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Corker's "Deal" On Iran Oversight Is a Con Job on Conservatives; Scheme Intends to Authorize Obama to Drop Sanctions, While Giving Craven Political Whores The Phony Excuse That They Voted Against Doing So
Wow.
I've had this Andrew McCarthy piece open since last week, but I just only now read it. Do you remember how Mitch McConnell schemed to increase the debt limit, while suckering conservatives with a claim that conservatives voted against it? The scheme worked like this: Congress authorized the president to increase the debt limit on his authority. (Actually, we're already at the stage of falsehood, because he wouldn't be raising the debt limit on his own authority, but with the authority Congress had just voted him.) Now, the deal also granted, supposedly, Congress the power to block the raising of the debt limit, by voting a "resolution of disapproval." But here's the thing: The president can veto that. Which is what he did, of course. So the debt limit was raised in this way: 1. Republicans voted to give Obama the power to raise the debt limit. They didn't take responsibility for this themselves; they just said Obama could do so, if he wanted. 2. But Republicans retain the right to "block" it, supposedly, with a vote of disapproval. 3. But which Obama can veto -- which every Republican knows he will do. 4. McConnell, Corker, and all the other other con artists now get to claim they didn't raise the debt limit. Heck, they even voted a Resolution of Disapproval against it. What they don't tell you is that this had been designed from the start to pass the debt limit increase, with a fake Resolution of Disapproval voted on and vetoed, which had been planned from the start, so that they could lie and say they "voted against" the increase in the debt limit. Well, Corker's alleged "compromise" with the Democrats and Obama on the Iran "deal" plays exactly the same game with foreign policy. Obama will submit his "deal" to Congress -- including the ending of all sanctions -- and that deal will become law in 60 days unless Congress votes a "resolution of disapproval" against the deal. But Congress -- Corker, McConnell, and the other con artists and liars -- cannot vote such a resolution, because 1, just 40 Democratic Senators could filibuster it, and, failing that, 2, Obama could veto it. Thus, this "compromise" is once again constructed so that the GOP can give Obama the power he desires while they pretend to vote against it. Notice this pattern: They continue giving Obama every fucking thing he wants, and then they go home to their districts and states and say "we did everything we could to stop him, but by jiminy, we just couldn't manage it." Failure Theater -- Act II. It Gets Worse:Treaties require 2/3 majority to ratify. Corker law requires 2/3 majority (veto override) to stop POTUS. Polar opposite. @AceofSpadesHQ
— S D Winkler (@sdwinkler) April 20, 2015Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at April 20, 2015 01:37 PM (xpPRn)
I heard Levin rip this apart for over a week. It is the Senate having SCOAMF over a barrel with him need ing 67 votes to approve anything to the Senate preemptively giving him something that the Senate would then need 67 votes itself to override.
Total surrender by the GOP.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 01:37 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 20, 2015 01:38 PM (BZAd3)
I know I sound convoluted in #2 but suffice it say they are surrendering their complete advantage. Yet again.
The Constitution is dead.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 01:38 PM (St6BJ)
There is truly no difference between the parties. And they have the same goals, one just lies about them.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at April 20, 2015 01:39 PM (xpPRn)
Posted by: Roy at April 20, 2015 01:39 PM (VndSC)
It isn't surrender. Surrender is when you are beaten.
There's another word for going so far as to join the other side.
Posted by: @JohnTant at April 20, 2015 01:39 PM (tVWQB)
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at April 20, 2015 01:39 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: redsweater at April 20, 2015 01:39 PM (q5JWV)
Dunno if that's true. But if it is, they may get more than they bargained for with this con.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 20, 2015 01:40 PM (HDwDg)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at April 20, 2015 01:40 PM (UhRGU)
Posted by: Sharkman at April 20, 2015 01:40 PM (72D6h)
Posted by: Obama at April 20, 2015 01:40 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Roy at April 20, 2015 01:40 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Old Hob at April 20, 2015 01:40 PM (Lp6I1)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at April 20, 2015 01:41 PM (UhRGU)
I knew I thought it was funny that Bob Corker was in the lead on this. The guy's a fucking backbench establishment hack. Former mayor of Chattanooga, I believe, and has accomplished absolutely nothing along with his Democrat-lite partner Lamar Alexander.
Levin blew a fucking gasket last week and was way out ahead of all this.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 01:41 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: just bob at April 20, 2015 01:42 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at April 20, 2015 01:42 PM (Lqb+9)
The Republicans pull it on their constituency every election and it always ends with, "... if you vote for the opposition, you will be helping to have four more years of Democrat rule." As if electing Republicans EVER makes any difference.
One way or another, we need a new party.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 20, 2015 01:42 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at April 20, 2015 01:42 PM (bCJvd)
The thing to remember that this is not merely the internal political, societal and economic destruction of the nation. This is leaving us and the world open to nuclear war.
This is really so utterly beyond the pale as to be radiant.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 01:43 PM (St6BJ)
I think it's political. The GOP has to know that this Iran deal is a POS. They seem to be taking the tack that Obama's name will be attached to it, and when it turns out to be a disaster that he and he alone will be blamed. So the GOP seems happy to let it go forward, provided they have cover, so a rival political party can be blamed.
That real people are going to die doesn't seem to enter into the GOP's political calculations.
Posted by: @JohnTant at April 20, 2015 01:43 PM (tVWQB)
Posted by: Old Hob at April 20, 2015 01:40 PM (Lp6I1)
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When Obama is happy, his cronies are happy.
His cronies donate equally to Dems and Reps.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 01:44 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: nip at April 20, 2015 01:45 PM (a6Odp)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 20, 2015 01:45 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 20, 2015 01:45 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: just bob at April 20, 2015 01:45 PM (wkuqO)
That real people are going to die doesn't seem to enter into the GOP's political calculations.
Posted by: @JohnTant at April 20, 2015 01:43 PM (tVWQB)
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You're assuming anyone in the GOP is smart enough to calculate a timeline past next Tuesday. Even if what you say is true, the effects wouldn't be felt for years from now. There's a simpler explanation. The GOP has decided the best way to position itself for 2016 is to not fight Obama...on anything. That's it.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 01:45 PM (0LHZx)
Israel besieged by enemies who want to, and are capable of destroying it? Yep. Gog/Magog (Russia) issuing not-at-all-subtle warnings to Israel to not retaliate on Russia's supplying Iran with missiles by supplying Ukraine with the same...
A supposed opposition-controlled Congress bowing to an out-of-control executive, enabling him to give leeway to a nation bent on the annihilation of Israel and the West...
Yep, yep, yep, lookin' mighty End Times out there.
That's fine with me; if that sequence of events does come to pass, well... I know how it all ends, and that's good.
I do feel badly for those that don't have that certainty, though, very badly. To those who do not have faith, all this must be utterly terrifying.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at April 20, 2015 01:46 PM (9LuAk)
Posted by: enola gay at April 20, 2015 01:46 PM (FuIea)
I look forward to President Cruz bypassing an intransigent GOP congress and executive ordering the dismantling of the federal bureaucracy.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 01:46 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: X at April 20, 2015 01:46 PM (n5fTN)
Just further proof that there is only one main party in DC - Dempubes. They lie, scheme, slap each on the back and socialize together while shitting on Americans. Any disagreements are for public show. Kabuki.
I am heartened that we do have some candidates for 2016 that don't seem to fit that mold. I will be wary but I think that we have some that may actually have principles.
Posted by: Cheri at April 20, 2015 01:46 PM (G+Wff)
Posted by: MTF at April 20, 2015 01:46 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Chupacabras at April 20, 2015 01:47 PM (l2max)
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at April 20, 2015 01:46 PM (9LuAk)
I hope it's the end. I'm running out of money and no job prospects to speak of.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 01:47 PM (St6BJ)
Bright side: it might actually shrink the government.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at April 20, 2015 01:48 PM (kfcYC)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 20, 2015 01:48 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: MTF at April 20, 2015 01:48 PM (LISuA)
I think it's political. The GOP has to know that this Iran deal is a POS. They seem to be taking the tack that Obama's name will be attached to it, and when it turns out to be a disaster that he and he alone will be blamed. So the GOP seems happy to let it go forward, provided they have cover, so a rival political party can be blamed.
That real people are going to die doesn't seem to enter into the GOP's political calculations.
Posted by: @JohnTant at April 20, 2015 01:43 PM (tVWQB)
That modern history shows that no way will this be hung on the neck of the Dem party -let alone President Historic First- means they are fools of the highest order as well. Either this party is beyond stupid (possible) or they really are part of the same leftest team. And I am getting tired of assigning ignorance to what is more and more looking like malice.
Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at April 20, 2015 01:48 PM (Lqb+9)
All the Swears.
All of them.
Because, guess what- if the SCOAMT submits his "deal" to Congress today, and Congress does nothing, then nothing happens and the "deal" is dead. This is because the authority to ratify treaties resides with the Senate and the Senate alone. If it chooses not to ratify, then the "deal" is not ratified. Period.
But the [Qbert] GOP is banking on John Q Public not remembering that from Civics class (or Social Studies, or whatever).
Suddenly I'm *glad* I'm in a meeting for most of the rest of the day.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 20, 2015 01:48 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 20, 2015 01:48 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: ace at April 20, 2015 01:48 PM (PA7DS)
I hope it's the end. I'm running out of money and no job prospects to speak of.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 01:47 PM (St6BJ)
Amen to that. I don't think we as a people can stand much more of this "recovery"....
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at April 20, 2015 01:49 PM (9LuAk)
Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at April 20, 2015 01:48 PM (Lqb+9)
It is definitely malice. The GOP is a Potemkin Party.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 01:49 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Cheri at April 20, 2015 01:46 PM (G+Wff)
Those are unicorns
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 20, 2015 01:49 PM (R8hU8)
Posted by: Insomniac at April 20, 2015 01:49 PM (2Ojst)
I tell ya, we would've been fucked otherwise.
Mark Levin called this from day fucking one. He was the first on this I think and he had been talking with McCarthy on this. I've met that guy, kind of darkish but you can tell he's an authentically good guy.
Posted by: prescient11 at April 20, 2015 01:49 PM (q5APL)
Posted by: bjk at April 20, 2015 01:49 PM (dJvtA)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 20, 2015 01:50 PM (LA7Cm)
Whatever the Constitution says, do the opposite.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at April 20, 2015 01:50 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 20, 2015 01:50 PM (39g3+)
The choice will be made by someone other than yourself.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at April 20, 2015 01:51 PM (kfcYC)
I think you misspelled "GOPe enablers".
Posted by: dogfish at April 20, 2015 01:51 PM (1vYi0)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 20, 2015 01:51 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: prescient11 at April 20, 2015 01:51 PM (q5APL)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 20, 2015 01:50 PM (LA7Cm)
Worse than worthless. Dangerous.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 01:51 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Agnus Dude Tanner at April 20, 2015 01:51 PM (9ggbp)
Posted by: Chupacabras at April 20, 2015 01:52 PM (sPO/s)
The choice will be made by someone other than yourself.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at April 20, 2015 01:51 PM (kfcYC)
Relax you kids. It's a vaporizer AND a beheader!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 01:52 PM (St6BJ)
Looking forward to picking up the new book "Clinton Cash". Hopefully this will put a hole into the balloons of the Clinton worshippers who thought that Bill was such a great President and Hillary is oh so inevitable.
Grifters, liars, racists.
Posted by: Cheri at April 20, 2015 01:53 PM (G+Wff)
societal and economic destruction of the nation. This is leaving us and
the world open to nuclear war.
Venn diagram of SCOAMFvoters vs people who have sported "you can't hug with nuclear arms" T-shirts at some time in their life? Oh, look, it's a circle.
If it wasn't so fucking depressing it would be mildly amusing.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 20, 2015 01:53 PM (ZKzrr)
Slight correction. It isn't just what Obama wants, it's what the GOP wants too.
Posted by: dogfish at April 20, 2015 01:53 PM (1vYi0)
Posted by: just bob at April 20, 2015 01:53 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: Agnus Dude Tanner at April 20, 2015 01:51 PM (9ggbp)
There's only one guaranteed way you can have peace - and you have it in the next second - surrender."
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at April 20, 2015 01:53 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: Barry O at April 20, 2015 01:53 PM (wrS2o)
Posted by: Mitch McConnell, Conservative Superhero With Mad Politickin' Skillz at April 20, 2015 01:54 PM (8ZskC)
Remember that the Senate Foreign Relations Committee has 19 people on it and they all voted unanimously in favor of Corker-Menendez. That includes such giants as Barbara Boxer.
Barbara. Boxer. That should have been clue #1 that this was a giant ass-rape.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 01:54 PM (St6BJ)
Remember when we were all talking about the IRS abusing political groups it didn't like and Hillary violating the law with her emails? Seems like ages ago...
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 20, 2015 01:54 PM (39g3+)
Now, Har Megiddo, that is a "hill" to die on. Good luck, Israel.
Posted by: GOP Monkeys, fucking a football at April 20, 2015 01:54 PM (/JOra)
Posted by: hillary at April 20, 2015 01:54 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 01:54 PM (St6BJ)
Sanctions.
Right now, if TFG "removes" the sanctions, he's acting (as I understand it) in contravention of law. Now, he doesn't care about the law, and will gladly ignore it, but for the GOP that poses a problem.
If he violates the law and they do *nothing* then their constituents start to scream and they might lose their phoney-baloney jobs. If he violates the law and they do what they should (Impeach his sorry ass), then they think they'll lose their phoney-baloney jobs (or at least not get invited to the swanky parties).
So... this bukkake theater. "Oh, we *tried* to do something, but that meanie vetoed our resolution! How could he do such a thing!?!"
Once more: All the Swears. All of them.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 20, 2015 01:54 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Princess Leia at April 20, 2015 01:54 PM (UhRGU)
The only solution is to KEEP throwing the bums out, over and over, until we finally get a better class of bums.
Posted by: zombie at April 20, 2015 01:55 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 20, 2015 01:55 PM (lmdHn)
The Mullahs just have to sign the dotted line, wait for the $30 billion to $50 billion to be deposited. And then give the Great Satan a nuclear wedgie.
So will look at these manhole covers in Japan instead.
http://www.ufunk.net/en/insolite/plaques-egout-japonaises/
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 01:55 PM (oEMN+)
Posted by: Seems Legit at April 20, 2015 01:55 PM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 20, 2015 01:55 PM (bLnSU)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 20, 2015 01:55 PM (rDqRv)
Every fucking one of these treasonous bastards.
And yes, you'll have to wiki it, since I don't wish to get banned.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 20, 2015 01:55 PM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Agnus Dude Tanner at April 20, 2015 01:51 PM (9ggbp)
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Yes. Surrender to a caliphate. That's been his wish all along.
Posted by: Soona at April 20, 2015 01:56 PM (/HX7u)
I put up a tweet making that point.
(I had not realized that before.)
Posted by: ace at April 20, 2015 01:48 PM (PA7DS)
Maybe I should look into this Twitter thing . . .
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 01:56 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 20, 2015 01:56 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: The Spelling Police at April 20, 2015 01:56 PM (F9l4e)
Posted by: Old Hob at April 20, 2015 01:40 PM (Lp6I1)
I can't follow the logic on that one, either. Not enough information.
Posted by: troyriser at April 20, 2015 01:56 PM (XHR9b)
I think that a new name is in order for the establishment types that are truly one party....spread it far and wide.
Suggestions? I could only come up with Dorkfishes.
Posted by: Cheri at April 20, 2015 01:56 PM (G+Wff)
I have read McCarthy's article, but I do not see how the Iran agreement become "law."
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 01:57 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Formerly atnorth at April 20, 2015 01:57 PM (TjUEm)
Posted by: just bob at April 20, 2015 01:57 PM (wkuqO)
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Ugh - that should be "writes."
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 01:57 PM (gmeXX)
Whoa. But, yeah.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 01:57 PM (St6BJ)
And for most of the country, they're correct.
Pitiful, just pitiful.
And there are certain people here who claim we must continue to vote these sorts in because "electability", "SCOTUS Noms", "(insert leading Democrat's name here) will be worse", "Because Republicans will never win another race again" or (my personal favorite) "the Xtian right won't vote for the Mormon (or the Cubans, or the Blacks, or the Women etc. etc.) so we have to"
Didn't vote them in this time, and just from their first 4 months, I'm not voting for them in the next election.
They would have to have a "come to Jesus" moment and march on the WH and personally arrest that traitor and then impeach him and convict him before I'd even think of voting for another Republican (except President if it's Walker or Cruz).
50 years of paying fairly close attention to the GOP and I now KNOW that they do not want to be in the majority and if they happen to get to be the majority then they will defer to the REAL majority; the Democrats/Liberals/Thieves and nothing changes. Maybe, maybe the destruction proceeds slightly more slowly. But that's because these guys can't make up their minds on how much to steal. The Democrats don't have that problem because they're going to try for EVERYTHING.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 20, 2015 01:57 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 20, 2015 01:57 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 20, 2015 01:57 PM (rDqRv)
But I'm pretty sure no matter how I slice it, republicans are assholes because they KNOW what their constituency wants and they do the opposite anyway.
Posted by: Seems Legit at April 20, 2015 01:58 PM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 01:58 PM (oEMN+)
Yeah, I'd rather associate with these guys all day than spend 15 minutes with a Congressman.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 20, 2015 01:58 PM (kff5f)
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How does that deal become "law?"
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 01:58 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Garrett at April 20, 2015 01:58 PM (w3BWP)
So...with genius level reasoning like this on display...I'm going to the bunker. And spinning the dials. From the inside.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 20, 2015 01:59 PM (659DL)
Posted by: Formerly atnorth at April 20, 2015 01:57 PM (TjUEm)
OK, He was against amnesty until he confessed he was for amnesty, until it was mistranslated.
If he is president you will be hard pressed to see much difference in his immigration policies from Obama's.
Posted by: just bob at April 20, 2015 01:59 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 20, 2015 01:59 PM (JtwS4)
I have read McCarthy's article, but I do not see how the Iran agreement become "law."
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 01:57 PM (gmeXX)
The GOP have given up advise and consent - SCOAMF needed 67 votes to pass anything into treaty form. Now, Corker-Menendez gives him a fig leaf that no one can effectively oppose.
It's ridiculous.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 01:59 PM (St6BJ)
So...with genius level reasoning like this on display...I'm going to the bunker. And spinning the dials. From the inside.
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But that doesn't make it a treaty? Nor does it make it law?
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 01:59 PM (gmeXX)
- Every 60+ year old federal congressperson
Posted by: Fritz at April 20, 2015 01:59 PM (UzPAd)
If were going to cut our balls off, we should at least get a pair of tits for our trouble.
Posted by: wooga at April 20, 2015 02:00 PM (zoN6Z)
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They're already chanting death to America.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 20, 2015 02:00 PM (XUKZU)
Shrugs Politics ia boring anyway. Let's PARTAY!!!
Posted by: zombie at April 20, 2015 02:00 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 20, 2015 02:00 PM (rDqRv)
So much for strong national defense & un breakable bonds with our allies
Cause GE needs to sell technology to Iran and that more important apparently
Posted by: ginaswo at April 20, 2015 02:00 PM (2EgyQ)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 20, 2015 02:01 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: @JohnTant at April 20, 2015 01:43 PM (tVWQB)
As long as it's our former base, we don't give a flying fuck.
Posted by: El PRL at April 20, 2015 02:01 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: Cheri at April 20, 2015 01:56 PM (G+Wff)
A name for the new party? The new DEMOCRATIC Party, of course, with 'new' in all lowercase, e.e. cummings-style lowercase and 'DEMOCRATIC' in all caps. You know, for the ballots. I know it'll work.
Whatever happens, I do believe it's time for the Republican Party to go the way of the Whigs.
Posted by: troyriser at April 20, 2015 02:01 PM (XHR9b)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 02:01 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: Trump at April 20, 2015 02:01 PM (M7Awp)
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at April 20, 2015 02:02 PM (JgC5a)
Larry Kudlow says we have green shoots.
Moo Moo says the debt is down.
A pot of gold in every garage.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 20, 2015 02:02 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 20, 2015 02:02 PM (zRby/)
That's something anyway.
Posted by: Trump
Black rain falls on the just and unjust alike.
Posted by: zombie at April 20, 2015 02:02 PM (K4YiS)
The only problem I see here in legal terms is if AllenG is right and congress passed a law requiring sanctions on Iran and the president is negotiating to have those removed without going through congress.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 20, 2015 02:02 PM (39g3+)
In this case, I think it's yellow not black.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 20, 2015 02:03 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 02:03 PM (oEMN+)
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at April 20, 2015 02:03 PM (XsOa7)
If were going to cut our balls off, we should at least get a pair of tits for our trouble.
Posted by: wooga at April 20, 2015 02:00 PM (zoN6Z)
I found that really f'n funny. Must be sick too.
Posted by: just bob at April 20, 2015 02:03 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: zombie at April 20, 2015 02:04 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 20, 2015 02:05 PM (39g3+)
If the REpublicans play this bukake theatre on voting against while voting for.
It means for two years the Mad Mullahs of Tehran can spend that $30 billion to $50 billion to cause mayhem and build a bomb or two.
So lets say a Republican gets into office in two and cancels the deal. So what? The Iranians already got their money and two years of non interference.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 02:05 PM (oEMN+)
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at April 20, 2015 02:02 PM (JgC5a)
Once is happenstance.
Twice is coincidence.
Three times is enemy action.
And we are way, way over three times.
Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at April 20, 2015 02:06 PM (Lqb+9)
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 02:06 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: zombie at April 20, 2015 02:04 PM (K4YiS)
You really believe Obama's antipathy toward Israel goes that far?
Posted by: troyriser at April 20, 2015 02:06 PM (XHR9b)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD)
Black rain is the name for wet fallout.
Posted by: zombie at April 20, 2015 02:06 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: John Boner in Assless Chaps at April 20, 2015 02:06 PM (QRz0C)
Now, now. Let's not have the facts interfere with the OPTICS.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 20, 2015 02:07 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 20, 2015 01:58 PM (kff5f)
15 minutes with a Congresscritter won't save you 15% or more...unless you donate at least 5% to its campaign fund.
Posted by: Government Employees Insura...er...Lobbyist Company at April 20, 2015 02:07 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 02:05 PM (oEMN+)
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IMHO, I think Iran already has a bomb or two.
Posted by: Soona at April 20, 2015 02:07 PM (/HX7u)
I have read McCarthy's article, but I do not see how the Iran agreement become "law."
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 01:57 PM (gmeXX)
I haven't been paying attention, but I thought Congress passed laws that prohibited certain economic transactions with Iran. Sanctions, they said.
So now Obama, with a wave of his mighty hand, repeal laws passed by congress and lift sanctions? Just like that? "Make it so", he said, and it was done.
Posted by: Agnus Dude Tanner at April 20, 2015 02:07 PM (9ggbp)
Posted by: just bob at April 20, 2015 02:08 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 20, 2015 02:08 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 20, 2015 02:02 PM (39g3+)
You mean these?
http://www.state.gov/e/eb/tfs/spi/iran/statutes/index.htm
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 20, 2015 02:08 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: troyriser
Yes.
Have we yet seen the Khalidi video? (That the LA Times is sitting on?) No. Guess why.
Posted by: zombie at April 20, 2015 02:08 PM (K4YiS)
It's the new "Serenity now."
Posted by: CozMark at April 20, 2015 02:08 PM (jNpfr)
The only solution is to KEEP throwing the bums out, over and over, until we finally get a better class of bums.
Posted by: zombie at April 20, 2015 01:55 PM (K4YiS)
Maybe someday we'll get upgraded to hoboes.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 20, 2015 02:08 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 02:05 PM (oEMN+)
And then Iran cooks one off over Tel Aviv, and 'it happened on a Republican's watch!!!!'
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at April 20, 2015 02:08 PM (fwARV)
I know that I know that I know, Obama is not a real deep thinker on this shit (or anything else, if you believe differently prove it with writings etc..). He really is thinking about his next tee time.
Posted by: Seems Legit at April 20, 2015 02:08 PM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at April 20, 2015 01:40 PM (UhRGU)
Mommas don't let your babies grow up to be RINOs...
Posted by: LizLem at April 20, 2015 02:09 PM (yRwC8)
A pot of gold in every garage.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 20, 2015 02:02 PM (W5DcG)
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The deficit (not debt) is down. But why let facts get in the way of a good rant?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 02:09 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Seems Legit at April 20, 2015 02:09 PM (A98Xu)
My premise that this is all kabuki to distance ourselves from Israel, so that we can claim clean hands after they strike, remains the only explanation (other than flat out treason from ValJar, which I can't discount).
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 02:09 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: George Washington at April 20, 2015 02:10 PM (ax+2w)
Posted by: wrg500 at April 20, 2015 02:10 PM (kQBSd)
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 02:10 PM (gmeXX)
@Philip_Elliott 1m
WASHINGTON (AP) - Navy officials: US warship heads to Yemeni waters to intercept Iranian weapons shipments.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 20, 2015 02:10 PM (P55y/)
They can't use it for a test because then the whole world knows they have one (including their citizens).
They know that if Israel were certain they had one, they would unleash a suicide attack, disregarding the safety and return of the pilots to ensure success.
I can't believe they don't already have one due to them being allied with Russia, Pakistan and N.Korea.
So it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of "what are they waiting for".
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 20, 2015 02:11 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: Chupacabras at April 20, 2015 02:11 PM (5npD/)
Posted by: just bob at April 20, 2015 02:11 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: Seems Legit at April 20, 2015 02:09 PM (A98Xu)
They're not ignorant, they're complicit.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 20, 2015 02:11 PM (2Ojst)
The first stage was created when Jimmy Carter allowed the Shah to fall. And now we got Gaylord injecting the Tritium and soda straws to make the beast live.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 02:11 PM (oEMN+)
Posted by: Blair and his bottle of vodka at April 20, 2015 02:11 PM (s7rRm)
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 02:10 PM (gmeXX)
NOT ones passed and mandated by Congress. I mean up until now and this POS Corker crap.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 20, 2015 02:11 PM (rDqRv)
See, with that we have the executive overstepping its constitutional imitations and congress should be focusing on that but all we hear is "treaty" and 2/3rds vote" and "advise and consent" which is a total red herring and has no bearing.
And then Iran cooks one off over Tel Aviv, and 'it happened on a Republican's watch!!!!'
And a Republican probably wouldn't be inclined to play the lying, illegal money shell games that the Obama administration has been doing just to keep the whole economy from crashing, so huge unemployment and inflation blamed on the GOP, too.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 20, 2015 02:11 PM (39g3+)
How about we pass legislation that in 2016, only those between 35 and 60 will be eligible to be elected president ?
Posted by: McCool at April 20, 2015 02:12 PM (TQxRy)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 20, 2015 02:12 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Madge at April 20, 2015 02:13 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 20, 2015 02:13 PM (zpZLP)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 20, 2015 02:13 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 20, 2015 02:11 PM (39g3+)
But my open borders policy will balance that out and all the Hispanics will vote GOP(e) forever- trust me.
Posted by: Jeb at April 20, 2015 02:14 PM (Lqb+9)
Nice mountain property ain't cheap. Bad mountain property ain't much cheaper.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 20, 2015 02:14 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: just bob at April 20, 2015 02:08 PM (wkuqO)
DEATH TO AMERICA has been replaced with UNFORTUNATE ACCIDENT TO AMERICA
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 20, 2015 02:14 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 02:10 PM (gmeXX)
NOT ones passed and mandated by Congress. I mean up until now and this POS Corker crap.
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I do not know the specifics of the various laws. But this again is a weak form of Congress asserting its power - which I am pretty much against. I'd prefer the strong - Constitutional form.
Anytime there is bipartisan consensus - I expect the public to get screwed.
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 02:15 PM (gmeXX)
Yea, this has the potential to end well.
Posted by: wrg500 at April 20, 2015 02:15 PM (kQBSd)
I'm not a Republican anymore.
I'm not a Republican anymore.
I'm not a Republican anymore.
I'm not a Republican anymore.
I'm not a Republican anymore.
I'm not a Republican anymore.
I'm not a Republican anymore.
I'm not a Republican anymore.
Serenity now.
Serenity now.
Serenity now.
Serenity now.
Serenity now.
Serenity now.
Posted by: CozMark at April 20, 2015 02:15 PM (jNpfr)
Face this - we're being *farmed*
Like, keep 'earning' your little bit o' cash and keep putting it by. Like, keep getting angry at the people we direct you towards. Like, rest assured the necessary haelthcare will be there in your sunset years after your productive life is finished. And more, far more.
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at April 20, 2015 02:15 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: McCool at April 20, 2015 02:12 PM (TQxRy)
Why not pass it now?
Posted by: Rubio at April 20, 2015 02:16 PM (Lqb+9)
"we did everything we could to stop him, but by jiminy, we just couldn't manage it."
Then we'll primary every fucking incumbent and find people who can.
Problem solved. You're fired.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 20, 2015 02:16 PM (MtdoN)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 20, 2015 02:13 PM (zpZLP)
NO. It's not a treaty. All this does is allow Fredo to waive the Congressional Sanctions. And allow certain vulnerable dems to say they voted against Fredo initially. It's all bullshit and a total cave
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 20, 2015 02:16 PM (rDqRv)
"Forty-nine percent (49%) of voters now believe most Muslims worldwide view the United States as an enemy, up from 39%"
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 20, 2015 02:16 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 20, 2015 02:13 PM (zpZLP)
Good question but lawyers can say this simple law does not over ride the constitution because .........
add your reason there and if the court even looks at it.
IMHO it is an illegal law.
Posted by: just bob at April 20, 2015 02:16 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: troyriser
It isn't just Obama. I guarantee you half - if not more - of the Democrats in Congress would happily pour Zyklon B into a shower packed full of Jews.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 20, 2015 02:16 PM (zF6Iw)
@Philip_Elliott 1m
WASHINGTON (AP) - Navy officials: US warship heads to Yemeni waters to intercept Iranian weapons shipments.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 20, 2015 02:10 PM (P55y/)
By "intercept", we meant "escort to port".
Posted by: ObamiNation Navy at April 20, 2015 02:16 PM (cL79m)
So. I'm good.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 20, 2015 02:16 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 20, 2015 02:10 PM (P55y/)
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John F'n Kerry will get on stage and do a tap dance number and then the Iranian ships will be allowed to proceed.
Posted by: Soona at April 20, 2015 02:16 PM (/HX7u)
The mullahs don't care about being called RAYCISSTSS! or we could play the "you can't nuke all these Black and Hispanic people!" card. *srednop*
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 20, 2015 02:16 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 02:16 PM (oEMN+)
Posted by: Gmac- Pulling in feelers in preperation... at April 20, 2015 02:16 PM (4CRfK)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 20, 2015 02:17 PM (evdj2)
I mean, seriously.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 20, 2015 02:17 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: George Orwell at April 20, 2015 02:17 PM (QRz0C)
Posted by: The Tree of Liberty at April 20, 2015 02:17 PM (XMDuf)
"Forty-nine percent (49%) of voters now believe most Muslims worldwide view the United States as an enemy, up from 39%"
Posted by: The Great White Snark
99% of polls are total bullshit.
Posted by: zombie at April 20, 2015 02:17 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 20, 2015 02:17 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: McCool at April 20, 2015 02:12 PM (TQxRy)
Worked out marvelously in 08.
Posted by: Obama at April 20, 2015 02:17 PM (Lqb+9)
Posted by: Formerly atnorth
OK, He was against amnesty until he confessed he was for amnesty, until it was mistranslated.
If he is president you will be hard pressed to see much difference in his immigration policies from Obama's.
Posted by: just bob
I'll just add that you should expect his mouth to be lying on his real intentions. He fully intends to get into office and do what's best for you rubes contrary to what you may want. 'Merica Second! Hells yeah!
Posted by: dogfish at April 20, 2015 02:17 PM (1vYi0)
Yea, this has the potential to end well.
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Tonkin Gulf
Bay of Pigs
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 20, 2015 02:17 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 02:18 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: Lloyd Braun at April 20, 2015 02:18 PM (NF2Bf)
Posted by: Titanium at April 20, 2015 02:18 PM (IaeoE)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 02:19 PM (oEMN+)
Posted by: troyriser at April 20, 2015 02:06 PM (XHR9b)
Let me put it this way - Israel won't survive Teh SCOAMT's scheduled second term.
Posted by: steveegg at April 20, 2015 02:19 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 02:16 PM (oEMN+)
Your just trying to make me feel better. Don't tease me.
Posted by: wrg500 at April 20, 2015 02:19 PM (kQBSd)
That state is weird politically. Ostensibly a "conservative" state but they have sent some squishes up at times.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 20, 2015 02:19 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 20, 2015 02:19 PM (rDqRv)
****
Dunno about that. McCarthy's a staunch defender of special prosecutor Fitzgerald, who maliciously railroaded Scooter Libby.
Posted by: Noam Sayen at April 20, 2015 02:19 PM (FkgZk)
OTOH, it may. What kind of light does that put it into?
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at April 20, 2015 02:19 PM (3ZtZW)
More than that, since some of that 49% believe they hate us because we're "oppressing" them by refusing to cover our women and not letting them rule over us and whatnot.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 20, 2015 02:19 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: McCool at April 20, 2015 02:12 PM (TQxRy)
I'd love to pass legislation that decreed if you give up - permanently - your right to vote you'd get $5K every Election Day. It's not like we're already drowning in debt, and perhaps we could finally weed out the lo-fo mofos who pollute the elctoral rolls.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 20, 2015 02:20 PM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 02:20 PM (oEMN+)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 20, 2015 02:16 PM (MtdoN)
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This is something that should have been demanded 20 years ago. I truly think that we're quickly running out of time.
Posted by: Soona at April 20, 2015 02:20 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 20, 2015 02:21 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 02:09 PM (0LHZx)
It's like Macy's announcing a 50% off sale after jacking up prices 110%.
He's the most profligate spender far and away. Spending more than every administration COMBINED. And our unfunded liabilities top out over $210 Trillion.
Yet you give him kudos for cutting the deficit by $200 billion?
Pfft.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 02:21 PM (St6BJ)
I'd take that deal. I've been thinking that my vote isn't worth the energy cost of driving to the poll.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at April 20, 2015 02:22 PM (QRz0C)
And, uh, yeah, ace. No shit.
Have you not met the GOPe yet?
This is what they do. Play games to push the "tough" decisions on to Obama, then claim they "did everything they could" to do whatever their wingnut base wants.
Win/win for the R's.
Win/win/sort of lose for Obama, since he gets the flak, but uh... he doesnt care if R wingnut base types hate him. And he gets his political priorities passed.
Really, win/win for everyone. Except us. We're the marks in this con game. The marks never win.
.Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:22 PM (AkOaV)
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Congress has been doing this since the delegation doctrine.
Really there is not much new here.
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 02:22 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 20, 2015 02:19 PM (rDqRv)
I'm thinking a "Bedford Incident" type thing happening.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 02:23 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: JohnJ at April 20, 2015 02:24 PM (TF/YA)
I'd take that deal. I've been thinking that my vote isn't worth the energy cost of driving to the poll.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at April 20, 2015 02:22 PM (QRz0C)
Totally verifiable. Just like the Iran deal.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 02:24 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 20, 2015 02:24 PM (zRby/)
Moo, will you stop with this lunacy?
Every day, dude.
Deficits were 200-300 billion under D congress / R pres.
Obama jacks them up to 1T + for a few years, then goes back down to half a trill, and says he cut the deficit in half.
So yes, it was cut in half if you use his "one time" stimulus as the base line. If you use, say, 2007 as a baseline, it's increase by 25%.
If you use 1902 as a baseline, it's increased by a metric fuckton.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:24 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 02:24 PM (oEMN+)
Posted by: Formerly atnorth at April 20, 2015 01:57 PM (TjUEm)
Depends. Do you want the Spanish language or English language version?
Posted by: mugiwara at April 20, 2015 02:25 PM (D5hxK)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 20, 2015 02:19 PM (rDqRv)
Kind of puts the bombing of a US aircraft carrier mockup in a new light.
Posted by: wrg500 at April 20, 2015 02:25 PM (kQBSd)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 02:24 PM (oEMN+)
If the Kaptain al-Krunch on the Iranian destroy Farsikle decides to take some pot shots at a USN ship, I don't think any captain is going to wait for the Navy Dept to tell him what to do.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 02:26 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 02:26 PM (St6BJ)
With Obama as CnC I do.
Posted by: wrg500 at April 20, 2015 02:27 PM (kQBSd)
I haven't looked at that. He also is a defender of the NSA illegal activity. I've had words with him on that.
On most everything else though the guy is brilliant.
Posted by: prescient11 at April 20, 2015 02:27 PM (q5APL)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 20, 2015 02:28 PM (zRby/)
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I'm not sure it becomes law so much as it becomes practice. Maybe one in the same - but it is not a low under the Constitution - nor a treaty.
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 02:28 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: MacGruber at April 20, 2015 02:28 PM (kQBSd)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 02:26 PM (St6BJ)
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He will if the CiC commands him to do so.
Posted by: Soona at April 20, 2015 02:28 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at April 20, 2015 02:22 PM (QRz0C)
Same. And my polling place is less than 4 blocks away.
Posted by: Bete says it is going to burn, why bother putting it off? at April 20, 2015 02:29 PM (Lqb+9)
Well, to be fair, "law" is such a ... nebulous term. Very ill defined as of late.
Kind of like Obamacare. I'd call it an "enabling act", others call it a law... your mileage may vary, ya know?
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:29 PM (AkOaV)
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I'm sure they did something similar during 2006-2008. The looked like they were opposing the war - but they never actually stopped funding.
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 02:30 PM (gmeXX)
How many more fuckups and failures will it take for people to admit that Space X is a weirdo-billionaire's pipe dream?
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 02:30 PM (fCXCT)
Didn't we demonstrate that even Moo's deficit numbers are way off.
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 20, 2015 02:30 PM (evdj2)
If you use 1902 as a baseline, it's increased by a metric fuckton.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:24 PM (AkOaV)
I haven't heard that unit of measure before, but it is definitely my go-to from now on. I don't care if my husband wants me to stop cussing. This is so unbelievably appropriate for our current circumstances.
Thanks for giving me a smile today.
Posted by: Moki at April 20, 2015 02:30 PM (x303I)
It was Jimmy Carter's zero-based budgeting approach.
Used to be govt agencies were funded separately each year. Separate bills and budgets. So if one rogue agency was out of control, it wouldn't hold up the entire fucking government.
The geniuses in the GOP have stuck with Carter's buffoonery.
Posted by: prescient11 at April 20, 2015 02:31 PM (q5APL)
There are about nine U.S. ships in the region, including cruisers and destroyers carrying teams that can board and search other vessels.
Great, thanks, AP for the brilliant reporting. "About 9 ships, cruiser and destroyer types of things carrying people."
Fucking nailed it, AP.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:31 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 20, 2015 02:31 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 02:30 PM (fCXCT)
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Are you old enough to remember the "Vanguard" era?
Posted by: Soona at April 20, 2015 02:32 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at April 20, 2015 02:32 PM (jB5eK)
No problem.
But don't confuse "metric fuckton" and "imperial fuckton".
Biggg difference.
Also, "fucking metric fuckton" is a metric fuckton to the fuckton power.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:32 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 20, 2015 02:32 PM (wtvvX)
Hopefully, the Democrats will have no problem emulating this.
Posted by: MTF at April 20, 2015 02:32 PM (LISuA)
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Agree - which is why I prefer the term "decree" for most of what passes as laws.
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 02:32 PM (gmeXX)
First they would annihilate the Carrier Task forces, so as to slow forward deployment of assets. Nukes are a good choice for this, especially in the narrow confines of the gulf. And getting close enough is fairly easy.
While the US is bringing assets from other theaters into the Indian Ocean, Med and Gulf, they would then proceed to either hold Israel hostage or reduce it to glass.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 20, 2015 02:33 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: NYC Parent plumbing ever greater depths of cynicism and disgust at April 20, 2015 02:33 PM (HEo6y)
Don't get it. Did you want coordinates or something? Its good to be vague.
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at April 20, 2015 02:33 PM (3ZtZW)
. There are Republican senators running for POTUS. Whichever blows the whistle on this scam by Corker et al gets my vote. That also translates to every Republican senator running for POTUSthat doesn't blow the whistle on this scam does not get my vote.
Perhaps we should make them choose for a change.
Posted by: booter at April 20, 2015 02:34 PM (Lg1F3)
Gaylord, "The Senate has been dissolved."
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 02:34 PM (oEMN+)
And the Iranians are going to be, "Ahh, habebe please come search our ships, I make tea for you".
Posted by: wrg500 at April 20, 2015 02:34 PM (kQBSd)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:32 PM (AkOaV)
And a fuck raised to the screwth power is a fuckit.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 20, 2015 02:34 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Moki at April 20, 2015 02:34 PM (x303I)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 20, 2015 02:35 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Dan at April 20, 2015 02:35 PM (COpZ4)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:32 PM (AkOaV)
And a fuck raised to the screwth power is a fuckit.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 20, 2015 02:34 PM (wtvvX)
And what fractional portion of a fuckton is a shitload?
Posted by: Insomniac at April 20, 2015 02:35 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 02:32 PM (gmeXX)
Enabling Act.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 20, 2015 02:35 PM (mf5HN)
Its not good to root for the nuking of an American city, town, whatever. Yet many seem to think its going to happen anyway. I don't necesaarily think they're wrong.
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at April 20, 2015 02:35 PM (3ZtZW)
I don't know if they'd use a nuke against the USN, knowing that there are nuclear armed boomer subs wandering around out there ready to retaliate.
Pop up, shoot nuke, disappear under water. Very hard to defend against that. Especially for a shit country like Iran.
But who knows?
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:35 PM (AkOaV)
Dude, that's a lot of work and stuff. One vote means we leave all the effort to the staffers and can get on with our hookers and blow.
-Congress
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 20, 2015 02:36 PM (39g3+)
A fuckton is a shitload raised to the shitton power, squared, divided by pi.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:36 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 02:37 PM (oEMN+)
Obama jacks them up to 1T + for a few years, then goes back down to half a trill, and says he cut the deficit in half.
So yes, it was cut in half if you use his "one time" stimulus as the base line. If you use, say, 2007 as a baseline, it's increase by 25%.
If you use 1902 as a baseline, it's increased by a metric fuckton.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:24 PM (AkOaV)
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As a % of GDP, 2014's deficit was the same as in the mid 80s.
I know math can be hard, but come on.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 02:37 PM (0LHZx)
A fuckton is a shitload raised to the shitton power, squared, divided by pi.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:36 PM (AkOaV)
Thanks for, uh, clearing that up... *walks away muttering and counting on fingers*
Posted by: Insomniac at April 20, 2015 02:37 PM (2Ojst)
Do you think the titular CoC would give that order?
Posted by: NYC Parent plumbing ever greater depths of cynicism and disgust at April 20, 2015 02:37 PM (HEo6y)
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We have laws, statutes, and decrees. Most of what we refer to as laws are really just statutes and decrees.
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 02:38 PM (gmeXX)
You need to get the tangent of shitload to get the conversion from metric to imperial fucktons.
Don't blame me, the Byzantines came up with this ridiculous conversion system!
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:38 PM (AkOaV)
Enabling Act.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 20, 2015 02:35 PM (mf5HN)
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I'm beginning to refer to mandates coming out of DC now as "the king's deree" or "the king's edict".
Posted by: Soona at April 20, 2015 02:38 PM (/HX7u)
Tel Aviv and Riyadh are the first two to go.
Posted by: wrg500 at April 20, 2015 02:38 PM (kQBSd)
I know math can be hard, but come on.
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OMG - can we not have this debate again?
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 02:38 PM (gmeXX)
He's the most profligate spender far and away. Spending more than every administration COMBINED. And our unfunded liabilities top out over $210 Trillion.
Yet you give him kudos for cutting the deficit by $200 billion?
Pfft.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 20, 2015 02:21 PM (St6BJ)
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Once again....
As a % of GDP, 2014's deficit was the same as the mid 80s.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 02:38 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: The Walking Dude at April 20, 2015 02:38 PM (cCxiu)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 02:37 PM (oEMN+)
Got it in one.
Iran is taking rational steps to achieve its irrational (to us) goal.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 20, 2015 02:38 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Insomniac at April 20, 2015 02:38 PM (2Ojst)
There is one ratzass of shitloads in a fuckton.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 20, 2015 02:39 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: dogfish at April 20, 2015 02:39 PM (1vYi0)
-Congress
They could phone it in from pedo island. But that would require,
smarts.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 20, 2015 02:39 PM (MtdoN)
I know math can be hard, but come on.
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OMG - can we not have this debate again?
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 02:38 PM (gmeXX)
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Stating a fact isn't a debate. The debate is from TruConz who insist that the world is ending because the deficit is no worse than it was 30 years ago.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 02:39 PM (0LHZx)
That's my point, I don't think they need an order from the CoC.
I think their standard orders are "go out to sea, wander around, and if any nukes get launched at us, launch back" and they have a bunch of pre selected targets in a bunch of countries.
I don't know that for a fact, but that would be my guess.
Because the whole system was designed around the idea of a Soviet / US nuclear slugging match, I can't imagine the subs were supposed to surface and wait for orders from DC before retaliating. In a real nuclear war, those orders from DC may never come.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:39 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at April 20, 2015 02:40 PM (DT3rQ)
Easily, but then he claimed an official government source was a whackjob conspiracy.
That's when shit went meta.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 02:40 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: SMOD at April 20, 2015 02:40 PM (NF2Bf)
GDP was measured differently in the 1980s. Apples and oranges.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 20, 2015 02:40 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 20, 2015 02:40 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 02:40 PM (xSCb6)
GAME OVER, MAN! GAME OVER!
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 20, 2015 02:40 PM (mf5HN)
First they would annihilate the Carrier Task forces, so as to slow forward deployment of assets. Nukes are a good choice for this, especially in the narrow confines of the gulf. And getting close enough is fairly easy.
While the US is bringing assets from other theaters into the Indian Ocean, Med and Gulf, they would then proceed to either hold Israel hostage or reduce it to glass.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 20, 2015 02:33 PM (zRby/)
Airbursts aren't overly effective against warships. Subsurface bursts, on the other hand,....
The problem is the Iranians have a few submarines, and the USN surface fleet's ASW isn't worth the sonobuoys they used to have.
Posted by: steveegg at April 20, 2015 02:41 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 20, 2015 02:41 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 02:41 PM (oEMN+)
That's when shit went meta.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 02:40 PM (xSCb6)
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You dunce, for the 1000th time, the debt does not increase by the size of the deficit. You can have a positive deficit (ie a surplus) and the debt will still increase. We had 2 surpluses in the 90s and the debt still increased. I've explained to you numerous times why this happens and still you have to go off on some conspiracy theory bullshit.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 02:42 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 20, 2015 02:39 PM (MtdoN)
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Most LIV's probably think "pedo island" is a place where they only ride bicycles to get around.
Posted by: Soona at April 20, 2015 02:42 PM (/HX7u)
On the other hand, my first boss at State was held for 444 days in that shithole. My second boss worked for him. Both were adamant about never resuming a diplomatic relationship with Iran. I have mad respect for both, so I can just imagine what this is doing to them.
So, I guess I'm pretty okay with what's coming down the pike.
Posted by: Moki at April 20, 2015 02:42 PM (x303I)
Moo,
Can you see why using % of GDP to measure government deficits, debt, or spending is a stupid measurement?
Because GDP is calculated with the stupid Keynesian C + I + G = Y formula? (then controlled for imports/exports)
With, of course, the G being "government spending".
So what are we really calculating when we say "debt is only 10% of GDP (or whatever), just like it was in 1982, but 40% of GDP in 2015 is government spending on all levels" ?
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:42 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 02:40 PM (xSCb6)
GAME OVER, MAN! GAME OVER!
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 20, 2015 02:40 PM (mf5HN)
*builds campfire*
*sings a couple of songs*
Posted by: Insomniac at April 20, 2015 02:42 PM (2Ojst)
The debt was 1:1 to GDP in the 80's??
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 02:43 PM (fCXCT)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 20, 2015 02:44 PM (wtvvX)
You have provided SMOD with one day's amusement.
You will be smashed last.
Posted by: SMOD at April 20, 2015 02:44 PM (NF2Bf)
You really are an arrogant POS aren't you.
You blithely assume you have the facts and that no one else has contrary evidence nor can they understand yours.
What. Ego.
Why do you come here?
To feed your deflated ego I guess cause you aren't making any friends or converts. So unless you get paid by the word or something, you're a very sad, sad person to step in here and insult people, make claims that are known to be incomplete or false and then boast about it and insult people's intelligence or comprehension.
Or is it you have mommy issues and any attention is better than no attention at all?
Get. Help. Soon you will start to realize that you're only high point of the day is when you take the time to insult people you don't know and will never see, who do not like you nor care for your opinions and who think you're a miserable POS who really should get a life as long as you get it somewhere else.
I wish you'd say something stupid enough to get you banned because you've become and overbearing tedious interruption while I'm scrolling the comments looking for something to brighten my day or make me think. None of your comments (well maybe one once) have ever done that for me.
Why don't you try to contribute instead of degrade?
And if you think you're already contributing, You're mistaken.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 20, 2015 02:44 PM (zRby/)
Can you see why using % of GDP to measure government deficits, debt, or spending is a stupid measurement?
Because GDP is calculated with the stupid Keynesian C + I + G = Y formula? (then controlled for imports/exports)
With, of course, the G being "government spending".
So what are we really calculating when we say "debt is only 10% of GDP (or whatever), just like it was in 1982, but 40% of GDP in 2015 is government spending on all levels" ?
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:42 PM (AkOaV)
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So now GDP isn't a reliable indicator. Deficits aren't reliable. Just exactly what is reliable? Wait I know...it;s what ZeroHedge and Glenn Beck say.
PS: did you buy your gold? I hear Glenn Beck says you have to buy today, like right now. Otherwise you will be homeless and shit.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 02:44 PM (0LHZx)
Perhaps the perfect boot to stomp Iran with.
http://www.shoebuy.com/demonia-stomp-300/396544/847603
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 02:44 PM (oEMN+)
Uhh.. a "surplus" would be a "negative deficit" in newspeak, no?
And please explain to me how there can be no deficit, yet debt can go up?
If revenue in = spending out, then the debt should stay the same, no? (slight fluctuations, maybe, from rolling over old debt if the interest rates change significantly, although interest rates are a current expense, not 'added to the debt')
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:45 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 20, 2015 02:35 PM
^^^Ja.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 20, 2015 02:45 PM (h4vJk)
As in Obama Fex....
Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 20, 2015 02:44 PM (wtvvX)
And all this time I thought it was turd...
Posted by: Moki at April 20, 2015 02:45 PM (x303I)
With, of course, the G being "government spending".
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:42 PM (AkOaV)
The G portion is actually "government spending on hard, physical assets such as tanks, roads and buildings". The portion of government spending on hard, physical assets is only an ever-shrinking sliver of all government spending.
Posted by: steveegg at April 20, 2015 02:45 PM (cL79m)
What. Ego.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 20, 2015 02:44 PM (zRby/)
___________
When you start spewing nonsense like "GDP and deficit data isn't real" you sound like a crazy person.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 02:45 PM (0LHZx)
increase by the size of the deficit. You can have a positive deficit (ie
a surplus) and the debt will still increase. We had 2 surpluses in the
90s and the debt still increased.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 02:42 PM (0LHZx) "***
Heh, your "explanation" requires me to believe in alternate math, and accounting methods that are expressly illegal in the private sector.
Don't ask me to believe in your unicorns you worthless skinbag.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 02:46 PM (xSCb6)
23 Why sell us out on Iran, as well? Where's the benefit?
I think it's political. The GOP has to know that this Iran deal is a POS. They seem to be taking the tack that Obama's name will be attached to it, and when it turns out to be a disaster that he and he alone will be blamed. So the GOP seems happy to let it go forward, provided they have cover, so a rival political party can be blamed.
That real people are going to die doesn't seem to enter into the GOP's political calculations.
Posted by: @JohnTant at April 20, 2015 01:43 PM (tVWQB)
******************************************************************
So when the Dems are in power, they enact disastrous policies.
When voters wise up and elect Republicans to power, they continue to enable Democrat disasters to make them look even worse, I guess?
I suppose it will *never* be time to stand up to the Dems and stop their policies? Maybe they don't wish to appear racist by opposing The One?
Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at April 20, 2015 02:46 PM (xkSSa)
http://www.shoebuy.com/demonia-stomp-300/396544/847603
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 02:44 PM (oEMN+)
Available in Pig Leather!!!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 20, 2015 02:46 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: wrg500 at April 20, 2015 02:46 PM (kQBSd)
Uh, no Moo, it's not a reliable indicator.
Which is why most honest economists, including noble winning Milton Friedman, use GNP for their calculations, not GDP.
I've never heard anyone with any knowledge of economics argue GDP was a good indicator, only that it was better than some others (for example, GNP has problems vis a vis exports / imports and calculating them correctly)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:46 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 20, 2015 02:48 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 20, 2015 02:48 PM (ZKzrr)
I'm not sure what to make of them. Yeah, they are attempting some heady stuff but the failures are stacking up on failures.
Saying "No, it didn't crash. It just sorta fell over" is not very reassuring.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 20, 2015 02:48 PM (LA7Cm)
Who said it was okay? My comment was a snark on the apparent unconcern shown by our elected officials to the prospect of a Nuclear armed Iran.
It's been obvious since the dawn of the nuclear age that all capitols would be targets. Also major cities.
But the era when that was a distinct possibility has faded and now people don't think about it as much.
Time to remember.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 20, 2015 02:48 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: Your GOP at April 20, 2015 02:48 PM (DR2C4)
No, you sound like an ignorant idiot when you don't realize how the government gives us REAL DATA, then uses silly accounting and math formulas to make said REAL DATA look better to the low info dunces.
When everyone with even a small knowledge of accounting or economics anywhere on the political spectrum knows that the formulas and accounting done in DC would mean jail time if tried in the private sector.
Like, everyone. You can find liberals saying the same shit. You can find libertarians, conservatives, democrat operatives, republicans, ANYONE with even a little knowledge saying the same shit.
Then you come on here, ignorant of the world around you, and tell people who are clearly more informed than you that they're "crazy".
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:49 PM (AkOaV)
Don't ask me to believe in your unicorns you worthless skinbag.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 02:46 PM (xSCb6)
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Dunce,
Here's a really simple example:
Year 1:
Income $100K
Expenses $200K
Deficit $100K
Total Debt: $100K
Year 2:
Income $100K
Expenses: $80K
Deficit ($20K Surplus)
Accrued Interest $30K
Total Debt $110K
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 02:49 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: just bob at April 20, 2015 02:49 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: Methos at April 20, 2015 02:50 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 02:50 PM (oEMN+)
I don't know, can we get one of the cobs to just ban it?
It's so hard not to feed the trolls, especially the trolls who are so laughably ignorant yet think they're smarter than everyone else.
I, for one, do not have that kind of self control.
It's like shooting fish in a barrel. But yes, it does tend to kind of ruin threads.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:50 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 02:51 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: Jack at April 20, 2015 02:51 PM (53CCM)
Posted by: Corey Feldman, too Legit to Quit...or shut up. Or disappear at April 20, 2015 02:51 PM (3yfGn)
What's gonna happen is SpaceX will kill a few people. Then obama's govt will step in and put a stop to it.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 02:51 PM (fCXCT)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 02:51 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 02:46 PM (xSCb6)
I never thought I'd say this, but the Mooer is right...because the feral government has adopted accounting methods that are expressly illegal in the private sector.
In the specific case of 1998-2000, the current-operations surpluses in the various "trust funds", and the "interest earned" by said "trust funds" were counted as positive revenue for the purposes of the deficit/"surplus", even as they were converted to Treasury securities and spent, driving up the total debt.
Posted by: steveegg at April 20, 2015 02:52 PM (cL79m)
Posted by: Methos at April 20, 2015 02:50 PM (ZbV+0)
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to govern just means to control
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 02:52 PM (gmeXX)
IIRC, the subs actually had a towed antenna for ELF (Extremely Low Frequency) radio--in the event, a signal would be sent by this means that would effectively act as the "trigger" for the missile boats to do their thing.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at April 20, 2015 02:52 PM (DT3rQ)
http://is.gd/k92p6B
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 20, 2015 02:48 PM (ZKzrr)
Oh that's great.
Also holy crap it just was monsooning here and then started to hail with pea sized hail.
That was fun.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 20, 2015 02:52 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Your GOP at April 20, 2015 02:53 PM (DR2C4)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 02:51 PM (fCXCT)
Edward's AFB has streets named after dead test pilots.
I say let them fly.
Posted by: just bob at April 20, 2015 02:54 PM (wkuqO)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 20, 2015 02:52 PM (mf5HN)
I'm staring out the office window at slate-grey skies and pouring rain. And I can feel the chill in my bones. Global warming my fat, pockmarked ass.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 20, 2015 02:54 PM (zF6Iw)
If you want to make up your own "real" numbers, go ahead. But just don't expect anyone to take you seriously.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 02:55 PM (0LHZx)
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/selection-du-weekend-136-46.jpg
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 02:55 PM (oEMN+)
Oh, moo moo.
"accrued interest" is an accounting term relevant only to whoever owns the debt.
GOVERNMENT (the ones issuing the debt) pay interest on the 'current expenses' side of the ledger.
Just like your credit card bills -- they're current liabilities, not "accrued interest" (which refers to the interest accrued since the bond was issued, and has nothing to do with this conversation at all)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:55 PM (AkOaV)
Federal govt deficits cannot, I repeat, cannot melt steel. Therefore Obama is cooking the books.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 02:55 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: NCKate at April 20, 2015 02:55 PM (AQRFf)
Posted by: wrg500
We have to take care of our retards. It's the Christian thing to do.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 20, 2015 02:55 PM (P55y/)
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at April 20, 2015 02:56 PM (3ZtZW)
If you want to make up your own "real" numbers, go ahead. But just don't expect anyone to take you seriously.
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We get it - you aren't convincing anyone - and no one is convincing you.
Can we just move on.
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 02:56 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Jay Sherman at April 20, 2015 02:56 PM (ZKzrr)
First off, that's not even true.
But if it were true, fine. If your brain can't understand basic macro econ 101 stuff, I don't know what to tell you.
Luckily, most of the rest of the country can figure it out when its explained to them. It's not a very difficult concept to master.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:56 PM (AkOaV)
I think they will solve the landing part - what I question is the economics. Is a re-usable 1st stage really that much of the launch cost, to justify this. They're the ones with the numbers, I've heard there competitors are scared.
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 02:57 PM (ztOda)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/kycqcor
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 02:57 PM (0LHZx)
So.... anybody want to discuss 70s music?
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at April 20, 2015 02:56 PM (3ZtZW)
Don't get me down, Brrrrruce.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 20, 2015 02:57 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Jean at April 20, 2015 02:57 PM (ztOda)
It's so hard not to feed the trolls, especially the trolls who are so laughably ignorant yet think they're smarter than everyone else.
I, for one, do not have that kind of self control.
It's like shooting fish in a barrel. But yes, it does tend to kind of ruin threads.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:50 PM (AkOaV)
It's one of the eternal questions in life
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 20, 2015 02:58 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: Kenway at April 20, 2015 02:58 PM (UiBVq)
Posted by: wrg500 at April 20, 2015 02:46 PM (kQBSd)
Because skinny trolls are stringy and can't feed the extended family.
Posted by: Mr. Ogre at April 20, 2015 02:58 PM (cL79m)
I thought we communicated with underwater subs with HAARP. You know, the thing in alaska that Iranians thought we used to cause earthquakes in their country.
High frequency whatever.
I don't know, radio frequencies aren't my thing. Just like economics isn't moo moos thing.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 02:59 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at April 20, 2015 02:59 PM (3ZtZW)
First heads on the pikes will be Republican.
Posted by: Miley's Tongue at April 20, 2015 02:59 PM (4bCZC)
Posted by: Agnus Dude Tanner at April 20, 2015 02:59 PM (9ggbp)
It's like how you can't feed the ducks, but they just want to be fed and you have bread and...
Shit, sometimes it happens man. Sometimes you break the law and feed the damned ducks. So cute watching them fight over stale bread.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:00 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 02:57 PM (0LHZx)
An opinion piece by a guy with a degree in public policy from UC-Berkeley? Seriously?
Posted by: Insomniac at April 20, 2015 03:00 PM (2Ojst)
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/selection-du-weekend-136-46.jpg
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 02:55 PM (oEMN+)
I need that sign. A lot.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 20, 2015 03:00 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: jim at April 20, 2015 03:00 PM (VwhRo)
In 2010/2011 the same doom and gloom types were convinced housing would never rebound. Since then housing has appreciated 20-40% depending on the area of the country.
When your entire outlook is nothing but fear and doom/gloom, you will never be happy. Even if all the evidence in front of you points one direction, you'll convince yourself everyone else is wrong and you're right. So OK, whatever, deficits are out of control and Glenn Beck is right. Buy gold gold gold baby!!
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 03:01 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 03:02 PM (xSCb6)
That does not address any of the points you were trying to make. It's just a snarky bald guy burning down strawmen with a flame thrower.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:02 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: BurtTC at April 20, 2015 03:03 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Kenway at April 20, 2015 03:03 PM (UiBVq)
Posted by: Insomniac at April 20, 2015 03:00 PM (2Ojst)
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I know right, a guy with a college degree? What does he know. I know this dude who dropped out at 16 and now owns an HVAC company making $200K a year. College is for losers.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 03:03 PM (0LHZx)
I worked on a vertical landing system for shipboard UAVs - its not easy.
Why not make them so they transform into helicopters or harriers? Like Transformers.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 03:03 PM (fCXCT)
HAARP was ionospheric research. (Depending on your grade of tin foil, it may also have been weather control, anti-UFO weapons, or a means to make your ice cream go all melty on command.) In any event you need the ELF radio waves to penetrate water, which blocks anything else nicely at any real depths.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at April 20, 2015 03:03 PM (DT3rQ)
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/selection-du-weekend-136-65.jpg
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 03:03 PM (oEMN+)
Oh, Moo Moo.
It's so unfortunate that economic illiterates like you vote. We expect politicians to be fast and loose with the numbers. But to see supposedly "smart" people like you not only not get basic economics, but insult people who DO... Ah, oh well. I guess ignorance is bliss.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:03 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Mr. Hawaiian Dress at April 20, 2015 03:03 PM (P55y/)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:02 PM (AkOaV)
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If you read the comments, it's the same paranoid nonsense as people post here.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 03:04 PM (0LHZx)
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So I guess we will not just give it a rest.
People just want the deficit to go away and debt to go down.
We just think the country will be stronger if the debt were smaller.
Why that bothers you so much is beyond me.
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 03:04 PM (gmeXX)
And definitely fewer since the USSR collapsed.
Numbers don't mean a lot as there are quite a few hunter killers included in the total of submersibles.
And, to top off my point, there are many that are deployed too far away to do anything immediate.
As was mentioned although a nuke might not take out a Carrier, it will severely hamper it's operation, destroy quite a few of it's support and defensive vessels and since a sub (usually a hunter killer ) is attached, it too could suffer damage.
It would just be a delaying tactic and it wouldn't require them to deliver the nuke by missile. (neither would doing Tel Aviv)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 20, 2015 03:04 PM (zRby/)
Too bad there's not an acronym for laughing my laptop onto the floor.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 03:04 PM (xSCb6)
Tel Aviv and Riyadh are the first two to go.
Posted by: wrg500 at April 20, 2015 02:38 PM (kQBSd)
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wrg500,
Would they not be concerned about Israeli retaliation just the same? Or do you think their hatred of Israel would lead them to ignore the danger?
Posted by: RioBravo at April 20, 2015 03:04 PM (NUqwG)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 03:04 PM (oEMN+)
Huh.
You know how we have those weekend threads here? I would love it if one of the weekend cobs, maybe with Ham radio or other frequency and radio wave knowledge, could do a thread on the subject.
It's a subject I'd love to learn more about, but my eyes always glaze over when I try to read up on it.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:05 PM (AkOaV)
This proves that even Democrats can become a "corporate raider" and "vulture," just like Al Gore, or a rich, cold-hearted job destroyer, like Barack Obama.
Posted by: Obama For-ks America at April 20, 2015 03:05 PM (e8kgV)
I can imagine.
Trying to mate a vertical descending rocket with a moving, rolling, pitching flat ship surface would seem as difficult as you could find.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 20, 2015 03:05 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 02:30 PM (fCXCT)"
You do realize the launch was a success, don't you? It was just the wacky first stage recovery that failed.
Posted by: Chris M at April 20, 2015 03:06 PM (k3w9p)
I think if Iran nuked Israel, and Israel retaliated, Israel would get full on fury and hate from the world and the UN.
If I were Iran, i'd be less worried about Israeli nukes then American ones.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:06 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at April 20, 2015 03:03 PM (DT3rQ)
Or?
*twirls propeller charmingly*
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 20, 2015 03:06 PM (mf5HN)
Convair makes hair blow dryers.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 03:06 PM (fCXCT)
You're deliberately being a complete douchebag, per usual. You trot out as your trump card an opinion piece written by a guy trained in one of the biggest left-wing liberal cesspools in the country, and expect it to be accepted as divine revelation brought down from the mountaintop. You really are a total asshat and a prime example of the Dunning-Krueger Effect.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 20, 2015 03:06 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Eis at April 20, 2015 03:07 PM (ZKzrr)
People just want the deficit to go away and debt to go down.
We just think the country will be stronger if the debt were smaller.
Why that bothers you so much is beyond me.
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 03:04 PM (gmeXX)
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That's fine. I have a different opinion, but whatever. My problem is with people who look at the numbers and think that the numbers are somehow fake or cooked. That is just paranoid bullshit.
And as I explained above, even if the deficit does go away, the debt will still keep increasing for years to come. Our deficit today is practically non-existent as a % of GDP. It might well be less than 1% for 2015.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 03:07 PM (0LHZx)
You do realize that the flight of the Hindenburg was a success, don't you? It was just the tethering in NJ part that had a slight failure.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:07 PM (AkOaV)
Holy. Shit. This isn't America. I didn't know about any of this, and now that I do...well....T/D/T/D.
Posted by: Obama at April 20, 2015 03:07 PM (MYCIw)
@362
A college degree that has nothing to do with the subject matter he's discussing. Hmmmm. Oh well, it's a college degree, daddy knows best, just trust big brother and his college degree and it'll all be well. (See how easy it is to be flippant, and how little it actually brings to the table?)
Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Plush Porcupine at April 20, 2015 03:07 PM (k8xvx)
Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at April 20, 2015 03:07 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 03:07 PM (oEMN+)
Funny thing about jumping off a roof. It's not the fall that kills you; it's the landing.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 03:08 PM (fCXCT)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 03:03 PM (oEMN+)
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What's funny is one of the foreign names for the yellow. "Pissenlit"?
And from the comment earlier in the thread about "fex" being singular for feces, a new nic is born: Fex Pissenlit.
Posted by: Soona at April 20, 2015 03:08 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Mr. Poo Poo at April 20, 2015 03:08 PM (UiBVq)
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Maybe so, but what does he know of microaggressions of the patriarchy?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 20, 2015 03:08 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 03:08 PM (MYCIw)
That's cause all the rocks and water are soooo much closer.
little room for mistakes or accidents.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 20, 2015 03:09 PM (zRby/)
Country Singer can learn you up on that topic.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 20, 2015 03:09 PM (LA7Cm)
Didn't they just find a WWII carrier that had been nuked twice (as part of a test) and survived? (I think I saw that on the ONT last night)
So, eh, I don't know what would happen if a nuke hit a modern carrier, but I don't think it would be pretty.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:09 PM (AkOaV)
Look at the maps. Israeli population is massed in the little neck of land in the north. Then there are vast empty spaces between Israel and anywhere else. So, Israel can get nuked quick and retaliatory nukes may get a few cities but the majority survives.
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at April 20, 2015 03:09 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 03:10 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 03:10 PM (0LHZx)
Yeah I went on a wikipedia surfing expedition recently and for some reason ended up reading up on our sub fleet.
I think we're good nuclear boomer wise to retaliate against anything thrown at us.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:11 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Tattoo Ewe For the Year of the Sheep at April 20, 2015 03:11 PM (nCKKS)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 03:10 PM (xSCb6)
It's more of a "the sun will rise in the east" thing.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 20, 2015 03:11 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at April 20, 2015 03:11 PM (bitPb)
Posted by: Mr. Poo Poo at April 20, 2015 03:11 PM (UiBVq)
Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at April 20, 2015 03:12 PM (Dwehj)
don't you? It was just the tethering in NJ part that had a slight
failure."
The SpaceX first stage was not the cargo. The cargo made it to orbit just fine. Most (all?) other rockets just throw away the first stage into the ocean. SpaceX is trying to recover it intact.
Posted by: Chris M at April 20, 2015 03:12 PM (k3w9p)
Posted by: prescient11 at April 20, 2015 03:12 PM (q5APL)
Posted by: Fritz at April 20, 2015 03:13 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 20, 2015 03:13 PM (evdj2)
I don't know why you're talking about two talking heads like you're on to something.
Read some economics books, brah. Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell are both good starting points.
In fact, Thomas Sowell's "Basic Economics" would do wonders for your brain and your understanding.
It's at 101 level and doesn't have too many big words. I think you can understand it. No pictures though, unfortunately.
Then you can move on to the more complicated stuff like Hayek. More big words there.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:13 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Foo Foo's Dubloons at April 20, 2015 03:13 PM (k8xvx)
Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at April 20, 2015 03:13 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: jdflorida at April 20, 2015 03:13 PM (8kjy4)
The Able and Baker tests at Bikini. Able was an air burst and truthfully most of the ships shrugged it off. Baker was an underwater detonation which sunk many ships.
USS Independence and the German cruiser Prinz Eugen seemed to survive Baker. Prinz Eugen's reputation as a lucky ship seemed intact, was being towed and made it to Kawajalein before capsizing.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 03:13 PM (oEMN+)
They'll take out the Manhattan financial district in an attempt to collapse the US economy. That was what the World Trade Center was all about. D.C. to paralyze the decision making process and perhaps collapse the US Federal government.
Otherwise, Iran will use conventional weapons and proxy militia to get what they want in the middle east. Saudi Arabia is move of a target than the USN.
Posted by: Agnus Dude Tanner at April 20, 2015 03:13 PM (9ggbp)
400 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 03:07 PM (oEMN+)
Yeah I went on a wikipedia surfing expedition recently and for some reason ended up reading up on our sub fleet.
I think we're good nuclear boomer wise to retaliate against anything thrown at us.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:11 PM (AkOaV)
Iran has been practicing blowing up our battleships and brags about their sea mines. They are gearing up for war.
Posted by: Tattoo Ewe For the Year of the Sheep at April 20, 2015 03:13 PM (nCKKS)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 03:14 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Plush Porcupine at April 20, 2015 03:14 PM (k8xvx)
Oh they could still be intact, more or less. And if they buttoned up quick enough, the crew would be somewhat okay also.
Except for any on deck at the time.
Radios? = gone
Planes stored or launching on flight deck? = gone or heavily damaged.
Superstructure? = not as well protected and a surface blast would do a lot of damage.
That's not counting the possible compression from the impact wave.
Note the Independence WAS sunk.
depends on how big the blast and how close they got.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 20, 2015 03:14 PM (zRby/)
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Yeah - I haven't seen anyone on this board cite them to back up their points. I have seen Friedman and Sowell used.
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 03:14 PM (gmeXX)
Yup.
Everyone involved, from the prosecutors on down should be in prison and forced to surrender every penny they ever make to the families.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 20, 2015 03:15 PM (0HooB)
Supremes wouldn't take the case. They'd argue that it's between the executive and legislative branches, and that the legislative branch has plenty of recourse if they really feel the executive is stealing power.
Of course, the legislative is giving up power on it's own in order to avoid "tough decisions" and the Supremes are not going to get in the middle of it.
That's usually how this kind of thing plays out at least.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:15 PM (AkOaV)
Hey dummy, what would the deficit be right now IF WE WERE AT 14% INTEREST RATES you dumb shit.
Posted by: prescient11 at April 20, 2015 03:16 PM (q5APL)
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As long as the Revenue / Debt ratio goes down from the year before you are golden.
So I've heard.
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 03:16 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Tattoo Ewe For the Year of the Sheep at April 20, 2015 03:16 PM (nCKKS)
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Honestly, I tried not to come in your mouth! It was a simple mistake.
Here, lets do it again and I promise to get it right this time.
Posted by: Prince Reibus at April 20, 2015 03:16 PM (LISuA)
Yeah, but I think we can launch our nuclear missiles from anywhere. They go up in to low orbit then come back down on the target.
So a boomer in the artic could launch on Iran if they wanted to. (Probably not the best place to be launchin nukes with Putin in charge of Russia, but you get my point).
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:17 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at April 20, 2015 03:17 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Darth Randall at April 20, 2015 03:17 PM (6n332)
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at April 20, 2015 03:09 PM (3ZtZW)
???
Yeah your way off on that one. Israel's major population center is "Central Israel" in and around Tel Aviv.
One Nuke there pretty much decapitates Israel
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 20, 2015 03:17 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 20, 2015 03:17 PM (evdj2)
The U.S. economy is now a ponzi scheme of grand proportions.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 03:17 PM (fCXCT)
Well, actually my sherpas climbed it. I just sat in the litter and ate lychee.
Posted by: Mr. Hawaiian Dress at April 20, 2015 03:17 PM (P55y/)
Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Plush Porcupine at April 20, 2015 03:18 PM (k8xvx)
Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Plush Porcupine at April 20, 2015 03:18 PM (k8xvx)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling at April 20, 2015 03:18 PM (fCXCT)
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Yeah - I haven't seen anyone on this board cite them to back up their points. I have seen Friedman and Sowell used.
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 03:14 PM (gmeXX)
All the amoral shithead does is lie and use strawmen. But if you were to use a strawman argument against him he has the biggest most pathetic little hissy fit you can imagine saying he said no such thing. Of course it is lost on his pathetic lying ass that it is the exact same method he uses to argue.
Posted by: Buzzion at April 20, 2015 03:18 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at April 20, 2015 03:19 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 03:16 PM (gmeXX)
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Don't you mean the profit/earnings ratio?
Posted by: Preezy financial advisor at April 20, 2015 03:19 PM (/HX7u)
MooMoo is frantically looking up Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell right now to try to find a way to discredit them.
Shit! Friedman won a Nobel prize in economics?! Still, the bald guy at Forbes is definitely more knowledgeable. Because Moo Moo said so, wing nuts.
And Sowell is just a racist Glenn Back gold nut! Oh, he's black? Er... He must be a crank! Oh, he's a tenured college prof?
Er....
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:19 PM (AkOaV)
In fact, Thomas Sowell's "Basic Economics" would do wonders for your brain and your understanding.
It's at 101 level and doesn't have too many big words. I think you can understand it. No pictures though, unfortunately.
Then you can move on to the more complicated stuff like Hayek. More big words there.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:13 PM (AkOaV)
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Not a bad idea. I guess all these books I read in college while getting a finance degree and an MBA weren't good enough.
Granted I graduated many years ago and don't remember everything. But I do remember the basics like understanding how percentages work and understanding why deficits and debts don't always move in the same direction.
But whatever man, keep your self convinced the end of the world is here if it makes you sleep better.
PS: Buy gold!! Glenn Beck implores you.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 03:19 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: physics geek at April 20, 2015 03:20 PM (MT22W)
Posted by: Mr. Hawaiian Dress at April 20, 2015 03:20 PM (P55y/)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:11 PM (AkOaV)
1 Ohio class, is sufficient really. Less, of course, we want to go all doomsday and shit.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at April 20, 2015 03:20 PM (QF9nR)
Posted by: Mr. Poo Poo at April 20, 2015 03:21 PM (UiBVq)
Yes. Tel Aviv is a natural target.
And the Muslims will not nuke Al Quds (Jerusalem.) Trust me. Their prophecies require it to be intact for the Mahdi to return and/or for Jesus to return and defeat the anti Christ (depends on if you're shia or sunni, but Al Quds plays a central role in both of their end time prophecies)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:21 PM (AkOaV)
Yes. That's one. Another way of saying what I"d meant is "the mass of Israel's population is *not* in the south". That's not to say no one is there, just that it isn't as inhabited. Don't really think I'm "way off" at all.
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at April 20, 2015 03:21 PM (3ZtZW)
Personae: Bander and his 18 year old son.
Bander yells at radio, turns to son.
"You know what this means, don't you? You're going to have to be useful at some point." (an unlikely prospect at this point). "Everything that guy just said is a promise that you will pay money you haven't earned yet".
"I'm just going to not pay it. My generation will just say "sorry China"".
"You have to pay it. That guy just spent it and promised you'd be useful enough to pay it back some day".
"I'm not paying".
This conversation has played out...ummm...more than once.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 20, 2015 03:21 PM (JtwS4)
The bill "Crimes Against Pregnant Women" contains harsh penalties for anyone who ends a pregnancy against mothers wishes #coleg #NoPersonhood
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 03:22 PM (MYCIw)
The GOP is a fake opposition party. It is designed to get people who might otherwise threaten federal power to focus their efforts on something totally unproductive.
None of this would be any different if Romney had won.
My guess is the UniParty in Washington has concluded that they can't stop Iran from getting nukes, so their best bet is to make it look like they allowed it to happen to preserve the myth of federal omnipotence.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 20, 2015 03:22 PM (GEVul)
Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at April 20, 2015 03:22 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 03:22 PM (xSCb6)
Are we already tired of "I'm so old, I remember when it was a baby if the mother wanted it to be a baby"?
Posted by: HR braucht ein Eis at April 20, 2015 03:23 PM (ZKzrr)
I admire Beck. He's a smart dude and a very good salesman. But don't for a second think he actually believes and of his bullshit, nor take any of his rantings seriously.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 03:23 PM (0LHZx)
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Its just a political party comprised of people who want power. That's it.
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 03:23 PM (gmeXX)
Ah, well that explains it. You're an MBA.
We econ majors laughed derisively at management majors. MBA doesn't mean shit, bud. I'm 6 credits away from one, yet never got it because it's a waste of time and money.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:24 PM (AkOaV)
Charlie breached the perimeter at Forbes a few years ago. They turned the Claymores around, so.... well, ....
....new guys, clacker, *boom*
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at April 20, 2015 03:24 PM (QF9nR)
Posted by: Mr. Poo Poo at April 20, 2015 03:24 PM (UiBVq)
Sure they would. Jerusalem is not so Holy to Muslims no matter what they say. During every war the Muzzies have shot missiles at Jerusalem
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 20, 2015 03:24 PM (rDqRv)
OK class, since Bannion's not here, there are at least two logical fallacies displayed in this comment. Name the logical fallacies and the portion(s) of the comment exhibiting those fallacies. Aaaaand, go!
Posted by: Insomniac at April 20, 2015 03:24 PM (2Ojst)
None of us (or very few) listen to Glenn Beck. You seem to be much more knowledgeable on the subject then we are. I've seen him maybe 5-10 times back when I had cable and he was on Fox.
Last I heard, he was bringing teddy bears to the mexican border.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:25 PM (AkOaV)
Has anybody else noticed that John McCain is bebopping around like some sort of drug-addled octogenarian pop star? That dude is wack!
...........................
He should run for president and debate Sanders without his dentures.
Posted by: wth at April 20, 2015 03:25 PM (wAQA5)
Ship might survive. People and electronics?
Not so much.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 20, 2015 03:26 PM (MtdoN)
Well, ya, but it's what happens next. Just like in Iraq, Saddam's elite republican guard defeated, and then what.
Unless everyone else gets in on the total mass extinction effect and shit.
I still say Iran wants the sanctions lifted, and the billions of dollars to use to fund proxy militia. They get Iraq, they have Yemen. They can squeeze Saudi Arabia, and the international oil market. They don't need to nuke Manhattan. It would cause too much trouble, and that too is a lesson of the World Trade Center.
Posted by: Agnus Dude Tanner at April 20, 2015 03:26 PM (9ggbp)
There's a difference between firing rockets and nuking the city.
I could see them using other WMDs like sarin gas or even dumb bombs.
But the city needs to still be habitable afterwards (so nukes are probably out) for the prophecies to play out.
The people and the buildings don't matter though.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:26 PM (AkOaV)
Is the dick-waving about credentials "appeal to authority"?
Posted by: HR braucht ein Eis at April 20, 2015 03:26 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Mr. Doo Doo at April 20, 2015 03:27 PM (OD2ni)
No, he's not an MBA. Nor does he make six figures or more. He eve lies about having kids.
Once you accept that Moob lies about everything, you begin to understand why he's the only one here talking about Glenn Beck.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 03:27 PM (xSCb6)
Not so much.
I would figure an aircraft carrier is one helluva of a Faraday cage.
Posted by: toby928(C) at April 20, 2015 03:27 PM (evdj2)
None of this would be any different if Romney had won.
My guess is the UniParty in Washington has concluded that they can't stop Iran from getting nukes, so their best bet is to make it look like they allowed it to happen to preserve the myth of federal omnipotence.Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk *********************************************************We are in the Matrix and denizens of Zion.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 20, 2015 03:27 PM (u0kqM)
Pretty amazing to think how well our ships must be built to withstand that kind of abuse and still be able to float.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:27 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:24 PM (AkOaV)
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About 1/3 of my classes were econ classes but the feeling was mutual, we though econ majors were full of shit. After all as the old joke punchline hoes...the economist says "imagine there is no plane".
As for you getting an MBA, if it's not a top 20 school, it's completely worthless. Nobody is impressed with an MBA from Never Heard of It State U.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 03:27 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at April 20, 2015 03:21 PM (3ZtZW)
yeah ya kinda are. Anyone who talks about Israel being able sustain a Nuclear hit and survive hasn't been to Israel I am betting. They have ONE huge population center- Tel Aviv and it's surrounding suburbs. Haifa and Jerusalem and it's suburbs to a lesser extend.
Israel is NOT built for a Nuclear Exchange.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 20, 2015 03:27 PM (rDqRv)
Last I heard, he was bringing teddy bears to the mexican border.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:25 PM (AkOaV)
Last time listened to Beck - Never.
Last time listened to Limbaugh - 90's ....96-98, I think.
Last time watched Fox - 2009
Last fap - This morning.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at April 20, 2015 03:27 PM (QF9nR)
Is the dick-waving about credentials "appeal to authority"?
Posted by: HR braucht ein Eis at April 20, 2015 03:26 PM (ZKzrr)
Ding ding! One more for full credit, and extra credit for naming a third!
Posted by: Insomniac at April 20, 2015 03:28 PM (2Ojst)
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-32340384
Posted by: HR braucht ein Eis at April 20, 2015 03:28 PM (ZKzrr)
Yeah probably true.
And I feel guilty for playing the credentials card.
Sorry, Moo. Even if you did get a "business" degree then an MBA, i didn't mean to offend your paper. Your paper is just as good as my paper.
And degrees don't make me smarter than you or anyone else. I know lots of idiots with advanced degrees, and lots of smart people with only a high school education.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:28 PM (AkOaV)
A finance degree and an MBA and yet you spend hours ranting here at us.
Shouldn't you be making deals or something?
Running a business maybe. Or did you have to settle for a "lesser" spot due to "academic weakness" and now you have too much time on your hands and you've decided to "enlighten" us plebes with your vast and in depth knowledge.
Psst your boss is looking for you better hit the "boss" key and look like you're doing something productive.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 20, 2015 03:29 PM (zRby/)
Islamic prophecy says TWO Holy cities will be destroyed by fire...
By making Jerusalem Holy, and nuking it themselves... they are halfway to self fulfilling that Prophecy...
And if you listen to the Iranian Mullahs, and read some of what they have written, they really believe that they can bring on the coming of the Next Iman...
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 20, 2015 03:29 PM (qh617)
Didn't they just find a WWII carrier that had been nuked twice (as part of a test) and survived? (I think I saw that on the ONT last night)
yes,plus i believe half the ships used in the able and baker test off the bikini atoll didn't sink
Posted by: kj at April 20, 2015 03:29 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at April 20, 2015 03:30 PM (Dwehj)
The name fails me at the moment.
Is it what academics usually refer to as "ignorant dickbag"?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 03:30 PM (xSCb6)
It's nothing against Rush, but I haven't been able to listen to his show in years.
It's like 3/4 commercials at this point.
I used to listen occasionally while going on sales calls. Now I just listen to music on my iphone.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:30 PM (AkOaV)
I'm sure you have experience with that, especially given the fact that nothing you've ever posted suggests you'd crack 600 on the GMAT.
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 03:30 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Mr. Shmoo Shmoo at April 20, 2015 03:30 PM (UzPAd)
Shouldn't you be making deals or something?
Running a business maybe. Or did you have to settle for a "lesser" spot due to "academic weakness" and now you have too much time on your hands and you've decided to "enlighten" us plebes with your vast and in depth knowledge.
Psst your boss is looking for you better hit the "boss" key and look like you're doing something productive.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 20, 2015 03:29 PM (zRby/)
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Not at all. I did very well straight out of college, got my MBA 3 years later and did exceptionally well after that. But I burned out and got out of finance altogether. Took the money and ran, just in time too.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 03:31 PM (0LHZx)
No, he's not an MBA. Nor does he make six figures or more. He eve lies about having kids.
Once you accept that Moob lies about everything, you begin to understand why he's the only one here talking about Glenn Beck.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 03:27 PM (xSCb6)
Well of course he lies about having kids. Everyone knows that a Minotaur isn't real.
Posted by: Buzzion at April 20, 2015 03:32 PM (z/Ubi)
Mecca and Medina? I could live with that.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Eis at April 20, 2015 03:32 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Wormwood at April 20, 2015 03:32 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 20, 2015 03:29 PM (qh617)
The Shias believe the 12th Imam has existed in a state of suspension for several hundred years. He's in a well in Iran.
Ahmadinejad (guessing on the spelling) even had the streets widened when he was mayor to accommodate the return of the Mahdi.
The Sunni think that's silly and that the 12th imam doesn't exist yet, and we're still on the like 7th imam right now.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:32 PM (AkOaV)
Forest Fresh scent is my favorite little tree car air freshener.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 20, 2015 03:33 PM (fCXCT)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 20, 2015 03:30 PM (xSCb6)
I've not heard of the "ignorant dickbag" fallacy...but I like the sound of it.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 20, 2015 03:33 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Mr. Poo Poo at April 20, 2015 03:33 PM (UiBVq)
I'm going to do it.
I'm just going to buy that new car I want. I'll just borrow money to do it.
I'm going to get all those other things I want. Get the credit card ready.
I can borrow as much as possible this year, so long as I borrow nothing next year.
Then my personal deficit will have gone down and all is good in the world.
Thanks Moo Moo. I was worried about putting my family's financial health at risk - but hey people have been doing this for a long time.
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 03:33 PM (gmeXX)
My favorite bartender has two.
But, he is a smart guy. Had nothing to do with college. Had everything to do with parents.
Conversely, one of my female bartenders is going for a PhD.
....in Sociology.
Not smart. Pleasant, but not smart.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at April 20, 2015 03:33 PM (QF9nR)
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 03:30 PM (MYCIw)
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Yeah true. All people who score 700 believe GDP data is fake. You got me.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 03:33 PM (0LHZx)
But anything/anyone on, around or under the flightdeck, not wrapped up behind blast doors would be toast, and radioactive, no?
Posted by: rickb223 at April 20, 2015 03:34 PM (MtdoN)
Mecca and Medina? I could live with that.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Eis at April 20, 2015 03:32 PM (ZKzrr)
Ahhh... the problem is the prophecy only says two Holy Cities....
So for the Iranians? Jerusalem, then Mecca (Saudi Arabia to take out their rivals)...
and they can check that box off the Apocalypse check list...
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 20, 2015 03:34 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Mr. Hawaiian Dress at April 20, 2015 03:34 PM (P55y/)
Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger at April 20, 2015 03:34 PM (sgj55)
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Woof . No. Timmy is in the well. Woof.
Posted by: Lassie at April 20, 2015 03:34 PM (VndSC)
I'm going to get all those other things I want. Get the credit card ready.
Posted by: SH at April 20, 2015 03:33 PM (gmeXX)
___________
If you truly believe the end of the world is near, that's exactly what you should do. Borrow as much as you can, you'll never have to worry about paying it back. One of the funniest things about financial parnaoia is the dichotomy.
The same people who are convinced hyperinflation is coming are the ones who also think you should have zero debt.
It's fascinating.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 20, 2015 03:35 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Ibin Pharteen at April 20, 2015 03:35 PM (zL/eJ)
Congress <=== Rubber Samp + Keystone Cops
Posted by: Lizzy at April 20, 2015 03:36 PM (2TN4k)
No, not at all, but I just get bored with it. He is usually right.
Not that that is too difficult talking about LIbEralS.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at April 20, 2015 03:36 PM (QF9nR)
Never trust anyone over 20 who has strawberry or cherry scented little air freshener trees in their cars/trucks,
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 20, 2015 03:36 PM (fCXCT)
Yeah, that's no good.
This is kind of cool.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32350305
Posted by: HR braucht ein Eis at April 20, 2015 03:36 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger at April 20, 2015 03:36 PM (sgj55)
Later carriers were designed with those exact facts in mind...
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 20, 2015 03:37 PM (qh617)
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at April 20, 2015 03:37 PM (h4UbF)
He's in a well in Iran.
I think they could have found him by now if they wanted to.
Hell, Lassie found Timmy in 30 minutes or less.
Every. Time.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 20, 2015 03:37 PM (MtdoN)
Hey, not me. I never took it. I just did the arguments for fun while my husband was studying. He got a 780.
I'm sure he can explain it to you using small words.
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 03:37 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Mr. Poo Poo at April 20, 2015 03:38 PM (UiBVq)
yes,plus i believe half the ships used in the able and baker test off the bikini atoll didn't sink
Posted by: kj at April 20, 2015 03:29 PM (lKyWE)
Independence Class Class Leader CVL - USS Independence.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at April 20, 2015 03:38 PM (QF9nR)
Posted by: Lizzy at April 20, 2015 03:36 PM (2TN4k)
Hey.... no FAIR!!!
At least we were funny...
Posted by: Keystone Cops at April 20, 2015 03:38 PM (qh617)
Posted by: The Political Hat at April 20, 2015 03:38 PM (0Ew3K)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 20, 2015 03:38 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 20, 2015 03:38 PM (fCXCT)
Posted by: Strawman Local 451 at April 20, 2015 03:39 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 20, 2015 03:39 PM (2cS/G)
Ponder that shit for a minute.
Posted by: Kreplach at April 20, 2015 03:40 PM (OmITN)
One of the first T.C. Boyle stories I read was about Lassie. I will now ruin it for you.
Timmy has fallen down the well and Lassie is doing his utmost bravest to alert the humans but he happens upon a very fetching coyote. And they sniff and they bond and the romp off to rut and Timmy gets forgotten.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 20, 2015 03:40 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 20, 2015 03:40 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 20, 2015 03:37 PM (MtdoN)
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Can you imagine what Lassie thought everytime he saw Timmy go outside?
"Ah, shit. Here we go again".
Posted by: Soona at April 20, 2015 03:40 PM (/HX7u)
No, but people who are familiar with economics understand what GDP does and does not measure.
They also understand that government accounting is bullshit and that the government refuses to use GAAP because if they used GAAP everyone would freak out at those numbers.
So you can take the governments raw numbers (they're published) and come up with very different outcomes if you use GAAP or GNP instead of government accounting and GDP.
And you get very different numbers.
Luckily for DC, most of the country is as ignorant on the subject of economics as you are.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 20, 2015 03:42 PM (AkOaV)
If I was guaranteed to keep my job after hyperinflation kicks in debt would be ok . but if not I'm on the hook to pay hyperventilated penalties on the debt I can't pay on time.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 20, 2015 03:43 PM (wrS2o)
Posted by: ricardo montalban at April 20, 2015 03:43 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Lauren at April 20, 2015 03:43 PM (MYCIw)
Sigh.....
For the ignorant....Israel is the size of New Jersey, with most of its population clustered in one area.
It cannot tolerate a nuclear exchange. This has been gamed by Israel for 50 years. They understand better than anyone else what one nuclear weapon will do to Jews, Judaism, and Israel .
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 20, 2015 03:45 PM (7G/wk)
Spoken like someone with a solid three econ classes under his belt.
By the way...I studied genetics, and we thought all.of you econ and business people were retards.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 20, 2015 03:49 PM (7G/wk)
Posted by: Bigby's Noogie at April 20, 2015 03:49 PM (3ZtZW)
burst and truthfully most of the ships shrugged it off. Baker was an
underwater detonation which sunk many ships.
USS Independence and
the German cruiser Prinz Eugen seemed to survive Baker. Prinz Eugen's
reputation as a lucky ship seemed intact, was being towed and made it to
Kawajalein before capsizing.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 20, 2015 03:13 PM (oEMN+)
If you watched the video, it's readily apparent why the underwater burst sank the ships. The blast simply turned a patch of ocean into fizzy foam, like soap suds. Foam much less dense than water, so it could not provide the buoyancy needed to keep the vessels afloat. So they basically fell like rocks into the foam, and when the foam dissipated, there were in the position of being in a hole in the water, with ocean pouring in on top of them.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 20, 2015 03:52 PM (OuKDK)
Corker, and his fellow traveling, betraying POS's are the guys who deliver for Obama. Period.
Posted by: The roost aint what it used to be at April 20, 2015 03:56 PM (7GI9v)
There was no treaty ever going to be submitted for ratification. So there was never a 2/3 vote required, PERIOD. Obama said from the start he wouldn't submit it, before there was the first meeting with Iran.
So you are measuring what was passed against your imagination.
And guess what! Your imagination is better! Who knew? (Even with all the naked chicks).
Posted by: Adjoran at April 20, 2015 04:09 PM (QIQ6j)
Posted by: Mau Mau at April 20, 2015 04:42 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at April 20, 2015 05:55 PM (TV9BR)
Iran has oil.
Iran has ships.
Iran will send ships full of oil for ships full of forbidden technology.
No piece of paper will cancel that out.
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at April 21, 2015 07:39 PM (8rRE+)
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