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Rolling Stone Didn't Just Make Mistakes; They Deliberately Chose to Deceive Readers
Peter Suderman makes a point I made earlier, but with many more instances of Erdely and editor Dan Woods deliberately and consciously choosing to deceive readers.
As Sheila Coronel, Columbia Journal"sm School's Dean of Academic Affairs, tells CJR in an interview about the report, “pseudonyms were used mainly to paper over gaps in the reporting. Of all the many reasons you might want to use pseudonyms, this one should never be considered." The decision to use pseudonyms, in other words, was made in order to cover for the fact that critical story details hadn’t been verified.Readers are used to pseudonyms in stories, to protect whistleblowers, for example. But Rolling Stone was not protecting a whistleblower in "Drew's" case. According to the narrative of their story, "Drew" was a brutal rapist. So why use the pseudonym? Maybe this is why media types like Richard Bradley sniffed this story out as a possible fake at first (which I definitely did not) -- they maybe understood that it made no sense to give a non-cooperating suspected rapist a pseudonym. In fact, "Drew" was given a pseudonym for the most bizarrely irresponsible of reasons -- because neither Erdely, Woods, nor anyone at Rolling Stone had any idea who he was. He was given a pseudonym, unbelievably, because they had no actual name for him! Jackie the Fabulist refused to tell them his name, and got even more sketchy and dodgy when pressed on the point. This caused consternation at Rolling Stone... but nothing they couldn't fix with a deceptive pseudonym.
By October's end, with the story scheduled for closing in just two weeks, Jackie was still refusing to answer Erdely's texts and voicemails. Finally, on Nov. 3, after consulting with her editors, Erdely left a message for Jackie proposing to her a "solution" that would allow Rolling Stone to avoid contacting the lifeguard after all. The magazine would use a pseudonym; "Drew" was eventually chosen.Later, of course, they would find out "Drew's" real name: Haven Monahan, a name that doesn't exist anywhere, except in teenaged girls' Twilling fan-fiction,* and which name Jackie claimed to not even know how to spell. Haven Monahan, if you remember, then supposedly texted Randall/Ryan, the boy that Jackie liked, to tell Randall/Ryan what an amazing catch she was, and how he should definitely go out on dates with her. Haven Monahan supposedly did this days after orchestrating a gang rape of Jackie. Having given "Drew" a pseudonym to hide the fact that they had no idea if he actually existed (spoiler alert: He does not), they then went on to conceal more of their failures from the reader:
In addition, the report notes that Erdely's editor on the story, Sean Woods, made the decision to remove language noting that Erdely had not contacted "Drew" or even been able to identify him. As the Columbia report on the article says...Read the whole thing, including the conclusion; Rolling Stone is claiming they did this all to protect Jackie (which would be troubling enough), but in fact these deliberate misrepresentations were done to protect itself from criticism: They knew they'd be picked to pieces for presenting such a shoddy, sketchy, all-from-a-single-uncorroborated source story. They didn't feel like getting picked apart, so they deliberately hid all their failures-to-fact-check from the reader. Think about the story being written accurately, with full transparency: It would have made it clear that Erdely had not contacted the three friends; nor "Drew" aka "Haven Monahan" the Dreamboat Rapist; nor anyone at the fraternity (beyond a very vague request for comment on the allegations); nor the other suspects (whose identities Woods claimed to know) in the gang rape; nor even Jackie's mother, who supposedly possessed, at one time, the torn and bloody party dress, but then threw it away. A transparent account of the story would have made it clear that every single claim came only from Jackie, with no corroboration, except the very weak corroboration of a roommate stating that Jackie had mentioned the alleged gang-rape four months after it had happened. All the rest of it -- all the quotes, everything -- was only from Jackie, and furthermore, Jackie deliberately resisted all attempts to corroborate her claims. Now: Rolling Stone thought, "If we publish that, no one will believe this story." So they decided to just hide all that from the reader. Perhaps they should have thought about why no one would believe the story, were they to include all that detail about what they did know, and the much, much longer list of what they did not know.Rolling Stone's editors did not make clear to readers that Erdely and her editors did not know "Drew's" true name, had not talked to him and had been unable to verify that he existed. That was fundamental to readers' understanding. In one draft of the story, Erdely did include a disclosure. She wrote that Jackie "refuses to divulge [Drew's] full name to RS," because she is "gripped by fears she can barely articulate." Woods cut that passage as he was editing. He "debated adding it back in" but "ultimately chose not to."That's not a reason. It’s not even an excuse. It’s just a decision to hide pertinent information from readers. Woods chose to remove language that would have clarified what the reporting had and hadn’t established. He chose to make the story less transparent.
* Someone on Twitter made this "Twilling fan fiction" joke. I'd hat tip this person, but I honestly can't remember who it was. Correction: SarahW says that the obviously-so-fake-it's-painful name Haven Monahan was used early by Jackie for her catfishing attempts, but Jackie later fed Erdely a much more plausible name of a real person. And then, only well after that, Erdely learned of the Haven Monahan name.
Correction, CORRECTION CORRECTION and a big one. Erdely was not told the "rapists" name was Haven Monahan. Jackie made up a new name and point of first contact for her "rapist" by then. New rapist, the only one Erdely ever heard of by name, until her friends came forward, had a new identity altogether. Jackie had already reinvented her "frat date" as an upperclassman co-worker at a pool. That kid got dragged through the mud on gossip boards at UVA, btw. Police found a young man with a very similar name to "NewRapist" worked at an aquatic center and belonged to a frat (though not THE frat). That kid had to get a lawyer. He was completely open and cooperated fully, but he had counsel to sit by his side - a lawyer with a fee. He opened up his personal life, his bank records, his credit card records, to show no sign of having taken a girl out to the upscale restaurant she'd made a big deal about. He had to answer embarrassing and personal question and endure time consuming interviews to clear himself. That was a REAL kid, not some picture on a phone. And not Haven. Erdely only found out about Haven later on, when the story started coming apart.I don't know if that is true. I know part of it is -- the part about finding a kid that fit part of the name Jackie had given them working at the pool, though he turned out, as SarahW says, to have not been a member of Phi Kappa Psi, and no one could find any evidence of his participation in this gang rape (for the reason, now obvious, that it hadn't happened).
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:31 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:32 PM (St6BJ)
There, FIFY
Posted by: anon a mouse at April 06, 2015 06:32 PM (KnbYp)
Posted by: your winnings, sir at April 06, 2015 06:32 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: huerfano at April 06, 2015 06:33 PM (bAGA/)
I cannot wait for the discovery phase of this trial. Hope the frat boys get a good lawyer.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:32 PM (St6BJ)Ok, my first thought was an image of Alexthechick standing in front of her boss' desk holding up a newspaper and jumping up and down begging "please, oh please can we get this case. PLEEEEEAAASE!"
Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 06, 2015 06:33 PM (OiH3z)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:33 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling est. 2005 at April 06, 2015 06:34 PM (UmkRj)
Might reveal her secret identity, no? Anyway, a Landmark Legal Eagle or a Texas judge.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:34 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Golfman at April 06, 2015 06:35 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: Lawyers for Rolling Stone Magazine at April 06, 2015 06:35 PM (qS+T0)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:36 PM (St6BJ)
I hope this frat pushes this all the way.No out of court settlement. Bury them. Put them out of business.
Posted by: tu3031 at April 06, 2015 06:36 PM (YFFpo)
Posted by: The Media Elite, personified in this instance by Rolling Stone Magazie at April 06, 2015 06:36 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:36 PM (St6BJ)
Next thing you'll be telling me is Rolling Stone doesn't really give a shit about women getting raped and it was all about a Leftist agenda to make change on college campus.
Or, as I like to call it: soft terrorism via extortion.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling est. 2005 at April 06, 2015 06:36 PM (UmkRj)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 06, 2015 06:33 PM (OiH3z)
Otherwise...
Posted by: Golfman at April 06, 2015 06:37 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: Sensei Kreese at April 06, 2015 06:37 PM (OD2ni)
I hope this frat pushes this all the way.No out of court settlement. Bury them. Put them out of business.
Posted by: tu3031 at April 06, 2015 06:36 PM (YFFpo)
ACORN still exists as CORNA or some such. Rolling Stone will become Stolling Rone.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:37 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling est. 2005 at April 06, 2015 06:36 PM (UmkRj)
The soft bigotry of low expectations. The soft terrorism of outright extortion. Nice, that.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:38 PM (St6BJ)
Because that's what you do with evidence of your daughter's vicious gang-rape; you throw it away. Makes perfect sense.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 06, 2015 06:38 PM (GuwT9)
Otherwise...Posted by: Golfman at April 06, 2015 06:37 PM (48QDY)No, the top of the head and newspaper bobbing in and out of view is what makes it hilarious.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 06, 2015 06:39 PM (OiH3z)
Posted by: John Boehner at April 06, 2015 06:39 PM (sQzB6)
At this point I wouldn't believe Rolling Stone if they did a story on ISIS gang raping in Syria and Iraq.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 06, 2015 06:39 PM (ODxAs)
Meh. What's another deception when the entire story was a deception? RS was just looking for a cast for their wannabe Best Selling Fiction.
How many cans of gasoline are needed for an arson? Why quibble with the final number?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 06, 2015 06:39 PM (1CroS)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 06, 2015 06:40 PM (OiH3z)
Posted by: Puns R Us at April 06, 2015 06:40 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 06, 2015 06:40 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 06, 2015 06:40 PM (8ZskC)
It was me!
Posted by: Brian Williams at April 06, 2015 06:40 PM (E7Iyp)
Posted by: Golfman at April 06, 2015 06:40 PM (48QDY)
Actually shocked that Rolling Stone still exists. In the late 70's/early 80's their ads were maybe one or two cars, Jack Daniel, Landlubber or UFO jeans, How to Pick Up Girls, and classified ads for term papers.
What a mockery of a sham of a sham rag.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:40 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Mark in Portland at April 06, 2015 06:41 PM (DpRZj)
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at April 06, 2015 06:41 PM (tAS+t)
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible
Come on. I didn't throw it away. I cut it into rags. I've been dusting the house with it.
Posted by: Jackie's Mom at April 06, 2015 06:42 PM (sQzB6)
Posted by: Valor Fitzgerald at April 06, 2015 06:42 PM (tv1eQ)
"I was brutally attacked by a purple boot wearing republican cowboy!"
"My church tied me up and forced me to have sex for Jesus!"
"Ted Cruz assaulted me with his male gaze!"
"My pro-life, conservative father was secretly the leader of a gay sex ring that orchestrated abortions for prostitutes!"
Posted by: Lauren at April 06, 2015 06:42 PM (MYCIw)
Campus rape isn't an epidemic and their stats are trash, but it does happen. Find one that holds up to investigation better.
I'm frankly surprised Rolling Stone is still being printed too. Magazines are dead as catalogs but there it is still out in print? At least they haven't tried to start up a crappy cable channel.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 06:43 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 06, 2015 06:38 PM (GuwT9)
Because Linda Tripp didn't tell her what to do.
Posted by: Golfman at April 06, 2015 06:43 PM (znRRR)
Posted by: AltonJackson at April 06, 2015 06:43 PM (KCxzN)
Posted by: Mark in Portland at April 06, 2015 06:41 PM (DpRZj)
The entire media complex is vested in this as well as every professor and crackpot student on campus. Talk about a pre-leveled playing field. And if they get a hack leftist appointee for a judge, they'll lose the case but get fined .25 cents, like in "QB-VII."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:43 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Heywood Jablome at April 06, 2015 06:44 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at April 06, 2015 06:41 PM (tAS+t)
What about a Rape-tor? Or a Joo rapist - rape-shifter?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:44 PM (St6BJ)
Remember as well that Emily Renda made at least a vague hey Jackie may not remember all the details warning and it was Erdely who was all no that's totes plausible.
Erdely wanted a big, huge dramatic rape story with a clear Heroine and clear Villains and, by damned, she was going to get it.
Oh and there had to be a clear tale that UVA ignored it so no one could know that the only reason the school didn't go after the rapist and the frat is because Jackie refused to name any names to Dean Eramo.
Nope. Reality is complex and that got in the way of the Narrative. When that happens, reality must give way.
Posted by: alexthechick at April 06, 2015 06:45 PM (IrByp)
Yeah, but those other rapes aren't flashy. They don't have star power! You've got to find a rape that really tells a story, you know?
Posted by: Rolling Stone at April 06, 2015 06:45 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:45 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: The Ghost of Walter Duranty at April 06, 2015 06:46 PM (YFFpo)
Ace, you gotta give yourself more credit. I remember when I first read this story and the thing that jumped out at me (beyond the absurdity of the claim that gang rape was just a normal frat activity for pledges and was seen as no big deal) was Jackies' friends' quoted responses from the night in question.
I don't remember exactly, but something like "Oh, Jackie, you got raped? You can't tell anyone, because it will ruin all of our social lives!" and "Why are you complaining? Those boys are so hot, I'm jealous"
And I remember my bullshit meter going off, and you ace being one of the first blogs I saw to even raise the questions about the account of the friends reactions.
So I'd say you were ahead of the curve with your bullshit meter...
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 06:46 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: The most interesting, and sensitive man in the world at April 06, 2015 06:46 PM (wAQA5)
User ratings aren't just for Yelp anymore.
Posted by: Haven Monahan at April 06, 2015 06:46 PM (8ZskC)
I concur. They seemed to not be especially concerned about the weakness of the story to the point of being comfortable and used to it. Like cops who end up being dirty, reporters who lie or plagiarize should have every single thing they've done professionally in the past pulled out for scrutiny and mockery.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 06:46 PM (39g3+)
We see a huge scandal here. You know what They see?
They see a failed propaganda campaign.
Back to the drawing board. I mean, you don't think the Left/media will be deterred by this, do you?
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling est. 2005 at April 06, 2015 06:46 PM (UmkRj)
Posted by: Rolling Stone at April 06, 2015 06:47 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 06:47 PM (39g3+)
We see a huge scandal here. You know what They see?
They see a failed propaganda campaign.
Back to the drawing board. I mean, you don't think the Left/media will be deterred by this, do you?
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling est. 2005 at April 06, 2015 06:46 PM (UmkRj)
They haven't been for over a century now. I'll give them this; they never give up.
As my late mom always said, "evil never rests."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:48 PM (St6BJ)
How strong would the case be if the school sued? I think that was part of the narrative.
And I beg that you dont scroll up to #17.
Posted by: Golfman at April 06, 2015 06:48 PM (znRRR)
They had to have a rape story even if they had to make it up.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill
...................................
They must have been in heat.
Posted by: wth at April 06, 2015 06:48 PM (wAQA5)
the bitch didn't keep the dress????
lolzlzoawlawelalsaraflllooll
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at April 06, 2015 06:48 PM (lyu9J)
Because that sounds so much better than, "made up."
Dear IRS,
Some of the refund I am claiming is based on withholdings that haven't been verified. This is because we need to highlight the lack of attention paid to $200,000,000 refunds. I'm sure you'll understand.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champ 1997 at April 06, 2015 06:48 PM (Q819Q)
"...on Sundays!"
Posted by: OregonMuse at April 06, 2015 06:49 PM (I8YZX)
Well, they had to be careful, or I'd have sued them for defamation!
Posted by: Rapey McGangbang at April 06, 2015 06:49 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 06:46 PM (39g3+)
Little known fact - Those were the pseudonyms of Abbott and Costello.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:49 PM (St6BJ)
"I was brutally attacked by a purple boot wearing republican cowboy!"
"My church tied me up and forced me to have sex for Jesus!"
"Ted Cruz assaulted me with his male gaze!"
"My pro-life, conservative father was secretly the leader of a gay sex ring that orchestrated abortions for prostitutes!"
Posted by: Lauren
Go on. What other ideas do you have?
*scribbles furiously*
Posted by: Rolling Stone Editor at April 06, 2015 06:49 PM (sQzB6)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 06, 2015 06:39 PM (OiH3z)
THAT IS SO MEAN!
*scribble scribble scribble*
Posted by: alexthechick at April 06, 2015 06:49 PM (IrByp)
Posted by: OregonMuse at April 06, 2015 06:49 PM (I8YZX)
With the collection plate.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:49 PM (St6BJ)
I think it was Drew. Or maybe Haven.
Posted by: The Real Fictional Drew at April 06, 2015 06:49 PM (keQp5)
Makes me wonder what they've gotten away with to this point.
Never mind.
Posted by: Golfman at April 06, 2015 06:50 PM (znRRR)
Posted by: Effetrius Johnson, M.S.J. at April 06, 2015 06:50 PM (HEo6y)
OT but soon to be story: A yahoo reporter is trying to get the list of donators from the go fund me site, Dana Loesh and the Blaze as part of a "fraud" investigation. But of course its really for a witch hunt to attack the donators. The go fund me PR person is apparently freaking out because there is now a leftist mob accusing them of bad business or whatever too.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 06, 2015 06:50 PM (ODxAs)
Because as they admit in their apology, RS started with a narrative -- coincidentally after Obama gave a speech in which he claimed 25% of college women get raped -- that rape was normalize on college campuses to such an extent that it was part of the culture.
Then they set out to find stories to fill in the details, ad-lib like, to their narrative.
If you read the original story, much of it was "narrative" based and not the actual recounting of jackies "ordeal". I wouldn't be surprised if the "story" was written before they found jackie, then they went back and filled in the details.
No one cared if it was true or not, as long as it fit the narrative.
Just like "hands up dont shoot". And just like that event, RS knew that even if caught, no one would really hold them accountable.
And the narrative must go on.
This one didn't play out the way they wanted, but oh well. Gotta keep trying.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 06:50 PM (AkOaV)
Well, they had to be careful, or I'd have sued them for defamation!
Posted by: Rapey McGangbang at April 06, 2015 06:49 PM (amQXf)
It may have caused constipation, but not that other deal.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:50 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Christian Grey at April 06, 2015 06:50 PM (/u1nf)
I'm gonna sue.
Posted by: @votermom at April 06, 2015 06:50 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 06:51 PM (39g3+)
The victims themselves are useful only by how much they can push The Narrative.
A girl who gets raped by a random assailant while walking home from the park?
Not interested.
A girl who gets raped by a bunch of frat boys?
Hot damn, now you've got something!
The SJWs want more women to be raped by frat boys.
Posted by: Lauren at April 06, 2015 06:51 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Golfman at April 06, 2015 06:51 PM (znRRR)
That's why I don't donate to things like that. I can't afford to have the SJW mob come after me. I'd definitely get fired from my job haha
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 06:51 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Goldstein, Cohen, Finsterwald, and Kelly LLC at April 06, 2015 06:51 PM (P330y)
Why yes. Yes I do.
Posted by: Effetrius Johnson, M.S.J. at April 06, 2015 06:51 PM (HEo6y)
no small amount of irony there. you lambast rs for using pseudonyms while using the * Someone on Twitter made this "Twilling fan fiction" pseudonym.
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 06, 2015 06:52 PM (gsfK5)
Why yes. Yes I do.
Posted by: Effetrius Johnson, M.S.J. at April 06, 2015 06:51 PM (HEo6y)
Ahh, a new wrinkle has been added to that Donnie and Marie schtick, no?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:52 PM (St6BJ)
When insane progressive radical nuts meet (meat) an insane kooky post-pubescent teen girl with emotional issues.
It's not fun to peer into these swamps of hormones.
Posted by: Rev Dr Dumb Bunnies at April 06, 2015 06:53 PM (cNiT0)
Posted by: Golfman at April 06, 2015 06:53 PM (znRRR)
Meh. I baste my own lamb, thank you.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:53 PM (St6BJ)
boy that Jackie liked, to tell Randall/Ryan what an amazing catch she
was, and how he should definitely go out on dates with her."
Well, to be fair, I was pretty much done with her at that point - damaged goods and all. No reason that dude shouldn't enjoy my sloppy secon...er, eighths.
Posted by: Haven Monahan at April 06, 2015 06:53 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Walter Duranty at April 06, 2015 06:53 PM (kFxpe)
It is how we predicted.
Posted by: Lauren at April 06, 2015 06:53 PM (MYCIw)
I know who 'twas:
'Twas Twilling, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
Posted by: zombie at April 06, 2015 06:53 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Golfman at April 06, 2015 06:53 PM (znRRR)
Can we set up a GoFuckMe thing for Rolling Stone?
PS - I'd wager that that exists.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:54 PM (St6BJ)
Someone I follow tweeted back: "Juanita Broderick thanks you for your support."
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 06:55 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Bill Clinton, a man with a humidor and an idea at April 06, 2015 06:55 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Conway Twitty at April 06, 2015 06:55 PM (3o++7)
Posted by: Golfman at April 06, 2015 06:55 PM (znRRR)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2015 06:55 PM (Yp6Vn)
Posted by: Jackie Craybans at April 06, 2015 06:55 PM (tv1eQ)
Posted by: steevy at April 06, 2015 06:56 PM (KETbL)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Inc. -- The King Unwilling est. 2005 at April 06, 2015 06:56 PM (UmkRj)
Posted by: Dan Rather at April 06, 2015 06:56 PM (kFxpe)
Nothing to worry about. I am sure they have the best of intentions.
Posted by: Brendan Eich at April 06, 2015 06:56 PM (/u1nf)
When first we practice Borderline Personality Disorder
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at April 06, 2015 06:56 PM (qNZ3I)
Posted by: nobody, ever at April 06, 2015 06:56 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Whoopi Goldberg at April 06, 2015 06:57 PM (amQXf)
______________________________________
I don't get it, either.
Posted by: zincfinger at April 06, 2015 06:57 PM (Yw2f8)
When will the US Treasury start a go fund me for the government? Those printing presses won't last forever.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:57 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Anderson Cooper at April 06, 2015 06:57 PM (kFxpe)
There's really so many recent outrage news items lately this fits. Gay wedding cakers, hands up don't shoot, I can't breathe, on and on it goes. What's true? Who gives a damn, the alleged victims are utterly irrelevant. None of this is about helping who they claim, its about demoralizing and destroying the opposition. The elite knows they are massively out numbered. And as was written long ago, a tyranny can only rule with fear.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 06:57 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: nobody, ever at April 06, 2015 06:56 PM (K4YiS)
In all seriousness, I actually cited an article from "Penthouse" for a college assignment. Hey, it was a legit article.
So was the bush with the hint of early morning dew.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:58 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Anderson Cooper at April 06, 2015 06:57 PM (kFxpe)
We need a Photoshop that multiplies the London Boys album cover to make them look like vicious tumescent frat boys.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:59 PM (St6BJ)
Translation: Caught in such bald-faced lies she falls back on ancient feminine defense mechanisms typical of hysterical (in the Freudian sense) women willing to castrate a legion of men instead of admitting her lies.
Posted by: Stinky Sock at April 06, 2015 06:59 PM (xQX/f)
It's true, I was raped by a very very small and unimpressive cock, or better stated, a pee-pee that severely damaged my little vag.
Posted by: Jackie the Aggreived at April 06, 2015 06:59 PM (P330y)
Posted by: weft cut-loop
As I point out, oh-so-cleverly in comment #88, "Twilling" is a word which sounds like it ought to exist, and whose meaning can be scried simply by its context and its apparent derivation. (Just as all the words in The Jabberwock were made up, and yet you kinda can understand it anyway.)
In this case, I think it's sort of a combination of "Twilight" and "willing" -- teen girl sweep-you-off-your-feet rom-sex fanfic.
Posted by: zombie at April 06, 2015 07:00 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 07:00 PM (St6BJ)
______________________________________
I don't get it, either.
Posted by: zinc finger
I was twilling my vajayjay while I invented the rape story.
Posted by: Jackie Coakley at April 06, 2015 07:00 PM (GuwT9)
It's true, I was raped by a very very small and unimpressive cock, or better stated, a pee-pee that severely damaged my little vag.
Posted by: Jackie the Aggreived at April 06, 2015 06:59 PM (P330y)
I was once gang-raped. By amoeba.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 07:00 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: District Judge at April 06, 2015 07:01 PM (39g3+)
When will the US Treasury start a go fund me for the government? Those printing presses won't last forever.
.....................................
Will they accept EBT card payment?
Posted by: wth at April 06, 2015 07:02 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Golfman at April 06, 2015 07:03 PM (48QDY)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 06, 2015 07:03 PM (/eXW0)
And to think that they didn't pause and wonder why they still believed the story.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 06, 2015 07:03 PM (cXQJ2)
Larry Correia has a post up explaining the Sad Puppies Hugo Sci Fi Book story.
http://tinyurl.com/n5nfwyb
Posted by: rd at April 06, 2015 07:03 PM (/u1nf)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at April 06, 2015 07:04 PM (lyu9J)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 07:04 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 06, 2015 07:05 PM (Cq0oW)
Been thinking about growing tomatoes this year, and that thing looked cool.....
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 07:05 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: mynewhandle
Sandra Fluke's uterus?
Posted by: zombie at April 06, 2015 07:06 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Golfman at April 06, 2015 07:06 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at April 06, 2015 07:07 PM (GuwT9)
Posted by: Brock Straightrod at April 06, 2015 07:07 PM (kivUY)
Suggestion to PR person:
1) Stop freaking out.
2) Make a one or two sentence statement (at most) saying GoFundMe will continue to fulfill its mission of helping others help themselves.
3) Do not get baited into debates or explanations. Do not even explain that you're not getting baited into debates or explanations.
4) Ignore requests for further statements. Update policy, if absolutely necessary, months from now and away from activist hysteria.
5) Know that the Hysterics are looking for a Scapegoat/Emmanuel Goldstein for a few seconds of Hate. Do not become one by engaging. Whatever you say WILL be twisted into untruths.
6) Collect underpants.
7) Profit.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 06, 2015 07:08 PM (1CroS)
ha I really set myself up for that one, didnt I?
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 07:08 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Brock Straightrod
I shall attack anyone of my choosing!
Posted by: T. Humbert Fortesque McSchlong at April 06, 2015 07:09 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Johnson Hammersnatch at April 06, 2015 07:11 PM (amQXf)
OT
The Cherokee Nation and the Navajo Nation will not recognize gay marriage and will not allow gay weddings on their reservations.it should be interesting to see how the left handles this
Posted by: kj at April 06, 2015 07:11 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Fifty Shades of Haven, page 87 at April 06, 2015 07:11 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 07:11 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Valor Fitzgerald at April 06, 2015 07:11 PM (tv1eQ)
Posted by: kj
[Single tear runs down cheek.]
Posted by: Liawatha Warren at April 06, 2015 07:12 PM (GuwT9)
Posted by: captain*arizona at April 06, 2015 07:13 PM (rHAbV)
They'll handle it the same way they did the Crowder video demonstrating Muslims refusing to bake a homosexual "wedding" cake.
Crickets.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 07:13 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Valor Fitzgerald at April 06, 2015 07:13 PM (tv1eQ)
Posted by: Dolomite Obelisk at April 06, 2015 07:14 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Valor Fitzgerald
Were's the pinball machine?
Posted by: Jodi Foster at April 06, 2015 07:15 PM (GuwT9)
Posted by: Jodi Foster at April 06, 2015 07:15 PM (GuwT9)
Posted by: Fifty Shades of Haven, page 94 at April 06, 2015 07:15 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Bruce Jenner's Plastic Vag at April 06, 2015 07:16 PM (tv1eQ)
Obama is a brilliant, unicorn riding, Lightbringer ...
Posted by: Adriane the Yellow Journalism Critic... at April 06, 2015 07:16 PM (nSOh+)
They'll handle it the same way they did the Crowder video demonstrating Muslims refusing to bake a homosexual "wedding" cake. these are large nations and their resevations encompass huge swaths of land
Posted by: kj at April 06, 2015 07:16 PM (lKyWE)
Fauxcahontas to the white courtesy phone...
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 06, 2015 07:16 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: kj at April 06, 2015 07:11 PM (lKyWE)
It depends on who donates more to D politicians
::checks records of donations::
Fuck you, you inbred homophobic racist hateful fire water drinking peace pipe smokin' injuns. You'll do what you're god damn told! You think the first trail of tears was bad? Don't make us unleash the full fury of the SJW's on you. Pricks. Die off already.
Posted by: The Left at April 06, 2015 07:16 PM (AkOaV)
Dances With Choreographers hardest hit.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 06, 2015 07:18 PM (oVJmc)
---------------
I hereby renounce my heritage.
Posted by: Liz Warren at April 06, 2015 07:18 PM (l1zOH)
Hmmm... we had not considered that angle.
Complaining about rape is just an extension of white privilege and the patriarchy!
Posted by: SJWs, who are frantically looking for new targets at April 06, 2015 07:18 PM (AkOaV)
I'm the real deal, baby!
Posted by: Brock Straightrod at April 06, 2015 07:19 PM (kivUY)
Posted by: Dolomite Obelisk at April 06, 2015 07:19 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: steevy at April 06, 2015 07:20 PM (KETbL)
Doesn't matter. They're consistently reliable Democrat voters and do not threaten leftist power. They do not care if any tribes break their "laws" only if white Christians do.
This isn't about the victims or even the outrage. Its about shutting you up, forcing you to kneel and submit. Its about a small group of elite whites controlling a much larger group of whites. Its about dominating culture.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 07:21 PM (39g3+)
If I'm any other fraternity I jump on this train too. Here our leftist college is outlawing frat parties. To me that is hurting any frat and the Greek System in general.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at April 06, 2015 07:21 PM (WGm5T)
Posted by: The "To Serve Man" guy at April 06, 2015 07:22 PM (7uT3E)
Yes, they're in their Lashing Out phase of their tantrum. They aren't getting what they want so they're desperate for an outlet.
Do not become one. Do not give them oxygen. Do take archival notes of who and what institutions are going after you and engage in due diligence for research in case of future litigation. Do not announce that you will be taking notes for potential litigation.
Calm, cool, collected, methodical. You can have all the emotion you want in the office though it will cloud your thoughts. Publicly, however, cool and silent as a cucumber.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 06, 2015 07:22 PM (1CroS)
Should be interesting.
Posted by: Lauren at April 06, 2015 07:22 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at April 06, 2015 07:23 PM (3F6F8)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at April 06, 2015 07:23 PM (qNZ3I)
Posted by: Brock Straightrod at April 06, 2015 07:23 PM (kivUY)
Posted by: Big Chief Red Thunderstick at April 06, 2015 07:23 PM (tv1eQ)
Funny the courts found the man innocence as did UVA. Times still ran the story, because you know she was a slut and she feels bad about it?
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 06, 2015 07:23 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Haven Monahan at April 06, 2015 07:23 PM (2cS/G)
Washington Redskins. Evil.
Memories Pizza. Evil.
Navajo Gay Marriage stance. Evil.
Lefty heads. Splody.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 06, 2015 07:23 PM (3o++7)
Hypothetical identical case, including the Columbia Journal report. The only exception being that the alleged rapist is a black male.
What effect would the changing of the race of the alleged rapist have on current discussion taking place in feminist circles?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 06, 2015 07:24 PM (/eHbj)
---
Sally Kohn @sallykohn 5m5 minutes ago
@benshapiro @KevinNR @charlescwcooke so laws saying restaurants can't have cockroaches--you think of as govt "forcing" businesses to clean?
Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 06, 2015 07:24 PM (ZPrif)
I cannot wait for the discovery phase of this trial. Hope the frat boys get a good lawyer.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:32 PM (St6BJ)
JJ I'll bet there are a 100 Alumni lined up to take this case pro bono.
Posted by: Nip Sip at April 06, 2015 07:25 PM (0FSuD)
NOW is strictly bros before hos.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at April 06, 2015 07:25 PM (/kI1Q)
marriage and will not allow gay weddings on their reservations.it should
be interesting to see how the left handles this"
Nothing they can do - tribes are sovereign.
Posted by: Zombie Sitting Bull at April 06, 2015 07:25 PM (amQXf)
Sally Kohn @sallykohn 5m5 minutes ago
@benshapiro @KevinNR @charlescwcooke so laws saying restaurants can't have cockroaches--you think of as govt "forcing" businesses to clean?
*********
Civil. Criminal. What's the diff?!
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 06, 2015 07:26 PM (0x/TW)
Not so much in Tahlequah, which is the capital of Cherokee Nation. It splits about 60/40 Republican and they've been a constant thorn in the government's side.
Plus, most of them look white enough to be Evil White People, so I'm guessing they'll get the same treatment.
Posted by: Lauren at April 06, 2015 07:26 PM (MYCIw)
Kj, do you have a citation for that? I was just discussing the Tribal law trumps US Law with someone in a conversation about the possible establishment of a Sharia Court here in the Dallas area.
Thanks!
Posted by: RagamuffinB at April 06, 2015 07:27 PM (88ley)
That was "FYNQ" but all tarted up for business.
Now Ace could go all "FYNQ" and it would be perfectly in line with the business model. For Ace to NOT say "FYNQ" would be to diverge from SOP.
Know your audience.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 06, 2015 07:28 PM (1CroS)
Posted by: Big Chief Red Thunderstick at April 06, 2015 07:28 PM (tv1eQ)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 07:28 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 06, 2015 07:28 PM (3o++7)
marriage and will not allow gay weddings on their reservations.it should
be interesting to see how the left handles this"
Nothing they can do - tribes are sovereign.
Posted by: Zombie Sitting Bull
The original RFRA was in part created to protect some Natives who wanted to use payote for a ceremony. They were arrested because DRUGS MUST BE CRUSHED, and the courts agreed with the ATF.
RFRA was designed to push back on the Fed intrusion on things like that.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2015 07:29 PM (Yp6Vn)
Posted by: Airandee at April 06, 2015 07:29 PM (rnGGY)
Posted by: kj at April 06, 2015 07:30 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Airandee
Zombie Chris and I both think glass coffee tables are gauche.
Posted by: Zombie Ted Kennedy at April 06, 2015 07:31 PM (GuwT9)
How the heck do these places stay open? Maybe its different in NYC or wherever but they inspect everywhere regularly in my city and nail people. I know because I know several people working in the food industry at all levels. And if they had kitchens and walkins -that heinous, the place would be boarded up, not still open calling Chef Roberts for help on a TV show.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 07:31 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at April 06, 2015 07:32 PM (FFIoe)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 06, 2015 07:32 PM (0x/TW)
Oklahoma-based Cherokee, Creek, Osage tribes among those prohibiting gay marriage
Below is a list of federally recognized Native American tribes that have laws either defining marriage as between a man and a woman or explicitly prohibiting same-sex marriages, along with excerpts of those laws. At least 10 other tribes recognize same-sex marriages, while many more are silent on the matter.
The sovereign tribes' laws would not be directly affected by a U.S. Supreme Court decision on gay marriage expected this spring or summer because the tribes weren't parties to the U.S. Constitution, said Lindsay Robertson, director of Oklahoma University's Center for the Study of American Indian Law and Policy.
Robertson said many provisions covered by the Bill of Rights are extended to tribal jurisdictions through a separate law, the Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968. Claims made under that law must be heard in tribal courts, which would ultimately decide a challenge to a tribe's marriage law.
— The Navajo Nation: "Marriage between persons of the same sex is void and prohibited."
— The Cherokee Nation, based in Oklahoma: "No marriage shall be contracted ... between parties of the same gender."
— The Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, based in North Carolina: "The licensing and solemnization of same sex marriages are not allowed within this jurisdiction."
— The Chickasaw Nation, based in Oklahoma: "No Marriage will be recognized between persons of the same sex."
— The Kalispel Tribe of Indians, based in Washington state: "No marriage license shall be issued or marriage performed unless the persons to be married are of the opposite sex and at least sixteen (16) years of age."
— Kickapoo Tribe of Oklahoma: "The court is not authorized to conduct a marriage ceremony or issue a marriage certificate to a couple if they are of the same sex."
— The Muscogee (Creek) Nation, based in Oklahoma: "Same gender marriage prohibited. A marriage between persons of the same gender performed in another Indian Nation or state shall not be recognized as valid and binding in the Muscogee (Creek) Nation."
— Oneida Tribe of Indians of Wisconsin: "A marriage may be contracted under this law between two (2) adults who ... are of the opposite sex."
— The Osage Nation, based in Oklahoma: "A marriage between persons of the same gender performed in another jurisdiction shall not be recognized as valid and binding in the Osage Nation ..."
— Sac & Fox Tribe of the Mississippi in Iowa: "Same gender marriages prohibited. Only persons of the opposite gender may marry."
— The Seminole Nation of Oklahoma: "Person of the same gender will not be allowed to marry or divorce."
Posted by: Dolomite Obelisk at April 06, 2015 07:34 PM (K4YiS)
http://tinyurl.com/peozncq
The AP tries really hard to front load the spin with "tiny holdout insignificant group of throwbacks" when they are actually quite large tribes.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 07:34 PM (39g3+)
@benshapiro @KevinNR @charlescwcooke so laws saying restaurants can't have cockroaches--you think of as govt "forcing" businesses to clean?
Yes, Sally, the government forces restaurant owners to keep cockroaches out of their kitchens. Now, 99% would do so without any mandate, but the mandate still exists.
If a cockroach loving restaurant owner refused to kill the roaches, and refused to pay the inevitable fines or shut his doors as required, the police would show up, point a gun at him, and literally restrain him up to and including putting him a metal cage called prison.
Is this concept really that hard to understand? EVERY SINGLE LAW passed by government is enforced with the (implied) threat of someone showing up at your house with a fire arm, pointing it at you, tackling you, and stuffing you in to a cage if you don't comply.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 07:34 PM (AkOaV)
So I was just watching the CBS nightly news a little while ago (I know, I know). Anyhow, they had a story about a family that had died of carbon monoxide poisoning. And at the bottom of the screen in big old letters...
CO2.
Jesus H.
Posted by: HH at April 06, 2015 07:35 PM (Ce4DF)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 06, 2015 07:35 PM (Xehhp)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale
If I'd gotten a volkswagon I'd have been President.
Posted by: Zombie Ted Kennedy at April 06, 2015 07:35 PM (GuwT9)
Power, control, and submission of their enemies. They hope to shut you up, crush white men, and keep everyone quaking in their boots.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 07:35 PM (39g3+)
Sally Kohn @sallykohn 5m5 minutes ago
@benshapiro @KevinNR @charlescwcooke so laws saying restaurants
can't have cockroaches--you think of as govt "forcing" businesses to
clean?
This kind of stupid isn't just lack of intelligence, it's pathology. Her brain cannot conceive of anything that does not reinforce her biases.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 06, 2015 07:35 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at April 06, 2015 07:36 PM (qNZ3I)
Posted by: steevy at April 06, 2015 07:36 PM (KETbL)
Posted by: Charles at April 06, 2015 07:36 PM (81njp)
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at April 06, 2015 07:37 PM (tAS+t)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 06, 2015 07:37 PM (oVJmc)
Of course it is, and always has been.
Zagats and other restaurant rating groups (outside of government) including Yelp! do way more to ensure sanity facilities in restaurants then government bureaucrats.
Because it's in the restaurants best interest to be clean and sanity. Unless its a Chinese food place. Then they dont give a shit, and the govt bureaucrats seem to ignore them too.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 07:37 PM (AkOaV)
24
At this point I wouldn't believe Rolling Stone if they did a story on ISIS gang raping in Syria and Iraq.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 06, 2015 06:39 PM (ODxAs)
RS are Muzzie backers not Frats not so much
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 06, 2015 07:37 PM (Xehhp)
At this point I wouldn't believe Rolling Stone if they did a story on ISIS gang raping in Syria and Iraq.
Damn.
Posted by: Erdley, her bags packed at April 06, 2015 07:39 PM (oVJmc)
Even if a U.S. Supreme Court ruling this spring makes same-sex marriage the law, it would leave pockets of the country where it isn't likely to be recognized any time soon: the reservations of a handful of sovereign Native American tribes, including the nation's two largest.
Since 2011, as the number of states recognizing such unions spiked to 37, at least six smaller tribes have revisited and let stand laws that define marriage as being between a man and a woman, according to an Associated Press review of tribal records. In all, tribes with a total membership approaching 1 million won't recognize marriages between two men or two women.
Several explicitly declare that same-sex marriages are prohibited. And some have even toughened their stance.
In December, just weeks after North Carolina began issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples, the state's Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians updated its law to add language preventing gay couples from having marriage ceremonies performed on tribal land. The resolution changing the law, which passed 8-1, says court cases around the country prompted the tribe of about 13,000 enrolled members to review its own laws.
The Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma and the Navajo Nation, with about 300,000 members each, maintain decade-old laws that don't recognize same-sex marriage. Neither tribe has shown much
Posted by: zombie at April 06, 2015 07:39 PM (K4YiS)
Well, CO2 is twice as dangerous as CO, thus the 2.
Duh.
Anyways, shut up.
Posted by: MSM, catering to LIVs at April 06, 2015 07:39 PM (AkOaV)
Oh, that's freaking hilarious.
The Cherokees are the largest tribe in the US.
And the rest of the tribes listed are large, well known tribes as well.
But yeah, they're just a bunch of nobodies. Let's send them some blankets or something, amirite?
Posted by: Lauren at April 06, 2015 07:39 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: zombie at April 06, 2015 07:40 PM (K4YiS)
Who?
We've moved on.
Dude, that was like 2 years ago.
Posted by: MSM, catering to LIVs at April 06, 2015 07:40 PM (AkOaV)
Exactly. My guess is they are looking at numbers and going "well that's like a tenth the population of Manhattan, dahling, its nobody!"
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 07:41 PM (39g3+)
Tribal law trumps US Law with someone in a conversation about the
possible establishment of a Sharia Court here in the Dallas area."
Funny, I was just discussing the Tribal law trumps US law thing with my good friend, Art Mooney. Know him?
Posted by: Ford Fairlaine, Rock n Roll detective at April 06, 2015 07:41 PM (amQXf)
I hadn't realized that the shuttle _Columbia_ had been traveling at 18 times the speed of light when it broke up, until I was helpfully informed of that fact by CNN.
Jeez, maybe that's what happened to the missing Malaysian airliner. CNN have already had their on-air talent speculate that perhaps the pilots "accidentally" flew the plane out of the atmosphere.
So... perhaps they then tried to fly the 777 back from space, but were going too many multiples of lightspeed, and the plane burned up on re-entry. That's *got* to be it.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 06, 2015 07:41 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at April 06, 2015 07:41 PM (tAS+t)
Posted by: MSM, catering to LIVs at April 06, 2015 07:42 PM (AkOaV)
Assumed but not included: But hey, try us.
Posted by: Cherokee Mission Statement at April 06, 2015 07:43 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: SJW with an Ivy League Degree at April 06, 2015 07:43 PM (qNZ3I)
Shit, that's nothing. The Falcon made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs.
Posted by: Han Solo at April 06, 2015 07:43 PM (AkOaV)
CO2."
Yes, the Infotainment Industry is a delight.
Gell-Mann Amnesia, Anyone?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 06, 2015 07:44 PM (1CroS)
insignificant group of throwbacks" when they are actually quite large
tribes."
'Course, the tribes remember what happened to 'em last time they fucked with the US Government. Not sayin', just sayin'.
Won't wed queers?
Trail of tears!
Posted by: The Left at April 06, 2015 07:44 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Snoodling World Champ 1997 at April 06, 2015 07:44 PM (Q819Q)
Posted by: Fritz at April 06, 2015 07:45 PM (ty633)
The Enterprise could push Warp 10, you know
Posted by: William T Riker, with beard at April 06, 2015 07:45 PM (AkOaV)
But they'll just shrug and ignore it. Native Americans aren't their target.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 07:45 PM (39g3+)
CO2."
Yes, the Infotainment Industry is a delight.
Gell-Mann Amnesia, Anyone?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 06, 2015 07:44 PM (1CroS)
We love Science! For its body, not its mind, obviously.
Posted by: LIVs and MSM hittin' on science at April 06, 2015 07:46 PM (LiMbk)
Posted by: Committee of Chant Approval at April 06, 2015 07:46 PM (K4YiS)
@benshapiro @KevinNR @charlescwcooke so laws saying restaurants
can't have cockroaches--you think of as govt "forcing" businesses to
clean?
This kind of stupid isn't just lack of intelligence, it's pathology. Her brain cannot conceive of anything that does not reinforce her biases.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at April 06, 2015 07:35 PM (oVJmc)
I think she just made the case for "free market" capitalism.
Posted by: Golfman at April 06, 2015 07:46 PM (48QDY)
threat of someone showing up at your house with a fire arm, pointing it
at you, tackling you, and stuffing you in to a cage if you don't comply.<<<<
Have you ever seen "Brazil"?
When the agents of the overly complex non functioning dystopia come to arrest you they just go ahead and zip you up in a body bag with a face hole so you can answer questions and then hang you from a luggage rack so they can just roll you from bureaucrat to bureaucrat.
It is the only thing in their society that actually works.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at April 06, 2015 07:46 PM (MkQKr)
It would be hard to do worse than the individual who's doing it now.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/qezcxv9
Posted by: torquewrench at April 06, 2015 07:46 PM (noWW6)
identity. She is no longer the victim. She is the aggressor. The
fraternity is the victim but it is now too late to shield them."
Let the punishment fit the crime, baby!
Posted by: Some beered up dudes with a glass table at April 06, 2015 07:47 PM (amQXf)
NOW IT IS AN AIR INDIA CO-PILOT WHO IS MENTALLY DERANGED, ENGAGING IN A COCKPIT BRAWL WITH THE PILOT.
TOMORROW A QANTAS CO-PILOT???
EUROPE, ASIA, AUSTRALIA? ONLY FOUR MORE CONTINENTS TO GO AFTER THAT.
Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at April 06, 2015 07:47 PM (EMi53)
Many of the tribes have already given up / not really had real sovereignty.
For example, the casino tribes in CT have to follow CT state laws in regards to drinking ages, hours they can serve booze, drug laws, etc. and have CT state cops who work in the casino and enforce CT state laws.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 07:47 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: SJW with an Ivy League Degree at April 06, 2015 07:43 PM (qNZ3I)
With some loaded casinos
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 06, 2015 07:47 PM (Xehhp)
Posted by: Prehinsile Reporter at April 06, 2015 07:47 PM (JdEZJ)
including Yelp! do way more to ensure sanity facilities in restaurants
then government bureaucrats."
Sanity facilities? Well, shit.
Posted by: Crazy Eddie's Burger Shack at April 06, 2015 07:48 PM (amQXf)
Haven't seen it.
Sounds efficient though.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 07:49 PM (AkOaV)
As long as you don't have to discard 50%...okay 75% of the facts, you can still point to the other facts. I mean, there really is a University of Virginia and the fraternity accused does actually exist...for now. And everyone knows that every female college student get raped 5 times while at school... I am sure I read that somewhere.
Suggesting a reporter only report what actually happened is just so 20th century and everyone knows how bad white male privilege was in the 20th century.
Your Media Lords (or Ladies, as the case should be.)
Posted by: JB1000 at April 06, 2015 07:49 PM (WLJbV)
That's usually because they build casinos on non-tribal land. But yeah, they've ceded some sovereignty in some areas for the fat paychecks. And its insane the money that pours in from those things to the tribes.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 07:50 PM (39g3+)
When the agents of the overly complex non functioning dystopia come to arrest you they just go ahead and zip you up in a body bag with a face hole so you can answer questions and then hang you from a luggage rack so they can just roll you from bureaucrat to bureaucrat.
It is the only thing in their society that actually works.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living************************************But I came here for an argument!
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 06, 2015 07:50 PM (0x/TW)
What's an -ar or two among friends?
Besides, I didn't want to microagress anyone by using those letters together and conjuring up the image of assault weapons.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 07:50 PM (AkOaV)
Uh, isn't the parsec a unit of distance, not time?
Posted by: Chris Griffin at April 06, 2015 07:50 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at April 06, 2015 07:50 PM (MkQKr)
Posted by: zombie at April 06, 2015 07:51 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Prehinsile Reporter at April 06, 2015 07:51 PM (JdEZJ)
No, I believe the deal was struck when the state built a highway through the middle of nowhere to Mohegan Suns front door.
They also get 25% of all slot machine revenue right off the top.
Our governments know a thing or two about exploiting the indians, let me tell you that.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 07:51 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: zombie at April 06, 2015 07:53 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 06, 2015 07:54 PM (0x/TW)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 06, 2015 07:54 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: Haven Monahan at April 06, 2015 07:54 PM (xqbRO)
Like fishing any time they damn well please without no stinking license.
Posted by: Cherokee Mission Statement at April 06, 2015 07:54 PM (MYCIw)
Oh, one of the left's pet minorities is clashing with another pet minority? Pass the popcorn.
This must really piss off the SJWs. All the screeching they've done about the Washington Redskins and this is the thanks they get?
Heh.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at April 06, 2015 07:55 PM (+XMAD)
Posted by: Prehinsile Reporter at April 06, 2015 07:55 PM (JdEZJ)
"I mean who in their right mind would question a rape victim?"
"Nobody except right wing Limbaugh Wackos"
"Exactly, we have to run this story - it's too important"
Posted by: reality man at April 06, 2015 07:55 PM (BNEdd)
Its like the scene in Sin City where Powers Booth explains to Bruce Willis what real power is.
https://youtu.be/w1DqgQkxjIg
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 07:55 PM (39g3+)
I thought it was a vegetable.
Tomato Parsec.
Posted by: wooga at April 06, 2015 07:56 PM (xqbRO)
"Why, if all the rich people would just share their stuff, there wouldn't be any poor people. Why don't the grownups see that?"
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at April 06, 2015 07:57 PM (+XMAD)
Posted by: despair at April 06, 2015 07:58 PM (J6suc)
Hello?
His goddamn brother ran him over!
What a bunch of tools...
Posted by: HH at April 06, 2015 07:58 PM (Ce4DF)
Posted by: Stuff Sally Kohn Said About God at April 06, 2015 07:59 PM (qNZ3I)
Yes but George Lucas is an ignoramous. Later books retrofit that to make it make sense. See, hyperspace runs are like a maze, and if you can find a more direct, shorter path through the various hyperspace lanes you can make a trip faster than others.
So the Falcon, they explained, had better hyperspace charts and knew shortcuts other places didn't: fewer parsecs to reach the place than other ships.
Basically fanboys wanted it to make sense and worked hard to come up with an explanation that worked. And now its official Star Wars canon on how hyperspace works.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 08:00 PM (39g3+)
But the Left *did* push hard from all directions at the time. Rather's bullsh!t coincidentally came out at the same time as the "Fortunate Son" series of Kerry campaign ads. The election was going to be Kerry the Purple Hearted war hero who served in Vietnam, versus Bush the chickenhawk AWOL brat who didn't but who was sending our boys to die in Iraq.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 06, 2015 08:01 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: Dash Gashsmasher at April 06, 2015 08:02 PM (0cMkb)
posers
Posted by: Pangea at April 06, 2015 08:02 PM (fUjxW)
Basically fanboys wanted it to make sense and worked hard to come up with an explanation that worked. And now its official Star Wars canon on how hyperspace works.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Wouldn't it have been simpler and make more sense to just say that it was a timed event and the Falcon made it 12 parsecs in the time allotted?
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 06, 2015 08:03 PM (GuwT9)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 06, 2015 08:04 PM (J0IP0)
Yes. And if the left truly believed that college campuses had a higher rape rate then most of the most lawless shit holes in the third world, they would not be encouraging young women to go there, nor offering federal loans to send women somewhere where they have a better chance of getting raped then they do of graduating.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 08:04 PM (AkOaV)
I was just ask how long it would be before you showed up in the comments.
Posted by: Grey Fox at April 06, 2015 08:04 PM (a42f0)
Han was bragging about was *under* 12 parsecs, not over.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 06, 2015 08:05 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 06, 2015 08:01 PM
Least dignified, most laughable moment in politics I can remember has got to be one of these three:
1. "I'm John Kerry and I'm reporting for duty."
2. "Bitch set me up."
3. "YEEEEAAAAUGH!!!!"
Posted by: Splunge at April 06, 2015 08:05 PM (qyomX)
No, the kessel run goes around the maw (a big black hole), so you have to be really fast to trim some parsecs of distance off and not get sucked in to the maw. In essence, you have to be fast enough to outrun the gravitational pull of a black hole. Slower and smarter ships gave it a healthy clearance, faster ships got as close as possible without getting sucked in.
/i denounce myself for my nerdiness.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 08:06 PM (AkOaV)
So the Falcon, they explained, had better hyperspace charts and knew shortcuts other places didn't: fewer parsecs to reach the place than other ships.
Basically fanboys wanted it to make sense and worked hard to come up with an explanation that worked. And now its official Star Wars canon on how hyperspace works.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Or, just the easier reply; Lucas just liked the sound of the term, and there's no reason why our 20th century Earth terminology must absolutely match with the terminology of a "long, long time ago in a galaxy, far, far away."
If you mistake Star Wars for a series of science lectures, well, padawan, not even the Force can help you.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2015 08:07 PM (Yp6Vn)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo
My bad. I guess the moral of the story is: don't try to make sense of George Lucas dialog.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 06, 2015 08:07 PM (GuwT9)
They did, but it wasn't coordinated and focused, and they didn't have the Social Justice Warrior brigade on social media. They didn't focus on this event and push it through, they were all over the place and it ended up looking just ridiculous. They learned from that event. They saw everyone on the right laughing at them and posting at once and how that spread and forced its self not just into the news but into the public consciousness through social media.
Now since they don't have truth on their side, they have to gin up outrage and response, they have to pay people to post and generate the anger. But they learned.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 08:08 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Han Ponytail at April 06, 2015 08:09 PM (AVEe1)
Or his pick-up lines:
"I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything is soft and smooth."
Posted by: Splunge at April 06, 2015 08:09 PM (qyomX)
Posted by: steevy at April 06, 2015 08:09 PM (KETbL)
Right so it would have made total sense if he said the Falcon made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsnips.
Posted by: Prehinsile Reporter at April 06, 2015 08:09 PM (JdEZJ)
Why is her name still kept obfuscated?
I'm still unsure as to what her real name is and I'd bet a lot of other people aren't either.
She should not be rewarded with further "protection" from criticism or mockery.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 06, 2015 08:10 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: Fehinista at April 06, 2015 08:10 PM (g/zj9)
Yeah, they accurately translated all the rest of the dialog and text from this alternate galaxy aeons ago except that one term, that's the ticket. It meant something different back then, Lucas wasn't a doofus who used a term he didn't understand then people scrambled to make it work.
That's the most likely explaination. Got it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 08:11 PM (39g3+)
I like the simpler explanation that Han Solo was just BSing.
It's not like he has a degree in Astrophysics or anything. He just drives a junky spaceship.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 06, 2015 08:11 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 06, 2015 08:12 PM (Cq0oW)
Jackie almost got innocent men condemned to PMITA prison. She is an attempted rapist.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 06, 2015 08:12 PM (AVEe1)
Right so it would have made total sense if he said the Falcon made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsnips.
Posted by: Prehinsile Reporter
Ham Salad would agree.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2015 08:13 PM (Yp6Vn)
Posted by: PedanticJoe at April 06, 2015 08:13 PM (PhNHa)
Yeah, I think he's on board to shoot. I seem to recall a sense that Chewbacca was the one who know how to actually fly the thing.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 06, 2015 08:13 PM (J0IP0)
Posted by: Fehinista at April 06, 2015 08:14 PM (g/zj9)
Bows the Indian was told he had to move. Mistaking a doctor's office for his landlord's he entered and declared: "Bows no move!"
The doctor gives Bows some pills and says "This should solve your problem, come back and see me in a week."
Bows comes back and declares; "Bows still no move!"
Doctor says: "OK, OK, here take these pills and come back in a week."
Bows comes back a week later and declares: "Bows gotta move, tepee fulla shit!"
Posted by: your friendly Ex-Lax representative at April 06, 2015 08:15 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Crystal Mangum at April 06, 2015 08:15 PM (qNZ3I)
I think the prequels are a wonderful service to film makers and would-be authors everywhere. They are such a clinic in how not to write. Awful dialog, flat characters, incomprehensible plots, unmemorable bad guys, it was a festival in errors. Just perfect for knowing what to avoid.
Want to write a romance? Watch Episode II and study how Lucas did it. Don't do that. For the love of all that is holy, don't do that.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 08:15 PM (39g3+)
Jackie almost got innocent men condemned to PMITA prison. She is an attempted rapist.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo
Naming me in the article is like raping me all over again. Socking me in the comments is like trying to sneak it in my squeak-hole during doggy, i.e. I'm kinda ok with it, but I'll complain about it afterwards.
Posted by: Jackie Coakley at April 06, 2015 08:15 PM (GuwT9)
Lock Lucas in a room & play a bunch of old black & white Japanese movies while people with talent write & direct stuff with his name on it.
And no damned teddy bears!
Posted by: Snoodling World Champ 1997 at April 06, 2015 08:16 PM (Q819Q)
Posted by: Luke Saladtosser at April 06, 2015 08:17 PM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: Tawana Brawley at April 06, 2015 08:17 PM (qNZ3I)
Yeah it would have worked a lot better. Now, probably Ben Kenobi would know better (but how was Han to know this dusty old hermit would?) and Luke was just a little twerp. Han was an amazing pilot, incredible pilot but not exactly an expert with tech.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 08:17 PM (39g3+)
That's the most likely explanation. Got it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Oh, Lucas is a doofus for sure, but the quotation marks in my reply weren't just a flourish, compadre. It's a fucking movie. Not even a science fiction movie.
The point of PARSECKS AIN'T THIENCE! is interesting if you're 12.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2015 08:18 PM (Yp6Vn)
Posted by: lowandslow at April 06, 2015 08:18 PM (OBbk5)
Posted by: Yogurt at April 06, 2015 08:20 PM (39g3+)
Normally, I would go with John Christian Falkenberg Sharkman, but . . .
Posted by: Sharkman at April 06, 2015 08:20 PM (NqZeU)
If you mistake Star Wars for a series of science lectures, well, padawan, not even the Force can help you.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2015 08:07 PM (Yp6Vn)
I was a bit of an astronomy geek as a kid (thanks to my father) and so when I saw Star Wars during its first theater run, the whole parsec comment stood out as an error to me. But hey it was a 70s sci-fi movie and Lucas used an astronomical term that sounded cool and that 99.8% of the viewers would have no clue about and happened to get it wrong. Big whoop. No point in retconning the entire universe to make it NOT be a Lucas goof.
Posted by: Maetenloch at April 06, 2015 08:21 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: Fritz at April 06, 2015 08:22 PM (ty633)
Posted by: Sharkman at April 06, 2015 08:24 PM (NqZeU)
Normally, I would go with John Christian Falkenberg Sharkman, but . . .
Posted by: Sharkman at April 06, 2015 08:20 PM (NqZeU)
You can get U snipped. Lucky you didn't have you ovaries yanked
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 06, 2015 08:24 PM (Xehhp)
As spouted by the liar-in-chief?
Where is the reporting on that? What department at Columbia, which by the way has the liar-in-chief's transcripts as sealed as an Iranian centrifuge bunker, would do the research and make the report?
Posted by: the littl shyning man at April 06, 2015 08:24 PM (U6f54)
shorter path through the various hyperspace lanes you can make a trip
faster than others.
So the Falcon, they explained, had better hyperspace charts and knew
shortcuts other places didn't: fewer parsecs to reach the place than
other ships."
Even that is a bullshit explanation. The Kessel Run is a proper noun - it's a fixed thing - if you find shortcuts, you're doing not doing the Kessel run. It's like taking a shortcut in The Boston Marathon - if you do it, you didn't run The Boston Marathon.
Posted by: Chris Griffin at April 06, 2015 08:25 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 08:25 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Insomniac at April 06, 2015 08:25 PM (mx5oN)
Rolling Stone, and its Editors, and authors, WANTED a Rape Story... went out looking for one... thought they had found one...
So willingly and knowingly Published crap... because it was the only story which 'fit' their preconceived idea of what the story had to be.
Its the same with the Pizza Shop story... they went looking an MANUFACTURED a story...
We give the media extra Protections in the Constitution... called Freedom of the Press... but it is NOT Freedom to lie without consequence. It is not Freedom to act like you are telling a truth, when you are just making up stories.
Posted by: BB Wolf at April 06, 2015 08:25 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Jackie Chokely at April 06, 2015 08:27 PM (xqbRO)
Posted by: PedanticJoe at April 06, 2015 08:27 PM (PhNHa)
native Americans are few in number because killed by whites, so they're forced to forbid gay marriage because extinction, h8rs
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 06, 2015 08:27 PM (Cq0oW)
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Darryl Moir
And if you live in that town burn the fucking flower shop down and take a stand against hate.
Apr 6, 2015 at 4:32 pm
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Really..., "..take a stand against hate". There may be a certain absence of self awareness there. I would comment further, but Godwin's Law would be invoked.
Posted by: Liz Warren at April 06, 2015 08:28 PM (l1zOH)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 06, 2015 08:28 PM (l1zOH)
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Darryl Moir
And if you live in that town burn the fucking flower shop down and take a stand against hate.
Apr 6, 2015 at 4:32 pm
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Really..., "..take a stand against hate". There may be a certain absence of self awareness there. I would comment further, but Godwin's Law would be invoked.
Posted by: Liz Warren at April 06, 2015 08:28 PM (l1zOH)
We're already in Kristallnacht 2.0. It's only a matter of time before 3.0 gets released.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 06, 2015 08:29 PM (mx5oN)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 06, 2015 08:29 PM (Xehhp)
I sense some confusion in this one.
Posted by: Luke Saladtosser at April 06, 2015 08:29 PM (JdEZJ)
To the left, its only hate if you disagree with them. Like racism can only be done by whites in their demented calculus, hate can only be done by their ideological foes.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 08:30 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 06, 2015 08:30 PM (0NdlF)
Holy crap, there really is Han Chewbacca slash fiction.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 06, 2015 08:31 PM (J0IP0)
One of my daughters is at UVa. She told us last fall that some friends belonged toPhi Kappa Psi guys and that the RS story did not match what she knew about them. Texts from her today:
" I'm glad Columbia did the review, I hope Phi Kappa Psi gets a ton of defamation money"
"Would like to see Rolling Stone go down"
"Glad they had to publish that they are a journalistic failure"
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at April 06, 2015 08:31 PM (RKDDh)
I gotta say, Haven Monahan is at least a better name than Carlos Danger."
Yeah, but it's not as fly as Ron Mexico. That shit's tight.
Posted by: Michael Vick at April 06, 2015 08:32 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: PedanticJoe at April 06, 2015 08:32 PM (PhNHa)
Posted by: Dana Barrett at April 06, 2015 08:33 PM (+1T7c)
Like I said upthread, the books explain it like this:
The flight from Kessel back to the core worlds (or whatever) went past a black hole called The Maw. You needed to be going really fast to escape its gravitational pull.
So slow ships took a wider course around it, faster and ballsier ships past closer, which could shave a lot of distance (and time) off, but could also end with the ship being pulled in to the Maw.
And yes, I'm embarrassed to know / remember that.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 08:33 PM (AkOaV)
What, like your vaj?
Posted by: The Tusken Raider that triggered the massacre at April 06, 2015 08:33 PM (amQXf)
Really..., "..take a stand against hate". There may be a certain absence of self awareness there. I would comment further, but Godwin's Law would be invoked.
Posted by: Liz Warren at April 06, 2015 08:28 PM (l1zOH)
People who are so dead certain of their own virtue and the depravity of their adversary are capable of anything.
Posted by: rickl at April 06, 2015 08:34 PM (sdi6R)
Always say things like highly placed sources or sources close to the investigation, it is much more professional
Posted by: righter at April 06, 2015 08:34 PM (7aYhc)
Or "senior congressional staffers" and "senior administration staffers" work, too.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 08:35 PM (AkOaV)
I'll take things I didn't need to know for $5,000, please.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 06, 2015 08:36 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 06, 2015 08:36 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: Lance Bonesteel at April 06, 2015 08:36 PM (qNZ3I)
Posted by: PedanticJoe
Suspension of disbelieve is dependent upon: A ) an engrossing setting, and B ) a plot that doesn't treat the audience as a bunch of knuckleheads.
Point A may be a matter of taste. Point B rarely is.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2015 08:37 PM (Yp6Vn)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 08:37 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 08:38 PM (39g3+)
Erdely was not told the "rapists" name was Haven Monahan. Jackie made up a new name and point of first contact for her "rapist" by then.
New rapist, the only one Erdely ever heard of by name, until her friends came forward, had a new identity altogether.
Jackie had already reinvented her "frat date" as an upperclassman co-worker at a pool.
That kid got dragged through the mud on gossip boards at UVA, btw.
Police found a young man with a very similar name to "NewRapist" worked at an aquatic center and belonged to a frat (though not THE frat).
That kid had to get a lawyer. He was completely open and cooperated fully, but he had counsel to sit by his side - a lawyer with a fee.
He opened up his personal life, his bank records, his credit card records, to show no sign of having taken a girl out to the upscale restaurant she'd made a big deal about. He had to answer embarrasing and personal question and endure time consuming interviews to clear himself.
That was a REAL kid, not some picture on a phone. And not Haven.
Erdely only found out about Haven later on, when the story started coming apart.
Posted by: SarahW at April 06, 2015 08:39 PM (lv2k0)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 06, 2015 08:37 PM (39g3+)
Yes, or "some of your critics" works in a pinch, too.
Or even the generic "some (people)", which is a very versatile source and can be deployed in many scenarios.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 08:39 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Prezidizzle Obizzle at April 06, 2015 08:40 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Insomniac at April 06, 2015 08:40 PM (mx5oN)
*wasn't intended as an ethnic slur against Italian immigrants, BTW
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2015 08:40 PM (Yp6Vn)
Didn't we have a contrarian here once called "Warren Bonesteel"? Kind of a pre-Moo MooMoo.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 06, 2015 08:40 PM (AVEe1)
Yes. There was a real guy she fingered in later tellings of the stories.
The Haven Monahan comes from the original tellings of the story, when she tried to get Ryan / Randall to bang her by inventing a fake hook up buddy who exchanged emails with Ryan / Randall under the name "Haven Monahan".
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 08:41 PM (AkOaV)
Man, if my parents named me JewRapist, I'd be sorta pissed.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 06, 2015 08:41 PM (amQXf)
One thing that was cool, was that when she joined them he sent fresh turkeys to all the new employees at Thanksgiving. So I got a Thanksgiving dinner from him. Other thing is when my sister moved from L.A. to Marin, Lucas covered all the moving costs. So that was cool.
Funny thing is, after all these years, my sister and her friends who worked for him refer to themselves as 'The Lucas Whores'.
That's always cracked me up.
Posted by: HH at April 06, 2015 08:41 PM (Ce4DF)
Posted by: Insomniac at April 06, 2015 08:42 PM (mx5oN)
Apr 6, 2015 at 4:32 pm
Who sells good irony meters? I need a new one; the one I had just spontaneously exploded.
Posted by: OregonMuse at April 06, 2015 08:42 PM (I8YZX)
My given name is "David". My parents already kinda did.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 06, 2015 08:43 PM (AVEe1)
I would cut as many parsecs off THAT run as I could.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 08:43 PM (AkOaV)
Apr 6, 2015 at 4:32 pm
Who sells good irony meters? I need a new one; the one I had just spontaneously exploded.
Posted by: OregonMuse at April 06, 2015 08:42 PM (I8YZX)
Kill those fuckers in the name of tolerance! Wait, wut?
Posted by: Insomniac at April 06, 2015 08:43 PM (mx5oN)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 08:43 PM (AkOaV)
Erdely only found out about Haven later on, when the story started coming apart.
Posted by: SarahW
We know our son Haven could never be so roguish as to take part in a rape. We shall fight this stain upon the honor of the noble House of Monahan.
Posted by: Harkov and Dutressa Monahan, model parents at April 06, 2015 08:44 PM (GuwT9)
Yeah, I remember that guy. Maybe M-M is his new nic.
Posted by: OregonMuse at April 06, 2015 08:44 PM (I8YZX)
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at April 06, 2015 08:46 PM (+1T7c)
Posted by: PedanticJoe at April 06, 2015 08:46 PM (PhNHa)
It would be 12 miles by the odometer on the vehicle.
BTW Yoda knows everything. You can't do shit without him watching.
Posted by: Luke Saladtosser at April 06, 2015 08:46 PM (JdEZJ)
One thing I'd like to know: Who is Jackie? She isn't a victim, so who is this liar? Shouldn't she be prosecuted as well, and maybe more so for lying about something so disgusting and horrendous as a gang rape? This is serious stuff, people.
Posted by: Mistress Overdone at April 06, 2015 08:48 PM (2/oBD)
That's the "official" explanation for Lucas' stupid dialogue choices.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 06, 2015 08:49 PM (S8V5R)
Well, shut up.
Space is complicated, you wouldn't get it, it doesn't matter anyways, its the past, and fuck you.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Posted by: George Lucas smoking a cigar handrolled in 100 bills at April 06, 2015 08:50 PM (AkOaV)
Not Without My Vagina: The UVA Rape Story (2016)
Cast overview, first billed only:
"Jackie" -- Maia Mitchell
Haven Monahan -- Alex Pettyfer
Jjaann Weiner -- Nathan Lane
IMDB.com
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 06, 2015 08:51 PM (kdS6q)
Her name and biographical details are fairly well known at this point, but for some reason polite company still refuses to name her.
Even though she's no longer suspected of being a rape victim.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 08:51 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 08:51 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: PedanticJoe at April 06, 2015 08:51 PM (PhNHa)
Posted by: Luke Saladtosser
Except that he's sitting in the same room as a Sith lord. Other than that...
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 06, 2015 08:52 PM (GuwT9)
known at this point, but for some reason polite company still refuses to
name her.
Even though she's no longer suspected of being a rape victim.
Posted by: mynewhandle
It's Amanda Knox. Isn't that right?
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at April 06, 2015 08:53 PM (+1T7c)
Jackie Coakley is a "rape crisis" counselor (activist) at U.Va.
Posted by: OregonMuse at April 06, 2015 08:53 PM (I8YZX)
Posted by: PedanticJoe at April 06, 2015 08:53 PM (PhNHa)
You laugh, but there's a real Mary Mapes movie, "Truth". Starring Galadriel as Mapes, and Dustin Hoffman's costar in "Ishtar" as Rather.
Produced by Mythology Entertainment.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 06, 2015 08:54 PM (AVEe1)
No, Jackie and RS and others are not guilty of a criminal offense.
But there is a 50/50 chance they will be guilty in civil court for the tort of defamation, more specifically libel.
I say 50/50, because it will come down to whether or not the fraternity is a public figure or not. If they are a public figure, then they have to prove malice... which is very difficult to do.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 08:54 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo
Not so much a contrarian as an angry RuPaul/Leftist twat masquerading as a stormfrnt jackboot.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2015 08:54 PM (Yp6Vn)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 06, 2015 08:55 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: OregonMuse at April 06, 2015 08:53 PM (I8YZX)
Yes, and notably she was a counselor before she was approached by RS.
Which means she's spent years using her (fake) story to counsel (and presumably console) girls who went through (presumably) real rapes. And probably gave enough details to these real rape victims they walked around campus thinking there were fraternities full of rapists surrounding them at all times.
What a great person.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 08:56 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: steevy at April 06, 2015 08:56 PM (KETbL)
Posted by: weft cut-loop
Wasn't he a crossdresser too?
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at April 06, 2015 08:56 PM (+1T7c)
stunning
Posted by: Pseudonym X at April 06, 2015 08:57 PM (vNlkp)
They are also the people who feel better about themselves after stoning the infidel. Which rolling stone did.
Rolling stone wont admit wrongdoing at least in part because they don't feel like they did anything wrong. If anything, they perfectly followed their business model.
Posted by: Formerly atnorth at April 06, 2015 08:57 PM (7Oo+W)
So a wookie named chuey is running against the Tiny Dancer in Chi-town.
And the wookie's real name is Hay-zeus ?
Is he kin of the Mooch?
Posted by: seamrog at April 06, 2015 08:57 PM (Yr18T)
Posted by: Buzzion at April 06, 2015 08:57 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 06, 2015 08:58 PM (AVEe1)
No. i've seen the original script (its available online).
Pros were brought in to basically write an entirely new story that's only slightly similar to Lucas's original script, which was horrendous.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 08:58 PM (AkOaV)
Not Without My Vagina: The UVA Rape Story (2016)
Cast overview, first billed only:
Rape -- Zero Mostel
The University of Virgina Campus -- Melissa McCarthy
Scarlet Pimpernell -- Curtis "Booger" Armstrong
IMDB.com
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 06, 2015 08:59 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: mynewhandle
If I remember correctly, she joined a rape awareness/activist group as soon as she got on campus, months before her "rape".
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 06, 2015 08:59 PM (GuwT9)
If you read their apology, that's basically what they say.
That the reporter was writing a narrative (they use that word), came across a story that fit it, and ran with it, but that it doesn't diminish the truth of the narrative. Just because THIS story was false, the narrative is still true.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 08:59 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: PedanticJoe at April 06, 2015 09:00 PM (PhNHa)
It will probably be awesome, and once again prove that Lucas has the Mierdas Touch
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 06, 2015 09:00 PM (AVEe1)
I got the impression from the interview with her roommate that she joined the counselor group AFTER her "rape" but I'm not sure that was explicitly said, now that you mention it.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 09:00 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix
I was this close to getting that part.
Posted by: Brian Dennehy at April 06, 2015 09:01 PM (GuwT9)
Well her only public statements that they have against her that I know of are the ones printed in Rolling Stone.
I THINK that's still libel, since it's printed in the magazine, but I suppose it may be slander since she said it to RS and they reprinted.
but I don't think anyone will be suing Jackie, i DOUBT she has any money worth going after. RS and the school are where the money is at.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 09:02 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Pseudonym X at April 06, 2015 09:02 PM (vNlkp)
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 09:03 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2015 06:32 PM (St6BJ)Ok, my first thought was an image of Alexthechick standing on top of her
of her boss' desk holding up a newspaper and jumping up and down
begging "please, oh please can we get this case. PLEEEEEAAASE!"
Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 06, 2015 06:33 PM (OiH3z)
Bra-less trampoline bouncing would seal the deal. Guaranteed.
Posted by: all Morons, everywhere at April 06, 2015 09:03 PM (sgEck)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 06, 2015 09:05 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: mynewhandle
She joined the rape victim support group and became a counselor after her "rape", but I'm pretty sure she joined an anti-rape activist group just about the minute she set foot on campus.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at April 06, 2015 09:05 PM (GuwT9)
Posted by: madamemayhem at April 06, 2015 09:08 PM (WPm3x)
Posted by: PedanticJoe at April 06, 2015 09:08 PM (PhNHa)
Not Without My Vagina: The UVA Rape Story (2016)
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Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 06, 2015 09:10 PM (kdS6q)
Uses for dead (or live)Tribbles
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 06, 2015 07:54 PM (0x/TW)
Better than sponges for swabbing out the barrels of muzzle-loading cannons!
Posted by: all Morons, everywhere at April 06, 2015 09:30 PM (sgEck)
hole), so you have to be really fast to trim some parsecs of distance
off and not get sucked in to the maw. In essence, you have to be fast
enough to outrun the gravitational pull of a black hole. Slower and
smarter ships gave it a healthy clearance, faster ships got as close as
possible without getting sucked in.
/i denounce myself for my nerdiness.
Posted by: mynewhandle at April 06, 2015 08:06 PM (AkOaV)
And who knows if the gravity well of a black hole even exists in hyperspace?
Posted by: all Morons, everywhere at April 06, 2015 09:35 PM (sgEck)
Posted by: Demosthenes at April 06, 2015 09:38 PM (kNw9i)
I think that's important. Jackie's hoax was already widespread enough before the RS article that Erdely was able to originally hear about it second-hand just by calling up somebody at the school.
That's why the "only 2-8% of rape allegations turn out to be fake" statistic being thrown around lately is misleading. It only includes rape allegations in which a police report was filed. It doesn't speak to the frequency of the type of situation we're dealing with here; where a girl makes false rape allegations yet never files a police report, and is still able to do plenty of unwarranted damage.
Posted by: Cole at April 06, 2015 10:03 PM (Np/wP)
Posted by: tester at April 06, 2015 10:05 PM (0r/VP)
Posted by: docweasel at April 06, 2015 10:10 PM (0r/VP)
Posted by: John the Libertarian at April 06, 2015 10:15 PM (Jk/zI)
Jackie doesn't have a gue organization researching, writing, editing, legally vetting, printing, publicizing and distributing her lies all over the world. RS does.
There's a responsibility not to damage people's lives and reputations when you have that kind of power, no matter if it does help the narrative you want to spread.
Posted by: docweasel at April 06, 2015 10:19 PM (0r/VP)
Posted by: Sidney Allen Johnson at April 07, 2015 09:21 AM (nYoAx)
The ultimate problem was that - like with the recent "pizza place wont serve gay weddings" story ... this 'journalist' was TROLLING FOR A NARRATIVE. She didn't want to fact-check this, she wanted a story and was hunting until she found one:
"The problem with 'A Rape on Campus' wasn't that Rolling Stone was expertly taken in. Erdely travelled around the country rejecting real reports until she found a fake one she liked. The problem wasn't process....
... had even one person at Rolling Stone asked 'How do we know this is true?' the entire thing would have unravelled."
The goal was never truth, the goal was NARRATIVE, of the feministy men-are-inherent-rapists variety.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at April 07, 2015 03:16 PM (FLBHk)
the Purple Hearted war hero who served in Vietnam, versus Bush the
chickenhawk AWOL brat who didn't but who was sending our boys to die in
Iraq."
The let got UBER-ticked off that the tactics they use all the time were used against one of their own in the swiftboating saga. Kerry's biography became an achor rather than an asset.
swift boat veteran plus pajama-bloggers undid the 1-2 punch of the Democrat machine.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at April 07, 2015 03:19 PM (FLBHk)
the actual recounting of jackies "ordeal". I wouldn't be surprised if
the "story" was written before they found jackie, then they went back
and filled in the details."
Yes, indeed, this was a 'story' where the narrative came from DNC/SJW 'messaging central' and it was all about proving the 'narrative' that was part of the DNC/SJW/leftist agenda du jour. She had her story *FIRST* and was just finding people to 'fill in the blanks', including that campus feminist loons who are into false accusations as victim-claiming.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at April 07, 2015 03:27 PM (FLBHk)
feel like they did anything wrong. If anything, they perfectly followed
their business model."
The business model is to be the fake news mouthpiece for the fake narratives of SJW / feminist / leftist c*nts who populate our 'elitist' institutions like parasitic grifters and ruin our culture, society and universe with their lies?
Let 'em burn.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at April 07, 2015 03:34 PM (FLBHk)
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