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Anonymous Writer Asks NYT's "Ethicist" Columnist: A Rape Occurred In a Political Campaign I Was Involved With, and the Higher Ups Covered It Up; What Should I Do?
My first job out of college was at a major political campaign. Late in the year, an intern told me she had been raped by one of my colleagues and that campaign higher-ups made the problem go away. I'm not sure what that means, but the police weren’t involved, nothing made the news, all the people involved kept their jobs. To my knowledge, this young woman told me and one other colleague. I kept the secret to myself for the last seven years until the other night. I let slip to a journalist friend the very basics of what happened, and now I’m being asked for contacts who can confirm that it happened. ... The candidate I worked for is running again. I still support the candidate, and I do not want the opponent in office. On the other hand, I am aghast that the organization would cover up such a heinous crime.Hmmm... You know, not for nothin', but Hillary Clinton was still running for president 7 years ago, wasn't she?
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 12:29 PM (syMdD)
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And she's good at covering up rapes.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 27, 2015 12:30 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: jmel at May 27, 2015 12:30 PM (dKno2)
Posted by: bystander at May 27, 2015 12:30 PM (hKyl0)
See: Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 12:30 PM (syMdD)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 27, 2015 12:31 PM (XUKZU)
FFS. Was the candidate involved in covering it up? If so, why support them? They are an awful person.
Although if the woman wanted to report it, she should have gone to the police. Unless this is a shadowy government conspiracy or she was murdered I don't see that it's your job to report it.
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 12:32 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at May 27, 2015 12:32 PM (fwARV)
I remain confused as to how TK not only retained his seat, but became known as "teh lion of the Senate."
It was about that time that I started to understand the true depth of depravity in our political system.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 27, 2015 12:34 PM (0HooB)
________
So was Huckabee.
Posted by: FireHorse at May 27, 2015 12:34 PM (ldFt4)
Posted by: Confirmation Bias at May 27, 2015 12:34 PM (92YAX)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 27, 2015 12:34 PM (XUKZU)
candidate, and I do not want the opponent in office..."
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If the candidate is Hillary Clinton, then the "opponent" this person so desperately wants to keep out of office is simply Republican To Be Determined Later?
Posted by: Kensington at May 27, 2015 12:34 PM (7Kbxu)
Cognitive dissonance.
Posted by: rah rah sis boom bah! at May 27, 2015 12:34 PM (ZtFr+)
Doubt a just out of college campaign worker would be colleagues with Bill. He/she could be misrepresenting the relationship to the rapist to obscure his identity, though.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 12:35 PM (syMdD)
Posted by: HILARITY THE DEALMAKER at May 27, 2015 12:35 PM (7Cuuw)
Posted by: Vince Foster at May 27, 2015 12:35 PM (1Rgee)
Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at May 27, 2015 12:35 PM (7Kbxu)
Posted by: bananaDream at May 27, 2015 12:35 PM (jeefx)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 27, 2015 12:36 PM (XUKZU)
If it is a Republican, it will be headline news.
Posted by: shibumi who is awash in existential dread at May 27, 2015 12:36 PM (ve5uE)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 27, 2015 12:36 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Country Singer at May 27, 2015 12:36 PM (8hctH)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 12:35 PM (syMdD)
Oh I wouldn't expect them to be colleagues at all. I'd expect a liberal college girl to BELIEVE she was colleagues with him though.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at May 27, 2015 12:37 PM (fwARV)
Normally, one must visit a sanitarium to find people who hold two totally opposite opinions at the same time.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 27, 2015 12:37 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 27, 2015 12:37 PM (oDCMR)
Perfect excuse for the MSM to dig up all sorts of rumors about those rapey Republicans.
Posted by: Y-not at May 27, 2015 12:37 PM (RWGcK)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 12:38 PM (syMdD)
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He was a lion in the sense that he was a savage who would slaughter and eat his prey without mercy.
Posted by: Kensington at May 27, 2015 12:38 PM (7Kbxu)
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 27, 2015 12:38 PM (Vha1U)
And ain't that pretty sad to even think that would be likely from an International Newspaper?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 27, 2015 12:38 PM (zRby/)
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No, it says she was a college graduate and Huck doesn't hire anybody with more than a middle school education.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 27, 2015 12:38 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2015 12:38 PM (zqrZE)
Posted by: Oedipus at May 27, 2015 12:38 PM (CXLVd)
Posted by: Rand Paul at May 27, 2015 12:38 PM (HJAb/)
Yeah, wouldn't be surprised is this is an astro-turfed #WarOnWomen effort.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 12:38 PM (syMdD)
But, on the other hand, covering up bad shit in a Democrat political arena is as natural to them as breathing. Especially the Clintons who are as crooked as snakes and lower than their bellies in a wheel rut.
It is not your responsibility to report it if it is already 7 years old. However, if it had been within a few hours, or possibly a few hours, it is misprision of a felony to hide a felony. And that whoever covered it up is guilty of.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 27, 2015 12:38 PM (GpgJl)
Posted by: Furious George at May 27, 2015 12:38 PM (UlJ3l)
Posted by: Hepcat at May 27, 2015 12:39 PM (IeR2g)
Or, lie back and think of whatever quasi-Euro-Socialist shithole you want to exist in the USA?
Posted by: Phinn at May 27, 2015 12:39 PM (DLUnW)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2015 12:39 PM (zqrZE)
Posted by: wooga at May 27, 2015 12:39 PM (t+1Vb)
Perfect excuse for the MSM to dig up all sorts of rumors about those rapey Republicans.
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I'm tanned, rested, and ready.
- Harry Reid
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 27, 2015 12:39 PM (XUKZU)
candidate, and I do not want the opponent in office. On the other hand, I
am aghast that the organization would cover up such a heinous crime.
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What was the quote from the 90s? Women should line up to have "heinous crimes" committed against them if it keeps abortion legal, right?
Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2015 12:40 PM (78TbK)
Posted by: needy hotel front desk people at May 27, 2015 12:40 PM (RWGcK)
Although if the woman wanted to report it, she should have gone to
the police. Unless this is a shadowy government conspiracy or she was
murdered I don't see that it's your job to report it.
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 12:32 PM (lIU4e)"
Because the opponent is a Republican and the worst thing in the world would be for a Democrat, any Democrat, even one who raped a staffer or participated in a cover up of rape to lose to a Republican.
Tell the little buttercup to toughen up. Take one for the team. Concealing misbehavior or even criminal acts is the duty of every good person if it helps keep Democrats in office.
The journalist should be told to do his duty and spike this story before it requires more attention from higher Party officials who have more important things to do than going around stomping out these stories.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at May 27, 2015 12:40 PM (QHgTq)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 12:38 PM (syMdD)
yep, my first thought
all "women," all the time from here on out
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2015 12:40 PM (zqrZE)
That kind of careful, scrupulous gender-neutrality screams "Democrat."
Posted by: Phinn at May 27, 2015 12:40 PM (DLUnW)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 27, 2015 12:40 PM (wtvvX)
Accepting unproven allegations from political opponents.
All to advance an individual political career, or destroy one.
The news media is not to be trusted nor the individuals who sell their souls to be a part of it.
Posted by: Lysandar Bellingrade at May 27, 2015 12:41 PM (cgxk8)
Also, if the woman was actually raped, she should have gone to the police, not to the campaign staff.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 12:41 PM (AkOaV)
"Appiah: You don't know, for example, whether this woman is telling the truth."
I guess Appiah is a member of the oppressive white cisnormative patriarchal rape culture, since we've been repeatedly told that all rape allegations are true, especially when they aren't.
Posted by: Country Singer at May 27, 2015 12:41 PM (8hctH)
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at May 27, 2015 12:41 PM (SCcgT)
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Do you want to be found dead of suicide in the park?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 27, 2015 12:42 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: bergerbilder at May 27, 2015 12:42 PM (+jijM)
Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 27, 2015 12:42 PM (ppaKI)
I remain confused as to how TK not only retained his seat, but became known as "teh lion of the Senate."
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Democrats are ends focused. If Ted Kennedy is the living embodiment of chauvinism and hell "rape culture" but he keeps the government spending spigot open, he's a great guy. Because his crimes only hurt individuals, while his actions help everyone on the left.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2015 12:42 PM (78TbK)
Unless they include Bill Clinton.
Because you never know what you'll find when you drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park.
Amiright or what?
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 12:42 PM (AkOaV)
Notice how there is no personal pronoun. Not "I do not want his opponent in office." Or "her opponent". Using "the opponent" seems a little forced.
Posted by: Hepcat at May 27, 2015 12:43 PM (IeR2g)
Posted by: some random meathead at May 27, 2015 12:43 PM (9QUPT)
Which would lead me to think the person is a "her," but uh... again, if there's no police report then I don't believe it happened.
That's my stance on "rape allegations" now. Too many liars out there.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 12:43 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: bergerbilder at May 27, 2015 12:44 PM (+jijM)
Posted by: dogfish at May 27, 2015 12:45 PM (jWtyG)
The first question the NYT "Ethicist" will ask is the party of the
candidate. You can take it from there on what the answer will be
depending on the answer to that.
And ain't that pretty sad to even think that would be likely from an International Newspaper?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 27, 2015 12:38 PM (zRby/)"
Because a lot of Republicans read the New York Times and would be inclined to ask the Times Ethicist for advice.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at May 27, 2015 12:45 PM (QHgTq)
Posted by: Bill Clinton's Dry Cleaner at May 27, 2015 12:45 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Bruce But Not Jenner at May 27, 2015 12:45 PM (iQIUe)
Do I believe it happened? Yes. Probably a dozen times from 2008 to 2014.
Posted by: rd at May 27, 2015 12:45 PM (Hf9yr)
Don't judge me.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 27, 2015 12:45 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 27, 2015 12:46 PM (oDCMR)
all "women," all the time from here on out
You know, I still have to be reminded that the Prog/Coms/Dims are nothing more that polished liars and otherwise despicable excuses for human beings.
If this is pointed at a Repumpkin, then odds are that it's completely fabricated.
#WASTF
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 27, 2015 12:46 PM (0HooB)
1. Fake
2. Lies for political effect
3. It *was* 7 years so STFU
Posted by: Bobby at May 27, 2015 12:46 PM (0kPjF)
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at May 27, 2015 12:46 PM (Ui7Rt)
B. Throw a dart at the wall.
9 out of 10 times, that's the rapist.
Posted by: Paladin at May 27, 2015 12:46 PM (LTquJ)
every once in a while.
Posted by: Hillary! at May 27, 2015 12:47 PM (0cMkb)
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 12:32 PM (lIU4e)
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People do this. They tell someone about wrongdoing and then expect this someone to do something about it.
If I witness a crime (in my case, it was domestic violence in apartments I rented out) I call the cops. Later, I'd ask the victim later if she feels safe when she's alone in her apartment with her boyfriend.
But if I hear about a crime secondhand, I stay out of it. I ask the person reporting it to me if it's serious enough to report to the police (in which case, do it) or not (in which case, don't bother me about it).
Posted by: FireHorse at May 27, 2015 12:47 PM (fgb4J)
Posted by: Teddy the K, boned for eternity at May 27, 2015 12:47 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: bergerbilder at May 27, 2015 12:47 PM (+jijM)
Wait for it... Wait for it...
Here it is!!!
What difference, at this point, does it make?1/1/!!?1!?1!??/
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 27, 2015 12:48 PM (HSmrB)
Posted by: Tommy Veitor at May 27, 2015 12:48 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: bur ma tar at May 27, 2015 12:48 PM (IBVUO)
Of course, that assumes that a rapist has a conscience. There might be people in the campaign who have a sense of guilt and this might be an attempt to lure one or two out into the open to confess their sin and beg forgiveness.
Posted by: Lysandar Bellingrade at May 27, 2015 12:48 PM (cgxk8)
Mickey Kaus told the tales about John Edwards after the fact. He said everyone knew but no one would say. He kept trying to hint it with "under news" in his column.
The point is that the press will ignore anything unseemly about Dems. So that means they are slow rolling a story here to get some Republican.
Posted by: blaster at May 27, 2015 12:48 PM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 12:49 PM (syMdD)
Do I believe it happened? Yes. Probably a dozen times from 2008 to 2014.
Posted by: rd at May 27, 2015 12:45 PM (Hf9yr)
Someone could probably do the math: average number of women working on all campaigns, from dog catcher to the White House, average number of rapes that occur in any given seven year period.
Come up with a real estimate, like: 13,822 female campaign staffers were raped since 2008.
Where is the outrage?? Isn't it about time we stopped giving rapists these opportunities to rape, and end election campaigns now???
Posted by: BurtTC at May 27, 2015 12:49 PM (TOk1P)
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She told him before the event was hushed up, not after.
Posted by: MTF at May 27, 2015 12:49 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 27, 2015 12:49 PM (oDCMR)
The Repubs have a football team's worth of people running. No way for a Dem to determine who "the" opponent would be.
The only party that would refer to "the" opponent would therefore be the Repubs.
So, she worked for Repub candidate.
Posted by: Citizen X at May 27, 2015 12:49 PM (7ObY1)
So who's the whore? You, or the candidate?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2015 12:49 PM (IlQaj)
I know, suddenly they're concerned about the truth?
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 12:50 PM (U8W/7)
Posted by: booter at May 27, 2015 12:50 PM (Lg1F3)
Going out on a limb that if you did not report it at your first opportunity, then it did not happen.
OTOH
This quote sums up progressive to a 'T'
" I still support the candidate, and I do not want the opponent in office. On the other hand, I am aghast that the organization would cover up such a heinous crime."
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at May 27, 2015 12:50 PM (JOG+K)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at May 27, 2015 12:52 PM (kff5f)
Either poor telling or the opponent is already known, which should preclude it being the presidential race.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 27, 2015 12:52 PM (rwI+c)
Exactly. Especially if it is an accusation of something like rape, because the person who was raped (assuming this happened) would have to talk to the police anyway. If she isn't willing to do that, what use is it for me to? I have no evidence at this point and am not an eyewitness. So it goes in the realm of 'story'.
Now, if this person wants to rat out the people who covered it up (supposedly) in the press or anonymously that would be a different story. It would still be unproven and possibly libelous...
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 12:52 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at May 27, 2015 12:52 PM (kff5f)
Unfortunately odds are it's an opponent of Hillary.
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 12:52 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: rickb223 at May 27, 2015
It Takes a Village To Raise A Whore
Posted by: Mr Wizard at May 27, 2015 12:52 PM (eOpVe)
Posted by: Citizen X at May 27, 2015 12:49 PM (7ObY1)
If its a presidential candidate (no guarantees on that, could be senate, house, or any number of state level campaigns) then Huckabee is the only retread from '08. Right?
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 12:52 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Lumbergh at May 27, 2015 12:53 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 27, 2015 12:53 PM (659DL)
So, she worked for Repub candidate.
Posted by: Citizen X at May 27, 2015 12:49 PM (7ObY1)
Huckabee?!?!?!
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at May 27, 2015 12:53 PM (JOG+K)
I can easily buy that a campaign worker would keep quiet for years, though. You get true believers working at these places, the kind that would cover up a murder for their candidate. Eventually that zeal wears off and they start wondering if it was such a good idea.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 12:53 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 12:54 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 12:54 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: William Jefferson Clinton at May 27, 2015 12:54 PM (TJ8HB)
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 12:54 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: herman cainstein at May 27, 2015 12:54 PM (rwI+c)
True. I was assuming it was in reference to the POTUS contest. I would've read the article first, but MORON.
Posted by: Citizen X at May 27, 2015 12:54 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Citizen X at May 27, 2015 12:49 PM (7ObY1)
Or made it up out of whole cloth.
But *that* would never happen, right?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at May 27, 2015 12:54 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 12:54 PM (U8W/7)
Posted by: Mr Wizard
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It takes a whore to raze a village.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 27, 2015 12:55 PM (QyBQv)
Posted by: Mr Wizard
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It takes a whore to raze a village.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 27, 2015 12:55 PM (QyBQv)
Posted by: James Carville at May 27, 2015 12:55 PM (TJ8HB)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 12:49 PM (syMdD)
I think the media or establishment is currently either after Hillary or trying to get all her bad stuff out into the open, so maybe those normal rules don't apply right now.
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 12:55 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Lena Dunham at May 27, 2015 12:55 PM (syMdD)
I feel ya! I just hopped over to twitchy real quick. But in keeping with my Moron card, I skimmed and didn't read every detail.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 12:55 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: bur ma tar at May 27, 2015 12:56 PM (IBVUO)
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 12:56 PM (RJMhd)
This person enables rape and desperately wants to be a part of Team "Rape Culture!" Meme.
Posted by: Shoot Me at May 27, 2015 12:56 PM (EQcfE)
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at May 27, 2015 12:56 PM (o+SC1)
without a contemporaneous police report. Sorry, too many lies about rape
lately.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 12:54 PM (AkOaV)
Listen, do you know how traumatizing it is for a woman to come up with a fake rape claim? Asking her to get a fake police report is like fake raping her all over again!
Posted by: BurtTC at May 27, 2015 12:56 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Amanda Marcotte at May 27, 2015 12:56 PM (syMdD)
Posted by: Bill Cosby at May 27, 2015 12:56 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Al Sharpton at May 27, 2015 12:56 PM (l3vZN)
Posted by: Lysandar Bellingrade at May 27, 2015 12:56 PM (cgxk8)
Posted by: George Stephuphaluphagus at May 27, 2015 12:57 PM (TJ8HB)
A senate campaign however....
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 27, 2015 12:57 PM (U8W/7)
Is "making it go away" a legitimate candidacy expense? Or a "charitable" expense?
Posted by: bergerbilder at May 27, 2015 12:47 PM (+jijM)"
Even better. A contributor can make a direct payment to the problem girl without the money having to go through the normal campaign contributions, limits and accounting. And that sort of payment buys a lot more access than a standard campaign contribution.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at May 27, 2015 12:57 PM (QHgTq)
Posted by: unsupported accusations at May 27, 2015 12:57 PM (Hf9yr)
Posted by: Antoine Dodson, who is now "formerly" ghey at May 27, 2015 12:57 PM (AkOaV)
Or, as someone mentioned earlier, 'made it go away' = hush money.
An actual journalist at this point might try to verify this and follow the money, of course, but I don't think we have real journalists anymore. It's all blind gossip columns or looking the other way.
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 12:57 PM (lIU4e)
Seriously? It's all bullshit. The Times panders to its base. Let's not fluff up their skirts.
Posted by: blaster at May 27, 2015 12:57 PM (2Ocf1)
http://tinyurl.com/nwllujc
Posted by: Feh at May 27, 2015 12:58 PM (zxe6R)
Posted by: irongrampa at May 27, 2015 12:58 PM (jeCnD)
Posted by: Willie C. Esquire Liar at May 27, 2015 12:58 PM (eOpVe)
Posted by: blaster at May 27, 2015 12:59 PM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: Harry Reid's Van at May 27, 2015 12:59 PM (TJ8HB)
Posted by: Algore at May 27, 2015 12:59 PM (Qo4Rs)
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at May 27, 2015 12:57 PM
Wasn't this the John Edwards Campaign's method? Some rich old bat paid his mistress off?
Posted by: unsupported accusations at May 27, 2015 12:59 PM (Hf9yr)
If it's a Dim? Until the ice she puts on it melts.
If it's a Repumpkin? Infinity + 1 day.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 27, 2015 12:59 PM (0HooB)
Yeah... I just "let slip" this allegation of rape to a "journalist friend." Uh, huh.
Sorry, but I find this less than believable. My veracity meter reads somewhere just above Brian Williams on this one.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at May 27, 2015 12:59 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Feh at May 27, 2015 12:59 PM (zxe6R)
Are there any House members who are re-running for office after being out of DC for a while? If not, I think we have to narrow it down to Presidential and Senatorial candidates, since they're really the only ones who fall into that 7-year window. Even Governors don't usually go more than 2-4 years per term.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at May 27, 2015 01:00 PM (4df7R)
Yep, and one of his top campaign aides claimed it was his kid and IIRC, had her move in w/him.
Posted by: Amanda Marcotte at May 27, 2015 01:00 PM (syMdD)
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 01:00 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Brian Williams at May 27, 2015 01:01 PM (eOpVe)
Posted by: Hillary, Heiress Presumptive at May 27, 2015 01:01 PM (zxe6R)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 27, 2015 01:01 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: pep at May 27, 2015 01:01 PM (GMG6W)
Harf promoted to Senior Adviser with a focus on negotiations with Iran.
#Don'tNukeUs
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 27, 2015 01:01 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Whoopi Goldberg at May 27, 2015 01:02 PM (PFy0L)
Posted by: REO Speedwagon at May 27, 2015 01:02 PM (fgb4J)
Maybe she can harf all over Kohamani's shoes.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at May 27, 2015 01:03 PM (kff5f)
Sorry my middle finger stuttered.
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 12:56 PM (RJMhd)
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That's sooo hot....
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 27, 2015 01:03 PM (HSmrB)
candidate, and I do not want the opponent in office..
Omelets. Omelets everywhere.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 27, 2015 01:03 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at May 27, 2015 01:03 PM (nFdGS)
ASSUMING the "7 years" isn't a lie too.
Mind blown. Window is still wide open.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 01:03 PM (kKQrE)
Posted by: REO Speedwagon at May 27, 2015 01:02 PM (fgb4J)
Ha.
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 01:03 PM (lIU4e)
________
So was Huckabee.
Posted by: FireHorse at May 27, 2015 12:34 PM (ldFt4)
Fuckabee for the rescue
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 27, 2015 01:03 PM (QyBQv)
From my reading of the "article" it doesn't preclude someone who has run for re-election between 08 and '16. The complainant(?) just claims to have worked for the campaign in '08, not that the candidate didn't run for re election in '10 or '12 or '14.
So it could be house member. I guess Senate wouldn't work (6 year intervals) unless there was some kind of special election going on in '08.
Or, again, could be a governor or some state level office holder for all we know.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:04 PM (AkOaV)
Well, the journalist being interested means it's a Republican candidate - no way they'd want to know if it were Hillary.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 12:49 PM (syMdD)"
Not necessarily. The journalist could be young and naive enough to believe the bullshit about objective journalism. That is why news organizations have layers of editors and fact checkers to spike these stories if they are about Democrats.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at May 27, 2015 01:04 PM (QHgTq)
After trying to logroll his uncooperative friend, of course.
This story is hogwash.
Posted by: Name: at May 27, 2015 01:05 PM (67lRH)
colleagues and that campaign higher-ups made the problem go away. I'm
not sure what that means
Which means nothing. If this was their "first job out of college," I doubt they were very high up on the ladder, which means I doubt they were privy council to the actual "major" candidate. In that situation, "campaign higher ups" could mean anyone from the candidate themselves down to the manager of a local campaign HQ. Much as I'd love to say "Hillary covered up a rape!"(and much as the Dems would love to say "(Insert Republican candidate here) covered up a rape!"), it's much more likely that it never even reached the candidate (plausible deniability, yo), and the closest it ever got was their campaign manager.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at May 27, 2015 01:05 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: Mr Wizard at May 27, 2015 01:06 PM (eOpVe)
Posted by: blaster at May 27, 2015 12:57 PM
________
Or pants. One of the experts at the NYT refers to the letter writer as "he or she" implying that the ...
... oh, darn. I abruptly stopped taking this at all seriously.
Posted by: REO Speedwagon at May 27, 2015 01:06 PM (fgb4J)
I heard it on the grapevine.
--Marvin Gaye
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 01:06 PM (kKQrE)
Posted by: Artemis's Mobile Command Center at May 27, 2015 01:06 PM (lacAZ)
Harf promoted to Senior Adviser with a focus on negotiations with Iran.
Idiocracy arrived earlier than predicted.
Posted by: Citizen X at May 27, 2015 01:06 PM (7ObY1)
It was not a candidate. "One of my colleagues" could mean the guy that drove the van, or one of the phone bank workers, and likely another recent college graduate.
Posted by: Gender Studies Jobs at May 27, 2015 01:06 PM (Hf9yr)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 27, 2015 01:06 PM (oVJmc)
From my reading of the "article" it doesn't
preclude someone who has run for re-election between 08 and '16. The
complainant(?) just claims to have worked for the campaign in '08, not
that the candidate didn't run for re election in '10 or '12 or '14.
So it could be house member. I guess Senate wouldn't work (6 year
intervals) unless there was some kind of special election going on in
'08.
Or, again, could be a governor or some state level office holder for all we know.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:04 PM (AkOaV)
It just seems odd that the author would wait 7 years to mention it to a journalist friend if the candidate had had reason to run anytime during the intervening period. Their conscience didn't eat away at them the 1st or 2nd time they ran, but it did this time? Seems fishy.
That's assuming the story isn't complete bunk made up out of whole cloth, which is an equally viable option.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at May 27, 2015 01:07 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: HAL at May 27, 2015 01:07 PM (OmBeX)
Sometime in the past 15 years or so it happened.
Yep. The death of shame has a direct corollary to what's happened to our Republic.
Posted by: Citizen X at May 27, 2015 01:07 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2015 01:07 PM (rDqRv)
New 'Mean People Suck' strategy to be brought to bear.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 27, 2015 01:08 PM (oVJmc)
It's her mother that is very well connected in -you can probably guess this-Chicago.
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 01:08 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Citizen X at May 27, 2015 01:08 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: flounder, now with pregnant hands at May 27, 2015 01:08 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: mini/moo 0000 at May 27, 2015 01:09 PM (Spluw)
I think the story is probably either entirely made up or he was just bullshitting with his "journalist friend" about a rumor he heard back in the day and his "journalist friend" was like 'ooh ooh war on wymynz. rape culture! i have a deadline to file, give me some more details, this is perfect'
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:09 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Citizen X at May 27, 2015 01:09 PM (7ObY1)
So its a second-hand story, to boot?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 27, 2015 01:09 PM (oVJmc)
Uh....what?!
Joking, right? Right???
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 01:10 PM (syMdD)
Posted by: Hillary, Heiress Presumptive at May 27, 2015 01:10 PM (zxe6R)
I heard it's OK to swallow that stuff. Is that true? Asking for a friend.
Not sure. Ask your mom.
-Abby
(Things we'd like to see)
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 01:10 PM (kKQrE)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 01:10 PM (39g3+)
Dear Never,
Tell your friend that it's not safe at all. Delivering a baby through one's throat if a definite choking hazard.
Posted by: Fatwa Abby at May 27, 2015 01:10 PM (fgb4J)
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:10 PM (AkOaV)
World Civilization rests on the husky shoulders of Foggy Bottom Barbie.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 27, 2015 01:11 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Big McLargehuge at May 27, 2015 01:11 PM (u9OP6)
If course it's complete fabrication, MWR--the basics don't hold up, and I'd bet this is going down the memory hole for lack of traction.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 27, 2015 01:11 PM (jeCnD)
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:04 PM (AkOaV)
Or....
It was it was a Town Meeting Member of the Brattleboro, VT Representative Town Meeting!
Posted by: Country Singer at May 27, 2015 01:11 PM (8hctH)
Posted by: Feh at May 27, 2015 01:11 PM (zxe6R)
Posted by: Penthouse letter writer at May 27, 2015 01:11 PM (W5DcG)
Jail women who make false rape claims and then maybe I'll listen.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 27, 2015 01:12 PM (AC0lD)
(too soon, isn't it? I denounce myself.)
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:12 PM (AkOaV)
LA labor leaders seek minimum wage exemption for firms with union workers: http://tinyurl.com/p2mvgo6
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 27, 2015 01:12 PM (wtvvX)
She can't even successfully spar or negotiated w/a freakin' reporter - what on earth qualifies her to negotiate w/our sworn enemies?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 01:12 PM (syMdD)
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 01:13 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 01:13 PM (5C6uz)
Posted by: Lizzy
The ayatollahs like blondes?
Posted by: mini/moo 0000 at May 27, 2015 01:13 PM (Spluw)
Wait, what?
Would that be the same unions that hire people to protest on behalf of raising minimum wage (bit pays them less than minimum wage)?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 01:14 PM (syMdD)
Posted by: Citizen X
My wife works retail and she says it is just getting worse. People scream and throw a fit until they get what they want. It is so bad that the company she works for has had purchase a 10+ million dollar system to keep track of customer returns. And you know who is paying for it?
Us
Posted by: Artemis's Mobile Command Center at May 27, 2015 01:14 PM (lacAZ)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 01:12 PM (syMdD)
because she is a fuckin harf wit and idiot. It's perfect.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2015 01:14 PM (rDqRv)
Because Lena Dunham was wrist deep in her poor sister. Sorry to be crude but I'm just saying, why the Duggar jokes? Is it because he's from the south, so they must all be sister-marrying tards? Because... really?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 01:14 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 27, 2015 01:14 PM (j01vw)
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 01:14 PM (5C6uz)
And that, my friends, is how you do crony capitalism in style.
Mandate every non-union shop pay their employees $15 an hour, get an exemption for union shops so they can pay (say) $12 an hour, watch union membership soar as companies urge employees to unionize to avoid the higher wages and watch that sweet sweet mandatory withholding dues money flow in to the union coffers.
Gotta love it.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:15 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 27, 2015 01:16 PM (j01vw)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 27, 2015 01:16 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: SGTYork at May 27, 2015 01:16 PM (/yNLK)
Posted by: Josh Dugger at May 27, 2015 01:17 PM (rDqRv)
That, and he admitted to feeling his sisters up when they were sleeping (over the clothes) and one family friend as well.
Just making a joke though, I know its unfair to the Duggars.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:17 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: FireHorse at May 27, 2015 01:17 PM (fgb4J)
http://tinyurl.com/pbe2rd2
We have followed the performance of Marie Harf as a spokesman for the Obama administration foreign policy at the State Department. Harf gives the catastrophic foreign policy of the Obama administration a lighter than air, Valley Girl kind of feel. She is a walking self-parody. As such, she presents a novel use of expressive form.
Now comes word that Harf is being promoted to Senior Advisor for Strategic Communications to Secretary of State John Kerry. Like a helium filled balloon, Harf ascends. In her new position Harf will focus on negotiations between the U.S. and Iran on nuclear weapons. It sounds like a joke, but FOX News reports it as fact.
----
#WeAreScrewed
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 27, 2015 01:17 PM (fWAjv)
no she did both.
And acted like a "rapist" (in her words) by bribing her sister with candy for, uh, sexual favors.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:17 PM (AkOaV)
1. Bait the hook with a rape question.
2. Set the hook with social media.
3. Land the Republi.. er, fish in the boat and club it.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 27, 2015 01:17 PM (Bj4BZ)
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 01:18 PM (kKQrE)
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 01:18 PM (S+el1)
Something about pebbles... and kissing. For $.
Posted by: Name: at May 27, 2015 01:18 PM (67lRH)
She can't even successfully spar or negotiated w/a freakin' reporter - what on earth qualifies her to negotiate w/our sworn enemies?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 01:12 PM (syMdD)
All she is going to be required to do is unilaterally surrender, so , no problem.
Posted by: TFG at May 27, 2015 01:18 PM (1Rgee)
Posted by: Dorothy of Kansas at May 27, 2015 01:18 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 01:18 PM (kKQrE)
Is there anything better?
Posted by: Josh Dugger at May 27, 2015 01:19 PM (rDqRv)
Cleveland 10 and Texas 0 in the third. Texas is getting raped and not in that good, fart and we all laugh type of way.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 27, 2015 01:19 PM (AC0lD)
Posted by: Name: at May 27, 2015 01:19 PM (67lRH)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 01:19 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 27, 2015 01:19 PM (5buP8)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 27, 2015 01:19 PM (j01vw)
Democrat political arena is as natural to them as breathing.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 27, 2015 12:38 PM (GpgJl)
This. Recall that when l'affaire Filner blew up, some prominent Reds admitted that they knew he was a problem, but they hushed it up because they liked his politics.
Posted by: American Indians on Reservations at May 27, 2015 01:20 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 27, 2015 01:20 PM (/Ho8c)
Huckabee was in the news for defending Josh Duggar against molestation allegations...
...now NYT runs a little nugget about a campaign from '08 covering up a rape on their staff...
....hmmmmm....
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:20 PM (AkOaV)
And acted like a "rapist" (in her words) by bribing her sister with candy for, uh, sexual favors.
But lets crack more Duggar jokes, so we are with the cool kids on the left, right? Cause that way we'll get the wink and the pat on the back from popular culture.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 01:20 PM (39g3+)
http://tinyurl.com/prr2haa
Married by a female Anglican priest to a guy who let her keep her own name.
Mom lobbies for clean energy. Dad runs a Center for Global Education.
Marie was associate policy director for national security on Obama's re-election team in 2012. Before that, head PR babe for the CIA.
Posted by: Feh at May 27, 2015 01:20 PM (zxe6R)
Posted by: Josh Dugger
Bridesmaid Battleship.
When you sink one, she goes down.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 01:21 PM (kKQrE)
Weasel Zippers
Outstanding. Woof Woof
Posted by: Josh Dugger at May 27, 2015 01:21 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 01:21 PM (39g3+)
Honestly, the way people were throwing around the word 'molested' I was thinking of something much worse than that....the only specific I saw is that he touched boobs.
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 01:21 PM (lIU4e)
Oh come on, it's all in good fun.
Lena Dunham jokes are getting old. We're among friends here, so...
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:22 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: FireHorse at May 27, 2015 01:17 PM (fgb4J)
--It was about soccer, as in, gol it seems kinda fishy that Qatar is hosting the World Cup in 9 years. FIFA is as corrupt as the Democrats.
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 01:22 PM (5C6uz)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2015 01:22 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: blaster at May 27, 2015 12:59 PM (2Ocf1)
Absolutely. It's a tax
Posted by: Justice Roberts at May 27, 2015 01:22 PM (JOG+K)
Posted by: mynewhandle
I doubt it. Knocking him out this early would be doing the rest of the field a favor.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 27, 2015 01:22 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: NotCoach at May 27, 2015 01:23 PM (rsudF)
As soon as the UN sanctions are lifted-we are never getting those back.m
Hell just yesterday there was an article that Russia is selling a military system to Iran,IIRC it's a missile defense system, yet we are dragging our feet getting one to other areas as a balancing measure.
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 01:23 PM (RJMhd)
Yeah, that's how the media rolls.
"sexual assault" "non-consensual touching" "rape" "molestation" are all used depending on how they want to headline to read.
So if the Duggars were big Dem backers and the media was dragged to this story, the headline would have been "Duggar accused of non-consensual touching when he was in his early teens."
Instead they say "Duggar accused of incestuous child molestation".
That's just the way the media works.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:23 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 01:23 PM (/mTq0)
Graham's character seems smarter than Harf.
Seriously.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 01:23 PM (syMdD)
Posted by: Joe Biden at May 27, 2015 01:24 PM (C278+)
Posted by: maddogg at May 27, 2015 01:24 PM (xWW96)
So who does the NYT want, and who are they trying to maneuver into place once Hillary! is gone?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Salutes All Who Have Protected Our American Right To Gripe! at May 27, 2015 01:24 PM (hLRSq)
I have no allegiance to Duggar. Until this came out I'd never even heard of the guy, and don't care about him. I'm just so sick of people on the right buying into the popular culture narrative give to us by the left.
You want to make a dent, to change things? Stop taking your marching orders from your enemies.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 01:24 PM (39g3+)
Think Todd Akin.
They used him to hammer the R field for the entire '12 election, including spinning their "war on wymynz" in to over drive.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:25 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: donna at May 27, 2015 01:25 PM (Bn6aD)
I thought the Duggar charge was hand on thigh, too. He also came clean about it to his family and his fiancee's family, which is evidence of contrition. He should've been referred to outside professional help by his family. And that state trooper his father took him to was also crooked.
Posted by: Feh at May 27, 2015 01:25 PM (zxe6R)
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 01:26 PM (RJMhd)
journalist friend if the candidate had had reason to run anytime during
the intervening period. Their conscience didn't eat away at them the 1st
or 2nd time they ran, but it did this time? Seems fishy.
Can you say "statute of limitations?" I can.
The whole story is probably bullshit, but waiting until the statute of limitation expires is a great way to trot out a bullshit story without fear of triggering an official investigation.
Posted by: American Indians on Reservations at May 27, 2015 01:26 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Name: at May 27, 2015 01:19 PM (67lRH)
Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker.
Posted by: W. Wonka at May 27, 2015 01:26 PM (JOG+K)
1. The left actually thinks Hillary's too mainstream. I'm not kidding.
2. Everyone owns the Clintons. EV-RY-ONE. If you can think of a company larger than 10K employees, they donated. Several countries did as well. The left is a bit uncomfortable about what favors Hillary owes.
3. Any political strategist on the planet can look at Hillary as a candidate and spot that she's a robot. She can't pretend to be human, it's outside her matrix.
4. She's a raging bitch. People who are looking forward to getting their leftist policy preferences through squirm when they think how getting it through the White House will go. If you're not 100% loyal to the Clinton Crime Family, you're frozen out. For as long as she lives.
Posted by: bonhomme at May 27, 2015 01:26 PM (jhqr1)
I'm not.
And the girlfriend watches the 19 kids and counting show, so I'm vaguely familiar with who they are and their whole shtick.
But I do find it kind of... maybe not humorous, but I mean... you cannot be out and out conservative christians on TV and back candidates like Huckabee openly and not expect something like this to come out. They knew this was out there. They knew there was a police report (initiated by an anonymous email to Oprahs show), why would they put their family through this by making themselves famous?
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:27 PM (AkOaV)
Congress and corporations sell out yet another way for the average Joe to move up in America
http://tinyurl.com/n6uz9cc
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 27, 2015 01:27 PM (+aCe4)
Late in the year, an intern told me she had been raped by one of my colleagues...
So its a second-hand story, to boot?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 27, 2015 01:09 PM (oVJmc)"
Oh, yeah. There are lots of issues with this story. The popularity of ex post facto withdrawal of consent means retroactive rape means that when the intern found out that a paid campaign worker is not actually a powerful or influential person, she might have had second thoughts about laying some nookie on him.
Or he might have bent her over the desk one night and had sex with her by force.
Or she might be as crazy as that woman at UVA and nothing happened at all.
In any event, the campaign decided that the thing to do was to make the problem go away. Maybe they paid her. Maybe they took her out to have a look at Adriana La Cerva's grave.
The point to remember is that Democrats are the New York Times' target demographic, not Republicans. It seems extremely unlikely that any Republican would be writing in to the New York Times "Ethics" column.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at May 27, 2015 01:27 PM (QHgTq)
Ali goes all fatwa on uncovered meat, then goes home to his goat.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 01:27 PM (PW0WF)
My first job out of college was at a major political campaign. Late
in the year, an intern told me she had been raped by one of my
colleagues...
It was not a candidate. "One of my colleagues" could mean the guy
that drove the van, or one of the phone bank workers, and likely another
recent college graduate.
-------------------
That doesn't make it any better. Rape still is rape, a felony investigation would have sunk the campaign in a single week. Covering up for a lackey is still the same as covering up for Representative Borgia.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 01:27 PM (/mTq0)
Posted by: Feh at May 27, 2015 01:27 PM (zxe6R)
Agreed but since He was a minor at the time it should have been sealed shouldn't it? So who leaked it?
Posted by: donna at May 27, 2015 01:28 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 01:28 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at May 27, 2015 01:28 PM (EHPqi)
Posted by: dantesed at May 27, 2015 01:29 PM (88xKn)
You want to make a dent, to change things? Stop taking your marching orders from your enemies.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 01:24 PM (39g3+)
Don't see why your so upset. The Duggers do not represent me or COnservatives. I have nothing against them, but Jesus ( so to speak ) they are the ones that went on TV and made a spectacle of their family. You gotta take the good with the bad. I am not blaming them for what ever Josh did or did not do, but they put themselves out front, not us.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2015 01:30 PM (rDqRv)
Someone had the idea upthread but maybe they are just clearing Hillary's closet early before she gets to the big dance.
By then it's old news,and what difference does it make?
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 01:30 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: NCKate at May 27, 2015 01:30 PM (zGDNi)
That statement is prima facie evidence the rapist is a Dem. Partie Uber Alles, after all.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 27, 2015 01:30 PM (zF6Iw)
In theory the files are sealed at 18 and it takes a court order - which is not easy to get - to look into them. But I have zero respect for anyone in a reality show to begin with, no matter what their political or religious views.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 01:30 PM (39g3+)
Yes obama has sure surrounded himself with some real winners....Smartest prezident evah!
Posted by: donna at May 27, 2015 01:30 PM (Bn6aD)
I read the police report. not much there.
The incident that led to Josh being sent away for 3 months was when he touched his sisters thigh while the two of them were reading books to the younger kids. She ran out of the room and told her parents.
He then admitted to having impure thoughts and touching other sisters over their clothes while they slept (police report did not go in to detail). The other girls do not remember those incidents, as they were asleep.
So... a big nothingburger for the cops to act on. Plus statute of limitations had passed.
And the Duggars did, to their credit (?), contact a state trooper and have Josh get the shit scared out of him by the cop, who did not feel the need to even initiate a police report. (who, er, was later arrested for possession of child pornography FWIW)
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:30 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Haven Monaghan at May 27, 2015 01:30 PM (oKE6c)
A lot of people seem to have this glee at the idea of people who call themselves Christians messing up. But Christians are not perfect, they sin and they are perfectly aware of it. So I don't see something like this as hypocrisy so much as a mistake.
And I don't like them calling this 'molesting' when it was (apparently) more inappropriate touching, because those two things are very different.
But I don't watch the show and I probably wouldn't know who they even are except they live in Arkansas. So people gossip.
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 01:32 PM (lIU4e)
It's about no one and everyone at the same time.
It's not about actually making any guilty party pay, but about smearing an entire field of candidates in one fell swoop. Remember Gillibrand's accusations? She won't name names either. That's because it isn't about making anyone pay, but about smearing everyone.
This is a lazy and pitiful attack on the entire Republican field of candidates.
Posted by: NotCoach at May 27, 2015 01:32 PM (rsudF)
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 01:32 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at May 27, 2015 01:27 PM (QHgTq)
Wait... Wait... what!?
Posted by: Ross Douthat at May 27, 2015 01:32 PM (67lRH)
Yeah, but we all know "sealed" records can become "unsealed" fairly easily if you're the wrong kind of person.
Obama unsealed divorce and child custody hearings of his opponents when running for IL state senate.
How? Who knows?
Also, the only reason this went public is because one of the victims went to court and asked for the police report to be destroyed. The judge agreed. The day before it was supposed to be destroyed, the local PD sent out a redacted (but obviously identifiable) version of the report based on an old FOIA request from a tabloid.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:32 PM (AkOaV)
(who, er, was later arrested for possession of child pornography FWIW)
Cop kept the files with details. Probably asked for pictures.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 01:32 PM (PW0WF)
It was not a candidate. "One of my colleagues" could mean the guy
that drove the van.....
Tommy Vietor, Tommy Vietor, pick up the red courtesy phone for a very important message from you-know-who! Tommy Vietor, red courtesy phone for a DefCon message from Huma Abedine.
Posted by: Ann Coulter at May 27, 2015 01:32 PM (P330y)
hmmm... a true conservative campaign wouldn't cover it up by definition, a RINO might, but the fact that they are asking the NYT means the writer is probably liberal. OTOH, a liberal paper wouldn't be asking for contacts, unless they figure the liberal candidate isn't liberal enough. Either way, I am going with Huma writing the letter about colleague Bill until further info.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 27, 2015 01:32 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: bonhomme at May 27, 2015 01:32 PM (jhqr1)
Congress and corporations sell out yet another way for the average Joe to move up in America
http://tinyurl.com/n6uz9cc
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 27, 2015 01:27 PM (+aCe4)"
I am not going to get too worked up about yet another injustice in the intellectual property laws.
What would make it worthwhile would be if we harmonize our copyright protection period with our patent protection period. 20 years.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at May 27, 2015 01:33 PM (QHgTq)
http://tinyurl.com/prr2haa
Married by a female Anglican priest to a guy who let her keep her own name.
Mom lobbies for clean energy. Dad runs a Center for Global Education.
Marie was associate policy director for national security on Obama's re-election team in 2012. Before that, head PR babe for the CIA.
Posted by: Feh at May 27, 2015 01:20 PM (zxe6R)
--When my college buddy got married in an Episcopal church (with me as Best Man) and I learned the priest would be a priestess, I thought "uh oh." It actually turned out not so bad. The church itself was about 100 years old, mostly wooden and had lovely architecture (it even had an altar rail, like pre-Vatican 2 Catholic churches). The pastrix was not only not a lesbian, but married and I think had one or two children. She was also feminine looking with shoulder-length hair, although she did not wear a lot of make-up, which seems proper given her vocation. While chatting with her at the reception, she seemed pretty traditional (with the obvious exception of her work, of course). It's always interesting to see someone who pushes against the stereotype, even if the stereotype is a valid one.
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 01:34 PM (5C6uz)
Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 27, 2015 01:34 PM (/Ho8c)
Ah, but to the Left and the MSM (I repeat myself) they do. They hold the Duggars up as representative of cray-zee Christian conservatives. And several gossip sites are helpfully posting pics of Josh Duggar standing next to Ted Cruz while covering this scandal just to drive home the point.
Reminds me of the Paula Deen scandal. Never a fan, but I wasn't about to suddenly hate her or join the point-and-laugh at the evil Southern racist train because it furthered the Left's agenda in painting ALL white Southerners as being racist.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 01:34 PM (syMdD)
I agree with all that, I'm just saying that if you're going to be an object of media hate (by being a republican, christian, conservative, or just "the wrong type of person") you better be sure you dont have any big skeletons in the closet like this family clearly did.
Because it WILL come out. The media will make sure it does.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:34 PM (AkOaV)
The press would love to pounce on "republican who say" X, and are they nuts. So are the people who support these things.
Birth certificate?
Closet Muslim?
Radical Socialist?
Nuts to believe it. Don't be like "them".
So I say, if this thing has legs enough for the MSM to carry it, stand back and watch. Otherwise, let it be.
It would be foolish to give credence to a claim of rape that long ago, given how we see the bogus nature of "rape-culture" accusations all around us.
Pop the popcorn. Let them carry the ball.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 27, 2015 01:34 PM (XmOA9)
It would be foolish to give credence to a claim of rape that long ago, given how we see the bogus nature of "rape-culture" accusations all around us.
See: Hill, Anita...
Posted by: donna at May 27, 2015 01:35 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: bonhomme at May 27, 2015 01:32 PM (jhqr1)
state trooper was later convicted of possession of child pornography.
But thats unrelated to the duggar situation, i don't think anyone is alleging that Jim bob knew the cop who inspected his used car lot (how he knew the cop) was a weirdo with child porn on his computer when he took his son to speak with him.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:36 PM (AkOaV)
aware of it.
It's the holier-than-thou attitude and talking down to me WHILE they are doing worse things than I have ever done.
Jimmy Swaggart, please pick up the mother and daughter whore courtesy phone.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 01:36 PM (PW0WF)
Ah, thank you for the clarification because I kept seeing stuff about records being 'destroyed' as if it were this nefarious super conspiracy. Which it apparently is not.
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 01:36 PM (lIU4e)
Obama was pretty good at that.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 27, 2015 01:36 PM (R8hU8)
Reminds me of the Paula Deen scandal. Never a fan, but I wasn't about to suddenly hate her or join the point-and-laugh at the evil Southern racist train because it furthered the Left's agenda in painting ALL white Southerners as being racist.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 01:34 PM (syMdD)
I think we doth protest to much.
Ignore it.
From what I read, what he did was typical child play for the most part.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2015 01:36 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 01:37 PM (S+el1)
I am thinking. Only reason this story surfaces, has to be a Republican.
Taking bets. I am thinking that Christian that never finished college was in bed with someone.
They make shit up, why not make good shit up?
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 27, 2015 01:37 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Lizzy
The ayatollahs like blondes?
Posted by: mini/moo 0000 at May 27, 2015 01:13 PM (Spluw)
Like, my eyes are up HERE, Imam!
Posted by: Marie Harf, Special Assistant for Keggers at May 27, 2015 01:37 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 27, 2015 12:38 PM (zqrZE)
I gotta learn how to do that. 3 words to say what I said. Guess I shoulda read the comments first.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 27, 2015 01:38 PM (XmOA9)
Ah, but to the Left and the MSM (I repeat myself) they do. They hold the Duggars up as representative of cray-zee Christian conservatives.
Then Major Hasan is representative of every muzzie on the planet.
Fair is fair.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 01:38 PM (PW0WF)
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 01:37 PM (S+el1)
I "Think" the left and many in the democratic party are worried that if hillary gets thru the primaries she might be easy pickings in the General Election. They are getting nervous and would rather side track her now
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2015 01:38 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: Rapey the Dolphin at May 27, 2015 01:39 PM (RD7QR)
The police report recommended no further action be taken, everyone involved was a minor, and the whole "protecting sexual assault victims anonymity" thing was at play too.
Nothing nefarious about one of the victims to want the report destroyed.
There is something nefarious about a judge ordering it destroyed, then the PD leaking it the day before it was to be destroyed.
Someone in the records department at the local PD clearly does not like the Duggars (or maybe just hates republicans or christians and sees the Duggars as representative of either group).
Anyways, I'm curious to see if the judge will go ape shit on the PD or not.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:39 PM (AkOaV)
My first job out of college was at a major political campaign.
Then you need to hit the "reset" button because only other political campaigns would consider what you did a "real" job.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 27, 2015 01:39 PM (95CzI)
I was wondering because this isn't the first time the institutional media has put out something that is critical of the Hillary! campaign. These people covered up for John Edwards and yet now they are leaking out stuff that could be about the Hillary campaign? Stuff that isn't flattering?
Odd. What's the play, then?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Salutes All Who Have Protected Our American Right To Gripe! at May 27, 2015 01:40 PM (hLRSq)
So should we hold Democrats to be anti scientific anti-fapsters because Keith Ellison is a Muslim and some Muslim Cleric said you can get your hand pregant
Yeah, didn't think so.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 01:40 PM (39g3+)
Are you talking of the duggars specifically?
>> agree with all that, I'm just saying that if you're going to be an object of media hate (by being a republican, christian, conservative, or just "the wrong type of person") you better be sure you dont have any big skeletons in the closet like this family clearly did.
The 'wrong kind of person' cannot help their imperfections or that of their children. What you are asking for is perfection or hiding for everyone in that list. That is impossible.
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 01:40 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 01:41 PM (PW0WF)
those in the industry expect the annual dollar value of the contract to be similar to the $85 million a year the Navy paid Campbell Ewald for this past year's recruiting ads and marketing work.
Sigh. Wanna increase recruitment? Get rid of Fredo
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2015 01:41 PM (rDqRv)
I still don't get that one. Deen testified, on the stand, that she may have used the N word in reference to a guy who pointed a gun at her thirty years prior. I get that the N word is terrible with all its history, but is it worse than a plausible death threat? I don't think it is.
Everything else in that case is he said she said.
Posted by: bonhomme at May 27, 2015 01:41 PM (jhqr1)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2015 01:36 PM (rDqRv)
I don't know, it does seem... bizarre to me.
If he was 8 or 9 not 13 or 14 I could say "eh, kid had no idea what he was even doing anyways". by 14? I don't know.
Either way, I don't really see anything criminal going on here. Bizarre, yes. And his parents seemed to take it very seriously and they seem to believe it was resolved, so... I don't know. Guy may be a huge pedophile creep. I have no idea. But my gut says probably not.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:41 PM (AkOaV)
My son was married in Episcopal church my a lesbian.
She actually is pretty conservative. Yes, she DOES drive a lesbauru.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 27, 2015 01:42 PM (0FSuD)
When I was active duty, I started with Reagan as CIC and then Clinton. To call it a sea change is an understatement. Under Clinton we started having to do intense Sexual Harrassment training, Diversity, and all of the regular liberal feel good crap.
Meanwhile -
Lt. Col. Buzz Patterson (USAF Ret.), who carried the nuclear football for Clinton which gave him unlimited access to the bent one for a year that whenever Hillary left town, the White House turned into a Frat House. One incident on AF1 Clinton was harassing a young, female flight crew member and she went up to Patterson in tears and asked if he could get the fucking President to knock it off.
These are the people we have put in office.
Posted by: Cheri at May 27, 2015 01:42 PM (oiNtH)
Fair is fair.
Let's see. Josh Duggar touched minors.
Muzzies killed almost 4K Americans on 9/11, and I could stop there but I won't.
Maybe you need to read up on the ISIS atrocities because you clearly haven't.
Comparing one Christian to the many heinous acts of Muzzies is Obama logic.
Do lecture us about the Crusades for your next act.
Posted by: Citizen X at May 27, 2015 01:43 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Fritz at May 27, 2015 01:43 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 01:41 PM (PW0WF)
NYT and other true believers want Hillary gone ASAP.
They hate the Clintons (who also hate the press).
They want to clear the path for a true, enlightened thinker like themselves.
DeBlasio, OMalley, Warren... any of them would fit the bill better. DeBlasio has the home field advantage, but he's also an unlikable prick.
Warren is a lying scumbag, also very unlikable.
My guess is they coalesce behind OMalley.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:43 PM (AkOaV)
Depending on the ages involved, yeah not terribly unusual for kids to touch sometimes. And not evidence of some horrible evil or dark pattern of molestation in his heart.
Either way: what Lena Dunham jokingly claims she did was 10,000 times worse, and her parents did nothing about it, and she's celebrated by "war on women rape culture" psychos. Target that.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 01:43 PM (39g3+)
No. All of the other holier-than-thou big shots.
Jim and Tammy Faye. Jimmy Swaggart. Rev'rund Jesse Jackson. Al Sharpton. Lesser knowns in every town across this land.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 01:43 PM (PW0WF)
Posted by: Huma Abedin at May 27, 2015 01:44 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Onan at May 27, 2015 01:44 PM (y/p2Y)
A plurality of leftists hold up the freaking Westboro Baptist Church as representative of cray-zee Christian conservatives. If you point out the dead patriarch's strong ties to Al Gore and the fact he had a legit campaign for Senate as a Democrat they look at you like you grew two heads.
Posted by: bonhomme at May 27, 2015 01:45 PM (jhqr1)
If the mystery candidate is a Republican, THEN FULL STEAM AHEAD, BITCHES! 24/7 coverage until Election Day!
Posted by: Tunkhannock at May 27, 2015 01:45 PM (goOhI)
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 27, 2015 01:37 PM (0FSuD)
--Ted is dead and I'm retired, so that rules the waitress sandwich out.
Posted by: Christopher Todd at May 27, 2015 01:45 PM (5C6uz)
What I'm saying is that as an open Christian (or republican or conservative) you cannot become famous and known if you have any skeletons in your closet, because they WILL be revealed and they will do terrible harm to your family and children when they are.
It's unfair, yes, but that's the way it is.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:45 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Huma Abedin at May 27, 2015 01:44 PM (LISuA)
YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!
Posted by: TFG O'bumbleshit at May 27, 2015 01:45 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Fritz at May 27, 2015 01:43 PM (UzPAd)
If all sexual contact is rape if one of the parties wants it to be then government gets more and more involved in what was once a private matter. It is yet another way to make us all criminals.
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at May 27, 2015 01:46 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Darth Randall at May 27, 2015 01:46 PM (6n332)
heinous acts of Muzzies is Obama logic.
Re-read. I was attacking the left for comparing Duggar to all Christians.
If the left wants to play that game......
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 01:46 PM (PW0WF)
Its a standard punchline and comedians get tons of mileage out of it but I think the whole "married people never get laid" thing is one of the most tired and false piles of crap ever spewed on the public.
I think what happens is that married people get old and have kids and get tired. Its not marriage, its LIFE. You don't get laid as much when you're 40 as a single guy either.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 01:47 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: TFG O'bumbleshit at May 27, 2015 01:45 PM (fWAjv)
==========================
Anthony? Is that you?
Posted by: Huma Abedin at May 27, 2015 01:48 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 01:49 PM (RJMhd)
...if there had NEVER been any interviews with the police and thus no police report had been generated, they would be good to go. Deny 'till you die, baby.
But by being honest about the whole situation (making the daughters available for interview based on an anonymous email to the oprah show), then allowing this police report to still exist, they shot themselves in the foot.
There's a lesson there.
There's also a lesson for any other family in a similar situation. Do not go to the police, lawyer up immediately if you are contacted by the police. Because anything in a police report, no matter how "sealed" is not private. Clearly. So yay to the PD for making it less likely that other victims will come forward in the future.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:50 PM (AkOaV)
I get laid more at 52 than I ever did at 35. Took a second marriage, of course.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 01:51 PM (PW0WF)
There seems to be more focus on condemning him as a hypocrite than as a molester (which he may not have been either).
Look folks, the opposite of a hypocrite is not a saint. It is one who advocates the bad that he does, knowing it as bad and in spite of the damage it would do to anyone else who engages in it.
THAT is way more evil than hiding what you are ashamed of while speaking ill of the practice.
Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 27, 2015 01:51 PM (i7JE3)
I don't think it's normal to touch your siblings at 14, but it's not normal to have 19 of them so I don't know if some of that familial feeling kind of gets...confused?
No. All of the other holier-than-thou big shots.
Jim and Tammy Faye. Jimmy Swaggart. Rev'rund Jesse Jackson. Al Sharpton. Lesser knowns in every town across this land.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 01:43 PM (PW0WF)
I think you're being a little broad, then, in applying it to this particular instance. I find it distasteful, that's all. It seems to go Christian = imperfect = happiness. And all that other stuff gets applied to them (holier than thou, etc).
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 01:51 PM (lIU4e)
Weasel Zippes
Really? Ya just found that our now? Welcome to the party assholes
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2015 01:51 PM (rDqRv)
party are worried that if hillary gets thru the primaries she might be
easy pickings in the General Election. They are getting nervous and
would rather side track her now
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2015 01:38 PM (rDqRv)
Yep, I suspect you're right. I imagine there is a lot of debate going on in the Democrat party right now about whether or not the MSM can carry her dumpy ass over the finish line, or whether they need to go to plan B right now.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 01:52 PM (oKE6c)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/qd4o2l4
It's ridiculous, but that's the Left. They just smear at any opportunity; doesn't have to actually make sense.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 01:52 PM (syMdD)
(cough)Crusades(cough)
Posted by: President Saladin Obama at May 27, 2015 01:52 PM (goOhI)
Posted by: Howard Dean at May 27, 2015 01:52 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2015 01:52 PM (rDqRv)
I have to feel for the kid. He was home schooled, internet access was strictly curtailed, and at age 14 I'm sure he was (naturally) ... curious.
But your own sisters? Eh.
in other words, if the victims had been neighborhood girls, this story would be a big nothingburger. The incest angle is what makes the left so giddy about it.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:53 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Reggie, the butt fucker at May 27, 2015 01:53 PM (0FSuD)
They should be orgasming over the Dunham story then.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 01:54 PM (g+n/q)
I agree the powers in the D party don't want her anywhere near the top of the ticket.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 01:54 PM (S+el1)
Posted by: Tunkhannock at May 27, 2015 01:45 PM (goOhI)
Which would suggest they keep this puppy on the back burner until they find out who the Republican candidate is, then voila! they break the tell-all story, which has probably already been written, with text fields that say [insert Republican candidate's name here].
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 01:55 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Mohamed, the goat fucker at May 27, 2015 01:55 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Chicken Humper at May 27, 2015 01:55 PM (y/p2Y)
Yep. And NOBODY reporting on this story or commenting has read the actual police reports.
This is totally narrative driven. Fits right in to their "war on women part II" narrative for 2016.
So every republican candidate will be asked their opinions on this, we'll get reflective articles on how home schooling leads to incestual rape and how christian patriarchy encourages rape to be covered up.
Wouldn't be surprised if a related question comes up in the R debates.
Its how our media works.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:56 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 01:56 PM (RQFyv)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 01:56 PM (syMdD)
I "Think" the left and many in the democratic
party are worried that if hillary gets thru the primaries she might be
easy pickings in the General Election. They are getting nervous and
would rather side track her now
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2015 01:38 PM (rDqRv)
Yep,
I suspect you're right. I imagine there is a lot of debate going on in
the Democrat party right now about whether or not the MSM can carry her
dumpy ass over the finish line, or whether they need to go to plan B
right now.
-----------------
I think Plan B is in the works right now in Obummer's faction. Grandma Shrillary can think she can win, but all Obummer has to do is wait until January 2016 and then speak nicely about a just-declared candidate. All the hope-and-change idiots will immediately cheer, the MSM will dutifully follow along, and Grandma will go off the tracks like Amtrak.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 01:56 PM (/mTq0)
Posted by: Couchfucker at May 27, 2015 01:56 PM (NF2Bf)
If she were a republican who had cut an ad for Mitt Romney in 2012 instead of for Obama in 2012, they would be.
But shes "got her head right" on politics, so she doesn't fit in to their narrative and thus her story is unimportant.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:57 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: donna at May 27, 2015 01:58 PM (Bn6aD)
Who is an Ethicist? Who trains them? Who certifies them? Is there some course of instruction that I'm not aware of that gives a person a better command of right and wrong?
It just sounds like the job title of a person who you consult when you want a flowchart that says it's okay to do something horrible to someone else, Because Reasons and Stuff.
Posted by: Secundus at May 27, 2015 01:58 PM (VqSff)
Wait. Soccer officials are crooks? Say it isn't so, and why are we spending US tax dollars on this obvious fact?
Help me out here. I guess we haven't pissed off part of the world, so left go piss them off.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 27, 2015 01:58 PM (0FSuD)
I didn't realize he was home schooled too. What I mean is that their situation may be odd enough that it could explain his behavior when hormones hit and he didn't know what to do with them?
Also, neo had post the other day that mentioned that youthful behavior like this doesn't usually lead to lifetime abusive behavior like it does with adult offenders, which relieves me a bit in that I think he probably isn't doing anything like this now that he's a married adult. Also, the fact that what he did do seems to have been pretty mild if it was just touching sleeping people so lightly they never even woke up...
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 01:58 PM (lIU4e)
worked*
They dropped him like an armed asshole on an assassination run with a backpack full of chik fil a sandwiches (again, probably too soon... ah, oh well)
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:58 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Chicken Humper at May 27, 2015 01:59 PM (y/p2Y)
yeah. The whole family is homeschooled and has very limited interaction with the world outside their church and community.
Which isn't a BAD thing, but it will be brought up and made to look like a bad thing if I know my media and their narratives as well as I think I do.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 01:59 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 01:59 PM (RQFyv)
Posted by: bonhomme
I like to note that most of the 'flock' are lawyers and are lawsuit happy. They employ the same tactics as the occurapists and the ecofreaks; start riots and then sue for excessive force, civil rights infringements, whatever sticks.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 27, 2015 02:00 PM (Spluw)
It's your own fault, teabagger! If those people at the FRC had the good sense to die when one of our more enthusiastic Chick-Fil-A-loving members paid a visit in August 2012, we wouldn't be able to use him against you!
Posted by: Probably Some College Student Somewhere at May 27, 2015 02:01 PM (goOhI)
Posted by: Brown Line at May 27, 2015 02:02 PM (zcbZo)
Posted by: donna at May 27, 2015 02:02 PM (Bn6aD)
Mikey
Sorry just seeing your question now. If it's the Hillary campaign the play would be to get the dirt out in the open now. Most voters would forget or buy the "it is old news line" by the time of the actual election.
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 02:03 PM (RJMhd)
A plurality of leftists hold up the freaking Westboro Baptist Church as
representative of cray-zee Christian conservatives. If you point out the
dead patriarch's strong ties to Al Gore and the fact he had a legit
campaign for Senate as a Democrat they look at you like you grew two
heads.
I'm convinced the WBC is a Dem-funded front to make a convenient villain for Ds to run against.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 27, 2015 02:03 PM (oVJmc)
I had a truck that sat in a ditch for six hours, thanks AAA. It's still fcuked up.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 27, 2015 02:03 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: donna at May 27, 2015 01:58 PM (Bn6aD)
Sure they would. This is a fight for control of the Democratic party between the Obama camp and the Clinton camp. The Obama's DON'T want the Clinton's anywhere near the white house in fear of losing their positions as power brokers in the D party and that the Clinton may roll back some of Obama's policies. Not to mention that the Clintons and Obamas hate each other on a very personal level. See Bill Clinton and the race card being play on him. The Obama camp would much rather have Warren or O'Malley at the top of the ticket. Both are much closer to him in ideology than Hillary.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 02:04 PM (S+el1)
Beyond parody, it is.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 27, 2015 02:06 PM (XmOA9)
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 02:04 PM (S+el1)
Yeah not so much with O'Malley. He is more of a centerist like canckles
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2015 02:06 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: Hepcat at May 27, 2015 02:06 PM (IeR2g)
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 02:04 PM (S+el1)
Not even ideologically. They're much easier to "bring in to the fold" and keep the "Obama machine" rolling.
The Clintons have their own people, their own organizations, they own shit. They don't need Obama.
And they don't like him.
For someone like Obama and his team who want to remain power brokers in DC, having the Clintons come in and put their people in all the important positions would mean they lose a LOT of power very quickly.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 02:06 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 01:52 PM (syMdD)
Yep. And NOBODY reporting on this story or commenting has read the actual police reports.
This is totally narrative driven. Fits right in to their "war on women part II" narrative for 2016.
Its how our media works.
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I heard that, the MSM is still pushing that line even though they got burned for it in 2004. It's all about the narrative, truth is not needed, 'cause they decide what is truth. So therefore I totally do not buy the GOP connection. This was a Democrat campaign (compare Donk to GOP people for records in sexual crimes), the anonymous accomplice is a Donk lackey who played along like a good little minion, and now is wondering if he/she should do the right thing and terminate a political career. It's misdirection from the drive-by media, to get our eyes off Obummer's complete failure and Shrillary's lack of success.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 02:07 PM (/mTq0)
Wait. Soccer officials are crooks? Say it isn't so, and why are we spending US tax dollars on this obvious fact?
Help me out here. I guess we haven't pissed off part of the world, so left go piss them off.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 27, 2015 01:58 PM (0FSuD)
--FIFA, the IOC, and the UN are "non-profits" pretty much the model on which the Clinton Foundation runs.
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 02:08 PM (RQFyv)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2015 02:06 PM (rDqRv)
They are all dishonest hacks and will say and do whatever they think is necessary to cement their power.
No potential D candidate will be a 'moderate.' they will all run and govern as big government as they can (for themselves and their cronies), and as leftist as they need to (for the base).
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 02:08 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2015 02:06 PM (rDqRv)
But he is controllable. Jarrett has referred to him as O'Mallible. And I don't think many in MD would call him a centrist.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 02:08 PM (S+el1)
Wondering what the next ad campaign will look like.
I was gobsmacked by the "NAVY: A Global Force For Good" campaign, and then read that this was a deliberate gambit to attract special snowflakes.
Focus groups with Snowflakes revealed that they really like the idea of doing things like delivering humanitarian relief. Fighting wars? Eh, not so much.
Presto: the Navy rebrand themselves as worldsavers instead of warfighters.
Meanwhile, the Chicom navy are steadily putting one new major combatant hull in the water every week, and are rolling out new weapons systems and tactical doctrines specifically meant to turn American naval battle groups into clusters of artificial reefs.
They are actively, aggressively preparing for war. What are the Snowflakes gonna do when it comes?
Posted by: torquewrench at May 27, 2015 02:08 PM (noWW6)
Exactly
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 02:09 PM (S+el1)
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 02:09 PM (RQFyv)
Posted by: Jean at May 27, 2015 02:10 PM (ztOda)
Apparently Josh Duggar works for the Family Research Council, so it's a twofer getting to slam him and his employer, and probably also why they have so many pics of him w/Republicans like Palin, Cruz, Walker and Huckabee.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 01:56 PM (syMdD)
One of the stupid, obvious little jokes that Hollywood ALWAYS puts into it's dreck is that the villain has personal photos on their desk with Reagan, Nixon, Thatcher, Bush etc. Dood, it wasn't funny the first time, and 40 years of endlessly beating the room-temperature equine doesn't make it funny either.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 27, 2015 02:10 PM (ba0Bt)
I was talking about the Duggar situation. Not sure what you're referring to in '04 (the swift boat guys?), but media narratives are VERY successful.
Look at the single women turnout in 2012, especially among minority women. Way up, way overwhelmingly D voting.
Married women went for Romney.
They micro target groups and collude with the media to get narratives going to bring those groups out to the polls on election day
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 02:10 PM (AkOaV)
Well, the long-running inside joke is that all of the New Yorker's lame cartoons are much more funny if you recaption them all as saying, "I think I'm going to kill myself," and frankly, contemplating the current field of GOP presidential aspirants does lend itself to that thought.
Posted by: torquewrench at May 27, 2015 02:10 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 02:08 PM (S+el1)
Compared to Warren, Sanders, The BCC, and others he is for a democrat. My point is simply he is NOT Fredo's candidate of choice
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2015 02:10 PM (rDqRv)
Cue the Village People "In the NAVY!!"...
Posted by: Lizzy at May 27, 2015 02:10 PM (syMdD)
IOW Hillary is like Ebola in their eye,.
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 02:11 PM (RJMhd)
the institutional media has put out something that is critical of the
Hillary! campaign. These people covered up for John Edwards and yet now
they are leaking out stuff that could be about the Hillary campaign?
Stuff that isn't flattering?
Odd. What's the play, then?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Salutes All Who Have Protected
Our American Right To Gripe! at May 27, 2015 01:40 PM (hLRSq)"
The extreme left wing of the Democratic Party that got Barack Obama the nomination and then the election, does not want to give up control of the Democratic Party. If Hillary Clinton wins the nomination, the communist left will be just one faction contesting for power like the labor unions, or the environmentalists.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at May 27, 2015 02:12 PM (QHgTq)
"I let slip to a journalist friend the very basics of what happened, and
now I'm being asked for contacts who can confirm that it happened..."
So the potential whistleblower is being asked for contacts by a member of the media... and the whistleblower then writes to another member of the media for advice?
Would I be out of line to say I smell a rat?
Posted by: Keith Arnold at May 27, 2015 02:12 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2015 02:10 PM (rDqRv)
Agreed, that would be Warren. They're talking between both camps.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 02:12 PM (S+el1)
After trying to logroll his uncooperative friend, of course.
This story is hogwash.
Posted by: Name:
Spot on. Sounds like the "journo friend" just happens to have just met the writer 15 minutes before the secret was "slipped" and has no idea who or what or where. Or as I have personally witnessed with my own eyeballs and earholes, the "writer" and the "journo friend" are both following directions from higher ups.
Posted by: Daybrother at May 27, 2015 02:12 PM (cxrQM)
Yeah not so much with O'Malley. He is more of a centerist like canckles
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2015 02:06 PM (rDqRv)
They are all dishonest hacks and will say and do whatever they think is necessary to cement their power.
No potential D candidate will be a 'moderate.' they will all run and govern as big government as they can (for themselves and their cronies), and as leftist as they need to (for the base).
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 02:08 PM (AkOaV)
Harold Ford, Cory Booker to name just two.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 27, 2015 02:12 PM (ba0Bt)
$2 billion was her campaigns stated goal.
And yes, on paper she's ready to go. But the dem base isn't particularly in love with her, the media and her don't get along, and the power brokers in DC had no problem dumping her for Obama in '08.
So I don't know how well Clinton will really do. We shall see.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 02:13 PM (AkOaV)
Latest New Yorker cover.
http://tinyurl.com/phe56gb
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Yeah yeah, same thing happens every election. GOP is only a party of straight white men who don't bone their female staffers and interns, that's been the image since FDR. Republican women and minorities are literally not in the picture. I wonder if the minority woman campaigns can make use of this?
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 02:13 PM (/mTq0)
Ahem.
"I let slip to a journalist friend the very basics of what happened, and
now I'm being asked for contacts who can confirm that it happened..."
So
the potential whistleblower is being asked for contacts by a member of
the media... and the whistleblower then writes to another member of the
media for advice?
Would I be out of line to say I smell a rat?
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You smell a ginormous NY sewer rat.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 02:14 PM (/mTq0)
Who is an Ethicist? Who trains them? Who certifies them? Is there some course of instruction that I'm not aware of that gives a person a better command of right and wrong?
It just sounds like the job title of a person who you consult when you want a flowchart that says it's okay to do something horrible to someone else, Because Reasons and Stuff.
Posted by: Secundus at May 27, 2015 01:58 PM (VqSff)
--Hell, now that we know any idiot can be President, ethicist is small beer.
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 02:14 PM (hO9jS)
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You smell a ginormous NY sewer rat.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 02:14 PM (/mTq0)
That's just ValJar's perfume
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 02:15 PM (S+el1)
I could be wrong.
But she's so shrill and unlikable (like Hillary).
And old white women are not exactly "cool" enough to get the LIVs to the polls.
I wouldn't be shocked if Julian Castro comes out of nowhere at some point. Obama did bring him inside the fold by making him secretary of HUD last year...
We'll see.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 02:16 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Keith Arnold
I guarantee that this is laying the groundwork for a flase rape claim being made against a REPUBLICAN candidate.
Ace, you are SO naive to think otherwise.
Huckabee, Santorum, and plenty of others ran in 2008 as well.
The charge will emerge publicly at some well-times moment, there will be a huge flurry of outrage, attempts will be made to smear ALL GOP candidates, a lot of analysis and essays will be written, the women's vote will be sewed up...
...and then...
...the entire incident will be revealed to have NO evidence backing it up, and will be as fake as the UVA or mattress-girl incidents.
But that will be too late. The damage will be done.
Standard Operating Procedure for the ESL (Emotional Slandering Left).
Posted by: zombie at May 27, 2015 02:16 PM (jBuUi)
DUNHAM: I stopped wearing the nude patch after the first season of Girls. There's not one guy who works on that show who hasn't seen the inside of my vagina.
Posted by: Sean Connery at May 27, 2015 02:16 PM (LISuA)
and then read that this was a deliberate gambit to attract special
snowflakes.
Focus groups with Snowflakes revealed that they really like the idea
of doing things like delivering humanitarian relief. Fighting wars? Eh,
not so much.
Presto: the Navy rebrand themselves as worldsavers instead of warfighters.
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Dunno why you are surprised with the closet Commie in the White House who wants to fundamentally transform us into Zimbabwe.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 02:17 PM (/mTq0)
Not to mention bewitched, bothered and bewildered.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 27, 2015 02:17 PM (8ZskC)
The 9th Circuit has lost its mind protecting murderers:
http://goo.gl/kEOkiu
His name is Kenneth Clair.
http://goo.gl/Yi5WI6
Posted by: Bruce But Not Jenner at May 27, 2015 02:17 PM (iQIUe)
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What's the option other than Warren? They have no bench to pull from.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 02:17 PM (S+el1)
Hillaryland is not going to make the same mistake again, hence the clearing of the Democrat field.
She actually won most of the larger states except Illinois and maybe one other.
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 02:18 PM (RJMhd)
the potential whistleblower is being asked for contacts by a member of
the media... and the whistleblower then writes to another member of the
media for advice?
Would I be out of line to say I smell a rat?
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You smell a ginormous NY sewer rat.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 02:14 PM (/mTq0)
At least we now know what Sabrina Rubin Erdeley is doing now.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 02:18 PM (oKE6c)
I swear, I could watch videos of cars, trucks, planes, missiles plowing into journalists all day.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 27, 2015 02:18 PM (AC0lD)
Oh, I'm sure the guys working on the show are just THRILLED by that.
And they can't look away, because that would be body shaming.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 02:18 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 02:14 PM (hO9jS)
Not any idiot. But an idiot can be president.
If any idiot could, I'd run!
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 27, 2015 02:18 PM (XmOA9)
colleagues and that campaign higher-ups made the problem go away.
Any glass tables involved?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 02:18 PM (oKE6c)
There is a reason why somebody planted this story. Nobody writing to this Upper West Side Dear Abby writes for actual advice.
Posted by: AmishDude at May 27, 2015 02:20 PM (b4b5c)
OMalley. Julian Castro.
Mayyybe Corey Booker.
Someone mentioned Harold Ford. Think that might be a stretch (where's he been for the last 10 years?!) but it's always possible.
It doesn't really matter. They just need to find someone who is willing to do what needs to be done and the media will help them backfill all of the details later.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 02:20 PM (AkOaV)
The Ninth Circus was one of the first casualties of the post-1960s "long march through the institutions". They lost their collective mind quite a while back.
Posted by: torquewrench at May 27, 2015 02:20 PM (noWW6)
the first season of Girls. There's not one guy who works on that show
who hasn't seen the inside of my vagina.
Posted by: Sean Connery at May 27, 2015 02:16 PM (LISuA)
And there goes lunch ...
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 02:20 PM (oKE6c)
I feel in your words the reluctance you feel to call out a politician you admire. But for justice and the American way you must tell all you know about the sneaky underhanded Republican candidate who's campaign you worked on.
Sincerely
NYT's Ethicist
Posted by: NYT's Ethicist at May 27, 2015 02:20 PM (wrS2o)
Would I be out of line to say I smell a rat?
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You smell a ginormous NY sewer rat.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 02:14 PM (/mTq0)
That's just ValJar's perfume
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Yeah, smells like Chicago-style politics...
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 02:20 PM (/mTq0)
On the Dem side:
Hillz
On the GOP side:
Jebbie
Marco
Perry
Fat Boy
Fuckabee
Walker
Paul
Fiorina
I'd say the odds favor it being a GOP candidate.
This is my shocked face.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 27, 2015 02:21 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: steevy at May 27, 2015 02:21 PM (mGBKM)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 27, 2015 02:10 PM (ba0Bt)
Are you threatening me?
Posted by: Cornholio at May 27, 2015 02:21 PM (hO9jS)
She actually won most of the larger states except Illinois and maybe one other.
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 02:18 PM (RJMhd)
I thought she won all of the primaries but lost all of the caucuses, or something like. And if there's any outfit that knows how to pack a meeting, it's the CPUSA.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 02:21 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2015 02:21 PM (rDqRv)
I don't think Hillary did anything wrong, really.
The media and their dem allies turned on them. Which was unexpected.
The MSM drives the left in a way that the left thinks Rush Limbaugh drives conservatives. MSM says "now bill clinton (who we used to call the first black president) is a racist, vote for Obama" and SC primary voters say "okay!"
So if the media and the D establishment doesn't want Hillary (they don't), I'd be watching my back if I were her.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 02:22 PM (AkOaV)
This is my shocked face.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 27, 2015 02:21 PM (8ZskC)
My guess: the story is inspired by a Democrat candidate (if it's not made up entirely), but the target will be morphed into whoever gets the Republican nomination.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 02:23 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: AmishDude at May 27, 2015 02:20 PM (b4b5c)
Exactly.
IRS targeting of conservative groups was revealed by IRS planted question at ABA conference. It's in the playbook.
Time will tell whether it is to sink Hillary or an as yet named GOP candidate.
Posted by: flounder, now with pregnant hands at May 27, 2015 02:23 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: exdem13
That's just ValJar's
Posted by: wrg500
FIFY.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 02:24 PM (g+n/q)
However, the story at the top of the page here says "major political campaign", does it have to be a Presidential campaign to be "major"?
Why not Senator or Gov?
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at May 27, 2015 02:24 PM (X+nFp)
403
Alex, I'll take memorable Lena Dunham quotes for 20:
DUNHAM: I stopped wearing the nude patch after the first season
of Girls. There's not one guy who works on that show who hasn't seen the
inside of my vagina.
Posted by: Sean Connery at May 27, 2015 02:16 PM (LISuA)<<<
You know, coming from the brain-dead whale who was buggerin' me when I was not even in kindergarten.......
Posted by: Lena Dunham's sister at May 27, 2015 02:24 PM (sCHw2)
==========
Also, The Comedian from the The Watchmen
Posted by: Bigby's Work Gloves at May 27, 2015 02:25 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: Iblis at May 27, 2015 02:25 PM (9221z)
Posted by: steevy at May 27, 2015 02:25 PM (mGBKM)
and then read that this was a deliberate gambit to attract special
snowflakes.
--I also hate the Marines ad that begin with a wall: "Walls They divide, segregate," etc. I always mutter to myself, "Walls can also protect!"
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 02:25 PM (hO9jS)
Would I be out of line to say I smell a rat?
Posted by: Keith Arnold
I guarantee that this is laying the groundwork for a flase rape claim being made against a REPUBLICAN candidate.
Ace, you are SO naive to think otherwise.
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I am with the zombie on this one, it is a pre-emptive strike by the Obummer Chicago crowd. No names have been mentioned yet 'cause they don't know which GOP candidate to pin the tail on yet.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 02:26 PM (/mTq0)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 27, 2015 02:26 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Guess I didn't get one.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 02:26 PM (g+n/q)
This is my shocked face.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 27, 2015 02:21 PM (8ZskC)
When you factor in Bill Clinton as a potential colleague, the odds even out.
Posted by: flounder, now with pregnant hands at May 27, 2015 02:26 PM (ecDRv)
And there is a cogent argument why it might be an R, and not a D.
The candidate I worked for is running again. I still support the candidate, and I do not want the opponent in office. On the other hand, I am aghast that the organization would cover up such a heinous crime.
Another potential tell is the use of "opponent" in that phrase. The GOP field is wide open, full of giants and midgets, but nobody knows who will win.
There is only one contestant in the game who is a huge favorite to be frontrunner an nominee.
Hillary. Ergo, one of the republicans.
Zombie is probably right.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 27, 2015 02:26 PM (XmOA9)
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search PUMA I think
Posted by: Bigby's Work Gloves at May 27, 2015 02:26 PM (Cq0oW)
who hasn't seen the inside of my vagina.
I don't have enough hands to cover my eyes!
Posted by: Vishnu at May 27, 2015 02:26 PM (O7Hke)
I saw that there were photos of Rumer Willis in a bikini playing football. Yeah, right. lol
Have we not seen her nude or semi nude for weeks on end? It gets old especially since the ones who strip the most are no Marilyn Monroes.
Posted by: Bruce But Not Jenner at May 27, 2015 02:27 PM (iQIUe)
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No, look at the wording of the letter.
My first job out of college was at a major political campaign. 60% chance at least Dem.
The candidate I worked for is running again. I still support the candidate, and I do not want the opponent in office.
So for the Dems you have
Hillary
Repubs as of today
Huckabee
Perry
Santorum
Who meets the criteria of the "letter" best? Hillary
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 02:27 PM (S+el1)
That's about how I remember it. Obama really outmaneuvered them in the caucuses. In Iowa they benefited from the oral vote and the Bradley effect. In Nevada they got the union and actually locked her delegates out, then Texas had some two step process which Hillary won the first part, but Obama ended up winning.
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 02:28 PM (RJMhd)
the first season of Girls. There's not one guy who works on that show
who hasn't seen the inside of my vagina.
Hey, Lena, looks like you dropped your extra large corned beef sandwich in your lap.
Lemme help you clean that u-
.....Oh.
Ohhhhhhhh......
Posted by: The Best Boy at May 27, 2015 02:29 PM (0cMkb)
This is my shocked face.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 27, 2015 02:21 PM (8ZskC)
No, the writer said the candidate ran 7 years ago and is running again.
Only 3 repubs meet that requirement see 443
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 02:29 PM (S+el1)
Hillary
That's also if you take the letter at face value.
7 years? Could be 4, 7, 8, etc.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 02:29 PM (g+n/q)
a reporter once asked her why she was nude in so much of the show and she and her producer got so indignant about body shaming that no one has asked her since.
some kind of voyeurism I guess. Guys didnt want to see her vajayjay in college, so now shes forcing her crew to see her nekkid and for her "fans" to see her butt every few minutes.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 02:31 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at May 27, 2015 02:31 PM (HEa5q)
Posted by: The Guys on Lena Dunham's Crew at May 27, 2015 02:31 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Bruce But Not Jenner at May 27, 2015 02:31 PM (iQIUe)
The real culprit is some guy in Shrillary's campaign. But that is not the narrative, so the MS is working on the rewrite....
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 02:32 PM (/mTq0)
Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2015 02:32 PM (B/VB5)
7 years? Could be 4, 7, 8, etc.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 02:29 PM (g+n/q)
Letter says 7 years. Where do you get 4,7,8 when it says 7?
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 02:32 PM (S+el1)
Isnt the vagina the inside? Is she making the guys who work on the show use a speculum on her?
Posted by: Bruce But Not Jenner at May 27, 2015 02:33 PM (iQIUe)
Thanks I need a simple term to search via mobile.
***
Mynewhandle
I don't think we have proof that the media is against her.
In fact Benghazi proves otherwise.
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 02:33 PM (RJMhd)
There is only one contestant in the game who is a huge favorite to be frontrunner an nominee.
Hillary. Ergo, one of the republicans.
Zombie is probably right.
Posted by: OneEyedJac
^^^^ THIS!!!! ^^^^
Brilliant detective work.
You win the Father Brown/Perry Mason/Sherlock Holmes/Professor Van Dusen Award for the day!
This tell gives away the game.
It is the keystone of a hit-piece against a Republican.
Posted by: zombie at May 27, 2015 02:33 PM (jBuUi)
Yes.
Or it might not be a presidential candidate.
Or it may be entirely made up.
Or it may be just a new piece of the war on wymynz narrative, which would mean its probably fabricated and it's probably aimed at a prominent R (my guess would be huckabee, based on his defense of "molester" josh duggar) so that they can paint all R's with a "pro-rape culture" brush and spend hours and hours of TV time asking every R running for every office to comment on their thoughts on rape.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 02:33 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Bigby's Work Gloves at May 27, 2015 02:34 PM (Cq0oW)
A question is on the table.
Why does it have to be a Presidential campaign?
I'm really disturbed by this turn of events. Usually by now, nearly 500 comments in, the Horde would have solved this and all other problems put before it.
Me thinks y'all are just phoning it in now.
Focus people focus.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at May 27, 2015 02:34 PM (X+nFp)
The letter already sounds like a con job, yet you want to believe 7 is sacrosanct?
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 02:34 PM (g+n/q)
Posted by: NYC Parent adding lead shielding to his bunker at May 27, 2015 02:34 PM (HEo6y)
Benghazi was about protecting Obama in the run up to 2012.
Hillary will not speak with the media. They called her husband racist in 2008 and cost her the nomination (in her eyes).
NYT has been running piece after piece on the Clinton Family Crime Foundation.
Hillary famously hates the media and has since the vast right wing conspiracy made her husband cigar rape an intern.
I just... I don't know. We saw this all play out in '08.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 02:35 PM (AkOaV)
Only 3 repubs meet that requirement see 443
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 02:29 PM (S+el1)
Doesn't have to be a presidential candidate.
Posted by: AmishDude at May 27, 2015 02:35 PM (b4b5c)
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 02:32 PM (/mTq0)
--Not to nitpick, but Perry *was* Governor.
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 02:36 PM (RQFyv)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 27, 2015 02:36 PM (oVJmc)
We have. It's a con job.
As usual, the media lies.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 02:36 PM (g+n/q)
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 02:17 PM (S+el1)
Rally Behind O'Malley!
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Salutes All Who Have Protected Our American Right To Gripe! at May 27, 2015 02:36 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2015 02:32 PM (B/VB5
If a dem said that, how would they know who the opponent is in a wide open field?
But republicans are all eyeing Hellary as the presumptive nominee, thus the use of opponent in the singular.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 27, 2015 02:36 PM (XmOA9)
nah, shes on hbo or showtime. They can do what they want.
but i dont think they show va jay jays.
i dont know though, i've never seen her show (other than the analingus scene with brian williams daughter. i did see that. twice.)
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 02:36 PM (AkOaV)
They loved showing d shots.
Don't know why. Didn't further the plot at all.
Probably just because they could.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 02:37 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: steevy at May 27, 2015 02:37 PM (mGBKM)
What's the option other than Warren? They have no bench to pull from.
I think it's hilarious that the sitting Vice-President of the United States isn't taken seriously by anyone.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 27, 2015 02:37 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Bruce But Not Jenner at May 27, 2015 02:37 PM (iQIUe)
Jay
That's about how I remember it. Obama really outmaneuvered them in
the caucuses. In Iowa they benefited from the oral vote and the Bradley
effect. In Nevada they got the union and actually locked her delegates
out, then Texas had some two step process which Hillary won the first
part, but Obama ended up winning.
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That's how I remember it too. Obummer's team got crafty and exploited the caucus rules like a junior high D and D player. Shrillary got flattened in several key states that way and her supporters were NOT amused. (The TX caucus was particularly egregious.) But the claims of fraud went nowhere in the MSM. Obummer cruised into the convention the big winner while Slick Willy grumbled he ought to have been the coffee boy.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 02:38 PM (/mTq0)
Posted by: zombie at May 27, 2015 02:33 PM (jBuUi)
It's the only reason they would use the NYT to launder this accusation.
Posted by: AmishDude at May 27, 2015 02:38 PM (b4b5c)
Posted by: Bigby's Work Gloves at May 27, 2015 02:34 PM (Cq0oW)
She could be wearing a burkha and it would be subject to censure. But censor? I don't think so since it is on cable, not broadcast.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Salutes All Who Have Protected Our American Right To Gripe! at May 27, 2015 02:38 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2015 02:32 PM (B/VB5)
Its true Dems do put party ahead of everything. But because of that fact, and the fact that there's now a story in the media, makes me think its a hit on the GOP. I mean who did Granny McCrime Family rape 7 years ago? Anthony Weiner?
Posted by: Iblis at May 27, 2015 02:38 PM (9221z)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 27, 2015 02:38 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 02:39 PM (g+n/q)
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 02:33 PM (AkOaV)
Trouble is that the 3 repub that meet the criteria of "running 7 years" ago Huckabee, Santorum and Perry have no chance what so ever of getting the nomination. So, an attack of this mature accomplishes nothing. None of the 3 will make it past the SC primary. So there is no "value" in an attack of this nature on the 3. Now Hillary on the other hand, this brings Billy Jeff into the conversation.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 02:39 PM (S+el1)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 27, 2015 02:37 PM (oVJmc)
Yeah, that guy's a fun' joke....
...
...
...
....Heeeeyyyy, wait a minute.
Posted by: Joe Biden at May 27, 2015 02:39 PM (0cMkb)
Focus people focus.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at May 27, 2015 02:34 PM (X+nFp)
Yeah, probably. I don't care enough at this point, it's just brain candy, the kind you don't even have to chew.
More like brain cotton candy.
Waiter, a fresh thread, please.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 27, 2015 02:39 PM (XmOA9)
That would be simple demographics, the African American vote in that primary must be a huge percentage, probably a majority.
That's about the only way to block her on the left, you would have to run an African American candidate blessed by Obama.
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 02:39 PM (RJMhd)
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Slow Joe is bidin' his time.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 27, 2015 02:40 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2015 02:32 PM (B/VB5
If a dem said that, how would they know who the opponent is in a wide open field?
But republicans are all eyeing Hellary as the presumptive nominee, thus the use of opponent in the singular.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 27, 2015 02:36 PM (XmOA9)
--Another tell, piggybacking on zombie's take, is "the opponent." If it was "his opponent," it would be pretty vague, but "her opponent" would narrow things down considerably.
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 02:40 PM (RQFyv)
Posted by: AmishDude at May 27, 2015 02:35 PM (b4b5c)
The NYT wouldn't waste the ink if it wasn't
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 02:40 PM (S+el1)
Really though?
Todd Akin lost and was running for Senate, but all of the prominent R's still got tied to him. He cemented the war on women narrative for the media with his comments on rape.
The actual truth or whatever doesn't matter, if they can get ANY R to fit in to their narrative, they will paint all R's with that brush.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 02:40 PM (AkOaV)
Something happened to me in a
Should I tell voters, or not? Please keep this story to yourself.
Thanks!
Posted by: Val JarJar Jones, Average Person at May 27, 2015 02:41 PM (LISuA)
you would have to run an African American candidate blessed by Obama.
Or Pocahontas.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 02:41 PM (g+n/q)
Posted by: Bruce But Not Jenner at May 27, 2015 02:33 PM (iQIUe)
I'd rather go on a tour of Love Canal.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 02:42 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 02:32 PM (/mTq0)
--Not to nitpick, but Perry *was* Governor.
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 02:36 PM (RQFyv)
And Perry has no chance.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 02:42 PM (S+el1)
as mentioned upthread, she lost SC because the media turned on Bill and called him a racist for some of his comments on Obama being unqualified.
The media got the black voters in to a frenzy to support the black guy over the racist white woman, which changed the conventional wisdom about Hillary being a shoo in.
It was all downhill from there for Hillary.
Also one of the reasons she hates the media.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 02:42 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 27, 2015 02:42 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 02:43 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Bigby's Work Gloves at May 27, 2015 02:43 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: Bruce But Not Jenner at May 27, 2015 02:44 PM (iQIUe)
Tell me you didn't think maybe Bill Clinton had been up to his old tricks ?
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 02:45 PM (S+el1)
turned on Bill and called him a racist for some of his comments on
Obama being unqualified.
The media got the black voters in to a frenzy to support the black
guy over the racist white woman, which changed the conventional wisdom
about Hillary being a shoo in.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 27, 2015 02:42 PM (AkOaV)
And this is why Bill Clinton never tells the truth. The one time he did it, it blew up in his face.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 02:45 PM (oKE6c)
What's the option other than Warren? They have no bench to pull from.
I think it's hilarious that the sitting Vice-President of the United States isn't taken seriously by anyone.
------------------------------
Shirley you jest.
It would be endless fun for all us Morons, but...no. Biden was Oswald insurance for Obummer, as of 01/21/17 he will be quietly shipped off to The Lost Retirement Center For Vice Presidents.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 02:45 PM (/mTq0)
http://goo.gl/7dHzjN
Not bad. I like that it has two houses.
House and vomitorium?
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 02:46 PM (g+n/q)
Sepp, it's kinda bad when a Gulf sheik is running against you on the platform of change and reform.
Posted by: logprof at May 27, 2015 02:46 PM (RQFyv)
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 02:46 PM (g+n/q)
Stable.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 02:46 PM (oKE6c)
Let's remind ourselves here that various Christian social conservatives _actively urged Akin to stay in the race_, telling him that his faith was "being tested", and that an Akin victory was assured with God's helping hand.
This after anyone with even one functioning brain cell could see that Akin had become politically radioactive, had no hope at all of winning, and was inflicting enormous collateral damage on the rest of the GOP, including the top of the ticket.
I swear some of the socons must be long-term Democratic moles.
Posted by: torquewrench at May 27, 2015 02:47 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: River Guide at May 27, 2015 02:28 PM (RJMhd)
Don't forget the part where they just gave Obama some delegates somewhere he didn't even earn!
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 02:47 PM (lIU4e)
Here's Lena's LA sex pad:
http://goo.gl/7dHzjN
Not bad. I like that it has two houses.
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I don't believe that picture, it should be Rose Red.
Posted by: exdem13 at May 27, 2015 02:48 PM (/mTq0)
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Never underestimate the Clintons. Leaking a rape story through the Times that Hillary can use to rally her vaginas is a possibility. Keeps her in the news fighting for wimens and spanking evil males with penises.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 27, 2015 02:49 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 27, 2015 02:49 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2015 02:49 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 02:46 PM (g+n/q)
Stable.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2015 02:46 PM (oKE6c)
That's hot.
Posted by: Matthew Broderick at May 27, 2015 02:49 PM (RQFyv)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 27, 2015 02:49 PM (evdj2)
He just doesn't move the needle outside of Texas
Posted by: wrg500 at May 27, 2015 02:50 PM (S+el1)
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 27, 2015 02:51 PM (g+n/q)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 27, 2015 02:51 PM (wrS2o)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 27, 2015 02:49 PM (evdj2)
Damn I wanted to make a dirty joke, but nood.
Posted by: Lea at May 27, 2015 02:54 PM (lIU4e)
take the person who told you and back up their lives 7 years, see where they were and who they spent time with (social media was around, as well as any other number of records like where this person was employed etc), 7 years is not a normal term, so this person must have changed positions/elected office at some point . . . there is enough there, that a "journalist" should be able to put together some puzzle pieces and pursue this on their own
unless they are not able to punch their way out of a wet paper bag, which I imagine plenty of "journalists" are just lazy enough to find themselves in that position
I say this whole thing is FAKE for the "rape" angle and just drum up more proof that "the real victims are afraid to report it" so we can prop that one up more and more
Posted by: chelsea danger at May 27, 2015 02:58 PM (pBUj2)
Posted by: Ace's liver at May 27, 2015 03:00 PM (+azJs)
Posted by: Haiku Guy at May 27, 2015 03:09 PM (hmj8n)
????!!!
we're still pushing that ridiculous angle, huh?
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2015 03:09 PM (PA7DS)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at May 27, 2015 03:14 PM (g1MTt)
Posted by: PontyMython at May 27, 2015 03:46 PM (BYSrJ)
Posted by: Bubba at May 27, 2015 04:05 PM (3F6F8)
Posted by: righter at May 27, 2015 04:41 PM (r6HrP)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 27, 2015 01:11 PM
Thank God them sweaters are padded.
Pass me the biscuits, Pappy?
Posted by: HAL at May 27, 2015 04:42 PM (OmBeX)
Posted by: GlobalTrvlr at May 27, 2015 08:25 PM (XpaAV)
The candidate I worked for is running again. I still support the
candidate, and I do not want the opponent in office. On the other hand, I
am aghast that the organization would cover up such a heinous crime.
Dear demorat:
What has happened to your mind ? Get back in lockstep and if need be provide the rapist colleague with free non-judgmental sex so that he doesn't have to resort to rape. It's a standard approved and accepted since Juanita Broderick molested poor innocent bill. Get back on the plantation, and above all, KEEP YER MOUTH SHUT ! Let's get 'em re-elected, remember a demorat did it, NON-JUDGMENTAL !
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