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#Science: Co-Author of Sociological Study on Attitudes Towards Homosexuality Retracts His Part of the Paper, After "Irregularities" In His Co-Author's Data Collection Are Exposed

I can't swear to it, but this is sounding like a Michael "Arms in America" Belleiles situation, with #Science taking a backseat to political agitation.

This Washington Post story (which I got from Hot Air, of course) makes this all sound much less interesting than I think it actually is.

First, let's talk about the political agenda of the survey, which seems to be designed to push the idea that people's ideas about homosexuality can be fairly easily changed if a gay advocate just talks with them about it.

The study purported to show the ease with which peoples' minds can be changed on the subject of same-sex marriage after short conversations, particularly with gay advocates. It was described as being based on survey research conducted in California after voters passed Proposition 8, the referendum that banned same-sex marriage in the state and that has since been struck down by the courts.

...

The study attracted widespread attention in part because it seemed to fly in the face of conventional wisdom and scholarship about how people cling to their own points of view, sometimes regardless of what they read or hear to the contrary.

"One conversation can change minds on same-sex marriage, study finds," was the headline in The Washington Post reporting the conclusions in December.

"Gay political canvassers can soften the opinions of voters opposed to same-sex marriage by having a brief face-to-face discussion about the issue, researchers reported Thursday," a New York Times report said. "The findings could have implications for activists and issues across the political spectrum, experts said."

The paper got linked and discussed all over the place.

Now, one of the co-authors, Donald P. Green, is retracing the paper, and essentially accuses his co-author of... well, the Washington Post soft-plays it as "irregularities."


Green said two University of California-Berkeley graduate students who had attempted their own research "brought to my attention a series of irregularities that called into question the integrity of the data we present."

The other author, Michael J. LaCour, says, in a Hillary-like way, that he looks forward to addressing these concerns.

If you turn to the paper which discovered these "irregularities," you'll soon see the authors there aren't accusing LaCour of mere "irregularities."

The way I read this, is that they're accusing him of outright fabrication.

Here are some excerpts:

Summary

We report a number of irregularities in the replication dataset posted for LaCour and Green (Science, “When contact changes minds: An experiment on transmission of support for gay equality,” 2014) that jointly suggest the dataset (LaCour 2014) was not collected as described. These irregularities include baseline outcome
data that is statistically indistinguishable from a national survey and over-time changes that are unusually small and indistinguishable from perfectly normally distributed noise. Other elements of the dataset are inconsistent with patterns typical in randomized experiments and survey responses and/or inconsistent with
the claimed design of the study.

A straightforward procedure may generate these anomalies nearly exactly: for both studies reported in the paper, a random sample of the 2012 Cooperative Campaign Analysis Project (CCAP) form the baseline data and normally distributed noise are added to simulate follow-up waves.

I don't know exactly what they mean there, but I think -- think -- they're saying that they suspect the author took an already-available dataset and artificially added some "noise" to make it seem like a new or different study.*

Here's why I think that:



Timeline of Disclosure

• January - April, 2015. Broockman and Kalla were impressed by LaCour and Green (2014) and wanted to extend the article's methodological and substantive discoveries. We began to plan an extension. We sought to form our priors about several design parameters based on the patterns in the original data on which the paper was based, LaCour (2014).

As we examined the study's data in planning our own studies, two features surprised us: voters' survey responses exhibit much higher test-retest reliabilities than we have observed in any other panel survey data, and the response and reinterview rates of the panel survey were significantly higher than we expected.

We set aside our doubts about the study and awaited the launch of our pilot extension to see if we could manage the same parameters. LaCour and Green were both responsive to requests for advice about design details when queried.

• May 6, 2015. Broockman and Kalla launch a pilot of the extension study.

• May 15, 2015. Our initial questions about the dataset arose as follows. The response rate of the pilot study was notably lower than what LaCour and Green (2014) reported. Hoping we could harness the same procedures that produced the original study's high reported response rate, we attempt to contact the survey firm we believed had performed the original study and ask to speak to the staffer at the firm who we believed helped perform Study 1 in LaCour and Green (2014). The survey firm claimed they had no familiarity with the project and that they had never had an employee with the name of the staffer we were asking for. [!!! -- ace] The firm also denied having the capabilities to perform many aspects of the recruitment procedures described in LaCour and Green (2014).

Details omitted. Skipping ahed.

.
• May 18-9, 2015. Green conveys to Aronow and Broockman that LaCour has been confronted and has confessed to falsely describing at least some of the details of the data collection. The authors of this report are not familiar with the details of these events.

So there's your #Science for you.

Whenever Science gets into bed with Politics, Science winds up taking it up the ass and then being kicked out the door at 3 am like a dirty smelly whore.

* I think that the original "researcher," LaCour, claimed to have conducted a survey about attitudes about homosexuality in the Los Angeles area, then used that as his baseline for his subsequent see-if-talking-to-people-changes-their-mind test.

However, what the authors of the paper pointing out these "irregularities" are saying, I think, is that LaCour actually conducted no Los Angeles area study to establish a baseline, but instead just took some already-existing national data and claimed it to be his Los Angeles study.

Posted by: Ace at 02:41 PM




Comments

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1 Just google 'Lewandowsky' if you want lots more examples of this kind of 'science'.

Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at May 20, 2015 02:43 PM (o+SC1)

2
A salient point here is how quickly Green retracted the story when he found out that his co-author had bogused the data.

So it's partly a story about some people still having standards.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2015 02:44 PM (JtwS4)

3
"Whenever Science gets into bed with Politics, Science winds up taking it up the ass and then being kicked out the door at 3 am like a dirty whore."


Kind of like Mattress Girl.

Posted by: Benji Carver at May 20, 2015 02:44 PM (OD2ni)

4 So this is Global Warming/Climate Change for ass bandits? Astonishing.

Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2015 02:47 PM (ty633)

5 Do these fraudsters and liars ever have to repay the grant money they spent?

Ah, who am I kidding.

Posted by: huerfano at May 20, 2015 02:47 PM (bynk/)

6 My fake quotes about Bush were just irregularities. #science#

Posted by: Neil deGrasse Tyson at May 20, 2015 02:47 PM (OD2ni)

7 Lies, damn lies, and statistics!

Posted by: Boots at May 20, 2015 02:47 PM (l9mF2)

8 Faking science is fabulous!

Posted by: Roy at May 20, 2015 02:47 PM (VndSC)

9
Also noteworthy is Science's peer-review process, if it has one.

The Stanford team wanted to repeat and expand on the findings, they were sympathetic to the cause, and they smelled bullshit the minute they started looking at the data.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2015 02:48 PM (JtwS4)

10 TL;DR but is this the story, and I believe it is, where the 'researcher' took grant money to do a study, and then didn't do the study, and admitted that he didn't use the grant money to do the study? What did he use the grant money for? and isn't this 'fraud'?

Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 02:49 PM (UUGLL)

11 Was the noise they added the squeaking from a gerbil?

Posted by: Roy at May 20, 2015 02:49 PM (VndSC)

12 Will Science be dragging a stained mattress through its journals?

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 20, 2015 02:50 PM (1YLA+)

13 Where can I get some of this sweet grant money? House needs a new roof.

Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 02:50 PM (UUGLL)

14 I bumped into the door. I'm so clumsy.

Posted by: Science at May 20, 2015 02:51 PM (Ks4nX)

15 Whenever Science gets into bed with Politics, Science winds up taking it up the ass and then being kicked out the door at 3 am like a dirty smelly whore.
------------------

Especially if Science is wearing one of those sexist shirts. Then, Science is just asking for it.

Posted by: Roy at May 20, 2015 02:51 PM (VndSC)

16 A few more stories like this and Scientists are going to have a bad reputation.

Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 02:51 PM (UUGLL)

17 Heh, pikers.
They got nuthin' on the "billions and billions of years" folks.

Posted by: teej at May 20, 2015 02:51 PM (qyZxC)

18 Science needs a shower. Perhaps a douche

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 20, 2015 02:51 PM (1YLA+)

19 Science winds up taking it up the ass and then being kicked out the door at 3 am like a dirty smelly whore.

So sciences name is Emma?

Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 02:51 PM (S+el1)

20 Well it's not a lie if You mean well...

Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at May 20, 2015 02:52 PM (Bn6aD)

21 Are there classes one can take that teach how to write like a bureaucrat? Does that help with the grant application?

Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 02:52 PM (UUGLL)

22 Fake but accurate seems to be the standard meme with the lying left these days. Their days of honoring themselves will soon come to an ignoble end.

Posted by: maddogg at May 20, 2015 02:53 PM (xWW96)

23 Well, I know that gay rights advocates have certainly changed my mind. Oh, the paper claims that it softens peoples opinions? No. Not so much.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at May 20, 2015 02:53 PM (nFdGS)

24 Wow, fake data sets and unreplicable science. That's amazing.

Posted by: Al-Gore at May 20, 2015 02:53 PM (LISuA)

25 Neal De Grass Tyson is the live child of the butt sex of Science and Politics

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 20, 2015 02:53 PM (1YLA+)

26 Love child.

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 20, 2015 02:53 PM (1YLA+)

27 I'm as flexible as Nadia Komenichi and as dirty as Kim Kardashian!

Posted by: Science! at May 20, 2015 02:53 PM (RJMhd)

28 A historically reliable tree ring survey would have helped this study considerably.

Posted by: Michael Mann at May 20, 2015 02:53 PM (LISuA)

29 Whenever Science gets into bed with Politics, Science winds up taking it up the ass and then being kicked out the door at 3 am like a dirty smelly whore.

Science, meet Conservative Principles Senators Get Elected Saying.

Posted by: FDR's TV at May 20, 2015 02:53 PM (ne2fm)

30 As long as I am paid, I would rather be kicked out at 3 am than have to spend the rest of the night with the loser who got me dirty and smelly.The earlier I shower and cleanup the better.

Posted by: Dirty Smelly Whore at May 20, 2015 02:53 PM (NUqwG)

31 Careful, Ace. "Skipping ahead" are trigger words!

Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2015 02:54 PM (kivUY)

32 Whenever Science gets into bed with Politics, Science winds up taking it up the ass and then being kicked out the door at 3 am like a dirty smelly whore.



Come for the smart military blog, stay for the poetry.

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 20, 2015 02:55 PM (gAghB)

33 Really

Isn't this just a negotiation over price

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 20, 2015 02:55 PM (1YLA+)

34 The more outrageous their lies the more I am influenced by them.

Posted by: maddogg at May 20, 2015 02:55 PM (xWW96)

35 For only $54.64 you can purchase a hard bound, professionally written book on how to write a grant proposal; titled 'How to write a grant proposal' is available on Amazon.

Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 02:55 PM (UUGLL)

36 Keep doing that and you are going to be BLINDED!

Posted by: Science! at May 20, 2015 02:55 PM (VndSC)

37 Science ain't allowed to have no wristwatch. Bitch knew what time it was when she met me.

Posted by: Politics at May 20, 2015 02:55 PM (Ks4nX)

38 18 Science needs a shower. Perhaps a douche
Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 20, 2015 02:51 PM (1YLA+)


A flea dip.

Posted by: Buzzion at May 20, 2015 02:55 PM (z/Ubi)

39 Science will do ATM.

Posted by: wooga at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (nrca1)

40 25 -- Neal De Grass Tyson is the live child of the butt sex of Science and Politics
26 -- Love Child


You say tomato, I say tomahto

Posted by: Zombie Louis Armstrong at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (i4eXO)

41 up the ass and then being kicked out the door at 3 am

Shouldn't there be a bathhouse or parade involved if it's gay science?

Do I really need to read all the content to see if they ignored the "what do I have to say to get rid of this surveyor factor"?

Posted by: DaveA at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (DL2i+)

42 narrative > facts

Posted by: brak at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (Tj+s6)

43 Big Anus manufacturing data about themselves to appear better to the hordes of gay groupies? No, don't say it.

Posted by: fromabroad at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (rnV3B)

44 I saw this, was kind of interested, then realized I had not read this study, heard about this study, seen no reports about this study, and seen no one actually discussing it.

So its like someone wrote a paper that nobody knew about that ended up wrong.

Shrug.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (39g3+)

45 Science needs a shower. Perhaps a douche


"A warm Summer's Eve".

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (gAghB)

46 Homosexual people can fly. True fact. We have tested this.



Posted by: Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (LISuA)

47 Gay political canvassers can soften the opinions of voters opposed to same-sex marriage by having a brief face-to-face discussion about the issue

----

That's actually true, generally when those canvassers threaten lawsuits and boycotts of your little pizzeria.

Posted by: @JohnTant at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (eytER)

48 Golden showers of data, and a bukake of results!

Posted by: Science! at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (RJMhd)

49 So science =Emma Solcowicz.

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 02:56 PM (sdxPm)

50 As for the premise

Isn't it likely that after bring harassed by the SJW people just agree with them to make them go away

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 20, 2015 02:57 PM (1YLA+)

51 What Science does know, is that Politics likes to be a bottom.

Posted by: Roy at May 20, 2015 02:57 PM (VndSC)

52 Investigators say both Hamza Ahmed, 19, and Hanad Musse, 19, used more than $1,000 from federal student loan accounts for plane tickets to Turkey and Greece. Prosecutors say they were really going to Syria to join ISIS.

http://tinyurl.com/ll4l7y3

Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 02:57 PM (S+el1)

53 Kids have their "special" blankets.

Politicians have their "special" science mattresses.

Posted by: mrp at May 20, 2015 02:57 PM (JBggj)

54 There is nothing the leftards won't politicize, from Jesus to the art of butt plugging it is all a vehicle to their shitistan.

Posted by: maddogg at May 20, 2015 02:58 PM (xWW96)

55 I would guess poo stabbing would lead to regularity and not irregularity.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 02:58 PM (nDPoN)

56
Whenever Science gets into bed with Politics, Science winds up taking it up the ass and then being kicked out the door at 3 am like a dirty smelly whore.


Nice payoff line.

Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2015 02:58 PM (ykfyK)

57 It is true though that a lot of fake science and bad methodology is being caught lately. How much slipped through in the past without question? I seriously doubt there's been a gigantic increase in lying trash by scientists just as the internet made it easier to catch.

How much "consensus" science and common knowledge is false, based on junk that was never questioned or examined closely?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 02:58 PM (39g3+)

58 Sure I agree with you. Please don't ruin my business or sic the government on me

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 20, 2015 02:58 PM (1YLA+)

59 A "single conversation with a gay activist can change someone's mind on same-sex marriage."


Gay activist--"So what do you think about same-sex marriage?"
John Doe--" I think it's stupid and immoral and flies in the face of human nature."
Gay activist--" I have your tax returns from the last ten years. It seems there are many irregularities. Also, are you boinking the baby -sitter?"
John Doe--"Hey, what business is it of yours?"
Gay activist--" Oh I won't tell anyone. But I really think you really should reconsider your opposition to same-sex marriage..."
John Doe--" Who cares who marries who? Who am I to stand in the way of the happiness of others..."
Gay activist--"Thank-you! Have a nice day...."
(glances at clipboard and checks a box)

Posted by: JoeF. at May 20, 2015 02:59 PM (sbxl6)

60 Isn't it likely that after bring harassed by the SJW people just agree with them to make them go away

That or didn't want to hurt someone's feelings. I signed a petition from a lesbian lady at the farmers market and listened to her talk about how she was so concerned about discrimination...It's just not worth being rude and getting into it with total strangers for most people.

Posted by: Lea at May 20, 2015 02:59 PM (lIU4e)

61 then being kicked out the door at 3 am like a dirty smelly whore.

Then science stars lugging a mattress around.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 02:59 PM (39g3+)

62 Rickb223

Come for the smart military blog, stay for the romance.

Posted by: Science! at May 20, 2015 02:59 PM (RJMhd)

63 Should I give them the correct findings, or shall I give them findings which will make them happy, thereby gaining myself further research money to spend on Val-U-Rite and dry cleaning?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Buy A Malediction, Get an Imaginary Insult Half Off! at May 20, 2015 02:59 PM (hLRSq)

64 Guide to Grants and Scholarship, available instantly for your android device, on Amazon.

BizGrant - Government grant money software kit 2009 (currently unavailable)

Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 02:59 PM (UUGLL)

65
55 I would guess poo stabbing would lead to regularity and not irregularity.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 02:58 PM (nDPoN)

So, Emma Sulcowicz wears Depends as she lugs around the crib mattress?

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 02:59 PM (sdxPm)

66 It was described as being based on survey research



Oh ... a survey.


OK.

Posted by: Mr. Ed at May 20, 2015 02:59 PM (oKE6c)

67 and remember:

"Earlier this year, Phil Jones, the head of CRU who just stepped down pending the Climategate investigation, claimed to have lost some of the world's oldest climate sensor data after first saying to the requesting scientist "Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?" Indeed, there is a consistent tendency among climate alarmist scientists to refuse to make their data or calculations public."

(american spectator, 12/04/09)

Posted by: mallfly at May 20, 2015 02:59 PM (qSIlh)

68 There are no gay people in Tehran. How do you smart PhD guys explain that!

Posted by: Ali Hosseini Khamenei at May 20, 2015 03:00 PM (LISuA)

69 Science-When the facts do prove your hypothesis......well just make some shit up.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 20, 2015 03:00 PM (LA7Cm)

70 I signed a petition from a lesbian lady at the farmers market and listened to her talk about how she was so concerned about discrimination...

The proper response to that is to walk away shaking your head sadly, not wait. She's being rude to you by forcing her trash on you in public. Spare her by cutting it off.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:00 PM (39g3+)

71 "don't"

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 20, 2015 03:00 PM (LA7Cm)

72 WOW, just wow. Who's dick did these guys suck to get these grants? I wouldn't, but I sure would "fcuk them in the ass" if I could!

Posted by: Freddy the freeloader at May 20, 2015 03:01 PM (FIvdS)

73 Politics promised not to do that thing in sciences mouth again

Politics lied

On a related note obama says global warming created isis and boko haram

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 20, 2015 03:01 PM (1YLA+)

74 "One conversation can change minds on same-sex marriage, study finds,"
was the headline in The Washington Post reporting the conclusions in
December.




Great. We'll start proselytizing against it forthwith.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:01 PM (oKE6c)

75 Prosecutors say they were really going to Syria to join ISIS.


Let them go. Just don't let them come back.

Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 03:01 PM (UUGLL)

76 Science winds up taking it up the ass and then being kicked out the door at 3 am like a dirty smelly whore.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (AC0lD)

77 survey research=junk science. You can make them say pretty much anything you want. And apparently these guys didn't even bother with doing the actual survey

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (39g3+)

78 Gay agenda science puts a whole new spin on the term-

"Poll pusher".

Posted by: Science! at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (RJMhd)

79 "Gay political canvassers can soften ..."

That's where I stopped. Right there.

Posted by: letitbeme at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (4uDUj)

80 This is academia, sir. When the agenda becomes "flawed science", print the agenda.

Posted by: Maxwell Scott: Shinbone Star at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (YFFpo)

81 "Whenever Science gets into bed with Politics, Science winds up taking it up the ass and then being kicked out the door at 3 am like a dirty smelly whore."


#mattressscience

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Buy A Malediction, Get an Imaginary Insult Half Off! at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (hLRSq)

82 It's like those anti-DADT gays of a few years ago, they'll say anything, fake anything, to push their agenda. That agenda being that perversion is normalcy, ugly is beautiful, black is white, all of the disruptive memes that have informed radical shitsippers since time immemorial. With DADT, allowing gay soldiers was going to reduce suicides, ensure full ranks, end discrimination, etc. None of it was real, but assholes sold it as real, and idiots lapped it up.

Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (2cS/G)

83 Gawd...did anyone read the comments over there? I was on there earlier and read some. Had to close the window as my BP was getting near stroke stage.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (vg8iE)

84 Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 03:01 PM (UUGLL)

Buying their ticket with PELL grant.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (S+el1)

85 They polled homosexuals?

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (nDPoN)

86 Let them go. Just don't let them come back.

Or, if they come back, prosecute them for crimes against humanity, terrorism, and war crimes.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:03 PM (39g3+)

87 Whenever Science gets into bed with Politics, Science winds up taking it up the ass



See? Homosexual proselytizing is paying off!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:03 PM (oKE6c)

88 It's highly suspicious that Acting and Interior Decorating professionals are so often gay. What have you folks got against straight people?!

Posted by: EEOC at May 20, 2015 03:03 PM (LISuA)

89 I found this study to be quite informative.
http://www.mygenes.co.nz/download.htm

Posted by: Iblis at May 20, 2015 03:04 PM (9221z)

90 85 They polled homosexuals?

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (nDPoN)




Spelling?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:04 PM (oKE6c)

91 People who are motivated Enpugh to complete your stupid survey are already inclined to agree with you

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 20, 2015 03:04 PM (1YLA+)

92 Shout out to Ricardo! You and Slap need to be put in a bag and shaken, then see who comes out first. Enjoy youse guys posts....

Posted by: Freddy the freeloader (formerly Dennis) at May 20, 2015 03:04 PM (FIvdS)

93 Maxwell Scott: Shinbone Star

Any reference to The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance is a good reference.

They polled homosexuals?

You misspelled... never mind

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:04 PM (39g3+)

94
Retractionwatch has been Drudge'd into oblivion, but here's the cache of their coverage:

http://tinyurl.com/khzn34p

Short version: Grad student and co-author Michael LaCour "confessed to falsely describing at least some of the details of the data collection" to lead author Green.

The survey firm claimed they had no
familiarity with the project and denied
having the capabilities to perform many aspects of the recruitment
procedures described in LaCour and Green (2014).

LaCour was claiming a giant test and retest number for the survey that was way beyond what you see in academic projects.

And LaCour had gotten a job at Princeton based on the media attention for his article, but that ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 03:04 PM (kdS6q)

95 "I saw this, was kind of interested, then realized I had not read this study, heard about this study, seen no reports about this study, and seen no one actually discussing it. "

the study was widely publicized among gay sources (I have the bad habit of reading yahoo news rolls while I am waiting for my mail to load...), not only it made appear that the opinions of conservatives are made of thin air and groundless, but it bolstered all the gay groupies into thinking that they were just one door knock away from conquering the planet.

Some studies are for the fanbase to radicalize it or for the in-between to make them jump on the bandwagon. This study does obviously absolutely nothing for the pesky conservatives.

Posted by: fromabroad at May 20, 2015 03:04 PM (rnV3B)

96 "Whenever Science gets into bed with Politics, Science winds up taking it
up the ass and then being kicked out the door at 3 am like a dirty
smelly whore."


What Politics needs is a better break-up strategy so Science doesn't feel cheap, used and then stalks Politics carrying a DNA soaked mattress around.


What is a sensitive, tender break-up song after anal?



Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 20, 2015 03:04 PM (AC0lD)

97 I'm confused.

Posted by: Bruce Jenner at May 20, 2015 03:05 PM (wAQA5)

98 Buying their ticket with PELL grant.

Money well spent. It would be cheaper to advertise free air travel to Syria with the one condition you can not return to the US. Get enough to fill a charter and save even more.

Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 03:05 PM (UUGLL)

99 85 They polled homosexuals?
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:02 PM (nDPoN)


I'm sure they used plenty of lube and safe words.

Posted by: Iblis at May 20, 2015 03:05 PM (9221z)

100 So Greene co-authored a study with LaCore and later decided LaCore can't substantiate the data in their co-study. Sounds like some sort of abnormal spat to me.

Posted by: RioBravo at May 20, 2015 03:05 PM (NUqwG)

101 Sounds like they polled them hard.

Given the low drop off rate.

Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:05 PM (RJMhd)

102 People who are motivated Enpugh to complete your stupid survey are already inclined to agree with you

I can't remember what this fallacy is called but you're exactly right. Its a known flaw with studies of this sort, and they try to factor it in. But basically anyone who'll put up with what you're trying to study is inclined to go along with your study.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:05 PM (39g3+)

103 Climate scientists moonlighting as sociologists? Best guess.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 20, 2015 03:06 PM (BZAd3)

104 @60 - it's true that it's not worth being rude, but something like that merits a "No thank you" and four or five brisk steps in the other direction, IMO.

Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at May 20, 2015 03:06 PM (o+SC1)

105 This is why I say that all polls are push polls. Also, Ted Cruz's answer on the sex questions was awesomely awesome.

Posted by: Lauren at May 20, 2015 03:07 PM (A6xmT)

106 The proper response to that is to walk away shaking your head sadly, not wait. She's being rude to you by forcing her trash on you in public. Spare her by cutting it off.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:00 PM (39g3+)


My grandmother was a southern lady. That would be entirely too rude for me.

I do know how to do the 'no thanks' and keep walking thing but for some reason I got drawn into a conversation...

Posted by: Lea at May 20, 2015 03:07 PM (lIU4e)

107
From a Buzzfeed article on this:

Yesterday, Vavreck asked LaCour for the contact information of the survey respondents. He didn't have it, and apparently confessed that he hadn't used any of the study's grant money to conduct any of the surveys.

He claimed to have hired staff to interview 11,000+ respondents and then follow up with them. That suggests a pretty sweet pile of grant money that didn't get spent that way.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2015 03:07 PM (JtwS4)

108 >>>On a related note obama says global warming created isis and boko haram<<<

Didn't Obama also say global warming causes HIV, AIDS, hepatitis, piles, polyps, colon cancer, and swelling of the prostate?

Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2015 03:07 PM (ty633)

109 So basically they only sampled the Castro District in San Fran.

Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:07 PM (RJMhd)

110 What is a sensitive, tender break-up song after anal?
----------------------------

Anything by John Mayer. That also works during anal.

Posted by: Roy at May 20, 2015 03:07 PM (VndSC)

111 @103 - Lewandowsky, Cook, Oreskes - Sociologists moonlighting as climate scientists (the money's better).

Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at May 20, 2015 03:07 PM (o+SC1)

112 Look, a lot of people do change their minds about homosexuality when an advocate talks to them.

It just happens to be that the advocate is screaming at them, insulting them, and calling them names and threatening them.

Rationality is not used to convert people to being pro-homosexual. Bumper sticker slogans and threats are.

Posted by: biscuits mahoney at May 20, 2015 03:08 PM (qhsVo)

113 Look, a lot of people do change their minds about homosexuality when an advocate talks to them.

It just happens to be that the advocate is screaming at them, insulting them, and calling them names and threatening them.

Rationality is not used to convert people to being pro-homosexual. Bumper sticker slogans and threats are.

Posted by: biscuits mahoney at May 20, 2015 03:08 PM (qhsVo)

114 Whenever Science gets into bed with Politics, Science winds up taking it up the ass and then being kicked out the door at 3 am like a dirty smelly whore.


-----------------------------------------


Perhaps scientists should carry around mattresses.

Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 03:08 PM (/HX7u)

115
I'm going to see Dirty Smelly Whore open for Clinton/Warren in 2016.

<gag>

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at May 20, 2015 03:08 PM (+/C3g)

116 Whenever Science gets into bed with Politics, Science winds up taking it up the ass and then being kicked out the door at 3 am like a dirty smelly whore.

That's just how politics rolls, b*tch. Oh, you want cab fare? Nah, honey, you're doing the walk of shame, politics only spends money on you when it likes you. Once you stop giving politics what it wants, you're on your own.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at May 20, 2015 03:08 PM (Gosad)

117 I can't remember what this fallacy is called but you're exactly right. Its a known flaw with studies of this sort, and they try to factor it in. But basically anyone who'll put up with what you're trying to study is inclined to go along with your study.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:05 PM (39g3+)




Selection bias.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:08 PM (oKE6c)

118 Science done gone "truthy"
Scientists used to seek truth.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2015 03:08 PM (1jDaK)

119 Let them go. Just don't let them come back.

Posted by: Gerry Sitwell


Sure, let them go.

Just be sure to tag them with GPS markers first.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 20, 2015 03:08 PM (uctT+)

120 perverting science? the deuce you say!

Posted by: X at May 20, 2015 03:09 PM (n5fTN)

121 Spare her by cutting it off.
That's what I said!

Posted by: islamic asshole at May 20, 2015 03:09 PM (kivUY)

122
So Greene co-authored a study with LaCore and later decided LaCore can't substantiate the data in their co-study. Sounds like some sort of abnormal spat to me.
Posted by: RioBravo



Nah. Typical grad student/prof publication. Grad student project to build his CV. Prof consults, reviews and co-signs to aid publication, but doesn't do the scutwork.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 03:10 PM (kdS6q)

123
Science is now a whore, Politics is the Pimp.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 20, 2015 03:10 PM (ODxAs)

124 Also, Ted Cruz's answer on the sex questions was awesomely awesome.
Posted by: Lauren at May 20, 2015 03:07 PM (A6xmT)


Oooh, I missed it. What did he say?

Posted by: Lea at May 20, 2015 03:10 PM (lIU4e)

125 >>Didn't Obama also say global warming causes HIV, AIDS, hepatitis, piles, polyps, colon cancer, and swelling of the prostate?


Yes, but *I* single-handedly caused unemployment, bitchez!!

Posted by: ATMs at May 20, 2015 03:10 PM (1jDaK)

126 Speaking of dirty smelly whore, what is Courtney Hole doing these days?

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:10 PM (nDPoN)

127 Tender break up songs after anal?

Rock You Like A Hurricane, The Scorpions.

Or
Slide It In , by White Snake.

Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:11 PM (RJMhd)

128
So basically they only sampled the Castro District in San Fran.
Posted by: River Guide
....................................
Hope they wore condoms.

Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 03:11 PM (wAQA5)

129 Has anyone checked to see if the mattress tags were cut off? If so, arrest her!

Posted by: Bruce But Not Jenner at May 20, 2015 03:11 PM (iQIUe)

130 >>>Yesterday, Vavreck asked LaCour for the contact information of the survey respondents. He didn't have it, and apparently confessed that he hadn't used any of the study's grant money to conduct any of the surveys.

He claimed to have hired staff to interview 11,000+ respondents and then follow up with them. That suggests a pretty sweet pile of grant money that didn't get spent that way.

...

i believe a survey for a target sample size of 800 can cost something like $40,0000.

So, for 11,000.... that's a spicy meatball!

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2015 03:12 PM (PA7DS)

131 Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 03:05 PM (UUGLL)

My problem is not that these jack wagons wanted to go to Syria, it's they got PELL grants and tried to use they for it. When I can't qualify for 1 penny of financial aid for my daughter or my son when he was in college.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 03:13 PM (S+el1)

132 127 Tender break up songs after anal?

Rock You Like A Hurricane, The Scorpions.

Or
Slide It In , by White Snake.
Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:11 PM (RJMhd)

"Under My Thumb", and "Dosed".

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 03:13 PM (sdxPm)

133 So homosexuality is immutable and don't you dare try to change anyone, but we're going to reprogram you h8rs.

Got it.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 20, 2015 03:13 PM (oVJmc)

134
"The on-line survey data that Michael LaCour purported to collect could not be traced to any originating Qualtrics source files. He claimed that he deleted the source file accidentally.."



Hey, it happens.

Posted by: Hillary

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 03:14 PM (kdS6q)

135 Another one of those rare moments when I wish Malor was still around. Point out to him all the lies and fallacies and projections he's posted in the last few years, show him why/how he was such a tool of the Idiot masses. I suppose he already knows, but it would be nice to see one member of the Gay Mafia actually acknowledge their scumbag methods.

Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 03:14 PM (2cS/G)

136
127 Tender break up songs after anal?
............................
Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue

Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 03:14 PM (wAQA5)

137 Can't believe the social sciences.
Can't believe the hard sciences (AGW)
Can't believe the MSM.
Can't believe the politicians.

They say the first casualty of war is the truth.

We must be at war.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 20, 2015 03:15 PM (XmOA9)

138 Fake rape. Fake studies. WTF is this Fake-ass Day.

Posted by: Marus T at May 20, 2015 03:15 PM (GGCsk)

139 I cracked up at Tim Conway Jr.'s musing on homosexual men. He thinks surely some gay guys look at their naked partner lying on the bed and they stop for a moment and say to themselves... "am I really gonna do this?"

Posted by: Dang at May 20, 2015 03:15 PM (XWo4d)

140
136
127 Tender break up songs after anal?
............................
Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 03:14 PM (wAQA5)

Brown-Eyed Girl".

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 03:15 PM (sdxPm)

141 People who are motivated Enpugh to complete your stupid survey are already inclined to agree with you

I can't remember what this fallacy is called but you're exactly right. Its a known flaw with studies of this sort, and they try to factor it in. But basically anyone who'll put up with what you're trying to study is inclined to go along with your study.


Self-selection bias? Or something like it.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at May 20, 2015 03:16 PM (DT3rQ)

142 Knock in' at Your Back Door, by Deep Purple

Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:16 PM (RJMhd)

143 We're crapping on scientists here, but these people are not scientists. "Social science" is an oxymoron; there is no such thing, and I can prove it: how often do "social scientists" falsify their hypotheses?


Answer: virtually never. Their data almost invariably support their initial hypothesis. In the physical (i.e., no shit) sciences, we get astonished ... all the time.


I once synthesized a compound that no one thought was capable of existence, and once it was made, everyone thought there must be some mistake. Once irrefutable proof was to hand, everyone was amazed, as though I'd walked into town with Sasquatch following behind me on a leash.


But social scientists ... never surprised. They must be much brighter than physical scientists.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:16 PM (oKE6c)

144 So, of course, these guys will lose their jobs now and be forced to pay back the grant money, right? Maybe even be charged with something, right?
Hello...hello???

Posted by: tu3031 at May 20, 2015 03:16 PM (YFFpo)

145 The truth has been picking up the slack lately.

Posted by: The Chicken at May 20, 2015 03:16 PM (nDPoN)

146 Way back in time, during one of my extensive and frequent periods of unemployment, I read an employment ad for 'grant writer'. Some unknown Post Office Box needed someone experienced and skilled in writing grant applications.

Grant money has been like an insect bite on my back ever since.

Foundations do the same thing, write up a proposal for a 'study' and will pay someone to do the 'research' that proves the premise in the proposal.

It's turtles all the way down.

Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 03:16 PM (UUGLL)

147 Every young person should read How to Lie With Statistics by Darrell Huff.

Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 03:16 PM (M97F+)

148 I was reading all about this case this morning before Ace posted it.

It really is Big News but the backstory is too complicated for LIVs, so it will never become Big News.

The short version is:

Left-wing "Scientist," posing as an actual scientist, absolutely fabricated a major study out of thin air, in order to promote a left-wing agenda.

the study said that homophobic bigots would immediately change their minds and become pro-gay in just five minutes if they are told am empathetic story by a gay person face to face.

Furthermore, it would have a ripple effect, and the converted former homophobes would then convert all their friends and relatives too.

Turns out, of course, that not only was the data faked -- there was no study conducted at all.

He just Made That Shit Up.

And guess what? Didn't matter. The media ate his story up like a chocolate sundae with a cherry on top and splashed it everywhere.

But to my mind, there's an even bigger story, when you take half a step back.

As I suspected all along, turns out that the "canvassers" coming to your door are NOT looking for like-minded people to donate (as they claim), and are NOT working off lists of previous donors -- but are instead there to cajole, indoctrination and bully you into accepting the narrative of their cause.

Because the faked "study" was supposed to have been conducted like this: Send out teams of people to go door-to-door to ask for donations to some pro-gay cause -- but actually purposely go to identified anti-gay households, and try to shame them into changing their minds.

A ha! I knew it. Telephone polls are the same -- they're not trying to gauge your reaction -- they're trying to change your mind while pretending to gauge your reaction.

Everything is a "push-poll," Everything. There are no innocent or unbiased political acts any more. None.

Posted by: zombie at May 20, 2015 03:16 PM (jBuUi)

149
This Washington Post story (which I got from Hot Air, of course)








*snort*

Ewok Pushback is funneh.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 20, 2015 03:16 PM (lpeQC)

150 My grandmother was a southern lady. That would be entirely too rude for me.

I have to deal with this with my mom too. Look, when someone forces their attention on you in a rude fashion, then letting them do so is bad for them. Its rewarding their poor behavior, its giving them an opportunity to keep being rude. And further, its usually wasting their time because you're not inclined to agree or pay attention.

The rude thing is sitting and listening to them. Because you're helping them do wrong. You know why you cannot just politely break away? Because they are so rude they won't let you get a word in or respond properly. Walk away, saying "no thanks" and they can get to the next person.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:17 PM (39g3+)

151 142 Knock in' at Your Back Door, by Deep Purple
Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:16 PM (RJMhd)

"Rag Doll", and "Back Door Man".

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 03:17 PM (sdxPm)

152 Looking out my backdoor.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:18 PM (nDPoN)

153 OT,
Gateway Pundit has that Palmyra, Syria is under ISIS control.

Anyone see it anyplace else?

Posted by: Carol at May 20, 2015 03:18 PM (sj3Ax)

154 143 We're crapping on scientists here, but these people are not scientists. "Social science" is an oxymoron; there is no such thing, and I can prove it: how often do "social scientists" falsify their hypotheses?



yep. nowadays "social" as qualifier means "not"

Posted by: X at May 20, 2015 03:18 PM (n5fTN)

155
136
127 Tender break up songs after anal?
............................
Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 03:14 PM (wAQA5)

Brown-Eyed Girl".

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 03:15 PM (sdxPm)






Chocolate City

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 20, 2015 03:19 PM (lpeQC)

156 Can't believe the hard sciences (AGW)

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 20, 2015 03:15 PM (XmOA9)


You can believe the hard sciences, for the most part. AGW is an exception, but it's not really a hard science, it's an observational science that has become highly politicized.
Observational sciences generally have their problems because they often don't lend themselves to well-designed experiments, with positive and negative controls, since many of the relevant variables are outside of our control. So you get what you get when you look, and that's it.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:19 PM (oKE6c)

157 150,
Bless their hearts...

Posted by: anon a mouse at May 20, 2015 03:19 PM (C9pBZ)

158
So homosexuality is immutable and don't you dare try to change anyone, but we're going to reprogram you h8rs.

*Attitudes* about homosexuality are highly mutable. I grew up in an era when of course you made fun of fags, now I wouldn't dream of it.

Not only do I believe the mutability of sexuality to be a stupid question -- a person's sexual expression is one of the most idiosynchratic aspects of her personality -- but because I have manners.

There are gay and bi Morons in Good Standing who just get casually slurred because no one thinks twice about them being people.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, now ha at May 20, 2015 03:19 PM (JtwS4)

159 Sundown you better take care
if I find you been creepin'
round my back stair.

-- Gordon Lightfinger

Posted by: letitbeme at May 20, 2015 03:20 PM (4uDUj)

160 yep. nowadays "social" as qualifier means "not"

Posted by: X at May 20, 2015 03:18 PM (n5fTN)


Yep. Just as historic now means "not worth a shit."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:20 PM (oKE6c)

161 No wonder they're trying to get more kids interested in science. It's now the propaganda department of the left.

Posted by: Dang at May 20, 2015 03:20 PM (XWo4d)

162 Little Red Rooster by Willie Dixon

Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 03:20 PM (M97F+)

163 Hillary has nice cans.

Hey it's fake day, so don't hold it against me. I lie.

Posted by: Marus T at May 20, 2015 03:21 PM (GGCsk)

164 Weasel Zippers linked Palmyra story to the Guardian.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:21 PM (nDPoN)

165 153

Al Jazeera says at least 75% control

Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 03:21 PM (S+el1)

166 I get it; this "study" was the scientific equivalent of "Bend Over, Here It Comes Again".

Posted by: MTF at May 20, 2015 03:21 PM (LISuA)

167 F*cking work. Keeps distracting me from AoS

Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 03:21 PM (wAQA5)

168
Green tells Retraction Watch:

Michael LaCour attended my summer workshop on experimental design in 2012 and proposed at that time a project that involved both canvassing and internet surveys... I later introduced him to Dave Fleischer* who heads up the LGBT canvassing operation in Los Angeles and they struck up a collaboration.

*http://www.leadership-lab.org/team/




Whoomp! There it is.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 03:22 PM (kdS6q)

169 None of this helps Michelle Obama's kids.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at May 20, 2015 03:22 PM (NhqyL)

170 153 OT,
Gateway Pundit has that Palmyra, Syria is under ISIS control.

Posted by: Carol at May 20, 2015 03:18 PM (sj3Ax)




That's a success, racist.

Posted by: The Left at May 20, 2015 03:22 PM (vgIRn)

171 Usually a conversation with a homosexual involves generous hand sanitizer, dry cleaning and a shower. But that's just me.

Posted by: Marus T at May 20, 2015 03:23 PM (GGCsk)

172 It's not a casual slur, it's a very direct one, at least in my case. If you're going to tell me what you do to get off, and then demand legislation that implies my approval (or even caring), you are a shitfucktard. Morons who are gay aren't part of the Gay Mafia (Malor excepted), so shouldn't be offended.

Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 03:23 PM (2cS/G)

173 My mamma always says, anal sex is like a box of chocolates.......

Posted by: Forrest Gump at May 20, 2015 03:23 PM (/HX7u)

174 Left-wing "Scientist," posing as an actual scientist, absolutely
fabricated a major study out of thin air, in order to promote a
left-wing agenda.




First time for everything.

Posted by: Trofim Lysenko at May 20, 2015 03:24 PM (oKE6c)

175 Ring of Fire, Johnny Cash

Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:24 PM (RJMhd)

176
The rude thing is sitting and listening to them. Because you're helping them do wrong. You know why you cannot just politely break away? Because they are so rude they won't let you get a word in or respond properly. Walk away, saying "no thanks" and they can get to the next person.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:17 PM (39g3+)







Walking away doesn't always work either, as anyone walking down the street in a SoCal farmer's market full of patchouli-stinking hippies waving xeroxed newsletters can attest. They often take "no thanks" as a challenge, and follow you down the street, berating you as a heartless beastly meanie.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 20, 2015 03:24 PM (lpeQC)

177 "I cracked up at Tim Conway Jr.'s musing on homosexual men. He thinks surely some gay guys look at their naked partner lying on the bed and they stop for a moment and say to themselves... "am I really gonna do this?""

Everybody has got their own kinky fetishes, some men have this fetish to penetrate a male anus (or being penetrated anally by a male).

There wouldn't be any public problem if this wasn't elevated to the most glorified fetish of all time, worthy of federal subsidies, worthy of admiration, worthy of infinite praise.

Foot fetishers and fans of shibari should complain that their fetish is not treated with as much respect as homosexuality

Posted by: fromabroad at May 20, 2015 03:25 PM (rnV3B)

178 ?
---
"Can a single conversation change minds on divisive social issues, such as same-sex marriage? A randomized placebo-controlled trial assessed whether gay (n=22) or straight (n=19) messengers were effective at encouraging voters (n=972) to support same-sex marriage and whether attitude change persisted and spread to others in voters social networks. The results, measured by an unrelated panel survey, show that both gay and straight canvassers produced large effects initially, but only gay canvassers effects persisted in 3 week, 6 week, and 9 month follow-ups. We also find strong evidence of within-household transmission of opinion change, but only in the wake of conversations with gay canvassers. Contact with gay canvassers further caused substantial change in the ratings of gay men and lesbians more generally. These large, persistent, and contagious effects were confirmed by a follow-up experiment. Contact with minorities coupled with discussion of issues pertinent to them is capable of producing a cascade of opinion change."
---
??

Posted by: RioBravo at May 20, 2015 03:25 PM (NUqwG)

179 from Latin scientia "knowledge, a knowing; expertness," from sciens (genitive scientis) "intelligent, skilled," present participle of scire "to know," probably originally "to separate one thing from another, to distinguish," related to scindere "to cut, divide," from PIE root *skei- "to cut, to split" (cognates: Greek skhizein "to split, rend, cleave," Gothic skaidan, Old English sceadan "to divide, separate"

Restricting "science" to "knowledge gained from reproducible experiment" dates to the 17th century.

Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 03:25 PM (M97F+)

180 173 My mamma always says, anal sex is like a box of chocolates.......
Posted by: Forrest Gump at May 20, 2015 03:23 PM (/HX7u)

And no one speaks from experience, everything is anecdotal...

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 03:25 PM (sdxPm)

181 that smell lynyrd skynyrd

Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 03:25 PM (S+el1)

182 Should have visited the ancient ruins of Palmyra when I had the chance.

Seriously though, that is gonna be destroyed.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 20, 2015 03:26 PM (fWAjv)

183 Ace,

Politico and Retraction watch (who broke this story) both report the survey company was Quatrics: a massive well respected company that contracts to do survey work.

Basically something this large would likely require qualtrics help to actually implement (put differently, I can build a simple qualtrics survey, but the only people who could building something things large and complex work for Qualtrics.)

When they called qualtrics they said "we never helped anyone do this. Also our software doesn't do [assessment X.]"

Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 20, 2015 03:26 PM (U8W/7)

184 I have a question... (waves hand in the air frantically)

Why is it that real science is often wrong, yet fake science is always "settled"?

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 20, 2015 03:26 PM (BZAd3)

185 184, follow the money...

Posted by: anon a mouse at May 20, 2015 03:27 PM (C9pBZ)

186 starbreaker - judas priest

Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2015 03:27 PM (ty633)

187 184 I have a question... (waves hand in the air frantically)

Why is it that real science is often wrong, yet fake science is always "settled"?
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 20, 2015 03:26 PM (BZAd3)

Fake science is not falsifiable, of course, like Religion.

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 03:28 PM (sdxPm)

188 And now for some religion.

http://tinyurl.com/mguo648

Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 20, 2015 03:28 PM (nsn2M)

189 188 But can it kill spiders and take out the trash?

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:30 PM (nDPoN)

190 How did social science ever get the tag "science"?

Posted by: bergerbilder at May 20, 2015 03:30 PM (+jijM)

191 Gateway Pundit has that Palmyra, Syria is under ISIS control.



So, when ISIS is done with Syria and Iraq, who's Next? You know they're not going to stop. Jordan? Lebanon? Kuwait? KSA?

Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 03:30 PM (S+el1)

192 The only way a gay person could change my mind about gay marriage is if they could guarantee me a hook up with a smoking hot bridesmaid.

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 03:30 PM (8cSVB)

193 Science, Bitches!

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 20, 2015 03:30 PM (y/p2Y)

194 If some jerk is standing on my porch spouting PC nonsense, I am going to say whatever he wants to hear to make him go away. Especially considering the way people are having their lives ruined for being on the "wrong" side of issues.

Posted by: Haiku Guy at May 20, 2015 03:30 PM (hmj8n)

195 "Fake science is not falsifiable, of course, like Religion."

If I type this sentence, I believe angels will swoop down and carry me off to a shack in the Scottish highlands that is filled with money and whiskey.

(pause)

Damn.

Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 03:30 PM (M97F+)

196 Not only do I believe the mutability of sexuality to be a stupid question -- a person's sexual expression is one of the most idiosynchratic aspects of her personality -- but because I have manners.

Not this canard again. Over and over we've seen people who "experimented" with homosexuality then gave it up, but there are always people who'll insist that its one way, absolute, never changes totally etched in stone, nobody can question it. Absurd. Some people are born that way, some try it out a while and stop. People are not computer programs. We're complex and varied and confusing. People are contradictory and confused.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:31 PM (39g3+)

197 188 And now for some religion.

http://tinyurl.com/mguo648

Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 20, 2015 03:28 PM (nsn2M)

Can't wait for the pics of the screaming pali granny waving her arms in the air holding zionist death dildo's.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 20, 2015 03:31 PM (fWAjv)

198 192 The only way a gay person could change my mind about gay marriage is if they could guarantee me a hook up with a smoking hot bridesmaid.
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 03:30 PM (8cSVB)

Eh, the bridesmaid would probably be named Bill, so....

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 03:31 PM (sdxPm)

199 There wouldn't be any public problem if this wasn't
elevated to the most glorified fetish of all time, worthy of federal
subsidies, worthy of admiration, worthy of infinite praise.




Posted by: fromabroad at May 20, 2015 03:25 PM (rnV3B)


Yeah, there would be a public problem, as male homosexuality is a public health problem; owing to their promiscuity, male homosexuals are a primary reservoir of STDs, and through bisexual men, continually reinoculate the normal population.
So big effing public problem, esthetics etc. notwithstanding.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:31 PM (oKE6c)

200 Should have visited the ancient ruins of Palmyra when I had the chance. Seriously though, that is gonna be destroyed.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 20, 2015 03:26 PM (fWAjv)


--------------------------------------


Yup. Better hurry up and get to Europe, especially England. For the same reason.

Posted by: Forrest Gump at May 20, 2015 03:32 PM (/HX7u)

201 Hopefully the occupied territories of Asia Minor; the land the Turks stole.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:32 PM (nDPoN)

202 "when ISIS is done with Syria and Iraq, who's Next? You know they're not going to stop"

Jobs! They need jobs!

Posted by: Marie Harf, Houri-in-Waiting at May 20, 2015 03:32 PM (M97F+)

203
The only way a gay person could change my mind about gay marriage is if they could guarantee me a hook up with a smoking hot bridesmaid.
Posted by: Cruzinator
and her lesbian girlfriend

Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 03:32 PM (wAQA5)

204

"Foot fetishers and fans of shibari should complain that their fetish is not treated with as much respect as homosexuality."


Yeah, everyone laughs at me.

Posted by: Rex Ryan at May 20, 2015 03:32 PM (OD2ni)

205 "There are gay and bi Morons in Good Standing who just get casually slurred because no one thinks twice about them being people."

Posted by: Bandersnatch, now ha at May 20, 2015 03:19 PM (JtwS4)

And there are Catholic Morons who are slurred, and Jewish, and Baptist and Irish and Black and Chinese and.......

We are equal opportunity slurrers.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2015 03:32 PM (Zu3d9)

206 Yes of course, maybe I'm pulling in too much of the hard sciences. But anytime there's government money to be had, or an agenda to be forwarded, all bets are off.

And everything is political now, absolutely everything.


Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 20, 2015 03:32 PM (XmOA9)

207 If you want to understand how farcical gay marriage gained ground read the asch conformity experiment of the 50s and try to imagine the same experiment nowadays where everybodys opinions are out there via social networks and word of mouth. In the 50s it gave incredible conformity results, nowadays it would be devastating. All millennials are shit scared of the opinion of their peers.

Posted by: fromabroad at May 20, 2015 03:32 PM (rnV3B)

208 Off sock

Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 03:32 PM (/HX7u)

209 183 Ace,

Politico and Retraction watch (who broke this story) both report the survey company was Quatrics: a massive well respected company that contracts to do survey work.

Basically something this large would likely require qualtrics help to actually implement (put differently, I can build a simple qualtrics survey, but the only people who could building something things large and complex work for Qualtrics.)

When they called qualtrics they said "we never helped anyone do this. Also our software doesn't do [assessment X.]"
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet)


Exactly!

The study purportedly involved 11,000 people. That's an INSANELY HUGE survey sample.

The company that supposedly conducted the survey said, when asked about it for the first time, "WHAT???!??! First of all, we didn't do any such survey. Secondly, we couldn't do that even if asked -- too big."

The whole thing was faked, faked, faked.

Posted by: zombie at May 20, 2015 03:33 PM (jBuUi)

210 From the known-bad studies to contradictory or meaningless results, and from the sheer absurdity of results coming from openly biased sources, *and* from serious reviews done by serious scientists of the quality of studies done over many years, pretty much you're depending on blind luck if you're taking the results of scientific studies at face value.

Even if you read the actual study and not the grossly distorted news accounts thereof.

Science, as a community dedicated to quality output, is a shambles, and has a far better reputation than it deserves.

The mistake is the cultural assumption that a scientist is somehow a better class of person than a used car salesman, combined with the tendency of people outside the field to simply accept any statement they agree with.

People in scientific fields talk about rigorous standards and testing, they just often don't do it.

Climate and medicine, as fields, are absolutely awash with this - "social science" is, I think, dominated by it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 20, 2015 03:33 PM (bLnSU)

211 And there are Catholic Morons who are slurred, and Jewish, and Baptist and Irish and Black and Chinese and.......

We are equal opportunity slurrers.


"Puritanical" is a pretty common insult, and kind of annoying for us Calvinists...

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2015 03:34 PM (a42f0)

212 I am seeing a whole new line of health care products:

Taint.

"Taint Drops. For when your brown eye is blue."

"Taint Scrub"

"Taint Mints".

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 20, 2015 03:34 PM (gAghB)

213
I'll say this much about the "one conversation changes minds" meme. I've been practicing a version of it for years.

When I take anti-gun noobs to the range.

Used to tell them that a single range trip won't change their mind, people don't just change their minds like flipping a switch, they're not going to become a gun nut and suddenly start voting GOP just because they touched a gun. But I argued that I simply wanted to ensure that when they develop an opinion on the physical experience of shooting a gun, it's based on personal experience and not hearsay. Got about half of them to show up with that argument.

After the smoke cleared and we were driving home, almost every one asked to go shooting again. Which of course, I knew would happen, because I'm a sneaky, deceitful bastard.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 20, 2015 03:34 PM (lpeQC)

214 So, are we all happier, living in the Leftist Obama Paradise?

I'm looking for the happy.

I can't see any.

Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 03:34 PM (M97F+)

215 On the occasions when I've been harangued by petition-wielding SJW's, my wife always grabs my arm and steers me away. A couple trips to a Farmer's Market back when we were dating inform her actions. I'll debate, loudly, with any of them, which is not socially acceptable, but to do otherwise is not (to me) morally acceptable.

Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 03:34 PM (2cS/G)

216 Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:31 PM (oKE6c)

It's interesting that while the use of condoms and "safe sex" in general has risen, we still have pretty much the same rate of STDs.

Without that reservoir, my guess is that the background rate would have plummeted.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2015 03:34 PM (Zu3d9)

217 There wouldn't be any public problem if this wasn't
elevated to the most glorified fetish of all time, worthy of federal subsidies, worthy of admiration, worthy of infinite praise.


Yeah its pretty pathetic and ridiculous. But I asked a question on facebook yesterday that only gone one answer (a leftist mumbling about majorities oppressing). The question is this:

The social contract states that we all give up minor, non-critical liberties to live in a society that benefits us all greater than the liberties we've surrendered. So your right to free speech is limited in its expression by how much it will damage people, for example.

In such a society, at what point does the demands of a very small group of people cross the line? When is someone demanding too much of free expression of minor, non-critical liberty, in a way that begins to damage and erode the general liberty of the rest of society?

Because there has to be a limit, right? There has to be a point at which you say "well maybe you have a point, but in order to have a society, you have to give that up," right?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:35 PM (39g3+)

218 Taint Bleach

Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 03:36 PM (wAQA5)

219
People are not computer programs. We're complex and varied and confusing. People are contradictory and confused.

That sounds like you're agreeing with me. I certainly agree with you on this.

I often find this Fitzgerald quote enlightening:

Begin with an individual, and before you know it you find that you have created a type; begin with a type, and you find that you have created--nothing. That is because we are all queer fish, queerer behind our faces and voices than we want any one to know or than we know ourselves

Posted by: Bandersnatch, now half gay at May 20, 2015 03:36 PM (JtwS4)

220 211 And there are Catholic Morons who are slurred, and Jewish, and Baptist and Irish and Black and Chinese and.......

We are equal opportunity slurrers.


"Puritanical" is a pretty common insult, and kind of annoying for us Calvinists...
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2015 03:34 PM (a42f0)

It was foreordained, man. Nothing you can do.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2015 03:36 PM (mx5oN)

221 These kinds of shenanigans taint the Scientific Method.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:37 PM (nDPoN)

222 zombie, ok, fake

it's just one example of leftist deceit and propaganda

the main thing now is to find out how many more studies like this have been faked

one is a blip, two is luck, but three is an emerging pattern...

Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 03:37 PM (M97F+)

223 Butt Buddy Fudges Study!!!!

Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2015 03:37 PM (MDgS8)

224
What difference, at this point, does it make?/1!?!1!1?!/!!???/1

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 20, 2015 03:38 PM (HSmrB)

225 Begin with an individual, and before you know it you find that you have created a type; begin with a type, and you find that you have created--nothing. That is because we are all queer fish, queerer behind our faces and voices than we want any one to know or than we know ourselves

I know this isn't what he meant by queer but I've never found myself wanting so much as a sip of penis.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2015 03:38 PM (mx5oN)

226 Posted by: zombie at May 20, 2015 03:33 PM (jBuUi)

Qualtrics could have easily found 11k people. They survey for tons of the Fortune 500.

But this was supposedly a canvas, meaning a qualtrics panel won't work (since you have to go to the person.)

Also I don't think quatrics can do some of the things they're claiming beyond very manual entry (that is qualtrics can store anything, the question is how hard do you have to work to get the data in there.)

Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at May 20, 2015 03:38 PM (U8W/7)

227 This is a multi cultural blog. We reserve the right to insult anyone. We also have standards. and will defend the right of anyone to be offended. But if you like coming here, I think we all know the reality, and it ain't politically correct. Bitch if you want, I dare you! This is Ace's place!!!

Posted by: Freddy the freeloader (formerly Dennis) at May 20, 2015 03:38 PM (FIvdS)

228 "Puritanical" is a pretty common insult, and kind of annoying for us Calvinists...

Yeah its something you just put up with because the ignorance about puritans is pretty much almost absolute. Its become a term to refer to prudish extremists who oppose all fun and creativity in their zealotry for an absolute purity, and that's nothing what the actual puritans were like. I mean, they were the only people who'd write love letters to their wives instead of their mistresses at the time. But its a huge uphill battle.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:38 PM (39g3+)

229
Four is enema action!

Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2015 03:38 PM (MDgS8)

230 when ISIS is done with Syria and Iraq, who's Next?

Jordan and Lebanon. The object is to encircle Israel so the foot soldiers of allah can be trucked to Israel's borders by land convoy. No need for nukes, and the fallout that would result.

Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 03:38 PM (UUGLL)

231
And there are Catholic Morons who are slurred, and Jewish, and Baptist and Irish and Black and Chinese and.......

We are equal opportunity slurrers.


Well, the Joos generally bring it on themselves with all the anti-Semitism.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, now half gay at May 20, 2015 03:38 PM (JtwS4)

232 184 I have a question... (waves hand in the air frantically)

Why is it that real science is often wrong, yet fake science is always "settled"?

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 20, 2015 03:26 PM (BZAd3)



Exactly.


At one time, conservation of parity (simplistically, that in principle, there is no preferred direction, no fundamental difference between up and down, left and right, etc.) was part of the pantheon of fundamental principles underlying physics, on a par with conservation of energy and of angular momentum.


Comes 1956, two Chinese physicists at NBS (now NIST) found that 60-Co nuclei DO somehow know up from down, to everyone's astonishment. This led to the downfall of the conservation of parity, and a Nobel Prize (a real one) for these two guys.


Now NOTHING the leftists are pushing is anywhere near as settled science as the conservation of parity. Not even close.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:39 PM (oKE6c)

233 As for common slurs, yeah, this is the place for them. Nobody thinks twice about characterizing all New Englanders as Liberal pussies, adhering to the stereotype, but mention that all Southerners are illiterate inbreds , also adhering to a stereotype, and everybody gets their panties in a wad. Probably because their Daddy's fucked them so much, it warps the mind.

Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 03:39 PM (2cS/G)

234 220 211 And there are Catholic Morons who are slurred, and Jewish, and Baptist and Irish and Black and Chinese and.......

We are equal opportunity slurrers.


"Puritanical" is a pretty common insult, and kind of annoying for us Calvinists...
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2015 03:34 PM (a42f0)

It was foreordained, man. Nothing you can do.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2015 03:36 PM (mx5oN)


But because you're fun to watch, I'll let you think you're calling the shots. Hilarity ensues, up here... GOD

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 03:39 PM (sdxPm)

235 <i>Whenever Science gets into bed with Politics, Science winds up taking it
up the ass and then being kicked out the door at 3 am like a dirty
smelly whore.</i>



Oh Snap!

Posted by: Faggy Fairy Pants at May 20, 2015 03:39 PM (giH6W)

236 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 20, 2015 03:34 PM (lpeQC

Absolutely! You may not turn an anti-gun zealot into a wild-eyed pistol waver, but you can take the ignorant and show them a good time, and minds are changed, if only a little.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 20, 2015 03:39 PM (XmOA9)

237 "Yeah, there would be a public problem, as male homosexuality is a public health problem"

for the first time in my life, I was being mindlessly generous. Even shibari has got a public problem since once in a while one person dies of asphyxia.

The gay mafia has been masterful in making everyone believe that they are fragile princesses waiting for a king in a shiny armour (the government, led by the gay groupies) that protects them because they are so sensitive beings and feel emotions more than anyone else.

I used to believe this crap when I was 13-14 and then I stopped when I have heard some documentaries on the Gay Liberation front's agenda and motives.

Most people tho are still under this mental conditioning that gays are damsels in distress who constantly need red cross aid to survive.

Media and Hollywood do not help.

Posted by: fromabroad at May 20, 2015 03:39 PM (rnV3B)

238 What was done in science's mouth was an irregularity. Try again in an hour?

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 20, 2015 03:39 PM (01cYD)

239 So, are we all happier, living in the Leftist Obama Paradise?

I'm looking for the happy.

I can't see any.Posted by: Feh.......................Oh, it will be nothing but happy happy happy in Gay Divorce Court.

Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 03:39 PM (wAQA5)

240 Supposedly there has been an increase in reports of ISIS around the Golan Heights and Israel is increasing its forces accordingly.

Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:39 PM (RJMhd)

241 "That reservoir"

As in "just the tip"?

Posted by: anon a mouse at May 20, 2015 03:39 PM (C9pBZ)

242 If Kate Upton was my sister I may could be convinced that incest is not an abnormal sexual desire.

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 03:40 PM (8cSVB)

243
The study purportedly involved 11,000 people. That's an INSANELY HUGE survey sample.
Posted by: zombie




And they were claiming a huge retest percentage, which is unheard of.

Which goes to the question of was the survey paid, which RW gets into. Paid surveys can get great response rates because monies, but LeCour said -- nope -- didn't use the funding for that.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 03:40 PM (kdS6q)

244
"There are gay and bi Morons in Good Standing who just get casually
slurred because no one thinks twice about them being people."


They can come sit over here with us Spinster Morons, who get formally slurred because we're unpeople. We've got gin.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 20, 2015 03:40 PM (ZKzrr)

245 "That reservoir"


As in "just the tip"?


Enz.

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 20, 2015 03:40 PM (gAghB)

246 I believe articles like this put dirty, smelly whores who take it in the ass and are kicked out at 3:00AM in a bad light.

Although some elitists would look down on these individuals, I believe society holds a special place for those who raise their asses in acceptance.

Let's try to be more sensitive to the different members of the whole who choose to serve in capacities they are uniquely suited to their talents.

Posted by: jwest at May 20, 2015 03:40 PM (9ZZd+)

247 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 20, 2015 03:33 PM (bLnSU)


--------------------------------------


I look at it a bit simpler. What's happening in this day and age is the same thing that was happening in the dark-ages and medevial times with the church oppressing science. Except now, the rolls are reversed.

Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 03:40 PM (/HX7u)

248 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:31 PM (39g3+)


The "born this way" argument was always tactical. Homosexuality has always been seen as at least partially a choice, hence the radical feminist claim that lesbianism is some sort of political statement.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 20, 2015 03:41 PM (MW1Qb)

249 Keeping track of prejudices is SUCH a hassle... who's in, what's out, proper labels...

I keep it simple and hate EVERYONE, without regard to race, religion, ethnicity, sexual preference, politics, ice cream type, favorite color, etc.

{I hate you all}

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 20, 2015 03:41 PM (y/p2Y)

250 prudish extremists who oppose all fun and creativity

So, Baptists

Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 03:41 PM (S+el1)

251 It's interesting that while the use of condoms and
"safe sex" in general has risen, we still have pretty much the same rate
of STDs.

Without that reservoir, my guess is that the background rate would have plummeted.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2015 03:34 PM (Zu3d9)


Yep. Smallpox? Gone. Polio? Gone. Clap? Doing just fine, thanks for asking.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:41 PM (oKE6c)

252 Spinsters and gin.

Now THERE'S happy.

Posted by: Feh, who can now die happy at May 20, 2015 03:41 PM (M97F+)

253 If Kate Upton was my sister I may could be convinced that incest is not an abnormal sexual desire.

I confess that having her as a sister might be exceptionally challenging to my moral standards. Just having her as my friend's wife would make life difficult.

Some girls are too hot for their own good, or anyone else's for that matter.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:42 PM (39g3+)

254 I look at it a bit simpler. What's happening in this
day and age is the same thing that was happening in the dark-ages and
medevial times with the church oppressing science. Except now, the rolls
are reversed.

Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 03:40 PM (/HX7u)


And the church never actually oppressed science. In fact, often times it was the strongest supporter of science.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 20, 2015 03:42 PM (MW1Qb)

255 They can come sit over here with us Spinster Morons, who get formally slurred because we're unpeople. We've got gin.

I thought you all drank cheap Chardonnay.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2015 03:42 PM (mx5oN)

256
If Kate Upton was my sister I may could be convinced that incest is not an abnormal sexual desire.


Jennifer Connelly would make me cross that line.

Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2015 03:42 PM (MDgS8)

257
And this feels like something I've typed before, but if I made up a bunch of bullshit at my job and put it in the reports I generate, I'd be looking at prison time.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 20, 2015 03:42 PM (ZKzrr)

258 250 prudish extremists who oppose all fun and creativity

So, Baptists
Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 03:41 PM (S+el1)

(You left out slave owning). Ducks....

Posted by: kraken at May 20, 2015 03:42 PM (sdxPm)

259 If Kate Upton was your sister, we'd be very close friends. Or something

Posted by: anon a mouse at May 20, 2015 03:43 PM (C9pBZ)

260 I'm always optimistic that one day I'll be disappointed.

Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 03:43 PM (M97F+)

261
Keeping track of prejudices is SUCH a hassle... who's in, what's out, proper labels...

I keep it simple and hate EVERYONE, without regard to race, religion, ethnicity, sexual preference, politics, ice cream type, favorite color, etc.

{I hate you all}

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 20, 2015 03:41 PM (y/p2Y)








Ah yes. The Misanthrope's Mantra.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 20, 2015 03:43 PM (lpeQC)

262 I can probably turn someone around who never played golf because they think it's stupid . Of course that doesn't involve blowing another guy so it's much easier to convince.

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 03:43 PM (8cSVB)

263 From the known-bad studies to contradictory or
meaningless results, and from the sheer absurdity of results coming from
openly biased sources, *and* from serious reviews done by serious
scientists of the quality of studies done over many years, pretty much
you're depending on blind luck if you're taking the results of
scientific studies at face value.

Even if you read the actual study and not the grossly distorted news accounts thereof.

Science, as a community dedicated to quality output, is a shambles, and has a far better reputation than it deserves.

The
mistake is the cultural assumption that a scientist is somehow a better
class of person than a used car salesman, combined with the tendency of
people outside the field to simply accept any statement they agree
with.

People in scientific fields talk about rigorous standards and testing, they just often don't do it.

Climate and medicine, as fields, are absolutely awash with this - "social science" is, I think, dominated by it.


Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 20, 2015 03:33 PM (bLnSU)


Absolutely. Consider the concept of "peer reviewed" journals that are the repository for all this so-called science these people are doing. If everyone is already predisposed to believing in an outcome, the game is double rigged. The study authors can make up whatever they want, the journals can then "review" it, and declare it genuine SCIENCE!

Who is to say it's not? Nobody, that's who. And certainly not you God-bothering Christianist homo-haters.


With every passing day, the movie Idiocracy looks more and more like a documentary of the future.

Posted by: GS 13/14 NSA Clerks and Secretaries at May 20, 2015 03:43 PM (TOk1P)

264
They can come sit over here with us Spinster Morons, who get formally slurred because we're unpeople. We've got gin.

Gin, you say? OK, I self-identify as bi for the duration of this thread.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, now half gay at May 20, 2015 03:44 PM (JtwS4)

265
People are not computer programs.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor




Actually Dave, I am a computer program.

I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it I can sing it for you.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 03:44 PM (kdS6q)

266 If Kate Upton was my sister I may could be convinced that incest is not an abnormal sexual desire.

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 03:40 PM (8cSVB)


What's your mother look like?

Posted by: Robert Heinlein at May 20, 2015 03:44 PM (MW1Qb)

267 262 I can probably turn someone around who never played golf because they think it's stupid . Of course that doesn't involve blowing another guy so it's much easier to convince.
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 03:43 PM (8cSVB)

Not the way I play it!

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at May 20, 2015 03:44 PM (mx5oN)

268 258, there goes the neighborhood....

Posted by: anon a mouse at May 20, 2015 03:44 PM (C9pBZ)

269 Funny how the only thing the Middle East has of value is the ruins left by actual civilizations thousands of years ago.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:44 PM (nDPoN)

270 The truth is you can mock and tease people without dehumanizing them. Its a foolish leftist lie to say that if you pick on someone you think they are less than human. Generally you pick on people because you recognize they are human. If your dog was homosexual, you wouldn't tease him about it, because... he's a dog and doesn't know what the heck you're saying.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:44 PM (39g3+)

271 Those quotes are the language of academia but not really meant to be read. Someone who spoke that language realized it was Louis Carroll level gibberish. People get paid to write that shit, you know? We are not a serious culture.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at May 20, 2015 03:44 PM (AMUZ1)

272 So sending Abu Sayyaf his complimentary bowl of raisins did not, in fact, slow ISIS down.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 20, 2015 03:44 PM (01cYD)

273 Don't listen to me though, I don't even know how to change an old sock.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2015 03:45 PM (TOk1P)

274 Co-Author of Sociological Study on Attitudes Towards Homosexuality Retracts His Private Part Immediately, After "Irregularities" In His Co-Author's Bowel Movements Are Exposed

Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 03:45 PM (wAQA5)

275 If Kate Upton was my sister I may could be convinced that incest is not an abnormal sexual desire.


Jennifer Connelly would make me cross that line.

Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2015 03:42 PM (MDgS8


Holy hell, men! You do know that hot sisters have hot friends, right?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 20, 2015 03:46 PM (XmOA9)

276
Funny how the only thing the Middle East has of value is the ruins left by actual civilizations thousands of years ago.


And oil they can't get out of the ground by themselves.

Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2015 03:46 PM (MDgS8)

277 Link for supplementary data from the study...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/kw4gdz7

Posted by: RioBravo at May 20, 2015 03:46 PM (NUqwG)

278 They can come sit over here with us Spinster Morons, who get formally slurred because we're unpeople. We've got gin.

How 'bout us bitter confirmed batchelors? I gots me some tequila...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at May 20, 2015 03:46 PM (DT3rQ)

279 Retract private part=coitus interruptus?

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:46 PM (nDPoN)

280 "Because there has to be a limit, right? There has to be a point at which you say "well maybe you have a point, but in order to have a society, you have to give that up," right?"

The limit is whatever the left states as the limit. If the left states that to protect gays we must make churches illegal, then be it.

This is the problem of cutting a deadly deal with leftists, they do not negotiate, they never negotiate. So it is massively stupid to even sit down with them.

It is surprisingly heart warming that a country like Romania, keeps on rejecting even civil partnership unions and even rectified the constitution to write that marriage is between man and woman (in 2009).

And it is not because they are strong believers, they are children of communism.

Posted by: fromabroad at May 20, 2015 03:47 PM (rnV3B)

281 "Who is to say it's not? Nobody, that's who."

One reason for this is simply time. Everybody wants everything right now. Who wants to take the time to fact-check or try to duplicate results when it takes time you could be spending on your own research, which is the only thing that's rewarded?

Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 03:47 PM (M97F+)

282 244
"There are gay and bi Morons in Good Standing who just get casually
slurred because no one thinks twice about them being people."

They can come sit over here with us Spinster Morons, who get formally slurred because we're unpeople. We've got gin.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 20, 2015 03:40 PM (ZKzrr)


Ooh! Ooh! Can I join the get-slurred party?

Posted by: A Poor Moron at May 20, 2015 03:47 PM (vgIRn)

283 Ridicule is a social policing mechanism, and valuable in that role. The only alternative is to enforce social norms through legislation, or to have no social norms at all.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:47 PM (oKE6c)

284 Holy hell, men! You do know that hot sisters have hot friends, right?

Wouldn't it make sense to aim below the Hotness Apex in those situations to optimize your chances?

Or so I'm told.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at May 20, 2015 03:47 PM (DT3rQ)

285 The older I get the more I'm convinced by evidence that homosexuality is a mental illness and there is nothing you can say at this point that would convince me otherwise.

Posted by: gdonovan at May 20, 2015 03:47 PM (Ipxoj)

286 And the church never actually oppressed science.

Not as an organization, no. Some powerful members of the church sometimes had a problem with some scientific efforts but it was never a theological or official stance. Christians tend to embrace science (and the biggest names in science such as Pasteur and Newton were Christians) because we're so confident we're right that eventually science will agree with us.

Jennifer Connelly would make me cross that line.

Maybe circa Hot Spot or Career Opportunities. She has done unpleasant things to her face over the years and has done so much HGH she looks like leather.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:48 PM (39g3+)

287 They can come sit over here with us Spinster Morons, who get formally slurred because we're unpeople. We've got gin.


How 'bout us fubo fellas? I've got bourbon to share.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 20, 2015 03:48 PM (JO9+V)

288 278, and some brandy here (if we're going full southern spinster, add some peach melba)

Posted by: anon a mouse at May 20, 2015 03:48 PM (C9pBZ)

289 Maybe circa Hot Spot or Career Opportunities. She has done unpleasant things to her face over the years and has done so much HGH she looks like leather.

She went from distinctive to cookie-cutter sometime after A Beautiful Mind. A shame, really.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at May 20, 2015 03:48 PM (DT3rQ)

290 279, nah, shrinkage...

Posted by: anon a mouse at May 20, 2015 03:49 PM (C9pBZ)

291 Holy hell, men! You do know that hot sisters have hot friends, right?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 20, 2015 03:46 PM (XmOA9)


They can join in as well.

Posted by: Robert Heinlein at May 20, 2015 03:49 PM (MW1Qb)

292 Ow my ass.

Posted by: Science at May 20, 2015 03:49 PM (W5DcG)

293 In my opinion ISIS is probably more interested in the airport at Palmyra. Of course they are radical but the Obama Administration has been underestimating their strategy.

Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:49 PM (RJMhd)

294 Fubo?

Posted by: Bandersnatch, now half gay at May 20, 2015 03:49 PM (JtwS4)

295 "Whenever Science gets into bed with Politics, Science winds up taking it up the ass and then being kicked out the door at 3 am like a dirty smelly whore."

G-d, that's beautiful.
Science gets the "Emma" award then?

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at May 20, 2015 03:49 PM (nqiq9)

296 Liberal science is FUBAR? The hell you say?

Back from the start of Fleet Week. Welcomed the Fleet into NYC Harbor.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 20, 2015 03:49 PM (/tNwW)

297 Nice vid of TFG's post racial America over at WZ.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (fWAjv)

298 It is surprisingly heart warming that a country like Romania, keeps on rejecting even civil partnership unions and even rectified the constitution to write that marriage is between man and woman (in 2009).

Romania is strongly Orthodox, even through all the communist years. But mostly they're just common sense sorts that see how ridiculously idiotic the very idea of two dudes marrying is.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (39g3+)

299 Does Palmyra have midnight basketball?

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (nDPoN)

300
I am not a spinster yet I have discovered a delicious drink of

Gin

Soda Water (not tonic)

a slice of Cucumber

refreshing and very low cal and carb, summery

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (zOTsN)

301
Maybe circa Hot Spot or Career Opportunities. She has done unpleasant things to her face over the years and has done so much HGH she looks like leather.

Yeah I think she's got that body image thing going on.

Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (MDgS8)

302 Science, as a community dedicated to quality output, is a shambles, and has a far better reputation than it deserves.


The ideal vision of the scientific method, as the public is taught it, is not how science is actually done. Historians and philosophers of science have been pointing this out for something like fifty-odd years (since Thomas Kuhn at least), but it has been only in the last couple years that the general public has begun to realize this.

Notice that the humanities types (at least this humanity-type) are not calling for the abolition of science, just a bit of humility from scientists. I wish that the STEM-types around here would nice enough to acknowledge that there are things worth investigating outside of their fields.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (a42f0)

303 For a $150,000 donation, you will be credited on the film as Big Dick Playa after you rescue SEALs.

Range 15 - The Movie.

https://tinyurl.com/m6lk3cq

Posted by: SMFH at it all at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (OsWis)

304 If anyone here is offended, OOPS! I have been lurking for years, and NOBODY has the right to feel offended. Sure there are disagreements, but everyone is equally offended. If you have thin skin, go hide somewhere. This place is the real deal, and anyone bullshits, they are justifiably called on it . Love this place and I want to be a Moron, (I am not sure about the hobo thing. Val U Rite rocks, until the next morning). well I have been called worse, but it cost me a night in jail..

Posted by: Freddy the freeloader (formerly Dennis) at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (FIvdS)

305 less sugar than wine per drink

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (zOTsN)

306 Maybe Palmyra is where all the JOBS are, DUH

Serious you guys!

Posted by: Marie Harf, ISIS Employment Service Officer at May 20, 2015 03:51 PM (M97F+)

307 Wouldn't it make sense to aim below the Hotness Apex in those situations to optimize your chances?

Or so I'm told.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at May 20, 2015 03:47 PM (DT3rQ)


The thoughts of a man, in a story about a teenager.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 20, 2015 03:51 PM (XmOA9)

308 Back from the start of Fleet Week. Welcomed the Fleet into NYC Harbor. Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 20, 2015 03:49 PM (/tNwW)

Got to do that once. It was a hoot.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at May 20, 2015 03:51 PM (nqiq9)

309 Semi on topic. For those morons that haven't given up TV ( from my cold dead hands) have you noticed that there is no TV show that does not have a gay character.

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 03:52 PM (8cSVB)

310 I will say this once, and won't elaborate for fear of creepers, but my younger sister has been a model since she was about 14. Not big time, local Wedding Guides, one big Kodak commercial, a bunch of mall openings, that sort of thing. She also has a real job and 5 kids. But growing up with her as a sister, always the prettiest girl in class, made me and my older brother into pretty good scrappers. That was the downside. The upside was that her friends were a large part of my dating pool in high school.

Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 03:52 PM (2cS/G)

311
Walking Dead

who is gay on Walking Dead

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:52 PM (zOTsN)

312 Good God, that crap was published in Science? Thereby lowering my already low estimation of one of the go-to science-related journals for journalists. (Nature being the other one.)


Sheesh.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:52 PM (oKE6c)

313 Back from the start of Fleet Week. Welcomed the Fleet into NYC Harbor.


Along with hundreds of hookers

Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 03:53 PM (S+el1)

314 HR- I have Vodka, we could mix it and raise hell for days!!!!

Posted by: Freddy the freeloader (formerly Dennis) at May 20, 2015 03:53 PM (FIvdS)

315 FUBO

Fat

Ugly

Bald

Old

guys.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 20, 2015 03:53 PM (JO9+V)

316 scientists are flocking to fleet week?

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:53 PM (zOTsN)

317 Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 03:52 PM (8cSVB)

All ghey all the time. They really seemed to have kicked it into overdrive the last couple of yrs.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at May 20, 2015 03:54 PM (nqiq9)

318 The upside was that her friends were a large part of my dating pool in high school.

Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 03:52 PM (2cS/G)



SEE!!!!

The Science is Settled!

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 20, 2015 03:54 PM (XmOA9)

319
Notice that the humanities types (at least this
humanity-type) are not calling for the abolition of science, just a bit
of humility from scientists. I wish that the STEM-types around here
would nice enough to acknowledge that there are things worth
investigating outside of their fields.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (a42f0)


The truth is that the humanities are more important than scientific knowledge in the day to day lives of most Americans. The humanities, properly taught, help establish a common culture and identity. Lose that, and you devolve to tribalism.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 20, 2015 03:54 PM (MW1Qb)

320 fox, the strongest proponents of the humanities where I live are the faculty in stem disciplines

the humanities dissolved in the 1970s and have been living off their service teaching load for decades

Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 03:54 PM (M97F+)

321
Progs have limited/retarded recogization of social cues. Silence does not equal acquiesence or approval. It FN means that the adult in the room has just realized that they're conversing with near idiots and wishes to remove themselves from the situation as quickly as possible.

Posted by: Keep Pushin Posie, He likes loves that shie at May 20, 2015 03:55 PM (vmAFq)

322 "Funny how the only thing the Middle East has of value is the ruins left by actual civilizations thousands of years ago."

I have a Christian, western friend who was very much into the middle east about 20 years ago and she travelled the whole north Africa/ME.

Once she got to Palmira (ancient roman site) she said that the ruins were marvellous, better than anything you could see in Italy or Greece. Palmira was a city below sand that has been uncovered.

She arrived there on a van and she visited the ruins, at that times they were considered rubbish by the locals (Syrians or whatever but obviously muslims) and they were throwing trash and rubbish around it because they were not aware of what that was.

she told me that there were 2 roman columns, very well preserved and the kids put a rope around them and used it as a net to play a sort of volleyball.

They were completely ignorant of what it was and the value it had.

Shameful to think some of that stuff (assyrians and babilonians artifacts too) are in the hands of subhuman animals.

Irony is I had an art teacher at school during the first gulf war, that was rumoured to be gay. He clearly stated in the classroom that he did not care about dead muslims or americans but the only thing he cared were the birds covered in oil (due to the oil fields being blown up).

nowadays I feel to channel him and say that I care a lot more about the ancient ruins of Palmira or some Assyrian artefact than the homosexuals thrown off the towers.

Posted by: fromabroad at May 20, 2015 03:55 PM (rnV3B)

323 311
Walking Dead

who is gay on Walking Dead
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:52 PM (zOTsN)

They introduced a gay character last season. He was the scout for the community in Arlington.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2015 03:55 PM (mx5oN)

324 Weirdo Science

Posted by: Chet at May 20, 2015 03:55 PM (n5fTN)

325 Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:52 PM (zOTsN)

The black lady with the zombie pets and the white lady who liked the black lady. I think she got killed by eye patch man. I don't really watch the show.

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 03:55 PM (8cSVB)

326
the classically liberal education is too Western, too Male, too hegemonic, too colonial

tis shame

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:55 PM (zOTsN)

327 Social sciences, like the rest of academia, is imply about confirming their biases now. And, like the rest of academia, their bias is hard left.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 20, 2015 03:55 PM (oVJmc)

328 One reason for this is simply time. Everybody wants
everything right now. Who wants to take the time to fact-check or try to
duplicate results when it takes time you could be spending on your own
research, which is the only thing that's rewarded?

Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 03:47 PM (M97F+)


Yep, that's certainly one reason, and it's the main reason that the concept of peer review is so crucial. Not many people can understand the implications of results, if they are outside the field of expertise that is being considered. You only have enough time to read it, and hopefully disseminate the findings within the field. You don't have time to parse the data to figure out if the researchers were hedging or overstating or downright making stuff up. Either peer review takes care of that, or the whole concept collapses.


Which sadly, it has. Especially social "sciences."

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2015 03:55 PM (TOk1P)

329 The humanities, properly taught, help establish a common culture and identity.

Improperly taught, you get blank-studies idiots.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at May 20, 2015 03:55 PM (DT3rQ)

330 Ancient Palmyra falls to ISIS:

https://tinyurl.com/m93gtt2

Josh Earnest says that this is more evidence strategy is working.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 20, 2015 03:56 PM (BZAd3)

331 Humanities are the hardest discipline.
Slave.

Posted by: professor payne at May 20, 2015 03:56 PM (kivUY)

332 I wish that the STEM-types around here would nice
enough to acknowledge that there are things worth investigating outside
of their fields.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (a42f0)


Of course there are.* The problem is when crap - such as this study, and AGW - arrogates to itself the mantle of scientific research. Scientific method does not lend itself to lots of perfectly worthwhile studies.
*Personal note: my minor in college was in the humanities.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 03:56 PM (oKE6c)

333
that's what I get for not keeping up

who is gay on Dora the Explorer

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:56 PM (zOTsN)

334 Have they gathered any info from fleet week? that should result in some blood.

Posted by: Freddy the freeloader (formerly Dennis) at May 20, 2015 03:56 PM (FIvdS)

335 Maybe circa Hot Spot or Career Opportunities. She has done unpleasant things to her face over the years and has done so much HGH she looks like leather.

She was pretty cute in the Rocketeer. Also, in that movie she happens to look like a girl I was pretty entranced with in college, so I am kind of biased...

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2015 03:56 PM (a42f0)

336 One of the chicks on TWD - the one that left the prison with Glen after the Governor attacked - is a lesbian.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2015 03:57 PM (mx5oN)

337 333
that's what I get for not keeping up

who is gay on Dora the Explorer
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:56 PM (zOTsN)

The whole damn show is gay.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (mx5oN)

338 333
that's what I get for not keeping up

who is gay on Dora the Explorer
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:56 PM (zOTsN)

The monkey. All monkeys are gay.

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (8cSVB)

339 OT: Amateur webzine Slate publishes article by William Saletan that states Republicans are just like ISIS because they sound like ISIS. This theory is supported by Republicans say "ISIS claims it is doing this in the name of Islam" and ISIS leaders saying "we are doing this because Islam commands it."

Case closed, Rethuglican warmongers, case closed!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Buy A Malediction, Get an Imaginary Insult Half Off! at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (hLRSq)

340 Walking Dead



who is gay on Walking Dead

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:52 PM (zOTsN)



They introduced a gay character last season. He was the scout for the community in Arlington.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2015 03:55 PM (mx5oN)


Should be noted: Eric and Aaron are in the original comics, and they are gay there too. Not characters the tv producers created.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (TOk1P)

341 Lets have one for social acceptance. ISIL would like to help you.....

Posted by: Freddy the freeloader (formerly Dennis) at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (FIvdS)

342 The ideal vision of the scientific method, as the public is taught it, is not how science is actually done.

Well its a mix, there's still some good science being done out there, but a lot of crap too. Part of the problem is that I think we're nudging up against the outside limits of what we can actually accomplish and know with what we understand right now. So it gets increasingly theoretical, fantastical, and imaginative since you simply can't get beyond a certain point yet. Maybe ever?

Another problem is that while some people seem to think that putting on that white lab coat turns you into an apolitical saint with absolute scrupulous integrity when it comes to your job... scientists are no different than any other work pool. Think about the people you work with. How many are really good at their job? How many work with real integrity and care for the quality? Scientists are no different.

And then there's the Brain Candy effect: where producing something really sexy, popular, and exciting gets you to the real party that's going on in the back room of the official party. The sort of celebrity level that gets you invited on the Daily Show and to testify in congress, and fly to all the really cool conferences. Getting there is worth cutting corners to more than a few people.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (39g3+)

343 Also it's been evident for some time now that they are interested in controlling the Euphrates River.

Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (RJMhd)

344 OAK BROOK, Ill. - McDonald's shut down a restaurant near its headquarters Wednesday after the area was swamped by hundreds of protesters calling for pay of $15 an hour and a union.


What could go wrong?

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 20, 2015 03:59 PM (fWAjv)

345 What is amusing is to hear a social studies type growl, when boxed in by facts and logic, "Hey! back off, man. I'm a scientist!"

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 20, 2015 03:59 PM (JO9+V)

346 Case closed. The Science is settled. Code for shut up, I can't refute your arguments.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 03:59 PM (nDPoN)

347 Josh Earnest says that this is more evidence strategy is working.

They're falling right into our trap!

Posted by: Josh Earmesto at May 20, 2015 03:59 PM (W5DcG)

348 Science is bent to the will of the liberal point of view?

The DEUCE you say.

Posted by: blaster at May 20, 2015 04:00 PM (2Ocf1)

349
The Waco Twin Peaks is having an ISIS recruiting event this weekend!

/sarc/

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 04:00 PM (zOTsN)

350
I haven't watched it much either, but they must at least have a few necrophiles on there, right?

Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 04:00 PM (wAQA5)

351 Is it 'curmudgeonly anthropomorphism' or 'misanthropic curmudgeonism'?

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 20, 2015 04:00 PM (y/p2Y)

352 they want the oil in Northern Iraq. All of it

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 04:00 PM (zOTsN)

353 "The humanities, properly taught, help establish a common culture and identity."

I'd put it differently. What they do at their best is evoke in students the desire to be cultured people.

Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 04:01 PM (M97F+)

354 The older I get the more I'm convinced by evidence that homosexuality is a mental illness and there is nothing you can say at this point that would convince me otherwise.
Posted by: gdonovan at May 20, 2015 03:47 PM (Ipxoj)


------------------------------------------


Agree. Every homo I've ever met is totally consumed by the fact that he's a homo.

Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 04:01 PM (/HX7u)

355 Another problem is that while some people seem to think that putting on that white lab coat turns you into an apolitical saint with absolute scrupulous integrity when it comes to your job... scientists are no different than any other work pool. Think about the people you work with. How many are really good at their job? How many work with real integrity and care for the quality? Scientists are no different.

And then there's the Brain Candy effect: where producing something really sexy, popular, and exciting gets you to the real party that's going on in the back room of the official party. The sort of celebrity level that gets you invited on the Daily Show and to testify in congress, and fly to all the really cool conferences. Getting there is worth cutting corners to more than a few people.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (39g3+)




Excellent comment, and right on target.



Also, to your last point, blowing the whistle on the real party is professional suicide. Who's going to be reviewing - anonymously - your papers and grant proposals, i.e., your source of oxygen? Why, the very people whose parade you just rained on.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 04:01 PM (oKE6c)

356 The older blond who was killed on the Walking Dead was originally the sniper in the comic version.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 04:01 PM (nDPoN)

357 OAK BROOK, Ill. - McDonald's shut down a restaurant near its
headquarters Wednesday after the area was swamped by hundreds of
protesters calling for pay of $15 an hour and a union.


Hitting up a company in a record slump?

BRILLIANT!

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 20, 2015 04:01 PM (oVJmc)

358 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (39g3+)

Don't forget the competition for scarce job slots, the "publish or perish" effect, the desire to return a report that the sponsor of the report will like, and so on.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Buy A Malediction, Get an Imaginary Insult Half Off! at May 20, 2015 04:02 PM (hLRSq)

359 It's a little upsetting, I think, to find out that had we had the wherewithal to intervene to prevent the library at Alexandria from burning, we would have just watched it burn.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 20, 2015 04:03 PM (BZAd3)

360 O/T Ace, but can you amend your excellent name for Herself, that being The Haggard Queen, and add Cuckquean?

The Cuckquean Haggard Queen.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at May 20, 2015 04:03 PM (U6f54)

361 345 What is amusing is to hear a social studies type growl, when boxed in by facts and logic, "Hey! back off, man. I'm a scientist!"

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 20, 2015 03:59 PM (JO9+V)




The funny part is that when someone has the goods, they don't shut down debate. Quite the contrary: they'll bore your balls off with excruciating detail.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 04:03 PM (oKE6c)

362 They introduced a gay character last season. He was the scout for the community in Arlington.

What is "the character least likely to die in the series," Alex?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 04:03 PM (39g3+)

363
The monkey. All monkeys are gay.
Posted by: Cruzinator
...................................
So that's why they shave their butts.

Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 04:03 PM (wAQA5)

364 What do I care who owns the oil in Iraq? When they sell it on the same market.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 04:03 PM (nDPoN)

365 the whole thing is beyond awful. awful

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 04:03 PM (zOTsN)

366 It's almost like they're narcissists, Soona!

Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2015 04:04 PM (kivUY)

367 Of course there are.* The problem is when crap - such as this study, and AGW - arrogates to itself the mantle of scientific research. Scientific method does not lend itself to lots of perfectly worthwhile studies.
*Personal note: my minor in college was in the humanities.


Not STEM-type, I am sure. The person I am mostly thinking about is Amishdude, but it does seem like there are an awful lot of folks among the horde that are quick to advocate defunding the humanities because they don't lead to jobs right away, etc. One person suggested getting rid of history majors because anybody can learn history from reading a book...

I don't usually take it very seriously, but it gets kind of old after awhile, that's all.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2015 04:04 PM (a42f0)

368 Agree. Every homo I've ever met is totally consumed by the fact that he's a homo.

Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 04:01 PM (/HX7u)


My company just hired a guy who is a like a "name"
in our industry. I google him twitter comes up first (that's usually a bad sign).

Go to his profile it says "Software developer. [Industry]. Gay....."

Oooh boy.

Posted by: blaster at May 20, 2015 04:04 PM (2Ocf1)

369
who is gay on Walking Dead?
Posted by: ThunderB




Look for the zombie whose shirt and socks are color coordinated....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 04:04 PM (kdS6q)

370 I wish that the STEM-types around here would nice enough to acknowledge that there are things worth investigating outside
of their fields. Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2015 03:50 PM (a42f0)

Just because your an STEM type (I'm an engineer) doesn't mean you don't have interests outside your field. However, when some pseudo-scientific, ego-bloated numb nuts tries to piggyback his / her screwball theories on the back of principles that you have spent your life studying, and they obviously (and totally) hack the fuck out of it, then you are obligated to speak out and correct the misconceptions.

I, for one, love history and theology. Now that I'm older, I probably spend more time studying those subjects than I do my chosen profession.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at May 20, 2015 04:04 PM (nqiq9)

371 Also it's been evident for some time now that they are interested in controlling the Euphrates River.
Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (RJMhd)


---------------------------------------


It's because they want to control all the phrate.

Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 04:05 PM (/HX7u)

372 Also, to your last point, blowing the whistle on the real party is
professional suicide. Who's going to be reviewing - anonymously - your
papers and grant proposals, i.e., your source of oxygen? Why, the very
people whose parade you just rained on.




Nicely mixed metaphors! +1

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 20, 2015 04:05 PM (JO9+V)

373 Holy hell, men! You do know that hot sisters have hot friends, right?


All crazy, all the time.

Rule #1........

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 20, 2015 04:05 PM (gAghB)

374 who is gay on Dora the Explorer
Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 03:56 PM (zOTsN)

The whole damn show is gay.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 20, 2015 03:58 PM (mx5oN)


Meh.

The real question for Dora is....carpet or hardwood?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 20, 2015 04:05 PM (V+kmg)

375 The solution for Seattle's $15 / hour minimum wage seems to be closing some restaurants and automating others.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 04:05 PM (nDPoN)

376 I seem to recall some bullshit from sociology 101 about Labelling Theory, how on the one hand you want to be able to describe a thing, and it's best done by giving it a name or label.
OTOH, you don't want a negative label to become a self-fulfilling prophesy by stigmatizing a person or group. No Negative Labels, yo!

Now, STFU, you knuckle-dragging, 12 tooth, Bible-thumping, Rethugglikkkan gun nuts.

Irony, or hypocrisy?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 20, 2015 04:05 PM (XmOA9)

377 BREAKING...

Co-author of "report" revealed to be ravenous homosexual...

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 20, 2015 04:06 PM (oFCZn)

378 Dam auto-commissar, 'Curmudgeonly Misanthropism'

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 20, 2015 04:06 PM (y/p2Y)

379 Ironocrisy

Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2015 04:06 PM (MDgS8)

380 The older blond who was killed on the Walking Dead was originally the sniper in the comic version.


Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 04:01 PM (nDPoN)


Holy cow, did you just call Laurie Holden "the older blonde?"

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2015 04:07 PM (TOk1P)

381 McDonald's is a racist company that hates white people.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 04:07 PM (nDPoN)

382 The chick from "Yes, Dear", Jean Kelly, and another actress whose name I don't remember right now but you'd all recognize, were in my sister's dance/modeling/etc. programs. Furthest I got with Jean Kelly was playing Trivial Pursuit and drinking wine coolers in a tree fort. The other chick, a blondish redhead (can't believe I can't remember her name), faced off against me in an Academic Olympics in eighth grade and lost, so she hated me forever.

Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 04:07 PM (2cS/G)

383 Femynysts (including idiot Claire McCaskill) outraged over Game of Thrones rape scene.

Hopes for blue-on-blue bloodbath in the offing...

http://tinyurl.com/kuld3l2

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 20, 2015 04:07 PM (oVJmc)

384
"Jennifer Connelly would make me cross that line."



Ass to Ass!!!

Posted by: The Old Guy in Requiem for a Dream at May 20, 2015 04:08 PM (OD2ni)

385 Case closed. The Science is settled. Code for shut up, I can't refute your arguments.

Usually that means "I don't really know anything about it but I'm sure its right and these guys who know more say it is, so you're wrong, shut up."

Don't forget the competition for scarce job slots, the "publish or perish" effect, the desire to return a report that the sponsor of the report will like, and so on.

Yeah, that's definitely a major factor too. And like Jay Guevara noted, deviating from the party line gets you ruined and you lose your grants etc. In many, many ways, what is called science these days really is what was called religion in the middle ages.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 04:08 PM (39g3+)

386 Can we insult geologists? They're the Kardashians of science.

Posted by: dr sheldon cooper at May 20, 2015 04:08 PM (kivUY)

387 @382 - no baby-oil stories, eh?

Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at May 20, 2015 04:09 PM (o+SC1)

388 380 Shes 45. There was a younger cuter blonde on there. They killed her also.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 04:09 PM (nDPoN)

389 We should always expect and demand perfection in others

Posted by: Saddam at May 20, 2015 04:10 PM (uwqu2)

390 Femynysts (including idiot Claire McCaskill) outraged over Game of Thrones rape scene.
So, are they going to really hurt HBO, which turns out hit pieces on rethuglickans (doubtful), or is she going to posture and help their ratings with tax payer funded advertising?

Posted by: Blue Hen at May 20, 2015 04:10 PM (Spluw)

391 Key and Peele - Gay Coworker


http://tinyurl.com/m4bctlh

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 20, 2015 04:11 PM (fWAjv)

392 Did yall know Rand Paul is doing a Patriot Act Fillibuster right now?

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 04:11 PM (zOTsN)

393 Re the sidebar - does Vox ever link to Ace?

Posted by: these things I wonder at May 20, 2015 04:11 PM (ZtFr+)

394 Did yall know Rand Paul is doing a Patriot Act Fillibuster right now?

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.... euphemism???

Posted by: fixerupper at May 20, 2015 04:12 PM (8XRCm)

395 Just because your an STEM type (I'm an engineer) doesn't mean you don't have interests outside your field. However, when some pseudo-scientific, ego-bloated numb nuts tries to piggyback his / her screwball theories on the back of principles that you have spent your life studying, and they obviously (and totally) hack the fuck out of it, then you are obligated to speak out and correct the misconceptions.


I'm not bothered by scientists pointing out BS masquerading as science - quite the contrary. I'm talking about people in the STEM fields who dismiss non-STEM areas of investigation as useless simply because they are not science or math-based.

It tends to go along with the idea that education should be primarily utilitarian in nature - i.e., job training only.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2015 04:12 PM (a42f0)

396
no

for reals

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 04:12 PM (zOTsN)

397 its on CSPAN

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 04:12 PM (zOTsN)

398 My industry pretty much banned the use "irregularities." We were told to call fraud with an exclamation point.

Posted by: Eddie Baby at May 20, 2015 04:12 PM (PoTAq)

399 I really hate doing this, and I know the Horde has a legit disdain for GoFundMe, BUT...I could really use some help. Link in nick.

Posted by: Country Singer at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (8hctH)

400 and in the sidebar

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (zOTsN)

401 "game of thrones"

I'm too set in my ways even to type that into a search engine.

Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (M97F+)

402 quick to advocate defunding the humanities because they don't lead to jobs right away, etc.

Anyone that spends 50+ grand in college treating it as a trade school deserves the debt and failure they get. College is not there to get you a job. Its there to get you to think and understand the world better, to increase your intellectual capacity and make you a better person, citizen, and leader. That can lead to a job, but that's not the goal, its a byproduct.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (39g3+)

403 I read the first 100 or so comments and didn't see this mentioned -

This study was featured on This American Life a couple weeks ago. They actually had someone demonstrate how the process was supposed to work. They now have a retraction up with more details of how the study was supposedly conducted and how the falsification was discovered.

Posted by: chad at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (gic3/)

404 Shes 45. There was a younger cuter blonde on there. They killed her also.


Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 04:09 PM (nDPoN)


45 sounds about right. She's smokin' hot is all I know. But yeah, they do seem to kill of their blondes on that show.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (TOk1P)

405 I promise I won't Filibuster in your mouth.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (nDPoN)

406 >>>Can we insult geologists? They're the Kardashians of science.<<<

If geologists are the Kardashians of science, just what the hell are anthropologists? I'm thinking straight up hobos.

Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (ty633)

407 It's only a filibuster if he prevents anything else from being considered. He has not do so yet.

this report was brought to you be out friendly Capitol Hilk correspondent, who shall remain nameless

Posted by: The Barrel at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (V+kmg)

408
The chick from "Yes, Dear", Jean Kelly....Furthest I was playing Trivial Pursuit and drinking wine coolers in a tree fort.
Posted by: LincolnTf




If you would have instead said Jean Kelly, the curly hair teen girl from Uncle Buck, you'd have been deluged with requests for details.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (kdS6q)

409 "Did yall know Rand Paul is doing a Patriot Act Fillibuster right now?"

Unfortunately, While Rand is in front of the cameras, the ninety gazzion functionaries in congress are on the phones, talking in the hallways, sending emails, sitting in committee hearings, closed door meetings, make deals.

Nothing is being stopped.

Posted by: Gerry Sitwell at May 20, 2015 04:14 PM (UUGLL)

410
Did yall know Rand Paul is doing a Patriot Act Fillibuster right now?
Posted by: ThunderB
..................................
I hope he is logged onto AoS and reading these comments out loud one by one.

Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 04:14 PM (wAQA5)

411 of course Peter King is having a fit

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 04:14 PM (zOTsN)

412 Femynysts (including idiot Claire McCaskill) outraged over Game of Thrones rape scene.


that dude is a femynyst?

Posted by: Chet at May 20, 2015 04:14 PM (n5fTN)

413 "Oh I get it. I'm not persecuted. I'm just an asshole."


Wish more people would realize that.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 20, 2015 04:14 PM (fWAjv)

414 Every young person should read How to Lie With Statistics by Darrell Huff.

Some federal employees had this as a part of a statistics course. Some idiot congressperson or media person or something heard about it and decided they were teaching feds to 'lie with statistics'. All employees were told to take the books home. Sigh.

Posted by: Gah! at May 20, 2015 04:15 PM (lIU4e)

415 Whether they would have or not, it is really upsetting to know that the historical sights that ISIS is being allowed to wipe from the face of the earth, won't be there for any other generation in the future.

We are the last.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 20, 2015 04:15 PM (BZAd3)

416 The tree fort night was a couple months before Uncle Buck was released. She talked a little about the shooting, and we all knew she had met John Candy, but that was as far as her workchat went. I still know her best friend from college, I doubt Jean remembers me, but she'd definitely remember that party.

Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 04:16 PM (2cS/G)

417 Mike Lee is joining the filibuster

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 04:16 PM (zOTsN)

418 We see a bright future ahead in the field of Climate change for this LaCour fellow.

Posted by: NASA and IPCC talking heads at May 20, 2015 04:16 PM (cCxiu)

419 Mike Lee is joining the filibuster

....which is not really a fillibuster

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 20, 2015 04:17 PM (V+kmg)

420 Re the sidebar - does Vox ever link to Ace?

If they do, they probably misspell it.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 20, 2015 04:17 PM (oVJmc)

421 its theater. I know

Posted by: ThunderB at May 20, 2015 04:17 PM (zOTsN)

422 If geologists are the Kardashians of science, just what the hell are anthropologists? I'm thinking straight up hobos.


Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2015 04:13 PM (ty633)


It cannot be said enough: Margaret Mead was a complete and utter fraud. And in a manner (and on a topic) not entirely unrelated to this post.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2015 04:17 PM (TOk1P)

423
>>>Can we insult geologists? They're the Kardashians of science.<<<

If geologists are the Kardashians of science, just what the hell are anthropologists? I'm thinking straight up hobos.
Posted by: Fritz
.........................
Here (civil engineering firm) wecall the geotechs Dirt People.

Posted by: wth at May 20, 2015 04:17 PM (wAQA5)

424 The Taliban blew up a bunch of old historical stuff in Afghanistan too. They've done it in places like Southeast Asia as well, its what radical Muslims do.

Its only in the last 50 years or so that Egypt has started to realize that they've been sitting on some of the most awesome, jaw-dropping historical and cultural artifacts in the history of mankind after living in that area for over three thousand years ignoring the big statues around them. Not sure how on earth people do that. Grow up not wondering, not being amazed and wanting to know more.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 04:18 PM (39g3+)

425


Israel Ordered to Pay Iran Over 1989 Legal Battle
Swiss court orders Israel to pay for 1968 oil transport contract Iran cancelled after Iranian Revolution. Israel: we're not paying anything.

Or in hebrew that would be "go pound sand"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 20, 2015 04:18 PM (/tNwW)

426 Will the Ted read Green Eggs and Ham again?

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 20, 2015 04:18 PM (nDPoN)

427 You people know that lying about a Black Presdent is a Federal Crime! Just Warning you people !!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at May 20, 2015 04:18 PM (lNSdJ)

428 heeb, if you care about "the next generation," you're in the minority, and you're probably one of those racist fascist nationalist breeder types slated for extinction once we get designer babies down to a science

Posted by: Feh at May 20, 2015 04:19 PM (M97F+)

429 Does anyone else get that Cheney vibe from Cruz?

I think a Walker/Cruz ticket would be interesting, but hard to see how two White Hispanics can beat a pair of Lesbian Vaginas.

Posted by: dude guy at May 20, 2015 04:19 PM (q177U)

430 You people know that lying about a Black Presdent is a Federal Crime! Just Warning you people !!!!!!!!!

You know what else is a crime?

Bad socking.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 20, 2015 04:19 PM (V+kmg)

431 Look, when someone forces their attention on you in a rude fashion, then letting them do so is bad for them.

She wasn't really rude, I just didn't agree with her. People canvass for signatures for all sorts of things in all sorts of places. I just somehow got into a conversation this time.

My point was that people might nod and smile face to face to be polite that is not their true opinion when they get down to voting.

Posted by: Lea at May 20, 2015 04:20 PM (lIU4e)

432 >>Femynysts (including idiot Claire McCaskill) outraged over Game of Thrones rape scene.

Heh, reminds me of that funny video "It's not porn, it's HBO." Are they really so shocked an HBO show - one that's been brimming w/sex and violence for 4 years - had a girl raped?

Rome?
Sopranos?
Bueller?

Posted by: ATMs at May 20, 2015 04:20 PM (c4ru+)

433 Engineering, where the noble semi-skilled laborers execute the vision of those who think and dream. Hello, Oompa Loompas of science!

Posted by: dr sheldon cooper at May 20, 2015 04:21 PM (kivUY)

434 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 04:18 PM (39g3+)

Egypt is an amazing place for a history buff. I was blessed to live in Alexandria for almost a year before the revolution.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 04:21 PM (S+el1)

435
Did yall know Rand Paul is doing a Patriot Act Fillibuster right now?
Posted by: ThunderB
..................................
I hope he is logged onto AoS and reading these comments out loud one by one.


That would probably be the first time that "fuck you up the ass with a pineapple sideways" was read into the congressional record.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, now half gay at May 20, 2015 04:21 PM (JtwS4)

436 Heh, reminds me of that funny video "It's not porn, it's HBO."

National Lampoon had an issue in the early 80s about French Art films and how they aren't porn despite being.. you know, obviously porn. It was incredibly graphic for me as a young teenager, at the time, and hilarious.

"She's masturbating with a feather!"
"No, its art expressing the emptiness of life!"

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 04:21 PM (39g3+)

437 The Swiss the evil of neutrality.

Someone up thread asked where will ISIS go next.

ISIS is testing what the Western world will defend.

And, that is the real question.

Posted by: River Guide at May 20, 2015 04:21 PM (RJMhd)

438 Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 04:16 PM (2cS/G)

I spent time with an actress named Rachel Ryan though acting was a secondary skill in her line of movies.

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 04:22 PM (8cSVB)

439 You people will rue the day when Ace has to go to Disqus to manage comments.

Posted by: Argyle le Bas at May 20, 2015 04:22 PM (UUGLL)

440 You people will rue the day when Ace has to go to Disqus to manage comments.

Posted by: Argyle le Bas at May 20, 2015 04:22 PM (UUGLL)


#TwoWeeks

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 20, 2015 04:23 PM (V+kmg)

441 Israel Ordered to Pay Iran Over 1989 Legal Battle Swiss court orders Israel to pay for 1968 oil transport contract Iran cancelled after Iranian Revolution. Israel: we're not paying anything. Or in hebrew that would be "go pound sand"
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 20, 2015 04:18 PM (/tNwW)


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The world is walking on cracked eggshells right now. A world-war could easily be started by this or anything similar to this. It's just a matter of time now.

Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 04:23 PM (/HX7u)

442 No Disqus!!

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2015 04:23 PM (c4ru+)

443 Can you block idiot Clogginstien posting. A waste of electrons....

Posted by: Maty Clottenstone from Idiotsboro, USSR at May 20, 2015 04:23 PM (4kcWk)

444 amendments matter

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 20, 2015 04:24 PM (0O7c5)

445 I've never known anyone famous or hot. Although Kate Upton follows me on twitter. At least, whoever runs her official twitter feed does.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 04:24 PM (39g3+)

446
Femynysts (including idiot Claire McCaskill) outraged over Game of Thrones rape scene.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 20, 2015 04:10 PM (Spluw)


Ugh. What's annoying is that scene actually makes sense in the context of the show, it isn't gratuitus (There's no nudity or violence, just a close up of a secondary character showing his reaction to the sounds off camera), and it very clearly shows that what is happening is a horrible thing.


Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 20, 2015 04:24 PM (MW1Qb)

447 The world is walking on cracked eggshells right now. A world-war could easily be started by this or anything similar to this. It's just a matter of time now.

Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2015 04:23 PM (/HX7u)


Soona, I think we are in a world war now. We just don't have a catchy name yet.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 04:25 PM (S+el1)

448 NGU: Isreal has taken the leadership of the free world (and associated criticism). I pray for them multiple times daily. GOD help us all, it is coming down soon. And I am Christian.

Posted by: Freddy the freeloader (formerly Dennis) at May 20, 2015 04:25 PM (FIvdS)

449 he world is walking on cracked eggshells right now. A world-war could easily be started by this or anything similar to this.

I cannot help but think of all the books written in the late 1800s and early 1900s that kept warning of a huge war and having their characters avert disastrous war heroically. Sherlock Holmes, for example, several times stopped war. They all saw it coming and WWI eventually exploded over one dumb shooting.

Today just feels very similar.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 20, 2015 04:27 PM (39g3+)

450 Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 04:21 PM (S+el1)

That is cool. The sense of history must have permeated through you. In regard to history, My bucket list includes visiting the pass at Thermopylae .

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 20, 2015 04:27 PM (8cSVB)

451 Nood.

Posted by: dr sheldon cooper at May 20, 2015 04:27 PM (kivUY)

452 Swiss court orders Israel to pay for 1968 oil transport contract Iran cancelled after Iranian Revolution.

Huh? Iran cancelled the contract, and Israel has to pay something? Was there some sort of outstanding fee at the time the contract was cancelled, and Israel refused to hand money over to the whackjobs running Iran? Kinda like how we seaized several destroyers being built for the Shahs' navy, and while the lead ship was the Kidd, they were known as the "Khomeni' class?

Posted by: Blue Hen at May 20, 2015 04:28 PM (Spluw)

453 That would probably be the first time that "fuck you up the ass with a pineapple sideways" was read into the congressional record.

It would certainly lend the joint some much-needed class.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at May 20, 2015 04:29 PM (DT3rQ)

454 Actually, I might agree to Disqus if we got shirts.

Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2015 04:29 PM (zoehZ)

455 My famousness quotient is weak, but starts with a HS friend, really a total douchebag, who had a house in New Seabury, MA next to a vacation home owned by Cyndi Lauper. Saw her scrawny ass lying out on the deck a few times. Other than that, the most famous people I've met/talked at were probably Herschel Walker and the Jamaican Bobsled guys at the Albertville Olympics. I got to sit next to Larry Bird for one quarter of a Bay State Bombardiers game, too, so that counts for something. For coolness by association, I served in the Army with a guy who was eventually neighbors with an Afghan war Vet who received the CMOH. "Sal".

Posted by: LincolnTf at May 20, 2015 04:30 PM (2cS/G)

456 Egypt is an amazing place for a history buff.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 20, 2015 04:21 PM (S+el1)


It certainly is. My now wife and I (then living in Europe) used to go to Egypt for Christmas. Luxor was truly amazing, and right across the Nile was the Valley of the Kings and of the Queens, with all of their ancient tombs.

I wouldn't go there now, as crazed Muslims periodically target tourists, but I'm sure glad I went when I did.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 20, 2015 04:33 PM (oKE6c)

457 Just pulled up images page of Palmyra because I didn't know what it was (other than I'm in my office located on Palmyra Rd. No kidding) and it's easy to see that these ISIS dirtbags could lay waste to that place in about an hour.

If the Iraqis won't stop them, it seems to me that you can mark that place off your todo list.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at May 20, 2015 04:33 PM (X+nFp)

458 Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2015 04:17 PM (TOk1P)

Don't leave out the Leakey family. Took an anthropology class taught by an "upper level" grad student. Dumbest and easiest class I ever took in college.

Anyhoo, the grad student was on a dig via the Leakeys, or their foundation, or some shit like that, and she went on and on every day about them.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at May 20, 2015 05:03 PM (nqiq9)

459 Now NOTHING the leftists are pushing is anywhere near as settled science as the conservation of parity. Not even close.
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Awesome illustration!

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2015 05:06 PM (2mC6G)

460 My duct tape!? .. bring me my duct tape!

Refuse to pay at the McDonalds "first window".

Make them show you the food, before you pay.

We need to regain control of the business proposition, being the consumer and all, so that they are not dragging us around by the d*ck every time that we succumb to the arches allure.

Fuc*'em up and jam up the drive through if you find ANYTHING wrong. Remain calm, do not invest any emotion and remember that they are zombies in waitiong, but encourage "them" to invest emotion, for a change. Who knows, you might be able to do a lawsuit if things work out right.

Use the same diligence that you would at any other restaurant, and perhaps we can help those poor, poor, downtrodden McD's employees actually develop a work ethic and help them learn about how to honestly earn their money. By providing value, duhh!

But, if that doesn't happen, then at the very least we may be able to make every newly rich employee wish that they were working somewhere else, for even half of the money.

Posted by: goon at May 20, 2015 05:08 PM (gy5kE)

461 Boy, he really is dumb. Why would he retrace the paper instead of just using a copier?

Posted by: Cyrus Pants at May 20, 2015 05:54 PM (scDPS)

462 Geez do you suppose there's something queer about the way the phony statistics were gathered?

Posted by: Comanche Voter at May 20, 2015 09:04 PM (Sda6L)

463 So the clown that faked up all the data claimed to have had a survey firm do much of the data collection ... except that he actually did NOT.

So where did the grant money go that was ostensibly for the survey firm's work? Did LaCour keep it? Or otherwise embezzle it?

Inquiring minds want to know if he'll be prosecuted.

Posted by: SmokeHillFarm at May 21, 2015 04:02 AM (3nyE5)

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