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I Know One Thing About Congressman Ron Blum (R-IA): He's Awesome
This guy. All of this guy.
Blum, a freshman lawmaker, argued his bill would help limit lobbyists' influence on the legislative process so members of Congress won't feel pressured to cater to their wishes for their own self-interest. "This bill would finally close the revolving door between Congress and special interest groups, restoring integrity to our political system and ensuring that politicians focus on representing their constituents instead of catering to lobbying groups who offer a lucrative post-electoral career," Blum said in a statement. This lifetime ban on lobbying is another step in that effort to make Congress more accountable to the people by reducing the incentive for our elected officials to use their position for their own personal gain," Blum added.Why is this quixotic campaign important?
Lobbying has grown in direct proportion to government spending, with special interest groups consistently spending almost exactly $1 million for every billion dollars in federal expenditures. The correlation suggests that while liberal politicians portray K Street lobbyists as villains ruining Washington, it may be Big Government policies that attract them, according to a Washington Examiner analysis. The money spent on lobbying rose from $1.5 billion in 1998 to a high of $3.6 billion in 2010, during President Obama's stimulus package. During that same time period, spending grew from $1.7 trillion to $3.5 trillion.It's hard to say which drives the other....do lobbyist create government spending or does an ever increasing government drive the need for lobbyists? That's an interesting academic question and the answer is likely, yes. But Blum is on the right track. You have to break the cycle at some point and this is a great way to do it. Stop making Congress a career path to life in Washington. Oh and if his bill doesn't already, add staffers to it.
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Some good news, here; whew.
Posted by: m at April 14, 2015 12:52 PM (WIUGG)
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Rod.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 12:53 PM (L2xDv)
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Add spouses of congress people as well. I'm talking to you Diane Feinstein.
Posted by: Timon at April 14, 2015 12:53 PM (ZDJwC)
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Stop making Congress a career path to life in Washington
PRO TIP: If you work your government job correctly, you'll have so much money you won't need to become a lobbyist when you retire.
PRO TIP: If you work your government job correctly, you'll have so much money you won't need to become a lobbyist when you retire.
Posted by: Hairy Reed at April 14, 2015 12:53 PM (8ZskC)
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I'd note that Rod Blum is NAL (not a lawyer). The revolving door is lubricated by American law schools. Lobbyists tend to be lawyers.
Which is the root of the problem.
Which is the root of the problem.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 12:54 PM (L2xDv)
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EVERYTHING IS AWESOME
Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger at April 14, 2015 12:54 PM (eaOXx)
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PRO TIP: If you work your government job correctly, you'll have so much money you won't need to become a lobbyist when you retire.
Posted by: Hairy Reed at April 14, 2015 12:53 PM (8ZskC)
Yeah, but what about your kids?
Posted by: Hairy Reed at April 14, 2015 12:53 PM (8ZskC)
Yeah, but what about your kids?
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 12:55 PM (L2xDv)
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Nood?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 14, 2015 12:55 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 14, 2015 12:55 PM (F2IAQ)
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Is Drew on medication? He's so enthusiastic, so bouncy...
Is Drew on medication? He's so enthusiastic, so bouncy...
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 14, 2015 12:56 PM (iQIUe)
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EWOK STOMP!!!
Posted by: brevity at April 14, 2015 12:56 PM (jmN7w)
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Unstomped!
Unstomped!
Posted by: Bruce J. at April 14, 2015 12:57 PM (iQIUe)
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This afternoon you can catch me changing the blown-out tire on the Van of the People alongside I-470. Look for the yellow and blue pantsuit.
#HillaryIsJustLikeYou
#HillaryIsJustLikeYou
Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at April 14, 2015 12:57 PM (8ZskC)
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Wha happen??????
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 14, 2015 12:58 PM (Spluw)
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535 members of congress who never leave except feet first. So there's what, possibly 2,000 living ex-members of congress?
There are 12,000 registered lobbyists. A piece in the Nation last year said that despite declining numbers of lobbyists lobbying itself is increasing.
So this is a nice notion, but the problem is Leviathan itself.
535 members of congress who never leave except feet first. So there's what, possibly 2,000 living ex-members of congress?
There are 12,000 registered lobbyists. A piece in the Nation last year said that despite declining numbers of lobbyists lobbying itself is increasing.
So this is a nice notion, but the problem is Leviathan itself.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 14, 2015 12:58 PM (JtwS4)
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I'm lost..what happened to the post on congressional oversight regarding Iran. It just disappeared.
Posted by: Jen the original at April 14, 2015 12:58 PM (PfWwQ)
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A better idea would be a law preventing members of congress from taking bribes.
I thought that was already written down somewhere, but apparently not.
On second thought, not only would that law have no chance of being passed, but even if it were, those subject to the law are above the law anyway.
A better idea would be a law preventing members of congress from taking bribes.
I thought that was already written down somewhere, but apparently not.
On second thought, not only would that law have no chance of being passed, but even if it were, those subject to the law are above the law anyway.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 14, 2015 12:58 PM (dquK7)
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#HillaryNotaWitch
Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger at April 14, 2015 12:58 PM (eaOXx)
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Whoa. First you take away insider trading and now this? That's a bridge too far. What's a respectable congress critter supposed to do when he's/she's ousted?
Posted by: Hank at April 14, 2015 12:59 PM (U/UEh)
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#RhymesWith
Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger at April 14, 2015 12:59 PM (eaOXx)
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What bill is he pushing?
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 14, 2015 12:59 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 14, 2015 12:59 PM (F2IAQ)
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"But Blum is on the right track."
I disagree. Lobbying will never go away until the government is brought under control. It really isn't possible to restrict lobbying because the Constitution protects it. And changing the Constitution might turn out badly on this issue. Remember that all Americans have a right to petition the government. Instead we need to remove the incentives to lobbying in order to end its destructive effects.
I disagree. Lobbying will never go away until the government is brought under control. It really isn't possible to restrict lobbying because the Constitution protects it. And changing the Constitution might turn out badly on this issue. Remember that all Americans have a right to petition the government. Instead we need to remove the incentives to lobbying in order to end its destructive effects.
Posted by: NotCoach at April 14, 2015 12:59 PM (rsudF)
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It was there and then it wasn't! Like a post out of hell!
Posted by: ADM Matt Decker, mid-freakout at April 14, 2015 01:00 PM (RD7QR)
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stomp, stomp...
Posted by: desperate for status quo at April 14, 2015 01:00 PM (vA94g)
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I imagine that if this did somehow become a law you would see quite a few congressmen "suddenly" decide to not seek reelection right before this would go into effect.
Posted by: Buzzion at April 14, 2015 01:00 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger at April 14, 2015 01:00 PM (eaOXx)
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I like the idea, but how is such a law constitutional?
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:01 PM (gmeXX)
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Springtime means cleaning out the septic tank again. Now where are my big rubber gloves?
#HillaryIsJustLikeYou
#HillaryIsJustLikeYou
Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at April 14, 2015 01:01 PM (8ZskC)
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FABULOUS idea!
Posted by: Lizzy at April 14, 2015 01:02 PM (2TN4k)
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First you take away insider trading and now this? That's a bridge too far.
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For the record, the insider trading ban was repealed, it was only in force for a year or so. Congress didn't call a press conference to announce the repeal, unlike the ban........
First you take away insider trading and now this? That's a bridge too far.
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For the record, the insider trading ban was repealed, it was only in force for a year or so. Congress didn't call a press conference to announce the repeal, unlike the ban........
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 14, 2015 01:02 PM (dquK7)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at April 14, 2015 01:02 PM (95CzI)
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Yeah, but what about your kids?
Surely you've taken time to set up the family "charitable[sic] foundation"...
Surely you've taken time to set up the family "charitable[sic] foundation"...
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 14, 2015 01:02 PM (/kI1Q)
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Banning lawmakers from *ever* lobbying?
Umm, aren't there some First Amendment issues involved here?
Umm, aren't there some First Amendment issues involved here?
Posted by: chemjeff at April 14, 2015 01:02 PM (2ap0X)
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If you think the pigs are going to burn their own trough I have a bridge to sell.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 14, 2015 01:02 PM (/Um0F)
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There are 12,000 registered lobbyists. A piece in the Nation last year said that despite declining numbers of lobbyists lobbying itself is increasing.
Simple solution: Ban lawyers from lobbying.
Can't do it? Well if they ever want to be a member of a bar association, they'd better never lobby.
Make it a violation of ethics deserving of a permanent ban.
Sure, they can get around it, but they'll never work as a lawyer again. So they have to pick their trough.
You'll destroy most of the problem immediately.
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=K
Now, onto lawyers donating money to campaigns...
Simple solution: Ban lawyers from lobbying.
Can't do it? Well if they ever want to be a member of a bar association, they'd better never lobby.
Make it a violation of ethics deserving of a permanent ban.
Sure, they can get around it, but they'll never work as a lawyer again. So they have to pick their trough.
You'll destroy most of the problem immediately.
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=K
Now, onto lawyers donating money to campaigns...
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:02 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: HH at April 14, 2015 01:02 PM (Ce4DF)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 14, 2015 01:03 PM (mf5HN)
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Banning lawmakers from *ever* lobbying?
Umm, aren't there some First Amendment issues involved here?
I can sort of picture this as a tax...
Umm, aren't there some First Amendment issues involved here?
I can sort of picture this as a tax...
Posted by: Justice John Roberts at April 14, 2015 01:04 PM (8ZskC)
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The only way to stop lobbying is to restore the federal government to only those authorities specifically written into the Constitution. And the only way to do that is an amendment that says that SPECIFICALLY and that rewrites the section dealing with the judiciary to either reign them in or make them a legislative court with only one judge from each State appointed by the States.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 14, 2015 01:04 PM (wlDny)
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34 Banning lawmakers from *ever* lobbying?
Umm, aren't there some First Amendment issues involved here?
Posted by: chemjeff at April 14, 2015 01:02 PM (2ap0X)
Not for lawyers. As I said, use bar membership as a stick instead of a carrot.
Umm, aren't there some First Amendment issues involved here?
Posted by: chemjeff at April 14, 2015 01:02 PM (2ap0X)
Not for lawyers. As I said, use bar membership as a stick instead of a carrot.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:05 PM (L2xDv)
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Here's a suggestion for his next effort:
Have each state purchase housing for their Senators and Congressmen (like a governor's mansion but they could make the housing as modest or opulent as they see fit.
Think this could go a long way towards the temptation of Congressmen and Senators from staying in DC - at least slow down the investment they have in the place once they settle into a neighborhood, get their kids in school, put down roots, etc.
Have each state purchase housing for their Senators and Congressmen (like a governor's mansion but they could make the housing as modest or opulent as they see fit.
Think this could go a long way towards the temptation of Congressmen and Senators from staying in DC - at least slow down the investment they have in the place once they settle into a neighborhood, get their kids in school, put down roots, etc.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 14, 2015 01:05 PM (2TN4k)
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Oh and the only way to get that amendment is tohave an Art V convention that prohibits anyone who has ever held office from being a rep.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 14, 2015 01:05 PM (wlDny)
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Yes, Amish, we get it. You have a monomaniacal hatred for lawyers.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:06 PM (2Ojst)
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I disagree. Lobbying will never go away until the government is brought under control. It really isn't possible to restrict lobbying because the Constitution protects it.
... Instead we need to remove the incentives to lobbying in order to end its destructive effects.
Posted by: NotCoach
Pretty much this.
Money is fungible. If the lobbyists can't lobby the pols directly, then they'll just lobby the PACs or some other intermediary.
... Instead we need to remove the incentives to lobbying in order to end its destructive effects.
Posted by: NotCoach
Pretty much this.
Money is fungible. If the lobbyists can't lobby the pols directly, then they'll just lobby the PACs or some other intermediary.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 14, 2015 01:07 PM (LSiNF)
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Nice law, nice try. Will never survive a challenge if brought. 1st Amendment.
Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at April 14, 2015 01:07 PM (6yehy)
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We keep saying here that if you start banning or restricting people's activities that don't actually harm other people, that they will find ways around that restriction which tend to make the problem worse.
Why wouldn't that just happen here? If you ban congresscritters from ever being lobbyists, then they will just get their spouse/relatives/associates to do it for them.
Why wouldn't that just happen here? If you ban congresscritters from ever being lobbyists, then they will just get their spouse/relatives/associates to do it for them.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 14, 2015 01:07 PM (2ap0X)
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they could make the housing as modest or opulent as they see fit. >>>
My vote is for Quonset huts of FEMA trailers.
My vote is for Quonset huts of FEMA trailers.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 14, 2015 01:08 PM (wrS2o)
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There is no new legislation that will restore a functioning republic. It's just too late for that.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at April 14, 2015 01:08 PM (KtVta)
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There is no new legislation that will restore a functioning republic. It's just too late for that.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at April 14, 2015 01:08 PM (KtVta)
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Piles of garbage attracts maggots and rats. Piles of government money attracts lobbyists and politicians. Get rid of the garbage, no more vermin.
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at April 14, 2015 01:08 PM (hslAc)
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Well this certainly would have been something Newt would have supported.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 14, 2015 01:08 PM (g1DWB)
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Nice law, nice try. Will never survive a challenge if brought.
#NoStanding.
Works for everything else.
#NoStanding.
Works for everything else.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 14, 2015 01:08 PM (39oci)
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I disagree. Lobbying will never go away until the government is brought under control. It really isn't possible to restrict lobbying because the Constitution protects it. And changing the Constitution might turn out badly on this issue. Remember that all Americans have a right to petition the government. Instead we need to remove the incentives to lobbying in order to end its destructive effects.
Posted by: NotCoach at April 14, 2015 12:59 PM (rsudF)
I agree with this.
Posted by: NotCoach at April 14, 2015 12:59 PM (rsudF)
I agree with this.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:08 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 14, 2015 01:09 PM (AkOaV)
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34 Banning lawmakers from *ever* lobbying?
Umm, aren't there some First Amendment issues involved here?
Posted by: chemjeff at April 14, 2015 01:02 PM (2ap0X)
Being paid for lobbying, surely.
Umm, aren't there some First Amendment issues involved here?
Posted by: chemjeff at April 14, 2015 01:02 PM (2ap0X)
Being paid for lobbying, surely.
Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at April 14, 2015 01:09 PM (FA3Z7)
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44 Yes, Amish, we get it. You have a monomaniacal hatred for lawyers.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:06 PM (2Ojst)
You go ad hominem when you can't go ad factium.
I'm right. You hate it, but I'm right.
And all my proposal will do is take away their excess unearned power.
If you want to have a special, unique and powerful role in society (a necessary one), then you shouldn't be able to parlay it into getting even more power.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:06 PM (2Ojst)
You go ad hominem when you can't go ad factium.
I'm right. You hate it, but I'm right.
And all my proposal will do is take away their excess unearned power.
If you want to have a special, unique and powerful role in society (a necessary one), then you shouldn't be able to parlay it into getting even more power.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:09 PM (L2xDv)
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Why wouldn't that just happen here? If you ban congresscritters from ever being lobbyists, then they will just get their spouse/relatives/associates to do it for them.
Posted by: chemjeff
It's already happening. Look at the relatives of Clinton and Biden. ANd the members of the MFM. And the ones hopping to and from colleges, big banks and agencies.
We're seeing the rise of a credentialed, ruling class. There's no difference between them and eeeevvvvvvviiiiillll boards of directors voting raises for themselves.
Posted by: chemjeff
It's already happening. Look at the relatives of Clinton and Biden. ANd the members of the MFM. And the ones hopping to and from colleges, big banks and agencies.
We're seeing the rise of a credentialed, ruling class. There's no difference between them and eeeevvvvvvviiiiillll boards of directors voting raises for themselves.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 14, 2015 01:09 PM (Spluw)
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Yeah, he's awesome. Only freshman legislator to piss off everyone in Congress before his first term is up.
He's going to be popular and I am sure he will get GREAT committee assignments.
Freshman are to be seen and not heard.
He's going to be popular and I am sure he will get GREAT committee assignments.
Freshman are to be seen and not heard.
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 14, 2015 01:10 PM (0FSuD)
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Secondarily, punish all non-uniformed government workers with asset forfeiture for any and all income over their salary that is from any non-blind trust. Harry Reid should not be worth more than 400K by now. Every cent his household and family have over that is due to "legal" corruption. Same for Pelosi. They should only have what we pay them. Their spouses should be forced to have no job over Minimum Wage * 4.
Every other cent? Seized. At night. With herds of grossly overweight, smelly assholes paid to yell, fart, and belch for 3 hours at them.
Every other cent? Seized. At night. With herds of grossly overweight, smelly assholes paid to yell, fart, and belch for 3 hours at them.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 14, 2015 01:10 PM (S8V5R)
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WTH? I commented on the stomp and the stomp went poof.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at April 14, 2015 01:10 PM (X+nFp)
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Fantastic! Congresscritter attempts to outlaw lobbying.
When he's done with that he'll tackle the pressing business of murder and rape.
Dare we hope he gets rid of rain delays in baseball? I have a dream!
When he's done with that he'll tackle the pressing business of murder and rape.
Dare we hope he gets rid of rain delays in baseball? I have a dream!
Posted by: BurtTC at April 14, 2015 01:11 PM (TOk1P)
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I agree with this.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:08 PM (2Ojst)
Yeah, lobbyists wouldn't be a problem if Congress followed the Constitution.
The only reason lobbyists exist is because Congressmen walk around with their hands out saying, "who will give me money? If you do, I'll write favorable tax laws for your company that screws your competition. If you don't, we'll file an anti-trust lawsuit against you".
So, uh, of course the Googles of the world say, "HEY! We'll give you money. Please help us and don't fuck us." and the Congressmen say, "yes... yes..." then get in front of a microphone and denounce money in politics.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:08 PM (2Ojst)
Yeah, lobbyists wouldn't be a problem if Congress followed the Constitution.
The only reason lobbyists exist is because Congressmen walk around with their hands out saying, "who will give me money? If you do, I'll write favorable tax laws for your company that screws your competition. If you don't, we'll file an anti-trust lawsuit against you".
So, uh, of course the Googles of the world say, "HEY! We'll give you money. Please help us and don't fuck us." and the Congressmen say, "yes... yes..." then get in front of a microphone and denounce money in politics.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 14, 2015 01:11 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Hank at April 14, 2015 01:11 PM (U/UEh)
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Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:09 PM (L2xDv)
Do you deny having a monomaniacal hatred for lawyers? Your comments historically show this.
Do you deny having a monomaniacal hatred for lawyers? Your comments historically show this.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:11 PM (2Ojst)
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where did my comment go?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 14, 2015 01:11 PM (u8GsB)
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And all my proposal will do is take away their excess unearned power. If you want to have a special, unique and powerful role in society (a necessary one), then you shouldn't be able to parlay it into getting even more power.
Posted by: AmishDude
Lawyers went after the earnings of doctors. Apply the same standard to lawyers.
Posted by: AmishDude
Lawyers went after the earnings of doctors. Apply the same standard to lawyers.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 14, 2015 01:12 PM (Spluw)
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"44 Yes, Amish, we get it. You have a monomaniacal hatred for lawyers.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:06 PM (2Ojst)"
That reminds me of the real 13th Amendment movement, which actually would keep lawyers from lobbying if those who push the real 13th Amendment are to be believed.
http://tinyurl.com/lantj8x
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:06 PM (2Ojst)"
That reminds me of the real 13th Amendment movement, which actually would keep lawyers from lobbying if those who push the real 13th Amendment are to be believed.
http://tinyurl.com/lantj8x
Posted by: NotCoach at April 14, 2015 01:12 PM (rsudF)
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65 Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:09 PM (L2xDv)
Do you deny having a monomaniacal hatred for lawyers? Your comments historically show this.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:11 PM (2Ojst)
I have a monomaniacal hatred for winter too, because it's trying to kill me.
Do you deny having a monomaniacal hatred for lawyers? Your comments historically show this.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:11 PM (2Ojst)
I have a monomaniacal hatred for winter too, because it's trying to kill me.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:12 PM (L2xDv)
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>>>>Quonset huts of FEMA trailers.
Is that the plural? Somehow I thought it would be a Ville or something
Is that the plural? Somehow I thought it would be a Ville or something
Posted by: Bigby's Sticky Fingers at April 14, 2015 01:12 PM (3ZtZW)
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Just yesterday I flushed out my car's blinker fluid, rotated the brake drums, and tuned the adjustable powerband.
#HillaryIsJustLikeYou
#HillaryIsJustLikeYou
Posted by: fb at April 14, 2015 01:13 PM (JVEmw)
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>>My vote is for Quonset huts of FEMA trailers.
Heh. Washingtonian magazine has done pictorials on where politicians live. Always interesting to see that some freshman Congressmen live in their office, or in a condo w/several other Congressmen. And then you see the homes of the long-serving and/or connected Senators that are multi-million dollar spreads in Georgetown or Potomac. And you think: how could that guy/gal afford an $8 million dollar home while a freshman in living like a college student?
Heh. Washingtonian magazine has done pictorials on where politicians live. Always interesting to see that some freshman Congressmen live in their office, or in a condo w/several other Congressmen. And then you see the homes of the long-serving and/or connected Senators that are multi-million dollar spreads in Georgetown or Potomac. And you think: how could that guy/gal afford an $8 million dollar home while a freshman in living like a college student?
Posted by: Lizzy at April 14, 2015 01:13 PM (2TN4k)
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It's hard to say which drives the other....do lobbyist create government spending or does an ever increasing government drive the need for lobbyists?
To address that question...
Government is the driver of it all. They have all the power. Lobbyists, corporations, "special interests", whoever are just responding to the incentives and disincentives that congress creates.
...And congressmen do it with a carrot and stick approach. "Get on my team, I'll help you out with favorable tax laws. Refuse to get on my team, and I'll destroy your business with the alphabet agencies."
To address that question...
Government is the driver of it all. They have all the power. Lobbyists, corporations, "special interests", whoever are just responding to the incentives and disincentives that congress creates.
...And congressmen do it with a carrot and stick approach. "Get on my team, I'll help you out with favorable tax laws. Refuse to get on my team, and I'll destroy your business with the alphabet agencies."
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 14, 2015 01:14 PM (AkOaV)
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never mind
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 14, 2015 01:14 PM (u8GsB)
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Just yesterday I flushed out my car's blinker fluid, rotated the brake drums, and tuned the adjustable powerband.
Watch out for the exerciseband.
Watch out for the exerciseband.
Posted by: Harry Reid at April 14, 2015 01:14 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: Bigby's Sticky Fingers at April 14, 2015 01:14 PM (3ZtZW)
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Just yesterday I flushed out my car's blinker fluid, rotated the brake drums, and tuned the adjustable powerband.
while giving Bill a hand job
#HillaryIsJustLikeYou
Posted by: fb at April 14, 2015 01:13 PM (JVEmw)
FIFY
Just yesterday I flushed out my car's blinker fluid, rotated the brake drums, and tuned the adjustable powerband.
while giving Bill a hand job
#HillaryIsJustLikeYou
Posted by: fb at April 14, 2015 01:13 PM (JVEmw)
FIFY
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 14, 2015 01:14 PM (0FSuD)
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Also, any relative of any Federal Office holder within 3 degrees of consanguinity should be barred forever from running for any federal office. Punishment should be life imprisonment or revocation of citizenship.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 14, 2015 01:14 PM (S8V5R)
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67 Lawyers went after the earnings of doctors. Apply the same standard to lawyers.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 14, 2015 01:12 PM (Spluw)
Yeah, doctors can cut off their feet and tonsils.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 14, 2015 01:12 PM (Spluw)
Yeah, doctors can cut off their feet and tonsils.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 14, 2015 01:14 PM (wlDny)
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Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 14, 2015 01:15 PM (kff5f)
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Is that the plural? Somehow I thought it would be a Ville or something>>>
Of or whatever it takes.
Of or whatever it takes.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 14, 2015 01:15 PM (wrS2o)
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http://tinyurl.com/lantj8x
Posted by: NotCoach at April 14, 2015 01:12 PM (rsudF)
As much as I would decry as illegitimate a court's decision that this doesn't apply to lawyers (because judges are lawyers and are thus self-interested) this doesn't apply to lawyers.
Posted by: NotCoach at April 14, 2015 01:12 PM (rsudF)
As much as I would decry as illegitimate a court's decision that this doesn't apply to lawyers (because judges are lawyers and are thus self-interested) this doesn't apply to lawyers.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:15 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 14, 2015 01:15 PM (kff5f)
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You'll never guess my next bill up for proposal, but it does rhyme with Sperm Nimitz.
Posted by: Ron Blum, R FYNQ at April 14, 2015 01:15 PM (xSCb6)
85
hey what happened to Ace's thread? It got stomped?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2015 01:15 PM (rDqRv)
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85 hey what happened to Ace's thread? It got stomped?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2015 01:15 PM (rDqRv)
De-stomped. It'll be back up in a while.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2015 01:15 PM (rDqRv)
De-stomped. It'll be back up in a while.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:16 PM (L2xDv)
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And you think: how could that guy/gal afford an $8 million dollar home while a freshman in living like a college student?
Posted by: Lizzy
Well, you said it yourself; some of them aren't freshmen. They're long serving.
or they're assholes who forget what state they're from. They live in DC year round.
To think that people's kids are ordered about to school where they live, and we had senators that had little or no link to the states they're supposedly from is appalling. I have in mind the republican ass from Kansas and ex-sex butterball from LA.
Posted by: Lizzy
Well, you said it yourself; some of them aren't freshmen. They're long serving.
or they're assholes who forget what state they're from. They live in DC year round.
To think that people's kids are ordered about to school where they live, and we had senators that had little or no link to the states they're supposedly from is appalling. I have in mind the republican ass from Kansas and ex-sex butterball from LA.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 14, 2015 01:16 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Lanny Davis, Clinton Buttboy at April 14, 2015 01:16 PM (P330y)
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>>Yeah, lobbyists wouldn't be a problem if Congress followed the Constitution.
Which is why I don't give a lot of time to the Big Business is destroying America stuff. Congress writes laws every damn day that strangle business and are often contradictory and almost always stupid. Why the hell wouldn't business try to lobby against this? They'd be violating their fiduciary responsibility if they didn't.
The problem isn't interest groups, even ones I don't like. The problem is politicians who bend the Constitution and laws to favor one group over another. Stop doing that shit and lobbyists cease to have a meaningful impact.
Which is why I don't give a lot of time to the Big Business is destroying America stuff. Congress writes laws every damn day that strangle business and are often contradictory and almost always stupid. Why the hell wouldn't business try to lobby against this? They'd be violating their fiduciary responsibility if they didn't.
The problem isn't interest groups, even ones I don't like. The problem is politicians who bend the Constitution and laws to favor one group over another. Stop doing that shit and lobbyists cease to have a meaningful impact.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 14, 2015 01:16 PM (g1DWB)
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By the way this bill has about as much chance of passing as I do of playing Center Field for the Yankees
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2015 01:16 PM (rDqRv)
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Also, any relative of any Federal Office holder within 3 degrees of consanguinity should be barred forever from running for any federal office. Punishment should be life imprisonment or revocation of citizenship.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword
What a sick game.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword
What a sick game.
Posted by: Kevin Bacon at April 14, 2015 01:17 PM (Spluw)
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They'll never pass it
They don't want to lose their future jobs/slush funds
They don't want to lose their future jobs/slush funds
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:17 PM (q8xtr)
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Insty's idea on this is better. His idea may have some constitutional issues but they are not as readily apparent as this Blum idea.
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:17 PM (gmeXX)
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"82 http://tinyurl.com/lantj8x
Posted by: NotCoach at April 14, 2015 01:12 PM (rsudF)
As much as I would decry as illegitimate a court's decision that this doesn't apply to lawyers (because judges are lawyers and are thus self-interested) this doesn't apply to lawyers.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:15 PM (L2xDv)"
Let's be clear, I don't support that nonsense. I was only pointing out that some who do believe in the real 13th Amendment also believe all lawyers accept a title of nobility upon becoming lawyers.
Posted by: NotCoach at April 14, 2015 01:12 PM (rsudF)
As much as I would decry as illegitimate a court's decision that this doesn't apply to lawyers (because judges are lawyers and are thus self-interested) this doesn't apply to lawyers.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:15 PM (L2xDv)"
Let's be clear, I don't support that nonsense. I was only pointing out that some who do believe in the real 13th Amendment also believe all lawyers accept a title of nobility upon becoming lawyers.
Posted by: NotCoach at April 14, 2015 01:17 PM (rsudF)
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Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.
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Except then the lobbyists will gin it up as a Superfund site and then we're back where we started
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Except then the lobbyists will gin it up as a Superfund site and then we're back where we started
Posted by: Bigby's Sticky Fingers at April 14, 2015 01:17 PM (3ZtZW)
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The Washington Crowd will chew this guy up and spit him out.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 14, 2015 01:17 PM (l3vZN)
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I came up with this law years ago. Only difference was mine called for the death penalty. Too harsh?
Posted by: Eromero at April 14, 2015 01:17 PM (go5uR)
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69 65 Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:09 PM (L2xDv)
Do you deny having a monomaniacal hatred for lawyers? Your comments historically show this.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:11 PM (2Ojst)
I have a monomaniacal hatred for winter too, because it's trying to kill me.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:12 PM (L2xDv)
There you go. My statement was accurate, so suck it. Also, you're not right at all. Banning lawyers from being lobbyists, aside from being unconstitutional as all hell, would not solve the problem, real or perceived, of undue influence by lobbyists on government. The problem is, as others have pointed out, that the government has grown far beyond its proper scope and its officials are able to use this to be in the business of giving out goodies and favors to people willing to shovel money their way. Rein in government and the rest takes care of itself.
Do you deny having a monomaniacal hatred for lawyers? Your comments historically show this.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:11 PM (2Ojst)
I have a monomaniacal hatred for winter too, because it's trying to kill me.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:12 PM (L2xDv)
There you go. My statement was accurate, so suck it. Also, you're not right at all. Banning lawyers from being lobbyists, aside from being unconstitutional as all hell, would not solve the problem, real or perceived, of undue influence by lobbyists on government. The problem is, as others have pointed out, that the government has grown far beyond its proper scope and its officials are able to use this to be in the business of giving out goodies and favors to people willing to shovel money their way. Rein in government and the rest takes care of itself.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:17 PM (2Ojst)
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*points and laffs*
Posted by: Bigby's Sticky Fingers at April 14, 2015 01:14 PM (3ZtZW)
Hey, don't laugh. I'll have you know that my comment was the all-time most clever and funny and on point comment of all time.
Clearly that comment would have won the me the internet forever. And now it's gone.
I has a sad. I have been rooked.
Posted by: Bigby's Sticky Fingers at April 14, 2015 01:14 PM (3ZtZW)
Hey, don't laugh. I'll have you know that my comment was the all-time most clever and funny and on point comment of all time.
Clearly that comment would have won the me the internet forever. And now it's gone.
I has a sad. I have been rooked.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at April 14, 2015 01:17 PM (X+nFp)
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As Iowahawk says, to stop politicians from selling favors, take away their inventory. If we outlawed tax breaks targeted at specific companies or industries and eliminated all subsidies and waivers there would be little left to lobby about.
Posted by: Raul Johnson at April 14, 2015 01:18 PM (MiBr0)
101
Family members lobbyists? That's how these fuckers get around this.
Posted by: Dang at April 14, 2015 01:18 PM (FRkJH)
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Dear Congresscritter Blum,
I don't usually write letters like this, but you'll never believe what happened to me. I was minding my own business, and then my Nana got cancer.
Could you outlaw cancer?
Thanks!
A. Constit Tuent.
I don't usually write letters like this, but you'll never believe what happened to me. I was minding my own business, and then my Nana got cancer.
Could you outlaw cancer?
Thanks!
A. Constit Tuent.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 14, 2015 01:18 PM (TOk1P)
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Let's be clear, I don't support that nonsense. I was only pointing out that some who do believe in the real 13th Amendment also believe all lawyers accept a title of nobility upon becoming lawyers.
Posted by: NotCoach at April 14, 2015 01:17 PM (rsudF)
I agree but only rhetorically. I call them our New Aristocracy.
Posted by: NotCoach at April 14, 2015 01:17 PM (rsudF)
I agree but only rhetorically. I call them our New Aristocracy.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:18 PM (L2xDv)
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Clearly that comment would have won the me the internet forever. And now it's gone.
It'll come back in a few minutes, and now we'll all be sure to read it.
It'll come back in a few minutes, and now we'll all be sure to read it.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 14, 2015 01:19 PM (/kI1Q)
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>>Clearly that comment would have won the me the internet forever. And now it's gone.
Like tears in rain.
Like tears in rain.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 14, 2015 01:19 PM (g1DWB)
106
94. also believe all lawyers accept a title of nobility upon becoming lawyers.
You must be married to a lawyer also
You must be married to a lawyer also
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:19 PM (q8xtr)
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what happens to a thread enstompened
Posted by: ee cummings at April 14, 2015 01:19 PM (KtVta)
108
Hillary! news.
This just in (well, I just found it) at ABC news:
Clinton is getting her 2016 campaign for president started with a few caffeinated beverages and says she's ready to "drink my way across Iowa."
A sound bite that was born to be grabbed.
http://tinyurl.com/q2l2o2y
This just in (well, I just found it) at ABC news:
Clinton is getting her 2016 campaign for president started with a few caffeinated beverages and says she's ready to "drink my way across Iowa."
A sound bite that was born to be grabbed.
http://tinyurl.com/q2l2o2y
Posted by: m at April 14, 2015 01:19 PM (WIUGG)
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I can't see how this bill would stand up in court. Lifetime ban? So if a congressman gets elected at 35, and quits at 39, he's banned for life from getting a job as a lobbyist? That's a little harsh.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 14, 2015 01:20 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 14, 2015 01:20 PM (0FSuD)
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$8M mansion??? Since most Senators were all rich as hell before they were Senators they can probably afford it. But there is no reason that they should become billionairs on the taxpayer's dime.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 14, 2015 01:20 PM (wlDny)
112
Just yesterday I flushed out my car's blinker fluid, rotated the brake drums, and tuned the adjustable powerband.
Watch out for the exerciseband.
Posted by: Harry Reid at April 14, 2015 01:14 PM
Yea, those things are dangerous.
Watch out for the exerciseband.
Posted by: Harry Reid at April 14, 2015 01:14 PM
Yea, those things are dangerous.
Posted by: Harry Ried's Mobbed up Brother at April 14, 2015 01:20 PM (/Um0F)
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Just last night I tried out a new slow-cooker recipe for pulled pork I found in Good Housekeeping. Don't tell anyone, but I used diet Dr. Pepper instead of the regular Dr. Pepper. Trying to maintain my girlish figure (tee hee!).
#HillaryIsJustLikeYou
#HillaryIsJustLikeYou
Posted by: Hillary! at April 14, 2015 01:20 PM (2TN4k)
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I don't think anyone's nephew or grandchild - or anyone closer related - should be given power in our anti-aristocratically based republic.
It was assumed that shame would prevent this.
It hasn't.
Time to throw Jeb and Hillary in the pokey.
It was assumed that shame would prevent this.
It hasn't.
Time to throw Jeb and Hillary in the pokey.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 14, 2015 01:20 PM (S8V5R)
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Posted by: JackStraw at April 14, 2015 01:16 PM (g1DWB)
Right. While I'd love for CEOs of big businesses to get all indignant about it and give the finger to DC, I absolutely understand why they don't. Their job is to increase shareholder value, not to make political statements. So if they have to bribe (er, donate) certain politicians to keep the skids greased and be able to focus on their business without being demonized or attacked by the government... I mean, I get it.
But if there was no "money in politics" then our politicians wouldn't want to be in politics. The whole reason they're there is to get money, influence, and power. And to rub elbows with the truly wealthy and successful.
And if they followed the enumerated powers in the constitution... well, they wouldnt have much influence over businesses, and wouldnt be in a position to solicit huge bribes (er donations) since they'd have nothing to threaten and/or bribe companies with.
Right. While I'd love for CEOs of big businesses to get all indignant about it and give the finger to DC, I absolutely understand why they don't. Their job is to increase shareholder value, not to make political statements. So if they have to bribe (er, donate) certain politicians to keep the skids greased and be able to focus on their business without being demonized or attacked by the government... I mean, I get it.
But if there was no "money in politics" then our politicians wouldn't want to be in politics. The whole reason they're there is to get money, influence, and power. And to rub elbows with the truly wealthy and successful.
And if they followed the enumerated powers in the constitution... well, they wouldnt have much influence over businesses, and wouldnt be in a position to solicit huge bribes (er donations) since they'd have nothing to threaten and/or bribe companies with.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 14, 2015 01:20 PM (AkOaV)
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I'll take wont work and isn't Constitutional for a lifetime payoff Alex.
Posted by: DaveA at April 14, 2015 01:21 PM (ZZQ+Z)
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"106 94. also believe all lawyers accept a title of nobility upon becoming lawyers.
You must be married to a lawyer also
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:19 PM (q8xtr)"
No, but I met one once.
You must be married to a lawyer also
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:19 PM (q8xtr)"
No, but I met one once.
Posted by: NotCoach at April 14, 2015 01:21 PM (rsudF)
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This law has as much chance as passing as the Cubs staying in 1st place the rest of the year.
Go Cubs!! 4-2 baybee can ya believe it? Over 500 this late in the year!
Go Cubs!! 4-2 baybee can ya believe it? Over 500 this late in the year!
Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at April 14, 2015 01:21 PM (6yehy)
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Clinton is getting her 2016 campaign for president started with a few caffeinated beverages and says she's ready to "drink my way across Iowa."
================
She is such a fkn idiot
================
She is such a fkn idiot
Posted by: Bigby's Sticky Fingers at April 14, 2015 01:21 PM (3ZtZW)
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It'll come back in a few minutes, and now we'll all be sure to read it.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 14, 2015 01:19 PM (/kI1Q)
Well hell. I reserve the right to revise and extend my remarks.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 14, 2015 01:19 PM (/kI1Q)
Well hell. I reserve the right to revise and extend my remarks.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at April 14, 2015 01:21 PM (X+nFp)
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By the way how about a bill banning retired military from working at defense contractors? It's the exact same thing as this. But I never hear any "conservatives" complain about it.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 14, 2015 01:22 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:22 PM (gmeXX)
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Banning lawyers from being lobbyists, aside from being unconstitutional as all hell,
Posted by: Insomniac
How is the requirement of bar membership to practice law Constitutional?
Posted by: Insomniac
How is the requirement of bar membership to practice law Constitutional?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 14, 2015 01:22 PM (LSiNF)
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There you go. My statement was accurate, so suck
it. Also, you're not right at all. Banning lawyers from being
lobbyists, aside from being unconstitutional as all hell, would not
solve the problem, real or perceived, of undue influence by lobbyists on
government. The problem is, as others have pointed out, that the
government has grown far beyond its proper scope and its officials are
able to use this to be in the business of giving out goodies and favors
to people willing to shovel money their way. Rein in government and the
rest takes care of itself.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:17 PM (2Ojst)
Come on now. If lawyers themselves are willing to be honest (hah!) about it, they will tell you this world will be better off if all the lawyers in the world suddenly went away.
Reining in government is only one of the many many ways that would be true. It's silly to argue otherwise.
it. Also, you're not right at all. Banning lawyers from being
lobbyists, aside from being unconstitutional as all hell, would not
solve the problem, real or perceived, of undue influence by lobbyists on
government. The problem is, as others have pointed out, that the
government has grown far beyond its proper scope and its officials are
able to use this to be in the business of giving out goodies and favors
to people willing to shovel money their way. Rein in government and the
rest takes care of itself.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:17 PM (2Ojst)
Come on now. If lawyers themselves are willing to be honest (hah!) about it, they will tell you this world will be better off if all the lawyers in the world suddenly went away.
Reining in government is only one of the many many ways that would be true. It's silly to argue otherwise.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 14, 2015 01:22 PM (TOk1P)
125
118 This law has as much chance as passing as the Cubs staying in 1st place the rest of the year.
And to think I thought Garrett would bring this up first
And to think I thought Garrett would bring this up first
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:23 PM (q8xtr)
126
Over half of Shillary's Twitter users are fake. LOL> Fakes for a fake.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 14, 2015 01:23 PM (/Um0F)
127
99% tax on all income from lobbying for ex-public servants.
Posted by: Garrett at April 14, 2015 01:23 PM (XZbX0)
128
How is the requirement of bar membership to practice law Constitutional?
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Because it doesn't violate any part of the Constitution.
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Because it doesn't violate any part of the Constitution.
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:23 PM (gmeXX)
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who the actual lobbyists are doesn't matter by the way.
They're just the middle men.
So, former congressmen, lawyers, union thugs... makes no difference.
They just facilitate bribes and take their vig.
We're focusing on the wrong people.
They're just the middle men.
So, former congressmen, lawyers, union thugs... makes no difference.
They just facilitate bribes and take their vig.
We're focusing on the wrong people.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 14, 2015 01:23 PM (AkOaV)
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>>And if they followed the enumerated powers in the constitution... well, they wouldnt have much influence over businesses, and wouldnt be in a position to solicit huge bribes (er donations) since they'd have nothing to threaten and/or bribe companies with.
The system was designed to be self-correcting, we were supposed to remove people from office who didn't do their jobs properly.
Which is why the left has worked so hard to dumb down our schools, de-legitimize anyone talks about Constitutional powers (old document dude) and control the information machine.
Why should politicians change if they pay no price for the way they act? And that is on the public.
The system was designed to be self-correcting, we were supposed to remove people from office who didn't do their jobs properly.
Which is why the left has worked so hard to dumb down our schools, de-legitimize anyone talks about Constitutional powers (old document dude) and control the information machine.
Why should politicians change if they pay no price for the way they act? And that is on the public.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 14, 2015 01:24 PM (g1DWB)
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The problem is politicians who bend the Constitution and laws to favor one group over another.
I'm shocked, shocked to find out that gambling is going on in this establishment.
It's a very chicken-and-egg issue.
Yes, if Congress would just follow the constitution, corruption wouldn't be a problem. Which is rather like saying, "If only Congressmen weren't corrupt, corruption wouldn't be a problem."
Term limits are important. I'm also in favor of the life-time lobbying ban.
Big Businesses, though, *are* part of the problem. Big Businesses like regulations because regulations are anti-competitive. AT&T, Time Warner, and whoever else may claim to hate "all these regulations," but they're right there helping write them- and then helping pass them.
If they wanted influence because the regulations were "strangling" them, they wouldn't fight to pass them; they would fight to stop them.
I'm shocked, shocked to find out that gambling is going on in this establishment.
It's a very chicken-and-egg issue.
Yes, if Congress would just follow the constitution, corruption wouldn't be a problem. Which is rather like saying, "If only Congressmen weren't corrupt, corruption wouldn't be a problem."
Term limits are important. I'm also in favor of the life-time lobbying ban.
Big Businesses, though, *are* part of the problem. Big Businesses like regulations because regulations are anti-competitive. AT&T, Time Warner, and whoever else may claim to hate "all these regulations," but they're right there helping write them- and then helping pass them.
If they wanted influence because the regulations were "strangling" them, they wouldn't fight to pass them; they would fight to stop them.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 14, 2015 01:24 PM (kff5f)
132
How is the requirement of bar membership to practice law Constitutional?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 14, 2015 01:22 PM (LSiNF)
Same way it is for doctors, real estate agents, hair dressers, athletic (gym) trainers and about a thousand other occupations that are required to pass tests and pay for a license in order to be in business.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 14, 2015 01:22 PM (LSiNF)
Same way it is for doctors, real estate agents, hair dressers, athletic (gym) trainers and about a thousand other occupations that are required to pass tests and pay for a license in order to be in business.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 14, 2015 01:24 PM (gW5Vg)
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You go ad hominem when you can't go ad factium.
I'm right. You hate it, but I'm right.
And all my proposal will do is take away their excess unearned power.
If you want to have a special, unique and powerful role in society (a necessary one), then you shouldn't be able to parlay it into getting even more power.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:09 PM (L2xDv)
*chin on hands*
Please, by all means, explain to me, using the puppets because, as you have made crystalline clear, as a possessor of a JD I am too dim to understand otherwise, just how it is that it is acceptable for you to continually shit on the host's living room rug.
After all, ace holds a JD. Thus, when you go off on your hobby horse about the Snidely Whiplash level evil along with the sheer slack jawed drooling idiocy of every single person who ever graduated from law school, you are using such a person's own property to be so insulting.
So, again, please, explain to me how this is acceptable.
No, that is not rhetorical.
I'm right. You hate it, but I'm right.
And all my proposal will do is take away their excess unearned power.
If you want to have a special, unique and powerful role in society (a necessary one), then you shouldn't be able to parlay it into getting even more power.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:09 PM (L2xDv)
*chin on hands*
Please, by all means, explain to me, using the puppets because, as you have made crystalline clear, as a possessor of a JD I am too dim to understand otherwise, just how it is that it is acceptable for you to continually shit on the host's living room rug.
After all, ace holds a JD. Thus, when you go off on your hobby horse about the Snidely Whiplash level evil along with the sheer slack jawed drooling idiocy of every single person who ever graduated from law school, you are using such a person's own property to be so insulting.
So, again, please, explain to me how this is acceptable.
No, that is not rhetorical.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 14, 2015 01:24 PM (mf5HN)
134
CBS4 Investigation: TSA Screeners At DIA Manipulated System To Grope Men's Genitals
DENVER (CBS4) - A CBS4 investigation has learned that two Transportation Security Administration screeners at Denver International Airport have been fired after they were discovered manipulating passenger screening systems to allow a male TSA employee to fondle the genital areas of attractive male passengers.
http://tinyurl.com/kxjnfan
CBS4 Investigation: TSA Screeners At DIA Manipulated System To Grope Men's Genitals
DENVER (CBS4) - A CBS4 investigation has learned that two Transportation Security Administration screeners at Denver International Airport have been fired after they were discovered manipulating passenger screening systems to allow a male TSA employee to fondle the genital areas of attractive male passengers.
http://tinyurl.com/kxjnfan
Posted by: Our Ruling Class at April 14, 2015 01:24 PM (Y/jfK)
135
If we outlawed tax breaks targeted at specific companies or industries and eliminated all subsidies and waivers there would be little left to lobby about.
Posted by: Raul Johnson
i don't have to create a" tax break."
Ethanol mandates
an incandescent light bulb is now illegal.
CAFE standards.
Certain refrigerants are hereby banned by order of the Crown
All in the name of the children, environment, women....the BS list goes on. Stand back and wath who benefits. hell, there's numerous examples of companies "consulting" on the writing of the legislation.
Posted by: Raul Johnson
i don't have to create a" tax break."
Ethanol mandates
an incandescent light bulb is now illegal.
CAFE standards.
Certain refrigerants are hereby banned by order of the Crown
All in the name of the children, environment, women....the BS list goes on. Stand back and wath who benefits. hell, there's numerous examples of companies "consulting" on the writing of the legislation.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 14, 2015 01:25 PM (Spluw)
136
There you go. My statement was accurate, so suck it.
Wow, now that's the kind of Oxford Debating Society I expect when engaging those whose rhetorical skills entitle them to rule over me.
Also, you're not right at all. Banning lawyers from being lobbyists, aside from being unconstitutional as all hell,
If that's the case, then the judiciary -- being made 100% of lawyers -- is unconstitutional via the 14th amendment. Bar membership is recognized for all sorts of jobs. I'd point out that my proposal fails if they don't want to get bar membership back. But being able to practice (and engage in a number of activities that require bar membership) is a privilege, not a right.
would not solve the problem, real or perceived, of undue influence by lobbyists on government.
Disagree. Lawyers are the problem. They engage in regulatory expansion because tedious paperwork doesn't distract a lawyer from his job, it *is* his job.
Well, maybe lawyers are just an indicator of corruption, like ants indicating a picnic, but I like to think they are the lubricant by which corruption enters the body politic.
Wow, now that's the kind of Oxford Debating Society I expect when engaging those whose rhetorical skills entitle them to rule over me.
Also, you're not right at all. Banning lawyers from being lobbyists, aside from being unconstitutional as all hell,
If that's the case, then the judiciary -- being made 100% of lawyers -- is unconstitutional via the 14th amendment. Bar membership is recognized for all sorts of jobs. I'd point out that my proposal fails if they don't want to get bar membership back. But being able to practice (and engage in a number of activities that require bar membership) is a privilege, not a right.
would not solve the problem, real or perceived, of undue influence by lobbyists on government.
Disagree. Lawyers are the problem. They engage in regulatory expansion because tedious paperwork doesn't distract a lawyer from his job, it *is* his job.
Well, maybe lawyers are just an indicator of corruption, like ants indicating a picnic, but I like to think they are the lubricant by which corruption enters the body politic.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:25 PM (L2xDv)
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Ouch ouch ouch ouch, this has got to leave a scorch mark and a brown mark.
Sen. Cotton says to compare this President's negotiations with Iran to Chamberlain's negotiations with Hitler an insult to Chamberlain.
From Powerline
http://tinyurl.com/mbo3549
Sen. Cotton says to compare this President's negotiations with Iran to Chamberlain's negotiations with Hitler an insult to Chamberlain.
From Powerline
http://tinyurl.com/mbo3549
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 14, 2015 01:25 PM (kEeS6)
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Please explain how you can oppose government regulating political speech, but you can support government regulating political lobbying.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 14, 2015 01:25 PM (2ap0X)
Posted by: tu3031 at April 14, 2015 01:25 PM (YFFpo)
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I couldn't get the damn mower started. Had to hit AutoZone for a new spark plug! Man, they don't make spark plugs like they used to.
Posted by: Hillary! at April 14, 2015 01:25 PM (KtVta)
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>>>>How is the requirement of bar membership to practice law Constitutional?
Its not necessarily a requirement. You can defend yourself, write up a contract, even act as a magistrate without bar membership. But you cannot hang a shingle. Thats different from, say, medicine where if you do anything other than on yourself you could be sued.
Its not necessarily a requirement. You can defend yourself, write up a contract, even act as a magistrate without bar membership. But you cannot hang a shingle. Thats different from, say, medicine where if you do anything other than on yourself you could be sued.
Posted by: Bigby's Sticky Fingers at April 14, 2015 01:25 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 14, 2015 01:25 PM (0FSuD)
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132. about a thousand other occupations that are required to pass tests and pay for a license in order to be in business.
Like cabbies btw
Like cabbies btw
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:26 PM (q8xtr)
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This isn't a conservative bill at all, it is a populist bill that people like because it fires up their hatred of the ruling class. I get it. But it's not conservative.
Posted by: chemjeff at April 14, 2015 01:26 PM (2ap0X)
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Since most Senators were all rich as hell before they were Senators they can probably afford it.
Disagree, Vic. Not Obama (and Michelle got a 200% raise when he got to the Senate). Not Reid.
Disagree, Vic. Not Obama (and Michelle got a 200% raise when he got to the Senate). Not Reid.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:26 PM (L2xDv)
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NCJ. Stealing my thunder.
Posted by: Garrett at April 14, 2015 01:26 PM (XZbX0)
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How is the requirement of bar membership to practice law Constitutional?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 14, 2015 01:22 PM (LSiNF)
I don't see how that's relevant, but I would go with 10th Amendment and traditional police power of the state.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 14, 2015 01:22 PM (LSiNF)
I don't see how that's relevant, but I would go with 10th Amendment and traditional police power of the state.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:26 PM (2Ojst)
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107 what happens to a thread enstompened
Posted by: ee cummings at April 14, 2015 01:19 PM (KtVta)
As I walk this land of broken dreams
I have visions of many things.
But happiness is just an illusion,
Filled with sadness and confusion.
What becomes of a thread enstompened?
Posted by: ee cummings at April 14, 2015 01:19 PM (KtVta)
As I walk this land of broken dreams
I have visions of many things.
But happiness is just an illusion,
Filled with sadness and confusion.
What becomes of a thread enstompened?
Posted by: Jimmy Ruffin at April 14, 2015 01:26 PM (WIUGG)
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If we repaved the streets in DC with the nuclear waste Harry wont let us bury in the hole we already paid for you Might deter them some. Still unConstitutional and unlikely to work on the umpteen Trillion $ involved.
Posted by: DaveA at April 14, 2015 01:26 PM (ZZQ+Z)
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Other professions are a lot more sanguine. Accountants for example will tell you again and again that we would be far better off with 2 things changed - first, that the federal income tax laws be replaced with something flat or fair that can be done by the individual. We can do without that income stream and would prefer to do books forever rather than taxes.
Secondly, accountants hold that lawyers should not be allowed to make any law pertaining to numbers, because they are not able nor trained to perceive reality or math. And they deserve to be hounded and beaten with wooden branches.
All Accountants believe this, you know.
Secondly, accountants hold that lawyers should not be allowed to make any law pertaining to numbers, because they are not able nor trained to perceive reality or math. And they deserve to be hounded and beaten with wooden branches.
All Accountants believe this, you know.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 14, 2015 01:26 PM (S8V5R)
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If that's the case, then the judiciary -- being made 100% of lawyers -- is unconstitutional via the 14th amendment.
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I'll let you continue your anti-lawyer hobby horse. But the Constitution is mine.
How does your above statement make sense?
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I'll let you continue your anti-lawyer hobby horse. But the Constitution is mine.
How does your above statement make sense?
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:26 PM (gmeXX)
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So if a congressman gets elected at 35, and quits at
39, he's banned for life from getting a job as a lobbyist? That's a
little harsh.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 14, 2015 01:20 PM (0LHZx)
I don't normally acknowledge the existence of some people here, but this is too good to pass up:
You know if somebody rapes somebody when they're in their twenties, they go on the sex offender registry for life. And all that person did was rape somebody. Whereas YOUR congresscritter spent four freakin' years congressing!
39, he's banned for life from getting a job as a lobbyist? That's a
little harsh.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 14, 2015 01:20 PM (0LHZx)
I don't normally acknowledge the existence of some people here, but this is too good to pass up:
You know if somebody rapes somebody when they're in their twenties, they go on the sex offender registry for life. And all that person did was rape somebody. Whereas YOUR congresscritter spent four freakin' years congressing!
Posted by: BurtTC at April 14, 2015 01:27 PM (TOk1P)
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Like cabbies btw
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:26 PM (q8xtr)
Indeed.
Btw, has NCK downloaded the new cd yet?
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:26 PM (q8xtr)
Indeed.
Btw, has NCK downloaded the new cd yet?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 14, 2015 01:27 PM (gW5Vg)
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And that is on the public.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 14, 2015 01:24 PM (g1DWB)
Well, I don't know how you fix it.
It would almost be easier if we could look at the constitution and say, "oh, there's the problem. The founders missed xyz, if we could fix THAT, our government would work better."
But uh, no, the constitution is devised pretty well. Some unnecessary rhetorical flourishes, but designed in a solid way.
Unfortunately, everyone just ignores it.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 14, 2015 01:24 PM (g1DWB)
Well, I don't know how you fix it.
It would almost be easier if we could look at the constitution and say, "oh, there's the problem. The founders missed xyz, if we could fix THAT, our government would work better."
But uh, no, the constitution is devised pretty well. Some unnecessary rhetorical flourishes, but designed in a solid way.
Unfortunately, everyone just ignores it.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 14, 2015 01:28 PM (AkOaV)
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Posted by: Soona at April 14, 2015 01:28 PM (/HX7u)
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Legislators have dramatically curtailed what pharmaceutical companies can provide for physicians because they were certain that pens and sticky note pads were influencing our decision about what to prescribe and driving up costs. They may have been right too. Either way-goose/gander. I think it is an excellent idea to limit lobbyist access and bar congressman and staffers from working in lobbying after they leave the government. They should get to enter the real world and live with the consequences of the laws they created.
Posted by: DrC at April 14, 2015 01:28 PM (TAu/7)
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133. Serious question
What % of the posters here have their JD?
I'm guessing an easy 30%
Add in the number of gingers and the site starts to get scary
What % of the posters here have their JD?
I'm guessing an easy 30%
Add in the number of gingers and the site starts to get scary
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:28 PM (q8xtr)
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So if a congressman gets elected at 35, and quits at 39, he's banned for life from getting a job as a lobbyist? That's a little harsh.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 14, 2015 01:20 PM (0LHZx)
There are plenty of other jobs he could do. It's not graven in stone that he must become a lobbyist.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 14, 2015 01:20 PM (0LHZx)
There are plenty of other jobs he could do. It's not graven in stone that he must become a lobbyist.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 14, 2015 01:28 PM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Kreplach at April 14, 2015 01:28 PM (D9OaR)
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Same way it is for doctors, real estate agents, hair dressers, athletic (gym) trainers and about a thousand other occupations that are required to pass tests and pay for a license in order to be in business.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 14, 2015 01:24 PM (gW5Vg)
None of those professions have unique sanction in a Republic. I am entitled to equal treatment under the law.
Moreover, if our laws are too complicated that they can only be understood by a lawyer -- we do not have a Republic, we have an oligarchy.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 14, 2015 01:24 PM (gW5Vg)
None of those professions have unique sanction in a Republic. I am entitled to equal treatment under the law.
Moreover, if our laws are too complicated that they can only be understood by a lawyer -- we do not have a Republic, we have an oligarchy.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:29 PM (L2xDv)
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Add in the number of gingers and the site starts to get scary
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:28 PM (q8xtr)
Some of us are both.
*steals your soul*
*bills you for it*
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:28 PM (q8xtr)
Some of us are both.
*steals your soul*
*bills you for it*
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 14, 2015 01:29 PM (gW5Vg)
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There are plenty of other jobs he could do. It's not graven in stone that he must become a lobbyist.
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No but it is the most lucrative - and lucky for them protected by the first amendment. So why wouldn't they?
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No but it is the most lucrative - and lucky for them protected by the first amendment. So why wouldn't they?
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:29 PM (gmeXX)
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"drink my way across Iowa."
A sound bite that was born to be grabbed.
http://tinyurl.com/q2l2o2y
Posted by: m at April 14, 2015 01:19 PM (WIUGG)
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* Hic*,,.....
"drink my way across Iowa."
A sound bite that was born to be grabbed.
http://tinyurl.com/q2l2o2y
Posted by: m at April 14, 2015 01:19 PM (WIUGG)
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* Hic*,,.....
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 14, 2015 01:30 PM (HSmrB)
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Please explain how you can oppose government regulating political speech, but you can support government regulating political lobbying.
Posted by: chemjeff
A fair point. may we please use the inverse of this? Those pretending to care about money in speech (Princess Running Joke) should then be in favor of regulating lobbying.
I'm certain that they are not, but it'd be fun.
Posted by: chemjeff
A fair point. may we please use the inverse of this? Those pretending to care about money in speech (Princess Running Joke) should then be in favor of regulating lobbying.
I'm certain that they are not, but it'd be fun.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 14, 2015 01:30 PM (Spluw)
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Moreover, if our laws are too complicated that they can only be understood by a lawyer -- we do not have a Republic, we have an oligarchy.
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Why the common law is better than civil law.
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Why the common law is better than civil law.
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:30 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Bigby's Sticky Fingers at April 14, 2015 01:31 PM (3ZtZW)
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Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:25 PM (L2xDv)
Not all judges are lawyers. You're also a one-note Johnny and a real ass.
Not all judges are lawyers. You're also a one-note Johnny and a real ass.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:31 PM (2Ojst)
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>>Well, I don't know how you fix it.
I'd start with a basic civics test but I'm sure that's racist and sexist and anti-LGBTHEROAHFNSODBN. Weeding out some of the LIVs and keeping their votes from having the same weight as people who are knowledgable about the process doesn't seem all that controversial to me but I know it would never pass.
I'd start with a basic civics test but I'm sure that's racist and sexist and anti-LGBTHEROAHFNSODBN. Weeding out some of the LIVs and keeping their votes from having the same weight as people who are knowledgable about the process doesn't seem all that controversial to me but I know it would never pass.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 14, 2015 01:31 PM (g1DWB)
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I'll let you continue your anti-lawyer hobby horse. But the Constitution is mine.
How does your above statement make sense?
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:26 PM (gmeXX)
Equal protection under the law. And don't tell me that I have to spend three productive years of life and hundreds of thousands of dollars to get that protection.
How does your above statement make sense?
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:26 PM (gmeXX)
Equal protection under the law. And don't tell me that I have to spend three productive years of life and hundreds of thousands of dollars to get that protection.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:31 PM (L2xDv)
170
153. Hailstorm
But of course
But of course
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:32 PM (q8xtr)
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Great stuff. I've said much the same about judges and the revolving door to lucrative mediator/arbitrator gigs in retirement. It keeps them kissing ass to big law firms that will push business their way after the leave the bench.
I hate "campaign finance" laws and regulations They're a violation of the First Amendment from transparency/disclosure requirements soup (only Clarence Thomas gets it) to McCain/Feingold nuts. Let people donate all they wish to who they wish, without disclosure.
Hint - people won't but politicians if they can't hand out sugar.
This law is a good start to yanking the candy of our Dirty Uncle Harry's hand and correspondingly out of baby's mouth.
I hate "campaign finance" laws and regulations They're a violation of the First Amendment from transparency/disclosure requirements soup (only Clarence Thomas gets it) to McCain/Feingold nuts. Let people donate all they wish to who they wish, without disclosure.
Hint - people won't but politicians if they can't hand out sugar.
This law is a good start to yanking the candy of our Dirty Uncle Harry's hand and correspondingly out of baby's mouth.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 14, 2015 01:32 PM (QKIQb)
172
Serious question
What % of the posters here have their JD?
I'm guessing an easy 30%
Add in the number of gingers and the site starts to get scary
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:28 PM (q8xtr)
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*Hic* what the fcuk is a JD? I know 'bout JB, *hic*....
Serious question
What % of the posters here have their JD?
I'm guessing an easy 30%
Add in the number of gingers and the site starts to get scary
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:28 PM (q8xtr)
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*Hic* what the fcuk is a JD? I know 'bout JB, *hic*....
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 14, 2015 01:32 PM (HSmrB)
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>>>I am entitled to equal treatment under the law.
That was one of the first entitlements to go, sorry.
That was one of the first entitlements to go, sorry.
Posted by: Bigby's Sticky Fingers at April 14, 2015 01:32 PM (3ZtZW)
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Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 14, 2015 01:24 PM (mf5HN)
Ace can ban me or argue with me.
I also hold a public high school degree and I think that that was a waste of time and energy.
Ace can ban me or argue with me.
I also hold a public high school degree and I think that that was a waste of time and energy.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:32 PM (L2xDv)
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I know it would never pass.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 14, 2015 01:31 PM (g1DWB)
Right.
And even if it did pass, would you really trust our friends in DC (and/or in the state capitols) to come up with a "fair" test?
Me neither.
It's depressing when you think about it. The whole fedgov machine as evolved to the point where it's pretty impervious to outside attacks.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 14, 2015 01:31 PM (g1DWB)
Right.
And even if it did pass, would you really trust our friends in DC (and/or in the state capitols) to come up with a "fair" test?
Me neither.
It's depressing when you think about it. The whole fedgov machine as evolved to the point where it's pretty impervious to outside attacks.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 14, 2015 01:33 PM (AkOaV)
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won't buy politicians..... I denounce my keyboard.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 14, 2015 01:33 PM (QKIQb)
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Equal protection under the law. And don't tell me that I have to spend three productive years of life and hundreds of thousands of dollars to get that protection.
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How is bar membership treating you unfairly under the law?
I'm not saying it should be a requirement - but I'm not sure how it violates the 14th Amendment.
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How is bar membership treating you unfairly under the law?
I'm not saying it should be a requirement - but I'm not sure how it violates the 14th Amendment.
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:33 PM (gmeXX)
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The only way to get a cleaner government is to make it smaller.
Posted by: Our Ruling Class at April 14, 2015 01:34 PM (Y/jfK)
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OT:
Not sure how serious to take this - from Judicial Watch:
http://tinyurl.com/lz38drk
ISIS camp a few miles from Texas. Mexican officials confirm.
It's the last part that has me raising my eyebrow.
Not sure how serious to take this - from Judicial Watch:
http://tinyurl.com/lz38drk
ISIS camp a few miles from Texas. Mexican officials confirm.
It's the last part that has me raising my eyebrow.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 14, 2015 01:34 PM (BZAd3)
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I also hold a public high school degree and I think that that was a waste of time and energy.
Yours took energy?
I also hold a public high school degree and I think that that was a waste of time and energy.
Yours took energy?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 14, 2015 01:34 PM (JtwS4)
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157
133. Serious question
What % of the posters here have their JD?
I'm guessing an easy 30%
Add in the number of gingers and the site starts to get scary
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:28 PM (q8xtr)
And the Dentists! Don't for get 'Nevergivesup"
I would say more Veterans than lawyers here. Sounds like somedays the Navy runs this place.
133. Serious question
What % of the posters here have their JD?
I'm guessing an easy 30%
Add in the number of gingers and the site starts to get scary
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:28 PM (q8xtr)
And the Dentists! Don't for get 'Nevergivesup"
I would say more Veterans than lawyers here. Sounds like somedays the Navy runs this place.
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 14, 2015 01:34 PM (0FSuD)
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Been reading the comments. I like Allen G's solution the best.
Posted by: Soona at April 14, 2015 01:35 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 14, 2015 01:35 PM (QKIQb)
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Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 14, 2015 01:34 PM (BZAd3)
Si, si, ISIS all over the place, amigo.
I'd recommend you send muy dinero to us so we can fix this force you.
Si, si, ISIS all over the place, amigo.
I'd recommend you send muy dinero to us so we can fix this force you.
Posted by: Mexican officials, snorting coke and hanging out with their gangmember buddies at April 14, 2015 01:35 PM (AkOaV)
185
Not unlike werewolves and vampires are the stories of Rampaging Accountants hunting the slithering Night People of the Bar. Across ink-blot shadows and down ledger-straight alleys the hunters lope after the perfumed and dangerous prey. A flash of a pen, a circled red number, and a coven partner goes down for malfeasance and illegal billing. . .
I'd read the comic.
I'd read the comic.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 14, 2015 01:35 PM (S8V5R)
186
This bill has as much chance of passing as a term limit bill.
Posted by: wrg500 at April 14, 2015 01:35 PM (kQBSd)
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Yours took energy?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 14, 2015 01:34 PM (JtwS4)
Prob takes a lot of energy for the math geeks running from the guys looking to give swirlies.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 14, 2015 01:34 PM (JtwS4)
Prob takes a lot of energy for the math geeks running from the guys looking to give swirlies.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 14, 2015 01:35 PM (gW5Vg)
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:35 PM (q8xtr)
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ISIS camp a few miles from Texas. Mexican officials confirm.
It's the last part that has me raising my eyebrow.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 14, 2015 01:34 PM (BZAd3)
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What difference, at this point, does it make?1/1/!!!?!?!?1?
*hic*...
ISIS camp a few miles from Texas. Mexican officials confirm.
It's the last part that has me raising my eyebrow.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 14, 2015 01:34 PM (BZAd3)
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What difference, at this point, does it make?1/1/!!!?!?!?1?
*hic*...
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 14, 2015 01:35 PM (HSmrB)
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ISIS camp a few miles from Texas. Mexican officials confirm.
It's the last part that has me raising my eyebrow.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 14, 2015 01:34 PM (BZAd3)
"...behind everyblade of grass mesquite tree."
(yes, I know it's really a "bush." We still call them trees)
It's the last part that has me raising my eyebrow.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 14, 2015 01:34 PM (BZAd3)
"...behind every
(yes, I know it's really a "bush." We still call them trees)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 14, 2015 01:35 PM (kff5f)
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I would say more Veterans than lawyers here. Sounds like somedays the Navy runs this place.
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 14, 2015 01:34 PM (0FSuD)
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Fucking squids.
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 14, 2015 01:34 PM (0FSuD)
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Fucking squids.
Posted by: Soona at April 14, 2015 01:36 PM (/HX7u)
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It's laughable that some people think you can legislate away corruption. Might as well try to legislate away the laws of physics.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 14, 2015 01:36 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 14, 2015 01:36 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 14, 2015 01:36 PM (/kI1Q)
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Let me understand this....
In Drew's perfect world, the people who advocate on behalf of people for laws can neither be former lawmakers or even staff of lawmakers.
That sure sounds like a prescription for some fucked up laws.
Also, I don't like the idea of government telling someone what the can or can't do for a living.
No, I believe I'll toss this Drew idea on the scrap heap with all the other Drew ideas.
In Drew's perfect world, the people who advocate on behalf of people for laws can neither be former lawmakers or even staff of lawmakers.
That sure sounds like a prescription for some fucked up laws.
Also, I don't like the idea of government telling someone what the can or can't do for a living.
No, I believe I'll toss this Drew idea on the scrap heap with all the other Drew ideas.
Posted by: jwest at April 14, 2015 01:36 PM (9ZZd+)
196
Why the common law is better than civil law.
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:30 PM (gmeXX)
Too much faith in institutional honesty is required in order to be governed primarily by common law.
The advent of Social Justice and Marxism has taught us that our institutions and those who manage them cannot be trusted.
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:30 PM (gmeXX)
Too much faith in institutional honesty is required in order to be governed primarily by common law.
The advent of Social Justice and Marxism has taught us that our institutions and those who manage them cannot be trusted.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:36 PM (L2xDv)
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143
132. about a thousand other occupations that are required to pass tests and pay for a license in order to be in business.
Like cabbies btw
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:26 PM (q8xtr)
Like me for a damn lot of years, and unlike a Lawyer, I had to pass 3 tests every year to keep my license. And that doesn't count the weeks of "retraining" I had to get every year that required passing a test there each week.
Now there's an idea. Have people like me who has been trained in test writing construct an annual exam on the Constitution for all congress members every year, If they fail it (less than 80) they get one chance at a retake and if they fail that they are automatically impeached/recalled.
And I get to write all the gotcha questions I want.
132. about a thousand other occupations that are required to pass tests and pay for a license in order to be in business.
Like cabbies btw
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:26 PM (q8xtr)
Like me for a damn lot of years, and unlike a Lawyer, I had to pass 3 tests every year to keep my license. And that doesn't count the weeks of "retraining" I had to get every year that required passing a test there each week.
Now there's an idea. Have people like me who has been trained in test writing construct an annual exam on the Constitution for all congress members every year, If they fail it (less than 80) they get one chance at a retake and if they fail that they are automatically impeached/recalled.
And I get to write all the gotcha questions I want.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 14, 2015 01:36 PM (wlDny)
198
Sounds like somedays the Navy runs this place.
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 14, 2015 01:34 PM (0FSuD)
If we really ran this place there would be more sodomy, rum, and sodomy.
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 14, 2015 01:34 PM (0FSuD)
If we really ran this place there would be more sodomy, rum, and sodomy.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2015 01:37 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 14, 2015 01:37 PM (kff5f)
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What next? Talk of Pirate Accountants?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 14, 2015 01:37 PM (kEeS6)
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181. Sounds like somedays the Navy runs this place.
Must be why it's award winning
Could use a field day or three though
Must be why it's award winning
Could use a field day or three though
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:37 PM (q8xtr)
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She does a wicked Amen cover
I'll record it tonight and put it up for the ONT
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:35 PM (q8xtr)
Oh, oh nice. I'll be looking for it.
I'll record it tonight and put it up for the ONT
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:35 PM (q8xtr)
Oh, oh nice. I'll be looking for it.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 14, 2015 01:37 PM (gW5Vg)
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Disagree, Vic. Not Obama (and Michelle got a 200% raise when he got to the Senate). Not Reid.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:26 PM (L2xDv)
Mooch took a big pay cut when she left that corrupt make-work job in Chicago.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:26 PM (L2xDv)
Mooch took a big pay cut when she left that corrupt make-work job in Chicago.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 14, 2015 01:37 PM (wlDny)
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If we really ran this place there would be more sodomy, rum, and sodomy.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2015 01:37 PM (rDqRv)
You said sodomy twice...
If we really ran this place there would be more sodomy, rum, and sodomy.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2015 01:37 PM (rDqRv)
You said sodomy twice...
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:37 PM (2Ojst)
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>>ISIS camp a few miles from Texas. Mexican officials confirm.
Hello, Mullah.
Hello, Mahdi.
Here I am at
Camp Jihadi.
Hello, Mullah.
Hello, Mahdi.
Here I am at
Camp Jihadi.
Posted by: Garrett at April 14, 2015 01:38 PM (XZbX0)
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Too much faith in institutional honesty is required in order to be governed primarily by common law.
The advent of Social Justice and Marxism has taught us that our institutions and those who manage them cannot be trusted.
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What came first - the turn to civil law or the turn of those who run the institutions?
I am convinced more than ever that problems really started when we started to really abandon common law.
The advent of Social Justice and Marxism has taught us that our institutions and those who manage them cannot be trusted.
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What came first - the turn to civil law or the turn of those who run the institutions?
I am convinced more than ever that problems really started when we started to really abandon common law.
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:38 PM (gmeXX)
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What next? Talk of Pirate Accountants?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 14, 2015 01:37 PM (kEeS6)
Pirate Caddies?
"Yaaarrrr. Ya' shot paaarrr."
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 14, 2015 01:37 PM (kEeS6)
Pirate Caddies?
"Yaaarrrr. Ya' shot paaarrr."
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 14, 2015 01:39 PM (kff5f)
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Hentai and Eldritch horrors abound on this site...
Where else would Lloyd Benson have a hoo-hah?
eeekkk!!!*
Where else would Lloyd Benson have a hoo-hah?
eeekkk!!!*
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 14, 2015 01:39 PM (kEeS6)
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Not all judges are lawyers.
Now who's naive, Kate?
I'm sure there are some rural justices of the peace who are not, but can you find me a Federal judge who isn't? A state supreme court judge? Any judge who sets precedent?
You're also a one-note Johnny and a real ass.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:31 PM (2Ojst)
A lot of asses during the time of the revolution. Sayin' a lot of things people didn't want to hear.
Now who's naive, Kate?
I'm sure there are some rural justices of the peace who are not, but can you find me a Federal judge who isn't? A state supreme court judge? Any judge who sets precedent?
You're also a one-note Johnny and a real ass.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:31 PM (2Ojst)
A lot of asses during the time of the revolution. Sayin' a lot of things people didn't want to hear.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:39 PM (L2xDv)
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"How is the requirement of bar membership to practice law Constitutional?"
I think you could legit argue that it's a restraint of trade issue. Licensing isn't about competence so much as credentialism, cronyism and guild socialism nowadays. Lawyers used to learn their craft by apprenticeship (technically in CA you still can, although it's hen's teeth rare now). Lincoln didn't go to law school for instance.
I think you could legit argue that it's a restraint of trade issue. Licensing isn't about competence so much as credentialism, cronyism and guild socialism nowadays. Lawyers used to learn their craft by apprenticeship (technically in CA you still can, although it's hen's teeth rare now). Lincoln didn't go to law school for instance.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 14, 2015 01:39 PM (QKIQb)
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What next? Talk of Pirate Accountants?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 14, 2015 01:37 PM (kEeS6)
Arrrrrr, this be an above-the-line deduction, matey!
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 14, 2015 01:37 PM (kEeS6)
Arrrrrr, this be an above-the-line deduction, matey!
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:39 PM (2Ojst)
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There's an unenstompening or a reenstompening happening. Need a Talmudic ruling on that.
Now, did someone say sodomy?
There's an unenstompening or a reenstompening happening. Need a Talmudic ruling on that.
Now, did someone say sodomy?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 14, 2015 01:39 PM (JtwS4)
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170 153. Hailstorm
But of course
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:32 PM (q8xtr)
*twitches*
Halestorm
But of course
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:32 PM (q8xtr)
*twitches*
Halestorm
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 14, 2015 01:40 PM (gW5Vg)
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Posted by: jwest at April 14, 2015 01:36 PM (9ZZd+)
Well, I don't agree with Drew.
But I think your description of lobbyists is... off.
They're middle men who facilitate bribes and favors from politicians to cronies and from businesses who are scared of the government to politicians.
It's kind of a make work no-show job.
Now the reason you can't outlaw lobbyists is because
a) it will still happen no matter what laws you pass
and
b) we have the constitutional right to redress grievances. As in, if I want to march around DC all day bothering congressmen with my political ideas, they have to let me. And theres no way to legally draw that line between people actually trying to influence their elected officials (legal, good behavior) and people trying to buy/sell influence /money either on behalf of businesses or politicians. (legal, bad behavior)
Well, I don't agree with Drew.
But I think your description of lobbyists is... off.
They're middle men who facilitate bribes and favors from politicians to cronies and from businesses who are scared of the government to politicians.
It's kind of a make work no-show job.
Now the reason you can't outlaw lobbyists is because
a) it will still happen no matter what laws you pass
and
b) we have the constitutional right to redress grievances. As in, if I want to march around DC all day bothering congressmen with my political ideas, they have to let me. And theres no way to legally draw that line between people actually trying to influence their elected officials (legal, good behavior) and people trying to buy/sell influence /money either on behalf of businesses or politicians. (legal, bad behavior)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 14, 2015 01:40 PM (AkOaV)
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You said sodomy twice...
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:37 PM (2Ojst)
He left one out, obviously.
You said sodomy twice...
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:37 PM (2Ojst)
He left one out, obviously.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 14, 2015 01:40 PM (BZAd3)
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The stomp post that temporarily disappeared has reappeared.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:40 PM (2Ojst)
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Another solution would be a voucher program for ex- senators and representatives.
Posted by: Garrett at April 14, 2015 01:41 PM (XZbX0)
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213. Spellcheck failed me
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:41 PM (q8xtr)
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How is bar membership treating you unfairly under the law?
I'm not saying it should be a requirement - but I'm not sure how it violates the 14th Amendment.
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:33 PM (gmeXX)
I'm locked out of a third of government.
The third that routinely invalidates my votes.
I'm not saying it should be a requirement - but I'm not sure how it violates the 14th Amendment.
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:33 PM (gmeXX)
I'm locked out of a third of government.
The third that routinely invalidates my votes.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:41 PM (L2xDv)
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217. It'll bring back cities like Detroit
Posted by: Navycopjoe betting on Da Cubbies at April 14, 2015 01:42 PM (q8xtr)
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Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:39 PM (L2xDv)
You made an absolute statement which I disproved, and now you're moving the goalposts. There are judges who are not backwater justices of the peace who are not lawyers. Also, comparing yourself to an American revolutionary? You really are psychologically damaged. Oh, and go fuck yourself for calling me Kate. Asshole.
You made an absolute statement which I disproved, and now you're moving the goalposts. There are judges who are not backwater justices of the peace who are not lawyers. Also, comparing yourself to an American revolutionary? You really are psychologically damaged. Oh, and go fuck yourself for calling me Kate. Asshole.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:43 PM (2Ojst)
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new one
Posted by: Jimmy Ruffin at April 14, 2015 01:44 PM (WIUGG)
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Like me for a damn lot of years, and unlike a Lawyer, I had to pass 3 tests every year to keep my license. And that doesn't count the weeks of "retraining" I had to get every year that required passing a test there each week.
Lawyers have to do a lot of retraining. I don't recall what they call it, but they have to take classes periodically.
That's why those who don't practice often let their bar membership lapse. It would involve time and money to take the classes.
Lawyers have to do a lot of retraining. I don't recall what they call it, but they have to take classes periodically.
That's why those who don't practice often let their bar membership lapse. It would involve time and money to take the classes.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:44 PM (L2xDv)
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You said sodomy twice...
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:37 PM (2Ojst)
Well with the price of rum going up and sodomy is mostly free
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:37 PM (2Ojst)
Well with the price of rum going up and sodomy is mostly free
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 14, 2015 01:44 PM (rDqRv)
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"That sure sounds like a prescription for some fucked up laws"
Or some laws that are simple enough to make ignorantia juris non excusat meaningful again.
Hayek was right to warn about "government by experts." Are you seriously asking me to believe that Nancy Pelosi has more legislative acumen than my barber?
If the law requires a lawyer to write and understand it, it's suspect. I've had my head in law books for three decades and 90% of good law is about common sense. You could have one of us on standby for a whole legislative session to clean up the 10% of problematic or tricky stuff - mainly about how laws overlap, conflict and interrelate (hint - the fewer there are the easier that question will be)
Or some laws that are simple enough to make ignorantia juris non excusat meaningful again.
Hayek was right to warn about "government by experts." Are you seriously asking me to believe that Nancy Pelosi has more legislative acumen than my barber?
If the law requires a lawyer to write and understand it, it's suspect. I've had my head in law books for three decades and 90% of good law is about common sense. You could have one of us on standby for a whole legislative session to clean up the 10% of problematic or tricky stuff - mainly about how laws overlap, conflict and interrelate (hint - the fewer there are the easier that question will be)
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 14, 2015 01:44 PM (QKIQb)
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"... theres no way to legally draw that line between people actually trying to influence their elected officials (legal, good behavior) and people trying to buy/sell influence /money either on behalf of businesses or politicians. (legal, bad behavior)"
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 14, 2015 01:40 PM (AkOaV)
Exactly.
It's just better to lump distain on Drew in the comments because he makes a habit of knee-jerk, half baked, un-thought out responses to whatever comes along in politics.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 14, 2015 01:40 PM (AkOaV)
Exactly.
It's just better to lump distain on Drew in the comments because he makes a habit of knee-jerk, half baked, un-thought out responses to whatever comes along in politics.
Posted by: jwest at April 14, 2015 01:45 PM (9ZZd+)
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cough cough
new ace thread up at 1:33
new ace thread up at 1:33
Posted by: Jimmy Ruffin at April 14, 2015 01:45 PM (WIUGG)
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I can't see how this bill would stand up in court.
Lifetime ban? So if a congressman gets elected at 35, and quits at 39,
he's banned for life from getting a job as a lobbyist? That's a little
harsh.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo
Use the tax code to enforce.
Roberts basically gave a green light that you can do whatever you want as long as you call it a tax.
Lifetime ban? So if a congressman gets elected at 35, and quits at 39,
he's banned for life from getting a job as a lobbyist? That's a little
harsh.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo
Use the tax code to enforce.
Roberts basically gave a green light that you can do whatever you want as long as you call it a tax.
Posted by: McAdams at April 14, 2015 01:45 PM (FPzo3)
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sock-be-gone, I hope
Posted by: m at April 14, 2015 01:46 PM (WIUGG)
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I am convinced more than ever that problems really started when we started to really abandon common law.
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:38 PM (gmeXX)
Meh, that kind of thing is unsustainable unless the overwhelming majority of society buys into common law. It doesn't work for disjointed America and doesn't work very well for modern Britain either.
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:38 PM (gmeXX)
Meh, that kind of thing is unsustainable unless the overwhelming majority of society buys into common law. It doesn't work for disjointed America and doesn't work very well for modern Britain either.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:46 PM (L2xDv)
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Obviously it's going to be difficult to get current members of Congress to sign off on their multi-million dollar golden parachutes.
Maybe grandfather current members so this is the last Congress that gets these perks?
Better than nothing
Maybe grandfather current members so this is the last Congress that gets these perks?
Better than nothing
Posted by: McAdams at April 14, 2015 01:47 PM (FPzo3)
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I'm locked out of a third of government.
The third that routinely invalidates my votes.
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Are judges elected in your state? Must they be members of the bar to be elected?
The third that routinely invalidates my votes.
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Are judges elected in your state? Must they be members of the bar to be elected?
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:48 PM (gmeXX)
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Ace can ban me or argue with me.
I also hold a public high school degree and I think that that was a waste of time and energy.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:32 PM (L2xDv)
That is not an answer to my question.
I also hold a public high school degree and I think that that was a waste of time and energy.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:32 PM (L2xDv)
That is not an answer to my question.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 14, 2015 01:49 PM (mf5HN)
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You made an absolute statement which I disproved, and now you're moving the goalposts.
Congratulations. You win The Internet.
There are judges who are not backwater justices of the peace who are not lawyers.
I don't see any on the Supreme Court. Or the Federal Courts. So do they really matter at all?This is a dead thread (when people attack me personally, I feel obligated to respond), but I'd be curious if you could name one.
Also, comparing yourself to an American revolutionary? You really are psychologically damaged.
Probably. Doesn't mean I'm not right.
Oh, and go fuck yourself for calling me Kate. Asshole.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:43 PM (2Ojst)
I was quoting The Godfather. You've seen The Godfather, right? Lotta lawyers in The Godfather.
Congratulations. You win The Internet.
There are judges who are not backwater justices of the peace who are not lawyers.
I don't see any on the Supreme Court. Or the Federal Courts. So do they really matter at all?This is a dead thread (when people attack me personally, I feel obligated to respond), but I'd be curious if you could name one.
Also, comparing yourself to an American revolutionary? You really are psychologically damaged.
Probably. Doesn't mean I'm not right.
Oh, and go fuck yourself for calling me Kate. Asshole.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2015 01:43 PM (2Ojst)
I was quoting The Godfather. You've seen The Godfather, right? Lotta lawyers in The Godfather.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:49 PM (L2xDv)
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Meh, that kind of thing is unsustainable unless the overwhelming majority of society buys into common law. It doesn't work for disjointed America and doesn't work very well for modern Britain either.
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Again - which was the cause and which was the effect. Common law has wondrous benefits - and is conservative in its development. We abandoned it in this country - sure it still exists in some respects - but for the most part we have supplanted it with written law.
I do not think we are the better for it.
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Again - which was the cause and which was the effect. Common law has wondrous benefits - and is conservative in its development. We abandoned it in this country - sure it still exists in some respects - but for the most part we have supplanted it with written law.
I do not think we are the better for it.
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:50 PM (gmeXX)
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"Meh, that kind of thing is unsustainable unless the overwhelming
majority of society buys into common law. It doesn't work for disjointed
America and doesn't work very well for modern Britain either."
That's more a comment on what diversity-crazed unfettered immigrant multi-culti policy has wrought than a knock on the common law.
Laws should grow out of our shared social values - "it's not wrong because it's illegal, it's illegal because it's wrong." Top-down "codified" law is a Continental European construct and "works" because aristocratic elites put the boot on the commoners' necks.
Common law is another thing the Anglo democracies used to do better than everyone else. If you want free citizens being governed by consent, don't knock it until you try it.
majority of society buys into common law. It doesn't work for disjointed
America and doesn't work very well for modern Britain either."
That's more a comment on what diversity-crazed unfettered immigrant multi-culti policy has wrought than a knock on the common law.
Laws should grow out of our shared social values - "it's not wrong because it's illegal, it's illegal because it's wrong." Top-down "codified" law is a Continental European construct and "works" because aristocratic elites put the boot on the commoners' necks.
Common law is another thing the Anglo democracies used to do better than everyone else. If you want free citizens being governed by consent, don't knock it until you try it.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 14, 2015 01:50 PM (QKIQb)
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Would it pass Constitutional muster? Love the idea, but I have my doubts. I'd just as much like to see term limits.
Posted by: bkeyser at April 14, 2015 01:51 PM (dG7DS)
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>>>What next? Talk of Pirate Accountants?
The Crimson Permanent Assurance
Up, up, up your premiums....
It's fun to charter an accountant
And sail the wild accountancy
To find, explore, the funds offshore
and scourge the shoals of bankruptcy.
It can be manly in insurance,
we'll up your premium semi-annually.
It's all tax deductible,
we're fairly incorruptible.
We're sailing on the wide accountancy.
Up, up, up your premiums....
The Crimson Permanent Assurance
Up, up, up your premiums....
It's fun to charter an accountant
And sail the wild accountancy
To find, explore, the funds offshore
and scourge the shoals of bankruptcy.
It can be manly in insurance,
we'll up your premium semi-annually.
It's all tax deductible,
we're fairly incorruptible.
We're sailing on the wide accountancy.
Up, up, up your premiums....
Posted by: Citizen Cake at April 14, 2015 01:51 PM (PtTYB)
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Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 14, 2015 01:49 PM (mf5HN)
Look, if he wants an honest discussion, then I'll be honest. Am I an insensitive meany? Probably. But I see the problem and I'm going to say things honestly.
I'm shocked you can't see the problem, being on the inside.
I'm happy for people to shit on academics. Of course, I hate academics more than lawyers, but they aren't over half of the Senate and a quarter of the House, all of the Judiciary and most of the Executive.
Look, if he wants an honest discussion, then I'll be honest. Am I an insensitive meany? Probably. But I see the problem and I'm going to say things honestly.
I'm shocked you can't see the problem, being on the inside.
I'm happy for people to shit on academics. Of course, I hate academics more than lawyers, but they aren't over half of the Senate and a quarter of the House, all of the Judiciary and most of the Executive.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 01:52 PM (L2xDv)
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I would think someone who is so anti-lawyer would actually be in favor of returning to the common law. That kind of surprises me.
Regarding being locked out of the judiciary - that strikes me a as a political problem and not a constitutional one.
Regarding being locked out of the judiciary - that strikes me a as a political problem and not a constitutional one.
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:53 PM (gmeXX)
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Oh, don't ban lobbyists. Just make it that all meetings that they have with lawmakers or their staff have to be broadcast real time over the internet. No 1st amendment issues then.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at April 14, 2015 01:55 PM (IdjOy)
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but they aren't over half of the Senate and a quarter of the House, all of the Judiciary and most of the Executive
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There is no doubt that I think our country would benefit if there was a more diversity of professions within our government. But writing law has become the primary function of - not only the legislative branch - but also the executive. Limit the numbers of laws being written and I think you limit the number of lawyers in both those branches.
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There is no doubt that I think our country would benefit if there was a more diversity of professions within our government. But writing law has become the primary function of - not only the legislative branch - but also the executive. Limit the numbers of laws being written and I think you limit the number of lawyers in both those branches.
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:55 PM (gmeXX)
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If you want "money out of politics" you have to attack the problem supply side or demand side. Supply side has failed miserably (to the tune of 2.5 billion for the fat lady in the walker). We have laws against politicians taking bribes already. If they aren't unconstitutional (and yes, you could argue they are under the First Amendment using the same "can't ban lobbying" logic) then why not ban lobbying?
As with judges, we can expect public officials to give up certain freedoms in return for the perks of holding the reins of power. Lobbying gives an appearance of impropriety. Just as military men and women give up some rights in order to serve, why not Congresscritters, of whom much less is asked?
As with judges, we can expect public officials to give up certain freedoms in return for the perks of holding the reins of power. Lobbying gives an appearance of impropriety. Just as military men and women give up some rights in order to serve, why not Congresscritters, of whom much less is asked?
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 14, 2015 01:56 PM (QKIQb)
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"That sure sounds like a prescription for some fucked up laws"
Having lawyers writing all the legislation about things they have no practical experience with and can't/won't/don't understand--public schools, the practice of medicine, warplanes, hair-braiding, we could go on all day--doesn't work as well as you want it to.
Having lawyers writing all the legislation about things they have no practical experience with and can't/won't/don't understand--public schools, the practice of medicine, warplanes, hair-braiding, we could go on all day--doesn't work as well as you want it to.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 14, 2015 01:57 PM (/kI1Q)
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"There are judges who are not backwater justices of the peace who are not lawyers....
... I'd be curious if you
could name one.
Earl Warren, Chief Justice SCOTUS
... I'd be curious if you
could name one.
Earl Warren, Chief Justice SCOTUS
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 14, 2015 01:58 PM (QKIQb)
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For those who are concerned about where we draw the line between being a concerned citizen ex-legislator calling his old chums to voice his opinion and the Clinton Foundation, it's in the eye of the beholder, and the "concerned citizen legislator" toes that line at his own risk. Appearance of impropriety once again. If you don't want the burdensome restrictions on your free exercise, don't run for the office. We need to disincentivize "public service" enough to make the term mean something again. Politics should be something someone does like charity - giving back and paying forward - not as a lifelong career path to success in and of itself.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 14, 2015 02:03 PM (QKIQb)
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... I'd be curious if you
could name one.
Earl Warren, Chief Justice SCOTUS
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 14, 2015 01:58 PM (QKIQb)
He's dead.
Hell, the sainted Calvin Coolidge was a lawyer. But he never went to law school.
Things are very different today. In fact, you could argue that Warren truly brought forth the era of judge-legislator and I would argue most of the problems we have today.
could name one.
Earl Warren, Chief Justice SCOTUS
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 14, 2015 01:58 PM (QKIQb)
He's dead.
Hell, the sainted Calvin Coolidge was a lawyer. But he never went to law school.
Things are very different today. In fact, you could argue that Warren truly brought forth the era of judge-legislator and I would argue most of the problems we have today.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 02:06 PM (L2xDv)
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I would think someone who is so anti-lawyer would actually be in favor of returning to the common law. That kind of surprises me.
We still have judges. Half of them would simply ignore common law for social justice. Or they would say that common law is what they say it is.
All of the problems we have with the judiciary are made exponentially worse by reverting to common law.
We still have judges. Half of them would simply ignore common law for social justice. Or they would say that common law is what they say it is.
All of the problems we have with the judiciary are made exponentially worse by reverting to common law.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 02:07 PM (L2xDv)
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AmishDude:
"Of course, I hate academics more than lawyers,"
Of course!
But like the libs all told me to do after 9/11, I'm asking myself why you hate me.
"Of course, I hate academics more than lawyers,"
Of course!
But like the libs all told me to do after 9/11, I'm asking myself why you hate me.
Posted by: JPS at April 14, 2015 02:09 PM (ZmXpf)
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245 Earl Warren, Chief Justice SCOTUS
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 14, 2015 01:58 PM (QKIQb)
Bad example. He had a JD from Berkly in 1914. Also, one of the worst justices to ever sit on the bench.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 14, 2015 01:58 PM (QKIQb)
Bad example. He had a JD from Berkly in 1914. Also, one of the worst justices to ever sit on the bench.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 14, 2015 02:12 PM (wlDny)
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Limit the numbers of laws being written and I think you limit the number of lawyers in both those branches.
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:55 PM (gmeXX)
The number of laws aren't the problem per se. You can write a thousand little things into just one law. I don't mind lawyers working with legislators to write laws, but I have to imagine that lawyer-legislators write laws for their own benefit and nonlawyer-legislators are forced to acquiesce to the expertise of their colleagues.
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 01:55 PM (gmeXX)
The number of laws aren't the problem per se. You can write a thousand little things into just one law. I don't mind lawyers working with legislators to write laws, but I have to imagine that lawyer-legislators write laws for their own benefit and nonlawyer-legislators are forced to acquiesce to the expertise of their colleagues.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 02:13 PM (L2xDv)
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"Things are very different today."
Sad but true - that's my earlier point about law licensing being more a matter of credentialism, social sorting and guild socialism. Warren was a shitberger jurist but it had little to do with his lack of sheepskin - his bleeding heart was the problem. Blackmun had a degree and produced the steaming pile that was Roe under Rehnquist. I've been disappointed for decades at how many stupid people have earned JDs, FWIW. Probably fewer dumb JD's than the overall population average, but it's a surprisingly ineffective filter for Teh Stupid.
Sad but true - that's my earlier point about law licensing being more a matter of credentialism, social sorting and guild socialism. Warren was a shitberger jurist but it had little to do with his lack of sheepskin - his bleeding heart was the problem. Blackmun had a degree and produced the steaming pile that was Roe under Rehnquist. I've been disappointed for decades at how many stupid people have earned JDs, FWIW. Probably fewer dumb JD's than the overall population average, but it's a surprisingly ineffective filter for Teh Stupid.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 14, 2015 02:14 PM (QKIQb)
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Bad example. He had a JD from Berkly in 1914. Also, one of the worst justices to ever sit on the bench.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 14, 2015 02:12 PM (wlDny)
Ah, shoot, I should've looked him up.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 14, 2015 02:12 PM (wlDny)
Ah, shoot, I should've looked him up.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 02:15 PM (L2xDv)
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This is just... you cannot eliminate lobbying, no matter what laws you pass. Its like campaign finance reform, you can't stop it.
Look, as ugly and often corrupt as it is, lobbying is just hiring or asking someone to be your voice to congress. Its not some evil thing by its very nature, any more than hiring a lawyer or a publicist. Paying someone very skilled at persuasion and gladhanding to do it for you is perfectly reasonable and legal.
The reason it becomes a problem is twofold:
1) the government is too powerful and rich; lobbyists were not a significant issue in the early 1800s.
2) our culture is at large without virtue or honor, so we elect representatives who are the same way.
No law on lobbyists will change those two absolute facts.
Look, as ugly and often corrupt as it is, lobbying is just hiring or asking someone to be your voice to congress. Its not some evil thing by its very nature, any more than hiring a lawyer or a publicist. Paying someone very skilled at persuasion and gladhanding to do it for you is perfectly reasonable and legal.
The reason it becomes a problem is twofold:
1) the government is too powerful and rich; lobbyists were not a significant issue in the early 1800s.
2) our culture is at large without virtue or honor, so we elect representatives who are the same way.
No law on lobbyists will change those two absolute facts.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 14, 2015 02:19 PM (39g3+)
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"He had a JD from Berkly in 1914"
Didn't even think he had a JD, much less a bench seat. Like I said above, clearly a cluster as a judge, but we'd have had much the same if Douglas or Black or most of the other justices of that era were in his seat. He had lots of help on the wrecking crew.
Didn't even think he had a JD, much less a bench seat. Like I said above, clearly a cluster as a judge, but we'd have had much the same if Douglas or Black or most of the other justices of that era were in his seat. He had lots of help on the wrecking crew.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 14, 2015 02:20 PM (QKIQb)
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Christopher, it should be noted that lobbying by former Congressmen, former staffers or relatives is a unique problem. It's a revolving door of influence. How many of these politicians get no-show jobs just based on their prior job?
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 02:21 PM (L2xDv)
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The number of laws aren't the problem per se. You can write a thousand little things into just one law. I don't mind lawyers working with legislators to write laws, but I have to imagine that lawyer-legislators write laws for their own benefit and nonlawyer-legislators are forced to acquiesce to the expertise of their colleagues.
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But they are. We are seeing the problem with too many laws. No one knows the "law" any more - I prefer to call them decrees. The common law used to grow organically and built on the wisdom of society (non lawyers could and did understand it) - now we have a legislature write our laws - without much wisdom. Sure they have that power - but that doesn't make it right.
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But they are. We are seeing the problem with too many laws. No one knows the "law" any more - I prefer to call them decrees. The common law used to grow organically and built on the wisdom of society (non lawyers could and did understand it) - now we have a legislature write our laws - without much wisdom. Sure they have that power - but that doesn't make it right.
Posted by: SH at April 14, 2015 02:22 PM (gmeXX)
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"No law on lobbyists will change those two absolute facts."
I'll go to the "why bother locking up your house when some skilled burglars can still get inside" argument on that one. Raising the bar is a good idea (or razing the Bar depending on which commenter's opining). There's a compelling interest in keeping legislators beholden to their constituent voters rather than special interests and it's the least intrusive means of doing so (compared with supply side campaign finance regulation). Smaller number of folks to police, etc..
I'll go to the "why bother locking up your house when some skilled burglars can still get inside" argument on that one. Raising the bar is a good idea (or razing the Bar depending on which commenter's opining). There's a compelling interest in keeping legislators beholden to their constituent voters rather than special interests and it's the least intrusive means of doing so (compared with supply side campaign finance regulation). Smaller number of folks to police, etc..
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 14, 2015 02:23 PM (QKIQb)
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I went and looked it up because I remembered seeing an article a few years ago when they were discussing nominating a non-lawyer that no non-lawyer had ever been appointed to the SC.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 14, 2015 02:24 PM (wlDny)
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According to The Internet, the last SCOTUS justice without a law degree was appointed in 1941 and left the bench (doesn't say how) in 1942.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 02:28 PM (L2xDv)
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Raising the bar is a good idea (or razing the Bar depending on which commenter's opining).
I like that. I may steal it, but not today.
I like that. I may steal it, but not today.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 14, 2015 02:29 PM (L2xDv)
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"no non-lawyer had ever been appointed to the SC"
I screwed the pooch on that one re: non-judges rather than non-lawyers, and that's a line that's been crossed more than once (Kagan for instance)
I screwed the pooch on that one re: non-judges rather than non-lawyers, and that's a line that's been crossed more than once (Kagan for instance)
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at April 14, 2015 02:35 PM (QKIQb)
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Oh dear, another Iowan fly-over hick embarrassing the Republican Party
Posted by: Liz Mair at April 14, 2015 02:35 PM (kRSSb)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 14, 2015 02:40 PM (u8GsB)
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What a crock of shit. Lobbyists are not the problem. Lobbyists are simply the market responding to a need. The actual problem is that Washington has given itself so much power over our everyday lives and business that the most cost effective way to gain an advantage over your business rivals or to ensure that you rights are not disposed of completely is to buy influence. Lobbyists are not a sign of businesses trying to corrupt the government, they are a sign of how far the politicians have distorted and corrupted the market. Curing the symptom and leaving the disease in place is a feel good measure that allows the government to continue transitioning from those who govern to those who rule. Meanwhile the sheep can console themselves that "somebody gets it". Bull shit.
Posted by: Donavon Pfeiffer Jr. at April 14, 2015 03:37 PM (slwLs)
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Not only do you have to stop congressmen and senators from becoming lobbyists, but you have to stop their staff.
the staff write the bills, and they are the ones that later get hired by firms to deal with the laws written by these vary same staff.
the staff write the bills, and they are the ones that later get hired by firms to deal with the laws written by these vary same staff.
Posted by: mark at April 14, 2015 05:13 PM (rmMmg)
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"Lobbying has grown in direct proportion to government spending,..."
No, government spending has grown in direct proportion to Lobbying.
No, government spending has grown in direct proportion to Lobbying.
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