Dyalann Roof, Race-Murderer and Terrorist, Captured

It's every bit as terrible as you first feared.

The feeling I have -- apart from shock and horror -- is shame. Shame that this creature looks anything at all like me, shame that there may be a few stray nucleotides in his envenomed heart that resemble my own.

When a vicious, cowardly outrage like this happens, a thinking man or woman has two options: To condemn the theatrical horror of the murder as any ethical person must, such as to to do one's utmost to dissuade any similarly-minded monsters from acting in bloody sympathy, or to make excuses for it, to talk about "root causes" and "legitimate grievances" and even the Crusades, to explain it as somehow, if not quite justified, as understandable.

I choose the former.

Race-hate massacre suspect CAPTURED: Gunman who "shot nine people dead" at historic South Carolina black church after telling them "you're taking over our country" is taken into custody by cops
Dylann Roof opened fire at the historic Emanuel AME church in Charleston, South Carolina around 9pm Wednesday, killing nine people - three male victims and six females
After fleeing from the scene, he was caught in Shelby, North Carolina on Thursday morning
It has emerged that Roof had entered the church around an hour before the shooting and had joined the bible study group before suddenly opening fire
He let one woman escape so she could tell the world what happened while a child survived by playing dead
Among the dead is 41-year-old Reverend Clementa Pinckney, pastor of the church and a South Carolina state senator who leaves behind a wife and two young daughters
Police Chief Gregory Mullen said he believed the shooting was a hate crime
The Department of Justice, the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's Office have launched a hate crime investigation
...
The white gunman who allegedly shot dead nine people during a bible study meeting at an African-American church in South Carolina last night has been caught in North Carolina.
Dylann Storm Roof, who fled the 150-year-old Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston after the shooting, was taken into custody during a traffic stop in Shelby on Thursday morning following an hours-long manhunt.

Whenever there is a murder or outrage that crosses racial lines, there is understandable, and inevitable, tribal survival instinct that kicks in. A certain suspicion and hatred that attaches to the race from whom the horror originated.

Black people are going to be angry at white folks -- even if they hide it, they're going to be angry at white folks for what this bloody bastard did. And I won't jeer at this feeling. I understand it.

I would, however, reassure black folks that this ain't me, this ain't any of us (save a tiny fraction of racist, little-dicked losers), and that we grieve with you, and we share your sense of shock and revulsion at the nihilistic carnage.

And we too wish this creature to receive the Lord's justice, and not the Lord's mercy.

Cross Posted: Drew just posted his own post, below. I did not see that when I posted, and even if I had, I would have posted. I wanted to speak my own piece.

Posted by: Ace at 12:11 PM

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1 Glad the caught him. Too bad they caught him alive.

Posted by: @votermom at June 18, 2015 12:13 PM (cbfNE)

2 Prayers for the victims.

Posted by: Y-not at June 18, 2015 12:14 PM (RWGcK)

3 What a horrible person.

Posted by: m at June 18, 2015 12:14 PM (cI4LP)

4 Prayers to victims and their families amidst this horrible slaughter.

Posted by: SMOD Keeper at June 18, 2015 12:14 PM (jmN7w)

5 The difference between us and the Left is that we will condemn this little piece of drek, wholeheartedly, without reservations or caveats or counterexamples.

They won't. When one of their preferred groups commits a horror, there's always a Very Good Reason for it that drove him to do it.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at June 18, 2015 12:15 PM (YYJjz)

6 The usual suspects are dancing in the blood of the slain and not wating for the bodies to cool to advance their puny agendas...

Posted by: SMOD Keeper at June 18, 2015 12:16 PM (jmN7w)

7 Can I make a request that racist trolls, like the one I asked to be troll-busted yesterday morning (but who wasn't), be banned with extreme malice today?

They don't deserve the satisfaction of having their hate-filled pixels on this blog.

Posted by: Y-not at June 18, 2015 12:17 PM (RWGcK)

8 Some crazy ass people in this world. They should have shot that asshole on sight.

Posted by: tbd at June 18, 2015 12:17 PM (ASGCu)

9 I agree, Ace. But I still despise the "hate crime" designation.

Posted by: kathysaysso at June 18, 2015 12:18 PM (fMQoG)

10 1 white guy does something.....all white people are responsible

1000 Muslims do something....absolutely nothing to do with Islam

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 18, 2015 12:18 PM (0LHZx)

11 So it's ok to be mad at black folks for all the rapes and murders of whites?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 18, 2015 12:18 PM (oFCZn)

12 Also, good job, cops! ( seriously, that was quick)

Posted by: @votermom at June 18, 2015 12:18 PM (cbfNE)

13 Amen ace.

Posted by: alexthechick at June 18, 2015 12:18 PM (yG2B+)

14 Fredo knew the pastor and some of the parishoners so he is trying again to put himself in the middle of the story?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 12:18 PM (wq4B0)

15 "Too bad they caught him alive. "

Tis'.....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 18, 2015 12:19 PM (LA7Cm)

16 Yup Fredo making it all Black and white again. Does this guy really want a race riot?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 12:19 PM (wq4B0)

17 Well written, ace.

Posted by: Mike at June 18, 2015 12:19 PM (ISxUB)

18 May he receive the barbed cock of Satan

Posted by: Evil Otto at June 18, 2015 12:20 PM (ybWZN)

19 @11

Don't forget polar bear knockout games and flash mob attacks... But that's none of my business.

* picture of Kermit the frog sipping tea.

Posted by: Kreplach at June 18, 2015 12:20 PM (AtR8s)

20 "Too bad they caught him alive. "

I hope he resists arrests, then squeals like a pig, just in case there are others like him with similar plans.

Posted by: Y-not at June 18, 2015 12:20 PM (RWGcK)

21 >>>When one of their preferred groups commits a horror, there's always a Very Good Reason for it that drove him to do it.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at June 18, 2015 12:15 PM (YYJjz)

Well, it might turn out that he had absent parental units, or unmonitored psychoses, or was in some such way defective, i.e., we might learn that there's a very good reason that he is such a horrible person. But I mean a reason, not an excuse.

Posted by: m at June 18, 2015 12:20 PM (cI4LP)

22 >>>11 So it's ok to be mad at black folks for all the rapes and murders of whites?

it's a philosophically interesting question which has absolutely no place in the wake of the murders of nine black people.

Posted by: ace at June 18, 2015 12:20 PM (bhepQ)

23 Agree 100%. It's excruciating that such a pathetic individual has the power to ruin so many lives and damage good will and good relationships. I hope, as Titus writes, that we won't see anyone attempting to understand or explain this depraved act. I hope.

Posted by: grandmalcaesar at June 18, 2015 12:20 PM (yrohn)

24 Root cause: haircut usually sported by 4-year old boys.

Posted by: kathysaysso at June 18, 2015 12:20 PM (fMQoG)

25 Obama now reminding everyone it is a black church...

Posted by: Baldy at June 18, 2015 12:20 PM (sEXjW)

26 Good work officer on the stop!

Posted by: DM at June 18, 2015 12:20 PM (j/tOh)

27 Here he goes again on his gun rant- He is nothing but preditable--what a fuck

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 12:21 PM (wq4B0)

28 Now he is pushing gun control

Posted by: Baldy at June 18, 2015 12:21 PM (sEXjW)

29 Gonna be a long hot summer

Posted by: tinfoilbaby at June 18, 2015 12:21 PM (H3SRF)

30 "Black people are going to be angry at white folks -- even if they hide it, they're going to be angry at white folks for what this bloody bastard did. And I won't jeer at this feeling. I understand it."

No.

There's no justification for being 'angry at white folks' over this. Or was there possible justification for Roof being 'angry at black folks' as well?

I can understand being angry at Roof, or at white supremacists. But if anyone is 'angry at white people' because of what this guy did, fuck them. They are part of the problem, whether they're black or white.

Posted by: Crude at June 18, 2015 12:21 PM (DUynq)

31 Well, that didn't take long for Obama to politicize and stir things up. Good job, dumb-ass.

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at June 18, 2015 12:21 PM (1BQGO)

32

Yeah.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 18, 2015 12:21 PM (qCMvj)

33 The link in Drew's earlier post from Marcus Stanley is amazing.

One of the reasons I've kept my faith is the level of hope and spirit still seen in others even in horrible times.

I wouldn't want to live in a world of Dylann Roofs but empty of Marcus Stanleys.

Posted by: bananaDream at June 18, 2015 12:22 PM (vLk7c)

34 I hope this racist, misogynist, bowl-cutted piece of shit gets a "botched" execution in the very near future. One that makes him die slowly. Murder is bad enough; mass murder is worse; mass murder of innocents praying is unbelievable; mass murder of innocents praying WHILE IN THEIR CHURCH is so awful I can't even speak.

Give him to the brothers in county lockup and then turn conveniently deaf.

Give him to the general population in the State penitentiary and turn a blind eye.

Give him a "rough ride" in the paddy wagon and don't buckle him in.

I honestly DO NOT CARE what happens to this evil shitstain. I do not care. He's no better than fucking ISIS, IMO.

And he's a fucking coward taboot.

"You rape our women." - Alleged statement by the Dickless Whoreson right before murdering SIX WOMEN and three men.

Burn, you sonofabitch. BURN.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at June 18, 2015 12:22 PM (4df7R)

35 From the last thread.
Cause you know how this is gonna get played...

As a firearm owner, I will accept my personal responsibility for his actions.

Just as soon as the MSM holds the American Muslim community responsible for the actions of the 19 terrorists on 9-11

Now, just to be clear, there is no justification for his actions.
None.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 18, 2015 12:22 PM (VPLuQ)

36 I have another emotion: the sadness that this isolated event, horrible as it is, will be used by unscrupulous people to advance their agenda to further divide the nation and paint all people of a certain color as haters.

I'm sad for the lies that will grow out of it. And I hate the liars that will lie about it for their own egos sake.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at June 18, 2015 12:22 PM (0HooB)

37 I am not ashamed. I didn't do it.

Blood libel is bullshit.

Posted by: revolting peasant at June 18, 2015 12:22 PM (b09pT)

38 Has this fuck ever not made politics part of a tragedy?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 12:22 PM (wq4B0)

39 1 white guy does something.....all white people are responsible
1000 Muslims do something....absolutely nothing to do with Islam
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN

Which is why, as a gun owner, accept ZERO responsibility for this nut's actions.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 18, 2015 12:22 PM (IK6ub)

40 Great post, ace.

And prayers and peace for the victims, families, and congregants. And for Charleston, one of the loveliest and safest cities in America.

Hope the evil little bastard gets the justice he deserves.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2015 12:22 PM (FsuaD)

41 A crime like this points out that we should never have banned drawing and quartering.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 18, 2015 12:22 PM (Kpl3J)

42 Yup Fredo making it all Black and white again. Does this guy really want a race riot?

Community Organizers are useless without unrest.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 18, 2015 12:22 PM (oVJmc)

43 14 Fredo knew the pastor and some of the parishoners so he is trying again to put himself in the middle of the story?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 12:18 PM (wq4B0)

All questions are about Obama. All answers are from Obama. And, of course, there will be racial healing, also due to Obama.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at June 18, 2015 12:22 PM (RD7QR)

44
A lotta White Guilt in this post.

I'm not gonna defend myself on this shootng because I had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

I blame obama.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 18, 2015 12:23 PM (1q2YS)

45 My actual answer is that assigning Racial Guilt for a crime that is not supported broadly by that people is always wrong -- but, people being people, and people being animals who are genetically encoded to think in terms of the pack, it is understandable that they will have that emotional reaction...

...even though that emotional reaction is in fact wrong, unfair, and scapegoating.

I don't quite get the impulse some have to push that Pack Animal Loyalty out to the very front of their personality, as if they're proud of it.

While this sense of Pack and Tribe can never be dispelled, neither should it be indulged, or paraded around as if one is proud to have animalistic, tribalist racialist feelings.

Posted by: ace at June 18, 2015 12:23 PM (bhepQ)

46 "Black people are going to be angry at white folks... And I won't jeer at this feeling. I understand it."

What the hell does that mean? I don't condone any group of people being disparaged by the act of a lone but that isn't supported by the group. Angry at violent white supremicsts? Fine. Angry at all whites? Not productive or warranted, and only creating more problems.

Posted by: Grimaldi at June 18, 2015 12:23 PM (A0f9R)

47 He reloaded FIVE times? WTF?!!!!

And yeah hate crimes are BS. Murder of anybody is bad period, m'kay. Same with assaulting people just for the hell of it.

Posted by: brbe's boobs destroy at June 18, 2015 12:23 PM (+FvPZ)

48 "Black people are going to be angry at white folks -- even if they hide it, they're going to be angry at white folks for what this bloody bastard did. And I won't jeer at this feeling. I understand it."

You should jeer at this feeling. There are about 200 million white people in this country. To be mad at 200 million people for the actions of 1 person is irrational and should most definitely be called out.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 18, 2015 12:23 PM (0LHZx)

49 The cops knew who this a$$hole was five minutes after viewing the video. I wonder how they knew it was him?

Too bad he didn't resist arrest.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 18, 2015 12:23 PM (iONHu)

50 "The feeling I have -- apart from shock and horror -- is shame. Shame that this creature looks anything at all like me, shame that there may be a few stray nucleotides in his envenomed heart that resemble my own."

Ridiculous.

Are you filled with joy when a mass murder isn't white?

I don't care what color his skin is, he is a man who committed evil acts and must pay for his crimes. Preferably by being hung from the nearest tree. But please do not embrace the SJW pathos with feeling shame for the color of your skin. We either judge people by the content of their character, or we become raving lunatics like the SJWs.

Posted by: NotCoach at June 18, 2015 12:23 PM (rsudF)

51 22 >>>11 So it's ok to be mad at black folks for all the rapes and murders of whites?

it's a philosophically interesting question which has absolutely no place in the wake of the murders of nine black people.

Posted by: ace at June 18, 2015 12:20 PM (bhepQ)

I agree Ace but I do think it needed to be said. You said you feel shame because of association with this person.

I don't associate myself with this person at all. Nor did I feel any association with Adam Lanza or Jared Loughner or that kook in Aurora.

Whether he's a racist racist or mentally ill (it could be both conceivably), it's an abhorrent act that should be condemned by everyone.

I'm actually surprised he was taken alive. After hearing about this last night I figured they'd find him suicided or he'd die in a police shootout.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 18, 2015 12:23 PM (oFCZn)

52 "it's a philosophically interesting question which has absolutely no place in the wake of the murders of nine people." FIFY

Posted by: Gulermo at June 18, 2015 12:23 PM (ymhTd)

53 Root causes? Simple. Crazy people do crazy things. This is not a sane individual

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at June 18, 2015 12:24 PM (PlK2t)

54 Oh my... quoting "Dr" King. Please help save this nation from this race-hustler.

Posted by: Baldy at June 18, 2015 12:24 PM (sEXjW)

55 The feeling I have -- apart from shock and horror -- is shame.
Shame that this creature looks anything at all like me, shame that there
may be a few stray nucleotides in his envenomed heart that resemble my
own.

This is an interesting juxtaposition with your usual views on race, specifically that you, as a white, are not awesome simply because some other white people have done something awesome.

It doesn't have to line up logically, as this is an emotional response. I just find it interesting.

Posted by: Methos at June 18, 2015 12:24 PM (ZbV+0)

56 This fuck loves the sound of his own voice. What a cock sucker

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 12:24 PM (wq4B0)

57 Prayers for the families and the wounded.

Watch out for your rights in the aftermath.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 18, 2015 12:24 PM (l3vZN)

58 I don't quite get the impulse some have to push that Pack Animal Loyalty
out to the very front of their personality, as if they're proud of it.

Because they have very little else about which to be proud.

Posted by: pep at June 18, 2015 12:24 PM (GMG6W)

59

I heard Nikki cried at the presser.
Evidently she also said we have to be able to tell our children it's safe to go back into churches.

In the past I had thought about how brave the church-goers were outside the US, where they are being targeted left and right.

And, then it happened here.

Does every establishment have to have a "Sky/Air/Flight Marshal" now?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 18, 2015 12:25 PM (qCMvj)

60 i wish they would have given him an early death sentence, what a murdering bastard He is.

Posted by: willow at June 18, 2015 12:25 PM (nqBYe)

61 Obama just said it's the "gun" fault.

Never miss an opportunity to sell BS

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 18, 2015 12:25 PM (0FSuD)

62
Okay - Given every single crime reported by the media latelyhas, in retrospect, been found to be the exact opposite of what they initially reported, anyone want to give odds the guy was an occupy progressive atheist, and when he talked about "them" taking over the world, he mean religious people?

I've learned the hard wayin the last few years - don't give or accept guilt for anything until all the facts are on the table.

Posted by: Judge Dredd at June 18, 2015 12:25 PM (/EkKm)

63 I can't imagine President Reagan politicizing a tragedy like this.

Posted by: Mike at June 18, 2015 12:25 PM (ISxUB)

64 24 Root cause: haircut usually sported by 4-year old boys.

Posted by: kathysaysso at June 18, 2015 12:20 PM (fMQoG)

The picture I saw he looks remarkably like Adam Lanza albeit without as much of the creepy, vacuous look that nutbag had.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 18, 2015 12:25 PM (oFCZn)

65 I hope the cops caught the right guy.

I hope he gets a quick and fair trial.

If found guilty, I hope he gets the death penalty, and gets it quickly.

But as of now, his guilt is unproven, and therefore he is innocent.

Regardless of who he is, remember who you all are, Morons. We are not a mob.

Posted by: revolting peasant at June 18, 2015 12:25 PM (b09pT)

66 Glad the caught him. Too bad they caught him alive.

Posted by: @votermom at June 18, 2015 12:13 PM (cbfNE)

I am glad they caught the bastard alive. I want him to answer for it. I do not want the tin foil hat crowd spinning all kinds of lies about why he did it, and how Whitey/Jews/ Catholics/Islamics/GOP/Banksters made him do it.

Posted by: rd at June 18, 2015 12:25 PM (wGMZS)

67 So the JEF is using this tragedy to push for gun control??

We can carry in our churches here in GA, although I don't know of anyone who does.

I'd like to think if someone entered our church looking to slaughter congregants for whatever reason, someone would be able to take them out.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2015 12:25 PM (FsuaD)

68 Obama throwing gas on the fire. Making this into a civil
rights/racism issue (besides gun control issue) What did this country
ever do to deserve this worthless POS as it's president?

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at June 18, 2015 12:25 PM (1BQGO)

69
While this sense of Pack and Tribe can never be dispelled, neither should it be indulged, or paraded around as if one is proud to have animalistic, tribalist racialist feelings.

Posted by: ace at June 18, 2015 12:23 PM (bhepQ)

Thanks for that clarification. Seriously.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 12:25 PM (2Ojst)

70 Odds this Dickless Whoreson was a lurker (or active member of) Stormfront? Pretty damn high.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at June 18, 2015 12:26 PM (4df7R)

71 Now that I am finished my condescending speech, I off at YOUR expense in AF-1 to LA for TWO DNC fundraisers, TWO.

Thanks for all the help.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 18, 2015 12:26 PM (0FSuD)

72 >>>This is an interesting juxtaposition with your usual views on race, specifically that you, as a white, are not awesome simply because some other white people have done something awesome.

we are speaking here of EMOTION, not ideology.

The gut has impulses the brain doesn't understand.

Posted by: ace at June 18, 2015 12:26 PM (bhepQ)

73 Okay - Given every single crime reported by the media latelyhas, in retrospect, been found to be the exact opposite of what they initially reported, anyone want to give odds the guy was an occupy progressive atheist, and when he talked about "them" taking over the world, he mean religious people?
---------------

And would they attack Bill Maher just like they attacked Sarah Palin over Giffords?

Posted by: Roy at June 18, 2015 12:26 PM (VndSC)

74 Gee, can't wait for Al Sharpton to say somrthing about this. I need a drink already.

Posted by: dantesed at June 18, 2015 12:26 PM (88xKn)

75 Much w/e fun to be had here:
http://heyjackass.com

Posted by: G6loq at June 18, 2015 12:26 PM (FdmIv)

76
Gotta be crazy to wear your hair like that.

Posted by: Ringo Starr at June 18, 2015 12:27 PM (wAQA5)

77 While I agree with the notion that some people are just plain evil, I don't think you can neglect the possibility of a twisted ckuffed up mind that finds some sort of sick validation in being designated as evil. A sad clutching at relevancy in a world that doesn't care about them.

An antihero death wish so to speak.

I think acknowledging this guy as evil may be just what he wants us to do.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at June 18, 2015 12:27 PM (NeFrd)

78 Obviously I feel awful for all the victims and their families but I don't feel the least responsible. So he is white, so what?

He is a sick, twisted piece of garbage and I have nothing in common with him other than skin color. I don't support what he did or whatever his motive was.

I refuse to play the left's game of group guilt anytime a white person does something wrong.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2015 12:27 PM (g1DWB)

79 Are you filled with joy when a mass murder isn't white?

eh?

Ace is talking about the "human" connection, not race.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 18, 2015 12:27 PM (qCMvj)

80 As a gun-owning white guy, who unequivocally condemns the actions of this murderer, all those who want to hold me responsible for his actions because I belong to those two categories can go fuck themselves sideways with a flaming, barbed-wire-wrapped pineapple.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 12:27 PM (2Ojst)

81 22
>>>11 So it's ok to be mad at black folks for all the rapes and murders of whites?

it's a philosophically interesting question which has absolutely no place in the wake of the murders of nine black people.

Posted by: ace at June 18, 2015 12:20 PM (bhepQ)

=========================
Then why did you bring it up ace?Even though I'm mostly a lurker I love ace of spades and the podcast and I agree the high road here is to only grieve for the victims and condemn the killer and leave politics out of it but you brought up a wider discussion in your post.You have no reason to feel shame because the killer was white.

Posted by: gwelf at June 18, 2015 12:27 PM (+7Usq)

82 Even the local talking heads are accepting as a given that this means more gun control. Grrr.

Posted by: flounder at June 18, 2015 12:27 PM (ecDRv)

83 Druggy kills people while STILL on parole .

Why?

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 18, 2015 12:27 PM (0FSuD)

84 I'd like to know where all this "shame" is coming from. I didn't kill anybody ... and I'm no more responsible for crimes by whites than some random black dude can be responsible for crimes by blacks.

And deaths or not ... this ABSOLUTELY is the time to talk about it ... or resign yourselves to eating whatever shit sandwich Barry and the Progs serve up because they see an opportunity.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 18, 2015 12:28 PM (W3hdj)

85 And we too wish this creature to receive the Lord's justice, and not the Lord's mercy.

Have to take issue with this one line. I understand you stand aside from belief, but as a believer myself, I do not consider myself - or any other mortal human being - fit to speak to the application of divine justice or mercy, only to human justice or mercy.

Maybe it's just me, but it makes me a trifle uncomfortable.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at June 18, 2015 12:28 PM (2l5vw)

86 I personally feel no shame about this atrocity. I didn't do it. What I DO feel is rage that it was done at all, and rage that no one stopped this lunatic, and rage that anyone would politicize this monstrosity.

I want justice, not mercy, and I want it here on Earth the same as in Heaven.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at June 18, 2015 12:28 PM (4df7R)

87 Y'all got any outrage about this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom

Posted by: apb at June 18, 2015 12:28 PM (v1fgg)

88
Hang him in his Dad's yard and leave his body for the vultures and flies.

Posted by: Garrett at June 18, 2015 12:28 PM (AYeQy)

89 When I read about a person, any person, torturing animals or raping children, I feel a visceral revulsion and, yes, a type of shame.

The concept of shared guilt is pretty common in my faith. Catholics re-enact the trial leading up to the crucification and say "Crucify him!" not out of an attempt to blame Jews, but to acknowledge our own failings. It's a way to admit that we all, through our failings to follow God's teachings, share responsibility for the evil that men do.

So to me feeling some sort of shame over an act like this IS part of the human condition.

Posted by: Y-not at June 18, 2015 12:28 PM (RWGcK)

90 You have no reason to feel shame because the killer was white.
Posted by: gwelf at June 18, 2015 12:27 PM (+7Usq)

eh?

not seeing Ace saying that at all

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 18, 2015 12:28 PM (qCMvj)

91 We were just touching on this in the last thread, but I will say this:

Yes, speculation on motives will happen, and I don't there's any harm in that. We are preparing ourselves for the inevitable aftermath. Part of that WILL include having to defend ourselves, if we share superficial things like skin color.

That being said, my best guess is, this guy will NOT be shown to be mentally ill/incoherent. He's going to have an internally logical worldview/excuse. It's going to be ugly, and we're going to have to deal with that too.

It would be easier if he turns out to be another Colorado movie theater shooter, or any of a number of other "crazies," but I suspect that's not going to be the case here.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 18, 2015 12:28 PM (TOk1P)

92 While I agree with the notion that some people are just plain evil

But enough about Fredo

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 12:28 PM (wq4B0)

93 Whew. Back to *ACE* of Spades.

Posted by: revolting peasant at June 18, 2015 12:25 PM (b09pT)
We are not a mob.

No. We are the Horde, devouring evil like the "piranhas of teh Internetz".

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at June 18, 2015 12:28 PM (nqiq9)

94 Drugs are bad, mkay.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 18, 2015 12:29 PM (dRtHa)

95 It's full of tiny script!

Posted by: Garrett at June 18, 2015 12:29 PM (AYeQy)

96 Black people are going to be angry at white folks -- even if they hide
it, they're going to be angry at white folks for what this bloody
bastard did. And I won't jeer at this feeling. I understand it.
***
I disagree. Defining these sorts of things in terms of race is exactly the way Dylann Storm Roof views the world. And it is wrong...and evil.

Mr Roof should get a fair trial, and presuming he is guilty...a quick rope. He is a reflection of his own twisted world view and in acting on it should pay the price. And that is the way every moral person should view the situation.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 18, 2015 12:29 PM (78TbK)

97 Good on you for being pissed, ace. We all are.
But please stop helping the left push this "hate crime" rhetoric. We don't need another excuse for the gov't to presecute for thought crimes.
The dude was crazy, and should've died of lead poisoning on first sight.

That said, enough about him.
We should focus any attention on the victims & their loved ones. May God hold them and rest their souls.

Posted by: chi's sandwIch at June 18, 2015 12:29 PM (bvz/P)

98 >>> I would, however, reassure black folks that this ain't me, this ain't
any of us (save a tiny fraction of racist, little-dicked losers), and
that we grieve with you, and we share your sense of shock and revulsion
at the nihilistic carnage. <<<

Nice sentiment, but there's already calls to unilaterally disarm white folk for this. See: Weasel Zippers.

Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at June 18, 2015 12:29 PM (sCHw2)

99 87
Y'all got any outrage about this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom

Posted by: apb at June 18, 2015 12:28 PM (v1fgg)

Hell yes. Every one of those monsters should get the toaster-in-the-bathtub treatment, IMO.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at June 18, 2015 12:29 PM (4df7R)

100 I think the miscommunication here stems fact that people like to think of themselves in idealized terms, having nothing but strict reason and well-thought out ideology.

I don't believe that bullshit. I have expressed ten thousand times my profound and unshakeable belief that the gut has ideas that are almost a complete mystery to the brain.

To speak of a person's *reason* alone is not to speak of that person at all. There is no such thing as person who lives entirely in reason. There is always an emotional narrative in a person, and usually it's THAT narrative, and not a reasoned, ideological one, that explains that person.

Posted by: ace at June 18, 2015 12:29 PM (bhepQ)

101 I am glad they caught the bastard alive. I want him to answer for it. I do not want the tin foil hat crowd spinning all kinds of lies about why he did it, and how Whitey/Jews/ Catholics/Islamics/GOP/Banksters made him do it.

Posted by: rd at June 18, 2015 12:25 PM (wGMZS)

Oh that will happen regardless. I'm sure the same people that said Newtown was a false flag operation were running to their keyboards last night over this incident.

EVERYTHING is a conspiracy now.

That MKUltra thing sure got around.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 18, 2015 12:29 PM (oFCZn)

102 I figured they'd find him suicided or he'd die in a police shootout.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 18, 2015 12:23 PM

I didn't expect he'd off himself. He strikes me as a coward, without the guts to end it. He probably sees himself as a Big Man with a firearm.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 18, 2015 12:30 PM (P8YHq)

103 TFG. Pauses between "express our" and "deep sorrow," to read the f'ing speech. What an empty hollow meat sack.

Posted by: flounder at June 18, 2015 12:30 PM (ecDRv)

104
Black people are going to be angry at white folks -- even if they
hide it, they're going to be angry at white folks for what this bloody
bastard did. And I won't jeer at this feeling. I understand it.

I would, however, reassure black folks that this ain't me, this ain't
any of us (save a tiny fraction of racist, little-dicked losers), and
that we grieve with you, and we share your sense of shock and revulsion
at the nihilistic carnage.
===========

It's good that you feel that way.

However: I will not excuse ANY black person for being angry at whites for this.

That's out-and-out racism and has no excuse whatsoever.

So, I am not going to let the barbarity of this shitheel free them to let their inner-racist flag fly.

I will jeer that feeling. I will mock it. I will not let it stand.

No more than they'd let me hate on all blacks for the murder of a white by blacks.

It's not MY job to reassure them I'm not racist since this happened. I am not guilty; I did not do this.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 18, 2015 12:30 PM (ZvKdv)

105 "Regardless of who he is, remember who you all are, Morons. We are not a mob."

No, of course we are not.

But the entire thing goes something like "...and presumed innocent, in the eyes of the law", or pretty close to it.

I'm not the law.

I want a fair trial.
And a hanging.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 18, 2015 12:30 PM (VPLuQ)

106

I do not feel shame, either.

Just a deep sadness for the families.

(and I want this guy wiped off the face of the earth quickly, it should have been done once they found him, but, hey, that's just me)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 18, 2015 12:30 PM (qCMvj)

107 black people are always mad a white folks. But this asshole is a very rare bird. the racially motivated white dude who goes out and kills a bunch of black folks, we get what? one a decade? Of course we're going to get new "hate crime" legislation out of this.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at June 18, 2015 12:30 PM (HEa5q)

108 What did this country

ever do to deserve this worthless POS as it's president?
***
Get 52% of the population to vote for him?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 18, 2015 12:30 PM (78TbK)

109 >>>I disagree. Defining these sorts of things in terms of race is exactly the way Dylann Storm Roof views the world. And it is wrong...and evil.

it is every bit as wrong as it is inevitable.

And rather than hectoring someone who feels this way, I'll just say "I understand," and hopefully counsel them into not feeling this way as quickly as possible.

Posted by: ace at June 18, 2015 12:31 PM (bhepQ)

110 34
"You rape our women." - Alleged statement by the Dickless Whoreson right before murdering SIX WOMEN and three men.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at June 18, 2015 12:22 PM (4df7R)

Yeah. Women praying in church. If he was really so concerned about "black rapists", why didn't he go after gangbangers on the street? Because he was a cowardly little weasel, that's why.

Posted by: rickl at June 18, 2015 12:31 PM (zoehZ)

111 Sorry Ace, I"m not accepting any responsibility for this evil, mental,l individual because he's white.

Really, what the hell does that matter? This deranged individual made the choice of going into a church and killing 9 individuals, sparing one , telling her to go tell everyone what happened here.

He didn't do what he did because he's white and the church had black members. He did what he did because he was evil and deranged, and possibly drugged up. (he had a drug charge this year).

Whoever bought him a handgun has some responsibility toward this. Whoever didn't recognize that he was a hate filled little demon who had mental problems has some responsibility.

But neither I nor the rest of the white race has responsibility toward this asshole, other than to make sure he meets justice swiftly.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 18, 2015 12:31 PM (r+ad+)

112 108 What did this country

ever do to deserve this worthless POS as it's president?
***
Get 52% of the population to vote for him?
Posted by: 18-1 at June 18, 2015 12:30 PM (78TbK)

52% of the voters, not the population. Just a wee bit of difference there.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 12:31 PM (2Ojst)

113 The fact that he joined in the prayer service before starting his killing spree is especially chilling. He looked at all of their faces, saw them in all of their humanity, and then murdered them in cold blood.

Posted by: Lauren at June 18, 2015 12:31 PM (MYCIw)

114 >>But as of now, his guilt is unproven, and therefore he is innocent.

Very clear surveillance pictures and living witnesses suggest otherwise.

Posted by: Y-not at June 18, 2015 12:31 PM (RWGcK)

115 And as others have said..

Fuck this 'shame' shit. Or if you feel ashamed, then tell me you think everyone should be ashamed whenever someone of their race does something reprehensible, particularly if it's done on racial lines.

Either we all should feel ashamed when shit happens, or none of us should.

Posted by: Crude at June 18, 2015 12:31 PM (DUynq)

116 I understand the outrage, a horrible situation.

But my feelings towards my black friends and folks i know every time a black kills a white for racist reasons, which happens a lot more, don't change. They have nothing to do with it. Maybe in a general sense it pisses me off i guess.

So i refuse to let that be turned around. I don't feel any guilt for hitler nor this nutjob and i refuse to let that happen. Same with any nut. Some People are crazy. Tragic but true.

Posted by: Prescient11 at June 18, 2015 12:31 PM (Zp6kK)

117 Odds this Dickless Whoreson was a lurker (or active member of) Stormfront? Pretty damn high.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Vaginassassin, aka Beth at June 18, 2015 12:26 PM (4df7R)
-------His middle name was Storm. I won't take your odds.

Posted by: Penfold at June 18, 2015 12:32 PM (Fbt5B)

118 i guess i made the mistake of bringing nuance and emotional understanding to an ideology fight.

Posted by: ace at June 18, 2015 12:32 PM (bhepQ)

119 >>>You have no reason to feel shame because the killer was white.
Posted by: gwelf at June 18, 2015 12:27 PM (+7Usq)

eh?

not seeing Ace saying that at all
.
.
.

Second sentence of the post:

The feeling I have -- apart from shock and horror -- is shame. Shame that this creature looks anything at all like me, shame that there may be a few stray nucleotides in his envenomed heart that resemble my own.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 18, 2015 12:32 PM (iONHu)

120 As for me, let me know when Blacks feel any shame, whatsoever, about their bruthas murdering Zamir Begic with hammers, all the while yelling, "Kill Whitey!"........

Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at June 18, 2015 12:32 PM (sCHw2)

121 Does every establishment have to have a "Sky/Air/Flight Marshal" now?

There's no need to hire someone else for protection. We, by virtue of being human, have an inalienable right of self defense in all circumstances. A little no gun sign on the door or illegitimate law to the contrary doesn't change that.

Posted by: Methos at June 18, 2015 12:32 PM (ZbV+0)

122 "79 Are you filled with joy when a mass murder isn't white?

eh?

Ace is talking about the "human" connection, not race.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 18, 2015 12:27 PM (qCMvj)"

Really? He specifically said he feels shame because the turd resembles him. If he didn't mean skin color what did he mean?

I feel no connection to this turd even if I am white. If Ace had a familial connection I would understand the feelings of shame, but I reject completely the idea I should feel shame because of my skin color.

Posted by: NotCoach at June 18, 2015 12:33 PM (rsudF)

123 Gotta agree with some who have already said it. I had nothing to do with this. Black people gonna mad at ME? Because I am white? Fuck that. They are part of the problem.

Prayers for the families and victims. Horrible tragedy.

Posted by: jewells45 at June 18, 2015 12:33 PM (l/N7H)

124 Does this guy really want a race riot?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 12:19 PM

Yes. Badly.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 18, 2015 12:33 PM (h4vJk)

125 Any minute now we'll get the articles about the primary concern being innocent white people who could face backlash and h8 for this... right?

Posted by: hookedonteledildonics at June 18, 2015 12:33 PM (EviRl)

126 Nikki Haley gave a tearful, but consoling, speech.

And I have to hand it to the people of Charleston, they will handle this unbelievable tragedy with grace and dignity, black and white together.

The last thing they want is "Reverend" Al Sharpton arriving. Sadly, he's on the way.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2015 12:33 PM (FsuaD)

127 Yeah. Women praying in church. If he was really so
concerned about "black rapists", why didn't he go after gangbangers on
the street? Because he was a cowardly little weasel, that's why.

Posted by: rickl at June 18, 2015 12:31 PM (zoehZ)

Exactly. He went where he knew they wouldn't be armed, he sat with them, he heard their prayers, and then he murdered them.
He had to drive at least two hours to reach the church from his home near Columbia. This was not some spur of the moment thing.

He's not crazy. He's evil. Pure evil.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at June 18, 2015 12:33 PM (4df7R)

128 >>There is no such thing as person who lives entirely in reason. There is always an emotional narrative in a person, and usually it's THAT narrative, and not a reasoned, ideological one, that explains that person.

True to a point. But I think this is what largely separates the left from the right. The left allows the gut emotion to rule while the right acknowledges the gut emotion but applies reason and logic on top.

Hate crime laws are an example of gut emotion. The are stupid laws applied unequally based on emotion. Guaranteed this guy will be charged with a hate crime and the usual race baiters will go into overdrive.

They know 99.99999% of us don't think like this killer did and don't act the way he did. And they don't care. They will slime us anyway.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2015 12:33 PM (g1DWB)

129 ace -- it's a philosophically interesting question ...

Which you brought up. By identifying (negatively) with the shooter by race and assuming that non-victim blacks will both identify with the victims because of race and identify random whites with the shooter, because of race.

If -- total fabrication here, I'm just laying out a hypothetical -- if the guy had a member of his family who was a victim of a violent crime committed by a black guy, would his actions then be understandable and something normal people could relate to? Should all those innocent black people kinda-sorta feel guilty because of some unrelated actions by a different black guy against a different white person?

What I'm saying is -- this is a (probably) crazy person, and his actions are his own. I reject him. I reject his actions. But i don't own his actions, and anyone (especially a nonvicitm!) who blames me because of it is just as crazy.

Posted by: sunny-dee at June 18, 2015 12:33 PM (EBoCD)

130 Bet this kid was on SSRI's......seems a pattern with these young guys who go crazy.

Posted by: pam at June 18, 2015 12:34 PM (EAZ7y)

131 I generally try to keep the perspective that the accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty. I'm willing to make an exception in a case like this. "Vengeance is mine," saith the Lord, but the nine dead deserve justice as much as the scum who killed them.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at June 18, 2015 12:34 PM (PlK2t)

132 What "nuance"?

You feel ashamed. Of what ? Of being human, a dude, or white ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 18, 2015 12:34 PM (W3hdj)

133 This will cause Caucasaphobia.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 18, 2015 12:34 PM (dRtHa)

134 I did nothing wrong, and have nothing to apologize for; I am not responsible for what other people do. You're implicitly giving 'Black folks' permission to attack White people.

Check the FBI stats: Whites killing Blacks is very rare; OTOH, Blacks kill hundreds of Whites every year and usually nobody says diddly squat

Posted by: John Adams ( me, not my idiot son Quincy ) at June 18, 2015 12:35 PM (8CdUx)

135 Actually, no, I also have to take issue with the idea of feeling shame for him. That's collective identity, collective guilt...Marxism.

To paraphrase, reject Marx and ALL his works. And that means this race-based anything goes in the shitheap with it.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at June 18, 2015 12:35 PM (2l5vw)

136

Posted by: Victims of 9/11/2001 at June 18, 2015 12:35 PM (GxHdH)

137 Prince Shithead is already weighing in.

This sort of gun violence doesn't happen in other countries.

Uh huh.

Sure it does, fuckwad. It's happened in Germany, the UK, Australia, South Korea, China, Norway, etc.

It's almost like malcontents and the criminally insane exist in all nations of the Earth.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 18, 2015 12:35 PM (oFCZn)

138 133 This will cause Caucasaphobia.
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 18, 2015 12:34 PM (dRtHa)

Eurasian mountain ranges scare the shit out of me already.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 12:35 PM (2Ojst)

139 Black people are going to be angry at white folks -- even if they hide it, they're going to be angry at white folks for what this bloody bastard did. And I won't jeer at this feeling. I understand it.
---
thanks you

Posted by: Rachel Dolezal at June 18, 2015 12:35 PM (/eTPT)

140 111 Sorry Ace, I"m not accepting any responsibility for this evil, mental,l individual because he's white.

This.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 18, 2015 12:35 PM (wGrt8)

141 A quick note - shame is not the same as guilt.

Posted by: grandmalcaesar at June 18, 2015 12:35 PM (yrohn)

142 And while nobody was paying attention, the house just passed Obamatrade.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 18, 2015 12:35 PM (0LHZx)

143 Understandable if black folk mad at whitey, ace?
OK.

Colin. Ferguson.
This whitey still angry..

Posted by: jb at June 18, 2015 12:36 PM (fXVB6)

144

I also hope Sharpton falls and breaks something while he runs, runs, runs as fast as he can to SC to race bait.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 18, 2015 12:36 PM (qCMvj)

145 There's no need to hire someone else for protection. We, by virtue of being human, have an inalienable right of self defense in all circumstances. A little no gun sign on the door or illegitimate law to the contrary doesn't change that.

Posted by: Methos at June 18, 2015 12:32 PM (ZbV+0)

Amen.

But the push will begin, again, to take away that right.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 18, 2015 12:36 PM (fWAjv)

146 >>i guess i made the mistake of bringing nuance and emotional understanding to an ideology fight

No, thank you for trying.

Posted by: Y-not at June 18, 2015 12:36 PM (RWGcK)

147
How will classifying this as a "hate crime" relieve the grief of those afflicted?

How will classifying this as a "hate crime" make his cold-blooded murder of nine people more reprehensible?

Crime is crime; murder is murder. Slapping a PC-approved adjective in front of it doesn't make it less so. They're fooling themselves.

As for motive, some people are evil... 'nuff said.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at June 18, 2015 12:36 PM (LA2U/)

148 If you accept racial guilt for an individual's crimes (a ridiculous view), you would then have to consider why this monster held nine innocent people responsible for the crimes of some other person who shared their skin tone.

You can't point those fingers without using the logic of the killer.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 18, 2015 12:36 PM (oVJmc)

149 144

I also hope Sharpton falls and breaks something while he runs, runs, runs as fast as he can to SC to race bait.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 18, 2015 12:36 PM (qCMvj)

I hate that fucker. The bodies aren't even cold yet, and he's going up there to stand on them like a macabre podium to attention-whore and line his pockets.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 12:37 PM (2Ojst)

150 There is always an emotional narrative in a person,
and usually it's THAT narrative, and not a reasoned, ideological one,
that explains that person.
Posted by: ace at June 18, 2015 12:29 PM

Maybe it's just me, but I don't really give a damn what his motives were. A serial shoplifter, maybe. Would be good to know "why" if only to take steps to stop that person from doing it again.

I'm sure his defense attorney will regale us with stories about how he was abused as a child, or didn't have his diaper changed often enough, or was rejected by all the pretty girls, or whatever.

It doesn't matter. There's a 99.9% probability that he has not "suffered" anything unknown to people who have made successes of themselves, or at least lived their lives within the law.

Choom Boy wanted us to "understand" the emotional narrative of the 9/11 attackers. He was, in simple terms, full of shit.

If this guy turns out to be guilty, give him the needle. It's not enough punishment, but it's the best we have right now. Don't waste time trying to understand why he turned himself into a screwed-up mess.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 18, 2015 12:37 PM (P8YHq)

151 "100 I think the miscommunication here stems fact that people like to think of themselves in idealized terms, having nothing but strict reason and well-thought out ideology.

I don't believe that bullshit. I have expressed ten thousand times my profound and unshakeable belief that the gut has ideas that are almost a complete mystery to the brain.

To speak of a person's *reason* alone is not to speak of that person at all. There is no such thing as person who lives entirely in reason. There is always an emotional narrative in a person, and usually it's THAT narrative, and not a reasoned, ideological one, that explains that person.

Posted by: ace at June 18, 2015 12:29 PM (bhepQ)"

Except that I do not share any of this turd's emotional narrative. He murdered nine people, and I feel nothing beyond being sickened by such a heinous act. I have no emotional connection to a person I do not know, or relate to. I have sympathy for the victims and their families, and a desire to see evil stamped out.

Posted by: NotCoach at June 18, 2015 12:37 PM (rsudF)

152
How will classifying this as a "hate crime" make his cold-blooded murder of nine people more reprehensible?

I think 'hate crime' is just a way to add a banner of racial grievance to every act.

Rather than prohibit racial enmity, it's designed to perpetuate it.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 18, 2015 12:37 PM (oVJmc)

153 I hate liberals and that scrunt on Fox now--Playing for the Politics in a tragedy. Fuck them all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 12:37 PM (wq4B0)

154 >>126 Nikki Haley gave a tearful, but consoling, speech.

We are missing such an opportunity in not drafting her to run. I simply do not understand it.

Posted by: Y-not at June 18, 2015 12:37 PM (RWGcK)

155 112 108 What did this country

ever do to deserve this worthless POS as it's president?
***
Get 52% of the population to vote for him?
Posted by: 18-1 at June 18, 2015 12:30 PM (78TbK)

52% of the voters, not the population. Just a wee bit of difference there.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 12:31 PM (2Ojst)

___________

If every adult voted, Obama would probably have won more than 52%.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 18, 2015 12:38 PM (0LHZx)

156 If the people of Charleston do not want Al Sharpton to speak for them, they can refuse to let him in the doors of the church, or town hall or wherever. If they let him speak, that says quite a bit about their definition of racial healing.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at June 18, 2015 12:38 PM (02oLK)

157 Damnit. I fucking hate ryan.

Posted by: Prescient11 at June 18, 2015 12:38 PM (Zp6kK)

158 Lost in all of Obama's gun control BS is that South Carolina has perhaps the most restrictive gun control laws in the southeastern US.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at June 18, 2015 12:38 PM (4df7R)

159 I will no longer attend church services .

Posted by: New Atheist at June 18, 2015 12:38 PM (VcOqI)

160 51 Dack Thrombosis,

I'm not the kid was an introverted narcissist druggie.

No suicide risk and uninterested in fighting armed foes.

People suck.

Posted by: Sven10077 at June 18, 2015 12:38 PM (/4AZU)

161 Yeah. Women praying in church. If he was really so
concerned about "black rapists", why didn't he go after gangbangers on
the street? Because he was a cowardly little weasel, that's why.

Posted by: rickl at June 18, 2015 12:31 PM (zoehZ)

This and a drugy. Let's not forget the weasel spent time in jail. Black dudes in jail love young little white boy bitches. Just saying I think he may have snapped after his jail term.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 18, 2015 12:39 PM (0FSuD)

162 154
>>126 Nikki Haley gave a tearful, but consoling, speech.

We are missing such an opportunity in not drafting her to run. I simply do not understand it.

Posted by: Y-not at June 18, 2015 12:37 PM (RWGcK)

I'd love to see her as president some day. She's amazing.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2015 12:39 PM (FsuaD)

163 " i guess i made the mistake of bringing nuance and emotional understanding to an ideology fight.

I don't think your thoughts were wrong.
And I base that on your words below.

"it is every bit as wrong as it is inevitable.

And rather than hectoring someone who feels this way, I'll just say "I understand," and hopefully counsel them into not feeling this way as quickly as possible."

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 18, 2015 12:39 PM (VPLuQ)

164

Why would you feel "shame" that an insane person looks *somewhat* like you do.

Insanity comes in all colors.

Posted by: Running Hobo at June 18, 2015 12:39 PM (l1oyw)

165 104

It's not MY job to reassure them I'm not racist since this happened. I am not guilty; I did not do this.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 18, 2015 12:30 PM (ZvKdv)

This.

Posted by: Face-sized Spider at June 18, 2015 12:40 PM (ecDRv)

166 This will cause Caucasaphobia.

Some on this blog are already afraid of teh gingers.

Posted by: rd at June 18, 2015 12:40 PM (wGMZS)

167 "i guess i made the mistake of bringing nuance and emotional understanding to an ideology fight. "

No, I think a lot of us feel the same way. There is something about an attack on a black church that immediately takes people back to the days of church bombings in a time when we (mostly) feel like we have moved past such overt racism.

I think we have, but clearly it still lies in the hearts of some men, and that IS shameful.

Posted by: Lauren at June 18, 2015 12:40 PM (MYCIw)

168 I see that some are positing that NDBF was possibly mentally ill. I see him as a straight up POS - there is no justification for what NDBF did and if his goal was to terrorize Christians, and particularly black Christians, he should be tried as a terrorist.

Posted by: Penfold at June 18, 2015 12:40 PM (Fbt5B)

169 "He reloaded FIVE times? WTF?!!!!"

Obviously we need to pass legislation banning high capacity magazines. If he only had 3 bullets per magazine and had to reload 20 times, this tragedy would have been averted.

Posted by: Michael Bloomberg at June 18, 2015 12:40 PM (A0f9R)

170 Do you have the same haircut or something?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 18, 2015 12:40 PM (dRtHa)

171 65 I hope the cops caught the right guy. I hope he gets a quick and fair trial. If found guilty, I hope he gets the death penalty, and gets it quickly. But as of now, his guilt is unproven, and therefore he is innocent
---
you mean PRESUMED innocent. Which is for purposes of court procedure. Not our personal opinions.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 18, 2015 12:40 PM (/eTPT)

172 alternative punishment: life without parole, put him in with the black lifers.

also, from weaselzippers:

Shots were fired into Saint Matthew Missionary Baptist Church in the 2000 block of Pendleton Street.

Officers were told that one of the church's pastors noticed a bullet hole in the front door of the building.

It is unknown when the shots were fired, because no one else was at the church at the time.

[odds that is was some Black Revolutionary that fired the shots..?]

Posted by: mallfly at June 18, 2015 12:40 PM (qSIlh)

173 Oh that will happen regardless. I'm sure the same people that said Newtown was a false flag operation were running to their keyboards last night over this incident.

EVERYTHING is a conspiracy now.

That MKUltra thing sure got around.Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 18, 2015 12:29 PM (oFCZn)
Given Fast and Furious, this is sadly all too understandable.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 18, 2015 12:40 PM (GsebS)

174 Remember the DC snipers? They were two black guys. Not for one second did I think...hmmm....it's two black guys killing people, therefore I will be angry at 13% of the population for the actions of those two.

But I guess when the reverse happens, all white people are supposed to feel shame for the actions of this guy.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at June 18, 2015 12:41 PM (0LHZx)

175 Anyone have any ideas what the flags on his jacket represent?

Posted by: I smell something rotten at June 18, 2015 12:41 PM (ctO3Z)

176 i guess i made the mistake of bringing nuance and emotional understanding to an ideology fight.

Posted by: ace at June 18, 2015 12:32 PM (bhepQ)

Shame is a very common, and understandable emotion. It is however, ultimately useless in the pursuit of understanding. People with shame generally take one of two tacks: they see themselves as worthless, or they see themselves as blameless (being in denial).

It is in the overcoming of the underlying shame that change, growth, understanding occur. Until the shame is vanquished, change isn't really possible.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 18, 2015 12:41 PM (TOk1P)

177 God can show him mercy, if the evil murderer repents. That's God's prerogative.

Here on earth, he should be executed. He has time to repent before he dies.

/Christian chique

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 18, 2015 12:41 PM (shFKH)

178 I posted in another thread that there's a local liberal atheist who regularly writes the most hate-filled letters to the editor blasting people of faith.

His name is Daniel Christian Bentley.

I fully expect him to go off one day.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2015 12:41 PM (FsuaD)

179 Fox now with the dumbest interview evah of a girl who lives near the area the car was stopped. STUPID

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 18, 2015 12:41 PM (0FSuD)

180 apartheid South Africa and Rhodesia

Posted by: mallfly at June 18, 2015 12:41 PM (qSIlh)

181 Have a feeling that at some point, it's going to come out that this kid was on psych meds.

/which is another reason young people should not be on psych meds.

Posted by: shibumi who is awash in existential dread at June 18, 2015 12:42 PM (GwjEG)

182 A quick note - shame is not the same as guilt.

They are intrinsically linked. If you feel no guilt for a thing, shame does not follow.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at June 18, 2015 12:42 PM (2l5vw)

183 91 Burt TC,

Guy was a shut-in who didn't have a license at 19....

He's a nut.

Posted by: Sven10077 at June 18, 2015 12:42 PM (/4AZU)

184 "i guess i made the mistake of bringing nuance and emotional understanding to an ideology fight. "

Your mistake wasn't in your gut response. It was in presenting your gut-response as a proper thing to feel.

No, ace, it's not right that you feel shame that some piece of shit like this shares your race. Or if it is, then say that everyone of every race should feel shame whenever one of their number does something reprehensible in their race's name.

No, it's not right that black people will feel hostility towards white people over this. It may be expected, but it's not right, and suggesting it's something we should all be understanding of and just endure is a mistake.

It's one thing to say that you have gut reactions that aren't reasonable or based on reason. It's another thing to imply that they're justified, or that people should accept being scapegoated, lashed out at or blamed for the actions of others because, well, people are emotional.

Posted by: Crude at June 18, 2015 12:42 PM (DUynq)

185 Well we got sold out again on the Trade Bill.

Fuck the GOP. I'll still have to vote for them, because the alternative is worse, but they will not see dime one from me till hell freezes over

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 12:42 PM (wq4B0)

186 Anyone have any ideas what the flags on his jacket represent?

It was reported that the flags were for Rhodesia and South Africa when it was an apartheid state.

Posted by: Penfold at June 18, 2015 12:42 PM (Fbt5B)

187 i guess i made the mistake of bringing nuance and emotional understanding to an ideology fight.

Posted by: ace at June 18, 2015 12:32 PM (bhepQ)

what?

Just because some of us do not feel the same way doesn't mean you can't speak of how you feel.

There's no nuance in how I feel, nor ideology. I felt no shame. Last thing from my mind.

I felt sadness for the victims and their families. The horror for those that witnessed and survived. The nightmares and messed up life afterwards.

The fact that they were a peaceful group, praying.

It's all hideous.

Destroyed by a maniac dirtbag.

He was a 21-year old monster. Any of us here would have taken him out, first shot, regardless of skin color

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 18, 2015 12:43 PM (qCMvj)

188 I think we have, but clearly it still lies in the hearts of some men, and that IS shameful.

Posted by: Lauren at June 18, 2015 12:40 PM (MYCIw)

Why you looking at me?

Posted by: Eric Holder at June 18, 2015 12:43 PM (ecDRv)

189 I think this post betrays ace's liberal origins. Being of an atheist bent, there is no incorporation of original sin into his reasoning about the why of the shooting. Rather, as a secular humanist, he is both aware of and yet cannot escape the associations of groups, in this case race, and feel and loathe any link he could share with this killer no matter how tenuous.

He's trying to overcome it, as explained in the rest of the post, but it's there on such a basic level that he can't exclude it completely.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at June 18, 2015 12:43 PM (8hRAG)

190 >>Anyone have any ideas what the flags on his jacket represent?

Apartheid era Rhodesia and South Africa. And the name roof, which the mayor (I think) of Charleston pronounced more like "raaf" than "roof" sounds awfully Afrikaner like to me.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2015 12:43 PM (g1DWB)

191 My last comment on this awful act:

Many attempts were made to ask "Why?" in the wake of the Boston bombings. No such effort is under way now given the Occam's answer. There is a lesson here for those who report on these things. Not that I expect them to change.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 18, 2015 12:43 PM (659DL)

192

This and a drugy. Let's not forget the weasel spent time in jail. Black dudes in jail love young little white boy bitches. Just saying I think he may have snapped after his jail term.
Posted by: Nip Sip at June 18, 2015 12:39 PM (0FSuD)

Wow, that's a stretch.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 18, 2015 12:43 PM (shFKH)

193 126 Nikki Haley gave a tearful, but consoling, speech.

And I have to hand it to the people of Charleston, they will handle this unbelievable tragedy with grace and dignity, black and white together.

The last thing they want is "Reverend" Al Sharpton arriving. Sadly, he's on the way.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2015 12:33 PM (FsuaD)

Brandon Friedman, the former deputy assistant secretary of public affairs at the Department of Housing and Urban Development, posted a tweet shortly after the Wednesday night shooting linking it to South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley's defense of flying the Confederate flag outside of the South Carolina statehouse.

Ghouls.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 18, 2015 12:43 PM (fWAjv)

194 So, the white/black color prism trumps Ace's nuance.

I took the original post as expressing shame that the shooter and we are members of the human race, resembling us in human form. The "No True Human Being" argument. Maybe I'm misreading it.

Seems a lot of commenters took it from a starting viewpoint of white versus black. Sad.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at June 18, 2015 12:43 PM (NeFrd)

195 Rhodesia fell and the gentle giants ate the white people.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 18, 2015 12:44 PM (dRtHa)

196 185
Well we got sold out again on the Trade Bill.

Fuck the GOP. I'll still have to vote for them, because the
alternative is worse, but they will not see dime one from me till hell
freezes over
xx

Details? Link?

Posted by: shibumi who is awash in existential dread at June 18, 2015 12:44 PM (GwjEG)

197 Anyone have any ideas what the flags on his jacket represent?

According the the article in the Daily Mail, one is of apartheid South Africa and the other is white governed Rhodesia(Zimbabwe).

Posted by: Jen the original at June 18, 2015 12:44 PM (r+ad+)

198 Shame?? My God Ace grow a set of balls will you? Normally the agree with a lot of what you write, but that is just fucking pathetic.

Posted by: D r Bombay at June 18, 2015 12:44 PM (XNkEi)

199 The race mongers own this, plain and simple. You cannot keep stirring the pot and not expect something to float up from the bottom.

Posted by: Weasel at June 18, 2015 12:44 PM (6xtq3)

200 118 i guess i made the mistake of bringing nuance and emotional understanding to an ideology fight.

Posted by: ace at June 18, 2015 12:32 PM (bhepQ)

Well ace I think for most people the extent of emotional feeling is "string this mother fucker up." So a bit of philosophical insight on rational thought vs. emotional base views is going to have a reaction similar to what you gave to Dack. Especially at a place full of conservatives where individualism is much stronger than society as a whole.

Posted by: buzzion at June 18, 2015 12:45 PM (zt+N6)

201 I took the original post as expressing shame that the shooter and we are members of the human race, resembling us in human form. The "No True Human Being" argument. Maybe I'm misreading it.

Seems a lot of commenters took it from a starting viewpoint of white versus black. Sad.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at June 18, 2015 12:43 PM (NeFrd)

So did I.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 18, 2015 12:45 PM (shFKH)

202 Is the JEF not the most emotionless, empty-sounding POS ever??

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2015 12:45 PM (FsuaD)

203 who was it who said 'never let a crisis go to waste'? Repub or Dem?

Posted by: mallfly at June 18, 2015 12:46 PM (qSIlh)

204 154 Y-Not,

Yup the GOP is not into that victory thing...

Posted by: Sven10077 at June 18, 2015 12:46 PM (/4AZU)

205 >>The race mongers own this, plain and simple. You cannot keep stirring the pot and not expect something to float up from the bottom.

Bingo. If anyone should feel shame it is the Sharptons and Holders of this world. They have been systematically flaming the racial flames since day 1.

But they have no shame.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2015 12:46 PM (g1DWB)

206 The concept of shared guilt is pretty common in my faith. Catholics re-enact the trial leading up to the crucification and say "Crucify him!" not out of an attempt to blame Jews, but to acknowledge our own failings. It's a way to admit that we all, through our failings to follow God's teachings, share responsibility for the evil that men do.
---
my understanding is that if mine were the only sins ever committed, Jesus still would have chosen to be crucified just to redeem me. Thus i am directly responsible through my choices for his suffering and death.
I'm not sharing responsibilty. I'm taking my own.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 18, 2015 12:46 PM (/eTPT)

207 202 Is the JEF not the most emotionless, empty-sounding POS ever??
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2015 12:45 PM (FsuaD)

He's a meat puppet. Others speak through him.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at June 18, 2015 12:46 PM (RD7QR)

208 This and a drugy. Let's not forget the weasel spent time in jail. Black
dudes in jail love young little white boy bitches. Just saying I think
he may have snapped after his jail term.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 18, 2015 12:39 PM (0FSuD)

It was hardly a term. He was out on probation as of April, when he was picked up for misdemeanor trespassing. That they didn't throw him back in the clink for what I have to assume was a violation of parole tells me that they didn't keep him in prison for very long to begin with.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at June 18, 2015 12:47 PM (4df7R)

209 203
who was it who said 'never let a crisis go to waste'? Repub or Dem?

That would be ballerina Rahm Emmanuel (D-douchebag).

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2015 12:47 PM (FsuaD)

210 Ace - once, a while back, you had an absolutely devastating comeback to some kind of white nationalist commenter, who had been going on about the white race and its awesome accomplishments.

Your reply, which I wish I had saved at the time, was that racism was usually a sign that the racist had no accomplishments *of their own* and was just trying to get in on the successes of others by talking up being a part of "team white man".

I thought it was great, but I haven't been able to find it by searching the site.

Might you be willing to repost it someday? I personally think it would stand as an excellent rejoinder to the evil little shit who killed nine innocent people to make himself seem important.

Posted by: SparcVark at June 18, 2015 12:47 PM (nKOXj)

211 I am without words.

Nine human beings, innocents all, lie dead. And yet other humans who call themselves human can not remain mute without trying to use this horrible tragedy for their own selfish reasons.

Actually I do have words. To those trying to take political advantage of this, may everything you accuse others of doing come at you thricefold. So mote it be below and so mote it be above.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 18, 2015 12:47 PM (oBUqt)

212 From the Yahoo story, apparently this turd was 19, unemployed, didn't have a driver's license, and kept to himself all day. Of course, his family described him as 'quiet'. He got the gun for his birthday, even though he appears to have had every characteristic of people you DON'T buy guns for.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at June 18, 2015 12:47 PM (PtTYB)

213 This sort of gun violence doesn't happen in other countries.

***
In the glorious people's Soviet Socialist Republic they did not have problems with random gun violence. In fact, they left the gun violence to experts like Vasily Mikhailovich Blokhin who supposedly shot over 7,000 "counter revolutionaries" personally...

That's right, the worst individual murderer in history did so with a gun in a country that effectively banned private gun ownership...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 18, 2015 12:47 PM (78TbK)

214 the Crusades ? F*uck you Ace and your historically ignorant knee jerk white guilt attitude ... pray for the dead ... otherwise STFU about the Crusades ...

Posted by: KaiserDerden at June 18, 2015 12:48 PM (k5jE4)

215 Just awful.

I have no interest in all this political stuff right now. Crazy people are crazy. Glad they caught him.

Sad, but the 'play dead' scenario continues to be a rather effective way of surviving these things.

Posted by: Le-a is on a boat, MFers! at June 18, 2015 12:48 PM (B6MYe)

216 Prince Shithead is already weighing in.

This sort of gun violence doesn't happen in other countries.
================
Except all of Africa; you know--where the fuckers are burning them alive in churches?

All of the Middle East; you know--where the fuckers are lining Christians up for mass executions?

The true statement would have been "in Japan and a select few European countries."

But that fucker doesn't deal in truth: He deals in hate.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 18, 2015 12:48 PM (ZvKdv)

217 This morning on Fox, there was a black pastor who said that the sad reality is that churches are going to have to face the fact that they need to provide security for their members, whether that means armed security or at least allowing members to carry.

Yes, I heard it with my own ears and I applaud this courageous man.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 18, 2015 12:48 PM (r+ad+)

218 " He was out on probation as of April, when he was picked up for misdemeanor trespassing"

So basically we have a loser who was always a loser who decided to lash out at other people because he's a loser.

Big fucking man going and shooting a bunch of people at church.

Posted by: Lauren at June 18, 2015 12:48 PM (MYCIw)

219 Wow, that's a stretch.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick)

No it is not. Prison Rape is a fact. And just like in the real world, the weak, the young, the vulnerable are the usual victims. Except in prison full of males, they are all male victims.

If this wimpy looking guy was ever in prison, he was likely victimized.

Posted by: rd at June 18, 2015 12:49 PM (wGMZS)

220 And ace, no worries, you feel how you feel.

The reason that this is so shocking is that it never happens.

Whereas the reverse happens often, just never reported.

So, i guess the question is, is white anger against blacks understandable?

That is where we disagree.

Posted by: Prescient11 at June 18, 2015 12:49 PM (Zp6kK)

221 Details? Link?
Posted by: shibumi who is awash in existential dread at June 18, 2015 12:44 PM (GwjEG)

Google it. It passed the House like 218-210 or semething like that and now it goes back to the Senate and if they pass it and they will, it goes to Fredo. And we still will not find out what's in it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 12:49 PM (wq4B0)

222
It was hardly a term. He was out on probation as
of April, when he was picked up for misdemeanor trespassing. That they
didn't throw him back in the clink for what I have to assume was a
violation of parole tells me that they didn't keep him in prison for
very long to begin with.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Vaginassassin, aka Beth at June 18, 2015 12:47 PM (4df7R)

It was around this time his idiot dad gifted him the .45 for his 21st b-day.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2015 12:49 PM (FsuaD)

223 I took the original post as expressing shame that the shooter and we are members of the human race, resembling us in human form. The "No True Human Being" argument. Maybe I'm misreading it.

Wasn't how it read to me, but maybe I read it wrong. Still tired of the whole "collective guilt" idea. Yes, I'm my brother's keeper, but he eventually makes his own decisions, and if I've done what I can, it's on him.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at June 18, 2015 12:49 PM (2l5vw)

224
Guy was a shut-in who didn't have a license at 19....

He's a nut.
Posted by: Sven10077 at June 18, 2015 12:42 PM (/4AZU)

Not every shut-in who gets their driver's license late is a nut...

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 12:49 PM (2Ojst)

225 If he's guilty, lock him up and throw away the key.

No excuse for going into a church and shooting dead a bunch of innocent people just to make some kind of statement about your views on race, politics, whatever.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 18, 2015 12:49 PM (kGrdk)

226 You lost me at "Whenever...".

But you did sound very reasonable so there is that.

Posted by: nip at June 18, 2015 12:49 PM (a6Odp)

227 "216 Prince Shithead is already weighing in.
This sort of gun violence doesn't happen in other countries.
================
Except all of Africa; you know--where the fuckers are burning them alive in churches?"

Nah they use machetes there. on children.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at June 18, 2015 12:49 PM (HEa5q)

228 No, I think a lot of us feel the same way. There is something about an
attack on a black church that immediately takes people back to the days
of church bombings in a time when we (mostly) feel like we have moved
past such overt racism.

I guess that's why I find it interesting. Racism hasn't been a real problem during my lifetime (at least white against black). I see this story and see 9 of my brothers and sisters in Christ murdered in their church during prayer. I see less race and more demonic (particularly given the young man + drugs angle).

Posted by: Methos at June 18, 2015 12:49 PM (ZbV+0)

229 To all who propose a grisly execution: think. We need the death penalty, desperately, and a grisly execution just provides grist for those who would ban capital punishment.

We need to observe the proprieties, conduct a fair trial, and if he's convicted, execute him in a firm but humane way, with proper decorum. I've long advocated bringing back hanging, and this guy (assuming he's guilty) would be the poster boy for that proposal.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 18, 2015 12:49 PM (oKE6c)

230
Seems a lot of commenters took it from a starting viewpoint of white versus black. Sad.

In the already-existing context, the issue is already racialized.

I'm not viewing it as race vs. race, but as race guilt vs. individual guilt.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 18, 2015 12:49 PM (oVJmc)

231 I wish authorities refrained from labeling atrocities "hate crimes" until there was evidence of the killer's motive. Actually, I wish they wouldn't use "hate crimes" at all, but if it must be used, let it be used with meaning.

Similarly, I dislike the generic use of the word "tragedy." Natural disasters are calamities; intentional evils are atrocities; events caused by human frailty (accidents, crimes of passion) are tragedies.

Finally, Dylann Roof watched his victims study and pray for an hour before he killed them. This evil is similar to that of the 9/11 terrorists.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 18, 2015 12:49 PM (14baQ)

232 I took the original post as expressing shame that the shooter and we are members of the human race, resembling us in human form. The "No True Human Being" argument. Maybe I'm misreading it.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at June 18, 2015 12:43 PM (NeFrd)

me too
maybe it's a generational thing?

I keep hearing the new generation(s) don't see "color." And, I have to say, I have seen plenty of proof of it.

That might be why some of us did not get the "shame" thing, if Ace was talking about being white (is he?).

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 18, 2015 12:50 PM (qCMvj)

233 This is a numbers problem. There have always been murders and mass murders and it isn't just in the USA we see awful things like this. We have a lot of people = we will have a lot of crazy people. I think you have to be crazy to do this and things like it. Maybe, not legally crazy but off the rails none the less.

While this is serious and I don't mean to down play it, it isn't the first and won't be the last. Some humans have problems. I've met a few. So the news cycle will have talking heads analyze this blue and come to no different conclusions than the time it happened.

Posted by: just saying at June 18, 2015 12:50 PM (wkuqO)

234 Wow, that's a stretch.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick)

No it is not. Prison Rape is a fact. And just like in the real world, the weak, the young, the vulnerable are the usual victims. Except in prison full of males, they are all male victims.

If this wimpy looking guy was ever in prison, he was likely victimized.
Posted by: rd at June 18, 2015 12:49 PM (wGMZS)

I mean it's a stretch to imply he may have gone on this evil rampage because black guys raped him in prison.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 18, 2015 12:50 PM (shFKH)

235 President Obama came on and I thought "This could be his moment to do something great". Could have been a "Tear down this wall" or "Ask not what your country can do for you" moment. I hoped it would be. That's what we need from our Presidents at times like this.

Instead we get Progressive Community Organizer, politicizing and attempting to immediately use tragedy to move an agenda.

So I woke up to one tragedy, and now just watched another.

Posted by: MostlyRight at June 18, 2015 12:50 PM (YgcLB)

236 181 Have a feeling that at some point, it's going to come out that this kid was on psych meds.

Posted by: shibumi who is awash in existential dread at June 18, 2015 12:42 PM (GwjEG)

I'd bet money on it.

Posted by: rickl at June 18, 2015 12:50 PM (zoehZ)

237 All the muslim gun violence in france didn't count I guess?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 12:50 PM (wq4B0)

238 There's nothing I can do as an individual to end murderous racial animus, nor can I do anything to stop lethal mental illness, so I won't argue about those topics. The only definite practical personal lesson I can take away from this is to start concealed carrying. There are scenarios where concealed carry won't help much, but this particular atrocity could surely have been stopped by a concealed carrier (the monster reloaded FIVE times.)

Posted by: gp at June 18, 2015 12:50 PM (+Jpqc)

239 118 i guess i made the mistake of bringing nuance and emotional understanding to an ideology fight.

Posted by: ace at June 18, 2015 12:32 PM (bhepQ)

I think your perspective is likely different because of your foundation as a secular humanist. Given that premise I think your post is coherent, and I think I grok what you're saying, even if I don't feel any hint of shame because the shooter and I are both white.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at June 18, 2015 12:50 PM (8hRAG)

240
Another idiot who thinks he was saving the white race/America.
He deserves the death penalty.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at June 18, 2015 12:51 PM (m3iiU)

241 re 196: the Hill, via Drudge:

The House on Thursday took the first step toward resuscitating the White House's trade agenda by passing legislation granting President Obama fast-track authority.

The bill now goes to the Senate, where the White House and GOP leaders are seeking to strike a deal with pro-trade Democrats.

The House vote was 218-208, with 28 Democrats voting for it.

This is the second time in a week the House has voted to approve the controversial fast-track bill. On Friday, the House voted 219-211 in favor of fast-track, which would make it easier for Obama to complete a sweeping trans-Pacific trade deal.

Posted by: mallfly at June 18, 2015 12:51 PM (qSIlh)

242 Black people are going to be angry at white folks -- even if they hide it, they're going to be angry at white folks for what this bloody bastard did. And I won't jeer at this feeling. I understand it.
---
I know i can feel that way after some ISIS atrocity or honor killing of a young gir for nothing. Having the sense that maybe Earth would be a better place after removing all Muslims. Not one of my prouder feelings, but i'll not deny it exists.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 18, 2015 12:51 PM (/eTPT)

243 Fast Track passed by 10 votes. If 5 switched their votes it would have tied.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 18, 2015 12:51 PM (dRtHa)

244 My condolences to the families of those who have lost family members to this pathetic, twisted maggot. It is senseless and cruel.

But when their similarly-hued President who received 90% of the black vote throws gas on the fire with his bullshit " Civilized countries (without guns) don't have these problems" political bullshit, and when most of these AME 'churches' are preaching a Jeremiah Wright style, Satan is Whitey message I have VERY VERY difficult time locating my 'compassion' bone.

90% of black voters voted for him. I think we can safely say that he speaks for them.

Grievance groups gotta file their grievance.

Posted by: some random meathead - if you're not drinking, you're not paying attention ] at June 18, 2015 12:51 PM (GxHdH)

245 The linked Daily Mail article has been updated from earlier this morning. They added the bit about Walter Scott, the black man who was shot by the white cop in SC last month.

Piling on, adding to the narrative of one-way racial animus + need for more gun control. This little shit is just too perfect a wet dream for the Left and a perfect squirrel! diversion.

Posted by: fly gal at June 18, 2015 12:51 PM (8TdcF)

246 There was another church shooting several years ago, in Missouri I think.

Yeah here it is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiken_Elam_Saimon

That shouldn't blow out the margins I think.

Something tells me this incident is going to get a lot more attention than the 2007 shooting.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 18, 2015 12:51 PM (oFCZn)

247 Odd that he looks so much like the Gabby Gifford shooter.

Such a sad, sad tragedy.

Posted by: dude guy at June 18, 2015 12:51 PM (q177U)

248 I agree with Ace. The first thing I felt when I saw this news this morning was shame for my race. There may be no logical reason for me to be ashamed, but I was anyway.

Posted by: Chris M at June 18, 2015 12:52 PM (k3w9p)

249 It was around this time his idiot dad gifted him the .45 for his 21st b-day.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2015 12:49 PM (FsuaD)

And given that his son was already a felon and therefore it was ILLEGAL for him to own a gun, that makes the father's decision even MORE idiotic. You do not give your druggie son who, less than six months into the year, has already been picked up twice by police, a g-ddamn GUN.
And there is NO way he's only had two run-ins with the law, btw. I don't believe that for a second. This kid has a juvie record, I guarantee it.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at June 18, 2015 12:52 PM (4df7R)

250 wasn't the Fort Hood shooting considered "workplace violence" by the Obama Admin?

Posted by: mallfly at June 18, 2015 12:52 PM (qSIlh)

251 >>I took the original post as expressing shame that the shooter and we are members of the human race, resembling us in human form. The "No True Human Being" argument. Maybe I'm misreading it.

>>Black people are going to be angry at white folks -- even if they hide it, they're going to be angry at white folks for what this bloody bastard did. And I won't jeer at this feeling. I understand it.

How can you read that and not see collective white guilt?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2015 12:53 PM (g1DWB)

252 224 Insomniac,

His uncle said he discussed the kid's health with his sister starting at 16....

I'm gonna lose liberty and be calumnied b/c of this shithead and the US media...

Busted multiple times for recreational drug use wrapped up in South africa etc etc...

I hate our budding culture.

Posted by: Sven10077 at June 18, 2015 12:53 PM (/4AZU)

253 the Crusades ? F*uck you Ace and your historically ignorant knee jerk white guilt attitude ... pray for the dead ... otherwise STFU about the Crusades ...
Posted by: KaiserDerden at June 18, 2015 12:48 PM (k5jE4)

I'm pretty sure this was dripping /sarc re: the JEF's use of the term...

gosh, ppl, calm down

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 18, 2015 12:53 PM (qCMvj)

254 And yes, i think we need open carry everywhere.

Remember that mass killing in a colorado church? No?

It didn't happen because armed attendee killed the psycho.

Posted by: Prescient11 at June 18, 2015 12:54 PM (Zp6kK)

255 Great post Ace, although one improvement would have been to hide the bastard's name, although it's somewhat mitigated by the fact that he did not take the coward's way and off himself rather than face the music --and have his name be immortalized solely for these murders.

Posted by: logprof at June 18, 2015 12:54 PM (3W9Zk)

256 Too bad the "routine traffic stop" didn't result in his accidental shooting.

Does South Carolina have the death penalty?

Posted by: dude guy at June 18, 2015 12:54 PM (q177U)

257 I don't feel any shame because of what this guy did. I feel extreme sadness for the little 5 year old kid who witnessed it all.

Posted by: NCKate at June 18, 2015 12:54 PM (tidfh)

258
Every mass murderedis human shaped. Skin color is the least important thing about everyone.
To wit: they murder because of what is in their hearts and minds, not what is on their skin.

Posted by: simplemind at June 18, 2015 12:54 PM (5vV+V)

259 I didn't experience any shame. Unfortunately, though, my first thought was "Oh fuck, here we go" thinking of all the race-baiting assholes and gun control fascists who I knew for certain would immediately make hay on the backs of the dead.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 12:54 PM (2Ojst)

260 How can you read that and not see collective white guilt?
Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2015 12:53 PM (g1DWB)

Because I'm not wired that way. Would not have crossed my mind.

Anyhoo... going to go eat lunch.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 18, 2015 12:54 PM (qCMvj)

261 "Shame that this creature looks anything at all like me, shame that there may be a few stray nucleotides in his envenomed heart that resemble my own."

Do Obama and Holder feel the same about Zemir Begic's murderers?

"Whenever there is a murder or outrage that crosses racial lines, there is understandable, and inevitable, tribal survival instinct that kicks in."

Was there any tribal outrage about Begic, or the numerous other hate crime murders that went the other direction? Or maybe this was an expression of it?

Posted by: Al Charlatan at June 18, 2015 12:54 PM (6qR/9)

262 re 254: Geo Wallace, Lester Maddox, etc were Democrats

Posted by: mallfly at June 18, 2015 12:54 PM (qSIlh)

263 I'm honestly not sure what kind of warped thought process sends a guy like this off to an act like this.

Does this little piece of filth honestly think that shooting up a black BIBLE STUDY GROUP IN A CHURCH is going to spawn some kind of White Revolt?

There are so many layers of idiocy and ignorance to this, it's a fifty-pound onion of stupid.

Posted by: JEM (sometimes The Devoceleraptor) at June 18, 2015 12:55 PM (o+SC1)

264 I agree with Ace. The first thing I felt when I saw this news this morning was shame for my race. There may be no logical reason for me to be ashamed, but I was anyway.

Posted by: Chris M at June 18, 2015 12:52 PM (k3w9p)

Collective Guilt? Fuck that. Get back to me when the Black Community takes the blame for Fregeson and Balitmore. Oh and no one better mention reperations

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 12:55 PM (wq4B0)

265 This morning on Fox, there was a black pastor who said that the sad reality is that churches are going to have to face the fact that they need to provide security for their members, whether that means armed security or at least allowing members to carry.

Yes, I heard it with my own ears and I applaud this courageous man.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 18, 2015 12:48 PM (r+ad+)

Google Deacons of Defense.

When blacks were allowed guns, they often used them to defend themselves from the Klan. Gun Control has historically been used to keep guns out of the hands of "those People." Where "those People" were balcks, immigrants, jews, unionists, etc.

Gun Control is used to keep minorities defenseless.

Posted by: rd at June 18, 2015 12:55 PM (wGMZS)

266 I didn't experience any shame. Unfortunately, though, my first thought was "Oh fuck, here we go" thinking of all the race-baiting assholes and gun control fascists who I knew for certain would immediately make hay on the backs of the dead.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 12:54 PM (2Ojst)

------------------------------------

Ditto.

Posted by: Al Charlatan at June 18, 2015 12:55 PM (6qR/9)

267
The true statement would have been "in Japan and a select few European countries."

Not France.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 18, 2015 12:55 PM (oVJmc)

268 Yeah, something wrong with the parents, sounds like.

Posted by: dude guy at June 18, 2015 12:56 PM (q177U)

269 Collective Guilt? Fuck that. Get back to me when the Black Community
takes the blame for Fregeson and Balitmore. Oh and no one better mention
reperations

QFT

Posted by: some random meathead - if you're not drinking, you're not paying attention ] at June 18, 2015 12:56 PM (GxHdH)

270 The only comment on Dickless's FB page.

http://tinyurl.com/q9jkpj8

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 18, 2015 12:56 PM (fWAjv)

271 It was hardly a term. He was out on probation as of
April, when he was picked up for misdemeanor trespassing. That they
didn't throw him back in the clink for what I have to assume was a
violation of parole tells me that they didn't keep him in prison for
very long to begin with.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Vaginassassin, aka Beth at June 18, 2015 12:47 PM (4df7R

Prison rape doesn't take long. Not making excuses for this scum bag, just saying.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 18, 2015 12:56 PM (0FSuD)

272 F*cking traitors in the House just passed TPA, 218-208.

They couldn't sell out our sovereignty fast enough.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 18, 2015 12:56 PM (kGrdk)

273 Seems a lot of commenters took it from a starting viewpoint of white versus black. Sad.

Posted by: Muldoon

"Whenever there is a murder or outrage that crosses racial lines,...suspicion and hatred that attaches to the race...Black people are going to be angry at white folks...they're going to be angry at white folks...I would, however, reassure black folks..."

Yeah, mystifying how they could see that

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 18, 2015 12:56 PM (uctT+)

274 The true statement would have been "in Japan and a select few European countries."

Not France.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 18, 2015 12:55 PM (oVJmc)

hey how's that gun control working in Mexico?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 12:56 PM (wq4B0)

275 @259 - yeah, this guy now gets to live to watch everything his little pea brain thought he was going to accomplish washed away in a sea of Sharpton.

Posted by: JEM (sometimes The Devoceleraptor) at June 18, 2015 12:56 PM (o+SC1)

276 248 I agree with Ace. The first thing I felt when I saw this news this morning was shame for my race. There may be no logical reason for me to be ashamed, but I was anyway.

Posted by: Chris M at June 18, 2015 12:52 PM (k3w9p)

Do you feel shame when white men (the proportional majority of serial killers/mass murderers in the US, I think) kill several humans of other races, including Caucasians, at a time? Is blacks the most valuable human beings in the eyes of God, more valuable than others?

If not, it makes no sense to be ashamed, so please reject the shame you feel. If you are neither a racist or murder, then you have nothing to be ashamed of. Just horrified at.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 18, 2015 12:57 PM (shFKH)

277 What a let down that he was captured instead of killed.

Posted by: JD at June 18, 2015 12:57 PM (TzeLs)

278 prior arrest record for drugs

quelle surprise

Posted by: John Adams ( me, not my idiot son Quincy ) at June 18, 2015 12:57 PM (8CdUx)

279 >>Because I'm not wired that way. Would not have crossed my mind.

>>Anyhoo... going to go eat lunch.

Not a matter of wiring, just reading. That's what ace wrote.

I do not accept the fact that black people should hold me responsible for the act of some crazy, murderous scum because he's white anymore than I hold all black people responsible for the 3 black kids who gunned down that Australian exchange student because they were bored and wanted to kill a white person.

This kind of collective guilt has got to stop. Obama and the left don't want it to but they are going to reap a lot of pain if they keep this up.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2015 12:57 PM (g1DWB)

280 Black people are going to be angry at white folks -- even if they hide it, they're going to be angry at white folks for what this bloody bastard did. And I won't jeer at this feeling. I understand it.

How can you read that and not see collective white guilt?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2015 12:53 PM (g1DWB)

*****

I saw the portion of the post after the block quote as a transition to a discussion of the inevitable racial politicization of the shooting. As I said, maybe I misread Ace' intent. If he peeks back in the thread maybe he will offer some clarification.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at June 18, 2015 12:58 PM (NeFrd)

281 The UN Small Arms Treaty was in there.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 18, 2015 12:58 PM (dRtHa)

282 I'm ashamed for most of my votes for Republicans.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at June 18, 2015 12:58 PM (YFw5T)

283 prior arrest record for drugs

quelle surprise
Posted by: John Adams ( me, not my idiot son Quincy ) at June 18, 2015 12:57 PM (8CdUx)

Well that arrest for Drugs is a little murky. it was for possessing a drug to get him off Narcotics.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 12:58 PM (wq4B0)

284 Ok ... I gotta' admit something. It won't be popular.

I'm just not as "moved" by this, if that's the right word, as many of you.

I see people killed on the news every day. See 'em killed weekly here locally. I guess I'm numb to it by now. This particular incident just doesn't impact me any differently.

Now, obviously, for many of you it does ... and I'm fully aware that my brain just does not work the same as most others. But - for whatever reason - this just doesn't strike me much different.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 18, 2015 12:58 PM (W3hdj)

285 265
This morning on Fox, there was a black pastor who said that the sad
reality is that churches are going to have to face the fact that they
need to provide security for their members, whether that means armed
security or at least allowing members to carry.

Yes, I heard it with my own ears and I applaud this courageous man.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 18, 2015 12:48 PM (r+ad+)

Yet it is extremely likely that he voted for or openly supported Gun-grabber Obama.

Forging their own chains.

Posted by: some random meathead - if you're not drinking, you're not paying attention ] at June 18, 2015 12:58 PM (GxHdH)

286 As this has/will invariably turn to calls for more gun control, let's take time out to remember the Deacons for Defense.

http://tinyurl.com/7bdfuc

>In November 1964, a group of black American citizens in Jonesboro, Louisiana led by Earnest "Chilly Willy" Thomas and Frederick Douglas Kirkpatrick founded a militia to protect civil rights workers against the violence of the Ku Klux Klan. They called it the Deacons for Defense and Justice. Most of them were war veterans with combat experience from the Korean War and World War II, and they armed themselves with military pattern semi-automatic rifles, carbines and pistols. Ironically, these are the same types of firearms that liberal politicians (including Barack Obama) are seeking to ban today as so-called "assault weapons."

Posted by: flounder at June 18, 2015 12:59 PM (ecDRv)

287 I am so glad I already have weapons in my house

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 12:59 PM (wq4B0)

288 281 Boss Moss,

Obama hates our culture and will destroy America by whatever means are necessary.

Posted by: Sven10077 at June 18, 2015 12:59 PM (/4AZU)

289 What a let down that he was captured instead of killed.

South Carolina has the death penalty as I understand it. That should come in handy, assuming he's the guilty one.

they're going to be angry at white folks for what this bloody bastard did. And I won't jeer at this feeling. I understand it.

So when Aaron Alexis shot up the Naval Yard or the DC sniper killed all those people, you felt angry at black folks? Because it makes sense to you?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 18, 2015 01:00 PM (GsvmL)

290 277 What a let down that he was captured instead of killed.

Posted by: JD at June 18, 2015 12:57 PM (TzeLs)

The usual suspects are pointing this out as racism as well.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 18, 2015 01:00 PM (fWAjv)

291 i would gently caution people to respond the way they themselves say that muslims should respond after muslim terrorism.

Acting defensively, and bringing up "their" crimes (the Newsome rape/murders), is kinda... what we get angry about when they do it.

Posted by: ace at June 18, 2015 01:00 PM (bhepQ)

292 The Tin Foil Hat tingles... a creep as if called straight out of central casting for TFG's executive action(s) re the left's gun control shibboleth.

plus... where are they today?

http://tinyurl.com/kr6lcr3

http://tinyurl.com/ntmvy4g

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at June 18, 2015 01:00 PM (ucB75)

293
Yeah, mystifying how they could see that

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 18, 2015 12:56 PM (uctT+)

***

See my #280

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at June 18, 2015 01:00 PM (NeFrd)

294 287 nevergiveup,

All mine were stolen....I need to go shopping.

Posted by: Sven10077 at June 18, 2015 01:00 PM (/4AZU)

295 Muldoon, it seems like we shared the same brain when reading the post. I thought the first part was Ace expressing shame at belonging to the same human race as this murderer.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 18, 2015 01:00 PM (shFKH)

296 Right there are no mass shooting in Scotland or UK because you know, "Gun Control". Obama has a short memory. Repeat that to the parents of these dead kids.

http://tinyurl.com/ow492tg

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 18, 2015 01:01 PM (0FSuD)

297 287 I am so glad I already have weapons in my house

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 12:59 PM (wq4B0)

Wish I did.

Hi Bob from NSA!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 18, 2015 01:01 PM (fWAjv)

298 "Gun violence like this doesn't happen in other advanced nations" JEF

The journalists at Charlie Hebdo and kids in the 2011 shooting in Norway would disagree if they weren't dead from gun violence in other advanced nations.

Posted by: Grimaldi at June 18, 2015 01:01 PM (A0f9R)

299 259 I didn't experience any shame. Unfortunately, though, my first thought was "Oh fuck, here we go" thinking of all the race-baiting assholes and gun control fascists who I knew for certain would immediately make hay on the backs of the dead.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 12:54 PM (2Ojst)

Those were precisely my thoughts.

Posted by: rickl at June 18, 2015 01:02 PM (zoehZ)

300 118 i guess i made the mistake of bringing nuance and emotional understanding to an ideology fight.

Posted by: ace at June 18, 2015 12:32 PM (bhepQ)

============================

Not sure if this is directed at me in any way but your explanation in the comments was better than in the main post.
My complaint - as it were - is only that you brought up a wider discussion when also claiming you didn't think it was warranted at this time.

Posted by: gwelf at June 18, 2015 01:02 PM (TJ8HB)

301 Another smelly troll. Funny how tragedies bring them out. Thanks, Soros.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2015 01:02 PM (FsuaD)

302 236 181 Have a feeling that at some point, it's going to come out that this kid was on psych meds.

Posted by: shibumi who is awash in existential dread at June 18, 2015 12:42 PM (GwjEG)

I'd bet money on it.

Posted by: rickl at June 18, 2015 12:50 PM (zoehZ)

He may have been "self-medicating" if it is true he had been busted for drugs.

Posted by: rd at June 18, 2015 01:02 PM (wGMZS)

303 OMG, do not tell me that Obama is talking about gun control right now. You have to GOT be kidding me.

I don't know why I'm surprised. Sigh.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 18, 2015 01:03 PM (shFKH)

304 So there's the horrific church-mass-murder news on the same day that there's news of the House having passed the "trade promotion authority" whose text is kept under lock and key in a guarded room well away from the eyes of the ordinary citizenry.

Jerry Pournelle coined a phrase a couple of years ago to describe where he thought that the USA was heading politically and socially.

That phrase was "anarcho-tyranny", and rarely has it sounded more apposite than today.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 18, 2015 01:03 PM (noWW6)

305 The Banhammer is on fire today!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2015 01:03 PM (FsuaD)

306 i would gently caution people to respond the way they themselves say that muslims should respond after muslim terrorism.

Acting defensively, and bringing up "their" crimes (the Newsome rape/murders), is kinda... what we get angry about when they do it.

Posted by: ace at June 18, 2015 01:00 PM (bhepQ)

Oh come on ACE. Sure there is White Racism against Blacks, but where are the White Leaders issuing Fatwas? Where are the White Pastors preaching hate from their Pullits? Gee Ace, your usually better than that. Wow what a stretch

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 01:03 PM (wq4B0)

307 I'm a pasty white dude, and my first reaction to this is "where do I sign up to be this piece of shit's executioner?", and then of course my Christian upbringing kicks in and I weep for the dead and pray for their immortal souls.

The MSM will be sure to try to use this to gin up the race war they've been trying to get started for so long. Lord knows that's the last thing this country needs right now.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 18, 2015 01:03 PM (72D6h)

308 "Well that arrest for Drugs is a little murky. it was for possessing a drug to get him off Narcotics"

That doesn't really help his case much. Still shows he was a druggy.

Posted by: Lauren at June 18, 2015 01:03 PM (MYCIw)

309

Posted by: Kate58 at June 18, 2015 01:03 PM (MvtKs)

310 291 Ace,

Pointing out we are held to collective guilt standards the left and media wails at WRT Riot Inc and Islam ain't blame shifting....

I don't care much anymore, you're allowed to be proud of any identity but one in America now....

"Conservative American"

Posted by: Sven10077 at June 18, 2015 01:03 PM (/4AZU)

311 I think it's dumb to have shame for the actions of others that share my skin color. Sure the scottish, irish, and scandi are abominations that should be wiped from the earthy, but my skin color has no connection to their actions. How about we feel shame and sadness over a human being being evil?

Posted by: Draki at June 18, 2015 01:04 PM (pmv/9)

312 I would gently caution people to respond the way they themselves say that muslims should respond after muslim terrorism.

While I agree with this sentiment in general, it doesn't really apply here. I'm not part of any ideological or religious team with this shooter. And lumping people together by their appearance is stupid and arbitrary.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 18, 2015 01:04 PM (GsvmL)

313 OMG, do not tell me that Obama is talking about gun control right now.

Never let a crisis go to waste.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 18, 2015 01:04 PM (oVJmc)

314 i don't feel any sense of shame when a fellow member of team honky does something horrible.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at June 18, 2015 01:04 PM (HEa5q)

315 And the one MOST responsible for the Race War, and YES there is a race war going on now, is FREDO and the lacky of his HOLDER

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 01:05 PM (wq4B0)

316 I am watching 1936 romantic movies with Jimmy Stewart and real Injuins.

Beats the news............http://tinyurl.com/o9np9y3

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 18, 2015 01:05 PM (0FSuD)

317 Just saying I think
he may have snapped after his jail term.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 18, 2015 12:39 PM

fgs, are you attempting to make an excuse for the asshole?

Posted by: willow at June 18, 2015 01:05 PM (nqBYe)

318 Have a feeling that at some point, it's going to come out that this kid was on psych meds.

Almost certain he'll be revealed to be a pot smoker and given the trend of the last 10 years, probably votes Democrat when he votes at all.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 18, 2015 01:05 PM (GsvmL)

319 It sure sounds like the guy may have been a white racist. This minister could have been a force FOR Republicans, and more problem for Democrats. It is hard to say this is anything but a crazy racist.

Of course the implications of his middle name being "Storm" are pretty clear. With Sharpton banging the drums, hopefully more of these racist nuts won't come out of the woodwork. Sharpton is not responsible, but we have not had racial healing, and racists have been "roaming the streets" calling for riot.

Posted by: Illiniwek at June 18, 2015 01:05 PM (8bK1p)

320 They are going to whine that he was taken alive while Brown, Vandermeritt, etc., were not.

Besides the fact that the police had the numbers on their side and the creep didnt point a gun at them, unlike the race baiters I would have prefered if he was shot and killed.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 18, 2015 01:05 PM (iQIUe)

321 There definitely is this idea that only white people should feel shame for anything.

I reject this assertion.

I reject it on many grounds, not the least of which is that certain elements in society wish to leverage this installed shame to attain goals that are detrimental to my personal safety as well as the safety of those I care about.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 18, 2015 01:05 PM (oFCZn)

322 We might as well have elected Al Sharpton president. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Posted by: maddogg at June 18, 2015 01:06 PM (xWW96)

323 307 Sharkman,

Kid's 21...he'll be executed before 31 unless he pleads if convicted...

A lot of us would throw the switch.

Posted by: Sven10077 at June 18, 2015 01:06 PM (/4AZU)

324 I was very sad to read this story last night and prayed for the victims and their families. I did not feel shame, however, as a white person as I was not raised to hate.

I note the The Prez spoke today about this...yet he remains silent on the murders of policemen...some white, some black, but all Americans. Silent. He remains silent when radical islamice mooslems machete police on the street. He remains slient when mooslems attempt to bomb sites in NYC. He remains silent when mooslems attempt to do anything of terror. He picks and chooses his outrage.

This mass murderer, a guy who shares my skin color but not my beliefs nor sanity, should be put to death. The mooslems who bomb marathons in Boston should be put to death....and those who kill police, whether black, white or orange, should be put to death.

Again...where is his outrage on the recent police killings?

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,supermodel,Redneck Queen, Last of Romanovs' at June 18, 2015 01:06 PM (FCPu0)

325 i would gently caution people to respond the way they themselves say that muslims should respond after muslim terrorism.

Ace, I'll reject the guy. I'll rat him out. I'll call for maximum penalty.

That's what I expect decent people to do in a situation like this, to side with human decency over tribe.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 18, 2015 01:06 PM (oVJmc)

326 Can we start a conversation on neo-national socialist pricks? Please, I want to talk about this on twitter and with every dumb socialist liberal. It'll be fun.

Posted by: Draki at June 18, 2015 01:06 PM (pmv/9)

327 Obama could not care less about the dead. He'll use the tragedy as a political ploy.

He's as cold-blooded as anyone I've ever seen.

That kid may be bat-shit crazy and absolutely evil, but the JEF isn't too far removed from that condition.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2015 01:06 PM (FsuaD)

328 313 OMG, do not tell me that Obama is talking about gun control right now.

Never let a crisis go to waste.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 18, 2015 01:04 PM (oVJmc)

That vile sucker of cock doesn't give two shits about the nine dead people beyond how he can use them to advance his agenda. Fuck. Him.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 01:06 PM (2Ojst)

329 Acting defensively, and bringing up "their" crimes (the Newsome rape/murders), is kinda... what we get angry about when they do it.

Posted by: ace at June 18, 2015 01:00 PM (bhepQ)
-----------------------------

Pointing out the logical errors in your thinking by using a counter example is not acting defensively, changing the subject, etc. It's just pointing out an error in what you've written.

Posted by: Al Charlatan at June 18, 2015 01:06 PM (6qR/9)

330 320 million people in the country who don't murder. A few thousand who do, but the 320 million have to feel guilty for something they didn't do, won't do, don't do.

Meanwhile a few thousand will use this story as an excuse to do their own murdering because they feel justified.

I'm not buying it. I'm not buying the story. I'm not one of the guilty. I'm not giving up my rights because of one guy. I'm not ignoring the mayhem that happens every night in the big cities. I'm not taking the blame for any of it.

Posted by: Ualam Godfrie at June 18, 2015 01:06 PM (Tna05)

331 the cereal bowl haircut--the sign of a mature, fully-realized White man

in the photo on Fox, he tries to scowl but is pouting. The pathos, it burns,,,

Posted by: John Adams ( me, not my idiot son Quincy ) at June 18, 2015 01:06 PM (8CdUx)

332 Muldoon, it seems like we shared the same brain when reading the post. I thought the first part was Ace expressing shame at belonging to the same human
race as this murderer.

Here's what changed that thought for me:
"Shame that this creature looks anything at all like me,".

Posted by: rickb223 at June 18, 2015 01:06 PM (WCI4d)

333 He didnt adopt the trappings of a racist beyond the sweatshirt. You wd expect him to have a shaved head and rune tats all over his stupid face.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 18, 2015 01:07 PM (iQIUe)

334 317
Just saying I think

he may have snapped after his jail term.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 18, 2015 12:39 PM

fgs, are you attempting to make an excuse for the asshole?

Posted by: willow at June 18, 2015 01:05 PM (nqBYe)

I don't think saying that someone snapped is attempting to make excuses, but attempting to understand or explain the situation. An excuse would try to absolve someone of responsibility, right?

Posted by: Draki at June 18, 2015 01:07 PM (pmv/9)

335 311 Drakl,

Amen, will Allahpundit and other atheists feel collective shame if he's a secular

Posted by: Sven10077 at June 18, 2015 01:07 PM (/4AZU)

336 They got the death penalty down there? Can we fast-track this one? Barring that, we really have to find some way to make such animals have a long, horrible rest of their lives behind bars, breaking rocks in Death Valley or making ice cubes out of glaciers up in Alaska. No possibility of parole, no cable TV, none of that nonsense. 16 hours per day of misery until the reaper comes for them.

Posted by: Agent J at June 18, 2015 01:08 PM (9Mtv3)

337 "Obama has a short memory."

It's not that at all. What it is is his template for every damn thing - get a beneficial - to- him LIE out into the media IMMEDIATELY, let it become the default narrative with the help of his press, and have the LIV'S gobble it up as truth. He knows what works to sway the terminally stupid.

Posted by: Jaws at June 18, 2015 01:08 PM (Jktp1)

338 I see people killed on the news every day. See 'em killed weekly here
locally. I guess I'm numb to it by now. This particular incident just
doesn't impact me any differently.

That's completely understandable, ScoggDog, and more, I think, a reflection of how the news has saturated our lives with brutality and crime to the point that we HAVE to distance ourselves from it.

In this case, the sheer number of dead and the cold, sociopathic actions of the killer - sitting in the church for an hour with them as they prayed - makes it stand out to me, and that makes me feel it on a level I don't when I hear about this druggie killing that druggie.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at June 18, 2015 01:08 PM (4df7R)

339

Who the heck names their kid "Storm Roof"?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 18, 2015 01:08 PM (qCMvj)

340 Here's what changed that thought for me:
"Shame that this creature looks anything at all like me,".

Posted by: rickb223 at June 18, 2015 01:06 PM (WCI4d)

***

Hell, I don't even know what that sentence might mean. Maybe Ace has a bowl haircut. Hard to get an Ewok to sit still in the barber chair.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at June 18, 2015 01:09 PM (NeFrd)

341 Here's what changed that thought for me:
"Shame that this creature looks anything at all like me,".
Posted by: rickb223 at June 18, 2015 01:06 PM (WCI4d)

==========

But Ace is an ewok.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 18, 2015 01:09 PM (iQIUe)

342 331 John adams,

He reminds me of the idiot out in Cali....the Hollywood dude's kid that went postal...

Posted by: Sven10077 at June 18, 2015 01:09 PM (/4AZU)

343 Did this guy have a job? Where did he get his money for drugs and gas?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 18, 2015 01:09 PM (iQIUe)

344 It sure sounds like the guy may have been a white racist.

Maybe, not enough info to even form a vague guess at this point. But you can be sure that the press will push that angle no matter what the truth is. People to this day think that census worker was killed by right wing anti-government types, for example.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 18, 2015 01:09 PM (GsvmL)

345 321 There definitely is this idea that only white people should feel shame for anything.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 18, 2015 01:05 PM (oFCZn)

This! Every other race and culture is taught to be proud of their achievements, but white people, and only white people, are expected to feel nothing but guilt and shame for our history.

Posted by: rickl at June 18, 2015 01:10 PM (zoehZ)

346
That vile sucker of cock doesn't give two shits about the nine dead
people beyond how he can use them to advance his agenda. Fuck. Him.

Remember the Tuscon 'Memorial?'

It was a campaign event.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 18, 2015 01:10 PM (oVJmc)

347 Just unfriended an old acquantance on FB who was making an anti-gun point on the back of this shooting. I fuckin hate idiots and liberals. Sorry for repeating myself

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 01:10 PM (wq4B0)

348 These guys always have three names.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 18, 2015 01:10 PM (dRtHa)

349 335
311 Drakl,

Amen, will Allahpundit and other atheists feel collective shame if he's a secular

Posted by: Sven10077 at June 18, 2015 01:07 PM (/4AZU)

LOL, no atheists generally don't believe in moral objectivity. They probably only believe in individual shame.

Posted by: Draki at June 18, 2015 01:10 PM (pmv/9)

350 He still reminds me of Lucas Helder b/c they look alike.

Helder always had a smile on his face and the note with the bomb he left in the mailbox had a smiley face, too. 12 years later, he's still not been found fit for trial.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 18, 2015 01:11 PM (iQIUe)

351 I love watching the banhammer in action.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2015 01:11 PM (FsuaD)

352 I gotta say though, if your kid looks like this and acts like what we know of him already, maybe a .45 isn't the best birthday present.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 18, 2015 01:11 PM (GsvmL)

353

While Obama's pathetic little minions were smugly trolling about online blaming guns and conservatives for the awful shooting in Charleston overnight, all he could muster was a tweet to celebrate Islam:

I won't paste the tweet.

therightscoop

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 18, 2015 01:12 PM (qCMvj)

354 There is evil in this world. There are evil people.

Evil is not confined to one color or one sex.

May God give the grieving families strength to cope with this evil event.

May the politicians keep their pie holes shut as well.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 18, 2015 01:12 PM (F2IAQ)

355 Maybe that's it Beth. I dunno'. My wife says I'm systematically turning off all my positive emotions.

Still got all the bad ones, though.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 18, 2015 01:12 PM (W3hdj)

356 well sure He was obviously an upstanding human prior to going to jail on drug charges.

also i don't know if a prior trespassing charge was also his?

Posted by: willow at June 18, 2015 01:12 PM (nqBYe)

357 344 Christopher Taylor,

Hollywood loves their lies I was rewatching Longmire season 3..."right wing nut job killed census worker" in 3d to last episode

Posted by: Sven10077 at June 18, 2015 01:12 PM (/4AZU)

358 Oh you're so fucking witty Salon.

http://tinyurl.com/oot59pa

They include:

1. What is radicalizing white men to commit such acts of domestic terrorism and mass shootings? Are Fox News and the right-wing media encouraging violence?

2. Is something wrong with the white family? Why are their sons and men so violent?

3. What should law enforcement and white politicians do about white crime?

4. Is the Charleston mass shooting just one more sign that America needs sensible and reasonable gun control policies?

5. Where are the white fathers in the white home?

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 18, 2015 01:13 PM (fWAjv)

359 Pope Francis Calls For Cultural Revolution To Fight Global Warming

The last cultural revolution killed millions.

Weasel Zippers

Dope on a Pope

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 01:13 PM (wq4B0)

360 not to mention his association with some group like stormfront

Posted by: willow at June 18, 2015 01:13 PM (nqBYe)

361 "And the one MOST responsible for the Race War, and YES there is a race war going on now, is FREDO and the lacky of his HOLDER"

The fact that their incessant race baiting will set off a certain percentage of mentally unstable people on both sides of this ginned-up struggle is a feature, not a bug, amoral power-hungry shitstains like TFG.

The nine lives stolen last night are an acceptable loss to him so long as he can advance his agenda.

Posted by: Jaws at June 18, 2015 01:14 PM (Jktp1)

362 "Remember the Tuscon 'Memorial?' It was a campaign event."

(cough) Paul Wellstone service (cough)

Posted by: torquewrench at June 18, 2015 01:14 PM (noWW6)

363 Oh you're so fucking witty Salon.

So much epic fail.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 18, 2015 01:14 PM (WCI4d)

364 We had a spate of car breakins in our church parking lot a few years ago.

You have to be a low-life POS to break into people's cars to steal cellphones and whatever while they're worshiping.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2015 01:15 PM (FsuaD)

365 359 Nevergiveup,

Go over to Tepid...Poppin' Fresh explains what Dope Frank *really* meant....AGAIN

Posted by: Sven10077 at June 18, 2015 01:15 PM (/4AZU)

366 I guess Salon would want, what, more welfare and student loans for white kids? Follow their snark down the same old lines and it turns out they're actually making fun of themselves.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 18, 2015 01:15 PM (oVJmc)

367 That vile sucker of cock doesn't give two shits about the nine dead people beyond how he can use them to advance his agenda. Fuck. Him.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 01:06 PM (2Ojst)

Don't hear him being upset about the slow serial killings of blacks in almost every large city. Would he be using this as an agenda talking point if the races were reversed. I think not.

In summary Fuck him.

Posted by: just saying at June 18, 2015 01:15 PM (wkuqO)

368
First thoughts: Those poor people and that vile scum
Second thought: Here comes the racial hate and the left smearing us

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at June 18, 2015 01:15 PM (+aCe4)

369 Did this guy have a job? Where did he get his money for drugs and gas?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 18, 2015 01:09 PM (iQIUe)
-----------------------------------
If he doesn't, will Harf defend him?

Posted by: Al Charlatan at June 18, 2015 01:15 PM (6qR/9)

370
When Gabby Giffords got shot, I was not ashamed.
When the kids got shot in that school, not ashamed.
Etc etc etc. The race of victims and shooters, is the least important thing about every one of those people. Hearts and minds people. The outside of a person is just about as important asthe paper bag that bottle of Val U rite is sittin'in right now.
Do you value the bag or the vodka?

Posted by: simplemind at June 18, 2015 01:15 PM (5vV+V)

371 Midnight Hockey?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 18, 2015 01:15 PM (dRtHa)

372

Maybe he wanted to get his picture on the cover of the Rolling Stone.

Posted by: Tsarnyev Fanboi at June 18, 2015 01:16 PM (KH8nb)

373
i would gently caution people to respond the way they themselves say that muslims should respond after muslim terrorism.
==========
Do all whites read from the same book that tells them anyone who is not white is evil and that god commands they either become white or be killed?

'Cause all moslums read from the same book that tells them all who are not moslums should be made moslum or dead.

When all whites read from the same book--and identify themselves as white because they read from that book--then, and only then will we need to, as a group, condemn the acts of this beast for what he has claimed as an act of all whites.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 18, 2015 01:16 PM (ZvKdv)

374
I would gently caution people to respond the way they themselves say that muslims should respond after muslim terrorism.

I think we've all been doing that. I may of course be wrong, but I haven't seen anyone saying, "Yeah, good on him!" or even, "I won't comment on this because I don't know the reasons behind what happened." We see a cold-blooded mass murderer and we call him what he is: a cold-blooded mass murderer.

My issue with Muslims is that they DON'T, as a whole, come out and decry the actions of the murderers in ISIS or the Taliban or Boko Haram. Part of that, I'm sure, is fear of retaliation. Not all of it, but it's hard to stand up and say, "ISIS is wrong and they're doing bad things because their belief is fucked up," when you're going to be accused of Islamophobia EVEN THOUGH YOU"RE MUSLIM YOURSELF. The Dipshit Preezy does no service to true "moderate" muslims who would stand up against the brutality of Islamic terrorists when he treats anyone who blames their actions on their religion as hateful Islamophobes. The moderate muslims have no safe harbor when they're going to be told they were "asking for it" by standing up to the lunatics in their midst.

I have no such fear of retaliation, because I know that racist pieces of shit like Dickless Whoreson here are in the vast minority. I like to think that I would be just as strident in my condemnation of him if this were still the height of the Klan era, but of course I can't know that. All I know is NOW, and NOW I see everyone with a heart and a soul, regardless of color, age, gender or religion, coming out to call Dickless Whoreson an evil sonofabitch.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at June 18, 2015 01:16 PM (4df7R)

375 Sorry I refuse to feel shame for this person's alleged actions.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at June 18, 2015 01:16 PM (TV9BR)

376 OMG, I feel so much shame from the crimes of neo-national socialists that share my skin color! How can I ever get over this fever?!

Posted by: Draki at June 18, 2015 01:16 PM (pmv/9)

377 359 Pope Francis Calls For Cultural Revolution To Fight Global Warming

The last cultural revolution killed millions.

Weasel Zippers

Dope on a Pope
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 01:13 PM (wq4B0)

Sounds like he's full of Papal bull.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 01:16 PM (2Ojst)

378 358
Oh you're so fucking witty Salon.

http://tinyurl.com/oot59pa

*sigh* My sister's favorite blog.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2015 01:17 PM (FsuaD)

379 In this case, the sheer number of dead and the cold, sociopathic actions of the killer - sitting in the church for an hour with them as they prayed - makes it stand out to me, and that makes me feel it on a level I don't when I hear about this druggie killing that druggie.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at June 18, 2015 01:08 PM (4df7R)

and that he drove two hours to get there. so planned killing ,
and it looks like there was no prior knowledge or relation just planned murder.

Posted by: willow at June 18, 2015 01:17 PM (nqBYe)

380 Maybe he wanted to get his picture on the cover of the Rolling Stone.

Funny, but fame-whoring is a known motivator and the media's more than willing to do it, time after time.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 18, 2015 01:17 PM (oVJmc)

381 I hate that this happened. God comfort those affected by this little shitweazel. BUT "white guilt"? Ain't no fucking way.

How many blacks have been shot in this nation's black urban areas this past week?

And they're already shouting that whites shouldn't have guns.

Posted by: Soona at June 18, 2015 01:18 PM (Sk6bd)

382 What a dreadful day. As is every day in the Age of Obama.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2015 01:18 PM (FsuaD)

383 You have to be a low-life POS to break into people's cars to steal cellphones and whatever while they're worshiping.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 18, 2015 01:15 PM (FsuaD)

If you're a sociopath, it's a great time to break into people's cars. If you're in the middle of a service, it's highly unlikely that anybody is going to come out and see you, or that anybody else is going to arrive and see you.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 01:18 PM (2Ojst)

384 With the left, EVERYTHING is politicized. I have no qualms about using ANY tactic against them. Nothing will be out of bounds. Nothing over the top. Nothing too tasteless or crass. They have no limits of decency, and so I don't feel good about myself for acting as if I'm better them, I feel like a fool for kidding myself that it is otherwise. And I see those who would advocate better behavior than the left as a moral victory as the worst fools.

Posted by: maddogg at June 18, 2015 01:19 PM (xWW96)

385 I reject it on many grounds, not the least of which
is that certain elements in society wish to leverage this installed
shame to attain goals that are detrimental to my personal safety as well
as the safety of those I care about.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 18, 2015 01:05 PM (oFCZn)

Newsletter?

Posted by: flounder at June 18, 2015 01:19 PM (ecDRv)

386 As to Salon:

The nine people killed are the equivalent of 5.3 days in Baltimore during the month of May. Where is the outrage from the left there?

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at June 18, 2015 01:19 PM (TV9BR)

387 How can I ever get over this fever?!

Posted by: Draki at June 18, 2015 01:16 PM

I hear cowbell is good for that.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 18, 2015 01:19 PM (h4vJk)

388 379 Willow,

Yup....there's something about that....

Asshole drove across the state...I'm glad we're leaving here soon.

Posted by: Sven10077 at June 18, 2015 01:20 PM (/4AZU)

389 #387 I was gonna make a joke with a nazi word that rhymes with fever.... but I think there's a word ban on it.....

Posted by: Draki at June 18, 2015 01:20 PM (pmv/9)

390 nood

Posted by: rickb223 at June 18, 2015 01:21 PM (WCI4d)

391 In summary Fuck him.
Posted by: just saying at June 18, 2015 01:15 PM (wkuqO)

Actually that is too good for him.
However, I commend you for not stating what he really deserves. DoJ, subpoenas, ban hammer and all

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 18, 2015 01:21 PM (F2IAQ)

392 As I do not listen to The Won, ever, has he ever talked about the "gun culture" with gangs? I mean his hometown, Chicago, with murders daily, even of innocent children sitting on porches? Huh? I thought not. He only speaks when a White man kills black people, right?

Gun control with him is only taking guns from registered gun owners, not strung out mental meth heads like this guy, a druggie "introvert" weirdo like other mass murdering psychos. Does he ever talk about gang wars and how they are taking over sections of this country? If he has I stand corrected (or sit corrected as icing stupid foot I nearly broke). xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,supermodel,Redneck Queen, Last of Romanovs' at June 18, 2015 01:21 PM (FCPu0)

393 The MFM and Sharpton are undoubtedly thinking (Finally. Some idiot took the bait. Now we can move forward).

Posted by: Al Charlatan at June 18, 2015 01:23 PM (6qR/9)

394 *#118 i guess i made the mistake of bringing nuance and emotional understanding to an ideology fight.*
****************************************************
And this statement right here kind of explains why the Left is so often able to beat Conservatives. The Left views every and I do mean every tragedy as a way to push their political agenda.

We as Conservatives tend to take personal responsibility for our own actions and thus expect others to do the same. The Left does not think this way. They openly make excuses for the horrific crimes done by members of their protected groups. They might condemn the action but they always find some way to turn the criminals actions toward forwarding some part of their agenda or the Left's chosen narrative.

We as Conservatives must take a lesson from the Left on this if we don't we will continue to lose our rights as citizens. Ace as someone who is a major voice in the growing Conservative "New Media" can not afford to make that kind of mistake when the Left will not do the same.

As much as I hate to say this we should condemn the action but just like the Left we need to be able to not jump to condemn his self justification. In this case his anger over the crime of rape of white women by black men.

I hope that was clear. I am not always the best at clearly expressing exactly what I am trying to say.

Posted by: southdakotaboy at June 18, 2015 01:24 PM (yh4lQ)

395 Roof is evil. He and he alone is responsible. And he should receive the harshest sentence possible under SC law.

That said once it's labeled a hate crime and the feds come marching in it becomes a race hustler's prom.

We need to get rid of this hate crime label which appears to be valid only on white crime against blacks or Christians or anyone against all manner of lgbt. And God forbid anyone think murderous Islamic terrorists have anything to do with Islam.

Posted by: gracepmc at June 18, 2015 01:24 PM (xvd51)

396 I don't feel shame, I'm not responsible for what other people do, even if our melanin percentages are similar. I'm not responsible for white guys who robs banks, rape, lie or run for Congress.

But this is why I carry, even at church.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 18, 2015 01:25 PM (izQcq)

397 there's one option, the former. it is not even an option.there is nothing in his allegiances or what he believes that comports with my (for lack of a better term but out of convenience here and now) conservativism.

Posted by: steinmetz at June 18, 2015 01:25 PM (CrYC8)

398
True to a point. But I think this is what largely separates the left from the right. The left allows the gut emotion to rule while the right acknowledges the gut emotion but applies reason and logic on top.

Hate crime laws are an example of gut emotion. The are stupid laws applied unequally based on emotion. Guaranteed this guy will be charged with a hate crime and the usual race baiters will go into overdrive.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2015 12:33 PM (g1DWB)

Exactly, JackStraw. I react emotionally to events but try to rein in my emotions and apply reason. My gut tells me boiling in oil would be too good for this dirtbag. Then my reason kicks in and reminds me that we have a Constitution and a legal system and in the 800 years since the Magna Carta, Western man, or specifically, the Anglosphere has developed the rule of law so the mob does not get to play judge, jury and executioner.

Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at June 18, 2015 01:29 PM (u0lmX)

399 The FIRST thing this white Redneck Queen did upon reading the story last night was to pray for healing for those shot (it was not known, at the time, they were killed). I am white. I felt only sorrow for those worshiping and killed by a psycho racist.

I get the outrage but not the guilt due to race.

Once people separate race from "Americans" (if legal, that is) things will be better. The hyphen American crap is what separates people...along with being raised in certain cultures to hate others. And many of us were not raised that way. I am from the heart of Dixie and I do not know anyone who would remotely be considered a psycho like this.

And, again, where is/was the leader of the free world when the messaging was to "kill whitey" after Ferguson, etc and policemen began being shot for being on patrol? I could have missed it, but has he ever spoken for white people killed on duty? Or said the three words, "radical islamic terrorists?" Waiting....

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,supermodel,Redneck Queen, Last of Romanovs' at June 18, 2015 01:29 PM (FCPu0)

400 ... and there is absolutely nothing but repugnance and detestation for the despicable act. son of a both bastard.

Posted by: steinmetz at June 18, 2015 01:31 PM (CrYC8)

401 son of a bitch bastard

Posted by: steinmetz at June 18, 2015 01:31 PM (CrYC8)

402 (my spelling or my computor stinks.)

Posted by: steinmetz at June 18, 2015 01:33 PM (CrYC8)

403 What you call hate crimes are sentencing enhancements. I have no problem with them. It seems the people who rail against them are the ones operating on their emotions and not their brains.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 18, 2015 01:34 PM (iQIUe)

404 Ace,

There's a huge difference between Islam which is a religion/ideology and White which is a skin color. It's not even cultural or ethnic since there are countless origins and cultures that have white skin. There's literally no way to compare those two things.

All that being said I do think we should condemn, in the strongest terms, the actions of the sick, pathetic, racist, idiotic, inbred, coward who killed those people. Which is all we ever ask of the Islamic world.

So far I have seen no one even come close to defending him. And I take the examples they give of black on white crime not as a deflection or a blaming of the other side but rather an illustration of how absurd it is to feel any shame or guilt just because an evil person shares your skin color.

Posted by: kronos at June 18, 2015 01:37 PM (531n/)

405 Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard Shooter. Omar Thornton, CT shooter. The City of Industry SCE Shooter. The Northern California quarry shooter. The Carr Brothers in Wichita KS. The Knoxville torture/rape/murders.

What do they ALL have in common? Black perps, White/Asian victims, NO HATE CRIME DESIGNATIONS. No Presidential comments, no calls for gun control, nothing.

So no, I'm NOT playing that game. Black people have to know there are consequences. That they are only 12.5% of the population, that unchecked murders not roundly condemned and protested by Blacks results in White indifference.

I DON'T CARE about the Victims. Why should I? None of them ever cared a whit about White victims.

In short, I'll start caring about Black victims of a rare (like hens teeth) White shooter once Black people invent a time machine and go back and convict OJ.

I'd like Black people to be as afraid of ME and other Whites as I am rationally of THEM (given that they have sky high murder rates among their own people and proven ugly history of targeting White for gruesome murders). My primary motivation is not to get beaten to death with hammers or shot to death by Black thugs.

Semir Begich could not be reached for comment.*

*Begich, a White Balkan immigrant, was beaten to death by hammers by Blacks in St. Louis. No hate crime designation there.

Posted by: Whiskey at June 18, 2015 01:37 PM (PO8w6)

406 I'm deeply disappointed this piece of shit didn't resist arrest. No jury on the planet would've convicted the cops.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 18, 2015 01:38 PM (B/VB5)

407
A Tale Of Two Reactions

Us: Oh how awful; I wish it werent true.

The Left: Great! Now let's politicize it!

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 18, 2015 01:39 PM (1q2YS)

408 I don't feel shame because I'm the same race as this POS.

I've asked liberals to explain what what makes racism so heinous. Usually, they can't even tell you - they just gasp and say "EVERYONE knows it's bad!" "But why?" "Because it is!"

Yeah, it is bad and this is the reason why: it ascribes negative traits to a collective and then dehumanizes the collective, rather than treating people as individuals. It was evil when the slavetraders did it, evil when Hitler did it, and evil when Sharpton does it. And you can't condemn whites for doing it to blacks and then turn around and do it to whites. Well, obviously, you can, liberal race baiters do it every day. But we shouldn't play into it.

Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at June 18, 2015 01:39 PM (u0lmX)

409 I'll take disingenuous groveling for a $1000, Alex.

Yeesh, this is one embarrassing post. I've come to expect better from Ace. Really disappointing.

Posted by: Mike at June 18, 2015 01:40 PM (IGLYf)

410 What a load. I'm not embarrassed that POS is white. Got nothing to do with me. I would like to skin the little sh*t alive and soak him in alcohol though.

Posted by: Hypopaloa at June 18, 2015 01:45 PM (LlcVl)

411 What you call hate crimes are sentencing enhancements. I have no problem with them.

No, what they are is an attempt to penalize thinking and motivation as if killing someone is somehow not as bad if you weren't a racist.

Thinking, rational people should reject thought crime and special designations of people under law. When the law officially and specifically offers preferential treatment to groups simply because they are part of that group... that is very, very bad. Justice is portrayed as wearing a blindfold for a reason.

I DON'T CARE about the Victims. Why should I? None of them ever cared a whit about White victims.

Lefty troll plant is obvious scumbag. What, you figured if you can to a right-leaning site people would yell "hell yeah!" to your stupidity? Go back to Talking Points Memo and clean up the mess you left behind.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 18, 2015 01:45 PM (GsvmL)

412 Black people are going to be angry at white folks -- even if they hide it, they're going to be angry at white folks for what this bloody bastard did. And I won't jeer at this feeling. I understand it.

I refuse to accept collectivist "outrage". I had nothing to do with this and I am glad he has been caught and will (soon, hopefully) be executed. This "it happens to one of us, it happens to us all" kind of thought process leads to The Balkans. Not good.

Posted by: Harold's dick at June 18, 2015 01:46 PM (geCyT)

413 Spit in the wind all you want. LOL

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 18, 2015 01:48 PM (iQIUe)

414 "The feeling I have -- apart from shock and horror -- is shame. Shame that this creature looks anything at all like me, shame that there may be a few stray nucleotides in his envenomed heart that resemble my own."

9 White are murdered by Blacks within every 13 hours period, 24/7/365, according to Eric Holder's FBI (he was AG when the data was compiled). Please, spare me the chest beating, ashes and sackcloth.

Posted by: MC Slammer at June 18, 2015 01:48 PM (eKIg1)

415 I feel no shame. Shame is for the guilty conscience and drama queens.

Posted by: A. Hoboskinner at June 18, 2015 01:53 PM (iqCsh)

416 Black people are going to be angry at white folks -- even if they hide it, they're going to be angry at white folks for what this bloody bastard did. And I won't jeer at this feeling. I understand it.
Whites are not, and are not supposed to be angry at "black folks" when such crimes occur where whites are victims and blacks are the willing murderers.

Therefore, no.

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 18, 2015 01:53 PM (Spluw)

417 I am with Ace in this:

Every time some act of evil confront us, every time we read about some horror or atrocity, every monstrous thing done by humanity in the past is a chance for self reflection. Because the older I get, the more I realize that there is nothing too awful for me to do, in the wrong circumstances or mood. That there's a corruption at the heart of me - and all of us - that produces this, not some special kernel of evil inside the perpetrators.

Evil is inside all of us. That's the sad fact of human nature. That's why we need a savior. That's why the gospel is good news; not because we are shown how to live a better way, but because we need salvation from the evil inside us. Bad people aren't bad because they have bad influences. It comes from inside.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 18, 2015 01:54 PM (GsvmL)

418 "Dylann Storm Roof"

Right there is probable cause for his crazy. What sane parents would name a kid "Dylann Storm"?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 18, 2015 01:55 PM (lxWk3)

419 Meh. If he was a special forces guy who saved 80 children from a terrorist while singing Amazing Grace and waving a flag, people would say Dylann Storm was a badass name.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 18, 2015 01:56 PM (GsvmL)

420 This post is shamefur dispray.

Posted by: A. Hoboskinner at June 18, 2015 01:57 PM (iqCsh)

421 Evil is inside all of us. That's the sad fact of human nature. That's why we need a savior. That's why the gospel is good news; not because we are shown how to live a better way, but because we need salvation from the evil inside us. Bad people aren't bad because they have bad influences. It comes from inside.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 18, 2015 01:54 PM (GsvmL)

Sure, Christopher. But feeling shame because human beings are capable of bestial acts and recognizing one's own capacity for evil - that is different from "I'm ashamed because this douche has white skin and so do I." Or saying it's understandable if black people are angry at all whites because of said douche.

Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at June 18, 2015 02:01 PM (u0lmX)

422 I agree, I just think its a good idea every time something awful happens like this to step back and look in the mirror. And at least Ace is doing that to some degree.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 18, 2015 02:04 PM (GsvmL)

423 Shame? Why? Because the guy is white? It's not on us, it's on him. Don't buy into the white guilt complex.

Posted by: Chris Vaughn at June 18, 2015 02:06 PM (Bcqod)

424 Every black person I saw today was sad, upset, or pissed. But mostly sad. I made sure to let them know I was as well. That this IS a sad day, and not something to ignore, or to carry on as if nothing happened. It felt like 9/11 had struck the black community by the look on their faces. It was the same look that people had after 9/11. And yep, Ace, you explain it so well, the feeling of shame as a white person, and the wanting to let it be known that this murderer is not me! And that we must keep faith, united together.

Posted by: Stephanie at June 18, 2015 02:11 PM (7ecKn)

425 Buying absolution insurance from the Social Justice Inquisition?

Posted by: derit at June 18, 2015 02:13 PM (jT+gh)

426
Should I feel guilt because Son of Sam was Jewish?

Let's just keep this at a normal revulsion and horror level.

Posted by: TexasJew at June 18, 2015 02:14 PM (8sd9V)

427 You understand it? Are you fucking stupid? Do I get mad at all black people when a black person kills a white person? NO! By the way this happens quite often, but the media only mentions it for 30 seconds then goes on to the local sports report.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, the Highlander at June 18, 2015 02:16 PM (COpZ4)

428 FYI, the death toll here is just a slow weekend in Chicago south and west sides!

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, the Highlander at June 18, 2015 02:18 PM (COpZ4)

429 Meanwhile the hunt for the "real killers" of Nicole Simpson and Ronald Goldman continues.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 18, 2015 02:20 PM (iW3Yp)

430 I've known Ace for years and posted on this blog from its very first day, so I just want to make it clear that the kronos posting in 404 is not me.

Didn't pay any attention to what the post says, so this is neither an endorsement or criticism of anything in it -- simply to clarify it's not me (especially since it's addressed personally to Ace).

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at June 18, 2015 02:21 PM (8tzNS)

431 Gonna cut to the chase here. The ethnicity of the shooter or his victims is utterly irrelevant. If "black people are going to be angry at white people" about this, then they are idiots for doing so.

Anyone who would do something like this is insane. Crazy. Nutty as a fruitcake. Hell, just looking at the picture of this d-bag, I could smell the crazy on him. He has the look.

Having said that, then this act, by it's very nature, has no more import to the society at large than if these deaths had been caused by a tornado hitting the church and killing those people, or an asteroid landing on it, or any other natural disaster, for lack of a better term.

Ace, I sort of understand your point about the "gut" vs the intellect and all that. And it would perhaps even apply to the usual LIVs out there who only know what they hear from Barky Ofuckstick and his LSM lapdogs, which of course will be "it's those e-vil white people's fault" and would not know a critical thought process if it came up and bit them on the ass.

Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at June 18, 2015 02:24 PM (AYY6Y)

432 We really should be classifying this as an attack on Christians. Deny the libs their preferred victim narrative. Its not like they can deny that the victims are Christians. And its not like Christians aren't killed in the Churches around the world either.

Posted by: Iblis at June 18, 2015 02:27 PM (9221z)

433 I felt sad because PEOPLE were killed while worshiping God. Christians. It does not matter to me what their skin color is. They were in a place of worship and peace and a psycho druggie killed them.

I feel the same way when I read of mooslims executing Christians, Jews and Yazidis. Where is the outrage then from the WH? Some of these people are executed in churches, on beaches, and in the streets.

However, because it was in the South, because it was a crazy white guy with a gun, it is Selma all over again.

And I ask again: what has The Won ever said about the daily gang-banging murders black on black murders of Chicago? What? He hasn't? What has he ever said contributed to this culture in the black community of men abandoning families and gangs recruiting? What? Nothing? THE ONE THING he could have done to give me a smidgen of respect was to address this issue. And to promote education over sports for black men. He, instead, promotes his brackets, LeBron, shootin' hoops, gangsta swag cool man. He has done nothing for black families in America. Nothing. Welfare, with LBJ, started the destruction and this prancercizer has continued it with gusto and the racial divide has increased in his six years of blahblah. pfft

I hope the crazy mass murderer gets the death penalty. I hope it is fast. I hope the other mass murderers get the death penalty, and I do not care what color they are.

This animal is not my son...which would be the only way I would feel guilt was if I raised him and/or ignored his behavior. Daily Mail sort of spells it out. I guess his defense will be the "bully" one or something.

My prayers are with the families of those who were killed.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,supermodel,Redneck Queen, Last of Romanovs' at June 18, 2015 02:35 PM (FCPu0)

434 Wrong Ace...dead wrong. I feel no "shame" for what this crazy bastard did. Just because he is the same skin color as me doesn't mean a GD thing. That's how the Leftards play it but I have no "white" guilt. Feel for the victims but screw this cold hearted bastard.

Posted by: No White Guilt Here at June 18, 2015 02:46 PM (D0NZx)

435
I DON'T CARE about the Victims. Why should I? None of them ever cared a whit about White victims.

As disgusting as the liberal media's reporting of black on white murders (NOT called "hate crimes") is, don't let that erode your humanity away.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 18, 2015 02:46 PM (GsebS)

436 The assignment of collective guilt is what the Left does.
This tragedy is the work of one nut job.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at June 18, 2015 02:50 PM (JgC5a)

437 While I appreciate the sentiment, that we should eviscerate this man and dance in his bowels under the spell of Dionysus, I cannot ignore an underlying thread in this tirade.

Ace, you are responding emotionally. STOP IT.

Replace his crime with rape on campus, and we are exactly where we were not too long ago on that issue. Now look at the situation.

Justice will be done, but it must be done with glacial practicality. Otherwise, we risk a greater injustice than the death of nine. We risk the silence of millions.

Posted by: CthulhuDreaming at June 18, 2015 02:54 PM (NB+Vr)

438 I feel no guilt for being white. I feel no guilt about owning guns. I feel no guilt over being right wing. I'm tiring of taking blame, and losing freedoms, every time some nutjob lashes out.

Posted by: Achilles at June 18, 2015 02:55 PM (TpeIH)

439
Lefty troll plant is obvious scumbag. What, you figured if you can to a right-leaning site people would yell "hell yeah!" to your stupidity? Go back to Talking Points Memo and clean up the mess you left behind.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 18, 2015 01:45 PM (GsvmL)

Actually, Christopher, Whiskey isn't. Read his blog. That said, I am just going to repeat what I posted #435 above: As disgusting as the liberal media's reporting of black on white murders (NOT called "hate crimes") is, don't let that erode your humanity away.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 18, 2015 03:04 PM (GsebS)

440 Ok. Just made the sad mistake of reading some twitter garbage about this mass murder...and some twitters went like this (paraphrased): "there are no good white people, only less not bad white people"

"take the guns from white people and police"

"take the guns from white people"

"what do you expect when there is no fight against racism"

(On the last...you'd think it was 1960 or something).

This tragedy, against Americans...AMERICANS...is the issue. Oh, sure, this guy was a crazy racist on drugs. A minority..probably far less than MS-13 or other gangstas I have (sadly) learned about this year who burn people to death and take part in human trafficking. Or who just shoot each other for the hell of it in big cities. Or kill innocent children sitting on their front steps. Or kill whiteys to get into gangs. That kind of thing.

One drugged out meth head racist does not equate the gangs and the messages above about killing white people, no? One would assume there is also reverse guilt for the gangs...and "guilt" is probably not the feeling, more of frustration and wishing, as Martin Luther King did, that all Americans were not seen with color tinted glasses.

I went to school with black people. I worked with black people. My sons do the same. We are not racist...unless not liking a worthless golfer in the WH makes me raciss. The nurses and/or doctors I worked with were sometimes black, sometimes from Turkey, sometimes from England. I did not think, when talking to any of them, "Oh, I am talking to a black person!" No, I was talking to a co-worker. This is America, not a hyphen country...and when the "black-American" think started, well, I do not think it was what Rev King had in mind in merging society.

/rant over xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,supermodel,Redneck Queen, Last of Romanovs' at June 18, 2015 03:09 PM (FCPu0)

441 It may have come up somewhere in the news already, but if so, I haven't seen it as of yet - June 17, 1991 was the date that Apartheid was repealed in South Africa. I'm willing to bet that an apparent Storm Front/White Nationalist type given to wearing Rhodesian and (pre-1994) South African flag patches might well have been aware of that and chosen that date for his atrocity accordingly.

Posted by: A. Pendragon at June 18, 2015 03:13 PM (Lrzm4)

442 I dont have shame over this. I didn't do it or have any relation to it. The left wants you to feel shame over every damn thing so they can manipulate your actions. In this case, I dont feel any shame. Investigate the guy to see if there was a warning sign or u medicated issue that we should learn to watch for, then hang the guy. If the left wants to fret about his being hanged let them, I'm ok with letting them argue to save his life.

Posted by: allenlou at June 18, 2015 03:13 PM (CF25Q)

443 "I would, however, reassure black folks that this ain't me, this ain't any of us (save a tiny fraction of racist, little-dicked losers)"

As a little-dicked loser, I resent the implication- He ain't one of us!

Posted by: Little Dick Loser at June 18, 2015 03:14 PM (2Hkbk)

444 Killer was a pill popping mentally ill (look at the haircut) nut job

me - shame ? wtf ? why ?

Posted by: Big Star at June 18, 2015 03:18 PM (/wt4l)

445 "he feeling I have -- apart from shock and horror -- is shame. Shame that this creature looks anything at all like me, shame that there may be a few stray nucleotides in his envenomed heart that resemble my own."

why?

did you know this guy? did you encourage him to do it?

do you condone his actions?

so, why should you feel any shame?

I don't, not one little bit and anyone who takes on somekind of misguided responsibility for this crazy, evil idiot is not to be trusted.

Posted by: Shoey at June 18, 2015 05:19 PM (1lOj6)

446 Shame? There's too many white people in this world for me to feel shame for one who commits crimes. I don't feel shame for Hitler or Mussolini or Stalin -- all whites. I don't feel shame for what the English did to the Irish and I'm both of those ethnicities. I don't feel shame for what ancient Romans or Greeks did. I don't feel shame for early Americans owning slaves. It's a HUMAN condition to commit evil, not racial. This sort of thing shows that humans can be evil, but really, in this case, the murderer was literally ill. Oh, and it's the Progs fault mentally ill people are roaming the streets killing people. They're the ones who made sure to empty our asylums.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 18, 2015 06:13 PM (xetep)

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