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Emergency Backup Gun Thread [Weirddave]
Nothing much seems to be in the hopper right now, so here's stuff I've bookmarked over the past few weeks.
Gun of the Week
Gunhinged
Points for honesty, I suppose. Insane, but honest.
Concealed Carry
Passerby With Concealed Carry Permit Stops Slaughter In Philly
It always boggles my mind that so many people just can't seem to understand two basic things. #1 Gun laws are useless as a method of stopping criminals from carrying guns because criminals by definition ignore laws, and #2 people who apply for CCPs are the law abiding, again by definition. They are also those most likely to accept the responsibility to step up and do the right thing, as this story demonstrates. How many would have died without the intervention of the guy with the CCP?
Scary, Scary, Scary
YOU HAD ONE JOB RSO! I know people make mistakes and nobody's perfect, but this is a big one. Thank God nobody was hurt.
Shooting on a Budget
Bang for your buck: Best handguns under $500
Anyone know anything about the Micro Desert Eagle? I've heard people swearing by it and people swearing at it. If we ever get CCP here in Maryland, it's one I might consider.
Homework
14 Things Everyone Should Understand About Guns
Guns can be dangerous in the wrong hands. But so are articles about guns written by people who don’t understand anything about them.Hmm. Hope I get a passing grade, I'm writing about guns. GOTW Answer 1873 Springfield "Trapdoor" Carbine. Beautiful one too, I got the picture from an auction site where the gun was expected to fetch at least $20K. A pretty significant advance in rifle design, it didn't help Custer and his boys at Little Big Horn. Speaking of which, if you ever get a chance to go to the Little Big Horn battlefield, do it. It's amazingly well done, you can drive (or walk) the entire progression of the battle and really get a feel for exactly how it all went down. Today's thread brought to you by a Smith & Wesson Model 10 with Billy Club extension, one of 5 very unusual guns.
Comments
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Oh. Stompage. NDH wasn't up when I went to write this,
Posted by: Weirddave at March 29, 2015 08:07 PM (WvS3w)
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Isn't EVERY thread an emergency backup gun thread?
Posted by: shredded chi at March 29, 2015 08:11 PM (OmdjQ)
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Whoa.
Posted by: Sharkman r at March 29, 2015 08:14 PM (wGCyh)
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 08:14 PM (/4AZU)
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Dagnabbit...
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 08:15 PM (/4AZU)
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If you replace penis for gun in the anti gun hysteria exposed link. You get what they are doing on college campuses now.
If we could just put together a thought crime profile to put them in jail for theft.
If we could just put together a thought crime profile to put them in jail for theft.
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 08:15 PM (W2Cji)
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Alright, Talked to NDH and we're back. You may resume shooting off your....mouth.
Posted by: Weirddave at March 29, 2015 08:18 PM (WvS3w)
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 08:19 PM (/4AZU)
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Wow, I never expected to see a photo of Mary Cloggenstein. Seems she's a state senator who goes by an alias.
Posted by: rickl at March 29, 2015 08:20 PM (sdi6R)
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So that's not a wooden silencer then?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 29, 2015 08:22 PM (W5DcG)
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I was really impressed with the Little Big Horn when I was there years ago. Not much left to see really, but the way it's laid out allows you to follow what happened step by step.
Posted by: dartist at March 29, 2015 08:24 PM (ahBY0)
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Best value gun is a Canik Stingray. About $350 if you can find one in stock. Check out the youtube reviews. Built like a tank and no ftf or fte for me in over 1000 rounds. Little too big for ccw, but nice shooter.
Posted by: frank at March 29, 2015 08:27 PM (B5FwS)
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Wash. State is a shall issue CCW permit. I suggest Knox get one and practice! practice! practice!
Wash. State is a shall issue CCW permit. I suggest Knox get one and practice! practice! practice!
Posted by: Bruce J. at March 29, 2015 08:27 PM (iQIUe)
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9 Rickl,
I think Mary is her wife....
If donkey can imprison us for guns as "pre-crime" we should imprison them for "pre-graft"....
I think Mary is her wife....
If donkey can imprison us for guns as "pre-crime" we should imprison them for "pre-graft"....
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 08:28 PM (/4AZU)
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Lindafell is going to take me shooting to break me in, when I convince my older brother that Marble Falls, Texas is the best place to move to from Boston area. I gave him package I asked for from Chamber of Commerce early this afternoon.
I finally found why he keeps thinking of NM. He doesn't want to deal with weather. He asked if we ever heard of tornadoes, hurricanes, blizzards, etc in New Mexico. I usually don't pay attention to news & have been avoiding most since Netanyahu speech & Boner game of announcing vote an hour before speech & he sold us out again.
I finally found why he keeps thinking of NM. He doesn't want to deal with weather. He asked if we ever heard of tornadoes, hurricanes, blizzards, etc in New Mexico. I usually don't pay attention to news & have been avoiding most since Netanyahu speech & Boner game of announcing vote an hour before speech & he sold us out again.
Posted by: Carol at March 29, 2015 08:29 PM (sj3Ax)
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I wonder what the thought was behind billy club .38.
"Gee, if I only had a way of putting a club on the end of the barrel rendering it useless in a gunfight."
"Gee, if I only had a way of putting a club on the end of the barrel rendering it useless in a gunfight."
Posted by: fairweatherbill at March 29, 2015 08:30 PM (FviSe)
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 08:30 PM (/4AZU)
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<<We must be able to to arrest people before they commit racism. By registering white people and knowing who is white we can do that... If they are white they are likely to commit racism.>> Tweaked quote
So their ideas to jail us are just mad jailem libs. Just insert the name of the group you want to jail and wala.
So their ideas to jail us are just mad jailem libs. Just insert the name of the group you want to jail and wala.
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 08:30 PM (W2Cji)
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Once I built a black powder .38 Colt Navy Revolver from a kit. I could never quite get the cylinder to line up with the barrel, so I never fired it. I will admit that it was a fun project. At least I think it was .38. It was a long time ago. I know it wasn't a .44.
Posted by: Old Blue at March 29, 2015 08:31 PM (9iR5/)
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So I bought a couple of Walther PP magazines for my Walam 48, figuring, "Hey, it's a PP copy, the mags must be the same, right?" Uh, no. Mags would not insert.
Looked the mags over side by side with the Walam's, and they were identical except that while they both have a ridge running the length of the mag on the left side, the PP's is set a fraction further back. Grrr.
Not wanting to waste forty bucks, I took the grips off the pistol to see what was fouling. All I had to do to get them partially inserted was to grind just a hair off the inside bottom of the magazine well. It slid in up to the bottom of the frame, then fouled again. Grinding there was not an option, so I disassembled the mag and got out the Dremel and a cutting wheel. I excised just enough of that ridge to insert the mag, and now it fits perfect (maybe a hair low in the chamber) and feeds dummy rounds just fine. If it ever gets above freezing around here I'll see if the snow is melted at the local pit and put a few dozen rounds through.
WECSOG forever!
Looked the mags over side by side with the Walam's, and they were identical except that while they both have a ridge running the length of the mag on the left side, the PP's is set a fraction further back. Grrr.
Not wanting to waste forty bucks, I took the grips off the pistol to see what was fouling. All I had to do to get them partially inserted was to grind just a hair off the inside bottom of the magazine well. It slid in up to the bottom of the frame, then fouled again. Grinding there was not an option, so I disassembled the mag and got out the Dremel and a cutting wheel. I excised just enough of that ridge to insert the mag, and now it fits perfect (maybe a hair low in the chamber) and feeds dummy rounds just fine. If it ever gets above freezing around here I'll see if the snow is melted at the local pit and put a few dozen rounds through.
WECSOG forever!
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 29, 2015 08:32 PM (4ckfx)
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 08:32 PM (/4AZU)
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19, maybe a .36.
Posted by: fairweatherbill at March 29, 2015 08:33 PM (o/3Hk)
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22 - yeah, officially, but that blackpowder .36 is .375, so it's more .38.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 29, 2015 08:35 PM (4ckfx)
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For MA morons wondering what can be done about the Commonwealth's restrictive laws and lack of compliance with supreme court rulings see:
www dot comm2a dot org
www dot comm2a dot org
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at March 29, 2015 08:35 PM (A1Dcl)
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22 fairweatherbill,
An 1851 Navy in all likelihood...
Though called a .36 it is ".38" in a way modern .38s aren't(unless they are british)
An 1851 Navy in all likelihood...
Though called a .36 it is ".38" in a way modern .38s aren't(unless they are british)
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 08:36 PM (/4AZU)
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I do enjoy shooting the 45-70, though in rifle, I expect the carbine has a bit of a kick, especially with the rifle ammo.
There are gobs of modifications to the trapdoor, the later ones had things like the rod-bayonet system and the Allen sights that were carried over to the Krag.
There were better designs than the trapdoor by the way, but the idea originally was to use up the huge numbers of Rifle Muskets by converting them to breech loaders, and then of course there is the unwillingness to risk a major conversion to a new system until it was absolutely required.
The Sharps, the Spencer, and various bolt actions from the Mauser on would have been just dandy, and handier as well.
If you want to reload for the 45-70 trapdoor, only use black powder or a black powder substitute like pyrodex or black canyon or such. The sharper detonation of the nitro powders will break your gun even if you load down to lower velocities.
You see a lot of old guns with the stocks cracked at the wrist of the stock because they newer powders were too powerful.
There are gobs of modifications to the trapdoor, the later ones had things like the rod-bayonet system and the Allen sights that were carried over to the Krag.
There were better designs than the trapdoor by the way, but the idea originally was to use up the huge numbers of Rifle Muskets by converting them to breech loaders, and then of course there is the unwillingness to risk a major conversion to a new system until it was absolutely required.
The Sharps, the Spencer, and various bolt actions from the Mauser on would have been just dandy, and handier as well.
If you want to reload for the 45-70 trapdoor, only use black powder or a black powder substitute like pyrodex or black canyon or such. The sharper detonation of the nitro powders will break your gun even if you load down to lower velocities.
You see a lot of old guns with the stocks cracked at the wrist of the stock because they newer powders were too powerful.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 29, 2015 08:38 PM (t//F+)
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Taro, it's been many a year since I put it together, so you're probably right. It was fun building it, but I was disappointed that I never got to fire it. I can't remember the company, something Arms, but it's been over thirty years and I'm old and I suffer from CRS disease. (Can't Remember Sh*t)
Posted by: Old Blue at March 29, 2015 08:38 PM (9iR5/)
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23 Taro Tsujimoto,
Quite I may convert a steel framed 1861 Navy to .38sp by sleeving the barrel....
Otherwise you have to use heel tailed bullets that are a bitch to find.
Quite I may convert a steel framed 1861 Navy to .38sp by sleeving the barrel....
Otherwise you have to use heel tailed bullets that are a bitch to find.
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 08:39 PM (/4AZU)
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25 - yep, a cap-n-ball .36 is a .38 and a cartridge .38 is a .36. Caliber nomenclature is fun!
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 29, 2015 08:39 PM (4ckfx)
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Dad has a Ruger Old Army .44. That is a fun gun to shoot. As all black powder guns are since I love the process to load and the smoke. Not quick but worth the time and extra care they require.
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 08:39 PM (W2Cji)
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 08:40 PM (/4AZU)
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28 - you can use hollow-based wadcutters so the skirt expands and fills the rifling, but nobody's ever given me a good answer on the accuracy.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 29, 2015 08:41 PM (4ckfx)
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29 Taro Tsujimoto,
I think gun demons get their horns every time a gun newb buys the wrong ammo...
I think gun demons get their horns every time a gun newb buys the wrong ammo...
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 08:42 PM (/4AZU)
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Hi point best gun for money . They ain't pretty but they work and they can take a beating. They're almost disposable they're so cheap.
Posted by: Cruzinator at March 29, 2015 08:42 PM (sIhFA)
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Sven, yes it was. But, like I said, it was fun building it. It made me realize that making a firearm was more precise than I had imagined.
Posted by: Old Blue at March 29, 2015 08:43 PM (9iR5/)
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Yeah well fuck you and #9
Posted by: Billy at March 29, 2015 08:44 PM (XYKz+)
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Oh, and I don't know if anyone looked at this one from this morning
http://tinyurl.com/ndq29pk
Basically a 12mm pinfire pistol/carbine, or if you like, a Belgian Buntline.
There is no extractor, so to reload you have to pull the arbor pin and let the cylinder drop out. The chain is to make sure the cylinder does not get lost in all the excitement.
http://tinyurl.com/ndq29pk
Basically a 12mm pinfire pistol/carbine, or if you like, a Belgian Buntline.
There is no extractor, so to reload you have to pull the arbor pin and let the cylinder drop out. The chain is to make sure the cylinder does not get lost in all the excitement.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 29, 2015 08:44 PM (t//F+)
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33
29 Taro Tsujimoto,
I think gun demons get their horns every time a gun newb buys the wrong ammo...
Posted by: Sven10077
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What rewards do the demons get when the clerk at Cabelas hands me 6.5mm Carcano when I ask if they have any 6.5mm Arisaka?
29 Taro Tsujimoto,
I think gun demons get their horns every time a gun newb buys the wrong ammo...
Posted by: Sven10077
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What rewards do the demons get when the clerk at Cabelas hands me 6.5mm Carcano when I ask if they have any 6.5mm Arisaka?
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 29, 2015 08:44 PM (4ckfx)
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Any "Best pistols under $500" list that doesn't include at least one of the KelTec offerings hasn't had good research, IMO.
Posted by: captslaq at March 29, 2015 08:46 PM (IV0aH)
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OK, Horde, I need some counseling here. It's been years since I've had a firearm in the house. I used to have a 410 and a nickel plated .38 Ruger revolver that my sister sold to a couple of asswipes while I was over the road and they wouldn't let me buy them back. Long story. Now, I'm looking for a couple of home defense kind of weapons. I'm thinking a twelve gauge shotgun and a pistol of some type.
What are your recommendations?
What are your recommendations?
Posted by: Old Blue at March 29, 2015 08:46 PM (9iR5/)
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30, I have one of those resting at the bottom of a lake along with an 1860 .44 colt. Damn canoe.
Posted by: fairweatherbill at March 29, 2015 08:46 PM (xrURQ)
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/carlson.asp
Posted by: Pete at March 29, 2015 08:47 PM (MtY4M)
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Is there a bag limit on liberals in Vermont?
Posted by: redenzo at March 29, 2015 08:48 PM (WCnJW)
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38 taro tsujimoto,
Their horns....after all a lot of big box gun help are newbs....
6.5 swede adds to the fun...
Their horns....after all a lot of big box gun help are newbs....
6.5 swede adds to the fun...
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 08:48 PM (/4AZU)
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Oh, yeah. The wife and I are both recently retired, so cost is somewhat of an issue.
Posted by: Old Blue at March 29, 2015 08:48 PM (9iR5/)
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Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!
And I have a broken extractor in my AR
Had to come home early
Damn jooooooooos!!
And I have a broken extractor in my AR
Had to come home early
Damn jooooooooos!!
Posted by: Navycopjoe says death to 3 bean casserole at March 29, 2015 08:48 PM (GPKDB)
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I'm thinking a twelve gauge shotgun and a pistol of some type. What are your recommendations?
Remington 870 or Mossberg 500.
Revolver or semi-auto?
Tarus Tracker .357 - Revolver
H&K USP .45 acp - Semi
Remington 870 or Mossberg 500.
Revolver or semi-auto?
Tarus Tracker .357 - Revolver
H&K USP .45 acp - Semi
Posted by: rickb223 at March 29, 2015 08:49 PM (nyJQP)
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I'm a stanley utility knife to the jugular guy myself. Who's with me??? AAAAAAHHHHHH...
Posted by: rock ribbed flintsonian at March 29, 2015 08:50 PM (XYKz+)
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 08:50 PM (/4AZU)
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Last time I went to the range with my brother in CA, the RSO had a Winchester lever gun in 45-70, and he was using up some mid-level loads. He let us shoot a bunch of them. Damn. That shit was fun. Serious grin-producer.
Last time I went to the range with my brother in CA, the RSO had a Winchester lever gun in 45-70, and he was using up some mid-level loads. He let us shoot a bunch of them. Damn. That shit was fun. Serious grin-producer.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 29, 2015 08:50 PM (ynQIy)
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NCJ, see what happens when you use leavened extractors? Especially this close to Passover? I thought you would have learned by now. :-)
Posted by: Old Blue at March 29, 2015 08:51 PM (9iR5/)
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you can use hollow-based wadcutters so the skirt
expands and fills the rifling, but nobody's ever given me a good answer
on the accuracy.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 29, 2015 08:41 PM (4ckfx)
It does really good, but they aren't supposed to be a long range bullet.
One of the tricks if you have an Enfield .38-200 revolver and you want to reload but the .357 bullets common to find in the US are just a tad too small, use the hollow based bullets, the skirts expand just right to seal the bore and keep the bullet from rattling down the pipe. It really makes the grouping close right down in the Enfield.
expands and fills the rifling, but nobody's ever given me a good answer
on the accuracy.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 29, 2015 08:41 PM (4ckfx)
It does really good, but they aren't supposed to be a long range bullet.
One of the tricks if you have an Enfield .38-200 revolver and you want to reload but the .357 bullets common to find in the US are just a tad too small, use the hollow based bullets, the skirts expand just right to seal the bore and keep the bullet from rattling down the pipe. It really makes the grouping close right down in the Enfield.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 29, 2015 08:51 PM (t//F+)
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WeirdDave and NDH.
I know y'all have keys to the blog. I also know y'all probably have jobs.
But it sure would be nice to have y'all around mid morning during the weekdays to bust Hector.
Hope everyone had a great weekend.
I know y'all have keys to the blog. I also know y'all probably have jobs.
But it sure would be nice to have y'all around mid morning during the weekdays to bust Hector.
Hope everyone had a great weekend.
Posted by: Golfman at March 29, 2015 08:52 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 08:52 PM (/4AZU)
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Rickb, what are we talking about price wise? The Mossberg was already on my mind, the HK I don't know much about, but .45 makes me like it.
Posted by: Old Blue at March 29, 2015 08:53 PM (9iR5/)
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40 - Hard to go wrong with an old Remington 870 pump with an 18" barrel, and/or a nice bread-and-butter .38 Special revolver (Colt, Smith or Ruger).
If I was limited to one gun (shudder) and cost was an issue, it would probably be a .38 revolver with a 4" barrel.
You'll get a ton of suggestions. JMHO.
If I was limited to one gun (shudder) and cost was an issue, it would probably be a .38 revolver with a 4" barrel.
You'll get a ton of suggestions. JMHO.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 29, 2015 08:54 PM (4ckfx)
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Posted by: Old Blue at March 29, 2015 08:46 PM (9iR5/)
I also recommend the 20 gauge as a home defense weapon.
I also recommend the 20 gauge as a home defense weapon.
Posted by: Cruzinator at March 29, 2015 08:54 PM (sIhFA)
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40, if you're thinking strictly self defense, a twelve gauge pump gun with an 18 or 20 inch barrel and an extended magazine would take care of most problems.
Posted by: fairweatherbill at March 29, 2015 08:54 PM (xrURQ)
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51. Ha!!
My AR is in 7.62 so I can use the cheap Russian steel case ammo
Unfortunately they are hell on extractors...this one was steel but lasted about 4000 rounds
But I have a spare so it's all good
Tried out the new Yankee hill fluted barrel...made a little difference
The new Yankee hill brake on the other hand made a huge difference....very nice
My AR is in 7.62 so I can use the cheap Russian steel case ammo
Unfortunately they are hell on extractors...this one was steel but lasted about 4000 rounds
But I have a spare so it's all good
Tried out the new Yankee hill fluted barrel...made a little difference
The new Yankee hill brake on the other hand made a huge difference....very nice
Posted by: Navycopjoe says death to 3 bean casserole at March 29, 2015 08:55 PM (GPKDB)
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 08:55 PM (/4AZU)
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Old Blue not sure what caliber pistol you want. But Makarov and CZs are good cheap auto pistols.
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 08:55 PM (W2Cji)
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shouldn't the gun of the week be a derringer or similar?
it being an emergency back up kinda gun i mean
it being an emergency back up kinda gun i mean
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 29, 2015 08:56 PM (Cq0oW)
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20 ga ammo cost more than 12 ga
Easy to find more selection in the 12 ga too. If recoil is a problem there is always the reduced recoil buck shot loads.
Easy to find more selection in the 12 ga too. If recoil is a problem there is always the reduced recoil buck shot loads.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 29, 2015 08:56 PM (WNERA)
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Sven's in my neighborhood at #49. The .357 sure does give you more versatility, and a 20 gauge will spoil a baddie's day.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 29, 2015 08:56 PM (4ckfx)
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I'm thinking a twelve gauge shotgun and a pistol of some type.
What are your recommendations?
Posted by: Old Blue at March 29, 2015 08:46 PM (9iR5/)
*****
My suggestion is a Mossberg 590 for shotgun, and the Springfield XD Series pistol in your choice of caliber. Neither Have ever let me down.
What are your recommendations?
Posted by: Old Blue at March 29, 2015 08:46 PM (9iR5/)
*****
My suggestion is a Mossberg 590 for shotgun, and the Springfield XD Series pistol in your choice of caliber. Neither Have ever let me down.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 29, 2015 08:57 PM (cIoI4)
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NavyCopJoe might want to think of moving to Jackson MS and joining their police department.
In the past month, FOUR JPD officers have been arrested and three fired so far. The fired include one female officer arrested for domestic battery and two caught on security camera stealing a trailer. The fourth was only arrested Friday so details are sketchy.
In the past month, FOUR JPD officers have been arrested and three fired so far. The fired include one female officer arrested for domestic battery and two caught on security camera stealing a trailer. The fourth was only arrested Friday so details are sketchy.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 29, 2015 08:58 PM (l3Sh0)
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@42 saw that. It seems the Carlson quote is a fabrication. But is she a lesbian?
Posted by: Brucella Jenner at March 29, 2015 08:58 PM (3F6F8)
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Thanks Guys! I knew I could count on the Horde. Sorry to all of you for that unfortunate canoe accident. That really sucked.
Posted by: Old Blue at March 29, 2015 08:59 PM (9iR5/)
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Oh, and don't buy a Taurus. Yeah, I know, somebody here will tell me their Taurus runs like a Swiss watch. I'm sure there are a few dudes who have married ex-porn stars and had great marriages, too.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 29, 2015 08:59 PM (4ckfx)
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as for back up guns: I think .380 is a small as you would want to go. Many smaller pistols have reliability problems. The Walthers PPKs in 380 seems ok but is way too small for hands like mine.
A small revolver in .38 with 5 shots would be a good choice too imho.
A small revolver in .38 with 5 shots would be a good choice too imho.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 29, 2015 09:00 PM (WNERA)
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66 Anna Puma,
He'd need to get a tan or face being Officer Wilsoned....
Jackson's a special place....
I am praying I can raise enough money to migrate to Alberta....
He'd need to get a tan or face being Officer Wilsoned....
Jackson's a special place....
I am praying I can raise enough money to migrate to Alberta....
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 09:01 PM (/4AZU)
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Old Blue not sure what caliber pistol you want. But Makarov and CZs are good cheap auto pistols.
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 08:55 PM (W2Cji)
Unfortunately, the Maks and CZ82s are getting rather more difficult to find. I've been kicking myself for awhile for not picking up an 82 when they were cheap and plentiful.
The Polish P64 milsurps in 9mm Makarov are available right now for a bit over $200. Supposed to be pretty decent pseudo-PPKs.
Old Blue not sure what caliber pistol you want. But Makarov and CZs are good cheap auto pistols.
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 08:55 PM (W2Cji)
Unfortunately, the Maks and CZ82s are getting rather more difficult to find. I've been kicking myself for awhile for not picking up an 82 when they were cheap and plentiful.
The Polish P64 milsurps in 9mm Makarov are available right now for a bit over $200. Supposed to be pretty decent pseudo-PPKs.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 29, 2015 09:01 PM (ynQIy)
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On the Carlson quote, Snopes says nope. She was a gun-grabber indeed, but not quite that bad, and many moons ago.
Posted by: starboardhelm at March 29, 2015 09:01 PM (hOtJL)
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hate click through articles
have a P series in 9mm. very nice shooter. built to take a nuke strike. can use with gloves. concealable only with one of those tuck away pouches, so only if its pointing at your balls. and that leaves ladies out, i guess.
have a P series in 9mm. very nice shooter. built to take a nuke strike. can use with gloves. concealable only with one of those tuck away pouches, so only if its pointing at your balls. and that leaves ladies out, i guess.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 29, 2015 09:01 PM (Cq0oW)
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But it sure would be nice to have y'all around mid morning during the weekdays to bust Hector.
We're open bloggers. That's a step below COBS. It's several steps below "human" and only marginally above "lifeform". Point is we're only allowed to post on weekends. Sorry, he annoys me too.
We're open bloggers. That's a step below COBS. It's several steps below "human" and only marginally above "lifeform". Point is we're only allowed to post on weekends. Sorry, he annoys me too.
Posted by: Weirddave at March 29, 2015 09:01 PM (WvS3w)
Posted by: Feh at March 29, 2015 09:01 PM (g/zj9)
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On the Carlson quote, Snopes says nope. She was a gun-grabber indeed, but not quite that bad, and many moons ago.
Maybe maybe not. Snopes is openly and adamantly Progressive. They're not trustworthy on political things.
Maybe maybe not. Snopes is openly and adamantly Progressive. They're not trustworthy on political things.
Posted by: Weirddave at March 29, 2015 09:03 PM (WvS3w)
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66. Woohoo!!!!
71. Oh crap
71. Oh crap
Posted by: Navycopjoe says death to 3 bean casserole at March 29, 2015 09:03 PM (GPKDB)
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>>Anyone know anything about the Micro Desert Eagle?
Yes.
Its a copy of a small Czech .380 (IIRC called the "Hero"). IIRC, it uses a somewhat novel gas-assisted blowback action, not the conventional Browning based tilting/lock action. The "Desert Eagle" name is purely for branding, this gun shares no similarity whatever with the original Israeli gun.
The gun takes .380 and unlike most of the pocket .380s is made of actual metal (not polymer). Unfortunately, there is no "ledge" in front of the triggerguard, meaning if you're accustomed to a fairly conventional rest-hand-in front of triggerguard grip and you fire the gun that way, you stand a reasonable chance of blowing a hole in your left hand index finger. That alone (for me) is reason NOT to buy this.
Yes.
Its a copy of a small Czech .380 (IIRC called the "Hero"). IIRC, it uses a somewhat novel gas-assisted blowback action, not the conventional Browning based tilting/lock action. The "Desert Eagle" name is purely for branding, this gun shares no similarity whatever with the original Israeli gun.
The gun takes .380 and unlike most of the pocket .380s is made of actual metal (not polymer). Unfortunately, there is no "ledge" in front of the triggerguard, meaning if you're accustomed to a fairly conventional rest-hand-in front of triggerguard grip and you fire the gun that way, you stand a reasonable chance of blowing a hole in your left hand index finger. That alone (for me) is reason NOT to buy this.
Posted by: looking closely at March 29, 2015 09:04 PM (hoiM7)
Posted by: Navycopjoe says death to 3 bean casserole at March 29, 2015 09:04 PM (GPKDB)
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29 25 - yep, a cap-n-ball .36 is a .38 and a cartridge .38 is a .36. Caliber nomenclature is fun!
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 29, 2015 08:39 PM (4ckfx)
My son gave me an 1851 Navy Colt replica for Christmas.
Balls are .375 diameter, and a "shaving" comes off when you ram one into a chamber.
I'm going to guess the cylinder has .36" holes.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 29, 2015 08:39 PM (4ckfx)
My son gave me an 1851 Navy Colt replica for Christmas.
Balls are .375 diameter, and a "shaving" comes off when you ram one into a chamber.
I'm going to guess the cylinder has .36" holes.
Posted by: jwb7605 at March 29, 2015 09:04 PM (ZALPg)
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hickock45 has a nice review of the bersa thunder cc on youtube
he likes it
Posted by: Feh at March 29, 2015 09:01 PM (g/zj9)
*******
I had This in .380. Greal all steel gun. Too big for pocket carry, so I was dumb enough to sell it to buy a Ruger LCP. Bad move
he likes it
Posted by: Feh at March 29, 2015 09:01 PM (g/zj9)
*******
I had This in .380. Greal all steel gun. Too big for pocket carry, so I was dumb enough to sell it to buy a Ruger LCP. Bad move
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 29, 2015 09:06 PM (3F6F8)
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I find Snopes to be just fine on empirical stuff. It's certainly easy enough to check, and it didn't pass the smell test when I read it. So I'm confident it's bullshit.
Sadly, we gun folk tend to be a tad too credulous on outrageously outrageous outrage stuff.
Sadly, we gun folk tend to be a tad too credulous on outrageously outrageous outrage stuff.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 29, 2015 09:07 PM (4ckfx)
84
20 gauge fan here too. And the price difference in ammo is really small, esp when you factor how much you'll be shooting it.
There are a good amount of used .357's on the market if you look for them, even check gunbroker dot com to get an idea. I love the Colt Trooper III I found... and it's a Colt! But a 686 or Ruger would be good too of course.
There are a good amount of used .357's on the market if you look for them, even check gunbroker dot com to get an idea. I love the Colt Trooper III I found... and it's a Colt! But a 686 or Ruger would be good too of course.
Posted by: Yip at March 29, 2015 09:07 PM (84SRe)
85
Balls are .375 diameter, and a "shaving" comes off when you ram one into a chamber.
I'm going to guess the cylinder has .36" holes.
Posted by: jwb7605 at March 29, 2015 09:04 PM (ZALPg)
huhuhuhuh "ball shaving" huhuhuhuhuhuhuh
Balls are .375 diameter, and a "shaving" comes off when you ram one into a chamber.
I'm going to guess the cylinder has .36" holes.
Posted by: jwb7605 at March 29, 2015 09:04 PM (ZALPg)
huhuhuhuh "ball shaving" huhuhuhuhuhuhuh
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 29, 2015 09:08 PM (ynQIy)
86
TWD finale has started. What is the best gun to use to kill walkers?
Posted by: Bruce J. at March 29, 2015 09:08 PM (iQIUe)
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Unfortunately, the Maks and CZ82s are getting rather more difficult to
find. I've been kicking myself for awhile for not picking up an 82 when
they were cheap and plentiful.>>>
I probably should have looked up current prices before commenting. Those are the cheap decent pistols in my lakebottom collection. Just figured commie stuff would always be cheap.
find. I've been kicking myself for awhile for not picking up an 82 when
they were cheap and plentiful.>>>
I probably should have looked up current prices before commenting. Those are the cheap decent pistols in my lakebottom collection. Just figured commie stuff would always be cheap.
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 09:08 PM (W2Cji)
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Rickb, what are we talking about price wise? The Mossberg was already on my mind, the HK Idon't know much about, but .45 makes me like it.
Old blue, high dollar. $950.00. Quality is #1.
Old blue, high dollar. $950.00. Quality is #1.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 29, 2015 09:08 PM (nyJQP)
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>>Hi point best gun for money . They ain't pretty but they work and they
can take a beating. They're almost disposable they're so cheap.
No, they're not. Hi-points are top-heavy (they use sub-machine gun like blowback actions) bulky, and highly inaccurate.
Absolute best bang for the buck in a conventional defensive gun (IMO) is an older Smith and Wesson model .38 specia l10 revolver. There is still a glut of them from back in the days where these were standard issue police revolver. That nobody really wants wheelguns anymore just makes them cheaper.
These were made of all forged parts, and from back in the day when every single Smith gun was hand fitted by a gunsmith. Guns are highly accurate, highly reliable, and will last several generations even with heavy use. Parts and accessories are also cheap and readily available. You basically can't even buy a new production gun like this anymore.
And you can find them for under $250, still, if you're patient and look around.
can take a beating. They're almost disposable they're so cheap.
No, they're not. Hi-points are top-heavy (they use sub-machine gun like blowback actions) bulky, and highly inaccurate.
Absolute best bang for the buck in a conventional defensive gun (IMO) is an older Smith and Wesson model .38 specia l10 revolver. There is still a glut of them from back in the days where these were standard issue police revolver. That nobody really wants wheelguns anymore just makes them cheaper.
These were made of all forged parts, and from back in the day when every single Smith gun was hand fitted by a gunsmith. Guns are highly accurate, highly reliable, and will last several generations even with heavy use. Parts and accessories are also cheap and readily available. You basically can't even buy a new production gun like this anymore.
And you can find them for under $250, still, if you're patient and look around.
Posted by: looking closely at March 29, 2015 09:09 PM (hoiM7)
Posted by: Feh at March 29, 2015 09:10 PM (g/zj9)
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I probably should have looked up current prices before commenting. Those are the cheap decent pistols in my lakebottom collection. Just figured commie stuff would always be cheap.
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 09:08 PM (W2Cji)
Nah. Good recommendations. Present day market for them may be screwy, but solid guns.
I probably should have looked up current prices before commenting. Those are the cheap decent pistols in my lakebottom collection. Just figured commie stuff would always be cheap.
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 09:08 PM (W2Cji)
Nah. Good recommendations. Present day market for them may be screwy, but solid guns.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 29, 2015 09:10 PM (ynQIy)
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 09:10 PM (W2Cji)
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Posted by: Old Blue at March 29, 2015 08:46 PM (9iR5/)
Basic home defense:
Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 (your choice of 12ga or 20ga)
and
A wheel gun in .357 or .38.
Ignore anyone that says to get a Judge.
Basic home defense:
Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 (your choice of 12ga or 20ga)
and
A wheel gun in .357 or .38.
Ignore anyone that says to get a Judge.
Posted by: Country Singer at March 29, 2015 09:10 PM (nL0sw)
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Pissed the 1911 wasn't on the list.
You can find them for the price quoted.
I know of no other handgun you can carry cocked in perfect safety as that weapon.
Pissed the 1911 wasn't on the list.
You can find them for the price quoted.
I know of no other handgun you can carry cocked in perfect safety as that weapon.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 29, 2015 09:10 PM (jeCnD)
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I'm going to guess the cylinder has .36" holes.
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Then it's gonna shoot like crap when it goes down that .375" bore.
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Then it's gonna shoot like crap when it goes down that .375" bore.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 29, 2015 09:10 PM (4ckfx)
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Oldblue, For home defense it's hard to beat a pump shotgun, 12 or 20 ga. but I prefer 20 for easier control. Don't go for full choke. A more open choke is better for household distances.
Add a 38 Special or357 magnum revolver loaded with 38 Special ammo for a carry around or night stand piece. The revolver is simpler to operate than a semi and 38 Special ammo is cheap and available.
Both shotguns and revolvers are available used that are fully reliable. There's a ton of information out there on these matters but these are my preferences.
Add a 38 Special or357 magnum revolver loaded with 38 Special ammo for a carry around or night stand piece. The revolver is simpler to operate than a semi and 38 Special ammo is cheap and available.
Both shotguns and revolvers are available used that are fully reliable. There's a ton of information out there on these matters but these are my preferences.
Posted by: JTB at March 29, 2015 09:14 PM (FvdPb)
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86
TWD finale has started. What is the best gun to use to kill walkers?
Posted by: Bruce J.
--------------------
Anything in Carol's hand.
TWD finale has started. What is the best gun to use to kill walkers?
Posted by: Bruce J.
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Anything in Carol's hand.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 29, 2015 09:14 PM (4ckfx)
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#93
+1.
Judge platform has so many flaws I don't even know where to begin.
-Notoriously bad (Taurus) build quality
-Primers tend to "walk out of shotgun shells potentially *LOCKING UP GUN*.
-.410 shotshells effectively worthless on anything larger than a bunny rabbit.
-Bad patterning with shot, limiting effective range of shotgun to only a few yards.
-.45LC round itself has good ballistics, but ammo itself is not cheap, typically not found on the shelves of "big box" or sporting goods stores, and round is relatively inaccurate from this platform.
-Gun itself is bulky and ungainly.
+1.
Judge platform has so many flaws I don't even know where to begin.
-Notoriously bad (Taurus) build quality
-Primers tend to "walk out of shotgun shells potentially *LOCKING UP GUN*.
-.410 shotshells effectively worthless on anything larger than a bunny rabbit.
-Bad patterning with shot, limiting effective range of shotgun to only a few yards.
-.45LC round itself has good ballistics, but ammo itself is not cheap, typically not found on the shelves of "big box" or sporting goods stores, and round is relatively inaccurate from this platform.
-Gun itself is bulky and ungainly.
Posted by: looking closely at March 29, 2015 09:15 PM (hoiM7)
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 29, 2015 09:16 PM (4ckfx)
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TWD finale has started. What is the best gun to use to kill walkers?
Posted by: Bruce J. at March 29, 2015 09:08 PM (iQIUe)
That's not how you initialise Dancing With the Stars.
Posted by: Bruce J. at March 29, 2015 09:08 PM (iQIUe)
That's not how you initialise Dancing With the Stars.
Posted by: Robert Smith at March 29, 2015 09:16 PM (Q819Q)
Posted by: Pete at March 29, 2015 09:16 PM (MtY4M)
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old blue
to look at it another way, have you considered getting a handgun and pistol caliber carbine? so as to share ammo as a cost cutting measure.
not trying to steer you away from the shottie. solid buy, even used.
to look at it another way, have you considered getting a handgun and pistol caliber carbine? so as to share ammo as a cost cutting measure.
not trying to steer you away from the shottie. solid buy, even used.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 29, 2015 09:16 PM (Cq0oW)
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Another comment on self defense guns. I used to sleep with a S &W mdl 29 next to the bed. Then I got to thinking what if someone broke into the house and stole it. Good bye to a very expensive and much cherished gun. So it went into the locker and a Ruger MKll .22 took it's place. It doesn't have the stopping power, but I can get 10 shots of in 3 seconds, and it's only worth 1/3 what the .44 is. If a gun is going to be needed pronto, you might consider what you can afford to lose.
Posted by: fairweatherbill at March 29, 2015 09:16 PM (o/3Hk)
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Saw a show today where science is going use a chicken and change the DNA attempting to grow dinosaurs. Might want to look at a 458 win mag as a back up for the 50 BMG.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 29, 2015 09:16 PM (WNERA)
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Whenever the Hi Point pistols are posted as cheap. I get all wound up because for some stupid reason I mix them up with High Standard pistols. And those are some of the best guns I've ever shot/held. True art IMO.
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 09:18 PM (W2Cji)
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I love black powder shooting, dirty though it is.
Have several handguns, a Colt Army in .44, a Navy in .36, a Remington New Model Army in .44, and the newest addition, a Rogers and Spencer also in .44.
Just tons of fun, it's like holding a piece of history.
I love black powder shooting, dirty though it is.
Have several handguns, a Colt Army in .44, a Navy in .36, a Remington New Model Army in .44, and the newest addition, a Rogers and Spencer also in .44.
Just tons of fun, it's like holding a piece of history.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 29, 2015 09:20 PM (jeCnD)
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Posted by: looking closely at March 29, 2015 09:15 PM (hoiM7)
The only customer I had that bought a Judge (I used to work in a gun store) that a) genuinely liked it after owning it for some time and b) found it useful was a guy that did land-clearing for a living. He said it was perfect for killing snakes from the tractor seat when bush hogging.
The only customer I had that bought a Judge (I used to work in a gun store) that a) genuinely liked it after owning it for some time and b) found it useful was a guy that did land-clearing for a living. He said it was perfect for killing snakes from the tractor seat when bush hogging.
Posted by: Country Singer at March 29, 2015 09:20 PM (nL0sw)
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Yard defense = M1 Garand
Posted by: Yip at March 29, 2015 09:21 PM (84SRe)
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#103:
Decent .38 revolver can be had for price of a Ruger MKII .22 pistol, and (IMO) is a better choice for the application you describe.
Decent .38 revolver can be had for price of a Ruger MKII .22 pistol, and (IMO) is a better choice for the application you describe.
Posted by: looking closely at March 29, 2015 09:22 PM (hoiM7)
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maybe it depends on situation, rural vs urban, whether you intend to shoot a lot or have it mostly sit in a drawer, whether or not your wife is willing to use the same guns, etc
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 29, 2015 09:22 PM (Cq0oW)
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Annoying? You know what I find annoying? Stupid women like "Senator" Carlson above.
I'm a chick who worked hard to get my BS in science and an advanced degree. I'm sick to death of stupid, stupid, stooooopid chicks setting us back to the stone age.
You don't understand why the constitution and the rule of law including property rights and a limited government are necessary for civilization? Stupid!
You don't get that the lawful concealed carry owners are protecting you and everybody else? Stupid!
You don't believe in vaccinations? You think herbs and chanting over crystals cure diseases? You don't see how important men are to the raising of children and defense from other very bad men? You don't think there is an external reality that is verifiable? You don't see how different (better) life is for women in Judeo-Christian nations versus in all others? Stoooooopid!
I have to spend an inordinate amount of my day negotiating with extremely profoundly stoooooopid women who have "feelings" that, in their silly opinions, trump physical reality. If I refuse to address the crap load of nonsense they print off the internet, they run and complain.
They offend and annoy me. They are an insult to every woman who has struggled to become competent and knowledgeable in some real area of life.
Senator Mary Ann Carlson should have to speak to women who were saved from violent crimes by carrying a weapon (or saved by a law-abiding citizen who was carrying) before she pontificates about "who is likely to commit a crime." Seriously - what a stupid bag.
Sorry/ rant off.
I'm a chick who worked hard to get my BS in science and an advanced degree. I'm sick to death of stupid, stupid, stooooopid chicks setting us back to the stone age.
You don't understand why the constitution and the rule of law including property rights and a limited government are necessary for civilization? Stupid!
You don't get that the lawful concealed carry owners are protecting you and everybody else? Stupid!
You don't believe in vaccinations? You think herbs and chanting over crystals cure diseases? You don't see how important men are to the raising of children and defense from other very bad men? You don't think there is an external reality that is verifiable? You don't see how different (better) life is for women in Judeo-Christian nations versus in all others? Stoooooopid!
I have to spend an inordinate amount of my day negotiating with extremely profoundly stoooooopid women who have "feelings" that, in their silly opinions, trump physical reality. If I refuse to address the crap load of nonsense they print off the internet, they run and complain.
They offend and annoy me. They are an insult to every woman who has struggled to become competent and knowledgeable in some real area of life.
Senator Mary Ann Carlson should have to speak to women who were saved from violent crimes by carrying a weapon (or saved by a law-abiding citizen who was carrying) before she pontificates about "who is likely to commit a crime." Seriously - what a stupid bag.
Sorry/ rant off.
Posted by: Jade Sea at March 29, 2015 09:24 PM (wPLWJ)
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110 maybe it depends on situation, rural vs urban, whether you intend to shoot a lot or have it mostly sit in a drawer, whether or not your wife is willing to use the same guns, etc
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 29, 2015 09:22 PM (Cq0oW)
My #1 consideration, because I always assume that I may not be able to get there first.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 29, 2015 09:22 PM (Cq0oW)
My #1 consideration, because I always assume that I may not be able to get there first.
Posted by: jwb7605 at March 29, 2015 09:24 PM (ZALPg)
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Sven,
I want to be able to grow roses. I originally crossed AZ off his list & he crossed NC off my list.
As Old Blue can tell you, he emailed me quite a bit of info on NM. I asked The Horde & narrowed it down further by areas.
Then I posted in thread in early February that I was making dinner & to post info about NM & I'd read later.
There's a lot of crime,poor cities, winters anywhere over I40,
It's a poor state & blue too.
Thank you.
I'll email my brother to look into area. I've done all Internet searching for two months.
I want to be able to grow roses. I originally crossed AZ off his list & he crossed NC off my list.
As Old Blue can tell you, he emailed me quite a bit of info on NM. I asked The Horde & narrowed it down further by areas.
Then I posted in thread in early February that I was making dinner & to post info about NM & I'd read later.
There's a lot of crime,poor cities, winters anywhere over I40,
It's a poor state & blue too.
Thank you.
I'll email my brother to look into area. I've done all Internet searching for two months.
Posted by: Carol at March 29, 2015 09:26 PM (sj3Ax)
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my vote for shottie is a pump 20 btw.
dead simple to use, powerful for most stuff, and if you're aged it ages well with you. a 12 may not.
dead simple to use, powerful for most stuff, and if you're aged it ages well with you. a 12 may not.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 29, 2015 09:27 PM (Cq0oW)
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He said it was perfect for killing snakes from the tractor seat when bush hogging.>>>
I live in the north so snakes aren't big here so the CCI .22LR shotshells are enough. I don't shoot the snakes since they eat mice.
A guy I worked with hated/feared snakes and he loved shooting from the riding lawnmower. with his .22LR pistol.
I live in the north so snakes aren't big here so the CCI .22LR shotshells are enough. I don't shoot the snakes since they eat mice.
A guy I worked with hated/feared snakes and he loved shooting from the riding lawnmower. with his .22LR pistol.
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 09:27 PM (W2Cji)
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I should have mentioned, for a HD hand gun go with a 4" barrel not a snubby. No need to conceal it and the longer barrel is better for accuracy and recoil than the snubby.
Posted by: JTB at March 29, 2015 09:27 PM (FvdPb)
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A Mossberg Maverick 12 ga. can be bought for less than $200.
A Rock Island 1911 45ACP can be bought for less than $400.
Both are reliable.
A Mossberg Maverick 12 ga. can be bought for less than $200.
A Rock Island 1911 45ACP can be bought for less than $400.
Both are reliable.
Posted by: Frankly at March 29, 2015 09:27 PM (jlMUV)
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If a gun is going to be needed pronto, you might consider what you can afford to lose.
Posted by: fairweatherbill at March 29, 2015 09:16 PM (o/3Hk)
Not just because of burglars hitting the nightstand.
If you actually have to use it defensively, odds aren't good of getting the gun back. It'll be taken as evidence until the legal stuff is complete, and depending on the honesty and assholery of your local DA/PD, it's likely to either be shredded and melted down without informing you or be "lost" and end up in someone's personal gun collection. Both are things that have happened all too often.
Even worse, some jurisdictions have a policy of NEVER returning guns to their rightful owners, as they classify them as "crime guns". Less so nowadays, but it still happens.
A defensive gun should be one you can afford to lose.
If a gun is going to be needed pronto, you might consider what you can afford to lose.
Posted by: fairweatherbill at March 29, 2015 09:16 PM (o/3Hk)
Not just because of burglars hitting the nightstand.
If you actually have to use it defensively, odds aren't good of getting the gun back. It'll be taken as evidence until the legal stuff is complete, and depending on the honesty and assholery of your local DA/PD, it's likely to either be shredded and melted down without informing you or be "lost" and end up in someone's personal gun collection. Both are things that have happened all too often.
Even worse, some jurisdictions have a policy of NEVER returning guns to their rightful owners, as they classify them as "crime guns". Less so nowadays, but it still happens.
A defensive gun should be one you can afford to lose.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 29, 2015 09:27 PM (ynQIy)
119
J-and-G Sales has Smith and Wesson Model 64s (stainless steel version of Model 10), .38 special, 6 rounds for ~$275. They are police department turn-ins.
Posted by: BUTCH at March 29, 2015 09:28 PM (HLx1C)
120
TWD finale has started. What is the best gun to use to kill walkers?
Posted by: Bruce J.
The one you have with you.
Posted by: Bruce J.
The one you have with you.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 29, 2015 09:28 PM (nyJQP)
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I have never used a gun so I would be a good bet to kill a Dead Walker with one in my hand.
Posted by: Carol at March 29, 2015 09:30 PM (sj3Ax)
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Everybody wan't to shoot Hillary's walker out from under her.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 29, 2015 09:31 PM (W5DcG)
123
some jurisdictions take all of your guns during an investigation, I think.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 29, 2015 09:31 PM (Cq0oW)
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"Give us a name and we'll create the case", saying at NKVD HQ Soviet Union 1930"s. The fact that this Moonbat was elected in Vermont is shocking. Well no, not really.
Posted by: deepred at March 29, 2015 09:32 PM (xv5cf)
Posted by: Golfman at March 29, 2015 09:32 PM (48QDY)
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Best handgun for under $500?
Honestly, there are so many excellent handguns that cost under $500, it would take a page to list all of them.
More interesting would be best handguns for under $250. Its a much shorter list, but you can still find a few gems at that price point: Eg, Smith model 10 .38 revolver, Ruger P series autos, Makarov and knockoffs (EG FEG P63, Polish P64). Star milsurp autos can be had around $300.
There was a time not that long ago when you could still get surplus Smith "number" series autos at that price, but I think those days are gone now.
Honestly, there are so many excellent handguns that cost under $500, it would take a page to list all of them.
More interesting would be best handguns for under $250. Its a much shorter list, but you can still find a few gems at that price point: Eg, Smith model 10 .38 revolver, Ruger P series autos, Makarov and knockoffs (EG FEG P63, Polish P64). Star milsurp autos can be had around $300.
There was a time not that long ago when you could still get surplus Smith "number" series autos at that price, but I think those days are gone now.
Posted by: looking closely at March 29, 2015 09:33 PM (hoiM7)
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Vermont has no registry to my recollection
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 29, 2015 09:33 PM (Cq0oW)
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113 Carol,
I ran the Ft bliss garden center a bit....
Roses grow great in El Paso....
I think anywhere the "newer better Americans" have numbers is pure donkey....
Coming soon to the whole map.
I ran the Ft bliss garden center a bit....
Roses grow great in El Paso....
I think anywhere the "newer better Americans" have numbers is pure donkey....
Coming soon to the whole map.
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 09:34 PM (/4AZU)
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119
J-and-G Sales has Smith and Wesson Model 64s (stainless steel version of
Model 10), .38 special, 6 rounds for ~$275. They are police department
turn-ins.
==
IIRC those are double-action onlys. That's still OK for indoor/close range use (even arguably better) but that explains the relatively low price.
J-and-G Sales has Smith and Wesson Model 64s (stainless steel version of
Model 10), .38 special, 6 rounds for ~$275. They are police department
turn-ins.
==
IIRC those are double-action onlys. That's still OK for indoor/close range use (even arguably better) but that explains the relatively low price.
Posted by: looking closely at March 29, 2015 09:34 PM (hoiM7)
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good night all
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 29, 2015 09:35 PM (Cq0oW)
131
109, you are absolutely correct, but my wife (the chief financial officer) doesn't think I need another gun. What I really don't need is another argument with her. I used to keep a pump 12 gauge in the bedroom but had to remove it. She's also scared of firearms. So, the 22lr in a drawer is the current solution.
Posted by: fairweatherbill at March 29, 2015 09:35 PM (xrURQ)
132
Killing Jesus is on National Geographic channel now and starting again at 10 CST.
I forgot it was tonight so will record the 10 oclock showing. Hope it's all Bill O sold it as.
I forgot it was tonight so will record the 10 oclock showing. Hope it's all Bill O sold it as.
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 09:36 PM (W2Cji)
133
looking @ 119 - Yup, they are DAO.
Posted by: BUTCH at March 29, 2015 09:37 PM (HLx1C)
134
118 ITC,
Yeah which is indicative of why we are under open invasion....
The authorities hate law abiding Americans...
Yeah which is indicative of why we are under open invasion....
The authorities hate law abiding Americans...
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 09:37 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 09:39 PM (/4AZU)
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Sven,
Thanks for letting me know I can grow roses in El Paso.
My brother can look it up.
That donkey in our House has to go!
Thanks for letting me know I can grow roses in El Paso.
My brother can look it up.
That donkey in our House has to go!
Posted by: Carol at March 29, 2015 09:40 PM (sj3Ax)
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132 Killing Jesus is on National Geographic channel now and starting again at 10 CST.
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 09:36 PM (W2Cji)
¿Que?
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 09:36 PM (W2Cji)
¿Que?
Posted by: Jesus at March 29, 2015 09:41 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 29, 2015 09:42 PM (4Mv1T)
139
Old Blue,
Castle defense - Benelli M1 Super 90, get one used off of polic surplus. Might as well get the best.
As far as a handgun, your going to have to go shoot a bunch.
Castle defense - Benelli M1 Super 90, get one used off of polic surplus. Might as well get the best.
As far as a handgun, your going to have to go shoot a bunch.
Posted by: Jean at March 29, 2015 09:43 PM (ztOda)
140
For great shooting fun, it's hard to beat a cap and ball revolver if you don't mind a little extra care to maintain it. The historical repros can be inexpensive; Cabelas often has them on sale for around $200. Properly loaded they are surprisingly accurate.
The Ruger Old Army C&B isn't historical but it is dead on the most accurate and reliable such revolver ever made. They are a joy to shoot.
The Ruger Old Army C&B isn't historical but it is dead on the most accurate and reliable such revolver ever made. They are a joy to shoot.
Posted by: JTB at March 29, 2015 09:43 PM (FvdPb)
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That picture puts me in mind of a friend of mine, participates in the North-South Skirmish Association. They dress like War Between the States reenactors, but compete at shooting instead of fighting mock battles. Went with my older son to watch once; we had a good time.
Posted by: A pot of message at March 29, 2015 09:44 PM (ybzJi)
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i have a judge. It's heavy but full to shoot clays with one.
Posted by: Nip sip at March 29, 2015 09:46 PM (0FSuD)
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I'm gonna live 'til "Killing Mohammed" gets airtime....>>>
I'm pretty sure they air a version of "Killing Mohammed" Nightly on ISIS TV.
Gay Mohammed, Mohammed the Shia or Shite (not sure which Mohammed they hate) Mohammed that has a pretty sister...
I'm pretty sure they air a version of "Killing Mohammed" Nightly on ISIS TV.
Gay Mohammed, Mohammed the Shia or Shite (not sure which Mohammed they hate) Mohammed that has a pretty sister...
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 09:46 PM (W2Cji)
144
Nicely done, #111. Well said.
Posted by: fly gal at March 29, 2015 09:50 PM (sKq6w)
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Best under $500?
I got my Israeli Arms Baby Eagle for about $450. Love it. Easy to carry shot and maintain.
I got my Israeli Arms Baby Eagle for about $450. Love it. Easy to carry shot and maintain.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 29, 2015 09:53 PM (08Znv)
146
Relax. I just want to touch you.
Posted by: Skeevy Trivago Guy at March 29, 2015 09:54 PM (yxw0r)
147
Cap n' Ball revolvers are for fun. With fresh loads, they'll do for defense, but are highly ill-advised as a permanent solution thereto.
Black Powder is hygroscopic. It absorbs moisture from the air. Your loads can go "damp", in anywhere from a few days to a couple of weeks. More so in Houston, less so in El Paso.
Precussion caps aren't exactly famous for their reliability, either.
Also, Black Powder is highly corrosive. Mostly, post firing, but that hygroscopic factor plays here, too. A cylinder loaded for months on end with the same loads, will usually have started to corrode in the chambers.
A Cap & Ball revolver is better than nothing, but takes far more care and attention than a modern, cartridge loading gun with non-corrosive primers and smokeless powder.
Any major gun store will gladly sell you a mechanically fine, cosmetically weak handgun for well within your price range.
I'll endorse the Horde's take on the shotguns though. Any shotgun is better than no shotgun at all.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Black Powder is hygroscopic. It absorbs moisture from the air. Your loads can go "damp", in anywhere from a few days to a couple of weeks. More so in Houston, less so in El Paso.
Precussion caps aren't exactly famous for their reliability, either.
Also, Black Powder is highly corrosive. Mostly, post firing, but that hygroscopic factor plays here, too. A cylinder loaded for months on end with the same loads, will usually have started to corrode in the chambers.
A Cap & Ball revolver is better than nothing, but takes far more care and attention than a modern, cartridge loading gun with non-corrosive primers and smokeless powder.
Any major gun store will gladly sell you a mechanically fine, cosmetically weak handgun for well within your price range.
I'll endorse the Horde's take on the shotguns though. Any shotgun is better than no shotgun at all.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at March 29, 2015 09:54 PM (RzZOc)
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132
Killing Jesus is on National Geographic channel now and starting again at 10 CST.
I forgot it was tonight so will record the 10 oclock showing. Hope it's all Bill O sold it as.
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 09:36 PM (W2Cji)
Almost through. Apparently, JC performed no miracles, and really didn't know who He was.
But Bill O is just watchin' out for the folks.
Killing Jesus is on National Geographic channel now and starting again at 10 CST.
I forgot it was tonight so will record the 10 oclock showing. Hope it's all Bill O sold it as.
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 09:36 PM (W2Cji)
Almost through. Apparently, JC performed no miracles, and really didn't know who He was.
But Bill O is just watchin' out for the folks.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at March 29, 2015 09:57 PM (yxw0r)
149
148, this movie is somewhat disappointing.
Posted by: fastfreefall at March 29, 2015 09:59 PM (pqOzY)
150
I have no idea where you guys find all of these $250 S&W revolvers
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 29, 2015 10:00 PM (dULJN)
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I have no idea where you guys find all of these $250 S&W revolvers
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 29, 2015 10:00 PM (dULJN)
Diving in the lake. So many boating accidents...
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 29, 2015 10:00 PM (dULJN)
Diving in the lake. So many boating accidents...
Posted by: The Divin' Hat at March 29, 2015 10:02 PM (0Ew3K)
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Jade Sea @ 111, let me echo flygal's "well said".
And add my own mini-rant.
It's not stupid women, it's stupid people, both genders (oh FFS there are only two, OK?).
And I'm sick of living in a state/country with these people, but esp. now, when I am actually harmed by their stupidity - the rule of law and the constitution being so eroded that one of their principal values (protection from practical consequences of living with stupid people) has almost disappeared.
How the f**k can this "state senator" from VT be viewed as any less stupid, insane, dangerous, and vile than the worst Klansman, the worst Nazi, the worst child-molester?
Good example of why/how I no longer view my fellow citizens as fellow citizens, really. I just happen to live here.
Jade Sea @ 111, let me echo flygal's "well said".
And add my own mini-rant.
It's not stupid women, it's stupid people, both genders (oh FFS there are only two, OK?).
And I'm sick of living in a state/country with these people, but esp. now, when I am actually harmed by their stupidity - the rule of law and the constitution being so eroded that one of their principal values (protection from practical consequences of living with stupid people) has almost disappeared.
How the f**k can this "state senator" from VT be viewed as any less stupid, insane, dangerous, and vile than the worst Klansman, the worst Nazi, the worst child-molester?
Good example of why/how I no longer view my fellow citizens as fellow citizens, really. I just happen to live here.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 29, 2015 10:03 PM (afQnV)
153
Anyone catch the advertisements for new natgeo show with kal penn? Another neil duhgrass tyson kind of programming with a very unfunny dude.
Posted by: fastfreefall at March 29, 2015 10:03 PM (pqOzY)
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148 Bob's House of Fs and wcs,
Yup....like I said I'm waiting on Billy Shamrock to calumny Jihadi Jim's messiah....
I am so sick and tired of Jesus being the west's punching dummy...
Yup....like I said I'm waiting on Billy Shamrock to calumny Jihadi Jim's messiah....
I am so sick and tired of Jesus being the west's punching dummy...
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 10:04 PM (/4AZU)
155
"to look at it another way, have you considered getting a handgun and
pistol caliber carbine? so as to share ammo as a cost cutting measure.
"
I like the I idea. I "may" have done it myself.
pistol caliber carbine? so as to share ammo as a cost cutting measure.
"
I like the I idea. I "may" have done it myself.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 29, 2015 10:04 PM (xia9n)
156
Nicely done, #111. Well said.
Posted by: fly gal at March 29, 2015 09:50 PM (sKq6w)
thank you very much. I feel that I am completely alone most days - except for the morons that is.
Posted by: fly gal at March 29, 2015 09:50 PM (sKq6w)
thank you very much. I feel that I am completely alone most days - except for the morons that is.
Posted by: Jade Sea at March 29, 2015 10:05 PM (wPLWJ)
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I have no idea where you guys find all of these $250 SW revolvers
>>>
Mine came from a guy that needed rent money. Right place right time and hanging out with the right/wrong crowd. I have only bought 2 of my guns in a store.
>>>
Mine came from a guy that needed rent money. Right place right time and hanging out with the right/wrong crowd. I have only bought 2 of my guns in a store.
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 10:06 PM (W2Cji)
158
If you're going to buy a cap and ball piece for home defense, you should insist on public speaking lessons be included in the package.
You're going to need them to entertain your guests while you reload.
You're going to need them to entertain your guests while you reload.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 29, 2015 10:07 PM (JBzwC)
159
So shot my second tactical shotgun match today.
One of the most enjoyable shootin' matches I do. Importantly, there are 1) lots of rounds shot (100+, minimum to justify half a day spent), 2) interesting tactical choices and options 3) action, motion, physical difficulty apart from the pure shooting part.
Use a stock Mossberg 500, so 5+1, lots of "tactical reloads". When I actually practice I'll get much better, as I see from improving in each of the 7 stages today.
Not gonna modify the shotgun or get another one, may consider getting the spring-loaded belt-clip shellholders that keep the shells lined up one way for easier loading. I like keeping everything stock and basic, leaving only one way (improving myself) to get better.
So shot my second tactical shotgun match today.
One of the most enjoyable shootin' matches I do. Importantly, there are 1) lots of rounds shot (100+, minimum to justify half a day spent), 2) interesting tactical choices and options 3) action, motion, physical difficulty apart from the pure shooting part.
Use a stock Mossberg 500, so 5+1, lots of "tactical reloads". When I actually practice I'll get much better, as I see from improving in each of the 7 stages today.
Not gonna modify the shotgun or get another one, may consider getting the spring-loaded belt-clip shellholders that keep the shells lined up one way for easier loading. I like keeping everything stock and basic, leaving only one way (improving myself) to get better.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 29, 2015 10:07 PM (afQnV)
160
111
Sorry/ rant off.
Posted by: Jade Sea at March 29, 2015 09:24 PM (wPLWJ)
Absolutely. I happened to see on Slate this week a repost of a silly article from 1999, where this woman wrote about how she'd get the vapors every time she saw one of her husband's guns, and that her kid's teacher was horrified that some of her students had viewed guns in real life.
I'm kind of old, so I remember when the "women's lib" movement was about doing the same empowering things that men do, like playing and working outdoors, learning new physical skills, and being brave. Where I grew up, girls played sports, learned to shoot, and drive all kinds of large vehicles and boats, maybe rode horses, etc.
I was embarrassed that this woman was so weepy and helpless. Some of these women today seem proud of their incompetence.
Sorry/ rant off.
Posted by: Jade Sea at March 29, 2015 09:24 PM (wPLWJ)
Absolutely. I happened to see on Slate this week a repost of a silly article from 1999, where this woman wrote about how she'd get the vapors every time she saw one of her husband's guns, and that her kid's teacher was horrified that some of her students had viewed guns in real life.
I'm kind of old, so I remember when the "women's lib" movement was about doing the same empowering things that men do, like playing and working outdoors, learning new physical skills, and being brave. Where I grew up, girls played sports, learned to shoot, and drive all kinds of large vehicles and boats, maybe rode horses, etc.
I was embarrassed that this woman was so weepy and helpless. Some of these women today seem proud of their incompetence.
Posted by: stace at March 29, 2015 10:09 PM (ImzkZ)
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 10:10 PM (/4AZU)
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Jade Sea!!
Yes.
Screw the Feminists, SJW, Ds that think abortion on demand is a birth control method, but don't think of it as killing anyone.
I'm in Massachusetts & ready to move to Texas & know I'll need a gun to kill snakes, etc & never had one.
I'm looking forward to leaving & learning.
Very well said.
Please don't waste your time trying to change minds of stupid people. I've tried & all I hear are all those republicans that are going to ru pm suck, but I'm an independent & vote for best candidate. I talked to my older brother's ex last week.
It's a shame that at 65 & one of 4 children their parents had the smartest one is mentally retarded, has epilepsy & another affliction that I'll remember as soon as I post.
He is the only one but its a shame & he wasn't born that way. He had very high fever as baby & was sick & doctor didn't listen to his mother.
Yes.
Screw the Feminists, SJW, Ds that think abortion on demand is a birth control method, but don't think of it as killing anyone.
I'm in Massachusetts & ready to move to Texas & know I'll need a gun to kill snakes, etc & never had one.
I'm looking forward to leaving & learning.
Very well said.
Please don't waste your time trying to change minds of stupid people. I've tried & all I hear are all those republicans that are going to ru pm suck, but I'm an independent & vote for best candidate. I talked to my older brother's ex last week.
It's a shame that at 65 & one of 4 children their parents had the smartest one is mentally retarded, has epilepsy & another affliction that I'll remember as soon as I post.
He is the only one but its a shame & he wasn't born that way. He had very high fever as baby & was sick & doctor didn't listen to his mother.
Posted by: Carol at March 29, 2015 10:11 PM (sj3Ax)
163
I have no idea where you guys find all of these $250 SW revolvers
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway
Recovered from the bottom of a lake, I think.
There's lots of guns down there, I hear.
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway
Recovered from the bottom of a lake, I think.
There's lots of guns down there, I hear.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....on Sunday evening at March 29, 2015 10:12 PM (+1T7c)
164
Cap and ball is for fun. And they are fun.
Personally I have the happies for black powder cartridge arms too.
I can claim that 11mm is my lucky diameter
Personally I have the happies for black powder cartridge arms too.
I can claim that 11mm is my lucky diameter
Posted by: Kindltot at March 29, 2015 10:13 PM (t//F+)
165
This may be a religious matter, but I've shot both the Desert Eagle .380 and the Ruger LCP.
I bought the LCP, and I've never regretted doing so. Also, for another $150, you can outfit the Ruger with the very cool Viridian Green Dot laser with the auto-shutoff holster. Pull it and you've got a live laser. Slip it back into the holster and the laser turns off.
I bought the LCP, and I've never regretted doing so. Also, for another $150, you can outfit the Ruger with the very cool Viridian Green Dot laser with the auto-shutoff holster. Pull it and you've got a live laser. Slip it back into the holster and the laser turns off.
Posted by: Bill Quick at March 29, 2015 10:14 PM (4WboX)
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 10:14 PM (/4AZU)
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Jade Sea @ 111, let me echo flygal's "well said".
And add my own mini-rant.
It's not stupid women, it's stupid people, both genders (oh FFS there are only two, OK?).
And I'm sick of living in a state/country with these people, but esp. now, when I am actually harmed by their stupidity - the rule of law and the constitution being so eroded that one of their principal values (protection from practical consequences of living with stupid people) has almost disappeared.
How the f**k can this "state senator" from VT be viewed as any less stupid, insane, dangerous, and vile than the worst Klansman, the worst Nazi, the worst child-molester?
Good example of why/how I no longer view my fellow citizens as fellow citizens, really. I just happen to live here.
Posted by: rhomboid
Thank you for the perspective.
Here's the thing - - I would be willing to bet that there are more vulnerable people dependent upon you, fly girl and I than upon the "senator" pictured above. I have some handicapped people who depend upon me and and my man to be there when they are needed. People who are connected to reality know the dangers and challenges of life and are ready and willing to meet it. People who are FOS are not.
And add my own mini-rant.
It's not stupid women, it's stupid people, both genders (oh FFS there are only two, OK?).
And I'm sick of living in a state/country with these people, but esp. now, when I am actually harmed by their stupidity - the rule of law and the constitution being so eroded that one of their principal values (protection from practical consequences of living with stupid people) has almost disappeared.
How the f**k can this "state senator" from VT be viewed as any less stupid, insane, dangerous, and vile than the worst Klansman, the worst Nazi, the worst child-molester?
Good example of why/how I no longer view my fellow citizens as fellow citizens, really. I just happen to live here.
Posted by: rhomboid
Thank you for the perspective.
Here's the thing - - I would be willing to bet that there are more vulnerable people dependent upon you, fly girl and I than upon the "senator" pictured above. I have some handicapped people who depend upon me and and my man to be there when they are needed. People who are connected to reality know the dangers and challenges of life and are ready and willing to meet it. People who are FOS are not.
Posted by: Jade Sea at March 29, 2015 10:15 PM (wPLWJ)
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Posted by: Kindltot at March 29, 2015 10:13 PM (t//F+)
A lot of people were killed with cap and ball revolvers.
Accuracy is more important than fire power.
I would rather hit a bad guy with one round from a cap and ball than miss him with 15 rounds from a modern pistol.
A lot of people were killed with cap and ball revolvers.
Accuracy is more important than fire power.
I would rather hit a bad guy with one round from a cap and ball than miss him with 15 rounds from a modern pistol.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 29, 2015 10:16 PM (Zu3d9)
169
IMHO Best deal going now in handguns is the Beretta 92S- used Italian Police model- 299 bucks from the big online gun dealers (Southern Ohio Guns) etc.
I like CZ 82's and have a couple. The P64 is nice but the DA trigger pull is a little heavy for some people.
The 92S only come ith 1 mag but you can get extra 15 round Beretta mags online for 20 bucks or so.
Shotguns , just pick one. I have an old remington 870 I use for snakes and such outdoors.
I bought a 590 Mossberg last year with the 20 inch barrel and extended tube for extra rounds. Its nice. They had one with the door breacher barrel on it but I was afraid I'd cut myself on the thing so I got the other one.
If zombies are around, I go to the saiga-12 with the 20 round drum.
I like CZ 82's and have a couple. The P64 is nice but the DA trigger pull is a little heavy for some people.
The 92S only come ith 1 mag but you can get extra 15 round Beretta mags online for 20 bucks or so.
Shotguns , just pick one. I have an old remington 870 I use for snakes and such outdoors.
I bought a 590 Mossberg last year with the 20 inch barrel and extended tube for extra rounds. Its nice. They had one with the door breacher barrel on it but I was afraid I'd cut myself on the thing so I got the other one.
If zombies are around, I go to the saiga-12 with the 20 round drum.
Posted by: The Walking Dude at March 29, 2015 10:17 PM (v6DZR)
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My last line of home defense is a flintlock that hasnt been fired in over 100 years - but I'm sure the bayonet still works.
Posted by: Jean at March 29, 2015 10:17 PM (ztOda)
171
Jade Sea - you're (we're) not alone.
But the (practical, political) stupidity you cite is actually now prevalent in much of society.
And (among other things) the collapse of the constitution and rule of law means that there are no barriers between intelligent, reasonable people and the vile authoritarian cretins like that VT senator.
Jade Sea - you're (we're) not alone.
But the (practical, political) stupidity you cite is actually now prevalent in much of society.
And (among other things) the collapse of the constitution and rule of law means that there are no barriers between intelligent, reasonable people and the vile authoritarian cretins like that VT senator.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 29, 2015 10:17 PM (afQnV)
172
168 Charlie Brown's magic wand,
While true, I do prefer cartridges for logistics wrt "go boom"....
Kirst let's you do both with a 58
While true, I do prefer cartridges for logistics wrt "go boom"....
Kirst let's you do both with a 58
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 10:18 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 29, 2015 10:18 PM (Zu3d9)
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grog recommend rock.
never misfire.
always go thump.
grog has pile of rock under bed.
actually bed is pile of rock... grog sad.
never misfire.
always go thump.
grog has pile of rock under bed.
actually bed is pile of rock... grog sad.
Posted by: grog at March 29, 2015 10:19 PM (JBzwC)
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 10:19 PM (/4AZU)
176
Jack hole - I just checked J and G Sales. The ~$275 S&W Model 64 I bought a few months ago is now running ~$450.
Posted by: Butch at March 29, 2015 10:19 PM (HLx1C)
177
If you're going to buy a cap and ball piece for home defense, you should insist on public speaking lessons be included in the package.
You're going to need them to entertain your guests while you reload.
Buy 2 cap&ball guns and you have 10 shots. That ought to do.
You're going to need them to entertain your guests while you reload.
Buy 2 cap&ball guns and you have 10 shots. That ought to do.
Posted by: fairweatherbill at March 29, 2015 10:20 PM (xrURQ)
178
Getting "House Guns" that the wife is comfortable with depends on how you go about it, I suppose.
Starting with a .22, then a .38 (in a .357 frame), followed by a full-size 1911 worked for me.
I just wish she was as enthusiastic at reloading .45ACP as she is at emptying them...
Starting with a .22, then a .38 (in a .357 frame), followed by a full-size 1911 worked for me.
I just wish she was as enthusiastic at reloading .45ACP as she is at emptying them...
Posted by: ChrisP at March 29, 2015 10:20 PM (UxULo)
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 10:22 PM (/4AZU)
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Not sure I'd care if most of my guns didn't fire (happy they all do but not why I keep them). I find a lot of my collection to be a mix of history and art. there are 3-4 that are real tools I depend on the rest I just like because looking at them and holding them makes me happy. Just like some get excited about baseball cards or comic books. It has nothing to do with need it's want of art that makes me happy after the first 4.
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 10:23 PM (W2Cji)
181
How the f**k can this "state senator" from VT be
viewed as any less stupid, insane, dangerous, and vile than the worst
Klansman, the worst Nazi, the worst child-molester?
Good example of why/how I no longer view my fellow citizens as fellow citizens, really. I just happen to live here.
Posted by: rhomboid
She got unelected in ....Vermont! Because that NRA was after her and said all kinds of mean things and lies about her.
Wherever you go, there is some busybody trying to mess with you. Most people aren't like that, at least where I live. There are a couple of busybodies down the street, but since my kids are out of school, I don't have to mess with them anymore (the one's a teacher at the high school).
People everywhere want to stick there nose, somehow, into your business. If they get elected to something, then you really have to watch out for them; political power corrupts everyone, eventually.
Vermont is so painfully white, it's funny. No rappers up there shooting each other left and right. Watching "Law and Order"is funny because it's always some clever white guy doing the crime. Sure.
viewed as any less stupid, insane, dangerous, and vile than the worst
Klansman, the worst Nazi, the worst child-molester?
Good example of why/how I no longer view my fellow citizens as fellow citizens, really. I just happen to live here.
Posted by: rhomboid
She got unelected in ....Vermont! Because that NRA was after her and said all kinds of mean things and lies about her.
Wherever you go, there is some busybody trying to mess with you. Most people aren't like that, at least where I live. There are a couple of busybodies down the street, but since my kids are out of school, I don't have to mess with them anymore (the one's a teacher at the high school).
People everywhere want to stick there nose, somehow, into your business. If they get elected to something, then you really have to watch out for them; political power corrupts everyone, eventually.
Vermont is so painfully white, it's funny. No rappers up there shooting each other left and right. Watching "Law and Order"is funny because it's always some clever white guy doing the crime. Sure.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....on Sunday evening at March 29, 2015 10:24 PM (+1T7c)
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Latest Black powder of mine is a Rogers and Spencer .44, made in Willowville NY between 1863/65.
Nice heavy REALLY accurate topstrap (solid frame like a modern revolver) that is an easy shooter.
There is some discussion as to whether they were used in the war due to the late arrival. No real definitive knowledge about that far as I'm aware.
I like the topstraps because of the strength and believe that is the secret to the accuracy--no flex and consistent cylinder alignment.
Latest Black powder of mine is a Rogers and Spencer .44, made in Willowville NY between 1863/65.
Nice heavy REALLY accurate topstrap (solid frame like a modern revolver) that is an easy shooter.
There is some discussion as to whether they were used in the war due to the late arrival. No real definitive knowledge about that far as I'm aware.
I like the topstraps because of the strength and believe that is the secret to the accuracy--no flex and consistent cylinder alignment.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 29, 2015 10:25 PM (jeCnD)
183
Too be honest asfter 5 rnd of blackpowder in a confined space, no body is going to see or hear much of your performance.
Posted by: Jean at March 29, 2015 10:26 PM (ztOda)
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Best handguns for under $500.........and no revolvers?
Somebody probably already pointed that out but just saying.
Somebody probably already pointed that out but just saying.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 29, 2015 10:27 PM (xia9n)
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My son and his friends are all libertarians - they say the GOP means nothing. I've tried to argue the point but increasingly I think they are right.
They are not "legalize pot" libertarians but "get the government the hell out out of our way" libertarians. Very passionate about freedom and small government. Very po'd with the betrayal by the current parties. Very patriotic and very convinced that men need to stand for what is right.
I think the next generation of Boston Tea party patriots may be getting ready to stand.
May God Bless America - enough to make us stand for that which is right.
They are not "legalize pot" libertarians but "get the government the hell out out of our way" libertarians. Very passionate about freedom and small government. Very po'd with the betrayal by the current parties. Very patriotic and very convinced that men need to stand for what is right.
I think the next generation of Boston Tea party patriots may be getting ready to stand.
May God Bless America - enough to make us stand for that which is right.
Posted by: Jade Sea at March 29, 2015 10:28 PM (wPLWJ)
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Dunno about $250 Smith ampersand Wessons, but of course as in all areas timing can be everything.
Indoor range I belong to had a Colt King Cobra snub-nose sitting there, andthe price seemed low. Consignment sale. I handled it, talked with the shop owner about it, and he agreed it was under-priced. It had a bobbed hammer, and handling marks (stainless snub model).
I left it there, and each week when I came in I checked, still there. Meanwhile I'd seen on Gunbroker where these models were going for multiples of the consignment sale price. So finally I bought it. Replacement hammer and three trips to Colt later (refinish, hammer replacement, chamber honing as one of them was very tight, brass would not eject),the thing is worth nearly 4 times what I have in it.
Which is uttermeaningless b.s. - becauseI'd never think of selling it. Of course I want to shoot it, and now (eventually)will spend more on a holster, andsome fancy wood grips.
Dunno about $250 Smith ampersand Wessons, but of course as in all areas timing can be everything.
Indoor range I belong to had a Colt King Cobra snub-nose sitting there, andthe price seemed low. Consignment sale. I handled it, talked with the shop owner about it, and he agreed it was under-priced. It had a bobbed hammer, and handling marks (stainless snub model).
I left it there, and each week when I came in I checked, still there. Meanwhile I'd seen on Gunbroker where these models were going for multiples of the consignment sale price. So finally I bought it. Replacement hammer and three trips to Colt later (refinish, hammer replacement, chamber honing as one of them was very tight, brass would not eject),the thing is worth nearly 4 times what I have in it.
Which is uttermeaningless b.s. - becauseI'd never think of selling it. Of course I want to shoot it, and now (eventually)will spend more on a holster, andsome fancy wood grips.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 29, 2015 10:28 PM (afQnV)
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Carol, before you move to Tx let me buy you one of those RangerUp T-shirts: You can all go to hell, I'm going to Texas, to wear around Mass.
Carol, before you move to Tx let me buy you one of those RangerUp T-shirts: You can all go to hell, I'm going to Texas, to wear around Mass.
Posted by: Jean at March 29, 2015 10:29 PM (ztOda)
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Best handguns for under $500.........and no revolvers?
Somebody probably already pointed that out but just saying.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 29, 2015 10:27 PM (xia9n)
******
I think the original request, now way upthread, mentioned pistols.
Somebody probably already pointed that out but just saying.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 29, 2015 10:27 PM (xia9n)
******
I think the original request, now way upthread, mentioned pistols.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 29, 2015 10:29 PM (XrHO0)
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182 irongrampa,
Top straps are good, I think the 51s have accuracy with open tops b/c of the barrel harmonics of a 7.5 in hexagonal barrel....
The two combined would be interesting.....
Once we get to Montana I may look into getting a Starr "because"
Top straps are good, I think the 51s have accuracy with open tops b/c of the barrel harmonics of a 7.5 in hexagonal barrel....
The two combined would be interesting.....
Once we get to Montana I may look into getting a Starr "because"
Posted by: Sven10077 at March 29, 2015 10:31 PM (/4AZU)
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Jim @ 147,
Elisabeth that posts on ONT sent me an email with tons of info on Marble Falls. I want to visit & have looked & saved homes in MF.
I haven't read anything negative from The Horde About Marble Falls.
Thank you, Jim!!
Elisabeth that posts on ONT sent me an email with tons of info on Marble Falls. I want to visit & have looked & saved homes in MF.
I haven't read anything negative from The Horde About Marble Falls.
Thank you, Jim!!
Posted by: Carol at March 29, 2015 10:31 PM (sj3Ax)
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Carol, before you move to Tx let me buy you one of those RangerUp T-shirts: You can all go to hell, I'm going to Texas, to wear around Mass.
Posted by: Jean at March 29, 2015 10:29 PM (ztOda)
The best looks I've gotten was my 'Don't tread on me' in Hebrew shirt.
They don't know what to hate more. But it's not a bumper sticker, they actually have to confront someone so nothing has happened.
Carol, before you move to Tx let me buy you one of those RangerUp T-shirts: You can all go to hell, I'm going to Texas, to wear around Mass.
Posted by: Jean at March 29, 2015 10:29 PM (ztOda)
The best looks I've gotten was my 'Don't tread on me' in Hebrew shirt.
They don't know what to hate more. But it's not a bumper sticker, they actually have to confront someone so nothing has happened.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 29, 2015 10:35 PM (XAFOu)
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"I think the original request, now way upthread, mentioned pistols."
The link and the article both say "handgun."
The link and the article both say "handgun."
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 29, 2015 10:36 PM (xia9n)
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Found a very nice Dreyse .32ACP at the swap meet yesterday. Very low serial number ( dates to early 19teens), no import marks, and 3 German Imperial Army marks in the correct place. Designed by Louis Schmeisser.
Google it... stylistically, its the most machinery-style pocket pistol ever made. Very Germanic. I assume it was used in the Great War, probably to execute the wounded, or some similarly insensitive Teutonic behavior.
Google it... stylistically, its the most machinery-style pocket pistol ever made. Very Germanic. I assume it was used in the Great War, probably to execute the wounded, or some similarly insensitive Teutonic behavior.
Posted by: retropox at March 29, 2015 10:36 PM (/hTXh)
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I like Sicorro NM, but thats because I got to blow lots of shit up there.
Posted by: Jean at March 29, 2015 10:36 PM (ztOda)
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Jade Sea: Aim the kids at Mises.com or FEE.org. Decades worth of writings there.
Tell 'em to have lots of fun too.
(I'm sort of evil, I sent a friend who is taking a macro-economics course there because they have wonderful definitions on economic terms and the context to understand what they actually mean)
Tell 'em to have lots of fun too.
(I'm sort of evil, I sent a friend who is taking a macro-economics course there because they have wonderful definitions on economic terms and the context to understand what they actually mean)
Posted by: Kindltot at March 29, 2015 10:37 PM (t//F+)
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Just got back from Vegas yesterday after 4 days and the bluebonnets are coming up. 2 of the girls that work with my husbands company up in NY did a shooting tour thing while we were in Vegas. Got the package to shoot 5 different guns including one fully auto one. They had a blast. I didn't go since I can do it pretty much anytime I want in Texas. The fully auto one would take a bit of arranging but is still fairly easy if you have money.
Posted by: lindafell is cruzin' at March 29, 2015 10:38 PM (xVgrA)
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oh. and the old hippie who sold it for 200 bucks had no idea what it was. "just a gun, man. I think its got German words on it".
Posted by: retropox at March 29, 2015 10:39 PM (/hTXh)
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retropox, you ever find that piece to be morally worrisome, sell it here first.
Posted by: Jean at March 29, 2015 10:40 PM (ztOda)
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Glad to hear it, Jade Sea.
Real libertarians are not the "free drugs" crowd. They buy the whole package: Limited Constitutional government, free market capitalism, and individual liberty/individual responsibility.
Young people hate being told what to do. I can't help but think that many are getting sick and tired of the totalitarian statists in DC.
Real libertarians are not the "free drugs" crowd. They buy the whole package: Limited Constitutional government, free market capitalism, and individual liberty/individual responsibility.
Young people hate being told what to do. I can't help but think that many are getting sick and tired of the totalitarian statists in DC.
Posted by: Jesus at March 29, 2015 10:40 PM (sdi6R)
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Carol, you're welcome, ma'am. I think you'll truly enjoy Marble Falls.
RWC.... amigo, if you've got a link to that Don't Tread on Me shirt, Hebrew Edition, do please post it here, pronto!
I'll order me those in every color they've got, and two for Sundays. Well, being Hebrew, Saturdays?
Oh, all right. Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.
Picky, picky, picky.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
RWC.... amigo, if you've got a link to that Don't Tread on Me shirt, Hebrew Edition, do please post it here, pronto!
I'll order me those in every color they've got, and two for Sundays. Well, being Hebrew, Saturdays?
Oh, all right. Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.
Picky, picky, picky.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at March 29, 2015 10:40 PM (RzZOc)
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Jade Sea: Aim the kids at Mises.com or FEE.org. Decades worth of writings there.
Tell 'em to have lots of fun too.
(I'm sort of evil, I sent a friend who is taking a macro-economics course there because they have wonderful definitions on economic terms and the context to understand what they actually mean)
Posted by: Kindltot
OK I looked (briefly) at the sites. What's the bottom line?
Tell 'em to have lots of fun too.
(I'm sort of evil, I sent a friend who is taking a macro-economics course there because they have wonderful definitions on economic terms and the context to understand what they actually mean)
Posted by: Kindltot
OK I looked (briefly) at the sites. What's the bottom line?
Posted by: Jade Sea at March 29, 2015 10:41 PM (wPLWJ)
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Sock. Off.
Posted by: rickl at March 29, 2015 10:41 PM (sdi6R)
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"On the Carlson quote, Snopes says nope. She was a gun-grabber indeed, but not quite that bad, and many moons ago.
Posted by: starboardhelm"
Although, Snopes' defense is basically "She totally denied saying it, so that proves it's false".
Posted by: starboardhelm"
Although, Snopes' defense is basically "She totally denied saying it, so that proves it's false".
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at March 29, 2015 10:41 PM (Wo9OY)
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sell it? the only score I ever made at a swap meet? sell my Schmeisser? my precious? it wants's my nasty little gunses? HA!
Posted by: retropox at March 29, 2015 10:43 PM (/hTXh)
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Posted by: retropox
I had a 1945 Walther P38. The history was cool because by the end of the war the finish machining was crude. So it was a piece that told a story of when and where it was made.
I had a 1945 Walther P38. The history was cool because by the end of the war the finish machining was crude. So it was a piece that told a story of when and where it was made.
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 10:44 PM (W2Cji)
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The Murry Burnham Game Calls come from Marble Falls, TX. That's all I got.
Posted by: fairweatherbill at March 29, 2015 10:45 PM (xrURQ)
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Is the Dreyse the one that has the canoe-like forward slide that has the sights sunk down in it?
Is the Dreyse the one that has the canoe-like forward slide that has the sights sunk down in it?
Posted by: Kindltot at March 29, 2015 10:45 PM (t//F+)
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yes. not all did, though, Kindltot.
Posted by: retropox at March 29, 2015 10:48 PM (5tDxa)
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Although, Snopes' defense is basically "She totally denied saying it, so that proves it's false".
Posted by: AshevilleRobert
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Snopes seems to routinely lean left.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert
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Snopes seems to routinely lean left.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 29, 2015 10:48 PM (4Mv1T)
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To my surprise, I've always shot the Colt-style C&Bs well despite the hammer notch rear sight and my aging eyes. The open top design is certainly strong enough for black powder pressures. And there is something about the balance and 'pointablity' that for me. Being able to remove the barrel assembly makes clean up easier.
The Ruger Old Army is still my favorite but the historical repros of Colt and Remington have their charms and are still effective.
The Ruger Old Army is still my favorite but the historical repros of Colt and Remington have their charms and are still effective.
Posted by: JTB at March 29, 2015 10:52 PM (FvdPb)
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ONT...
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 29, 2015 10:52 PM (xia9n)
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Old Blue, check out Bud's Gun Shop on line. He runs weekly specials that often include good deals on a variety of quality hand guns. This week he had S + W M10 .38 Spl. Police turn-ins for $284.00 delivered.
Posted by: PPs43 at March 29, 2015 10:53 PM (gs8t9)
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Jade Sea:
They both state that freedom is essential and are willing to argue it beyond "because"
They often conflict with what I believe, and they make me think about it, and the various authors generally provide clear, concise and specific data for what they argue.
Mises is strictly an economic view, based ultimately on the works of Carl Menger and Ludwig von Mises, and these views support classic liberal values because they work best for this concept of economics;
FEE is more based on the work of Murray Rothbard. and supports economic freedom because it supports the advancement of classical liberalism.
And they don't always agree.
But for providing a discussion on something other than Keynsian economics, and criticism of the current trend of Keynsian economics they are incredible.
both sites have been at this for years and have lots of articles in the archives.
They both state that freedom is essential and are willing to argue it beyond "because"
They often conflict with what I believe, and they make me think about it, and the various authors generally provide clear, concise and specific data for what they argue.
Mises is strictly an economic view, based ultimately on the works of Carl Menger and Ludwig von Mises, and these views support classic liberal values because they work best for this concept of economics;
FEE is more based on the work of Murray Rothbard. and supports economic freedom because it supports the advancement of classical liberalism.
And they don't always agree.
But for providing a discussion on something other than Keynsian economics, and criticism of the current trend of Keynsian economics they are incredible.
both sites have been at this for years and have lots of articles in the archives.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 29, 2015 10:55 PM (t//F+)
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Also found a Husquvarna 1907, the Swedish contract for the FN 1903, at a local shop. A john Browning design with his oddball 9mm Long cartridge. St. John of Browning gave up on the Long 9mm, and 8 years later produced the immortal 1911. The Husky is the size of a 1911, but is hammerless like his 1903 .32. It looks like a 1903 hammerless on steroids. And none of you morons can haz it, either.
Posted by: retropox at March 29, 2015 10:56 PM (NT/K7)
Posted by: Robinson at March 29, 2015 11:06 PM (W2Cji)
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I read the "Killing Jesus" book of which Bill O was a co author.
I learned a couple of things.
1) Pontius Pilate later converted to Christianity and was assassinated, maybe for that, maybe not, but he is recognized as a Christian martyr in some circles.
2) All disciples were killed for their faith except for St. John.
Oh, and, yes I own guns.
And that Vermont Senator quote is worthy of some skepticism.
I learned a couple of things.
1) Pontius Pilate later converted to Christianity and was assassinated, maybe for that, maybe not, but he is recognized as a Christian martyr in some circles.
2) All disciples were killed for their faith except for St. John.
Oh, and, yes I own guns.
And that Vermont Senator quote is worthy of some skepticism.
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at March 29, 2015 11:07 PM (JgC5a)
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I went shooting today. Went out into the desert with a friend, and took the Moisin-Nagant, and he brought along a Browning .22 pistol and a Czech ZZ58.
The M-N gave us some grief with a very stiff-acting bolt, but if you got a round chambered, it went bang every time, and the bullet landed near the point of aim. And my shoulder isn't all beat to shit, either.
The ZZ58 with the red dot sight is big fun, too.
All in all, a very enjoyable day. And the cactus is in flower, too.
The M-N gave us some grief with a very stiff-acting bolt, but if you got a round chambered, it went bang every time, and the bullet landed near the point of aim. And my shoulder isn't all beat to shit, either.
The ZZ58 with the red dot sight is big fun, too.
All in all, a very enjoyable day. And the cactus is in flower, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 29, 2015 11:11 PM (eenKj)
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The trapdoor was Stephen Vincent Benet's (Chief of Ordnance at the time, he who later wrote the ghastly line, "Bury my heart at Wounded Knee"), brainchild. Cavalry regiments had been buying Spencer repeaters out of their own funds (ie, pass the hat) since the Civil War, although Benet wanted a standardized breechloading shoulder arm for horse and foot branches of the Army.
Survivors of the 7th Cavalry never forgave him as they thought the Spencers might have saved the regiment.
Survivors of the 7th Cavalry never forgave him as they thought the Spencers might have saved the regiment.
Posted by: formwiz at March 30, 2015 11:10 AM (3rwvI)
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I believe the Spencer was issued. Henrys were purchased by the troops during the Civil War.
The trapdoor was more an expedient design then a real advancement. Repeaters had been around since at least 1860, and breachloaders superior to the trapdoor. The trapdoor design allowed Civil War rifle muskets to be converted to breachloaders, a money saving decision. Later the 1873 trapdoor was a new rifle, using the same trapdoor design.
The Remington rolling block and the Sharps were contemporary single shot rifles that were probably superior to the trapdoor.
That said, the trapdoor carbine in the picture is nice looking.
I believe the Spencer was issued. Henrys were purchased by the troops during the Civil War.
The trapdoor was more an expedient design then a real advancement. Repeaters had been around since at least 1860, and breachloaders superior to the trapdoor. The trapdoor design allowed Civil War rifle muskets to be converted to breachloaders, a money saving decision. Later the 1873 trapdoor was a new rifle, using the same trapdoor design.
The Remington rolling block and the Sharps were contemporary single shot rifles that were probably superior to the trapdoor.
That said, the trapdoor carbine in the picture is nice looking.
Posted by: DonS at March 30, 2015 12:27 PM (MLzEj)
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"That said, the trapdoor carbine in the picture is nice looking."
Agreed. The trap door Springfield is my favorite old-timey rifle, mainly because of it's association with the post-Civil War Indian campaigns and it's unique design.
Agreed. The trap door Springfield is my favorite old-timey rifle, mainly because of it's association with the post-Civil War Indian campaigns and it's unique design.
Posted by: WarEagle01 at March 30, 2015 01:34 PM (ko+Ss)
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This is an unknown to me. Three lines behind the hammer.
REMINGTONS . ILION . NY . U.S.A
PAT MAY 3D NOV 15TH 1864 APRIL 17TH 186?
AUG 27TH 1867 NOV 7TH 187?
APPEARS TO BE A SMALL HALF LINE UNDER D AFTER PAT MAY 3
THINK THE LAST NUMBER OF LINE 2 IS A 6
CANNOT MAKE OUT LAST NUMBER OF LINE 3, GUESS ITS A 1
a SIDEWAYS S BEFORE THE REAR LADDER STYLE REAR SIGHT, AND A WINGED B LEFT FRONT OF THE RECEIVER
TWO WORDS ARE ON THE SWIVLE RING, CANT MAKE THEM OUT
Not a rifle, appears to be a carbine, about 23 1/2 inch barrel about 30 cal
Anyone with more brains and less guesses know anything about this ?
REMINGTONS . ILION . NY . U.S.A
PAT MAY 3D NOV 15TH 1864 APRIL 17TH 186?
AUG 27TH 1867 NOV 7TH 187?
APPEARS TO BE A SMALL HALF LINE UNDER D AFTER PAT MAY 3
THINK THE LAST NUMBER OF LINE 2 IS A 6
CANNOT MAKE OUT LAST NUMBER OF LINE 3, GUESS ITS A 1
a SIDEWAYS S BEFORE THE REAR LADDER STYLE REAR SIGHT, AND A WINGED B LEFT FRONT OF THE RECEIVER
TWO WORDS ARE ON THE SWIVLE RING, CANT MAKE THEM OUT
Not a rifle, appears to be a carbine, about 23 1/2 inch barrel about 30 cal
Anyone with more brains and less guesses know anything about this ?
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