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UVa Dean Accused of Indifference to Rape in Rolling Stone Hoax Now Suing For $7.5 Million
Associate Dean Nicole Eramo, depicted as callous and indifferent to the made-up non-rape of Jackie, had previously written an open letter to Rolling Stone studded with language that legal analysts called "extra spicey," basically laying out a theory of defamation and provisional damages.
Many speculated that this was a prelude to a lawsuit. Those speculations were as accurate as they are delicious. Steven Kruiser there knocks the Washington Post's article reporting the suit for merely saying of the rape hoax that it was "debunked" and had "serious flaws. But in fairness, the author there, T. Rees Shapiro, was the one who did all the reporting to bring this hoax to light. Her complaint is here. Here are a bunch of the words.To personify the University's alleged institutional indifference to rape, Erdely and Rolling Stone cast Dean Eramo, who met with and counseled Jackie, as the chief villain of the story. Erdely and Rolling Stone claimed -both in the article and in a slew of media appearances and interviews designed to increase publicity for the article -that Dean Eramo intentionally tried to coddle Jackie to persuade her not to report her rape; that she was indifferent to Jackie's allegations; that she discouraged Jackie from sharing her story with others; that she abuse[d] Jackie; that she did nothing in response to Jackie's allegations; that she claimed that UV A withholds rape statistics because nobody wants to send their daughter to the rape school ; that she did not report Jackie's alleged assault to the police; that she brushed off' Jackie; and that she actively sought to suppress Jackie's supposed gang rape. 5 These statements, and the portrayal of Dean Eramo, in A Rape on Campus and in Erdely and Rolling Stone's subsequent public statements, are categorically false. Indeed, publicly available information demonstrates that the highly disparaging claims about Dean Eramo are all untrue. In fact, upon being told of Jackie's allegations of sexual assault -which differed materially from the description Erdely and Rolling Stone published -Dean Eramo immediately offered to assist Jackie in holding her attackers accountable -by going to the police, by pursuing misconduct proceedings within the University, or by both. Dean Eramo ultimately persuaded Jackie to speak with the police, and she arranged and attended two different meetings between Jackie and officers from the University Police Department and the Charlottesville Police Department. 6 Dean Eramo's efforts did not result in an official complaint or report to police -not because Dean Eramo tried to suppress Jackie's allegations or persuade her to remain silent -but because Jackie adamantly refused to cooperate with law enforcement or name her alleged attackers. As the Charlottesville Police Department has since confirmed, Jackie insisted both to Dean Eramo and to the police that she did not want her claims investigated, and she refused to provide any specific details that would have allowed them to do so. When police again tried to investigate the supposed sexual assault following the nationwide outcry after the publication of A Rape on Campus, Jackie retained a lawyer and refused to speak with the detectives who were trying to substantiate her claims. As the Washington Postlater noted, contrary to Erdely and Rolling Stone's portrayal of Dean Eramo as incompetent and insensitive, Dean Eramo was actually quite active in seeking an investigation and justice for the allegations Jackie presented.Haven Monahan makes an appearance:
Catfished! cc @AceofSpadesHQ, @JohnEkdahl pic.twitter.com/SMlpShUWx2
— Gabriel Malor (@gabrielmalor) May 12, 2015Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Garrett at May 12, 2015 01:08 PM (Pz0LV)
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at May 12, 2015 01:08 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at May 12, 2015 01:08 PM (nqiq9)
Posted by: Austin in TX at May 12, 2015 01:08 PM (lKVc4)
Posted by: Joe Mama at May 12, 2015 01:09 PM (BXVvA)
Even though I'm sure shes a raging liberal who thinks shes "smarter than everyone else" and who voted for Obama twice.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:09 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2015 01:09 PM (FsuaD)
That's what we sane people call a, "Red Flag".
Posted by: Dang at May 12, 2015 01:10 PM (FRkJH)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 12, 2015 01:10 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at May 12, 2015 01:10 PM (nqiq9)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 12, 2015 01:10 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Lauren at May 12, 2015 01:10 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Nancy Grace (Satan, Beelzebub, & Grace, LLP) at May 12, 2015 01:10 PM (7YlUk)
Posted by: Dang at May 12, 2015 01:11 PM (FRkJH)
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at May 12, 2015 01:11 PM (JOG+K)
Here's hoping that, between Dean Eramo and the Frat, they come away co-owners of Rolling Stone.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 12, 2015 01:11 PM (kff5f)
http://tinyurl.com/kvuk58s
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at May 12, 2015 01:10 PM (nqiq9)
You bastards never learn, do you? *readies emu package*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2015 01:11 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2015 01:12 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: Jackie at May 12, 2015 01:12 PM (FRkJH)
Posted by: Jean at May 12, 2015 01:12 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: The Profit MoMo the Malevolent at May 12, 2015 01:12 PM (hKyl0)
Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at May 12, 2015 01:12 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 12, 2015 01:12 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Kirsten Gillibrand at May 12, 2015 01:12 PM (8W5zZ)
_
or something. My solution is somewhat quicker and better. Suspend Tom Brady another four games.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at May 12, 2015 01:12 PM (0MJOU)
Posted by: Joe Mama at May 12, 2015 01:13 PM (BXVvA)
RS took her word for everything, and printed her view.
They're liable, pure and simple. And so is Jackie.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 12, 2015 01:13 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Harry Reid at May 12, 2015 01:13 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 12, 2015 01:13 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at May 12, 2015 01:13 PM (/4AZU)
I think Rolling Stone would make a nice name for a magazine dedicated to natural milling.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at May 12, 2015 01:13 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Jackie at May 12, 2015 01:12 PM (FRkJH)
That's the truly sick thing, here. Well, one of 2 truly sick things.
She made up the whole thing to get some guy to like her. WTF?
The *other* sick thing is that we're still not using "Jackie's" real name. Anyone know what it is, because we need to stop calling her "Jackie" as though she deserves anonymity, and instead be using her name because she deserves public shame.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 12, 2015 01:14 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Jean at May 12, 2015 01:12 PM (ztOda)
Not anymore.
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at May 12, 2015 01:14 PM (JOG+K)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 12, 2015 01:14 PM (659DL)
uh yeah.
it's jackie.
they weren't too creative with the pseudonyms on that one.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:14 PM (AkOaV)
"Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it. The river was cut by the world's great flood and runs over rocks from the basement of time. On some of the rocks are timeless raindrops. Under the rocks are the words, and some of the words are theirs."
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 12, 2015 01:15 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: The Profit MoMo the Malevolent at May 12, 2015 01:15 PM (hKyl0)
Eramo's lawyers claim that Jackie had informed Rolling Stone prior to
the article's publication that Eramo's quotes were false and that the
student "never told Erdely that Dean Eramo made these statements."
Couldn't a defense lawyer just remind a jury that Jackie is a lying liar who lies?
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 12, 2015 01:15 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: DangerGirl at May 12, 2015 01:15 PM (wHJ0y)
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:14 PM (AkOaV)
Really?
Really?
That's pathetic. Okay- objection withdrawn.
And where was I that I missed that?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 12, 2015 01:15 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Dr. Hook and Medicine Show at May 12, 2015 01:15 PM (659DL)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 12, 2015 01:16 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Haven Monahan at May 12, 2015 01:16 PM (oVJmc)
Threw the bums a dime in your prime, didn't you?
People call say 'beware doll, you're bound to fall'
You thought they were all kidding you
You used to laugh about
Everybody that was hanging out
Now you don't talk so loud
Now you don't seem so proud
About having to be scrounging your next meal
How does it feel, how does it feel?
To be on your own
Like a complete unknown, like a rolling stone
Posted by: Bob Zimmerman at May 12, 2015 01:16 PM (F2IAQ)
I don't know.
I guess its safe to say her whole name -- Jackie Coakley. You can google her.
Not horrific looking, shockingly. But they eyes... the eyes... definitely have "teh crazy" in them.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:16 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 12, 2015 01:17 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at May 12, 2015 01:17 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Bob Zimmerman at May 12, 2015 01:16 PM (F2IAQ)
And for today's trivium, about whom was that song written?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 12, 2015 01:17 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Lauren at May 12, 2015 01:18 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Jackie Coakley at May 12, 2015 01:18 PM (8W5zZ)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at May 12, 2015 01:18 PM (1W6Z5)
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 12, 2015 01:18 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2015 01:11 PM (FsuaD)
Lol
http://tinyurl.com/44skn7o
Posted by: wrg500 at May 12, 2015 01:18 PM (sgrzZ)
nobody wants to send their daughter to the rape school
Call me depraved or Meany McMeanerson but this phrase made me laugh.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 12, 2015 01:18 PM (lpeQC)
Sounds like a grab at the money train.
Stupid bint.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 12, 2015 01:18 PM (HXTHf)
PIV is always Rape!!1!
All men are Rapists!!1!
The fact that we haven't killed #YesAllMen is proof that there is a Rape Culture of pure Rapiness!!1!
*begins frothing at the mouth*
Posted by: Radical Feminists at May 12, 2015 01:18 PM (7YlUk)
Posted by: torquewrench at May 12, 2015 01:19 PM (noWW6)
Silly, it was obviously written about me!
Posted by: Warren Beatty at May 12, 2015 01:19 PM (DLu2s)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 12, 2015 01:19 PM (659DL)
If she is at personal risk you can bet she will make a fast deal with the Dean and testify against RS and Wenner Media. This is going to get very ugly. Jann Wenner better have gold bars buried off shore someplace.
Posted by: MTF at May 12, 2015 01:19 PM (LISuA)
RS won't be held accountable, no matter what kind of a case anyone has against them. They're a leftist/prog voice. They're bullet proof.
Posted by: Soona at May 12, 2015 01:19 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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Richard Nixon?
Joan Baez?
Posted by: Bob Zimmerman at May 12, 2015 01:19 PM (F2IAQ)
Well I wouldn't object to you sending your daughters to the rape school.
How do they feel about cigars, anyways?
Posted by: Bill Clinton at May 12, 2015 01:19 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 12, 2015 01:19 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Dang at May 12, 2015 01:19 PM (FRkJH)
Posted by: wrg500 at May 12, 2015 01:19 PM (sgrzZ)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at May 12, 2015 01:19 PM (Z0Bd1)
Posted by: lowandslow at May 12, 2015 01:19 PM (6f/ka)
Posted by: Washington Post at May 12, 2015 01:19 PM (BrQrN)
Posted by: f2000 at May 12, 2015 01:19 PM (8Y7+f)
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 12, 2015 01:19 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2015 01:19 PM (h4vJk)
oh I'm pretty sure the dean here is a "she" which makes the story a little juicer (for me at least).
Because I believe she was the one who was "quoted" as saying "i would never send my daughters here"
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:20 PM (AkOaV)
It shouldn't matter.
1- RS was publishing the piece based on Jackie telling the truth. You can't say "Well, we believed everything except *that!*"
2- Even if you didn't believe that, ethics would dictate that you follow up on it to confirm or deny.
I don't think Rolling Stone has an out, here. They ran a story that (events have proven) they should have known (and likely already suspected) was completely false in all material particulars, and in so doing defamed a university, a national fraternity, and (in particular here) a dean of that university.
If I were their lawyer (IANAL), I'd be advising they settle quickly.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 12, 2015 01:20 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 01:20 PM (2Ojst)
If a fake story with fakey fakery accused me of being indifferent to rape and trying to cover up a fake story about fake rape, you're damned right I would sue.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 12, 2015 01:20 PM (659DL)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 12, 2015 01:20 PM (F2IAQ)
Stop oppressing people who identify as Brassica napus or other flower-kin!
Posted by: Rape-kin at May 12, 2015 01:20 PM (7YlUk)
no, i think that was the president of the college who started that whole thing.
this woman is the dean of some shit.
maybe the dean of student services? i forget.
im sure someone with a google machine can get the answer in about half a second though
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:20 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: MTF at May 12, 2015 01:20 PM (LISuA)
I'm sure there's some girl somewhere out there who was raped at a frat house.
But not gang raped on a glass coffee table.
Posted by: Lauren at May 12, 2015 01:21 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2015 01:21 PM (2TN4k)
yeah this woman was mentioned by name as basically trying to tell jackie "hey, rapes happen. no biggy. this is the rape school. dont go to the cops."
and made the dean sound like a horrible, unprofessional person who covered up for rapists.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:21 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 12, 2015 01:21 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2015 01:21 PM (1sJza)
Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at May 12, 2015 01:22 PM (3ZtZW)
6 Dean Eramo's efforts did not result in an official complaint or report to police -not because Dean Eramo tried to suppress Jackie's allegations or persuade her to remain silent -but because Jackie adamantly refused to cooperate with law enforcement or name her alleged attackers.
*taps chin*
How much heroin is Rolling Stone's liability carrier injecting into its eye? All of it and then some?
Either I did not recall or I missed that someone did try to make Jackie make a police report and she refused to cooperate even before the story was written.
This is where I discuss how Ryan really needs to start his seminar series in The Crazy: How Not To Stick Your Dick In It.
You know, we joke about Jackie being a bunny boiler but the more that comes out about this, the more it sounds like Ryan really was a few steps away from Tragedy At UVA Campus.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at May 12, 2015 01:22 PM (mf5HN)
Because she was personally named in the piece?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 12, 2015 01:22 PM (kff5f)
They're already irrelevant. Now make them non-existent.
Rolling Stone must pay and pay dearly.
Posted by: Citizen X at May 12, 2015 01:22 PM (7ObY1)
If even one Matt Taibbi desecration of the institution of free press is prevented we have to consider this a victory for humanity.
Posted by: TallDave at May 12, 2015 01:22 PM (74ZYB)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 12, 2015 01:22 PM (F2IAQ)
Cauliflower deserves it.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 12, 2015 01:22 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Jackie Coakley at May 12, 2015 01:23 PM (8W5zZ)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at May 12, 2015 01:17 PM (hLRSq)
How does that work with insurance? If I publish an article or book that I know has no substantial proof, actually has parties involved that have come out and said what we are going to publish is not true, and we do it anyway, does insurance still cover me?
In most walks of life, you have liability insurance that covers errors and omissions. But if you deliberately commit a crime or fraud, you are on your own for the payout.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 12, 2015 01:23 PM (EMXR7)
yeah but those kinds of rapes are "he said she said" stuff, usually involving large amounts of alcohol and "memory loss" experienced by everyone involved.
that wasn't the narrative RS was looking for -- they wanted to show that college as an institution is pro-rape and that there is a "culture" around rape.
Drunk girl has sex under dubious circumstances with frat dog at party while incredibly inebriated doesn't really fulfill that narrative.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:23 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 12, 2015 01:20 PM (F2IAQ)
Judas Priest version was better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLDazyvMMGw
Posted by: Sad Hats of Destiny at May 12, 2015 01:23 PM (7YlUk)
2- Even if you didn't believe that, ethics would dictate that you follow up on it to confirm or deny.
That makes sense.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 12, 2015 01:23 PM (ZKzrr)
Sounds like a grab at the money train.
Stupid bint.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 12, 2015 01:18 PM (HXTHf)
Because she is claiming that they defamed her, that they printed things about her that have damaged her reputation, that those things they printed they said were factual, and she says they were lies.
That's why she is suing.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at May 12, 2015 01:23 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Bill H at May 12, 2015 01:23 PM (XBe5A)
A men's prison story, eh? "Sweetheart of the Cell Block" - I like it! Put it on the cover!
Posted by: Editor guy at May 12, 2015 01:24 PM (FRkJH)
Just because of some variations in how people remember the events, it's no reason to slow the prosecution of sexual criminals who are certainly guilty of some assaults if not these particular ones.
Posted by: jwest at May 12, 2015 01:24 PM (9ZZd+)
http://tinyurl.com/oydkvmv
Posted by: PJ at May 12, 2015 01:24 PM (cHuNI)
Climbed a tree and barked his shin again
Took off several yards of skin again
Poor old Haven Monahan
(begin again)
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 12, 2015 01:24 PM (lHb9q)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 12, 2015 01:25 PM (fWAjv)
The best part of all of his is that it all could have been avoided if RS had just gone with a boring, every day rape story.
Those are racist.
http://is.gd/AjAgvb
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 12, 2015 01:25 PM (ZKzrr)
Ok.
Named how?
Not being a dick but I don't know all of the intricacies of the case.
Why isn't the Frat suing or the alleged rapist?
Posted by: Kreplach at May 12, 2015 01:25 PM (HXTHf)
Posted by: Bill H at May 12, 2015 01:23 PM (XBe5A)
Not reading the articles over at The Federalist?
Posted by: The Federation of Hat at May 12, 2015 01:25 PM (7YlUk)
Posted by: Bill H at May 12, 2015 01:23 PM (XBe5A)
I hear his truck is still pristine.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 01:25 PM (2Ojst)
Edie Sedgwick.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
*?*
She was an heiress, a fashion model, an Andy Warhol Factory girl and a sixties scene fixture.
Worth a google. There was a sad movie about her sad life five or ten years ago. ODed.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 12, 2015 01:25 PM (JtwS4)
Cauliflower deserves it.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 12, 2015 01:22 PM
Down with white brassica privilege!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2015 01:25 PM (h4vJk)
I'M 100% FOR FREE SPEECH but .....
Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at May 12, 2015 01:25 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Furious George at May 12, 2015 01:25 PM (UlJ3l)
like i said a few weeks/months ago (its all a blur), ryan comes out of this looking like a fucking genius.
he knew she was teh crazy. thats the only explanation.
this halfway decent looking chick is throwing herself at him and he says NO... that doesnt sound like any single 18 year old straight guy I know.
He must have sensed how nuts this chick was. I'm sure his friends and parents are patting him on the back big time here.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:25 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: lowandslow at May 12, 2015 01:19 PM (6f/ka)
I don't recall her defaming anyone. She, along with the fraternity, was defamed.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at May 12, 2015 01:25 PM (hLRSq)
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Links please. I mean, if it is a "crisis", then there must be many examples.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 12, 2015 01:26 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Jan Wenner at May 12, 2015 01:26 PM (Pz0LV)
Posted by: Kreplach at May 12, 2015 01:25 PM (HXTHf)
Volokh had a good article on it over at wapo.
long story short, not sure if the frat has grounds to sue based on the article as written.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:27 PM (AkOaV)
I hope that was sarcasm. Otherwise...good Lord.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 01:27 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: f2000 at May 12, 2015 01:19 PM (8Y7+f)
Are you confusing the university President with this associate dean? The University President is the one who went after all of the fraternities and sororities when the Rolling Stone story came out?
Or am I misremembering something?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at May 12, 2015 01:27 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: MTF at May 12, 2015 01:27 PM (LISuA)
Shit, the frat and almost any guy who felt yucky on campus could file the thing.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at May 12, 2015 01:27 PM (ZtH3P)
Posted by: NCKate at May 12, 2015 01:27 PM (i1fxY)
Posted by: Furious
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I wish he could hear the things said about him at Chez Hammer.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 12, 2015 01:28 PM (F2IAQ)
If she is at personal risk you can bet she will make a fast deal
with the Dean and testify against RS and Wenner Media.
Posted by: MTF at May 12, 2015 01:19 PM
Don't know how the Really Hip Big Time Publications do things, but magazines I have worked for did contracts with freelance writers that bound the author to hold the publisher harmless in any instances involving legal issues (defamation, slander, etc.). If RS did that -- and I think it likely -- they can say "yer on yer own, sucka" to Erdely and move on to pastures new.
In other words, Hotshot Writer gets to carry the can on this. Hope she has a Sugar Daddy....
Posted by: MrScribbler at May 12, 2015 01:28 PM (P8YHq)
Actually, we're all wearing colorful banana hammocks.
Posted by: Editor guy at May 12, 2015 01:28 PM (FRkJH)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at May 12, 2015 01:28 PM (ZtH3P)
Why isn't the Frat suing or the alleged rapist?
Posted by: Kreplach at May 12, 2015 01:25 PM (HXTHf)
I think she was actively named. At the very least, she was identified in enough detail that there's not even a plausible "Well we tried to keep her identity secret!"
I think the Frat *is* suing RS. At least they were making noises about it.
As for the accused rapist... he can't because he doesn't exist. The guy people thought (for about 10 minutes) might be the guy... isn't the guy (and enough is different about him and Jackie's description that RS has cover there).
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 12, 2015 01:28 PM (kff5f)
Of course, if a horny 18 year old freshman can spot Teh Crazy, it's even harder to believe that RS missed it.
Posted by: Lauren at May 12, 2015 01:28 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Citizen X at May 12, 2015 01:22 PM (7ObY1)
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She (corrected) will make a sweet sweet deal with UVA. She's set for life. She might even become university president in the near future.
Posted by: Soona at May 12, 2015 01:28 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: The Federation of Hat at May 12, 2015 01:25 PM (7YlUk)
Not on a regular basis. I already have too many bookmarks. I need to clear out the deadwood and replace with The Federalist and Yid With Lid.
Posted by: Bill H at May 12, 2015 01:29 PM (XBe5A)
There's a fine line between "genius" and "pervert" I'd say.
But if you want a legal way to see naked 18 year old girls...
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:29 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 12, 2015 01:29 PM (659DL)
Facts weren't that important.
They had a narrative and were in search for a story. That's really all there is to it.
Just needed something to fill in the blanks with, ad-lib style.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:30 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Nutsy the Buzzard at May 12, 2015 01:30 PM (pS7Ne)
Posted by: Jackie Coakley at May 12, 2015 01:30 PM (8W5zZ)
Posted by: Penfold at May 12, 2015 01:30 PM (Fbt5B)
Posted by: Jackie at May 12, 2015 01:30 PM (2cS/G)
Yep. Haven Monahan, shockingly, did not exist.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:30 PM (AkOaV)
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RS and Wenner desperately need her for their defense, so I'd bet they're negotiating some sort of deal with her right now. Her husband is a lawyer in Philly, if I recall correctly, so he must be shitting bricks too. Marital property and all that.
Posted by: MTF at May 12, 2015 01:31 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at May 12, 2015 01:25 PM (hLRSq)
UVa administration shut down the frat based off of this story and the allegations. Not sure they can be held liable for doing what Rolling Stone defamed them by saying they didn't do.
They had no choice but to act immediately upon the allegations. Which is why RS should be sued into oblivion by everyone.
I believe the frat is pursuing a lawsuit. Not sure about the accused.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 12, 2015 01:31 PM (EMXR7)
Posted by: Shit, now what? at May 12, 2015 01:31 PM (V7M2Q)
UVA Associate Dean of Students Nicole Eramo is suing.
UVA President Teresa Sullivan is not (and is the one who took RS's side and shat upon UVA Greek life).
Posted by: Country Singer at May 12, 2015 01:31 PM (8hctH)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 12, 2015 01:31 PM (oDCMR)
I did image search Jackie Coakley and no, I would not have had the sense to steer clear of that at 18.
I'd have had my bunny boiled.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 12, 2015 01:32 PM (JtwS4)
Yeah the story had been written. They just needed to hunt out a case to match the already written story.
Sort of like climate scientists.
Posted by: Lauren at May 12, 2015 01:32 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 12, 2015 01:32 PM (lHb9q)
Posted by: Haven Monahan at May 12, 2015 01:33 PM (FRkJH)
no, thats how I remember it as well.
The op ed from this dean is all we've heard from her as far as I know. I think she probably laid low after she was accused of being a central figure in the rape culture wherein young women are routinely raped as part of the rushing process at fraternities.
"hey brah? wanna join our house? we have rape parties!!!"
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:33 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 01:33 PM (2Ojst)
the article's publication that Eramo's quotes were false and that the
student "never told Erdely that Dean Eramo made these statements."
Well, if that's true it shows even more how very at fault RS is.
Jackie is an idiot and a liar, but at least she balked at falsely accusing actual people to the police. That is probably what will save her. RS, otoh, is fcuk'd.
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 01:33 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Sasquatch at May 12, 2015 01:33 PM (sgrzZ)
Posted by: Rape Culture Club at May 12, 2015 01:33 PM (Pz0LV)
Yeah.
But trust them, journalists are impartial. They just follow the facts wherever they lead.
just the "who what where why when". And if the media seems to have a liberal bias, its because reality has a liberal bias. Wingnut.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:34 PM (AkOaV)
"hey brah? wanna join our house? we have rape parties!!!"
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:33 PM (AkOaV)
The Rho Alpha Pi house, Epsilon chapter.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 01:34 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Prisoner Randy "Sasquatch" Johnson at May 12, 2015 01:34 PM (FRkJH)
Posted by: Darth Sidious at May 12, 2015 01:35 PM (ZKzrr)
The guy who everyone knows was the "rapist" because he wasn't explicitly named gets his suit tossed or loses and this scrunt (who in my estimation is part of the "College Rape Rampant" crowd as this reaffirms her job and salary) who's position and name was named or more widely known wins.
TANJ anymore in the US
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 12, 2015 01:35 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:35 PM (AkOaV)
They are on the edge now, and a couple of $10 mill awards will kill them.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 12, 2015 01:36 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at May 12, 2015 01:36 PM (JOG+K)
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:36 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: MTF at May 12, 2015 01:36 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2015 01:36 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: Martha Coakley at May 12, 2015 01:36 PM (8W5zZ)
Posted by: Shit, now what? at May 12, 2015 01:31 PM (V7M2Q)
That's The Man, baby!
Posted by: Austin P. at May 12, 2015 01:37 PM (XBe5A)
I was confusing Teresa Sullivan with this woman.
Posted by: lowandslow at May 12, 2015 01:37 PM (6f/ka)
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:33 PM (AkOaV)
I plead the 5th...
Posted by: Louis Skolnick at May 12, 2015 01:37 PM (7YlUk)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 12, 2015 01:38 PM (oDCMR)
Granted, some shit will splash on RS -- deservedly -- and to my knowledge, no court has ever ruled on the contract provision I mentioned above, but it is sufficient to keep most "traditional" writers (those who didn't grow up worshiping Woodward and Bernstein) on the straight an narrow.
Was I the hubby, I would already have served divorce papers on Jackie's ass. He'd better get on it speedy-speedy to protect himself.
Posted by: MrScribbler at May 12, 2015 01:38 PM (P8YHq)
Posted by: Rape Culture Club
Jackie Jackie Jackie Jackie, Jackie I feel-y ya
You come and go, you come and go
Raping would be easy if my frat house were like your dream
That table scene, that table sce-ee-een.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 12, 2015 01:39 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 12, 2015 01:38 PM (oDCMR)
Between the two, I'd prefer boning the couch.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 01:39 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Garrett at May 12, 2015 01:39 PM (Pz0LV)
Huh?
Jackies married?
You sure about that?
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:39 PM (AkOaV)
She has shown she's no longer entitled to such protection and it would go a long way to evening the score.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 12, 2015 01:39 PM (zRby/)
-Wait. Was that wrong? Have you people never seen I Love Lucy?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 12, 2015 01:40 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Couchfucker at May 12, 2015 01:40 PM (87y4e)
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 01:33 PM (2Ojst)
More like a Harlequin Romance bodice-ripper name. You know, the type you see in the finer drug stores.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at May 12, 2015 01:40 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Lieawatha Warren at May 12, 2015 01:40 PM (8W5zZ)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 12, 2015 01:40 PM (md44W)
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:40 PM (AkOaV)
If she is at personal risk you can bet she will make a fast deal
with the Dean and testify against RS and Wenner Media.
Posted by: MTF at May 12, 2015 01:19 PM
Don't know how the Really Hip Big Time Publications do things, but magazines I have worked for did contracts with freelance writers that bound the author to hold the publisher harmless in any instances involving legal issues (defamation, slander, etc.). If RS did that -- and I think it likely -- they can say "yer on yer own, sucka" to Erdely and move on to pastures new.
In other words, Hotshot Writer gets to carry the can on this. Hope she has a Sugar Daddy....
Posted by: MrScribbler at May 12, 2015 01:28 PM (P8YHq)"Such a contract wouldonly indemnify the magazine. It doesn't really tranfer the liability. You'd still sue RS, but the writer would have to reimburse RS for the costs. Of course, should the writer declare bankruptcy, RS would still be left holding the bag for the libel with a claim on the assets of the writer.
Posted by: Meric1837 at May 12, 2015 01:40 PM (yrsus)
Posted by: irright at May 12, 2015 01:41 PM (pMGkg)
yeah.
and she also did another "rape culture" article about rapes in the military.
and her version of events are, shall we say, highly disputed in that story too.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:41 PM (AkOaV)
A. Seems the author is the crazy, so maybe she sensed a kindred spirit? Seems like it would be common amongst rape activists (just the non-victim SJW types).
B. The story was Just So PERFECT.....
Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2015 01:41 PM (2TN4k)
Posted by: wrg500 at May 12, 2015 01:41 PM (sgrzZ)
Posted by: Jackie at May 12, 2015 01:41 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 12, 2015 01:42 PM (TV9BR)
the problem is, as I understand it, that the guy she "named" was CLEARLY fictional, and no one would reasonably assume it referred to an identifiable person on campus.
Institutions (like the frat) suing for defamation have an uphill battle. For reasons that make a lot of sense in many cases. Eugene Volokh had a great article on it over at wapo (i think)
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:42 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Furious
Imagine his relief when he finds out the reference is to the Persian Gulf.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2015 01:42 PM (oKE6c)
When Jackie created the persona of "Haven Monaghan," she did two things:
1. Get a fake cell-phone number from a hacker-site which she could use to pose as Haven and send texts to her friends as him, praising herself;
2. Find a picture of the handsomest guy in her high school graduating class -- a random guy she didn't even know -- and show that picture to her friends, claiming it was Haven.
So my question is:
Has anyone ever tracked down a photo of the actual real high school non-friend? He must be a major hottie stud for Jackie to choose him to be the face of the dreamy Haven.
Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2015 01:43 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 12, 2015 01:38 PM (oDCMR)
Between the two, I'd prefer boning the couch.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 01:39 PM (2Ojst)
Well, the couch was asking for it, the little slut...
Posted by: Florida Man at May 12, 2015 01:43 PM (7YlUk)
Posted by: Jackie Coakley at May 12, 2015 01:43 PM (8W5zZ)
He is alive, well, and publishing when inclined at tepid and elsewhere...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at May 12, 2015 01:43 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at May 12, 2015 01:40 PM (hLRSq)
The ones with throbbing soldiers of love and pink flowers moistened with warm dew?
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 01:43 PM (2Ojst)
"The Face of Haven Monaghan: How I became a key player in the Hoax of the Century."
Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2015 01:43 PM (jBuUi)
Damn..
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 12, 2015 01:44 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 12, 2015 01:44 PM (lHWU9)
Actually the dean here might have a pretty good case.
Not sure of The Rolling Stones financials kind of wish she was asking for more in damages- an amount they couldn't absorb.
Posted by: River Guide at May 12, 2015 01:44 PM (RJMhd)
Drew uses Stats to prove being in the Military is less dangerous than being a lawyer
Pictures at 10 PM
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2015 01:45 PM (rDqRv)
yeah.
if you do a reverse image search, it pops up as a facebook picture for some kid she went to school with.
a real kid who went to school far away from UVa and barely knew jackie and had a great alibi (thankfully for him)
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:45 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Jacky Coakley, Bodice Ripped at May 12, 2015 01:45 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Zombie Tom Carvel at May 12, 2015 01:45 PM (YEelc)
=======================
I'd expect that provision is just there to make sure she participates in their defense, unless she has some serious personal dough at risk.
The money to pay any settlement is going to come from: (a) whatever insurance cover RS has, (2) the liquidation value of RS and Wenner Media and (3) the personal assets, including marital assets, of Erdely (presuming you are right in thinking she wasn't working through an LLC).
I'm no libel expert, but if RS/Wenner were warned in writing and in advance, as the suit says, that they were going to publish falsehoods then I bet that rises some advanced level of recklessness liability.
This will be fun.
Posted by: MTF at May 12, 2015 01:46 PM (LISuA)
Rape without pinball is like baseball without steroids -- just no fun.
Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2015 01:46 PM (jBuUi)
Actually the dean here might have a pretty good case.
Not sure of The Rolling Stones financials kind of wish she was asking for more in damages- an amount they couldn't absorb.
Posted by: River Guide at May 12, 2015 01:44 PM (RJMhd)
Oh don't get me wrong, I hope she does and I hope she breaks Rolling Stone. I just meant I was depressed at how American Society , liberal American Society, is turning out
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 12, 2015 01:46 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2015 01:46 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 01:43 PM (2Ojst)
You seem to have gone between the covers on that one.
So to speak.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at May 12, 2015 01:46 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Taggart at May 12, 2015 01:47 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2015 01:47 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Fudgie the Whale at May 12, 2015 01:47 PM (Pz0LV)
"As Lady Ashley Vandivier-Kent gazed upon the dashing, handsome rogue Haven Monahan as he rose shirtlesslyfrom the deep blue water of the jungle lagoon, she felt her face flush with unbidden heat as her body--seeemingly against her will--responded to the sight ofhis strong, sinewy arms andbroad roofbeam-like shouldersand deep, heavingmasculine chest. His thighs, she thought. So strong, so thick, so like those of ayoung stallion..."
And so on.
That Haven Monahan, he's such a dreamboat.
Posted by: troyriser at May 12, 2015 01:47 PM (XHR9b)
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:39 PM
MTF seems to think so in comment #139, to which I was replying.
I don't know if she's married, single, or cohabiting with a grebil, and just for the record don't give a crap.
Posted by: MrScribbler at May 12, 2015 01:48 PM (P8YHq)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2015 01:48 PM (1sJza)
Posted by: Jay Guevara
_____________
Relief or maybe bewilderment as to what the heck the Persian Gulf is.
Posted by: Furious George at May 12, 2015 01:48 PM (UlJ3l)
What guys accused of rape?
She made up the whole thing- including the attackers. The guy she says set her up doesn't exist- and can't even be tied to any real person. A complete figment of her imagination.
This isn't like Mattress Girl who is accusing a real person of a fake rape. She made *everything* up out of whole-cloth. The date of the party, the attendees, the attackers: none of them existed.
And, again, I think the Frat is pursuing its options, I'm just not sure how many options it has.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 12, 2015 01:48 PM (kff5f)
The guys didn't actually exist? At least no specific names were given I believe. So that's kind of hard.
I think the frat is considering suing but it may or may not work. I don't know. I bet they will get a settlement.
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 01:48 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 12, 2015 01:48 PM (lHWU9)
Posted by: Harley Quinn at May 12, 2015 01:48 PM (i6T24)
no no, he's referencing the author of the article, sabrina elderly (or whatever), not jackie coakley (the uh... "victim")
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:49 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Penfold at May 12, 2015 01:49 PM (Fbt5B)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2015 01:49 PM (oKE6c)
Seems the source of the fraud should be held to account.
Posted by: Iblis at May 12, 2015 01:49 PM (9221z)
Those are racist.
***
Yeah. Rolling Stone didn't want to write the actual story, which involved an older black serial (probably) murderer and rapist. More fun to make one up. I hope they pay.
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 01:50 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: maddogg at May 12, 2015 01:50 PM (xWW96)
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Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at May 12, 2015 01:50 PM (Sd++4)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at May 12, 2015 01:50 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 12, 2015 01:50 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2015 01:50 PM (jBuUi)
well, she did claim to ryan (the guy she was catfishing) that she was raped (well, forced to give BJs) on the night in question.
she just never mentioned a frat, was nowhere near any fraternity house, and used it as an excuse to ask him to stay with her all night because she was so distraught.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:51 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Jackie at May 12, 2015 01:51 PM (0cMkb)
Seems the source of the fraud should be held to account.
Meh. Her income as a fake rape counselor at UVa probably won't be enough to cover a judgment even if it was paid in installments.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 12, 2015 01:51 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 12, 2015 01:50 PM (oVJmc)
cough Juanita Broaddrick cough
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:51 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Have Monahan, Private Eye at May 12, 2015 01:52 PM (8W5zZ)
Posted by: maddogg at May 12, 2015 01:52 PM (xWW96)
I have been told a million times that women don't lie about rape.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel
__________
Women are incapable of lying about sexual harassment too.
Posted by: Carol Moseley Braun at May 12, 2015 01:52 PM (UlJ3l)
Yes. And that was 100% made up, too.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 12, 2015 01:52 PM (kff5f)
Rape without pinball is like baseball without steroids -- just no fun.
Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2015 01:46 PM (jBuUi)
Well, the story does feature a coffee table, which is kinda like a billiard table ...
No word yet on whether Glass Coffee Table Manufacturers' Association is suing.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2015 01:52 PM (oKE6c)
shes still a student. If shes paid for the counseling job, its probably like $8.00 an hour.
she has no assets.
not worth suing. Plus, again, she never named a real person. And its uncertain if the fraternity as an organization would win a lawsuit.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:52 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Anita Hill at May 12, 2015 01:53 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:49 PM
So was I. Don't know why I typed "Jackie" in my reply to his reply.
They all look alike, y'know....
Posted by: MrScribbler at May 12, 2015 01:53 PM (P8YHq)
Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2015 01:50 PM (jBuUi)
I say again: nothing says "I'm sorry" quite like seppuku.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2015 01:54 PM (oKE6c)
Yeah.
The entire thing was made up. Every detail. Which is amazing to me.
Also leads me to believe that EVERYONE knew she was lying. From her "friends" to the dean, to the "rape counselors" etc.
Because her story was SO easily disprovable.
Usually stories like this have SOME element of truth.
Not this one.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:54 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 12, 2015 01:54 PM (0x/TW)
Jackies married?
You sure about that?
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:39 PM (AkOaV)
=========================
Sabrina Rubin Erdely is married. She's the one being sued.
Posted by: MTF at May 12, 2015 01:54 PM (LISuA)
WaPo doxed a "journalist[sic]"?
Face I am making right now. http://www.quickmeme.com/Bemused-Lynx
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 12, 2015 01:54 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 12, 2015 01:54 PM (nCKKS)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 12, 2015 01:54 PM (sxddc)
Posted by: AP at May 12, 2015 01:54 PM (TV9BR)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2015 01:54 PM (oKE6c)
I say we get together a collection and buy them butter knives.
Posted by: maddogg at May 12, 2015 01:55 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: NYC Parent adding lead shielding to his bunker at May 12, 2015 01:55 PM (HEo6y)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at May 12, 2015 01:50 PM (Sd++4)
Pfft. California has long had expensive tax-supported programs to help the gay polar bears stop smoking.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2015 01:55 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:55 PM (AkOaV)
You seem to have gone between the covers on that one.
So to speak.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at May 12, 2015 01:46 PM (hLRSq)
The Bad Sex Awards for novelists. Hilarious stuff.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 01:55 PM (2Ojst)
'So will the rape hoaxer finally be exposed for public ridicule?"
No. I'm untouchable you racist.
Posted by: The Rev. Al Sharpton at May 12, 2015 01:55 PM (OD2ni)
Those are racist.
***
Yeah. Rolling Stone didn't want to write the actual story, which involved an older black serial (probably) murderer and rapist. More fun to make one up. I hope they pay.
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 01:50 PM (lIU4e)
The thing about that story? Is it actually involves the probability that at least one college covered up what the guy did.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at May 12, 2015 01:55 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Soona at May 12, 2015 01:56 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: irright at May 12, 2015 01:56 PM (pMGkg)
Posted by: maddogg at May 12, 2015 01:55 PM (xWW96)
I was thinking "chain saws," but butter knives would be good too.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2015 01:56 PM (oKE6c)
Which Carvel Cake do you get for a Rape Party?
Posted by: Garrett at May 12, 2015 01:39 PM (Pz0LV)
The penis one, idiot.
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 12, 2015 01:56 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2015 01:56 PM (oKE6c)
Spoons.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 12, 2015 01:56 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: maddogg at May 12, 2015 01:52 PM (xWW96)
They are of their father, the Devil; a liar and the father of lies.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 01:57 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: wrg500 at May 12, 2015 01:57 PM (sgrzZ)
Posted by: Jay Guevara ****(Steals theblade and dulls it. Then returns.)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 12, 2015 01:57 PM (0x/TW)
Her lips full surprise
Her hands are quite, quite cold
She's got bunny Burner eyes
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 12, 2015 01:57 PM (XUKZU)
Which doesn't make them different from some men in that respect, just that men don't lie about being raped, although they sometimesy lie about their sexual conquests.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2015 01:58 PM (1sJza)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 12, 2015 01:56 PM (kff5f
sporks
Posted by: wrg500 at May 12, 2015 01:57 PM (sgrzZ)
SPOOOOOON!!!!!!
Posted by: The Tick at May 12, 2015 01:58 PM (2Ojst)
Filleted, or the whole fish? I prefer the whole fish, as I can get the nice crispy tail. Gotta be careful about the bones, though.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 12, 2015 01:58 PM (PtTYB)
Never filed a police report. Never named a real (or even semi real) person. Refused to give a statement to the cops when they approached her. And the only things that were said that are even semi actionable were even possibly attributed to jackie were said by a known fabulist faux journalist. And Jackie could (credibly) say "hey that bitch just made all that shit up" and no one could prove otherwise.
So not only is Jackie teh crazy, shes kind of smart when you think about it.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:58 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: ISIS at May 12, 2015 01:58 PM (ecDRv)
Well-loved family science camp in Silicon Valley attended by a majority of local public schoolchildren found to have employed a gay child pornographer and likely serial molester for three years; school district falsely claimed his job did not involve contact with children, when in fact he had constant unrestricted and unchaperoned contact with kids the entire time, and now has been charged with one count of child-rape; more to follow:
http://tinyurl.com/mou2knl
I predict this will turn into an major case of mass molestation that will ruin the school district financially.
Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2015 01:58 PM (jBuUi)
Oh gotta on that.
Carp you want something to worry about that Persian Gulf walk out- unfortunately that confirms the fears some people had in a certain sector of what Obama would do or more correctly- not do.
Posted by: River Guide at May 12, 2015 01:59 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: maddogg at May 12, 2015 01:52 PM (xWW96)
Just cut to the chase. Women are evil.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 12, 2015 01:59 PM (sgrzZ)
Posted by: The Political Hat (@ThePoliticalHat) at May 12, 2015 01:59 PM (7YlUk)
Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 12, 2015 01:58 PM (PtTYB)
Filleted. Easier to deal with the bones.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 01:59 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2015 01:58 PM (1sJza)
Heh, that's an understatement.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:59 PM (AkOaV)
No. I'm untouchable you racist.
Posted by: The Rev. Al Sharpton
You have to have a conscience before shame works.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 12, 2015 01:59 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2015 01:58 PM (1sJza)
Boys lie about sexual conquest, men lie about fish.
Posted by: maddogg at May 12, 2015 01:59 PM (xWW96)
maybe about different things, but... women do not have a monopoly on lying. At all.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:59 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Nip Sip at May 12, 2015 01:56 PM
It's made in the same mold as the tie cake. And the whale cake...
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2015 01:59 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: Larry Reid, Ready to Party at May 12, 2015 01:59 PM (UlJ3l)
Give it as rest, please. Not all women are your ex-wife.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2015 02:00 PM (1sJza)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 12, 2015 02:00 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:00 PM (AkOaV)
They usually do a couple of hours after the flames go out.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 12, 2015 02:00 PM (659DL)
to do to minimize HER legal liability. Since I don't really see how she
gets in any legal trouble for any of this.
Never filed a police report. Never named a real (or even semi real)
person. Refused to give a statement to the cops when they approached
her. And the only things that were said that are even semi actionable
were even possibly attributed to jackie were said by a known fabulist
faux journalist. And Jackie could (credibly) say "hey that bitch just
made all that shit up" and no one could prove otherwise.
Gotcha, Rolling Stone! The joke's on you!
Posted by: Jackie Coakley at May 12, 2015 02:00 PM (oKE6c)
Those are racist.
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Yeah. Rolling Stone didn't want to write the actual story, which involved an older black serial (probably) murderer and rapist. More fun to make one up. I hope they pay.
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 01:50 PM (lIU4e)
The thing about that story? Is it actually involves the probability that at least one college covered up what the guy did.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at May 12, 2015 01:55 PM (mf5HN)
It's actually a hell of a story that a real journalist might want to get into. But it might give the impression that women should fear the 'wrong' sort of people and they can't have that.
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 02:01 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: dartist at May 12, 2015 02:01 PM (ahBY0)
A trillion dollars in government anti-poverty spending = failure
A trillion dollars in government anti-poverty spending + a really clever hashtag = SUCCESS
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 12, 2015 02:01 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2015 01:58 PM
Most likely, but since it doesn't advance The Agenda, you're rolling stoned if you think we're reporting on this.
Posted by: Your Friends in the MFM at May 12, 2015 02:02 PM (h4vJk)
At a pre-camp meeting, parents were told that if students got homesick or had a problem with their cabin leader, they could go talk to Papa Bear at night.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:02 PM (AkOaV)
What kind of party gets a whale cake?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Meghan McCain, Tomorrow's Republican Today at May 12, 2015 02:03 PM (8ZskC)
O cmon I lie on the couch not amidst fish
Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at May 12, 2015 02:03 PM (3ZtZW)
>>Which doesn't make them different from some men
People are people. Some of them are liars. Not all of them. Of either sex.
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 02:03 PM (lIU4e)
Spending on White House dinners soars under Obama
http://is.gd/1ebOVM
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 12, 2015 02:03 PM (ZKzrr)
OT, radio reporting helicopter with 8 people/ 6 Marines missing in Nepal.
Posted by: dartist at May 12, 2015 02:01 PM (ahBY0)
Members of my son's old unit are over there. I texted him. He doesn't know if any of his friends were on board. Prayers.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 12, 2015 02:04 PM (FsuaD)
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Meghan McCain, Tomorrow's Republican Today at May 12, 2015 02:03 PM
Any kind you want...
Posted by: Vietnamese Ho Now Working at Carvel at May 12, 2015 02:04 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: Tawana Brawley's Moustache Wax at May 12, 2015 02:05 PM (8W5zZ)
>>Which doesn't make them different from some men
People are people. Some of them are liars. Not all of them. Of either sex.
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 02:03 PM (lIU4e)
Yes...but only one of these genders gets systemic support from schools, courts, politicians, therapists and social workers for the most malicious of lies.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 02:05 PM (2Ojst)
fkn hell I hate people
Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at May 12, 2015 02:05 PM (3ZtZW)
I predict this will turn into an major case of mass molestation that will ruin the school district financially.
Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2015 01:58 PM (jBuUi)
Oopsie. When good Democrats go bad.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2015 02:05 PM (oKE6c)
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Minus the head, guts, fins, but, yes, the whole fish for me also.
Posted by: Soona at May 12, 2015 02:05 PM (/HX7u)
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Well, I guess they know how to create it.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 12, 2015 02:06 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 12, 2015 02:06 PM (ZKzrr)
Yeah, didn't he get kicked out of Lynchburg (or was it Liberty?) for "sexual misconduct" which was basically "raping a drunk girl" ?
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:06 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: DJ Jazzy Jeff and Will Smith at May 12, 2015 02:06 PM (Pz0LV)
At a pre-camp meeting, parents were told that if students got homesick or had a problem with their cabin leader, they could go talk to Papa Bear at night.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:02 PM (AkOaV)
Yeah. He was the night monitor. See ya in court!
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2015 02:07 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2015 02:07 PM (1sJza)
students got homesick or had a problem with their cabin leader, they
could go talk to Papa Bear at night
fkn hell I hate people
Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at May 12, 2015 02:05 PM (3ZtZW)
I am suing for trademark infringement!
Posted by: PedoBear at May 12, 2015 02:07 PM (ecDRv)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 12, 2015 01:50 PM (oVJmc)
cough Juanita Broaddrick cough
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 01:51 PM (AkOaV)
cough Bill Cosby victims 1-31 cough
Want to read some vicious remarks go read the comments regarding women who come forward about him.
Rape happens, false rape accusations happen, and discerning which is which is often impossible. I am adamantly opposed to the new feminist meme that says rape on campus is as common as chewing gum, but, on the other hand, I came very close to being date raped in college, so I know how terrifying an assault is.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at May 12, 2015 02:07 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2015 02:00 PM (1sJza)
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Which reminds me.....
A poll in Arkansas asked women if they would ever consider sleeping with Bill Clinton.
77% of the responders answered "never again".
Posted by: fixerupper at May 12, 2015 02:07 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 02:05 PM (2Ojst)
And for the most malicious of lies as in this case men are guilty till proven innocent.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 12, 2015 02:07 PM (sgrzZ)
Jane, prayers for your sons friends.
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 02:08 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Haven Monahan at May 12, 2015 02:08 PM (LISuA)
Was the girl he allegedly raped a Liberty student?
Because I remember a story going around around that time about a Sweet Briar student who woke up in her dorm room after getting black out drunk on her (all girls) campus with a note that said "you should go get the morning after pill" and I remember it was a whole thing with DNA testing and rape kids and it turned out to be a liberty student who was never charged with rape.
Kind of a thing back then.
Probably unrelated.
Never know though.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:08 PM (AkOaV)
I predict this will turn into an major case of mass molestation that will ruin the school district financially.
Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2015 01:58 PM (jBuUi)
But wait, there must be some mistake. We've all been reliably informed that male homosexuals do not molest boys. Never happens.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2015 02:09 PM (oKE6c)
From Mark Knoller:
Last week, the president addressed the threat of online hacking, going to Stanford University for a White House Summit on Cybersecurity and Consumer Protection.
A month into his presidency, Mr. Obama held a summit on fiscal responsibility, at which he made the case for his economic agenda.
Other domestic policy summits convened by the president over the years have included:
-the Presidential Summit on Entrepreneurship;
-the White House Summit on Community Colleges;
-the White House Youth Summit;
-the White House Healthy Kids and Safe Sports Concussion Summit;
-the Early Education Summit;
- the College Opportunity Summit;
-the ConnectED Superintendents Summit;
-the White House Summit on Working Families, 2014
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 12, 2015 02:09 PM (659DL)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 12, 2015 02:06 PM (ZKzrr)
Oh, get bent. Do you have anything substantive to say on the subject, or are you just going to try to be nasty and demeaning? Are you denying the existence of a victim industry centered around women? VAWA? Primary aggressor laws? DV orders given without evidence? Therapy professionals trained to believe and propogate the idea that if you "believe" you were raped, you were raped, regardless of evidence? Oppressive Title IX kangaroo courts that hose men on the mere word of a coed?
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 02:10 PM (2Ojst)
That's because it wasn't a rape story, it was a Rape Culture story.
By current definition this requires it to be on a college campus perpetrated by white dudes, preferably fraternity members. And Rape Culture includes a lot more than actual rape - anything from unwanted kisses to actual rape. Think Erdley liked the whole "the UVA admin didn't support me" angle, too, so that she could ding two institutions (frats, UVA admin) - Erdley is all into institutions foster rape culture narratives.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2015 02:11 PM (2TN4k)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 12, 2015 02:11 PM (XUKZU)
Er, one has nothing to do with the other, and I'm not taking anything out on anybody. These are facts.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 02:11 PM (2Ojst)
not only that, apparently (according to someone in the comments, so... eh) he was the ONLY adult "on duty" over night.
All other adults were sleeping in their own cabins and/or at home.
He also had a few "high school volunteers"
Let me just say this -- it should never be best practices to allow a single adult (especially one called "big papa") to be around a single child. Especially at night.
There should be others there... if only to act as witnesses to say "hey, this kid is full of shit. nothing happened" to deflect lawsuits.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:11 PM (AkOaV)
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Its like violent Muslims.
When they're violent, they are not really Muslim.
Same Same....
Posted by: fixerupper at May 12, 2015 02:12 PM (8XRCm)
Clinic were so proud of Micheal Obama's speech to all graduates of color and how hard life is for them since Bush lied about these people. Bush should be punished for this lying and apologize to all persons of color in this country as well.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at May 12, 2015 02:12 PM (Sd++4)
I get concerns by the men who are being railroaded. That should stop. That is why we have a justice system and we look for evidence before convicting.
But rape, particularly something like date rape, is actually hard to prove sometimes so I find this idea that 'unable to prove' = lies as disturbing as I do the automatic presumption of guilt at an accusation. We should realize that the law is imperfect and sometimes bad people are going to get away with things. Sometimes innocents get railroaded and sometimes the guilty go free. And it sucks.
Not that this has anything to do with Jackie because she was both clearly lying and just as clearly not trying to hurt any specific person with her accusations, which is why she made people up whole cloth and wouldn't go to the police. I fault her for talking to rolling stone, of course.
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 02:12 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: wrg500 at May 12, 2015 02:07 PM (sgrzZ)
Not always true. BJ Clinton ruined several women's lives with his sexual predation--using money, influence, state troopers, and finally Carville, etc to facilitate his actions. His victims had to prove their innocence first before being allowed to mention his guilt. It was like watching sharia law in action, even the death part, because a couple of those women wound up dead.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at May 12, 2015 02:13 PM (kXoT0)
she wrote another --almost identical-- story about the "rape culture" in the military.
That was her entire angle.
To discredit the military and colleges as patriarchal rape factories where the institutions themselves encourage (or at least, cover up) rapes.
Oh, and the military one has also been, uh, called in to question.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:13 PM (AkOaV)
From Mark Knoller:
Last week, the president addressed the threat of online hacking, going to Stanford University for a White House Summit on Cybersecurity and Consumer Protection.
_______________
Damn, I like Mark Knoller. Helluva guitar player. When I hear "Sultans of Swing" I crank up the volume.
Posted by: Larry Reid, Ready to Party at May 12, 2015 02:13 PM (UlJ3l)
The residents of the home say they were terrified after following the incident. The arrest report states that the girl, covered in broken glass and blood, slapped one of the residents of the home, and then ran outside. When police arrived, the report says she charged the officer while screaming, "I am God, I am Satan!" The officer wrote that he backed up at first, but then Tasered her and took her into custody.
Melbourne Police say this behavior is indicative of someone high on "flakka,"
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Hmmm. Wonder where I could get some of that shit.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 12, 2015 02:13 PM (XUKZU)
Actually police did round up some suspects... One in particular, who worked at an aquatic center and had the misfortune to share part of the name jackie was pressed into giving up (by Erdely) had to hire a lawyer, meet with investigators, provide access to his private records including bank records and work records and more (he cooperated fully with every request) but worse than that. Was actually named on some UVA gossip boards, with a lot of vicious and derogatory attacks on his good name, There were also accusations about other young men on the gossip boards, with little foundation except Jackie's wild tales and a determination the part of some activists to see the young men doxed,
Posted by: Sarahw at May 12, 2015 02:14 PM (lv2k0)
I can't recall the schools the rape victims came from.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2015 02:14 PM (1sJza)
My favorite summit was his Health Care summit with Republicans - the one where he talked over 50% of the time.
In Obama's world, words = action, so of course the dude does 'lots of summits. And it's an opportunity for him to bloviate on whatever progressive hobbyhorse is popular that week. Funtimes!!
Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2015 02:14 PM (2TN4k)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2015 02:09 PM (oKE6c)
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They've told me for years that gays were only interested in snappy looking clothes and color-coordinated bathrooms.
Posted by: Soona at May 12, 2015 02:14 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 02:12 PM (lIU4e)
So where do the frat boys go to get there reputations back?
Posted by: wrg500 at May 12, 2015 02:14 PM (sgrzZ)
*****
We always had whale cakeat the annualpremiereof our town'ssymphony orca-stra.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 12, 2015 02:15 PM (lHb9q)
Posted by: keena at May 12, 2015 02:15 PM (RiTnx)
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 02:15 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2015 01:58 PM (jBuUi)
No, it will not. The story undermines Teh Narrative about the innate goodness and harmlessness of gays, so it will be buried deeper than Scankles' server files.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 12, 2015 02:16 PM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Sarahw at May 12, 2015 02:16 PM (lv2k0)
Posted by: Soona at May 12, 2015 02:14 PM (/HX7u)
And drapes, you forgot drapes.
Hi, Soona!
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at May 12, 2015 02:16 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Mark Halprin at May 12, 2015 02:16 PM (/EkKm)
Here's what annoys me.
Rape is a VERY violent, horrific, terrible crime. It's up there with murder.
To conflate that with "unwanted kissing" or "date rape" to me, is not right.
Yes, "date rape" is not right, and should be a crime. But a lot of these situations are two drunk 18 year old kids, neither of whom really remembers the details or specifics, but who end up in the same bed together after a party and have sex.
That's a little different than someone breaking in to your house, putting a gun to your head, and forcibly raping you, right?
I mean, this whole conflating the definitions of "rape" and "sexual assault" and "unwanted kissing or advances" thing is...
I think it really minimizes the actual horrific crime of rape.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:16 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2015 02:16 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at May 12, 2015 02:16 PM (lHb9q)
I wonder if Whale Cake Girl would look anything like Cake Girl......?
Posted by: fixerupper at May 12, 2015 02:16 PM (8XRCm)
At a pre-camp meeting, parents were told that if students got homesick or had a problem with their cabin leader, they could go talk to Papa Bear at night.
Posted by: mynewhandle
I know -- incredible, isn't it?
The School District CLAIMED publicly that the guy had no contact with kids; but in reality, every single parent had been told for YEARS to specifically tell their kids to go get reassured by this one specific guy if they needed help at night.
Lawsuits? You haven't seen lawsuits yet until this case gets into high gear. This is Silicon Valley -- many of the parents are rich, educated, and/or are lawyers themselves.
Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2015 02:16 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 12, 2015 02:17 PM (0x/TW)
202 Which Carvel Cake do you get for a Rape Party?
Fudgie the Whale, perfect for any occasion.
Posted by: Zombie Tom Carvel at May 12, 2015 01:45 PM (YEelc)
There is such a cake (I looked it up, natch!) and I am laughing so hard right now...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at May 12, 2015 02:17 PM (95CzI)
That women are all evil liars and of the devil? Those are 'facts'?
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 02:15 PM (lIU4e)
That was just baiting. I was talking about 298, which is what I thought we were discussing. Also see my 317.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 02:17 PM (2Ojst)
I swear he emulates Chavez. Hugo had a new "Plan" for some stupid issued every five seconds and then it was never heard of again.
"Fiscal responsibility..." Let THAT one sink in.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 12, 2015 02:17 PM (659DL)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 12, 2015 02:17 PM (sxddc)
Posted by: Sarah Kliff at May 12, 2015 02:17 PM (LISuA)
ok, well if thats true then that guy could probably sue RS.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:18 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Sarahw at May 12, 2015 02:16 PM (lv2k0)
Yep. I truly dislike the Rape Culture On Campus meme because it's poisonous to both, er, all forty, sexes.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at May 12, 2015 02:18 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Sarahw at May 12, 2015 02:16 PM (lv2k0)
Yep. I truly dislike the Rape Culture On Campus meme because it's poisonous to both, er, all forty, sexes.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at May 12, 2015 02:18 PM (kXoT0)
I thought we were up to at least 87.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 02:18 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 12, 2015 02:18 PM (XUKZU)
I also fault her for working with someone in the Obama admin who was their go-to rape person pushing the "rape culture" narrative (IIRC it was this WH person who put Erdley in touch w/Jackie).
So Jackie was contributing to the administrations efforts to push further oversight/requirements on colleges to stem the supposed epidemic of campus rape.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2015 02:19 PM (2TN4k)
Like I said, "bitches aint shit but ho's and tricks. lick on dese nuts and suck ma dick. get tha fuck out when you done, i gots to hop in my ride to make a quick run."
Posted by: Dr Dre at May 12, 2015 02:19 PM (AkOaV)
Yeah, even being armed it's sometimes best to just back the hell up.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 12, 2015 02:19 PM (PtTYB)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 12, 2015 02:19 PM (sxddc)
RS certainly was.
They started doing this articles after Obama quoted the "1 in 5 women raped" number during one of his speeches on initiatives when he was forcing colleges to set up their kangaroo rape courts.
and previously, the military rape article came out right after obama made a speech about how horrific our military is and how there is an epidemic of sexual assault.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:20 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at May 12, 2015 02:16 PM (kXoT0)
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You ready for another round of heavy rain? They're forecasting 100% now.
Btw. Good to see you commenting here again.
Posted by: Soona at May 12, 2015 02:21 PM (/HX7u)
Gawd, that makes me ill!!
Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2015 02:21 PM (2TN4k)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 12, 2015 02:21 PM (659DL)
Stories trying to downplay the Persian Gulf story are noise.
Actions taken confirm things that were feared back in February.
Posted by: River Guide at May 12, 2015 02:21 PM (RJMhd)
Doesn't that really say it all?
Posted by: SH at May 12, 2015 02:21 PM (gmeXX)
Worth a google. There was a sad movie about her sad life five or ten years ago. ODed.
Thanks Bandersnatch - yes she was worth a google. What a waste of life. And yes, I can see the lyrics being about her.
Posted by: An Observation at May 12, 2015 02:21 PM (ihodr)
Ah, nice.
So she was the counselor, prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner?
That's more hats then Political Hat has!
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:22 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 02:18 PM (2Ojst)
Dagnabbit, I just can't keep up, so from now on here at the Q, the accepted term shall be:
the plurality of all sexual genders real and ephemeral
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at May 12, 2015 02:22 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Nicole Eramo at May 12, 2015 02:22 PM (Eszro)
What difference, at this point, does it make?1/1//1!!!?1/!?!?!!?
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 12, 2015 02:22 PM (HSmrB)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at May 12, 2015 02:18 PM (kXoT0)
Again for the male/males involved they are guilty till proven innocent. Even once the male/males are proven innocent they are STILL tarred with the stigma of "accused rapist". Where do they go to get their reputations back?
Posted by: wrg500 at May 12, 2015 02:22 PM (sgrzZ)
Posted by: SH at May 12, 2015 02:22 PM (gmeXX)
Nooooo, pedophiles are not gays, cmon whats wrong with you? Totes different.
Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at May 12, 2015 02:22 PM (3ZtZW)
Completely O/T, but, Sherry, considering your nic, you might like this article:
http://goo.gl/xXT2iL
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 12, 2015 02:23 PM (zF6Iw)
practices to allow a single adult (especially one called "big papa") to
be around a single child. Especially at night.
There should be others there... if only to act as witnesses to say
"hey, this kid is full of shit. nothing happened" to deflect lawsuits.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:11 PM (AkOaV)
Absolutely. For choice there should be one adult of each sex (yeah, I went there - there are only two - so suck it, SJWs) on call at night, and BOTH respond to any problems.
I'd actually worry about any guy who would be willing to take that job as constituted. Any normal guy would consider the risks wildly unacceptable; no upside, and a boatload of potential downside. So someone who would take the job either a) is an idiot, or b) sees some upside that compensates for the potential downside.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2015 02:23 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 12, 2015 02:23 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Chrystal Mangum at May 12, 2015 02:23 PM (8W5zZ)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at May 12, 2015 02:23 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 12, 2015 02:23 PM (evdj2)
So she was the counselor, prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner?
That's more hats then Political Hat has!
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I may have overstated - she advised the university's sexual misconduct board - but did much more.
I would think the only advice you should really give to a university student who comes to your office regarding an alleged sexual misconduct is "have you talked to the police?"
Posted by: SH at May 12, 2015 02:24 PM (gmeXX)
the plurality of all sexual genders real and ephemeral
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at May 12, 2015 02:22 PM (kXoT0)
You forgot imagined, invented, fabricated, manufactured, and dreamed. Why are you so uninclusive, you H8R?
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 02:25 PM (2Ojst)
It's not surprising she'd had trouble with coursework...I bet anyone she's been faking papers and cheating in tests since high school.
Posted by: Sarahw at May 12, 2015 02:25 PM (lv2k0)
http://tinyurl.com/pxnw9lw
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA
________________
Hey, I was going to use the title of that book for my autobiography.
Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at May 12, 2015 02:25 PM (UlJ3l)
So Jackie was contributing to the administrations efforts to push further oversight/requirements on colleges to stem the supposed epidemic of campus rape.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2015 02:19 PM (2TN4k)
I think you're confusing Jackie with Emily Renda. It was Emily Renda who worked at the White House and at UVA and it was Emily Renda who put Erdley in touch with Jackie.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at May 12, 2015 02:25 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 12, 2015 02:25 PM (sxddc)
This.
Which, really, just goes to prove the opposite of "rape culture." A man can literally have the rest of his life ruined even by a provably false claim of rape.
How many times have we been subjected to "*SOMETHING* [could have/must have/obviously] happened to Jackie that night..." Even when a claim is proved completely false, the stigma of being accused follows the poor sap for (at minimum) the rest of his career at that school.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 12, 2015 02:26 PM (kff5f)
Btw. Good to see you commenting here again.
Posted by: Soona at May 12, 2015 02:21 PM (/HX7u)
As ready as I will ever be as the great CCR song says:
"Who'll stop the rain"
http://tinyurl.com/pzojk8s
I am trying to drop by more often despite my dysfunctional GiveODamnMeter.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at May 12, 2015 02:26 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 12, 2015 02:25 PM (sxddc)
As in, occurring only in theory? Lot of that going around...
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 02:26 PM (2Ojst)
Ah, thanks!
Didn't Renda tell Jackie's story at some rape culture hearing?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2015 02:26 PM (2TN4k)
Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 12, 2015 02:26 PM (/Ho8c)
>>Rape is a VERY violent, horrific, terrible crime. It's up there with murder. To conflate that with "unwanted kissing" or "date rape" to me, is not right. Yes, "date rape" is not right, and should be a crime.
mynewhandle, I do have an issue with the idea that a real date rape is not a violent crime, but I think the main problem is that 'we' (and by we I mean the assholes at universities and those pushing this rape culture bs) are conflating real date rape, ie, women goes on date and is raped by date, with two people getting drunk and other hazier situations. They are not the same. Date rape is absolutely a violent crime. But two people getting drunk and having consensual, albeit drunken, sex is NOT date rape.
So the issue is really one of definitions being purposefully changed by those with an agenda.
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 02:26 PM (lIU4e)
gubmit made them set them up if they want to keep getting those sweet sweet federal dollars.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:27 PM (AkOaV)
And the guys at the frat will never get a date again at UVA as accused rapists.
Posted by: wrg500 at May 12, 2015 02:27 PM (sgrzZ)
"The School District CLAIMED publicly that the guy had no contact with kids; but in reality, every single parent had been told for YEARS to specifically tell their kids to go get reassured by this one specific guy if they needed help at night."
Yikes. Incredible that this could happen in 2015. I was Cubmaster for my son's Pack a few years ago and the first thingI was taught at training is that you are never to be alone with another scout that is not yourown son.
Posted by: Benji Carver at May 12, 2015 02:27 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 02:25 PM (2Ojst)
Why, yes, yes, I am a hater, but, the ephemeral covers that.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at May 12, 2015 02:28 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Haven Monahan at May 12, 2015 02:29 PM (HstNY)
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 02:25 PM (2Ojst)
Why, yes, yes, I am a hater, but, the ephemeral covers that.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at May 12, 2015 02:28 PM (kXoT0)
Not if you identify as a thesaurusophile and synonym-kin.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 02:29 PM (2Ojst)
Justice Mason
Sanctuary Miller
Pierre Mooring
Asylum Jones <- (this would be an awesome name for a comic book character)
Shelter Manning
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at May 12, 2015 02:29 PM (4df7R)
I guess that's my point.
I should have used the terms better.
But they're conflating a situation where two "friends with benefits" get drunk and hook up and the girls boyfriend finds out and she cries "rape" with a violent rape.
And to me... look, I'm not saying the guys shouldn't get punished if they took advantage of a drunk girl. That's absolutely wrong.
but it seems to be in a different league of crime then a forcible rape.
And the SJWs are trying to conflate all of that to basically say "all sex is (potentially) rape, even if the guy THOUGHT it was consensual based on the actions and words of the girl"
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:29 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Sarahw at May 12, 2015 02:30 PM (lv2k0)
372 Why does a university have a sexual misconduct board?
Posted by: SH at May 12, 2015 02:22 PM (gmeXX)
Because nothing discourages future acts of sexual misconduct better than a bare-arsed paddling administered over the DoSM's knee?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at May 12, 2015 02:30 PM (95CzI)
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I think this board was set up long before. This is just a symptom of too much money in higher education. UVA is never really hurting for money, as much as they cry poor when the state cuts funds. With so much money, you have to spend it somewhere. A rising tide lifts all boats.
Posted by: SH at May 12, 2015 02:30 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Vaginassassin, aka Beth at May 12, 2015 02:23 PM (4df7R)
That was my reaction too. As soon as I heard "Haven Monaghan" you'd have heard my notebook snapping shut as I got up and left the room, laughing.
Just the name makes me think of some teenaged girl writing the name in her diary with the name surrounded by hearts, while she dreams of a Fabio look-alike with his shirt halfway unbuttoned.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2015 02:32 PM (oKE6c)
I'm a little more sympathetic toward Jackie than most.
Shes a dumb girl who made up a dumb lie for a dumb reason and it spun out of control. I can see how that happened. Not excusable, she should be punished, but I mean...
RS on the other hand, yeah fuck them. They should have known better.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:32 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 02:26 PM (lIU4e)
--------------------------------------------
And THIS was the main purpose of this whole clusterfuck. It wasn't about equal or unbiased justice. This is social justice.
Posted by: Soona at May 12, 2015 02:32 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 12, 2015 02:32 PM (VAsIq)
#324
I get concerns by the men who are being railroaded. That should stop. That is why we have a justice system and we look for evidence before convicting. But rape, particularly something like date rape, is actually hard to prove sometimes so I find this idea that 'unable to prove' = lies as disturbing as I do the automatic presumption of guilt at an accusation. We should realize that the law is imperfect and sometimes bad people are going to get away with things. Sometimes innocents get railroaded and sometimes the guilty go free.
Uh...no. Just no.
Rules of evidence, trials by jury, investigations, indictments, all of these things were created especially to PREVENT innocent people from being convicted. Better a hundredcriminals go free, than an innocent man be hanged, or so we used to think. I get that date rape is hard to prove. Guess what? Most crimes are hard to prove in a court of law. Guess what? The court was designed specifically for that purpose.
The idea that Rape is bad, so we must dispense with the rule of lawis preposterous. In fact it is tyrannical. Once we decide that we can dispense with the rule of law whenever it becomes inconvenient, then there is no rule of law, there is rule by men, which is essentially rule by whim and emotion. It is rule by unelected and unaccountable mobs.
Posted by: PT Barnum at May 12, 2015 02:32 PM (/EkKm)
Didn't Renda tell Jackie's story at some rape culture hearing?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2015 02:26 PM (2TN4k)
I think so.
Also IIRC, the story that Jackie told Renda and the various survivors groups was different yet again from the stories she told Ryan et al and Erdley.
Now is where I am somewhat vicious. Emily Renda claims that she is a rape survivor. IIRC, there is no police report or other official investigation into her claims to be a victim either. So, yes, I do have doubts about her own claim to be a victim.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at May 12, 2015 02:32 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at May 12, 2015 02:32 PM (yxw0r)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 12, 2015 02:33 PM (0x/TW)
"no no, not Jerry Gallo! He's dead! I said Jerry Callo. With a 'c'"
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:33 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: steevy at May 12, 2015 02:33 PM (mGBKM)
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In my hierarchy of blame, it goes like this:
- Teresa Sullivan and UVA
- Rolling Stone
- Erderly
- Jackie (and she is actually really low)
Posted by: SH at May 12, 2015 02:34 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: wrg500 at May 12, 2015 02:27 PM (sgrzZ)
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They'd be crazy even to try.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2015 02:35 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: PT Barnum at May 12, 2015 02:32 PM (/EkKm)
This.
Posted by: flounder at May 12, 2015 02:35 PM (ecDRv)
The most horrible part, I think, was reading that the daughter was raped by 5 of them, while the mother was forced to the ATM by the other.
What, RS? You can't find a lefty angle in that story?
Posted by: Lauren at May 12, 2015 02:35 PM (MYCIw)
Just the name makes me think of some teenaged girl writing the name in her diary
"Mr. And Mrs. Haven Monahan"
"Mrs. Haven Monahan"
"Jackie and Haven Monahan"
"The Fabulously In Love Monahans"
Oy...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at May 12, 2015 02:35 PM (95CzI)
- Teresa Sullivan and UVA
- Rolling Stone
- Erderly
- Jackie (and she is actually really low)
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I should have said my hierarchy of bad actors.
I put UVA at the top because they are the state agency.
Posted by: SH at May 12, 2015 02:36 PM (gmeXX)
Yeah, I don't get it. Leaving one creepy pedo looking dude in charge of 100+ kids alone at night seems like a recipe for disaster.
Even if the guy was totally innocent and above board. It just looks bad.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:36 PM (AkOaV)
Just the name makes me think of some teenaged girl writing the name in her diary
"Mr. And Mrs. Haven Monahan"
"Mrs. Haven Monahan"
"Jackie and Haven Monahan"
"The Fabulously In Love Monahans"
Oy...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at May 12, 2015 02:35 PM (95CzI)
Written in metallic paint pen on the brown paper cover of her textbook.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 12, 2015 02:36 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Ancient Wisdom at May 12, 2015 02:36 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 12, 2015 02:37 PM (sxddc)
Umm...did you actually read what I wrote? I pretty much said the exact opposite of that. I said the law is imperfect, not that we should dispense with it!
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 02:37 PM (lIU4e)
Yeah, I doubt Renda, too.
She seems like a 'rape culture' Sandra Fluke.
Fluke selected Georgetown Law specifically because it didn't cover birth control so ath she could dabble in social justice activism wile getting a JD. And she never claimed she personally was affected, she mentioned knowing a gal who needed bc for some medical issue blah, blah, blah.
Because that's what our colleges/universities produce today: good little SJW's doing battle on behalf of real or imagined victims.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2015 02:37 PM (2TN4k)
Posted by: Maven Honahan at May 12, 2015 02:37 PM (oVJmc)
to me, thats absolutely horrific and all of the guys should get life with no possibility of parole.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:37 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: tcn in AK at May 12, 2015 02:38 PM (+YMhA)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 12, 2015 02:38 PM (sxddc)
Posted by: Hannah Montana at May 12, 2015 02:38 PM (2TN4k)
Posted by: Lauren
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It is unfortunate that the Bush-era policies have driven people to such depraved actions. If only Republicans would stop stone-walling anti-rape legislation we could prevent this sort of thing happening.
Posted by: Rolling Stone at May 12, 2015 02:39 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 12, 2015 02:37 PM (sxddc)
I don't know, but the media loves to conflate those terms depending on the circumstances.
They use them as synonyms enough that when a guy grabs a girls ass and it fits the narrative, the media says "sexual assault" and people assume they mean rape.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:39 PM (AkOaV)
Do you really believe that? I'm sure they had a rough time for several months, but by now I figure everybody on campus knows that Jackie was lying her ass off and except for the occasional idiot who probably wasn't going to be dating frat guys anyway, would have no qualms going out with one of them..
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 02:40 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:40 PM (AkOaV)
"Mrs. Haven Monahan"
"Jackie and Haven Monahan"
"The Fabulously In Love Monahans"
Oy...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at May 12, 2015 02:35 PM (95CzI)
Exactly. That's why I'd be laughing as I left the room.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2015 02:41 PM (oKE6c)
No, and I doubt it really hurt their reputations at all, since I think *most* girls are normal and realized how suspicious this was from day one and believed their boyfriends / friends at the frat that they would never rape a girl as a part of some ritualistic rushing process
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 12, 2015 02:41 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Null at May 12, 2015 02:41 PM (xjpRj)
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I suspect the people inclined to turn against the Phi Psi members already hated them and nothing will change their mind.
Posted by: SH at May 12, 2015 02:41 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: wrg500 at May 12, 2015 02:41 PM (sgrzZ)
Nooooo, pedophiles are not gays, cmon whats wrong with you? Totes different.
For fuck's sake, people, can we not use paedophelia as an excuse to say how icky teh gheys are? Pedos prey on both genders and there is nothing inherently pedo about being gay.
The assumption is analogous to racism and is just rude to normal gay people.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, now half gay at May 12, 2015 02:41 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: mynewhandle
When I do it, people just chuckle.
Posted by: Joe Biden at May 12, 2015 02:41 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Michael Corleone at May 12, 2015 02:42 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: wrg500 at May 12, 2015 02:41 PM (sgrzZ)
But not nine?
Totes cool.
Posted by: Mohammad at May 12, 2015 02:43 PM (7YlUk)
Also, people within the activist groups where her story was circulating, were actively speculating about young men responsible for Jackie's terrible abuse. She was avoiding a false police report, but she was not blameless of harm before RS got in the picture.
Posted by: Sarahw at May 12, 2015 02:43 PM (lv2k0)
rough time for several months, but by now I figure everybody on campus
knows that Jackie was lying her ass off and except for the occasional
idiot who probably wasn't going to be dating frat guys anyway, would
have no qualms going out with one of them..
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 02:40 PM (lIU4e)
I'd turn it around: would they want to date UVa gals? They might want to think about that. First, any subsequent allegation will be taken as vindication for Jackie's crap, and second, I could easily imagine an undercover (?) SJW trying to achieve precisely such validation.
The hard part would be find an SJW who wasn't a beast.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 12, 2015 02:45 PM (oKE6c)
I'm a little more sympathetic toward Jackie than most.
I'm not.
The sheer size and brutality of the story she concocted leaves little room for much sympathy, IMO. This was not a girl crying to her friends about how a boy she liked had sex with her and then wouldn't call her back, and isn't he awful? And don't you want to comfort me now? And won't you take me out on a rebound date, Ryan? That kind of stupid over-emotional crap is what I'd expect out of a spoiled college girl who wanted a boy to like her. It's not right, but at least it wouldn't actually hurt anyone (except maybe Ryan, who dodged one hell of a bullet by knowing not to stick his dick in Jackie's crazy).
But no. This girl was willing to concoct a brutal gang rape so mind-boggling on all levels that, within 24 hours of hitting the mainstream press, it was well on the way to being debunked. She was more than happy to invent truly twisted, depraved acts that she claimed had been visited upon her (hours of rape on broken glass?), and then was ready and willing to smear her "friends" after the fact when she didn't get the result she wanted. This is fabulism taken to extremes. The only way it could have been WORSE would have been had she accused an actual human being rather than a made-up catfishing persona. The fact that she didn't? That she was willing to maintain a farce for as long as she did, was willing to manufacture a bloody, brutal rape, and then NOT go to police about it? That tells me that she KNEW how wrong what she was doing was, and she did it anyway. She had enough consciousness of guilt to know that filing a false police report about such a ludicrous, easily disproven rape would land her in trouble, so she didn't do it. She just let the story fester as she basked in the glow of victimhood she'd created for herself.
She is deserving of only scanty sympathy, and that's only if she has a legitimate, diagnosable mental disorder. Otherwise she's nothing but a g-ddamn liar, and a hysterical one at that.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at May 12, 2015 02:46 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at May 12, 2015 02:47 PM (iKhVZ)
Posted by: Lea
This is what the SJWs/Proggies/Postmodernists do. They commandeer the language to mean whatever the hell they want it to, and the majority of folks lap it up.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 12, 2015 02:48 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 02:40 PM (lIU4e)
No frigging way would I go out with any coed if I were one of those guys. Too many SJW's around who desperately want The Narrative (frat boys are rapey rapists!) to be true.
Any college boy would be better off dating the girl who works FT at Safeway and goes to community college at night than they would risking the company of a college feminist who has had her head filled with Oppressed Vayjayjay Narratives.
Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at May 12, 2015 02:50 PM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Penfold at May 12, 2015 02:52 PM (Fbt5B)
But that's kind of important, imo. I guess for me, that would have been the line that moved it from crazy crazy nonsense an 18/19 year old did to get attention to actual malice.
She's a liar. Yes. She's crazy. Yes. What she did wasn't right. Absolutely I agree with that.
I just don't think her intentions were to hurt specific people and she definitely resisted any attempt to get her to slander a specific person or file a false report that could get someone sent to jail. So she at least had a moral line that she drew for her crazy self. It is not the one I would draw or you would draw, obviously.
So she is not in the same category for me as the mattress girl, or the duke rape stripper lady. I believe Rollins Stone and UVA are more culpable and caused the majority of damages. I'm not sure what the proper punishment for Jackie actually would be as she didn't file a false report and she didn't name a specific person.
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 02:52 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: The Corgie Callin' Hat at May 12, 2015 02:55 PM (7YlUk)
Posted by: Penfold at May 12, 2015 02:58 PM (Fbt5B)
mattress girl, or the duke rape stripper lady. I believe Rollins Stone
and UVA are more culpable and caused the majority of damages. I'm not
sure what the proper punishment for Jackie actually would be as she
didn't file a false report and she didn't name a specific person.
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 02:52 PM (lIU4e)
Proper punishment for Jackie is what she's getting: mockery and derision. Eventually she might grow up, pen a column or memoir about her experience, and reflect back on what a foolish, ridiculous thing she did, and what profound consequences it had on the national "conversation" on "rape culture." At that point I'll be happy to call her a changed woman.
Until then, mockery and derision, mockery and derision, ad infinitum.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at May 12, 2015 03:00 PM (4df7R)
Oh yes. I agree with that absolutely.
Posted by: Lea at May 12, 2015 03:04 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Mr Wizard at May 12, 2015 03:09 PM (eOpVe)
Posted by: Becky at May 12, 2015 03:12 PM (kj0P/)
Posted by: Interesting Times at May 12, 2015 03:23 PM (O65kW)
Didn't the guy who was accused of rape by the crazy chick who carries her mattress everywhere also sue? (How does she do that? I can barely lift thesides of my mattress to change the fitted sheet.)
I like this trend.
Posted by: LASue at May 12, 2015 03:24 PM (pWeX5)
Posted by: Comanche Voter at May 12, 2015 04:46 PM (Sda6L)
He's also suing the president of Columbia U. and the professor who approved the Mattress Project for art class.
I'm not sure why he isn't suing the mattress girl too, unless there's some reason he can't sue her in federal court (which is where his lawsuit is). Granted, she personally probably doesn't have a lot of assets, but she is more at fault than anyone he is suing.
Posted by: Joshua at May 12, 2015 05:51 PM (oCZ4e)
Try to get the facts straight. It was Richard Bradley, followed by Robbie Soave, who first questioned the provenance of the RS story, and they took a lot of flak for it at the start. WaPo and Shapiro did jump in then, to their credit, but there was not a peep from them until well after Bradley first raised doubts, even though they were the only national media with full time "boots on the ground" in Central Virginia.
Of course it's speculation, but in your heart, do you really think WaPo would have debunked that story on their own, if it wasn't already falling apart?
Posted by: Adjoran at May 12, 2015 06:10 PM (QIQ6j)
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