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Area Liberal Pundit: Being A Conservative Means You Have To Defend Every Government Program
Ryan Cooper (not Rory Cooper who you should totally follow to make up for my screw up) is a liberal who thinks he’s got a rather clever way to embarrass conservatives into supporting Amtrak (via Hot Air Headlines).
But Republicans, as the ostensible party of conservatism, have an obligation to consider the extant fact of Amtrak, which is a critical institution for millions of Americans. By supposed conservative principles, it is not appropriate to sacrifice the current needs of existing people in pursuit of an ideological utopia. Michael Oakeshott famously described the conservative temperament as follows: To be conservative, then, is to prefer the familiar to the unknown, to prefer the tried to the untried, fact to mystery, the actual to the possible, the limited to the unbounded, the near to the distant, the sufficient to the superabundant, the convenient to the perfect, present laughter to utopian bliss. [On Being Conservative]From there he launches into not only why conservatives must not only leave Amtrak alone but actually increase funding for it. This is typical liberalism. All big government gains are locked in forever and always, while any conservative gains (such as tax cuts) are always on the table to be negotiated. Here’s the problem with Cooper’s use of Oakeshott, he’s relying on philosophical conservatism when Amtrak is mostly an issue of political conservatism. They are related but not the same. As a philosophy, conservatism is about caution. We tend to be leery of big sweeping promises to change complex systems and even the fundamental realities of human nature. We tend to think that society has evolved in a certain way based on innumerable unknowable examples of trial and error. We think it’s the height of folly and hubris to accept that a few self-appointed experts can order things better than the collective wisdom of free people attempting to maximize their personal liberty and happiness. What conservative philosophy does not demand is the unthinking perpetuation of big government programs because “that’s what’s always been done.” This is especially true when “always” means “since 1971”. Cooper himself admits that there are other successful models for running a railroad including, “mostly private [ownership] in Japan.” So what advocates of reforming and even privatizing Amtrak are calling for isn’t some wild experiment in bringing forth a libertarian Utopia. It’s simply acknowledging there are other models that would in fact serve people better (unless rail enthusiasts want to argue that Amtrak is superior to Japan’s rail system). While conservative philosophy provides a cautionary note when faced with upsetting long held positions, it is not an unthinking philosophy that compels devotion to the status quo simply because "that's the way it is and has always been". While we are well served by recognizing the dangers and potential costs of change, it does not mean we should be cowed into supporting things we know to be wrong simply because at some point liberals had enough votes, usually with the help of Republicans, to enact something. We must also be able to discern how important the thing is and act accordingly. For example, conservatives are rightly convinced there are many costs and unknown dangers to throwing over the traditional meaning of marriage on a whim. We were also right when we warned that overthrowing the health insurance market would lead to the exact problems we are seeing in terms of costs and access. It’s funny but liberals never credit conservatives with intellectual modesty in those case. Then conservatives are motivated by hate and a desire to kill the poor. But the real foul Cooper is committing here is conflating conservative philosophy with conservative political programs. “Conservative” in the American political sense tends to mean a vision for government that is more modest in terms of size and scope than establishment Republicans and their close relatives, Democrats and liberals. It’s a political program more in line with the constitutional limits placed on the federal government at the founding. In the political sense, conservatives aren’t Philosopher Kings they are actual politicians and activists. While many of their positions are grounded in a conservative philosophy, the things they wish to conserve have been diluted or discarded. In the political arena, conservatives can and must be an offensive force, not simply wedded to the status quo. To deny that conservatives can advocate for political and policy change is to deny the legitimacy of any political action not approved of by the left. In reality, political conservatives have an agenda that we want to see enacted. That the means to achieving these goals may sometimes be in tension with our philosophical beliefs and temperament should not be an excuse for inaction or require us to support policies we oppose. Accepting that human nature is imperfect and often involves these kinds of tradeoffs and inconsistencies is also part of conservative philosophy. If we deny this and prize theoretical consistency over all other things in the political arena, we will always lose to those who prize nothing more than the accumulation of government power. I understand why liberals, who give no thought to the damage their never ending appetite to expand government cause, want to enlist conservatives as their unthinking protectors. There’s no reason for us to actually agree to it.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: jdub at May 19, 2015 10:26 AM (WDySP)
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Will he stop projecting his own fetishes and neuroses upon innocent people?
Probably only when he stops generating green house gases.
Probably only when he stops generating green house gases.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2015 10:26 AM (B0IEg)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 19, 2015 10:27 AM (lpeQC)
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Fact to "mystery"? How about fact to fiction....
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at May 19, 2015 10:27 AM (Bn6aD)
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That's a lot of words to say "he misspelled 'defund'".
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 19, 2015 10:27 AM (ZKzrr)
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This is especially true when always means since 1971.
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Like who can even figure out what people meant in 1971 man. That was like 100 years ago or something. Obviously like the Constitution requires spending enough money on Amtrak so train engineers don't screw around and derail the train.
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Like who can even figure out what people meant in 1971 man. That was like 100 years ago or something. Obviously like the Constitution requires spending enough money on Amtrak so train engineers don't screw around and derail the train.
Posted by: Ezra Klein at May 19, 2015 10:28 AM (78TbK)
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Answer: "You like it so much, you pay for it."
Posted by: eman at May 19, 2015 10:28 AM (MQEz6)
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So, clueless liberal misunderstands conservatism, presents skewed strawman version thereof, demands that conservatives worship the strawman. Does that about cover it?
Posted by: joncelli at May 19, 2015 10:29 AM (RD7QR)
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... Amtrak, which is a critical institution for millions of Americans.
Well, if it is such a benefit to so many, the impact of them paying their fair share should hurt too bad.
Well, if it is such a benefit to so many, the impact of them paying their fair share should hurt too bad.
Posted by: Golfman at May 19, 2015 10:29 AM (fQAkR)
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Whose gate is it? Chesterton's gate?
The guy what said before you get rid of the gate you should know why it was put there.
Whose gate is it? Chesterton's gate?
The guy what said before you get rid of the gate you should know why it was put there.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 19, 2015 10:29 AM (JtwS4)
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A conservative prefers not to jump on the bandwagon until it has been shown that the bandwagon is not about to drive off a cliff.
A progressive wants to jump on the bandwagon because they're playing a catchy tune.
A progressive wants to jump on the bandwagon because they're playing a catchy tune.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 19, 2015 10:29 AM (lHb9q)
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Well said.
The over/under on days till Boehner puts forward a bill to increase spending on Amtrak is set at..ohhh....3.
Betting window now open.
The over/under on days till Boehner puts forward a bill to increase spending on Amtrak is set at..ohhh....3.
Betting window now open.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 19, 2015 10:30 AM (gW5Vg)
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Amtrak is a critical institution? Maybe for northeast white people. Everybody else gets along just fine without it.
Posted by: joncelli at May 19, 2015 10:30 AM (RD7QR)
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8 So, clueless liberal misunderstands conservatism, presents skewed strawman version thereof, demands that conservatives worship the strawman. Does that about cover it?
Posted by: joncelli at May 19, 2015 10:29 AM (RD7QR)
Pretty much. I'm finding out more and more just how many phenomenally dumb people out there who are convinced they're smart and clever.
Posted by: joncelli at May 19, 2015 10:29 AM (RD7QR)
Pretty much. I'm finding out more and more just how many phenomenally dumb people out there who are convinced they're smart and clever.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2015 10:30 AM (2Ojst)
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Muldoon, so Hillary! is the new version of the Pied Piper of Hamln?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2015 10:30 AM (B0IEg)
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By that logic conservatives should now be in favor of Obamacare.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 19, 2015 10:31 AM (lHb9q)
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THIS IS AAMMMTRAK!!!!
Posted by: eman at May 19, 2015 10:31 AM (MQEz6)
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"To be conservative, then, is to prefer the familiar to the unknown, to prefer the tried to the untried, fact to mystery, the actual to the possible, the limited to the unbounded, the near to the distant, the sufficient to the superabundant, the convenient to the perfect, present laughter to utopian bliss."
Now, Mr. Liberal Pundit, let us consider that I don't buy word one of your premise, that I do not accept your definition of "Conservative" at all.
Now tell me how clever your argument with the "conservative" that lives inside your head actually is.
Now, Mr. Liberal Pundit, let us consider that I don't buy word one of your premise, that I do not accept your definition of "Conservative" at all.
Now tell me how clever your argument with the "conservative" that lives inside your head actually is.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Buy A Malediction, Get an Imaginary Insult Half Off! at May 19, 2015 10:32 AM (hLRSq)
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Great post Drew! Man, That's why I love this fucking place!
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 19, 2015 10:32 AM (UnJ7w)
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Hillary! is the new version of the Pied Piper of Hamln?
***
I like it. A bandwagon driven by a crazed woman tootler, luring all the lemmings to a plunge into the briny depths.
***
I like it. A bandwagon driven by a crazed woman tootler, luring all the lemmings to a plunge into the briny depths.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 19, 2015 10:32 AM (lHb9q)
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There were diamonds everywhere...
Amtrak is paid for by everyone yet benefits the select few that use it.
I say privatize it and make the riders pay for the service upkeep through increased fares.
Amtrak is paid for by everyone yet benefits the select few that use it.
I say privatize it and make the riders pay for the service upkeep through increased fares.
Posted by: Gmac- Pulling in feelers in preperation... at May 19, 2015 10:33 AM (4CRfK)
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"... Amtrak, which is a critical institution for millions of Americans.
"'
Rich assholes traversing between DC and NYC who can all afford to travel in other ways?
"'
Rich assholes traversing between DC and NYC who can all afford to travel in other ways?
Posted by: Lauren at May 19, 2015 10:33 AM (MYCIw)
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Would you like "safe arrival" or "terrifying derailment"?
Posted by: eman at May 19, 2015 10:33 AM (MQEz6)
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I have yet to see an accurate depiction of conservative thinking by a non-conservative. Even in regards to just one topic/issue. For smart people, they're pretty dumb.
Posted by: FDR's TV at May 19, 2015 10:33 AM (dZRct)
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This is fun! Rory Cooper can only prove what an amazingly unique, smart and helpful Liberal he is by getting himself run through with a saber.
Posted by: Some jerk what thinks he knows everything at May 19, 2015 10:33 AM (8td12)
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I'm finding out more and more just how many phenomenally dumb people out there who are convinced they're smart and clever.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2015 10:30 AM (2Ojst)
MATT DAMON!
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2015 10:30 AM (2Ojst)
MATT DAMON!
Posted by: MATT DAMON! at May 19, 2015 10:34 AM (vgIRn)
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22 "... Amtrak, which is a critical institution for millions of Americans.
"'
Rich assholes traversing between DC and NYC who can all afford to travel in other ways?
Posted by: Lauren at May 19, 2015 10:33 AM (MYCIw)
Planted axiom.
22 "... Amtrak, which is a critical institution for millions of Americans.
"'
Rich assholes traversing between DC and NYC who can all afford to travel in other ways?
Posted by: Lauren at May 19, 2015 10:33 AM (MYCIw)
Planted axiom.
Posted by: eman at May 19, 2015 10:34 AM (MQEz6)
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Yeah his argument is dumb. Is he trying to turn conservatives into liberals?
Posted by: Draki at May 19, 2015 10:34 AM (0eidE)
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Pretty much. I'm finding out more and more just how many phenomenally dumb people out there who are convinced they're smart and clever.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2015 10:30 AM (2Ojst)
This is on the money. Every time I see a Chuck Schumer I think this. Nice.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2015 10:30 AM (2Ojst)
This is on the money. Every time I see a Chuck Schumer I think this. Nice.
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 19, 2015 10:34 AM (UnJ7w)
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Reminds me of atheistic profs telling Christians what they actually believe.
Posted by: Northernlurker at May 19, 2015 10:34 AM (tMrac)
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11 A conservative prefers not to jump on the bandwagon until it has been shown that the bandwagon is not about to drive off a cliff.
A progressive wants to jump on the bandwagon because they're playing a catchy tune.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 19, 2015 10:29 AM (lHb9q)
+ eLeBinTy!!!!111 yOurEicHwiNgNutz!!1111!!
A progressive wants to jump on the bandwagon because they're playing a catchy tune.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 19, 2015 10:29 AM (lHb9q)
+ eLeBinTy!!!!111 yOurEicHwiNgNutz!!1111!!
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at May 19, 2015 10:36 AM (mmlFU)
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Conservatives know where the money comes from, sometimes even where it goes. Liberals refuse to acknowledge either. They only want more, more, more.
Liberalism is a wolf philosophy (of acquiring power at all costs) wrapped in the sheep's clothing of "equality and fairness". The means, outcomes, and consequences mean absolutely nothing to liberals - only the end results (power acquisition) matter. Reason is only employed against the people who truly value it.
Liberalism is a wolf philosophy (of acquiring power at all costs) wrapped in the sheep's clothing of "equality and fairness". The means, outcomes, and consequences mean absolutely nothing to liberals - only the end results (power acquisition) matter. Reason is only employed against the people who truly value it.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at May 19, 2015 10:36 AM (nqiq9)
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The only thing I use Amtrak for is to set my watch. I live a little over a mile from the tracks and when I hear the Amtrak train whistle I know to set my watch to Thursday afternoon or thereabouts.
Or Friday morning...
...it varies.
Or Friday morning...
...it varies.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 19, 2015 10:36 AM (lHb9q)
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28 Yeah his argument is dumb. Is he trying to turn conservatives into liberals?
Posted by: Draki at May 19, 2015 10:34 AM (0eidE)
Let me handle that.....
Posted by: Draki at May 19, 2015 10:34 AM (0eidE)
Let me handle that.....
Posted by: Happy Fun Camp at May 19, 2015 10:37 AM (mmlFU)
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As a lifelong conservative, I don't think millions of Americans should be denied their freedom of transportation.
The extremists give real conservatives a bad name.
The extremists give real conservatives a bad name.
Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at May 19, 2015 10:37 AM (Ks4nX)
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I like this right now, I want this now and you must agree with me and confirm how wonderful I am else you are a monster who must die.
liberalism = narcissist personality disorder.
(Well said ,Drew)
liberalism = narcissist personality disorder.
(Well said ,Drew)
Posted by: some random meathead at May 19, 2015 10:38 AM (XrHO0)
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Michael Oakeshott famously described the conservative temperament as follows:
*insert the story of the five blind men and the elephant, with MO in the role of the lead blind man*
*insert the story of the five blind men and the elephant, with MO in the role of the lead blind man*
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 19, 2015 10:38 AM (0HooB)
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Conservatives are not against trains.
They oppose public funding of an enterprise that should be privately funded.
Liberals cannot grasp the idea that opposing they way something is done is not necessarily opposing the thing itself.
At least it seems they cannot grasp it.
They oppose public funding of an enterprise that should be privately funded.
Liberals cannot grasp the idea that opposing they way something is done is not necessarily opposing the thing itself.
At least it seems they cannot grasp it.
Posted by: eman at May 19, 2015 10:38 AM (MQEz6)
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Amtrak is used mainly by journalists, politicians and lobbyists stop this welfare program to snotty rich people.
Posted by: PaleRider at May 19, 2015 10:38 AM (iA/+T)
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A couple of days ago news reports were hinting that a projectile struck the train before it went off the rails. Anyone heard anymore of this?
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 19, 2015 10:39 AM (UnJ7w)
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"No, you guys HAVE to believe this, not what you actually believe" is one of the stupidest arguments imaginable.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 19, 2015 10:39 AM (tRVhE)
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The Anointed Left can pontificate on many different matters because they Know they are smart. They want to proselytize to the unwashed masses about how smart they are. It becomes a self reinforcing loop and only something like a lead pipe will break through, metaphorical or physical.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2015 10:39 AM (B0IEg)
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Ryan Cooper doesn't understand what true conservatism is.
Railroads don't work for passenger service because automobiles work better, cheaper, more convenient. Roads are easier to build than railroad, and rail doesn't go 'everywhere' like highways.
Railroads work well enough for general freight, especially now with intermodal containers, and international shipping, but trucks take the freight to the final destination, and pick up more freight for the backhaul.
Governments don't make decisions fast enough, and those decisions are made for political reasons not economic ones.
The entire quoted excerpt is riddled with failed liberal logic. The most glaring fault is the 'sacrificed on the bed of ideology' claim that is the hallmark of liberal thinking. Conservative philosophy is not sacrificing people, it is setting them free.
Railroads don't work for passenger service because automobiles work better, cheaper, more convenient. Roads are easier to build than railroad, and rail doesn't go 'everywhere' like highways.
Railroads work well enough for general freight, especially now with intermodal containers, and international shipping, but trucks take the freight to the final destination, and pick up more freight for the backhaul.
Governments don't make decisions fast enough, and those decisions are made for political reasons not economic ones.
The entire quoted excerpt is riddled with failed liberal logic. The most glaring fault is the 'sacrificed on the bed of ideology' claim that is the hallmark of liberal thinking. Conservative philosophy is not sacrificing people, it is setting them free.
Posted by: Chas Bud Flowers at May 19, 2015 10:39 AM (YI9Ph)
Posted by: Citizen X at May 19, 2015 10:40 AM (7ObY1)
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28 Yeah his argument is dumb. Is he trying to turn conservatives into liberals?
Posted by: Draki at May 19, 2015 10:34 AM (0eidE)
Damn it wingnuts, listen to him. He has a point.
We just think it should be done slightly slower. Well no, we actually don't think that, that is just what we tell you so you will vote for us.
Vote for us, we're the lesser evil but willing to expand!
Posted by: Draki at May 19, 2015 10:34 AM (0eidE)
Damn it wingnuts, listen to him. He has a point.
We just think it should be done slightly slower. Well no, we actually don't think that, that is just what we tell you so you will vote for us.
Vote for us, we're the lesser evil but willing to expand!
Posted by: GOPe at May 19, 2015 10:40 AM (F9322)
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Are liberals going to give me some of that utopian bliss?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 19, 2015 10:41 AM (W5DcG)
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Why do we understand this shit so clearly - and fairly effortlessly - when the bestest, smahtestest, most ejokayshuny people the world has ever know can't even buy a clue?
*looks at LIbEral*
Ummm ..... never mind.
*looks at LIbEral*
Ummm ..... never mind.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at May 19, 2015 10:41 AM (mmlFU)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 19, 2015 10:41 AM (0HooB)
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46 Are liberals going to give me some of that utopian bliss?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 19, 2015 10:41 AM (W5DcG)
We'll see.....
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 19, 2015 10:41 AM (W5DcG)
We'll see.....
Posted by: Happy Fun Camp at May 19, 2015 10:42 AM (mmlFU)
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"No, you guys HAVE to believe this, not what you actually believe" is one of the stupidest arguments imaginable.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 19, 2015 10:39 AM (tRVhE)
When your argument is based upon your opponents accepting your premises and definitions you have failed before even opening your mouth.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 19, 2015 10:39 AM (tRVhE)
When your argument is based upon your opponents accepting your premises and definitions you have failed before even opening your mouth.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Buy A Malediction, Get an Imaginary Insult Half Off! at May 19, 2015 10:43 AM (hLRSq)
51
12 Well said.
The over/under on days till Boehner puts forward a bill to increase spending on Amtrak is set at..ohhh....3.
Betting window now open.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 19, 2015 10:30 AM (gW5Vg)
Whenever Congress is next scheduled to go on vacation so they can hold a voice vote with 10 people in the chamber and deem it passed.
The over/under on days till Boehner puts forward a bill to increase spending on Amtrak is set at..ohhh....3.
Betting window now open.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 19, 2015 10:30 AM (gW5Vg)
Whenever Congress is next scheduled to go on vacation so they can hold a voice vote with 10 people in the chamber and deem it passed.
Posted by: buzzion at May 19, 2015 10:43 AM (zt+N6)
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Oakeshott's conservatism was drawn to most effectively defend the special privileges and traditions of British aristocracy and high-church Anglicanism. He has a lot to say that's interesting, and some of his strictures are as useful to anarchists and minarchists as they are to crusty old fuddy-duddy Tories, but it's still a philosophy dedicated to maintaining the privilege of traditional aristocracy.
What Cooper's admitting here is that he and his are New Class aristocrats, trying to preserve their Twentieth-Century privileges and traditions. They *are* the small-c conservatives, which really, makes my inner Trotsky, my id in Jacobin cosplay just roll over and waggle all four paws in joy.
let the tumbrels roll!
What Cooper's admitting here is that he and his are New Class aristocrats, trying to preserve their Twentieth-Century privileges and traditions. They *are* the small-c conservatives, which really, makes my inner Trotsky, my id in Jacobin cosplay just roll over and waggle all four paws in joy.
let the tumbrels roll!
Posted by: Mitch H. at May 19, 2015 10:43 AM (jwKxK)
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Bertram Cabot Jr do you want the Borloi or merely the heroin injected into your eyeballs?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2015 10:43 AM (B0IEg)
54
I identify as a trains! Choo choo!
Posted by: Joe Biden at May 19, 2015 10:43 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Ayn Rand, who should have stopped right there and shut up at May 19, 2015 10:44 AM (SCcgT)
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Got Willowed because I was looking for photos of my friend's son's zombie wedding presided over by Bruce Campbell.
These aren't the photos I was looking for but here is the Bruce Campbell wedding.
http://tinyurl.com/28l5oqn
These aren't the photos I was looking for but here is the Bruce Campbell wedding.
http://tinyurl.com/28l5oqn
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 19, 2015 10:44 AM (XUKZU)
57
Railroads don't work for passenger service because automobiles work better, cheaper, more convenient. Roads are easier to build than railroad, and rail doesn't go 'everywhere' like highways.
That's why we will have to be herded into giant multi-family living quarters which are strategically located next to the rail line.
That's why we will have to be herded into giant multi-family living quarters which are strategically located next to the rail line.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 19, 2015 10:45 AM (W5DcG)
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Conservatives are not against trains.
I'm kind of sad that all my nephews have grown out of Thomas.
I'm kind of sad that all my nephews have grown out of Thomas.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 19, 2015 10:45 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Dang at May 19, 2015 10:45 AM (XWo4d)
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When your argument is based upon your opponents accepting your premises and definitions you have failed before even opening your mouth.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Buy A Malediction, Get an Imaginary Insult Half Off! at May 19, 2015 10:43 AM (hLRSq)
Also, insisting something is the case despite a total lack of evidence, or even in the face of overwhelming evidence that it's not.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Buy A Malediction, Get an Imaginary Insult Half Off! at May 19, 2015 10:43 AM (hLRSq)
Also, insisting something is the case despite a total lack of evidence, or even in the face of overwhelming evidence that it's not.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2015 10:45 AM (2Ojst)
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Or strategically located underground apartment complexes close to the mandatory public service work areas to keep the lights of Metropolis on.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2015 10:46 AM (B0IEg)
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The sub argument is that if we build enough railroads human nature will magically change and no one will desire a private vehicle or want to live anywhere but in a box in a city.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at May 19, 2015 10:46 AM (191/b)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 19, 2015 10:46 AM (0HooB)
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That's why we will have to be herded into giant multi-family living
quarters which are strategically located next to the rail line.
I kind of expect they'll herd us onto a cattle car on the rail line.
quarters which are strategically located next to the rail line.
I kind of expect they'll herd us onto a cattle car on the rail line.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 19, 2015 10:46 AM (ZKzrr)
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But Republicans, as the ostensible party of conservatism, have an obligation...
and
By supposed conservative principles, it is not appropriate...
Never listen to a liberal telling a conservative what to do; they understand nothing about conservatism.
and
By supposed conservative principles, it is not appropriate...
Never listen to a liberal telling a conservative what to do; they understand nothing about conservatism.
Posted by: dogfish at May 19, 2015 10:46 AM (jWtyG)
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I love the Jap rail system. You can feel up chicks in the train there all the time during rush hour!
Posted by: joey biden at May 19, 2015 10:47 AM (kivUY)
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Or in the words of WeirdDave, "Eff off".
Posted by: dogfish at May 19, 2015 10:47 AM (jWtyG)
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The over/under on days till Boehner puts forward a bill to increase spending on Amtrak is set at..ohhh....3.
Betting window now open.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 19, 2015 10:30 AM (gW5Vg)
I'm an idiot, but even I know that's a sucker bet.
Betting window now open.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 19, 2015 10:30 AM (gW5Vg)
I'm an idiot, but even I know that's a sucker bet.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 19, 2015 10:47 AM (zF6Iw)
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56 Hah! Zombie wedding. Til undeath do us part?
Posted by: @votermom at May 19, 2015 10:47 AM (cbfNE)
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This is one of those arguments entirely fabricated inside of a very fragile bubble.
Posted by: Dang at May 19, 2015 10:47 AM (XWo4d)
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The Japanese railway system is Teh Awesome.
But it was built into the mix, so to speak. It is pervasive.
Go look at a city, like say.....Dallas and DART, I think.
To use that system you have to drive in your car about 20-30 minutes just to reach the frikkin train.
You might as well use that driving time to get to your office and in almost every case you will save time and money doing so.
Or you could use the buses to get to the train station.(Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!)
There is no way- short of tearing up large stretches of cities and homes and businesses that we could have something like that here.
Where, at worst, your train is a short bicycle ride to the station.
The American culture is individual cars. Get with the program progtards.
Amtrak is just another blue state Dim-connected, crony-run excuse to rob taxpayers.
You know how I know that?
They lose money on their drinks and cocktails.
In every other business, in any other city, anywhere in the world-
drinks and alcoholic beverages have the biggest profit margin by far.
Most restaurants would never care if you never bought another morsel of food,
just as long as you bought their Cokes and beer an cocktails.
You would think the eternal retards of blue state America would wake up to the fact that they're nothing more than cash cows for a bunch of Democrat do-nothings and leeches-
but they never do.
But it was built into the mix, so to speak. It is pervasive.
Go look at a city, like say.....Dallas and DART, I think.
To use that system you have to drive in your car about 20-30 minutes just to reach the frikkin train.
You might as well use that driving time to get to your office and in almost every case you will save time and money doing so.
Or you could use the buses to get to the train station.(Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!)
There is no way- short of tearing up large stretches of cities and homes and businesses that we could have something like that here.
Where, at worst, your train is a short bicycle ride to the station.
The American culture is individual cars. Get with the program progtards.
Amtrak is just another blue state Dim-connected, crony-run excuse to rob taxpayers.
You know how I know that?
They lose money on their drinks and cocktails.
In every other business, in any other city, anywhere in the world-
drinks and alcoholic beverages have the biggest profit margin by far.
Most restaurants would never care if you never bought another morsel of food,
just as long as you bought their Cokes and beer an cocktails.
You would think the eternal retards of blue state America would wake up to the fact that they're nothing more than cash cows for a bunch of Democrat do-nothings and leeches-
but they never do.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 19, 2015 10:47 AM (KUa85)
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"Your want is not my obligation." - Me!
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Buy A Malediction, Get an Imaginary Insult Half Off! at May 19, 2015 10:48 AM (hLRSq)
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Amtrak is an income transfer from the rest of the country to NE Blue states.
Enough. Pay for your train ticket in TOTAL or find another ride.
Enough. Pay for your train ticket in TOTAL or find another ride.
Posted by: Injuin Blackfoot Barry, that eats dog at May 19, 2015 10:49 AM (0FSuD)
74
One big difference between Europe, Japan, and the United States is distance. Two have relatively small distances to carry people via rail. The third has relatively large distances to carry people via rail.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2015 10:49 AM (B0IEg)
75
off injuin sock
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 19, 2015 10:49 AM (0FSuD)
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You would think the eternal retards of blue state America would wake up to the fact that they're nothing more than cash cows for a bunch of Democrat do-nothings and leeches-
but they never do.
Recognizing reality just isn't their thing, man.
but they never do.
Recognizing reality just isn't their thing, man.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 19, 2015 10:50 AM (0HooB)
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Posted by: naturalfake at May 19, 2015 10:47 AM (KUa85) --- GREAT point about the drinks.
Posted by: Baldy at May 19, 2015 10:50 AM (sEXjW)
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Amtrak is an income transfer from the rest of the country to NE Blue states.
Enough. Pay for your train ticket in TOTAL or find another ride.
Posted by: Injuin Blackfoot Barry, that eats dog
This. It's simple.
Enough. Pay for your train ticket in TOTAL or find another ride.
Posted by: Injuin Blackfoot Barry, that eats dog
This. It's simple.
Posted by: Dang at May 19, 2015 10:50 AM (XWo4d)
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Reminds me of when I was working. We would be at a meeting with some new program/wave of the future way of doing things. When you questioned how certain items would be workable, as it would cost more money and the company hated to spend more money, I was told I needed to be a team player.
A few years later the new program would be thought of as unworkable because...MONEY. A new program with all of the same pitfalls would be discussed.....and so on and so on.
The difference being, the company unlike the Gubmint would eventually quit pouring money down that rathole.
A few years later the new program would be thought of as unworkable because...MONEY. A new program with all of the same pitfalls would be discussed.....and so on and so on.
The difference being, the company unlike the Gubmint would eventually quit pouring money down that rathole.
Posted by: Bruce at May 19, 2015 10:51 AM (8ikIW)
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THIS IS AAMMMTRAK!!!!
Posted by: eman
*Kicks a huge sack of money into a bottomless pit.*
Posted by: Dang at May 19, 2015 10:45 AM (XWo4d)
Which reminds me, to continue my rant from yesterday about the boring boringness that is Game of Thrones this season, they recycled the Persian costumes from the well scene in 300, now Bronn and Jamie are wearing them.
THIS IS AAMMMTRAK!!!!
Posted by: eman
*Kicks a huge sack of money into a bottomless pit.*
Posted by: Dang at May 19, 2015 10:45 AM (XWo4d)
Which reminds me, to continue my rant from yesterday about the boring boringness that is Game of Thrones this season, they recycled the Persian costumes from the well scene in 300, now Bronn and Jamie are wearing them.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 19, 2015 10:51 AM (lpeQC)
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Let's see if a GOP candidate gives the FYNQ response to a question about Amtrak funding.
Posted by: eman at May 19, 2015 10:51 AM (MQEz6)
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>Liberals cannot grasp the idea that opposing they way something is done is not necessarily opposing the thing itself.
"We disapprove of state education.
Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object
to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at
all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are
against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were
to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the
state to raise grain."
-mah boy Freddy B
"We disapprove of state education.
Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object
to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at
all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are
against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were
to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the
state to raise grain."
-mah boy Freddy B
Posted by: kartoffel at May 19, 2015 10:52 AM (fVxXv)
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As a frequent Amtrak passenger all I can say is that I'm looking forward to "Amtrak, The Musical!".
It's a joke, nearly always late and equipment that rarely works as designed for the entire trip. It's also very theatrical, what with the petty rules many conductors establish, because they can ("only the doors in the third car will open at the next station!"). Its wildly expensive. It's employees often manspread in Business class and take all the best seats without paying for them.
Blow. It. Up. Conceding a monopoly to the government is any aspect of the economy is crazy stuff, and purporting to defend it as "conservative" is prima facie stupid.
It's a joke, nearly always late and equipment that rarely works as designed for the entire trip. It's also very theatrical, what with the petty rules many conductors establish, because they can ("only the doors in the third car will open at the next station!"). Its wildly expensive. It's employees often manspread in Business class and take all the best seats without paying for them.
Blow. It. Up. Conceding a monopoly to the government is any aspect of the economy is crazy stuff, and purporting to defend it as "conservative" is prima facie stupid.
Posted by: MTF, Train Taker at May 19, 2015 10:52 AM (FCsIb)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 19, 2015 10:52 AM (fWAjv)
85
Conservatism simply means embracing what has been proven to work and rejected what has been proven to fail.
AMTRAK falls into the latter category.
Progressivism is, of course, the opposite.
AMTRAK falls into the latter category.
Progressivism is, of course, the opposite.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at May 19, 2015 10:52 AM (O7MnT)
86
black diamonds......all i see is black diamonds
Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 19, 2015 10:52 AM (0O7c5)
87
The difference being, the company unlike the Gubmint would eventually quit pouring money down that rathole.
Posted by: Bruce at May 19, 2015 10:51 AM (8ikIW)
Depends on the company...
Posted by: Bruce at May 19, 2015 10:51 AM (8ikIW)
Depends on the company...
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2015 10:52 AM (2Ojst)
88
The third has relatively large distances to carry people via rail.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2015 10:49 AM (B0IEg)
This and density. There is a critical mass of population density that makes driving and finding a parking space a bad choice.
Europe and the UK have had trains for a 100 years. A lot of their infrastructure costs are zero. We don't have that situation
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2015 10:49 AM (B0IEg)
This and density. There is a critical mass of population density that makes driving and finding a parking space a bad choice.
Europe and the UK have had trains for a 100 years. A lot of their infrastructure costs are zero. We don't have that situation
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 19, 2015 10:52 AM (0FSuD)
89
Great post, Ace.
I think proggies need to learn that they don't understand conservatives - willfully so - and they should just stop attempting to advise us on how we should view policy.
What's the Matter with Kansas? Nothing.
I think proggies need to learn that they don't understand conservatives - willfully so - and they should just stop attempting to advise us on how we should view policy.
What's the Matter with Kansas? Nothing.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2015 10:52 AM (V7QeA)
90
Conservatives believe government should do only those things that cannot reasonably be done privately.
Conservatives believe that even government programs should be held to a reasonable standard of accountability and cost-effectiveness.
Conservatives may or may not accept that there's a compelling interest in infrastructure and otherwise facilitating commerce and public well-being, and we may or may not accept that there's a national interest in preserving certain industries or forms of industrial capacity (like the F-22 production line...) but we do not accept that government should itself run industries in a structure ensuring a perpetual and substantial loss solely to keep government union employees in jobs.
Conservatives believe that even government programs should be held to a reasonable standard of accountability and cost-effectiveness.
Conservatives may or may not accept that there's a compelling interest in infrastructure and otherwise facilitating commerce and public well-being, and we may or may not accept that there's a national interest in preserving certain industries or forms of industrial capacity (like the F-22 production line...) but we do not accept that government should itself run industries in a structure ensuring a perpetual and substantial loss solely to keep government union employees in jobs.
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor (sometimes JEM) at May 19, 2015 10:52 AM (o+SC1)
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86 black diamonds......all i see is black diamonds
Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 19, 2015 10:52 AM (0O7c5)
Aren't those a girl's best friend?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 19, 2015 10:52 AM (0O7c5)
Aren't those a girl's best friend?
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2015 10:52 AM (2Ojst)
92
74 One big difference between Europe, Japan, and the United States is distance. Two have relatively small distances to carry people via rail. The third has relatively large distances to carry people via rail.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2015 10:49 AM (B0IEg)
Distance.
As irrelevant as Math!, Comrade.
You'll learn. Soon.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 19, 2015 10:49 AM (B0IEg)
Distance.
As irrelevant as Math!, Comrade.
You'll learn. Soon.
Posted by: Happy Fun Camp at May 19, 2015 10:53 AM (mmlFU)
93
"But it is inarguably true that right now millions of Americans depend on Amtrak as it currently exists."
and Amtrak is losing money. If it were forced to make a profit, fewer people would ride the train. People who do not ride the train have to pay higher taxes.
If you want Amtrak to continue, then force Amtrak to pay it's own way, and make a profit.
and Amtrak is losing money. If it were forced to make a profit, fewer people would ride the train. People who do not ride the train have to pay higher taxes.
If you want Amtrak to continue, then force Amtrak to pay it's own way, and make a profit.
Posted by: Chas Bud Flowers at May 19, 2015 10:53 AM (YI9Ph)
Posted by: eman at May 19, 2015 10:54 AM (MQEz6)
95
When the Penn central RR split their operations into a Black Hole know as AMTRAK and the tax paying freight side known as Conrail, the Bankers and Politicians got 2 holes to screw,
AMTRAK a Federally Funded Money Pit and Conrail an over taxed and regulated carrier,
we got a playground for Government ass hats...in AMTRAK
just say it AMTRAK....
like Knotts Berry Farm for your TAX Dollars...
Another case of the demise of the Penn Central Corp will hurt the Public WINK Interest.
After all, we know that every thing Political is done for the selflessly for the citizen.
AMTRAK a Federally Funded Money Pit and Conrail an over taxed and regulated carrier,
we got a playground for Government ass hats...in AMTRAK
just say it AMTRAK....
like Knotts Berry Farm for your TAX Dollars...
Another case of the demise of the Penn Central Corp will hurt the Public WINK Interest.
After all, we know that every thing Political is done for the selflessly for the citizen.
Posted by: Loco for Coco at May 19, 2015 10:55 AM (/WmRg)
96
The American culture is individual cars. Get with the program progtards.
And the progtards hate American culture.
And the progtards hate American culture.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 19, 2015 10:55 AM (W5DcG)
97
Depends on the company...
Posted by: Insomniac
A Swiss food, amongst other things, conglomerate.
They like their money in the bank.
Depends on the company...
Posted by: Insomniac
A Swiss food, amongst other things, conglomerate.
They like their money in the bank.
Posted by: Bruce at May 19, 2015 10:55 AM (8ikIW)
98
"By that logic conservatives should now be in favor of Obamacare"
Give it time. They're probably saving that particular gem to trot out during the 2016 General Election.
The talking heads will dutifully parrot the line and it will embed itself in the mushy brains of millions of LIV 's.
I
Give it time. They're probably saving that particular gem to trot out during the 2016 General Election.
The talking heads will dutifully parrot the line and it will embed itself in the mushy brains of millions of LIV 's.
I
Posted by: Jaws at May 19, 2015 10:56 AM (Jktp1)
99
About Ryan Cooper - his articles on "The Week" were often featured on the Yahoo newsfeed (which is unabashedly liberal) and I used to read them, just to disagree with everything he posted in the comment section, which at that time was relatively open.
I began to notice a certain commenter (forget the name) who ONLY showed up in Ryan Cooper comment sections, and whose posts always said, effectively "Ryan Cooper is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."
On, and on, and on - and he never posted anywhere but in Ryan Cooper's comment section. I finally pasted together a string of those things and posted it in his comments section, telling him how pathetic it was for him to need to praise himself with a sockpuppet like that.
He never acknowledged me - but guess what? Within a week, ALL comments on Ryan Cooper articles were disallowed, and as far as I can tell that's how things stand today. Heh.
I began to notice a certain commenter (forget the name) who ONLY showed up in Ryan Cooper comment sections, and whose posts always said, effectively "Ryan Cooper is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."
On, and on, and on - and he never posted anywhere but in Ryan Cooper's comment section. I finally pasted together a string of those things and posted it in his comments section, telling him how pathetic it was for him to need to praise himself with a sockpuppet like that.
He never acknowledged me - but guess what? Within a week, ALL comments on Ryan Cooper articles were disallowed, and as far as I can tell that's how things stand today. Heh.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 19, 2015 10:56 AM (Kpl3J)
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"But it is inarguably true that right now millions of Americans depend on Amtrak as it currently exists."
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The fear of the private economy baffles me. Do writers like this really assume that private investors won't step up to make such easy money, if this statement is true?
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The fear of the private economy baffles me. Do writers like this really assume that private investors won't step up to make such easy money, if this statement is true?
Posted by: MTF, Train Taker at May 19, 2015 10:56 AM (FCsIb)
101
"Amtrak, which is a critical institution for millions of Americans."
Really? So there are no planes, cars or buses, and the world's largest network of paved roads?
Why is it that most Democrats are dead set against putting money into roads and bridges? Instead of widening roads, they want to create dedicated bus or bike lanes?
Really? So there are no planes, cars or buses, and the world's largest network of paved roads?
Why is it that most Democrats are dead set against putting money into roads and bridges? Instead of widening roads, they want to create dedicated bus or bike lanes?
Posted by: Wendy at May 19, 2015 10:57 AM (bpemY)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 19, 2015 10:57 AM (R8hU8)
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One big difference between Europe, Japan, and the United States is distance. Two have relatively small distances to carry people via rail. The third has relatively large distances to carry people via rail.
And even in those geographically small, densely populated places the high speed trains operate at losses and receive large government subsidies.
Because progressives have a fetish for trains and we're supposed to pay for it.
And even in those geographically small, densely populated places the high speed trains operate at losses and receive large government subsidies.
Because progressives have a fetish for trains and we're supposed to pay for it.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at May 19, 2015 10:57 AM (O7MnT)
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South Bend South Shore.
Serves South Bend to Chicago with, I think, 10 stops in between. A great service. Private owned, profitable. Population density justifies its existence. U can take the train right from the South Bend airport to within a short walk to the museum campus and a Bears' game!
Serves South Bend to Chicago with, I think, 10 stops in between. A great service. Private owned, profitable. Population density justifies its existence. U can take the train right from the South Bend airport to within a short walk to the museum campus and a Bears' game!
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at May 19, 2015 10:57 AM (01ktV)
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>> "But it is inarguably true that right now millions of Americans depend on Amtrak as it currently exists."
Gee, as Ace mentioned above, many more millions were dependent on their health care prior to enacting Obamacare - and yet Dems saw no issue w/dicking around with that (which was much more personally damaging than altering one's transportation options).
So, no.
Gee, as Ace mentioned above, many more millions were dependent on their health care prior to enacting Obamacare - and yet Dems saw no issue w/dicking around with that (which was much more personally damaging than altering one's transportation options).
So, no.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2015 10:57 AM (V7QeA)
106
Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Quietly Seething at May 19, 2015 10:58 AM (kff5f)
107
If you ever read about the history of the transcontinental railroad you will find that it was basically a business lobby that bought off Congress to sell real estate, get a bunch of connected individuals rich and as a by product, increase the general welfare. Cheap immigrant labor built it and rich barons and industrialists got richer. Now, although there are still many "private" railways managed very differently than originally, unions and the government run much of it in the NE. Strangely enough, both those public and private union groups have high paying jobs for life and want someone else to pay for it all.
After the Republic phase the Romans went into the Civil War phase which died down after the Empire phase.
After the Republic phase the Romans went into the Civil War phase which died down after the Empire phase.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at May 19, 2015 10:58 AM (191/b)
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OT on the other thread the matter of hipsters snacking on kale all day was mentioned.
There has actually been a surge of thyroid issues among younger women due to the popularity of kale, and "green" juices. They are highly goitrogenic. Add to that an aversion to salt (including iodized salt) and you have young people making themselves sick in the name of health.
There has actually been a surge of thyroid issues among younger women due to the popularity of kale, and "green" juices. They are highly goitrogenic. Add to that an aversion to salt (including iodized salt) and you have young people making themselves sick in the name of health.
Posted by: @votermom at May 19, 2015 10:58 AM (cbfNE)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Quietly Seething at May 19, 2015 10:58 AM (kff5f)
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Human ant colony.
Posted by: eman at May 19, 2015 10:58 AM (MQEz6)
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@88 - we've had trains very nearly as long as the Brits, longer than the Germans or the French. Their infrastructure costs are nowhere near zero - they spend huge sums building and rebuilding their rail systems.
But it is heavily subsidized, despite occasional attempts to obfuscate that fact (German passenger rail runs at a 'profit' because the operator pays very little to the right-of-way operator).
Remember, when you're pumping your $9/gallon gas (or diesel) in Europe, that almost 2/3 of that price is tax.
But it is heavily subsidized, despite occasional attempts to obfuscate that fact (German passenger rail runs at a 'profit' because the operator pays very little to the right-of-way operator).
Remember, when you're pumping your $9/gallon gas (or diesel) in Europe, that almost 2/3 of that price is tax.
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor (sometimes JEM) at May 19, 2015 10:59 AM (o+SC1)
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If you want Amtrak to continue, then force Amtrak to pay it's own way, and make a profit.
Just sell it. Everyone would be better off, with the possible exception of the goonions and useless bureaucrats.
Every time a gubmint program is discussed, the first subject should be the 45% that is removed from every tax dollar due to overhead by the time it gets to the alleged end user.
Just sell it. Everyone would be better off, with the possible exception of the goonions and useless bureaucrats.
Every time a gubmint program is discussed, the first subject should be the 45% that is removed from every tax dollar due to overhead by the time it gets to the alleged end user.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 19, 2015 10:59 AM (0HooB)
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Aw crap, sorry, Drew!
Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2015 10:59 AM (V7QeA)
114
Oh, look, vacuous straw-men in a DrewM Post*
*-Not actually from DrewM, he's just quoting them to fisk.
*-Not actually from DrewM, he's just quoting them to fisk.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Quietly Seething at May 19, 2015 10:59 AM (kff5f)
115
Hah! Zombie wedding. Til undeath do us part?
Posted by: @votermom at May 19, 2015 10:47 AM (cbfNE)
****
"Who gives this woman's hand in marriage?"
Posted by: @votermom at May 19, 2015 10:47 AM (cbfNE)
****
"Who gives this woman's hand in marriage?"
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 19, 2015 11:00 AM (lHb9q)
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Rich assholes traversing between DC and NYC who can all afford to travel in other ways?
Posted by: Lauren at May 19, 2015 10:33 AM (MYCIw)
Indeed. Also, the bus is still cheaper, even without the subsidies..
Posted by: Lauren at May 19, 2015 10:33 AM (MYCIw)
Indeed. Also, the bus is still cheaper, even without the subsidies..
Posted by: Lea at May 19, 2015 11:00 AM (lIU4e)
117
To deny that conservatives can advocate for political and policy change is to deny the legitimacy of any political action not approved of by the left.
Which is exactly the point.
As BC and I discussed last week and as we discuss this week AHEM, the Left has no concept of conservatives as actual humans, let alone what conservative political beliefs are.
I'll give the Left this, at least now they're being honest that they think only their beliefs, whatever that happens to be at the moment, is what should be permissible.
Which is exactly the point.
As BC and I discussed last week and as we discuss this week AHEM, the Left has no concept of conservatives as actual humans, let alone what conservative political beliefs are.
I'll give the Left this, at least now they're being honest that they think only their beliefs, whatever that happens to be at the moment, is what should be permissible.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at May 19, 2015 11:01 AM (mf5HN)
118
U can take the train right from the South Bend airport to within a short walk to the museum campus and a Bears' game!
It doesn't run when the air temp is below -20F, but they put us on buses and got us to our stations (used to ride it from Chesterton to downtown in kollij).
I gotta do that again this summer.
It doesn't run when the air temp is below -20F, but they put us on buses and got us to our stations (used to ride it from Chesterton to downtown in kollij).
I gotta do that again this summer.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 19, 2015 11:02 AM (ZKzrr)
119
... Amtrak, which is a critical institution for millions of Americans.
Probably only a few million. For the rest of us, it is way to expensive.
I love trains and would love to travel across the country on one. But the Amtrak prices made me balk. And I make pretty decent money. No way Amtrak benefits most or even a large minority of Americans.
But I don't even know why I'm stating the obvious.
Probably only a few million. For the rest of us, it is way to expensive.
I love trains and would love to travel across the country on one. But the Amtrak prices made me balk. And I make pretty decent money. No way Amtrak benefits most or even a large minority of Americans.
But I don't even know why I'm stating the obvious.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 19, 2015 11:03 AM (shFKH)
120
Cooper himself admits that there are other successful models for running a railroad including, "mostly private [ownership] in Japan."
But The Japan Railways!!! exception is cold shite on rice.
Japan built the JR railway network on the taxpayer's en and then sold it to a private consortium at a fraction of it's cost.
As usual, dishonest leftie talking point is a dishonest leftie talking point.
But The Japan Railways!!! exception is cold shite on rice.
Japan built the JR railway network on the taxpayer's en and then sold it to a private consortium at a fraction of it's cost.
As usual, dishonest leftie talking point is a dishonest leftie talking point.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 19, 2015 11:03 AM (uctT+)
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Ryan Cooper
Reed College BA Chemistry2004 - 2008
www.linkedin.com/pub/ryan-cooper/60/353/600
1. "I'm the baby. Gotta love me!"
2. Early pattern baldness is so sad.
Ryan Cooper
Reed College BA Chemistry2004 - 2008
www.linkedin.com/pub/ryan-cooper/60/353/600
1. "I'm the baby. Gotta love me!"
2. Early pattern baldness is so sad.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 19, 2015 11:03 AM (kdS6q)
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Got Willowed because I was looking for photos of my friend's son's zombie wedding presided over by Bruce Campbell.
These aren't the photos I was looking for but here is the Bruce Campbell wedding.
http://tinyurl.com/28l5oqn
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 19, 2015 10:44 AM (XUKZU)
Um.
These aren't the photos I was looking for but here is the Bruce Campbell wedding.
http://tinyurl.com/28l5oqn
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 19, 2015 10:44 AM (XUKZU)
Um.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 19, 2015 11:04 AM (shFKH)
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Rich assholes traversing between DC and NYC who can all afford to travel in other ways?
Posted by: Lauren at May 19, 2015 10:33 AM (MYCIw)
Indeed. Also, the bus is still cheaper, even without the subsidies..
Posted by: Lea at May 19, 2015 11:00 AM (lIU4e)
The Bus?????
Ewwww, icky.
Rich assholes traversing between DC and NYC who can all afford to travel in other ways?
Posted by: Lauren at May 19, 2015 10:33 AM (MYCIw)
Indeed. Also, the bus is still cheaper, even without the subsidies..
Posted by: Lea at May 19, 2015 11:00 AM (lIU4e)
The Bus?????
Ewwww, icky.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 19, 2015 11:04 AM (lpeQC)
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Again, I would love for there to be more trains, but the US is too big and places too far apart for it to make sense.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 19, 2015 11:05 AM (shFKH)
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IF YOU LIKE YOUR AMTRAK YOU CAN KEEP YOUR AMTRAK
Posted by: Hillary Historic Hoho at May 19, 2015 11:06 AM (cbfNE)
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Does Amtrak stop in Rock Ridge?
Posted by: Garrett at May 19, 2015 11:06 AM (bgxRb)
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126 Does Amtrak stop in Rock Ridge?
Posted by: Garrett at May 19, 2015 11:06 AM (bgxRb)
That's where they connect the Number 6 car.
Posted by: Garrett at May 19, 2015 11:06 AM (bgxRb)
That's where they connect the Number 6 car.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2015 11:08 AM (2Ojst)
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I'm just throwing out ideas here but I see a huge industry employing millions of Americans that only Joe Biden and Obama can kick start: Flying trains. Flying high speed trains.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at May 19, 2015 11:08 AM (VitI8)
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"But Republicans, as the ostensible party of conservatism, have an obligation to consider the extant fact of Amtrak, which is a critical institution for millions of Americans. By supposed conservative principles, it is not appropriate to sacrifice the current needs of existing people in pursuit of an ideological utopia."
hmmm, no, fuck you, next question.
hmmm, no, fuck you, next question.
Posted by: X at May 19, 2015 11:09 AM (n5fTN)
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 19, 2015 11:09 AM (0FSuD)
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I lived in Albuquerque for about twenty years and they had bus service, but it was a pain. You had to wait, you had to change buses.
You could buy a little vespa scooter and go any where you wanted at any time and gas would cost you two dollars a month. Of course insurance, registration and maintenance was more, but not much.
You could buy a little vespa scooter and go any where you wanted at any time and gas would cost you two dollars a month. Of course insurance, registration and maintenance was more, but not much.
Posted by: Chas Bud Flowers at May 19, 2015 11:09 AM (YI9Ph)
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Rich assholes traversing between DC and NYC who can all afford to travel in other ways?
Hey, I resent that. Traversing the Bay Bridge is a pain in the ass for my motorcade.
Hey, I resent that. Traversing the Bay Bridge is a pain in the ass for my motorcade.
Posted by: VP Joe at May 19, 2015 11:10 AM (bpemY)
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Progressives used to worry about Amtrak, just like they used to worry about the National Endowment For The Arts and Public Broadcasting. Now that's the small shit.
Progs have bigger fish to fry today. They're aiming now at government taking over the internet, controlling free political speech, preventing exposes of yacht parking in adjacent states, and Fun Camp for unrepentant Republicans (those who haven't "died out" that is).
Progs have bigger fish to fry today. They're aiming now at government taking over the internet, controlling free political speech, preventing exposes of yacht parking in adjacent states, and Fun Camp for unrepentant Republicans (those who haven't "died out" that is).
Posted by: MTF, Train Taker at May 19, 2015 11:10 AM (FCsIb)
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Does Amtrak stop in Rock Ridge?
Posted by: Garrett at May 19, 2015 11:06 AM (bgxRb)
Well, there's always the legal precedent of Haley vs. United States. Haley: 7, United States: nothing.
Does Amtrak stop in Rock Ridge?
Posted by: Garrett at May 19, 2015 11:06 AM (bgxRb)
Well, there's always the legal precedent of Haley vs. United States. Haley: 7, United States: nothing.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 19, 2015 11:10 AM (lpeQC)
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It's just fucking baffling. One need only ask themselves, "What does government do well?" or "When has socialism EVER worked; EVER made things better for anyone?"
Yet they never ask themselves these questions. Instead, they just have one answer - no questions - but one answer. If only there were more government control and it would be better.
Yet they never ask themselves these questions. Instead, they just have one answer - no questions - but one answer. If only there were more government control and it would be better.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 19, 2015 11:10 AM (BZAd3)
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For liberals, Society and culture = government (which means that government = society and culture.
For conservatives, society and culture > government.
For conservatives, society and culture > government.
Posted by: SH at May 19, 2015 11:11 AM (gmeXX)
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"To be conservative, then, is to prefer the familiar to the unknown, to prefer the tried to the untried, fact to mystery, the actual to the possible, the limited to the unbounded, the near to the distant, the sufficient to the superabundant, the convenient to the perfect, present laughter to utopian bliss. [On Being Conservative"
Which is why I plead with people who call themselves "conservative" to ponder what exactly they are attempting to conserve and why. Some aspects of society are moral, true and worth conserving. Others need to be scrapped and replaced. But above all, we are entrusted with the LIBERTY that we must conserve, not only for ourselves, but to pass on to our children. (at least the ones we allow to be born).
That is why I am far more oriented at "liberty" than "conservation".
Which is why I plead with people who call themselves "conservative" to ponder what exactly they are attempting to conserve and why. Some aspects of society are moral, true and worth conserving. Others need to be scrapped and replaced. But above all, we are entrusted with the LIBERTY that we must conserve, not only for ourselves, but to pass on to our children. (at least the ones we allow to be born).
That is why I am far more oriented at "liberty" than "conservation".
Posted by: theBuckWheat at May 19, 2015 11:12 AM (nmcha)
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Idiots in the bay area who refused to move to Sacramento for their gov jobs, wd privately charter buses. I'd see 2 of them at 4-5 am in Berkeley waiting for their passengers. They'd belch exhaust and were really old. I guess when it comes out of their own pockets, the left isnt so concerned about the environment.
Posted by: Bruce J. at May 19, 2015 11:12 AM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Citizen X at May 19, 2015 11:12 AM (7ObY1)
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C'mon - trains are our future - just ask Joe Biden and Moonbeam. And these are the guys that can make them run on time. Il Douche commands we invest in 19th century technology cuz Progressive and Fascist, but mostly Fascist.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 19, 2015 11:13 AM (oDCMR)
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Their protectors? I would prefer to hang them en mass.
Posted by: maddogg at May 19, 2015 11:13 AM (xWW96)
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That may be the dumbest article I have ever read.
Posted by: SH at May 19, 2015 11:15 AM (gmeXX)
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To summarize progressives, history is a ratchet, moving only in one direction, toward more government control and power.
Progressives are in fact ultra conservatives, in that the direction they wish to go, toward tyranny, is old fashioned, and the sorry state of mankind throughout most of human history. They simply wish to return us to the chains we have so recently left behind. Naturally they are too stupid to understand this, or simply don't care, because the potential benefits far outwiegh the risk. The primary benefit being an overweening narcisssim, and feeling good about themselves. They are children. candy today. candy everyday.
I'd be perfectly happy with "progress" that somehow meant less government control and intrusion into our lives. Funny how that is never on the table.
Progressives are in fact ultra conservatives, in that the direction they wish to go, toward tyranny, is old fashioned, and the sorry state of mankind throughout most of human history. They simply wish to return us to the chains we have so recently left behind. Naturally they are too stupid to understand this, or simply don't care, because the potential benefits far outwiegh the risk. The primary benefit being an overweening narcisssim, and feeling good about themselves. They are children. candy today. candy everyday.
I'd be perfectly happy with "progress" that somehow meant less government control and intrusion into our lives. Funny how that is never on the table.
Posted by: PT Barnum at May 19, 2015 11:15 AM (VKFEZ)
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Why stop with Amtrak? By this convoluted logic, conservatives should be all in favor of amnesty because those illegals are individuals who are getting themselves across the borders pretty much on their own.
And you could say they should favor Choom Boy, too. Didn't he go to school and get edumificated or somethin'?
But of course there are people who claim to be "conservatives" who are deathly afraid of rocking the boat. I'm talkin' to you, Poppin' Fresh.
And you could say they should favor Choom Boy, too. Didn't he go to school and get edumificated or somethin'?
But of course there are people who claim to be "conservatives" who are deathly afraid of rocking the boat. I'm talkin' to you, Poppin' Fresh.
Posted by: MrScribbler at May 19, 2015 11:16 AM (P8YHq)
Posted by: Garrett at May 19, 2015 11:16 AM (bgxRb)
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Ryan Cooper is obviously an imbecile with an imbecile's understanding of the conservative movement.
Posted by: maddogg at May 19, 2015 11:16 AM (xWW96)
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Ryan Cooper is completely JV. That's why he gets assigned to defending Amtrak and not to the really important stuff. The Progressives aren't really even trying on this one.
Smarter more important Progs get assigned to protecting the Hillary halo. Or the notion that losing Ramadi is "a bump in the road" and "not really a big deal". Or, "the FCC and the FEC should control political speech on the internet".
Smarter more important Progs get assigned to protecting the Hillary halo. Or the notion that losing Ramadi is "a bump in the road" and "not really a big deal". Or, "the FCC and the FEC should control political speech on the internet".
Posted by: MTF, Train Taker at May 19, 2015 11:16 AM (FCsIb)
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To summarize progressives, history is a ratchet, moving only in one direction, toward more government control and power.
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A good case for the GOP to abolish the filibuster which is the key mechanism for the ratchet.
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A good case for the GOP to abolish the filibuster which is the key mechanism for the ratchet.
Posted by: SH at May 19, 2015 11:16 AM (gmeXX)
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Conservatives are for not trying to fix things that ain't broke. Not for continuing to fund something that is broke.
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 19, 2015 11:16 AM (8cSVB)
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My son rode one of those cheap buses from DC to NYC. Said it took a while, but the bus was clean and they had wifi. He worked the entire ride. $20
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 19, 2015 11:17 AM (0FSuD)
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So his argument is that we already have trains, so we must keep trains. By that logic, since we shot Kennedy, we should shoot every Democrat president.
Posted by: Ted K at May 19, 2015 11:17 AM (EoZOL)
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"But millions of people use Amtrak.."
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Millions of people abuse drugs, suck on the welfare teat, sit unemployed on their lazy asses, drop out of school and fill our prisons.
Big fucking deal.
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Millions of people abuse drugs, suck on the welfare teat, sit unemployed on their lazy asses, drop out of school and fill our prisons.
Big fucking deal.
Posted by: Roy at May 19, 2015 11:17 AM (VndSC)
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It's not even Ace either.
Posted by: maddogg at May 19, 2015 11:17 AM (xWW96)
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"But Republicans, as the ostensible party of conservatism, have an obligation to consider the extant fact of Amtrak, which is a critical institution for millions of Americans."
I am not obligated to fulfill their wants.
I am not obligated to fulfill their wants.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Buy A Malediction, Get an Imaginary Insult Half Off! at May 19, 2015 11:18 AM (hLRSq)
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To be conservative, then, is to prefer the familiar to the unknown, to prefer the tried to the untried, fact to mystery, the actual to the possible, the limited to the unbounded, the near to the distant, the sufficient to the superabundant, the convenient to the perfect, present laughter to utopian bliss.
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Dontcha just love people that define what they think you are, then harpoon you when you turn out to be something other than their definition.
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Dontcha just love people that define what they think you are, then harpoon you when you turn out to be something other than their definition.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2015 11:18 AM (8XRCm)
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To give an example of conservative "progress" how about this. For gay marriage, how about we simply get the government out of the job of defining what marriage is. Then people would be free to do whatever they want. They can have traditional marriage, or gay marriage, and no one has to "oppress" anyone else. No one has to recognize anyone else marriage, or provide them with special accommodations, unless they want to.
What's that progressives? That is not on the table? You will only accept gay marriage sanctioned by the government and forced on an unwilling populace?
Thought so.
What's that progressives? That is not on the table? You will only accept gay marriage sanctioned by the government and forced on an unwilling populace?
Thought so.
Posted by: PT Barnum at May 19, 2015 11:19 AM (VKFEZ)
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THEN WHO IS ACE???
THEN WHO IS ACE???
Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2015 11:19 AM (8XRCm)
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Let me define The Liberal; Dumber than a bag of fresh cat shit and completely immune to learning anything from their mistakes because they never make any.
Posted by: maddogg at May 19, 2015 11:20 AM (xWW96)
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Conservatives prefer the tried to the untried.
The implication is that Amtrak is the 'tried and passed the test'. Except that Amtrak has been tried and has not passed the test of profitability and sustainability. Does it make sense to work in an urban center, and live fifty miles away in a 'bedroom community'? No, it does not. Rather than take the train everyday, why not an apartment in the city where you can walk to work, perhaps in the same building.
Rent control. Zoning, restrictions on new building construction. The rent is too damn high. So people live in the suburbs and complain about traffic congestion.
The implication is that Amtrak is the 'tried and passed the test'. Except that Amtrak has been tried and has not passed the test of profitability and sustainability. Does it make sense to work in an urban center, and live fifty miles away in a 'bedroom community'? No, it does not. Rather than take the train everyday, why not an apartment in the city where you can walk to work, perhaps in the same building.
Rent control. Zoning, restrictions on new building construction. The rent is too damn high. So people live in the suburbs and complain about traffic congestion.
Posted by: Chas Bud Flowers at May 19, 2015 11:20 AM (YI9Ph)
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Reminds me of when I was working. We would be at a meeting with some new program/wave of the future way of doing things. When you questioned how certain items would be workable, as it would cost more money and the company hated to spend more money, I was told I needed to be a team player.
A few years later the new program would be thought of as unworkable because...MONEY. A new program with all of the same pitfalls would be discussed.....and so on and so on.
This is why it's so much fun working for a large company. The people running things all seem to be such brain-damaged idiots, you have to wonder how they ever got to be where they are. And they never learn. The same business fads and crappy ideas get recycled as Teh Best Thing In The World every 4-5 years.
A few years later the new program would be thought of as unworkable because...MONEY. A new program with all of the same pitfalls would be discussed.....and so on and so on.
This is why it's so much fun working for a large company. The people running things all seem to be such brain-damaged idiots, you have to wonder how they ever got to be where they are. And they never learn. The same business fads and crappy ideas get recycled as Teh Best Thing In The World every 4-5 years.
Posted by: OregonMuse at May 19, 2015 11:20 AM (KjA4V)
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128 I'm just throwing out ideas here but I see a huge industry employing millions of Americans that only Joe Biden and Obama can kick start: Flying trains. Flying high speed trains.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at May 19, 2015 11:08 AM (VitI
I'm on it.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at May 19, 2015 11:08 AM (VitI
I'm on it.
Posted by: Doc Emmit Brow at May 19, 2015 11:21 AM (zt+N6)
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I had looked into AMTRAK to get the wife from Chicago to see her sister in Pennsylvania.
More expensive then flying. Takes about 10 times as long. Need to get to Chicago, and hour away, to get on the train(as opposed to Ohare which is about 45 minutes away.
Still need to rent a car to complete the journey.
Where do I sign up?
More expensive then flying. Takes about 10 times as long. Need to get to Chicago, and hour away, to get on the train(as opposed to Ohare which is about 45 minutes away.
Still need to rent a car to complete the journey.
Where do I sign up?
Posted by: Bruce at May 19, 2015 11:21 AM (8ikIW)
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Is there some kind of law that says you have to have an IQ below 85 before you can be a liberal?
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at May 19, 2015 11:21 AM (YYJjz)
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Sock fail
Posted by: Doc Emmit Brown at May 19, 2015 11:21 AM (zt+N6)
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135 It's just fucking baffling. One need only ask themselves, "What does government do well?" or "When has socialism EVER worked; EVER made things better for anyone?"
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Totally agree. I don't get it either. I ask my progressive relatives this question all the time and they just laugh me off, without answering.
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Totally agree. I don't get it either. I ask my progressive relatives this question all the time and they just laugh me off, without answering.
Posted by: MTF, Train Taker at May 19, 2015 11:21 AM (FCsIb)
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Conservatives do prefer the tried - if it works. Like capitalism, free market economics and civil liberty. And we have no problem getting rid of the tried if it's shit - like government-commanded economies and the welfare state.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2015 11:22 AM (2Ojst)
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Is there some kind of law that says you have to have an IQ below 85 before you can be a liberal?
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at May 19, 2015 11:21 AM (YYJjz)
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The laws of nature are seldom written down.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at May 19, 2015 11:21 AM (YYJjz)
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The laws of nature are seldom written down.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2015 11:22 AM (8XRCm)
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Hey progressives, how about for race relations we simply drop all special programs and set asides for minorities, and just let people relate to each other any way they want. benefits and programs could be merit based. the government could focus on making the goverment racially neutral, and leave the rest of us to sort things out in a mutually acceptable way.
What's that? You will only accept racial "progress" if the government gets to intrude in every single relationship we have? Oh okay then.
What's that? You will only accept racial "progress" if the government gets to intrude in every single relationship we have? Oh okay then.
Posted by: PT Barnum at May 19, 2015 11:23 AM (VKFEZ)
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>>I love trains and would love to travel across the country on one. But the Amtrak prices made me balk.
I'm pretty sure when I lived in DC I looked into and amtrack prices were comparable to the airline prices, and airlines got you there in an hour. So...the only reason to go would be because you loved trains. Or hate flying. It's not efficient and it's not cheap. You need to be one of those things!
I'm pretty sure when I lived in DC I looked into and amtrack prices were comparable to the airline prices, and airlines got you there in an hour. So...the only reason to go would be because you loved trains. Or hate flying. It's not efficient and it's not cheap. You need to be one of those things!
Posted by: Lea at May 19, 2015 11:23 AM (lIU4e)
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You know the guy that invented the pet rock made a million dollars right?
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 19, 2015 11:23 AM (UnJ7w)
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170 You know the guy that invented the pet rock made a million dollars right?
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 19, 2015 11:23 AM (UnJ7w)
I'm already lamenting my life choices, don't make it worse.
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 19, 2015 11:23 AM (UnJ7w)
I'm already lamenting my life choices, don't make it worse.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2015 11:23 AM (2Ojst)
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It's not even Ace either.
It's amazing to me how many can't seem to tell the difference between ace and the cobs. Even though it says "Drew" right up there at the top, they think it's ace.
Heck, I've even received e-mail at the book thread e-mail address that starts out "Dear Ace..."
It's amazing to me how many can't seem to tell the difference between ace and the cobs. Even though it says "Drew" right up there at the top, they think it's ace.
Heck, I've even received e-mail at the book thread e-mail address that starts out "Dear Ace..."
Posted by: OregonMuse at May 19, 2015 11:24 AM (KjA4V)
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Hey progressives, why don't we sell Amtrak to Elon Musk? he has this nifty idea for building a hyperloop that promises to be many times faster and cheaper than Accella.
What's that? Only a massive government controlled train system is on the table? Okay then.
What's that? Only a massive government controlled train system is on the table? Okay then.
Posted by: PT Barnum at May 19, 2015 11:24 AM (VKFEZ)
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I'm fighting every day to move our country forward, but Republicans in Congress have blocked me every step of the way.
They've voted to repeal health care. They've blocked my executive nominations. They've even threatened to impeach me.
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I would happily donate $5 to SCOAMF if any of that were true.
They've voted to repeal health care. They've blocked my executive nominations. They've even threatened to impeach me.
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I would happily donate $5 to SCOAMF if any of that were true.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 19, 2015 11:25 AM (fWAjv)
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By that logic conservatives should now be in favor of Obamacare.
Posted by: Muldoon
Also, interventions in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. After all, those were all actions of long standing.
By that logic conservatives should now be in favor of Obamacare.
Posted by: Muldoon
Also, interventions in Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East. After all, those were all actions of long standing.
Posted by: pep at May 19, 2015 11:25 AM (GMG6W)
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The Bus???"
They just started a new bus line between Austin and DFW that's a "luxury" bus. It costs the same as plane ticket, but you have a lot more room to spread out and relax. Apparently it's quite nice, though I can't really see the reason to take it.
The Bus???"
They just started a new bus line between Austin and DFW that's a "luxury" bus. It costs the same as plane ticket, but you have a lot more room to spread out and relax. Apparently it's quite nice, though I can't really see the reason to take it.
Posted by: Lauren at May 19, 2015 11:25 AM (MYCIw)
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So, I understand the phallic imagery of a train running into a tunnel. But what about when a train runs into another train? That can't be good, can it?
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 19, 2015 11:25 AM (lHb9q)
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But Republicans, as the ostensible party of conservatism,
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Fact check rates this as not true.
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Fact check rates this as not true.
Posted by: SH at May 19, 2015 11:25 AM (gmeXX)
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I thought Drew would still be in the shower, crying.
Posted by: Ben Bishop at May 19, 2015 11:26 AM (bgxRb)
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Am I the only one who thinks Elon Musk is a windbag and a snakeoil salesman?
Posted by: maddogg at May 19, 2015 11:26 AM (xWW96)
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177 So, I understand the phallic imagery of a train running into a tunnel. But what about when a train runs into another train? That can't be good, can it?
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 19, 2015 11:25 AM (lHb9q)
Docking. But it only works if one train is uncircumcised.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 19, 2015 11:25 AM (lHb9q)
Docking. But it only works if one train is uncircumcised.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2015 11:26 AM (2Ojst)
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I'm pretty sure the only trains that make any money are the ones people ride for fun. Probably the napa wine train and maybe the silverton Colorado train make money? I haven't researched it though.
I took amtrack once. It was a bus on train tracks, basically. I took the metro all the time, though. Subway systems in big cities do make sense, although I think many are subsidized as well.
I took amtrack once. It was a bus on train tracks, basically. I took the metro all the time, though. Subway systems in big cities do make sense, although I think many are subsidized as well.
Posted by: Lea at May 19, 2015 11:27 AM (lIU4e)
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So...the only reason to go would be because you loved trains. Or hate
flying. It's not efficient and it's not cheap. You need to be one of
those things!
The train has bigger seats. I'll give them that.
flying. It's not efficient and it's not cheap. You need to be one of
those things!
The train has bigger seats. I'll give them that.
Posted by: pep at May 19, 2015 11:27 AM (GMG6W)
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By that logic conservatives should now be in favor of Obamacare.
Posted by: Muldoon
Funny thing....
Posted by: The Republicans - Taking a Dive Yet Again
By that logic conservatives should now be in favor of Obamacare.
Posted by: Muldoon
Funny thing....
Posted by: The Republicans - Taking a Dive Yet Again
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 19, 2015 11:27 AM (kdS6q)
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"By this convoluted logic, conservatives should be all in favor of amnesty..."
Illegals pulling rickshaws. Green energy, baby!
Illegals pulling rickshaws. Green energy, baby!
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at May 19, 2015 11:27 AM (01ktV)
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"Dear Ace, It's me Margaret.". That is the working title to my new Moron self-help book.
Posted by: Arson Wells at May 19, 2015 11:27 AM (UnJ7w)
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Posted by: OregonMuse at May 19, 2015 11:24 AM (KjA4V)
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Maybe they just mean it in a generic way, like, "Hey Sport" or "Looky here, Dude."
Look at the bright side, they're not calling you "Skippy".
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Maybe they just mean it in a generic way, like, "Hey Sport" or "Looky here, Dude."
Look at the bright side, they're not calling you "Skippy".
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 19, 2015 11:28 AM (lHb9q)
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"2 I had looked into AMTRAK to get the wife from Chicago to see her sister in Pennsylvania."
And that's coming out of the Chicago hub. It's way worse if you're anywhere else in the country.
My MIL wanted to take the train from DFW to Florida just for the fun of it. It got decidedly less fun when she realized that in order to get to Florida she'd first have to go all the way up to Chicago and then come back down, adding two days to the trip.
Even a fun cross country train ride gets much less fun when you don't have any time to actually spend at your destination.
And that's coming out of the Chicago hub. It's way worse if you're anywhere else in the country.
My MIL wanted to take the train from DFW to Florida just for the fun of it. It got decidedly less fun when she realized that in order to get to Florida she'd first have to go all the way up to Chicago and then come back down, adding two days to the trip.
Even a fun cross country train ride gets much less fun when you don't have any time to actually spend at your destination.
Posted by: Lauren at May 19, 2015 11:28 AM (MYCIw)
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o, I understand the phallic imagery of a train
running into a tunnel. But what about when a train runs into another
train? That can't be good, can it?
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man
Kinda like gay man sex, weiner e weiner
running into a tunnel. But what about when a train runs into another
train? That can't be good, can it?
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man
Kinda like gay man sex, weiner e weiner
Posted by: Bruce at May 19, 2015 11:28 AM (8ikIW)
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So when we get all these driverless cars, trucks and buses we will still need passenger rail cuz social justice for commuters in the NYC and Boston? Its Selma all over again!
Where is my sustainable driverless nuclear fired automobile. Run that by a Liberal and watch their head explode. Progressive my ass.
Where is my sustainable driverless nuclear fired automobile. Run that by a Liberal and watch their head explode. Progressive my ass.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 19, 2015 11:28 AM (oDCMR)
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BTW - Amtrak* has to be reauthorized every few years. So, the GOP could make this go away, but -- you know.
*Railpax, we never knew yee
BTW - Amtrak* has to be reauthorized every few years. So, the GOP could make this go away, but -- you know.
*Railpax, we never knew yee
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 19, 2015 11:28 AM (kdS6q)
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All liberals have a strawman conservative. And they mean to beat the hell out of it whenever it is useful.
Actual conservatives, they don't exist.
Actual conservatives, they don't exist.
Posted by: RoyalOil at May 19, 2015 11:29 AM (ZvKdv)
Posted by: Lauren at May 19, 2015 11:29 AM (MYCIw)
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Amtrak's Black Diamond Line is the fast track to perdition.
Posted by: Fritz at May 19, 2015 11:30 AM (UzPAd)
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That is why I am far more oriented at "liberty" than "conservation".
You keep using that word. It doesn't mean what you think it means.
You keep using that word. It doesn't mean what you think it means.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 19, 2015 11:30 AM (0HooB)
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"I think they closed the silverton line in Colorado. "
Really? I was just trying to compose a comment about the Durango-Silverton being a nice train ride. You had to make reservations, as I remember it.
Really? I was just trying to compose a comment about the Durango-Silverton being a nice train ride. You had to make reservations, as I remember it.
Posted by: Chas Bud Flowers at May 19, 2015 11:31 AM (YI9Ph)
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135 It's just fucking baffling. One need only ask themselves, "What does government do well?" or "When has socialism EVER worked; EVER made things better for anyone?"
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Totally agree. I don't get it either. I ask my progressive relatives this question all the time and they just laugh me off, without answering.
Posted by: MTF, Train Taker at May 19, 2015 11:21 AM (FCsIb)
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It doesnt work because everything in Socialism goes against human nature. People will not willing work and earn to provide for people they do not know. People will not reduce their and families quality of life for total strangers. The only working example of a funtional unit that embraces Socialism is the family. Parents earn and provide for the family members that dont. And family is in the social crosshairs today.
Since socialism goes against human nature... the only way to implement it is thru coercion and force. Even in the "mild" cases of Socialism, like Europe, Britain and Obamas Amerika...... it is by onerous laws, rules and overbearing govt imprisoning folks and ruin lives **cough Lois Lerner cough**. Followed to its logical conclusion, we arrive at Pol Pots killing fields, Stalins Ukraine, Maos Cultural Revolution, Castro and Che's Firing Squads, and the Purges of North Korea.
There are no exeptions.
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Totally agree. I don't get it either. I ask my progressive relatives this question all the time and they just laugh me off, without answering.
Posted by: MTF, Train Taker at May 19, 2015 11:21 AM (FCsIb)
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It doesnt work because everything in Socialism goes against human nature. People will not willing work and earn to provide for people they do not know. People will not reduce their and families quality of life for total strangers. The only working example of a funtional unit that embraces Socialism is the family. Parents earn and provide for the family members that dont. And family is in the social crosshairs today.
Since socialism goes against human nature... the only way to implement it is thru coercion and force. Even in the "mild" cases of Socialism, like Europe, Britain and Obamas Amerika...... it is by onerous laws, rules and overbearing govt imprisoning folks and ruin lives **cough Lois Lerner cough**. Followed to its logical conclusion, we arrive at Pol Pots killing fields, Stalins Ukraine, Maos Cultural Revolution, Castro and Che's Firing Squads, and the Purges of North Korea.
There are no exeptions.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2015 11:31 AM (8XRCm)
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Where is a drone strike when you need one.
ISIS holds Military parade in Anbar province.
http://tinyurl.com/mwn8r9l
ISIS holds Military parade in Anbar province.
http://tinyurl.com/mwn8r9l
Posted by: wrg500 at May 19, 2015 11:31 AM (S+el1)
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So, if you boil down Drew's post to it's essence it would be "everything that that guy said is bullshit!"
And I agree heartily.
So, if you boil down Drew's post to it's essence it would be "everything that that guy said is bullshit!"
And I agree heartily.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 19, 2015 11:31 AM (St6BJ)
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Hey, ya'll! Decided to stay on Pedophile Isle through Memorial Day. Lyin' and layin' low don't ya know. Enjoy your work week - those of you with jobs! Haw!
Posted by: Bill in Chappaqua at May 19, 2015 11:31 AM (NPgvx)
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The liberals hate conservatives
But don't know what conservative means
They've never read Burke
And know nothing of Kirk
But still babble out their fever dreams
But don't know what conservative means
They've never read Burke
And know nothing of Kirk
But still babble out their fever dreams
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2015 11:31 AM (2Ojst)
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I think they closed the silverton line in Colorado.
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No, it's up and running regularly (I think it makes three runs a day from Durango). Tourist season only.
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No, it's up and running regularly (I think it makes three runs a day from Durango). Tourist season only.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 19, 2015 11:32 AM (lHb9q)
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But don't know what conservative means
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That's ok being a libertarian means that you support Obamacare.
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That's ok being a libertarian means that you support Obamacare.
Posted by: SH at May 19, 2015 11:32 AM (gmeXX)
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197 Followed to its logical conclusion, we arrive at Pol Pots killing fields, Stalins Ukraine, Maos Cultural Revolution, Castro and Che's Firing Squads, and the Purges of North Korea.
There are no exeptions.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2015 11:31 AM (8XRCm)
You left out Hitler's Germany. Oh yes you did.
There are no exeptions.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2015 11:31 AM (8XRCm)
You left out Hitler's Germany. Oh yes you did.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 19, 2015 11:32 AM (St6BJ)
Posted by: maddogg at May 19, 2015 11:32 AM (xWW96)
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Perfect job opportunity for a warthog.
Posted by: maddogg at May 19, 2015 11:32 AM (xWW96)
Too much work.
Posted by: maddogg at May 19, 2015 11:32 AM (xWW96)
Too much work.
Posted by: Pumbaa at May 19, 2015 11:33 AM (2Ojst)
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>>I think they closed the silverton line in Colorado.
Aww, really? It was funny. But scary, I think it was on the side of a cliff! (or more probably a mountain)
Aww, really? It was funny. But scary, I think it was on the side of a cliff! (or more probably a mountain)
Posted by: Lea at May 19, 2015 11:33 AM (lIU4e)
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Fun, I mean.
Posted by: Lea at May 19, 2015 11:33 AM (lIU4e)
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It's easy to deal with. In the morning, look in the mirror and repeat: "I am a racist!", "I don't care about your kids!", and "I like to look at nice tits!"; then floss, lather up and shave. Continue with your day.
Posted by: Jean at May 19, 2015 11:33 AM (ztOda)
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You left out Hitler's Germany. Oh yes you did.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 19, 2015 11:32 AM (St6BJ)
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Well..... Godwin made me do that....
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 19, 2015 11:32 AM (St6BJ)
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Well..... Godwin made me do that....
Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2015 11:34 AM (8XRCm)
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"66
I love the Jap rail system. You can feel up chicks in the train there all the time during rush hour!
Posted by: joey biden at May 19, 2015 10:47 AM (kivUY)"
And that is where up skirt photography first became popular.
I love the Jap rail system. You can feel up chicks in the train there all the time during rush hour!
Posted by: joey biden at May 19, 2015 10:47 AM (kivUY)"
And that is where up skirt photography first became popular.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at May 19, 2015 11:34 AM (KDbAT)
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>>No, it's up and running regularly (I think it makes three runs a day from Durango). Tourist season only.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 19, 2015 11:32 AM (lHb9q)
Oh good.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 19, 2015 11:32 AM (lHb9q)
Oh good.
Posted by: Lea at May 19, 2015 11:34 AM (lIU4e)
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Choo choo!
Posted by: Joe Biden at May 19, 2015 11:35 AM (VAsIq)
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By that logic conservatives should now be in favor of Obamacare.
Posted by: Muldoon
That's argument was used by pundits when it went to Supreme Court the first time. It's pretty stupid.
Posted by: Muldoon
That's argument was used by pundits when it went to Supreme Court the first time. It's pretty stupid.
Posted by: Dan at May 19, 2015 11:35 AM (/Yhfj)
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I don't think any of our political labels make sense.
Posted by: Feh at May 19, 2015 11:35 AM (NDluf)
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The engineers on the Durango-Silverton train will toot their whistle (not a euphemism) if you give them the "pump-your-arm-up-and-down" sign (also not a euphemism) from your car along the stretches of US 550 where the train parallels the highway.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 19, 2015 11:35 AM (lHb9q)
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Hey, conservatives, did I mention that in addition to being evil and stupid, you have to agree with everything I say? Because you do, you know. Intellectual consistency and all that.
Posted by: every freaking moonbat liberal ever at May 19, 2015 11:36 AM (srUH9)
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and "END WITHHOLDING", the gains a big government are "locked in" because the crafty bastards got rid of the feedback side of the control loop.
Make everyone write a big check at the end of the fiscal year, then vote a few weeks later. We'll see how "locked in" their shit is.
Make everyone write a big check at the end of the fiscal year, then vote a few weeks later. We'll see how "locked in" their shit is.
Posted by: Jean at May 19, 2015 11:36 AM (ztOda)
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I think Ryan Cooper's argument regarding AmTrak is absurd, I will say though I can understand certain arguments being made that conservative public policy should be cautious when it wants to make huge sweeping changes over night.
An example would be Social Security, there's some conservatives that basically say just cancel the whole program right now and instead just let people plan their own retirement and that anything short of that is surrender.
The social upheaval that would come from something like that would have severe consequences, I think a better "conservative" approach would be some sort of gradual easing into a private type option for younger workers.
An example would be Social Security, there's some conservatives that basically say just cancel the whole program right now and instead just let people plan their own retirement and that anything short of that is surrender.
The social upheaval that would come from something like that would have severe consequences, I think a better "conservative" approach would be some sort of gradual easing into a private type option for younger workers.
Posted by: McAdams at May 19, 2015 11:37 AM (Yl4rU)
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Amtrak now carries Elmer's snacks for me. Chewy choo choo!
Posted by: Joe Biden at May 19, 2015 11:37 AM (VAsIq)
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Yes, the Durango-Silverton is on the side of a mountain. One window is inches away from hard rock, and the other side is hanging over the edge of a cliff. Not the whole way of course. And it's steam powered.
Posted by: Chas Bud Flowers at May 19, 2015 11:37 AM (YI9Ph)
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The only place you can get your head into the proper atmosphere for leftard thinking is up your ass.
Posted by: maddogg at May 19, 2015 11:38 AM (xWW96)
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Posted by: wrg500 at May 19, 2015 11:31 AM (S+el1)
Perfect job opportunity for a warthog.
Posted by: maddogg at May 19, 2015 11:32 AM (xWW96)"
To really make a statement, a B-52 raid dropping naplam. That is some video that ISIS would probably not put up on the internet.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 19, 2015 11:31 AM (S+el1)
Perfect job opportunity for a warthog.
Posted by: maddogg at May 19, 2015 11:32 AM (xWW96)"
To really make a statement, a B-52 raid dropping naplam. That is some video that ISIS would probably not put up on the internet.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at May 19, 2015 11:38 AM (KDbAT)
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To go from Greensboro NC to Boston, MA on Amtrak costs 486 dollars, includes a transfer at Baltimore, and begins at 3:45 AM. What a hassle.
Posted by: LincolnTf at May 19, 2015 11:39 AM (2cS/G)
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If Ryan Cooper wants to lecture us on how conservatives must support Amtrak because of our nature, he should at least have a clue what our nature is, not what his prejudices and cocooned proggie peers think we are.
His pablum that he typed out proves that he knows as much about our nature as he knows about fucking or quantum physics
His pablum that he typed out proves that he knows as much about our nature as he knows about fucking or quantum physics
Posted by: kbdabear at May 19, 2015 11:39 AM (GrXXa)
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Slavery was an institution that has existed for a long, long time, and then Republicans had to come along and break it up.
So, see?
Oh, wait.
Oh, yeah, see, you had to agree with Democrats to do that!
The Klan was made up of Democrats? Yeah, but then they turned into Republicans! You evil and stupid conservatives! Man, John Stewart was ON FIRE last night!
So, see?
Oh, wait.
Oh, yeah, see, you had to agree with Democrats to do that!
The Klan was made up of Democrats? Yeah, but then they turned into Republicans! You evil and stupid conservatives! Man, John Stewart was ON FIRE last night!
Posted by: every freaking moonbat liberal ever at May 19, 2015 11:40 AM (srUH9)
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The social upheaval that would come from something like that would have severe consequences, I think a better "conservative" approach would be some sort of gradual easing into a private type option for younger workers.
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Chicken and egg. We wouldn't get to that point without much of society agreeing we should - so the social upheaval would be minimal. But if we were to just abolish it now without broad support to abolish - sure.
But your approach is why I support means testing. I think it would weaken public support for social security.
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Chicken and egg. We wouldn't get to that point without much of society agreeing we should - so the social upheaval would be minimal. But if we were to just abolish it now without broad support to abolish - sure.
But your approach is why I support means testing. I think it would weaken public support for social security.
Posted by: SH at May 19, 2015 11:40 AM (gmeXX)
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197 Followed to its logical conclusion, we arrive at Pol Pots killing fields, Stalins Ukraine, Maos Cultural Revolution, Castro and Che's Firing Squads, and the Purges of North Korea.
There are no exeptions.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2015 11:31 AM (8XRCm)
With media propped up in lounge chair watching the firing squads with a gin & tonic in their hands and a straw hat, ala Hemmingway.
There are no exeptions.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2015 11:31 AM (8XRCm)
With media propped up in lounge chair watching the firing squads with a gin & tonic in their hands and a straw hat, ala Hemmingway.
Posted by: Jean at May 19, 2015 11:40 AM (ztOda)
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*gives an 'ette an unwelcome back-rub*
I'm Vice-president of the United States.
I'm Vice-president of the United States.
Posted by: Joe Biden at May 19, 2015 11:40 AM (VAsIq)
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"No, it's up and running regularly (I think it makes three runs a day from Durango). Tourist season only."
Oh ok. I think I'm thinking of the one that came out of Denver. Can't remember the name of it now though.
Oh ok. I think I'm thinking of the one that came out of Denver. Can't remember the name of it now though.
Posted by: Lauren at May 19, 2015 11:40 AM (MYCIw)
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Just heard on local news the piece of safety equipment which would have forced the train to slow down is now installed. Didn't require more budget money, or special permissions.
Just a desire to get it done.
Just a desire to get it done.
Posted by: Am(un)Tracked at May 19, 2015 11:41 AM (xQX/f)
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To be conservative, then, is to prefer the familiar to the unknown, to
prefer the tried to the untried, fact to mystery, the actual to the
possible, the limited to the unbounded, the near to the distant, the
sufficient to the superabundant, the convenient to the perfect, present
laughter to utopian bliss.
I don't know about or tried and it's a mystery to me about rape.
Should I give it a try?
prefer the tried to the untried, fact to mystery, the actual to the
possible, the limited to the unbounded, the near to the distant, the
sufficient to the superabundant, the convenient to the perfect, present
laughter to utopian bliss.
I don't know about or tried and it's a mystery to me about rape.
Should I give it a try?
Posted by: Bruce at May 19, 2015 11:41 AM (8ikIW)
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I don't think Ryan Cooper's assertion was interesting enough to require a response. Enjoy reading DrewM though.
Posted by: Tommy V at May 19, 2015 11:42 AM (NBoRH)
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Disgusting how the Dems turned this Amtrak accident into a polit.... ohhhh wait.
We ARE talking about dems so yeah.
Still disgusting
We ARE talking about dems so yeah.
Still disgusting
Posted by: melodicmetal1 at May 19, 2015 11:42 AM (MV2jA)
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To get to Florida from Dallas on Amtrak, you have to 700 miles north to Chicago, then 1200 miles south to Florida.
That, in a nutshell, describes the inefficiency of not only Amtrak, but most government programs.
That, in a nutshell, describes the inefficiency of not only Amtrak, but most government programs.
Posted by: Mike at May 19, 2015 11:42 AM (1V9qu)
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*gives an 'ette an unwelcome back-rub*
I'm Vice-president of the United States.
Posted by: Joe Biden at May 19, 2015 11:40 AM (VAsIq
*ette castrates Joe Biden*
Your a gelding now
I'm Vice-president of the United States.
Posted by: Joe Biden at May 19, 2015 11:40 AM (VAsIq
*ette castrates Joe Biden*
Your a gelding now
Posted by: wrg500 at May 19, 2015 11:42 AM (S+el1)
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I'll believe in Amtrak. When this guy believes in the first two amendments to the Constitution.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 19, 2015 11:43 AM (VidtX)
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The Ski Train. I thought it had a more clever name.
Posted by: Lauren at May 19, 2015 11:43 AM (MYCIw)
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I don't know about or tried and it's a mystery to me about rape.
Should I give it a try?
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Is it Tuesday?
Should I give it a try?
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Is it Tuesday?
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 19, 2015 11:43 AM (VAsIq)
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"231
Just heard on local news the piece of safety equipment which would have
forced the train to slow down is now installed. Didn't require more
budget money, or special permissions.
Just a desire to get it done.
Posted by: Am(un)Tracked at May 19, 2015 11:41 AM (xQX/f)"
That's all well and good but have they relaid the track that was torn up in that massive derailment?
Just heard on local news the piece of safety equipment which would have
forced the train to slow down is now installed. Didn't require more
budget money, or special permissions.
Just a desire to get it done.
Posted by: Am(un)Tracked at May 19, 2015 11:41 AM (xQX/f)"
That's all well and good but have they relaid the track that was torn up in that massive derailment?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at May 19, 2015 11:43 AM (KDbAT)
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There might be money for infrastructure maintenance if it wasn't being wasted on the welfare state.
Posted by: Buddha at May 19, 2015 11:44 AM (3CczE)
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>>I think a better "conservative" approach would be some sort of gradual easing into a private type option for younger workers.
That was pretty much Bush's plan but it got screamed at the same as all the others.
Meanwhile, younger workers are mostly operating on the idea that they are going to get screwed on this. But I still don't like when people say that it's wrong for people to want some return on their SS dollars. I totally get why they do. The government has been taking 12.4% of my earnings for my entire working life with the promise I might, someday, get some of it back. That promise may have been wrong or lies, but its' still a hell of a lot of money.
That was pretty much Bush's plan but it got screamed at the same as all the others.
Meanwhile, younger workers are mostly operating on the idea that they are going to get screwed on this. But I still don't like when people say that it's wrong for people to want some return on their SS dollars. I totally get why they do. The government has been taking 12.4% of my earnings for my entire working life with the promise I might, someday, get some of it back. That promise may have been wrong or lies, but its' still a hell of a lot of money.
Posted by: Lea at May 19, 2015 11:44 AM (lIU4e)
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That's all well and good but have they relaid the track that was torn up in that massive derailment?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole
That'll require about 30 Billion dollars like when "Hurricane" Sandy hit.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole
That'll require about 30 Billion dollars like when "Hurricane" Sandy hit.
Posted by: Bruce at May 19, 2015 11:44 AM (8ikIW)
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16 potholes in the 4 miles to work this am.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 19, 2015 11:45 AM (VAsIq)
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I doubt anyone could make rail travel profitable without public subsidy, unless perhaps unions could be removed from the equation.
Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at May 19, 2015 11:46 AM (IAe6t)
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Just a desire to get it done.
Posted by: Am(un)Tracked at May 19, 2015 11:41 AM (xQX/f)"
...and dead people.
Posted by: Am(un)Tracked at May 19, 2015 11:41 AM (xQX/f)"
...and dead people.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at May 19, 2015 11:46 AM (01ktV)
Posted by: Senor MuMu at May 19, 2015 11:46 AM (VAsIq)
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The proper response to this idiotic rhetorical gambit is to ask whether the silly liberal in question supports privatizing Social Security.
"Why not? I thought liberals were supposed to like change."
"Why not? I thought liberals were supposed to like change."
Posted by: Matt Osterndorf at May 19, 2015 11:46 AM (EOnrD)
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He's engaging in pure sophistry.
And couldn't articulate a conservative perspective if his life depended on it.
Let Amtrak become a regional concern in those few corridors in the northeast that can support it themselves.
And couldn't articulate a conservative perspective if his life depended on it.
Let Amtrak become a regional concern in those few corridors in the northeast that can support it themselves.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 19, 2015 11:47 AM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Joe Biden at May 19, 2015 11:47 AM (srUH9)
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I don't think Ryan Cooper's assertion was interesting enough to require a response. Enjoy reading DrewM though.
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You can only write about blaming republicans so often.
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You can only write about blaming republicans so often.
Posted by: SH at May 19, 2015 11:48 AM (gmeXX)
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>>That, in a nutshell, describes the inefficiency of not only Amtrak, but most government programs.
When gas hit 4.50 or so I looked into the bus system here out of curiosity. It was pretty much the same thing on a smaller scale. I would have to walk a little bit to a bus stop (.5 miles maybe?) and then the bus would take you over the river to a different city, where you would change buses to come back to the city I actually lived in. This to get to an office three miles from my house. 45minutes to an hour. Ridiculous.
When gas hit 4.50 or so I looked into the bus system here out of curiosity. It was pretty much the same thing on a smaller scale. I would have to walk a little bit to a bus stop (.5 miles maybe?) and then the bus would take you over the river to a different city, where you would change buses to come back to the city I actually lived in. This to get to an office three miles from my house. 45minutes to an hour. Ridiculous.
Posted by: Lea at May 19, 2015 11:48 AM (lIU4e)
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If conservatism was followed, Amtrak never would have existed. The govt bailed out and then purchased what was mostly Penn Central.
But the outcry from unions and business that we "must save the jobs" doomed us forever apparently to this govt boondoggle.
If conservatism was followed, Amtrak never would have existed. The govt bailed out and then purchased what was mostly Penn Central.
But the outcry from unions and business that we "must save the jobs" doomed us forever apparently to this govt boondoggle.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 19, 2015 11:48 AM (ODxAs)
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Trains are ok, I guess, but you can't pull over when your kids are being little shits. That alone is reason enough to not take the train.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 19, 2015 11:48 AM (VAsIq)
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And as a marketing guy, I don't understand the attraction of Amtrak outside the Northeast Corridor. Planes are faster and cheaper.
I swear, if the Pony Express was a federal boondoggle, liberals would insist we keep funding it, too.
I swear, if the Pony Express was a federal boondoggle, liberals would insist we keep funding it, too.
Posted by: Mike at May 19, 2015 11:49 AM (1V9qu)
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Ryan Cooper's attempt at a smug "gotcha, stupid hypocrite cons!" was as laughable as atheist proggies who think they can embarrass Christians into being socialists because they the whole story of the New Testament was "Jesus hated rich people and loved the poor, why don't YOU!"
Once someone invents software that can generate talking points in a news article, journalists won't have any useful skills or knowledge at all.
Once someone invents software that can generate talking points in a news article, journalists won't have any useful skills or knowledge at all.
Posted by: kbdabear at May 19, 2015 11:49 AM (GrXXa)
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The government has been taking 12.4% of my earnings for my entire working life with the promise I might, someday, get some of it back. That promise may have been wrong or lies, but its' still a hell of a lot of money
They will claim it is "insurance" similar to homeowners insurance and you don't get any money back from the insurance money unless you have home damage. Just getting old is not people damage. It's coming.
They will claim it is "insurance" similar to homeowners insurance and you don't get any money back from the insurance money unless you have home damage. Just getting old is not people damage. It's coming.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 19, 2015 11:49 AM (W5DcG)
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This to get to an office three miles from my house. 45minutes to an hour.
You could walk the 3 miles that fast.
You could walk the 3 miles that fast.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 19, 2015 11:49 AM (S+el1)
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If conservatism was followed, Amtrak never would have existed. The govt bailed out and then purchased what was mostly Penn Central.
That created Conrail.
If conservatism was followed, Amtrak never would have existed. The govt bailed out and then purchased what was mostly Penn Central.
That created Conrail.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at May 19, 2015 11:50 AM (01ktV)
Posted by: Lea at May 19, 2015 11:51 AM (lIU4e)
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I suspect the priority for the speed control at that turn was for the Southbound side because that where the trains are entering a controlled area from a higher speed area. The Northbound side was a low priority because the train would have had to accelerate aggressively, through an urban area to get up to speed.
Now, its a management priority, but without functioning tracks, moot. Hurry up and wait.
Now, its a management priority, but without functioning tracks, moot. Hurry up and wait.
Posted by: Jean at May 19, 2015 11:51 AM (ztOda)
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>>You could walk the 3 miles that fast.
Although I would have to have walked up a HUGE hill with no sidewalks...
Although I would have to have walked up a HUGE hill with no sidewalks...
Posted by: Lea at May 19, 2015 11:51 AM (lIU4e)
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Wouldn't 'infrastructure' payments really just go into the pocket of Big Rail to upgrade their own tracks and equipment? Assfucks like Warren Buffet?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 19, 2015 11:52 AM (oVJmc)
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Nood. ALL THE CANDIDATES.
Posted by: Lauren at May 19, 2015 11:53 AM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Lea at May 19, 2015 11:53 AM (lIU4e)
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Although I would have to have walked up a HUGE hill with no sidewalks...
Posted by: Lea at May 19, 2015 11:51 AM (lIU4e)
Both ways
Posted by: Lea at May 19, 2015 11:51 AM (lIU4e)
Both ways
Posted by: wrg500 at May 19, 2015 11:54 AM (S+el1)
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Wouldn't 'infrastructure' payments really just go into the pocket of Big Rail to upgrade their own tracks and equipment?
Hahahahaha!
That's adorable!
Hahahahaha!
That's adorable!
Posted by: Union Fatcats at May 19, 2015 11:54 AM (srUH9)
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All the tracks are repaired in the crash area. Back to normal.
Posted by: Am(un)Tracked at May 19, 2015 11:55 AM (xQX/f)
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I just went looking for cost comparisons for road vs light rail and discovered a long list of light rail advocates that throw a lot of numbers around. My eyes glazed over by the second paragraph.
I'll go with a rule of thumb, if it was economically advantageous, there would be more light rail systems built, and they would be making a profit. Busses, it would seem, would be cheaper to set up because the roadways are already there. So why not busses?
I'll go with a rule of thumb, if it was economically advantageous, there would be more light rail systems built, and they would be making a profit. Busses, it would seem, would be cheaper to set up because the roadways are already there. So why not busses?
Posted by: Chas Bud Flowers at May 19, 2015 11:56 AM (YI9Ph)
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Conrail took some of the lines (freight mostly), but were allowed to abandon others which went to Amtrak.
Conrail took some of the lines (freight mostly), but were allowed to abandon others which went to Amtrak.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 19, 2015 11:57 AM (ODxAs)
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What Amtrak needs to do is offer Mad Max Passenger Cars and assless chaps. But mostly assless chaps.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 19, 2015 11:59 AM (oDCMR)
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If Mom asked Dad for a new car, he said "no", and the next day she drove the car off a boat launch, Dad would figure it out.
I can't be the only one making this connection with Amtrak/Philly.
I can't be the only one making this connection with Amtrak/Philly.
Posted by: MisterJohnGalt at May 19, 2015 12:05 PM (d3bx5)
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The deeper issue is not that all big-government gains must be institutionalized. It is that the Left is literally incapable of addressing--or even understanding--actual conservative/libertarian arguments. The have no idea what actual conservative positions are, they only know the derogatory caricature of conservatism that exists in their own minds. It is arrogance mixed with impenetrable ignorance.
Posted by: Dale Franks at May 19, 2015 12:05 PM (R/CAo)
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But your approach is why I support means testing. I think it would weaken public support for social security.
Posted by: SH
My problem with means testing is it's going to mean people like me get screwed once again. So not only do I get to fund Social Security with its poor rate of return, I now get nothing in return. Chris Christie's plan is the ultimate screw job.
As an abstract concept I can understand the appeal as a way to phase it out, but I think the reality would just be another form of welfare that the middle class gets screwed while the Free Shit Army once again gets taken care of.
Posted by: SH
My problem with means testing is it's going to mean people like me get screwed once again. So not only do I get to fund Social Security with its poor rate of return, I now get nothing in return. Chris Christie's plan is the ultimate screw job.
As an abstract concept I can understand the appeal as a way to phase it out, but I think the reality would just be another form of welfare that the middle class gets screwed while the Free Shit Army once again gets taken care of.
Posted by: McAdams at May 19, 2015 12:09 PM (Yl4rU)
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The big problem here is the long distance routes they are money losers but DO run through red states . The Northeast corridor turns a profit but needs federal help on capital improvements the only way thye GOP will offer any support is if we send trains through whyomong
Posted by: righter at May 19, 2015 12:21 PM (cjplq)
Posted by: Sharkman at May 19, 2015 12:27 PM (o17zG)
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"conservatives are rightly convinced there are many costs and unknown dangers to throwing over the traditional meaning of marriage on a whim"
sellout conservatives were into fag marriage and big anus on steroid, so your point is moot. There was never a time when all conservatives were against the redefinition of marriage. Because of Glee and their cocktail parties.
sellout conservatives were into fag marriage and big anus on steroid, so your point is moot. There was never a time when all conservatives were against the redefinition of marriage. Because of Glee and their cocktail parties.
Posted by: fromabroad at May 19, 2015 12:32 PM (rnV3B)
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Pappy O'Daniel, #249:
Cooper "couldn't articulate a conservative perspective if his life depended on it."
Damn right. Jonathan Haidt, call your office.
Cooper "couldn't articulate a conservative perspective if his life depended on it."
Damn right. Jonathan Haidt, call your office.
Posted by: JPS at May 19, 2015 12:34 PM (0k/27)
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Your viral video moment for the morning.
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Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at May 19, 2015 01:07 PM (o+SC1)
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The deeper issue I need to understand is that you need subsidize my trip to Wilmington for the holiday weekend.
The deeper issue I need to understand is that you need subsidize my trip to Wilmington for the holiday weekend.
Posted by: VP Joe at May 19, 2015 01:21 PM (bpemY)
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There is absolutely no way, no way in hell, that Amtrak is a "critical institution" to "millions of Americans" who are not employed by Amtrak. No way in hell. That is some grade-A bullshit right there.
Posted by: Brewdog at May 19, 2015 01:53 PM (ZgUuK)
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"the millions that use Amtrak"
I bet it's more like maybe 100,000 to 200,000 people who use Amtrak in an average year.
It does 24,000,000 passengers trips in a year. That breaks down to maybe 2,000,000 per month. If we assume most trips are round trips, that means there are 1,000,000 riders a month. If we assume the average rider uses Amtrak 12 times a mojth, that means fewer than 100,000 riders per year and let's call them "unique riders".
That is back of the envelope math but it is just like a website that counts "unique visitors".
I wonder if Amtrak would share any info it has on how many "unique riders" rode its trains in the last 12 months. Maybe someone should submit a FOIA request for that info?
I bet it's more like maybe 100,000 to 200,000 people who use Amtrak in an average year.
It does 24,000,000 passengers trips in a year. That breaks down to maybe 2,000,000 per month. If we assume most trips are round trips, that means there are 1,000,000 riders a month. If we assume the average rider uses Amtrak 12 times a mojth, that means fewer than 100,000 riders per year and let's call them "unique riders".
That is back of the envelope math but it is just like a website that counts "unique visitors".
I wonder if Amtrak would share any info it has on how many "unique riders" rode its trains in the last 12 months. Maybe someone should submit a FOIA request for that info?
Posted by: AJ Lynch at May 19, 2015 01:55 PM (ASPsd)
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Amtrak is that thing that those of us in Texas have to pay for, that helps millionaires in Connecticut get cheap rides to NYC.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 19, 2015 02:36 PM (Kpl3J)
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"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected. Even when the revolutionist might himself repent of his revolution, the traditionalist is already defending it as part of his tradition. Thus we have two great types--the advanced person who rushes us into ruin, and the retrospective person who admires the ruins." - G.K. Chesterton (1924)
Amtrak is part of our sacred tradition, and as such, conservatives must defend it. (Just like Obamacare.)
Amtrak is part of our sacred tradition, and as such, conservatives must defend it. (Just like Obamacare.)
Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at May 19, 2015 04:21 PM (Ysmt0)
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