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Atrocious: FoxNews Will Limit Debate Participation to Ten, Based On... The Polls
What the hell good are the polls right now? People don't know enough to make informed judgments yet. That is the point of a debate -- and that's the point of a first debate, surely.
We are in the very beginnings of this process, and FoxNews is using polls of uninformed people (and I don't mean that negatively; most of us are uniformed at this point) to decide who is allowed to run for President. And yes, this poll -- based on nothing but name recognition -- will in fact knock five or six people out of the contest entirely. Once you're excluded from a debate, you are labeled "fringe" forever -- and good luck trying to get free media, volunteers, and donors once you've been labeled fringe. It is not the point of a news organization to make the news -- as FoxNews would be doing here. Based on their silly, meaningless polls, they would declare ten candidates as viable, and five or six non-viable. Among those who'd be excluded at the moment: Bobby Jindal, long considered the future of the party, and generally acknowledged to be among the most policy-savvy in the entire party. Rick Perry, former governor of the state that's responsible for half the new jobs in America since Obama's inauguration. I know Perry shit the bed last time, but he says that was due to just getting off back surgery and being on pain pills, and I'd like to know if that's true or not. Because if he's sharper now -- he's a real good candidate. Carly Fiorina, former HP executive with a great biography and, she says, a thirst for Hillary Clinton's corrupt, murky blood. Well, she doesn't put it that way, but she says she can take her on. These are serious candidates. Fox is proposing to exclude them, why? Just to have a "normal" debate where all the candidates are on the stage at once? For one thing, this isn't a normal year. We have a lot of serious candidates. So do we stick with the usual, or do we adjust our practices to take into consideration the unusualness of this season? I think the latter. My proposal is that they split debate night into two panels, over two nights. (Or two panels on one night-- but that would be a long night, with around three hours total debate time plus time in between.) The top six in the polls would do a random draw to be split between the panels, three and three. Everyone else would do another random draw to determine which panel they'd be in. You'd end up having about 6-8 people per panel, which is a workable number. Note that the Fox "solution" solves little -- having ten people on the stage, answering the same questions, will be a huge clusterf*ck! It's barely an improvement over having fifteen -- do the math. Assuming about an hour, all told, answering questions (once the questions themselves, commercials, and basic traffic direction are excluded), ten people would have about six minute each to answer questions. Fifteen people would have four minutes each. So we're fighting to get "four minutes of actual answers per candidate" up to six minutes? This is an exceptional year in Republican politics, and conservative thinking, because virtually everything is up for grabs. In the last post, I talked about the Patriot Act. The party is split between some who want the full Patriot Act back, some who want the USA Freedom Act, and some who want the entire program scrapped as an unconstitutional invasion of privacy. There has not been an open debate between wildly divergent points of view like that in... forever? At least since Reagan. And it's not just that -- some ex-Republicans, like myself, actively want to increase taxes on the wealthy and corporations. (Well, I don't want cuts for them, at least.) My reasoning? I'm tired of the Ruling Class fucking over the rest of the party except when it comes to one thing, their taxation levels. I'm interested in some punishment, some discipline, and a message going forward. I don't get yelled at a lot when I propose this, either. This is an extremely fluid time in American politics, at least on the wide-open right, and it is precisely at this time that we do not need an Establishment, Corporatist entity like Fox artificially gaming the field just so that the future of our nation can fit into the Time Slot allotted to it.“We support and respect the decision Fox has made, which will match the greatest number of candidates we have ever had on a debate stage,” RNC chairman Reince Priebus said in a statement.Of course you do, Reince. Because the important thing is to keep the party nice and corporate and orderly, right? The Republican Party needs to have a debate. We should have that debate, instead of falling into our customary pattern of letting the Establishment, Corporatist Ruling Class decided the parameters of our debate for us, so we can choose between Option A and Pretty Much Just Like Option A Option B. Fox News should have a debate with all the candidates. All of them. And if that means tweaking the all-important convention, then so be it.
Comments
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Draw straws.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2015 06:38 PM (VPLuQ)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 20, 2015 06:39 PM (PMlgt)
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They will come to their senses and devise something else. Because thats a stupid idea.
Posted by: maddogg at May 20, 2015 06:40 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 06:41 PM (kdS6q)
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Old Jeb will be included which is their plan anyway...
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at May 20, 2015 06:41 PM (Bn6aD)
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Thunderdome!
Posted by: tu3031 at May 20, 2015 06:41 PM (YFFpo)
Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2015 06:41 PM (MDgS8)
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Will Chelsea be one of the ten based on the success of her new book?
Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2015 06:41 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at May 20, 2015 06:42 PM (Bn6aD)
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The RNC doesn't need FoxNews or anyone else to run/moderate their earliest debates. Do it streaming or buy an hour of time somewhere, screw the networks.
Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 06:42 PM (2cS/G)
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Good, I really want to hear Huckabee, Jebgantic, Historico Firsto and a talking hairpiece hash out the issues.
Posted by: kartoffel at May 20, 2015 06:42 PM (fVxXv)
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***Once you're excluded from a debate, you are labeled "fringe" forever -- and good luck trying to get free media, volunteers, and donors once you've been labeled fringe.***
Try telling that to Ron Paul...
Try telling that to Ron Paul...
Posted by: OJ Simpson at May 20, 2015 06:42 PM (wuOQ2)
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We know polls are never gamed.
And we know that the GOPe would never stoop so low as to ever game a pollster. Or to hire a polling firm that does "good work".
And we know that the GOPe would never stoop so low as to ever game a pollster. Or to hire a polling firm that does "good work".
Posted by: Furious George at May 20, 2015 06:42 PM (UlJ3l)
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They won't have this problem when Hillary debates. It will be just her answering softball questions on fashion from 50 slavering shills with press passes.
Posted by: maddogg at May 20, 2015 06:42 PM (xWW96)
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Get Inspired, Ace!
Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at May 20, 2015 06:43 PM (lubY2)
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I think debates are a thing of the past, a relic like a train whistle stop. I know pundits love the hell out of them but I don't think they make a single difference to voters. Not one.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 06:43 PM (39g3+)
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No debates. Make the candidates go retail, direct to the voter. Rent a hall, get local TV coverage. Have your own camera crew and put it up on the internet.
Go around the major news networks.
Go around the major news networks.
Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 06:43 PM (yoqR9)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2015 06:43 PM (FsuaD)
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Well gee Ace. You'll get your debate. It'll consist of the same fucktard talking heads that have been around forever debating on the television while you and the rest of us little people watch.
You'll get your debate and you'll like it.
You'll get your debate and you'll like it.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 20, 2015 06:44 PM (oFCZn)
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Duels.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 20, 2015 06:44 PM (0HooB)
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I think debates are a thing of the past, a relic like a train whistle stop. I know pundits love the hell out of them but I don't think they make a single difference to voters. Not one.
They are ridiculous but fuck FoxNews.
They suck.
I think debates are a thing of the past, a relic like a train whistle stop. I know pundits love the hell out of them but I don't think they make a single difference to voters. Not one.
They are ridiculous but fuck FoxNews.
They suck.
Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2015 06:44 PM (MDgS8)
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Fox News, like all the other news outlets, are not in the business of news. They're in the business of Attracting Eyeballs And Selling Ad Slots.
Fox News, like all the other news outlets, are not in the business of news. They're in the business of Attracting Eyeballs And Selling Ad Slots.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 06:44 PM (6R/ns)
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I think debates are a thing of the past, a relic like a train whistle
stop. I know pundits love the hell out of them but I don't think they
make a single difference to voters. Not one.
All You get is a bunch of taking heads after wards touting The winners and losers, and I rarely agree with their "choices."
I think debates are a thing of the past, a relic like a train whistle
stop. I know pundits love the hell out of them but I don't think they
make a single difference to voters. Not one.
All You get is a bunch of taking heads after wards touting The winners and losers, and I rarely agree with their "choices."
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at May 20, 2015 06:44 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: tu3031 at May 20, 2015 06:44 PM (YFFpo)
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Forget about it!
Obamas campaign channel must be available. Use that you GOP stooges!
Do I have to thinkof everything?
Buck Turgidson USAF Retired
Obamas campaign channel must be available. Use that you GOP stooges!
Do I have to thinkof everything?
Buck Turgidson USAF Retired
Posted by: DM at May 20, 2015 06:44 PM (xyDAt)
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Or top 11, or 12....whatever number is needed to make sure Jeb is in.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at May 20, 2015 06:45 PM (/HC6x)
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I know Perry shit the bed last time, but he says that was due to just getting off back surgery and being on pain pills,
I like Perry, mostly, but I'm not buying that. I hope he proves me wrong.
I like Perry, mostly, but I'm not buying that. I hope he proves me wrong.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at May 20, 2015 06:45 PM (mmlFU)
Posted by: ace at May 20, 2015 06:45 PM (PA7DS)
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One thing we can be certain of is there will be no debate at any of these farces.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 20, 2015 06:45 PM (auetc)
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Micheal J Fox is dead?
Micheal J Fox is dead?
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 06:45 PM (6R/ns)
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How did the Republicans conquer the Whigs as a political power? That's the playbook we need. We need a grand unifying issue as well. I'm not objecting to taxes on the corporations, but no one is going to go along with that as an overarching goal.
How did the Republicans conquer the Whigs as a political power? That's the playbook we need. We need a grand unifying issue as well. I'm not objecting to taxes on the corporations, but no one is going to go along with that as an overarching goal.
Posted by: imp at May 20, 2015 06:46 PM (XIXZz)
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Carly Fiorina, former HP executive with a great biography and, she says,
a thirst for Hillary Clinton's corrupt, murky blood. Well, she doesn't
put it that way, but she says she can take her on.
Talking female lib head on CNN this morning informed me that Hillary! has done an awesome job as "First Lady" "Senator" and "Sec of State."
Carly has only run a corporation.
Think as you will about Carly, I'd take her a million times over the Hildebeast.
a thirst for Hillary Clinton's corrupt, murky blood. Well, she doesn't
put it that way, but she says she can take her on.
Talking female lib head on CNN this morning informed me that Hillary! has done an awesome job as "First Lady" "Senator" and "Sec of State."
Carly has only run a corporation.
Think as you will about Carly, I'd take her a million times over the Hildebeast.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2015 06:46 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2015 06:46 PM (MDgS8)
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Debates only really work near the end, when only 2 or 3 candidates have a chance.
My proposal would to have candid individual interviews with each candidate. Ask them all the same 25 or so questions. You could even run a poll to select the questions, if polls are so important to FOX. Then, splice the videos together where Bret Baier asks each question, then have each candidate's 30 second answer.
After that, an hour of so analysis.
My proposal would to have candid individual interviews with each candidate. Ask them all the same 25 or so questions. You could even run a poll to select the questions, if polls are so important to FOX. Then, splice the videos together where Bret Baier asks each question, then have each candidate's 30 second answer.
After that, an hour of so analysis.
Posted by: Scott at May 20, 2015 06:46 PM (8YE33)
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Why are politicians still allowing the legacy media to determine the venues? Let them stage their own debates and put it on the web. They could even gain points by saying "FOX News doesn't want you to see this!"
Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 20, 2015 06:47 PM (jR7Wy)
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The polls run by media insiders and Beltway smart setters will decide for us dumb voters whom we should be allowed to even consider.
Yeah, go with that strategy, GOP.
Yeah, go with that strategy, GOP.
Posted by: Y-not at May 20, 2015 06:47 PM (RWGcK)
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I cut the cable and losing Fox News didn't effect my decision for one second. They're no longer part of the solution, they're part of the problem.
Posted by: se pa moron, lugging mattress and shag carpeting on back at May 20, 2015 06:47 PM (xQX/f)
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Strangely, none of these rules were in effect in 2008 when they let Al an Keyes show up and embarres everyone.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at May 20, 2015 06:47 PM (/HC6x)
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I think when Ted is done with Jeb he will need a tourniquet on his asshole.
Posted by: maddogg at May 20, 2015 06:47 PM (xWW96)
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Taxes on corporations are always taxes on consumers, and even taking into consideration some of the extant ridiculous sweetheart deals and exemptions, our corporate taxes are among the highest in the world.
Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 06:47 PM (2cS/G)
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Just an idea. But the candidates left out should arrange a debate on c-span an hour earlier. And have conservatives moderate.
I'd almost bet some of those scheduled for the FNC debate would beg to change places.
I'd almost bet some of those scheduled for the FNC debate would beg to change places.
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 06:48 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: the roost aint what it used to be at May 20, 2015 06:48 PM (7GI9v)
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>>>I like Perry, mostly, but I'm not buying that. I hope he proves me wrong.
I'm skeptical, but certainly there's *something* to that.
At any rate, I'd like to *know*, rather than just speculating with you here.
I'm skeptical, but certainly there's *something* to that.
At any rate, I'd like to *know*, rather than just speculating with you here.
Posted by: ace at May 20, 2015 06:48 PM (PA7DS)
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Debates, real debates, should not be a thing of the past.
The soundbite/photo op debates of recent SHOULD be a thing of the past.
The soundbite/photo op debates of recent SHOULD be a thing of the past.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 20, 2015 06:48 PM (PMlgt)
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And, assuming they're going by the Fox News poll, here's your Top Ten. Includes declared and wannabes:
Jeb Bush
Ben Carson
Scott Walker
Mike Huckabee
Marco Rubio
Rand Paul
Chris Christie
Ted Cruz
Donald Trump
John Kasich
http://tinyurl.com/lrp73xr - Q23
And, assuming they're going by the Fox News poll, here's your Top Ten. Includes declared and wannabes:
Jeb Bush
Ben Carson
Scott Walker
Mike Huckabee
Marco Rubio
Rand Paul
Chris Christie
Ted Cruz
Donald Trump
John Kasich
http://tinyurl.com/lrp73xr - Q23
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 06:48 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 20, 2015 06:48 PM (0HooB)
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Even a debate w/10 is too much - no way they can have anything more than pithy soundbites.
Why bother with the old debate format at all when you'd have to exclude half of the candidates just to prevent a useless forum?
Why bother with the old debate format at all when you'd have to exclude half of the candidates just to prevent a useless forum?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2015 06:49 PM (6MNGZ)
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Here's who will be most viable for FOXNews:
Bush, Huckabee, Christie, Bush, and Bush. All else of the Right will be deemed fringe.
Bush, Huckabee, Christie, Bush, and Bush. All else of the Right will be deemed fringe.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 20, 2015 06:49 PM (1CroS)
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>>> Taxes on corporations are always taxes on consumers, and even taking into consideration some of the extant ridiculous sweetheart deals and exemptions, our corporate taxes are among the highest in the world.
i don't care, i'm tired of fighting for *their* agenda when they turn around and fight against mine.
They should be Democrats; I would like to invite them to that party.
i don't care, i'm tired of fighting for *their* agenda when they turn around and fight against mine.
They should be Democrats; I would like to invite them to that party.
Posted by: ace at May 20, 2015 06:49 PM (PA7DS)
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Rip Taylor is dead?
Rip Taylor is dead?
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 06:50 PM (6R/ns)
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I've said before, when you have 6, 8, or 10 candidates on stage, it's not a "debate" in any meaningful sense of the term. It's impossible to get into issues in depth. All it is is a showcase for slogans and soundbites.
And if moderated by a MSM reporter, "gotcha" questions will be in the mix. The whole thing is a farce. It's endless political theater that's guaranteed to make the LIVs tune out. Hell, even *I* mostly tuned out the debates in the 2011-2012 campaign.
Honest question: Were there ever any Presidential debates before Kennedy-Nixon in 1960? I can't think of any. (The Lincoln-Douglas debates were for a Senate race.)
And if moderated by a MSM reporter, "gotcha" questions will be in the mix. The whole thing is a farce. It's endless political theater that's guaranteed to make the LIVs tune out. Hell, even *I* mostly tuned out the debates in the 2011-2012 campaign.
Honest question: Were there ever any Presidential debates before Kennedy-Nixon in 1960? I can't think of any. (The Lincoln-Douglas debates were for a Senate race.)
Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2015 06:50 PM (sdi6R)
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Welcome to Polltocracy.
Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 06:50 PM (RJMhd)
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Jeb Bush
Ben Carson
Scott Walker
Mike Huckabee
Marco Rubio
Rand Paul
Chris Christie
Ted Cruz
Donald Trump
John Kasich
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Scott Walker must love this plan.
Ben Carson
Scott Walker
Mike Huckabee
Marco Rubio
Rand Paul
Chris Christie
Ted Cruz
Donald Trump
John Kasich
---
Scott Walker must love this plan.
Posted by: Y-not at May 20, 2015 06:50 PM (RWGcK)
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IF I vote (yes, that's a big IF) next year, it probably be for Perry.
Even if I have to write him in.
Even if I have to write him in.
Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 20, 2015 06:50 PM (fzHss)
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Don't watch any news, including FOX. Elections don't matter anymore anyway. They're all the same people, except for Ted Cruz and Louie Gohmert. My surg went good and sent off to pathology. Beautiful doctor says confident she got it all. Sorry no pictures. For supper, fresh grilled salmon, sweet corn, spaghetti squash, raisin/carrot salad, and tomato/cucumber/onion with honey vinegar dressing prepared lovingly by the charming and intelligent Mrs. E. 2 beers, 2 glasses of wine. I'm thankful.
Posted by: Eromero at May 20, 2015 06:50 PM (go5uR)
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They should do a CandidateCon in a few major cities, all of the contenders in one place, booths, speeches, presentations. Sounds tough on the candidate, but driving around all day repeating the same speech a couple dozen times is no picnic either.
Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 06:50 PM (2cS/G)
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I listened to Rick Perry being grilled by Beck this morning. (I know, I know...but Beck is "healed" from whatever and bearable now.)
I was impressed with Every.Single.Thing.He.Said.
I'm seriously leaning toward Team Perry. Again.
I was impressed with Every.Single.Thing.He.Said.
I'm seriously leaning toward Team Perry. Again.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2015 06:51 PM (FsuaD)
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Why isn't the GOP putting on its own debate/candidate forums and just inviting the press to cover it?
Haven't they ceded enough control to the enemy/press already?
Haven't they ceded enough control to the enemy/press already?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2015 06:51 PM (6MNGZ)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 20, 2015 06:51 PM (1CroS)
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Instead of polls, how about using some primary fundraising sum as a minimum amount to get in? Anyone can vote in polls, including peeps I don't exactly trust. But people that are committing moola -- they are serious about their candidates.
Or at a minimum, have a second debate with those declared candidates that don't make the first cut. They deserve a shot on the stage to be heard. Even that dickweed Lindsey.
Or at a minimum, have a second debate with those declared candidates that don't make the first cut. They deserve a shot on the stage to be heard. Even that dickweed Lindsey.
Posted by: GnuBreed at May 20, 2015 06:51 PM (hWqbq)
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I think the truth here is Fox wants to exclude Jindal and Cruz...because Roger Ailes is a cocksucking clinton progressive.
I think the truth here is Fox wants to exclude Jindal and Cruz...because Roger Ailes is a cocksucking clinton progressive.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 06:51 PM (6R/ns)
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News Flash: thuggish, mostly white bikers killing each other is totally the same as thuggish, all black rioters attacking police and destroying property of people that had nothing to do with any of the "issues". They are not being portrayed or percived them same because of, get this, racism. But they are really the same and both expose the inherent racism of American society. Who would have guessed?
Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at May 20, 2015 06:51 PM (oG53/)
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Mebbe they could arrange the debates like the sweet 16.
Posted by: maddogg at May 20, 2015 06:51 PM (xWW96)
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Beck and crew have been hard on Huckabee (yay), but their support of Rick Sanctimonious pisses me off.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2015 06:52 PM (FsuaD)
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Fox News is so in the tank for Jeb that it is laughable.Or so I've heard,I don't bother to watch.
Posted by: steevy at May 20, 2015 06:52 PM (mGBKM)
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These fake debates remind me of the debate between the clone candidates on Futurama.
John Jackson: "I support more freedom and lower taxes."
Jack Johnson: "Unlike my opponent, I support lower taxes and MORE freedom."
John Jackson: "I support more freedom and lower taxes."
Jack Johnson: "Unlike my opponent, I support lower taxes and MORE freedom."
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at May 20, 2015 06:52 PM (wjzWP)
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40 Taxes on corporations are always taxes on consumers, and even taking into consideration some of the extant ridiculous sweetheart deals and exemptions, our corporate taxes are among the highest in the world.
Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 06:47 PM (2cS/G)
Agreed.
Which is why they need to be blocked from selling their shit here until they knock off the bullshit.
Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 06:47 PM (2cS/G)
Agreed.
Which is why they need to be blocked from selling their shit here until they knock off the bullshit.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 20, 2015 06:53 PM (oFCZn)
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I was impressed with Every.Single.Thing.He.Said.
I'm seriously leaning toward Team Perry. Again.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2015 06:51 PM (FsuaD)
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What's interesting about Perry is that even CoolCzech, who is a self-described Connecticut RINO, is warming up to him.
He is better prepared this time and he's our best governor.
Curious to see what the rollout will be like since I don't think he'll be out from under that bogus indictment yet.
I'm seriously leaning toward Team Perry. Again.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2015 06:51 PM (FsuaD)
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What's interesting about Perry is that even CoolCzech, who is a self-described Connecticut RINO, is warming up to him.
He is better prepared this time and he's our best governor.
Curious to see what the rollout will be like since I don't think he'll be out from under that bogus indictment yet.
Posted by: Y-not at May 20, 2015 06:53 PM (RWGcK)
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FOX and Prince Reibus envision this whole thing as a group press forum, in which the GOP can gradually present a well-rounded piece of crapcandidate, with all the rough edges shaved down and shined up for the election night blow-up.
And, by the way, I'm all for punishing the wealthy for supporting Democratic Socialism or Fascism or whatever it is they think they're funding when they buy off the Obama's or the Clinton's, but increasing taxes just hurts the working man ultimately. So screw that idea.
And, by the way, I'm all for punishing the wealthy for supporting Democratic Socialism or Fascism or whatever it is they think they're funding when they buy off the Obama's or the Clinton's, but increasing taxes just hurts the working man ultimately. So screw that idea.
Posted by: MTF at May 20, 2015 06:53 PM (TcePY)
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Reince Priebus should also publish a book:
How To Ckuf Up Endlessly and Keep Your Dream Job
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 20, 2015 06:51 PM
I'd stand in line for a signed copy.
How To Ckuf Up Endlessly and Keep Your Dream Job
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 20, 2015 06:51 PM
I'd stand in line for a signed copy.
Posted by: Michael Steele at May 20, 2015 06:53 PM (bynk/)
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I fear we're gonna have a free for all with candidates on the attack while Hillary! sits back and watches...
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at May 20, 2015 06:53 PM (Bn6aD)
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ex-Republican. heh.
Posted by: exhippie at May 20, 2015 06:54 PM (9STDh)
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And Rick Perry is the only potential candidate with a military background.
That means everything to our son and all his vet buddies.
That means everything to our son and all his vet buddies.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2015 06:54 PM (FsuaD)
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Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 20, 2015 06:50 PM (fzHss)
Hey chi, you asked me to let you know how the sump pump inspection turned out.
Two guys from the Municipal Authority arrived at 8:30 this morning. I showed them the discharge pipe where it exits the house, then they asked to see the pump in the crawlspace. I opened the door, one of them stuck his head in, said, "Looks good", and they left. The end.
Hey chi, you asked me to let you know how the sump pump inspection turned out.
Two guys from the Municipal Authority arrived at 8:30 this morning. I showed them the discharge pipe where it exits the house, then they asked to see the pump in the crawlspace. I opened the door, one of them stuck his head in, said, "Looks good", and they left. The end.
Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2015 06:54 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 20, 2015 06:54 PM (TV9BR)
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i don't care, i'm tired of fighting for *their* agenda when they turn around and fight against mine.
They should be Democrats; I would like to invite them to that party.
Posted by: ace
_________________
Conservative populism. Our corporate taxes don't need to be raised, but let's go back to Eisenhower Administration rates on the wealthiest--they all vote Democrat. Let's break up today's monopolies--"charitable" foundations set up by the Bill Clintons and the Warren Buffetts and the Bill Gateses of the country.
They should be Democrats; I would like to invite them to that party.
Posted by: ace
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Conservative populism. Our corporate taxes don't need to be raised, but let's go back to Eisenhower Administration rates on the wealthiest--they all vote Democrat. Let's break up today's monopolies--"charitable" foundations set up by the Bill Clintons and the Warren Buffetts and the Bill Gateses of the country.
Posted by: Furious George at May 20, 2015 06:54 PM (UlJ3l)
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Come on, Ace, a debate between Jeb Bush, Lindsey Graham, Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney is JUST what the GOP and the nation needs...
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 20, 2015 06:54 PM (XO6WW)
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Instead of polls, how about using some primary fundraising sum as a minimum amount to get in?
Posted by: GnuBreed
That is the other proposal that everybody is floating at the moment. Of course, still gives you the institutional insider being acclaimed by checkbook problem.
Instead of polls, how about using some primary fundraising sum as a minimum amount to get in?
Posted by: GnuBreed
That is the other proposal that everybody is floating at the moment. Of course, still gives you the institutional insider being acclaimed by checkbook problem.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 06:54 PM (kdS6q)
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If you want to salvage the Republican party, the best thing you can do for them is stop voting for them.
If you want to salvage the Republican party, the best thing you can do for them is stop voting for them.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 06:55 PM (6R/ns)
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When Perry is on his game he's phenomenal. I think the anti-Obama is coming out of Texas. No other state can produce the man who is required.
Posted by: se pa moron, lugging mattress and shag carpeting on back at May 20, 2015 06:55 PM (xQX/f)
81
and Phuck Phox
Posted by: MTF at May 20, 2015 06:55 PM (TcePY)
82
All that you need to know about the editorial position of Fox News is explained by this one simple photograph.
http://tinyurl.com/l5grq87
Quick, name the three individuals having a big laugh together.
http://tinyurl.com/l5grq87
Quick, name the three individuals having a big laugh together.
Posted by: torquewrench at May 20, 2015 06:55 PM (noWW6)
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Curious to see what the rollout will be like since I don't think he'll be out from under that bogus indictment yet.
Posted by: Y-not at May 20, 2015 06:53 PM (RWGcK)
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And yet Hillary hasn't really been hampered by the decidedly NON-bogus Benghazi hearings. *spit*
Posted by: Y-not at May 20, 2015 06:53 PM (RWGcK)
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And yet Hillary hasn't really been hampered by the decidedly NON-bogus Benghazi hearings. *spit*
Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 20, 2015 06:55 PM (jR7Wy)
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And Rick Perry is the only potential candidate with a military background.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
Miss Lindsey.
And Rick Perry is the only potential candidate with a military background.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
Miss Lindsey.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 06:55 PM (kdS6q)
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64 Santorum has fewer corpses to his credit than Huckabee.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 20, 2015 06:56 PM (XO6WW)
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 06:56 PM (6R/ns)
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at May 20, 2015 06:56 PM (Bn6aD)
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Maybe a bracket elimination on C-SPAN is the best option.
First month every candidate in four person groups has debates. After each debate episode, viewers cast ballots.
Those who make the first month cut then debate. And viewers vote.
Keep doing it until only three candidates are left.
And let them start the ground running in Iowa.
First month every candidate in four person groups has debates. After each debate episode, viewers cast ballots.
Those who make the first month cut then debate. And viewers vote.
Keep doing it until only three candidates are left.
And let them start the ground running in Iowa.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 20, 2015 06:56 PM (blHar)
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If Fox goes ahead and does this, the excluded candidates should have their own "shadow" debates, on the Internet, at some savvy timeslot. I'm not a media expert, I don't know if the correct thing is to do it simultaneously with Internet live streaming, or just do it a day later right after the evening news or whatever.
The Libertarian candidates are used to being unfairly excluded; even if the Libertarian is on the ballot in all 50 states, they are never invited to the debates between the D and R candidates in the run up to the actual election. So I think sometimes Libertarian candidates have done the shadow debate thing.
It's sad that no libertarian candidate has ever gotten a significant chunk of the votes. You would think that liberty would be an easy thing to sell in the USA, but I guess not.
The Libertarian candidates are used to being unfairly excluded; even if the Libertarian is on the ballot in all 50 states, they are never invited to the debates between the D and R candidates in the run up to the actual election. So I think sometimes Libertarian candidates have done the shadow debate thing.
It's sad that no libertarian candidate has ever gotten a significant chunk of the votes. You would think that liberty would be an easy thing to sell in the USA, but I guess not.
Posted by: mr_jack at May 20, 2015 06:56 PM (GP7PH)
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The first question of every debate should be "have you given an award and $225,000 to Hillary Clinton?"
Posted by: Buzzion at May 20, 2015 06:57 PM (z/Ubi)
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Unless it's Jeb or Huckabuck as the nominee, I'll vote repub. The other two choices are just too horrendous.
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 06:58 PM (/HX7u)
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In 2016 you have a choice between 10 Jon Huntsmans.
In 2016 you have a choice between 10 Jon Huntsmans.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 06:58 PM (6R/ns)
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So if North Korea nuked LA and Hollywood, killing millions of Democrats and making California a red state, would that be the opposite of Obama's immigration policy?
Posted by: norrin radd at May 20, 2015 06:58 PM (5aKlz)
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When Perry is on his game he's phenomenal. I think the anti-Obama is coming out of Texas. No other state can produce the man who is required.
Posted by: se pa moron
In 2012, 99.7% of Republican primary voters pulled the lever for someone not Perry.
One can believe in American being the land of second chances, but come on.
When Perry is on his game he's phenomenal. I think the anti-Obama is coming out of Texas. No other state can produce the man who is required.
Posted by: se pa moron
In 2012, 99.7% of Republican primary voters pulled the lever for someone not Perry.
One can believe in American being the land of second chances, but come on.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 06:58 PM (kdS6q)
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I propose AoSHQ webcast debates, and Breitbart's favorite people get to ask the questions.
Posted by: MTF at May 20, 2015 06:58 PM (TcePY)
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>>>He was a JAG.... useless...
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.Wow, pretty harsh calling someone out like that who actually raised their hand and took the oath.
Maybe I missed some Feng Shu snark or something?
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.Wow, pretty harsh calling someone out like that who actually raised their hand and took the oath.
Maybe I missed some Feng Shu snark or something?
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 20, 2015 06:59 PM (iONHu)
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Be like your northern neighbour (note the "u") and refuse to debate on the "normal" networks:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/k8mhb7p
Cheers
http://preview.tinyurl.com/k8mhb7p
Cheers
Posted by: Russtovich at May 20, 2015 06:59 PM (8zhoe)
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Walker, Cruz, or Jindal are the only 3 who I'd vote for.
Walker, Cruz, or Jindal are the only 3 who I'd vote for.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 06:59 PM (6R/ns)
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If Candy "Coated" Crowley is the moderator for the Dem debate, she won't bother with a podium, just sit next to Hillary and exchange notes.
Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 06:59 PM (2cS/G)
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87 Miss Lindsey.
He was a JAG.... useless...
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at May 20, 2015 06:56 PM (Bn6aD)
Um, I think ThunderB was a JAG, if I'm not mistaken.
He was a JAG.... useless...
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at May 20, 2015 06:56 PM (Bn6aD)
Um, I think ThunderB was a JAG, if I'm not mistaken.
Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2015 07:00 PM (sdi6R)
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A debate of ten people. So fucking stupid that the American viewing audience might actually watch. Hey, it's just like Survivor, man. Will Ben Carson be voted off this week???
Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 07:00 PM (sdxPm)
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at May 20, 2015 07:01 PM (Bn6aD)
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Wow, pretty harsh calling someone out like that who actually raised their hand and took the oath.
obama took an oath...
Wow, pretty harsh calling someone out like that who actually raised their hand and took the oath.
obama took an oath...
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 07:01 PM (6R/ns)
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>>>>Wow, pretty harsh calling someone out like that who actually raised their hand and took the oath.
obama took an oath...
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.To join the Military?
obama took an oath...
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.To join the Military?
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 20, 2015 07:01 PM (iONHu)
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It's sad that no libertarian candidate has ever gotten a significant chunk of the votes. You would think that liberty would be an easy thing to sell in the USA, but I guess not.
Posted by: mr_jack at May 20, 2015 06:56 PM (GP7PH)
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Legalizing drugs just aren't on people's high-priority lists.
Posted by: mr_jack at May 20, 2015 06:56 PM (GP7PH)
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Legalizing drugs just aren't on people's high-priority lists.
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 07:01 PM (/HX7u)
106
Atrocious?
Lookit, Ace. If you want to control the narrative, you have to buy a newspaper, or a television station.
Otherwise, you're just pissing into a fan.
Quit bitching about the media and buy it.
Lookit, Ace. If you want to control the narrative, you have to buy a newspaper, or a television station.
Otherwise, you're just pissing into a fan.
Quit bitching about the media and buy it.
Posted by: someguy at May 20, 2015 07:02 PM (3z91g)
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The only upside to this plan......no Peter King to piss me off 5 minutes in o the debate.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at May 20, 2015 07:02 PM (/HC6x)
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Miss Lindsey.
He was a JAG.... useless...
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna
Still got his ticket punched, so to speak.
Gets to run the picture in uniform in his ads.
Miss Lindsey.
He was a JAG.... useless...
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna
Still got his ticket punched, so to speak.
Gets to run the picture in uniform in his ads.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 07:02 PM (kdS6q)
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You know, the HQ has a weekly podcast.
Lots of us listen to it.
Those guys are pretty smart, and know how to ask questions.
Just sanin'
Lots of us listen to it.
Those guys are pretty smart, and know how to ask questions.
Just sanin'
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2015 07:02 PM (VPLuQ)
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A totalitarian's military service means NOTHING to me.
A totalitarian's military service means NOTHING to me.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 07:02 PM (6R/ns)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 20, 2015 07:02 PM (0HooB)
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Micheal J Fox is dead?
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 06:45 PM (6R/ns)
No, but his health is a little shaky.
Micheal J Fox is dead?
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 06:45 PM (6R/ns)
No, but his health is a little shaky.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2015 07:02 PM (mx5oN)
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>And it's not just that -- some ex-Republicans, like myself, actively
want to increase taxes on the wealthy and corporations. (Well, I don't
want cuts for them, at least.) My reasoning? I'm tired of the
Ruling Class fucking over the rest of the party except when it comes to
one thing, their taxation levels. I'm interested in some punishment,
some discipline, and a message going forward.
>I don't get yelled at a lot when I propose this, either.
I'll
yell at you if you want. That's kind of like stabbing yourself in the
skull to teach the brain cancer a lesson. Any harm you do to them will
be negligible. Capital routes around taxes, regulations and any other
roadblocks you throw at it. Ask France. Life finds a way, usually through offshore
accounts and outsourcing. I'm not super concerned about their finances either - and
somebody who can afford to pick up and move their operation to the other
side of the world doesn't need me to be concerned about them - but in
99% of cases they're either in full collusion with the government or
beyond its reach.
The key to the results you're looking for
is getting somebody, whether it's the GOP or some future
third/replacement party to take a long-term historical view instead of
the good old Keynesian YOLO plan. Because the voters are not going to plan long-term, and a colder Brazil (but with nice gated communities!) is not a feasible plan for the future of a first-world country. How you can do that within the frame
of popular government, I'm not sure. You probably can't, for the same reason we'll fail to come up with a coherent policy for data collection. Short sightedness is a democratic specialty.
>And it's not just that -- some ex-Republicans, like myself, actively
want to increase taxes on the wealthy and corporations. (Well, I don't
want cuts for them, at least.) My reasoning? I'm tired of the
Ruling Class fucking over the rest of the party except when it comes to
one thing, their taxation levels. I'm interested in some punishment,
some discipline, and a message going forward.
>I don't get yelled at a lot when I propose this, either.
I'll
yell at you if you want. That's kind of like stabbing yourself in the
skull to teach the brain cancer a lesson. Any harm you do to them will
be negligible. Capital routes around taxes, regulations and any other
roadblocks you throw at it. Ask France. Life finds a way, usually through offshore
accounts and outsourcing. I'm not super concerned about their finances either - and
somebody who can afford to pick up and move their operation to the other
side of the world doesn't need me to be concerned about them - but in
99% of cases they're either in full collusion with the government or
beyond its reach.
The key to the results you're looking for
is getting somebody, whether it's the GOP or some future
third/replacement party to take a long-term historical view instead of
the good old Keynesian YOLO plan. Because the voters are not going to plan long-term, and a colder Brazil (but with nice gated communities!) is not a feasible plan for the future of a first-world country. How you can do that within the frame
of popular government, I'm not sure. You probably can't, for the same reason we'll fail to come up with a coherent policy for data collection. Short sightedness is a democratic specialty.
Posted by: kartoffel at May 20, 2015 07:03 PM (fVxXv)
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Complete BS. How much time had Fox wasted during prime time television with the likes of O'Reilly, Hannity, and Greta on specious nonsense.
Is it really that difficult to have multiple debates that have four or five candidates apiece on a given night?
They pretend that such options are beyond rational consideration. They aren't.
Complete BS. How much time had Fox wasted during prime time television with the likes of O'Reilly, Hannity, and Greta on specious nonsense.
Is it really that difficult to have multiple debates that have four or five candidates apiece on a given night?
They pretend that such options are beyond rational consideration. They aren't.
Posted by: Levin at May 20, 2015 07:03 PM (uGiHE)
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Walker/Cruz ticket
Posted by: dude guy at May 20, 2015 07:03 PM (q177U)
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Perry? hilarious. the dems and media should get so lucky. you think Bush was painted as a retard? this guy is the real deal. he didn't lead conservatives. he jumped in front of a parade and mouthed words he could not understand or explain.
Posted by: X at May 20, 2015 07:03 PM (n5fTN)
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"And Rick Perry is the only potential candidate with a military background. That means everything to our son and all his vet buddies."
The last serving POTUS with a military background was George W. Bush.
That didn't stop Dubya from making absolutely horrific foreign policy blunders which got a huge number of military service members killed or permanently maimed.
And ultimately ending up with the goals for which they had been sacrificed also being sacrificed.
There were, what, something like 1300 American lives lost in pacifying Anbar and Ramadi, which are now being taken back with contemptuous ease by the Islamic State?
Some will no doubt say that this is Obama's fault, but Bush's enormous failures were what created the opportunity for Obama's meteoric rise in the first place. Obscure state legislators do not vault to the Presidency in only four years under normal political circumstances. The implosion of Dubya's presidency created an abnormal circumstance which Obama cleverly exploited.
The last serving POTUS with a military background was George W. Bush.
That didn't stop Dubya from making absolutely horrific foreign policy blunders which got a huge number of military service members killed or permanently maimed.
And ultimately ending up with the goals for which they had been sacrificed also being sacrificed.
There were, what, something like 1300 American lives lost in pacifying Anbar and Ramadi, which are now being taken back with contemptuous ease by the Islamic State?
Some will no doubt say that this is Obama's fault, but Bush's enormous failures were what created the opportunity for Obama's meteoric rise in the first place. Obscure state legislators do not vault to the Presidency in only four years under normal political circumstances. The implosion of Dubya's presidency created an abnormal circumstance which Obama cleverly exploited.
Posted by: torquewrench at May 20, 2015 07:03 PM (noWW6)
118
Oh god, formatting. Pixy, why.
Posted by: kartoffel at May 20, 2015 07:03 PM (fVxXv)
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LincolnTf: "If Candy "Coated" Crowley [...] just sit next to Hillary and exchange notes."
I think we're even beyond that now. I bet they could just have Hillary! moderate the event and get away with it. Priebus would privately cheer.
I think we're even beyond that now. I bet they could just have Hillary! moderate the event and get away with it. Priebus would privately cheer.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 20, 2015 07:04 PM (1CroS)
120
Forget it Kartoffel, its Pixytown.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 20, 2015 07:04 PM (blHar)
121
At some point we need to settle all GOP family business, and decide once and for all about this Democrat Light/Reagan Republican tug-o-war.
Posted by: MTF at May 20, 2015 07:04 PM (TcePY)
122
I kind of like Scott's idea upthread. Give each candidate an interview, each with the same 25 or so questions. It's a long way to the primaries. Let each lay out their individual thoughts on the policies that they would like to see enacted. And for God's sake, none of the leftist MSM (BIRM) gotchya crap questions.
Posted by: Old Blue at May 20, 2015 07:04 PM (9iR5/)
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A part of me, a very small part of me - about 3 molecules worth - would be OK with a Hillary! win. I'd like to see her left holding the bag when the music stops, since we're doomed anyway.
Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2015 07:05 PM (e3bId)
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>>>>A totalitarian's military service means NOTHING to me.
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.That's cool. It does mean something to me.
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.That's cool. It does mean something to me.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 20, 2015 07:05 PM (iONHu)
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Just to dampen some Perry enthusiasm- he's the kind of conservative who thinks governments should fund private corporations (to create jobs). He was also a Democrat until pretty far into life, past Reagan (think it was Gore in 92' he campaigned for?).
So it seems he's more of a crony-capitalist than a free-marketeer. He did just come out against the Ex-Im bank, as it becomes an electoral issue, even though he was for it last year. That's the kind of guy we'd get.
I don't expect perfection, but some sort of natural disgust toward corporate welfare would be nice, as opposed to championing it.
So it seems he's more of a crony-capitalist than a free-marketeer. He did just come out against the Ex-Im bank, as it becomes an electoral issue, even though he was for it last year. That's the kind of guy we'd get.
I don't expect perfection, but some sort of natural disgust toward corporate welfare would be nice, as opposed to championing it.
Posted by: scott at May 20, 2015 07:05 PM (o2C6M)
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They should claim that theu did it in order to "End Slavery"
That is the apparently the end that is needed to justify ANY means.
That is the apparently the end that is needed to justify ANY means.
Posted by: The Ghost of the Confederacy at May 20, 2015 07:06 PM (92YAX)
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Complete BS. How much time had Fox wasted during prime time television with the likes of O'Reilly, Hannity, and Greta on specious nonsense.
Posted by: Levin
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Next up, some incredible new revelations in the Natalee Holloway story! Unbelievable!
Posted by: Levin
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Next up, some incredible new revelations in the Natalee Holloway story! Unbelievable!
Posted by: Sean Hannity on Autopilot at May 20, 2015 07:06 PM (UlJ3l)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 20, 2015 07:06 PM (0HooB)
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I'll give the debate to the first candidate who will squat on my hand and let me work them like a puppet!
Posted by: George Stephanopolopolous at May 20, 2015 07:06 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Golfman at May 20, 2015 07:06 PM (48QDY)
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What's so hard about this? It's either Jeb Bush or Jeb Bush- Fox News and the Chamber of Commerce.
The rest...Kabuki.
The rest...Kabuki.
Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 07:07 PM (sdxPm)
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Soona: "Legalizing drugs just aren't on people's high-priority lists."
Good pun.
However, legalizing drugs is actually an issue in ascension. Not one I'd want, but the country is trending towards a state of catatonia. And electrolytes.
Good pun.
However, legalizing drugs is actually an issue in ascension. Not one I'd want, but the country is trending towards a state of catatonia. And electrolytes.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 20, 2015 07:07 PM (1CroS)
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At any rate, I'd like to *know*, rather than just speculating with you here.
Posted by: ace at May 20, 2015 06:48 PM (PA7DS)
Agreed.
Posted by: ace at May 20, 2015 06:48 PM (PA7DS)
Agreed.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at May 20, 2015 07:07 PM (mmlFU)
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I'll give the debate to the first candidate who will squat on my hand and let me work them like a puppet!
Posted by: George Stephanopolopolous
Oooo! *raises hand*
Posted by: George Stephanopolopolous
Oooo! *raises hand*
Posted by: Lindsay Graham at May 20, 2015 07:08 PM (wjzWP)
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Obscure state legislators do not vault to the Presidency in only four years under normal political circumstances.
Posted by: torquewrench
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"Normal" is such an interesting word.
Posted by: torquewrench
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"Normal" is such an interesting word.
Posted by: George Soros at May 20, 2015 07:08 PM (UlJ3l)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 20, 2015 07:10 PM (zqrZE)
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125 Just to dampen some Perry enthusiasm- he's the kind of conservative who thinks governments should fund private corporations (to create jobs). He was also a Democrat until pretty far into life, past Reagan (think it was Gore in 92' he campaigned for?).
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Yeah Perry was a democrat once so fuck him! He's worthless unlike lifelong republican stalwarts such as John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Chris Christie and Peter King.
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Yeah Perry was a democrat once so fuck him! He's worthless unlike lifelong republican stalwarts such as John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Chris Christie and Peter King.
Posted by: Buzzion at May 20, 2015 07:10 PM (z/Ubi)
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if based on legitimate polls, Jeb is out.
Posted by: Mr Wizard at May 20, 2015 07:10 PM (hCdMd)
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This is how I would run a debate. The candidates are separated from each other. They are all asked the same ten questions and they have 5 minutes to answer each. They each have ten extra minutes that they can use to finish answers. If they mention another politician or their position, the microphone goes off and they lose the rest of that five minutes.
This means that they can say what they think, what they plan and what they will do but they cannot attack their opponent, or interrupt or assign blame to someone else.
Put the videos on line and the public can watch as much or as little of each as they like.
This means that they can say what they think, what they plan and what they will do but they cannot attack their opponent, or interrupt or assign blame to someone else.
Put the videos on line and the public can watch as much or as little of each as they like.
Posted by: JB1000 at May 20, 2015 07:11 PM (WLJbV)
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Rick Perry is indicted and will be too busy in court getting convicted and then appealing his conviction to run in 2016.
Rick Perry is indicted and will be too busy in court getting convicted and then appealing his conviction to run in 2016.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 07:11 PM (6R/ns)
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>> I kind of like Scott's idea upthread. Give each candidate an interview, each with the same 25 or so questions
Yes, just like the Rick Warren interviews. And Warren was great at asking straight-forward and values-based questions, none of that gotcha crap - at least, I don't recall anything like that.
Yes, just like the Rick Warren interviews. And Warren was great at asking straight-forward and values-based questions, none of that gotcha crap - at least, I don't recall anything like that.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2015 07:12 PM (6MNGZ)
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Of course you do, Reince. Because the important thing is to keep the party nice and corporate and orderly, right?
Imagine the ratings if each candidate had to square off against a Gorn. Must-see TV.
Imagine the ratings if each candidate had to square off against a Gorn. Must-see TV.
Posted by: pep at May 20, 2015 07:12 PM (LAe3v)
143
Yeah Perry was a democrat once so fuck him! He's worthless unlike lifelong republican stalwarts such as John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Chris Christie and Peter King.
Posted by: Buzzion
He was about the last democrat in Texas. he was anti-Reagan. he needs to explain that.
Posted by: Buzzion
He was about the last democrat in Texas. he was anti-Reagan. he needs to explain that.
Posted by: X at May 20, 2015 07:12 PM (n5fTN)
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If the candidates break the rules, can they get dumped in a huge bowl of Jello? Or maybe a pie in the face?
Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 07:13 PM (2cS/G)
145
ten?
take the top six
take the top six
Posted by: navycopjoe at May 20, 2015 07:13 PM (6fWT8)
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Once you're excluded from a debate, you are labeled "fringe" forever -- and good luck trying to get free media, volunteers, and donors once you've been labeled fringe.
WHOoooaahhag blaagga waggaa EEECK!! Oooorrrrtttaaa#$%^^
WHOoooaahhag blaagga waggaa EEECK!! Oooorrrrtttaaa#$%^^
Posted by: average RoPaul volunteer at May 20, 2015 07:13 PM (uctT+)
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 07:13 PM (6R/ns)
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Levin : "Complete BS. How much time had Fox wasted during prime time television with the likes of O'Reilly, Hannity, and Greta on specious nonsense."
Can't televise extended debates. You might miss the likes of Water's World wherein we all discover just how ignorant those who would vote are. Why bother educating them?
Can't televise extended debates. You might miss the likes of Water's World wherein we all discover just how ignorant those who would vote are. Why bother educating them?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 20, 2015 07:13 PM (1CroS)
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I've read in the Media (giggle) that Jeb is either too tired doesn't reeeaaallly want to be the Wiz. To the GOPe, this is a feature, not a bug.
Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 07:13 PM (sdxPm)
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About Rick Perry--You have to seriously consider giving a pass to anyone in Texas or Oklahoma who became a Republican later in life. The Republicans there up until the '80s and '90s were the squishy Chamber of Commerce GOPe types. Oftentimes, you would vote for the Democrat, knowing that you were voting for the more conservative candidate.
Posted by: Furious George at May 20, 2015 07:13 PM (UlJ3l)
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Instead of debates, split the GOP candidates into two teams and play a killer game of dodgeball.
The hilarity will be immense when the two phat phucks, KrispieKreme and "FeelDaLove" Jebbie, get hammered in the first volley.
Instead of debates, split the GOP candidates into two teams and play a killer game of dodgeball.
The hilarity will be immense when the two phat phucks, KrispieKreme and "FeelDaLove" Jebbie, get hammered in the first volley.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at May 20, 2015 07:13 PM (VLTL9)
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he was anti-Reagan. he needs to explain that.
Posted by: X at May 20, 2015 07:12 PM (n5fTN)
Who was himself a Democrat. So did you demand of Ronald Reagan that he explain himself before he was allowed to run for president?
Posted by: X at May 20, 2015 07:12 PM (n5fTN)
Who was himself a Democrat. So did you demand of Ronald Reagan that he explain himself before he was allowed to run for president?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2015 07:14 PM (Zu3d9)
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We're gonna have to limit the debates to 10 people.
Especially if fat asses like Fuckabee and Christie are among the participants.
(shit, they're like 6 candidates worth of stage space by themselves)
Especially if fat asses like Fuckabee and Christie are among the participants.
(shit, they're like 6 candidates worth of stage space by themselves)
Posted by: Fox News structural engineer at May 20, 2015 07:14 PM (dkfG0)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2015 07:15 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: se pa moron, lugging mattress and shag carpeting on back at May 20, 2015 07:15 PM (xQX/f)
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Reagan was once a Democrat.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2015 07:15 PM (FsuaD)
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There's still something ingrained in most Americans (those who think) that says you can't not vote. The GOP's Big Burndown and Recovery - if it would even matter at this point - can't happen until that changes.
Posted by: Doomed at May 20, 2015 07:16 PM (bGLSw)
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he supported Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, & Gore. I do give him a pass. a complete pass.
Posted by: X at May 20, 2015 07:16 PM (n5fTN)
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157 There's still something ingrained in most Americans (those who think) that says you can't not vote. The GOP's Big Burndown and Recovery - if it would even matter at this point - can't happen until that changes.
Posted by: Doomed
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This! GOP Secretaries of State need to quit vomiting out League of Women Voters propaganda about increasing turnout.
Posted by: Doomed
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This! GOP Secretaries of State need to quit vomiting out League of Women Voters propaganda about increasing turnout.
Posted by: Furious George at May 20, 2015 07:17 PM (UlJ3l)
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he was anti-Reagan. he needs to explain that.
Posted by: X at May 20, 2015 07:12 PM
Who was himself a Democrat. So did you demand of Ronald Reagan that he explain himself before he was allowed to run for president?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Speaking of rape ...
Posted by: X at May 20, 2015 07:12 PM
Who was himself a Democrat. So did you demand of Ronald Reagan that he explain himself before he was allowed to run for president?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Speaking of rape ...
Posted by: Emma Sulkowicz at May 20, 2015 07:17 PM (uctT+)
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Reagan did explain himself. rather well. Perry can't. because his switch was opportunistic as opposed to sincere.
Posted by: X at May 20, 2015 07:17 PM (n5fTN)
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As heated as we get promoting/defending our fave candidates, let's ponder for a moment this:
Hillary is not our candidate.
Carry on.
Hillary is not our candidate.
Carry on.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2015 07:18 PM (FsuaD)
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Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Scott Walker,Mike Huckabee, Marco Rubio,Rand Paul, Chris Christie,Ted Cruz, Donald Trump,John Kasich,
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Okay let's go through this list:
Jeb - of course. He's FNC's golden boy
Ben Carson - no chance of being nominated
Scott Walker - definitely should be there
Huckabuck - former employee of FNC
Marco Rubio - mmmmm, okay
Rand Paul - definitely
Christi - dead in the water
Cruz - absolutely
Trump - you've got to be kidding
Kasich - who?
Just sayin'. Some of these people don't belong on FNC's short list.
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Okay let's go through this list:
Jeb - of course. He's FNC's golden boy
Ben Carson - no chance of being nominated
Scott Walker - definitely should be there
Huckabuck - former employee of FNC
Marco Rubio - mmmmm, okay
Rand Paul - definitely
Christi - dead in the water
Cruz - absolutely
Trump - you've got to be kidding
Kasich - who?
Just sayin'. Some of these people don't belong on FNC's short list.
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 07:19 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Candy the Crowley at May 20, 2015 07:19 PM (P330y)
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England will never see another Churchill or Thatcher.
We will never see another Reagan.
Let's do what ever it takes to save what's left of this nation.
We will never see another Reagan.
Let's do what ever it takes to save what's left of this nation.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2015 07:19 PM (FsuaD)
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>>>Carly Fiorina, former HP executive with a great biography and, she says,
a thirst for Hillary Clinton's corrupt, murky blood. Well, she doesn't
put it that way, but she says she can take her on.<<<
My friendsh, we'd have nothing to fear with one of my biggest boosters in the White House.
a thirst for Hillary Clinton's corrupt, murky blood. Well, she doesn't
put it that way, but she says she can take her on.<<<
My friendsh, we'd have nothing to fear with one of my biggest boosters in the White House.
Posted by: Juan McCain at May 20, 2015 07:19 PM (dkfG0)
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"I come by my conservatism authentically, not by convenience. And I offer the American people a new direction."
Rick Perry
Rick Perry
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2015 07:19 PM (Zu3d9)
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Seinfeld is on. It's the "spongeworthy" episode, which is also the episode when Kramer refused to wear the stupid aids ribbon.
Seinfeld is on. It's the "spongeworthy" episode, which is also the episode when Kramer refused to wear the stupid aids ribbon.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 07:20 PM (6R/ns)
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look, I get it. he looks like a conservative from a distance, but to me he's a cigar store conservative.
Posted by: X at May 20, 2015 07:20 PM (n5fTN)
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Weasel Dog quieros Taco Bell.
Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2015 07:20 PM (e3bId)
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Kasich is also a former employee of Fox News.
Posted by: Buzzion at May 20, 2015 07:20 PM (z/Ubi)
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I'm tanned, rested, have lost six pounds, and ready to go!
Posted by: Candy the Crowley
Come on, Candy, the key to a successful liar is to keep it believable.
Posted by: Candy the Crowley
Come on, Candy, the key to a successful liar is to keep it believable.
Posted by: pep at May 20, 2015 07:20 PM (LAe3v)
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Just sayin'. Some of these people don't belong on FNC's short list.
Posted by: Soona
I should be there. Oh wait, I thought you said "short bus".
Posted by: Soona
I should be there. Oh wait, I thought you said "short bus".
Posted by: Joe Biden at May 20, 2015 07:20 PM (wjzWP)
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It's time to believe again in the potential of private enterprise set free from the shackles of over-bearing federal government.
Rick Perry
[my God! The man is a fcuking commie!]
Rick Perry
[my God! The man is a fcuking commie!]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2015 07:21 PM (Zu3d9)
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It really is Faux News.
Posted by: kansas at May 20, 2015 07:21 PM (vqsBK)
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Yeah, Perry is no Reagan. Just because he's from Texas doesn't mean he's conservative. As said earlier, Perry jumps in front of parades. He doesn't design them. Too much Statist DNA in his bones.
And Reagan, who wasn't perfect but was still damn fine, worked his philosophy for decades. It was his own.
And Reagan, who wasn't perfect but was still damn fine, worked his philosophy for decades. It was his own.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 20, 2015 07:21 PM (1CroS)
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when will Sarah Palin announce?
she'd make a great president
she'd make a great president
Posted by: navycopjoe at May 20, 2015 07:22 PM (6fWT8)
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So people still watch Fox news, then?
Posted by: Skookumchuk at May 20, 2015 07:22 PM (/WPPJ)
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Carly Fiorina seems able to play the role of Newt Gingrich in this cycle, namely sharp as a tack and willing to stick the shiv in. She's good for lots of viewers just based on that.
Posted by: pep at May 20, 2015 07:22 PM (LAe3v)
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I'm tanned, rested, have lost six pounds, and ready to go!
Posted by: Candy the Crowley
Underwent a wattlectomy, did we?
I'm tanned, rested, have lost six pounds, and ready to go!
Posted by: Candy the Crowley
Underwent a wattlectomy, did we?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at May 20, 2015 07:22 PM (VLTL9)
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Posted by: Candy the Crowley
Come on, Candy, the key to a successful liar is to keep it believable.
Posted by: pepAlright Pep, I've gained twelve pounds and make no excuse for this slightly depressing increased poundage. It was the stress and the tacos, but primarily the tacos.
Posted by: Candy the Crowley
Come on, Candy, the key to a successful liar is to keep it believable.
Posted by: pepAlright Pep, I've gained twelve pounds and make no excuse for this slightly depressing increased poundage. It was the stress and the tacos, but primarily the tacos.
Posted by: Candy the Crowley at May 20, 2015 07:22 PM (P330y)
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Well, Reagan is dead, so we have to have someone else run. Is it about who is most Reagan-like then? If so, is a new Reagan iteration marketable to 2015 voters? Serious question..
Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 07:24 PM (sdxPm)
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pep: "Carly Fiorina seems able to play the role of Newt Gingrich in this cycle, namely sharp as a tack and willing to stick the shiv in."
An invaluable resource at this stage of the game.
I expect Priebus to lobby for her immediate dismissal.
An invaluable resource at this stage of the game.
I expect Priebus to lobby for her immediate dismissal.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 20, 2015 07:24 PM (1CroS)
Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2015 07:24 PM (e3bId)
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It was the stress and the tacos, but primarily the tacos.
Posted by: Candy the Crowley
Ooooh, I love to eat tacos. Wait, what?
Posted by: Candy the Crowley
Ooooh, I love to eat tacos. Wait, what?
Posted by: Hillary at May 20, 2015 07:24 PM (LAe3v)
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So people still watch Fox news, then?
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I like all the legs in Outnumbered. And they have some good guests. Mike Baker today, and they've had Bolton on a couple of times. Dude has got a great mustache. And the last time he was on Outnumbered, he was making noises like he wanted to run. I would vote for his mustache. Maybe not for him, just the mustache.
So people still watch Fox news, then?
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I like all the legs in Outnumbered. And they have some good guests. Mike Baker today, and they've had Bolton on a couple of times. Dude has got a great mustache. And the last time he was on Outnumbered, he was making noises like he wanted to run. I would vote for his mustache. Maybe not for him, just the mustache.
Posted by: Old Blue at May 20, 2015 07:25 PM (9iR5/)
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Reagan is dead?
Reagan is dead?
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 07:25 PM (6R/ns)
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Posted by: Eromero at May 20, 2015 06:50 PM
Glad the surgery went good. bet wishes. Doesn't sound like it cost you your appetite!
Glad the surgery went good. bet wishes. Doesn't sound like it cost you your appetite!
Posted by: Farmer at May 20, 2015 07:25 PM (o/90i)
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Everyone excluded by Fox gets included in an online debate conducted via Skype by AoS. What do they have to lose at that point?
Posted by: Sharkey's Daddy at May 20, 2015 07:25 PM (uNRTW)
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I'm more like Reagan than all the other candidates, and the only thing missing is the dick. With your support America, I can pretend to have the Reagan dick and kick Hillary and the liberal Marxists ass.
I'm more like Reagan than all the other candidates, and the only thing missing is the dick. With your support America, I can pretend to have the Reagan dick and kick Hillary and the liberal Marxists ass.
Posted by: Carly Fiorina at May 20, 2015 07:26 PM (P330y)
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Could the excluded candidates have a blog podcast debate? Bypass the MSM entirely. I would listen to it and I bet a lot of other people would also.
Posted by: Lester at May 20, 2015 07:26 PM (2UPXV)
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Hey, I know how Rick Perry could explain his conservatism.
All he has to do is demonstrate conservative leadership for -say 15 years - as the chief executive of a US state ... it would have to be massive though - something the size of Texas.
All he has to do is demonstrate conservative leadership for -say 15 years - as the chief executive of a US state ... it would have to be massive though - something the size of Texas.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 20, 2015 07:26 PM (uctT+)
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Old Blue: "And the last time he was on Outnumbered, he was making noises like he wanted to run. I would vote for his mustache."
They've already undeclared. Alas, the Facial Hair ticket will have to wait.
They've already undeclared. Alas, the Facial Hair ticket will have to wait.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 20, 2015 07:26 PM (1CroS)
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FWIW the more faith you have in a politician, the more disappointed you will be when they betray that faith. Have a healthy mistrust of all politicians and, at worst, you'll just have your position reinforced. Who knows, you might be pleasantly surprised every now and then, but don't count on it.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at May 20, 2015 07:26 PM (wjzWP)
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10 is too many. 6 at most. Do them a week apart, every Tues or something, but it matters not our suggestions.
As for taxes, I don't want to raise or lower anybodies. I want flat for individuals, flat for corporations and done. Some will pay more, some will pay less. but it matters not our suggestions.
10 is too many. 6 at most. Do them a week apart, every Tues or something, but it matters not our suggestions.
As for taxes, I don't want to raise or lower anybodies. I want flat for individuals, flat for corporations and done. Some will pay more, some will pay less. but it matters not our suggestions.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 20, 2015 07:26 PM (ODxAs)
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Cher is 69 today..
Cher is 69 today..
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 07:27 PM (6R/ns)
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Jindal is the future of the GOP?
Posted by: righter at May 20, 2015 07:27 PM (78lQ6)
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I thought she was, like, 75.
I thought she was, like, 75.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 07:27 PM (6R/ns)
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Cher is dead to me.
Posted by: Sharkey's Daddy at May 20, 2015 07:27 PM (uNRTW)
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Yeah, but couldn't you just see the Presidential portrait? Just a giant silver mustache. Look, the mustache couldn't do any worse than any other president we've had in the last twenty years.
Posted by: Old Blue at May 20, 2015 07:28 PM (9iR5/)
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192 Hey, I know how Rick Perry could explain his conservatism
ask him to explain three ways he's a conservative
uhhhhhhhh
ask him to explain three ways he's a conservative
uhhhhhhhh
Posted by: navycopjoe at May 20, 2015 07:28 PM (6fWT8)
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 07:28 PM (6R/ns)
Posted by: Doctor Fish at May 20, 2015 07:28 PM (P330y)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2015 07:28 PM (FsuaD)
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191 Could the excluded candidates have a blog podcast debate? Bypass the MSM entirely. I would listen to it and I bet a lot of other people would also.
Posted by: Lester at May 20, 2015
Good idea. that way we wouldn't have to look at fucking Huckabee, Christie and Graham. That's a good thing.
191 Could the excluded candidates have a blog podcast debate? Bypass the MSM entirely. I would listen to it and I bet a lot of other people would also.
Posted by: Lester at May 20, 2015
Good idea. that way we wouldn't have to look at fucking Huckabee, Christie and Graham. That's a good thing.
Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 07:29 PM (sdxPm)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 20, 2015 07:29 PM (1CroS)
Posted by: Miss Lindsey Grahamnesty at May 20, 2015 07:29 PM (P330y)
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Well, Reagan is dead, so we have to have someone else run. Is it about who is most Reagan-like then? If so, is a new Reagan iteration marketable to 2015 voters? Serious question..
Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 07:24 PM (sdxPm)
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I think it'll come down to about six candidates in very short order. It's too bad. There's a lot of these people with their hat in the ring that I'd vote for. Except for three or four candidates, I think any of them would be exponentially better that Hildebeast, Warren, or O'Malley.
Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 07:24 PM (sdxPm)
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I think it'll come down to about six candidates in very short order. It's too bad. There's a lot of these people with their hat in the ring that I'd vote for. Except for three or four candidates, I think any of them would be exponentially better that Hildebeast, Warren, or O'Malley.
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 07:30 PM (/HX7u)
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194 FWIW the more faith you have in a politician, the more disappointed you will be when they betray that faith. Have a healthy mistrust of all politicians and, at worst, you'll just have your position reinforced. Who knows, you might be pleasantly surprised every now and then, but don't count on it.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at May 20, 2015 07:26 PM (wjzWP)
NIpSip hardest hit.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at May 20, 2015 07:26 PM (wjzWP)
NIpSip hardest hit.
Posted by: Golfman at May 20, 2015 07:30 PM (48QDY)
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Posted by: Sharkey's Daddy at May 20, 2015 07:25 PM
You beat me to it but there must be a way. We have to make the media understand they don't get to select who runs and gets to communicate with the public anymore. Why can't Fox have two debates? One after the other if the number is unmanageable. Two one and a half debates with each having half of the candidates would be workable.
You beat me to it but there must be a way. We have to make the media understand they don't get to select who runs and gets to communicate with the public anymore. Why can't Fox have two debates? One after the other if the number is unmanageable. Two one and a half debates with each having half of the candidates would be workable.
Posted by: Lester at May 20, 2015 07:30 PM (2UPXV)
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Idea.
Cruz and Walker, and a few others, come to an agreement that for the good of the Republic they'll run for President and VP, plus crucial cabinet...really put together a team of Avengers. They eschew jumping through ANY and ALL traditional media hoops, including Fox, by getting the $$$ backing (which would surely be made available) to buy ad time on TV, radio and internet. They nail the message down tight -- Democrats and RINOs (call 'em what they are) are WHY we are where we are -- and do not waver from it. Lay out simple goal and a path to get there. Take interviews as they come but be in command of them; do not simply respond but go on offense. Call media tapeworms what they are at every opportunity. In short, show true balls, NO patience with media, and a genuine love of country with no multiple layers of middlemen, filters and poll tweaks. Go direct to the people so the people can buy direct. Be honest, and don't be afraid to be angry and desperate because the rest of us are. Win or lose, let no one be able to mistake or misrepresent where you really, truly stand, and why.
Stupid idea?
Cruz and Walker, and a few others, come to an agreement that for the good of the Republic they'll run for President and VP, plus crucial cabinet...really put together a team of Avengers. They eschew jumping through ANY and ALL traditional media hoops, including Fox, by getting the $$$ backing (which would surely be made available) to buy ad time on TV, radio and internet. They nail the message down tight -- Democrats and RINOs (call 'em what they are) are WHY we are where we are -- and do not waver from it. Lay out simple goal and a path to get there. Take interviews as they come but be in command of them; do not simply respond but go on offense. Call media tapeworms what they are at every opportunity. In short, show true balls, NO patience with media, and a genuine love of country with no multiple layers of middlemen, filters and poll tweaks. Go direct to the people so the people can buy direct. Be honest, and don't be afraid to be angry and desperate because the rest of us are. Win or lose, let no one be able to mistake or misrepresent where you really, truly stand, and why.
Stupid idea?
Posted by: Doomed at May 20, 2015 07:30 PM (bGLSw)
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And Rick Perry is the only potential candidate with a military background.
That means everything to our son and all his vet buddies.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2015 06:54 PM
I thought I read that Miss Lindsey served? They don't respect him as much as Perry? Big shock.
That means everything to our son and all his vet buddies.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2015 06:54 PM
I thought I read that Miss Lindsey served? They don't respect him as much as Perry? Big shock.
Posted by: Farmer at May 20, 2015 07:31 PM (o/90i)
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Found in the radioactive rubble of San Francisco, circa 2024:
Trust not the politicians nor the actors for both have been taught to lie for their bread.
Trust not the politicians nor the actors for both have been taught to lie for their bread.
Posted by: Old Blue at May 20, 2015 07:31 PM (9iR5/)
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I get the complaint, but 10 people is still a really huge amount of people for a debate. At some point it's simply no longer a debate format.
It would be like allowing 100 people at the same time to play a game of basketball.
I still like my idea (that has zero chance) of only being allowed to participate in a debate with a binding contract that you can't get a book or TV deal for say 4 years. I think half the field would slink away and it would out the attention whores.
It would be like allowing 100 people at the same time to play a game of basketball.
I still like my idea (that has zero chance) of only being allowed to participate in a debate with a binding contract that you can't get a book or TV deal for say 4 years. I think half the field would slink away and it would out the attention whores.
Posted by: McAdams at May 20, 2015 07:31 PM (RHh6e)
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OT: Delta's new meme-intensive in-flight safety video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s48adiBUfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s48adiBUfc
Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 20, 2015 07:32 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at May 20, 2015 07:33 PM (OsWis)
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I still like my idea (that has zero chance) of only being allowed to participate in a debate with a binding contract that you can't get a book or TV deal for say 4 years. I think half the field would slink away and it would out the attention whores.
Posted by: McAdams at May 20, 2015 07:31 PM (RHh6e)
Mike Huckabee hardest hit.
Posted by: McAdams at May 20, 2015 07:31 PM (RHh6e)
Mike Huckabee hardest hit.
Posted by: Golfman at May 20, 2015 07:33 PM (48QDY)
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If only I could turn back time ...
Posted by: Cher at May 20, 2015 07:33 PM (lubY2)
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Stupid idea?
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Not really. But theory would be difficult to put into practice. All of them want to be number one.
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Not really. But theory would be difficult to put into practice. All of them want to be number one.
Posted by: Old Blue at May 20, 2015 07:34 PM (9iR5/)
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No matter who gets to go on stage, only Jeb and Romney will be allowed to speak for any length of time. Maybe Rubio.
Posted by: disgusting oratory at May 20, 2015 07:34 PM (WhfU/)
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With a name like Candy Crowley, how did she not get into porn?
Posted by: Weasel
It's like someone just threw up in my mouth -- and it wasn't me.
With a name like Candy Crowley, how did she not get into porn?
Posted by: Weasel
It's like someone just threw up in my mouth -- and it wasn't me.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 07:35 PM (kdS6q)
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deep down you guys do realize its going to be Jeb/Miss Lindsey right?
Posted by: navycopjoe at May 20, 2015 07:35 PM (6fWT8)
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Regarding tax increases, I guess I'm sort of in Ace's camp that I no longer believe in the idea that no tax ever gets raised. I used to be a big supporter of the Grover Norquist pledge, but no longer.
I think the 47% is a real problem and want to see them start paying taxes.
Also, I would be willing to reform entitlements for a tax increase on the wealthy. It would of course come down to if the deal really had teeth on the spending side.
I think the 47% is a real problem and want to see them start paying taxes.
Also, I would be willing to reform entitlements for a tax increase on the wealthy. It would of course come down to if the deal really had teeth on the spending side.
Posted by: McAdams at May 20, 2015 07:36 PM (RHh6e)
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Rent as large a venue as you can get the money for.
Invite everyone to show up. Limit cameras to an independent for the Nets to tap off of.
Invite any candidate to appear.
Hold "debate" discussion till everyone gets fed up and leaves.
No bathroom breaks. You leave the venue or leave the stage; you're out. (carly gets two because female bladder)
Use Hell's Angels for stage security.
Invite everyone to show up. Limit cameras to an independent for the Nets to tap off of.
Invite any candidate to appear.
Hold "debate" discussion till everyone gets fed up and leaves.
No bathroom breaks. You leave the venue or leave the stage; you're out. (carly gets two because female bladder)
Use Hell's Angels for stage security.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 20, 2015 07:36 PM (zRby/)
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McAdams: "I still like my idea (that has zero chance) of only being allowed to participate in a debate with a binding contract that you can't get a book or TV deal for say 4 years. I think half the field would slink away and it would out the attention whores."
Interesting concept and once upon a time, possibly doable. But we're in a lawless culture now at certain levels of our socioeconomic ladder. Nation of men not laws and such. "Binding contract"? No such thing today. No one's getting themselves bound whether they sign or not.
Now, let's talk about more pleasant things... like ebola and face-sitting spiders.
Interesting concept and once upon a time, possibly doable. But we're in a lawless culture now at certain levels of our socioeconomic ladder. Nation of men not laws and such. "Binding contract"? No such thing today. No one's getting themselves bound whether they sign or not.
Now, let's talk about more pleasant things... like ebola and face-sitting spiders.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 20, 2015 07:36 PM (1CroS)
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This is an exceptional year in Republican politics, and conservative thinking, because virtually everything is up for grabs.
This is an extremely fluid time in American politics, at least on the wide-open right,...
Posted by: Ace at 06:38 PM
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I dont know about that, Ace. Conservatives and some Republicans may have reshuffled their priorities a bit, but I dont see that the candidates reflect that. Even the supposedly new blood out there, people like Paul or Rubio, could have run in 2008 or 2012, or had similar types running. And some in the field actually did run back then.
This is an extremely fluid time in American politics, at least on the wide-open right,...
Posted by: Ace at 06:38 PM
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I dont know about that, Ace. Conservatives and some Republicans may have reshuffled their priorities a bit, but I dont see that the candidates reflect that. Even the supposedly new blood out there, people like Paul or Rubio, could have run in 2008 or 2012, or had similar types running. And some in the field actually did run back then.
Posted by: Harley Quinn at May 20, 2015 07:36 PM (JTF3R)
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Since Republicans allow open primaries D's can cross over and help select the R nom. So Jeb is long shot but not impossible.
Since Republicans allow open primaries D's can cross over and help select the R nom. So Jeb is long shot but not impossible.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 07:37 PM (6R/ns)
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Fuck it. Let it burn.
Posted by: Xavier at May 20, 2015 07:37 PM (XT4sZ)
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222 deep down you guys do realize its going to be Jeb/Miss Lindsey right?
Posted by: navycopjoe at May 20, 2015 07:35 PM (6fWT
On the republican ticket.
The winners will be some variation of Sanders/Warren.
Posted by: navycopjoe at May 20, 2015 07:35 PM (6fWT
On the republican ticket.
The winners will be some variation of Sanders/Warren.
Posted by: Golfman at May 20, 2015 07:37 PM (48QDY)
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No one's interested in discussion except the public (and maybe not even them).
Everyone's interested in being the King/Queen makers.
The go to place to be heard and seen.
Fcuk Fox.
Everyone's interested in being the King/Queen makers.
The go to place to be heard and seen.
Fcuk Fox.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 20, 2015 07:38 PM (zRby/)
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Doomed: "Stupid idea?"
Good idea. Novel. Principled. Outside the box.
But Stupid Party. It's right there that the math all falls apart.
Good idea. Novel. Principled. Outside the box.
But Stupid Party. It's right there that the math all falls apart.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 20, 2015 07:38 PM (1CroS)
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"Conservative populism. Our corporate taxes don't
need to be raised, but let's go back to Eisenhower Administration rates
on the wealthiest--they all vote Democrat. Let's break up today's
monopolies--"charitable" foundations set up by the Bill Clintons and the
Warren Buffetts and the Bill Gateses of the country.
Posted by: Furious George at May 20, 2015 06:54 PM (UlJ3l)"
While we're at it lets go after the Ford Foundation and Rockefeller Foundation. Hell, we can probably get Obama on board to loot them for their endowments just to get his hands on their money.
need to be raised, but let's go back to Eisenhower Administration rates
on the wealthiest--they all vote Democrat. Let's break up today's
monopolies--"charitable" foundations set up by the Bill Clintons and the
Warren Buffetts and the Bill Gateses of the country.
Posted by: Furious George at May 20, 2015 06:54 PM (UlJ3l)"
While we're at it lets go after the Ford Foundation and Rockefeller Foundation. Hell, we can probably get Obama on board to loot them for their endowments just to get his hands on their money.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at May 20, 2015 07:38 PM (KDbAT)
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I still like my idea (that has zero chance) of only
being allowed to participate in a debate with a binding contract that
you can't get a book or TV deal for say 4 years. I think half the field
would slink away and it would out the attention whores.
Posted by: McAdams at May 20, 2015 07:31 PM (RHh6e)
Mike Huckabee hardest hit.
Posted by: Golfman
That's who started this and why so many are running.
Huckabee treated it like it was an audition for Hollywood and so now everyone wants to be the next Huckabee and make tens of millions being a political celebrity. All because he gave some "cute" answers at the debates.
being allowed to participate in a debate with a binding contract that
you can't get a book or TV deal for say 4 years. I think half the field
would slink away and it would out the attention whores.
Posted by: McAdams at May 20, 2015 07:31 PM (RHh6e)
Mike Huckabee hardest hit.
Posted by: Golfman
That's who started this and why so many are running.
Huckabee treated it like it was an audition for Hollywood and so now everyone wants to be the next Huckabee and make tens of millions being a political celebrity. All because he gave some "cute" answers at the debates.
Posted by: McAdams at May 20, 2015 07:39 PM (RHh6e)
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Use Hell's Angels for stage security.
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Yah, but the last time that got tried a guy got knifed. Oh, I see where you're going with that. Nevermind.
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Yah, but the last time that got tried a guy got knifed. Oh, I see where you're going with that. Nevermind.
Posted by: Old Blue at May 20, 2015 07:39 PM (9iR5/)
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Can we have Huck and Donald sit at the children's table for comic relief? And Christie with his little bib. He's so cute when he's eating.
Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2015 07:40 PM (ty633)
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Not an amazing Rand Paul fan, but he's certainly latched onto the idea that "Hey, C-SPAN's covering me."
All the R-Senators-For-President could probably "Debate" right in the middle of something like this Filibuster just by yielding back and forth.
All the R-Senators-For-President could probably "Debate" right in the middle of something like this Filibuster just by yielding back and forth.
Posted by: Alan at May 20, 2015 07:40 PM (uq4RW)
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Tinfoil gotta tinfoil. But come on.
Posted by: tinfoilbaby at May 20, 2015 07:41 PM (5Vvdr)
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Cher is 69 today..
I was hoping you meant that was her temperature.
I really don't like seeing 69 and Cher in the same sentence, thanks.
I was hoping you meant that was her temperature.
I really don't like seeing 69 and Cher in the same sentence, thanks.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at May 20, 2015 07:41 PM (sH832)
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Interesting concept and once upon a time, possibly
doable. But we're in a lawless culture now at certain levels of our
socioeconomic ladder. Nation of men not laws and such. "Binding
contract"? No such thing today. No one's getting themselves bound
whether they sign or not.
Now, let's talk about more pleasant things... like ebola and face-sitting spiders.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel
You could just make it a purely economic contract, all earnings in that period are forfeited, etc.
Would it hold up? Who knows, but it would scare away at least some of the clowns that are there for the wrong reasons.
doable. But we're in a lawless culture now at certain levels of our
socioeconomic ladder. Nation of men not laws and such. "Binding
contract"? No such thing today. No one's getting themselves bound
whether they sign or not.
Now, let's talk about more pleasant things... like ebola and face-sitting spiders.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel
You could just make it a purely economic contract, all earnings in that period are forfeited, etc.
Would it hold up? Who knows, but it would scare away at least some of the clowns that are there for the wrong reasons.
Posted by: McAdams at May 20, 2015 07:41 PM (RHh6e)
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>>Also, I would be willing to reform entitlements for a
tax increase on the wealthy. It would of course come down to if the
deal really had teeth on the spending side.
Posted by: McAdams
The top 10% of taxpayers already pay 68% of the taxes in this country. Just how much more would their "fair share" be?
tax increase on the wealthy. It would of course come down to if the
deal really had teeth on the spending side.
Posted by: McAdams
The top 10% of taxpayers already pay 68% of the taxes in this country. Just how much more would their "fair share" be?
Posted by: Aviator at May 20, 2015 07:41 PM (sQzB6)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 07:41 PM (kdS6q)
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I think the 47% is a real problem and want to see them start paying.
Posted by: McAdams at May 20, 2015 07:36 PM (RHh6e)
I pay federal excise tax when I put tires on my 24's, bitch.
Posted by: McAdams at May 20, 2015 07:36 PM (RHh6e)
I pay federal excise tax when I put tires on my 24's, bitch.
Posted by: Free Shit Soldier at May 20, 2015 07:42 PM (48QDY)
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>>I'm tanned, rested, have lost six pounds, and ready to go!
Posted by: Candy the Crowley
Don't worry, you'll find them.
Posted by: Candy the Crowley
Don't worry, you'll find them.
Posted by: Aviator at May 20, 2015 07:42 PM (sQzB6)
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84 Miss Lindsey.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 06:55 PM (kdS6q)
I don't consider a JAG as a military background.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 06:55 PM (kdS6q)
I don't consider a JAG as a military background.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2015 07:42 PM (GpgJl)
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Jane,
your son needs to check this out:
Range 15 - The Movie
A movie by vets for vets.
"This movie is so hardcore military it makes Hollywood wet itself and run home crying to mommy."
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-15-movie#/story
If you donate $150,000
"We'll all be on the verge of death, when BOOM, in comes YOU riding a white fucking horse and wielding a golden mini-gun. You save the day, deliver a poignant monologue, the horse kicks its legs high in the air, and you ride off, like the big dick playa that you are. Also, instead of Executive Producer, your credit will literally be "Big Dick Playa"
Ranger Up-Article 15 movie clears $325K funding goal
Army Times
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your son needs to check this out:
Range 15 - The Movie
A movie by vets for vets.
"This movie is so hardcore military it makes Hollywood wet itself and run home crying to mommy."
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-15-movie#/story
If you donate $150,000
"We'll all be on the verge of death, when BOOM, in comes YOU riding a white fucking horse and wielding a golden mini-gun. You save the day, deliver a poignant monologue, the horse kicks its legs high in the air, and you ride off, like the big dick playa that you are. Also, instead of Executive Producer, your credit will literally be "Big Dick Playa"
Ranger Up-Article 15 movie clears $325K funding goal
Army Times
https://tinyurl.com/kgnajrr
Posted by: SMFH at it all at May 20, 2015 07:42 PM (OsWis)
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"But Stupid Party. It's right there that the math all falls apart."
Exactly why they're to be not merely avoided and end-ran, but fingered as part of the problem. Perhaps the biggest part.
Again...balls. Do they have them big enough? A few of them, I think possibly. Cruz if no other.
And if they're truly principled, they can man up and take VP or a cabinet spot for the good of all.
...if...
Exactly why they're to be not merely avoided and end-ran, but fingered as part of the problem. Perhaps the biggest part.
Again...balls. Do they have them big enough? A few of them, I think possibly. Cruz if no other.
And if they're truly principled, they can man up and take VP or a cabinet spot for the good of all.
...if...
Posted by: Doomed at May 20, 2015 07:43 PM (bGLSw)
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I've been bad & dropping a comment here or there & not reading all or most of The Horde's mostly very entertaining comments.
I apologize.
But I'm in the middle of something & don't have time to read all comments.
I think Lindsey is running to take out conservatives, same with Huckabee, except he's vain enough to think he's a serious candidate. He doesn't have a job & has probably been kissing Iowa butts, like Santorum did last time, visiting all 99 counties or was it cities?
Santorum, seriously? No.
I apologize.
But I'm in the middle of something & don't have time to read all comments.
I think Lindsey is running to take out conservatives, same with Huckabee, except he's vain enough to think he's a serious candidate. He doesn't have a job & has probably been kissing Iowa butts, like Santorum did last time, visiting all 99 counties or was it cities?
Santorum, seriously? No.
Posted by: Carol at May 20, 2015 07:43 PM (sj3Ax)
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holy cats, you see this?
ABC hired that pervert Brit from CNN to host a stupid primetime game show.
holy cats, you see this?
ABC hired that pervert Brit from CNN to host a stupid primetime game show.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 07:44 PM (6R/ns)
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I'm tanned, rested, have lost six pounds, and ready to go!
Posted by: Candy the Crowley
Don't worry, you'll find them.
Posted by: Aviator at May 20, 2015 07:42 PM (sQzB6)
Look behind you Candy.
Posted by: Candy the Crowley
Don't worry, you'll find them.
Posted by: Aviator at May 20, 2015 07:42 PM (sQzB6)
Look behind you Candy.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 20, 2015 07:44 PM (zRby/)
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Question 1 for Ted Cruz:
WTF?! Handing out soccer balls and teddy bears to Los Illegals? WTF!?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 07:41 PM (kdS6q)
Cruz: "bla bla bla Christian bla bla bla"
-[APPLAUSE]-
WTF?! Handing out soccer balls and teddy bears to Los Illegals? WTF!?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 07:41 PM (kdS6q)
Cruz: "bla bla bla Christian bla bla bla"
-[APPLAUSE]-
Posted by: disgusting oratory at May 20, 2015 07:44 PM (WhfU/)
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"Always wanted your face smashed in by an MoH recipient? Now is your chance!"
Posted by: SMFH at it all at May 20, 2015 07:44 PM (OsWis)
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Not an amazing Rand Paul fan, but he's certainly latched onto the idea that "Hey, C-SPAN's covering me."
Posted by: Alan
Unfortunately, the best of the pack so far in a public speaking and fighting instinct sense, Fils de Paul and iCarley, aren't necessarily the best from a conservative policy perspective.
Pity.
Not an amazing Rand Paul fan, but he's certainly latched onto the idea that "Hey, C-SPAN's covering me."
Posted by: Alan
Unfortunately, the best of the pack so far in a public speaking and fighting instinct sense, Fils de Paul and iCarley, aren't necessarily the best from a conservative policy perspective.
Pity.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 07:46 PM (kdS6q)
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With a name like Candy Crowley, how did she not get into porn?
Posted by: Weasel
...............................
The farmer who owns her pasture is a religious man.
With a name like Candy Crowley, how did she not get into porn?
Posted by: Weasel
...............................
The farmer who owns her pasture is a religious man.
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 07:47 PM (wAQA5)
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You can't tell me that Fox doesn't work at least a bit with the GOP leadership.
Why even have this farce ? Just nominate Jeb and be done with it.
Why even have this farce ? Just nominate Jeb and be done with it.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2015 07:47 PM (FwR7v)
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Regarding tax increases, I guess I'm sort of in Ace's camp that I no longer believe in the idea that no tax ever gets raised. I used to be a big supporter of the Grover Norquist pledge, but no longer.I think the 47% is a real problem and want to see them start paying taxes.Also, I would be willing to reform entitlements for a tax increase on the wealthy. It would of course come down to if the deal really had teeth on the spending side.
Posted by: McAdams at May 20, 2015 07:36 PM (RHh6e)
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Wow. Just wow.
Except for the "make the 47% pay taxes also" the rest is nothing be leftist screed.
Posted by: McAdams at May 20, 2015 07:36 PM (RHh6e)
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Wow. Just wow.
Except for the "make the 47% pay taxes also" the rest is nothing be leftist screed.
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 07:48 PM (/HX7u)
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I'm tanned, rested, have lost six pounds, and ready to go!
Posted by: Candy the Crowley
................................
You can find George over at ABC
I'm tanned, rested, have lost six pounds, and ready to go!
Posted by: Candy the Crowley
................................
You can find George over at ABC
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 07:49 PM (wAQA5)
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I think Lindsey is running to take out conservatives, same with Huckabee, except he's vain enough to think he's a serious candidate.
Posted by: Carol at May 20, 2015 07:43 PM (sj3Ax)
I agree.
I forget: Was it Graham or Huckabee who stayed late in the 2008 race, until everyone else dropped out?
I just remember that by the time of the Pennsylvania primary in May, there were only three candidates left: McCain, Ron Paul, and the other one. McCain pretty much had the nomination sewed up by that point.
Guess who I voted for. And what the hell choice did I have?
I think Lindsey is running to take out conservatives, same with Huckabee, except he's vain enough to think he's a serious candidate.
Posted by: Carol at May 20, 2015 07:43 PM (sj3Ax)
I agree.
I forget: Was it Graham or Huckabee who stayed late in the 2008 race, until everyone else dropped out?
I just remember that by the time of the Pennsylvania primary in May, there were only three candidates left: McCain, Ron Paul, and the other one. McCain pretty much had the nomination sewed up by that point.
Guess who I voted for. And what the hell choice did I have?
Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2015 07:49 PM (sdi6R)
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Hey, I know how Rick Perry could explain his conservatism.
All he has to do is demonstrate conservative leadership for -say 15 years - as the chief executive of a US state ... it would have to be massive though - something the size of Texas.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 20, 2015 07:26 PM (uctT+)
POTD
All he has to do is demonstrate conservative leadership for -say 15 years - as the chief executive of a US state ... it would have to be massive though - something the size of Texas.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 20, 2015 07:26 PM (uctT+)
POTD
Posted by: dude guy at May 20, 2015 07:50 PM (q177U)
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WTF?! Handing out soccer balls and teddy bears to Los Illegals? WTF!?
Really. What they could really use is grappling hooks.
Really. What they could really use is grappling hooks.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 20, 2015 07:51 PM (8ZskC)
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like myself, actively want to increase taxes on the wealthy and corporations.... I'm tired of the Ruling Class fucking over the rest of the ... species
I don't get yelled at a lot when I propose this, either.
HERE LET ME.
Corporations don't pay taxes their customers do and Rich People can afford higher taxes and better tax dodgers. So I'm sympathetic but reject your solution.
I don't get yelled at a lot when I propose this, either.
HERE LET ME.
Corporations don't pay taxes their customers do and Rich People can afford higher taxes and better tax dodgers. So I'm sympathetic but reject your solution.
Posted by: DaveA at May 20, 2015 07:52 PM (DL2i+)
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disgusting oratory- You might want to look at his voting record before throwing teddy bears at him.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 20, 2015 07:53 PM (7nDbK)
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And it's not just that -- some ex-Republicans, like myself, actively want to increase taxes on the wealthy and corporations.
So you can sleep in?
So you can sleep in?
Posted by: Dan in Michigan at May 20, 2015 07:53 PM (2yD4G)
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Cage match - 3 survivors get to debate the girls.
Posted by: DaveA at May 20, 2015 07:53 PM (DL2i+)
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Something to keep in mind. See who Rove is praising then run the other way.
Posted by: Old Blue at May 20, 2015 07:54 PM (9iR5/)
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HERE LET ME.
Corporations don't pay taxes their customers do and Rich People can afford higher taxes and better tax dodgers. So I'm sympathetic but reject your solution.
Posted by: DaveA
Depends on the business, bra'.
Corporations don't pay taxes their customers do and Rich People can afford higher taxes and better tax dodgers. So I'm sympathetic but reject your solution.
Posted by: DaveA
Depends on the business, bra'.
Posted by: Apple, GE, etc at May 20, 2015 07:56 PM (uctT+)
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Would it be a bad idea to make it a contest like The Voice or Dancing with the Stars, but which instead would highlight conservative ideas?
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 20, 2015 07:56 PM (J0IP0)
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I pay more in taxes than...never mind.
Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at May 20, 2015 07:57 PM (Dwehj)
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Here's what's gonna happen: The Republican who says repeatedly that s/he's the one who can "work with" Democrats will be the nom.
Here's what's gonna happen: The Republican who says repeatedly that s/he's the one who can "work with" Democrats will be the nom.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 07:57 PM (6R/ns)
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If you want more people to pay taxes you don't need to raise rates.
Just get rid of all the credits and deductions.
Sure, everyone here is fine eliminating the EIC.
I suspect eliminating the child tax credit, home mortgage interest deduction and college education credits will go over big in the suburbs.
Just get rid of all the credits and deductions.
Sure, everyone here is fine eliminating the EIC.
I suspect eliminating the child tax credit, home mortgage interest deduction and college education credits will go over big in the suburbs.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at May 20, 2015 07:57 PM (/HC6x)
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nood
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2015 07:58 PM (GpgJl)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 20, 2015 07:58 PM (ODxAs)
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The top 10% of taxpayers already pay 68% of the taxes in this country. Just how much more would their "fair share" be?
Posted by: Aviator
It's not a matter of "fair share", I don't think they "owe" more taxes, I'm just saying I'm willing to make that exchange.
The Simpson-Bowles had $10 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax increases. I know the devil is in the details, but assuming it was true, I would make that trade.
It's also much easier later on to lower or reform taxes than it is entitlements.
The sticking point has always been the tax increases always come but the spending cuts don't. that's why it would need to be real entitelment reforms with say triggers to keep everyone honest.
My ideal would be one flat tax rate, from $1 to infinity, whether its capital gains or a wage.
Posted by: Aviator
It's not a matter of "fair share", I don't think they "owe" more taxes, I'm just saying I'm willing to make that exchange.
The Simpson-Bowles had $10 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax increases. I know the devil is in the details, but assuming it was true, I would make that trade.
It's also much easier later on to lower or reform taxes than it is entitlements.
The sticking point has always been the tax increases always come but the spending cuts don't. that's why it would need to be real entitelment reforms with say triggers to keep everyone honest.
My ideal would be one flat tax rate, from $1 to infinity, whether its capital gains or a wage.
Posted by: McAdams at May 20, 2015 07:58 PM (RHh6e)
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260 Dave A,
While correct and I'll put my tax theory bonafides up against most folks some targeted breaks to formerly bi-partisan entities need revisited including publishing and Hollywood.
While correct and I'll put my tax theory bonafides up against most folks some targeted breaks to formerly bi-partisan entities need revisited including publishing and Hollywood.
Posted by: The Smiling Bandit@sven10077 at May 20, 2015 07:58 PM (/4AZU)
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Would it be a bad idea to make it a contest like The Voice or Dancing with the Stars, but which instead would highlight conservative ideas?
Dancing with Friedrich Hayek
Dancing with Friedrich Hayek
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 20, 2015 07:59 PM (8ZskC)
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And it's not just that -- some ex-Republicans, like myself, actively want to increase taxes on the wealthy and corporations.
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The US already has the highest tax rate in the industrialized West. That cost gets pushed down to consumers and makes us uncompetitive with other industrialized nations, Canada for instance with a 15% corporate tax rate, compared to our, what, 32%?
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The US already has the highest tax rate in the industrialized West. That cost gets pushed down to consumers and makes us uncompetitive with other industrialized nations, Canada for instance with a 15% corporate tax rate, compared to our, what, 32%?
Posted by: Old Blue at May 20, 2015 08:00 PM (9iR5/)
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If you want more people to pay taxes you don't need to raise rates. Just get rid of all the credits and deductions. Sure, everyone here is fine eliminating the EIC. I suspect eliminating the child tax credit, home mortgage interest deduction and college education credits will go over big in the suburbs.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at May 20, 2015 07:57 PM (/HC6x)
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Flat tax. Solves most of those pesky "crony" problems.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at May 20, 2015 07:57 PM (/HC6x)
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Flat tax. Solves most of those pesky "crony" problems.
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 08:00 PM (/HX7u)
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i hate fucking Huckabee.
Posted by: Grand Exalted Cyclops at May 20, 2015 08:01 PM (UtthR)
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The US already has the highest tax rate in the industrialized West. That cost gets pushed down to consumers and makes us uncompetitive with other industrialized nations, Canada for instance with a 15% corporate tax rate, compared to our, what, 32%?
Posted by: Old Blue at May 20, 2015 08:00 PM (9iR5/)
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35%. And, yes, I agree with you. If we cut taxes, we cut taxes for everyone.
Posted by: Old Blue at May 20, 2015 08:00 PM (9iR5/)
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35%. And, yes, I agree with you. If we cut taxes, we cut taxes for everyone.
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 08:01 PM (/HX7u)
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Dancing with Friedrich Hayek
I laughed, but get some video folks like John Stossel to explain the concept quickly and in an engaging manner, and then start asking the candidates about it.
Or have the candidates do each their own video explaining some conservative concept, as tryouts for the contest, and then get the winners on to debate that concept.
I laughed, but get some video folks like John Stossel to explain the concept quickly and in an engaging manner, and then start asking the candidates about it.
Or have the candidates do each their own video explaining some conservative concept, as tryouts for the contest, and then get the winners on to debate that concept.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 20, 2015 08:01 PM (J0IP0)
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, still gives you the institutional insider being acclaimed by checkbook problem.
easy fix: # of >1$ donors not total $
easy fix: # of >1$ donors not total $
Posted by: DaveA at May 20, 2015 08:01 PM (DL2i+)
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Some time ago, listening to limbaugh, he told a story of asking a very rich man how much money you had to have to make a difference in policy politics. He was told, if I remember correctly, that you need a net worth of $200M to get in the game.
I have come to the same conclusion as Ace. If you're going to use your wealth to buy the government, perhaps you can't be trusted with it (the wealth or the government). Perhaps once you have $200M or so, you should be taxed on wealth rather than income. Perhaps you should have a "come to Jesus" event to get your selfish head straight.
I have come to the same conclusion as Ace. If you're going to use your wealth to buy the government, perhaps you can't be trusted with it (the wealth or the government). Perhaps once you have $200M or so, you should be taxed on wealth rather than income. Perhaps you should have a "come to Jesus" event to get your selfish head straight.
Posted by: Dennis at May 20, 2015 08:02 PM (9hdA6)
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US already has the highest tax rate in the industrialized West. That cost gets pushed down to consumers
People simply do not understand that there is no such thing as a tax on corporations. The taxes are either (a) avoided--such as General Electric, as I recall, through increased corruption between corporations and politicians, (b) passed on as lower wages to employees, or (c) passed on as higher prices to consumers.
Maybe this needs to be on Dancing with Hayek.
People simply do not understand that there is no such thing as a tax on corporations. The taxes are either (a) avoided--such as General Electric, as I recall, through increased corruption between corporations and politicians, (b) passed on as lower wages to employees, or (c) passed on as higher prices to consumers.
Maybe this needs to be on Dancing with Hayek.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 20, 2015 08:03 PM (J0IP0)
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>>It's not a matter of "fair share", I don't think they "owe" more taxes, I'm just saying I'm willing to make that exchange.
Nice that you're "willing" with other people's money. Those top earners are the ones that do a lot of the investing that drives the economy.
Nice that you're "willing" with other people's money. Those top earners are the ones that do a lot of the investing that drives the economy.
Posted by: Aviator at May 20, 2015 08:06 PM (sQzB6)
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@ 277-- GE Cyclops-- Hate Huckabee all you want. He's still better than what we have.
Posted by: rld77 at May 20, 2015 08:12 PM (t/fKi)
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holy cats, you see this?
ABC hired that pervert Brit from CNN to host a stupid primetime game show.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 07:44 PM (6R/ns)
LOL! The same perv who was arrested in Central Park for having a rope wrapped around his weiner and his neck.
Yay, CNN!
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holy cats, you see this?
ABC hired that pervert Brit from CNN to host a stupid primetime game show.
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 20, 2015 07:44 PM (6R/ns)
LOL! The same perv who was arrested in Central Park for having a rope wrapped around his weiner and his neck.
Yay, CNN!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 20, 2015 08:12 PM (FsuaD)
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like myself, actively want to increase taxes on the wealthy and
corporations.... I'm tired of the Ruling Class fucking over the rest of
the ... species
I don't get yelled at a lot when I propose this, either.
HERE LET ME.
Corporations don't pay taxes their customers do and Rich People can
afford higher taxes and better tax dodgers. So I'm sympathetic but
reject your solution.
AND ME:
And the bankers could give a fuck what you think of their ruling class. How about we start charging you to store your money in their bank?
like myself, actively want to increase taxes on the wealthy and
corporations.... I'm tired of the Ruling Class fucking over the rest of
the ... species
I don't get yelled at a lot when I propose this, either.
HERE LET ME.
Corporations don't pay taxes their customers do and Rich People can
afford higher taxes and better tax dodgers. So I'm sympathetic but
reject your solution.
AND ME:
And the bankers could give a fuck what you think of their ruling class. How about we start charging you to store your money in their bank?
Posted by: exsanguine at May 20, 2015 08:14 PM (V0oj4)
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Taxes are simple. That's why they make them so complicated.
Find the average cost of existence (food, shelter, clothing, transport, medical care) nationwide for one person.
Find the average cost of same for one child (include cost of education between ages 5-1
Now using that as the base (if you have dependents you add their cost in with yours) subtract that amount from your gross income.
Tax that amount.
COE can be updated yearly or every two years.
Right now this is what is done in a couple of states. There's a base amount that you don't pay taxes on. Once you earn more than the base, you pay taxes on the overage.
Easy peasy. HR Block and 15,000 accountants would scream bloody murder but hey; omelettes and eggs.
This covers the elderly on fixed incomes (unless they have large income)
This covers the folks with dependents.
This makes everyone get taxed according to what they earn beyond the basic needs.
Oh and no corporate taxes IF they maintain their Headquarters AND the largest portion of their manufacturing plant in the US. Otherwise they're taxed on all the income they earn here.
Find the average cost of existence (food, shelter, clothing, transport, medical care) nationwide for one person.
Find the average cost of same for one child (include cost of education between ages 5-1
Now using that as the base (if you have dependents you add their cost in with yours) subtract that amount from your gross income.
Tax that amount.
COE can be updated yearly or every two years.
Right now this is what is done in a couple of states. There's a base amount that you don't pay taxes on. Once you earn more than the base, you pay taxes on the overage.
Easy peasy. HR Block and 15,000 accountants would scream bloody murder but hey; omelettes and eggs.
This covers the elderly on fixed incomes (unless they have large income)
This covers the folks with dependents.
This makes everyone get taxed according to what they earn beyond the basic needs.
Oh and no corporate taxes IF they maintain their Headquarters AND the largest portion of their manufacturing plant in the US. Otherwise they're taxed on all the income they earn here.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 20, 2015 08:14 PM (zRby/)
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Especially if fat asses like Fuckabee and Christie are among the participants.
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Posted by: DaveA at May 20, 2015 08:15 PM (DL2i+)
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Hate to break it to you Ace, but if you want high taxes on "the wealthy", then you are establishment Republican. Or the equivalent thereof, no matter what you label yourself.
Posted by: Guest of the Scotts at May 20, 2015 08:17 PM (jkztu)
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What if Ace of Spades HQ threw a debate?
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 20, 2015 08:20 PM (J0IP0)
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If you don't like Fox's decision, Ace, then do something about it:
Contact all candidates who were cut and organize another debate, either live or by web. You can get other sites and institutions involved to lend credibility if you want.
Make a parallel and COMPETING structure that takes the power away from Fox and the RNC, and gives it back to the people!
Contact all candidates who were cut and organize another debate, either live or by web. You can get other sites and institutions involved to lend credibility if you want.
Make a parallel and COMPETING structure that takes the power away from Fox and the RNC, and gives it back to the people!
Posted by: Matt_SE at May 20, 2015 08:30 PM (axNZt)
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290 What if Ace of Spades HQ threw a debate?
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 20, 2015 08:20 PM (J0IP0)
What, like the White Sox threw the World Series?
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 20, 2015 08:20 PM (J0IP0)
What, like the White Sox threw the World Series?
Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2015 08:35 PM (sdi6R)
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To hurt the rulers tax the rulers. Not the corporations. Eliminate their tax breaks. Eliminate their deductions. Eliminate their "charitable" deductions and organizations. Participate with the left in the war on wealth and privilege. Then maybe they will join in the fight against the government.
Posted by: Blah oh at May 20, 2015 08:44 PM (ZTv83)
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Let's do it American Idol style.
Anyone can join, however each would have to put up something like $5 million that would go to the winner.
If you want to vote you have to put $100 in the kitty for your secret code to vote over the phone.
Each week a randomly selected panel of six Registered Republicans develop a couple of questions to ask each candidate the same question about the particular topic of the evening.
Anyone can join, however each would have to put up something like $5 million that would go to the winner.
If you want to vote you have to put $100 in the kitty for your secret code to vote over the phone.
Each week a randomly selected panel of six Registered Republicans develop a couple of questions to ask each candidate the same question about the particular topic of the evening.
Posted by: Ken at May 20, 2015 08:45 PM (FQMPG)
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The Conservative party in Canada recently announced that they wouldn't be attending the debates organized by the big broadcasters up here. Instead, they put out an open call for proposals to host debates they would attend. So far they've agreed to 3.
Posted by: Tenacious D at May 20, 2015 08:48 PM (pUKRd)
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In 2012, 99.7% of Republican primary voters pulled the lever for someone not Perry.
One can believe in American being the land of second chances, but come on.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 06:58 PM (kdS6q)
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As you know, Perry withdrew in January.
I'm so old I remember when Mitt's qualification was that he had run and lost before.
You are really invested in anti-Perry. I'm a little confused as to why given that (1) he's apparently no threat, (2) he has THE best gubernatorial record which the GOP should claim, irrespective of the nominee, and (3) he is a much-improved candidate this time.
One can believe in American being the land of second chances, but come on.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 06:58 PM (kdS6q)
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As you know, Perry withdrew in January.
I'm so old I remember when Mitt's qualification was that he had run and lost before.
You are really invested in anti-Perry. I'm a little confused as to why given that (1) he's apparently no threat, (2) he has THE best gubernatorial record which the GOP should claim, irrespective of the nominee, and (3) he is a much-improved candidate this time.
Posted by: Y-not at May 20, 2015 08:51 PM (RWGcK)
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Also that would be it, no primary in the states. However, each vote would prorated based on your states' ratio in the last presidential election
Posted by: Ken at May 20, 2015 08:52 PM (FQMPG)
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Y-Not- I myself am invested in Perry. For me it's he's just unprincipled and not a free marketeer. I'm from and live in Texas. I'm not an expert on Texas politics, but Rick Perry is not the reason Texas is a relatively successful state. He may not have hurt it too bad, but he was particularly good.
The dude thinks it's right for the state to subsidize private companies to create jobs. How people can square that with him being the great small-government hope confuses me.
The dude thinks it's right for the state to subsidize private companies to create jobs. How people can square that with him being the great small-government hope confuses me.
Posted by: scott at May 20, 2015 09:15 PM (o2C6M)
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meant invested in "anti-perry"
Posted by: scott at May 20, 2015 09:15 PM (o2C6M)
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and he was "not" particulary good, I meant. I'm out!
Posted by: scott at May 20, 2015 09:16 PM (o2C6M)
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So, the 10 would be?
Jeb, Walker, Christie, Rubio, Rand, Cruz, Perry, Ben Carson, Kasich and Jindal... Maybe Martinez or Haley would get in the race, but I doubt it. Fiorina? She's been entertaining.
Jeb, Walker, Christie, Rubio, Rand, Cruz, Perry, Ben Carson, Kasich and Jindal... Maybe Martinez or Haley would get in the race, but I doubt it. Fiorina? She's been entertaining.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 20, 2015 09:20 PM (nCKKS)
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Letterman showed what a nasty dick he is when he made the joke about Palin's daughter and the baseball player. His excuse was that he thought he was joking about the older one. First of all, if he's half as intellectual as he seems to think he is, why didn't he know which daughter was which?
Second, since when is it funny for an extremely powerful, obscenely rich, sixty year old television personality to make a joke about about a single teen girl who screwed up and got pregnant? Not to mention the fact that he, oops, accidentally knocked up his girlfriend. When a man who is in the neighborhood of sixty years old can't use birth control effectively, he can hardly mock a kid.
Then, as if he wasn't already a big enough asshole, he gave a snotty, insincere apology. The first apology was so clearly insincere, that he had to give another one the next might.
The guy isn't just unfunny, he's an asshole. Besides which, like many conservatives, I'm fed up with entertainment industry people who act as if they're somehow morally superior to those greedy, rich republicans, when all the while they're getting mountains of money for themselves.
I would like one of the people to explain to me exactly how, in the way they live their lives, they are any different from rich republicans. Look at the neighborhoods they live in, the amount of luxury, the schools their kids attend, the people they associate with, the places they go to, the money they give to non-profits. How the hell are they any different from rich republicans, aside from the empty bullshit they spew?
Second, since when is it funny for an extremely powerful, obscenely rich, sixty year old television personality to make a joke about about a single teen girl who screwed up and got pregnant? Not to mention the fact that he, oops, accidentally knocked up his girlfriend. When a man who is in the neighborhood of sixty years old can't use birth control effectively, he can hardly mock a kid.
Then, as if he wasn't already a big enough asshole, he gave a snotty, insincere apology. The first apology was so clearly insincere, that he had to give another one the next might.
The guy isn't just unfunny, he's an asshole. Besides which, like many conservatives, I'm fed up with entertainment industry people who act as if they're somehow morally superior to those greedy, rich republicans, when all the while they're getting mountains of money for themselves.
I would like one of the people to explain to me exactly how, in the way they live their lives, they are any different from rich republicans. Look at the neighborhoods they live in, the amount of luxury, the schools their kids attend, the people they associate with, the places they go to, the money they give to non-profits. How the hell are they any different from rich republicans, aside from the empty bullshit they spew?
Posted by: nerdygirl at May 20, 2015 09:21 PM (UI0Cn)
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I don't know what I did, but this got into the wrong thread. I apologize.
Posted by: nerdygirl at May 20, 2015 09:23 PM (UI0Cn)
Posted by: petunia at May 20, 2015 09:45 PM (VoCyE)
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I see Perry kept the glasses. That's so funny, they really don't make him smart. He's still dumb as a door mat.
He was dumb in 2012 and icky.
He has no chance.
I'm glad they aren't wasting my time with those type of candidates.
He was dumb in 2012 and icky.
He has no chance.
I'm glad they aren't wasting my time with those type of candidates.
Posted by: petunia at May 20, 2015 09:54 PM (VoCyE)
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Ace: 49 >>> Taxes on corporations are always taxes on consumers, and even taking into consideration some of the extant ridiculous sweetheart deals and exemptions, our corporate taxes are among the highest in the world.
"i don't care, i'm tired of fighting for *their* agenda when they turn around and fight against mine.
They should be Democrats; I would like to invite them to that party." -- Ace.
Ace. Huh.
My, how very petulant of you.
Taxes on "the wealthy" are also taxes on S corps -- pass-through entities that are invariably small businesses, usually in manufacturing or some other capital equipment intensive field, where the retained earnings penalty eats you alive if you're a C corp.
So we, as a small business, scratch and claw and compete with China and manage to stay in business and even thrive, a little; and we end up paying a final marginal rate in the low 30s.
And you'd like to increase that. Because, petulance.
Go fuck yourself. You don't get yelled at a lot proposing this? Here's me, yelling at you. A lot.
"i don't care, i'm tired of fighting for *their* agenda when they turn around and fight against mine.
They should be Democrats; I would like to invite them to that party." -- Ace.
Ace. Huh.
My, how very petulant of you.
Taxes on "the wealthy" are also taxes on S corps -- pass-through entities that are invariably small businesses, usually in manufacturing or some other capital equipment intensive field, where the retained earnings penalty eats you alive if you're a C corp.
So we, as a small business, scratch and claw and compete with China and manage to stay in business and even thrive, a little; and we end up paying a final marginal rate in the low 30s.
And you'd like to increase that. Because, petulance.
Go fuck yourself. You don't get yelled at a lot proposing this? Here's me, yelling at you. A lot.
Posted by: Pastafarian at May 20, 2015 10:06 PM (pCf+a)
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Soothsayer had it right above at #22 - FOX News isn't the "get conservatives elected" business. They're selling soap to those who like a certain kind of soap. Just like Rush Limbaugh, really, though they have slightly different spins on their product.
I wonder if it's occurred to anyone else that FOX probably does better in ratings and ad revenue when there is *not* a Republican in the White House.
Also, FOX News is actually bigger than the Republican party now in terms of overall influence, isn't it?
I wonder if it's occurred to anyone else that FOX probably does better in ratings and ad revenue when there is *not* a Republican in the White House.
Also, FOX News is actually bigger than the Republican party now in terms of overall influence, isn't it?
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at May 20, 2015 10:17 PM (+as5V)
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If they let Trump into the debates, does that mean I have a shot, too?
Posted by: Bozo T. Clown at May 20, 2015 10:29 PM (mF5gt)
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You should forward this to someone with a bully pulpit that doesn't seem to give a shit. I am not smart like most of you, but if Sarah Palin started pushing this idea, it might get some traction.
Posted by: Dan at May 20, 2015 10:51 PM (fSlPo)
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The RNC and the leftist media (but I repeat myself) will decide on the *real* candidates for us peons.
Posted by: Sarcastic Homeschool Mom at May 20, 2015 10:59 PM (D6AEl)
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Basic new age voting knowledge, and demorats DO repeat themselves.
Hitlery will and is playing slick willys COMEBACK kid NOW. Republicans will flood the field and ensure serious Conservatives cannot win. Demorats will not do such, and serious contenders to hitlery will bow out, using the excuse they ran out of money, and hitlery will be left to run. The Republican nominee will quit running against the the demorat nominee and take on the tributes of Monica Lewinsky, BECAUSE HISTORY KEEPS REPEATING ITSELF, as long as fools love to keep it continueing. Voters bear much of this burden along with demorats and Republicans, for hell and desolation ruling America.
Hitlery will and is playing slick willys COMEBACK kid NOW. Republicans will flood the field and ensure serious Conservatives cannot win. Demorats will not do such, and serious contenders to hitlery will bow out, using the excuse they ran out of money, and hitlery will be left to run. The Republican nominee will quit running against the the demorat nominee and take on the tributes of Monica Lewinsky, BECAUSE HISTORY KEEPS REPEATING ITSELF, as long as fools love to keep it continueing. Voters bear much of this burden along with demorats and Republicans, for hell and desolation ruling America.
Posted by: ron n. at May 20, 2015 11:14 PM (YVQn/)
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CNN is going with the same basic format.
Fox, CNN, and the rest of you are just full of it.
10 is way too many. Assuming a two hour debate - at least 30 minutes too long for even most activists to pay close attention - 90 second answers, 2 minute opening and closing statements, that's no more than five questions altogether. In two hours. Assuming the moderators and panelists and the intro are all very brief.
And of the 50 answers, taking up 75 minutes, all that will matter is if someone commits a damaging gaffe. That's it.
If anyone thinks that's worth arguing about, have at it. Life is too short.
Fox, CNN, and the rest of you are just full of it.
10 is way too many. Assuming a two hour debate - at least 30 minutes too long for even most activists to pay close attention - 90 second answers, 2 minute opening and closing statements, that's no more than five questions altogether. In two hours. Assuming the moderators and panelists and the intro are all very brief.
And of the 50 answers, taking up 75 minutes, all that will matter is if someone commits a damaging gaffe. That's it.
If anyone thinks that's worth arguing about, have at it. Life is too short.
Posted by: Adjoran at May 20, 2015 11:20 PM (QIQ6j)
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Let's get of the x and use crowd funding and fund our own damn debate. I'm tired of this bullshit.
Posted by: Phukthem at May 21, 2015 11:04 AM (NsEJ4)
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I have a good way to eliminate a number of Repubics who wish to take place in the debates.
How about only allowing those who are "natural born Citizens" according to Article II, Section 1, paragraph 5 of the United States Constitution? I realize the Rule of Law and Constitution don't matter anymore, since we were "fundamentally transformed" into a neo-Marxist, totalitarian oligarchy by the illegitimate usurper Barry Soetoro. But we could eliminate Jindal, Rubio, and Cruz, none of whom are constitutionally eligible to be POTUS because they are NOT "natural born Citizens".
Don't believe me that it takes TWO CITIZEN PARENTS to even be eligible for POTUS and VPOTUS? Google the UNANIMOUS SCOTUS decision defining NBC - Minor v. Happersett. Oh, and the obvious (among many other disqualifications) ineligible for POTUS: Barry Soetoro (legal name never changed!) we all recognize as Barack Hussein Obama.
How about only allowing those who are "natural born Citizens" according to Article II, Section 1, paragraph 5 of the United States Constitution? I realize the Rule of Law and Constitution don't matter anymore, since we were "fundamentally transformed" into a neo-Marxist, totalitarian oligarchy by the illegitimate usurper Barry Soetoro. But we could eliminate Jindal, Rubio, and Cruz, none of whom are constitutionally eligible to be POTUS because they are NOT "natural born Citizens".
Don't believe me that it takes TWO CITIZEN PARENTS to even be eligible for POTUS and VPOTUS? Google the UNANIMOUS SCOTUS decision defining NBC - Minor v. Happersett. Oh, and the obvious (among many other disqualifications) ineligible for POTUS: Barry Soetoro (legal name never changed!) we all recognize as Barack Hussein Obama.
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