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Senator For Gurlz (TM) Kirsten Gillibrand: Don't Blame The "Victim" Who Invented The UVA Gang-Rape Hoax Out of Whole Cloth Just To Get the Attention of a Boy She Had a Crush On
We need a National Conversation explaining how fake victims of hoax-rapes are just as much victims as victims of actual rape, I guess.
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, who is pushing for stronger laws against rapes on college campuses, today warned against people criticizing the woman at the center of a University of Virginia sexual assault case. ...She came forward with a horrible lie, you stupid twat.
But Gillibrand said the ire over the case shouldn't shift blame onto victims, who already have a hard time coming forward to authorities. "Victim blaming or shining the spotlight on her for coming forward is not the right approach," Gillibrand said on "The Capitol Pressroom," a public radio show in Albany. "In fact, what we have to focus on is how do we keep these campuses safe? How do we have better trained personnel on campuses so they can tell a survivor what her options are and so they can have all the facts?"
Are you on Mars, you fucking idiot? She shouldn't be "believed" because, get this, she made it all up. This is a major theme of the Feminist Cultists. Just yesterday Jessica Valenti claimed we shouldn't engage in "victim blaming" here. Again, forgetting that "Jackie" is not a victim. She instead is a perpetrator, of spreading a vicious slander against complete strangers just to get A Boy's Attention. I can't say she's guilty of filing a false police complaint because she seems to have completely refused to discuss her Fake Gang Rape with the police. Let me suggest the obvious here: Feminist Cultists like Gillibrand and Valenti may be speaking, ostensibly, about not blaming the "victim" "Jackie" here, but what they're really most determined is that they themselves not be blamed for believing such a grotesque and stupid lie, nor of cursing those who (wisely) doubted it. I don't know what these two fine Cultists said, but I know when the first guy to raise questions raised some questions, he was attacked by the flock of harpies as a woman-hating rape-loving monster. Well, now it's proven that these Cultists were in fact the monsters, and foisted a lie on the nation to aggrandize themselves. And they don't want to be called out for that (despite the fact that "calling out" is a favorite tactic of the left). So their tactic is to say "Let's not talk about the 'victim' here," which just coincidentally squelches all related discussion of Gillibrand's and Valenti's eagerness to believe stupid fairy-tales that advance their political cause and, coincidentally again I'm sure, their social position within The Cause. I call upon Senator Gillibrand to recuse herself from all votes having to do with Title IX, rape, domestic violence, or other women's issues. She is plainly only representing the Ladysisters, not her constituents generally, and she's moreover only representing a tiny slice of female voters -- the Ashley Judd Demographic. Women are fond of saying men shouldn't get a say in women's issues because men don't have the empathy or experience necessary. Well, likewise, the man-hating harridan Gillibrand should no longer be permitted to vote on laws which may result in men being put in jail for alleged transgressions against women. Gillibrand is such a man-hating harpy that she actually wants innocent men held to account for crimes they never committed, because to declare them innocent would be too hurtful and "triggering" for the female liar that hostaed the slander. She has disqualified herself from voting on these issues. She can give speeches on the Senate floor like an advocate, but she must recuse herself from casting votes on these issues. She is plainly too corrupted by a lunatic ideology of hatred to be allowed to do that.
Gillibrand said it would be wrong for some to call on the female student in the UVA scandal to face criminal charges. "I think it's inappropriate," she said. "One of the challenges with survivors of sexual trauma and rape is that they often don’t want to actually participate with law enforcement because they don’t think justice is possible. They don't think they will be believed; they think they’ll be blamed."
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: OregonMuse at March 24, 2015 01:45 PM (I8YZX)
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 24, 2015 01:45 PM (I8YZX)
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 24, 2015 01:45 PM (I8YZX)
Are you on Mars, you fucking idiot? She shouldn't be "believed" because, get this, she made it all up.
Trying to follow the logic here, coach.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2015 01:45 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 24, 2015 01:45 PM (I8YZX)
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2015 01:46 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Garrett at March 24, 2015 01:46 PM (6y+F2)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 24, 2015 01:46 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 24, 2015 01:46 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Henchman Applicant #1 at March 24, 2015 01:46 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2015 01:46 PM (7/YOc)
A "Hands Up, don't RAPE" meme?
Bring those two subsets of false allegations to light?
Posted by: BB Wolf at March 24, 2015 01:46 PM (qh617)
I thought you f*cking women were equal to us. Its obviously not true.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 01:46 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: Horus at March 24, 2015 01:47 PM (6y+F2)
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 24, 2015 01:45 PM (I8YZX
See yesterday. Its my new Restaurant Chain, boiler makers and roofies at Happy Hour.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 01:47 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 24, 2015 01:47 PM (zauWW)
Gillibrand was a so-called Blue Dog Dem up till then.
Once gifted with a Senate seat, she became Chuckie Screwmer's lapdog.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 24, 2015 01:48 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Mister Magic at March 24, 2015 01:48 PM (Kli3h)
Rape is illegal. You can't make it more illegal by passing another law. How about we stop passing laws on top of laws on top of laws and try making sense for a change?
And if there was no rape, there was no crime - except in the false accusation of rape.
Posted by: despair at March 24, 2015 01:48 PM (J6suc)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 01:46 PM (2Aj5D)
But some pigs are more equal, than others...
Posted by: FemiNazi who believes 1984 is an instruction manual at March 24, 2015 01:48 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 01:46 PM (2Aj5D)
Hey buddy, don't lump us all in with these feminazis...
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at March 24, 2015 01:49 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 01:49 PM (2Aj5D)
Fair enough. From now on I won't blame the Dawson's Creek dude.
Did I do that right?
Posted by: anon a mouse at March 24, 2015 01:49 PM (KnbYp)
OK, now I ma a victim.
By Gillibrand's own rules, the fact that there is no actual evidence that Gillibrand raped me is irrelevant to whether or not I am a victim.
By merely claiming to have been raped -- raped by Gillibrand that is -- I instantly achieve kryptonite victimhood status that cannot be revoked. And all statements by me must be kowtowed to and believed, evidence or no evidence.
I therefore say: We must ban women from the Senate! They become rapists and are out of control!
I have the Victim Talking Stick, so you must OBEY!
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2015 01:49 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at March 24, 2015 01:49 PM (Sd++4)
Don't Rape!
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 24, 2015 01:49 PM (16bOT)
Posted by: steevy at March 24, 2015 01:49 PM (KETbL)
Posted by: tu3031 at March 24, 2015 01:49 PM (i0wGQ)
Posted by: joncelli at March 24, 2015 01:50 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 24, 2015 01:50 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: MayBee at March 24, 2015 01:50 PM (owMUc)
So the Duke lacrosse team should have been lynched by the new and improved black panthers?
So does this mean that we should haul the rapist out of jail that raped and murdered two UVa coeds and kill him?
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 24, 2015 01:50 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 24, 2015 01:50 PM (kff5f)
Actually, she was quite hittable when she was a bit younger. One of the very few attractive Dem women.
Not so much these days though. She seems to have contracted Mary Landrieu Syndrome.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 24, 2015 01:50 PM (7ObY1)
What they need to do is find a scapegoat, someone they can convict for the made-up rape. Then they can feel better about themselves.
Hint, don't pick anyone black, hispanic, transgender, or mohammedan. Those are protected classes.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2015 01:50 PM (SNs7J)
Or because they'll be prosecuted for making false statements. There's a reason why those making false allegations only seek remediation through the university system.
Posted by: redsweater at March 24, 2015 01:50 PM (q5JWV)
Can you blame them ace? You yourself have written several times that the way to win people over politically is to explain that the other side were liars, but the person your trying to convince wasn't a rube.
Not justifying. Just explaining.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at March 24, 2015 01:50 PM (DQZLr)
Posted by: Golfman - We Have No Hill at March 24, 2015 01:51 PM (iVjJr)
Posted by: PiperPaul at March 24, 2015 01:51 PM (bz4bs)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 24, 2015 01:51 PM (ZPrif)
If it's a running joke, I don't get it.
...
not a joke, I just don't know her name, and i never feel like looking it up.
i've fixed it now.
Posted by: ace at March 24, 2015 01:51 PM (PA7DS)
Posted by: dogfish at March 24, 2015 01:51 PM (1vYi0)
Posted by: please dont squeeze the soothie at March 24, 2015 01:51 PM (99lLg)
The Millenium Falcon needs some maintenance work first. Hold your hat. Or hold your Birkenstocks. Whichever.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 24, 2015 01:51 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: anon a mouse at March 24, 2015 01:51 PM (KnbYp)
The Narrative must live on..
Posted by: please dont squeeze the soothie at March 24, 2015 01:52 PM (99lLg)
Posted by: OG CELTIC-AMERICAN at March 24, 2015 01:52 PM (vssei)
...seriously?
-George Orwell.
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 24, 2015 01:52 PM (16bOT)
25 Does anyone know where Michelle Obama will be flying to next? We like
to keep track of our First Lady of Color trips and meetings threw out
the world.
Cambodia....
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at March 24, 2015 01:52 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: dogfish at March 24, 2015 01:51 PM (1vYi0)
Hell, don't be in the same building as Teh Crazeee
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 01:52 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 24, 2015 01:52 PM (JBzwC)
Posted by: huerfano at March 24, 2015 01:52 PM (bAGA/)
Kudos and a 55-gallon drum of Valu-Rite to the first senator who reminds her of that.
Which Senator Boy would do. A. Lot.
Someone should also remind Little Miss Can't Be Wrong that in our country, crimes are always reported to the authorities and the accused are always considered innocent until proven guilty.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at March 24, 2015 01:53 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: ToursLepantoVienna at March 24, 2015 01:53 PM (F9l4e)
*Damn that logic hurt*
Posted by: wrg500 at March 24, 2015 01:53 PM (sWgE+)
You eventually come to look like the person you really are.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 24, 2015 01:53 PM (I8YZX)
Who could hang a name on you
When you change with every new day?
Still I'm glad to see you.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 24, 2015 01:53 PM (pQL3p)
Posted by: ryukyu at March 24, 2015 01:53 PM (j29PP)
it must be said
double standards, always
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 24, 2015 01:54 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at March 24, 2015 01:54 PM (Bn6aD)
Does she realize how many lives are ruined by this nonsense? If someone LIES and accuses someone else of a crime, shouldn't they go to jail or at the very least be VERY publicly shamed?
It's no joke. If she had been a better (or more dedicated liar), there could be 5 or 6 people looking at 25 to life right now. That's beyond serious.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 01:54 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Henry Waxman at March 24, 2015 01:54 PM (LA7Cm)
And you all laughed at me, but I WAS RIGHT!
Posted by: Joseph Swetnam at March 24, 2015 01:54 PM (OiH3z)
Posted by: Fritz at March 24, 2015 01:55 PM (ty633)
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 24, 2015 01:55 PM (sH832)
Robby Soave at Reason was nearly burned at the stake for raising the question early on.
Don't know if that's the first opening, but it was the first widely read one...
Posted by: anon a mouse at March 24, 2015 01:55 PM (KnbYp)
I realize rape is different, but participating in the criminal justice system isn't easy for anyone.
I mean- look at the Casey Anthony trial and the case in Serial. In both cases, the guy who found the body became a suspect Had to get investigated, all of his flaws written up in the newspaper, his name and reputation disparaged at trial.
All for finding a body!
Why is it only with rape we acknowledge just how hard it is, and make special rules for the accuser?
Posted by: MayBee at March 24, 2015 01:55 PM (owMUc)
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 24, 2015 01:55 PM (IRiM9)
Posted by: Unnamed Democrat Pervert Petting You on the Ass at March 24, 2015 01:55 PM (16bOT)
Posted by: wrg500 at March 24, 2015 01:53 PM (sWgE+)
If your fingers offend you, cut them f*ckers off.
ace, may have jumped the shark. I'll just drown instead. No way could I say was in the party of this loony tunes bitch.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 01:55 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: Fritz at March 24, 2015 01:55 PM (ty633)
The whole campus has a vagina? That must get pretty gross after a while.
Posted by: joncelli at March 24, 2015 01:56 PM (RD7QR)
I suspect (in general) people on the right are more strongly against rape than those on the left because many of the right would use capital punishment on those convicted of rape.
Posted by: SH at March 24, 2015 01:56 PM (gmeXX)
One way to keep a campus safe is not for Univ Administrations to call out innocent fraternities so that that may be harassed, vandalized, subject to violence, and had their organization banned from campus.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 24, 2015 01:56 PM (ODxAs)
But I don't think he was the first. Perhaps the angriest, but not the first.
Steve Sailer was pretty early as well. But he's a mild-mannered guy. His "Bullshit!' claims are usually written more as, "well, that's probably not actually true".
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 24, 2015 01:56 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: OG CELTIC-AMERICAN at March 24, 2015 01:56 PM (vssei)
Not to mention that these guys will FOREVER be know as the guys from the UVA rape case.
Posted by: wrg500 at March 24, 2015 01:56 PM (sWgE+)
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at March 24, 2015 01:56 PM (DQZLr)
Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2015 01:56 PM (/HX7u)
Bam! That's it Ace.
Posted by: dogfish at March 24, 2015 01:56 PM (1vYi0)
They want equality.
This is equality of the liars and manipulators.
Should be equality of punishment as well.
Many women will get away with this because - they look like kittens versus lions.
That said, many good looking (and/or well off) men will get away with a lot, too. But women are still considered the "weaker sex" by the left's standards. Double or not.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 24, 2015 01:56 PM (IXrOn)
I know about the boilermakers and roofies, but what kind of drinks do you serve?
Hopefully, something that tastes sweet and fruity and disguises the large amount of Valu-Rite that's required.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 24, 2015 01:56 PM (I8YZX)
Posted by: Pedantic Joe, Buff for life at March 24, 2015 01:57 PM (PhNHa)
How in Hell did anything go on in a pitch black room full of people and broken glass?
A: it couldn't have happened as stated, since no one went to an ER shredded by glass.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 24, 2015 01:57 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 24, 2015 01:45 PM (I8YZX)
Out rapin'.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2015 01:57 PM (2Ojst)
When you can't, I guess you just have make one up.
Posted by: MTF, Vote For Someone The GOP Insiders Hate at March 24, 2015 01:57 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: please dont squeeze the soothie at March 24, 2015 01:58 PM (99lLg)
WaPo was the first to "fact check" i believe, but I seem to recall people calling bullshit from about 30 seconds after the article was published.
Her article never made sense, especially the dialogue between her and her "friends" after the alleged rape, when her friends said, "you'll ruin our social lives if you tell the police you were just gang banged. So no big deal, walk it off" and her "hook up queen" friend said "oh em gee, youre so lucky to get gang raped by those hot frat boys. I'm totes jealous."
All of this happening in front of the house in question while the girl was covered in blood from being raped on top of broken glass.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 01:58 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: please dont squeeze the soothie at March 24, 2015 01:58 PM (99lLg)
Bam! That's it Ace.
Posted by: dogfish at March 24, 2015 01:56 PM (1vYi0)
They would have to admit that they themselves may just be guilty of such lies.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 24, 2015 01:58 PM (IXrOn)
.. ew ... it's the Senate ladies restroom, never mind.
*backs out quickly*
Posted by: @votermom at March 24, 2015 01:58 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at March 24, 2015 01:59 PM (Bn6aD)
Rape is illegal. You can't make it more illegal by passing another law.
Posted by: despair at March 24, 2015 01:48 PM (J6suc)
The donks keep trying to make "illegal guns" illegaler, so it follows that they'd pull the same shit with other things.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 24, 2015 01:59 PM (SpnVI)
But if you want to keep digging that hole let me recommend some heavy equipment to you.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 24, 2015 01:59 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: anon a mouse at March 24, 2015 01:59 PM (KnbYp)
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This was basically the part of the story that convinced me it was fake.
Posted by: SH at March 24, 2015 01:59 PM (gmeXX)
It's dangerously backward: Our current system rewards colleges and universities for keeping campus sexual assault in the shadows, and our culture too often lays the blame on survivors.
[she should run for president! just not here.]
Posted by: mallfly at March 24, 2015 01:59 PM (qSIlh)
What the actual f*ck?
Are we supposed to believe that a lack of strong laws is the problem here?
First off: there is no problem here. Rapes are not particularly common on college campii (unless you start counting "unwanted kissing," and "regret after" as rape). There is no evidence they are any more common than anywhere else.
Second: The problem with law-breakers is that they do not care that they are breaking the law. If there *were* an acute problem with college rape, the rapists *are already breaking the law and don't care.*
Which brings us to...
Third: Equal Protection, b*tch, do you speak it? My *location* is not good enough reason to say that a crime against me is somehow less bad than a crime against someone else three blocks away.
And finally: If you want "stronger laws against rape" (note that I left out the "college" there), then you have to insist on harsher sentences for rapists. But about the only way you could do that is by making rape a capitol offense.
Now, I am actually on board with making rape a capitol offense. I believe the *least* that should happen to a rapist is life without the possibility of parole. I would happily vote to execute anyone convicted of rape.
I do not, for a moment, believe that Kristen Gillibrand believes the same way. In fact, I believe that any law she proposes will basically be an attempt for the Federal Government to exert yet more control of colleges.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 24, 2015 01:59 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Michael at March 24, 2015 01:59 PM (KClXw)
The whole campus has a vagina? That must get pretty gross after a while.
Posted by: joncelli at March 24, 2015 01:56 PM (RD7QR)
I hear every 28 days.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 01:59 PM (2Aj5D)
They dont want equality.
They want power over Other.
--
They want specifically disparate treatment for different classes of people.
No different than their previous iterations.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2015 01:59 PM (SNs7J)
Posted by: steevy at March 24, 2015 02:00 PM (KETbL)
A jury can only find a criminal defendant guilty or not guilty--therefore there are only two possible outcomes in a rape trial. Therefore, there is always a 50-50 chance that a rapist will go free because of our rigged judicial system.
Posted by: Matt Yglesias, Voxsplainer at March 24, 2015 02:00 PM (UlJ3l)
Right. And everyone who went / goes/ will go to UVa will be scrubbing any mention of fraternities from their resumes and linkedin profiles.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 02:00 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: @votermom at March 24, 2015 02:00 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Charloette's 2 x 4 at March 24, 2015 02:00 PM (6y+F2)
The Democrats pick an issue, call it, then they are all in.
Blindly dashing to protect the issue of the day.
It does not matter how.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 24, 2015 02:00 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: maddogg at March 24, 2015 02:00 PM (xWW96)
The victims are the boy, and the frat, she's been claiming raped her.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 24, 2015 02:00 PM (V+8gv)
Posted by: Roy at March 24, 2015 02:00 PM (VndSC)
passing another law. How about we stop passing laws on top of laws on
top of laws and try making sense for a change?
Posted by: despair at March 24, 2015 01:48 PM (J6suc)
Presumably they mean to make the penalties tougher and grant even more power to the kangaroo courts already operating on campus. It's a really frightening thought that there are people so consumed with the hate threaded through the feminist agenda that they will sacrifice innocent people's lives.
Posted by: Heralder at March 24, 2015 02:00 PM (/Mxso)
But we no longer live in a sane world.
Posted by: DangerGirl, footloose and Partyfree at March 24, 2015 02:00 PM (5/lDN)
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Woah - let's not let Rolling Stone and the University off the hook.
I'm more upset with the University because it is a government institution.
Posted by: SH at March 24, 2015 02:00 PM (gmeXX)
Instead of more laws, how about advocating that kollidge kids be a little more responsible?
And maybe informing those little precious snowflakes that hooking up with some guy you don't know may not be a wise thing?
Oh, and how about telling them to use the system in place to report real, live rapes? And that regret doesn't equal rape?
That would make sense, so forget it. Politicians: is there anything they can't make worse?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at March 24, 2015 02:00 PM (0HooB)
Rape is illegal. You can't make it more illegal by passing another law. How about we stop passing laws on top of laws on top of laws and try making sense for a change?
And if there was no rape, there was no crime - except in the false accusation of rape.
Posted by: despair at March 24, 2015 01:48 PM (J6suc)
By "laws against rape on college campuses" they mean expanding "rape" and/or "sexual assault" to include anything and everything a man does that make a woman feel uncomfortable, sad, conflicted, rejected or regretful; making it even more Kafkaesque for an accused; and eliminating any possibility of repercussions for the accuser, no matter how blatantly false the accusation.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2015 02:00 PM (2Ojst)
There is a massive sinkhole in NJ swallowing cars. Sounds like some god demanding: Feed Me!
Posted by: Bruce J. at March 24, 2015 02:00 PM (iQIUe)
permitted to vote on laws which may result in men being put in jail for
alleged transgressions against women."
Amen!
Posted by: Lizzy at March 24, 2015 02:01 PM (V+8gv)
Posted by: Senator Head-In-The-Ass at March 24, 2015 02:01 PM (16bOT)
Well never stop losing to our arch enemies if we persist in calling them 'weak and 'dumb' with only the bestest of intentions.
Posted by: please dont squeeze the soothie at March 24, 2015 02:01 PM (99lLg)
They're the ones who enabled Kirsten Gillibrand to get traction in congressional-district-level politics in upstate New York, by endorsing her as "pro-Second Amendment-rights" in a district where such rights remain popular.
Anyone with an ounce of sense (cough not NRA cough) would have been easily able to see that Gillibrand's stance in question was entirely duplicitous, opportunistic, and tactical, and that if she had an eventual opportunity to step up to statewide office, she would instantly jettison her support for gun owners.
Which is precisely what she ended up doing. From NRA darling to Chuck Schumer's antigun marionette in the space of about ten milliseconds.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 24, 2015 02:01 PM (noWW6)
there was another guy first, I think his name is Richard Bradley, and i'm 99.99% sure he was a former editor of George.
He came in for the stigma-and-vituperation Shame Circle treatment.
Well, he was right. And yet these idiots are still calling Jackie a "victim," thus imputing that he (and everyone else) is wrong and, per their last series of arguments, therefore "pro-rape."
Posted by: ace at March 24, 2015 02:01 PM (PA7DS)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 24, 2015 02:01 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: SH at March 24, 2015 02:01 PM (gmeXX)
How can we protect college women from fake gang rapes????
I don't know the answer, but I have no doubt it involves MORE LAWS and MORE GOVERNMENT SPENDING!!!
Posted by: Sen. Kirsty Gillibrand at March 24, 2015 02:01 PM (lmdHn)
Posted by: OG CELTIC-AMERICAN at March 24, 2015 02:01 PM (vssei)
Sort of. The sheer volume of UVA/UVA law grads around here led to a number of "woah, wut?" sort of comments - and more than a few folks knew the frat schedules and such.
They very, very, very carefully tip toed around calling the alleged events "false", however, until the rest of the tale came out...
Posted by: anon a mouse at March 24, 2015 02:01 PM (KnbYp)
Once gifted with a Senate seat, she became Chuckie Screwmer's lapdog.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 24, 2015 01:48 PM (7ObY1)"
Chuckie likes 'em chunky.........like I do!
Posted by: Zombie Daniel Inouye at March 24, 2015 02:02 PM (sCHw2)
Posted by: please dont squeeze the soothie at March 24, 2015 02:02 PM (99lLg)
Posted by: maddogg at March 24, 2015 02:02 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 24, 2015 02:02 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: Senator Barbara Mikulski (MD-D) at March 24, 2015 02:02 PM (JO9+V)
Hint, don't pick anyone black, hispanic, transgender, or mohammedan. Those are protected classes.
White blacks and white hispanics are totes ok though.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2015 02:02 PM (7/YOc)
Posted by: Bruce J. at March 24, 2015 02:03 PM (iQIUe)
"Bailiff! Bring out the Official Dice! I have to issue a ruling!"
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at March 24, 2015 02:03 PM (0HooB)
What the actual f*ck?
Are we supposed to believe that a lack of strong laws is the problem here?
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See when you are white and you kill a black. You get life imprisonment along with another 15 years cuz you hated.
Now when the six pack swilling plumber kills his wife he only gets life even though he was screaming I hate your guts bitch. Because the wife isn't a minority or some such thing.
Ah the HATE enhancer. Now we have the dorm/frat enhancer. We are a nation of overly protective f*cking worthless scum sucking weasel overlords
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 02:03 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: steevy at March 24, 2015 02:03 PM (KETbL)
Faked her rape on a night she made sure the frat had a big party -- wouldn't be that hard. Most or many weekends.
Had been nuts enough to actually injure, cut, and bruise herself.
If she'd been either much more careful -- or much more vague -- her story would have been harder to destroy.
Probably easier to go vague. She mostly got screwed by naming a specific frat.
She should've just claimed she wanted back from the frats but the trauma had wiped out her memory of which one. I'm sure one had a party that night.
And she should've said it was a bunch of frat boys but they did it in some bushes off the road so nobody could prove it didn't happen.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 24, 2015 02:03 PM (ZPrif)
The lead character was Jackie, but with competence.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 24, 2015 02:03 PM (V+8gv)
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 24, 2015 02:03 PM (evdj2)
We're not "shining the spotlight" on Jackie Coakley because she "came forward", you stupid cow. We're shining the spotlight on Jackie Coakley because she broadcast a fake rape story to get back at a guy who turned his back on her. What part of "fake rape story" don't you understand?
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 24, 2015 02:03 PM (I8YZX)
Posted by: Bruce J. at March 24, 2015 02:04 PM (iQIUe)
Right, it's not about rape per se, it's about getting more federal power over colleges and a way for Gillibrand to say she "supports womynz issues" and get her feminist cred.
Rape is, has always been, and will always be a very serious crime with serious penalties. We have an entire fucking court system designed to deal with rape and other very serious crimes.
Letting some social just warrior professors adjudicate potential felony complaints is a slap in the face to our criminal justice system, to common law, and to due process.
If a girl is raped and she doesn't go to the police, then there's nothing we can do for her. If she does go to the police, then the accused will get a fair trial.
That's it. There's no opening for idiot womynz studies professors to weigh in.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 02:04 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2015 02:04 PM (7/YOc)
Posted by: Sen. Kirsty Gillibrand at March 24, 2015 02:04 PM (lmdHn)
Posted by: steevy at March 24, 2015 02:04 PM (KETbL)
Posted by: Yeats at March 24, 2015 02:05 PM (87y4e)
Posted by: SH at March 24, 2015 02:05 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: wrg500 at March 24, 2015 02:05 PM (sWgE+)
Exactly. This lays bare the feminist mindset. "We're the good guys, so whatever we do is dandy. Jackie's heart was in the right place; she was just spreading awareness. You're the bad guys, and you're still bad even when you are right."
Posted by: duke at March 24, 2015 02:05 PM (ChY2Q)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2015 02:05 PM (7/YOc)
on college campuses, today warned against people criticizing the woman
at the center of a University of Virginia sexual assault case.
Stupid twat, what is wrong with rape laws being the same everywhere. This rape epidemic on college campuses is made up shit just like this stupid scrunt you are pushing.
And even if it was an automatic death sentence it would do no good. This idiot did not report it to the police. Why you ask? Because it would have been a felony if she had.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 24, 2015 02:05 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: steevy at March 24, 2015 02:05 PM (KETbL)
According to the news last night "Jackie" still works on the UVA campus as a rape counselor.
Fire Her ass...
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at March 24, 2015 02:05 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Senator Barbara Mikulski (MD-D) at March 24, 2015 02:02 PM
Chubby=Fun Size
Whale=Mikulski
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 02:06 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: OG CELTIC-AMERICAN at March 24, 2015 02:06 PM (vssei)
It's like Avatar with James Cameron behind the curtain pulling the strings.
Posted by: Fritz at March 24, 2015 02:06 PM (ty633)
The whole campus has a vagina? That must get pretty gross after a while.
Posted by: joncelli at March 24, 2015 01:56 PM (RD7QR)
University street sweepers are filled with vinegar and water.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 24, 2015 02:06 PM (SpnVI)
Posted by: ace at March 24, 2015 02:06 PM (PA7DS)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2015 02:07 PM (SNs7J)
Uh, yeah - thanks to people like Jackie ho make up gang rapes out of whole cloth.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 24, 2015 02:07 PM (V+8gv)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2015 02:04 PM (7/YOc)
__________________________
But where is the opportunity for graft in that? I will only support such a law if it also funds numerous grants to study the effects of fake gang rapes at fake parties by fake gangs on campus.
Posted by: Sen. Kirsty Gillibrand at March 24, 2015 02:07 PM (lmdHn)
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed!
Posted by: Yeats at March 24, 2015 02:05 PM (87y4e)
Roll Tide.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 02:07 PM (2Aj5D)
If there were more baby boxes none of this would have happened. Someone besides Casey Anthony must surely be at fault for that. Think of how many single mothers whose rights have been violated by not being able to party in bars at will.
Posted by: dartist/sarc at March 24, 2015 02:07 PM (ahBY0)
Lying has to have serious sanctions as a consequence or it will continue.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 24, 2015 02:07 PM (y4+1Q)
Right. I feel like this lie probably spun out of control for her.
But a slightly more competent liar could have landed 5-6 innocent guys in jail for a very long time.
Look how close the stripper in the duke lacrosse case got. And don't forget those those kids' parents had to shell out thousands and thousands of dollars to hire lawyers to refute the bullshit claims that woman made. And the stripper supposedly just randomly picked a handful of guys out of a pictorial line up of the team, some of whom weren't even at the house that night.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 02:07 PM (AkOaV)
The cause of the plane crash was Islamic terrorism.
...
is this based on new information, or just a hunch?
Posted by: ace at March 24, 2015 02:07 PM (PA7DS)
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at March 24, 2015 01:56 PM (DQZLr)
___________________________
What are you trying to say?
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 24, 2015 02:07 PM (HSmrB)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 24, 2015 02:07 PM (oDCMR)
"The nature of the evidence is irrelevant, it's the seriousness of the charge."
-Liberal Assholes
Posted by: Doctor Fish at March 24, 2015 02:07 PM (P330y)
speeches on the Senate floor like an advocate, but she must recuse
herself from casting votes on these issues. She is plainly too corrupted
by a lunatic ideology of hatred to be allowed to do that."
Superb post, Ace. There's another class of victims, Senator. Real female victims. Not only the young men falsely accused of committing heinous crimes, but the mothers and sisters of these young men. I'm a man, and it is very difficult for me to imagine the impact on a son's mother when he's accused of a terrible crime like rape. And then to find out that the accuser is excused by a United States Senator for falsely accusing her son of committing the violent crime.
If the Senate Republicans had any spine (spit!), they'd line up a full panel or two of mothers and sisters of these young men and have them offer testimony on the matter.
Posted by: mrp at March 24, 2015 02:07 PM (JBggj)
Young women in college get raped less than young women not in college.
Which should be obvious. Upper-middle class women get raped less than lower class women who hang around with a more violent class of men.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 24, 2015 02:07 PM (ZPrif)
I'd have to go look it all up (and take a shower immediately afterwards), but IIRC Bradley's comments were more about not believing Erdely (comparing the quality of her work with that of their previous, er, fabulist) than calling BS on the whole affair...
either way, all of those folks were roasted by the illiterati.
Posted by: anon a mouse at March 24, 2015 02:08 PM (KnbYp)
Posted by: Furious George at March 24, 2015 02:08 PM (UlJ3l)
Posted by: ace at March 24, 2015 02:06 PM (PA7DS)
so is rdbrewer, Mr. Hammer and me? Not so much.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 02:08 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: wrg500 at March 24, 2015 02:08 PM (sWgE+)
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 24, 2015 02:08 PM (I8YZX)
Posted by: Monologist in chief at March 24, 2015 02:08 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: BurtTC at March 24, 2015 02:08 PM (Kozbd)
Posted by: Rachel Jeantel at March 24, 2015 02:08 PM (y5bPZ)
Posted by: Costanza Defense
Her earlier story was better. She originally told her friends that she had been forced to perfom oral sex on a bunch of guys. Short of beating, there's not likely to be any physical marks or visible trauma. But perfect for garnering sympathy. And she supposedly refused to seek medical attention to file a complaint.
For whatever reason(s), the story grew more lurid and monstrous.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 24, 2015 02:08 PM (Spluw)
Keep this up Dems and no one will ever elect a woman.
Posted by: bossy barbara at March 24, 2015 02:08 PM (l1zOH)
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!!!!!
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 24, 2015 02:09 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Lena Dunham at March 24, 2015 02:09 PM (V+8gv)
Posted by: SH at March 24, 2015 01:59 PM (gmeXX)
The bed of shattered glass she was allegedly raped on is what tripped my alarm. Shouldn't you be fainting from blood loss?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 24, 2015 02:09 PM (hLRSq)
Well, if you're the Texas Legislature (at least the Senate, not sure if it's passed the House, yet), you allow for concealed carry by college students on university campi.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 24, 2015 02:09 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 24, 2015 02:09 PM (ZPrif)
Ayup. For a number of months now. Either Pixy fixed something, or I got lucky.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 24, 2015 02:10 PM (I8YZX)
Posted by: Hillary's Camp at March 24, 2015 02:10 PM (zllbf)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2015 02:10 PM (SNs7J)
Posted by: Rachel Jeantel at March 24, 2015 02:08 PM (y5bPZ)
They are the sons of nobility. They buy off the victims (See Kennedy family or SC Johnson family)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 02:10 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
And me, Mis Hum...I have to go to the alternate browser site.
Posted by: bossy barbara at March 24, 2015 02:10 PM (l1zOH)
Posted by: OG CELTIC-AMERICAN at March 24, 2015 02:11 PM (vssei)
Coincidentally, Chris Christie's whereabouts are unknown.
Posted by: despair at March 24, 2015 02:11 PM (J6suc)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 24, 2015 02:11 PM (y4+1Q)
-"Male Rape Culture" is banned.
-"Global Warming" is henceforth against the law.
-"Doing Conservative Stuff" is unconstitutional.
-"Doing, (you know), God-Stuff is icky"... therefore punishable.
-You can't "Just Say Stuff", anymore. Because Triggers.
-You can't call me Betty. And Betty, when you call me, you can't call me Al.
Posted by: Senator Head-In-The-Ass at March 24, 2015 02:11 PM (16bOT)
Posted by: Sambo at March 24, 2015 02:11 PM (iAnX7)
The falsely accused are the victims here, you stupid cow.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2015 02:11 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Sambo at March 24, 2015 02:11 PM (iAnX7)
Posted by: Denver at March 24, 2015 02:11 PM (zXdzQ)
Posted by: ace at March 24, 2015 02:12 PM (PA7DS)
Posted by: bossy barbara at March 24, 2015 02:10 PM (l1zOH
A sweet young thing like you, banned? Oh my goodness.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 02:12 PM (2Aj5D)
Well, how do we keep our sons safe from being destroyed by false accusation of rape? How do we ensure activists don't succeed in their quest to destroy fraternities?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 24, 2015 02:12 PM (V+8gv)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 24, 2015 02:12 PM (F1jFR)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2015 02:12 PM (7/YOc)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 24, 2015 02:12 PM (y4+1Q)
dude wtf is with being "pissed' over things that are true.
are we just not allowed to say them? Why?
If you haven't noticed that Cruz comes off like a televangelist, I don't know what to tell you.
Posted by: ace at March 24, 2015 02:12 PM (PA7DS)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2015 02:11 PM (2Ojst)
At least cows are productive, meat, milk, leather. Fat twat Senator from NY, not so much.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 02:13 PM (2Aj5D)
Right.
And no one would leave such obvious forensic evidence.
Basically the entire premise of the article was that rape is so common at UVa that it's not even hidden and it's basically just an accepted part of campus life.
Unless you believed that rape was basically just an initiation in to college and was unremarkable since it was so commonplace, the entire narrative in the rolling stone article made no sense.
Which, as someone who went to college and was in a fraternity, I know is completely ludicrous.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 02:13 PM (AkOaV)
______________________
LOL. That's how seriously UVA takes its honor code, which is supposed to require automatic expulsion for dishonorable behavior.
What could be more dishonorable than falsely accusing your fellow students, whom you knew to be innocent, of a violent, hours-long gang rape atop shattered glass?
Posted by: Tom Jefferson, cringing in shame at March 24, 2015 02:13 PM (lmdHn)
Posted by: Heralder at March 24, 2015 02:13 PM (/Mxso)
Posted by: kathysaysso at March 24, 2015 02:13 PM (fMQoG)
Considering she refused to talk to the police about the rape, how did she come forward??
Posted by: wrg500 at March 24, 2015 02:13 PM (sWgE+)
That didn't take long. Whatever the GOPe does to convert newbies into Dem-lite, it's working.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 24, 2015 02:14 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
If I didn't love you all so much I would have given up on this site.
Posted by: bossy barbara at March 24, 2015 02:14 PM (l1zOH)
One in four college women has been the victim of rape or attempted rape. One in four. I remember standing outside the dining hall in college, looking at a purple poster with this statistic written in bold letters. It didn't seem right. If sexual assault was really so pervasive, it seemed strange that the intricate gossip networks hadn't picked up more than one or two shadowy instances of rape. If I was really standing in the middle of an "epidemic," a "crisis" -- if 25 percent of my women friends were really being raped -- wouldn't I know it?
http://tinyurl.com/q44k9da
Posted by: mallfly at March 24, 2015 02:14 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: OG CELTIC-AMERICAN at March 24, 2015 02:11 PM (vssei)
^This. And thank you for bringing it up. Prison rape is a punchline, statutory rape of boys is "lucky," and forcible rape of boys is kept largely invisible.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2015 02:14 PM (2Ojst)
If you haven't noticed that Cruz comes off like a televangelist, I don't know what to tell you.
He does sound a little"preachy"... I like Him though, not sure how He'll fend against the onslaught of the media...
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at March 24, 2015 02:14 PM (Bn6aD)
That's the part I don't get.
She's single-handedly (well, almost) responsible for yet more hurdles for girls who have really been raped/sexually-assaulted. She should have been canned as soon as it came out that she'd been lying the whole time.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 24, 2015 02:14 PM (kff5f)
The problem I see is making these things a public issue and worse a National Conversation. If there is a rape allegation, it needs to be handled as privately and closely as possible. If the accused is found guilty, they need to suffer the worst punishment imaginable... and even that is not enough. Once we get to the punishment phase, I am all for making it public. Going back to the old drawing and quartering on a stage sounds good to me. The condition is that the victim remains anonymous to everyone but the court and perp and the perpetrator gets due process.
You know... like was outlined in the Constitution for all crimes.
No real victim has any desire to be a celebrity and any politician who trys to garner votes and their own celebrity from victims should be next the perpetrators on the stage being drawn and quartered.
Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2015 02:14 PM (AEQXb)
His old man is a pastor.
Also, Obama sounds like a preacher when he gets in front of (certain) black crowds. Like he gets into the cadence of a preacher. I haven't noticed that as much with Cruz.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 02:14 PM (AkOaV)
"Disparate impact"
Posted by: despair at March 24, 2015 02:15 PM (J6suc)
I call bullshit. They've been extinct for 60+ years.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2015 02:12 PM (7/YOc)
At least since Daniel Patrick Moynihan left office.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2015 02:15 PM (2Ojst)
It still doesn't seem to have dawned on the UVA chancellor and board just how much legal exposure the school has incurred in this matter.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 24, 2015 02:15 PM (noWW6)
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Spot on. Its a cunt pile not a state.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 24, 2015 02:15 PM (oDCMR)
In a sane world where everything wasn't backwards? Yes.
Here? Not so much.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at March 24, 2015 02:15 PM (0HooB)
Yeah, and 1 in 3 kids is obese.
It's all in how you define "rape" and "obese."
Posted by: Lizzy at March 24, 2015 02:15 PM (V+8gv)
Posted by: bossy barbara at March 24, 2015 02:14 PM (l1zOH)
Blushes.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 02:15 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: wrg500 at March 24, 2015 02:13 PM (sWgE+)
Apparently she means coming forward in a national music magazine, which is definitely the right way to bring alleged crimes to light.
Posted by: Heralder at March 24, 2015 02:15 PM (/Mxso)
Posted by: despair at March 24, 2015 02:16 PM (J6suc)
And the criminal whose lies started the whole "hands up-don't shoot" lie was given a cushy job with the city of Ferguson.
I hate this world.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 24, 2015 02:16 PM (7ObY1)
http://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/contact/
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 24, 2015 02:16 PM (DXzRD)
"According to the news last night 'Jackie' still works on the UVA campus as a rape counselor."
So , since she's an expert, She counsels them on how to report a false rape?
Posted by: hello it's Me Donna... again at March 24, 2015 02:16 PM (Bn6aD)
It would've gone worse for her sooner.
You see, the other issue, er - giant screaming red flag - is that in Virginia, the "campus police" are the Commonwealth (that's State) Police, not beholden to the particular Public school (there's a whole tale to be spun about protecting the young women of Virginia and all that, but that's another day).
If Jackie had made any contact with the "campus" PD, it would've triggered a very high level investigation ASAP (something that Erdely obviously didn't know when she wrote the fiction - lending credence to the idea that she "shopped" different campus).
As such, the only "investigation" left was to notify the local (Charlottesville) PD by the Administration that "something" might have happened...
Posted by: anon a mouse at March 24, 2015 02:16 PM (KnbYp)
It's all in how you define "rape" and "obese."
Posted by: Lizzy at March 24, 2015 02:15 PM (V+8gv
2 out of 7 fat broads raped in college?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 02:16 PM (2Aj5D)
Zelig.
Obama will be whomever he has to be at any given moment.
A commonly observed pattern among sociopaths.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 24, 2015 02:16 PM (noWW6)
Why don't our people write more articles about how Hillary comes across? Criticize someone on the other side. Stop tearing our own down before they even get started.
Posted by: Sambo at March 24, 2015 02:17 PM (iAnX7)
The solution is simple: New fake rules to make sure these fake rapes never happen again.
Posted by: please dont squeeze the soothie at March 24, 2015 02:17 PM (99lLg)
Yeah, rape is horrible, but we're not giving up 1000 years of common law and the idea of a public, speedy trial because women are the weaker sex and can't be expected to testify against their accuser without a feinting couch.
I'm sorry. I feel for the women, I really do. Being violated like that is a horrific thing.
But so is locking someone up for 25 years without a fair, open, public trial that allows the public to see all (well, the vast majority) of evidence.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 02:17 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2015 02:11 PM (2Ojst)
At least cows are productive, meat, milk, leather. Fat twat Senator from NY, not so much.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 02:13 PM (2Aj5D)
How about "worthless blob of protoplasm"?
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2015 02:17 PM (2Ojst)
Larry Elder @larryelder 40m40 minutes ago
NC State Bans Alcohol For Some Frats--But Not Black Ones --Paging Eric Holder--isn' this DISCRIMINATION? http://www.elderstatement.com/2015/03/paging-eric-holder-isn-this.html?spref=tw
Virginia Dare @vdare
In which NC State bans alcohol for white fraternities, but not black ones. http://www.vdare.com/posts/nc-state-bans-alcohol-for-white-frats-but-not-black-ones #TFM #tcot
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 24, 2015 02:17 PM (ZPrif)
Once she was handed Hillary's seat, her re-election was a foregone conclusion.
She was anointed by the NY Dem machine.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 24, 2015 02:17 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 02:17 PM (AkOaV)
Matthew Shepard was murder by a pair of gay meth-head in a drug-deal gone bad.
While his murder was tragic, it had NOTHING to do with homophobia, firstly because it was about drugs, and secondly because the killers (or at least one of them) had been his sexual partners, and themselves identified as gay.
And yet, despite this, the Left trumpeted his death as a gay-bashing to promote a political cause - -even though they knew full well it wasn't a gay-bashing.
But back then -- 1998 -- they could still get away with it because the Internet Fact-Checking Mobs had not yet evolved into the fast-response teams they are today.
Based on the success of this fake politicized incident, they thought they could pull it off again, this time with a fake rape.
But 2014 is no 1998. The world has changed. Promulgating a lie unchallenged is no longer possible.
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2015 02:17 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey at March 24, 2015 02:17 PM (y5bPZ)
Posted by: Heralder at March 24, 2015 02:15 PM (/Mxs
So the next time my car is stolen/or broken into I should contact Road & Driver?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 02:18 PM (2Aj5D)
any politician who trys to garner votes and their own celebrity from
victims should be next the perpetrators on the stage being drawn and
quartered.
Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2015 02:14 PM (AEQXb)
Bingo. I always immediately call bullshit on people that effuse about these horrible abuses they suffered to pretty much anyone they meet right away. The badge of honor victims receive on the left is the reason for this sociopathic behavior.
Posted by: Heralder at March 24, 2015 02:18 PM (/Mxso)
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 24, 2015 02:18 PM (evdj2)
are we just not allowed to say them? Why?
If you haven't noticed that Cruz comes off like a televangelist, I don't know what to tell you.
Posted by: ace at March 24, 2015 02:12 PM (PA7DS)
he comes across like someone who knows who he is, what he believes and not afraid to say it and not afraid to take on the establishment GOP ... i guess that is terrifying......
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 24, 2015 02:18 PM (u8GsB)
... as she stood in the spotlight, talking to the national press in front of giant posters of the "victim".
Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2015 02:18 PM (AEQXb)
Posted by: MacGruber at March 24, 2015 02:18 PM (sWgE+)
Heh. And 1 in 5 of them are actually going hungry.
Fun with non-nonsensical statistics!!
Posted by: Lizzy at March 24, 2015 02:18 PM (V+8gv)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2015 02:18 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: steevy at March 24, 2015 02:18 PM (KETbL)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 24, 2015 02:19 PM (7ObY1)
Gah. Better this and those bints in the UK who found clapping triggering (yes, really), I've had it with the twats who claim they are women.
Bints in UK: https://twitter.com/nuswomcam/status/580390340802297856
No, you are pathetic little girls, the lot of you.
After all, it's not like some crazy woman lies and a guy gets arrested for rape and spends seven months in jail for violating probation for being arrested for being raped and then it all turns out to be a lie or anything. http://bit.ly/1Ox83Ob
That never happens.
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira at March 24, 2015 02:19 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2015 02:19 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 24, 2015 02:19 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: NYC Parent at March 24, 2015 02:19 PM (oYXGc)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2015 02:17 PM (2Ojst)
Much better.
I'm from Wisconsin America's Dairyland (So says the license plate) that was quite an insult
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 02:20 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 24, 2015 02:20 PM (8ZskC)
I'm so glad that Gillibrand will no longer allow fellow Dems and the
media (BIRM) to attack women who claim to have been sexually harassed or
assaulted. Thank you Seanator!
Posted by: Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey at March 24, 2015 02:17 PM (y5bPZ)
Thread winner by ELEVENTY!!!!1!!!!!!!1111!!!!!
Posted by: kathysaysso at March 24, 2015 02:20 PM (fMQoG)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2015 02:17 PM (2Ojst)
Dude. The fuh?
Posted by: Slimer at March 24, 2015 02:20 PM (kff5f)
During its career, the plane had accumulated 58,300 flight hours during 46,700 flights.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 24, 2015 02:20 PM (VpkjW)
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 24, 2015 02:20 PM (kfcYC)
I thought that we already had laws on the books against rape? Whether it occurs on a college campus, back alley, high end condo, or in a "rape free" zone, do we not???
Women who fraudulently file rape charges need to be prosecuted to the full extent that the law allows.
F/U Gillibrand.
Posted by: Cheri at March 24, 2015 02:20 PM (G+Wff)
Campus police should not exist.
I know it's common in VA, but I always thought it was wrong that administrations of colleges have their own police forces (with arrest powers) who work for them.
In most states, campus cops are essentially mall cops. As in, they have to call the real police if a crime is committed.
Which is fine, since 90% of the "crimes" on campus are open container or minor in possession of alcohol bullshitty crimes that really serve as a way for the school to raise money through plea deals and not as a way to deter crime.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 02:20 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: zombie ayatollah khomeini at March 24, 2015 02:20 PM (sWgE+)
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They and the girls with coffee tables on their backs are asking for it.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 24, 2015 02:21 PM (oDCMR)
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If they publish the name of accused, they should publish the name of the accuser.
The accused name is never kept secret.
Rape should be treated like any other violent crime. It's also shame-inducing and traumatic to get beaten and robbed or to have somebody try to murder you.
Keep rape accusers names secret while publicizing the names of the accused creates too much of an incentive for abuse.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 24, 2015 02:21 PM (ZPrif)
No, she just acts that way naturally.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 24, 2015 02:19 PM (7ObY1
Diet Pepsi, all over the desk.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 02:21 PM (2Aj5D)
Murder by itself is an act of love.
Posted by: jebbush at March 24, 2015 02:21 PM (J6suc)
No she's the one who claimed she was sexually harassed by a fellow Senator.
Oh, which one? A dead Democrat who couldn't defend himself.
Cheap victimhood (like cheap grace, I suppose), not unlike Lena Dunham's "me, too, I was raped!" story.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 24, 2015 02:21 PM (V+8gv)
Or, rather, the fatter and uglier you are, the more likely you will crave attention because you are jealous of the popular girls; and the more likely you will join feminist social justice gangs to get revenge on the Mean Cheerleaders in high school; and thus the increased likelihood that you will CLAIM rape.
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2015 02:21 PM (K4YiS)
Bullshit.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 24, 2015 02:21 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: mallfly at March 24, 2015 02:21 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at March 24, 2015 02:22 PM (8ZskC)
I doubt it's Godforsaken. Voting for leftists doesn't meant that a state is Godforsaken of every state would have huge swatches of people that are Godforsaken. And lest we forget, a big part of NY is actually pretty conservative. Not all of NY is like NYC and even NY has conservatives. Recently a county GOP group in the Finger Lakes region (near Ithaca, no less) voted to say they do not support the leadership of McConnell and Boehner and through that they should be removed from their positions. Irongranpa would probably tell you that not everyone from the Adrondacks is leftist either.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 24, 2015 02:22 PM (DXzRD)
I thought that we already had laws on the books against rape? Whether it occurs on a college campus, back alley, high end condo, or in a "rape free" zone, do we not???
Women who fraudulently file rape charges need to be prosecuted to the full extent that the law allows.
F/U Gillibrand.
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Well, if Gillibrand wants equality of punishment for rapists and false reporters of rape then I'm all for it. That is not the current situation though.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 24, 2015 02:22 PM (oDCMR)
Ace, I've been following the plane crash all day on a Krautish live blog.
Plane reached its scheduled altitude and retained it for one minute. Descended 32,000 feet in 8 minutes. Flew into a cliff at just under 400 kts.
Witnesses saw the plane intact before impact.
No distress call, as you noted.
The wreckage is nearly unrecognizable.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2015 02:22 PM (JtwS4)
-Posted by: toby928(C) at March 24, 2015 02:18 PM (evdj2)
Snark already posted. You're thinking of Gabrielle Giffords, ARZ.
Posted by: Senator Head-In-The-Ass at March 24, 2015 02:22 PM (16bOT)
Yes you would. According to those stats, every fourth female friend would have a rape story to tell. There would be police everywhere on campus and chaperones at each and every function even remotely related to the school. Think if that stat were robberies instead of rapes.
This sort of questioning of suspicious information is what we once recognized as "Common Sense." Wouldst that it were more common.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at March 24, 2015 02:22 PM (0HooB)
Canquelles was just now busily praising certain Southern California "antigang programs" and suggesting them as a model for the rest of the country.
Here's the deal. Those "antigang programs" consist for the most part of taking admitted, proven, convicted members of violent street gangs and putting them on the public payroll to do "outreach" and other such make-believe crap.
Not only does this powerfully incentivize becoming a gang member in the first place -- it's a first step on the career ladder! -- but it also has experienced the entirely and sadly predictable problem of such hires playing both sides of the game simultaneously.
In one scheme cooked up by onetime local official (and now Democratic congresswoman), Janice Hahn, a gang thug with a long list of priors was drawing a big public paycheck to go round and intone "Guns are bad mmmmmkay" platitudes, while he was at the very same time masterminding an interstate gunrunning op, buying weapons for felons who couldn't legally purchase them themselves.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 24, 2015 02:23 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 24, 2015 02:23 PM (DXzRD)
That never happens.
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira at March 24, 2015 02:19 PM (mf5HN)
Check out the case of Joshua Strange. He was kicked out of Auburn on bullshit rape and assault charges.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2015 02:23 PM (2Ojst)
This where we are now. Good God.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 24, 2015 02:23 PM (JVKFK)
Posted by: Heralder
So the next time my car is stolen/or broken into I should contact Road & Driver?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
Stagecoach Weekly.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2015 02:24 PM (7/YOc)
Mizzzz Gillibrand has two sons. So if they, when older, are accused falsely of rape their mother will stand with the not-a-victim-liar ?
Please tell us Senator how you would react ifyour sons were falsely accused of a heinous crime.
Posted by: Cheri at March 24, 2015 02:24 PM (G+Wff)
I mean what in the fuck allows this to go on. This fucking bitch should be serving YEARS behind bars for this shit. Make a fucking example out of her.
Posted by: prescient11 at March 24, 2015 02:24 PM (q5APL)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 24, 2015 02:22 PM (oDCMR)
I'll guaran-gorram-tee that's not even in the same universe as what she wants.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2015 02:25 PM (2Ojst)
I seem to remember some vague rules about how one should behave, but I just can't place them....
/s
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 24, 2015 02:25 PM (+YMhA)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 24, 2015 02:25 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: torquewrench at March 24, 2015 02:23 PM (noWW6)
From what I read, quite popular in Democratic circles in CA
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 02:25 PM (2Aj5D)
Is that true? I hope it isn't. I thought that he was in jail, but I could be wrong.
...forgot his
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 24, 2015 02:25 PM (16bOT)
are we just not allowed to say them? Why?
If you haven't noticed that Cruz comes off like a televangelist, I don't know what to tell you.
Posted by: ace at March 24, 2015 02:12 PM (PA7DS)
Opnions are facts? Is that a fact?
Ace comes across as an effete testicle licker. I'm sorry if you dislike me rappin' 'bout fact wit' y'all.
Posted by: My Junk at March 24, 2015 02:26 PM (Q819Q)
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 24, 2015 02:26 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: prescient11 at March 24, 2015 02:24 PM (q5APL)
Thing is, Jackie never went to the police. No false charges were filed because there WEREN'T ANY charges filed, period.
What Jackie did is despicable, but the real villains are Rolling Stone and the MFM in general.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 24, 2015 02:26 PM (7ObY1)
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GWI9525
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 24, 2015 02:26 PM (VpkjW)
Gillibrand ran a moderate campaign, claiming support for the 2nd, against a party hack who was totally outclassed.
She then swung hard left as per Schumer's instruction and has been a loyal Dem since.
A typical leftie.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 24, 2015 02:26 PM (jeCnD)
Posted by: prescient11 at March 24, 2015 02:24 PM (q5APL)
They want to be able to lynch men at the mere accusation of rapey male gaze.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2015 02:26 PM (2Ojst)
Only real punishment would be to name and shame her.
But the media won't cause "victim-shaming".
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 24, 2015 02:26 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 24, 2015 02:26 PM (zOTsN)
Why not? We're training the Iraqi troops that Iran is leading into battle.
Posted by: zombie ayatollah khomeini at March 24, 2015 02:26 PM (sWgE+)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2015 02:26 PM (SNs7J)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 24, 2015 02:27 PM (DXzRD)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2015 02:10 PM (SNs7J)
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And FNC reported a few minutes ago that the fraternity is consulting with lawyers now on how to go about sueing UVA and Rolling Stone.
Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2015 02:27 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 02:18 PM (2Aj5D)
Well, given that the alleged rape was reported in Rolling Stone, you should probably contact Playboy if your car is stolen.
Posted by: Heralder at March 24, 2015 02:27 PM (/Mxso)
Posted by: anon a mouse at March 24, 2015 02:27 PM (KnbYp)
Posted by: Flick for President! (T) at March 24, 2015 02:27 PM (16bOT)
Posted by: Jane at March 24, 2015 02:27 PM (rDidp)
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 24, 2015 02:27 PM (+YMhA)
Or, rather, the fatter and uglier you are, the more likely you will crave attention because you are jealous of the popular girls; and the more likely you will join feminist social justice gangs to get revenge on the Mean Cheerleaders in high school; and thus the increased likelihood that you will CLAIM rape.
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2015 02:21 PM (K4YiS)
Congratulations. That is both stupid and insulting. Excellent work.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 24, 2015 02:27 PM (gW5Vg)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 24, 2015 02:27 PM (zOTsN)
Plane reached its scheduled altitude and retained it for one minute. Descended 32,000 feet in 8 minutes. Flew into a cliff at just under 400 kts.
Witnesses saw the plane intact before impact.
No distress call, as you noted.
The wreckage is nearly unrecognizable.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2015 02:22 PM (JtwS4)
Honest question since I know nothing about this, if there was a massive decompression that caused everyone to pass out, would that lead to this?
I recall vaguely that it only takes a minute or so to pass out in those circumstances but, as I said, I have no clue.
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira at March 24, 2015 02:28 PM (mf5HN)
Yes, yes it is.
Posted by: zombie ayatollah khomeini at March 24, 2015 02:28 PM (sWgE+)
Posted by: chad at March 24, 2015 02:28 PM (K4lfK)
Afghan Cleric Instigated Woman's Brutal Lynching By Spreading Koran Burning Rumor To Stop Her From Exposing His Money Scam
Posted by: mallfly at March 24, 2015 02:28 PM (qSIlh)
Most fat chicks are taken by the little brown ring versus skinny girls who are taken by the vag. It's the sweat hog factor.
Posted by: Abe Vigoda at March 24, 2015 02:28 PM (P330y)
And FNC reported a few minutes ago that the fraternity is consulting with lawyers now on how to go about sueing UVA and Rolling Stone.
Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2015 02:27 PM (/HX7u
Hope the field house and football field is named after them as part of the multi-million dollar verdict against UVA
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 02:28 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 24, 2015 02:28 PM (DXzRD)
Posted by: Jane at March 24, 2015 02:29 PM (rDidp)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 24, 2015 02:29 PM (VpkjW)
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Posted by: anon a mouse at March 24, 2015 02:27 PM (KnbYp)
I know people from Wyoming who were there for that whole debacle. As most of us already know, or should know, pretty much everything that came through the MSM and that "Laramie Project" propaganda was bullshit from start to finish.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2015 02:29 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: mallfly at March 24, 2015 02:29 PM (qSIlh)
A typical
-Posted by: irongrampa at March 24, 2015 02:26 PM (jeCnD)
Fix'd
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 24, 2015 02:29 PM (16bOT)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 24, 2015 02:29 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 24, 2015 02:30 PM (16bOT)
Jackie's lie worked at well for her at UVA. It got her a good position on the Campus Rape Club and she had some minor celebrity in the local Campus Rape Circuit talking about her Truth and her Victimization Story.
Emily Renda told Jackie's story before Congress. It was part of Obama's push to use Title IX to lower burden of proof standards for sexual assaults on campus.
She wasn't some unstable crazy chick.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 24, 2015 02:30 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk
I won't be satisfied until my comments are stupid, insulting and infuriating!
I have standards to keep.
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2015 02:31 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: chad at March 24, 2015 02:28 PM (K4lfK)
If they are youtube, youtube has joined the autorun Axis of Evil.
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira at March 24, 2015 02:31 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 24, 2015 02:30 PM (16bOT)
You? Speechless? Hard to imagine ;-)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 02:31 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 24, 2015 02:31 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 24, 2015 02:31 PM (DXzRD)
Posted by: anon a mouse at March 24, 2015 02:32 PM (KnbYp)
Eh. How many people just vote straight party line, possibly making an exception for the top of the ticket? I've done it. A lot.
Posted by: jebbush at March 24, 2015 02:32 PM (J6suc)
That they aren't speaks volumes.
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 24, 2015 02:32 PM (eytER)
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 24, 2015 02:32 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2015 02:32 PM (SNs7J)
Rape Shield laws are evil.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 24, 2015 02:33 PM (ZPrif)
IMO, rape is worse than murder, because you live through it, and the aftermath is nearly as horrid as the event itself.
But these women, they seem to trivialize it to the point of nonsense. It defies explanation and makes me wonder about their level of sanity.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 24, 2015 02:33 PM (+YMhA)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 24, 2015 02:33 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
Horrible -- a Lufthansa plane from Barcelona to Dusseldorf crashed in France. No survivors likely. No cause yet known.
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2015 02:33 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 24, 2015 02:33 PM (VpkjW)
http://www.addictivetips.com/web/stop-auto-play-in-chrome-firefox-opera-safari-and-ie/
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 24, 2015 02:33 PM (evdj2)
That they aren't speaks volumes.
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 24, 2015 02:32 PM (eytER)
Consider their readership. They assume, probably correctly, that most of them won't even hear about it being a hoax. LIV's all of them.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 24, 2015 02:34 PM (+YMhA)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 24, 2015 02:34 PM (u8GsB)
name and doing public investigative stories to not only determine how
they were duped, but to repair their reputations
Also speaks volumes that while Jackie's rape story has been BIG NEWS, UVA student Hannah Graham's rape and murder was quickly forgotten.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 24, 2015 02:34 PM (V+8gv)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 24, 2015 02:35 PM (zOTsN)
and that is why there should be some serious consequences to Jackie, UVA, Rolling Stone.
When my kids were young they heard repeatedly, every action has a reaction, bad actions, bad reactions. Guess their old man was wrong.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 02:35 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 24, 2015 02:35 PM (oDCMR)
Tell me when you see one of the MSM doing a maculpa about "hands up don't shoot"
Posted by: wrg500 at March 24, 2015 02:35 PM (sWgE+)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2015 02:35 PM (SNs7J)
Posted by: Fritz at March 24, 2015 02:35 PM (ty633)
Posted by: anon a mouse at March 24, 2015 02:36 PM (KnbYp)
What plane crashed?
A Germanwings Airbus crashed en route from Barelona to Dusseldorf. 150 passengers and crew dead.
Among the dead were 16 students and 2 teachers from one school. Also a noted opera singer. Not that all life isn't precious, those are the only details.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2015 02:36 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 24, 2015 02:30 PM (ZPrif)
Just deeply morally flawed. The kind that may be incurable.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 24, 2015 02:36 PM (+YMhA)
Or, rather, from the low-cost subsidiary of Lufthansa.
Not mainline Lufthansa.
Whether or not the crash may have any connection to lo-co crewing, operating, or maintenance practices is yet to be determined.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 24, 2015 02:37 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Evelyn, a Modified Dog at March 24, 2015 02:37 PM (sH832)
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Yep. Hannah grew up in the neighborhood next to mine. She and her murderer have been swept into the memory hole so that Prog stories can be fellated endlessly.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 24, 2015 02:37 PM (oDCMR)
http://www.addictivetips.com/web/stop-auto-play-in-chrome-firefox-opera-safari-and-ie/
Doesn't work for Opera Lite android friendly phone surfer.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2015 02:37 PM (7/YOc)
Separate schools.
Posted by: despair at March 24, 2015 02:16 PM (J6suc)
Sweetbriar College is closing at the end of this semester. Soon to be only about 44 women's colleges left in the US
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 24, 2015 02:38 PM (JO9+V)
Can't inform a jury of previous fraudulent (and therefore illegal) behavior?
#WASTF
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at March 24, 2015 02:38 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand at March 24, 2015 02:38 PM (IN7k+)
Truth hurts.
Girls who are (1) both fat and ugly, and (2) desperately trying to get laid, are trouble. Nobody takes sexual rejection well. It leads to vicious resentment. Guys make up Canadian girlfriends, and girls make up dreamy upper class men like Haven Moynihan. And then the rape.
Posted by: wooga at March 24, 2015 02:39 PM (nllJH)
Posted by: tu3031 at March 24, 2015 02:40 PM (i0wGQ)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 24, 2015 02:40 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 24, 2015 02:40 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: John McCain, Card Carring Maverick at March 24, 2015 02:40 PM (WGm5T)
I'll buy that. And title IX Needs a good work-over-type fisking. There needs to be a numbers-driven article on the popularization of womens' sports.
WNBA *cough* ...fuck that shit in particular.
The claim was that without stealing funds from things that people actually watch and handing them to things that nobody watches, you could increase the Viewership and Revenue of things that nobody watches ...still.
I suppose if I asked you all to subsidize my dick, It'd grow to unsurpassed proportions. Other dicks would join the measure and we'd be well on our way to Making All The Women Happy.
Give now. Lil' Peter depends on your generosity.
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 24, 2015 02:40 PM (16bOT)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 24, 2015 02:40 PM (DXzRD)
A Charles W. Cooke editorial blaming this all on Ted Cruz. That would be awesome.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at March 24, 2015 02:41 PM (YYJjz)
IMO.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 24, 2015 02:41 PM (gW5Vg)
Except Jackie Pants-on-Fire Coakley isn't fat and ugly. Neither is the mattress chick. They are, however, evil, crazy, or both.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2015 02:41 PM (2Ojst)
Given that he was embarking on a crusade - a quest - that style wasn't out of place.
Posted by: jebbush at March 24, 2015 02:41 PM (J6suc)
My pet theory on all of these mysterious plane crashes?
Someone has found a way to hack in to and over ride the auto pilot on planes and has been playing around with it.
/takes off tin foil hat
Or it's just coincidence.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 02:41 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 24, 2015 02:41 PM (Spluw)
It's a horrible crime but it really can't be compared to a murder.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 24, 2015 02:41 PM (3K1By)
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 24, 2015 02:41 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 24, 2015 02:42 PM (DXzRD)
Posted by: Emperor Clusterfuck I at March 24, 2015 02:42 PM (i0wGQ)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 24, 2015 02:43 PM (zOTsN)
It'd grow to unsurpassed proportions. Other dicks would join the
measure and we'd be well on our way to Making All The Women Happy.
Give now. Lil' Peter depends on your generosity.
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 24, 2015 02:40 PM (16bOT)
I'm in, Cut. Jib. Newsletter?
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 24, 2015 02:43 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: anon a mouse at March 24, 2015 02:43 PM (KnbYp)
Posted by: Cheri at March 24, 2015 02:43 PM (G+Wff)
-Posted by: toby928(C) at March 24, 2015 02:41 PM (evdj2)
Indeed.
*shows pictures of puppies for no good reason*
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 24, 2015 02:43 PM (16bOT)
Which is why my erection is so confusing.
Posted by: wooga at March 24, 2015 02:43 PM (nllJH)
Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2015 02:33 PM (K4YiS)
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Germanwings Airline. Not Lufthansa.
Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2015 02:43 PM (/HX7u)
Truth hurts.
Girls who are (1) both fat and ugly, and (2) desperately trying to get laid, are trouble. Nobody takes sexual rejection well. It leads to vicious resentment. Guys make up Canadian girlfriends, and girls make up dreamy upper class men like Haven Moynihan. And then the rape.
Posted by: wooga at March 24, 2015 02:39 PM (nllJH)
So. Fat ugly sexually frustrated chicks are lying bitches.
Okay. Thanks for laying that truth on me, man.
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira at March 24, 2015 02:43 PM (mf5HN)
I've spent a decent about of time at sweet briar.
Gorgeous campus and a really cool school.
I was sorry to hear it's going out of business, but not surprised.
I wonder what will happen to their massive campus with all of the horse riding trails and everything?
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 02:44 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo
Wow, that's sarcasm? I hope?
Zombies as a point of law......
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 24, 2015 02:44 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 24, 2015 02:45 PM (2Aj5D)
From what I've read, they're a wholly owned subsidiary of Lufthansa.
Also, what a stupid name for an airline. German wings. Sounds just as stupid in German as it does in English.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 02:45 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 02:44 PM (AkOaV)
One of Hillary's fun camps.
Posted by: wrg500 at March 24, 2015 02:45 PM (sWgE+)
Okay. Thanks for laying that truth on me, man.
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira at March 24, 2015 02:43 PM (mf5HN)
Lying bitches who lie about rape. Let's be clear here.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 24, 2015 02:45 PM (gW5Vg)
My pet theory on all of these mysterious plane crashes?
Someone has found a way to hack in to and over ride the auto pilot on planes and has been playing around with it.
/takes off tin foil hat
That's occurred to me as well, but you'd expect IS to take credit if they were involved.
In this case one of the black boxes has been found already, so we'll know something.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2015 02:45 PM (JtwS4)
So. Fat ugly sexually frustrated chicks are lying bitches.
Okay. Thanks for laying that truth on me, man.
Word.
Posted by: Lena Dunham at March 24, 2015 02:45 PM (eytER)
http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/a320.htm
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 24, 2015 02:45 PM (VpkjW)
HUD will take it for Section 8 housing.
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 24, 2015 02:45 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: wooga at March 24, 2015 02:43 PM (nllJH
What is that?
Posted by: Old Married Guy at March 24, 2015 02:46 PM (2Aj5D)
Here's what I think:
Some planes fall out of the sky -- usually mechanical error. Some planes fly directly into the ground -- usually due to pilot error.
Pilot error...or pilot negligence...or a jihadi pilot.
Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 24, 2015 02:46 PM (99lLg)
Posted by: Costanza Defense
Hey, watch it!
Posted by: Bill Clinton at March 24, 2015 02:46 PM (l3vZN)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 24, 2015 02:46 PM (VpkjW)
Okay. Thanks for laying that truth on me, man.
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira at March 24, 2015 02:43 PM (mf5HN)
You know, it's almost worth conquering my hatred of groups to go to the NoVaMoMe and bask in the splendor that is Her Imperial Malevolence.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 24, 2015 02:46 PM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 24, 2015 02:46 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Emperor Palpatine at March 24, 2015 02:47 PM (NF2Bf)
Word!
Posted by: Peoples Express and Virgin Air at March 24, 2015 02:47 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: toby928(C)
go on.........
Posted by: Every Moron (and some of the Moronettes) at March 24, 2015 02:47 PM (Spluw)
A listing of the 13 A320 crashes including AirAsia and GermanWings.
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I tried to avoid Airbus whenever possible
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2015 02:47 PM (SNs7J)
Posted by: wrg500 at March 24, 2015 02:47 PM (sWgE+)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 24, 2015 02:46 PM (zF6Iw)
I'd tell you to wear shades, but the splendor doesn't quite reach that high.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 24, 2015 02:47 PM (gW5Vg)
IS? Nah, I doubt it.
State actor would be my guess.
It would have to involve people with a pretty good idea of what they're looking at once they got in to the computer.
I don't think getting in would be the difficult part, but figuring out how to override the safety protocols and understanding how planes work would require a lot of knowledge.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 02:48 PM (AkOaV)
It'll become some resort for pols after the Interior Department takes it.
Or the EPA takes it, then nobody will ever get to use it ever.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at March 24, 2015 02:48 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 02:44 PM (AkOaV)
IIRC, there's actually a very interesting question about what happens to the endowment.
Though I can't remember if that's Sweet Briar or another college going under.
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira at March 24, 2015 02:48 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 24, 2015 02:48 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 24, 2015 02:48 PM (VpkjW)
-Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 24, 2015 02:47 PM (gW5Vg)
From what I've read, you can get a belly-tan, however.
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 24, 2015 02:49 PM (16bOT)
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 24, 2015 02:49 PM (evdj2)
Ran it through a couple of English-German translators expecting it to come out "deutsche....." something or other.
Nope. Just "Germanwings."
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 24, 2015 02:49 PM (LA7Cm)
Uh oh, me too...
I knew she was cheating on me!!!
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 02:49 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 24, 2015 02:49 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: wrg500 at March 24, 2015 02:49 PM (sWgE+)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 24, 2015 02:50 PM (VpkjW)
Separate the words, chief.
It's Deutsche Flügeln
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 02:50 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 24, 2015 02:46 PM (evdj2)
Uh oh, me too...
I knew she was cheating on me!!!
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 02:49 PM (AkOaV)
Is this where we find out she was cheating on you with toby928? Let me get some popcorn.
Posted by: Heralder at March 24, 2015 02:50 PM (/Mxso)
Posted by: Herr McCartney at March 24, 2015 02:50 PM (eytER)
Posted by: jmm at March 24, 2015 02:51 PM (Ku012)
Posted by: Heralder
and then..........
Posted by: Every Moron (and some of the Moronettes) at March 24, 2015 02:51 PM (Spluw)
I know some pilots, though we're talking small passenger planes, not jumbo jets, and it was my understanding the plane go boom is sky is mechanical (or terrorism) while plane go boom into ground is pilot (or terrorism).
I'm not trying to make light, it's a terrible, awful thing and my prayers are out to the families of the lost.
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira at March 24, 2015 02:51 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 24, 2015 02:51 PM (gW5Vg)
In Kirsten Gillibrand's defense, she attended one of those private girls boarding schools as a teen.
So she probably has some really hot chix stories she'll share with us, if we just get her drunk enough.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 24, 2015 02:51 PM (kdS6q)
I'm agree... mostly.
I think BOTH accuser and accused should be protected until AFTER and investigation and charges have been filed, at the very least. In better times, no one was called a rapist until they were charged AND convicted.
The problem I see is politicians/ media/ activists seizing on an accusation to further their own ends without any true consideration to the accuser or accused. This forces things into the court of public opinion before any facts are known about anything.
Its the same down the list of "issues": global warming, healthcare, you name it.
None of what anyone is doing has anything to do with identifying or correcting a problem. It is about using scaremongering, rumor, unfounded/ unverified accusations, and similar BS to chase celebrity, money, and political gain.
Posted by: Damiano at March 24, 2015 02:51 PM (AEQXb)
if there was a massive decompression that caused everyone to pass out, would that lead to this?
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira
Massive decompression would indicate a structural failure. This is not normally the sequence, but a slow decompression brought about by a leaky door seal or small skin damage.
With a leak, the red Master Warning Light in the cockpit would illuminate with an aural warning, and the specific CabinAlt on the master panel would illuminate in yellow. The response is pilots don immediate flow oxygen masks, cycle master warning light to silence visual and aural warning, check cabin pressure gauge, and if cabin pressure low, deploy cabin oxygen masks and begin descent to safe altitude of 10,000 feet
With a massive failure such as windshield blowout or emergency door failure, the crew has a few seconds to don oxygen. The differential is easy because there is snow in the cabin from the mixing of outside air with warmer internal air, but the probability of success is problematic.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at March 24, 2015 02:52 PM (P330y)
Sounds about right.
Posted by: John F. Kennedy Jr. at March 24, 2015 02:52 PM (eytER)
Wasn't German Wings a crappy N64 game?
Posted by: Methos at March 24, 2015 02:52 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 24, 2015 02:52 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 24, 2015 02:52 PM (VpkjW)
Posted by: Count de Monet
Only 3 men's colleges left.
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 24, 2015 02:52 PM (l3vZN)
Or do like me and just blow cigar smoke in the general direction...
Posted by: anon a mouse at March 24, 2015 02:52 PM (KnbYp)
Whatever she says about me, I didn't do it.
Or if I did, I was really drunk at the time.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 24, 2015 02:52 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2015 02:52 PM (JtwS4)
My pet theory on all of these mysterious plane crashes? Someone has found a way to hack in to and over ride the auto pilot on planes and has been playing around with it. /takes off tin foil hat Or it's just coincidence.
/picks up a tin foil hat laying on the ground and puts it on
or the computers want us all dead
Posted by: kj at March 24, 2015 02:52 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: John F. Kennedy Jr. at March 24, 2015 02:52 PM (eytER)
F*cking amateur
Posted by: John Denver at March 24, 2015 02:53 PM (2Aj5D)
I know there's at least 3 or 4 of us here.
I've been trying to get a Flaccid State MoMee during Bike Week or Biketoberfest for a while now. I know there are some bikers here.
I'm not, BTW. If I had one of those "jobs" thingys I hear so much about, I'd have a Fat Boy sitting outside Casa Backwardio. But I don't, so I don't.
I have, however, played at virtually every popular biker bar around these parts for many years. I've seen things you humans wouldn't believe...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at March 24, 2015 02:53 PM (0HooB)
I doubt there's much money left.
When randolph macons women college went co-ed, there were all kinds of issues with the endowment.
Some of the money had been given under the express condition that it remain a womens college.
I remember there was an issue at sweet briar too, because the original land grant said it was a college for "young white women" or something, and people were worried that letting non-white women in would cause a problem.
It got resolved though.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 02:53 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 24, 2015 02:45 PM (VpkjW)
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What's funny about that website is that at the end of the list of crashes there's a link to "Get Therapy for Fear of Flying".
Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2015 02:53 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Doctor Fish at March 24, 2015 02:52 PM (P330y)
Okay so cockpit decompresses because whatever and then the pilots pass out because no air and then the plane goes down.
Here's another really really really stupid question. Would the autopilot kick on as soon as they hit cruising altitude? Because it sounds like they took off, hit cruising altitude, flew a minute and then sharp descent into the mountain.
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira at March 24, 2015 02:54 PM (mf5HN)
Who can put a smoke ring around the munchkin.
Posted by: wrg500 at March 24, 2015 02:55 PM (sWgE+)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2015 02:55 PM (7/YOc)
This is all wrong.
This is all just wrong.
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 24, 2015 02:55 PM (16bOT)
And neu thread, more stupid people being proud of being Upper Class Twits. So guess will go back to writing.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 24, 2015 02:56 PM (VpkjW)
I love this place, always learning something new.
Posted by: Heralder at March 24, 2015 02:56 PM (/Mxso)
What they need to do is find a scapegoat, someone they can convict for
the made-up rape. Then they can feel better about themselves.
Hint, don't pick anyone black, hispanic, transgender, or mohammedan. Those are protected classes.
White blacks and white hispanics are totes ok though.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2015 02:02 PM (7/YOc)"
That Tom Robinson is a white black and he raped Mayella Ewell.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at March 24, 2015 02:57 PM (KDbAT)
Catastrophic failure disables most systems, including the autopilot function.
...my guess.
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 24, 2015 02:57 PM (16bOT)
Really only 1 full time 4 year liberal arts all mens school left.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 24, 2015 02:57 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 24, 2015 02:58 PM (16bOT)
If my reading of the track log is right and the pilots were still alive and fighting to save the plane, if the Airbus FCS had not flipped into a more permissive mode that surrenders controls to the pilots, it could still override the pilots and crash the plane.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 24, 2015 02:58 PM (VpkjW)
Posted by: Bob Belcher at March 24, 2015 03:00 PM (dkHoZ)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2015 03:02 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Bob Belcher at March 24, 2015 03:04 PM (dkHoZ)
Would the autopilot kick on as soon as they hit cruising altitude?
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira
Unsure of Airbus equipment, but most 'real' airplanes have a feature to climb and level at programed altitude.
I mentioned earlier on a previous thread about Eastern Airlines 401 that crashed into the Everglades in '72.
The crew of three on a Tri-Star 1011 became consumed with a landing gear light failure and never heard or saw the altitude hold (AltHold) feature release and the aircraft begin descent. It's dark over the Everglades at night with little or no visual references, but they were totally consumed with the gear problem. They flew the aircraft in a shallow descent into the ground. There were survivors.
If the German plane AltHold disconnected and the two man crew did not respond, it could have descended inadvertently, or the crew may have been incapacitated and unable to stop the descent.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at March 24, 2015 03:04 PM (P330y)
Of something.
Anything.
Including now not being sufficiently sympathetic to the plight of women who are scared to come forward with their fake rape stories.
If would be comical if this were just some fringe lunatics, but here is a sitting US Senator....
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 24, 2015 03:05 PM (XmOA9)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 24, 2015 03:07 PM (VpkjW)
Sounds like something you can get at Rapey Tuesday's.
Served with horseradish and sauerkraut on the side.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 24, 2015 03:08 PM (I8YZX)
Time EDT Lat. Long. Heading Direction KTS* MPH* Altitude Rate Location/Type
05:30AM 43.0412 5.5936 43° Northeast 476 548 38,000 Level FlightAware ADS-B
05:30AM 43.1105 5.6674 31° Northeast 479 551 38,000 -316 Level FlightAware ADS-B
05:31AM 43.1845 5.7177 26° Northeast 475 547 37,600 -1,455 Descending FlightAware ADS-B (LIRP / PSA)
05:31AM 43.2415 5.7546 26° Northeast 472 543 36,400 -3,200 Descending FlightAware ADS-B
05:32AM 43.3014 5.7931 26° Northeast 478 550 34,400 -3,455 Descending FlightAware ADS-B (LIRP / PSA)
05:32AM 43.3687 5.8368 26° Northeast 473 544 32,600 -2,636 Descending FlightAware ADS-B (LFMD / CEQ)
05:33AM 43.4327 5.8782 26° Northeast 472 543 31,500 -3,877 Descending FlightAware ADS-B (LFMD / CEQ)
05:34AM 43.5026 5.9234 26° Northeast 480 552 28,400 -4,036 Descending FlightAware ADS-B (LFMD / CEQ)
05:35AM 43.6535 6.0222 26° Northeast 488 562 24,100 -3,440 Descending FlightAware ADS-B (LFMD / CEQ)
* Ground speed.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 24, 2015 03:13 PM (VpkjW)
re: the plane crash
No distress call. There exists the possibility that something catastrophic happened so rapidly that the pilot was overwhelmed.
Is that likely? Sure. But this plane, for all we know so far, was flown into the ground at full tilt. That's stinks in Denmark, if you ask me.
Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 24, 2015 03:14 PM (99lLg)
Doesn't "victim blaming" usually require, um, a victim?
God, Ican't wait until the execrable Teresa Sullivan is out on her ass so I don't have to despise my alma mater anymore. She can take thatvilebitchBonnie Gordon with her.
Posted by: radar at March 24, 2015 03:17 PM (kQfqk)
WTH makes clapping "triggering"?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 24, 2015 03:20 PM (DXzRD)
Posted by: HH at March 24, 2015 03:57 PM (Ce4DF)
Posted by: Midnight Clad at March 24, 2015 04:14 PM (gbot2)
Growing up,Gillibrand was a fat girl who couldn't get a date with a real man. She attended Emma Willard School for Girls in Troy, NY, which is why she knows nothing about men other than they are evil and must be stopped.
I think herirrational position against men is rooted in the fact that she very well may be the granddaughter of mysoginist Democrat -- theirony being that she never would have made itin politics aside from that disturbing fact.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 24, 2015 04:43 PM (iAUf+)
Posted by: RGallegos at March 24, 2015 05:28 PM (ylyRy)
Posted by: ron n. at March 24, 2015 11:30 PM (YVQn/)
Shouldn't actions--like elections--have consequences?
Posted by: Comanche Voter at March 25, 2015 12:09 PM (3rLmo)
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