House GOP Plan To Save ObamaCare

The Supreme Court is expected to release it's opinion in King vs. Burwell by the end of the month. At stake is the status of ObamaCare subsidies in the 36 states that did not elect to set up a state based exchange. If the Court rules for the plaintiffs it's likely millions of people would have to pay the actual cost of their ObamaCare policies.

You'd think the GOP reaction to people finding out that the lousy coverage, high deductible plans Obama has forced upon them would be, "Good. Now you see why government interference in the insurance market is a disaster. So, let's get rid of it, as Mitch McConnell promised "root and branch.""

You'd be wrong.

The plan, presented Wednesday by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), would give block grants to states that want them, according to lawmakers who attended a briefing. States would get to choose how to spend the money to cover people in their state. The grants would last for two years, giving the next president a chance to enact an alternative to ObamaCare.

But if states decided not to accept the block grants, residents would be allowed to keep their ObamaCare subsidies. They would also be allowed to buy any plan approved by the state, on or off the federal exchange.

Emphasis mine.

The GOP's fixation with "block grants" is always amusing. It's still federal spending, it just assumes state bureaucrats are so much smarter than federal ones. Spoiler: the problem is the spending and government expansion, not simply who is doing it. But you don't want block grants? No problem, we'll just pretend we didn't win at the Supreme Court.

Are there some things here that are better than the current ObamaCare rules? Sure but that's not what the GOP has been selling for years, is it? The plan would repeal the employer and individual mandates but Obama won't sign that. And if the federal exchange subsidies are tossed, there is automatically no employer mandate in 37 states.

But the relative good of the plan is outweighed by a major downside. It will now be the official policy of the GOP that the federal government will subsidize the purchase of health insurance by individuals. They will just be arguing with Democrats over how best to deliver on this century old progressive goal.

Yes, this would be a bridge for two years and then the GOP will totes be doing away with ObamaCare. Except that it is now the considered wisdom of GOP health policy wonks and many candidates that universal access/coverage is something they will provide.

Just how important is it that everybody in the United States be able to get health insurance? Conservatives are ambivalent, at best, about that goal. Many of them think that it is more important to restrain the growth of health-care costs; many of them worry that putting insurance within reach for everyone would involve excessive government power. They are right to be concerned about costs and about big government. They should nevertheless overcome their ambivalence. There are good reasons to embrace a conservative health-care policy that enables coverage for all Americans who seek it not the least being that in the present political context, that policy might be the best way to restrain both costs and government.

Yes, you see the best way to restrain costs and government is to expand spending and government guarantees. I'm sure that will work perfectly.

If this all sounds familiar, it's because it is. Avik Roy, former Romney and current Rick Perry adviser, made the same case a few months ago.

Proponents of this leftward march of conservatism will point out the government was providing subsidies before ObamaCare, mainly through tax deductions for employers who provided insurance plans to workers.

That's true and it should be corrected. The trick they are now pulling is to say, we're just doing the same for people on the individual market. That's nonsense. They are talking about creating tax CREDITS, which you get whether or not you have a tax bill. This is not the government letting people keep their own money, it's giving someone elses money to another person. What is conservative about that?

The idea that a "conservative" subsidy scheme will save money and lower costs flies in the face of all experience. When the government throws a pot of money at a sector of the economy the people in that sector find ways to raise prices to eat it all up and then voters demand more subsidies to meet the higher costs (think of what loans and grants have done for college costs).

And a question for these big government conservatives....when was the last time insulating people from the actual cost of a product lead to a decrease in the use or cost of that product?

If you want to lower costs of insurance and medical services the only way to do it is make sure there are no artificial government barriers to the provision of those things and make sure that the people using them pay the actual cost. That is the only way to ensure that people make informed decisions about what they are willing to pay for something and ensure they regulate their usage of it. Everything else is a political scheme that will end of with the Democrats offering "more and for free!"

Conservatives either stand up for these basic realities or we might as well just cut to the inevitable endgame, single payer, and save the posturing.

Posted by: DrewM. at 10:23 AM




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1 Here we go...

Posted by: HH at June 18, 2015 10:25 AM (Qia1Z)

2 You shoulda voted for me....

Posted by: Pander Bear at June 18, 2015 10:26 AM (VAsIq)

3 And now for your daily anti-GOP screed.

Posted by: SH at June 18, 2015 10:28 AM (gmeXX)

4 The GOPe likes getting the insurance industry money.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 18, 2015 10:28 AM (oVJmc)

5 Torches, pitchforks, some assembly required.

Posted by: Austin in TX at June 18, 2015 10:29 AM (F9Hpt)

6 I know Republican LIVs who live in Ryan's district who are still convinced, despite all the evidence, that he's a conservative.

That's why Eddie Munster knows he can get away with this crap.

Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at June 18, 2015 10:29 AM (u0lmX)

7 I'VE BEEN LIED TO!!!!!

Posted by: Ken at June 18, 2015 10:29 AM (LXJ1e)

8 F*ck you, Ryan.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 10:30 AM (2Ojst)

9 So when the GOP campaigned on "We will repeal Obamacare," they were using "repeal" as a synonym for "protect and expand."

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 18, 2015 10:30 AM (O7MnT)

10 >>And now for your daily anti-GOP screed.

The GOP is a neverending source of inspiration for anti-GOP screeds.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 18, 2015 10:30 AM (O7MnT)

11 How much of every 'healthcare' dollar I spend funds bureaucrats and paper-shuffling rather than paying for the actual care?

Bring back cash and direct payment.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 18, 2015 10:31 AM (oVJmc)

12
I despair....

Posted by: Lily at June 18, 2015 10:31 AM (yj/Rg)

13 3 And now for your daily anti-GOP screed.


And the fcuking bastards deserve every one of them and more.

Posted by: Citizen X at June 18, 2015 10:31 AM (7ObY1)

14 And the left's answer to rising costs will be the exact same one they're pushing for education costs: free for everyone.

Better get those H1B printers running, gonna take a lot of imported medical professionals.

Posted by: Chupacabras at June 18, 2015 10:32 AM (RQDhf)

15 The GOP is a neverending source of inspiration for anti-GOP screeds.

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True true. I don't mind. I like anti-GOP screeds. I'm on board with some more than others. I'm on board with this one.

Posted by: SH at June 18, 2015 10:32 AM (gmeXX)

16 The barb is in. It cannot be pulled out. It cannot be clipped off. It can only go deeper and deeper.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 18, 2015 10:32 AM (JO9+V)

17 5 Torches, pitchforks, some assembly required.


I have pre-assembled torches and pitchforks.

Pick 'em up at Cit X's garage.

Posted by: Citizen X at June 18, 2015 10:33 AM (7ObY1)

18 I know Republican LIVs who live in Ryan's district who are still convinced, despite all the evidence, that he's a conservative.

--

By Wisconsin standards he probably is.

Posted by: SH at June 18, 2015 10:33 AM (gmeXX)

19 Drew come through once more with a tale of GOP perfidy!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - If your right eyebrow isn't twitching you simply don't care. at June 18, 2015 10:34 AM (hLRSq)

20 Not sure what this has to do with pie.

Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at June 18, 2015 10:34 AM (rHXGG)

21 And the GOP should get a daily pat on the back?

Screw them, they've squandered any goodwill I had.

Posted by: Chupacabras at June 18, 2015 10:34 AM (q/kmn)

22 I think the explanation for this is the same as why they'll never kill the income tax. This provides them with too much power to reward friends and punish enemies.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 18, 2015 10:34 AM (KFr3p)

23 GOPhuckyourselves rinos

Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 18, 2015 10:35 AM (zDjhd)

24 Hmm. There's still a few claiming to be GOP or "knowledgeable" who don't know that the GOP has pushed for national health insurance over the past 20 years.

Funny but true.

Posted by: anon a mouse at June 18, 2015 10:35 AM (C9pBZ)

25
Why block grants, when they could use vouchers?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 18, 2015 10:35 AM (ZkzmI)

26
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 18, 2015 10:35 AM (kdS6q)

27 How many think much of the congressional GOP opposition to Obamacare was due to the fact is was done by the Dems instead of the Repubs?

Posted by: Ken at June 18, 2015 10:35 AM (LXJ1e)

28 13 3 And now for your daily anti-GOP screed.


And the fcuking bastards deserve every one of them and more.

Posted by: Citizen X at June 18, 2015 10:31 AM (7ObY1)

Agreed. They've earned every bit of it.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 10:35 AM (2Ojst)

29 The only way to shave healthcare is with the Dollar Shave Club.

...and you're a Great American, Paul Ryan.

Posted by: Sean Hannity at June 18, 2015 10:35 AM (j2/uG)

30 Glad you separate "conservatives" from "Republicans," Drew.

With each passing day, and each new revelation of Congressional jackassery, it is all to clear the the "Republican" brand is -- or should be -- as extinct as the Passenger Pigeon.

Paul Ryan, like Cheeto Boner and Bitch McConnell and the rest of the D.C. greedheads and pocket-pickers, should be run out of D.C. on the proverbial rail, and sent into lonely obscurity. They are, to a person, almost as evil as Choom Boy, and that's saying a lot.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 18, 2015 10:35 AM (P8YHq)

31 I think the explanation for this is the same as why they'll never kill the income tax. This provides them with too much power to reward friends and punish enemies.

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See Rand Paul's piece in today's Journal. That's a plan I can get behind.

Posted by: SH at June 18, 2015 10:35 AM (gmeXX)

32 HR

Are you kidding? Neither party is going to allow us to have pie......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 18, 2015 10:36 AM (zDjhd)

33 We need a Third Way. A new party.

Actually, now that I think about it, just a Second Way. The two-headed beast we have now is basically all the same party.

Posted by: Citizen X at June 18, 2015 10:36 AM (7ObY1)

34 It's hard to to put into words my disgust with the GOP leadership and RHINOs.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 10:36 AM (wq4B0)

35 The only way to shave healthcare is with the Dollar Shave Club.

...and you're a Great American, Paul Ryan.
Posted by: Sean Hannity at June 18, 2015 10:35 AM


Dollar Shave Club, or Harry's. Discuss.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 18, 2015 10:36 AM (h4vJk)

36 Where do these guys find the energy? Here I was thinking that the GOP was working around the clock to sell us out on Obamatrade, and now we find out that they've found the time to capitulate on Obamacare too! Talk about dedication!

Posted by: RDitt at June 18, 2015 10:37 AM (aZ2cX)

37 "And now for your daily anti-GOP screed."

And yet it's still not enough.

Perhaps one for breakfast, one for brunch, one for lunch, and an evening topper might be enough to cover the Corruptocracy in our midst.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 18, 2015 10:37 AM (1CroS)

38 >>Dollar Shave Club, or Harry's. Discuss.

Order direct from Dorco online: Much cheaper, same blades.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 18, 2015 10:37 AM (O7MnT)

39 I disagree, Drew.

Did you forget there is an election coming up in 2016?? Huh?

So, you want 6 million plus people's insurance yanked from them just to show we are the tough guys and make them really taste how bad government run health care is?

Yeah.. they will blame the Dems.. but you will also be giving Hillary and a LOT of Congressional Dems 6 million stories showing what heartless evil bastards Republicans are.

The ads almost write themselves..

"Jane Doe had insurance under the Affordable Care Act. But Republicans fought and had her subsidy repealed by the Supreme Court. They yanked her lifeline from her, and when she was diagnosed with breast cancer 6 months later, there was nothing she could do but wait until her death 6 months later."

Drew, you may be a smart guy and know your legal matters inside and out. But Paul Ryan knows this is the best way to play this. Make the Republicans come off soft-hearted.. wanting to save the victims of the Dem's failed policies until we can gain the White House and fix things for good.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 18, 2015 10:37 AM (UpGcq)

40 Doesn't really matter much at this point. The private marketplace for health insurance has shriveled to a small handful of third-party payers and the pool is continuing to shrink at least in this state.

Anthem is looking at a takeover of Cigna

United Healthcare is looking at acquiring Aetna.


http://tinyurl.com/o47lcxq

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at June 18, 2015 10:38 AM (NeFrd)

41 The GOP just isn't into We The People.
Past time to break up.

Posted by: @votermom at June 18, 2015 10:38 AM (cbfNE)

42 Have the toadies shown up to say how DrewM is just awful for being critical of the GOP's efforts to save Obamacare yet?

Posted by: buzzion at June 18, 2015 10:38 AM (zt+N6)

43 Conservatives? You thought we were conservatives?

Ha! More like Spendotives.


Or Conservocrats.


Debtphilias!

Posted by: GOP at June 18, 2015 10:38 AM (OZmbA)

44 Orange Boner fired the Committee Chairmen who voted against the TPP.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 18, 2015 10:38 AM (dRtHa)

45 Not sure what this has to do with pie.
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at June 18, 2015 10:34 AM


Good point. This thread should be about pie.

Also, see me willowed point about roasting potatoes in duck fat. Mmmmm....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 18, 2015 10:38 AM (h4vJk)

46 And now for your daily anti-GOP screed.

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You can never have enough anti-GOP threads or bewb threads.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 18, 2015 10:38 AM (KFr3p)

47 The only way to shave healthcare is with the Dollar Shave Club.


Shave and a haircut, two bits.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 18, 2015 10:38 AM (mMxp9)

48 "my"

sheesh...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 18, 2015 10:38 AM (h4vJk)

49 We now know which Paul Ryan shows up for Representation
and What Flag he Fly's
Never regret the failure of Mittens Ryan Ticket

Posted by: Dr Uper at June 18, 2015 10:38 AM (/WmRg)

50 Drew's post is way overwrought, I think. You have to recognize these are not GOP "leaders" in any sense of the word, despite their internal positions in Congress. Ryan is a process-oriented policy wonk to boot. Lots of their basic motivation is "good government" which, though complete bullshit, makes them sweat the dumb stiff. Hence these "transition" kinds of proposals.

I'd rather just declare victory and say to the fucking Democrats "hey-- your created this mess, you explain it to your voters". But the Propaganda Press will do anything to motivate the poor to vote in the next election and the Congressional GOP doesn't their inaction or actions want to become the issue that the Press can use.

We need an election, and badly. And I agree with Drew in that we need to clear out the Progressives AND the fearful RINO Republicans. But this "transition" shit is just a small symptom of why, and is mostly an indication of why we need a good Conservative national leader.

Posted by: MTF at June 18, 2015 10:38 AM (LISuA)

51 Would this plan pass? Could there be enough conservative members and Dems to sabotage this plan?

Posted by: SH at June 18, 2015 10:39 AM (gmeXX)

52 Did you ever wonder what was in the Ryan file that Barry has locked away? Must be pretty interesting reading.

Posted by: fairweatherbill gatekeeper of pestilence at June 18, 2015 10:39 AM (cygkw)

53 They are, to a person, almost as evil as Choom Boy, and that's saying a lot.


Posted by: MrScribbler at June 18, 2015 10:35 AM (P8YHq)
True

Posted by: Velvet Ambition greatest thing since before sliced bread at June 18, 2015 10:39 AM (R8hU8)

54 #39 - Make the Republicans come off soft-hearted.. wanting to save the victims of the Dem's failed policies until we can gain the White House and fix things for good.


Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

Posted by: Ken at June 18, 2015 10:39 AM (LXJ1e)

55 Drew come through once more with a tale of GOP perfidy!

You're free to make mention about tales of GOP heroics.

I'll be over here waiting on the edge of my seat.

Posted by: not at June 18, 2015 10:39 AM (ZtFr+)

56 Drew, you may be a smart guy and know your legal matters inside and out. But Paul Ryan knows this is the best way to play this. Make the Republicans come off soft-hearted.. wanting to save the victims of the Dem's failed policies until we can gain the White House and fix things for good.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 18, 2015 10:37 AM (UpGcq)


Yeah MAYBE, but the way to do this is: OK, you want block grants to keep the subsidies short term, fine, but we want A, B, and C or go fuck yourself. But ya see we never ask for A, B, or C. We just bend over.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 10:40 AM (wq4B0)

57 Mooch - You cannot have pie because trans-fats

Jebba - you cannot have pie unless you share it with millions if illegals

Cankles - Ah ain't noways givin' y'alls no pah

Bernie the Red - there are far too many varieties of pie on the American market

Lincoln Chafee - You may have one kilobit of pie.

Joe Biden - my thumb smells like pie





Posted by: Citizen X at June 18, 2015 10:40 AM (7ObY1)

58 Remind me, did Perry expand Medicaid in Texas?

Oh, yeah, he didn't.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102717684

Posted by: Y-not at June 18, 2015 10:40 AM (RWGcK)

59 So, Jerry, if the GOP gets the white house, congress, and the senate, you actually believe they'll fix things?

Posted by: Chupacabras at June 18, 2015 10:40 AM (W2YA6)

60 40 Doesn't really matter much at this point. The private marketplace for health insurance has shriveled to a small handful of third-party payers and the pool is continuing to shrink at least in this state.

Anthem is looking at a takeover of Cigna

United Healthcare is looking at acquiring Aetna.


http://tinyurl.com/o47lcxq
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at June 18, 2015 10:38 AM (NeFrd)

Great. It's already an oligopsony, and it's just going to get worse.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 10:40 AM (2Ojst)

61 "Dollar Shave Club, or Harry's. Discuss."

Harry's.

Been a member for about four months.
Love their stuff.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 18, 2015 10:40 AM (VPLuQ)

62 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 18, 2015 10:37 AM (UpGcq)

Vote GOP 2016: We're just like the Democrats!

Posted by: DrewM. at June 18, 2015 10:40 AM (/bwdh)

63 Of course, getting rid of the mandates as proposed would also gut ObamaCare as no one would be required to be on the system. Which would make the matter of the subsidies moot.


Tying the two together - what would Obama do? Veto the subsidies thus confirming the Supreme Court was correct, or sign the poison pill getting rid of the mandates, thus guaranteeing that ObamaCare dies (or at least becomes an irrelevant option).

Hmm. Seems like fun.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - If your right eyebrow isn't twitching you simply don't care. at June 18, 2015 10:40 AM (hLRSq)

64 Drew, you are applying the same process here that you hit Finnegan for applying yesterday, namely that you cut out key steps in your rush to a conclusion:

"Conservatives either stand up for these basic realities or we might as
well just cut to the inevitable endgame, single payer, and save the
posturing."

It's not so simple, just as winning Pennsylvania is not a simple solution to our woes. The all or nothing approach sounds great on paper, but has no basis in reality. It's just not the way the world works.

I agree with you that there is no way the GOP should cushion the SCOTUS knockdown, if it comes, of the turd that is ObamaCare. Block grants suck, continuing to fund this sucks. It should die painfully, which in it's own way paves the ground for a better GOP response in complete, not by buying parts of this failed policy born of the worst our political process could do (thanks Dirty Harry).

Yet to say that there should be no involvement in healthcare, or else let's just have single payer - that's just not a reasonable set of alternatives. Healthcare needed an overhaul, specifically for the lowest end of the socioeconomic demographic. Not this fiasco, and not single payer. But there are ways to improve the healthcare market from what we had in 2008.

Posted by: BetaPhi at June 18, 2015 10:40 AM (v2wjV)

65 Yeah looks like this kid in SC is a racist.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 10:40 AM (wq4B0)

66 "Look, Smithers, they're playing right into our hands.

Won't be two shakes until we have single payer government healthcare."

[puts down putter and rubs hands together gleefully]

---Barry Obama channeling Mr. Burns from The Simpsons

Posted by: Sphynx at June 18, 2015 10:41 AM (OZmbA)

67 Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

-
Trump is running.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 18, 2015 10:41 AM (KFr3p)

68 I actually think this is smart Kabuki by Republicans for once.

Obviously, a repeal of the individual mandate is essentially the death of ObamaCare. Obama will have to veto it, so once again the blame will be put on Obama

I'd rather make Obama veto this and have to explain himself that he's not helping poor people get subsidized health care because he likes the part of his plan that makes people buy health insurance against their will.

Can we at least admit that politics is sometimes a game we have to play in front of stupid people?

Posted by: Kal at June 18, 2015 10:41 AM (fooJf)

69 65 Yeah looks like this kid in SC is a racist.

Ban Assault Bowlcuts!

Posted by: Citizen X at June 18, 2015 10:41 AM (7ObY1)

70 Healthcare needed an overhaul, specifically for the lowest end of the socioeconomic demographic.

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I do not accept that premise. Were they being denied healthcare?

Posted by: SH at June 18, 2015 10:42 AM (gmeXX)

71
This just in: Paul Ryan is still a F'ing Traitor.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 18, 2015 10:42 AM (ODxAs)

72 The GOP could be a bunch of sell-outs. Or they could be, uh.... selling out like a fox.

The squishes on the Supreme Court - Kennedy & Roberts - need to be convinced that the sky won't fall if they vote to strike down the subsidies in King v. Burwell.

They can be convinced that the sky won't fall if the GOP puts a backup plan in place. So the GOP rolls out a backup plan, saying "relax guys. We got this. Rule on the law, not on your feelings." Then we get the ruling we want, and we don't actually fix the law.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at June 18, 2015 10:42 AM (xN1DB)

73 So, is Anti-Drew going to show up and lecture us about the importance of being active in GOP politics and "burning up the phones."

Because, you know, that always works.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 18, 2015 10:43 AM (O7MnT)

74 Posted by: MTF at June 18, 2015 10:38 AM (LISuA)

Read the link about the importance of universal access/subsidies. It lays out each candidates plan (the ones that have them anyway). Except for Jindal, they are all variations on the Ryan theme.

There is no free market white knight. Well, maybe Rand but too many Republicans are committed hawks, so you'll get more regime change in Mideast and big government at home.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 18, 2015 10:43 AM (/bwdh)

75 This is the most predictable GOP cave in years.

I'm really curious to see what happens if the GOP wins the whitehouse and keeps the Senate and House when "compassionate conservatism" is reborn as "reformicon" policies that entrench progressive gains but with a GOP flair.

Posted by: gwelf at June 18, 2015 10:43 AM (+7Usq)

76 Oh good, Hectard's here.

Said no one, ever.

Posted by: Citizen X at June 18, 2015 10:43 AM (7ObY1)

77 67 Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

-
Trump is running.
--


And what wild toupee, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

Posted by: @votermom at June 18, 2015 10:43 AM (cbfNE)

78 Obamacare should have been flushed a long time ago.

Posted by: Fritz at June 18, 2015 10:44 AM (UzPAd)

79 willowed from the last thread:

I don't often pimp my small (but tiny) blog here, but I threw together a pic of the Charleston murderer with a couple of others, for comparison

link in nick

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 18, 2015 10:44 AM (KCxzN)

80 72 - They can be convinced that the sky won't fall if the GOP puts a backup plan in place. So the GOP rolls out a backup plan, saying "relax guys. We got this. Rule on the law, not on your feelings." Then we get the ruling we want, and we don't actually fix the law.


THAT I can live with, however the chance of that actually being the case is about 0.1%

Posted by: Ken at June 18, 2015 10:44 AM (LXJ1e)

81 I'd say the people who've been burned by O'Care are probably more numerous than the ones that have been helped. How about going for the aggrieved party's votes, for once?

Posted by: Chupacabras at June 18, 2015 10:44 AM (+hPIb)

82
*tap tap tap*

Hordelings?

Please secure you luggage in the overhead compartment.

Also, hide the children.

It is my understanding that Her Malevolence, the High Priestess of Death, The Empress Most Temptress, Bearer of The Rack, alexthechick may be about to unleash a rant upon this thread.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 18, 2015 10:44 AM (JtwS4)

83 I see the TBH3K has been spooled up and firing briskly this morning.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 10:45 AM (2Ojst)

84 ...Paul Ryan knows this is the best way to play this.
Make the Republicans come off soft-hearted.. wanting to save the victims
of the Dem's failed policies until we can gain the White House and fix
things for good.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 18, 2015 10:37 AM


Uhhhhhhhh...whut?

I mean WTF. Since when is the idea of perpetuating a failed program -- with dire consequences to the economy as well -- smart politics? And what "we" is going to get into the White House and "fix things for good"?

This is Poppin' Fresh Politics at its worst: doing something atrocious because it makes "Good Optics." We might as well have let the Axis win WWII to make then all happy and set them up for future loss when we "take over."

Gimme a break. In a choice between good politics and common sense, I'll take common sense every time.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 18, 2015 10:45 AM (P8YHq)

85 It's obvious that the GOP had some plan to replace Obamacare when so many Republican governors and legislatures worked together to avoid designing state exchanges. Then a bunch of Republican state AGs sued over the wording in the bill. The temporary block grants are probably a way to ease into a Republican health plan - insurance sold across state lines, etc.

I hate the leaders of the party as much as the rest. In this case, however, I think they may not be selling us out.

Posted by: Old Hob at June 18, 2015 10:45 AM (T1Jm0)

86 Paul Ryan knows this is the best way to play this. Make the Republicans come off soft-hearted.. wanting to save the victims of the Dem's failed policies until we can gain the White House and fix things for good.

It's adorable that you believe that.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 18, 2015 10:45 AM (O7MnT)

87 Third Party folks. Let those still loyal to the Republican brand have their party back ... without us meddling kids constantly screwing up their otherwise brilliant plans.


If it means Dems sweep a few elections, would the results really be that much different ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 18, 2015 10:45 AM (W3hdj)

88 That bastard son of a nutmeg peddler, Hamilton finally got his comeuppance.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 18, 2015 10:45 AM (dRtHa)

89 Just forget this insurance scam. We should adopt the Cuban Health Care System. All healthcare providers work for the government. When you get sick, you go to the government clinic and get treatment. What could be simpler?

Look at all the money we could save. Let those fat cat insurance executives see what unemployment feels like.

Posted by: Ualam Godfrie at June 18, 2015 10:45 AM (mO8Ip)

90 Healthcare needed an overhaul, specifically for the lowest end of the socioeconomic demographic.


Actually that is Bullshit and not what Fredocare did. The lowest end always had medicaid. All fredocare did was throw MORE people into it and that threatens to bankrupt the States in the coming years.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 10:46 AM (wq4B0)

91 Avik Roy, former Romney and current Rick Perry adviser, made the same case a few months ago.

BTW, this is why I don't trust Perry. People are policy.

Posted by: Not Loved Time to be Feared at June 18, 2015 10:46 AM (nRvEn)

92 Nevergiveup.. yeah.. I agree. But Obama doesn't deal anyway. and he always makes the Repubs take the publicity hit.
.............

So, Jerry, if the GOP gets the white house, congress, and the senate, you actually believe they'll fix things?
Posted by: Chupacabras

......................
If you do not think that is a possibility, just give up then. If you truly believe there is no difference between Repubs and Dems, then you have lost all hope.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 18, 2015 10:46 AM (UpGcq)

93 Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - If your right eyebrow isn't twitching you simply don't care. at June 18, 2015 10:40 AM (hLRSq)

He'll veto this (if it passes) and then the GOP will remove the offending reforms and pass a clean subsidies bill with Boehner bribing the Democrats to provide the majority of votes.

Come on, it's not like this isn't how the GOP has been doing things for the last 6 years. Everyone knows how this will wind up.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 18, 2015 10:47 AM (/bwdh)

94 I was born a representative constitutional republic but I self identify as a quasi-socialistic kleptocratic oligarchy. The transition is nearly complete.

Who are you to say differently?

/The USA

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at June 18, 2015 10:47 AM (NeFrd)

95 We need a Third Way. A new party.

Actually, now that I think about it, just a Second Way. The two-headed beast we have now is basically all the same party.

Posted by: Citizen X

*dances*

Posted by: Pander Bear party at June 18, 2015 10:47 AM (VAsIq)

96 Hectard's spew was deleted that quickly?

That's encouraging.

For those who missed it, he called AoS a "lower-tier blog" and is using the nic "Trump" today.

Posted by: Citizen X at June 18, 2015 10:47 AM (7ObY1)

97 >>That bastard son of a nutmeg peddler, Hamilton finally got his comeuppance

Harriet Tubman was a black Republican gun owner.

Just sayin'

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 18, 2015 10:47 AM (O7MnT)

98 Some Federal payola is more conservative than others, apparently.

"Kentucky Senator Rand Paul came to the University of Iowa to offer a few hundred college students something they were sure to love, something they were probably not expecting from a libertarian. He came promising free money."

http://tinyurl.com/pquqvos

Posted by: Y-not at June 18, 2015 10:47 AM (RWGcK)

99 Chupacabras: "So, Jerry, if the GOP gets the white house, congress, and the senate, you actually believe they'll fix things?"

Of course not. They'll only have 1/2 of Congress and the other 1/2 of Congress and 1/1 of the Executive and a majority, say 4.75/9 of the Judicial. That's not nearly enough.

Pretty sure the GOP needs to control Russia, China, and Peruvia before they can proceed with their promises.

But then, if they get those, watch out! They'll have conservatism oozing out of their pores.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 18, 2015 10:47 AM (1CroS)

100 >> And now for your daily anti-GOP screed.

It should be hourly.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 18, 2015 10:37 AM

You make some valid points, but in any case there will be pain when a freebie is taken away. So your basic argument is that no freebies, no matter how lawless or illegal, can ever be rescinded.

That is something I refuse, like OCare, to buy.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 18, 2015 10:47 AM (2nm7m)

101 Buzzion, I am sure the RINO horn has been blown.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at June 18, 2015 10:48 AM (m3iiU)

102 If you want to lower costs of insurance and medical services the only way to do it is make sure there are no artificial government barriers to the provision of those things and make sure that the people using them pay the actual cost.
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It also allows the prospect of expanding the market by finding cheaper ways to do things. Once everyone is already covered, no more customers to be found.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 18, 2015 10:48 AM (/eTPT)

103 If you truly believe there is no difference between Repubs and Dems, then you have lost all hope.

Until Mitch and Cryin' John give us some reason to believe otherwise...

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 18, 2015 10:48 AM (O7MnT)

104 >>BTW, this is why I don't trust Perry. People are policy.

Much better to go someone with no record.
/s

Posted by: Y-not at June 18, 2015 10:48 AM (RWGcK)

105 We should adopt the Cuban Health Care System. All healthcare providers work for the government.


****


Hey lady! You come back next week. I'm playing FreeCell.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at June 18, 2015 10:49 AM (NeFrd)

106 I don't often pimp my small (but tiny) blog here, but I threw together a pic of the Charleston murderer with a couple of others, for comparison



Nothing says creepy like the eyes.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 18, 2015 10:49 AM (IK6ub)

107 I'm not sure we are going to see the house pass much of anything (especially an Obamacare fix) in the next two years because both parties bases will hold their representatives feet to the fire. The middle will have trouble passing things. Even if you are a GOP rep in a very safe conservative seat - why would you give an opening to to a GOP challenger by voting to "save" Obamacare.

Posted by: SH at June 18, 2015 10:49 AM (gmeXX)

108 Is the 2-year thing also just a way to blame-shift.

Look, it isn't us who kept your subsidies away. We gave the states 2 years to build you an exchange. Burn Them.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 18, 2015 10:50 AM (/eTPT)

109 Proponents of this leftward march of conservatism will point out the government was providing subsidies before ObamaCare, mainly through tax deductions for employers who provided insurance plans to workers.


Tax deduction, uh no. It was treated as an expense, just like providing toilet paper in employee restrooms. Their was no super duper deduction. Employers could either pay people more, and write off that expense, or help productivity by keeping a healthy workforce, and write off the expense of providing insurance.

Most good employers saw the obvious choice.

Posted by: se pa moron at June 18, 2015 10:50 AM (xQX/f)

110 I have hope, but that pretty much rests on the voters cleaning house. Messages just don't work, as the Cantor primary proved.

So, until there's some real electoral blood, I see no real hope in the GOP.

Posted by: Chupacabras at June 18, 2015 10:51 AM (+hPIb)

111 If you do not think that is a possibility, just give up then. If you truly believe there is no difference between Repubs and Dems, then you have lost all hope.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 18, 2015 10:46 AM (UpGcq)

What in your experience shows that the Repubs will do something different?

Posted by: Ken at June 18, 2015 10:51 AM (LXJ1e)

112
So, is Anti-Drew going to show up and lecture us
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale




I picture them like this:

http://tinyurl.com/o97g8ux

And yeah, that includes the costumes.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 18, 2015 10:51 AM (kdS6q)

113 Is it just me, or does friggin' Paul Ryan seem to be a solution desperately looking for a problem as of late ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 18, 2015 10:51 AM (W3hdj)

114 Obama signs into law repeal of all mandates=win

Obama vetos bill that restores subsidies=win

Republicans do absolutely nothing while millions see their premiums skyrocket=lose

I also think the Republican Congress NOT doing anything like this Kabuki is going to force some Red State Governors to set up exchanges.


It's also of a green light to the Supreme Court in case any Justices are wavering.

Democrats are pissed about it, so it's obvious we're on the right track here for once

Posted by: Kal at June 18, 2015 10:51 AM (fooJf)

115 74 you'll get more regime change in Mideast and big government at home.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 18, 2015 10:43 AM (/bwdh)
===========================

That's a much more interesting post idea Drew-- short of watering the liberty tree what can be done to change sclerotic Washington politics? We all agree that these douchebags in the Congress aren't going to do much to cut back the federal monstrosity, without being pushed in a considerable political way from the outside.

Given that obvious truth: How can we rejuvenate the idea of limited Federal power?

Forget "regime change" and put your considerable mind to answering the Article 5 convention critics. I'd sure be interested.

Posted by: MTF at June 18, 2015 10:51 AM (LISuA)

116 Make the Republicans come off soft-hearted.. wanting to save the victims of the Dem's failed policies until we can gain the White House and fix things for good.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 18, 2015 10:37 AM (UpGcq)

Show me one example where the Republicans ever did that?

Posted by: Not Loved Time to be Feared at June 18, 2015 10:51 AM (nRvEn)

117 106 I don't often pimp my small (but tiny) blog here, but I threw together a pic of the Charleston murderer with a couple of others, for comparison



Nothing says creepy like the eyes.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 18, 2015 10:49 AM (IK6ub)

Working description: Bipolar 20-year-old neo-Nazi rebelling against his hippie parents. The lefties are going to run with this for weeks.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at June 18, 2015 10:51 AM (RD7QR)

118 Posted by: DrewM. at June 18, 2015 10:47 AM (/bwdh)

Since you know the future, what are the Powerball numbers going to be?

(I'll keep it just between us.)

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - If your right eyebrow isn't twitching you simply don't care. at June 18, 2015 10:51 AM (hLRSq)

119 I had thought that was a big part of the concern when Obamacare was thrown around our necks for an special x-mas present.

That once installed and employers and states were Made to follow it would be an unshakeable chain.

and i'm sure insurance companies writing the bill were totally for the greater good of man.

Posted by: willow at June 18, 2015 10:51 AM (nqBYe)

120 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 18, 2015 10:37 AM (UpGcq)

No.

Republicans had nothing to do with O Care.

The ad will be "The Democrats want to run the health care industry -- but they can't even write a cogent law. The Supreme Court said that the Democrats failed to cover subsidies for people on the federal exchange.

There's a different way. We Republicans believe that the free market..." blah blah blah.

This involves Democrats, the Supreme Court, and 26 states. Republicans in DC have not touched it at all.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 18, 2015 10:51 AM (AkOaV)

121 Free money's great!

Posted by: TexasJew at June 18, 2015 10:51 AM (YxTUV)

122 >>We should adopt the Cuban Health Care System. All healthcare providers work for the government.


IOW, Obamacare.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 18, 2015 10:51 AM (O7MnT)

123 Fuck you cunts, get your motherfucking hands out of my fucking pocket to pay for everyone else's motherfucking bills.

You know whom I expect to pay for my bills? ME!

Do you know whom I expect to be responsible for my life? ME!

Do you know whom I expect to make provisions and accommodations to insure that I have health insurance? ME!

Why. The. Actual. Fuck. Should. I. Pay. For. Someone. Who. Is. Not. Me. And. Mine.

No, seriously, why? I do not expect, nor want, anyone else to take care of me. It would be nice if my family does and nicer still if friends will but I do not expect that.

I most assuredly do not expect perfect strangers to open their wallets at the threat of governmental penalties should they not help me. That's insane. That's ridiculous. That's the utter annihilation of one of the fundamental principles of conservatism, namely individual responsibility. If we're going to heave that out the window, then why bother pretending the GOP is anything other than socialism lite.

You know what, this, this right here is why the GOP 4EVA types and the TruCons now loathe each other and cannot even begin to speak to one another. You see, when I read about propositions like this? What I hear is that every motherfucking word that I've been told since 2008 is a motherfucking lie. It is. It's all been a lie.

Oh give us the House and we'll stop this! Oh oh oh but that's only 1/2 of 1/3 so we need the Senate too! Oh oh oh but we don't have 60 votes so we can't do anything! We have to have the Presidency too!

Here. I'll type slowly so everyone can understand.

YOU ARE ALL FUCKING LIARS. L I A R S! YOU ARE LYING RIGHT TO MY FUCKING FACE AND YOU EXPECT ME TO GIVE YOU TIME AND TREASURE FOR YOU TO DO SO AND YOU CAN GO JUMP INTO THAT VOLCANO YOU PATHETIC CUNTS!

Spare me that the Democrats are so much worse. You know what? I no longer believe that. You know why? Because at least they aren't lying about who they are and what they want.

Seriously, what the actual fuck have Republicans gained, to say nothing of conservatives, since those oh so awesome wave elections? Nothing. We've gained nothing.

But, yeah, I'm the pathetic petulant child for noting what is going on in actual reality. Yeah. I'm the problem.

So livid that I've made life choices where I did not suck on the government's teat. So. Livid.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at June 18, 2015 10:52 AM (mf5HN)

124 Posted by: willow at June 18, 2015 10:51 AM (nqBYe)

Yes, once 2012 came and went without a new president and without O'Care being repealed, it was pretty much a done deal.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 18, 2015 10:52 AM (AkOaV)

125 Republicans in DC have not touched it at all.

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And should not touch it.

Posted by: SH at June 18, 2015 10:52 AM (gmeXX)

126 94 I was born a representative constitutional republic but I self identify as a quasi-socialistic kleptocratic oligarchy. The transition is nearly complete.

Who are you to say differently?

/The USA
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at June 18, 2015 10:47 AM (NeFrd)


**********


So, not an autonomous collective?

Posted by: Dennis at June 18, 2015 10:52 AM (vgIRn)

127 rickb223, link to your blog pics?

Posted by: fairweatherbill gatekeeper of pestilence at June 18, 2015 10:53 AM (2z4UX)

128 Of course they're going to save it.


Bastards.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 18, 2015 10:53 AM (k2QA3)

129 Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at June 18, 2015 10:52 AM (mf5HN)

why don't you tell us how you really feel?

No need to hold back on our account.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 18, 2015 10:54 AM (AkOaV)

130 don't care just give me my Free BC (woman) and boob job (if i am were a guy).

you know i've been waiting by the phone and monitoring the mail box all these long years and I have yet to received my promised free stuff.

what a scam.

Posted by: willow at June 18, 2015 10:54 AM (nqBYe)

131 >>Show me one example where the Republicans ever did that?

I would also like to see an example of a Republican President and Congress actually repealing a Democrat entitlement or Regulatory Agency.

Maybe Reagan when he did away with the Civil Aeronautics Board and CETA. But CETA came back under a different name.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 18, 2015 10:54 AM (O7MnT)

132 Can we at least admit that politics is sometimes a game we have to play in front of stupid people? <<<<

Heh, you actually believe the DC GOP is playing some kind of 7th level chess instead of selling America out for some sweet corporate cash?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 18, 2015 10:54 AM (ODxAs)

133 83 I see the TBH3K has been spooled up and firing briskly this morning.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 10:45 AM (2Ojst)



Safeties off. Go loud.

Posted by: EC at June 18, 2015 10:54 AM (j8YpL)

134 Anyone who thinks the GOP is simply being cerebral or playing the long game must have been hibernating the last 12 years.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at June 18, 2015 10:54 AM (0x/TW)

135 Posted by: fairweatherbill gatekeeper of pestilence at June 18, 2015 10:53

link in nick

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 18, 2015 10:54 AM (KCxzN)

136 >>Why. The. Actual. Fuck. Should. I. Pay. For. Someone. Who. Is. Not. Me. And. Mine.


AMEN

Posted by: Lizzy at June 18, 2015 10:54 AM (k2QA3)

137 The GOP's fixation with "block grants" is always amusing. It's still federal spending, it just assumes state bureaucrats are so much smarter than federal ones.
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Its also a nice way around the balanced budget amendments many states have: state politicians get to spend doe that the federal government - unconstrained by such an amendment - borrows from the Chinese for them.

Its a disgusting perversion of federalism. How is it that Paul Ryan has a reputation as a conservative?

Posted by: Harley Quinn at June 18, 2015 10:55 AM (sVF/n)

138 Check out this interview at Powerline, Drew, with Philip Hamburger of Columbia Law. Even my lefty brother (law professor) didn't entirely dismiss his arguments. I haven't read the book because I'm not a lawyer and I'd get lost, but maybe you'd be interested.

http://bit.ly/1Gj544b

Posted by: MTF at June 18, 2015 10:55 AM (LISuA)

139 130 don't care just give me my Free BC (woman) and boob job....

Posted by: willow at June 18, 2015 10:54 AM (nqBYe)



Where do we send the check???????

Posted by: EC at June 18, 2015 10:56 AM (j8YpL)

140 Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at June 18, 2015 10:51 AM (RD7QR)

yeah not to be a heartless prick, but this SC is... incredibly unhelpful.

There are already "racial tensions" if you will in every major US city. This will only escalate that.

Assuming, of course, that the MSM is not full of shit on the story and it is what it sounds like.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 18, 2015 10:56 AM (AkOaV)

141 Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at June 18, 2015 10:52 AM (mf5HN)


It moved.

*starts slow clap*

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 18, 2015 10:56 AM (JO9+V)

142 We've done our X years "as a socialist country" and I think our Trans experiment hasn't worked well, despite the hormones.

So now we need to go the therapy route.

Posted by: Bigby's Jazz Hands at June 18, 2015 10:56 AM (3ZtZW)

143 rickb223, link to your blog pics?


Go back to #79. It's AltonJackson's blog.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 18, 2015 10:56 AM (IK6ub)

144 Alton, I commented on your piece, but not sure if it took. I never use my google account.

Posted by: jewells45 at June 18, 2015 10:56 AM (l/N7H)

145 Classic rant AtC. Humbled I am. I think I'll mail it to my congressman, except he's turning into a Ryanasaur. Damn fool.

Posted by: fairweatherbill gatekeeper of pestilence at June 18, 2015 10:57 AM (cygkw)

146 At least Roof isn't a Veteran, or they'd have hit the trifecta. I wonder if he ever tried to enlist.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 18, 2015 10:57 AM (2cS/G)

147 Anyone who thinks the GOP is simply being cerebral or playing the long game must have been hibernating the last 12 years.

------

Actually I think they are. But their long game is not conservative solutions - their long game is winning elections. The GOP as a party has done that very well the past 6 years. Now I think they are risking future elections by ignoring the base.

Posted by: SH at June 18, 2015 10:57 AM (gmeXX)

148 We need an election, decapitation strike

Posted by: DaveA at June 18, 2015 10:57 AM (DL2i+)

149 At this point the Federal government (with the OPM hacking mess) has shown itself criminally culpable of exposing citizen's private information to others. To allow a Federal system to continue (i.e Obamacare) that continually collects citizens information is wrong. To force citizens into that system is even more wrong. If the subsidies are gone then there is no benefit to the individual citizen to counter the ensuing risk.

That is the simple case against Obamacare, and the fix is the repeal of the employer and individual mandate. Just send that to the Obama. There is no need for a 2 year extension (essentially).

Posted by: Ken at June 18, 2015 10:58 AM (LXJ1e)

150 yeah not to be a heartless prick, but this SC is... incredibly unhelpful.

There are already "racial tensions" if you will in every major US city. This will only escalate that.

Assuming, of course, that the MSM is not full of shit on the story and it is what it sounds like..


Just saw this story.... How horrific.. I see the Rev. Al is already there ... Expect the usual riots...

Posted by: donna at June 18, 2015 10:58 AM (Bn6aD)

151 >>123 Posted by: alexthechick


Ow, my balls.

Posted by: Sphynx at June 18, 2015 10:58 AM (OZmbA)

152 Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at June 18, 2015 10:52 AM

You seem...concerned.

The current Republican "strategy" of totes going along with the Democrats' free-shit ideology seems to have upset you.

I'm sure any of the stalwarts over at Tepid Air -- the Corpulent "Captain," Allahpander, Jizz Shaw or New Boy Matt Moped -- can counsel you. After all, isn't Good Optics the paramount key to Republican survival?

I would probably be banned for posting so to-the-point and accurate a screed as yours, AtC. So I'll just agree 100%, and say "thanks."

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 18, 2015 10:59 AM (P8YHq)

153
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at June 18, 2015 10:52 AM (mf5HN)

I warned all y'all.

*smokes cigarette*

That was wonderful.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 18, 2015 10:59 AM (JtwS4)

154 I am trying to think of the good points of the Republican Party. Here is what I have got:


1) They are good on the Second Amendment.

2) They have not yet booed God at one of their national conventions.

3) They have not yet mandated that priests violate their faith by marrying gays, although with this Pope that may soon be a moot point.

4) They do not seek to require that doctors and nurses violate their faith by performing abortions in order to practice medicine.


When it comes to economic matters, they seem to have merged with Democrats and as to foreign policy, I think we may well be past the tipping point. Certainly no foreign government will trust the United States for at least another generation.


I guess that is probably enough to get me to the polls on election day but I don't think that I will be volunteering to man the phones, ring doorbells, put up signs or spend election day poll watching any more. Not that the professional consultants care about that sort of thing because it does not put money in their pockets and they get paid whether a candidate wins or loses.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 18, 2015 10:59 AM (QHgTq)

155 Yeah looks like this kid in SC is a racist.

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That picture of him in the woods looks like crazy Donnie Darko.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at June 18, 2015 10:59 AM (KFr3p)

156 Safeties off. Go loud.

Posted by: EC at June 18, 2015 10:54 AM (j8YpL)

It's the only way to go. How you been?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 11:00 AM (2Ojst)

157 Since the press in owned by the Democratic Party, no hope. All the papers in my area support everything the Democrats do!

Posted by: Colin at June 18, 2015 11:00 AM (GGMj8)

158 The white Al Sharpton ,Glenn Beck is on his way.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 18, 2015 11:00 AM (dRtHa)

159 *waves hello from I-95 North*

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 18, 2015 11:00 AM (I/ShB)

160 123
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at June 18, 2015 10:52 AM (mf5HN)


OK, we can all go back to work now. Not much more to be said.

Posted by: rickl at June 18, 2015 11:00 AM (zoehZ)

161 There are already "racial tensions" if you will in every major US city. This will only escalate that.

If this Storm Door kid is one of those Stormfront guys, you should know, those creeps *want* a race war.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 18, 2015 11:00 AM (O7MnT)

162 Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at June 18, 2015 10:52 AM (mf5HN)

See, AtC, your attitude is too Visigothy and Hobbity to be helpful. Frankly, you ARE the problem and the sooner you see it, the better.

Oh wait: that's shit people have said to me the last few years. My bad.

Posted by: physics geek at June 18, 2015 11:00 AM (MT22W)

163 >> 130
don't care just give me my Free BC (woman) and boob job (if i am were a guy).



Amen, sistah. I am were a guy too.

Posted by: Bruce Caitlyn Jenner at June 18, 2015 11:00 AM (OZmbA)

164 Here's the deal ... if you believe in Capitalism, if you believe in Adam Smith, then you have to believe that ObamaCare will fail. Miserably.


To date ... Republicans have the PERFECT alibi. They were not involved. This is entirely a Democrat project.


So WHY IN THE HELL would any GOP member want even the slightest bit of involvement in the coming shit storm. ObamaCare could be the biggest political gift ever given to the GOP ... a colossal living testament to the utter stupidity of Progressivism. Just leave it alone.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 18, 2015 11:00 AM (W3hdj)

165 Just saw this story.... How horrific.. I see the Rev. Al is already there ... Expect the usual riots...
Posted by: donna at June 18, 2015 10:58 AM (Bn6aD)

yes, very horrific.

The first guy interviewed for the wapo article is apparently a life long anti-gun zealot, so he felt this was the right time to go on an anti gun rant.

The narratives write themselves here.

No one has mentioned this part yet, but this church is near the old slave selling building (whatever its called) in downtown charleston. I have to feel like that'd come up

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 18, 2015 11:01 AM (AkOaV)

166 The white Al Sharpton ,Glenn Beck is on his way.


*****


Is he bringing soccer balls and teddy bears? 'Cause that will totally help.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at June 18, 2015 11:01 AM (NeFrd)

167 Not sure who always says "Fuck the GOP", but please, allow me:

FUCK THE GOP!!!!

cocksuckers.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at June 18, 2015 11:01 AM (nqiq9)

168 4 scenarios, in what I consider their order of likelihood.

A. Roof kills himself
B. Roof is killed by police
C. Roof is apprehended alive
d. A week from now he's still at large.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 18, 2015 11:01 AM (2cS/G)

169 Little Paul Ryan has turned into a real piece of work, hasn't he? Why am I surprised, I ask myself. But no, he's a real statesman, he wants you to believe, reaching across the aisle and heroically bridging partisan divides to "work with this President" on behalf of the nation. Right -- another spineless, smiley goody-two-shoes GOP scumbag.

Posted by: rrpjr at June 18, 2015 11:02 AM (s/yC1)

170
*waves hello from I-95 North*

Waves hello back to the cheerleaders and their hostage.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 18, 2015 11:02 AM (JtwS4)

171 James Madison totally agrees with AtC:

The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. Were the federal Constitution, therefore, really chargeable with the accumulation of power, or with a mixture of powers, having a dangerous tendency to such an accumulation, no further arguments would be necessary to inspire a universal reprobation of the system.

Posted by: MTF at June 18, 2015 11:02 AM (LISuA)

172 Amazed they haven't found him yet.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 18, 2015 11:02 AM (dRtHa)

173 167 Not sure who always says "Fuck the GOP", but please, allow me:

FUCK THE GOP!!!!

cocksuckers.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at June 18, 2015 11:01 AM (nqiq9)

I think you're referring to me.

Fuck the GOP.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at June 18, 2015 11:03 AM (YFw5T)

174 Anybody else seeing an ad for "Head Country" BBQ sauce in the top banner?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 18, 2015 11:03 AM (LA7Cm)

175 "Bring back cash and direct payments....."

It won't be long. Except the cash for the direct payment will be chickens, eggs, and moonshine.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at June 18, 2015 11:03 AM (QLqUE)

176 if only there was a political philosophy that believed in cutting government. it would have to be principled and not just statist big government of a different flavor.

Posted by: X at June 18, 2015 11:03 AM (xGNLA)

177 174 Anybody else seeing an ad for "Head Country" BBQ sauce in the top banner?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 18, 2015 11:03 AM (LA7Cm)

That's not BBQ sauce...

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 11:03 AM (2Ojst)

178 I am trying to think of the good points of the Republican Party. Here is what I have got:

----

Hey you just basically said why I think the GOP should run on social issues. Anyway, the biggest problem with the GOP on economic issues is that for the most part people want spending but not to pay in taxes. What makes this Obamacare stuff frustrating is that people do not want Obamacare. There is simply no comparison of Obamacare to SS/Medicare. There is no reason to embrace Obamacare in any way - or to save it - or to phase it out.

Posted by: SH at June 18, 2015 11:03 AM (gmeXX)

179 It's the only way to go. How you been?
Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 11:00 AM (2Ojst)



Busy. Traveling and trying to get up to speed as fast as I can and not look like they made a mistake hiring me. Field sales is very.....active and different than what I've been used to. I just hope I make my quota because that's all there is in this business.

Posted by: EC at June 18, 2015 11:03 AM (j8YpL)

180 I warned all y'all.

*smokes cigarette*

That was wonderful.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 18, 2015 10:59 AM (JtwS4)



Thank you, Bander.

*rests head on your sternum*

I need a cookie.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at June 18, 2015 11:03 AM (mf5HN)

181 I think that Storm Door's chances of getting an honorary degree from a liberal college, a gig on NPR, and an eventual teaching position at the University of Illinois are somewhat limited?

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 18, 2015 11:04 AM (O7MnT)

182 "So WHY IN THE HELL would any GOP member want even the slightest bit of involvement in the coming shit storm. "
Posted by: ScoggDog at June 18, 2015 11:00 AM (W3hdj)

Epic and soulless stupidity. You know -- the usual.

Posted by: rrpjr at June 18, 2015 11:04 AM (s/yC1)

183 180 I warned all y'all.

*smokes cigarette*

That was wonderful.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 18, 2015 10:59 AM (JtwS4)


Thank you, Bander.


Did I miss something?

*rests head on your sternum*

I need a cookie.

Posted by: donna at June 18, 2015 11:04 AM (Bn6aD)

184 "And even if we win, if we win, HAH! Even if we win! Even if we play so far above our heads that our noses bleed for a week to ten days; even if God in Heaven above comes down and points his hand at our side of the field; even if every man woman and child held hands together and prayed for us to win, it just wouldn't matter because all the really good looking girls would still go out with the guys from Mohawk because they've got all the money! It just doesn't matter if we win or we lose. IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER! "

---Bill Murray, Meatballs

Posted by: Bigby's Jazz Hands at June 18, 2015 11:04 AM (3ZtZW)

185 So livid that I've made life choices where I did not suck on the government's teat. So. Livid.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at June 18, 2015 10:52 AM (mf5HN)
---
so, in other words, a micro-aggression.

Posted by: GOP at June 18, 2015 11:04 AM (/eTPT)

186 Amazed they haven't found him yet.


At 5' 9", 120 lbs and a bowl cut, if he put on a dress, he could sashay right out of town without a second glance.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 18, 2015 11:04 AM (IK6ub)

187 You call those block grants? Those are Legos compared to my block grants. My block grants will be so Yuuuuge that they could seal the border with Mexico. And I'll make the damn, dirty Mexicans pay for them!

Posted by: The Donald 2016!! at June 18, 2015 11:05 AM (nFdGS)

188 >>"Bring back cash and direct payments....."

Some form of guaranteed income is pretty much inevitable as humans are replaced by robots.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 18, 2015 11:05 AM (O7MnT)

189 Busy. Traveling and trying to get up to speed as fast as I can and not look like they made a mistake hiring me. Field sales is very.....active and different than what I've been used to. I just hope I make my quota because that's all there is in this business.
Posted by: EC at June 18, 2015 11:03 AM (j8YpL)

Sounds tiring. IIRC you went from the lab to this, which must be something of a system shock to you. I really do wish you the best of luck.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 11:05 AM (2Ojst)

190 if you believe in Adam Smith, then you have to believe that ObamaCare will fail. Miserably.


****


It has already failed. The resulting implosion is on its way and will be like one of those Vegas casino demolitions in super Slo-Mo. Ryan and the House R's trying to prop up the subsidies is analogous to an interior decorator repainting the penthouse walls from beige to taupe as the building begins to crumble.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at June 18, 2015 11:05 AM (NeFrd)

191 Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at June 18, 2015 10:52 AM (mf5HN)

--

AtC 2016!

Posted by: @votermom at June 18, 2015 11:05 AM (cbfNE)

192 171 That's a quote from Madison by the way. I should have said that clearly. He obviously would be on the side of Drew and AtC is this argument, and he fucking wrote the Constitution. So there, Progs- bite me.

Posted by: MTF at June 18, 2015 11:05 AM (LISuA)

193 Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at June 18, 2015 10:52 AM

People in Idaho are being hit with the shrapnel from that most excellent rant.

I'll be in my bunk. Brb...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 18, 2015 11:05 AM (h4vJk)

194 BTW, this is why I don't trust Perry. People are policy.

Posted by: Not Loved Time to be Feared

And Soylent Green is people, ergo Soylent Green is now policy.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at June 18, 2015 11:06 AM (VAsIq)

195 The BBC has an article which wraps HealthCare and religion all into one nougat covered chewy center.

Lots of little tidbits of take-away info buried in it, if one were to read all of it.

http://tinyurl.com/q3wfvvk

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 18, 2015 11:06 AM (VPLuQ)

196 "So WHY IN THE HELL would any GOP member want even the slightest bit of involvement in the coming shit storm. "
Posted by: ScoggDog at June 18, 2015 11:00 AM (W3hdj)

Epic and soulless stupidity. You know -- the usual.

------

Because some need it. They are from districts that like it. So they need it to continue to be save. Luckily for us - a lot of districts are at the "extreme." Right or left. I can't imagine this plan will receive those votes. Obamatrade vote gives me hope that there will be a bipartisan push to defeat Ryan's Obamacare save.

Posted by: SH at June 18, 2015 11:06 AM (gmeXX)

197 "That's not BBQ sauce..."




Oh.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 18, 2015 11:06 AM (LA7Cm)

198 Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at June 18, 2015 10:52 AM (mf5HN)

Welp, that about covers it. Another stellar entry into the AtC rant archives. Ain't much to be said after that.

Thanks for making me have to work this morning.

*swipes step stool of hate*
*puts spiders in AtC's drawers.*
*uhm, DESK drawers.*

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at June 18, 2015 11:06 AM (nqiq9)

199 Here's the deal ... if you believe in Capitalism, if
you believe in Adam Smith, then you have to believe that ObamaCare will
fail. Miserably.
Posted by: ScoggDog at June 18, 2015 11:00 AM


Forget all that "Adam Smith" shit.

In this i9nstance (and, come to think of it, in most all aspects of government) I believe in two things: first, I believe in simple math. When you have two and subtract 17 billion, you wind up with a very negative number. Nothing smaller than "zero" can actually exist in the universe.

Second, I believe in at least one of the Ten Commandments. You know, "thou shalt not steal."

I can give. And I try to do that. The government can only "give" after it steals.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 18, 2015 11:06 AM (P8YHq)

200 My cellphone shit the bed, so I have to hurry and go get a new one. I expect that in a couple hours when I get back we'll have accounts from dozens of people who went to school with him, lived in his neighborhood, etc. Find out how far back the crazy goes.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 18, 2015 11:06 AM (2cS/G)

201 168 4 scenarios, in what I consider their order of likelihood.

A. Roof kills himself
B. Roof is killed by police
C. Roof is apprehended alive
d. A week from now he's still at large.
Posted by: Lincolntf at June 18, 2015 11:01 AM (2cS/G)

If we're fortunate he'll off himself or the cops will cap him. He needs killing and the sooner the better.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at June 18, 2015 11:07 AM (RD7QR)

202 Kentucky Fried Rat.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 18, 2015 11:07 AM (dRtHa)

203 How about instead of borrowing money for all this out of control spending, people start having to pay the bills for all the social programs?

That'll take care of this shit toot-sweet. But they won't, so we'll spend the next few decades enjoying the theater until the interest payments can't be made and we can't print money fast enough.

Posted by: Chupacabras at June 18, 2015 11:07 AM (RQDhf)

204 Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at June 18, 2015 10:52 AM (mf5HN)

Everything I've been thinking/feeling on the subject, with twice the rage and ten times the profanity. A true work of art.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 11:07 AM (2Ojst)

205 IIRC you went from the lab to this, which must be something of a system shock to you. I really do wish you the best of luck.


Thank you. I'll need it.

Posted by: EC at June 18, 2015 11:07 AM (j8YpL)

206 >>Busy. Traveling and trying to get up to speed as fast as I can and not look like they made a mistake hiring me. Field sales is very.....active and different than what I've been used to. I just hope I make my quota because that's all there is in this business.

Welcome to my world. Best part, no matter how good a year you have there will always be another year where you get to start all over again from zero.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2015 11:07 AM (g1DWB)

207 (Is taupe even a color?)

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at June 18, 2015 11:08 AM (NeFrd)

208 If we're fortunate he'll off himself or the cops will cap him. He needs killing and the sooner the better.
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at June 18, 2015 11:07 AM


Agreed...

Posted by: donna at June 18, 2015 11:08 AM (Bn6aD)

209
Thank you, Bander.

*rests head on your sternum*

I need a cookie.


*proffers fresh baked Ranger cookies*

(Mommy's recipe, moist and coconutty, you'll love them),

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 18, 2015 11:08 AM (JtwS4)

210 Oh great the new AG is putting her 2 cents in. THAT is the way to start a race war.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 11:09 AM (wq4B0)

211 There is a legitimate reason for proposing this legislation: to deny the supreme court using a "disruption" excuse to find in favor of subsidies and give the illegal subsidies the false imprimatur of constitutionality and SC approval.

Chances of GOP following through on repeal in two years: nil. But it still beats a SC yes decision, and we've all seen what a stand up guy Roberts is.

Posted by: PHONE at June 18, 2015 11:09 AM (Dhcvl)

212 210 Oh great the new AG is putting her 2 cents in. THAT is the way to start a race war.

And so it begins...

Posted by: donna at June 18, 2015 11:09 AM (Bn6aD)

213 Well, I see that while I have been reading the BBC, AtC steps to the plate, and drives one out of the park.

Must be hard to pitch to though.
What with where the strike zone would be and all.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 18, 2015 11:09 AM (VPLuQ)

214 "A. Roof kills himself
B. Roof is killed by police
C. Roof is apprehended alive "


So this guy's name is "Roof?" Sorry, catching up.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 18, 2015 11:09 AM (LA7Cm)

215 Welcome to my world. Best part, no matter how good a year you have there will always be another year where you get to start all over again from zero.

And you get the history too. Finishing one year at 120% to plan doesn't mean shit the next year when you only made 80%.

Posted by: EC at June 18, 2015 11:10 AM (j8YpL)

216 *proffers fresh baked Ranger cookies*

(Mommy's recipe, moist and coconutty, you'll love them),
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 18, 2015 11:08 AM (JtwS4)



I am sure I would if I didn't hate coconut.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at June 18, 2015 11:10 AM (mf5HN)

217 Yeah, Dylann Storm Roof, believe it or not.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 18, 2015 11:10 AM (2cS/G)

218
I am sure I would if I didn't hate coconut.

Blasphemy!

Posted by: donna at June 18, 2015 11:10 AM (Bn6aD)

219 Maybe we'll get a Butlerian jihad.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at June 18, 2015 11:11 AM (RD7QR)

220 "So livid that I've made life choices where I did not suck on the government's teat. So. Livid.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at June 18, 2015 10:52 AM (mf5HN)"

Tell me about it. I have cousins my age who went to work for the Feral Gummint. They are retired now. My younger brother worked for the government and he is retired now. My retirement plan is to fall over dead in my cubicle some day. That is if I can keep working. My plan B is to wind up homeless on the street and start drinking Sterno.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 18, 2015 11:11 AM (QHgTq)

221 Corgi whistle. Nude.

Posted by: MTF at June 18, 2015 11:11 AM (LISuA)

222 Will he make the Cover of the Rolling Stone?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 18, 2015 11:11 AM (dRtHa)

223 215 Welcome to my world. Best part, no matter how good a year you have there will always be another year where you get to start all over again from zero.

And you get the history too. Finishing one year at 120% to plan doesn't mean shit the next year when you only made 80%.
Posted by: EC at June 18, 2015 11:10 AM (j8YpL)



Welcome to the life of a small business owner. Sigh of relief on Dec 31, ulcer cranks back up Jan 1.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 18, 2015 11:11 AM (I/ShB)

224 So, do you think Rolling Stone will put a dreamy pic of Storm Door on their cover?

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 18, 2015 11:12 AM (O7MnT)

225 Yeah, Dylann Storm Roof, believe it or not.



Has to be hippie parents.
Conceived on the roof during a storm.
Named after Bob Dylan.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 18, 2015 11:12 AM (IK6ub)

226 199 Here's the deal ... if you believe in Capitalism, if you believe in Adam Smith, then you have to believe that ObamaCare will
fail. Miserably.
Posted by: ScoggDog at June 18, 2015 11:00 AM

What MrScribbler said plus to quote Insty: "Things that cannot continue, won't."

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at June 18, 2015 11:12 AM (nqiq9)

227 222 Will he make the Cover of the Rolling Stone?
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 18, 2015 11:11 AM (dRtHa)

Not cute enough for the tween girls.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at June 18, 2015 11:12 AM (RD7QR)

228 And I just recently lost a sale down in FL too. Could not figure out wtf was going wrong, even with the help of two other technical specialists way smarter than me.

My first blown opp!

Posted by: EC at June 18, 2015 11:12 AM (j8YpL)

229 >>And you get the history too. Finishing one year at 120% to plan doesn't mean shit the next year when you only made 80%.

Sadly true. Hero to zero very quickly.

I think everyone should watch Alec Baldwin's epic rant in Glengarry Glen Ross before going into sales. Sales can be a lot of fun and rewarding if you succeed but if you don't it is unforgiving.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 18, 2015 11:13 AM (g1DWB)

230 My plan B is to wind up homeless on the street and start drinking Sterno.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at June 18, 2015 11:11 AM (QHgTq)


Squeeze is good for you. - things I learned from The Andromeda Strain

Posted by: physics geek at June 18, 2015 11:13 AM (MT22W)

231 RHINOs and GOP Leadership to the loyal base: FUCK YOU AND THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 11:13 AM (wq4B0)

232
(Mommy's recipe, moist and coconutty, you'll love them),
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 18, 2015 11:08 AM (JtwS4)


I am sure I would if I didn't hate coconut.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at June 18, 2015 11:10 AM (mf5HN)


Hmmmmm.

I have peanut butter and chocolate chip cookies but they're both rather crumbly, so you'll be needing my Brushing Crumbs Off The Rack services.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 18, 2015 11:13 AM (JtwS4)

233 Welcome to the life of a small business owner. Sigh of relief on Dec 31, ulcer cranks back up Jan 1.


Yup. It's what I signed on for. I embrace it.

Posted by: EC at June 18, 2015 11:13 AM (j8YpL)

234 Oh Praise the Lord we are all saved: the President will talk about the SC shooting.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 11:15 AM (wq4B0)

235 @exjon just re-tweeted a report that the Charleston murderer has been apprehended in Shelby, N.C.

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 18, 2015 11:15 AM (KCxzN)

236 DIABLOs and GOP Leadership to the loyal base: "You will get nothing and like it!"

https://youtu.be/gcJjlL3izVc

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at June 18, 2015 11:16 AM (O7MnT)

237 I have a suggestion for the good church going folks across the country. Two sets of doors at the entrance, inner one locked. In between, a nice large-ish person dressed in an appropriate jacket. Underneath jacket, 45 acp. I think that would end most of these situations.

Posted by: fairweatherbill gatekeeper of pestilence at June 18, 2015 11:17 AM (1eYr7)

238 Palette cleanser, courtesy of Mother Nature. Just looked out the window,and there is a turkey hen in the yard with six itty-bitty chicks. Can hardly see them..., just like little dust bunnies moving in the grass.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 18, 2015 11:20 AM (F2IAQ)

239 234 Oh Praise the Lord we are all saved: the President will talk about the SC shooting.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 18, 2015 11:15 AM


Oh f**k...

Posted by: donna at June 18, 2015 11:20 AM (Bn6aD)

240 I am sure I would if I didn't hate coconut.
Posted by: alexthechick
------------------

* cancels plan of stocking up on Mounds Bars as Alextopia exchange medium *

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 18, 2015 11:22 AM (F2IAQ)

241 Remember that bogus "right wing" terrorism story the other day? This is an example of what is called "right wing" even tho it is not.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at June 18, 2015 11:23 AM (0x/TW)

242 @236
If only. Instead, we're taking it up the tailpipe without lube, and being told to ask for more. Time for me to send in that change of registration form. To paraphrase the words of a famous man, "I didn't leave the party, it left me." I think saving the Republican party is impossible. I bought Schlichter's book, and about 20 pages in, realized it was pointless, and haven't read any further.

Posted by: Agent J at June 18, 2015 11:24 AM (9Mtv3)

243 241 Remember that bogus "right wing" terrorism story the other day? This is an example of what is called "right wing" even tho it is not.


I'm sure they will be "finding" ties to the tea party and the NRA...

Posted by: donna at June 18, 2015 11:25 AM (Bn6aD)

244 Mike Hammer, don't tell her about the coconut spiders...

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at June 18, 2015 11:29 AM (0x/TW)

245 Root and branch! Nice campaign slogan, for somebody who'd be serious about ripping it out.

Posted by: m at June 18, 2015 11:42 AM (cI4LP)

246 And everyone is calling The Donald a clown?.....
RNC stands for Republican National Clownshow.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 18, 2015 11:54 AM (D0NZx)

247 Great. It's already an oligopsony, and it's just going to get worse.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 18, 2015 10:40 AM (2Ojst)

Once freed from government constraint (read once Obamacare insurance restrictions and minimum coverages go away), the insurance industry will rebound. Even better if the jackholes in Washington actually do something free market like remove restrictions on the sale of insurance across state lines.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 18, 2015 11:58 AM (OrI3J)

248 114 Obama signs into law repeal of all mandates=win

Obama vetos bill that restores subsidies=win

Republicans do absolutely nothing while millions see their premiums skyrocket=lose

I also think the Republican Congress NOT doing anything like this Kabuki is going to force some Red State Governors to set up exchanges.


It's also of a green light to the Supreme Court in case any Justices are wavering.

Democrats are pissed about it, so it's obvious we're on the right track here for once

Posted by: Kal at June 18, 2015 10:51 AM (fooJf)



You're a sucker. It won't get to Obama. The dipshits in the Senate will hold it up until any repealing aspect is stripped from it. They will hold it up until they get a bill that is only about restoring subsidies.

Posted by: buzzion at June 18, 2015 12:08 PM (zt+N6)

249 I don't qualify for subsidies.

But my policy is going up AGAIN.

Why, as a self employed person, am I being discriminated against?

Why is it OK for me to subsidize everyone else?

Posted by: shibumi who is awash in existential dread at June 18, 2015 12:11 PM (GwjEG)

250 I am sure I would if I didn't hate coconut.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at June 18, 2015 11:10 AM (mf5HN)


*fistbump*

Posted by: buzzion at June 18, 2015 12:11 PM (zt+N6)

251 249 I don't qualify for subsidies.

But my policy is going up AGAIN.

Why, as a self employed person, am I being discriminated against?

Why is it OK for me to subsidize everyone else?


Posted by: shibumi who is awash in existential dread at June 18, 2015 12:11 PM (GwjEG)


Ask Chi-Town Jerry and Kal. The Republicans might look mean if they didn't take your money and give it to others.

Posted by: buzzion at June 18, 2015 12:15 PM (zt+N6)

252 If it means Dems sweep a few elections, would the results really be that much different ?

Posted by: ScoggDog


THIS. The bastards took the House and Senate, and then proceeded to do the exact opposite of what they promised they'd do.

They are useless. Doesn't matter if they win or lose at this point, we still get the sh!t sandwich.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at June 18, 2015 12:18 PM (/Ho8c)

253 Rotten Fucking Bastards!

Posted by: Walknot at June 18, 2015 12:41 PM (FnHBZ)

254 Criminals in both parties

Posted by: burt at June 18, 2015 12:50 PM (ls8AU)

255 @93, you're absolutely right, personnel is policy, and between this and hiring the Barbours, Perry is setting off alarm bells when I would *OTHERWISE* be very open to supporting him.

Posted by: Bubba at June 18, 2015 01:36 PM (bpn7O)

256 I'm starting to think I won't bother voting in the next election. If the GOP re-instates these subsidies in any manner whatsoever and for any length of time whatsoever, my mind will be made up.

I'm done. The GOP can kiss my fucking ass.

Posted by: DRayRaven at June 18, 2015 02:40 PM (9YRwm)

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