 10:50 AM (MQEz6)

19 Greetings, gentlefappers.

How does it feel to be the counterculture?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 29, 2015 10:50 AM (eEb+d)

20 Why does Ace of Spades oppose it?

Because the convention you would get would not be a senible, pragmatic gathering like Philadelphia. It would look and sound like the Star Wars bar scene.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 29, 2015 10:51 AM (659DL)

21 RE: Filibuster I'm not as convinced on the filibuster but I am at least willing to consider that.

RE: Court packing, sheesh, I should know why this can't be done but I am being super remembery. I'd rather go down the amend to get rid of life time appointments and/or Congress using Article III powers to strip out jurisdiction road but, again, I'm open to a Court packing argument. Gah this is going to bug me that I can't remember what happened with FDR's court packing scheme.

RE: Ending withholding. Yup. Yup yup yup. Once upon a time, I received a very significant bonus. I told my parents the gross amount and then when it came through I told them the net amount and Mommy flipped out because where was the rest of it and I was all ummm taxes. This is what happens when they all come out at once. Feel. The. Pain. Make every person write that check.

RE: Repeal All The Things. Hell to the yes. Here's a fun fact. Did you know that no one knows how many Federal criminal laws there are? No, seriously, no one knows. Good times, good times.

Posted by: alexthechick - Shall I be reciprocal? Time will tell. at June 29, 2015 10:52 AM (mf5HN)

22 one immutable law of nature is that the GOP will NOT recognize the truth of the Left and will NOT fight them.

Posted by: rrpjr at June 29, 2015 10:49 AM (s/yC1)

Sorry, but my reading is that the GOP is in on the whole gig. FedGov Uber Alles, and all that.
Why would they fight the thing they want?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 29, 2015 10:52 AM (XmOA9)

23 That's not Calvin Ball. That's pipe dreams because the suggestions would require legislation. Calvin Ball involves actions that can be done now using existing laws and interpreting them to our advantage.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 29, 2015 10:52 AM (Q4pU/)

24 Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 29, 2015 10:51 AM (659DL)

Xactly.

The other part to Calvinball - didn't he usually lose to Hobbes?

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at June 29, 2015 10:53 AM (nqiq9)

25 Pass a "Sunset Law"

ALL federal programs requiring funding shall cease to exist in ten years. A new Congress must pass new legislation to keep it going.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 29, 2015 10:53 AM (so+oy)

26 I would "Require the government (executive branch, congress, and the courts) and all that work for it to live under the laws they pass, no more exemptions, remove immunity from legal action that is nowhere in the Constitution.



Posted by: Jon at June 29, 2015 10:53 AM (+C5m6)

27 5. Executive order reviews and wholesale repeals

6. Nullification of public employee unions (this should be #1, btw)

7. Destruction of lefty government agencies (Education, HUD, etc.). Destroy the records, fire the employees, raze the buildings, and sell the land. Those that cannot be destroyed should have their employees re-tasked to producing hand-written copies the Declaration for distribution to the scool children of America. Firings for failure to meet quality and production targets.

Posted by: revolting peasant at June 29, 2015 10:53 AM (saXh0)

28 Toooo depressing... I'm going back to the pretty picture...

Posted by: donna at June 29, 2015 10:53 AM (Bn6aD)

29 Don't these people ever give up.

Posted by: Sgt. Major Kilgore at June 29, 2015 10:54 AM (csm2J)

30 Hell with this. I think we need to tax the bejeezus out of everybody we can. Our motto: "We need to pay for all the free shit we want."

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 29, 2015 10:55 AM (AWijS)

31 29 Don't these people ever give up.
Posted by: Sgt. Major Kilgore at June 29, 2015 10:54 AM (csm2J)

Nope. Satan never sleeps.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at June 29, 2015 10:55 AM (nqiq9)

32 You can't expect the thing that is the problem to fix the problem.

They should do this, they should do that.

Stupid bullshit.

Stop playing the rigged game.

Posted by: eman at June 29, 2015 10:55 AM (MQEz6)

33 Massive tax hikes for all! You want it, you have to pay for it!

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 29, 2015 10:55 AM (AWijS)

34 26 I would "Require the government (executive branch, congress, and the courts) and all that work for it to live under the laws they pass, no more exemptions, remove immunity from legal action that is nowhere in the Constitution.

Posted by: Jon at June 29, 2015 10:53 AM (+C5m6)

Let's do it +1. All government must live under rules made for the people for two years before it goes into effect for everyone else.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 10:55 AM (HalrA)

35 Filibuster I'm not as convinced on the filibuster but I am at least willing to consider that.

I'm not convinced on it at all because the left would use their legislative abilities in its absence to push through laws that would guarantee their grip on power. So, no....

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 29, 2015 10:55 AM (659DL)

36 It would look and sound like the Star Wars bar scene.

Minus Figrin D'an and the Modal Nodes.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 29, 2015 10:56 AM (ZKzrr)

37 Funny how the world is supposed to bend with one SCOTUS decision on gay marriage, but after 2 SCOTUS opinions (Indiana and Texas) in favor of Voter ID and at least one certiorari decision to let it contiue, we still have those who believe it isn't merely moot.

Posted by: President Asshole Obama at June 29, 2015 10:56 AM (e8kgV)

38 RE: Repeal All The Things. Hell to the yes. Here's a fun fact. Did you know that no one knows how many Federal criminal laws there are? No, seriously, no one knows. Good times, good times.


But Ignorance of the Law is Still No Excuse. Your Honor, am I supposed to stop working so I can study the hundreds of thousands of laws, rules and regulations I have to abide by? How about eating, can I do that while I'm studying all your laws? Hmm?

Wow, I guess that we're expected to be omnipotent citizens these days, eh? I'm working on it, but it's just not happening quickly enough to suit me.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 29, 2015 10:57 AM (eEb+d)

39 And set term limits.

Posted by: Trainman Tim at June 29, 2015 10:57 AM (eV/KL)

40 You want to give welfare to unassimilated Somali immigrants? Great, now how much will you be contributing?

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 29, 2015 10:57 AM (AWijS)

41 Stop playing the rigged game.
Posted by: eman at June 29, 2015 10:55 AM (MQEz6)

At this point it's Article V, Very Bad Things, or Get Used To The Chains. Very Bad Things may well follow Article V no matter what the result is, depending on what happens at such a convention, and what the Imperial Government's response is.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 10:57 AM (HalrA)

42 Calvinball, the only way to win is not play the game.

Posted by: Khalid el Browncowski at June 29, 2015 10:57 AM (zGQ5T)

43 Sounds a lot like Kurt Schlichter and his book Conservative Insurgency. And hell yes, go for it.

Posted by: Aikido2kyu at June 29, 2015 10:58 AM (I92iB)

44 Perhaps as a more sustainable short term goal, start prosecuting people in red states for discriminating against Christians... religion is a protected class already...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2015 10:58 AM (78TbK)

45 23
That's not Calvin Ball. That's pipe dreams because the suggestions would
require legislation. Calvin Ball involves actions that can be done now
using existing laws and interpreting them to our advantage.
=============
Right, because now only whatever you call the intent matters, only what you claim is a right matter--not the words, not precedent, not a damned thing.

Do like the AG here in TX did--"since the Court said religious liberty must be protected, that means County clerks don't have to issue marriage licenses to homosexuals if it violates their religious conscious."

Take only those parts that support what you want, pretend the rest doesn't exist.


Posted by: RoyalOil at June 29, 2015 10:59 AM (ZvKdv)

46 Because the convention you would get would not be a senible, pragmatic gathering like Philadelphia. It would look and sound like the Star Wars bar scene.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 29, 2015 10:51 AM (659DL)



Now be fair. The ONT could pound out a totes cromulent Constitution.

Posted by: alexthechick - Shall I be reciprocal? Time will tell. at June 29, 2015 10:59 AM (mf5HN)

47 Maybe less Calvinball and more Fizbin. If they're going to bend the rules to suit them, let's make up the rules as we go, and every time they adapt to what they were thirty seconds ago, there's something else that fucks up their shit.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:00 AM (HalrA)

48 Because Republicans have been so good at picking Justices.

Think about it - Warren, O'Connor, Stevens, Souter, Kennedy, Roberts....

Sure we got Thomas, Scalia, and Alito (all real gems) but we lose more than we win.

The Dems get to put in whatever hard left they want because the republicans are bitches. But when Robert Bork gets 'Borked' by murderer Kennedy and that coward and liar Kerry they tuck tail and run.

Posted by: blindside at June 29, 2015 11:00 AM (oEM6c)

49 Minus Figrin D'an and the Modal Nodes.

Holy crap, the Star Wars cantina band actually had a name?

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 29, 2015 11:00 AM (AWijS)

50 4- Repeal ObamaCare and a whole host of other laws.

Do it under the aegis of saving Social Security.
Since the trust fund is basically bankrupt, it won't be long before awful decisions will be necessary as to which programs will be able to continue.

You can go the "President Underwood" (see "House of Card") route and steal all the "entitlement money" to fund new programs, like ObamaCare .. or you can save a program that Democrats have claimed for half a century is "untouchable."

Posted by: President Asshole Obama at June 29, 2015 11:00 AM (e8kgV)

51 The ONT could pound out a totes cromulent Constitution.

Yes, and unfortunately California, Vermont, and Hawaii are states.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 29, 2015 11:01 AM (659DL)

52
The GOP has never held a filibuster proof majority in the Senate



Did so. Post-War of Northern Aggression when the Southern white Democratic voters were disenfranchised.

Mind you, admittedly a special case.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 29, 2015 11:01 AM (kdS6q)

53 Ending withholding.. Name me one person who has the financial fortitude to put that tax money away every week in order to write the big check at the end of the year.

This is a fucking conservative's wet dream that everyone talks about but would be an unmitigated disaster in year one.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 29, 2015 11:01 AM (so+oy)

54
I think the impracticality and very slim chances of everything being proposed reflects our lack of useful options - not the quality or sincerity of the proposals, BTW. When your electorate is (sufficiently) ignorant irresponsible and bereft of historical American values and mindset; when there is no real opposition party; when the very language of the civic culture has been undone (words mean nothing, oaths mean nothing, unlimited bad faith from key actors) - then one's options are not readily apparent.

Note: the same reason much of this has happened is the reason we here represent a small slice of the populace. Not our views, the very fact we are even thinking and aware of most of these things. That inertia of indifference and distraction is at least as big a daunting problem as the others.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2015 11:02 AM (QDnY+)

55 Yes, and unfortunately California, Vermont, and Hawaii are states.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 29, 2015 11:01 AM (659DL)

Actually Under Fizbin rules, Third Edition, 19th Revision, they're not legally counted as States on Mondays.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:02 AM (HalrA)

56 See how the GOP reacts when someone threatens the existing power structure, how the gloves come off and one finds that they can indeed fight. Mississippi comes to mind, in the last senate race.
See how they helped vilify "tea party" groups, and at the very least, never even stood in the well of the senate to rebuke hairy reed for his thoughts on his fellow americans.

Would a party that believes what it tells it's voters do what this party has done? What would a GOP that wanted totalitarianism do differently than what this party has actually done?

(My best Obama voice) There are those who say we should build the party from the bottom and take over in time.
(My best Jack Bauer voice) THERE'S NO TIME!!!

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 29, 2015 11:03 AM (XmOA9)

57 That's not Calvin Ball. That's pipe dreams because the suggestions would require legislation. Calvin Ball involves actions that can be done now using existing laws and interpreting them to our advantage

In Calvinball you can't use the same rule twice. It's always new rules.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 29, 2015 11:03 AM (oX9pn)

58 This is a fucking conservative's wet dream that everyone talks about but would be an unmitigated disaster in year one.

Unmitigated disaster was three exits back.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 29, 2015 11:03 AM (659DL)

59 Serfs dreaming about freedom.

Posted by: eman at June 29, 2015 11:03 AM (MQEz6)

60 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 29, 2015 11:03 AM (kff5f)

61 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 29, 2015 11:04 AM (kff5f)

62 Rule of Law.
RIP

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 29, 2015 11:04 AM (kff5f)

63
This is a fucking conservative's wet dream that everyone talks about but would be an unmitigated disaster in year one.
***
You could go half way on it.

End automatic withholding, but have the government offer linking your bank account so the IRS can automatically withdraw.

Now you get that $2k pay stub but the feds take their $500 or so before you see it - so all you see is a $1500 deposit.

Under this plan you'd see $2k deposited and the feds immediately taking $500 as a withdrawal.

Might get a little more focus on how much you are actually paying...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2015 11:04 AM (78TbK)

64
Any morons in NH?


The "journey" of a 10 year old transgender child.

Somebody call the cops


http://bit.ly/1LDVnVL

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 29, 2015 11:04 AM (qCMvj)

65 "Enjoy the decline. But hey...Go GOP, right?"

but, but Fox News is a conservative media outlet!!!


... there is going to be a civil war, I'm not calling for it, I don't want it, but it is coming, too many millions of people are being ignored.

papering over our problems with worthless currency and TV will not work forever.

Posted by: Shoey at June 29, 2015 11:05 AM (vA94g)

66
3- Eliminate withholding.




During World War II, Congress introduced payroll withholding and quarterly tax payments with the vote of the Current Tax Payment Act of 1943

And as soon as we beat the Japanese -- poof! It's gone.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 29, 2015 11:05 AM (kdS6q)

67 "Name me one person who has the financial fortitude to put that tax
money away every week in order to write the big check at the end of the
year."

Every single individual that runs a small business.

Posted by: lowandslow at June 29, 2015 11:06 AM (nkUcM)

68 Yeah, but then the media would suddenly find themselves defending those institutions and would call the R congress illegitimate and SCOTUS would agree.


And didnt FDR try packing the court, and failed?

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:06 AM (AkOaV)

69 Unmitigated disaster was three exits back.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 29, 2015 11:03 AM (659DL)

We're in "fact is fiction and TV's reality" territory now.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:06 AM (HalrA)

70
Chi-town, I think you're mistaking a "problem" with the withholding idea with, um, the actual point. Not to cause short-term chaos in people's finances, but to make the impact of taxes visible, not invisible.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2015 11:06 AM (QDnY+)

71 You want it you have to pay for it. ..

I've been saying this for like forever. 1099 every recipient of government giveaway programs. The people who pay taxes shouldn't be responsible for our huge deficit. Have a running tab, year after year. Give them a report every bunch of years of just how much they debt they have accrued.

Publish it in newspapers, make it available online, for all to see. Bring back shame.

Posted by: se pa moron at June 29, 2015 11:06 AM (xQX/f)

72 This better not be tongue-in-cheek because I rarely agree with Drew, this, though, I can live with.

There has to be a better way with the filibuster, though. Can't they, with a majority vote, (at least in Calvinball) do away with the filibuster only when there is a President in office who stands more than 6'5" or something like that? How about more than 6'4" and/or weighs more than 270 pounds? Let's start getting Presidents that look like Kings, after all they are acting like them.

Posted by: doug at June 29, 2015 11:06 AM (IYEs/)

73 Might get a little more focus on how much you are actually paying...


For those who can't seem to find the areas on their pay stubs for Federal Withholding on their own.

Or do the mental math it takes to find the difference between Gross Pay and Net Pay.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 29, 2015 11:07 AM (eEb+d)

74 i'm with alex the chick on this....

+ do we really want to increase how many supreme court justices there are?

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at June 29, 2015 11:07 AM (0O7c5)

75 If we're ditching the First Amendment, repeal that one for the Press.

There's no reason Churches need to shut up and the Press doesn't.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 29, 2015 11:07 AM (oVJmc)

76 So the genius idea is to leave the income tax in place and just change the way it is paid.

You mean, you have such power and you left the income tax in place?!

This is all post-injury shock coming to the surface.

Posted by: eman at June 29, 2015 11:07 AM (MQEz6)

77 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 29, 2015 11:04 AM (qCMvj)

Oh, for gods sake...

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:07 AM (AkOaV)

78 59

Only serfs would dream of it

Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger at June 29, 2015 11:07 AM (xaWUq)

79 tl;dr

*hic*

Posted by: John Boehner at June 29, 2015 11:08 AM (oZr5y)

80 62 Rule of Law.
RIP
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 29, 2015 11:04 AM (kff5f)

The Rule of Law doesn't get enough love these days. It's the very cornerstone of the Anglosphere, the thing that sets us apart from Europe, and the rest of the world at large.

In most of the world, and through most of history, power is the law. Hold power, the law is what you say it is. Under the Rule of Law, even Kings and Emperors are subject to a higher authority, the things that all people agree are beyond question.

The Leftists, all megalomaniacs, chafe under such restrictions. Any limit on their ability to control you and fuck with you however they want, whenever they want is to be subverted and destroyed.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:09 AM (HalrA)

81 new Jindal ad

We're all Americans

http://therightscoop.com/were-all-americans-new-jindal-ad-running-in-iowa/

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 29, 2015 11:09 AM (qCMvj)

82 Art V. Ok. let's do this.

Rewrite the first amendment : You have the right to say what you think, and to think what you want.

2nd amendment : everyone must be armed.

5th : you don't have to talk to anyone.

tenth : any state can do whatever the hell they want.

fourteenth : All law applies to everyone, no exception and there are no special law for special people, including tax law.

22nd : No elected official serves more than two terms, and every appointment expires when the elected official that made that appointment leaves public office and for the purposes of this amendment hired means appointed.

Posted by: Khalid el Browncowski at June 29, 2015 11:09 AM (zGQ5T)

83 Every single individual that runs a small business.

Posted by: lowandslow
...........
They usually do that quarterly if not monthly. I know of no business bigger than a hobby who is allowed to wait the entire year to reconcile its taxes.

So.. next?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 29, 2015 11:09 AM (so+oy)

84
3- Eliminate withholding.

conservative's wet dream that everyone talks about but would be an unmitigated disaster in year one.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry




Between the Income Tax Act of 1916 and the Current Tax Payment Act of 1943, that's what people did.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 29, 2015 11:09 AM (kdS6q)

85 I have to say, I am FAR more concerned about terrorist threats than any BS about gay fucking marriage...

Why does the GOP always pick the wrong hill..?

Posted by: melodicmetal1 at June 29, 2015 11:10 AM (MV2jA)

86 64
Any morons in NH?

The "journey" of a 10 year old transgender child.

Somebody call the cops

http://bit.ly/1LDVnVL


My honest opinion is that the kid was showing signs of gheyity and the parents freaked out and are willing to do anything, ANYTHING to keep from having a ghey kid. Even turning the kid into a girl.

IMHO, it's child abuse straight up, with a side order of extreme homophobia.

Posted by: Citizen X at June 29, 2015 11:10 AM (7ObY1)

87 Bring back shame.
Posted by: se pa moron at June 29, 2015 11:06 AM (xQX/f)

Infamy and Fame have become the same thing, because there is no longer any shame. Anything that makes you prominent, no matter how stupid or monstrous is desirable.

Let's stop falling for the left's kafkaesque shame spirals and start throwing around our own blame and shame.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:10 AM (HalrA)

88 Posted by: doug at June 29, 2015 11:06 AM (IYEs/)

What would be funny, if they really wanted to play Calvinball, is to suspend the filibuster with a Republican Majority, then say, "Whoops, we realized how bad that was, sorry!" when the Democrats inevitably regain control over one or both chambers (say, the day after the election, while still in control).

Then, when the Democrats move to remove the filibuster, they can go on all the TV outlets claiming how they were shown the error of their ways by the People - and now Democrats are trying to subvert the Will of the People, yada yada.

Of course, this would require an actual opposition party, which we don't have.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 29, 2015 11:11 AM (kff5f)

89 Many parts of a pine cone are edible.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at June 29, 2015 11:11 AM (evdj2)

90 53 Ending withholding.. Name me one person who has the financial fortitude to put that tax money away every week in order to write the big check at the end of the year.

This is a fucking conservative's wet dream that everyone talks about but would be an unmitigated disaster in year one.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 29, 2015 11:01 AM (so+oy)

That's precisely the point.

Posted by: blindside at June 29, 2015 11:11 AM (oEM6c)

91 74 i'm with alex the chick on this....

+ do we really want to increase how many supreme court justices there are?
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at June 29, 2015 11:07 AM (0O7c5)

Only when we have power. They've called the tune, but we can still win the dance-off. Arbitrary law is a bitch.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:12 AM (HalrA)

92 That inertia of indifference and distraction is at least as big a daunting problem as the others.
***
Yeah, replace the people currently running the culture/government with their right wing alternate universe selves and the mushy middle would be fine as they banned abortion, affirmative action, and started shutting down parts of the government at the cabinet level.


Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2015 11:12 AM (78TbK)

93 For those who can't seem to find the areas on their pay stubs for Federal Withholding on their own.

Most people don't look at their pay stubs, especially those with direct deposit. Money just magically appears in their account every 2 weeks (or however often).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 29, 2015 11:12 AM (kff5f)

94 The Rule of Law doesn't get enough love these days. It's the very cornerstone of the Anglosphere, the thing that sets us apart from Europe, and the rest of the world at large.

In most of the world, and through most of history, power is the law. Hold power, the law is what you say it is. Under the Rule of Law, even Kings and Emperors are subject to a higher authority, the things that all people agree are beyond question.

The Leftists, all megalomaniacs, chafe under such restrictions. Any limit on their ability to control you and fuck with you however they want, whenever they want is to be subverted and destroyed.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:09 AM (HalrA)



Here's a little preview. BC and I spend a nice chunk of time yelling at each other about King and the Will to Power and going Full Nietzsche in our latest podcast.

Spoiler alert: We're not fans of this.

Posted by: alexthechick - Shall I be reciprocal? Time will tell. at June 29, 2015 11:12 AM (mf5HN)

95 All laws must be tweetable

Posted by: Lostintx at June 29, 2015 11:13 AM (d20vC)

96 IMHO, it's child abuse straight up, with a side order of extreme homophobia.
Posted by: Citizen X at June 29, 2015 11:10 AM (7ObY1)

5 years old.

The kid doesnt know what transitioning genders or homosexuality or even sexuality or anything is.

Will most likely grow out of it.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:13 AM (AkOaV)

97 I ran a small business and I had to deliver tax money to the feds weekly. X number of days after every payroll.

Maybe the business was a little bigger than small.

Posted by: se pa moron at June 29, 2015 11:13 AM (xQX/f)

98 I'm going to repeat my list to stimulate other's contributions

There is a lot you can do against Leviathan without even sticking your neck out. Some thoughts in no particular order:

1 Stop buying stuff
2 Do only what the government directly compels you to do.
3 Pay in cash with a winkwink
4 Cheat the government whenever possible
5 Steal all your entertainment
6 If you know of tax cheating, keep your mouth shut
7 If called to jury, refuse to convict
8 Discriminate in all your private dealings, without openly saying so
9 If you see a CoC sticker on a business, go elsewhere
10 Vote against all tax levies, particularly school levies
11 Buy firearms and ammo. It's not simply a just-in-case, it's a good financial investment of small sums when savings are yielding 1/4 of a percent.

Good Citizens are chumps.

They need us more than we need them.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at June 29, 2015 11:13 AM (evdj2)

99 I cannot say this enough - NULLIFICATION NOW

https://www.facebook.com/groups/unspinthespin/

States can nullify unconstitutional federal laws AND court rulings. The Founders themselves said that nullification was not just permissible, but was a DUTY of the states!

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at June 29, 2015 11:13 AM (YYJjz)

100 I'll bet the world's ugliest dog is a sweetheart, and very lovable. I actually think she is kind of cute.

Posted by: maddogg at June 29, 2015 11:13 AM (xWW96)

101 I have not fully thought it through, but maybe instead of eliminating government agencies and departments, we create new ones. Ones that have functions similar to already existing departments, only they don't have any employees or much of a budget.

Then cut the budgets of those departments that already exist, and have 500,000 employees doing the work that the new department does with about 150.

That way when they say "oh, you want to cut out grandma's tapioca pudding, you cruel bastards?" Your response can be "oh no, we're not cutting it out, that's now a function of the U.S. Department of Nice Tapioca Pudding And Yams, Figs, Onions, Rutabagas, Iced Tea.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 29, 2015 11:14 AM (TOk1P)

102 Well, I have to disagree with you about going full Obama.

It's time. Way past time.


The Age of Consensus is dead.

It's simply about who's willing to use the power while they have it.

If we want anything approaching, the society and gov't we had before, we have to play the Left's game and play it hard.(And yes, I realize the irony of that statement.)

If the Reps can manage not to screw the pooch and elect a Conservative Federalist.

He has to be willing on Day One to pass laws that will return Fed agencies such as the EPA to the states(all states have their own EPAs anyway), etc.

As well as other laws that defund and horrify the Left.
Wide open fracking and building of nuke plants is a good start. We need cheap, reliable energy if we're to compete with other countries and still pay good wages and bring manufacturing back.

Also, taking a good hard look at all the "green energy" graft and corruption should be a no brainer. Solyndra, anyone?

All the your other ideas are good as well.


HOWEVER, the next Rep Prez must be a real political bastard- and have a "Come to Jesus" talk with both Boneless and Turdle should they remain in place.

We can't have Boneless/Turdle blabbing on TV after the election about how we're going to finally run Congress to be bipartisan and build consensus.

As Boneless did after Pelosi lost her seat.

That was Boneless simply signally surrender and meant he was pledging to be an ineffective worm.

And no more stupid talk about how "they need to prove they can govern"-

Just act! Repeal Obama's laws! Pass new beneficial laws to get the economy going!-

That's "governing" you stupid spineless jackass.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 29, 2015 11:14 AM (KUa85)

103 >>> Once the filibuster is gone, what should the GOP do? <<<



An omnibus bill labeled the "Save America and the World from Overpopulation" Law in honor of Bill Nye and Neil deGrasse-Tyson, containing the following:

1.) Mandatory abortions for ALL pregnancies/punishments/mistakes/patriarchal impositions suffered by leftists/Democrat voters currently identifying as female, especially those brought about through PIV "rape" by males.

2.) Mandatory vasectomies for leftists/Democrat voters currently identifying as male.

3.) Mandatory vagina-removals for leftists/Democrat voters currently identifying as female.

Posted by: Mickey Shwarma's Thought-Bubbles at June 29, 2015 11:15 AM (sCHw2)

104 As long as we are dreaming. Draft Jeff Sessions for president.

Posted by: Lowly Lurker at June 29, 2015 11:15 AM (FBjP7)

105 95 All laws must be tweetable
Posted by: Lostintx at June 29, 2015 11:13 AM (d20vC)

*Golf Clap*

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:16 AM (HalrA)

106 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 29, 2015 11:11 AM (kff5f)

Sunset it.

"No filibuster for 5 years, at the end of which this law will sunset and it will require 3/4 of the Senate to extend for another 5 years."

Why not? It's written in Obamacare that it requires 2/3 of the Senate to override IPAB, which is funded by the federal reserve and is thus "off budget". If the Dem's can write that ridiculousness in to law, why couldnt we?

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:16 AM (AkOaV)

107 Will most likely grow out of it.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:13 AM (AkOaV)


they won't let him/her...

Let me repeat that in another way just to ensure that no person reading this misses what's going on here. The parents of this prepubescent ten year old boy have found a doctor willing to work with them and are about to chemically alter his body to halt the onset of puberty.

this is straight up child abuse

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 29, 2015 11:16 AM (qCMvj)

108 Create two or four new Supreme Court seats.

What good will this do?

In the old days, we had 13 TV channels, and they were mostly crap.

Now, thanks to cable TV, we have 200+ channels, but guess what, they're still mostly crap.

Big improvement.

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 29, 2015 11:16 AM (AWijS)

109 As long as we are dreaming. Draft Jeff Sessions for president.

Aye. Judge Sessions is the only person keeping me from renouncing the Republicans in toto.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at June 29, 2015 11:16 AM (evdj2)

110 impeach the scotus!

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at June 29, 2015 11:16 AM (0O7c5)

111 All of us down at the Brattleboro Women's Reproductive Health Choice
Clinic think President Obama should arrest anyone that has a Rebel Flag because it is insulting to all persons of color around the world. it is disgraceful that this country was the only country in world history to endorse slavery of persons of color and Bush also never did anything to help victums. Bush lied about this because he is from TEX-ASS which does not care for persons of color. Brattleboro is proud to announce it is a feloney crime for anyone within the city limits to own, fly, or even talk about this racist symbol and the penalty will be a $500 fine and the proceeds will be sent to Presdent Obama to help persons of color, stop global warming, and protrect the children of Gay and Lesbian couples from bullies and others. Brattleboro is proud of our Presdent of Color ! Our You ?????



Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at June 29, 2015 11:16 AM (lNSdJ)

112 States can nullify unconstitutional federal laws AND court rulings. The
Founders themselves said that nullification was not just permissible,
but was a DUTY of the states!
***
Yes - its pretty clear when Jefferson and Madison specifically did it that it is an intended part of our system of government.

And the best part? The Supreme Court can't overrule you...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 29, 2015 11:17 AM (78TbK)

113 Withholding is what makes a tax revolt impossible.

It should disappear.

Posted by: lauren at June 29, 2015 11:17 AM (MYCIw)

114
the next Rep Prez must be a real political bastard
Posted by: naturalfake




I'm your huckleberry.

Posted by: Gov John "The Court has ruled" Kasich

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 29, 2015 11:17 AM (kdS6q)

115 Drew, to achieve any of that you would first have to get rid of Obama and the RNCe.


Either that or take it out of their hands with an Art V convention.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 11:17 AM (GpgJl)

116 "Why not? It's written in Obamacare that it requires 2/3 of the Senate to override IPAB, which is funded by the federal reserve and is thus "off budget". If the Dem's can write that ridiculousness in to law, why couldnt we?"

We could. But we won't. Because our "leaders" in Congress are playing for the other team.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at June 29, 2015 11:17 AM (YYJjz)

117 And now for something that's actually interesting...

The meeting with tv producers and George Barris to discuss building the Batmobile for the Batman tv show happened on August 20, 1965.

Proposal and sketches were submitted 5 days later, August 25.

Then the contract to build the Batmobile was signed 6 days later on September 1.

Batmoblie was delivered 41 days later on October 11th.

Crazy, huh?

Posted by: Dang at June 29, 2015 11:17 AM (2oWD2)

118 @109 Amen

Posted by: Lowly Lurker at June 29, 2015 11:17 AM (FBjP7)

119 The Rocky Horror SCOTUS decision is worse than the original Rocky Horror. Riff-Raff tells Frank-n-Furter, "It's all over. Your mission is a failure. Your lifestyle's too extreme" and then kills him. But the SCOTUS Rocky Horror tells us that Frank-n-Furter is normal and we're the ones who are crazy.

(The movie never tells us exactly what the aliens' mission was but if I know anything about aliens, it was to take over the world.)

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 29, 2015 11:17 AM (ptlFB)

120 @107

Sick....just sick.

Posted by: TickledPink at June 29, 2015 11:18 AM (RLFFI)

121 I ran a small business and I had to deliver tax money to the feds weekly. X number of days after every payroll.



Maybe the business was a little bigger than small.

Posted by: se pa moron at June 29, 2015 11:13 AM (xQX/f)


Just like a Sicilian protection racket.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 29, 2015 11:18 AM (TOk1P)

122
I dont agree with number 3. If we pack the courts what is going to stop the dems from packing them even more.
We create 2-4 more justices they create 19-99 more justices.
I also agree that Ballless Boehner and McCuckold McConnell will do nothing to piss the dems off. They are the best congressional leaders the dems ever had.

Posted by: retired military at June 29, 2015 11:18 AM (68tLz)

123 15-20% surcharge on Net Wealth?


Suck. My. Dick.

Posted by: Garrett at June 29, 2015 11:19 AM (o3+os)

124 >>Ending withholding..
This is a fucking conservative's wet dream that everyone talks about but would be an unmitigated disaster in year one.

Would be our very own Coward-Piven. y'all!
Bring down the IRS.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 29, 2015 11:19 AM (NOIQH)

125 Proposal and sketches were submitted 5 days later, August 25.

Then the contract to build the Batmobile was signed 6 days later on September 1.

Batmoblie was delivered 41 days later on October 11th.


Look, this would have gone so much better with four or five workign groups and someone dedicated to mapping it out on Microsoft Project.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 29, 2015 11:20 AM (659DL)

126 I did my part by sending in a change of registration from R to I yesterday. Some here will pull out the old, "oh, good, give up and let the Dems win," carp. To them, I say, doing the same thing and expecting a different result is what crazy means.

The GOPe, by caving on amnesty and the trade thing, and just laughing at conservatives the whole damned way, has shown us their true colors.

I say we collapse the GOP, and start again.

When the Dems run completely wild for a couple of years, then people will be ready for some REAL hope and change. At some point, normal people might learn what "civil disobedience" means.

Posted by: Agent J at June 29, 2015 11:20 AM (ueOgE)

127 If the Dem's can write that ridiculousness in to law, why couldnt we?
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:16 AM (AkOaV)

When you're playing Legislative Fizbin, nothing is too ridiculous.

2/5 of Democrat votes are ignored on days that end in y? Why the hell not?

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:20 AM (HalrA)

128 >>The parents of this prepubescent ten year old boy have found a doctor willing to work with them and are about to chemically alter his body to halt the onset of puberty.

They've been doing that for over 10 years. Heard about it on an NPR story re" young transsexuals in early 2000's.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 29, 2015 11:20 AM (NOIQH)

129 I don't think adding 3 or 4 new justices appointed by the RNC would do any good. Their track record there is not worth a damn.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 11:21 AM (GpgJl)

130 this is straight up child abuse
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 29, 2015 11:16 AM (qCMvj)

Oh, I would say so.

But just to confirm:

Letting your 10 year old play, unattended, in his backyard or neighborhood park = visit from CPS, written up for child neglect, and you're now "on the radar"

Pumping your 10 year old full of mind and body altering chemicals to permanently change their bodies and physiology in order to allow for a genital mutilation surgery later in life? No problem, and you get a TV special about how "brave" you are.

Strange.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:21 AM (AkOaV)

131 "How does it feel to be the counterculture?"

I'm starting to like it. Really--I think I'm done with feeling depressed about the loss of America. It's lost and I accept that. Now I can turn my focus to surviving the dissolution and helping to create its replacement.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at June 29, 2015 11:21 AM (YFw5T)

132 Shouldn't this be called Hobbesball - the game of all against all?

I'm sorry to say this post smells of desperation. Hey, we can't win at anything at all, so let's pretend. We'll just ignore that we have a vicious opponent that makes the Alien Queen look like a fuzzy teddy bear.

The only question in my mind is whether the Red Guards will fizzle out before they start loading dissidents into rainbow colored cattle cars.

Posted by: despair at June 29, 2015 11:21 AM (J6suc)

133 http://bit.ly/1LDVnVL

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 29, 2015 11:04 AM (qCMvj)

------------------------------------------------------

What a lucky girl to have such wonderful parents.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at June 29, 2015 11:21 AM (6qR/9)

134 "It's Time The Right Got In The Game."

They are in the game as the Washington Generals.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 29, 2015 11:21 AM (W5DcG)

135 There are four scenarios, each at least somewhat in play:

1. The game is rigged
2. Your opponent is blatantly cheating without penalty or consequence
3. The rulebook can be changed on a whim by the cheerleaders of one team
4. The referees can interpret the rules arbitrarily based on intent


This is a game that you cannot win. Either the rules need to be redefined, enforced from without, or you need to pull your team from the floor and not engage.


John Galt chose not to participate. While that may not be financially feasible for many, there are different degrees of 'going Galt'.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 29, 2015 11:21 AM (mvenn)

136 The GOPe is going to do nothing for you. Look to your state and to yourselves.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at June 29, 2015 11:21 AM (evdj2)

137 When the Dems run completely wild for a couple of years, then people will be ready for some REAL hope and change.

Counter Exhibit A: California

They don't want optimal policy outcomes, they want to retain power.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 29, 2015 11:21 AM (659DL)

138 >>>> Spoiler alert: We're not fans of this.

But of course. You're both lawyers, IIRC.

There's a lot of historical precedent for the path we're taking. Just not in the USA. Might be helpful to look at how tit all got weathered and resolved in those instances.

Posted by: Bigby's Gang Signs at June 29, 2015 11:21 AM (3ZtZW)

139 Would be our very own Coward-Piven. y'all!
Bring down the IRS.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 29, 2015 11:19 AM (NOIQH)

They've knocked out the pillars supporting our institutions.

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:21 AM (HalrA)

140 Female genital mutilation in Africa = crime against humanity

Female / male genital mutilation in America = bravery, tolerance, and understanding.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:21 AM (AkOaV)

141 These ideas are wrll and good, but what party is going to implement it.

I'm sad to say, but we should probably adopt Alinsky rules.

Personalize a target. Freeze it.
SCOTUS - pick one - say Kagan, Sotomayor, or Breyer. Dig up the dirt. Publish it virally. Palinize.
Rinse, repeat.
Punish GOP traitors. Pick Boehner. Palinize him.
If we want to be taken seriously we must be feared.

Posted by: @votermom at June 29, 2015 11:22 AM (cbfNE)

142 Could all of this backfire at some point in the future

It's cute how you think this country has enough of a future to worry about.

Posted by: Methos at June 29, 2015 11:22 AM (ZbV+0)

143 The only way to fix the court is the method I talked about over the past several months. Take ALL court appointments away from DC and give it to the States. One Supreme per State and all federal courts located in a State have judges appointed by that State.


That will also take an Art V convention.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 11:22 AM (GpgJl)

144 Here's another wet-dream proposal we all can fap to:

Pass a constitutional amendment that there can be only 100 laws on the books.

So before Bill #101 becomes law, the magistrates need to determine which one of the previous 100 laws needs to be repealed in order to meet the constitutional limit.

Fap, fap, fap...

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 29, 2015 11:22 AM (AWijS)

145 Proposal and sketches were submitted 5 days later, August 25.



Then the contract to build the Batmobile was signed 6 days later on September 1.



Batmoblie was delivered 41 days later on October 11th.



Look, this would have gone so much better with four or five workign
groups and someone dedicated to mapping it out on Microsoft Project.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)

Back in the day when companies couldn't afford to have too many cooks in the kitchen.

Posted by: Dang at June 29, 2015 11:23 AM (2oWD2)

146 Strange.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:21 AM (AkOaV)

No, not strange. EVIL.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:23 AM (HalrA)

147 3. The rulebook can be changed on a whim by the cheerleaders of one team

I'd like to hear more about these cheerleaders.

Posted by: typical disgusting Moron at June 29, 2015 11:23 AM (ZtFr+)

148 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 29, 2015 11:01 AM (kdS6q)

Cloture was only added to the Senate rules in 1917, at the urging of...Woodrow Wilson.

http://tinyurl.com/7kww

Why conservatives want to protect his legacy is beyond me.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 29, 2015 11:23 AM (FOqcZ)

149
Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at June 29, 2015 11:23 AM (q+zA9)

150 TEGWAR anybody?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 29, 2015 11:23 AM (mvenn)

151 I fully believe that government should only involved in the bare minimum. Keep the streets safe. Make sure the roadways and other infrastructure are up to code. Give kids a basic education. Keep the air and water supply non-lethal. And, that's pretty much it.

Sadly, the government has failed on all of these fronts. The absolute bare bones, basic stuff that they are responsible for, they have failed at. They have no business being responsible for anything else.

Posted by: TickledPink at June 29, 2015 11:24 AM (RLFFI)

152 To those of you that truly want limited government and more personal liberty ... I'd suggest you keep in mind that Republicans are just as much your enemy as Democrats.

Never forget that. Republicans are the one's that want you to shut up, go to work, and pay your taxes ... because the status quo still ain't bad.

Republicans are the abused wife that yells at the kids because the husband's a drunk and won't listen.

Republicans are the Mafioso charging you protection money.

Republicans are your personal enemy ... insisting you play along with the corrupt scheme just as much as the Democrats.

This includes their followers as well as their leaders. This includes some of your family and some of your friends. This includes many on this board.

Never lose sight of that. Act accordingly.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 29, 2015 11:24 AM (tFWWx)

153 As long as Boehner, McConnell and anybody close to them are in Congress you can forget anything which requires a set of balls and courage to do.

Remember- Boehner washed out of the military in Basic. He's a fucking wimp.

Unless you get a president who is willing to wield power as wildly as Obama did and use the government in a converse, but similarly political way, it will not happen.

Republicans play by "gentlemen's rules". Which means they get prison raped and say thank you. Then promise when they are in charge they won't hurt anybody with their purse.

You know, because they are "better than that" or some other statement of cowardice.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 29, 2015 11:24 AM (GGCsk)

154 Forgot to add, if we're gonna fight dirty, then we should fight dirty.

Posted by: @votermom at June 29, 2015 11:25 AM (cbfNE)

155 The score is Q to 12.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 29, 2015 11:25 AM (2Ojst)

156 This is a fucking conservative's wet dream that everyone talks about but would be an unmitigated disaster in year one.



Feature, not bug. Not being sarcastic.

Posted by: revolting peasant at June 29, 2015 11:25 AM (3AnGe)

157 No problem, and you get a TV special about how "brave" you are.


Munchausen by proxy. If the attention goes away, the parents and doctors stop doing it.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 29, 2015 11:25 AM (ZKzrr)

158 When the Dems run completely wild for a couple of years, then people will be ready for some REAL hope and change.

And what if the people LIKE it?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 29, 2015 11:25 AM (W5DcG)

159 I'd like to hear more about these cheerleaders.

Heh.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 29, 2015 11:25 AM (659DL)

160 "TEGWAR "


Okay, maybe I've forgotten something?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 29, 2015 11:25 AM (LA7Cm)

161 143 The only way to fix the court is the method I talked about over the past several months. Take ALL court appointments away from DC and give it to the States. One Supreme per State and all federal courts located in a State have judges appointed by that State.

That will also take an Art V convention.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 11:22 AM (GpgJl)

That's a good way to do it. Though circuit courts covering multiple states would need a justice per state that the circuit covers.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:25 AM (HalrA)

162 Article V Convention of States.

Why does Ace of Spades oppose it?

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I oppose it because there is little wrong with the constitution and nothing wrong with it that couldn't be fixed. The problem is a court that holds that words have no meaning.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 29, 2015 11:26 AM (Ueht0)

163
Cloture was only added to the Senate rules in 1917, at the urging of...Woodrow Wilson. Why conservatives want to protect his legacy is beyond me.
Posted by: DrewM.




Because if we don't, the Kaiser will be in the White House and all we'll have to eat is sauerkraut and pretzels.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 29, 2015 11:26 AM (kdS6q)

164
Like this will ever happen but all Federal laws sunset after 10 years.
The only permanent document is the Constitution.
Then people will have to vote to keep the law in place for another 10 years

Posted by: Yo! at June 29, 2015 11:26 AM (q+zA9)

165 There is no effective political opposition to the coup that has displaced our system of government. None. Opposition party is a fraud, rule of law and checks and balances are a thing of the past. The end game is happening so quickly, and everybody is in on it.

Elections don't matter anymore.

They are going to start rounding us up and killing us at some point. If it is even acknowledged at all, it will be presented as a public good -- dangerous criminals neutralized.

Posted by: Edgar Allan Schmoe at June 29, 2015 11:26 AM (/f6Nd)

166 That will also take an Art V convention.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 11:22 AM (GpgJl)

Really, though?

Re-read Article III. Unless it's somewhere else, I don't think the constitution ever really gets in to specifics on WHO appoints the judges, nor how many there should be.

Just a "Supreme court" and "inferior courts".

So why not say "okay, from now on, State legislatures get to pick."? I would think it would require just a simple majority in both houses.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:26 AM (AkOaV)

167 Let's make everybody supreme court justices!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 29, 2015 11:26 AM (77fFR)

168 These ideas are wrll and good, but what party is going to implement it.



I'm sad to say, but we should probably adopt Alinsky rules.



Personalize a target. Freeze it.

SCOTUS - pick one - say Kagan, Sotomayor, or Breyer. Dig up the dirt. Publish it virally. Palinize.

Rinse, repeat.

Punish GOP traitors. Pick Boehner. Palinize him.

If we want to be taken seriously we must be feared.



Posted by: @votermom at June 29, 2015 11:22 AM (cbfNE)


Yep. Everyone seems to take for granted that Boehner is corrupt. If he is, there's a paper trail. Where is it? Who has the dirt on him? Why isn't he being targeted for destruction?


Or maybe the question is: who is protecting him?

Posted by: BurtTC at June 29, 2015 11:26 AM (TOk1P)

169 Make election day the day after tax day.

If we're in a position to, nominate Miguel Estrada again and scream liberals are bigots for not supporting him.

Posted by: Mainah at June 29, 2015 11:26 AM (659DL)

170 And what if the people LIKE it?

Self government means nothing at all if it doesn't include the right to be wrong.

Cautionary examples have their own value.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at June 29, 2015 11:26 AM (evdj2)

171 Conservatives: Marquess of Queensbury
Progs: Folsom prison knife fighter

Posted by: Insomniac at June 29, 2015 11:27 AM (2Ojst)

172 Forgot to add, if we're gonna fight dirty, then we should fight dirty.

Posted by: @votermom at June 29, 2015 11:25 AM (cbfNE)


How cutie. You're assuming we have an opposition party willing to fight.

Posted by: wrg500 at June 29, 2015 11:27 AM (kQBSd)

173 Mos Eisley Convention.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2015 11:28 AM (CdIQH)

174 161 That's a good way to do it. Though circuit courts
covering multiple states would need a justice per state that the circuit
covers.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:25 AM (HalrA)

I don't think we have anymore circuit courts. We do have multistate appeals courts. Treat them the same the supremes are treated, 1 judge from each State covered.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 11:28 AM (GpgJl)

175 Kill all senate rules, go back to state legislatures appointing Senators, and we'd go a long way in solving a lot of problems.

Progressives fucked with our whole system in the first progressive era, and it REALLY fucked it up.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:28 AM (AkOaV)

176 I oppose it because there is little wrong with the constitution and nothing wrong with it that couldn't be fixed. The problem is a court that holds that words have no meaning.


So true. What good does it do to patch the walls in your house without stopping the guy shooting through them?

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at June 29, 2015 11:28 AM (evdj2)

177 I oppose it because there is little wrong with the constitution and nothing wrong with it that couldn't be fixed. The problem is a court that holds that words have no meaning.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 29, 2015 11:26 AM (Ueht0)

But reforming the court, fixing what's broken in Congress, and slapping the Imperial President upside the head with some new restrictions can't be done by any lesser means.

We tried sending a supermajority to Congress, and all they did was capitulate. No lesser means of achieving our aims that have any chance of working have been left untried. It's pretty much Article V or forever hold your peace and enjoy the decline and ruin.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:28 AM (HalrA)

178 The GOPe is going to do nothing for you. Look to your state and to yourselves.
Posted by: Grump928
****

Wish I could. McInsane wiped out all the Conservatives who voted to censure him here in AZ. He got them replaced with yes men so he can run again.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at June 29, 2015 11:29 AM (LWWrf)

179 Look how brave I am! *slits wienie down the middle, lays folded slice of American cheese in the slit, puts in oven for 15 minutes at 250 degrees*

Posted by: Dang at June 29, 2015 11:29 AM (2oWD2)

180 We're all Supreme Court Justices now.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2015 11:29 AM (CdIQH)

181 Or maybe the question is: who is protecting him?
Posted by: BurtTC at June 29, 2015 11:26 AM (TOk1P)

The other 434 corrupt pols in congress.

They're ALL corrupt. And the bureaucrats. And the lobbyists. And everyone else in, of, around, or even in the vicinity of DC and the spigot of federal dollars.

No one is going to blow the whistle too loud, since they all had their own corrupt shit going on, too.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:29 AM (AkOaV)

182 The GOP will do none of this because they aren't interested in "defending the Republic" or "protecting Liberty" or any other such trash.

They are interested in protecting their jobs and expanding their wealth and influence.

"Gentlemen may cry 'Peace, peace!', but there is no Peace."

Posted by: DriveBy at June 29, 2015 11:29 AM (C9Vc8)

183 "I have to say, I am FAR more concerned about terrorist threats than any BS about gay fucking marriage...

Why does the GOP always pick the wrong hill..?


Posted by: melodicmetal1 at June 29, 2015 11:10 AM (MV2jA)"

What the hell are you talking about? The GOPe hasn't EVER picked a hill.

Posted by: revolting peasant at June 29, 2015 11:29 AM (6QGuL)

184 Let's make everybody supreme court justices!

In one sense, every one of us who has taken an oath to Support and Defend the Constitution of the United States already is.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at June 29, 2015 11:29 AM (evdj2)

185 The problem with limiting government, is they'll still rig it so that we are paying the same amount in taxes, just getting less out of it.

So, I will still be paying 25%+ in taxes, but then in order to get my road repaired, I will have to contribute to some fundraiser.

Ugh.

Posted by: TickledPink at June 29, 2015 11:30 AM (RLFFI)

186
Mos Eisley Convention.
Posted by: Boss Moss




The Chair recognizes Sy Snootles....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 29, 2015 11:30 AM (kdS6q)

187 " The problem is a court that holds that words have no meaning."


So long as this is the case then amendments, laws don't really matter. They'll be enforced or followed will-nilly at the whim of the governing class as it fits them.

Like how perjury, destruction of evidence, failing to follow a legal order, and, extortion have no apparent legal impact when Hillary does it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 29, 2015 11:30 AM (LA7Cm)

188 When the Dems run completely wild for a couple of years, then people will be ready for some REAL hope and change. At some point, normal people might learn what "civil disobedience" means.

Posted by: Agent J at June 29, 2015 11:20 AM (ueOgE)



Yeah, no.

Please show anywhere in history where allowing the Left to run wild and consolidate power has led to return of a responsible, Constitution-following, Democratically elected Representative Republic.

Sixteen years of Obama + Hillary! flooding the borders with illegals, destroying reliable energy production, destroying freedoms, punishing political opposition, etc, etc, etc all with the cheerleading and approval of the MSM and educational establishment teaching socialism and reality-denying nonsense is going to lead to a sudden turnaround how?

Your idea is profoundly stupid and has zero basis in reality and human nature.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 29, 2015 11:31 AM (KUa85)

189 >>> Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at June 29, 2015 11:16 AM (lNSdJ)



No, NO, dear, you need to SHOOT these folks in the streets. Have you started doing that?

Posted by: Joey Stalin, Dictator Extraordinaire at June 29, 2015 11:31 AM (sCHw2)

190
So what!

I really like softball

Posted by: ELana Kagen at June 29, 2015 11:31 AM (q+zA9)

191 How cutie. You're assuming we have an opposition party willing to fight.
Posted by: wrg500 at June 29, 2015 11:27 AM (kQBSd)

--

The things I suggested in 141 are things conservative activists can do to whip the stupid gop into shape as well as attack the left.

Posted by: @votermom at June 29, 2015 11:31 AM (cbfNE)

192 Ending withholding.. Name me one person who has the financial fortitude
to put that tax money away every week in order to write the big check
at the end of the year.



This is a fucking conservative's wet dream that everyone talks about but would be an unmitigated disaster in year one.


At the end of one year, no one pays any taxes and the government collapses?

That isn't a disaster, that's a solution.

Posted by: Methos at June 29, 2015 11:32 AM (ZbV+0)

193 "Justice Charles C.W. Cooke has a nice ring to it, no?"



After his first paragraph in this article: http://tinyurl.com/oxk8lba and his support of sending the Confederate flag down a memory hole that would be a big hell no.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 29, 2015 11:32 AM (OrI3J)

194 So, I will still be paying 25%+ in taxes, but then in order to get my road repaired, I will have to contribute to some fundraiser.

Ugh.
Posted by: TickledPink at June 29, 2015 11:30 AM (RLFFI)

Fine. We're "underpaying" our federal taxes by 20-40% every year (depending on the year).

As in, we're spending so much more than we're taking it, that no matter what we do, we cannot decrease the revenue going to DC for DECADES just to pay off the last 10-15 years of spending.

So I can't complain too much about "sorry, we have to lay off everyone and end all services but can't reduce taxes for a generation" because that's what my parents and grandparents generations voted for for the last 60 years, because I guess they're all assholes and don't care about us.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:33 AM (AkOaV)

195 Art II

he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent
of the Senate, shall appoint ... Judges of the supreme Court, and all
other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein
otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law...




Art III


The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme
Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time
ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior
Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behavior, and shall, at
stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation which shall not
be diminished during their Continuance in Office.



That is why it would take an Art V

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 11:33 AM (GpgJl)

196 Why can't we pay our Tax Debts like Greece or Puerto Rico, when we feel like it?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2015 11:33 AM (CdIQH)

197 The Right mostly wants to be left alone to live in harmony with our own little platoons. Alas, the private life is dead in the USSA. Take a moment to consider how your every action and accommodation either adds or subtracts from the cause of Liberty and Law.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at June 29, 2015 11:34 AM (evdj2)

198 The other 434 corrupt pols in congress.



They're ALL corrupt. And the bureaucrats. And the lobbyists. And
everyone else in, of, around, or even in the vicinity of DC and the
spigot of federal dollars.



No one is going to blow the whistle too loud, since they all had their own corrupt shit going on, too.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:29 AM (AkOaV)


Right, and as we recall, when the Republicans voted to impeach Bubba, suddenly the peccadilloes of several Republican congresscritters got released to the public. So the information is out there.


I just wonder how much it would take to get access to that info. Maybe we could Gofundme a "Get Boehner" campaign?

Posted by: BurtTC at June 29, 2015 11:34 AM (TOk1P)

199 >>"Justice Charles C.W. Cooke has a nice ring to it, no?"

No

Posted by: Lizzy at June 29, 2015 11:34 AM (NOIQH)

200 But reforming the court, fixing what's broken in Congress, and slapping the Imperial President upside the head with some new restrictions can't be done by any lesser means.

-
What's it going to say? The president has to obey the law and this time we really, really mean it?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 29, 2015 11:34 AM (48o4Q)

201 time to watch riots in Greece?

Posted by: Yo! at June 29, 2015 11:34 AM (q+zA9)

202 "I have to say, I am FAR more concerned about terrorist threats than any BS about gay fucking marriage...

---

Problem is: that's not the argument anymore. It's now a fight to see if a person is allowed to publicly state that the anus is not a sex organ without having his home and savings taken away and being thrown into prison.

And some of us saw this as a predictable outcome. THAT'S why we fought "gay fucking marriage."

Posted by: RKae at June 29, 2015 11:35 AM (1RqFl)

203 Justice Charles C.W. Cooke has a nice ring to it, no?

My bathtub has a better ring than that.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 29, 2015 11:35 AM (oVJmc)

204 Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 11:33 AM (GpgJl)

Oh, oops. Forgot about Art II.

You're right.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:35 AM (AkOaV)

205 @137 and 158
The blue places get away with being nuts because the red places keep the system working. When the liberals are unfettered, they'll break the system, and experience the results.

The GOPe, at best, is merely slowing that collapse, but they've done nothing in, what, nearly 30 years to reverse it. You're still dead at the end of a slow-motion train wreck. Time for something different.

Yes, it will be nasty and ugly.

Posted by: Agent J at June 29, 2015 11:35 AM (ueOgE)

206 Fiddle-farting around with the levers of government is a waste of time and energy, for those amongst us who are simply waiting for the violence to start. Nothing less will make them Enemy-Americans back off. It's too late to play games.

Posted by: Monty James at June 29, 2015 11:35 AM (CKnpr)

207 How to raise money to pay off national debt.
I have many ideas, mostly involving PPV cage fights betwen various agency heads.

Posted by: @votermom at June 29, 2015 11:35 AM (cbfNE)

208 "I'd support a 15 or 20% surcharge on the net worth of the top 1% to sweeten the pot."

Maybe it should be 100%. No, wait - 200%. That'll teach 'em to be successful in America.

Great plan. While we're at it, we can adopt the full text of the Communist Party USA s platform ... just to sweeten the pot.

Posted by: sauropod at June 29, 2015 11:35 AM (G/vW6)

209 111 "All of us down at the Brattleboro Women's Reproductive Health Choice
Clinic think President Obama should arrest anyone that has a Rebel Flag because it is insulting to all persons of color around the world."

Mary, where have you been? I was worried that the two escaped murderers had a sexual encounter with you in a 1973 Bernie Sanders kind of way!

I wasn't worried about you. I was worried about them and the years of therapy they would need after seeing your lady parts.

Thank Gaia they either died or were sent back to prison.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 29, 2015 11:35 AM (NjiZL)

210 Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at June 29, 2015 11:16 AM

I give it a 5 1/2. Way too coherent. Needs moar crazee spelling.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 29, 2015 11:35 AM (h4vJk)

211 The things I suggested in 141 are things conservative activists can do to whip the stupid gop into shape as well as attack the left.
Posted by: @votermom at June 29, 2015 11:31 AM (cbfNE)

It can not be reformed, it must be destroyed. Pour l'encourager les autres and all that.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:36 AM (HalrA)

212 BTW, the IRS harassment continues. One of my doctors was in the paper recently identified as a local Teaparty leader. The IRS decided to change the address of his office to someplace that is not his office. They refused to correct it. They are now hitting him with fines and penalties for not filing taxes from this nonexistent office. He's already spent several hundred dollars of accountant time trying to fix this.

Posted by: despair at June 29, 2015 11:36 AM (J6suc)

213 Maybe we could Gofundme a "Get Boehner" campaign?
Posted by: BurtTC at June 29, 2015 11:34 AM (TOk1P)

Why? Boehners just a small cog in the machine. You can replace him with a not-Boehner and it would make no difference.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:36 AM (AkOaV)

214 I'm sad to say, but we should probably adopt Alinsky rules.


Personalize a target. Freeze it.


SCOTUS - pick one - say Kagan, Sotomayor, or Breyer. Dig up the dirt. Publish it virally. Palinize.


Rinse, repeat.


Punish GOP traitors. Pick Boehner. Palinize him.


If we want to be taken seriously we must be feared.



Posted by: @votermom at June 29, 2015 11:22 AM (cbfNE)



As evidenced by Hillary Clinton, this only works on people who are capable of feeling shame and on voters who actually care that the politicians they vote for are not scum.

Neither of these conditions are met by the people you listed.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 29, 2015 11:37 AM (OrI3J)

215 While we're at it, we can adopt the full text of the Communist Party USA s platform "

Already been done.

Posted by: Khalid el Browncowski at June 29, 2015 11:37 AM (zGQ5T)

216 Time for something different.

Posted by: Agent J at June 29, 2015 11:35 AM (ueOgE)

Vote for any reasonable third party on your ballots. Get all of your friends to do so. We can't win the game we've been playing. Change the game.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:37 AM (HalrA)

217 How were the elements of the coup put in place?

To what extent was it centrally directed?

To what extent do the people who made it happen understand the nature of the monster they have created?

Posted by: Edgar Allan Schmoe at June 29, 2015 11:38 AM (f0Bnt)

218 What dirt on anybody is really enough to get them, now?

Posted by: Agent J at June 29, 2015 11:38 AM (ueOgE)

219 We might as well nuke Greece and make them an example.

Show of hands good enough to get this started?

Posted by: Dang at June 29, 2015 11:39 AM (2oWD2)

220 What dirt on anybody is really enough to get them, now?

Posted by: Agent J

----

This has always been the problem. Dirt that is used to destroy a right-wing politician is a badge of honor for a left-wing one.

Posted by: RKae at June 29, 2015 11:39 AM (1RqFl)

221 What dirt on anybody is really enough to get them, now?

Contributing to Proposition 8, owning a Confederate Battle Flag.

The only crimes now are failures to follow leftist dogma.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 29, 2015 11:40 AM (oVJmc)

222 As evidenced by Hillary Clinton, this only works on people who are capable of feeling shame and on voters who actually care that the politicians they vote for are not scum.

--

It is working on Hillary. Why do you think Bernie Sanders is drawing large crowds?

Posted by: @votermom at June 29, 2015 11:40 AM (cbfNE)

223
Justice Charles C.W. Cooke has a nice ring to it, no?




Monty Python: High Court Judges (Live at the Hollywood Bowl)

https://youtu.be/Q80ElML7KGk

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 29, 2015 11:40 AM (kdS6q)

224 Why? Boehners just a small cog in the machine. You can replace him with a not-Boehner and it would make no difference.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:36 AM (AkOaV)


Because Boehner is the leader of the Republican Party. Plain and simple. He's it.


He's a drunk, with no backbone, no underlying principles, and no coherent strategy to govern/operate as the opposition leader.

He needs to be taken down. Period. Then when the next guy steps up, we decide whether to take him down or not as well. Eventually you get somebody in there who has a purpose besides getting drunk and screwing everyone else over.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 29, 2015 11:41 AM (TOk1P)

225 I suggest a massive amount of coordinated civil disobedience.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 29, 2015 11:41 AM (vJki2)

226 Maybe it should be 100%. No, wait - 200%. That'll teach 'em to be successful in America.

Great plan. While we're at it, we can adopt the full text of the Communist Party USA s platform ... just to sweeten the pot.
Posted by: sauropod at June 29, 2015 11:35 AM (G/vW6)

The idea being that the "1%" (if you will) plays us all for chumps constantly. We defend them against massive tax increases, then they lobby and donate to R's to get them to follow their agendas -- which are often 100% at odds with ours.

So fuck 'em. Why give them political cover? Oh, Warren Buffet, you want to pay a higher tax rate than your secretary? Okay, we'll oblige.

Eric Schmidt and everyone in Silicone Valley? You want to donate millions to and elect big time socialists? Okay, well, here's your new tax bill to pay for the big government you wanted so badly.

Ooooh, oh, you just wanted to be crony capitalists and figured we dumb hicks would vote against raising your taxes, so you werent too worried about electing socialists?

Well too fuckin bad.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:41 AM (AkOaV)

227 >>>> Why does Ace of Spades oppose it?

I oppose it because its being presented falsely and solves no issues, in point of fact it makes legal and Constitutional nearly every problem we purportedly seek to solve.

And hey, didja know the AoC had a provision even more stringent than Article V? Yep, indeed - Article XIII mandated that ALL of the 13 States had to ratify any changes. The first thing they did in Philadelphia when they convened was to *abandon* the set of tasks given them by their States in favor of "The Virginia Plan" and the second was to change the rules for ratifying any changes being considered.

But I do agree that the idea is very popular and sells a lot of books.

Posted by: Bigby's Gang Signs at June 29, 2015 11:42 AM (3ZtZW)

228 What dirt on anybody is really enough to get them, now?

--

Well, there was Carlos Danger, Huma's hubby.

Posted by: @votermom at June 29, 2015 11:42 AM (cbfNE)

229 The blue places get away with being nuts because the red places keep the system working.

The blue people claim that they support the red people.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 29, 2015 11:42 AM (W5DcG)

230 One point that stands out for me:
"Again, there's nothing sacred about the way we collect our taxes. If
people want big, crushing government, fine. Make them feel it and let
them see how much it costs them."

I think one of the only ways to fix this country is to make people feel the pain. Real pain - in their purse, in their lives. Not enough people are feeling the pain of a government out of control yet.

Making them write out a check would be a good start. A prelude to that - when John Mary Q. Taxpayer get their tax bill - itemize the costs.

Obamacare: $#,###
Medicare/Medicaid $#,###
Social Security $#,###
Defense $#,###
and on, and on.

Can you say austerity in 3, 2, 1......

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at June 29, 2015 11:42 AM (DlmoZ)

231 DrewM, it's too late for all these common-sense ideas. It's all going to be destroyed. Some of it may be saved, but not much. My first choice? The Return Of Christ. My second choice? SMOD.

Posted by: Eromero at June 29, 2015 11:42 AM (go5uR)

232 "McConnell will retreat even further into a shell..."

I see what you did there.

Posted by: benjamin at June 29, 2015 11:42 AM (8N+Hl)

233 We might as well nuke Greece and make them an example.

Show of hands good enough to get this started?

It's already a country of ruins. What difference would it make?

Posted by: wrg500 at June 29, 2015 11:43 AM (kQBSd)

234 Eventually you get somebody in there who has a purpose besides getting drunk and screwing everyone else over.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 29, 2015 11:41 AM (TOk1P)

seems unlikely.

Unless you elect a speaker of the House from outside of DC.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:43 AM (AkOaV)

235 I love the notion of ending withholding. Make everyone write a check to the Feds every month. Kinda like paying a mortgage, yes?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 29, 2015 11:43 AM (oKE6c)

236 231

I'm 3/4 of the way into the "Burn it all, scatter the stones, salt the earth" camp. Hanging on by a thread.
To my point above - not enough people feel the pain yet.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at June 29, 2015 11:44 AM (DlmoZ)

237 The only crimes now are failures to follow leftist dogma.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 29, 2015 11:40 AM (oVJmc)

Insufficient zeal is also grounds for punishment, and innocence is no defense.

Posted by: The Leftist Inquisition at June 29, 2015 11:44 AM (HalrA)

238 Oh, and make all welfare recipients pay too. Gross up welfare payments a bit, then tax them write back down to where they are now. Make the recipients pay back the difference.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 29, 2015 11:44 AM (oKE6c)

239 What dirt on anybody is really enough to get them, now?

Contributing to Proposition 8, owning a Confederate Battle Flag.

The only crimes now are failures to follow leftist dogma.


Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 29, 2015 11:40 AM (oVJmc)


All the hypocrite "sins" are still out there. If he's gay, if he hires an illegal maid, makes money and dodges taxes, etc.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 29, 2015 11:44 AM (TOk1P)

240 Why do you think Bernie Sanders is drawing large crowds?

They think he's Matlock.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 29, 2015 11:44 AM (659DL)

241 1. Fire all leftists from your businesses.
2. Refuse to spend money voluntarily with Leftist vendors. Look for alternatives for everything possible. (you will spend some money with them, just do all possible to reduce their income)
3. Shun family members who are insane/leftist.
4. Drop all leftist friends - they are your enemies and can never be relied on. You know this already, just accept it and cut them off.
5. If you see a Leftist/Democrat commit a tiny crime, call the police immediately. Report them, be a snitch at all times. They take home office supplied? Get them fired. They park in the handicap zone? Photograph their licence plates and vehicle and call the cops.

Be petty. Be mean. Be separate. Eventually they'll punch you. Get them imprisoned.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at June 29, 2015 11:45 AM (ukTrJ)

242 Article V convention? Too late. The Constitution as a whole means nothing anymore. DC would not recognize it now. This should have been done back in Bubba's terms.

Posted by: Soona at June 29, 2015 11:45 AM (P25Hh)

243 Some very good ideas. But as you said, only if GOP wakes up. The logical fault though is that they do play the game, just not on our side. It isn't party vs. party, it's government vs. the Constitution and the citizens that stand by it.

Posted by: dogfish at June 29, 2015 11:45 AM (jWtyG)

244 Sidebar Daily Express BS. They are satellites.

Posted by: Dang at June 29, 2015 11:45 AM (2oWD2)

245 225 I suggest a massive amount of coordinated civil disobedience.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 29, 2015 11:41 AM (vJki2)

Do we have to be civil? I'm tired of being civil, I want to be the same level of asshole that they've been to us all of these years.

Posted by: The Leftist Inquisition at June 29, 2015 11:45 AM (HalrA)

246 Tax Welfare and Foodstamps 110%.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2015 11:45 AM (CdIQH)

247 Gee. Pack the court and steal my money. Nuclear stupidity.

Posted by: Dan in Michigan at June 29, 2015 11:45 AM (2yD4G)

248 I am also in favor of ending withholding.
The way to sell it to the LIVs would be, you could pay the taxes quarterly, meanwhile investing it in stocks! Hehehe.

Posted by: @votermom at June 29, 2015 11:45 AM (cbfNE)

249 Justice Charles C.W. Cooke has a nice ring to it, no?

No.

Justice Boy sounds much better.

At least I can read and understand the written word and its meaning, unlike the current creatures infesting SCOTUS.

Hell, nine Random Morons would be better than what we have today.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 29, 2015 11:46 AM (eEb+d)

250 Puerto Rico's governor, saying he needs to pull the island out of a "death spiral," has concluded that the commonwealth cannot pay its roughly $72 billion in debts

Puerto Rico's debt works out to $20,500 per capita.

USA's debt works out to $55,000 per capita.

Hmmm.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 29, 2015 11:46 AM (O7MnT)

251 Posted by: The Leftist Inquisition at June 29, 2015 11:45 AM (HalrA)

Off, Inquisitorial sock. The sanctimony and arbitrary judgments will have their time later.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:46 AM (HalrA)

252 Gots to go drive around.

Back later

Posted by: Bigby's Gang Signs at June 29, 2015 11:46 AM (3ZtZW)

253 RE: Ending withholding. Yup. Yup yup yup. Once upon a time, I received a very significant bonus. I told my parents the gross amount and then when it came through I told them the net amount and Mommy flipped out because where was the rest of it and I was all ummm taxes. This is what happens when they all come out at once. Feel. The. Pain. Make every person write that check.

AtC, the first time I got a bigish bonus (at 22 or so) I was shocked! at the taxes that came out. I guess if I'd thought it through I would have realized it, since I have a business degree and took finance and all that jazz. But it doesn't really kick in until you look at that pay stub.

Posted by: Lea - I don't want to have to fight you but I damn sure will at June 29, 2015 11:46 AM (lIU4e)

254 Eric Schmidt and everyone in Silicone Valley?

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:41 AM (AkOaV)


Isn't that the San Fernando Valley? /kidding
Silicon != silicone

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 29, 2015 11:47 AM (oKE6c)

255 What dirt on anybody is really enough to get them, now?



--



Well, there was Carlos Danger, Huma's hubby.

Posted by: @votermom at June 29, 2015 11:42 AM (cbfNE)


No doubt some of these clowns are twitter fiends. Others though, you're going to have to find an old fashioned paper trail. Or at least email. That's how they got Petreus.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 29, 2015 11:47 AM (TOk1P)

256 The blue people claim that they support the red people.

They should encourage us to withdraw and quit leeching off them.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at June 29, 2015 11:47 AM (evdj2)

257 Good call with Heart of the Sunrise in the morning post. Perfect sendoff for Chris.

Posted by: Libertatis_Cunabula at June 29, 2015 11:47 AM (vF9bi)

258 @ 243 "Some very good ideas. But as you said, only if GOP wakes up."

The GOP is toast. I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.

I got a call this weekend from one of the RNC pollsters/fundraisers. Without shooting the messenger, I gave her an earful and said they get absolutely no more money from me. She actually thanked me saying I was one of her best callers that day.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at June 29, 2015 11:47 AM (DlmoZ)

259 Be petty. Be mean. Be separate. Eventually they'll punch you. Get them imprisoned.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at June 29, 2015 11:45 AM (ukTrJ)

And for the love of God, stop going along to get along.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:47 AM (HalrA)

260 Ooooh, oh, you just wanted to be crony capitalists and figured we dumb hicks would vote against raising your taxes, so you werent too worried about electing socialists?

Well too fuckin bad.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:41 AM (AkOaV)

This is what I was trying to say when I said "big business has switched sides." Business interests in the United States have clearly now cast their lot with the Left.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at June 29, 2015 11:47 AM (YFw5T)

261 Why would you want the people who would feel the pain the most to feel the pain?

The people for which it would really hurt their pockets is...for the most part, on our side.

Unless you think we are gonna invoice all the unemployed, undocumented, and under-the-table workers....which won't happen, I doubt it will do a bit of good.

All it will do is be a punch to the gut of people like you and me.

Posted by: TickledPink at June 29, 2015 11:48 AM (RLFFI)

262 Puerto Rico's debt works out to $20,500 per capita.

USA's debt works out to $55,000 per capita.

Hmmm.




Apparently our collateral is better.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at June 29, 2015 11:48 AM (evdj2)

263 >>Again, there's nothing sacred about the way we collect our taxes. If people want big, crushing government, fine. Make them feel it and let them see how much it costs them.
I think hiking taxes is bad policy and economics but it can be good politics, so if as a sop to independents and even Democrats I'd support a 15 or 20% surcharge on the net worth of the top 1% to sweeten the pot. The "donor class" has been spending lots of money pushing big government types. Fine, pony up even more.<<

This, more than anything. It's amazing to see the top 10% vote Obama, even the top 1%. Not to mention the donations to Hillary! and the DNC.
Why areconservatives carrying water for the rich and upper middle class when it comes to taxes?
It's like the rich want to have their cake and eat it too, and not have to fight for it either.
Screw them. They want Democrats without higher taxes? Not anymore. Give them the government they voted for.

Posted by: MacGruber at June 29, 2015 11:48 AM (sWgE+)

264 246 Tax Welfare and Foodstamps 110%.
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2015 11:45 AM (CdIQH)

No, but tax it as income.

And then use their post-welfare income as the "income" from which any other welfare programs are judged.

So if you get $45,000 in welfare, you're no longer poor and no longer qualify for any additional programs, and may get kicked off the programs you are in.

Make it an absolute nightmare for people to collect massive amounts of welfare. Because right now there are so many programs and so much money floating around that no one knows who is getting what, and its not taxed or counted as income.

So someone making $20,000 a year and bringing in $50,000 in welfare benefits (for a total of $70k) a year is considered "poor" and gets a net benefit on April 15th, while her neighbor who makes $40,000 a year with no welfare benefits is considered "middle class" and has taxes withheld from his paycheck every month, and most likely owes money on April 15th.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:48 AM (AkOaV)

265
None of these are gonna happen with the current R's.So first thing to do is fix that.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 29, 2015 11:48 AM (/6AND)

266 They are going to start rounding us up and killing us at some point. If
it is even acknowledged at all, it will be presented as a public good --
dangerous criminals neutralized.


I keep hoping people will wake up before they're on the boxcars. God inspired the second amendment (and is keeping it largely protected even now) for a reason. *We* are the people He put here to defend us.

Posted by: Methos at June 29, 2015 11:48 AM (ZbV+0)

267 Apparently our collateral is better.
Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at June 29, 2015 11:48 AM (evdj2)

Isn't Puerto Rico part of our collateral? I mean, it's a territory, not a State...

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:49 AM (HalrA)

268 I forgot where I read it, but a quicker and easier way to balance this shit out is by consevrative courts finding new rights for people like liberals do. Example: it's is unconstitutional that person 1 pays 30% tax rate while person 2 pays a 10% tax rate. It is a basic human right to have cheap energy and it is unconstitutional that we have a ban on drilling for oil.

And so on.....

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 29, 2015 11:49 AM (0LHZx)

269 Sorry, dude. Representative government is deader than Elvis, and the rule of law is on terminal end of life hospice care.

We are one really good crisis away from armed mobs in the streets. Not rock-throwing Ferguson looters, reasonable sized packs of folk with rifles. And once the shooting starts, it is a real fast slide until some once peacefully integrated areas turn into Bosnia. And it won't just be ethnic cleansing. Political. "You have the wrong bumper stickers. Get the fuck out. Leave your shit. Oh, maybe leave that cute wife or daughter for our party in what used to be your house and is being redistributed for the greater good."

You guys really think elections are fair or the news is honest? You think they will really let an honest conservative hold power again? Their masks are coming off. It's going to get a lot worse and fast.

Posted by: SGT Dan's Cats at June 29, 2015 11:49 AM (EUWQM)

270 Well, there was Carlos Danger, Huma's hubby.
Posted by: @votermom at June 29, 2015 11:42 AM (cbfNE)


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And you can bet the leftists will never let anything like this happen again.

Posted by: Soona at June 29, 2015 11:49 AM (P25Hh)

271 >>Apparently our collateral is better.
Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at June 29, 2015 11:48 AM (evdj2) <<

If you mean we have our own printing press and Puerto Rico doesn't, then I agree.

Posted by: MacGruber at June 29, 2015 11:49 AM (sWgE+)

272 I agree with all of these recommendations, especially eliminating the filibuster.

Right now, we're going to have to take some risks if we want to change the country.

I have never seen the filibuster stop Democrats on a single issue.

Posted by: McAdams at June 29, 2015 11:49 AM (4b2BH)

273 Let's assume we all woke up one morning and everything that is wrong now were somehow magically fixed.

How long do you think it would take the GOP to fuck everything up again?

Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2015 11:49 AM (6xtq3)

274 167: " Let's make everybody supreme court justices!"

Sam Colt actually did that already...

Posted by: Azenogoth at June 29, 2015 11:49 AM (z/vX9)

275 261
Why would you want the people who would feel the pain the most to feel the pain?

The people for which it would really hurt their pockets is...for the most part, on our side.

On our side? Seriously? From which planet do you live? The ones who need the wake up call are the ones leaching from society.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at June 29, 2015 11:50 AM (DlmoZ)

276 Isn't that the San Fernando Valley? /kidding
Silicon != silicone
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 29, 2015 11:47 AM (oKE6c)

According to my auto correct, it does.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:50 AM (AkOaV)

277 None of these are gonna happen with the current R's.So first thing to do is fix that.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 29, 2015 11:48 AM (/6AND)


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Too late.

Posted by: Soona at June 29, 2015 11:51 AM (P25Hh)

278 No, but tax it as income.



And then use their post-welfare income as the "income" from which any other welfare programs are judged.



So if you get $45,000 in welfare, you're no longer poor and no
longer qualify for any additional programs, and may get kicked off the
programs you are in.



Make it an absolute nightmare for people to collect massive amounts
of welfare. Because right now there are so many programs and so much
money floating around that no one knows who is getting what, and its not
taxed or counted as income.



Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:48 AM (AkOaV)




Great idea. Any other emolument is considered income, why not welfare?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 29, 2015 11:51 AM (oKE6c)

279 All this "make people write a check to the government" stuff is a non-starter.

This is the computer age. No one writes a check for anything. They'd just set up an automatic bill-payer, so it just takes care of itself.

Sorry. Science screws us again.

Posted by: RKae at June 29, 2015 11:51 AM (1RqFl)

280 268 I forgot where I read it, but a quicker and easier way to balance this shit out is by consevrative courts finding new rights for people like liberals do. Example: it's is unconstitutional that person 1 pays 30% tax rate while person 2 pays a 10% tax rate. It is a basic human right to have cheap energy and it is unconstitutional that we have a ban on drilling for oil.

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I like it.

Posted by: @votermom at June 29, 2015 11:51 AM (cbfNE)

281 Well as long as we are requesting reforms that likely have no chance of passing, let me add my own:

- Get rid of the 9th circuit. In fact get rid of a lot of circuits. To show the judiciary who is really in charge.

- Start impeaching people. Same reason as above.

- Defend all rogue agencies (redundant?).

Posted by: SH at June 29, 2015 11:52 AM (gmeXX)

282
How long do you think it would take the GOP to fuck everything up again?

Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2015 11:49 AM (6xtq3)


96 hours.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 29, 2015 11:52 AM (fwARV)

283 According to my auto correct, it does.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:50 AM (AkOaV)

Your auto correct spends too much time cruising big boobies sites!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 29, 2015 11:52 AM (oKE6c)

284 Getting rid of witholding, while a good idea in general, won't do much politically. 50% pay no taxes. They'd have no check to send in every quarter. Of the other 50% that does throw in a dollar or two, 1/2 of that group would be writing a check for a few hundred dollars. The truth about income taxes is that a very small group of people pay a shit ton of taxes while the vast majority pays little no taxes.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 29, 2015 11:52 AM (0LHZx)

285 And so on.....
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 29, 2015 11:49 AM (0LHZx)

I think someone should -- in light of the recent SCOTUS decision about "disparate impact" in housing -- sue on the theory that income taxes have a disparate impact on white men.

Don't think it'll go anywhere, but I'd love to see the left explain away that one (they will, but it will be funny to watch)

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:52 AM (AkOaV)

286 Make it an absolute nightmare for people to collect massive amounts
of welfare.

---

Look how much trouble we get in when we demand a driver's license to vote!

RAAAAACISM!

Posted by: RKae at June 29, 2015 11:52 AM (1RqFl)

287 Hell, nine Random Morons would be better than what we have today.

Do we have to wear pants under the robe?

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 29, 2015 11:52 AM (ZKzrr)

288 Return the loyalty oath to government employees.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 29, 2015 11:52 AM (oKE6c)

289 250 Puerto Rico's governor, saying he needs to pull the island out of a "death spiral," has concluded that the commonwealth cannot pay its roughly $72 billion in debts

How the hell did PR rack up a $72 billion debt? That's a lot of hookers and blow.

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 29, 2015 11:53 AM (AWijS)

290 I have never seen the filibuster stop Democrats on a single issue.
Posted by: McAdams at June 29, 2015 11:49 AM (4b2BH)

_______

Gun control. Without the filibuster a whole ton of anti-gun bills would have easily passed post Newtown.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 29, 2015 11:53 AM (0LHZx)

291 How long do you think it would take the GOP to fuck everything up again?

One breath

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at June 29, 2015 11:53 AM (DlmoZ)

292 Example: it's is unconstitutional that person 1 pays 30% tax rate while person 2 pays a 10% tax rate.

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Its basically a 14th A equal rights violation.

Posted by: SH at June 29, 2015 11:53 AM (gmeXX)

293 Do we have to wear pants under the robe?

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 29, 2015 11:52 AM (ZKzrr)


For you, Radish, absolutely not.

Though you know the rules.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 29, 2015 11:53 AM (fwARV)

294 For me, the eliminate withholding had the benefit of being in-your-face about how much government costs, sure...

But for me the selling point is that it's a nice way to starve the beast. Not everyone is going to write that fat check every year (or quarter, or whatever). So win.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 29, 2015 11:53 AM (eytER)

295 They'd just set up an automatic bill-payer, so it just takes care of itself.


Presumably they'd get a text about their overdraft.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 29, 2015 11:53 AM (ZKzrr)

296 Do we have to wear pants under the robe?

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier

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Hey! What ever happened to the penis-pump judge?

Posted by: RKae at June 29, 2015 11:54 AM (1RqFl)

297 >>Do we have to wear pants under the robe?
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 29, 2015 11:52 AM (ZKzrr) <<

No, you don't.
Trust me.

Posted by: Ruth Bader Ginsberg at June 29, 2015 11:54 AM (sWgE+)

298 287 Hell, nine Random Morons would be better than what we have today.

Do we have to wear pants under the robe?

--

Justified already settled that question.

Posted by: @votermom at June 29, 2015 11:54 AM (cbfNE)

299 268 I forgot where I read it, but a quicker and easier way to balance
this shit out is by consevrative courts finding new rights for people
like liberals do. Example: it's is unconstitutional that person 1 pays
30% tax rate while person 2 pays a 10% tax rate. It is a basic human
right to have cheap energy and it is unconstitutional that we have a ban
on drilling for oil.




How about a "disparate impact" suit regarding income taxes?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 29, 2015 11:54 AM (oKE6c)

300 Who loaned Puerto Rico $72 Billion?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2015 11:54 AM (CdIQH)

301 But hey...Go GOP, right?

Calling a behavior enabling is an opinion.
Aiding and abetting is a legal doctrine.

Posted by: DaveA at June 29, 2015 11:55 AM (DL2i+)

302 One BIG mistake the conservative movement made was not promoting ACTIVIST conservative judges.

We've been fighting with one hand behind our back.

I would love it if we lived in an age where we had a Judiciary that knew its proper role, but that ended with the Warren Court nearly 60 years ago.

We either play by the new rules or get played.

Posted by: McAdams at June 29, 2015 11:55 AM (4b2BH)

303 Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 29, 2015 11:52 AM (0LHZx)

Yeah. And as soon as you hit $100,000 a year (doesn't matter where you live. If you live in the NY tri state area, where mortgages on an entry level house will run you $5k + a month and $100,000 is hardly enough to raise a family on... doesn't matter), you get BONED.

Can't write off student loan interest, and you're paying an effective federal rate in the high 20s, plus state rate, plus FICA, plus all the other taxes.

Not to mention property taxes, tolls, gas tax, alcohol tax, sales tax, diesel tax on everything you buy that came via truck, (indirectly) $100 per 18-wheeler that crosses the GW bridge, etc. etc.

So essentially you're better off being poor. Because if you make a decent amount of money, you're probably paying 60-70% directly and/or indirectly to government.

Add in red tape and compliance costs and all the other bullshit in life (including the pass through corporate taxes you pay on everything you buy), and you may get to take home 10-20% of what you earn. The rest goes directly or indirectly to government.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:55 AM (AkOaV)

304 Inre the taxes and welfare...here's the mindset of the people we are dealing with.

I belong to a program on Amazon.com where we get free items to review. We then keep the items.

Recently a program change was announced where we'd be receiving 1099 forms for the value of the items (I'm skipping a lot of history, but suffice it to say that the terms of service for the program until this week rendered those items non-taxable).

The wailing and gnashing of teeth from a fair portion of the program members was something to behold. I need to point out that the majority of them are stay-at-home literary types, and thus the vast majority of those complaining are well left of center...some aggressively so. But lots of complaining about how *they* have to pay taxes on this stuff now.

Even more maddening...quite a few complained that receiving 1099 income would mess up their benefits. Yep. Lots of chattering about how they will have to make a choice between healthcare and freebies.

A fair chunk quit the program out of protest, calling it a program for one percenters. Others are talking about meticulously adding up the value of the stuff they request until it hits close to $600, then stop requesting things.

Me, I've come so close to replying to these fucktards that THIS IS WHAT THEY VOTED FOR! It also very neatly illustrates the cycle of dependency these people are stuck in, even if they don't really grok it.

Depressing and amazing at the same time.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 29, 2015 11:55 AM (eytER)

305 292 Example: it's is unconstitutional that person 1 pays 30% tax rate while person 2 pays a 10% tax rate.

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Its basically a 14th A equal rights violation.

Posted by: SH at June 29, 2015 11:53 AM (gmeXX)


More important... its undignified for one person to pay less...

and since we now have a Right to Dignity....

/faceplam

Posted by: BB Wolf at June 29, 2015 11:55 AM (qh617)

306 @275

I was referring to the hard-working middle class, not the leaches. Sticking it to them till they feel the pain just feels wrong to me.

Especially when there is 100 million plus, who don't pay a dime to Uncle Sam, actually cost much more than any amount of money they bring in, if any. The people who put little to no worth, either monetarily or constructively, into society.


Posted by: TickledPink at June 29, 2015 11:56 AM (RLFFI)

307 Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:52 AM (AkOaV)

Or "equal Protection" for CCW. Why reciprocal in only 30 states? Under equal protection shouldn't it be all 50 like SSM?

Posted by: wrg500 at June 29, 2015 11:56 AM (kQBSd)

308 We either play by the new rules or get played.
Posted by: McAdams at June 29, 2015 11:55 AM (4b2BH)

In America, you play by rules.
In Soviet America, rules play you!

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:57 AM (HalrA)

309 Or "equal Protection" for CCW. Why reciprocal in only 30 states? Under equal protection shouldn't it be all 50 like SSM?

Posted by: wrg500 at June 29, 2015 11:56 AM (kQBSd)


This is my silver lining.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 29, 2015 11:57 AM (fwARV)

310 Because the convention you would get would not ... the Star Wars bar scene.

Again with this nonsense, 1 per State, from the States, 3/4 to ratify = can't runaway and we're not bound by nonsense.

Think of it like the Declaration. If you don't publish before shooting it's just murder.

Posted by: DaveA at June 29, 2015 11:58 AM (DL2i+)

311 Or "equal Protection" for CCW. Why reciprocal in only 30 states? Under equal protection shouldn't it be all 50 like SSM?
Posted by: wrg500 at June 29, 2015 11:56 AM (kQBSd)

Actually... reciprocity would mean that Constitutional Carry, as a handful of states have, would be the law of the land. Oh, darn...

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 11:58 AM (HalrA)

312 I belong to a program on Amazon.com where we get free items to review. We then keep the items.

VA Gop, what's the program?

I know there's a vendor that solicits amazon reviews, but they ask you to pay $1 for the item, which basically gets around this issue.

Posted by: @votermom at June 29, 2015 11:58 AM (cbfNE)

313 Who loaned Puerto Rico $72 Billion?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2015 11:54 AM (CdIQH)


Dear Creditors,

Please forgive Puerto Rico's debt.

Signed,
Epstein's mother

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 29, 2015 11:59 AM (493sH)

314 Great idea. Any other emolument is considered income, why not welfare?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 29, 2015 11:51 AM (oKE6c)

Right. And we could be Democrats about it -- lobby some congressman to slip one line in to an Omnibus bill at some point simply saying "welfare benefits will now count as income for all purposes" or something benign.

And don't make a big deal out of it. Nobody reads anything before they vote on it.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:59 AM (AkOaV)

315 No, but tax it as income.



And then use their post-welfare income as the "income" from which any other welfare programs are judged.



So if you get $45,000 in welfare, you're no longer poor and no
longer qualify for any additional programs, and may get kicked off the
programs you are in.



Make it an absolute nightmare for people to collect massive amounts
of welfare. Because right now there are so many programs and so much
money floating around that no one knows who is getting what, and its not
taxed or counted as income.



So someone making $20,000 a year and bringing in $50,000 in welfare
benefits (for a total of $70k) a year is considered "poor" and gets a
net benefit on April 15th, while her neighbor who makes $40,000 a year
with no welfare benefits is considered "middle class" and has taxes
withheld from his paycheck every month, and most likely owes money on
April 15th.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:48 AM (AkOaV)

Eliminate welfare and let charity come from actual charitable organizations whose donor give voluntarily.

One of the big problems with welfare is people consider it a "right" rather than understanding that it is a "gift" that they are not entitled to and should show gratitude for.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 29, 2015 12:00 PM (OrI3J)

316 to Hobbes?

Seems pretty Hobbesian now.

Odds on that being a repeat 2:1

Posted by: DaveA at June 29, 2015 12:00 PM (DL2i+)

317 Article V Convention of States.

Why does Ace of Spades oppose it?
Posted by: Brendan at June 29, 2015 10:40 AM (8YVZT)

Worthless with the current court, congress and president. No one is following the Constitution now.

Posted by: Not Loved Time to be Feared at June 29, 2015 12:00 PM (nRvEn)

318 Apparently PR has a generous welfare system, a declining population and tax base, they've lost quite a number of companies in the last few years, and, less than half the population there even works.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 29, 2015 12:00 PM (LA7Cm)

319 The reenactment at Gettysburg has been postponed. Very wet grounds are
the reason. Probably a relief for many, with all the Confederate flag
bans.
Some other groups said they wouldn't display the flag.
You
won't find it at the official visitors center, but there should be some
displayed at all the souvenir shops. Of course the City of Gettysburg
could ban the sale.

Posted by: Colin at June 29, 2015 10:34 AM (WQLtV)


They should hold the reenactment, but have all the Confederate reenactors dressed is stereotypically gay fashion, sashay, lisp, and carry the rainbow flag. And, when they get "shot", "die" fabulously.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2015 12:00 PM (YyTDi)

320 Gun control. Without the filibuster a whole ton of anti-gun bills would have easily passed post Newtown.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016

It wouldn't have passed the Republican House.

A lot of that also is Republican Senators playing games that live in tougher purple states because how someone votes on a failed bill has little consequence.

At the end of the day though, I'm willing to risk it, the Constitution says a majority with the VP being the tie breaker. If the Founder's wanted 60 Senate votes, they would have said so in the Constitution.

It's not like I'm going to actually heed to any ridiculous gun laws anyway

Posted by: McAdams at June 29, 2015 12:00 PM (4b2BH)

321 I like the idea of getting together about 2500 online activists to harass the lefties online into submission.


Dig up their personal information, harass any workplace they may be part of, contact their parents, family and friends.


I would also think that a large portion of our activists should claim to be muslim to put the fear of Allah into these people.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at June 29, 2015 12:01 PM (AC0lD)

322 Think of it like the Declaration. If you don't publish before shooting it's just murder.

Posted by: DaveA at June 29, 2015 11:58 AM (DL2i+)

The Framers sought every peaceful means of redress that they could think of before they published the Declaration. That's just the proper way it's done. It's longer, it's painful, but when there's something as risky and terrible looming ahead, we have a duty to avoid it if we can at all.

Odds are that we can't, but do we want to be known as the people who didn't try? It's a good option, it's still on the table, it must be used.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 12:01 PM (HalrA)

323 How long do you think it would take the GOP to fuck everything up again?



I'll put $10 on three minutes.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2015 12:01 PM (EXik3)

324 Posted by: @votermom at June 29, 2015 11:58 AM

Amazon Vine.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 29, 2015 12:01 PM (eytER)

325 This is my silver lining.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 29, 2015 11:57 AM (fwARV)

You would see heads explode like in the Kingsmen

Posted by: wrg500 at June 29, 2015 12:01 PM (kQBSd)

326 Please correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the gay fake marriage bullshit decision mean that (1) CCW is reciprocal on all states, (2) All states are MUST ISSUE, (3) no state can have a greater burden than the least burdensome state - which is Arizona - so all states and DC must issue without tests nor fees a CCW to all non-felons?

And also for the libertarians, doesn't this also mean that all states must accept legal cannabis?

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at June 29, 2015 12:02 PM (ukTrJ)

327 @306
As soon as a class/group is exempt from feeling pain - we are back in the same conundrum we are in today.

Everyone needs to feel it. Everyone. Once they see (and feel) the hunger of the beast - I think we could be amazed at how many conservatives have just "seen the light".

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at June 29, 2015 12:02 PM (DlmoZ)

328 Or "equal Protection" for CCW. Why reciprocal in only 30 states? Under equal protection shouldn't it be all 50 like SSM?
Posted by: wrg500 at June 29, 2015 11:56 AM (kQBSd)

Under full faith and credit it should be all 50 states.

For example, NY has to recognize my NH drivers license, my theoretical NH marriage license, and now my theoretical MA gay marriage license.

All has to be recognized. Every state is required under the constitution to give "Full faith and credit" to documents, court proceedings, etc. from every other state.

So it would SEEM TO BE a no brainer that that would include CCW's.

Then, of course, states like VT and AK have constitutional carry. Well, they don't issue any paperwork. But if they were to shall issue paperwork upon request, every other state would (seemingly) have to recognize that as well. And since you don't have to be a citizen of VT to "constitutionally carry" it would seem that we could all get paperwork saying "VT says we can carry whenever, wherever, without a permit or anything else", and that all other states would need to recognize it.

Of course... penumbras and emanations.

Plus, words are such... fluid things.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 12:02 PM (AkOaV)

329 Because the convention you would get would not be a senible, pragmatic gathering like Philadelphia. It would look and sound like the Star Wars bar scene.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 29, 2015 10:51 AM (659DL)

Besides that, look how long it's taking just to get to that point? And look at all the crap that has gone down since the Convention of States idea started?

It's an ok idea, but way, waaayyyy to slow in reality. Therefore unworkable in this environment.

Posted by: Blano at June 29, 2015 12:02 PM (VJImz)

330 "I know there's a vendor that solicits amazon reviews, but they ask you to pay $1 for the item, which basically gets around this issue."


If you do online surveys you will encounter this as well. Items will be sent to you for testing and review and once done you keep the item and they pay you for the time.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 29, 2015 12:03 PM (LA7Cm)

331 My contribution to US CalvinBall -- All lawyers are agents of the Court, therefore they are ineligible for running for office or holding positions in the other two branches of gubmint. And to prevent the inevitable dodge of surrendering their licenses, "once a lawyer always a lawyer for purposes of this rule".

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 29, 2015 12:03 PM (DblUs)

332 We can tax anything we want, the Roberts Court affirmed that, and you don't even need 60 votes in the Senate because it's a budget item.

So you could easily tax any and all Free Shit Army benefits. Most people would be cheering if you said we're going to start taxing things like Federal Housing.

Posted by: McAdams at June 29, 2015 12:03 PM (4b2BH)

333 They should hold the reenactment, but have all the Confederate
reenactors dressed is stereotypically gay fashion, sashay, lisp, and
carry the rainbow flag. And, when they get "shot", "die" fabulously.


Saw a tweet this morning of Bo and Luke Duke (the originals) posing with an orange Charger with a rainbow flag. Did not post a link here because that's just too much vile for even The Barrel to handle.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 29, 2015 12:03 PM (ZKzrr)

334 I think someone should -- in light of the recent SCOTUS decision about "disparate impact" in housing -- sue on the theory that income taxes have a disparate impact on white men.

Don't think it'll go anywhere, but I'd love to see the left explain away that one (they will, but it will be funny to watch)
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:52 AM (AkOaV)

________

This would apply to pretty much every tax and every regulation in the land.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 29, 2015 12:03 PM (0LHZx)

335 You would see heads explode like in the Kingsmen

Posted by: wrg500 at June 29, 2015 12:01 PM (kQBSd)


And that's my wet dream.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 29, 2015 12:04 PM (fwARV)

336 Hahaha! George Zimmerman is more black than Rachel Dolezal or Shaun King combined.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 29, 2015 12:04 PM (iQIUe)

337 And also for the libertarians, doesn't this also mean that all states must accept legal cannabis?
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at June 29, 2015 12:02 PM (ukTrJ)

Well... that one might be tricky.

Technically the "prescriptions" for cannabis are really just a piece of paper that says "Dr. Spaceman says I can smoke pot."

As in, no actual force of law.

So, no, I don't think that would necessarily be true.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 12:04 PM (AkOaV)

338 Please correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the gay fake marriage bullshit decision mean that (1) CCW is reciprocal on all states, (2) All states are MUST ISSUE, (3) no state can have a greater burden than the least burdensome state - which is Arizona - so all states and DC must issue without tests nor fees a CCW to all non-felons?
And also for the libertarians, doesn't this also mean that all states must accept legal cannabis?


I'll take "Unintended Consequences" for $100, Alex.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2015 12:05 PM (EXik3)

339 And don't make a big deal out of it. Nobody reads anything before they vote on it.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 11:59 AM (AkOaV)

Let's start slipping some real Fuck Yous into these omnibus bills that they don't read. And then don't act on them until we've got a massive collection of them built up.

"According to the Omnibus Problems We Should Have Seen Coming And Now Are Putting Bandaids On act, the Democratic party is illegal in all 50 states, and twice in Hawaii."

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 12:05 PM (HalrA)

340 Fuck all y'all.
Secede.

Posted by: Francis Wilkinson Pickens at June 29, 2015 12:05 PM (AH8fF)

341 This would apply to pretty much every tax and every regulation in the land.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 29, 2015 12:03 PM (0LHZx)

Would seem to, wouldn't it?

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 12:05 PM (AkOaV)

342 VA gop, how many reviews did you have (approx) before you got invited to Vine?

Posted by: @votermom at June 29, 2015 12:05 PM (cbfNE)

343 The 14th Amendment should also bar Affirmative Action.

But the Constitution is just a 'progressive' wishing well now.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 29, 2015 12:05 PM (oVJmc)

344 This would apply to pretty much every tax and every regulation in the land.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 29, 2015 12:03 PM (0LHZx)


Indeed.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 29, 2015 12:06 PM (fwARV)

345 320 Gun control. Without the filibuster a whole ton of anti-gun bills would have easily passed post Newtown.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016

It wouldn't have passed the Republican House.

A lot of that also is Republican Senators playing games that live in tougher purple states because how someone votes on a failed bill has little consequence.

Posted by: McAdams at June 29, 2015 12:00 PM (4b2BH)

_________

Well the House is irrelevant as far as the filibuster debate goes. I agree that overall the filibuster has done more harm than good for the right. But every now and then it does help. If it only took 51 votes in the senate, instead of 60, you'd have a lot fewer gun rights today.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 29, 2015 12:06 PM (0LHZx)

346
Why do you think Bernie Sanders is drawing large crowds?
..............................
Gargling in public is entertaining?

Posted by: wth at June 29, 2015 12:06 PM (wAQA5)

347 Technically the "prescriptions" for cannabis are really just a piece of paper that says "Dr. Spaceman says I can smoke pot." As in, no actual force of law.

So, no, I don't think that would necessarily be true.



Didn't Colorado legalize all pot?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2015 12:06 PM (EXik3)

348 At least SCOTUS did tell Obama to fuck off this morning with the EPA ruling. Yeay??

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 29, 2015 12:07 PM (0LHZx)

349 Or "equal Protection" for CCW. Why reciprocal in only 30 states? Under equal protection shouldn't it be all 50 like SSM?

Posted by: wrg500 at June 29, 2015 11:56 AM (kQBSd)

This is my silver lining.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 29, 2015 11:57 AM


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Posted by: SCOTUS at June 29, 2015 12:08 PM (h4vJk)

350 Posted by: @votermom at June 29, 2015 12:05 PM (cbfNE)

I'm still waiting for my vine invitation. I'm a prolific purchaser and reviewer.

Ah, well, life can be unfair. I guess "millennial who buys a lot of tech shit" is not really high on their list of "unique voices" for reviews.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 12:08 PM (AkOaV)

351 Secede.
Posted by: Francis Wilkinson Pickens at June 29, 2015 12:05 PM (AH8fF)

Technically, Texas doesn't have to. All we have to do is declare that because the US is no longer following its own Constitution, there is no legitimate US government, therefore recognition of said is withdrawn.

We joined by treaty, but treaties with an entity that doesn't exist are null and void... I suggest that we phrase it "suspend all actions as a member of the entity purporting to be the United States, until such a time as Constitutional government is restored."

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 12:09 PM (HalrA)

352 #337
Didn't say medical cannabis. Meant recreational. Just give someone a license to distribute pot (like in Colorado) should allow them to ship it to Wisconsin.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at June 29, 2015 12:10 PM (ukTrJ)

353 Didn't Colorado legalize all pot?
Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2015 12:06 PM (EXik3)

Yeah, but that's different.

For example, NH has legal fireworks. MA doesnt.

that's okay. No full faith and credit involved there.

And I mean... I don't know "equal protection"?! That would be a stretch.

I suppose with the Court's new definition, you could argue that rednecks in MA have less fun than rednecks in NH because NH rednecks have better fireworks to set off and blow off fingers with. I don't know. Under any normal legal theory, no.

But we are in the twilight zone, so who knows?

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 12:10 PM (AkOaV)

354 261,

Hate to piss in your wheaties, but shit is about to get real painful...don't matter if you don't want it to be or not.

Posted by: Pass the popcorn at June 29, 2015 12:10 PM (kmtse)

355 Every month, poor people don't get welfare payments until they sit in an office, and while supervised, write a 2000 word essay thanking the hard working business owners who made this months check possible.


They also have to detail what they are doing to get off the system.


The more errors they have, the less the check.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at June 29, 2015 12:11 PM (AC0lD)

356 352 #337
Didn't say medical cannabis. Meant recreational. Just give someone a license to distribute pot (like in Colorado) should allow them to ship it to Wisconsin.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at June 29, 2015 12:10 PM (ukTrJ)

under full faith and credit, or under equal protection?

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 29, 2015 12:11 PM (AkOaV)

357 Didn't say medical cannabis. Meant recreational. Just give someone a license to distribute pot (like in Colorado) should allow them to ship it to Wisconsin.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at June 29, 2015 12:10 PM (ukTrJ)

Under this Gay Marriage Law, one state doing ANYTHING can force every other state to go along with it...

What could we impose on the Left by such means?

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 12:11 PM (HalrA)

358 Re: Eliminate withholding.

Yes, This. As a self-employed who pays quarterly I think the the Dems would go the way of the Whigs if everybody got their mitts on their money and then every three months had to write a check coughing it up to Uncle Sugar.

Do that and in two years, max, teachers, bus drivers and cops would be sounding like Grover Norquist.

Posted by: Rsapil at June 29, 2015 12:11 PM (tN3KX)

359 Calvin Ball rules:

http://www.bartel.org/calvinball/

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 29, 2015 12:11 PM (9mTYi)

360 Ending withholding.. Name me one person who has the financial fortitude to put that tax money away every week in order to write the big check at the end of the year.

This is a fucking conservative's wet dream that everyone talks about but would be an unmitigated disaster in year one.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 29, 2015 11:01 AM (so+oy)


Most of the true conservatives here would do so. Perhaps some would elect to spend all their paychecks, and then borrow from a loan company to pay their taxes. And the LIVS? If they didn't pay, and can't get a loan, then we get to torture them. Whee!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2015 12:12 PM (YyTDi)

361 I have to say, I am FAR more concerned about terrorist threats than any BS about gay fucking marriage...

Why does the GOP always pick the wrong hill..?

Posted by: melodicmetal1 at June 29, 2015 11:10 AM (MV2jA)

The terrorist threat is overstated. Our greatest enemies aren't ISIS or AQ, it's other Americans, starting with the current White House occupant.

Posted by: Blano at June 29, 2015 12:12 PM (VJImz)

362 @272 I have never seen the filibuster stop Democrats on a single issue

Absolutely correct. At worst, they simply try again later. And eventually, they win, whether it's in the legislative (Obamacare), or executive (amnesty), or judicial branch (SSM).

And the GOPe? Why, those weasels won't even TRY if they see a chance of a filibuster. It's like one and done with them. Does a particular thing keep coming up, again and again and again? Not so much. "Nah, the Dems filibustered it 17 years ago, time to move on."

Posted by: Agent J at June 29, 2015 12:12 PM (ueOgE)

363 Gotta agree with Blano.

My so-called 'neighbors' and 'fellow amiericans' pose more of a threat than some goatfucker.

Posted by: Pass the popcorn at June 29, 2015 12:13 PM (kmtse)

364 Commerce clause : Federal regulations preempt state tariffs and regulations. Any product that is legal to sell in any one state is legal to sell in any other state.

Import duties on interstate trade date from the very beginning of the US Constitution. California's overly strict environmental laws are unconstitutional.

Posted by: Khalid el Browncowski at June 29, 2015 12:13 PM (zGQ5T)

365 This is a fucking conservative's wet dream that everyone talks about but would be an unmitigated disaster in year one.

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Isn't that the point?

Posted by: SH at June 29, 2015 12:13 PM (gmeXX)

366 The gay "marriage" ruling does open the door for 100% reciprocity for carry permits.

But SCOTUS will be more than happy to contort itself into knots to avoid having to allow that.

For fuck's sake, Roberts himself took two diametrically opposite positions just last week. This court doesn't care about consistency.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 29, 2015 12:14 PM (eytER)

367 Well the House is irrelevant as far as the filibuster debate goes. I agree that overall the filibuster has done more harm than good for the right. But every now and then it does help. If it only took 51 votes in the senate, instead of 60, you'd have a lot fewer gun rights today.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016

It takes both chambers to pass a bill.

Unless we're talking about an alternate universe, that Senate bill would have been DOA in the Republican House even if there was no filibuster. So it didn't save anything. A lot of Democrats even voted against the bill in the Senate.

The NRA is the one thing even Establishment Republicans are scared of crossing.


Posted by: McAdams at June 29, 2015 12:14 PM (4b2BH)

368 Calvin Ball rule 1.3:
"A player may use the Calvinball Constitution in any way the player sees fit, whether it be to incur injury upon other players or to gain benefits for himself."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 29, 2015 12:14 PM (9mTYi)

369 Under this Gay Marriage Law, one state doing ANYTHING can force every other state to go along with it...

What could we impose on the Left by such means?



Texas. Death Row Express Lanes.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2015 12:14 PM (EXik3)

370 Yes, This. As a self-employed who pays quarterly I think the the Dems would go the way of the Whigs if everybody got their mitts on their money and then every three months had to write a check coughing it up to Uncle Sugar.

Do that and in two years, max, teachers, bus drivers and cops would be sounding like Grover Norquist.
Posted by: Rsapil at June 29, 2015 12:11 PM (tN3KX)

______________

Why do people keep saying this? Everyone gets a paystub with their paycheck do they not? And on every paycheck it shows YTD taxes paid. It's not some great mystery that would suddenly be revealed by getting rid of witholding.

The reason most people don't give a fuck about taxes is because most people don't pay any taxes. And the few that do, pay such a small amount, it doesn't matter if they pay it all at once or in 24 or 26 increments.

Salaried people that pay a lot of taxes, already know they pay a lot of taxes. And if you got rid of witholding all they'd do is set up a savings account and set aside some money every week or month to send to the IRS quarterly. It would be withholding by another name.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 29, 2015 12:14 PM (0LHZx)

371 Re: Stack the Supreme Court

Yes. This.

Once it's up to about 100 justices, or so, like any other legislature, it can decide issues like the Fourteenth Amendment "Equal Protection" violation inherent in the graduated income tax.

Posted by: Rsapil at June 29, 2015 12:15 PM (tN3KX)

372 Unless we're talking about an alternate universe, that Senate bill would have been DOA in the Republican House even if there was no filibuster. So it didn't save anything. A lot of Democrats even voted against the bill in the Senate.

The NRA is the one thing even Establishment Republicans are scared of crossing.


Posted by: McAdams at June 29, 2015 12:14 PM (4b2BH)

___________

Ugh. Never mind.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 29, 2015 12:15 PM (0LHZx)

373
obama's Court just redefined marriage - a hundred isis attacks couldnt do that much damage

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 29, 2015 12:15 PM (/6AND)

374 The reason most people don't give a fuck about taxes is because most people don't pay any taxes.

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All pay FICA.

Posted by: SH at June 29, 2015 12:15 PM (gmeXX)

375 VA gop, how many reviews did you have (approx) before you got invited to Vine?

I really don't remember. I don't think I was all THAT prolific. Honestly, the criteria for Vine seems to be akin to tossing darts at a board.

When I got the invite I honestly thought it was a scam.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at June 29, 2015 12:16 PM (eytER)

376 90% tax rate on any government employee outside of military on any money earned above $50,000.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at June 29, 2015 12:16 PM (AC0lD)

377 The terrorist threat is overstated. Our greatest
enemies aren't ISIS or AQ, it's other Americans, starting with the
current White House occupant.

Posted by: Blano at June 29, 2015 12:12 PM (VJImz)


They're social terrorists.
Hey, this business of prepending adjectives to terms is fun!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 29, 2015 12:16 PM (oKE6c)

378 For fuck's sake, Roberts himself took two diametrically opposite positions just last week. This court doesn't care about consistency.

Normally, one must visit a sanitarium to find people who hold two totally opposite views at the same time.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 29, 2015 12:16 PM (eEb+d)

379 When the Dems run completely wild for a couple of years, then people will be ready for some REAL hope and change. At some point, normal people might learn what "civil disobedience" means.

Posted by: Agent J at June 29, 2015 11:20 AM (ueOgE)

I advocate all conservatives withdrawing from the process, and let the Dems run everything for 10 years. That's all the time it'll take to collapse the system if we let them run roughshod for a little while.

Posted by: Blano at June 29, 2015 12:16 PM (VJImz)

380 Email me with my nic at gmail and I will upvote your reviews, mynewhandle, if that helps

Posted by: @votermom at June 29, 2015 12:17 PM (cbfNE)

381 Don't pack the court, cut it back to 3 judges, by seniority. Kennedy gets to be the swing judge between Scalia and Thomas.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at June 29, 2015 12:17 PM (evdj2)

382 The terrorist threat is overstated. Our greatest enemies aren't ISIS or AQ, it's other Americans, starting with the current White House occupant.
Posted by: Blano at June 29, 2015 12:12 PM (VJImz)


----------------------------------------------


All of them want the same thing. The destruction of America.

They are one and the same.

Posted by: Soona at June 29, 2015 12:17 PM (P25Hh)

383
I advocate all conservatives withdrawing from
the process, and let the Dems run everything for 10 years. That's all
the time it'll take to collapse the system if we let them run roughshod
for a little while.

Posted by: Blano at June 29, 2015 12:16 PM (VJImz)

Hillary 2016 - Let her deal with it....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at June 29, 2015 12:18 PM (AC0lD)

384 Well, we could also take this to mean irregularities in insurance licensing by State to State is illegal and unconstitutional - so by recognizing that, we can in one fell swoop open the insurance market nationwide for competition.

Thus allowing a sincere argument that O-Care is not necessary - and those without coverage can just get welfare like is already in the law. Prices go down for everyone, those with pre-existing conditions can pay a premium or become a ward of the state.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at June 29, 2015 12:18 PM (ukTrJ)

385 I advocate all conservatives withdrawing from the process, and let the Dems run everything for 10 years. That's all the time it'll take to collapse the system if we let them run roughshod for a little while.
Posted by: Blano at June 29, 2015 12:16 PM (VJImz)

They already are running roughshod.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at June 29, 2015 12:18 PM (HalrA)

386 Normally, one must visit a sanitarium to find people who hold two totally opposite views at the same time.

Eh. Hillary! rallies are full of them.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 29, 2015 12:18 PM (ZKzrr)

387 The terrorist threat is overstated. Our greatest enemies aren't ISIS or AQ, it's other Americans, starting with the current White House occupant.
Posted by: Blano
-----------------------------

Why, that sounds counter-revolutionary comrade. Dangerous talk. The Gulags and prisons of the socialist totalitarians have been filled with people that said such things.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 29, 2015 12:19 PM (9mTYi)

388 The reason most people don't give a fuck about taxes is because most
people don't pay any taxes. And the few that do, pay such a small
amount, it doesn't matter if they pay it all at once or in 24 or 26
increments.



Huge difference between having taxes withheld and having that sweet sweet money in your hot little hand, and then having to cough it back up. Not a person in a thousand knows exactly how much is withheld from each paycheck, and even if everyone knew, it's not the same as peeling off greenbacks that used to be in your possession. Psychology >> math.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 29, 2015 12:19 PM (oKE6c)

389 Don't pack the court, cut it back to 3 judges, by seniority. Kennedy gets to be the swing judge between Scalia and Thomas.

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My response is similar - though I treat the judiciary as a whole. Rather than expand it - cut it back. Get rid of circuits and district courts.

Posted by: SH at June 29, 2015 12:19 PM (gmeXX)

390 370. There is an enormous practical and psychological difference between cash in hand and a sterile line entry on a payroll statement. For most people by far what they "earn" is what they take home, not all that jiggery-pokery that appears above the bottom line.


Posted by: Rsapil at June 29, 2015 12:19 PM (tN3KX)

391 Let me introduce you the Johnny Corzine Club....


Corzine was a noted Hedge Fund Commander without equal with the exception of Bernard Maddoff


Crime does not just pay today it has a healthcare and retirement program going for it.

Posted by: Mallery at June 29, 2015 12:19 PM (/WmRg)

392 How about an Article V Convention?

Posted by: JohnJ at June 29, 2015 12:19 PM (TF/YA)

393
Dems constantly whine about BIIIIIG OIIIIIL tax breaks. Why the fuck doesn't anyone in the GOP counter that with bug Hollywood tax breaks. Or Big Sports tax breaks. Or Big Silicon Valley tax breaks.



Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 29, 2015 12:20 PM (0LHZx)

394 Those 3 tiny UFOs in the sidebar...I thought they were reverse SMOD. Why are they going in the wrong direction!? Come back, come back!!

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 29, 2015 12:20 PM (qqOJK)

395 If you eliminated withholding, this country would have a revolution when the 1st quarter's taxes were due.

The problem is, people would be pissed at conservatives because they would think it was some new tax they instituted. they really have no idea how much money that is until it's in their hands and then taken away.

Posted by: McAdams at June 29, 2015 12:20 PM (4b2BH)

396 @370

I am sure a lot of people don't even pay attention.

Plus, with so many people on direct deposit, that's even less they would pay attention to their paycheck.

Posted by: TickledPink at June 29, 2015 12:20 PM (RLFFI)

397
What the Left is doing is deconstructing the USA piece by piece into Something Else.

ISIS is 8000 mile away wishing they could do the same.

Which one should I worry about more?

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 29, 2015 12:21 PM (/6AND)

398 381 Don't pack the court, cut it back to 3 judges, by seniority. Kennedy gets to be the swing judge between Scalia and Thomas.
Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at June 29, 2015 12:17 PM (evdj2)




Or have supreme court (no caps anymore) decisions rendered by the justices swinging halberds in a steel cage match. So much for Ginsburg.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 29, 2015 12:21 PM (oKE6c)

399 The problem is, people would be pissed at conservatives because they would think it was some new tax they instituted. they really have no idea how much money that is until it's in their hands and then taken away.

-----

Alas - this is probably true.

Posted by: SH at June 29, 2015 12:21 PM (gmeXX)

400 There is an enormous practical and psychological difference between cash in hand and a sterile line entry on a payroll statement.

For most people by far what they "earn" is what they take home, not all that jiggery-pokery that appears above the
bottom line.



^^^^^
THIS!

Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2015 12:23 PM (EXik3)

401 Eh. Hillary! rallies are full of them.


Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 29, 2015 12:18 PM (ZKzrr)


Speaking of Hillary, and the demographic that loves her, tax batteries. And cats.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 29, 2015 12:23 PM (oKE6c)

402
Huge difference between having taxes withheld and having that sweet sweet money in your hot little hand, and then having to cough it back up. Not a person in a thousand knows exactly how much is withheld from each paycheck, and even if everyone knew, it's not the same as peeling off greenbacks that used to be in your possession. Psychology >> math.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 29, 2015 12:19 PM (oKE6c)

__________

First off people do know roughly how much is witheld. Even the lowest LIV can read a pay stub or a W2.

But the bigger picture issue is that the LIVs don't actually pay any net taxes. Whatever is withheld is sent back as a refund. **That** is the problem. When 50%+ of the workforce pays nothing, it's impossible to win an election on the promise of lower taxes.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 29, 2015 12:23 PM (0LHZx)

403 With the recent ruling on gay marriage by the Supreme Court, the nice thing now is that we can completely dispense with the other two branches of government.

As Kennedy declared in his ascent, a majority of the Supreme Court can now substitute its "reasoned judgement" for the will of the people, meaning any fucking right - imagined by any group with an ax to grind, or any right declared as unalienable by the constitution - can be whatever 5 judges of the Supreme Court say it is.

We thought we had an imperial presidency. We were only marginally right.

Posted by: Semper In Sterco at June 29, 2015 12:23 PM (BZAd3)

404 Plus, with so many people on direct deposit, that's even less they would pay attention to their paycheck.



As long as the numbers are relatively close every two weeks.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2015 12:25 PM (EXik3)

405 The problem is, people would be pissed at conservatives because they would think it was some new tax they instituted. they really have no idea how much money that is until it's in their hands and then taken away.

-----

Alas - this is probably true.
Posted by: SH

At this point, I don't care, it's like a soda machine we need to rock until it's knocked down, I don't care about the next election.

Posted by: McAdams at June 29, 2015 12:25 PM (4b2BH)

406 I've always thought SCOTUS shouldn't be a lifetime appointment. 10 years is more than enough. Then you have constantly rotating makeup of the court.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 29, 2015 12:25 PM (0LHZx)

407 But the bigger picture issue is that the LIVs don't actually pay any net taxes. Whatever is withheld is sent back as a refund.

If you think the people who wait for that check in February or April so they can pay off all the shit they bought for Christmas won't get upset when that check doesn't arrive, you don't know people.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 29, 2015 12:25 PM (ZKzrr)

408 First off people do know roughly how much is witheld. Even the lowest LIV can read a pay stub or a W2.



But the bigger picture issue is that the LIVs don't actually pay any
net taxes. Whatever is withheld is sent back as a refund. **That** is
the problem. When 50%+ of the workforce pays nothing, it's impossible to
win an election on the promise of lower taxes.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 29, 2015 12:23 PM (0LHZx)

CAN read is not the same as DOES read. I'd bet my life that most of Congress couldn't tell you how much is withheld from their paychecks.

And you're right about the 50%. That's why everyone should pay something, and what they pay must depend on the overall tax rate.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 29, 2015 12:26 PM (oKE6c)

409 And the Darwin Award winner is....

http://tinyurl.com/pt7get6

Posted by: wrg500 at June 29, 2015 12:26 PM (kQBSd)

410 Don't forget a wk ago, the Weather Channel said the military was more worried about climate change than anything else. Damn I hate the Weather Channel anymore. And CNN has a story about a little island that may, could, possibly end up under water.......Life in a disappearing country.....

Posted by: Colin at June 29, 2015 12:26 PM (WQLtV)

411 ISIS is 8000 mile away wishing they could do the same. Which one should I worry about more?
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 29, 2015 12:21 PM (/6AND)


------------------------------------


Please don't kid yourself, Sooth. ISIS is in this country right now. And, yes, they are a threat. They're part and parcel of Dear Leader's regime.

Posted by: Soona at June 29, 2015 12:26 PM (P25Hh)

412 Nood Trump.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 29, 2015 12:26 PM (EXik3)

413 So you could easily tax any and all Free Shit Army
benefits. Most people would be cheering if you said we're going to
start taxing things like Federal Housing.

Posted by: McAdams at June 29, 2015 12:03 PM (4b2BH)

Disparate impact baby!

Posted by: We got this covered! at June 29, 2015 12:27 PM (ftVQq)

414 Nood. Trump.

Posted by: HH at June 29, 2015 12:27 PM (Qia1Z)

415 A lot of LIB talk. There are the tacit assumptions that:

A. The rest of the world (Russia, China, ME) will just go on a benign Hold during that time.

B. Those circumstances will be survived, in a practical sense.

C. What emerges will be better.

There is not the remotest reason to believe any of that. The analogy is swimming away from a sinking boat, thinking that you'll find a better one somewhere.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 29, 2015 12:27 PM (9mTYi)

416 "379
When the Dems run completely wild for a couple of years, then people
will be ready for some REAL hope and change. At some point, normal
people might learn what "civil disobedience" means"



***

What historical precedent teaches that? Certainly not the south in 1865, the Germans and Japanese in 1945, Russia from 1917-91, the ChiComs and Norks today.

All examples of the amount of force fed sh!t the "people" are capable of swallowing while doing nothing about it. It took Yankees in Richmond, Soviets in Berlin, and Hiroshima / Nagasaki vaporized to bring the people in the South, Germany and Japan around. The Russians only took a mere 74 years. The ChiComs and Norks appear eager to break that record.

Posted by: Rsapil at June 29, 2015 12:27 PM (tN3KX)

417
Meh,,,

What difference, at this point, does it make?!/1/1/!!!?!?1/1?1///?

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at June 29, 2015 12:29 PM (HSmrB)

418 @370
Why do people keep saying this? Everyone gets a paystub with their
paycheck do they not? And on every paycheck it shows YTD taxes paid

Yes, we all get pay stubs. But the money is taken out before I get one red cent in my hands. In that sense - people don't feel it.

Instead of the $500/wk after taxes/withholding/etc., pay them the $625/wk and every person MUST write the $125 check to the government. Now people feel it. This becomes real.

Then perhaps those with >5 brain cells will start asking themselves WTF am I getting for my money.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at June 29, 2015 12:29 PM (DlmoZ)

419 Some one said the guy who was holding fire work that exploded probably means Hillary lost another voter.

Posted by: Colin at June 29, 2015 12:30 PM (WQLtV)

420 Someone mentioned taxing welfare income. It sounds great, but....taxing welfare income is only going to hurt in the case of people who are truly trying and really, really need that supplemental income.

If I am an unworking single mom with a brood of kids getting 50 K a year in welfare. And, all of the sudden, I am getting taxed, and I only get 40K a year, what does that change? I am still getting 40 K a year for doing nothing. Is that 10K a year enough for me to say, "Ya know, I think I am gonna go out and get that job now...just to make as much or a little more than what I am getting now." Eh, probably not.

Posted by: TickledPink at June 29, 2015 12:30 PM (RLFFI)

421 First off people do know roughly how much is witheld. Even the lowest LIV can read a pay stub or a W2.

But the bigger picture issue is that the LIVs don't actually pay any net taxes. Whatever is withheld is sent back as a refund. **That** is the problem. When 50%+ of the workforce pays nothing, it's impossible to win an election on the promise of lower taxes.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016

But every working adult has a payroll tax.

The 47% statistic is only true when you're talking about federal income taxes.

Regardless, it doesn't take much to really change the dynamics of this country moving forward.

If 10% of the public changed their mind about Big Government and taxes, that might as well be a revolution.

Posted by: McAdams at June 29, 2015 12:31 PM (4b2BH)

422 Sorry to shatter everyone's illusions but ending withholding will do very little or nothing on the IRS or Income Tax in general. Why?


1. Only 50% of the people actually working here pay a tax. And out of those a large amount get money back through the EIC tax welfare scam. Even a large number of people who do not work get money from this scam now thanks to changes since it was originally put in place.


2. Out of the people who actually pay a tax, a large portion are like me, they already have no withholding. They have to file a quarterly return with their "estimated taxes".

In order to have a "withholding" you have to have "earned income" from somebody else's buisness to withhold from.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 29, 2015 12:35 PM (GpgJl)

423 414 Nood. Trump.

Two words that should never be side by side.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at June 29, 2015 12:35 PM (nqiq9)

424 402. First off people do know roughly how much is witheld. Even the lowest LIV can read a pay stub or a W2.


***

They may know, but its an abstraction that doesn't really affect their lives. The withholding numbers above the net pay line are like the NL Central standings or the scores on Dancing With the Stars. Mildly interesting in a detached way but they're not really relevant to buying groceries or marijuana.

Make them write a check for it and it becomes very real. Budgeting 101 as brutal life lesson. (Holy crap! I spent my 3d quarter tax payment on tattoos and internet pron!)

Posted by: Rsapil at June 29, 2015 12:38 PM (tN3KX)

425 Some one said the guy who was holding fire work that exploded probably means Hillary lost another voter.

Posted by: Colin at June 29, 2015 12:30 PM (WQLtV)


Nope. Hillary just GAINED another voter.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at June 29, 2015 12:38 PM (fwARV)

426 @424

Hey....the NL Central is fantastic. Watch your mouth!

Posted by: TickledPink at June 29, 2015 12:41 PM (RLFFI)

427 All those ideas are premised on the assumption of a Republican president. Something that the "milquetoast" establishment has been quietly trying to arrange by pulling down lightning rods and buying time ever since they retook the Senate. Something which I have explained, repeatedly, here in comments sections, which has not stopped you from screaming, stomping, and crying about it since January.

I guess now it finally has sunk in, sort of, that taking the presidency is necessary to saving the country and that should be priority #1... without ever realizing that talking about doing all those things you just listed out loud, in public, will work AGAINST taking the presidency (or even holding Congress) by feeding ammunition to Democrats about incoming reactionary policies. You think you're brilliant for mentioning court packing; but did it ever occur to you that the scheme failed the FIRST time, in the 1930s, because of vast public opposition? Did you even know that? Do you really think that a public newly mistrustful of politicians promising big changes is going to completely forget the experience of the last decade or so and just hop aboard your ideological freight train?

You're advocating that Republicans promise, out loud and public, to do big things when they take the Presidency that will cause them NOT take the Presidency and forever render your preferred policies dead. Good thinking.

You really need to find some other vocation, because you fucking suck at politics.

Posted by: Apostate at June 29, 2015 12:45 PM (IQSWi)

428 I just read that Howard Stern is one of the most highly paid entertainers. I don't get it. The son of a bitch is a no talent shit shoveler who does the same show over and over. You would have to be a brain dead drooler to think that fuck was "entertainment".

Posted by: maddogg at June 29, 2015 12:50 PM (xWW96)

429 End Withholding! F-ck yeah. Somebody reads me, notices me. F-ck yeah, happy days.

Posted by: Jean at June 29, 2015 12:52 PM (ztOda)

430 don't fence me in

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at June 29, 2015 12:54 PM (0O7c5)

431 You're advocating that Republicans promise, out loud and public, to do big things when they take the Presidency that will cause them NOT take the Presidency and forever render your preferred policies dead. Good thinking.

You really need to find some other vocation, because you fucking suck at politics.

Posted by: Apostate at June 29, 2015 12:45 PM (IQSWi)


Uh, dude. Drew is not suggesting that the GOP campaign on the basis of doing these things. he's suggesting that the GOP do these things, once a GOP President is elected. And the opposition will accuse them of wanting to do it, as a matter of course. They already do that.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 29, 2015 12:57 PM (wvk+d)

432
Let's pretend for a moment the GOP wakes up one morning and realizes it stands for something beyond "win seats, hire loyalists, and pay consultants"






*snort*


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 29, 2015 01:01 PM (vXKGT)

433 This is a govt. version of "making the left play by its own rules", while acknowledging the fact that they change their rules mid-game.

But doing this on a govt. level requires people of the same mindset to play. The current GOP/Republicans are not those people. And conservatives (that we really need) aren't those people, because they are still stuck in playing by the rules and hoping people understand their arguments, like sane rational adults would. But 2008 and 2012 proved us oh. so. wrong.

But this approach you outline works in real, everyday life. It's called "illustrating absurdity with absurdity". You can do so in conversations with Libs or LIVs, family relationships, work, social events, etc. Learn the left's rules and hit them in the face with them. Constantly. Like a curb stomp. Learn how one big social grab (same sex marriage) leads to others (polygamy) and sincerely argue it. Make them LIVE it. If people knew same sex marriage would lead to polygamy 10 years ago, it wouldn't have the traction it does now.

An example - when Bruce Jenner (a man) identified as a woman (something he is clearly not), the Left and LIVS applauded. But when Rachel Dolezal (white) identified as black (something she clearly is not) the LIVs and Left ridiculed and scorned her. Did you catch what I wrote? They ridiculed her (see Maya Rudolph). Like they do Repubs and conservatives, their enemies. They did this because she is a living, breathing example of the real-life outcomes of their lunacy and they cannot explain that in polite company. And they can't have that be rubbed in their face, so they ridicule her and try to move on past it.

So don't let them move on. Cite her as precedent.

Same as when Joss Whedon got butt-pumped by the Feminists for "Avengers". Don't argue to protect him - he doesn't want your help and won't return the favor. Instead, argue with the Feminists against him. Make him eat the shit sandwich he spent years campaigning to put on our menu.

Conservatives need to take those instances, side with Dolezal, etc., and beat the SHIT out of the Left for their actions toward her. Is Dolezel nuts? Sure! Is it a denial of reality to help her? Sure! But we KNOW it is, and much of the Left LIVS don't.

What is the effect of supporting Dolezel? Why, affirmative action policies and other sops to "minorities" go tits up because EVERYONE can identify as a "minority" now. That will wake the blacks, et al up. Then as Republicans you offer them the road back to sanity.

Posted by: Saltydonnie at June 29, 2015 01:03 PM (i6shs)

434 I like it!!

Posted by: mhj at June 29, 2015 01:06 PM (FZdvr)

435 You're advocating that Republicans promise, out loud and public, to do big things when they take the Presidency that will cause them NOT take the Presidency and forever render your preferred policies dead. Good thinking.

You really need to find some other vocation, because you fucking suck at politics.



How's the status quo working out for ya?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 29, 2015 01:13 PM (rwI+c)

436 The Republic of Texas and a few other red states could get these kinds of ideas passed, but not the entirety of all 57 states. Our country has become too big. Our constitution was designed for 13 states that agreed on fundamental things like 'are you born a woman, or is it a choice'. We need to move back to a Republic with 13 states, give or take.

Posted by: Old Hob at June 29, 2015 01:21 PM (VRc/p)

437 There is not the remotest reason to believe any of that. The analogy is
swimming away from a sinking boat, thinking that you'll find a better
one somewhere.


If you don't swim away from a sinking boat, particularly if it's large, there's a good chance that the suction it creates when it finally slips beneath the waves will drown you.

Posted by: Methos at June 29, 2015 01:27 PM (ZbV+0)

438 99 I cannot say this enough - NULLIFICATION NOW


Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at June 29, 2015 11:13 AM (YYJjz)

I knew the Birchers would start appearing with their nullification calls. The same people who are against Article V that's IN the Constitution. Show me again where in the Constitution the clause for nullification is? Nullification was a democrat confederate cause, no thanks.

Posted by: Arson Wells at June 29, 2015 01:36 PM (UnJ7w)

439 Why do people keep saying this? Everyone gets a paystub with their paycheck do they not? And on every paycheck it shows YTD taxes paid. It's not some great mystery that would suddenly be revealed by getting rid of witholding

Having cash in hand and then having it taken away, even a little of it, is painful. It's part of the reason that people that pay with cash for things spend less money overall than people that don't.

Posted by: GMan at June 29, 2015 01:52 PM (sxq57)

440 Why do people keep saying this? Everyone gets a paystub with their
paycheck do they not? And on every paycheck it shows YTD taxes paid


Most people get a direct deposit, and very few read their pay stubs. Twice I've had my payroll service put erroneous information on employee's pay stubs (for months) - the employee's never noticed. Make them write a big check at the end of Government fiscal year. Then vote two weeks later.

Posted by: Jean at June 29, 2015 02:21 PM (ztOda)

441 I'm on board, if only because everything we've tried before hasn't worked.

Posted by: goat at June 29, 2015 02:42 PM (k1uGy)

442 The problem is that the stupid party keeps trying to understand and play by the rules of Calvinball.

Posted by: Ken in NH at June 29, 2015 03:21 PM (MqjGP)

443 I'd suggest that the next time we have a big gay rights case ( which will probably involve gays wanting to force a catholic priest to marry them) we put "articles of impeachment for justice kennedy" in the docket.

It doesn't matter if we have the votes to remove him ( the month long trial will be bad enough for his personal anxiety and his legacy)
Kennedy in particular cares about his legacy, and as of now he'll probably retire as the most popular Justice since Warren ( in terms of people who write the history that is)
An impeachment will tarnish that. What is more impeachment is an inherently political act, the conviction is what has to be justified by the law. Will we be attacked for it, no doubt, but we're going to be attacked for something anyway, might as well give the Left a good reason to whine. Game on.

Posted by: midwestconservative at June 29, 2015 04:05 PM (WJc3o)

444 Also, lets start impeaching Obama officials. Will they be removed? No, but they're lives will be miserable afterwards. And a significant number of them genuinely deserve to be impeached ( including Obama himself).
Having "was impeached" on their resume' would suck.

Posted by: midwestconservative at June 29, 2015 04:07 PM (WJc3o)

445
I'd like to see the next president go thru the standing executive orders and get rid of any dead weight or excessive or unnecessary regulations would be a good start.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at June 30, 2015 10:49 AM (1hM1d)

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