VE Day, May 8 1945

70 years ago today the Allies accepted the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany.


Some photos here
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Yes. We do.

Posted by: Dave In Texas at 11:34 AM




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1
G-d bless all those wonderful GI's. And special thanks to the 11th Armored Division for liberating my family.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2015 11:35 AM (St6BJ)

2 It was twenty years ago today
Sgt. Pepper taught the band to play
They've been going in and out of style
But they're guaranteed to raise a smile
So may I introduce to you
The act you've known for all these years
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

Posted by: Billy Shears at May 08, 2015 11:37 AM (e8kgV)

3 Shouldn't read the post first.

Posted by: Anonymous Scandi Hobo who doesn't want to be turned into Jerky at May 08, 2015 11:37 AM (1z7WT)

4 I don't think we should do it again.

Posted by: eman at May 08, 2015 11:37 AM (MQEz6)

5 Half the people in this country are totally unworthy of their sacrifice.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 08, 2015 11:38 AM (LWKgp)

6 Well, I guess if they could do that, I could at least take the time to write my congressman about the undoing of their victory.

Posted by: Anonymous Scandi Hobo who doesn't want to be turned into Jerky at May 08, 2015 11:38 AM (1z7WT)

7 Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 08, 2015 11:38 AM (LWKgp)

I'd put that number at 52%.

Posted by: Golfman at May 08, 2015 11:39 AM (fQAkR)

8 The liberation of Auschwitz? You're welcome.

Posted by: Barky's Grandad, Attached to the Soviet 1st Ukrainian Front at May 08, 2015 11:39 AM (2AlPN)

9 4 I don't think we should do it again.
Posted by: eman at May 08, 2015 11:37 AM (MQEz6)


Over the years, as Europe began it's slide to where it is today, Momma used to say that we should have let the Russkies overrun all of Europe as punishment.

All things considered, I think she might have been on to something.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2015 11:39 AM (St6BJ)

10 Half the people in this country are totally unworthy of their sacrifice.

Half the people in this country probably never even heard of World War 2.

Posted by: Susan Rice at May 08, 2015 11:40 AM (W5DcG)

11
Just a reminder that we used to live in a country with a Victory Day federal holiday*:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Day_%28United_States%29

*Shut up Rhode Island

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 08, 2015 11:40 AM (kdS6q)

12 I don't think we should would do it again.

Posted by: eman at May 08, 2015 11:37 AM (MQEz6)

Fixed

Posted by: Golfman at May 08, 2015 11:40 AM (fQAkR)

13 10 Half the people in this country probably never even heard of World War 2.
Posted by: Susan Rice at May 08, 2015 11:40 AM (W5DcG)


They'll have an opportunity to learn all about World War 3 - first hand.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2015 11:41 AM (St6BJ)

14 I don't think we should do it again.

- - - -

The real question is could we do it again?

Posted by: Diogenes at May 08, 2015 11:41 AM (eHdI1)

15 The Russians are going all out on their celebrations and sneering at the other Allies a bit. The "Great Patriotic War, 1941-1945", conveniently omitting 1939-40 when they were allies of the Nazis and making more than a few land grabs themselves..

Posted by: JHW at May 08, 2015 11:42 AM (w+zdY)

16 They'll have an opportunity to learn all about World War 3 - first hand.



Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2015 11:41 AM (St6BJ)


Yes..yes they will, and as shown throughout history they will be the cause.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 08, 2015 11:42 AM (LWKgp)

17 Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it a German Admiral who signed the surrender?

Posted by: HH at May 08, 2015 11:43 AM (Ce4DF)

18 14 I don't think we should do it again.

- - - -

The real question is could we do it again?
Posted by: Diogenes at May 08, 2015 11:41 AM (eHdI1)


Fighting who, the Russians? Yes. Weak as we are, both in materiel and morale, we're still pretty fucking strong. That won't last if we continue apace.


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2015 11:43 AM (St6BJ)

19 What live online feed is anybody watching?

Posted by: m at May 08, 2015 11:43 AM (WIUGG)

20 Presidential Candidate Dwight D Eisenhower Has No Regrets Over Dead Europeans

Posted by: 1950's AP Style Guide at May 08, 2015 11:43 AM (FcR7P)

21 Look at those Nazis in the picture, grinning llike idiots.

Posted by: Leftist at May 08, 2015 11:44 AM (VAsIq)

22 G-D Bless America and the United States Armed Forces

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 08, 2015 11:44 AM (rDqRv)

23 22 G-D Bless America and the United States Armed Forces
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 08, 2015 11:44 AM (rDqRv)


Forever.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2015 11:44 AM (St6BJ)

24 Just a reminder that we used to live in a country with a Victory Day federal holiday*:
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We try to celebrate VD every day here.

Posted by: California Schools at May 08, 2015 11:45 AM (VAsIq)

25 17 Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it a German Admiral who signed the surrender?
Posted by: HH at May 08, 2015 11:43 AM (Ce4DF)


Yes. And he later went on to open a pastry shop. Karl's Donuts, or something?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2015 11:45 AM (St6BJ)

26 Bless them all.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 08, 2015 11:45 AM (LA7Cm)

27 Off we go, into the wild blue yonder!

Posted by: m at May 08, 2015 11:45 AM (WIUGG)

28 Posted by: HH at May 08, 2015 11:43 AM (Ce4DF)

Without running to Il Wik, I believe it was Doenitz (no umlats for me).

Posted by: chiefjaybob at May 08, 2015 11:46 AM (2L77z)

29 Lol at J.J.

Posted by: chiefjaybob at May 08, 2015 11:46 AM (2L77z)

30 God bless them


In other news AP wrote a hit piece on Geller, and threatened to publish the names of her family if she didn't cooperate. Nazi are back

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 08, 2015 11:46 AM (HMnUY)

31 Something interesting about VE/VJ: After VE day, some troops w/more enlistment time, ended up going from VE, to fighting Japan.
Congratulations, you've defeated Nazi Germany. Now go fight Imperial Japan.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 08, 2015 11:46 AM (5buP8)

32 As soon as VE Day happened the Soviets started to rewrite history to play down the fact the US had loaned the USSR some 4,000 P-39 Airacobras, 700+ B-25 Mitchells, T-6 Texans, tons upon tons of Spam, and a thousand other vital military items.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2015 11:46 AM (k+itx)

33 G-D God Bless America and the United States Armed Forces

As long as we're being offensive, triggering racists, let's do it right.

Posted by: t-bird at May 08, 2015 11:46 AM (FcR7P)

34 G-D Bless America and the United States Armed Forces

Posted by: Nevergiveup

Sure, I change one word and everyone goes crazy.

Posted by: Rev. Jeremiah Wright at May 08, 2015 11:46 AM (VAsIq)

35 So... 70 years later... Europe is United, under the Leadership of faceless bureaucrats.... and Germany....

And the US is being spied on by its own government, while a Charismatic Leader shreds its basic laws, and the checks and balances of Government, with the help of a compliant Legislature...

Posted by: History, Yelling LOUDLY but no on is listening at May 08, 2015 11:47 AM (qh617)

36 So few of these Men are left. I fear with their passing that the story will die....

Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at May 08, 2015 11:47 AM (Bn6aD)

37
@25, 28.
Ha!

Posted by: lurkingestlurker at May 08, 2015 11:48 AM (k8xvx)

38 Time to re-watch Band of Brothers.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 08, 2015 11:48 AM (VAsIq)

39 Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 08, 2015 11:46 AM

Whuuuuuut!? Link?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 08, 2015 11:48 AM (60Vyp)

40 Funny, J.J.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 08, 2015 11:49 AM (/Ho8c)

41
@32, yup, and most historians today try to downplay the US role in victory and talk up the Soviet one. Hmm, wonder why?

Posted by: lurkingestlurker at May 08, 2015 11:49 AM (k8xvx)

42 From Geller twitter feed

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 08, 2015 11:49 AM (HMnUY)

43 In other news AP wrote a hit piece on Geller, and threatened to publish the names of her family if she didn't cooperate. Nazi are back.

I think that's worse than Nazism. At least you *might* have had a chance in the camps. Now some stranger walks up behind you and cuts your head off.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 08, 2015 11:49 AM (5buP8)

44 Yes. And he later went on to open a pastry shop. Karl's Donuts, or something?


Not to be confused with Reichsmarschall Donut, which was Eva Braun's pet name for Hermann Goering.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 08, 2015 11:49 AM (2AlPN)

45 In other news AP wrote a hit piece on Geller,

AllahPander, or the AP?

Can't tell anymore, when Chris F'ing Hayes is defending Geller and so-called conservatives are attacking her.



Posted by: Citizen X at May 08, 2015 11:49 AM (7ObY1)

46 Oddly Russians observe VE day on the 9th.

Posted by: JohnMc at May 08, 2015 11:49 AM (ZVUS/)

47 Don't forget the trucks, Anna.

Oh, and the uranium, too.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 08, 2015 11:49 AM (/Ho8c)

48 Karl Donitz, the father of the U-boats, signed the articles of surrender. He became Hitler's successor after Goering fell out of favor.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2015 11:49 AM (k+itx)

49
Whuuuuuut!? Link?

Well I did see a headline that said Geller had no remorse for the deaths of those 2 Men....

Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at May 08, 2015 11:50 AM (Bn6aD)

50 I see a lot of White Privilege in that photo.

Posted by: Garrett at May 08, 2015 11:50 AM (wwBdj)

51 ... tons upon tons of Spam,

That's why they don't want to mention it.

Posted by: Monty Python at May 08, 2015 11:51 AM (W5DcG)

52 Well I did see a headline that said Geller had no remorse for the deaths of those 2 Men....



Remorse? REMORSE??

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 08, 2015 11:51 AM (oKE6c)

53 Will the WH release a picture today?

Posted by: USA at May 08, 2015 11:51 AM (tfM+W)

54 Amen.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at May 08, 2015 11:51 AM (gLDxG)

55 A model of Bud Anderson's P-51D 'Old Crow'

http://www.arcair.com/Gal1/101-200/gal134-P51-Oudin/00.shtm

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2015 11:51 AM (k+itx)

56 Betcha the Germans will think twice before bombing Pearl Harbor again.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton Supporter at May 08, 2015 11:51 AM (xQX/f)

57 I see a lot of White Privilege in that photo.

Posted by: Garrett


I see normal men who did extraordinary things because that's what was asked and expected of them.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 08, 2015 11:51 AM (VAsIq)

58 CSPAN will have flyover a little after Noon (1210pm ET). Link in nik

Posted by: Baldy at May 08, 2015 11:51 AM (sEXjW)

59
@47

Also, don'tforgeteverything else they stole from us under the guise of "military aid to Russia", Or the agents of influence they riddled our government with in the 30's and 40's. Or Alger Hiss.

Posted by: lurkingestlurker at May 08, 2015 11:51 AM (k8xvx)

60 Live stream of the flyover...


http://tinyurl.com/l6eqnz2

Posted by: Juan's Sons at May 08, 2015 11:51 AM (fWAjv)

61 If you haven't, you should read about the battle for Berlin. The scale of the thing is mind boggling. The wiki has the detail but is a dull and boring read.

Posted by: Landon Maedoc at May 08, 2015 11:52 AM (Hgz78)

62 Geeze. Sorry for the poor quality.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 08, 2015 11:52 AM (fWAjv)

63 46 Oddly Russians observe VE day on the 9th.

Posted by: JohnMc at May 08, 2015 11:49 AM (ZVUS/)




They have that whole calendar thing, and what with their per capita vodka consumption ...


That's why they celebrate the October Revolution, which took place in November. Kinda like the Krauts celebrating Oktoberfest in September. Drink up!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 08, 2015 11:52 AM (oKE6c)

64 Well I did see a headline that said Geller had no remorse for the deaths of those 2 Men....

That's the AP thing everyone's on about. The actual article is reasonably fair, but that headline they used to advertise it on Twitter is really, really stupid.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 08, 2015 11:53 AM (B/VB5)

65 60 Live stream of the flyover...

http://tinyurl.com/l6eqnz2
Posted by: Juan's Sons at May 08, 2015 11:51 AM (fWAjv)

Looks good.

Posted by: m at May 08, 2015 11:53 AM (WIUGG)

66
~61

Speaking of Berlin, ifanyone's read any of the books on the Berlin Airlift..wow. Hard to imagine people pulling something like that off with the technology they had, but they did it.

Posted by: lurkingestlurker at May 08, 2015 11:53 AM (k8xvx)

67 @60

Thanks, I'll take it in.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 08, 2015 11:54 AM (LA7Cm)

68
In the coming war, it will be a quick surrender by Western Civilizaton.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 08, 2015 11:54 AM (yIZJ3)

69 I see normal men who did extraordinary things because that's what was asked and expected of them.

The very definition of white privilege.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 08, 2015 11:55 AM (W5DcG)

70 Thank you WWII vets.

And you're welcome Europe.

70 years later and Germany almost the only one moving to the right.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 08, 2015 11:55 AM (ODxAs)

71 Weird. The quality just improved vastly.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 08, 2015 11:56 AM (fWAjv)

72 I was building a house for my parents in 2011. Every weekend I would run up to my sisters place to work on it until it was done. One day I was standing in line at Home Depot with my dad as he bought another trailer load of stuff and he quietly said as he took back his ID showing military service "I don't know why I get this discount, I never did anything to deserve it".

I simply told him "Daddy, you showed up. You were there and ready weren't you?"

He was 19 and made ensign but was never assigned a ship as the war ended just as he went through the process. In his later years he was grateful to see the military celebrated again but somehow he just couldn't relate to the heroism aspect of how veterans were being portrayed. He seemed kind of guilt ridden actually.

And neither one of my Vietnam veteran brothers speak of their experience either.

Posted by: DanMan at May 08, 2015 11:56 AM (RusNE)

73 For those who did not make it home.

http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2008/11/veterans-day.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2015 11:56 AM (k+itx)

74 Well I did see a headline that said Geller had no remorse for the deaths of those 2 Men....

----

:-/

Yes.... I always gets the sads for the deaths of people that want to murder me.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 08, 2015 11:56 AM (8XRCm)

75 Yes

Fairly reasonable

And how about threatening to publish the names of her family?


Is that fairly reasonable? Or is it a death threat?

Posted by: ThunderB, Overly Provocative at May 08, 2015 11:57 AM (HMnUY)

76 Bertram gets it.

Posted by: Garrett at May 08, 2015 11:57 AM (wwBdj)

77 Posted by: ThunderB, Overly Provocative at May 08, 2015 11:57 AM

Thats worth a road trip for an ass whoopin.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 08, 2015 11:58 AM (60Vyp)

78 God bless all those souls for what they did.

Too bad America is pissing on their graves at this point.......

Posted by: Sponge at May 08, 2015 11:58 AM (F4u7C)

79 8.9 mil dead Allies: no apologies, regrets for telling Hitler 'go f* yourself', standing in his way #VEDay70 #AssociatedPressHeadlines

Posted by: Fringe at May 08, 2015 11:58 AM (Stqj5)

80
Well I did see a headline that said Geller had no remorse for the deaths of those 2 Men....

--

I know that I have a feeling of joy that two terrorists in body armor were taken out with head shots before they could kill any American civilians.

I am still smiling about their deaths.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 08, 2015 11:59 AM (yIZJ3)

81 Here's to those men who saw facist monsters for what they were and fought them with fury.

Posted by: ThunderB, Overly Provocative at May 08, 2015 12:00 PM (HMnUY)

82 Thank you. Just. Thank you.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at May 08, 2015 12:02 PM (mf5HN)

83 I am still smiling about their deaths.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 08, 2015 11:59 AM (yIZJ3)



Amen to THAT.

Posted by: Sponge at May 08, 2015 12:02 PM (F4u7C)

84
Vashta Nerada
Alluha Akkkkkkk! (thud)

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 08, 2015 12:03 PM (0x/TW)

85 This post is for my father in law, who served as a radio man on B-17 bombers over Germany. He survived appalling odds.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at May 08, 2015 12:04 PM (JgC5a)

86
Photos of WWII airplanes lost at sea.

http://tinyurl.com/ml7jptj

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 08, 2015 12:05 PM (ODxAs)

87 As soon as VE Day happened the Soviets started to rewrite history to
play down the fact the US had loaned the USSR some 4,000 P-39
Airacobras, 700+ B-25 Mitchells, T-6 Texans, tons upon tons of Spam, and
a thousand other vital military items. (Anna Puma)
======

The Soviets later stated that US vehicles, clothing, and food had the greatest positive impact on their war machine. Perhaps we should have sent them fewer Studebakers and more P-39s.

One of my uncles was a Coast Guard gunner who served aboard freighters making the Murmansk Run.

Posted by: mrp at May 08, 2015 12:06 PM (JBggj)

88 85 This post is for my father in law, who served as a radio man on B-17 bombers over Germany. He survived appalling odds.
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at May 08, 2015 12:04 PM (JgC5a)


Wow. G-d bless him.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2015 12:07 PM (St6BJ)

89 It would have been horrible if the commies had won the election and were representing the UK at the VE celebrations.

Posted by: Bruce J at May 08, 2015 12:07 PM (iQIUe)

90 California considering a bill requiring schools to put a positive spin on Spam.

True story.

Posted by: t-bird at May 08, 2015 12:08 PM (FcR7P)

91 In WWI the order was given to go over the top, and they went. It was described as men facing a driving rain. They would turn their head and hunch their shoulders, but it was rain. It was bullets. The order was give and they went.

In WWII, the order was given, and they went. On December 8th, people lined up to enlist. In the pacific the order was given to land on the beach and secure the island, and they went and did as they were ordered.

All over Europe it was the same. Patton outrunning his supply lines, forced to stop because he was out of gasoline.

In the sixties, LBJ and the Democrats called it our grandest adventure to go to South Vietnam and save the world from communism, and people refused to go. Some fled to Canada. Millions protested and burned their draft cards.

In Iraq, Bush gave the order, and people back in the states tried to sabotage everything connected to the illegal war.

'scuse me, I need to talk a walk.

Posted by: Landon Maedoc at May 08, 2015 12:08 PM (Hgz78)

92
So... 70 years later... Europe is United, under the Leadership of faceless bureaucrats.... and Germany....



And the US is being spied on by its own government, while a
Charismatic Leader shreds its basic laws, and the checks and balances of
Government, with the help of a compliant Legislature...





Posted by: History, Yelling LOUDLY but no on is listening at May 08, 2015 11:47 AM (qh617)

If the soldiers knew what the future would bring - do you think they would have tried so hard?
The problem with elections: half the population has a below normal intellegence, and 4% of the intelligent people are evil. That gives a 52% majority vote.

Posted by: An Observation at May 08, 2015 12:08 PM (5UxEh)

93 Guy Mohawk, not lost at sea. Dumped at sea.

The Avenger has wings folded. Two of the Dauntless dive bombers have their outer wings removed. And the B-25 has its landing gear extended, do that ditching at sea will tear the plane apart - just ask David Thatcher gunner of Ruptured Duck on Doolittle Raid.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2015 12:09 PM (k+itx)

94 take a walk, fingers don't take orders from the brain.

Posted by: Landon Maedoc at May 08, 2015 12:09 PM (Hgz78)

95 Piper Cubs

Posted by: m at May 08, 2015 12:09 PM (WIUGG)

96 It would have been horrible if the commies had won the election and were representing the UK at the VE celebrations.
=======

I smiled this morning when I read that George Galloway lost his seat in Parliament to the Labour candidate.

Posted by: mrp at May 08, 2015 12:10 PM (JBggj)

97 We can never repay the debt. And now we have a fascist in the WH busily undoing the victory over that enormous evil. So boned, so utterly boned.

But free birth control!

Posted by: fly gal at May 08, 2015 12:10 PM (8TdcF)

98
Yes, the 11th Armored Division gave us the gift of JJ Sefton.

Posted by: Bruce J at May 08, 2015 12:11 PM (iQIUe)

99 Stearmans....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 08, 2015 12:11 PM (LA7Cm)

100 Piper Cubs = L-1
Stearmans = PT-17s

Any BT-13s?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2015 12:12 PM (k+itx)

101 "We all owe an impossible debt?"

NO.

Less than 50% of us do.

The majority of this country isn't worth the loss of one American soldier.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 08, 2015 12:12 PM (zF6Iw)

102
Hey, Sefton!

How long was your Mom at Mauthausen? It was such a crappy place and as the end neared, I dont think it got better for the prisoners.

Posted by: Bruce J at May 08, 2015 12:13 PM (iQIUe)

103 If the soldiers knew what the future would bring - do you think they would have tried so hard?

Yes. Because they'd never believe you.

Posted by: t-bird at May 08, 2015 12:14 PM (FcR7P)

104 Yes dumped Anna, but lost until recently.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 08, 2015 12:14 PM (ODxAs)

105 "Any BT-13s?"

No, they seem to be working their way up the chain. Observation, primary/basic trainer, advanced etc.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 08, 2015 12:14 PM (LA7Cm)

106 G-d Bless them all.


Overseas military cemetery's.

http://tinyurl.com/pr9dee8

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 08, 2015 12:15 PM (fWAjv)

107 Actually we don't owe a debt. They knew what they were doing. Protecting their county's homes and families. The real debt we owe is to the present. I don't think they were thing about a 2015 America when they landed on Normandy. They were thinking about their families and friends. What we owe them is the same commitment. What we owe them is the individual response to the current threat. If we can join an organization like the military to address it, great. If not, I will stand with what I said on my Radio show last night. If they kill Pam Gellar, every mosque in America needs to burn. That we can do as individuals.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at May 08, 2015 12:15 PM (KbNXw)

108 I caught a view of Susan Rice giving a speech or something at a service maybe two hours ago. Did she say that the invasion of Poland was a demonstration that got out of hand..?

Posted by: mallfly at May 08, 2015 12:15 PM (qSIlh)

109 Dave in Texas, this might be something for you

http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2007/06/flag-what-it-means.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2015 12:15 PM (k+itx)

110 Anna Puma, how great is this flyover for you?

Posted by: m at May 08, 2015 12:15 PM (WIUGG)

111 Gramps was in the Pacific, driving a tank.
Two uncles there with him, both in the Navy.
Two other uncles in Europe.
The youngest would have to wait for Korea to serve.

Never could thank them enough.

Posted by: Garrett at May 08, 2015 12:15 PM (wwBdj)

112 David Burge

@iowahawkblog






We all owe an impossible debt. #VEDay70
Indeed we do. Unfortunately it appears it will be unpaid - much like Greece's debtors.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at May 08, 2015 12:15 PM (DlmoZ)

113 Okay, AT-6s, no BTs.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 08, 2015 12:16 PM (LA7Cm)

114 My daddy buzzed my mom's college quad in an AT-6 Texan.

Posted by: m at May 08, 2015 12:16 PM (WIUGG)

115 113 Okay, AT-6s, no BTs.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 08, 2015 12:16 PM (LA7Cm)

They had a BT-17 Stearman a minute ago.

Posted by: m at May 08, 2015 12:17 PM (WIUGG)

116 Now a C-45. Not as much order as I thought

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 08, 2015 12:17 PM (LA7Cm)

117 My daddy buzzed my mom's college quad in an AT-6 Texan.

Posted by: m


RAPE CULTURE!

Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 08, 2015 12:18 PM (/Ho8c)

118 m, it would be fun to see. But I would burn to a crisp in the sunshine like I did at the Doolittle Raider Reunion in '13. But I wouldn't care.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2015 12:18 PM (k+itx)

119 As much as I hate to recall my service, you are welcome.

Posted by: Brian Williams at May 08, 2015 12:18 PM (wwBdj)

120 Ask a Millenial today or a Gen-Xer what WWII was all about and who the combatants were. You'll get some amusing answers. Sad, really.

Posted by: Sphynx at May 08, 2015 12:18 PM (OZmbA)

121 Not all Gen Xers. But many.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 08, 2015 12:19 PM (/Ho8c)

122 118 m, it would be fun to see. But I would burn to a crisp in the sunshine like I did at the Doolittle Raider Reunion in '13. But I wouldn't care.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2015 12:18 PM (k+itx)

But seeing this online, I mean. It's fun for me, but I'd think you'd on Cloud 9 watching this.

Posted by: m at May 08, 2015 12:19 PM (WIUGG)

123 BT = Basic Trainer : Vultee BT-13
PT = Primary Trainer : Stearman PT-17
AT = Advanced Trainer. : North American AT-6 Texan

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2015 12:19 PM (k+itx)

124 " had a BT-17 Stearman "


Yeah, I never think of the Stearman as a "BT."

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 08, 2015 12:20 PM (LA7Cm)

125 >>>RAPE CULTURE!
Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 08, 2015 12:18 PM (/Ho8c)

Heh.

Posted by: m at May 08, 2015 12:20 PM (WIUGG)

126 123 BT = Basic Trainer : Vultee BT-13
PT = Primary Trainer : Stearman PT-17
AT = Advanced Trainer. : North American AT-6 Texan
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2015 12:19 PM (k+itx)

Thanks; sorry.

Posted by: m at May 08, 2015 12:21 PM (WIUGG)

127 Wildcat and SBD.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 08, 2015 12:22 PM (LA7Cm)

128 Are you a writer for Jane's or something, AnnaP?

Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 08, 2015 12:22 PM (/Ho8c)

129 FM-2 Wildcat?
SBD-5 Dauntless?

Writer for Jane's? Got a couple of their books.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2015 12:23 PM (k+itx)

130 My late Uncle was a waist gunner on B-24s, over Germany.

Even into his late seventies, he was one tough and tenacious man.

After the war, he made a great career as a machinist and toolmaker in the Southern California aircraft industry. One of the very best, and they paid him as such.

I will tell you this, his watching those bombs fall, most missing their targets and often hitting residential areas.... he wrestled with those images, to his dying day.

There is NO WAY to measure the respect due such men.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 08, 2015 12:23 PM (RzZOc)

131 'scuse me, I need to talk a walk.
Posted by: Landon Maedoc at May 08, 2015 12:08 PM (Hgz7


Look up 'New York City Draft Riot' (1863) -- it's not so much a downward progression over time. Some people have different ideas about the advisability of different conflicts. Would I, as a northerner, have wanted to fight the southerners in order to take away the rights of individual states? Anymore then today, Colorado legalizes marijuana but it is against Federal law. I think Colorado is wrong but I'd still refuse to take up arms against them. They'll figure it out eventually.

Best of all, we now have an all volunteer army manned by some real patriots.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 08, 2015 12:23 PM (xQX/f)

132 I know that I have a feeling of joy that two terrorists in body armor were taken out with head shots before they could kill any American civilians.

I am still smiling about their deaths.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 08, 2015 11:59 AM (yIZJ3)


Damn right. I was going to call the doctor because of that 4 hour erection thing that lasted days.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 08, 2015 12:23 PM (LWKgp)

133 >>>124 " had a BT-17 Stearman "

Yeah, I never think of the Stearman as a "BT."
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 08, 2015 12:20 PM (LA7Cm)

Sorry, my mistake.

Posted by: m at May 08, 2015 12:24 PM (WIUGG)

134 Dauntless is an awesome name for an aircraft.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 08, 2015 12:24 PM (/Ho8c)

135 More 'cats.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 08, 2015 12:25 PM (LA7Cm)

136 The Grumman TBF was named Avenger because its first flight coincided with the attack on Pearl Harbor.

It was not until 1940 that the US Navy actually assigned official names to their planes.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2015 12:26 PM (k+itx)

137 My late uncle Joe was in the first one of Patton's tanks into the Battle of the Bulge and 50 years later he still woke up in the middle of the night screaming.

There is no way to repay such men.

Posted by: An Observation at May 08, 2015 12:26 PM (5UxEh)

138 B-24H, Liberator!!!

Posted by: m at May 08, 2015 12:27 PM (WIUGG)

139 ....with P-39s or -63s. Couldn't tell.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 08, 2015 12:28 PM (LA7Cm)

140 P-51 Mustangs!!!

Posted by: m at May 08, 2015 12:29 PM (WIUGG)

141 Well wonder if the Marshall Islands would let anyone recover those planes? Interesting way to spend lottery winnings.

The Corsair would be real fun to rebuild because a good portion of each wing was still fabric covered as that photo shows. The Dauntless dive bombers are in incredible condition, the radio antenna mast in front of the windshield is made of wood even as the fabric covered control surfaces have been eaten away.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2015 12:29 PM (k+itx)

142 Piper Cub? Military name was the L4 Grasshopper. One of my favorite WW2 vets is Lt Charles Carpenter. Huge set of balls. Wiki him sometime and see some of his exploits in that frail aircraft as he flew over Normandy and western France armed with 6 bazookas under the wings destroying/disabling several German tanks and armored vehicles.

Posted by: Rex B at May 08, 2015 12:30 PM (h4WLi)

143
I consider it an honor to have worn the uniform those men did.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 08, 2015 12:40 PM (jeCnD)

144 That disgusting Rice made it all about women & blacks getting equal treatment. Yeah, cause that's why we fought the War. And the hideous CIC does not attend.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at May 08, 2015 12:43 PM (02oLK)

145 >>>the hideous CIC does not attend
It is truly despicable.

Posted by: m at May 08, 2015 12:44 PM (WIUGG)

146 Missing Man formation

Posted by: m at May 08, 2015 12:45 PM (WIUGG)

147
Had a cousin who was the tip of the spear in WWII. He landed at Normandy and was among the first into each town shown in Saving Private Ryan.
Set a then record for consecutive days in combat.
There was an ancient German church the Nazis had holed up in. We wouldn't bomb it and they couldn't shoot it up. So they waited until night and went in using only their bayonets. When a nazi fired a gun they would crawl toward the muzzle flash. Then they would jump up and stab, then throw themselves to the side to avoid being shot. My Cousin said he jumped up, stabbed...and hit the stone column the Nazi was behind.
Brave, brave men. We need more like them.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 08, 2015 12:47 PM (1JqUE)

148 That disgusting Rice made it all about women blacks getting equal treatment. Yeah, cause that's why we fought the War. And the hideous CIC does not attend.Posted by: Gouverneur Morris ***************************************************She's just educating the old, racist, clingers. /

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 08, 2015 12:48 PM (1JqUE)

149 Allied victory. He said "US victory." Hmm.

Posted by: m at May 08, 2015 12:49 PM (WIUGG)

150 That disgusting Rice made it all about women blacks getting equal treatment.

Of course. Racist we much.

And the hideous CIC does not attend.

First honorable thing he's done in his life. His very presence blasphemes the nation.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 08, 2015 12:50 PM (zF6Iw)

151 144 That disgusting Rice made it all about women & blacks getting equal treatment. Yeah, cause that's why we fought the War. And the hideous CIC does not attend.
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at May 08, 2015 12:43 PM (02oLK)

Bears repeating.

Posted by: m at May 08, 2015 12:56 PM (WIUGG)

152 Mom's baby brother slogged across Europe, and as a reward was being readied for the invasion of Japan.

Instead, we dropped the Bomb.

Today he is a Great-Great-Grandfather, and I hope to see him at Mom's 95th birthday next month.

A sloppy but heartfelt civvie salute to Uncle Ed, and all those who served and serve.

Posted by: mindful webworker at May 08, 2015 12:58 PM (bXjNn)

153 Obama is, right at this moment, delivering remarks at a Nike plant in Oregon., arguing for a Pacific trade pact.

Posted by: m at May 08, 2015 12:59 PM (WIUGG)

154 The *WAR* part of World War II began on Sept. 9, 1939, when two allies, Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, invaded Poland. We shouldn't ever forget that 'Soviet Union' part.

- - - - - - - -

Can't help but remember two of my family members who served:

My father couldn't enlist, so he served in the Merchant Marine, sailing across the North Atlantic in convoys. They lost more men, as a %, than any other unit. My uncle flew a Hellcat off a carrier in the Pacific during the war.

Our WWII generation was indeed our "Greatest Generation."

Posted by: tlk428 at May 08, 2015 01:06 PM (0c9yp)

155 Sept. 1, 1939 . . .

(sheesh)

Posted by: tlk428 at May 08, 2015 01:07 PM (0c9yp)

156 Thanks Anna

Posted by: Dave in Texas at May 08, 2015 02:25 PM (WvXvd)

157 My father. Irish immigrant. Volunteered after Pearl Harbor at the ancient age of 35.

Landed in Oran, Algeria in November 1942. As a front line ordnanceman, endured North Africa, Sicily, and Italy. The only thing about it all that he ever mentioned was the Battle of Montecassino. "That was rough." And that he liberated Rome. Proud of that. As he well should have been.

Finished up he war in Leghorn, waiting to go to Japan. Finally went home in November 1945.

I was at the flyover at the National Mall today. All I could do was think of him. How he is a hero to me and that I miss him every day.

RIP, dad. Rest...in...peace.

Posted by: RobertM at May 08, 2015 03:30 PM (1guTK)

158 Thanks, DiT.

Posted by: m at May 08, 2015 03:59 PM (WIUGG)

159 My Dad is almost 91. All in his platoon are dead. So many gave for our country and so many so do not give a shit. I listen to his stories and feel terrible that he had to go through this. But he is so proud of what he did in this war, even though it was heartbreaking. I am so proud of him and all that served. We are surrounded by political pussies that should have served. ( with the exception of McCain, who will milk his experience forever. Real men let it go, and live it only in their hearts.

Posted by: Sam at May 09, 2015 04:48 AM (V64OO)

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