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#Science: Co-Author of Sociological Study on Attitudes Towards Homosexuality Retracts His Part of the Paper, After "Irregularities" In His Co-Author's Data Collection Are Exposed
I can't swear to it, but this is sounding like a Michael "Arms in America" Belleiles situation, with #Science taking a backseat to political agitation.
This Washington Post story (which I got from Hot Air, of course) makes this all sound much less interesting than I think it actually is. First, let's talk about the political agenda of the survey, which seems to be designed to push the idea that people's ideas about homosexuality can be fairly easily changed if a gay advocate just talks with them about it.The study purported to show the ease with which peoples' minds can be changed on the subject of same-sex marriage after short conversations, particularly with gay advocates. It was described as being based on survey research conducted in California after voters passed Proposition 8, the referendum that banned same-sex marriage in the state and that has since been struck down by the courts. ... The study attracted widespread attention in part because it seemed to fly in the face of conventional wisdom and scholarship about how people cling to their own points of view, sometimes regardless of what they read or hear to the contrary. "One conversation can change minds on same-sex marriage, study finds," was the headline in The Washington Post reporting the conclusions in December. "Gay political canvassers can soften the opinions of voters opposed to same-sex marriage by having a brief face-to-face discussion about the issue, researchers reported Thursday," a New York Times report said. "The findings could have implications for activists and issues across the political spectrum, experts said."The paper got linked and discussed all over the place. Now, one of the co-authors, Donald P. Green, is retracing the paper, and essentially accuses his co-author of... well, the Washington Post soft-plays it as "irregularities."
Green said two University of California-Berkeley graduate students who had attempted their own research "brought to my attention a series of irregularities that called into question the integrity of the data we present."The other author, Michael J. LaCour, says, in a Hillary-like way, that he looks forward to addressing these concerns. If you turn to the paper which discovered these "irregularities," you'll soon see the authors there aren't accusing LaCour of mere "irregularities." The way I read this, is that they're accusing him of outright fabrication. Here are some excerpts:
Summary We report a number of irregularities in the replication dataset posted for LaCour and Green (Science, When contact changes minds: An experiment on transmission of support for gay equality, 2014) that jointly suggest the dataset (LaCour 2014) was not collected as described. These irregularities include baseline outcomeI don't know exactly what they mean there, but I think -- think -- they're saying that they suspect the author took an already-available dataset and artificially added some "noise" to make it seem like a new or different study.* Here's why I think that:
data that is statistically indistinguishable from a national survey and over-time changes that are unusually small and indistinguishable from perfectly normally distributed noise. Other elements of the dataset are inconsistent with patterns typical in randomized experiments and survey responses and/or inconsistent with
the claimed design of the study. A straightforward procedure may generate these anomalies nearly exactly: for both studies reported in the paper, a random sample of the 2012 Cooperative Campaign Analysis Project (CCAP) form the baseline data and normally distributed noise are added to simulate follow-up waves.
Details omitted. Skipping ahed.
Timeline of Disclosure January - April, 2015. Broockman and Kalla were impressed by LaCour and Green (2014) and wanted to extend the article's methodological and substantive discoveries. We began to plan an extension. We sought to form our priors about several design parameters based on the patterns in the original data on which the paper was based, LaCour (2014). As we examined the study's data in planning our own studies, two features surprised us: voters' survey responses exhibit much higher test-retest reliabilities than we have observed in any other panel survey data, and the response and reinterview rates of the panel survey were significantly higher than we expected. We set aside our doubts about the study and awaited the launch of our pilot extension to see if we could manage the same parameters. LaCour and Green were both responsive to requests for advice about design details when queried. May 6, 2015. Broockman and Kalla launch a pilot of the extension study. May 15, 2015. Our initial questions about the dataset arose as follows. The response rate of the pilot study was notably lower than what LaCour and Green (2014) reported. Hoping we could harness the same procedures that produced the original study's high reported response rate, we attempt to contact the survey firm we believed had performed the original study and ask to speak to the staffer at the firm who we believed helped perform Study 1 in LaCour and Green (2014). The survey firm claimed they had no familiarity with the project and that they had never had an employee with the name of the staffer we were asking for. [!!! -- ace] The firm also denied having the capabilities to perform many aspects of the recruitment procedures described in LaCour and Green (2014).
.So there's your #Science for you. Whenever Science gets into bed with Politics, Science winds up taking it up the ass and then being kicked out the door at 3 am like a dirty smelly whore. * I think that the original "researcher," LaCour, claimed to have conducted a survey about attitudes about homosexuality in the Los Angeles area, then used that as his baseline for his subsequent see-if-talking-to-people-changes-their-mind test. However, what the authors of the paper pointing out these "irregularities" are saying, I think, is that LaCour actually conducted no Los Angeles area study to establish a baseline, but instead just took some already-existing national data and claimed it to be his Los Angeles study.
May 18-9, 2015. Green conveys to Aronow and Broockman that LaCour has been confronted and has confessed to falsely describing at least some of the details of the data collection. The authors of this report are not familiar with the details of these events.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at May 20, 2015 02:43 PM (o+SC1)
A salient point here is how quickly Green retracted the story when he found out that his co-author had bogused the data.
So it's partly a story about some people still having standards.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2015 02:44 PM (JtwS4)
"Whenever Science gets into bed with Politics, Science winds up taking it up the ass and then being kicked out the door at 3 am like a dirty whore."
Kind of like Mattress Girl.
Posted by: Benji Carver at May 20, 2015 02:44 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2015 02:47 PM (ty633)
Posted by: huerfano at May 20, 2015 02:47 PM (bynk/)
Posted by: Neil deGrasse Tyson at May 20, 2015 02:47 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Boots at May 20, 2015 02:47 PM (l9mF2)
Posted by: Roy at May 20, 2015 02:47 PM (VndSC)
Also noteworthy is Science's peer-review process, if it has one.
The Stanford team wanted to repeat and expand on the findings, they were sympathetic to the cause, and they smelled bullshit the minute they started looking at the data.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2015 02:48 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 02:49 PM (UUGLL)
Posted by: Roy at May 20, 2015 02:49 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 20, 2015 02:50 PM (1YLA+)
Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 02:50 PM (UUGLL)
Posted by: Science at May 20, 2015 02:51 PM (Ks4nX)
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Especially if Science is wearing one of those sexist shirts. Then, Science is just asking for it.
Posted by: Roy at May 20, 2015 02:51 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 02:51 PM (UUGLL)
Posted by: teej at May 20, 2015 02:51 PM (qyZxC)
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 20, 2015 02:51 PM (1YLA+)
So sciences name is Emma?
Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 02:51 PM (S+el1)
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at May 20, 2015 02:52 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 02:52 PM (UUGLL)
Posted by: maddogg at May 20, 2015 02:53 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at May 20, 2015 02:53 PM (nFdGS)
Posted by: Al-Gore at May 20, 2015 02:53 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 20, 2015 02:53 PM (1YLA+)
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 20, 2015 02:53 PM (1YLA+)
Posted by: Science! at May 20, 2015 02:53 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Michael Mann at May 20, 2015 02:53 PM (LISuA)
Science, meet Conservative Principles Senators Get Elected Saying.
Posted by: FDR's TV at May 20, 2015 02:53 PM (ne2fm)
Posted by: Dirty Smelly Whore at May 20, 2015 02:53 PM (NUqwG)
Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2015 02:54 PM (kivUY)
Come for the smart military blog, stay for the poetry.
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 20, 2015 02:55 PM (gAghB)
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 20, 2015 02:55 PM (1YLA+)
Posted by: maddogg at May 20, 2015 02:55 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 02:55 PM (UUGLL)
Posted by: Science! at May 20, 2015 02:55 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Politics at May 20, 2015 02:55 PM (Ks4nX)
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 20, 2015 02:51 PM (1YLA+)
A flea dip.
Posted by: Buzzion at May 20, 2015 02:55 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: wooga at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (nrca1)
26 -- Love Child
You say tomato, I say tomahto
Posted by: Zombie Louis Armstrong at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (i4eXO)
Shouldn't there be a bathhouse or parade involved if it's gay science?
Do I really need to read all the content to see if they ignored the "what do I have to say to get rid of this surveyor factor"?
Posted by: DaveA at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: brak at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (Tj+s6)
Posted by: fromabroad at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (rnV3B)
So its like someone wrote a paper that nobody knew about that ended up wrong.
Shrug.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (gAghB)
Posted by: Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (LISuA)
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That's actually true, generally when those canvassers threaten lawsuits and boycotts of your little pizzeria.
Posted by: @JohnTant at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (eytER)
Posted by: Science! at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (sdxPm)
Isn't it likely that after bring harassed by the SJW people just agree with them to make them go away
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 20, 2015 02:57 PM (1YLA+)
Posted by: Roy at May 20, 2015 02:57 PM (VndSC)
http://tinyurl.com/ll4l7y3
Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 02:57 PM (S+el1)
Posted by: mrp at May 20, 2015 02:57 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: maddogg at May 20, 2015 02:58 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 02:58 PM (nDPoN)
Whenever Science gets into bed with Politics, Science winds up taking it up the ass and then being kicked out the door at 3 am like a dirty smelly whore.
Nice payoff line.
Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2015 02:58 PM (ykfyK)
How much "consensus" science and common knowledge is false, based on junk that was never questioned or examined closely?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 02:58 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 20, 2015 02:58 PM (1YLA+)
Gay activist--"So what do you think about same-sex marriage?"
John Doe--" I think it's stupid and immoral and flies in the face of human nature."
Gay activist--" I have your tax returns from the last ten years. It seems there are many irregularities. Also, are you boinking the baby -sitter?"
John Doe--"Hey, what business is it of yours?"
Gay activist--" Oh I won't tell anyone. But I really think you really should reconsider your opposition to same-sex marriage..."
John Doe--" Who cares who marries who? Who am I to stand in the way of the happiness of others..."
Gay activist--"Thank-you! Have a nice day...."
(glances at clipboard and checks a box)
Posted by: JoeF. at May 20, 2015 02:59 PM (sbxl6)
That or didn't want to hurt someone's feelings. I signed a petition from a lesbian lady at the farmers market and listened to her talk about how she was so concerned about discrimination...It's just not worth being rude and getting into it with total strangers for most people.
Posted by: Lea at May 20, 2015 02:59 PM (lIU4e)
Then science stars lugging a mattress around.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 02:59 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Science! at May 20, 2015 02:59 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Buy A Malediction, Get an Imaginary Insult Half Off! at May 20, 2015 02:59 PM (hLRSq)
BizGrant - Government grant money software kit 2009 (currently unavailable)
Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 02:59 PM (UUGLL)
55 I would guess poo stabbing would lead to regularity and not irregularity.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 02:58 PM (nDPoN)
So, Emma Sulcowicz wears Depends as she lugs around the crib mattress?
Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 02:59 PM (sdxPm)
Posted by: Mr. Ed at May 20, 2015 02:59 PM (oKE6c)
"Earlier this year, Phil Jones, the head of CRU who just stepped down pending the Climategate investigation, claimed to have lost some of the world's oldest climate sensor data after first saying to the requesting scientist "Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?" Indeed, there is a consistent tendency among climate alarmist scientists to refuse to make their data or calculations public."
(american spectator, 12/04/09)
Posted by: mallfly at May 20, 2015 02:59 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: Ali Hosseini Khamenei at May 20, 2015 03:00 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 20, 2015 03:00 PM (LA7Cm)
The proper response to that is to walk away shaking your head sadly, not wait. She's being rude to you by forcing her trash on you in public. Spare her by cutting it off.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:00 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 20, 2015 03:00 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Freddy the freeloader at May 20, 2015 03:01 PM (FIvdS)
Politics lied
On a related note obama says global warming created isis and boko haram
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 20, 2015 03:01 PM (1YLA+)
was the headline in The Washington Post reporting the conclusions in
December.
Great. We'll start proselytizing against it forthwith.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:01 PM (oKE6c)
Let them go. Just don't let them come back.
Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 03:01 PM (UUGLL)
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (AC0lD)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Science! at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: letitbeme at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (4uDUj)
Posted by: Maxwell Scott: Shinbone Star at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (YFFpo)
#mattressscience
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Buy A Malediction, Get an Imaginary Insult Half Off! at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (vg8iE)
Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (S+el1)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (nDPoN)
Or, if they come back, prosecute them for crimes against humanity, terrorism, and war crimes.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:03 PM (39g3+)
See? Homosexual proselytizing is paying off!
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:03 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: EEOC at May 20, 2015 03:03 PM (LISuA)
http://www.mygenes.co.nz/download.htm
Posted by: Iblis at May 20, 2015 03:04 PM (9221z)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:04 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 20, 2015 03:04 PM (1YLA+)
Posted by: Freddy the freeloader (formerly Dennis) at May 20, 2015 03:04 PM (FIvdS)
Any reference to The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance is a good reference.
They polled homosexuals?
You misspelled... never mind
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:04 PM (39g3+)
Retractionwatch has been Drudge'd into oblivion, but here's the cache of their coverage:
http://tinyurl.com/khzn34p
Short version: Grad student and co-author Michael LaCour "confessed to falsely describing at least some of the details of the data collection" to lead author Green.
The survey firm claimed they had no
familiarity with the project and denied
having the capabilities to perform many aspects of the recruitment
procedures described in LaCour and Green (2014).
LaCour was claiming a giant test and retest number for the survey that was way beyond what you see in academic projects.
And LaCour had gotten a job at Princeton based on the media attention for his article, but that ain't gonna happen.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 03:04 PM (kdS6q)
the study was widely publicized among gay sources (I have the bad habit of reading yahoo news rolls while I am waiting for my mail to load...), not only it made appear that the opinions of conservatives are made of thin air and groundless, but it bolstered all the gay groupies into thinking that they were just one door knock away from conquering the planet.
Some studies are for the fanbase to radicalize it or for the in-between to make them jump on the bandwagon. This study does obviously absolutely nothing for the pesky conservatives.
Posted by: fromabroad at May 20, 2015 03:04 PM (rnV3B)
up the ass and then being kicked out the door at 3 am like a dirty
smelly whore."
What Politics needs is a better break-up strategy so Science doesn't feel cheap, used and then stalks Politics carrying a DNA soaked mattress around.
What is a sensitive, tender break-up song after anal?
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 20, 2015 03:04 PM (AC0lD)
Posted by: Bruce Jenner at May 20, 2015 03:05 PM (wAQA5)
Money well spent. It would be cheaper to advertise free air travel to Syria with the one condition you can not return to the US. Get enough to fill a charter and save even more.
Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 03:05 PM (UUGLL)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (nDPoN)
I'm sure they used plenty of lube and safe words.
Posted by: Iblis at May 20, 2015 03:05 PM (9221z)
Posted by: RioBravo at May 20, 2015 03:05 PM (NUqwG)
Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:05 PM (RJMhd)
I can't remember what this fallacy is called but you're exactly right. Its a known flaw with studies of this sort, and they try to factor it in. But basically anyone who'll put up with what you're trying to study is inclined to go along with your study.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:05 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 20, 2015 03:06 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at May 20, 2015 03:06 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Lauren at May 20, 2015 03:07 PM (A6xmT)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:00 PM (39g3+)
My grandmother was a southern lady. That would be entirely too rude for me.
I do know how to do the 'no thanks' and keep walking thing but for some reason I got drawn into a conversation...
Posted by: Lea at May 20, 2015 03:07 PM (lIU4e)
From a Buzzfeed article on this:
Yesterday, Vavreck asked LaCour for the contact information of the survey respondents. He didn't have it, and apparently confessed that he hadn't used any of the study's grant money to conduct any of the surveys.
He claimed to have hired staff to interview 11,000+ respondents and then follow up with them. That suggests a pretty sweet pile of grant money that didn't get spent that way.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2015 03:07 PM (JtwS4)
Didn't Obama also say global warming causes HIV, AIDS, hepatitis, piles, polyps, colon cancer, and swelling of the prostate?
Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2015 03:07 PM (ty633)
Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:07 PM (RJMhd)
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Anything by John Mayer. That also works during anal.
Posted by: Roy at May 20, 2015 03:07 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at May 20, 2015 03:07 PM (o+SC1)
It just happens to be that the advocate is screaming at them, insulting them, and calling them names and threatening them.
Rationality is not used to convert people to being pro-homosexual. Bumper sticker slogans and threats are.
Posted by: biscuits mahoney at May 20, 2015 03:08 PM (qhsVo)
It just happens to be that the advocate is screaming at them, insulting them, and calling them names and threatening them.
Rationality is not used to convert people to being pro-homosexual. Bumper sticker slogans and threats are.
Posted by: biscuits mahoney at May 20, 2015 03:08 PM (qhsVo)
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Perhaps scientists should carry around mattresses.
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 03:08 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at May 20, 2015 03:08 PM (+/C3g)
That's just how politics rolls, b*tch. Oh, you want cab fare? Nah, honey, you're doing the walk of shame, politics only spends money on you when it likes you. Once you stop giving politics what it wants, you're on your own.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at May 20, 2015 03:08 PM (Gosad)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:05 PM (39g3+)
Selection bias.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:08 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2015 03:08 PM (1jDaK)
Posted by: Gerry Sitwell
Sure, let them go.
Just be sure to tag them with GPS markers first.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 20, 2015 03:08 PM (uctT+)
Posted by: X at May 20, 2015 03:09 PM (n5fTN)
That's what I said!
Posted by: islamic asshole at May 20, 2015 03:09 PM (kivUY)
So Greene co-authored a study with LaCore and later decided LaCore can't substantiate the data in their co-study. Sounds like some sort of abnormal spat to me.
Posted by: RioBravo
Nah. Typical grad student/prof publication. Grad student project to build his CV. Prof consults, reviews and co-signs to aid publication, but doesn't do the scutwork.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 03:10 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 20, 2015 03:10 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Lauren at May 20, 2015 03:07 PM (A6xmT)
Oooh, I missed it. What did he say?
Posted by: Lea at May 20, 2015 03:10 PM (lIU4e)
Yes, but *I* single-handedly caused unemployment, bitchez!!
Posted by: ATMs at May 20, 2015 03:10 PM (1jDaK)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:10 PM (nDPoN)
Rock You Like A Hurricane, The Scorpions.
Or
Slide It In , by White Snake.
Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:11 PM (RJMhd)
So basically they only sampled the Castro District in San Fran.
Posted by: River Guide
....................................
Hope they wore condoms.
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 03:11 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Bruce But Not Jenner at May 20, 2015 03:11 PM (iQIUe)
He claimed to have hired staff to interview 11,000+ respondents and then follow up with them. That suggests a pretty sweet pile of grant money that didn't get spent that way.
...
i believe a survey for a target sample size of 800 can cost something like $40,0000.
So, for 11,000.... that's a spicy meatball!
Posted by: ace at May 20, 2015 03:12 PM (PA7DS)
My problem is not that these jack wagons wanted to go to Syria, it's they got PELL grants and tried to use they for it. When I can't qualify for 1 penny of financial aid for my daughter or my son when he was in college.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 03:13 PM (S+el1)
Rock You Like A Hurricane, The Scorpions.
Or
Slide It In , by White Snake.
Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:11 PM (RJMhd)
"Under My Thumb", and "Dosed".
Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 03:13 PM (sdxPm)
Got it.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 20, 2015 03:13 PM (oVJmc)
"The on-line survey data that Michael LaCour purported to collect could not be traced to any originating Qualtrics source files. He claimed that he deleted the source file accidentally.."
Hey, it happens.
Posted by: Hillary
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 03:14 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 03:14 PM (2cS/G)
127 Tender break up songs after anal?
............................
Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 03:14 PM (wAQA5)
Can't believe the hard sciences (AGW)
Can't believe the MSM.
Can't believe the politicians.
They say the first casualty of war is the truth.
We must be at war.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 20, 2015 03:15 PM (XmOA9)
Posted by: Marus T at May 20, 2015 03:15 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Dang at May 20, 2015 03:15 PM (XWo4d)
136
127 Tender break up songs after anal?
............................
Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 03:14 PM (wAQA5)
Brown-Eyed Girl".
Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 03:15 PM (sdxPm)
I can't remember what this fallacy is called but you're exactly right. Its a known flaw with studies of this sort, and they try to factor it in. But basically anyone who'll put up with what you're trying to study is inclined to go along with your study.
Self-selection bias? Or something like it.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at May 20, 2015 03:16 PM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:16 PM (RJMhd)
Answer: virtually never. Their data almost invariably support their initial hypothesis. In the physical (i.e., no shit) sciences, we get astonished ... all the time.
I once synthesized a compound that no one thought was capable of existence, and once it was made, everyone thought there must be some mistake. Once irrefutable proof was to hand, everyone was amazed, as though I'd walked into town with Sasquatch following behind me on a leash.
But social scientists ... never surprised. They must be much brighter than physical scientists.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:16 PM (oKE6c)
Hello...hello???
Posted by: tu3031 at May 20, 2015 03:16 PM (YFFpo)
Posted by: The Chicken at May 20, 2015 03:16 PM (nDPoN)
Grant money has been like an insect bite on my back ever since.
Foundations do the same thing, write up a proposal for a 'study' and will pay someone to do the 'research' that proves the premise in the proposal.
It's turtles all the way down.
Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 03:16 PM (UUGLL)
Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 03:16 PM (M97F+)
It really is Big News but the backstory is too complicated for LIVs, so it will never become Big News.
The short version is:
Left-wing "Scientist," posing as an actual scientist, absolutely fabricated a major study out of thin air, in order to promote a left-wing agenda.
the study said that homophobic bigots would immediately change their minds and become pro-gay in just five minutes if they are told am empathetic story by a gay person face to face.
Furthermore, it would have a ripple effect, and the converted former homophobes would then convert all their friends and relatives too.
Turns out, of course, that not only was the data faked -- there was no study conducted at all.
He just Made That Shit Up.
And guess what? Didn't matter. The media ate his story up like a chocolate sundae with a cherry on top and splashed it everywhere.
But to my mind, there's an even bigger story, when you take half a step back.
As I suspected all along, turns out that the "canvassers" coming to your door are NOT looking for like-minded people to donate (as they claim), and are NOT working off lists of previous donors -- but are instead there to cajole, indoctrination and bully you into accepting the narrative of their cause.
Because the faked "study" was supposed to have been conducted like this: Send out teams of people to go door-to-door to ask for donations to some pro-gay cause -- but actually purposely go to identified anti-gay households, and try to shame them into changing their minds.
A ha! I knew it. Telephone polls are the same -- they're not trying to gauge your reaction -- they're trying to change your mind while pretending to gauge your reaction.
Everything is a "push-poll," Everything. There are no innocent or unbiased political acts any more. None.
Posted by: zombie at May 20, 2015 03:16 PM (jBuUi)
This Washington Post story (which I got from Hot Air, of course)
*snort*
Ewok Pushback is funneh.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 20, 2015 03:16 PM (lpeQC)
I have to deal with this with my mom too. Look, when someone forces their attention on you in a rude fashion, then letting them do so is bad for them. Its rewarding their poor behavior, its giving them an opportunity to keep being rude. And further, its usually wasting their time because you're not inclined to agree or pay attention.
The rude thing is sitting and listening to them. Because you're helping them do wrong. You know why you cannot just politely break away? Because they are so rude they won't let you get a word in or respond properly. Walk away, saying "no thanks" and they can get to the next person.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:17 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:16 PM (RJMhd)
"Rag Doll", and "Back Door Man".
Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 03:17 PM (sdxPm)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:18 PM (nDPoN)
Posted by: Carol at May 20, 2015 03:18 PM (sj3Ax)
yep. nowadays "social" as qualifier means "not"
Posted by: X at May 20, 2015 03:18 PM (n5fTN)
136
127 Tender break up songs after anal?
............................
Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 03:14 PM (wAQA5)
Brown-Eyed Girl".
Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 03:15 PM (sdxPm)
Chocolate City
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 20, 2015 03:19 PM (lpeQC)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 20, 2015 03:15 PM (XmOA9)
You can believe the hard sciences, for the most part. AGW is an exception, but it's not really a hard science, it's an observational science that has become highly politicized.
Observational sciences generally have their problems because they often don't lend themselves to well-designed experiments, with positive and negative controls, since many of the relevant variables are outside of our control. So you get what you get when you look, and that's it.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:19 PM (oKE6c)
Bless their hearts...
Posted by: anon a mouse at May 20, 2015 03:19 PM (C9pBZ)
So homosexuality is immutable and don't you dare try to change anyone, but we're going to reprogram you h8rs.
*Attitudes* about homosexuality are highly mutable. I grew up in an era when of course you made fun of fags, now I wouldn't dream of it.
Not only do I believe the mutability of sexuality to be a stupid question -- a person's sexual expression is one of the most idiosynchratic aspects of her personality -- but because I have manners.
There are gay and bi Morons in Good Standing who just get casually slurred because no one thinks twice about them being people.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, now ha at May 20, 2015 03:19 PM (JtwS4)
if I find you been creepin'
round my back stair.
-- Gordon Lightfinger
Posted by: letitbeme at May 20, 2015 03:20 PM (4uDUj)
Posted by: X at May 20, 2015 03:18 PM (n5fTN)
Yep. Just as historic now means "not worth a shit."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:20 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Dang at May 20, 2015 03:20 PM (XWo4d)
Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 03:20 PM (M97F+)
Posted by: Marus T at May 20, 2015 03:21 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:21 PM (nDPoN)
Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 03:21 PM (S+el1)
Posted by: MTF at May 20, 2015 03:21 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 03:21 PM (wAQA5)
Green tells Retraction Watch:
Michael LaCour attended my summer workshop on experimental design in 2012 and proposed at that time a project that involved both canvassing and internet surveys... I later introduced him to Dave Fleischer* who heads up the LGBT canvassing operation in Los Angeles and they struck up a collaboration.
*http://www.leadership-lab.org/team/
Whoomp! There it is.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 03:22 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Hawkins1701 at May 20, 2015 03:22 PM (NhqyL)
Gateway Pundit has that Palmyra, Syria is under ISIS control.
Posted by: Carol at May 20, 2015 03:18 PM (sj3Ax)
That's a success, racist.
Posted by: The Left at May 20, 2015 03:22 PM (vgIRn)
Posted by: Marus T at May 20, 2015 03:23 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 03:23 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Forrest Gump at May 20, 2015 03:23 PM (/HX7u)
fabricated a major study out of thin air, in order to promote a
left-wing agenda.
First time for everything.
Posted by: Trofim Lysenko at May 20, 2015 03:24 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:24 PM (RJMhd)
The rude thing is sitting and listening to them. Because you're helping them do wrong. You know why you cannot just politely break away? Because they are so rude they won't let you get a word in or respond properly. Walk away, saying "no thanks" and they can get to the next person.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:17 PM (39g3+)
Walking away doesn't always work either, as anyone walking down the street in a SoCal farmer's market full of patchouli-stinking hippies waving xeroxed newsletters can attest. They often take "no thanks" as a challenge, and follow you down the street, berating you as a heartless beastly meanie.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 20, 2015 03:24 PM (lpeQC)
Everybody has got their own kinky fetishes, some men have this fetish to penetrate a male anus (or being penetrated anally by a male).
There wouldn't be any public problem if this wasn't elevated to the most glorified fetish of all time, worthy of federal subsidies, worthy of admiration, worthy of infinite praise.
Foot fetishers and fans of shibari should complain that their fetish is not treated with as much respect as homosexuality
Posted by: fromabroad at May 20, 2015 03:25 PM (rnV3B)
---
"Can a single conversation change minds on divisive social issues, such as same-sex marriage? A randomized placebo-controlled trial assessed whether gay (n=22) or straight (n=19) messengers were effective at encouraging voters (n=972) to support same-sex marriage and whether attitude change persisted and spread to others in voters social networks. The results, measured by an unrelated panel survey, show that both gay and straight canvassers produced large effects initially, but only gay canvassers effects persisted in 3 week, 6 week, and 9 month follow-ups. We also find strong evidence of within-household transmission of opinion change, but only in the wake of conversations with gay canvassers. Contact with gay canvassers further caused substantial change in the ratings of gay men and lesbians more generally. These large, persistent, and contagious effects were confirmed by a follow-up experiment. Contact with minorities coupled with discussion of issues pertinent to them is capable of producing a cascade of opinion change."
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??
Posted by: RioBravo at May 20, 2015 03:25 PM (NUqwG)
Restricting "science" to "knowledge gained from reproducible experiment" dates to the 17th century.
Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 03:25 PM (M97F+)
Posted by: Forrest Gump at May 20, 2015 03:23 PM (/HX7u)
And no one speaks from experience, everything is anecdotal...
Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 03:25 PM (sdxPm)
Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 03:25 PM (S+el1)
Seriously though, that is gonna be destroyed.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 20, 2015 03:26 PM (fWAjv)
Politico and Retraction watch (who broke this story) both report the survey company was Quatrics: a massive well respected company that contracts to do survey work.
Basically something this large would likely require qualtrics help to actually implement (put differently, I can build a simple qualtrics survey, but the only people who could building something things large and complex work for Qualtrics.)
When they called qualtrics they said "we never helped anyone do this. Also our software doesn't do [assessment X.]"
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 20, 2015 03:26 PM (U8W/7)
Why is it that real science is often wrong, yet fake science is always "settled"?
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 20, 2015 03:26 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: anon a mouse at May 20, 2015 03:27 PM (C9pBZ)
Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2015 03:27 PM (ty633)
Why is it that real science is often wrong, yet fake science is always "settled"?
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 20, 2015 03:26 PM (BZAd3)
Fake science is not falsifiable, of course, like Religion.
Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 03:28 PM (sdxPm)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 20, 2015 03:28 PM (nsn2M)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:30 PM (nDPoN)
Posted by: bergerbilder at May 20, 2015 03:30 PM (+jijM)
So, when ISIS is done with Syria and Iraq, who's Next? You know they're not going to stop. Jordan? Lebanon? Kuwait? KSA?
Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 03:30 PM (S+el1)
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 03:30 PM (8cSVB)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 20, 2015 03:30 PM (y/p2Y)
Posted by: Haiku Guy at May 20, 2015 03:30 PM (hmj8n)
If I type this sentence, I believe angels will swoop down and carry me off to a shack in the Scottish highlands that is filled with money and whiskey.
(pause)
Damn.
Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 03:30 PM (M97F+)
Not this canard again. Over and over we've seen people who "experimented" with homosexuality then gave it up, but there are always people who'll insist that its one way, absolute, never changes totally etched in stone, nobody can question it. Absurd. Some people are born that way, some try it out a while and stop. People are not computer programs. We're complex and varied and confusing. People are contradictory and confused.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:31 PM (39g3+)
http://tinyurl.com/mguo648
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 20, 2015 03:28 PM (nsn2M)
Can't wait for the pics of the screaming pali granny waving her arms in the air holding zionist death dildo's.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 20, 2015 03:31 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 03:30 PM (8cSVB)
Eh, the bridesmaid would probably be named Bill, so....
Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 03:31 PM (sdxPm)
elevated to the most glorified fetish of all time, worthy of federal
subsidies, worthy of admiration, worthy of infinite praise.
Posted by: fromabroad at May 20, 2015 03:25 PM (rnV3B)
Yeah, there would be a public problem, as male homosexuality is a public health problem; owing to their promiscuity, male homosexuals are a primary reservoir of STDs, and through bisexual men, continually reinoculate the normal population.
So big effing public problem, esthetics etc. notwithstanding.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:31 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 20, 2015 03:26 PM (fWAjv)
--------------------------------------
Yup. Better hurry up and get to Europe, especially England. For the same reason.
Posted by: Forrest Gump at May 20, 2015 03:32 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:32 PM (nDPoN)
Jobs! They need jobs!
Posted by: Marie Harf, Houri-in-Waiting at May 20, 2015 03:32 PM (M97F+)
The only way a gay person could change my mind about gay marriage is if they could guarantee me a hook up with a smoking hot bridesmaid.
Posted by: Cruzinator
and her lesbian girlfriend
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 03:32 PM (wAQA5)
"Foot fetishers and fans of shibari should complain that their fetish is not treated with as much respect as homosexuality."
Yeah, everyone laughs at me.
Posted by: Rex Ryan at May 20, 2015 03:32 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, now ha at May 20, 2015 03:19 PM (JtwS4)
And there are Catholic Morons who are slurred, and Jewish, and Baptist and Irish and Black and Chinese and.......
We are equal opportunity slurrers.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2015 03:32 PM (Zu3d9)
And everything is political now, absolutely everything.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 20, 2015 03:32 PM (XmOA9)
Posted by: fromabroad at May 20, 2015 03:32 PM (rnV3B)
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 03:32 PM (/HX7u)
Politico and Retraction watch (who broke this story) both report the survey company was Quatrics: a massive well respected company that contracts to do survey work.
Basically something this large would likely require qualtrics help to actually implement (put differently, I can build a simple qualtrics survey, but the only people who could building something things large and complex work for Qualtrics.)
When they called qualtrics they said "we never helped anyone do this. Also our software doesn't do [assessment X.]"
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet)
Exactly!
The study purportedly involved 11,000 people. That's an INSANELY HUGE survey sample.
The company that supposedly conducted the survey said, when asked about it for the first time, "WHAT???!??! First of all, we didn't do any such survey. Secondly, we couldn't do that even if asked -- too big."
The whole thing was faked, faked, faked.
Posted by: zombie at May 20, 2015 03:33 PM (jBuUi)
Even if you read the actual study and not the grossly distorted news accounts thereof.
Science, as a community dedicated to quality output, is a shambles, and has a far better reputation than it deserves.
The mistake is the cultural assumption that a scientist is somehow a better class of person than a used car salesman, combined with the tendency of people outside the field to simply accept any statement they agree with.
People in scientific fields talk about rigorous standards and testing, they just often don't do it.
Climate and medicine, as fields, are absolutely awash with this - "social science" is, I think, dominated by it.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 20, 2015 03:33 PM (bLnSU)
We are equal opportunity slurrers.
"Puritanical" is a pretty common insult, and kind of annoying for us Calvinists...
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2015 03:34 PM (a42f0)
Taint.
"Taint Drops. For when your brown eye is blue."
"Taint Scrub"
"Taint Mints".
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 20, 2015 03:34 PM (gAghB)
I'll say this much about the "one conversation changes minds" meme. I've been practicing a version of it for years.
When I take anti-gun noobs to the range.
Used to tell them that a single range trip won't change their mind, people don't just change their minds like flipping a switch, they're not going to become a gun nut and suddenly start voting GOP just because they touched a gun. But I argued that I simply wanted to ensure that when they develop an opinion on the physical experience of shooting a gun, it's based on personal experience and not hearsay. Got about half of them to show up with that argument.
After the smoke cleared and we were driving home, almost every one asked to go shooting again. Which of course, I knew would happen, because I'm a sneaky, deceitful bastard.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 20, 2015 03:34 PM (lpeQC)
I'm looking for the happy.
I can't see any.
Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 03:34 PM (M97F+)
Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 03:34 PM (2cS/G)
It's interesting that while the use of condoms and "safe sex" in general has risen, we still have pretty much the same rate of STDs.
Without that reservoir, my guess is that the background rate would have plummeted.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2015 03:34 PM (Zu3d9)
elevated to the most glorified fetish of all time, worthy of federal subsidies, worthy of admiration, worthy of infinite praise.
Yeah its pretty pathetic and ridiculous. But I asked a question on facebook yesterday that only gone one answer (a leftist mumbling about majorities oppressing). The question is this:
The social contract states that we all give up minor, non-critical liberties to live in a society that benefits us all greater than the liberties we've surrendered. So your right to free speech is limited in its expression by how much it will damage people, for example.
In such a society, at what point does the demands of a very small group of people cross the line? When is someone demanding too much of free expression of minor, non-critical liberty, in a way that begins to damage and erode the general liberty of the rest of society?
Because there has to be a limit, right? There has to be a point at which you say "well maybe you have a point, but in order to have a society, you have to give that up," right?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:35 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 03:36 PM (wAQA5)
People are not computer programs. We're complex and varied and confusing. People are contradictory and confused.
That sounds like you're agreeing with me. I certainly agree with you on this.
I often find this Fitzgerald quote enlightening:
Begin with an individual, and before you know it you find that you have created a type; begin with a type, and you find that you have created--nothing. That is because we are all queer fish, queerer behind our faces and voices than we want any one to know or than we know ourselves
Posted by: Bandersnatch, now half gay at May 20, 2015 03:36 PM (JtwS4)
We are equal opportunity slurrers.
"Puritanical" is a pretty common insult, and kind of annoying for us Calvinists...
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2015 03:34 PM (a42f0)
It was foreordained, man. Nothing you can do.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2015 03:36 PM (mx5oN)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:37 PM (nDPoN)
it's just one example of leftist deceit and propaganda
the main thing now is to find out how many more studies like this have been faked
one is a blip, two is luck, but three is an emerging pattern...
Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 03:37 PM (M97F+)
Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2015 03:37 PM (MDgS8)
What difference, at this point, does it make?/1!?!1!1?!/!!???/1
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 20, 2015 03:38 PM (HSmrB)
I know this isn't what he meant by queer but I've never found myself wanting so much as a sip of penis.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2015 03:38 PM (mx5oN)
Qualtrics could have easily found 11k people. They survey for tons of the Fortune 500.
But this was supposedly a canvas, meaning a qualtrics panel won't work (since you have to go to the person.)
Also I don't think quatrics can do some of the things they're claiming beyond very manual entry (that is qualtrics can store anything, the question is how hard do you have to work to get the data in there.)
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 20, 2015 03:38 PM (U8W/7)
Posted by: Freddy the freeloader (formerly Dennis) at May 20, 2015 03:38 PM (FIvdS)
Yeah its something you just put up with because the ignorance about puritans is pretty much almost absolute. Its become a term to refer to prudish extremists who oppose all fun and creativity in their zealotry for an absolute purity, and that's nothing what the actual puritans were like. I mean, they were the only people who'd write love letters to their wives instead of their mistresses at the time. But its a huge uphill battle.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:38 PM (39g3+)
Four is enema action!
Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2015 03:38 PM (MDgS8)
Jordan and Lebanon. The object is to encircle Israel so the foot soldiers of allah can be trucked to Israel's borders by land convoy. No need for nukes, and the fallout that would result.
Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 03:38 PM (UUGLL)
And there are Catholic Morons who are slurred, and Jewish, and Baptist and Irish and Black and Chinese and.......
We are equal opportunity slurrers.
Well, the Joos generally bring it on themselves with all the anti-Semitism.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, now half gay at May 20, 2015 03:38 PM (JtwS4)
Why is it that real science is often wrong, yet fake science is always "settled"?
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 20, 2015 03:26 PM (BZAd3)
Exactly.
At one time, conservation of parity (simplistically, that in principle, there is no preferred direction, no fundamental difference between up and down, left and right, etc.) was part of the pantheon of fundamental principles underlying physics, on a par with conservation of energy and of angular momentum.
Comes 1956, two Chinese physicists at NBS (now NIST) found that 60-Co nuclei DO somehow know up from down, to everyone's astonishment. This led to the downfall of the conservation of parity, and a Nobel Prize (a real one) for these two guys.
Now NOTHING the leftists are pushing is anywhere near as settled science as the conservation of parity. Not even close.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:39 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 03:39 PM (2cS/G)
We are equal opportunity slurrers.
"Puritanical" is a pretty common insult, and kind of annoying for us Calvinists...
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2015 03:34 PM (a42f0)
It was foreordained, man. Nothing you can do.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2015 03:36 PM (mx5oN)
But because you're fun to watch, I'll let you think you're calling the shots. Hilarity ensues, up here... GOD
Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 03:39 PM (sdxPm)
up the ass and then being kicked out the door at 3 am like a dirty
smelly whore.</i>
Oh Snap!
Posted by: Faggy Fairy Pants at May 20, 2015 03:39 PM (giH6W)
Absolutely! You may not turn an anti-gun zealot into a wild-eyed pistol waver, but you can take the ignorant and show them a good time, and minds are changed, if only a little.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 20, 2015 03:39 PM (XmOA9)
for the first time in my life, I was being mindlessly generous. Even shibari has got a public problem since once in a while one person dies of asphyxia.
The gay mafia has been masterful in making everyone believe that they are fragile princesses waiting for a king in a shiny armour (the government, led by the gay groupies) that protects them because they are so sensitive beings and feel emotions more than anyone else.
I used to believe this crap when I was 13-14 and then I stopped when I have heard some documentaries on the Gay Liberation front's agenda and motives.
Most people tho are still under this mental conditioning that gays are damsels in distress who constantly need red cross aid to survive.
Media and Hollywood do not help.
Posted by: fromabroad at May 20, 2015 03:39 PM (rnV3B)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 20, 2015 03:39 PM (01cYD)
I'm looking for the happy.
I can't see any.Posted by: Feh.......................Oh, it will be nothing but happy happy happy in Gay Divorce Court.
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 03:39 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:39 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: anon a mouse at May 20, 2015 03:39 PM (C9pBZ)
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 03:40 PM (8cSVB)
The study purportedly involved 11,000 people. That's an INSANELY HUGE survey sample.
Posted by: zombie
And they were claiming a huge retest percentage, which is unheard of.
Which goes to the question of was the survey paid, which RW gets into. Paid surveys can get great response rates because monies, but LeCour said -- nope -- didn't use the funding for that.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 03:40 PM (kdS6q)
"There are gay and bi Morons in Good Standing who just get casually
slurred because no one thinks twice about them being people."
They can come sit over here with us Spinster Morons, who get formally slurred because we're unpeople. We've got gin.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 20, 2015 03:40 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 20, 2015 03:40 PM (gAghB)
Although some elitists would look down on these individuals, I believe society holds a special place for those who raise their asses in acceptance.
Let's try to be more sensitive to the different members of the whole who choose to serve in capacities they are uniquely suited to their talents.
Posted by: jwest at May 20, 2015 03:40 PM (9ZZd+)
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I look at it a bit simpler. What's happening in this day and age is the same thing that was happening in the dark-ages and medevial times with the church oppressing science. Except now, the rolls are reversed.
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 03:40 PM (/HX7u)
The "born this way" argument was always tactical. Homosexuality has always been seen as at least partially a choice, hence the radical feminist claim that lesbianism is some sort of political statement.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 20, 2015 03:41 PM (MW1Qb)
I keep it simple and hate EVERYONE, without regard to race, religion, ethnicity, sexual preference, politics, ice cream type, favorite color, etc.
{I hate you all}
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 20, 2015 03:41 PM (y/p2Y)
Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 03:41 PM (S+el1)
"safe sex" in general has risen, we still have pretty much the same rate
of STDs.
Without that reservoir, my guess is that the background rate would have plummeted.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2015 03:34 PM (Zu3d9)
Yep. Smallpox? Gone. Polio? Gone. Clap? Doing just fine, thanks for asking.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:41 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Feh, who can now die happy at May 20, 2015 03:41 PM (M97F+)
I confess that having her as a sister might be exceptionally challenging to my moral standards. Just having her as my friend's wife would make life difficult.
Some girls are too hot for their own good, or anyone else's for that matter.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:42 PM (39g3+)
day and age is the same thing that was happening in the dark-ages and
medevial times with the church oppressing science. Except now, the rolls
are reversed.
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 03:40 PM (/HX7u)
And the church never actually oppressed science. In fact, often times it was the strongest supporter of science.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 20, 2015 03:42 PM (MW1Qb)
I thought you all drank cheap Chardonnay.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2015 03:42 PM (mx5oN)
If Kate Upton was my sister I may could be convinced that incest is not an abnormal sexual desire.
Jennifer Connelly would make me cross that line.
Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2015 03:42 PM (MDgS8)
And this feels like something I've typed before, but if I made up a bunch of bullshit at my job and put it in the reports I generate, I'd be looking at prison time.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 20, 2015 03:42 PM (ZKzrr)
So, Baptists
Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 03:41 PM (S+el1)
(You left out slave owning). Ducks....
Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 03:42 PM (sdxPm)
Posted by: anon a mouse at May 20, 2015 03:43 PM (C9pBZ)
Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 03:43 PM (M97F+)
Keeping track of prejudices is SUCH a hassle... who's in, what's out, proper labels...
I keep it simple and hate EVERYONE, without regard to race, religion, ethnicity, sexual preference, politics, ice cream type, favorite color, etc.
{I hate you all}
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 20, 2015 03:41 PM (y/p2Y)
Ah yes. The Misanthrope's Mantra.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 20, 2015 03:43 PM (lpeQC)
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 03:43 PM (8cSVB)
meaningless results, and from the sheer absurdity of results coming from
openly biased sources, *and* from serious reviews done by serious
scientists of the quality of studies done over many years, pretty much
you're depending on blind luck if you're taking the results of
scientific studies at face value.
Even if you read the actual study and not the grossly distorted news accounts thereof.
Science, as a community dedicated to quality output, is a shambles, and has a far better reputation than it deserves.
The
mistake is the cultural assumption that a scientist is somehow a better
class of person than a used car salesman, combined with the tendency of
people outside the field to simply accept any statement they agree
with.
People in scientific fields talk about rigorous standards and testing, they just often don't do it.
Climate and medicine, as fields, are absolutely awash with this - "social science" is, I think, dominated by it.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 20, 2015 03:33 PM (bLnSU)
Absolutely. Consider the concept of "peer reviewed" journals that are the repository for all this so-called science these people are doing. If everyone is already predisposed to believing in an outcome, the game is double rigged. The study authors can make up whatever they want, the journals can then "review" it, and declare it genuine SCIENCE!
Who is to say it's not? Nobody, that's who. And certainly not you God-bothering Christianist homo-haters.
With every passing day, the movie Idiocracy looks more and more like a documentary of the future.
Posted by: GS 13/14 NSA Clerks and Secretaries at May 20, 2015 03:43 PM (TOk1P)
They can come sit over here with us Spinster Morons, who get formally slurred because we're unpeople. We've got gin.
Gin, you say? OK, I self-identify as bi for the duration of this thread.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, now half gay at May 20, 2015 03:44 PM (JtwS4)
People are not computer programs.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Actually Dave, I am a computer program.
I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it I can sing it for you.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 03:44 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 03:40 PM (8cSVB)
What's your mother look like?
Posted by: Robert Heinlein at May 20, 2015 03:44 PM (MW1Qb)
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 03:43 PM (8cSVB)
Not the way I play it!
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at May 20, 2015 03:44 PM (mx5oN)
Posted by: anon a mouse at May 20, 2015 03:44 PM (C9pBZ)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:44 PM (nDPoN)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:44 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at May 20, 2015 03:44 PM (AMUZ1)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 20, 2015 03:44 PM (01cYD)
Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2015 03:45 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 03:45 PM (wAQA5)
Jennifer Connelly would make me cross that line.
Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2015 03:42 PM (MDgS8
Holy hell, men! You do know that hot sisters have hot friends, right?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 20, 2015 03:46 PM (XmOA9)
Funny how the only thing the Middle East has of value is the ruins left by actual civilizations thousands of years ago.
And oil they can't get out of the ground by themselves.
Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2015 03:46 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: RioBravo at May 20, 2015 03:46 PM (NUqwG)
How 'bout us bitter confirmed batchelors? I gots me some tequila...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at May 20, 2015 03:46 PM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:46 PM (nDPoN)
The limit is whatever the left states as the limit. If the left states that to protect gays we must make churches illegal, then be it.
This is the problem of cutting a deadly deal with leftists, they do not negotiate, they never negotiate. So it is massively stupid to even sit down with them.
It is surprisingly heart warming that a country like Romania, keeps on rejecting even civil partnership unions and even rectified the constitution to write that marriage is between man and woman (in 2009).
And it is not because they are strong believers, they are children of communism.
Posted by: fromabroad at May 20, 2015 03:47 PM (rnV3B)
One reason for this is simply time. Everybody wants everything right now. Who wants to take the time to fact-check or try to duplicate results when it takes time you could be spending on your own research, which is the only thing that's rewarded?
Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 03:47 PM (M97F+)
"There are gay and bi Morons in Good Standing who just get casually
slurred because no one thinks twice about them being people."
They can come sit over here with us Spinster Morons, who get formally slurred because we're unpeople. We've got gin.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 20, 2015 03:40 PM (ZKzrr)
Ooh! Ooh! Can I join the get-slurred party?
Posted by: A Poor Moron at May 20, 2015 03:47 PM (vgIRn)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:47 PM (oKE6c)
Wouldn't it make sense to aim below the Hotness Apex in those situations to optimize your chances?
Or so I'm told.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at May 20, 2015 03:47 PM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: gdonovan at May 20, 2015 03:47 PM (Ipxoj)
Not as an organization, no. Some powerful members of the church sometimes had a problem with some scientific efforts but it was never a theological or official stance. Christians tend to embrace science (and the biggest names in science such as Pasteur and Newton were Christians) because we're so confident we're right that eventually science will agree with us.
Jennifer Connelly would make me cross that line.
Maybe circa Hot Spot or Career Opportunities. She has done unpleasant things to her face over the years and has done so much HGH she looks like leather.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:48 PM (39g3+)
How 'bout us fubo fellas? I've got bourbon to share.
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 20, 2015 03:48 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: anon a mouse at May 20, 2015 03:48 PM (C9pBZ)
She went from distinctive to cookie-cutter sometime after A Beautiful Mind. A shame, really.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at May 20, 2015 03:48 PM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: anon a mouse at May 20, 2015 03:49 PM (C9pBZ)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 20, 2015 03:46 PM (XmOA9)
They can join in as well.
Posted by: Robert Heinlein at May 20, 2015 03:49 PM (MW1Qb)
Posted by: Science at May 20, 2015 03:49 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:49 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, now half gay at May 20, 2015 03:49 PM (JtwS4)
G-d, that's beautiful.
Science gets the "Emma" award then?
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at May 20, 2015 03:49 PM (nqiq9)
Back from the start of Fleet Week. Welcomed the Fleet into NYC Harbor.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 20, 2015 03:49 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (fWAjv)
Romania is strongly Orthodox, even through all the communist years. But mostly they're just common sense sorts that see how ridiculously idiotic the very idea of two dudes marrying is.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (nDPoN)
I am not a spinster yet I have discovered a delicious drink of
Gin
Soda Water (not tonic)
a slice of Cucumber
refreshing and very low cal and carb, summery
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (zOTsN)
Maybe circa Hot Spot or Career Opportunities. She has done unpleasant things to her face over the years and has done so much HGH she looks like leather.
Yeah I think she's got that body image thing going on.
Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (MDgS8)
The ideal vision of the scientific method, as the public is taught it, is not how science is actually done. Historians and philosophers of science have been pointing this out for something like fifty-odd years (since Thomas Kuhn at least), but it has been only in the last couple years that the general public has begun to realize this.
Notice that the humanities types (at least this humanity-type) are not calling for the abolition of science, just a bit of humility from scientists. I wish that the STEM-types around here would nice enough to acknowledge that there are things worth investigating outside of their fields.
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (a42f0)
Range 15 - The Movie.
https://tinyurl.com/m6lk3cq
Posted by: SMFH at it all at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (OsWis)
Posted by: Freddy the freeloader (formerly Dennis) at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (FIvdS)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Marie Harf, ISIS Employment Service Officer at May 20, 2015 03:51 PM (M97F+)
Or so I'm told.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at May 20, 2015 03:47 PM (DT3rQ)
The thoughts of a man, in a story about a teenager.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 20, 2015 03:51 PM (XmOA9)
Got to do that once. It was a hoot.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at May 20, 2015 03:51 PM (nqiq9)
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 03:52 PM (8cSVB)
Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 03:52 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:52 PM (zOTsN)
Sheesh.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:52 PM (oKE6c)
Along with hundreds of hookers
Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 03:53 PM (S+el1)
Posted by: Freddy the freeloader (formerly Dennis) at May 20, 2015 03:53 PM (FIvdS)
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 20, 2015 03:53 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:53 PM (zOTsN)
All ghey all the time. They really seemed to have kicked it into overdrive the last couple of yrs.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at May 20, 2015 03:54 PM (nqiq9)
Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 03:52 PM (2cS/G)
SEE!!!!
The Science is Settled!
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 20, 2015 03:54 PM (XmOA9)
Notice that the humanities types (at least this
humanity-type) are not calling for the abolition of science, just a bit
of humility from scientists. I wish that the STEM-types around here
would nice enough to acknowledge that there are things worth
investigating outside of their fields.
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (a42f0)
The truth is that the humanities are more important than scientific knowledge in the day to day lives of most Americans. The humanities, properly taught, help establish a common culture and identity. Lose that, and you devolve to tribalism.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 20, 2015 03:54 PM (MW1Qb)
the humanities dissolved in the 1970s and have been living off their service teaching load for decades
Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 03:54 PM (M97F+)
Progs have limited/retarded recogization of social cues. Silence does not equal acquiesence or approval. It FN means that the adult in the room has just realized that they're conversing with near idiots and wishes to remove themselves from the situation as quickly as possible.
Posted by: Keep Pushin Posie, He likes loves that shie at May 20, 2015 03:55 PM (vmAFq)
I have a Christian, western friend who was very much into the middle east about 20 years ago and she travelled the whole north Africa/ME.
Once she got to Palmira (ancient roman site) she said that the ruins were marvellous, better than anything you could see in Italy or Greece. Palmira was a city below sand that has been uncovered.
She arrived there on a van and she visited the ruins, at that times they were considered rubbish by the locals (Syrians or whatever but obviously muslims) and they were throwing trash and rubbish around it because they were not aware of what that was.
she told me that there were 2 roman columns, very well preserved and the kids put a rope around them and used it as a net to play a sort of volleyball.
They were completely ignorant of what it was and the value it had.
Shameful to think some of that stuff (assyrians and babilonians artifacts too) are in the hands of subhuman animals.
Irony is I had an art teacher at school during the first gulf war, that was rumoured to be gay. He clearly stated in the classroom that he did not care about dead muslims or americans but the only thing he cared were the birds covered in oil (due to the oil fields being blown up).
nowadays I feel to channel him and say that I care a lot more about the ancient ruins of Palmira or some Assyrian artefact than the homosexuals thrown off the towers.
Posted by: fromabroad at May 20, 2015 03:55 PM (rnV3B)
Walking Dead
who is gay on Walking Dead
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:52 PM (zOTsN)
They introduced a gay character last season. He was the scout for the community in Arlington.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2015 03:55 PM (mx5oN)
Posted by: Chet at May 20, 2015 03:55 PM (n5fTN)
The black lady with the zombie pets and the white lady who liked the black lady. I think she got killed by eye patch man. I don't really watch the show.
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 03:55 PM (8cSVB)
the classically liberal education is too Western, too Male, too hegemonic, too colonial
tis shame
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:55 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 20, 2015 03:55 PM (oVJmc)
everything right now. Who wants to take the time to fact-check or try to
duplicate results when it takes time you could be spending on your own
research, which is the only thing that's rewarded?
Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 03:47 PM (M97F+)
Yep, that's certainly one reason, and it's the main reason that the concept of peer review is so crucial. Not many people can understand the implications of results, if they are outside the field of expertise that is being considered. You only have enough time to read it, and hopefully disseminate the findings within the field. You don't have time to parse the data to figure out if the researchers were hedging or overstating or downright making stuff up. Either peer review takes care of that, or the whole concept collapses.
Which sadly, it has. Especially social "sciences."
Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2015 03:55 PM (TOk1P)
Improperly taught, you get blank-studies idiots.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at May 20, 2015 03:55 PM (DT3rQ)
https://tinyurl.com/m93gtt2
Josh Earnest says that this is more evidence strategy is working.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 20, 2015 03:56 PM (BZAd3)
Slave.
Posted by: professor payne at May 20, 2015 03:56 PM (kivUY)
enough to acknowledge that there are things worth investigating outside
of their fields.
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (a42f0)
Of course there are.* The problem is when crap - such as this study, and AGW - arrogates to itself the mantle of scientific research. Scientific method does not lend itself to lots of perfectly worthwhile studies.
*Personal note: my minor in college was in the humanities.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:56 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:56 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Freddy the freeloader (formerly Dennis) at May 20, 2015 03:56 PM (FIvdS)
She was pretty cute in the Rocketeer. Also, in that movie she happens to look like a girl I was pretty entranced with in college, so I am kind of biased...
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2015 03:56 PM (a42f0)
Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2015 03:57 PM (mx5oN)
that's what I get for not keeping up
who is gay on Dora the Explorer
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:56 PM (zOTsN)
The whole damn show is gay.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (mx5oN)
that's what I get for not keeping up
who is gay on Dora the Explorer
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:56 PM (zOTsN)
The monkey. All monkeys are gay.
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (8cSVB)
Case closed, Rethuglican warmongers, case closed!
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Buy A Malediction, Get an Imaginary Insult Half Off! at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (hLRSq)
who is gay on Walking Dead
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:52 PM (zOTsN)
They introduced a gay character last season. He was the scout for the community in Arlington.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2015 03:55 PM (mx5oN)
Should be noted: Eric and Aaron are in the original comics, and they are gay there too. Not characters the tv producers created.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Freddy the freeloader (formerly Dennis) at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (FIvdS)
Well its a mix, there's still some good science being done out there, but a lot of crap too. Part of the problem is that I think we're nudging up against the outside limits of what we can actually accomplish and know with what we understand right now. So it gets increasingly theoretical, fantastical, and imaginative since you simply can't get beyond a certain point yet. Maybe ever?
Another problem is that while some people seem to think that putting on that white lab coat turns you into an apolitical saint with absolute scrupulous integrity when it comes to your job... scientists are no different than any other work pool. Think about the people you work with. How many are really good at their job? How many work with real integrity and care for the quality? Scientists are no different.
And then there's the Brain Candy effect: where producing something really sexy, popular, and exciting gets you to the real party that's going on in the back room of the official party. The sort of celebrity level that gets you invited on the Daily Show and to testify in congress, and fly to all the really cool conferences. Getting there is worth cutting corners to more than a few people.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (RJMhd)
What could go wrong?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 20, 2015 03:59 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 20, 2015 03:59 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:59 PM (nDPoN)
They're falling right into our trap!
Posted by: Josh Earmesto at May 20, 2015 03:59 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: blaster at May 20, 2015 04:00 PM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 04:00 PM (zOTsN)
I haven't watched it much either, but they must at least have a few necrophiles on there, right?
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 04:00 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 20, 2015 04:00 PM (y/p2Y)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 04:00 PM (zOTsN)
I'd put it differently. What they do at their best is evoke in students the desire to be cultured people.
Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 04:01 PM (M97F+)
Posted by: gdonovan at May 20, 2015 03:47 PM (Ipxoj)
------------------------------------------
Agree. Every homo I've ever met is totally consumed by the fact that he's a homo.
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 04:01 PM (/HX7u)
And then there's the Brain Candy effect: where producing something really sexy, popular, and exciting gets you to the real party that's going on in the back room of the official party. The sort of celebrity level that gets you invited on the Daily Show and to testify in congress, and fly to all the really cool conferences. Getting there is worth cutting corners to more than a few people.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (39g3+)
Excellent comment, and right on target.
Also, to your last point, blowing the whistle on the real party is professional suicide. Who's going to be reviewing - anonymously - your papers and grant proposals, i.e., your source of oxygen? Why, the very people whose parade you just rained on.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 04:01 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 04:01 PM (nDPoN)
headquarters Wednesday after the area was swamped by hundreds of
protesters calling for pay of $15 an hour and a union.
Hitting up a company in a record slump?
BRILLIANT!
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 20, 2015 04:01 PM (oVJmc)
Don't forget the competition for scarce job slots, the "publish or perish" effect, the desire to return a report that the sponsor of the report will like, and so on.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Buy A Malediction, Get an Imaginary Insult Half Off! at May 20, 2015 04:02 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 20, 2015 04:03 PM (BZAd3)
The Cuckquean Haggard Queen.
Posted by: the littl shyning man at May 20, 2015 04:03 PM (U6f54)
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 20, 2015 03:59 PM (JO9+V)
The funny part is that when someone has the goods, they don't shut down debate. Quite the contrary: they'll bore your balls off with excruciating detail.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 04:03 PM (oKE6c)
What is "the character least likely to die in the series," Alex?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 04:03 PM (39g3+)
The monkey. All monkeys are gay.
Posted by: Cruzinator
...................................
So that's why they shave their butts.
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 04:03 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 04:03 PM (nDPoN)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 04:03 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2015 04:04 PM (kivUY)
*Personal note: my minor in college was in the humanities.
Not STEM-type, I am sure. The person I am mostly thinking about is Amishdude, but it does seem like there are an awful lot of folks among the horde that are quick to advocate defunding the humanities because they don't lead to jobs right away, etc. One person suggested getting rid of history majors because anybody can learn history from reading a book...
I don't usually take it very seriously, but it gets kind of old after awhile, that's all.
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2015 04:04 PM (a42f0)
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 04:01 PM (/HX7u)
My company just hired a guy who is a like a "name"
in our industry. I google him twitter comes up first (that's usually a bad sign).
Go to his profile it says "Software developer. [Industry]. Gay....."
Oooh boy.
Posted by: blaster at May 20, 2015 04:04 PM (2Ocf1)
who is gay on Walking Dead?
Posted by: ThunderB
Look for the zombie whose shirt and socks are color coordinated....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 04:04 PM (kdS6q)
of their fields. Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (a42f0)
Just because your an STEM type (I'm an engineer) doesn't mean you don't have interests outside your field. However, when some pseudo-scientific, ego-bloated numb nuts tries to piggyback his / her screwball theories on the back of principles that you have spent your life studying, and they obviously (and totally) hack the fuck out of it, then you are obligated to speak out and correct the misconceptions.
I, for one, love history and theology. Now that I'm older, I probably spend more time studying those subjects than I do my chosen profession.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at May 20, 2015 04:04 PM (nqiq9)
Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (RJMhd)
---------------------------------------
It's because they want to control all the phrate.
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 04:05 PM (/HX7u)
professional suicide. Who's going to be reviewing - anonymously - your
papers and grant proposals, i.e., your source of oxygen? Why, the very
people whose parade you just rained on.
Nicely mixed metaphors! +1
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 20, 2015 04:05 PM (JO9+V)
All crazy, all the time.
Rule #1........
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 20, 2015 04:05 PM (gAghB)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:56 PM (zOTsN)
The whole damn show is gay.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (mx5oN)
Meh.
The real question for Dora is....carpet or hardwood?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 20, 2015 04:05 PM (V+kmg)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 04:05 PM (nDPoN)
OTOH, you don't want a negative label to become a self-fulfilling prophesy by stigmatizing a person or group. No Negative Labels, yo!
Now, STFU, you knuckle-dragging, 12 tooth, Bible-thumping, Rethugglikkkan gun nuts.
Irony, or hypocrisy?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 20, 2015 04:05 PM (XmOA9)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 20, 2015 04:06 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 20, 2015 04:06 PM (y/p2Y)
Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2015 04:06 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 04:01 PM (nDPoN)
Holy cow, did you just call Laurie Holden "the older blonde?"
Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2015 04:07 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 04:07 PM (nDPoN)
Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 04:07 PM (2cS/G)
Hopes for blue-on-blue bloodbath in the offing...
http://tinyurl.com/kuld3l2
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 20, 2015 04:07 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: The Old Guy in Requiem for a Dream at May 20, 2015 04:08 PM (OD2ni)
Usually that means "I don't really know anything about it but I'm sure its right and these guys who know more say it is, so you're wrong, shut up."
Don't forget the competition for scarce job slots, the "publish or perish" effect, the desire to return a report that the sponsor of the report will like, and so on.
Yeah, that's definitely a major factor too. And like Jay Guevara noted, deviating from the party line gets you ruined and you lose your grants etc. In many, many ways, what is called science these days really is what was called religion in the middle ages.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 04:08 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: dr sheldon cooper at May 20, 2015 04:08 PM (kivUY)
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at May 20, 2015 04:09 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 04:09 PM (nDPoN)
Posted by: Saddam at May 20, 2015 04:10 PM (uwqu2)
So, are they going to really hurt HBO, which turns out hit pieces on rethuglickans (doubtful), or is she going to posture and help their ratings with tax payer funded advertising?
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 20, 2015 04:10 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 20, 2015 04:11 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 04:11 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: these things I wonder at May 20, 2015 04:11 PM (ZtFr+)
Posted by: fixerupper at May 20, 2015 04:12 PM (8XRCm)
I'm not bothered by scientists pointing out BS masquerading as science - quite the contrary. I'm talking about people in the STEM fields who dismiss non-STEM areas of investigation as useless simply because they are not science or math-based.
It tends to go along with the idea that education should be primarily utilitarian in nature - i.e., job training only.
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2015 04:12 PM (a42f0)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 04:12 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 04:12 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Eddie Baby at May 20, 2015 04:12 PM (PoTAq)
Posted by: Country Singer at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (8hctH)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (M97F+)
Anyone that spends 50+ grand in college treating it as a trade school deserves the debt and failure they get. College is not there to get you a job. Its there to get you to think and understand the world better, to increase your intellectual capacity and make you a better person, citizen, and leader. That can lead to a job, but that's not the goal, its a byproduct.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (39g3+)
This study was featured on This American Life a couple weeks ago. They actually had someone demonstrate how the process was supposed to work. They now have a retraction up with more details of how the study was supposedly conducted and how the falsification was discovered.
Posted by: chad at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (gic3/)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 04:09 PM (nDPoN)
45 sounds about right. She's smokin' hot is all I know. But yeah, they do seem to kill of their blondes on that show.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (nDPoN)
If geologists are the Kardashians of science, just what the hell are anthropologists? I'm thinking straight up hobos.
Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (ty633)
this report was brought to you be out friendly Capitol Hilk correspondent, who shall remain nameless
Posted by: The Barrel at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (V+kmg)
The chick from "Yes, Dear", Jean Kelly....Furthest I was playing Trivial Pursuit and drinking wine coolers in a tree fort.
Posted by: LincolnTf
If you would have instead said Jean Kelly, the curly hair teen girl from Uncle Buck, you'd have been deluged with requests for details.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (kdS6q)
Unfortunately, While Rand is in front of the cameras, the ninety gazzion functionaries in congress are on the phones, talking in the hallways, sending emails, sitting in committee hearings, closed door meetings, make deals.
Nothing is being stopped.
Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 04:14 PM (UUGLL)
Did yall know Rand Paul is doing a Patriot Act Fillibuster right now?
Posted by: ThunderB
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I hope he is logged onto AoS and reading these comments out loud one by one.
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 04:14 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 04:14 PM (zOTsN)
that dude is a femynyst?
Posted by: Chet at May 20, 2015 04:14 PM (n5fTN)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 20, 2015 04:14 PM (fWAjv)
Some federal employees had this as a part of a statistics course. Some idiot congressperson or media person or something heard about it and decided they were teaching feds to 'lie with statistics'. All employees were told to take the books home. Sigh.
Posted by: Gah! at May 20, 2015 04:15 PM (lIU4e)
We are the last.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 20, 2015 04:15 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 04:16 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 04:16 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: NASA and IPCC talking heads at May 20, 2015 04:16 PM (cCxiu)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 20, 2015 04:17 PM (V+kmg)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 20, 2015 04:17 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 04:17 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (ty633)
It cannot be said enough: Margaret Mead was a complete and utter fraud. And in a manner (and on a topic) not entirely unrelated to this post.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2015 04:17 PM (TOk1P)
>>>Can we insult geologists? They're the Kardashians of science.<<<
If geologists are the Kardashians of science, just what the hell are anthropologists? I'm thinking straight up hobos.
Posted by: Fritz
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Here (civil engineering firm) wecall the geotechs Dirt People.
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 04:17 PM (wAQA5)
Its only in the last 50 years or so that Egypt has started to realize that they've been sitting on some of the most awesome, jaw-dropping historical and cultural artifacts in the history of mankind after living in that area for over three thousand years ignoring the big statues around them. Not sure how on earth people do that. Grow up not wondering, not being amazed and wanting to know more.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 04:18 PM (39g3+)
Israel Ordered to Pay Iran Over 1989 Legal Battle
Swiss court orders Israel to pay for 1968 oil transport contract Iran cancelled after Iranian Revolution. Israel: we're not paying anything.
Or in hebrew that would be "go pound sand"
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 20, 2015 04:18 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 04:18 PM (nDPoN)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at May 20, 2015 04:18 PM (lNSdJ)
Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 04:19 PM (M97F+)
I think a Walker/Cruz ticket would be interesting, but hard to see how two White Hispanics can beat a pair of Lesbian Vaginas.
Posted by: dude guy at May 20, 2015 04:19 PM (q177U)
You know what else is a crime?
Bad socking.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 20, 2015 04:19 PM (V+kmg)
She wasn't really rude, I just didn't agree with her. People canvass for signatures for all sorts of things in all sorts of places. I just somehow got into a conversation this time.
My point was that people might nod and smile face to face to be polite that is not their true opinion when they get down to voting.
Posted by: Lea at May 20, 2015 04:20 PM (lIU4e)
Heh, reminds me of that funny video "It's not porn, it's HBO." Are they really so shocked an HBO show - one that's been brimming w/sex and violence for 4 years - had a girl raped?
Rome?
Sopranos?
Bueller?
Posted by: ATMs at May 20, 2015 04:20 PM (c4ru+)
Posted by: dr sheldon cooper at May 20, 2015 04:21 PM (kivUY)
Egypt is an amazing place for a history buff. I was blessed to live in Alexandria for almost a year before the revolution.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 04:21 PM (S+el1)
Did yall know Rand Paul is doing a Patriot Act Fillibuster right now?
Posted by: ThunderB
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I hope he is logged onto AoS and reading these comments out loud one by one.
That would probably be the first time that "fuck you up the ass with a pineapple sideways" was read into the congressional record.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, now half gay at May 20, 2015 04:21 PM (JtwS4)
National Lampoon had an issue in the early 80s about French Art films and how they aren't porn despite being.. you know, obviously porn. It was incredibly graphic for me as a young teenager, at the time, and hilarious.
"She's masturbating with a feather!"
"No, its art expressing the emptiness of life!"
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 04:21 PM (39g3+)
Someone up thread asked where will ISIS go next.
ISIS is testing what the Western world will defend.
And, that is the real question.
Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 04:21 PM (RJMhd)
I spent time with an actress named Rachel Ryan though acting was a secondary skill in her line of movies.
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 04:22 PM (8cSVB)
Posted by: Argyle le Bas at May 20, 2015 04:22 PM (UUGLL)
Posted by: Argyle le Bas at May 20, 2015 04:22 PM (UUGLL)
#TwoWeeks
Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 20, 2015 04:23 PM (V+kmg)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 20, 2015 04:18 PM (/tNwW)
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The world is walking on cracked eggshells right now. A world-war could easily be started by this or anything similar to this. It's just a matter of time now.
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 04:23 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2015 04:23 PM (c4ru+)
Posted by: Maty Clottenstone from Idiotsboro, USSR at May 20, 2015 04:23 PM (4kcWk)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 20, 2015 04:24 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 04:24 PM (39g3+)
Femynysts (including idiot Claire McCaskill) outraged over Game of Thrones rape scene.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 20, 2015 04:10 PM (Spluw)
Ugh. What's annoying is that scene actually makes sense in the context of the show, it isn't gratuitus (There's no nudity or violence, just a close up of a secondary character showing his reaction to the sounds off camera), and it very clearly shows that what is happening is a horrible thing.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 20, 2015 04:24 PM (MW1Qb)
Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 04:23 PM (/HX7u)
Soona, I think we are in a world war now. We just don't have a catchy name yet.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 04:25 PM (S+el1)
Posted by: Freddy the freeloader (formerly Dennis) at May 20, 2015 04:25 PM (FIvdS)
I cannot help but think of all the books written in the late 1800s and early 1900s that kept warning of a huge war and having their characters avert disastrous war heroically. Sherlock Holmes, for example, several times stopped war. They all saw it coming and WWI eventually exploded over one dumb shooting.
Today just feels very similar.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 04:27 PM (39g3+)
That is cool. The sense of history must have permeated through you. In regard to history, My bucket list includes visiting the pass at Thermopylae .
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 04:27 PM (8cSVB)
Posted by: dr sheldon cooper at May 20, 2015 04:27 PM (kivUY)
Huh? Iran cancelled the contract, and Israel has to pay something? Was there some sort of outstanding fee at the time the contract was cancelled, and Israel refused to hand money over to the whackjobs running Iran? Kinda like how we seaized several destroyers being built for the Shahs' navy, and while the lead ship was the Kidd, they were known as the "Khomeni' class?
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 20, 2015 04:28 PM (Spluw)
It would certainly lend the joint some much-needed class.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at May 20, 2015 04:29 PM (DT3rQ)
Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2015 04:29 PM (zoehZ)
Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 04:30 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 04:21 PM (S+el1)
It certainly is. My now wife and I (then living in Europe) used to go to Egypt for Christmas. Luxor was truly amazing, and right across the Nile was the Valley of the Kings and of the Queens, with all of their ancient tombs.
I wouldn't go there now, as crazed Muslims periodically target tourists, but I'm sure glad I went when I did.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 04:33 PM (oKE6c)
If the Iraqis won't stop them, it seems to me that you can mark that place off your todo list.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at May 20, 2015 04:33 PM (X+nFp)
Don't leave out the Leakey family. Took an anthropology class taught by an "upper level" grad student. Dumbest and easiest class I ever took in college.
Anyhoo, the grad student was on a dig via the Leakeys, or their foundation, or some shit like that, and she went on and on every day about them.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at May 20, 2015 05:03 PM (nqiq9)
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Awesome illustration!
Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2015 05:06 PM (2mC6G)
Refuse to pay at the McDonalds "first window".
Make them show you the food, before you pay.
We need to regain control of the business proposition, being the consumer and all, so that they are not dragging us around by the d*ck every time that we succumb to the arches allure.
Fuc*'em up and jam up the drive through if you find ANYTHING wrong. Remain calm, do not invest any emotion and remember that they are zombies in waitiong, but encourage "them" to invest emotion, for a change. Who knows, you might be able to do a lawsuit if things work out right.
Use the same diligence that you would at any other restaurant, and perhaps we can help those poor, poor, downtrodden McD's employees actually develop a work ethic and help them learn about how to honestly earn their money. By providing value, duhh!
But, if that doesn't happen, then at the very least we may be able to make every newly rich employee wish that they were working somewhere else, for even half of the money.
Posted by: goon at May 20, 2015 05:08 PM (gy5kE)
Posted by: Cyrus Pants at May 20, 2015 05:54 PM (scDPS)
Posted by: Comanche Voter at May 20, 2015 09:04 PM (Sda6L)
So where did the grant money go that was ostensibly for the survey firm's work? Did LaCour keep it? Or otherwise embezzle it?
Inquiring minds want to know if he'll be prosecuted.
Posted by: SmokeHillFarm at May 21, 2015 04:02 AM (3nyE5)
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