One Pilot Locked Out of Cockpit in Germanwings Crash; Audio from Black Box Reveals Pilot Was Trying to Smash Down the Door

So.


Yes it's as you expected.

A senior military official involved in the investigation described “very smooth, very cool” conversation between the pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Dusseldorf. Then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter.

"The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer," the investigator said. "And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer."

He said, "You can hear he is trying to smash the door down."

....

"We don't know yet the reason why one of the guys went out," said the official, who requested anonymity because the investigation is continuing. "But what is sure is that at the very end of the flight, the other pilot is alone and does not open the door."


What I assume, then, is that the man at the controls contrived to get the copilot to exit the cockpit, then locked him out, then deliberately murdered 149 innocent souls.

It is the man at the controls who did this, obviously, given that he never issued any distress calls like "My maniac copilot is trying to kill us."

People are now asking, as they should: What was this pilot's name?

Alternate Theory: Well, I don't see this as likely, but:

Sorry if this is a repeat but per Anna Puma earlier today this Airbus was at very very end of planned service life, and for reasons I do not know aviation experts were speculating today on aviation blogs that the windscreen may have failed leading to decompression/disabling of pilots (or pilot, alone on flight deck whose door only opened from inside).

-- rhomboid

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1 Well F that. EgyptAir 990 again?

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at March 25, 2015 07:51 PM (l4sBv)

2 People are now asking, as they should: What was this pilot's name?




It wasn't Hans was it?

Posted by: EC at March 25, 2015 07:51 PM (doBIb)

3 Yes, what was the pilot's name. Odds on Mustafa?

Posted by: rrpjr at March 25, 2015 07:51 PM (s/yC1)

4
People are now asking, as they should: What was this pilot's name?

Martin Luther, obviously.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 25, 2015 07:51 PM (OiH3z)

5 Crap. Yes, it really IS as I expected. And yeah, they're not telling us who the pilots are for a reason. What was it ISIS said? Take it local, be terror where you are?

Also, first?

Posted by: Thea at March 25, 2015 07:51 PM (Ql2lm)

6 What is pilot name is best question.

Posted by: Carol at March 25, 2015 07:52 PM (sj3Ax)

7 Or "Bill Clay".

Posted by: EC at March 25, 2015 07:52 PM (doBIb)

8 Aw. Not first. This is a terrible story in a day of terrible stories that indicate there are no adults in charge, anywhere.

Posted by: Thea at March 25, 2015 07:52 PM (Ql2lm)

9 Nothing to see here, move on! How about that Ted Cruuuuuz, unelectable right?!?!

Posted by: MSM at March 25, 2015 07:52 PM (yRwC8)

10 Much ado about nothing..... Can't we talk about something else?

Posted by: Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed at March 25, 2015 07:52 PM (fLKzW)

11 Sudden Jihadi Syndrome.

Obama announces new job program to combat this tragic condition that afflicts Muslims worldwide.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 07:52 PM (0NdlF)

12 IS? Anyone think that too?

Posted by: Carol at March 25, 2015 07:52 PM (sj3Ax)

13

This is creeping me out as I'm off to Europe in a month or so.

bleh

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 25, 2015 07:53 PM (IXrOn)

14 Phil Robertson?

Posted by: just guessing at March 25, 2015 07:53 PM (JVKFK)

15

Mohammad?

We don't even need multiple choice!

Posted by: imp at March 25, 2015 07:53 PM (XIXZz)

16 I asked in the orevioys thread.Is it possible the cockpit glass failed while the copilot eas away,the pilot either unconcious or dead unable to open the door?I believe they can only be opeed from the inside post 9/11.

Posted by: steevy at March 25, 2015 07:53 PM (KETbL)

17 They're the real victims, really.

Don't be rayciss, all y'all.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 07:53 PM (0NdlF)

18 We're flying to Alaska this summer. I'm sure there's nothing to worry about.

Aloha Saladbar.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 07:53 PM (FsuaD)

19
This is creeping me out as I'm off to Europe in a month or so.

bleh



Scary.

Posted by: eleven at March 25, 2015 07:53 PM (MDgS8)

20 But if the pilot was an atheist who watched Duck Dynasty, then all bets are off ...

Posted by: Adriane the Practical ... at March 25, 2015 07:53 PM (nSOh+)

21 It was obviously a Jewish shapeshifter impersonating the actual copilot.

Posted by: The Arab Street at March 25, 2015 07:54 PM (noWW6)

22 I'd like to know if the pilot conversation included one pilot saying to the other, "say, could you get me some tea," or "tell the flight attendant that I'd like breakfast?" Click. This is a very bad deal.

Posted by: Thea at March 25, 2015 07:54 PM (Ql2lm)

23 >>> Obama announces new job program to combat this tragic condition that afflicts Muslims worldwide.

So I'm guessing the NASA outreach is not working...

Posted by: LizLem at March 25, 2015 07:54 PM (yRwC8)

24 Oh God no.

I saw this on my twitter feed and kept going no no no please let it be a rumor.

At least in 1979 the planes were hijacked. If we have to have something awful happen, can we go back to that please?

Posted by: alexthechick - I control the vertical at March 25, 2015 07:54 PM (IrByp)

25 I'm willing to bet he's a mudlim.

Posted by: Carol at March 25, 2015 07:54 PM (sj3Ax)

26 The "tell" should have been the prayer rug on the cabin floor.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 07:54 PM (FsuaD)

27 Thank God, or the Flying Spaghetti and Ace for a new post so the conservative atheists and theists can all be friends again. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 25, 2015 07:54 PM (DXzRD)

28

Alternate possibility is that he killed himself in the cockpit over love or money, etc, and took the rest of the plane with him. It's not like suicides can't be selfish individuals.

Posted by: imp at March 25, 2015 07:54 PM (XIXZz)

29 Pilot 1: *bang* *bang* OPEN THE DOOR!

Pilot 2: Allahu Ackbar!




Posted by: Edgar Allan Schmoe at March 25, 2015 07:55 PM (BWczG)

30
I asked in the orevioys thread.Is it possible the cockpit glass failed while the copilot eas away,the pilot either unconcious or dead unable to open the door?I believe they can only be opeed from the inside post 9/11.


Possible.

Posted by: eleven at March 25, 2015 07:55 PM (MDgS8)

31 Allahu akbar, baby.

Posted by: Gameel Al-Batouti at March 25, 2015 07:55 PM (8ZskC)

32 Moe.

His name was Moe. Like one of the stooges.

Now stop asking questions.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 25, 2015 07:55 PM (b4b5c)

33 tawakkalt' `ala 'llah

Posted by: EgyptAir Flight 990 at March 25, 2015 07:55 PM (AVEe1)

34 Awful. Suicide or jihadi or both. Awful

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 07:55 PM (zOTsN)

35 I got willowed in the last thread, so I'll repost my comment:


364 I read speculation earlier today that the windshield failed.

That could still be the case if one of the pilots was outside the cockpit and the other one was incapacitated and couldn't let him back in.

But I still haven't heard the names of the pilots, and that could be what is known as a "clue".

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 07:55 PM (sdi6R)

36 Probably last name was "Bush" or "Cheny". Why do you assume it was a person of color !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at March 25, 2015 07:55 PM (Sd++4)

37
An important point to note here is that, so far, no islamist group has taken responsibility, and I don't believe any will do so.

So it appears we might have here yet another "lone wolf" terrorist/mass-suicide-murderer.

Which can be expected when ISIS repeated the call last week for all muslims to carry out attacks for Islam. So while they are lone wolfs, per se, they really are part of the cancer on the world that I call the Muslim Menace.

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 07:55 PM (ko4zy)

38 Why do we know where all the passengers are from and not one single thing about the pilots. The crew on that flight should be easy to indentify.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 25, 2015 07:55 PM (ucDmr)

39 It's still possible for there to be an innocent explanation. Windshield failure that happened to occur while the co pilot was out of the room.

The hang up there is that I would assume the co pilot would have the ability to unlock the door. Do they not give the pilots keys?

Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 07:56 PM (upbPV)

40 steevy at March 25, 2015 07:53 PM (KETbL)

Sounds logical to me. I read about the 'broken windshield' on some other blogs ...

Posted by: Adriane the Practical ... at March 25, 2015 07:56 PM (nSOh+)

41 Scary.
Posted by: eleven at March 25, 2015 07:53 PM (MDgS


husband says it's the safest time to fly now

I say, nope, not that theory this time...

stats are irrelevant

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 25, 2015 07:56 PM (IXrOn)

42 It would be an unbelievable coincidence if the window failed JUST AS THE OTHER PILOT STEPPED OUT. I'd have a hard time buying that. Again, what was the conversation before the pilot stepped out? What was the other pilot's name? How long between the time the first pilot stepped out and the descent began?

Posted by: Thea at March 25, 2015 07:56 PM (Ql2lm)

43 How soon before we learn something like "His last words were 'Allah Akbar' but that's only because he was a totes devout guy who was preparing for the afterlife after the plane malfunctioned" or some other variation.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 25, 2015 07:56 PM (TLTHv)

44 In all seriousness, this is maddening and breaks my heart for the innocent families and crew.

I can't even imagine their grief. Don't want to.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 07:56 PM (FsuaD)

45 Another airliner full of passengers sacrificed to allah?

After Egyptair 990, muslims should not be permitted on flight crews. They're violent, uncivilized and unpredictable.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 25, 2015 07:56 PM (8ZskC)

46 I hate flying, so Im not up to speed on this: arent cockpit doors only supposed to open from the inside now? And if thats true, could the pilot in the cockpit simply have passed out?

Posted by: Elize Nayden, Prophetess of Delicious Doom at March 25, 2015 07:56 PM (fK/2i)

47 Hans 'Lutefisk' Jorgenson, I'm guessing.

Damn Scandi Lutherans, probably lured the other pilot out with lime Jello salad.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 25, 2015 07:57 PM (S7Zlw)

48 Wife flies home from Gemany Sunday, I'm hoping extra vigilance, German-style, is in place.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 25, 2015 07:57 PM (2cS/G)

49 I just got an alert from Conservative News Reader app that Saudi Arabia is launching attacks in Yemen.

Posted by: Carol at March 25, 2015 07:57 PM (sj3Ax)

50 I always suspect terrorism first off but sometimes accidents happen.That plane was heavily used and some sort of structural failure would not be unlikely.

Posted by: steevy at March 25, 2015 07:57 PM (KETbL)

51 Clearly a jobs and economic outreach program for poverty-stricken airline pilots would have prevented this...

Posted by: Whiskey_Joe at March 25, 2015 07:57 PM (0Y5Qf)

52
Sorry if this is a repeat but per Anna Puma earlier today this Airbus was at very very end of planned service life, and for reasons I do not know aviation experts were speculating today on aviation blogs that the windscreen may have failed leading to decompression/disabling of pilots (or pilot, alone on flight deck whose door only opened from inside).

Posted by: rhomboid at March 25, 2015 07:57 PM (afQnV)

53 >>>I asked in the orevioys thread.Is it possible the cockpit glass failed while the copilot eas away,the pilot either unconcious or dead unable to open the door?I believe they can only be opeed from the inside post 9/11.


Possible.

...

but.. they were in an easy part of teh trip, right? Wouldn't they be on autopilot?

This plane ZOOMED downward, the fall was very precipitous.

Posted by: ace at March 25, 2015 07:57 PM (PA7DS)

54 Einstein Q. Rockefeller

Posted by: some guy at March 25, 2015 07:57 PM (q177U)

55 FALSE FLAG OPERATION!

Posted by: Rand Foward for Victory! at March 25, 2015 07:57 PM (76HNm)

56 But, he had a job! Maybe Marie Harf's "Jobs for Jihadists" program won't be successful, after all....

Posted by: Molon Labe at March 25, 2015 07:57 PM (IU5o4)

57
Wouldnt the pilot who remains be required to lock the other pilot out? Wast the whole idea post 9/11 is to keep terrorists out? So, if the pilot that remains had a heart attack or something, how wd the other pilot come back in?

Posted by: Bruce J. at March 25, 2015 07:57 PM (iQIUe)

58 His name was Joachim von Monocle-Wurtuppel.

His friends called him Mahmud.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 25, 2015 07:58 PM (oFCZn)

59 If the windshield failed, wouldn't they have heard that happen on the recorder? 500 MPH air would probably be louder than a guy trying to break the door down.

Posted by: Todd at March 25, 2015 07:58 PM (lrkg9)

60
Heart attack/ stroke?

Possibly.

Posted by: eleven at March 25, 2015 07:58 PM (MDgS8)

61 The hang up there is that I would assume the co
pilot would have the ability to unlock the door. Do they not give the
pilots keys?

Posted by: Lauren


That would defeat the purpose of locking the doors from the inside, namely to keep people named Mohammed out of the cockpit.

Posted by: pep at March 25, 2015 07:58 PM (4nR9/)

62 Pilot 2: Allahu Ackbar!


Hrm. Nothing but silence.

Posted by: Politically Correct Investigator at March 25, 2015 07:58 PM (0NdlF)

63 The hang up there is that I would assume the co pilot would have the ability to unlock the door. Do they not give the pilots keys?

Sometimes minutes count. Suppose the bad guy had stuck the door shut? Not welded like in that "Firefly" episode, some duct-tape would do for a few minutes.

Posted by: EgyptAir Flight 990 at March 25, 2015 07:58 PM (AVEe1)

64 Pilot Sven Horgenstromm.

Of Beirut.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 25, 2015 07:58 PM (MMC8r)

65 /off le sock

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 25, 2015 07:58 PM (AVEe1)

66 So . . . here's my current working theory:

One of the pilots had to go to the little pilot's room. They had just achieved cruising altitude, and all was well. Autopilot is engaged. Happy, happy, joy, joy.

Plot complication: The fucking terrorists have ensured that "the cockpit door is locked at all times." so it gets locked after pilot goes to wee.

Something really bad happens in the cockpit to the remaining pilot. Windshield catastrophically fails? Pilot in cockpit gets pulverized by 600 mph glass shards?

Pilot in little pilot's room feels an unhealthy jolt in the plane, finishes his business in the little pilot's room and returns to cockpit, knocks, and can't get into cockpit. Hans? Hans? Are you okay? HANS!?!?

Plane augurs into mountain.

Finis.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 07:58 PM (h6Mpm)

67 Allah is my copilot and we're cruisin' into the ground!

Posted by: german pilot with a long beard -- must be a Christian hick at March 25, 2015 07:58 PM (kivUY)

68 If the windscreen failed


They would have heard it

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 07:59 PM (zOTsN)

69

I wonder if there were any VIP's on the plane.

A target.

But, they did say the plane had been worked on. It really could be shoddy maintenance/repair (after so many flights since the repair - stuff doesn't always happen right away).

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 25, 2015 07:59 PM (IXrOn)

70 They can hear the other pilot trying to break down the door. What was he yelling? He probably was yelling.

Posted by: Thea at March 25, 2015 07:59 PM (Ql2lm)

71 66 Well,if he hadn't stepped away the result would have been the same.

Posted by: steevy at March 25, 2015 07:59 PM (KETbL)

72 This is awful.

Posted by: Caunotaucarius at March 25, 2015 07:59 PM (aruDZ)

73 If the glass failed, you would hear that on the CVR.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 25, 2015 07:59 PM (MMC8r)

74 "German" used to mean something.

Posted by: A. Hitler at March 25, 2015 07:59 PM (8ZskC)

75 One thing I found interesting is that the speed at the time of the crash was under 400 knots.

I don't know what the cruising speed of an A320 is, but I would assume it is higher than that. If the plane nose-dived from 38,000 feet I would expect it to be going a lot faster.

I remember an incident years ago where a Boeing 727 exceeded Mach 1 in an unplanned dive, and survived.

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 07:59 PM (sdi6R)

76 "That would defeat the purpose of locking the doors from the inside, namely to keep people named Mohammed out of the cockpit. "

A code or something? Seems you can find a way for those who need access to gain access, otherwise we're all just a pee break and a heart attack away from death on an airplane.

Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 07:59 PM (upbPV)

77 I'm ex-military. Pilot. Knew from the get go this wasn't an accident. This will create enormous problems for the industry. Can you ban muslim pilots? Not likely. Or the guy is just some asshole who doesn't mind taking hundreds with him? It's happened before.

Posted by: Daninmichigan at March 25, 2015 08:00 PM (2yD4G)

78 Such much for the aerospace outreach to the Muzzies

Posted by: NASA Adminstrator at March 25, 2015 08:00 PM (LoIJo)

79
If the windshield failed, wouldn't they have heard that happen on the recorder? 500 MPH air would probably be louder than a guy trying to break the door down.


Good point.

Posted by: eleven at March 25, 2015 08:00 PM (MDgS8)

80
"People are now asking, as they should: What was this pilot's name?"
______
Yep, I was wondering in the earlier openthread why they haven't released the pilot's names yet. I'm gonna guess it was Muhommed. I could be wrong, but that's my suspicion. And, of course, I denounce my racism.

Posted by: BuckIV at March 25, 2015 08:00 PM (CLfqv)

81 *cough cough hack wheeze*
*emerges from previous thread's acrid smoke of rancor and burning strawmen*

Wow, this is about as creepy as it gets.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 25, 2015 08:00 PM (mx5oN)

82 >>> Why do we know where all the passengers are from and not one single thing about the pilots. The crew on that flight should be easy to indentify.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 25, 2015 07:55 PM (ucDmr)

Yes. This speaks volumes. If both pilots had names that did not reveal their ethnicity, they would have released them immediately to keep people from going all Muslim backlash.

Posted by: L, Elle at March 25, 2015 08:00 PM (2x3L+)

83 Hopefully no Gays or Lesbians were on board. That would be a terrible disaster...........

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at March 25, 2015 08:00 PM (Sd++4)

84 It would have been LOUD

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 08:00 PM (zOTsN)

85 'ette: I thought so too when I heard about the Iranian journalists aboard but then it turned out the "journalists" were on the soccer beat

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 25, 2015 08:00 PM (AVEe1)

86 68 If the windscreen failed

They would have heard it



And released details.

Sort of like white shooters of black people.

But when unspecified youths beat up passerbys ...

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 08:00 PM (0NdlF)

87 How soon before we learn something like "His last words were 'Allah Akbar'

Don't be silly, we'll soon be informed with complete confidence that nothing of the sort occurred.

Even if it did.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 25, 2015 08:00 PM (S7Zlw)

88 "What was this pilot's name?"

Newly convert Fa'tal iK'ill

Posted by: JarvisW at March 25, 2015 08:00 PM (E7Iyp)

89 I remember a Heinlein short story, "Space Jockey", showing a day in the life of a space pilot. Early in his day, the pilot was surreptitiously checked out by an undercover psychologist to decide whether his mental state was good enough to fly. The psychologist badgered the pilot with annoying questions (pretending to be a clueless tourist) and nearly down-checked him for not taking it with his usual good grace. (We the audience see the near down-check but the pilot never knows.)

It seemed pretty implausible but now I'm wondering if there will be a big push to Big Brother all the pilots and make sure they are only happy people who think happy thoughts and would never commit suicide with a plane full of passengers.

Posted by: mr_jack at March 25, 2015 08:00 PM (GP7PH)

90 >>> husband says it's the safest time to fly now

There are huge travel deals right now. There is a newer cruise line in Europe that had a deal for $200 airfare if you booked a cruise package. From America and back, airfare, $200. I think things are more dire than the travel industry is letting on, because of crap like this. But let's put on a happy face!

Posted by: LizLem at March 25, 2015 08:01 PM (yRwC8)

91 Couldn't the cockpit have lost pressure without a catastrophic failure?Pilot doesn't even notice and loses conciousness.

Posted by: steevy at March 25, 2015 08:01 PM (KETbL)

92 Now Bill O' Ego is on & it's never live.

Posted by: Carol at March 25, 2015 08:01 PM (sj3Ax)

93 Wife flies home from Gemany Sunday, I'm hoping extra vigilance, German-style, is in place.
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 25, 2015 07:57 PM (2cS/G)


an international flight from Munich (?) should be safe

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 25, 2015 08:02 PM (IXrOn)

94 I'm bettin' that pilot was an atheist.

Posted by: Phil Robertson at March 25, 2015 08:02 PM (MMC8r)

95 A code or something? Seems you can find a way for
those who need access to gain access, otherwise we're all just a pee
break and a heart attack away from death on an airplane.

Posted by: Lauren


But then the hijackers of unknown ethnic background would simply grab the pilot as he walked back to the head and make him make the other pilot open the door.

Posted by: pep at March 25, 2015 08:02 PM (4nR9/)

96 Pilots name? Reinhardt al-Azzizi is my wager.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 25, 2015 08:02 PM (l3vZN)

97 Can you ban muslim pilots? Not likely.

Clearly we should throw a technological solution at that problem.

Like an app that detects Sudden Jihadi Syndrome and revokes control of the plane.

Or we could just ban Muslim pilots.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 08:02 PM (0NdlF)

98 Why do we know where all the passengers are from and not one single thing about the pilots. The crew on that flight should be easy to indentify.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo


THIS.

What possible reason would they have to withhold the pilots' names?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 25, 2015 08:03 PM (JBzwC)

99 They hit the side of that alp at 500 mph.

Nothing but pieces of bodies to retrieve.

Immediately, the WH said they believed it was not a terrorist attack.

Hmmmm....believe the WH?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 08:03 PM (FsuaD)

100
People are now asking, as they should: What was this pilot's name?


Al A. HuAckbar

Posted by: Phil Robertson at March 25, 2015 08:03 PM (MMC8r)

101 I wouldn't want a muslim pilot.Or a cab driver.Certainly not a muslim surgeon operating on je.

Posted by: steevy at March 25, 2015 08:03 PM (KETbL)

102
Couldn't the cockpit have lost pressure without a catastrophic failure?Pilot doesn't even notice and loses conciousness.

Yes. I believe so.

Posted by: eleven at March 25, 2015 08:03 PM (MDgS8)

103 ThunderB, you still serving drinks?
Think I need a double....

Posted by: Lizzy at March 25, 2015 08:03 PM (TLTHv)

104

Pilot #2: Knock, knock!

Pilot #1: Who there?

Pilot #2: Let me in!

Pilot #1: Go away, fappin!

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 08:03 PM (ko4zy)

105 Or we could just ban Muslim pilots.


Expand the rule to passengers and fewer innocent people will die.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 25, 2015 08:03 PM (8ZskC)

106 But arming pilots? Nah, that's crazy talk.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 25, 2015 08:03 PM (bBSXR)

107 Does Germany have an Ari Marshall type program?

Bullet through the door and then windshield?

throwing-darts-in-the-dark level shit but...

Only real salient fact at this point is the lack of pilot names. It's not exactly privileged info. They'll be known soon.

Posted by: jammer at March 25, 2015 08:04 PM (7d8Ef)

108 Je m'appelle Jean Claude Rene Achmed Mohammed

Posted by: Pilot at March 25, 2015 08:04 PM (LoIJo)

109 "People are now asking, as they should: What was this pilot's name?"

We'll have a better idea when they refuse to answer.

Posted by: rc at March 25, 2015 08:04 PM (J4ZHs)

110 94 I'm bettin' that pilot was an atheist.
Posted by: Phil Robertson at March 25, 2015 08:02 PM (MMC8r)


*golf clap*

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 08:04 PM (sdi6R)

111 Failure to release the names tells you a lot. The names of passengers have been released.

Posted by: Bruce J. at March 25, 2015 08:04 PM (iQIUe)

112 All of us down at the Brattleboro Women's Reproductive Health Choice
Clinic think President Obama should Presdent Obama should make Congress pass a law so this doesn't happen again.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at March 25, 2015 08:04 PM (Sd++4)

113 I own a mansion and a yacht.

Posted by: Einstein Q. Rockefeller at March 25, 2015 08:04 PM (kivUY)

114 last words,

Be a good chap and fetch my prayer rug will you.

Click, door locks.

Alla Snackbar!

Posted by: Pilot Achmed at March 25, 2015 08:04 PM (j5/E1)

115 It seemed pretty implausible but now I'm wondering if there will be a big push to Big Brother all the pilots and make sure they are only happy people who think happy thoughts and would never commit suicide with a plane full of passengers.
Posted by: mr_jack at March 25, 2015 08:00 PM (GP7PH)

They've done that for years. Friend of mine has a husband who is a commercial pilot. She said he is tested several times a year for emotional and mental health, level of stress, etc.
That doesn't mean someone can't give all the correct answers.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 25, 2015 08:05 PM (PfWwQ)

116 "But then the hijackers of unknown ethnic background would simply grab the pilot as he walked back to the head and make him make the other pilot open the door. "

If you've got a code he just says no, and yes probably gets killed. Still keeps the cockpit secure while allowing access.

Either way, it's the Muslims fault. Either the pilot went all Jihadi or the systems put in place to protect from Muslims prevented any hope to save the flight.

Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 08:05 PM (upbPV)

117 Bowe Begdahl gave praise to Allah upon hearing this.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 25, 2015 08:05 PM (bBSXR)

118 I really, really wanted to go to Italy this year. Love it.

Husband is obsessed with visiting the last of the states he's never visited. Alaska.

What are the odds a looney Muzzie could pilot a Delta flight to Vancouver?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 08:05 PM (FsuaD)

119 Failure to release the names tells you a lot. The names of passengers have been released.


We only knew him as "Buzz."

Posted by: GermanWings Press Release at March 25, 2015 08:06 PM (8ZskC)

120 If it was a German muslim the shit should rightly hit the fan.
They say there was no communication from the pilot though so that seems odd unless he felt he only had 10 minutes before the door was breached. He wasn't fooling around on the impact speed.
Poor bastards turned into confetti.

Posted by: jjshaka at March 25, 2015 08:06 PM (Xq+j4)

121 dog that didn't bark

definitely pinging like crazy, my Allah-meter

Posted by: UppityBlackOrchid at March 25, 2015 08:06 PM (mJUSR)

122 Shots. Everybody line up. Shot of the night? The Kamikazi.


Too soon?

It's gallows humor. Makes me sick. Hubby was an aviator. Still in a related business. Awful. Just horrible

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 08:06 PM (zOTsN)

123
Broken windshield?? Heart attack??

Look, anything's possible. But that's like your engine falling out of your car on the highway.

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 08:06 PM (ko4zy)

124 The WH never believes anything is a terrorist attack.

As Ace noted about Obama 's mean girls routine on
Israel and the WSJ noted "People are left wondering what side Obama is on?" Everybody should just stop wondering; It's clear.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 25, 2015 08:06 PM (DXzRD)

125 Well,
This explains the photo of the three heads of state locking arms like they did after the Charlie Hebdo attack.

It looked very odd to me at the time, since when do heads of state use plane accidents as photo opp?

My guess is that they had info before it was public (names, history, internet posts by pilot,...) and started the terrorism spin before it was official.

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at March 25, 2015 08:06 PM (LWu6U)

126 Follow-up to what Carol said:

"LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch)---Saudi Arabia's U.S. Ambassador Adel
al-Jubeir said late Wednesday that his nation and its regional allies
had launched a strike on Yemen to dislodge Houthi rebels there,
according to reports. Speaking in Washington, al-Jubeir said airstrikes
against the Houthi forces --- which Iran is widely believed to be
supporting --- began at 7 p.m. U.S. Eastern time with the goal of
protecting 'the legitimate government of Yemen,' the Associated Press
said. He said 10 nations were taking part in the operationm including
members of the Gulf Cooperation Council, reports said. "


So we're siding with Iran while Saudi Arabia and 10 allies are fighting Iran-supported rebels in Yemen.
WASTF

Posted by: Lizzy at March 25, 2015 08:06 PM (TLTHv)

127 More good news! The Hizbullah has now pwned American intel records in Yemen - http://tinyurl.com/pusknow

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 25, 2015 08:06 PM (AVEe1)

128 This would be an easy answer if he was a convert. They could just give his non-moslem name and say "It remains a mystery."

Posted by: Null at March 25, 2015 08:06 PM (xjpRj)

129 Sudden Auto-pilot programming Jihadi Syndrome...

Computer, please plot a glide path into that mountain...

Posted by: Jean Luc Picard at March 25, 2015 08:06 PM (LoIJo)

130 ThunderB,
Damn I got willowed on that last thread. Holds large glass with ice under USB port bourbon please.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman looking for my saddle at March 25, 2015 08:07 PM (A7LEa)

131 123 what was the name of the mechanic, and the possibility of that could go up too...

Posted by: JarvisW at March 25, 2015 08:07 PM (E7Iyp)

132 92
Now Bill O' Ego is on it's never live.

Posted by: Carol at March 25, 2015 08:01 PM (sj3Ax)


Gah, that guy is insufferable. And Chatsworth Osborne Jr. needs to make a navigable website that doesn't censor criticism of Fox. Malkin's Hot Air is pure squish, and Twitchy is a joke.


Jonah Goldberg needs to lose weight and have a show. Weasel Zippers needs to figure out what the hell is wrong. Zombie needs to be out there, not as six anonymous personae.

The right absolutely sucks at media.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at March 25, 2015 08:07 PM (yxw0r)

133 This would be an easy answer if he was a convert. They could just give his non-moslem name and say "It remains a mystery."

it would come out tho, the convert info

can't stop it anymore, they do try however

Posted by: UppityBlackOrchid at March 25, 2015 08:07 PM (mJUSR)

134 She's coming from Berlin through Heathrow to Charlotte, I'll be tracking the flights every minute.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 25, 2015 08:08 PM (2cS/G)

135 ...I'm guessing the pilot's name was Isaiah Yoder. He'd given up the Amish life for the English life and of course, became disenchanted...what else could it be?

Posted by: billygoat at March 25, 2015 08:08 PM (Mj3Lx)

136
Tomorrow we'll find out that the stick was pushed forward in a deep dive maneuver.

And tomorrow people will say yeah, he had a heart attack and fell on the control stick.

Come on!

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 08:08 PM (ko4zy)

137 119
Thats was the first tipoff this stunk out loud. No reason not to unless you're scared of something. One guess.

Posted by: jjshaka at March 25, 2015 08:08 PM (Xq+j4)

138 I think the co-pilot went to use the head.
I always thought there was a flaw in the way the door to the cockpit can't be opened from the outside.

Posted by: Noah Bawdy at March 25, 2015 08:08 PM (41+Ra)

139 Oh, and this blog I love needs to graduate from the 1990s.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at March 25, 2015 08:08 PM (yxw0r)

140 Heart attack or stroke is my bet. If it was an intentional crash, the pilot would have augured it in. If it was decompression, it would have affected the entire plane (the cockpit isn't separately pressurized).

Still: if we're really down to a "single point of failure" on a locked cockpit, that's going to be a SERIOUS lawsuit.

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at March 25, 2015 08:08 PM (Sflav)

141
Holy cats, just as I typed the above the idiot British boob on CNN just said it.

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 08:09 PM (ko4zy)

142 >>>They've done that for years. Friend of mine has a husband who is a commercial pilot. She said he is tested several times a year for emotional and mental health, level of stress, etc.
That doesn't mean someone can't give all the correct answers.

doesn't it seem pretty easy to guess the correct answers?


My life is a black hole of emptiness and I wish I could see a door into a better world. T/F ?

Posted by: ace at March 25, 2015 08:09 PM (PA7DS)

143 Re depressurization: The pilot might pass out, but should regain consciousness when the plane began defending. Besides, if the co-pilot is banging on the door, there is still enough air for him. For that Turkish flight a few years ago that depressurized, I remember the plane just kept flying until it ran out of fuel, no decent (different model though, tue A320 might have some auto decent feature)

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at March 25, 2015 08:09 PM (l4sBv)

144 The former air force guy was an aircraft mechanic. The one trying to join isis

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 08:09 PM (zOTsN)

145 Rebels in Yemen seize secret files about U.S. spy operations.

Link at nic.

Mission Accomplished, Barack Hussein Obama, Mission Accomplished.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 08:09 PM (h6Mpm)

146 Still, it is still possible that this was an accident.

One pilot says he has a headache, asks the other to fetch him some vodka aspirin.

After he leaves to get some, the pilot in the cockpit keels over from a massive stroke. Co-pilot can't get back in, plane wasn't on autopilot for some reason, it crashes.

Or it was terrorism. We don't know.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 25, 2015 08:09 PM (S7Zlw)

147 Yanno, when I finally admitted earlier this week that Obama was now worse than the PierceBuchanan double term, I'm now thinking I was too generous. For my culture I might have to go back to Aethelraed the Unready.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 25, 2015 08:09 PM (AVEe1)

148 Let me guess. The pilot's middle name was Hussein.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at March 25, 2015 08:10 PM (V70Uh)

149 "144 The former air force guy was an aircraft mechanic. The one trying to join isis
"

This a passanger?

Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 08:10 PM (upbPV)

150 138 I think the co-pilot went to use the head.
I always thought there was a flaw in the way the door to the cockpit can't be opened from the outside.
Posted by: Noah Bawdy at March 25, 2015 08:08 PM (41+Ra)


Solve one problem, cause another. They assumed a pilot would not harm his passengers. Shouldn't have done that.

Posted by: Iblis at March 25, 2015 08:10 PM (9221z)

151 In case no else has suggested it yet, it could be something as simple as a pilot heart attack or stroke.

But, yeah, I want to know the names of the pilots too.

Also, I want to know what the regulations are concerning the cockpit door.

Posted by: Piercello at March 25, 2015 08:10 PM (QJCCx)

152 This doesn't sound good.i don't know if it's better to hope for an accident or something purposeful, because it's terrible either way. But yes, you can't help but wonder about the names of the pilots. That will pretty much tell us a good part of what we need to know.

Sigh. Maybe I should step away and play the guitar for a while.

Posted by: Lea at March 25, 2015 08:11 PM (vmMMi)

153 He did more or less auger in

It was a deep dive. If he had a heart attack I don't think it would have had such consistent speed and angle of attack

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 08:11 PM (zOTsN)

154 >>>One pilot says he has a headache, asks the other to fetch him some vodka aspirin.

After he leaves to get some, the pilot in the cockpit keels over from a massive stroke. Co-pilot can't get back in, plane wasn't on autopilot for some reason, it crashes.


...

why would the plane have gone into a steep descent at that very moment? Would it not have remained on autopilot for a while?

Posted by: ace at March 25, 2015 08:11 PM (PA7DS)

155 look for blog posts or tweets by the pilot (co-pilot?) leaking out in the coming days.

I'm betting that the gov. (Spain, France, Germany) have evidence, and this early it would mean he announced it.

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at March 25, 2015 08:12 PM (LWu6U)

156 Officials are struggling to understand how an airplane that "was in perfect technical condition" with two experienced pilots "was involved in such a terrible accident," he said.
http://tinyurl.com/ogl4hu6

Hmm. Might I venture a theory?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 25, 2015 08:12 PM (8ZskC)

157 My life is a black hole of emptiness and I wish I could see a door into a better world. T/F ?

Posted by: ace at March 25, 2015 08:09 PM (PA7DS)


Oh no, it's more subtle than that.

"You're in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down... and see a tortoise. It's crawling toward you..."

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 08:12 PM (0NdlF)

158 As always there is good discussion here: http://www.pprune.org/

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 08:12 PM (gsfK5)

159 It's much better for us if this was a matter of locked door/ dead pilot though. We can fix that issue.

No PC considerations.

Banning Muslim pilots on the other hand...

Also, aside from the plane shot down by Russia that we all just sort of ignored, have any of the plane crashes this year NOT had a Muslim pilot?

Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 08:12 PM (upbPV)

160 Just heard on news regulations are, one out of the cockpit one in, there is never to be only one person in the cockpit alone for the reason something could happen and no one could get back in.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman looking for my saddle at March 25, 2015 08:12 PM (A7LEa)

161 all i know is this proves that we have to ban guns

Posted by: Your Liberal Cousin on FaceBook at March 25, 2015 08:12 PM (PA7DS)

162 Anybody remember how the media handled the Fort Hood Massacre?

Posted by: rc at March 25, 2015 08:13 PM (J4ZHs)

163 No former aircraft mechanic was arrested

But there are plenty of jihadis who have worked at airports

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 08:13 PM (zOTsN)

164 It was a deep dive. If he had a heart attack I don't think it would have had such consistent speed and angle of attack

Plane had a heart attack. Important thing - diversity!

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 08:13 PM (0NdlF)

165 >>>"You're in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down... and see a tortoise. It's crawling toward you..."

is this to test whether i'm a replicant, mr. Deckard, or a lesbian?

Posted by: ace at March 25, 2015 08:13 PM (PA7DS)

166 Oh no, it's more subtle than that.

"You're in a twisty maze of passages, all different. N / SW / E / D"

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 25, 2015 08:13 PM (AVEe1)

167 Benghazi wasn't terrorism either

At first

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 08:13 PM (zOTsN)

168 Depressurization is probably not the case if someone is outside the cockpit door banging on the door, unless the door has an airtight seal.




Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 08:14 PM (gsfK5)

169 What was the co-pilot's name? Who was he?

That's the only question necessary at this point.

Posted by: Feh at March 25, 2015 08:14 PM (g/zj9)

170 Pilot died. Not likely, because the plane would have remained at its autopilot altitude until it ran out of fuel.

Pilot committed suicide. Yep. Could be.

Jihidi pilot. Yep, could be. But shouldn't there have been an "allihu akbar" yelled out over the radio?

Still, I want to know the names. I'd bet the guy in the cockpit wasn't named Lars or Tony or Franz or something like that.

Posted by: Michael Haz at March 25, 2015 08:14 PM (APCKW)

171 So who's holding the name on the pilots-Germany? and why?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 25, 2015 08:14 PM (DXzRD)

172 Look, anything's possible. But that's like your engine falling out of your car on the highway.
Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 08:06 PM (ko4zy)


Well, almost all airliners do NOT fall out of the sky and/or fly into mountains, too.

But once in a while, a mountain does somehow manage to get in the way.

The failure to release the pilots' names is indeed highly suspicious but I'm personally not ready to leap onto the Sudden Jihad Syndrome train quite yet.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 08:14 PM (h6Mpm)

173 or the first pilot could have had a heart-attack or something.

Posted by: Sockpuppet at March 25, 2015 08:14 PM (7+T4e)

174 45 Another airliner full of passengers sacrificed to allah?

After Egyptair 990, muslims should not be permitted on flight crews. They're violent, uncivilized and unpredictable.

Unfortunately the are all too predictable.

Posted by: Noah Bawdy at March 25, 2015 08:14 PM (41+Ra)

175 Heart attack or stroke is my bet. If it was an intentional crash, the pilot would have augured it in.

Unless the plane had safeguards to prevent an unsafe rate of decent. It is European after all.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 25, 2015 08:15 PM (S7Zlw)

176 Is it normal protocol to have a pilot leave the cockpit without some other flight crew taking position while he's away? At least every time I can recall seeing the pilot or copilot go to use the can, somebody else goes in and waits.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 25, 2015 08:15 PM (sH832)

177 what does "augur in" mean?

Posted by: ace at March 25, 2015 08:15 PM (PA7DS)

178 I hope the French aren't saying the name of the co-pilot because they're busy as hell rounding up everyone connected with him and don't want to tip anyone off.

Hope springs eternal.

Posted by: Feh at March 25, 2015 08:15 PM (g/zj9)

179 Somebody linked this video not long ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMG6hHx8FXA

That plane was also turned into confetti on impact. The story of the investigation is fascinating. Definitely watch the whole thing. I started watching and it sucked me right in.

I'm not saying that anything like that happened here, though.

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 08:15 PM (sdi6R)

180 >>>"You're in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down... and see a tortoise. It's crawling toward you..."

is this to test whether i'm a replicant, mr. Deckard, or a lesbian?
Posted by: ace at March 25, 2015 08:13 PM (PA7DS)


Does it talk? Is it named Om? Are you named Brutha?

/T.Pratchett will be missed

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 08:16 PM (h6Mpm)

181 I fear for the poor peaceful Muslims and the backlash that Teabaggers are planning.... oh and the Joos too... you know they'll be in on it.

Posted by: Yip at March 25, 2015 08:16 PM (84SRe)

182 They were saying yesterday it took 8 minutes to hit the mountain once desent started.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman looking for my saddle at March 25, 2015 08:16 PM (A7LEa)

183 It happens...

Posted by: JFK Jr. at March 25, 2015 08:16 PM (LoIJo)

184 is this to test whether i'm a replicant, mr. Deckard, or a lesbian?
Posted by: ace at March 25, 2015 08:13 PM (PA7DS)


Drat it all to heck.

*mops tea off everything*

Posted by: alexthechick - I control the vertical at March 25, 2015 08:16 PM (IrByp)

185
Just heard on news regulations are, one out of the cockpit one in, there is never to be only one person in the cockpit alone for the reason something could happen and no one could get back in.
Posted by: Fourth Horseman



Two pilot crews are the norm in modern jets. So, unless they're using empty Pepsi bottles, that ain't happening.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 25, 2015 08:16 PM (kdS6q)

186 >>Benghazi wasn't terrorism either

It kinda was, though, because there were a bunch of embassy riots on 9/11 all over the ME, and even in London where the AQ flag was hoisted to the cheers of the crowd. It was on the news throughout the day.
Which is another reason why the video story was so immediately unbelievable.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 25, 2015 08:16 PM (TLTHv)

187 177 what does "augur in" mean?
Posted by: ace at March 25, 2015 08:15 PM (PA7DS)


A nosedive straight into the ground.

Different that a failed landing attempt, for example.

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 08:16 PM (sdi6R)

188 Part of me wants to post an Airplane clip from youtube, another part of me says "too soon." The too soon part is currently winning out. Poor passengers...

Posted by: LizLem at March 25, 2015 08:17 PM (yRwC8)

189 Look, we had nothing to do with next Tuesday's attack.

Posted by: CAIR at March 25, 2015 08:17 PM (KFdZd)

190 augur in technically means drill in in a screw like fashion, in aviation accidents it means nose in and bury itself

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 08:17 PM (gsfK5)

191 The right "sucks" as media b/c we are individuals; not army ants borged into the Left. We don't have, and probably wouldn't create a Journolist to keep our stories in line with the Ministry of Truth.

Take what you can when you can, be prepared to be misinformed, and to be able to respond honestly if you do get misinformed

Posted by: Grad School Fool at March 25, 2015 08:17 PM (A9KzJ)

192 Pilot's neighbors:

He was a nice guy, quiet, quoted the koran a bit....

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 08:17 PM (FsuaD)

193 I hope the French aren't saying the name of the co-pilot because they're busy as hell rounding up everyone connected with him and don't want to tip anyone off.

Tu es en une oubliette Francaise. Il n'y a pas moyen de sortir.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo continues the ADVENT theme at March 25, 2015 08:17 PM (AVEe1)

194 or the first pilot could have had a heart-attack or something.

With all the sausages those Germans eat, most are lucky to not succumb to clogged arteries in their 30's.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 25, 2015 08:17 PM (sH832)

195 DOesn't "auger in" specifically mean "to crash in a spiraling manner, as with a missing wing?"

Not just crash, in other words, but do so like an auger?

Posted by: Piercello at March 25, 2015 08:17 PM (QJCCx)

196
I just read the timeline.

The aircraft just reached cruising altitude and then a couple of minutes later began a rapid descent.

So let's assume the co-pilot, 30 minutes after takeoff and the plane at level flight and everything is in the green, decides this is a good time for a leak. He leaves the cockpit thinking everything is copacetic.

That's when the rapid descent begins. The moment he leaves the cockpit, we'll assume.

Think about. You want to ditch your plane. You have one brief window in which to do it while your copilot goes for a leak.

Heart attack, my ass. Broken windshield, my ass.

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 08:18 PM (ko4zy)

197 what does "augur in" mean?

Posted by: ace at March 25, 2015 08:15 PM


Crater the plane. Crash.

Posted by: otho at March 25, 2015 08:18 PM (tBSrv)

198
You're definitely a lesbian, Ace. Your tits are magnificent!

Posted by: Bruce J. at March 25, 2015 08:18 PM (iQIUe)

199 Describe in single words only the good things that come into your mind about your mother?

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 25, 2015 08:18 PM (rwI+c)

200 I want to know what they think they're preventing by not telling us the pilot was Muslim. What are the families going to go burn down a mosque? Please.

Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 08:18 PM (upbPV)

201 There were airfields within 30 miles of where the plane crashed.

My Spidey Sense is leaning "Aloha Salad Bar."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 08:19 PM (FsuaD)

202 An "augur" is a type of weasel.

Drill, I meant drill. An augur is a type of drill.

Thus, spiraling into something.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 25, 2015 08:19 PM (bLnSU)

203 186 and the EVE Online player that said the embassy was being cased for an attack that night..

Posted by: JarvisW at March 25, 2015 08:19 PM (E7Iyp)

204 "Unless the plane had safeguards to prevent an unsafe rate of decent. It is European after all"

Yeah, the A320 has automatic protections built in. It still allows pretty good maneuverability but tries to prevent stalling or breaking the aircraft. I would not be surprised if it was really speed limited on the descent rather than pitch or vertical speed limited.

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at March 25, 2015 08:19 PM (l4sBv)

205 Nope. Definitely not anything terror related.

Posted by: Jugs Psaki at March 25, 2015 08:19 PM (JO9+V)

206 there is only one reason we don't know the pilots names. It's not hard to figure that out. They would be the easiest to identify. Wanna bet those records were sealed as soon as that crash happened?

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 25, 2015 08:19 PM (ucDmr)

207 Where did that extra "u" come from?!?!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 25, 2015 08:19 PM (bLnSU)

208 Is it possible that the remaining pilot suffered a fatal heart attack while the other pilot was gone? The co-pilot may have been trying to smash down the door simply because he realized something was very wrong (plane descending at high rate of speed).

(I thought there were supposed to always be 2 pilots in any cockpit)

Let's not jump to any conclusions before we know more.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at March 25, 2015 08:19 PM (PZ6/M)

209 He was a nice guy, quiet, quoted the koran a bit....


Q: Do you think he did it?
A: Oh yeah, killing infidels was all he ever talked about.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 25, 2015 08:20 PM (rwI+c)

210 The fact that the White House pretty quickly said, "No terrorist event" sealed it for me.

Terrorist.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 08:20 PM (FsuaD)

211 This nosed and and buried itself


I was on an accident review board. Guy died during an exercise. Blacked out and went into the mountains. We found almost nothing. He could have fit in a Manila envelope

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 08:20 PM (zOTsN)

212 What's the German translation for Ho Lee Fook?

Posted by: Mr. Natural at March 25, 2015 08:20 PM (Gqao1)

213 Where did that extra "u" come from?!?!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 25, 2015 08:19 PM (bLnSU)


Canada.

Posted by: alexthechick - I control the vertical at March 25, 2015 08:20 PM (IrByp)

214
The twitterverse is already claiming failure to release name of pilot is suspicious.

Posted by: Bruce J. at March 25, 2015 08:20 PM (iQIUe)

215 Crash Rescue guys have keys for the cockpit door locks flight crews do not. Thete is no way to open the cockpit door from the outside inflight.

However the pilots can pull pins on the hinges inside the cockpit and knock the door out In an emergency.

the pilot was eithet unable or unwilling to open the door.

As noted, you are 1 wee break + 1 heart attack away from death...

Posted by: OG CELTIC-AMERICAN at March 25, 2015 08:20 PM (vssei)

216 The White House saying it wasn't a terrorist act makes me think it was.

Posted by: eleven at March 25, 2015 08:20 PM (MDgS8)

217
Auger not augur.

Auger as in drill.

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 08:20 PM (ko4zy)

218
Wasn't there some airport alert in Britain or Europe last week that had info some kind of attack was imminent.

Nevertheless, I don't know if a 45 degree down 8 minute trajectory fits with the windscreen theory.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 25, 2015 08:20 PM (ODxAs)

219 The fact that the White House pretty quickly said, "No terrorist event" sealed it for me.

Terrorist.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 08:20 PM (FsuaD)


This is, sad to say, actually a pretty convincing argument.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 08:20 PM (h6Mpm)

220 why would the plane have gone into a steep descent at that very moment? Would it not have remained on autopilot for a while?

From what I understand, it wasn't an especially steep dive. Something like 4,000 ft a minute IIRC.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 25, 2015 08:21 PM (S7Zlw)

221 Is this to test whether I'm a replicant, Mr. Deckard, or a lesbian?
If you pan a movie costarring Alison Brie, you're not a lesbian.

Posted by: that 'my name is larry' guy at March 25, 2015 08:21 PM (kivUY)

222 Former pilot on CNN now saying slumping onto the controls would not end up with the plane being controlled it would destabilize the plane. So he's now leaning towards nefarious reasons. So of course Anderson cooper now has to cut away to commercial.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman looking for my saddle at March 25, 2015 08:21 PM (A7LEa)

223 The names are out there. People know, and they talk,. If they are not printed in papers, or made public it is because the people making phone calls for information (reporters) are hiding something.

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at March 25, 2015 08:21 PM (LWu6U)

224 192
Reporter "Did he ever mention Killing Buckwheat?"

"Oh yes! Thats ALL he talked about!!"

Posted by: JarvisW at March 25, 2015 08:21 PM (E7Iyp)

225 "You're in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down... and see a tortoise. It's crawling toward you..."

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 08:12 PM (0NdlF)
---
D'uh! Obviously I prepare a makeshift altar and sacrifice the tortoise to the God of Doom, Misery and Death.

Posted by: Elize Nayden, Prophetess of Delicious Doom at March 25, 2015 08:21 PM (fK/2i)

226 I want to know what they think they're preventing by not telling us the pilot was Muslim. What are the families going to go burn down a mosque? Please.
Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 08:18 PM (upbPV)




well, they are europeans, the home of modern anti semitisism; isalamic coutries are more 5th century. eventually europe's veneer of acceptance and civility will wearoff and everyone will see what is beneath.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 08:21 PM (gsfK5)

227 Apparently, the co-pilot had the fish.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at March 25, 2015 08:21 PM (ppaKI)

228 For my culture I might have to go back to Aethelraed the Unready.

When reading the entries in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle for Aethelraed's reign the despair is palpable, and easy to empathize with these days. I doubt that Aethelraed was secretly sympathetic to the Vikings or anything but incompetent/ill-advised - I can't be so certain about King Barky.

Posted by: Grey Fox at March 25, 2015 08:21 PM (FAV2W)

229 "Two pilot crews are the norm in modern jets. So, unless they're using empty Pepsi bottles, that ain't happening"

Flight attendants are part of the flight crew too.

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at March 25, 2015 08:21 PM (l4sBv)

230 I have heard the cockpit windshield breaking rumors. WTF the plane is scattered across a mountain. There is no communication from the cockpit. Who pulled this theory from their ass?

Posted by: Robinson at March 25, 2015 08:22 PM (W2Cji)

231 160 Just heard on news regulations are, one out of the cockpit one in, there is never to be only one person in the cockpit alone for the reason something could happen and no one could get back in.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman looking for my saddle at March 25, 2015 08:12 PM (A7LEa)



I thought most modern jetliners only have two crew members in the cockpit. They don't have flight engineers or radio operators any more. What if one of them needs to go take a leak?

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 08:22 PM (sdi6R)

232 Heart attack, my ass. Broken windshield, my ass.

That's right when they always go to take a break too - or take a nap - when it's total autopilot. It seems a bit odd though that the crazy guy would just set it for a landing descent instead of pushing the yoke in.

Wouldn't the pilot get some help if he thought he was really locked out and the plane was in a slow descent? I can't believe that about 10 big hefty Germans couldn't push that door in after a couple of minutes.

This still sounds a bit weird.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 25, 2015 08:22 PM (sH832)

233 >>is this to test whether i'm a replicant, mr. Deckard, or a lesbian


Either way, something smells fishy.

Posted by: Bright Side at March 25, 2015 08:22 PM (SRUk5)

234 >>The fact that the White House pretty quickly said, "No terrorist event" sealed it for me.
Terrorist.

Yeah, they're usually all "We're not going to speculate while they're still investigating..."

Posted by: Lizzy at March 25, 2015 08:22 PM (TLTHv)

235 At this point in a sane "west" all muslims in any positions of responsibility over envelope licker be shown the door.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 25, 2015 08:23 PM (FMbng)

236 Did the pilot have the chicken or the fish?

Posted by: Garrett at March 25, 2015 08:23 PM (SRUk5)

237 anderson cooper panel guest talking about stewardress coming in when a pilot goes out to the bathroom.

so it could have been the stewardress.

Either way, there has to be a murder in that cockpit first.

Posted by: ace at March 25, 2015 08:23 PM (PA7DS)

238 eventually europe's veneer of acceptance and civility will wearoff and everyone will see what is beneath.

I've said before that I'm not looking forward to this day.

When the Spaniards were de-Musliming their country, they didn't exactly say - oh wait, this bunch who also isn't buying bacon on Friday, they're just Jews, they're okay.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 25, 2015 08:23 PM (AVEe1)

239 Two codes, one lets you in, the other alerts the other pilot to a takeover attempt. I mean, it isn't like hijackers can't already take the cabin crew hostage and kill them in an effort to compel the pilots to unlock the door.

Jumping ahead, if this is the Lutherans, could it be a plan to get airlines to weaken the nobody can get in the cockpit from the outside rule?

Posted by: Johnv2 at March 25, 2015 08:23 PM (1Eqcp)

240
Canada.

Posted by: alexthechick - I control the vertical at March 25, 2015 08:20 PM (IrByp)

Good call. Have a Timbit.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 25, 2015 08:23 PM (bLnSU)

241 236 It was, the Salmon Moose

Posted by: Death at March 25, 2015 08:24 PM (E7Iyp)

242 I hope the German authorities will investigate the obvious Tea Party/White Extremist connection. Obama and the DOJ stand ready to assist.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 25, 2015 08:24 PM (XO6WW)

243 Why would a pilot or copilot have to head out of the sealed cockpit area only 30 minutes after departure? That does not make sense unless one had some gastrointestinal or urinary issues.

Posted by: Alaska Paul at March 25, 2015 08:24 PM (Hc+rA)

244 Hollowpoint that is a very steep descent for a commercial aircraft. You do not know what you are talking about.

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 08:24 PM (zOTsN)

245 From the NYT comments, re the second theory
Gr Zurich 3 hours ago
A few years ago on a flight from Zürich to Vienna, we suddenly went into a controlled descent. It was a very tense few minutes in that cabin; when we finally leveled off again, the captain told us that the outermost window layer of the cockpit had broken. They had to get to a lower altitude quickly, so the cabin pressure would not cause the next window layer (apparently there are three) to break. We were told that this is not uncommon."

Posted by: b at March 25, 2015 08:24 PM (4HAmR)

246 "I have heard the cockpit windshield breaking rumors. WTF the plane is scattered across a mountain. There is no communication from the cockpit. Who pulled this theory from their ass?"

Yeah, that doesn't exactly square with clearly hearing the other pilot banging on the door the entire time...I would think wind noise would have been pretty evident on the CVR...in fact, at that speed, wind-noise is probably all that would have been heard on the CVR.

Posted by: rc at March 25, 2015 08:25 PM (J4ZHs)

247
200 I want to know what they think they're preventing by not telling us the pilot was Muslim. What are the families going to go burn down a mosque? Please.



We may see that day come.

Africa's got a head start:
http://tinyurl.com/kv8ztue

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 08:25 PM (0NdlF)

248 Or unless the pilot told him to check on something outside the cockpit

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 08:25 PM (zOTsN)

249 I am going to be catching all hell when the President realizes that his pilot is not only a Muslim, but a member of ISIS.

Good times.

Posted by: Barack Obama Undershorts at March 25, 2015 08:25 PM (53CCM)

250 so it could have been the stewardress.

Either way, there has to be a murder in that cockpit first.

Posted by: ace at March 25, 2015 08:23 PM (PA7DS)
---
Or sex.

Posted by: Elize Nayden, Prophetess of Delicious Doom at March 25, 2015 08:25 PM (fK/2i)

251 Commerical pilots on the forum board referenced earlier here are saying that pilots have a way of getting into a locked cockpit door that are company confidential techniques. That the only way one could not get into the cockpit is if the pilot on the other side of the door has disabled that technique.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 25, 2015 08:25 PM (PfWwQ)

252 220
From what I understand, it wasn't an especially steep dive. Something like 4,000 ft a minute IIRC.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 25, 2015 08:21 PM (S7Zlw)/i]


And like I said upthread, I saw a graphic yesterday that showed the final speed at impact as just under 400 knots. That's not that fast; not even cruising speed for a plane like this. A power dive into the ground would likely be a lot faster than that, and might even be enough to tear off the wings on the way down.

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 08:25 PM (sdi6R)

253
I'm certainly no expert but consider the ATTITUDE of the aircraft when it's in a steep dive.

Very difficult to even stand and walk down the aisle during a steep descent, so imagine how hard it would be to take action and try to use brute force to break the door.

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 08:25 PM (ko4zy)

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 08:25 PM (sdi6R)

255 Look, when the pilot kept posting "death to all infidels" on his Facebook page, that what just for internal consumption amongst his family and friends. That needn't concern us.

Posted by: Jen Psaki at March 25, 2015 08:25 PM (nFdGS)

256 In an airbus, with the controls being a joystick on the side, the slump onto the controls is probably less likely than over a conventional yoke.



Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 08:26 PM (gsfK5)

257 The fact that the White House pretty quickly said, "No terrorist event" sealed it for me.

They did?

I guess that means that Captain Mohammed was in constant communication with the WH for those final 8 minutes then, and made sure that they saw the video he sent them last week.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 25, 2015 08:26 PM (sH832)

258 Go away for real life and I get quoted? Not read the 200+ comments yet. But anyway here goes.

Here is the discussion on airliners.net where the service life of an Airbus A320 is discussed -

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/234428/

Basically the designed service life of an A320 is 60,000 flight hours and or 48,000 flights.

Germanwings A320 D-AIPX had, according to Airbus in their press release, 58,300 flight hours and 46,700 flights since delivery in 1991.

http://www.airlinereporter.com/2015/03/germanwings-flight-9525-crashes-france/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 08:26 PM (VpkjW)

259 A steady 3000 fpm is not a "dive".

Posted by: come on at March 25, 2015 08:26 PM (olRSa)

260 If you're the praying type the Tulsa area has been hit by a tornado.



Scanner link: http://tinyurl.com/npo4bn8\


News link: http://tinyurl.com/pckcvrn

Posted by: Country Singer at March 25, 2015 08:26 PM (nL0sw)

261 Those Airbus autopilots do some weird shit. Like if the pilot has a heart attack and falls into the controls it will disconnect.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 25, 2015 08:26 PM (zauWW)

262 yeah okay now on AC360 they're saying this wasn't such a steep dive as i thought, as "come on' is saying too

Posted by: ace at March 25, 2015 08:27 PM (PA7DS)

263 I feel like the martyred saints in Revelations : "How long, O Lord?"

Posted by: jmel at March 25, 2015 08:27 PM (fObGk)

264 Just got home. So do we know the name of the pilot? Assuming he did not have a heart attack or something such then I guess we can assume foul play?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 08:27 PM (/tNwW)

265 >>Or unless the pilot told him to check on something outside the cockpit

"I tells ya, there's something on the damned wing!"

Posted by: Citizen Cake at March 25, 2015 08:27 PM (ppaKI)

266 Pilot: *yawns* *stretches*

Pilot to co-pilot: Why don't you take a break and hit the head and have a coffee? We'll be in Dusseldorf in a hour.

Co-pilot: Okay. Sounds good.

Co-pilot, later: *pounds on door* WTF?????

*boom*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 08:27 PM (FsuaD)

267 The A320 as a model had its first flight in 1987. I'd be surprised if a model that recent had no sensor for cabin pressure in the cockpit that would be recorded if it changed by any significant amount. If the pilot was disable while the other pilot was trying to get back in the cockpit that is plenty of time for such to be written tot he flight recorder, along with other clues.

If human malfeasance is suspected, they want to cross and dot everywhere appropriate (Europe, so a lot) before going on the record with that.

Posted by: Epobirs at March 25, 2015 08:27 PM (IdCqF)

268 "From what I understand, it wasn't an especially steep dive. Something like 4,000 ft a minute IIRC"

Again, on an Airbus, even if you push the control stick all the way forward, the plane will limit the speed of the plane. And forget about the pilot slumping onto the control column: An A320 literally has a joystick (sidestick) next to the pilots hand, not in front of him and NOT between his legs. It ain't happening.

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at March 25, 2015 08:27 PM (l4sBv)

269 Good call. Have a Timbit.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 25, 2015 08:23 PM (bLnSU)



Yay!

*noms happily*

Posted by: alexthechick - I control the vertical at March 25, 2015 08:27 PM (IrByp)

270 Also, pilots are saying that the CNN expert is full of it. Flight attendants DO NOT enter the cockpit if one pilot goes out.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 25, 2015 08:28 PM (PfWwQ)

271 I still consider the situation too lacking in information for me to draw a conclusion, but the coincidences seem to be mounting for the "non-terror" hypotheses.

Also, to paraquote Yes, Minister, "Never believe anything until it's been officially denied."

I don't know why so many officials are so keen to jump to conclusions, all over. You see that in police cases, too. I mean, why not, we're investigating and we haven't drawn that conclusion yet?

It's like bureaucrats are forgetting how to bureaucrat. Next thing you know some agency won't spend its whole budget, that's a sign of the apocalypse right there.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 25, 2015 08:28 PM (bLnSU)

272 What muzzie terrorist would have the self control to not scream "Aloha Snackbar" right before impact? Very damned few of them.

Posted by: RD Walker at March 25, 2015 08:28 PM (CeRRg)

273
A constant, stable 26 Degree descent.

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 08:28 PM (ko4zy)

274 >>Either way, there has to be a murder in that cockpit first.


Mrs Brady. On the flight deck. With the Tikki Statue.

Posted by: Garrett at March 25, 2015 08:29 PM (SRUk5)

275 Stew Crew do not go in the cockpit when one of the Flight Crew is out, ever. Verbotten.

Posted by: OG CELTIC-AMERICAN at March 25, 2015 08:29 PM (vssei)

276 Assuming there are ways to get in the cockpit

And these were disabled

Murder

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 08:29 PM (zOTsN)

277 Maybe the Rapture happened and the only one that passed muster was the guy flying this plane?

Posted by: Genghis Cohen at March 25, 2015 08:29 PM (fLKzW)

278 82
>>> Why do we know where all the passengers are from and not
one single thing about the pilots. The crew on that flight should be
easy to indentify.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 25, 2015 07:55 PM (ucDmr)



Yes. This speaks volumes. If both pilots had names that did not
reveal their ethnicity, they would have released them immediately to
keep people from going all Muslim backlash.

Posted by: L, Elle at March 25, 2015 08:00 PM (2x3L+)
If these pilots have anything to do with Islam or the Middle East it's going to totally blow a hole in CNN's schedule for the next quarter. You know CNN already cleared the decks of anything and everything to be around the clock coverage of this crash. If it turns out that it could possibly be associated to a terrorist they'll cut the feed mid sentence.

Posted by: allenlou at March 25, 2015 08:29 PM (CF25Q)

279 I think we know why they havedelayed releasing the names of the pilots.

Posted by: Brian at March 25, 2015 08:29 PM (Hd5n8)

280 So this makes me question the US policy of allowing pilots to carry guns.

I mean, if one does go nuts, he can now easily take out anyone who is trying to stop him.

What if a muslim pilot wants to carry on the flight deck? would you fly in that plane?

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at March 25, 2015 08:29 PM (LWu6U)

281 You know, if they haven't released the names of the flight crew by tomorrow morning? Well, you know.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 25, 2015 08:30 PM (sH832)

282 I've said before that I'm not looking forward to this day.

When the Spaniards were de-Musliming their country, they didn't exactly say - oh wait, this bunch who also isn't buying bacon on Friday, they're just Jews, they're okay.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 25, 2015 08:23 PM (AVEe1)




well, I do not want to see this happen but it is not possible to have an industrial extermination spanning from stalingrad to rome with a handful of nazis, you need everyone to get involved and really pitch in.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 08:30 PM (gsfK5)

283 yankeefifth beat me to the pprune link - it's good slogging if you are willing to just wade through page after page of usually informed speculation

Posted by: rhomboid at March 25, 2015 08:30 PM (afQnV)

284
26 degrees, my fiends. That's steep.

And it was a stable, constant descent.

Okay, this is the time when you say, yeah, he was passed out and perfectly still on the control stick.

BUT WHY WAS AUTOPILOT CANCELED??

Did he accidentally cancel autopilot too during his heart attack? Come on.

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 08:31 PM (ko4zy)

285 There were a couple of Iranians as passengers. And Joos.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 08:31 PM (FsuaD)

286 Maybe the Rapture happened and the only one that passed muster was the guy flying this plane?

The guy that got locked out looked like Nick Cage.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 25, 2015 08:31 PM (sH832)

287 >>>I'm bettin' that pilot was an atheist.


Posted by: Phil Robertson<<<

And he was wearing his manhood on his sleeve.

Posted by: Fritz at March 25, 2015 08:31 PM (ty633)

288 is a steady 26 degree dive a good way to crash the plane? Are their advantages to this? Would a steeper dive be easier?

Posted by: ace at March 25, 2015 08:31 PM (PA7DS)

289 A constant, stable 26 Degree descent.
Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 08:28 PM (ko4zy)


This is not congruent with an eight minute descent, which somebody else cited earlier.

Both can not be true.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 08:31 PM (h6Mpm)

290 Lot of Turks in Germany. Yes, it'd be interesting to know his name.
Too many coincidences otherwise. There just happened to be an equipment failure at the time the copilot left that just happened to disable the pilot? I call (Istan)bullshit.

Posted by: Dawkins Dynasty at March 25, 2015 08:31 PM (cIoI4)

291 FenelonSpouse just said, "Well, if the Obama administration immediately said "This is not terrorism" chances are way up that indeed that's what it was.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 25, 2015 08:31 PM (DXzRD)

292 Was watching an episode or some national geographic show years ago - seconds before disaster or airplane crash or some shit like that. On a British Airways flight (pretty sure it was BA) a windshield busted out and sucked the friggin pilot right out the window. He was strapped in or got caught on something so he actually made it all the way to wherever they landed and I think he actually even survived... long story short, when they did the investigation, the maintenance guy had used the wrong bolts to put the windshield back in. Not only did he use the wrong bolt though - he even went and looked up the right bolts, decided they weren't it, drove to another freaking site to retrieve the wrong bolts, drove back, and installed them.

Good times. If that windshield failed, that co-pilot could've not even been in the cabin.

Posted by: flashoverride at March 25, 2015 08:32 PM (NiwZ6)

293 Hollowpoint that is a very steep descent for a commercial aircraft. You do not know what you are talking about.

A bit steeper than normal, but not by much. 3,000 ft per minute isn't particularly unusual.

Look it up yourself, pumpkin.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 25, 2015 08:32 PM (S7Zlw)

294 "The Hizbullah has now pwned American intel records in Yemen"

There's no excuse for all those records not to have already been destroyed a month ago, when it was clear the situation in Yemen was unrecoverably destabilized.

As with leaving behind the huge caches of American-purchased arms, leaving behind classified intelligence records was a deliberate gift from the Obama administration to America's adversaries.

It's also a colossal disincentive to anyone else to ever again cooperate with recruitment efforts by U.S. intelligence officers, because prospective assets will have seen what happens to people who work covertly with the USA: covers blown followed by horrible consequences.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 25, 2015 08:32 PM (noWW6)

295 A racist cop at the controls...

Posted by: doucheferguson at March 25, 2015 08:32 PM (uQnQp)

296 Maybe the Rapture happened and the only one that passed muster was the guy flying this plane?

Crap.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 08:33 PM (0NdlF)

297 The commenter J.J. at neoneocon, who I believe is a retired airline pilot, said last night that a 3500-4000 feet per minute descent is not excessive.

http://neoneocon.com/2015/03/24/air-crash-in-the-alps/#comment-881415

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 08:33 PM (sdi6R)

298 Did he accidentally cancel autopilot too during his heart attack? Come on.

No, in fact there's a lot more to it than that in an Airbus from what I understand. You've got to constantly be telling the plane what not to do if you want to deviate, and I doubt it's the flick of a switch.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 25, 2015 08:33 PM (sH832)

299
The worst part is we now know that the passengers knew for 8 minutes what was happening to them, terrorist or failure or suicide notwithstanding.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 25, 2015 08:33 PM (ODxAs)

300 >>What muzzie terrorist would have the self control to not scream "Aloha Snackbar" right before impact?

Considering we don't yet know the pilot's name, that type of info about the pilot's last words could have been withheld from the public, too, if it had been uttered right before the crash.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 25, 2015 08:34 PM (TLTHv)

301 288
is a steady 26 degree dive a good way to crash the plane? Are their advantages to this? Would a steeper dive be easier?





Posted by: ace at March 25, 2015 08:31 PM (PA7DS)


It looked pretty damned good from what we've seen. Bodies in small pieces, the black boxes (one found) beaten up. Thankfully, those on board didn't know what hit them.

Reminds me of the plane taken down over PA on 9/11. They drove that thing nose-down into the ground. Nothing left.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 08:34 PM (FsuaD)

302 I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict the Pilot's name is not hymie or Y'honatan

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 08:34 PM (/tNwW)

303 I think it was an indonesian guy that suicided and homicided by flying a silkair plane into such a steep angle that it went supesonic and his wings came off in flight.

reporters are stupid, many have been reporting the "steep dive" since yesterday.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 08:34 PM (gsfK5)

304
I'll bet my sweet lilly ass that 26 degrees is the steepest descent that the A320's system will allow at full speed or before the computer tries to correct it.

Another unfortunate coincidence, I suppose?

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 08:34 PM (ko4zy)

305 I had to put CNN on to see live news.

Posted by: Carol at March 25, 2015 08:34 PM (sj3Ax)

306

They'll also want to protect the pilot's names because they have family, I assume.

But, in Europe, they all seem to know who the terrorists are, and what they are doing, and just allow them to go about their terrorist days. Even if it meant taking pilot lessons.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 25, 2015 08:34 PM (IXrOn)

307 As the worst flier in the world, any airplane crash for any reason, just makes me sick. Prayers for all the departed.
We were meant to stay on the ground. Or maybe to take stately ships from sea to sea...
I'm never inclined to think "terrorism" when there's a disaster in the air. You can quote safety stats all day long but my loathing of air travel always brings the first conclusion: accident, mechanical/pilot/controller combo error.
And that said, the failure to name the pilots? Just another instance of media corruption. Whatever this turns out to have been, it's journalistic malpractice that names of passengers are known but names of crew...
Just another day.

Posted by: LadyS at March 25, 2015 08:34 PM (xYNhJ)

308 A DailyMail article has released first names of some of the German students who perished, several photos of another named female student, and a final group photo from Barcelona featuring the students' blurred-out faces, yet not a single word was typed which would name the pilots. Nope, nothin to see here....

Posted by: KatDance at March 25, 2015 08:35 PM (/JWgM)

309 Bill O is still in Fox!

Posted by: Carol at March 25, 2015 08:35 PM (sj3Ax)

310 If windscreen gave way the copilot would not have knocked lightly. Nope, he was surprised that it did not open and did not want to alarm the passengers. Then....

Posted by: Brian at March 25, 2015 08:35 PM (Hd5n8)

311 If the glass failed at altidude there would be only seconds for the copilot....there would be no time for knock knock knock they would be unconscious in 10 20 seconds

Posted by: E.T. at March 25, 2015 08:35 PM (K+RBk)

312 >>>The worst part is we now know that the passengers knew for 8 minutes what was happening to them, terrorist or failure or suicide notwithstanding.

but 8 minutes is such a long time! That's why I'm starting to doubt the Murder theory.

If I was going to kill 149 people, I would not give them 8 minutes to figure that out.

Think about what desperate, highly motivated people can do with 8 minutes.

Posted by: ace at March 25, 2015 08:35 PM (PA7DS)

313 Bill O is still in Fox!
Posted by: Carol at March 25, 2015 08:35 PM (sj3Ax)


The fox has to be annoyed at this point.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 08:35 PM (h6Mpm)

314 Been There, Done That

Posted by: Egypt Air at March 25, 2015 08:35 PM (/tNwW)

315 no solution for suicidal pilots other than keeping them out of planes.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 08:36 PM (gsfK5)

316
If I was going to kill 149 people, I would not give them 8 minutes to figure that out.



Think about what desperate, highly motivated people can do with 8 minutes.





Posted by: ace at March 25, 2015 08:35 PM (PA7DS)


With a secure, locked cabin door?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 08:36 PM (FsuaD)

317 Plastic Muhammed on the dashboard freaked the pilot out.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 25, 2015 08:36 PM (l3vZN)

318 A racist cop at the controls...>>>

So there was a dog on the mountain side?

Posted by: Robinson at March 25, 2015 08:36 PM (W2Cji)

319 The guy that got locked out looked like Nick Cage.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 25, 2015 08:31 PM (sH832)
*********
He looks like Tomato Salad now.

Posted by: Genghis Cohen at March 25, 2015 08:36 PM (fLKzW)

320 The radar profile was one of a rapid, controlled, descent - like what you would do if you lost cabin pressure, and that is why the windshield was considered likely by many until now.

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at March 25, 2015 08:36 PM (LWu6U)

321 "288 is a steady 26 degree dive a good way to crash the plane? Are their advantages to this? Would a steeper dive be easier?

Posted by: ace at March 25, 2015 08:31 PM (PA7DS"

Modern planes really don't want to be flown into the ground http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_envelope_protection

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz knows how to end war at March 25, 2015 08:36 PM (l4sBv)

322 "288 is a steady 26 degree dive a good way to crash the plane? Are their advantages to this? Would a steeper dive be easier?

Posted by: ace at March 25, 2015 08:31 PM (PA7DS"

Modern planes really don't want to be flown into the ground http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_envelope_protection

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz knows how to end war at March 25, 2015 08:36 PM (l4sBv)

323 Bill O is still in Fox!
Posted by: Carol at March 25, 2015 08:35 PM (sj3Ax)

It must be taped because they almost never break in with breaking news unless they totally cut away with O'Assly

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 08:36 PM (/tNwW)

324
With a secure, locked cabin door?


Exactly. You're not getting in that door.

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 08:37 PM (ko4zy)

325
Thankfully, those on board didn't know what hit them.
Posted by: Jane D'oh




One imagines seeing the pilot weeping and banging on the locked cockpit door might had led the passengers to believe something was amiss....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 25, 2015 08:37 PM (kdS6q)

326 The worst part is we now know that the passengers knew for 8 minutes what was happening to them, terrorist or failure or suicide notwithstanding.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 25, 2015 08:33 PM (ODxAs)


A bunch of schoolkids too. Breaks my heart.

I really hope they were knocked unconscious first.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 25, 2015 08:37 PM (IXrOn)

327 307
We were meant to stay on the ground. Or maybe to take stately ships from sea to sea...

Posted by: LadyS at March 25, 2015 08:34 PM (xYNhJ)



What she said.

Posted by: John Jacob Astor at March 25, 2015 08:37 PM (sdi6R)

328 >>There's no excuse for all those records not to have already been
destroyed a month ago, when it was clear the situation in Yemen was
unrecoverably destabilized.


Huh, for some reason that reminded me of this from Judicial Watch a while back (1/30/2013):

"The Obama administration is covertly recruiting Muslims to work at
the State Department as Foreign Service officers representing the United
States in one of 265 American embassies, consulates and diplomatic
missions worldwide.
It appears to be part of the administration's Muslim outreach effort, which includes a variety of controversial moves..."



https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2013/01/ state-dept-recruits-muslim-foreign-service-officers-at-jihadist-conf/

Posted by: Lizzy at March 25, 2015 08:37 PM (TLTHv)

329 One imagines seeing the pilot weeping and banging on the locked cockpit door might had led the passengers to believe something was amiss....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 25, 2015 08:37 PM (kdS6q)

What do you mean?

Posted by: LIV VOTER at March 25, 2015 08:38 PM (/tNwW)

330 SO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 08:38 PM (/tNwW)

331 People are now asking, as they should: What was this pilot's name?

****

Perhaps I should be ashamed to admit it but, frankly, that was one of the first questions to cross my mind when they announced that the plane essentially descended directly into a mountain.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 25, 2015 08:39 PM (DmNpO)

332 With a secure, locked cabin door?

Plus, a dedicated suicidal whackjob would have done some homework to MacGuyver that door shut for an extra crucial however-many minutes.

Maybe sneak some ex-lax into his co-pilot's coffee beforehand too.

It wouldn't take a criminal mastermind to clear the schedule for just eight minutes.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 25, 2015 08:39 PM (AVEe1)

333 I'd like to say that I hate twitchy. Not the concept but the execution of it. It's worse than even Twitter itself. I just looked at the article about the NYT playing concern for how Bergdahl might view his service and the majority of the article is just podhertz's tweet or people retweeting his tweet.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 25, 2015 08:39 PM (z/Ubi)

334 SO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 08:38 PM (/tNwW)



Workplace accident. Nothing to see here, move along.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 08:39 PM (0NdlF)

335 filbert,
Fox News is half personalities, most Bill O'Ego.

Posted by: Carol at March 25, 2015 08:40 PM (sj3Ax)

336 Saudia Barbaria the U.S. and nine other countries are bombing Yemen. RT

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 08:40 PM (b4JMJ)

337 The passengers endured the worst 8 minutes of their lives. I can't imagine.

Praying their deaths were so instantaneous they weren't even aware.

The pilot, if he was a jihadi, on the other hand....

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 08:40 PM (FsuaD)

338 Lets suppose the pilot in the locked cockpit was named Mahmoud. That wouldn't predispose us to conclude anything but that his name was Mahmoud.

Posted by: Marie Harf at March 25, 2015 08:40 PM (Moh0M)

339 WTF. Turn on CNN and it's crying girls talking about a victim...no actual news. Turn of FOX and it's O'Reilly who is just not worth watching. News sucks, anymore.

Posted by: Thea at March 25, 2015 08:40 PM (Ql2lm)

340 OT:

Mood lightener:

"I like specific angles of spinal curvature, and I can not lie . . ."

SCIENCE!!! of the female posterior. Link at nic.

Via Insty.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 08:40 PM (h6Mpm)

341 So, if the cockpit door can only be opened from the inside, what happens when the door is closed after the last of the flight crew leaves the plane for the day?

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 25, 2015 08:40 PM (JO9+V)

342 so if someone, such as an accomplice, created a disturbance in the cabin requiring the attention of one pilot, leaving the other pilot in the cockpit alone, well.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 08:40 PM (gsfK5)

343 210 The fact that the White House pretty quickly said, "No terrorist event" sealed it for me.

Terrorist.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 08:20 PM (FsuaD)


You forget "terrorist" only applies to Christians. This was a spontaneous outbreak of the religion of peace.

Posted by: Iblis at March 25, 2015 08:40 PM (9221z)

344 >>Maybe sneak some ex-lax into his co-pilot's coffee beforehand too.

Dumb and Dumber claims yet more lives. Sue Jim Carrey.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at March 25, 2015 08:41 PM (ppaKI)

345 What are the odds a windscreen blew out on a modern airliner...I don`t think so!

Posted by: tbd at March 25, 2015 08:41 PM (uQnQp)

346
Nobody, even the copilot, probably didn't even know what was going on for the first 2 minutes.

The copilot would be the first to get wise to the situation because he knows for certain they should be at level flight at this time.

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 08:41 PM (ko4zy)

347 SO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 08:38 PM (/tNwW)


Workplace accident. Nothing to see here, move along.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 08:39 PM (0NdlF)

SO is sock off. No other meaning should be inferred from that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 08:42 PM (/tNwW)

348 Was he Lutheran?

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 08:42 PM (b4JMJ)

349
It wasn't Hans was it?
Posted by: EC at March 25, 2015 07:51 PM (doBIb)

Gunther Von Schmidt?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 25, 2015 08:42 PM (YOPoU)

350 Fox News is half personalities, most Bill O'Ego.
Posted by: Carol at March 25, 2015 08:40 PM (sj3Ax)


Don't watch Fox News any more, personally. Well, I'll occasionally watch Cavuto on FNC or FBN, 'cause he seems to have the right attitude towards pretty much everything, most of the time.

But the rest . . . meh. Haven't ever watched RedEye for a long time.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 08:42 PM (h6Mpm)

351 Oh gawd, Im seeing comments on NBC about "why don't they have cameras in the cockpit, so they can be monitored during flight?"....yeah and do what!?

Posted by: KWDreaming at March 25, 2015 08:42 PM (Y00o2)

352 if windscreen blew out then the plane would have depressurized and no one would have been banging on the door.



Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 08:42 PM (gsfK5)

353 But the rest . . . meh. Haven't ever watched RedEye for a long time.
Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 08:42 PM (h6Mpm)


ever = even. Can't even blame spellcheck.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 08:43 PM (h6Mpm)

354 So, if the cockpit door can only be opened from the inside, what happens when the door is closed after the last of the flight crew leaves the plane for the day?
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 25, 2015 08:40 PM (JO9+V)
**********
Well that plane has to be thrown away.

Posted by: Genghis Cohen at March 25, 2015 08:43 PM (fLKzW)

355 They were within two airports at 30 mi. each. If the pilot *could* have turned, they'd have landed at I believe, Barcelonette, FR, for one.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 08:43 PM (FsuaD)

356 A weasel went through the windscreen into pilot's head, killing him instantly.

Posted by: wooga at March 25, 2015 08:43 PM (nllJH)

357 As soon as the word was out about this crash, the Obozo administration immediately announced that it was not terror related. That was bullshit. That sealed it for me. Those crack smoking idiots have never been right about anything. Somebody in that crew knew the names immediately.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 25, 2015 08:43 PM (ucDmr)

358 so if someone, such as an accomplice, created a disturbance in the cabin requiring the attention of one pilot, leaving the other pilot in the cockpit alone, well.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 08:40 PM (gsfK5)


Your agonizer, sir.

Posted by: The TSA at March 25, 2015 08:43 PM (h6Mpm)

359 Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 08:42 PM (/tNwW)

My bad.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 08:44 PM (0NdlF)

360 354
So, if the cockpit door can only be opened from the inside, what
happens when the door is closed after the last of the flight crew leaves
the plane for the day?

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 25, 2015 08:40 PM (JO9+V)

**********

Well that plane has to be thrown away.

Posted by: Genghis Cohen at March 25, 2015 08:43 PM (fLKzW)


*wipes off monitor*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 08:44 PM (FsuaD)

361 I recall an interview with an Israeli air security professional that was probably a decade ago now.

He was hugely unimpressed with the elaborate "security theater" which passes for actual air security in Western countries, and he said quite bluntly that if you want the highest attainable level of air security, you HAVE TO profile people ethnically and religiously.

Simple as that.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 25, 2015 08:44 PM (noWW6)

362 Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 08:30 PM (gsfK5)

That's a filthy lie. We didn't know a thing about it. We were just as shocked as you were when we found out.

Posted by: Every German citizen everywhere. at March 25, 2015 08:44 PM (Zu3d9)

363 352 if windscreen blew out then the plane would have depressurized and no one would have been banging on the door.



Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 08:42 PM (gsfK5)


Why wouldn't the cockpit door seal off to have its own pressure seal when closed? That seems like a safety feature to me. That way if the rest of the plane lost pressure the pilots would still be safe to land the aircraft.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 25, 2015 08:44 PM (z/Ubi)

364 We need the crew member names.

Posted by: Carol at March 25, 2015 08:45 PM (sj3Ax)

365 Mohamed?

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 08:45 PM (b4JMJ)

366 The British jet with the windshield failure, the British designed the plane's windshield to be installed externally to the airframe. With the undersized bolts when the cabin pressurized, it literally popped the pilot's windscreen right off.

The Airbus automated flight control system can override the pilots if it thinks their actions are dangerous. However as in Air France Flt 447 they can also partially disengage to allow pilots the leeway to save the plane, but the systems may not adequately inform the pilots that has happened. What truly doomed 447 was poor crew coordination, the two copilots were fighting each other but unaware of that while the Captain failed to take command.

Or even worse, in an Aeroflot A310 flight not even tell the crew. In this flight the captain let his son hold the controls. He thought his son could do nothing because the autopilot was engaged. But the boy yanked on the yoke so hard, the autopilot partially disengaged thinking the pilots needed aileron control and the plane started to roll. But there was no distinct warning from the autopilot to the pilots informing them of this. So that A310 crashed after a terrifying descent.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 08:45 PM (VpkjW)

367 Secret intelligence files held by Yemeni security forces and containing details of American intelligence operations in the country have been looted by Iran-backed militia leaders, exposing names of informants and plans for U.S.-backed counter-terrorism operations, U.S. officials say.

U.S. intelligence officials believe additional files were handed directly to Iranian advisors by Yemeni officials who have sided with the Houthi militias that seized control of the capital of Sana last September and later toppled the U.S.-backed president.

For American intelligence networks in Yemen, the damage has been severe.

Or what Fredo calls a model for success?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 08:45 PM (/tNwW)

368 Would an airline ever disclose the names of the pilot and copilot before passengers boarded?

Posted by: Tuna at March 25, 2015 08:45 PM (JSovD)

369 351 Oh gawd, Im seeing comments on NBC about "why don't they have cameras in the cockpit, so they can be monitored during flight?"....yeah and do what!?
Posted by: KWDreaming at March 25, 2015

Magic wand of course.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 25, 2015 08:45 PM (YOPoU)

370 suicidal, likely

muslim? need one piece of evidence

they sure want a bigger war, don't they

Posted by: Feh at March 25, 2015 08:45 PM (g/zj9)

371 We need the crew member names.
Posted by: Carol at March 25, 2015 08:45 PM (sj3Ax)


Second this, and move to close debate and to call the question.

Posted by: The TSA at March 25, 2015 08:45 PM (h6Mpm)

372 Celebrate divershitty.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 08:46 PM (b4JMJ)

373 Pilots sometimes work well into what is normally retirement age. The pilot could have had an incapacitating health issue while the copilot was locked out.

I think this speaks of a need for biometric locks on cockpit doors, such as thumb scanners, that a handful of authorized crew are capable of opening.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 25, 2015 08:46 PM (3HxZe)

374 obnoxious government agency sock be gone.

Dang, but the last comment of mine made no sense at all with that sock!

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 08:46 PM (h6Mpm)

375 Why wouldn't the cockpit door seal off to have its own pressure seal when closed? That seems like a safety feature to me. That way if the rest of the plane lost pressure the pilots would still be safe to land the aircraft.
Posted by: Buzzion at March 25, 2015 08:44 PM (z/Ubi)




interesting idea, do you have reason to believe that or are you speculating?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 08:46 PM (gsfK5)

376 You don't hit the side of a mountain at 40,000 feet, you have to aim at it.

Posted by: Countrysquire at March 25, 2015 08:46 PM (eEBON)

377 Would an airline ever disclose the names of the pilot and copilot before passengers boarded?
Posted by: Tuna at March 25, 2015 08:45 PM (JSovD)

I may start asking

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 08:46 PM (/tNwW)

378 NYT also had headline about Saudi military attacks in Yemen.

Posted by: Carol at March 25, 2015 08:47 PM (sj3Ax)

379 >> Why wouldn't the cockpit door seal off to have its own pressure seal when closed?

Physics -- the wall between cabin and flight deck can not handle the pressure. To design one that could would be a real challenge.

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at March 25, 2015 08:47 PM (LWu6U)

380 Would an airline ever disclose the names of the pilot and copilot before passengers boarded?
Posted by: Tuna at March 25, 2015 08:45 PM (JSovD)

I may start asking
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 08:46 PM (/tNwW)

Or only fly El AL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 08:47 PM (/tNwW)

381 The co-pilot was chanting, "Acid is groovy. Kill the pigs"

Posted by: wooga at March 25, 2015 08:47 PM (nllJH)

382 Pilot's name?

D.B. Cooper

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 25, 2015 08:47 PM (MMC8r)

383 Well that plane has to be thrown away.

Posted by: Genghis Cohen at March 25, 2015 08:43 PM (fLKzW)



That's what I thought. Just like school buses and city buses.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 25, 2015 08:47 PM (JO9+V)

384 48 Wife flies home from Gemany Sunday, I'm hoping extra vigilance, German-style, is in place.

The Amerinds had the right idea. Overland east to Asia then over the Bering Straight and head south.

Posted by: despair at March 25, 2015 08:47 PM (J6suc)

385 Maybe his name was Crashy MacDivebomb, you racists.

Posted by: Ibrahim Hooper at March 25, 2015 08:47 PM (76HNm)

386 "That way if the rest of the plane lost pressure the pilots would still be safe to land the aircraft."

Pilots have their own air masks, similar to what fighter pilots wear (but without the helmet)

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz knows how to end war at March 25, 2015 08:47 PM (l4sBv)

387 Pilots sometimes work well into what is normally retirement age. The pilot could have had an incapacitating health issue while the copilot was locked out.

I think this speaks of a need for biometric locks on cockpit doors, such as thumb scanners, that a handful of authorized crew are capable of opening.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 25, 2015 08:46 PM (3HxZe)


We've got a wonderfully Non-Evil Idea, You Guys!

Planes That Fly Themselves!!!

What could go wrong?

Posted by: The Good and Powerful Google at March 25, 2015 08:47 PM (h6Mpm)

388 Fucking Gremlins.

Posted by: William Shatner at March 25, 2015 08:48 PM (0apdu)

389 Pilot: Dude, why don't you hit the head? And that hot flight attendant? She's been giving you the eyeball.

Co-Pilot: Ummm, okay. Can I bring you anything?

Pilot: No. *mutters something something under his breath*

Co-Pilot: Dude? You okay?

Pilot: YES! *cough* Sorry. I have a headache. Go get some coffee.

Co-Pilot: Errr...Okay.


Later:

Co-Pilot: Hey, I've got some coffee for you. Open up. *bang bang* OPEN UP!!!!!

Pilot: ALOHA SNACK BAR!!!!!!!

*scene*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 08:48 PM (FsuaD)

390 What one muslim did to this plane and 145 people, they are doing en-mass to Germany and all of the west.

Posted by: despair at March 25, 2015 08:48 PM (J6suc)

391 driving to the english coast and taking a ship back to America is looking mighty fine right about now. Is the White Star Line still in business?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 08:48 PM (/tNwW)

392 OT: sorry Ace can't wait for the ONT as the wife has planz for me tonight (not the good kind. mostly labor)

But my queue is empty so: I provide tutoring in physics and math up to the 400 level (BS) for math and 600 (MS) for physics.

I do it on the cheap (meaning: free) but I have a limit of 3 students at a time.

So if any of you hordelings or your minions or spawn need help, your first quest is to track me down here and corner me.

I use irc to tutor so a client is necessary.

and... with that... /grabs rake

Posted by: TangoNine at March 25, 2015 08:48 PM (x3YFz)

393 354 So, if the cockpit door can only be opened from the inside, what happens when the door is closed after the last of the flight crew leaves the plane for the day?
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 25, 2015 08:40 PM (JO9+V)
**********
Well that plane has to be thrown away.

Posted by: Genghis Cohen at March 25, 2015 08:43 PM (fLKzW)



When Buzz Aldrin left the Lunar Module on Apollo 11 and Neil Armstrong was already outside on the Moon, Aldrin made a quip about "taking care not to lock it".

Posted by: John Jacob Astor at March 25, 2015 08:49 PM (sdi6R)

394
I think this speaks of a need for biometric locks on cockpit
doors, such as thumb scanners, that a handful of authorized crew are
capable of opening.


We only need the thumb, infidel.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 25, 2015 08:49 PM (MMC8r)

395
So, if the cockpit door can only be opened from the inside, what happens when the door is closed after the last of the flight crew leaves the plane for the day?
Posted by: Count de Monet




Cinderelly
Cinderelly
Night and day it's Cinderelly

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 25, 2015 08:49 PM (kdS6q)

396
I don't understand why people are saying -4000'/minute isnt abnormally fast.

I just did a little googling and the normal rate for descent for airliners is 3000-3500 fpm.

So this plane was in excess of 'normal' descent-to-land attitude. Not much but probably enough for the passengers to feel hampered by the increase G-force.

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 08:49 PM (ko4zy)

397 Titanic sock off.

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 08:49 PM (sdi6R)

398 Conspiracy baby.

A Boeing plot.

Posted by: mpfs, sad today at March 25, 2015 08:49 PM (si/E8)

399 "Think about what desperate, highly motivated people can do with 8 minutes. "

Would they be aware for the first few minutes though?

I'd like to know when the copilot starts banging. I'd say that was the point everyone knew tshhtf.

Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 08:49 PM (upbPV)

400 "Pilots sometimes work well into what is normally retirement age. The pilot could have had an incapacitating health issue while the copilot was locked out. "

That's what I was thinking. If locking the door was SOP for security reasons, it could be the guy inside just up and died while his partner was taking a crap.

Seems like you'd want the other pilot to have a key or something.

I still wanna know the name of the guy at the controls.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 08:49 PM (+azJs)

401 Crash one measly plane into the ground?

Hah!

Here, hold muh beer and watch this . . .

Posted by: Barack H. Obama at March 25, 2015 08:50 PM (h6Mpm)

402
Or what Fredo calls a model for success?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 08:45 PM (/tNwW)

With the playbook, they have moved from the JV team to the Varsity

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 25, 2015 08:50 PM (YOPoU)

403 Repeat after me: If it isn't Boeing, I ain't going.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 25, 2015 08:50 PM (S7Zlw)

404 I may start asking

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 08:46 PM (/tNwW)

I almost always poke my head into the cockpit area when I board (not the cockpit...they would go nuts)....but mostly because that shit is cool, and every once in awhile the copilot is a hottie.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 25, 2015 08:50 PM (Zu3d9)

405 They've got the flight voice recorder? Well, what does the data recorder say? Did they not get that? The DR will provide the answer as to whether this is some system problem/pilot incapacitated or intentional crash.

Posted by: otho at March 25, 2015 08:50 PM (tBSrv)

406 Well, if his name is Mo one would think it "might" nudge the world to wake the hell up, no?

Posted by: ChristyBlinky is back from the brink at March 25, 2015 08:50 PM (TIGDR)

407

3 Americans so far reported on plane.

Two were

They were identified as Yvonne Selke, a contract worker for Booz Allen Hamilton for nearly 23 years, and her daughter, Emily Selke, a 2013 graduate of Drexel University. They were from Nokesville, Va.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 25, 2015 08:51 PM (IXrOn)

408 British Airways Flight 5390, that was the one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_5390.

Also, does that door open in or out? If it opens in, it'd be pretty hard to open against a 400 mph rushing wind.

Posted by: flashoverride at March 25, 2015 08:51 PM (NiwZ6)

409 It's very weird they have released the passenger manifest and not the crew. The are interviewing family and associates

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 08:51 PM (zOTsN)

410 I'm not looking to fly on an Airbus this summer.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 08:51 PM (FsuaD)

411 Want to know the real reason why no crew names are being released?

BEA is merely engaging in CYA. They still have not fully placed the blame on the French pilots who crashed Flt 447 into the Atlantic killing all the people.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 08:51 PM (VpkjW)

412 if you give a pilot a key and he leaves the cockpit and is jumped by jihadis what is the point of locking the door to begin with?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 08:51 PM (gsfK5)

413 driving to the english coast and taking a ship back to America is looking mighty fine right about now. Is the White Star Line still in business?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 08:48 PM (/tNwW)


Cunard still steams the North Atlantic with the Queens.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 08:51 PM (h6Mpm)

414 Again. If the windscreen failed, they would have heard it on the tape

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 08:52 PM (zOTsN)

415 375 Why wouldn't the cockpit door seal off to have its own pressure seal when closed? That seems like a safety feature to me. That way if the rest of the plane lost pressure the pilots would still be safe to land the aircraft.
Posted by: Buzzion at March 25, 2015 08:44 PM (z/Ubi)




interesting idea, do you have reason to believe that or are you speculating?
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 08:46 PM (gsfK5)


Speculating but it would seem to make some sense to me.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 25, 2015 08:52 PM (z/Ubi)

416 Did they not get that? The DR will provide the answer as to whether this
is some system problem/pilot incapacitated or intentional crash.


The memory card is missing, possibly dislodged in the crash.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 25, 2015 08:52 PM (MMC8r)

417 very off topic. I have an extremely rare night home when I am NOT on call and have no responsibilities. I have made homemade red beans and rice with andouille sausage and I'm going to watch The Blues Brothers, in honor of nothing. Its been a shitty 24 hours - but nothing compared to the families of loved ones on this aircraft. Maintain perspective.hug your loved ones. f*** Islam.

Posted by: OG CELTIC-AMERICAN at March 25, 2015 08:52 PM (vssei)

418 The more I think about this the less I think it was terrorism. When was the last time a terrorist downed a plane without chanting "Allah akbar"? It would have been on the cockpit recorder. The fact that he was totally silent implies he was somehow incapacitated.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 08:52 PM (+azJs)

419 You'd think they'd take high speed rail since they weren't crossing water.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 08:52 PM (b4JMJ)

420
Anyone see Nick Cage in Left Behind?

I think there was a scene in which the pilots of an airliner were "taken" from the cockpit leaving the passengers to their end.

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 08:53 PM (ko4zy)

421 They are saying on CNN that if the door in NOT in the total lock position, the pilot outside has a code to get in. If they door is put in the total lock position, which would have to have been done intentionally and not accidentally, he could not.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 08:53 PM (/tNwW)

422 Richard quest on CNN is an idiot

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 08:53 PM (zOTsN)

423 Maybe just fire up a "Call To Prayer" real loud on your smartphone within the hearing of the pilots, and see what happens.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 08:53 PM (h6Mpm)

424 My money is on the pilot's name being Mohammed.... I'm sure he was just a random pilot on a random flight filled full of random folks...

Posted by: Dick Turpin at March 25, 2015 08:53 PM (Xcnae)

425 no chant is more terrifying

there's no closure

Posted by: Feh at March 25, 2015 08:53 PM (g/zj9)

426
Would an airline ever disclose the names of the pilot and copilot before passengers boarded?
Posted by: Tuna




"Good afternoon and welcome aboard United Airline Flight 207. I'm you Captain, Mohammed Mohammed al-Mohammed and today...."

*SCREAMS*

*Claws frantically at airplane window trying to escape aircraft.*

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 25, 2015 08:53 PM (kdS6q)

427 So, one witness who saw the plane go down, says he heard two *distinct* sounds like explosions or loud popping noises.

So???

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 08:54 PM (FsuaD)

428 The more I think about this the less I think it was terrorism. When was the last time a terrorist downed a plane without chanting "Allah akbar"? It would have been on the cockpit recorder. The fact that he was totally silent implies he was somehow incapacitated.
Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 08:52 PM (+azJs)


A) maybe maybe not
B) The have NOT release the tape yet. Don't assume facts not in evidence

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 08:54 PM (/tNwW)

429 Anyone see Nick Cage in Left Behind?

I think there was a scene in which the pilots of an airliner were "taken" from the cockpit leaving the passengers to their end.


See previous thread.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 08:54 PM (h6Mpm)

430

"We still cannot understand what happened yesterday," said Carsten Spohr, CEO of Lufthansa, which owns the low-cost airline."Lufthansa has never in its history lost an aircraft in cruise flight. We cannot understand how an airliner that was in perfect technical condition, with two experienced Lufthansa pilots, was involved in such a terrible accident."

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 25, 2015 08:54 PM (IXrOn)

431 Richard quest on CNN is an idiot

And a real freak:

http://tinyurl.com/5qtcg8

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 25, 2015 08:54 PM (MMC8r)

432 "? It would have been on the cockpit recorder. The fact that he was totally silent implies he was somehow incapacitated."

The fact that they aren't reporting it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 08:55 PM (upbPV)

433 I wish you a great evening, OG Celtic-American. Slainte!

Posted by: LadyS at March 25, 2015 08:55 PM (xYNhJ)

434 Have to agree with Hollowpoint.

It always perplexed me why Airbus design would allow the controls to be moved different directions at the same time by the pilots. Boeing doesn't allow for this, do they?

Posted by: mpfs, sad today at March 25, 2015 08:55 PM (si/E8)

435 Otho, the FDR is missing its data card. And so far I have not seen any mention of a QAR which is installed up front and is used by maintenance.

And before you ask, does an A320 use a QAR? I have found online an airline part supplier who sells a QAR to fit the A320. But no idea if this 24 year old plane had one.

Of course with an impact of 417KTS at last reading, the QAR maybe in even smaller pieces.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 08:55 PM (VpkjW)

436 It wasn't on autopilot?

Would a plane on autopilot descend if the window blew out and the pilot got incapacitated?

Posted by: eman at March 25, 2015 08:55 PM (KIB2C)

437 Richard quest on CNN is an idiot

No, he's an idiot pretty much everywhere, but yeah.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 08:55 PM (h6Mpm)

438
Richard quest on CNN is an idiot

CNN's British Boob

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 08:55 PM (ko4zy)

439 410: Jane, I was scheduled to fly on an A-320 in a couple of weeks. Thank my flight plans changed. Now flying on a Boeing.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 25, 2015 08:56 PM (ucDmr)

440 422
Richard quest on CNN is an idiot

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 08:53 PM (zOTsN)


He's the famous CNN douche arrested in Central Park several years ago for having his penis exposed, tied with a rope, and the rope wrapped around his neck.

Sick. F*cker. doesn't cover it. Yay, CNN!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 08:56 PM (FsuaD)

441 How do we know there was even one pilot in the cockpit? They both could have been locked out. Maybe they both took a piss at the same time.

The inflatable autopilot thought it was time to land.

Posted by: Roy at March 25, 2015 08:56 PM (fWLrt)

442
See previous thread.

Is that an order?

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 08:56 PM (ko4zy)

443 " if you give a pilot a key and he leaves the cockpit and is jumped by jihadis what is the point of locking the door to begin with?"

If you don't give him a key and the other guy dies while he's not in the cockpit you really have a problem on your hands. People sometimes just up and die. You gotta plan for it.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 08:56 PM (+azJs)

444 NO, more like the Bangladeshi call centers,

Good afternoon and welcome aboard United Airline Flight 207. I'm your Captain, Mohammed Mohammed al-Mohammed uh Mike Davis and today....

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 25, 2015 08:56 PM (JO9+V)

445 Think about what desperate, highly motivated people can do with 8 minutes.

Turn their cell phones back on and play angry birds?

Posted by: Adriane the Practical ... at March 25, 2015 08:56 PM (nSOh+)

446 I know nothing.

Posted by: Sergeant Schulz at March 25, 2015 08:57 PM (b4JMJ)

447 There are several autopilot disconnect switches, but the Airbus is peculiar in that pilot stick input will cause a disconnect, sometimes of just one axis, sometimes with no audible warning.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 25, 2015 08:57 PM (zauWW)

448 nice isn't it that the entire world has to reorganize itself to account for a few insane muslim assholes

they must be grinning from ear to ear

Posted by: Feh at March 25, 2015 08:57 PM (g/zj9)

449 Is that an order?


Nope. One house special with extra sauce, extra pepperoni, and extra black olives is an order.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 08:57 PM (h6Mpm)

450 If they don't release the names then i kina doubt they would tell us if there was any allasnackbars on the tape either.....

Posted by: E.T. at March 25, 2015 08:57 PM (K+RBk)

451 Could have been suicide, but not jihadi suicide

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 08:57 PM (zOTsN)

452 70 They can hear the other pilot trying to break down the door. What was he yelling?


"[Redacted], open the door. [Redacted]? [Redacted], open the door. [Redacted]! What the hell are you doing?! [Redacted]! Open the door! [Redacted]! [Red

Posted by: despair at March 25, 2015 08:57 PM (J6suc)

453 I'm on a Richard quest IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: erg at March 25, 2015 08:58 PM (g2DAI)

454 445 Think about what desperate, highly motivated people can do with 8 minutes
--------------

Apparently, one thing is to clap loudly and stand while waiting for the SCOAMF to show up and speak.

Posted by: Roy at March 25, 2015 08:58 PM (fWLrt)

455 hm, I'm going to die

better put the cockpit on total lockown first

?

Posted by: Feh at March 25, 2015 08:58 PM (g/zj9)

456 Richard Quest:

http://tinyurl.com/5qtcg8

Enjoy! Freaks gotta freak.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 08:58 PM (FsuaD)

457 If you don't give him a key and the other guy dies while he's not in the cockpit you really have a problem on your hands. People sometimes just up and die. You gotta plan for it.
Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 08:56 PM (+azJs)


so the only solution is no one leaves the cockpit after takeoff. having keys defeats the purpose of strengthening doors and bulkheads.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 08:58 PM (gsfK5)

458 EgyptAir Flt 990 the suicidal pilot was praying to allah as he crashed the plane. That was recorded on the CVR.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 08:58 PM (VpkjW)

459
Does a copilot leave the cockpit if the plane is not in level flight via autopilot? I strongly doubt it unless there's a problem with the aircraft that the copilot is investigating.

But there was no mention whatsoever of a problem with the aircraft between the pilots, that we know of.

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 08:59 PM (ko4zy)

460 I cannot remember, but think it was an Airbus, French, that disappeared in the Caribbean. Pilot was in bathroom and did not make it back in time to save plane. I guess that voice recorder had a lot of French cussing and stuff. From the little I remember, too, and too lazy and crazy tired to look up from own personal daily traumas...the co-pilot did not have a lot of hours and speculation of storms and stuff like that. But the similar scene of pilot leaving for awhile.

On long flights I observe when one has to pee the head flight attendant blocks the galley to cockpit while this goes on. Maybe they need to start flying with those diapers astronauts wear (kidding...one of my favorite news stories was of the woman astronaut who wore diapers so just thought of that). Will not say which airline, but it seems effective to block the door with the tea trolley and slow peoples down trying to ack-bar. I am always on high alert (ok, sometimes I sleep)...but it is a precaution I appreciate.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky is back from the brink at March 25, 2015 08:59 PM (TIGDR)

461 "The fact that they aren't reporting it doesn't mean it didn't happen."

Well, okay, but if they're reporting the other guy pounding on the door and leaving out Muzzie chanting that pretty much counts as a big fat lie by omission in my book. Not that I'd put it past a government, but they know they can never keeps something like that under wraps forever.

Besides, from what I've read the recording is circulating on aviation sites. We would have heard by now.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 08:59 PM (+azJs)

462 rotten muzzie terrorists. That we are even wondering whether one pilot did this deliberately is a damned shame.

Posted by: PaleRider at March 25, 2015 08:59 PM (dkExz)

463 Does anyone know if the doors lock automatically as a safety precaution? or does it have to be done manually?

Posted by: Matt at March 25, 2015 08:59 PM (1MydW)

464 "Think about what desperate, highly motivated people can do with 8 minutes. "

All we hear is this rapid "fapfapfapfapfap" sound....

Posted by: Crash Investigators at March 25, 2015 08:59 PM (nllJH)

465 if the crash was intentional, why crash into a mountain? Why not take out a few on the ground as well?

Posted by: Wtp at March 25, 2015 08:59 PM (8CYQ6)

466 Obama Regime Declassifies Top Secret Doc That Reveals Israels Nuclear Secrets

Weasel Zippers

Fuck each and every Jew that voted for Fredo, may they die a painful and horrible death

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:00 PM (/tNwW)

467 Do these cockpit doors open toward the cockpit or toward the passengers. If a pressure differential existed against the way the door opened, without any way to equalize pressure (assumption), the door could be inoperable, despite not being "locked."

You see the same thing on a sub and other situations, where pressure must be equalized before opening, or it cane be as good as welded.

Forgive me if this has already been covered and there are a lot of assumptions in there.

Posted by: flounder at March 25, 2015 09:00 PM (FHh8u)

468 Think about what desperate, highly motivated people can do with 8 minutes



Yes but what does one do with the other 6-1/2 minutes?

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 25, 2015 09:00 PM (JO9+V)

469 375, 415

The cockpit door should open easily actually. If the cockpit lost pressure and the door didn't open, the pressure loss would be so violent it would be fatal to those in the cockpit (like eyes sucked out violent). If the door opens as the pressure is lost then the pressure loss is slower and the pilots have time to get there oxygen masks on.

One reason the hijackers on 9/11 were able to break in to the cockpits so easily is that the doors were made to be broken.

Since then, at least on US planes, the doors have been made much stronger and a digital sensor unlocks the door if there is a sudden change in pressure.

If a similar system was on this plane and failed, then the pilot in the cockpit would be dead and the one in the passenger area wouldn't have much hope of getting the door open.

Posted by: Aviation worker at March 25, 2015 09:00 PM (+DmYB)

470 As for a plane of anxious travelors


I'm sorry but they are European. Americans have been sort of re oriented to fight back. When a passenger goes nutso, most the time the passengers wrestle him down to the floor first

Don't know if the Europeans would fight back. I don't think they would

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 09:00 PM (zOTsN)

471 The memory card is missing, possibly dislodged in the crash.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 25, 2015 08:52 PM

Otho, the FDR is missing its data card. And so far I have not seen any mention of a QAR which is installed up front and is used by maintenance.And before you ask, does an A320 use a QAR? I have found online an airline part supplier who sells a QAR to fit the A320. But no idea if this 24 year old plane had one.Of course with an impact of 417KTS at last reading, the QAR maybe in even smaller pieces.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 08:55 PM


Oh, ok. Thanks.

Posted by: otho at March 25, 2015 09:00 PM (tBSrv)

472 445 Think about what desperate, highly motivated people can do with 8 minutes
--------------

I saw a comedian do that one years ago. He said in that situation, someone or something is getting f*cked. And then when you DON"T CRASH? "Sorry, ma'm... Say hi to your grandkids for me".

Posted by: Roy at March 25, 2015 09:00 PM (fWLrt)

473 desperate and highly motivated europeans booked passage on the mayflower.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 09:00 PM (gsfK5)

474 I haven't read all the comments yet but the pilots can't unlock the door from the passenger area.

Otherwise, for example, if the co-pilot leaves the cockpit, a terrorist could conceivable make the co-pilot unlock the door from the passenger area.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 25, 2015 09:01 PM (tTNyn)

475 Fuck each and every Jew that voted for Fredo, may they die a painful and horrible death
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:00 PM (/tNwW)


We're working on it.

Posted by: Iran's Nuke-EMP Program at March 25, 2015 09:01 PM (h6Mpm)

476 148 isn't enough?

baal, ie allah, would be pleased

Posted by: Feh at March 25, 2015 09:01 PM (g/zj9)

477 A few things that I picked up from the airbus pilots over at airliners.net about the type aircraft.
1. Cockpit door is designed to unlock if excess differential pressure between cockpit and cabin.
2. Pilot in cabin has ability to unlock door from cabin side in normal conditions.
3.Pilot in cockpit has ability to override cabin side opening of lock.
4.Failed window would not normally cause major difficulty to trained pilot in donning oxygen mask within five seconds (Standard)
5. Cardiac arrest would not cause aircraft to begin descent.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 25, 2015 09:01 PM (F1jFR)

478 Think about what desperate, highly motivated people can do with 8 minutes
--------------

Apparently, one thing is to clap loudly and stand while waiting for the SCOAMF to show up and speak.


Have they no jazz hands?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 25, 2015 09:01 PM (W5DcG)

479 Obama Regime Declassifies Top Secret Doc That Reveals Israels Nuclear Secrets

Can everybody just stop pretending that they don't know what side Obama is on?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 25, 2015 09:01 PM (DXzRD)

480 "466 Obama Regime Declassifies Top Secret Doc That Reveals Israels Nuclear Secrets "

Fucking terrorist scum.

Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 09:02 PM (upbPV)

481 Does anyone know if the doors lock automatically as a safety precaution? or does it have to be done manually?
Posted by: Matt at March 25, 2015 08:59 PM (1MydW)

yes they just said on CNN with pictures of the actual lock that it must be done on purpose to override the lock code on the passenger side of the door. It was deliberate

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:02 PM (/tNwW)

482 Could have been suicide, but not jihadi suicide





Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 08:57 PM (zOTsN)


That is possible, it has happened before.

Posted by: cm9000 at March 25, 2015 09:02 PM (8zCR+)

483 Posted by: Aviation worker at March 25, 2015 09:00 PM (+DmYB)

Interesting and thank you for puttin' us that knowledge. I just got home and saw the news and immediately figured, well, there was a muzzie in the cockpit and locked the other guy out so he could get his fuckin' virgins. Now, I'm all, hmmmmmm.

Posted by: Peaches at March 25, 2015 09:02 PM (EgOr3)

484 Don't know if the Europeans would fight back. I don't think they would
Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 09:00 PM (zOTsN)


Most Europeans would simply wait for The Authorities to come and fix the problem, I think.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 09:03 PM (h6Mpm)

485 Obama Regime Declassifies Top Secret Doc That Reveals Israels Nuclear Secrets

Weasel Zippers

Fuck each and every Jew that voted for Fredo, may they die a painful and horrible death
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:00 PM (/tNwW)



that's my cue to get off the pc

we have lunatics in the WH
insane, dangerous, petty, petulant children

nightie night

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 25, 2015 09:03 PM (IXrOn)

486 Obama Regime Declassifies Top Secret Doc That Reveals Israels Nuclear Secrets

Can everybody just stop pretending that they don't know what side Obama is on?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 25, 2015 09:01 PM (DXzRD)



Our question is is he on our side?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 09:03 PM (gsfK5)

487 They now design planes to keep Mohammed out of the cockpit. So the stupid airlines put Mohammed *inside* the cockpit.

"That's not how it works! That's not how any of this works!"

Posted by: despair at March 25, 2015 09:03 PM (J6suc)

488 Saudi Arabia launching air strikes into the success model that was Yemen

No comment from the magic negro in the White House

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:04 PM (/tNwW)

489 "yes they just said on CNN with pictures of the actual lock that it must be done on purpose to override the lock code on the passenger side of the door. It was deliberate"

Well that just about does it, don't it?

Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 09:04 PM (upbPV)

490 Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 09:03 PM (gsfK5)

Nope.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 25, 2015 09:04 PM (DXzRD)

491 His name might rhyme with Mohammed.

Posted by: Valiant at March 25, 2015 09:05 PM (4rlxS)

492 No comment from the magic negro in the White House

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:04 PM (/tNwW)
to be fair, he's probably busy trying to figure out how to get Bergdahl off the hook because, if he had a son, the kid would have done the same damn thing.

Posted by: Peaches at March 25, 2015 09:05 PM (EgOr3)

493 Our question is is he on our side?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 09:03 PM (gsfK5)

Y-5, I think the answer to that is obvious!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 25, 2015 09:05 PM (ftVQq)

494 Richard quest is just making shit up

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 09:05 PM (zOTsN)

495 Our question is is he on our side?
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 09:03 PM (gsfK5)


Can we go ahead and question his patriotism NOW?

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 09:05 PM (h6Mpm)

496 No way on the windscreen. Whole plane would have depressurized, and it'd have been noisy as hell. You know how your car sounds when you open the window at 70 mph, right? Try six times faster.

Copilot leaves, pilot sets the autopilot to a fast but not "what the fuck" fast descent, hoping to delay any response from the back until it was too late. That way the autopilot would continue the descent until someone else regained control, in case the door was breached. Pilot sits back and waits for granite to enter the cockpit from the front.

Now would an A320 autopilot or GPWS disable a programmed descent if high terrain were detected? Didn't I see that the last couple of reports were level, or at a lower descent rate at least?

Posted by: Mark at March 25, 2015 09:05 PM (W1WTI)

497 I said when it happened it was terrorism. All that probably earned me was a spot on the NSA watch list, along with all the other commenters here.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 25, 2015 09:06 PM (Dhdnu)

498 Who let the ballet dancer in the Army?

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 09:06 PM (b4JMJ)

499 This is apparently live coverage of the Japanese satellite launch scheduled for 9:21 pm EDT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML2yMmdMGWc

It will be the third space launch in 7 hours. The earlier American and Russian launches today were successful.

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 09:06 PM (sdi6R)

500 I think if the window blew out and the plane was on autopilot, that the autopilot would have been punctured and deflated causing the crash.

Posted by: Genghis Cohen at March 25, 2015 09:06 PM (fLKzW)

501 Fired worker started shooting on flight from PHX to LA, IIRC,

Posted by: Adriane the Practical ... at March 25, 2015 09:06 PM (nSOh+)

502 @481...I have seen the pilot/co-pilot use a code to get back in after they use the loo in above comment of head flight attendant blocking galley. It is a coordinated effort on airlines in this country. So if it was deliberate I am thinking mo or just a crazy suicide by plane (if he turns out to be Lutheran).

However! As someone stated...very odd to release the manifest but not the crew names. Non?

I need to watch Justified and seek revenge on the tons of things ticking me off today, including this non-accidental crash scenario.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky is back from the brink at March 25, 2015 09:06 PM (TIGDR)

503 This happened because of your crusades proles. now, get off your high horse.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 25, 2015 09:06 PM (ucDmr)

504 I don't think they will tell us about terrorism anymore

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 09:07 PM (zOTsN)

505 Suicide for financial gain or simple revenge?

Well yes. There was the PSA crash. Disgruntled and fired airline employee gets aboard plane by bypassing security because he still had his badges. Pulled out a handgun. Killed the guy who fired him. Then got into the cockpit, killed the pilots, and shoved the stick over. Killed everyone.

Or out of Memphis and a cargo DC-10. Employee with financial problems hops aboard as passenger with a bag. He had blunt force weapons in bag because he did not want obvious signs on the crew bodies it was murder. Luckily the crew, though badly wounded, fought back and subdued the guy. Then managed to land the plane safely. Yes the would-be attacker had insurance policies on himself in case of accidental death.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:07 PM (VpkjW)

506 we want the names. we want them now. this is not a mystery, this is crapweaselry at the highest levels.

Posted by: Peaches at March 25, 2015 09:07 PM (EgOr3)

507
Iran is refusing to commit to a written nuclear deal ahead of the March 31 deadline that American officials had touted for a general framework to be signed, the New York Times reports.

The Obama administration and Congress have clashed over bills to impose new sanctions on Iran or to require Senate ratification of any nuclear deal. However, the Iranians appear to have treated the March 31 date as merely an opportunity to drag talks out further this time, until a deadline of July 1.

Iran, however, has played Obama, once again, for a fool.

Breitbart

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:08 PM (/tNwW)

508 "yes they just said on CNN with pictures of the
actual lock that it must be done on purpose to override the lock code on
the passenger side of the door. It was deliberate"



Well that just about does it, don't it?

Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 09:04 PM (upbPV)


If that is true than yes.

Posted by: cm9000 at March 25, 2015 09:08 PM (8zCR+)

509 "I'm sorry but they are European. Americans have been sort of re oriented to fight back."

Many years ago, some Basque separatist terrorists attempted to take over an Iberia flight. The rest of the passengers, Spaniards, were in no mood for this, and promptly killed them all.

I agree that a fighting response from today's typically passive Euro citizenry is unlikely.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 25, 2015 09:08 PM (noWW6)

510 I said when it happened it was terrorism. All that probably earned me was a spot on the NSA watch list, along with all the other commenters here.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 25, 2015 09:06 PM (Dhdnu)


We post at the HQ. We're all already on the list.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 09:08 PM (h6Mpm)

511
Copilot leaves, pilot sets the autopilot to a fast but not "what the fuck" fast descent, hoping to delay any response from the back until it was too late. That way the autopilot would continue the descent until someone else regained control, in case the door was breached. Pilot sits back and waits for granite to enter the cockpit from the front.

This is my interpretation of events, as well.

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 09:09 PM (ko4zy)

512 The governments and the aircraft manufacturers have had decades to build intrinsically safe hijacking proof cockpits. Yet they have not. I am rather baffled by this. All they need do is have a separate outside door to the cockpit, and no inside door at all. The only communication from the passenger area would be a light that says 'Land Immediately'. This may necessitate space for a head up front, but that's a small price to pay for complete hijacking protection.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 25, 2015 09:09 PM (rwI+c)

513 Tap Darth Merkel's phone.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 09:09 PM (b4JMJ)

514 Don't go hailing a taxi in Germany like you do in US.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at March 25, 2015 09:09 PM (TF10X)

515 The JEF, fundamentally transforming the shit out of us, and getting us killed.

Does he think Hawaii is some magic island, out of bounds for jihadi terrorists? Guess his idiot self will find out.

*rage headache*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:09 PM (FsuaD)

516 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtDAK7Umk7A

Possibly sounded something like this.

Posted by: Epobirs at March 25, 2015 09:09 PM (IdCqF)

517 Here are videos of today's earlier launches:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE_144GUFGI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaS91L4tTXg

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 09:10 PM (sdi6R)

518 The National Socialist Dept of Propaganda is no doubt holding all night meetings tonight about how to hide or break the news that one of the Pilots was a ROP Muzzie.

The Lies will pour forth tomorrow and thereafter. Nothing the National Socialist gov't says on the subject of the Muzzie Problem is truthful. Nothing.

Posted by: great big Banana Republic at March 25, 2015 09:10 PM (+kznc)

519 Interesting article linked from the pprune site.

Claims 18 minute long descent, flight was tailed by Mirage jet fighter.
http://tinyurl.com/nn46dnq

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 09:11 PM (0NdlF)

520 Think about what desperate, highly motivated people can do with 8 minutes>>>

The hallway to the cockpit door is a choke point so you hope the best suited to the task is in front.

Posted by: Robinson at March 25, 2015 09:11 PM (W2Cji)

521 368 >> Would an airline ever disclose the names of the pilot and copilot before passengers boarded?

Posted by: Tuna at March 25, 2015 08:45 PM (JSovD)

I'm thinking that this IS a fair question. But it would create chaos, which isn't necessarily a bad thing either. It would cause the confrontation of certain fairy tales being fed to us by our 'betters'.

Imagine this -- One of the pilots has a muslim sounding name. Name is announced pre-flight. Over half of the passengers refuse to board. Maybe ALL of them.

What next?

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 25, 2015 09:11 PM (Du4AU)

522 Have I told you I'm an expert on all things aircrafty?

Posted by: Richard Quest, tightening the rope around his penis at March 25, 2015 09:11 PM (FsuaD)

523 Whaaaa

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 09:11 PM (zOTsN)

524 >>>46 I hate flying, so Im not up to speed on this: arent cockpit doors only supposed to open from the inside now? And if thats true, could the pilot in the cockpit simply have passed out?

It's an entirely different kind of flying altogether.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at March 25, 2015 09:12 PM (TF10X)

525 Don't go hailing a taxi in Germany like you do in US.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at March 25, 2015 09:09 PM (TF10X)

Deutschland UBER Alles, right? Just sayin'

Posted by: Peaches at March 25, 2015 09:12 PM (EgOr3)

526 Does he think Hawaii is some magic island, out of bounds for jihadi terrorists? Guess his idiot self will find out.
***
one of lesser beliefs of those suffering from liberal psychosis is belief alligators will eat them last...or get too full to do so.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at March 25, 2015 09:12 PM (W+6Gl)

527 Our question is is he on our side?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 25, 2015 09:03 PM (gsfK5)


Fuck no.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 25, 2015 09:13 PM (FMbng)

528 Richard quest was demonstrating how to handle the stick in the aircraft


He looked quite familiar with that

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 09:13 PM (zOTsN)

529 Well...will this wake them up? Or will it take something even bigger.

I can see it now: the UN will blame poverty. The misunderstood youth. They will find a simulator in his livingroom, with recorded flight plans of different crash patterns and which mountain and route...yet poverty.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky is back from the brink at March 25, 2015 09:13 PM (TIGDR)

530 These pilots have families. How can we not know their names by now?

Posted by: mpfs, sad today at March 25, 2015 09:13 PM (si/E8)

531 Fighters have sticks, transports have yokes.

So was he yoking on the stick?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:13 PM (VpkjW)

532 Imagine this -- One of the pilots has a muslim sounding name. Name is announced pre-flight. Over half of the passengers refuse to board. Maybe ALL of them.

What next?


All pilots will be named Average Joe.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 25, 2015 09:13 PM (W5DcG)

533 Over half of the passengers refuse to board. Maybe ALL of them.

What next?


Posted by: GnuBreed at March 25, 2015 09:11 PM (Du4AU)
What's next, hopefully, would be that we start taking this shit seriously.

Posted by: Peaches at March 25, 2015 09:14 PM (EgOr3)

534 Yeah, if it's some sort of keylock and he would normally have been able to get in... hard to imagine it wasn't deliberate.

Still, with no allah snackbars I'm gonna keep hoping it was something else. Unless the pilot was a Mohamed.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 09:14 PM (+azJs)

535 ngu - Obama Regime Declassifies Top Secret Doc That Reveals Israels Nuclear Secrets

Somewhere in Hell, Titus and Vespasian are clearing out their rooms and the devils are posting up a new sign : "reserved for b. h. o."

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 25, 2015 09:14 PM (AVEe1)

536 with Saudia Arabia bombing Yemen, iran in Iraq fighting ISIS kinda, Syria a mess, lebanon next, Gaza in Hamaa's hand, The PA about to implode, Israel being abandoned by the US The Middle East is falling all the fuck apart thanks in no small part to Fredo and his commie progressives in DC.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:14 PM (/tNwW)

537 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQZzTPd1HJw

This is a Boeing training film of what to do if one of the openable cockpit windows isn't locked all the way at takeoff. Check out how loud it is about 1:40, compared with how quiet it is just a few seconds later, when he closes the window. I don't think the A320 has openable windows, but the noise would be similar.

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz knows how to end war at March 25, 2015 09:14 PM (l4sBv)

538 "Obama Regime Declassifies Top Secret Doc That Reveals Israels Nuclear Secrets"

Is Obama trying to bring the Mahdi?

Posted by: Thea at March 25, 2015 09:15 PM (Ql2lm)

539 Thanks for the info.

So it doesn't look like Pilot B goes for a piss. Closes the door behind him. Pilot A has a stroke, and Pilot B is permanently locked out?

Just so terrible to think someone would do this on purpose.

Posted by: Matt at March 25, 2015 09:15 PM (1MydW)

540 "I don't think the A320 has openable windows, but the noise would be similar."

Yeah, I'm not buyin' the decompression thing.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 09:15 PM (+azJs)

541 That Obama. He's been transforming, hasn't he?

I want to kick in the nuts and throat-punch every.single.asshole who voted for him twice.

My idiot sister and all my inlaws included.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:15 PM (FsuaD)

542 Just so terrible to think someone would do this on purpose.

Posted by: Matt at March 25, 2015 09:15 PM (1MydW)
And, yet, that was my very first thought. Not for the first time in recent years, either.

Posted by: Peaches at March 25, 2015 09:16 PM (EgOr3)

543 He called it a stick. As did Anderson cooper. They were discussing the impossibility of failing on it whilst unconscious. The stick on this aircraft is on the pilots (right?) side

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 09:16 PM (zOTsN)

544 If this was a serious country, Obama would still be a low rent community organizer in Chi-town taking notes at an Al Sharpton Seminar!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 25, 2015 09:16 PM (ftVQq)

545 Could it be that the pilot, no matter what his motivations, might believes that a slow, even descent would terrorize the passengers more than a 2-minute straight drop?

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at March 25, 2015 09:16 PM (0RdKg)

546 It sounds like the Japanese count down from T-10 minutes, instead of T-10 seconds.

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 09:16 PM (sdi6R)

547 Oooh. Megyn questioning Jen Psaki about Bergdahl.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:17 PM (FsuaD)

548 His middle name is Hussein, but I apologize for the use of that name and I repudiate that remark.

Posted by: John McCain at March 25, 2015 09:17 PM (jHvcP)

549 "I want to kick in the nuts and throat-punch every.single.asshole who voted for him twice.

My idiot sister and all my inlaws included."

Your sister has nuts?

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 09:17 PM (+azJs)

550 I suggest we form a study group and drink heavily

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 09:17 PM (zOTsN)

551 Jen Psaki. Another lying shitweasel Obamabot.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:17 PM (FsuaD)

552 Still, with no allah snackbars I'm gonna keep hoping it was something else. Unless the pilot was a Mohamed.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 09:14 PM (+azJs)


So we still don't know the pilots names? If we did it might be instructive.

Posted by: cm9000 at March 25, 2015 09:17 PM (8zCR+)

553 Occam's razor, methinks.

Posted by: otho at March 25, 2015 09:18 PM (tBSrv)

554 >> "Obama Regime Declassifies Top Secret Doc That Reveals Israels Nuclear Secrets"

Link for this?

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 25, 2015 09:18 PM (Du4AU)

555 519 (link to Independent article)

Several problems with that article, not the least of which is that 2000 ft MSL is substantially below ground in that area, and descent began from FL380 and not FL280. Flush all data from that one, unreliable.

Posted by: Mark at March 25, 2015 09:18 PM (W1WTI)

556 His middle name is Hussein, but I apologize for the use of that name and I repudiate that remark.
Posted by: John McCain at March 25, 2015 09:17 PM (jHvcP)


Bite me!

Posted by: Bill Cunningham at March 25, 2015 09:18 PM (W5DcG)

557 Shorter Obamanotes: Bergdahl was a hero until it was proven otherwise. And it's not really proven.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:19 PM (FsuaD)

558 Tomorrow will bring more information, I'm sure.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 25, 2015 09:19 PM (rwI+c)

559 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML2yMmdMGWc

Here we go...

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 09:19 PM (sdi6R)

560 "Obama Regime Declassifies Top Secret Doc That Reveals Israels Nuclear Secrets"

Link for this?
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 25, 2015 09:18 PM (Du4AU)

It's all over, but go to Weasel Zippers, it's there also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:19 PM (/tNwW)

561 >>>550 I suggest we form a study group and drink heavily

No... that's just what they'll be expecting us to do!

Posted by: Dr. Varno at March 25, 2015 09:19 PM (TF10X)

562 "While the murder of 145 people may be a tragedy, it would be an even greater tragedy if this incident put a halt to our plans to replace the native German people with Turkish muslims."

Posted by: German Officials at March 25, 2015 09:20 PM (J6suc)

563 It's an airbus, OK?

What else do you need to know.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 25, 2015 09:20 PM (NaeCR)

564
"We stand by President Obama's claim that Yemen is a success in counter-terror strategy."

-Jen Psaki

Posted by: Doctor Fish at March 25, 2015 09:20 PM (P330y)

565 Alternative theory.

The pilot was a clone of Eleanor Holmes Norton.

Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 09:20 PM (upbPV)

566 Alternative theory.

The pilot was a clone of Eleanor Holmes Norton.
Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 09:20 PM (upbPV)


Hell of a parking job ha?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:21 PM (/tNwW)

567 Airbus seems to like installing side controllers, like in the F-16, on planes. What this does do is remove any chance of any kind of feedback since its all by electronic inputs the plane is flown instead of mechanical.

Flt 447 had side controllers. And since no feedback was passing between left and right side controllers, the copilots who were in both seats and could not see what the other pilot was doing on his controller. So they fought each other to recover the plane. Meanwhile the Captain was just standing there watching them after he returned to the cockpit. Meanwhile the flight control system had surrendered and given full control to the pilots. The feuding pilots. In the drink the whole lot of them went.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:21 PM (VpkjW)

568 But the Crusades, you guys.

Posted by: David T. at March 25, 2015 09:21 PM (tpjOm)

569 I am prejudging Piss-aki as a mean wretch.

May God bless and comfort the family and friends of all who died in the crash.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky is back from the brink at March 25, 2015 09:21 PM (TIGDR)

570 Jen Psacki, "He served his country like many other people." Really? I'm sure his platoon mates beg to differ.

Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 09:21 PM (ZKGnj)

571 Alternative theory

Just like tipping Guam

The mountain jumped up and hit the aircraft

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 09:22 PM (zOTsN)

572 Lift off. Hello Kitty Orbiter.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 09:22 PM (b4JMJ)

573 Bill Cunningham was a radio guy who lost his gig for being 'racist' against Obama at a McCain rally. Or am I misremembering it?

Posted by: cm9000 at March 25, 2015 09:22 PM (8zCR+)

574 Jen Psacki, "He served his country like many other people." Really? I'm sure his platoon mates beg to differ.

'specially the ones who died trying to find his sorry ass.

Posted by: Peaches at March 25, 2015 09:22 PM (EgOr3)

575 Jen Psacki, "He served his country like many other people."

Yeah, he did!

Posted by: Inmates at Leavenworth at March 25, 2015 09:22 PM (ZKGnj)

576 Jen Psacki, "He served his country like many other people." Really? I'm sure his platoon mates beg to differ.
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 09:21 PM (ZKGnj)


That Scrunt and all other progressives like her have no idea how statements like that infuriate all who Serve or have ever Served. No matter what kind of Soldiers, Sailors, or Marines we all are or might have been, WE DID NOT DESERT

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:23 PM (/tNwW)

577 "575 Jen Psacki, "He served his country like many other people."

The fuck does that even mean?

Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 09:23 PM (upbPV)

578 Yeah, Jen. He "served his country" the way your feckless boss is "serving" us.

Stupid bitch.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:24 PM (FsuaD)

579 Jen Psacki, "He served his country like many other people."

Posted by: Peaches at March 25, 2015 09:22 PM


So, why did he come back to the states?

Posted by: otho at March 25, 2015 09:24 PM (tBSrv)

580 "Jen Psacki, "He served his country like many other people." Really? I'm sure his platoon mates beg to differ.

'specially the ones who died trying to find his sorry ass."

This. It's a clear sign of the degeneracy into which our country has descended they haven't found a tall tree and a short rope for that dude by now.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 09:24 PM (+azJs)

581 Psaki has to say that. It's going to trial

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 25, 2015 09:24 PM (zOTsN)

582 574: Peaches a firing squad is too good for this fucker. And, take his useless piece of shit father with him. Just to make sure this asshole can't procreate again.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 25, 2015 09:25 PM (ucDmr)

583 556 His middle name is Hussein, but I apologize for the use of that name and I repudiate that remark.
Posted by: John McCain at March 25, 2015 09:17 PM (jHvcP)

Bite me!
Posted by: Bill Cunningham at March 25, 2015 09:18 PM (W5DcG)

You crashed my plane, i mean, campaign.

Posted by: John McCain at March 25, 2015 09:25 PM (jHvcP)

584 Pisses me off to no end, NGU. I didn't serve like that, and my husband sure doesn't.

Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 09:25 PM (ZKGnj)

585 This Administration has moved into the part of the Prayer of St. Francis where I know there is nothing I can do. They are so weapons grade stupid, only weapons grade sunshine will get their attention. For all of ten milliseconds before they are vaporized.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:25 PM (VpkjW)

586 In a just world, Jen Psaki, Obama, Val Jar, Josh Earnest, and Every. Single. Member. of this administration, would go to prison.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:26 PM (FsuaD)

587 t's a clear sign of the degeneracy into which our
country has descended they haven't found a tall tree and a short rope
for that dude by now.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 09:24 PM (+azJs)

Hell, we'll just be lucky if he doesn't get a tax-payer funded sex change out of the deal. This is all pissing me off so hard, I am tempted to roll over to the AM/PM and re-beer.

Posted by: Peaches at March 25, 2015 09:26 PM (EgOr3)

588 That's one of the prettiest launch sites in the world, at least.

Since I don't speak Japanese, I don't know whether it has been successful.

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 09:26 PM (sdi6R)

589 Pisses me off to no end, NGU. I didn't serve like that, and my husband sure doesn't.
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 09:25 PM (ZKGnj)

Yup

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:27 PM (/tNwW)

590 Our son is going to go nuts when he hears what Psaki said. He and all his vet friends.

Jeebus. What a scrunt.

And she's still yapping on Megyn.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:27 PM (FsuaD)

591 Since I don't speak Japanese, I don't know whether it has been successful.
Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 09:26 PM (sdi6R)


I think "Oh Fuck" is the same in both languages. did you hear that?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:27 PM (/tNwW)

592 586 In a just world, Jen Psaki, Obama, Val Jar, Josh Earnest, and Every. Single. Member. of this administration, would go to prison.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:26 PM (FsuaD)

Or work at Starbucks.

Posted by: Pocket Trout at March 25, 2015 09:28 PM (jHvcP)

593 It's all over, but go to Weasel Zippers, it's there also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:19 PM (/tNwW)

Those worthless, useless cocksuckers. I'm having trouble telling TFG and Co. from the Nazis.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 25, 2015 09:28 PM (Du4AU)

594 Starbucks in Alexandria Egypt.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:28 PM (VpkjW)

595 Several problems with that article, not the least of which is that 2000 ft MSL is substantially below ground in that area, and descent began from FL380 and not FL280. Flush all data from that one, unreliable.

Thanks. I notice that the top comment points out a website with flight data. Looked it up:
http://tinyurl.com/pug45eo

I wonder if the journalist mixed up the ascent with the descent. Goes from 2k to 30k in roughly 18 minutes.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 09:28 PM (0NdlF)

596 592
586 In a just world, Jen Psaki, Obama, Val Jar, Josh Earnest, and Every.
Single. Member. of this administration, would go to prison.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:26 PM (FsuaD)



Or work at Starbucks.

Posted by: Pocket Trout at March 25, 2015 09:28 PM (jHvcP)


Nope. Prison.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:28 PM (FsuaD)

597 They're doing a launch replay now, in case you missed it.

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 09:29 PM (sdi6R)

598 GnuBreed that is very easy. The National Socialists actually loved their country.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:29 PM (VpkjW)

599 In a just world, Jen Psaki, Obama, Val Jar, Josh Earnest, and Every. Single. Member. of this administration, would go to prison.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:26 PM (FsuaD)


In a seriously just world they wouldn't make it that far.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 25, 2015 09:29 PM (FMbng)

600 #freeTheHarfThree

Posted by: Jen Psocki at March 25, 2015 09:29 PM (Dwehj)

601 It should be painful, excruciatingly painful, to lie for the Obama administration.

I hope they all go home at night and weep, rend their clothes, and drink heavily.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:30 PM (FsuaD)

602 At some point, Israel is going to leak the intel they have on the strange doings, and even stranger friends, of Mr. Barry Soetoro.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 25, 2015 09:30 PM (rwI+c)

603
Do you think they have crazy jihadis flying Airforce One? No! But we are expected to play russian roulettee.

Posted by: Bruce J. at March 25, 2015 09:30 PM (iQIUe)

604 Turns out the declassified Israeli nuclear report the Obama admin is releasing... is from 1987. So it's stale intel.

Still a dick move though.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 25, 2015 09:30 PM (elbY7)

605
Pasaki is a better Pinocchio than Pinocchio himself!

Posted by: Doctor Fish at March 25, 2015 09:31 PM (P330y)

606 Bill Cunningham was a radio guy who lost his gig for being 'racist' against Obama at a McCain rally. Or am I misremembering it?
Posted by: cm9000 at March 25, 2015 09:22 PM (8zCR+)


McCain gave Bill a load of crap but Bill didn't lose his job.
Bill mentioned Obama's middle name and McCain was uncomfortable with that.

Bill still has a show on WLW and a syndicated TV show and a national radio show every Sunday night.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 25, 2015 09:31 PM (W5DcG)

607 NBC News confirms that a Mirage jet fighter was used at some point, but the claim of tailing is probably nonsense.

Officials confirmed to NBC News that the French air force had scrambled a Mirage fighter jet to the area when the Germanwings flight lost radar contact on Tuesday, but the jet arrived too late and didn't spot the wreckage.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 09:31 PM (0NdlF)

608 Psaki psucks. Not even worth commenting.

From a pressurization standpoint I'd be very surprised if the cockpit were isolated from the rest of the plane - like where the pilot was supposedly standing pounding on the door. So I'm inclined to think that cockpit window failure or other structural issue not affecting the rest of the aircraft is a non-starter.

Posted by: JEM at March 25, 2015 09:31 PM (o+SC1)

609 Former Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. to be released from prison Thursday

Well shit I am sure the dems will let him run for President now

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:32 PM (/tNwW)

610 If only Israel would release Barry's college transcripts and passport info when he traveled to Pokeeeeston.

And an actual, real copy of his birth certificate would be nice. *dodges bottles and broken cocktail glasses*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:32 PM (FsuaD)

611 Nevergiveup, Filbert - if you can wait until July 2, there's a crossing from Southampton for only $2,598 per person...

http://tinyurl.com/o5en43d

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 25, 2015 09:32 PM (/WPPJ)

612 586 In a just world, Jen Psaki, Obama, Val Jar, Josh Earnest, and Every.

Single. Member. of this administration, would go to prison.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:26 PM (FsuaD)

THIS!

Posted by: Peaches at March 25, 2015 09:32 PM (EgOr3)

613 The key phrase here is "many other people."

Sane folk call those people traitors.

Posted by: Epobirs at March 25, 2015 09:32 PM (IdCqF)

614 Allu Akbar

Posted by: Religion of Peace at March 25, 2015 09:32 PM (Q1UO3)

615 At some point, Israel is going to leak the intel
they have on the strange doings, and even stranger friends, of Mr. Barry
Soetoro.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 25, 2015 09:30 PM (rwI+c)


I doubt it. Its all already out there and it hasn't hurt Obama to this point.

Posted by: cm9000 at March 25, 2015 09:33 PM (8zCR+)

616 I really, really hate to go off-topic, but I have to say that I have dibs on being the one to first question that State Department spokesperson. Yes, I am thinking about duress as I type this. What a much better world it would be if we could just put every talking-heads hand into the box before we ask them the first question.

Posted by: goon at March 25, 2015 09:33 PM (gNTQS)

617 Turns out the declassified Israeli nuclear report the Obama admin is releasing... is from 1987. So it's stale intel.

Still a dick move though.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 25, 2015 09:30 PM (elbY7)

Yes HOWEVER in the same report the blocked all the info about the British and French programs.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:33 PM (/tNwW)

618 Jen Psaki named her car "Brad".

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 25, 2015 09:33 PM (W5DcG)

619 Bergdahl served just like Nidal Hassan did.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:33 PM (VpkjW)

620 Biden 2015.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 25, 2015 09:33 PM (oKFzc)

621 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 25, 2015 09:33 PM (KCxzN)

622 Bergdahl served just like Nidal Hassan did.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:33 PM (VpkjW)

Outstanding

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:34 PM (/tNwW)

623 Well, I guess we won't have Psaki to kick around anymore she's being promoted to her next level of incompetency. White House Communications Director...how do these nincompoops keep failing up?

Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 09:34 PM (ZKGnj)

624 607 NBC News confirms that a Mirage jet fighter was used at some point, but the claim of tailing is probably nonsense.

Officials confirmed to NBC News that the French air force had scrambled a Mirage fighter jet to the area when the Germanwings flight lost radar contact on Tuesday, but the jet arrived too late and didn't spot the wreckage.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 09:31 PM (0NdlF)


I saw a report that an eyewitness on the ground saw a fighter plane right after the crash, for whatever that's worth.

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 09:35 PM (sdi6R)

625 When the White House said it wasn't a terrorist act just minutes after the crash I immediately became suspicious.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 25, 2015 09:35 PM (go6ud)

626 Former Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. to be released from prison Thursday


#welcomeHomeTripleJ!

Posted by: Jen Psocki at March 25, 2015 09:35 PM (Dwehj)

627
...how do these nincompoops keep failing up?

Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 09:34 PM (ZKGnj)
That's a joke isn't it?

Posted by: Tommy Vietor at March 25, 2015 09:35 PM (P330y)

628 Was out. Am back.

Pilot's names yet?

Posted by: jammer at March 25, 2015 09:35 PM (7d8Ef)

629 I hope they all go home at night and weep, rend their clothes, and drink heavily.

I know I do.

Posted by: free tibet, et. at March 25, 2015 09:35 PM (lAXNl)

630 how do these nincompoops keep failing up?
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 09:34 PM (ZKGnj)
********
Ummmm.... what are you trying to imply...

Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at March 25, 2015 09:36 PM (fLKzW)

631 "It should be painful, excruciatingly painful, to lie for the Obama administration. "

If you had Psaki's job you'd take every mirror out of the house.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 09:36 PM (+azJs)

632 They really need bio-metrics on those doors. And, pretty much every other goddamn place where someone is in charge of killing people because their girlfriend is screwing a terrorist. bah!

Posted by: goon at March 25, 2015 09:36 PM (gNTQS)

633 I miss Jen's Wilma Flintstone necklace.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 25, 2015 09:36 PM (W5DcG)

634 Bill still has a show on WLW and a syndicated TV show and a national radio show every Sunday night.



Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 25, 2015 09:31 PM (W5DcG)


Thanks, I just remember the Obama's middle name part getting him in trouble.

Posted by: cm9000 at March 25, 2015 09:36 PM (8zCR+)

635 Pilot's names yet?

Theodore Nugent and Yngwie Malmsteen.

Oh wait...

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 25, 2015 09:37 PM (elbY7)

636 "When the White House said it wasn't a terrorist act just minutes after the crash I immediately became suspicious."

Are you kidding? Did they really say that?

More workplace violence, I guess.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 09:37 PM (+azJs)

637 One of my guesses is a life insurance claim.

Other than the guy in the cockpit's name, also relevant is his finances and family status.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 25, 2015 09:37 PM (MMC8r)

638 Captain Jihad served his airline, GermanWings, like so many others have done.

Posted by: Jen Psaki at March 25, 2015 09:38 PM (qyomX)

639 Theodore Nugent


Oh wait...
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 25, 2015 09:37 PM



Considering they heard 'banging' sounds...

Posted by: jammer at March 25, 2015 09:39 PM (7d8Ef)

640 "Other than the guy in the cockpit's name, also relevant is his finances and family status."

Oh, I'm sure the Germans are digging. Even today Germans are good at getting answers.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 09:39 PM (+azJs)

641 the simplest explanation is that the flying pilot became incapacitated and thus couldn't open the door. The flight management system and autopilot should have continued the flight along the route, so the dive is a bit of a head scratcher.

when one pilot leaves the cockpit, the other must be wearing a quick-don supplemental oxygen mask, so I don't buy the depressurization theory.

This tragic event is an unintended consequence of the armored-up cockpit doors. maybe non-flying pilot needs to carry a key?

Posted by: Luke Duke at March 25, 2015 09:39 PM (qyRUG)

642 sure there wasn't a stew in there?

Posted by: jammer at March 25, 2015 09:39 PM (7d8Ef)

643 That is the thing, what is known of the Captain of this flight is - 6,000 flight hours and 10 years on the A320. Flying a plane 24 years old with 58,300 flight hours.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:39 PM (VpkjW)

644 Look let's be honest here. this plane crash lookalike suicide by pilot if not terrorism and that Malaysian Airline that have not found also. See a pattern here?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:39 PM (/tNwW)

645 "the simplest explanation is that the flying pilot became incapacitated and thus couldn't open the door. "

That's what I was thinking too. But the lock on the door is a code lock. There's no reason the other guy would have trouble getting in unless the guy in the cockpit disabled it. Which he can do.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 09:41 PM (+azJs)

646 So did Roger or Victor have the fish?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:41 PM (VpkjW)

647 Bergdahl served just like Nidal Hassan did.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:33 PM (VpkjW)

Well done, Anna. That's Iowahawk quality level snark. Short and very painful.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 25, 2015 09:41 PM (Du4AU)

648 606 Bill Cunningham was a radio guy who lost his gig for being 'racist' against Obama at a McCain rally. Or am I misremembering it?
Posted by: cm9000 at March 25, 2015 09:22 PM (8zCR+)

McCain gave Bill a load of crap but Bill didn't lose his job.
Bill mentioned Obama's middle name and McCain was uncomfortable with that.

Bill still has a show on WLW and a syndicated TV show and a national radio show every Sunday night.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 25, 2015 09:31 PM (W5DcG)


Actually if I remember correctly it wasn't even that Cunningham mentioned obama's middle name. I mean he did and he was using it as part of his speech to fire up the crowd. But McCain didn't hear his speech and had no idea he was just asked about condoning cunningham's speech and like the good little starfucking media sycophant he is, he denounced Bill without even knowing fully why.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 25, 2015 09:41 PM (z/Ubi)

649 Look let's be honest here. this plane crash
lookalike suicide by pilot if not terrorism and that Malaysian Airline
that have not found also. See a pattern here?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:39 PM (/tNwW)


Ted Cruz?

Posted by: cm9000 at March 25, 2015 09:41 PM (8zCR+)

650
On the idiot State spokesthing's comment on Bergdahl, as ThunderB says, you can only expect bland statements from now on. Since a military judicial proceeding is under way, all those in authority must refrain from substantive comment on the case.

For a contrast, recall that vile cretin John Murtha and his smearing of the Haditha Marines from his perch as a senior member of the House. Not in the chain of command, and don't know if it ever weighed in the consideration of the court (anyone know?), but it was an outrageous and contemptible civilian form of "undue command influence".

Posted by: rhomboid at March 25, 2015 09:41 PM (afQnV)

651 what is known of the Captain of this flight is -
6,000 flight hours and 10 years on the A320. Flying a plane 24 years old
with 58,300 flight hours.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:39 PM



So we have names then?

Posted by: jammer at March 25, 2015 09:41 PM (7d8Ef)

652 This is so one sourced, being only the NYT. The Krautish press has been at the forefront, but it's 2 AM there and there's nothing.

The NYT used to have preeminent reporting. The details are so specific, they might have the real deal here.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 25, 2015 09:41 PM (1xUj/)

653 644 Look let's be honest here. this plane crash lookalike suicide by pilot if not terrorism and that Malaysian Airline that have not found also. See a pattern here?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:39 PM (/tNwW)


I'm not passing judgement yet. Air France 447 seemed awfully suspicious at first, then it turned out to be a clusterfuck of monumental proportions.

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 09:42 PM (sdi6R)

654 Nothing the National Socialist gov't says is truthful.
Nothing.

FIFY

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 25, 2015 09:42 PM (go6ud)

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 25, 2015 09:43 PM (xVkS/)

656 Just heard applause on the Jap YouTube feed, which I'm assuming is evidence of successful spacecraft separation.

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 09:43 PM (sdi6R)

657 The Lutheran pilot will be brought to justice. Oh, wait...

Posted by: Jen Psocki at March 25, 2015 09:43 PM (Dwehj)

658 If anyone wants use my Bergdahl to Hassan quip go for it. Cudgel them with it. Make them whimper and cry.

Jammer, no names. Just repeating what AirlineReporter.com has posted.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:43 PM (VpkjW)

659 Eight minutes of sheer terror for those poor passengers, flight attendants and co-pilot... probably to satisfy the blood-lust of an inhuman monster committed to Allah.

Awful.

Posted by: Y-not at March 25, 2015 09:43 PM (9BRsg)

660

So, anyone fancy a bit o' meth and a tug on the willy?

Posted by: CNN's Richard Quest

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 25, 2015 09:43 PM (kdS6q)

661 after the names, then what?

Posted by: Feh at March 25, 2015 09:44 PM (g/zj9)

662 "Just heard applause on the Jap YouTube feed, which I'm assuming is evidence of successful spacecraft separation."

If you don't hear "shimatta" it's probably okay.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 09:44 PM (+azJs)

663 238 eventually europe's veneer of acceptance and civility will wearoff and everyone will see what is beneath.

I've said before that I'm not looking forward to this day.

===

We are not like that anymore. If we were, we would not have ever allowed this hellish situation to develop in the first place.

Posted by: German Officials at March 25, 2015 09:44 PM (J6suc)

664 655

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 25, 2015 09:43 PM


Bullshit.

It's

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 25, 2015 09:44 PM (KCxzN)

665 Maybe suicide...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 25, 2015 09:44 PM (Bn6aD)

666 The fact we don't have names speaks volumes. Hiding those names from the people makes them an accomplice. The Fourth Reich is a co conspirator.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 09:44 PM (b4JMJ)

667 But McCain didn't hear his speech and had no idea he
was just asked about condoning cunningham's speech and like the good
little starfucking media sycophant he is, he denounced Bill without even
knowing fully why.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 25, 2015 09:41 PM (z/Ubi)


Good point and that sounds very McCain like.

Posted by: cm9000 at March 25, 2015 09:45 PM (8zCR+)

668 "Give me the name!"

Moriartyyyyyyyyyyyyy....

Posted by: Adriane the Practical ... at March 25, 2015 09:45 PM (nSOh+)

669 Yeah should be good if you don't hear 'shimatta' or 'seppuku' in the same sentence.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:45 PM (VpkjW)

670 626 Former Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. to be released from prison Thursday


#welcomeHomeTripleJ!
Posted by: Jen Psocki at March 25, 2015 09:35 PM (Dwehj)

The hell you say.

Posted by: Jesse Jackson Jr's bunghole at March 25, 2015 09:45 PM (jHvcP)

671 I'm not passing judgement yet. Air France 447 seemed awfully suspicious at first, then it turned out to be a clusterfuck of monumental proportions.
Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 09:42 PM (sdi6R)

Locked out of the cock pit is awful suspicious.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 09:46 PM (/tNwW)

672 "We are not like that anymore. If we were, we would not have ever allowed this hellish situation to develop in the first place.

Posted by: German Officials at March 25, 2015 09:44 PM (J6suc)"

Yes, but your children are eyeing that old pair of dusty jackboots.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 09:46 PM (+azJs)

673
So, anyone fancy a bit o' meth and a tug on the willy?

Posted by: CNN's Richard Quest



I think you need to tighten the rope on your penis, but especially around your neck.


Way to go, CNN. Stay klassy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:46 PM (FsuaD)

674 Jammer, no names. Just repeating what AirlineReporter.com has posted.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:43 PM


Ah, thanks Anna.

Posted by: jammer at March 25, 2015 09:46 PM (7d8Ef)

675 So. Three successful satellite launches in 7 hours, from America, Russia, and Japan.

This must be what the Space Age is like.

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 09:46 PM (sdi6R)

676 Just heard applause on the Jap YouTube feed, which I'm assuming is evidence of successful spacecraft separation.
Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 09:43 PM (sdi6R)


Or, they're about to attack Pearl Harbor again. With the Japanese, you can never quite tell. They put corn and mayo on their pizza, after all.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 09:46 PM (h6Mpm)

677 They might just be covering up how shitty their airliners are.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 09:47 PM (b4JMJ)

678 Well, I'm off.

Ya'll behave on the ONT. Or whatever.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:47 PM (FsuaD)

679 Unless that pilots name was Bruno Stachel I'm going with intentional pilot nose dive.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 25, 2015 09:47 PM (FMbng)

680 after the names, then what?
Posted by: Feh at March 25, 2015 09:44 PM


teh spankings?

Posted by: jammer at March 25, 2015 09:47 PM (7d8Ef)

681 "They put corn and mayo on their pizza, after all."

Fucking animals.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 09:48 PM (+azJs)

682 Bullshit.

It's
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 25, 2015 09:44 PM (KCxzN)


Monty Python's Flying Circus?

(hmm. Possibly in more than usually bad taste, given the thread topic. Ah, well . . .)

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 09:48 PM (h6Mpm)

683 Or they are trying to nail down it really was pilot suicide before having to tell anyone.

Just ponder if they announced that prematurely and then later they find the FDR memory card or the QAR memory card proves it was mechanical failure.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:48 PM (VpkjW)

684 653 I'm not passing judgement yet. Air France 447 seemed awfully suspicious at first

Not to me. One look at the weather in the fight path said it all.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at March 25, 2015 09:49 PM (jpc8l)

685 "Unless that pilots name was Bruno Stachel I'm going with intentional pilot nose dive."

Wow. That's a blast from the past. Fifty years old next year.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 09:49 PM (+azJs)

686 Well, if we had recovered AF447's CVR within two days, we'd have known the clusterfuck part within three.

Posted by: Mark at March 25, 2015 09:49 PM (W1WTI)

687 So. Three successful satellite launches in 7 hours, from America, Russia, and Japan.

This must be what the Space Age is like.
Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 09:46 PM (sdi6R)


But can they do Muslim outreach?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 25, 2015 09:49 PM (W5DcG)

688
In my youth, I was very good friends with Sally Kohn.

Posted by: Jen Psaki at March 25, 2015 09:49 PM (P330y)

689 Before I go, let me just say, if I'm going to die in an air disaster, let it be quick, and let the plane crash so hard no one even feels it. Even if there's nothing left of me larger than a pinky finger, let my family know I didn't feel a thing.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:49 PM (FsuaD)

690 Well, it wasn't us this time.

Posted by: Wi Tu Lo and Sum Ting Wong at March 25, 2015 09:49 PM (Dwehj)

691 A man who has fathered 34 children with 17 different women has landed his own reality series, which is due to start airing on Oprah Winfrey's OWN network in September.

http://goo.gl/qhTU1T

Posted by: Bruce J. at March 25, 2015 09:50 PM (iQIUe)

692 . With the Japanese, you can never quite tell. They put corn and mayo on their pizza, after all.
Posted by: filbert


And squid. Don't forget the squid.

Posted by: we at March 25, 2015 09:50 PM (JBzwC)

693 How many spacecraft did the mohomeddan savages launch today?

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 09:50 PM (b4JMJ)

694 691 A man who has fathered 34 children with 17 different women has landed his own reality series, which is due to start airing on Oprah Winfrey's OWN network in September.



Let Me guess.... Never mind...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 25, 2015 09:50 PM (Bn6aD)

695 Former Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. to be released from prison Thursday


The band? The band. Than Band!! YES! YES! JESUS H. TAP-DANCING CHRIST... I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT! - Triple J

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 25, 2015 09:50 PM (JO9+V)

696 Second alternative theory.

They aren't releasing the names because the pilot was the unfortunately named "Randolph Hitler" who suffered from heart issues.

Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 09:51 PM (upbPV)

697 This is too early to start speculating, and any speculation is likely to be wrong and driven by people who have important points to make.


I am sitting back and will wait.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Walker Brand Skull Polish Only at the Outrage Outlet! at March 25, 2015 09:51 PM (K/tQx)

698 And the guy's name is Spunk?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:51 PM (VpkjW)

699 "Just ponder if they announced that prematurely and then later they find the FDR memory card or the QAR memory card proves it was mechanical failure."

Maybe so. But the fact that they're dragging their feet on announcing the names of the crew is pretty damn suspicious. It's one thing to be careful not to jump to conclusions. It's quite another to withhold information from other people because you're afraid they'll do the same.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 09:51 PM (+azJs)

700 And squid. Don't forget the squid.
Posted by: we at March 25, 2015 09:50 PM (JBzwC)


Most memorable confection, if you could call it that, I had during my visits to Japan was cuttlefish jerky.

Tastes about like you'd imagine.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 09:51 PM (h6Mpm)

701 I seem to have had a fight-or-flight moment there.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at March 25, 2015 09:52 PM (jpc8l)

702 Fucking animals.

I've never seen those on pizza, but I've lived a sheltered life ...

Posted by: Adriane the Practical ... at March 25, 2015 09:52 PM (nSOh+)

703 let my family know I didn't feel a thing.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:49 PM



Indeed. No long descents included. Completly unoticed CFIT.

Nothing on the CVR but:

[Pilot]: "Oh, shit"

*static*

Posted by: jammer at March 25, 2015 09:52 PM (7d8Ef)

704 Wow. That's a blast from the past. Fifty years old next year.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 09:49 PM (+azJs)


Shit, is it really that old?

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 25, 2015 09:53 PM (FMbng)

705 First Lady fired her chief florist today. Had to have her "escorted" off WH property.

Our Betters.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:53 PM (FsuaD)

706 Angry German guy banging on the door? I wouldn't have opened it either.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 09:53 PM (b4JMJ)

707 Actually, when I first heard about the Germanwings flight, I though "AF447-like pilot vs. automation fight" again. Too many (bad) pilots fight the computer instead of telling Otto to go fuck himself and fly the plane manually.

Posted by: Mark at March 25, 2015 09:53 PM (W1WTI)

708 A man who has fathered 34 children with 17 different
women has landed his own reality series, which is due to start airing
on Oprah Winfrey's OWN network in September.



http://goo.gl/qhTU1T

Posted by: Bruce J. at March 25, 2015 09:50 PM (iQIUe)


Without the influence of Margaret Sanger he would have fathered 78 children by 32 different women.

Posted by: cm9000 at March 25, 2015 09:54 PM (8zCR+)

709 And squid. Don't forget the squid.

Posted by: we

Hey, squid sushi is great!

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at March 25, 2015 09:54 PM (Wo9OY)

710 Basil Fawlty on the Germans, "Don't mention the war."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:54 PM (VpkjW)

711 FLOTUS fires FLORIST for having good taste.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:54 PM (FsuaD)

712 The only truly painless death is probably carbon monoxide inhalation ,maybe freezing to death.

Posted by: steevy at March 25, 2015 09:54 PM (KETbL)

713
The flower girl used the word pussy willow, and that insulted my AoS friend Willow who will not admit to knowing me and loving my fashion sense.

Posted by: Mooch Obama at March 25, 2015 09:54 PM (P330y)

714 First Lady fired her chief florist today. Had to have her "escorted" off WH property.

It was a trap!

Posted by: Ready for Hillary!!11!! at March 25, 2015 09:54 PM (Dwehj)

715 Speaking of let's see what the Domino's Japan specials are:

Oh, this look new:
Charcoal Grilled Chiki-Teri
Onion, Spinach, Corn, Terri Chicken, Mayo!

Hey!
Goryeo Galbi
Spinach, Beef Libs (sic), and Garlic - I'd actually order that if I could.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 25, 2015 09:55 PM (JBzwC)

716 The pilot had one of those weird English names that don't sound like they're spelled.

His name is pronounced William Thorndike Pugh but it's spelled Mohammad Hussein Pughhammad.

Posted by: Hepcat at March 25, 2015 09:55 PM (IeR2g)

717 703
Indeed. No long descents included. Completly unoticed CFIT.

Nothing on the CVR but:

[Pilot]: "Oh, shit"

*static*
Posted by: jammer at March 25, 2015 09:52 PM (7d8Ef)


Supposedly those are the most common last words of pilots. That's what I've heard, anyway.

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 09:56 PM (sdi6R)

718 Just heard applause on the Jap YouTube feed, which I'm assuming is evidence of successful spacecraft separation.

Or arrival of Gamera.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 25, 2015 09:56 PM (MMC8r)

719 We are missing a serious business opportunity.

Imagine in swanky NYC a Domino franchise that makes Japanese menu items. The Starbucks swilling hipsters would be so cool with going to Domino for once.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:56 PM (VpkjW)

720 Ladies and Germs,

I give you insanity on a peel:

Avocado Shrimp Pizza
"A winning combination of Domino's Pizza's special creamy avocado sauce and mayonnaise with prawns! A pizza that will satisfy all avocado-lovers."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 25, 2015 09:56 PM (JBzwC)

721 And the guy's name is Spunk?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:51 PM (VpkjW)


I hate Spunk.

Posted by: Lou Grant at March 25, 2015 09:57 PM (W5DcG)

722 Too many (bad) pilots fight the computer instead of telling Otto to go fuck himself and fly the plane manually.
Posted by: Mark at March 25, 2015 09:53 PM (W1WTI)


The long-standing problem with the Airbus aircraft is that you can't really turn the computer off. They're fly-by-wire, so if you turn the computer off, you don't have flight control.

You can turn off the autopilot, but the aircraft still has its programmed--almost hard-coded--"flight envelope" that it won't let you get outside of, even in an extreme situation.

This has bothered pilots about Airbus aircraft since the beginning.

Or so I've been lead to understand, anyway.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 09:57 PM (h6Mpm)

723 "Speaking of let's see what the Domino's Japan specials are:"

My Japanese wife puts corn on the ready made pizzas from the grocery store. I told her to never ever put mayo on it though.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at March 25, 2015 09:57 PM (Wo9OY)

724 "And the guy's name is Spunk?"

Spunkmeyer? That effin' guy could have told me about the slime on the ladder. I mean, WTF? Sure, I was a little hard on him, but a little warning on the slice-n-dice would have been good.

Posted by: Cpl Collete Ferro at March 25, 2015 09:57 PM (+azJs)

725 I thought both pilots could use a code to access and could only be denied if the pilot on the inside refused the entry code. Not sure about Airbus planes under euro regs.

Posted by: knaws at March 25, 2015 09:57 PM (LonH4)

726 A man who has fathered 34 children with 17 different

women has landed his own reality series, which is due to start airing

on Oprah Winfrey's OWN network in September.


But it's white people that perpetuate stereotypes.

Hey, Oprah, way to celebrate the scumbags.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 25, 2015 09:57 PM (MMC8r)

727 Speaking of let's see what the Domino's Japan specials are:.



That is foul. So wrong on so many levels. And none of this "delicacy of the house" bullhockey either. May Godzilla stomp them all flat for that disgusting culinary combo.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 25, 2015 09:58 PM (JO9+V)

728 Or arrival of Gamera.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 25, 2015 09:56 PM (MMC8r)

"Gamera is really neat,
Gamera is full of meat,
We all love you, Gamera!"

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 09:58 PM (h6Mpm)

729 I admit the failure to close a tag. But Pixy is my co-pilot.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 09:58 PM (h6Mpm)

730 I hate Spunk.

Posted by: Lou Grant at March 25, 2015 09:57 PM


Well played.

(If Pixy would allow subtext, I'd add a "golf clap".

***Shakes fist at Pixy***)

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 25, 2015 09:59 PM (KCxzN)

731
(banging on the door)
"Go 'way! I'm 'baten!

Posted by: too soon at March 25, 2015 09:59 PM (t2aeH)

732 D'oh Boy occasionally sports a t-shirt from Okinawa that reads:

American Pizza -- No Corn!

It was their go-to pizza delivery service at the barracks.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 09:59 PM (FsuaD)

733 721 I hate Spunk.



Posted by: Lou Grant at March 25, 2015 09:57 PM (W5DcG)I got that, and I am sort of ashamed.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at March 25, 2015 09:59 PM (jpc8l)

734 "Most memorable confection, if you could call it that, I had during my visits to Japan was cuttlefish jerky. "

I love that stuff, but you have to eat it the way the Koreans do - with red pepper paste.

And in a pinch you can make shoes out of it.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 09:59 PM (+azJs)

735 What about heart attack? That could explain it to (and they could potentionally verify how the controls were impacted).

Posted by: Evi L. Bloggerlady at March 25, 2015 09:59 PM (Xbys0)

736 "You can turn off the autopilot, but the aircraft
still has its programmed--almost hard-coded--"flight envelope" that it
won't let you get outside of, even in an extreme situation.
"
Posted by: filbert

Which might explain why the descent wasn't as steep as it could have been.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at March 25, 2015 09:59 PM (Wo9OY)

737 Yes, what was the pilot's name.
-----------------

I'm going with 'Bush'.

Posted by: Dedicated Lefty at March 25, 2015 10:00 PM (F2IAQ)

738 OK I'm out, obviously too drunk to post mvq-0ttv kvpigjbng

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at March 25, 2015 10:01 PM (jpc8l)

739 And the guy's name is Spunk?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 09:51 PM (VpkjW)
*********
Dick Manbutter

Posted by: Genghis Cohen at March 25, 2015 10:01 PM (fLKzW)

740 I cannot imagine a suicidal jihadi at the controls just coasting into a mountain, not with all those tempting cities scattered all over europe. I'm guessing an incapacitation like from a broken window.


Posted by: Storm Saxon's Gall Bladder at March 25, 2015 10:01 PM (Ugfq4)

741 Anyone watch the Spring Break stuff on Fox? Daddy's everywhere must be so proud of their little princes and princesses.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 10:01 PM (FsuaD)

742 I can wait no longer for ONT.

Toodle-oo, y'all. Stay as safe as is reasonably possible.

Posted by: filbert at March 25, 2015 10:02 PM (h6Mpm)

743 The McDonald's Japan special seems awfully tame:

Loco Moco Burger
aka the Hawaiian burger

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 25, 2015 10:02 PM (JBzwC)

744 Okay, off to bed for real. Sort of. Later.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 10:03 PM (FsuaD)

745 737: Cloggenstein.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 25, 2015 10:03 PM (ucDmr)

746 There were 354 Dominos in Japan in 2014 according to a quick internet search.

Posted by: cm9000 at March 25, 2015 10:03 PM (8zCR+)

747 Seriously doubt a Hawai'ian style pizza would win too many Mainland converts - the Spam pizza.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 10:03 PM (VpkjW)

748
Japanese Pizza

#3 is called "Curry German" and has potato, bacon, tuna, onions, corn and curry sauce.

#15 is called "Hot Dog Pizza" and has cabbage, wieners, scrambled eggs and tomato ketchup.

http://blog.greggman.com/blog/japanese_pizza/

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 25, 2015 10:03 PM (kdS6q)

749 Asheville Robert - All quiet on the western front? I have Merriman Ave. under control.

Posted by: Dedicated Lefty at March 25, 2015 10:04 PM (F2IAQ)

750 Most memorable confection, if you could call it that, I had during my visits to Japan was cuttlefish jerky.

Tastes about like you'd imagine.
Posted by: filbert


Actually I got addicted to those shrimp chips. Smells horrid but mmm, mmm, mmm. And yes, you dip them in mayo.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 25, 2015 10:04 PM (JBzwC)

751 "Shit, is it really that old?'

Yeah. It really is. That handsome young man is George Peppard, b 1928.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 10:04 PM (+azJs)

752 A Loco Moco is rice, a hamburger pattie, brown gravy, and a fried egg.

Posted by: too soon at March 25, 2015 10:04 PM (t2aeH)

753 Crap. Forgot to shed Lefty nic...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 25, 2015 10:04 PM (F2IAQ)

754

Airbus is the Peugot of large aircraft.

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 10:05 PM (ko4zy)

755
Only one blog offers readers informed technical speculation on aviation disasters AND bizarre Japanese pizza combos, in one thread.

Magnificent.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 25, 2015 10:05 PM (afQnV)

756
Renault?

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 10:05 PM (ko4zy)

757 Maybe the pilot deliberately plowed the aircraft into a mountain range to prevent a greater catastrophe in a major metropolitan area? Nah.

Posted by: Fritz at March 25, 2015 10:05 PM (ty633)

758
Actually I got addicted to those shrimp chips.



Shrimp chips are awesome. And I'm a fan of the Calbee potato chips. I don't know what's in their flavoring, but it's legal crack.

Huh, wonder if they do kettle chips with that ... ?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 10:05 PM (0NdlF)

759 Fiat?

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 10:05 PM (b4JMJ)

760 This must be what the Space Age is like.

It's almost like Gattaca!

Posted by: Jude Law in a wheelchair at March 25, 2015 10:06 PM (olRSa)

761
I can't get over FIAT making a return to the American car market. Don't we have enough junk cars here?

Hyundai. Scion. Kia.

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 10:06 PM (ko4zy)

762 Yeah. It really is. That handsome young man is George Peppard, b 1928.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 10:04 PM (+azJs)


yeah I knew it was George Peppard. I just didn't think it was that old, but I looked it up. 1966...man. The first time I saw it was in the 70's, but I was young. I had no clue it was from the 60's.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 25, 2015 10:07 PM (FMbng)

763 756
Renault?

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 10:05 PM (ko4zy)





Airbus Robin with three wheels. Yes.

Posted by: Pocket Trout at March 25, 2015 10:07 PM (jHvcP)

764 I hope they all go home at night and weep, rend their clothes, and drink heavily.

I know I do.
Posted by: free tibet, et. at March 25, 2015 09:35

LOL, I was just gonna say that.

Really how do these amoral pricks sleep at night? Well, maybe the drinking heavily covers that.

Posted by: Farmer at March 25, 2015 10:08 PM (o/90i)

765 "I cannot imagine a suicidal jihadi at the controls
just coasting into a mountain, not with all those tempting cities
scattered all over europe. I'm guessing an incapacitation like from a
broken window."
Posted by: Storm Saxon's Gall Bladder

Once the other pilot started hamming on the door, his options to find a large city anywhere close by were shot.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at March 25, 2015 10:08 PM (Wo9OY)

766 754: Fiat with Lucas electronics.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 25, 2015 10:08 PM (ucDmr)

767 "Which might explain why the descent wasn't as steep as it could have been."

Yeah, that part was bugging me. If I wanted to kill everyone on a plane I'd put it into a steep dive until the wings came off, so I was thinking it was a point against a deliberate crash. Guess not.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 10:08 PM (+azJs)

768
New From Pizza Hut Japan

The Yokubari 4, which would loosely translate as the I Want It All 4

A. Korean Bulgogi Beef
B. Melty Camembert Cheese
C. Potato Mayonnaise
D. Cheese Cheese, with what looks like tomatoes there

www.eataku.com/post/23102322171/new-from-pizza-hut-japan

Imagine a couple of slices of Bulgogi and Camembert coming back up.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 25, 2015 10:08 PM (kdS6q)

769 So while we're in ONT lite mode I have a vent/ cultural observation.

No one knows how to write a damn resume anymore. My husband's company is hiring writers and he's getting the applications. Aside from terrible formatting, useless information, and grammar errors, each application has said some version of the following:

"I am very interested in the open position at your company. I am a good fit for the open position because blah blah generic blah"

Dudes. How hard is it to spend the extra 5 minutes to put in the name of the company and the position you're actually applying for into your generic form letter?

Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 10:08 PM (upbPV)

770 "Hammering" GD it...

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at March 25, 2015 10:08 PM (Wo9OY)

771 OK, KFC Japan is just wacko:

They have some smart phone coupon campaign going. The website for the campaign is everything you think it would be.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 25, 2015 10:08 PM (JBzwC)

772
Fiat is Italian, oui?

Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 10:08 PM (ko4zy)

773
Wait, we talking about The Blue Max?

"then you will have the satisfaction of knowing you have served the Fatherland" - only line I remember

And one, oddly enough, that at least two real-life experiences brought to mind, many years after I saw the movie on the tube as a kid.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 25, 2015 10:08 PM (afQnV)

774 You know how I know you're gay?

Of all the people in The Blue Max to mention, you're yammering on about George Peppard.

Posted by: carefully-backlit Ursula Andress at March 25, 2015 10:09 PM (olRSa)

775 Saw this on twitter...no idea if the site linked is accurate:

http://tinyurl.com/nfsrq5q

Shows one of the pilot's name:

ANNING WONG ZBAA (1107082)

Posted by: Tami at March 25, 2015 10:09 PM (v0/PR)

776 Shrimp chips are awesome. And I'm a fan of the Calbee potato chips. I don't know what's in their flavoring, but it's legal crack.

Huh, wonder if they do kettle chips with that ... ?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 10:05 PM (0NdlF)

Legal Chip Crack. Which flavor?

Posted by: Pocket Trout at March 25, 2015 10:09 PM (jHvcP)

777 We don't get tested for "mental health and stability several times per year." The above statement is horse pocky. We have two "medicals" per year to maintain a first class medical cert. Only one if your an FO. And you don't need the EKG if under 40. The only time psychiatrists are involved is for that bullshit Delta interview.

Posted by: Citation X driver at March 25, 2015 10:09 PM (Sqmjr)

778 I can't get over FIAT making a return to the American car market. Don't we have enough junk cars here?
-------------------

I'm still amused bye the Yugo. A Fiat design that could not make it, re-badged and built by a Yugoslavian/Serbian amalgam. What could go wrong?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 25, 2015 10:10 PM (F2IAQ)

779 We used to order the Sweep the Swamp pizza from Johnny's in Bossier City. It had crawfish and andouille on it. Good stuff.

Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 10:10 PM (ZKGnj)

780 WTF


Lufthansa says they are looking in to the NYT report

They don't already know about the Cockpit voice recorder

Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 10:10 PM (zOTsN)

781
weft, you know KFC is "traditional" "Christmas" fare in Japan, right? Actually a story of brilliant marketing - as applied to the world's strangest modern country, to be sure.

I love Japan. And Japanese I know agree it is in fact the weirdest f***ing modern country in the world.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 25, 2015 10:11 PM (afQnV)

782 Lufthansa gets their info about airplanes from crappy American Newspapers?

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 10:11 PM (b4JMJ)

783 "You know how I know you're gay?

Of all the people in The Blue Max to mention, you're yammering on about George Peppard. "

Dude. I was, like, seven when I saw it. Girls didn't matter to me then. And then they did. Sadly, now they don't again.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 10:12 PM (+azJs)

784 748
Japanese Pizza

#3 is called "Curry German" and has potato, bacon, tuna, onions, corn and curry sauce.

#15 is called "Hot Dog Pizza" and has cabbage, wieners, scrambled eggs and tomato ketchup.

http://blog.greggman.com/blog/japanese_pizza/
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 25, 2015 10:03 PM (kdS6q)



Japan: Nuked too much or not enough?

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 10:12 PM (sdi6R)

785 Hawaiian fascination with Spam? Myth or reality. Its time we settle this once and for all.

Posted by: cm9000 at March 25, 2015 10:12 PM (8zCR+)

786 "All quiet on the western front? I have Merriman Ave. under control.

Posted by: Dedicated Lefty"

Well, if we can keep people from killing themselves in accidents on this highway out here. I missed that accident on Leicester by only a minute or so. Fire trucks went screaming past me as I was making the turn off Patton.

And it's only going to get worse. We have about 400 or so new apartments getting ready to open up just down the road from me. Parking at the Ingles grocery is almost to a breaking point as it is.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at March 25, 2015 10:12 PM (Wo9OY)

787 I don't think the Wong thing is right. Look at the graphs. Doesn't have him flying for German Wings. Plus Lufthansa said the pilots worked for them for 10 years

Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 10:13 PM (zOTsN)

788 270 Also, pilots are saying that the CNN expert is full of it. Flight attendants DO NOT enter the cockpit if one pilot goes out.


Umm yeah they do actually. you're the one that said we get mental tests several times per year. wrong again

Posted by: Citation X driver at March 25, 2015 10:13 PM (Sqmjr)

789 270 Also, pilots are saying that the CNN expert is full of it. Flight attendants DO NOT enter the cockpit if one pilot goes out.


Umm yeah they do actually. you're the one that said we get mental tests several times per year. wrong again

Posted by: Citation X driver at March 25, 2015 10:13 PM (Sqmjr)

790 Choosey terrorists choose Airbus.

Posted by: knaws at March 25, 2015 10:13 PM (LonH4)

791 Legal Chip Crack. Which flavor?

Think it's the hot and spicy. Sort of a BBQ with some kick. Haven't had them in a while, I should hit up the local Asian markets.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 10:14 PM (0NdlF)

792 Nuked not enough?

https://youtu.be/8Ou9sHWfnWk

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 10:14 PM (VpkjW)

793 George Peppard was also in "Breakfast at Tiffany's"


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at March 25, 2015 10:14 PM (V70Uh)

794 weft, you know KFC is "traditional" "Christmas" fare in Japan, right? Actually a story of brilliant marketing - as applied to the world's strangest modern country, to be sure.

Posted by: rhomboid


yes, I was so wigged out learning that I forced my friends to help make a true Xmas dinner for our co-workers and order a frozen turkey via mail.

Get this; no residential abode in japan has an oven big enough to cook turkeys. We eventually had to rent a commercial oven to cook it.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 25, 2015 10:14 PM (JBzwC)

795 Are American an European cockpit procedures the same?

Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 10:15 PM (zOTsN)

796 "If you had Psaki's job you'd take every mirror out of the house."

Too late.

Posted by: Psaki's Shattered Mirror at March 25, 2015 10:16 PM (1qAJ1)

797 787 I don't think the Wong thing is right. Look at the graphs. Doesn't have him flying for German Wings. Plus Lufthansa said the pilots worked for them for 10 years

Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 10:13 PM (zOTsN)


Isn't the flight # (9525) correct though?

Posted by: Tami at March 25, 2015 10:16 PM (v0/PR)

798 "Shrimp chips are awesome. And I'm a fan of the Calbee potato chips. I
don't know what's in their flavoring, but it's legal crack.



Huh, wonder if they do kettle chips with that ... ?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster"

Jyagarito potato strings. My Mother in law sends them over in packages every few months, along with CC Lemon drinks and Dekavita vitamin drink.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at March 25, 2015 10:16 PM (Wo9OY)

799 And it's only going to get worse. We have about 400 or so new apartments getting ready to open up just down the road from me. Parking at the Ingles grocery is almost to a breaking point as it is.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert
------------------------------------

We know what is best for you..., so STFU, and sit down.

Posted by: Buncombe County Commission at March 25, 2015 10:16 PM (F2IAQ)

800 If I find out which one of you people ate all the roasted garlic triscuits & put the empty box back in the pantry...well, we are going to have harsh words.

Harsh.Words.

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 25, 2015 10:16 PM (KCxzN)

801 Are American an European cockpit procedures the same?
Posted by: Thunder B


Phrasing!!!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 25, 2015 10:16 PM (JBzwC)

802 "ANNING WONG ZBAA"

ZBAA is the airport.

http://inagist.com/all/580902317676843008/

He was from Malaysia. It's a majority muslim country, but the name would make him Chinese, not Malay, and most likely Buddhist.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 10:16 PM (+azJs)

803 696
"What would Randolph Scott do?"

*Angelic Chorus* "RAN-DOLF SCOTT!"

Posted by: Sheriff Bart at March 25, 2015 10:17 PM (E7Iyp)

804 @ ThunderB

Callsign seems to match
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525

And the data shows the flight never arrived.

Nationality of the pilot and previous flight history seems odd, but I know little about standard practices of commercial aviation.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 10:17 PM (0NdlF)

805 Too late.
Posted by: Psaki's Shattered Mirror
---------------

Such a wasted opportunity

Posted by: Psaki's Pshattered Mirror at March 25, 2015 10:18 PM (F2IAQ)

806 "I don't think the Wong thing is right. Look at the
graphs. Doesn't have him flying for German Wings. Plus Lufthansa
said the pilots worked for them for 10 years

Posted by: Thunder B"

Well, as we all know, two Wong's don't make it right!

Sorry, I couldn't help it.....

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at March 25, 2015 10:18 PM (Wo9OY)

807 I don't know. Any asshole could dummy up a pie chart .

Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 10:19 PM (zOTsN)

808 Here is one online place that shows the history of this flight. Including the incident flight that, if I am reading this correctly, on the day of the accident left Barcelona 26 minutes late.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GWI9525/history/20150324/0835ZZ/LEBL/EDDL

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 10:19 PM (VpkjW)

809 Hawaiian fascination with Spam? Myth or reality. Its time we settle this once and for all.



Posted by: cm9000

spam musabi on every counter at every quicki mart.

eggs benedict w/ spam

ramen noodles w/ spam

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 25, 2015 10:19 PM (NaeCR)

810 396
I don't understand why people are saying -4000'/minute isnt abnormally fast.

I just did a little googling and the normal rate for descent for airliners is 3000-3500 fpm.

So this plane was in excess of 'normal' descent-to-land attitude. Not much but probably enough for the passengers to feel hampered by the increase G-force.


it's not that fast. a bit excessive for normal ops? Yes. Some of the moron aviators on here can relate when I say if ATC is late giving a crossing restriction...say...on the LVZ arrival into Teterboro then Yes....sometimes you're going down that fast. It's not that hard for the Citation X to perform like that. Throw in a nice tailwind and the feet per minute is even more to compensate and make that restriction.

Posted by: Citation X driver at March 25, 2015 10:19 PM (Sqmjr)

811 In before: "The pilot's nickname was "Sum Ting."

Posted by: Country Singer at March 25, 2015 10:19 PM (nL0sw)

812 Anna ....... tsk, tsk

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 25, 2015 10:20 PM (F2IAQ)

813 Plus it makes me think of "we tu lo"

Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 10:20 PM (zOTsN)

814 OT but looks like LO:SVU is doing a rip on the UVA fake rape case next week. I'm sure they'll handle it well.

Posted by: tdpwells at March 25, 2015 10:20 PM (iWSm4)

815 He was from Malaysia. It's a majority muslim country, but the name would make him Chinese, not Malay, and most likely Buddhist.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 10:16 PM (+azJs)

IF it is the correct name, we still don't know if he was the one locked out or not.

Posted by: Tami at March 25, 2015 10:21 PM (v0/PR)

816 "Hawaiian fascination with Spam? Myth or reality."


Reality. No question.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 10:21 PM (+azJs)

817 What's wrong Mike?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 10:21 PM (VpkjW)

818 Do they really drink spam in the summer?

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 10:22 PM (b4JMJ)

819 That had to be a really, *really*, bad eight minutes for the passengers and crew.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 25, 2015 10:22 PM (F2IAQ)

820 "IF it is the correct name, we still don't know if he was the one locked out or not."

That's true.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 25, 2015 10:22 PM (+azJs)

821 "spam musabi on every counter at every quicki mart.

eggs benedict w/ spam

ramen noodles w/ spam


Posted by: Burnt Toast"

-----------------------------------------------------------

Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam,baked beans spam.

Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Wonderful Spam! Wonderful Spam!

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at March 25, 2015 10:22 PM (Wo9OY)

822 "Hawaiian fascination with Spam? Myth or reality."



They and the Brits. Got it bad.



Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 10:22 PM (I8yfx)

823 What's wrong Mike?
Posted by: Anna
-----------------

Blown-out margins at 808

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 25, 2015 10:23 PM (F2IAQ)

824 I heard an interesting thing about the A320. The flight controls are not synched. In other words, one pilot could be pulling up on the joystick putting the plane into a climb, and the other could be pushing forward on the joystick to put the plane into a dive. They cancel each other out.
One of the contributing factors on the Air France flight that crashed into the Atlantic was that they believe the pitot tube froze up and was giving false information to the flight crew. The pilots were trying to get the plane to climb, not realizing that they were in a stall condition right up until the aircraft pancaked into the ocean.
I can't buy the broken windscreen scenario because the noise in the cockpit would have been enormous. I can't buy the heart attack scenario either. The joysticks are offset from midline.
It appears to be a controlled descent at about 4,000 fpm, at about 400 knots. I don't know enough about the A320 to know if the computers would not let the pilot put a plane into a power dive. I would guess so because these planes are not designed to withstand the stresses at supersonic speed.

Posted by: Old Blue at March 25, 2015 10:23 PM (9iR5/)

825 Oooppss?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 10:23 PM (VpkjW)

826 I've never had spam before. I'm a little curious, I have to admit.

Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 10:23 PM (upbPV)

827 Bill Cunningham was a radio guy who lost his gig for being 'racist' against Obama at a McCain rally. Or am I misremembering it?
Posted by: cm9000


Billy Cunningham is on WLW every wwekday from 12 to 3 pm. I sometimes listen to him on the radio at lunch. Like today, for instance.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative.....after 5 pm at March 25, 2015 10:24 PM (+1T7c)

828 Bill Cunningham was a radio guy who lost his gig for being 'racist' against Obama at a McCain rally. Or am I misremembering it?
Posted by: cm9000


Billy Cunningham is on WLW every wwekday from 12 to 3 pm. I sometimes listen to him on the radio at lunch. Like today, for instance.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative.....after 5 pm at March 25, 2015 10:24 PM (+1T7c)

829 "What would Randolph Scott do?"

*Angelic Chorus* "RAN-DOLF SCOTT!"
Posted by: Sheriff Bart at March 25, 2015 10:17 PM


Tex Ritter's gone & Disney's dead & the screen is filled with sex

Posted by: Harold from The Statler Brothers at March 25, 2015 10:24 PM (KCxzN)

830 Let's uh not jump to uh conclusions. Let's uh wait for the uh facts to come out. Uh.

Posted by: Barack H. Obama, King at March 25, 2015 10:24 PM (jHvcP)

831 Lauren - It's one of those curiosities that you should stifle.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 25, 2015 10:25 PM (F2IAQ)

832 "Hawaiian fascination with Spam? Myth or reality."

They make a ramen-type of soup with it called Saimin. It's so popular that McDonald's has it on their menu, and it was the first ethnic offering in its history.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 25, 2015 10:25 PM (Y92Nd)

833 Tried to pick up some deviled ham the other day at the store. Couldn't find it. Wasn't with the other potted meat.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 10:25 PM (I8yfx)

834 Coming soon from Vivid Entertainment:

I am Curious (Spam)

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 25, 2015 10:26 PM (JO9+V)

835 I've never had spam before. I'm a little curious, I have to admit.

Posted by: Lauren


first, try "potted meat food product" so you have a good baseline to go by,.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 25, 2015 10:26 PM (NaeCR)

836 Rice noodles in chicken soup + spam slivers.

Diced spam (or ham) and snow peas in macaroni with chicken broth.

Love those dishes.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 10:26 PM (0NdlF)

837 Sum Ting Wong's smarter brother.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 10:26 PM (b4JMJ)

838 *pauses*

Fifty Flavors of Spam

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 10:26 PM (VpkjW)

839 "It's one of those curiosities that you should stifle."


SPAM ain't so bad. It may taste shit, but, you can live on it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 10:27 PM (I8yfx)

840 Ricardo - Underwood? Hard to believe...
I must have consumed hundreds of deviled ham sandwiches as a kid. It may explain why am here at this place. Some sort of diet-related malfunction.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 25, 2015 10:28 PM (F2IAQ)

841 Oh well.

Night all. Need to tackle some writing and rewriting.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 25, 2015 10:28 PM (VpkjW)

842 Though do note that both those dishes dilute the saltiness with soup.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 10:28 PM (0NdlF)

843 Anna - Pen well.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 25, 2015 10:28 PM (F2IAQ)

844 try the deli section, Ricardo

I once proposed "meat from cans" as a theme for a communal cube-farm lunch, but I was vetoed

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 25, 2015 10:29 PM (KCxzN)

845 I do love tube shaped meat. Potted or not.

Posted by: Barack H. Obama, King at March 25, 2015 10:29 PM (jHvcP)

846 I'd go with door number 2 on this. If it were a suicidal/homicidal pilot, it would have been a steep dive, the better to get to the ground before anybody could correct and possibly rip off the wings so nobody could correct.

Posted by: steveegg at March 25, 2015 10:29 PM (cL79m)

847 Fifty Flavors of Spam
Posted by: Anna Puma


Now that would be funneh.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 25, 2015 10:29 PM (JBzwC)

848 SPAM ain't so bad. It may taste shit, but, you can live on it.
Posted by: Ricardo
----------------

True. There is an infinity of difference between *some* food, and *no* food.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 25, 2015 10:29 PM (F2IAQ)

849 The pilots don't have keys for the cockpit door?

This is amazing to me that no one till now never thought to
correct this?

I guess 129 people's families will soon change that.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 25, 2015 10:30 PM (zRby/)

850 "Underwood? Hard to believe..."


I swear I've tripped over it at the grocery store a hundred times when I wasn't looking for it.

Want some? Couldn't find.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 10:30 PM (I8yfx)

851 Spam is just ham.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 25, 2015 10:30 PM (MMC8r)

852 SPAM ain't so bad. It may taste shit, but, you can live on it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 10:27 PM


grilled SPAM & cheese sammiches are one of my guilty pleasures

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 25, 2015 10:30 PM (KCxzN)

853 Behind the Spam Door

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 25, 2015 10:30 PM (JO9+V)

854 *back, can't sleep*

Hawaiians are famous for their Spam love.

Wonder if the JEF loves Spam?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 10:31 PM (FsuaD)

855 Spam Donor.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 10:31 PM (b4JMJ)

856 Thanks for the answers on Hawaii and Spam, Imma rate this one as true.

Posted by: cm9000 at March 25, 2015 10:31 PM (8zCR+)

857 It may taste shit, but, you can live on it.

Hold on, let me write this down.

Posted by: Don Draper at March 25, 2015 10:31 PM (olRSa)

858 To add a little more to my previous post. If the aircraft had been in a stall configuration, the CVR would have recorded the stall warning.
One question I do have is that don't most modern aircraft have a ground collision avoidance warning from radar?

Posted by: Old Blue at March 25, 2015 10:32 PM (9iR5/)

859 To add a little more to my previous post. If the aircraft had been in a stall configuration, the CVR would have recorded the stall warning.
One question I do have is that don't most modern aircraft have a ground collision avoidance warning from radar? Would that have been heard on the CVR?

Posted by: Old Blue at March 25, 2015 10:32 PM (9iR5/)

860 Commenters at the NYT keep asking why data is not transmitted directly to the Cloud rather than to the little destructible box.

What difference would it make?? Do they think jets will fly off to pluck the souls on board out of the sky?

Of course, they completely discounted terrorism.

Terrorism does not exist; data will save us.

Posted by: PJ at March 25, 2015 10:33 PM (cHuNI)

861 "Hawaiian fascination with Spam? Myth or reality."
----
Tastes like long pig.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at March 25, 2015 10:33 PM (KH1sk)

862 >>>first, try "potted meat food product" so you have a good baseline to go by,.<<<

If you ever go camping/hiking into the middle of nowhere, potted meat is one of the finest things you can take with you, if you're not one of those lunatic mountain men wannabees who like foraging for grubs, larvae, and pika shit.

Posted by: Fritz at March 25, 2015 10:33 PM (ty633)

863 I know all of you hate the Owl Cam, but I'm near tears over the lonely baby owl left alone on the nest, now that Mom, Dad, and Oldest Owlet are gone.

No food for baby owl. It's been crying.

And damn you idiot morons for mocking!

*sobs*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 10:33 PM (FsuaD)

864 SPAM: it's better than nothing

Posted by: Ted Cruz at March 25, 2015 10:33 PM (KCxzN)

865 Spam is just ham.>>>

Spam is Spiced Ham hence the name.

Posted by: Robinson at March 25, 2015 10:33 PM (W2Cji)

866 If the names of the pilots continue to be withheld by the media, you'll know that they're protecting the narrative of "muslims good, white Christian males bad"

Posted by: kbdabear at March 25, 2015 10:34 PM (GrXXa)

867 Wonder if the JEF loves Spam?


Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 10:31 PM (FsuaD)


Sounds like he probably had it as a kid.

Posted by: cm9000 at March 25, 2015 10:34 PM (8zCR+)

868 Commenters at the NYT keep asking why data is not transmitted directly to the Cloud rather than to the little destructible box.
-------------------------

Idiots. How the hell is it supposed to get to the cloud? Tech-spoiled pygmies.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 25, 2015 10:34 PM (F2IAQ)

869 "Hold on, let me write this down.

Posted by: Don Draper"




Wait, asshole, I want a royalty on that.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 10:34 PM (I8yfx)

870 I've never had spam before. I'm a little curious, I have to admit.

Posted by: Lauren


Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party, Komrade?

That's like admitting that you've never had deviled eggs or PB&J.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 25, 2015 10:34 PM (S7Zlw)

871 American Pizza -- No Corn!

Keep it in champagne, where it belongs!

Posted by: Steve Kroft at March 25, 2015 10:35 PM (FcR7P)

872 Saint Vlad had an answer to this problem.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 10:35 PM (b4JMJ)

873 Wonder if the JEF loves Spam?


I do not recall JEF ever demonstrating any knowledge of ever being in Hawaii (despite his frequent visits as POtuS), granted there are pics allegedly of his once being in Hawaii, and I think two people there who claimed to have seen him there.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 25, 2015 10:35 PM (NaeCR)

874 When Obama is arrested for treason and incarcerated wherever, we can demand he live off Spam, right?

*laughs maniacally*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 10:35 PM (FsuaD)

875 What are, words that start with an M, for $1000 Alex?

Posted by: People Corp at March 25, 2015 10:35 PM (TzeLs)

876
Wonder if the JEF loves Spam?
Posted by: Jane D'oh



Can't eat pork, IYKWIM.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 25, 2015 10:35 PM (kdS6q)

877 Alternate theory: global warming caused the crash.

Posted by: TallDave at March 25, 2015 10:35 PM (bgGGN)

878 846
I'd go with door number 2 on this. If it were a suicidal/homicidal
pilot, it would have been a steep dive, the better to get to the ground
before anybody could correct and possibly rip off the wings so nobody
could correct.

Posted by: steveegg at March 25, 2015 10:29 PM (cL79m)
-------I'm not totally sure, but I think the flight controls on the A320 will not allow that to happen. In that kind of power dive, you'd go supersonic, and the plane is not designed for those stresses.

Posted by: Old Blue at March 25, 2015 10:35 PM (9iR5/)

879 spam nachos. There's a bar in Anchorage. Not as bad as you'd think

Posted by: Yip at March 25, 2015 10:36 PM (84SRe)

880 "And damn you idiot morons for mocking!"


Can somebody go get the little thing?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 10:36 PM (I8yfx)

881 Aning Wong has a facebook. She's a lady

Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 10:36 PM (zOTsN)

882 So that would be the Wong Fu?

Posted by: JarvisW at March 25, 2015 10:37 PM (E7Iyp)

883 If rovin yu is Wong, I don't want to be right.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 10:37 PM (b4JMJ)

884 Wonder if the JEF loves Spam?>>>

Does anyone name their dog Spam?

Posted by: Robinson at March 25, 2015 10:37 PM (W2Cji)

885 Can somebody go get the little thing?
Posted by: Ricardo
-------------------------------

I'm thinking about it.

Posted by: A Hawk at March 25, 2015 10:37 PM (F2IAQ)

886 Can somebody go get the little thing?


Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 10:36 PM (I8yfx)


Wear heavy leather gloves. And a mask.


It can be the mascot of AoSHQ. We can name it. And train it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 10:38 PM (FsuaD)

887 I can save him!

Posted by: Sniffles at March 25, 2015 10:38 PM (E7Iyp)

888 863
I know all of you hate the Owl Cam, but I'm near tears over the lonely
baby owl left alone on the nest, now that Mom, Dad, and Oldest Owlet are
gone.
--------
Oldest owl hasn't come back yet? I was watching earlier and he flew away, but I figured that he'd be back. Mom had just been with both a little earlier.

Posted by: Old Blue at March 25, 2015 10:39 PM (9iR5/)

889 No food for baby owl. It's been crying.

And damn you idiot morons for mocking!

*sobs*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 10:33 PM (FsuaD)

This is why I'm always afraid to watch the live cams, wildlife is never pretty.. poor little guy, I wish someone can save him

Posted by: spypeach at March 25, 2015 10:39 PM (/vbEv)

890
In the year 2025 we will be able to literally grow steaks from seedlings.

Imagine a...steak farm. Rows and rows and t-bones sprouting from the ground.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky futuristic predictions at March 25, 2015 10:39 PM (ko4zy)

891 824 Old Blue's Analysis

Great take. Decompression would be noisy. I was wondering about the heart attack possibility myself. Slumping forward onto the stick? terrorism/suicide, however, seems most likely.

Posted by: My Sisters' Brother at March 25, 2015 10:39 PM (g2ZH7)

892 "Does anyone name their dog Spam?"


Never heard it but that's kinda a good name for a dog.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 10:39 PM (I8yfx)

893 Rhomboid's theory is what first came to my mind, fwiw.

Posted by: FireHorse at March 25, 2015 10:39 PM (r+LOT)

894 The little owlet is damned near as large as the mom. Hasn't figured out how to fly yet. It has huge talons and wings.

I say we capture and train it.

Not for anything evil, of course.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 10:40 PM (FsuaD)

895 890 Eh, our farm is MUCH better!

Posted by: Spinal Tap at March 25, 2015 10:40 PM (E7Iyp)

896 Spam Gouda and Pineapple Ring Sandwich smashed in a panini maker.

Posted by: Pocket Trout at March 25, 2015 10:40 PM (jHvcP)

897
in reality, however, 2025 will be the year that Herr Clinton is required to step down from office..

and we will be a poor, suffering nation of peons

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky futuristic predictions at March 25, 2015 10:40 PM (ko4zy)

898 "It can be the mascot of AoSHQ. We can name it. And train it."


Mongo the Owl.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 10:41 PM (I8yfx)

899 "Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party, Komrade? "

Ha. Almost. My mom was a Colorado health nut.

As a child I thought microwaved grape nuts were a breakfast treat.


Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 10:41 PM (upbPV)

900 To add a little more to my previous post. If the aircraft had been in a stall configuration, the CVR would have recorded the stall warning
One question I do have is that don't most modern aircraft have a ground collision avoidance warning from radar? Would that have been heard on the CVR?

Posted by: Old Blue at March 25, 2015 10:32 PM (9iR5/)


Yep.

Posted by: steveegg at March 25, 2015 10:41 PM (cL79m)

901 Candygram for Mongo!!

Posted by: Sheriff Bart at March 25, 2015 10:41 PM (E7Iyp)

902 We can love him and pet him and call him George.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 25, 2015 10:41 PM (JO9+V)

903

Wait.

What the...? Are you guys talking about spam?? In here???

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky futuristic predictions at March 25, 2015 10:42 PM (ko4zy)

904 Mongo. I like, Ricardo.

Actually, "MONGO LIKE!"

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 10:42 PM (FsuaD)

905 Didn't read the whole thread, but I heard that some pilot forum somewhere has the pilot's names. Anyone here at teh horde got anything on that?

Posted by: LawLurker at March 25, 2015 10:42 PM (t3Fd4)

906 "Not for anything evil, of course."


Oh, no. Of course not.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 10:42 PM (I8yfx)

907 No food for baby owl. It's been crying.


A tweet from the site 27 minutes ago says that "One owlet flew high in the tree but one remains on the nest. Parents will continue to feed them both! "

I think little owlet will live.

Maybe.

*hides from crazy eyes*

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 10:42 PM (0NdlF)

908 heh... no but I did have a dog we named MEAT.

Posted by: Bronco Bama at March 25, 2015 10:43 PM (84SRe)

909 Great. The AoSHQ Air Force. What could go wrong?

Posted by: A Hawk at March 25, 2015 10:43 PM (F2IAQ)

910 Mongo the Owl. So shall it be.

Now, who is to climb up the tree and capture it for training?

*looks all around*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 10:43 PM (FsuaD)

911 890
In the year 2025 we will be able to literally grow steaks from seedlings.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky futuristic predictions at March 25, 2015 10:39 PM (ko4zy)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic


Oh, never mind. I thought you said 2525.

Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 10:43 PM (sdi6R)

912 Great. The AoSHQ Air Force. What could go wrong?

Both pilots outside hitting on the stewardess?

Posted by: t-bird at March 25, 2015 10:44 PM (FcR7P)

913 Mongo the Owl cheddar cheese and tomato sandwich smashed into a panini maker.

Posted by: Pocket Trout at March 25, 2015 10:44 PM (jHvcP)

914 734 people watching Owl Cam.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 10:44 PM (b4JMJ)

915 Didn't read the whole thread, but I heard that some
pilot forum somewhere has the pilot's names. Anyone here at teh horde
got anything on that?

Posted by: LawLurker at March 25, 2015 10:42 PM (t3Fd4)


What is that forum?

Posted by: cm9000 at March 25, 2015 10:45 PM (8zCR+)

916 We had a retired Greyhound (dog, assholes, not a bus) named 'Crazy'...., because...., crazy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 25, 2015 10:45 PM (F2IAQ)

917 Both pilots outside hitting on the stewardess?


And many satisfied auto pilots.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 10:45 PM (0NdlF)

918 Oh, never mind. I thought you said 2525.

If man is still alive? I just got here so never mind me why is this still up?



Posted by: eleven at March 25, 2015 10:46 PM (MDgS8)

919 I had a Train called Crazy..

Posted by: Ozzy Ozbourne at March 25, 2015 10:46 PM (E7Iyp)

920 I say we capture and train it.

Not for anything evil, of course.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 10:40 PM (FsuaD)
---
Wasn't a killer owl terrorizing a small town in Europe? Maybe we can train Mongo "Death from Above" Owlstein to drone our enemies. **rubs hands gleefully**

Posted by: All Hail Eris at March 25, 2015 10:46 PM (KH1sk)

921 "
heh... no but I did have a dog we named MEAT."


That, that wasn't his "name".....oh, forget about it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 10:46 PM (I8yfx)

922 Option #2 not a good one. If the pilot in the cockpit was incapacitated by a rapid decompression, the other pilot would have also been incapacitated and not able to bang on the door for more that about 30 seconds TUC [time of useful consciousness]. First off the flying pilot was supposed to be wearing the O2 mask when the other pilot left his seat. Second, if he was violating regulations and not wearing the mask, those masks are "quick-don" type and you can put them on in about 5 seconds; more than enough time to avoid hypoxia, even at FL380.

Posted by: TheOtherJay at March 25, 2015 10:46 PM (nojhZ)

923
In The Year 9595, I'm kinda wonderin if man is gonna be alive,

More like 2095..

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky futuristic predictions at March 25, 2015 10:47 PM (ko4zy)

924 Growing steaks from the ground would be awesome.

Why didn't God think of that?

Posted by: eleven at March 25, 2015 10:47 PM (MDgS8)

925 "*looks all around*

Well, if I was closer than, oh, 900 miles to Savannah, GA we'd go get the little terror.

What's Country Singer doing tonight?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 10:48 PM (I8yfx)

926 Both pilots outside hitting on the stewardess?
Posted by: t-bird
-----------------

AoSHQ One was found smashed into the ground today. Curiously, neither pilot was wearing pants, and there was a strong odor of cheap vodka at the crash site.

When contacted, AoSHQ said, "No comment"

Posted by: CNN at March 25, 2015 10:48 PM (F2IAQ)

927 Wasn't a killer owl terrorizing a small town in
Europe? Maybe we can train Mongo "Death from Above" Owlstein to drone
our enemies. **rubs hands gleefully**



Posted by: All Hail Eris at March 25, 2015 10:46 PM (KH1sk)


There have been reports of owls attacking people. These owls are Great Horned.


*shifty eyes* Not that I'd want any AoSHQ Trained Owls to dismember or severely injure any progs.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 10:48 PM (FsuaD)

928 Shoddy repairs? By Germans? Bollocks.

I mean, give them their due.

I've been smelling a RAT since the Government Numpties from All Nations Involved have been refusing to release the names of the pilots. How stupid do they think we are?

...Oh, wait

Posted by: Beverly at March 25, 2015 10:48 PM (C/Pcr)

929 I had a Train called Crazy..

Posted by: Ozzy Ozbourne at March 25, 2015 10:46 PM (E7Iyp)


Was it going off the rails?

Posted by: cm9000 at March 25, 2015 10:48 PM (8zCR+)

930 Hawaiian-Style Noodles In Soup With Spam: Saimin

4 cups chicken broth
2 cups water
2 tbsp fresh grated ginger
1 tbsp soy sauce
1 cup chopped Spam
1 cup sliced carrot
1/2 cup green peas
1/2 cup chopped scallions
8 oz fresh lo mein or ramen noodles, cooked, rinsed and drained

1. Put the chicken broth in a large pot with the water, ginger and soy sauce, and bring to a boil over high heat.

2. When it reaches a boil, add the Spam and carrot, reduce the heat to medium-low, and simmer covered, stirring occasionally until the carrot becomes tender, about 15 minutes.

3. Mix in the green peas and scallions, give the mixture a few stirs, remove from heat, set aside.

4. To assemble, put a portion of the noodles at the bottom of a large soup bowl and ladle half the broth and Spam mixture over it. Use the rest for a second serving. Separate the noodles with a fork to help coat them with broth.

Serve right away.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 25, 2015 10:48 PM (Y92Nd)

931 Growing steaks from the ground would be awesome.

Why didn't God think of that?


Free range meat. And you can take the meat with you.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 10:48 PM (0NdlF)

932 Posted by: My Sisters' Brother at March 25, 2015 10:39 PM (g2ZH7)
------
This is where the heart attack scenario falls apart. The A320 flight controls are not a conventional yoke like you're used to seeing in all the movies. The "joystick" is offset to either the left or right depending on which seat you're sitting in. So if the pilot suffered a debilitating heart attack and slumped forward, he probably wouldn't even touch the flight control. His head would just bang off the instrument panel.

Posted by: Old Blue at March 25, 2015 10:49 PM (9iR5/)

933 We need a variety of beefsteak tomato that really tastes like beefsteak.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at March 25, 2015 10:49 PM (KH1sk)

934 More like 2095..
Posted by: Soothsayer's
-----------------

2025

Posted by: CNN at March 25, 2015 10:49 PM (F2IAQ)

935 When it gets hungry enough it'll attempt to fly. It's not stupid. It doesn't like the idea of jumping out of a perfectly serviceable nest.

Plus once it can fly it'll have to go hunting and provide it's own food next.

There's no food stamps for owlets.

Yet.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 25, 2015 10:49 PM (zRby/)

936 The Owl turned more toward the camera.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 10:49 PM (b4JMJ)

937 929 Well, that's how it goes...

Posted by: Ozzy Ozbourne at March 25, 2015 10:50 PM (E7Iyp)

938 *shifty eyes* Not that I'd want any AoSHQ Trained Owls to dismember or severely injure any progs.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 10:48 PM (FsuaD)
---
A horde owl would just steal beers and snap bra straps.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at March 25, 2015 10:50 PM (KH1sk)

939 It would have been awesome if the Banana Splits had planes. Like the Banana Buggies but with wings, flying loop de loops and walking outside the cockpit and shit.

Posted by: Bruce Jenner's Plastic Vag at March 25, 2015 10:50 PM (ZgXPR)

940
Why didn't God think of that?

Well, He created eggplant, which when cooked with parmesan and marina sauce by Italian grammas can be quite good.

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky futuristic predictions at March 25, 2015 10:50 PM (ko4zy)

941 935
When it gets hungry enough it'll attempt to fly. It's not stupid. It
doesn't like the idea of jumping out of a perfectly serviceable nest.

Plus once it can fly it'll have to go hunting and provide it's own food next.

There's no food stamps for owlets.

Yet.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 25, 2015 10:49 PM (zRby/)



Thanks for killing my dream of the beginning of an Owl Attack Horde.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 10:50 PM (FsuaD)

942 "Yet."


Wait. I having some brainstorms here.

Posted by: Barry O. at March 25, 2015 10:51 PM (I8yfx)

943 **Bangs on HQ Door**

Unlock this thing and let the ONT in!

Posted by: Garrett at March 25, 2015 10:51 PM (YnCWt)

944 Posting from a pilot on PPrUNe: http://www.pprune.org/8917244-post827.html

This counters speculation about the FO passing out after the pilot left the cockpit:

The bewilderment of the Lufthansa CEO regarding this incident is telling.

There has been no mention of any faults being revealed via ACARS. If you cut back to AF447 they were referenced very early in the piece.

The Lufthansa CEO would be apprised very early by his own people if any hint of mechanical problems was evident. But nothing so far except extreme bewilderment.

The aircraft was travelling at excessive speed; in excess of VMO. That is acceptable if you are on fire and heading for Nice or somewhere like that. This aircraft remained on track.

Travelling in excess of VMO in a A320 disconnects the AP and triggers the high speed protections which pitch the aircraft up. This aircraft did not pitch up. Which probably means it was being over-ridden by whomever was flying it.

That raises the possibility that the aircraft was hand flown all the way down.

That is ok if you are trying to get to an airport quickly but this aircraft stayed on track and headed directly for the Alps.

This aircraft did not capture any altitudes. Either the descent altitude was set below 6000 feet on the FCU; unlikely but it could have been done in error for the initial descent, or it was being hand flown.

Pulling open des on an emergency descent, provided a lower altitude is set in the FCU, in cruise engages the speed mode which would have captured the cruise mach, which then would have crossed-over to an IAS somewhere on descent. The autothrust commands IDLE and the selected speed is controlled by the elevators.
Therefore only way to achieve max speed is if someone sets it there. There is no reason to do so, and you certainly don't deliberately fly in excess of VMO. The high speed protections would be fighting against you.

Barring some sort of irrecoverable autoflight glitch, the foul play aspect will be increasingly looked at."

Posted by: praecisio at March 25, 2015 10:52 PM (xFZkJ)

945

I asked yesterday if you remember the messenger girls from Banana Splits.

??

Posted by: Soothsayer's wacky futuristic predictions at March 25, 2015 10:52 PM (ko4zy)

946 I blame Ted Cruz for starving the Owls!

Posted by: Lamestream Media Betters at March 25, 2015 10:52 PM (E7Iyp)

947 It should eat some moths.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 10:52 PM (b4JMJ)

948 They're getting tricky. They don't yell Allah Snackbar as much these days while committing their acts of martyrdumb.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 25, 2015 10:52 PM (zRby/)

949 ONT up, Corgis.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 10:52 PM (0NdlF)

950 Any further speculation on this crash is pointless. Until or unless the NY Times exclusive is debunked or confirmed. Pilot locking cabin door in way to preclude code-pad to get back in AND a unannounced descent... Kinda tough to square this one without intent. Hopefully France and or Germany will spill the beans early in the morning...

Posted by: Yip at March 25, 2015 10:52 PM (84SRe)

951 Someone here will have a great recipe for owl veal.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 25, 2015 10:52 PM (Du4AU)

952 Free range meat.
-------
Yeah, that whole free range chicken thing cracks me up. I don't ever remember reading any old Indian (feather not dot) tales of giant herds of chickens roaming the range.

Posted by: Old Blue at March 25, 2015 10:52 PM (9iR5/)

953 Well, He created eggplant, which when cooked with parmesan and marina sauce by Italian grammas can be quite good.


See......that's the thing about eggplant.

If an Italian grammy ain't cooking it, it tastes like turd with tomato sauce.

Posted by: eleven at March 25, 2015 10:52 PM (MDgS8)

954 943
**Bangs on HQ Door**



Unlock this thing and let the ONT in!

Posted by: Garrett at March 25, 2015 10:51 PM (YnCWt)


*HQ crashes into mountainside* *nothing remains but pron and desperation*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 10:52 PM (FsuaD)

955 Charlie the Owl from New Zoo Revue should have hung out with the Splits. fuck Freddie

Posted by: Bruce Jenner's Plastic Vag at March 25, 2015 10:53 PM (ZgXPR)

956 -------I'm not totally sure, but I think the flight controls on the A320 will not allow that to happen. In that kind of power dive, you'd go supersonic, and the plane is not designed for those stresses.

Posted by: Old Blue at March 25, 2015 10:35 PM (9iR5/)


One would have thought that alternating maximum-deflection movements of the rudder on the A320 family wouldn't be allowed by the computers...until that brought down an American Airlines flight in 2001.

Posted by: steveegg at March 25, 2015 10:53 PM (cL79m)

957 Release the ONT Owl Flotilla!

Posted by: All Hail Eris at March 25, 2015 10:53 PM (KH1sk)

958 945 they weren't messengers per-say.

They were members of a rival gang, The Sour Grapes.

And at age 8 they made me feel all funny... Like when I climb the rope in gym class...

Posted by: Garth Algar at March 25, 2015 10:53 PM (E7Iyp)

959 ONT

Posted by: Barry O. at March 25, 2015 10:54 PM (I8yfx)

960 932 Old Blue

Thanks for the follow-up. Now, politically speaking, how long will the authorities wait to announce the obvious conclusion (suicide/terrorism) they have already reached?

Posted by: My Sisters' Brother at March 25, 2015 10:54 PM (g2ZH7)

961 >>>943 **Bangs on HQ Door**
Unlock this thing and let the ONT in!

Sure, buddy, the door will open soon, inshallah.

ALOHA SNACKBAR!!!

Posted by: Pilot of undetermined religious beliefs at March 25, 2015 10:55 PM (e+1S5)

962 951 Someone here will have a great recipe for owl veal.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 25, 2015 10:52 PM (Du4AU)




I posted a great owl sandwich, horned, horny, or hordeing will work.

Posted by: Pocket Trout at March 25, 2015 10:55 PM (jHvcP)

963 AoSHQ Air Force!

(Which "VR" is the rotation speed and which one's the Valu-Rite?)

Posted by: FireHorse at March 25, 2015 10:55 PM (r+LOT)

964 It does look like one of the pilots was Anning Wong, a Malaysian.

Note to self: do not get on a plane that is even remotely connected to Malaysia.

From what I can tell, Anning is a female name. Someone with the same name lived in California.

I found a comment she(?) made on an aviation forum, English wasn't her first language.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 25, 2015 10:56 PM (S7Zlw)

965 >>>Anning Wong,

Dude. Anning Wong. Anything Wrong?

Come on, who was the copilot, Moun Tendair?

Posted by: DC in River City, temporary bachelor at March 25, 2015 10:59 PM (e+1S5)

966 Pilot name: Hans Christian Vhitemann.

"Mo" for short.

Posted by: PJ at March 25, 2015 11:08 PM (cHuNI)

967 And many satisfied auto pilots.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 10:45 PM (0NdlF)


Service with a smile and Val-U-Rite Roll-Ur-Own cigarettes.

Posted by: Otto Pilot at March 25, 2015 11:10 PM (cL79m)

968 Hollowpoint, I found the same comment, written in 2009. I don't know the gender and I don't know if this person was one of the pilots of the flight, but don't assume Anning is the first name. Chinese ya know.....

Posted by: Tami at March 25, 2015 11:10 PM (v0/PR)

969 968 Hollowpoint, I found the same comment, written in 2009. I don't know the gender and I don't know if this person was one of the pilots of the flight, but don't assume Anning is the first name. Chinese ya know.....

Wong is a common Chinese last (family) name.

As for being female, first Facebook profile returned by Google shows a male named Anning Wong.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 25, 2015 11:27 PM (0NdlF)

970 >>>What was this pilot's name?


Obviously it's Allah Ackbar.

Posted by: dogfish at March 25, 2015 11:27 PM (1vYi0)

971 Pilot 1's name was Mohamed and so was pilot two.

Posted by: james at March 25, 2015 11:28 PM (rVEMe)

972 The pilot's name wasn't Bowe Bergdahl was it?

Posted by: dogfish at March 25, 2015 11:31 PM (1vYi0)

973 Seems to me that, if the windshield blew out there would be a God awful bang and lots of noise on the voice recorder.
At least, enough to drown out gentle knocking on the cockpit door!

Posted by: nickshaw at March 25, 2015 11:43 PM (XbssF)

974 Seems to me that you are a critical thinker unlike the typical journalist. Posted by: nickshaw

Posted by: dogfish at March 25, 2015 11:50 PM (1vYi0)

975
"My life is a black hole of emptiness and I wish I could see a door into a better world."

Welcome to the existential vacuum Ace. You'll like it here; it's quiet and fairly undemanding.

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at March 26, 2015 12:09 AM (3oAJY)

976 Didn't some Egyptian pilot do a mass suicide while in flight? This also sounds eerily similar to the Silk Air flight 185 pilot suicide. It has been suggested that the pilot of Silk Air switched off the flight recorders and put the plane into a dive when the other pilot left the flight deck. These were not terror attacks but cases of suicidal maniacs taking as many people with them as they could. Prayers for the friends and family of those that perished over the Alps. Whatever the cause, it is a terrible, horrible tragedy.

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at March 26, 2015 01:04 AM (2/oBD)

977 Simple solution:

No keys for the pilots but a combination lock with a 4 digit or more password that only the pilots know, if said pilot gets jumped there is no key to give up.

The password gets changed on each flight and it is set by both pilots so in fact they are the only two people on earth that know it.

Posted by: X at March 26, 2015 05:20 AM (Ck/kF)

978 Betcha they have known this from the git go. Hence, the non release of the pilots names...

Posted by: janetoo at March 26, 2015 05:50 AM (DVU82)

979 MUSLIM

Posted by: Mikey at March 26, 2015 08:23 AM (Uff7i)

980 FFS don't make the door unopenable without the assistance of someone who may be genuinely incapacitated. That's a European solution, an Airbus solution, and it is based on the stupid assumption that statistically unlikely things actually won't ever happen. Airbus were known from the beginning for their very clever solutions; solutions that wrecked airplanes and killed passengers when multi-mode switches confused pilots about which mode they were using.

The US solution is to put an armed man aboard, but there really should be two more - both of them in the cockpit.

I've seen a photograph of an old .32 auto pistol, the remarkable thing about which is the "Empire Airways" moniker engraved on the bottom of the magazine floorplate. Evidently back then, even the British considered it not unwise to allow their flight crews (probably in a flying boat in this case) to carry firearms. Setting aside the issue of whether this is an adequate cartridge for the job (and against passengers screened for the carriage of guns and obvious knives it probably is), it seems quite a sensible policy.

Take out the Sky Marshal and the plane is yours, but to take out the Sky Marshal, both pilots and the chief purser is a harder "ask".

Posted by: perturbed at March 26, 2015 08:29 AM (TXq4O)

981 The solution is to ban Muslims from airports.

Posted by: Mikey at March 26, 2015 08:40 AM (Uff7i)

982 So breaking news that the co-pilot's name is Andreas Lubitz a 28-year old German national.. I guess his name wasn't as dispositive as all that!

Posted by: Smith at March 26, 2015 08:47 AM (LUNrq)

983 converts usually have an original non muslim sounding name. the default answer is sudden jihad because as the Geico commercial says, that's what they do. if muslims don't like that, quit murdering in the name of islam and people will stop accusing you of murdering in the name of islam.

Posted by: Benedict Arnold CEO at March 26, 2015 10:02 AM (UqJ2q)

984 OK, this plane did have a keypad code but they have a manual override system in which the co-pilot was able to keep the door locked despite the captain trying to gain entry.

Geez, these companies could hire a few Ace commenters to shore up their security.

Solution: The 2 pilots and flight attendants have the pass code. That pass code can be manually stopped by either of the 2 pilots. The 2 pilots have a second code, only known by them, if one of them goes rogue, the other pilot can gain access with the 2nd code and it can't be manually stopped.

Would somebody who was depressed go out in this fashion, doubtful, which is why the religious angle has to be high on the list of possible motives.

Posted by: X at March 26, 2015 10:40 AM (Ck/kF)

985
if the wind screen had blown out the voice recorder would have picked up the alarm sounding

Posted by: kj at March 26, 2015 12:15 PM (lKyWE)

986 There is only two religion/political groups that the public does not have the right to know of, when they are caught in murder, rape, and is protected from the publics right to know. Blacks and muslims.

Posted by: ron n. at March 26, 2015 03:18 PM (YVQn/)

987 I wonder if this guy knew Christian Emde and Robert Baum, also from the outskirts of Dusseldorf. http://www.aina.org/news/20141222180139.htm

Posted by: C at March 26, 2015 03:33 PM (LfPNJ)

988 Been reading some of the German news. The initial news highlighted how the airline was for budget travelers; therefore, when one flies cheap this is only a natural consequence.
They also pixel the faces non-celebrities and criminals to protect privacy. Interesting to see commenters wanting to fly their "I'm a liberal flag and let's not blame ISIS yet; hey, maybe this guy was a devout Catholic."

Posted by: Wendy at March 26, 2015 04:50 PM (bpemY)

989 The regular breathing Co-Pilot could have been in a self induced Ketamine "K-Hole" like John Denver was?

Posted by: MoJoTee at March 26, 2015 05:55 PM (aR8Ih)

990 looks like I was right on 983

Posted by: Benedict Arnold CEO at March 27, 2015 03:07 PM (n5fTN)

991 982 So breaking news that the co-pilot's name is Andreas Lubitz a 28-year old German national.. I guess his name wasn't as dispositive as all that!
Posted by: Smith

great call smitty. you bet on islam not being the piece of shit it is. how does mohammeds ass taste?

Posted by: Benedict Arnold CEO at March 27, 2015 03:30 PM (n5fTN)

992 I can only give advice in rectum stimulation not psychology.

How did this co-pilot guy even get to fly jet liners with his medical history?

3rd class medical certificate [lowest]

"Mental Status: No Diagnosis of psychosis, bipolar disorder, or severe personality disorders" - Wikipedia

Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_certification_in_the_United_States#Third_class

or

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_certification_in_the_United_States#Third_class

2nd class is the same but more stringent, and 1st class is even more stringent than 2nd class.

Someone screwed the pooch.

Posted by: Barney F. at March 28, 2015 07:26 PM (Ba7Uq)

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