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Bowe Bergdahl, For Whom Obama "Traded" Five Terrorists, To Be Charged With Desertion
Thank you for "trading" terrorists to get this fine American boy back, Mr. President.
I put "trading" in quotes because Obama just wants excuses to release terrorists -- the "trade" here is a pretext to do what he already wished to do.Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who was held captive by the Taliban for five years after leaving his remote post in Afghanistan, has been charged with desertion and misbehavior before the enemy, according to a source familiar with the case.My Favorite Move... of the leftwing press is its constant use of the Passive Voice to get across its own beliefs and desires without admitting whose beliefs and desires these are. For example, two weeks ago I saw the headline: Tom Cotton Finds Himself on Defensive After Iran Letter. Finds himself on defensive from whom? well, from the Press, naturally, but they don't want to admit they themselves are driving this story and therefore the subject of this story, so they write the headline to obscure just who it is that Cotton finds himself on the defensive against. They do this with "Raises Questions" all the time, too. Scott Walker Campaign Raises Questions About Transparency is a made-up headline along these lines. Anyway, the NYT wants you to know that a vague mass of people, who they will not name, does not have much "appetite" for seeing Bergdahl serve time in jail.
Speak for yourselves, assholes. MT @nytimes Bergdahl charged with desertion, but there appears to be little desire to see him serve time
— David Burge (@iowahawkblog) March 25, 2015Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Noam Sayen at March 25, 2015 02:58 PM (FkgZk)
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 02:58 PM (ZKGnj)
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 02:58 PM (ZKGnj)
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 02:58 PM (ZKGnj)
Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 25, 2015 02:59 PM (RQ2Z6)
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 02:59 PM (ZKGnj)
I wonder if his dad is still being creepy. But isnt his bil an airforce officer?
Posted by: Bruce J. at March 25, 2015 03:01 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Moderate Salami at March 25, 2015 03:01 PM (/Ho8c)
No Rose Garden ceremonies for *their* families.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:02 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: BB Wolf at March 25, 2015 03:02 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March
Mission accomplished!
Posted by: O'Barky at March 25, 2015 03:02 PM (/Ho8c)
-under article 15
-under special court martial
-under general court martial
It should be under general court-martial
It matters because it changes the maximum penalty allowed
Posted by: Thunder B Cruzader at March 25, 2015 03:02 PM (2PsBq)
Posted by: brian at March 25, 2015 03:02 PM (40vfQ)
No Rose Garden ceremonies for *their* families.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:02 PM (FsuaD)
Of course not. Makes me want to puke
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 03:02 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: Epic Level Paladin at March 25, 2015 03:02 PM (X1kaO)
Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 25, 2015 03:02 PM (RQ2Z6)
Was he passed around the "Tolleebon" like a favorite goat?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:03 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 03:03 PM (ZKGnj)
We deal with out own in our own terms.
Now would I have broken our policy of not negotiating with terrorists? Never. That's simply going to cost more lives at another time.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 25, 2015 03:03 PM (v7/G9)
Posted by: chiefjaybob at March 25, 2015 03:03 PM (t2lvB)
Posted by: brak at March 25, 2015 03:04 PM (Tj+s6)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 03:04 PM (LA7Cm)
The only regret is Bowe Bergdahl will not be executed no matter the findings or harm to country. Hussein will in all probability issue a pardon to burnish his credentials that includes compassion for the downtrodden.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at March 25, 2015 03:04 PM (P330y)
Posted by: Lizzy at March 25, 2015 03:04 PM (TLTHv)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 25, 2015 03:04 PM (wlDny)
CNN just showed the photos of all 5 of obama's Taliban buddies.
Let me tell you something: images are powerful tools.
These guys look BAD. I'm surprised CNN showed them, but I'm glad they did.
Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 03:04 PM (ko4zy)
I think they will give him an Article 15 and an administrative discharge
Posted by: Thunder B Cruzader at March 25, 2015 03:04 PM (2PsBq)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 25, 2015 03:05 PM (5buP8)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 25, 2015 03:05 PM (wlDny)
This is my shocked face.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:05 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Susan Rice at March 25, 2015 03:05 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 03:05 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: Barack Obama at March 25, 2015 03:05 PM (xkSSa)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 03:04 PM (LA7Cm)
Me either. Can someone toss a definition on this?
ThunderB? This is your area, right?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 25, 2015 03:05 PM (gW5Vg)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at March 25, 2015 03:05 PM (W+6Gl)
Posted by: tbd at March 25, 2015 03:05 PM (uQnQp)
Posted by: Zombie Michael Jackson at March 25, 2015 03:06 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: Thunder B Cruzader at March 25, 2015 03:06 PM (2PsBq)
Ha! Run with that one boys...
Posted by: OG CELTIC-AMERICAN at March 25, 2015 03:06 PM (vssei)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 25, 2015 03:04 PM (wlDny)
Both charges are potentially capital offenses.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 25, 2015 03:06 PM (gW5Vg)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 25, 2015 03:06 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:06 PM (FsuaD)
Did I hear right??
The U.S. left $500 Million in military equipment behind in Yemen??
Tell me again how obama, the commander in chief, isn't blatantly aiding and abetting ISIS?
Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 03:06 PM (ko4zy)
Geez. That makes it sound like he made a moue and blow them a raspberry.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 25, 2015 03:06 PM (7ObY1)
In Vietnam, full Courts and Boards action was normally completed from
within two to four weeks, with punishment administered immediately upon
the decision. No fuss, no muss, and no bullshit!
Confinement over 180 days was at Kadena AFB Okinawa or Yakota AFB Japan. Over one year was at Ft. Leavenworth, KS.
Less
than 180 days was at Long Binh Detention better known as Camp LBJ. Both
time in country and time in service were halted upon adjudication, and
the guilty served his full sentence until transport to Oakland, CA for
BCD if warranted.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at March 25, 2015 03:07 PM (P330y)
"Honor"
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 25, 2015 03:07 PM (TLTHv)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 25, 2015 03:07 PM (KefbY)
I'm afraid this one was just too big a matzah ball.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 03:07 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 03:07 PM (ZKGnj)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:08 PM (FsuaD)
Yes, this is true. And truly unbelievable - he's arming the enemy.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 25, 2015 03:08 PM (TLTHv)
Thunder-B needs to swing, not because, but becasue of his actions and dereliction of duty.
Posted by: Ibin Pharteen at March 25, 2015 03:08 PM (zL/eJ)
I think the argument is
.
Posted by: Methos at March 25, 2015 03:08 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: Thunder B Cruzader at March 25, 2015 03:08 PM (2PsBq)
I wonder if his dad is still being creepy. But isnt his bil an airforce officer?
Posted by: Bruce J. at March 25, 2015 03:01 PM (iQIUe)
I don't know what it is about the deserter and his father, but he looks like the type of halfwit who would be in the Occupier movement, and his dad looks like the type of twit who would raise someone in the Occupier movement. The fact that he walked off base to chat with the enemy in a war zone, not surprising from a nitwit like this.
Posted by: nerdygirl at March 25, 2015 03:08 PM (agnOR)
Posted by: OG CELTIC-AMERICAN at March 25, 2015 03:09 PM (vssei)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 03:09 PM (/tNwW)
Dear Diary
It sucks to be back. How I long for my desert friends , the smell of goats in heat, and the sand in my ass. Why King Hussein has not pardoned me yet I cannot understand. I feel so alone.
xoxo
Posted by: Bowe at March 25, 2015 03:09 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 03:04 PM (LA7Cm)
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It's legalese to preclude the charge of treason, which holds the death penalty.
Posted by: Soona at March 25, 2015 03:09 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: toby928(C) mutters at March 25, 2015 03:09 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: The Crusades at March 25, 2015 03:10 PM (eQBH3)
Yeah, i saw the inventory: 3 Huey Heli's, a million rounds of ammo, 250 M4's, a few APC's IIRC.
ISIS isn't gonna grow that hardware...
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at March 25, 2015 03:10 PM (5buP8)
That's what I would do to him.
Posted by: Kim Jong-fun at March 25, 2015 03:10 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 25, 2015 03:10 PM (JtwS4)
Article 99 of the UCMJ: Misbehavior Before the Enemy http://tinyurl.com/nhkfw47
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 03:07 PM (ZKGnj)
Thanks for the link. It's pretty cut and dried. And punishable by death.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:10 PM (FsuaD)
***
So why is it that when a private collaborates with the enemy we try him and when presidents and senators do we do nothing?
I am Not saying Tali-boy doesn't deserve a firing squad, but he isn't the only one aiding and abetting enemies of the United States...
Posted by: 18-1 at March 25, 2015 03:10 PM (78TbK)
Posted by: Thunder B Cruzader at March 25, 2015 03:11 PM (2PsBq)
Posted by: Thunder B Cruzader at March 25, 2015 03:08 PM (2PsBq)
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Yes. It will be a military forum.
Posted by: Soona at March 25, 2015 03:11 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: BurtTC at March 25, 2015 03:11 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: toby928(C) mutters at March 25, 2015 03:11 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 25, 2015 03:11 PM (7ObY1)
Bowe is a good boy who is simply misunderstood. Myself and Mr. Bergdahl are reaching out to the President to halt this travesty of justice and to provide Bowe with the standard welcoming home all veterans deserve.
Posted by: Momma Bergdahl at March 25, 2015 03:11 PM (P330y)
I don't care how anyone spins it, that Bergdahl swap badly backfired on Obama and Democrats.
Posted by: McAdams at March 25, 2015 03:11 PM (mdocW)
Posted by: nerdygirl at March 25, 2015 03:11 PM (agnOR)
Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 03:11 PM (2PsBq)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 25, 2015 03:12 PM (7ObY1)
I would argue STILL not as bad a trade as the Iggles sending Foles to St. Louis for Sam Bradford and his twice-torn ACL.
Very strange.
Posted by: eleven -- raiderfan at March 25, 2015 03:12 PM (Ae7K+)
Posted by: McAdams at March 25, 2015 03:11 PM (mdocW)
It has to be reported first
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 03:12 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:12 PM (FsuaD)
___
We are spreading the wealth around bitter clinger
Posted by: Barack Obama at March 25, 2015 03:12 PM (78TbK)
Posted by: The MFM at March 25, 2015 03:12 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: West at March 25, 2015 03:13 PM (1Rgee)
Posted by: kj at March 25, 2015 03:13 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 03:13 PM (2PsBq)
I don't care how anyone spins it, that Bergdahl swap badly backfired on Obama and Democrats.
But did it?
Posted by: eleven -- raiderfan at March 25, 2015 03:13 PM (Ae7K+)
No Rose Garden ceremonies for *their* families.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:02 PM (FsuaD)
Of course not. Makes me want to pukePosted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 03:02 PM (/tNwW)..............................What, none of them were persons of color?
Posted by: did I say that out loud? at March 25, 2015 03:13 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 03:13 PM (eQBH3)
Posted by: torabora at March 25, 2015 03:13 PM (kh/Go)
Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 25, 2015 03:13 PM (WNERA)
Posted by: rhomboid at March 25, 2015 03:13 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: Your Average LIV at March 25, 2015 03:13 PM (78TbK)
I never agreed with the Taliban - Bergdahl swap, and I don't believe there is any comment I made that would not support that statement.
Posted by: Sir Edmund Hillary Rodham Clinton at March 25, 2015 03:14 PM (P330y)
Posted by: Nevergiveup
The press definitely carried water for Obama on it, but the word got out and it greatly pissed off military families.
Posted by: McAdams at March 25, 2015 03:14 PM (mdocW)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:14 PM (FsuaD)
But they said they'd keel me if I didn't give up the butt!!!!
Posted by: B Bergdahl leftist war hero at March 25, 2015 03:14 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: The LIVs at March 25, 2015 03:14 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 25, 2015 03:14 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: MTF, Vote for someone the GOP insiders hate! at March 25, 2015 03:14 PM (LISuA)
___
They weren't going to vote for me anyway so...
Posted by: President Precedent at March 25, 2015 03:15 PM (78TbK)
Say, did I ever tell you I served in the 'Nam?
Posted by: John F'n Kerry at March 25, 2015 03:15 PM (sCHw2)
Posted by: Prez O'Bumbles at March 25, 2015 03:15 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 25, 2015 03:15 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Kim Kardashian at March 25, 2015 03:15 PM (P330y)
22 I had never heard of "misbehavior before the enemy" before.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 03:04 PM (LA7Cm)
Me either. Can someone toss a definition on this?
ThunderB? This is your area, right?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 25, 2015 03:05 PM (gW5Vg)
I looked it up, it is a separate article in the UCMJ and it CAN carry the death penalty.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 25, 2015 03:15 PM (wlDny)
Hmmm. Look at #4 in the Misbehavior Before The Enemy linked above.
Posted by: HH at March 25, 2015 03:16 PM (Ce4DF)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 25, 2015 03:15 PM (wlDny)
Yes. And if he's convicted, I hope they let the members of his unit serve on his firing squad.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:16 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 03:13 PM (2PsBq)
---------------------------------
Just funin' with ya.Posted by: Soona at March 25, 2015 03:16 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: DNC Spokestool at March 25, 2015 03:17 PM (sCHw2)
Myself and Mr. Bergdahl are reaching out to the President to halt this
travesty of justice and to provide Bowe with the standard welcoming home
all veterans deserve.
Posted by: Momma Bergdahl at March 25, 2015 03:11 PM (P330y)
You forgot to say he was turning his life around.
Posted by: Methos at March 25, 2015 03:17 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 03:17 PM (LA7Cm)
"I am surprised. I thought team Obama would find a way to make him a hero and award him a chest full of medals!"
Bad optics. But we will keep that under consideration for future deserters.
Posted by: Jen Psaki at March 25, 2015 03:17 PM (1BQGO)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 25, 2015 03:17 PM (4hU+9)
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 03:07 PM (ZKGnj)
Thanks
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 25, 2015 03:17 PM (gW5Vg)
I made the mistake of clicking on Ms. Jazz Hands's Twitter account.
It's like a leftist parody site. She's feminist, lesbian, socialist, hates white people even though she herself is white...
Posted by: Citizen X at March 25, 2015 03:17 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: OG CELTIC-AMERICAN at March 25, 2015 03:17 PM (vssei)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 03:18 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 25, 2015 03:18 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 25, 2015 03:18 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: torabora at March 25, 2015 03:18 PM (kh/Go)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 25, 2015 03:18 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Imam Obama at March 25, 2015 03:18 PM (hKyl0)
Posted by: Hussein the Magnificent, your Commander-In-Chief!!! at March 25, 2015 03:19 PM (wAQA5)
If I were not married, I would be sporking Bowe Bergdahl.
Posted by: Kim Kardashian at March 25, 2015 03:15 PM (P330y)"
If Bergdahl's mom was my baby sister, I'd........
Posted by: Lena Dunham at March 25, 2015 03:19 PM (sCHw2)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:19 PM (FsuaD)
My guess is he still plans to shut it down before he leaves, but he's going to get an earful from scared Democrats still around that may not let him.
National Security is really shaping up to be a fatal issue for Democrats.
Posted by: McAdams at March 25, 2015 03:19 PM (mdocW)
Posted by: Daddy Bergdahl at March 25, 2015 03:19 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: torabora at March 25, 2015 03:19 PM (kh/Go)
Posted by: drill_thrawl at March 25, 2015 03:19 PM (JOG+K)
Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 25, 2015 03:20 PM (QLqUE)
Posted by: UNEXPECTEDLY! at March 25, 2015 03:20 PM (Mj3Lx)
Posted by: torabora at March 25, 2015 03:20 PM (kh/Go)
Posted by: Lizzy
Diiid IIIII dooo thaaaaaat?
Posted by: Pres. Urkel at March 25, 2015 03:20 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 03:07 PM (ZKGnj)
Short drop w/ a sudden stop?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 25, 2015 03:20 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Hussein the Magnificent, your Commander-In-Chief!!! at March 25, 2015 03:20 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: rhomboid at March 25, 2015 03:21 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 25, 2015 03:21 PM (QLqUE)
Posted by: OutspokenRed at March 25, 2015 03:21 PM (BhtTT)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 25, 2015 03:21 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: toby928(C)
Slightly better.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 25, 2015 03:21 PM (JBzwC)
Just follow your conscience.
Posted by: Daddy Bergdahl at March 25, 2015 03:19 PM (JtwS4)
*types*
*deletes*
*types*
*deletes*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:21 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: torabora at March 25, 2015 03:21 PM (kh/Go)
Or enrolled in community college.....
An aspiring rapper?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 25, 2015 03:21 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: TEH WON! at March 25, 2015 03:21 PM (Mj3Lx)
Let the "Obama hates the military soooo much that he traded 5 known terrorists leaders for ONE deserter just so he could charge him with desertion" meme begin.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 25, 2015 03:22 PM (NaV4z)
Posted by: Shep Loves Bowe at March 25, 2015 03:22 PM (vssei)
Posted by: torabora at March 25, 2015 03:22 PM (kh/Go)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:22 PM (FsuaD)
But Ted Cruz has no foreign policy experience! Ineligible.
Posted by: MSM, grasping at straws and desperate for squirrels at March 25, 2015 03:22 PM (yRwC8)
Posted by: TEH WON! at March 25, 2015 03:22 PM (Mj3Lx)
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 03:22 PM (48QDY)
If Bowe was black, he would be praised for his courage in defeating the imperialist. We black folk stick together.
Posted by: Jesse Jackson at March 25, 2015 03:23 PM (P330y)
"He served with honor and distinction" - to the Left, yes, yes he did.
Posted by: Matt in Tampa at March 25, 2015 03:23 PM (vDEpI)
Posted by: NewEnglandDevil at March 25, 2015 03:23 PM (3KPBY)
Posted by: Bowe in court at March 25, 2015 03:23 PM (wAQA5)
Put the guy in a pair of bloodstained overalls and hand him a chainsaw, he could be the next LeatherFace.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 25, 2015 03:24 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:24 PM (FsuaD)
Couple of New Agey, hippie, touchy-feely Santa Fe types.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 03:24 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: rhomboid at March 25, 2015 03:24 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2015 03:24 PM (eQBH3)
Bergdahl is not guilty of any crime, and we talking heads will take every opportunity to speak to the injustice of this military trial.
Posted by: Alan Colmes at March 25, 2015 03:24 PM (P330y)
Posted by: goon at March 25, 2015 03:25 PM (gNTQS)
Desertion. Good.
Now.... what are the consequences for the even dozen decent soldiers that died looking for your sorry ass.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 25, 2015 03:25 PM (NaV4z)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:25 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: NewEnglandDevil
Yeah, I wonder what Kayla Mueller's parents are thinking right now. They seem to be leftists as well, but the fact that their daughter was proabably butchered and this POS was ransomed for ....what?
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 25, 2015 03:25 PM (Spluw)
Terrorists deserve their freedom too, freedom to pursue their dreams of ever more horrific carnage. Thanks, Obama!
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 25, 2015 03:25 PM (MzFJT)
if it had been my son or daughter i would advise them to screw your conscience while in a combat zone follow lawful orders and deal with your conscience when you get home
Posted by: kj at March 25, 2015 03:25 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: torabora at March 25, 2015 03:25 PM (kh/Go)
Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 25, 2015 03:13 PM (WNERA)
Two words...
News....
Cycle...
Posted by: BB Wolf at March 25, 2015 03:25 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Hillary! at March 25, 2015 03:26 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 25, 2015 03:26 PM (+YMhA)
My Favorite Move... of the leftwing press is its constant use of the Passive Voice to get across its own beliefs and desires without admitting whose beliefs and desires these are.
Yeah. Local NPR has a tic where they always end a presentation with "critics say [this will be harmful to children, or whatever]". But they never name the critics.
There oughta be a rule about that.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 25, 2015 03:26 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: stace at March 25, 2015 03:26 PM (ImzkZ)
Posted by: President Choad-Load at March 25, 2015 03:26 PM (vssei)
I don't want to see him serve time.
I want to see him executed.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 25, 2015 03:26 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 03:27 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 25, 2015 03:27 PM (gW5Vg)
Posted by: torabora at March 25, 2015 03:27 PM (kh/Go)
if it had been my son or daughter i would advise them to screw your conscience while in a combat zone follow lawful orders and deal with your conscience when you get home
Posted by: kj at March 25, 2015 03:25 PM (lKyWE)
Where the f was his conscience when he signed up to be a solder and KILL PEOPLE for a living?
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 25, 2015 03:27 PM (+YMhA)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 25, 2015 03:28 PM (W5DcG)
I prefer that the highest level of punishment for desertion be used.
Posted by: alexthechick - Loganite. With Jazz Hands. at March 25, 2015 03:28 PM (mf5HN)
>>Passive Voice
Every time I ever saw 'passive voice' written on a paper in schoolit was a criticism.In journalism, it seems even worse because you are supposed to be reporting on things that happened.
Posted by: Lea at March 25, 2015 03:28 PM (lIU4e)
..since it doesn't take long to shoot a rabid dog. No need for a cell, just push him up to a fucking wall and shoot the bastard.
- The New York Times If It Were Honest
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at March 25, 2015 03:28 PM (zbqka)
"As a candidate for President and Commander in Chief, I have no public opinion on the charges. Everyone is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty by a court of law, and my opinion could be construed as undue command influence when I am elected President. If you want to be informed of what occurred in Afghanistan, read the first hand accounts of his squad mates and fellow soldiers, as well as the reports from the Perfumed Princes of the Pentagon. I want Sgt. Bergdahl to receive a fair and just trial."
Posted by: rd at March 25, 2015 03:28 PM (pLoAJ)
Posted by: @PeeteySDee at March 25, 2015 03:28 PM (C3NuQ)
Because he's a patriotic young man who served his nation with honor. A concept as foreign to the JEF as a woman *cough* who's not a beard *cough*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:28 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 03:29 PM (b4JMJ)
Name any issue they address or condone that helps law abiding American citizens and their concerns. What would they do differently if their goal was not to harm the US?
This is not haplessness we're witnessing.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 25, 2015 03:29 PM (1CroS)
Posted by: torabora at March 25, 2015 03:29 PM (kh/Go)
"Hillary's server was repeatedly compromised by foreign intelligence services but there seems to be little basis to charge her with any crimes"
Posted by: MTF, Vote for someone the GOP insiders hate! at March 25, 2015 03:29 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: torabora at March 25, 2015 03:30 PM (kh/Go)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:30 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: steevy at March 25, 2015 03:30 PM (KETbL)
Posted by: BuddyPC at March 25, 2015 03:30 PM (jfUIE)
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 03:30 PM (ZKGnj)
He was hustled by the recruiter under the guise of the GI Bill.
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 03:30 PM (48QDY)
Sure, your honor, but just so I understand, how long is it going to take to hang this bastard?
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 25, 2015 03:30 PM (+YMhA)
BOTH carry the death penalty
99 time out of a hundred desertion is an article 15 and an administrative discharge
His case is unusual and SHOULD go to trial
Even if it does it is highly unlikely he would get the death penalty
Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 03:30 PM (2PsBq)
House Member Seeks Probe of Bergdahl Ransom Payment
Defense sources: Failed payment likely came from $5 million fund controlled by Centcom commander
Posted by: Hepcat at March 25, 2015 03:30 PM (IeR2g)
Posted by: President Choad-Load at March 25, 2015 03:30 PM (vssei)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 25, 2015 03:30 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: tu3031 at March 25, 2015 03:30 PM (S0A/C)
With pride? Another Obama campaign promise fulfilled. Its all about Obama, don't cha know.
Posted by: Matt in Tampa at March 25, 2015 03:31 PM (vDEpI)
No conscience?
Posted by: Edmund Burke's Shade at March 25, 2015 03:31 PM (cmBvC)
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 03:30 PM (48QDY)
Bull and shit.
The training included marksmanship, yes?
What the hell did he think he was shooting at?
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 25, 2015 03:31 PM (+YMhA)
Sgt Tahmooressi sat in a Mexican jail for almost 7 months, for no reason, while the President did not a damn thing.
*makes the grrrrring and gritty teeth sounds*
Otoh, Tahmooressi had icky guns with him.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 25, 2015 03:31 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Barry talking in his sleep at March 25, 2015 03:31 PM (wAQA5)
There has been too much violence. Too much pain. But I have an honorable
compromise. Just walk away. Give me your whole compound, and I'll spare your lives. Just walk away and
we'll give you a safe passageway in the wastelands. Just walk away and
there will be an end to the horror.
So I walked away from my post, believing in the nice voice and a hope for a better, peaceful tomorrow.
Posted by: Bowe Bergdahl at March 25, 2015 03:31 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: eleven -- raiderfan at March 25, 2015 03:31 PM (Ae7K+)
Posted by: torabora at March 25, 2015 03:31 PM (kh/Go)
I'll gladly supply the bullet.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 25, 2015 03:32 PM (gECZB)
Posted by: Shoey at March 25, 2015 03:32 PM (vA94g)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:32 PM (FsuaD)
And another terrorist to be named later.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 03:32 PM (LA7Cm)
No conscience?
Posted by: Edmund Burke's Shade at March 25, 2015 03:31 PM (cmBvC)
No way in hell. I'm saying that it is part of the basic job description, to seek out and do away with the enemy.
As I recall, the enemy isn't global warming or attack rabbits.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 25, 2015 03:32 PM (+YMhA)
Posted by: steevy at March 25, 2015 03:32 PM (KETbL)
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 03:32 PM (ZKGnj)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 25, 2015 03:32 PM (jsWA8)
There's a very out of the way cemetery on Post that I've been to. Oddly enough a National Marker right next to it. But you have to know where it is.
Posted by: HH at March 25, 2015 03:32 PM (Ce4DF)
An apology is in order for the marines who spoke up and were attacked by the administration. They won't be getting one from Obama or any of his lackey's who do his dirty work.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 25, 2015 03:32 PM (kfcYC)
Posted by: Barry talking in his sleep at March 25, 2015 03:32 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 25, 2015 03:31 PM (JtwS4)
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yeah.... but..... in reality, Tahmooressi did nothing that Eric Holder didnt do....
Posted by: fixerupper at March 25, 2015 03:33 PM (NaV4z)
Posted by: Roy at March 25, 2015 03:33 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: goon at March 25, 2015 03:33 PM (gNTQS)
McAdams - a "fatal issue for Democrats"? Again, I'd like to live in your country? Where are you?
Posted by: rhomboid
You think this Bergdahl swap helps Obama and Democrats with the American electorate?
I know being an Eeyore conservative is fashionable, but not every American is some Berkley batshit crazy leftist that's pro terrorist.
Obama and Democrats largely got a pass on national security in the 2012 election because Bin Ladin was killed.
The average American though is starting to get nervous again, and for good reason. National Security is why the Republicans dominated the Executive Branch throughout the Cold War. They didn't trust Democrats on National Security.
Posted by: McAdams at March 25, 2015 03:33 PM (mdocW)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:33 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 03:34 PM (b4JMJ)
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 03:34 PM (ZKGnj)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 25, 2015 03:34 PM (gECZB)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 25, 2015 03:34 PM (jsWA8)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 25, 2015 03:34 PM (MzFJT)
Posted by: Methos at March 25, 2015 03:34 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: Emperor Clusterfuck I at March 25, 2015 03:34 PM (S0A/C)
Yahoo "News" headline on homepage: "Is Ted Cruz's WH Run Doomed Already?"
Remember: there are people who vote who actually get their "information" from things like this. Actually, they outnumber those here by multiples. Just something to cheer you up even more.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 25, 2015 03:34 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: OG CELTIC-AMERICAN at March 25, 2015 03:35 PM (vssei)
Posted by: Sharkman at March 25, 2015 03:35 PM (c/+kD)
It's legalese to preclude the charge of treason, which holds the death penalty.
Posted by: Soona at March 25, 2015 03:09 PM (/HX7u)
Misbehavior before the enemy is also a capital crime. So is intercourse with the enemy (talking to the enemy - not having sex with them
) which is the capital crime committed by LT - Hero of Communist Victory - John Kerry USNR when he went to talk to the enemy negotiators in Paris during the Vietnam war.Posted by: An Observation - I use Silver Bullet gun oil at March 25, 2015 03:35 PM (ayMqy)
52% are.
IOW, every other person in a room.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 25, 2015 03:35 PM (gECZB)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 25, 2015 03:05 PM (wlDny)
Pretty much everything you assume some asshole does when he deserts.
http://tinyurl.com/nvxrvbr
Posted by: jwb7605 at March 25, 2015 03:35 PM (ZALPg)
Posted by: Soona at March 25, 2015 03:35 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 25, 2015 03:35 PM (7ObY1)
And no firing squad. Life in prison.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:35 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 03:36 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 03:36 PM (b4JMJ)
If the Article 32 hearing decides to send it to a special court marshall, the death penalty is on the table.
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 03:36 PM (ZKGnj)
Posted by: wth at March 25, 2015 03:36 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 03:36 PM (48QDY)
So you are saying that all members of the military have No conscience?
no i am not but conscience is an individual thing is it not? and i would not advise my loved ones in harms way to let that guide you above all things
Posted by: kj at March 25, 2015 03:36 PM (lKyWE)
In judging the Tahmooressi and Bergdahl cases, it can only appear to me that obama wishes to help the terrorists and hurt the USA. I see no other logic.
Tahmooressi could have been home with one phone call.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 25, 2015 03:37 PM (ODxAs)
If the Article 32 hearing decides to send it to a special court marshall, the death penalty is on the table.
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 03:36 PM (ZKGnj)
Yes, BUT, with Fredo in the White House THAT will never happen. I'd be happy to be proved wrong
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 03:37 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: Max Hennessy, Pr0n Star at March 25, 2015 03:37 PM (Jwwj/)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:37 PM (FsuaD)
BOTH charges carry the death penalty
They added that charge as a "booster", to try and up the ante. So it would just be a 15 and a discharge
Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 03:37 PM (2PsBq)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 25, 2015 03:37 PM (BZAd3)
The whole thing makes me want to puke.
Posted by: Jaws at March 25, 2015 03:37 PM (WKNX4)
Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 03:38 PM (2PsBq)
Posted by: steevy at March 25, 2015 03:38 PM (KETbL)
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 03:38 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: rd at March 25, 2015 03:38 PM (pLoAJ)
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 25, 2015 03:38 PM (+YMhA)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 25, 2015 03:37 PM (BZAd3)
Mad Magazine says otherwise
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 03:38 PM (/tNwW)
In judging the Tahmooressi and Bergdahl cases, it can only appear to me that obama wishes to help the terrorists and hurt the USA. I see no other logic.
You know, even two or three years ago I'd have thought that was very tinfoil-hatty.
Now it's hard to draw a different conclusion.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 25, 2015 03:38 PM (JtwS4)
BUT WHO WILL MAKE THE GRANOLA?!!
WHO WILL DO THE PLIES?
Posted by: Bruce J. at March 25, 2015 03:38 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: steevy at March 25, 2015 03:39 PM (KETbL)
NYT: No evidence that soldiers who lost their lives searching for Bergdahl lost their lives while searching for Bergdahl.
I guess all the men in the deserter's unit are lying liars then.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:39 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 03:39 PM (ZKGnj)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 03:39 PM (b4JMJ)
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 03:38 PM (48QDY)
I don't know about that. These are very serious charges
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 03:39 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 03:39 PM (2PsBq)
I just thought to myself about Gitmo. Why stop at 5 released? Why not release them all? F*ck no one is going to stop the Muslim in Chief. **Spits**
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 25, 2015 03:39 PM (2Aj5D)
And a bunch of night vision equipment.
One tremendous edge which American infantry have in small unit actions against jihadis is the American capability to fight at night.
Obama just equalized that fight in a technological sense.
There will be a butcher's bill presented in due course.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 25, 2015 03:39 PM (noWW6)
in Arabic.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 25, 2015 03:39 PM (BZAd3)
McAdams, I'm neither "conservative" nor an "eyore", and I'm the farthest thing from fashionable in any way, but that's irrelevant as it's about me and not the topic, as you surely recognize from your critical thinking skills.
You changed the question. I don't think any of this will "help" Dems, but I cannot imagine it hurting them, not materially.
And you might have noticed that the Dems have already run into a spot of trouble at the federal level, holding the fewest seats in nearly 100 years.
Little if any of that attributable to national security issues, and there being huge fundamental questions whether it even matters.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 25, 2015 03:40 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 03:40 PM (b4JMJ)
Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 03:37 PM (2PsBq)
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According to what I just heard at the press announcement, AR 99 (Misbehaviour before the enemy) doesn't carry the death penalty.
Posted by: Soona at March 25, 2015 03:41 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: NYC Parent at March 25, 2015 03:41 PM (oYXGc)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 03:41 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:41 PM (FsuaD)
It is "Court Martial", as in Martial Law, as in Martial Arts - pertaining to war & fighting.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at March 25, 2015 03:41 PM (zbqka)
IOW, every other person in a room.
Posted by: rickb223
No, 52% that showed up at the last election do.
52% also reelected Bush.
I gt tired of conservatives pretending all future elections are unwinnable.
Democrats got their asses handed to them in 2014..
Posted by: McAdams at March 25, 2015 03:41 PM (mdocW)
Posted by: rd at March 25, 2015 03:41 PM (pLoAJ)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 25, 2015 03:41 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: OG CELTIC-AMERICAN at March 25, 2015 03:41 PM (vssei)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 03:39 PM (/tNwW)
Don't know the leafless of Art 32.
Sounds like spokesman never said anything about death. I may have missed it.
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 03:41 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: Barack Obama at March 25, 2015 03:42 PM (xkSSa)
Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 03:42 PM (2PsBq)
Ameeeeeeeeeeeen!
Posted by: Bruce J. at March 25, 2015 03:42 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: NY Times at March 25, 2015 03:42 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 03:42 PM (ZKGnj)
More nuggets of sage wisdom from the Times.....
"Another question is whether the Army will give Sergeant Bergdahl an honorable discharge if he is found guilty of desertion."
Da. Fuq.
Why would there be any question? Of course not.
Who writes this shit??
Posted by: fixerupper at March 25, 2015 03:42 PM (NaV4z)
Posted by: Soona at March 25, 2015 03:41 PM (/HX7u)
I "think" a General CM can upgrade those charges, but with Fredo in the White House all this is just a academic excursize. He will never be given the death penalty
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 03:42 PM (/tNwW)
Pfc. Matthew Martinek
Staff Sgt. Kurt Curtiss
Staff Sgt. Clayton Bowen
Pfc. Morris Walker
Staff Sgt. Michael Murphrey
2nd Lt. Darryn Andrews
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 25, 2015 03:43 PM (jsWA8)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 25, 2015 03:43 PM (b4JMJ)
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"I am unable to comment on that matter because it's an ongoing trial, and my comments might prejudice the jury."
Posted by: junior at March 25, 2015 03:43 PM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 03:43 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: Peregrine Took says screw the BBC at March 25, 2015 03:43 PM (dhU0M)
"Another question is whether the Army will give Sergeant Bergdahl an honorable discharge if he is found guilty of desertion."
get out,you made that nugget up didn't you?
Posted by: kj at March 25, 2015 03:43 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 03:44 PM (2PsBq)
Posted by: Barry watching TV at March 25, 2015 03:44 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 25, 2015 03:44 PM (MMC8r)
I gt tired of conservatives pretending all future elections are unwinnable.
***
You just have to give the LIVs a reason not to vote for the media candidate.
Of course you then have to nominate someone who doesn't also prefer the media candidate's policies like McVain and Romneycare.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 25, 2015 03:44 PM (78TbK)
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"I am unable to comment on that matter because it's an ongoing trial, and my comments might prejudice the jury."
Posted by: junior at March 25, 2015 03:43 PM (UWFpX)
exactly, but of course that did not stop them in Florida or ferguson.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 03:44 PM (/tNwW)
http://variety.com/2014/film/news/ bowe-bergdahl-movie-kathryn-bigelow-mark-boal-1201221436/
Posted by: Lizzy at March 25, 2015 03:44 PM (TLTHv)
Pfc. Matthew Martinek
Staff Sgt. Kurt Curtiss
Staff Sgt. Clayton Bowen
Pfc. Morris Walker
Staff Sgt. Michael Murphrey
2nd Lt. Darryn Andrews
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 25, 2015 03:43 PM (jsWA
Are these the men who were killed searching for his cowardly ass?
*seethes*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:44 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 25, 2015 03:44 PM (Vm8WO)
Talked to a SF friend last night. He said there would be no way to go out without putting some thermite in place.
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 03:44 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: kj at March 25, 2015 03:43 PM (lKyWE)
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Nope. Cut and pasted form the Times.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 25, 2015 03:44 PM (NaV4z)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 25, 2015 03:45 PM (jsWA8)
Any bets on Whether or not Obama pardons Turdahl on his way out the door?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 25, 2015 03:45 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 03:45 PM (2PsBq)
Sadly, that's not made up. They are worried about his job prospects "because it's hard to find a job without an honorable discharge." It's floating on Twitter.
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 03:45 PM (ZKGnj)
Posted by: Max Hennessy, Pr0n Star at March 25, 2015 03:45 PM (Jwwj/)
Posted by: Fritz at March 25, 2015 03:45 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Eromero at March 25, 2015 03:45 PM (go5uR)
Posted by: McAdams at March 25, 2015 03:19 PM (mdocW)
It will be a 'fatal issue' for all of us since we'll be paying the butcher's bill on these idiotic, shortsighted policies, not them. Terroristic rat bastardJames bond movievillain assholes like the mullahs of Iran or Putin's inner circle or those technocratic oligarchs currently running China no doubt view Obama's remaining two years in office as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. They'll seize that opportunity, either independently or all together at once. From their perspective, it would be foolish not to.
Posted by: troyriser at March 25, 2015 03:45 PM (Bvf82)
In fact, we may have a job for him as our Military Affairs correspondent.
Posted by: The New York Times at March 25, 2015 03:46 PM (S0A/C)
Posted by: Susan Rice at March 25, 2015 03:46 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 25, 2015 03:46 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Weirddave at March 25, 2015 03:46 PM (WvS3w)
They're right. He should be hanged for treason
Posted by: Buzzion at March 25, 2015 03:46 PM (z/Ubi)
People who don't know shit about the subjects on which they have strong opinions. (Leftists)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 25, 2015 03:46 PM (xSCb6)
Heat it up, burn it into his forehead, and let him go.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 25, 2015 03:46 PM (XmOA9)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Tea Party extremist at March 25, 2015 03:46 PM (dhU0M)
.... said the Fifth Columnists.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 25, 2015 03:47 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: OxyCon at March 25, 2015 03:47 PM (xBryS)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 03:39 PM (/tNwW)
Serious is if you are looking at mandatory hard time or death. Is he facing anything like that?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 25, 2015 03:47 PM (2Aj5D)
Unless the GCM convening authority recommends SPCM or Art 15 and a discharge
Which is usually highly unlikely. Typically what is referred to an article 32 goes to a GCM
Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 03:47 PM (2PsBq)
McAdams I cannot keep up with your galloping goalposts, or mulitplying cavorting straw-men, and in any case my point was very small: I see no reason to expect that this or any other national security debacle will have the slightest effect on federal elections.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 25, 2015 03:47 PM (afQnV)
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I'm not sure if this one thing by itself really hurt Dems, but I do think this and many other actions by the Obama administration have given back any foreign policy/defense cred they seized following the Bush presidency.
This is definitely a weak spot for Dems - it may not trump other spots that they may have an advantage over the GOP - but I think on these issues the voters trust the GOP more (or if there was ever a gap between the GOP and the Dems with the Dems ahead - it has been narrowed).
I thought that was McAdams' point. But I'm late to the thread.
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 03:47 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Tea Party extremist at March 25, 2015 03:46 PM (dhU0M)
VP candidate?
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 03:47 PM (x3kcs)
Posted by: kj at March 25, 2015 03:43 PM (lKyWE)
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Nope. Cut and pasted form the Times.
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And the article closes with......
For members of the military, an honorable discharge is no small matter, and not getting one can not only hinder a veterans job prospects, but also weigh on the entirety of how a service member looks back on his or her career.
Dear NY Times....
Do you know what else weighs on his or her career??? Getting more than a dpzen of your fellow soldiers killed while looking your your stupid, selfish sorry ass...
You stupid stupid stupid self righteous unimportant shitstain fucking fucitty McFucksticks....
Posted by: fixerupper at March 25, 2015 03:47 PM (NaV4z)
Never said they were. BUT, 52% that voted for Obola a second time, ARE batshit insane.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 25, 2015 03:48 PM (gECZB)
Posted by: Susan Rice at March 25, 2015 03:48 PM (xWW96)
TRA LA LA LA LA LA LA
Posted by: Bruce Jenner's Plastic Vag at March 25, 2015 03:48 PM (z3CKW)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 25, 2015 03:45 PM (jsWA
yes I just posted their names on my FB page
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 03:48 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Tea Party extremist at March 25, 2015 03:46
O'Malley/Bergdahl 2016
Cruzin for a Bruzin
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 25, 2015 03:48 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 03:48 PM (2PsBq)
So Chelsea and I flipped a coin and I was like, "Ok, you get to be the gay transsexual who hacks the system and releases classified information, and I'llbe the one who converts to Islam andjoins the enemy". We both have issues, and this was the most therapeutic way to work through them.
Posted by: Bowe Bergdahl at March 25, 2015 03:48 PM (xkSSa)
McAdams, I'm neither "conservative" nor an "eyore", and I'm the
farthest thing from fashionable in any way, but that's irrelevant as
it's about me and not the topic, as you surely recognize from your
critical thinking skills.
You changed the question. I don't think any of this will "help" Dems, but I cannot imagine it hurting them, not materially.
And
you might have noticed that the Dems have already run into a spot of
trouble at the federal level, holding the fewest seats in nearly 100
years.
Little if any of that attributable to national security
issues, and there being huge fundamental questions whether it even
matters.
Posted by: rhomboid
Well regardless of your ideology and even if you're a liberal troll, the fact is, all the polling data is showing American trust on National Security for Democrats is at a record low. Republicans beat Democrats on this issue by around 20 points. It's massive
People take National Security seriously, but not every election.
Throughout the Cold War it was why Democrats struggled to get the White House despite a MASSIVE voter advantage
As soon as the Soviet Union fell, Americans elected a Democrat.
After 9/11, the GOP was favored on these issues until the War in Iraq went badly
Doing things like closing Guantanamo in order to placate ACLU-types are going to make at least some voters run into the arms of Republicans, just like they did in the past.
Posted by: McAdams at March 25, 2015 03:48 PM (mdocW)
Posted by: steevy at March 25, 2015 03:49 PM (KETbL)
If Bergdahl is convicted and denied pay and allowances, liberals in Congress will propose a special dispensation for Bergdahl to assist in relieving his pain and suffering. Scumbags like Sheila Jackson Lee and Nancy Pelosi will lead the charge to make his pain go away.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at March 25, 2015 03:49 PM (P330y)
Posted by: goon at March 25, 2015 03:49 PM (gNTQS)
I don't care how anyone spins it, that Bergdahl swap badly backfired on Obama and Democrats.
Posted by: McAdams
Nah -- because the exchange aside, it's pretty easy for the Dems to point back to the hoards of Republicans that were lighting candles for Bergdahl and high-fiving each other when he got back Anyone remember Bergdahl Day parades?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 25, 2015 03:49 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Susan Rice at March 25, 2015 03:49 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Susan Rice at March 25, 2015 03:48 PM (xWW96)
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Epic.Fail.
bwahahahahaha
Posted by: fixerupper at March 25, 2015 03:50 PM (NaV4z)
Posted by: Brian Williams at March 25, 2015 03:50 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 25, 2015 03:45 PM (xSCb6)
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Choomy is the CiC. He gets the last word.
Posted by: Soona at March 25, 2015 03:51 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: maddogg at March 25, 2015 03:51 PM (xWW96)
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Cumulative - they will have an effect. How much I cannot say, but there will be some effect.
I'm paraphrasing here - but someone (maybe Insty) said the problem with the GOP is that on foreign policy - they have actually been too competent. We (the GOP - Reagan specifically) won the Cold War that we were told was not winnable. Iraq - for all its issues and despite the time it took - was relatively secure by the time Obama took the WH.
Clinton and Obama both took office during times when things were calmer than they are now or were prior to their presidency. That had to have some effect.
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 03:51 PM (gmeXX)
Any truth to the rumor that the DNC is trying to put Begdahl on its list of speakers for the 2016 convention?
Posted by: Peregrine Took, Tea Party extremist at March 25, 2015 03:46 PM (dhU0M)
The JEF would like to make him Sec Def.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:51 PM (FsuaD)
Off Susan Rice sock.
Posted by: maddogg at March 25, 2015 03:51 PM (xWW96)
Now go take a shower
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 03:51 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 25, 2015 03:51 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Susan
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Head of The Department of Peace, aka, the Department of Suicidal Appeasement.
Posted by: Brian Williams at March 25, 2015 03:52 PM (F2IAQ)
So none of you go bringing up that point, okay?
Posted by: torquewrench at March 25, 2015 03:52 PM (noWW6)
I don't know who you think you are with all of this fact-based crap.
It's way more fun and anger-provoking to just make shit up.....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 25, 2015 03:52 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Grant Dossetto at March 25, 2015 03:52 PM (vTHH6)
You have to watch the left and their twisting of words:
"misbehavior before the enemy" should actually be "consorting with the enemy".
Misbehavior before the enemy would have meant he would have upheld the code and tried to escape, kill, or damage the enemy.
Posted by: Cheri at March 25, 2015 03:52 PM (G+Wff)
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at March 25, 2015 03:52 PM (JgC5a)
Posted by: Buzzion at March 25, 2015 03:52 PM (z/Ubi)
Alright, I am a Moron after all.
Off Susan Rice sock.
Posted by: maddogg at March 25, 2015 03:51 PM (xWW96)
Thanks for the chuckle
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 25, 2015 03:52 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 25, 2015 03:52 PM (VNgld)
Posted by: dantesed at March 25, 2015 03:53 PM (88xKn)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 25, 2015 03:53 PM (xSCb6)
Never said they were. BUT, 52% that voted for Obola a second time, ARE batshit insane.
half of that 52% hate hillary clinton as much as they hate republicans
Posted by: kj at March 25, 2015 03:53 PM (lKyWE)
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I agree - especially when the evidence suggests that the GOP is stronger than ever - yes I know the GOP does not equal conservative. But there are some conservatives in the GOP.
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 03:54 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 25, 2015 03:54 PM (lmdHn)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 25, 2015 03:54 PM (BZAd3)
George Michael.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 25, 2015 03:54 PM (gECZB)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 25, 2015 03:54 PM (Bn6aD)
32=going to GCM
GCM means death penalty is on the table
Court martial can also give BCD or DD as part of punishment
Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 03:55 PM (2PsBq)
No, it doesn't.
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 03:55 PM (ZKGnj)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 25, 2015 03:53 PM (xSCb6)
That's what you think.
Posted by: Neutered Joint Chiefs at March 25, 2015 03:55 PM (x3kcs)
George Michael.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 25, 2015 03:54 PM (gECZB
Loop of Justin Bieber, Boy George, George Michael & James Taylor.
I would use a sheet.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 25, 2015 03:55 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 25, 2015 03:56 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: maddogg at March 25, 2015 03:56 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 25, 2015 03:56 PM (ODxAs)
really be a flashpoint for something wider. Putin is especially
dangerous with Russia on the brink of economic collapse.
Here
we have Obama on tape mocking Romney for pointing out the danger of Russia or telling a
Russian leader when he had a hot mike that he'll pull missile shields
once he's been safely reelected.
Voters know Democrats are "paper chasers" when it comes to confronting national security problems
It's going to hurt the Left when the world seems a dangerous place.
Posted by: McAdams at March 25, 2015 03:56 PM (mdocW)
"misbehavior before the enemy" should actually be "consorting with the enemy".***
Misbehavior before the enemy is not the left twisting words. It's legal language in the Manual for Courts Martial.
It's a very serious charge.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 25, 2015 03:56 PM (xSCb6)
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Though it went badly - Iraq was relatively secure by the time Obama took the WH - then he gave it away (rather the American people did by electing him - still). Obama benefited from Bush - he inherited a "peace."
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 03:56 PM (gmeXX)
Not if the Dhimmi cockholster media don't mention it.
Posted by: apb at March 25, 2015 03:56 PM (v1fgg)
Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 03:57 PM (2PsBq)
With a light, lilting background of Zamfir & his pan flute.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 25, 2015 03:57 PM (gECZB)
George Michael.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 25, 2015 03:54 PM (gECZB
And his cellmate should be "Chelsea" Manning.
Posted by: Country Singer at March 25, 2015 03:57 PM (8hctH)
Posted by: Buzzion at March 25, 2015 03:52 PM (z/Ubi)
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THIS!
Posted by: Soona at March 25, 2015 03:57 PM (/HX7u)
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I tend to agree with you on this. Hopefully we are right.
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 03:57 PM (gmeXX)
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The core, philosophically committed, Left are certainly insane..., but most the voting public are simply uninformed, or misinformed.
If the media was doing it's job in an unbiased fashion, and actually reporting the big issues, I believe the average person (LIV's included) would be a hell of a lot more pissed off/concerned than they are.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 25, 2015 03:57 PM (F2IAQ)
Napolitano said Bergdahl should have been arrested and jailed awaiting a bond hearing now that charges have been released.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at March 25, 2015 03:57 PM (P330y)
Forfeit all pay from desertion to date
DD
Death by hanging by the neck until dead
Posted by: OG CELTIC-AMERICAN at March 25, 2015 03:57 PM (vssei)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 25, 2015 03:58 PM (Bn6aD)
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Yeah..., well sickeningly we are aboard the train with them. No way to get off.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 25, 2015 03:59 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 03:56 PM (gmeXX)
And Hussein Obama created a vacuum.
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 03:59 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 03:59 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 03:59 PM (2PsBq)
Reduction in rank to e1 Forfeit all pay from desertion to date DD Death by hanging by the neck until dead
forfeiting all pay before they hang him seems a little harsh
Posted by: kj at March 25, 2015 03:59 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: gdonovan at March 25, 2015 04:00 PM (Ipxoj)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 25, 2015 03:58 PM (Bn6aD)
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No..... just fucking no.
That peice of shit shit would be entitled to over $300K of pay and benefits and entilted to rank advancement.
Not just no. Fuck No.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 25, 2015 04:00 PM (NaV4z)
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I tend to agree with you on this. Hopefully we are right.
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 03:57 PM (gmeXX)
Speaking of which:
http://tinyurl.com/plafxd2
Josh Earnest will point to this article as proof that Obama's strategy is working.
And he'll do it with a straight face.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 25, 2015 04:00 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 25, 2015 04:00 PM (F2IAQ)
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Yup. But prejudicing public opinion was the whole point in those instances. And there was sufficient dispute over the facts (even if one side was mostly ignorant as to what the physical evidence suggested). With Bergdahl, no one other than his family is arguing that he didn't desert. And everyone understands that when a soldier deserts, *something* bad should happen to the deserter.
Posted by: junior at March 25, 2015 04:00 PM (UWFpX)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 25, 2015 04:01 PM (BZAd3)
"For members of the military, an honorable discharge is no small matter, and not getting one can not only hinder a veterans job prospects, but also weigh on the entirety of how a service member looks back on his or her career."
A Dishonorable Discharge has a lot of federal restictions placed on you once you are out which many don't know. Such as, "you are not allowed legally permitted to own firearms." Alot of guys usually file a DD 293 to get their discharge "upgraded."
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at March 25, 2015 04:02 PM (Xy0Wc)
these freed Guantanmo prisoners get back on the battlefield and start
killing Americans."
That one is easy. They will tell their catamites in the main stream media to suppress the stories and, as far as the Low Information Voters are concerned, it will be as if it had never happened.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at March 25, 2015 04:02 PM (KDbAT)
Discharges are
Honorable
General Under Honorable Condition
Under Other Than Honorable Conditions
Bad Conduct Discharge
Dishonorable Discharge
First three are administrative discharge
Last two are from courts martial
He should get a DD
Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 04:03 PM (2PsBq)
I give you all four railroads and the orange monopoly.
You give me Pennsylvania Avenue.
Posted by: Barack "the thimble" Obama at March 25, 2015 04:03 PM (nllJH)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 25, 2015 03:58 PM (Bn6aD)
I really don't think that's likely. Maybe for political reasons an "Other Than Honorable," so that it could quietly be upgraded to an Honorable after the noise dies down. Ideally though, he would at the very least get the Big Chicken Dinner (Bad Conduct Discharge) if not a straight up Dishonorable.
Posted by: Country Singer at March 25, 2015 04:03 PM (8hctH)
Or is it AWOL vs desertion?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 25, 2015 04:04 PM (XmOA9)
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 04:04 PM (ZKGnj)
Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 04:04 PM (2PsBq)
That being said, he will retain all rank and salary, be given an Honorable discharge, awarded all expenses incured, and awarded a Distinguished Service medal for heroic resisance as a POW.
Count on it.
Posted by: OG CELTIC-AMERICAN at March 25, 2015 04:04 PM (vssei)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 25, 2015 04:04 PM (xSCb6)
Nebraska (state) senator compares police to ISIS, suggests he'd shoot a cop
http://tinyurl.com/oknv9ya
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 25, 2015 04:05 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Null at March 25, 2015 04:05 PM (xjpRj)
certainly insane..., but most the voting public are simply uninformed,
or misinformed.
If the media was doing it's job in an unbiased fashion, and actually
reporting the big issues, I believe the average person (LIV's included)
would be a hell of a lot more pissed off/concerned than they are.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
I tend to agree with this, and I genuinely think a better candidate could have beat Obama handily.
Some
on our side think the nation has so changed demographically that all
future elections have already been decided and the Democrats win.
Yet the GOP somehow DOMINATES public office in state legislatures, governorships, the House of Rep, the Senate, etc.
We
have challenges moving forward but if you looked at the facts on the
ground, it's the Democrats that should be worried about their electoral
future post Obama. They look to becoming an urban, coastal Party of
failure.
Posted by: McAdams at March 25, 2015 04:05 PM (mdocW)
My apologies for my post at 356 - I thought that this terminolgy was coming from the press and I didn't know that this was an actual legal phrase in the US Military. Thanks for the education.
Posted by: Cheri at March 25, 2015 04:05 PM (G+Wff)
Posted by: Joe "the wheelbarrow" Biden at March 25, 2015 04:05 PM (nllJH)
(c) Any person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be
punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such
other punishment as a court-martial may direct, but if the desertion or
attempt to desert occurs at any other time, by such punishment, other
than death, as a court-martial may direct.”
Posted by: flounder at March 25, 2015 04:06 PM (FHh8u)
Posted by: kj at March 25, 2015 03:59 PM (lKyWE)
Don't worry, we're adept at taking the money before and after the hanging.
Posted by: Defense Finanace and Accounting Service at March 25, 2015 04:06 PM (8hctH)
Tell that to Helene Cooper and the NYT.
Posted by: rd at March 25, 2015 04:06 PM (pLoAJ)
2016 - HBO Presents - Tattered Colors: The Bowie Bergdahl Story
Probably starring that ferret faced guy from Scott Pilgrim and the fat chick from Pitch Perfect.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 25, 2015 04:06 PM (kdS6q)
The difference is intent
AWOL could be late coming back from leave.
Desertion means to stay away for ever
Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 04:06 PM (2PsBq)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 25, 2015 04:06 PM (JVKFK)
have challenges moving forward but if you looked at the facts on the
ground, it's the Democrats that should be worried about their electoral
future post Obama. They look to becoming an urban, coastal Party of
failure.
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Or as I have stated, if any party looks to be the next Whig party it is the Democrat party.
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 04:06 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Null at March 25, 2015 04:07 PM (xjpRj)
Important to remember that Republicans bashed Obama for NOT rescuing #Bergdahl before they trashed him FOR rescuing him...
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 04:07 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 25, 2015 04:07 PM (shFKH)
Posted by: Bruce Jenner's Plastic Vag at March 25, 2015 04:07 PM (z3CKW)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 25, 2015 04:04 PM (XmOA9)
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It may have changed, but when I was in the military, AWOL beyond 30 days was considered desertion, period.
Posted by: Soona at March 25, 2015 04:07 PM (/HX7u)
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I don't remember this, but I do know a rescue is different from a trade.
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 04:07 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Ayatollah Khamenei at March 25, 2015 04:08 PM (xkSSa)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 25, 2015 04:08 PM (MMC8r)
But suppose you walk off a base in Kansas during a time of war?
It seems like the most sever punishments should rightfully be reserved for exactly what this Bowe did---not only walking away, but aiding the enemy.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 25, 2015 04:09 PM (XmOA9)
I want a DNA test on Sal...
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 25, 2015 04:09 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 25, 2015 04:09 PM (R8hU8)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 04:09 PM (FsuaD)
Um.....
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 04:09 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: keena at March 25, 2015 04:09 PM (RiTnx)
Does the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Afghanistan equate to a Declaration of War?
Posted by: rd at March 25, 2015 04:09 PM (pLoAJ)
Posted by: The Prophet at March 25, 2015 04:10 PM (hKyl0)
Yet the GOP somehow DOMINATES public office in state legislatures, governorships, the House of Rep, the Senate, etc.
Posted by: McAdams
That "DOMINATES" has been for all of two years in the House and about two months in the Senate.
Don't you think it's a tad premature to declare The End of History for all things electoral?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 25, 2015 04:10 PM (kdS6q)
and a rt
https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/with_replies
sickening to read what is happening "out there"
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 25, 2015 04:10 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 04:10 PM (FsuaD)
We expected a rescue operation.
Not an auction.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 25, 2015 04:10 PM (4hU+9)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 25, 2015 04:11 PM (XmOA9)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 04:09 PM (FsuaD
I thought she played for the other team, IYKWIM
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 25, 2015 04:11 PM (l1zOH)
with this to preclude the charge of treason and the death penalty.
From AR 99:
shall
be punished by death or such punishment as a court-martial may direct.
Posted by: An Observation - I use Silver Bullet gun oil at March 25, 2015 04:12 PM (ayMqy)
Posted by: dantesed at March 25, 2015 04:12 PM (88xKn)
Posted by: rd at March 25, 2015 04:09 PM (pLoAJ)
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No. Two different animals.
Posted by: Soona at March 25, 2015 04:12 PM (/HX7u)
Gabe blew that up on Twitter.
And really. Does it matter?
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 04:12 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 25, 2015 04:12 PM (R8hU8)
Sally Kohn wades in on Twitter:
Important to remember that Republicans bashed Obama for NOT rescuing #Bergdahl before they trashed him FOR rescuing him...
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 04:07 PM (FsuaD)"
Could we have a citation for that? Which Republicans were those?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at March 25, 2015 04:13 PM (KDbAT)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 25, 2015 04:13 PM (l1zOH)
it hasn't been called AWOL for many decades its UA unauthorized absence
Posted by: kj at March 25, 2015 04:13 PM (lKyWE)
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From a constitutional standpoint, I would say absolutely yes. But I do think that if we are going to send our men and women into harm's way, we should have the guts to call it what it is. So it satisfies the constitutional requirement - but it sure does lack a lot of guts.
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 04:13 PM (gmeXX)
@JuddLegum
Did Sergeant Bergdahl desert the Army or did the Army desert him? http://thkpr.gs/1urpvun
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 25, 2015 04:13 PM (MMC8r)
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From a constitutional standpoint, I would say absolutely yes. But I do think that if we are going to send our men and women into harm's way, we should have the guts to call it what it is. So it satisfies the constitutional requirement - but it sure does lack a lot of guts.
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 04:13 PM (gmeXX)
@JuddLegum
Did Sergeant Bergdahl desert the Army or did the Army desert him? http://thkpr.gs/1urpvun
Riiiiight.... Wasn't He only there a few months?
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 25, 2015 04:14 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 25, 2015 04:14 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 04:14 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: An Observation - I use Silver Bullet gun oil at March 25, 2015 04:12 PM (ayMqy)
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Again, I'm only commenting on what I heard in the official press announcement. There was no mention of the death penalty with the AR 99 charge. Only life in prison.
Posted by: Soona at March 25, 2015 04:14 PM (/HX7u)
I had to laugh a little.......
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 25, 2015 04:14 PM (LA7Cm)
Sally Kohn knows that republican's are monolithic in thought, and I know that all lesbians also have singular thought process when they say "we're down for the pussy and hate the cock."
Posted by: Doctor Fish at March 25, 2015 04:15 PM (P330y)
they're in full cover TFG's @$$ mode
because this looks bad
really bad
Obama is a clusterfark of failures
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 25, 2015 04:15 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 04:15 PM (ko4zy)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower
Nice to see that the left suddenly gives a shit about military rank. Kinda like how the left suddenly and briefly cared about PTSD when Maj Hasan had hid case of workplace violence.
At the time, it was argued that hasan was able to get PTSD from dealing with troops returning from the theater of operations.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 25, 2015 04:16 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 04:16 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: captain*arizona at March 25, 2015 04:16 PM (y3bNS)
Posted by: rd at March 25, 2015 04:09 PM (pLoAJ)
Pretty much so. Congress' power to declare war is a plenary power, meaning they have all of the power regarding that subject. Congress can declare as much war as they want from the full and formal to much more limited hostilities - limited as to geographic area, which forces are to be used, which forces are to be attacked, and so forth.
The first foreign war the US was in after the revolution was the Undeclared Naval War with France and the SCOTUS had to deal with a claim about an American merchant ship that had been recaptured by an American privateer. The court held that it wasn't a full declaration of a "perfect war" - like WWI or WWII; but since nations can wage limited wars that power to declare a limited war belongs to Congress and thus the letter of marque issued was good despite no formal declaration.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 25, 2015 04:16 PM (hLRSq)
Those were the days when we went from nothing to a flag on the moon in less than nine years. Today?
Posted by: despair at March 25, 2015 04:16 PM (J6suc)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 04:16 PM (FsuaD)
it hasn't been called AWOL for many decades its UA unauthorized absence
Posted by: kj
Bergdahl was AWOL alright
A
White
Osama-bin-Laden
Lover
Posted by: zombie at March 25, 2015 04:17 PM (K4YiS)
I had to throw-up in my mouth a little...
Posted by: Max Hennessy, Pr0n Star at March 25, 2015 04:17 PM (Jwwj/)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 04:17 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Burn
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Bwahahahahaha.
Don't worry, the media will smother the story, and provide me cover..., "Act of compassion, etc, etc..."
Posted by: Barky at March 25, 2015 04:17 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 25, 2015 04:18 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: no good deed at March 25, 2015 04:18 PM (ZKGnj)
Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 04:18 PM (ko4zy)
Heh.
Purely unintentional.
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 04:18 PM (48QDY)
Touched a koran without wearing white kid gloves.
Posted by: despair at March 25, 2015 04:18 PM (J6suc)
Posted by: Burn
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As though I give a shit about the morale of the military. Why do you think I've injected trannys and gheys?
Posted by: Barky at March 25, 2015 04:19 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 04:19 PM (FsuaD)
Could we have a citation for that? Which Republicans were those?
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole
COOPER: So if there was some -- the possibility of some sort of exchange, that's something you would support?
McCAIN: I would support. Obviously I'd have to know the details, but I would support ways of bringing him home, and if exchange was one of them, I think that would be something I think we should seriously consider.
Feb. 18, 2014
The gift that keeps on giving.....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 25, 2015 04:19 PM (kdS6q)
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Perhaps I am mis-interpreting you, but i'm not sure I agree fully with your statement. They have power to declare war - that is it (they then have power of purse). But they do not have power to limit which forces may be used - not to my understanding of the Constitution anyway. Congress can declare war against France but only using the Navy. I think the President would fully be within his right to say - you declared war against France and I am going to only use the Army.
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 04:19 PM (gmeXX)
When I turn on the "news," I see the news of a different universe. It is nothing like the mainstream outside world I encounter each and every day.
For instance, yesterday's top news story was Angelina Jolie's breasts.
Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 04:20 PM (ko4zy)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 25, 2015 04:20 PM (MMC8r)
announcement. There was no mention of the death penalty with the AR 99
charge. Only life in prison.
What are you going to believe, an Obama administration press announcement or what is written in the UCMJ?
Posted by: An Observation - I use Silver Bullet gun oil at March 25, 2015 04:21 PM (ayMqy)
Posted by: dantesed at March 25, 2015 04:21 PM (88xKn)
Because of the war and risk he put others at this should go to GCM
I say e-1, total forfeiture
No jail cause captivity
Posted by: Thunder B, exJAG at March 25, 2015 04:21 PM (2PsBq)
They should start each newscast with Here's the bullshit we decided to feed to you today...
Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 04:21 PM (ko4zy)
Ain't that the truth...
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 25, 2015 04:22 PM (Bn6aD)
He'll pardon him on his way out the door.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 25, 2015 04:22 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 25, 2015 04:22 PM (jsWA8)
Feb. 18, 2014
The gift that keeps on giving.....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 25, 2015 04:19 PM (kdS6q)
The sad thing is he knew way more than us.
Playing the eternal victim card.
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 04:22 PM (48QDY)
Don't you think it's a tad premature to declare The End of History for all things electoral?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervi
I think in the US political parties tend to be a pendelum that swings back and forth.
I certainly don't believe the GOP is going to dominate the future, my point is I get tired of the "the Left owns the future" meme spread by the MSM, Democrats, and our own side.
If you looked logically at Democrats' position right now, it's awful, and the GOP is probably at a near all time high for elected office holders.
Our side though likes to indulge in the idea that it's too late and we've already lost. And that way of thinking hurts us at the ballot box.
Posted by: McAdams at March 25, 2015 04:22 PM (mdocW)
because this looks bad
really bad
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* runs down mental list of country-destroying 'looks bad' moments for Obama *
All forgotten/suppressed by the media.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 25, 2015 04:22 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: President Omalicious at March 25, 2015 04:23 PM (igEaG)
The same media who tells you that Obama is a Genius, tells you the Cruz is an Idiot.
Never forget that.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 25, 2015 04:23 PM (4hU+9)
ah, the ol' malcolm x logic...
think progress: Did the Germanwings flight crash into the ground or did the ground crash into that airplane?
Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 04:24 PM (ko4zy)
Stupid if he knew other wise We should have been trying harder to get those others released... You know, the Americans who had their heads chopped off. Why did obama care so much about this one?
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 25, 2015 04:24 PM (Bn6aD)
Come on, people. It's not like he strapped a dog to the roof of his car.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower
Putting student election flyers under dome doors a week early.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 25, 2015 04:24 PM (kdS6q)
Pretty much they can. Conducting the war is done by the president - with congressional oversight - but congress can lay out the terms in their authorization.
(As much oversight as they care to give.)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 25, 2015 04:24 PM (hLRSq)
Do the morons have any thoughts about that?
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at March 25, 2015 04:24 PM (Xy0Wc)
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..., the unpleasant truths, we will simply not mention.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 25, 2015 04:24 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 04:20 PM (ko4zy)
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I thought those were long gone....
Posted by: fixerupper at March 25, 2015 04:24 PM (NaV4z)
I loved her when she was the drummer for The Police.
(Sally Kohn = Stewart Copeland)
Posted by: wooga at March 25, 2015 04:25 PM (nllJH)
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 25, 2015 04:25 PM (T1Jm0)
Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 04:20 PM (ko4zy)
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I thought those were long gone....
Yeah, it was Her ovaries...
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 25, 2015 04:25 PM (Bn6aD)
Just got arrested in GA for DUI.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 25, 2015 04:22 PM (jsWA
Seriously? Dammit. I'm sure he's a hot mess. Poor guy.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 25, 2015 04:26 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: kj at March 25, 2015 04:13 PM (lKyWE)
Whattya trying to say about me?
Get offa my lawn!
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 25, 2015 04:26 PM (XmOA9)
(As much oversight as they care to give.)
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The president is free to ignore their oversight. Congress can exercise oversight on the President via the power of the purse, via appointments (including officers), but there is some oversight that it simply does not have under the Constitution.
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 04:26 PM (gmeXX)
Just like the unfortunate Pvt Bergdahl, another example of our fearless men being let down by our military.
Posted by: The MSM at March 25, 2015 04:26 PM (4hU+9)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna
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Bergdahl's dad probably sent Obama s prayer rug.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 25, 2015 04:26 PM (F2IAQ)
McAdams.
The problem is the Point of Suspension has been moved to left over time.
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 04:26 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 25, 2015 04:26 PM (hLRSq)
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If it's as you say, then why hasn't there a formal declaration of war since WWII? As I've understood it, and from the little bit of information I've been exposed to, a declaration of war initiates a whole different national/industrial reaction than limited armed conflicts, "police actions" if you will. A declaration of war usually means the disruption of everyday life as we know it in order to supply and support the actions of war.
Posted by: Soona at March 25, 2015 04:26 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 25, 2015 04:27 PM (Bn6aD)
Claim whatever you want. But convince me with real, hard evidence.
Posted by: HH at March 25, 2015 04:27 PM (Ce4DF)
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I agree - but that doesn't mean they can then impose limitations. Further, the President can equally choose to ignore Congress' declaration.
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 04:28 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 25, 2015 04:28 PM (jsWA8)
Posted by: An Observation - I use Silver Bullet gun oil at March 25, 2015 04:28 PM (ayMqy)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 25, 2015 04:28 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 04:26 PM (gmeXX)
Well, I wouldn't bet on that. Congressional investigations into the conduct of wars and campaigns has a long history.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 25, 2015 04:28 PM (hLRSq)
I think in the US political parties tend to be a pendelum that swings back and forth.
Posted by: McAdams at March 25, 2015 04:22 PM (mdocW)
That pendulum has been lurching ever more to the left for 100 years. When it does "swing right", it never goes back as far as it was before.
Posted by: rickl at March 25, 2015 04:28 PM (zoehZ)
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It is political cowardice for sure. And I would prefer we just say what things are. But I don't think it changes anything from a constitutional perspective of whether Congress has actually declared war or not.
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 04:29 PM (gmeXX)
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Deep down, they know it. The part of them that knows it might be the part that they viciously repress, but they know it.
The public at large generally doesn't work to repress that part of themselves, so they won't have the same hang-ups that the press does.
Posted by: junior at March 25, 2015 04:29 PM (UWFpX)
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They lied again! Yesterdays news story was about her ovaries, not boobies.
Posted by: Boots at March 25, 2015 04:29 PM (l9mF2)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 25, 2015 04:29 PM (4hU+9)
For instance, yesterday's top news story was Angelina Jolie's breasts.
Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed
Oh, wouldn't that be -- ovaries?
Posted by: Eliza Doolittle
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 25, 2015 04:30 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 04:30 PM (/tNwW)
Do the morons have any thoughts about that?
Don't doubt that they exist.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 25, 2015 04:30 PM (gECZB)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 04:30 PM (/tNwW)
Not to mention insulting to all that Served or have ever Served.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 04:31 PM (/tNwW)
Because no one has wanted to go there? I don't know the reasons but I suspect there hasn't been the political will to authorize something like that, only more limited actions.
This doesn't take place in a domestic political vacuum, after all.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 25, 2015 04:31 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna
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Maybe Obama can paw Mrs. Bergdahl again.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 25, 2015 04:31 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: captain*arizona at March 25, 2015 04:31 PM (y3bNS)
ot
over at the freebeacon
hillary needs to be sunk for good
keep digging
SENATOR HIGHLIGHTS CLINTON TIES TO NIGERIAN DONOR
VITTER INVESTIGATES CLINTON'S RELUCTANCE TO DESIGNATE BOKO HARAM AS TERRORIST GROUP
so much dirty money
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 25, 2015 04:31 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 25, 2015 04:32 PM (u8GsB)
Ovaries. My mistake.
But her breasts were mentioned in conjunction with her latest malady. Because she's so brave for sharing and raising awareness like this is all new ground for medical science.
Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 25, 2015 04:32 PM (ko4zy)
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Yes, but some of that is political - both branches have to deal with political realities. The Dems hated the Iraq war, but they never fought to defund it. We are arguing hypotheticals here. My point was that Congress cannot tell the President how to conduct a war - or military engagement. Congress can use what oversight powers it has to guide the president and they can make it a political issue. But they lack the inherent Constitutional authority to limit the President in ways you suggested.
That is my belief anyway.
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 04:32 PM (gmeXX)
hell if his unit rotated back to the states while he was captive i'd have nailed him with an article 87 missing a movement too
Posted by: kj at March 25, 2015 04:32 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 04:31 PM
Prolly not their core subscription group.
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 04:33 PM (x3kcs)
Another example they love: "The city has suffered a rash of shootings and violent crime. The streets claim another victim".
Passive voice! Never any mention of who is responsible. Just "streets". Humph.
Posted by: fugazi at March 25, 2015 04:33 PM (qxL5y)
Posted by: toby928(C) mutters at March 25, 2015 04:34 PM (evdj2)
A request for comment about the news was referred by the White House to the Department of Defense, which is in charge of the investigation.
Not only are the Progressives in the White House lying bastard but they are also moral cowards in every way possible
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 04:34 PM (/tNwW)
A request for comment about the news was referred by the White House to the Department of Defense, which is in charge of the investigation.
Not only are the Progressives in the White House lying bastard but they are also moral cowards in every way possible
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 04:34 PM (/tNwW)
This debacle in the media is the made up controversy of why did you trade 5 top terrorists to get our man back.
The real controversy should be, exactly why did Obama want these 5 specific terrorists released. Bergdahl was nothing except an opportunity to get these guys released. Obama even tried to make Bergdahl more important to the U.S. by holding a parade and the like.
This is all an obvious attempt to hide the real reason for wanting these 5 released - and that is what the media should be trying to figure out.
Was there some backroom deal that got us something for their release and Bergdahl was just a convenient face for that? It would be my guess. I can't possibly believe that Obama is really pro-terrorist and just wanted them released for free.
Posted by: doug at March 25, 2015 04:34 PM (IYEs/)
Posted by: fugazi
"The gun went off/discharged". It's especially fun when you hear a cop say this. Nice to know when you're being lied to by someone you're paying to carry a weapon.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 25, 2015 04:35 PM (Spluw)
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I think in part because a lot of wars since WWII have been ideological wars. War nonetheless.
But I would be happy with the next President saying either you declare it a war or I will not go.
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 04:35 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 04:31 PM
Prolly not their core subscription group.
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 04:33 PM (x3kcs)
Nope. your 100% correct. As they go about destroying the Commissary System and Tricare
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 25, 2015 04:35 PM (/tNwW)
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 25, 2015 04:35 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 04:35 PM (x3kcs)
Posted by: toby928(C) mutters at March 25, 2015 04:36 PM (evdj2)
^^^^^^
This.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 25, 2015 04:37 PM (gECZB)
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 25, 2015 04:35 PM (Spluw)
See Rush SUV's circa 2000.
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 04:37 PM (x3kcs)
Posted by: toby928(C) mutters at March 25, 2015 04:37 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Boots at March 25, 2015 04:38 PM (l9mF2)
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 04:35 PM (gmeXX)
Total war or nothing? I suspect no president or congress will accept such a restriction on the nation's foreign policy.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 25, 2015 04:38 PM (hLRSq)
Oh, so we're worrying about unemployment now? Since when?
Maybe the NYT could concern itself with the 90+ million Americans currently out of work while Obama and Congress continue to increase immigration (including H1-B visas). None of the current unemployed signed up to serve their country and then defected to the enemy - think I'm more concerned about the job prospects of non-traitors, NYT.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 25, 2015 04:38 PM (TLTHv)
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 04:35 PM (gmeXX)
*Taking notes.
Posted by: Golfman at March 25, 2015 04:39 PM (x3kcs)
ISIS is hiring.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 25, 2015 04:39 PM (MMC8r)
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"There are eight million stories in the naked city."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 25, 2015 04:40 PM (F2IAQ)
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More just call it what it is. We are declaring war on ISIS (whoever) - now you have the power to fight it as you see fit.
We have the power to provide oversight the way we see fit.
One can dream.
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 04:40 PM (gmeXX)
He loses all benefits including any VA stuff with an OTH, so there is at least that.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 25, 2015 04:41 PM (4oSLk)
Posted by: toby928(C) mutters at March 25, 2015 04:42 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: SH at March 25, 2015 04:43 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Seems Legit at March 25, 2015 04:51 PM (A98Xu)
I want him in front of a firing squad.
Posted by: orthodoc at March 25, 2015 04:51 PM (VL1jw)
Because a Declaration of War means that you intend to disregard the Customary Relations Between Nations. You can systematically steal their stuff and imprison their citizens for instatnce. These are normally frowned on.
ISIS and other non state actors are more in the line of pirates. You not only *can* do just about anything to them that you want but are in many ways *obligated* to capture and/or kill them.
Posted by: toby928(C) mutters at March 25, 2015 04:53 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Seems Legit at March 25, 2015 04:54 PM (A98Xu)
Posted by: toby928(C) mutters at March 25, 2015 04:56 PM (evdj2)
I really didn't have much of an objection about President Obama releasing the five Talibunnies and what I did have only concerned the altitude.
Posted by: 11B40 at March 25, 2015 05:13 PM (yMbU8)
Posted by: lindafell cruzin' in Vegas at March 25, 2015 05:23 PM (faFC1)
Well that just makes no sense. How do you have strategic war on 'terror'? Terror is a damn word. Just like muslims is a word. Wait a minute,,,
Posted by: Eromero at March 25, 2015 05:28 PM (go5uR)
Posted by: hurricane567 at March 25, 2015 05:41 PM (WvmTs)
Posted by: Mikey at March 25, 2015 05:48 PM (Uff7i)
Posted by: Afroman at March 25, 2015 05:55 PM (L+Qms)
But I hear folks yapping about executing the little shmuck, and how "no other country would tolerate this."
Truth to tell I can't think of a Western Country that has executed a soldier for desertion since the end of WW II. That's not to say that they didn't execute plenty of soldiers for desertion during WWI and WW II. It's just that they stopped doing that along about 1945. Private Eddie Slovik was the last US soldier executed for desertion.
Posted by: Comanche Voter at March 25, 2015 05:55 PM (3rLmo)
Posted by: dogfish at March 25, 2015 06:21 PM (1vYi0)
Posted by: ron n. at March 25, 2015 06:28 PM (YVQn/)
Posted by: Horatius at March 25, 2015 07:24 PM (UKhBB)
Posted by: Mistress Overdone at March 26, 2015 01:11 AM (2/oBD)
I don't want him to serve time, i want him hanged.
Posted by: iowaan at March 26, 2015 10:02 AM (hXclJ)
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