Is It Time to Formally Separate America Into Two Or More Sovereign Countries?

The fascist SJWs, and their easy way with all corporations (such as GoFundMe), plus Saturday night spurred me to say aloud what I've thought to myself for years:

It's time to begin seriously discussing secession.

As the man says: the center cannot hold.

No one actually seems happy in this national marriage.

It's time to admit this and separate.

Update: GoFundMe has taken down another fundraiser page for another Christian besieged by radical homosexual zealots.

Posted by: Ace at 05:16 PM




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1 I'm ready. Let's do it.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 27, 2015 05:17 PM (lmdHn)

2 Hi.

Posted by: Insert Clever Name Here at April 27, 2015 05:18 PM (XMX7O)

3 nonsense.

Posted by: mark morris at April 27, 2015 05:18 PM (mQyVW)

4 There will be blood. Lots of it.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 27, 2015 05:19 PM (TOk1P)

5 I keep wondering if there really are that many SJWs out there or if it is the same dozen people and some scripts/bots. (and willing, craven businesses, eager to be eaten last..)

Posted by: Insert Clever Name Here at April 27, 2015 05:19 PM (XMX7O)

6 Classic shot of a Baltimore SJW.

http://tinyurl.com/mh8xdyh

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 27, 2015 05:19 PM (XUKZU)

7 Will somebody please tell Shep to shut the fuck up??

Posted by: JoeF. at April 27, 2015 05:20 PM (bK6dC)

8 Yes!

Only problem: the major urban areas are all filthy with SJW tyranny, and the rural areas aren't. There is no clean geographical break.

But maybe with some kind of free trade agreement we could just have the major cities be blue country and everybody else be red.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at April 27, 2015 05:20 PM (ElEyp)

9 Ace,

What is your view on whether the Left would allow that?

Posted by: Grad School Fool at April 27, 2015 05:20 PM (A9KzJ)

10 don't reward the divide and conquer tactic. just win, baby.

Posted by: mark morris at April 27, 2015 05:20 PM (mQyVW)

11

>>>No one actually seems happy in this national marriage.





Posted by: Ace at 05:16 PM



<<<




Welcome to the party, pal.

Posted by: Bill and Hill at April 27, 2015 05:20 PM (1FyZ2)

12 They can have Baltimore.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 27, 2015 05:20 PM (48QDY)

13 Yes!!!!!
Go with Cubs fans / losers who like lesser teams

Oh, packers fans we'll just sell to Russia

Posted by: Navycopjoe Playing bass at April 27, 2015 05:20 PM (vk43t)

14 Ace,
Said this on the last thread: I'm beginning to suspect we're past the opportunity for an amicable divorce. Speaking for myself, I'm willing to let cooler heads prevail...

...but this bitch is long past due for kicking to the curb.

Posted by: SGTYork at April 27, 2015 05:21 PM (/yNLK)

15 It begins tonight.....

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell's Perfectly Pierced Clitoris at April 27, 2015 05:21 PM (XlHZs)

16
https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ

Posted by: The Left at April 27, 2015 05:21 PM (bLnSU)

17 Ahhh, I was wondering what triggered Ace.

Looks like it was the gofundme thing. That was a big slap in my face as well

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at April 27, 2015 05:21 PM (h53OH)

18 Yes. I want to leave MA for Texas. I have to convince older brother.
At least a Red State vs this horrible state.

Posted by: Carol at April 27, 2015 05:21 PM (sj3Ax)

19 I'm not sure how this could work. Will you be willing to move South Ace?

Posted by: freaked at April 27, 2015 05:21 PM (JdEZJ)

20 Posted by: JoeF. at April 27, 2015 05:20 PM (bK6dC)

Gutfeld just about did.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 27, 2015 05:21 PM (48QDY)

21 We are beyond the point of salvaging the wreckage. I have gone from the "let it burn" camp, to the "let them burn" camp. Bring on the divorce

Posted by: Rich at April 27, 2015 05:21 PM (J2AJ8)

22 Gutfeld mixing it up with Shep on Fox. Good times.

Posted by: Mister Christopher (in Atlanta!) at April 27, 2015 05:21 PM (SLJ40)

23 Back the Republic of 1787!

Posted by: toby928(C) at April 27, 2015 05:21 PM (evdj2)

24 Gutfeld was just giving it to Shep. Good for him.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 27, 2015 05:22 PM (bK6dC)

25 At this point, the two sides are irreconcilable. Something is going to happen.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at April 27, 2015 05:22 PM (q20+R)

26 Impossible their project cannot work without our funding it and they know it. This is a shotgun marriage and hard working decent folk the hapless groom.

We are in this till they suck every last cent from us they can. They know their socialist dystopia cannot work without our $$$.

Nice idea but will never happen.

Posted by: Tantumblogo at April 27, 2015 05:22 PM (K/p7v)

27 Can I post the Texas Declaration of Independence here?

Posted by: Lauren at April 27, 2015 05:22 PM (MYCIw)

28 As long as we don't get stuck with Baltimore.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 27, 2015 05:22 PM (ZPrif)

29 I'm all for it. And I would move also, especially if I can stick the Blue State I live in with all my debt

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 27, 2015 05:22 PM (rDqRv)

30 find the common ground: the value of liberty and the appeal of prosperity.

Posted by: mark morris at April 27, 2015 05:23 PM (mQyVW)

31 I have gone from the "let it burn" camp, to the "let them burn" camp. Bring on the divorce
Posted by: Rich at April 27, 2015 05:21 PM (J2AJ


THIS.

I'm totally OK with people learning why certain values are enduring values.

Like, oh, those values embodied in the Federalist papers.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 27, 2015 05:23 PM (V+kmg)

32 The answer may get me banned, but the country cannot be physically split to satisfy both sides. We need a different type of activity, a cleansing of sorts.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 27, 2015 05:23 PM (c0co6)

33
I've said it before... but...

Liberals need conservatives for economic activity, agriculture, security and national defense, and social stability.

Consevatives need liberals for......... well.... not a dman thing.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 27, 2015 05:23 PM (xrURQ)

34 and so it begins

Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at April 27, 2015 05:23 PM (evdj2)

35 >>As the man says: the center cannot hold.

The man said something else about what happens when the center cannot hold. Something about anarchy being loosed on the world.

He wasn't for it.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2015 05:23 PM (g1DWB)

36 Ace, you can't divorce a bunny boiler.

Posted by: @votermom at April 27, 2015 05:23 PM (8i7dG)

37 Hey I don't give a rat's ass about these weeping willoe stories. YOU DON'T RIOT AND LOOT.

Fuck this shoot them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 27, 2015 05:23 PM (rDqRv)

38 The division should be as follows:
We get all counties that went red in the last presidential election. They get the blue counties.

Posted by: SGTYork at April 27, 2015 05:23 PM (/yNLK)

39 ace,

Do we not remember what happened last time certain states decided to secede from the union?

I'm just saying... there is no way that this country would have an "amicable" divorce.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 27, 2015 05:24 PM (AkOaV)

40 The Baltimore City Anthem:

In the sweet old town
Where I come from
Nobody ever works
Nothing ever gets done.
Hang fire!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 27, 2015 05:24 PM (XUKZU)

41 Shep was basically talking non-stop hitting all the old, moldy libtard talking points from the 60's...

Posted by: JoeF. at April 27, 2015 05:24 PM (bK6dC)

42 Where are the papers? Give me a pen, and let's sign this and be done with it...

Posted by: Ian Galt at April 27, 2015 05:24 PM (dmepw)

43 What stops a bully? Beat them and then tell them (and their followers, supporters, and in the wings younguns) that they lost. We would need a 10,000 strong army of lawyers to start destroying the lives of leftists and tell the world why.

The Greeks wrote about this 3000 yes ago. This tribal retaliation is always justified...on both sides... And always ends in blood and tears.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at April 27, 2015 05:24 PM (OZYAR)

44 India seems pretty happy they scuttled Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Posted by: Lester at April 27, 2015 05:24 PM (2UPXV)

45 37. This!!!
Looting would stop on a dime

Posted by: Navycopjoe Playing bass at April 27, 2015 05:24 PM (vk43t)

46 >> all filthy with SJW tyranny,<<<


Heh. I read that as SJW TRANNY

Posted by: Sphynx at April 27, 2015 05:24 PM (OZmbA)

47 When a government has ceased to protect the lives, liberty and property of the people, from whom its legitimate powers are derived, and for the advancement of whose happiness it was instituted, and so far from being a guarantee for the enjoyment of those inestimable and inalienable rights, becomes an instrument in the hands of evil rulers for their oppression.

When the Federal Republican Constitution of their country, which they have sworn to support, no longer has a substantial existence, and the whole nature of their government has been forcibly changed, without their consent, from a restricted federative republic, composed of sovereign states, to a consolidated central military despotism, in which every interest is disregarded but that of the army and the priesthood, both the eternal enemies of civil liberty, the everready minions of power, and the usual instruments of tyrants.

When, long after the spirit of the constitution has departed, moderation is at length so far lost by those in power, that even the semblance of freedom is removed, and the forms themselves of the constitution discontinued, and so far from their petitions and remonstrances being regarded, the agents who bear them are thrown into dungeons, and mercenary armies sent forth to force a new government upon them at the point of the bayonet.

When, in consequence of such acts of malfeasance and abdication on the part of the government, anarchy prevails, and civil society is dissolved into its original elements. In such a crisis, the first law of nature, the right of self-preservation, the inherent and inalienable rights of the people to appeal to first principles, and take their political affairs into their own hands in extreme cases, enjoins it as a right towards themselves, and a sacred obligation to their posterity, to abolish such government, and create another in its stead, calculated to rescue them from impending dangers, and to secure their future welfare and happiness.

Posted by: Lauren at April 27, 2015 05:24 PM (MYCIw)

48 They get the NE and W coasts, we get the Gulf coast and flyover land.

The prog-lib trail of tears from places like Minneapolis, Denver, and Austin will of course be regrettable, but those folks would all rather be in Seattle, San Fran, or Boston anyway, right?

Posted by: filbert at April 27, 2015 05:25 PM (S6a2J)

49 Shep was basically talking non-stop hitting all the old, moldy libtard talking points from the 60's...
Posted by: JoeF. at April 27, 2015 05:24 PM (bK6dC)

You do know he is gay right?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 27, 2015 05:25 PM (rDqRv)

50 How does that satisfy their desire to make us suffer?

Posted by: Glen at April 27, 2015 05:25 PM (1x4u/)

51 I need a macro for my Secede in Place comment.

Posted by: toby928(C) at April 27, 2015 05:25 PM (evdj2)

52 We have been in a cold civil war for several years (at least since 2000, probably since Clinton's second term) and if it can be done peacefully, I'm all for it.

Even without a peaceful secession, there may be no alternative. The left is acting lawlessly with impunity--Obama on immigration, the IRS attacking conservatives, Hillary disregarding security and email requirements and also taking bribes/contributions through her foundation, riots in Baltimore and other cities that only cause 'cosmetic' damage, etc. On the other hand conservatives are brought up on criminal charges for so-called crimes when they've done nothing wrong (see Rick Perry, Texas and Governor Walker's supporters in Wisconsin). This is the first step in a totalitarian state but won't be the last.

If the left wants high taxes, generous welfare, carbon restrictions and limits on GMO food, let them have it.

Posted by: Rachel Jeantel at April 27, 2015 05:25 PM (y5bPZ)

53 The apologists are out in full force on Fox.

Wonder what they would say about the Horde's decades of oppression because of government detachment and the mood here?

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 27, 2015 05:25 PM (48QDY)

54 I'm getting to the point where I'd be fine with it. But I don't think the Left will accept it. As often as some amongst them say they wish "Jesusland" would just go away and not be part of America anymore, they're not interested in peaceful separation. They want us to either convert or, failing that, to shut up. I imagine they will pull out all the stops to prevent Right America from seceding, and if that doesn't work, they'll try to infiltrate its institutions, just like they did with the Long March after the '60s.

Posted by: T at April 27, 2015 05:25 PM (OOFfb)

55 It's not like a dozen SJWs, but it's thousands and not millions. And relatively few do use bots, sock accounts on twitter, etc.

But those who fund all that are wealthy, and those who report on it all are complicit, and those who adjudicate have made it their career to get power over you and use it.

That whole "limited government" thing seems like a *really* good idea, especially now that we've lost the limits.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 27, 2015 05:26 PM (bLnSU)

56 Will somebody please tell Shemp to shut the fuck up??

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Why I ought ta . . . .

- Moe

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 27, 2015 05:26 PM (XUKZU)

57 The divorce analogy sounds great... until you realize there are over 300 million spouses. The chances of it not getting bloody are about... what's one, unhappy, bloody couple times 150 million?

Posted by: BurtTC at April 27, 2015 05:26 PM (TOk1P)

58 It's past time.

Unfortunately you need to have some kind of a plan to do it, it's not a switch you can flip.

Do we divide by states? There's plenty of purplish states that would be American if not for a big blue cancer. Do we divide by counties instead? That would be my preference, but the map's going to be funny looking.

Posted by: Methos at April 27, 2015 05:26 PM (ZbV+0)

59 >>I'm just saying... there is no way that this country would have an "amicable" divorce.

Exactly. I'm not familiar with any case of a country splitting up without war.

Anyone who thinks we could just agree to split without violence is kidding themselves. Or they've never been through a divorce.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2015 05:26 PM (g1DWB)

60 I'm in. Do the Libprogs get the good fishing spots? If so, will I need a visa to go to them?

Posted by: Hank at April 27, 2015 05:26 PM (Qgapy)

61 Less than a generation the Asian immigrants to America have made it, many hispanics are making it, but the Afro- American Community can't and it is all whitey's fault?

I don't think so

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 27, 2015 05:26 PM (rDqRv)

62 So how does it work? Do we get passports per state? Do we have new SSN's that contribute different amounts from our paycheck depending on if we are 'ruled' by the Republic of Texas instead of the Peoples Democratic Republic of California?

Do we have to move? Is there any way to compel the Left to let our people go? Are we going to have to kill a bunch of people to make this happen?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 27, 2015 05:27 PM (pWzW/)

63 Video interviews seem to show not just anger, but fear in the eyes of some black community leaders.
They are beginning to realize that they can not control this.
And the perps are the youth of the city.

Posted by: VIA, Live from Baltimore at April 27, 2015 05:27 PM (VPLuQ)

64 "I'm just saying... there is no way that this country would have an "amicable" divorce."

The battle of San Jacinto lasted 18 minutes.

Posted by: Lauren at April 27, 2015 05:27 PM (MYCIw)

65 A national divorce would be an extremely bloody affair. As has been pointed out, the institutional Left cannot and will not tolerate the existence of differing beliefs and viewpoints, let alone allow those people to go their own way in peace.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2015 05:27 PM (mx5oN)

66 I think that this is probably the only way to preserve the ideal that was America, but if it every truly got to the stage of serious discussion, the socialists and the dependent would be crying and whining so loudly that the squish segment of the right would pull back.

Plus, if it did ever happen, the socialist part of the country would immediately become subject to take over - low hanging fruit (no pun intended) and the conservative country probably feel some idiotic notion of obligation to their former - and I use the term verrry loosely - brethren, that we'd probably be drawn in.

Count me in, though.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 27, 2015 05:27 PM (BZAd3)

67 How does one split America between the mostly urban liberals and the mostly rural conservatives?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 27, 2015 05:27 PM (0NdlF)

68 Franklin Grahams Samaritans Purse is collecting for the persecuted Christians.

Posted by: palolojo at April 27, 2015 05:27 PM (Pdldh)

69 Posted by: filbert at April 27, 2015 05:25 PM
Another great migration. Buy out the the ones who want to go to Progville and vice versa. If they don't own anything they can take the bus.

Posted by: Lester at April 27, 2015 05:27 PM (2UPXV)

70
Shit... Weve been in a civil cold war since the publication of "Communist Manifesto"...

Posted by: fixerupper at April 27, 2015 05:27 PM (o/3Hk)

71 <<I'm getting to the point where I'd be fine with it. But I don't think the Left will accept it.>>

Give a fuck, I do not.

Posted by: SGTYork at April 27, 2015 05:27 PM (/yNLK)

72 Here's the big problem: they won't let us go. It's no fun for them unless they've got a neck to stomp on.

Posted by: Kensington at April 27, 2015 05:27 PM (7Kbxu)

73 It's not a marriage. It's ownership. We are the chattel.

Posted by: @votermom at April 27, 2015 05:28 PM (UYzxz)

74 Something about anarchy being loosed on the world.



He wasn't for it.

Posted by: JackStraw


Mere anarchy. I"m not sure why he felt the need to put "mere" into it, but it helps somehow, as if pointing out the banality of the evil that usually does humanity in. Anarchy is the right word, though. Entropy will always win, but I'd prefer it if it held off for awhile.

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2015 05:28 PM (LAe3v)

75 Step One in independence for the sovereign states is to move out of Daddy's basement.

State governments should start peeling themselves loose from the huge dependence many states have on Federal funding. It's been a great ride for state politicians: passing goodies to constituents without raising state taxes, but as long as the dependence is there, the obedience will be, too.

Even nominally conservative states suck vast amount from the Federal teat.

Nothing is ever going to happen on the front of moving back to real Federalism, including Mark Levin's Liberty Amendment idea, while the Feds can withhold Federal highway, health, you-name-it funds.

Start there. Then see where it goes.

Posted by: TB at April 27, 2015 05:28 PM (8u/5i)

76 Wait a minute, we're already giving more than 1/3rd of our stuff to lawyers.

Posted by: DaveA at April 27, 2015 05:28 PM (DL2i+)

77 How does one split America between the mostly urban liberals and the mostly rural conservatives?
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That is the crux of the problem. And then there's the 50-50 suburbs.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 27, 2015 05:28 PM (ZPrif)

78 A few States might be able to exit without a fight, but once the dominoes start to fall and the Fed sees it's meal-ticket slipping away, all-out war will ensue.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at April 27, 2015 05:28 PM (CrJzY)

79 At last!

For years I've urged secession its wonderful to see a prominent conservative voice finally speaking out for it

Posted by: Rick Perry's Parakeet at April 27, 2015 05:28 PM (AeVNR)

80 Hate to be Debby Downer, but fascist governments don't just let people walk away.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 27, 2015 05:28 PM (Q/rld)

81 "The answer may get me banned, but the country cannot be physically split to satisfy both sides. We need a different type of activity, a cleansing of sorts."

I disagree - Conservatives simply need to abandon the two coasts. May be hard on them, but it was hard for the Jews who left Germany in the 1930's too. Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, we have lots of room left.

I see at least 3 new nations being formed, if not 5 or 6. California will probably go it alone, Pacific Northwest, Boswash & Northeast, Southeast (old Confederacy, mostly), and Texas and it's allies, which will include most of the Mississippi River States.

There will have to be some large population shifts, just like happened between India and Pakistan in 1947, but that's what we've come to.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 27, 2015 05:28 PM (Kpl3J)

82 The GoFundMe thing kind of puts a huge underline on the question, doesn't it?

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 27, 2015 05:28 PM (BZAd3)

83 >>They get the NE and W coasts, we get the Gulf coast and flyover land.

Fuck that. I'm not doing the "You get the house and I'll live in a trailer" kind of divorce.

We get all the land and they can get the hell out.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2015 05:28 PM (g1DWB)

84 As far as the blood thing is concerned, thanks to Fredo holder and their commie kind, blood will flow in this Country. It's a sure thing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 27, 2015 05:28 PM (rDqRv)

85 This is really my favorite part:

"When, long after the spirit of the constitution has departed, moderation is at length so far lost by those in power, that even the semblance of freedom is removed, and the forms themselves of the constitution discontinued, and so far from their petitions and remonstrances being regarded, the agents who bear them are thrown into dungeons, and mercenary armies sent forth to force a new government upon them at the point of the bayonet. "

Posted by: Lauren at April 27, 2015 05:29 PM (MYCIw)

86 I am ALL for an amicable divorce...I just don't see it happening. The liberals will never, ever give up wanting to control everything. Kind of like islam.

The problem is a liberal, collective society ALWAYS fails eventually. This society will fail as well. I think instead of working on a divorce, maybe we work on an alternate, shadow society that will survive as the liberal society fails. I don't know how. Just spit-balling.

I like my starship idea.. but that might take a while.

Posted by: jjod at April 27, 2015 05:29 PM (0r7PZ)

87 Here's the big problem: they won't let us go. It's no fun for them unless they've got a neck to stomp on.

Second part of that - they can't let us go. They're parasites that rely on a host for survival.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 27, 2015 05:29 PM (0NdlF)

88 Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2015 05:26 PM (g1DWB)

Czech Republic and Slovakia .

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 27, 2015 05:29 PM (dBm7S)

89 <<Exactly. I'm not familiar with any case of a country splitting up without war.>>

See Lithuania, Latvia, and other members of the former Soviet Union.

Posted by: SGTYork at April 27, 2015 05:29 PM (/yNLK)

90 When a government has ceased to protect the lives, liberty and property of the people, from whom its legitimate powers are derived, and for the advancement of whose happiness it was instituted, and so far from being a guarantee for the enjoyment of those inestimable and inalienable rights, becomes an instrument in the hands of evil rulers for their oppression.

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When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 27, 2015 05:29 PM (XUKZU)

91 Not secession, but de-annexing. Rural and suburban areas seperating from the larger metro urban areas. Rural areas around the nation select a new capital with new reps and senators, being divorced from DC, and letting the urban areas keep sucking DC's dick.

Posted by: Soona at April 27, 2015 05:29 PM (/HX7u)

92 My opposition to the divorce idea is two fold:
The Left will prevent it
All the stuff belongs to us in the first place

Posted by: Grad School Fool at April 27, 2015 05:29 PM (A9KzJ)

93 We "mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor ...."

Eh, fuggit, won't work.

Posted by: Founding Fathers 2015 at April 27, 2015 05:29 PM (7YFuT)

94 Exactly. I'm not familiar with any case of a country splitting up without war.



Anyone who thinks we could just agree to split without violence is kidding themselves. Or they've never been through a divorce.

Posted by: JackStraw


Czechoslovakia?

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2015 05:30 PM (LAe3v)

95 67
How does one split America between the mostly urban liberals and the mostly rural conservatives?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 27, 2015 05:27 PM

Liberal cities in Prog Land will get really big and cities in Non-Prog Land will get dinky. Cities grow or shrink and die all the time. Look at Detroit.

Posted by: Lester at April 27, 2015 05:30 PM (2UPXV)

96 Why is it so hard for people with balls to start business that would fill the SJW-caused vacuums? Is it that hard to start a crowd-funding website?

Posted by: FDR's TV at April 27, 2015 05:30 PM (hJq98)

97 Anyone who thinks we could just agree to split without violence is kidding themselves. Or they've never been through a divorce.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2015 05:26 PM (g1DWB)


I look forward the the grainy sex tapes played for the court.

*shifty eyes*

You know....for justice and all that good stuff.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 27, 2015 05:30 PM (V+kmg)

98 To be clear, it is too hard for me to do it.

Posted by: FDR's TV at April 27, 2015 05:30 PM (hJq98)

99
Well.... Looks like the Administration has gotten to GoFundMe.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 27, 2015 05:30 PM (o/3Hk)

100 The left will never let the people who work in this country leave. Who would support their lazy lay-abouts?

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 27, 2015 05:30 PM (TJCSB)

101 Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 27, 2015 05:27 PM (0NdlF)

I guess hire the same people that draw the congressional maps?

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 27, 2015 05:31 PM (AkOaV)

102 @94

The English commonwealth post WWII?

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 27, 2015 05:31 PM (t06LC)

103 The problem with a divorce of the left and right is the fact that the right pays the freight.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 27, 2015 05:31 PM (c0co6)

104 I told you that gofuckme was a racket...and we ought to be in it.

Fuck these fucks. It's time to set up our Own Shit so we can Call The Shots.

Our own political party.
Our own PAC.
Our own media outlets.
Our own businesses.
Our own polling firm.
Our own goddam gofundme.

Gofundme? Those assholes take a steep vig just for acting as brokers. Any asshole with a server and a bank account can do that.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 27, 2015 05:31 PM (Tk6Z0)

105 There is going to be no national divorce, we either fight or we die either figuratively or quite possibly literally.

There is no other alternative to conflict.

We tried the live and let live approach and what has that gotten us?

70 year old cake bakers driven to penury.

I wouldn't be surprised if the left makes a push to deprive them of state and federal welfare benefits, not at all.

Fight or die, they are leaving us no choice.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 27, 2015 05:31 PM (F/9QB)

106 >>Mere anarchy. I"m not sure why he felt the need to put "mere" into it, but it helps somehow, as if pointing out the banality of the evil that usually does humanity in. Anarchy is the right word, though. Entropy will always win, but I'd prefer it if it held off for awhile.

Probably because Yeats was a Brit. Mere is from Latin merus which means pure.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2015 05:31 PM (g1DWB)

107 Liberal cities in Prog Land will get really big and cities in Non-Prog Land will get dinky. Cities grow or shrink and die all the time. Look at Detroit.

The suggestion was to split into two American countries.

That does not answer the logistics of it - do you expect it to be two countries intermingled?

Cities of one country enveloped by the land of another, across a continent?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 27, 2015 05:32 PM (0NdlF)

108 How does one split America between the mostly urban liberals and the mostly rural conservatives?

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We've got the food and the oil. They've got the condescension and the SJWs. Seems fair.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 27, 2015 05:32 PM (XUKZU)

109 "Exactly. I'm not familiar with any case of a country splitting up without war. "



Czechoslovakia.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 27, 2015 05:32 PM (LA7Cm)

110 The violence is pretty much over in Baltimore. Time to let the healing begin. By healing I mean set up the big screen and down some oxy from CS.

Posted by: Emotional Protestor at April 27, 2015 05:32 PM (xQX/f)

111 "? Is it that hard to start a crowd-funding website?"

Wasn't the DOJ going after the money that gun manufacturers have in their bank accounts? I imagine they'd do something similar to any conservative crowd funding effort.

Posted by: Lauren at April 27, 2015 05:32 PM (MYCIw)

112 So GoFundMe can deny services -- but Christian businesses can't?

Got it.


Posted by: Beverly at April 27, 2015 05:32 PM (U7ssf)

113 and that's how it started...

Posted by: Gmac- Pulling in feelers in preperation... at April 27, 2015 05:32 PM (4CRfK)

114 I put on Twitter earlier today Fred Thompson quote saying we need to dig up Founding Fathers before it's too late.

Posted by: Carol at April 27, 2015 05:32 PM (sj3Ax)

115
First thing we all need to do:

STOP GIVING THE LEFT YOUR MONEY.

Before you spend even a dollar, ask yourselves: Is any of this going in the pockets of People Who Hate Me?

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 27, 2015 05:32 PM (Tk6Z0)

116 Anyone who thinks we could just agree to split without violence is kidding themselves. Or they've never been through a divorce.
_____________________

No doubt there would be violence. But what is the alternative? Continuing to allow these fascists to trample on us? There comes a point at which we must act. And we have reached that point.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 27, 2015 05:33 PM (lmdHn)

117 Thinking in terms of geography might be old fashioned. What's to stop the Nazis from ruining a bakery in Texas.

Posted by: kansas at April 27, 2015 05:33 PM (vqsBK)

118 Probably because Yeats was a Brit. Mere is from Latin merus which means pure.

Posted by: JackStraw


Thanks. I did not know that.

Posted by: pep at April 27, 2015 05:33 PM (LAe3v)

119 I've gotta say, this makes for an interesting dilemma to a Constitutionalist Unionist.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 27, 2015 05:33 PM (0NdlF)

120 How does one split America between the mostly urban liberals and the mostly rural conservatives?

With fire.

Posted by: toby928(C) at April 27, 2015 05:33 PM (evdj2)

121 The left will never let the people who work in this country leave. Who would support their lazy lay-abouts?

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The East Germans had a similar concern.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 27, 2015 05:33 PM (XUKZU)

122 About time you figured out I was right!

Posted by: Jefferson Davis, President CSA at April 27, 2015 05:34 PM (z7tRX)

123 Fuck that. I'm not doing the "You get the house and I'll live in a trailer" kind of divorce.

We get all the land and they can get the hell out.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2015 05:28 PM (g1DWB)


Yeah, but the way I see it, my way, they are the ones getting the trailer.

Posted by: filbert at April 27, 2015 05:34 PM (S6a2J)

124 you don't separate or secede from your enemies; you destroy them



Posted by: Rupert Wombat, O.B.E. at April 27, 2015 05:34 PM (8CdUx)

125 Anyone who thinks we could just agree to split without violence is kidding themselves. Or they've never been through a divorce.

A friend had the She went nutz, wanted to go and he let her type. Worked out ok, even got a country song.

Posted by: DaveA at April 27, 2015 05:34 PM (DL2i+)

126 Anyone who thinks we could just agree to split without violence is kidding themselves. Or they've never been through a divorce.

Posted by: JackStraw

Czechoslovakia?
Posted by: pep

Czechoslovakia is different. The Czechs and Slovaks were never together in a country until post WW1. Splitting was just going back to the way things had been. And both sides wanted it. And the Czechoslovak government wasn't run by fascist oligarchs at the time.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 27, 2015 05:34 PM (Q/rld)

127 They want us to either convert or, failing that, to shut up die.

FIFY.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 27, 2015 05:34 PM (/kI1Q)

128 Wait. You all have the actors and agencies backwards. It is THEY that have seceded/revolted by setting up territories, bureaucratic fiefdoms, agencies of force(!). And most of it unAmerican and unconstitutional.

*We* are not leaving. They left. The left left.

Unfortunately, the logical conclusion is to send in a few NG battalions to "restore order" (shoot the EPA and the EPA's swat team) and "restore liberty".

Typing treatises on my phone may not be the best idea...

Posted by: Tonic Dog at April 27, 2015 05:34 PM (OZYAR)

129 GoFundMe is actively discriminating against Christians

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 27, 2015 05:34 PM (c0co6)

130 No, ace, it's not. It is time, however, for us to grow a pair and tell the minority of SJW types to fvck off.

Posted by: anon a mouse at April 27, 2015 05:34 PM (KnbYp)

131 >>Thanks. I did not know that.

I am a veritable font of useless trivia.

By the way, Yeats may have been Irish. I can't remember, I've tried to put that painful experience of 10th grade English class behind me.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2015 05:35 PM (g1DWB)

132 Must agree with #87 by conservative monster. Even more, they know they cannot even begin to afford to let us go. Their socialist republic would be bankrupt in months.

Posted by: Tantumblogo at April 27, 2015 05:35 PM (K/p7v)

133 This is what happens when you elect a false messiah and he doesn't deliver.

You still believe, but you misdirect your anger.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 27, 2015 05:35 PM (L2xDv)

134 F' that Filbert. Washington, Oregon California are all fully red, just slightly east of the coast we could use the central Imperial Valley California farm land. Cut off the water and San Francisco, LA San Diego are ours in a year.

Posted by: Pmain at April 27, 2015 05:35 PM (A36AM)

135 Just as soon as Obama's DOJ turns local law enforcement into a branch of the TSA then we'll be safe, and all this unpleasantness will just a a footnote in the history books.

Posted by: Geof Pinsetter at April 27, 2015 05:35 PM (xWQfi)

136 The communist liberals have a veritable metric buttload of countries that are in line with their views. We liberty-minded folk have precisely one. This one.

So tell me why the commie-libs can't just move to a country that thinks like they do? I am not willing to divide this nation in two. THEY need to leave.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my hate cannot be found) at April 27, 2015 05:35 PM (O9qtX)

137 We are in a marriage where divorce is not allowed.
The abused spouse is expected to shut up and take it.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 27, 2015 05:35 PM (W5DcG)

138 Texas must secede first

Then the red states must demand that no action be taken against them

With one secession complete the rest will follow

Posted by: Rick Perry's Parakeet at April 27, 2015 05:36 PM (AeVNR)

139 Posted by: Beverly at April 27, 2015 05:32 PM (U7ssf)

Strange huh?

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 27, 2015 05:36 PM (48QDY)

140 Before you spend even a dollar, ask yourselves: Is any of this going in the pockets of People Who Hate Me?

Gonna stop paying your taxes?

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 27, 2015 05:36 PM (/kI1Q)

141 124 you don't separate or secede from your enemies; you destroy them

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Sinister delenda est.

Posted by: @votermom at April 27, 2015 05:36 PM (cbfNE)

142 They want us to either convert or, failing that, to shut up. I imagine
they will pull out all the stops to prevent Right America from seceding,
and if that doesn't work, they'll try to infiltrate its institutions,
just like they did with the Long March after the '60s.


And becaue of this, the new country will not be quite what we would ideally prefer. There will have to be safeguards against foreign encroachment.

Posted by: Methos at April 27, 2015 05:36 PM (ZbV+0)

143 Yes, very, very unfortunately, breaking off the progs would be messy and violent and NOT A GOOD THING.

but what's the alternative? They aren 't going to stop. They are on the train to Finland station. You know what else is violent? Gulags and purges and lynch mobs. Not metaphorical gulags and purges and lynch mobs. Real ones. That's the future.

Oh, that's unthinkable. That couldn't happen here.

Oh, yeah?

How long ago was it unthinkable that the President would encourage mobs to destroy businesses and random thugs to assassinate policemen? Two years ago?

How long ago was it unthinkable that the State would bankrupt someone for life for having the wrong opinions, and then the "private" corporate sphere would squash our effort to support them? One year ago? Six months ago?

Get over your Munich mindset. You can't appease the beast and hope for the best.

I'm already looking for ways to get a passport to some foreign country for my family, in case we have to bug out. Paranoid? Nah.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at April 27, 2015 05:36 PM (ElEyp)

144 Holy shit Shep is going full retard live on TV.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2015 05:36 PM (g1DWB)

145 If the Left despise us so much we should be able to Tom Sawyer them to agree to a peaceful split. You got to make them think it's their idea.

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 27, 2015 05:36 PM (dBm7S)

146 Pretty sure the Czechs and Slovaks *were* in a country. The Habsburg Empire.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 27, 2015 05:36 PM (IcJmI)

147 <<Exactly. I'm not familiar with any case of a country splitting up without war.>>

See Lithuania, Latvia, and other members of the former Soviet Union.

Posted by: SGTYork


Sweden and Norway.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 27, 2015 05:36 PM (KhFZp)

148 Shep is losing.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 27, 2015 05:36 PM (48QDY)

149 Something I learned recently: Do you know who brought the term "Social Justice" to prominence in America?

Father Coughlin, the angry anti-Semite absolutely loathed by the Left.

Want proof? It was the name of his magazine. Look it up.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 27, 2015 05:37 PM (L2xDv)

150 Holy shit Shep is going full retard live on TV.

So, just like every other day.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 27, 2015 05:37 PM (W5DcG)

151
who gets the carriers?

Posted by: kj at April 27, 2015 05:38 PM (lKyWE)

152 Shut up Shep.

Posted by: redenzo at April 27, 2015 05:38 PM (WCnJW)

153 'radical homosexual zealots'

kind of like

'radical Islam', 'radical Muslims', 'radical leftists' etc.

It's radicals all the way down, folks.

I agree and concur.

Let the Radical States of America secede.

Posted by: some random meathead at April 27, 2015 05:38 PM (NUCTk)

154 Hey Shep, years and years under democrat control.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at April 27, 2015 05:38 PM (YCG8H)

155 Shemp on fox is fucking hilarious, and he isn't even trying to be!

Posted by: Dan at April 27, 2015 05:38 PM (COpZ4)

156 Past time.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 27, 2015 05:38 PM (/Ho8c)

157 Good so now they are shitting on thier own neighborhoods

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 27, 2015 05:38 PM (rDqRv)

158 Moe needs to slap Shemp.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 27, 2015 05:38 PM (W5DcG)

159 I also think this idea amounts to surrender. I don't like it even while finding it an unrealistic pipe dream.

Never happen. We fight here and now or die. But I personally believe this nation now accursed by God and doomed. Even still, charity demands I fight.

Posted by: Tantumblogo at April 27, 2015 05:38 PM (K/p7v)

160 Somebody needs to bake Shep a cake.

Posted by: Greg Gutfeld at April 27, 2015 05:39 PM (1FyZ2)

161 There would have to be a geographic split. The Mason Dixon line looks as good as any to me. How many people would be willing to move North or South depending on their alignment? Would they be willing to leave their homes, jobs, family etc?

It would be a hard choice for many. Not me though I'm already in Georgia. I would welcome anyone who wanted to make the move though.

Posted by: freaked at April 27, 2015 05:39 PM (JdEZJ)

162 The Five are really giving it to Shep....It's about time.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 27, 2015 05:39 PM (bK6dC)

163 It's law enforcement's fault.

Where is law enforcement?

Shep has an agenda.

I remember why I quit watching Fox.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 27, 2015 05:39 PM (48QDY)

164 The first thing that has to happen is for the individual states to start growing some balls and start practicing nullification of federal law. We might find that this is all there is to be done.

Posted by: Soona at April 27, 2015 05:39 PM (/HX7u)

165 Fuck that. I'm not doing the "You get the house and I'll live in a trailer" kind of divorce.



We get all the land and they can get the hell out.

Thumbs up. If conservatives weren't always preemptively trying to compromise with the progs before the negotiations even started, we wouldn't be in this fix in the first place.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at April 27, 2015 05:39 PM (ElEyp)

166 I also think this idea amounts to surrender. I don't like it even while finding it an unrealistic pipe dream.

Hey now, not the hill to die on.

Just like the one before, and the one before that one, and so on.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 27, 2015 05:40 PM (0NdlF)

167 I rarely watch Fox. It's RINO & Establishment tool.

Posted by: Carol at April 27, 2015 05:40 PM (sj3Ax)

168 The tweet:
Ferguson, Baltimore ... I guess the bright side is that Social Justice Chickens are coming closer and closer to roosting in DC.

Posted by: @votermom at April 27, 2015 05:40 PM (cbfNE)

169 I'm digging all this rioting in Baltimore is occurring on Pennsylvania Avenue.

Ask ten college students, I wonder what % know what street the 1/2WH is located?

Posted by: Emotional Protestor at April 27, 2015 05:40 PM (xQX/f)

170 And Beverly, i'd tell you to get bent like I tell most obnoxious trolls, but since you're identifying as female... ah what the hell. Get bent.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 27, 2015 05:40 PM (IcJmI)

171 We get all the land and they can get the hell out.

http://knowyourmeme.com/
memes/push-it-somewhere-else-patrick

Posted by: DaveA at April 27, 2015 05:40 PM (DL2i+)

172 Yeats was Irish, writing about the Easter Rising


99 years ago

Posted by: Rupert Wombat, O.B.E. at April 27, 2015 05:40 PM (8CdUx)

173 >>See Lithuania, Latvia, and other members of the former Soviet Union.

Um, all of those were independent countries before they were subjugated by the Soviets. They got their freedom because we helped take down the SU.

I don't know of any country that wasn't glued together through force but grew organically just deciding they wanted to see other countries.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2015 05:40 PM (g1DWB)

174 While I would prefer to see the divorce end amicably and without bloodshed, it won't. It's not in the left's nature to let bygones be bygones. They have to have their boots in someone's face.

That said, taking out a handful of key electrical transformers would greatly diminish the numbers of leftists in North America, though it would take a month or so before all this would sort itself out.

Posted by: Sasquatch at April 27, 2015 05:40 PM (Orv1g)

175 Gofundme may have ended the campaigns, but unless they issue each and every individual a complete refund, they're going to have to cough upi the money already collected. Otherwise they face a helluva class-action suit for fraud.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at April 27, 2015 05:40 PM (gwDMH)

176 Yeah, Ace, what a great plan. Rip the freest nation on Earth apart because of corrupt politician/Parties. What exactly do you think they've been trying to do?
Get out of NYC for a few weeks, take a break from being Captain TwitterTard, see some of the country, you'll realize that most of it works quite well.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 27, 2015 05:40 PM (2cS/G)

177 Why in hell would I consider giving up a chunk of my own country simply because a number of numbskulls refuse to grow up, learn basic math and take responsibility for their actions?

We have had these losers since the beginning. I won't give in to their whining any more than I would give in to my kid's whining. Same song, same dance, no dice.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2015 05:40 PM (+YMhA)

178 Bunch of Roof Koreans could probably make some bucks this week.

Posted by: VIA, Live from Baltimore at April 27, 2015 05:40 PM (VPLuQ)

179 I live California. Imagine how rapidly fucked up it would get with open borders, free shit, taxing the fuck out of everyone to pay for it, nothing getting built I could go on.

Posted by: YIKES! at April 27, 2015 05:41 PM (q7ejF)

180 Cut off the water and San Francisco, LA San Diego are ours in a year.

Pfeh. SD and the docks are all we should even want.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at April 27, 2015 05:41 PM (DT3rQ)

181 Someone at the White House should switch Obamas tv to for from espn. Look Bambi, mission accomplished.

Posted by: Dan in Michigan at April 27, 2015 05:41 PM (2yD4G)

182 Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 27, 2015 05:32 PM

Intermingling is not possible. My example is India.

Posted by: Lester at April 27, 2015 05:41 PM (2UPXV)

183 I hope all the stores in that section of Baltimore burn down and get looted and nobody rehabs them and they have to drive 50 miles to buy groceries

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 27, 2015 05:41 PM (rDqRv)

184 Apologies to Beverly, missed your point.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 27, 2015 05:42 PM (IcJmI)

185 111 "? Is it that hard to start a crowd-funding website?"

Wasn't the DOJ going after the money that gun manufacturers have in their bank accounts? I imagine they'd do something similar to any conservative crowd funding effort.
Posted by: Lauren at April 27, 2015 05:32 PM (MYCIw)

Yes. Operation Chokepoint. They were putting direct pressure on banks not to do business with "high risk" industries that included guns, ammo, pr0n (interestingly enough) and others. I can absolutely see the same thing happening to an upstart crowd source fund for conservative causes, especially after watching what Lois Lerner's IRS did to squelch political speech by conservative and Tea Party groups seeking tax exempt status.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2015 05:42 PM (mx5oN)

186 Whenever someone talks about brainless bimbos on Fox News I assume they mean Shep.

Posted by: Kensington at April 27, 2015 05:42 PM (7Kbxu)

187
The first thing that has to happen is for the individual states to start growing some balls and start practicing nullification of federal law. We might find that this is all there is to be done.

--

That would be a good start. Some states were talking about collecting federal taxes at the state level, then deciding how much of it to send to DC several years ago. I don't know where that is at now.

Another thing which would go a long way toward solving this issue would be to shut down welfare programs immediately.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 27, 2015 05:42 PM (c0co6)

188 Guess this part of B'more will be a food desert.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 27, 2015 05:42 PM (48QDY)

189 "How does one split America between the mostly urban liberals and the mostly rural conservatives? "

Think Berlin, before the wall came down.

Posted by: Russtovich at April 27, 2015 05:42 PM (8zhoe)

190 Sell this to them

They'll have single payer 98% tax brackets all the illegal immigration they want government funded abortion

Sell it to the left! They might end up wanting this more than us

Posted by: Rick Perry's Parakeet at April 27, 2015 05:42 PM (AeVNR)

191
the one and only guarantor of the seperation of powers has always been the sovreign states

Posted by: kj at April 27, 2015 05:42 PM (lKyWE)

192 The "legitimate avenues of consequence" (lawsuits, elections, criminal charges, unbiased media coverage, etc.) are being closed off to us on a daily basis.

Elections? Bought and paid for, with a side helping of voter fraud. Besides, the parties you vote for are just two sides of the same coin anyway. The "illusion of choice" when we are only going in one direction.

Courts? Politically motivated, appointed judges who disregard existing law and public opinion/votes to hold as they see fit. No "standing", not the right "protected class", etc., all used to dismiss legitimate claims.

Executive officers? Involved in so much daily criminal corruption that we can't keep track of it, which they will never, ever see the inside of a jail cell for, since they will never arrest themselves. Vote them out? Ha! See above.

Legislatures? If they aren't corrupt, they are just handing their powers over to the Executive or the Judicial without a fight, to the point that the Executive is unbounded by law and knows it.

Media? Hah!

Education? Hah Hah!

When the "legitimate avenues of consequence" get closed off, the "illegitimate avenues of consequence"gain popularity. People are starting to realize it - talk of "separation" (that isn't pooh-poohed but instead nodded in agreement) is a big indicator of it - people are tired of being hounded and simply want their agitators to go away. But they won't go away. That;s the problem - they want control over you. What happens when they don't go away and keep agitating and demanding?

What do you think happens? What happens in day to day life? A bloody nose or a beer bottle over the head.

Whether that's good or bad is irrelevant - it's a consequence, a response, to line stepping behavior. No different than the bite that follows teasing a cobra. Good and bad doesn't even enter into it.

Posted by: Saltyron at April 27, 2015 05:42 PM (i6shs)

193 183
I hope all the stores in that section of Baltimore burn down and get
looted and nobody rehabs them and they have to drive 50 miles to buy
groceries


Ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: Barack's House 'O Taxpayer Funded Vittles at April 27, 2015 05:42 PM (LAe3v)

194 Sorry, OT, but...is there really an Orioles home game tonight vs the White Sox? (And oh yes the irony, God has a sense of humor.) Because that city will be pure gridlock after the game, and if happy smiling families sitting bumper to bumper, trying to leave the city, think the mobs on the streets will leave them alone, they are insane.

Posted by: LizLem at April 27, 2015 05:43 PM (yRwC8)

195 If most people were calm, rational, reasonable folks, it'd be time for us all to agree on new borders and split the sheets. But most people are, well, people. We can't split without a really ugly war.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at April 27, 2015 05:43 PM (mB6ez)

196 I hope all the stores in that section of Baltimore burn down and get looted and nobody rehabs them and they have to drive 50 miles to buy groceries

More likely they'll get $50 billion in federal money to rebuild and because 'food desert.'

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at April 27, 2015 05:43 PM (gwDMH)

197 183 NGU.

Brilliant minds and all.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 27, 2015 05:43 PM (48QDY)

198 F that Filbert. Washington, Oregon California are all fully red, just slightly east of the coast we could use the central Imperial Valley California farm land. Cut off the water and San Francisco, LA San Diego are ours in a year.
Posted by: Pmain at April 27, 2015 05:35 PM (A36AM)

You know that. I know that. How many of Our Betters living on The Coasts know that?

We will win because they are fundamentally stupid. They survive only because they depend on us not to let them starve/desiccate.

They survive only because we are better than they are. This strategy has certain flaws.

Posted by: filbert at April 27, 2015 05:43 PM (S6a2J)

199 I said cool, let's do it.

Posted by: Neil Diamond at April 27, 2015 05:43 PM (a+WIL)

200 O/T: Ooh, look who finally started speaking out against Obozo's Middle East round-robin charlie foxtrottery!

http://tinyurl.com/k9f3j48

A little late to defend your turf. By about a decade or more.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at April 27, 2015 05:43 PM (DT3rQ)

201 "I rarely watch Fox. It's RINO Establishment tool."
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I only ever watch it for the hot women. Fox's special gift is finding them and putting them on the air.

Posted by: Kensington at April 27, 2015 05:44 PM (7Kbxu)

202 Our "half" of America will need to have 2 things:

- 100% self-sufficiency, as the rest of the world will, at a minimum, refuse to trade with us.

- A very-robust and complete defense system, as the fallout patterns from the omega-nuking of our territory will likely not affect DC, much less NYC.

Posted by: steveegg at April 27, 2015 05:44 PM (cL79m)

203 My opposition to the divorce idea is two fold:
The Left will prevent it
All the stuff belongs to us in the first place


*We* can always make new stuff.

Posted by: Methos at April 27, 2015 05:44 PM (ZbV+0)

204 And Pappy joins the meme.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 27, 2015 05:45 PM (48QDY)

205 Split it into three parts. The left get the west coast and the northeast, and we get the rest.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 27, 2015 05:45 PM (10ydV)

206 That said, taking out a handful of key electrical transformers....

Food. They have no idea where it comes from or how it gets there.


Posted by: Lester at April 27, 2015 05:45 PM (2UPXV)

207 I don't know of any country that wasn't glued together through force but grew organically just deciding they wanted to see other countries.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2015 05:40 PM (g1DWB)

Canada, India, the Bahamas, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Egypt, Palestine...

Pretty much everything the UK de-uk'd in the last 70 years.

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 27, 2015 05:45 PM (t06LC)

208 it'll never fly. among the bedrock conservative values is civility and the value of a civil society. the left, the sjw's, the legbitrs, twist the idea of civil society with accusations of unfairness and inequality and thereby validate incivility and oppression.

conservatives' belief in america and the true meaning of civil institutions will not abide secession or insurrection.

Posted by: mark morris at April 27, 2015 05:45 PM (mQyVW)

209 144 Holy shit Shep is going full retard live on TV.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2015 05:36 PM (g1DWB)

But his hair is fabulous.

Posted by: Manufacturer of "Gay Middle-Aged Man Red" Toupee Dye at April 27, 2015 05:45 PM (vgIRn)

210
"I rarely watch Fox. It's RINO Establishment tool."


i used to like magen kelly but she has gone why over the top with the dumb blonde schtick

Posted by: kj at April 27, 2015 05:45 PM (lKyWE)

211 I would pay a large amount to see a pie chart of where the actual "47%" of taxpayers choose to go. I have a sneaking suspicion what the chart would look like.

Posted by: Eli Cash at April 27, 2015 05:45 PM (a+WIL)

212 I live California. Imagine how rapidly fucked up it
would get with open borders, free shit, taxing the fuck out of everyone
to pay for it, nothing getting built I could go on.

Posted by: YIKES! at April 27, 2015 05:41 PM (q7ejF)

How will you be able to tell the difference? *ducks from the spitballs being thrown by Cali Morons*

Posted by: LizLem at April 27, 2015 05:45 PM (yRwC8)

213 O/T: Ooh, look who finally started speaking out against Obozo's Middle East round-robin charlie foxtrottery!

http://tinyurl.com/k9f3j48


-
It's only near beer when we need fire water.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 27, 2015 05:45 PM (XUKZU)

214 Peaceful protestors now showing their lawful, nonviolent opposition by donning hoodies and breaking into check cashing agency.

Posted by: Emotional Protestor at April 27, 2015 05:45 PM (xQX/f)

215 If nothing happens, the country is over if only by virtue of the fact that this country is like #30 in the world in math scholastically. People a effectively illiterate if they can't do math (imio) and few in this country can.

Then, we have the highest corporate tax in the industrialized world. Because of that, small business in this country has stagnated.

Those are two seldom mentioned reasons to go along with the millions of other reasons.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 27, 2015 05:45 PM (BZAd3)

216 Partitioning the country into two simple geographic regions is, as others have pointed out, so impractical as to be excluded from serious consideration. The map would look like a fractal, with red and blue counties interlaced with one another.

More practical: Do away with the federal government altogether, replacing it with 50 state governments. Of course, this would require a long, destructive civil war.

And at that point, after 20 million dead, maybe we'll realize that the states would be much stronger if united under a weak but real confederation. Maybe we'd draw up a charter; we could call it the Articles of Confederation.

And in a couple of hundred years, after the continuous inexorable growth of the federal government due to the undue influence of the arrested adolescent class of lawyers who implement their plans by changing the meanings of simple words in our governing documents, we'll do it all over, and have 30 million war dead.

Nope. A purge sounds more appealing to me.

I wish I'd stocked up on 0.308 ammo a few years ago.

Posted by: Pastafarian at April 27, 2015 05:45 PM (pCf+a)

217 I saw Shep drinking a pina colada at trader Vic's... and his hair was perfect.

Posted by: Eli Cash at April 27, 2015 05:46 PM (a+WIL)

218 How will you be able to tell the difference? *ducks from the spitballs being thrown by Cali Morons*

Heh. It would be a bit like firebombing Detroit.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2015 05:46 PM (mx5oN)

219 If we still any semblance of federalism, a divorce would not be necessary. But we don't. So there.

Posted by: Furious George at April 27, 2015 05:46 PM (UlJ3l)

220 >>See Lithuania, Latvia, and other members of the former Soviet Union.



<<Um, all of those were independent countries before they were
subjugated by the Soviets. >>

Um...like the Colonies? Hell, not even the entirety of the original 13 were in favor of independence and they didn't all belong to King George either, Sparky.

Posted by: SGTYork at April 27, 2015 05:46 PM (/yNLK)

221 - A very-robust and complete defense system, as the fallout patterns from the omega-nuking of our territory will likely not affect DC, much less NYC.

That's why any scenario I game out falls apart if it doesn't secure nukes. Exhibit A: Ukraine.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at April 27, 2015 05:47 PM (DT3rQ)

222 I wish I'd stocked up on 0.308 ammo a few years ago.

I did but lost it all in that tragic canoeing accident.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2015 05:47 PM (mx5oN)

223 179 I live California. Imagine how rapidly fucked up it would get with open borders, free shit, taxing the fuck out of everyone to pay for it, nothing getting built I could go on.
Posted by: YIKES! at April 27, 2015 05:41 PM (q7ejF)
________________________

LOL. That could never happen. The voters in California would never stand for it. It would be idiotic and suicidal.

Oh, wait . . . .

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 27, 2015 05:47 PM (lmdHn)

224 BTW,
Lynch meeting with TFG about Baltimore right now. They're going to make it another Ferguson!

Posted by: Carol at April 27, 2015 05:47 PM (sj3Ax)

225 is there really an Orioles home game tonight vs the White Sox?

Yep, 6:05 is the scheduled time for broadcast.

Posted by: dartist at April 27, 2015 05:47 PM (ahBY0)

226 "I like my starship idea.. but that might take a while."

We could speed it up by doing a 180 and pack if full of our version ( *cough* SJWs) of Douglas Adams' phone sanitizers.

Posted by: Russtovich at April 27, 2015 05:48 PM (8zhoe)

227 209 144 Holy shit Shep is going full retard live on TV.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2015 05:36 PM (g1DWB)

But his hair is fabulous.
Posted by: Manufacturer of "Gay Middle-Aged Man Red" Toupee Dye at April 27, 2015 05:45 PM (vgIRn)

The thought of being lectured again by Shep fucking Smith is more than enough for me to keep the TV off.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 27, 2015 05:48 PM (BZAd3)

228 - 100% self-sufficiency, as the rest of the world will, at a minimum, refuse to trade with us.



- A very-robust and complete defense system, as the fallout patterns
from the omega-nuking of our territory will likely not affect DC, much
less NYC.

Posted by: steveegg at April 27, 2015 05:44 PM

That sounds like a really huge Israel.

Posted by: Lester at April 27, 2015 05:48 PM (2UPXV)

229 Sell this to them

-
If they agree to a split, we'll call off John "Bulldog" Boehner and they can do whatever they want.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 27, 2015 05:48 PM (XUKZU)

230 <<Partitioning the country into two simple geographic regions is, as
others have pointed out, so impractical as to be excluded from serious
consideration.>>

They said that about India... and the Palestinians seem to have no problem living in separated geographical areas.

Divide the country by blue and red as of last Presidential election...not by state, but by county.

Posted by: SGTYork at April 27, 2015 05:48 PM (/yNLK)

231 Love Gutfeld and Bolling mixing it up with the metrosexual/wannabe sjw Shep. Such a sanitary napkin.

Posted by: Vincent Vega at April 27, 2015 05:48 PM (x6d4B)

232 Who's in charge? They're trying to find a way to blame Bush.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at April 27, 2015 05:49 PM (YCG8H)

233
100% self-sufficiency, as the rest of the world will, at a minimum, refuse to trade with us. texas has a lot of refineries

Posted by: kj at April 27, 2015 05:49 PM (lKyWE)

234
I volunteer that the southern half of AZ be given to the new Blue Nation.
They once talked about seceeding anyway when we dominated the state govt.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 27, 2015 05:49 PM (0x/TW)

235 We'll take the military (excluding senior officers) and they can have the social security lock box and all of its contents.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at April 27, 2015 05:49 PM (nFdGS)

236 215 If nothing happens, the country is over if only by virtue of the fact that this country is like #30 in the world in math scholastically. People a effectively illiterate if they can't do math (imio) and few in this country can.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 27, 2015 05:45 PM (BZAd3)

No. Some white people can.

The reason we are 30th is because we imported an bunch of illiterates. Averages and shit.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 27, 2015 05:49 PM (48QDY)

237 "That's why any scenario I game out falls apart if it doesn't secure nukes. "

And that's why Texas still flies the Gonzales Flag every year.

Posted by: Lauren at April 27, 2015 05:49 PM (MYCIw)

238 Posted by: Lincolntf at April 27, 2015 05:40 PM (2cS/G)

Have to disagree with you there. There are only two scenarios that can happen. 1. Because of demographics, our country will become solidly socialist with no way to reverse it except with bloodshed. 2. Longshot for a preemptive peaceful split.

Flyover country has already been corrupted. Even my beloved Texas.

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 27, 2015 05:50 PM (dBm7S)

239 >>Canada, India, the Bahamas, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Egypt, Palestine...

Only because GB was failing as an empire. They gave those states their independence. It's not like London just declared independence and called themselves Frank.

We are talking about the dissolution of a country that fought for it's independence and then fought to keep itself together just deciding, eh fuck it and you can keep the kids. That is not the same as a crumbling empire.

No way in hell there wouldn't be violence. And ongoing violence because as many have noted the left would not be well suited to feed and defend their new utopia.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2015 05:50 PM (g1DWB)

240 Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at April 27, 2015 05:41 PM (DT3rQ)

Cut off the massive coal trains (and out-of-state power transmission) and it'll take a whole lot less than that.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 27, 2015 05:50 PM (GDulk)

241 Secession would lead to a balkanized situation -- several smaller states which would not have the economic or military clout to hold their own. This would be a strategic mistake on many levels. Besides, the population cannot be broken up into neat geographic areas -- the demographics don't fit into that model. There would likely be civil war -- a far worse one than the one we had before.

You either go large, and win the culture wars, or forget it. It is a wee bit late in the game, but there are no viable alternatives.

Posted by: unknown j. at April 27, 2015 05:50 PM (zsrMa)

242 Yeah, when I think Palestinian territory, I also think "no problems". Totally.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 27, 2015 05:50 PM (2cS/G)

243 why would the govt allow that?

hasn't the country tried this before?

i only see 3 real options

1. voting which seems to have become a joke.
2. lawfare as they lawfare us, to death.
3. actually shut down any financing from conservatives. no buying anything from anybody supporting them.


that means cable, that means futbol
that means new toys for the boys and girls.
tech.
cable
tv
hollywood

Posted by: willow at April 27, 2015 05:50 PM (nqBYe)

244 224 BTW,
Lynch meeting with TFG about Baltimore right now. They're going to make it another Ferguson!
Posted by: Carol at April 27, 2015 05:47 PM (sj3Ax)

I got the matches. You bring the gasoline.

Posted by: Loretta Lynch at April 27, 2015 05:51 PM (48QDY)

245 Nope. A purge sounds more appealing to me.

That illustrates the basic flaw of the approach. We're not up against a specific group, party, nation, or organization. We're fighting human nature.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at April 27, 2015 05:51 PM (DT3rQ)

246 We get the red, they get the blue, and whatever's left in our section will be cleared out and sent to the coast.

http://images.newsmax.com/misc/2008_Election_Map.jpg

Posted by: SGTYork at April 27, 2015 05:51 PM (/yNLK)

247 That's why any scenario I game out falls apart if it doesn't secure nukes. Exhibit A: Ukraine.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at April 27, 2015 05:47 PM (DT3rQ)


You're forgetting the Soviet Russian and Red Chinese nuclear weapons. They're the ones that will be used against us (partly because the opening move of the ObamiNation will be to obliterate our only potential ally Israel).

Posted by: steveegg at April 27, 2015 05:51 PM (cL79m)

248 @236

We in the US test everybody and include that in our average which includes people who speak English as a second language, and inner city kids who don't have a first.
Countries like China only test the kids going to college. The results are skewed.

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 27, 2015 05:51 PM (t06LC)

249 But his hair is fabulous.
Posted by: Manufacturer of "Gay Middle-Aged Man Red" Toupee Dye at April 27, 2015 05:45 PM


Word. And I'd like to meet his tailor.

Posted by: A perfectly coiffed London werewolf with a pina colada at April 27, 2015 05:51 PM (h4vJk)

250 Dennis Miller, I believe, at one point advocated for a one-time, 100% wealth transfer from all "wealthy" to the lower rungs and (paraphrasing) said that within a year all the money would be right back where it started and then we could just tell everyone to shut the hell up. I'd vote for that as well.

Posted by: Eli Cash at April 27, 2015 05:51 PM (a+WIL)

251 Has any country in this situation separated? All I see are urban centers progressively punishing their rural counterparts. USSR and China took away the crops to feed the revolutionary students in the cities. Argentina and Venezuela pull all the resources into buying votes in the cities at the expense of infrastructure in the country.

With lawfare and blatant cheating, they won't even allow us to win an election, if our candidate isn't squishier than Jeb Bush.

Posted by: Old Hob at April 27, 2015 05:51 PM (DkXQB)

252 The left has made everything political. It used to be that you could be friends with someone with different political beliefs. But now the left demands total obedience, not the right. You have to associate with the correct people, buy the correct light bulbs and the correct free-market coffee and think all the correct thoughts.

Posted by: Dang at April 27, 2015 05:51 PM (FRkJH)

253 <<We're not up against a specific group, party, nation, or organization. We're fighting human nature.>>

So was the North a hundred and fifty years ago.

Posted by: SGTYork at April 27, 2015 05:52 PM (/yNLK)

254 1. Split the electoral votes like Maine and Nebraska
2. Repeal the 17th Amendment. Whose interests do Senators represent?
3. State attorney general's have been filing lawsuits. But lawsuits are ineffective in curtailing federal overreach. With a highly centralized government, it's one-stop shopping for leftists. Break it up.

Posted by: Not Craw at April 27, 2015 05:52 PM (eem7G)

255 Here's my analogy. We have to become their Josh Hamilton.

Such a huge pain in their asses and embarrassment that they're willing to pay us to go away.

Who's got the blow?

Posted by: Lauren at April 27, 2015 05:52 PM (MYCIw)

256 F that Filbert. Washington, Oregon California are all fully red, just
slightly east of the coast we could use the central Imperial Valley
California farm land

California would look like Argentina and Chile!

Posted by: Lester at April 27, 2015 05:52 PM (2UPXV)

257 always with the negative waves, mortarity.

why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change!

Posted by: mark morris at April 27, 2015 05:52 PM (mQyVW)

258 and whatever's left in our section will be cleared out and sent to the coast.

Why am I the only one here who sees the logical flaw in "forcibly expelling people from their homes equals freedom!"?

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 27, 2015 05:52 PM (/kI1Q)

259 Rioters always seem to burn their own neighborhoods.

Try this bullshit around where I live and you'll find yourself dying.

This crap just won't fly in my part of Georgia.

Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at April 27, 2015 05:52 PM (1DYEY)

260 More practical: Do away with the federal government altogether, replacing it with 50 state governments.


Hellz to the yes.


Posted by: some random meathead at April 27, 2015 05:52 PM (NUCTk)

261 "I wish I'd stocked up on 0.308 ammo a few years ago. "


Got about 2k rds of 5.56, 1K of 9mm
And enough mags to keep things moving.

30k of .22 25 rd mags, and dedicated uppers could come in handy as well.

Posted by: VIA, Live from Baltimore at April 27, 2015 05:52 PM (VPLuQ)

262 The Baltimore's plan is working. She said we will clear the area for destruction.

Posted by: redenzo at April 27, 2015 05:52 PM (WCnJW)

263 Posted by: unknown j. at April 27, 2015 05:50 PM (zsrMa)

Which is why the Federalist Papers' arguments are still valid. It may not matter though. You *can't* have a sizable group determined to control and another sizable group determined to *not* be controlled in the same area and expect it to go well.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 27, 2015 05:53 PM (GDulk)

264 I'm guessing this would be a good time for the Yellowstone mega-volcano to erupt...

Posted by: the Butcher at April 27, 2015 05:53 PM (fUjxW)

265 @239

So you're saying that the US isn't a crumbling empire......


I don't know. I think the comparison is looking quite appropriate.

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 27, 2015 05:53 PM (t06LC)

266 Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 27, 2015 05:49 PM (0x/TW)

Um. No. The libiots in Tucson wanted that. The rest of us in southern AZ? Not so much. We want to secede, join Texas, and invade New Mexico in order to create a nation.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my hate cannot be found) at April 27, 2015 05:53 PM (O9qtX)

267 Is sending DC police to Baltimore legal?

Posted by: Hanoverfist at April 27, 2015 05:53 PM (YCG8H)

268 quit funding the Left!

why help them take us down?

Posted by: willow at April 27, 2015 05:53 PM (nqBYe)

269 Don't worry. If war is what a person is wanting, then I give it 10 years maximum -- if we are lucky it will only be widespread civil unrest; if we aren't...the French Revolution will look like child's play.

Posted by: unknown j. at April 27, 2015 05:54 PM (zsrMa)

270 The constitution is many things but one thing it is, is a blueprint for resolving controversies without bloodshed. Unfortunately, it works only if ever4ybody respects the constitution. Today, nobody respects the constitution. I have seen the future and it sucks.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 27, 2015 05:54 PM (XUKZU)

271 Pinochet

Posted by: @votermom at April 27, 2015 05:54 PM (XvP14)

272 Now back to Shep. Shep.

"the protesters need to go home to their parents".

Posted by: redenzo at April 27, 2015 05:54 PM (WCnJW)

273 "206 That said, taking out a handful of key electrical transformers....

Food. They have no idea where it comes from or how it gets there. "

Their water and sewage treatment plants are run by electricity. Cut that off, and they'll realize that they're in very big trouble immediately. Food is something an individual can survive without for around three weeks; potable water, three days.

But you are correct about food being a crucial item. If they allow for the divorce amicably, they'll realize that they don't have the means to grow it. We've got them by the balls on the matters that count. Whether we choose to castrate them or not, is up to them.

Posted by: Sasquatch at April 27, 2015 05:54 PM (Orv1g)

274 Only two options/outcomes? Are you huffing high-test glue (kidding about that, but seriously, only Two)? Look at history, any where, any era, these things have an infinite number of potential conclusions.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 27, 2015 05:55 PM (2cS/G)

275 >>I'm guessing this would be a good time for the Yellowstone mega-volcano to erupt...

I just heard last night that they just discovered there is an even bigger load of magma under there than previously thought. Like 4 to 5 times bigger.

So they can have Yellowstone.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2015 05:55 PM (g1DWB)

276 Um...like the Colonies? Hell, not even the entirety
of the original 13 were in favor of independence and they didn't all
belong to King George either, Sparky. Posted by: SGTYork at April 27, 2015 05:46 PM (/yNLK)

A third of the colonists wanted independence, a third were loyalists, and a third were fence sitters that waited to see which way the wind was blowing.

Oh and that reminds me for anyone that cares... tomorrow on his radio show, I think in the first hour, Glenn Beck is going to go over the history of the founding of the Republican party. I know lots of people here think he's cray cray, I get it, but the best side of Glenn is lucid history teacher Glenn. (the worst side is of course is doomsday prepper apocalypse Glenn.) So I'm looking forward to seeing what he has to say. Hopefully the lucid side is there tomorrow.

Posted by: LizLem at April 27, 2015 05:55 PM (yRwC8)

277
By the way, Yeats may have been Irish. I can't remember, I've tried to put that painful experience of 10th grade English class behind me.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2015 05:35 PM (g1DWB)







Hey, I knew that Yeats was Irish. Of course, the only reason was because of Phil Lynott and "Roisin Dubh".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 27, 2015 05:55 PM (ynQIy)

278 Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at April 27, 2015 05:51 PM (DT3rQ)

Yes. Even if we split there will simply be *new* people whose loves aren't complete unless they can control the people around them. This is why emigration has been the answer for those who don't want to be controlled. Since there are no "Offworld Colonies" it leaves physically fighting back. And that will be horrible.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 27, 2015 05:56 PM (GDulk)

279 You'd need to find someplace with considerable geographic separation that wasn't prime real estate to the interested elites - think Alaska, or even Greenland. Freedom ain't free indeed. Everyone looking at more tropical climes extra-US climes needs to keep in mind that rapacious neighbors will feed on comparatively rich expatriates absent paramilitary measures in large numbers. I'd toss Africa's failed states or the remote jungles of South America into the mix, but if you want to be left alone, a big part of that may involve going where others simply don't want to be.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 27, 2015 05:56 PM (QKIQb)

280 The water temperature is rising

Jump now or slowly boil...

Posted by: Rick Perry's Parakeet at April 27, 2015 05:56 PM (AeVNR)

281 see some of the country, you'll realize that most of it works quite well.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 27, 2015 05:40 PM (2cS/G)

Thanks for that dose of kindergarten wisdom.

Posted by: Methos at April 27, 2015 05:56 PM (ZbV+0)

282 Forget secession, let's talk about taking the law into the hands of the people because those in power don't seem to be willing to accept that they too are subject to the same laws.

Remember the Magna Carta? Probably not as the liberal/progressive schools don't teach history anymore and besides it's all dead white men and stuff.

Well, fcuk that. It's the rule of law (infamously spit on and laughed at by Bill Clinton and his fellow criminals in politics and the Media 20 years ago) that made and still make this country better and different than most every other country in the world with few exceptions. Most of those being Democracies of one type or another.

If the Gov't will not enforce the law then we no longer have a country ruled by the law.

The only way left to take it back is by some sort of force. Either by refusal to cooperate any further with our own enslavement or by active assault of those who control the means to enforce the law who aren't.

Eric Holder was a prime example of what happens when the law enforcers no longer enforce the law. What's going on in Wisconsin is another example. The ridiculous lawsuits and penalties for someone refusing to act creatively against their will are another.

When do we draw a line? When they demand we put religious symbols on our clothes to more easily discern who are potential "criminials" or when we're being herded into rail cars headed for some vague "work/re-education camp"?

Time to misbehave.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 27, 2015 05:56 PM (zRby/)

283 Off racist Despotic AG sock

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 27, 2015 05:56 PM (48QDY)

284 246
We get the red, they get the blue, and whatever's left in our section will be cleared out and sent to the coast.

That is India 1947. It was semi-voluntary. Sort of.

Posted by: Lester at April 27, 2015 05:56 PM (2UPXV)

285 Also most of those icky refineries are not in blue states.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at April 27, 2015 05:57 PM (YCG8H)

286 You know what sucks?
The U.S. is going to break up or start a civil war just as the Cubs are on their way to the World Series

Posted by: Navycopjoe Playing bass at April 27, 2015 05:57 PM (vk43t)

287 And thank you, Methos, for your vapid and useless comment.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 27, 2015 05:58 PM (2cS/G)

288 If Texas goes, the entire Gulf Coast will go with it.

Anyone remember the state motto of Alabama?

We Dare Defend Our Rights

Ahem.

Posted by: Lauren at April 27, 2015 05:59 PM (MYCIw)

289 Sure would be nice to view Sonny's piece without kludgy plugins autoplaying media. Flash = Satan's barbed dingus.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 27, 2015 05:59 PM (QKIQb)

290 see some of the country, you'll realize that most of it works quite well.



Posted by: Lincolntf at April 27, 2015 05:40 PM (2cS/G)

Thanks for that dose of kindergarten wisdom.


Posted by: Methos at April 27, 2015 05:56 PM (ZbV+0)

if you wackos were just NICER to the radical SJWs ...

Posted by: UR Totly AWSUM GOP at April 27, 2015 05:59 PM (NUCTk)

291 They would never let us go peacefully, for we fund their madness. There is only one way, it is bloody.

Posted by: Chuck at April 27, 2015 05:59 PM (xE5n0)

292 LizLem,
Yes, you never know what Beck will show up.
Beck is good when he's acting normally.

I'm going to put on Special Report, I wonder how long I'll last before i turn it off.

Posted by: Carol at April 27, 2015 05:59 PM (sj3Ax)

293 You know what sucks?
The U.S. is going to break up or start a civil war just as the Cubs are on their way to the World Series

Posted by: Navycopjoe Playing bass at April 27, 2015 05:57 PM (vk43t)


The break-up will happen long before then (unless you think they're on their way this year).

Posted by: steveegg at April 27, 2015 06:00 PM (cL79m)

294 >>You know what sucks?
The U.S. is going to break up or start a civil war just as the Cubs are on their way to the World Series

Why didn't you tell me? If I knew we had 30 or 40 years before anything bad happened I wouldn't have worried.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2015 06:00 PM (g1DWB)

295 Yes, it is time to formally separate, and it's important to recognize how this state of affairs came about: It can all be traced back to Ted Kennedy's 1965 Immigration Act. The reason the left feels free to wage all-out cultural war without fear that someday the same tactics will be used against them, is that mass immigration is pushing the country relentlessly leftward towards an eventual permanent Democratic majority, as exists now in California.

Hence, when the new Red State Union is formed, it's very important that its
constitution include some mechanism to prevent the left/corporate elite
from once again using mass immigration to elect a new people. Possibly voters could be given the right to determine immigration levels through popular referendum.


Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at April 27, 2015 06:01 PM (HA+/6)

296
AZ Hi Desert, New Mexico seems to have quit a few liberal Tucson types.
Sure you want to take that over?

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 27, 2015 06:01 PM (0x/TW)

297 "So they can have Yellowstone."

Bad idea, very bad idea. Once the SJW types discovered that setting off Yellowstone would harm Red State America far more than Blue State, then they'd lance it.

We need to keep Yellowstone.

Posted by: Sasquatch at April 27, 2015 06:01 PM (Orv1g)

298 Elijah Cummings is a jerk!

Posted by: Carol at April 27, 2015 06:01 PM (sj3Ax)

299 Future commenters please put yea or nay at the end of your comment regarding secession

I say yea!

Posted by: Rick Perry's Parakeet at April 27, 2015 06:02 PM (AeVNR)

300 >>> The U.S. is going to break up or start a civil war just as the Cubs are on their way to the World Series

Just like Nostradamus predicted!!

Posted by: The History Channel, totally giving up at April 27, 2015 06:02 PM (yRwC8)

301 "These, and other grievances, were patiently borne by the people of Texas, untill they reached that point at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue"

Posted by: Lauren at April 27, 2015 06:03 PM (MYCIw)

302 100% self-sufficiency, as the rest of the world will, at a minimum, refuse to trade with us. texas has a lot of refineries



We take Oklahoma to canada, straight north, and we get the nuke silos AND a pipeline for canadian oil sands.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 27, 2015 06:03 PM (gMa4k)

303 Only twelve shopping days until Mother's Day.

http://tinyurl.com/mn6nvw5

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 27, 2015 06:03 PM (XUKZU)

304 I read that name as "Rick Perry's Percocet".

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 27, 2015 06:03 PM (2cS/G)

305
see some of the country, you'll realize that most of it works quite well.


i've had a car once that ran very well until the timing belt broke and drove the piston head into the valves,then it wasn't working at all

Posted by: kj at April 27, 2015 06:04 PM (lKyWE)

306 Elijah Cummings is a jerk!

-
if only for today, Cummings looks like a prince compared to McCain.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 27, 2015 06:05 PM (XUKZU)

307 Only twelve shopping days until Mother's Day. 

http://tinyurl.com/mn6nvw5

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 27, 2015 06:03 PM (XUKZU)

"Happy Mothers' Day! I got you......toilet paper!"

Posted by: pookysgirl is finally home at April 27, 2015 06:06 PM (WrjPJ)

308 We need to keep Yellowstone.

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They can have Aspen and Telluride.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 27, 2015 06:07 PM (XUKZU)

309
Burn baby burn!
B-More on fire!
Burn baby burn!
Burn that MF-effer down!

Posted by: Bruce J. at April 27, 2015 06:07 PM (iQIUe)

310 Why in hell would I consider giving up a chunk of my own country simply
because a number of numbskulls refuse to grow up, learn basic math and
take responsibility for their actions?


These are your options.
1) Cling to the status quo: Our enemies outnumber us and we continued to be ruled by their "government"; eventually it runs out of our money and can no longer support them, which leads to
2)Reduce their number to the point that the democratic process can produce *our* government again: I don't want that much blood on my hands and neither does anyone else here, so scratch that.
3)Military coup: I don't think it's going to happen, and I'm not sure how this ultimately avoids option 2.
4)Put them all in chains/revoke their voting privileges but keep the nation's territory intact: Process pretty much looks like option 2 and I'm not sure what you do with them once you've succeeded.
5)Ace's national divorce: We have to figure out how to sell it to them, but potentially this ends with what can be salvaged of the US military between us when they run out of money, leaving them to deal with their own consequences.

These are all bad options, but divorce is the only one that doesn't require massive bloodshed, and is therefore preferable.

Posted by: Methos at April 27, 2015 06:07 PM (ZbV+0)

311
They canKEEP Aspen and Telluride.
FTFY

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 27, 2015 06:07 PM (m3iiU)

312 a big part of that may involve going where others simply don't want to be.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 27, 2015 05:56 PM (QKIQb)

So who doesn't want to be in Alaska?

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2015 06:07 PM (+YMhA)

313 What is this bullshit about WE go?

No, THEY leave or shut the fuck up.

It's MY country, not some progressive socialist's.

The ones to go after are the leaders of the progressive movement. The lesser ones are easily cowed.

Identify the upper echelon and neutralize them.


Posted by: irongrampa at April 27, 2015 06:08 PM (jeCnD)

314 >>We need to keep Yellowstone.

-
>>They can have Aspen and Telluride.

See this is why it won't work. We can even agree on what to do with an extinction level volcanic eruption and some great ski country. What's gonna happen when we start arguing over beach front?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2015 06:09 PM (g1DWB)

315 spotted on teh Internets today


'Baltimogadishu'

Posted by: some random meathead at April 27, 2015 06:09 PM (NUCTk)

316
Since there will be a regime change in less than two years, why is every one talking this shit?

Posted by: Bruce J. at April 27, 2015 06:09 PM (iQIUe)

317 Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2015 06:07 PM (+YMhA)

It's cold. I freeze in the 70 degree weather you guys call summer.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 27, 2015 06:09 PM (GDulk)

318 "We are, therefore, forced to the melancholy conclusion, that the Mexican people have acquiesced in the destruction of their liberty, and the substitution therfor of a military government; that they are unfit to be free, and incapable of self government.

The necessity of self-preservation, therefore, now decrees our eternal political separation."

Posted by: Lauren at April 27, 2015 06:09 PM (MYCIw)

319 Dividing the U.S.A is a bad idea. Leaving the Progs in charge of our coasts is an invitation to the rest of the world to interfere in our affairs.

This weekend I was watching the "The Economy Is Going To Implode" by Ann Barnhardt, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bA_NbYSaGM She talks about "balkanization" of the U.S.A at about the one hour and 35 minute mark. She points out that the Progs would have no problems in inviting the Chinese or the U.N. to interfere in America once they have control over the coasts. I think she's right. The Progs would even dance with joy once America is crushed. They'll never leave you alone. This is a fight that can only end with one victorious side.

Posted by: Katniss the Klingon at April 27, 2015 06:10 PM (atkpk)

320 These are all bad options, but divorce is the only one that doesn't require massive bloodshed, and is therefore preferable.

Posted by: Methos at April 27, 2015 06:07 PM (ZbV+0)

Here is my option. Fight back. Elect conservatives who have spines. Monitor the polls. Sue the crap out of people like John Chisolm, start repealing stupid laws, DO THE WORK.

Why give up and run away? It's my country, too.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2015 06:10 PM (+YMhA)

321 Damn shame Baltimore policeman that takes his or her oath seriously is screwed. Protesters hate you and the Feds are watching you ready to screw you.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at April 27, 2015 06:10 PM (YCG8H)

322 It's cold. I freeze in the 70 degree weather you guys call summer.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 27, 2015 06:09 PM (GDulk)

Clearly you haven't figured out how we stay warm. It's probably more suited to the ONT.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2015 06:11 PM (+YMhA)

323 316


Since there will be a regime change in less than two years, why is every one talking this shit?

I have no idea.

Posted by: President Jeb Bush at April 27, 2015 06:11 PM (NUCTk)

Posted by: President Jeb Bush at April 27, 2015 06:11 PM (NUCTk)

325 whew

Posted by: President Jeb Bush at April 27, 2015 06:12 PM (NUCTk)

326 They canKEEP Aspen and Telluride.
FTFY Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 27, 2015 06:07 PM (m3iiU)

They can also have Redford's little Sundance compound in Utah, but give us the rest of the state. It will look like Lesotho surrounded by South Africa but fair is fair. Or we kick him out and he goes to Aspen, but "Aspen Film Festival" doesn't have the same je ne sais quoi as Sundance. Too bad, so sad.

Posted by: LizLem at April 27, 2015 06:13 PM (yRwC8)

327 Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2015 06:11 PM (+YMhA)

Lol. Widow and devout, so I'm guessing that option isn't available.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 27, 2015 06:13 PM (GDulk)

328 I wonder if Palestians around sitting around their TVs watching what is happening in Baltimore and thinking, damn, those Americans are violent!

Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2015 06:13 PM (g1DWB)

329 "64
"I'm just saying... there is no way that this country would have an "amicable" divorce."



The battle of San Jacinto lasted 18 minutes.

Posted by: Lauren at April 27, 2015 05:27 PM (MYCIw)"

The battle part, yes. The slaughtering by gunshot and tomahawk in revenge for the Alamo went on for the rest of the day.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 27, 2015 06:13 PM (KDbAT)

330 "So who doesn't want to be in Alaska?"

I'm in San Diego - bit of a transitional shock - but that's the trick. You need to relocate far enough away from where they want to be that they can let you alone. And much like the Israelis in the desert, a Galt's Gulch movement of productive Americans to Alaska would turn it into a comparative paradise over time. I'm willing to don the tuque and snowshoes if that's what it takes.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 27, 2015 06:13 PM (QKIQb)

331 Welcome back, Jeb.

Posted by: The Barrel at April 27, 2015 06:14 PM (cL79m)

332 I guess Baltimore is cooling down, cbsn just cut to commercial.

How many helicopters, bloodied cops, burning police cruisers, hoody clad youth breaking into CVS and check cashing agencies does it take until it's boring?

Posted by: Emotional Protestor at April 27, 2015 06:14 PM (xQX/f)

333 >>> See this is why it won't work. We can even agree on what to do with an
extinction level volcanic eruption and some great ski country.

What are we chopped liver?!


Posted by: Utah, "Greatest Snow on Earth" you jerkoffs at April 27, 2015 06:14 PM (yRwC8)

334 If we could retake the education establishment in 20 years the country would be ours.

Oh look at all the cool colors....

Posted by: NYC Parent at April 27, 2015 06:16 PM (v/Mqc)

335 Lol. Widow and devout, so I'm guessing that option isn't available.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 27, 2015 06:13 PM (GDulk)

Oh, sweetie, we can fix you right up. Lots of men. Of course, the odds are good, but the goods are odd.....

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2015 06:16 PM (+YMhA)

336 Pretty soon rat(not the rock band) will become a gourmet dinner.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at April 27, 2015 06:17 PM (YCG8H)

337 KJ,
FNC went bad in 2011, maybe earlier. It became more pronounced & obvious.

Posted by: Carol at April 27, 2015 06:17 PM (sj3Ax)

338 I'm willing to don the tuque and snowshoes if that's what it takes.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 27, 2015 06:13 PM (QKIQb)

Time to read up on the Matanuska Colony Project.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 27, 2015 06:17 PM (+YMhA)

339 I prefer a straight up fight than all this sneaking around.

Posted by: Iblis at April 27, 2015 06:18 PM (9221z)

340
So there is a list of long term dem voters in most states right?

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 27, 2015 06:20 PM (m3iiU)

341 So there is a list of long term dem voters in most states right?
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale

Does the welfare database count?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 27, 2015 06:21 PM (Q/rld)

342 If you have testicular cancer, you sometimes have to remove one to survive.

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 27, 2015 06:22 PM (dBm7S)

343 What did McCain do?

Posted by: Carol at April 27, 2015 06:23 PM (sj3Ax)

344 Distance -- Baltimore to Washington DC -- 36.9 miles.

Posted by: Emotional Protestor at April 27, 2015 06:23 PM (xQX/f)

345 Baseball game has been postponed.

Posted by: Carol at April 27, 2015 06:24 PM (sj3Ax)

346
Ace, I got two words for you. Two words. Fuck. No.
Look, cast you mind back to when this country was a paradise of conservatism. Back in...ahem...when was that again? Right. Never. It never was that way. Not since Lincoln at least. Probably not before that.
These little beta male commie shits have managed to ruin the country in 40 years. So what? Screw them. We'll take it back in 20 years. Or, aren't you man enough? My father fought the Japanese on the beaches of Iwo Jima. My grandfather fought the fucking Kaiser. And I'm supposed to be scared of these little shit weasels?
No. I will not run. because there is no place on Earth they will not find me.

These bastards will inevitably shit all over whatever nest you give them, and then try and move into your basement. You think Mexico is bad, wait till they ruin a good chunk of the U.S. then just TRY and keep them out of the rest. It won't happen. It CAN'T happen.

So pull on your big boy pants and fight for your country, you lazy shit.

Posted by: General Patton at April 27, 2015 06:27 PM (/EkKm)

347 this.. just fuck
WZ obama telling peeps to organize?

Posted by: FCF at April 27, 2015 06:31 PM (kejii)

348 Hey Obama -- you're gonna reap just what you sow.

Posted by: Lou Reed at April 27, 2015 06:32 PM (xQX/f)

349 Yes, it's time. I'm absolutely uninterested in:

1.) Sending my tax-dollars to a government that sees me as a threat to them because I'm white-skinned, male, religious Jewish, politically conservative, own legally purchased/registered firearms, served in the military, and am sexually attracted to women.

2.) Having social contacts on a daily basis with low-info "educated" morons who think I am a Nazi/Fascist/homophobic/racist/misogynist simply because of my characteristics and think I should be slaughtered, outright, for having a more factually-based viewpoint than they do.

3.) Voting for a party simply because they verbally pretend to be more conservative than the other political party.

I sure hope these folks have a Plan B when I literally bolt, probably to Israel, and they have to replace my skills (a niche of a niche of a niche job that has maybe several dozen positions in the entire US) and, more importantly, my taxbase when I do so. Juan Rodriguez, Shaniqua Williams, and their dependents are gonna be real upset if they don't get their freebies on time, and all........

Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at April 27, 2015 06:32 PM (2mJMN)

350 It is not time for America to separate into two sovereign nations, and never should be.

It is time for it to separate once again into 50 semi-sovereign nations, with a federal government doing things that only it can do, and that a state legislature cannot. Absent this, then two larger nations is acceptable, but not desirable, nor necessary.

The future will simply belong to those who want it badly enough. Right now, that is the left--but that is because they are currently more fully mobilized in their hearts, a mobilization that usually carries no personal cost for them under current conditions. Change that, and the calculations may change also, on the margins. And it is the margins you start with.

Posted by: Horatius at April 27, 2015 06:33 PM (UKhBB)

351 The CVS is torched.

Posted by: Emotional Protestor at April 27, 2015 06:34 PM (xQX/f)

352 @346

So what's your solution. No, really, what's your solution? Sic transit Gloria Mundi. A patriot knows that as well as a slave. Most of us have had kin who fought in ww2, korea, and 'nam. A number of the Horde are serving or retired soldiers. Your perspective ain't nothing special, though every man has a right to his opinion. Do we hold on to the decaying last, or do we as patriots inculcate American values in our children and our communities so something of what we were, the best of us, survives the collapse? I'm sure people ranted at the monks too, but they're one of the only reasons we have anything left of rome.

Posted by: lurkingestlurker at April 27, 2015 06:37 PM (STOK5)

353 "I'm sure people ranted at the monks too, but they're one of the only reasons we have anything left of rome."


What some folks, particularly anti-religion ones, don't get is that without churchmen like St. Augustine, Duns Scotus, Thomas Abelard and any of the Scholastics, the Renaissance and the Enlightenment would have been well nigh impossible.

Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at April 27, 2015 06:49 PM (2mJMN)

354
The answer is send Conservative children on the long march thru the institutions like the left did. Have them lie about what they believe until they have taken over.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 27, 2015 06:50 PM (m3iiU)

355 They don't deserve ANYTHING. Except one thing.

Posted by: Trump at April 27, 2015 06:51 PM (fiHK6)

356 I see that they are cutting fire hoses in Baltimore....smart.

Posted by: Bruce J. at April 27, 2015 06:58 PM (iQIUe)

357 Can a dog divorce his ticks?

Posted by: Farmer Bob at April 27, 2015 06:59 PM (sqpGi)

358 Yes. The answer is yes.

Now the question becomes: how?

Where do we make the divide? What is the verbiage of the new Constitution? What do we do to prevent or mitigate the backlash of the act, and there will be backlash?

I am unconcerned with the bloodiness of the fighting that is coming, for fairly obvious reasons, but what of the military, presumably it would be our side succeeding which means we surrender THAT asset and risk it being turned against us--and the red shoe debacle should prove quite soundly that the military is quite nicely in the lefty pocket, it should have been about an ROTC cadet being court martial end for refusal to follow the order.

Posted by: Cthulhu at April 27, 2015 07:16 PM (P4OMO)

359 Isn't this part of the the whole "States Rights" thing???

Ah...just a little trip up the thread...

Posted by: Horatius at April 27, 2015 06:33 PM (UKhBB)



THIS!!!

Posted by: Portnoy at April 27, 2015 07:32 PM (NQE5S)

360 Exactly. I'm not familiar with any case of a country splitting up without war.

===========

Czechoslovakia did it

Posted by: Campesino at April 27, 2015 08:08 PM (+eJsy)

361 ACE, Article 5 is the only way this can be done, peacefully. Why won't you help? Or do you relish The Burning.

Posted by: Brendan at April 27, 2015 08:36 PM (8YVZT)

362 United States and Cities of America.

The 30 highest populated cities become city-states with 2 senators each and their own representatives. The rural area of the state with one of the cities retains statehood with a lower number of representatives.

Posted by: scrood at April 27, 2015 08:37 PM (3b9U4)

363 362 United States and Cities of America.

The 30 highest populated cities become city-states with 2 senators each and their own representatives. The rural area of the state with one of the cities retains statehood with a lower number of representatives.

It can be done. Article 5, my man. Article 5.

Posted by: Brendan at April 27, 2015 08:47 PM (8YVZT)

364 As long as it isn't a North/South split, because I'm also sick of the South's baggage. (You think Lincoln was the devil? What are you doing in his Party, then?)

Posted by: Shoot Me at April 27, 2015 09:02 PM (EQcfE)

365 How dey gonna pay fo'shit if we's go?

1861 2.0

Posted by: Xavier at April 27, 2015 09:04 PM (K0Lfo)

366 One line of my family has been in this country since 1637. Landed in Jamestown as an indentured servant a mere thirty years after the place was founded.


Sixteen - hundred-and-thirty-fucking-seven.


They can kill me but I'll be goddamned if I am willingly giving up my home state, where my ancestors risked their lives almost 400 years ago to create a new and better world. They fought disease, starvation, hostile natives. They fought in every major conflict from Bacon's Rebellion up through me serving in Iraq (with the exception of WWI I think, for whatever reason.) They bled for this country. They DIED for this country. Don't I owe them that much? To fight for what they created rather than tucking tail and skulking off and surrendering much of this land to the prog scum?

Posted by: radar at April 27, 2015 09:06 PM (yxDFx)

367 Probably already been said, but -

Who pays child support and alimony?

Because you know the SJWs will be wanting all of that they can get.

Posted by: GhengisGuppy at April 27, 2015 09:29 PM (/WY4u)

368 I'm not ready to discuss secession yet, but I certainly can't rule it out. I think we need to talk about nullification before we take the drastic step of secession.

Posted by: Gryph at April 27, 2015 09:42 PM (LUj6d)

369 Mark down one immigrant to the new State of Milton Friedman....it is the only way baby.
The pursuit of happiness in a free society --free of Dem nihilistic, butt-fcuking, haters.

Posted by: The roost aint what it used to be at April 27, 2015 09:47 PM (7GI9v)

370 Late to the party but had to say it.....we can see it coming from a way off but it won't be any one person or group that sets it deliberately in motion. It will be a trigger event that mushrooms into the stratosphere of consciousness and that will set the stage for the "divorce". Yes, it will be war but it is that or live on your knees forevermore. From the mayors of big cities giving rioters room to destroy to the BLM trying to evict and conquer it is growing fast and will hit in some random place that no one saw coming. Look how fast WACO went up, that is your guardians at work. Look at other incidents of misconduct of the government, IRS, hidden emails, illegal immigration, making ICE a baby-sitting service, unconstitutional acts by the Feds and hand-wringing by the locals lest they make their masters upset....all aimed at individuals but sometime in the future they will move the stone that triggers an avalanche and it will be on. We came close at the Bundy ranch (one pulled trigger and.......) Now they are face to face at a gold mine. These armed camps are becoming more frequent as more people refuse to knuckle under. We now have Sheriffs telling state legislatures that they won't enforce new gun laws so even the governments are fracturing. The cities will rue the day that they awoke the countryside.

Posted by: lowready at April 27, 2015 09:51 PM (rvyIQ)

371 Please do. Last time you Confederates seceded you got your shit stomped in. Would love to see it happen again

Posted by: Oalooka at April 27, 2015 09:54 PM (iYr7p)

372 How do we accomplish this on a geographic basis?

Posted by: ballistic at April 27, 2015 09:59 PM (415sS)

373 We tried this before. It didn't happen.

My ancestors fought on both sides.


Let the HUNGER Games Begin.

Gentlemen, lock and load.

Posted by: Ray at April 27, 2015 10:02 PM (AVxHd)

374 This is fucking stupid. I don't know what happened to this site, but its gotten progressively shittier. Me thinks someone needs to take some time away from politics and do some other things.

Posted by: taylork at April 27, 2015 10:14 PM (InDbP)

375 Polite divorce will not happen. Americans just aren't made for that. So it will have to be nasty and don't think that the other side won't call in the Chinese for help.

Posted by: daisy at April 27, 2015 10:15 PM (Zp4Jf)

376 I have been saying for years that the social compact is broken. There are two fundamentally incompatible visions of America, and those on one side have no regard for the civil rights of the other side.
I think there are three options going forward:
1) tyranny
2) civil war
3) peaceful re-negotiation and/or breakup
#3 can be done through public pressure. Most people in every state have loved ones in other states; probably much more so than was the case in 1861.That factplus communications technology would enable citizens to resist feckless zealots and fascistsin leadership who might prefer war.
Thisthird option needs to happen soon, before one side is trampled on too much or there is another Reichstag fire.

Posted by: Spudnik at April 27, 2015 11:07 PM (SH35r)

377 I think it is Richard Fernandez who claimed that the U.S. is currently in a cold civil war.

In 1861 in borderline states, some families split along ideological lines where brothers found themselves in opposing armies in the Civil War.

That split looks surgically clean compared with the polarization and demographics we have today. Even Texas has a forty to sixty percent split across party (and ideological) lines. And tell me how many individual families fall completely on on one side or another.

What is happening is very simple. Americans don't know their own history, and the painful carnage of the past has been all but forgotten. We once remembered and respected the high price a country pays when we don't give each other enough latitude and respect to live and let live.

We are going to have to rediscover it.



Posted by: Levin at April 27, 2015 11:17 PM (6pgRO)

378 There's no running away from this. Where ever you go, the destructionists will follow.

There's only ever been two options. Fight back or submit.

Posted by: Grimmy at April 27, 2015 11:24 PM (uUsh9)

379 #377, Levin, so true. Very few of the younger generation knows any history at all and what they do know is warped. Even older peeps like me (age 65) have forgotten how we got here.
There was an article today on "Sipsey Street Irregulars" that everyone needs to read. It is about Mike Vanderboegh's (the proprietor of that blog) early actions as a communist and his reformation due to READING some books a German Doctor asked him to look at.
The link to the site won't go thru (it asks for a "tiny url" and I don't have a clue what that is) but you can just go to Sipseystreetirregulars and look at the post entitled an anniversary to remember, my benedict arnold period.
It's worth your while.





Posted by: lowready at April 27, 2015 11:49 PM (rvyIQ)

380 I'm probably too late for commenting but I've been on board this train for a while now. Watching the country I love waste away into what it has been depressing for long enough. For me it was more being the state of Utah and being told by a judge that my vote to change the state Constitution here was meaningless because some mental cases want me to bow down at their Altar of Buttsecks.

I think you can keep the Constitution as it is mostly intact - just remove some of the fluff that progs have added like changing the Senators into Congresspeople as well as the income tax. Beef up the 10th Amendment so it is clear that judges would have to consider that as the top priority in the event that some situation hasn't been listed out already. Either way I think states need to be given an extra mechanism to serve as a check on the 3 federal branches. Clarify grounds for impeachment and clarify the "commerce Clause" so you can't twist it into a broad law to mean whatever you want. And either outlaw political parties or make it so that smaller parties can gain influence in an easier way so we don't end up with what we have now, which is a one party system with two names.

Posted by: arcadehero at April 27, 2015 11:51 PM (Ij4xM)

381 Excuse me?
Ace has been in favour of faggot marriage since forever. After the alleged divorce, who guarantee us he will not push for faggot marriage again in the 'safe' side of America? If you bring along people like Gabe it is going to be fucked up all over again.

Truth is that it was written all over the wall, and idiots were the ones saying it was a matter of justice to give faggot marriage to faggots.

You are part of the problem, it does not matter how much you propose 'solutions'.

If all idiots avoided participating in faggot marriage maybe the message out would have been clear. We are not going to put up with this crap.

But no.... you had to participate in faggot marriage!

You have made your beds, now lie in it.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 28, 2015 01:32 AM (rnV3B)

382 I've been thinking for a while that we need to start battlefield prep. Things are going to get much worse. We may want to start segregating our political profiles from our personal ones. By that I mean have NO connection between the e-mail addys you use for business and personal finance and the ones you use for politics. It would really stink to have your power turned off because you can't make a payment ever since you crushed a special snowflakes argument on a social forum. Use different devices and IPs if you can.

Check your FB and other Social media pages. Have no overlap there as well. If you are vocal enough, they could be checked. Plus, if you haven't already deleted anything embarrassing from them. do so now. That beer can pyramid photo you posted from your college days won't look so cool on your boss's monitor as you are being fired.

Lastly, build up a supply of additional profiles on news/discussion sites. It would be better to do so now, which will give them a longer existence. Post several comments just so it becomes legitimate. I personally wouldn't want to go sock-puppet with them. Just think that any of these could instantly be your primary discussion identity.

Posted by: calbadger at April 28, 2015 01:39 AM (Bco6Z)

383 I don't think of it as seceding from America, but rather seceding _to_ America.

Posted by: Guy in Texas at April 28, 2015 01:55 AM (AcmH4)

384 You have no idea what you are advocating. The separation of which you speak would be occasioned by death and destruction on a level this country has not seen since the Civil War. In fact, given the advances in firearm and explosive technology in the intervening 150 years the magnitude of destruction would be several times worse. If you think what is happening in Baltimore is bad imagine that multiplied by a factor of 10 in communities across this country. My ancestors went down this road before. It didn't work out. Prior to the Civil War Mississippi was one of the richest states in the Union. Look at it now. It still hasn't recovered from a war that ended 150 years ago. Furthermore, such a split would not simply occur with out outside interference from the wolves waiting at our nation's door. Instead of promoting this we need to do everything in our power to prevent it.

Posted by: Joel at April 28, 2015 04:56 AM (fYfuB)

385 I felt almost certain that had Romney won, secession would have moved to the front burner. All the NE media, coastal 'elites' and the Ivy League-types would have been rubbing their chins and discussing how hopelessly divided we are as a nation. And that perhaps, a structural division would be wise. You know--so the enlightened ones wouldn't have to live under Neanderthals like Romney and those of us too dumb to 'get it' yet.

In such a case, as sorrowful as it would be, were I President, I would have reluctantly agreed--in order to 'strengthen what remains' (if anything actually does). I would also have let it be known that, if those desirous of leaving would begin work on a practical plan, my administration would consider a framework. Also, I would let it be known that I would not expend one ounce of American blood trying to prevent their leaving.

As it is, O won again and if we can't save a part--we'll soon have nothing. JMHO.

Posted by: jrrt at April 28, 2015 06:51 AM (s7dxf)

386 I have been hoping the secession idea would start slipping into mainstream consciousness for a while. Personally, I see no value in this nation sticking together. There are irreconcilable political and cultural differences here. And I'm entirely sick of it being insisted that I'm "tolerant" of everything, while these cretins are 100% intolerant of our views. There is a social contract in play here. And when one side has a seperate set of rules for themselves, that contract will not last.
Let me know when the movement picks up steam. I'm all in.
And I'm glad I'm on the side with the guns.

Posted by: Ed at April 28, 2015 07:21 AM (udRDY)

387 It would be absolutely humorous to watch the deep blue areas flounder after everyone with any sense leaves, and what they're left with is their voting base.
The entire "blue america" would be Baltimore.

Posted by: Ed at April 28, 2015 07:23 AM (udRDY)

388 Man, there are some insane logistical issues with this. We realize that2/3 of the counties in this country are probably red. We literally have surround these blue urban shitholes where the left has their voting base corralled like a bunch of livestock.
I really think it should be broken up into anywhere from 4-7 different countries. Being a midwesterner, I'd love to see an independent nation made up of Ohio, WV, KY, IN, and Southern Illinois, and maybe even parts of other states as well. (No thanks, Chicago. Fuck off and die.)

Posted by: Ed at April 28, 2015 07:34 AM (udRDY)

389 The only reasonable outcome is two split the country into two or more separate nations. I love this country and all it has given me, but for the last 30 years the hatred from the left is unbearable. Why, if they hate conservatives like me so much, should we remain together? We simply do not have a common culture, philosophy or set of values. There is no reason nor any purpose in pretending otherwise. As for how, your mom taught you this one years ago: One side divides, one chooses.

Posted by: Sad Patriot at April 28, 2015 08:57 AM (Jm0Pt)

390 It's way past time.

Posted by: Bocephus at April 28, 2015 09:20 AM (KIuQw)

391 So, Ace, you're saying let them have all of the densely populated, wealthy parts of the country and we get, what, potato farms in Idaho and some of Texas?

That's a shitty deal. No thank you.

Posted by: DriveBy at April 28, 2015 10:43 AM (C9Vc8)

392 I feel compelled to add: what's not dying in America is the love of freedom. In case one has forgotten that, you have only to notice the resurgence in support for the 2nd Amendment, that great bette noir of the left.

No, what's dying is the socon subset. Right now, Americans hate/fear the socons more than they hate/fear the fascists, because they don't believe fascism can happen here. (They're wrong, but that's another question.)

The way forward, if you really support the notion of America as a free country, is to bury the socon/paleocon crap and start pretending that every liberty is worth defending for a change.

Posted by: DriveBy at April 28, 2015 02:34 PM (C9Vc8)

393 You all are making the solution more difficult than it needs to be. What does the "self-sustaining culture" in the big cities actually produce? Nothing. They are net takers of everything.
Isolated from we the producers, they will shortly starve, both financially and physically.
One week without food, energy and revenue and the cities will be cannibalizing each other.
Problem solved.

Posted by: Constitution First at April 29, 2015 01:23 PM (L5LCw)

394 Walter Williams called it 15 years ago . . .
http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2010/04/07/parting_company

Posted by: pithnvinegar at April 30, 2015 01:57 PM (r9tgu)

395 I am 100% with Jjod on this one.

As we've established, there cannot, by ideology or geography, be an amicable divorce. The alternative to amicable divorce is revolution, and while the left is the most twisted from America's original spirit, I have the strong sense that the right has lost the mercy of Lincoln and Adams, a mercy which is necessary if you don't want a revolution to end badly.

So, don't secede formally. Secede, instead, by the manner in which you live. Don't wait for legal permission to start a Christian fundraiser, or build a shed in your backyard, or stop a shoplifter, or save someone from drowning, or educate the next generation. Just do it. And if you do get in legal trouble for it, it's the enforcers who will have some serious explaining to do.

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