Is Obama's Rhetoric Leading To More Police Deaths?

The FBI released it's annual report on police officers killed in the commission of felonies (this doesn't include officer deaths due to things like traffic accidents or health issues such as heart attacks while on duty). There's a screaming headline from the report that may lead you to think so.

Preliminary statistics released today by the FBI show that 51 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed in the line of duty in 2014. This is an increase of almost 89 percent when compared to the 27 officers killed in 2013.

Whoa. An 89% increase? Obama and Holder have a lot of cop blood on their hands!

Well, no.

It turns out that 2013 was thankfully an incredibly safe (and anomalous) year for officers. "Only" 21 were killed by felonious means such as firearms, knifes, physical assault, etc.

Well, maybe the trend had been going down and 2014 represents a reversal? Nope. On average 61 officers were killed in this category from 1980 to 2014. I can't find a complete list of them by year but I did some random searches for this same report and found 2014 numbers were comparable with other years.

In 2012 the number was 48.

In 2010 is was 56.

In 2002 the number was 56 and 2003 it was 52.

So far this year 11 officers have died as the result of "gunfire" and "assault" (including two over the weekend in Mississippi). Given that we are nearly halfway through the year it's hard to say there's been a massive uptick in this type of tragedy. Perhaps historically these deaths aren't traditionally evenly spread out over the year and we will see an increase in the coming months. At this point though, it's hard to say there's a spike.

In the modern media age it can be very hard to tell if something is happening more frequently or are we we just hearing more about it? The hysteria over the supposed epidemic of children being abducted is a case in point.

Are there legitimate complaints about the nature of policing in some areas and the treatment officers receive in the judicial system? I certainly think so.

Is police work a dangerous and vital job most of us wouldn't and couldn't do well? Absolutely.

You don't have to like Obama's rhetoric and approach to these issues, I don't. But just because it "feels" like more terrible things are happening doesn't mean they are.

As we work our way through these issues at every level of society and government, it's important we deal in facts, not scare headlines and emotionally satisfying laying of blame.

*I changed the headline to better reflect the thrust of the post.

Posted by: DrewM. at 11:39 AM

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1 Obama is a SCOAMF, regardless.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 11, 2015 11:42 AM (wtvvX)

2 Oneth?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 11, 2015 11:42 AM (0HooB)

3 And first

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 11, 2015 11:42 AM (wtvvX)

4 Shazbot!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 11, 2015 11:42 AM (0HooB)

5 Sorry, BB

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 11, 2015 11:42 AM (wtvvX)

6 Oh well, TL, that's what I get for reading the post first.

You'd think I'd learn, but noooooo...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 11, 2015 11:43 AM (0HooB)

7 Hmm, one of us should go fetch the Corgis.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 11, 2015 11:44 AM (0HooB)

8
"scare headlines"

The headline is:

FBI Releases 2014 Preliminary Statistics for Law Enforcement Officers Killed in the Line of Duty

Not inflammatory in any way.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 11, 2015 11:44 AM (kdS6q)

9 Well I guess I was lucky, as I also read the post foist...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 11, 2015 11:45 AM (wtvvX)

10 Can we see a breakdown of how many officer deaths in previous years were pre-planned assassinations of police officers?

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 11, 2015 11:45 AM (VAsIq)

11 Corgis called

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 11, 2015 11:45 AM (wtvvX)

12 Yes

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 11, 2015 11:46 AM (fWAjv)

13 Well I guess I was lucky, as I also read the post foist...

"Ever since I took the Evelyn Woodhead...sped redin...course...my redding comprenshun has...increased.

Wonderfully."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 11, 2015 11:47 AM (0HooB)

14 Fair enough, but I would argue that the words AND actions of the Obama administration (especially the Holder/Lynch DoJ) aren't helping at all.

Posted by: Toastrider at May 11, 2015 11:47 AM (w0vrv)

15 Body counts are like global warming. The numbers serve a political purpose and are manipulated to serve that purpose. Just try finding FBI crime statistics, and then try and figure out the methodology.

Look at the homicide stats, and then try to categorize them.

Like that story about the rookie cop being beaten up and the civilian gun owner who stopped the beating. Had the civilian shot the assailant that would have been just another uptick in the homicide column.

A gang banger shot in a drive by shooting is added in to the same total as a home invader being shot by the wife of the home owner.

Posted by: Cleveland Boid at May 11, 2015 11:47 AM (xU2I7)

16 maybe there is no uptick in LEO killings per se, but it seems like there is more publicity and furor around the murder [yes, they are murders]. Haven't seen so much "kill the pigs" venom since the '60s...

Posted by: geezer der mensch at May 11, 2015 11:48 AM (DE31Y)

17 >>> As we work our way through these issues at every level of society and
government, it's important we deal in facts, not scare headlines and
emotionally satisfying laying of blame.

Suckas!

Posted by: MSM, hive minding the narrative talking points while sniggering at you at May 11, 2015 11:48 AM (yRwC8)

18 Not inflammatory in any way.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix

I found that response emotionally satisfying.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 11, 2015 11:48 AM (VAsIq)

19 IslamaObama and left want to impose martial law and/or takeaway American freedoms. Incite a race war is the easiest way they see of doing it. We the people don't want this so the left keeps trying.

Posted by: OTB at May 11, 2015 11:48 AM (s91DN)

20 10 Can we see a breakdown of how many officer deaths in previous years were pre-planned assassinations of police officers?

Yeah, that I definitely lay at the Ear Leaser's feet.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at May 11, 2015 11:49 AM (NxCoO)

21 "And remember, you heard it here first on Roller Derby..."

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 11, 2015 11:49 AM (wtvvX)

22 Not to sound overly pessimistic but the hot days of summer aren't here yet, and I'm not including when the Baltimore DA can't make even a littering charge stick to those six officers. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at May 11, 2015 11:49 AM (myGBe)

23 You don't have to like Obama's rhetoric and approach to these issues, I don't. But just because it "feels" like more terrible things are happening doesn't mean they are.

Stranger child abductions.

Plane crashes.

Shark attacks.

Pre-pimp. In BC and I's podcast, I discuss how it's difficult to get numbers on how many individuals are killed by police officers, not to mention information on the circumstances. After all, there's a difference in kind between guy shot and killed by cop because cop thought he was using his taser instead of his gun and woman shot and killed by cop after she led them on a high speed chase and took pot shots at them.

A decision is only as good as the data on which it is based. I want to know what the problem is before I start trying to determine a solution.

That's part of why I find the bukkake theater that is so much of political discourse today to be horrifying. The second something happens, let's say a shooting at a mall, I know what the Left will say, I know what the Right will say and I know what I will say. All of that without any facts being known. That's not rational argument. Hell, that's not argument at all. That's sheer and utter blind partisanship.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at May 11, 2015 11:49 AM (mf5HN)

24
Now, with these guys, you may have a legitimate beef:

Number of law enforcement officers killed skyrockets
myfoxny.com

Police officer slayings surged 89 percent in 2014, FBI says
Washington Times

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 11, 2015 11:49 AM (kdS6q)

25 Perhaps it's because more civilians are armed. You know, like the CC civilian in OK that saved a cop this weekend.

Posted by: Soona at May 11, 2015 11:50 AM (/HX7u)

26 Well, I was told there would be no math on this site, but if I must...

11 in just under a half-year does indicate a down-tick.

Posted by: Citizen X at May 11, 2015 11:50 AM (7ObY1)

27 Heh. "Bukkake Theatre".

I like that one, AtC.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 11, 2015 11:51 AM (wtvvX)

28 Let's see. New Black Panther threatens white people at the polls in '08, "You're about to be ruled by the black man!" while wielding a baton and crickets from the DoJ.

Nah, I'm sure Barry is just fine with the po-po.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2015 11:51 AM (FsuaD)

29 AtC - you're right..we all are ready to jump on our preferred narritive rather than wait for the facts, such as they might be.

Posted by: geezer der mensch at May 11, 2015 11:51 AM (DE31Y)

30 "I'm not including when the Baltimore DA can't make even a littering charge stick to those six officers. "

That is strange. Lesser charges they could much more likely gotten convictions on. But, no, she went nuclear and it's going to be difficult.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 11, 2015 11:51 AM (LA7Cm)

31 You're dealing with a small numbers problem.

Somewhere between 20 and 60 cops are killed every year "in the commission of felonies" (using Drew's numbers.)

Given the number of cops (and the number of felonies) this is an incredibly small number, meaning random events could lead to large percentage increases.

And given the way it's defined simply an increase in violent crime would likely correlate to higher numbers (and shitty economies tend to correlate with an increase in violent crime.)

The apples to apples comparison would be: are we seeing an increase in targeted attacks on police. (See also: NYC axe attack.)

Even then you're dealing with fairly small numbers and what'd I'd categorize as "semi-random" events (meaning: Crazy will assert itself at some point, regardless of the SCOAMF, it's just a matter of when.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at May 11, 2015 11:51 AM (HDwDg)

32 OT:Interesting essay by Seymour Hersh claiming the narrative put out by the White House on the Bin Laden raid wasn't all that truthful.

http://tinyurl.com/o5pbvth

Posted by: wrg500 at May 11, 2015 11:51 AM (sgrzZ)

33
"Killed".
How many were shot?
I mean vests and rapid medical care account for what would have been lethal attacks in previous years.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 11, 2015 11:52 AM (F2IAQ)

34 "11 in just under a half-year does indicate a down-tick. "

If that average holds, yes.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 11, 2015 11:52 AM (LA7Cm)

35 We need to save our country from global warming by suspending all immigration and then throwing all the foreigners out.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 11, 2015 11:52 AM (EHCBH)

36 Is Obama's Rhetoric Leading To More Police Deaths?

It certainly sets the stage for more police deaths, if nothing else.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 11, 2015 11:53 AM (zF6Iw)

37 That's part of why I find the bukkake theater that is so much of political discourse today to be horrifying. The second something happens, let's say a shooting at a mall, I know what the Left will say, I know what the Right will say and I know what I will say. All of that without any facts being known. That's not rational argument. Hell, that's not argument at all. That's sheer and utter blind partisanship.

In this Misinformation Age, there's no shortage of leftards who are eager to jump in between us and the truth in order to manipulate us for their power.

I guess that's nothing new, and technology just makes it that much simpler these days.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 11, 2015 11:53 AM (0HooB)

38 >>18 Not inflammatory in any way.

Not a single cop died by immolation!

Posted by: Garrett at May 11, 2015 11:53 AM (+ECKZ)

39 Scumbags are gonna scumbag. Most of the posers out protesting don't have the balls to take on a target that can shoot back.

Posted by: Mike Brown at May 11, 2015 11:54 AM (5fSr7)

40 Still Bush's fault.

Posted by: King Fcukhead at May 11, 2015 11:54 AM (VndSC)

41 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 11, 2015 11:49 AM (kdS6q)

Yeah, I meant people would find that type of headline within the report.

I wrote to post because of what I was seeing on Twitter.

Thanks for those examples.

Posted by: DrewM. at May 11, 2015 11:54 AM (r5Qcm)

42 OT:Interesting essay by Seymour Hersh claiming the narrative put out by the White House on the Bin Laden raid wasn't all that truthful.

Hersh is a hack.

Next.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 11, 2015 11:54 AM (659DL)

43 Thrust is a Trigger Word for me.

Posted by: chach at May 11, 2015 11:55 AM (6f3qi)

44
Maybe black youth shouldn't inflame police officers by acting stupidly.

Shit that Bill O'Really Said, Vol. 1

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 11, 2015 11:55 AM (St6BJ)

45 43 Thrust is a Trigger Word for me.
Posted by: chach at May 11, 2015 11:55 AM (6f3qi)

What about "parry?"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 11, 2015 11:55 AM (St6BJ)

46 That's a big number....almost as big as the number of Black on Black murders in Baltimore in the last month.

Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at May 11, 2015 11:55 AM (uJK1E)

47 Yeah nice try Drew but BULLSHIT.

Not everything is able to be analyzed with stats. The 2 Officers killed in NYC a few months ago is DRIECTLY attibuted to Fredo's/Holder's and BeCommio's words and the atmosphere they have created..

And it is BECAUSE the Police- many of whom I dislike temmendoulsy- have such a dangerous job and deal with so many disgusting people, that they have to be given the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise and at least supported verbally

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 11:55 AM (rDqRv)

48 I'd also like to see how many of those shootings were random executions vs shootings in the middle of another crime/ fleeing the scene of a crime.

Posted by: Lauren at May 11, 2015 11:56 AM (MYCIw)

49 What about "parry?"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 11, 2015 11:55 AM (St6BJ)

Don't forget "spin", too.

Posted by: physics geek at May 11, 2015 11:56 AM (MT22W)

50 I got an A in college rhetoric. Didn't buy a book or go to class either.

Posted by: King Fcukhead at May 11, 2015 11:56 AM (VndSC)

51 Thrust is a Trigger Word for me.

Me too!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at May 11, 2015 11:56 AM (zF6Iw)

52 43 Thrust is a Trigger Word for me.
Posted by: chach at May 11, 2015 11:55 AM (6f3qi)

We use "Palomino." Oh, wait, you said "trigger" word.

Posted by: Barry and Reggie at May 11, 2015 11:57 AM (vgIRn)

53 I wonder what Holder will do now that he's a "civilian" again?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2015 11:57 AM (FsuaD)

54 Looky there. "American Idol" cancelled.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 11, 2015 11:57 AM (LA7Cm)

55 Ho ha ha. Dodge. Spin. Perry. Thrust.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 11, 2015 11:57 AM (EHCBH)

56 What about "parry?"

Don't forget "spin", too.

YIKES, AND AWAY!!!!!!

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 11, 2015 11:57 AM (659DL)

57 Trigger? That sounds pretty darn close to being racist.

Posted by: Roy at May 11, 2015 11:58 AM (VndSC)

58 *noms on Shari's Berries*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2015 11:58 AM (FsuaD)

59 In this Misinformation Age, there's no shortage of leftards who are eager to jump in between us and the truth in order to manipulate us for their power.

I guess that's nothing new, and technology just makes it that much simpler these days.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 11, 2015 11:53 AM (0HooB)

It's not just the Left. The Right does it too. I do it as well. Everyone does it.

We talk about the 24 hour rule and all the rest of it but we all, each and every one of us, hear a snippet of something and then slam our own Narrative on it. That's how the human mind operates. Learning to stop and *think* and separate out what you know vs. what you assume vs. having the patience to wait and see what happened is difficult.

It's much easier to scream guns are evil, if only someone with a concealed carry permit was there and oh man see this is why we need to reform mental health care. When the facts of the underlying event are irrelevant to your policy prescription, then you are dealing in faith, not reason.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at May 11, 2015 11:58 AM (mf5HN)

60 Well Drew, anything that makes TFG look bad is fine with me.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 11, 2015 11:58 AM (R8hU8)

61 My Trigger Word is Roy Rogers.

Posted by: Trigger, enjoying retirement immensely at May 11, 2015 11:58 AM (0HooB)

62 My prediction: Unless all six of those Baltimore cops get the needle, there will be outraged riots.

Posted by: jwpaine at May 11, 2015 11:59 AM (0bXhD)

63 *noms on Shari's Berries*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2015 11:58 AM (FsuaD)

Always knew Shari was kinky.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 11, 2015 11:59 AM (sgrzZ)

64 Half of the six cops aren't even Klansmen.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 11, 2015 12:00 PM (EHCBH)

65 Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at May 11, 2015 11:49 AM (mf5HN)

Several years back we had a guy light a car on fire and take pot shots at the first responders as they showed up.

Thankfully no one died.

But I would consider this a targeted attack (obviously in no way related to Bamby as he wasn't even a senator then IIRC.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at May 11, 2015 12:00 PM (HDwDg)

66 61 My Trigger Word is Roy Rogers.
Posted by: Trigger, enjoying retirement immensely at May 11, 2015 11:58 AM (0HooB)

"Pull the Tregroes."

National Lampoon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BomP2ey0eT8

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 11, 2015 12:00 PM (St6BJ)

67 My trigger word is RinTinTin. Oh......wait.....that's something else entirely.

Posted by: Soona at May 11, 2015 12:01 PM (/HX7u)

68 When the facts of the underlying event are irrelevant to your policy prescription, then you are dealing in faith, not reason.

Yep. And narrative, too.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 11, 2015 12:01 PM (0HooB)

69 Being a trashman is more dangerous than being a cop. Being a cop doesn't even make the top ten of the most dangerous jobs.

http://www.businessinsider.com/most-dangerous-jobs-in-america-2014-12?op=1

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 11, 2015 12:01 PM (dULJN)

70 Good news. ISIS threatens terrorist attack on America today at 2:00.

http://tinyurl.com/lfnoeyc

Don't go to the mall.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2015 12:02 PM (FsuaD)

71 With the news headlines since Ferguson, and Baltimore, it certainly sounds like there is a war on police departments when the media paints all police departments a oppressive tools of the white man, guilty of excessive force, and shows us pictures of a para military SWAT unit.

Posted by: Cleveland Boid at May 11, 2015 12:02 PM (xU2I7)

72 Algernon?

Posted by: Richard Gere at May 11, 2015 12:02 PM (EHCBH)

73 What's really interesting about social media is the insight to the "average guy". By "average guy" I mean shit you wouldn't hear around most "normal" people. Reading the article on Malkin's Twitchy about the black Subway Sandwich Artist tweeting in delight about the two cops being shot really bothered me. Every so often we get glimpses of counter culture bubbling and burping up to the surface of daily reality.

I believe this is "Obama's America", so to speak, the society he and other liberals inhabit, were violence and hate is not necessarily bad just as long as it's used against the oppressors.

Posted by: Arson Wells at May 11, 2015 12:02 PM (UnJ7w)

74 One thing that bugs me is the drumbeat of how uniquely dangerous being a cop is. It's not. There were more fatal job-related injuries in the leisure and hospitality industry than law enforcement in 2013 for goodness' sake. Mining, crop production, construction, transportation, logging, even accommodation and food services had more fatal on the job injuries that year.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 11, 2015 12:03 PM (2Ojst)

75 DrewM - This post is totally bogus, how dare you use statistics and a reasoned argument!!

I "feel" there are more police deaths and for the lefts that's all that matters.

Posted by: bobbymike at May 11, 2015 12:03 PM (8J355)

76 70 They are hackers. Maybe they will attack computers.

Posted by: Richard Gere at May 11, 2015 12:03 PM (EHCBH)

77 What about "parry?"
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Don't forget "spin", too.
Posted by: physics geek

Snap, snap, sashay, twirl!

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 11, 2015 12:04 PM (WNPJe)

78 A change in numbers can also be attributed to changes in policing behaviors in recognition of a more dangerous environment, so there's a lot of give-and-take in interpreting things.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 11, 2015 12:04 PM (oVJmc)

79 "Good news. ISIS threatens terrorist attack on America today at 2:00.
"

Let me guess, because Pam Geller is a meanie?

Posted by: Lauren at May 11, 2015 12:04 PM (MYCIw)

80 Just tell us the data you need to draw the conclusions you want.

Posted by: The NOAA at May 11, 2015 12:04 PM (FcR7P)

81 They are hackers. Maybe they will attack computers.

Even money the White House and State dept get hacked again if true.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 11, 2015 12:05 PM (sgrzZ)

82 "But just because it "feels" like more terrible things are happening doesn't mean they are."

O/o

Posted by: Memories Pizza at May 11, 2015 12:05 PM (1W6Z5)

83 *rummages around for the buck and a quarter quarter-staff*

Now where's Friar Duck?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 11, 2015 12:05 PM (t1YFX)

84 "I wonder what Holder will do now that he's a "civilian" again?"

------------------------------------------------------------
Same thing he did then. Professional race baiter.

Posted by: OTB at May 11, 2015 12:05 PM (s91DN)

85 Let me guess, because Pam Geller is a meanie?

Infidel respiration.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 11, 2015 12:05 PM (0HooB)

86 Every.Single.Week. in our town several young black men are shot, and sometimes killed, by other young black men. There are no marches, riots, nothing.

One idiot just suffered his second gunshot wound in a couple of months, and still won't tell the police who shot him or why.

But the Narrative: Black Lives Matter

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2015 12:05 PM (FsuaD)

87
You say police deaths. What about:

shot but not dead?
aggravated assaults?

Posted by: Bruce J. at May 11, 2015 12:06 PM (iQIUe)

88 77 Snap, snap, sashay, twirl!
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 11, 2015 12:04 PM (WNPJe)

Plop, plop, fizz, fizz . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 11, 2015 12:06 PM (St6BJ)

89 I think you might even see less Police Deaths as the year goes on, since many Cops, and rightfully so, are just gonna sit in their cars and let most things go. I mean why take a chance? And I am dead serious about that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 12:06 PM (rDqRv)

90 "http://www.businessinsider.com/most-dangerous-jobs-in-america-2014-12?op=1"

List seems about right. Truck driver struck me funny at first but since they are on the roads more than the average driver I suppose their chances of being in an accident are higher than the average.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 11, 2015 12:06 PM (LA7Cm)

91 Insomniac...same here. It drives me crazy

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 11, 2015 12:06 PM (dULJN)

92 One thing that bugs me is the drumbeat of how uniquely dangerous being a cop is. It's not. There were more fatal job-related injuries in the leisure and hospitality industry than law enforcement in 2013 for goodness' sake. Mining, crop production, construction, transportation, logging, even accommodation and food services had more fatal on the job injuries that year.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 11, 2015 12:03 PM (2Ojst)

------------------------------------------

So all those people were shot?

Posted by: Soona at May 11, 2015 12:06 PM (/HX7u)

93 The picture thread was up for an hour and it got STOMPED like AtC chasing flying spiders.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft - the ADHD is in full-bloom this morning at May 11, 2015 12:06 PM (nqiq9)

94 What about "parry?"

He has a racist rock.
All around the racist rock the ragged rascal ran.

Posted by: Doctor K at May 11, 2015 12:07 PM (W5DcG)

95 83 *rummages around for the buck and a quarter quarter-staff*

Now where's Friar Duck?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 11, 2015 12:05 PM (t1YFX)

How did I miss this conversation?

"Geesh, how jolly can you get?"

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at May 11, 2015 12:08 PM (nqiq9)

96 That's not rational argument. Hell, that's not argument at all. That's sheer and utter blind partisanship.

Pavlov would be proud? So would many cult leaders, everything must fit within their proscribed worldview no matter how illogical the rationalization is. See Climate Change.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 11, 2015 12:08 PM (t1YFX)

97 Algernon?
Posted by: Richard Gere at May 11, 2015 12:02 PM (EHCBH)

They said "trigger word", not "reload word".

Posted by: jwpaine at May 11, 2015 12:08 PM (0bXhD)

98 Ace, you are being misleading. there have always been criminal shoot outs with cops, but what we now have are cop assassinations.

Posted by: avi at May 11, 2015 12:08 PM (WYnEW)

99 (Posted by: alexthechick) "...We talk about the 24 hour rule and all the rest of it but we all, each and every one of us, hear a snippet of something and then slam our own Narrative on it. That's how the human mind operates. Learning to stop and *think* and separate out what you know vs. what you assume vs. having the patience to wait and see what happened is difficult...)

But Twitter only allows 140 characters.

I say this only as a commentary on our times, not an excuse.

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at May 11, 2015 12:08 PM (myGBe)

100 One thing that bugs me is the drumbeat of how uniquely dangerous being a cop is.

---

Because the danger is unique?

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 11, 2015 12:09 PM (VAsIq)

101 The picture thread was up for an hour and it got STOMPED like AtC chasing flying spiders.

That's because we churned thru the udderly ridiculous puns.

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 11, 2015 12:09 PM (WNPJe)

102 Besides, Algernon's too smart for that shit.

Posted by: jwpaine at May 11, 2015 12:09 PM (0bXhD)

103 One thing that bugs me is the drumbeat of how uniquely dangerous being a cop is. It's not. There were more fatal job-related injuries in the leisure and hospitality industry than law enforcement in 2013 for goodness' sake. Mining, crop production, construction, transportation, logging, even accommodation and food services had more fatal on the job injuries that year.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 11, 2015 12:03 PM (2Ojst)

there is a huge difference between accidental death and injury and intentional murder

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 12:09 PM (rDqRv)

104 The picture thread was up for an hour and it got STOMPED like AtC chasing flying spiders.

http://tinyurl.com/m3dtm4t

Posted by: wrg500 at May 11, 2015 12:09 PM (sgrzZ)

105 "31 You're dealing with a small numbers problem.

Somewhere between 20 and 60 cops are killed every year "in the commission of felonies" (using Drew's numbers.)

Given the number of cops (and the number of felonies) this is an incredibly small number, meaning random events could lead to large percentage increases.

Because every time a cop approaches a person with the perception that THE PERSON IS GOING TO TRY AND KILL HIM.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at May 11, 2015 12:09 PM (1W6Z5)

106 all three of my brothers are policemen.....every time there is a report of another officer killed...it hits home....they have all lost friends.....one as recently as this year......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 11, 2015 12:09 PM (0O7c5)

107 No Soona, they were chopped up, smashed, ran over, electrocuted, burned alive etc

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 11, 2015 12:10 PM (dULJN)

108 As we work our way through these issues at every level of society and government, it's important we deal in facts, not scare headlines and emotionally satisfying laying of blame.

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The left doesn't. Why should the right - if it is used to advance a narrative we wish to advance?

Just a question.

Posted by: SH at May 11, 2015 12:10 PM (gmeXX)

109 there is a huge difference between accidental death and injury and intentional murder
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 12:09 PM (rDqRv)

Dead's dead.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 11, 2015 12:11 PM (2Ojst)

110 Every time the JEF opens his mouth, a puppy dies.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2015 12:11 PM (FsuaD)

111 Remember when Ace said he has to start getting up before 10 am?

How's that working out?

Posted by: Garrett at May 11, 2015 12:12 PM (+ECKZ)

112 Also draws flies.

Posted by: OTB at May 11, 2015 12:12 PM (s91DN)

113 " they were chopped up, smashed, ran over, electrocuted, burned alive etc"

The gears of a combine are a Hell of a way to go.

Posted by: Frank Drebin at May 11, 2015 12:12 PM (LA7Cm)

114 How's that working out?

As expected

Posted by: wrg500 at May 11, 2015 12:12 PM (sgrzZ)

115 Remember when Ace said he has to start getting up before 10 am?

How's that working out?

That was Pacific Time.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 11, 2015 12:12 PM (0HooB)

116 OT: give credence to Hersch's conspiracy theory

My conspiracy theory is people near Langley just make shit up and see if they can get Hersch to print it.

Posted by: SpyFishStories at May 11, 2015 12:12 PM (DL2i+)

117 More deaths? Probably. More assaults on officers and dangerous conditions? Most definitely. If you believe otherwise EATADIK.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 11, 2015 12:13 PM (GGCsk)

118 Also draws flies.

And rats. Don't forget the rats.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 11, 2015 12:13 PM (0HooB)

119 "How's that working out? "

Hey now, maybe our dear Ewok King has been up since 6AM working out and writing his novel.

Posted by: Lauren at May 11, 2015 12:13 PM (MYCIw)

120 No Soona, they were chopped up, smashed, ran over, electrocuted, burned alive etc

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway

Ah. So the tractor didn't jump out of an alley and run him over; the mine didn't make a conscious decision to collapse; etc.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 11, 2015 12:13 PM (VAsIq)

121 One thing that bugs me is the drumbeat of how uniquely dangerous being a cop is. It's not. There were more fatal job-related injuries in the leisure and hospitality industry than law enforcement in 2013 for goodness' sake. Mining, crop production, construction, transportation, logging, even accommodation and food services had more fatal on the job injuries that year.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 11, 2015 12:03 PM (2Ojst)

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And there are accidental deaths for cops as well. Things like traffic deaths especially. The difference is cops face acciental death **AND** the small but still real chance of getting shot by someone every day.

Here's what happened last week in a small Idaho city.

This doesn't happen to food service workers too often.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/may/05/cda-police-officer-dies-shooting/

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at May 11, 2015 12:13 PM (0LHZx)

122 I find the use of the word 'inflammatory' inflammatory.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 11, 2015 12:13 PM (F2IAQ)

123 No Soona, they were chopped up, smashed, ran over, electrocuted, burned alive etc
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 11, 2015 12:10 PM (dULJN)

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You've made my point. They're ACCIDENTS. We're talking purposeful cop-snuffing here. There is a difference.

Posted by: Soona at May 11, 2015 12:13 PM (/HX7u)

124 there is a huge difference between accidental death and injury and intentional murder
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 12:09 PM (rDqRv)

Dead's dead.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 11, 2015 12:11 PM (2Ojst)

Yeah no. In this case and under the circumstances of this discussion, there is a huge difference

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 12:14 PM (rDqRv)

125 Posted by: avi at May 11, 2015 12:08 PM (WYnEW)

I wrote the post, not Ace.

And there have always been people who have gone out with the idea of killing a cop. It's not new and there's no reason to believe it's on the increase.

How exactly do you explain the almost historically few police murders just the year before? Shouldn't you give Obama and Holder credit for that if you're going to give the blame for things you don't like?

Or are we just going on our feels?

Posted by: DrewM. at May 11, 2015 12:14 PM (r5Qcm)

126 what we now have are cop assassinations

A. It was Drew, not Ace.

B. Prove it.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 11, 2015 12:14 PM (659DL)

127 "The gears of a combine are a Hell of a way to go."

Don't get yer bib overalls caught in a grain auger.

Posted by: Cleveland Boid at May 11, 2015 12:14 PM (xU2I7)

128 How many were shot?

I mean vests and rapid medical care account for what would have been lethal attacks in previous years.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 11, 2015 11:52 AM (F2IAQ)

Not only that, but how many were shot at, but the shooter missed? How many attempts, in other words?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 11, 2015 12:15 PM (GQ0V+)

129 106 all three of my brothers are policemen.....every time there is a report of another officer killed...it hits home....they have all lost friends.....one as recently as this year......
Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 11, 2015 12:09 PM (0O7c5)

Growing up i didn't care for the coppers, now i wouldn't say i "hated" them, just disliked them. Now, many of my childhood and high school buddies are cops and I think about the police differently now. As a matter of fact, a few years ago, at my old stamping grounds a pretty big bar fight broke out. A buddy cop of mine was doing security and got tangled up in the melee. Some macho drunk came up from behind and put his hands on him. Needless to say he was horizontal a few seconds later. Friends are friends no matter the line of work i guess.

Posted by: Arson Wells at May 11, 2015 12:15 PM (UnJ7w)

130 I have a nephew who is a CHIP and I've asked him directly about the perceived threats. Whether the actual death stats show it or not, the cops definitely perceive an enhanced threat these days. He patrols the southern LA area and he's been around the block a few times - not prone to exaggeration or hyperbole.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at May 11, 2015 12:15 PM (nqiq9)

131 Or are we just going on our feels?

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Again - the left does - why can't we.

Didn't you and Ace talk about adopting leftist tactics?

Posted by: SH at May 11, 2015 12:15 PM (gmeXX)

132 ou've made my point. They're ACCIDENTS. We're talking purposeful cop-snuffing here. There is a difference.
Posted by: Soona at May 11, 2015 12:13 PM (/HX7u)

exactly

And I don't see assholes tweeting when some garbage man gets accidentaly killed and cheering about it? Where did that person get the idea the the death of Police Officer was something to celebrate I wonder?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 12:15 PM (rDqRv)

133 there is a huge difference between accidental death and injury and intentional murder
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Going to have to disagree with you there on workplace accidents.

Posted by: The State Media post Fort Hood at May 11, 2015 12:16 PM (78TbK)

134 I find the use of the word 'inflammatory' inflammatory.

Posted by: Mike Hammer

Overuse of the word cheapens it.

Posted by: Hemmorhoids at May 11, 2015 12:16 PM (VAsIq)

135 Again - the left does - why can't we.

Because I take two showers a day. Tops.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 11, 2015 12:16 PM (659DL)

136 "Good news. ISIS threatens terrorist attack on America today at 2:00"

Is that EST?

Posted by: Penfold at May 11, 2015 12:16 PM (Fbt5B)

137 >>Hey now, maybe our dear Ewok King has been up since 6AM working out and writing his novel.

'50 Shades of Saffron' - by AceofSpades

Posted by: Garrett at May 11, 2015 12:17 PM (+ECKZ)

138 Fatal occupation ;Food and beverage stores| 46 - 1 (63) 11

63 is the homicide rate.

thee highest rate . so higher risk for ?

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:17 PM (nqBYe)

139 Or are we just going on our feels?
***
Feels move votes, 47 point plans don't.

It is unfortunate this is the way things are, but the people who don't go into an election cycle already knowing where they stand on the issues don't want to be educated on the issues. They want to know who is the good guy and who is the bad guy.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 11, 2015 12:17 PM (78TbK)

140 100 One thing that bugs me is the drumbeat of how uniquely dangerous being a cop is.

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Because the danger is unique?

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 11, 2015 12:09 PM (VAsIq)

Really?

Posted by: Every Military Member worldwide at May 11, 2015 12:17 PM (qh617)

141 Where did that person get the idea the the death of Police Officer was something to celebrate I wonder?

Probably from a community organizer somewhere

Posted by: wrg500 at May 11, 2015 12:17 PM (sgrzZ)

142 Heh. Rush has a solution to the Ghey Mafia that'll tie them up in knots: when you refuse to bake a cake for a ghey wedding, merely cite your respect for islam (or muzzie backlash).

Again, heh.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 11, 2015 12:18 PM (0HooB)

143 *reading
'50 Shades of Saffron' - by AceofSpades*

*fapfapfapfapfapfapfap*

Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 11, 2015 12:18 PM (/Ho8c)

144 Good news. ISIS threatens terrorist attack on America today at 2:00
___
Has Ms Gellar apologized yet?

Posted by: The State Media at May 11, 2015 12:18 PM (78TbK)

145 137 '50 Shades of Saffron' - by AceofSpades
Posted by: Garrett at May 11, 2015 12:17 PM (+ECKZ)

I'm just mad about Saffron,
and Saffron's mad about me . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs7xZKXwyR0

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 11, 2015 12:19 PM (St6BJ)

146 137 '50 Shades of Saffron' - by AceofSpades
Posted by: Garrett at May 11, 2015 12:17 PM (+ECKZ)

I'm just mad about Saffron,
and Saffron's mad about me . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs7xZKXwyR0

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 11, 2015 12:19 PM (St6BJ)

147 terrorist attack at 2 am or pm?
eastern - standard -mountain?

no ,let me be clear?

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:19 PM (nqBYe)

148 Posted by: SH at May 11, 2015 12:15 PM (gmeXX)

Making the left pay a price for their actions isn't the same as "making shit up."

It's also generally a bad idea to base an attack on something easily disprovable. It has nothing to do with ethics, it's just people won't take you seriously.

Posted by: DrewM. at May 11, 2015 12:19 PM (r5Qcm)

149 Because the danger is unique?

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 11, 2015 12:09 PM (VAsIq)

Really?

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We obviously minimize military engagements to avoid loss of military life.

We should adopt a similar mindset with police engagements.

Every encounter presents a chance that someone will be harmed - and not just the "criminal." So we should minimize encounters to those things that really require an encounter.

Posted by: SH at May 11, 2015 12:20 PM (gmeXX)

150 Perhaps the lowered rate from yesteryear is due to increased police vigilance because they feel increasingly threatened by TFG's tactic of underbus throws. The spike is because the increased vigilance is no longer enough.

Just speculation.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 11, 2015 12:20 PM (VAsIq)

151 # 138 was statistics taken from http://www.bls.gov/news.release/cfoi.t02.htm
for 2013

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:20 PM (nqBYe)

152 "Good news. ISIS threatens terrorist attack on America today at 2:00"

Is that EST?

EST? What is EST?

Uh oh. Call all cells and cancel Operation Simultaneous Scimitar.

Posted by: Achmed the Goat-Fucking Terrorist at May 11, 2015 12:21 PM (8ZskC)

153 "It's also generally a bad idea to base an attack on something easily disprovable. It has nothing to do with ethics, it's just people won't take you seriously."

Doesn't seem to be a problem for the left.

Posted by: Lauren at May 11, 2015 12:21 PM (MYCIw)

154 89 I think you might even see less Police Deaths as the year goes on, since many Cops, and rightfully so, are just gonna sit in their cars and let most things go. I mean why take a chance? And I am dead serious about that
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 12:06 PM (rDqRv)

===============

Uh, the I think 3 cops in NYC were shot to death while sitting in their cars.

Posted by: Bruce J. at May 11, 2015 12:21 PM (iQIUe)

155 - Chapter 1 -

It was a dark and turgid member...

Posted by: 50 Shades of Saffron at May 11, 2015 12:21 PM (+ECKZ)

156 "The gears of a combine are a Hell of a way to go."

Don't get yer bib overalls caught in a grain auger.
Posted by: Cleveland Boid
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Loose clothes are a very bad thing around a tractor PTO.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 11, 2015 12:21 PM (F2IAQ)

157 "Good news. ISIS threatens terrorist attack on America today at 2:00"

Hope it's as successful as their operation in Garland.

Posted by: jwpaine at May 11, 2015 12:22 PM (0bXhD)

158 Heh. Rush has a solution to the Ghey Mafia that'll tie them up in knots: when you refuse to bake a cake for a ghey wedding, merely cite your respect for islam (or muzzie backlash). Again, heh.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 11, 2015 12:18 PM (0HooB)

---------------------------------------

One doesn't even have to say they're muzzie, just say they're refusing service out of respect for the muzzie population.

Posted by: Soona at May 11, 2015 12:22 PM (/HX7u)

159 whether the rate has increased or not. Doesn't deny the issue that the Left their jackoff followers and the administration are Egging it on.

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:22 PM (nqBYe)

160 >>Even then you're dealing with fairly small numbers and what'd I'd categorize as "semi-random" events (meaning: Crazy will assert itself at some point, regardless of the SCOAMF, it's just a matter of when.)

I think you would actually have to do an analysis of each of the events to classify them into type to really know. And you would have to do it for multiple years...

Posted by: Lea at May 11, 2015 12:22 PM (lIU4e)

161 Making the left pay a price for their actions isn't the same as "making shit up."

It's also generally a bad idea to base an attack on something easily disprovable. It has nothing to do with ethics, it's just people won't take you seriously.

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Fair enough. I'm not actually encouraging it - more provoking a discussion. As ATC says, we are all selective in this - often times without meaning to. But we can always self-select statistics to back our claim or attack our opponent.

Posted by: SH at May 11, 2015 12:22 PM (gmeXX)

162
Drew this is a good example of a broader point. Logic and critical thinking are - obviously - in catastrophically short supply in our society (and world).

The first - very first - thing any rational intelligent person does when confronting some factoid or trend, etc., is to ask "hmm, so what's the long term average, are there good data, what are the factors at play?".

Basic logic and common sense. And very rare any more.

Unemployment rate down! OK. Let's look at the numbers. What part is played by part-time jobs? How do those numbers look compared to 1) the last few years 2) the year of the most recent recession 3) the long-term average of all data 4) etc.

"Climate change". Uh huh. The very concept falls apart when these basic questions are asked. Which they are, instantly, by critical thinkers. But the lack of serious critical thinking in the society is a huge reason we are where we are.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2015 12:22 PM (afQnV)

163 To me this is Apples and Oranges comparison.

When you have police deaths directly attributed to political rhetoric that is basically telling the public that cops are killing black people because of racism, that's much different than something like an ebb and flow in the crime statistics.

When Bush was President, he wasn't trying to gin up a voter base at the expense of a different group being murdered. Not really a fair comparison between the two eras.

Posted by: McAdams at May 11, 2015 12:22 PM (DJolZ)

164 2:00 PM Eastern.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 11, 2015 12:22 PM (EHCBH)

165 "The gears of a combine are a Hell of a way to go."

Don't get yer bib overalls caught in a grain auger.
Posted by: Cleveland Boid
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Loose clothes are a very bad thing around a tractor PTO.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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If you have a ponytail, leaning over a lathe is a bad idea.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 11, 2015 12:23 PM (F2IAQ)

166 New airborne brigand

http://tinyurl.com/7zwqpmc

Posted by: wrg500 at May 11, 2015 12:23 PM (sgrzZ)

167 Because the danger is unique?

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 11, 2015 12:09 PM (VAsIq)

Really?

Posted by: Every Military Member worldwide

This is kinda my point--a job where you go out looking for dangerous people is different from a job where dangerous things happen.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 11, 2015 12:23 PM (VAsIq)

168 Today you will feel the power of my Red Ryder!

Posted by: Achmed Muhammad at May 11, 2015 12:23 PM (gUdJu)

169 ty, Boss Moss.

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:23 PM (nqBYe)

170 That article about the ISIS attack at 2pm says cyber attack.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 11, 2015 12:23 PM (W5DcG)

171 Obama DOJ Invokes Mike Brown, Freddie Gray To Slam Americas Police For Being Racist At U.N. Human Rights Council Meeting

The Obama regime is among friends with the America-bashers at the UN.

Weasel Zippers

Yeah this Admin is just great for Law Enforcement Officers?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 12:23 PM (rDqRv)

172 He changes word to thrust the post, and still insists he sees the ghost.

Posted by: Bill Denbrough at May 11, 2015 12:24 PM (vgIRn)

173 That article about the ISIS attack at 2pm says cyber attack.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 11, 2015 12:23 PM (W5DcG)

so are they going to ask .'what we're wearing?'

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:24 PM (nqBYe)

174 We obviously minimize military engagements to avoid loss of military life. We should adopt a similar mindset with police engagements. Every encounter presents a chance that someone will be harmed - and not just the "criminal." So we should minimize encounters to those things that really require an encounter.
Posted by: SH at May 11, 2015 12:20 PM (gmeXX)

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Agree. Every perp stronghold should have an artillery prep first.

Posted by: Soona at May 11, 2015 12:24 PM (/HX7u)

175 Maybe I should pull the plug on all the computery stuff around 2:00?

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 11, 2015 12:25 PM (EHCBH)

176 The tragic deaths of Freddie Gray in Baltimore, Michael Brown in Missouri, Eric Garner in New York, Tamir Rice in Ohio and Walter Scott in South Carolina have challenged us to do better and to work harder for progress, he said.

I hate these fuckers--Yeah right thier words don't matter ha Drew?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 12:25 PM (rDqRv)

177 I am not arguing accidental over intentional. My point was along the line of what is the more dangerous profession. People always want to make the point about how dangerous being a cop is, statistically it's not. I knew a cop that was killed driving home for lunch in a traffic accident that was his fault. He was a bailiff at the court at the time.

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 11, 2015 12:25 PM (dULJN)

178 That article about the ISIS attack at 2pm says cyber attack.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 11, 2015 12:23 PM (W5DcG)

so are they going to ask .'what we're wearing?'

Annoying pop-ups

Posted by: Achmed the Goat-Fucking Terrorist at May 11, 2015 12:25 PM (8ZskC)

179 Good point by AtC at 23.

Posted by: Null at May 11, 2015 12:26 PM (j8Jx5)

180 170
That article about the ISIS attack at 2pm says cyber attack.

Put your pants on people. Or not.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2015 12:26 PM (FsuaD)

181 Nevergiveup cray eh?
As if Iran , the ME in general or countries like China, Russia etc .
know one damn thing about civil rights.

It's all political loss of american power all the way up and down .

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:26 PM (nqBYe)

182 A painting of oxen on this site jumped 100% today.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 11, 2015 12:27 PM (PtTYB)

183 So, ISIS is going to spam us with "We keel you!!111!!!!eleventy!!!11!!!!"

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2015 12:27 PM (FsuaD)

184 You know who WE need controlling Police?

the UN made up of the caring and concerned cream of civil rights states.

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:27 PM (nqBYe)

185 That article about the ISIS attack at 2pm says cyber attack.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 11, 2015 12:23 PM (W5DcG)

Every web site redirects to porn...... Goat porn.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 11, 2015 12:27 PM (sgrzZ)

186 Every encounter presents a chance that someone will be harmed - and not just the "criminal." So we should minimize encounters to those things that really require an encounter.

Posted by: SH

Domestic Abuse call? Eh, not worth the risk. The dude's clearly violent--wouldn't want to risk something bad happening.

Posted by: New Police Thinking at May 11, 2015 12:27 PM (VAsIq)

187 I have a pen, and a phone. If Congress will not grant the authority, I will effect Federal control of the police by other means.

Posted by: Barky at May 11, 2015 12:27 PM (F2IAQ)

188 Posted by: McAdams at May 11, 2015 12:22 PM (DJolZ)

What proof do you have that they are "directly attributed to political rhetoric"?

This is the point.

People are so sure Obama and his pal's rhetoric is leading to police deaths you are ignoring that the number of police deaths aren't increasing.

If Obama was ginning up all these cop deaths you'd have the usual number of them PLUS the extra ones from the rhetoric.

There's simply no proof of this.

Posted by: DrewM. at May 11, 2015 12:27 PM (r5Qcm)

189 I am not arguing accidental over intentional. My point was along the line of what is the more dangerous profession. People always want to make the point about how dangerous being a cop is, statistically it's not. I knew a cop that was killed driving home for lunch in a traffic accident that was his fault. He was a bailiff at the court at the time.

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 11, 2015 12:25 PM (dULJN)

Most of us are not making that argument. All we are saying is that this ADMIN and other left wing ones in the Cities are inflaming hatred towards the Police and justifying violence against them especially by those already so disposed to violence against the Police and they irresponsible doing that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 12:27 PM (rDqRv)

190 184 You know who WE need controlling Police?

Sting?

Posted by: wrg500 at May 11, 2015 12:28 PM (sgrzZ)

191
170 That article about the ISIS attack at 2pm says cyber attack.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 11, 2015 12:23 PM (W5DcG)

What are they gonna do? Release Hillary's e-mails?

Posted by: buzzion at May 11, 2015 12:28 PM (zt+N6)

192 Why wd they announce the time of the attack? LOL

Posted by: Bruce J. at May 11, 2015 12:28 PM (iQIUe)

193 Loose clothes are a very bad thing around a tractor PTO.

Co-ed nekkid farming!

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 11, 2015 12:29 PM (WNPJe)

194 Nude goat fuckers.

Posted by: Kenway at May 11, 2015 12:29 PM (gUdJu)

195 I am not arguing accidental over intentional. My point was along the line of what is the more dangerous profession. People always want to make the point about how dangerous being a cop is, statistically it's not. I knew a cop that was killed driving home for lunch in a traffic accident that was his fault. He was a bailiff at the court at the time.
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 11, 2015 12:25 PM (dULJN)

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Well. Then we can make the same argument about the poor schmuck killed when driving home from his job at Carls Jr.

Posted by: Soona at May 11, 2015 12:29 PM (/HX7u)

196 If Obama was ginning up all these cop deaths you'd have the usual number of them PLUS the extra ones from the rhetoric.

There's simply no proof of this.
Posted by: DrewM. at May 11, 2015 12:27 PM (r5Qcm)

that there is an increase or Proof They aren't Trying to gin up violence between agitators and police?

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:29 PM (nqBYe)

197 Sting?

Posted by: wrg500

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Plus infinity.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 11, 2015 12:29 PM (VAsIq)

198 People are so sure Obama and his pal's rhetoric is leading to police deaths you are ignoring that the number of police deaths aren't increasing.

If Obama was ginning up all these cop deaths you'd have the usual number of them PLUS the extra ones from the rhetoric.

There's simply no proof of this.
Posted by: DrewM. at May 11, 2015 12:27 PM (r5Qcm)

Sorry that bullshit and assuming facts not in evidence. They are directly responsible for the death of those 2 Officer in NYC months ago and that is evidence enough for me. And one you can't seem to counter?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 12:29 PM (rDqRv)

199 It's also generally a bad idea to base an attack on something easily disprovable
***
Women are paid 78 cents...

1/4 are raped in college...

X was the warmest day/month/year ever...

Hands up don't shoot...

etc, etc etc....

I'm not arguing the morality of the tactic, but the effectiveness is not in question, at least when the left does it...

Posted by: 18-1 at May 11, 2015 12:29 PM (78TbK)

200
That article about the ISIS attack at 2pm says cyber attack.

You will lose ALL ACCESS to Hungarian midget pron!!

Hahahaaha...take that goat haters!

Posted by: ISIS at May 11, 2015 12:29 PM (BrQrN)

201 191

170 That article about the ISIS attack at 2pm says cyber attack.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 11, 2015 12:23 PM (W5DcG)

What are they gonna do? Release Hillary's e-mails?

Obama's college transcripts? Pics of him at Man Country?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 11, 2015 12:30 PM (FsuaD)

202 I'd also like to see how many of those shootings were random executions
vs shootings in the middle of another crime/ fleeing the scene of a
crime.

That does seem important.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 11, 2015 12:30 PM (ZKzrr)

203 That gum you like is going to come back in style!

Posted by: Creepy Midget in the Red Room at May 11, 2015 12:31 PM (UnJ7w)

204 well i know my computer is shit than.

perhaps just not turning it on for a few hours today?

of course the grandkid and son will weep hysterically over this.

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:31 PM (nqBYe)

205 I'm not arguing the morality of the tactic, but the effectiveness is not in question, at least when the left does it...

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True. As the old adage goes - if you are explaining you are losing.

Let Obama and his supporters explain it away.

Posted by: SH at May 11, 2015 12:31 PM (gmeXX)

206 My point was along the line of what is the more dangerous profession.

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My point is "accidental deaths" can be avoided by taking precautions (usually). Guy sucked into a combine? Should have made sure it was turned off. Getting shot from behind by a drug dealer on a routine patrol? It's a little different, IMO.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 11, 2015 12:32 PM (VAsIq)

207
Critical thinking and stats are one thing.

The "unprecedented" race-baiting from the commanding heights of the federal govt. and degradation of the office of the presidency ARE among the worst elements of the national disaster of the last few years.

NGU, I'll force myself to go look, but I'll have to check my blood temperature to see when it reaches the boiling point - after decades of battling the slanders and evil moral equivalence lies of the world during the Cold War, we know have our own govt. debasing itself before the world's thugs at a UN body?

Sickening - in the routine, everyday sense we now have.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2015 12:32 PM (afQnV)

208 the UN made up of the caring and concerned cream of civil rights states.
Posted by: willow
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I'm not sure what you are implying...., Cuba is now a close ally. Human rights abuses no longer exist there.

Posted by: Barky at May 11, 2015 12:32 PM (F2IAQ)

209 If Obama was ginning up all these cop deaths you'd have the usual number of them PLUS the extra ones from the rhetoric.
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You need better numbers.

Cops killed while undercover or engaging in an attempt to stop and already violent criminal are not apropos to this number.

If you want apples to apples you have to figure out how many cops were assassinated because they are cops (and not for something personal) per year.

Personally I can't recall any before 2014 for years, but I have no idea what the stats are on that.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 11, 2015 12:32 PM (78TbK)

210 convenience stores look to be the greater danger .

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:33 PM (nqBYe)

211 "China launches 'mystery object' into space."
What could possibly go wrong?
Reagan wouldn't have put up with this shit. Hell, Jimmah Carter probably would have gotten off his ass.
"My friendsh, we have nothing to fear from a Barack Obama presidency."
-Juan McCain

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 11, 2015 12:33 PM (5buP8)

212 NGU, I'll force myself to go look, but I'll have to check my blood temperature to see when it reaches the boiling point - after decades of battling the slanders and evil moral equivalence lies of the world during the Cold War, we know have our own govt. debasing itself before the world's thugs at a UN body?

Sickening - in the routine, everyday sense we now have.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2015 12:32 PM (afQnV)

Don't. Save yourself a trip and a few blood pressure points and just take my word for it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 12:33 PM (rDqRv)

213 Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 12:29 PM (rDqRv)

I guess you live in a world where that was the first time someone intentionally targeted cops because of news coverage of things other cops did.

I get it, you're Fox Mulder. You WANT to Believe.

Posted by: DrewM. at May 11, 2015 12:33 PM (r5Qcm)

214 That article about the ISIS attack at 2pm says cyber attack
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HAHA we have taken down your AOL! You infidel crusaders will never recover!

Posted by: ISIS at May 11, 2015 12:34 PM (78TbK)

215 "China launches 'mystery object' into space."
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Nope, no idea where the email server is congress. Totes being honest here.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 11, 2015 12:35 PM (78TbK)

216 You WANT to Believe.

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Who bears the burden of proof here?

Posted by: SH at May 11, 2015 12:35 PM (gmeXX)

217 Perhaps The Polar Vortex is responsible for keeping these numbers down in the First Quarter?

Posted by: Garrett at May 11, 2015 12:35 PM (+ECKZ)

218 Bill Whittle did a commentray video on GasLighting

I like this terminology and believe the administration has been gaslighting half the country , police etc for years.

I cannot imagine accusing , harrassing half the country was for the Greater Good.
and am glad to see no one is buying in and responding accept verbally.

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:35 PM (nqBYe)

219 The 2pm attack is a feint. They're actually stealing one of the 31 flavors from a Baskin Robbins at 1pm. Rumor has it Orange Sherbet is the target.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 11, 2015 12:36 PM (PtTYB)

220 GeoCities is now ours!

Posted by: ISIS at May 11, 2015 12:36 PM (87y4e)

221
TEN MOST DANGEROUS PLACES IN THE WORLD IN TERMS OF MURDER

1 Honduras
2 Venezuela
3 US Virgin Islands
4 Belize
5 Jamaica
6 El Salvador
7 Anguilla
8 Guatemala
9 Swaziland
10 Columbia

http://goo.gl/Ccf6jZ

Posted by: Bruce J. at May 11, 2015 12:36 PM (iQIUe)

222 >>215 "China launches 'mystery object' into space."

Be cooler if it was a Panda.

Posted by: Garrett at May 11, 2015 12:36 PM (+ECKZ)

223 Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:33 PM (nqBYe)

Cab drivers, fishermen, lumberjacks, etc.

And the vast majority of them don't make as much as cops or have the job security.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 11, 2015 12:36 PM (uJS35)

224 guess you live in a world where that was the first time someone intentionally targeted cops because of news coverage of things other cops did.

I get it, you're Fox Mulder. You WANT to Believe.
Posted by: DrewM. at May 11, 2015 12:33 PM (r5Qcm)

THIS one was directly linked by his own Social Media posts and tweets, so yeah, THIS one was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Or can you specifically point out anther time a Police Officer Execution can be attirbuted DIRECTLY the words and atmosphere created by those in Power and that the Officers executions happened in DIRECT proximitry to them? Not just a general rumble in the jungle?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 12:37 PM (rDqRv)

225 Hey aren't most of our DREAMERS from that list of countries?

TEN MOST DANGEROUS PLACES IN THE WORLD IN TERMS OF MURDER

Posted by: 18-1 at May 11, 2015 12:37 PM (78TbK)

226
Best guess I can find... 1,220,000 police in the US...

At 56 deaths.... that is 4.6666 deaths per 100K...

The US National Murder rate is.... drumroll please?????

4.7 per 100,000....

basically the same damn rate...

So yeah... some crises...

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 11, 2015 12:37 PM (qh617)

227
I met a RN decades ago who had worked in the ER in the US Virgin Islands. She said it was all stabbings all night long. Very violent and it has not improved.

Posted by: Bruce J. at May 11, 2015 12:37 PM (iQIUe)

228 Seems to me one should be trying to break down the cop killings into two main categories, one being where the cops get in an interaction with a violent felon whose main motivation for shooting is to get away, and the other being where the perp is actively gunning for cops.

In the first case, the perp would really rather that the cops not even know of his existence, so that he can carry on robbing banks unhindered. In the second case, the perp either stalks and shoots from ambush, or provokes a confrontation, perhaps in hope of suicide-by-cop.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 11, 2015 12:38 PM (GQ0V+)

229 CBD, yes, cabbies definately but i was surprised at the convenience food and beverage statistic.

ok i wasn't i have stopped at a few and wondered if i would make it out alive.

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:38 PM (nqBYe)

230 Seems to me one should be trying to break down the cop killings into two
main categories, one being where the cops get in an interaction with a
violent felon whose main motivation for shooting is to get away, and the
other being where the perp is actively gunning for cops.

Apparently it's more fun to strawman about lumberjacks.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 11, 2015 12:39 PM (ZKzrr)

231 We have routed all LYCOS traffic to ISIS.net. MUHAHAHAHA

Posted by: ISIS at May 11, 2015 12:39 PM (78TbK)

232 >>>TEN MOST DANGEROUS PLACES IN THE WORLD IN TERMS OF MURDER

This wouldn't happen if the Feds would revoke Pam Gellers' passport.

Posted by: American Media/Left at May 11, 2015 12:39 PM (PtTYB)

233 Not to mention the Cop shot in Ferguson? That also occured DIRECTLY doe the false allegations and the rable rousing of Fredo Holder and the MSM.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 12:39 PM (rDqRv)

234 anyway i was only looking at Murder in industry not accidents
but yeah

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:40 PM (nqBYe)

235 "If Obama was ginning up all these cop deaths you'd have the usual number of them PLUS the extra ones from the rhetoric. "

The stats are may just mirror whether or not Obama/Holder have been SUCCESSFUL thus far on inciting people to kill more cops. Their rhetoric and actions are out there for people to judge, and because the numbers aren't up yet doesn't mean there won't be a spike in the near future.

They are without question planting the seeds of discontent and violence, but sometimes it takes seeds a while to germinate and sprout even in the most fertile soil.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at May 11, 2015 12:40 PM (nqiq9)

236 We have routed all LYCOS traffic to ISIS.net. MUHAHAHAHA

Touch the porn sites and it war buddy.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 11, 2015 12:40 PM (sgrzZ)

237 Doing the Chik-fil-A H8 lunch in Little Rock!

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 11, 2015 12:40 PM (WNPJe)

238 It's more dangerous working at a 7-11 in Compton than it is to be a deputy in Mayberry!

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 11, 2015 12:40 PM (VAsIq)

239 Turd, like I said we are not arguing, just talking about 2 diff things.

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 11, 2015 12:40 PM (dULJN)

240 I get it, you're Fox Mulder. You WANT to Believe.

Posted by: DrewM. at May 11, 2015 12:33 PM (r5Qcm)

DrewM, you are being dickish here.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 11, 2015 12:40 PM (GQ0V+)

241 Numbers do NOT tell the whole story.

A plane crash that kills 200 due to a mechanical failure is hugely different than a plane that crashes due to a terrrorist bomb that "Only" kills 100. But you Drew would say the "Stats" the "Numbers" don't support that terrorism causes more deaths becuase the "Numbers" are down?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 12:42 PM (rDqRv)

242 i really don't understand why there IS an argument.

Is it Typical of a President to incite violence and fear against fellow citizens ?

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:42 PM (nqBYe)

243 So is it resolved that there is at this point not enough data to prove the initial argument by Drew?

Posted by: 18-1 at May 11, 2015 12:42 PM (78TbK)

244 Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 11, 2015 12:39 PM (ZKzrr)

You are lucky I'm on my phone or we would all be singing the lumberjack song......

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 11, 2015 12:42 PM (uJS35)

245 Its really too bad Fredo has no real world experience at, well, anything. If he did, he might stumble on a correct bit of presidenting once in awhile. I like my Fredo fresh and stupid and venal.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 11, 2015 12:43 PM (oDCMR)

246 What's a Fox Mulder anyway?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 12:43 PM (rDqRv)

247 Is it Typical of a President to incite violence and fear against fellow citizens ?
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Well, some presidents.

Posted by: Hugo Chavez at May 11, 2015 12:43 PM (78TbK)

248 The bad old days are back
http://tinyurl.com/lqzmvwo

What's his name, the black cop killer the left keeps trying to get out of prison?

Posted by: Cleveland Boid at May 11, 2015 12:43 PM (xU2I7)

249 242 i really don't understand why there IS an argument.

Is it Typical of a President to incite violence and fear against fellow citizens ?

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:42 PM (nqBYe)

Well.... yeah...

Posted by: Every Indian... and Southerners in 1860 at May 11, 2015 12:43 PM (qh617)

250 You know what dies and gets mangled beyond recognition all the time ? Statistics.

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 11, 2015 12:43 PM (dULJN)

251 i really don't understand why there IS an argument.

Is it Typical of a President to incite violence and fear against fellow citizens ?
Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:42 PM (nqBYe)

Bingo!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 12:44 PM (rDqRv)

252 if Police aren't being murdered more the last couple of years i would like to think it's because the people being used by the left are while useful they are not totally stupid for the most part.

maybe there is a rainbow in this argument.

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:44 PM (nqBYe)

253 You know what dies and gets mangled beyond recognition all the time ? Statistics.
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Also...infidel websites. Say goodbye to your dancing hamsters crusader swine!

Posted by: ISIS at May 11, 2015 12:44 PM (78TbK)

254 250 You know what dies and gets mangled beyond recognition all the time ? Statistics.

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 11, 2015 12:43 PM (dULJN)

sorry... but even though numbers can be manipulated... arguing WITHOUT them just leads to how the Left works...

ie... making decisions by how you 'feel'....

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 11, 2015 12:46 PM (qh617)

255 Is it Typical of a President to incite violence and fear against fellow citizens ?

Posted by: willow

But clearly President Obama's words have zero effect on the actions of people who hang on his every word.

Posted by: DewM! at May 11, 2015 12:46 PM (VAsIq)

256 if Police aren't being murdered more the last couple of years i would
like to think it's because the people being used by the left are while
useful they are not totally stupid for the most part.
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Also, ever notice how for all the claims of the end of the world coming from Global Warmening that no one on the left seems to actually change their lifestyle?

Posted by: 18-1 at May 11, 2015 12:46 PM (78TbK)

257
I cant believe they allowed the Poison Penguin (as she is known by the survivors of murder victims) testify:

http://goo.gl/v9J0fK

"She said she could hear in his voice that he regretted his role in the 2013 attacks, which left three people dead and more than 250 wounded."

Yet, he rolled his eyes and smirked when victims testified...

Posted by: Bruce J. at May 11, 2015 12:46 PM (iQIUe)

258 "Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.""

- Mark Twain

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at May 11, 2015 12:46 PM (nqiq9)

259 nevergiveup, i should have really paid attention to politics before the last decace. but i had never encountered people so angry right or left than i have the last years .
and never believed a President would do such a thing.

i was very naive .

but not rhetrorical question . i am srs.

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:47 PM (nqBYe)

260 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 11, 2015 12:40 PM (GQ0V+)

There's really no other way to respond to people who cite one specific instance as proof of some overreaching narrative when all the other evidence indicates what they claim is on the upswing actually isn't.

Posted by: DrewM. at May 11, 2015 12:47 PM (r5Qcm)

261 You are getting what you wanted Drew, It's burning. Enjoy the fruits of your labors.

Posted by: DrewM still sucks at May 11, 2015 12:47 PM (EgbCN)

262 Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:42 PM (nqBYe)

So how much credit do you give Obama and Holder for the record low deaths in 2013?

Or does this wrench only turn one way?

Posted by: DrewM. at May 11, 2015 12:49 PM (r5Qcm)

263 There's really no other way to respond to people who cite one specific instance as proof of some overreaching narrative when all the other evidence indicates what they claim is on the upswing actually isn't.

Posted by: DrewM. at May 11, 2015 12:47 PM (r5Qcm)

Again you are mangling Statistic without any evidence also mangling what many of us are saying, but hey that's cool. Each to his own.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 12:49 PM (rDqRv)

264 i guess i should have added in my lifetime.

lol

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:49 PM (nqBYe)

265
260 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 11, 2015 12:40 PM (GQ0V+) There's really no other way to respond to people who cite one specific instance as proof of some overreaching narrative when all the other evidence indicates what they claim is on the upswing actually isn't.
Posted by: DrewM. at May 11, 2015 12:47 PM (r5Qcm)

Nevergiveup never said that. You're sticking words into his mouth.

Posted by: buzzion at May 11, 2015 12:51 PM (zt+N6)

266 H, it's actually a defense of the Obama administration from it's fake conservative enabler... Yes Drew, Obama, Holder and Sharpton, the guys you want to be in power have made it tougher and more dangerous on cops so take your BS statistics and shove them up your ass so they can keep company with your head.

Posted by: DrewM still sucks at May 11, 2015 12:52 PM (EgbCN)

267 So how much credit do you give Obama and Holder for the record low deaths in 2013?

Or does this wrench only turn one way?

I would call it a one off. You have consistent numbers over an extended period of time. A sudden drop in one years data doesn't make a trend.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 11, 2015 12:52 PM (sgrzZ)

268 So how much credit do you give Obama and Holder for the record low deaths in 2013?

Or does this wrench only turn one way?
Posted by: DrewM. at May 11, 2015 12:49 PM (r5Qcm)

Again that's a straw man argument. The low crime rate in NYC when De'Blasio came into Office was due to the policies of the 2 former Mayors, but the subsequent low crime rates in his first few years is due to DeBlasio? Low Death rates can and often are due to a whole host of factors, but you just choice to cherry pick numbers without any detailed examination of where those numbers came from how they were formulated?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 11, 2015 12:52 PM (rDqRv)

269 Drew no idea, But those killings of police by those inciting fear and hatred by our Leadership shouldn't be counted as too little to care .

and called what it is as evil.

look it is just like their rhetoric causing fear in populations

they are gonna put you in chains !

Does this not have influence on the peoples they are trying to influence and agitate?

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:52 PM (nqBYe)

270 Lets look at the number if murders committed by illegal immigrants, shall we?

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at May 11, 2015 12:53 PM (1W6Z5)

271 also i'm not trying to fight at all.
i'm trying to suss out WHY there is an argument to what end?

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:53 PM (nqBYe)

272 So how much credit do you give Obama and Holder for the record low deaths in 2013?

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I credit police chiefs for changing procedures for their departments--making them go out in pairs instead of singly, increased presence on the streets--in direct answer to the increasingly hostile tone the Chief Executive and his lackeys have taken in recent years.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 11, 2015 12:53 PM (VAsIq)

273 who is listened to daily more than THIS administration and their media helpers?

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:53 PM (nqBYe)

274 remember many believe this guy is the best thing since beer, or chocolate became available to His followers..

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:54 PM (nqBYe)

275 Heres your body cam. Wear it in good health and behavior. If you want a cop to wear one without having been convicted of a crime and subject to sentencing provision (probation or parole for example), then don't be surprised when he comes out smelling like a rose and your video exposes you as a liar, cheat and scoundrel.

Posted by: DM at May 11, 2015 12:57 PM (j/tOh)

276
What are they gonna do? Release Hillary's e-mails?

Posted by: buzzion at May 11, 2015 12:28 PM (zt+N6)

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Shut your whore mouth!

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 11, 2015 12:57 PM (HSmrB)

277 Chocolate Willow ? racist

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 11, 2015 12:57 PM (dULJN)

278 There's really no other way to respond to people who
cite one specific instance as proof of some overreaching narrative when
all the other evidence indicates what they claim is on the upswing
actually isn't.

Posted by: DrewM. at May 11, 2015 12:47 PM (r5Qcm)

You know, I'm inclined to agree with you that the numbers quoted don't seem to support an "upswing" in murders of cops. The real issue is there are any planned assassinations of cops at all, especially instances like the one quoted by NGU, which was explicitly done as revenge for the death of the thug Garner. Not to mention that the race-baiting industry, including Obama, Holder, and the cronies seem to be down with that.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 11, 2015 12:57 PM (GQ0V+)

279 Willow, dark beer ? racicst

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 11, 2015 12:58 PM (dULJN)

280 record low deaths?

when did that start are we speaking of police or in general populations?

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:59 PM (nqBYe)

281 uh oh is there another post up?

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 01:00 PM (nqBYe)

282 *Yawn* Wake me when political assassinations are statistically significant. At least ten in a year.

Posted by: DewM! at May 11, 2015 01:00 PM (VAsIq)

283 nevermind.

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 01:01 PM (nqBYe)

284 >>>62
My prediction: Unless all six of those Baltimore cops get the needle, there will be outraged riots.

Posted by: jwpaine at May 11, 2015 11:59 AM (0bXhD)<<<
We'll even give them a 6-for-One special! But only if they get the same "BitchesGotz2Roll" tattoo.

Posted by: NeedlesRUs at May 11, 2015 01:01 PM (sCHw2)

285 Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 12:53 PM (nqBYe)

I posted it because I saw people running with the "89% increase in cop killings! My God look what Obama did" story.

That is indisputably wrong.

I really just wanted to do what little I could to stop that bit of BS from becoming something "everyone" knew.

Posted by: DrewM. at May 11, 2015 01:03 PM (r5Qcm)

286 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 11, 2015 12:57 PM (GQ0V+)

This guy ambushed cops because he's a survivalist who wanted to start a revolution.

http://tinyurl.com/nrb3wz8

Should we blame someone like Palin for this? I'd say, no.

"Frein, a survivalist marksman, was arrested on Oct. 30 near an abandoned airplane hangar in the Pocono Mountains after 48 days on the run. He characterized the Sept. 12 killing of Cpl. Byron Dickson as an "assassination" and told state police he wanted to "wake people up," according to court papers.

"Our nation is far from what it was and what it should be," Frein's letter begins. "There is so much wrong and on so many levels only passing through the crucible of another revolution can get us back the liberties we once had. I do not pretend to know what that revolution will look like or even if it would be successful.""

Posted by: DrewM. at May 11, 2015 01:08 PM (r5Qcm)

287 did Palin say we should have a revolution?

look , so a single person wants to start shit because..__?

or a President actually using His position to scare people, using agencies to scare people and rhetoric to gin up fear -outrage-

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 01:13 PM (nqBYe)

288 anyway drew i get the misinformation thing.

not helpful if erroneous
and i'm grateful we don't have a million american loose cannons wanting to go after those that offend them because they are being TOLD by Leadership they should be offended.

but yeah i get the stats used perhaps shouldn't unless verified.

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 01:15 PM (nqBYe)

289 Should we blame someone like Palin for this? I'd say, no.

Wow, there's a giant field of burning strawmen in Drew's arguments.

Is Palin actually trying to start this kind of shit? Did she send representatives to this guy's family in sympathy? Did she or her representatives do ANY of the shit that your apparent buddy Obama has done with every one of these instances of ginning up outrage against the police?

No? Then maybe you don't have a valid point.

Posted by: GMan at May 11, 2015 01:16 PM (sxq57)

290 anyway have a great day, and kissy face because i'm just not wanting a fight , just wanting hugs.

so platonic hug. and kissy face.

Posted by: willow at May 11, 2015 01:16 PM (nqBYe)

291 285 I posted it because I saw people running with the "89% increase in cop killings! My God look what Obama did" story.

That is indisputably wrong.

I really just wanted to do what little I could to stop that bit of BS from becoming something "everyone" knew.
Posted by: DrewM. at May 11, 2015 01:03 PM
(r5Qcm)

Good for you for running defense for Obama again, I wouldn't put it past a little attention whore like you to tell the families of these men that their murders are statistically insignificant.
http://tinyurl.com/obe5q7n
http://tinyurl.com/m4wm8xm

Posted by: DrewM still sucks at May 11, 2015 01:27 PM (EgbCN)

292 so platonic hug. and kissy face.

Dang!

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 11, 2015 01:29 PM (WNPJe)

293 Drew

You cannot measure the full effects of something until it is done.

You also have to consider frequency and time when measuring effect.

It might be a little like the stock market term, there's been an uptick if we continue at this pace...in hindsight Obama might wish he had been more prudent.

Posted by: River Guide at May 11, 2015 01:53 PM (RJMhd)

294 This guy ubama wants to destroy America.

Posted by: Eromero at May 11, 2015 02:08 PM (go5uR)

295 "Given that we are nearly half way through the year "

That's a really bad assumption that you are asking people to accept..

We are only four months in, one of those months being the shortest of the year-- and you are asking people to just round up to a half year essentially dropping two months of data . Given that there are only twelve months in a year you are asking your audience to drop about 15% of potential data and assume zero for two months of data.

Also back to frequency winter months are usually less active for crime, and protests-

Your "given" is pretty forgiving here.

Posted by: River Guide at May 11, 2015 02:14 PM (RJMhd)

296 "Whoa. An 89% increase? Obama and Holder have a lot of cop blood on their hands!

Well, no."

Well......

Lets not overlook the fact that some cops were assassinated specifically because of of the Democrat party narrative and there were other ideologically motivated assassination attempts.

That doesn't mean that every cop murdered is the fault of Obama and the Democrat party egging it on but it also doesn't mean they should skate on the assassinations carried out by their activists.

Ace of Spade been getting weird. Ripping the GOP more than usual and defending Democrat's SJW cop killing.

Posted by: wodun at May 11, 2015 04:08 PM (DD0s8)

297 Regarding the most dangersous jobs, police officers may not make the top ten in deaths, but if you add officrrs shot (either wounded or saved by vest) shot at and missed, assaulted, etc, I would say there arent many more dangerous jobs, considering in each case, someone tries to intentionally harm the officer, as opposed to a workplace accident.

Posted by: elliot at May 11, 2015 06:14 PM (labbd)

298 There is a death penalty in Mississippi, my home state. Sad story anytime I read of a policeman or woman being killed. A young black man killed....guess Le Facial Mole does not consider that he could be his son. From the WH: crickets.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen at May 11, 2015 06:51 PM (FCPu0)

299 Part of the decline a few years ago might be attributable to a program called 'Below 100' whose goal was to try to get officer deaths (accidental and felonious) below 100 for the year.

Been an officer for almost 15 years now. If my nieces/nephews came up to me and asked what it took to be an officer, I'd tell them to be firemen instead.

Posted by: Xenophon at May 11, 2015 07:57 PM (52PHA)

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