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It's Already Starting: Top Clinton Advisor Won't Commit to Protecting Churches' Tax Exempt Status, Given Gay Marriage Ruling

Don't be paranoid.

I mean, just ten years ago they swore Lawrence would not lead to gay marriage, and then two years ago swore that gay marriage would not lead to you being forced to bake them a cake.

So if a top Hillary advisor dodges the question of tax exempt status for churches who refuse to perform gay marriages -- you can take her non-answer to the bank, Bigots.

Karen Finney, a top advisor for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, declined to answer if she believes churches that refuse to perform same sex marriages should lose their tax exempt status. Responding to a question from Breitbart News, Finney dodged with, "honestly today just thinking about what this means for my LGBT friends."

AllahPundit has a substantive post on what Kennedy says about this issue -- he spends a whole paragraph on it! It's also dicta -- statements which are not compelled by the decision at hand, but are speculations about future cases which are not yet before the court -- so none of his very weak reassurances are even binding, or precedent.

The dissenting justices notice this.

Clarence Thomas:

Aside from undermining the political processes that protect our liberty, the majority’s decision threatens the religious liberty our Nation has long sought to protect. …

In our society, marriage is not simply a governmental institution; it is a religious institution as well. Id., at 7. Today’s decision might change the former, but it cannot change the latter. It appears all but inevitable that the two will come into conflict, particularly as individuals and churches are confronted with demands to participate in and endorse civil marriages between same-sex couples.

The majority appears unmoved by that inevitability. It makes only a weak gesture toward religious liberty in a single paragraph, ante, at 27. And even that gesture indicates a misunderstanding of religious liberty in our Nation’s tradition. Religious liberty is about more than just the protection for "religious organizations and persons . . . as they seek to teach the principles that are so fulfilling and so central to their lives and faiths." Ibid. Religious liberty is about freedom of action in matters of religion generally, and the scope of that liberty is directly correlated to the civil restraints placed upon religious practice.7

That is -- religious conscience is more than just what we do in the two hours a week we spend in church. Though Kennedy reassures you that for those two hours, you are free to "advocate" for your bigoted, unsupportable, and evil views.

For now, anyway.

By the way, "Gay Star News" says only the "homophobic" could be upset by the video below of a young boy in whore make-up twerking to a song which seems to be chanting "I'm gay."


You know, as Anthony Kennedy says, the state is all about Love.

So when's the lawyer going to be finished with those National Divorce papers?


Posted by: Ace at 01:11 PM




Comments

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1 It's moving fast, now.

Posted by: rebel flounder at June 26, 2015 01:11 PM (Vf5rR)

2 Go long on torches and pitchforks.

Posted by: rebel flounder at June 26, 2015 01:12 PM (Vf5rR)

3 This was always the prize.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at June 26, 2015 01:13 PM (JgC5a)

4 This isn't even the endgame. That began decades ago. Assimilation will happen for everyone in the system - educational, economic, and political. For those outside the system, there will be destruction. For those partially in the system....your choice.

Posted by: some guy at June 26, 2015 01:13 PM (XHR9b)

5 Can we resurrect the CBF for the new rebellion, or is there too much taint on the old one. Anyone got flag designin skills?

Posted by: rebel flounder at June 26, 2015 01:14 PM (Vf5rR)

6 Could make for some fun at the local mosque...just sayin.
Or do they get a pass?

Posted by: tu3031 at June 26, 2015 01:14 PM (YFFpo)

7 Yep, they said 'slowly at first', but we're beyond that portion of the festivities. Strap in suckers.

Posted by: smaulz at June 26, 2015 01:14 PM (g+jFF)

8 What in the fuckitty fuck is that kid doing in that vid, and why isn't CPS busting down the doors?

Posted by: rebel flounder at June 26, 2015 01:15 PM (Vf5rR)

9 Time to go.
I need a break from the news.
Hang in there Morons.
Be well.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 26, 2015 01:15 PM (n6Nt0)

10 It's clear the United States has become untethered from it's Constitution and is no longer an amalgamation of states, so maybe it's time those states dissociate from each other.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 26, 2015 01:16 PM (TJCSB)

11 @dr spank - nice idea, but who will lead it? The state govs are in on the movement too.

Posted by: some guy at June 26, 2015 01:18 PM (XHR9b)

12
so now what?

repeal the 14th ammendment?

duck and cover?

Posted by: Yo! a thought criminal at June 26, 2015 01:18 PM (q+zA9)

13 Hubba hubba.

Posted by: Harry Reid at June 26, 2015 01:18 PM (CdIQH)

14 I'm going to wait to see what the state ends up doing but if they are ineffective, as I expect they will be, I will go to our church council meeting next month, or the one after that, and argue that we should not participate in the sham of state recognized marriage. Continue the sacrament as always, but don't sign off on the Certificate of State Sponsored Cohabitation or whatever the new thing will be called.

I think I can make a good argument Biblically.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 26, 2015 01:19 PM (rwI+c)

15 /

Posted by: Yo! at June 26, 2015 01:19 PM (q+zA9)

16
By the way, "Gay Star News" says only the "homophobic" could be upset by the video below of a young boy in whore make-up twerking to a song which seems to be chanting "I'm gay."

Again, this was never about loving, committed gay couples. This was about normalizing the dangerous, predatory, and self-destructive behaviors of the worst of "gay culture" and forcing them on the rest of socity, no matter what the damage.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 26, 2015 01:19 PM (OiH3z)

17 Actually, I'm disturbed by any children engaging in highly sexualized dancing/prancing.

As some folk say in my neck of the woods, "Hit ain't fittin'."

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 26, 2015 01:19 PM (/Ho8c)

18 Is this love, is this love I am feeling?

Posted by: Harry Reid at June 26, 2015 01:19 PM (CdIQH)

19 OMG

whose child is that

who taught him that

who dressed him like that

who let him hang out with those creepy adult males

OMG

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 01:20 PM (zOTsN)

20 Here's a weird question: Might Dylann Roof get his way after all? In the wake of one shooting, the left has felt so emboldened that they have stepped up every pet demand they've ever had on the cultural front, and are marching towards outlawing all forms of Conservatism so fast our side doesn't even comprehend that "business-as-usual" between the parties is probably gone forever in this country.

We may end up having that civil war after all. Not because of the shooting, but because of the Left's shocking, even terrifying overreach to capitalize on it.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 26, 2015 01:20 PM (S2VsH)

21 Common sense, universal, mandatory sodomy for the kids!

Posted by: oh,k,tnx,bye at June 26, 2015 01:20 PM (HK+Fk)

22 Recognition - > Tolerance - > Compulsion - > Corporal Compliance

Posted by: dogfish at June 26, 2015 01:20 PM (rdjj7)

23 I can't watch it. I won't watch it. Jesus H. weeping for the children Christ.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 26, 2015 01:20 PM (2Ojst)

24 So if Hillary is not going to protect black churches will that mean black Christians will not vote for her?

If there was ever a chance for the GOP to pick up black voters, this is it.

Posted by: Spudskie at June 26, 2015 01:20 PM (lasLk)

25 The sexualization of pre-teens is a good thing?

They weren't shitting when they said 'Let your freak flag fly"

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 26, 2015 01:20 PM (VPLuQ)

26 Only the very reasonable did not see this coming.

I find it very amusing. But, what do I know I'm prejudice and bigoted.

Posted by: nip at June 26, 2015 01:20 PM (a6Odp)

27 Marriage is now and always been a sacred union between two people destined to disappoint each other.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 26, 2015 01:21 PM (XhSez)

28 Intrigued by the repulsive Hillary's comment about "my LGBT".
Most people, if they have, say, 200 friendly acquaintances, would have 2-5 LGBT friends. That's not a lot. If only genuine friends are considered most heterosexual people wouldn't have any LGBT friends just based on numbers.
Now if Hillary said something about my vile, corrupt and criminal friends that would be a significant number.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 26, 2015 01:21 PM (Dsj62)

29 Because children in pagan Rome had it so good!

Posted by: Feh at June 26, 2015 01:21 PM (nqR7l)

30 Well, I, for one, am perfectly content to have Big Brother tell me what I can and cannot believe.

/sarc

Posted by: elaine at June 26, 2015 01:21 PM (Y0Piu)

31 "whose child is that

who taught him that

who dressed him like that

who let him hang out with those creepy adult males "

His gay parents. Duh.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at June 26, 2015 01:21 PM (JgC5a)

32 My sister-in-law's young brother was a homosexual and the "female" in the relationship.

He died of AIDS years ago, but before that, he'd been hospitalized for a torn rectum.

Hate to throw water on all the joy.

Posted by: Supreme Being at June 26, 2015 01:21 PM (SJ184)

33 It's just getting started.

Posted by: Roman Polanski at June 26, 2015 01:21 PM (AWijS)

34 that poor boy

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 01:21 PM (zOTsN)

35 whose child is that


Adam and Steve's.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 26, 2015 01:22 PM (oVJmc)

36 Begone, foul sock.

Posted by: OregonMuse at June 26, 2015 01:22 PM (AWijS)

37 They want to bring back the rule of Caligula...

...and they call right-wingers "backward"!

Posted by: RKae at June 26, 2015 01:22 PM (F+umO)

38 Guessing that boy is the adopted son of a "loving and stable gay couple."

Posted by: @votermom at June 26, 2015 01:22 PM (cbfNE)

39 I'm of the firm belief this has happened to distract from the ruling on obamacare...but maybe that's just me

Posted by: Connor at June 26, 2015 01:22 PM (TRPeZ)

40 Goat-raping Mohammed. That video.

And remember when it was *just* going to be the confederate flags? Now it's the memorials.

Now the churches and synagogues (not the mosques, of course) will be forced to perform gay marriages. And, of course, photographers and bakers have already been run out of business.

Camel + nose + tent. We're way past that.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 26, 2015 01:22 PM (FsuaD)

41 Does not affect me so it is no problem.

Posted by: Mr. Doo Doo at June 26, 2015 01:23 PM (OD2ni)

42 >>> who let him hang out with those creepy adult males

Who filmed it and put it up on gaystarnews?

Posted by: Bigby's Nintendo Power Glove at June 26, 2015 01:23 PM (3ZtZW)

43 why isn't CPS busting down the doors?
Posted by: rebel flounder at June 26, 2015 01:15 PM


Because gay.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 26, 2015 01:23 PM (h4vJk)

44 He died of AIDS years ago, but before that, he'd been hospitalized for a torn rectum.

----

They can scream "equality" all they want, but an anus is NOT equal to a vagina.

Posted by: RKae at June 26, 2015 01:23 PM (F+umO)

45 and lord above who is the fat fuck in the glitter striped t shirt egging him on

is that his abuser

that poor kid

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 01:23 PM (zOTsN)

46 Erotic performance of a child right there

Posted by: Bigby's Nintendo Power Glove at June 26, 2015 01:23 PM (3ZtZW)

47 Folsom Street goes nationwide baby!!!!

*thud twitch gack*

Anthropoid family relationships seem to shape the way anthropoids understand a horde of other matters. - An Anthropologist's Notes, F. XV

pg. 168. Beyond Humanity. Justin Leiber. Tor. 1987.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 26, 2015 01:23 PM (fEYIa)

48 Remember when Malor used to routinely chide everyone in that unjustifiably condescending tone for speculating that this would happen?


Good times, good times.


Slippery slope is a fallacy, these clowns argue.


No, some of us are just able to grasp the consequences of actions better than others.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 26, 2015 01:23 PM (xSCb6)

49
14 I'm going to wait to see what the state ends up doing but if they are ineffective, as I expect they will be, I will go to our church council meeting next month, or the one after that, and argue that we should not participate in the sham of state recognized marriage. Continue the sacrament as always, but don't sign off on the Certificate of State Sponsored Cohabitation or whatever the new thing will be called.

I think I can make a good argument Biblically.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 26, 2015 01:19 PM (rwI+c)

I agree. I think there's a difference between the sacrament of marriage in the eyes of God and the legal documents.

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 26, 2015 01:23 PM (Dsj62)

50 19 OMG

whose child is that

who taught him that

who dressed him like that

who let him hang out with those creepy adult males

OMG



Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 01:20 PM (zOTsN)


Who do you think his 'parents' are?

Posted by: BB Wolf at June 26, 2015 01:24 PM (qh617)

51 43 That would be racist against Edomites.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 26, 2015 01:24 PM (CdIQH)

52 Now the churches and synagogues (not the mosques, of course) will be forced to perform gay marriages.

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Mosques won't have to because any time a "wonderful new law" is passed, the friends of Obama ask for a waiver.

Posted by: RKae at June 26, 2015 01:24 PM (F+umO)

53 By the way, "Gay Star News" says only the "homophobic" could be upset by the video below of a young boy in whore make-up twerking to a song which seems to be chanting "I'm gay."

You stupid socons are so intolerant. That is just a wonderful video. Made me hard.

Posted by: Moo Moo at June 26, 2015 01:24 PM (zt+N6)

54 I'm glad I can't see that video.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 26, 2015 01:24 PM (eEb+d)

55 where was that video made

what state/city

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 01:24 PM (zOTsN)

56 If you don't embrace that boy you will never win another election.

Posted by: Oh my achin' Huck at June 26, 2015 01:24 PM (W5DcG)

57 The statutory rape laws rather arbitrary about age, doncha think? Really, should it be up to the government to say any two beings can't be in love?

Posted by: OCBill at June 26, 2015 01:25 PM (cPg42)

58 Bet the house and the car that "mosques" will be exempt from all these rules, but "churches" will not.

But it's OK, the proles have the Kardashians to keep them busy.

/more Soma for everyone! All hail Big Brother!

Posted by: shibumi, RIP USA at June 26, 2015 01:25 PM (GwjEG)

59 Errrr, ace. I clicked on the video (sweet jeebus) and it was then followed by a bunch of gay pron links.

Ugh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 26, 2015 01:25 PM (FsuaD)

60
No, some of us are just able to grasp the consequences of actions better than others.


They know full well.

They lie. Including Gabe.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 26, 2015 01:25 PM (oVJmc)

61 "why isn't CPS busting down the doors? "

Why would they.

Both his parents are there,
and he's wearing sun screen.



Sheesh.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 26, 2015 01:25 PM (VPLuQ)

62 I'm glad I can't see that video.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy
---------------

I didn't even try.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 26, 2015 01:25 PM (9mTYi)

63 Clinton isn't going to commit to anything.
Or else she'll get the " I was before it before I was against it" treatment & she's flailing in her campaign. Who has two announcements?

Posted by: Carol at June 26, 2015 01:25 PM (sj3Ax)

64 Heh Hollowpoint.

I don't need to be married to disappoint.



Posted by: SMFH at it all at June 26, 2015 01:25 PM (kmtse)

65 Can we resurrect the CBF for the new rebellion, or is there too much taint on the old one. Anyone got flag designin skills?



Gonzales Flag. Ol' "Come Take It"

Posted by: rickb223 at June 26, 2015 01:25 PM (kSbCG)

66 that kid looks no older than 11

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 01:25 PM (zOTsN)

67 Jello, Kelloggs, Miller, AA, Cheerios, Allstate among other companies celebrating this perversion.

Bill Cosby and Jello are starting a cherry flavored-date rape pudding.

Posted by: Birthers are right at June 26, 2015 01:26 PM (6zSiC)

68 So, under and over on Legal Polygamy? I'm going with 5 years. It has a much longer cultural pedigree and geographic acceptance than the new mandatory.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 26, 2015 01:26 PM (rwI+c)

69 You sure that isn't Miley Cyrus in the video?

Posted by: Barack Obama at June 26, 2015 01:26 PM (6qR/9)

70 Marriage is now and always been a sacred union between two people destined to disappoint each other.

Adding that to my list of Horde-inspired embroidered samplers.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 26, 2015 01:26 PM (ZKzrr)

71 5 Can we resurrect the CBF for the new rebellion, or is there too much taint on the old one. Anyone got flag designin skills?

You might like the one on this blog:
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-game-of-thought-police.html#links

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 26, 2015 01:26 PM (0NdlF)

72 The homo activists are saying that you can have your religious beliefs, but you cannot impose them on others. In other words, you can believe what you want, but you cannot act on those beliefs, or in practice, even express them, without ending up in court. But even that isn't correct. As we saw in the case of Brendan Eich and others, merely letting it be known - even inadvertently - that you hold a thought, will leave you open to the imposition of an economic and social death penalty, if not by the state, then by the SJW Red Guards.

Posted by: despair at June 26, 2015 01:26 PM (J6suc)

73 where was that video made

what state/city

Posted by: ThunderB

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Doesn't matter. It's now Main Street, USA.

Posted by: RKae at June 26, 2015 01:26 PM (F+umO)

74 8
What in the fuckitty fuck is that kid doing in that vid, and why isn't CPS busting down the doors?
--------------
CPS won't be allowed to do anything about it at all soon. You can thank the Supreme Court for that.

Posted by: exdem13 at June 26, 2015 01:27 PM (ry4ab)

75 My God. That video.


Guaranteed he was adopted by gay parents.


But there's nothing wrong with that of course!

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 26, 2015 01:27 PM (xSCb6)

76 I have a better idea. Let's get rid of all charitable tax-exemptions and the charitable tax deduction.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 01:27 PM (gmeXX)

77 Politico article already up: now let's work on polygamy. Soon after: "Now lets lower that age of consent for those tight young bois."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 01:27 PM (39g3+)

78 Mmmm....Pudding!

Posted by: Jerry Sandusky at June 26, 2015 01:27 PM (6zSiC)

79 >>> pg. 168. Beyond Humanity. Justin Leiber. Tor. 1987.

He should go back to doing music

Posted by: Bigby's Nintendo Power Glove at June 26, 2015 01:27 PM (3ZtZW)

80
Applause is mandatory.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 26, 2015 01:27 PM (79zi+)

81 I praise that kid for getting his sexy freak-on as God intended.

Posted by: Harry Reid at June 26, 2015 01:27 PM (TJCSB)

82 55 where was that video made

what state/city
Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 01:24 PM (zOTsN)

Its in brazil... saw it on weazzip the other day.

Posted by: cajun caret at June 26, 2015 01:27 PM (UZQM8)

83 It's moving fast, now.

Posted by: rebel flounder at June 26, 2015 01:11 PM (Vf5rR)


Yup.

Posted by: The Falconere at June 26, 2015 01:27 PM (7YlUk)

84 that poor kid

You know what we need? A law that says you can't expose children to adult sexual things.

"Contributing to the delinquency of a minor" would be a great name for it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 26, 2015 01:27 PM (eEb+d)

85 Can't wait till Johnny McGayMarriage explains this to his local Imam.

Posted by: Dave at June 26, 2015 01:27 PM (Tmw+E)

86 that kid will be dead before he is 30

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 01:27 PM (zOTsN)

87 Oh that video. Of that poor little boy.

So awful. Imagine the horrors he's seen and experienced. It makes me sick inside every time I see him. I just want to wade in there with an axe handle and get him somewhere safe.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 01:28 PM (39g3+)

88 Adding that to my list of Horde-inspired embroidered samplers.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier

----

My favorite:

Don't get married. Just find a woman you despise and buy her a house.

Posted by: RKae at June 26, 2015 01:28 PM (F+umO)

89 What in the fuckitty fuck is that kid doing in that vid, and why isn't CPS busting down the doors?

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Sorry we were busy busting up this family that had the audacity to let their 11 year old child walk home alone from school. Those parents were real monsters.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 01:28 PM (gmeXX)

90 Great for the divorce lawyers...lots more customers

Posted by: Colin at June 26, 2015 01:28 PM (VVrB8)

91 They Mixed the Gadsden and the Confederate Battle Flag.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 26, 2015 01:28 PM (CdIQH)

92 ...Down the rabbit hole, through the looking glass, past Orwell's place and Caligula's is just on your left.

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at June 26, 2015 01:28 PM (OQ9R7)

93 Who do you think his 'parents' are?

A "normal" gay couple, just like you and me.

Blood deserves to be spilt over some of the things done in this nation today.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 26, 2015 01:28 PM (0NdlF)

94 that kid will be dead before he is 30

Posted by: ThunderB

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And we will be blamed.

Posted by: RKae at June 26, 2015 01:28 PM (F+umO)

95 @14 @49


Perhaps a true separation of Church from State is the way to go. Only let the Church provide the impetus for the separation.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 26, 2015 01:28 PM (mvenn)

96 activists are saying that you can have your religious beliefs, but you cannot impose them on others.

Their beliefs, OTOH, are the law of the land.

Not just the gay activists; all the different lefty causes.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 26, 2015 01:28 PM (ZKzrr)

97
and why isn't CPS busting down the doors?

--

Are you kidding? CPS is going to be busting down the doors of Christian parents and taking their kids.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 26, 2015 01:28 PM (79zi+)

98 Isn't Hillary on tape saying Christians are going to have to change some of their beliefs?

She was ahead of the curve, considering these recent SCOTUS decisions. One nation, under SCOTUS.

Posted by: Illiniwek at June 26, 2015 01:29 PM (8bK1p)

99 Hey Slap : )

Posted by: SMFH at it all at June 26, 2015 01:29 PM (kmtse)

100 #5 Posted by: rebel flounder at June 26, 2015 01:14 PM (Vf5rR)

The Gadsen works just fine for me.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 26, 2015 01:29 PM (S2VsH)

101 Lots of twink dong linked after the video. Sheesh.

Posted by: NCKate at June 26, 2015 01:30 PM (bP6xm)

102 65
Can we resurrect the CBF for the new rebellion, or is there too much taint on the old one. Anyone got flag designin skills?







Gonzales Flag. Ol' "Come Take It"
------------

Yeah, remake the Gonzales flag with a tricked-out AR-15, it will do.

Posted by: exdem13 at June 26, 2015 01:30 PM (ry4ab)

103 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 26, 2015 01:30 PM (kff5f)

104 re: the vid.... folks should really look up what the Green Party in Germany did with their pedo kindergarten programe in the 60s/early 70s.. it's coming here before too long.

Posted by: Phil at June 26, 2015 01:30 PM (39FGM)

105 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 26, 2015 01:30 PM (kff5f)

106 I weep for what is lost.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 26, 2015 01:30 PM (/Ho8c)

107 It's a strange love that doesn't exist unless the State approves it.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 26, 2015 01:30 PM (rwI+c)

108 Slapweasel, you forgot just a bit.

Pope Alexander's Night of the Chestnuts.

When they finally top the Borgias, we will truly know we are in Gehenna

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 26, 2015 01:30 PM (fEYIa)

109 Howdy, SMFH!

Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at June 26, 2015 01:30 PM (OQ9R7)

110 Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 01:20 PM (zOTsN)

Probably adopted.

Posted by: Not Loved Time to be Feared at June 26, 2015 01:30 PM (nRvEn)

111 Looks like the church is going to get a fresh crop of martyrs.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - If your right eyebrow isn't twitching you simply don't care. at June 26, 2015 01:30 PM (hLRSq)

112 Gadsen, Gonzales, Culpepper are all good choices.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 26, 2015 01:30 PM (/Ho8c)

113 so someone says its Brazil

not here

yet

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 01:31 PM (zOTsN)

114 Isn't Hillary on tape saying Christians are going to have to change some of their beliefs?

I thought she was talking about stabbing babies in the brain with scissors?

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 26, 2015 01:31 PM (ZKzrr)

115 Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 26, 2015 01:20 PM (S2

How ironic it would be if that civil war he wanted turner out instead to unite black and white people against all of this new weirdness!

Posted by: Chilling the most at June 26, 2015 01:31 PM (zW5rQ)

116 Bonny Blue isn't a bad choice, either--has much less baggage that its cousins.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 26, 2015 01:31 PM (/Ho8c)

117 I'm not feeling all that bad anymore about being a hermit.

Seems that it will cause me less problems in the near future.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at June 26, 2015 01:31 PM (kmtse)

118 That kid will be of legal age shortly.

Leftist pieces of shit.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 26, 2015 01:31 PM (fWAjv)

119 Yes, well, if churches didn't buy into the hole "tax exempt" bullshit to begin with they wouldn't be in the pickle they're in and it wouldn't be an issue.

Here's what I want to know, how are the leftists going to deal with it when the Islamist refuse to deal with this? Will they call Islamists homophobes or will they call themselves Islamophobes? Doh! I'm going to need more popcorn. And butter.

Posted by: halodoc at June 26, 2015 01:32 PM (Fzbp3)

120 I'm not feeling all that bad anymore about being a hermit.

Happiness is clear fire lanes.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 26, 2015 01:32 PM (rwI+c)

121 Lord forbid an eleven year-old should be caught playing basketball in his fenced backyard before his parents come home from work.

A "concerned" neighbor calls the police and the kid is removed from the house.

But that poor kid in the video is a-okay, according to our Prog betters.

I give up.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 26, 2015 01:32 PM (FsuaD)

122 So my son graduated from The University of The South, an Episcopal university in Sewanne, TN.



Wonder what they are going to do with all the Confederate stain glass windows, the college seal, the streets named after the states of the Confederacy. The Mace with the battle flag on it.




Fun times baby, fun times.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 26, 2015 01:32 PM (0FSuD)

123 Hillary Clinton will never support gay marriage. Just look at the heartache and humiliation her traditional marriage has caused her.

Posted by: Fritz at June 26, 2015 01:32 PM (tQZfi)

124 120,

Hooah.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at June 26, 2015 01:32 PM (kmtse)

125 Sandbags: the forgotten friend.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 26, 2015 01:32 PM (rwI+c)

126
I know that is Brasil but I saw a documentary which said that the age most Argentinians loser their virginity is 11-12.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 26, 2015 01:33 PM (iQIUe)

127 Bottom line, the First Amendment is basically dead. There is no freedom of religion in America, except for the religion of PC, and probably Islam. Holding unapproved thoughts will be punished. Tyranny is here, totalitarianism is coming on very, very fast.

Posted by: despair at June 26, 2015 01:33 PM (J6suc)

128 Who the f*ck let this camel in here?

Posted by: LIVs at June 26, 2015 01:33 PM (kff5f)

129 >>> Lots of twink dong linked after the video. Sheesh.

*Thats* why its so quiet around here!

Posted by: Bigby's Nintendo Power Glove at June 26, 2015 01:33 PM (3ZtZW)

130 Jane D'oh @40


Rather than a camel's nose under the edge of the tent you can think of this in terms of battlefield strategy. They have breached the lines and are rushing in trying to exploit the breach with a headlong dash. A flanking maneuver rather than a head-on counter attack might be more effective. Failing that, subversive guerilla tactics.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 26, 2015 01:33 PM (mvenn)

131 But that poor kid in the video is a-okay, according to our Prog betters.

I give up.



Dear God,

How much is enough?

Signed,
Me

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 26, 2015 01:33 PM (eEb+d)

132 118
That kid will be of legal age shortly.



Leftist pieces of shit.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 26, 2015 01:31 PM (fWAjv)

What do you mean, shortly? He looks good to me.

Posted by: Harry Reid, Pederast at June 26, 2015 01:33 PM (0FSuD)

133 Look at all of those churches that were punished by the gov't for refusing to perform interracial weddings. Wait, there weren't any? Oh well then...

Posted by: Kracken at June 26, 2015 01:33 PM (ibvmu)

134 Like honestly, we are so focused on gay marriage ruling. What about obamacare ruling? THAT'S what matters

Posted by: Connor at June 26, 2015 01:34 PM (TRPeZ)

135 Happiness is clear fire lanes.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 26, 2015 01:32 PM


And Class V. Lots and lots of Class V.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 26, 2015 01:34 PM (h4vJk)

136 Yeah, remake the Gonzales flag with a tricked-out AR-15, it will do.



About a decade ago, one was purchased, shipped around to 2 dozen or more addresses in Texas and other states, signed, and Fed-exd to Kofi Annan at the UN.

Yes, I signed it. I was the last leg in Texas before I fed-exd it to Virginia.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 26, 2015 01:34 PM (kSbCG)

137 You know the old saying, "_____is richer than God."
She's not really.; She just thinks she is, so has absolutely no concern with what churches think. And Obama; he's his own god too.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 26, 2015 01:34 PM (OSs/l)

138 If you want to fight a civil war the two targets you need to destroy are the media and academia. The government, as you can see, is made of pudding that just wants to be paid and affirmed.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at June 26, 2015 01:34 PM (oDCMR)

139 we forget but in most of the world

the world we are supposed to conform to

life is very cheap

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 01:34 PM (zOTsN)

140 I just made a recommendation to my church board that we make a rule that our pastor will perform marriage ceremonies for church members only. I'm hopeful that that will keep us from the litigants.

Posted by: California Girl at June 26, 2015 01:34 PM (l+qoZ)

141 We may end up having that civil war after all. Not
because of the shooting, but because of the Left's shocking, even
terrifying overreach to capitalize on it.


Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 26, 2015 01:20 PM (S2VsH)

I pray, as an agnostic, that you are wrong. But I feel in my heart you are right.

Posted by: rebel flounder at June 26, 2015 01:34 PM (Vf5rR)

142

This, too.

Clinton Lawyer, Soros Back Anti-Voter ID Lawsuits

freebeacon.com

Anyone can vote. No such thing as rule of law now.

The police are being attacked. The border security is being attacked.

There is no rule of law, nor enforcement of it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 26, 2015 01:34 PM (qCMvj)

143 Tu3031,
I'm sure mosques get a break, after they are a peaceful religion, unlike Catholics, Protestants & all Christians.

I read comments & I'm not clicking on link.

Posted by: Carol at June 26, 2015 01:35 PM (sj3Ax)

144 Getting churches out of the "marriage business" doesn't solve the problem (as if retreat ever solved a problem against the SJW).

Because, if they are faithful, they still have to practice their faith in other areas. The housing and adoption areas have been mentioned: They are now committing a violation of civil rights if they refuse to offer those to homosexual couples.

But even in a more specific sense: They still have to preach that homosexual acts are sins.

And under the current rubric of anti-discrimination laws, that is encouraging and/or practicing discrimination.

And even if the churches give up their tax-exempt status--they are still going to be sued into destruction unless they relent and recant the plain language of the Bible and God.

There is no safe harbor for religion anymore except in going on offense--they must fight or die.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 26, 2015 01:35 PM (ZvKdv)

145 That kid is seriously creeping me out. I'm pretty open minded on things, but dang, modern culture is turning me into a massively cranky prude, and I'm barely into my 30s. The next few decades are gonna be funnnnnnn...

Posted by: LizLem, Flynn for the Win! at June 26, 2015 01:35 PM (hvf9s)

146 activists are saying that you can have your religious beliefs, but you cannot impose them on others.

Even as they impose theirs on others.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 26, 2015 01:35 PM (oVJmc)

147 The decision only affects civil marriage. Has the gov't of this country at any level ever forced any church to ever perform any wedding ceremony? No. None. Not ever.

Posted by: Kracken at June 26, 2015 01:35 PM (ibvmu)

148 So far the gaystapo has only challenged the religious liberties of U.S. Christians.

When will they demand that U.S. mosques host their gay weddings, or that U.S. imams preside, or that Muslim bakers bake them a 2-groom cake?

If they truly believe in their cause, then surely they're willing to be tossed off a building for it, right?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 26, 2015 01:35 PM (kGrdk)

149 Google:

Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse + Family Research Council

Jello, American Airlines, Kelloggs, AllState, and Miller support child sexual abuse.

Posted by: Jerry Sandusky at June 26, 2015 01:35 PM (6zSiC)

150 96 activists are saying that you can have your religious beliefs, but you cannot impose them on others.

Their beliefs, OTOH, are the law of the land.

===

Yes. I believe the term is "Theocracy".

Posted by: despair at June 26, 2015 01:35 PM (J6suc)

151 >>>> Gadsen, Gonzales, Culpepper are all good choices.

Sons of Liberty. Cryptic as all get out.

Posted by: Bigby's Nintendo Power Glove at June 26, 2015 01:35 PM (3ZtZW)

152 Saw a Honda driving down the road with a nice bumper sticker.


"Obama Sucks" Seriously.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 26, 2015 01:36 PM (0FSuD)

153 I just made a recommendation to my church board that we make a rule that our pastor will perform marriage ceremonies for church members only. I'm hopeful that that will keep us from the litigants.

Posted by: California Girl

----

Or have a set ceremony that you cannot budge from.

Posted by: RKae at June 26, 2015 01:36 PM (F+umO)

154 Like honestly, we are so focused on gay marriage ruling.

People are concerned about both. You didn't see the massive comments about Obamacare Both are examples of massive overreach, but perhaps that doesn't matter as long as you support gay marriage?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 26, 2015 01:36 PM (OSs/l)

155 The religious freedom part needs to use a Mosque for the test case, to see what SCOTUS is really made of. A gay marriage at a Mosque, with demands from a Muslim photographer and Muslim baker. I have my rights ....

Posted by: Illiniwek at June 26, 2015 01:36 PM (8bK1p)

156 So when's the lawyer going to be finished with those National Divorce papers?

Pa-yow!!

Now, we're talking ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 26, 2015 01:36 PM (MYSVz)

157 From prior thread: Whatever this would look like, if in a given state marriage is reduced
simply to a contract between husband and...whatever...would that give
churches an out from having to participate? Yes, they can legally marry,
and social pressure against noncompliants would be vicious and massive.
But what force besides the IRS (and that only to the ones with 501c3)
could the feds conceivably levy?

I know we're now in "all bets are off" territory but figured it's worth asking.

Posted by: Doomed at June 26, 2015 01:36 PM (bGLSw)

158 So when's the lawyer going to be finished with those National Divorce papers?
Soon I hope.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition greatest thing since before sliced bread at June 26, 2015 01:36 PM (R8hU8)

159 That video. The story of Obama.

Posted by: Old Hob at June 26, 2015 01:36 PM (FFIoe)

160 Progress! My dog Clem is 8. If he makes it to 12 or 13, we may finally realize our dream of marriage.

I LOVE doggies. What could possibly be wrong with that?

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at June 26, 2015 01:36 PM (l2Gqi)

161 Christians: you will be made to submit. The state knows all.

Posted by: Insert Clever Name Here at June 26, 2015 01:36 PM (xptlg)

162 It won't be long before priests and pastors will have to submit their sermons to government authorities for approval.

Posted by: MacGruber at June 26, 2015 01:36 PM (FEAjO)

163 No. None. Not ever.yet

Posted by: Kracken


FIFY.


Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 26, 2015 01:36 PM (/Ho8c)

164 This is the burning by the way.


Constant degradation of the family - burning.


China stealing the most intimate secrets of every government employee - burning.


Government printing presses running non-stop - burning.


Enemies emboldened around the world - burning.


LIB is simply an acknowledgement of the burning. In case anyone was wondering what burning looked like, this is kind of it.


Sorry there was no official kick-off event.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at June 26, 2015 01:37 PM (AC0lD)

165 I'm not sure how not approving of twerking lad is homophobic. There are plenty of videos on the intertubez of black kids younger than him dirty dancing. And in both instances, adults are, rightly I think, disturbed by it.

Just like when 8 year old girls go out dressed like strippers.

Oh, but you can only be judged by the clothes you wear if it's part of today's two-minute hate.

Posted by: Chupacabras at June 26, 2015 01:37 PM (V40IZ)

166 Another thought re: the vid... Anyone remember The Advocate magazine's mascot from the 70s? Hint...it was an underage boy in a sexualized pose like the vid.

Posted by: Phil at June 26, 2015 01:37 PM (39FGM)

167 no

AME

the one in Charleston, let them challenge

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 01:37 PM (zOTsN)

168 If you want to fight a civil war the two targets you need to destroy are the media and academia. The government, as you can see, is made of pudding that just wants to be paid and affirmed.

I can think of a few easier targets: any Soros backed organization, like Media Matters, Open Society, OFA, et cetera.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 26, 2015 01:37 PM (eEb+d)

169
Has any Brazilian officials checked on the welfare of that boy??

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 26, 2015 01:38 PM (iQIUe)

170 What do you mean, shortly? He looks good to me.

Posted by: Harry Reid, Pederast at June 26, 2015 01:33 PM (0FSuD)

Not saying he will be older and legal but that the legal will be dropped to whatever age he is.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 26, 2015 01:38 PM (fWAjv)

171 Has the gov't of this country at any level ever forced any church to ever perform any wedding ceremony.

We're in the land of "Hope and Change now"; It's a whole new world.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 26, 2015 01:38 PM (OSs/l)

172 Now that they got their way, does this mean that the unwritten rule requiring every TV series contain a gay subplot no longer needs to be enforced?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 26, 2015 01:38 PM (XhSez)

173 I'm sure mosques get a break, after they are a peaceful religion, unlike Catholics, Protestants & all Christians.

----

And friends of Obama always celebrate a "wonderful new law" by asking for a waiver.

It's sort of a tradition now.

Posted by: RKae at June 26, 2015 01:38 PM (F+umO)

174 Wonder what they are going to do with all the Confederate stain glass windows, the college seal, the streets named after the states of the Confederacy. The Mace with the battle flag on it.

Fun times baby, fun times.
Posted by: Nip Sip at June 26, 2015 01:32 PM


We have a few ideas we'd like to share with you.

Posted by: Kristallnacht at June 26, 2015 01:38 PM (h4vJk)

175 Like honestly, we are so focused on gay marriage ruling. What about obamacare ruling? THAT'S what matters

It's all apiece. Who can catch the smoke of the dead Constitution burning?

I'm still recommending Withdrawal of Consent. The government relies on the voluntary cooperation of Good Citizens.

As we see, Good Citizens are chumps.

Do only what you are compelled to do. Volunteer nothing. Cheat the government at every opportunity. Pay in cash with a winkwink. If you know of tax cheats, keep you mouth shut. If called to jury on thought crimes, refuse to convict. Vote against all tax levies, particularly school levies. Stop buying things. Pay off all debts.

etc etc

They need us more than we do them.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 26, 2015 01:39 PM (rwI+c)

176 It goes without saying that churches that refuse gay marriage will lose tax-exempt status. That will be the least of their problems.

No marriage performed in said church will be recognized by the state. Church members will be denied govt employment. No public display of church symbols. Harassment of the church the way the govt. used to harass communists and other subversives. And much more.

Even 10 years ago I thought this would not be possible. Not any more.

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at June 26, 2015 01:39 PM (1BQGO)

177 I'm listening to Rush for last time on WRKO & I hope their ratings crater. They dropped him for dull & jerk local host from 12-3. I'm only listening to Howie Carr on station.
Rush is moving to another station.

Posted by: Carol at June 26, 2015 01:39 PM (sj3Ax)

178 Reggie and O'Maobama can get married today in that church.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 26, 2015 01:39 PM (CdIQH)

179 The same slippery slope arguments were made when Loving v. Virginia made interracial marriage legal in all 50 states. Churches were going to be forced to perform interracial marriage ceremonies. Those who would not comply would be arrested, fined, stripped of their tax free status, and/or jailed. Of course this never happened. And yet the slippery slope here is definitely going to happen. The conspiracy theory paranoia is off the charts today.

Posted by: Kracken at June 26, 2015 01:39 PM (ibvmu)

180 64
Heh Hollowpoint.



I don't need to be married to disappoint.









Posted by: SMFH at it all at June 26, 2015 01:25 PM (kmtse)

At least being single, you still get the chance.

Posted by: rebel flounder at June 26, 2015 01:39 PM (Vf5rR)

181 Has the gov't of this country at any level ever forced any church to ever perform any wedding ceremony? No. None. Not ever.

Posted by: Kracken at June 26, 2015 01:35 PM (ibvmu)

They never compelled you to bake a cake before, either.You know you're lying when you claim compulsion isn't next.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 26, 2015 01:39 PM (oVJmc)

182 Brazil routinely throws away scores of boys like this who live on the street

that boy is prolly a prostitute already

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 01:39 PM (zOTsN)

183 Posted by: MacGruber at June 26, 2015 01:36 PM (FEAjO)

Mayor of Houston (?) tried that. She won't be the last.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 26, 2015 01:39 PM (OSs/l)

184 Muslims already have a waiver from Obamacare. Because special.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 26, 2015 01:39 PM (FsuaD)

185 who let him hang out with those creepy adult males



OMG





Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 01:20 PM (zOTsN)


The state adoption system likely gave him to be raised by those creepy adult males (cause te gheys are just as good parents as a married mom and dad).

Posted by: redbanzai at June 26, 2015 01:40 PM (OrI3J)

186 "140 I just made a recommendation to my church board that we make a rule that our pastor will perform marriage ceremonies for church members only. I'm hopeful that that will keep us from the litigants."

Only if you restrict who can join the church, and reject those who are or "become" "gay". Good luck with that.

Posted by: despair at June 26, 2015 01:40 PM (J6suc)

187 activists are saying that you can have your religious beliefs, but you cannot impose them on others."

Yes. I believe the term is "Theocracy".'

Try American Dhimmitude

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 26, 2015 01:40 PM (VPLuQ)

188 The conspiracy theory paranoia is off the charts today

I'm glad you have such a benign view of the Obama administration after the past six years.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 26, 2015 01:40 PM (OSs/l)

189 Someone asked why CPS isn't protecting this child?

Because they're too busy going after parents who let their kids walk home from school alone.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at June 26, 2015 01:41 PM (+XMAD)

190 The decision only affects civil marriage. Has the gov't of this country at any level ever forced any church to ever perform any wedding ceremony? No. None. Not ever.
Posted by: Kracken at June 26, 2015 01:35 PM (ibvmu)
____________________

Your argument is specious.

Until a few years ago, had any state or local government in the U.S. ever fined a business thousands of dollars and/or revoked their business license for refusing to provide photography or cake-baking services to a gay wedding? No, but that didn't stop it from happening, did it?

And until today, there was no constitutional right to a gay marriage. So the attempts to force churches to perform gay weddings will be coming; it's just a matter of time.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 26, 2015 01:41 PM (kGrdk)

191

CAIR - see it's not a problem with us. We just kill them.

We will enjoy our tax subsidies. Or else.

But, we cair. Religion of peace.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 26, 2015 01:41 PM (qCMvj)

192 The conspiracy theory paranoia is off the charts today.

Posted by: Kracken


Perhaps you may have noticed it's not 1967 anymore.

I doubt a bakery would've been put out of business for refusing to bake a cake for an interracial couple in 1967.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 26, 2015 01:41 PM (/Ho8c)

193 How can I pursue happiness if I can't drive home from the bar drunk?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 26, 2015 01:41 PM (XUKZU)

194 153 I just made a recommendation to my church board that we make a rule that our pastor will perform marriage ceremonies for church members only. I'm hopeful that that will keep us from the litigants.

--

Won't help when you get that one gay member who decides to get married.

Posted by: @votermom at June 26, 2015 01:41 PM (cbfNE)

195 ***"The decision only affects civil marriage. Has the gov't of this country
at any level ever forced any church to ever perform any wedding
ceremony? No. None. Not ever."***


Gotta love the simple stupidity of the "It's never happened before" argument.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 26, 2015 01:41 PM (xSCb6)

196 The decision only affects civil marriage. Has the gov't of this country at any level ever forced any church to ever perform any wedding ceremony? No. None. Not ever.

I don't recall the government of this country issuing death threats to pizzeria workers or bankrupting florists and photographers for their views either.

It still happened.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 26, 2015 01:41 PM (eEb+d)

197 We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They shall be recast in our image. They will come to crave us and adore us. - quote from the Homosexual Manifesto, by Michael Swift published in The Gay Community News, Feb. 1987

And here we are today.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 26, 2015 01:41 PM (fWAjv)

198 "honestly today just thinking about what this means for my LGBT friends."

They're subjects, not citizens, just like the rest of us....

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 26, 2015 01:42 PM (ZKzrr)

199 True, churches were not penalized if they did not support inter-racial marraige... BUT! There was not a thing called federal hate(thought) crime laws then either.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at June 26, 2015 01:42 PM (agq3q)

200 Posted by: Kracken

----

There's nothing in the Bible about interracial couples. It was Southern culture, not Christianity.

There's plenty in there condemning homosexuality.

Posted by: RKae at June 26, 2015 01:42 PM (F+umO)

201 "The conspiracy theory paranoia is off the charts today."

Bad analogy. Interracial (there's only one race, btw) marriage as such was never forbidden in the Bible. Homosexuality in any and all contexts is condemned, cover to cover.

Posted by: Doomed at June 26, 2015 01:42 PM (bGLSw)

202 Missed the whole shooting match on this early today (probably a good thing), but I just want to know if it is ok to make fun of homosexuals now. Or are they still little special snowflakes in our society?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 26, 2015 01:42 PM (ODxAs)

203 Great, just great. Now we're going to get worried over something Karen Finney said? Karen Finney?! Really?

And why am I not surprised that Shrillary has as a top advisor some halfwit who gets naked in public and smears herself with chocolate and calls it art . . .

Posted by: Furious George, channeling Emily Litella at June 26, 2015 01:43 PM (UlJ3l)

204 the fed will tax them, fine them, emminent domain them, harrass them, zone them, inspect them, OSHA them, Obamacare them

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 01:43 PM (zOTsN)

205 I was just re-tweeted by Antonin Scalia. My day just got a little better

Posted by: Truck Monkey is a Mime..... Serious at June 26, 2015 01:43 PM (fLKzW)

206 I get so fucking tired of interracial marriage being compared to gay marriage.

My plumbing is no different from any other woman of a lighter melanin content, thus, I have two daughters that resulted from my marriage.


Posted by: SMFH at it all at June 26, 2015 01:43 PM (kmtse)

207 And lets not forget to thank Lyndon B. Johnson for that little law that allows the DoJ to prosecute churches for allowing their pastors to talk about politics, as defined by the State, from the pulpit.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 26, 2015 01:43 PM (fEYIa)

208 So the Knights Of Columbus will be forced to include Gays.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 26, 2015 01:44 PM (CxEX+)

209 147 The decision only affects civil marriage. Has the gov't of this country at any level ever forced any church to ever perform any wedding ceremony? No. None. Not ever.

===

Has the government ever permitted two people of the same sex to marry one another? No. None. Not ever.

Posted by: despair at June 26, 2015 01:44 PM (J6suc)

210 Ghey parents "Always" love their childrens. Very much.




http://tinyurl.com/bo3ldpm

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 26, 2015 01:44 PM (0FSuD)

211 The "conspiracy theories" are alive and well because the impact of other recent similar decisions have metastatized and expanded far beyond what would be a reasonable limited interpretation. I see no reason why this will be any different.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 26, 2015 01:44 PM (/Ho8c)

212 All this news is making me want to get a new tattoo (last one of 4 total was 30-odd years ago). It might be an osprey flying away with a Confederate Battle Flag in one claw and a little girl's fluffy kitten in the other. What do y'all think?

Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2015 01:44 PM (go5uR)

213 Only if you restrict who can join the church, and reject those who are or "become" "gay". Good luck with that.

* * *

Yep. That solution is unworkable because it'll be easily circumvented by simple deceit.

Posted by: Doomed at June 26, 2015 01:44 PM (bGLSw)

214 Harry Reid is a pederast.

Posted by: OCBill at June 26, 2015 01:44 PM (Mj+FA)

215 187 activists are saying that you can have your religious beliefs, but you cannot impose them on others."

Sure. The Memories people were sure imposing their beliefs on all those gay couples who wanted their wedding catered by an Indiana pizza parlor.

Like the Taliban, they were.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at June 26, 2015 01:44 PM (+XMAD)

216 We may end up having that civil war after all. Not because of the shooting, but because of the Left's shocking, even terrifying overreach to capitalize on it.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 26, 2015 01:20 PM (S2VsH)

Boiling a frog slowly--slow enough so the frog doesn't know he's being boiled until it's too late--might be subtle, clever and effective, but it is also incredibly boring for the one doing the boiling. So yeah, after so many frogs sometimes you just say hell with it and crank that sucker up.

Posted by: troyriser at June 26, 2015 01:44 PM (S08gh)

217 Posted by: despair

Well played sir/madam.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 26, 2015 01:45 PM (/Ho8c)

218 Gotta love the simple stupidity of the "It's never happened before" argument.


And he knows he's lying, anyway. I'm done with allowing the coy pretense of wide-eyed shock at the idea. Only a liar or an abject fool would deny it's inevitable.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 26, 2015 01:45 PM (oVJmc)

219 You do realize that churches giving up their tax exempt status
will not protect them.

Churches in the wrong states or jurisdictions will be persecuted through zoning and property tax laws.

And I'm sure the federal jackboots will be able to come up with any and all avenues to harrass them.

Laws literally aren't worth the paper they are written.

The normal constitutional orde has been destroyed.

We are truly at a in the course of human events moment.

The union is dissolved.

Posted by: Kreplach at June 26, 2015 01:45 PM (mqYFN)

220 egads RWC where did you find that

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 01:45 PM (zOTsN)

221 Finally, we can now start production on all of our pre-pubescent boy meets boys love stories.

Family hour programming too!

Posted by: Disney at June 26, 2015 01:46 PM (6zSiC)

222 176
It goes without saying that churches that refuse gay marriage will lose
tax-exempt status. That will be the least of their problems.

Even 10 years ago I thought this would not be possible. Not any more.
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Yes, you are right. What is not forbidden is required, that is the way of the government. It is something I have repeatedly tried to explain to my parlor-pinko parents, who have been married 50 years now, have attended the same (Prog ELCA) church since 1981, and who don't understand what is happening to society since they were young.

Posted by: exdem13 at June 26, 2015 01:46 PM (ry4ab)

223
Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 26, 2015 01:30 PM (/Ho8c)

The flag currently on my flagpole at home is the version of the Gadsden with the snake striking with the caption "Time's Up".

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my hate cannot be found) at June 26, 2015 01:46 PM (O9qtX)

224 >>You know what we need? A law that says you can't expose children to adult sexual things.

Sexualizing children - the younger the better - is an integral part of implementing the plan. Feature not a bug.

Linked to this before, but if you haven't read it you really should:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2010/07/sex_and_state_power.html

Posted by: Lizzy at June 26, 2015 01:46 PM (NOIQH)

225 What we're doing to your unlubed anus? It's love. Just relax.

Posted by: The State, What Loves You at June 26, 2015 01:47 PM (RD7QR)

226 And lets not forget to thank Lyndon B. Johnson for that little law that allows the DoJ to prosecute SOME churches for allowing their pastors to talk about politics, as defined by the State, from the pulpit.


Fixed for accuracy.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 26, 2015 01:47 PM (kSbCG)

227 Plaintiffs bitching that today's ruling is not enough.
http://is.gd/24c7Oh

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 26, 2015 01:47 PM (ZKzrr)

228 205 Scalia isn't on Twitter, but a bunch of parody accounts are.

Posted by: @votermom at June 26, 2015 01:47 PM (cbfNE)

229 Interesting article on Hot Gas.

Says it's not about being pro-gay, it's about state controlled marriages.

And if the state can rule that gay marriages must be approved, it's a quick slide into polygamy.

Which I'm sure our Stealth Muslim Overlords will be happy about.

And that's what's really important. Keeping Muslims happy.

Posted by: shibumi, RIP USA at June 26, 2015 01:47 PM (GwjEG)

230 I was just re-tweeted by Antonin Scalia. My day just got a little better

Posted by: Truck Monkey is a Mime..... Serious at June 26, 2015 01:43 PM (fLKzW)

What did he re-tweet...

Posted by: redbanzai at June 26, 2015 01:47 PM (OrI3J)

231 @196


Religious freedom is what the government want to let it be period.


AKA, Bob Jones University.


http://tinyurl.com/o2ewv8f

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 26, 2015 01:47 PM (0FSuD)

232 What percentage of people are Gay? How many are going to marry?Can't be that many......

Posted by: donna at June 26, 2015 01:47 PM (Bn6aD)

233 >>>> was just re-tweeted by Antonin Scalia. My day just got a little better

it's a parody account

Posted by: ace at June 26, 2015 01:47 PM (bhepQ)

234 See this is what years upon years, decades even, of sniveling and groveling and bowing and scraping gets you. If someone with a backbone had stood up to this shit at the beginning, it wouldn't come to the violence it's going to come to.

Oh well. No one learns shit from history and why should this country be an exception.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 26, 2015 01:47 PM (oFCZn)

235 96 activists are saying that you can have your religious beliefs, but you cannot impose them on others.
_______________________

LOL. Right . . . you can have your religious beliefs, you just can't live your life or operate your business in accordance with those beliefs.

Freedom!

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 26, 2015 01:47 PM (kGrdk)

236 >>> We may end up having that civil war after all.

Nope.

Posted by: Bigby's Nintendo Power Glove at June 26, 2015 01:48 PM (3ZtZW)

237 from RSM

Bowers (1986) to Lawrence (2003) = 17 years
Lawrence to Windsor (2013) = 10 years
Windsor to Obergefell = 2 years

Accelerating down the slippery slope

Posted by: McCool at June 26, 2015 01:48 PM (nCSwS)

238 There is a substantial movement within American Christian churches to no
longer perform civil marriages on behalf of the government. There will
no longer be any signing of marriage licenses.

Any couple wishing to be legally married will need to do so at a government office or with a government approved friend or neighbor. Those wishing a church experience could do so, but it would be considered a "blessing" and not a marriage.

What
is potentially a giant unintended consequence of the SCOTUS decision is
that Christian couples may well begin refusing government-sactioned
marriages while pursuing church blessings instead... blessings that
would still pronounce them "husband and wife" without the "by the power
vested in me by the State of Indiana".

This could be big.

Posted by: The Fradgan at June 26, 2015 01:48 PM (ggBc/)

239
I think the first lawsuit against a church should result in an Article V convention just on the marriage issue alone. When the people vote, traditional marriage is almost always upheld.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 26, 2015 01:48 PM (ODxAs)

240 The union is dissolved.

But that doesn't affect any non-gay people one bit!

Posted by: Bovine Troll at June 26, 2015 01:49 PM (ZKzrr)

241 Joey wants to take Billy to the homecoming dance where they will share their first kiss. Tonight at 8:00/7:00 Central, ABC Family

Posted by: Disney at June 26, 2015 01:49 PM (6zSiC)

242 ***"That solution is unworkable because it'll be easily circumvented by simple deceit."***


And this is just the beginnings of the problem in categorizing homosexuality as a Protected Class. Racial categorizations are difficult enough to prove, but now we're going to have one based upon a personal declaration.


What could go wrong?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 26, 2015 01:49 PM (xSCb6)

243 "Wonder what they are going to do with all the Confederate stain glass windows, the college seal, the streets named after the states of the Confederacy. The Mace with the battle flag on it."

Think China, 1960's, Red Guards. This collapse and route feels like that.

Posted by: despair at June 26, 2015 01:49 PM (J6suc)

244 I predict very few of the already very small number of gays will actually chose to marry

this isnt about that

this was never about that

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 01:50 PM (zOTsN)

245 Incrementalists always ridicule the "slippery slope" argument.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at June 26, 2015 01:50 PM (4KoRb)

246 What we're doing to your unlubed anus unguarded border? It's love. Just relax.

-- Jeb

Posted by: Bigby's Nintendo Power Glove at June 26, 2015 01:50 PM (3ZtZW)

247 Lots of idiot Christians have been voting liberal democrat over the years and this is the result.

The repub primary electorate is so dumb they give us bush bush mcvain and flopney. And we wonder why things have gone wrong?

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, the Highlander at June 26, 2015 01:50 PM (COpZ4)

248 Also... how long before the Pope says gay marriage is OK?

I hate to say this as a Catholic, but I am not a fan of this Pope, and if he can somehow talk around it, I suspect he will.

Posted by: shibumi, RIP USA at June 26, 2015 01:50 PM (GwjEG)

249 There is no constitutional protection for bakers baking cakes. There is constitutional protection for churches engaging in purely religious activities like marriage ceremonies. The fevered fantasies of churches being forced to marry people are pure insanity. It's extremist paranoia based on absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Kracken at June 26, 2015 01:50 PM (ibvmu)

250 Posted by: Chilling the most at June 26, 2015 01:31 PM (zW5rQ)

You'll notice that I carefully chose the words "civil war" and not "race war". The left will only use people of color for as long as they are useful. The left is already finding Asians, with their odd penchants for excellence, family values, and success, to be problem more than a benefit. They will be re-cast as "greedy imperialists keeping REAL people of color down" before too long.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 26, 2015 01:50 PM (S2VsH)

251 Gotta love the simple stupidity of the "It's never happened before" argument.

They've only jailed bakers. They'd never jail clergy!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 26, 2015 01:50 PM (pUcjZ)

252 Forseeable consequences are not unintended.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at June 26, 2015 01:50 PM (WDCYi)

253 What percentage of people are Gay? How many are going to marry?Can't be that many......

The smaller the number, the greater the Moral Authority, and the greater upheaval the Left will sanction to accomodate it.

It's all about the upheaval.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 26, 2015 01:50 PM (oVJmc)

254 Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 26, 2015 01:47 PM (ZKzrr)

Well there's a surprise.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 26, 2015 01:51 PM (kff5f)

255 196
The decision only affects civil marriage. Has the gov't of this
country at any level ever forced any church to ever perform any wedding
ceremony? No. None. Not ever.



I don't recall the government of this country issuing death threats
to pizzeria workers or bankrupting florists and photographers for their
views either.



It still happened.
-----------------------------
It still happened, and the government chose not to enforce and uphold the rights of the accused, but stood by and offered tacit support to those threatening violence.

Posted by: exdem13 at June 26, 2015 01:51 PM (ry4ab)

256 >>And if the state can rule that gay marriages must be approved, it's a quick slide into polygamy.

This was always the plan - Cass Sunstein was writing justifications for polygamy back in 2003. Already planning the next step back then.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/938xpsxy.asp

Posted by: Lizzy at June 26, 2015 01:51 PM (NOIQH)

257 Well then there's that. So when God Re-tweeted me that wasn't really God? Damn.

Posted by: Truck Monkey is a Mime..... Serious at June 26, 2015 01:51 PM (fLKzW)

258

Thank goodness this is a big cooking/baking day.
It's my meditation.

with music of course...

try to enjoy your day as much as possible

as hard it might be for some

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 26, 2015 01:51 PM (qCMvj)

259 "Wonder what they are going to do with all the Confederate stain glass windows, the college seal, the streets named after the states of the Confederacy. The Mace with the battle flag on it."


Funny you should ask

http://tinyurl.com/npzyuaj

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 26, 2015 01:51 PM (VPLuQ)

260 If you read the comments on that video, the majority of them are something like "I'm gay and this is disgusting".

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 26, 2015 01:51 PM (0LHZx)

261 It's extremist paranoia based on absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Kracken at June 26, 2015 01:50 PM (ibvmu)

You're lying.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 26, 2015 01:51 PM (oVJmc)

262 96 activists are saying that you can have your religious beliefs, but you cannot impose them on others.
_______________________

LOL. Yes, you can have your religious beliefs -- but when your religious beliefs conflict with the beliefs of the LBGT fascists, your beliefs must always give way.

Fairness!

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 26, 2015 01:51 PM (kGrdk)

263 96 activists are saying that you can have your religious beliefs, but you cannot impose them on others.

----

It seems to me that saying "Go down the street to another bakery to get that cake" is pretty much the definition of not imposing your religious beliefs on others. It's withdrawing. It's recusing yourself

Posted by: RKae at June 26, 2015 01:51 PM (F+umO)

264 I'm going to identify as a gay black Latino man.

Posted by: @votermom at June 26, 2015 01:51 PM (cbfNE)

265 Getting churches out of the "marriage business" doesn't solve the problem (as if retreat ever solved a problem against the SJW).Because, if they are faithful, they still have to practice their faith in other areas. The housing and adoption areas have been mentioned: They are now committing a violation of civil rights if they refuse to offer those to homosexual couples.But even in a more specific sense: They still have to preach that homosexual acts are sins.And under the current rubric of anti-discrimination laws, that is encouraging and/or practicing discrimination.And even if the churches give up their tax-exempt status--they are still going to be sued into destruction unless they relent and recant the plain language of the Bible and God. There is no safe harbor for religion anymore except in going on offense--they must fight or die.
Posted by: RoyalOil at June 26, 2015 01:35 PM (ZvKdv)


---------------------------------------------


Long post to copy and paste but it needs repeating. These are the real implications (and I'm sure the list is still incomplete) of today's SCOTUS decision.

Posted by: Soona at June 26, 2015 01:52 PM (P25Hh)

266 If the idea is that we follow the rules "they" set for us, as long as they follow the rules we set for them (the constitution), don't you think it's getting time that we start playing our part and break their rules to. The contract's been broken. We aren't obligated to follow it anymore.

Posted by: it's getting that time at June 26, 2015 01:52 PM (TRPeZ)

267 It's extremist paranoia based on absolutely nothing.
Posted by: Kracken at June 26, 2015 01:50 PM


Nice looking tax exemption you have there, reverend. Shame if something was to happen to it...

Posted by: The IRS at June 26, 2015 01:52 PM (h4vJk)

268 Any time you're ready, Texas.

Posted by: Jaws at June 26, 2015 01:52 PM (Jktp1)

269 Jesus I come out of the woods after an eight and a half mile hike to this shit?

I think I'm going back to the woods.

Posted by: Kenway at June 26, 2015 01:52 PM (q/GEo)

270 Camel + nose + tent. We're way past that.

It wasn't the Camel's nose anyway. Got any lube for that tent?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 26, 2015 01:52 PM (sH832)

271 And the American gov't does have a history of not allowing businesses to discriminate. If a black person walked into a bakery and and was refused service because he was black, that would be in violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. So yeah, laws against private businesses from discriminating have been around for a long time. This is nothing new.

That's not the same as compelling churches to marry people they don't want to marry. Bakeries aren't churches. Baking is not a religion.

Posted by: Kracken at June 26, 2015 01:52 PM (ibvmu)

272 257 Oh no, that was God

Posted by: @votermom at June 26, 2015 01:53 PM (cbfNE)

273 And that's what's really important. Keeping Muslims happy.
Posted by: shibumi, RIP USA at June 26, 2015 01:47 PM (GwjEG)

________

Yes indeed. So 20 years ago when the gay marriage movement started it was all done with the end goal of making Muslims happy, by eventually allowing polygamy.

Sure, makes sense.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 26, 2015 01:53 PM (0LHZx)

274
potentially a giant unintended consequence of the SCOTUS decision is
that Christian couples may well begin refusing government-sactioned
marriages while pursuing church blessings instead... blessings that
would still pronounce them "husband and wife"

--

So I could civilly divorce my non-working spouse, renew my 'blessing' in a church, then she can file for welfare.

Let's get this going on a massive scale.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 26, 2015 01:53 PM (79zi+)

275 244 I predict very few of the already very small number of gays will actually chose to marry

this isnt about that

this was never about that
---------------------

You are correct. This is about flexing power and humiliation of your enemies. Same with blacks. They have no desire to integrate, if the did they wouldn't name their kids the way they do, they are too happy being segregated and calling people racists while applauding bitter Obama and Al punish their meal ticket demons. Its really too bad most white people are easily cowed.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at June 26, 2015 01:53 PM (oDCMR)

276 Stateless Infidel,
It began when the JEF was elected & sealed when he was Republican elected.

I'd like to add blame to 3-5 million that stayed home in 2012.

Posted by: Carol at June 26, 2015 01:53 PM (sj3Ax)

277 We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of
your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your
schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your seminaries, in
your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your houses of
Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our
minions and do our bidding. They shall be recast in our image. They
will come to crave us and adore us. - quote from the Homosexual
Manifesto, by Michael Swift published in The Gay Community News, Feb.
1987

* * *

This was posted recently on another board. A homosexual was offended by it and said it was written only a joke to poke fun at conservatives because had no basis whatsoever in "gay reality." Consider the options: either he was lying (which I am convinced is the case) or it's a genuine example of what passes for humor among some homosexuals.

Posted by: Doomed at June 26, 2015 01:53 PM (bGLSw)

278 223

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 26, 2015 01:30 PM (/Ho8c)

The flag currently on my flagpole at home is the version of the Gadsden with the snake striking with the caption "Time's Up".
-----------
You have the coolest flag ever.

Posted by: exdem13 at June 26, 2015 01:53 PM (ry4ab)

279 this isnt about wanting to get married

its about submission

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 01:53 PM (zOTsN)

280 238 There is a substantial movement within American Christian churches to no
longer perform civil marriages on behalf of the government. There will
no longer be any signing of marriage licenses.

Any couple wishing to be legally married will need to do so at a government office or with a government approved friend or neighbor. Those wishing a church experience could do so, but it would be considered a "blessing" and not a marriage.

What
is potentially a giant unintended consequence of the SCOTUS decision is
that Christian couples may well begin refusing government-sactioned
marriages while pursuing church blessings instead... blessings that
would still pronounce them "husband and wife" without the "by the power
vested in me by the State of Indiana".

This could be big.
Posted by: The Fradgan at June 26, 2015 01:48 PM (ggBc/)

I know in Ohio you have to get a marriage license or the State does not recognize common law marriage.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 26, 2015 01:54 PM (CxEX+)

281 207
And lets not forget to thank Lyndon B. Johnson for that little law that
allows the DoJ to prosecute churches for allowing their pastors to talk
about politics, as defined by the State, from the pulpit.


Posted by: Anna Puma at June 26, 2015 01:43 PM (fEYIa)


Well, except for black churches. Ever see a pol speaking in a black church?

I'm sure Hillary! will be hitting them all during her campaign.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 26, 2015 01:54 PM (FsuaD)

282 It's extremist paranoia based on absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Kracken at June 26, 2015 01:50 PM (ibvmu)

Religious orgs are prosecuted in all those civilized western democracies of Canada and Britain.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 26, 2015 01:54 PM (oVJmc)

283
Breaking News: Elena Kagan just declared Prima Nocta for Huma Abedin.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 26, 2015 01:54 PM (ODxAs)

284 We didn't start the fire. No. We didn't light it but we tried to fight it.

Posted by: LIB Crowd at June 26, 2015 01:54 PM (4KoRb)

285 Stephen has a crush on his gay Scout leader so discusses condom uses with his gay step-dad.
Tonight at 8:00/7:00 Central, ABC Family

Posted by: Disney at June 26, 2015 01:54 PM (6zSiC)

286 @259

Yeah, that's in DC and the National Cathedral is a hell hole of commies. They even have a Friday night Mohammedan pray meeting.


Seriously, in a Christian church.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 26, 2015 01:54 PM (0FSuD)

287 *taps chin*

Hey exdem13, should I sue the Federal government to be recognized as an android cat-girl?

Nyah?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 26, 2015 01:54 PM (fEYIa)

288 activists are saying that you can have your religious beliefs, but you cannot impose them on others.

Well, it's nice to have it admitted that Darwinism is *also* a religious belief. So we have that.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 26, 2015 01:54 PM (kff5f)

289 And lets not forget to thank Lyndon B. Johnson for that little law that allows the DoJ to prosecute churches for allowing their pastors to talk about politics, as defined by the State, from the pulpit.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 26, 2015 01:43 PM (fEYIa)

There are Christians in Iraq and Libya and elsewhere who are being tortured and imprisoned and murdered for refusing to renounce their faith. Did we think we were so special that American Christians would remain entirely unscathed as the lights go out all over the world?

As things get worse (and they will get worse), I can only hope I'll stay true to my God as they have, no matter what.

Posted by: troyriser at June 26, 2015 01:54 PM (S08gh)

290 >>The fevered fantasies of churches being forced to marry people are pure
insanity. It's extremist paranoia based on absolutely nothing.

Was that sarcasm? Was this imaginary?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/q4plrxy

Posted by: Lizzy at June 26, 2015 01:54 PM (NOIQH)

291 The people that fought for interacial marriage were not interested in destroying religion, especially Chritianity, like the most dedicated, vocal advocates advocytaes of gay gay marriage. Also it was clearly a law that made no sense from a religious or historical context, evolutionary standpoint or natural law. That is why it is different this time..

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at June 26, 2015 01:55 PM (1BQGO)

292 The conspiracy theory paranoia is off the charts today.
Kracken
----------------------

Straw man. What is being discussed are the implications of what has in fact taken place.

It isn't 'conspiracy' that is being discussed, it is manifest actions that are being taken.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 26, 2015 01:55 PM (9mTYi)

293 You're lying.


Shocking!!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 26, 2015 01:55 PM (rwI+c)

294 There is no constitutional protection for bakers baking cakes. There is constitutional protection for churches engaging in purely religious activities like marriage ceremonies. The fevered fantasies of churches being forced to marry people are pure insanity. It's extremist paranoia based on absolutely nothing.
Posted by: Kracken at June 26, 2015 01:50 PM (ibvmu)
_______________________

Bullshit.

An American doesn't waive his constitutional right to the free exercise of his religion simply by going into business.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 26, 2015 01:55 PM (kGrdk)

295 76. Not a bad theory. The Clinton Foundation would have to pay taxes. It would be treated like any other corporation. (Said the grinning tax lawyer)
^..^(____)~~~

Posted by: Cheshirecat at June 26, 2015 01:55 PM (e8vZc)

296 This was always the plan - Cass Sunstein was writing justifications for polygamy back in 2003. Already planning the next step back then.



Any guy wanting 4 wives should be allowed to get it. Good and hard. You think one took you to the cleaners in a divorce?

Wait'll 4 do it.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 26, 2015 01:55 PM (kSbCG)

297 186: "Only if you restrict who can join the church, and reject those who are or "become" "gay". Good luck with that."

Our church only allows people who accept the teachings of the Bible as authoritative to become members. If one chooses to live ones life apart from the authority of the Word of God, he or she can lose out on membership. It's a small defense, but I don't see much more we can do legally. Any other ideas?

Posted by: California Girl at June 26, 2015 01:55 PM (l+qoZ)

298 ***"What percentage of people are Gay? How many are going to marry?Can't be that many..."***



And yet we just upended the constitution for it.


But don't you DARE suggest it doesn't affect everyone.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 26, 2015 01:55 PM (xSCb6)

299 220 egads RWC where did you find that


Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 01:45 PM (zOTsN)

From The Christian Times

http://tinyurl.com/nad8aty

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 26, 2015 01:55 PM (fWAjv)

300 Kracken, you get dumber with every post.

If a black man comes into my bakery and wants a cake and I refuse him, that's a crime.

If he wants a cake that says "Kill Whitey" on it, and I say, "That's in bad taste, and I'm not going to do it," that is NOT a crime.

No one was ever - EVER! - refused a cake for being gay. Gay people can buy cakes. They just can't get one that promotes something against my beliefs.

You can't get a cake that says "Hail Satan," either.

Posted by: RKae at June 26, 2015 01:56 PM (F+umO)

301 A couple of weeks ago, Drudge posted a link to a news story concerning a woman who was charged with bigamy when she married a woman without first divorcing her (male) husband.

So, the two women were a same-sex "couple" and, I assume, they were in "love". So what's with these state bigamy laws? Unfair? I should think so!

/s /s /s

Posted by: mrp at June 26, 2015 01:56 PM (JBggj)

302 Wow.

If that poor kid isn't being molested and passed around-

I'll be very surprised IMHO..


Don't just go Gomorrah, when you can go Sodom and Gomorrah.


Posted by: naturalfake at June 26, 2015 01:56 PM (0cMkb)

303 There is no constitutional protection for bakers
baking cakes. There is constitutional protection for churches engaging
in purely religious activities like marriage ceremonies. The fevered
fantasies of churches being forced to marry people are pure insanity.
It's extremist paranoia based on absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Kracken


There is Constitutional protection for practicing one's religion. Bakers baking cakes against their religious beliefs should be protected, just as conscientious objectors could be protected from the draft.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 26, 2015 01:56 PM (/Ho8c)

304 "its about submission"

So Islam and Gay liberation theology do intersect after all?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 26, 2015 01:56 PM (VPLuQ)

305 In 2012, Newt ran on a platform that included reigning in judicial activism. I'm aware the idea behind lifetime appointments was to insulate SCOTUS from transient political pressures, but now it seems to be backfiring. It seems they regard this as a license to act lawlessly, without any accountability. We need to streamline the impeachment process for Federal and Supreme court justices.

Posted by: Barack Obama at June 26, 2015 01:56 PM (6qR/9)

306 Posted by: halodoc at June 26, 2015 01:32 PM (Fzbp3)

Churches have been exempted since the founding for the simple reason of "The power to tax is the power to destroy." If the gov't can tax churches, they will do all sorts of shenanigans to make them comply. You see it now with threatening to take away the exemption to make them conform.

Posted by: Not Loved Time to be Feared at June 26, 2015 01:56 PM (nRvEn)

307 The Culture Wars are over.

Expect the Gay Left to just as gracious in victory as the politicians who lorded over the Reconstruction Era south.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 26, 2015 01:56 PM (O7MnT)

308 I know in Ohio you have to get a marriage license or the State does not recognize common law marriage.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 26, 2015 01:54 PM (CxEX+)

You are not getting your marriage deduction without a state issued marriage license, unless you live in a common law state.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 26, 2015 01:56 PM (0FSuD)

309 Linked to this before, but if you haven't read it you really should:


That's a great link, Lizzy. I'd never seen it before.

It's also another bullet point on the Communist Goals List: sexualize all the things.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 26, 2015 01:57 PM (eEb+d)

310 249
There is no constitutional protection for bakers baking cakes. There is
constitutional protection for churches engaging in purely religious
activities like marriage ceremonies. The fevered fantasies of churches
being forced to marry people are pure insanity. It's extremist paranoia
based on absolutely nothing.
------------------
These days I can readily believe the State capable of anything and everything to please the favored group du jour. If you don't want to acknowledge that anti-republican agents have occupied the positions of political and social leadership at the national level, that's fine. But don't come to us all shocked and surprised when the Statists arbitrarily turn your life upside down, just like those bakers.

Posted by: exdem13 at June 26, 2015 01:57 PM (ry4ab)

311 Any guy wanting 4 wives should be allowed to get it. Good and hard. You think one took you to the cleaners in a divorce?

That's not how the system works here. All the wives are all on assistance. The guy just lies around like an Alpha Lion.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 26, 2015 01:57 PM (rwI+c)

312 Viva Cristo Rey.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 26, 2015 01:57 PM (8rRE+)

313 Can't churches already discriminate on the basis of membership? IE, does a Catholic church, which would mean a priest, be required to perform a Jewish wedding ceremony? Does a mosque have to perform Christian or Greek Orthodox weddings?

Posted by: Scott M at June 26, 2015 01:57 PM (AdBfq)

314 So Islam and Gay liberation theology do intersect after all?

Yep VIA, until Islam starts tossing the Gays off buildings once the last common enemy is killed.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 26, 2015 01:57 PM (fEYIa)

315 So I could civilly divorce my non-working spouse, renew my 'blessing' in a church, then she can file for welfare.

This has potential...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at June 26, 2015 01:57 PM (kff5f)

316 Baking is not a religion.

I've eaten some pies that have felt like Heaven.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 26, 2015 01:57 PM (ODxAs)

317 The fevered fantasies of churches being forced to marry people homosexuals marrying are pure insanity. It's extremist paranoia based on absolutely nothing.
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20 years ago.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 26, 2015 01:57 PM (9mTYi)

318 You can't get a cake that says "Hail Satan," either.

huh?
http://tinyurl.com/np55cny

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 26, 2015 01:58 PM (sH832)

319 76. Not a bad theory. The Clinton Foundation would have to pay taxes. It would be treated like any other corporation. (Said the grinning tax lawyer)

-----

Its not a theory - we should make it policy. There are some good reasons it should be done anyway. But chief among them is that churches and real charities would likely survive. Symphonies and universities may find it more difficult to raise money.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 01:58 PM (gmeXX)

320 The only way this week could start getting better is if Lois Lerner was found hanging in her bathroom.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at June 26, 2015 01:58 PM (oDCMR)

321 Bullshit.



An American doesn't waive his constitutional right to the free exercise of his religion simply by going into business.


* * *

Not under penalty of heavy fine, anyway.

Posted by: Doomed at June 26, 2015 01:58 PM (bGLSw)

322 You can't get a cake that says "Hail Satan," either.

Posted by: RKae at June 26, 2015 01:56 PM (F+umO)

Would "suck my dick" be OK? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Barney at June 26, 2015 01:58 PM (0FSuD)

323 Gheys? Marriage ?

No.

Taxes? Money? Political leverage ?

Yes.

Posted by: some random meathead - if you're not drinking, you're not paying attention at June 26, 2015 01:58 PM (ND90G)

324
Viva Cristo Rey.

Posted by: Chris Balsz


Que Viva!


Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 26, 2015 01:58 PM (/Ho8c)

325 So Islam and Gay liberation theology do intersect after all?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 26, 2015 01:56 PM


Umm....that's one way to describe it.

Posted by: Afghan 'Dancing Boys' at June 26, 2015 01:59 PM (h4vJk)

326 Skip the next possible president, let's ask the current one.

Posted by: Matt S at June 26, 2015 01:59 PM (QKeBc)

327 Male on male fudge packing and female on female muff diving --with rings of gold -----its right there in the Constitution you nitwits.



Posted by: Civics Teachers Union 101 at June 26, 2015 01:59 PM (7GI9v)

328 There is an old saying that bankruptcy happens slowly at first, then all at once.

We're probably about to find out whether that also applies to totalitarianism.

Posted by: rickl at June 26, 2015 01:59 PM (zoehZ)

329 How to make all the Prog-Soc brains explode?

How about we all walk into Starbucks sans shirts, blouses, and shoes. Demand service. When refused, sue for discrimination.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 26, 2015 01:59 PM (fEYIa)

330 The time of purification is at hand. The Church survived Nero and Stalin.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 26, 2015 02:00 PM (rwI+c)

331 If you think that lawsuits aren't coming that are going to try and force churches to perform gay marriages you really are insane.

Posted by: Kenway at June 26, 2015 02:00 PM (q/GEo)

332 There is no constitutional protection for bakers
baking cakes. There is constitutional protection for churches engaging
in purely religious activities like marriage ceremonies. The fevered
fantasies of churches being forced to marry people are pure insanity.
It's extremist paranoia based on absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Kracken at June 26, 2015 01:50 PM (ibvmu)


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF;

Posted by: redbanzai at June 26, 2015 02:00 PM (OrI3J)

333 I couldn't finish watching the video. I am horrified by the adults that stood around watching him, some even dancing along with him.

Where are this child's parents??????

I guess it's hateful to insist that children be children and not sexualized.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 26, 2015 02:00 PM (shFKH)

334 So, has Choom Boy spoken at the funeral yet? I've been avoiding the news like the plague today.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 26, 2015 02:00 PM (FsuaD)

335 That's not how the system works here. All the wives are all on assistance. The guy just lies around like an Alpha Lion.



Until the 4 realize they can have their assistance, AND his.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 26, 2015 02:01 PM (kSbCG)

336 "That's not the same as compelling churches to marry people they don't want to marry. Bakeries aren't churches. Baking is not a religion.
Posted by: Kracken at June 26, 2015 01:52 PM (ibvmu)"

You haven't read Perry v. Schwarzenegger. Gay relationships are entitled to the cultural and social significance of marriage, and denying it to them is a harm to be resolved by federal court.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 26, 2015 02:01 PM (8rRE+)

337
What
is potentially a giant unintended consequence of the SCOTUS decision is
that Christian couples may well begin refusing government-sactioned
marriages while pursuing church blessings instead... blessings that
would still pronounce them "husband and wife" without the "by the power
vested in me by the State of Indiana".

This could be big.Posted by: The Fradgan at June 26, 2015 01:48 PM (ggBc/)
And then the state will say, "Since you aren't married, we aren't going to recognize you as the father of these children."

Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 26, 2015 02:01 PM (OiH3z)

338 Someone needs to pose as a homosexual and sue a Muslim bakery.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 26, 2015 02:01 PM (oFCZn)

339 @274

I suspect that this ever got to a critical mass that suddenly hostile governments would be instituting all sorts of cohabitation laws.

Tyranny never sleeps.

Posted by: Kreplach at June 26, 2015 02:01 PM (mqYFN)

340 "I am horrified by the adults that stood around watching him, some even dancing along with him.



Where are this child's parents??????"

You answered your own question.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 26, 2015 02:01 PM (S2VsH)

341 Male on male fudge packing and female on female muff diving --with rings of gold -----its right there in the Constitution you nitwits.


Re-sourced..

Posted by: Emanations at June 26, 2015 02:01 PM (9mTYi)

342 Straw man. What is being discussed are the implications of what has in fact taken place.
It isn't 'conspiracy' that is being discussed, it is manifest actions that are being taken.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 26, 2015 01:55 PM (9mTYi)


We are required to buy a product approved by the Federal Government (health "insurance").
No distinction is made by the Supreme Court between the State (Colorado, for example), and the state (meaning the federal government).
The Tenth Amendment has just been summarily dismissed by removing the power of any state to not recognize a marriage by referring to the Constitution which makes no mention of marriage.

Wonderful week if you're a communist.

Posted by: jwb7605 at June 26, 2015 02:01 PM (M+9nV)

343 If you think that lawsuits aren't coming that are going to try and force
churches to perform gay marriages you really are insane.


That's why it's incrementalism. The ratchet never stops turning.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 26, 2015 02:02 PM (sH832)

344 330
The time of purification is at hand. The Church survived Nero and Stalin.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 26, 2015 02:00 PM (rwI+c)

Yeah, but they didn't have "Global Warming"

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 26, 2015 02:02 PM (0FSuD)

345 Hide your little boys America.....anal sex is a virtue now!

Posted by: pam at June 26, 2015 02:02 PM (EAZ7y)

346 I predict very few of the already very small number of gays will actually chose to marry

this isnt about that this was never about that
Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 01:50 PM (zOTsN)


----------------------------------------


You're absolutely right, ThunderB. It's about the totalitarian destruction of the American culture. This was Dear Leader's promise (fundamental transformation). And he and his minions have been very successful at it.

Posted by: Soona at June 26, 2015 02:02 PM (P25Hh)

347 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF;"

As of the last 30 hours...old and outdated.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 26, 2015 02:02 PM (VPLuQ)

348 There is no point in arguing the law.
The law is moot. Lawyers and courts now only exist to prop up the regime.

The Democrats got their democracy.

The mob rules.

Justice Thomas will be remembered in history.

Just like Benedict Arnold.


Posted by: some random meathead - if you're not drinking, you're not paying attention at June 26, 2015 02:02 PM (ND90G)

349 >>Any guy wanting 4 wives should be allowed to get it. Good and hard. You think one took you to the cleaners in a divorce?

That's cute - you think this is going to only be utilized by free-thinking hippies and hipsters? It will probably be a gateway into huge Muslim families on the dole (just think of how polygamy will impact family law!), and more generally, likely normalizing sharia law. Once again, the UK provides a view into how this would work.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 26, 2015 02:02 PM (NOIQH)

350 All this top-heavy nonsense comes as they stamp their feet and declare that we can't possibly interdict 20 million rebels because that's too many to process. Stupid.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 26, 2015 02:02 PM (8rRE+)

351 And then the state will say, "Since you aren't married, we aren't going to recognize you as the father of these children."



At this point bastardy is a badge of honor.


Tomcats are shaking their heads, bemoaning our loss of standards.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 26, 2015 02:03 PM (oKE6c)

352 And then the state will say, "Since you aren't married, we aren't going to recognize you as the father of these children."

* * *

Terrifying and very possible.

Posted by: Doomed at June 26, 2015 02:03 PM (bGLSw)

353
This was always the plan - Cass Sunstein was writing justifications for polygamy back in 2003. Already planning the next step back then.


I get the feeling that I'm being "nudged" real good and hard.

With no lube.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 26, 2015 02:03 PM (eEb+d)

354 Thank God we don't need the states anymore. Here in CA we can fire a shit pot full of democratic legislators.

Posted by: just saying at June 26, 2015 02:03 PM (wkuqO)

355 "You can't get a cake that says 'Hail Satan,' either."

Interested parties may come visit the SF Bay Area and I'll show you bakeries that will happily bake you a Satanic cake.

They'd throw you out at once were you to ask them to bake a "Hooray for Prop 8" cake, of course, and they would face no official intervention for thus exercising their editorial discretion as bakers.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 26, 2015 02:03 PM (noWW6)

356 There is constitutional protection for churches engaging

in purely religious activities like marriage ceremonies.


Until there isn't.

In case you've missed the point, Constitutional Rights are ephemeral things.

For instance, the right to gay marriage was just produced out of thin air.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 26, 2015 02:03 PM (oVJmc)

357 Bruce and Brian get Bruce's his bigoted grandma fired from her job down at the church rectory after she refuses to drive them to the middle school hayride.
Tonight at 8:00/7:00 Central, ABC Family

Posted by: Disney at June 26, 2015 02:03 PM (6zSiC)

358 Baking is not a religion.

I've eaten some pies that have felt like Heaven.



And some I'd have sworn were straight out of Hell.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 26, 2015 02:03 PM (kSbCG)

359 Insane we will probably soon live in a world where the NFL is a nonprofit but a church can't be. Not sure that living in a red state in the middle of nowhere will protect me from the burning times.

Posted by: LizLem at June 26, 2015 02:04 PM (Gq5Jb)

360 Someone needs to pose as a homosexual and sue a Muslim bakery.

Jesse Watters already did a video posing as a gay dude going into Muslim bakeries in Detroit asking for a gay wedding cake. Check youtube.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 26, 2015 02:04 PM (sH832)

361 So, is ''Up yours!" transitioning from an insult to a trendy greeting? I want to stay on top of these things!

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at June 26, 2015 02:04 PM (DLu2s)

362 The temperature in the pot of water has inched ever closer to boiling and thus killing the frogs.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 26, 2015 02:04 PM (fEYIa)

363 "Justice Thomas will be remembered in history.

Just like Benedict Arnold."

What the hell did Thomas do? I hope you mean Roberts.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 26, 2015 02:04 PM (S2VsH)

364 249 - Heard of the 1st amendment? Neither has the SCOTUS.

Posted by: Cheri at June 26, 2015 02:04 PM (oiNtH)

365 So I'm thinking that, after The Burning Times have ended, the New Constitution should include a delineation of concrete and severe penalties for breaching the public trust.

If the President goes out and repeatedly lies to the public he should be removed from office and drawn and quartered. That sort of thing.

The problem we face now is that even the cost for acting like our current politicians and bureaucrats doesn't carry a severe enough penalty.

Lois Lerner still lives in a big house on 90% of her pre-retirement salary. She wouldn't have either in the Republic of CozMark (just throwin' that out there as a suggestion) and she would probably be missing a prominent body part.

Posted by: CozMark at June 26, 2015 02:04 PM (aKWBd)

366 I don't recall kracken being either this stupid or ignorant before.



Perhaps I've confused him with someone else.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 26, 2015 02:04 PM (xSCb6)

367 O/T but thought the horde might like this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLEovsZbs-U#t=126 The Devil Is My Running Mate

Posted by: Beth M at June 26, 2015 02:05 PM (kiy9d)

368 A leading Anglican church leader recently wrote:

"End the practice of clergy being agents of the state and having any
legal function. This is a relic we should have done away with long
ago. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar and unto God what is God's, and
we will never be able to have holistic theology of marriage if we
continue to have this abominable practice from when the church had a
role in defining marriage for the state. Is it really because we are
shills to the wedding industrial complex and want our $500 honorarium?
Can someone explain to me why we should continue to do this? [I
freely acknowledges this is pastorally complicated. The one time I
suggested this to a couple, that they have a blessing of their civil
marriage in the church -- after explaining in full orchestration and
five part harmony and with no trace of snarkiness -- the bride said in a
halting and crestfallen voice, "OK, if you really don't want to do our
marriage, I guess we could do that."] But if the church as a whole
acted on this, it would help with pastoral implementation, and not look
like some individual priest not wanting to "do" a marriage."

Posted by: The Fradgan at June 26, 2015 02:05 PM (ggBc/)

369 287
*taps chin*

Hey exdem13, should I sue the Federal government to be recognized as an android cat-girl?

Nyah?
--------------
Go for it! Becoming an android cat girl is the least offensive thing that the Federal government is going to permit in a short while. More power to you if you can get it in writing and have it acknowledged by the Statist ISB.

Posted by: exdem13 at June 26, 2015 02:05 PM (ry4ab)

370 And Kracken wins the Idiot of the Day Troll Award.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 26, 2015 02:05 PM (oVJmc)

371 If the state can whim out of thin air what marriage IS, what's to stop the state from pronouncing what marriage ISN'T?

Posted by: Doomed at June 26, 2015 02:05 PM (bGLSw)

372 289: "There are Christians in Iraq and Libya and elsewhere who are being
tortured and imprisoned and murdered for refusing to renounce their
faith. Did we think we were so special that American Christians would
remain entirely unscathed as the lights go out all over the world?



As things get worse (and they will get worse), I can only hope I'll stay true to my God as they have, no matter what."

This was my same thought today. We have had a marvelous 200+ years fairly persecution-free. However, it takes my breath away to see how fast America is falling, knowing that I may die for what I believe in.

Posted by: California Girl at June 26, 2015 02:05 PM (l+qoZ)

373 334 So, has Choom Boy spoken at the funeral yet? I've been avoiding the news like the plague today.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 26, 2015 02:00 PM (FsuaD)




Me too. I'm trying not to rage stroke. It's touch and go at the moment.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 26, 2015 02:05 PM (oKE6c)

374 It's probably been said upthread, but look for the first test of forcing a church to perform a gay wedding to come not from a lawsuit but from an administrative agency of a local or state government.

Posted by: Furious George at June 26, 2015 02:05 PM (UlJ3l)

375 Relax folks.

This poorly reasoned, activist decision didn't kill the rule of law and Constitutional jurisprudence.

You can't kill that which has been dead since the 1930's.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 26, 2015 02:05 PM (XhSez)

376 Someone needs to pose as a homosexual and sue a Muslim bakery.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 26, 2015 02:01 PM (oFCZn)


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How does one pose as a homosexual. Does it involve pinky rings and one hand on a hip?

Posted by: Soona at June 26, 2015 02:05 PM (P25Hh)

377 this is not about marriage its about submission

just like the flag flap

when they win it is never enough

its really about submission

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:05 PM (zOTsN)

378 Roberts.

correctioncorrectioncorrectioncorrection


Sorry. Was just reading Thomas' dissent.

Thomas will be remembered as one who stood against the tide.


Posted by: some random meathead - if you're not drinking, you're not paying attention at June 26, 2015 02:06 PM (ND90G)

379 i'm all in favor of eliminating ALL tax exemptions...

churches, "non-profits", everything.

let everyone ante up for all the free shit so many of those organizations lobby for all the time.

equality, bitches.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 26, 2015 02:06 PM (vIjYi)

380 I identify as a Supreme Court Justice, and I just cast my vote, making the outcome a tie.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 26, 2015 02:07 PM (oKE6c)

381 Roberts will live out his days , in fat and plenty on his 'State' funded dacha.

Posted by: some random meathead - if you're not drinking, you're not paying attention at June 26, 2015 02:07 PM (ND90G)

382 Whoever asked earlier what would happen to a church's stained glass windows with any confederate depictions? Behold:

The dean of Washington National Cathedral called Thursday for two
stained glass windows that depict the controversial Confederate flag to
be replaced.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 26, 2015 02:07 PM (FsuaD)

383 >>
Jesse Watters already did a video posing as a gay dude going into
Muslim bakeries in Detroit asking for a gay wedding cake. Check youtube.

IIRC it was Stephen Crowder.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 26, 2015 02:07 PM (NOIQH)

384 That's cute - you think this is going to only be utilized by free-thinking hippies and hipsters? It will probably be a gateway into huge Muslim families on the dole (just think of how polygamy will impact family law!), and more generally, likely normalizing sharia law. Once again, the UK provides a view into how this would work.


Correct. Via sharia law.

Wait'll they get a load of no fault divorce and alimony.
1st one out the door will appear to get half of everything.
Sit back and watch the stampede.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 26, 2015 02:07 PM (kSbCG)

385 Roberts will live out his days , in fat and plenty on his 'State' funded dacha.


Posted by: some random meathead


I wish him a very troubled conscience.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 26, 2015 02:08 PM (/Ho8c)

386 >>The dean of Washington National Cathedral called Thursday for two

stained glass windows that depict the controversial Confederate flag to

be replaced.

They'll be lucky if they don't have the windows broken first - they're already defacing civil war monuments.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 26, 2015 02:08 PM (NOIQH)

387 5 Can we resurrect the CBF for the new rebellion, or is there too much taint on the old one.

I believe part of today's ruling requires liberal application of taint on old ones.

Posted by: wooga at June 26, 2015 02:08 PM (W2mU3)

388 Obama is living rent free in Robert's head

Posted by: just saying at June 26, 2015 02:08 PM (wkuqO)

389 i'm all in favor of eliminating ALL tax exemptions...

churches, "non-profits", everything.

let everyone ante up for all the free shit so many of those organizations lobby for all the time.

equality, bitches.


Posted by: redc1c4 at June 26, 2015 02:06 PM (vIjYi)


Flat tax, baby. Everybody pays 10%. Everybody. Hobo under the overpass collecting aluminum cans? Pony up 10% of your cans, buddy.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 26, 2015 02:08 PM (oKE6c)

390 Friendly reminder: there is no such thing as "homophobia", and if there were, it would not have been designated as such. More likely "sodophobia".


"Homophobia" parses out as "irrational and unnatural fear of like things" so a true "homophobic" would get the screaming meemies if confronted by the Doublemint Twins.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 26, 2015 02:08 PM (+uomA)

391 "And Kracken wins the Idiot of the Day Troll Award."

Day's still young.

The world is full of Idiot's

Maybe wait a few hours before we pin a star on this one fucktard.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 26, 2015 02:09 PM (VPLuQ)

392 My response to all who wish me a Happy 4th (note - no one will wish me a Happy Independence Day) will simply be "Is it?"

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:09 PM (gmeXX)

393 The dean of Washington National Cathedral called Thursday for two

stained glass windows that depict the controversial Confederate flag to

be replaced.



ALLAHU AKBAR!!

Posted by: ISIS at June 26, 2015 02:09 PM (ND90G)

394 Posted by: The Fradgan at June 26, 2015 02:05 PM (ggBc/)


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You still don't get it, do you. Today's decision goes far beyond a ceremony in a church.

Posted by: Soona at June 26, 2015 02:09 PM (P25Hh)

395 320 The only way this week could start getting better is if Lois Lerner was found hanging in her bathroom.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at June 26, 2015 01:58 PM (oDCMR)

That would require shame, something modern dems have little of. Judas of all people has a larger conscience than the progs in govmint.

Posted by: LIVs at June 26, 2015 02:09 PM (Gq5Jb)

396 Interested parties may come visit the SF Bay Area and I'll show you bakeries that will happily bake you a Satanic cake.

Oh yeah, they loved them some Anton LaVay - he was a big deal and a hep cat for the longest time. I'm surprised they didn't enshrine the Church of Satan, but the Real Estate was worth too much.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 26, 2015 02:09 PM (sH832)

397 334
So, has Choom Boy spoken at the funeral yet? I've been avoiding the news like the plague today.
------------
He is certainly not speaking at the funeral of a black Cincinnati policeman slain by a black young man, who was in turn slain by another police officer.

Posted by: exdem13 at June 26, 2015 02:09 PM (ry4ab)

398 The world is dead.


But continues to twitch about

Posted by: eleven at June 26, 2015 02:09 PM (MDgS8)

399 its really about submission

Posted by: ThunderB


Well, hey! So is Islam!

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 26, 2015 02:11 PM (/Ho8c)

400 Flat tax, baby. Everybody pays 10%. Everybody. Hobo under the overpass
collecting aluminum cans? Pony up 10% of your cans, buddy.


Equality, eh?

The last thing these imperial assholes want is equality.

They are implementing one system for them and another for us.


Posted by: ISIS at June 26, 2015 02:11 PM (ND90G)

401 My response to all who wish me a Happy 4th (note - no one will wish me a Happy Independence Day) will simply be "Is it?"
Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:09 PM (gmeXX)


-------------------------------------


The 4th of July has become a very depressing day for me for the last few years. Independence? Yeah, right.

Posted by: Soona at June 26, 2015 02:11 PM (P25Hh)

402 IIRC it was Stephen Crowder.

Yer right - all those right wing comedians look the same to me!

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 26, 2015 02:11 PM (sH832)

403 392 My response to all who wish me a Happy 4th (note - no one will wish me a Happy Independence Day) will simply be "Is it?"

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:09 PM (gmeXX)




We should all wear black armbands on the Fourth of July.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 26, 2015 02:11 PM (oKE6c)

404 If only I was Gay and a Democrat.... I could really be enjoying all this...

Posted by: donna at June 26, 2015 02:11 PM (Bn6aD)

405 And then the state will say, "Since you aren't married, we aren't going to recognize you as the father of these
children."



Why not? The state recognizes men as fathers, who by proof of DNA cannot be the father

Posted by: rickb223 at June 26, 2015 02:11 PM (kSbCG)

406 I know in Europe you see the bride and groom all dressed up at the Government building getting thier license, then they head to the Church to get married., so that is coming here.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 26, 2015 02:12 PM (CxEX+)

407 380
I identify as a Supreme Court Justice, and I just cast my vote, making the outcome a tie.
----------------------------

Not good enough. Sotomayor just identified as twins.

Posted by: The Fradgan at June 26, 2015 02:12 PM (ggBc/)

408 The dean of Washington National Cathedral called Thursday for two stained glass windows that depict the controversial Confederate flag to be replaced.

I call for HIM to be replaced.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 26, 2015 02:12 PM (oVJmc)

409 Obama the best gun salesman ever, now the court becomes is the best seller of freeze dried food.

Posted by: just saying at June 26, 2015 02:13 PM (wkuqO)

410 like an irrational tantrumming child, getting a particular "thing" will never be enough

what really motivates them is the ability to impose thier will

and any victory will never be enough

thats why the flag flap continues

thats why the race issue continues

and thats why this issue will only grow

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:13 PM (zOTsN)

411 392 My response to all who wish me a Happy 4th (note - no one will wish me a Happy Independence Day) will simply be "Is it?"

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:09 PM (gmeXX)



We should all wear black armbands on the Fourth of July.


------

Not a bad idea. My silent protest will be to not put out my US flags this year. That makes me very sad.

Maybe I will just put out the Texas flag. Or a Gadsen (which I do not have).

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:13 PM (gmeXX)

412 THIS was never about gay marriage. Just as getting rid of "Don't ask, Don't tell" was never about gays serving in the Military.

This is War folks and we are losing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 26, 2015 02:13 PM (/tNwW)

413 ProgDems have always lied about equality when what they really want is just to be the one who tells everyone else how to be equal. And makes them comply.

Posted by: some random meathead - if you're not drinking, you're not paying attention at June 26, 2015 02:13 PM (ND90G)

414 ***"The last thing these imperial assholes want is equality.***


To these guys "equality" is synonymous with 'payback'.


Feminism, Critical Race Theorists, Gay activists, the lot of 'em.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 26, 2015 02:13 PM (xSCb6)

415 I guess Kracken got put some knowledge and runnoft.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 26, 2015 02:13 PM (oVJmc)

416 Or a Gadsen (which I do not have).
Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:13 PM (gmeXX)


I am ordering one

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 26, 2015 02:13 PM (/tNwW)

417
If only I was Gay and a Democrat.... I could really be enjoying all this...


Luckily there's an operation for that.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 26, 2015 02:14 PM (sH832)

418 Jeffrey is ready to lose his anal virginity to high school star quarterback but are his parents ready for it?

Tonight at 8:00/7:00 Central, ABC Family

Posted by: Disney at June 26, 2015 02:14 PM (6zSiC)

419 Runnin against the wind
https://youtu.be/KiviKbxP9xM

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:14 PM (39g3+)

420 Hang your US flag upside down.

Posted by: @votermom at June 26, 2015 02:14 PM (cbfNE)

421 417
If only I was Gay and a Democrat.... I could really be enjoying all this...

Luckily there's an operation for that.

Maybe a lobotomy...

Posted by: donna at June 26, 2015 02:14 PM (Bn6aD)

422 The last thing these imperial assholes want is equality.

They are implementing one system for them and another for us.




Posted by: ISIS at June 26, 2015 02:11 PM (ND90G)


I've been playing grab-ass with the state of CA trying to wind up my company. A blizzard of forms, blow jobs, and of course, checks, just to navigate my way out from under it.
Then I thought about all the Mexicans outside Home Depot. No income tax, no state tax, free healthcare, free tuition at the University of California.

America's a great country - if you're not American.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 26, 2015 02:14 PM (oKE6c)

423 so a true "homophobic" would get the screaming meemies if confronted by the Doublemint Twins.

You saying people don't? Huh.

Posted by: HR braucht ein paar Wuerste at June 26, 2015 02:14 PM (ZKzrr)

424 >>> Perhaps I've confused him with someone else.

Maybe Kraken?

Posted by: Bigby's Nintendo Power Glove at June 26, 2015 02:14 PM (3ZtZW)

425 I think the first lawsuit against a church should result in an Article V convention just on the marriage issue alone. When the people vote, traditional marriage is almost always upheld.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 26, 2015 01:48 PM (ODxAs)


We've been too fundamentally transformed.

Marriage, RIP

Time immemorial - 2015

Posted by: The Immemorial Hat at June 26, 2015 02:14 PM (7YlUk)

426 408 The dean of Washington National Cathedral called Thursday for two stained glass windows that depict the controversial Confederate flag to be replaced.

I call for HIM to be replaced.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel
______________

Not happening on my watch. Sucks to be you, huh? Now enough of your extremist redneck bigotry--I have some global warming to go halt.

Posted by: Katharine Jefferts Schori at June 26, 2015 02:15 PM (UlJ3l)

427 Anyone know a bunch of people under 30 or so who are devoutly religious? I don't. The church as we know it is on life support anyway. The culture war is over and we lost. With that we lose the culture of self-reliance and limited government too. It's over folks. Just enjoy the years you have left as best you can and enjoy our traditions while they are still with us. Republicans in government have decided we don't matter so elect all of them you want, it won't stop anything. Witness all of the "tea party" types who have already been co-opted.

Posted by: Chris Vaughn at June 26, 2015 02:15 PM (Bcqod)

428 Maybe a lobotomy...

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It's good enough for the Kennedy's

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:15 PM (gmeXX)

429 366
I don't recall kracken being either this stupid or ignorant before.
Perhaps I've confused him with someone else.
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No, kracken is in denial today. i understand, I used to be in denial about the toxic spread of Big Government myself.Then I was in denial that the Left would not use 9/11 as a political football. Then I was in denial that the USA would elect a half-black man to be President specifically because half of him was black and he didn't talk like Fifty Cent. Then I was in denial that the Republicans would actually take a firm stand against Statism and not put on the Jar Jar mask...

Posted by: exdem13 at June 26, 2015 02:15 PM (ry4ab)

430 Now even disagreeing with homosexual marriage will get you fired or a serious lawsuit. Their lawyer paid for by the taxpayer yours by mortgaging your house. Because feelings.

Posted by: just saying at June 26, 2015 02:15 PM (wkuqO)

431 Rush just said a prominent republican sent him a snarkly note last night & someone sent T note saying Rush supposedly impunged him, but Rush didn't say anything about Mr. Prominent Elected Republican & his response was "elections have consequences,"

I'd love to know which republican sent him note.

Posted by: Carol at June 26, 2015 02:15 PM (sj3Ax)

432 I find times like these are best faced by cranking up music and letting it take you away

Magic Power
https://youtu.be/rW3WYcnQj8I

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:15 PM (39g3+)

433 "ProgDems have always lied about equality when what they really want is just to be the one who tells everyone else how to be equal. And makes them comply."

Try log cabin republicans and faux conservatives too.

Posted by: Birthers are right at June 26, 2015 02:15 PM (6zSiC)

434 This is War folks and we are losing

Indeed.
What blows me away is how much has happened in less than 7 years.
I think that we had already lost this war on the education front decades ago.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 26, 2015 02:16 PM (sH832)

435 407 380
I identify as a Supreme Court Justice, and I just cast my vote, making the outcome a tie.
----------------------------

Not good enough. Sotomayor just identified as twins.

Posted by: The Fradgan at June 26, 2015 02:12 PM (ggBc/)



Well, I now identify as a Super Bowl crowd, so we win.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 26, 2015 02:16 PM (oKE6c)

436 It's getting creepy now. From Dutch Oven, mayor of Memphis wants to dig up Nathan Bedford Forrest's remains.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 26, 2015 02:16 PM (XUKZU)

437 ***"like an irrational tantrumming child, getting a particular "thing" will never be enough"***


That's why I keep saying that the idea that we've hit "Peak Leftism" is absurd.


They just floored it.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 26, 2015 02:16 PM (xSCb6)

438 Luckily there's an operation for that.

OCare probably covers it, too.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 26, 2015 02:16 PM (eEb+d)

439 Luckily there's an operation for that.

Yeah, but lobotomies are expensive.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 26, 2015 02:16 PM (XhSez)

440
"That's cute - you think this is going to only be utilized by free-thinking hippies and hipsters? It will probably be a gateway into huge Muslim families on the dole (just think of how polygamy will impact family law!), and more generally, likely normalizing sharia law. Once again, the UK provides a view into how this would work."

In fairness, Scalia did mention hippies in his dissent today.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 26, 2015 02:16 PM (OD2ni)

441 I think it's about time we decide who is going to run this fucking country.


The rainbow swastika is coming.

Posted by: prescient11 at June 26, 2015 02:17 PM (q5APL)

442 Anyone know a bunch of people under 30 or so who are devoutly religious? I don't. The church as we know it is on life support anyway. The culture war is over and we lost.

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Yes. Where do you live? Come to Texas - you will see overpacked churches of all denominations with a lot of young people and vibrant youth groups. It would lift your spirits.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:17 PM (gmeXX)

443 Maybe a lobotomy...

Exactly. The full frontals can be done and not leave a scar now...

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 26, 2015 02:17 PM (sH832)

444 There's also chemical lobotomies for the budget conscious.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 26, 2015 02:17 PM (sH832)

445 I prefer trepanation.

Posted by: eleven at June 26, 2015 02:18 PM (MDgS8)

446 I'm soothing myself by nomming on some coconut gelato.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 26, 2015 02:18 PM (FsuaD)

447 When the people vote, traditional marriage is almost always upheld.

Not for the last 3 years. Several states have voted for homosexual marriage in a row. That time has passed.

Roll with the changes
https://youtu.be/nEidbkibsiE

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:18 PM (39g3+)

448 Gabe just got mentioned on Rush for post on Robert's decision!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 26, 2015 02:19 PM (ftVQq)

449 Listen to these loud. The kind of loud that hurts your ears and gets the neighbors to call the police.

https://youtu.be/ARzj2AblBWQ

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:19 PM (39g3+)

450 I know lots of religious people in their 20's and thirties in Indiana.

Posted by: Nick in South Bend at June 26, 2015 02:19 PM (zOWjo)

451 when the divorce rate is high

and out of wedlock birth is high

a huge chunk of young people are wholly unfamiliar with "traditional marriage" in reality

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:19 PM (zOTsN)

452 >>I've eaten some pies that have felt like Heaven.

Me too!

Posted by: Hillary at June 26, 2015 02:19 PM (sQzB6)

453 Rush just mentioned Gabriel Malor.

Posted by: Truck Monkey is a Mime..... Serious at June 26, 2015 02:19 PM (fLKzW)

454 trepanation means you have to double up on the tin foil.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 26, 2015 02:20 PM (fEYIa)

455 Yes. Where do you live? Come to Texas - you will see overpacked
churches of all denominations with a lot of young people and vibrant
youth groups. It would lift your spirits.


Georgia, also.

Its seems that death cannot hold the resurrection life.

Posted by: some random meathead - if you're not drinking, you're not paying attention at June 26, 2015 02:20 PM (ND90G)

456 By the way that video is damn near child porn

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 26, 2015 02:20 PM (/tNwW)

457 Yeah, but lobotomies are expensive.



.45 acp - fitty cents

Posted by: rickb223 at June 26, 2015 02:20 PM (kSbCG)

458 436 It's getting creepy now. From Dutch Oven, mayor of Memphis wants to dig up Nathan Bedford Forrest's remains.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 26, 2015 02:16 PM (XUKZU)




Did somebody slip LSD in the nation's water supply?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 26, 2015 02:20 PM (oKE6c)

459 The rainbow swastika is coming.

It surprises me not one bit that homosexuals were the driving force that pushed Hitler into power.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 26, 2015 02:20 PM (oVJmc)

460 SH- Texans support gay marriage by majorities and I would wager young people make up a big part of that. Hispanics support it too despite fantasies to the contrary. The young church-goers of today are not like us or our parents. They are far more liberal on cultural issues. Texas alone can't save the country anyway, it is not representative of where we are as a nation sadly.

Posted by: Chris Vaughn at June 26, 2015 02:20 PM (Bcqod)

461 Anyone know a bunch of people under 30 or so who are devoutly religious? I don't.

Our church has a bunch. Places where the gospel is preached fearlessly and joyfully tend to attract people.

Crystal Ball
https://youtu.be/9b-i0XknSnM

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:20 PM (39g3+)

462 In fairness, Scalia did mention hippies in his dissent today.

Does someone have a link to it? I see lefties sneering at it, so it must be good.

Posted by: HR braucht ein paar Wuerste at June 26, 2015 02:20 PM (ZKzrr)

463 Does this mean I can marry my dog!?!?

Posted by: Vice President Biden at June 26, 2015 02:20 PM (HstNY)

464 This will be ugly. He's got a scowl on his face.

Nothing like empowering g a bully.

Posted by: Golfman at June 26, 2015 02:20 PM (48QDY)

465
The Disney/ABC Family sock is very good and depressingly accurate.

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 26, 2015 02:20 PM (OD2ni)

466 I think that's a fine video, and should be shown in every classroom in America.

Posted by: Kevin Jennings at June 26, 2015 02:21 PM (2Ojst)

467 Johnny uses his fake ID and sneaks out to the local bathhouse while his Aunt Sally babysits for the weekend. Hilarity ensues.

Tonight at 8:00/7:00 Central, ABC Family

Posted by: Disney at June 26, 2015 02:21 PM (6zSiC)

468 >>This is War folks and we are losing

I think the war is lost, for now , anyway. I mean, what is there left to fight for? Keeping hardcore pr0n off network TV? Keeping pedophilia illegal?

The culture has voted.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 26, 2015 02:21 PM (O7MnT)

469 Justice Thomas will be remembered in history.
Just like Benedict Arnold.

They are already working on it. New Anita Hill movie starring chick from Scandal, I think. Guess who will be the villain??

Posted by: LIVs at June 26, 2015 02:21 PM (Gq5Jb)

470 I do know a lot of people who grew up Roman Catholic and have since gone to more generic Christianity. For numerous reasons.

Posted by: Nick in South Bend at June 26, 2015 02:21 PM (zOWjo)

471 Not enough actual conservatives to make a change by voting. We could be a swing vote if we withheld our vote for Rinos. No matter how much a divorce is warranted there aren't enough of us to pull it off. Are you in shape, do you know how to flank the enemy? Keyboard warrior here I fear. As Argentina unwrapped the last time, the one thing prepared people said 'we needed more food storage'.

Posted by: just saying at June 26, 2015 02:21 PM (wkuqO)

472 Haven't been here for over a year but, was listening to Rush and he's discussing a blog post "by someone with the name of Gabriel Malor".

Isn't that your gabe?

Posted by: clarabelle at June 26, 2015 02:21 PM (jVUDI)

473 Gabe just got mentioned on Rush for post on Robert's decision!

Yesterday's, or today's?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 26, 2015 02:21 PM (oVJmc)

474 ***"Gabe just got mentioned on Rush for post on Robert's decision!"***


Yeah, wait until Malor gets around to contradicting himself just like Roberts did on the gay marriage ruling.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 26, 2015 02:22 PM (xSCb6)

475 (you can still) Rock in America. For now

https://youtu.be/x0Oka6fB_xo

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:22 PM (39g3+)

476 >>>> Yeah, but lobotomies are expensive.

No. Could do a rough one with a knitting needle and a light hammer were you so inclined.

Posted by: Bigby's Nintendo Power Glove at June 26, 2015 02:22 PM (3ZtZW)

477 >>Anyone know a bunch of people under 30 or so who are devoutly religious?

My church has a healthy under-30 contingent, and I know lots of religious 20-somethings.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 26, 2015 02:22 PM (O7MnT)

478 SH- Texans support gay marriage by majorities and I would wager young people make up a big part of that. Hispanics support it too despite fantasies to the contrary. The young church-goers of today are not like us or our parents. They are far more liberal on cultural issues. Texas alone can't save the country anyway, it is not representative of where we are as a nation sadly.

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I was simply answering your question. You are right that Texas cannot save our country, but I (and many other Texans) want to save Texas. I'm not sure that Texans do support it by majorities - it was voted down rather soundly.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:22 PM (gmeXX)

479 I am ordering one
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 26, 2015 02:13 PM (/tNwW)

Ordered a Gadsen flag yesterday. Been meaning to for awhile but then yesterday it felt like a really important thing to do for some reason. Strange how people's minds work.

Posted by: troyriser at June 26, 2015 02:22 PM (S08gh)

480 Context for 464.

The funeral has begun.

Posted by: Golfman at June 26, 2015 02:22 PM (48QDY)

481 We even love Christians. We love you loooong time. We love you so much that we're going to take the burden of independence off your shoulders!

Posted by: The State, What Loves You at June 26, 2015 02:22 PM (RD7QR)

482 456 By the way that video is damn near child porn

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 26, 2015 02:20 PM (/tNwW)



That video is mas creepy.


It represents where we're going, and that right soon. All the leftists who deride "slippery slope" arguments are full of shit.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 26, 2015 02:22 PM (oKE6c)

483 Justice Thomas will be remembered in history.

Just like Benedict Arnold.


I meant to say Roberts but looking back on it I was probably right the first time.


Posted by: some random meathead - if you're not drinking, you're not paying attention at June 26, 2015 02:22 PM (ND90G)

484 My portfolio is going up. Woo Hoo! Suck it socons.

Posted by: Oh my achin' Huck at June 26, 2015 02:22 PM (W5DcG)

485 We were found out too soon....
now it's going to be normal...

Posted by: Gay Pedophile Priests at June 26, 2015 02:23 PM (eOpVe)

486 God bless those who witness defeat after defeat and still fantasize about eventually victory.

Posted by: Chris Vaughn at June 26, 2015 02:23 PM (Bcqod)

487 Is the Holy Bible now a "hate crime"?


I mean seriously, what the fuck???

Posted by: prescient11 at June 26, 2015 02:23 PM (q5APL)

488 The culture has voted.

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The culture or 5 geezers?

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:23 PM (gmeXX)

489 Isn't that your gabe?
Posted by: clarabelle at June 26, 2015 02:21 PM (jVUDI)

He aint my gabe, but yes.

He is the Gabe that previously posted at aoshq before he meatball'ed off to the federalist and occasionally appeared at HotAir.

Now hes mostly dead to us.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:23 PM (AkOaV)

490 We have lost the culture war. The shooting war hasn't started yet but the culture war is pushing us in that direction. I like us.

Posted by: Truck Monkey is a Mime..... Serious at June 26, 2015 02:23 PM (fLKzW)

491 He's speaking about Gabe's blog post right now. He's devoted a lot of time to it.

Posted by: clarabelle at June 26, 2015 02:23 PM (jVUDI)

492 I have the TV off today. Simply too much going on.

Let me know if it goes Full Wellstone

and if anybody notices and gives a shit

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:23 PM (zOTsN)

493 Posted by: troyriser at June 26, 2015 02:22 PM (S08gh)

Just put up the US Flag upside down. First time in my life.

Check out the Moultrie Flag. We're flying it at work.

Posted by: Golfman at June 26, 2015 02:24 PM (48QDY)

494 376
Someone needs to pose as a homosexual and sue a Muslim bakery.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 26, 2015 02:01 PM (oFCZn)


Fox did that in NYC. No one would bake them a cake, and nothing happened.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 26, 2015 02:24 PM (0FSuD)

495 So if a priest who's buggering an altar boy refuses to perform a gayrriage, does he still face persecution or do those cancel each other out?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 26, 2015 02:24 PM (2Ojst)

496 489
Isn't that your gabe?

Posted by: clarabelle at June 26, 2015 02:21 PM (jVUDI)



He aint my gabe, but yes.



He is the Gabe that previously posted at aoshq before he meatball'ed off to the federalist and occasionally appeared at HotAir.



Now hes mostly dead to us.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:23 PM (AkOaV)
Oh sorry to hear that. Haven't been around so had no idea.

Posted by: clarabelle at June 26, 2015 02:24 PM (jVUDI)

497 Any other ideas?
Posted by: California Girl at June 26, 2015 01:55 PM (l+qoZ)

No. This government is evil. It has been captured by people who want to destroy us. They will do so by whatever means necessary. Laws mean nothing now. They will use the greatest concentration of power on the planet to get their way.

Posted by: despair at June 26, 2015 02:25 PM (J6suc)

498 Yes. Where do you live? Come to Texas - you will see overpacked churches of all denominations with a lot of young people and vibrant youth groups. It would lift your spirits.
Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:17 PM (gmeXX)


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Same here in OK. Lots of young people in churches. And, surprise surprise, they're usually well informed to what's going on in this country.

Posted by: Soona at June 26, 2015 02:25 PM (P25Hh)

499 That video is exactly why we need to let gay leaders into the Boy Scouts. I mean just look what great influences they are having upon him.....

Posted by: Draki at June 26, 2015 02:25 PM (0eidE)

500 Did they have funeral t-shirts this time?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 26, 2015 02:25 PM (oVJmc)

501 Check out the Moultrie Flag. We're flying it at work.
Posted by: Golfman at June 26, 2015 02:24 PM (48QDY)

Heh. Sounds like you work in... quite the workplace.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:25 PM (AkOaV)

502
I know lots of religious people in their 20's and thirties in Indiana.


I was going to say "I know a bunch from work" but when I went down the rows of desks, it's about 20% of the young people. And half of them think this decision rulez! because now their gay friends have "marriage equality."

Posted by: HR braucht ein paar Wuerste at June 26, 2015 02:25 PM (ZKzrr)

503 At least in my church, and among my friends/family friends there are a lot of young folks.

Posted by: GMan at June 26, 2015 02:25 PM (sxq57)

504 470
I do know a lot of people who grew up Roman Catholic and have since gone to more generic Christianity. For numerous reasons.



We have several in our church, and even a lady who converted from Judaism.


Also, lots of active youth. Son is an adult leader.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 26, 2015 02:25 PM (FsuaD)

505
How does one pose as a homosexual. Does it involve pinky rings and one hand on a hip?

Posted by: Soona at June 26, 2015 02:05 PM (P25Hh)








Jazz Hands

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 26, 2015 02:25 PM (vXKGT)

506 Are You Sure Hank Done It This Way?

https://youtu.be/42s2laRzgdM

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:25 PM (39g3+)

507 *ugh*

Going to crawl back into bed.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 26, 2015 02:26 PM (fEYIa)

508 Is the Holy Bible now a "hate crime"?


I mean seriously, what the fuck???


Patience, grasshopper. First, it'll be the Christian Cross as a symbol of hatred, then the Bible.

There are steps that must be taken in the proper order...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 26, 2015 02:26 PM (eEb+d)

509 I think the people of Charleston have more dignity than that

Im just hoping the POTUS doesnt start with the selfies again

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:26 PM (zOTsN)

510 "379 i'm all in favor of eliminating ALL tax exemptions...

churches, "non-profits", everything.

let everyone ante up for all the free shit so many of those organizations lobby for all the time.

equality, bitches."

Yeah. Great idea, man. My parish spends money (as do I) to provide shelter and meals for homeless single women and children. I suspect my parish is getting a break on taxes. So, when we loose our tax exempt status, I can send these women and children over to your house then? Or, maybe you will be happy for an increase in taxes to help support them thru the govt rather than thru MY church? hmmm???

Posted by: havildar - major at June 26, 2015 02:26 PM (jpW6t)

511
Rush just mentioned Gabriel Malor.

Why??

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at June 26, 2015 02:26 PM (Ql/gh)

512 I'm not ready to quit like Chris Vaughn. Not until Article V, secession, etc. have been tried. I like the idea of an underground organization like a conservative Cosa Nostra, if nothing else works.

I am responsible for children, therefore I will have to be a man and not quit fighting.

Posted by: Old Hob at June 26, 2015 02:26 PM (FFIoe)

513 Drudge :
Elkin Calls on French Jews to Come to Israel

Immigrant Absorption Minister Ze'ev Elkin on Friday called on French Jews to make aliyah to Israel following the beheading attack in the country.

"Come home! Anti-Semitism is growing, terrorism is on the rise and the sickly ISIS activists carry out murders in the light of day. We are prepared to accept the Jews of France with open arms," he said.

Posted by: some random meathead - if you're not drinking, you're not paying attention at June 26, 2015 02:26 PM (ND90G)

514 I think that's a fine video, and should be shown in every classroom in America.
Posted by: Kevin Jennings at June 26, 2015 02:21 PM (2Ojst)


It should be shown every morning instead of the pledge of allegaince

Posted by: Oh my achin' Huck at June 26, 2015 02:27 PM (W5DcG)

515 Oh sorry to hear that. Haven't been around so had no idea.
Posted by: clarabelle at June 26, 2015 02:24 PM (jVUDI)

Heh. Nah, we just bust his balls for disappearing from here and showing up at the "respectable" joints like he's too good for us.

But yeah, good for him for making it on to Rush!

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:27 PM (AkOaV)

516 Joyrneyman the Iron Maiden song nobody knows

https://youtu.be/cYqCfibXhZg

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:27 PM (39g3+)

517 I have the TV off, but I'm sitting here *fingers crossed* hoping Choom Boy will say, "Hey! How about that gay marriage ruling!"

And hearing the hisses and boos from the black attendees. Or stoney silence.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 26, 2015 02:27 PM (FsuaD)

518 Why??
Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at June 26, 2015 02:26 PM (Ql/gh)

I believe it came up in the context of traitorous lawyers.

///

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:27 PM (AkOaV)

519 A double Doobie dose

Listen to the Music
https://youtu.be/wLf--6RJbbc

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:28 PM (39g3+)

520 But yeah, good for him for making it on to Rush!

------

Still he is completely wrong about judicial supremacy.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:28 PM (gmeXX)

521 >>>> We have lost the culture war. The shooting war hasn't started yet but the culture war is pushing us in that direction

This keeps coming up like a bad penny. I see no "wartime leaders" nor even a "wartime consiglieri" on *any* horizon. Do you?

Bah.

Posted by: Bigby's Nintendo Power Glove at June 26, 2015 02:28 PM (3ZtZW)

522 Music is the Doctor

https://youtu.be/I5FbGceqUaY

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:28 PM (39g3+)

523

Remember, not ALL gay people wanted this fight.

One guy I know did not think gay marriage was an issue.

Others, just want to be left alone on so many other issues. They want to be a "person," not a "gay person."

Gays have their own churches, as least they did in LA. One I attended was open and kind, and did not seem radical at all. They were not advocating from the pulpit.

Remember, just like the race baiting activists, it's a smaller-than-you-think group of people who thrive to push their agendas.

Don't clump them all together.

There are gays that believe in marriage, and DO NOT want to attack Christianity, as well. They find this all repulsive.

Yeah, I have and have had a lot of gay friends throughout my life. This is personal observation.



Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 26, 2015 02:28 PM (qCMvj)

524 AME not big on gay marriage

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:28 PM (zOTsN)

525 Or, maybe you will be happy for an increase in taxes to help support them thru the govt rather than thru MY church? hmmm???
Posted by: havildar - major at June 26, 2015 02:26 PM (jpW6t)

OOOOOOOoooohhh I see.

Well isn't that interesting?

You want "corporate welfare" for your church in the form of exemption from ALL TAXES so that you can then around and give said welfare to the poor (after the church takes its vig, natch).

Interesting... Hmmm...

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:29 PM (AkOaV)

526 Hopefully that preacher from the inauguration will do hi 'when will white do what is right' rap again. Because healing.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 26, 2015 02:29 PM (oVJmc)

527 I think Gabe wrote something about republicans wanting TFGCare kept in place or people who have them & lose them would be pissed off.

Posted by: Carol at June 26, 2015 02:29 PM (sj3Ax)

528 >>> Come to Texas - you will see overpacked churches of all denominations with a lot of young people and vibrant youth groups

Free AC

Posted by: Bigby's Nintendo Power Glove at June 26, 2015 02:29 PM (3ZtZW)

529
Well, they're ALL still perverts, though.

Yes ALL homosexuals are perverts.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at June 26, 2015 02:29 PM (Ql/gh)

530 Songs About Me

https://youtu.be/InC9RuNFa7c

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:29 PM (39g3+)

531
There are gays that believe in marriage, and DO NOT want to attack Christianity, as well.


huh

Posted by: Peaceful Muslims at June 26, 2015 02:30 PM (ND90G)

532 524
AME not big on gay marriage

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:28 PM (zOTsN)


At All

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 26, 2015 02:30 PM (FsuaD)

533 ***"Texans support gay marriage by majorities and I would wager young people make up a big part of that."***


Young people are so indoctrinated into gay marriage that you can't even sway your own kids unless you cut power to the house and keep them locked indoors. I speak from experience.


They are bombarded with it on the internet; on social media; on TV programs, news broadcasts, and commercials; their friends; school curricula and student groups. Most people think 30% of the population is gay. There are groups in there GSAs in the military. Gay activism is on the rise in the military.


The Left waged total war and they waged it well.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 26, 2015 02:30 PM (xSCb6)

534 527 I think Gabe wrote something about republicans wanting TFGCare kept in place or people who have them & lose them would be pissed off.
Posted by: Carol at June 26, 2015 02:29 PM (sj3Ax)

Gabe was also fond of calling opponents of gayrriage "anti-civil-rights."

Posted by: Insomniac at June 26, 2015 02:30 PM (2Ojst)

535 Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:25 PM (AkOaV)

My boss has about had enough.

We mix it up. POW-MIA flag. I have just added the Moultrie to the mix. We both have a Charleston connection.

BTW. SirFourPutt's white side is showing. He ain't got no rhythm to the black folk in Charleston. The guy at the podium was trying to lead him. Didn't work.

Posted by: Golfman at June 26, 2015 02:30 PM (48QDY)

536 Maybe you guys could explain it. Nine people were killed in a church while they were praying. A church is a holy place and therefore that was a more heinous crime owing to the location. So then why are people saying it's a black/white thing and not discussing the violation of people praying in their House of Worship.

No one seems to want to discuss this aspect that was on everyone's mind as they attended Sunday services.

Posted by: clarabelle at June 26, 2015 02:30 PM (jVUDI)

537 Yeah, I have and have had a lot of gay friends throughout my life. This is personal observation.


You can't say artisanal 'ette without artisan.

j/k

Posted by: eleven at June 26, 2015 02:30 PM (MDgS8)

538 "Anyone know a bunch of people under 30 or so who are devoutly religious? I don't."

I do. First, you have to get out of the Unreal City.

Posted by: Feh at June 26, 2015 02:30 PM (nqR7l)

539 You want "corporate welfare" for your church in the form of exemption from ALL TAXES so that you can then around and give said welfare to the poor (after the church takes its vig, natch).

-----

Here is the thing - most people do not benefit much from their charitable deductions. Eliminating the deduction will probably not affect churches and those charities that serve the poor, the sick, etc. But if I was a symphony that relied on rich people to make a $10,000 donation per year - I might be a little more worried.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:31 PM (gmeXX)

540 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 26, 2015 02:28 PM (qCMvj)

I've been saying this for a while.

I think its a small ish (under 100 people) group of gay activist (mostly lawyers from SF bay area) who push all of this gaystapo shit.

Now, a lot of gay people are on board in the sense that they don't really pay attention and just want to be left alone.

but the gay people I know are not on board with punishing christians for disagreeing with their lifestyle choices. As one of my gay friends said, "shit, my own PARENTS don't even approve of my lifestyle choices, I'm not going to try to force the rest of the country to!"

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:31 PM (AkOaV)

541 "gayrriage"

Now that's interesting.

Posted by: Feh at June 26, 2015 02:31 PM (nqR7l)

542 Dylan Roof is gay....no female interests at all...

Posted by: Mr Wizard at June 26, 2015 02:31 PM (eOpVe)

543 Johnny hit and run Pauline by X. And I'm feeling like Pauline.

Posted by: tinfoilbaby at June 26, 2015 02:31 PM (H3SRF)

544 Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:31 PM (gmeXX)

Right.

I think churches should be taxed just like anyone else, and I don't think it would kill them or anyone else.

And if they were taxed, they'd be free to do / say whatever they want and not be constantly worried about "losing their tax free status"

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:32 PM (AkOaV)

545 Invincible - Two Steps from Hell

https://youtu.be/XPiWUq5DUjE

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:32 PM (39g3+)

546 541 "gayrriage"

Now that's interesting.
Posted by: Feh at June 26, 2015 02:31 PM (nqR7l)

I sure as hell won't call it "marriage," because it isn't.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 26, 2015 02:32 PM (2Ojst)

547 We mix it up. POW-MIA flag. I have just added the Moultrie to the mix. We both have a Charleston connection.

----

You should throw in a Texas Gonzalez battle flat - "Come and Take It" - to the mix.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:32 PM (gmeXX)

548 Hopefully that preacher from the inauguration will do hi 'when will white do what is right' rap again. Because healing.

Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around, when yellow will be mellow, when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white will embrace what is right. That all those who do justice and love mercy say Amen.

Posted by: Joe Lowery at June 26, 2015 02:32 PM (W5DcG)

549 I think its a small ish (under 100 people) group of gay activist (mostly
lawyers from SF bay area) who push all of this gaystapo shit.


The plaintiffs in today's case were from Ohio.

Posted by: HR braucht ein paar Wuerste at June 26, 2015 02:33 PM (ZKzrr)

550 So then why are people saying it's a black/white thing and not
discussing the violation of people praying in their House of Worship.


Because they're exploiting for their own purposes.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 26, 2015 02:33 PM (oVJmc)

551 The clown doesn't even bow his head during prayer. If he had a hat he'd have left it on.

Posted by: Golfman at June 26, 2015 02:33 PM (48QDY)

552 The Avengers main theme song

https://youtu.be/8VGJGXMUhmc

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:33 PM (39g3+)

553 poodcast thread up if anyone is interested

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:33 PM (AkOaV)

554 Dylan Roof is gay....no female interests at all...


Which I'm sure was a two way street.

Posted by: eleven at June 26, 2015 02:33 PM (MDgS8)

555 Some of the fastest growing local churches here are made up of young people. The services feature contemporary Christian music, etc.

Son attended an Easter service a year ago here that had 2,000+ people, mostly 20-somethings.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 26, 2015 02:33 PM (FsuaD)

556 Remember, not ALL gay people wanted this fight. One guy I know did not think gay marriage was an issue. Others, just want to be left alone on so many other issues. They want to be a "person," not a "gay person."

Yo.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 26, 2015 02:33 PM (O7MnT)

557 And if they were taxed, they'd be free to do / say whatever they want and not be constantly worried about "losing their tax free status"
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:32 PM (AkOaV)


As long as deductions are in place, the church could zero out any 'profits'. It would matter to those who tithe.

Posted by: just saying at June 26, 2015 02:33 PM (wkuqO)

558 525 Or, maybe you will be happy for an increase in taxes to help support them thru the govt rather than thru MY church? hmmm???
Posted by: havildar - major at June 26, 2015 02:26 PM (jpW6t)

OOOOOOOoooohhh I see.

Well isn't that interesting?

You want "corporate welfare" for your church in the form of exemption from ALL TAXES so that you can then around and give said welfare to the poor (after the church takes its vig, natch).

Interesting... Hmmm.

Simple really. Would you rather I pay for it or you?

You know that whole Faith, hope and charity thing.

Vig. That is pretty funny. You should take a peak at our weekly collections if you think we're rich.

Posted by: havildar - major at June 26, 2015 02:33 PM (jpW6t)

559 Remember folks, its not culture war unless you fight back. Culture wars are only if you try to stop the tide of filth, according to the left.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:33 PM (39g3+)

560 The plaintiffs in today's case were from Ohio.
Posted by: HR braucht ein paar Wuerste at June 26, 2015 02:33 PM (ZKzrr)

Well, the lawyers went victim shopping.

Where were their lawyers from? (granted, i'm sure they had a local Ohio lawyer involved, but what about everyone else involved?)

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:34 PM (AkOaV)

561 God bless those who witness defeat after defeat and still fantasize about eventually victory.
Posted by: Chris Vaughn at June 26, 2015 02:23 PM (Bcqod)

What do you suggest? Surrender?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 26, 2015 02:34 PM (/tNwW)

562 And if they were taxed, they'd be free to do / say whatever they want and not be constantly worried about "losing their tax free status"
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:32 PM (AkOaV)

Yeah. Just like Memories Pizza.

Posted by: Golfman at June 26, 2015 02:34 PM (48QDY)

563 I already regret the question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAvQ6PdE4OI

Posted by: DaveA at June 26, 2015 02:34 PM (DL2i+)

564 551
The clown doesn't even bow his head during prayer. If he had a hat he'd have left it on.

Posted by: Golfman at June 26, 2015 02:33 PM (48QDY)


Are you watching the service? Please report back. I can't stomach Choom Boy for one second.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 26, 2015 02:35 PM (FsuaD)

565 yes, but, can that young boy in whore make-up twerking to a song, do so in his own back yard for an hour without parental supervision?
I thought so. *His* care-givers got a waiver.

Posted by: cind at June 26, 2015 02:35 PM (nRbbW)

566
God bless those who witness defeat after defeat and still fantasize about eventually victory.

Posted by: Chris Vaughn at June 26, 2015 02:23 PM (Bcqod)








Kind of like the American experience in WWII pre-Midway, yes?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 26, 2015 02:35 PM (vXKGT)

567 Simple really. Would you rather I pay for it or you?

You know that whole Faith, hope and charity thing.

Vig. That is pretty funny. You should take a peak at our weekly collections if you think we're rich.
Posted by: havildar - major at June 26, 2015 02:33 PM (jpW6t)

Sounds like I'm paying for it either way, either by having to make up on all of the taxes your church is not paying and all of the deductions your members are taking.

Look, I'm not saying that churches don't do great work. But I am saying that I have little sympathy for them if they're going to cower behind their "tax exempt" status with a million strings attached and whine about how they're not being treated fairly.

Lose the tax exempt status, and I'll have a lot more respect for the charitable works churches do.

...and maybe then preachers can talk about current events from the pulpit without being scared of the government showing up and shutting them down.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:36 PM (AkOaV)

568 there is thinking that if tax exempt status is lost

it isnt the taxes they fear

its the loss of donations

charitabile deductions being lost would kill them

plus being taxed on property


lots of old churces are on prime real estate

if they had to pay property taxes they may not be able to afford it

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:36 PM (zOTsN)

569 Maybe you guys could explain it. Nine people were killed in a church while they were praying. A church is a holy place and therefore that was a more heinous crime owing to the location. So then why are people saying it's a black/white thing and not discussing the violation of people praying in their House of Worship.

No one seems to want to discuss this aspect that was on everyone's mind as they attended Sunday services.


1. Leftism is a mental disease.

2. Leftards cannot deal with, recognize, or comprehend Objective Reality.

3. Leftards cannot leave anyone alone to live their lives in peace. They have an unhealthy compulsion to control others, yet they cannot control themselves.

I'll think of some others soon, but that should get you started.

The world is full of crazy people.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 26, 2015 02:36 PM (eEb+d)

570 Pretty sure the power to tax is limited by the First Amendment, as if the Court gave a damn.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 26, 2015 02:37 PM (8rRE+)

571 Yeah. Just like Memories Pizza.
Posted by: Golfman at June 26, 2015 02:34 PM (48QDY)

Heh. Well, slightly different situation there.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:37 PM (AkOaV)

572 I'm leaning toward the guys who are against "free range" kids with men around who'd do that to a boy.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:38 PM (39g3+)

573 Those of you who are justifiably praising the presence of young people in all of these churches, do you know their stance on gay marriage?


I think you might be disappointed.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 26, 2015 02:38 PM (xSCb6)

574 lots of old churces are on prime real estate

if they had to pay property taxes they may not be able to afford it
Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:36 PM (zOTsN)

Yeah... but I, as an agnostic / atheist / whatever am essentially subsidizing that church on prime real estate by paying higher property taxes on my not-so-prime real estate so that believers can go to the prime real estate to go to church.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:39 PM (AkOaV)

575 I looked, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.

Posted by: John at June 26, 2015 02:39 PM (fUjxW)

576 church loses its tax exempt status

that state goes after its property tax hammer and tong

and if they can't pay the property tax

state seizes the property


nice church you got there

hate to see anything happen to it

imagine all the prime real estate in every american large city going to the city or the state

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:39 PM (zOTsN)

577 Ace, derides the slippery slope argument here everyday.

He's living it but still can't see it.

Posted by: Birthers are right at June 26, 2015 02:40 PM (6zSiC)

578 I would like to marry my spirit animal.

To avoid Kennedy's "loneliness."

Posted by: Feh at June 26, 2015 02:40 PM (nqR7l)

579 Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 26, 2015 02:35 PM (FsuaD)

He's not there yet. As many as there are on stage he might go up about 630.

Except for the brown nosing opening prayer (when mentioning Christ I thought the guy was going to point at the Chosen One) the hymns are the same we (they) sing in preaching. Good scripture choices.

Posted by: Golfman at June 26, 2015 02:40 PM (48QDY)

580 I feel profoundly sorry for all the children in this country who will grow up in this leftist swamp.

Posted by: gracepmc at June 26, 2015 02:40 PM (DMQhB)

581
nice church you got there

hate to see anything happen to it

imagine all the prime real estate in every american large city going to the city or the state

--

That's how revolutionary France monetized their assignats.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 26, 2015 02:41 PM (79zi+)

582 "do you know their stance on gay marriage?"

I do, but no, I'm not disappointed. It's an opportunity to discuss and discover the truth.

Posted by: Feh at June 26, 2015 02:41 PM (nqR7l)

583 My stand on taxing churches. The power to tax is the power to destroy, keep that in mind especially after seeing the government run amok.

Posted by: just saying at June 26, 2015 02:41 PM (wkuqO)

584 if they had to pay property taxes they may not be able to afford it
Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:36 PM (zOTsN)

Yeah... but I, as an agnostic / atheist / whatever am essentially subsidizing that church on prime real estate by paying higher property taxes on my not-so-prime real estate so that believers can go to the prime real estate to go to church.

------

Property taxes are local. Texas would not tax churches. Could change. But I'm willing to leave that in the hands of the state. Like it was at the founding.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:41 PM (gmeXX)

585 "but the gay people I know are not on board with punishing christians for disagreeing with their lifestyle choices."

Where I am, gay liberals AND straight liberals were absolutely ecstatic, in transports of giddy delight, over people having their businesses destroyed and livelihoods taken away.

Thus punished for what? For those persons having the temerity to assert personal religious beliefs in a peaceable way, or participate in the political process.

So there are a *lot* of people who are in fact "on board with punishing christians for disagreeing with their lifestyle choices", and not all of those people are gay.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 26, 2015 02:41 PM (noWW6)

586 Yeah... but I, as an agnostic / atheist / whatever am essentially subsidizing that church on prime real estate by paying higher property taxes on my not-so-prime real estate so that believers can go to the prime real estate to go to church.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:39 PM (AkOaV)

No. No money flows from you to the church as a result of that exemption.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 26, 2015 02:42 PM (8rRE+)

587 Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:41 PM (gmeXX)

See the 10th Amendment and the happenings of the last two days.

Then See Allen G

Posted by: Golfman at June 26, 2015 02:42 PM (48QDY)

588 Property taxes are local. Texas would not tax churches. Could change. But I'm willing to leave that in the hands of the state. Like it was at the founding.
Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:41 PM (gmeXX)

Fair enough!

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:42 PM (AkOaV)

589 Well the thermometer says the water is boiling hot but I don't feel any differently.

Posted by: Libertarian Idiot Frog at June 26, 2015 02:43 PM (6zSiC)

590 My stand on taxing churches. The power to tax is the power to destroy, keep that in mind especially after seeing the government run amok.

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The power to tax-exempt is the power to control. My preferred preference is zero corporate income taxes. That would eliminate the need for any tax-exemptions.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:43 PM (gmeXX)

591 No one seems to want to discuss this aspect that was on everyone's mind as they attended Sunday services. "

To the media, Race is sacred, and religion a shameful choice.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 26, 2015 02:43 PM (8rRE+)

592 imagine all the prime real estate in every american large city going to the city or the state>>>

Need more real estate for inner city light rail baby.

Posted by: Joey Choo Choo at June 26, 2015 02:43 PM (tf9Ne)

593 thats what Henry the VIII did


taxed the jeebus out of churces that disagreed with him

seized thier land

gave it to clerics he liked or noblemen hewanted to pay off

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:43 PM (zOTsN)

594 God bless those who witness defeat after defeat and still fantasize about eventually victory.



Posted by: Chris Vaughn


For believers, yes, there will eventually be Victory.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 26, 2015 02:43 PM (/Ho8c)

595 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 26, 2015 02:28 PM (qCMvj)


It's like I said on the last thread, you cannot have a small group wield this much power without the tacit support of large numbers of people.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 26, 2015 02:44 PM (xSCb6)

596 I feel profoundly sorry for all the children in this country who will grow up in this leftist swamp.

I could cry for My Little G'Dette. Hopefully, her Mom will keep her head on straight. Her dad's an OBot tho'.

I do my best while she's here with us.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 26, 2015 02:44 PM (eEb+d)

597 It's still just Ground Zero Gay Day 1 but already the smoke's lifting a bit, enough to reveal some of the more significant new developments - among them:

Justice Kennedy just now signed the order that mandates Ace and Maetenloch to 4-way gaymarry Floppin' Aces and BenK's box turtle or else all 4 become subject to arbitrary solitary confinement while the IRS audits the crap out of them and Obama personally spikes their guns.

The worst of it is the turtle's underage.

Posted by: Wax the Jungle Hog at June 26, 2015 02:44 PM (lqeGC)

598 See the 10th Amendment and the happenings of the last two days.

Then See Allen G
Posted by: Golfman at June 26, 2015 02:42 PM (48QDY)

-----

Well when the federal government starts taxing real property - we'll probably have bigger problems. As if our problems aren't big enough.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:44 PM (gmeXX)

599 Thus punished for what? For those persons having
the temerity to assert personal religious beliefs in a peaceable way,
or participate in the political process.

So there are a *lot* of
people who are in fact "on board with punishing christians for
disagreeing with their lifestyle choices", and not all of those people
are gay.


Posted by: torquewrench at June 26, 2015 02:41 PM (noWW6)


I see your problem. The Muslims have solved this dilemma.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 26, 2015 02:45 PM (oKE6c)

600 Friendly reminder: there is no such thing as "homophobia", and if there were, it would not have been designated as such. More likely "sodophobia".
===

Get that Pepsi away from me! Ew! Ew!

Posted by: despair at June 26, 2015 02:45 PM (J6suc)

601 torque

That's right. It's important to understand the nature of desire among Lefties. It's always bound up with dominance and control, and it's often expressed in erotic terms. They are ecstatic in thinking about Christians as submissives.

Which just points to their own deformed, sexually abused psyches.

Posted by: Feh at June 26, 2015 02:46 PM (nqR7l)

602 when the divorce rate is high



and out of wedlock birth is high



a huge chunk of young people are wholly unfamiliar with "traditional marriage" in reality

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:19 PM (zOTsN)

The start of this Godless road we find ourselves on was Roe v. Wade and the passage of no-fault divorce laws in states.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 26, 2015 02:46 PM (OrI3J)

603 To be fair, there is nothing preventing any state from taxing a Church's property right now? States are free to do that now.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:46 PM (gmeXX)

604 churches are not taxed on their real estate because they have tax exempt status

they lose that status, they will be taxed. count on it

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:46 PM (zOTsN)

605 For believers, yes, there will eventually be Victory.

The Big Guy could hurry up. This is getting pretty bad.

And then the next day, it gets worse.

#WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 26, 2015 02:47 PM (eEb+d)

606 His gay parents. Duh.
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at June 26, 2015 01:21 PM (JgC5a)

That kid is Brazilian. He could be one of many street children who are out there peddling their ass in order to eat.

Moo said, with typical inaccuracy, that almost all of the commenters over there were saying things like "I'm gay and I'm disgusted by this."

No- it's more like a 50-50 split. Some are disgusted (and quite a few of the disgusted ones say they are not gay) but there's also some NAMBLA fans over there saying stuff like "It's Brazilian culture!" and "He's having fun! It's totes not sexual at all!!"

And some squawk about those terrible prudish homophobe Christianists - gee they sound exactly like Moo.

Moo, you want to get rid of Christianity? This is where you end up, idiot.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at June 26, 2015 02:47 PM (+XMAD)

607 The power to tax-exempt is the power to control. My preferred preference is zero corporate income taxes. That would eliminate the need for any tax-exemptions.
Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:43 PM (gmeXX)

Corporations can pay no tax. See GE. Churches and make expenses and income equal. No tax. It is all about donations. I'm somewhat agnostic on the deductions myself and we take them. However, having said that, Churches are protected by the 1st amendment and in this environment where the government is quickly turning hateful toward religion what would you do. Insure their demise too?

Posted by: just saying at June 26, 2015 02:48 PM (wkuqO)

608 "they lose that status, they will be taxed. count on it"

and look for church ceremonies to be defined as "public accommodations"

tempus fugit

Posted by: Feh at June 26, 2015 02:48 PM (nqR7l)

609 602. Don't forget ol LBJ forbidding churches from preaching about politics. To me, that will always be the beginning of the real end of true religious freedom in the USA.

Posted by: Nick in South Bend at June 26, 2015 02:48 PM (zOWjo)

610 There seems to be some misunderstanding about what tax exemptions are about and why they exist. The presumption is that tax exempt organizations such as charities, non profit businesses like the one my brother runs (they check quality of milk for proteins etc for better productivity) are providing such quality of life and benefit to society that they are actually saving the government money in other expenses. Further, some are doing the work that the government might have to pay for, and hence are again saving money from taxpayers.

Thus, they aren't taxed the same way - or at all - because they represent a net reduction in tax burden. Its not a subsidy. Its a tax cut; its private people doing what government might otherwise.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:48 PM (39g3+)

611 Standing ovation.

Posted by: Soona at June 26, 2015 02:49 PM (P25Hh)

612 The power to tax-exempt is the power to control. My preferred preference is zero corporate income taxes. That would eliminate the need for any tax-exemptions.
Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:43 PM (gmeXX)

I could definitely get on board with that, too.

Idiots don't realize that all "corporate" taxes are allll passed through to customers and employees.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:49 PM (AkOaV)

613 According to former White House senior policy analyst Jeff Schweitzer, PhD, US churches own $300-$500 billion in untaxed property. [9] New York City alone loses $627 million in annual property tax revenue due to 9,500 churches being tax-exempt, according to a July 2011 analysis by New York's nonpartisan Independent Budget Office. [1

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:49 PM (zOTsN)

614 churches are not taxed on their real estate because they have tax exempt status

they lose that status, they will be taxed. count on it

-----

that is not true across the board. Texas property tax exemption is not completely based on being recognized as a 501(c)(3).

The two are not synonomous.

A state is free to tax a church or free to not tax a church.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:49 PM (gmeXX)

615 To be fair, there is nothing preventing any state from taxing a Church's property right now? States are free to do that now."

There's a former cathedral in Los Angeles that the Catholics don't want to retrofit from earthquake damage, but they are forbidden to demolish because it is a historic landmark.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 26, 2015 02:49 PM (8rRE+)

616 Noodcast time.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 26, 2015 02:50 PM (0NdlF)

617 A state is free to tax a church or free to not tax a church.

Posted by: SH


For now.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 26, 2015 02:50 PM (/Ho8c)

618 Thus, they aren't taxed the same way - or at all - because they represent a net reduction in tax burden. Its not a subsidy. Its a tax cut; its private people doing what government might otherwise.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:48 PM (39g3+)

If you look at the world from the perspective that it's governments role to do those things and they're simply outsourcing it, fine.

I don't.

The Clinton "charity" for example is tax exempt. Lots of "charities" like that out there.

Like Media Matters.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:50 PM (AkOaV)

619 For believers, yes, there will eventually be Victory.

Josh Turner, Long Black Train

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=PyRZTAmcW7c

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 26, 2015 02:50 PM (tf9Ne)

620 609 602. Don't forget ol LBJ forbidding churches from preaching about politics. To me, that will always be the beginning of the real end of true religious freedom in the USA.
Posted by: Nick in South Bend at June 26, 2015 02:48 PM (zOWjo)

To be fair many black churches are very political.

Posted by: just saying at June 26, 2015 02:50 PM (wkuqO)

621 604 churches are not taxed on their real estate because they have tax exempt status

they lose that status, they will be taxed. count on it

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:46 PM (zOTsN)




Absolutely. They're like 401(k)s: all that lovely money there just for the taking, exerting that siren call to liberals everywhere.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 26, 2015 02:50 PM (oKE6c)

622 >>To be fair, there is nothing preventing any state from taxing a Church's property right now? States are free to do that now."

I vaguely recall the state of Californica helping Costco use eminent domain to takeover church land.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 26, 2015 02:51 PM (O7MnT)

623 For believers, yes, there will eventually be Victory.

Yeah I peeked at the end of the book. Its a rough road but it turns out even better than we can imagine.

The start of this Godless road we find ourselves on was Roe v. Wade and the passage of no-fault divorce laws in states.

It started earlier than that, but those are pretty huge mileposts.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:51 PM (39g3+)

624 now look at my post at 613 and tell me they havent been salivating at the prospect of levying property taxes on churches

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:51 PM (zOTsN)

625 I see nothing wrong with a political church at all. If you don't want to attend, then don't. If you love it, help it grow.

The government interfering is not the answer one way or the other.

Posted by: Nick in South Bend at June 26, 2015 02:52 PM (zOWjo)

626 Rush is back to reading Gabriel Malor's article.

He's devoting a lot of time for this.

Posted by: clarabelle at June 26, 2015 02:52 PM (jVUDI)

627 Que Viva?

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 26, 2015 02:52 PM (/Ho8c)

628 Corporations can pay no tax. See GE. Churches and make expenses and income equal. No tax. It is all about donations.

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Only if they want to be forced to spend all their income - which a lot of corporations and churches do not want to do.

Yes - the deduction issue is different than the exemption issue. But I'd just as willing get rid of the charitable deduction as well. (of course only if the rate were lowered).

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:53 PM (gmeXX)

629 Thus, they aren't taxed the same way - or at all - because they represent a net reduction in tax burden. Its not a subsidy. Its a tax cut; its private people doing what government might otherwise.

There's also the concept of something not being under one's tax jurisdiction. Back when this was a more godly nation, there was an idea of God's money not being for the government to take.

The State is a jealous idol.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 26, 2015 02:53 PM (0NdlF)

630 Many communities have ordinances against having a home church. "too many parked cars on the street' or something something.

Posted by: just saying at June 26, 2015 02:53 PM (wkuqO)

631 "but the gay people I know are not on board with punishing christians for disagreeing with their lifestyle choices. As one of my gay friends said, "shit, my own PARENTS don't even approve of my lifestyle choices, I'm not going to try to force the rest of the country to!""

aaaaah, the elusive moderate ghey (like the elusive moderate muslim). What's the old saying

if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

The 'moderate' ghey is a nihilist who does not think beyond his nose and his sorry short life. They want the toy and they want it now, be damned the future (the future is for breeders)

Posted by: fromabroad at June 26, 2015 02:53 PM (rnV3B)

632 Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:51 PM (zOTsN)

Oh, I'm sure they have.

Look, I'm not trying to destroy churches. I'm not even against them not paying property taxes (really). I'm just uncomfortable with them being... subservient(?) to the federal government with the government dangling tax exempt status over them.

And I think its unseemly that churches play ball. It's almost as if the government is bribing them with my tax dollars.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:53 PM (AkOaV)

633 The Clinton "charity" for example is tax exempt. Lots of "charities" like that out there.

Like Media Matters.


I agree there are a lot of groups that blatantly abuse the laws and are providing now positive social benefit or proxy government work (just about every leftist organization that has ever been created). But that's not a condemnation of the law or concept any more than guns = murder.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:53 PM (39g3+)

634 Idiots don't realize that all "corporate" taxes are allll passed through to customers and employees.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:49 PM (AkOaV)

Yep. It amazes me how few people grasp this. Or the fact that government employees don't pay taxes. If I pay you $100, then tax you $50, have you paid taxes? Or did you just get paid $50?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 26, 2015 02:54 PM (oKE6c)

635 Exempting churches from taxation costs the government billions of dollars in lost revenue, which it cannot afford, especially in tough economic times. According to former White House senior policy analyst Jeff Schweitzer, PhD, US churches own $300-$500 billion in untaxed property. [9] New York's nonpartisan Independent Budget Office determined in July 2011 that New York City alone loses $627 million in property tax revenue. [11] Lakewood Church, a "megachurch" in Houston, TX, earns $75 million in annual untaxed revenue, and the Church of Scientology's annual income exceeds $500 million

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:54 PM (zOTsN)

636 For believers, yes, there will eventually be Victory.
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Yeah I peeked at the end of the book. Its a rough road but it turns out even better than we can imagine.


Even better, we have already won.

There are still battles ahead, but the war is already decided. Fight hard, and we will claim spoils fitting our work.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 26, 2015 02:55 PM (0NdlF)

637 "Don't forget ol LBJ forbidding churches from preaching about politics."

Some churches.

Black churches routinely engage in explicitly political sermons from the pulpit, to include candidate and initiative endorsements, fundraising and pamphleteering and GOTV on church premises, slate cards printed using church materials and equipment, you name it.

Here in Commiefornia, black churches openly agitated in favor of Prop 8, the anti-gay-marriage initiative. This presented liberals with quite the conundrum. Denounce blacks for sexual-politics deviationism? But nothing denunciatory can *ever* be said against blacks. That would be racism.

Ah! A solution is to hand! The mess will all be blamed on the Mormons.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 26, 2015 02:55 PM (noWW6)

638 Catholic churches are fairly political, newhandle. They're stupidly liberal apart from abortion, so I'd welcome less of it myself.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 26, 2015 02:55 PM (8rRE+)

639 Absolutely. They're like 401(k)s: all that lovely money there just for the taking, exerting that siren call to liberals everywhere.

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I'm sorry I have to correct this. There is absolutely nothing preventing a state from taxing the real property of churches. A state can impose whatever tax it wants on churches. It really has nothing to do with a federal tax-exemption. Though I agree that if you eliminate that it may give the states political cover to start taxing churches as well. But they are free to do this now (subject to their own constitutions).

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:56 PM (gmeXX)

640 Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 02:53 PM (gmeXX)

Sure. Some kind of flat tax. If it makes the liberals happy, exempt the first $25,000 or whatever of EVERY wage earners income.

Then tax all income -- regardless of source -- at the same, flat rate.

In fact, Rand Paul had a VERY interesting proposal along those lines. I think 14% was the number he used.

I'd like to see it in single digits, but I could live with a 14% tax rate.

No FICA deduction, no exemptions, deductions, exclusions, tax exemptions, tax credits, or anything else.

If taxes are about raising revenues and not about social engineering, than that is the best / fairest / easiest way to collect an income tax.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:56 PM (AkOaV)

641 On May 4, 1970, the US Supreme Court upheld property tax exemptions for churches, declaring them to be in accordance with the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the US Constitution. In the majority opinion written by Chief Justice Warren E. Burger in Walz v. Tax Commission of the City of New York, the Court stated in its 8-1 decision that the exemptions did not equate with "the 'establishment' of a religion [that] connoted sponsorship, financial support, and active involvement of the sovereign in religious activity," all of which are prohibited. [5] [53] The Court also defended the tax benefit on the basis that churches "foster [the community's] 'moral or mental improvement.'" Furthermore, the court warned that taxing churches would be a violation of the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment, which bars government interference in religious affairs. [5

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:56 PM (zOTsN)

642 630 Many communities have ordinances against having a home church. "too many parked cars on the street' or something something.

We'll figure it out. Bikes, carpooling, more focus on smaller cell groups - they can't stop the signal.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 26, 2015 02:57 PM (0NdlF)

643 And I think its unseemly that churches play ball. It's almost as if the government is bribing them with my tax dollars.

To the extent that they are cowtowing to the government, I agree. But a Christian church is to be preaching the Gospel, to give the word of God, to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. Not be a political platform. The preacher should be preaching Christ and Him crucified, not the latest hot button news topic or political candidate. For a Christian church, avoiding politics should be the default, not what they feel compelled to do.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:57 PM (39g3+)

644 By political I mean they offer counsel on immigration, abortion, doctor-assisted suicide, capital punishment, and health care.
They're continually sucked into a trap of saying "Hey let's build a caring government solution" and then protesting when the government tramples the Catholic conscience, but maybe I'm smarter than most bishops.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 26, 2015 02:58 PM (8rRE+)

645 638 Catholic churches are fairly political, newhandle. They're stupidly liberal apart from abortion, so I'd welcome less of it myself.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 26, 2015 02:55 PM (8rRE+)

Any church can / does lose their exemption if they endorse candidates or get political from the pulpit.

Of course, depends on your political views.

Black churches endorsing Democrats? No problem.

Catholic churches advocating for socialized medicine? No problem

Evangelical churches advocating voting for conservatives? That would be a problem.

And soon enough, churches talking about gay marriage and/or refusing to endorse and celebrate it will be on the chopping block too.

No skin off my balls though... like I said, I'm not really the church type.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:58 PM (AkOaV)

646 Oh Thunder B, that's too legalistic for today's Court.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 26, 2015 02:59 PM (8rRE+)

647 We'll figure it out. Bikes, carpooling, more focus on smaller cell groups - they can't stop the signal.

Yeah. Skype, carpool, walk. They can't stop the gospel. Better, bigger, scarier, and more awful men have tried. Tried and fallen by the wayside. The gates of hell cannot stand against the church of Christ.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:59 PM (39g3+)

648 No. No money flows from you to the church as a result of that exemption.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 26, 2015 02:42 PM (8rRE+)

Don't you know? To a leftist, everything and everyone belongs to the state... so the state not taking someone's money is exactly like the state giving them money.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 26, 2015 02:59 PM (OrI3J)

649
Furthermore, the court warned that taxing churches would be a violation of the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment, which bars government interference in religious affairs.
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Emphasis mine

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 26, 2015 02:59 PM (79zi+)

650 "Catholic churches are fairly political, newhandle. They're stupidly
liberal apart from abortion, so I'd welcome less of it myself."

It also is not lost on observers that the U.S. Catholic hierarchy are *far* more vocal and actively involved in lefty social-justice movements than they ever have been in the anti-abortion movement.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 26, 2015 03:00 PM (noWW6)

651 Oh Thunder B, that's too legalistic for today's Court.

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That ruling holds that a state can give a tax-exemption to a church. Not that it must.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 03:00 PM (gmeXX)

652 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 02:57 PM (39g3+)

So you agree with the government telling a pastor, "you cannot tell your flock to vote for candidate x or vote based on x conditions, because candidate y is for abortion and gay marriage"?

Because that's what you're endorsing.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 03:00 PM (AkOaV)

653 Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 02:56 PM (zOTsN)


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This precedent will be swept under the rug and forgotten in the coming months. The SCOTUS, the regime, and the MFM will make sure of that.

Posted by: Soona at June 26, 2015 03:01 PM (P25Hh)

654 Oh yes, let's keep arguing about the deck chairs.

None of this is legal. None of it.

F*ck Them.

Lots of cowards planning on submitting to this illegal crap.

Posted by: Birthers are right at June 26, 2015 03:01 PM (6zSiC)

655 No. No money flows from you to the church as a result of that exemption.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 26, 2015 02:42 PM (8rRE+)


No, but if my town needs $40 million in tax revenue to balance their budgets, and there are 5 churches sitting on what would be assessed at $100,000 a year in property taxes... well, yeah, my property taxes go up.

Same is true for income taxes and everything else.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 03:02 PM (AkOaV)

656 Furthermore, the court warned that taxing churches
would be a violation of the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment,
which bars government interference in religious affairs.
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Emphasis mine

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 26, 2015 02:59 PM (79zi+)

Just like the Court assured, in Lawrence v. Texas that striking down anti-sodomy laws would not lead to homosexual marriage. So there is that.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 26, 2015 03:02 PM (OrI3J)

657 So you agree with the government telling a pastor, "you cannot tell your flock to vote for candidate x or vote based on x conditions, because candidate y is for abortion and gay marriage"?

No. I am simply saying that the duty of the church is to preach the gospel, not preach politics. Not endorse any candidate. Not preach against any legislation. Preach against sin, starting with ourselves, but not specific people or politics. peach salvation by God, not by men in office or lawyers.

The church's job is NOT to endorse or push candidates or issues. That's the kingdom of man. A well-taught, Biblically-informed, and Godly congregation will be able to make wise and Christian choices without needing the pastor to list them. Teach the truth and God's word and people will be equipped to face the kingdom of man.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 03:04 PM (39g3+)

658 Evangelical churches advocating voting for conservatives? That would be a problem.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 02:58 PM (AkOaV)

That's why so many churches are dwindling. Much like the GOPe. Not standing for any ideal. Just trying to appease. Tippy-toeing around teh gheys because there MIGHT BE one in the congregation.

Allah is gonna slip out in a minute.

Posted by: Golfman at June 26, 2015 03:05 PM (48QDY)

659 Just like the Court assured, in Lawrence v. Texas that striking down anti-sodomy laws would not lead to homosexual marriage.

Yeah Scalia warned them, sternly. And we're just getting started on the road he warned them they'd started down. But like a petulant child, they didn't care, they knew better, and fuck you for saying otherwise, bigot.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 03:05 PM (39g3+)

660 656 Furthermore, the court warned that taxing churches
would be a violation of the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment,
which bars government interference in religious affairs.
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Emphasis mine

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 26, 2015 02:59 PM (79zi+)

But they would rule , just as they have when Churches participate directly in politics, that they waived their right to protection under the Free Exercise clause.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 26, 2015 03:06 PM (Q4pU/)

661 I have no problem with Catholic Churches in the US losing their tax exempt status. We have become too bloated. May I suggest we start with the parishes of anthony kennedy and john roberts?

Posted by: Nora, orthodox Catholic at June 26, 2015 03:06 PM (RGgMp)

662 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 03:04 PM (39g3+)

That's what I was trying to say.

Posted by: Golfman at June 26, 2015 03:06 PM (48QDY)

663 The church's job is NOT to endorse or push candidates or issues.

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From a biblical perspective I agree. However, from a 1st A "church" perspective I am not comfortable telling any church what it can or cannot preach. And I certainly do not want to allow the government to have that power.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 03:06 PM (gmeXX)

664 Okay, muzzies, you win.

Western civilization is done. Just take us over.

Posted by: The Spelling Police at June 26, 2015 03:06 PM (UlI/7)

665 Go on ZOMBIETIME.COM to see some photos of the annual gay street fair in San Francisco: BD-SM, public copulation, "golden showers" in the streets, etc., etc.: just like Jimmy Stewart and Donna Reed! just exactly the Same thing.

Needless to say, it's not safe for work. Man, you can't even describe it without disinfecting your brain afterwards. Every perversion imaginable, and some you would never even think of.

Posted by: Beverly at June 26, 2015 03:07 PM (dAzfW)

666 No. I am simply saying that the duty of the church is to preach the gospel, not preach politics. Not endorse any candidate. Not preach against any legislation. Preach against sin, starting with ourselves, but not specific people or politics. peach salvation by God, not by men in office or lawyers. The church's job is NOT to endorse or push candidates or issues. That's the kingdom of man. A well-taught, Biblically-informed, and Godly congregation will be able to make wise and Christian choices without needing the pastor to list them. Teach the truth and God's word and people will be equipped to face the kingdom of man.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 03:04 PM (39g3+)


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Good thing the 18th century churches of the American colonies didn't follow your opinion. It was in the churches that the revolution was actually born.

Posted by: Soona at June 26, 2015 03:08 PM (P25Hh)

667 SH is right

that ruling says the state may decide not to tax the property of churches

and the most expensive church real estate is in NY and CA

I am sure they would not use this case as a flimsey excuse to seize valuable property, to be developed by thier crony friends, who then contribute to their campaign for political office, all the while making shrewd investments in these development schemes

that would never ever happen

and as for Texas, do you really think that Mayor Annise Parker wouldnt tax and seize the churches who disagreed with her

because I think she would

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 03:08 PM (zOTsN)

668 It was in the churches that the revolution was actually born.

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I thought it was in the pubs?

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 03:08 PM (gmeXX)

669 And I certainly do not want to allow the government to have that power.
Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 03:06 PM (gmeXX)

That's basically my point.

I'm surprised more church going people don't share that view point.

But fine, churches, you want the government to have you by the balls -- then keep and enjoy your tax exempt status.

Just don't be surprised if they threaten to yank it from any church who wont perform gay marriages, thus cowtowing your church in to performing gay marriages.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 03:09 PM (AkOaV)

670 There's also the concept of something not being under one's tax jurisdiction.

This. Church's property used for religious purposes are not exempt from taxes as much they are not part of the tax base at all. If the church owned some rental property that it leased out for other than religious purposes, it should be taxable however.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at June 26, 2015 03:10 PM (evdj2)

671 and as for Texas, do you really think that Mayor Annise Parker wouldnt tax and seize the churches who disagreed with her

because I think she would

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I'm quite certain she would. Good thing she does't get to decide who qualifies for the charitable break.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 03:10 PM (gmeXX)

672 Good thing the 18th century churches of the American colonies didn't follow your opinion. It was in the churches that the revolution was actually born.
Posted by: Soona at June 26, 2015 03:08 PM (P25Hh)
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Canada is not really so bad. I mean it is not America, but it is OK.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 26, 2015 03:10 PM (NUqwG)

673 Here's the thing: The churches should never have taken any favor$ from the Uber-State. Because now the Uber-State has them over a financial barrel, and they will be sodomized.

Hillsdale College is one of the very rare organizations that has been smart enough to stay OFF THE UBER-STATE's GRID. That's how they've been able to chart their own course.

For now....

(Hillsdale, if anyone wonders, integrated racially in the 1800s, well ahead of the curve. But they did it of their own volition and out of principled conviction.)

Posted by: Beverly at June 26, 2015 03:10 PM (dAzfW)

674 I thought it was in the pubs?
Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 03:08 PM (gmeXX)
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Masonic halls.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 26, 2015 03:11 PM (NUqwG)

675 Being a pedant, it's kowtow. From koutou in Mandarin.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at June 26, 2015 03:12 PM (evdj2)

676 Getting started? Shit, we're at the end of the road.

Ann Barnhardt had a new article on Scalia at her website and she is of course, correct.

Posted by: Birthers are right at June 26, 2015 03:12 PM (6zSiC)

677 However, from a 1st A "church" perspective I am not comfortable telling any church what it can or cannot preach.

I agree, in principle its an awful thing for the government to do. Canada has already had cases where pastors were yanked before tribunals for preaching against homosexual activity. That's coming soon to the United States, and its wrong. That principle is a clear violation of the 1st amendment, whatever the Christian church's duty is.

But fine, churches, you want the government to have you by the balls -- then keep and enjoy your tax exempt status.

Which is why I emailed our pastor suggesting our church pull our tax exempt status soon as possible. And all churches should, as I noted way up there near the top, for that exact reason.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 03:12 PM (39g3+)

678 I thought it was in the pubs?
Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 03:08 PM (gmeXX)


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That was after the sermon, when church let out.

Posted by: Soona at June 26, 2015 03:12 PM (P25Hh)

679 But fine, churches, you want the government to have you by the balls -- then keep and enjoy your tax exempt status.

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I'm not sure whether this has really been tested though. There are a lot of church related tax rules that (up until now) the IRS has not been wanting to test out in the courts for fear of the Court ruling against them. Better to have the threat of a loss of tax-exemption. It is still a chilling effect.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 03:12 PM (gmeXX)

680 675 Being a pedant, it's kowtow. From koutou in Mandarin.
Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at June 26, 2015 03:12 PM (evdj2)

You can't correct me, you think some chaps have asses.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 03:13 PM (AkOaV)

681 Getting started? Shit, we're at the end of the road.

Oh no. No it gets worse from here. Pray for God's mercy and a revival of His word. There's no salvation in politicians.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 03:13 PM (39g3+)

682 you think some chaps have asses.

I've seen chaps with asses, oh yes I have.

Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at June 26, 2015 03:14 PM (evdj2)

683 Which is why I emailed our pastor suggesting our church pull our tax exempt status soon as possible. And all churches should, as I noted way up there near the top, for that exact reason.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 03:12 PM (39g3+)

Oh okay, cool, then we DO agree.

That's refreshing. No one disagreeing about anything for once.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 03:14 PM (AkOaV)

684 Which is why I emailed our pastor suggesting our church pull our tax exempt status soon as possible. And all churches should, as I noted way up there near the top, for that exact reason.

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Churches do not have to actually obtain a tax-exemption. They can, but they are not required to.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 03:14 PM (gmeXX)

685 Being a pedant, it's kowtow. From koutou in Mandarin

You're seriously going to argue about how a word originating with symbols as an alphabet must be spelled in the English alphabet?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 03:14 PM (39g3+)

686 There is no law anymore. Only willing suckers.

You are free to do what you like.

There are no more constitutional obligations.

Posted by: Birthers are right at June 26, 2015 03:14 PM (6zSiC)

687 if they lose their tax exempt status they will lose donations and will most likely have to pay property tax, some quite large, at a time when donations dwindle

this will kill churches. Especially catholic ones in big cities

dont think the Pope has figured that out yet, but his property is about to be seized

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 03:15 PM (zOTsN)

688 Churches do not have to actually obtain a tax-exemption. They can, but they are not required to.

Almost all do; and with our denominational structure, its trickier than most. The denomination pays for most of the church building and upgrades, and they own the property etc. Might not be feasible to change tax status.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 03:16 PM (39g3+)

689 this will kill churches. Especially catholic ones in big cities

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See I don't think it will kill churches in the main. I agree there may be a few churches that do not survive - but then they are hanging on by a thread anyway. But I don't contribute to my church for the tax deduction. I take it - but I would contribute anyway.

I think churches would survive. It could even cause churches to focus better on raising and spending funds.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 03:17 PM (gmeXX)

690 Being a pedant, it's kowtow. From koutou in Mandarin

You're seriously going to argue about how a word originating with symbols as an alphabet must be spelled in the English alphabet?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 03:14 PM (39g3+)
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Peiping, Peking, Beijing, Pay-cheeng

Posted by: RioBravo at June 26, 2015 03:17 PM (NUqwG)

691 Yeah Scalia warned them, sternly. And we're just getting started on the road he warned them they'd started down. But like a petulant child, they didn't care, they knew better, and fuck you for saying otherwise, bigot.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 03:05 PM (39g3+)



Yeah. It's almost as if those invoking the slippery slope argument should be listened to, instead of ridiculed.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 26, 2015 03:17 PM (oKE6c)

692 I've seen chaps with asses, oh yes I have.
Posted by: Grump928(c) withdraws his consent at June 26, 2015 03:14 PM (evdj2)

chaps with asses are called pants.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 26, 2015 03:17 PM (AkOaV)

693 dont think the Pope has figured that out yet, but his property is about to be seized

I suspect that's what will cause a change of heart in the Roman Catholic Church leadership. The people probably won't like it but when you grab them by the moneybags, a lot of organizations squeal. The American RC church barely obeys the pope to begin with.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 03:17 PM (39g3+)

694 "dont think the Pope has figured that out yet, but his property is about to be seized"

dont know if you noticed but this disgrace of pope does not exactly care about that, he is more interested in magazine covers

Posted by: fromabroad at June 26, 2015 03:18 PM (rnV3B)

695 "Oh no. No it gets worse from here. Pray for God's mercy and a revival of His word. There's no salvation in politicians."

That's a given. I was talking about the rule of law which gave it's last gasp during the coup of 2008.

Scalia has participated in this charade.

Posted by: Birthers are right at June 26, 2015 03:18 PM (6zSiC)

696 Taxes? The Pope is not going to like this.

Posted by: burt at June 26, 2015 03:19 PM (ls8AU)

697 Almost all do; and with our denominational structure, its trickier than most. The denomination pays for most of the church building and upgrades, and they own the property etc. Might not be feasible to change tax status.

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Most catholic churches do not. But they rely on the Catholic group ruling. I'm not sure how you would give up your tax-exempt status though. You are by virtue of being a church.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 03:19 PM (gmeXX)

698 It's a free country and you should do as you please, but if you sign up for the service to defend this crap, you're a fool. It's the left's oyster now, let them fight for it.

Posted by: RIK at June 26, 2015 03:19 PM (t7iQW)

699 Tunisia, Somalia, France and Kuwait suffered ISIS terrorist attacks today

Posted by: ThunderB at June 26, 2015 03:19 PM (zOTsN)

700 "Tunisia, Somalia, France and Kuwait suffered ISIS terrorist attacks today"

according to your rulers this is not the most important news of the day.

Posted by: fromabroad at June 26, 2015 03:20 PM (rnV3B)

701 Yeah. It's almost as if those invoking the slippery slope argument should be listened to, instead of ridiculed.

Yeah well. The "slippery slope" argument is a logical fallacy not because its necessarily wrong, but because its not an answer to the opponent's argument. You haven't proved him wrong, just unwise, assuming you're accurate in your warning.

Its like how an ad hominem attack may be quite true. Bob may very well be a stupid doo doo head, but that doesn't mean his argument is wrong.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 03:20 PM (39g3+)

702 But fine, churches, you want the government to have you by the balls -- then keep and enjoy your tax exempt status.

Which is why I emailed our pastor suggesting our church pull our tax exempt status soon as possible. And all churches should, as I noted way up there near the top, for that exact reason.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 03:12 PM (39g3+)


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As I said upthread, this goes beyond just the tax-exempt status. Pastors will now have to carefully watch what they preach lest they get hit with discrimination lawsuits. Same as the congregations that have businesses who wish to practice their beliefs in everyday life, as we've already seen (except that now, homos will be doubling down).

Homos are special now.

Posted by: Soona at June 26, 2015 03:20 PM (P25Hh)

703 Which is why I emailed our pastor suggesting our church pull our tax exempt status soon as possible.

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What did you mean by pulling your tax-exempt status? I'm curious how it would play out.

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 03:20 PM (gmeXX)

704 I'm not sure how you would give up your tax-exempt status though. You are by virtue of being a church.

Its not automatic, I know several churches that are not non-profits. You have to file and become a specific legal organization. You can leave it, but its going to be expensive. Like people have noted, property taxes alone will be a big hit.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 03:23 PM (39g3+)

705 Yeah well. The "slippery slope" argument is a logical fallacy not because its necessarily wrong, but because its not an answer to the opponent's argument.
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Depends on the actual slope and coefficient of friction cited.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 26, 2015 03:23 PM (NUqwG)

706 I was thinking more of asses with chaps.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 26, 2015 03:26 PM (evdj2)

707 Its not automatic, I know several churches that are not non-profits. You have to file and become a specific legal organization. You can leave it, but its going to be expensive.

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That's not true. You do not have to be organized in any specific structure to be a church. If you claim to be a church, you do not need to file anything with the IRS. I agree many do, because then they get confirmation. This helps in getting deductions - and depending on your state - may help with state taxes. But there is no federal obligation. You can self-recognize as a church; though the IRS may disagree.

Are you asking your church to give up its 501(c)(3) designation? If so, what will you be from a federal tax perspective? What return will you file?

Posted by: SH at June 26, 2015 03:26 PM (gmeXX)

708 Ok, how about this... re: taxing Churches. Tax incentives are given by municipalities and taxing authorities to attract business... sometimes these exemptions are very generous. How about a State legislature pass a bill allowing churches that refuse to comply with the ghey mandate, apply for a new code, one that that would exempt said church from property tax ( probably the highest tax any local church would face ) and the exemptions then issued in 10 year increments.

If not possible at State level, could not a county or city decide to do this on their own initiative?

Posted by: Yip at June 26, 2015 03:31 PM (e7T6D)

709 All that the 1st Amendment offers is the right to sue, possibly to the Supreme Court of making shit up.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 26, 2015 03:33 PM (8rRE+)

710 I would like to start a petition on banning the ghey rainbow flag as it offends me.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,aging Redneck Queen supermodel, has a Hobbit foot at June 26, 2015 03:36 PM (FCPu0)

711 It's not hypocritical or a lie to say "I don't care what you do in private, just keep your dirty homosexuality to yourself." Disapproving of something, or being disgusted by it, but not going so far as to want to ban it, is not internally inconsistent.

Imagine an analogy of the same form: "I don't care if you _______ in private, just keep that filthy ______ in private."

Eg. "I don't care if you smoke crack in private (prohibitions are arguably counterproductive), just keep that filthy drug habit in private." See?

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at June 26, 2015 03:37 PM (RPGKr)

712 "So, under and over on Legal Polygamy? I'm going with 5 years. It has a
much longer cultural pedigree and geographic acceptance than the new
mandatory."

Polygamy, then incest - first between consenting adults, then ... not.

We're not on the slippery slope any more. We've fallen off a cliff.

Posted by: Brown Line at June 26, 2015 03:37 PM (zcbZo)

713 Have you noticed how many ads there are now explicitly celebrating this decision. The Tylenol big ad campaign is most apparent but also other ones. The Delta web site has a big spread "celebrating marriage equality". Of course just like high school music instructors, most marketing/ad agencies are heavily gay (more so than in the Mad Men period).

Posted by: DirtyJobsGuy at June 26, 2015 03:39 PM (YZbBp)

714 So, under and over on Legal Polygamy?

2 years on the outside. Pedophilia, 5 years

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 03:44 PM (39g3+)

715 "Of course just like high school music instructors, most marketing/ad agencies are heavily gay "

this is bullshit, they can be gay as you want, but the ultimate corporate image is down to the corporation.

It is some scary shit. Would you stop flying X airline if today the website did NOT carry the fag symbols of joy?

Obviously NOT, but the atmosphere is so deranged that they felt mandatory to do it.

And you only fear for churches tax exempt status?

It will be mandatory to celebrate loudly.

Posted by: fromabroad at June 26, 2015 03:56 PM (rnV3B)

716 Since most states have gay marriages installed by judges why should that have changed all the way to the top?
Progs won't stop until the gulags open.

Posted by: Skip at June 26, 2015 04:08 PM (kTWpM)

717 Well, I never thought I'd see the day when allowing Sharia law would look appealing. Yet, here we are. As much as I hate Islam, I hate the Left even more. The Islamics are content to merely kill me for my disagreement. The Leftists will demand nothing less than belief. If not me, then any children I might have had (thank God that I have not fathered any!!) would be indoctrinated without mercy.

We've been using drones on the wrong people, it seems. Turns out that the domestic enemies were the much, much bigger threat all this time.

Let it burn. No, better - MAKE it burn. If you see a chance to tank this rotten system, take it. Let it come crashing down. If that means I can never retire, and must suffer and perish, so be it. I'd rather see all life on earth snuffed out than see the Leftists win.

Posted by: Reactionary at June 26, 2015 04:23 PM (TsW/N)

718 The defense to the end of tax exemptions is to end them ourselves. Not just for churches, but for everything except dependents and the cost of doing business for small proprietorships (eliminate taxes on corporations and partnerships) - mortgage interest, the whole nine yards. Flat, low rate that applies to all income. No more tax credits of any kind permitted.

It is good economic policy, sounder fiscal policy, and better social policy; it enables us to downsize IRS by 95%, and preempts them taking something away from churches.

As an added bonus, donations to Media Matters and the Sierra Club are also fully taxable.

Posted by: Adjoran at June 26, 2015 04:39 PM (QIQ6j)

719 Well...some people years ago did warn others...but appearing nice was more important.
This isn't the worst, which is to come -- and culture determines politics and society.

Quick...as a Supreme ruling ever been overturned? And if so, how was it brought about? And...how long did the law stand until it became so obvious that the law was causing problems (and how bad did the problem get before the law was scrapped?)?
Add at least twice as long and twice as bad to this one before people have had enough and it is changed (that's going to be a lot of little kids learning to twerk for their supper).

That's what you're up against.

Posted by: unknown j. at June 26, 2015 04:41 PM (0EjYp)

720 The Democrat party is AGAINST RELIGIOUS LIBERTY. And why not? their base hates religion, and they lost the religious vote already. I'd bet the average Bernie Sanders voter is for revoking church tax exempt status.

meanwhile, SCOTUS majority wrote this guff:

"The nature of marriage is that, through its enduring bond, two persons
together can find other freedoms, such as expression, intimacy, and
spirituality."

WTF ... they talk like people who have never been married!!!
When you find out your life partners' worst habits actually annoy you to no end, it may drive you to spirituality ... or to spirits. or both.

Jeez lousie. No dont get me wrong. I've had 18 years of marital bliss under my belt, and love the wife dearly, and given we're coming on our 25th anniversary soon, I'd say that's a pretty good ratio.

So a 'win' for bogus spirituality but a loss for real religious freedom.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at June 26, 2015 05:39 PM (FLBHk)

721 714 So, under and over on Legal Polygamy?



2 years on the outside. Pedophilia, 5 years

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 26, 2015 03:44 PM (39g3+)Co worker bought up an interesting point. He wanted to hear what romney has to say about this because his family was forced to go to Mexico owing to the polygamy in his religion. Valid point.Sad though, if this law ends up impacting children in ways one could never conceive. Makes that comment about children belonging to everyone from the MSNBC hostess even more foreboding and ominous that one might have ever imagined.


Posted by: clarabelle at June 26, 2015 05:40 PM (jVUDI)

722 Cthulhu,
I am 99% sure severe same age.

I know what that broken hips are often the beginning of of the end of elderly people &"watched not my Mother, who was in nursing home for that Fing Alzheimer's disease deteriotate,in weeks because she fell at nursing home because she Had very high fever & I went to.hospital with her & nursing home dr wrote she had fallen on one hip &"complained of hip pain & I stayed at hospital until they admitted herngor a urinary tract infection & I was not allowed in XRay room && thought it would Be standard to XRay hips on 79 year old woman!!
My Mother has broken left hip for 3 1/2 weeks.

Hospital did X-Ray on something else,I have all my motes upstairs with 10 or 11year old Dell desktop.

I used to call her everyday, but w/in a few days of not being
able to walk, she would you to try to talk to remote control & I had a tantrum at Nurse Manager & insisted they do X ray of that hip!it had been broken since April 25. After weeks of asking & finally bullying my mother had hip replacement surgery buy some time in those 3 1/2 weeks developed foot sore & could have lost her leg, but foot wound doctor was a genius & saved her foot but
She couldn't walk on it for a year, by then it was too late to try to teach her to walk !!!!!!

Posted by: Carol at June 27, 2015 01:43 AM (sj3Ax)

723 I didn't used to be anti-gay, as a good Catholic, I'm interested & involved with all persons, regardless of their sins. How-some-ever, the recent avalanche of pro-gay stuff, including the video above, have just about used up all my Charity and I notice I'm beginning to lose my patience with the homosexual point of view.

Posted by: Susan Lee at June 27, 2015 09:26 AM (2PJga)

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