Rand Paul's Announcement

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I thought his speech was mostly yahooism ("Not one [silver] dime" for countries where any citizens said "Death to America;" I will repeal any law that disproportionately punishes people of color, which means the laws of murder, burglary, robbery and others must be repealed), but I did like the idea he played with about work not being punishment, but work being a reward.

The Democrats really push this idea of work being a punishment -- Nancy Pelosi, for example, talks up how people are "liberated" by Obamacare to quit their jobs and pursue their hobbies full time -- and it's useful to go back to the start of the Republican Party, to hear Lincoln speak of the almost holy nature of Labor.

One of Lincoln's frequent arguments was that Slavery was wrong for the spirit of the slave-master as well as the slave because it taught the false lesson that Labor was something to be compelled, so horrible it was, by the threat of the whip.

When in fact, Lincoln frequently urged, Labor was among the greatest callings of man.

I don't think Paul quite got as much on the ball as he could have, and got a single when he could have had extra bases or a home run, but it's good to hear someone sounding this theme.

I have had questions with Republicans' formulations on Labor for a while. Rick Santorum would frequently argue that the key to economic advancement was moral strength.

I always wonder about that. I realize that Rick Santorum, believing as he does, must always say that all virtues flow from God.

But I can't help thinking that it is being overlooked that this relationship between Morality and Industry might be precisely reversed in the standard socon telling.

Is it not equally plausible that Industry -- Labor; working; making an effort which then bears visible fruit; learning the lessons of delayed gratification, and so on -- in fact is a Teacher of Morality?

I know one thing for certain: Those who work for their money get very Righteously Angry at thieves, and the legalized thieves of the Democrat Gimme Your Stuff coalition.

Is it not plausible that Labor is in fact a tangible, hands-on teacher of Moral principle?

Just as Idleness breeds immorality?

Idle hands, they say, are the Devil's playthings; is it not plausible that industrious hands teach "God's laws" but in a vocational, rather than a philosophical, manner?

Posted by: Ace at 12:38 PM




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Posted by: JohannDolph@AskQuality at April 07, 2015 12:39 PM (g1MTt)

2 whatevs. don't trust him

Posted by: JohannDolph@AskQuality at April 07, 2015 12:39 PM (g1MTt)

3 He has unpresidential hair.

Posted by: NCKate at April 07, 2015 12:41 PM (YurY+)

4 So you're saying there's a chance.

Posted by: Luap/Luap 2016 at April 07, 2015 12:41 PM (YSO42)

5 Haven't We already beat this one to death?

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 07, 2015 12:41 PM (Bn6aD)

6
MMmmmmmm....... fresh content.


*sniffs deeply*

ack pfffft

Posted by: fixerupper at April 07, 2015 12:43 PM (NaV4z)

7 Grimes/Peletier 2016

Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2015 12:43 PM (2Ojst)

8 Send him on the kollidge circuit. He seems to do well with the yoots.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 07, 2015 12:43 PM (0HooB)

9 I'm not sure why he is throwing his hat into the ring, he certainly isn't going anywhere. Even the moonbats who are devoted to his father aren't all that hot on him.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 07, 2015 12:43 PM (/i3Yt)

10 8 Send him on the kollidge circuit. He seems to do well with the stoner yoots.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 07, 2015 12:43 PM (0HooB)

Fixed for accuracy.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2015 12:43 PM (2Ojst)

11 Silver Dimes.

And you people thought you wouldn't have Pon Raul to kick around anymore...


Posted by: Pand Raul at April 07, 2015 12:44 PM (TOk1P)

12 My good friend Rand will make an excellent president.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at April 07, 2015 12:44 PM (9BRsg)

13 MMmmmmmm....... fresh content.
*sniffs deeply*
ack pfffft



It's Bill the cat!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2015 12:44 PM (GHhDX)

14 I'm trying to figure out why it's still so hard to trust this guy, and at least part of it is that it's hard to separate him from his crackpot father.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 07, 2015 12:45 PM (oVJmc)

15 He has my vote!

Posted by: Aqua Budha at April 07, 2015 12:45 PM (2NzxC)

16 The left is going to subtly throw their support behind this guy like nobody's business.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 07, 2015 12:45 PM (BZAd3)

17 Tell me when a candidate suggests excession - forcing certain counties out of the Union - and I'll clap.

Until then, I am just going to assume they want me dead, penniless, or in prison for being bumptious.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 07, 2015 12:45 PM (S8V5R)

18 13 It's Bill the cat!

Hide your cocaine. And don't let him drive....

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at April 07, 2015 12:45 PM (h4UbF)

19 He has my support. We former ophthalmologists need to stick together.

Posted by: Bashar al-Assad at April 07, 2015 12:46 PM (2Ojst)

20 3 He has unpresidential hair.

Actually not a trivial point.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at April 07, 2015 12:46 PM (SCcgT)

21 What's this? A Paul is running?

I just got hard.

Posted by: Granny Mrs. Benghazi at April 07, 2015 12:46 PM (TOk1P)

22 It's Bill the cat!
Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2015 12:44 PM (GHhDX)

----


..... actually... thats exactly who I had in my minds eye....

Posted by: fixerupper at April 07, 2015 12:46 PM (NaV4z)

23 ..... actually... thats exactly who I had in my minds eye....



GMTA.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2015 12:47 PM (GHhDX)

24 22 It's Bill the cat!
Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2015 12:44 PM (GHhDX)

----


..... actually... thats exactly who I had in my minds eye....
Posted by: fixerupper at April 07, 2015 12:46 PM (NaV4z)

He's been a Jewish pro-life gun nut...he's been a woman named Frieda...

Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2015 12:47 PM (2Ojst)

25 You know what excites me about this announcement? It's going to lead to even more discussions of legalizing weed.


Because we obviously haven't had enough of those talks and it's definitely the most important issue facing our former republic today.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 07, 2015 12:48 PM (xSCb6)

26 This Pand Raul fellow is nice enough, but I'm really waiting to see what Lamar Alexander is going to do before I make up my mind.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 07, 2015 12:48 PM (TOk1P)

27 I'm liking this speech, like it a lot.

Do I trust him? Compared to the JEF? 100000 times more.

Also King Barky the Liar of Fecal Touch is going to Cat 5 Stopy fit.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at April 07, 2015 12:48 PM (WGm5T)

28 Any of the Repub candidates will be made out to be cross burning racists, but it will be easiest with Rand. Ron Paul+StormFront= Rand Paul

Posted by: JROD at April 07, 2015 12:49 PM (wnwJC)

29

Can't quite think of goof lyrics to "Silver Bells" for "Silver Dimes."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 07, 2015 12:49 PM (St6BJ)

30 Because we obviously haven't had enough of those talks and it's
definitely the most important issue facing our former republic today.


Now that the Gay Cake Wars have subsided, I agree.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 07, 2015 12:49 PM (oVJmc)

31 14 I'm trying to figure out why it's still so hard to trust this guy, and at least part of it is that it's hard to separate him from his crackpot father.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 07, 2015 12:45 PM (oVJmc)



This.


I half expect him to show up for a press conference with a parrot on his shoulder.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 07, 2015 12:49 PM (oKE6c)

32 I bet you can get a contact high from watching the video.

Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2015 12:49 PM (kGsA2)

33 What makes you think there will be an election in 2016?

Posted by: Iranian nuke in two months! at April 07, 2015 12:50 PM (OsWis)

34 I don't like Rand, but at least he wouldn't make me stay home on election day like Jeb would. Fuck Jeb.

Posted by: maddog at April 07, 2015 12:50 PM (xWW96)

35
His name was PAT PAULSON! His name was PAT PAULSON! His name was PAT PAULSON! . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 07, 2015 12:50 PM (St6BJ)

36 Doesn't Lyndon LaRouche have a kid that wants the job?

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 07, 2015 12:50 PM (oVJmc)

37 Isn't he Jewish?

Posted by: Missouri's John Hancock at April 07, 2015 12:50 PM (TOk1P)

38 He brings in the potheads, but loses three current GOP voters for every one he brings in.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 07, 2015 12:51 PM (/i3Yt)

Posted by: Methos at April 07, 2015 12:51 PM (ZbV+0)

40


Heh,,,, I got this...


Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 07, 2015 12:51 PM (HSmrB)

41 As the various GrOPers declare their candidacy, I'm getting the same feeling I have when watching the Browns on draft day.

And that ain't the "smell of success" wafting in from the TV screen.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at April 07, 2015 12:51 PM (h4UbF)

42 "What makes you think there will be an election in 2016?

Posted by: Iranian nuke in two months!"
Feature not bug!

Posted by: King Barky the Liar at April 07, 2015 12:51 PM (WGm5T)

43 Can't quite think of goof lyrics to "Silver Bells" for "Silver Dimes."



Look to Silver Threads and Golden Needles for inspiration.


"Silver Dimes and Golden Eagles....."

Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2015 12:51 PM (GHhDX)

44 You wingnuts could nominate Rand Paul but you would be passing up a historic opportunity to nominate America's First Hispanic-Latino Presidente.

Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at April 07, 2015 12:51 PM (8ZskC)

45
Where's Harold Stassen?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 07, 2015 12:51 PM (St6BJ)

46 Give this man a chance. He gave me one and stuck by my side

Posted by: Southern Avenger at April 07, 2015 12:52 PM (SyKbw)

47 Ay yay yay yay yay yay! Arrriba!

Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at April 07, 2015 12:52 PM (8ZskC)

48 When you're at work and not paying attention, Rand Paul sheds his human skin and breathes dryer lint.

Posted by: Dr. Stupid at April 07, 2015 12:52 PM (mwZiJ)

49 What makes you think there will be an election in 2016?

Posted by: Iranian nuke in two months! at April 07, 2015 12:50 PM (OsWis)

You can't have bread and circuses without the circus

Posted by: Methos at April 07, 2015 12:52 PM (ZbV+0)

50 Endorsed Mitch McConnell.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 07, 2015 12:52 PM (oVJmc)

51 I can see the media concurrently attacking Paul for his positions, while yelling that investigations of Clinton for provable offenses while Sec State are purely political.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 07, 2015 12:53 PM (/i3Yt)

52 48 When you're at work and not paying attention, Rand Paul sheds his human skin and breathes dryer lint.
Posted by: Dr. Stupid at April 07, 2015 12:52 PM (mwZiJ)


Is that from the navel of Fred or Moosie?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 07, 2015 12:53 PM (St6BJ)

53 You want Ted Cruz.

You'll take Rand Paul.

You'll get Jeb Bush.

Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2015 12:53 PM (kGsA2)

54 You want Ted Cruz.



You'll take Rand Paul.



You'll get Jeb Bush.

Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2015 12:53 PM (kGsA2)


Yep, that's basically it.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 07, 2015 12:54 PM (TOk1P)

55 Ay yay yay yay yay yay! Arrriba!
Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at April 07, 2015 12:52 PM (8ZskC)

----

...... vamanos..... el wannabe lation, gringo

Posted by: fixerupper at April 07, 2015 12:54 PM (NaV4z)

56 As the various GrOPers declare their candidacy, I'm getting the same feeling I have when watching the Browns on draft day.


And just what the fuck is THAT suppoed to mean?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 07, 2015 12:54 PM (xSCb6)

57 51 Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 07, 2015 12:53 PM (/i3Yt)


That's their job, no?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 07, 2015 12:54 PM (St6BJ)

58 What makes you think there will be an election in 2016? Posted by: Iranian nuke in two months! at April 07, 2015 12:50 PM (OsWis)

I am envisioning a scene like something out of Game of Thrones where Boehner takes a petition to vacate the presidency to Obama, hunkered down at the desk in the Oval Office. Orange and Turtles brings him a petition to leave, hand it to Michelle, and she just tears it up...

Posted by: LizLem at April 07, 2015 12:55 PM (yRwC8)

59 1. Flat tax
2.Lower/eliminate repatriation tax
3. No nation building but nation destroying when needed.
4. No spying on Americans.
5. Spend what we get in.
6. School vouchers.
7. Getting government out of our lives.
8. Taking foreign aide away from countries that hate us.

I agree with all that.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at April 07, 2015 12:55 PM (WGm5T)

60 shit, hit enter and failed with my almost Johnny Football sock

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 07, 2015 12:55 PM (xSCb6)

61 You want Ted Cruz.

You'll take Rand Paul.

You'll get Jeb Bush.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2015 12:53 PM (kGsA2)


----

.... and call Hillary Madame President.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 07, 2015 12:55 PM (NaV4z)

62 Interesting branding position going with just "Rand" as a logo to distinguish from his father.

Posted by: Jonathan Ellis at April 07, 2015 12:55 PM (9wPDi)

63 You want Ted Cruz.

You'll take Rand Paul.

You'll get Jeb Bush.

--

You mean as nominee? Because there is no way Bush can get elected. More people are telling pollsters they will stay home than will vote for him.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 07, 2015 12:55 PM (/i3Yt)

64 As the various GrOPers declare their candidacy, I'm getting the same feeling I have when watching the Browns on draft day.


And just what the fuck is THAT suppoed to mean?


Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 07, 2015 12:54 PM (xSCb6)


I think what it means is Raiders fans laugh when the Browns make a pick.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 07, 2015 12:55 PM (TOk1P)

65 I dont care. I'm so sick of politics.

Posted by: Bruce J. at April 07, 2015 12:55 PM (iQIUe)

66 As the various GrOPers declare their candidacy, I'm getting the same feeling I have when watching the Browns Cubs on draft opening day.



It's over.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2015 12:56 PM (GHhDX)

67 You want Ted Cruz.



You'll take Rand Paul.



You'll get Jeb Bush Hillary

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at April 07, 2015 12:56 PM (WGm5T)

68 This Pand Raul fellow is nice enough, but I'm really waiting to see what Lamar Alexander is going to do before I make up my mind.
Posted by: BurtTC


Lamar!

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 07, 2015 12:56 PM (l3vZN)

69 65,

Ditto.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at April 07, 2015 12:56 PM (OsWis)

70
Just saw on Breitbart that Teh Ted is at the press conference and quote "I welcome Rand Paul to the race."

Class act, as always. And you could do a shit ton worse than a Cruz/Rand or Rand/Cruz ticket but probably not much better.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 07, 2015 12:57 PM (St6BJ)

71 "You want Ted Cruz."

Let me stop you there.

Posted by: Shoot Me at April 07, 2015 12:57 PM (EQcfE)

72 For a distraction Politico has up excerpts from a book about the staff in the White House. The Lewinsky Era is documented.

For three or four months in 1998, the president slept on a sofa in a private study attached to their bedroom on the second floor. Most of the women on the residence staff thought he got what he deserved.
http://tinyurl.com/mnon5uf

Now back to watching Casablanca.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 07, 2015 12:57 PM (Fx+0y)

73 Hillary Bush 2016

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 07, 2015 12:57 PM (xSCb6)

74 i'm already over paul.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 07, 2015 12:57 PM (u8GsB)

75 shit, hit enter and failed with my almost Johnny Football sock


Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 07, 2015 12:55 PM (xSCb6)


They inventory and confiscate all the socks in here.

Posted by: In Rehab at April 07, 2015 12:57 PM (TOk1P)

76 Hillary Bush 2016


Posted by: Burn the Witch


Thank you so much for permanently blinding my mind's eye with that.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 07, 2015 12:57 PM (/Ho8c)

77 Thank you so much for permanently blinding my mind's eye with that.


Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 07, 2015 12:57 PM (/Ho8c)

rand can heal that for you

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 07, 2015 12:58 PM (u8GsB)

78 This Pand Raul fellow is nice enough, but I'm really waiting to see what Lamar Alexander is going to do before I make up my mind.
Posted by: BurtTC "

Huntsman in 16!!

Posted by: anon a mouse at April 07, 2015 12:58 PM (KnbYp)

79 any truth to the rumor that he will make his dad Fed Chairman?

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 07, 2015 12:59 PM (pZtrP)

80 I think we should push to put 'none of the above' on the ballot. It would win in a landslide.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 07, 2015 12:59 PM (/i3Yt)

81 Fiscal moderation, assertive foreign policy and flannel shirts FTW, bitchez!

Posted by: Lamar Alexander at April 07, 2015 12:59 PM (8ZskC)

82 Uh oh. He said "take our country back". Isn't that supposed to be racist or something?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 07, 2015 01:00 PM (W5DcG)

83 This Pand Raul fellow is nice enough, but I'm really
waiting to see what Lamar Alexander is going to do before I make up my
mind.

Posted by: BurtTC "



Huntsman in 16!!

Posted by: anon a mouse at April 07, 2015 12:58 PM (KnbYp)


I really do hope The Huntsman runs. He and his pron star daughters.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 07, 2015 01:00 PM (TOk1P)

84 Hillary Bush 2016

So we're looking to replace Reggie with Huma?

Hmm

Posted by: anon a mouse at April 07, 2015 01:00 PM (KnbYp)

85 Uh oh. He said "take our country back". Isn't that supposed to be racist or something?

He means back for a refund.

Posted by: Lamar Alexander at April 07, 2015 01:01 PM (8ZskC)

86 Rand may not have a snowballs chance, but I look forward to enlivened debates and raising the bar for quaking RINOs.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at April 07, 2015 01:01 PM (fWqNF)

87 Wonder what we're going to do if this current group in control of both houses is not put to pasture if we actually get a Conservative president?

Posted by: JROD at April 07, 2015 01:01 PM (wnwJC)

88 ***"any truth to the rumor that he will make his dad Fed Chairman?"***


I might actually vote for him if that had a snowball's chance. Enemy of my Enemy and all that.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 07, 2015 01:01 PM (xSCb6)

89 Morons and Moronettes. The candidates are coming out from under the sink and from behind the fridge. This can mean only one thing: It is time for all of you to head down to the Outrage Outlet and stock up! You must have plenty of rumors, indignations, misinformations, wild accusations, tragi-comic last stands, bitter tears and resigned disgust on hand if you are to make it through this next cycle.

It will not be easy but I expect each of you to trade in back-stabbings, calumny, and denunciations so that the bedraggled, bleeding survivor of the nomination process can limp up to the starting gate along side the other nominee and collapse in a heap of blood and pain when the starting gun is sounded.

Can We Count On Your Support?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Grievances Are Privileges at the Outrage Outlet! at April 07, 2015 01:01 PM (hLRSq)

90 Hillary Bush 2016

So we're looking to replace Reggie with Huma?



Cankles Topiary 2016

Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2015 01:01 PM (GHhDX)

91 Hey, don't forget about the Peace Blimp, bitches!

Posted by: GuyfromNH at April 07, 2015 01:02 PM (scUt2)

92 Fiscal moderation, assertive foreign policy and flannel shirts FTW, bitchez!

Posted by: Lamar Alexander at April 07, 2015 12:59 PM (8ZskC)

I'm on board with the flannel shirts!

Posted by: Sally Kohn at April 07, 2015 01:02 PM (oVJmc)

93 Rand Paul is a rare candidate that shows a dedication to grounded philosophical positions instead of just pragmatic ones, so I like him for that.

Posted by: Jonathan Ellis at April 07, 2015 01:02 PM (9wPDi)

94 One of the problems with a 'libertarian' candidate is that 'libertarian' covers a lot of ground, and some of it is nuttier than squirrel shit.

Posted by: Sally Kohn at April 07, 2015 01:03 PM (oVJmc)

95 Mmmm. Daughters...

/channeling inner Billy

Posted by: anon a mouse at April 07, 2015 01:03 PM (KnbYp)

96 I don't think he will get any traction, but if he brings some libertarians back into the fold, it will be a net positive. Maybe he can push out some GOPe'rs at the same time for added benefit.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 07, 2015 01:04 PM (/i3Yt)

97 Criminal reform, especially as crime continues to drop, will become more and more commonplace to talk about.

He's just ahead of the curve and being populist about it.

Eventually we'll stop jailing people for growing marijuana in their house. Or shooting their dogs at least.

Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at April 07, 2015 01:04 PM (FA3Z7)

98 Isn't that supposed to be racist or something?



Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.


I think it's not only racist but a marker of being a man-caused-disaster-maker. Or so the SPLC ( probably the DOJ) says.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 07, 2015 01:04 PM (/Ho8c)

99 'libertarian' covers a lot of ground, and some of it is nuttier than squirrel shit.
Posted by: Sally Kohn at April 07, 2015 01:03 PM (oVJmc)

__________

Ha. Never heard that expression before. Good one.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 07, 2015 01:04 PM (0LHZx)

100 Lyle Lovett will play Rand Paul in the miniseries.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 07, 2015 01:05 PM (/i3Yt)

101 If it's not Paul, Cruz, or Walker on the ticket come November 2016, the only place I will be going is the liquor store.

Posted by: Cashin at April 07, 2015 01:05 PM (ANCC/)

102

I'm on board with the flannel shirts!


Posted by: Sally Kohn at April 07, 2015 01:02 PM (oVJmc)


----------------------------------------

Sally Kohn in flannel? Yeah,, I'd hit it...



Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 07, 2015 01:05 PM (HSmrB)

103 Could they have picked a photo with more of a Nazi salute vibe for that tweetering?

Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 07, 2015 01:05 PM (/Ho8c)

104 Whoever your preferred candidate is, he is not Pure enough. We Pure Conservatives will crush him!

Posted by: Chris M at April 07, 2015 01:05 PM (k3w9p)

105 and some of it is nuttier than squirrel shit.

Posted by: Sally Kohn

Oh, is that the high priced coffee?

Posted by: anon a mouse at April 07, 2015 01:05 PM (KnbYp)

106 Can't quite think of goof lyrics to "Silver Bells" for "Silver Dimes."


I can't find anything to rhyme with "chemtrails" either.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 07, 2015 01:06 PM (0HooB)

107
Deviltry!

Isolationism!

Free Silver!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at April 07, 2015 01:06 PM (95CzI)

108 maybe he could appoint his father as SecState...

now *that* could be entertaining.

%-)

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 07, 2015 01:06 PM (pZtrP)

109 Suggestion for Senator Paul:

Go accomplish something in national office before presuming without justification that you're qualified to be President.

Posted by: MikeD at April 07, 2015 01:06 PM (uKJIC)

110 Fiscal moderation, assertive foreign policy and flannel shirts FTW, bitchez!



Posted by: Lamar Alexander


Don't blame me. We tried to primary him out.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 07, 2015 01:06 PM (/Ho8c)

111 If it's not Paul, Cruz, or Walker on the ticket come November 2016, the only place I will be going is the liquorammo store.

-

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 07, 2015 01:07 PM (/i3Yt)

112 Morons and Moronettes. The candidates are coming
out from under the sink and from behind the fridge. This can mean only
one thing: It is time for all of you to head down to the Outrage Outlet
and stock up! You must have plenty of rumors, indignations,
misinformations, wild accusations, tragi-comic last stands, bitter tears
and resigned disgust on hand if you are to make it through this next
cycle.



It will not be easy but I expect each of you to trade in
back-stabbings, calumny, and denunciations so that the bedraggled,
bleeding survivor of the nomination process can limp up to the starting
gate along side the other nominee and collapse in a heap of blood and
pain when the starting gun is sounded.



Can We Count On Your Support?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Grievances Are Privileges at the Outrage Outlet! at April 07, 2015 01:01 PM (hLRSq)


Here's the thing though, there are so many issues, and I don't know how to sort them all out.

I mean, do I express outrage over his immigration stance, or lament a lack of commitment to reforming Social Security? What about building a smarter, leaner military? Should I be for or against that?

I simply don't know. One thing I do know though, none of that will matter. The Dems in the media will select the issue for us. No, it won't be tardisil, or rape fairies or whore birth control or even gay cakes or the 47%. They won't tell us ahead of time, but we know it will be the single most important issue of the day.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 07, 2015 01:07 PM (TOk1P)

113 I'm on board with the flannel shirts!

Posted by: Sally Kohn

Same here! Whoo Hooo!

Posted by: Amanda Bearse at April 07, 2015 01:07 PM (KnbYp)

114 Posted by: Chris M at April 07, 2015 01:05 PM (k3w9p)


Looks like you've earned "STFU jackass" on a thread before MooMoo.


Well done.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 07, 2015 01:07 PM (xSCb6)

115 Comparing Rand to Lincoln is dirty pool in some circles. (Therefore, I salute you!) LOL

Posted by: Y-not at April 07, 2015 01:07 PM (9BRsg)

116 I can't find anything to rhyme with "chemtrails" either.

Dem fails?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 07, 2015 01:08 PM (4WhSY)

117 Lovin' the Nazi salute in that picture. I'm reminded of that photo <i>Time</i> (or whoever) ran of McCain back in 2008 -- they couldn't have photoshopped a better caricature.

Looks like we get to discuss Paul and the Paultards from now until Hillary's coronation. Super.

Posted by: Severian at April 07, 2015 01:08 PM (8dzZc)

118 And just what the fuck is THAT suppoed to mean?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 07, 2015 12:54 PM (xSCb6)

Superficial optimism as the team you would prefer to root for again picks poorly, wrongly believing exaggerated claims about the athlete's past performance and potential, telling their fans that he is the face and future of the franchise. After the draft, the pick performs as expected by everyone (except the team) and you are once again left with an ineffective, dysfunctional team that habitually finds ways to subvert the possibility of success.

Does that sound more like the Republicans or the Browns?

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at April 07, 2015 01:08 PM (TR90z)

119 Silver dimes, silver dimes
It's primary time in the country.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at April 07, 2015 01:08 PM (fWqNF)

120 When in fact, Lincoln frequently urged, Labor was among the greatest callings of man.

I still think you should knock off for the day.

Posted by: guy angling for favorite commenter status at April 07, 2015 01:08 PM (9Z8lH)

121 Well at least if he doesn't get the Republican nomination he always has the option of running as the Libertarian candidate.

Posted by: JROD at April 07, 2015 01:08 PM (wnwJC)

122
Free weed and teen voting!

The idiotocracy must be brought forward, post haste!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at April 07, 2015 01:08 PM (95CzI)

123 Is the liquor store open on election day?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 07, 2015 01:09 PM (W5DcG)

124 Rand Paul is just such a pansy. Really. I WANT to like him, but he is such a fem.
Got to the gym, for christsakes. Lose the motherfucking gerri curl thing. Speak like a man and stop whining.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at April 07, 2015 01:09 PM (iAUf+)

125 Free weed and teen voting!

Duuuuude!

Posted by: anon a mouse at April 07, 2015 01:09 PM (KnbYp)

126 Looks like my sock fail is starting to produce some results.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 07, 2015 01:09 PM (xSCb6)

127 who would win in a fight: Paultard vs LaRouche vs Bircher?

Posted by: The Dude at April 07, 2015 01:10 PM (SyKbw)

128 Good grief! Candidates, please learn to not wave your hand like that. The still photos look like a nazi salute.

Don't they teach you that in Candidate School? That, along with not talking about rape fairies?

Posted by: BurtTC at April 07, 2015 01:10 PM (TOk1P)

129 It takes quite an impressive JV lineup to leave Marca Rubia as the experienced one!

Posted by: RioBravo at April 07, 2015 01:10 PM (NUqwG)

130 Suggestion for Senator Paul:



Go accomplish something in national office before presuming without justification that you're qualified to be President.





Posted by: MikeD at April 07, 2015 01:06 PM (uKJIC)

Um, you've just disqualified the entire GOP field.

Posted by: Methos at April 07, 2015 01:10 PM (ZbV+0)

131 Dem fails?


Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 07, 2015 01:08 PM (4WhSY)


*scribbles on cocktail napkin*

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 07, 2015 01:10 PM (0HooB)

132 20 3 He has unpresidential hair.

Actually not a trivial point.



Actually, it is a very trivial point.

Our Republic is being destroyed from within and you guys are arguing tonsorial competency?

Really? I'm not a Paulian but this is just silly.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 07, 2015 01:10 PM (7ObY1)

133 Silver dimes, silver dimes
It's primary time in the country.
Posted by: Russkilitlover at April 07, 2015 01:08 PM (fWqNF)


Ding a ling.
Spend those things.
Soon it will be judgement day.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 07, 2015 01:10 PM (W5DcG)

134 The post is getting longer.

Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at April 07, 2015 01:10 PM (FA3Z7)

135 Is it not plausible that Labor is in fact a tangible, hands-on teacher of Moral principle?

Hello! Mr. Labor is out sick.
I'm your substitute teacher for today!

Posted by: Masturbation at April 07, 2015 01:10 PM (9aNb8)

136 who would win in a fight: Paultard vs LaRouche vs Bircher?



America.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2015 01:10 PM (GHhDX)

137
Same here! Whoo Hooo!

Posted by: Amanda Bearse at April 07, 2015 01:07 PM (KnbYp)


_______________________________

Yeah,, I'd hit you too Marcy Darcy....


Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 07, 2015 01:10 PM (HSmrB)

138 And Leon is getting larger.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 07, 2015 01:11 PM (W5DcG)

139 93
Rand Paul is a rare candidate that shows a dedication to grounded
philosophical positions instead of just pragmatic ones, so I like him
for that.


It kind of matters what the positions are. For example, what does he mean by "disproportionately"? There are plenty of really bad, but consistent, philosophies floating around.

Go accomplish something in national office before presuming without justification that you're qualified to be President.

Precisely. You can say the same for Senators Cruz and Rubio, although in the latter case, he has accomplished something. He's taken a bright political future and turned it into dross.

Posted by: pep at April 07, 2015 01:11 PM (YXmuI)

140 I don't think Paul quite got as much on the ball as he could have, and got a single when he could have had extra bases or a home run, but it's good to hear someone sounding this theme

I am somewhat encouraged by the push back of Mike Rowe on this and how there are beginning to be at least faint stirrings of hey parents it's okay if your kid's an electrician instead of in middle management.

Here is where I rant about incentives being set up to keep Kids These Days from working as teenagers and in college. Work has value. Work has meaning. There is nothing wrong with working with your hands. Right now, all the incentives are to keep teenagers from being taught this. Yeah, that is a bad idea and we are starting to see the results of that.

Posted by: alexthechick - Hi again everybody! at April 07, 2015 01:11 PM (mf5HN)

141 126
Looks like my sock fail is starting to produce some results.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 07, 2015 01:09 PM (xSCb6)

Euphemism alert.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at April 07, 2015 01:11 PM (TR90z)

142 Where's Harold Stassen?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 07, 2015 12:51 PM


Did ol' Harold have a nut-case daddy too?

Posted by: MrScribbler at April 07, 2015 01:11 PM (P8YHq)

143 Well at least if he doesn't get the Republican nomination he always has the option of running as the Libertarian candidate.

I don't think that will work out too well.

Posted by: Gary Johnson at April 07, 2015 01:12 PM (4WhSY)

144
Hey, who else got an email from Babs Bush asking for tangible support for Da Jebster? (It was shit-canned post haste, of course.)

Show of hands!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at April 07, 2015 01:12 PM (95CzI)

145 Posted by: BurtTC at April 07, 2015 01:07 PM (TOk1P)


You could try using reason and logic, listen to the candidates' positions on various issues, and weigh those issues on a scale of importance to you. This would permit you to choose an order of candidates that most closely reflect your own views.


Or you can pick some wild irrelevancy, claim that this makes a candidate either Christ Returned or the Coming of the Beast, and go on a wild blood-soaked, battle-axe swinging, heathen-oath bellowing rampage to cow your opposition into a position of prostrate fear.


I know which method I am going to use!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Grievances Are Privileges at the Outrage Outlet! at April 07, 2015 01:12 PM (hLRSq)

146 If any care, i've updated with some criticism.

Posted by: ace at April 07, 2015 01:12 PM (PA7DS)

147 who would win in a fight: Paultard vs LaRouche vs Bircher?


Fruit of Islam

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 07, 2015 01:12 PM (pZtrP)

148 he has my vote and my sword.

Posted by: X at April 07, 2015 01:12 PM (n5fTN)

149 who would win in a fight: Paultard vs LaRouche vs Bircher?

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Well...that is not a complete list, Zionist.

Posted by: Davy Duke at April 07, 2015 01:13 PM (NUqwG)

150 disproportionately punishes people of color

Just from an econometrics standpoint, this reads as being disproportionate to actual occurrence of crime--a systemic bias.

Posted by: Jonathan Ellis at April 07, 2015 01:13 PM (9wPDi)

151 Rand Paul is the southern version of Rick Santorum.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at April 07, 2015 01:13 PM (iAUf+)

152 What I've learned from this thread:

The perfect Repub candidate:

1. Has to have fab-o-lous hair
2. Must speak in a deep, manly voice
3. Is not permitted to wave to crowds.


Yep, that's the ticket for saving this nation. 18 trillion in debt can be solved by fabulous hair, deep voices and not waving.

Fuck, I need to get off the interwebz today. My BP is rising.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 07, 2015 01:13 PM (7ObY1)

153 he has my vote and my sword.



I'll take "What Reggie Says" for $500 Alex.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2015 01:14 PM (GHhDX)

154 Um, you've just disqualified the entire GOP field.


Posted by: Methos


Wrong. Walker, Jindal, (Bush, Kasich). You might not like the last two, but unaccomplished? No. The first two speak for themselves.

Posted by: pep at April 07, 2015 01:14 PM (YXmuI)

155 Oh, and Perry.

Posted by: pep at April 07, 2015 01:15 PM (YXmuI)

156 Just noticed the update.

I've never understood the overly large position Rick Santorum occupies in some peoples' minds, particularly his detractors'. He's just a non-factor to me.

Posted by: Y-not at April 07, 2015 01:15 PM (9BRsg)

157 Rand Paul is the southern version of Rick Santorum.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot

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No, Huckabee is the southern version of Rick Santorum.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 07, 2015 01:15 PM (/i3Yt)

158 127 who would win in a fight: Paultard vs LaRouche vs Bircher?
Posted by: The Dude at April 07, 2015 01:10 PM (SyKbw)

My money's on the Bircher.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2015 01:15 PM (2Ojst)

159 Um, you've just disqualified the entire GOP field. Posted by: Methos at April 07, 2015 01:10 PM

And all the Democrat wannabes.

After Choom Boy, "experience" basically means you've lived -- and no one cares how you've lived -- long enough to run.

Posted by: MrScribbler at April 07, 2015 01:15 PM (P8YHq)

160
>>Not one [silver] dime

*Snickers*

Posted by: Lea at April 07, 2015 01:15 PM (lIU4e)

161 Ace, the two go hand in hand. It is moral to work, and work teaches virtues like reliability and loyalty and patience. But we're moral beings before we take up labor.

Posted by: joncelli at April 07, 2015 01:16 PM (RD7QR)

162 wow thanks.
157 comments

Posted by: comrade willow at April 07, 2015 01:16 PM (nqBYe)

163 I've never understood the overly large position Rick Santorum occupies in some peoples' minds, particularly his detractors'.

He's just a non- factor to me.



Who is?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2015 01:16 PM (GHhDX)

164 I think anyone salivating over Paul should note early on his tendency to flip flop like a good pol. Looks like he'd make Romney or John Kerry proud there:

http://on.fb.me/1ah8NH6

Posted by: arcadehero at April 07, 2015 01:16 PM (27BfC)

165 I look forward to Sally Kohn prog-splaining that slavery wasn't force cause it was your choice whether to get whipped or not. You were free to choose not to pick the cotton.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 07, 2015 01:17 PM (ZPrif)

166 You can say the same for Senators Cruz and Rubio, although in the latter case, he has accomplished something.
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Rubia's political experience does include a stint as a city commissioner, state rep (Majority Leader and Speaker). He is an idiot but a very accomplished one. At least that is something.

Posted by: RioBravo at April 07, 2015 01:17 PM (NUqwG)

167 Havent you figured it out yet?

It makes no difference what they say because they will stab us in the fucking back once elected!

Posted by: Dan at April 07, 2015 01:17 PM (COpZ4)

168
Forget Lamar... I know where Biden buried all his bodies.. errr I mean toupees...

--Pierre S. du Pont IV

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at April 07, 2015 01:18 PM (X7MMs)

169 Speaking of Labor, I just got shanked by my regional manager again. Instead of doing the ACRL (ACC) Rugby Tournament in Charlotte in two weeks, I've been shifted to a broadcast at Coastal Carolina the same day. Three times as far away, and less money (the Tourney is a 2-day job, pays much better than the standard rate). So, what's Conway, NC like? I guess I'm going to find out.

Posted by: LincolnTf at April 07, 2015 01:18 PM (2cS/G)

170 >>>I've never understood the overly large position Rick Santorum occupies in some peoples' minds, particularly his detractors'. He's just a non-factor to me.

well, I have to say he doesn't occupy much of a position in my mind, except I found his claims about Economic Strength flowing from Moral Purpose to be interesting.

While I don't doubt the two are linked, I've always wondered if he had the directionality of the relationship reversed.

As in all things, of course, there is almost certainly a self-reinforcing cycle at work, labor breeding moral thought, moral thought breeding willingness to work for one's bread.

I think it's important to at least note the possibility that as Moral habits breed economic good habits, economic good habits breed moral habits as well.

This isn't a Hate On Santorum thing. It's just an idea I think it is interesting and important.

Posted by: ace at April 07, 2015 01:18 PM (PA7DS)

171 Wrong. Walker, Jindal, (Bush, Kasich). You might not like the last two,
but unaccomplished? No. The first two speak for themselves.


Go look at the wording of the quote I was responding to. What *national* office have any of those guys held?

Posted by: Methos at April 07, 2015 01:18 PM (ZbV+0)

172 he has my vote and my sword.

Posted by: X at April 07, 2015 01:12 PM (n5fTN)


Will you be my hero? Come to the app store, play for free. I'll be there... I swear!

Posted by: Kate "Bad Actor" Upton at April 07, 2015 01:18 PM (TOk1P)

173 I've never understood the overly large position Rick Santorum occupies in some peoples' minds, particularly his detractors'.
He's just a non- factor to me.
Who is?
Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2015 01:16 PM


You'll make Poppin' Fresh weep.

Or was it T-Paw that the Corpulent Captain had a sizable man-crush for last time?

Posted by: MrScribbler at April 07, 2015 01:18 PM (P8YHq)

174 Wrong. Walker, Jindal, (Bush, Kasich). You might not like the last two, but unaccomplished? No. The first two speak for themselves.
---

Nationally, we're talking Jindal, Cruz (SCOTUS wins), and Perry (if you count service in the U.S. military).

Also, as you point out, Kasich, who was in Congress, and Pence (same thing).

Posted by: Y-not at April 07, 2015 01:18 PM (9BRsg)

175 Is it not plausible that Labor is in fact a tangible, hands-on teacher of Moral principle?

Just as Idleness breeds immorality?

--

You are correct, Ace, doubly so on the second point.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 07, 2015 01:18 PM (/i3Yt)

176 Rubia's political experience does include a stint as a city
commissioner, state rep (Majority Leader and Speaker). He is an idiot
but a very accomplished one. At least that is something.


We have different ideas about what constitutes "accomplished".

Posted by: pep at April 07, 2015 01:18 PM (YXmuI)

177 The main criteria for candidate success is his familiarity with the show Glee. I've never watched it, but the world of politics is now all-gay-all-the-time, so they better be prepared to answer questions about it.

Or, to be safe, just pick Bruce Jenner as VP.

Posted by: wooga at April 07, 2015 01:18 PM (9aNb8)

178 >>>Ace, the two go hand in hand. It is moral to work, and work teaches virtues like reliability and loyalty and patience. But we're moral beings before we take up labor.

eh, this just isn't true. Children are not born moral; they need it taught into them.

Posted by: ace at April 07, 2015 01:19 PM (PA7DS)

179 @136 rickb223-Don't know if I would be considered one of the Horde. If I was, I know who wins Horde vs Paultard. Got into a fist to cuff with one at a gas station when he made a disparaging comment about what I was listening to on the radio (M. Levin podcast). I told him appropriately to go "F himself". He was too old to handle the situation so his younger son took up the fight and lost. I still have the police report and would still like to shove it up a Paubots ass for the inconvenience.

Posted by: JROD at April 07, 2015 01:19 PM (wnwJC)

180
Rand seems like a nice person. I can't get worked up over his faults or beliefs after living under El Dictator McPowergrab for the last 6 years. Pretty much goes for the whole R field.

I like that I think he really believes in smaller less intrusive govt though.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 07, 2015 01:19 PM (ODxAs)

181 This isn't a Hate On Santorum thing. It's just an idea I think it is interesting and important.
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Yeah, I'm sorry I wasn't really trying to project anything other than "Oh, Santorum?" because I literally go months forgetting he exists.

Compared to an ass like Huckabee, Santorum just doesn't hit my radar that often.

Posted by: Y-not at April 07, 2015 01:19 PM (9BRsg)

182 A masked Rand gonna take the country back from those dang yankees on his Southern steed

Posted by: The Dude at April 07, 2015 01:19 PM (SyKbw)

183 Go look at the wording of the quote I was responding to. What *national* office have any of those guys held?

I missed that. Sorry.

Posted by: pep at April 07, 2015 01:20 PM (YXmuI)

184 One of the first things God tells Adam is that you're going to need to work if you want to eat. It wasn't things like Don't look at porn, don't steal, any of that other stuff that you can consider a higher moral law. It was f'ing work son, and when you're done with that have a bunch of kids with that Eve chick.

Seems to me based on the Bible that not being a lazy ass was a big deal to God. He didn't tell Adam, You'll have to eat by the sweat of thy brow all the days of thy life...or until you can convince 51% of your kids to tax the other 49% to give you food stamps. Whatever. I'm totally cool with that.

Posted by: Brenden at April 07, 2015 01:20 PM (wa+SP)

185 Huntsman in 16!!

Posted by: anon a mouse at April 07, 2015 12:58 PM (KnbYp)


I really do hope The Huntsman runs. He and his pron star daughters.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 07, 2015 01:00 PM (TOk1P)

If he promised lesbian orgy videos he could get Alaska. It gets really lonely there.

Posted by: joncelli at April 07, 2015 01:20 PM (RD7QR)

186 Endorsed Mitch McConnell.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 07, 2015 12:52 PM (oVJmc)


-------------------------------------


Yup. That's a tough one for me to get around. Plus, all the crazies that followed his father.

Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2015 01:21 PM (/HX7u)

187 Go look at the wording of the quote I was responding to. What *national* office have any of those guys held?
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Jindal worked in HHS under Bush.

Posted by: Y-not at April 07, 2015 01:21 PM (9BRsg)

188 >>>Yeah, I'm sorry I wasn't really trying to project anything other than "Oh, Santorum?" because I literally go months forgetting he exists.

okay np. Politicians don't say many interesting things, but I always thought this particular thing Santorum said was interesting. Santorum's talk about the linkage between morality and industry is to me his equivalent of Perry's promise, "I intend to make government as unimportant to your lives as possible."

I don't think he's 100% right about the particulars, but he's definitely right to be interested in this idea.

Posted by: ace at April 07, 2015 01:22 PM (PA7DS)

189 Havent you figured it out yet?

It makes no difference what they say because they will stab us in the fucking back once elected!

Posted by: Dan at April 07, 2015 01:17 PM (COpZ4)



Arrrrggghhhhh! I shall slice your head from your neck, empty your brain pan, and put it to the use of the footrest for Governor Walker's Throne of Skulls!

No mercy! No rationality! No restraint!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Grievances Are Privileges at the Outrage Outlet! at April 07, 2015 01:22 PM (hLRSq)

190 Is it not plausible that Labor is in fact a tangible, hands-on teacher of Moral principle?
Just as Idleness breeds immorality?
Idle hands, they say, are the Devil's playthings; is it not plausible that industrious hands teach "God's laws" but in a vocational, rather than a philosophical, manner?


The two are cyclical.
Honest hard work teaches and reinforces moral values, but in turn moral values are necessary to hold fast against the temptation to cheat your way to success.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 07, 2015 01:22 PM (OiH3z)

191 Since when have Christians taught labour was wrong?

Posted by: andycanuck at April 07, 2015 01:22 PM (kivUY)

192 Parable of the Talents

Posted by: heavily armed redoubt at April 07, 2015 01:23 PM (klkx1)

193 For me, if the state you governed is the size of a country or has a major industrial port, that'll suffice for national office.

Posted by: Y-not at April 07, 2015 01:23 PM (9BRsg)

194 A masked Rand gonna take the country back from those dang yankees on his Southern steed

Are you calling him a Democrat?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 07, 2015 01:23 PM (4WhSY)

195 178 >>>Ace, the two go hand in hand. It is moral to work, and work teaches virtues like reliability and loyalty and patience. But we're moral beings before we take up labor.

eh, this just isn't true. Children are not born moral; they need it taught into them.

Posted by: ace at April 07, 2015 01:19 PM (PA7DS)

No, that's not what I said. Do children pick up a shovel the moment they slide out of the chute? You work children up to actual labor while you inculcate them with moral virtues; give them chores and expect them to complete them, teach them that doing a job well is a good thing in itself, and so on.

Posted by: joncelli at April 07, 2015 01:23 PM (RD7QR)

196 "There are plenty of really bad, but consistent, philosophies floating around."


Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at April 07, 2015 01:23 PM (KDbAT)

197 So, what's Conway, NC like? I guess I'm going to find out.
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Conway, North Carolina ?
I think you had better check the location before you set your GPS.

Think Beaufort, NC vs. Beaufort, SC.

Two rather different places.

Posted by: Al Sharpton at April 07, 2015 01:24 PM (l1zOH)

198 I missed that. Sorry.


Posted by: pep at April 07, 2015 01:20 PM (YXmuI)

No problem. I'm sure I'll say something that warrants a swat to the back of the head before the day is out.

Posted by: Methos at April 07, 2015 01:24 PM (ZbV+0)

199
>>>I've never understood the overly large position Rick
Santorum occupies in some peoples' minds, particularly his detractors'.
He's just a non-factor to me.



well, I have to say he doesn't occupy much of a position in my mind,
except I found his claims about Economic Strength flowing from Moral
Purpose to be interesting.



While I don't doubt the two are linked, I've always wondered if he had the directionality of the relationship reversed.



As in all things, of course, there is almost certainly a
self-reinforcing cycle at work, labor breeding moral thought, moral
thought breeding willingness to work for one's bread.



I think it's important to at least note the possibility that as
Moral habits breed economic good habits, economic good habits breed
moral habits as well.



This isn't a Hate On Santorum thing. It's just an idea I think it is interesting and important.





Posted by: ace at April 07, 2015 01:18 PM (PA7DS)


The thing is though, Sanctotum has no relevance today. He did in 2012 because for a brief period he was the Not-Romney, but even then by the time he got that job it was all over anyway.


People can play off the perspective of a Sanctotum, but why would you need to? He doesn't have a following, there isn't a push to have the Sanctotum Doctrine imposed on the rest of the party. He was just a guy. A guy who said a lot of silly things that spooked people like you who find his overt religiosity to be revolting.

I find THAT interesting. It's like you decided to grant him powers he never commanded himself. It might be interesting to explore why that is. Some other time, I mean. Not now.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 07, 2015 01:25 PM (TOk1P)

200 Here is where I rant about incentives being set up to keep Kids These Days from working as teenagers and in college. Work has value. Work has meaning. There is nothing wrong with working with your hands. Right now, all the incentives are to keep teenagers from being taught this. Yeah, that is a bad idea and we are starting to see the results of that.


*jumps up on soapbox*


Thank you, my Queen, for elucidating the guiding principle for most of my career, such that it was. Until the Idiots Who Run teh Government decided that we needed something called a New Economy, there was a place for me and the millions like me who enjoyed working with our hands. Manufacturing provided a place for people with those skills and abilities to flourish through formal apprenticeships and OJT.

Manufacturing was the place where engineers, accountants, machinists, designers, welders, painters and truck drivers could find a promising future (as I did for a while) and possibly advance up the ladder.

It's sure be nice to see a candidate return to the idea that American jobs should be plentiful and prosperous.

*jumps off soapbox*

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 07, 2015 01:25 PM (0HooB)

201 Is it not plausible that Labor is in fact a tangible, hands-on teacher of Moral principle?

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Among other spiritual principles, yes.

Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2015 01:25 PM (/HX7u)

202 D'oh! I didn't even know what State what it was in. I'll go do a directions search now, definitely going to need them.

Posted by: LincolnTf at April 07, 2015 01:25 PM (2cS/G)

203 sheds foul race-baiter sock

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 07, 2015 01:26 PM (l1zOH)

204 Why didn't anybody come to me like a man and tell me there was a new thread?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 07, 2015 01:26 PM (zF6Iw)

205 My wife was fairly convinced #1 son was holding a shovel when he came out.


Turns out he just has a really big head.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 07, 2015 01:26 PM (W+RZ5)

206 >>>
The thing is though, Sanctotum has no relevance today. He did in 2012 because for a brief period he was the Not-Romney, but even then by the time he got that job it was all over anyway.


People can play off the perspective of a Sanctotum, but why would you need to? He doesn't have a following, there isn't a push to have the Sanctotum Doctrine imposed on the rest of the party. He was just a guy. A guy who said a lot of silly things that spooked people like you who find his overt religiosity to be revolting.

...

because he said something interesting, which is rare.

Posted by: ace at April 07, 2015 01:26 PM (PA7DS)

207 About the value of labor... You're welcome, Ace.

Posted by: Mike Rowe (not really) at April 07, 2015 01:26 PM (L+5wE)

208 Conway, SC is just east of Myrtle Beach

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 07, 2015 01:26 PM (l1zOH)

209 Actually, children are born with basic morality. Most of our instinctual morality evolved to live in small hunter-gatherer groups, with farmer morality evolving on top of that.

Humans have strong instinctual ideas about fairness and sharing and treating of in-group and out-group.

Human society can shape and mold the natural morality of children, but they aren't a blank slate.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 07, 2015 01:26 PM (ZPrif)

210 Conway, SC is just east of Myrtle Beach
Posted by: Mike


WEST..., dammit.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 07, 2015 01:27 PM (l1zOH)

211 O/T: Neonecon.com summarizes a complete mess created by Obama - Many of these "unaccompanied minors" that are crossing the border are teens who are raped, and any organization that has contracted w/the govt to house/care for them here in the US is now required to pay for their contraception, abortions, etc. You know where this is going, right? Yes, Catholic charities caring for these abused immigrant minors are not OK with being forced to do this, and the ACLU is getting into the fight.
*shakes head in disgust*


Posted by: Sheila Jackson Lee at April 07, 2015 01:27 PM (2TN4k)

212 The Shakers had a saying "Hands to work, Hearts to God".

Posted by: mer at April 07, 2015 01:27 PM (bqLSS)

213 Why didn't anybody come to me like a man and tell me there was a new thread?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 07, 2015 01:26 PM


The fact that the canoli was gone and the gun was still there should have been a clue?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 07, 2015 01:27 PM (h4vJk)

214 For me, if the state you governed is the size of a country or has a major industrial port, that'll suffice for national office.
Posted by: Y-not at April 07, 2015 01:23 PM (9BRsg)
--------
Milwaukee !!!! And larger than Monaco, The Most Super Serene Republic of San Marino, Andorra, Licked-the-Stine, Luxembourger, Hoale Sea, and Belgium combined!

Posted by: RioBravo at April 07, 2015 01:27 PM (NUqwG)

215 Idle hands, they say, are the Devil's playthings; is it not plausible that industrious hands teach "God's laws" but in a vocational, rather than a philosophical, manner?


THEOCRAT!!!!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 07, 2015 01:27 PM (8ZskC)

216 Renault, "Major Strosser has been shot. Round up the usual suspects."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 07, 2015 01:27 PM (Fx+0y)

217 no offense, burt, but please mind the old saying, "First rate minds talk about ideas, second-rate minds talk about people."

I'm talking about an idea Santorum proposed. I don't really care that it was Santorum who proposed it. If Biff Klingle of Duluth proposed it, I'd still find it interesting.

You seem determined to derail me from talking about an interesting idea to talking about all the same crap about a particular person.


Posted by: ace at April 07, 2015 01:28 PM (PA7DS)

218 Actually, children are born with basic morality.
----------------

See: C.S Lewis's introduction to 'Mere Christianity'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 07, 2015 01:28 PM (l1zOH)

219 Sonny Bunch @SonnyBunch 14m14 minutes ago
Trevor Noah might have a Dane Cook problem. www.channelnewsasia.com/news/entertainment/trevor-noah-is-a-thief/1767602.html

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 07, 2015 01:28 PM (ZPrif)

220 My wife was fairly convinced #1 son was holding a shovel when he came out.

Turns out he just has a really big head.



Ouch.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2015 01:28 PM (GHhDX)

221 De Toqueville wrote that while sailing down the Ohio River, you could tell which side was slave and which side was free just by looking at the state of the farms. On the free side, people maintained their farms because they owned the farms and they were working for themselves. On the slave side, slaves did what they were forced to do and free men did not do the sort of work that slaves did so everything reflected that.


I guess that the Democrats have always been the party of the race obsessed and work averse.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 07, 2015 01:28 PM (KDbAT)

222 "Is it not plausible that Labor is in fact a tangible, hands-on teacher of Moral principle?"



It is just above the promise of retributive violence if you step out of line, because it is more likely to be followed if no one is looking.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Grievances Are Privileges at the Outrage Outlet! at April 07, 2015 01:28 PM (hLRSq)

223 Russel Peters calls Trevor Noah a joke-thief.
Now that could actually threaten his Daily Show gig.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 07, 2015 01:29 PM (ZPrif)

224 Jindal worked in HHS under Bush.

Ok, I actually didn't know that. Or had forgotten. Did he do anything notable while there?

Posted by: Methos at April 07, 2015 01:29 PM (ZbV+0)

225 And the HQ is also covering up the real news today: John McCain is running again in '16!

Posted by: andycanuck at April 07, 2015 01:29 PM (kivUY)

226 Just looked at the wiki of Coastal Carolina, they have a Chick-Fil-A in the dining court, so I'm feeling optimistic. Eight miles west of Myrtle Beach, so I'll get a sneak preview of my summer vacation.

Posted by: LincolnTf at April 07, 2015 01:29 PM (2cS/G)

227 I always like the "do 5 chin-ups" or you don't eat in the chow hall, fat boy. Poor Hillary would tear her arms out the socket
But on the bright side she'd lose a couple pounds

Posted by: Bruce Jenner's Plastic Vag at April 07, 2015 01:29 PM (hjErT)

228 De Toqueville wrote that while sailing down the Ohio River, you could tell which side was slave and which side was free just by looking at the state of the farms. On the free side, people maintained their farms because they owned the farms and they were working for themselves. On the slave side, slaves did what they were forced to do and free men did not do the sort of work that slaves did so everything reflected that.

Just replace "slave" and "free" with "Section 8" and "homeowner."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 07, 2015 01:30 PM (zF6Iw)

229 Ok, I actually didn't know that. Or had forgotten. Did he do anything notable while there?
Posted by: Methos at April 07, 2015 01:29 PM (ZbV+0)
-------
Apparently he examined the nurse shortage.

Posted by: RioBravo at April 07, 2015 01:30 PM (NUqwG)

230 find THAT interesting. It's like you decided to grant him powers he never commanded himself.

Wearing magic outerware.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 07, 2015 01:30 PM (W5DcG)

231 no offense, burt, but please mind the old saying, "First rate minds talk about ideas, second-rate minds talk about people."



I'm talking about an idea Santorum proposed. I don't really care
that it was Santorum who proposed it. If Biff Klingle of Duluth proposed
it, I'd still find it interesting.


You seem determined to derail me from talking about an interesting
idea to talking about all the same crap about a particular person.



Posted by: ace at April 07, 2015 01:28 PM (PA7DS)


No, I'm not trying to derail you. I am skeptical though. You say it's about the idea, and not the man. Good. That would be a good thing.
I'm not sure I believe you, but time will tell.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 07, 2015 01:30 PM (TOk1P)

232 Trevor Noah might have a Dane Cook problem.



His cook is Finnish'd?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2015 01:30 PM (GHhDX)

233 Comic Fight!!
--
Trevor Noah is a 'thief': Comedian Russell Peters - Channel NewsAsia http://cna.asia/1PgB0y0

"He (Noah) is also a thief above it all," Peters said during a taping of Channel NewsAsia's Conversation With, hosted by Lin Xueling. "He has stolen material from David Kau, he's stolen material from myself, you know, whatever - that's his gig now. Congratulations."

Asked whether the material could have simply been "borrowed", Peters retorted: "You don't borrow in this business. If you're a comedian, it's just stealing somebody's underwear and putting it on, it just doesn't make sense."

That said, the Canadian denied any jealousy over Noah's high-profile gig of replacing Jon Stewart. "No, I wasn't even up for the gig - do you know how much work that is? No, I didn't want it at all," he said.

"It's a political job and I'm not a political-minded guy. I would be the wrong guy for that job, 100 per cent."

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 07, 2015 01:31 PM (ZPrif)

234
I never read it, but was that book 'A Purpose Driven Life' about the interconnection of work and morality? That's what I always guessed.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 07, 2015 01:31 PM (ODxAs)

235 "Apparently he examined the nurse shortage."


AtC was a nurse?

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at April 07, 2015 01:31 PM (h4UbF)

236 Well Rand, welcome to the party.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at April 07, 2015 01:31 PM (oDCMR)

237 My pastor wrote his doctoral dissertation on the relationship between the Church and labor. It's a fascinating read.

Posted by: Hal at April 07, 2015 01:31 PM (hmPdt)

238 I've got some other ideas. Mostly about sparging.

Posted by: Biff Klingle of Duluth at April 07, 2015 01:31 PM (/kI1Q)

239 "208
Conway, SC is just east of Myrtle Beach

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 07, 2015 01:26 PM (l1zOH)"

I think you are confusing it with Atlantis.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 07, 2015 01:31 PM (KDbAT)

240 I don't think he's 100% right about the particulars, but he's definitely right to be interested in this idea.

I think 'Idle hands are the Devil's workshop' which is the negative flip of the the morality/indusrty ethic is a little easier to see.

Posted by: Methos at April 07, 2015 01:32 PM (ZbV+0)

241 So. So. I'm trying to be the better person about this and I am failing even more miserably than usual.

Apparently, there are power outages in the greater DC area. Further apparently, there was a ceremony for the issuance of Maya Angelou's stamp and the power went out in the middle of Oprah speaking and AHAHAHAHAHAHA.

(Karma is so going to get me for all of this)

And then there's this. Which is All The Win:

https://twitter.com/j___eraghty/status/585490865830891520

Posted by: alexthechick - Hi again everybody! at April 07, 2015 01:32 PM (mf5HN)

242 I'm not saying I'm queer or nothing, but there are times when I marvel at your brilliance.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 07, 2015 01:32 PM (IsUN4)

243 Ok, I actually didn't know that. Or had forgotten. Did he do anything notable while there?



Does not effing it up count?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2015 01:32 PM (GHhDX)

244 "Actually, children are born with basic morality."


Yes, they are natural heathen brigands and barbarians.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Grievances Are Privileges at the Outrage Outlet! at April 07, 2015 01:33 PM (hLRSq)

245 so I'll get a sneak preview of my summer vacation.
Posted by: Lincoln
------------------

You see one Tanger Outlet Mall, you've seen them all.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 07, 2015 01:33 PM (l1zOH)

246 *dispatches a Raptor package to 1bulwetweft's location*

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 07, 2015 01:33 PM (Fx+0y)

247 My roommate keeps telling me Hillary is going to be the next president.
I have told him he has to shut up or he's going to be evicted.
She was inevitable in 2007 & we know how that turned out.

Posted by: Carol at April 07, 2015 01:33 PM (sj3Ax)

248 Oof, I see someone already made that point.

Posted by: Methos at April 07, 2015 01:33 PM (ZbV+0)

249 >>>No, I'm not trying to derail you. I am skeptical though. You say it's about the idea, and not the man. Good. That would be a good thing.
I'm not sure I believe you, but time will tell.


what you should definitely do is continue to derail every discussion into a fucking tedious personal argument about whether or not you think your Tribe is being disrespected.

remember, the only discussions we're allowed to have is CHRISTIANS ARE AWESOME or CHRISTIANS ARE TERRIBLE

You're tedious. You're walking around with a chip on your shoulder like the most quivering Social Justice Warrior, every on patrol for offense and claims of disrespect.

Posted by: ace at April 07, 2015 01:33 PM (PA7DS)

250 Methos,

"Gov. Bobby Jindal, a former top official in the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) under George W. Bush and former secretary of health for his state, also confirmed the governor does not plan to set up an exchange"

I believe one of Jindal's self-proclaimed selling points is that he understands the ins and outs of Big Govt "healthcare." I don't know specifically what he *achieved* at HHS, but that experience may be why he's been able to propose pretty detailed overhaul (repeal/replace) plan to Obamcare. That plan has been criticized (by Ramesh P or someone like that), but at least it's out there.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/
the-bobby-jindal-healthcare-crusade-that-could-shape-2016/
article/2559883

Posted by: Y-not at April 07, 2015 01:33 PM (9BRsg)

251 And the HQ is also covering up the real news today: John McCain is running again in '16!

Posted by: andycanuck at April 07, 2015 01:29 PM (kivUY)


Don't get my hopes up. The only thing that would be better than mccain running would be Bob Dole, if only because it would create a great increase in peenie enhancement talk, along with third person self-references.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 07, 2015 01:33 PM (TOk1P)

252 Yes, they are natural heathen brigands and barbarians.
Posted by: Mikey
----------------

It takes a child to raze a village.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 07, 2015 01:33 PM (l1zOH)

253 Further apparently, there was a ceremony for the issuance of Maya
Angelou's stamp and the power went out in the middle of Oprah speaking
and AHAHAHAHAHAHA.


When did non-POTUS you have to stop being dead for ten years before you got a stamp?

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 07, 2015 01:34 PM (/kI1Q)

254 DAMMIT!

http://bit.ly/1Fy9d6M

Posted by: alexthechick - Hi again everybody! at April 07, 2015 01:34 PM (mf5HN)

255 Later gators.

Posted by: Y-not at April 07, 2015 01:34 PM (9BRsg)

256 If you work, you die.

Posted by: NEETs worldwide at April 07, 2015 01:35 PM (uEmgg)

257 Posted by: alexthechick - Hi again everybody! at April 07, 2015 01:32 PM (mf5HN)

My power is out too and I'm six hours away from dc. Power outages suck balls. Commenting using an iPhone is for chumps

Posted by: Mynewhandle at April 07, 2015 01:35 PM (DJgfe)

258 McCain pulling an OODA Loop on Rand

Posted by: The Dude at April 07, 2015 01:35 PM (SyKbw)

259 *serves gelato ala fragola to AlextheChick*

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 07, 2015 01:36 PM (Fx+0y)

260 If elected, I will slash billions from the national budget by simply replacing our men and women in uniform with an army of flying monkeys.

Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at April 07, 2015 01:36 PM (8ZskC)

261
ok. Obama is all hurt and stuff because evidently we christians don't like him and hurt his feewings.

Can we have a bigger wimp in the white house?

"you guys are mean!"

Nice.

loser.

At the risk of inviting the Secret Service over for lunch, that comment deserves the Throat Punch of The Week

(note to secret service, it's not a threat, simply a verbal response to stupid)

TPOW!

ok now I'm out.

Posted by: TangoNine at April 07, 2015 01:36 PM (x3YFz)

262 Politics isn't all it's cracked up to be.
For one, I always thought when you ran, you got to kiss babies.

Sadly, that's not true at all.

Posted by: Harry Reid at April 07, 2015 01:36 PM (sH832)

263 Commenting using an iPhone is for chumps



Android wins again!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2015 01:36 PM (GHhDX)

264 Actually AlextheChick is happy that Rand Paul is providing good cover to the power outage from her nuclear powered Sybian.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 07, 2015 01:37 PM (Fx+0y)

265 When did non-POTUS you have to stop being dead for ten years before you got a stamp?

Posted by: HR
--------------------

Something..., something...,dinosaur droppings.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 07, 2015 01:37 PM (l1zOH)

266 I read somewhere, it may have been here since we sometimes venture into the philosophical, about the value of labor. Labor replaces the aggressive nature of men with a peaceful outlet for their energies, one that rewards them for innovation and intelligence.

Stymie that, as this Chicago Clown Car of an administration is doing, and man will revert to his aggressive nature (*does Forrest Gump wave at Detroit*).

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at April 07, 2015 01:37 PM (0HooB)

267 Here's Russell Peters calling Trevor Noah a joke-thief. Peters does come across very bitter and jealous - ie, just like every other stand-up comedians when discussing the success of a competitor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHxbkLpbtNk

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 07, 2015 01:37 PM (ZPrif)

268 When did non-POTUS you have to stop being dead for ten years before you got a stamp?
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 07, 2015 01:34 PM


You do that you'll get a religion, never mind a stamp. :-P

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 07, 2015 01:38 PM (h4vJk)

269 254 DAMMIT!

http://bit.ly/1Fy9d6M
Posted by: alexthechick - Hi again everybody! at April 07, 2015 01:34 PM (mf5HN)

I don't get it.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2015 01:38 PM (2Ojst)

270 I can understand about the "deep manly voice" and the "not waving" but are sure about that "fab u lous" hair thingy.

What president ever had fab u lous hair?

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at April 07, 2015 01:38 PM (Vyg9x)

271 And the HQ is also covering up the real news today: John McCain is running again in '16!

I just threw up a little. In my mouth.

Posted by: Methos at April 07, 2015 01:38 PM (ZbV+0)

272 Busy hands are happy hands.

Posted by: Slow Uncle Joe Biden at April 07, 2015 01:38 PM (Dwehj)

273 "227
I always like the "do 5 chin-ups" or you don't eat in the chow hall, fat boy. Poor Hillary would tear her arms out the socket

But on the bright side she'd lose a couple pounds

Posted by: Bruce Jenner's Plastic Vag at April 07, 2015 01:29 PM (hjErT)"

As I remember Basic Training, they had a horizontal ladder by the door of the mess hall. The line to eat started before the horizontal ladder and continued on the other side of it. Those who could not cross the horizontal ladder went to the end of the line for another chance. If they did not manage to cross the horizontal ladder before the platoon's allocated time in the mess hall was up, they did not eat that meal. Overweight people either lost weight or got really strong arms.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 07, 2015 01:39 PM (KDbAT)

274 When did non-POTUS you have to stop being dead for ten years before you got a stamp?
Posted by: HR braucht


You do that you'll get a religion, never mind a stamp. :-P
Posted by: RedMindBlueState



But it has to be redeemed within three days to be valid.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2015 01:39 PM (GHhDX)

275 New one.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2015 01:39 PM (2Ojst)

276 Busy hands are happy hands.
-------------------------------

The ONT could do a lot with that comment.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 07, 2015 01:39 PM (l1zOH)

277 Here is where I rant about incentives being set up to keep Kids These Days from working as teenagers and in college.

There was a good article, probably via Insty, a couple of years ago that explained how very different the teenage labor market is today from back in the day. It helped ameliorate my anger at No. 1 Son for not being able to find a summer job.

I'd tell him to go to every restaurant in town and ask for the manager and ask for a job. I had done it. Got hired as a busboy/dishwasher. Got the other staff to teach me their jobs. Made a point of serving one table, making one milkshake, grilling one hamburger every shift if I could. Got promoted to grill cook.

It's the old values but I'm afraid they don't pertain any more.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 07, 2015 01:39 PM (JtwS4)

278 Insomniac, that's the map of the power outages in DC right now.


Actually AlextheChick is happy that Rand Paul is providing good cover to the power outage from her nuclear powered Sybian.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 07, 2015 01:37 PM (Fx+0y)



*shifty eyes*

I have no idea what you could be talking about.

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: alexthechick - Hi again everybody! at April 07, 2015 01:39 PM (mf5HN)

279 De Toqueville wrote that while sailing down the Ohio River, you could tell which side was slave and which side was free just by looking at the state of the farms. On the free side, people maintained their farms because they owned the farms and they were working for themselves. On the slave side, slaves did what they were forced to do and free men did not do the sort of work that slaves did so everything reflected that.I guess that the Democrats have always been the party of the race obsessed and work averse.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 07, 2015 01:28 PM (KDbAT)


-------------------------------------------

I love that De Toqueville piece. When I read it the first time, I harkened back to when I went through Checkpoint Charlie from West Berlin into East Berlin. Relatively free market, labor intensive into pure communist socialism. The differences would take several paragraphs to describe. It was stark.

Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2015 01:40 PM (/HX7u)

280 what you should definitely do is continue to derail
every discussion into a fucking tedious personal argument about whether
or not you think your Tribe is being disrespected.



remember, the only discussions we're allowed to have is CHRISTIANS ARE AWESOME or CHRISTIANS ARE TERRIBLE



You're tedious. You're walking around with a chip on your shoulder
like the most quivering Social Justice Warrior, every on patrol for
offense and claims of disrespect.





Posted by: ace at April 07, 2015 01:33 PM (PA7DS)


This is obviously much more personal for you than it is for me, so I'm going to go away now so you can have the discussion you prefer to have.




Posted by: BurtTC at April 07, 2015 01:40 PM (TOk1P)

281 Actually AlextheChick is happy that Rand Paul is providing good cover to the power outage from her nuclear powered Sybian.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 07, 2015 01:37 PM (Fx+0y)
*faints*

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 07, 2015 01:40 PM (OiH3z)

282 Trevor Noah might have a Dane Cook problem.

But I though Dane Cook had a Carlos Mencia problem.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 07, 2015 01:40 PM (4WhSY)

283 "Defeat the Washington machine!" ... "I endorse Mitch McConnell."

I've always sensed a shrewd, nasty, passive-aggressive streak in Paul. And likewise the congenital moral blindness over the Left in many libertarians. Not interested. I'm going for full-bodied unapologetic conservatism, Ted Cruz.

Posted by: rrpjr at April 07, 2015 01:40 PM (s/yC1)

284 What president ever had fab u lous hair?



JFK. Minus the big hole.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2015 01:40 PM (GHhDX)

285 278 Insomniac, that's the map of the power outages in DC right now.

Ah, thank you. I had no idea what that map signified.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2015 01:41 PM (2Ojst)

286 #251 Just for his existing senate seat, Burt, not the POTUS. (Although I admit my comment could be read that way too. )

Posted by: andycanuck at April 07, 2015 01:41 PM (kivUY)

287 >>>This is obviously much more personal for you than it is for me, so I'm going to go away now so you can have the discussion you prefer to have.


obviously, you can tell that it's more personal for me than it is for you by the fact that you brought up a completely irrelevant and false charge that your Tribe was being disrespected.

God forbid I should talk about Rick Santorum as a politician I half-agree, half-disagree with, rather than as a Cultural Avatar for your tribe.

Posted by: ace at April 07, 2015 01:42 PM (PA7DS)

288 Nood. Voxtards.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 07, 2015 01:42 PM (h4vJk)

289 JFK?? Naw just slightly above average.

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at April 07, 2015 01:43 PM (Vyg9x)

290 hey burt you know how you get annoyed when a black crusader seeks out and invents imaginary racial disparagements in ordinary, non-racial political statements?

Yeah, think about that

it's no more charming when you do it.

Posted by: ace at April 07, 2015 01:43 PM (PA7DS)

291 Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2015 01:40 PM (GHhDX)

Rutherford B. Hayes had the most awesome beard.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Grievances Are Privileges at the Outrage Outlet! at April 07, 2015 01:43 PM (hLRSq)

292 What ??? The Ewok's working on a movie review for Avatar ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 07, 2015 01:43 PM (W+RZ5)

293 At my Basic, the "fat boys" were held until last in line, which in the best of circumstances meant you might get 3 miutes to eat by the time you got in, and when they finally did get in, a Drill Sergeant would stand over them while they ordered, often screaming "Eat whatever you want, boy, get that donut, fat-ass, you know you want it! You miss your Momma's biscuits and gravy, fatty, get a bunch, pile your whole plate with them biscuits, boy!". The soldiers who were smart got two egg whites and a piece of toast, the ones who were dumb got the biscuits.

Posted by: LincolnTf at April 07, 2015 01:44 PM (2cS/G)

294 so to Obama:


yer a wuss. A coward. We don't need you. We don't want you.

zat hurt your feelings? well.

too bad.

Are you still here?

Posted by: TangoNine at April 07, 2015 01:44 PM (x3YFz)

295 34
I don't like Rand, but at least he wouldn't make me stay home on election day like Jeb would. Fuck Jeb.

From my thoughts to your keyboard.

Posted by: trainer at April 07, 2015 01:46 PM (n4ArD)

296 This is obviously much more personal for you than it
is for me, so I'm going to go away now so you can have the discussion
you prefer to have.





^^^

I hate passive aggressive.

Posted by: TangoNine at April 07, 2015 01:46 PM (x3YFz)

297 What president ever had fab u lous hair?


Ronaldus Maximus.

VO 5 to the nth degree.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 07, 2015 01:48 PM (sH832)

298 Ronaldus Maximus.

Had He man, manly hair, that was appropriate for a man.

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at April 07, 2015 01:51 PM (Vyg9x)

299 Actually I can see Paul as the real bomb thrower in the primary and Cruz as the sensible pragmatic conservative.

The only thing I wish Cruz would cut out is the schmaltzy shining city on a hill schtick.

But most of our politicians talk like this.

I wish one of them would talk simply and plainly.

That would go a long way to getting people to buy in.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 07, 2015 01:51 PM (LQWLo)

300 "I love that De Toqueville piece. When I read it the
first time, I harkened back to when I went through Checkpoint Charlie
from West Berlin into East Berlin. Relatively free market, labor
intensive into pure communist socialism. The differences would take
several paragraphs to describe. It was stark.

Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2015 01:40 PM (/HX7u)"

I had a clearance so I never went into East Berlin. They had those wooden platforms all around the Berlin Wall where you could go and look into East Berlin. It was impressive just how gray and crappy the place looked.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 07, 2015 01:55 PM (KDbAT)

301 "When in fact, Lincoln frequently urged, Labor was among the greatest callings of man."

And then signed into Law, the first ever US Income TAX....

Rhetoric, over substance...

Posted by: BB Wolf at April 07, 2015 02:07 PM (qh617)

302 This is a brilliant insight about work as it relates to politics both well analyzed and well stated. Thank you.

Posted by: bour3 at April 07, 2015 02:12 PM (5x3+2)

303 "...but I did like the idea he played with about work not being punishment, but work being a reward. ..."


Actually, that part surprised me a little - I expected him to be more, well, RANDIAN. Work as its own reward is more like some sort of Protestant Ethic thing. Rand certainly would applaud the sentiment regarding the value, dignity, and morality of work, but the point of work is to ACTUALLY PRODUCE SOMETHING OF VALUE, not just work for work's sake. Rand might argue that that would be even worse than working for the sake of others (as a virtual slave) - in this case you'd be working for the sake of nothing at all!

Anyway, it didn't make sense, and I expected better of him, of all people.

Posted by: Optimizer at April 07, 2015 02:18 PM (/q6+P)

304 Rand Paul is yet again running for President. Can't wait until he picks either the Donald or Willie Nelson for a running mate.

This is a sad day. Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane died today. James Best actually had a very interesting life and life story, that belied the goofy sheriff he played in the Dukes of Hazzard.
http://tinyurl.com/mhfroen

Posted by: Jen the original at April 07, 2015 02:25 PM (PfWwQ)

305 "I will repeal any law that disproportionately punishes people of color"

Did he really say that? Sorry, but if he means it the way it seems, it means he's too intellectually dishonest to even consider voting for. It's nonsensical on several levels, and it's an appeal to the stupidest elements of the left.

Posted by: Vermin at April 07, 2015 03:15 PM (D7OVc)

306 A frustrating day that makes me wish I could chop off my genetalia, in adavance of my surgery.

Posted by: Bruce Jenner at April 07, 2015 03:19 PM (xkSSa)

307 If Lincoln thought labor was so great, why did he give up rail splitting and become a lawyer?

Posted by: Bob at April 07, 2015 03:35 PM (fVGlW)

308 "When did non-POTUS you have to stop being dead for ten years before you got a stamp?



Posted by: HR"

Oh that's still in place unless you are black. Now if you are Asian you have be dead for 12 years.

See also: SAT SCORES.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at April 07, 2015 03:39 PM (WGm5T)

309 For most school kids these days, Labor is the only teacher of morality.

They don't get it from their parents and they sure as hell don't get it from school.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at April 07, 2015 04:09 PM (nb5QL)

310 Ace, I think you are right about work/morality. It's no coincidence the slaves, black and Hebrew sang to G-d as they worked.
Doing anything right takes aforethought and focus and sustained action. My thoughts often turn to G-d and forming the universe and all the interactions and physics and whatnot, and think of each of us toiling away and helping to continue the creative process. He gave us all the materials, so we can feel what it is like to create. We can sanctify our labor by acknowledging the creation continuum.

Posted by: andreaSf at April 07, 2015 04:14 PM (TNtf1)

311
"Is it not plausible that Labor is in fact a tangible, hands-on teacher of Moral principle?


Just as Idleness breeds immorality?


Idle hands, they say, are the Devil's playthings; is it not plausible
that industrious hands teach "God's laws" but in a vocational, rather
than a philosophical, manner?"
Yes. Yes. And yes. Why aren't you running for President?

Posted by: RGB at April 07, 2015 04:18 PM (jJK+G)

312 "I will repeal any law that disproportionately punishes people of color"

And I will vote for any candidate who enforces the law without regard to color.

Rand Paul.

Toast.

With a gerri curl.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at April 07, 2015 04:35 PM (iAUf+)

313 "this relationship between Morality and Industry might be precisely reversed in the standard socon telling"

Holy shit, Ace. I never thought about that. That may be one of the most profound ideas I've heard. Definitely going to apply that to my children.

I'm also going to hit your tip jar.

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at April 07, 2015 05:19 PM (NBhge)

314 Are there no prisons? And the union workhouses, are they still in operation?

Posted by: Noted Moralist Ace Ebenezer Scrooge at April 07, 2015 07:54 PM (nbGZj)

315 The early settlers espoused hard work as one of the values of a good life. Protestant ethics took us quite a distance.

Posted by: Supreme Being at April 07, 2015 10:45 PM (SJ184)

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