Free Speech Is Binary: We Either Have It Or We Don't [CBD]

This is not complicated. The legal limits on speech are obvious, narrow and understandable, and don't include upsetting homicidal maniacs.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

But....our betters seem to think differently. Here is a Fox News pundit with an inside-the-beltway take.

Greta Van Susteren, staunch defender of free speech, speaking of Pamela Geller's event:

"Everyone knew this event would unglue some who might become violent and the police had no choice but to do their jobs and be there to protect against violence."
"Was it fair to the police, to knowingly put them at risk by this unnecessary provocation?" Van Susteren asked. "I say no."

So...exercise of our God-given rights that are codified in our country's most important legal and social document is an unnecessary provocation.

Let's follow this surgically-enhanced, Scientology-spouting talking head's logic to its clear and unmistakable conclusion.

The six police officers charged in the death of Freddy Gray should be convicted and imprisoned without trial, because it is abundantly clear that were they to be found not-guilty, Everyone knows "this event would unglue some who might become violent and the police" would have "no choice but to do their jobs and be there to protect against violence."

Pamela Geller deserves our cheers and our gratitude, not self-serving, craven criticism.

Samuel Adams had the answer to Greta and the rest of our ambivalent pundits who can't imagine being brave and risking their lives for what they see as a triviality....freedom.

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."

And here's one that hits close to home for me. From Pamala Geller:

"Drawing Muhammad offends Islamic jihadists? So does being Jewish."

So...Greta Van Susteren of the surgically tightened face and the idiotic pseudo-religion, should I moderate the exercise of my own religion lest I offend the goat-humping, gay-killing, woman beating maniacs of Islam?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 02:41 PM

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1 First!

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at May 09, 2015 02:41 PM (P330y)

2 Greta's wrong. And thank God for that officer who capped the two aholes.

Posted by: Bruce J at May 09, 2015 02:42 PM (iQIUe)

3 What pseudo religion is Greta-Scientology?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 09, 2015 02:44 PM (1sJza)

4 Greta's wrong and CBD is right.

Ain't no 50 shades of grey here.

Posted by: Golfman at May 09, 2015 02:45 PM (YcKDZ)

5 Since when is it OUR job to keep Police safe????

Isn't that bass ackwards?

Being a Cop is a dangerous job, and they KNOW that when they sign on...

Just as I knew what I was getting into when I enlisted in the Navy....

Its there job to protect US, not ours to protect them... by not doing a completely LAWFUL Act.

I get really tired of the hecklers veto... where instead of the Police arresting those who do violence... those who do threaten... they arrest others for 'inciting'....

Like the guy a couple of elections ago who wore a McCain shirt on election night, and was ARRESTED for his own safety.... because others were threatening HIM...

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 09, 2015 02:46 PM (qh617)

6
The unnecessary killing of the Muslims in Texas will provoke other attacks that will kill American's, and Pam Geller and her minions will be directly responsible for their deaths. Sometimes it's best to keep your mouth shut and go along to get along, and this is one of those times.

Posted by: Alan Grayson, D-FL at May 09, 2015 02:46 PM (P330y)

7 "Everyone knew this event would unglue some who might become violent and
the police had no choice but to do their jobs and be there to protect
against violence."

"Was it fair to the police, to knowingly put them at risk by this unnecessary provocation?" Van Susteren asked. "I say no."
One wonders if southern Democrat racists said the same thing about civil rights demonstrators.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at May 09, 2015 02:47 PM (c/Ipt)

8 watched the Soviet.......er, Russian WWII..........er, Great Patriotic War victory parade last night.

9 out of 10 of the generals Putin shook hands with were fat. Not just porkish, but fat. Looked like a row of Khrushchevs in gaudy uniforms and oversized visor caps

Posted by: not really funny, but not bad at May 09, 2015 02:47 PM (8CdUx)

9 They're choosing international elitism and multiculturalism against the Anglo-American tradition of free speech, because they feel less and less connection to our cultural of freedom and individualism.

In her debate with Pamela Geller, Alyson Camerata thanked CNN for "allowing" the dialog. No, Ally, your betters at CNN cannot grant permission to speak freely. The First Amendment enshrines our natural right of free speech, but even that does not allow it.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 09, 2015 02:48 PM (jR7Wy)

10 Pamela Geller deserves our cheers and our gratitude,

And boob jokes.

and the idiotic pseudo-religion,

They don't explode, just sue, harass and blackmail.
Maybe the former hoosier converted?

Posted by: DaveA at May 09, 2015 02:48 PM (DL2i+)

11 may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen

No burn like an epic burn.

Posted by: DaveA at May 09, 2015 02:50 PM (DL2i+)

12 And here's a link to the Geller/Camerota debate:

http://tinyurl.com/m4qvcgv

Alisyn simply doesn't get it.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 09, 2015 02:51 PM (jR7Wy)

13 Posted by: not really funny, but not bad at May 09, 2015 02:47 PM (8CdUx)
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Stop fat-shaming these heroes of the Motherland!

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 09, 2015 02:52 PM (jR7Wy)

14 Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at May 09, 2015 02:47 PM (c/Ipt)

Goes to one of the many things that Ace and Drew were talking about in the podcast.

Turn it around in the weak form. I'm not good at it. I go straight to strong form.

But you make a great point.

Posted by: Golfman at May 09, 2015 02:53 PM (YcKDZ)

15 The commenters at the link are really something.

As if Sam Adams were talking right to them.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at May 09, 2015 02:54 PM (jpc8l)

16 Those Thetan bitches are screwing with Greta's thought processes again.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 09, 2015 02:59 PM (8ZskC)

17
Say what you want about Tom Cruise but I did admire him for one thing he said/did. When he was filming Stauffenberg they asked him if he wd like to meet with Rochus Misch, the bunker telephone operator & Hitler's body guard. Cruise refused, stating, evil is still evil, no matter how old he is. And Cruise was right.

Posted by: Bruce J at May 09, 2015 03:00 PM (iQIUe)

18 So Fox News goes the way of the GOP. They hate my rights, so I don't support them. Easy.

Posted by: M. Murcek at May 09, 2015 03:01 PM (GJUgF)

19 Greta, admit you are afraid.

Admit you will accept the killer's veto for another day of safety.

Admit it.

Or maybe you are not afraid.

Maybe you are just stupid and craven and basically useless.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 03:01 PM (MQEz6)

20 bin Laden justified his attack on civilians on 9/11 saying that they were legitimate targets because they were working for "the American system". In other words, they find our very existence justification for killing us.

Perhaps we should all change to Sharia compliant lest we get anyone hurt.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 09, 2015 03:01 PM (g1DWB)

21 The bubble in which the elite live is very delicate, you see.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 03:03 PM (MQEz6)

22
The left is vandalizing war memorials in the UK b/c they lost the election.

Posted by: Bruce J at May 09, 2015 03:05 PM (iQIUe)

23 Well said, CBD.

Posted by: Longbranch 303 at May 09, 2015 03:07 PM (3g/a8)

24 Maybe OJ was offended by Ron Goldman, sound about right, Regretta?

Posted by: Billygoatpuke at May 09, 2015 03:09 PM (l5QMI)

25 The speech is not the problem.

The speaker is not the problem.

The listener is the problem.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 03:09 PM (MQEz6)

26 If I can't have Christian Grey, I can at fantasize about being in a jihadi harem.

Posted by: Greta Van Susterin at May 09, 2015 03:10 PM (53CCM)

27 "Everyone knew this event would unglue some who might become violent and the police had no choice but to do their jobs and be there to protect against violence."
"Was it fair to the police, to knowingly put them at risk by this unnecessary provocation?" Van Susteren asked. "I say no."
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Everyone knew this event would unglue terrorists that this administration lets roam free or emigrate here. Is it fair to legitimate citizens who wish to live by the laws of this land to subject them to the tyranny of terrorists? I say no. Fuck you Greta, you craven traitorous shit.

Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at May 09, 2015 03:10 PM (XrHO0)

28 Greta, you win a Factor Gear "Eaten Last" t-shirt.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 03:11 PM (MQEz6)

29 You don't have to be stupid to get an on-air job at Fox, but it damn sure helps.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 09, 2015 03:14 PM (8W5zZ)

30 Greta assumes this problem exists by default. IT DOESN'T. It is manufactured by our government's betrayal of us.

Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at May 09, 2015 03:14 PM (3F6F8)

31 On the plus side, with that SWAT team otherwise occupied, many dogs did not lose their lives that night.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 09, 2015 03:15 PM (KFdZd)

32 *fist bumps CBD*

Posted by: Y-not at May 09, 2015 03:16 PM (9BRsg)

33 Another of those Adams guys said,
A Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at May 09, 2015 03:16 PM (R8hU8)

34 Yoko Ono says she had a romantic fling with Hillary Cankles Clinton in the 70's.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at May 09, 2015 03:16 PM (EllPL)

35 So, Greta, when students in Texas were exercising their free speech by stomping on an American flag, did you also feel that the police had to unfairly defend them?

And when they arrested a female Air Force veteran, who took the flag away, did you criticize the protestors for provoking her reaction?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 09, 2015 03:17 PM (KQTmr)

36 Hmmm.... then by this logic...

We should be bombing the shit out of the 'death to America' chanters....

which is actually.... correct....

Hmmmm.....

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 09, 2015 03:19 PM (qh617)

37 At this point the islamonazi's need a little push back, they've had way to much leeway in society already. Pamela Geller pushed, dumbasses reacted as predictably as the sun rises in the East with the punditry class condemning her for exercising free speech.

Someone needs to educate them on the Bill of Rights.

I'm pretty sure the idiots will next be condemning a person's right to self defense... oh... wait.

Posted by: Gmac- Pulling in feelers in preperation... at May 09, 2015 03:21 PM (4CRfK)

38 doesn't the state limiting what you can say about any religion create a de facto protected state religion?

Posted by: Mr Wizard at May 09, 2015 03:23 PM (vNlkp)

39 Yoko Ono says she had a romantic fling with Hillary Cankles Clinton in the 70's.

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(((Shudder)))

Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 09, 2015 03:23 PM (LImiJ)

40 Dear Greta...

As someone who swore an Oath to God, to defend and protect the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic...

What you said offends me.

Do you want me to play by MY rules... or yours....

It is your choice.

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 09, 2015 03:24 PM (qh617)

41 There is a long list of things that account for the folks in media and government being so craven and cowardly and myopic.

I list fear as number one.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 03:24 PM (MQEz6)

42 You fistbumped a dildo?!

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at May 09, 2015 03:24 PM (Q819Q)

43 Test

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 09, 2015 03:25 PM (NiKF6)

44 Nothing is binary!

Posted by: Gender and Sexuality Confused Idiots at May 09, 2015 03:25 PM (xSCb6)

45 Bill O'Reilly. I'd hit that.

Posted by: Ayatollah Khamenei at May 09, 2015 03:26 PM (XrHO0)

46 ". . . the goat-humping, gay-killing, woman beating maniacs of Islam?

You left out "c*nt-cutting."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 09, 2015 03:26 PM (St6BJ)

47 44 Nothing is binary!

There are 10 kinds of people in the world...

Posted by: Ada Lovelace at May 09, 2015 03:26 PM (brIR5)

48 39...that's what we call Red on Red action....

Posted by: Mr Wizard at May 09, 2015 03:27 PM (vNlkp)

49 Nothing is binary!

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Pfft.

Posted by: Moisture Vaporators at May 09, 2015 03:28 PM (CFesC)

50 (types)
(deletes)
(types)
(deletes)

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 09, 2015 03:28 PM (bLnSU)

51 So ... time to start meeting up and making contacts ?

Y'all tell me.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 09, 2015 03:28 PM (FAbks)

52 42 You fistbumped a dildo?!
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at May 09, 2015 03:24 PM (Q819Q)
******
He should change his moniker to Charlie Brown's Hebdo.

Posted by: Ayatollah Khamenei at May 09, 2015 03:29 PM (3F6F8)

53 #39 brain bleach. A double. Screw the ice.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 09, 2015 03:29 PM (6lijB)

54 Okay, Greta, dear, in what country is your right to spew nonsense like this without being smacked down by the idiot hammer protected by the Constitution?

Yeah, honey, that Country, and that Constitution. The one that allows you to make living by talking. Speaking. Freely. Without fear of imprisonment.

Now, don't go away mad, just go the hell away.

Posted by: tcn in AK at May 09, 2015 03:30 PM (+YMhA)

55 34
Yoko and Hillary scissoring?

Yeesh! The NOISE!

Posted by: The Neighbors at May 09, 2015 03:30 PM (aUlhk)

56 What fistbumping a dildo might look like:
https://youtu.be/FYmZJr7ID5I

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at May 09, 2015 03:30 PM (Q819Q)

57 42 You fistbumped a dildo?!
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at May 09, 2015 03:24 PM (Q819Q)

Probably better than what the gay marriage crowd had in mind.

Posted by: tcn in AK at May 09, 2015 03:31 PM (+YMhA)

58 You're free to mock and denigrate conservatives, Christians, and Jooooooz. What more do you need the First Amendment for?

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 09, 2015 03:31 PM (CFesC)

59
Making the world dangerous for democracy. Wilson's 14 non-binary points . . . of light.

Feh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 09, 2015 03:32 PM (St6BJ)

60 You left out "c*nt-cutting."

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In one of the brief moments that WZ has been up these last few days, they had this charming story.

http://tinyurl.com/mqnvfk5

Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 09, 2015 03:32 PM (LImiJ)

61 The Elite know that resisting Islam requires promoting Western values.

They sure as hell don't want to do that.

So, they try for some middle ground.

It doesn't work.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 03:32 PM (MQEz6)

62 There are 10 kinds of people. Those who accept me as a woman and those who mistake me for one.

Posted by: Bruce Jenner at May 09, 2015 03:32 PM (XrHO0)

63 This whole thread is triggering.

Posted by: fluffy at May 09, 2015 03:33 PM (Ua6T/)

64 I've never really watched Greta, but I see there's no reason to change that now that I see how shallow her capacity for rational thought is.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 03:33 PM (xSCb6)

65 60 Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 09, 2015 03:32 PM (LImiJ)

I saw it and was immediately revolted. A few hundred million of these neanderfucks need to die. Immediately if not sooner.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 09, 2015 03:34 PM (St6BJ)

66 The speech is not the problem.

The speaker is not the problem.

The listener is the problem.

B-b-but no trigger warnings.

Posted by: hadoop at May 09, 2015 03:35 PM (2X7pN)

67 Greta needs to chat with Lara Logan.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 03:35 PM (MQEz6)

68 Greta, I find what you said to be offensive. It makes me angry. So would it be ok for ...

Posted by: Ayatollah Khamenei at May 09, 2015 03:35 PM (3F6F8)

69 Eh, what are you going to do? Blame America firsters are going to blame America first.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 09, 2015 03:36 PM (LImiJ)

70 Lara Logan had it coming too.

Posted by: CBS at May 09, 2015 03:37 PM (KFdZd)

71 Hold on I gotta ask Xenu what he thinks about this lest he drop my soul in a volcano again. Yeah.

Posted by: Greta at May 09, 2015 03:37 PM (HstNY)

72 Sometimes I think we should have emptied-out a boomer on 9/12.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 03:37 PM (MQEz6)

73 I only fist bump the real deal.

Posted by: Barney Frank at May 09, 2015 03:39 PM (cIoI4)

74 There's a certain thing that Ace doesn't allow in the comments, and he blocks anyone who says it or implies it with that person's information being forwarded to the Secret Service. This thing is illegal to express. So until I can say that without legal reprisal, we don't have freedom of speech. Because it's binary - either we have it and have it absolutely or we don't.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 03:39 PM (KTXxI)

75 Short story long ... just like Bill O'Reilly ...

Gretta is making serious bank - so she'd really appreciate it if we'd SHUT THE FUCK UP. Things are still pretty good from where she sits. Would you be so kind enough to Not Fuck That Up.

That's the deal,

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 09, 2015 03:40 PM (FAbks)

76 We are putting together a bill where everyone but white males get free speech.

Posted by: John Boehner & Mitch McConnell at May 09, 2015 03:40 PM (TV9BR)

77 Yes, Greta is a Scientologist, which is a religion like my dick is one of the great thinkers of mankind... No, wait, I'm confusing my dick with Russell Brand, who is merely a dickhead.

Via Conservative Treehouse, here's Bill Whittle weighing in with pretty much CBD's exact same viewpoint on freedom of speech:

http://tinyurl.com/nlxys5x

I'm thinking he missed a great chance to drop 'mewling quim' into one of his dialogs, but it's otherwise perfect.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 09, 2015 03:41 PM (ASMqD)

78 Well, then. I guess that I have nothing to say that wouldn't upset some special little snowflake somewhere. Prolly should just keep my mouth shut and just kick them in the crotch. Think that would get my point across?

Posted by: Old Blue at May 09, 2015 03:41 PM (9iR5/)

79 "Was it fair to the police, to knowingly put them at risk by this unnecessary provocation?" Van Susteren asked. "I say no."

What is this fascist's take on what happened in Ferguson and Baltimore then?

Yeah.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 09, 2015 03:41 PM (TV9BR)

80 It isn't a free speech issue really. I mean, free speech is a constitutional right and all but a right that is only allowed, unfettered, to an established member of the Main Stream Media. As a member of the Main Scam...sorry Main Stream Media, I have the right to say anything I wish at any time. BUT, and this is a huge BUT, you MUST be a member of the Lame Stream...sorry Main Stream Media!

The typical peon...sorry, citizen, doesn't have the intelligence and the training to know what to say with their free speech. They can easily say the wrong thing, annoying the wrong people, namely any Slime Stream...sorry Main Stream Media approved group, instead of annoying the right people, meaning right wind nut jobs.

So, in a practical matter, it is important for unimportant people to realize their free speech rights best NOT exercised. Then I will not be forced to crush them utterly.

Proud and Important Member of the Main Stream Assholes...sorry, Media.

Posted by: JB1000 at May 09, 2015 03:42 PM (WLJbV)

81 Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 03:39 PM (KTXxI)

Ace owns circus. He can parade the elephants however he wants.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 09, 2015 03:42 PM (LImiJ)

82 Bravo.

Here is her logic universalized. If militant Christians with AK-47s showed up at the exit doors of the Broadway theater showing "Book of Mormon" ready to slaughter the departing audience who'd all reveled in the slandering of Christians, then the playwright and producers would be responsible for provocation.

Please, tell me how this is different, if all religions are equal?

Posted by: rrpjr at May 09, 2015 03:42 PM (s/yC1)

83 My Greta action figure wants to know if it's safe to come out.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 03:43 PM (MQEz6)

84 We need Christopher Hitchens right now. Badly.

Posted by: rrpjr at May 09, 2015 03:43 PM (s/yC1)

85 Didn't some general personally contact that crazy preacher down in Florida that planned on a good ol' fashioned koran burning to tell him not to do it?

This appeasement of islamist has been going on since before then.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 09, 2015 03:43 PM (QR2WZ)

86 Just imagine the outrage if there were a shooting at a gay pride parade...

Posted by: BF at May 09, 2015 03:44 PM (00+Z8)

87 Yes, Greta is a Scientologist, which is a religion like my dick is one of the great thinkers of mankind
*********
Mine is, and it told me that inside a dog it's too dark to read.

Posted by: Bestial Groucho Marx at May 09, 2015 03:44 PM (3F6F8)

88 All of you need to shut your fuckin pie holes. For the folks.

Posted by: Bill O'Reilly at May 09, 2015 03:45 PM (KFdZd)

89 "Everyone knew this event would unglue some who might become violent..."

Would Greta become violent or just those lesser people she doesn't expect much from?

Posted by: ryukyu at May 09, 2015 03:47 PM (j29PP)

90 Notice how the Jihadis are smart enough to never attack protected groups here in the US?

Notice how the MSM does not think folks in Texas are worthy of protection?

The Big Al folks will never attack a gay parade.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 03:47 PM (MQEz6)

91 The Second Amendment gives the police the right to own guns.

The First Amendment gives the media the right to free speech.

There. See?

Posted by: Your ruling class at May 09, 2015 03:48 PM (sdi6R)

92 Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 03:39 PM (KTXxI)

You do see the monumental difference between the exercise of free speech on the part of Pamela Geller, and Ace having certain rules of conduct on the blog that he owns?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 09, 2015 03:48 PM (Zu3d9)

93 Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 03:39 PM (KTXxI)

Oh FFS, some imbecile has to trot this bullshit out every once in awhile don't they?

Clue: reread the second paragraph of the post.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 03:48 PM (xSCb6)

94 "Ace owns circus. He can parade the elephants however he wants."

This doesn't involve Ace. It's illegal for me to post that on any blog's comments. It's against the law for me to say that in a convenience store. There's that one thing I'm forbidden by law from saying. Forget Ace. I'd get arrested.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 03:49 PM (KTXxI)

95 So would a bacon eating contest be hate speech? So confusing!

Posted by: George at May 09, 2015 03:50 PM (fmKZ0)

96 Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 03:39 PM (KTXxI)

You are free to post what you want here; then ace is free to delete your post and ban your ass, but not before keeping a copy to forward to the Secret Service.

So knock yourself out.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 09, 2015 03:50 PM (ASMqD)

97 The Big Al folks will never attack a gay parade.
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I vaguely remember reading about some yute connected to the religion of pieces up in the Pacific Northwest going around badly damaging persons of the gay persuasion. I also seem to remember that story going away rather quickly.

Posted by: Old Blue at May 09, 2015 03:50 PM (9iR5/)

98 I'm sick of getting life threats from anti choicers.

Posted by: Suicidal Fetus at May 09, 2015 03:50 PM (XrHO0)

99 The problem is ... as I've told you ... Christians don't burn down enough shit.

Let me know when you're ready to start. I don't know how to start a rebellion ... but I'm pretty sure I know how to join one.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 09, 2015 03:50 PM (FAbks)

100 "Clue: reread the second paragraph of the post."

Sorry. Got a bit hung up on the title of the post.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 03:50 PM (KTXxI)

101 Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 03:39 PM (KTXxI)

Put it on your facebook page or twitter. Why cause grief for other people like Ace?

Posted by: ryukyu at May 09, 2015 03:51 PM (j29PP)

102 media cowards just don't want to be the next targets. I'm sure every journalist killed by Muslims would appreciate the betrayal.

but they didnt talk about them much either, did they?

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 09, 2015 03:51 PM (Cq0oW)

103 Recommended: "6 Reasons Pamela Geller's Muhammad Cartoon Contest is no different from Selma" http://goo.gl/UQfzKA

Posted by: Socratease at May 09, 2015 03:52 PM (2GbWn)

104 ***"Sorry. Got a bit hung up on the title of the post.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 03:50 PM (KTXxI) "***

Don't make your problem ours.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 03:52 PM (xSCb6)

105 looks like that Saudi King money that went into NewsCorp is paying off.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 09, 2015 03:53 PM (TV9BR)

106 (This is what happens when people talk in absolutes.)

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 03:53 PM (KTXxI)

107 another thing

aren't terrorists by definition unglued?

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 09, 2015 03:54 PM (Cq0oW)

108
97 The Big Al folks will never attack a gay parade.
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I vaguely remember reading about some yute connected to the religion of pieces up in the Pacific Northwest going around badly damaging persons of the gay persuasion. I also seem to remember that story going away rather quickly.
Posted by: Old Blue at May 09, 2015 03:50 PM (9iR5/)

I'm talking about a co-ordinated attack on a gay parade. You know, five or six gunmen mowing down folks in SF.

They won't do it. They want to do it, but they know it is a poor choice. It would be like Hitler attacking the Soviet Union.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 03:54 PM (MQEz6)

109 Sometimes I think we should have emptied-out a boomer on 9/12.

Posted by: eman

That is pretty much what the rest of the word expected. Thankfully a compassionate conservative was in office.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 09, 2015 03:54 PM (QR2WZ)

110 ***(This is what happens when people talk in absolutes.)***

No this is what happens you stay objectively stupid things.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 03:54 PM (xSCb6)

111 Semi-Related. I wrote this and posted it over at Facebook and got no likes. I was inspired by Ace's Clickbait topic yesterday, so I thought I'd get a little mileage out of it:

If ISIS had a website and wrote "Buzzfeed" style headlines:
"At first I didn't think this western journalist would wander out of the safe zone in Baghdad. But then...MOST AMUSING!"
"8 Hilarious GIFs of Martyrs Failing to Set off Their Vests. LMAO!"

"You will Not Believe This Video of 3 Females Returning From The Market
in Mosul. Slight Breeze and...Allah Be Praised, Hot Ankle Action!"
"I Did Not Think This Infidel Would Drive Over the Roadside Device. But Then...Whoa!"
"Click Here For The Page 3 Pic of the 'Hot Goat of the Day'!"

"Abdul Was So Busy Trying To Get His Surface To Air Missile to Lock On
to a NATO F-18, He Had No Idea The A-10 Warthog Was Sneaking Up Behind
Him...MARTYRED!"
"This Most Adorable Puppy Will Have You Bowing Toward Mecca With its Cuteness."
"We Strapped a GoPro Camera to an Axe and Beheaded an Infidel...We Did Not Expect What Happened Next!"
"Ten Ways Israel is Clearly Begging For Us to Invade... #4 Was My Favorite."
"10 Reasons Driving a Stickshift is Simpler Than You Might Assume."
"8 Things Infidels Always Say When Begging For Their Lives...#6 Will Make You Weep."
"When This Noble Sheik Caught His Daughter Kissing a Boy, No One Expected What Happened Next...HONOR KILLING!"
"These Western Cartoonists Did Not Expect What Was Waiting for Them..."

Posted by: SGT York at May 09, 2015 03:55 PM (Z0gJk)

112 *say

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 03:55 PM (xSCb6)

113 There's that one thing I'm forbidden by law from saying.
Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 03:49 PM (KTXxI)
******
That Amanda Knox is guilty? Ah! The feds are after me!

Posted by: High Diving Horse at May 09, 2015 03:57 PM (cIoI4)

114
109 Sometimes I think we should have emptied-out a boomer on 9/12.

Posted by: eman

That is pretty much what the rest of the word expected. Thankfully a compassionate conservative was in office.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 09, 2015 03:54 PM (QR2WZ)

The Goddess Irony points out a President Gore could have nuked like a motherfucker after 9/11 and the MSM would have backed him 100%.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 03:58 PM (MQEz6)

115 As an example, Firehorse, this black woman last week found out what happens when she posted that white cops should be killed and that she was ready to do so:

http://tinyurl.com/pzyr7xx

(Truth Revolt)

She claimed 'free speech' as well. Her bond was set at $10k.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 09, 2015 03:59 PM (ASMqD)

116 I'm generally in favor of free speech but none of you better say anything bad about Iron Butterfly.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 09, 2015 03:59 PM (LImiJ)

117 "Was it fair to the police, to knowingly put them at risk by this unnecessary provocation?"

You mean by building stores and businesses in Ferguson and Baltimore? That can be changed.

Posted by: t-bird at May 09, 2015 03:59 PM (FcR7P)

118 Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 03:53 PM (KTXxI)

Binary is too simple for you? The restrictions on speech are so easy to understand and so narrowly defined that for all intents and purposes one can say pretty much whatever one wishes to say.

If you think that what Geller says (in the form of cartoons) is close to that line, then you have a fundamental ignorance of what the Constitution says and what liberty and freedom mean, and none of my posts will help you.,

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 09, 2015 03:59 PM (Zu3d9)

119 Poop.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 09, 2015 04:00 PM (Qnltm)

120 I'm generally in favor of free speech but none of you better say anything bad about Iron Butterfly.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 09, 2015 03:59 PM (LImiJ)
---
Obligatory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlwtgaQZYDI

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 09, 2015 04:00 PM (jR7Wy)

121 Greta, would it be ok for me to ice Harry Reid?

Posted by: Mitt Romney at May 09, 2015 04:00 PM (XrHO0)

122 rrpjr, dunno about needing Hitchens. He was in fine form when rationalizing genocide and oppression and evil - back when he felt that such things, as they were predominantly practiced by enemies of America, were worth defending. Zillions of fine folks to defend civilized behavior and freedom without relying on leftovers who made their mark helping the great evil actors of the 20th century.

But what I really meant to talk about was OT - well, somebody did introduce the topic at #8, so I guess it's OK.

As I commented last night on the ONT, the Russian reporter who contributed a brief report about the WWII flyover in DC as part of a world round-up of Victory Day events for Russian state TV added a nice slap at President Bumbles, noting that the president did not participate in any ceremonies, as he was visiting a sporting goods factory (sic) out of town (Nike in Oregon).

Funny highlight of the parade - Azeri military contingent in funky camo with even funkier cyclist-type wrap-around shades leading the international section of the procession - don't they have ceremonial dress down in Baku? Also funny that the Armenian contingent, dressed more appropriately, followed right behind (thinking the whole time - "heh, we kick your cheese ass any time you mess with us, remember?").

And the Russkis haven't quite gotten the memo on "moments of silence". Putin kicked one off at the end of his remarks, and instead of silence, some sort of tolling tone over the PA system ticked off the seconds. Very annoying, completely destroyed the power of silence at such an event.

The Russian TV replay of the original June 1945 parade film, with informative notes, was actually very interesting too. Troops with working dogs, M38 carbines slung over their backs - never knew the Soviets had dogs in the fight. And the graphic in the corner showed a stripper clip of 7.62X54R .... reminding me I need to re-shellac two of my Mosin Nagants, wrap the barrel to stabilize the handguard on one, and check/fix the clip feeding on all of them.

Russian TV approvingly (of course) quoted a statement by Berlusconi saying the "boycott" of the 70th anniversary parade did not represent isolation of Russia, but the decline of the west. Agreed. As Putin himself noted, this holiday is the biggest common one shared by all the former constituents of the USSR. Showing respect - even cleverly finding a way to highlight the massive US support as an ally - at this event would have been the far smarter and classier move. It's not Putin's day, and is not seen that way by Russians (or Kazakhs, or Azeris, or others).

Oh - and they now even have their version of Rolling Thunder - mass biker rallies to commemorate military holidays. Couldn't catch the details, minus the US flags flying from the rear of the bikes, looked the same.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 09, 2015 04:02 PM (afQnV)

123 "No this is what happens you stay objectively stupid things."

A million apologies to everyone who perceived something that I didn't intend to say. I would like to take it all back, if I may.

As a different illustration, consider the music of Richard Wagner. It's banned in Israel because of the Nazis' use of it. Now, Israel prides itself on being a free society, but if we're talking in absolutes (that is, it is or it isn't) then it isn't.

I'm neither making heroes or villains out of anyone - not Pamela Gellar, not Richard Wagner, and certainly not English Bob from "Unforgiven."

This is what got me: "The legal limits on speech are obvious, narrow and understandable, and don't include upsetting homicidal maniacs." But they do, and it is complicated.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 04:03 PM (KTXxI)

124 The argument being made by the left and the media (but I repeat myself) is that Geller should have known that such free speech would incite Muslims, so she got what she deserved.
This is the same argument Muslims make for women wearing the hijab. If they don't wear it, they know that the men will rape them. So if they don't cover up, they knew better and deserved to get raped.

Both arguments assume that Muslim men cannot control themselves, and are no better than animals acting on rage and impulse.
If that is true, then why should we try to reason with them, or appease them? It will clearly not work.
We have a name for humans who can't control themselves, we call them savages.

Posted by: De at May 09, 2015 04:03 PM (xrM77)

125 if any of you faggots call me Francis I'll kill ya

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 09, 2015 04:04 PM (Cq0oW)

126 The Goddess Irony points out a President Gore could have nuked like a motherfucker after 9/11 and the MSM would have backed him 100%.
Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 03:58 PM (MQEz6)
*********
I wanted to use nukes, but I was blind so I couldn't find the button.

Posted by: Oedipus Rex at May 09, 2015 04:05 PM (cIoI4)

127 Dig, dig, dig!

Posted by: Chris Cuomo at May 09, 2015 04:05 PM (AKiDR)

128 If Van Susteren and the WaPo and the NYTimes and all the other cowardly media fools had been able to stick their microphones into the faces of the Americans falling off the Twin Towers on 9/11, no doubt their questions would have been: "Do you regret offending Muslim sensibilities? Do you wish the U.S. had apologized for everything it has done to anger Muslims? Do you support more Muslim immigration? What are you personally willing to do to make the U.S. more welcoming to Muslims?"

Of course, they would have had to ask those questions quickly, before the Americans' bodies exploded on contact with the pavement.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 09, 2015 04:05 PM (lmdHn)

129 "Both arguments assume that Muslim men cannot control themselves, and are no better than animals acting on rage and impulse.
If that is true, then why should we try to reason with them, or appease them? It will clearly not work.
We have a name for humans who can't control themselves, we call them savages.

Posted by: De at May 09, 2015 04:03 PM (xrM77)"
BINGO!

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 09, 2015 04:06 PM (TV9BR)

130 Are there riots in Londonstan?

Posted by: Bruce J at May 09, 2015 04:06 PM (iQIUe)

131 I will support and defend the Koran against all enemies foreign and domestic.

Posted by: Paul B. at May 09, 2015 04:06 PM (9MdKz)

132 Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 04:03 PM (KTXxI)

Wagner's music is not banned in Israel. Nobody wants to play it, and that is a very different thing.

And...he was an anti-Semite, so whatever issue there is in Israel is not simply that the Nazis used his music.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 09, 2015 04:07 PM (Zu3d9)

133 "
if any of you faggots call me Francis I'll kill ya"

Take it easy, Fran....er, Bigby.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 09, 2015 04:07 PM (Qnltm)

134 I'm generally in favor of free speech but none of you better say anything bad about Iron Butterfly.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 09, 2015 03:59 PM (LImiJ)
---
Obligatory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlwtgaQZYDI

-
That's a beheadin'.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 09, 2015 04:08 PM (LImiJ)

135 I may be a horse, but I really find this chicken attractive.

Posted by: Flaming Horseshit at May 09, 2015 04:08 PM (cIoI4)

136 Both arguments assume that Muslim men cannot control themselves, and are no better than animals acting on rage and impulse.
If that is true, then why should we try to reason with them, or appease them?
**********

And why should we continue to allow them to immigrate here by the millions?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 09, 2015 04:09 PM (lmdHn)

137 Greta is a lean, mean, running-away machine!

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 04:09 PM (MQEz6)

138 >>The six police officers charged in the death of Freddy Gray should be convicted and imprisoned without trial, because it is abundantly clear that were they to be found not-guilty, Everyone knows "this event would unglue some who might become violent and the police" would have "no choice but to do their jobs and be there to protect against violence.

I would add that we aren't even able to address some of the basic truths behind the decay in black urban America for fear of violence. And so we go on treating symptoms and wonder why the problem is getting worse.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 09, 2015 04:10 PM (g1DWB)

139 Firehorse is fast resembling a Paulbit.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 04:10 PM (MQEz6)

140 Left/Liberal/Progs fear plain-spoken reality as roaches fear light.

Posted by: Mike hammer, on leave from Camp Banhammer at May 09, 2015 04:10 PM (MYyT1)

141 ***"A million apologies to everyone who perceived something that I didn't intend to say. I would like to take it all back, if I may."***

A million insincere apologies are still insincere. It wasn't about our perception, it was about your clear use of language.

***"As a different illustration, consider the music of Richard Wagner.
It's banned in Israel because of the Nazis' use of it. Now, Israel
prides itself on being a free society, but if we're talking in absolutes
(that is, it is or it isn't) then it isn't."***

And to make your point about free speech (as the subject deals with the United States), you bring up Israel.

***"But they do, and it is complicated."***

You might try explaining the complexity by making a *relevant* argument instead of trying to bullshit your way out of a corner you painted yourself into.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 04:11 PM (xSCb6)

142 Anybody knows mocking religious beliefs is over the line, you xtianist godbag retards.

Posted by: Larry the Lefty at May 09, 2015 04:11 PM (oVJmc)

143 Would it have been OK with our betters if there had been some Rooftop Koreans had taken out some mostly peaceful riote...loote...protestors in Baltimore as they tried to torch their businesses? To me I would think that type of First Amendment Civil Rights action would be more than drawing the pedophile mohamed (pee be upon him).

Me thinks no.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 09, 2015 04:11 PM (TV9BR)

144 Israel hasn't banned Wagner. It's just that whenever someone tries to play it there, it gets shut down by protests:
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-case-for-wagner-in-israel

So it's a nationally-tolerated heckler-veto, not a ban.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 09, 2015 04:11 PM (AVEe1)

145 Countdown to invocation of Fire In A Crowded Theater argument...

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 04:14 PM (xSCb6)

146 Did you call for cheers and gratitude to be bestowed upon the guy who's "art" was a crucifix in urine? Or feces coated statues of Mary?

No? Hmmmppph..

Sorry... Pamela Geller doesn't deserve praise. She's not a hero. She's a media whore looking for attention, and she got it.

But I will defend to the death her right to be an idiot. That is the only thing we can agree upon.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 09, 2015 04:14 PM (UpGcq)

147 Dunno if it's been pointed out yet, but remember, Greta thinks OJ is innocent.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at May 09, 2015 04:14 PM (yxw0r)

148 "If you think that what Geller says (in the form of cartoons) is close to that line, then you have a fundamental ignorance of what the Constitution says and what liberty and freedom mean, and none of my posts will help you."

I don't. Just thinking back to when I was a kid. My high school had two arch rivals; both schools colors were purple and gold. The night before a football game against one of these schools had its share of mayhem - most harmless, some not. Anyway, the cops would patrol the town pick up any kid wearing purple and gold. The reasoning was that was a danger of violence at the hands of the purple-and-gold wearing kids or against them. On the one hand, these kis had their rights, but on the other, there was a clear, present danger that bad stuff was about.

I'm generally aware of what the Constitution says. Case law is different; there's so much of it.

I like your posts, but I'm not going to agree with them all. I hope you don't mind if I say so when that happens, and (really) I'm sorry if I crossed a line with my example.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 04:15 PM (KTXxI)

149 "145
Countdown to invocation of Fire In A Crowded Theater argument...

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 04:14 PM (xSCb6)"

Sorry bitches, I won that one days ago.

Posted by: Chris "Constitutional Scholar" Cuomo at May 09, 2015 04:15 PM (TV9BR)

150 Greta thinks?

Posted by: OTB at May 09, 2015 04:16 PM (IvZMD)

151 And to make your point about free speech (as the subject deals with the United States), you bring up Israel.
******
Heh, he did do that, didn't he?

Posted by: Flaming Horseshit at May 09, 2015 04:16 PM (XrHO0)

152 So I'm scanning the news, 8 shootings, one stabbing.
Colorado springs Hobby Lobby, nobody knows nuthin
Guy shot in Minneapolis after traffic stop
Woman with a gun shot in St Louis
Authorities ID man shot wednesday in Atlanta (drive by)
Man dies after being shot in Wichita
Chicago, 22 year old shot
New Hampshire, man stabbed, dies
LIttle Rock, police searching for suspect in cities 11th murder
Man dies in gang related shooting Tucson

Who do we blame for this mayhem?

Posted by: Crazy Uncle Ned at May 09, 2015 04:16 PM (lxMIO)

153 "Israel hasn't banned Wagner. It's just that whenever someone tries to play it there, it gets shut down by protests"

Huh. Didn't know.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 04:17 PM (KTXxI)

154 " Greta thinks OJ is innocent."

No shit? Don't watch her.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 09, 2015 04:17 PM (Qnltm)

155 Oh yay, yet another self-elevating turd who feels that they have to pre-emptively denounce Pamela Gellar as a person before making their actual relevant statement.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 04:17 PM (xSCb6)

156 So Greta believes in the power of the "heckler's veto" - the same excuse given for cancelling/rescinding the invitation to speak for conservatives like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Ann Coulter.

That's even more pathetic than claiming you want to protect the feelings of Muslims - claiming you want to protect some third party from the attacks by Muslims, as if it's Gellar who is responsible for the violence.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 09, 2015 04:18 PM (2TN4k)

157 Brave Sir Greta ran away.
Bravely ran away away.
When danger reared it's ugly head,
She bravely turned her tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Greta turned about
And gallantly she chickened out.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 09, 2015 04:18 PM (8ZskC)

158 This is getting pretty bizarre. Everyone on Fox saying the First Amendment means jack shit and Chris Hayes on MSNBC siding with Pam Gellar.

Strange times.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 09, 2015 04:19 PM (TV9BR)

159
146 Did you call for cheers and gratitude to be bestowed upon the guy who's "art" was a crucifix in urine? Or feces coated statues of Mary?

No? Hmmmppph..

Sorry... Pamela Geller doesn't deserve praise. She's not a hero. She's a media whore looking for attention, and she got it.

But I will defend to the death her right to be an idiot. That is the only thing we can agree upon.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 09, 2015 04:14 PM (UpGcq)

Point missed. Her acts were done to protect free speech by exercising it. The fact that there are folks who will kill you and others because they are pissed about a cartoon is the problem.

The fact piss Christ got no one killed is proves the listeners are what is important.

The fact we don't cheer the makers of piss Christ is totally immaterial. Liking, cheering, not liking, etc. are not important.

Killing because you don't like something is important.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 04:19 PM (MQEz6)

160 The distinction between attention-whore and hero (at least in the Greek sense) is like the distinction between a terrorist and a guerrilla.Their actions will resemble one another. It all depends on their motives.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 09, 2015 04:20 PM (AVEe1)

161 This is this generation's Selma.
It's for all Americans.
If we flinch now, we will never be able to stand for freedom of speech or the first amendment again.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 09, 2015 04:21 PM (hWqwb)

162 ok

stand how?

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 09, 2015 04:22 PM (Cq0oW)

163 I guess ol' Thomas Paine was an attention whore too then.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 09, 2015 04:22 PM (JO9+V)

164 I think that's one of the main things police are for: to protect and defend our rights.

Maybe, under these new rules, women should be prosecuted in Dearbornistan for wearing western clothes.

Posted by: Old Hob at May 09, 2015 04:22 PM (DkXQB)

165 ***"I'm generally aware of what the Constitution says. Case law is different; there's so much of it.

...

and (really) I'm sorry if I
crossed a line with my example."***

The only line you crossed was the stupid line. Make a case and stop thinking that simply stating "Case law is complicated!" suffices for a rational argument.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 04:22 PM (xSCb6)

166 Theater!!!

Posted by: Crowded Firehouse at May 09, 2015 04:23 PM (KFdZd)

167 If people that believe in the First Amendment decide that anyone that doesn't needs them some killin is that OK with the FOX news crew and our other betters that we then start with the killin?

You know because they should have known better.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 09, 2015 04:23 PM (TV9BR)

168 "the goat-humping, gay-killing, woman beating maniacs of Islam?"

I prefer:" Psychopathic, idol-worshiping savages."

Question: How bat-shit CRAZY do you have to be to want to kill someone over a picture??

Answer: Islamic crazy

Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at May 09, 2015 04:23 PM (mXMK3)

169 I think that's one of the main things police are for: to protect and defend our rights.

======

no

but thats the story and they stick to it

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 09, 2015 04:24 PM (Cq0oW)

170 A musical interpretation of the Christina Sommers controversy.

I'm generally in favor of free speech but none of you better say anything bad about Iron Butterfly.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 09, 2015 03:59 PM (LImiJ)
---
Obligatory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlwtgaQZYDI

Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 09, 2015 04:25 PM (LImiJ)

171 How bat-shit CRAZY do you have to be to want to kill someone over a picture??

======

wait. we talkin Gigli?

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 09, 2015 04:26 PM (Cq0oW)

172 Everybody Draw Xenu!

Posted by: Pmzey at May 09, 2015 04:26 PM (pmzey)

173 Question: How bat-shit CRAZY do you have to be to want to kill someone over a picture??

Yo!

Posted by: Imperator Leo III the Isaurian at May 09, 2015 04:26 PM (AVEe1)

174 You might try explaining the complexity by making a *relevant* argument instead of trying to bullshit your way out of a corner you painted yourself into.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 04:11 PM (xSCb6)
________

OK. Here goes. CBD said this:

"This is not complicated. The legal limits on speech are obvious, narrow and understandable, and don't include upsetting homicidal maniacs."

If it's binary, then there's no narrow, or obvious, or understandable. If there either is or isn't not absolute freedom of speech, then the the legal limits on speech are nonexistent.

You think I'm an obtuse dick? Premise granted. I'm also a citizen and legal resident of the United States. I'm also quite stupid, remember, so what's obvious to you will go over my head.

Muhammed cartoons make a legitimate free-speech discussion - not because our society should respect a religion's rules but because there's a very good chance that violence will ensue.

Do you not get this?

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 04:26 PM (KTXxI)

175 What this country needs is Bomb-Head Mohammed stickers. On everything.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at May 09, 2015 04:26 PM (8W5zZ)

176 Lots of nutjobs regularly make violent threats to Fox News. Should Murdoch shut the whole network down? Because I'm sure lots of security and cops would be endangered if FNC keeps making money off of First Amendment rights.

Maybe the Secret Service should be disbanded and the President should never leave the White House because that endangers the lives of the agents

The MSM including Fox News is just Pravda with better wardrobes now

Posted by: kbdabear at May 09, 2015 04:26 PM (GrXXa)

177 Whoa. Got some sort of cross contamination there.

https://t.co/Cz344TIzYU

Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 09, 2015 04:27 PM (LImiJ)

178 "Freedom of Speech" A dreadful tinny sort of phrase.

Posted by: Chapman at May 09, 2015 04:28 PM (JO9+V)

179 Say what you want about Tom Cruise but I did admire
him for one thing he said/did. When he was filming Stauffenberg they
asked him if he wd like to meet with Rochus Misch, the bunker telephone
operator Hitler's body guard. Cruise refused, stating, evil is
still evil, no matter how old he is. And Cruise was right.

Posted by: Bruce J at May 09, 2015 03:00 PM (iQIUe)

And Rochus Misch was just a flunky, about as low on the totem pole as one could be in that particular little crowd. As low as one could be without being an outright servant, like a cook or chambermaid, I guess. I don't see him as being especially evil; just an ordinary guy that got caught up in an evil enterprise. I think Cruise blew it on that one.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 09, 2015 04:28 PM (AciT3)

180 Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 04:26 PM (KTXxI)

Well, then accept the veto from the killers or stand up for free speech.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 04:29 PM (MQEz6)

181 Oh - and they now even have their version of Rolling Thunder - mass biker rallies to commemorate military holidays. Couldn't catch the details, minus the US flags flying from the rear of the bikes, looked the same.
Posted by: rhomboid

The Night Wolves. They tried to parade through Estonia, I think, last week. The border guards told them to piss off.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 09, 2015 04:29 PM (K7krX)

182 not because our society should respect a religion's rules but because there's a very good chance that violence will ensue

======

ah.

this is also why, historically, we never went further west than Massachusetts Bay and the Indians still rule the Americas

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 09, 2015 04:30 PM (Cq0oW)

183 It's really very simple. Hate speech against minorities or Islam is verboten, even if what you say is true.

All hate speech against whites males and Christianity, however, is protected.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at May 09, 2015 04:30 PM (V70Uh)

184 Say what you want about Tom Cruise but I did admire him for one thing he said/did. When he was filming Stauffenberg they asked him if he wd like to meet with Rochus Misch, the bunker telephone operator & Hitler's body guard. Cruise refused, stating, evil is still evil, no matter how old he is. And Cruise was right.

Posted by: Bruce J at May 09, 2015 03:00 PM (iQIUe)

Since we're going off to the side here a bit: I get your point, and I understand what Cruise was thinking but that was a missed opportunity if ever there was one. That was a front-row seat to history and he threw it away. Schade.

Posted by: Bill H at May 09, 2015 04:30 PM (XBe5A)

185 One thing that maybe a lot of people are missing in this whole conversation. Gert Wildeers (?) was also giving a speech at the same venue. Because the aerated jihadis cannot be questioned, no one can say with certainty who was the target. PG, GW, or both?

Posted by: Old Blue at May 09, 2015 04:31 PM (9iR5/)

186 Here is my stab at it.

http://___ur.com/NaJWnfg

Posted by: Pmzey at May 09, 2015 04:31 PM (pmzey)

187 Yoko Ono says she had a romantic fling with Hillary Cankles Clinton in the 70's.

-

(((Shudder)))

Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 09, 2015 03:23 PM (LImiJ)

Funny. Chelsea doesn't look Japanese.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 09, 2015 04:31 PM (AciT3)

188
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't.

It's pretty safe to assume that those coming out against Geller are solidly in the ranks of those who don't.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at May 09, 2015 04:31 PM (VLTL9)

189 I have been putting it off. But...Since Baltimore and Garland, when I get home from being un-armed in Israel. I am getting my concealed permit.

Posted by: Kafiroon at May 09, 2015 04:32 PM (zehZp)

190 Muhammed cartoons make a legitimate free-speech
discussion - not because our society should respect a religion's rules
but because there's a very good chance that violence will ensue.

Do you not get this?

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015

We're all responsible for our own actions. If I say something that offends you and you then decide to kill me in your homicidal rage -- are you at fault, or am I? According to your logic, I am. According to the law, you are.

Got it?

Posted by: elaine at May 09, 2015 04:32 PM (Y0Piu)

191 So Gellar is a jerk?

How is it that I can listen to the comedy radio station and hear a variety of comedians do a bit about how ignorant Christians are? Or Hollywood can make insulting movies and tv shows about Christians, that it's OK to write books slamming Christians?

Why are these people not provocative jerks and Gellar is?

It has nothing to do with a difference in how they behave, it has to do with how differently Muslims behave when their religions is mocked.
And they need to get over it - they don't deserve special treatment because they have thin skin.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 09, 2015 04:32 PM (2TN4k)

192 Islamic crazy

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The whorehouse heaven religion.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 09, 2015 04:32 PM (LImiJ)

193 One of Geller's ad campaigns calls members of Hamas 'savages'. It caused much butthurt.

If she had used the same term to describe the Baltimore rioters, I bet she wouldn't have as many defenders -- even here. Hell, TFG used the term 'thugs' and refused to take it back when Butthurt Central went into overdrive over 'that coded racist word'.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 09, 2015 04:33 PM (ASMqD)

194 If we flinch now, we will never be able to stand for freedom of speech or the first amendment again.

Posted by: Diogenes

Bad news. We flinched and are still flinching.

The people are confused, in part, because the Media arbitrates every event, and creates a Facebook - type childish Like/dislike phoney paradigm. The people are also confused because more people than ever are not able to think and decide for themselves.

Part of the ...."Road to Socialism". Destroying the conscience of the individual.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at May 09, 2015 04:33 PM (+1T7c)

195 Violence that comes from seeing a cartoon does not come from the cartoon, it comes from the guy who sees it.

Violence that comes from speech that advocates violence comes from the speaker and from the listener who acts on that speech.

Firehorse, if you are a troll, you are not important, but if you are not a troll, try to understand.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 04:33 PM (MQEz6)

196
Sometimes I think we should have emptied-out a boomer on 9/12.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 03:37 PM (MQEz6)

^^^^this^^^^

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 09, 2015 04:33 PM (AciT3)

197 Whoa. Got some sort of cross contamination there.

https://t.co/Cz344TIzYU
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 09, 2015 04:27 PM (LImiJ)
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BWAhaha! Hilarious!

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 09, 2015 04:34 PM (jR7Wy)

198 The first amendment is one of the most misunderstood of the ten amendments in the bill of rights, except maybe the second amnedment which even though it is written plainly the liberals don't like it and the courts until recently backed them up.

The problem with the first amendment regarding speech is that it was originally intended to apply only to the federal government and it was originally only intended for political speech.

Then the courts got involved. I think the first was the first one of the bill of rights that was "incorporated" to apply to the States as well as the federal. This was done out of another one of those bad cases that ultimately made bad law. IIRC it arose out of a case of "seditious libel" about a local politician. I won't spend the time to look it up but that is what I remember. And subsequent rulings have been all over the board trying to iron out the problems with new rulings after the first awful one.

Be that it may, it is settled law now and now the only one of the BOR not incorporated is the one that calls for the use of a Grand Jury in felony cases.

The second has now been incorporated but the Supremes put "conditions" on it that are not in the wording and the cities like Chicago and Washington have thumbed their nose at the rulings.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 09, 2015 04:34 PM (wlDny)

199 Muhammed cartoons make a legitimate free-speech discussion - not because our society should respect a religion's rules but because there's a very good chance that violence will ensue.

Do you not get this?

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 04:26 PM (KTXxI)

And thus you bow to the very idea of Terrorism.

If they did not threaten... it they did not terrorize... this free speech would not even be questioned.

Thus, you surrender... Dhimmi....

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 09, 2015 04:34 PM (qh617)

200 Posted by: elaine at May 09, 2015 04:32 PM (Y0Piu)

No, but ZING! We'll just say you won, because ZING!

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 04:36 PM (KTXxI)

201
"She's a media whore looking for attention, and she got it."

I've heard this kind of comment a lot lately referring to anybody who is broadcasting a message with some visibility and effectiveness that somebody else doesn't like. The fact is, you cannot prove this. Or if you think you can, please try. It's just a quick and lazy way of de-legitimizing somebody.

Posted by: rrpjr at May 09, 2015 04:36 PM (s/yC1)

202 It may not make any difference soon. There are socialists in Congress that want to rewrite the first, among other amendments.

Posted by: Old Blue at May 09, 2015 04:37 PM (9iR5/)

203 >>Muhammed cartoons make a legitimate free-speech discussion - not because our society should respect a religion's rules but because there's a very good chance that violence will ensue.

That way lies madness. What if the jihadis decided tomorrow that we weren't allowed to use the word America because they view it as a trigger?

No, the entire purpose of the 1st Amendment is to protect not just normal speech but speech some might consider inflammatory. You don't need protection for happy talk.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 09, 2015 04:37 PM (g1DWB)

204 The distaste by van Susteren for having religions publicly criticized is because she herself is an adherent of a religion which has always been extremely unhappy about public critique. Simple as that.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 09, 2015 04:38 PM (noWW6)

205 Okay, all doubt erased, FireHorse is a troll.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 04:38 PM (MQEz6)

206 What if the jihadis decided tomorrow that we weren't allowed to use the word America because they view it as a trigger?
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Already happening in Texas, I think. A guy flying the US flag had complaints to the HOA from mooselimbs that his flag was triggering them and they wanted it taken down.

Posted by: Old Blue at May 09, 2015 04:39 PM (9iR5/)

207 Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 04:26 PM (KTXxI)

***If it's binary, then there's no narrow, or obvious,
or understandable. If there either is or isn't not absolute freedom of
speech, then the the legal limits on speech are nonexistent.***

The fact that there are narrow legal limits on speech doesn't negate the binary nature of free speech. When that speech impinges upon another's constitutional rights, you have an obvious and understandable distinction. And yes, the case law supports this.

***You think I'm an obtuse dick?***

Nope, that's apparently your opinion. I just don't think you're very bright as evidenced by the arguments you're failing to make.

***"Muhammed cartoons make a legitimate free-speech discussion - not because our society should respect a religion's rules but because
there's a very good chance that violence will ensue."***

The case law, which you seem fond of invoking but not citing, does not support anything that remotely concedes to criminally violent behavior by Islamists.

***"Do you not get this?"***

You're not really in any position to ask this question, but I'm sure you'll treat us all to more vague and irrelevant pronouncements with a smattering of factual inaccuracies (Wagner bans in Israel come to mind).

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 04:39 PM (xSCb6)

208 It waz the Joos.

Posted by: Greta Van Garbo at May 09, 2015 04:39 PM (Dwehj)

209 Here is a funny thought.

Achmed dies and goes to 72-virgin heaven.

At first it's great. 72 beautiful women. But over the course of the next 100 years, while he stays young. They do not. In little over 40 years, he has 72 vile harpies to deal with in every moment for the rest of time.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at May 09, 2015 04:40 PM (V70Uh)

210 No, the entire purpose of the 1st Amendment is to protect not just normal speech but speech some might consider inflammatory. You don't need protection for happy talk.

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I don't know. Many's the time I've looked longingly at a hatchet while Barney is on.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 09, 2015 04:41 PM (LImiJ)

211 >>Already happening in Texas, I think. A guy flying the US flag had complaints to the HOA from mooselimbs that his flag was triggering them and they wanted it taken down.

And there you go.

I think a much better response to those who are condemning Geller is fuck you. She at least has the balls to take a stand and demonstrate that giving in to these savages just increases the pain.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 09, 2015 04:41 PM (g1DWB)

212 Already happening in Texas, I think. A guy flying the US flag had complaints to the HOA from mooselimbs that his flag was triggering them and they wanted it taken down.

Posted by: Old Blue at May 09, 2015 04:39 PM (9iR5/)

California.... Students suspended for wearing an American Flag shirt on some fake Mexican holiday...

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 09, 2015 04:41 PM (qh617)

213 I don't care if Pamela Geller, Geert Wilders and Robert Spencer get into a lengthy bisexual orgy and stream it on youtube.

Pim Fortuyn probably beat them all to it anyway.

None of that matters to the point being made.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 09, 2015 04:42 PM (AVEe1)

214 There are 10 kinds of people. Those who accept me as a woman and those who mistake me for one.
Posted by: Bruce Jenner at May 09, 2015 03:32 PM (XrHO0)

Make that 11 kiinds of people; add those who think you are a psychologically damaged man who imagines sexual mutilation in the autumn of your life will make up for the previous six decades of personal dysfunction.

Posted by: jwpaine at May 09, 2015 04:42 PM (0bXhD)

215 I don't know. Many's the time I've looked longingly at a hatchet while Barney is on.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 09, 2015 04:41 PM (LImiJ)
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I once made a Barney pinata for a party and the parents in the crowd beat poor Barney to a paper mache pulpy pulp.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 09, 2015 04:42 PM (jR7Wy)

216 I guess ol' Thomas Paine was an attention whore too then.

Posted by: Count de Monet

He pwovoked the Bwitish! Perhaps the most powahful nation in the world at the time. What was he thinking?

Posted by: Greta van Thusteren at May 09, 2015 04:42 PM (+1T7c)

217 Maybe someday on lve TV somebody will have had enough and will tell some Lefty douchecanoe to go fuck herself.

I hope I live long enough to see that.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 04:42 PM (MQEz6)

218 >>One of Geller's ad campaigns calls members of Hamas 'savages'. It caused much butthurt.

You're referring to her NYC subway posters that read:
"In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat Jihad"

This was a take on something that Ayn Rand said. And it only specifies that the jihadis are savages - is that not an apt description of terrorists?

Posted by: Lizzy at May 09, 2015 04:43 PM (2TN4k)

219 Yoko and Hillary scissoring?

Yeesh! The NOISE!
Posted by: The Neighbors at May 09, 2015 03:30 PM (aUlhk)

No- that was the Plastic Ono Band.

Posted by: Bill H at May 09, 2015 04:43 PM (XBe5A)

220 War is never the answer.

ok, sometimes it is the solution, but...

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 09, 2015 04:44 PM (XmOA9)

221 Maybe someday on lve TV somebody will have had enough and will tell some Lefty douchecanoe to go fuck herself.

I hope I live long enough to see that.

I was banned for life from MTV.

Posted by: Andrew Dice Clay at May 09, 2015 04:45 PM (JO9+V)

222 "...petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

There seems to be a lot of that going around on the left.

Posted by: PiperPaul at May 09, 2015 04:45 PM (vhm6I)

223 Yoko: Gee, Hillary, you look really tense. Maybe you need a massage.

Hillary: Yeah, it's been a rough day and a massage would be great.

*guitar music begins*

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 04:45 PM (MQEz6)

224 >>I don't know. Many's the time I've looked longingly at a hatchet while Barney is on.

True story. I used to live in the Back Bay section of Boston. There is a nice park separating the lanes of Commonwealth Ave where people go for walks, bike ride, etc. I used to take my dog for a walk there.

Over the years people have donated trees and benches often in the name of someone else. Barney Frank's family planted a tree for him as a graduation present (I think) and there is a little sign mounted in the grass in front of the tree stating it.

My dog decided to take a nice big steamer right on the sign. I cleaned up most of it but left a little turd as my free speech response to Barney.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 09, 2015 04:47 PM (g1DWB)

225 Muhammed cartoons make a legitimate free-speech
discussion - not because our society should respect a religion's rules
but because there's a very good chance that violence will ensue.

Do you not get this?

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 04:26 PM (KTXxI)

What part of the term "heckler's veto" do you not understand, idiot?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 09, 2015 04:48 PM (AciT3)

226 Looks like my trolldar needs recalibrating.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 04:49 PM (xSCb6)

227 What part of the term "heckler's veto" do you not understand, idiot?

But they're "attention whores". SQUIRREL!

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 09, 2015 04:49 PM (AVEe1)

228
1. Free speech. Period. Duh.
2. OT, but I cannot get the articles I read on WZ out of my mind. Women and girls being sold and married as many as twenty times, surgically re-virginized each time because otherwise they are impure.

Posted by: Justamom at May 09, 2015 04:49 PM (sVnbw)

229 OT: Leftists going full Baltimore in London.

http://tinyurl.com/ptgtcr4

Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 09, 2015 04:53 PM (LImiJ)

230
A friend told me during the late 60's, Hillary was engaging male hookers to bounce her taco, and she also didn't pay her taxes.

Posted by: Capitol Police Undercover at May 09, 2015 04:56 PM (P330y)

231 Does that make them muslim.

Posted by: OTB at May 09, 2015 04:56 PM (IvZMD)

232 It's like this:

Listen and understand. That Jihadi is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 04:56 PM (MQEz6)

233 Posted by: JackStraw at May 09, 2015 04:47 PM (g1DWB)

How old is it?

Posted by: Bawney Fwank at May 09, 2015 04:59 PM (j29PP)

234 Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 09, 2015 04:53 PM (LImiJ)

But, election have consequences! And of course, consequences - like truth, free speech, and gender - aren't absolute.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 05:00 PM (xSCb6)

235 ..not the dog

Posted by: Bawney Fwank at May 09, 2015 05:00 PM (j29PP)

236 /s

oops, forgot to close the sarc tag.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 09, 2015 05:01 PM (xSCb6)

237 @229
Obviously they can't have elections in London if they're going to provoke riots. It would be better to not have any elections at all so they can live in peace with their neighbors.

Will there be riots here if Hillary! doesn't get elected? Or if the GOP wins? Maybe it would be better to have Obama stay on and keep the peace, because we wouldn't want to make anyone angry enough to riot. Better not take the chance, wouldn't be prudent.

Who's going to riot if Obama remains to stand up for the oppressed peoples and fight for equal rights against the oppressors.

Posted by: Crazy Uncle Ned at May 09, 2015 05:01 PM (lxMIO)

238 From a little book I once read a long time ago, in a country far away from the one we are in now:

"...As to liberty, the heroes who signed the great document pledged themselves to buy liberty with their lives. Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes. Of all the so-called natural human rights that have ever been invented, liberty is least likely to be cheap, and is never free of cost."

So while we think we MAY have the right to speak freely (liberty of speech), it is likely that tyrants of several stripes (not the least of which are the home -grown variety in government and in the media) would like to trim that to satisfy their own urges to control what people say (and think). So in reality, controlling speech is the beginning to controlling thought.

The reaction to Pam Geller is an interesting phenomenon then, in self-identifying those who actually believe in freedom, and those others who like to control thoughts and minds, and who actually DON'T believe in freedom.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at May 09, 2015 05:01 PM (+1T7c)

239 Funny: the motto of America's police has for years been:

"To Protect and to Serve".

I guess Greta missed that.

I also think the comments about her plastic surgery are cheap shots, and add nothing to the discussion.

Nor do sneers at her pseudo-religion belong here. If anything, they resemble those of atheists who jeer at ALL religions. What's the point?

IRC Ace is a lawyer. He knows such comments in court, in a brief, etc . would get a lawyer's pee-pee whacked, good and hard. Let's stick to the arguments, on the merits.

Posted by: Learned Hand at May 09, 2015 05:01 PM (FkgZk)

240 Late to the thread and probably OT by now but, great post, CBD!!

Posted by: Peaches at May 09, 2015 05:02 PM (EgOr3)

241 232
They have their Achilles heel. Pork. At Silver Bullet Gun Oil they claim allah won't let the martyr enter paradise if they have the smell of swine on them. There is also a urban legend concerning Blackjack Pershing dealing with them in the past.

Posted by: OTB at May 09, 2015 05:03 PM (IvZMD)

242 It doesn't take any research to find out that Geller has been doing the draw Mohammed contest for almost 10 years. What is different now? If these creeps hadn't gone after the event it would have passed under the radar again. It seems the only ones who aren't lazy are the terrorists

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at May 09, 2015 05:03 PM (fv+UE)

243 239 Funny: the motto of America's police has for years been:

"To Protect and to Serve".

I guess Greta missed that.

I also think the comments about her plastic surgery are cheap shots, and add nothing to the discussion.

Nor do sneers at her pseudo-religion belong here. If anything, they resemble those of atheists who jeer at ALL religions. What's the point?

IRC Ace is a lawyer. He knows such comments in court, in a brief, etc . would get a lawyer's pee-pee whacked, good and hard. Let's stick to the arguments, on the merits.
Posted by: Learned Hand at May 09, 2015 05:01 PM (FkgZk)

Seriously?

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 05:04 PM (MQEz6)

244 So, little Abdul blows himself up and goes to his paradise. George Washington comes up and kicks him in the ass. Hmm, thinks Abdul. This is strange. Then Thomas Jefferson walks up and backhands him to the floor while Robert E Lee curb stomps him. WTF, thinks Abdul, this is not what I was promised. A booming voice says, "I said 72 Virginians, dumbass."

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 09, 2015 05:05 PM (KFdZd)

245 >>Nor do sneers at her pseudo-religion belong here. If anything, they resemble those of atheists who jeer at ALL religions. What's the point?

If you haven't seen it you should watch the documentary on Scientology, Going Clear, that came out not to long ago. Scientology is a scam and not a religion.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 09, 2015 05:05 PM (g1DWB)

246 Of course, we know, that neither of the dead jihadis had even considered jihad, ISIS support, etc, until they heard there was a cartoon event.

Posted by: biscuits mahoney at May 09, 2015 05:06 PM (qhsVo)

247 all trolls are average joe who sucks cock by choice

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 09, 2015 05:06 PM (AVEe1)

248 Firehorse is basing his argument on the "fighting words" doctrine which arose from Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, We had a long discussion about that a few days ago.

What he is missing in that doctrine is the part of the ruling "words .... said to another which the average person would take such offense at that violence would ensue".

Muzzie terrorists hardly qualify as "average people". In fact, they are savages who have reverted to a 6th century tribal cult.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 09, 2015 05:07 PM (wlDny)

249 244
So, little Abdul blows himself up and goes to his paradise. George
Washington comes up and kicks him in the ass. Hmm, thinks Abdul. This
is strange. Then Thomas Jefferson walks up and backhands him to the
floor while Robert E Lee curb stomps him. WTF, thinks Abdul, this is not
what I was promised. A booming voice says, "I said 72 Virginians,
dumbass."

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 09, 2015 05:05 PM (KFdZd)

Damn I like that.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 09, 2015 05:08 PM (wlDny)

250 Re Yoko and Hillary:

"Word has it" that Huma Abedin is the female Gene Simmons. IYKWIM....

I challenge her to a contest---but not one having anything to do with Her Cankleship.

(shudder)

Let's make it fair:

Me and Kate Upton

Huma and Donna Shalaylaylaylayla...

Posted by: Gene Simmons at May 09, 2015 05:08 PM (FkgZk)

251 Nood. Open thread with puppy.

Posted by: Y-not at May 09, 2015 05:09 PM (9BRsg)

252 I should apologize. I said the Brits had gone full Baltimore. In fact, I haven't seen a single roll of toilet paper being stolen.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 09, 2015 05:09 PM (LImiJ)

253 OT, here's how this evening is shaping up, over here:

... Winter Storm Warning in effect from 9 PM this evening to 9 am MDT Sunday...

The National Weather Service in Denver has issued a Winter Storm Warning for snow and blowing snow... which is in effect from 9 PM this evening to 9 am MDT Sunday. The Winter Storm Watch is no longer in effect.

* Timing... the rain will switch quickly over to snow by 9 PM and continue until mid morning Sunday.

* Snow accumulations... storm totals 5 to 10 inches.

* Wind/visibility... north to northeast 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph developing late tonight and Sunday morning. Visibility will drop below a quarter mile in the snow and blowing snow.

* Impacts... travel will become difficult and hazardous due to heavy snow... snow covered roads and poor visibility. The wet heavy snow will weigh down trees and break branches. Some power outages may also occur.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

A Winter Storm Warning for heavy snow means severe winter weather conditions are expected or occurring. Significant amounts of snow are forecast that will make travel dangerous. Only travel in an emergency. If you must travel... keep an extra flashlight... food... and water in your vehicle in case of an emergency.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 09, 2015 05:09 PM (AVEe1)

254 What part of the term "heckler's veto" do you not understand, idiot?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

/pedant
'Assassin's Veto' is the correct term here.
/pedant

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 09, 2015 05:09 PM (K7krX)

255 Kinda hard not to make fun of a "religion" that bilks you for all you're worth before youfind out the secret that an intergalactic warlord sent our souls here to imprison them in a volcano and then nuked the volcano.

Or something like that.

Posted by: Bill-0 at May 09, 2015 05:10 PM (HstNY)

256 Posted by: Learned Hand at May 09, 2015 05:01 PM (FkgZk)

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Discussion about free speech and you want to limit what we can say.

facepalm

Posted by: OTB at May 09, 2015 05:10 PM (IvZMD)

257 "Drawing Muhammad offends Islamic jihadists? So does being Jewish."

So does being Christian. Or believing another religion than Islam. Or having no religion. Or being Muslim and not being a jihadist. Or being Muslim and doing something they don't like. Basically everybody offends them. Maybe even themselves.

Sorry, I have no interest in giving up my religion and telling Achmed Fremont what he did was a good thing just so he won't wish me into the blast zone, and neither, I suspect, do you.

Posted by: Rich Fader at May 09, 2015 05:11 PM (LeeQi)

258 "Drawing Muhammad offends Islamic jihadists? So does being Jewish."

So does being Christian. Or believing another religion than Islam. Or having no religion. Or being Muslim and not being a jihadist. Or being Muslim and doing something they don't like. Basically everybody offends them. Maybe even themselves.

Sorry, I have no interest in giving up my religion and telling Achmed Fremont what he did was a good thing just so he won't wish me into the blast zone, and neither, I suspect, do you.

Posted by: Rich Fader at May 09, 2015 05:11 PM (LeeQi)

259 You have to give Greta one thing. She can never be accused of talking out of both sides of her mouth!

Posted by: tbd at May 09, 2015 05:17 PM (jQdD1)

260 What part of the term "heckler's veto" do you not understand, idiot?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 09, 2015 04:48 PM
(AciT3)
________

First Amendment case law addresses what's a clear and present danger to society. First Amendment case law also raised the question about whether President Kennedy's widow is a public figure or private citizen and how close can a photographer get to her and her kids. This went before the Supreme Court, twice, and the justices came back with two different answers.

My point: It's complicated. Simple disagreement with the author of this post. That's all I'm saying.

No hard feelings, dolt. OK?

Posted by: FireHorse at May 09, 2015 05:18 PM (KTXxI)

261 256 Posted by: Learned Hand at May 09, 2015 05:01 PM (FkgZk)

------------------------------------------------
Discussion about free speech and you want to limit what we can say.

facepalm
***
No, the discussion was what Greta said about the limits of free speech, not "about free speech" in the abstract.

Jeering at her face or pseudo-religion adds nothing about the topic at hand. It is the "ad hominem" fallacy writ large, very large.

Posted by: Learned Hand at May 09, 2015 05:20 PM (FkgZk)

262 No, the discussion was what Greta said about the limits of free speech, not "about free speech" in the abstract.

Jeering at her face or pseudo-religion adds nothing about the topic at hand. It is the "ad hominem" fallacy writ large, very large.
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Free speech is like that. People say all kinds of things. Not everyone agrees with what everyone says. Not everything is on task. Without it being a right only the rich and the bully would have free speech.

Posted by: OTB at May 09, 2015 05:28 PM (IvZMD)

263 Posted by: Learned Hand at May 09, 2015 05:20 PM (FkgZk)

Concern noted.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 05:30 PM (MQEz6)

264 I watched the Clear show on HBO and the only thing I need to know was the IRS was the one to declare it a "Religion".

Posted by: Skip at May 09, 2015 05:35 PM (AS3xu)

265 I agree with it all with the exception of attacking Greta's face.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at May 09, 2015 05:37 PM (TIgJq)

266 Greta and all the others who said yes, free speech, but not that speech should be forced to wear a scarlet letter C for chicken, outlined in yellow. Perhaps we should write SHAME underneath. Cowards. Betrayers of Americans and all those citizens of the world who wish for our version of Constitutional rights. Do we shoot people for drawing God or pissing on Christ? We might want to, but NO, we vigorously disagree instead. This country must have no tolerance for criminals/murderers. Get that, Greta. Shame.

Posted by: pyromancer76 at May 09, 2015 06:08 PM (zvcr8)

267 As I commented last night on the ONT, the Russian reporter who contributed a brief report about the WWII flyover in DC as part of a world round-up of Victory Day events for Russian state TV added a nice slap at President Bumbles, noting that the president did not participate in any ceremonies, as he was visiting a sporting goods factory (sic) out of town (Nike in Oregon).
Posted by: rhomboid at May 09, 2015 04:02 PM

Not that I expected better from that asshat, but I find it one of the more disgraceful things done by Obama, skipping the 70 anniversary commemoration of VE Day. And that's saying something. He's done worse, but those things were illegal, not just disgraceful.

Posted by: Farmer at May 09, 2015 06:30 PM (o/90i)

268 IRC Ace is a lawyer. He knows such comments in court, in a brief, etc . would get a lawyer's pee-pee whacked, good and hard. Let's stick to the arguments, on the merits.
Posted by: Learned Hand at May 09, 2015 05:01 PM (FkgZk)

*********

No he's not.

Posted by: Gay Briel Malhereusement at May 09, 2015 07:17 PM (cIoI4)

269 As a technical matter, I don't understand the disagreement. The First Amendment applies to GOVERNMENT censorship of speech, not private censorship or disapproval. If Greta doesn't like it, so what? The last I heard, she worked for News Corporation, which is not the government. She has no responsibility to like what I say or anyone else. News Corporation has no responsibility to like what I say, or to put me on the air or anyone else. Megyn, right after Greta, was very solid on the issue. Hannity did put on Pamela Gellar and the London jackass. Does News Corporation not have a First Amendment right not to be censored by the government for its point of view? As for the rest of us, we can either watch Greta, or not. It has nothing to do with the Constitution, it is just between us and our boob tubes.

Now, if the City of Garland had tried to shut down the event because of the content, then there would be a First Amendment issue (actually, I heard that they did, but were threatened with litigation that they would clearly lose, but I could be wrong about that). You might make a subtle argument that the City of Garland could have refused to provide security, but (a) it clearly did provide security, and it worked spectacularly, and (b) if it had not, there would have been lots of Texans willing to do so. So problem solved. She held the event, got righteous PR for the cause, and the world is down two terrorists today. Win, win, win.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 09, 2015 07:29 PM (t2m1Y)

270 108

97 The Big Al folks will never attack a gay parade.

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I vaguely remember reading about some yute connected to the religion
of pieces up in the Pacific Northwest going around badly damaging
persons of the gay persuasion. I also seem to remember that story going
away rather quickly.

Posted by: Old Blue at May 09, 2015 03:50 PM (9iR5/)

I'm talking about a co-ordinated attack on a gay parade. You know, five or six gunmen mowing down folks in SF.

They won't do it. They want to do it, but they know it is a poor choice. It would be like Hitler attacking the Soviet Union.

Posted by: eman at May 09, 2015 03:54 PM (MQEz6)

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I have been waiting for a long time for the ghey pride parade outside the mosque on Friday, you know, in support of the ghey Muslims who can't come out of the closet and have to settle for the male goats and think about Abdul.
If the revolution ever wins, it will be entertaining to see the infighting between the ghey and Muslim fellow travelers. My money is on the suicide bombers.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 09, 2015 07:31 PM (t2m1Y)

271 So, the feeble-minded Left claim we have the right to free speech except for the murderer's veto.

Posted by: Tantor at May 09, 2015 08:31 PM (20H2N)

272 Well put OpenBlogger, well put! It is nice that we are finally seeing thought to the appeasers that are FOX. They had me fooled for a while.

Posted by: Rob in Katy at May 09, 2015 10:01 PM (eYTQP)

273 Free speech? That hasn't been a right in a long time. The scumbags that make and enforce 'laws' killed that a while back.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my hate cannot be found) at May 09, 2015 10:11 PM (l7Kbv)

274 268 IRC Ace is a lawyer. He knows such comments in court, in a brief, etc . would get a lawyer's pee-pee whacked, good and hard. Let's stick to the arguments, on the merits.
Posted by: Learned Hand at May 09, 2015 05:01 PM (FkgZk)

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No he's not.

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OK, I''ll rephrase.

Intelligent people, people educated in logic and logical fallacies, know what arguing "on the merits" means. I think Ace does too. Let's stick to the arguments, on the merits.

I hope that helps to clarify your confusion.

Posted by: Noam Sayen at May 09, 2015 11:51 PM (FkgZk)

275 OK, I''ll rephrase.

Intelligent people, people educated in logic and logical fallacies, know what arguing "on the merits" means. I think Ace does too. Let's stick to the arguments, on the merits.

I hope that helps to clarify your confusion.

*****

So you fucked up with your words and now need to absolve them of their confusion about what you said, by being a fucking condescending Douchebag. Interesting strategy.

Posted by: The Barrel at May 10, 2015 12:54 AM (Q6IL/)

276 Shedding sock

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 10, 2015 12:55 AM (Q6IL/)

277

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2015 04:41 AM (wlDny)

278 What happened to the "fundamental concepts" post by Weird Dave? It was excellent.

Geez, I hope I you didn't delete it to make space for a post about free speech.....

Posted by: Fen at May 10, 2015 09:43 AM (zhb21)

279 Well stated -it will bear repeating often, as those on the left have become quite comfortable with their more fascist tendencies

Posted by: Rex Mundi at May 10, 2015 01:45 PM (Nnt42)

280 Well, for me , this is really simple. We need to have at LEAST one "draw Mohamed" cartoon contest every week. You simply set up the 'KILL ZONES' , and when the muslims show up, they get eliminated. Should take care of a few of our 'home grown' idiots. Oh-- One more thing, for all you dumb asses (including Greta, Juan Williams, etc) saying Geller should not be inciting hatred-- Shut the FUCK up. Free speech is one of the issues I and all my military brothers past and present have fought for. Free MEANS free, no more no less.

Posted by: rld77 at May 10, 2015 02:17 PM (x8SZV)

281 In Britain many have become unglued because the wrong party won the election.

Posted by: deepred at May 10, 2015 06:26 PM (xv5cf)

282 I put it down to the effort to eliminate capital punishment.

If we all have to live together, the mushy will push for us to become more tolerant rather than punish all the time.

Into the 1960s, this cop would have been the story for his marksmanship.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at May 10, 2015 09:43 PM (8rRE+)

283 I put it down to the effort to eliminate capital punishment.

If we all have to live together, the mushy will push for us to become more tolerant rather than punish all the time.

Into the 1960s, this cop would have been the story for his marksmanship.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at May 10, 2015 09:43 PM (8rRE+)

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