Of Course: Obama Now Turning on P5+1 Allies on Iran, Bullying Them Into Supporting a Bad Deal<br>The View From the French Security Establishment: Obama Is "Politically Naive," Thinks Iran Will Save Him In Syria and Iraq

Of Course: Obama Now Turning on P5+1 Allies on Iran, Bullying Them Into Supporting a Bad Deal
The View From the French Security Establishment: Obama Is "Politically Naive," Thinks Iran Will Save Him In Syria and Iraq

You know it's a bad deal when even the French are calling it too French.

By the way, kudos to the Free Beacon and Adam Kredo for what seems to be scoop.

LAUSANNE, Switzerland--Efforts by the Obama administration to stem criticism of its diplomacy with Iran have included threats to nations involved in the talks, including U.S. allies, according to Western sources familiar with White House efforts to quell fears it will permit Iran to retain aspects of its nuclear weapons program.
A series of conversations between top American and French officials, including between President Obama and French President Francois Hollande, have seen Americans engage in behavior described as bullying by sources who spoke to the Washington Free Beacon.
The disagreement over France’s cautious position in regard to Iran threatens to erode U.S. relations with Paris, sources said.
Tension between Washington and Paris comes amid frustration by other U.S. allies, such as Saudi Arabia and Israel. The White House responded to this criticism by engaging in public campaigns analysts worry will endanger American interests.

Benjamin Haddad, previously advisor to the French in negotiations and now a researcher at the Hudson Institute, said:

"The French want a deal, but they see no rush and repeat that Iranians need a deal more than we do, and that we shouldn't fix artificial deadlines that put more pressure on us than Iran."

But this "deal" is more about restraining Iran's enemies than Iran.

...
One source in Europe close to the ongoing diplomacy said the United States has begun to adopt a "harsh" stance toward its allies in Paris.
"There have been very harsh expressions of displeasure by the Americans toward French officials for raising substantive concerns about key elements of what the White House and State Department negotiators are willing to concede to Iran," said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "That is because the clarifications expose just how weak the Americans' deal is shaping up to be."

Thanks to @redsteeze.

The French View: Here's a report on this from two days ago (March 25), in Le Fig.

Tensions Between France and the United States on Iran's Nukes
The negotiations between the great powers and Iran restart Thursday at Lausanne, while the deadline of March 31 approaches.
...
The French ambassador to the UN, Francois Delattre, stated again to the Security Council: Iran's progress was "insufficient" for guaranteeing the longterm peaceful character of its nuclear program. We must have an agreement "robust" repeated Laurent Fabius [the Foreign Minister]. The tensions between the French and Americans concern many points of the deal, of which the technical details should be finalized June 30. Paris wants more [!!!!] restrictions on the program of Research and Development, in order to stop the Iranians from constructing even better centrifuges. France also wants the period of restriction to be 15 years rather than 10 [sought by Obama]. France is further skeptical of the idea of quickly suspending some UN sanctions. Barack Obama, say the French diplomats, seems to be ready to make concessions which are far removed from the objectives initially agreed to by the six great powers.

I should point out that France still thinks it's a great power, which is cute.

Then again, I guess we think that too.

"The differences are not made-up. At the core, it's about a strategic problem," comments Bruno Tertrais, director of research at the Foundation for Strategic Research (FRS). The White House wants to invest in the relationship with Iran for fixing the conflicts in the Middle East and especially in Syria and Iraq, where Teheran more and more openly pulls the strings. "It's political naivite. The White House has given in to illusions about the type of relationship that it thinks is possible to cultivate with Iran and of the possible positive consequences of an agreement on nukes on the [whole of the] Middle East," Tertrais further said.
Indeed, for long months, the French and Americans have no longer had the same definition of what would be a "bad deal."

So: Obama doesn't want to lead or even act in Syria and Iraq, and doesn't know what to do there.

So he's counting on Iran to fix these problems for him, and Iran is telling him the price of that is giving them their nukes.

And Obama, who never met a cop-out or "Present" vote he didn't like, is gung-ho to take that deal.

He will take any deal that gets him out to the golf-courses again.

BTW: This expert said this about Syria and Iraq two days ago -- but a White House source confirmed this was Obama's deluded thinking last night.

this is quite the quote http://t.co/BncR6LM2Cq pic.twitter.com/YSxM67FDIq
— Rosie Gray (@RosieGray) March 27, 2015

Posted by: Ace at 01:48 PM

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1 I thought liberals were opposed to bullying.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 27, 2015 01:49 PM (W5DcG)

2 Thank goodness we got rid of that cowboy Bush and got ourselves a President who will restore our standing in the world!

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at March 27, 2015 01:50 PM (CcljO)

3 #banbossy

Posted by: Kreplach at March 27, 2015 01:50 PM (4BkJG)

4 How dare these people disagree with "a nuclear deal" that's treason.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at March 27, 2015 01:50 PM (W+6Gl)

5 Our one saving grace is that the SCOAMF has so poisoned foreign relations that our "allies" are likely to reject this piece of shite just out of spite.

Posted by: Ken in NH at March 27, 2015 01:50 PM (MqjGP)

6 He's got to go!
What he's doing is dangerous to U. S. !

Posted by: Carol at March 27, 2015 01:51 PM (sj3Ax)

7 I thought liberals were opposed to bullying.

They're opposed to having their feewings hurt. They're very enthusiastic about being bullies.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at March 27, 2015 01:51 PM (/kI1Q)

8 This is just going on and on and on...

Posted by: HH at March 27, 2015 01:51 PM (Ce4DF)

9 If this diplomacy were any smarter we'd be totally out of allies.

Posted by: joncelli at March 27, 2015 01:51 PM (RD7QR)

10 Heads. Exploding.

The lefties love France. What will they do now?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 27, 2015 01:52 PM (LA7Cm)

11 I'm absolutely convinced there's a mushroom cloud or two in our future.

Thanks, JEF! Your commie parents would be proud.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 27, 2015 01:52 PM (FsuaD)

12 It is going to be hillarious if the French end up stalling this crap in the security council.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2015 01:52 PM (40li+)

13 FORE!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at March 27, 2015 01:52 PM (fLKzW)

14 >>The disagreement over France's cautious position in regard to Iran threatens to erode U.S. relations with Paris, sources said.

This is getting serious. James Taylor won't cut it this time.

It's time to call in Cat Stevens!

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2015 01:52 PM (g1DWB)

15 I still think we need to invite Canada to invade the US.

If the Muslims can hold a grudge since the 15th century it's not too much to expect some Canuck hostility from 1812, is it?

Come on, please. Come burn DC to the ground.

Posted by: JEM at March 27, 2015 01:52 PM (o+SC1)

16 The disagreement over France's cautious position in regard to Iran threatens to erode U.S. relations with Paris, sources said.

A) France has flouted us before.

B) It's only for 20 months or so.

Unless Gaylord tries to play hardball (unlike with enemies), I don't think they're going to roll over for him.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 27, 2015 01:53 PM (MMC8r)

17 Corgis called

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2015 01:53 PM (7DCTd)

18 13
FORE!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at March 27, 2015 01:52 PM (fLKzW)

Soon.

Posted by: Florida sinkhole at March 27, 2015 01:53 PM (FsuaD)

19 Choom Boy needs to cut back on the Wacky Tobaccy. It's altered his reality.

Posted by: ALH at March 27, 2015 01:53 PM (yAPdC)

20 Ummmmm Allies.... ahhhhhhh Schmallies. Now ahhhhh watch this drive.

Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at March 27, 2015 01:53 PM (fLKzW)

21 Posted by: joncelli at March 27, 2015 01:51 PM (RD7QR)

Nope.

Iran is shaping up to be best buddies with us (until they nuke us, that is).

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 27, 2015 01:53 PM (Zu3d9)

22 Sacre Bleu! You know when the French aresaying that we are surrendering....

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 27, 2015 01:53 PM (OD2ni)

23 Don't the French know they're violating the LOGAN ACT?!?!?

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 27, 2015 01:53 PM (MMC8r)

24 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT!
I have been getting tax info together.
I put it in for Allen G. And it is worth repeating!

Posted by: Carol at March 27, 2015 01:53 PM (sj3Ax)

25 The French are saying to us "Dude, sack up."

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 27, 2015 01:54 PM (LA7Cm)

26 France is out?

FRANCE is OUT??

Posted by: CNN Guy at March 27, 2015 01:54 PM (MMC8r)

27 Did Princess Precious ever take a call from the head of NATO? Or arrange a meeting? Or was his heading off for a golf trip to Florida more important?

I answered my own question.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 27, 2015 01:54 PM (FsuaD)

28 Never thought I'd look up to the French.........Thanks Obama!!

Posted by: Hill Country Texan at March 27, 2015 01:54 PM (YSIVw)

29 Got to hand it to Obama, only guy who could bring France and Israel together.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2015 01:55 PM (g1DWB)

30 Saudis want nukes too. Thanks SCOAMT!

Posted by: Carol at March 27, 2015 01:55 PM (sj3Ax)

31 Anything for His "Legacy" He absolutely can't be made to look bad.....He is a petulant, arrogant,pantywaist...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 27, 2015 01:55 PM (Bn6aD)

32 You know when the knives come out for your allies in negotiations that the fix was in before the negotiations ever began.

He truly is a muslim enabler.

Posted by: Gmac- Pulling in feelers in preperation... at March 27, 2015 01:55 PM (74McK)

33
Huh!

Posted by: Malcolm Renyolds at March 27, 2015 01:55 PM (+OFwL)

34 I know I am being hopeful on this, but would the details of this deal be enough to get the Dems on board with Sheriff Joe replacing him?

Joe's a bombastic idiot but not a treasonous piece of shit.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 27, 2015 01:55 PM (LtRrq)

35 So it's come to this. A Socialist French President is telling our President how to get the tank out of reverse?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 01:55 PM (0FSuD)

36 I still think we need to invite Canada to invade the US.

If the Muslims can hold a grudge since the 15th century it's not too much to expect some Canuck hostility from 1812, is it?

Come on, please. Come burn DC to the ground.

I mentioned exactly that to some Canadian friends. Even went so far as to offer to buy the gas.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2015 01:55 PM (7DCTd)

37 John Kerry is too French for the French.

Posted by: CNN Guy at March 27, 2015 01:55 PM (MMC8r)

38 Alleged President Obama, providing aid and comfort to America's enemies since 2009.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 27, 2015 01:55 PM (4WhSY)

39 If the Muslims can hold a grudge since the 15th century it's not too much to expect some Canuck hostility from 1812, is it?

I've been to Fort York. They think they won that war.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at March 27, 2015 01:56 PM (/kI1Q)

40 Ted Cruz defends his global warming position in the most awesome way
http://bit.ly/19Zu9Jo

Posted by: tmitsss at March 27, 2015 01:56 PM (Pa9vP)

41 Having missed the chance to peacefully depose the mullahs in 2009, Obama doubles down in his eager rush toward world war.

Posted by: MTF, vote for someone the GOP insiders hate! at March 27, 2015 01:57 PM (FCsIb)

42 Go long on potassium iodide tablets.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at March 27, 2015 01:57 PM (OsWis)

43
'Tension between Washington and Paris comes amid frustration by other U.S. allies, such as Saudi Arabia and Israel. The White House responded to this criticism by engaging in public campaigns analysts worry will endanger American interests.'

--

They are endangering Americans, period.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2015 01:57 PM (40li+)

44 I would pay cash money to see Hollande slap the SCOAMF across the face with a glove.

I'd call him a clown but this shit is getting serious.

Posted by: Kreplach at March 27, 2015 01:57 PM (4BkJG)

45 in one word:

Inept.

Posted by: TangoNine at March 27, 2015 01:57 PM (x3YFz)

46 A lot of "deals" in foreign policy turn out to be:

Tyrant gets what he wants.

Negotiators get "a deal".

Posted by: AmishDude at March 27, 2015 01:57 PM (L2xDv)

47 President Fem.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2015 01:58 PM (40li+)

48 37
John Kerry is too French for the French.

Posted by: CNN Guy at March 27, 2015 01:55 PM (MMC8r)

I also read somewhere that his toted French is barely High School level.

Why am I not surprised

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 01:58 PM (0FSuD)

49 Hey, everyone who said the French were too big of pussies to get Israels back when we walk away...

I told ya so.

They like to be the "elder statesmen" and talk shit about us yankee cowboys, but when push comes to shove, they can prove half a pair.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 01:58 PM (AkOaV)

50 Go long on potassium iodide tablets.

Have 6 bottles. 1 atwerk. 3 at home. 1 in each go bag.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2015 01:58 PM (7DCTd)

51 I have a serious question. What, exactly and precisely, is being negotiated?

It's not a treaty.

It doesn't appear to be a memorandum of understanding.

From what was said earlier in the week, it does not even appear that this will be in writing.

So what, exactly and precisely, is it?

Other than a type of weasel, of course.

Posted by: alexthechick - The end game has begun at March 27, 2015 01:58 PM (mf5HN)

52 42
Go long on potassium iodide tablets.

Posted by: SMFH

Some how I don't think they'll really be useful when the rad count pegs the meter.

Posted by: Gmac- Pulling in feelers in preperation... at March 27, 2015 01:59 PM (74McK)

53 So James Taylor wasn't a hit eh?

Posted by: meh at March 27, 2015 01:59 PM (yjRHe)

54 We know He's busy communicating to our allies....... from the golf course...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 27, 2015 01:59 PM (Bn6aD)

55 Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 01:58 PM (0FSuD)

I've heard him speak French.

It's about as good as my Spanish.

Which is to say... good enough to yell at the landscapers, but that's about it.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 01:59 PM (AkOaV)

56 The lefties love France. What will they do now?Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 27, 2015 01:52 PM (LA7Cm) Demonize.

Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2015 01:59 PM (xWW96)

57 Well. Twelfth Imam.

It's all going according to plan. Praise Allah!

Posted by: Prezzy Choom Boy at March 27, 2015 01:59 PM (FsuaD)

58

What difference, at this point, does it make?!/1/1!!?!?1??

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 27, 2015 01:59 PM (HSmrB)

59 I'm sure this isn't a big deal; otherwise all the Obama cultists on Facebook would be commenting on it. Instead, they're all focused on criticizing Republicans over ghey stuff. Literally ghey stuff.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 27, 2015 01:59 PM (7Kbxu)

60 So what, exactly and precisely, is it?

A gentleman's wink.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2015 01:59 PM (7DCTd)

61 France doesn't like Israel. They just don't like Iran having the bomb more, and can easily see the farce that's playing out.

Posted by: Bigby's Throw Yo Hands In De Air at March 27, 2015 01:59 PM (3ZtZW)

62
President Obama and his acolytes are acting like they're asshole Frenchmen instead of righteous Americans.

Posted by: Carla Bruni, Sarkozy's Main Squeeze at March 27, 2015 01:59 PM (P330y)

63 52,

Then pray you're at ground zero.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at March 27, 2015 01:59 PM (OsWis)

64 And in 20 months, the JEF and traveling butt sniffers will be no more and the adults will be back in charge.

We'll wait him out.

Posted by: The Euros at March 27, 2015 02:00 PM (p6WB6)

65 @1 I thought liberals were opposed to bullying.
----------------------

That's pretty much all that SJWs do...

Posted by: junior at March 27, 2015 02:00 PM (UWFpX)

66 50
Go long on potassium iodide tablets.

Have 6 bottles. 1 atwerk. 3 at home. 1 in each go bag.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2015 01:58 PM (7DCTd)

Duke Power gives them out. Not a good sign.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 02:00 PM (0FSuD)

67 Choom Boy needs to cut back on the Wacky Tobaccy. It's altered his reality.
Posted by: ALH at March 27, 2015 01:53 PM (yAPdC)

He's smoking the Willie Nelson signature blend.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 27, 2015 02:00 PM (W5DcG)

68
Hey Lurch, next time bring Jerrry Lewis.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 27, 2015 02:01 PM (OD2ni)

69 Posted by: alexthechick - The end game has begun at March 27, 2015 01:58 PM (mf5HN)

Obama wants a foreign policy "victory" for his legacy. Kind of like his domestic policy "victory" of ObamaCare.

So I don't think anyone gives a shit what comes of this, as long as his sycophants in the media get a few news cycles out of "Obama averted war with Iran!" and the progressive history profs who write the K-12 textbooks can write about how "Obama opened dialogue with the mullahs".

Of course, the next chapter in the textbook will be about how the next president fucked everything up when Iran nuked Israel.

But it won't be Obamas fault. No way.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:01 PM (AkOaV)

70 64,

Problem is, dunno if we will be able to. A lot of shit can go down in 20 months...or 20 weeks.

I'm not liking the odds.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at March 27, 2015 02:01 PM (OsWis)

71 "And in 20 months, the JEF and traveling butt sniffers will be no more and the adults will be back in charge."
==========

Exactly.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 27, 2015 02:01 PM (7Kbxu)

72 Does the world love us now that we got rid of George Bush?

Posted by: jwest at March 27, 2015 02:01 PM (9ZZd+)

73
I have a serious question. What, exactly and precisely, is being negotiated?

--

A plan to allow Iran to get a nuke and use it on Israel. Literally, that is his plan. The POS doesn't care if it is on paper, doesn't care if it gets voted on, or anything other than Iran getting the goods.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2015 02:01 PM (40li+)

74 France is guilty of violating the Logan Act and should be tried for treason

Posted by: Pedantic Joe, Buff for life at March 27, 2015 02:02 PM (PhNHa)

75 So, can we call fries "French" instead of "freedom" now?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 27, 2015 02:02 PM (FsuaD)

76 Have 6 bottles. 1 atwerk. 3 at home. 1 in each go bag.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2015 01:58 PM (7DCTd)

Jesus.

Well, I know who I'm mugging if a nuke goes off.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:02 PM (AkOaV)

77 I've almost come to the conclusion that this Obama fellow isn't terribly good at community organizing.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 27, 2015 02:02 PM (JBzwC)

78 Come on, please. Come burn DC to the ground.

Posted by: JEM at March 27, 2015 01:52 PM (o+SC1)

Give us Arizona and Hawaii, and Kate Upton. But mostly Kate Upton.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 27, 2015 02:02 PM (KefbY)

79 The original reason for bringing in the various co-negotiators was because Iran wouldn't talk to us, or if they did we never had any leverage.

We still don't have leverage, obviously. I don't know that we have any less than previously, but we certainly haven't done anything that might have created a *koff* newfound respect, as it were.

Posted by: Bigby's Throw Yo Hands In De Air at March 27, 2015 02:02 PM (3ZtZW)

80 Probably wants it done by the weekend so he has no distractions on his golf game in Florida.

Posted by: tu3031 at March 27, 2015 02:02 PM (i0wGQ)

81 I started to say Ha! Ha! Suck on it, Euros!, and then I remembered we're the ones having to live with this retarded traitor for two more years.

FML

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 27, 2015 02:02 PM (evdj2)

82 i think obama is handling this, like he handles everything, masterfully.

any conservative with an ounce of integrity would acknowledge this.

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at March 27, 2015 02:03 PM (7Kbxu)

83 I think the next chapter in the book will be when the New Arab League of Sunni Arab states attack Iran to prevent them getting the bomb and leading to WWIII

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 27, 2015 02:03 PM (zOTsN)

84
Maybe if the French and other European countries told Kerry and Obama that the weak positioning posture of the U.S. amounted to a microagression, Kerry and Obama would grow a pair. Or maybe if Hollande warned Obama that Obama's bullying should be accompanied by a trigger warning, Obama would rethink his strategy.

But probably not.

All this big-earred asshole cares about is basking in his acolytes' fawning as he announced a "landmark" Iran deal. And when the deal fails, he'll be sipping maitais from his Hawaiian estate so why the fuck would he care then?

Posted by: MacGruber at March 27, 2015 02:03 PM (S+el1)

85 The French say that God watches over drunkards, little children, and the United States of America.

We really need him now.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at March 27, 2015 02:03 PM (oAXUX)

86 Posted by: Bigby's Throw Yo Hands In De Air at March 27, 2015 01:59 PM (3ZtZW)

I don't know. France and Israel have historically had a pretty decent relationship. Israel got most (all?) of their original air force planes from France.

France just likes to be dicks on the international stage, so they do shit to piss US off, but they seem to be fairly friendly and decent sized trade partners with the Israelis when push comes to shove.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:04 PM (AkOaV)

87 CNN Guy, #37:

"John Kerry is too French for the French."

Funny enough, the French have a saying for this: "Plus royalist que le Roi."

Posted by: JPS at March 27, 2015 02:04 PM (luDKB)

88 Remember the JEF marching in the streets of Paris with other heads of state after Charlie Hebdo?

He showed his true colors with that move. The Joos in the deli had it coming.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 27, 2015 02:04 PM (FsuaD)

89 To hell with these people and the "traveling butt-sniffers" (classic!) who enable them. Every last one of them. (SPIT!)

Posted by: Eli Cash at March 27, 2015 02:04 PM (a+WIL)

90 Ohhh... my... What fun!!!

France IS still a Permanent Member of the UN Security Council...

Thus... having VETO power...

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 27, 2015 02:04 PM (qh617)

91 I believe bad karma will catch up to Obama and cut him down, eventually, but I'm very worried about how many innocent people will be killed in the event(s) that finally bring that un-deflectable bad ju-ju onto him.

Posted by: BlueMoon at March 27, 2015 02:05 PM (AMIL/)

92 Stock up while they are cheap

http://tinyurl.com/qb5qrsr

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 02:05 PM (0FSuD)

93 Iran: Cartman with little baby cows.

Obama: Hostage negotiator

Posted by: buzzion at March 27, 2015 02:05 PM (zt+N6)

94 How will he blame wwiii on Bush?

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 27, 2015 02:05 PM (zOTsN)

95 French? They're WHITE, you know.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 27, 2015 02:05 PM (MMC8r)

96 John Kerry is too French for the French.

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"John Kerry" is French for "Let's surrender faster".

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 27, 2015 02:05 PM (XUKZU)

97
I think the next chapter in the book will be when the New Arab League of Sunni Arab states attack Iran to prevent them getting the bomb and leading to WWIII

--

Ironically, bringing in Israel as an ally.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2015 02:05 PM (40li+)

98
So the French are saying "cool your jets, Barry".

The Germans don't seem overly concerned. In the FAZ (roughly NYT equivelant) only two stories have mentioned the talks this month. Neither even mentions what the German position is, just describe the difficulties.

So Barack wants a crowning achievement at all costs, even though Iran's biggest trading partner (i.e. most hurt by retaining sanctions) doesn't give two shits.

The man is actively working against our interests.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 27, 2015 02:05 PM (JtwS4)

99 Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 27, 2015 02:03 PM (zOTsN)

The only Sunni countries capable (on paper at least) of taking on Iran are Egypt and Pakistan, both of which are basket cases reliant on external aid to support their gigantic welfare states.

So I don't know.

I suppose I could see a scenario where the gulf states bankroll a war using the Pakistanis and Egyptians are their troops. We'll have to see.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:05 PM (AkOaV)

100 I thought bullying was a 4 letter word in liberal lexicon...

Posted by: runningrn at March 27, 2015 02:06 PM (2wNkm)

101 Peuple français, ouvre la bouche dès maintenant!

Posted by: Barky Obozo at March 27, 2015 02:06 PM (qzamB)

102 Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 27, 2015 02:05 PM (JtwS4)

The Germans are...

...weird.

I don't know how to describe them foreign policy wise. Neutered maybe?

Lots of guilt over WWII still. Unlike the Japanese, who were ashamed to lose, but never seemed to have a cultural shared guilt.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:07 PM (AkOaV)

103
You know, the POS has a picture of Jimmy Carter prominently displayed in the white house. Probably thinks this will vindicate the second worst president in modern history.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2015 02:07 PM (40li+)

104 Damn too late #23

Posted by: Pedantic Joe, Buff for life at March 27, 2015 02:07 PM (PhNHa)

105 Israel got most (all?) of their original air force planes from France.

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I don't know how they got them but early Israeli pilots sometimes flew the Me-109, the iconic Nazi fighter. Pretty ironic.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 27, 2015 02:07 PM (XUKZU)

106 Ironically, bringing in Israel as an ally.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2015 02:05 PM (40li+)

Never.

Not openly at least.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:08 PM (AkOaV)

107 Nip Sip, #92, and previous:

Just remember about taking potassium iodide:

- You don't want to if you don't need to

- It protects against uptake of radioactive iodine. It does fuck-all against all the other elements in fallout.

- It's a fine thing to protect the young from thyroid cancer in mid-life. For me as a middle-aged man, there'd be no point in taking it because by the time I get thyroid cancer from fallout exposure, I'm pretty much at or after my normal life expectancy.

Posted by: JPS at March 27, 2015 02:08 PM (luDKB)

108 Lots of guilt over WWII still. Unlike the Japanese, who were ashamed to lose, but never seemed to have a cultural shared guilt.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:07 PM (AkOaV)

They hide their shame with tentacle porn.

Posted by: buzzion at March 27, 2015 02:08 PM (zt+N6)

109 Well they have promised to do just that in Yemen. Which is practice

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 27, 2015 02:08 PM (zOTsN)

110 So the French are saying "cool your jets, Barry".

The Germans don't seem overly concerned.

They're busy with planes that land all over.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2015 02:08 PM (7DCTd)

111 I am very much wondering if a lot isn't going on behind the scenes, though.

Some from us, some from others.

The release of Israel's nuke capabilities, for example. Or Putin disappearing for a spell. This bad deal, even. Could be a messy and retarded set up for a dumbass Operation of some kind that Barry will fuck up. Or might be a shifting of the geopolitical sands such that the USA and Russia trade places in re: Israel.

I need a further hint or two. Like, is KSA doing anything interesting or inexplicable recently?

Posted by: Bigby's Throw Yo Hands In De Air at March 27, 2015 02:08 PM (3ZtZW)

112 @102 Lots of guilt over WWII still. Unlike the Japanese, who were ashamed to lose, but never seemed to have a cultural shared guilt.
--------------------------

From what I've heard, the Japanese have tried to ignore it as best they can. I suspect that most Japanese have no idea just how bad Imperial Japan was during the war.

Posted by: junior at March 27, 2015 02:08 PM (UWFpX)

113 Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 27, 2015 02:07 PM (XUKZU)

The French were selling them Mirages back in the day (1950s maybe?)

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:08 PM (AkOaV)

114 How will he blame wwiii on Bush?
Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 27, 2015 02:05 PM (zOTsN)

We'll find a way.

Posted by: Madeleine Albright at March 27, 2015 02:08 PM (W5DcG)

115 Look, it is all very simple. Barack wants a second term legacy and changing the dynamics of the USA - Iran relationship will be a masterstroke.

What are you Frenchies so worried about?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 27, 2015 02:08 PM (hLRSq)

116 Potassium Iodide tablets does not work in regards to dirty bombs, so just be mindful of that.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at March 27, 2015 02:09 PM (OsWis)

117

Ask any Democrat why they want this deal.

You'll get nothing.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 27, 2015 02:09 PM (IXrOn)

118 This is minor. Once my French people realize how important my agreement is to me it will all blow over. Then I shall requisition interesting people from among them for my entertainment.

Posted by: World Ruler, El Barack al-Hussein the Magnificent at March 27, 2015 02:09 PM (FCsIb)

119
Oh, the Saudi Ambassador was on Morning Joe and was asked whether the Kingdom would get a bomb if Iran got a bomb. He said "I can't comment on that one way or the other and even if I could I wouldn't".

Which, in the original Arabic, I believe means "You're God-damned right we will!"

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 27, 2015 02:09 PM (JtwS4)

120 So, can we call fries "French" instead of "freedom" now?

-
Yeah, but now we have to call American cheese, surrender monkey cheese.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 27, 2015 02:09 PM (XUKZU)

121 Frenchies are just oui-oui'ed up.

Posted by: Barky Obozo at March 27, 2015 02:09 PM (qzamB)

122 Posted by: junior at March 27, 2015 02:08 PM (UWFpX)

Well, they still deny massacring and raping their way across China.

Which, uh, we do have a decent amount of contemporary proof of... so I'm not sure how they avoid that part.

But yeah, whatever.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:09 PM (AkOaV)

123 @107

Good tip, thanks. I guess at my age I should not bother either.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 02:09 PM (0FSuD)

124
You can build hundreds of political alliances around the globe, but suck one cock and they never call you the best Secretary of State in history but a flaming cock sucker.

Posted by: John F'n Kerry at March 27, 2015 02:09 PM (P330y)

125 alexthechick

I'm thinking they're going the route of "We've already -passed- the Treaty, that was the UN Treaty!"

Meaning: They make a UN resolution and get it past the UN Security Council.

Usually, the US member sits there and stamps VETO on 99% of every insane thing passing through.

This time ... he won't.

There are, however, -five- vetos. China, Russia, France, UK, and US. China will just giggle. Russia will only veto if they think making Obama a complete laughingstock will work better than blowing up the UN.

... So, yeah. France has a veto. And they seem to be saying "This crap is so bad we'll veto it."

Posted by: Alan at March 27, 2015 02:10 PM (uq4RW)

126 F*cking idiot Obama voters. I hope you dimwits are happy with your idiot celebrity president. It will take generations for the U.S. to recover from the damage this malevolent f*ckwit has caused, if we even can recover.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 27, 2015 02:10 PM (lmdHn)

127 WH had no clue about the Yemen deal, operation Firmly
Standing or whatever

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 27, 2015 02:10 PM (zOTsN)

128
I need a further hint or two. Like, is KSA doing anything interesting or inexplicable recently?

--

Staging troops to invade Yemen

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2015 02:10 PM (40li+)

129 I think the next chapter in the book will be when the New Arab League of Sunni Arab states attack Iran to prevent them getting the bomb and leading to WWIII
--
Ironically, bringing in Israel as an

Well, when you need a muzzies ass kicked thoroughly.....

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2015 02:10 PM (7DCTd)

130 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 27, 2015 02:10 PM (kff5f)

131
Obama -- he da debbil!

Posted by: Bruce J. at March 27, 2015 02:10 PM (iQIUe)

132 120 So, can we call fries "French" instead of "freedom" now?

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Yeah, but now we have to call American cheese, surrender monkey cheese.

Okay I laughed...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 27, 2015 02:10 PM (Bn6aD)

133 Mohammedanism is an evil death cult.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 27, 2015 02:10 PM (kff5f)

134 Everyone has read Michael Ledeen article from August about how TFG sent an ambassador to Iran before he was elected & behind GWB's back, to let Iran know he'd be friends with them.
It's at PJ Media. I posted link here last summer after I heard him on Levin show.

Posted by: Carol at March 27, 2015 02:10 PM (sj3Ax)

135 I like how the US congress and the entire rest of the world is against Barky on this but he knows best so full speed ahead!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 27, 2015 02:10 PM (XUKZU)

136 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 27, 2015 02:10 PM (kff5f)

137 "How will he blame wwiii on Bush?

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 27, 2015 02:05 PM (zOTsN)

It's easy.

The left will start the narrative, the MSM will report it as fact and then Dana Perino will confirm it.

Fucking simple.

Posted by: jwest at March 27, 2015 02:11 PM (9ZZd+)

138 Pakistan possesses enough nukes to bomb Iran back to the Stone Age. They wouldn't even have to put boots on the ground.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 27, 2015 02:11 PM (KefbY)

139 Ask any Democrat why they want this deal.

You'll get nothing.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 27, 2015 02:09 PM (IXrOn)

I'll take to piss off Bibi for $1,000, Alex

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 02:11 PM (0FSuD)

140 Germanwings pilot Andreas Lubitz bought two brand new cars several weeks ago and was going to give one of them to his girlfriend, it has been claimed.

Lubitz, 28, purchased the Audis from a dealership on the outskirts of Dusseldorf, near the apartment where he lived with his girlfriend. One of the cars had been delivered last weekend, just three days before the tragedy.

Job paid well. Wonder if gf dumped him after he gave her the car?

Posted by: Bruce J. at March 27, 2015 02:11 PM (iQIUe)

141 Obama is a dick.

It's a sad day when your safety depends, in part, on the French not caving.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2015 02:11 PM (TLTHv)

142
The French were selling them Mirages back in the day (1950s maybe?)

It was all Mirages in the Six Day War. The US wasn't selling arms to Israel in 1967.

(I know that's a fact but I still find it hard to believe).

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 27, 2015 02:11 PM (JtwS4)

143 We will be lucky to survive this traitor of a President.

Posted by: VA MK Z at March 27, 2015 02:12 PM (NbkLI)

144 So what, exactly and precisely, is it?

Other than a type of weasel, of course.

Posted by: alexthechick - The end game has begun at March 27, 2015 01:58 PM (mf5HN)

It's Barack's legacy, darnit!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 27, 2015 02:12 PM (hLRSq)

145 He wants a deal done that he can then rely on the press to spin as genius and triumphant, a massive middle east success in his mind. Something that the press can add to his alleged list of great accomplishments, no matter how false it is. And Iran can just keep saying "no" until they get exactly what they want because he's so desperate.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 27, 2015 02:13 PM (39g3+)

146 Get yer IOSat at Amazon.
At Walmart they're $17.16 (USD) currently.
Plus shipping.

Posted by: Malcolm Renyolds at March 27, 2015 02:13 PM (+OFwL)

147 Thus... having VETO power...
Posted by: BB Wolf at March 27, 2015 02:04 PM (qh617)

Correct.

So, typically, we veto all of the anti-israel nonsense at the UN so that France and the UK don't have to.

However, I'm betting that France will veto Palestinian statehood or anything like that if we don't.

The UK is a wild card.

The Chinese and Russians will do whatever they think is in their best interest -- which may even involve vetoing anti Israel stuff just to make the US look weak. I don't know.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:14 PM (AkOaV)

148 so how long until derogatory information starts raging out in the media about the french?

and i'm grateful i can finally enjoy french fries and french kissing again.

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2015 02:14 PM (nqBYe)

149 >>>>the Saudi Ambassador was on Morning Joe and was asked whether the Kingdom would get a bomb if Iran got a bomb. He said "I can't comment on that one way or the other and even if I could I wouldn't".

My understanding/assumption is KSA already has one, but the question is more about developing the capability to home-grow one and the delivery systems etc. rather than being about simple ownership. I mean, srsly, when the USSR collapsed who else do you think bought some?

Posted by: Bigby's Throw Yo Hands In De Air at March 27, 2015 02:14 PM (3ZtZW)

150 >>How will he blame wwiii on Bush?

Maybe: "Bush created IS, which in turn caused Iran to get involved, followed by Saudi Arabia and its coalition to fight them, and things just spun out of control from there. Or so I just read in the news today - and by the way, no one is more upset than me!"

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2015 02:15 PM (TLTHv)

151 146,

When you get them, make sure they're sealed properly and the expiration dates have not been rubbed off or erased. It seems some vendors have sold expired/unsealed tablets.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at March 27, 2015 02:15 PM (OsWis)

152 Job paid well. Wonder if gf dumped him after he gave her the car?

Or was he trying to get her back?

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 27, 2015 02:16 PM (MMC8r)

153 (I know that's a fact but I still find it hard to believe).
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 27, 2015 02:11 PM (JtwS4)

Right.
Well, we had other shit to deal with.

like Egypt getting to friendly with the Soviets.

We didn't want to further alienate them by openly arming the J00s next door.

So the French did.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:16 PM (AkOaV)

154 This is scary shit, http://tinyurl.com/o6ztypf

Special Forces at Bragg doesn't something like this in the spring, but everyone knows about it and it's mostly in rural NC

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 02:16 PM (0FSuD)

155 92 Stock up while they are cheap.
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 02:05 PM (0FSuD)
======================

Nip, how many should I keep in stock?

Posted by: MTF, vote for someone the GOP insiders hate! at March 27, 2015 02:16 PM (FCsIb)

156 Or was he trying to get her back?
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 27, 2015 02:16 PM (MMC8r)

Buying a girl who dumped you an Audi is a bold fucking move.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:16 PM (AkOaV)

157 so how long until derogatory information starts raging out in the media about the french?

Like what? "Hollande has a mistress?"

Anything you say derogatory about the French they will take as a sign of their essential cultural superiority to the crude Yankees.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 27, 2015 02:16 PM (hLRSq)

158 Everyone has read Michael Ledeen article from August about how TFG sent an ambassador to Iran before he was elected & behind GWB's back, to let Iran know he'd be friends with them.

AGAIN--

Where did all those foreign donations come from???

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 27, 2015 02:17 PM (MMC8r)

159 pas Je suis Francais?

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2015 02:17 PM (nqBYe)

160 Posted by: MTF, vote for someone the GOP insiders hate! at March 27, 2015 02:16 PM (FCsIb)

Eh, follow my example and keep none.

Seriously though, you're supposed to take 1 day. So I'd do the math based on family size, etc. and assume taking the tablets for no longer than a week or two. Iodine is not good for you, take it too long and it can fuck up your liver.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:18 PM (AkOaV)

161 nous ne sommes pas obama

Posted by: Crowley at March 27, 2015 02:18 PM (I67bW)

162 a sign of their essential cultural superiority to the crude Yankees.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 27, 2015 02:16 PM (hLRSq)

oui

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2015 02:18 PM (nqBYe)

163

Remember Obama turned on the Ukraine too.

Putin with more power. Iran with more power. Israel being shut out.

See the game obumbler is playing? He has no clue what he is setting up. It's Check Mate, mate. Let's see who blinks first.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 27, 2015 02:18 PM (IXrOn)

164 One of the decades-old dreams of many leftists has been to ensure that an Islamic country gets a nuclear arsenal. I remember having an argument in about '93 in Prague with a left-wing Irishman over whether Saddam should have gotten the bomb. The Irishman was fully for it, as was one of his lefty friends. An Islamic country with the bomb would "have a place at the table" on the international scene. They would have nothing to fear from the "Zionists" as he called the Israelis. Of course it would inhibit "American imperialism," and our supposed control over global petroleum resources.

I have no doubt that the spirit animating the Obama admin is the same as that which animated the left-wing idiot I spoke to 20+ years ago.

It also was during this conversation that I first heard the notion that "Communism was the correct remedy for the world, it was just badly implimented by the USSR." These idiots rejoiced at the fall of the Berlin Wall because now, the "REAL" form of communism could be implimented. I remember thinking these people were simply insane. They were incapable of learning from experience. It took me while to realize that their insanity is a fixture of the gnostic, left-wing mentality. These people are intutorable.

I never thought I would live to see them have the last laugh....

Posted by: Meriadoc at March 27, 2015 02:18 PM (0lkD2)

165 I liked it better when the policy disaster that was going to kill us all was ObamaCare.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 27, 2015 02:18 PM (MMC8r)

166 Nip Sip,

Interesting. I'm in "hostile" territory, it seems.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at March 27, 2015 02:18 PM (OsWis)

167 Ace,
I just shared an article with you from Weekly Standard via email if you want it.

Kristol has become more conservative now that he's out of Fox, and last week or week before he called Establishment
"The frowners" in defending Cotton open letter to Iran.

Posted by: Carol at March 27, 2015 02:18 PM (sj3Ax)

168 I stand proudly erect with French hotties.

Posted by: OG CELTIC-AMERICAN at March 27, 2015 02:18 PM (xvLaQ)

169 Oooh, I gets to play OpFor???

Cool beans.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at March 27, 2015 02:19 PM (OsWis)

170 With the Saudis now in open warfare with Iranian-backed Shia forces, their airspace may suddenly become more open to forces sharing a similar agenda to theirs.

Posted by: Mark in Portland at March 27, 2015 02:19 PM (DpRZj)

171 OG, hey! we yanks are just as hot.

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2015 02:20 PM (nqBYe)

172 Posted by: Bigby's Throw Yo Hands In De Air at March 27, 2015 02:14 PM (3ZtZW)

Forget the USSR.

Pakistan and and the Sauds have an agreement.

Also, I doubt the Sauds have a nuke. I'm sure we've insisted that they don't put one on their soil, for fear of a nuclear arms race in the ME.

Same reason that we didnt acknowledge Israels nukes until a month ago.

Once one country in that powderkeg gets a nuke, they all will, and chances are that a handful of them will fall in to the hands of non state actors.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:20 PM (AkOaV)

173
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower

--

Look at the bright side, this policy disaster kills us more quickly.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2015 02:20 PM (40li+)

174 Bad news: we're gonna have to rethink this whole 'dump being rethuglickkkkkkkans thing. Apparantly, rethugs are running Europe. Who else would dare disagree with the Dear leader?

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 27, 2015 02:20 PM (Spluw)

175 91 I believe bad karma will catch up to Obama and cut him down, eventually, but I'm very worried about how many innocent people will be killed in the event(s) that finally bring that un-deflectable bad ju-ju onto him.

-------

I read Psalm 37 this a.m. and I thought of obama. I think God is only letting him continue for a short while more. Obama may think he can go against God, but he is fooling himself. America and Isreal are bigger than Obama and Jarrett. In the Psalm the line about spreading himself like a Green Bay tree truly describes Obama.

Posted by: Chilling the most at March 27, 2015 02:20 PM (zW5rQ)

176 Dead on, Meriadoc ...

Posted by: Pedantic Joe, Buff for life at March 27, 2015 02:20 PM (PhNHa)

177 and i'm grateful i can finally enjoy french fries.and french kissing again.
Posted by: willow

How YOU doin'?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2015 02:20 PM (7DCTd)

178 Hotter Willow.

But seemingly unavailable...

Posted by: OG CELTIC-AMERICAN at March 27, 2015 02:21 PM (xvLaQ)

179 "Buying a girl who dumped you an Audi is a bold fucking move."

Ugh. Now I'm depressed. My ex-boyfriends are such underachievers.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 27, 2015 02:21 PM (qzamB)

180 "Tension between Washington and Paris comes amid frustration by other U.S. allies, such as Saudi Arabia and Israel."

So, in a very short period of time, Obama has managed to piss off basically ALL of our allies, ALL of our enemies, and ALL nonaligned nations. Every combatant on every side of every conflict all agree on one thing: Obama has pissed us off.

Oh, with one shining exception: Iran.

Iran loves them some Obama. He has placed the power, might, reputation, military and financial resources at Iran's disposal.

Iran is sitting on the Peacock Throne. The USA is now on Iran's leash, at its feet, wearing a leather BDSM slave outfit with a ball-gag and spiked buttplug.

Posted by: zombie at March 27, 2015 02:21 PM (K4YiS)

181 I am directing all of my interns to dig up dirt on the French for this insult to our glorious President.

Posted by: David Brock at March 27, 2015 02:21 PM (OD2ni)

182 It is interesting that Saud's now have to fight for their own survival .
one silver lining.

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2015 02:21 PM (nqBYe)

183 Nip, how many should I keep in stock?

Posted by: MTF, vote for someone the GOP insiders hate! at March 27, 2015 02:16 PM (FCsIb)

I think you need one pack per family member. Get some gas masks while you are shopping.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 02:21 PM (0FSuD)

184 i've added the french view, which is that Obama is "politically naive" and just wants Iran to bail his fat out of the fire in Iran and Syria.

Posted by: ace at March 27, 2015 02:21 PM (PA7DS)

185
Also, I doubt the Sauds have a nuke. I'm sure we've insisted that they don't put one on their soil, for fear of a nuclear arms race in the ME.

--

If anyone could afford to just buy nukes, it is KSA

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2015 02:21 PM (40li+)

186 Posted by: Mark in Portland at March 27, 2015 02:19 PM (DpRZj)

Yes, that much is pretty close to certain.

I think their radars are prepared to have an unfortunate malfunction if they need to not see someone heading east over their land IYKWIMAITYD

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:21 PM (AkOaV)

187 Zap,
Iran & Palis is my first guess!

Posted by: Carol at March 27, 2015 02:21 PM (sj3Ax)

188 Bandersnatch, #142:

"It was all Mirages in the Six Day War. The US wasn't selling arms to Israel in 1967."

You've just reminded me of something Jonathan Netanyahu wrote home from the front, just before that war. I'm going from memory, roughly:

We sit and wait. Why do we sit and wait? It's like this: A Frenchman, an Englishman and an Israeli are captured by a tribe of cannibals. The chief gives them each one wish before they go into the pot. The Frenchman asks for a glass of red wine and he gets it. The Englishman asks for a pipe and tobacco and he gets it. The Israeli asks the chief to give him a good kick in the backside.

The chief hesitates, but the Israeli insists. The chief kicks him. The Israeli pulls a gun and shoots all the cannibals.

"Are you kidding?" the Frenchman and the Englishman ask. "If you had the gun all along why didn't you shoot them in the first place?"

"Are YOU kidding?" the Israeli replies. "And have the UN call me an aggressor?"

Posted by: JPS at March 27, 2015 02:22 PM (luDKB)

189
Seems like the father of one of those 3 brit girls who joined ISIS is a islamofacist nut himself. So, why did he object to his daugher running off? Was it because he had already sold her into marriage locally?

Posted by: Bruce J. at March 27, 2015 02:22 PM (iQIUe)

190 @180 Oh, with one shining exception: Iran.
--------------------

And Cuba.

Posted by: junior at March 27, 2015 02:22 PM (UWFpX)

191 Like his creased pants, Preseident Obama's skillful negotiation tatcics are too nuanced for conservatives to understand.

Posted by: David Brooks at March 27, 2015 02:22 PM (OD2ni)

192 If anyone could afford to just buy nukes, it is KSA
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2015 02:21 PM (40li+

Oh, definitely.

But they wouldn't need to. Rumor has long had it that the Sauds payed for a large chunk of Pakistans research in to nukes with the understanding that Pakistan will give them a handful of nuke bombs if they needed them in the future.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:22 PM (AkOaV)

193 "78
Come on, please. Come burn DC to the ground.

Posted by: JEM at March 27, 2015 01:52 PM (o+SC1)

Give us Arizona and Hawaii, and Kate Upton. But mostly Kate Upton.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 27, 2015 02:02 PM (KefbY)"

We'll keep Arizona. How about Hawaii and Sonora? It's right next door to Arizona.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at March 27, 2015 02:22 PM (KDbAT)

194 "105
Israel got most (all?) of their original air force planes from France.

-

I don't know how they got them but early Israeli pilots sometimes flew the Me-109, the iconic Nazi fighter. Pretty ironic.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 27, 2015 02:07 PM (XUKZU)"
Israel purchased them from the Czechs with the blessing of the Soviets. The Israelis also used Spitfires, P-51s, B-17s, and Mosquitoes, all of which had to be purchased on the sly because everyone, including the US, embargoed all participants. That, despite the fact the Arab air forces were well-armed and trained by the Brits.

Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at March 27, 2015 02:23 PM (sCHw2)

195 ace on the naivety, Personally what are your views on that?

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2015 02:23 PM (nqBYe)

196 It was all Mirages in the Six Day War. The US wasn't selling arms to Israel in 1967.

(I know that's a fact but I still find it hard to believe).
Posted by: Bandersnatch

The IAF had A-4's and F-4's on order in 1967, and the IDF were using M-48 tanks (as were the Jordanians). In the '56 war, the Israeli's had P-51's, I think.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....on a Friday afternoon at March 27, 2015 02:23 PM (RFeQD)

197 If we survive, the good thing is that the communists in America won't be able to peddle their shit anymore.

There's no way we'll allow them to burrow into our society like barrista-shaped ticks. They'll be dug out, shamed, shaved, and painted purple before we exile them After The Revolution.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at March 27, 2015 02:24 PM (D3XkN)

198 O/T: Didja see the Drudge headline immediately above the picture of The Searchlight Pedophile?

"Police investigate complaints of drone following children..."

Posted by: Furious George at March 27, 2015 02:24 PM (UlJ3l)

199
President Obama has represented America correctly in our negotiations with Iran,and our relationships with our partners in this endeavor remain strong and viable.

Does anyone wish to know about my sick kitty Petunia?

Posted by: Jen Psaki at March 27, 2015 02:24 PM (P330y)

200
I thought Hollande was a socialist. You'd think he and Barack would be getting along like gangbusters.
And let's assume that for the moment (granting O the best of intentions, which I donot) thatObama really thinks that if Iran is a nuclear power, all their anti-Western ire would melt away. They'd feel respected and would be grateful for that, and would become peaceable members of the world community. That would be mistaken in that Obama would conflating Iran's leadership with the majority of it's citizenry. The leadership is theocratic and oppressive, and should not be indulged, nor their demands mistaken for what "Iran" as a nation might want, were it a representative republic.

Posted by: Jean-Paul Fartre at March 27, 2015 02:25 PM (xkSSa)

201 If anyone could afford to just buy nukes, it is KSA

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2015 02:21 PM (40li+)

And the Paki or India will ship them some, no questions axed. I would think India would be a better source since Paki bombs are under our control.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 02:25 PM (0FSuD)

202 154 This is scary shit, http://tinyurl.com/o6ztypf

Special Forces at Bragg doesn't something like this in the spring, but everyone knows about it and it's mostly in rural NC

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 02:16 PM (0FSuD)

Bracken on Operation Jade ~~Helm~~ Conditioning

http://tinyurl.com/ont2nsl

First: conditioning Americans to accept increasingly frequent and intrusive military and paramilitary police actions up close and personal.
......

The second objective of Joint Military Exercise Jade Helm 15 is to practice simultaneously operating all of the control levers of armed federal power on American soil, from major military units and federal law enforcement agencies down to the state police and local law enforcement. (Posse Comitatus? Heavens, no. It's just a training exercise!)

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 27, 2015 02:25 PM (fWAjv)

203 OG, you must be looking in all the wrong places

(humming along to the tune)

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2015 02:25 PM (nqBYe)

204 I love the way you write, zombie.

But fuck, it hurts knowing the US is Iran's gimp.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at March 27, 2015 02:25 PM (OsWis)

205 Seriously though, you're supposed to take 1 day.
So I'd do the math based on family size, etc. and assume taking the tablets for no longer than a week or two.

Per my Medical Corps Potassium Iodate 85 mg. bottle,
Minimum Daily Dose:
Adults: 2
Children 3 - 12: 1
Children 1month - 3 years: 1/2 tablet
Newborn to 1 month: 1/4 tablet
Minimum days 3 -14

FWIW.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2015 02:25 PM (7DCTd)

206 >>>>I have no doubt that the spirit animating the Obama admin is the same as that which animated the left-wing idiot I spoke to 20+ years ago.

Same generation, probably.
>>>>It also was during this conversation that I first heard the notion that "Communism was the correct remedy for the world, it was just badly implimented by the USSR."

Yes. They think that communism was supposed to start in Industrialized nations, not backwards Agricultural ones, like China Russia Vietnam Korea, etc. Thats what the big hangup was in the first place, man!

BTW, I think we're already 75% there. Communism isn't all about taking all your money and grabbing your guns and limiting where you can go. No no that's much too small. In fact, keep your guns and a lot of your money.

Think about the next steps, benign or malign, that oyu would do were you in charge of implenting it and you'll have the near future.

Posted by: Bigby's Throw Yo Hands In De Air at March 27, 2015 02:25 PM (3ZtZW)

207 I never thought I would live to see them have the last laugh....

That would be second last.

Posted by: The Burning Times at March 27, 2015 02:25 PM (NF2Bf)

208 "It's political naivite. The White House has given in to illusions
about the type of relationship that it thinks is possible to cultivate
with Iran and of the possible positive ramifications of an agreement on
nukes on the Middle East..."

That's pretty generous - especially considering the WH just shrugged off their negotiating partner leading a crowd in chanting "Death to AMerica."

I wish it were naivite - but it's clearly much darker than that. Looking pretty dang evil and traitorous at this point."

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2015 02:26 PM (TLTHv)

209
"Are YOU kidding?" the Israeli replies. "And have the UN call me an aggressor?"

*snort*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 27, 2015 02:26 PM (JtwS4)

210 I need a puppy video

Posted by: Thunder B, shapeshifter at March 27, 2015 02:26 PM (+Hgm/)

211 @196 The IAF had A-4's and F-4's on order in 1967, and the IDF were using M-48 tanks (as were the Jordanians). In the '56 war, the Israeli's had P-51's, I think.
-----------------------------

Ironically, the Israelis initially got their M48s from West Germany.

Posted by: junior at March 27, 2015 02:27 PM (UWFpX)

212 I'm even less freaked out by McCain in 2008 singing Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 27, 2015 02:27 PM (Y92Nd)

213 Finally Obama is able to build a large coalition... granted, it's a coalition of long time allies that feel abandoned and bullied by the US... but hey #smartpower

Posted by: creeky at March 27, 2015 02:27 PM (W1gN3)

214 After Dana Perino confirms that George Bush started WW III, someone will find Scott McClelland, another fine example of republican hiring skill, to write a book about it.

Then, Charles and David Koch will give some asshole like Karl Rove a few hundred million so that he can hire some more people like Steve Schmidt and Nichole Wallace.

Riinse, repeat.

Posted by: jwest at March 27, 2015 02:27 PM (9ZZd+)

215 Merisdoc,
It's sad but true,

Posted by: Carol at March 27, 2015 02:28 PM (sj3Ax)

216 so i guess this is when we see the ME start arming up?

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2015 02:28 PM (nqBYe)

217 I'm even less freaked out by McCain in 2008 singing Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran.

It was one of his few good ideas.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 27, 2015 02:28 PM (kff5f)

218 Minimum days 3 -14

FWIW.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2015 02:25 PM (7DCTd)

How do you figure minimum days? 3-14 is a big spread.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 02:28 PM (0FSuD)

219 Baseball game postponed. Rainy and cold here in Winston. So I won't be seeing the d-bag who messed up my schedule, hopefully he'll be fired before they reschedule the game. Guy has one ally in the company, everyone else can't stand him. Unfortunately that ally does a lot of the scheduling.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 27, 2015 02:28 PM (2cS/G)

220 Fcuking idjits - Iraq was supposed to fix Iran.

Posted by: DaveA at March 27, 2015 02:28 PM (DL2i+)

221 I thought Hollande was a socialist. You'd think he and Barack would be getting along like gangbusters.
Posted by: Jean-Paul Fartre at March 27, 2015 02:25 PM (xkSSa)

Man, nobody fights like two socialists going at it.

See: Germany v Russia in WWII, Russia v China, China v Norks, China v Cuba, etc. etc.

Socialists never get along with each other. Probably because when THEY envision socialist utopia, they always see themselves as the leaders, and everyone else as the sheep.

Unfortunately, when everyone thinks that way... well, whats the saying? Too many chiefs and not enough indians?

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:29 PM (AkOaV)

222 Buying a girl who dumped you an Audi is a bold fucking move.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:16 PM (AkOaV)

That reeks of desperation, even if it is just an Owwie.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 27, 2015 02:29 PM (KefbY)

223 @219

Is NC still in Feb? Global Warming, what can't it fcuk up?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 02:30 PM (0FSuD)

224 All of this nonsense simply boils down to Obama's legacy. He wants a "deal" with Iran for the centerpiece of his Library, that's it. Nothing else matters as he envisions himself recorded in the History Books as the President that secured a deal with Iran that brought peace to the Middle East, blah, brought enemies together to work for world peace, etc., blah.......

Nothing else matters to him now, nothing.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 27, 2015 02:30 PM (4oSLk)

225 @219

Beside NC State and Duke play tonight

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 02:31 PM (0FSuD)

226 How do you figure minimum days? 3-14 is a big spread.

I would guess by proximity to blast and prevailing winds.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2015 02:31 PM (7DCTd)

227 ugh, outside to mow yard.
have fun.

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2015 02:31 PM (nqBYe)

228 All of this nonsense simply boils down to Obama's legacy. He wants a "deal" with Iran for the centerpiece of his Library, that's it. Nothing else matters as he envisions himself recorded in the History Books as the President that secured a deal with Iran that brought peace to the Middle East, blah, brought enemies together to work for world peace, etc., blah....... Nothing else matters to him now, nothing.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman

Well, he's focused, so there's that.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 27, 2015 02:31 PM (Spluw)

229 Obama definitely using the kinetic military action in Libya as leverage in the blackmail, I mean discussions with France. It was the French and British oil interests that wanted the Libya overthrow. The real War For Oil.

Posted by: Cruzinator at March 27, 2015 02:31 PM (sIhFA)

230 The French have racist cupcakes!!! I just read about in the Daily Mail.

Posted by: Barky Obozo at March 27, 2015 02:31 PM (qzamB)

231
Socialists never get along with each other. Probably because when THEY envision socialist utopia, they always see themselves as the leaders, and everyone else as the sheep.

--

That is because socialism, communism, whatever you call it, is merely an economic screen to cover the true nature of the administration: totalitarianism. It is never about the economics or the policies, it is about total power over everyone else.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2015 02:31 PM (40li+)

232 I think I have run out of adjectives and invective vis a vis this feckless administration.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 27, 2015 02:31 PM (zogjM)

233 "Barack Obama, say the French diplomats, seems to be ready to make
concessions which are far removed from the objectives initially agreed
to by the six great powers.:

How do you say "Who bitch this is" in French?

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at March 27, 2015 02:32 PM (1BQGO)

234 "170
With the Saudis now in open warfare with Iranian-backed Shia forces,
their airspace may suddenly become more open to forces sharing a similar
agenda to theirs.

Posted by: Mark in Portland at March 27, 2015 02:19 PM (DpRZj)"

Maybe to keep up appearances, American made Israeli aircraft could be painted to look like American made Saudi aircraft.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at March 27, 2015 02:32 PM (KDbAT)

235 Don't kid yourself ace. He's on the golf course while the ME just burns.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 27, 2015 02:32 PM (l1zOH)

236 That reeks of desperation, even if it is just an Owwie.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 27, 2015 02:29 PM (KefbY)

Uh, no kidding.

"I know you said you wanted to spend more time with your family and not be in a serious relationship, and that it wasn't me it was you, but... Would a $60,000 car change your feelings on the subject at all?!?!?"

Sounds creepy if anything.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:32 PM (AkOaV)

237 When are all the "peaceful" muslims going to get everyone to get along?

Posted by: bossy barbara at March 27, 2015 02:33 PM (l1zOH)

238 I would guess by proximity to blast and prevailing winds.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2015 02:31 PM (7DCTd)

Can you take too much? I always figured finish the pack.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 02:33 PM (0FSuD)

239 Those wimps won't bring their Realist Military Training up here where it's cold.

I would like to see just how long I could impersonate a journalist before they arrested me.

Can I get me a lawyer here? For the lultz?

Posted by: H. (Hall) Henry at March 27, 2015 02:33 PM (+OFwL)

240 Good point, I had resiged myself to missing tonight's games, so that's a silver lining.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 27, 2015 02:33 PM (2cS/G)

241 "Iran is sitting on the Peacock Throne. The USA is now on Iran's leash, at its feet, wearing a leather BDSM slave outfit with a ball-gag and spiked buttplug.
Posted by: zombie at March 27, 2015 02:21 PM (K4YiS)"

Now there is a picture that would fit right in out in SFO.

Posted by: museisluse at March 27, 2015 02:34 PM (hfaKT)

242 Obama definitely using the kinetic military action in Libya as leverage in the blackmail, I mean discussions with France. It was the French and British oil interests that wanted the Libya overthrow. The real War For Oil.
Posted by: Cruzinator

that's in the past. What is he, 12? Or from Chicago? The French have what they wanted, an libya's going to shit. Unless they go back in with a shit ton of force, Libya's gone. But there does happen to be a neighboring power that wouln't mind being an oil power, and probably wouldn't mind dealing with the French......cough (Egypt) cough

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 27, 2015 02:34 PM (Spluw)

243 The USA is now on Iran's leash, at its feet, wearing a leather BDSM slave outfit with a ball-gag and spiked buttplug.
Posted by: zombie at March 27, 2015 02:21 PM (K4YiS)

Obama is the mullahs' Gimp.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 27, 2015 02:34 PM (Y92Nd)

244
the french used 10 of the sexist code words on hillary clintons list of forbidden words

Posted by: kj at March 27, 2015 02:34 PM (lKyWE)

245 >>Don't kid yourself ace. He's on the golf course while the ME just burns.

The really sad thing about this is that after 6 years with access to the best courses and instruction he is, by all accounts, still a shitty golfer.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 27, 2015 02:34 PM (g1DWB)

246 Posted by: Cruzinator at March 27, 2015 02:31 PM (sIhFA)

I think it was Italians and French, I don't think the Brits have big oil interests in Libya...

But regardless, Europe is way more reliant on the ME / N Africa for oil than we are.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:34 PM (AkOaV)

247 >>I thought Hollande was a socialist. You'd think he and Barack would be getting along like gangbusters.

I would imagine recent events - the Charlie Hebdo and Jewish deli murders and growing violent Muslin population in France in general- have colored his view of the possibility of peace with one of the biggest sources of Muslim terror for the past few decades.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2015 02:34 PM (TLTHv)

248 Well, I know who I'm mugging if a nuke goes off.

Just a pinch Christopher.

Posted by: Tony "Triage" Soprano at March 27, 2015 02:34 PM (DL2i+)

249 >>>>"I know you said you wanted to spend more time with your family and not be in a serious relationship, and that it wasn't me it was you, but... Would a $60,000 car change your feelings on the subject at all?!?!?"

Is this the female version of "Don't have sex with the crazy?" or is that more for the jezzizhezastolkah! kind?

Posted by: Bigby's Throw Yo Hands In De Air at March 27, 2015 02:34 PM (3ZtZW)

250 In Delayna World, the nuclear negotiations with Iran would be the scene in the Godfather when all the local bosses are at the table and Marlon Brando explains to them that Michael will--will--be safe.

Posted by: delayna at March 27, 2015 02:34 PM (KnC4k)

251 Can you take too much? I always figured finish the pack.
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 02:33 PM (0FSuD)

Uh yeah. Read the warning labels.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:35 PM (AkOaV)

252 Zombie, Gaylord is Pinkie Pie in a BDSM outfit with all those accoutrements and thinking how very smart and special he is.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 27, 2015 02:35 PM (zogjM)

253 Posted by: jwest at March 27, 2015 02:27 PM (9ZZd+)

Did Dana Perino punch Palin in the ovaries or something? Let it go dude.

Posted by: Cruzinator at March 27, 2015 02:35 PM (sIhFA)

254 The pilot probably had life insurance that was going to pay for the cars. Don't know about Germany, but after three years in USA whole life policies even pay on suicides.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 02:35 PM (0FSuD)

255 @234 Maybe to keep up appearances, American made Israeli aircraft could be painted to look like American made Saudi aircraft.
---------------------

"Mercenaries"

*cough*

Posted by: junior at March 27, 2015 02:36 PM (UWFpX)

256 Nip,

Medical Corps KI03

http://bit.ly/1GxoDtG
http://bit.ly/1EJe6XC

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2015 02:36 PM (7DCTd)

257 I went to a presentation by Amin Tarzi last evening, where he talked about Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran (a bit) and also Yemen (a bit). Without boring everyone with endless detail, he seems to think the Iranians are best dealt with by ignoring them and pushing sanctions hard until the people themselves get rid of the mullahs(ie, the Bush policy). He said the Saudis already have nuclear capability, courtesy of the Pakis. The Russians are the real problem, in the ME and everywhere.

Posted by: MTF, vote for someone the GOP insiders hate! at March 27, 2015 02:36 PM (FCsIb)

258 and leading to WWIII

Does it really count as a WW if all the non-Muslims stand around cheering.

Posted by: DaveA at March 27, 2015 02:36 PM (DL2i+)

259 Meriadoc,
I am using iPad & it changed name on me.

I agree with what you posted.

Posted by: Carol at March 27, 2015 02:36 PM (sj3Ax)

260 245 >>Don't kid yourself ace. He's on the golf course while the ME just burns.
The really sad thing about this is that after 6 years with access to the best courses and instruction he is, by all accounts, still a shitty golfer.
Posted by: JackStraw
___________________

Watch me strike out this next batter.

Posted by: Low Information President at March 27, 2015 02:36 PM (UlJ3l)

261 meh anyway imma go home now

Posted by: Bigby's Throw Yo Hands In De Air at March 27, 2015 02:36 PM (3ZtZW)

262 So I heard that stupid fucker is supposed to be playing golf in Florida pretty soon. Every conservative person in Florida should picket King Putt's route to the golf course so that he never gets there in time to play.

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 27, 2015 02:37 PM (VNgld)

263 >>The USA is now on Iran's leash, at its feet, wearing a leather BDSM slave outfit with a ball-gag and spiked buttplug.

Like Channing Tatum in "This is the End"?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2015 02:38 PM (TLTHv)

264 The really sad thing about this is that after 6 years with access to the
best courses and instruction he is, by all accounts, still a shitty
golfer.

I strike again!

Posted by: White Cis-Male Privilege at March 27, 2015 02:38 PM (87y4e)

265 I'm pretty sure KSA has had nukes for years. This would just give them cover to announce them. By setting off an arms race in the ME, anyone can set off a dirty bomb and no one will know who it was.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 27, 2015 02:38 PM (Y92Nd)

266 I heard the French sometimes describe my people using a word that is translated as eggplant. They deserve nuclear annihilation.

Posted by: Eric Holder at March 27, 2015 02:38 PM (OD2ni)

267

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 27, 2015 02:38 PM (VNgld)

268
Iodine-129 has a half life of 15 million years so forget that.

Iodine-131 has a half life of 8 days. So, in 8 days it's reduce by half. Then in another 8 days, reduced again, and another 8 days ... and another ...

but thyroid cancer will be the least of your worries.

Posted by: H. (Hall) Henry at March 27, 2015 02:39 PM (+OFwL)

269 Communism fails everywhere it's tried. Unfortunately it fails only after lots and lots of people have been killed.

Posted by: jmel at March 27, 2015 02:39 PM (3+V5e)

270 @200 I thought Hollande was a socialist. You'd think he and Barack would be getting along like gangbusters.
----------------------

The French might be big socialists, but they also are big on French influence around the globe. Half of the international nonsense that was thrown at Bush 43 prior to second invasion of Iraq was the French trying to convince the rest of the world to pay more attention to them than to the US. Remember the infamous "missed a good opportunity to shut-up!" statement by one French politician regarding the Eastern European countries?

Even if Obama wasn't acting like an idiot, the French would probably be at least slightly contrary just because.

Posted by: junior at March 27, 2015 02:39 PM (UWFpX)

271 Fernandez had a good piece about obama being a gambler who believes how he will be saved and his losses recouped as the the final card is turned over.

It is interesting to read France's comments in the context of Fernandez's.

I think obama is so desperate to get a deal with iran not as a matter of legacy on the nuclear issue, he believes iran will save him from all his blunders in the middle east as well.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 27, 2015 02:39 PM (gsfK5)

272 Did Dana Perino punch Palin in the ovaries or something? Let it go dude.

Posted by: Cruzinator at March 27, 2015 02:35 PM (sIhFA)

She's just part of the problem we continue to tolerate.

No need to fuck up a happy talk podcast by asking her if she bumped her head on the way to the microphone.

Posted by: jwest at March 27, 2015 02:39 PM (9ZZd+)

273
The really sad thing about this is that after 6 years with access to the best courses and instruction he is, by all accounts, still a shitty golfer.because he knows more about golf than his instructors do

Posted by: kj at March 27, 2015 02:40 PM (lKyWE)

274 252 Zombie, Gaylord is Pinkie Pie in a BDSM outfit with all those accoutrements and thinking how very smart and special he is.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD)

So, this is the Brony Administration?

Posted by: zombie at March 27, 2015 02:40 PM (K4YiS)

275

Obama in 2009: Iran's Underground Nuke Facility 'Inconsistent With Peaceful Program'

cnwnews.com

pfft, that was so 2009

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 27, 2015 02:41 PM (IXrOn)

276
obama is politically naive, my ass

The French are stupid if they can't see the obvious: obama is on the enemy's side.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at March 27, 2015 02:41 PM (ko4zy)

277 @256

Thanks, I already have six packs. I linked an Amazon page for them. I also have four Israeli gas masks, about 20,000 rounds of ammo, really, and lots of weapons for the ammo.

A 1990 Land Cruiser with bull bar, winch, chains, snorkel and is lifted.

Extra gas cans on roof rack.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 02:41 PM (0FSuD)

278 Neville Obama

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/581277618890280960

Posted by: kbdabear at March 27, 2015 02:42 PM (GrXXa)

279 and, ace, as per your headline...

I don't think Obama and his fellow travelers are THAT stupid.

Because here's the thing... they spent the last few years bitching about how Iraq needs to form an "inclusive" government, which they know will never happen as long as Iran is pulling the strings. Iran hates having Sunnis along their border (on both sides of the border).

And both Iraq and Syria are heavily Sunni. Syria is majority Sunni, while Iraq is only about 65% Shia, and theyre heavily concentrated in the Baghdad area.

Soooo, yeah. Lots of pissed off Sunni tribesmen all over the place who hate the Shia, and hate the Persians in general.

Long story short, getting Iran heavily involved will not make this situation better, if anything it'll make it much worse. And O's team has to know that.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:42 PM (AkOaV)

280 >.The really sad thing about this is that after 6 years with access to the
best courses and instruction he is, by all accounts, still a shitty
golfer

>>because he knows more about golf than his instructors do

It's not about the golf, it's about getting out with the "boys."

Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2015 02:42 PM (TLTHv)

281 Some mood music - https://youtu.be/jT0cKjDACIY

Or perhaps - https://youtu.be/cAMLa5ZC-B4

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 27, 2015 02:43 PM (zogjM)

282 King Putt has been teed off at the French since they cancelled the 75% tax on the rich.

Posted by: Hank at March 27, 2015 02:43 PM (/ujVT)

283 175 91 I believe bad karma will catch up to Obama and cut him down, eventually, but I'm very worried...

I think God is only letting him continue for a short while more. Obama may think he can go against God, but he is fooling himself. America and Isreal are bigger than Obama and Jarrett.

Posted by: Chilling the most at March 27, 2015 02:20 PM (zW5rQ)

Yes, Obama can be interpreted as a chastisement.

I don't know if you have heard of a man named Charlie Johnston, who is something of a mystic. He argues that the world is living through the beginning stages of a "Storm." It will effect all who are now living. I know such things will be laughed to scorn by many. Johnston may be right or wrong, but his blog, "The Next Right Step," is worth looking at. I leave it to the discernment of each individual to make of it what you will.

Posted by: Meriadoc at March 27, 2015 02:43 PM (0lkD2)

284 As for France being a great power, as nations go they are a top tier organization. If France had some motivation and some resolve they could do a lot more.

France is not so bad as is could be considering it was used as a playground for munitions, twice, in two decades.

If France was seriously interested in being a great nation they would start speaking English.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 27, 2015 02:43 PM (gsfK5)

285
We keep going back and forth into this delusion that obama is just some starry-eyed liberal who wants just wants peace and justice and fairness.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at March 27, 2015 02:43 PM (ko4zy)

286
"I should point out that France still thinks it's a great power, which is cute.

Then again, I guess we think that too."

They do have a permanent Security Council seat so if they are the ones who stop Obama from giving away our security through UN action (because Congress is icky and he is the Emperor), I will take it and say merci beau coup.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 27, 2015 02:43 PM (OrI3J)

287 OT. Language police.
http://is.gd/mo9TVj

Personally I feel the professor owes an apology to rabid pit bulls.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at March 27, 2015 02:44 PM (/kI1Q)

288 Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 02:41 PM (0FSuD)

shit thats nothing. i have a honda civic, a couple bottles of water, and probably about 2 gallons of gas left over from blowing snow this winter.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:44 PM (AkOaV)

289
It's not about the golf, it's about getting out with the "boys."

actually i think he just likes smacking white balls with a stick

Posted by: kj at March 27, 2015 02:44 PM (lKyWE)

290 Right now there better be 70 Senators and 350 Representatives all sponsoring a bill prohibiting the executive from taking steps to implement any agreement with Iran without approval of Congress.

Posted by: JEM at March 27, 2015 02:44 PM (o+SC1)

291 Americans--a bunch of cheeseburger-eating surrender monkeys.

Posted by: the French at March 27, 2015 02:45 PM (Mn2TM)

292 Wonder if The Prophet Ace, blessed be his hairy back, has considered an NCAA BB Thread?

Hint hint.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 02:45 PM (0FSuD)

293 actually i think he just likes smacking ~~white~~ balls with a stdick.

FTFY

Posted by: Reggie at March 27, 2015 02:45 PM (87y4e)

294 ... All that, AND he hates Israel (re. Jews).

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2015 02:46 PM (BZAd3)

295 Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at March 27, 2015 02:43 PM (ko4zy)

Most "liberals" are really "progressives" who are the pro-war group.

They feel that the US military (as evil as it is) should be used to make the world more progressive.

Look at the govts we set up in Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, Japan, etc. etc.

Not exactly free-market loving rugged individualism American systems, are they?

Not to mention the socialism we exported post-ww2 with the marshall plan

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:46 PM (AkOaV)

296 //mmmmm.......cheezburger.

Posted by: eleven at March 27, 2015 02:46 PM (Ae7K+)

297 @284 As for France being a great power, as nations go they are a top tier organization. If France had some motivation and some resolve they could do a lot more.
-----------------------

France's problem has always been its leaders. Get them competent leaders, and most of the French problems go away.

The *last* time they had a competent leader, they burned down Moscow.

(though admittedly the actions that led up to the burning of Moscow weren't so bright...)

Posted by: junior at March 27, 2015 02:47 PM (UWFpX)

298 Zombie, Twilight or Apple Jack would be an improvement.

It truly is the Pinkie Pie Administration.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 27, 2015 02:47 PM (zogjM)

299 Posted by: JEM at March 27, 2015 02:44 PM (o+SC1)

Ha, why would they need to do that?

Constitution says Obama is swinging his dick at the Iranians right now.

He is not negotiating on behalf of the american people, since any treaty requires 2/3 of the senate to ratify, and O already said "f the senate" (paraphrase).

So he's just flapping his gums.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:47 PM (AkOaV)

300 How does George Soros profit from President Stumblef#@k's latest diplomatic maneuvers?

Posted by: Furious George, now modeling a tinfoil chapeau at March 27, 2015 02:47 PM (UlJ3l)

301
Can you believe this bullshit?

They're now saying they found a ripped up note from doctor stating the young pilot was "unfit for work." But it's still a mystery!!

Okay, so talk to the doctor and ask him on what did he base this medical decision. The doctor knows.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at March 27, 2015 02:47 PM (ko4zy)

302 I would imagine recent events - the Charlie Hebdo and Jewish deli murders and growing violent Muslin population in France in general- have colored his view of the possibility of peace with one of the biggest sources of Muslim terror for the past few decades.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 27, 2015 02:34 PM (TLTHv)That can't be. That would actually give me some hope that reality could break through liberal delusions. But that doesn't happen, it never happens. So your speculation must be false.

Posted by: Jean-Paul Fartre at March 27, 2015 02:48 PM (xkSSa)

303 So... OT, but I hate MS TFS Gated Check-Ins.

That is all.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 27, 2015 02:48 PM (kff5f)

304 So there are some rumblings out in the interwebs that the copilot who crashed that plane was a recent muslim convert.

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 27, 2015 02:48 PM (VNgld)

305 Smart Diplomacy? A manatee could out-maneuver Obama over a head of lettuce.

Posted by: Fritz at March 27, 2015 02:49 PM (UzPAd)

306 Barky has had more nuts on his chin than a squirrel.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2015 02:49 PM (7DCTd)

307 @301 Okay, so talk to the doctor and ask him on what did he base this medical decision. The doctor knows.
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The doc might not be able to talk. From what I've been hearing, it sounds as if Germany's privacy laws don't go away just because the individual died.

Posted by: junior at March 27, 2015 02:49 PM (UWFpX)

308 So there are some rumblings out in the interwebs that the copilot who crashed that plane was a recent muslim convert.

Last I heard was nothing credible on that score.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 27, 2015 02:49 PM (kff5f)

309
How does George Soros profit from President Stumblef#@k's latest diplomatic maneuvers?

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Well it endangers every Jew living in Israel, so it probably brings back some good memories from his youth.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2015 02:49 PM (40li+)

310
How does George Soros profit from President Stumblef#@k's latest diplomatic maneuvers?

taking advantage of unstable financial markets is how he made his fortune

Posted by: kj at March 27, 2015 02:50 PM (lKyWE)

311 Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 27, 2015 02:48 PM (VNgld)

Primary source for that one is wayy to sketchy for any reputable group to reprint.

But I'm sure there are people trying to corroborate that as we speak.

May be true. Probably isn't though.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:50 PM (AkOaV)

312
soros already has wealth. Now he wants control. soros wants to bend the world to his will. It's ego.

But I have no doubt that soros has a financial interest in all these rotten deals obama has us in.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at March 27, 2015 02:50 PM (ko4zy)

313 76
Have 6 bottles. 1 atwerk.

I get the impression that I've missed on a fun moron meme because I'm unable to access the comments while atwerk.

Posted by: Anachronda at March 27, 2015 02:50 PM (o78gS)

314 @308 So there are some rumblings out in the interwebs that the copilot who crashed that plane was a recent muslim convert.

Last I heard was nothing credible on that score.
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Same. I would, in fact, be surprised if there *weren't* rumblings along those lines somewhere on the web. Until there's some actual evidence (circumstantial or otherwise), it's nothing more than rumblings.

Posted by: junior at March 27, 2015 02:50 PM (UWFpX)

315 Well it endangers every Jew living in Israel, so it probably brings back some good memories from his youth.

Even more practically- when your main means of getting rich has been to "invest" in various economies, and then ruin them, a highly unstable ME might give you lots of opportunity for profit.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 27, 2015 02:50 PM (kff5f)

316 What we need to start to understand is that the motivations of most of these disillusioned young men are primarily economic. If we could only share our great wealth with them we could usher in a new age of peace and prosperity. Anyhoo, no time to talk, I have to pack my Dora backpack so I can get to my adult preschool coloring class! Toodley doo!!

Posted by: Random Lefty Douche in NYC at March 27, 2015 02:51 PM (1CFbI)

317 I predicted back in 2008 that President Obama would be know to history as the American Neville Chamberlain. As pessimistic as I was, it never occurred to me that the more apt comparison would be to Vidkun Quisling.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at March 27, 2015 02:51 PM (8+0sF)

318 Iodine-129 has a half life of 15 million years so forget that.

so it's nowhere near sufficiently radioactive to be a cancer risk. After all, half-life is inversely proportional to activity.

Iodine-131 has a half life of 8 days. So, in 8 days it's reduce by
half. Then in another 8 days, reduced again, and another 8 days ... and
another ...

so it is plenty hot enough to cause cancer, and has in fact been proven to do so; and can also be used to treat cancer, but I digress
but thyroid cancer will be the least of your worries.

Posted by: H. (Hall) Henry at March 27, 2015 02:39 PM (+OFwL)

So taking potassium iodate is a relatively safe and easy way to mitigate one specific risk of exposure to a fallout plume. Does not sound unreasonable to have some on hand.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 27, 2015 02:51 PM (KefbY)

319 Repost for Tango from prior thread:

I wasn't knocking anyone, I was just saying that not wearing a helmet at all times is not an "out of control" unit. Point being that this "criticism" of Bowe's unit is ridiculous.

How many veterans are on here? Desert duty is fucking hot, I know a lot of times when there's no armor or helmets. That's actually par for the course on base.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 27, 2015 02:52 PM (q5APL)

320 If you're a stripper you're atwerk at work.

Posted by: eleven at March 27, 2015 02:52 PM (Ae7K+)

321 If Barky is so desperate for a legacy, any legacy, there are plenty of Subaru dealers around DC who could help.

Posted by: win-win all around at March 27, 2015 02:52 PM (9Z8lH)

322 Don't forget the Geiger counters

http://www.radmeters4u.com/more.htm

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 27, 2015 02:52 PM (zogjM)

323 I get the impression that I've missed on a fun moron meme because I'm unable to access the comments while atwerk.

Nah. Potassium Iodate in case of emergency.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2015 02:52 PM (7DCTd)

324
What does the US get out of this?

Exactly what Iran wants.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 27, 2015 02:53 PM (jeCnD)

325 Retired Buckeye Cop,
I thought TFG would be our Neville Chamberlain too. He's going to get us into a war, that's for sure.

Posted by: Carol at March 27, 2015 02:53 PM (sj3Ax)

326 Where is David fucking Cameron on this?

Posted by: prescient11 at March 27, 2015 02:54 PM (q5APL)

327 What....was that too easy?

Posted by: eleven at March 27, 2015 02:54 PM (Ae7K+)

328 obama is a joke and everyone knows as much. I hope he knows he will be hanging around public courses, pulling a cart, looking to fill out someones foursome after the next election.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 27, 2015 02:54 PM (gsfK5)

329 Retired Buckeye Cop:

What a fantastic comparison.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 27, 2015 02:54 PM (q5APL)

330 I thought TFG would be our Neville Chamberlain too. He's going to get us into a war, that's for sure. Posted by: Carol at March 27, 2015 02:53 PM (sj3Ax)

I agree, but fear the war may be with each other.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 27, 2015 02:55 PM (CzJOg)

331 anyone wanna go in on a fund and buy obama out of the balance of his contract now?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 27, 2015 02:55 PM (gsfK5)

332 After all, half-life is inversely proportional to activity.

Ah Ha! That revealed to me that there was something I did not understand, and now I do.

Thank you.

Posted by: H. (Hall) Henry at March 27, 2015 02:55 PM (+OFwL)

333 304 So there are some rumblings out in the interwebs that the copilot who crashed that plane was a recent muslim convert.

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool

There are rumors and rumblings claiming every conceivable thing on every current event.

Until there is one shred of evidence, however, the rumblings shall be ignored.

Link for evidence? I await.

Posted by: zombie at March 27, 2015 02:56 PM (K4YiS)

334 Does anyone think that perhaps there should be calls for recusal of the WH's involvement in these talks, considering that his number one, top, closest advisor

IS HALF FUCKING IRANIAN???!!!

Posted by: prescient11 at March 27, 2015 02:56 PM (q5APL)

335 in five years he will be handing out putters at a mini golf course.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 27, 2015 02:56 PM (gsfK5)

336 Here's the deal I think Urkel X has in mind:

1. We empty Gitmo and send 'em all to Iran
2. We agree to get rid of all or most all of our nukes.

In exchange, Iran agrees to pretend not to be trying to develop nukes.

Fundamental transformation, baby! He wants to make it near impossible for his successors to un-f*ck his handiwork.

The Bergdahl thing worked out fine for him - he got 5 people out of Gitmo. So what?

Posted by: George Tirebiter at March 27, 2015 02:56 PM (91kn2)

337 Too French for the French???
That sends a shiver up my spine.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 27, 2015 02:56 PM (CzJOg)

338
How many veterans are on here? Desert duty is fucking hot, I know a lot of times when there's no armor or helmets. That's actually par for the course on base.

i was at 29 palms ca back in the day when we still had steel pots and big heavy flack jackets.you shedded them at the first opportunity.but nobody was shooting at us though

Posted by: kj at March 27, 2015 02:56 PM (lKyWE)

339 328,

I don't think Obama will have to worry about that. He'll always have Reggie Love and two other guys to make him into Lucky Pierre.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 27, 2015 02:57 PM (GHHRC)

340 I predicted back in 2008 that President Obama would be know to history as the American Neville Chamberlain.

That depends upon the authors of the books.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 27, 2015 02:57 PM (W5DcG)

341 Posted by: prescient11 at March 27, 2015 02:52 PM (q5APL)

A buddy of mine was telling me some stories from Bosnia... apparently they had to wear their armor at all times even when they went to (ahem) use the facilities. Lots of bitching and moaning ensued.

But yeah, I bet a lot of guys were breaking that rule in Iraq, and probably also in Afghanistan.

Iraq especially would be miserably hot with boots, armor and a helmet on.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:58 PM (AkOaV)

342 Time for some cleavage?

http://tinyurl.com/q9qxgnz

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 27, 2015 02:58 PM (zogjM)

343 Brian Dennehy will play France in the movie?

Posted by: Lurker John at March 27, 2015 02:59 PM (qC8kc)

344 The official offered a hopeful note, adding that a nuclear deal with Iran — which some reports say could come as soon as Sunday — could be a turning point for the region.

“The truth is, you can dwell on Yemen, or you can recognize that we’re one agreement away from a game-changing, legacy-setting nuclear accord on Iran that tackles what every one agrees is the biggest threat to the region,” the official said.

we’re one agreement away from a game-changing, legacy-setting nuclear accord on Iran.

Indeed, indeed.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 27, 2015 02:59 PM (evdj2)

345 YankeeFifth,
He wouldn't go, he likes the perks & wants to destroy U. S.

Posted by: Carol at March 27, 2015 02:59 PM (sj3Ax)

346 IS HALF FUCKING IRANIAN???!!!
Posted by: prescient11 at March 27, 2015 02:56 PM (q5APL)

Nah, I think she's totally black.

Her dad was a doctor or something stationed in Iran when she was born.

But (without googling it, I'm lazy) I'm pretty sure both of her parents were black and from the US.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:59 PM (AkOaV)

347 Anna where do you find this shit???

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 27, 2015 03:00 PM (0FSuD)

348 323
I get the impression that I've missed on a fun moron meme because I'm unable to access the comments while atwerk.

Nah. Potassium Iodate in case of emergency.

I was referring to "at work" (at work) becoming "atwerk" (while twerking).

Posted by: Anachronda at March 27, 2015 03:00 PM (o78gS)

349 Nice try Anna, shadowing and glitter gets in the way though!

KJ: Well that's true.

Mynewhandle: Yep, it gets to like 130 sometimes in the ME. fucking crazy hot.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 27, 2015 03:00 PM (q5APL)

350
Reposting from the Dump thread because the pilot boy was a muzzie story won't go away:

OK, I went to gateway pundit. Their story is sourced by a Michael Mannheimer of PI-News. (btw, Mannheimer is the alias of Karl-Michael Merkle).

PI (Politically Incorrect) News is basically a hate sight, backed by neo-nazis.

http://bit.ly/1bBk8Tf (Krautish article about PI written before the plane crash).

Gateway Pundit is basically sourcing the story from the German version of Stormfront.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 27, 2015 03:00 PM (JtwS4)

351
Time for some cleavage?

There was a time.....

Liz had it goin on.

Posted by: eleven at March 27, 2015 03:00 PM (Ae7K+)

352 Who cares about nuclear destruction? Frat boys said racist things.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 27, 2015 03:00 PM (W5DcG)

353 Posted by: Anachronda at March 27, 2015 03:00 PM (o78gS)

I think twerking negates pumping your thyroid full of iodine in the event of a nuclear war. It's Science.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 03:01 PM (AkOaV)

354 I would find it fascinating that a PFC with barely a year in the Army and a month in theater on his first deployment would judge himself to know best what constitutes "good order and discipline". Yet be such a dumbass that he does not know how to use his chain of command or the IG.

Or..it's all a complete load of self-serving bullshit, and probably explains why GEN Milley kicked him in the ass with the charges. (Milley happened to be a one star with the 101 who TOAed out right before BB did his thing)

Have I mentioned that I hope his asshole flaps when the wind blows? TRA LA LA LA LA LA LA

Posted by: Bruce Jenner's Plastic Vag at March 27, 2015 03:01 PM (1CFbI)

355 Posted by: Meriadoc at March 27, 2015 02:43 PM (0lkD2)

Thanks! I looked up the blog and will read it. It looks interesting.

Posted by: Chilling the most at March 27, 2015 03:01 PM (zW5rQ)

356 Last I heard was nothing credible on that score.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 27, 2015 02:49 PM (kff5f)

Gateway Pundit has a post on it. Seems a little obscure, to be honest.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2015 03:01 PM (BZAd3)

357 You calling Elizabeth Taylor as Cleopatra sh*t there?

Oh boy, I think that constitutes 'fighting words' or something with the Morons.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 27, 2015 03:01 PM (zogjM)

358 340I predicted back in 2008 that President Obama would be know to history as the American Neville Chamberlain.

That depends upon the authors of the books.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 27, 2015 02:57 PM (W5DcG)I've thought about that before. But Chamberlain I believe meant well. I do not think Obama does. He's just a spiteful, ignorant tool.

Posted by: Jean-Paul Fartre at March 27, 2015 03:02 PM (xkSSa)

359 Gateway Pundit is basically sourcing the story from the German version of Stormfront.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 27, 2015 03:00 PM (JtwS4)

Yeah. And they sourced the story (as I saw it) from a facebook post made in English, which raised my red flags, since I would assume it would be in Deutsche and not English if it were legit.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 03:02 PM (AkOaV)

360 Bertram Cabot: Exactly right.

Puts things into perspective eh. We must stop giving attention to the left's fake, meaningless stories.

Just don't report it. Don't talk about it. Who gives a fuck.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 27, 2015 03:02 PM (q5APL)

361 In defense of Chamberlain, France wasn't ready to fight, and apparently wasn't ready in 1940 either.
In '38, they had no Spitfires yet, and few Hurricanes. The Brits at least improved their situation.

We're getting worse, not better.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 27, 2015 03:02 PM (Spluw)

362
Israel got most (all?) of their original air force planes from France.

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I don't know how they got them but early Israeli pilots sometimes flew the Me-109, the iconic Nazi fighter. Pretty ironic.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 27, 2015 02:07 PM (XUKZU)

Quite a bit of early Israeli hardware was ex-Nazi stuff. Israeli Mauser 98Ks are prized items on the civilian milsurp market, in part because of the irony of having both the swastika (defaced) and the Star of David stamped into the receiver.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 27, 2015 03:02 PM (SpnVI)

363 I like when Cleopartra was ROLLED UP in a Rug!

Posted by: elevenwing plover at March 27, 2015 03:03 PM (Ae7K+)

364 Just looking for a better photo of the tatas Anna!

Posted by: prescient11 at March 27, 2015 03:03 PM (q5APL)

365 40 Ted Cruz defends his global warming position in the most awesome way
http://bit.ly/19Zu9Jo
Posted by: tmitsss at March 27, 2015 01:56 PM (Pa9vP)

He was a little on the preachy side of you ask me.

Posted by: Charles C. W. Cooke at March 27, 2015 03:03 PM (SeU5n)

366 five minute old nood

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 03:04 PM (AkOaV)

367 Sounds like something the Horde might enjoy, who can find the best Taylor as Cleopatra picture.

Ready? Set? Go!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 27, 2015 03:04 PM (zogjM)

368 Charles CW Cooke is becoming unreadable.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 27, 2015 03:04 PM (q5APL)

369 290
Right now there better be 70 Senators and 350 Representatives all
sponsoring a bill prohibiting the executive from taking steps to
implement any agreement with Iran without approval of Congress.

Posted by: JEM at March 27, 2015 02:44 PM (o+SC1)

And yet they haven't bothered to vote on it... they are too busy fiddling to get around to it, evidently.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 27, 2015 03:05 PM (OrI3J)

370 Not to mention the socialism we exported post-ww2 with the marshall plan
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 27, 2015 02:46 PM (AkOaV)

I see you've discovered a door to an alternate universe that led you from your worldto ours. So who's President where you come from? Did Elvis die sweaty and fat in an Indianapolis hotel room or is he still going on strong, luring groupies down to the Jungle Room?

Wait. No matter. Forget I asked. That bit about us 'exporting socialism via the Marshall Plan' indicates that your reality is so far removed from our reality that the two don't bear comparison.

Posted by: Ali, Local Taliban Leader at March 27, 2015 03:05 PM (Bvf82)

371 Off, damn Taliban sock.

Posted by: troyriser at March 27, 2015 03:06 PM (Bvf82)

372 unreadable.
Posted by: prescient11 at March 27, 2015 03:04 PM (q5APL)

Word

Posted by: Charles C. W. Cooke at March 27, 2015 03:06 PM (SeU5n)

373
Israel got most (all?) of their original air force planes from France. they flew the mirage back in the 60's. at that time we were not providing military aid to israel.

Posted by: kj at March 27, 2015 03:06 PM (lKyWE)

374 Quite a bit of early Israeli hardware was ex- Nazi stuff. Israeli Mauser 98Ks are prized items on the civilian milsurp market, in part because of the irony of having both the swastika (defaced) and the Star of David stamped into the receiver.

That would be awesome.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2015 03:07 PM (7DCTd)

375 Always thought that Liz Taylor in "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" was the most beautiful and sexy woman I have ever seen.

"Yup. That girl's got life on her alright."

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 27, 2015 03:08 PM (CzJOg)

376
after WWII the miltary surplus market was well stocked.i believe the israelies used old american tanks bought on the market

Posted by: kj at March 27, 2015 03:10 PM (lKyWE)

377 I predicted back in 2008 that President Obama would be know to history as the American Neville Chamberlain.
********************
That depends upon the authors of the books.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 27, 2015 02:57 PM (W5DcG)

True, but those authors are almost certainly not going to be our current crop of Leftists and Trans-national socialists. The Leftists think they can control the Mohammedans; the Leftists are wrong.

Fortunately for us, the Mohammedans are pretty good at blowing $h!t up but not so good at building tanks, combat aircraft and naval ships. I think Obama has set things in motion that will end up leaving millions dead. Maybe I'm an optimist but I don't think the Mohammedans and the Leftists will win in the long run.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at March 27, 2015 03:10 PM (8+0sF)

378 France is the fifth largest economic power in the world, behind the US, China, Japan, and Germany. Unlike two of those three, it has nuclear weapons.

The fact they've allowed their military power to degrade since the early '60s should not blind us to the fact they are still, in fact, a major power, despite the mocking of certain commentators.

Posted by: Adjoran at March 27, 2015 03:11 PM (QIQ6j)

379 368 Charles CW Cooke is becoming unreadable.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 27, 2015 03:04 PM (q5APL)

What did the asshole do this time?

Posted by: jwest at March 27, 2015 03:12 PM (9ZZd+)

380 The words "legacy-setting" say it all. No one who really cares about peace and stopping a nuclear Iran puts that narcissistic phrase as point two.

Posted by: Kyle at March 27, 2015 03:16 PM (8uzdZ)

381 Obama's election was a bite that will effect this country for a very long time. Like a wound that won't heal. The best analogy I can think of is this:

Brown Recluse Spider.

"This spider lives in dark corners and places inside the houses, and also under the furniture, boxes and books.
It has a rather shy and nonaggressive behavior, although occasionally the Brown Recluse Spider bites human because they share the same habitat.

This arachnid prefers undisturbed places, so the Brown Recluse Spider usually bites humans when it is caught between a part of the body and another surface, for example, when children are playing under house furniture such as beds and tables or in the garage. Bites also happen while a person who is sleeping suddenly rolls in a bed where the Brown Recluse Spider has climbed, or when dressing with clothes or shoes where the spider has hidden itself.

Tell me this isn't a metaphor for what TFG is doing to this country

http://tinyurl.com/o2osc2q

Posted by: #Better Off Not Knowing at March 27, 2015 03:16 PM (s/gWD)

382 Liz Taylor cleavage FTW:

http://tinyurl.com/pn5nbgf
http://tinyurl.com/p9ex9sy

Bunk. (I may be there a while......dayum.)

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 27, 2015 03:16 PM (CzJOg)

383 Keith Laumer wrote some SiFi stories about a character named "Retief". Apparently the author was familiar with diplomats and their personalities.

Of course Retief was the hero, and the diplomats were the buffoons.

If only we had a Retief. . .

Posted by: H. (Hall) Henry at March 27, 2015 03:17 PM (+OFwL)

384 "Legacy building." Does any phrase better sum up this middling trifle of a president? Always the legacy. It's being built alright, champ. Don't think it'll be what you want.

Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at March 27, 2015 03:19 PM (sODhU)

385 And I suppose for accuracy' sake...I meant "legacy setting." That is all.

Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at March 27, 2015 03:20 PM (sODhU)

386 Ah Hell ! Wrong Tab
Disregard previous transmission.

Wrong frequency
Wrong Net

Closing station.

Posted by: H. (Hall) Henry at March 27, 2015 03:22 PM (+OFwL)

387 The Russkies like having ME connections, doesn't care if Assad uses chemicals on his people. But with Obama they're probably like "WTF, you're really gonna let the Ayatollah end of the world nut have nukes?"

And some say Russia doesn't want Iran's oil so freely on the world market. But who knows? Leftists praised Mandela and he went back to South Africa and sang with his Soviet buddy about killing off the white farmers. The American left is subversive in both foreign and domestic affairs.

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 27, 2015 03:23 PM (ZU84r)

388
.
.
.It isn't very stable for long. We used to get pills every other year from the Nuke Emergency people when we lived in the fallout zone of a reactor in Connecticut.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 27, 2015 03:23 PM (4oSLk)

389 117

Ask any Democrat why they want this deal.

You'll get nothing.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 27, 2015 02:09 PM (IXrOn)

Because Obama wants it.

And they want it because he wants it.

Just another MacGuffin for him and his worshipers.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at March 27, 2015 03:28 PM (pjGyP)

390 And if he breaks up NATO over this, he will count it as even a bigger win.

Because nutbag.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 27, 2015 03:50 PM (bLnSU)

391 Obama is "politically naïve". Is "politically naïve" a French phrase for "This shit head is dumber than a box of buffalo turds"?

Posted by: Comanche Voter at March 27, 2015 03:59 PM (3rLmo)

392 "anyone wanna go in on a fund and buy obama out of the balance of his contract now?"

GoFundMe or Kickstarter?

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