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Gallup: American Support for Liberal Social Positions at Historic Highs; "Social Liberals" Equal "Social Conservatives" For First Time in Poll's History
This only goes back to 1999, but this is the first time that social liberals and social conservatives are at parity, per Gallup's polling. The two groups are now both at 31%.
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Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at May 27, 2015 02:50 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: zombie at May 27, 2015 02:50 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at May 27, 2015 02:50 PM (kff5f)
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/s
Posted by: zombie at May 27, 2015 02:50 PM (jBuUi)
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Don't see handbaby on the list.
Posted by: Achmed Powers international imam of mystery at May 27, 2015 02:51 PM (W5DcG)
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I hate polls.
Posted by: A. Hitler at May 27, 2015 02:52 PM (RQFyv)
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Corgis called.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2015 02:52 PM (IlQaj)
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*sigh*
Vanity, vanity. All is vanity.
I wish I didn't agree with Ace, here, but I do. The culture is getting more and more depraved.
I wish I felt like there was something I could do about that.
Vanity, vanity. All is vanity.
I wish I didn't agree with Ace, here, but I do. The culture is getting more and more depraved.
I wish I felt like there was something I could do about that.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at May 27, 2015 02:52 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 27, 2015 02:52 PM (oVJmc)
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Volvo has now joined the ranks of auto makers run by morons. The smart self-driving car has pedestrian-avoidance braking as an option package?!? So much for getting that model sold in the USA. It is guaranteed tort-bait.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 02:52 PM (/mTq0)
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Thank God, finally some fresh nudes in here. The others were needing to wash up.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 27, 2015 02:53 PM (/Ho8c)
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My father would never act inappropriately with his pole.
Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at May 27, 2015 02:53 PM (7Kbxu)
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Supporting dr assistance in suicide is crazy. As a handicapped person I never want to look at my dr and wonder if he or she think it's better to kill people like me.
Posted by: gushie hates posting from her phon at May 27, 2015 02:53 PM (+721Q)
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I do think this represents an actual change.
As do I. A young person who was not familiar with the word "libertarian" cut me off as I was trying to explain it and asked "are you for gay marriage?"
I think that's a proxy among young people for "are you a good person?"
The fight to win, the fight that matters, is to restrain Leviathan and get government back in its place and out of the way on economic matters.
I do think this represents an actual change.
As do I. A young person who was not familiar with the word "libertarian" cut me off as I was trying to explain it and asked "are you for gay marriage?"
I think that's a proxy among young people for "are you a good person?"
The fight to win, the fight that matters, is to restrain Leviathan and get government back in its place and out of the way on economic matters.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2015 02:53 PM (JtwS4)
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A few points:
1) Stem cell research is up, given that's it's produced jack shit (well, some failed trials). Hell even old stalwarts like the Michael J Fox organization gave up on it.
So where the fuck is that from?
2) Animal research is way the fuck down. I'll file this as "useful" for my dissertation and write even faster.
1) Stem cell research is up, given that's it's produced jack shit (well, some failed trials). Hell even old stalwarts like the Michael J Fox organization gave up on it.
So where the fuck is that from?
2) Animal research is way the fuck down. I'll file this as "useful" for my dissertation and write even faster.
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 02:53 PM (U8W/7)
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The fact is, without continuous effort and moral leadership, every evil and corruption will eventually become more acceptable and even mainstreamed in a culture. That's the state of fallen man, we spiral evil on top of evil until halted by an outside force.
What were once vices are now normal. Or compulsory, even.
What were once vices are now normal. Or compulsory, even.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 02:53 PM (39g3+)
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Yeah? Well, that's like...just your opinion, man.
Posted by: fly gal at May 27, 2015 02:53 PM (8TdcF)
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Yeah, don't know what to make of this. I guess it seems obvious.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 27, 2015 02:53 PM (LA7Cm)
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Why, it's almost as if there is a systematic refuting of every moral underpinning of our society.
Now, I wonder what could be causing that?
And
I wonder who would benefit from that.
Now, I wonder what could be causing that?
And
I wonder who would benefit from that.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 27, 2015 02:53 PM (VPLuQ)
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To paraphrase Dr. Johnson, values are not formulated by reason but rather caught by contagion. The current State Media and the Education Octopus are the greatest propaganda organs ever built. It's left liberalism 24X7.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 27, 2015 02:54 PM (evdj2)
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I think it depends a lot on what the big issue of the day is. It's clearly gay marriage and it's been successfully framed as an issue regarding validation of gays as humans rather than as a marriage issue.
I think a lot of the other issues benefit from that as a leading issue.
I think a lot of the other issues benefit from that as a leading issue.
Posted by: AmishDude at May 27, 2015 02:54 PM (b4b5c)
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A poll revealing that people are increasingly in favor off playing with other peoples privates. Shocking!
Who down with OPP? Most people.
Who down with OPP? Most people.
Posted by: wooga at May 27, 2015 02:54 PM (t+1Vb)
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It is guaranteed tort-bait.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 02:52 PM
Unless Congress puts it off limits (try the veal!), the trial lawyers will descend whether it's optional or mandatory.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 02:52 PM
Unless Congress puts it off limits (try the veal!), the trial lawyers will descend whether it's optional or mandatory.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 27, 2015 02:54 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: Bigby's Work Gloves at May 27, 2015 02:54 PM (Cq0oW)
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I am calling Bull Shit early. Looks like an MSNBC poll.
This is a robo poll to get hits. Really second class.
This is a robo poll to get hits. Really second class.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 27, 2015 02:55 PM (0FSuD)
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Yeah ...... or it could just be that Gallup is making things up again.
Wait for the "Scientific Consensus!" language to come up again.
Wait for the "Scientific Consensus!" language to come up again.
Posted by: gastorgrab at May 27, 2015 02:55 PM (u6OFe)
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I do think this represents an actual change. A permanent one? Who knows. What's permanent in the world?
Ace, Ace, Ace, Ace.
What has NOY changed is the way that Gallup asks the questions.
What HAS changed is the nature of the "non-respondents."
Social conservatives now feel like the "others," and are (rightfully) paranoid about expressing their true opinions to a stranger -- especially some college student on the phone or at their door with an electronic pad.
Conservatives now clam up and refuse to participate.
Much more so than in the past.
The poll reflects the changing opinons of that subset of people willing to express their opinions publicly.
That subset is getting smaller and more selective and skewing left.
The other subset -- paranoid "slam the door in everyone's face" types -- is skewing conservative.
Ace, Ace, Ace, Ace.
What has NOY changed is the way that Gallup asks the questions.
What HAS changed is the nature of the "non-respondents."
Social conservatives now feel like the "others," and are (rightfully) paranoid about expressing their true opinions to a stranger -- especially some college student on the phone or at their door with an electronic pad.
Conservatives now clam up and refuse to participate.
Much more so than in the past.
The poll reflects the changing opinons of that subset of people willing to express their opinions publicly.
That subset is getting smaller and more selective and skewing left.
The other subset -- paranoid "slam the door in everyone's face" types -- is skewing conservative.
Posted by: zombie at May 27, 2015 02:55 PM (jBuUi)
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This will all turn around as soon as the bill comes in and payment collection is started. Everyone is for an open bar and buffet until they find out they have to pay a way overpriced charge for the room.
Posted by: wait for the surprise at May 27, 2015 02:55 PM (PGh+Q)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 27, 2015 02:55 PM (n6Nt0)
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I was thinking about where muslims would fall and I would expect answers of 0% on most of them. And yet liberals love muslims and hate Christians.
I was thinking about where muslims would fall and I would expect answers of 0% on most of them. And yet liberals love muslims and hate Christians.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 27, 2015 02:56 PM (ODxAs)
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The culture is getting more and more depraved.
I wish I felt like there was something I could do about that.
Not much, other than taking a deer rifle and climbing a clock tower......
I wish I felt like there was something I could do about that.
Not much, other than taking a deer rifle and climbing a clock tower......
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 02:56 PM (g+n/q)
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I don't think it's bad for a candidate to *be* a social conservative; it's just risky to make it central to the campaign. That's why the media constantly try to "out" so-cons. If a candidate gets baited Akin Style, he should change the subject. Dems do it all the time.
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 02:56 PM (RQFyv)
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Conservatives now clam up and refuse to participate.
Much more so than in the past.
Is there data for this statement?
Conservatives now clam up and refuse to participate.
Much more so than in the past.
Is there data for this statement?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2015 02:56 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Ima Dinnah Jacket at May 27, 2015 02:56 PM (RJMhd)
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You may have a point there, zombie, insofar as I don't think I would be willing to participate in such a poll, and yet my responses would be very socially conservative if I did.
But I wouldn't because what's the point?
But I wouldn't because what's the point?
Posted by: Kensington at May 27, 2015 02:56 PM (7Kbxu)
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The reason Embryonic Stem Cell Research is up is that everyone stopped fighting against it, and every breath it is mentioned in by anyone in the media or popular entertainment, its called "the hope of curing diseases such as..." and "the potential source of cures for..."
That's all anyone really knows about it. That unborn babies are blended up to get the parts, well that's a minor bug. The fact that its only produced one known workable remedy - and one that could be easily produced without using embryos; meh, whatever. Details.
That's all anyone really knows about it. That unborn babies are blended up to get the parts, well that's a minor bug. The fact that its only produced one known workable remedy - and one that could be easily produced without using embryos; meh, whatever. Details.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 02:57 PM (39g3+)
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The other subset -- paranoid "slam the door in everyone's face" types -- is skewing conservative.>>>
It's not paranoid if they are really trying to kill you.
It's not paranoid if they are really trying to kill you.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 27, 2015 02:57 PM (wrS2o)
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Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2015 02:53 PM (JtwS4)
Yes, my generation (especially the younger ones) have been raised with the idea that gay marriage is the civil rights battle of our time, and that anyone against gay marriage is essentially a toothless uneducated hick who probably goes to KKK rallies and burns crosses in black peoples yards.
Yes, my generation (especially the younger ones) have been raised with the idea that gay marriage is the civil rights battle of our time, and that anyone against gay marriage is essentially a toothless uneducated hick who probably goes to KKK rallies and burns crosses in black peoples yards.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 02:57 PM (AkOaV)
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was gonna start posting spandau ballet lyrics on that last thread
Posted by: Bigby's Work Gloves at May 27, 2015 02:54 PM (Cq0oW)
That would have been the most dastardly act on this site since the last dastardly act!
Posted by: Bigby's Work Gloves at May 27, 2015 02:54 PM (Cq0oW)
That would have been the most dastardly act on this site since the last dastardly act!
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Salutes All Who Have Protected Our American Right To Gripe! at May 27, 2015 02:57 PM (hLRSq)
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The fact that its only produced one known workable remedy
Is this new? I thought they were still batting .000
Is this new? I thought they were still batting .000
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 27, 2015 02:58 PM (evdj2)
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A new party should ignore social issues.
Posted by: dude guy at May 27, 2015 02:58 PM (q177U)
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Picture of Lynch in NY Slime. She's a fcuking midget, a FAT midget.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 27, 2015 02:58 PM (0FSuD)
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Supporting dr assistance in suicide is crazy. As a handicapped person I never want to look at my dr and wonder if he or she think it's better to kill people like me.
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Talk to smokers some time
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Talk to smokers some time
Posted by: Bigby's Work Gloves at May 27, 2015 02:58 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 02:58 PM (lIU4e)
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This would not be an electoral problem if the GOP could shift morality issues back down to the states.
But Tardisil! will always trump federalism.
But Tardisil! will always trump federalism.
Posted by: wooga at May 27, 2015 02:58 PM (t+1Vb)
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This poll is a 15-Year Report Card for the Teacher's Unions and the Media, and they give themselves an A+. As they should.
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 27, 2015 02:59 PM (2cS/G)
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Well if society really favored marriage redefinition, then why does it not bother to vote that way (most of the time)?
And no, Bander, marriage redefinition is not about marriage redefinition, it's about the Nth (and very ominous) abuse of the system, using the judiciary to impose a titantic cultural change without any constitutional, legal, or moral authority to do so. (this has nothing to do with the underlying "merits")
But collapse and surrender in the face of ignorant, bigoted, naive idiocy like that of the young person who cut you off may be rational, not arguing that. Just keeping score on the bigger, even darker things implied by your anecdote.
And no, Bander, marriage redefinition is not about marriage redefinition, it's about the Nth (and very ominous) abuse of the system, using the judiciary to impose a titantic cultural change without any constitutional, legal, or moral authority to do so. (this has nothing to do with the underlying "merits")
But collapse and surrender in the face of ignorant, bigoted, naive idiocy like that of the young person who cut you off may be rational, not arguing that. Just keeping score on the bigger, even darker things implied by your anecdote.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 27, 2015 02:59 PM (QDnY+)
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Social conservatives now feel like the "others," and are (rightfully) paranoid about expressing their true opinions to a stranger -- especially some college student on the phone or at their door with an electronic pad.
Conservatives now clam up and refuse to participate.
That feels true, but I wonder how tangibly actual it is? Certainly anyone who doubts the common line on moral issues feels like they're living in a madhouse and tends to keep their mouths shut, but are pollsters getting more no-responses from these people?
Its long been known that polls tend to lean far more toward what people think they ought to say or believe they had better say to stay out of trouble than what they really think. But in the end, is that really all that different from reality? Either way the effect is the same: culture shifts in one direction.
Conservatives now clam up and refuse to participate.
That feels true, but I wonder how tangibly actual it is? Certainly anyone who doubts the common line on moral issues feels like they're living in a madhouse and tends to keep their mouths shut, but are pollsters getting more no-responses from these people?
Its long been known that polls tend to lean far more toward what people think they ought to say or believe they had better say to stay out of trouble than what they really think. But in the end, is that really all that different from reality? Either way the effect is the same: culture shifts in one direction.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 02:59 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 27, 2015 02:59 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: wooga at May 27, 2015 03:00 PM (t+1Vb)
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Once again those fucking prudes at Gallup failed to ask about autofellatio.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at May 27, 2015 03:00 PM (1RNgT)
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Lessee why the numbers might have gone up. (Oddly enough wearing fur and leather went up by 1%. Sorry PETA! 
)
Gay/lesbians up? Thanks to MSM ghey-love on TV shows and the ability of hot lez porn, yes.
Babies outside of marriage? That ceased to be an outrage in 1997. Ditto for fornication, shacking up, and divorce.
Cloning is now good? *Stares hard at George Lucas.*
Polygamy is up due to Muzzies and harem anime.
Suicide is up thanks to Obummer presidency and special snowflakes who can't stand the heat.
Married folks having an affair went up by 1%, that must be the Friends of Bill Club.
) Gay/lesbians up? Thanks to MSM ghey-love on TV shows and the ability of hot lez porn, yes.
Babies outside of marriage? That ceased to be an outrage in 1997. Ditto for fornication, shacking up, and divorce.
Cloning is now good? *Stares hard at George Lucas.*
Polygamy is up due to Muzzies and harem anime.
Suicide is up thanks to Obummer presidency and special snowflakes who can't stand the heat.
Married folks having an affair went up by 1%, that must be the Friends of Bill Club.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 03:00 PM (/mTq0)
Posted by: Bigby's Work Gloves at May 27, 2015 03:00 PM (Cq0oW)
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"What's permanent in the world?"
Well, according to the "wrong side of history" people, any idea they're in favor of.
Well, according to the "wrong side of history" people, any idea they're in favor of.
Posted by: David at May 27, 2015 03:00 PM (5mPls)
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9 I think it's simply a measurement of the effectiveness of Propaganda Press.
This^. Gay this, gay that, has been sold 24/7 to the peeps for the last 10 years. A huge segment of the peeps accepts EVERYTHING they are spoon fed. No critical faculties. To look at our media, the SSA in 2015 is the Gay-est nation in the history of the universe.
If the media and re-education elites started selling liberty and hostility to Leviathan with the same enthusiasm they have sold Gay Everything, Polls 10 years down the line would reflect that, and we'd be in good position to sell an Art V Convention.
This^. Gay this, gay that, has been sold 24/7 to the peeps for the last 10 years. A huge segment of the peeps accepts EVERYTHING they are spoon fed. No critical faculties. To look at our media, the SSA in 2015 is the Gay-est nation in the history of the universe.
If the media and re-education elites started selling liberty and hostility to Leviathan with the same enthusiasm they have sold Gay Everything, Polls 10 years down the line would reflect that, and we'd be in good position to sell an Art V Convention.
Posted by: bystander at May 27, 2015 03:00 PM (hKyl0)
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So support for human cloning has more than doubled.
Once again proving Iowahawk's credentials as a futurist. And clearly indicating where our dynastic political class are ultimately headed:
"Zweemdorf Bush-Clinton-Bush-Mezvinsky announces 2436 presidential run against Clone Sample 17A.32c Kennedy-Obama-Weiner"
Once again proving Iowahawk's credentials as a futurist. And clearly indicating where our dynastic political class are ultimately headed:
"Zweemdorf Bush-Clinton-Bush-Mezvinsky announces 2436 presidential run against Clone Sample 17A.32c Kennedy-Obama-Weiner"
Posted by: torquewrench at May 27, 2015 03:00 PM (noWW6)
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I don't see "sex with animals" as one of the options, so, I guess that's a plus.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 27, 2015 03:00 PM (LA7Cm)
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Is there data for this statement?
Posted by: Bandersnatch
Yes.
There was a great deal of analysis of why the polls all got the last four major elections worldwide completely wrong:
Likud's "unexpected" victory in Israel.
The huge under-estimate o the extent of the 2014 GOP victory in the US.
The total shock-surprise at the Conservatives winning in the UK.
And one other I forgot already.
In each case, the polls undercounted conservative opinion by between 7% and 10%.
The conclusion by serious analysts was that conservative simply stopped responding to opinion polls, due to fear of being "outed" or doxxed or whatever.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
Yes.
There was a great deal of analysis of why the polls all got the last four major elections worldwide completely wrong:
Likud's "unexpected" victory in Israel.
The huge under-estimate o the extent of the 2014 GOP victory in the US.
The total shock-surprise at the Conservatives winning in the UK.
And one other I forgot already.
In each case, the polls undercounted conservative opinion by between 7% and 10%.
The conclusion by serious analysts was that conservative simply stopped responding to opinion polls, due to fear of being "outed" or doxxed or whatever.
Posted by: zombie at May 27, 2015 03:00 PM (jBuUi)
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Posted by: zombie at May 27, 2015 02:55 PM (jBuUi)
And even then, where do they rank "I don't give a shit."
I'm not a huge fan of the current state of sexual depravity in this country (indeed I think the whole 'sex as solely recreation" shit going on in college is having lasting negative effects.)
But then I don't spend a lot of time going "tut-tut" either. I've got shit to do, namely raising a kid who's better behaved than their sorry ass.
That and I believe that most people can turn their life around.
It is scary though, hell just now I was mentioning that my wife's doc told her not to worry about the HPV vaccine because we're a monogamous couple with 0 previous sex partners.
And my class responded with "yeah but you're rare."
And even then, where do they rank "I don't give a shit."
I'm not a huge fan of the current state of sexual depravity in this country (indeed I think the whole 'sex as solely recreation" shit going on in college is having lasting negative effects.)
But then I don't spend a lot of time going "tut-tut" either. I've got shit to do, namely raising a kid who's better behaved than their sorry ass.
That and I believe that most people can turn their life around.
It is scary though, hell just now I was mentioning that my wife's doc told her not to worry about the HPV vaccine because we're a monogamous couple with 0 previous sex partners.
And my class responded with "yeah but you're rare."
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 03:00 PM (U8W/7)
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But collapse and surrender in the face of ignorant, bigoted, naive idiocy like that of the young person who cut you off may be rational, not arguing that. Just keeping score on the bigger, even darker things implied by your anecdote.
Not collapse and surrender in that anecdote, I do supportgay marriage.
So that wasn't a hurdle and I got to go on about the limited government stuff.
But collapse and surrender in the face of ignorant, bigoted, naive idiocy like that of the young person who cut you off may be rational, not arguing that. Just keeping score on the bigger, even darker things implied by your anecdote.
Not collapse and surrender in that anecdote, I do supportgay marriage.
So that wasn't a hurdle and I got to go on about the limited government stuff.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2015 03:01 PM (JtwS4)
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I have to side with Ace's rational on this. Don't think we had a significant number of non respondant conservatives going back that many years.
Hell just last cycle Gallup was considered legitimate by ultra tuned in media junkie Conservatives, more average Conservatives would not be suspicious of Gallup that many years back.
Hell just last cycle Gallup was considered legitimate by ultra tuned in media junkie Conservatives, more average Conservatives would not be suspicious of Gallup that many years back.
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 03:01 PM (RJMhd)
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Facebook populism.
Posted by: Sphynx at May 27, 2015 03:01 PM (OZmbA)
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So you're saying I have a chance?
Posted by: Bernie Sanders 2016 at May 27, 2015 03:01 PM (dkfG0)
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The smart self-driving car has pedestrian-avoidance braking as an option package?!? So much for getting that model sold in the USA. It is guaranteed tort-bait.
As we own several Volvos, I read the article with interest.
Seems that operator error was the major contributor to the problem
As we own several Volvos, I read the article with interest.
Seems that operator error was the major contributor to the problem
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 27, 2015 03:01 PM (VPLuQ)
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Is this new? I thought they were still batting .000
It was a few years back, something to do with deafness. But it was later shown that they could do it with non-embryonic stem cells anyway.
Well if society really favored marriage redefinition, then why does it not bother to vote that way (most of the time)?
How long has it been since a major vote on the topic? 4 years? That's ages in this culture, with how fast the shift as been.
It was a few years back, something to do with deafness. But it was later shown that they could do it with non-embryonic stem cells anyway.
Well if society really favored marriage redefinition, then why does it not bother to vote that way (most of the time)?
How long has it been since a major vote on the topic? 4 years? That's ages in this culture, with how fast the shift as been.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 03:01 PM (39g3+)
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Supporting dr assistance in suicide is crazy. As a handicapped person I never want to look at my dr and wonder if he or she think it's better to kill people like me.
Posted by: gushie hates posting from her phon at May 27, 2015 02:53 PM (+721Q)
Not so fast...
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/207364/#respond
Posted by: gushie hates posting from her phon at May 27, 2015 02:53 PM (+721Q)
Not so fast...
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/207364/#respond
Posted by: RushBabe at May 27, 2015 03:01 PM (zdw2Z)
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I call Not Permanent ...
... simply because, once Millennials are in charge, everything is going to go into the shitter so quickly that the very art of polling will disappear.
Millennial Polling will be something like five starving people huddling around a Scrap Wood Fire cooking a squirrel, asking each other if they'd like to use Grass or Dandelions for seasoning.
... simply because, once Millennials are in charge, everything is going to go into the shitter so quickly that the very art of polling will disappear.
Millennial Polling will be something like five starving people huddling around a Scrap Wood Fire cooking a squirrel, asking each other if they'd like to use Grass or Dandelions for seasoning.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 27, 2015 03:02 PM (8nAzo)
Posted by: the chicken at May 27, 2015 03:02 PM (S+el1)
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It is a change based on public school indoctrination by one-viewpoint union teachers incapable of anything but repeating their leftist catechisms.
Without dismantling the educational monopoly or the entertainment monopoly or the journalism monopoly by the hard Anti-Liberty Left, we are doomed to become the Republic Of Shit And Stupidity.
Without dismantling the educational monopoly or the entertainment monopoly or the journalism monopoly by the hard Anti-Liberty Left, we are doomed to become the Republic Of Shit And Stupidity.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at May 27, 2015 03:02 PM (FCuM7)
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Is there data for this statement?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2015 02:56 PM (JtwS4)
I refuse to talk to pollsters on the phone, myself. Haven't been approached at the door.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2015 02:56 PM (JtwS4)
I refuse to talk to pollsters on the phone, myself. Haven't been approached at the door.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2015 03:02 PM (tQwIz)
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Doctor 'assisted' suicide will become a Safe Harbor as government becomes more involved in medicine and costs continue to rise.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 27, 2015 03:03 PM (oVJmc)
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In fairness, with gheys being one third of the population, how could it be otherwise?
Posted by: Grump928(c) tries on his low info hat at May 27, 2015 03:03 PM (evdj2)
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I don't see "sex with animals" as one of the options, so, I guess that's a plus.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill
Says you.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill
Says you.
Posted by: Achmed the Goatfcuker at May 27, 2015 03:03 PM (/Ho8c)
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Who cares? They have teh gay marriage and have popping babies for some time. How does this help teh Dems? At some point they may like to make some money and drive a nice car and maybe marry their baby's momma.
How are the dems gonna motivate them? Will George Zimmerman shoot a gay married burglar and get the hipsters out to vote?
How are the dems gonna motivate them? Will George Zimmerman shoot a gay married burglar and get the hipsters out to vote?
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 27, 2015 03:03 PM (oDCMR)
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Coincidentally or not, I responded to a Gallup telephone poll just yesterday.
Questions asked by a real person even.
I believe the gist of that poll's questions were to determine people's outlook on the economic future.
Did not ask if I was a voter or what I thought of Barky.
Questions asked by a real person even.
I believe the gist of that poll's questions were to determine people's outlook on the economic future.
Did not ask if I was a voter or what I thought of Barky.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at May 27, 2015 03:03 PM (X+nFp)
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Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 02:57 PM (39g3+)
All the FDA trials were halted IIRC.
Cancer. Loads and loads of cancer. Reprogramming cells that want to be totipotent is hard.
All the FDA trials were halted IIRC.
Cancer. Loads and loads of cancer. Reprogramming cells that want to be totipotent is hard.
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 03:03 PM (U8W/7)
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Gallop is a traditional liberal polling outfit for the Democrats so I don't believe a bit of this crap.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 27, 2015 03:03 PM (GpgJl)
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MOE is +/-4% and they surveyed 1,024 people. They state that includes all 50 states and DC, but not what that distribution really was. Gallup claims a "minimum regional representation," but what that distribution is, is not stated.
IOW, except for the first five, I'm not sure there's really much of a notable trend.
IOW, except for the first five, I'm not sure there's really much of a notable trend.
Posted by: Country Singer at May 27, 2015 03:03 PM (8hctH)
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 03:03 PM (RJMhd)
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You just have to laugh cynically at these polls of an intellectually incoherent and philosophically unmoored American public.
Not least the ones which show simultaneous strong disapproval of suicide and strong approval of doctor-assisted suicide.
"I think I'm going to kill myself."
"NO! WAIT! STOP! DON'T DO IT! ... You need a _doctor_ for that."
Not least the ones which show simultaneous strong disapproval of suicide and strong approval of doctor-assisted suicide.
"I think I'm going to kill myself."
"NO! WAIT! STOP! DON'T DO IT! ... You need a _doctor_ for that."
Posted by: torquewrench at May 27, 2015 03:04 PM (noWW6)
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I don't see "sex with animals" as one of the options, so, I guess that's a plus.
No doubt disapproval of that and pedophilia have dropped as well. Because of the "its not my business, whatever gets you off, its your body, who is it hurting?" etc.
All those arguments used for homosexual marriage and behavior being mainstreamed work far beyond the scope they are intended. As Scalia warned almost 20 years ago now... you're opening up a can of worms you're too stupid to understand.
No doubt disapproval of that and pedophilia have dropped as well. Because of the "its not my business, whatever gets you off, its your body, who is it hurting?" etc.
All those arguments used for homosexual marriage and behavior being mainstreamed work far beyond the scope they are intended. As Scalia warned almost 20 years ago now... you're opening up a can of worms you're too stupid to understand.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 03:04 PM (39g3+)
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71 Doctor 'assisted' suicide will become a Safe Harbor as government becomes more involved in medicine and costs continue to rise.
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We might have to change the expression to VA denial of care or red pill syndrome.
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We might have to change the expression to VA denial of care or red pill syndrome.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 27, 2015 03:04 PM (oDCMR)
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63 So you're saying I have a chance?
Posted by: Bernie Sanders 2016 at May 27, 2015 03:01 PM (dkfG0)
I missed the question about 90% tax rate.
Posted by: Bernie Sanders 2016 at May 27, 2015 03:01 PM (dkfG0)
I missed the question about 90% tax rate.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 27, 2015 03:04 PM (n6Nt0)
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I believe the gist of that poll's questions were to determine people's outlook on the economic future.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at May 27, 2015 03:03 PM (X+nFp)
Was your response, "DOOM!"?
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at May 27, 2015 03:03 PM (X+nFp)
Was your response, "DOOM!"?
Posted by: Country Singer at May 27, 2015 03:04 PM (8hctH)
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The smart self-driving car has pedestrian-avoidance braking as an option
package?!? So much for getting that model sold in the USA. It is
guaranteed tort-bait.
As we own several Volvos, I read the article with interest.
Seems that operator error was the major contributor to the problem
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There is something about operator error with a self-driving car that hits a new level of Idiocracy.
The smart self-driving car has pedestrian-avoidance braking as an option
package?!? So much for getting that model sold in the USA. It is
guaranteed tort-bait.
As we own several Volvos, I read the article with interest.
Seems that operator error was the major contributor to the problem
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There is something about operator error with a self-driving car that hits a new level of Idiocracy.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 03:05 PM (/mTq0)
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>>"NO! WAIT! STOP! DON'T DO IT! ... You need a _doctor_ for that."
Posted by: torquewrench<<
If you like your doctor death you can keep your doctor death.
Posted by: torquewrench<<
If you like your doctor death you can keep your doctor death.
Posted by: Sphynx at May 27, 2015 03:05 PM (OZmbA)
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49 But Tardisil! will always trump federalism.
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 27, 2015 02:59 PM (evdj2)
It was kind of a big deal in 2011. Rick Perry was running an explicitly federalist campaign, and was savaged by most of the GOP field for it. Michelle Bachmann, in particular, used the fact that the STATE of Texas had opted for a Gardisil vaccination program as a horrible moral abomination that should disqualify Perry. Because just like the left, Bachmann/Huckabee/Santorum believe all issues of morality must be made at the federal level.
And then Perry shit himself.
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 27, 2015 02:59 PM (evdj2)
It was kind of a big deal in 2011. Rick Perry was running an explicitly federalist campaign, and was savaged by most of the GOP field for it. Michelle Bachmann, in particular, used the fact that the STATE of Texas had opted for a Gardisil vaccination program as a horrible moral abomination that should disqualify Perry. Because just like the left, Bachmann/Huckabee/Santorum believe all issues of morality must be made at the federal level.
And then Perry shit himself.
Posted by: wooga at May 27, 2015 03:05 PM (t+1Vb)
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I see support for having affairs and a bunch of leetle bastards to keep the prisons full and guards employed has moved up. So smart. Nothing keeps a woman barefoot and pregnant like being barefoot and pregnant.
Posted by: maddogg at May 27, 2015 03:05 PM (xWW96)
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or we could just be Rome. Back to the Future!
Posted by: The Burning Time at May 27, 2015 03:05 PM (evdj2)
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Well, crap, it's early afternoon here and I'm taking care of 4 kids by myself for the next few days. Could a Moron start drinking for me?
Posted by: pookysgirl can almost walk at May 27, 2015 03:05 PM (zTnOj)
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Interesting. Gallup is usually a reliable operation so I'm inclined to take the poll seriously, especially if they have been running the same questions yearly for a number of years. I will be interested to see how this goes on over the next few years, if this is actually a trend or an outlier.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Salutes All Who Have Protected Our American Right To Gripe! at May 27, 2015 03:05 PM (hLRSq)
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Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 27, 2015 03:03 PM (oVJmc)
The Netherlands and numerous cases of involuntary euthanasia say hello.
The Netherlands and numerous cases of involuntary euthanasia say hello.
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 03:06 PM (U8W/7)
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Bandersnatch, you remind me of a story I read about a Catholic priest (I think it was) asked to speak to a rural high school in the south - he was told "do not talk about gay marriage. If they find out you're against it, they won't listen to anything else you have to say." Which is dumb, but there you have it.
Posted by: David at May 27, 2015 03:06 PM (5mPls)
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Conservatives now clam up and refuse to participate. Much more so than in the past. Is there data for this statement?
Posted by: Bandersnatch
You don't say......
Posted by: Bandersnatch
You don't say......
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 27, 2015 03:06 PM (Spluw)
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"Coincidentally or not, I responded to a Gallup telephone poll just yesterday. Questions asked by a real person even. I believe the gist of that poll's questions were to determine people's outlook on the economic future."
"Oh hai! Glad you called. You want to know my views on the economic future? Well, I just wrote to the owners of that Nigerian restaurant that was in the news last week. I want their recipe for long pig. It'll come in handy pretty soon."
"Oh hai! Glad you called. You want to know my views on the economic future? Well, I just wrote to the owners of that Nigerian restaurant that was in the news last week. I want their recipe for long pig. It'll come in handy pretty soon."
Posted by: torquewrench at May 27, 2015 03:06 PM (noWW6)
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Are you fucking kidding me? People who think suicide is morally acceptable? Not the dr assisted suicide, which I have a problem with but regular suicide.... Tell that to the ones left behind....
Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 27, 2015 03:06 PM (e/33/)
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Because just like the left, Bachmann/Huckabee/Santorum believe all issues of morality must be made at the federal level.
Ah. I was reading you backwards.
Ah. I was reading you backwards.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 27, 2015 03:06 PM (evdj2)
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42 Picture of Lynch in NY Slime. She's a fcuking midget, a FAT midget.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 27, 2015 02:58 PM (0FSuD)
--Ugh, I'm pissed I have to see her cakehole on sports news.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 27, 2015 02:58 PM (0FSuD)
--Ugh, I'm pissed I have to see her cakehole on sports news.
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 03:06 PM (RQFyv)
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A yes, after relentless attack by the Gaystapo and the MFM people now support Gay Marriage and gays in general. Then why is it that every time the Gaystapo gets it on the ballot it defeated by wide margins?
Why is it that when they could not get what they wanted by the ballot they went to the courts and a fascist/communist dictator president?
Why is it that when they could not get what they wanted by the ballot they went to the courts and a fascist/communist dictator president?
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 27, 2015 03:07 PM (GpgJl)
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Is there data for this statement?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2015 02:56 PM (JtwS4)
I refuse to talk to pollsters on the phone, myself. Haven't been approached at the door.
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Your experience supports zombie's claim that many people of a certain socio-political bent have simply stopped responding, skewing the results at the beginning.
Is there data for this statement?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2015 02:56 PM (JtwS4)
I refuse to talk to pollsters on the phone, myself. Haven't been approached at the door.
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Your experience supports zombie's claim that many people of a certain socio-political bent have simply stopped responding, skewing the results at the beginning.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 03:07 PM (/mTq0)
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John Boehner and Mitch McConnell having smooth, Ken Doll groins is probably the most permanent thing in this world.....
Posted by: Dirty Randy at May 27, 2015 03:07 PM (jjaLl)
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Google Asch experiment on conformity, it was done in the 50s and it gave incredible results, in an era without social and internet.
It is no wonder that today people are a bunch of sheep. If your self esteem comes from facebook likes and twitter, you might as well start petitioning for burning nuns and you would get 52% approval.
For the idiots thinking the redefinition of marriage is not about silencing dissent, marginalizing conservatives and shut down religion altogether you are fuckin dumb beyond belief.
Everywhere in the majority of conservatives (for lack of proof) websites we are told to surrender on gay marriage because this and that. Can anyone explain to me when the left was forced to surrender on something? to negotiate? to find a middle ground?
Abortion? gun rights? fiscal responsibility?
WHEN? FUCK WHEN?
just on principle faggot marriage should be opposed always and forever.
The left never negotiate on ANYTHING.
It is no wonder that today people are a bunch of sheep. If your self esteem comes from facebook likes and twitter, you might as well start petitioning for burning nuns and you would get 52% approval.
For the idiots thinking the redefinition of marriage is not about silencing dissent, marginalizing conservatives and shut down religion altogether you are fuckin dumb beyond belief.
Everywhere in the majority of conservatives (for lack of proof) websites we are told to surrender on gay marriage because this and that. Can anyone explain to me when the left was forced to surrender on something? to negotiate? to find a middle ground?
Abortion? gun rights? fiscal responsibility?
WHEN? FUCK WHEN?
just on principle faggot marriage should be opposed always and forever.
The left never negotiate on ANYTHING.
Posted by: fromabroad at May 27, 2015 03:07 PM (rnV3B)
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As a handicapped person I never want to look at my dr and wonder if he or she think it's better to kill people like me.
I advise against moving to Scandinavia.
Cancer. Loads and loads of cancer. Reprogramming cells that want to be totipotent is hard.
That has been the usual result of stem cell research so far. As in 97 times out of 100 or higher. Cancer, madness, strokes, etc. Very bad juju. Its like something out of a horror novel.
I advise against moving to Scandinavia.
Cancer. Loads and loads of cancer. Reprogramming cells that want to be totipotent is hard.
That has been the usual result of stem cell research so far. As in 97 times out of 100 or higher. Cancer, madness, strokes, etc. Very bad juju. Its like something out of a horror novel.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 03:07 PM (39g3+)
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I was thinking about where muslims would fall and I would expect answers of 0% on most of them. And yet liberals love muslims and hate Christians.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 27, 2015 02:56 PM (ODxAs)
Well, liberals and muslims hate the same things: western culture and values, plus the power and wealth that flow from them.
I was thinking about where muslims would fall and I would expect answers of 0% on most of them. And yet liberals love muslims and hate Christians.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 27, 2015 02:56 PM (ODxAs)
Well, liberals and muslims hate the same things: western culture and values, plus the power and wealth that flow from them.
Posted by: model_1066 at May 27, 2015 03:07 PM (WEvvb)
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Seizing someone's assets didn't make the list.
Posted by: redenzo at May 27, 2015 03:07 PM (WCnJW)
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Rush has been deluding himself for a long time about the supposed 2:1 conservative to liberal makeup of the country.
The left has leveraged a relatively small number of people with an outsized influence in the culture to change public opinion, particularly on homosexual issues. It's everywhere. It's on tv, in-your-face all the time, and it's just been easier for most people to accept something they know is a lie rather than face the unmitigated hatred of the tolerance brigade.
The change is real.
Rush has been deluding himself for a long time about the supposed 2:1 conservative to liberal makeup of the country.
The left has leveraged a relatively small number of people with an outsized influence in the culture to change public opinion, particularly on homosexual issues. It's everywhere. It's on tv, in-your-face all the time, and it's just been easier for most people to accept something they know is a lie rather than face the unmitigated hatred of the tolerance brigade.
The change is real.
Posted by: Sam In Va at May 27, 2015 03:08 PM (OIXQ9)
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If you are deathly ill and not going to recover, why must you have a doctor's assistance? Who needs to go thru more shit when you are dying when it wont change the outcome?
If you are deathly ill and not going to recover, why must you have a doctor's assistance? Who needs to go thru more shit when you are dying when it wont change the outcome?
Posted by: Bruce But Not Jenner at May 27, 2015 03:08 PM (iQIUe)
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I wouldn't change my party platform based on one thousand random people that answered their phones.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 27, 2015 03:08 PM (evdj2)
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Posted by: wooga at May 27, 2015 03:05 PM (t+1Vb)
That Gardisil thing was a mess.
Perry overrode the committee he called (who recommended against it largely on cost effectiveness, I know some people on that committee they were left leaning).
Then he had a staffer jump ship to Merck.
Then it comes out he made some money on Merck stock.
Frankly the way Perry handled that shit in the first place was the problem.
That Gardisil thing was a mess.
Perry overrode the committee he called (who recommended against it largely on cost effectiveness, I know some people on that committee they were left leaning).
Then he had a staffer jump ship to Merck.
Then it comes out he made some money on Merck stock.
Frankly the way Perry handled that shit in the first place was the problem.
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 03:08 PM (U8W/7)
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I'm all for gay marriage ... no reason to keep all the misery to myself.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 27, 2015 03:08 PM (8nAzo)
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I don't at all doubt you'd see upticks in support for pedophilia and cannibalism too.
This is an era of taking every bit of hard learned wisdom from western civilization and chucking it out the door. Why? Because shut up, that's why.
This is an era of taking every bit of hard learned wisdom from western civilization and chucking it out the door. Why? Because shut up, that's why.
Posted by: bananaDream at May 27, 2015 03:08 PM (upzye)
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How are the dems gonna motivate them? Will George Zimmerman shoot a gay married burglar and get the hipsters out to vote?
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 27, 2015 03:03 PM (oDCMR)
"Who TOLD You?!?" - The DNC
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 27, 2015 03:03 PM (oDCMR)
"Who TOLD You?!?" - The DNC
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Salutes All Who Have Protected Our American Right To Gripe! at May 27, 2015 03:09 PM (hLRSq)
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Seems that operator error was the major contributor to the problem
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 27, 2015 03:01 PM (VPLuQ)
Mistake #1: walking into the Volvo dealership. They were good cars, once. Overpriced, overly-complex junk now.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 27, 2015 03:01 PM (VPLuQ)
Mistake #1: walking into the Volvo dealership. They were good cars, once. Overpriced, overly-complex junk now.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2015 03:09 PM (tQwIz)
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Lots of future Huckabee/Santorum '16 campaign volunteers in this thread.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at May 27, 2015 03:09 PM (1RNgT)
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The poll is about morality, I would have like one about whether the govt should be involved in any those things, except the obvious ones(death penalty etc)
The poll is about morality, I would have like one about whether the govt should be involved in any those things, except the obvious ones(death penalty etc)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 27, 2015 03:09 PM (ODxAs)
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Gallop is a traditional liberal polling outfit for the Democrats so I don't believe a bit of this crap.
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BOOM lol
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BOOM lol
Posted by: Bigby's Work Gloves at May 27, 2015 03:10 PM (Cq0oW)
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America needs more ghey.
Posted by: tsj017 at May 27, 2015 03:10 PM (1rDkF)
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Bastardy is cool with us.
Posted by: Da NBA at May 27, 2015 03:10 PM (RQFyv)
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I'm pretty dubious of any specific poll but I do think that the country has moved to the left on a lot of social issues. It shouldn't be surprising given that we are bombarded on a daily basis with lefty propaganda masquerading as news and our schools including universities have become SJW factories.
If anything, I'm actually a little surprised the best the left can do is tie more traditional conservative views. Hardly the overwhelming tidal wave of support the left likes to proclaim they have for their positions.
If anything, I'm actually a little surprised the best the left can do is tie more traditional conservative views. Hardly the overwhelming tidal wave of support the left likes to proclaim they have for their positions.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2015 03:10 PM (g1DWB)
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Hopefully support for rapey rape will also increase.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 27, 2015 03:10 PM (oDCMR)
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Yep, decades of indoctrination by the media, entertainment industries and public schools and universities.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 03:10 PM (syMdD)
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Posted by: zombie at May 27, 2015 02:55 PM (jBuUi)
Good point, zombie. I think you're right.
On the other hand, the reluctance to speak one's mind for fear of adverse consequences is a hallmark of totalitarian societies.
Posted by: zombie at May 27, 2015 02:55 PM (jBuUi)
Good point, zombie. I think you're right.
On the other hand, the reluctance to speak one's mind for fear of adverse consequences is a hallmark of totalitarian societies.
Posted by: rickl at May 27, 2015 03:10 PM (zoehZ)
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Fucking Romney.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 27, 2015 03:11 PM (evdj2)
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They were good cars, once.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2015 03:09 PM (tQwIz)
https://youtu.be/GTJZEK4JP0k
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2015 03:09 PM (tQwIz)
https://youtu.be/GTJZEK4JP0k
Posted by: Country Singer at May 27, 2015 03:11 PM (8hctH)
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Mistake #1: walking into the Volvo dealership. They were good cars, once. Overpriced, overly-complex junk now.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2015 03:09 PM (tQwIz)
Reminds me of all the Saab stories I have heard...
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2015 03:09 PM (tQwIz)
Reminds me of all the Saab stories I have heard...
Posted by: model_1066 at May 27, 2015 03:11 PM (WEvvb)
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A permanent change - until the next time that the Gods of the Copybook Headings have their say.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at May 27, 2015 03:11 PM (nFdGS)
Posted by: Citizen X at May 27, 2015 03:11 PM (7ObY1)
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Mistake #1: walking into the Volvo dealership. They were good cars, once. Overpriced, overly-complex junk now.
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They are indistinguishable from Toyota, Hyundai, Nissan....
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They are indistinguishable from Toyota, Hyundai, Nissan....
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 27, 2015 03:12 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 27, 2015 03:12 PM (evdj2)
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Speaking of junk cars. Subaru is always touting their durability and reliability. Well that's all horseshit.
http://goo.gl/LHgjjO
Speaking of junk cars. Subaru is always touting their durability and reliability. Well that's all horseshit.
http://goo.gl/LHgjjO
Posted by: maddogg at May 27, 2015 03:12 PM (xWW96)
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Lots of future Huckabee/Santorum '16 campaign volunteers in this thread.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at May 27, 2015 03:09 PM (1RNgT)
Bush
Cruz
Rubio
Walker
Pick 2 name and that will be the R ticket in the end. Just don't know the order yet.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at May 27, 2015 03:09 PM (1RNgT)
Bush
Cruz
Rubio
Walker
Pick 2 name and that will be the R ticket in the end. Just don't know the order yet.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:12 PM (S+el1)
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The poll reflects the changing opinons of that subset of people willing to express their opinions publicly.
That subset is getting smaller and more selective and skewing left.
The other subset -- paranoid "slam the door in everyone's face" types -- is skewing conservative.
Posted by: zombie at May 27, 2015 02:55 PM (jBuUi)
Excellent point. Think about how liberals are perfectly happy to spout their idiotic viewpoints in wildly inappropriate public venues. I've never seen a conservative do that, but it happens all the time with liberals, who can be astonished to find out that there's anyone who doesn't agree with them.
I was at a business lunch some years ago where a recently arrived Asian went off on W. (You just haven't lived until you've heard a libtard rant in Chinglish). A dozen of us sat around the table, head down, eyes on their plates, eating in silence. Afterwards I found that, far from supporting this asshole, most of the people there disagreed with him to varying extents. Conservatives would hesitantly admit that they were not enchanted, until they realized that they were among friends, and then opened up.
That subset is getting smaller and more selective and skewing left.
The other subset -- paranoid "slam the door in everyone's face" types -- is skewing conservative.
Posted by: zombie at May 27, 2015 02:55 PM (jBuUi)
Excellent point. Think about how liberals are perfectly happy to spout their idiotic viewpoints in wildly inappropriate public venues. I've never seen a conservative do that, but it happens all the time with liberals, who can be astonished to find out that there's anyone who doesn't agree with them.
I was at a business lunch some years ago where a recently arrived Asian went off on W. (You just haven't lived until you've heard a libtard rant in Chinglish). A dozen of us sat around the table, head down, eyes on their plates, eating in silence. Afterwards I found that, far from supporting this asshole, most of the people there disagreed with him to varying extents. Conservatives would hesitantly admit that they were not enchanted, until they realized that they were among friends, and then opened up.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 03:12 PM (oKE6c)
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Rush has been deluding himself for a long time about the supposed 2:1 conservative to liberal makeup of the country.
He's not wrong, in the sense that if you ask people out of any other context or topic what they consider themselves, you'll hear "conservative" about 2:1 over "liberal."
People self-identify conservative far more than liberal. But when it comes down to actual policy, voting, and opinion, they lean more left.
He's not wrong, in the sense that if you ask people out of any other context or topic what they consider themselves, you'll hear "conservative" about 2:1 over "liberal."
People self-identify conservative far more than liberal. But when it comes down to actual policy, voting, and opinion, they lean more left.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 03:12 PM (39g3+)
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Not to be a jerk, but c'mon. We've been swirling the bowl for a while now. It's time to take the plunge.
Time for churches to go underground. Time for speech codes. Time to persecute. Time for the mandatory celebration of sodomy and infanticide.
Hate to sound so "biblical," but it is what it is.
Time for churches to go underground. Time for speech codes. Time to persecute. Time for the mandatory celebration of sodomy and infanticide.
Hate to sound so "biblical," but it is what it is.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at May 27, 2015 03:12 PM (vgIRn)
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Meanwhile, if you even think about owning a Confederate battle flag you are Satan himself according to the Millennials. History has been revised. Everyone south of the Mason-Dixon line is a Nazi, by definition, even to this day.
Posted by: Sphynx at May 27, 2015 03:12 PM (OZmbA)
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where did all this polygamy support come from?
Mormons? Muslims? Somebody else?
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 02:58 PM (lIU4e)
I'll take cat lovers for $1,000 Alex.
where did all this polygamy support come from?
Mormons? Muslims? Somebody else?
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 02:58 PM (lIU4e)
I'll take cat lovers for $1,000 Alex.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 27, 2015 03:12 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 27, 2015 03:12 PM (evdj2)
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Eh...when the owner of a serious conservative website (AoSHQ) comes out as "full-on, gloryhole gay," what do you expect?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 27, 2015 03:13 PM (k2fxD)
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"What's permanent in the world?"
Crushing your enemies and hearing the lamentations of their wimmins!
Crushing your enemies and hearing the lamentations of their wimmins!
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 03:13 PM (g+n/q)
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My approval of Jane D'oh's neck is at an all time high.
Posted by: The Lurking Spider at May 27, 2015 03:13 PM (8nAzo)
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>>Don't think we had a significant number of non respondant conservatives going back that many years.
I do wonder that 'very conservative' went from 42 to 31 from 2009 to 2015. That's a big dip.
I do wonder that 'very conservative' went from 42 to 31 from 2009 to 2015. That's a big dip.
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 03:13 PM (lIU4e)
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My nipples explode in delight!
Posted by: Rich Lowry - Live from The National Review Mattress Room
My nipples explode in delight!
Posted by: Rich Lowry - Live from The National Review Mattress Room
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 27, 2015 03:14 PM (kdS6q)
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Overpriced, overly-complex junk now.
I have a 2009 Dodge Dakota in the shop right now for its 3rd transmission. 35,000 miles on the truck.
I have a 2009 Dodge Dakota in the shop right now for its 3rd transmission. 35,000 miles on the truck.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:14 PM (S+el1)
Posted by: Moloch at May 27, 2015 03:14 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: The Left at May 27, 2015 03:15 PM (vgIRn)
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The poll reflects the changing opinons of that subset of people willing to express their opinions publicly.
I want to believe that, but it's been interesting over the last 25 years how "having a baby outside of marriage" went from "sketchy" to "mandatory".
I want to believe that, but it's been interesting over the last 25 years how "having a baby outside of marriage" went from "sketchy" to "mandatory".
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 27, 2015 03:15 PM (ZKzrr)
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>>Rush has been deluding himself for a long time about the supposed 2:1 conservative to liberal makeup of the country.
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A result of 24 X 7 cultural propaganda and youth-brain programming for 30+ years via TV, pop music, movies and recently social media
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A result of 24 X 7 cultural propaganda and youth-brain programming for 30+ years via TV, pop music, movies and recently social media
Posted by: Sphynx at May 27, 2015 03:15 PM (OZmbA)
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"Perry overrode the committee he called (who recommended against it largely on cost effectiveness, I know some people on that committee they were left leaning). Then he had a staffer jump ship to Merck. Then it comes out he made some money on Merck stock."
And then when he was called upon to give an account of all of the foregoing, Perry was so stoned on pain pills that he managed to make the mess even worse.
It was like the infamous 1980 Roger Mudd interview of Ted Kennedy. A slow softball pitch of a question, totally bungled by a candidate who was high as a kite.
And then when he was called upon to give an account of all of the foregoing, Perry was so stoned on pain pills that he managed to make the mess even worse.
It was like the infamous 1980 Roger Mudd interview of Ted Kennedy. A slow softball pitch of a question, totally bungled by a candidate who was high as a kite.
Posted by: torquewrench at May 27, 2015 03:15 PM (noWW6)
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I have a 2009 Dodge Dakota in the shop right now for its 3rd transmission. 35,000 miles on the truck.
Dodge transmissions are notoriously awful. They're just overpriced junk without the complexity.
Dodge transmissions are notoriously awful. They're just overpriced junk without the complexity.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 03:15 PM (39g3+)
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143 Overpriced, overly-complex junk now.
I have a 2009 Dodge Dakota in the shop right now for its 3rd transmission. 35,000 miles on the truck.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:14 PM (S+el1)
I have a Nissan 4x4 that I have owned for almost 20 years that JUST WON"T DIE! Kinda sucks, actually....
I have a 2009 Dodge Dakota in the shop right now for its 3rd transmission. 35,000 miles on the truck.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:14 PM (S+el1)
I have a Nissan 4x4 that I have owned for almost 20 years that JUST WON"T DIE! Kinda sucks, actually....
Posted by: model_1066 at May 27, 2015 03:15 PM (WEvvb)
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Bander, what definition of "limited government" encompasses a lawless judiciary decreeing vast social/cultural changes from an unaccountable perch, shredding state constitutions and completing the hollowing out of the crucial concept of "rights" along the way?
Rhetorical question.
You happen to favor the outcome of this particular atrocity of lawlessness and civic wrecking, so you just pass on by. As if it's not the model, and as if the cancer might not imperil your precious economic liberty (um, C02 as a pollutant?).
Whatever. Clearly all the great social and civic advances in history have come from the wisdom of 24-yr olds.
Rhetorical question.
You happen to favor the outcome of this particular atrocity of lawlessness and civic wrecking, so you just pass on by. As if it's not the model, and as if the cancer might not imperil your precious economic liberty (um, C02 as a pollutant?).
Whatever. Clearly all the great social and civic advances in history have come from the wisdom of 24-yr olds.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 27, 2015 03:15 PM (QDnY+)
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"Mistake #1: walking into the Volvo dealership. They were good cars, once. Overpriced, overly-complex junk now."
Seems they never really recovered from being owned by Ford from 99 to 2010.
Almost exactly the same story with Jaguar and Ford.
Seems they never really recovered from being owned by Ford from 99 to 2010.
Almost exactly the same story with Jaguar and Ford.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 27, 2015 03:15 PM (VPLuQ)
Posted by: DaveA at May 27, 2015 03:15 PM (DL2i+)
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"Hardly the overwhelming tidal wave of support the left likes to proclaim they have for their positions."
Dead-on. Polls often show about 40% of Americans are against gay marriage - which is a minority sure, but if you got your info from the media you'd guess something more like 1%. I'm serious. The amount of vitriol launched at people like Memories Pizza could never be maintained if people realized they really needed to target 40% of the population. A lot of people really think the only holdouts are the occasional Indiana pizza shop.
Dead-on. Polls often show about 40% of Americans are against gay marriage - which is a minority sure, but if you got your info from the media you'd guess something more like 1%. I'm serious. The amount of vitriol launched at people like Memories Pizza could never be maintained if people realized they really needed to target 40% of the population. A lot of people really think the only holdouts are the occasional Indiana pizza shop.
Posted by: David at May 27, 2015 03:16 PM (5mPls)
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Bandersnatch, you remind me of a story I read about a Catholic priest (I think it was) asked to speak to a rural high school in the south - he was told "do not talk about gay marriage. If they find out you're against it, they won't listen to anything else you have to say." Which is dumb, but there you have it.
Well, yeah. I think that's the landscape, irrespective of my own views on it.
So the stuff I'd like us to unite around is less spending, less borrowing for the spending, lower taxes, etc., etc, etc.
We, and by we I mean the various stripes of conservatarians in the Horde, can agree on that stuff. We can still argue about which countries need bombed now and hard. And we can let society sort out social issues. They definitely turn potentially open minds into "I won't listen".
Bandersnatch, you remind me of a story I read about a Catholic priest (I think it was) asked to speak to a rural high school in the south - he was told "do not talk about gay marriage. If they find out you're against it, they won't listen to anything else you have to say." Which is dumb, but there you have it.
Well, yeah. I think that's the landscape, irrespective of my own views on it.
So the stuff I'd like us to unite around is less spending, less borrowing for the spending, lower taxes, etc., etc, etc.
We, and by we I mean the various stripes of conservatarians in the Horde, can agree on that stuff. We can still argue about which countries need bombed now and hard. And we can let society sort out social issues. They definitely turn potentially open minds into "I won't listen".
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2015 03:16 PM (JtwS4)
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how soon before fellatio is mandatory for citizenship?
Posted by: Mr Wizard at May 27, 2015 03:16 PM (eOpVe)
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I wonder how many social conservatives waited until marriage to have sex.
Posted by: SFGoth at May 27, 2015 03:16 PM (XOagD)
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1st
Posted by: john doe at May 27, 2015 03:16 PM (g1MTt)
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Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 03:12 PM (oKE6c)
That is why it is incumbent upon all articulate conservatives to take the governor off of our mouths and rip into these assholes in public venues.
I do it, and I am better for it. I sleep better, I enjoy my food more, and my family is strangely polite around me.
That is why it is incumbent upon all articulate conservatives to take the governor off of our mouths and rip into these assholes in public venues.
I do it, and I am better for it. I sleep better, I enjoy my food more, and my family is strangely polite around me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 27, 2015 03:16 PM (k2fxD)
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121 Yep, decades of indoctrination by the media, entertainment industries and public schools and universities.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 03:10 PM (syMdD)
I think another factor in this is that liberals tend to vilify those who do not agree with them. It's not just that you have a different view from theirs, but rather, in their view, you're an evil person because you have a different view. No one wants to have to defend himself against a charge of being evil.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 03:10 PM (syMdD)
I think another factor in this is that liberals tend to vilify those who do not agree with them. It's not just that you have a different view from theirs, but rather, in their view, you're an evil person because you have a different view. No one wants to have to defend himself against a charge of being evil.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 03:16 PM (oKE6c)
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Remember there has been an all out push from the media on all fronts to change the moral code of America. From music, to movies, to cable shows, to sports. Put that together with a completely female leftist control of K-12 and you get these results.
I for one have switched to where I am pro abortion and pro forced sterilization for any woman that has been on welfare for over five years and have more than two children from two different fathers.
I for one have switched to where I am pro abortion and pro forced sterilization for any woman that has been on welfare for over five years and have more than two children from two different fathers.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 27, 2015 03:17 PM (TV9BR)
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So if we get those 56% who are OK with doctor-assisted suicide to put their money where their mouth is.. what do the numbers look like?
Posted by: Nutsy the Buzzard at May 27, 2015 03:17 PM (pS7Ne)
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America needs more ghey.
Posted by: tsj017 at May 27, 2015 03:10 PM (1rDkF)
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Seems to be the whole point of modern day TV sitcoms.
America needs more ghey.
Posted by: tsj017 at May 27, 2015 03:10 PM (1rDkF)
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Seems to be the whole point of modern day TV sitcoms.
Posted by: wth at May 27, 2015 03:17 PM (wAQA5)
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I wonder if the moon were made of cheese, what kind would it be?
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 27, 2015 03:17 PM (evdj2)
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lmost exactly the same story with Jaguar and Ford.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 27, 2015 03:15 PM (VPLuQ)
Actually, Jags have always been overpriced junk. It's a British tradition.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 27, 2015 03:15 PM (VPLuQ)
Actually, Jags have always been overpriced junk. It's a British tradition.
Posted by: maddogg at May 27, 2015 03:17 PM (xWW96)
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It was like the infamous 1980 Roger Mudd interview of Ted Kennedy. A slow softball pitch of a question, totally bungled by a candidate who was high as a kite.
Nobody remembers that but you, though. What sunk Kennedy was being the only one with a confirmed kill in the war on women. People in his state were willing to let Chappaquiddick slide for a Senator, but the nation at large was less forgiving.
Nobody remembers that but you, though. What sunk Kennedy was being the only one with a confirmed kill in the war on women. People in his state were willing to let Chappaquiddick slide for a Senator, but the nation at large was less forgiving.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 03:17 PM (39g3+)
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Thanks, hippies. The Pelosi generation of self-absorbed, devil's advocate, biblically and historically ignorant punks has taken hold.
This is why we're doomed. People want to be entertained, not educated, and go all-in with their feelings instead of being persuaded by arguments. Then they wonder why nothing's working.
This is why we're doomed. People want to be entertained, not educated, and go all-in with their feelings instead of being persuaded by arguments. Then they wonder why nothing's working.
Posted by: red speck at May 27, 2015 03:18 PM (9/Ug/)
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Cultural Imperialism was supposed to work for US.
http://denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/
2002/05/Ourgreatestweapons.shtml
http://denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/
2002/05/Ourgreatestweapons.shtml
Posted by: DaveA at May 27, 2015 03:18 PM (DL2i+)
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On the other hand, the reluctance to speak one's mind for fear of adverse consequences is a hallmark of totalitarian societies.
Posted by: rickl at May 27, 2015 03:10 PM (zoehZ)
But totalitarianism is being crowdsourced now.
It's a fair argument exactly how much of it there actually is, but there's a not-unreasonable perception that if you're vocally un-PC, your livelihood is at risk from a mob of self-appointed enforcers.
I do wonder if the old-school Soviet-minded leftists are surprised at how well this worked, or smugly confident that it was all their doing.
Posted by: rickl at May 27, 2015 03:10 PM (zoehZ)
But totalitarianism is being crowdsourced now.
It's a fair argument exactly how much of it there actually is, but there's a not-unreasonable perception that if you're vocally un-PC, your livelihood is at risk from a mob of self-appointed enforcers.
I do wonder if the old-school Soviet-minded leftists are surprised at how well this worked, or smugly confident that it was all their doing.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 27, 2015 03:18 PM (bLnSU)
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Also, what are the percentages on the participants actually knowing the definition of moral (let alone morally acceptable)?
Posted by: Nutsy the Buzzard at May 27, 2015 03:18 PM (pS7Ne)
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So the stuff I'd like us to unite around is less spending, less borrowing for the spending, lower taxes, etc., etc, etc.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
Great. Now, all we need is a political party that gives a shit about this. Because the one we got doesn't do either.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
Great. Now, all we need is a political party that gives a shit about this. Because the one we got doesn't do either.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 27, 2015 03:18 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 03:18 PM (syMdD)
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164 I wonder if the moon were made of cheese, what kind would it be?
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 27, 2015 03:17 PM (evdj2)
Gouda, immiserated with cheddar.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 27, 2015 03:17 PM (evdj2)
Gouda, immiserated with cheddar.
Posted by: model_1066 at May 27, 2015 03:18 PM (WEvvb)
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It's not just that you have a different view from theirs, but rather, in their view, you're an evil person because you have a different view.
If I was as evil as they claim, they wouldn't be breathing.
If I was as evil as they claim, they wouldn't be breathing.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 03:18 PM (g+n/q)
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I think people answer polling calls differently today than in previous years. Nowadays, I think lots of pollsters hear what the voter thinks is the "P.C." response, but not a voters true position on an issue.
For example: does anyone really think there is an absolute majority calling doctor-assisted suicide "morally acceptable"? I don't. Put it on a ballot and watch what happens.
Similarly, put gay marriage on the ballot, state by state, and see how many states pass it.
For example: does anyone really think there is an absolute majority calling doctor-assisted suicide "morally acceptable"? I don't. Put it on a ballot and watch what happens.
Similarly, put gay marriage on the ballot, state by state, and see how many states pass it.
Posted by: MTF at May 27, 2015 03:18 PM (LISuA)
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>>157
I wonder how many social conservatives waited until marriage to have sex.
Posted by: SFGoth at May 27, 2015 03:16 PM (XOagD)<<
Been married twice and still waiting.
I wonder how many social conservatives waited until marriage to have sex.
Posted by: SFGoth at May 27, 2015 03:16 PM (XOagD)<<
Been married twice and still waiting.
Posted by: Sphynx at May 27, 2015 03:18 PM (OZmbA)
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Posted by: maddogg at May 27, 2015 03:12 PM (xWW96)
Heh, looks like the Odyssey I just bought has a small history of transmission problems based on that site.
On the upside, the gimmick the dealer I bought from has is they pay the cost for the extended powertrain warranty. (Yeah it's probably baked into the cost of the car, but they were still a couple hundred below the other dealers here, and lower than the Toyota sienna we looked at which my wife didn't like as much.)
Heh, looks like the Odyssey I just bought has a small history of transmission problems based on that site.
On the upside, the gimmick the dealer I bought from has is they pay the cost for the extended powertrain warranty. (Yeah it's probably baked into the cost of the car, but they were still a couple hundred below the other dealers here, and lower than the Toyota sienna we looked at which my wife didn't like as much.)
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 03:19 PM (U8W/7)
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It's the TV media's long term effect. Like the poll where Americans think 30% of people are teh ghey. They're all over TV. I asked my 14 year old son what he thought the percentage was and he said "30%".
Posted by: John Doe@AnotherQuidam at May 27, 2015 03:19 PM (g1MTt)
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Seeing a drop for conservative positions in an age when conservatives are under a historical level of fire and abuse is not surprising.
Even less so when the 'conservative' party is part of that persecution.
Even less so when the 'conservative' party is part of that persecution.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 27, 2015 03:19 PM (oVJmc)
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Urrgh, I'd love to hear FIFA-bashing and soccer jokes on my favorite talk show, but it's still Rangers (BOOORRR-ING!) post-game shite.
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 03:19 PM (RQFyv)
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That is why it is incumbent upon all articulate
conservatives to take the governor off of our mouths and rip into these
assholes in public venues.
I do it, and I am better for it. I sleep better, I enjoy my food more, and my family is strangely polite around me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 27, 2015 03:16 PM (k2fxD)
I recently started doing this as well. And you're right, it does make you feel better just to push back a bit.
Depending on the venue, I'd either go after someone spouting liberal crap, or resort to Socratic methods (which I think generally are more effective).
conservatives to take the governor off of our mouths and rip into these
assholes in public venues.
I do it, and I am better for it. I sleep better, I enjoy my food more, and my family is strangely polite around me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 27, 2015 03:16 PM (k2fxD)
I recently started doing this as well. And you're right, it does make you feel better just to push back a bit.
Depending on the venue, I'd either go after someone spouting liberal crap, or resort to Socratic methods (which I think generally are more effective).
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 03:20 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 03:20 PM (syMdD)
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:20 PM (S+el1)
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We be winning. No give me free shit and tell me I be smart.
Posted by: LIV at May 27, 2015 03:20 PM (TV9BR)
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175
I think people answer polling calls differently today than in previous
years. Nowadays, I think lots of pollsters hear what the voter thinks
is the "P.C." response, but not a voters true position on an issue.
This is why Cameron won in UK. People are fcuking with pollsters
I mean it wasn't close.
I think people answer polling calls differently today than in previous
years. Nowadays, I think lots of pollsters hear what the voter thinks
is the "P.C." response, but not a voters true position on an issue.
This is why Cameron won in UK. People are fcuking with pollsters
I mean it wasn't close.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 27, 2015 03:20 PM (0FSuD)
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It's all cyclical. The leftists and short-sighted libertarians will win their social policy victories, thereby gutting their own culture, thereby opening themselves up to tyranny and paganism. Hello, sharia! Just think, as a future muslim, you all can *still* rail against Christianity.
Posted by: David Ferguson at May 27, 2015 03:20 PM (ee11p)
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Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 03:19 PM (U8W/7)
Toyota does consistently build good cars though.
Toyota does consistently build good cars though.
Posted by: maddogg at May 27, 2015 03:21 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Jim Scrummy at May 27, 2015 03:21 PM (6rKEC)
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"So the stuff I'd like us to unite around is less spending, less borrowing for the spending, lower taxes, etc., etc, etc. "
because you are 100% sure there won't be vilification on those issues?
when they are done with vilification of Christians, they will start with the vilification of the people thinking the rich should not pay 90% of their income in taxes.
The problem with the mob is that the goalpost can change, it is the method that is always the same.
So prepare to surrender on everything.
Preventing immigration will be considered hate crime since 50% of the world is ghey and they need to find suitable partners in the USA.
because you are 100% sure there won't be vilification on those issues?
when they are done with vilification of Christians, they will start with the vilification of the people thinking the rich should not pay 90% of their income in taxes.
The problem with the mob is that the goalpost can change, it is the method that is always the same.
So prepare to surrender on everything.
Preventing immigration will be considered hate crime since 50% of the world is ghey and they need to find suitable partners in the USA.
Posted by: fromabroad at May 27, 2015 03:21 PM (rnV3B)
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Is it just me that finds it odd that divorce is more approved than gambling? It made me laugh anyway. Marriage can be a huge gamble.
Is it just me that finds it odd that divorce is more approved than gambling? It made me laugh anyway. Marriage can be a huge gamble.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 27, 2015 03:21 PM (ODxAs)
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I think people answer polling calls differently today than in previous years.
I hand the phone to a small child.
I hand the phone to a small child.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 03:21 PM (g+n/q)
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I recognize the words but not the concept.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:20 PM (S+el1)
Sex is an easy concept to grasp. Try it.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:20 PM (S+el1)
Sex is an easy concept to grasp. Try it.
Posted by: model_1066 at May 27, 2015 03:21 PM (WEvvb)
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143 I have a 2009 Dodge Dakota in the shop right now for its 3rd transmission. 35,000 miles on the truck.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:14 PM (S+el1)
My older brother had a Dodge truck at one time to his misery. He had the transmission in it replaced three times average about every year and a half after he bought it. After the third one he got rid of the POS.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:14 PM (S+el1)
My older brother had a Dodge truck at one time to his misery. He had the transmission in it replaced three times average about every year and a half after he bought it. After the third one he got rid of the POS.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 27, 2015 03:21 PM (GpgJl)
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Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 27, 2015 03:15 PM (ZKzrr)
Perpetual motion machine, enough people have kids out of wedlock, their kids grow up thinking it's OK, have kids out of wedlock, later rinse repeat.
Where are we now? 50% of births paid for by Medicaid I think and about as many out of wedlock.
Perpetual motion machine, enough people have kids out of wedlock, their kids grow up thinking it's OK, have kids out of wedlock, later rinse repeat.
Where are we now? 50% of births paid for by Medicaid I think and about as many out of wedlock.
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 03:21 PM (U8W/7)
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So if we get those 56% who are OK with doctor-assisted suicide to put
their money where their mouth is.. what do the numbers look like?
Is it Belgium or the Netherlands where one out of every 8 deaths last year was euthanasia? And they weren't all at the request of the patient.
their money where their mouth is.. what do the numbers look like?
Is it Belgium or the Netherlands where one out of every 8 deaths last year was euthanasia? And they weren't all at the request of the patient.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 27, 2015 03:21 PM (ZKzrr)
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Yeah it seems like Jaguars are actually becoming better, since they were always beautiful but terrible cars.
I wonder how many social conservatives waited until marriage to have sex.
More than you'd think, but not as many as they wish, and regret.
I wonder how many social conservatives waited until marriage to have sex.
More than you'd think, but not as many as they wish, and regret.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 03:21 PM (39g3+)
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OT:
Related to the bad movie remakes/sequels topic last night...
some how they managed to re-animate my corpse and drag me on set to make a sequel to Independence Day.
Related to the bad movie remakes/sequels topic last night...
some how they managed to re-animate my corpse and drag me on set to make a sequel to Independence Day.
Posted by: zombie Jeff Goldblum at May 27, 2015 03:22 PM (dkfG0)
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FTSB - "Using genetically modified viruses to attack tumour cells could open a 'wave' of potential new treatments."
I see no way this could go wrong.
I see no way this could go wrong.
Posted by: Robert Neville at May 27, 2015 03:22 PM (evdj2)
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Sex is an easy concept to grasp. Try it.
Posted by: model_1066 at May 27, 2015 03:21 PM (WEvvb)
I would love to try it, but I'm married.
Posted by: model_1066 at May 27, 2015 03:21 PM (WEvvb)
I would love to try it, but I'm married.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:22 PM (S+el1)
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Sin is popular, news at 11.
Can't be all judgey though, unless someone's wearing fur or something.
Can't be all judgey though, unless someone's wearing fur or something.
Posted by: Lauren at May 27, 2015 03:22 PM (XsasG)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 27, 2015 03:22 PM (wtvvX)
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The poll reflects the changing opinons of that subset of people willing to express their opinions publicly.
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I agree with Zombie's comment up top. Peer pressure in adult life is approaching that of middle school.
There is a similar reason for television and Hollywood to skew further and further to the left. The people who still watch network television and go to movies regularly are a subset of the population - those who are more conservative in alignment gave up on those media sources long ago.
The poll reflects the changing opinons of that subset of people willing to express their opinions publicly.
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I agree with Zombie's comment up top. Peer pressure in adult life is approaching that of middle school.
There is a similar reason for television and Hollywood to skew further and further to the left. The people who still watch network television and go to movies regularly are a subset of the population - those who are more conservative in alignment gave up on those media sources long ago.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 27, 2015 03:22 PM (AX3vC)
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I don't think someone could claim that Gallup only asked the question about gay marriage in 2004 in order to demoralize liberals, back when more were against homosexuality. I do think this represents an actual change.
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I dunno .... maybe they did... maybe they didnt. I dont believe the polls for a fricking second. I think since the GWB administration polls have become a tool to shape opinion rather than reflect it. And, I dont .... trust.... the polling as either the poll takers are lying or the people being polled are lying. Take for instance the polling on the election in England. NOBODY was predicting a labour Wipeout. NOBODY. That trend SHOULD have been at least reflected in the polls.
So... either the pollsters are lying about the data..... or the repsondents are lying. Maybe being a conservative has become so socially stigmatized that conservatives wont identify as such unless they are alone in a polling place. In either event... the polling is not to be trusted.
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I dunno .... maybe they did... maybe they didnt. I dont believe the polls for a fricking second. I think since the GWB administration polls have become a tool to shape opinion rather than reflect it. And, I dont .... trust.... the polling as either the poll takers are lying or the people being polled are lying. Take for instance the polling on the election in England. NOBODY was predicting a labour Wipeout. NOBODY. That trend SHOULD have been at least reflected in the polls.
So... either the pollsters are lying about the data..... or the repsondents are lying. Maybe being a conservative has become so socially stigmatized that conservatives wont identify as such unless they are alone in a polling place. In either event... the polling is not to be trusted.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 27, 2015 03:23 PM (8XRCm)
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I would love to try it, but I'm married.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:22 PM (S+el1)
Aww shucks.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:22 PM (S+el1)
Aww shucks.
Posted by: model_1066 at May 27, 2015 03:23 PM (WEvvb)
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You guys are doing great!
Posted by: zombie Caesar Nero at May 27, 2015 03:23 PM (XVOlz)
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--Ugh, I'm pissed I have to see her cakehole on sports news.
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 03:06 PM (RQFyv)
Oh boy, here we go again, soccer sport or paint drying.
--Ugh, I'm pissed I have to see her cakehole on sports news.
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 03:06 PM (RQFyv)
Oh boy, here we go again, soccer sport or paint drying.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 27, 2015 03:23 PM (n6Nt0)
Posted by: Rosie Palm at May 27, 2015 03:23 PM (evdj2)
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The change is real. The population of this country is no longer fit for our system of government or freedom, generally.
Posted by: Methos at May 27, 2015 03:23 PM (ZbV+0)
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Conservatives now clam up and refuse to participate.
Much more so than in the past.
Is there data for this statement?
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Yeah. The most recent UK elections.
Conservatives now clam up and refuse to participate.
Much more so than in the past.
Is there data for this statement?
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Yeah. The most recent UK elections.
Posted by: Lauren at May 27, 2015 03:23 PM (XsasG)
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Well here's some cheery news. The pentagon is confirming that they accidentally shipped live anthrax to a lab in Utah. Oopsie.
If I'm remembering correctly, Utah was the site where a deadly toxic was released accidentally by a government lab in The Stand. That didn't turn out very well.
If I'm remembering correctly, Utah was the site where a deadly toxic was released accidentally by a government lab in The Stand. That didn't turn out very well.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2015 03:23 PM (g1DWB)
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140 My approval of Jane D'oh's neck is at an all time high.
Posted by: The Lurking Spider at May 27, 2015 03:13 PM (8nAzo)
I don't approve of the stompy boots; they're way overrated.
Posted by: The Lurking Spider at May 27, 2015 03:13 PM (8nAzo)
I don't approve of the stompy boots; they're way overrated.
Posted by: face-sized spider hiding in AtC's closet at May 27, 2015 03:24 PM (u9OP6)
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I have a Nissan 4x4 that I have owned for almost 20 years that JUST WON"T DIE! Kinda sucks, actually....
Posted by: model_1066 at May 27, 2015 03:15 PM (WEvvb)
Well, my 1990 Toyota Land Cruiser only has 227,678 miles on it.
I think I'll keep it. A little rust, but hey, it's a hunting truck.
Posted by: model_1066 at May 27, 2015 03:15 PM (WEvvb)
Well, my 1990 Toyota Land Cruiser only has 227,678 miles on it.
I think I'll keep it. A little rust, but hey, it's a hunting truck.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 27, 2015 03:24 PM (0FSuD)
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Posted by: maddogg at May 27, 2015 03:21 PM (xWW96)
Indeed, we own a Corolla we're keeping.
Honda builds good cars too (as evidenced by the fact that the Accord is their most popular car on that site.)
Honda's also hold their value a bit better than Toyotas, and was slightly cheaper to insure due to a better crash rating.
Indeed, we own a Corolla we're keeping.
Honda builds good cars too (as evidenced by the fact that the Accord is their most popular car on that site.)
Honda's also hold their value a bit better than Toyotas, and was slightly cheaper to insure due to a better crash rating.
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 03:24 PM (U8W/7)
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This would not be an electoral problem if the GOP could shift morality issues back down to the states.
But Tardisil! will always trump federalism.
Posted by: wooga at May 27, 2015 02:58 PM (t+1Vb)
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I don't know, the left has shifted them below the states to the pizza parlor and bakery.
But Tardisil! will always trump federalism.
Posted by: wooga at May 27, 2015 02:58 PM (t+1Vb)
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I don't know, the left has shifted them below the states to the pizza parlor and bakery.
Posted by: Whatever at May 27, 2015 03:24 PM (NUqwG)
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The magic negro character, a must-have for late 90s/early 2000s movies, has been replaced with the magic gay guy/lesbian girl in many films.
Posted by: Sphynx at May 27, 2015 03:24 PM (OZmbA)
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Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 27, 2015 03:21 PM (GpgJl)
I'm leaning that way but I just made the last payment last week and was HOPING to be able to put that payment away for my daughters tuition.
I'm leaning that way but I just made the last payment last week and was HOPING to be able to put that payment away for my daughters tuition.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:24 PM (S+el1)
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Support for same-sex relationships and divorce both up significantly.
But there's no chance - no chance at all - that legal same-sex marriage could have any effects on the strength of the institution of marriage.
But there's no chance - no chance at all - that legal same-sex marriage could have any effects on the strength of the institution of marriage.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at May 27, 2015 03:24 PM (xN1DB)
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I wonder how many social conservatives waited until marriage to have sex.
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Why? Do you think thats definitional or something? Lets hear your thoughts on it.
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Why? Do you think thats definitional or something? Lets hear your thoughts on it.
Posted by: Bigby's Work Gloves at May 27, 2015 03:24 PM (Cq0oW)
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I wonder how many social conservatives waited until marriage to have sex.Posted by: SFGoth
Aboutas many as the fiscal conservatives who waited until after the swearing in to fuck us over
Aboutas many as the fiscal conservatives who waited until after the swearing in to fuck us over
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 27, 2015 03:24 PM (Spluw)
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The discrepancy between the support for suicide and doctor-assisted suicide disturbs me. At least part of the difference may be that people place naive trust in "expert" agents of the state --- and more to the point, don't mind making doctors agents of the state.
You know that the big propaganda campaign for the "right-to-die" came to a screeching halt a few years ago. It utterly ceased to be a hot topic just when they were shoving Obamacare down our throats. Wouldn't want to disturb the rubes about death panels.
You know that the big propaganda campaign for the "right-to-die" came to a screeching halt a few years ago. It utterly ceased to be a hot topic just when they were shoving Obamacare down our throats. Wouldn't want to disturb the rubes about death panels.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 27, 2015 03:24 PM (cN9Sk)
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Heck, I'm going to go grab a cheap burrito...anybody else want one? The carne asada is pretty good at this joint...
Posted by: model_1066 at May 27, 2015 03:24 PM (WEvvb)
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OK nap before rub at the club. Retirement really sucks.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 27, 2015 03:24 PM (0FSuD)
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Things are looking good for my favorite hobby!!
Posted by: Harry Reid, Accused Pederast at May 27, 2015 03:24 PM (TV9BR)
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>>Name a TV show without a gay character.
Arrow and Strike Back.
Both are about killing bad guys, so not as much time devoted to interpersonal relationships.
Arrow and Strike Back.
Both are about killing bad guys, so not as much time devoted to interpersonal relationships.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 03:25 PM (syMdD)
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Was the question, "Is this morally acceptable to YOU?" or "Is this viewed as morally acceptable BY SOCIETY?"
I could see a large shift in the response to the second question (which is driven by media-fed perceptions) even if the respondents had not changed their own personal views at all over time.
I could see a large shift in the response to the second question (which is driven by media-fed perceptions) even if the respondents had not changed their own personal views at all over time.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 27, 2015 03:25 PM (8ZskC)
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166 It was like the infamous 1980 Roger Mudd interview of Ted Kennedy. A slow softball pitch of a question, totally bungled by a candidate who was high as a kite.
Nobody remembers that but you, though. What sunk Kennedy was being the only one with a confirmed kill in the war on women. People in his state were willing to let Chappaquiddick slide for a Senator, but the nation at large was less forgiving.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 03:17 PM (39g3+)
For your viewing pleasure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MfOs3Yytp0
Nobody remembers that but you, though. What sunk Kennedy was being the only one with a confirmed kill in the war on women. People in his state were willing to let Chappaquiddick slide for a Senator, but the nation at large was less forgiving.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 03:17 PM (39g3+)
For your viewing pleasure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MfOs3Yytp0
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 03:25 PM (oKE6c)
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" how soon before fellatio is mandatory for citizenship AoSHQ membership?"
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2015 03:25 PM (JtwS4)
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183 marriage to have sex.
I recognize the words but not the concept.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:20 PM (S+el1)
--I didn't marry to have sex, but I did to have children.
I recognize the words but not the concept.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:20 PM (S+el1)
--I didn't marry to have sex, but I did to have children.
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 03:25 PM (wSv9N)
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183 marriage to have sex.
I recognize the words but not the concept.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:20 PM (S+el1)
Marriage to have sex? Hammer hand to see if awake.
I recognize the words but not the concept.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:20 PM (S+el1)
Marriage to have sex? Hammer hand to see if awake.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 27, 2015 03:26 PM (n6Nt0)
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"Well, my 1990 Toyota Land Cruiser only has 227,678 miles on it."
Friend used to have a '72 or '73 LC, one of the last of "jeep" kind. It was cherry. I kinda wish I had bought off him when he sold it now. $3500 I think.
Friend used to have a '72 or '73 LC, one of the last of "jeep" kind. It was cherry. I kinda wish I had bought off him when he sold it now. $3500 I think.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 27, 2015 03:26 PM (LA7Cm)
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"gay or lesbian relations"
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excuse me, I thought lesbians were gay. Maybe I should start paying attention... or giving a crap
"gay or lesbian relations"
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excuse me, I thought lesbians were gay. Maybe I should start paying attention... or giving a crap
Posted by: wth at May 27, 2015 03:26 PM (wAQA5)
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Honda's also hold their value a bit better than Toyotas, and was slightly cheaper to insure due to a better crash rating.
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 03:24 PM (U8W/7)
I know, but Honda commercials make it seem they are aiming their marketing at metrosexuals, faggots, and feminists. i don't want people wondering about me
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 03:24 PM (U8W/7)
I know, but Honda commercials make it seem they are aiming their marketing at metrosexuals, faggots, and feminists. i don't want people wondering about me
Posted by: maddogg at May 27, 2015 03:26 PM (xWW96)
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They could've worded the survey better. Did they mean reserved-gay like Rock Hudson or full-on-gloryhole-gay?
Posted by: Brass Bancroft at May 27, 2015 03:26 PM (RHLfG)
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 03:26 PM (g+n/q)
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Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 27, 2015 03:06 PM (e/33/)
Our betters in the media know that we should be praising all who kill themselves, nary a negative thing said about how they died. Not so sure they aren't sending a message to those who are already on the edge.
Our betters in the media know that we should be praising all who kill themselves, nary a negative thing said about how they died. Not so sure they aren't sending a message to those who are already on the edge.
Posted by: Nutsy the Buzzard at May 27, 2015 03:26 PM (78OXS)
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And this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6qLFAnBIFg
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 03:27 PM (oKE6c)
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"So the stuff I'd like us to unite around is less spending, less borrowing for the spending, lower taxes, etc., etc, etc. "
Draconian cuts to the poor; women and minorites hardest hit; Republicans target most vulnerable; Your schools lose funding due to GOP slashing budget; Republicans are the party of the rich, on and on and on.
If you seriously believe there's a single conservative position worded any way you can imagine that will not be villified, demonized, and trashed by the media and entertainment community, you've not been paying attention your whole life.
Its not socially conservative positions that they attack, hate, and have made socially evil. Its anything that isn't sufficiently leftist. Those same kids who think homosexual "marriage" is a thing of beauty also think tax cuts are always for the rich and that spending cuts mean
Draconian cuts to the poor; women and minorites hardest hit; Republicans target most vulnerable; Your schools lose funding due to GOP slashing budget; Republicans are the party of the rich, on and on and on.
If you seriously believe there's a single conservative position worded any way you can imagine that will not be villified, demonized, and trashed by the media and entertainment community, you've not been paying attention your whole life.
Its not socially conservative positions that they attack, hate, and have made socially evil. Its anything that isn't sufficiently leftist. Those same kids who think homosexual "marriage" is a thing of beauty also think tax cuts are always for the rich and that spending cuts mean
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 03:27 PM (39g3+)
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A real leader can change opinion.
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 03:27 PM (RJMhd)
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I don't know about gallup, but must be noted that a lot of people conducting the polls are paid per completed poll, so a mark here and a mark there to get your dough isn't unthinkable.
I don't know about gallup, but must be noted that a lot of people conducting the polls are paid per completed poll, so a mark here and a mark there to get your dough isn't unthinkable.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 27, 2015 03:27 PM (ODxAs)
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Yay!
Posted by: Coprophagics For Equality at May 27, 2015 03:27 PM (XVOlz)
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234 They could've worded the survey better. Did they mean reserved-gay like Rock Hudson or full-on-gloryhole-gay?
Posted by: Brass Bancroft at May 27, 2015 03:26 PM (RHLfG)
Rock Hudson gay or Freddie Mercury gay? Or gay as in gay-gay versus 'damn that shirt is so gay' gay?
Posted by: Brass Bancroft at May 27, 2015 03:26 PM (RHLfG)
Rock Hudson gay or Freddie Mercury gay? Or gay as in gay-gay versus 'damn that shirt is so gay' gay?
Posted by: model_1066 at May 27, 2015 03:28 PM (WEvvb)
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where did all this polygamy support come from?
Mormons? Muslims? Somebody else?
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 02:58 PM (lIU4e)
The left and the culture has been pushing the idea that women should be bisexual for a while now. My guess is that the polygamy support comes from women who think that they want to have a girlfriend (thus being feminist and empowered and all that shit), but also want to be married with kids (because they're actually straight).
Mormons? Muslims? Somebody else?
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 02:58 PM (lIU4e)
The left and the culture has been pushing the idea that women should be bisexual for a while now. My guess is that the polygamy support comes from women who think that they want to have a girlfriend (thus being feminist and empowered and all that shit), but also want to be married with kids (because they're actually straight).
Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 27, 2015 03:28 PM (10ydV)
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Posted by: maddogg at May 27, 2015 03:26 PM (xWW96)
It's a minivan, I think I'm hosed on that one either way
It's a minivan, I think I'm hosed on that one either way
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 03:28 PM (U8W/7)
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188 What's permanent in the world?
Time and boobehs?
Posted by: Jim Scrummy at May 27, 2015 03:21 PM (6rKEC)
Death
Taxes
Patriots cheat
Time and boobehs?
Posted by: Jim Scrummy at May 27, 2015 03:21 PM (6rKEC)
Death
Taxes
Patriots cheat
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 03:28 PM (wSv9N)
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--I didn't marry to have sex, but I did to have children.
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 03:25 PM (wSv9N)
Hell, your not needed for having children anymore.
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 03:25 PM (wSv9N)
Hell, your not needed for having children anymore.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:28 PM (S+el1)
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I took my 1990 Land Cruiser over to construction site for new house. Red necks were fighting over it.
The snorkel, bull bar, winch and lifted suspension gives every red neck a woody.
Including me.
The snorkel, bull bar, winch and lifted suspension gives every red neck a woody.
Including me.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 27, 2015 03:28 PM (0FSuD)
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Name a TV show without a gay character.
Test pattern. Although it does seem significantly flamboyant for its purpose.
Test pattern. Although it does seem significantly flamboyant for its purpose.
Posted by: model_1066 at May 27, 2015 03:29 PM (WEvvb)
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I know, but Honda commercials make it seem they are aiming their marketing at metrosexuals, faggots, and feminists. i don't want people wondering about me
Posted by: maddogg at May 27, 2015 03:26 PM (xWW96)
I would never think of you that way maddogg
I know, but Honda commercials make it seem they are aiming their marketing at metrosexuals, faggots, and feminists. i don't want people wondering about me
Posted by: maddogg at May 27, 2015 03:26 PM (xWW96)
I would never think of you that way maddogg
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 27, 2015 03:29 PM (n6Nt0)
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Posted by: maddogg at May 27, 2015 03:26 PM (xWW96)
Because we all know every guy around would be pissed to find his wife with another woman
Because we all know every guy around would be pissed to find his wife with another woman
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 03:29 PM (U8W/7)
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excuse me, I thought lesbians were gay. Maybe I should start paying attention... or giving a crap
Posted by: wth at May 27, 2015 03:26 PM (wAQA5)
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Gay is used for homosexual (gay, lesbian, other)
Gay is also used for well, gay.
For others and indeterminates, which way you gay?
Posted by: wth at May 27, 2015 03:26 PM (wAQA5)
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Gay is used for homosexual (gay, lesbian, other)
Gay is also used for well, gay.
For others and indeterminates, which way you gay?
Posted by: Whatever at May 27, 2015 03:29 PM (NUqwG)
Posted by: first and last at May 27, 2015 03:30 PM (xrURQ)
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Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 27, 2015 03:28 PM (10ydV)
A wife WITH a girlfriend...taps chin.... PICK ME PICK ME
A wife WITH a girlfriend...taps chin.... PICK ME PICK ME
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:30 PM (S+el1)
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America needs more ghey.
Posted by: tsj017 at May 27, 2015 03:10 PM (1rDkF)
Ace fabulously recommended the bear-sparring video this morning.
America needs more ghey.
Posted by: tsj017 at May 27, 2015 03:10 PM (1rDkF)
Ace fabulously recommended the bear-sparring video this morning.
Posted by: flounder, now with pregnant hands at May 27, 2015 03:30 PM (ecDRv)
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Bander I'm laughing at myself, not in my nature to be annoying and persistent, but in your last comment you said "let society sort it out" on marriage redefinition.
Um, the closest proxy we have for that is the electoral process. In the US, the topic itself has only ever really been regulated on the state level, thus state laws and referenda. Result? Fairly big thumbs down (forget the numbers, but total population of "no" states much larger than "yes" states for marriage redefinition).
But judicial tyranny, lawlessness, and again the crucial hollowing out of the concept and legal significance of "rights" are simply crushing "society's" take on this, and imposing another one.
And we don't have to wait for judicial tyranny to wreak havoc in the economic sphere, as I probably don't have to remind you. So if you're blase about the civic and constitutional atrocities being committed (I'm leaving out the Third World/sturmabteilung-ish lynch mob behavior on behalf of marriage redefinition), then you seem to have created a compartmentalization in your mind that doesn't correspond to reality. And fiscal insanity, unlike the other maladies most us incl. you oppose, is more self-correcting than the others.
Um, the closest proxy we have for that is the electoral process. In the US, the topic itself has only ever really been regulated on the state level, thus state laws and referenda. Result? Fairly big thumbs down (forget the numbers, but total population of "no" states much larger than "yes" states for marriage redefinition).
But judicial tyranny, lawlessness, and again the crucial hollowing out of the concept and legal significance of "rights" are simply crushing "society's" take on this, and imposing another one.
And we don't have to wait for judicial tyranny to wreak havoc in the economic sphere, as I probably don't have to remind you. So if you're blase about the civic and constitutional atrocities being committed (I'm leaving out the Third World/sturmabteilung-ish lynch mob behavior on behalf of marriage redefinition), then you seem to have created a compartmentalization in your mind that doesn't correspond to reality. And fiscal insanity, unlike the other maladies most us incl. you oppose, is more self-correcting than the others.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 27, 2015 03:30 PM (QDnY+)
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My guess is that the polygamy support comes from women who think that they want to have a girlfriend (thus being feminist and empowered and all that shit),
but also want to be married with kids (because they're actually straight).
That works until hubby starts drilling the 2nd one consistently.
but also want to be married with kids (because they're actually straight).
That works until hubby starts drilling the 2nd one consistently.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 03:30 PM (g+n/q)
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It's a minivan, I think I'm hosed on that one either way
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 03:28 PM (U8W/7)
You need a giant purple stuffed Cookie Monster to ride shotgun and let people know you are John Wayne riding rolling thunder!
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 03:28 PM (U8W/7)
You need a giant purple stuffed Cookie Monster to ride shotgun and let people know you are John Wayne riding rolling thunder!
Posted by: maddogg at May 27, 2015 03:30 PM (xWW96)
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Considering that all issues these days are social issues, and all laws are rooted in one moral framework or another, can't really say I'm too excited about the idea of fixating on the more economically aligned social issues.
Reductions in spending and government programs can be attacked as easily froma leftist moral position as "so-con" positions on gay marriage and abortion can. Witness Obama's verbal diarrhea about Republicans wanting to cut programs and the parade of horribles that are bound to result from that. You don't think that message doesn't resonate with young people as much (or almost as much) as the pro-marriage redefinition one does? Our enemies can make devils out of anyone, and while a lot of fire is directed at institutional social issues, it can easily be more fullyredirected to economic ones once the former is "dealt with"
Considering that all issues these days are social issues, and all laws are rooted in one moral framework or another, can't really say I'm too excited about the idea of fixating on the more economically aligned social issues.
Reductions in spending and government programs can be attacked as easily froma leftist moral position as "so-con" positions on gay marriage and abortion can. Witness Obama's verbal diarrhea about Republicans wanting to cut programs and the parade of horribles that are bound to result from that. You don't think that message doesn't resonate with young people as much (or almost as much) as the pro-marriage redefinition one does? Our enemies can make devils out of anyone, and while a lot of fire is directed at institutional social issues, it can easily be more fullyredirected to economic ones once the former is "dealt with"
Posted by: lurkingestlurker at May 27, 2015 03:30 PM (k8xvx)
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So the stuff I'd like us to unite around is less spending, less borrowing for the spending, lower taxes, etc., etc, etc.
We,
and by we I mean the various stripes of conservatarians in the Horde,
can agree on that stuff. We can still argue about which countries need
bombed now and hard. And we can let society sort out social issues. They
definitely turn potentially open minds into "I won't listen".
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2015 03:16 PM (JtwS4)
Well, there's the problem right there. You seem to lack the understanding that fiscal conservatism necessarily requires some degree of social conservatism as well. Take your gay marriage, for example. One of the talking points belabored by gay marriage supporters is that "gay spouses should be able to have the same tax deductions as heterosexual spouses". You know that has been advocated. So all the queers get married, and the federal (and many State) tax coffers take a big hit. So, what are they going to do, reduce spending? (I kid, I kid). They are going to raise taxes. Your taxes, everybody's taxes.
Don't kid yourself. There is a huge, huge fiscal component to what might be considered "social" issues.
We,
and by we I mean the various stripes of conservatarians in the Horde,
can agree on that stuff. We can still argue about which countries need
bombed now and hard. And we can let society sort out social issues. They
definitely turn potentially open minds into "I won't listen".
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2015 03:16 PM (JtwS4)
Well, there's the problem right there. You seem to lack the understanding that fiscal conservatism necessarily requires some degree of social conservatism as well. Take your gay marriage, for example. One of the talking points belabored by gay marriage supporters is that "gay spouses should be able to have the same tax deductions as heterosexual spouses". You know that has been advocated. So all the queers get married, and the federal (and many State) tax coffers take a big hit. So, what are they going to do, reduce spending? (I kid, I kid). They are going to raise taxes. Your taxes, everybody's taxes.
Don't kid yourself. There is a huge, huge fiscal component to what might be considered "social" issues.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2015 03:30 PM (tQwIz)
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I want me some gloryhole.
Posted by: Jerry Jones at May 27, 2015 03:30 PM (wSv9N)
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One other pet peeve while we are on this subject. I dislike the term social conservative. It is a creature of the MFM who have preached for years that every person who believes in morality or religion is automatically an evil conservative and make up the largest portion of the Republican party.
Believing in religion or morality doesn't make you a conservative, although given their philosophy it is hard to do either if you are a liberal. My prime example of that is Huckabee. He is a tax and spend liberal and supposedly a religious man.
Believing in religion or morality doesn't make you a conservative, although given their philosophy it is hard to do either if you are a liberal. My prime example of that is Huckabee. He is a tax and spend liberal and supposedly a religious man.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 27, 2015 03:30 PM (GpgJl)
Posted by: Lauren at May 27, 2015 03:31 PM (XsasG)
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157 I wonder how many social conservatives waited until marriage to have sex.
Posted by: SFGoth at May 27, 2015 03:16 PM (XOagD)
Sorry...is that an issue? Are we being asked to provide legal protection and cakes for Mary Jane Rottencrotch in the backseat of the Skylark on prom night?
Posted by: SFGoth at May 27, 2015 03:16 PM (XOagD)
Sorry...is that an issue? Are we being asked to provide legal protection and cakes for Mary Jane Rottencrotch in the backseat of the Skylark on prom night?
Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 27, 2015 03:31 PM (vgIRn)
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We'll take it from here.
Posted by: The Gaystapo's Black-Robed Enforcers at May 27, 2015 03:31 PM (XVOlz)
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All of us down at the Brattleboro Women's Reproductive Health Choice
Clinic think the hole country supports President Obama. Brattleboro has led the way for this county to support our Presdent of Color and his policies. Bush lied and the people relize this and now also hate Bush like the rest of the world. We also do not feel sorry for the peeple of TEX-ASS for the weather because Bush is responsible for the global warming that caused this. He lied to the peeple of TEX-AsS and now they have to pay unless they turn around and supports our Presdeent of Color and then things will cahnge.
Clinic think the hole country supports President Obama. Brattleboro has led the way for this county to support our Presdent of Color and his policies. Bush lied and the people relize this and now also hate Bush like the rest of the world. We also do not feel sorry for the peeple of TEX-ASS for the weather because Bush is responsible for the global warming that caused this. He lied to the peeple of TEX-AsS and now they have to pay unless they turn around and supports our Presdeent of Color and then things will cahnge.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at May 27, 2015 03:32 PM (lNSdJ)
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We just don't think. I want to ask anyone in favor of same-sex marriage, "define 'marriage'. Because for a whole lot of them anyway, you'll find they have no real argument for why 'marriage' couldn't include more than two people, or be incestual, or be ended in moment if any party so wills (it need not be permanent), or allow for sexual encounters outside of it. In short "marriage" ends up meaning nothing more than "some people I choose to live with at the moment" - which is a billion miles away from the way that word was interpreted even just 20 years ago. It is not a definitional modification it is a completely new understanding.
Posted by: David at May 27, 2015 03:32 PM (5mPls)
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What's permanent in the world?
Time and boobehs?
Posted by: Jim Scrummy
Death
Taxes
Patriots cheat
Posted by: logprof
Cubs lose
Bears lose
Browns lose
Time and boobehs?
Posted by: Jim Scrummy
Death
Taxes
Patriots cheat
Posted by: logprof
Cubs lose
Bears lose
Browns lose
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 03:32 PM (g+n/q)
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I know, but Honda commercials make it seem they
are aiming their marketing at metrosexuals, faggots, and feminists. i
don't want people wondering about me
Posted by: maddogg at May 27, 2015 03:26 PM (xWW96)
Here in San Diego Cox Communications continues to run a commercial with (what I take to be an obvious*) lesbian actress who appears in polo shirts, has a masculine walk, and who, according to the closing, is "a friend" of someone at Cox Communications.
Kinda ironic, in view of the name of the company.
*It's obvious to me, but then my antennae are well-tuned. It was totally lost on my two teenaged sons.
are aiming their marketing at metrosexuals, faggots, and feminists. i
don't want people wondering about me
Posted by: maddogg at May 27, 2015 03:26 PM (xWW96)
Here in San Diego Cox Communications continues to run a commercial with (what I take to be an obvious*) lesbian actress who appears in polo shirts, has a masculine walk, and who, according to the closing, is "a friend" of someone at Cox Communications.
Kinda ironic, in view of the name of the company.
*It's obvious to me, but then my antennae are well-tuned. It was totally lost on my two teenaged sons.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 03:32 PM (oKE6c)
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My opinion is that these numbers are real and it's no surprise. I believe that since Reagan's election which he won with overwhelming--and vocal-- Christian Evangelical support, the Left has been actively trying to change the morals of the country. It's hard to believe but Jimmy Swaggart and Jerry Falwell and Phyllis Schaftly were once household names. These people scared the shit out of the Left with their open talk of "morality." They are still scared of that word. But what has happened in 35 years? Porn is available 24/7 on all media devices; Strip clubs are all over--and not just on the "seedy side of town."; abortion and out-of wedlock births are both sky high; gay marriage--which wasn't even on gay people's radar enjoys the support of a near majority (and will grow as old people die)----the Left CLEARLY won. They won and yet they still act as though the Moral Majority is going to take all their fun away.
The secret to the Left's success is to keep complaining and frightening their base--as they rack up win after win.
I respect evangelical Christians ( I'm Catholic) for their stands on morality. But I think it's time that the GOP stay away from making moral issues a major part of their platform. Those issues need to be worked on in Churches and within families. It's clearly not working in politics. We lost.
The secret to the Left's success is to keep complaining and frightening their base--as they rack up win after win.
I respect evangelical Christians ( I'm Catholic) for their stands on morality. But I think it's time that the GOP stay away from making moral issues a major part of their platform. Those issues need to be worked on in Churches and within families. It's clearly not working in politics. We lost.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2015 03:32 PM (xTTii)
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Posted by: maddogg at May 27, 2015 03:30 PM (xWW96)
Nothing saysfailed academic stay at home dad, like a dude driving a minivan.
Apparently though I'm rubbing off on my little brother, he changed his twitter profile to "aspiring stay at home dad."
Nothing says
Apparently though I'm rubbing off on my little brother, he changed his twitter profile to "aspiring stay at home dad."
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 03:32 PM (U8W/7)
Posted by: Tony Romo at May 27, 2015 03:33 PM (n6Nt0)
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When social liberals are teachers and are filling our children's heads with mush, what would you expect? They'd like to make pre-school/day care mandatory to get the heads mush-filled earlier.
Posted by: Hank at May 27, 2015 03:33 PM (mb+j8)
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Well, here is the silver lining.....PETA has to be pissed by cause 61% think it's morally OK to buy and wear animal fur.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at May 27, 2015 03:33 PM (/HC6x)
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That works until hubby starts drilling the 2nd one consistently.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 03:30 PM (g+n/q)
Yup, or he comes home to find a packed suitcase waiting for him.
But Millennials think that they're smarter and better than previous generations. They can make all this crap work.
That works until hubby starts drilling the 2nd one consistently.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 03:30 PM (g+n/q)
Yup, or he comes home to find a packed suitcase waiting for him.
But Millennials think that they're smarter and better than previous generations. They can make all this crap work.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 27, 2015 03:33 PM (10ydV)
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Seeing that the gay referendum was voted down in over 30 states not more than ten years ago I find the poll hard to accept.
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 27, 2015 03:33 PM (BoJzR)
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You seem to lack the understanding that fiscal conservatism necessarily requires some degree of social conservatism as well.
Correct, the principles that lead to fiscal conservatism come from a socially conservative worldview. Lacking that worldview you will always begin to tilt inevitably away from conservatism.
How many fiscal conservatives here 5 years ago thought homosexual "marriage" as not just weird but wrong, and a bad idea? 10 years ago? That's how the slide works: unless you have a solid foundation to absolutely hold to, you'll move with culture and peer pressure.
In the end, if something is right, its right even if nobody on earth agrees. And conversely, if something is wrong, its wrong even if everyone likes it.
Correct, the principles that lead to fiscal conservatism come from a socially conservative worldview. Lacking that worldview you will always begin to tilt inevitably away from conservatism.
How many fiscal conservatives here 5 years ago thought homosexual "marriage" as not just weird but wrong, and a bad idea? 10 years ago? That's how the slide works: unless you have a solid foundation to absolutely hold to, you'll move with culture and peer pressure.
In the end, if something is right, its right even if nobody on earth agrees. And conversely, if something is wrong, its wrong even if everyone likes it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 03:34 PM (39g3+)
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"263 157 I wonder how many social conservatives waited until marriage to have sex. "
And? I can recognize my own actions as immoral. It's liberals who want to redefine morality to exclude their sins.
And? I can recognize my own actions as immoral. It's liberals who want to redefine morality to exclude their sins.
Posted by: Lauren at May 27, 2015 03:34 PM (XsasG)
Posted by: Senator Lindsey Graham at May 27, 2015 03:35 PM (XVOlz)
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That works until hubby starts drilling the 2nd one consistently.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 03:30 PM (g+n/q)
This is a pretty demeaning statement that trivializes the importance of fluffers.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 03:30 PM (g+n/q)
This is a pretty demeaning statement that trivializes the importance of fluffers.
Posted by: flounder, now with pregnant hands at May 27, 2015 03:35 PM (ecDRv)
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Cubs lose
Bears lose
Browns lose
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 03:32 PM (g+n/q)
--You're just begging ncj to comment, aren't you?
Bears lose
Browns lose
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 03:32 PM (g+n/q)
--You're just begging ncj to comment, aren't you?
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 03:35 PM (wSv9N)
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Never a permanent change: the society that embraces these suicidal morals will be replaced by one that doesn't. Not complicated.
What I think is odd is that people that rant against Judeo-Christian morals are also ranting against the morals of Darwin. It's no coincidence that they're very similar. And these people are the smart ones?
Paraphrasing someone above: it's all about selfishness and avoiding responsibility when it comes to liberal morals.
What I think is odd is that people that rant against Judeo-Christian morals are also ranting against the morals of Darwin. It's no coincidence that they're very similar. And these people are the smart ones?
Paraphrasing someone above: it's all about selfishness and avoiding responsibility when it comes to liberal morals.
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Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at May 27, 2015 03:33 PM (/HC6x)
But they managed to knock animal testing to 50-something, which is their biggest battle.
But they managed to knock animal testing to 50-something, which is their biggest battle.
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Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2015 03:32 PM (xTTii)
We didn't lose. We have the majority of governorships, state houses / Senates and the majority in the House and Senate.
We didn't lose. We have the majority of governorships, state houses / Senates and the majority in the House and Senate.
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 27, 2015 03:36 PM (BoJzR)
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Anyone here thinking about a Heineken? Totally ghey.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 27, 2015 03:36 PM (oDCMR)
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excuse me, I thought lesbians were gay. Maybe I should start paying attention... or giving a crap
Posted by: wth at May 27, 2015 03:26 PM (wAQA5)
They were, but now they're not. Try to keep up, OK?
Back when the fruits inflicted "gay" on us, it generally meant "homosexual." But then they decided to make it specific to shirtlifters, and to break out carpet munchers explicitly. Now the situation is hopelessly muddled, and whether "gay" includes lesbians or not depends on context.
So, in short, the fruits did to the language what they do to each other.
Posted by: wth at May 27, 2015 03:26 PM (wAQA5)
They were, but now they're not. Try to keep up, OK?
Back when the fruits inflicted "gay" on us, it generally meant "homosexual." But then they decided to make it specific to shirtlifters, and to break out carpet munchers explicitly. Now the situation is hopelessly muddled, and whether "gay" includes lesbians or not depends on context.
So, in short, the fruits did to the language what they do to each other.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 03:36 PM (oKE6c)
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--You're just begging ncj to comment, aren't you?
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 03:35 PM (wSv9N
and AtC.........
--You're just begging ncj to comment, aren't you?
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 03:35 PM (wSv9N
and AtC.........
Posted by: Mi at May 27, 2015 03:36 PM (n6Nt0)
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Well to Alberta Oil Peon's point, that's one of the reasons I was against the Libertarian ideal of not allowing government to promote marriage.
Strong families save society a lot of costs.
The costs of weak families are numerous.
Strong families save society a lot of costs.
The costs of weak families are numerous.
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 03:36 PM (RJMhd)
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Sorry...is that an issue?
He's trying to play the hypocrite card.
Seeing that the gay referendum was voted down in over 30 states not more than ten years ago I find the poll hard to accept.
When was the last actual vote, by people? It passed in New Jersey I think it was? Somewhere in the Northeast. Its been a long time since homosexual "marriage" was banned in a state by popular vote. I doubt it would pass in most states these days. The change has been very fast and very sudden.
He's trying to play the hypocrite card.
Seeing that the gay referendum was voted down in over 30 states not more than ten years ago I find the poll hard to accept.
When was the last actual vote, by people? It passed in New Jersey I think it was? Somewhere in the Northeast. Its been a long time since homosexual "marriage" was banned in a state by popular vote. I doubt it would pass in most states these days. The change has been very fast and very sudden.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 03:37 PM (39g3+)
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" I can recognize my own actions as immoral. It's liberals who want to redefine morality to exclude their sins. "
I get what you are saying and I've always said that "amorality" is scarier than "lmmorality." I KNOW when I am sinning because I am a sinner. Others have no clue.
But it's my soul I have to save; not theirs.
I get what you are saying and I've always said that "amorality" is scarier than "lmmorality." I KNOW when I am sinning because I am a sinner. Others have no clue.
But it's my soul I have to save; not theirs.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2015 03:37 PM (xTTii)
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I think it's time that the GOP stay away from making moral issues a major part of their platform. Those issues need to be worked on in Churches and within families. It's clearly not working in politics. We lost.
Posted by: JoeF.
And I'm sure that dems will never make a moral issue out of:
Immigration
infastructure
Obamacare
spending
more spending
gay marriage
abortion
big bird
gay abortions for big bird
'Cause rethuglickkkkkkkkans started these issues. Bullshit.
Posted by: JoeF.
And I'm sure that dems will never make a moral issue out of:
Immigration
infastructure
Obamacare
spending
more spending
gay marriage
abortion
big bird
gay abortions for big bird
'Cause rethuglickkkkkkkkans started these issues. Bullshit.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 27, 2015 03:38 PM (Spluw)
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--You're just begging ncj to comment, aren't you?
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 03:35 PM (wSv9N
At least were not slamming those losers in Cleveland. The Indians.....
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 03:35 PM (wSv9N
At least were not slamming those losers in Cleveland. The Indians.....
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:38 PM (S+el1)
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Meh. People are bombarded with social leftism 24/7; not only on traditional media, but now, on new media. I suspect many of these respondents are just returning the 'popular' answer. Not a big deal.
Posted by: Afroman at May 27, 2015 03:38 PM (pv+rE)
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271 260 I want me some gloryhole.
Posted by: Jerry Jones at May 27, 2015 03:30 PM (wSv9N)
see me
Posted by: Tony Romo at May 27, 2015 03:33 PM (n6Nt0)
--It never gets old:
http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/jerry-jones-glory-hole/
Posted by: Jerry Jones at May 27, 2015 03:30 PM (wSv9N)
see me
Posted by: Tony Romo at May 27, 2015 03:33 PM (n6Nt0)
--It never gets old:
http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/jerry-jones-glory-hole/
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 03:38 PM (wSv9N)
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I'm sure someone has mentioned the website, Ashley Madison . It's success does kind of support the results of this poll. Sodom .
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 27, 2015 03:39 PM (BoJzR)
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Now the situation is hopelessly muddled, and whether "gay" includes lesbians or not depends on context.
"Queer" used to be a nice broad label, but now it means 8 different things and the only consistency is you're not allowed to use it unless you are.
"Queer" used to be a nice broad label, but now it means 8 different things and the only consistency is you're not allowed to use it unless you are.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 27, 2015 03:40 PM (ZKzrr)
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So, in short, the fruits did to the language what they do to each other.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 03:36 PM (oKE6c)
............................
aha. That explains it.
So, in short, the fruits did to the language what they do to each other.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 03:36 PM (oKE6c)
............................
aha. That explains it.
Posted by: wth at May 27, 2015 03:40 PM (wAQA5)
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Apparently though I'm rubbing off on my little brother
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 03:32 PM (U8W/7)
See! Totes normal!
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 03:32 PM (U8W/7)
See! Totes normal!
Posted by: Lena Dunham at May 27, 2015 03:40 PM (ecDRv)
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>>Take your gay marriage, for example. One of the talking points belabored by gay marriage supporters is that "gay spouses should be able to have the same tax deductions as heterosexual spouses". You know that has been advocated. So all the queers get married, and the federal (and many State) tax coffers take a big hit
Define big hit. I hear on this site almost daily that the gay population in the US is very small, estimates of around 3%. Of that 3%, only a small percentage are rushing to marry. So no, it's not a big hit. And it also goes against the idea that marriage is a stabilizing force on society. That benefit is hard to measure in dollars but it is worth something.
I've always been pretty ambivalent on gay marriage. I don't see it as the end of society as we know it and if it helps put a damper on the gay bathhouse crap which definitely had a high social cost as a breeding ground for shit like HIV then there is some positive aspect.
But the SJWs and the gay mafia are losing my support daily. If you want my support on an issue then make your case on the merits. Try to brow beat me or blackmail me and you lose.
Define big hit. I hear on this site almost daily that the gay population in the US is very small, estimates of around 3%. Of that 3%, only a small percentage are rushing to marry. So no, it's not a big hit. And it also goes against the idea that marriage is a stabilizing force on society. That benefit is hard to measure in dollars but it is worth something.
I've always been pretty ambivalent on gay marriage. I don't see it as the end of society as we know it and if it helps put a damper on the gay bathhouse crap which definitely had a high social cost as a breeding ground for shit like HIV then there is some positive aspect.
But the SJWs and the gay mafia are losing my support daily. If you want my support on an issue then make your case on the merits. Try to brow beat me or blackmail me and you lose.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2015 03:40 PM (g1DWB)
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283, "We didn't lose"
We will if we keep talking about social issues on the NATIONWIDE level--the level that gets covered by the MSM...
We will if we keep talking about social issues on the NATIONWIDE level--the level that gets covered by the MSM...
Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2015 03:40 PM (xTTii)
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He said "poll", not "pole", Lindsey.
Posted by: Achmed the Goatfcuker at May 27, 2015 03:41 PM (/Ho8c)
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Correct, the principles that lead to fiscal conservatism come from a socially conservative worldview. Lacking that worldview you will always begin to tilt inevitably away from conservatism.
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Exhibit 1
"Nobody in their right mind wants to raise kids as a single mother! Its nuts to think that giving these poor women a bit of subsistence money will increase the number or make it socially acceptable!" [circa late 60s, early 70s]
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Exhibit 1
"Nobody in their right mind wants to raise kids as a single mother! Its nuts to think that giving these poor women a bit of subsistence money will increase the number or make it socially acceptable!" [circa late 60s, early 70s]
Posted by: Bigby's Work Gloves at May 27, 2015 03:41 PM (Cq0oW)
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. And fiscal insanity, unlike the other maladies most us incl. you oppose, is more self-correcting than the others.
Yeah, but that self-correction is going to leave a mark!
You and a couple of other posters are making a process argument. We're getting gay marriage via judicial overreach and watch out what they overreach for next time. I get that. It's a totally valid argument.
I'm saying that if our messaging is all "intolerant" (I know, I know, we're among friends, this is shorthand) then no one will listen to the economic and national security arguments.
. And fiscal insanity, unlike the other maladies most us incl. you oppose, is more self-correcting than the others.
Yeah, but that self-correction is going to leave a mark!
You and a couple of other posters are making a process argument. We're getting gay marriage via judicial overreach and watch out what they overreach for next time. I get that. It's a totally valid argument.
I'm saying that if our messaging is all "intolerant" (I know, I know, we're among friends, this is shorthand) then no one will listen to the economic and national security arguments.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2015 03:42 PM (JtwS4)
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I do think the unbelievably overwhelming ocean of porn on the internet is having an effect on society and culture. People's perceptions of reality and morality are corroded by this to some degree, at least.
I mean, just this morning someone implied that Josh Duggar groped his little sisters because he had limited porn access on the computer. See what not getting porn does to you? I turns you into a pervert!
I mean, just this morning someone implied that Josh Duggar groped his little sisters because he had limited porn access on the computer. See what not getting porn does to you? I turns you into a pervert!
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 03:42 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 27, 2015 03:42 PM (BoJzR)
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We're going to hell in a handbasket. And I'm not taking about the afterlife.
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at May 27, 2015 03:42 PM (nBiPV)
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" I can recognize my own actions as immoral. It's liberals who want to redefine morality to exclude their sins. "
I get what you are saying and I've always said that "amorality" is
scarier than "lmmorality." I KNOW when I am sinning because I am a
sinner. Others have no clue.
That's the driving force behind gay "marriage" and dissatisfaction with domestic partnerships. It's an effort to force the State to 'forgive sin'. When the State is your god , it has that power.
" I can recognize my own actions as immoral. It's liberals who want to redefine morality to exclude their sins. "
I get what you are saying and I've always said that "amorality" is
scarier than "lmmorality." I KNOW when I am sinning because I am a
sinner. Others have no clue.
That's the driving force behind gay "marriage" and dissatisfaction with domestic partnerships. It's an effort to force the State to 'forgive sin'. When the State is your god , it has that power.
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Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2015 03:40 PM (xTTii)
We just won the Senate and increased the majority in the House.
We just won the Senate and increased the majority in the House.
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 27, 2015 03:44 PM (BoJzR)
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nood.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 03:44 PM (g+n/q)
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I've always been pretty ambivalent on gay marriage. I don't see it as the end of society as we know it and if it helps put a damper on the gay bathhouse crap which definitely had a high social cost as a breeding ground for shit like HIV then there is some positive aspect.
There's zero evidence that homosexual "marriage" is having the slightest effect on this behavior or promiscuity at any level among homosexuals. Zero.
[]I'm saying that if our messaging is all "intolerant" (I know, I know, we're among friends, this is shorthand) then no one will listen to the economic and national security arguments.
And we're saying that if you think that fiscal issues are never attacked by the left in the same manner, or shut down by listeners because they associate it with evil, you're inconceivably out of touch.
There's zero evidence that homosexual "marriage" is having the slightest effect on this behavior or promiscuity at any level among homosexuals. Zero.
[]I'm saying that if our messaging is all "intolerant" (I know, I know, we're among friends, this is shorthand) then no one will listen to the economic and national security arguments.
And we're saying that if you think that fiscal issues are never attacked by the left in the same manner, or shut down by listeners because they associate it with evil, you're inconceivably out of touch.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 03:45 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Country Singer at May 27, 2015 03:45 PM (8hctH)
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Love it!
Apples Solar Panels Catch Fire As It Touts Green Data Centers
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Apples Solar Panels Catch Fire As It Touts Green Data Centers
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Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:46 PM (S+el1)
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Posted by: Lauren at May 27, 2015 03:34 PM (XsasG)
As a kinda social conservative, I made it to 3 weeks out of my wedding after datinfor 5 years an engaged for 16 months.
I'm fine with that being the yardstick.
As a kinda social conservative, I made it to 3 weeks out of my wedding after datinfor 5 years an engaged for 16 months.
I'm fine with that being the yardstick.
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 03:46 PM (U8W/7)
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Washington State, 2012, voters passed homosexual "marriage" referendum.
Maryland, 2012, voters passed homosexual "marriage" referendum.
All the most recent votes have pushed through legalizing it. Things have changed. And why? Because the left never gave up pushing for it no matter how badly they lost or how much it cost them politically.
Maryland, 2012, voters passed homosexual "marriage" referendum.
All the most recent votes have pushed through legalizing it. Things have changed. And why? Because the left never gave up pushing for it no matter how badly they lost or how much it cost them politically.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 03:48 PM (39g3+)
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I'm guessing 2008 in California.
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 27, 2015 03:42 PM (BoJzR)
IIRC, we voted twice to ban homosexual marriage, but both times fruit judges in black muu-muus* decided we'd gotten it wrong and overturned the resulting law.
Why we bother to vote is an open question.
*As an aside, note the role of bullshit social "science" studies in the second decision. Judge Lance Fabulous ruled overturned the law because the AG Jerry Brown (as he was at the time, IIRC) proffered no "scientific" evidence supporting Prop. 8, whereas the fags had (ahem) a whole buttload. Note also the kabuki here: Jerry Brown made clear beforehand that he didn't support the law, and did a swan dive right into the tank during the litigation.
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 27, 2015 03:42 PM (BoJzR)
IIRC, we voted twice to ban homosexual marriage, but both times fruit judges in black muu-muus* decided we'd gotten it wrong and overturned the resulting law.
Why we bother to vote is an open question.
*As an aside, note the role of bullshit social "science" studies in the second decision. Judge Lance Fabulous ruled overturned the law because the AG Jerry Brown (as he was at the time, IIRC) proffered no "scientific" evidence supporting Prop. 8, whereas the fags had (ahem) a whole buttload. Note also the kabuki here: Jerry Brown made clear beforehand that he didn't support the law, and did a swan dive right into the tank during the litigation.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 03:49 PM (oKE6c)
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Brattleboro is proud to accept all Gays and lesbians of any color in our town. Does your city or town also accept these persons????
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at May 27, 2015 03:49 PM (lNSdJ)
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Filmed in Hillcrest?
Posted by: Country Singer at May 27, 2015 03:45 PM (8hctH)
Probably where they recruited her from.
Posted by: Country Singer at May 27, 2015 03:45 PM (8hctH)
Probably where they recruited her from.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 03:50 PM (oKE6c)
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"I've always been pretty ambivalent on gay marriage."
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But gay divorce will be awesome. Talk about Crazytown.
"I've always been pretty ambivalent on gay marriage."
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But gay divorce will be awesome. Talk about Crazytown.
Posted by: wth at May 27, 2015 03:50 PM (wAQA5)
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315 Brattleboro is proud to accept all Gays and lesbians of any color in our town. Does your city or town also accept these persons????
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at May 27, 2015 03:49 PM (lNSdJ)
No. We ship 'em to Brattleboro.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at May 27, 2015 03:49 PM (lNSdJ)
No. We ship 'em to Brattleboro.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 03:51 PM (oKE6c)
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"But gay divorce will be awesome. Talk about Crazytown."
Cops hate responding to domestic violence calls in the first place, but they utterly loathe responding to a *gay* domestic. All the bad shit of a DV call, with heaping extra helpings of nuttiness thrown in.
Cops hate responding to domestic violence calls in the first place, but they utterly loathe responding to a *gay* domestic. All the bad shit of a DV call, with heaping extra helpings of nuttiness thrown in.
Posted by: torquewrench at May 27, 2015 03:53 PM (noWW6)
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Define big hit. I hear on this site almost daily
that the gay population in the US is very small, estimates of around 3%.
Of that 3%, only a small percentage are rushing to marry. So no, it's
not a big hit. And it also goes against the idea that marriage is a
stabilizing force on society. That benefit is hard to measure in dollars
but it is worth something.
I've always been pretty ambivalent on gay marriage. I don't see it
as the end of society as we know it and if it helps put a damper on the
gay bathhouse crap which definitely had a high social cost as a breeding
ground for shit like HIV then there is some positive aspect.
But the SJWs and the gay mafia are losing my support daily. If you
want my support on an issue then make your case on the merits. Try to
brow beat me or blackmail me and you lose.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2015 03:40 PM (g1DWB)
Well, it's fairly well known that gay males tend to cluster at the higher end of the wage scale. At least the annoying ones that campaign for gay marriage do. So if they all get married, the governments' tax take from that segment does take a big hit. And it's not just taxes; it's benefits, too. The money for which all has to come from somewhere.
And there is no evidence to show that gay marriage would end the rampant promiscuity that characterizes the gay scene. Why would it?
I am not solely attacking gay marriage here; it's just a convenient example. But drugs, out-of-wedlock children, abortion, you name it, they all wind up costing taxpayer's dollars in the end, when somebody has to pick up the pieces.
that the gay population in the US is very small, estimates of around 3%.
Of that 3%, only a small percentage are rushing to marry. So no, it's
not a big hit. And it also goes against the idea that marriage is a
stabilizing force on society. That benefit is hard to measure in dollars
but it is worth something.
I've always been pretty ambivalent on gay marriage. I don't see it
as the end of society as we know it and if it helps put a damper on the
gay bathhouse crap which definitely had a high social cost as a breeding
ground for shit like HIV then there is some positive aspect.
But the SJWs and the gay mafia are losing my support daily. If you
want my support on an issue then make your case on the merits. Try to
brow beat me or blackmail me and you lose.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 27, 2015 03:40 PM (g1DWB)
Well, it's fairly well known that gay males tend to cluster at the higher end of the wage scale. At least the annoying ones that campaign for gay marriage do. So if they all get married, the governments' tax take from that segment does take a big hit. And it's not just taxes; it's benefits, too. The money for which all has to come from somewhere.
And there is no evidence to show that gay marriage would end the rampant promiscuity that characterizes the gay scene. Why would it?
I am not solely attacking gay marriage here; it's just a convenient example. But drugs, out-of-wedlock children, abortion, you name it, they all wind up costing taxpayer's dollars in the end, when somebody has to pick up the pieces.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2015 03:53 PM (tQwIz)
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"if it helps put a damper on the gay bathhouse crap which definitely had a high social cost as a breeding ground for shit like HIV then there is some positive aspect"
And your evidence that bathhouses and aids will decrease because of ghey marriage? after you have said only 5% of gays marry and they are mostly lesbians?
Ghey marriage brings NO benefits at all to society except for gay marriage planners, gay divorce lawyers and I am not even sure about this because in every country where gay marriage became law, straight marriage dropped consistently, which means less work for marriage planners and divorce lawyer.
You are also underestimating the negative influence in society of all those designer/lab babies purchased by ghey couples. The ones from 2 'dads' have homosexuality as a model (the big secret that nobody wants to tell is that you look up at your parents and you tend to replicate some of their good traits but also some of their bad traits), the ones from lesbians grow thinking men are bad.
It is forbidden to make studies on those children because gheys are magic and nothing bad can surround them. All cases of pedophilia among gay couples are hidden and buried under the sand (unlike the Duggart).
If single motherhood created disasters, wait for the offspring of gays. Every operator that works with adopted children will tell you that the thought of knowing your origins is paramount, so much that there are laws that guarantee the child some rights in this respect when he turns 18. How come you never hear this from sons of gheys? Beside the brainwashing they receive from their mobsters fathers/mothers.
And your evidence that bathhouses and aids will decrease because of ghey marriage? after you have said only 5% of gays marry and they are mostly lesbians?
Ghey marriage brings NO benefits at all to society except for gay marriage planners, gay divorce lawyers and I am not even sure about this because in every country where gay marriage became law, straight marriage dropped consistently, which means less work for marriage planners and divorce lawyer.
You are also underestimating the negative influence in society of all those designer/lab babies purchased by ghey couples. The ones from 2 'dads' have homosexuality as a model (the big secret that nobody wants to tell is that you look up at your parents and you tend to replicate some of their good traits but also some of their bad traits), the ones from lesbians grow thinking men are bad.
It is forbidden to make studies on those children because gheys are magic and nothing bad can surround them. All cases of pedophilia among gay couples are hidden and buried under the sand (unlike the Duggart).
If single motherhood created disasters, wait for the offspring of gays. Every operator that works with adopted children will tell you that the thought of knowing your origins is paramount, so much that there are laws that guarantee the child some rights in this respect when he turns 18. How come you never hear this from sons of gheys? Beside the brainwashing they receive from their mobsters fathers/mothers.
Posted by: fromabroad at May 27, 2015 03:54 PM (rnV3B)
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"Nobody in their right mind wants to raise kids as a single mother! .."
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Bullshit!
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Bullshit!
Posted by: The Hollywood Chapter of the Murphy Brown Fanclub at May 27, 2015 03:56 PM (n6Nt0)
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The thing of it is, since the GOP abandoned social issues (right around 2007/0
they have really had no identity. They really didn't stand for anything other than social conservatism, and with that gone, they've become periwinkle Democrats.
they have really had no identity. They really didn't stand for anything other than social conservatism, and with that gone, they've become periwinkle Democrats. Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at May 27, 2015 03:56 PM (O7MnT)
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At least were not slamming those losers in Cleveland. The Indians.....
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:38 PM (S+el1
Once a mistake on the lake, always a mistake on the lake, amirite?
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 03:38 PM (S+el1
Once a mistake on the lake, always a mistake on the lake, amirite?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 27, 2015 03:58 PM (n6Nt0)
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They really didn't stand for anything other than social conservatism, and with that gone, they've become periwinkle Democrats.
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Look..., I had no idea that voting to end debate on Lynch's nomination would result in her confirmation. Swearsies.
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Look..., I had no idea that voting to end debate on Lynch's nomination would result in her confirmation. Swearsies.
Posted by: Thom 'Backstabber' Tillis at May 27, 2015 03:59 PM (n6Nt0)
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>>319 "But gay divorce will be awesome. Talk about Crazytown."
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F*cking cool. New episodes of COPS
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F*cking cool. New episodes of COPS
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 27, 2015 04:00 PM (n6Nt0)
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The Indians smoked the Rangers today. Carrasco got me 26 points in my keeper league.
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 27, 2015 04:00 PM (2cS/G)
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I've always been pretty ambivalent on gay marriage. I don't see it as the end of society as we know it and if it helps put a damper on the gay bathhouse crap which definitely had a high social cost as a breeding ground for shit like HIV then there is some positive aspect.
It won't. The left has never seen gay marriage as a way to change gay culture to be more straight, but vice versa. Places like the NYT, salon.com, Slate, etc, all have advocated some variation of the argument, "Gays aren't monogamous. Therefor, we shouldn't expect gay marriage to be monogamous. Instead, straights need to get rid of their expectations of monogamy and see that open relationships are just as valid and equal lifestyles."
It won't. The left has never seen gay marriage as a way to change gay culture to be more straight, but vice versa. Places like the NYT, salon.com, Slate, etc, all have advocated some variation of the argument, "Gays aren't monogamous. Therefor, we shouldn't expect gay marriage to be monogamous. Instead, straights need to get rid of their expectations of monogamy and see that open relationships are just as valid and equal lifestyles."
Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 27, 2015 04:00 PM (10ydV)
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Name a TV show without a gay character.
Arrow and Strike Back.
Both are about killing bad guys, so not as much time devoted to interpersonal relationships.
I'm thinking you didn't watch Arrow S2 (Canary/Nyssa prior ship was pretty clear).
Arrow and Strike Back.
Both are about killing bad guys, so not as much time devoted to interpersonal relationships.
I'm thinking you didn't watch Arrow S2 (Canary/Nyssa prior ship was pretty clear).
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at May 27, 2015 04:00 PM (DT3rQ)
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Look..., I had no idea that voting to end debate on Lynch's nomination would result in her confirmation. Swearsies.
Posted by: Thom 'Backstabber' Tillis at May 27, 2015 03:59 PM (n6Nt0)
You too?
Posted by: Thom 'Backstabber' Tillis at May 27, 2015 03:59 PM (n6Nt0)
You too?
Posted by: Ron Johnson 1 term GOP senator from WI at May 27, 2015 04:00 PM (n6Nt0)
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The magic negro character, a must-have for late 90s/early 2000s movies, has been replaced with the magic gay guy/lesbian girl in many films.
Posted by: Sphynx at May 27, 2015 03:24 PM (OZmbA)
These characters are also becoming stale and boring. We need something new. Maybe wisecracking cats?
Posted by: Sphynx at May 27, 2015 03:24 PM (OZmbA)
These characters are also becoming stale and boring. We need something new. Maybe wisecracking cats?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Salutes All Who Have Protected Our American Right To Gripe! at May 27, 2015 04:01 PM (hLRSq)
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Look..., I had no idea that voting to end debate on Lynch's nomination would result in her confirmation. Swearsies.
Posted by: Thom 'Backstabber' Tillis at May 27, 2015 03:59 PM (n6Nt0)
You too?
Posted by: Ron Johnson 1 term GOP senator
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Look..., don't worry about this, we did what was right for us politically.
Posted by: Thom 'Backstabber' Tillis at May 27, 2015 03:59 PM (n6Nt0)
You too?
Posted by: Ron Johnson 1 term GOP senator
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Look..., don't worry about this, we did what was right for us politically.
Posted by: Richard 'Backstabber' Burr (GOPe-NC) at May 27, 2015 04:02 PM (n6Nt0)
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>>I've always been pretty ambivalent on gay marriage. I don't see it as the end of society as we know it
I tend to see it as a symptom/effect of a sick society, rather than a cause. When a society has reached a point where it cares more about stuff like gay marriage than it does about sustaining its economy and culture, it's pretty much headed for the Alps with bipolar German at the controls.
I tend to see it as a symptom/effect of a sick society, rather than a cause. When a society has reached a point where it cares more about stuff like gay marriage than it does about sustaining its economy and culture, it's pretty much headed for the Alps with bipolar German at the controls.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at May 27, 2015 04:03 PM (O7MnT)
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Germany, 1933: 84.3% of polled Germans agree, Jews should be gassed!
Ex-America, 2015: 63% of Americans who like pole agree, inserting male penis into male anus is normal!
Ex-America, 2015: 63% of Americans who like pole agree, inserting male penis into male anus is normal!
Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at May 27, 2015 04:05 PM (sCHw2)
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Volokh has a thread on adultery that makes interesting reading. Once you throw out traditional arguments for marriage, you end up having strange discussions about adultery that appear to lead directly into arguments for polygamy.
Imagine that.
Imagine that.
Posted by: Feh at May 27, 2015 04:10 PM (BkeAv)
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I do think this represents an actual change. A permanent one? Who knows. What's permanent in the world?
My lady friend pretends to be all pro-gay in a haughty holier-than-thou manner, but refuses to do the BuddyPC-sandwich and shower scene with the best galpal.
My lady friend pretends to be all pro-gay in a haughty holier-than-thou manner, but refuses to do the BuddyPC-sandwich and shower scene with the best galpal.
Posted by: BuddyPC at May 27, 2015 04:24 PM (jfUIE)
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I suspect a lot of people are afraid to answer honestly nowadays.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 27, 2015 04:34 PM (nSQGW)
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What do you mean "we", white man?
Posted by: Bitch McConnell at May 27, 2015 04:39 PM (fiRHA)
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Degenerate. Simply as that. We're all sinners, but more and more of us have simply decided not to give a shit about it.
Posted by: WVinMN at May 27, 2015 04:42 PM (TSp48)
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the marriage "subsidy" is for children, as I see it. So just subsidize the kids, not the marriage. But the tax benefits ... idk, but the big issue is when gays or straights marry at 55, so they can marry into pension and health care benefits that the other has earned for themselves only. But they marry and in public pensions, the taxpayer doles out an extra million or so, in the old people's marriage of convenience, when one spouse dies early.
So eliminate that for both gays and straights ... they earned it for one. There is no longer the little barefoot woman in the kitchen, that needs government to give hubby's pension to her since she dedicated 30 years of her life to raising kids and serving Daddy. Women are equal now, we don't need to give pensions to the new 55 year old spouse of convenience, when they figure out a spouse can get half the pension, or get the government health care for a reserve that "served" 20 years. That's in quotes for those that never really planned to serve, or weighed 360 pounds and were never fit for battle. Most served honorably ... God bless you.
So eliminate that for both gays and straights ... they earned it for one. There is no longer the little barefoot woman in the kitchen, that needs government to give hubby's pension to her since she dedicated 30 years of her life to raising kids and serving Daddy. Women are equal now, we don't need to give pensions to the new 55 year old spouse of convenience, when they figure out a spouse can get half the pension, or get the government health care for a reserve that "served" 20 years. That's in quotes for those that never really planned to serve, or weighed 360 pounds and were never fit for battle. Most served honorably ... God bless you.
Posted by: Illiniwek at May 27, 2015 04:50 PM (QGjci)
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Big deal. There was a higher percentage of "social liberals" in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Posted by: The Spelling Police at May 27, 2015 04:56 PM (F9l4e)
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and zombie is correct ... answer a poll question as a conservative and who knows if you get audited, or investigated, or whatever. Who knows what arsehole is calling?
Besides that, many hold the same values, but are more willing to state that others are free to be gay, have abortions, etc. ... but that doesn't mean they think it is right. They are more open to "live and let live" perhaps, but they may still think we desperately need a return to values.
And as younger people age and get into these polls, we find the consequences of letting liberal teachers, sold out to their union mafia, control the dialogue. And college is pumping out leftist stooges, so of course the polls will move toward the brain dead youth.
Besides that, many hold the same values, but are more willing to state that others are free to be gay, have abortions, etc. ... but that doesn't mean they think it is right. They are more open to "live and let live" perhaps, but they may still think we desperately need a return to values.
And as younger people age and get into these polls, we find the consequences of letting liberal teachers, sold out to their union mafia, control the dialogue. And college is pumping out leftist stooges, so of course the polls will move toward the brain dead youth.
Posted by: Illiniwek at May 27, 2015 04:59 PM (QGjci)
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"but the big issue is when gays or straights marry at 55, so they can marry into pension and health care benefits that the other has earned for themselves only"
you will not be able to. The number of gays marrying a 20+ younger boy is big, superior in percentage to the number of rich and old men who are able to snatch a young bimbo, they will never allow it.
"There is no longer the little barefoot woman in the kitchen, that needs government to give hubby's pension to her since she dedicated 30 years of her life to raising kids and serving Daddy. "
most women dedicated to family are conservative, you are alienating them.
you will not be able to. The number of gays marrying a 20+ younger boy is big, superior in percentage to the number of rich and old men who are able to snatch a young bimbo, they will never allow it.
"There is no longer the little barefoot woman in the kitchen, that needs government to give hubby's pension to her since she dedicated 30 years of her life to raising kids and serving Daddy. "
most women dedicated to family are conservative, you are alienating them.
Posted by: fromabroad at May 27, 2015 05:02 PM (rnV3B)
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Just because DC, NY and Hollywood decided to change the list of virtues, does not mean we all have to do the same.
Good grief, are we a nation of 14yr old kids jumping off a cliff cause their peers asked them to?
Good grief, are we a nation of 14yr old kids jumping off a cliff cause their peers asked them to?
Posted by: pam at May 27, 2015 05:06 PM (EAZ7y)
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How morally bankrupt do you have to be to believe "Married people having affairs? Yeah, I'm FOR that!"?
Posted by: RKae at May 27, 2015 05:23 PM (+Jy5S)
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So if I'm socially liberal: being bisexual, happily married polyamorist, pro-gay marriage (but also don't believe that religious people ought be coerced into doing things contrary to their beliefs by anyone, public or private)
BUT...
I'm fiscally conservative, anti-Leviathan, am pro intervention when the intervention is limited to killing bad people and blowing their shit up (with the strong caveat that this is approved by an actual congressional resolution, not simply an executive action), am I an establishment Republican?
As for the poll, it honestly doesn't bother me. Frankly culture swings and saws back and forth so much I take it as a barometer for decline with a big-ass grain of salt.
The Roman Empire of the Antonines was a place of pagan decadence, pseudo-Epicurean debauchery satirized by everyone from Petronius to Juvenal. Yet it straddled the world and left an institution strong enough to survive an early bubonic plague, a century of corrupt, awful emperors to follow and constant civil war.
The Roman Emperor by the time of Theodosius was an empire much more socially conservative and fervently religious thanks to its newfound adherence to Christianity. And it was seventy years shy of ceasing to exist in the west, though it would continue in the East.
I think social conservatives like to look at the mores of their time and see in them the source of all ills. Its a bit too easy and subjective for my taste.
BUT...
I'm fiscally conservative, anti-Leviathan, am pro intervention when the intervention is limited to killing bad people and blowing their shit up (with the strong caveat that this is approved by an actual congressional resolution, not simply an executive action), am I an establishment Republican?
As for the poll, it honestly doesn't bother me. Frankly culture swings and saws back and forth so much I take it as a barometer for decline with a big-ass grain of salt.
The Roman Empire of the Antonines was a place of pagan decadence, pseudo-Epicurean debauchery satirized by everyone from Petronius to Juvenal. Yet it straddled the world and left an institution strong enough to survive an early bubonic plague, a century of corrupt, awful emperors to follow and constant civil war.
The Roman Emperor by the time of Theodosius was an empire much more socially conservative and fervently religious thanks to its newfound adherence to Christianity. And it was seventy years shy of ceasing to exist in the west, though it would continue in the East.
I think social conservatives like to look at the mores of their time and see in them the source of all ills. Its a bit too easy and subjective for my taste.
Posted by: KoshNaranek at May 27, 2015 05:27 PM (ABCH+)
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@333 Gregory of Yardale
"I tend to see it as a symptom/effect of a sick society, rather than a cause."
Thats my take on it as well. There are other examples out there. Eg. The level of acceptance by the citizens of corrupt public institutions and it's servants. Encouraging young women to be accepted into the ranks of combat arms is also a symptom. A society that encourages young women, young mothers, to be soldiers isn't a healthy society.
"I tend to see it as a symptom/effect of a sick society, rather than a cause."
Thats my take on it as well. There are other examples out there. Eg. The level of acceptance by the citizens of corrupt public institutions and it's servants. Encouraging young women to be accepted into the ranks of combat arms is also a symptom. A society that encourages young women, young mothers, to be soldiers isn't a healthy society.
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at May 27, 2015 05:46 PM (9Xfu/)
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"but also don't believe that religious people ought be coerced into doing things contrary to their beliefs by anyone, public or private"
see how well this has been working so far?
Fag marriage was never about the bullshits of gays visiting partners in hospital. It was to marginalize conservatives due to sheer hatred, punishing Christians and moving the goalpost for the left on sexuality and related.
Fag marriage from day one came with the above baggage, as much as the abolition of the death penalty inevitably came with the reduction of all sentences in length, so you have this result that abolishing the death penalty for atrocious crimes lead to a 'life' in jail, then it turned out it wasn't really a 'life' it was just 30 years, then those 30 years became 20 because jails are too crowded, then they become 10 years with the chance to work outside.
Same goes for fag marriage. first it was 'we just want to be able to spread aids among ourselves freely', then marriage, then children, then bringing gender theories in the kindergarten, then teaching anal sex to teenagers in schools, then showing in every TV show that homosexuality makes you more beautiful, more intelligent and richer, then since you are superior to the Neanderthal hetero, you can also decide who should live in peace (dar al gay islam) and who should be submitted and converted with the sword (dar al gay harb).
I predicted here that no VIP or celebrity would say they would prefer a straight son. Just the other month, Kelly Clarkson (I admit not the brightest of the bulb) said that she would be totally fine with having a gay son. Imagine the outcry for saying the opposite.
Whoever let the first step, is responsible for the rest, since they were all linked with chain and they cannot be reversed.
see how well this has been working so far?
Fag marriage was never about the bullshits of gays visiting partners in hospital. It was to marginalize conservatives due to sheer hatred, punishing Christians and moving the goalpost for the left on sexuality and related.
Fag marriage from day one came with the above baggage, as much as the abolition of the death penalty inevitably came with the reduction of all sentences in length, so you have this result that abolishing the death penalty for atrocious crimes lead to a 'life' in jail, then it turned out it wasn't really a 'life' it was just 30 years, then those 30 years became 20 because jails are too crowded, then they become 10 years with the chance to work outside.
Same goes for fag marriage. first it was 'we just want to be able to spread aids among ourselves freely', then marriage, then children, then bringing gender theories in the kindergarten, then teaching anal sex to teenagers in schools, then showing in every TV show that homosexuality makes you more beautiful, more intelligent and richer, then since you are superior to the Neanderthal hetero, you can also decide who should live in peace (dar al gay islam) and who should be submitted and converted with the sword (dar al gay harb).
I predicted here that no VIP or celebrity would say they would prefer a straight son. Just the other month, Kelly Clarkson (I admit not the brightest of the bulb) said that she would be totally fine with having a gay son. Imagine the outcry for saying the opposite.
Whoever let the first step, is responsible for the rest, since they were all linked with chain and they cannot be reversed.
Posted by: fromabroad at May 27, 2015 05:46 PM (rnV3B)
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This is just the normalization of social decay.
Posted by: The Political Hat at May 27, 2015 06:18 PM (itfg0)
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One third of people don't answer, through all the years of results (give or take a few points). So, first take is it only shows the tendencies of the ideologically committed.
Second, I think the recent rise in 'libertarianism' amongst the disaffected youth may play a role in this- and many of them will change in coming years.
Those, combined with the fact that conservatives don't do polls much anymore (as discussed earlier), seem to me to point to stasis at worst.
Not so bad.
Second, I think the recent rise in 'libertarianism' amongst the disaffected youth may play a role in this- and many of them will change in coming years.
Those, combined with the fact that conservatives don't do polls much anymore (as discussed earlier), seem to me to point to stasis at worst.
Not so bad.
Posted by: Wysiwyg Mtwzzyzx at May 27, 2015 06:30 PM (98Feg)
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There are Gallup polls pre-Holder lawsuit and post-Holder lawsuit. Which ones do you think favor democrats more?
Posted by: Leo at May 27, 2015 06:42 PM (Uff7i)
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i think this poll reflects the fear that many conservatives have in voicing their opinions.
that and herd mentality...
that and herd mentality...
Posted by: Shoey at May 27, 2015 06:46 PM (vA94g)
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i think this poll reflects the fear that many conservatives have in voicing their opinions.
that and herd mentality...
that and herd mentality...
Posted by: Shoey at May 27, 2015 06:46 PM (vA94g)
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there is a long term trend here
Posted by: righter at May 27, 2015 07:26 PM (r6HrP)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 27, 2015 08:22 PM (rwI+c)
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"Supporting dr assistance in suicide is crazy. As a handicapped person I never want to look at my dr and wonder if he or she think it's better to kill people like me. "
Oh they will only require that you be informed of your options.
Like, everytime you renew prescriptions, you'll be encouraged to kill yourself.
Oh they will only require that you be informed of your options.
Like, everytime you renew prescriptions, you'll be encouraged to kill yourself.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at May 27, 2015 09:03 PM (L19NA)
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"Because just like the left, Bachmann/Huckabee/Santorum believe all issues of morality must be made at the federal level. "
Hey Perry wanted authority over me and I don't live in Texas. So it was kind of relevant, how he used such authority as he's had. If he can be "ambushed" by his record he's not ready for primetime.
Hey Perry wanted authority over me and I don't live in Texas. So it was kind of relevant, how he used such authority as he's had. If he can be "ambushed" by his record he's not ready for primetime.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at May 27, 2015 09:11 PM (L19NA)
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Ace,
Any chance you'll let me comment here. - I have something extremely important to point out.
Any chance you'll let me comment here. - I have something extremely important to point out.
Posted by: _Dave_ at May 28, 2015 01:53 AM (l0oEf)
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Okay, well, I'll take a shot. Probably my comment is only being allowed to stand due to the fact that the thread is old (the party is over), and so no one is monitoring it.
So here is what I would like to be noted:
The approval of Gay or lesbian relationships jumped by 23 points between 2001 and 2015. - The polling statement of this issue is framed quite vaguely.
On the one hand, most of us (conservatives like you and yours truly) have no problem with such relationships. (Why would we!) On the other hand, many of us (including yours truly) believe that what marriage definitely is/was defined long ago and based (though not literature-explicitly) on biological differences. (-Here, see Mollie Hemingway's _The Rise Of The Same-Sex Marriage Dissidents_ on April 8 2014. - It concisely - though non-rigorously - explains these essential differences.)
But _REMEMBER_ that in the 2004 Presidential election cycle there was a significant number of State constitutional amendment measures explicitly defining marriage as being between one man and one woman on the ballot.
Nearly all (if not, all) of these measures passed! It even passed in northern, _liberal_ States!
Obviously that huge 23 point jump does NOT reflect the nation's attitude toward what marriage actually is.
But more importantly than that: IT SUGGESTS THAT THE NATION IS READY TO BE LED ON THAT (and other) ISSUE (s).
That is: a bold political leader willing to speak directly to the nation can play a huge part in _SHAPING_ public opinion - especially public opinion that is generally sympathetic to a solid and longstanding notion (like what marriage actually is and has always been).
I hope you read this. Soberly submitted.
Okay, well, I'll take a shot. Probably my comment is only being allowed to stand due to the fact that the thread is old (the party is over), and so no one is monitoring it.
So here is what I would like to be noted:
The approval of Gay or lesbian relationships jumped by 23 points between 2001 and 2015. - The polling statement of this issue is framed quite vaguely.
On the one hand, most of us (conservatives like you and yours truly) have no problem with such relationships. (Why would we!) On the other hand, many of us (including yours truly) believe that what marriage definitely is/was defined long ago and based (though not literature-explicitly) on biological differences. (-Here, see Mollie Hemingway's _The Rise Of The Same-Sex Marriage Dissidents_ on April 8 2014. - It concisely - though non-rigorously - explains these essential differences.)
But _REMEMBER_ that in the 2004 Presidential election cycle there was a significant number of State constitutional amendment measures explicitly defining marriage as being between one man and one woman on the ballot.
Nearly all (if not, all) of these measures passed! It even passed in northern, _liberal_ States!
Obviously that huge 23 point jump does NOT reflect the nation's attitude toward what marriage actually is.
But more importantly than that: IT SUGGESTS THAT THE NATION IS READY TO BE LED ON THAT (and other) ISSUE (s).
That is: a bold political leader willing to speak directly to the nation can play a huge part in _SHAPING_ public opinion - especially public opinion that is generally sympathetic to a solid and longstanding notion (like what marriage actually is and has always been).
I hope you read this. Soberly submitted.
Posted by: _Dave_ at May 28, 2015 02:20 AM (l0oEf)
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>>where did all this polygamy support come from?
>HBO's "Big Love" and TLC's "Sister Wives"
Yes, as well as many other plural families coming out of the closet. Plural marriage is not just a practice of Mormons and Muslims, but also of Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, plain old Christians (the Bible has no problem with polygamy), and people with no religion at all.
When you put a human face on something, it becomes harder to reject it without a good reason, and the modern practitioners of PM are getting quite good at defending it. Only a small minority fit the stereotype of child-bride marrying molesters who dominate their wives. Most polygamy is between consenting adults no different from you or me or the guy down the street.
Polygamy is in the Bible (and other religious texts), its obviously pro-family, and it encourages people to get married instead of shacking up or keeping a secret mistress on the side. And its practitioners tend to be religious social conservatives themselves.
Social conservatives ought to be happy to see this trend. What's not to like about it?
>HBO's "Big Love" and TLC's "Sister Wives"
Yes, as well as many other plural families coming out of the closet. Plural marriage is not just a practice of Mormons and Muslims, but also of Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, plain old Christians (the Bible has no problem with polygamy), and people with no religion at all.
When you put a human face on something, it becomes harder to reject it without a good reason, and the modern practitioners of PM are getting quite good at defending it. Only a small minority fit the stereotype of child-bride marrying molesters who dominate their wives. Most polygamy is between consenting adults no different from you or me or the guy down the street.
Polygamy is in the Bible (and other religious texts), its obviously pro-family, and it encourages people to get married instead of shacking up or keeping a secret mistress on the side. And its practitioners tend to be religious social conservatives themselves.
Social conservatives ought to be happy to see this trend. What's not to like about it?
Posted by: Jeff Ray at May 28, 2015 09:32 AM (J1qEE)
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You do remember Gallup got a couple of visits from Solly an' da boys back in '12, right?
Posted by: formwiz at May 28, 2015 10:42 AM (3rwvI)
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"That is: a bold political leader willing to speak directly to the nation can play a huge part in _SHAPING_ public opinion - especially public opinion that is generally sympathetic to a solid and longstanding notion (like what marriage actually is and has always been). "
I just wished there was something like that just for the sake of it and to remove the unbearable smug face from the gheys and their groupies. However Republicans will never be heard.
The only resort is to point out the similarities between the gheys and ISIS/stalin/fascism (plenty of material there) and that children should not stay with 2 dads and 2 moms, it is against the convention of the rights of the child
I just wished there was something like that just for the sake of it and to remove the unbearable smug face from the gheys and their groupies. However Republicans will never be heard.
The only resort is to point out the similarities between the gheys and ISIS/stalin/fascism (plenty of material there) and that children should not stay with 2 dads and 2 moms, it is against the convention of the rights of the child
Posted by: fromabroad at May 28, 2015 03:27 PM (rnV3B)
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The Devil has been making huge inroads. Is this not obvious? This is a SPIRITUAL war. The Demonrats are advancing their agenda with a little help from their friend and they're taking as much of the country down with them as they can. Evil destroys.
Google: Democrats ban God
Google: Democrats ban God
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