Was Jeb!'s Florida Economy! Really as Good as He Says?

Short answer: No.

Longer answer: Nope.

Jeb's taking shots at Rick Perry:

Jeb to town hall: "If you ever see my good friend Rick Perry or even my brother George W. tell them we created more jobs in Florida"
— Beth Reinhard (@bethreinhard) June 16, 2015

But Jeb!'s Florida boom was in fact mostly due to the housing bubble. When the housing bubble burst, most of the Bush-era gains went with it.

Now, you can't really blame Jeb! for a housing market bubble. It's beyond the power of a governor (perhaps even a president or Fed) to restrain irrational exuberance and dangerously overleveraged speculation. No matter how many rules we impose to try to stop this from happening, it keeps on happening, usually in pretty much the same way.

But just as we can't blame Jeb! for the housing bubble, neither can we credit him for him.

A bubble is an imaginary thing, fueled by optimism, easy credit, and lots of cocaine. (I imagine; I know most of my economics from Hollywood movies about Wall Street.) The "gains" made in a bubble aren't real, and don't last.

So, as the Washington Post reports: Why should Jeb! Bush be taking credit for that which he would also refuse blame?

Jim Takersley writes:

Jeb Bush is boasting about his economic success as governor. But he owes a large amount of that success -- well more than half, at least -- to the housing bubble that popped as he was leaving office, leaving Florida in deep and prolonged recession.
Bush is officially running for president, and he's leading with his record as governor of Florida. In his kick-off speech Monday in Miami, he promised the U.S. economy would grow 4 percent per year if he is elected, creating 19 million jobs - "growth," he said, "that lifts up the middle class."
He touted his gubernatorial tenure as proof. "It’s possible," he said. "It can be done. We made Florida number one in job creation and number one in small business creation. 1.3 million new jobs, 4.4 percent growth, higher family income, eight balanced budgets, and tax cuts eight years in a row."
Those stats are, indeed, something to brag about. They're also missing a huge caveat, as many Bush critics immediately noted: A significant amount of Florida's economic and job growth in the Bush era was driven by a massive run-up in housing prices -- which peaked in Bush's last year in office, then plunged the state into a worse recession than the nation as a whole.
When you account for the role of housing, Bush's economic record looks a lot more mixed. Almost all of the gains he talks up today, including three-fifths of the job creation, were wiped out in the four years after he left office, once the bubble burst.
It is "empirically inescapable" that "housing was a big part of the robust Florida economy at the time,” said Stan Humphries, the chief economist at the real estate website Zillow, which analyzed the role of housing-driven spending in the state's economic boom.
A Bush campaign spokesman did not return two emails seeking comment.

Now, Florida still made some gains under Bush. But these shots he's taking at Perry seem out of place. No less an economic leading light than Matthew Yglesias* has noted that Rick Perry has the best story to tell of any GOP contender on job creation, not least of all because Rick Perry's Texas pumped out a prodigious amount of jobs -- during an economic recession/recoveryless recovery.

Perry's figures look even better when you consider his jobs don't seem likely to go away soon, given that they were produced during a hard spell for the US economy.

Perry's 14 years in office, by contrast [to Jeb!'s], included stints before, during, and after the Great Recession. His job creation record is the record of a big state weathering a national -- indeed, global --economic calamity and doing a pretty good job of it. The Republican field is crowded, but Perry has the opportunity to stand out with a fairly unusual story of success.

Jeb!'s record here is nothing to be ashamed of, but it's also not nearly as good as he's claiming.

* Matthew Yglesias, Bachelor of Philosophy, won a Marvel No-Prize in 1997 for noting that the explanation given of the Jackal's demise in the Amazing Spiderman #254 contradicted the explanation given in the original Jackal storyline (Amazing Spiderman 115-119).

He also once got the Final Jeopardy question right, or pretty much did. He said the answer pretty much when Alec Trebeck did. Tip of his tongue, you know.

Posted by: Ace at 06:45 PM

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1 In fairness to Jeb, he's full of shit.

Posted by: huerfano at June 16, 2015 06:47 PM (bynk/)

2 1 In fairness to Jeb, he's full of shit.
Posted by: huerfano at June 16, 2015 06:47 PM (bynk/)

El caca, por favor.

Posted by: Jeb! at June 16, 2015 06:48 PM (vgIRn)

3 Screw the Jeb!!!

Posted by: Ronster at June 16, 2015 06:49 PM (8WDL/)

4 Can we have Republicans attack the D's rather than each other this time please!

Posted by: Yo! at June 16, 2015 06:50 PM (q+zA9)

5 Jeb can kiss my grits.

Posted by: Flo at June 16, 2015 06:50 PM (j2/uG)

6 F*ck that Florida Monkey F*cker. The societal condition of Florida is enough reason to ignore that idiot. F*ck him and the manatee that is Hillary! that he rode in on.

Can you tell that I stopped off at the bar on the way home?

In vino veritas

Posted by: Country Singer at June 16, 2015 06:50 PM (nL0sw)

7
I could be on Team Perry, no way going to be on Team Jeb

no F'ing way!

Posted by: Yo! at June 16, 2015 06:51 PM (q+zA9)

8 Jeb!

Posted by: Jeb! at June 16, 2015 06:52 PM (15/oZ)

9 Can we have Republicans attack the D's rather than each other this time please!
Posted by: Yo!

But Jeb the Electable attacking the wingnutz is a recipe for success. Just look at how well it worked in '08 and '12.

Posted by: Neill & Bob, GOPe consultants at June 16, 2015 06:52 PM (tgnRB)

10 Can't really give a full opinion on this because Charlie Crist left carrot juice stains on a bunch of documents.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 16, 2015 06:52 PM (U67az)

11 Is anyone beyond big business and his family at all excited by the Jeb! campaign?

Posted by: logprof at June 16, 2015 06:53 PM (15/oZ)

12 Perry's record was helped by the oil boom wasn't it?

Posted by: Jeanne of the Great White North at June 16, 2015 06:53 PM (8X1+0)

13 No matter how many rules we impose to try to stop this from happening, it keeps on happening, usually in pretty much the same way.

What part of SILVER FUCKIN' DIMES don't you get????

Posted by: Ron 'Dr. Science2Ubitch' Paul at June 16, 2015 06:54 PM (uctT+)

14 Perry's record was helped by the oil boom wasn't it?

Posted by: Jeanne of the Great White North at June 16, 2015 06:53 PM (8X1+0)

That and offing a coyote while jogging. But mostly by offing a coyote while jogging.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 16, 2015 06:54 PM (nL0sw)

15 Q. What's the difference between a garbage fire and the Jeb! Bush campaign?
A. Duration.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 16, 2015 06:55 PM (OURe4)

16 Jeb!? Feh.

Now Lindsay Graham is a candidate I can get behind.

Posted by: Ricky Martin at June 16, 2015 06:56 PM (15/oZ)

17 Texas vs Florida, how many retirees vs how many Undocumented Americans (new term for illegals)?

I mentioned earlier that I received an email from Jeb Jr, saying he needed to report back to Dad. Feel free to report back: screw off, Dad.

Posted by: mallfly at June 16, 2015 06:56 PM (qSIlh)

18 Perry's figures look even better when you consider his jobs don't seem likely to go away soon, given that they were produced during a hard spell for the US economy.

I can assure you that it's not for a lack of trying.

Posted by: Emperor Barky Clusterfuck I at June 16, 2015 06:56 PM (l3LvV)

19 IIRC, neither was his Child Service Dept any good either. Much waste and incompetency.

Posted by: olddog in mo at June 16, 2015 06:57 PM (BGCet)

20 Jeb Bush: A Luxury Boat on Every Dock

Posted by: Dave S. at June 16, 2015 06:57 PM (mhkbv)

21 Now Lindsay Graham is a candidate I can get behind.
Posted by: Ricky Martin

Glad you have my back

Posted by: Lindsay Graham at June 16, 2015 06:57 PM (tgnRB)

22 Perry's record was helped by the oil boom wasn't it?

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Yes - but so far there has not been much of a drop-off (subject to change of course).

Posted by: SH at June 16, 2015 06:57 PM (gmeXX)

23 Only one of these guys told the Department of Education to sod off.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 16, 2015 06:58 PM (U67az)

24 Perry and the Republicans' Texas was greatly helped by the fact that it wasn't Jerry Brown and the Democrats' Texas.

Posted by: mallfly at June 16, 2015 06:58 PM (qSIlh)

25 The problem with Florida, is that its full of Floridians.

Posted by: Longshanks at June 16, 2015 06:59 PM (8ZskC)

26
That's nice. But you know who's better than all these pussies?

Gov Lepage in Maine. This guy says whateverthefuck about whoeverthefuck.

Today on Howie Carr he called the Democrats in Maine's legislature terrorists. I shit you not.

Jeb Bush is a pussy. Rick Perry is a pussy. Rubio is a pussy. They're all pussies.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 16, 2015 06:59 PM (NgmvY)

27 and don't tell me that you saw Perry and the Republicans' Texas open for Jerry Brown and the Democrats' Texas in 1988, whoever you are

Posted by: mallfly at June 16, 2015 06:59 PM (qSIlh)

28 Perry and the Republicans' Texas was greatly helped by the fact that it wasn't Jerry Brown and the Democrats' Texas.

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Well yes - no income taxes and exploiting your natural resources are a good start.

Posted by: SH at June 16, 2015 07:00 PM (gmeXX)

29 Jeb Bush: Train your H1-B replacement with a smile.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 16, 2015 07:00 PM (OURe4)

30 % increase in state employees

Err, not the best phrasing. Almost sounds like public sector workers, not private sector workers in a given state.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 16, 2015 07:00 PM (uctT+)

31 I can have my facts. You can have yours. I have 100 million to expose mine to the electorate good luck with yours.

Posted by: Jeb Bush 2016 at June 16, 2015 07:00 PM (wkuqO)

32 I hate you fuckers. All of you. But that doesn't mean you can't favor me with your vote.

Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at June 16, 2015 07:00 PM (8ZskC)

33 The question is moot. No more Bushes, no way, no how.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 16, 2015 07:01 PM (rwI+c)

34 re 30: I definitely thought the same thing at first.

Posted by: mallfly at June 16, 2015 07:01 PM (qSIlh)

35
So Herr Clinton is out there proposing free shit such as college and preschool and the Repubelicans are trading barbs over who the biggest job creator is. Yeah that'll get 'em to the polls.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 16, 2015 07:01 PM (NgmvY)

36 Gov Lepage in Maine. This guy says whateverthefuck about whoeverthefuck.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 16, 2015 06:59 PM (NgmvY)

Sounds like my local sheriff: http://tinyurl.com/omhn4nd

Posted by: Country Singer at June 16, 2015 07:01 PM (nL0sw)

37 Would I like a El Presidente Jeb? Hardly.

Would I like a Preezy Billary? Are you shittin' me? I'd take Jeb for the simple reason it would stop any more Billary attempts to skarew us.

Posted by: Hank at June 16, 2015 07:02 PM (y0s0q)

38 1
In fairness to Jeb, he's full of shit.

Posted by: huerfano at June 16, 2015 06:47 PM (bynk/)
No truer words, my friend!

Posted by: Peaches, Team Perry at June 16, 2015 07:02 PM (EgOr3)

39 I got my first piece of ass when I was in Mexico. I don't care what you say we need more ass.

Posted by: Jeb Bush 2016 at June 16, 2015 07:02 PM (wkuqO)

40 Call me Arbusto!

Posted by: Jeb! at June 16, 2015 07:02 PM (15/oZ)

41 I think I'll have Rubio's Fish Tacos for dinner.
That's a real thing.

Posted by: wooga at June 16, 2015 07:02 PM (u8L7k)

42 The ass is more dynamic in Mexico. You have to chase it.

Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at June 16, 2015 07:03 PM (8ZskC)

43 I saw Perry and the Republicans Texas open for Every Indicted Illinois Democrat in Los Angeles in 1988.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 16, 2015 07:03 PM (U67az)

44 re 33: I'd vote for Ted Kennedy's grandson if he had a record as conservative as... well, a conservative. Jeb just has that middle of the road, cross the aisle to get things done... stink. Like his old man agreeing to raise taxes in 1989.

Posted by: mallfly at June 16, 2015 07:03 PM (qSIlh)

45
The question is moot. No more Bushes, no way, no how.

I can't believe he's really running. His shithead brother left office with a 29% approval rating. It pisses me off that he has the nerve to do this.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 16, 2015 07:04 PM (NgmvY)

46 Under the Jeb Bush Administration, I predict that donkey shows will become a major craze in America.

Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at June 16, 2015 07:04 PM (8ZskC)

47 My Sheriff's name is "Hoss" Mack. I knew he would get elected the first time I heard his name. If I ran for office, I'd change my name to "Big Bob" or something.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 16, 2015 07:04 PM (rwI+c)

48 re 43: must have been a big arena. Or a very long show.

Posted by: mallfly at June 16, 2015 07:04 PM (qSIlh)

49 Off topic.
Just saw Trump announce on Greta. Very lackluster and uninspiring.

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 16, 2015 07:04 PM (6n332)

50 I'm all for more bush, just not this one.

Posted by: Hillary! at June 16, 2015 07:05 PM (15/oZ)

51
¡Jeb!

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 16, 2015 07:05 PM (NgmvY)

52 Look at that long, black graph thingy for Perry! *looks around nervously for race police*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2015 07:05 PM (FsuaD)

53 I've been getting lots of e-mail missives full of hope! and begging! from Jeb. Apparently he's under the impression I think he's just great. I guess he doesn't read AOS.

Posted by: pep at June 16, 2015 07:05 PM (LAe3v)

54 Does Jeb Bush have a Gucci store? No?

So sorry.

Posted by: Donald Trump at June 16, 2015 07:05 PM (8ZskC)

55 Big Bob Hardwood would work.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 16, 2015 07:05 PM (rwI+c)

56 Bush last on my list but that criticism is reaching. Texas's job boom connected to greatly to energy. We are seeing loss of jobs / job growth because of the recent oil plunge. I won't criticize Perry for that.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 16, 2015 07:05 PM (rxtQa)

57 You know Jeb will bring in all the stale old fcukers that his old man used.

And it will be the same stale old "solutions" that never work.

The only thing that will change is who gets the corporate handouts, tax breaks and ambassadorships.

Posted by: Jakee308 at June 16, 2015 07:05 PM (zRby/)

58 Off topic.
Just saw Trump announce on Greta. Very lackluster and uninspiring.

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I really hope Trump makes a go of this.

Posted by: SH at June 16, 2015 07:05 PM (gmeXX)

59
my spanish upside down pineapple cake exclamation point did not work

but that's the right way to write ¡Jeb!

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 16, 2015 07:06 PM (NgmvY)

60 *facepalms until face is on chest*

@HarrietBaldwin 6m
Here we go: Jeb Bush Slow Jams the News on 'Tonight Show', Translates for Spanish-Speaking Viewers http://thr.cm/tnIvrW

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 16, 2015 07:06 PM (uctT+)

61 I don't care what you say we need more ass.

Posted by: Jeb Bush 2016 at June 16, 2015 07:02 PM (wkuqO)
So . . . you will be voting for Granny Pantsuit?

Posted by: Peaches, Team Perry at June 16, 2015 07:06 PM (EgOr3)

62 Yeah, Darth, worst money-shot ever. I would have announced all over that bitch, yo.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 16, 2015 07:06 PM (2cS/G)

63 _...a clear victory to Governor [Jeb] Bush, who along with Florida's influential Congressional delegation opposed any drilling (read: any drilling at all) that might threaten the state's beaches.
Joseph Kahn, NYT, July 3, 2001 ---rimshot---

Posted by: Ralph at June 16, 2015 07:07 PM (PE2bZ)

64 Serious question, would putting Trump, Dick Gephardt, and Charlie Crist on the same screen fry every video chip in the world?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 16, 2015 07:07 PM (U67az)

65 The fact that Trump went after Perry because *Hot, Humid Hangar* is incredible.

And his statement about, "Do these people think they can defeat ISIS?" is more incredible.

I guess The Donald missed all those vets and heroes surrounding Rick.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2015 07:08 PM (FsuaD)

66 In fairness, Perry's tenure was a lot longer than those others. So his % increase should be good.

Posted by: SH at June 16, 2015 07:08 PM (gmeXX)

67 49 Off topic.
Just saw Trump announce on Greta. Very lackluster and uninspiring.
Posted by: Darth Randall at June 16, 2015 07:04 PM (6n332)

--Rush today noted a CNN twitette saying that Trump entering was bad because it makes "lesser" GOP candidates like Dr. Carson seem respectable. Rush blasted her, noting (correctly) that Dr. Carson --whatever one thinks of his views-- has already accomplished more is his life than any professional politician.

Posted by: logprof at June 16, 2015 07:08 PM (15/oZ)

68 re 63: so no dentists allowed to work on the beach?

ha ha , I kill me.

Posted by: mallfly at June 16, 2015 07:08 PM (qSIlh)

69 Perry never created a job in his life. He's never worked outside of government, so how could he?

Posted by: X at June 16, 2015 07:09 PM (xGNLA)

70 but that's the right way to write Jeb!
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 16, 2015 07:06 PM (NgmvY)

--I didn't even bother trying because Black Diamond.

Posted by: logprof at June 16, 2015 07:09 PM (15/oZ)

71 Rush blasted her, noting (correctly) that Dr. Carson --whatever one thinks of his views-- has already accomplished more is his life than any professional politician.

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Same could be said for Trump.

Posted by: SH at June 16, 2015 07:09 PM (gmeXX)

72 ¡¡¡JEB!!!

Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at June 16, 2015 07:09 PM (8ZskC)

74
--I didn't even bother trying because Black Diamond.

It's like a slap in the face, isn't it?

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 16, 2015 07:10 PM (NgmvY)

75 LMAO, you can't even quote a comment with a Black Diamond of Death in it because you get an error message.

Posted by: logprof at June 16, 2015 07:10 PM (15/oZ)

76 JEB: Mine's bigger!

W: No mine's bigger!

JEB: MINE

W: MINE

Rick: Mine's bigger than both of yours!

JEB & W: IS NOT!

Barbara: Boys! You'll wake your father. And Rick, put that away.

Posted by: LochLomondFarms at June 16, 2015 07:10 PM (tLE6W)

77 Trumplestilskin, let down your hair...

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 16, 2015 07:10 PM (2cS/G)

78
Bush spoke at the downtown Adams Memorial Opera House, wearing neither jacket nor tie....

...but wearing a pert and flirty pair of blue denim skorts.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 16, 2015 07:10 PM (kdS6q)

79 Why is Romney on that chart?

Posted by: did I miss an announcement or twelve? at June 16, 2015 07:10 PM (aP87+)

80
Jeb was not my favorite, but he was a good boy who came home with a pretty little taco.

Posted by: Barbara Bush at June 16, 2015 07:11 PM (P330y)

81 by the way, in the Texas vs Florida job creation thing, anyone have any idea about pay rates? I suspect working on an oil rig pays more than saying "so what do you want with that, kishka or kasha varnishkas..?"
(Sefton, come explain to the gentiles)

Posted by: mallfly at June 16, 2015 07:11 PM (qSIlh)

82 Though I think the criticism of actual facts is reaching, Jeb's tweet comparing job creation with Texas is asinine. What a douche.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 16, 2015 07:11 PM (rxtQa)

83 Why is Romney on that chart?

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To remind you that he really was a bad candidate.

Posted by: SH at June 16, 2015 07:11 PM (gmeXX)

84 No, Perry did not create jobs. He created conditions favorable for job creation.

Being a willful ass is not a good trait, X.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 16, 2015 07:11 PM (U67az)

85 ...but wearing a pert and flirty pair of blue denim skorts.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix

Pasty, cottage cheese thighs are the new hotness.

Posted by: George Will at June 16, 2015 07:12 PM (tgnRB)

86 Rick Perry is so awesome he doesn't need an exclamation point. The ! is inherent in his name.

I'm mostly back on his bandwagon after he opposed ObamaTrade (especially in the face of other conservatives like Cruz and Walker supporting it!).

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 16, 2015 07:12 PM (xetep)

87
My review of Dunkin Donuts new Chips Ahoy flavored ice coffee:

If you said here drink this and guess what flavor it is, I'd never guess Chips Ahoy. It's good and tasty, I'll say that. But it tastes like ice coffee with chocolate syrup.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 16, 2015 07:12 PM (NgmvY)

88 I've just gotta say, for all of you conspiracy nutjobs out there, - if Jeb! was in any way responsible for the submarining of manbearpig during the presidential election of 2000, he's got my vote.

Who knew what a hanging chad was before that? Eh?

Posted by: Fritz at June 16, 2015 07:12 PM (GFrM3)

89 On the early Foxes and their legs this morning something like 75% of Floridians never have voted on Jeb!

Posted by: Skip at June 16, 2015 07:12 PM (cJnP4)

90 and one can also compare Texas to, say, Virginia and ask, which state created more jobs that created wealth vs those that created more government regulation? I'd like that to be an issue, but most people won't get it.

Posted by: mallfly at June 16, 2015 07:13 PM (qSIlh)

91 71 Rush blasted her, noting (correctly) that Dr. Carson --whatever one thinks of his views-- has already accomplished more is his life than any professional politician.

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Same could be said for Trump.
Posted by: SH at June 16, 2015 07:09 PM (gmeXX)

--True, but the newsbabe was labeling Dr. Carson as a whack-job wingnut, which was why Rush defended him.

Posted by: logprof at June 16, 2015 07:13 PM (15/oZ)

92 --True, but the newsbabe was labeling Dr. Carson as a whack-job wingnut, which was why Rush defended him.

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Oh I see. Well true - very true.

Posted by: SH at June 16, 2015 07:13 PM (gmeXX)

93
Ace Of Black Diamonds HQ?

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 16, 2015 07:14 PM (NgmvY)

94 A Rik Peri once bit my sister!

No, realli!

Posted by: 1,000 Mexican Whooping Jebs at June 16, 2015 07:15 PM (j2/uG)

95
Ever see the mugshot of Juan Ellis' daughter?

It's not pretty.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 16, 2015 07:15 PM (NgmvY)

96 re 89: the Dems after losing Congress in 1994 finally settled on saying that only about 51 percent of eligible voters voted, and the Repubs only got about half of that, so the Repubs only got about 26 percent of eligible voters, and therefor the Repubs didn't really win.

This is calls any excuse of a port in a storm you lost.

Posted by: mallfly at June 16, 2015 07:15 PM (qSIlh)

97 Has Jeb ever promised to make Washington inconsequential to my life?

Gotta admit - that's a pretty good line (even if a unicorn).

Posted by: SH at June 16, 2015 07:16 PM (gmeXX)

98
I'm mostly back on his bandwagon after he opposed ObamaTrade (especially in the face of other conservatives like Cruz and Walker supporting it!).
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 16, 2015 07:12 PM (xetep)

--He did? Cool. Perry gets lotta points for that. I await to see if he's overcome foot-and-mouth disease before I commit.

Posted by: logprof at June 16, 2015 07:16 PM (15/oZ)

99 Ever see the mugshot of Juan Ellis' daughter?

It's not pretty.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 16, 2015 07:15 PM (NgmvY)
Is that the druggie one?

Posted by: Peaches, Team Perry at June 16, 2015 07:16 PM (EgOr3)

100 re 95: she had drug issues, I vaguely recall? Rings an out of tune bell.

Posted by: mallfly at June 16, 2015 07:17 PM (qSIlh)

101 I'm not so sure housing bubbles are inevitable. Texas never really got on that bandwagon.

Posted by: Lauren at June 16, 2015 07:17 PM (FFJit)

102
Yeah, Jeb's daughter had a rough go of it about ten years ago or so. Druggie...whore...thief...

Or something like that.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 16, 2015 07:17 PM (NgmvY)

103 Matt Yglesias can quote the ingredients list on the back of a pack of Twinkies....from memory.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 16, 2015 07:17 PM (oVJmc)

104 His record is somewhat long in the tooth.

I'm really more interested in what someone has accomplished in the current political and economic environment, than I am in what he did under a different administration.

Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2015 07:17 PM (RWGcK)

105 "He created conditions favorable for job creation. "

he's one amazing aggie.

Posted by: X at June 16, 2015 07:17 PM (xGNLA)

106
ah ah ah corazon espinado
ah ah ah como me duele el amor

Posted by: embroglios at June 16, 2015 07:17 PM (THDNf)

107 Yes, all stale establishment candidates must have ! after their names. It's the law!

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at June 16, 2015 07:17 PM (96Dar)

108 Posted by: SH at June 16, 2015 07:09 PM (gmeXX

I don't count making money as an 'accomplishment'. That's a skill.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 16, 2015 07:17 PM (rxtQa)

109 I represent those who didn't vote. Especially the illegals. I have a mandate and speaker boehner agrees.

Posted by: Your leader Obama at June 16, 2015 07:17 PM (wkuqO)

110 Matt Yglesias is a Twinkie. Prove me wrong.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 16, 2015 07:19 PM (U67az)

111 90, Yeah, they ask Rick, what's your plan, he says, get government out of the way. They say, You need a comprehensive 10 point program with 5 sub programs to each point. Rick, you're so stupid.

Posted by: Ralph at June 16, 2015 07:19 PM (PE2bZ)

112 If Ben Carson screws up, you know it.

If politicians do, they never bear any fallout.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 16, 2015 07:19 PM (oVJmc)

113 "14 Perry's record was helped by the oil boom wasn't it?

Posted by: Jeanne of the Great White North at June 16, 2015 06:53 PM (8X1+0) "

Yes, but that's actually not the largest economic sector in Texas. Texas did a good job of diversifying after the last oil boom and bust.

Posted by: Lauren at June 16, 2015 07:19 PM (FFJit)

114 I can't believe the tone deafness with running this piece of crud.

It almost rivals the tone deafness in running Romney when polls said 100% of Americans wanted to kill all the hedge fund types and rape and murder their families.

It almost like it doesn't matter if the GOPe douchenozzle wins or loses.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 16, 2015 07:19 PM (oFCZn)

115
The former governor of Florida weighed in climate change Tuesday during a town hall in Derry, New Hampshire. "The climate is changing, whether men are doing it or not," Bush said, further calling for "policies of adaptation" to prep for its harmful consequences across the country.

Freedom from choice. Is what you want.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 16, 2015 07:20 PM (kdS6q)

116
The AoShq musical this year will be Paint Your Wagon. Auditions this Thursday at 6PM

https://goo.gl/thJ3ND

I was born under a wandering star
I was born under a wandering star

Wheels are made for rolling, mules are made to pack
I've never seen a sight that didn't look better looking back

I was born under a wandering star!!!!!!!!!!!

Bring your baritones, ladies!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 16, 2015 07:20 PM (iQIUe)

117

This will be the first time I either 1) don't vote, or 2) write in

...if Jeb is nominated.

I refuse to heel.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Messi's sleeve tattoo makes me weep. at June 16, 2015 07:20 PM (qCMvj)

118 >>12 Perry's record was helped by the oil boom wasn't it?

Texas' economy continues to create more jobs despite lower oil prices, according to the latest Monthly Review of the Texas Economy published by the Real Estate Center at Texas A & M University.

The state's economy gained 304,200 non-agricultural jobs from April 2014 to April 2015, an annual growth rate of 2.6 percent compared with 2.2 percent for the United States.

The state's non-government sector added 282,200 jobs, an annual growth rate of 2.9 percent compared with 2.6 percent for the nation's private sector.

Texas' seasonally adjusted unemployment rate fell to 4.2 percent in April 2015 from 5.2 percent in April 2014. The nation's rate decreased from 6.2 to 5.4 percent

Link: http://today.tamu.edu/2015/06/02/falling-oil-prices-not-stopping-texas-job-growth/

Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2015 07:20 PM (RWGcK)

119 Oh I see. Well true - very true.
Posted by: SH at June 16, 2015 07:13 PM (gmeXX)

--Parents have literally trusted Dr. Carson with the lives of their children. I'm not sure I could say that about any other candidate of either party. Doesn't necessarily mean he'd be the best Prez, but character goes a long way.

Posted by: logprof at June 16, 2015 07:20 PM (ZyiU/)

120
It almost like it doesn't matter if the GOPe douchenozzle wins or loses.

As crazy as that seems, I believe there's lots of truth in it.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 16, 2015 07:21 PM (NgmvY)

121 re 101: get a copy of the great Thomas Sowell's book on the Housing Boom and Bust. He showed that to a great extent the bubble was due to government policies and generally limited to places like NYC and California. He noted that Texas housing prices remained about level with wages, because Texas had few regulations on housing, nearly no rules on open space between houses or minimum property size or minimum house size.
San Diego on the other hand... whoooosh!

Posted by: mallfly at June 16, 2015 07:21 PM (qSIlh)

122 OT: Trying to listen to the most recent AoSHQ podcast at work using Stitcher and I've noticed the last two times I've tried to do this the show cuts out and restarts about half way through.

I'm unable to click on the bar and move it back to where it cut off. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Btw, I tried using itunes and it won't allow me to install it.

Posted by: Sid Farkas at June 16, 2015 07:21 PM (BDZWU)

123

Character

Throwing Grandma under the bus.

Throwing your brother under the bus.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Messi's sleeve tattoo makes me weep. at June 16, 2015 07:21 PM (qCMvj)

124 Since this thread is tangentially about Rick Perry, I'd like to let the 'ettes know that he has snagged the absolutely scrummy Brad Thor's endorsement.

The best-looking candidate has the handsomest conservative's endorsement.

Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2015 07:22 PM (RWGcK)

125 Matt Yglesias is a Twinkie. Prove me wrong.

" it would be a Twinkie... thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds."

Posted by: Egon Spengler at June 16, 2015 07:22 PM (oVJmc)

126 But who got more State Dept guys killed?

Posted by: Diogenes at June 16, 2015 07:22 PM (Z9g7j)

127
Oh, dear...Rachel Dolezal just thanked Godfrey for his support. LOL

https://goo.gl/lWldmi

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 16, 2015 07:22 PM (iQIUe)

128 Rick Perry is a humble, self-effacing, God-fearing man who would not let his ego get in the way of putting the best people in. I know he's an outlier but I just cannot rid myself of the bone-deep feeling that he would be the best man for the job.

Posted by: Peaches, Team Perry at June 16, 2015 07:22 PM (EgOr3)

129 New logo: ¿Jeb?

Posted by: no dynasties at June 16, 2015 07:23 PM (EOUVM)

130 You can still buy a 2000 sqft house in Texas for under 200k. That's a huge part of the Texas Magic equation.

Posted by: Lauren at June 16, 2015 07:23 PM (FFJit)

131
Yes, the climate is changing, the TV told me so.

I'm so sick of these cowards.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 16, 2015 07:23 PM (NgmvY)

132 All of us down at the Brattleboro Women's Reproductive Health and Teenager Positive Decision Clinic agree that Bush and his brother were both liars about the economy. We are proud, so proud of Presdent Obonna (First Presdent of Color also) for bringing down the unemployment rate to 5% when it was near 25% under Bush. Bush lied to America, the world and to our Presdent of Color. We calls on Presdent Oblama to arrest him now and try him for crimes against persons of color and persons of some color in that World Court Thing Place in Canada.. Bush lieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at June 16, 2015 07:23 PM (lNSdJ)

133 Since this thread is tangentially about Rick Perry,
I'd like to let the 'ettes know that he has snagged the absolutely
scrummy Brad Thor's endorsement.

The best-looking candidate has the handsomest conservative's endorsement.

Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2015 07:22 PM (RWGcK)
Shweet!!!! Thanks for puttin' up that info, Y-not!

Posted by: Peaches, Team Perry at June 16, 2015 07:23 PM (EgOr3)

134 re 110: show me the hole where the cream filling was inserted.

ok, never mind.

Posted by: mallfly at June 16, 2015 07:23 PM (qSIlh)

135
Yeah, Jeb's daughter had a rough go of it about ten years ago or so. Druggie...whore...thief...
Posted by: Soothsayer

In 2002, Noelle was arrested after she tried to forge a Xanax prescription in Tallahassee. As a result, a judge sentenced her to rehab. In July 2002, she was jailed for three days for breaking the rules of her program. Then, in October 2002, Noelle was sentenced to ten days in prison after some crack was found in her shoe at the rehab center.

Noelle Bush now works as the office manager at Empower Software Soultions, according to her LinkedIn page. Online records show that Jeb Bush sites on the board of Empower. She lists her duties as Answer phones, office support management. Research for market base.

Noelle graduated from Tallahassee Community College in 1999 and Florida State University in 2002 with a degree in leisure and recreation.

So, pretty typical FSU grad.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 16, 2015 07:24 PM (kdS6q)

136

Instead of talking against Democrat Party policies, let's trash the contenders.

Worked last time, didn't it?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Messi's sleeve tattoo makes me weep. at June 16, 2015 07:24 PM (qCMvj)

137
@GodfreyElfwick
629 people unfollowed me this week and they can all suck my big black cock.

Thanks to http://Unfollowers.com

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 16, 2015 07:24 PM (iQIUe)

138 I don't think we need someone in the White House who is somehow peripherally connected to a rock that someone painted the n-word on.

Posted by: Egon Spengler at June 16, 2015 07:25 PM (oVJmc)

139 Yeah but Trump produced millions of combover hairs!!!

Posted by: navypopojojo at June 16, 2015 07:25 PM (56r3D)

140 This article in the Daily Caller describes how Thor decided to back Perry this time around:

http://tinyurl.com/pzm6qvu

Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2015 07:25 PM (RWGcK)

141 Yes, Jeb!'s daughter was busted on narco charges (possession, IIRC). Won't hold that against him though, and can hardly blame her since pols' children are probably more fucked up than PK's.

Posted by: logprof at June 16, 2015 07:26 PM (ZyiU/)

142 My suggested campaign slogan for Jeb.

Jeb 2016. Fuck No!

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 16, 2015 07:26 PM (tZZAY)

143 Meanwhile, Rick Perry's daughter married a sort of dopey beta male.

Posted by: Lauren at June 16, 2015 07:27 PM (FFJit)

144 re 131: the climate is most definitely changing! Six months ago is was cold out and now it's warm! Can't you understand that?!

(December: yeah, it's cold out, that's just weather!)

Posted by: mallfly at June 16, 2015 07:28 PM (qSIlh)

145 Peaches!!!!
Welcome back sweet lady

Posted by: navypopojojo at June 16, 2015 07:28 PM (56r3D)

146 Jeb!

Aaaaa-aaaaaaaaaah!

He created all the jobsofus!!!!

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at June 16, 2015 07:29 PM (q20+R)

147 Jeb Bush has made it clear he doesn't care about me or my vote, so he isn't getting it.

That said, I really don't care about his wife's spending or his kid's drug problems.

Two of my neighbors have grown "kids" will substance abuse problems. One is in jail and one is low-jacked.

It might influence my relationship with the Bushes in my private/social life, but I don't like dragging this stuff into political campaigns, especially in the primary. YMMV.

Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2015 07:29 PM (RWGcK)

148 Has anyone ever wondered if we're in a porn bubble? What if the porn bubble collapses? When are we going to have an honest conversation about porn?

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2015 07:29 PM (e3bId)

149 fooey, I gotta go home and feed the herd (one male ginger and one female calico.)

Catches yous laters, peoples.

Posted by: mallfly at June 16, 2015 07:29 PM (qSIlh)

150 So, pretty typical FSU grad.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 16, 2015 07:24 PM (kdS6q)

Hey!

Posted by: Burt Reynolds at June 16, 2015 07:29 PM (ZyiU/)

151 There is nothing wrong with climate change. The last ice age was a bitch.

Posted by: Inuit people at June 16, 2015 07:30 PM (wkuqO)

152 How is Trump going to tout his great economic plans? He's left a trail of fucking people over and bankruptcy's everywhere. He's a caricature. He might talk a good game, but that's it.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 16, 2015 07:30 PM (tZZAY)

153
Instead of talking against Democrat Party policies, let's trash the contenders.

What difference does it make? 4 years ago I woulda agreed with you.

But since then I realized i) that the R's are as bad as the Democrats and ii) the R's are more interested in defeating conservatives than Democrats.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 16, 2015 07:30 PM (NgmvY)

154 148. When are we going to have an honest conversation about porn?

On Memorial Day's ONT

Posted by: navypopojojo at June 16, 2015 07:30 PM (56r3D)

155 This article in the Daily Caller describes how Thor decided to back Perry this time around:

http://tinyurl.com/pzm6qvu

Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2015 07:25 PM (RWGcK)
Wow, that's very good, Y-not! I do like the fact that at least someone is pointing out that Perry is extremely intelligent, as that post-surgery, drugged out debate performance has convinced so many that he is borderline retarded. Which he is most emphatically not.

Posted by: Peaches, Team Perry at June 16, 2015 07:30 PM (EgOr3)

156 If it comes down to Bush and Clinton, I'm calling for a Dark Web election between Mary Clogginstien and Jane D'oh.

Popcorn...lots of popcorn.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 16, 2015 07:30 PM (Z9g7j)

157 I...uh...do NOT want to be in a porn bubble.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 16, 2015 07:31 PM (U67az)

158
@GodfreyElfwick Jun 15

Retweet to end rape culture.
1 RT = -5 rape culture

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 16, 2015 07:31 PM (iQIUe)

159 Instead of talking against Democrat Party policies, let's trash the contenders.

Worked last time, didn't it?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Messi's sleeve tattoo makes me weep.

Well, we managed to bilk hundreds of millions of dollars in donations from rubes, launder them through a phony campaign, and dumped the money into our bank accounts. So yeah, it worked out really well.

Posted by: Neill & Bob, GOPe consultants at June 16, 2015 07:31 PM (tgnRB)

160 Re: 136

If Jeb! somehow wins, we lose.

Actually, if he gets the nomination, Hillary! probably wins.

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at June 16, 2015 07:31 PM (96Dar)

161
Soooooo... if Caitlyn goes to prison after killing that woman on PCH does she go to a women's prison?
*Sweet deal*

Posted by: MAx at June 16, 2015 07:31 PM (YJeFl)

162 When are we going to have an honest conversation about porn?

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2015 07:29 PM (e3bId)
If you are talking about it, it's completely wasted on you.

Posted by: Peaches, Team Perry at June 16, 2015 07:31 PM (EgOr3)

163
Won't hold that against him though, and can hardly blame her since pols' children are probably more fucked up than PK's.
Posted by: logprof

"If you can't manage your own house, how can you manage the White House." Say it in a Jesse Jackson voice, cause it's headed thisaway.

Also, the press will compare and contrast with the Wundarkinder that is Chelsea.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 16, 2015 07:32 PM (kdS6q)

164 Damnit. The ONT is past my bedtime.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2015 07:32 PM (e3bId)

165 Path to citizenship!

Path to citizenship!

Path to citizenship!

Path to citizenship!

Posted by: Robo Jeb! at June 16, 2015 07:33 PM (ZyiU/)

166 Perry/Trump "We get shit done."

Posted by: V2 at June 16, 2015 07:33 PM (xn+nY)

167 minor typo:

"neither can we credit him for him"

Posted by: dude guy at June 16, 2015 07:33 PM (q177U)

168 I've said it before, and it bears repeating:

The GOP must go full Brazilian: NO BUSH

Posted by: The Hardwood Hat at June 16, 2015 07:34 PM (7YlUk)

169 I've said it before, and it bears repeating:

The GOP must go full Brazilian: NO BUSH

Posted by: The Hardwood Hat at June 16, 2015 07:34 PM (7YlUk)

170
If Jeb! somehow wins, we lose.

Actually, if he gets the nomination, Hillary! probably wins.

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at June 16, 2015 07:31 PM
..Yep. I think there's a big enough faction of enough people this time saying eff it. Count me as one. Not to mention that Jeb would not get independents. So that's probably exactly what the party of political suicide will do.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 16, 2015 07:34 PM (tZZAY)

171 Rick Perry will kick Jebbie the huts ass and eat him for breakfast.
I can't wait.

Posted by: chi's sandwIch at June 16, 2015 07:34 PM (gF7gm)

172 Mary's not even trying anymore. That cum milkshake must have fucked up her thought process.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 16, 2015 07:35 PM (ucDmr)

173 Perry/Condoleezza Rice

Now that's the ticket!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 16, 2015 07:35 PM (Z9g7j)

174 169 I've said it before, and it bears repeating:

The GOP must go full Brazilian: NO BUSH
Posted by: The Hardwood Hat at June 16, 2015 07:34 PM (7YlUk)

--and you actually did repeat it.

Thanks, Pixy.

Posted by: logprof at June 16, 2015 07:35 PM (ZyiU/)

175 161
Soooooo... if Caitlyn goes to prison after killing that woman on PCH does she go to a women's prison?
*Sweet deal*
Posted by: MAx at June 16, 2015 07:31 PM (YJeFl)

___________

Nah, he wd be housed at the Calif Medical Facility at Vacaville -- a men's prison.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 16, 2015 07:35 PM (iQIUe)

176 Jeb's oldest is actually pretty impressive. Young George P. is the Texas land Commissioner.

Jeb going after Perry? That just hardens my already Meh attitude toward Jeb.

The lefties put great energy into slandering Texas' amazing job record, because Texas proves them wrong about everything. That shameless liar Debbie WS even called Perry a failed governor!
We don't need that shit from our folks.

Posted by: stace at June 16, 2015 07:36 PM (CoX6k)

177 Condoleezza Rice / Colon Powell. If we break it we must fix it.

Posted by: just saying at June 16, 2015 07:36 PM (wkuqO)

178
"We have to reweave the web of civility," Bush said. "I have deep disagreements with liberal Democrats but I don't assume they have bad motives."

"The nice stranger that Mommy sent to pick us up said there's candy in his van!"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 16, 2015 07:36 PM (kdS6q)

179 "In his kick-off speech Monday in Miami, he promised the U.S. economy would grow 4 percent per year if he is elected, creating 19 million jobs"

Just thought it should be pointed out that Obama's locked-in "green" energy policies are likely to cap out potential U.S. growth in the 2 to 2.5 percent range for the foreseeable future.

Those changes won't magically revert when Obama leaves.

It's just not possible to decommission a massive amount of a country's electrical generating capacity, and replace it with a smaller amount of generating capacity which is both far more expensive and far less reliable, and not have that become a giant drag upon economic potential.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 16, 2015 07:36 PM (noWW6)

180 Of course, and I did try to not think about this but, if Brad Thor was on Team Santorum last time, it's entirely possibly that he wouldn't recognize "intelligent" if it bit him in the scrotum.

Posted by: Peaches, Team Perry at June 16, 2015 07:37 PM (EgOr3)

181 If the nomination were based on the winner of a cage fight, my dinero is on Perry. Unless somebody knows Kung Fu.

Posted by: Weasel at June 16, 2015 07:37 PM (e3bId)

182 And so it begins. The circle firing squad.

Does the GOP have a patent on this?

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 16, 2015 07:37 PM (0FSuD)

183 the climate is most definitely changing! Six months ago is was cold out and now it's warm! Can't you understand that?!

If the rate of increase stays the same, I expect to burst into flame by November.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 16, 2015 07:38 PM (rwI+c)

184 The lefties put great energy into slandering Texas' amazing job record, because Texas proves them wrong about everything. That shameless liar Debbie WS even called Perry a failed governor!
We don't need that shit from our folks.
Posted by: stace at June 16, 2015 07:36 PM (CoX6k)

--and we'll get the recycled claptrap that red states are a net suck in federal dollars. Gee, does the fact that Texas has military bases that are so huge that they are more like statelets have something to do with that?

Posted by: logprof at June 16, 2015 07:38 PM (ZyiU/)

185 Carly Fiorina / Condoleezza Rice

Salt 'n Peppa...they push it real good!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 16, 2015 07:39 PM (Z9g7j)

186 the party of political suicide

Minnfidel, I am so stealing that!

Posted by: Peaches, Team Perry at June 16, 2015 07:40 PM (EgOr3)

187 Does the GOP have a patent on this?
Posted by: Nip Sip at June 16, 2015 07:37 PM (0FSuD)

errr, no. but AOS has the trademark on circular something, something.

Posted by: just saying at June 16, 2015 07:40 PM (wkuqO)

188 25 The problem with Florida, is that its full of Floridians.
Posted by: Longshanks at June 16, 2015 06:59 PM (8ZskC)

Maybe, but at least my heir isn't a butt jouster.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 16, 2015 07:40 PM (mx5oN)

189 You don't even need a filter, sensor or digital readout to tell if it false anymore.

Posted by: DM at June 16, 2015 07:41 PM (j/tOh)

190
soy capitan, soy capitan
baa-baa-baa-baamba

Posted by: Jefe Yeb at June 16, 2015 07:41 PM (wAQA5)

191 Matt Yglesias can quote the ingredients list on the back of a pack of Twinkies....from memory.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at June 16, 2015 07:17 PM (oVJmc)

Big deal. I could do it when Juiceboxer Matt was 7 years old. And that was after a body fell on my car and John McClane shot at me.

Posted by: SGT Al Powell, LAPD at June 16, 2015 07:41 PM (nL0sw)

192 There is a feud between Perry & Bushes. GHW Bush endorsed former senator from Texas for Governor against Perry in 2010 as did Rive & rest of Bush family, except GW Bush.

I turned off Faux News in 2011 when Rove, etc all started Perry bashing, before Perry goofed up on his own in debates.

Posted by: Carol at June 16, 2015 07:41 PM (sj3Ax)

193 >>errr, no. but AOS has the trademark on circular something, something.

Ace rebutting Jeb's attacks on fellow Republicans is a circular firing squad how, exactly?

Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2015 07:41 PM (RWGcK)

194 Young George P. is the Texas land Commissioner.

Is anyone in that fucking family not sucking on the government teat?

Posted by: Ruling Class at June 16, 2015 07:42 PM (aP87+)

195 The chart shows "state employees" and "US employees". This means people employed by the state govt or the US govt. I assume the morons who created the chart meant "people employed in the state" and "people employed in the nation", but it does not say that.
If the geniuses who run the Fed can't use simple English, we are f***ed. Literally.

Posted by: Les Hardie at June 16, 2015 07:42 PM (d6s75)

196 Rick Perry is the chupacabra of the body politic.

Posted by: Jeb! at June 16, 2015 07:42 PM (QfspF)

197 Young George P. is the Texas land Commissioner.

Isn't that like being the Graft Czar? Or is that the Railroad Commisson?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 16, 2015 07:42 PM (rwI+c)

198 Young George P. is the Texas land Commissioner.

When your pops is the governor, or even was the governor, it's not like you have to flip burgers. No one can possibly believe this guy got this job all fair and square, can they?

Posted by: Peaches, Team Perry at June 16, 2015 07:43 PM (EgOr3)

199 My problem with Perry last time was that he picked lousy people to be his advisors about foreign policy and larger policy issues. Also he is just not good in debates.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2015 07:43 PM (r3stl)

200 Ace rebutting Jeb's attacks on fellow Republicans is a circular firing squad how, exactly?
Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2015 07:41 PM

Don't run around with a chip on your shoulder. It was a reference to circle jerk.

Posted by: just saying at June 16, 2015 07:43 PM (wkuqO)

201 The fact that The Donald came right out of the gate attacking Rick Perry (because Hot Aircraft Hangar!!!) tells you all you need to know.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2015 07:43 PM (FsuaD)

202
There is nothing wrong with climate change. The last ice age was a bitch.
Posted by: Inuit people
.....................................
Warm good, cold bad. Ugh!

Posted by: Ugh the Caveman at June 16, 2015 07:43 PM (wAQA5)

203 Isn't that like being the Graft Czar? Or is that the Railroad Commisson?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 16, 2015 07:42 PM (rwI+c)

All ah know is that the Texas Railroad Commission also regulates propane.

Posted by: Hank Hill at June 16, 2015 07:44 PM (QfspF)

204 Oh, snap, there's a thing on Yahoo now from some New Hampshire Jeb! appearance. Big signs with pics of GW, W, and Jeb! with the caption, in huge letters, "NO BANKER LEFT BEHIND." I honestly don't care who takes him down, or whether it's fair or dirty, I just want to see it happen.

Posted by: Peaches, Team Perry at June 16, 2015 07:45 PM (EgOr3)

205 I was just working in the garden. The temp is "only" 90 or something. Plus humidity.

I'm going to go lie down in our bedroom under the ceiling fan and drink ice water and try not to have a stroke.

Hoping husband doesn't come home from his two day trip out of town tomorrow and find the two kittehs have eaten half my carcass. I won't care, but he will.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2015 07:46 PM (FsuaD)

206 Good ole MSN spam filter.. Jeb send FOUR email to me TODAY.

Funny MSN knew where to send them.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 16, 2015 07:46 PM (0FSuD)

207
Jeb's oldest is actually pretty impressive. Young George P. is the Texas land Commissioner.
Posted by: stace

Wait, you mean a member of a politically powerful family somehow managed to beat the odds and Candyland jump over qualified people to move up the ladder?

Why, he must be simply exceptional.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 16, 2015 07:46 PM (kdS6q)

208 Coming up now on Levin- Trump

Posted by: Ben Had at June 16, 2015 07:47 PM (r3stl)

209 Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 16, 2015 07:46 PM (FsuaD)

We would miss you too, and cats once they taste human blood...well you know what happens then.

Posted by: just saying at June 16, 2015 07:47 PM (wkuqO)

210 Perry was terrible in the last round of debates. Just awful. Which is going to make it even more awesome if he can manage to paddle Jeb Bush's ass for a few minutes in a debate. It will be like the end of a Rocky movie.

Posted by: Dave S. at June 16, 2015 07:47 PM (mhkbv)

211 Take this for whatever you want.

http://tinyurl.com/om89m27

Posted by: bergerbilder at June 16, 2015 07:47 PM (+jijM)

212 The left just bends over backward to defend perverts:

http://goo.gl/90JIFi

No, I dont believe the daughter and no your father on top of you grunting is not natural. Sheesh.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 16, 2015 07:47 PM (iQIUe)

213 Perry was terrible in the last round of debates.
Just awful. Which is going to make it even more awesome if he can
manage to paddle Jeb Bush's ass for a few minutes in a debate. It will
be like the end of a Rocky movie.

Posted by: Dave S. at June 16, 2015 07:47 PM (mhkbv)

He had just had back surgery and he was on painkillers and I'm pretty sure he's all clean and sober now. Plus, he's been working like a dog after a meatwagon for the last few years to do a much better job on that. Dammit. I should probably shut up.

Posted by: Peaches, Team Perry at June 16, 2015 07:49 PM (EgOr3)

214 ah, crap, now pixie himself is punishing me.

Posted by: Peaches, Team Perry at June 16, 2015 07:49 PM (EgOr3)

215 Rick Perry is the chupacabra of the body politic.

Posted by: Jeb! at June 16, 2015 07:42 PM (QfspF)

I've vote for a chupacabra over Jeb! any day...

Posted by: Hatacabra at June 16, 2015 07:49 PM (7YlUk)

216 My campaign will be yuge.

First off, I will trump Hillary! and Jeb! by using *two* exclamation points after my name.

Posted by: Trump!! at June 16, 2015 07:49 PM (2Tovy)

217 Jane - just got back from our garden. 76 and sunny. And a mud pit.

Posted by: bergerbilder at June 16, 2015 07:50 PM (+jijM)

218 And no body told me Yeats was a nazi. shit! I'm learning all sorts of things today.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 16, 2015 07:51 PM (iQIUe)

219 You gotta read Kevin Williamson's latest on Donald Trump

Posted by: Dave S. at June 16, 2015 07:51 PM (mhkbv)

220 Wait, you mean a member of a politically powerful family somehow managed to beat the odds and Candyland jump over qualified people to move up the ladder?

Why, he must be simply exceptional.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 16, 2015 07:46 PM (kdS6q)

Oh, yes, of course he's had all the advantages. No one even ran against him the GOP primary, which is the real election in TX, until some nice geezer volunteered to be the sacrificial lamb.

What I mean is that he's not a druggie like sis, he was in the Navy, and everyone I've talked to who knows him thinks very well of him as a person. But yeah, he definitely started out 3/4 up the ladder politically.

Posted by: stace at June 16, 2015 07:52 PM (CoX6k)

221 Jeb! He's truly outrageous.

Posted by: Daisy at June 16, 2015 07:53 PM (bYST5)

222 218 And no body told me Yeats was a nazi. shit! I'm learning all sorts of things today.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 16, 2015 07:51 PM (iQIUe)

--He was Irish. To steal Churchill's metaphor, if the English went to war with Hell, the Irish would reach out to Satan. Ireland was neutral during WWII.

Posted by: logprof at June 16, 2015 07:53 PM (15/oZ)

223 218 And no body told me Yeats was a nazi. shit! I'm learning all sorts of things today.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 16, 2015 07:51 PM (iQIUe)

I think that was Ezra Pound.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 16, 2015 07:53 PM (oFCZn)

224 217>> Just got back from my afternoon/evening stroll; 78 degrees and 54% humidity. And sunny. Bwahahahahahahaha!

And here comes the rain.... :-/

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 16, 2015 07:54 PM (iUCQL)

225 new thread

Posted by: just saying at June 16, 2015 07:54 PM (wkuqO)

226 Posted by: logprof at June 16, 2015 07:16 PM (15/oZ)

Yes. Here's a link

http://tinyurl.com/p5az43t

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 16, 2015 07:54 PM (xetep)

227 ...he promised the U.S. economy would grow 4 percent per year if he is elected, creating 19 million jobs - "growth," he said, "that lifts up the middle class."

And nothing lifts the middle class better than amnestying 10-20 million illegal aliens for whom those legally present must subsidize without losing their own jobs or with lesser wages.

Yes, Jeb! is a real, honest-to-goodness economic genius. Always thinking about the Middle Class, too. What a saint.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 16, 2015 07:54 PM (1CroS)

228 Ben Had,
Is Levin on an hour delay where you are too?

Posted by: Carol at June 16, 2015 07:55 PM (sj3Ax)

229 Heb!

Posted by: Manuel Labor at June 16, 2015 07:57 PM (wAQA5)

230 See número uno.

Posted by: Golfman at June 16, 2015 07:57 PM (9HX7k)

231
I think that was Ezra Pound.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 16, 2015 07:53 PM (oFCZn)

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Him, too!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 16, 2015 07:57 PM (iQIUe)

232 124
Since this thread is tangentially about Rick Perry, I'd like to let the
'ettes know that he has snagged the absolutely scrummy Brad Thor's
endorsement.

The best-looking candidate has the handsomest conservative's endorsement.

Posted by: Y-not at June 16, 2015 07:22 PM (RWGcK)
And being flanked by Navy SEALs also makes for an impressive picture. I saw a pic of Rick Perry, Morgan and Marcus Lutrell, on their Harleys the other day... *swoon*. It was at Joni Ernst's "Ride and Roast" event in IA.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 16, 2015 07:57 PM (xetep)

233 Yeats was more of a Mussolini man.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 16, 2015 07:58 PM (rwI+c)

234 Interestingly, I just got an email from ole Jeb! asking me to contribute in order to be a "Founding Member," and if he "could count on me."

My reply:

No, you can not rely me, you RINO squish. GFY and GF the rest of the GOPe.

FOAD.

I tried to be as soft and gentle as I possibly could.

Posted by: SGT Al Powell, LAPD at June 16, 2015 07:58 PM (nL0sw)

235 Don't shut up, Peaches. Keep banging the Perry drum. Loudly.
He's my man crush - there . I said it.

And it's great to see you around!

(It's me, the old "shredded chi" - I can link you the Tracy Chapman / Buddy Guy "ain't no sunshine" for proof!)

Posted by: chi's sandwIch at June 16, 2015 07:58 PM (KmwZx)

236 I still can't wrap my head around the the fact that we have a better than 50% chance at having a Bush/Clinton Presidential Election.

I need some brown liquor stat!!!

Posted by: Kreplach at June 16, 2015 07:59 PM (AtR8s)

237 Off Twinkie-loving cop sock.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 16, 2015 07:59 PM (nL0sw)

238 I was looking up friendly fire incidents, found one about the Irish Nationist Brigade in Spain led by this goof:

https://goo.gl/9eH1J

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 16, 2015 07:59 PM (iQIUe)

239 I don't like Jeb!'s handshake.

Posted by: H. Hill at June 16, 2015 08:01 PM (15/oZ)

240 And Perry isn't a virgin when it comes to scurious job numbers.

What about all those cheap immigrants?

In-state tuition FTW!!!!Elebenty!!!1!1!!

Immigration is a deal breaker for me.

And no not a Trump fan. He claims he'll put up a wall after gaining millions from illegal labor.

Posted by: Golfman at June 16, 2015 08:01 PM (9HX7k)

241 I turned off Faux News in 2011 when Rove, etc all started Perry bashing, before Perry goofed up on his own in debates.
Posted by: Carol at June 16, 2015 07:41 PM (sj3Ax)

I did too, Carol. They're going to act the same way in this election too, no doubt.

Posted by: stace at June 16, 2015 08:17 PM (CoX6k)

242 Posted by: Golfman at June 16, 2015 08:01 PM (9HX7k)

For years, 1/3 of all the well-paying jobs in the US have been created in TX. TX only has 8% of the population.

Posted by: stace at June 16, 2015 08:19 PM (CoX6k)

243
It's time to make the tacos!

Posted by: Columba Bush at June 16, 2015 08:21 PM (P330y)

244 Who is Jeb! planning to have as a running mate? Thad Cochran or Trent Lott?

Posted by: Daybrother at June 16, 2015 08:59 PM (BxjJw)

245 Our vey! That bastard Bush is a schmuck....we in Century Village voted for Lawton who's dead now.

Posted by: Old Jewish Guy named Eisen at June 16, 2015 09:11 PM (Tv2Kx)

246 As someone who's actually earned a No-Prize (from Mark Gruenwald no less), please don't cheapen my and others' meritorious service to Marvel continuity by including Matthew Yglesius amongst our ranks. On the off-chance he actually does have one, it was likely from Ralph Macchio - the equivalent of owning a Harley during the Japanese years.

Posted by: alleninhawaii at June 16, 2015 09:32 PM (59tDX)

247 I prefer "jeb" as he does not deserve a capital letter. Even better would be "jeb" with Hispanic question marks before and after name.. Ugh.

!also! morons and 'ettes, I have a new neighbor that won't leave me along. I made the fatal mistake of going to her tea or something a month ago. Now she texts and invites me to church, when I don't want to go to her church nor join her in her volunteer stuff, etc. Tonight I got a text that she broke her purse, is going to Disneyland for a few days, and could she possibly borrow a "fanny pack?" Ok. OK! First off, my flying monkeys, I have never had, nor will I, had a fanny pack (nothing against fanny packs, being transgendered or pretending to be another race!). Second of all, unless they are no longer made, why couldn't she just go buy one? My husband thinks she is nuts, which is doing a lot for my nerves as I imagine a serial killer across the street. Husband says I "attract" crazy people like a magnet (and I do admit to, oh, three women friends, two who are certifiable but former friends). I have, other than the tea (and other people were there), tried to ignore her, wave now and then, and, halp! I do not like being a snob but cannot deal with her. She also talks weird, like has pauses and up and down weird voice on phone messages. Her husband seems ok. She, last week, has organized "ice cream socials" for neighborhood (first was Sunday and we did not go). She is also having some type of Bible school in a week IN HER FRONT YARD. I do intend to spy on that. And I am glad she wants to help kids, etc, but count me out. Halp. I don't want to hurt her feelings but do not want to be her BFF with coffee klatches or however you spell it. We consider her Mrs. Kravitch from Bewitched right now and husband is considering replacing front doors asap that have glass. eeeeeek! I gave up a black snake for this????

I have a BRF right now (beeotcy resting face like mooch). xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,supermodel,Redneck Queen, Last of Romanovs' at June 16, 2015 10:03 PM (FCPu0)

248 Someone mentioned Crist. I know the overblown Oompa-Loompa isn't running, but this is just too much to resist doing. I knew there was a song in there somewhere.

Hey, Mr Tangerine Man
Pander just to me
I'm undecided, and I don't know
just where my vote is going to

Hey, Mr Tangerine Man
Give a speech or two
and maybe come the morning
I'll pull the lever for you

Posted by: Bill H at June 16, 2015 10:05 PM (Baojj)

249 There's really no such thing as a bubble, because there can never be a "correct" price, therefore prices can never be "too high" or "too low." All we can really say about a "bubble" is that expectations, demand, or supply exhibited a sharp delta that impacted prices.

Note that many large areas, both globally and in the U.S., had no "housing bubble" at all.

Oh and Jeb Bush? Does anyone take that possibility seriously?

Posted by: TallDave at June 16, 2015 10:22 PM (74ZYB)

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