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Weekend Thread: Stereotypes, First Impressions, and Lasting Impressions [Y-not]
I did some traveling last week to two states that I'd never visited before, Tennessee and Kentucky. (Most of my time was spent in Kentucky.) It was interesting to spend a couple of days in a "new" (to me) part of the country, particularly during the Confederate battle flag brouhaha. It got me thinking about the impressions we form of different parts of this country and how those impressions are formed.
In my own loosely thought out way, I categorize the qualities we ascribe to different regions of the country into three groups: stereotypes, first impressions, and lasting impressions. I think of stereotypes as strong impressions (occasionally negative, but not always) that are often formed on limited (and sometimes indirect) evidence. They're the things everyone "knows" but far fewer know from direct, protracted experience. For example, we all KNOW that Philadelphians are rude. Why? Because they attacked Santa! We also all KNOW that Californians are free spirits. Why? Because of Haight-Ashbury! (I hope those two examples illustrate my point: stereotypes CAN be true, but very often are not true.) About a year ago, an interesting study was published about stereotypes and how they are formed:...our minds are hard-wired to categorize information and create mental shortcuts (attribute A is associated with behavior B). This helps us retain knowledge using minimal mental effort, and provides a needed sense of structure to an otherwise chaotic universe. We take complex webs of information and, in the process of sharing what we've learned, create "a progressively simplified, highly structured, and easily learnable system" of stereotypes. In doing so, however, nuances and complications tend to be discarded. Often, the researchers write, stereotypes begin with a "kernel of truth" that subsequently gets inflated into a widely held truism regarding a group of people. But other times, they can spring up seemingly from nowhere.Follow the link above to read more about the study. Earlier this year, Voice of America published a piece on the stereotypes Americans apply to their fellow Americans. The results are based on a YouGov poll and are illustrated graphically below:
FIRST IMPRESSION: "The locals here sure seemed to be put off by how friendly I am. Why do they all think I'm from the Midwest?"
LASTING IMPRESSION: "People in Boston sure are unfriendly!" *shrugs* Last week as I was visiting Kentucky for the first time, I had only a very loosely formed idea of what to expect. I knew it would be greener than Utah and I assumed it would be more diverse, but somehow "Southern." (I don't really have a lot of experience with what I'd consider the True South, having only lived in Houston and Maryland. The latter is, believe it or not, considered to be The South by my Yankee mother-in-law!) I formed a few first impressions about the state, all good. The biggest one was that it did not feel like the True South to me -- it really felt like a blend of the Midwest and the South. This makes sense in retrospect when you look at a map of Kentucky and learn a little about its history. The people I met during my time were polite, but not really "laid back" in the way that I tend to associate with the South. That said, I certainly was ma'am'd a lot! I guess I may still be in search of the The South. Maybe the vaguely formed idea I have of it doesn't exist. And maybe the unfriendly Boston that I experienced in the early 90s no longer exists, too. Over the years I've learned to find good in every place I've lived (even California!) and to try to not rely on stereotypes too much as I travel throughout the U.S. This brings me to one last map -- a travel route that takes you through all 48 contiguous states (plus D.C.), optimized to hit important landmarks in each place:
Open thread for travel and general chit-chat.
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Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 28, 2015 10:58 AM (oVJmc)
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Told the wife I was actually looking at emigrating to a little island miles north of New Zealand because "I'm about sick of this fucking country" and she actually seemed enthusiastic.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 28, 2015 10:59 AM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Lawrence Garfield at June 28, 2015 10:59 AM (+dG+X)
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1800 miles north, that is.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 28, 2015 11:00 AM (oVJmc)
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Get off the freeway and away from the airport.
Get out of the cities.
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The first is certainly true, but I think the second is only partly true. Upper NY state is very different from NYC. Which one exemplifies New York?
Get out of the cities.
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The first is certainly true, but I think the second is only partly true. Upper NY state is very different from NYC. Which one exemplifies New York?
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:01 AM (RWGcK)
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I like the maps. I love maps.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:03 AM (pCePB)
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Texas makes zero sense.
Sensitive? The hell?
That's like saying New Yorkers are known for their kind, generous ways.
Sensitive? The hell?
That's like saying New Yorkers are known for their kind, generous ways.
Posted by: Nigel Farage at June 28, 2015 11:03 AM (MYCIw)
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The Where's Waldo algorithm keeps you from seeing some beautiful parts of Arizona and Colorado. Yes, the Grand Canyon is a must-see, but so are Sedona, the Sonoran desert. I would hate for people to miss Southwestern Colorado. And did this guy bypass the Smoky Mountains of Tennessee? Not sure about his edumacated algorithm....
Posted by: Red Enchilada at June 28, 2015 11:04 AM (+i7ay)
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Why on earth did I think it was a good idea to mix hard cider and vodka?
The lyrics to "Bloody Mary Morning" by Willie Nelson are pounding my skull.
The lyrics to "Bloody Mary Morning" by Willie Nelson are pounding my skull.
Posted by: fairweatherbill all likkerd up at June 28, 2015 11:04 AM (1eYr7)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:05 AM (pCePB)
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I'm originally from Buffalo, which is essentially the Midwest. People are friendly as hell.
Moved to New England. Yeesh. Yankees are a flinty bunch.
And Boston? Fucking assholes. Pure, unadulterated assholes.
As Peter Griifin said, "How can a city with so many colleges produce so many dopes?"
Moved to New England. Yeesh. Yankees are a flinty bunch.
And Boston? Fucking assholes. Pure, unadulterated assholes.
As Peter Griifin said, "How can a city with so many colleges produce so many dopes?"
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 28, 2015 11:05 AM (/pB9Z)
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We also all KNOW that Californians are free spirits. Why? Because of Haight-Ashbury!
When I first went out to CA I went over to that area to see what all the hippy fuss was about. No hippies at all. Just a bunch of winos and bums and the whole area smelled of stale urine.
When I first went out to CA I went over to that area to see what all the hippy fuss was about. No hippies at all. Just a bunch of winos and bums and the whole area smelled of stale urine.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 11:05 AM (GpgJl)
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Texas makes zero sense.
Sensitive? The hell?
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I spent 7 years in Houston back in the 90s. (Love it.) I lived in the city, near the med center. I found the people to be very polite (especially the men). I guess you could call that "sensitive."
Case in point, when asking a shopkeeper if they had something in stock, if the answer was NO he or she would invariably reply "Sure don't." I think they didn't want to disappoint me with a straight "No" answer. LOL
Sensitive? The hell?
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I spent 7 years in Houston back in the 90s. (Love it.) I lived in the city, near the med center. I found the people to be very polite (especially the men). I guess you could call that "sensitive."
Case in point, when asking a shopkeeper if they had something in stock, if the answer was NO he or she would invariably reply "Sure don't." I think they didn't want to disappoint me with a straight "No" answer. LOL
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:06 AM (RWGcK)
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The Brits seem to have nailed Texas.
Posted by: Cruzinator at June 28, 2015 11:07 AM (Q4pU/)
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About a year ago, an interesting study was published about stereotypes and how they are formed
I have my own theory, it's called the MFM and whoreywood.
I have my own theory, it's called the MFM and whoreywood.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 11:07 AM (GpgJl)
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Off day old sock.
And worrying? What does that mean? That the south worries people?
BOO!
As for the brits, guys I hate to break it to you but hardly anyone in Texas wears a 10 gallon hat. I mean, you see it, but not nearly as frequently as you see a guy weawring a Rangers cap.
And worrying? What does that mean? That the south worries people?
BOO!
As for the brits, guys I hate to break it to you but hardly anyone in Texas wears a 10 gallon hat. I mean, you see it, but not nearly as frequently as you see a guy weawring a Rangers cap.
Posted by: lauren at June 28, 2015 11:07 AM (MYCIw)
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When I first went out to CA I went over to that area to see what all the hippy fuss was about. No hippies at all. Just a bunch of winos and bums and the whole area smelled of stale urine.
Heh. I've got news for you, Vic. It smelled that way in the 60s, too.
Heh. I've got news for you, Vic. It smelled that way in the 60s, too.
Posted by: OregonMuse at June 28, 2015 11:07 AM (AWijS)
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having lived in the south End in Boston in the 80's, I disagree about Bostonians being unfriendly. It really felt like a "village" - that description coming from my neighbor from NJ. Working in Andover really felt like, aside from Phillips Academy, being in a small town in the South - without, of course, the drawl...they thought I was from Maine [I'm from Georgia!]
Posted by: geezer der mensch at June 28, 2015 11:07 AM (DE31Y)
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" Why on earth did I think it was a good idea to mix hard cider and vodka?"
We all live and learn. Leave the cider out next time.
We all live and learn. Leave the cider out next time.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:07 AM (pCePB)
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" Just a bunch of winos and bums and the whole area smelled of stale urine."
LOL! That was my impression of Austin after staying there for a long weekend one summer.
LOL! That was my impression of Austin after staying there for a long weekend one summer.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:07 AM (RWGcK)
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The Where's Waldo algorithm hits Kansas but somehow misses the World's Largest Ball of Twine.
Enough said.
Enough said.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 28, 2015 11:08 AM (oZr5y)
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In the PNW, the eastern parts of WA and OR are a lot different from the western side. Different climates, different attitudes. Unfortunately, not enough people to out vote the lefties in the cities.
And I enjoy talking to my cousin back in Oklahoma. He's a wanna be liberal. I keep having to point out the error of his ways.
And I enjoy talking to my cousin back in Oklahoma. He's a wanna be liberal. I keep having to point out the error of his ways.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 28, 2015 11:08 AM (Lqy/e)
Posted by: Cruzinator at June 28, 2015 11:09 AM (Q4pU/)
Posted by: eman at June 28, 2015 11:10 AM (MQEz6)
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Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:01 AM (RWGcK)
New York is a tough one.
The city is a mess of progressive politics, segregated neighborhoods, travel paths defined by our government overlords, and some spectacular holdovers from its heyday.
The rest of the state isn't as homogeneous as one might think. The first 75 miles or so North of the city is liberal suburbs, which gradually fade away into economically depressed small cities and towns, with liberal bastions in Albany and the college towns. But Western NY is different than Northern NY, and the Southern Tier (along Pennsylvania) is a bit different too.
New York is a tough one.
The city is a mess of progressive politics, segregated neighborhoods, travel paths defined by our government overlords, and some spectacular holdovers from its heyday.
The rest of the state isn't as homogeneous as one might think. The first 75 miles or so North of the city is liberal suburbs, which gradually fade away into economically depressed small cities and towns, with liberal bastions in Albany and the college towns. But Western NY is different than Northern NY, and the Southern Tier (along Pennsylvania) is a bit different too.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 28, 2015 11:10 AM (Zu3d9)
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"Sensitive? The hell? "
Hey, I'm sensitive. I care. I'm sensitive about my guns and I care about how my tractor runs.
There.
Hey, I'm sensitive. I care. I'm sensitive about my guns and I care about how my tractor runs.
There.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:10 AM (pCePB)
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Having lived in Kentucky for 15 years now, it is actually a curious blend of the north and south, rural areas tend to be more southern leaning and the bigger cities tend to be more like Indiana or Ohio.
and Y-not, you will have to visit SC, GA, AL, LA,and MS to get the regional flavors of the south. God Bless em all!
and Y-not, you will have to visit SC, GA, AL, LA,and MS to get the regional flavors of the south. God Bless em all!
Posted by: FCF at June 28, 2015 11:10 AM (kejii)
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I too have lived all over the country. The only area I did not like was the Puget Sound area of WA State. I hated the weather and did not care a lot for the people either.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 11:11 AM (GpgJl)
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although, now living in Alabama, the Ala/Auburn thing does rule here - pick a side, you WILL be asked!
Posted by: geezer der mensch at June 28, 2015 11:11 AM (DE31Y)
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Missouri: The "No-Idea" State
Posted by: Brother Cavil, by the Pale Moon light at June 28, 2015 11:11 AM (m9V0o)
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Leave the United States and come to Belize! Your smart friends are already here!
Posted by: BELIZE at June 28, 2015 11:11 AM (gwG9s)
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I enjoy how British the British Buzzfeeders sound. Alaska is "so terribly cold", right next to "Basically Canada" it's "cold, so very cold".
Posted by: Jenny Enjoys Stereotypes at June 28, 2015 11:12 AM (pspWL)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:12 AM (RWGcK)
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When I first went out to CA I went over to that area to see what all the hippy fuss was about. No hippies at all. Just a bunch of winos and bums and the whole area smelled of stale urine.
Seriously, it was pretty bad in the 60s. In 1965-66, the hippies were, well, hippies. But then the Haight got picked up by the radar of the national media, and thousands started heading out there, including the exploiters and grifters, and the soup kitchens and free clinics were overwhelmed. By 1967, the so-called 'Summer of Love' (which, by the way, was one of the rainiest summers in SF history), it was pretty much downhill, hard core heroin dealing, pimps, child prostitutes, very, very ugly.
Seriously, it was pretty bad in the 60s. In 1965-66, the hippies were, well, hippies. But then the Haight got picked up by the radar of the national media, and thousands started heading out there, including the exploiters and grifters, and the soup kitchens and free clinics were overwhelmed. By 1967, the so-called 'Summer of Love' (which, by the way, was one of the rainiest summers in SF history), it was pretty much downhill, hard core heroin dealing, pimps, child prostitutes, very, very ugly.
Posted by: OregonMuse at June 28, 2015 11:12 AM (AWijS)
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"LOL! That was my impression of Austin after staying there for a long weekend one summer"
Haha. We were down in Austin the other day for a false baby alarm (officially in week 2 of prodromal labor and ready to kill someone). Anyway, we stopped for gas and were immediately accosted by hobos.
It's only been 6 months since we moved, and I'd already forgotten how crazy it is living in a place where bums roam the streets at all hours.
Progress!
Haha. We were down in Austin the other day for a false baby alarm (officially in week 2 of prodromal labor and ready to kill someone). Anyway, we stopped for gas and were immediately accosted by hobos.
It's only been 6 months since we moved, and I'd already forgotten how crazy it is living in a place where bums roam the streets at all hours.
Progress!
Posted by: lauren at June 28, 2015 11:13 AM (MYCIw)
Posted by: eman at June 28, 2015 11:13 AM (MQEz6)
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Hey, how'bout them Dawgs!
Them Dawgs!!!
How'bout them Dawgs!!!!
OOoooooooEEEE! How'bout them Dawgs!!!!
Them Dawgs!!! They're sum thin' ain't they.
How. Bout. Them. Dawgs. !!!.
Them Dawgs!!!!!
Them Dawgs!!!
How'bout them Dawgs!!!!
OOoooooooEEEE! How'bout them Dawgs!!!!
Them Dawgs!!! They're sum thin' ain't they.
How. Bout. Them. Dawgs. !!!.
Them Dawgs!!!!!
Posted by: naturalfake got real tired of hearing about "Them Dawgs" when he lived in Northern Florida at June 28, 2015 11:13 AM (KUa85)
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What is the true South? In today's environment I would say the belt from South Carolina to Mississippi. Texas is more western. VA has been taken over by DC, NC has been taken over my yankees moving to the tech belt.
And FL never has been really part of the South.
And FL never has been really part of the South.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 11:13 AM (GpgJl)
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"although, now living in Alabama, the Ala/Auburn thing does rule here - pick a side, you WILL be asked!"
There are some pretty places in 'bama.
There are some pretty places in 'bama.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:14 AM (pCePB)
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Posted by: eman at June 28, 2015 11:10 AM (MQEz6)
I agree. My anecdote is my experience in the gym in NYC and Houston. One I never had to ask for a spot and the other no one ever offered.
I agree. My anecdote is my experience in the gym in NYC and Houston. One I never had to ask for a spot and the other no one ever offered.
Posted by: Cruzinator at June 28, 2015 11:14 AM (Q4pU/)
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Just a bunch of winos and bums and the whole area smelled of stale urine.
Hey, the hippies have aged.
Hey, the hippies have aged.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 28, 2015 11:15 AM (oVJmc)
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Posted by: OregonMuse at June 28, 2015 11:07 AM (AWijS)
And the 80s and the 90s and......
I worked as a carpenter briefly, and we did a Victorian renovation just off The Haight. I brought lunch every day, because I hated walking just the few blocks through the bums and the piss and the drug dealers.
And the 80s and the 90s and......
I worked as a carpenter briefly, and we did a Victorian renovation just off The Haight. I brought lunch every day, because I hated walking just the few blocks through the bums and the piss and the drug dealers.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 28, 2015 11:15 AM (Zu3d9)
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>>Posted by: lauren at June 28, 2015 11:13 AM
I assume Austin is very different when UT is in session, but in the summer it was a bit of a disappointment. We'd only been in TX for a short while at the time that we'd visited and were missing the smaller town feel of New England. People had told us that Austin was "just like Boston" (the good aspects of Boston), but it wasn't.
Funniest example of that was when we moved from Vermont to Chicago. Again, missing our old "home," especially the mountains. So the locals told us to go up to Wisconsin.
Wisconsin is NOT like Vermont. LOL
I assume Austin is very different when UT is in session, but in the summer it was a bit of a disappointment. We'd only been in TX for a short while at the time that we'd visited and were missing the smaller town feel of New England. People had told us that Austin was "just like Boston" (the good aspects of Boston), but it wasn't.
Funniest example of that was when we moved from Vermont to Chicago. Again, missing our old "home," especially the mountains. So the locals told us to go up to Wisconsin.
Wisconsin is NOT like Vermont. LOL
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:15 AM (RWGcK)
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"
Don't tell that to Cavenders. "
Ha. Now if they had said boots they'd have a point. I don't know many Texans who don't own a pair or five.
Don't tell that to Cavenders. "
Ha. Now if they had said boots they'd have a point. I don't know many Texans who don't own a pair or five.
Posted by: lauren at June 28, 2015 11:15 AM (MYCIw)
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" Texas is more western."
East Texas could be the Old South. Hit Ft Worth and west and it's the Southwest.
East Texas could be the Old South. Hit Ft Worth and west and it's the Southwest.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:16 AM (pCePB)
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5 The first is certainly true, but I think the second
is only partly true. Upper NY state is very different from NYC. Which
one exemplifies New York?
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:01 AM (RWGcK)
I used to live in Saratoga Springs. At that time it WAS conservative. The people were mostly farmers and horse people and they hated NYC. I have been told that it has gone liberal now and is not the same.
is only partly true. Upper NY state is very different from NYC. Which
one exemplifies New York?
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:01 AM (RWGcK)
I used to live in Saratoga Springs. At that time it WAS conservative. The people were mostly farmers and horse people and they hated NYC. I have been told that it has gone liberal now and is not the same.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 11:16 AM (GpgJl)
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The real south. There is a swimming hole near Thomasville AL. Stick around for a Saturday night catfish fry.
Posted by: knaws at June 28, 2015 11:17 AM (gpSMx)
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Bostonians can be really full of themselves, especially to other Massholes from outside Boston.
It helps to show them pictures of Boston side-by-side pictures of NYC.
There is always a bigger dragon, bitch.
It helps to show them pictures of Boston side-by-side pictures of NYC.
There is always a bigger dragon, bitch.
Posted by: eman at June 28, 2015 11:17 AM (MQEz6)
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Greetings, pixel people.
Hmm, where to go to find the real South? Well, my experience is with Alabama and Florida, so I probably won't be much help. I've found good and bad at both locations.
However, I can say that there's more South back home in Alabama overall than down here, although there's a lot of old Florida (such as it is) here too, if you know where to look.
The South of my yoot was pretty violent, ask any kid who ever had to pick his own switch to get whipped with. Even though I wasn't much of a hell-raiser, I got whipped and paddled a lot growing up. Hell, we'd even get paddled on our birthdays just to stay in practice. Closed minded, not particularly worldly, (not that that's a bad thing), but not very bright, either. Not very well read unless you count the Bible (with the spoken emphasis on the italicised words of the KJB, right where God intended them).
Overall though, the memories of growing up in Alabama are very fond. Lots of good-hearted, caring people who'll pick you up when you're down, great places to hunt and fish, the prettiest women with the sexiest accents, and the best food in the world. I'd do it again, given the choice.
Hmm, where to go to find the real South? Well, my experience is with Alabama and Florida, so I probably won't be much help. I've found good and bad at both locations.
However, I can say that there's more South back home in Alabama overall than down here, although there's a lot of old Florida (such as it is) here too, if you know where to look.
The South of my yoot was pretty violent, ask any kid who ever had to pick his own switch to get whipped with. Even though I wasn't much of a hell-raiser, I got whipped and paddled a lot growing up. Hell, we'd even get paddled on our birthdays just to stay in practice. Closed minded, not particularly worldly, (not that that's a bad thing), but not very bright, either. Not very well read unless you count the Bible (with the spoken emphasis on the italicised words of the KJB, right where God intended them).
Overall though, the memories of growing up in Alabama are very fond. Lots of good-hearted, caring people who'll pick you up when you're down, great places to hunt and fish, the prettiest women with the sexiest accents, and the best food in the world. I'd do it again, given the choice.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 28, 2015 11:17 AM (eEb+d)
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I grew up in the South and have been to about 45 states. Been to Boston 7 or 8 times, and the racial vibe there has always been the worst in the country that I can remember.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 28, 2015 11:17 AM (TF10X)
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I used to live in Saratoga Springs. At that time it WAS conservative. The people were mostly farmers and horse people and they hated NYC.
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A lot of the kids that went to my college were from there. Yeah, very dissimilar from NYC.
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A lot of the kids that went to my college were from there. Yeah, very dissimilar from NYC.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:17 AM (RWGcK)
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Re: Boston
I've never been but my husband has been to most of the country and swears that Boston is the most racist city he's ever set foot in
I've never been but my husband has been to most of the country and swears that Boston is the most racist city he's ever set foot in
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at June 28, 2015 11:18 AM (pspWL)
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"I have found New Yorkers to be much nicer than the stereotype"
I think the stereotype's overplayed. People are blunter. If you are from a rural area, you'll notice a difference. But I haven't seen a difference in assholery between New York and other large cities I've been in.
By large Northeastern city standards, the people in New York are actually nice.
I think the stereotype's overplayed. People are blunter. If you are from a rural area, you'll notice a difference. But I haven't seen a difference in assholery between New York and other large cities I've been in.
By large Northeastern city standards, the people in New York are actually nice.
Posted by: AD at June 28, 2015 11:18 AM (yBmlR)
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I'm from Missouri, the most schitzo state in the Union: the guy who broke the nation up into new demographic zones, (Browning? Coined new South, sun-belt, rust-belt etc.) , had 8 out of 9 zones converging in MO.
St. Louis is the westernmost eastern city, northernmost southern city. KC is the easternmost western city. We're not sure who we are. But we sure are nice!
St. Louis is the westernmost eastern city, northernmost southern city. KC is the easternmost western city. We're not sure who we are. But we sure are nice!
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 28, 2015 11:18 AM (NNJxu)
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Watching corporate America jump in with both feet on hot button political issues makes one think they might be the part of the machine that needs more political attention
The Fox news Empress' interview with that 40 something insipid, feckless, ball-less, richer than God Walmart CEO made me think, that's the problem. That's the opportunity to slow this thing down. The right should stand for Corporate CEO salary controls and wealth controls in general. Hit them where they hurt. Screw the politicians, they are bred to backstab. Focus the political ire on corporate CEO's if you want to make the left pay attention.
The Fox news Empress' interview with that 40 something insipid, feckless, ball-less, richer than God Walmart CEO made me think, that's the problem. That's the opportunity to slow this thing down. The right should stand for Corporate CEO salary controls and wealth controls in general. Hit them where they hurt. Screw the politicians, they are bred to backstab. Focus the political ire on corporate CEO's if you want to make the left pay attention.
Posted by: fairmedia at June 28, 2015 11:18 AM (lPdaT)
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Columbus, Ohio is a great city! Friendly folks ready to discuss the weather or them Buckeyes.
Posted by: Cowtown,USA at June 28, 2015 11:18 AM (gwG9s)
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Just FYI ...Austin was over by 1981...
Posted by: Mr Wizard at June 28, 2015 11:18 AM (hCdMd)
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11 Moved to New England. Yeesh. Yankees are a flinty bunch.
And Boston? Fucking assholes. Pure, unadulterated assholes.
As Peter Griifin said, "How can a city with so many colleges produce so many dopes?"
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 28, 2015 11:05 AM (/pB9Z)
When I lived in upstate NY me and a friend made a trip through the NE States to see what it was like. I got the impression that you were considered shit unless you had at least 5 generations of ancestors born and raised there. And don't even mention my Southern accent.
And Boston? Fucking assholes. Pure, unadulterated assholes.
As Peter Griifin said, "How can a city with so many colleges produce so many dopes?"
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 28, 2015 11:05 AM (/pB9Z)
When I lived in upstate NY me and a friend made a trip through the NE States to see what it was like. I got the impression that you were considered shit unless you had at least 5 generations of ancestors born and raised there. And don't even mention my Southern accent.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 11:18 AM (GpgJl)
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Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 11:16 AM (GpgJl)
City people buying summer homes and discovering that it is nicer than the city, so they move there. And make it more like the city.
It's an old story...and a sad one.
City people buying summer homes and discovering that it is nicer than the city, so they move there. And make it more like the city.
It's an old story...and a sad one.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 28, 2015 11:20 AM (Zu3d9)
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Bostonians can be really full of themselves, especially to other Massholes from outside Boston.
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Oh, yeah.
We moved from Chicago to Boston. Bostonians seemed to have an inferiority complex (relative to NYC) that they tried to compensate for by acting Important and Busy and Rude. It was pretty funny.
That said, there are some lovely parts of Boston and the small towns of New England are so fun to visit.
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Oh, yeah.
We moved from Chicago to Boston. Bostonians seemed to have an inferiority complex (relative to NYC) that they tried to compensate for by acting Important and Busy and Rude. It was pretty funny.
That said, there are some lovely parts of Boston and the small towns of New England are so fun to visit.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:20 AM (RWGcK)
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Judging only from Portlandia, I'd say Austin is like Portland.
There are a lot of good restaurants, and there's a good nightlife/outdoor scene.
However, if you're over the age of 30 it quickly feels like a child's playground. Of course, the hipsters bitch about actual children so much you just want to kick them in their stupid flowered beards.
Case in point: There's a burger place called Phil's Icehouse. It's good. They make good burgers, and they're teamed up with Amy's Icecream so you get icecream too. They have a play area outside.
Obviously, the place attracts boatloads of families with children. The hipsters are mortified. " This can not stand! There are children in Austin! BURN THEM. ALSO, MOMMY, REFILL MY BEVO CARD! "
There are a lot of good restaurants, and there's a good nightlife/outdoor scene.
However, if you're over the age of 30 it quickly feels like a child's playground. Of course, the hipsters bitch about actual children so much you just want to kick them in their stupid flowered beards.
Case in point: There's a burger place called Phil's Icehouse. It's good. They make good burgers, and they're teamed up with Amy's Icecream so you get icecream too. They have a play area outside.
Obviously, the place attracts boatloads of families with children. The hipsters are mortified. " This can not stand! There are children in Austin! BURN THEM. ALSO, MOMMY, REFILL MY BEVO CARD! "
Posted by: lauren at June 28, 2015 11:21 AM (MYCIw)
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17 Heh. I've got news for you, Vic. It smelled that way in the 60s, too.
Posted by: OregonMuse at June 28, 2015 11:07 AM (AWijS)
I would not be surprised at all. The whole hippy thing looks like it MFM hype.
Posted by: OregonMuse at June 28, 2015 11:07 AM (AWijS)
I would not be surprised at all. The whole hippy thing looks like it MFM hype.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 11:21 AM (GpgJl)
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I should add, that Bostonian Complex seemed quite silly coming from Chicago (aka "Second City"). When we lived in Chicago it was an extremely friendly, very open, unpretentious town. Loved it.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:21 AM (RWGcK)
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Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 11:18 AM (GpgJl)
I definitely was discriminated against on my job interviews because of my accent. Did my best to ignore that and soldier on.
I definitely was discriminated against on my job interviews because of my accent. Did my best to ignore that and soldier on.
Posted by: Cruzinator at June 28, 2015 11:21 AM (Q4pU/)
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re: Boston and race - yeah, always struck me that there was [don't know about now] a LOT of racism there - South Boston in particular. Was told the Irish didn't like "others" very much. Dorchester was a little rough at the time - the IRA had just bombed the Harp and Bard [local pub/bar].
Posted by: geezer der mensch at June 28, 2015 11:22 AM (DE31Y)
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We apologize for Austin. It's not what he are.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:24 AM (pCePB)
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I admit that Cape Cod fills all the stereotypes I had in my head. Good stereotypes. I feel the history of the Country, smell the old money and whatever feelings the sea is supposed to give you.
Posted by: Cruzinator at June 28, 2015 11:25 AM (Q4pU/)
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45 East Texas could be the Old South. Hit Ft Worth and west and it's the Southwest.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:16 AM (pCePB)
I agree, but I was trying to not get too complicated into sectionalizing the States.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:16 AM (pCePB)
I agree, but I was trying to not get too complicated into sectionalizing the States.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 11:26 AM (GpgJl)
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As far as Texans being "sensitive", I can see that.
"Them's fightin' words" is just another way of saying "you hurt my feelings". It's a way that comes with entertainment, though, so it's better.
"Them's fightin' words" is just another way of saying "you hurt my feelings". It's a way that comes with entertainment, though, so it's better.
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at June 28, 2015 11:26 AM (pspWL)
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As someone who has lived in Baltimore his whole life, I can tell you that Maryland's tweener status is true. Baltimore really is the northernmost Southern city or the southernmost Northern city. Outside of the Baltimore/DC corridor, however, Maryland is definitely a southern state.
Posted by: Weirddave at June 28, 2015 11:26 AM (WvS3w)
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East Texas could be the Old South. Hit Ft Worth and west and it's the Southwest.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:16 AM (pCePB)
True, and East Texas starts around Lufkin and goes to Texarkana.Beaumont is not East Texas. Indiana is more like East Texas.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:16 AM (pCePB)
True, and East Texas starts around Lufkin and goes to Texarkana.Beaumont is not East Texas. Indiana is more like East Texas.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition greatest thing since before sliced bread at June 28, 2015 11:26 AM (R8hU8)
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Judging only from Portlandia, I'd say Austin is like Portland.
North Portland, perhaps. A better Oregon city for comparison is Eugene, another wackadoo-left college town. The look and feel and cultural atmosphere of the two cities are almost identical.
North Portland, perhaps. A better Oregon city for comparison is Eugene, another wackadoo-left college town. The look and feel and cultural atmosphere of the two cities are almost identical.
Posted by: OregonMuse at June 28, 2015 11:27 AM (AWijS)
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My favorite MA city is Worcester.
It does not insist on itself.
Springfield thinks it is the Boston of Western MA.
If you visit Massachusetts, start at the NY border and make your way across the Commonwealth on Route 20.
Catch the people and accents along the way.
September-October is best.
It does not insist on itself.
Springfield thinks it is the Boston of Western MA.
If you visit Massachusetts, start at the NY border and make your way across the Commonwealth on Route 20.
Catch the people and accents along the way.
September-October is best.
Posted by: eman at June 28, 2015 11:27 AM (MQEz6)
Posted by: OregonMuse at June 28, 2015 11:28 AM (AWijS)
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I'm at Monocacy Battlefield right now. Excellent display at the visitor's center. Both Union and Confederate flags for sale in the gift shop. Also books on "Hispanics in the Civil War" and "Asia-Pacific Islanders in the Civil War". Nothing about the paisanos, of course *huffs angrily*
Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 28, 2015 11:28 AM (sAXJ5)
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Outside of the Baltimore/DC corridor, however, Maryland is definitely a southern state.
Posted by: Weirddave at June 28, 2015 11:26 AM
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Except Western Maryland is kind of its own thing, I think. The Kentuckians I met seemed to relate to Western Maryland in the way they relate to West Virginia. Really more "Appalachia" than The South.
Posted by: Weirddave at June 28, 2015 11:26 AM
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Except Western Maryland is kind of its own thing, I think. The Kentuckians I met seemed to relate to Western Maryland in the way they relate to West Virginia. Really more "Appalachia" than The South.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:29 AM (RWGcK)
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Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 11:18 AM (GpgJl)
Ah....Boston.....
"Where the Lowells talk only to Cabots, and the Cabots talk only to God."
Ah....Boston.....
"Where the Lowells talk only to Cabots, and the Cabots talk only to God."
Posted by: Boston Brahmin at June 28, 2015 11:29 AM (Zu3d9)
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59 It's an old story...and a sad one.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 28, 2015 11:20 AM (Zu3d9)
They are doing that here and in NC now.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 28, 2015 11:20 AM (Zu3d9)
They are doing that here and in NC now.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 11:30 AM (GpgJl)
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Austin became Californified in the eighties an has degraded ever since...
Posted by: Mr Wizard at June 28, 2015 11:30 AM (hCdMd)
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BTW, Weirddave, isn't it "Bawlmore"? LOL
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:30 AM (RWGcK)
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Question: Does this mean the French aren't surrender monkeys?
Affirmative action on books, no more books written by humans, only smarter animals. Free write under water pens and waterproof paper for dolphins.
Affirmative action in war. Women can be just as terrible in war as men. Pair them up and no excuse from combat just because you are 'showing'. And no I'm not denouncing myself.
Affirmative action in farming. Ok we did that
Affirmative action free speech. Only women and blacks can speak freely. In the war of ideas we don't need nasty ass ugly white men's.
Affirmative action in religion. Secularism trumps 4 thousand years of religion.
Affirmative action on subconscious thought. Active recite the justice Kennedy decision
But we are actively better than that amirite?
Affirmative action on books, no more books written by humans, only smarter animals. Free write under water pens and waterproof paper for dolphins.
Affirmative action in war. Women can be just as terrible in war as men. Pair them up and no excuse from combat just because you are 'showing'. And no I'm not denouncing myself.
Affirmative action in farming. Ok we did that
Affirmative action free speech. Only women and blacks can speak freely. In the war of ideas we don't need nasty ass ugly white men's.
Affirmative action in religion. Secularism trumps 4 thousand years of religion.
Affirmative action on subconscious thought. Active recite the justice Kennedy decision
But we are actively better than that amirite?
Posted by: just saying at June 28, 2015 11:30 AM (wkuqO)
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As always the real split is between Urban and Rural.
Posted by: Cruzinator at June 28, 2015 11:31 AM (Q4pU/)
Posted by: Kindltot at June 28, 2015 11:32 AM (3pRHP)
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>>Posted by: just saying at June 28, 2015 11:30 AM (wkuqO)
Could you save that for another thread, please? I'd like to keep this a little on topic. I think we all need a break. (Well, I do, anyway.)
Thanks.
Could you save that for another thread, please? I'd like to keep this a little on topic. I think we all need a break. (Well, I do, anyway.)
Thanks.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:32 AM (RWGcK)
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Annapolis is a pretty - and I think overlooked - city. Hard as hell to move around it, though.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:32 AM (RWGcK)
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If the biggest liberal fruitbaskets get shrugged off with 'eh, college town,' there's something wrong with colleges.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 28, 2015 11:33 AM (oVJmc)
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But we are actively better than that amirite?
We haven't gotten around to the false, negative stereotypes yet.
Be patient.
We haven't gotten around to the false, negative stereotypes yet.
Be patient.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 28, 2015 11:33 AM (eEb+d)
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As someone who has lived in Baltimore his whole life, I can tell you
that Maryland's tweener status is true. Baltimore really is the
northernmost Southern city or the southernmost Northern city. Outside of
the Baltimore/DC corridor, however, Maryland is definitely a southern
state.
Posted by: Weirddave at June 28, 2015 11:26 AM (WvS3w)
I lived in Port Deposit, MD in 1971. That's about 35 miles or so from Baltimore. That was a little redneck hick town and I saw my first and only KKK march there.
As someone who has lived in Baltimore his whole life, I can tell you
that Maryland's tweener status is true. Baltimore really is the
northernmost Southern city or the southernmost Northern city. Outside of
the Baltimore/DC corridor, however, Maryland is definitely a southern
state.
Posted by: Weirddave at June 28, 2015 11:26 AM (WvS3w)
I lived in Port Deposit, MD in 1971. That's about 35 miles or so from Baltimore. That was a little redneck hick town and I saw my first and only KKK march there.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 11:33 AM (GpgJl)
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"Sensitive? The hell? "
The trigger,on my Ruger is very sensitive.
The South: Memphis, Shreveport.
The trigger,on my Ruger is very sensitive.
The South: Memphis, Shreveport.
Posted by: furious at June 28, 2015 11:34 AM (OKpu1)
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OK I've been everywhere in the US but the northeast and here are my impressions.
First, the general regional breakdowns are misleading, most can be broken down even more. For example, the Midwest is better chopped into two regions of north and south. The northwest is better chopped into east and west along the Cascades, and the west coast should be cut into north and south north of San Francisco.
Second, all of the rules fall apart when you go between rural and urban areas. Urban areas are pretty much the same everywhere, regardless of region. Rural areas are more distinct. So Chicago, Austin, San Diego, Miami, and Philadelphia: not much difference.
The Northwest is friendly and easy going, people are easy to get along with, but they only are in a direct context. You won't see people wave at each other, people avoid eye contact when passing on the sidewalk, etc. But if you talk to them in line or at a business, they're very engaging and warm.
The west coast is more accepting of the bizarre and strange, with a few limits: no fur coats, but if you're a guy wearing only stompy boots and a bra with a fake fur coat; perfectly fine.
The midwest is very reserved but very kind and helpful if you are genuinely in need. They won't talk to you much and seem rude or unfriendly, but that's just their nature of keeping to themselves and people they know. If you need help, they'll throw everything aside and run to give you a hand. If you put your hand out demanding more, they ignore you, or mock you openly.
The south is very warm and pleasant and friendly. They'll wave at you from the porch as you drive by, and if you stop at the fence, they'll talk with a smile. Southerners are more openly religious than other people as well, its just a part of open culture there, whereas in the northwest you are lucky to find a functioning church in some areas. Southern women are wonderfully loving and giving; they're the kind of girl that will make you a sandwich while you're watching TV just to show how much they like you. Then when they don't like you, they might shoot you with rock salt and never look back.
Southwestern people are more isolated and quiet. They are not unfriendly, just distant, like the hundreds of miles between towns of empty country. They tend to be super independent and self reliant as well - much of Texas sort of fits this instead of the South.
That's been my impression at least. I will say this, I don't like cities (San Diego being the one exception) but everywhere I've been in the USA has had incredible beauty and great people. I loved Canada and Canadians, too.
First, the general regional breakdowns are misleading, most can be broken down even more. For example, the Midwest is better chopped into two regions of north and south. The northwest is better chopped into east and west along the Cascades, and the west coast should be cut into north and south north of San Francisco.
Second, all of the rules fall apart when you go between rural and urban areas. Urban areas are pretty much the same everywhere, regardless of region. Rural areas are more distinct. So Chicago, Austin, San Diego, Miami, and Philadelphia: not much difference.
The Northwest is friendly and easy going, people are easy to get along with, but they only are in a direct context. You won't see people wave at each other, people avoid eye contact when passing on the sidewalk, etc. But if you talk to them in line or at a business, they're very engaging and warm.
The west coast is more accepting of the bizarre and strange, with a few limits: no fur coats, but if you're a guy wearing only stompy boots and a bra with a fake fur coat; perfectly fine.
The midwest is very reserved but very kind and helpful if you are genuinely in need. They won't talk to you much and seem rude or unfriendly, but that's just their nature of keeping to themselves and people they know. If you need help, they'll throw everything aside and run to give you a hand. If you put your hand out demanding more, they ignore you, or mock you openly.
The south is very warm and pleasant and friendly. They'll wave at you from the porch as you drive by, and if you stop at the fence, they'll talk with a smile. Southerners are more openly religious than other people as well, its just a part of open culture there, whereas in the northwest you are lucky to find a functioning church in some areas. Southern women are wonderfully loving and giving; they're the kind of girl that will make you a sandwich while you're watching TV just to show how much they like you. Then when they don't like you, they might shoot you with rock salt and never look back.
Southwestern people are more isolated and quiet. They are not unfriendly, just distant, like the hundreds of miles between towns of empty country. They tend to be super independent and self reliant as well - much of Texas sort of fits this instead of the South.
That's been my impression at least. I will say this, I don't like cities (San Diego being the one exception) but everywhere I've been in the USA has had incredible beauty and great people. I loved Canada and Canadians, too.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 28, 2015 11:34 AM (39g3+)
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Everything is now a mish-mash, because of migration to follow jobs around the country.
Big cities look and feel a lot alike all over, which doesn't necessarily mean they are all the same. Get out of the cities if you want to understand a state.
Ohio, not being a large state (geographically) has a different feel in different parts.
The rural southeast are the foothills of Appalachia. Rural folks, not very much money, nice people, economically depressed old towns, Democrats. Like much of Appalachia from Georgia up through Eastern Tennessee and Eastern Kentucky and West Virginia.
Very different from the industrial North Coast, Toledo east through Cleveland, Akron, Youngstown (and really to Erie in Pennsylvania). Hard working, blue collar Democrat-union type attitudes. Steel, cars, heavy industry. Some really beautiful small towns around the lake.
Rural northern, central and western Ohio; farmers, conservative, nice small towns and cities, Republicans. Central Ohio, Columbus (now the state's largest city), finance, government, banking, service businesses; not much heavy industry. City Democrat, suburbs Republican.
Cincinnati: conservative, German heritage, southern in some ways, used to be mostly Republican. The city not so much now, but the suburbs are still Republican (city population is way down).
Big cities look and feel a lot alike all over, which doesn't necessarily mean they are all the same. Get out of the cities if you want to understand a state.
Ohio, not being a large state (geographically) has a different feel in different parts.
The rural southeast are the foothills of Appalachia. Rural folks, not very much money, nice people, economically depressed old towns, Democrats. Like much of Appalachia from Georgia up through Eastern Tennessee and Eastern Kentucky and West Virginia.
Very different from the industrial North Coast, Toledo east through Cleveland, Akron, Youngstown (and really to Erie in Pennsylvania). Hard working, blue collar Democrat-union type attitudes. Steel, cars, heavy industry. Some really beautiful small towns around the lake.
Rural northern, central and western Ohio; farmers, conservative, nice small towns and cities, Republicans. Central Ohio, Columbus (now the state's largest city), finance, government, banking, service businesses; not much heavy industry. City Democrat, suburbs Republican.
Cincinnati: conservative, German heritage, southern in some ways, used to be mostly Republican. The city not so much now, but the suburbs are still Republican (city population is way down).
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at June 28, 2015 11:34 AM (+1T7c)
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Note in the south, both "mean" and "kind" show up. They can't both be true. "Mean" comes from jerks who think of all southerners as one noose away from burning a church and lynching all the black bystanders. "Kind" comes from people who have actually been there.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 28, 2015 11:36 AM (39g3+)
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Went to school 15 miles south of Austin 77-81. We had Liberty Lunch, Club Hey Hey, the Coliseum or Civic Center or whatever it was called and of course for my entire college time, The Armadillo World Headquarters. Still visit all the time. Just got back yesterday from the only part of Austin a person should want to be from, SW Austin.
It's not perfect. We have to put up with the indiscretions of reckless young women and their penchant for going out dressed in Daisy Dukes and Cowboy Boots! For shame. Check out the Salt Lick in Driftwood outside Buda in deep SW Austin the next time you visit. It's a good representation of that area.
It's not perfect. We have to put up with the indiscretions of reckless young women and their penchant for going out dressed in Daisy Dukes and Cowboy Boots! For shame. Check out the Salt Lick in Driftwood outside Buda in deep SW Austin the next time you visit. It's a good representation of that area.
Posted by: Fairmedia at June 28, 2015 11:37 AM (lPdaT)
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86 If the biggest liberal fruitbaskets get shrugged off with 'eh, college town,' there's something wrong with colleges.
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The thing wrong with colleges is that they're full of college students.
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The thing wrong with colleges is that they're full of college students.
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at June 28, 2015 11:37 AM (pspWL)
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29 although, now living in Alabama, the Ala/Auburn thing does rule here - pick a side, you WILL be asked!
Posted by: geezer der mensch at June 28, 2015 11:11 AM (DE31Y)
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I lived in Auburn for a few years, and this is true. War Eagle
Posted by: geezer der mensch at June 28, 2015 11:11 AM (DE31Y)
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I lived in Auburn for a few years, and this is true. War Eagle
Posted by: Dave S. at June 28, 2015 11:38 AM (mhkbv)
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RIP Chris Squire.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 28, 2015 11:38 AM (eEb+d)
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A better Oregon city for comparison is Eugene, another wackadoo-left college town. The look and feel and cultural atmosphere of the two cities are almost identical.
Yeah Eugene is... its a crap pile of leftist stupid in a beautiful bowl. Its a nice enough looking town, in a lovely setting, full of strange people doing crazy crap. That means it has some neat artsy stuff, but you have to put up with the people.
Yeah Eugene is... its a crap pile of leftist stupid in a beautiful bowl. Its a nice enough looking town, in a lovely setting, full of strange people doing crazy crap. That means it has some neat artsy stuff, but you have to put up with the people.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 28, 2015 11:39 AM (39g3+)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:40 AM (RWGcK)
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Then put up an open thread.
Then put up an open thread.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at June 28, 2015 11:41 AM (5jPLo)
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I lived in Auburn for a few years, and this is true. War Eagle
I lived in Tuscaloosa for a year one summer.
Roll Tide.
I lived in Tuscaloosa for a year one summer.
Roll Tide.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 28, 2015 11:41 AM (eEb+d)
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Except Western Maryland is kind of its own thing, I think. The Kentuckians I met seemed to relate to Western Maryland in the way they relate to West Virginia. Really more "Appalachia" than The South.
If you think Md. looks like a pistol, then Y-not is talking about the barrel, and she's right. I thought about it but didn't mention it because "Appalachia" is a subculture of the general category "Southern".
Vic - That's Cecil County. Ironic that Md's most racist county is also one of the northernmost, right on the Pa. border.
If you think Md. looks like a pistol, then Y-not is talking about the barrel, and she's right. I thought about it but didn't mention it because "Appalachia" is a subculture of the general category "Southern".
Vic - That's Cecil County. Ironic that Md's most racist county is also one of the northernmost, right on the Pa. border.
Posted by: Weirddave at June 28, 2015 11:42 AM (WvS3w)
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Very sad to hear about Chris Squire, co-founder of Yes and amazing talent. Dead at 67 from Leukemia.
Yes - Awaken
https://youtu.be/98-iBpbEbNk
Yes - Awaken
https://youtu.be/98-iBpbEbNk
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 28, 2015 11:43 AM (39g3+)
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I probably had the most fun and the most exciting night life when I lived in the Bay Area. But that may have been because of my age more than anything else besides it being a major metro area.
But I would not move back there now for anything.
But I would not move back there now for anything.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 11:43 AM (GpgJl)
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My favorite MA city is Worcester.
It does not insist on itself.
Back in the good ol' days before the Alphacide and Carly Fiorina, I frequently did some consulting work that involved traveling to Maynard. Often stayed in a Days Inn in Worcester that had been some sort of old folks home; the rooms still had the "help needed" lights above the doors and the "help me!" cord pulls in the bathrooms.
My favorite MA city is Worcester.
It does not insist on itself.
Back in the good ol' days before the Alphacide and Carly Fiorina, I frequently did some consulting work that involved traveling to Maynard. Often stayed in a Days Inn in Worcester that had been some sort of old folks home; the rooms still had the "help needed" lights above the doors and the "help me!" cord pulls in the bathrooms.
Posted by: Anachronda at June 28, 2015 11:44 AM (o78gS)
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You had me at "minimal mental effort".
Posted by: jwpaine, otherized for your protection at June 28, 2015 11:44 AM (aiogl)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:45 AM (pCePB)
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At a visit to New Orleans once, I got into a conversation with a black man. He had lived in Oakland, California, and several other places, in addition to New Orleans. I asked what he thought was the best place to live for an African American man.
"Not Oakland," he said. "That's the most racist of all. But you wouldn't know it by looking at it. It's under the surface."
He said New Orleans, and the South in general, were wonderful places, and grossly misjudged. He said if there was racism, it was "out in the open" and easier to deal with than in California, and overall people were friendlier and happier.
I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, and I found this fascinating!
"Not Oakland," he said. "That's the most racist of all. But you wouldn't know it by looking at it. It's under the surface."
He said New Orleans, and the South in general, were wonderful places, and grossly misjudged. He said if there was racism, it was "out in the open" and easier to deal with than in California, and overall people were friendlier and happier.
I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, and I found this fascinating!
Posted by: debiesam at June 28, 2015 11:46 AM (q/Oll)
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I wonder if it's "mean" as in "cheap?" Probably not.
Hardly anyone even is aware of that use of the word any more. Its a great term though.
My problem with big cities like NYC and Boston is that they are absolutely sure they are the most important, greatest, most enlightened place on earth with the finest everything and f- you if you even remotely consider disagreeing.
I've pointed this out before, but the same people that think waving a flag and loving America is so awful and dated and wrong... are wearing a I Love NY Shirt and yell it at every opportunity. You don't have a problem with patriotism. You have a problem with the USA and its heritage.
Hardly anyone even is aware of that use of the word any more. Its a great term though.
My problem with big cities like NYC and Boston is that they are absolutely sure they are the most important, greatest, most enlightened place on earth with the finest everything and f- you if you even remotely consider disagreeing.
I've pointed this out before, but the same people that think waving a flag and loving America is so awful and dated and wrong... are wearing a I Love NY Shirt and yell it at every opportunity. You don't have a problem with patriotism. You have a problem with the USA and its heritage.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 28, 2015 11:46 AM (39g3+)
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Confederate battle flag brouhaha.[/i[
They're gearing up for the real battle: the US flag. They hate that one more than anything.
They're gearing up for the real battle: the US flag. They hate that one more than anything.
Posted by: t-bird at June 28, 2015 11:48 AM (FcR7P)
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closed!
Posted by: t-bird at June 28, 2015 11:48 AM (FcR7P)
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The west coast is more accepting of the bizarre and strange, with a few limits: no fur coats, but if you're a guy wearing only stompy boots and a bra with a fake fur coat; perfectly fine.
You forgot the assless chaps.
You forgot the assless chaps.
Posted by: OregonMuse at June 28, 2015 11:48 AM (AWijS)
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There are two Kentucky's:
Eastern Kentucky begins at the north at Maysville cutting South by southwest to Corbin.
West Kentucky is everything else that Mister Peabody's coal-train didn't haul away.(
) Different land. Different politics. Different lifestyle. Different people.
Dad was born and raised in a Coal camp. Mamaw worked in the YMCA near the company store.
Eastern Kentucky begins at the north at Maysville cutting South by southwest to Corbin.
West Kentucky is everything else that Mister Peabody's coal-train didn't haul away.(
) Different land. Different politics. Different lifestyle. Different people.
Dad was born and raised in a Coal camp. Mamaw worked in the YMCA near the company store.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at June 28, 2015 11:49 AM (rCjdK)
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98 @92
I wonder if it's "mean" as in "cheap?" Probably not.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:40 AM (RWGcK)
It could be referring to that Y-not, LOL we repurpose or "rig" things to work quite a bit!
I wonder if it's "mean" as in "cheap?" Probably not.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:40 AM (RWGcK)
It could be referring to that Y-not, LOL we repurpose or "rig" things to work quite a bit!
Posted by: FCF at June 28, 2015 11:49 AM (kejii)
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I was in San Fran a couple weeks ago. Whole place smelled like weed piss...
Posted by: OG Celtic-America at June 28, 2015 11:50 AM (W2CpM)
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If you want the feel of the old Deep South, go to Savannah, GA. It used to be that way, anyway.
Posted by: Soona at June 28, 2015 11:51 AM (Cz0Zt)
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>>and the small towns of New England are so fun to visit.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:20 AM (RWGcK)
Stay away from 'Salem's Lot.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:20 AM (RWGcK)
Stay away from 'Salem's Lot.
Posted by: HH at June 28, 2015 11:52 AM (Qia1Z)
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>>Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at June 28, 2015 11:49 AM
I was learning that during my trip. Or maybe there are three Kentucky's? Northern cities, western KY, and eastern KY?
I read an interesting column at Ricochet after the KY primary describing the state's political landscape:
https://ricochet.com/kentucky-gubernatorial-primary-83-vote-margin/
I was learning that during my trip. Or maybe there are three Kentucky's? Northern cities, western KY, and eastern KY?
I read an interesting column at Ricochet after the KY primary describing the state's political landscape:
https://ricochet.com/kentucky-gubernatorial-primary-83-vote-margin/
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:52 AM (RWGcK)
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115
If you want the feel of the old Deep South, go to Savannah, GA. It used to be that way, anyway.
Posted by: Soona at June 28, 2015 11:51 AM (Cz0Zt)
Old town Charleston is also not bad.
If you want the feel of the old Deep South, go to Savannah, GA. It used to be that way, anyway.
Posted by: Soona at June 28, 2015 11:51 AM (Cz0Zt)
Old town Charleston is also not bad.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 11:52 AM (GpgJl)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:52 AM (pCePB)
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Yeah Eugene is... its a crap pile of leftist stupid in a beautiful bowl. Its a nice enough looking town, in a lovely setting, full of strange people doing crazy crap. That means it has some neat artsy stuff, but you have to put up with the people.
It's actually not hard to find conservative people here in Eugene. We may be the minority, but we're not non-existent.
We're just not sashaying up and down Willamette Street in sequined bikini briefs and cowboy boots.
It's actually not hard to find conservative people here in Eugene. We may be the minority, but we're not non-existent.
We're just not sashaying up and down Willamette Street in sequined bikini briefs and cowboy boots.
Posted by: OregonMuse at June 28, 2015 11:52 AM (AWijS)
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I loved Savannah when we went a few years ago.
Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2015 11:52 AM (2LVOe)
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I just completed a 3 month gig in Birmingham, AL and I'm from Kentucky.
I agree completely about KY, it is a blend, but I'd also say there is a bit of a dividing line in the middle of the state, down close to Tennessee, you will start getting a more old South flavor (at least getting away from the freeways).
Birmingham, AL felt very Midwest to me. Even the natives I encountered who grew up there didn't really have the kind of drawl I associate with Southern accents. Where I really noticed it was the people I worked with. There were a couple of them that were Pure Southern Belle material, "Honey, Sweetie and Bless your heart" (Yes, I had just done something stupid to earn that one).
That being said, everyone was FRIENDLY!
(If you find yourself in Birmingham, you absolutely have eat at the Fig Tree Cafe. In five years of professional traveling that is hands down the friendliest restaurant I've ever visited, and as a bonus, the food is stellar)
I agree completely about KY, it is a blend, but I'd also say there is a bit of a dividing line in the middle of the state, down close to Tennessee, you will start getting a more old South flavor (at least getting away from the freeways).
Birmingham, AL felt very Midwest to me. Even the natives I encountered who grew up there didn't really have the kind of drawl I associate with Southern accents. Where I really noticed it was the people I worked with. There were a couple of them that were Pure Southern Belle material, "Honey, Sweetie and Bless your heart" (Yes, I had just done something stupid to earn that one).
That being said, everyone was FRIENDLY!
(If you find yourself in Birmingham, you absolutely have eat at the Fig Tree Cafe. In five years of professional traveling that is hands down the friendliest restaurant I've ever visited, and as a bonus, the food is stellar)
Posted by: name at June 28, 2015 11:52 AM (JkXaE)
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83 Missed Crater lake for Portland
Idiots
Posted by: Kindltot at June 28, 2015 11:32 AM (3pRHP)
Went up to visit the 'rents a ways back and came back by way of the Cascades and Crater Lake. The entire region has quite a bit of elevation and looks like Disney nature movies. When you start to learn about the forces that have shaped the land and begin to see the signs upon it, it is awe-inspiring.
(Crater Lake started as a volcano named Mount Mazama that was roughly 12,000 feet high. Around 5600 BC, it commenced a series of violent eruptions that ultimately evacuated so much material that the mountain collapsed into the emptied magma chamber. The rim of the crater is roughly half as high as the mountain once stood, the lake is quite a ways down from the rim, and the lake itself is almost 2000 feet deep.)
Idiots
Posted by: Kindltot at June 28, 2015 11:32 AM (3pRHP)
Went up to visit the 'rents a ways back and came back by way of the Cascades and Crater Lake. The entire region has quite a bit of elevation and looks like Disney nature movies. When you start to learn about the forces that have shaped the land and begin to see the signs upon it, it is awe-inspiring.
(Crater Lake started as a volcano named Mount Mazama that was roughly 12,000 feet high. Around 5600 BC, it commenced a series of violent eruptions that ultimately evacuated so much material that the mountain collapsed into the emptied magma chamber. The rim of the crater is roughly half as high as the mountain once stood, the lake is quite a ways down from the rim, and the lake itself is almost 2000 feet deep.)
Posted by: cthulhu at June 28, 2015 11:52 AM (EzgxV)
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Appalachia and Southern culture are not quite the same, as I have seen it.
Appalachia is still a reservoir of the hard-scrabble Scotch-Irish immigration, and they still hold on to a lot of the old folk-ways.
Some southerners are still whimsically reminiscent about the Old South, but for the most part, I think that's changed (except again in some small towns). Most southern folks I've met and dealt with are pretty friendly, once you get over the crap about being a "Yankee!", which usually goes away pretty quick once someone knows you.
Florida is weird, and maybe the one state that I really have grown to dislike.
Western Florida (west coast, Tampa, etc) has been invaded by people from the Midwest (Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, western Pennsylvania) and is more friendly and tolerable. Eastern Florida (Miami, etc) has either been invaded by New Yorkers, New Jersiers (is that a word?), or the Hispanics from the Caribbean (which is a huge mixed bag). Gawd, wot a mess!
And illegal drug trade everywhere. It's like "Miami Vice", except it doesn't have a cool soundtrack and everything is really pretty tacky.
And old people, everywhere. And Orlando and Disneyworld (which I detest).
Appalachia is still a reservoir of the hard-scrabble Scotch-Irish immigration, and they still hold on to a lot of the old folk-ways.
Some southerners are still whimsically reminiscent about the Old South, but for the most part, I think that's changed (except again in some small towns). Most southern folks I've met and dealt with are pretty friendly, once you get over the crap about being a "Yankee!", which usually goes away pretty quick once someone knows you.
Florida is weird, and maybe the one state that I really have grown to dislike.
Western Florida (west coast, Tampa, etc) has been invaded by people from the Midwest (Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, western Pennsylvania) and is more friendly and tolerable. Eastern Florida (Miami, etc) has either been invaded by New Yorkers, New Jersiers (is that a word?), or the Hispanics from the Caribbean (which is a huge mixed bag). Gawd, wot a mess!
And illegal drug trade everywhere. It's like "Miami Vice", except it doesn't have a cool soundtrack and everything is really pretty tacky.
And old people, everywhere. And Orlando and Disneyworld (which I detest).
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at June 28, 2015 11:53 AM (+1T7c)
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"Old town Charleston is also not bad. "
I've been told, many times, that I need to visit C'ston.
I've been told, many times, that I need to visit C'ston.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:53 AM (pCePB)
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good people are everywhere....but i have found the best people live away from other people......
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at June 28, 2015 11:53 AM (0O7c5)
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What's wrong with this one?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:52 AM
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They're miffed b/c I was trying to keep this one on topic so we could have a break from politics and turmoil.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:52 AM
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They're miffed b/c I was trying to keep this one on topic so we could have a break from politics and turmoil.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:54 AM (RWGcK)
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"We're just not sashaying up and down Willamette Street in sequined bikini briefs and cowboy boots."
Wut?
Wut?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:54 AM (pCePB)
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We've driven through most of the U.S.. grew up in Texas and have lived in Kansas, Pennsylvania and now northern Virginia. To me Texas is Texas and not "the South". Nashville is the most "southern"city we've been to and we loved it. Been to NYC and Tokyo. Prefer the quiet cleanliness of Tokyo. NYC had the biggest influence on behaviour in the shortest amount of time. New Jersey is the one place I just don't like, not the styles or attitudes or accents. Hope that one day California will get it's act together so we can retire along the coast.
Posted by: Beth M at June 28, 2015 11:55 AM (kiy9d)
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In Charleston they say, "my pleasure".
In Baltimore they pronounce "flowers", like "flares".
In NW Pa. they say "tards" instead of "towards".
Soon our cool accents will be illegal because someone is offended.
In Baltimore they pronounce "flowers", like "flares".
In NW Pa. they say "tards" instead of "towards".
Soon our cool accents will be illegal because someone is offended.
Posted by: redenzo at June 28, 2015 11:55 AM (WCnJW)
Posted by: Kreplach at June 28, 2015 11:56 AM (WVvzl)
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The pre-war plantations and gardens in Al and MS are fantastic visits.
Posted by: OG Celtic-America at June 28, 2015 11:56 AM (W2CpM)
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I played a couple of gigs in Savannah about 15 years ago. Loved all the old architecture.
Did the Factor's Walk Crawl, so I was told.
Did the Factor's Walk Crawl, so I was told.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 28, 2015 11:56 AM (eEb+d)
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Falcon 9 blew up during launch. Boy, this really is bowb-your-buddy week.
Posted by: Agent-J at June 28, 2015 11:56 AM (ueOgE)
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"I was trying to keep this one on topic so we could have a break from politics and turmoil."
Agree. That stuff will depress you.
Agree. That stuff will depress you.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:57 AM (pCePB)
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There is a strong, but under the radar French-Canadian culture in New England and New York.
Posted by: eman at June 28, 2015 11:57 AM (MQEz6)
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>>In NW Pa. they say "tards" instead of "towards".
In Kentucky I was told Louisville is "Loll".
I couldn't get it down to one syllable, but I was doing a pretty decent two-syllable version of it!
In Kentucky I was told Louisville is "Loll".
I couldn't get it down to one syllable, but I was doing a pretty decent two-syllable version of it!
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:57 AM (RWGcK)
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West Virginia has its own weird vibe.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 28, 2015 11:57 AM (TF10X)
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And how did they miss "crazy" for the Left Coast?
Posted by: Agent-J at June 28, 2015 11:57 AM (ueOgE)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:58 AM (pCePB)
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Then put up an open thread.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at June 28, 2015 11:41 AM (5jPLo)
Better idea: Put up an open thread on your own blog.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at June 28, 2015 11:41 AM (5jPLo)
Better idea: Put up an open thread on your own blog.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 28, 2015 11:58 AM (Zu3d9)
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Wifey wants to go to Lake George. We're not hikers, just like water and quiet and mildly touristy stuff. And a clean place to stay.
Does anyone have any info/recommendations/suggestions? Thanks.
Does anyone have any info/recommendations/suggestions? Thanks.
Posted by: Mega at June 28, 2015 11:58 AM (lWgLI)
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>>West Virginia has its own weird vibe.
Wild and Wonderful!
I've been a couple of times, decades ago. I remember thinking how "interesting" the mountain roads were. NO guardrails but plenty of little white crosses showing where people had gone off the road!
Wild and Wonderful!
I've been a couple of times, decades ago. I remember thinking how "interesting" the mountain roads were. NO guardrails but plenty of little white crosses showing where people had gone off the road!
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:59 AM (RWGcK)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at June 28, 2015 11:59 AM (Kucy5)
Posted by: OG Celtic-America at June 28, 2015 11:59 AM (W2CpM)
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If you haven't got enough lecturing this last week from Obama on subjects he knows nothing about.
"Barack Obama meets David Attenborough" at 5:30 eastern 4:30 central. They will be lecturing us on climate change from what I gather from the promo.
A quote from Attenborough:
"If we find ways of generating and storing power from renewable resources we will make the problem with oil and coal and other carbon problems disappear"
To which I say:
If islam turns to peace we will make the problems with ISIS and other muslim problems in the ME disappear.
Which statement is more scientific?
"Barack Obama meets David Attenborough" at 5:30 eastern 4:30 central. They will be lecturing us on climate change from what I gather from the promo.
A quote from Attenborough:
"If we find ways of generating and storing power from renewable resources we will make the problem with oil and coal and other carbon problems disappear"
To which I say:
If islam turns to peace we will make the problems with ISIS and other muslim problems in the ME disappear.
Which statement is more scientific?
Posted by: Robinson at June 28, 2015 12:00 PM (1SHv1)
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140 "Falcon 9 blew up during launch."
No shit?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:58 AM (pCePB)
Yup. It vaporized itself.
ISS crew is on rations now.
140 "Falcon 9 blew up during launch."
No shit?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:58 AM (pCePB)
Yup. It vaporized itself.
ISS crew is on rations now.
Posted by: eman at June 28, 2015 12:00 PM (MQEz6)
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I probably had the most fun and the most exciting night life when I lived in the Bay Area. But that may have been because of my age
It's calmed down a bit, Vic, since the Gold Rush days, but it's still the place to go at night. And it's still a completely separate world from the rest of the Bay Area.
It's calmed down a bit, Vic, since the Gold Rush days, but it's still the place to go at night. And it's still a completely separate world from the rest of the Bay Area.
Posted by: t-bird at June 28, 2015 12:00 PM (FcR7P)
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I think we've found the Bostonians on this thread -- IYKWIM! LOL
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 12:01 PM (RWGcK)
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They're miffed b/c I was trying to keep this one on topic so we could have a break from politics and turmoil.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:54 AM (RWGcK)
Unfortunately, when one does any topic on America, it will always come down to politics and turmoil. It's what most of this nation has become.
Thank progressivism.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 11:54 AM (RWGcK)
Unfortunately, when one does any topic on America, it will always come down to politics and turmoil. It's what most of this nation has become.
Thank progressivism.
Posted by: Soona at June 28, 2015 12:01 PM (Cz0Zt)
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Well, that probably would have been an interesting read.
Comments too.
But unfortunately,,, yep, you guessed it.
Comments too.
But unfortunately,,, yep, you guessed it.
Posted by: teej at June 28, 2015 12:02 PM (/czxp)
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Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 11:53 AM (pCePB)
Charleston is a wonderful city.
Friendly people, beautiful architecture, fantastic food culture.....
Oh, and the women are not unattractive.
Charleston is a wonderful city.
Friendly people, beautiful architecture, fantastic food culture.....
Oh, and the women are not unattractive.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 28, 2015 12:02 PM (Zu3d9)
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I agree with Christopher completely, and also that Boston/NYC types are not rude so much as blunt. Which comes off as rude to some of us!
I'd also say that the South is more than one group. Hillbilly culture is very different than Southern culture further South, even though it encompasses most of it. It's also where most of the negative stereotypes come from, and like most stereotypes, it's pretty accurate.
The Delta is what I think of when I think of the old South, (and the Tidewater/Low Country) and they have that gorgeous drawl. I think the area around Natchez/Vicksburg, would be a great place to go looking, and be sure and hit the smaller towns all around.
The South has been overrun with foreigners ( using the hillbilly context here, meaning people from other states) but the smaller towns still have the feel.
Any place that still has an active Junior League will probably still be pretty Southern.
I'd also say that the South is more than one group. Hillbilly culture is very different than Southern culture further South, even though it encompasses most of it. It's also where most of the negative stereotypes come from, and like most stereotypes, it's pretty accurate.
The Delta is what I think of when I think of the old South, (and the Tidewater/Low Country) and they have that gorgeous drawl. I think the area around Natchez/Vicksburg, would be a great place to go looking, and be sure and hit the smaller towns all around.
The South has been overrun with foreigners ( using the hillbilly context here, meaning people from other states) but the smaller towns still have the feel.
Any place that still has an active Junior League will probably still be pretty Southern.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 12:03 PM (BVDFs)
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Yeah, I've been to Savannah a bunch of times. Went to visit an old friend who moved their, 'till we had a big falling out.
Savannah is charming in its own way, but only the charming parts and expensive neighborhoods near the river. Parts of it are decrepit and unpleasant, as you move west from the Savannah River, River Street and Bay Street.
Charleston and it's poorer step sister Beaufort are supposed to be really nice.
And that's the schizophrenic part of southern cities. Some parts are just really nice and charming, and then there are parts that are really poor and scary (usually inhabited by our African American brothers). Not terribly different from Northern cities, just seems like more of a disconnect somehow.
Savannah is charming in its own way, but only the charming parts and expensive neighborhoods near the river. Parts of it are decrepit and unpleasant, as you move west from the Savannah River, River Street and Bay Street.
Charleston and it's poorer step sister Beaufort are supposed to be really nice.
And that's the schizophrenic part of southern cities. Some parts are just really nice and charming, and then there are parts that are really poor and scary (usually inhabited by our African American brothers). Not terribly different from Northern cities, just seems like more of a disconnect somehow.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at June 28, 2015 12:03 PM (+1T7c)
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>>Posted by: Soona at June 28, 2015 12:01 PM
Yeah, discouraging and sad times.
I am basically an optimist and I think most Americans are fundamentally good. My little trip last week was well-timed b/c it kept me off the internet and afforded me a chance to meet more Americans.
I still haven't been to Oklahoma. For some reason it's a place I'd really like to see. I think I'd like the people there.
Yeah, discouraging and sad times.
I am basically an optimist and I think most Americans are fundamentally good. My little trip last week was well-timed b/c it kept me off the internet and afforded me a chance to meet more Americans.
I still haven't been to Oklahoma. For some reason it's a place I'd really like to see. I think I'd like the people there.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 12:04 PM (RWGcK)
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Born and raised in the Napa Valley/St. Helena area, before it became a huge tourist spot. Moved to Texas in the mid 70's and love it. Fortunate to live in a small town that has kept the small town feeling. PG is right, my nearest neighbor is 1/2 mile away on either side.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 28, 2015 12:04 PM (g1Sdg)
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117- Can confirm. There is to me: three Kentucky's as you described. South West/North/East. Lived in 'soky' now for awhile, and before that i was in college in Huntington wva- right ont he border with KY, made treks into eastern kentucky for awhile, and often make treks north to indianapolis and there's alot of differences in the regions, imo.
Posted by: Saar at June 28, 2015 12:04 PM (EDN2/)
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Swap around the "So Cold" and "So Very Cold" and I'm good with the map.
--Dude who grew up in NE Montana and who has lived in Minnesota.
--Dude who grew up in NE Montana and who has lived in Minnesota.
Posted by: Sasquatch, the trans-Wookie Original at June 28, 2015 12:05 PM (dboyw)
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146 I forgot the where Obama is lecturing today BBC America.
Posted by: Robinson at June 28, 2015 12:05 PM (1SHv1)
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"Yup. It vaporized itself.
ISS crew is on rations now."
Time to get everybody in one room and start yelling.
ISS crew is on rations now."
Time to get everybody in one room and start yelling.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 12:05 PM (pCePB)
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>>Posted by: Saar at June 28, 2015 12:04 PM
Got to spend a few hours in Louisville, but just at an event in the outskirts.
Lexington SOUNDS beautiful from what people were describing.
Looking forward to returning.
Got to spend a few hours in Louisville, but just at an event in the outskirts.
Lexington SOUNDS beautiful from what people were describing.
Looking forward to returning.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 12:06 PM (RWGcK)
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From Northern Illinois and very Midwestern. One of the saddest results of the depression here is that Chicago even downtown is now a no-go zone. I used to take visiting people for a day trip on the train to the loop, walk some of the major architectural sites, get to the lakefront, and take everyone home after an exhausting but beautiful day. Too dangerous now. I used to take overseas visitors from work and they always asked about how clean and polite the 'natives' were and how did the government enforce it?
Living in the middle of nowhere in a very small town along a research corridor, we ended up with the corporate gypsies. Of the gypsies, the west coast and southern were more accepting of the Midwestern cultural norms. Anyone from the East coast (including Southeast) was trying to impose their 'status' games on us rubes.
High hilarity ensued when one of the corporate types was seriously asking me about which country club to join -- not realizing that all of them in my neck of the woods are public.
Living in the middle of nowhere in a very small town along a research corridor, we ended up with the corporate gypsies. Of the gypsies, the west coast and southern were more accepting of the Midwestern cultural norms. Anyone from the East coast (including Southeast) was trying to impose their 'status' games on us rubes.
High hilarity ensued when one of the corporate types was seriously asking me about which country club to join -- not realizing that all of them in my neck of the woods are public.
Posted by: mustbequantum at June 28, 2015 12:06 PM (MIKMs)
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So, has everyone got a preconceived notion of Miley Cyrus' enthusiasms? Does your expectation involve getting naked with a pig?
http://pge.sx/1LCMATT
http://pge.sx/1LCMATT
Posted by: MTF at June 28, 2015 12:06 PM (DkJ4E)
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Oh lord, the 'true south'? The south is a big place and the character changes depending on where you are. Louisiana ain't Georgia! Etc. I think you'd have to several places to really get the picture.
The Brit thing has arkansas as 'bill Clinton'. That's pretty much all anybody knows I guess. I can tell you arkansas is very pretty. Lots of hills/mountains and green and lakes. Unless you go too far south and then you turn into Louisiana without an entire liquor store in the grocery store and drie trough daquries. Which are awesome, btw.
People in Maryland like to tell you that they are the south because of the Madison Dixon line. I have never met a true southerner who agrees.
The Brit thing has arkansas as 'bill Clinton'. That's pretty much all anybody knows I guess. I can tell you arkansas is very pretty. Lots of hills/mountains and green and lakes. Unless you go too far south and then you turn into Louisiana without an entire liquor store in the grocery store and drie trough daquries. Which are awesome, btw.
People in Maryland like to tell you that they are the south because of the Madison Dixon line. I have never met a true southerner who agrees.
Posted by: Lea at June 28, 2015 12:07 PM (vmMMi)
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I'm from KY. From a bourbon family. It is my home. Will always be my home. Educated mostly out of state from middle school thru law school. My friends growing up were all like I am. When people think KY they think hillbillies and rednecks. When people ask where I'm from, they are always shocked. Stereotypes, preconceived notions, etc. Where were you in KY, Y?
Posted by: NCKate at June 28, 2015 12:07 PM (bP6xm)
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I'm gonna be working west Idaho the next couple of months, looking forward to that. Shuttle between Boise and Lewiston and hope to have a couple days off to get up to Sand Point.
Posted by: OG Celtic-America at June 28, 2015 12:07 PM (W2CpM)
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So visit Hanford, Washington? If you are into nukes that's great. I would suggest Steptoe Butte, not too far away. Some Army detachment in 1858 (run by Brvt Lt Col Steptoe) got their asses kicked by Spokane, Palouse and Coeur d' Alene tribal members. Almost another last stand due to no more bullets. Snuck away at night after abandoning equipment and mountain howitzers.
Avoid Seattle, the Mos Eisley of Washington State.
Avoid Seattle, the Mos Eisley of Washington State.
Posted by: Seattle at June 28, 2015 12:09 PM (O4YGa)
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Gotta go mow the lawn. We still do that in OK.
Posted by: Soona at June 28, 2015 12:09 PM (Cz0Zt)
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I haven't travelled much as an adult. I lived in Cleveland for a while. Everyone was ugly and covered with tattoos. Shirtless, severely overweight grandpas on handicapped scooters tattooed extravagantly. More booze in the grocery store than groceries.
Most of my time has been in Oklahoma. It is much more racially diverse than outsiders realize. After slavery, we had whole towns of black migrants build communities, colleges, etc. that still exist. A huge Native American population. Growing Mexican population. Also, a small, but noticeable presence of Vietnamese and Korean.
Most of my time has been in Oklahoma. It is much more racially diverse than outsiders realize. After slavery, we had whole towns of black migrants build communities, colleges, etc. that still exist. A huge Native American population. Growing Mexican population. Also, a small, but noticeable presence of Vietnamese and Korean.
Posted by: Old Hob at June 28, 2015 12:09 PM (Z+7WE)
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161 Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 12:06--
I try and avoid Louisville, its as you expect from a typical city. However, yeah Lexington by contrast is much more beautiful, and the surrounding areas are breath taking. Travel around the city outskirts as well, rolling bluegrass hills with white fences, horses roaming around.
I try and avoid Louisville, its as you expect from a typical city. However, yeah Lexington by contrast is much more beautiful, and the surrounding areas are breath taking. Travel around the city outskirts as well, rolling bluegrass hills with white fences, horses roaming around.
Posted by: Saar at June 28, 2015 12:10 PM (EDN2/)
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New Detroit is much safer than Old Detroit.
Posted by: Corona at June 28, 2015 12:10 PM (jNCu+)
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Posted by: OG Celtic-America at June 28, 2015 12:07 PM (W2CpM)
If you have a chance, take a trip into the Sawtooth NRA. It is God's country.
If you have a chance, take a trip into the Sawtooth NRA. It is God's country.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 28, 2015 12:10 PM (Zu3d9)
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I agree that while Texas is definitely part of the South, it is an entity unto itself.
Louisiana, while definitely Southern in many ways, especially northern and eastern areas, has those subcultures.
The Cajun culture is very significant and strong in a lot of places, and New Orleans has never struck me as even being 100 percent American, even though it's very Southern in a lot of ways.
Louisiana, while definitely Southern in many ways, especially northern and eastern areas, has those subcultures.
The Cajun culture is very significant and strong in a lot of places, and New Orleans has never struck me as even being 100 percent American, even though it's very Southern in a lot of ways.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 12:10 PM (BVDFs)
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Good heavens. Apparently the squirrels are in heat. It's like a rodent porn flick in my trees.
And their females pretend they don't want it, just like ours.
And their females pretend they don't want it, just like ours.
Posted by: Just some guy at June 28, 2015 12:11 PM (yxw0r)
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Where were you in KY, Y?
Posted by: NCKate at June 28, 2015 12:07 PM
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Mostly Bowling Green area with a jaunt up to Louisville. It was a short trip.
Posted by: NCKate at June 28, 2015 12:07 PM
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Mostly Bowling Green area with a jaunt up to Louisville. It was a short trip.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 12:12 PM (RWGcK)
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Thanks CBD! I have spent time from Sun Valley up to Salmon. If Salmon had an airport closer that 2.5 hours I'd have moved there.
Posted by: OG Celtic-America at June 28, 2015 12:13 PM (W2CpM)
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>> Good heavens. Apparently the squirrels are in heat. It's like a rodent porn flick in my trees.
Speaking of squirrels, saw several white squirrels in Kentucky. Really cool!
Speaking of squirrels, saw several white squirrels in Kentucky. Really cool!
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 12:13 PM (RWGcK)
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>>29 although, now living in Alabama, the Ala/Auburn thing does rule here - pick a side, you WILL be asked!
Posted by: geezer der mensch at June 28, 2015 11:11 AM (DE31Y)
ut/a&m in Texas. Arkansas is just the hogs.
Btw, football didn't come up in any of these lists on the south? Because that needs to be on the list. It's important
Posted by: geezer der mensch at June 28, 2015 11:11 AM (DE31Y)
ut/a&m in Texas. Arkansas is just the hogs.
Btw, football didn't come up in any of these lists on the south? Because that needs to be on the list. It's important
Posted by: Lea at June 28, 2015 12:13 PM (vmMMi)
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Come to Macon GA and I'll show you some true South. Don't come in the Summer though.
People down here are generally friendlier but there's plenty of aholes too. Like anywhere folks from elsewhere may take a while to be accepted.
People down here are generally friendlier but there's plenty of aholes too. Like anywhere folks from elsewhere may take a while to be accepted.
Posted by: freaked at June 28, 2015 12:13 PM (XaJ3Z)
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>>Posted by: Saar at June 28, 2015 12:10 PM
One of the morons was telling me that there's a tech-hub near Covington. Can't recall the name of the town/area.
One of the morons was telling me that there's a tech-hub near Covington. Can't recall the name of the town/area.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 12:14 PM (RWGcK)
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A few years ago at dinner with some friends (SF Bay Area) I mentioned I wanted to retire in the South somewhere, like NC or TN.
The conversation stopped like we were in a play and they all stared at me like I was crazy.
This was a mix of people from Haiti, Los Angeles, NYC, Hong Kong, and Ottawa.
The American South was Hicksville to them.
The conversation stopped like we were in a play and they all stared at me like I was crazy.
This was a mix of people from Haiti, Los Angeles, NYC, Hong Kong, and Ottawa.
The American South was Hicksville to them.
Posted by: eman at June 28, 2015 12:14 PM (MQEz6)
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154: Beaufort SC is really nice. Been there four times, love it. St Helena Island is a very unique area too.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 28, 2015 12:14 PM (ucDmr)
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179
Come to Macon GA and I'll show you some true South. Don't come in the Summer though.
People down here are generally friendlier but there's plenty of
aholes too. Like anywhere folks from elsewhere may take a while to be
accepted.
Posted by: freaked at June 28, 2015 12:13 PM (XaJ3Z)
From what I hear from my bothers over in Dublin Macon has become Detroit of the South.
Come to Macon GA and I'll show you some true South. Don't come in the Summer though.
People down here are generally friendlier but there's plenty of
aholes too. Like anywhere folks from elsewhere may take a while to be
accepted.
Posted by: freaked at June 28, 2015 12:13 PM (XaJ3Z)
From what I hear from my bothers over in Dublin Macon has become Detroit of the South.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 12:15 PM (GpgJl)
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BTW, NCKate, "From a Bourbon family" is a cool thing to be able to say!
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 12:16 PM (RWGcK)
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Houston is like the bastard child of Texas and Cajun
Posted by: ThunderB at June 28, 2015 12:16 PM (zOTsN)
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Houston is like the bastard child of Texas and Cajun
Posted by: ThunderB at June 28, 2015 12:16 PM (zOTsN)
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181 The American South was Hicksville to them.
Posted by: eman at June 28, 2015 12:14 PM (MQEz6)
TV and movies influence again.
Posted by: eman at June 28, 2015 12:14 PM (MQEz6)
TV and movies influence again.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 12:16 PM (GpgJl)
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Posted by: OG Celtic-America at June 28, 2015 12:13 PM (W2CpM)
I spent a week there and decided that it may be the most beautiful place on earth.
[don't tell anyone else....]
I spent a week there and decided that it may be the most beautiful place on earth.
[don't tell anyone else....]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 28, 2015 12:16 PM (Zu3d9)
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The Fox news Empress' interview with that 40
something insipid, feckless, ball-less, richer than God Walmart CEO made
me think, that's the problem. That's the opportunity to slow this thing
down. The right should stand for Corporate CEO salary controls and
wealth controls in general. Hit them where they hurt. Screw the
politicians, they are bred to backstab. Focus the political ire on
corporate CEO's if you want to make the left pay attention.
Posted by: fairmedia at June 28, 2015 11:18 AM (lPdaT)
Yep. All these corporations. Tell the people in charge they can only make $100k a year the rest of the money will be redistributed to make it fair. We'll see how fast these multi-millionaire twats on Wall Street or Silicon Valley want to be so progressive when their money is taken. Or replace their white ass in the name of diversity.
something insipid, feckless, ball-less, richer than God Walmart CEO made
me think, that's the problem. That's the opportunity to slow this thing
down. The right should stand for Corporate CEO salary controls and
wealth controls in general. Hit them where they hurt. Screw the
politicians, they are bred to backstab. Focus the political ire on
corporate CEO's if you want to make the left pay attention.
Posted by: fairmedia at June 28, 2015 11:18 AM (lPdaT)
Yep. All these corporations. Tell the people in charge they can only make $100k a year the rest of the money will be redistributed to make it fair. We'll see how fast these multi-millionaire twats on Wall Street or Silicon Valley want to be so progressive when their money is taken. Or replace their white ass in the name of diversity.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2015 12:16 PM (DiZBp)
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As an immigrant it used to freak me out how friendly Americans are.
We drove through Tennessee once and my first impression was "crazy drivers"
We drove through Tennessee once and my first impression was "crazy drivers"
Posted by: @votermom at June 28, 2015 12:17 PM (cbfNE)
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The American South was Hicksville to them.
Posted by: eman at June 28, 2015 12:14 PM
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LOL.
When I told people in Boston I was moving to Houston, they had the same reaction.
Guess which city I preferred!
Posted by: eman at June 28, 2015 12:14 PM
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LOL.
When I told people in Boston I was moving to Houston, they had the same reaction.
Guess which city I preferred!
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 12:17 PM (RWGcK)
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Whatever happened to Cajun carrot
Posted by: ThunderB at June 28, 2015 12:18 PM (zOTsN)
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Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 12:16 PM (RWGcK)
French and Spanish royalty, or booze.....either one is pretty damned impressive.
French and Spanish royalty, or booze.....either one is pretty damned impressive.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 28, 2015 12:18 PM (Zu3d9)
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From Northern Illinois and very Midwestern. One of the saddest results
of the depression here is that Chicago even downtown is now a no-go
zone.
It's not that bad during the day. But like I tell people, consider parts of the city like a vampire movie. When the sun goes down get in doors.
From Northern Illinois and very Midwestern. One of the saddest results
of the depression here is that Chicago even downtown is now a no-go
zone.
It's not that bad during the day. But like I tell people, consider parts of the city like a vampire movie. When the sun goes down get in doors.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2015 12:18 PM (DiZBp)
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The American south was great until the Yankees from NJ and NY decided to civilize it. Pricks ruin everything they get involved in.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 28, 2015 12:18 PM (ucDmr)
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Speaking of squirrels, saw several white squirrels in Kentucky. Really cool!
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 12:13 PM (RWGcK
Hah. You were in Mammoth Cave region!
Yes, more accurately there are three Kentucky's. Louisville is a island, with Southern Indiana being more like middle and West Kentucky.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 12:13 PM (RWGcK
Hah. You were in Mammoth Cave region!
Yes, more accurately there are three Kentucky's. Louisville is a island, with Southern Indiana being more like middle and West Kentucky.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at June 28, 2015 12:18 PM (rCjdK)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 12:19 PM (pCePB)
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"The Cajun culture is very significant and strong in a lot of places, and New Orleans has never struck me as even being 100 percent American, even though it's very Southern in a lot of ways. "
Louisiana is a world all its own. The company my husband works for is based out of Baton Rouge so we've been spending a lot of time out there lately. I joke that Louisiana is like Texas' crazy cousin, which is partially true, but man you get out in the bayou and it's another world.
Louisiana is a world all its own. The company my husband works for is based out of Baton Rouge so we've been spending a lot of time out there lately. I joke that Louisiana is like Texas' crazy cousin, which is partially true, but man you get out in the bayou and it's another world.
Posted by: lauren at June 28, 2015 12:19 PM (MYCIw)
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Texas is the southernmost midwestern state. People have a midwestern work ethic and the plumbing and electricity all work the way they are supposed to.
Texas is also the easternmost western state and westernmost southern state. People have often described Washington as a combination of southern efficiency and northern charm. Texas is the opposite of that.
Texas is also the easternmost western state and westernmost southern state. People have often described Washington as a combination of southern efficiency and northern charm. Texas is the opposite of that.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 28, 2015 12:20 PM (QHgTq)
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Well yea Vic Maconcongo as we call it has places to avoid but I meant the general Mid Ga area including Dublin. There is still plenty of Southern " culture" left around here.
For example this morning I've been mud racing. Yesterday was red clay dust racing.
For example this morning I've been mud racing. Yesterday was red clay dust racing.
Posted by: freaked at June 28, 2015 12:20 PM (XaJ3Z)
Posted by: HH at June 28, 2015 12:20 PM (Qia1Z)
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Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 28, 2015 12:18 PM (ucDmr)
That's such a sweet sentiment....bless your heart!
That's such a sweet sentiment....bless your heart!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 28, 2015 12:21 PM (Zu3d9)
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"186 Houston is like the bastard child of Texas and Cajun "
Haha, that I can definitely see. Beaumont too.
The funniest thing about driving home from Louisiana are all those depressing billboards from some car lot that say, essentially, "Lost it all in LA? Sell us your car!" I mean, dude.
Haha, that I can definitely see. Beaumont too.
The funniest thing about driving home from Louisiana are all those depressing billboards from some car lot that say, essentially, "Lost it all in LA? Sell us your car!" I mean, dude.
Posted by: lauren at June 28, 2015 12:22 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Ace's liver at June 28, 2015 12:22 PM (+azJs)
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202 Bless yours to my friend.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 28, 2015 12:22 PM (ucDmr)
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I live in western Washington by Olympic National Park. Beyond irritating to be lumped in politically with Puget Sounders. Even Seattle has its conservative districts, like Ballard, Scandinavian extraction fishermen for a good part that head up to Alaska every season.The area where the landslide happened (Darrington-Oso)last year is "Little North Carolina" where just about everyone originated in west N.C. and moved to live in the woods and mountains similar to old Jackson county. My area is probably as economically depressed as Appalachia, loggers have been at war with the urban part of the state for decades. Urban vs. rural as other posters have mentioned, even in states like California.
The east to me starts at the east border of Montana, where it seems endless cornfields begin, all the way to the Alleghenies. And to a Northwest Coaster, the heat and humidity are intolerable. Stereotypes I guess I'm vulnerable to them too. Can't imagine living in an area without great forests and mountains, rain doesn't bother me but snow does.
The east to me starts at the east border of Montana, where it seems endless cornfields begin, all the way to the Alleghenies. And to a Northwest Coaster, the heat and humidity are intolerable. Stereotypes I guess I'm vulnerable to them too. Can't imagine living in an area without great forests and mountains, rain doesn't bother me but snow does.
Posted by: JHW at June 28, 2015 12:23 PM (w+zdY)
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Living in Ohio, I have spent many hours traveling in Kentucky.
Lexington (where one of my sisters used to live) is a charming (rich) town, surrounded by horse farms. Keeneland (horse track) only is open in April and October. In April, you will see a lot of the top three year olds that will run in the Triple Crown races. They walk the horses around prior to a race, and you can see them up close (close enough to touch them, but don't do that).
Having said that, Lexington is the most untypical part of Kentucky, because it has a lot of money (UK is there). A really pretty state, and full of very friendly, kind and soft-spoken people. When people drawl a little and talk slowly, doesn't mean they are stupid, although parts of Kentucky are somewhat poor and depressed, and seemingly always have been.
My older sister and her husband live across the Ohio River from Maysville, which is a little more typical of Kentucky. Life is a little slower there.
Lexington (where one of my sisters used to live) is a charming (rich) town, surrounded by horse farms. Keeneland (horse track) only is open in April and October. In April, you will see a lot of the top three year olds that will run in the Triple Crown races. They walk the horses around prior to a race, and you can see them up close (close enough to touch them, but don't do that).
Having said that, Lexington is the most untypical part of Kentucky, because it has a lot of money (UK is there). A really pretty state, and full of very friendly, kind and soft-spoken people. When people drawl a little and talk slowly, doesn't mean they are stupid, although parts of Kentucky are somewhat poor and depressed, and seemingly always have been.
My older sister and her husband live across the Ohio River from Maysville, which is a little more typical of Kentucky. Life is a little slower there.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at June 28, 2015 12:24 PM (+1T7c)
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There are parts of Texas that feel very true detective.
Posted by: ThunderB at June 28, 2015 12:24 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at June 28, 2015 12:24 PM (rCjdK)
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Have also been to Kingdom Come....and back!
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at June 28, 2015 12:25 PM (rCjdK)
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>>Avoid Seattle, the Mos Eisley of Washington State.
I always thought Spokane was more of a dump.
I always thought Spokane was more of a dump.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 28, 2015 12:25 PM (TF10X)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 28, 2015 12:26 PM (pCePB)
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"The American South was Hicksville to them."
Be sure to tell the inquisitive Yankees and furinners that we're all toothless, ignorant, cousin-humpin', banjo-playing, pig-squealin' rednecks who'd just as soon capture your wimmin' and chillun' into barn slavery as look at you.
And the food sux too.
And that the Dukes of Hazzard and Hee Haw are documentaries.
Go, spread the word.
Be sure to tell the inquisitive Yankees and furinners that we're all toothless, ignorant, cousin-humpin', banjo-playing, pig-squealin' rednecks who'd just as soon capture your wimmin' and chillun' into barn slavery as look at you.
And the food sux too.
And that the Dukes of Hazzard and Hee Haw are documentaries.
Go, spread the word.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 28, 2015 12:26 PM (eEb+d)
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Of course I wasn't in houston pre Katrina. But I think it had a big Cajun influence then too
Posted by: ThunderB at June 28, 2015 12:26 PM (zOTsN)
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Shenneka Williams at June 28, 2015 12:23 PM (JG47A)
Ha! Fake black trolls using racist stereotypes are always the funniest and freshest kind of humor.
Ha! Fake black trolls using racist stereotypes are always the funniest and freshest kind of humor.
Posted by: Old Hob at June 28, 2015 12:26 PM (Z+7WE)
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@160 Time to get everybody in one room and start yelling.
Sy Liebergot to the white courtesy phone, please. John Aaron to the white courtesy phone, please.
Sy Liebergot to the white courtesy phone, please. John Aaron to the white courtesy phone, please.
Posted by: Agent-J at June 28, 2015 12:27 PM (ueOgE)
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Anyone been to the Lost Sea in Tennessee.
Quite impressive.
Quite impressive.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 28, 2015 12:27 PM (TF10X)
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"People in Maryland like to tell you that they are
the south because of the Madison Dixon line. I have never met a true
southerner who agrees.
Posted by: Lea at June 28, 2015 12:07 PM (vmMMi)"
Probably because they put sugar on their porridge.
the south because of the Madison Dixon line. I have never met a true
southerner who agrees.
Posted by: Lea at June 28, 2015 12:07 PM (vmMMi)"
Probably because they put sugar on their porridge.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 28, 2015 12:27 PM (QHgTq)
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New Orleans is (and was always) a very polyglot city. Having visited there recently I think I could live there, easily.
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at June 28, 2015 12:27 PM (JgC5a)
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The thing with Texas, and I'm gonna get flamed for this, but WTF, it's been one of those weeks.
If you folks down there don't do something about Austin, and build your own friggin' fence and stare down the Feds when they come to tear it down, TX will be blue in 20 years.
If you folks down there don't do something about Austin, and build your own friggin' fence and stare down the Feds when they come to tear it down, TX will be blue in 20 years.
Posted by: Agent-J at June 28, 2015 12:28 PM (ueOgE)
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Not mention the food in New Orleans is so damn good. Some of the best meals I ever had in my extensive life were there.
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at June 28, 2015 12:29 PM (JgC5a)
222
Is scrapple purely southern? Or just east?
Posted by: ThunderB at June 28, 2015 12:29 PM (zOTsN)
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Posted by: lauren at June 28, 2015 12:19 PM (MYCIw)
Exactly! One of my Daddy's sisters married into a Cajun family and I love the culture dearly, but is very distinct.
Exactly! One of my Daddy's sisters married into a Cajun family and I love the culture dearly, but is very distinct.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 12:29 PM (BVDFs)
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Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 28, 2015 12:27 PM (QHgTq)
I'll never understand that.
Butter and salt for the win!
I'll never understand that.
Butter and salt for the win!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 28, 2015 12:29 PM (Zu3d9)
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What scares me about the South and Texas is the ... heat (and tornados).
Any place that is Southern in sensibilities and values but has mild weather?
Any place that is Southern in sensibilities and values but has mild weather?
Posted by: @votermom at June 28, 2015 12:29 PM (cbfNE)
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Bad weather keeps the riff raff out
Posted by: ThunderB at June 28, 2015 12:30 PM (zOTsN)
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Posted by: Thor's feather duster at June 28, 2015 12:29 PM (JgC5a)
And the waiters know what they are doing. It is still considered a profession.
And the waiters know what they are doing. It is still considered a profession.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 28, 2015 12:31 PM (Zu3d9)
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Go, spread the word.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 28, 2015 12:26 PM (eEb+d)
Exactly. And it's hot and full of bugs and snakes and most little towns don't even have Starbucks.
They should stay far, far, away.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 28, 2015 12:26 PM (eEb+d)
Exactly. And it's hot and full of bugs and snakes and most little towns don't even have Starbucks.
They should stay far, far, away.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 12:31 PM (BVDFs)
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Historic Day for Gays, but Twinge of Loss for an Outsider Culture
Now they're upset that they're mainstream. It's the kid who has everything who will never be happy with anything.
Now they're upset that they're mainstream. It's the kid who has everything who will never be happy with anything.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2015 12:32 PM (DiZBp)
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227 Bad weather keeps the riff raff out
Posted by: ThunderB at June 28, 2015 12:30 PM (zOTsN)
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*Looks at California.*
I take your point.
Posted by: ThunderB at June 28, 2015 12:30 PM (zOTsN)
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*Looks at California.*
I take your point.
Posted by: @votermom at June 28, 2015 12:32 PM (cbfNE)
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If bad weather doesn't drive the riff raff out of Texas, they've also got scorpions and snakes.
Posted by: Old Hob at June 28, 2015 12:32 PM (Z+7WE)
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223
Is scrapple purely southern? Or just east?
Posted by: ThunderB at June 28, 2015 12:29 PM (zOTsN)
Scrapple is "mid-Atlantic". I have never had it, even when living in MD.
Is scrapple purely southern? Or just east?
Posted by: ThunderB at June 28, 2015 12:29 PM (zOTsN)
Scrapple is "mid-Atlantic". I have never had it, even when living in MD.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 12:32 PM (GpgJl)
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229: Tammy, so true. Don't forget Subway.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 28, 2015 12:33 PM (ucDmr)
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Hicksville?
There actually is a Hicksville, Ohio.
North Carolina; my wife wants us to retire to NC. Nice place (outside of Raleigh Durham, and some of the other cities). Again, most of the people there are soft spoken and very friendly. (Nip Sip has me rethinking this plan, though
)
There actually is a Hicksville, Ohio.
North Carolina; my wife wants us to retire to NC. Nice place (outside of Raleigh Durham, and some of the other cities). Again, most of the people there are soft spoken and very friendly. (Nip Sip has me rethinking this plan, though
)Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at June 28, 2015 12:33 PM (+1T7c)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at June 28, 2015 12:33 PM (rCjdK)
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"The funniest thing about driving home from Louisiana
are all those depressing billboards from some car lot that say,
essentially, "Lost it all in LA? Sell us your car!" I mean, dude.
Posted by: lauren at June 28, 2015 12:22 PM (MYCIw)"
There is a certain directness on the billboards around Houston that I have not seen in other parts of the country. While there are billboards in other areas advertizing vasectomies, I have not seen billboards anywhere else posing the questions, "Pregnant? Don't know who is the father?" on an ad for a DNA testing service.
are all those depressing billboards from some car lot that say,
essentially, "Lost it all in LA? Sell us your car!" I mean, dude.
Posted by: lauren at June 28, 2015 12:22 PM (MYCIw)"
There is a certain directness on the billboards around Houston that I have not seen in other parts of the country. While there are billboards in other areas advertizing vasectomies, I have not seen billboards anywhere else posing the questions, "Pregnant? Don't know who is the father?" on an ad for a DNA testing service.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 28, 2015 12:33 PM (QHgTq)
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>>>223 Is scrapple purely southern? Or just east?
Posted by: ThunderB at June 28, 2015 12:29 PM (zOTsN)
Scrapple is mostly a Philly/South Jersey thing, but they do have liver mush down in North Carolina, which tastes almost identical to me.
Posted by: ThunderB at June 28, 2015 12:29 PM (zOTsN)
Scrapple is mostly a Philly/South Jersey thing, but they do have liver mush down in North Carolina, which tastes almost identical to me.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 28, 2015 12:34 PM (TF10X)
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@233 I've lived here about... what... 20 years now, and haven't been able to bring myself to eat it. It's probably very good, but the name is awfully unfortunate. I just have this vision of the bits hot dog manufacturers refuse to take being formed into a loaf...
Posted by: Agent-J at June 28, 2015 12:34 PM (ueOgE)
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Back in the mid-'90s, I found parts of Tennessee to really be to my liking. Beautiful country and the folks were awesome. Not sure how much that as changed, as I haven't been back since then.
By the way, you do a very nice job as a cob here at AoS, Y-not. Kudos.
Back in the mid-'90s, I found parts of Tennessee to really be to my liking. Beautiful country and the folks were awesome. Not sure how much that as changed, as I haven't been back since then.
By the way, you do a very nice job as a cob here at AoS, Y-not. Kudos.
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at June 28, 2015 12:34 PM (Dwehj)
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Bad weather keeps the riff raff out
Posted by: ThunderB at June 28, 2015 12:30 PM (zOTsN)
You've never been to Chicago
Posted by: ThunderB at June 28, 2015 12:30 PM (zOTsN)
You've never been to Chicago
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If bad weather doesn't drive the riff raff out of Texas, they've also got scorpions and snakes.
Posted by: Old Hob at June 28, 2015 12:32 PM (Z+7WE)"
And the armadillos have leprosy.
If bad weather doesn't drive the riff raff out of Texas, they've also got scorpions and snakes.
Posted by: Old Hob at June 28, 2015 12:32 PM (Z+7WE)"
And the armadillos have leprosy.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 28, 2015 12:35 PM (QHgTq)
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Agree with the commenter that said 'Austin was done in 1981.' Austin lost its 'small town charm,' now it's just overcrowded and full of west coast loons.
Houston isn't really Texan at all, in fact, it seems like very few Texans live there. Lots of folks from south of the border and yankee transplants. Avoid Houston if you can.
The DFW region is changing too...into what I'm not exactly sure.
Small town Texas is where it's at. As for overall southern charm, I really like those small Mississippi towns. Classic and enjoyable.
And finally, the comment about 'assless chaps.' If they weren't 'assless,' we'd call them pants.
Houston isn't really Texan at all, in fact, it seems like very few Texans live there. Lots of folks from south of the border and yankee transplants. Avoid Houston if you can.
The DFW region is changing too...into what I'm not exactly sure.
Small town Texas is where it's at. As for overall southern charm, I really like those small Mississippi towns. Classic and enjoyable.
And finally, the comment about 'assless chaps.' If they weren't 'assless,' we'd call them pants.
Posted by: Ramon from Texas at June 28, 2015 12:35 PM (hRytD)
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Riff raff also follow benefits, even more than good weather
Posted by: ThunderB at June 28, 2015 12:36 PM (zOTsN)
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Oh yeah, also driving through Tennessee the mountains were so beautiful to look at.
Posted by: @votermom at June 28, 2015 12:36 PM (cbfNE)
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While there are billboards in other areas
advertizing vasectomies, I have not seen billboards anywhere else posing
the questions, "Pregnant? Don't know who is the father?" on an ad for a
DNA testing service.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole
Oh, I saw those years ago in suburban Chicago. Surprised me when I first saw them too. I think it was 1997.
advertizing vasectomies, I have not seen billboards anywhere else posing
the questions, "Pregnant? Don't know who is the father?" on an ad for a
DNA testing service.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole
Oh, I saw those years ago in suburban Chicago. Surprised me when I first saw them too. I think it was 1997.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....outlaw in America at June 28, 2015 12:36 PM (+1T7c)
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Posted by: @votermom at June 28, 2015 12:29 PM (cbfNE)
The mountains are usually cooler. Also less inclined to tornadic activity. But the Yankees are moving in fast.
The mountains are usually cooler. Also less inclined to tornadic activity. But the Yankees are moving in fast.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 12:37 PM (BVDFs)
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And finally, the comment about 'assless chaps.' If they weren't 'assless,' we'd call them pants.
Finally! Someone answered my question!
Finally! Someone answered my question!
Posted by: Miss Teen U.S. America at June 28, 2015 12:37 PM (Dwehj)
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"If you folks down there don't do something about Austin, and build your own friggin' fence and stare down the Feds when they come to tear it down, TX will be blue in 20 years."
I think it's inevitable. People from blue states are flooding to Texas for the jobs, and the first thing they do when they get there is vote for the same blue state policies that turned their former homes into an economic wasteland.
I think it's inevitable. People from blue states are flooding to Texas for the jobs, and the first thing they do when they get there is vote for the same blue state policies that turned their former homes into an economic wasteland.
Posted by: Ace's liver at June 28, 2015 12:37 PM (+azJs)
Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2015 12:39 PM (2LVOe)
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>>Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at June 28, 2015 12:34 PM
Thank you!
The "Lost Sea" sounds interesting. World's second largest underground lake.
Thank you!
The "Lost Sea" sounds interesting. World's second largest underground lake.
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Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 28, 2015 12:33 PM (ucDmr)
The transportation device or the food chain?
The transportation device or the food chain?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 12:39 PM (BVDFs)
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Brit Buzzfeed's southern Alaska: "Sarah Palin"
In their heads from coast to coast and around the world LOL
In their heads from coast to coast and around the world LOL
Posted by: mrp at June 28, 2015 12:40 PM (JBggj)
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when they get there is vote for the same blue state policies that turned their former homes into an economic wasteland
The true definition of insanity: making the same fk'up over and over again, each time expecting a different result.
The true definition of insanity: making the same fk'up over and over again, each time expecting a different result.
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at June 28, 2015 12:40 PM (Dwehj)
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when they get there is vote for the same blue state policies that turned their former homes into an economic wasteland
The true definition of insanity: making the same fk'up over and over again, each time expecting a different result.
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at June 28, 2015 12:40 PM (Dwehj)
But it's always someone else but them who is to blame for the failures.
The true definition of insanity: making the same fk'up over and over again, each time expecting a different result.
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at June 28, 2015 12:40 PM (Dwehj)
But it's always someone else but them who is to blame for the failures.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2015 12:42 PM (DiZBp)
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Scrapple was introduced into my life by a college roomie from Philly. It did not earn a permanent place in my life, however.
Y-not, perhaps addressed above, but what happened to you in CA? At least until fairly recently - and of course less so in the big cities - there was indeed a very real friendliness and informality to most people. Not all that different from lots of the West, really.
I've found people pretty friendly - with varying styles - pretty much everywhere in the US.
Even in CA, there is a pronounced "small town" effect. This phenomenon is based on the demeanor, apparent competence, and politeness of service personnel dealing with customers. In smaller towns, spouse and I have been struck by the very apparent difference from most service situations in the urban/suburban areas.
One confounding, or perhaps illuminating, exception is the teenage help at In-N-Out Burgers and Chick-fil-A.A typically unusually nice customer experience at a chain hotel in central coast CA is the norm at one of these restaurants, even in the midst of SoCal sprawl. Almost jarring, sometimes. Which only confirms that civilization can be made anywhere, with effort, and both chains are known for their fairly picky hiring practices.
Scrapple was introduced into my life by a college roomie from Philly. It did not earn a permanent place in my life, however.
Y-not, perhaps addressed above, but what happened to you in CA? At least until fairly recently - and of course less so in the big cities - there was indeed a very real friendliness and informality to most people. Not all that different from lots of the West, really.
I've found people pretty friendly - with varying styles - pretty much everywhere in the US.
Even in CA, there is a pronounced "small town" effect. This phenomenon is based on the demeanor, apparent competence, and politeness of service personnel dealing with customers. In smaller towns, spouse and I have been struck by the very apparent difference from most service situations in the urban/suburban areas.
One confounding, or perhaps illuminating, exception is the teenage help at In-N-Out Burgers and Chick-fil-A.A typically unusually nice customer experience at a chain hotel in central coast CA is the norm at one of these restaurants, even in the midst of SoCal sprawl. Almost jarring, sometimes. Which only confirms that civilization can be made anywhere, with effort, and both chains are known for their fairly picky hiring practices.
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251: Food chain. just bad. every one of them smells the same. Like you are in a hospital in a room waiting for a loved one to die. Just bad. Depressing even.
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Wifey wants to go to Lake George. We're not hikers, just like water and
quiet and mildly touristy stuff. And a clean place to stay.
Does anyone have any info/recommendations/suggestions? Thanks.
Mega,
We spent a couple days in Lake George 2 years ago. It was okay, really crowded, but tough to get away from folks. So we went about 30 miles up the northway to Schroon Lake. Aaaaah. Very nice. Much smaller, slower pace, friendly people. We rented a cabin, stayed for 5 nights and had a blast. The lake is a good size, and the area had some nice feeder rivers/creeks for kayaking.
FWIW.
Wifey wants to go to Lake George. We're not hikers, just like water and
quiet and mildly touristy stuff. And a clean place to stay.
Does anyone have any info/recommendations/suggestions? Thanks.
Mega,
We spent a couple days in Lake George 2 years ago. It was okay, really crowded, but tough to get away from folks. So we went about 30 miles up the northway to Schroon Lake. Aaaaah. Very nice. Much smaller, slower pace, friendly people. We rented a cabin, stayed for 5 nights and had a blast. The lake is a good size, and the area had some nice feeder rivers/creeks for kayaking.
FWIW.
Posted by: Ramon from Texas at June 28, 2015 12:43 PM (hRytD)
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"The true definition of insanity: making the same fk'up over and over again, each time expecting a different result. "
The problem is they take the locals down with 'em.
The problem is they take the locals down with 'em.
Posted by: Ace's liver at June 28, 2015 12:44 PM (+azJs)
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when they get there is vote for the same blue state policies that turned their former homes into an economic wasteland
The true definition of insanity: making the same fk'up over and over again, each time expecting a different result.
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at June 28, 2015 12:40 PM (Dwehj)
And it always starts off as something reasonable enough, like trash service. Then it's city water, they don't like being on a well. Then they want sidewalks.
None of these things are bad, but it always snowballs and then 10 years later they're bitching about how their taxes have gone up.
The true definition of insanity: making the same fk'up over and over again, each time expecting a different result.
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at June 28, 2015 12:40 PM (Dwehj)
And it always starts off as something reasonable enough, like trash service. Then it's city water, they don't like being on a well. Then they want sidewalks.
None of these things are bad, but it always snowballs and then 10 years later they're bitching about how their taxes have gone up.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 12:44 PM (BVDFs)
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When it comes to stereotypes, I guess mine aren't very well formed. Whenever I go elsewhere in the country, I just sorta see people. Which isn't as trite as it sounds, but anyhoo...
Stereotypes about St. Louis? One of the biggest is the matter of race, and how divided we are. Sad to say, it's mostly true.
What they don't tell you though, is it's primarily the black residents of the area who have created the worst of the racial divide and tension. You all probably know this, but generally speaking I think most of the country sees St. Louis as some sort of bastion of white racism.
Alas, I think we're going to have to live with that myth.
Stereotypes about St. Louis? One of the biggest is the matter of race, and how divided we are. Sad to say, it's mostly true.
What they don't tell you though, is it's primarily the black residents of the area who have created the worst of the racial divide and tension. You all probably know this, but generally speaking I think most of the country sees St. Louis as some sort of bastion of white racism.
Alas, I think we're going to have to live with that myth.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 28, 2015 12:45 PM (Dj0WE)
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Grew up in HB, SoCal. Planning a trip back in December with Dad. We are going to go to the Reagan Library. Neither of us has been and are looking forward to it.
Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2015 12:46 PM (2LVOe)
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259: Don't forget about bicycle lanes. The scourge of every college town in the midwest. They rule the roads and sidewalks around here.
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As I have mentioned before, there is a huuuuuge difference between very cold climates and warmer ones. Midwesterners do not like being thanked, there is just a hand if necessary. Cold is much more dangerous to life than heat, so my own theory is that the semi-socialist attitudes of the northern states is a direct result of the weather. When 8 months of the year the weather (maybe all 12 if tornadoes are factored in as well) is a direct threat, it has an effect on community attitudes. Saddest things for my rescue friends is winter -- even checking in regularly, the number of people who freeze to death is very high. Freezing and starvation are different in the north and not something that people in less harsh climates can even imagine or understand.
Posted by: mustbequantum at June 28, 2015 12:48 PM (MIKMs)
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Yes, a home in the mountains of Western NC or NW SC would be cooler in the summer but those areas have become very pricy if they have services.
My wife and MIL went up to NC to visit a home built on one of those "home building TV shows". Beautiful place, large home and grounds. Gorgeous nature views on the mountain.
Now the "bad":
Dirt road up and down the mountain, bad news in the Winter when it snows or Summer when it rains.
No electricity; would cost a fortune to have a utility run power up the mountain. So pay the money or use a generator which would be a PITA.
Don't know what they were doing for water 'cause wifey didn't ask. But I can see that may be a problem up on a mountain.
And even with all that the asking price for the house and land was about half a million.
My wife and MIL went up to NC to visit a home built on one of those "home building TV shows". Beautiful place, large home and grounds. Gorgeous nature views on the mountain.
Now the "bad":
Dirt road up and down the mountain, bad news in the Winter when it snows or Summer when it rains.
No electricity; would cost a fortune to have a utility run power up the mountain. So pay the money or use a generator which would be a PITA.
Don't know what they were doing for water 'cause wifey didn't ask. But I can see that may be a problem up on a mountain.
And even with all that the asking price for the house and land was about half a million.
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Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2015 12:42 PM (QDnY+)
Chik Fil A trains them very specifically on how they are expected to treat customers. Not sure about I-n-O, but the niceness of the employees at Chik Fil A is no mere fluke.
I loved in SoCal for almost thirty years and found everyone to be very pleasant, all in all. Laid back is a good word to describe it. I lived in Orange County, though and fairly close to the beach, which is definitely more laid back than further inland.
Chik Fil A trains them very specifically on how they are expected to treat customers. Not sure about I-n-O, but the niceness of the employees at Chik Fil A is no mere fluke.
I loved in SoCal for almost thirty years and found everyone to be very pleasant, all in all. Laid back is a good word to describe it. I lived in Orange County, though and fairly close to the beach, which is definitely more laid back than further inland.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 12:49 PM (BVDFs)
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My people were Texicans that spread north into Oklahoma and then Kansas, subsequently interbred wit da Swedes in da covered wagoons, yoop.
So my preconceptions are that the rest of you talk funny...
So my preconceptions are that the rest of you talk funny...
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Posted by: BurtTC at June 28, 2015 12:45 PM (Dj0WE)
Ace writes frequently about "tribalism," and it is responsible for a lot (most?) of the self segregation in America and, probably, the world.
I see nothing wrong with people who want to live around similar folks. I see nothing particularly good about it either. It's a part of the human condition, and as long as it isn't codified in law, I will accept it.
Ace writes frequently about "tribalism," and it is responsible for a lot (most?) of the self segregation in America and, probably, the world.
I see nothing wrong with people who want to live around similar folks. I see nothing particularly good about it either. It's a part of the human condition, and as long as it isn't codified in law, I will accept it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 28, 2015 12:49 PM (Zu3d9)
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Of course I wasn't in houston pre Katrina. But I think it had a big Cajun influence then too
Posted by: ThunderB at June 28, 2015 12:26 PM (zOTsN)
Why do you think that?
Posted by: ThunderB at June 28, 2015 12:26 PM (zOTsN)
Why do you think that?
Posted by: Velvet Ambition greatest thing since before sliced bread at June 28, 2015 12:49 PM (R8hU8)
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Lafayette LA for the essence of the deep South.
Posted by: Pink freud at June 28, 2015 12:50 PM (Ro0c4)
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Don't forget about bicycle lanes. The scourge of
every college town in the midwest. They rule the roads and sidewalks
around here.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 28, 2015 12:47 PM (ucDmr)
Chicago must be a college town. Every G-D road has bike lanes and the hippy shits are always out during rush hour traffic taking up a lane of traffic and completely backing up already rotten traffic.
every college town in the midwest. They rule the roads and sidewalks
around here.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 28, 2015 12:47 PM (ucDmr)
Chicago must be a college town. Every G-D road has bike lanes and the hippy shits are always out during rush hour traffic taking up a lane of traffic and completely backing up already rotten traffic.
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Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2015 12:46 PM (2LVOe)
I lived there for many years! How long has it been since you've been back?
I lived there for many years! How long has it been since you've been back?
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259: Don't forget about bicycle lanes. The scourge of every college town
in the midwest. They rule the roads and sidewalks around here.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 28, 2015 12:47 PM (ucDmr)
Not just the midwest. We have them here too now.
259: Don't forget about bicycle lanes. The scourge of every college town
in the midwest. They rule the roads and sidewalks around here.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 28, 2015 12:47 PM (ucDmr)
Not just the midwest. We have them here too now.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 12:51 PM (GpgJl)
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osted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 28, 2015 12:42 PM (ucDmr)
LOL, ours here seems fine, but now you'll have me looking at it differently the next time we go!
LOL, ours here seems fine, but now you'll have me looking at it differently the next time we go!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 12:52 PM (BVDFs)
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I would say downtown Chicago is safe during the day, especially the Loop, the lake front, River North, and the touristy destinations. When I work late I'm a little more cautious, I guess, but I'm rarely actively afraid.
The South Loop and near south of the city are undergoing a huge regentrification right now and there are some really cool bars and restaurants starting up that way.
I must have a friendly face, because I always get asked for help and directions (personal best: three times during one
lunch hour). I love Chicago as a city and I want people to see it that nice, normal people do live here. The city has so much beauty In It. I hate the reputation that Chicago has now.
The South Loop and near south of the city are undergoing a huge regentrification right now and there are some really cool bars and restaurants starting up that way.
I must have a friendly face, because I always get asked for help and directions (personal best: three times during one
lunch hour). I love Chicago as a city and I want people to see it that nice, normal people do live here. The city has so much beauty In It. I hate the reputation that Chicago has now.
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Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 12:51 PM (GpgJl)
Bloomberg pushed bike lanes in NYC, and coupled with the "CitiBike" program, which takes up whole lanes for the rental racks, NYC traffic has become a nightmare.
All for the benefit of a few thousand bike riders in a city with a fantastic public transportation system.
Bloomberg pushed bike lanes in NYC, and coupled with the "CitiBike" program, which takes up whole lanes for the rental racks, NYC traffic has become a nightmare.
All for the benefit of a few thousand bike riders in a city with a fantastic public transportation system.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 28, 2015 12:54 PM (Zu3d9)
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I went to lake George with a friend in the late 90s and we stayed at a campground trailer outside of town. It's a pretty town but I was freeloading on her parents so I don't know anything about arrangements.
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Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 12:49 PM (GpgJl)
And here I thought you was a country boy! Look at you wanting all the modern conveniences.
Thor and I looked around Lake Lure many moons ago; I never thought to ask if the houses had electric!
And here I thought you was a country boy! Look at you wanting all the modern conveniences.
Thor and I looked around Lake Lure many moons ago; I never thought to ask if the houses had electric!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 12:55 PM (BVDFs)
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OT - Go to Insty and follow the link to the BBC video of Falcon 9 launch. Pause at the moment things go wrong. I do not like what I see. I won't say more now, but see my previous thread comment.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 28, 2015 12:55 PM (c41Rr)
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Vic, you have my sympathy, the circle is complete. The smug assholes are everywhere. Every time I see one I can't help but think Cahalres Jhosnson.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 28, 2015 12:55 PM (ucDmr)
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Ace writes frequently about "tribalism," and it is responsible for a lot (most?) of the self segregation in America and, probably, the world.
I see nothing wrong with people who want to live around similar folks. I see nothing particularly good about it either. It's a part of the human condition, and as long as it isn't codified in law, I will accept it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 28, 2015 12:49 PM (Zu3d9)
It may be an oversimplification, but St. Louis was one of those areas that, when the common belief was "separate but equal," had a thriving black community, with leaders who saw to it that "their area" was policed in every sense of the word.
As we know, the rise of the civil rights era, along with the war on poverty created circumstances that forced many institutions to change. Including most of the black business areas that thrived in that supposedly more racist era.
So now great swaths of St. Louis are blighted, and will remain so. At least until the forced desegregation makes people live where they would not otherwise choose to live.
I don't mean to turn this into a long rant, because yeah, everyone here pretty much understands this already. I just wanted to point out, St. Louis is sort of a "stereotypical" (see what I did there?) example of how not to do race relations from the top down.
I see nothing wrong with people who want to live around similar folks. I see nothing particularly good about it either. It's a part of the human condition, and as long as it isn't codified in law, I will accept it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 28, 2015 12:49 PM (Zu3d9)
It may be an oversimplification, but St. Louis was one of those areas that, when the common belief was "separate but equal," had a thriving black community, with leaders who saw to it that "their area" was policed in every sense of the word.
As we know, the rise of the civil rights era, along with the war on poverty created circumstances that forced many institutions to change. Including most of the black business areas that thrived in that supposedly more racist era.
So now great swaths of St. Louis are blighted, and will remain so. At least until the forced desegregation makes people live where they would not otherwise choose to live.
I don't mean to turn this into a long rant, because yeah, everyone here pretty much understands this already. I just wanted to point out, St. Louis is sort of a "stereotypical" (see what I did there?) example of how not to do race relations from the top down.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 28, 2015 12:56 PM (Dj0WE)
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Bikes don't bother me much EXCEPT for the creeps in the silly shorts and gear -- they do mass rides like motorcycles, but at an excruciatingly slow pace for regular car traffic. Kids and tractors are fine for me, but those self-righteous kitted-out fashionistas make me nuts.
Posted by: mustbequantum at June 28, 2015 12:57 PM (MIKMs)
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Vic, you have my sympathy, the circle is complete. The smug assholes are
everywhere. Every time I see one I can't help but think Cahalres
Jhosnson.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 28, 2015 12:55 PM (ucDmr)
I think that was a federal initiative back when the choom first got in office. It farmed out some of that "stimulus" money to cities for green crap if the city put up matching funds.
Vic, you have my sympathy, the circle is complete. The smug assholes are
everywhere. Every time I see one I can't help but think Cahalres
Jhosnson.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 28, 2015 12:55 PM (ucDmr)
I think that was a federal initiative back when the choom first got in office. It farmed out some of that "stimulus" money to cities for green crap if the city put up matching funds.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 12:57 PM (GpgJl)
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275: You will get a better sub at your local grocery deli or dive bar. Or, just make your own. That's what I do.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 28, 2015 12:57 PM (ucDmr)
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Hi Tammy! We left in 75 to move to CO. I went back in 78 and other years. Last time I visited was 05. Aunt Barb took me down to the beach for a walk. Drove by the desalination plant and walked on the beach. Somehow, the rigs off shore gave me lots of comfort.
Uncle B and Aunt B still live in the house they bought in 62. Folks bought a house in 62 only a few block away.
Uncle B and Aunt B still live in the house they bought in 62. Folks bought a house in 62 only a few block away.
Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2015 12:58 PM (2LVOe)
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279 And here I thought you was a country boy! Look at you wanting all the modern conveniences.
Thor and I looked around Lake Lure many moons ago; I never thought to ask if the houses had electric!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 12:55 PM (BVDFs)
Yeah, who needs flush toilets and electricity when an outhouse and kerosene lamps will do.
Thor and I looked around Lake Lure many moons ago; I never thought to ask if the houses had electric!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 12:55 PM (BVDFs)
Yeah, who needs flush toilets and electricity when an outhouse and kerosene lamps will do.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 12:58 PM (GpgJl)
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*sigh* i just want Sotomayor to like me. Some days i fantasize about going full on Dolezal/Jenner. There's never been a black woman on SCOTUS, and i feel like i'm her.
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Wow Tammy almost 30 years in SoCal? Didn't know it was that long.
But I don't think the "laid back" ends when you pass the first few inland mountain ranges away from the beach. Though the culture quickly starts to resemble rural/western culture that extends - spitballing here - from CA to eastern CO. Talking about areas not changed by resort/development/etc., like Palm Desert or some such. Culture AND politics. Dunno if it's still true, but til recently there were exotic creatures known as conservative Democrats in the CA legislature, all from rural areas, whose votes on big thing (guns, for example) were solidly non-moonbat. VDH could talk in detail about this.
Wow Tammy almost 30 years in SoCal? Didn't know it was that long.
But I don't think the "laid back" ends when you pass the first few inland mountain ranges away from the beach. Though the culture quickly starts to resemble rural/western culture that extends - spitballing here - from CA to eastern CO. Talking about areas not changed by resort/development/etc., like Palm Desert or some such. Culture AND politics. Dunno if it's still true, but til recently there were exotic creatures known as conservative Democrats in the CA legislature, all from rural areas, whose votes on big thing (guns, for example) were solidly non-moonbat. VDH could talk in detail about this.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2015 12:59 PM (QDnY+)
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Netflix is airing a 10 part series called Narco in August. It's about the hunt for Escobar. Shd be good. Lord knows the real story was exciting enough.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 28, 2015 01:00 PM (iQIUe)
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To deny that I'm a woman is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and that WILL get you executed, sucka.
Posted by: Chief Justice Joan Robertas at June 28, 2015 01:01 PM (F1Z8f)
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I visited Charleston about 5yrs ago and really, really liked it. Stayed on the Isle of Palms but visited the city almost every day. Ton's of stuff to see and do, plus the architecture of the old city is like block after block of the French Quarter in New Orleans.
Only bad thing is it was in August. Man, some days were very, very humid.
Only bad thing is it was in August. Man, some days were very, very humid.
Posted by: HH at June 28, 2015 01:01 PM (Qia1Z)
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Chicago must be a college town. Every G-D road has bike lanes and the hippy shits are always out during rush hour traffic taking up a lane of traffic and completely backing up already rotten traffic.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2015 12:50 PM (DiZBp)
I would assume Chicago has an overabundance of bike paths for one of two reasons (or both): 1. Some alderman's brother in law holds the contract to paint bike paths in the city. Or 2. So many drunks have suspended licenses, bikes are an absolute necessity.
There... how's that for stereotyping.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2015 12:50 PM (DiZBp)
I would assume Chicago has an overabundance of bike paths for one of two reasons (or both): 1. Some alderman's brother in law holds the contract to paint bike paths in the city. Or 2. So many drunks have suspended licenses, bikes are an absolute necessity.
There... how's that for stereotyping.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 28, 2015 01:01 PM (Dj0WE)
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It farmed out some of that "stimulus" money to cities for green crap if the city put up matching funds.
That's what happened in my community. Tore up the main thoroughfares and put in bike lanes. And guess what? Nobody is using them.
That's what happened in my community. Tore up the main thoroughfares and put in bike lanes. And guess what? Nobody is using them.
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at June 28, 2015 01:02 PM (Dwehj)
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So Greek Banks will be Closed until after the vote because they ran out of Emergency funds from the EU.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 28, 2015 01:03 PM (CxEX+)
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294 Ditto here. And now they are building round-a-bouts everywhere. It really sucks!
Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2015 01:05 PM (2LVOe)
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One issue that doesn't get discussed about desegregation is that in many places, the black upper middle class disappeared almost immediately....black folks could suddenly go to white doctors, lawyers, etc, and didn't want to go to the black ones any more.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 01:05 PM (BVDFs)
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See Rock City.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 28, 2015 01:05 PM (eEb+d)
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at June 28, 2015 01:06 PM (Dwehj)
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Tell us about where you live(d).
I've lived in 17 places, man and boy, on both coasts, Hawaii, and the Midwest in this country, in Europe for many years and briefly in Japan.
Which stereotypes are true?
All of them.
On a statistical basis, not a categorical one. That is to say stereotypes are not true of every individual, but the stereotype is more likely to be true of a member of that population than it is of another, reference population.
To see this, swap two stereotypes, and see how risible the result is. For example, say Bostonians* are known for their courtesy and slow-paced lifestyle, while Southerners are rude, brusque, and typically in a hurry.
Or people from the upper Midwest are licentious "anything goes" party animals, quite different from the boring, sober, "early to bed early to rise" staid Angelenos.
Ridiculous, yes?
* who are rude as hell, in my experience living there, where to my
amazement the gentlemen routinely pushed their way onto the bus before
the ladies, who pushed their way on before the elderly and infirm
I've lived in 17 places, man and boy, on both coasts, Hawaii, and the Midwest in this country, in Europe for many years and briefly in Japan.
Which stereotypes are true?
All of them.
On a statistical basis, not a categorical one. That is to say stereotypes are not true of every individual, but the stereotype is more likely to be true of a member of that population than it is of another, reference population.
To see this, swap two stereotypes, and see how risible the result is. For example, say Bostonians* are known for their courtesy and slow-paced lifestyle, while Southerners are rude, brusque, and typically in a hurry.
Or people from the upper Midwest are licentious "anything goes" party animals, quite different from the boring, sober, "early to bed early to rise" staid Angelenos.
Ridiculous, yes?
* who are rude as hell, in my experience living there, where to my
amazement the gentlemen routinely pushed their way onto the bus before
the ladies, who pushed their way on before the elderly and infirm
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 28, 2015 01:06 PM (oKE6c)
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"264
As I have mentioned before, there is a huuuuuge difference between very
cold climates and warmer ones. Midwesterners do not like being thanked,
there is just a hand if necessary. Cold is much more dangerous to life
than heat, so my own theory is that the semi-socialist attitudes of the
northern states is a direct result of the weather. When 8 months of
the year the weather (maybe all 12 if tornadoes are factored in as well)
is a direct threat, it has an effect on community attitudes. Saddest
things for my rescue friends is winter -- even checking in regularly,
the number of people who freeze to death is very high. Freezing and
starvation are different in the north and not something that people in
less harsh climates can even imagine or understand.
Posted by: mustbequantum at June 28, 2015 12:48 PM (MIKMs)"
I seem to recall that George McGovern's daughter froze to death. She had a history of mental health and substance abuse problems and I think that she passed out drunk walking home one night and was found frozen to death the next morning. I guess there is a kind of darwinian influence going on in very cold places.
As I have mentioned before, there is a huuuuuge difference between very
cold climates and warmer ones. Midwesterners do not like being thanked,
there is just a hand if necessary. Cold is much more dangerous to life
than heat, so my own theory is that the semi-socialist attitudes of the
northern states is a direct result of the weather. When 8 months of
the year the weather (maybe all 12 if tornadoes are factored in as well)
is a direct threat, it has an effect on community attitudes. Saddest
things for my rescue friends is winter -- even checking in regularly,
the number of people who freeze to death is very high. Freezing and
starvation are different in the north and not something that people in
less harsh climates can even imagine or understand.
Posted by: mustbequantum at June 28, 2015 12:48 PM (MIKMs)"
I seem to recall that George McGovern's daughter froze to death. She had a history of mental health and substance abuse problems and I think that she passed out drunk walking home one night and was found frozen to death the next morning. I guess there is a kind of darwinian influence going on in very cold places.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 28, 2015 01:06 PM (QHgTq)
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Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2015 12:59 PM (QDnY+)
CA is a very conservative state with two large liberal cities.
I'm guessing most all states are that way, I mean, the big cities housing all the Proglodytes.
CA is a very conservative state with two large liberal cities.
I'm guessing most all states are that way, I mean, the big cities housing all the Proglodytes.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 01:07 PM (BVDFs)
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They're miffed b/c I was trying to keep this one on topic so we could have a break from politics and turmoil.
Open Threads are important and I'll explain why. Topical posts such as these and hot dog posts etc. drive away blog traffic. Visits = revenue for Ace.
Very simple remedy: put up open threads along with your niche threads. Ace said long ago that this is what was to be done, anyway.
They're miffed b/c I was trying to keep this one on topic so we could have a break from politics and turmoil.
Open Threads are important and I'll explain why. Topical posts such as these and hot dog posts etc. drive away blog traffic. Visits = revenue for Ace.
Very simple remedy: put up open threads along with your niche threads. Ace said long ago that this is what was to be done, anyway.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Lovin Spoonful at June 28, 2015 01:07 PM (5jPLo)
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Infidel, based on your info, guessing you were lucky enough to grow up in 60s/70s coastal SoCal. Hard to exaggerate what an amazing thing that could be.
I was even luckier (I think), San Diego, the same as HB/OC except very even more uncrowded, cheap, etc. back then. Guys up in HB could (and did, prob. still do) do the ski in the morning/surf in the afternoon thing, starting in Big Bear. Here we couldn't quite do that (though the Lagunas are 6,000 ft+ and do get snow), but having the ocean (uncrowded beaches where BTW alcohol and smoking were not banned), mountains, desert, and Mexico (uncrowded, safe, friendly, cheap at that time, with no border-crossing hassles) all within 10 - 45 min. drive ..... in a perfect climate .....
Infidel, based on your info, guessing you were lucky enough to grow up in 60s/70s coastal SoCal. Hard to exaggerate what an amazing thing that could be.
I was even luckier (I think), San Diego, the same as HB/OC except very even more uncrowded, cheap, etc. back then. Guys up in HB could (and did, prob. still do) do the ski in the morning/surf in the afternoon thing, starting in Big Bear. Here we couldn't quite do that (though the Lagunas are 6,000 ft+ and do get snow), but having the ocean (uncrowded beaches where BTW alcohol and smoking were not banned), mountains, desert, and Mexico (uncrowded, safe, friendly, cheap at that time, with no border-crossing hassles) all within 10 - 45 min. drive ..... in a perfect climate .....
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2015 01:07 PM (QDnY+)
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It farmed out some of that "stimulus" money to cities for green crap if the city put up matching funds.
That's what happened in my community. Tore up the main thoroughfares and put in bike lanes. And guess what? Nobody is using them.
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at June 28, 2015 01:02 PM (Dwehj)
I think it pre-dates the Obama stimulus (so thanks, W), but in St. Louis, along the River Des Peres they put in a parkway, with all sorts of pathways, benches, lightposts, and cute little bridges that cross the river.
Except, the problem is... if you don't live in St. Louis you would have no idea. River Des Peres is not really a river.
What is it?
An open sewer. Old WPA project to connect all the sewer lines, and run them out to the Mississloppi. Which, when it floods, creates backwash in the River Des Stinky.
But yeah, some pretty bike paths/walkways run the length of the damn thing. Millions of dollars spent. Yours too, if you pay federal taxes.
That's what happened in my community. Tore up the main thoroughfares and put in bike lanes. And guess what? Nobody is using them.
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at June 28, 2015 01:02 PM (Dwehj)
I think it pre-dates the Obama stimulus (so thanks, W), but in St. Louis, along the River Des Peres they put in a parkway, with all sorts of pathways, benches, lightposts, and cute little bridges that cross the river.
Except, the problem is... if you don't live in St. Louis you would have no idea. River Des Peres is not really a river.
What is it?
An open sewer. Old WPA project to connect all the sewer lines, and run them out to the Mississloppi. Which, when it floods, creates backwash in the River Des Stinky.
But yeah, some pretty bike paths/walkways run the length of the damn thing. Millions of dollars spent. Yours too, if you pay federal taxes.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 28, 2015 01:08 PM (Dj0WE)
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296: Don't get me started on round a bouts, Some asshole in WI decided we need one on every intersection. WTF I think we have more than England now. I hate this place.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 28, 2015 01:09 PM (ucDmr)
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So most of my friends are gay libs. Years ago, when I actually spent time with them they would talk endlessly at how awful racist my town is (Pittsburgh). Now, I just don't discuss politics (considering everything is now political, it is tough). Many of these friends are just FB friends now since I am a wacko rightwinger.
Posted by: Baldy at June 28, 2015 01:09 PM (sEXjW)
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>>>>And FL never has been really part of the South.<<<<<
That depends on what part of the state you are in. The east coast has always been rather cosmopolitan. The west coast has its big cities but there are also still lots of sleepy little mullet and shrimping towns (the residents all tend to have that Innsmouth look). The northern part of the state down to about Lake City is southern GA, and the panhandle is basically lower Alabama.
North and south of Orlando the center of the state is still pretty redneck. When I was a kid it was all cow fields and orange groves until we realized farming old people was more profitable. But if you skip over the retirees the area is a lot like Texas. The accent is pretty similar and the people have a lot of the same attitudes.
Also this is where you find your true "white hispanics", lots of people named Perez and Alvarez or Mendoza et al, that are descended from Spanish settlers and they are as caucasian as you can be. They tend to be pretty redneck too.
That depends on what part of the state you are in. The east coast has always been rather cosmopolitan. The west coast has its big cities but there are also still lots of sleepy little mullet and shrimping towns (the residents all tend to have that Innsmouth look). The northern part of the state down to about Lake City is southern GA, and the panhandle is basically lower Alabama.
North and south of Orlando the center of the state is still pretty redneck. When I was a kid it was all cow fields and orange groves until we realized farming old people was more profitable. But if you skip over the retirees the area is a lot like Texas. The accent is pretty similar and the people have a lot of the same attitudes.
Also this is where you find your true "white hispanics", lots of people named Perez and Alvarez or Mendoza et al, that are descended from Spanish settlers and they are as caucasian as you can be. They tend to be pretty redneck too.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at June 28, 2015 01:09 PM (W6ipS)
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I read the newspaper both north and south east and west, many Gannett.
I have noticed that all the area newspapers have become far more progressive, and sound like the NYTimes. sad....
I have noticed that all the area newspapers have become far more progressive, and sound like the NYTimes. sad....
Posted by: Colin at June 28, 2015 01:09 PM (WQLtV)
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Banks will remain shut until at least after a July 5 referendum called by Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras on whether to accept austerity in exchange for a European bailout, Kathemerini newspaper
Via Bloomberg
Via Bloomberg
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 28, 2015 01:09 PM (CxEX+)
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Tennessee is pretty conservatives, yet has a tradition of electing liberal Senators. They have two now.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 28, 2015 01:11 PM (rwI+c)
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I will wear high heels and seduce Gabiel Mallor!
Posted by: Chief Justice Joan Robertas at June 28, 2015 01:11 PM (F1Z8f)
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That's what happened in my community. Tore up the
main thoroughfares and put in bike lanes. And guess what? Nobody is
using them.
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at June 28, 2015 01:02 PM (Dwehj)
Had that here, too. You know, to promote "connectedness." Good way to get connected with a bankruptcy lawyer. (They also made the bike lanes excessively wide, and included a buffer zone as well. Now auto traffic is confined to a narrow lane rather like the Autopia at Disneyland.)
On the bright side, several months I saw someone using a bike lane. So it was money well-spent.
main thoroughfares and put in bike lanes. And guess what? Nobody is
using them.
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at June 28, 2015 01:02 PM (Dwehj)
Had that here, too. You know, to promote "connectedness." Good way to get connected with a bankruptcy lawyer. (They also made the bike lanes excessively wide, and included a buffer zone as well. Now auto traffic is confined to a narrow lane rather like the Autopia at Disneyland.)
On the bright side, several months I saw someone using a bike lane. So it was money well-spent.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 28, 2015 01:11 PM (oKE6c)
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CA is really 3 States. A left coast 50 mile deep liberal strip from SF to SD, the Northern half which is more rural, and the central valley which until recently was farmers. I don't know a whole lot about the Northern half above SF, never got up there.
The 50 mile deep liberal strip has most of the population and runs the State.
The 50 mile deep liberal strip has most of the population and runs the State.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 01:11 PM (GpgJl)
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Go to Insty and follow the link to the BBC video of Falcon 9 launch.
Pause at the moment things go wrong. I do not like what I see.
To my untrained eye, I think main stage engine did not cut out, stage one did not detach, and upper stage engine fired into it.
Pause at the moment things go wrong. I do not like what I see.
To my untrained eye, I think main stage engine did not cut out, stage one did not detach, and upper stage engine fired into it.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 28, 2015 01:12 PM (oVJmc)
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Very simple remedy: put up open threads along with your niche threads. Ace said long ago that this is what was to be done, anyway.
Did you miss Open thread for travel and general chit-chat. at the end of this post?
It's right above where you click for the comments.
Did you miss Open thread for travel and general chit-chat. at the end of this post?
It's right above where you click for the comments.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 28, 2015 01:12 PM (eEb+d)
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Rhomboid-
Yep. We never skied but I had a great childhood. I consider myself lucky compared to today. My parents were in love and stayed together until her death at 54. We weren't real close to the beach but spent a lot of time there. Lived in Lkwd for a few years in the 80's.
Yep. We never skied but I had a great childhood. I consider myself lucky compared to today. My parents were in love and stayed together until her death at 54. We weren't real close to the beach but spent a lot of time there. Lived in Lkwd for a few years in the 80's.
Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2015 01:13 PM (2LVOe)
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309
I read the newspaper both north and south east and west, many Gannett.
I have noticed that all the area newspapers have become far more progressive, and sound like the NYTimes. sad....
Posted by: Colin at June 28, 2015 01:09 PM (WQLtV)
That is because Soros and the big chains have been buying them out. That happened with our little twice a week paper here.
I read the newspaper both north and south east and west, many Gannett.
I have noticed that all the area newspapers have become far more progressive, and sound like the NYTimes. sad....
Posted by: Colin at June 28, 2015 01:09 PM (WQLtV)
That is because Soros and the big chains have been buying them out. That happened with our little twice a week paper here.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 01:13 PM (GpgJl)
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306 296: Don't get me started on round a bouts, Some asshole in WI decided we need one on every intersection. WTF I think we have more than England now. I hate this place.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 28, 2015 01:09 PM (ucDmr)
We got our first one last year. I was used to them, having driven in Europe a lot. So that makes one resident who knows how to deal with them, merely leaving the rest of the effing town to figure that out.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 28, 2015 01:09 PM (ucDmr)
We got our first one last year. I was used to them, having driven in Europe a lot. So that makes one resident who knows how to deal with them, merely leaving the rest of the effing town to figure that out.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 28, 2015 01:14 PM (oKE6c)
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One issue that doesn't get discussed about desegregation is that in many places, the black upper middle class disappeared almost immediately....black folks could suddenly go to white doctors, lawyers, etc, and didn't want to go to the black ones any more.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 01:05 PM (BVDFs)
Yep. On the other side of the river (Illinois), people will drive dozens of miles from there, to shop at the freakin' Walmart, which is just across the Jefferson Barracks bridge in south St. Louis County.
I was talking with co-workers one day (black co-workers), some of whom live in Illinois, and take the drive, and I asked why they would shop in Missouri if they live in Illinois. Reason: They didn't want to shop at the "black" Walmart. Better selection, fewer insane customers, less dangerous parking lot.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 01:05 PM (BVDFs)
Yep. On the other side of the river (Illinois), people will drive dozens of miles from there, to shop at the freakin' Walmart, which is just across the Jefferson Barracks bridge in south St. Louis County.
I was talking with co-workers one day (black co-workers), some of whom live in Illinois, and take the drive, and I asked why they would shop in Missouri if they live in Illinois. Reason: They didn't want to shop at the "black" Walmart. Better selection, fewer insane customers, less dangerous parking lot.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 28, 2015 01:15 PM (Dj0WE)
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308 Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at June 28, 2015 01:09 PM (W6ipS)
As I said earlier, yes you can break out sections in every State but I did not want to get swamped in the details. I was speaking generalities.
As I said earlier, yes you can break out sections in every State but I did not want to get swamped in the details. I was speaking generalities.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 01:15 PM (GpgJl)
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Grew up in NE Florida. It is NOT the "South." It is Redneck Central. Friendly, helpful, military town with banks and insurance at its civilian core. Which means low wages and precarious careers.
Lived in Mexico City, Mexico. Never had better friendships and learned the importance of building relationships for survival, and not some "rugged individualism" which will just get you jailed, killed, or worse.
Now live in Charleston, SC. THE South. Still a plantation mentality amongst the old money types, but their old money preserves the natural habitat and the sense of place. The pervasive politeness is a front for the race/class detente and we all like it that way, apparently. To counter, we appreciate justice over anarchy and haven't quite learned how to bend justice to a social agenda. We take pride in electing Tim Scott to Congress because it was The Right Thing To Do. But we'll catch up with all the pandering and political manipulation, right after the next glass of tea.
Lived in Mexico City, Mexico. Never had better friendships and learned the importance of building relationships for survival, and not some "rugged individualism" which will just get you jailed, killed, or worse.
Now live in Charleston, SC. THE South. Still a plantation mentality amongst the old money types, but their old money preserves the natural habitat and the sense of place. The pervasive politeness is a front for the race/class detente and we all like it that way, apparently. To counter, we appreciate justice over anarchy and haven't quite learned how to bend justice to a social agenda. We take pride in electing Tim Scott to Congress because it was The Right Thing To Do. But we'll catch up with all the pandering and political manipulation, right after the next glass of tea.
Posted by: Joan of Argghh! at June 28, 2015 01:15 PM (4JIfh)
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"310
Banks will remain shut until at least after a July 5 referendum called
by Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras on whether to accept austerity in
exchange for a European bailout, Kathemerini newspaper
Via Bloomberg
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 28, 2015 01:09 PM (CxEX+)"
So any Greeks who have not already pulled all their money out of the bank and stuffed it in their mattresses are hosed. Well, it's not like they didn't have any warning.
Banks will remain shut until at least after a July 5 referendum called
by Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras on whether to accept austerity in
exchange for a European bailout, Kathemerini newspaper
Via Bloomberg
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 28, 2015 01:09 PM (CxEX+)"
So any Greeks who have not already pulled all their money out of the bank and stuffed it in their mattresses are hosed. Well, it's not like they didn't have any warning.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 28, 2015 01:15 PM (QHgTq)
Posted by: Chilton Chase III at June 28, 2015 01:16 PM (aiogl)
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at June 28, 2015 01:16 PM (Dwehj)
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What part of Kentucky you go to can mean your experience is very different. Appalachia is the great white ghetto, the golden triangle (Louisville-Lexington-Covington) is partial southern, partial Midwestern, partial Northeastern asshole wannabes. The western part is pure mid of south and Midwest and they get no say in state government. This is god's country but the sort of place where grannies worry about "the poor homosexuals who must live such a lonely life." But strangers will stop to change your tire if you are a woman who had a flat and even the few racists have been taught to say "yes sir, yes ma'am" to everyone despite race.
Posted by: Rory at June 28, 2015 01:16 PM (fsN5v)
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Chicago had the least safe feel of any major city I have visited. I was accosted in one way or another almost day while I was there walking around, and people generally steer clear of me.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 28, 2015 01:17 PM (rwI+c)
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Former CIA Director Michael Hayden said Sunday that the United States has lost its edge going into the final days of a nuclear negotiation with Iran.
I would actually fear that the Iranians have the upper hand right now, Hayden said on Fox News Sunday. I actually fear we have painted ourselves into a corner where we believe that any deal is better than no deal at the present time.
He fears? And he gets paid to make predictions?
I would actually fear that the Iranians have the upper hand right now, Hayden said on Fox News Sunday. I actually fear we have painted ourselves into a corner where we believe that any deal is better than no deal at the present time.
He fears? And he gets paid to make predictions?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 28, 2015 01:17 PM (/tNwW)
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I would assume Chicago has an overabundance of bike
paths for one of two reasons (or both): 1. Some alderman's brother in
law holds the contract to paint bike paths in the city. Or 2. So many
drunks have suspended licenses, bikes are an absolute necessity.
There... how's that for stereotyping.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 28, 2015 01:01 PM (Dj0WE)
3. Lefty politicians are saving us from evil cars. Now there are white guys with dreadlocks with Whole Foods bags on their bikes blocking rush hour traffic because of Gaia.
paths for one of two reasons (or both): 1. Some alderman's brother in
law holds the contract to paint bike paths in the city. Or 2. So many
drunks have suspended licenses, bikes are an absolute necessity.
There... how's that for stereotyping.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 28, 2015 01:01 PM (Dj0WE)
3. Lefty politicians are saving us from evil cars. Now there are white guys with dreadlocks with Whole Foods bags on their bikes blocking rush hour traffic because of Gaia.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2015 01:18 PM (DiZBp)
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296 294 Ditto here. And now they are building round-a-bouts everywhere. It really sucks!
--
Roundabouts are designef for horse-drawn carriages.
Why the heck are thry building them? For bikers?
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Roundabouts are designef for horse-drawn carriages.
Why the heck are thry building them? For bikers?
Posted by: @votermom at June 28, 2015 01:18 PM (RgHLp)
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votermom, cause they are teh stupid and have a surplus they want t spend
Posted by: Infidel at June 28, 2015 01:20 PM (2LVOe)
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"319
306 296: Don't get me started on round a bouts, Some asshole in WI
decided we need one on every intersection. WTF I think we have more than
England now. I hate this place.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 28, 2015 01:09 PM (ucDmr)
We
got our first one last year. I was used to them, having driven in
Europe a lot. So that makes one resident who knows how to deal with
them, merely leaving the rest of the effing town to figure that out.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 28, 2015 01:14 PM (oKE6c)"
When they first go in, they screw up traffic for about a year as there is always somebody who has never seen one and who panics and stops waiting for the entire thing to be empty before they will pull into it. This is lots of fun at rush hours. After a while, it gets better and when more are put in, there are not as many people who are absolutely baffled by the things. They do make it easier to make a left on a busy intersection without needing a traffic light.
306 296: Don't get me started on round a bouts, Some asshole in WI
decided we need one on every intersection. WTF I think we have more than
England now. I hate this place.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 28, 2015 01:09 PM (ucDmr)
We
got our first one last year. I was used to them, having driven in
Europe a lot. So that makes one resident who knows how to deal with
them, merely leaving the rest of the effing town to figure that out.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 28, 2015 01:14 PM (oKE6c)"
When they first go in, they screw up traffic for about a year as there is always somebody who has never seen one and who panics and stops waiting for the entire thing to be empty before they will pull into it. This is lots of fun at rush hours. After a while, it gets better and when more are put in, there are not as many people who are absolutely baffled by the things. They do make it easier to make a left on a busy intersection without needing a traffic light.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 28, 2015 01:20 PM (QHgTq)
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* who are rude as hell, in my experience living there, where to my
amazement the gentlemen routinely pushed their way onto the bus before
the ladies, who pushed their way on before the elderly and infirm
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 28, 2015 01:06 PM (oKE6c)
Here in San Antonio, if a woman is feeling a little down and wants to be treated like Queen Elizabeth for a little while, she can just go to Academy on a Friday when the men are gearing up for the weekend.
Wander the hunting/fishing aisles and you will have men almost injuring themselves in their efforts to jump out of your way. The aisles echo with cries of "'Scuse me, ma'am!". I love living here.
amazement the gentlemen routinely pushed their way onto the bus before
the ladies, who pushed their way on before the elderly and infirm
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 28, 2015 01:06 PM (oKE6c)
Here in San Antonio, if a woman is feeling a little down and wants to be treated like Queen Elizabeth for a little while, she can just go to Academy on a Friday when the men are gearing up for the weekend.
Wander the hunting/fishing aisles and you will have men almost injuring themselves in their efforts to jump out of your way. The aisles echo with cries of "'Scuse me, ma'am!". I love living here.
Posted by: stace at June 28, 2015 01:20 PM (+sO7w)
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The USA is out of the Space business and out private industry surrogates can't even get a supply craft into orbit, leaving us completely at the marcy of the Ruskies. Way to go Fredo
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 28, 2015 01:21 PM (/tNwW)
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Roundabouts can be great. Carmel, Indiana has a ton of them, and trust me. It really alleviated the traffic from having a bunch of 4 way stops or even lights. Traffic would be backed up like crazy at the intersections. So, it really works there.
But, you have to know how to use them, and in some places, I see people coming to a full stop or going the wrong way and it just becomes a pain.
But, you have to know how to use them, and in some places, I see people coming to a full stop or going the wrong way and it just becomes a pain.
Posted by: TickledPink at June 28, 2015 01:21 PM (adaac)
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Vic, pretty accurate, except central coast CA (north of Santa Barbara to just south of Monterrey) are culturally/politically much more like the Central Valley. So the "strip" has an interruption. And if you go inland 50 miles you'll find cultural/political differences as stark as Manhattan or rural upstate NY. It varies, but I'd say more like a 10-15 mile coastal strip. Just a few quibbles here.
Then again, what the f**k does it matter any more. Standards, institutions, an American mindset (liberty), responsibility, literacy (economic, scientific, cultural, historical ....) are all just about dead or close. Rule of law gone. Very mediocre - or worse - people nowdominate all private and public life.
Vic, pretty accurate, except central coast CA (north of Santa Barbara to just south of Monterrey) are culturally/politically much more like the Central Valley. So the "strip" has an interruption. And if you go inland 50 miles you'll find cultural/political differences as stark as Manhattan or rural upstate NY. It varies, but I'd say more like a 10-15 mile coastal strip. Just a few quibbles here.
Then again, what the f**k does it matter any more. Standards, institutions, an American mindset (liberty), responsibility, literacy (economic, scientific, cultural, historical ....) are all just about dead or close. Rule of law gone. Very mediocre - or worse - people nowdominate all private and public life.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2015 01:21 PM (QDnY+)
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I love that Alaska has White Walkers in the British mind.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 28, 2015 01:22 PM (rwI+c)
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Speaking of preconceptions, whats the deal with Whole Food in New York and charges or prices or whatever?
Posted by: OG Celtic-America at June 28, 2015 01:23 PM (W2CpM)
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Charleston is a city I have enjoyed more than any other. The architecture, the honesty about their history whether good or bad, and the food.....the food is out of this world good.
Posted by: Dave S. at June 28, 2015 01:23 PM (mhkbv)
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NOOD OPEN THREAD BELOW THIS ONE FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WANT TO TALK POLITICS ETC.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 01:23 PM (RWGcK)
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326 Posted by: Rory at June 28, 2015 01:16 PM (fsN5v)
Wife and I drove up to OH to visit a friend a few years ago. We crossed over the mountains between Asheville, NC and Knoxville, TN. We stopped at a Burger King in the mountains for some lunch. While ating I kept looking around because something there was missing. After looking for a while I finally realized what it was.
There were no blacks in the place. None at all, even the cooks in the back were white.
Wife and I drove up to OH to visit a friend a few years ago. We crossed over the mountains between Asheville, NC and Knoxville, TN. We stopped at a Burger King in the mountains for some lunch. While ating I kept looking around because something there was missing. After looking for a while I finally realized what it was.
There were no blacks in the place. None at all, even the cooks in the back were white.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 01:24 PM (GpgJl)
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I've spent my life mostly in Cleveland, Ohio. People are friendly and polite here, and also generous. About 10 years ago, Glenn Beck picked out my hometown of Bay Village, Ohio, to do a live Fourth of July radio show, saying it is a great example of small town Americana.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at June 28, 2015 01:24 PM (9Y7bY)
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I thought this was an open thread?!?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 28, 2015 01:25 PM (rwI+c)
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3. Lefty politicians are saving us from evil cars. Now there are white guys with dreadlocks with Whole Foods bags on their bikes blocking rush hour traffic because of Gaia.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2015 01:18 PM (DiZBp)
Heh, now that seems more plausible than my rather lame attempt at needling the Chicago Way.
By the way, somebody on Friday was talking about how the Cubs were going to crush the Cardinals this weekend.
Yeah... no.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2015 01:18 PM (DiZBp)
Heh, now that seems more plausible than my rather lame attempt at needling the Chicago Way.
By the way, somebody on Friday was talking about how the Cubs were going to crush the Cardinals this weekend.
Yeah... no.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 28, 2015 01:25 PM (Dj0WE)
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Speaking of preconceptions, whats the deal with Whole Food in New York and charges or prices or whatever?
Posted by: OG Celtic-America at June 28, 2015 01:23 PM (W2CpM)
All the supermarkets seem to do it, but Whole Food seems to do it more than others. Buyer beware. I suggest bringing your own scale when you shop, but you'll probably be arrested or have your ass thrown out of the place..Good stuff
Posted by: OG Celtic-America at June 28, 2015 01:23 PM (W2CpM)
All the supermarkets seem to do it, but Whole Food seems to do it more than others. Buyer beware. I suggest bringing your own scale when you shop, but you'll probably be arrested or have your ass thrown out of the place..Good stuff
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 28, 2015 01:25 PM (/tNwW)
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Now there are white guys with dreadlocks with Whole Foods bags on their bikes blocking rush hour traffic because of Gaia.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2015 01:18 PM (DiZBp)
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I am the law. And a black woman.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2015 01:18 PM (DiZBp)
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I am the law. And a black woman.
Posted by: Judge Dreddlocks and the three bears at June 28, 2015 01:27 PM (F1Z8f)
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See Ruby Falls.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 28, 2015 01:27 PM (eEb+d)
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I'll tell you a really Ohio stereotype that I have; in my experience with Ohioans, outside Ohio I must add, they are all crazy. Not necessarily a danger kind of crazy, but crazy. Particularly exiles from Cleveland. Is this a representative sample, or do you people drive the crazies out?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 28, 2015 01:27 PM (rwI+c)
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Speaking of preconceptions, whats the deal with Whole Food in New York and charges or prices or whatever?
Posted by: OG Celtic-America at June 28, 2015 01:23 PM (W2CpM)
All the supermarkets seem to do it, but Whole Food seems to do it
more than others. Buyer beware. I suggest bringing your own scale when
you shop, but you'll probably be arrested or have your ass thrown out of
the place..Good stuff
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 28, 2015 01:25 PM (/tNwW)
But Whole Foods is super duper liberal so it's okay that they rip people off.
Speaking of preconceptions, whats the deal with Whole Food in New York and charges or prices or whatever?
Posted by: OG Celtic-America at June 28, 2015 01:23 PM (W2CpM)
All the supermarkets seem to do it, but Whole Food seems to do it
more than others. Buyer beware. I suggest bringing your own scale when
you shop, but you'll probably be arrested or have your ass thrown out of
the place..Good stuff
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 28, 2015 01:25 PM (/tNwW)
But Whole Foods is super duper liberal so it's okay that they rip people off.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 28, 2015 01:27 PM (DiZBp)
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>>Louisiana, while definitely Southern in many ways, especially northern and eastern areas, has those subcultures.
I'm in NW Louisiana and it's got that warm Southern feeling.
We've got people who've lived right here for generations, some just over the border from East Texas, and plenty who moved here just a little less than 10 years ago from a place south of here for some reason...
It was weird when we went out of town a couple months ago and stopped in a Walmart: people didn't smile when you entered an aisle, they didn't talk to the kids, they didn't say excuse me when they thought that maybe they might possibly have almost gotten in my way.
I'm in NW Louisiana and it's got that warm Southern feeling.
We've got people who've lived right here for generations, some just over the border from East Texas, and plenty who moved here just a little less than 10 years ago from a place south of here for some reason...
It was weird when we went out of town a couple months ago and stopped in a Walmart: people didn't smile when you entered an aisle, they didn't talk to the kids, they didn't say excuse me when they thought that maybe they might possibly have almost gotten in my way.
Posted by: Mama AJ at June 28, 2015 01:29 PM (0xTsz)
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320 One issue that doesn't get discussed about desegregation is that in many places, the black upper middle class disappeared almost immediately....black folks could suddenly go to white doctors, lawyers, etc, and didn't want to go to the black ones any more.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 01:05 PM (BVDFs)
Yep. On the other side of the river (Illinois), people will drive dozens of miles from there, to shop at the freakin' Walmart, which is just across the Jefferson Barracks bridge in south St. Louis County.
I was talking with co-workers one day (black co-workers), some of whom live in Illinois, and take the drive, and I asked why they would shop in Missouri if they live in Illinois. Reason: They didn't want to shop at the "black" Walmart. Better selection, fewer insane customers, less dangerous parking lot.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 28, 2015 01:15 PM (Dj0WE)
The Walmarts near any City is just Crazy, I have one thats near me and a bus hub but it's a no go zone with all the Ghetto trash we drive 15 miles to one that's out in the countryside where you don't worry about being robbed or asked to buy stolen goods in the parking lot.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 01:05 PM (BVDFs)
Yep. On the other side of the river (Illinois), people will drive dozens of miles from there, to shop at the freakin' Walmart, which is just across the Jefferson Barracks bridge in south St. Louis County.
I was talking with co-workers one day (black co-workers), some of whom live in Illinois, and take the drive, and I asked why they would shop in Missouri if they live in Illinois. Reason: They didn't want to shop at the "black" Walmart. Better selection, fewer insane customers, less dangerous parking lot.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 28, 2015 01:15 PM (Dj0WE)
The Walmarts near any City is just Crazy, I have one thats near me and a bus hub but it's a no go zone with all the Ghetto trash we drive 15 miles to one that's out in the countryside where you don't worry about being robbed or asked to buy stolen goods in the parking lot.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 28, 2015 01:29 PM (CxEX+)
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See Horseshoe Bend.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 28, 2015 01:29 PM (eEb+d)
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NGU, yep, Michael Hayden, geopolitical genius. Fairly representative, I fear. Unserious (and very mediocre) country. He's ex-military, I think, but CIA's always seemed an outlandishly mixed bag, in my experience.
Hey, whatever happened to the geniuses, the virtual re-incarnations of WWII's brilliant SOE in London, who oversaw the Iran nuke NIE back in 2006/7? You know, the one declaring Iran had abandoned its nuke ambitions? Medals of Freedom, bonuses (WTF are "bonuses" in govt, anyway?? when did that start?), secret intelligence medals?
Actually that one bizarre chapter had all the elements of national decline neatly represented. Absurd "intelligence" work, and instead of firing people and educating, a president who meekly complied with the sabotage of sensible policy.
NGU, yep, Michael Hayden, geopolitical genius. Fairly representative, I fear. Unserious (and very mediocre) country. He's ex-military, I think, but CIA's always seemed an outlandishly mixed bag, in my experience.
Hey, whatever happened to the geniuses, the virtual re-incarnations of WWII's brilliant SOE in London, who oversaw the Iran nuke NIE back in 2006/7? You know, the one declaring Iran had abandoned its nuke ambitions? Medals of Freedom, bonuses (WTF are "bonuses" in govt, anyway?? when did that start?), secret intelligence medals?
Actually that one bizarre chapter had all the elements of national decline neatly represented. Absurd "intelligence" work, and instead of firing people and educating, a president who meekly complied with the sabotage of sensible policy.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2015 01:30 PM (QDnY+)
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Natchitoches, Louisiana.
Travel to nearby Isle Brevelle to St. Augustine's Catholic Church and learn the history of the Cane River People, folk artist Clementine Hunter (interred in the mausoleum), and the beautiful Melrose Plantation. You'll find a new perspective of a very little known part of American History.
While you're there, sample some "Natchitoches Meat Pies," an unparalleled Louisiana delicacy.
FWIW, Steele Magnolias was filmed in Natchitoches.
Travel to nearby Isle Brevelle to St. Augustine's Catholic Church and learn the history of the Cane River People, folk artist Clementine Hunter (interred in the mausoleum), and the beautiful Melrose Plantation. You'll find a new perspective of a very little known part of American History.
While you're there, sample some "Natchitoches Meat Pies," an unparalleled Louisiana delicacy.
FWIW, Steele Magnolias was filmed in Natchitoches.
Posted by: unfatmatt at June 28, 2015 01:31 PM (kyTFr)
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See Natural Bridge.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 28, 2015 01:31 PM (eEb+d)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 28, 2015 01:32 PM (W5DcG)
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What do you think of these results? Do they fit with your experiences or pre-conceptions of different parts of the U.S.?
Why is the "aliens" label only in New Mexico? That should be "space aliens" and "aliens" should be everywhere else, with "ALIEN" in Washington, D.C.
Also, I would have put a bunch of "douchebags" around.
Why is the "aliens" label only in New Mexico? That should be "space aliens" and "aliens" should be everywhere else, with "ALIEN" in Washington, D.C.
Also, I would have put a bunch of "douchebags" around.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 28, 2015 01:33 PM (MYSVz)
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Late to this, but just wanted you all to know of the impression I had when I first came to the US. Moved to South Florida when I was 5 months pregnant with son #2, I didn't know anyone. Son # 1 had a bad accident at the park, knocked out 2 of his baby teeth and I was overwhelmed with the kindness of the strangers at the park who helped with my son, called a local pediatric dentist (this being Sunday at 5pm), and took me to meet him at his office where he took care of my son. When #2 child was born I was inundated with meals from my neighbors, offers of babysitting older son and generally many kindnesses. All those are good friends to this day 29 years later. This was a great eye-opener to me of the innate goodness of the American people, I never encountered such kindness in England. BTW, Y-not another interesting thread, I always enjoy getting away from the political rot we have to pay attention to most days.
Posted by: flmomof4 at June 28, 2015 01:35 PM (nSjrf)
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Speaking of stereotypes, hubby is watching The Dead 2: India on syfy.
Apparently even in zombified India, if you leave your motorbike unattended for 2 minutes with the keys in the engine it is so getting stolen. LOL
Apparently even in zombified India, if you leave your motorbike unattended for 2 minutes with the keys in the engine it is so getting stolen. LOL
Posted by: @votermom at June 28, 2015 01:36 PM (xPtpM)
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Nothing beats my memories of the Florida Gulf Coast, per-commercialization. There's something about the Gulf of Mexico that captured my fancy, long ago.
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at June 28, 2015 01:37 PM (Dwehj)
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>>people will drive dozens of miles from there, to shop at the freakin' Walmart,
When we were at Andrews AFB, in Maryland, people would drive right past 2 Walmarts to go to the good one.
Yes, it was a nice one. But still...
The one near me has been good, bad, and good enough. Different managers? I don't know.
When we were at Andrews AFB, in Maryland, people would drive right past 2 Walmarts to go to the good one.
Yes, it was a nice one. But still...
The one near me has been good, bad, and good enough. Different managers? I don't know.
Posted by: Mama AJ at June 28, 2015 01:38 PM (0xTsz)
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It was a bad representation of Santa
Posted by: Eagles Fan at June 28, 2015 01:38 PM (kTWpM)
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While you're there, sample some "Natchitoches Meat Pies," an unparalleled Louisiana delicacy.
Posted by: unfatmatt at June 28, 2015 01:31 PM (kyTFr)
...and after your visit, entertain yourself by showing the word "natchitoches" to people and asking them to pronounce it.
Posted by: unfatmatt at June 28, 2015 01:31 PM (kyTFr)
...and after your visit, entertain yourself by showing the word "natchitoches" to people and asking them to pronounce it.
Posted by: jwpaine, otherized for your protection at June 28, 2015 01:38 PM (aiogl)
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"Stereotypes CAN be true" is a weird statement. They ARE true. They HAVE to be true, or they never would have become stereotypes.
For an experiment, just try to invent an untrue stereotype. "Hey! Ever notice that when you go to a Wagner opera the audience is just loaded with black people singing along?" Yeah, good luck getting that one to grow legs.
For an experiment, just try to invent an untrue stereotype. "Hey! Ever notice that when you go to a Wagner opera the audience is just loaded with black people singing along?" Yeah, good luck getting that one to grow legs.
Posted by: RKae at June 28, 2015 01:40 PM (7BAzF)
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nack-o-tische is how it's pronounced...
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at June 28, 2015 01:40 PM (AYY6Y)
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...meant pre-commercialization...ugh
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at June 28, 2015 01:40 PM (Dwehj)
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"
...and after your visit, entertain yourself by showing the word "natchitoches" to people and asking them to pronounce it."
And then ask them to pronounce Nacogdoches tx
...and after your visit, entertain yourself by showing the word "natchitoches" to people and asking them to pronounce it."
And then ask them to pronounce Nacogdoches tx
Posted by: lauren at June 28, 2015 01:40 PM (MYCIw)
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We were on the Tube in London looking at a map trying to decide where to get off, a couple of looked like young English Hooligans drinking beer, they started looking at us because we looked like tourists. I thought we were in trouble and going to get mugged, but they heard what we were saying and Helped us get to where we wanted to go.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 28, 2015 01:41 PM (CxEX+)
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Then again, what the f**k does it matter any more.
Standards, institutions, an American mindset (liberty), responsibility,
literacy (economic, scientific, cultural, historical ....) are all just
about dead or close. Rule of law gone. Very mediocre - or worse - people
now dominate all private and public life.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2015 01:21 PM (QDnY+)
Thinking about this last night it occurred to me: what we've lost is "honor."
Standards, institutions, an American mindset (liberty), responsibility,
literacy (economic, scientific, cultural, historical ....) are all just
about dead or close. Rule of law gone. Very mediocre - or worse - people
now dominate all private and public life.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 28, 2015 01:21 PM (QDnY+)
Thinking about this last night it occurred to me: what we've lost is "honor."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 28, 2015 01:41 PM (oKE6c)
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It was a bad representation of Santa
Posted by: Eagles Fan at June 28, 2015 01:38 PM (kTWpM)
It's probably not fair, as drunk as Iggles fans generally are before the kickoff, they probably thought he was a guy in a Redskins uniform.
Posted by: Eagles Fan at June 28, 2015 01:38 PM (kTWpM)
It's probably not fair, as drunk as Iggles fans generally are before the kickoff, they probably thought he was a guy in a Redskins uniform.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 28, 2015 01:41 PM (Dj0WE)
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Any knitters here who frequent the MA based website, Ravelry? If so, check out the cute little rainbow flag they have flying today. My preconception of Boston area residents has just been reinforced. Perhaps I also need to adjust my thinking on knitters in general. Rainbow themed patterns seem to be getting a lot of "favs" today. Lol
Posted by: Tuna at June 28, 2015 01:42 PM (JSovD)
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55 I saw that interview. Insipid Walmart CEO. The other day someone here linked to a situation where a person had "ordered" a confederate flag cake (heritage not hate) from Walmart. They refused. He went back and ordered an ISIS battle flag cake (by order -- he wrote out the colors, words etc) and they did it. He has pix and receipt. He was very reasonable in the presentation of this situation. Big guy, beard, on a Harley (found throughout the South and elsewhere).
Politically correct corporations -- dangerous and stupid.
South -- Southern Virginia -- Lexington, Lynchburg, etc. And a big difference between that and New Orleans. South -- maybe a state of mind. Some parts of it are fabulous. Refighting the Civil War - stupid. Rewriting history -- dangerous.
Politically correct corporations -- dangerous and stupid.
South -- Southern Virginia -- Lexington, Lynchburg, etc. And a big difference between that and New Orleans. South -- maybe a state of mind. Some parts of it are fabulous. Refighting the Civil War - stupid. Rewriting history -- dangerous.
Posted by: gracepc at June 28, 2015 01:42 PM (DMQhB)
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I've actually drivin most of that route in the western US and northern midwest.
alota wide open spaces.
some of that route is not interstate
Denver to Jackson Hole to Boise has very little interstate, mostly state hyways
alota wide open spaces.
some of that route is not interstate
Denver to Jackson Hole to Boise has very little interstate, mostly state hyways
Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 01:43 PM (PY/7D)
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>>...and after your visit, entertain yourself by showing the word "natchitoches" to people and asking them to pronounce it."
>And then ask them to pronounce Nacogdoches tx
Lol.
>And then ask them to pronounce Nacogdoches tx
Lol.
Posted by: Mama AJ at June 28, 2015 01:43 PM (0xTsz)
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356 Northeastern asshole wannabes.
There are a lot of those in Indianapolis now.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 28, 2015 01:32 PM (W5DcG)
California missed some? Hope springs eternal.
There are a lot of those in Indianapolis now.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 28, 2015 01:32 PM (W5DcG)
California missed some? Hope springs eternal.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 28, 2015 01:43 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: jwpaine, otherized for your protection at June 28, 2015 01:43 PM (aiogl)
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Tuna, ravelry is overwhelming lefty ... I used to hang out there several years ago. There were a few, very few, conservative groups.
Posted by: @votermom at June 28, 2015 01:44 PM (cbfNE)
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also note Glacer NP in MT to Rapid City, SD is all state hiwasy, zero interstate
Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 01:45 PM (PY/7D)
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367 And then ask them to pronounce Nacogdoches tx
Posted by: lauren at June 28, 2015 01:40 PM (MYCIw)
Well since I had a buddy in the Navy from there I could probably do a good job on it.
Posted by: lauren at June 28, 2015 01:40 PM (MYCIw)
Well since I had a buddy in the Navy from there I could probably do a good job on it.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 01:45 PM (GpgJl)
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361 >>people will drive dozens of miles from there, to shop at the freakin' Walmart,
When we were at Andrews AFB, in Maryland, people would drive right past 2 Walmarts to go to the good one.
Yes, it was a nice one. But still...
The one near me has been good, bad, and good enough. Different managers? I don't know.
Posted by: Mama AJ at June 28, 2015 01:38 PM (0xTsz)
My theory is that if a Walmart is near a bus stop its a bad one, not having busing tends to keep the riff raff out. Never shop at Walmart at the beginning of the month that's when people's EBT cards get reloaded.
When we were at Andrews AFB, in Maryland, people would drive right past 2 Walmarts to go to the good one.
Yes, it was a nice one. But still...
The one near me has been good, bad, and good enough. Different managers? I don't know.
Posted by: Mama AJ at June 28, 2015 01:38 PM (0xTsz)
My theory is that if a Walmart is near a bus stop its a bad one, not having busing tends to keep the riff raff out. Never shop at Walmart at the beginning of the month that's when people's EBT cards get reloaded.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 28, 2015 01:45 PM (CxEX+)
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I've lived in Ohio most of my life. It's not my favorite place. I'd rather be in SC. It's going to be hard pulling he who hasn't missed an OSU home football game evah away from here though.
Posted by: Tuna at June 28, 2015 01:46 PM (JSovD)
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I've actually drivin most of that route in the western US and northern midwest.
alota wide open spaces.
some of that route is not interstate
Denver to Jackson Hole to Boise has very little interstate, mostly state hyways
Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 01:43 PM (PY/7D)
The thing I really miss about being young and stupid and care-free, is not being able to just go and drive somewhere. Out west, you have to get off the interstate, or you won't see it.
I have mapped out routes that include dirt roads, because the alternative would be pointless.
alota wide open spaces.
some of that route is not interstate
Denver to Jackson Hole to Boise has very little interstate, mostly state hyways
Posted by: moron #73 at June 28, 2015 01:43 PM (PY/7D)
The thing I really miss about being young and stupid and care-free, is not being able to just go and drive somewhere. Out west, you have to get off the interstate, or you won't see it.
I have mapped out routes that include dirt roads, because the alternative would be pointless.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 28, 2015 01:47 PM (Dj0WE)
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Sheeeeyit...
BBoy, you must have been in LA, Lower Alabama...
In North Alabama just for starters we have the technology hub of the Southeast in Cummings Research Park (snappy moron name? no??) which has some of the best high tech firms in the country designing and building all kinds of fun toys, mainly military hardware but there's others who hold down the civilian side of life like Adtran.
As for education we have 5 major Universities and a large amount of satellite universities as well as the states best Junior College system school, Calhoun (look that name up H8ers) Community College.
We have the Alabama Space and Rocket Center where you can literally walk right up to an honest to God Saturn V rocket that put men on the freaking moon. Did I mention that was designed and built here? Werner Von Braun lived here and built the industry from scratch, Goddard was a piker. So much for that 'backwards redneck cousin/sister humping knuckledragger' stereotype touted by those ill tempered, rude, Damn Yankee's.
We also have enough water thanks to the Tennessee River system as well as numerous small lakes to have all kinds of fun in and on.
We are the epicenter of other cities like Nashville, Birmingham, Atlanta and Chattanooga, all within a 2 hour drive except for Atlanta although I do have a personal best of 2 hours 45 min. (DAMHIDI)
If you don't care driving to see culture we have the Von Braun Civic Center with an attached Fine Art Museum with smaller more intimate halls for smaller concerts and art display tours.
Food? Oh lordy. We have it going on from greasy spoon dives you'll talk about for years thanks to the killer eats they serve to Ruth's Chris and a wild mix of some of the best Mexican, Asian, German, Italian, Indian, Korean and Chinese restaurants for picky eaters that don't comprehend pork BBQ. Did I mention BBQ? Yeah, we have that in spades and world recognized resteraunts whose sole menu item is Pork BBQ.
Speaking there of, time for me to hop out back and slam down some boneless PORK ribs and a PORK roast on the smoker! Dinner's gonna be NY strip steaks done on the cooker in a few hours.
Ya'll heathens behave and don't trash the joint, I'll be back later.
BBoy, you must have been in LA, Lower Alabama...
In North Alabama just for starters we have the technology hub of the Southeast in Cummings Research Park (snappy moron name? no??) which has some of the best high tech firms in the country designing and building all kinds of fun toys, mainly military hardware but there's others who hold down the civilian side of life like Adtran.
As for education we have 5 major Universities and a large amount of satellite universities as well as the states best Junior College system school, Calhoun (look that name up H8ers) Community College.
We have the Alabama Space and Rocket Center where you can literally walk right up to an honest to God Saturn V rocket that put men on the freaking moon. Did I mention that was designed and built here? Werner Von Braun lived here and built the industry from scratch, Goddard was a piker. So much for that 'backwards redneck cousin/sister humping knuckledragger' stereotype touted by those ill tempered, rude, Damn Yankee's.
We also have enough water thanks to the Tennessee River system as well as numerous small lakes to have all kinds of fun in and on.
We are the epicenter of other cities like Nashville, Birmingham, Atlanta and Chattanooga, all within a 2 hour drive except for Atlanta although I do have a personal best of 2 hours 45 min. (DAMHIDI)
If you don't care driving to see culture we have the Von Braun Civic Center with an attached Fine Art Museum with smaller more intimate halls for smaller concerts and art display tours.
Food? Oh lordy. We have it going on from greasy spoon dives you'll talk about for years thanks to the killer eats they serve to Ruth's Chris and a wild mix of some of the best Mexican, Asian, German, Italian, Indian, Korean and Chinese restaurants for picky eaters that don't comprehend pork BBQ. Did I mention BBQ? Yeah, we have that in spades and world recognized resteraunts whose sole menu item is Pork BBQ.
Speaking there of, time for me to hop out back and slam down some boneless PORK ribs and a PORK roast on the smoker! Dinner's gonna be NY strip steaks done on the cooker in a few hours.
Ya'll heathens behave and don't trash the joint, I'll be back later.
Posted by: Gmac- 'all politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at June 28, 2015 01:47 PM (4CRfK)
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Nothing beats my memories of the Florida Gulf Coast, per-commercialization. There's something about the Gulf of Mexico that captured my fancy, long ago.
Same here about Mobile. That city was not like the rest of the state back then. I'd like to go back to visit and take in a Senior Bowl and maybe Mardi Gras (the nation's very first one was held there) and check out the music scene.
I vaguely remember the Sesquicentennial down there when I was a wee Moron. Saw my first kangaroo court on the downtown square, everybody everywhere was hammered, saw a well-dressed lawyer-looking guy trying to drink a martini whilst balancing on the back of a city cop's motorcycle negotiating thru traffic.
It was a lot more French and like Nawlins than anywhere else.
Same here about Mobile. That city was not like the rest of the state back then. I'd like to go back to visit and take in a Senior Bowl and maybe Mardi Gras (the nation's very first one was held there) and check out the music scene.
I vaguely remember the Sesquicentennial down there when I was a wee Moron. Saw my first kangaroo court on the downtown square, everybody everywhere was hammered, saw a well-dressed lawyer-looking guy trying to drink a martini whilst balancing on the back of a city cop's motorcycle negotiating thru traffic.
It was a lot more French and like Nawlins than anywhere else.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 28, 2015 01:48 PM (eEb+d)
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Yep. On the other side of the river (Illinois), people will drive
dozens of miles from there, to shop at the freakin' Walmart, which is
just across the Jefferson Barracks bridge in south St. Louis County.
Wait until the one they're building on Watson Road right outside the city limits opens. All of South St. Louis will flood into it.
dozens of miles from there, to shop at the freakin' Walmart, which is
just across the Jefferson Barracks bridge in south St. Louis County.
Wait until the one they're building on Watson Road right outside the city limits opens. All of South St. Louis will flood into it.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 28, 2015 01:48 PM (oVJmc)
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What gets me, having grown up in Texas, is how you see all the BS in the media and elsewhere about how "backward" the South is supposed to be. I've traveled around this country extensively over the years, and I can tell that, for instance, the most racist state in the Union is Massachusetts. And they don't go out of their way to hide it either. And I've seen more "white trash" up north than I've ever seen in the South. And that includes out west as well. California, Washington State? Talk about a surfeit of trashy people. Indeed, what has ruined parts of Texas more than anything is the flood of Yankees that has come down here in the past 35 or so years, first back during the Carter economic crash, and now during the Obama economic crash, as in both cases, this was one of the few places in the country where there were jobs. Wish they had stayed where they came from, as with few exceptions most are just nest foulers. Turned the states they came from into Democrat shitholes, and now they are here wanting to do the same. Sheesh...
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at June 28, 2015 01:48 PM (AYY6Y)
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Never shop at Walmart at the beginning of the month that's when people's EBT cards get reloaded.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 28, 2015 01:45 PM (CxEX+)
And don't shop there the rest of the month, 'cause that's when my Uncle Everett gets loaded.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 28, 2015 01:45 PM (CxEX+)
And don't shop there the rest of the month, 'cause that's when my Uncle Everett gets loaded.
Posted by: jwpaine, otherized for your protection at June 28, 2015 01:48 PM (aiogl)
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Grump, how exactly are they crazy? I will admit Clevelanders love drinking beer, and love acting crazy during tailgate parties and at Browns games. And Cavs games, in good years.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at June 28, 2015 01:49 PM (9Y7bY)
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I've lived in Ohio most of my life. It's not my favorite place. I'd rather be in SC. It's going to be hard pulling he who hasn't missed an OSU home football game evah away from here though.
Posted by: Tuna at June 28, 2015 01:46 PM (JSovD)
Get ESPN game day and you will never miss a OSU game, Brother lives in Austin TX and he never misses a game.
Posted by: Tuna at June 28, 2015 01:46 PM (JSovD)
Get ESPN game day and you will never miss a OSU game, Brother lives in Austin TX and he never misses a game.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 28, 2015 01:50 PM (CxEX+)
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As to Boston " I didn't play for Boston . I played for the Celtics . Boston is a men dirty racist town " Bill Russell
Posted by: jay hoenemeyer at June 28, 2015 01:51 PM (uvj0z)
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Posted by: Gmac- 'all politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at June 28, 2015 01:47 PM (4CRfK)
I moved down here from Huntsville. My last job up there was at MSFC, working with a gentleman named Charlie Yeager, Chuck's second cousin. Went to UAH and gradiated from Butler HS.
I know that area very well.
I moved down here from Huntsville. My last job up there was at MSFC, working with a gentleman named Charlie Yeager, Chuck's second cousin. Went to UAH and gradiated from Butler HS.
I know that area very well.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 28, 2015 01:51 PM (eEb+d)
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Polish people are dumb. I see no evidence of that stereotype, and I grew up in a city with a decent sized Polish section.
Posted by: Lincolntf at June 28, 2015 01:51 PM (2cS/G)
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Born in Berea, KY (about 40 miles south of Lexington, home of Berea College and Boone Tavern). Mom and Dad were from near Corbin (about 30 miles north of Tennessee). U of KY grad, lived in KY for 48 years, south, central, and east. Generally feel safe anywhere in the state except a couple of select places. Now in West Virginia with my wife, a Charleston native. Have recently had people ask me how I like "Western Virginia", more than once. I'm not sure that they knew WV was a state. California is the only place anyone, upon learning I was from Kentucky, asked me "why are you wearing shoes" and, "why don't you have that accent?".
BTW, 98% of the competitive skeet shooters I have met from all over the world are the nicest people I've ever met.
And yes, I do like fried okra. The boiled or pickled stuff sets off my texture flag.
BTW, 98% of the competitive skeet shooters I have met from all over the world are the nicest people I've ever met.
And yes, I do like fried okra. The boiled or pickled stuff sets off my texture flag.
Posted by: Mark Baron (Okrathief) at June 28, 2015 01:51 PM (VXR9Q)
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Wait until the one they're building on Watson Road right outside the city limits opens. All of South St. Louis will flood into it.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 28, 2015 01:48 PM (oVJmc)
You mean right where the Shrewsbury metrolink station is?
Yeah... no thanks.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 28, 2015 01:48 PM (oVJmc)
You mean right where the Shrewsbury metrolink station is?
Yeah... no thanks.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 28, 2015 01:53 PM (Dj0WE)
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All the supermarkets seem to do it, but Whole Food seems to do it more than others. Buyer beware. I suggest bringing your own scale when you shop, but you'll probably be arrested or have your ass thrown out of the place..Good stuff
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 28, 2015 01:25 PM (/tNwW)
I've read about that issue of under-weighted food products. I wonder if it isn't more a case of ignorance, or incompetence, or flat-out illiteracy on the part of the staff doing the packaging. Like simply putting the stickers on the wrong packages of ground round. The guy who gets the 18 ounce package marked and priced as "14 ounces" ain't going to bitch, but the poor sucker who gets the converse will. And management sees nothing wrong, because the totals all tally up.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 28, 2015 01:25 PM (/tNwW)
I've read about that issue of under-weighted food products. I wonder if it isn't more a case of ignorance, or incompetence, or flat-out illiteracy on the part of the staff doing the packaging. Like simply putting the stickers on the wrong packages of ground round. The guy who gets the 18 ounce package marked and priced as "14 ounces" ain't going to bitch, but the poor sucker who gets the converse will. And management sees nothing wrong, because the totals all tally up.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 28, 2015 01:53 PM (5z2ng)
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389
No,no. He attends. Season tickets you know. Rain, shine, snowstorm, tornado, etc. makes no difference. He..must..be..there!
No,no. He attends. Season tickets you know. Rain, shine, snowstorm, tornado, etc. makes no difference. He..must..be..there!
Posted by: Tuna at June 28, 2015 01:53 PM (JSovD)
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Polish people are dumb. I see no evidence of that stereotype, and I grew up in a city with a decent sized Polish section.
Posted by: Lincolntf at June 28, 2015 01:51 PM (2cS/G)
I've never seen people loading dead babies into the back of a pickup truck with a pitchfork, either. Sometimes, despite your best intentions, you're gonna be the butt of a joke or two.
Posted by: Lincolntf at June 28, 2015 01:51 PM (2cS/G)
I've never seen people loading dead babies into the back of a pickup truck with a pitchfork, either. Sometimes, despite your best intentions, you're gonna be the butt of a joke or two.
Posted by: jwpaine, otherized for your protection at June 28, 2015 01:54 PM (aiogl)
Posted by: Mama AJ at June 28, 2015 01:55 PM (0xTsz)
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Boston - The drivers are complete assholes. Traffic signs and lights are only roadside decorations.
Posted by: billypaintbrush at June 28, 2015 01:56 PM (cSSBx)
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Y-not, my suggestion is for you to visit Starkville, MS. Probably the best blend of old/New/True South you'll find.
Posted by: Country Singer at June 28, 2015 01:57 PM (nL0sw)
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Nood music/open.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 28, 2015 01:57 PM (eEb+d)
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Grump, how exactly are they crazy?
Uninhibited to the point of self-destruction. I had a roommate from Garfield Heights that could give drunken Irishmen a run for their money.
Uninhibited to the point of self-destruction. I had a roommate from Garfield Heights that could give drunken Irishmen a run for their money.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 28, 2015 01:58 PM (rwI+c)
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FWIW, Steele Magnolias was filmed in Natchitoches.
Posted by: unfatmatt at June 28, 2015 01:31 PM (kyTFr)
Nacogdoches was the twin brother of Natchitoches
Posted by: unfatmatt at June 28, 2015 01:31 PM (kyTFr)
Nacogdoches was the twin brother of Natchitoches
Posted by: Velvet Ambition greatest thing since before sliced bread at June 28, 2015 01:58 PM (R8hU8)
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Anna Maria Island, north of Longboat Key in the Gulf. Back before the real estate market swallowed the place up, there were few places on earth I would rather have been than right there, on a May evening at sunset. Tranquility personified.
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at June 28, 2015 01:58 PM (Dwehj)
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I've traveled around this country extensively over
the years, and I can tell that, for instance, the most racist state in
the Union is Massachusetts. And they don't go out of their way to hide
it either.
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at June 28, 2015 01:48 PM (AYY6Y)
That was my impression as well (of Boston; don't know about the rest of the state). I'd expected the milk of liberal kindness to flow, and racial amity to rule. Boy, was I disappointed.
Wish they had stayed where they came from, as with few
exceptions most are just nest foulers. Turned the states they came from
into Democrat shitholes, and now they are here wanting to do the same.
Sheesh...
Ah, so like California in the 1970s?
the years, and I can tell that, for instance, the most racist state in
the Union is Massachusetts. And they don't go out of their way to hide
it either.
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at June 28, 2015 01:48 PM (AYY6Y)
That was my impression as well (of Boston; don't know about the rest of the state). I'd expected the milk of liberal kindness to flow, and racial amity to rule. Boy, was I disappointed.
Wish they had stayed where they came from, as with few
exceptions most are just nest foulers. Turned the states they came from
into Democrat shitholes, and now they are here wanting to do the same.
Sheesh...
Ah, so like California in the 1970s?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 28, 2015 01:58 PM (oKE6c)
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I travel occasionally with a friend who contracts with McDonalds, probably have visited thousands of restaurants. Like Walmart, they vary all over the place in cleanliness and order. Most of the big city ones are pretty bad. Small town ones are usually pretty nice. I hope I don't sound racist..Only visit the big city ones on Sunday morning!
Posted by: Colin at June 28, 2015 01:59 PM (WQLtV)
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Got called away. Thanks for the info on Schroon lake, Ramon!
Posted by: Mega at June 28, 2015 01:59 PM (9Du4t)
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My cut is that stereotypes exist because they are formed by the limbic brain to permit a survival instinct of quickly assessing a situation and choosing no problem (stick around), flight (run like hell), or fight (reason is NOT going to work here).
That they continue to exist in these enlightened peaceable times is because there is ALWAYS an element of truth in them. Note I am not saying all (or indeed any) stereotypes are absolute, iron-clad, or infallible, just that your gut instinct needs to be able to draw on them in many situations and they form a framework for situations requiring immediate decisions where there is no time to gather further information and reflect on how you might possibly be misjudging people.
That they continue to exist in these enlightened peaceable times is because there is ALWAYS an element of truth in them. Note I am not saying all (or indeed any) stereotypes are absolute, iron-clad, or infallible, just that your gut instinct needs to be able to draw on them in many situations and they form a framework for situations requiring immediate decisions where there is no time to gather further information and reflect on how you might possibly be misjudging people.
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 28, 2015 01:59 PM (ftVQq)
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I've lived in Ohio most of my life. It's not my favorite place. I'd rather be in SC. It's going to be hard pulling he who hasn't missed an OSU home football game evah away from here though.
You will learn to love the SEC. It's essentially the same game that OSU plays: Power Football.
You will learn to love the SEC. It's essentially the same game that OSU plays: Power Football.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 28, 2015 01:59 PM (rwI+c)
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Sadly, in my area WalMart has made their stores the same. Used to be fun going to the different ones and seeing different stuff and sales. Could pick up XLT clothing at one where the others did not carry tall stuff (and socks for size 17 feet). Now they are all the same, even the quirky one I used to enjoy.
Posted by: mustbequantum at June 28, 2015 02:00 PM (MIKMs)
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I'd expected the milk of liberal kindness to flow, and racial amity to rule.
Liberal kindness is condescension, and they practice it to try to cover up their contempt.
Liberal kindness is condescension, and they practice it to try to cover up their contempt.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 28, 2015 02:00 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Ralph at June 28, 2015 02:01 PM (DYDUy)
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Bill Russell definitely had a long angry black man streak. But some of those Boston fans in the 50s and 60s WERE in fact, openly racist. He played when hotel owners would refuse to let black players stay at their hotels, was refused meals at restaurants on road trips, he knew real racism. Blaming the entire City was narrow-minded and shortsighted, but Russell did eventually mature and "reconcile" with the fans and City, culminating in a re-retirement ceremony at the new Garden and a bronze statue at City Hall plaza.
Posted by: Lincolntf at June 28, 2015 02:01 PM (2cS/G)
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399 Boston - The drivers are complete assholes. Traffic signs and lights are only roadside decorations.
Posted by: billypaintbrush at June 28, 2015 01:56 PM (cSSBx)
Yep. I drove a new car across country to Boston, and almost got rear-ended several times for stopping at a light that turned yellow. Brakes screeching behind me, and a warm Bostonian welcome yelled to the idiot in front with California plates who didn't know that ~4 cars usually go through on the red light.
Guys in the gym there used to brag about how many accidents they'd been in. I couldn't believe it. That's like bragging about how many bouts of impotence you've had.
But my favorite story was once, walking home, I saw a guy drive up on a median strip to go around and then cut off ... an ambulance with its lights and sirens on. True story.
Posted by: billypaintbrush at June 28, 2015 01:56 PM (cSSBx)
Yep. I drove a new car across country to Boston, and almost got rear-ended several times for stopping at a light that turned yellow. Brakes screeching behind me, and a warm Bostonian welcome yelled to the idiot in front with California plates who didn't know that ~4 cars usually go through on the red light.
Guys in the gym there used to brag about how many accidents they'd been in. I couldn't believe it. That's like bragging about how many bouts of impotence you've had.
But my favorite story was once, walking home, I saw a guy drive up on a median strip to go around and then cut off ... an ambulance with its lights and sirens on. True story.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 28, 2015 02:02 PM (oKE6c)
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Thinking further afield, one stereotype about the British that turns out to be absolutely true is that they'll tell you something -- and that's as far as their responsibility goes. As an example, the London Tube system is famous for having a recording that says, "mind the gap" whenever a train pulls into the station -- because sometimes the train is almost two feet from the platform when it stops.
To this American, I can't help but think, "this system is 150 years old. They've had signs for 150 years about the gap, and they put in sound recordings for the last 50 years....but in all this time, why didn't they fix the gap???
To this American, I can't help but think, "this system is 150 years old. They've had signs for 150 years about the gap, and they put in sound recordings for the last 50 years....but in all this time, why didn't they fix the gap???
Posted by: cthulhu at June 28, 2015 02:04 PM (EzgxV)
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To this American, I can't help but think, "this system is 150 years old. They've had signs for 150 years about the gap, and they put in sound recordings for the last 50 years....but in all this time, why didn't they fix the gap???
Posted by: cthulhu at June 28, 2015 02:04 PM (EzgxV)
Unions, most likely.
Posted by: cthulhu at June 28, 2015 02:04 PM (EzgxV)
Unions, most likely.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 28, 2015 02:06 PM (5z2ng)
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Thinking about this last night it occurred to me: what we've lost is "honor."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 28, 2015 01:41 PM (oKE6c)
Sadly, "Our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor" is a phrase you aren't likely to hear anytime soon (or maybe ever again) in mainstream America!
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 28, 2015 01:41 PM (oKE6c)
Sadly, "Our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor" is a phrase you aren't likely to hear anytime soon (or maybe ever again) in mainstream America!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 28, 2015 02:06 PM (ftVQq)
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To this American, I can't help but think, "this
system is 150 years old. They've had signs for 150 years about the gap,
and they put in sound recordings for the last 50 years....but in all
this time, why didn't they fix the gap???
Posted by: cthulhu at June 28, 2015 02:04 PM (EzgxV)
Fixing a problem, or indeed changing anything that's long been extant, is a very un-British thing to do. They're amazingly bound by precedent, which, once set, is iron-clad and immutable, no matter how dysfunctional it manifestly is. Doing something literally once is sufficient to set a precedent that must be observed thereafter. Easy to see where the common law came from.
system is 150 years old. They've had signs for 150 years about the gap,
and they put in sound recordings for the last 50 years....but in all
this time, why didn't they fix the gap???
Posted by: cthulhu at June 28, 2015 02:04 PM (EzgxV)
Fixing a problem, or indeed changing anything that's long been extant, is a very un-British thing to do. They're amazingly bound by precedent, which, once set, is iron-clad and immutable, no matter how dysfunctional it manifestly is. Doing something literally once is sufficient to set a precedent that must be observed thereafter. Easy to see where the common law came from.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 28, 2015 02:07 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Cursed With a Logical Mind at June 28, 2015 02:08 PM (nQHxM)
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I thought my husband was crazy for complaining about the drivers here.
Then for a while I was driving more and I started to understand.
They are pretty good. No one cuts you off, they are polite, what could be the problem??
Then you get to a 4 way stop just after another car does. But the other driver doesn't want to be rude and is careful and waits. So you gesture go ahead. And they wave back and then slowly start going again.
This takes longer than if they were slightly rude...
Things like this happen 18 times in a 5 mile drive and you notice you've developed a slight twitch.
"NO, DON'T LET THAT GUY IN THE PARKING LOT INTO TRAFFIC, JUST MOVE SO I CAN GO."
And don't get me started about the two-way stops and the people who are convinced they are 4-way stops. Yes, they are in between two 4-way stops, but see, if it doesn't actually have 4 stop signs...ah forget it.
Then for a while I was driving more and I started to understand.
They are pretty good. No one cuts you off, they are polite, what could be the problem??
Then you get to a 4 way stop just after another car does. But the other driver doesn't want to be rude and is careful and waits. So you gesture go ahead. And they wave back and then slowly start going again.
This takes longer than if they were slightly rude...
Things like this happen 18 times in a 5 mile drive and you notice you've developed a slight twitch.
"NO, DON'T LET THAT GUY IN THE PARKING LOT INTO TRAFFIC, JUST MOVE SO I CAN GO."
And don't get me started about the two-way stops and the people who are convinced they are 4-way stops. Yes, they are in between two 4-way stops, but see, if it doesn't actually have 4 stop signs...ah forget it.
Posted by: Mama AJ at June 28, 2015 02:09 PM (0xTsz)
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Sadly, "Our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred
honor" is a phrase you aren't likely to hear anytime soon (or maybe ever
again) in mainstream America!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 28, 2015 02:06 PM (ftVQq)
The phrase "sacred honor" is now only used as a joke. Like that guy (whose name I've forgotten) who said "sacred honor compelled him" to confess to bonking Nikki Haley, IIRC.
honor" is a phrase you aren't likely to hear anytime soon (or maybe ever
again) in mainstream America!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 28, 2015 02:06 PM (ftVQq)
The phrase "sacred honor" is now only used as a joke. Like that guy (whose name I've forgotten) who said "sacred honor compelled him" to confess to bonking Nikki Haley, IIRC.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 28, 2015 02:09 PM (oKE6c)
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Southern driving tip:
Never honk your horn unless it's a quick tap to get someone's attention that you already know so that you can wave hello to them. Any other use is considered rude, even if it results in your dying in a fiery crash.
Never honk your horn unless it's a quick tap to get someone's attention that you already know so that you can wave hello to them. Any other use is considered rude, even if it results in your dying in a fiery crash.
Posted by: Country Singer at June 28, 2015 02:11 PM (nL0sw)
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409
Again, "he" is a born, bred, attended OSU fanatic. Will never come to love the SEC. Never, ever. Oh he watches all the college football games he can, admires the teams, etc., knows we cannot be champs every year but will never love a team like he loves OSU. Ain't gonna happen. Thus the conception of Central OH residents being obsessed with the Buckeyes is totally justified.
Again, "he" is a born, bred, attended OSU fanatic. Will never come to love the SEC. Never, ever. Oh he watches all the college football games he can, admires the teams, etc., knows we cannot be champs every year but will never love a team like he loves OSU. Ain't gonna happen. Thus the conception of Central OH residents being obsessed with the Buckeyes is totally justified.
Posted by: Tuna at June 28, 2015 02:13 PM (JSovD)
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422 Southern driving tip:
Never honk your horn unless it's a quick tap to get someone's attention that you already know so that you can wave hello to them. Any other use is considered rude, even if it results in your dying in a fiery crash.
Posted by: Country Singer at June 28, 2015 02:11 PM (nL0sw)
Third World driving etiquette: drive down the middle of the road with your hand continuously on the horn, only swerving at the last second to avoid any oncoming traffic.
That style is almost a free-standing diagnostic of a Third World country.
Never honk your horn unless it's a quick tap to get someone's attention that you already know so that you can wave hello to them. Any other use is considered rude, even if it results in your dying in a fiery crash.
Posted by: Country Singer at June 28, 2015 02:11 PM (nL0sw)
Third World driving etiquette: drive down the middle of the road with your hand continuously on the horn, only swerving at the last second to avoid any oncoming traffic.
That style is almost a free-standing diagnostic of a Third World country.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 28, 2015 02:15 PM (oKE6c)
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I'm probably the wrong person to ask about regional stereotypes, since I've lived in one place (Chicago) all my life, minus five years at university in Toronto. I've done most of my travelling by listening to people rather than visiting places; and one thing I have notice, is that stereotypes tend to adhere not to places so much as to accents. Obama, for example, has the reputation of being intelligent in large part (IMHO) because he speaks in a pure mid-Atlantic accent, like a news reader. He can speak the most outrageous nonsense and people will nod their heads in agreement because he's said in the accent you expect from a college professor. By contrast, Sarah Palin was immediately pegged as a dolt because (again, IMHO) she has a rural accent, complete with hard R's at the end of words; and we urban sophisticates know that only sister-screwing rednecks talk like that. Speak Southern, and you'll be dismissed as a racist. Talk black, and many will assume you're stupid (unfortunate, but true); and that's also the case if you speak with a "yondah lies duh kessel of my faddah"-style New York accent. Professor Henry Higgins could teach us a thing or two about how we classify people by the way they speak.
We Chicagoans speak normally, of course. It's everyone else who sounds odd.
We Chicagoans speak normally, of course. It's everyone else who sounds odd.
Posted by: Brown Line at June 28, 2015 02:15 PM (a5bF3)
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I read a story on one tube station this woman would always show up and just stand there never got on, one day the cop had ask why she was coming turns out that her husband did a recording for the stop and she went there just to hear his voice, then one day they did an update and they got rid of his voice and she stopped coming to the station. The cop got in touch with Tube management and got the recording for her to keep.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 28, 2015 02:15 PM (CxEX+)
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Again, "he" is a born, bred, attended OSU fanatic. Will never come to love the SEC. Never, ever. Oh he watches all the college football games he can, admires the teams, etc., knows we cannot be champs every year but will never love a team like he loves OSU. Ain't gonna happen. Thus the conception of Central OH residents being obsessed with the Buckeyes is totally justified.
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1000% true
Again, "he" is a born, bred, attended OSU fanatic. Will never come to love the SEC. Never, ever. Oh he watches all the college football games he can, admires the teams, etc., knows we cannot be champs every year but will never love a team like he loves OSU. Ain't gonna happen. Thus the conception of Central OH residents being obsessed with the Buckeyes is totally justified.
Posted by: Tuna a
1000% true
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 28, 2015 02:18 PM (CxEX+)
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Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 28, 2015 02:09 PM (oKE6c)
Somehow, I think everybody is better off when a society, in general, has a sense of honor.
Nah, that's just crazy talk!
Somehow, I think everybody is better off when a society, in general, has a sense of honor.
Nah, that's just crazy talk!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 28, 2015 02:18 PM (ftVQq)
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426 That's so sad. Glad she got a copy f the tape.
Posted by: @votermom at June 28, 2015 02:19 PM (zxu+6)
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Come on down to Oxford, Mississippi. Most beautiful Southern women in the world. College campus. SEC football. Fine restaurants and dining. An old city square. Low cost of living.
After that, head west into the MS Delta (Clarksdale, Greenwood, Greenville) and find old blues establishments. Really any experience you won't find anywhere else in this country.
After that, head west into the MS Delta (Clarksdale, Greenwood, Greenville) and find old blues establishments. Really any experience you won't find anywhere else in this country.
Posted by: Penguin at June 28, 2015 02:20 PM (XyFDE)
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Posted by: Mama AJ at June 28, 2015 02:09 PM (0xTsz)
Oh yeah, I think that's kind of a small town/rural Southern thing. And here in northern Arkansas, who goes first is often determined by gender and/or age.
I used to think it was the innate chivalry of these glorious Southern men, but I am now leaning more towards a well developed sense of self-preservation. I think they want the women drivers and half-blind old folks ahead where they can keep an eye on them....
Oh yeah, I think that's kind of a small town/rural Southern thing. And here in northern Arkansas, who goes first is often determined by gender and/or age.
I used to think it was the innate chivalry of these glorious Southern men, but I am now leaning more towards a well developed sense of self-preservation. I think they want the women drivers and half-blind old folks ahead where they can keep an eye on them....
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 02:20 PM (BVDFs)
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1000 1/2 % true. If Urban and the team even come close to losing a game this season the nutso crowd will be calling for a new coach. Just wait an' see
1000 1/2 % true. If Urban and the team even come close to losing a game this season the nutso crowd will be calling for a new coach. Just wait an' see
Posted by: Tuna at June 28, 2015 02:24 PM (JSovD)
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Heard Kerry uses a mechanical lift in order to board his plane.
Can he walk?
His plane?
Also heard it was an assassination attempt. No video, no images.
Can he walk?
His plane?
Also heard it was an assassination attempt. No video, no images.
Posted by: Ralph at June 28, 2015 02:24 PM (DYDUy)
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1000 1/2 % true. If Urban and the team even come close to losing a game this season the nutso crowd will be calling for a new coach. Just wait an' see
1000 1/2 % true. If Urban and the team even come close to losing a game this season the nutso crowd will be calling for a new coach. Just wait an' see
Posted by: Tuna at June 28, 2015 02:25 PM (JSovD)
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Heard Kerry uses a mechanical lift in order to board his plane.
Can he walk?
His plane?
Also heard it was an assassination attempt. No video, no images.
Can he walk?
His plane?
Also heard it was an assassination attempt. No video, no images.
Posted by: Ralph at June 28, 2015 02:25 PM (DYDUy)
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425 On accent stereotypes:
I remember James Marsters saying once that he's glad they gave Spike a British accent because that's one of the reasons the character became a favorite villain on Buffy.
If they'd given him a Southern accent he'd probably had be killed off after one season.
I remember James Marsters saying once that he's glad they gave Spike a British accent because that's one of the reasons the character became a favorite villain on Buffy.
If they'd given him a Southern accent he'd probably had be killed off after one season.
Posted by: @votermom at June 28, 2015 02:26 PM (cbfNE)
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425 On accent stereotypes:
I remember James Marsters saying once that he's glad they gave Spike a British accent because that's one of the reasons the character became a favorite villain on Buffy.
If they'd given him a Southern accent he'd probably had be killed off after one season.
I remember James Marsters saying once that he's glad they gave Spike a British accent because that's one of the reasons the character became a favorite villain on Buffy.
If they'd given him a Southern accent he'd probably had be killed off after one season.
Posted by: @votermom at June 28, 2015 02:26 PM (cbfNE)
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425 On accent stereotypes:
I remember James Marsters saying once that he's glad they gave Spike a British accent because that's one of the reasons the character became a favorite villain on Buffy.
If they'd given him a Southern accent he'd probably had be killed off after one season.
I remember James Marsters saying once that he's glad they gave Spike a British accent because that's one of the reasons the character became a favorite villain on Buffy.
If they'd given him a Southern accent he'd probably had be killed off after one season.
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Posted by: Joan of Argghh! at June 28, 2015 01:15 PM (4JIfh)
Pretty good analysis, especially the class issue, which is exacerbated by the outsiders coming in being condescending to blacks to prove they aren't like the icky racist locals.
Pretty good analysis, especially the class issue, which is exacerbated by the outsiders coming in being condescending to blacks to prove they aren't like the icky racist locals.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 02:27 PM (BVDFs)
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Pixy's hamsters are going nuts on this thread, too. The music thread is fairly fubar'd right now, I get a 504 Gateway timeout when I post a comment.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 28, 2015 02:29 PM (eEb+d)
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"I suggest bringing your own scale when you shop"
HEB's answer to Whole Foods has an interesting set up. You weigh your own produce and they print out a label for you right there while you're shopping so the cashier can easily scan things when you check out. No clue if it's any more accurate than the scale at the cash register, but it does make checking out go more quickly.
HEB's answer to Whole Foods has an interesting set up. You weigh your own produce and they print out a label for you right there while you're shopping so the cashier can easily scan things when you check out. No clue if it's any more accurate than the scale at the cash register, but it does make checking out go more quickly.
Posted by: lauren at June 28, 2015 02:30 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Ralph at June 28, 2015 02:31 PM (DYDUy)
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While you're there, sample some "Natchitoches Meat Pies," an unparalleled Louisiana delicacy.
Don't forget to try our Tamales!!!
Don't forget to try our Tamales!!!
Posted by: Zwolle Chamber of Commerce at June 28, 2015 02:32 PM (4DCSq)
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>> I think they want the women drivers and half-blind old folks ahead where they can keep an eye on them....
ROFL.
ROFL.
Posted by: Mama AJ at June 28, 2015 02:34 PM (0xTsz)
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Yep, Oxford, Starksville... MS overall is a great place to find the South.
Go in the Fall, though. Spring is lovely everywhere in the South, but you need to get the full SEC football experience. If you could wrangle a tailgate invite, you'd love it. (Not that rabid college football and epic tailgating is exclusive to the South by any means, but it will add to your Southern experience.)
Go in the Fall, though. Spring is lovely everywhere in the South, but you need to get the full SEC football experience. If you could wrangle a tailgate invite, you'd love it. (Not that rabid college football and epic tailgating is exclusive to the South by any means, but it will add to your Southern experience.)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 02:37 PM (BVDFs)
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"I've never been but my husband has been to most of the country and swears that Boston is the most racist city he's ever set foot in"
The last two MLB teams to integrate were the Cardinals (St. Louis was the southernmost MLB city at the time) and the Red Sox. Then there were the school busing riots in the '70s ...
The last two MLB teams to integrate were the Cardinals (St. Louis was the southernmost MLB city at the time) and the Red Sox. Then there were the school busing riots in the '70s ...
Posted by: FOAF at June 28, 2015 02:42 PM (eVemY)
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Haven't travelled a lot and when we did it was super highways all the way because time was short or it was a family emergency. No real pleasure in it. I hate to fly and did even before The TSA crap began.
But Mrs. JTB and I love paper maps. We raided the local AAA office and got a bunch of them. I swore when we can get away for leisure, it will be on smaller, secondary roads where we can see the land and meet people. Maybe I've read "Travels With Charley" too many times but it sure sounds appealing.
But Mrs. JTB and I love paper maps. We raided the local AAA office and got a bunch of them. I swore when we can get away for leisure, it will be on smaller, secondary roads where we can see the land and meet people. Maybe I've read "Travels With Charley" too many times but it sure sounds appealing.
Posted by: JTB at June 28, 2015 02:49 PM (FvdPb)
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Posted by: lauren at June 28, 2015 02:30 PM (MYCIw)
Wegmans does the same thing. So I just bring my NBS 16 oz weight and double check the scales before I weigh anything, just in case.
Wegmans does the same thing. So I just bring my NBS 16 oz weight and double check the scales before I weigh anything, just in case.
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 28, 2015 02:52 PM (ftVQq)
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You wanna a truly experience the South, be it polite or dirty?
Come spend 4 months her during college football season and travel to every rivalry game then get up the next morning and find the smallest Baptist Church in town.
Most SEC schools are not in mega cities and places like Athens and Oxford are beautiful. The true native Floridian is well represented in Gainesville (get south of there and you are just dealing with snow-birds). The reason I think this is a good snapshot of the south is that football is second in line (well behind Jesus and slightly ahead of family) in order of importance. Football games attract everyone from the true blue-blood to your Larry The Cable Guy stereotype.
The South is innacurately viewed as a homogenous whole, but I'll tell you that there is a world of difference between Appalachain mountain folk in Tennessee and the Carolinas, the thoroughbred community in Kentucky, the Georgia suth-un drawl y'all and a Loo-Ze-Anna coon-ass.
I will tell you that in order to follow the SEC tour of the South, you'll need to keep in mind that unfortunately we havw annexed a few interlopers like Mizzou and Texas A & M that don't fit the model (but God bless Texas, they are their own geographic region IMO).
If you have time, pitch in a tour of a few Southern Ivy League schools like Emory, Sewanee, Washington and Lee, Centre and others and you'll find a lot of history there as well.
Best of luck in your travels, bless your heart and we'll be praying for you. Y'all come back now, ya hear?
Come spend 4 months her during college football season and travel to every rivalry game then get up the next morning and find the smallest Baptist Church in town.
Most SEC schools are not in mega cities and places like Athens and Oxford are beautiful. The true native Floridian is well represented in Gainesville (get south of there and you are just dealing with snow-birds). The reason I think this is a good snapshot of the south is that football is second in line (well behind Jesus and slightly ahead of family) in order of importance. Football games attract everyone from the true blue-blood to your Larry The Cable Guy stereotype.
The South is innacurately viewed as a homogenous whole, but I'll tell you that there is a world of difference between Appalachain mountain folk in Tennessee and the Carolinas, the thoroughbred community in Kentucky, the Georgia suth-un drawl y'all and a Loo-Ze-Anna coon-ass.
I will tell you that in order to follow the SEC tour of the South, you'll need to keep in mind that unfortunately we havw annexed a few interlopers like Mizzou and Texas A & M that don't fit the model (but God bless Texas, they are their own geographic region IMO).
If you have time, pitch in a tour of a few Southern Ivy League schools like Emory, Sewanee, Washington and Lee, Centre and others and you'll find a lot of history there as well.
Best of luck in your travels, bless your heart and we'll be praying for you. Y'all come back now, ya hear?
Posted by: All but the crying at June 28, 2015 02:54 PM (y7Ydn)
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You wanna a truly experience the South, be it polite or dirty?
Come spend 4 months her during college football season and travel to every rivalry game then get up the next morning and find the smallest Baptist Church in town.
Most SEC schools are not in mega cities and places like Athens and Oxford are beautiful. The true native Floridian is well represented in Gainesville (get south of there and you are just dealing with snow-birds). The reason I think this is a good snapshot of the south is that football is second in line (well behind Jesus and slightly ahead of family) in order of importance. Football games attract everyone from the true blue-blood to your Larry The Cable Guy stereotype.
The South is innacurately viewed as a homogenous whole, but I'll tell you that there is a world of difference between Appalachain mountain folk in Tennessee and the Carolinas, the thoroughbred community in Kentucky, the Georgia suth-un drawl y'all and a Loo-Ze-Anna coon-ass.
I will tell you that in order to follow the SEC tour of the South, you'll need to keep in mind that unfortunately we havw annexed a few interlopers like Mizzou and Texas A & M that don't fit the model (but God bless Texas, they are their own geographic region IMO).
If you have time, pitch in a tour of a few Southern Ivy League schools like Emory, Sewanee, Washington and Lee, Centre and others and you'll find a lot of history there as well.
Best of luck in your travels, bless your heart and we'll be praying for you. Y'all come back now, ya hear?
Come spend 4 months her during college football season and travel to every rivalry game then get up the next morning and find the smallest Baptist Church in town.
Most SEC schools are not in mega cities and places like Athens and Oxford are beautiful. The true native Floridian is well represented in Gainesville (get south of there and you are just dealing with snow-birds). The reason I think this is a good snapshot of the south is that football is second in line (well behind Jesus and slightly ahead of family) in order of importance. Football games attract everyone from the true blue-blood to your Larry The Cable Guy stereotype.
The South is innacurately viewed as a homogenous whole, but I'll tell you that there is a world of difference between Appalachain mountain folk in Tennessee and the Carolinas, the thoroughbred community in Kentucky, the Georgia suth-un drawl y'all and a Loo-Ze-Anna coon-ass.
I will tell you that in order to follow the SEC tour of the South, you'll need to keep in mind that unfortunately we havw annexed a few interlopers like Mizzou and Texas A & M that don't fit the model (but God bless Texas, they are their own geographic region IMO).
If you have time, pitch in a tour of a few Southern Ivy League schools like Emory, Sewanee, Washington and Lee, Centre and others and you'll find a lot of history there as well.
Best of luck in your travels, bless your heart and we'll be praying for you. Y'all come back now, ya hear?
Posted by: All but the crying at June 28, 2015 02:54 PM (y7Ydn)
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Posted by: Gmac- 'all politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at June 28, 2015 01:47 PM (4CRfK)
I moved down here from Huntsville. My last job up there was at MSFC,
working with a gentleman named Charlie Yeager, Chuck's second cousin.
Went to UAH and gradiated from Butler HS.
I know that area very well.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t
I'm betting the farm we've crossed paths BB.
I graduated from Butler too, '73. They just closed the school, memorabilia is up for auction, sports trophy's, band and other items if you were so inclined. I was a Yellow Section slacker so not on any sports stuff.
Worked out at MSFC for Bendix on the Shuttle '78-'80 and various other subs, Also attended UAH till Calculus IV and Physics IV exams made them ask me to leave till I was more motivated. Getting knee dragging drunk the night before finals was not the smartest decision I've ever made but then again, I was just a wee moron-in-training back then.
Posted by: Gmac- 'all politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at June 28, 2015 01:47 PM (4CRfK)
I moved down here from Huntsville. My last job up there was at MSFC,
working with a gentleman named Charlie Yeager, Chuck's second cousin.
Went to UAH and gradiated from Butler HS.
I know that area very well.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t
I'm betting the farm we've crossed paths BB.
I graduated from Butler too, '73. They just closed the school, memorabilia is up for auction, sports trophy's, band and other items if you were so inclined. I was a Yellow Section slacker so not on any sports stuff.
Worked out at MSFC for Bendix on the Shuttle '78-'80 and various other subs, Also attended UAH till Calculus IV and Physics IV exams made them ask me to leave till I was more motivated. Getting knee dragging drunk the night before finals was not the smartest decision I've ever made but then again, I was just a wee moron-in-training back then.
Posted by: Gmac- 'all politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at June 28, 2015 02:54 PM (4CRfK)
Posted by: Gmac- 'all politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at June 28, 2015 02:57 PM (4CRfK)
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Gmac and BB, my dad had the choice to be in the space program early on. At first the missile plant was in Detroit paired with the tank plant. Dad decided to stay in MI while his best friend went to build Canaveral. He also said Von Braun was the biggest ass he had ever met!
Posted by: FCF at June 28, 2015 03:09 PM (kejii)
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Go to Charleston.
Posted by: Cindy Munford at June 28, 2015 03:10 PM (7Lm22)
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The 'True South' is dead. Sherman killed it.
That's not much of an exaggeration. The post-reconstruction period ( which apparently isn't over, viz. recent events) was very socially and economically destructive.
Over the last 30 years or so, we have been swarmed by the locusts again. The two small towns that I have lived in for extended periods are mere shadows of their former selves.
We have a saying hereabouts, "The Yankees are back, and this time they brought bulldozers". Southern culture isn't dead, but it is being stamped into the ground by the influx of people from other places.
The urban centers are, or are becoming swamps of Democrat dominated politics. Atlanta is long gone. I will leave Jane D'oh to comment on Savannah. Charleston is under occupation again.
I'm not certain regarding, say, Mobile, but I think the rest of Alabama's cites have fallen to the second wave.
There are certainly some small towns that have not yet been overwhelmed, and which retain their culture, but they are likely to be so small that there isn't much to see or do there.
Sorry toseem be so jaundiced, but there it is.
Anecdotally, there was a girl from Connecticut that I was dating at one time. She was going to school in Columbia, SC and asked me about visiting "Old Atlanta". I asked her if she had ever seen "Gone With the Wind". "Oh, yes", she replied. "Well," sez I, "remember the part with the flames?"
That's not much of an exaggeration. The post-reconstruction period ( which apparently isn't over, viz. recent events) was very socially and economically destructive.
Over the last 30 years or so, we have been swarmed by the locusts again. The two small towns that I have lived in for extended periods are mere shadows of their former selves.
We have a saying hereabouts, "The Yankees are back, and this time they brought bulldozers". Southern culture isn't dead, but it is being stamped into the ground by the influx of people from other places.
The urban centers are, or are becoming swamps of Democrat dominated politics. Atlanta is long gone. I will leave Jane D'oh to comment on Savannah. Charleston is under occupation again.
I'm not certain regarding, say, Mobile, but I think the rest of Alabama's cites have fallen to the second wave.
There are certainly some small towns that have not yet been overwhelmed, and which retain their culture, but they are likely to be so small that there isn't much to see or do there.
Sorry to
Anecdotally, there was a girl from Connecticut that I was dating at one time. She was going to school in Columbia, SC and asked me about visiting "Old Atlanta". I asked her if she had ever seen "Gone With the Wind". "Oh, yes", she replied. "Well," sez I, "remember the part with the flames?"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 28, 2015 03:11 PM (F2IAQ)
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Anecdotally, there was a girl from Connecticut that I
was dating at one time. She was going to school in Columbia, SC and
asked me about visiting "Old Atlanta". I asked her if she had ever seen
"Gone With the Wind". "Oh, yes", she replied. "Well," sez I, "remember
the part with the flames?"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 28, 2015 03:11 PM (F2IAQ)
Atlanta had already began losing its "Southerness" in the early 60s. I blame Coca cola. Most of the rest of the State disowned it long ago.
was dating at one time. She was going to school in Columbia, SC and
asked me about visiting "Old Atlanta". I asked her if she had ever seen
"Gone With the Wind". "Oh, yes", she replied. "Well," sez I, "remember
the part with the flames?"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 28, 2015 03:11 PM (F2IAQ)
Atlanta had already began losing its "Southerness" in the early 60s. I blame Coca cola. Most of the rest of the State disowned it long ago.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 03:23 PM (GpgJl)
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Heh, a lot of Brits must watch Breaking Bad, considering "Meth" is right over where the show was set. 
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Posted by: pmcea at June 28, 2015 03:43 PM (NbIAV)
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Yeah, who needs flush toilets and electricity when an outhouse and kerosene lamps will do.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 12:58 PM (GpgJl)
I tell you what, I'm having an outhouse dug come Fall. We lose power a lot here, and we're on a well, so no power, no flush. They're going to finish it on the inside and put a real door on it, so I won't have to worry about bugs and snakes and such.
I'm glad I have indoor facilities, don't get me wrong, but I grew up with an outhouse, so I'm not fussed by having to use one in an emergency.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 28, 2015 12:58 PM (GpgJl)
I tell you what, I'm having an outhouse dug come Fall. We lose power a lot here, and we're on a well, so no power, no flush. They're going to finish it on the inside and put a real door on it, so I won't have to worry about bugs and snakes and such.
I'm glad I have indoor facilities, don't get me wrong, but I grew up with an outhouse, so I'm not fussed by having to use one in an emergency.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 03:49 PM (BVDFs)
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My only experiences in Philly and Boston were when I spent a day+ in each place to see Game 6 of the 2010 Stanley Cup Final in Philly and 2013 Stanley Cup Final in Boston.
In Philly, we arrived the day of the game and walked around downtown to sight see. Since we walked around in our Blackhawks jerseys, we took plenty of grief from people who saw us. Had a police officer playfully threaten to arrest us. Had a security guard at the Liberty Bell pull us aside with a serious face and tell us that we were under suspicion and he needed to search us... until he finally just laughed and said he was giving us a hard time for wearing Blackhawks jerseys and said we were of course free to go. Also had a group of school kids on a field trip to the Liberty Bell shout plenty of "Chicago sucks!" and "Blackhawks suck!" statements, in so many words. Charming.
At the game, things were fine with all the fans around us. We all talked trash, congratulated one another when the opposing fans' team scored, talked hockey during intermission, etc. My brother did almost get jumped in the bathroom after regulation, but managed to make it out alive. After the Blackhawks won in OT though, the mood completely changed. People were rude, obnoxious, spewing every expletive in the book at any and every Blackhawks fan. Not a good experience until most of the Flyers fans finally left the arena. Though, when we did make our way down to the lower bowl to take pictures and watch the players celebrate, the few Flyers fans who stuck around were kind and some even expressed congratulations on a good series and on winning the Cup.
In 2013 in Boston, the experience before and after the game was much the same. Fans were very friendly, playfully talking trash, but also wishing each other a good game and talking about how it had been a great series so far. After the final horn and the Blackhawks had won, I didn't notice any fans being angry or rude or obnoxious. A lot of disappointment, sure, but pretty much everyone with whom we came in contact either said nothing or wished us congratulations on the Hawks winning the Cup. After the game, outside the arena, it was much of the same. Was walking around with my brother and my mom and plenty of people came up to us saying it was a great series and congrats on winning the Cup. A local bar even kept my brother's replica Stanley Cup behind their bar during the game and allowed him to come pick it up after. A local cop in the area suggested it to him after a stubborn arena security guard did not allow him to bring it into the arena. While waiting for him to pick it up from the bar, we got into a few conversations with patrons outside and they were all friendly. It was awesome for me too, because I got to hear the typical BAH-stin accent from people. I got a big kick out of that after only hearing it in movies or TV shows.
All in all, great experience in Boston, mixed experience in Philly. Just going by their sports fans, I would say Bostonians are friendly and Philly fans are obnoxious jerks. Didn't Philly fans, in addition to booing Santa, also throw batteries at JD Drew and cheer Michael Irvin's injury? Yeah, I think Philly has a well-earned reputation for being rude.
In Philly, we arrived the day of the game and walked around downtown to sight see. Since we walked around in our Blackhawks jerseys, we took plenty of grief from people who saw us. Had a police officer playfully threaten to arrest us. Had a security guard at the Liberty Bell pull us aside with a serious face and tell us that we were under suspicion and he needed to search us... until he finally just laughed and said he was giving us a hard time for wearing Blackhawks jerseys and said we were of course free to go. Also had a group of school kids on a field trip to the Liberty Bell shout plenty of "Chicago sucks!" and "Blackhawks suck!" statements, in so many words. Charming.
At the game, things were fine with all the fans around us. We all talked trash, congratulated one another when the opposing fans' team scored, talked hockey during intermission, etc. My brother did almost get jumped in the bathroom after regulation, but managed to make it out alive. After the Blackhawks won in OT though, the mood completely changed. People were rude, obnoxious, spewing every expletive in the book at any and every Blackhawks fan. Not a good experience until most of the Flyers fans finally left the arena. Though, when we did make our way down to the lower bowl to take pictures and watch the players celebrate, the few Flyers fans who stuck around were kind and some even expressed congratulations on a good series and on winning the Cup.
In 2013 in Boston, the experience before and after the game was much the same. Fans were very friendly, playfully talking trash, but also wishing each other a good game and talking about how it had been a great series so far. After the final horn and the Blackhawks had won, I didn't notice any fans being angry or rude or obnoxious. A lot of disappointment, sure, but pretty much everyone with whom we came in contact either said nothing or wished us congratulations on the Hawks winning the Cup. After the game, outside the arena, it was much of the same. Was walking around with my brother and my mom and plenty of people came up to us saying it was a great series and congrats on winning the Cup. A local bar even kept my brother's replica Stanley Cup behind their bar during the game and allowed him to come pick it up after. A local cop in the area suggested it to him after a stubborn arena security guard did not allow him to bring it into the arena. While waiting for him to pick it up from the bar, we got into a few conversations with patrons outside and they were all friendly. It was awesome for me too, because I got to hear the typical BAH-stin accent from people. I got a big kick out of that after only hearing it in movies or TV shows.
All in all, great experience in Boston, mixed experience in Philly. Just going by their sports fans, I would say Bostonians are friendly and Philly fans are obnoxious jerks. Didn't Philly fans, in addition to booing Santa, also throw batteries at JD Drew and cheer Michael Irvin's injury? Yeah, I think Philly has a well-earned reputation for being rude.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 28, 2015 03:52 PM (7A4qQ)
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I'm glad I have indoor facilities, don't get me wrong, but I grew up with an outhouse, so I'm not fussed by having to use one in an emergency.
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Vintage Sears & Roebuck catalogs can be found at Ebay.
:-)
Posted by: Tammy
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Vintage Sears & Roebuck catalogs can be found at Ebay.
:-)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 28, 2015 03:53 PM (F2IAQ)
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Kansas suffers in that optimized travel map. You will miss the World's Largest Ball of Twine (Cawker City) and the Worlds's Largest Hand Dug Well (Greensburg).
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 28, 2015 03:54 PM (l3vZN)
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Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 28, 2015 03:53 PM (F2IAQ)
Nyet, comrade!
There will be toilet paper! Cottonelle with Aloe and Vitamin E, to be exact.
Nyet, comrade!
There will be toilet paper! Cottonelle with Aloe and Vitamin E, to be exact.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 04:10 PM (BVDFs)
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Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 28, 2015 03:54 PM (l3vZN)
Kansas is always overlooked; I have always really enjoyed my time there. Lots of little quirky things to see, which is the kind of thing I enjoy, but also places like Ft Scott, the Eisenhower library, and all the other historic places... plus fine folks.
Kansas is always overlooked; I have always really enjoyed my time there. Lots of little quirky things to see, which is the kind of thing I enjoy, but also places like Ft Scott, the Eisenhower library, and all the other historic places... plus fine folks.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 04:14 PM (BVDFs)
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California is so big it's hard to describe with just a few words. The people aren't snooty or unfriendly, but you'll be lucky to find someone who speaks English in parts of the state and probably every town.
San Francisco is beautiful, the people are crazy; however, the hard-working fisherman are friendly if you catch them right when they come in from the bay.
If had to live in a city it would be San Diego. It's gorgeous, and the weather is amazing and so are the beaches. The northern part of the Central Valley where I live feels almost Midwestern because of its high agricultural values. However, the liberal influx from the Bay Area has changed us and dampened the homey, small town feel of "church on every corner, stores closed on Sundays" we used to have.
When I visited Nebraska with my husband who has relatives there people waved to us as they drove by. I kept asking him if he knew them, but apparently, it's polite to lift the first two finger of your hand that's on the steering wheel whenever you see anybody, stranger or not. Taciturn, calm people, but friendly.
San Francisco is beautiful, the people are crazy; however, the hard-working fisherman are friendly if you catch them right when they come in from the bay.
If had to live in a city it would be San Diego. It's gorgeous, and the weather is amazing and so are the beaches. The northern part of the Central Valley where I live feels almost Midwestern because of its high agricultural values. However, the liberal influx from the Bay Area has changed us and dampened the homey, small town feel of "church on every corner, stores closed on Sundays" we used to have.
When I visited Nebraska with my husband who has relatives there people waved to us as they drove by. I kept asking him if he knew them, but apparently, it's polite to lift the first two finger of your hand that's on the steering wheel whenever you see anybody, stranger or not. Taciturn, calm people, but friendly.
Posted by: California Girl at June 28, 2015 04:31 PM (l+qoZ)
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Tuna,
Ravelry was unbearable in 2008. I've been on it since the start and I just stayed away for awhile. The Horde does have a presence there, if you'd like to join us.
Ravelry was unbearable in 2008. I've been on it since the start and I just stayed away for awhile. The Horde does have a presence there, if you'd like to join us.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 28, 2015 04:41 PM (Lqy/e)
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>>Posted by: flmomof4 at June 28, 2015 01:35 PM
So glad to hear that Americans were nice to you! Welcome aboard! ;-)
So glad to hear that Americans were nice to you! Welcome aboard! ;-)
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 05:05 PM (RWGcK)
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400 Y-not, my suggestion is for you to visit Starkville, MS. Probably the best blend of old/New/True South you'll find.
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Thanks so much! I will put that on the Places to Visit list.
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Thanks so much! I will put that on the Places to Visit list.
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 05:08 PM (RWGcK)
Posted by: EPA "Official" at June 28, 2015 05:22 PM (ftVQq)
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Also BackwardsBoy, I'm from Pensacola and remember driving 98 when all you could see was dunes and surf. Used to shoot up sand dunes with an M-1, still have a sand glazed round I dug out. Ah well, that's life.
Posted by: Gmac- 'all politics in this country now is dress-rehearsal for civil war' at June 28, 2015 05:43 PM (4CRfK)
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Stereotype- folks in the Seattle are nice. Wrong, they are polite with a huge passive aggressive streak in them.
Posted by: Blue at June 28, 2015 06:35 PM (EHli9)
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apparently, it's polite to lift the first two finger of your hand that's on the steering wheel whenever you see anybody, stranger or not.
I think that's a country thing. We do it here, too, although it's usually the full hand raised up. Damned overly emotional Southerners, dontcha know.
I think that's a country thing. We do it here, too, although it's usually the full hand raised up. Damned overly emotional Southerners, dontcha know.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 06:43 PM (BVDFs)
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472 apparently, it's polite to lift the first two finger of your hand that's on the steering wheel whenever you see anybody, stranger or not.
I think that's a country thing. We do it here, too, although it's usually the full hand raised up. Damned overly emotional Southerners, dontcha know.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 06:43 PM (BVDFs)
Funny, out here in California it seems pretty popular to just extend one finger with the full hand raised up.
I think that's a country thing. We do it here, too, although it's usually the full hand raised up. Damned overly emotional Southerners, dontcha know.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 06:43 PM (BVDFs)
Funny, out here in California it seems pretty popular to just extend one finger with the full hand raised up.
Posted by: cthulhu at June 28, 2015 06:56 PM (EzgxV)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 28, 2015 08:02 PM (BVDFs)
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They invented the toothbrush in Alabama. Otherwise it would be called the teethbrush.
Posted by: Chuckles at June 28, 2015 08:10 PM (dbKYn)
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To experience the true South, come see us in Alabama. We have beautiful mountains in the northeastern section all the way down to beautiful white sand beaches at the southern tip. And we will certainly call you ma'am and sir!
Posted by: OutspokenRed at June 28, 2015 08:44 PM (BhtTT)
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living on the Palouse I have to say that any tour that includes Pasco-Kennewick and not Seattle for its Washington Component isn't all wrong, but it is still incredibly wrong.
But I would like to have a conversation with any foreigner that took that trip.
But I would like to have a conversation with any foreigner that took that trip.
Posted by: RoyL at June 28, 2015 09:08 PM (rHoCL)
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>>476 To experience the true South, come see us in Alabama.
It turns out that I have family in Birmingham, so I may actually pop over there sometime!
It turns out that I have family in Birmingham, so I may actually pop over there sometime!
Posted by: Y-not at June 28, 2015 09:56 PM (RWGcK)
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You wanna a truly experience the South, be it polite or dirty?
Come spend 4 months her during college football season and travel to every rivalry game then get up the next morning and find the smallest Baptist Church in town.
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That is so unbelievably true.
Come spend 4 months her during college football season and travel to every rivalry game then get up the next morning and find the smallest Baptist Church in town.
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That is so unbelievably true.
Posted by: CCC at June 28, 2015 11:06 PM (ZTF1d)
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Posted by: ______ link plc at June 29, 2015 07:13 AM (rYw5c)
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My father was born in north Mississippi and my mother and I were born in north Alabama. I've lived in north Alabama, on the west coast of Florida, in New York's Hudson Valley, in south Louisiana and in both the Piedmont and mountain regions of North Carolina. There is not a southern state I have not visited. I'll hazard an opinion for OpenBlogger.
The South is too large and diverse to have a True South, and always has been. The upland regions were settled by a different group of British and Germanic colonists than the lowland regions. One may note the convergence of upland and lowland accents in Texas, to point out a superficial feature. The secession of West Virginia from Virginia is a deeper indicator of the differences. Northern counties in Alabama voted against secession, and East Tennessee was a hotbed of Unionism.
Maryland began as a British Catholic enclave, and Catholic south Lousiana remains America à la française. Savannah, Georgia is the poor man's New Orleans.
The lowland South is much more African-American than the upland, but all southern states have large percentages of black citizens.
Indian tribes, large and small, dot much of the region.
One must not forget the coasts, with their mix of tourism, fishery, shipping, oil and gas extraction, decadence, and smuggling.
Then there is Texas.
Agriculture is a unifier, but look at the variety of products: soybeans, corn (whisky!), tobacco, beef, pork, poultry, dairy, rice, sugar cane--each product a specialty with its own traditions and innovations in cultivation. You won't find much cotton any more. If we could cultivate coffee and tea here, we would.
Religion remains a popular preoccupation, but here again Christianity is practiced in a myriad of churches and doctrines, while there has never in our history been a shortage of curmudgeons who "don't believe in nothin'."
I mustn't neglect the University towns, which have had influence both benevolent, when they do educate, and baleful, when they promote anti-individualist doctrines. They have been major players in the large influx of residents from other regions during the last forty years. Their football and basketball teams will always be an important part of southern culture, insulating the Universities from any kind of discipline, financial or political.
Where should you go? Everywhere I've mentioned and more. Angle an invitation to a local's fishing cabin, hole, or spot on the shoreline. That's the truest South you'll find.
The South is too large and diverse to have a True South, and always has been. The upland regions were settled by a different group of British and Germanic colonists than the lowland regions. One may note the convergence of upland and lowland accents in Texas, to point out a superficial feature. The secession of West Virginia from Virginia is a deeper indicator of the differences. Northern counties in Alabama voted against secession, and East Tennessee was a hotbed of Unionism.
Maryland began as a British Catholic enclave, and Catholic south Lousiana remains America à la française. Savannah, Georgia is the poor man's New Orleans.
The lowland South is much more African-American than the upland, but all southern states have large percentages of black citizens.
Indian tribes, large and small, dot much of the region.
One must not forget the coasts, with their mix of tourism, fishery, shipping, oil and gas extraction, decadence, and smuggling.
Then there is Texas.
Agriculture is a unifier, but look at the variety of products: soybeans, corn (whisky!), tobacco, beef, pork, poultry, dairy, rice, sugar cane--each product a specialty with its own traditions and innovations in cultivation. You won't find much cotton any more. If we could cultivate coffee and tea here, we would.
Religion remains a popular preoccupation, but here again Christianity is practiced in a myriad of churches and doctrines, while there has never in our history been a shortage of curmudgeons who "don't believe in nothin'."
I mustn't neglect the University towns, which have had influence both benevolent, when they do educate, and baleful, when they promote anti-individualist doctrines. They have been major players in the large influx of residents from other regions during the last forty years. Their football and basketball teams will always be an important part of southern culture, insulating the Universities from any kind of discipline, financial or political.
Where should you go? Everywhere I've mentioned and more. Angle an invitation to a local's fishing cabin, hole, or spot on the shoreline. That's the truest South you'll find.
Posted by: Brett at June 29, 2015 10:49 AM (IYxhH)
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Thanks, Brett! Thoughtful comments.
I know that some feel the South has been destroyed by the influx of outsiders, but I think many of those people brought with them prosperity and expanded opportunity, perhaps even things that allow born and bred Southerners to stay in the South as young adults.
I know that some feel the South has been destroyed by the influx of outsiders, but I think many of those people brought with them prosperity and expanded opportunity, perhaps even things that allow born and bred Southerners to stay in the South as young adults.
Posted by: Y-not at June 29, 2015 10:58 AM (RWGcK)
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You're welcome, Y-not.
I've crossed Oklahoma twice, heading for the Rocky Mountains. The experience of leaving the green east and riding the plains on straight-forward roads into the arid regions is beautiful and thoughtful.
The second time I drove I-40 past Oklahoma City, and angled northwest on U.S. 270 to U.S. 412 in the panhandle. Guymon , OK made an excellent overnight stop, with very big skies. The next day I continued west on 412 to the end of the panhandle where the mountainous country begins. From there one spends an hour or two in New Mexico among mesas and defunct volcanoes before entering Colorado.
This route gave an excellent overview of the state's geography. It was over a hundred degrees, though!
I've crossed Oklahoma twice, heading for the Rocky Mountains. The experience of leaving the green east and riding the plains on straight-forward roads into the arid regions is beautiful and thoughtful.
The second time I drove I-40 past Oklahoma City, and angled northwest on U.S. 270 to U.S. 412 in the panhandle. Guymon , OK made an excellent overnight stop, with very big skies. The next day I continued west on 412 to the end of the panhandle where the mountainous country begins. From there one spends an hour or two in New Mexico among mesas and defunct volcanoes before entering Colorado.
This route gave an excellent overview of the state's geography. It was over a hundred degrees, though!
Posted by: Brett at June 29, 2015 01:49 PM (IYxhH)
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The other day, while I was at work, my cousin stole my
iphone and tested to see if it can survive a 25 foot drop, just
so she can be a youtube sensation. My iPad is now destroyed and she has 83 views.
I know this is entirely off topic but I had to share it with someone!
iphone and tested to see if it can survive a 25 foot drop, just
so she can be a youtube sensation. My iPad is now destroyed and she has 83 views.
I know this is entirely off topic but I had to share it with someone!
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