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Is This The End of The Republican Party? When You've Lost Drudge..... [CBD]


The Blaze covers his tirade.

Is anyone surprised?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 11:30 AM




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1 I think of AtC's regular call:

RTM-FB,YM-FM-Fs!

Posted by: Kindltot at May 24, 2015 11:31 AM (t//F+)

2 I'm thinking more like this: Is this the end of the Republic?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 24, 2015 11:31 AM (5buP8)

3 I couldn't agree with Drudge more -- we are being sold down the river by the very Republicans we worked so hard to put in office.

Posted by: DaMav at May 24, 2015 11:32 AM (rT08W)

4 I'm still confused about this fast-track bill. Read the Huffington Post article in the sidebar.

All may not be lost.

Rubio and Cruz both voted for this thing. Of course, people who back Rubio will not criticize him for it, whereas (many) Cruz backers are screaming bloody murder.

Cruz needs to get out there and explain himself better - a press release is not adequate and Amanda Carpenter has been oddly silent. (Maybe she's on vacation -- bad timing.)

But before writing off Cruz as a traitor consider the other options. Each one of them has bad votes and/or bad positions.

(Not an endorsement, but I think Drudge and others may be overreacting to this thing.)

Posted by: Y-not at May 24, 2015 11:32 AM (RWGcK)

5 Burn it to the ground.

Posted by: brainpimp at May 24, 2015 11:34 AM (zosQc)

6 Hey remember how the establishment hacks here kept claiming that the problem was Harry Reid running the Senate? That it was him that would only allow bills the Obama would pass. That John Boehner was actually passing good bills that were just sitting on Reid's desk.

So what's happening now that McConnell is in charge establishment hacks? It sure as hell looks like the bills Obama wants are what is coming up for vote and its the "good bills" that Boehner was passing that have disappeared.

Yeah, "But the democrats are worse!" my left nut.

Posted by: buzzion at May 24, 2015 11:34 AM (zt+N6)

7 So, there could be a rider in that bill authorizing OBarry's 3rd term. How the f*%k is this even Constitutional??

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 24, 2015 11:35 AM (5buP8)

8 We need to take a page from the "Black Lives Matter" folks and start getting in people's faces. Show up in large groups at congressional offices, their homes, etc to let our elected officials know their support of obama and the current corrupt status quo isn't acceptable.

Posted by: elaine at May 24, 2015 11:36 AM (Y0Piu)

9 Somehow the GOP is on our side, or not against us, but sure as Hell looks like it is against us?

What part of "fight Obama" did they not understand?

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 11:37 AM (MQEz6)

10 Article V.

What they wont relinquish, take from them.

Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at May 24, 2015 11:37 AM (OpDDu)

11 Do you now see that the more you push the system to act the way you expect it to act, the more the system shows you it is not what you think it is?

The GOP does not oppose the Democrats, it substitutes for them.

There are members of the GOP who are what you think they should be, but they are not in control.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 11:40 AM (MQEz6)

12 It begins at the grassroots.
Vote incumbents out.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 24, 2015 11:41 AM (R7HUj)

13 Posted by: Y-not at May 24, 2015 11:32 AM (RWGcK)

I think his reaction is warranted, not by the contents of the bill, but because of the secrecy.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 24, 2015 11:42 AM (Zu3d9)

14
12 It begins at the grassroots.
Vote incumbents out.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 24, 2015 11:41 AM (R7HUj)

The Empire will not just sit there and watch that happen.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 11:42 AM (MQEz6)

15 12 It begins at the grassroots.
Vote incumbents out.

Sure. We voted Joe Donnelly out of the House. He ended up in the Senate.

Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at May 24, 2015 11:43 AM (OpDDu)

16 So, kinda like net neutrality, except this is congress doing it, not some gang of bureaucrats ?

I don't think we could make treason stick, but a violation of the oath of office for sure.

The end of the republic beyond any doubt.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 24, 2015 11:43 AM (Z8DIA)

17 Secret legislation? What the actual fuck? Did I jut wake up in the Soviet Union? WASTF.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 24, 2015 11:45 AM (mx5oN)

18 If you replaced the RINOs with folks you prefer, the Empire will counterattack with chaos.

EBT card glitches sparking riots, scandals popping up out of nowhere, etc.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 11:45 AM (MQEz6)

19 The end? The party is bigger than ever.

Posted by: SH at May 24, 2015 11:45 AM (UQU3u)

20 I'm not a proponent of Let it Burn.

But the Rs in Congress are playing with gasoline, and carelessly flinging lit matches about.

A planned dissolution of the Nation would probably not be running as smoothly.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 24, 2015 11:46 AM (RzZOc)

21 An intelligent GOPe leadership would be out there today, explaining why
this was necessary (ITO) and, absolutely critically, telling the base
"We know you're upset about this, and we understand why". Somehow, I
suspect the response will be more along the lines of mockery of the
wingnuts.

You go with that GOPe. After all, it's worked out so well for Jeb.

Posted by: pep at May 24, 2015 11:46 AM (LAe3v)

22 19
The end? The party is bigger than ever.

Posted by: SH


Do you think it will be when the base takes a walk?

Posted by: pep at May 24, 2015 11:47 AM (LAe3v)

23 Amnesty is the straw that will break the camel's back.

Oh, and if you think the GOP is going to or wants to end ObamaCare, wanna buy a bridge?

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 11:48 AM (MQEz6)

24 Lost me with funding DHS.

When the donks retake the senate in 16 it will be due to the GOPe shitting on their Base and the independents that voted for them in 14. That and nothing much else.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 24, 2015 11:48 AM (TV9BR)

25 @14. Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 11:42 AM (MQEz6)

It's going to be fun being in the New Underground.
:-)

Posted by: Diogenes at May 24, 2015 11:49 AM (R7HUj)

26 What will voters do when it dawns on them that voting is useless?

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 11:50 AM (MQEz6)

27 Meh. Drudge is right. The GOP is worthless. Nothing we all weren't already thinking.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 24, 2015 11:50 AM (oVJmc)

28 As I keep saying, D and R are two sides of the same coin. The lesser of two evils is still an evil.

Posted by: Titanium at May 24, 2015 11:51 AM (u9UgT)

29 I miss Harry Reid and the delusion I had that there was an opposition to evil.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 24, 2015 11:52 AM (TV9BR)

30 26 What will voters do when it dawns on them that voting is useless?
Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 11:50 AM (MQEz6)


"When in the course of human events..."

Posted by: rickl at May 24, 2015 11:53 AM (sdi6R)

31 An intelligent GOPe leadership would be out there today, explaining why this was necessary (ITO) and, absolutely critically, telling the base "We know you're upset about this, and we understand why".
---

^This.

And Cruz needs to do this or he has just killed his chances. Team Rubio will feed the "Cruz has betrayed us!" stuff, while they continue to coo over the Boy Wonder.


As a pragmatist and a realist, I can accept bad votes. But what I cannot accept is being tut-tutted as if my objections have no validity. That's where the GOP, especially the ones I call the Smart Set, have lost me. They are so friggin' condescending.

I am baffled as to why Cruz thought he could get away with this vote without some sort of frank explanation. His press release didn't cut it.

Posted by: Y-not at May 24, 2015 11:53 AM (RWGcK)

32 Yes, how could we possible object to a trade bill that has passed, that no one read, and isn't allowed to see the light of day?

Obmao care has worked so well.


What the fvck is in that bill they don't want us to see?

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 11:53 AM (86Sny)

33 Do you think it will be when the base takes a walk?


I agree they are risking the base. But the fact is the GOP, as a party, is in a much better position than the dems. Like all of us here I wish that transferred into conservative results.

Posted by: SH at May 24, 2015 11:53 AM (UQU3u)

34 28 I'm not sure the Rs even qualify as the lesser of two evils at this point. At least when you vote D you know you're getting a lying crapweasel. With the Rs, they pretend they're different. Turns out, though, they're just as crap-weasely was the Ds.

In other words, the GOPe and the Dems are all progressives, through and through. Advancing the progressive agenda is more important to them than stated principles, promises, or their constituents' desires.

Posted by: elaine at May 24, 2015 11:55 AM (Y0Piu)

35 Voters will either acquiesce or take to the streets.
I've always said that most people don't understand that this nation can dissolve just like the Soviet Union. But once they think about it, they realize its true.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 24, 2015 11:56 AM (R7HUj)

36 RE the secrecy:

What's to prevent Rand Paul from reading the contents of the bill into the Senate record or just leaking it?

Posted by: Y-not at May 24, 2015 11:57 AM (RWGcK)

37 I am baffled as to why Cruz thought he could get away with this vote
without some sort of frank explanation. His press release didn't cut it.


Yeah, my guy left me. Dis. App. Ointed.
Running out of people to support. At least Hillarlarly tells me she's gonna screw me as her lies are so transparent.

Let's see what Perry does.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at May 24, 2015 11:57 AM (sH832)

38 As a pragmatist and a realist, I can accept bad votes.

Posted by: Y-not at May 24, 2015 11:53 AM (RWGcK)

I can no longer accept bad votes. The Republican party has been kicking the proverbial can down the road for too long. I want the charade to end.

Either admit that the party is the party of Big Government version 2.0, or vote against all expansion of federal power and actively work to decrease the size of the federal government.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 24, 2015 11:57 AM (Zu3d9)

39 The animating principle that drives the leadership of the two parties, and what unites them, is seeing to it that small-government movements do not arise and do not gain legitimacy, much less power.

Both are dedicated to pork and profiteering. The GOPe is conservative-- they're the conservative wing of the DNC.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 24, 2015 11:59 AM (oVJmc)

40

So what's happening now that McConnell is in charge establishment hacks? It sure as hell looks like the bills Obama wants are what is coming up for vote and its the "good bills" that Boehner was passing that have disappeared.


I had hoped it was Harry Reid's fault. The GOPe is just as bad as any dim. I may vote third party across the board in '16.

Posted by: Hadoop at May 24, 2015 12:00 PM (2X7pN)

41 What the GOPe can't or won't understand is you can't out commie the commies. Commie light will will lose the FSA to the real commies.

Turtle Boy and all the others are going to lose their chairmanships and bigger offices.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 24, 2015 12:00 PM (TV9BR)

42

When Matt Drudge goes off like Mark Levin (and justly so) you know things are completely fucked.

As I am now convinced more than ever, the GOP is not "the stupid party." They are the collaborationist party. Everything they have done since 2010 and perhaps many years before and certainly ever since shows that they are part and parcel of the leftist/progressive anti-American agenda.

Death to the GOP.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 24, 2015 12:01 PM (St6BJ)

43 I wonder why Drudge has stayed independent this whole time.
He must have had some major offers.

Or I wonder why he hasn't expanded into anything else?

That's the norm in the media biz, if you develop a hot property you try to expand it.

But Drudge has basically stayed Drudge this whole time. Kinda fascinating.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at May 24, 2015 12:01 PM (ZPrif)

44 I can no longer accept bad votes. The Republican party has been kicking the proverbial can down the road for too long. I want the charade to end.
--

Well, in terms of this particular thing, I cannot untangle the reality of the measure.

If Harry Reid opposes it, could it be good?

But if Obama wants it, can it possibly be good?

Reading that HuffPo piece made me wonder if this is all another type of weird theater. It certainly seems as if there's a good chance the House won't pass it or that Obama might not even sign it b/c of the slavery measure.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING!

Obama objects to the version the Senate passed b/c of the human trafficking/slavery measure, b/c it would screw up the TPP deal by prohibiting Malaysia from being involved. And yet the GOP is not able to make hay out of that? They should be running around pointing out Obama's support for the War On (Asia) Women, but silence.


So Cruz has handled this badly, particularly from his own political perspective, but I honestly cannot say if this was a bad vote.

Posted by: Y-not at May 24, 2015 12:02 PM (RWGcK)

45 Who wants to be a Senator in a Federal Government that can fit inside a small office building?

These guys in power think we are a bunch of silly punks.

Gangsters park wherever they want.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 12:02 PM (MQEz6)

46 43 But Drudge has basically stayed Drudge this whole time. Kinda fascinating.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at May 24, 2015 12:01 PM (ZPrif)

And he's been incredibly successful. Much like Rush. And it's a lesson to any candidate who seeks office. Be true to your principles, espouse them articulately, loudly and unwaveringly and see how far you go.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 24, 2015 12:03 PM (St6BJ)

47 44 So Cruz has handled this badly, particularly from his own political perspective, but I honestly cannot say if this was a bad vote.
Posted by: Y-not at May 24, 2015 12:02 PM (RWGcK)


What did Ted Cruz have to lose politically by opposing this sham sellout?

Hell, I would think it would have solidified his support and attracted more.

What the hell is he thinking?! I am a fan but this and the Lynch fuck-up on his part are just beyond belief, or excuse.

He is treading on very thin ice with me.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 24, 2015 12:04 PM (St6BJ)

48 When Matt Drudge goes off like Mark Levin (and justly so) you know things are completely fucked.
--

I don't know. Drudge is pretty knee-jerk Libertarian on a lot of issues. This reaction seems very predictable to me.

I wouldn't use his reaction to gauge much of anything.


Again, I am undecided about this particular thing. But I am disappointed by how badly Cruz handled it.

That said, Rand is DQ'd for me on other issues, as is Rubio, so Cruz is still probably my favorite of the Senators running, even with this fumble.

Posted by: Y-not at May 24, 2015 12:05 PM (RWGcK)

49 Seriously, how fucking stupid do you have to be that you aren't screaming that Obama opposes what the Senate passed because it has and ANTI-SLAVERY measure in it?

Posted by: buzzion at May 24, 2015 12:05 PM (zt+N6)

50 Posted by: Y-not at May 24, 2015 12:02 PM (RWGcK)

As you ponder the true nature of the stuff sticking to the bottom of your shoe, the Combine grinds on.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 12:06 PM (MQEz6)

51 Well, Rush tried to expand. He had a TV show for a bit. He tried to get into the NFL - both as an analyst and as an owner. The Left went full nazi and forced the NFL to blackball him.

It is interesting how I never see Rush on FoxNews even though most of the other big talk radio guys make appearances.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at May 24, 2015 12:06 PM (ZPrif)

52
49 Seriously, how fucking stupid do you have to be that you aren't screaming that Obama opposes what the Senate passed because it has and ANTI-SLAVERY measure in it?
Posted by: buzzion at May 24, 2015 12:05 PM (zt+N6)

Not stupid.

The GOP is not what it says it is.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 12:07 PM (MQEz6)

53 What did Ted Cruz have to lose politically by opposing this sham sellout?

Hell, I would think it would have solidified his support and attracted more.

What the hell is he thinking?! I am a fan but this and the Lynch fuck-up on his part are just beyond belief, or excuse.
--

I agree.

I can't understand it.

Hell, I would have gone out to his supporters and said, "Look, my Senate leadership wants me to vote for this and many conservatives agree with the measure. So for my political survival, I need to sign onto it."

Give me something I can use, ffs.


But I still must ask, if the secrecy is the big issue, why doesn't Rand or one of the Democrats leak it?

Posted by: Y-not at May 24, 2015 12:07 PM (RWGcK)

54 Malaysia might be upset by an anti-slavery measure? Is this from Zoolander?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 24, 2015 12:07 PM (oVJmc)

55 51 It is interesting how I never see Rush on FoxNews even though most of the other big talk radio guys make appearances.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at May 24, 2015 12:06 PM (ZPrif)


Greta Van Susteren interviews him from time to time.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 24, 2015 12:07 PM (St6BJ)

56 Greta Van Susteren interviews him from time to time.

--
Ah, I never watch Greta.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at May 24, 2015 12:09 PM (ZPrif)

57 My only surprise is on how many people still hold R voter cards. That includes myself but I will only be using it for personal nefarious purposes from now on.

Posted by: Drider at May 24, 2015 12:10 PM (6Xbsz)

58 It's my understanding that presidents have had fast track trade authority since the days of FDR.
Congress can still vote up or down on any trade agreements made by the President.
I'm holding back on any further GOPe H8 until they disappoint me on any trade vote.

Posted by: Hank at May 24, 2015 12:10 PM (mb+j8)

59 Posted by: Y-not at May 24, 2015 12:07 PM (RWGcK)

What could explain everything you have seen?

Try this: none of them are worth a damn.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 12:10 PM (MQEz6)

60 I've always had the impression that Fox News hates Rush.


Side point, but I have really grown to dislike Britt Hume. I used to love him. He was my main reason for watching Fox News back in the day. He's gone full on Establotard.

Posted by: Y-not at May 24, 2015 12:10 PM (RWGcK)

61 Ah, yes, Greta Van Susteren, the Clinton donor.

Seems all the cards are stacked against us. That freedom thing was a nice experiment. Glad I got to experience a bit of it before I die.

This is all just kabuki theater and the joke is on us stupid working schlubs that want to keep some of our money and just be left alone.

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 12:11 PM (86Sny)

62 The Republican support of the trade bill sucks, but the real damage will be done when they conspire to legalize millions of illegal aliens. That will be the end of the Republic.

Posted by: nraendowment at May 24, 2015 12:13 PM (Msv+6)

63 Tar. Feathers and Rail.

We've become too complacent.

Posted by: Garrett at May 24, 2015 12:14 PM (6qXZG)

64 Side point, but I have really grown to dislike Britt Hume. I used to love him. He was my main reason for watching Fox News back in the day. He's gone full on Establotard.
Posted by: Y-not at May 24, 2015 12:10 PM (RWGcK)


Yep. Remember his little bitch fit when Cantor lost the primary.

Posted by: buzzion at May 24, 2015 12:15 PM (zt+N6)

65
64 Side point, but I have really grown to dislike Britt Hume. I used to love him. He was my main reason for watching Fox News back in the day. He's gone full on Establotard.
Posted by: Y-not at May 24, 2015 12:10 PM (RWGcK)

Yep. Remember his little bitch fit when Cantor lost the primary.
Posted by: buzzion at May 24, 2015 12:15 PM (zt+N6)

Brit is an Amnesty shill.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 12:16 PM (MQEz6)

66 I don't know if this was a bad vote or not. Does anyone know what's in it? Of course not. It's secret.

And THAT is what pisses me off..

Posted by: Soona at May 24, 2015 12:17 PM (KA+OE)

67 Britt has lost me. I see him on Kelly File occasionally. He says all the wrong things.

Posted by: Ronster at May 24, 2015 12:18 PM (xElWh)

68 Posted by: Soona at May 24, 2015 12:17 PM (KA+OE)

Exactly. I don't give a rat's ass what is in the bill.

But....How dare they keep it secret from the American people.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 24, 2015 12:18 PM (Zu3d9)

69 The secret bill section of the Constitution is right there, plain to see.

Look right after the recipe section.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 12:18 PM (MQEz6)

70 39 The animating principle that drives the leadership of the two parties, and what unites them, is seeing to it that small-government movements do not arise and do not gain legitimacy, much less power.

Both are dedicated to pork and profiteering. The GOPe is conservative-- they're the conservative wing of the DNC.


Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 24, 2015 11:59 AM (oVJmc)

Whut? Oh, noes.

Posted by: The Tea Party at May 24, 2015 12:19 PM (c+gwp)

71 Surprised? Nope. I agree with Brave Sir Roben in post #2 above.

Posted by: BamaBubba at May 24, 2015 12:19 PM (vKTRb)

72 Britt is great!

http://tinyurl.com/mvvqpv8 [NSFW]

Wait....wrong Britt?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 24, 2015 12:20 PM (Zu3d9)

73 We've secretly replaced the Fast Track Trade Bill with Genine Folger's Crystals.

Let's see if the electorate notices...

Posted by: Garrett at May 24, 2015 12:20 PM (6qXZG)

74 It says too much when the communist wing of the democrats are doing the right thing on this bill

Posted by: navypopojojo at May 24, 2015 12:20 PM (s8P1P)

75 How do we fight this when everyone is against us? The media, politicians, every government agency, from dog catcher up to potus?

They lie to us during elections and tell us what we want to hear and do the exact opposite in office. Then we are told to vote in new people, rinse repeat.

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 12:20 PM (86Sny)

76 58 I'm holding back on any further GOPe H8 until they disappoint me on any trade vote.
Posted by: Hank at May 24, 2015 12:10 PM (mb+j


It's 800 friggin' pages long and the public is not allowed to see it and even Congresscritters are not permitted to take notes when reading it under secure conditions.

This is not Constitutional republicanism. It is tyranny.

You may begin your H8 anytime, bud.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 24, 2015 12:21 PM (St6BJ)

77 Conservative pundits would be on TV screaming their outrage at the lack of hot water in the re-education fun camps and how they are really upset about it.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 12:22 PM (MQEz6)

78 Tax Strike.

Stop paying quarterly. Start listing 1769 Dependents.

Starve them.

That's our only weapon against the Leviathan.

Posted by: Garrett at May 24, 2015 12:23 PM (6qXZG)

79 78
That's our only weapon against the Leviathan.
Posted by: Garrett at May 24, 2015 12:23 PM (6qXZG)


"I have a gub."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 24, 2015 12:24 PM (St6BJ)

80 39 "The animating principle that drives the leadership of the two parties, and what unites them, is seeing to it that small-government movements do not arise and do not gain legitimacy, much less power."

Truer words were never spoken. That is the essence of the matter.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 24, 2015 12:24 PM (c41Rr)

81
78 Tax Strike.

Stop paying quarterly. Start listing 1769 Dependents.

Starve them.

That's our only weapon against the Leviathan.
Posted by: Garrett at May 24, 2015 12:23 PM (6qXZG)

Automatic withholding complicates things.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 12:25 PM (MQEz6)

82 78 And lose everything and go to jail? Who would ever know?

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 12:25 PM (86Sny)

83 The problem is many conservatives worship at the altar of free trade.

Our nation is more than just a "trading zone" and it's very easy to justify open borders for immigration once you've latched on to the idea that there should be no barriers to goods coming across our borders.

The Koch Bros have a lot to do with this, I had sounding like a Lefty, but many GOP'ers are trying to curry favor with their outfit so they go along with Amnesty and Free Trade.


Posted by: Kal at May 24, 2015 12:26 PM (13G+x)

84 I'm hoping the bill gives money to the Cubbies to go buy a real bullpen

Posted by: navypopojojo at May 24, 2015 12:26 PM (s8P1P)

85 The only effective tax strike is to quit working.

Collapse revenue intake, collapse the economy.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 12:26 PM (MQEz6)

86 >>I'm hoping the bill gives money to the Cubbies to go buy a real bullpen


I think it's cute that you Cubs fans think that money will solve your problems. Until you sacrifice a goat on the mound, before the first pitch, you guys are going nowhere.

Posted by: Garrett at May 24, 2015 12:28 PM (6qXZG)

87 Do you see now how they own us?

The more we work, the more we add to our chains.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 12:28 PM (MQEz6)

88 83 Posted by: Kal at May 24, 2015 12:26 PM (13G+x)

While the Koch Bros. are the Emanuel Goldstein of the left, in reality, yes they are full fledged members of the Gas Chamber of Krony Kommerz. While I can understand WHY they do things from an economic and political perspective, there are still such things as morals and principles. When you lose those, like 99.99% of DC, then the republic is lost.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 24, 2015 12:28 PM (St6BJ)

89 Also remember we live in a 'consumer based' economy. What do we actually produce? Not much manufacturing, CA is killing farming, what cannot go on will not go on.

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 12:29 PM (86Sny)

90 78
Tax Strike.


What's funny is you'll hear all sorts of ideas about secession or an armed rebellion.

The reality is if a small percentage just simply topped paying their taxes, this country would collapse almost overn night. And if enough people participated, the IRS would be easily overwhelmed.

Posted by: Kal at May 24, 2015 12:29 PM (13G+x)

91 Jeff Sessions has been screaming about what is in this bill and 2 minutes at the Obamatrade.com website will tell what is already known about it.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 24, 2015 12:29 PM (sSUeO)

92
89 Also remember we live in a 'consumer based' economy. What do we actually produce? Not much manufacturing, CA is killing farming, what cannot go on will not go on.

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 12:29 PM (86Sny)

We will all sell insurance to each other.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 12:30 PM (MQEz6)

93 85 The only effective tax strike is to quit working.

Collapse revenue intake, collapse the economy.
Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 12:26 PM (MQEz6)


What you will collapse in that case is the society. And with $215 trillion in the hole, that's gonna happen a lot sooner than you think.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 24, 2015 12:30 PM (St6BJ)

94 I've been saying for a while that there is something about Cruz that I don't trust.

He has been saying all the right things that make conservatives swoon, but when the rubber meets the road, his votes and non-votes are problematic.

I can't get over the feeling that we're being played.

Posted by: rickl at May 24, 2015 12:30 PM (sdi6R)

95
93 85 The only effective tax strike is to quit working.

Collapse revenue intake, collapse the economy.
Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 12:26 PM (MQEz6)


What you will collapse in that case is the society. And with $215 trillion in the hole, that's gonna happen a lot sooner than you think.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 24, 2015 12:30 PM (St6BJ)

Yes. The whole thing will unravel.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 12:31 PM (MQEz6)

96
I didn't leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me.

Sounds pretty catchy, eh?

Posted by: Ed Anger at May 24, 2015 12:33 PM (RcpcZ)

97 The lesson the Republican establishment took from the 2014 primaries and elections was that they can get away with anything and dont need to fear conservatives.

Posted by: Harley Quinn at May 24, 2015 12:34 PM (o3o0H)

98 While the Koch Bros. are the Emanuel Goldstein of
the left, in reality, yes they are full fledged members of the Gas
Chamber of Krony Kommerz. While I can understand WHY they do things
from an economic and political perspective, there are still such things
as morals and principles. When you lose those, like 99.99% of DC, then
the republic is lost.





Posted by: J.J. Sefton

I've always considered myself more on the Libertarian wing of the conservatism, but open borders will be the end of our nation.

I would honestly prefer a GOP that embraced ObamaCare than one that will open our borders up.

Posted by: Kal at May 24, 2015 12:34 PM (13G+x)

99 From what I read that Jeff Sessions says, this give the potus and transnational entities the right to control our trade w/o congressional approval. Is that right?

Nudge to the new world order?

*tin foil hat off*

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 12:36 PM (86Sny)

100 98 I would honestly prefer a GOP that embraced ObamaCare than one that will open our borders up.

Posted by: Kal at May 24, 2015 12:34 PM (13G+x)


I'd prefer one that embraced neither, thank you. I want to dismantle as much of the New Deal, the Great Society and Hope and Change as possible.

Originalism or death. That is all.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 24, 2015 12:37 PM (St6BJ)

101 96

I didn't leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me.

Sounds pretty catchy, eh?


Posted by: Ed Anger

But to be intellectually honest, the GOP has been the Free Trade Party for at least 30 years, so a deal like this doesn't shock me. It's not a sudden betrayal.

I personally think the GOP could make a lot of hay being a more populist Party, think more along the lines of Ross Perot.

Posted by: Kal at May 24, 2015 12:38 PM (13G+x)

102 Open Borders have already destroyed our Nation.

We have numerous classes of citizenry that are no longer treated equally under the law.

Posted by: Garrett at May 24, 2015 12:38 PM (6qXZG)

103 99 From what I read that Jeff Sessions says, this give the potus and transnational entities the right to control our trade w/o congressional approval. Is that right?

Nudge to the new world order?

*tin foil hat off*
Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 12:36 PM (86Sny)



Now Jeff Sessions is a guy that would be great in the Oval Office. Give him the fucking pen and phone. And Warcock.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 24, 2015 12:38 PM (St6BJ)

104
94 I've been saying for a while that there is something about Cruz that I don't trust.

He has been saying all the right things that make conservatives swoon, but when the rubber meets the road, his votes and non-votes are problematic.

I can't get over the feeling that we're being played.
Posted by: rickl at May 24, 2015 12:30 PM (sdi6R)

-------------------------

Maybe that's why sitting senators rarely win presidential elections. There's too many ways that the "process" can work against them.




Posted by: Soona at May 24, 2015 12:39 PM (KA+OE)

105 There was a little jumping spider roaming around the wall, and after several tries, I finally managed to coax him onto a piece of cardboard, then chucked him out the window. He'll be happier out there.

Posted by: rickl at May 24, 2015 12:39 PM (sdi6R)

106 The IRS would do what they always do, find a few prominent cases, prosecute the hell out of those, publicize those cases, the rest of us fall in to line.

Posted by: Navybrat at May 24, 2015 12:40 PM (JgC5a)

107 Drudge headline today: McConnell Leaves Senate In Hot Mess.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 24, 2015 12:41 PM (LImiJ)

108 106
The IRS would do what they always do, find a few prominent cases,
prosecute the hell out of those, publicize those cases, the rest of us
fall in to line.

Posted by: Navybrat

If it's between that and an armed rebellion, which do you think has more risk?

Posted by: Kal at May 24, 2015 12:41 PM (13G+x)

109 Infidel- Yes that is correct Trade deals and disputes will be handled by an international tribunal(Don't ya love that word) and congress will have NO say. Please go to Obamatrade.com , where it is explained better than I can do.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 24, 2015 12:41 PM (sSUeO)

110 But to be intellectually honest, the GOP has been the Free Trade Party for at least 30 years, so a deal like this doesn't shock me. It's not a sudden betrayal.I personally think the GOP could make a lot of hay being a more populist Party, think more along the lines of Ross Perot.
Posted by: Kal at May 24, 2015 12:38 PM (13G+x)


How do you know its reallya free trade deal? Its secret.

Posted by: buzzion at May 24, 2015 12:41 PM (zt+N6)

111 OT, this is ridiculous, the furnace just kicked on and it's set at 63.

I really want my global warming back!

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 12:42 PM (86Sny)

112 94 I've been saying for a while that there is something about Cruz that I don't trust.



He has been saying all the right things that make conservatives
swoon, but when the rubber meets the road, his votes and non-votes are
problematic.



I can't get over the feeling that we're being played.

Posted by: rickl

He's definitely playing us on illegal immigration, I don't think his views are any different than Jeb Bush.

Posted by: Kal at May 24, 2015 12:44 PM (13G+x)

113 Bastards

Posted by: Rex Mundi at May 24, 2015 12:45 PM (Nnt42)

114
Obamatrade :

Political strategist Dick Morris explains how the TransPacific Partnership, aka Obamatrade, will allow unrestricted immigration and handcuff Congress . . .


If you can't trust Dick Morris, who can you trust?

TrustUS, Justice Brothers, Attorneys

Posted by: Bonington, Griswald, and Stoneheart at May 24, 2015 12:46 PM (htSPV)

115
How do you know its reallya free trade deal? Its secret.



Posted by: buzzion

That's just it, the GOP loves "free trade" so much, it's willing to hand over our sovereignty to get it.

Sort of like how Democrat Presidents love gun control so much, they're always trying to get some UN Treaty to regulate our guns.

Posted by: Kal at May 24, 2015 12:46 PM (13G+x)

116 speaking as one of the public quite frankly i had no plabs on reading that anyway. In fact I haven't read any of the laws or trade agreements that have ever been passed or signed
And i don't think Drudge has either

Posted by: righter at May 24, 2015 12:47 PM (r6HrP)

117 We all have to look at the quagmire and pick a true , conservative from the political muck...
That said, why we have not had a Junta in this country beats me...
Hitting a hole in 1 does not make a great golfer but,
As we used to say in the day, when you suck a C*%K , your a C*^%$#@)! for life..
That being when your in the great political sea of power and deception...
And remember Cruzies wife is with the US BANK AKA ,
Goldman Sucks....

Posted by: No Bob Here at May 24, 2015 12:48 PM (/WmRg)

118
I rarely listen to him anymore, but I did catch jock sniffer, free trade Limbaugh comment on the trade bill. He gave it qualified criticism.

All he could say is that since it was cooked up by Obama it's most likely bad.

Posted by: Ed Anger at May 24, 2015 12:48 PM (RcpcZ)

119 All he could say is that since it was cooked up by Obama it's most likely bad.
Posted by: Ed Anger at May 24, 2015 12:48 PM (RcpcZ)



Well, yeah.

Posted by: just saying at May 24, 2015 12:51 PM (wkuqO)

120 @114- No I don't trust Dick Morris bur I do trust Jeff Sessions and he is saying the same thing.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 24, 2015 12:51 PM (sSUeO)

121 So, black people going to Myrtle Beach on holidays to shoot each other is a thing now?

Posted by: Bruce But Not Jenner at May 24, 2015 12:51 PM (iQIUe)

122 Question: Who is most responsible for the decline of the republic?

An education system that has abandon education in favor of propaganda?

Journalists who abandon truth in favor of narrative?

Religion that substitutes new and improved values for eternal truths?

The collapse of the family?

A judiciary that has replaced protecting the people from the government with protecting government from the people?

Corrupt politicians who buy votes with public funds?

A narcissistic pop culture that emphasizes self esteem and hedonism?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 24, 2015 12:55 PM (LImiJ)

123 Mike Lee and Jeff Sessions both went to the super secret room and read what there was of the bill- Both voted against it.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 24, 2015 12:56 PM (sSUeO)

124 A: all of the above.

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 12:57 PM (86Sny)

125 I really want my global warming back!

-
Oh, I forgot phony ass science.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 24, 2015 12:58 PM (LImiJ)

126 Looking for live internet links to Indy 500 here in blacked out area.....anybody got any?

Posted by: Mr.Obvious at May 24, 2015 12:58 PM (NgpNJ)

127 Posted by: Mr.Obvious at May 24, 2015 12:58 PM (NgpNJ)



Why would it be blacked out? It's on ABC.

Posted by: HH at May 24, 2015 01:01 PM (Ce4DF)

128 122.

I would say "collapse of the family", much of that responsibility goes to the Great Society programs and just the overall slide of the nation into secularism.

Once having kids out of wedlock is no longer stigmatized but rewarded, everything goes to hell pretty quickly.


Posted by: Kal at May 24, 2015 01:03 PM (13G+x)

129 Central Indiana is blacked out for the event. Evidently they want more than 250,000 people at the track. ABC is showing alternate programming here.

Posted by: Mr.Obvious at May 24, 2015 01:03 PM (NgpNJ)

130 He's definitely playing us on illegal immigration, I don't think his views are any different than Jeb Bush.
Posted by: Kal at May 24, 2015 12:44 PM (13G+x)
--

You are so clearly on someone's payroll that it's laughable.

Posted by: Y-not at May 24, 2015 01:05 PM (RWGcK)

131 Article V.



What they wont relinquish, take from them.


I think you misspelled "2nd Amendment"

Posted by: Methos at May 24, 2015 01:06 PM (ZbV+0)

132 "ABC is showing alternate programming here."


Man that sucks.

Posted by: HH at May 24, 2015 01:06 PM (Ce4DF)

133 feels like the Russian and Soros piece-rate troll$ are back.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 24, 2015 01:06 PM (t//F+)

134 121
So, black people going to Myrtle Beach on holidays to shoot each other is a thing now?

Posted by: Bruce But Not Jenner at May 24, 2015 12:51 PM (iQIUe)


This is nothing new. They have essentially stolen Memorial Day which is the traditional start of the beach season.

A lot of the shops there don't even open during black biker week because they do not buy anything and they drive others away.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 24, 2015 01:06 PM (GpgJl)

135 Granted, gotta make a buck. I used to be a telemarketer after all.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 24, 2015 01:07 PM (t//F+)

136

The number of kick-backs, money making, and political treachery had to be off the charts.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 24, 2015 01:08 PM (zqrZE)

137
When people say the era of Reagan is dead they're correct, but few realize what that really means.

There are very few Reagan style idealists left in the GOP - most of them are into politics for venal things - like money, power, fame and perks. And they heap scorn on the few idealists left in their party.

It's sad, but it seems like the majority of true idealists left in congress are hard-core leftist nutjobs like Bernie Sanders.

Posted by: Ed Anger at May 24, 2015 01:08 PM (RcpcZ)

138 Our choices are usually a "late rebroadcast" or "listen to it on the radio".......or pay too much for a ticket and end up in a 4 hour traffic jam following a 3 hour race.

Posted by: Mr.Obvious at May 24, 2015 01:09 PM (NgpNJ)

139 Central Indiana is blacked out for the event. Evidently they want more than 250,000 people at the track

Doesn't matter how many people show up. It's always blacked out.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 24, 2015 01:10 PM (W5DcG)

140 "Bastards


Posted by: Rex Mundi"




Zackly.



Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 24, 2015 01:12 PM (Dytos)

141 But to be intellectually honest, the GOP has been the Free Trade Party

How can you have 'free trade' with countries that merrily employ slave labor?

Posted by: Methos at May 24, 2015 01:14 PM (ZbV+0)

142 Since no one has or can report what is in the treaty can we guess it includes more greenhouse cut backs for USA? This is Obama's war on America.

I would be very surprised if it didn't include enough to handicap us over any other country. We know China and India are not going along with this stupid idea.

Posted by: just saying at May 24, 2015 01:16 PM (wkuqO)

143 "That said, Rand is DQ'd for me on other issues, as is Rubio, so Cruz is still probably my favorite of the Senators running, even with this fumble."

Cruz: massive expansion of H-1B visas. And now this fiasco.

Really starting to feel as though I don't have a dog in the fight. No plausible representation among Republicans. Already stocking up to stay home and drink heavily on Election Day 2016.

And let's imagine hypothetically that:

(a) The GOP manage to hold the Senate in 2016. *

(b) A conservative-ish GOP presidential aspirant actually gets elected in 2016.

So in light of (a), given what we have seen from (a) so far, what major difference will (b) make? Same shit, different day.

[* Something that's looking increasingly unlikely as Mitch the Shy Turtle's chortling corruption and cooperative attitude towards Obama alienates more and more of the Republican base -- 24% approval rating by GOP voters of the GOP Congress, last I looked.]

Posted by: torquewrench at May 24, 2015 01:17 PM (noWW6)

144 Indy 500? No thanks. 500 miles of left hand turns doesn't interest me.

Posted by: Hank at May 24, 2015 01:19 PM (mb+j8)

145 As we get closer to the next presidential election, we polarize. Both sides become more about how horrible the other party's nominee is, and vote to prevent the boogeyman from coming.

As we become frothing at Hillary, we forget that we're not really voting against her. We're voting FOR the GOP to have more power. And a GOP with power is a direct obstacle to a conservative political party, real reform to the scope of government, and a government that serves our people openly (as this post demonstrates is not the GOP's way at all).

In fact, the GOP is more an obstacle to conservatives than democrats are. The left having representation just means the left has representation. The right being represented by the left too is the real problem.

It is a shame that many conservatives, myself included, supported Romney in 2012 or Mccain in 2008. Bringing the GOP to an end sooner would not have changed anything for policy. The left got its way on everything. Think about it.

Posted by: Dustin at May 24, 2015 01:19 PM (a7sQX)

146 Screw the GOP - I'm going fishing.

Posted by: Ed Anger at May 24, 2015 01:23 PM (RcpcZ)

147 just saying- This deal not so much, but as soon as this is out of the way the EPA is planning on unleashing hell on the few remaining coal plants and other energy sectors. Texas energy commission guy said that electric prices will rise 50% by 2020. Congress is trying to pass some "show your homework" bills and the EPA has said FY-no more questions.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 24, 2015 01:23 PM (sSUeO)

148 Iran nuking DC is looking better every day

Posted by: random lurker at May 24, 2015 01:24 PM (WF5ei)

149 I blame the people, you and me, we've allowed it all. The 'Phants and Donks' laugh as we snark, rant, and read blogs. But hey, we're doing something about it right?

Carry on.

Posted by: Dean the talking Tabby at May 24, 2015 01:26 PM (M0YXY)

150 Seriously, this might be GOPe's finest work.

Take a bow McConnel and Boehner you traitorous cunts.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 24, 2015 01:27 PM (EWctj)

151 "Iran nuking DC is looking better every day"

ISIS nuking Tehran is looking pretty cool too.

Posted by: Alex Lensman at May 24, 2015 01:27 PM (54Y2g)

152 Can someone tell me, to get an HB-1 visa, doesn't it come with a job attached?

Posted by: Ben Had at May 24, 2015 01:29 PM (sSUeO)

153

Father's Day/Memorial Day gift to Veteran Dad.

I "donated" a brick on the Wall of Honor for my Dad's service.

Most states have this. And, they do not (as far as I know for most) need to be deceased to brick them in memory.

My dad knew, because I wanted him to decide how to word the "brick." He was at a loss for words.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 24, 2015 01:29 PM (zqrZE)

154 Because of free trade I have been free to travel the world.

Posted by: Manufacturing Jobs at May 24, 2015 01:29 PM (xL+qz)

155 What's the difference between jam and jelly? I can't jelly my cock up your ass.

Posted by: John Boner at May 24, 2015 01:34 PM (nCKKS)

156 I've said it before (many times), but I literally cannot believe what I am seeing. And here we're plowing new rich soil of WTF?

"Secret" legislation? WTF? No such thing exists, obviously. Sure, there are many times when members of Congress go to the secure rooms on either side (or the respective intel committee offices) to review material or get briefings. But that's intel info, or supportive material, or briefings involving classified info.

Secret legislation? Concept itself is nonsensical. Legislation in the end must be published. International executive agreements might have secret sections - not even sure about that - but legislation?

Posted by: rhomboid at May 24, 2015 01:35 PM (QDnY+)

157 Remember when the GOP was all up in arms about the secrecy surrounding the crafting of Obamacare and how they were locked out of the process?



Good times, good times.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 24, 2015 01:36 PM (xSCb6)

158 Treason? actually, if the Treaty is as we hear... yes...

One of the provision of said treaty is that it can be modified, by a majority of those signatories who wish to modify the treaty.

Treaties have the force of US Law.

Thus, we could have foreign countries, dictating what is effectively, US Law....

This is the exact OPPOSITE of what the Constitution puts in place...

ergo, they are destroying the Constitutions separation of powers... and our status as a sovereign nation....

So... yes... TREASON.

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 24, 2015 01:40 PM (qh617)

159 "Can someone tell me, to get an HB-1 visa, doesn't it come with a job attached?"

In theory.

In practice, the system is completely corrupted and cynically gamed.

There was a case here in the SF Bay Area of an immigrant slumlord using H-1B visas to import underage girls from back home, claiming that they would be working as software engineers, and then forcing them into prostitution once in the States. So there were "jobs attached", all right. Just not the ostensible jobs.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 24, 2015 01:40 PM (noWW6)

160 When the problem is of a religious nature, and you try to solve it by political means you're not going to be very successful.

Posted by: bergerbilder at May 24, 2015 01:41 PM (+jijM)

161 ***"Yeah, "But the democrats are worse!" my left nut.


Posted by: buzzion at May 24, 2015 11:34 AM (zt+N6)"***


I'm so sick of that shit from the usual apologists. If you continue to support a political party that still presents you leftist results, you're a fucking Leftist.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 24, 2015 01:41 PM (xSCb6)

162 Posted by: rhomboid at May 24, 2015 01:35 PM (QDnY+)

Parts of Obamacare put in place the ability to rewrite the regulation of the Healthcare industry.

These regulations were NOT written prior to the passage of Obamacare...

Effectively... yes... Secret Legislation....

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 24, 2015 01:42 PM (qh617)

163 "Secret legislation? Concept itself is nonsensical. Legislation in the end must be published. International executive agreements might have secret sections - not even sure about that - but legislation?"

But, what happens when the published legislation says, in effect,

"This bill (to become law) creates by treaty a trade body with extensive unreviewable powers, staffed by executive appointees, whose deliberations are secret and whose decisions are final."

Rather as has already happened with the alphabet-soup administrative agencies. We members of the serf class aren't made privy to the closed-door deliberations at EPA and their ilk. Legislators created these agencies and handed them huge power and then stepped away from the operations of said agencies.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 24, 2015 01:45 PM (noWW6)

164 Secret legislation? Concept itself is nonsensical. Legislation in the end must be published.

Word.

Posted by: Hammurabi, aghast at the backwards governance of Washington DC at May 24, 2015 01:45 PM (ZbV+0)

165 58 Hank has it right. If you let Congress write a trade bill in public, they'll stuff it with sweetheart deals and pieces of pork for every interest in their districts/states/campaign coffers. This is why Reagan, Dubya, Eisenhower, and pretty much every other president since FDR has done it this way--the president negotiates the provisions of the deal in secret, then the provisions get publicly revealed and Congress votes up or down on the whole thing.

That's the part where we need to make sure the whole thing is picked over with a fine-toothed comb for all the regulations and shenanigans. What's secret right now is just the preliminaries of the trade deal since it hasn't even been agreed on by the other countries yet.

Posted by: HFK at May 24, 2015 01:47 PM (UWJSv)

166 Secret legislation? Concept itself is nonsensical. Legislation in the end must be published.

Au contraire.

Posted by: Franz Kafka at May 24, 2015 01:47 PM (oVJmc)

167 You can say whatever Conservative thing you want, but it's your action of voting that counts.

This is now like those "Republicans" who for some strange reason routinely vote Donk. Or like people who self identify as "straight" but still find time to play around with members of the same gender. I don't give a damn about what you say; it's your actions that matter.

If you keep voting for people that are heading Left, guess what that makes you.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 24, 2015 01:47 PM (xSCb6)

168 Posted by: torquewrench at May 24, 2015 01:17 PM (noWW6)

History... from only a few years ago....

President GW Bush had Repub control of the House and Senate...

and created the largest increase in Government size and power ever, when he created the DHS... oh and started spying on all of us... and got us into 2 Wars with the wrong enemies... and put tons of Regulations on us... and did NOT secure the border, but pushed Amnesty....

And most of those in the Senate today, were in the Senate then....

soooo... why would next term be any different?

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 24, 2015 01:48 PM (qh617)

169 Can someone tell me, to get an HB-1 visa, doesn't it come with a job attached?
Posted by: Ben Had at May 24, 2015 01:29 PM (sSUeO)


Back when I was dealing with such matters an H1-B visa was for a business to import a non-agricultural worker to do a job that had been advertised and not filled by local workers (Citizens)
H-2B workers were Ag workers, people like pickers and harvesters and such for ag work that could not be easily filled by local workers.

Where the H2-B visas come under protections equal to the Migrant and Seasonal Protection Act (MSPA or "miss-pa") that sits with the Fair Labor Standards Act (Flissa), guaranteeing minimum pay above minimum wage, housing and right of free travel and the right to leave a job at will, the H2-B have fewer protections. I have heard some labor union activists refer to them and imported slavery, but they also thought min wage and Nike plants in Thailand to be a blot in the eye of Marx.

I understand that H1 and H2 visas are arranged for in foreign countries by recruiters who take a hefty fee and put up the cost of application and either contact or are contacted by companies that are looking for labor.
I would suppose a Silicon Valley company could just do a wink and a not at its foreign manufacturing plant to set up a company to do that and just grease the skids from both sides to bring foreign workers in.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 24, 2015 01:48 PM (t//F+)

170 Y-not and others, the response of most of the candidates to the stupid Iraq counter-factual question was already, really, the end of the road.

As far as the aspirants' revealing their quality and potential.

Yes of course their pathetic, cowardly, and most of all stupid responses reflects the same qualities in the public (incl. "conservatives") when it comes to Iraq, but it nicely reset (already limp) expectations.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 24, 2015 01:49 PM (QDnY+)

171 159 torquewrench yeah the other issue with HB-1s is that instead of bringing in workers for new jobs that companies claim they can't find qualified American workers to fill, employers often use HB-1s as a way to get rid of a high-salaried American worker and replace them with a lower-paid foreign worker for the same job (sometimes making the American worker train the replacement). In theory it would be great to bring in more doctors or engineers, but in reality many of these visas just go to the politically connected companies that want to get cheaper labor for IT and service industries.

Posted by: HFK at May 24, 2015 01:50 PM (UWJSv)

172 Brietbart had an interview with a few Senators that were/are against this bill. And what those opposed said, basically, is "why would we trust TFG on this? He's lied and usurped power over and over again, and now he wants us to hand him some more power on a silver platter."

This is so blindingly obvious that I can't even imagine how the rest of the cocksucking GOPes don't see it. Or don't want to see it.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 24, 2015 01:51 PM (bo7G7)

173 ***"Hammurabi, aghast at the backwards governance of Washington DC"***



A sock that really puts this whole shitshow into crystal clear, depressing perspective.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 24, 2015 01:52 PM (xSCb6)

174 torquewrench and Kindltot- Thank you for the information.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 24, 2015 01:54 PM (sSUeO)

175 "Back when I was dealing with such matters an H1-B visa was for a business to import a non-agricultural worker to do a job that had been advertised and not filled by local workers (Citizens)"

And of course the obvious dodge here is to simply advertise the work at a wage that no citizen with the appropriate qualifications could or would accept.

Hence you see ridiculous "job advertisements" which have been ginned up only to tick the boxes on the H-1B formalities.

I've seen, in Silicon Valley newspapers, ads which say things like:

"ENGINEER, ELECTRICAL. Ph.D and ten years relevant work experience required. $16/hr. No paid vacation."

Yeah, they'll be beating a path to the door of that HR department.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 24, 2015 01:55 PM (noWW6)

176 That's the part where we need to make sure the whole thing is picked over with a fine-toothed comb for all the regulations and shenanigans. What's secret right now is just the preliminaries of the trade deal since it hasn't even been agreed on by the other countries yet.
Posted by: HFK at May 24, 2015 01:47 PM (UWJSv)


We have this one covered. We need 66 votes in the senate to stop it. We can act like we don't like it but it still stays in force.

Posted by: Your Congress at May 24, 2015 01:56 PM (wkuqO)

177 #Unexpectedly!

F the GOPe...

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 24, 2015 01:57 PM (I8nxO)

178 Is legislation allowed to be secret?

Is there some legal standing where someone, anyone, could actually bring a lawsuit against secret legislation?

/crickets. sigh.

Posted by: shibumi who is awash in existential dread at May 24, 2015 01:59 PM (ve5uE)

179 ***"Y-not and others, the response of most of the candidates to the stupid
Iraq counter-factual question was already, really, the end of the road."***


And many on the Right have had equally disappointing reactions to those responses.


That stupid question itself should have been attacked instead of accepting its premise. It has shown just how many people, including the Right, have successfully accepted the Left's conditioning on Iraq.



Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 24, 2015 02:01 PM (xSCb6)

180 I've contacted Cruz's office and requested an explanation for his Yes vote. It's not the Bill itself but the secrecy surrounding it that I emphasized.

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 24, 2015 02:03 PM (8cSVB)

181 @Shibumi

It's not secret when it's brought on the floor of congress. How long the period is you have to READ it is going to be up to Congress, but everything passed, said, or rejected in Congress goes into the congressional record; they are allowed to have closed door sessions, but I think there have been maybe four in the entire history of the Republic.

That's one of many reasons why appropriations are vague. A lot of really, really obvious things are classified, so they have to be absurdly vague when appropriating money for things.

Posted by: Zack at May 24, 2015 02:03 PM (Qerbt)

182 Is there some legal standing where someone, anyone, could actually bring a lawsuit against secret legislation?


How much money do you have?

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 02:03 PM (86Sny)

183 Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 24, 2015 02:01 PM (xSCb6)

They are like mice.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 02:05 PM (MQEz6)

184 My hard fast rule would be If Barry wants it, it can't be good.

Posted by: skip at May 24, 2015 02:05 PM (gbkdW)

185 Ha. Who thinks this bill is going to be scutinized and debated before passage.

Dance, puppets!

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 02:07 PM (MQEz6)

186 Posted by: skip at May 24, 2015 02:05 PM (gbkdW)

Harry Reid and the Lefty Unions don't want it. It's a wash.

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 24, 2015 02:07 PM (8cSVB)

187 Burn, it's far beyond disappointing. It's why anyone in their right mind - and somewhat aware of the actual state of public understanding on such things - would be hesitant to go in harm's way any more. Any effort, accomplishment, or sacrifice will almost certainly be squandered. It's what unserious countries do.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 24, 2015 02:08 PM (QDnY+)

188 The script is written, the actors are rehearsing, the sudience is being warmed up.

"I rise in opposition.."

"I rise in favor.."

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 02:09 PM (MQEz6)

189 My hard fast rule would be If Barry wants it, it can't be good.
Posted by: skip
---------------------

A rule to live by.
A corollary, however trite, is that if he is speaking, he is lying. It may be by omission, it may be by conflation, or deflection, but every word is intentionally misleading.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 24, 2015 02:10 PM (F2IAQ)

190 "Is This The End of The Republican Party? When You've Lost Drudge..."


The GOP has been losing people for a very loonnnnggggg time. The public is just getting used to talking about it openly.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at May 24, 2015 02:11 PM (EvqmQ)

191 Well, Cruz has pissed me off two times in a row now. Not happy.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 24, 2015 02:11 PM (Dytos)

192 It would be nice if just one Senator would stand before the Senate and say, "This is bullshit and all you fuckers know it. Fuck you, I quit"

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 02:13 PM (MQEz6)

193 Free Trade is a lie. I still can't buy prescription glasses for practically nothing from the third world. The Walmart slave masters get their goods for nothing and jack them to whatever the market will bear and even more lately. We have to pay the special US rate for medicine while Canada and the rest of the world get the third world rate. We should follow Iceland's model and then ship all the bankers of Babylon to Gitmo.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 24, 2015 02:14 PM (GGY3t)

194 That is why we need a governor instead of a senator.

*choke*

Cause W Bush was great.

So, we are basically doomed?

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 02:14 PM (86Sny)

195 Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 24, 2015 02:11 PM (Dytos)

Join the club. I better get a reasonable explanation or I'm going to have to change my nic.

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 24, 2015 02:14 PM (8cSVB)

196 This week on pay per view:

It would be nice if just one Senator would stand before the Senate and say, "This is bullshit and all you fuckers know it. Fuck you, I quit"

I'd watch.

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 02:15 PM (86Sny)

197 These hacker groups should hack the DC EBT system.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 24, 2015 02:16 PM (GGY3t)

198 Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 02:14 PM (86Sny)

Bush is not anywhere as bad as the haters try to make him.

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 24, 2015 02:16 PM (8cSVB)

199 I think SMOD/Yellowstone will be leading in the polls pretty soon.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 02:18 PM (MQEz6)

200 These days I start with the assumption that if the Gope wants it, it must be wrong. That isn't going to be literally true all the time, but it's a useful starting point.

The question that becomes important coming out of it is: Who is supporting the Gope, and why? This may or may not have implications for the coming elections, but since I expect Jeb to win the nomination anyway, I'm not sure it matters.

The question specifically is though: Why is Cruz on board with this? His answer (if he gives one) will be telling.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 24, 2015 02:18 PM (Dj0WE)

201 I know, Bush wasn't as bad as FDR or some of the other progressives, but what we are doing isn't working and I don't know what will.


We shouldn't even be talking about a presidential election a year and a half before the fact.

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 02:18 PM (86Sny)

202 Posted by: Boss Moss at May 24, 2015 02:14 PM (GGY3t)

Heh. You really can get your prescription glasses at Walmart for practically nothing.

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 24, 2015 02:19 PM (8cSVB)

203 There are not enough people left to fix what needs to be fixed.

Upheaval is inevitable.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 02:22 PM (MQEz6)

204 My already-short-list for GOP contenders I'll consider supporting is in danger of not looking like a list, but one name.


And that one is shaky.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 24, 2015 02:22 PM (xSCb6)

205 201 I know, Bush wasn't as bad as FDR or some of the other progressives, but what we are doing isn't working and I don't know what will.


We shouldn't even be talking about a presidential election a year and a half before the fact.
Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 02:18 PM (86Sny)



Hence the non-existence of the opposition party.

Democrat = going over the cliff in Lamborghini at 200mph, with the cliff about a quarter mile away.

Republican = going over the cliff in a Model A, at about 35mph, with the cliff about a quarter mile away AND making money off it.

Same destination, different speed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 24, 2015 02:23 PM (St6BJ)

206 Why is the Congressional leadership so weak and unpopular? They elect them. Pick someone who isn't a weepy traitor.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 24, 2015 02:23 PM (GGY3t)

207 21 Somehow, I suspect the response will be more along the lines of mockery of the wingnuts.
Posted by: pep at May 24, 2015 11:46 AM (LAe3v)

It already is. Seen the picture of Orin Hatch post passage, sporting a possum eating shit grin?

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 24, 2015 02:24 PM (RUCKm)

208 O/T


Looks like ABC family has gone full on LBQTWTF agenda.


It's a shame the live-in FiL likes to watch TV or else that thing would remain in the off position. This recent re-exposure to TV has been as eye-opening as it is depressing.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 24, 2015 02:26 PM (xSCb6)

209 What sickness is he watching on abc?

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 02:28 PM (86Sny)

210 21 Somehow, I suspect the response will be more along the lines of mockery of the wingnuts.
Posted by: pep at May 24, 2015 11:46 AM (LAe3v)

It already is. Seen the picture of Orin Hatch post passage, sporting a possum eating shit grin?
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 24, 2015 02:24 PM (RUCKm)


What has been in evidence since at least post-2010 is the deliberate decision of the Gope to try to excise the so-called base from its base.


Whatever you want to call it: conservatives/tea party/smaller government types... they don't want anything to do with it. If you fall within those classifications, you are not welcome in the Gope. Period.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 24, 2015 02:29 PM (Dj0WE)

211
I've said it before and I'll say it again:

If Sarah Palin wants the job, she will be the Republican 2016 presidential nominee.

Posted by: mrp at May 24, 2015 02:30 PM (JBggj)

212 I had a festering hemorrhoid removed yesterday, the surgeon came over to me and said. 'Hey! there's some peculiar about this roid, it say GOP on it..."

Posted by: TVoC at May 24, 2015 02:30 PM (XzRw1)

213 BertTC- And the IRS had/has a big part of that.

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 02:31 PM (86Sny)

214 Today is Bob Dylan's birthday. Happy birthday, Bob!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLU4jlR18UQ

Posted by: rickl at May 24, 2015 02:32 PM (sdi6R)

215
211
I've said it before and I'll say it again:

If Sarah Palin wants the job, she will be the Republican 2016 presidential nominee.
Posted by: mrp at May 24, 2015 02:30 PM (JBggj)

Sadly, she would have no chance.

I think she has learned that it is way too late to fix anything and is hunkering down, protecting her kin, and waiting.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 02:33 PM (MQEz6)

216 "If you fall within those classifications, you are not welcome in the Gope. Period."


Fcuk 'em. They haven't gotten many of my votes lately so I'll just be sure to make that zero.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 24, 2015 02:33 PM (Dytos)

217 we need a CBD food thread.

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 02:33 PM (86Sny)

218 196
It would be nice if just one Senator would stand before the Senate and say, "This is bullshit and all you fuckers know it. Fuck you, I quit"

I'd watch.
Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 02:15 PM (86Sny)/i]


And he would instantly become the front-runner for President.

Posted by: rickl at May 24, 2015 02:34 PM (sdi6R)

Posted by: rickl at May 24, 2015 02:34 PM (sdi6R)

220 "and is hunkering down, protecting her kin, and waiting."


Alaska is a good place to do it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 24, 2015 02:35 PM (Dytos)

221
217 we need a CBD food thread.
Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 02:33 PM (86Sny)

Military food. From meat and beer to MREs.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 02:35 PM (MQEz6)

222 ***"What sickness is he watching on abc?"***


I've seen the promos for two shows. One is about some show that "dares to go there" or some shit and has something about some straight chick creating controversy by kissing some married lesbian. The other is about families where the father is going through gender mutilation and how they're dealing with it. The promos seem to focus on the teenage sons' (who seem to be little effeminate betas themselves) reactions in different families.


Thankfully he's not watching those things, but they're promoted as ABC "Family".

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 24, 2015 02:36 PM (xSCb6)

223 Secret legislation? Concept itself is nonsensical.
Legislation in the end must be published. International executive
agreements might have secret sections - not even sure about that - but
legislation?

Posted by: rhomboid at May 24, 2015 01:35 PM (QDnY+)


It makes it much easier to punish you for breaking the law if you step out of line, doesn't it?

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 24, 2015 02:36 PM (AC0lD)

224 221
Military food. From meat and beer to MREs.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 02:35 PM (MQEz6)



Didn't Russian soldiers have a method for distilling alcohol from antifreeze or something?

Posted by: rickl at May 24, 2015 02:36 PM (sdi6R)

225 BertTC- And the IRS had/has a big part of that.
Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 02:31 PM (86Sny)


Has anyone gone to jail, for being involved in the deliberate silencing of a huge portion of the electorate?


No?


I think we can deduce from that, the powers-that-be in Congress were not interested in finding fault there, and guess the reason why is that they were in on it.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 24, 2015 02:38 PM (Dj0WE)

226 Brietbart had an interview with a few Senators that were/are against this bill. And what those opposed said, basically, is "why would we trust TFG on this? He's lied and usurped power over and over again, and now he wants us to hand him some more power on a silver platter."

This is so blindingly obvious that I can't even imagine how the rest of the cocksucking GOPes don't see it. Or don't want to see it.


They see it.

They're in on it.

It has all the appearances of a cabal of our enemies. Those we send to stand in our place in DC and do the things that we'd do (like keeping our economy strong, our nation secure, upholding the principles and words of the constitution, and spending responsibly) aren't doing that because they prefer their power.

Even the ones who profess to do it, won't once they're safely in orifice (I'm looking at you, Dondi).

#WASTF and I don't know how to fix the problem. Voting certainly isn't fixing it. In fact, the more I vote for the people I hope will fix it, the more problems arise. I essentially have no representation in DC anymore. And ever since Cliton signed NAFTA and made Communist China our Most Favored Nation in trade, I've come to realize that my own government is actively working against my interests.

I don't know what to do.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 24, 2015 02:38 PM (0HooB)

227 Look, Bush said he didn't want us conservatives in his party. His buddy Rove came up with the "compassionate conservative" thing as a deliberate insult. *shrug* Matthew 10:14.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at May 24, 2015 02:39 PM (Q819Q)

228 Well, another long holiday weekend out here for the peasantry, and another treasonous sell out of their constituents by the elected members of the United States Senate; long holiday weekends have in fact become the unpleasant but all too familiar harbingers of some sort chicanery, fraud and treason on the part of Washington.

What does Mr. Boehner expect this President - the one who's diplomatic brilliance will give ISIS an impregnable stronghold in Iraq, the Iranians and Saudis the Bomb, and the Israelis the finger - will do with this "fast track trade authority?"

I will speak for myself, but many others must feel as I do that the time for this foolish, decadent gluttony on the part of Washington at the expense of American Citizens must now come to an end. We're not anti-government, but we are anti-treason, anti-fascist Americans who expect some standard of decency and respect for the so-called "will of the people" as expressed by election results.

The Republican Party is, as Drudge asserts, self destructing, and clearly - clearly - loathes the American Public more than it fears the continued destruction being wrought upon our culture, our lives, our country by the likes of Mr. Obama, Ms. Clinton, and the members of the Republican Party. Enough.

Posted by: Erik in Texas at May 24, 2015 02:39 PM (sbjbm)

229 Uh. ABCF is presently airing Casper and will be followed up with Dr. Seuss' Horton Hears a Who. That said, they haven't been "family" in a long time.

I watched Burlesque on that channel.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 24, 2015 02:39 PM (PMlgt)

230 Recipes for potato val-u-rite.

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 02:40 PM (86Sny)

231 Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 02:33 PM (86Sny)

4:00pm.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 24, 2015 02:41 PM (Zu3d9)

232 I'm also getting to watch commercials now. I love how Wal-Mart is caving to the wage raise activists. As if they're ever going to stop attacking.


It's like McDonalds trying to cater to nutrition activists who are NEVER going to set foot inside one of their stores.


The activists smell blood in the water now. It's about to get much worse.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 24, 2015 02:41 PM (xSCb6)

233 I think she has learned that it is way too late to fix anything and is hunkering down, protecting her kin, and waiting.
======

Too late to "fix anything"? Bullsh*t (typed respectfully). We are a better, greater country than that. There is a deep, yearning desire for leadership in this country felt by more people than you might believe. Palin is the most charismatic leader in America today, and the Left will never, ever, leave her or her family in peace.

So she may as well run and become president.

Posted by: mrp at May 24, 2015 02:42 PM (JBggj)

234 217 we need a CBD food thread.
Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 02:33 PM (86Sny)

It should be ice cream based. So the anti-Semite can honor the holiday.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 24, 2015 02:43 PM (RUCKm)

235 How's this for a slogan?
"When the text of the law is a secret, ignorance of the law is a complete and compelling excuse."
Surely a law that is not published is no law. Or is this one going to be published after it's passed? I really don't get exactly how the secrecy is supposed to work here.

Posted by: Dr Weevil at May 24, 2015 02:43 PM (FDg5d)

236 Military food. From meat and beer to MREs.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 02:35 PM (MQEz6)

I never served, so I have no experience with military food other than the kick-ass barbecues that the U.S.S. Kiska had on her flight deck while in port.
[An old friend was an officer on board]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 24, 2015 02:43 PM (Zu3d9)

237 You have to admire the Gope for brilliantly playing the 2014 election:

Hey, Tea Party, we're as mad as you about what they did to you in 2012. Elect us in '14, and we'll get to the bottom of it.

Boehner's crew must get some hardy laughs at that one, at what suckers people can be.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 24, 2015 02:44 PM (Dj0WE)

238 lol. Aye, Aye, Captain.

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 02:44 PM (86Sny)

239 Posted by: mrp at May 24, 2015 02:42 PM (JBggj)

Then you woke up.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 02:46 PM (MQEz6)

240 "I don't know what to do."



It's depressing, but, prepare for the collapse.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 24, 2015 02:46 PM (Dytos)

241 Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at May 24, 2015 02:43 PM (RUCKm)

Hah!

I will be discussing cheese.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 24, 2015 02:46 PM (Zu3d9)

242 So she may as well run and become president.
Posted by: mrp at May 24, 2015 02:42 PM (JBggj)


As a Republican??? Her chances of being nominated are... what's less than nothing?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 24, 2015 02:46 PM (Dj0WE)

243 "I essentially have no representation in DC anymore. And ever since Cliton signed NAFTA and made Communist China our Most Favored Nation in trade, I've come to realize that my own government is actively working against my interests."

Been saying for a while now that an economically populist GOP presidential candidate, someone who actively and aggressively critiqued the 1990s Clinton "free trade" crap and its consequences, could really get traction.

Especially with white working-class voters in the upper Midwest, who have been beat to shit by just those policies.

Note that Mitt Romney would be President today if he had been able to reliably pull that particular demographic. He couldn't. They hated him. They looked at Mitt and saw the guy that laid them off and sent their jobs out of the country: an Ivy League MBA globalist.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 24, 2015 02:49 PM (noWW6)

244 ***"We are a better, greater country than that. There is a deep, yearning
desire for leadership in this country felt by more people than you might
believe."***


People are looking for leadership from the State. They're *expecting* it.


And there's the problem.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 24, 2015 02:49 PM (xSCb6)

245 As a Republican??? Her chances of being nominated are... what's less than nothing?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 24, 2015 02:46 PM (Dj0WE)

=========
Her chances of being nominated are a helluva lot better at the moment than anyone else in the pack. And money will be no problem. No problem at all.

Posted by: mrp at May 24, 2015 02:50 PM (JBggj)

246 Palin made a speech in late 2011 or early 2012 that people cheered until she said something about controlling entitlements.

The cheering stopped and she paused and you could see her face as she began to see that this country is a heroin addict.

Soon after she announced she wasn't running.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 02:50 PM (MQEz6)

247 I'd like lists to start being kept.


Every politician who ever voted yes to a 'debt limit' increase or 'yes' to a budget that wasn't balanced.


The names of all of the companies and the people running those companies who benefit from each law that is passed through all of the crony capitalism.


The names of the richest people who are benefiting from the Fed printing Trillions of dollars.


All of the people in the media and academia who have actively been pushing hard left ideas, including everyone in the climate change arena.


It's the computer age. There's nothing wrong with gathering as much information as possible on our betters. And this should be done across all developed countries.


If the sh!t hits the fan, it would be nice to be able to tell the mobs to talk to those people.



Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 24, 2015 02:51 PM (AC0lD)

248 ***"Her chances of being nominated are a helluva lot better at the moment
than anyone else in the pack. And money will be no problem. No problem
at all."***



Do you have any sort of proof of these claims other than the intensity of your wishes?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 24, 2015 02:51 PM (xSCb6)

249 Palin is in Alaska constructing a Tantalus Field device.

Soon all the bad guys will be gone.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 02:53 PM (MQEz6)

250 Posted by: torquewrench at May 24, 2015 01:55 PM (noWW6

I probably fucked up some of Monsanto's plans by applying to jobs they didn't expect anyone to want before I secured my current round of TA funding.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at May 24, 2015 02:53 PM (s92xH)

251 249
Palin is in Alaska constructing a Tantalus Field device.



Soon all the bad guys will be gone.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 02:53 PM (MQEz6)


All the more reasons to be developing that list.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 24, 2015 02:54 PM (AC0lD)

252 Ryan is backing TPP so you know it is gonna be good.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 24, 2015 02:55 PM (NaeCR)

253 ***"If the sh!t hits the fan, it would be nice to be able to tell the mobs to talk to those people."***


Not to get all Amishdude here, but if you just tell them to target the Lawyers, that should take care of most of that list.


Sure, you might take a few good ones out, but eggs and omelettes ya know?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 24, 2015 02:55 PM (xSCb6)

254 Especially with white working-class voters in the upper Midwest, who have been beat to shit by just those policies.


Agreed. I refuse to believe that there wouldn't be a metric fuckton of support for a candidate who said he/she'd work to make sure we had the highest standard of living and real, live secure careers (not just jobs) for the future.

What really flabbergasts me (and I'm not easily flabbergasted) is that no candidate ever mentions that. The only one I've heard even utter the word, "Growth" is Cruz.

We had it at one time. We can have it again. This "global economy" bullshit is working against us, especially when the prevailing attitude is not other countries imitating our freedom and producing their own prosperity, but taking ours away.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 24, 2015 02:58 PM (0HooB)

255 I don't know if the mobs will care. They'll just head for the nearest place where somebody has more than they do. And then the next and so on.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 24, 2015 02:58 PM (Dytos)

256 The fun will start when Ebola orders the military to take a nap and let China take whatever it wants.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 02:58 PM (MQEz6)

257 We had it at one time. We can have it again. This "global economy" bullshit is working against us, especially when the prevailing attitude is not other countries imitating our freedom and producing their own prosperity, but taking ours away.

THIS x 1000

This global shit isn't working.

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 03:00 PM (86Sny)

258 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 24, 2015 02:58 PM (0HooB

The democrats have successfully harnessed lie of "high standard of living through government" though.

It makes the "I'll create an environment where you can find a career" argument a bit hard to sell compared to "Free shit."

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at May 24, 2015 03:00 PM (s92xH)

259 We have to pay the special US rate for medicine
while Canada and the rest of the world get the third world rate. We
should follow Iceland's model and then ship all the bankers of Babylon
to Gitmo.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 24, 2015 02:14 PM (GGY3t)


We have to pay the non-government subsidized, price-fixed goods.

Look if you want to bitch about costs and how much better Canada and Cuba are, well good for you.
There is information out there about the costs of developing and testing drugs. There is even information out there about how you are subsidizing other countries' drugs.
Just think, if you researched that you would know more than your congresscritter who is also howling about the "3rd world rates for medicines" so he can get you to vote for him.
As they told Nero, the choice is yours.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 24, 2015 03:01 PM (t//F+)

260 What would the stuff at Walmart cost if it was made here?

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 03:02 PM (MQEz6)

261 249 Palin is in Alaska constructing a Tantalus Field device.

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 02:53 PM (MQEz6)



Does she have a GoFundMe?

Posted by: rickl at May 24, 2015 03:03 PM (sdi6R)

262 ***"The democrats have successfully harnessed lie of "high standard of living through government" though."***



My standard of living increased when they paid for my baby and my abortions and my tuition and my food and my internet and my phone and my daycare so I could work from home making $4900 a month based mostly off of tax credits.

Posted by: Julia at May 24, 2015 03:05 PM (xSCb6)

263 Posted by: Kindltot at May 24, 2015 03:01 PM (t//F

Cost dumping to the US is a huge and real problem.

Europe uses us to pay for their defense and their medicine apparently.

I haven't figured out a way to fix it, but it'd be HUGE if we could.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at May 24, 2015 03:06 PM (s92xH)

264 "What would the stuff at Walmart cost if it was made here?"


It would be more. That $250 panel TV would be $350-400 if made in Milwaukee. I remember when Wal Mart was still about "Made in the USA" years ago.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 24, 2015 03:06 PM (Dytos)

265 Oops, forgot healthcare!

Posted by: Julia at May 24, 2015 03:06 PM (xSCb6)

266 What would the stuff at Walmart cost if it was made here?

Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 03:02 PM (MQEz6)

Ten to twenty percent less than imports if we wiped all federal taxes on the front end and put in the equivalent national sales tax... or another way, every import would cost 30% more with such a sales tax in lieu of all the embedded front end taxes (income, SS, medicare, corporate, excises, etc which only apply to domestic goods). Domestic goods would not change in price because the taxes would be applied at point of sale rather than wholesale.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 24, 2015 03:08 PM (NaeCR)

267 Do you have any sort of proof of these claims other than the intensity of your wishes?


Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 24, 2015 02:51 PM (xSCb6)

=========
The important thing is where the center-right and conservative factions of the Republican Party are today and the direction in which they are moving. By primary season, there will be little tolerance for anyone currently serving in the House or Senate. That means Cruz, too. People know where Palin stands on the issues. And most importantly, they know she's hard-nosed fighter for conservative principles. She's even better at the game now than when she delivered that speech of a lifetime at the RNC 2008 national convention.

Posted by: mrp at May 24, 2015 03:08 PM (JBggj)

268
It has been my intent all along to grant Congress the "space to destroy" the old fashioned concepts of patriotism, honesty, religion, and forthrightness in government.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at May 24, 2015 03:10 PM (P330y)

269 What would the stuff at Walmart cost if it was made here?
Posted by: eman at May 24, 2015 03:02 PM (MQEz6)



The Chinese are on a tear to find more resources, but they don't want to spend money - they are sort of the Mercantilist mindset and always have been. So, they want Bauxite from Africa, and Oil from the Middle-East, and other resources for their own industries, so they trade cheap crap their industries churn out.
The African countries want money, but will accept arms, but they also will trade US Aid voucher that the Chinese get at a discount and redeem with our state department. The Arabs don't want cheap Chinese crap they want US and Japanese goods, so they balk at doing business with the Chinese.

My suspicion is that this seccret deal is a start of some triangular trade where the Chinese get the oil and resources, the producer country gets to act as a middle-man to resell cheap Chinese crap to the US and they get money from the US. OR US goods, which makes the congressional districts happy maybe.

Of course at some point the Chinese get to set the Huan as the oil currency and we don't get cheap Chinese crap anymore, and the Chinese up their game they can turn out decent stuff too.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 24, 2015 03:13 PM (t//F+)

270 268 Reap what you sow.

Some of our souls will fare much better than you.

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 03:14 PM (86Sny)

271 And I am pissed about a number of things and am speaking rashly at times.

Apologies, am going to go mow dad's lawn and burn off frustration.

I will, of course, attempt to keep my fingers out of the mower-deck.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 24, 2015 03:16 PM (t//F+)

272 Just a wry and honest article for people who have put their kids through the public school system:

"School's out forever." from the WSJ

Parents are supposed to suffer from profound melancholy once the children have grown up and moved away. Not Joe Queenan who's overjoyed that he never, ever has to think about school and it's inevitable hassles and disappointments:

http://tinyurl.com/jwdb3fh

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 24, 2015 03:20 PM (1sJza)

273 What would the stuff at Walmart cost if it was made here?

However much it was, if you had a decent job, you could afford it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 24, 2015 03:21 PM (0HooB)

274 if you had a decent job


Key phrase.

Posted by: Infidel at May 24, 2015 03:23 PM (86Sny)

275 Key phrase.

Definitely.

Why each and every political animal isn't behind this concept 1000% is a constant source of amazement to me.

OK, I'ma watch the races. Y'all have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?

Prayers for the fallen and their families.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 24, 2015 03:30 PM (0HooB)

276 Nobody knows what's in it but everybody hates it.

There's nothing worse than uncertainty.

Posted by: Muckraker at May 24, 2015 03:39 PM (1Y+hH)

277 Nobody knows what's in it but everybody hates it.



There's nothing worse than uncertainty.





Posted by: Muckraker at May 24, 2015 03:39 PM (1Y+hH)

One thing you can count on, it's us peasants that will be screwed, the rest is just details!

Posted by: Hrothgar at May 24, 2015 03:46 PM (ftVQq)

278 If the sh!t hits the fan, it would be nice to be able to tell the mobs to talk to those people.





Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 24, 2015 02:51 PM (AC0lD)


www.discoverthenetworks.org

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 24, 2015 03:50 PM (pjnob)

279 Over at HOTGAS, there is a discussion of the fact that the DIABLO leadership is calling on members of the Liberty Caucus to work for the trade surrender. And they are doing it, in the main. In re: Cruz and his vote; I have been an early contributor, and for the last couple of days the Cruz campaign has been playing phone tag with me. I suspect that it is because they want me to work for them. I have run a presidential campaign in my county. When we do get together, they had better have an explanation that is more than rectal insufflation of smoke, or the contributions stop and his/her day is going to get interesting.

Something that I posted at HOTGAS today that is on point here too. Please bear with the quotation:

"There are no alternatives, at least none that can come about by
electoral politics. We cannot vote our way out of this mess because
there is no one to vote FOR, nor any national political organization
that opposes the destruction of the Constitution and the subjugation of
America. The leadership of both parties have set this situation up.
They are responsible for whatever happens to this country.

IF there are real elections in 2016, which is more and more
in doubt; we cannot defeat the Democrats because the Republicans will
work to protect them. BUT we can defeat the Republicans and place them
in the same trash heap as the Whigs. Then we can concentrate on the
Democrats without being stabbed in the back by the Republicans.

IF there are not real elections in 2016, then we can treat the
Republicans the same as we treat the Democrats in that case, because
they have chosen their side.

A Democrat election victory is not to be feared any longer, because
we now have absolute proof that if the Republicans win they will enact
and defend whatever the Democrats want. Defeating Republicans means
that at least we can destroy one wing of the enemies of the
Constitution."

Posted by: Subotai Bahadur at May 24, 2015 03:52 PM (OzTc1)

280 Oops.

https://tinyurl.com/kwfvgq2

Posted by: rickl at May 24, 2015 04:06 PM (sdi6R)

281 "They looked at Mitt and saw the guy that laid them off and sent their jobs out of the country: an Ivy League MBA globalist"

That's sure as hell what I saw.

Held my nose & voted for him anyway.

My mistake, sorry, won't let that happen again
Third party in 2016. I'm willing to cut a lot of slack on other issues as long as Liberty and the Constitution get more than lip service.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 24, 2015 04:49 PM (Z8DIA)

282 Drudge is an idiot. Breitbart was clearly the brains of the operation.

Details of trade deals STILL BEING NEGOTIATED are and always have been secret. They are revealed only when the deal is finalized and signed, then everyone has a chance to judge them.

This is of course different from "fast track authority," which only means "NO TINKERING," because if each parliament of the 12 nations could offer amendments, there could obviously be no deals at all. This is the way we've done it for decades, for Presidents of both parties.

It is usually the far left and union and environmental thugs who protest free trade. Conservatives used to be smarter.

Don't be an idiot.

Posted by: Adjoran at May 24, 2015 04:56 PM (QIQ6j)

283 www.discoverthenetworks.org


Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 24, 2015 03:50 PM (pjnob)


You rule. Thanks.
It's good to see you around. I thought of you after the Alberta election.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 24, 2015 05:30 PM (AC0lD)

284 "This is of course different from "fast track authority," which only means "NO TINKERING," because if each parliament of the 12 nations could offer amendments, there could obviously be no deals at all. This is the way we've done it for decades, for Presidents of both parties. "

Hooey. If it's always been done what did they just vote on to change?

Maybe you heard of the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderburg Group. They are international organizations that lobby for more open trade between nations. Because get this very clear: If the parliaments of the G8 repudiate a trade deal, they not only kill the deal, they dispose of the government who proposed it. It can replace the whole Administration. The United States, having an executive outside the legislature, is the sole exception. Having parliaments offer objections is the norm. It's why they had to back into the EU over a 60 year period.

In the hierarchy of values I put not buying a pig in a poke ahead of "free trade". I agree with Jesse Jackson that we do not have free trade, we have managed trade. Fast-track was just to steamroller this preconceived trade deal. If it didn't stink, the details would be unveiled to create political momentum for the deal. Like we did for NAFTA. The fact that all the players are skipping that vital juice is a key sign this deal stinks to high heaven.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at May 24, 2015 05:52 PM (8rRE+)

285 "This is of course different from "fast track authority," which only means "NO TINKERING," because if each parliament of the 12 nations could offer amendments, there could obviously be no deals at all. This is the way we've done it for decades, for Presidents of both parties. "

Hooey. If it's always been done what did they just vote on to change?

Maybe you heard of the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderburg Group. They are international organizations that lobby for more open trade between nations. Because get this very clear: If the parliaments of the G8 repudiate a trade deal, they not only kill the deal, they dispose of the government who proposed it. It can replace the whole Administration. The United States, having an executive outside the legislature, is the sole exception. Having parliaments offer objections is the norm. It's why they had to back into the EU over a 60 year period.

In the hierarchy of values I put not buying a pig in a poke ahead of "free trade". I agree with Jesse Jackson that we do not have free trade, we have managed trade. Fast-track was just to steamroller this preconceived trade deal. If it didn't stink, the details would be unveiled to create political momentum for the deal. Like we did for NAFTA. The fact that all the players are skipping that vital juice is a key sign this deal stinks to high heaven.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at May 24, 2015 05:52 PM (8rRE+)

286 If you want to dominate Republican politicians, or establish an equally strong replacement party, you will have to do the intensive labor and organizing to get your candidates into position. It takes years of work, networking, and massive fund-raising efforts. Right now, the old-line party workers and party leaders are guarding their political turf like rabid dogs. I watched them torpedo a great Tea Party candidate who won his Kentucky primary, and -quite literally- they worked to elect his Democratic opposition during the last mid-term election. Needless to say, burning the Republican house down to start over is a consideration. What I can't resolve, is how to do so- without placing the radical Left into positions that will further allow them to dominate the nation for decades. Burning down the Republican House and replacing it with true conservatives, necessitates a national political tsunami to prevent the Left from taking over the burned fields. One thought that occurs is whether this problem results more from the short term vs. long term solutions. Short term is dumping Republicans immediately on their rear ends. Long term strategy is recognizing that changing the national mind-set will create that political tsunami. We've discussed the role of education and entertainment in changing American values over the decades. You can't create a tsunami, without first changing the social and culture environment which fertilizes our leftward lurch.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at May 24, 2015 06:02 PM (7JEPK)

287 I'd rather be surfin

The Democrats recruit opposition to Democrats far better than Republicans even want to consider thinking of starting to do.

They have no responsibility or sense of duty. They have no integrity. They are not just lying cowards, they are stupid lying cowards.

And they're in the way of everything. Throw them out and reroll for a real opposition. Crush them. Deny them the legitimacy as the sole alternative to Democrat rule. Strip them of seniority. Drive off the donors who cultivate their power.

You can aim for a cultural or social wave, but, as long as the Republican Establishment exists as a political force, it will ignore social and cultural conservatism.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at May 24, 2015 06:24 PM (8rRE+)

288 Chris: agreed. But it would mean allowing Hillary to win or someone as Left Wing; and hoping that the eventual political backlash would give birth to the tsunami. Assuming we could recover from eight more years of disastrous C;inton decisions. But, I won't vote for McConnell again; no matter what silly idiot the Democrats dredge up as his opposition. I'm through with choosing him as the least awful alternative.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at May 24, 2015 06:51 PM (7JEPK)

289 58 It's my understanding that presidents have had fast track trade authority since the days of FDR.
Congress can still vote up or down on any trade agreements made by the President.


That's my understanding and my memory as well.

In general, I support free trade, in no small part than because it screws around the unions.

On the other hand, I assume that everything that Obama does is a bad deal. I prefer transparency.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at May 24, 2015 07:55 PM (0RdKg)

290 It is usually the far left and union and environmental thugs who protest free trade. Conservatives used to be smarter.

Don't be an idiot.


Posted by: Adjoran at May 24, 2015 04:56 PM (QIQ6j)

Conservatives used to be not so angry-populist. It's not a good look. Hopefully we'll get over this and stop sounding like Occupy protesters.

Posted by: Mister Magic at May 24, 2015 10:30 PM (nbgPm)

291 Is this the same Matt Drudge who basically turned into a primary campaign arm for Mitt Romney's presidential run? Weird.

Posted by: John S at May 25, 2015 04:26 AM (K29Iy)

292 We MUST have this trade agreement giving Obama more dictatorial powers. Remember demorats giving China most favored trade status for decades ? China is now the worlds number one power, and all it took was American jobs and money with the demorats to do it ! With this trade agreement we can advance more third Countries to top world status, and with Americans glad to give away their jobs and money, what's to worry ?
We're livin in a socialist utopia, (very muslim friendly) now !
Sharia law for those tied of freedom !

Posted by: ron n. at May 25, 2015 02:49 PM (YVQn/)

293 Honestly, I don't really pay much attention to anything Matt Drudge says anymore... he's got way too much love for Alex Jones.

Posted by: Crazy Bald Guy at May 25, 2015 08:25 PM (2LO6d)

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