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Charlottesville PD: After Months of Investigating the Baroque Gangrape Alleged by "Jackie," There Is, Get This, No Evidence That Such A Thing Happened
Though they are politically correct enough to say that the complete absence of evidence that anything happened at all doesn't mean that something didn't happen.
"We have no basis to conclude that anything happened at that fraternity house," Chief Timothy Longo of the Charlottesville police told reporters. He said that the student, identified in the article as Jackie, refused to give a statement or answer questions when she met with police in December, two weeks after the article was published.Two weeks after the article was published, it had only barely been challenged. Yet she wouldn't talk to police about it. Plainly sounds like a woman who was Serious You Guys assaulted.
How ridiculous. In order to appease a noisy and influential political lobby, we're all required to pretend along with Jackie. On the plus side, police have been able to identify that totally-hot upperclassman who was totally into Jackie.
Longo said that police found no evidence that a party took place at the fraternity, Phi Kappa Psi, on the night of the alleged gang rape in September 2012, as described in the article. The chief stressed that the conclusion did not mean that "something terrible didn't happen to Jackie," only that police could not corroborate it. He characterized the investigation as suspended, not closed.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 02:50 PM (h6Mpm)
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 02:51 PM (h6Mpm)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2015 02:51 PM (2ePOO)
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 02:51 PM (h6Mpm)
Posted by: Roy at March 23, 2015 02:52 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 23, 2015 02:52 PM (eytER)
It was completely fabricated but we can't close the investigation because we never opened it. She hasn't filed a complaint which would then open her up to felony charges.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 23, 2015 02:52 PM (wlDny)
Is it Rapey Tuesday already?
Posted by: shredded chi at March 23, 2015 02:52 PM (uKWAY)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 02:53 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Yip at March 23, 2015 02:53 PM (84SRe)
Posted by: Roy at March 23, 2015 02:53 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 02:53 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 23, 2015 02:53 PM (eytER)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 23, 2015 02:53 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 02:53 PM (kff5f)
You're a better man than I, Gunga Din.
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 02:53 PM (h6Mpm)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 02:53 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: The Narrative at March 23, 2015 02:53 PM (JMsTM)
Posted by: Moderate Salami at March 23, 2015 02:53 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 23, 2015 02:53 PM (gfB4n)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 02:53 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Golfman at March 23, 2015 02:54 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 23, 2015 02:53 PM
*chuckles evilly*
Posted by: The Barrel at March 23, 2015 02:54 PM (h4vJk)
Is it Rapey Tuesday already?
Posted by: shredded chi at March 23, 2015 02:52 PM (uKWAY)
The name of my next restaurant chain. Rapey Tuesday. Thanks Chi, you get a free boiler maker on the house.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 02:54 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 23, 2015 02:54 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: The Barrel at March 23, 2015 02:54 PM (eytER)
Posted by: Ned Pepper at March 23, 2015 02:54 PM (CZexX)
Posted by: Penfold at March 23, 2015 02:54 PM (Fbt5B)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2015 02:54 PM (2ePOO)
Posted by: Roy at March 23, 2015 02:54 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 02:55 PM (ZPrif)
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 02:5
I've modified it,
Nuke it.
Salt it.
Leave it.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 02:55 PM (2Aj5D)
So many beautiful places ravaged by the Libs.
Posted by: Golfman at March 23, 2015 02:55 PM (48QDY)
Of course.
Because equality between men and women means shielding women from any kind of negative attention- even that which results from lies they spread about others.
Also: Ace to the barrel.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 02:55 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 23, 2015 02:55 PM (Fr8iN)
Come to me.....
It's been far too long.......
Posted by: The Barrel at March 23, 2015 02:54 PM (eytER
Shhhh.
You'll get him all nervous like and he'll ban his sorry ewok ass.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 02:55 PM (2Aj5D)
My understanding is she was raped at the fraternity house then conquered the Balrog before leaving. Publish me in Rolling Stone. I'm a creditable source.
Posted by: Meric1837 at March 23, 2015 02:56 PM (yrsus)
It also gives them an out when the Libs cry and whine about it. They can say; "hey look, our investigation is still open."
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 23, 2015 02:56 PM (4oSLk)
Posted by: Bach, Handel, Vivaldi, Couperin, Rameau at March 23, 2015 02:56 PM (Lre/J)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 23, 2015 02:56 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Draki at March 23, 2015 02:56 PM (0eidE)
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Are we not supposed to talk about rape hoaxes?
Don't know if you've been paying attention, but it's kind of a recurring problem.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 02:56 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: The Prog Agenda at March 23, 2015 02:56 PM (8hctH)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 23, 2015 02:57 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 02:57 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Roy at March 23, 2015 02:57 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Hedley Lamar at March 23, 2015 02:57 PM (XlHZs)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 23, 2015 02:57 PM (7ObY1)
In fairness, that's not necessarily PC speak; he's merely speaking within the facts he knows right now. He does not know definitively that no rape occurred, but he DOES know definitively that there is at present no evidence for such.
We teach scientists to talk that way ("X is consistent with Y," rather than "X proves Y," because there may be another explanation for the data that we haven't yet thought of), so that they'll think that way.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 23, 2015 02:57 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Caravaggio at March 23, 2015 02:57 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Rapey Monday at March 23, 2015 02:57 PM (yl/WE)
That will never be not funny....
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 23, 2015 02:57 PM (eytER)
Posted by: Soona at March 23, 2015 02:57 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Draki at March 23, 2015 02:58 PM (0eidE)
I just got back from 2 blissful weeks of fishing in the Keys with hardly any contact with the real world and I had totally forgotten how bug fuck nuts the world has become.
I want to go back.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 23, 2015 02:58 PM (g1DWB)
I'm not spinning in MY grave.
I'm de-composing.
Get it? De-composing. I kill myself. Oh, wait...
Posted by: J.S. Bach at March 23, 2015 02:58 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Emma Sulkowicz at March 23, 2015 02:58 PM (XlHZs)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 02:58 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: wrg500 at March 23, 2015 02:58 PM (S+el1)
If you lie about proposed legislation, no big deal. If you do government business on private servers, so what? If you lie to the public about a video to hide the fact that you screwed an ambassador who you were using to trade arms with terrorists, fine.
But if somebody makes up a rape story about you, you're in it big time, mister.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2015 02:59 PM (2ePOO)
He won't close it because there are crazies out there who still think this is real.
You missed the best part ace, per the presser, after the cops got a hold of her she lawyered up using the Charlottesville legal aid. So she sucked resources from people who could actually use it aside for costing the city a ton of dough not to mention the random people caught in this (including some dude from an entirely different frat who just happened to work at the aquatic center)
Posted by: tsrblke (phone) at March 23, 2015 02:59 PM (QkK8M)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 23, 2015 02:59 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 23, 2015 02:59 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Chief Timothy Longo at March 23, 2015 02:59 PM (8ZskC)
this brave new world of justice, only the undocumented crimes are
prosecuted.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2015 02:54 PM (2ePOO)
But never the "undocumented" immigrants.
Posted by: Heralder at March 23, 2015 02:59 PM (/Mxso)
We have dollars wasted by the police, dollars wasted by the University on studies, and I'm sure dollars wasted by the state government in looking into this.
Not to mention the dollars the fraternity had to wasted to "defend" itself.
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 02:59 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 02:54 PM (2Aj5D)
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Preesh. I can only assume that comes with a complimentary roofie, right?
Posted by: shredded chi at March 23, 2015 02:59 PM (uKWAY)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
FIFY.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2015 02:59 PM (Ma5u/)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 23, 2015 02:59 PM (oKE6c)
LOUD NOISES!!!! PERPETUAL OUTRAGE!!!!
All fed and responded to right here unfortunately.
Posted by: prescient11 at March 23, 2015 02:59 PM (q5APL)
There goes Ace perpetuating narrative of the "perfect rapist*" as a "handsome white guy, preferably rich but you know what hicks will do fine too. whatevers"
* according to hatefilled liberal feminists
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at March 23, 2015 02:59 PM (W+6Gl)
Posted by: Roy at March 23, 2015 02:59 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Susan Rice at March 23, 2015 02:59 PM (m0074)
Posted by: Yip at March 23, 2015 02:59 PM (84SRe)
Posted by: Draki at March 23, 2015 03:00 PM (0eidE)
Posted by: Midnight Rider at March 23, 2015 03:00 PM (7wyDO)
Posted by: The Mamas and the Papas at March 23, 2015 03:00 PM (yl/WE)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at March 23, 2015 03:00 PM (W+6Gl)
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 23, 2015 03:00 PM (Spluw)
Yet she wouldn't talk to police about it.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong: didn't she try to recant the story before Rolling Stone published it?
Because that's actually fairly important to me. One, it shows she knew she was lying- that, indeed, nothing "horrible" had happened to her. But, two, it also shows that Rolling Stone knew (or should have known) that the article was based on a lie.
Which is actually the bigger deal, here. A college student lying about it to shore up her "victim" cred is one thing. A national magazine smearing an entire college campus and everyone who has ever been at a given Frat is something else entirely.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 03:00 PM (kff5f)
Based on her willfully lying to advance a narrative
A job in the State Department
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:00 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at March 23, 2015 03:00 PM (NHtMs)
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 23, 2015 03:01 PM (Fr8iN)
.
.
One would think so, I mean it isn't like she filed a police report so I would think the rape shield laws wouldn't go into effect for her like they did for that Crystal Magnum girl at Duke.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 23, 2015 03:01 PM (4oSLk)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 23, 2015 03:01 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: Sharkman at March 23, 2015 03:01 PM (72D6h)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 03:01 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 23, 2015 03:01 PM (I8nxO)
Posted by: wrg500 at March 23, 2015 02:58 PM (S+el1)
As a matter of public safety, they should. All the fraternities and guys around campus should know who she is so they can keep her as far away as possible. There should be a notice with her picture by every male student's door that says "Warning! Nutjob known to make false rape allegations! Associate at your own risk!"
Posted by: Insomniac at March 23, 2015 03:01 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 23, 2015 03:01 PM (IXrOn)
Twitchy has a good assortment up.
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Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2015 03:01 PM (Ma5u/)
He presented evidence that it couldn't have happened as Jackie said. Pretty good evidence. Including a photo which basically shows no party there that night.
Posted by: tsrblke (phone) at March 23, 2015 03:02 PM (QkK8M)
Based on her willfully lying to advance a narrative
A job in the State Department
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:00 PM (zOTsN)
Book deal and talk-show circuit.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 23, 2015 03:02 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 23, 2015 03:02 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: redsweater at March 23, 2015 03:02 PM (q5JWV)
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at March 23, 2015 03:02 PM (NHtMs)
Posted by: Roy at March 23, 2015 03:02 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 02:55 PM (ZPrif)
Apparently, while we weren't looking, the liberals passed the Distaff Hoaxster Shield Act.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 23, 2015 03:02 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 23, 2015 03:02 PM (Spluw)
A big ass civil law suit against her would help bring her name out.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 03:03 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: fly gal at March 23, 2015 03:03 PM (8TdcF)
There burgers are pretty good.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 23, 2015 03:02 PM (LA7Cm)
Yeah, but what's in the Special Sauce?
Posted by: Country Singer at March 23, 2015 03:03 PM (8hctH)
Posted by: Golfman at March 23, 2015 03:03 PM (48QDY)
No, I don't think it should be mandatory for women to report rapes. Mandatory coercion is a lib thing. And of course women do get raped, I'm not saying all women are liars. I just think that it's VERY interesting, is all.
Posted by: LizLem at March 23, 2015 03:03 PM (yRwC8)
Posted by: Rolling Stone at March 23, 2015 03:03 PM (84SRe)
There burgers are pretty good.
PRO TIP: Avoid the secret sauce.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 23, 2015 03:03 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: wrg500 at March 23, 2015 03:03 PM (S+el1)
Just like every other crime.
Keeping the name secret actually increases the stigma. Best way to fight the stigma is to treat it like any other crime.
Keeping the names of the accusers secret -- while publishing the names of the accused -- inevitably leads to abuse and fake rape accusations.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 03:03 PM (ZPrif)
Chief slipped up and said "Laurie" at one point. Could be nothing
Posted by: tsrblke (phone) at March 23, 2015 03:03 PM (QkK8M)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:04 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 03:04 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at March 23, 2015 03:04 PM (W+6Gl)
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Buy-one get-one - a.k.a. the D.P.
Posted by: Roy at March 23, 2015 03:04 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: CNN at March 23, 2015 03:04 PM (NHtMs)
Posted by: John F'n Kerry at March 23, 2015 03:04 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 23, 2015 03:04 PM (8ZskC)
Based on her willfully lying to advance a narrative
A job in the State Department
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:00 PM (zOTsN)
Book deal and talk-show circuit.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 23, 2015 03:02 PM (2Ojst)
Mattress delivery specialist.
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 03:04 PM (h6Mpm)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 23, 2015 03:05 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 23, 2015 03:03 PM (8ZskC)
So you're saying that isn't Mayo? Damn!
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 03:05 PM (2Aj5D)
Posted by: The Walking Dude at March 23, 2015 03:05 PM (Ez1JD)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:05 PM (zOTsN)
In Heaven, Jefferson's name is "Pinwheel."
Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 23, 2015 03:05 PM (Bl8Zy)
Some legal person help me out. Is there no legal remedy for these false accusations? Slander, whatever?
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 23, 2015 03:05 PM (eytER)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2015 03:05 PM (2ePOO)
Posted by: Garrett at March 23, 2015 03:05 PM (wM9k+)
There burgers are pretty good.
Fur burger with a side of thighs.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2015 03:05 PM (Ma5u/)
Posted by: Whoopi G at March 23, 2015 03:05 PM (I8nxO)
Posted by: JackStraw at March 23, 2015 03:06 PM (g1DWB)
A charge is made. There is no evidence to support the charge, but it must be investigated using the tools of the day. The investigators believe the charge, or are afraid to dismiss it out of hand.
Repent, confess your sins. You are a heretic, witch, communist, rapist. Admit it, apologize and beg for forgiveness.
Posted by: JohnsTH36 at March 23, 2015 03:06 PM (7ILz5)
Don't know if you've been paying attention, but it's kind of a recurring problem.
Posted by: Costanza Defense
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Jeez, man - open a beer and chill. We know that you're seriously super serious. Seriously.
Better yet, I'm gonna make a bourbon & ginger - can I make one for you?
Posted by: shredded chi at March 23, 2015 03:06 PM (uKWAY)
Posted by: Rapey Candlestick at March 23, 2015 03:06 PM (84SRe)
Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at March 23, 2015 03:06 PM (1BQGO)
Sure. Makes sense.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 23, 2015 03:06 PM (IH3+v)
Turns out at least 3 of the accused are black men. So....yeah. Narrative fail. Only blonde, blue eyed white frat boys need apply.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 23, 2015 03:06 PM (iITqC)
There may or may not be a rape happening inside. You don't know until you open the door.
Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at March 23, 2015 03:06 PM (27KAF)
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 23, 2015 03:07 PM (ZvKdv)
Posted by: redsweater at March 23, 2015 03:02 PM (q5JWV)
It seems "Jackie" had a bunch of lovey dovey teen angst emails and/or texts allegedly from the rapist that were ripped off from Dawson's Creek. Basically, she wrote these and sent them to herself to try to garner the affectations of a guy that actually exists.
Posted by: Country Singer at March 23, 2015 03:07 PM (8hctH)
Ahh, I love the smell of rape in the afternoon.
'scuse please. That was the bean burrito from breakfast.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2015 03:07 PM (Ma5u/)
Posted by: Costanza Defense
You're making an assertion without providing any proof. You may be riught, but you may very well be disasterously wrong.
If you cited suicide figures or other issues associated with survivors of violent crime I might agree with you.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 23, 2015 03:07 PM (Spluw)
That's a punchline to a joke.
"In Heaven, her husband is known as 'Pinwheel' Johnson."
The joke is that Mr. Johnson said he'd rollover in his grave if his wife ever remarried.
Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 23, 2015 03:07 PM (Bl8Zy)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2015 03:07 PM (2ePOO)
Often it's just some bad/awkward sexual encounter that they build up in their mind as rape. Regretted sex is the new rape.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 03:07 PM (ZPrif)
Just a little reminder here that Jann Wenner is a disgusting pile of shit, and that his flagship publication Rolling Stone has a long, long history of such stunts.
Consider the brutal hit piece which RS ran against Gen. Stan McChrystal. Which culminated in a panicked Obama firing McChrystal, one of America's best special operations commanders, for insubordination. After which, an internal Pentagon and Army review concluded that there had to have been extensive fabrication of what the article had presented as fact to the public. Quotes made up out of whole cloth.
The "journalist" at RS who cranked out this tripe turned out to be a regularly relapsing drug addict who went on to die in a high speed car wreck with crystal meth residue in his system.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 23, 2015 03:07 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at March 23, 2015 03:07 PM (NHtMs)
Streisand effect is what comes to my mind if they try any potential remedy...
it's a brave new world we live in.
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 23, 2015 03:07 PM (I8nxO)
There's a separate shield law for minors, I think, which could certainly stay in place (though, for accusers, I'm not sure it should- but I'll admit that particular situation is... problematic).
But if you're not a minor, and you don't have some compelling reason to shield your identity? No, I don't think their names should be withheld.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 03:07 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:04 PM (zOTsN)
_________
Forget her. Sue Rolling Stone.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 23, 2015 03:07 PM (IH3+v)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 23, 2015 03:07 PM (oDCMR)
In that regard, I find "Jackie" contemptible and disgusting.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 23, 2015 03:07 PM (GGCsk)
It was completely fabricated but we can't close the investigation because we never opened it. She hasn't filed a complaint which would then open her up to felony charges.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 23, 2015 02:52 PM (wlDny)
Yep. And that's also likely why she wouldn't cooperate with the cops or make any statements to them. Making false statements to the police ain't no joke.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at March 23, 2015 03:07 PM (KkVB6)
Apparently Cruz and his wife kissed during a rehearsal for the speech, and now libs are a-twitter that he even rehearsed his kiss oh noes!!!
Someone had the gall to repost the Al Gore/Tipper kiss of passion. MY EYES. Who do I report eye rape to?
Posted by: LizLem at March 23, 2015 03:08 PM (yRwC8)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 03:03 PM (2Aj5D)
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At the very least, she should buy the frat a new coffee table.
Posted by: Soona at March 23, 2015 03:08 PM (/HX7u)
Slander
Libel
Sue rolling stone for not using due diligence to verify her claims and ruining the fraternities reputation
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:08 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:04 PM (zOTsN)
_________
Forget her. Sue Rolling Stone.
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And UVA. Due process is the cornerstone of civil rights. High time Higher Education get a Learning Experience.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 23, 2015 03:08 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: The Raping Times at March 23, 2015 03:09 PM (yl/WE)
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No, I'm making an argument. On principle.
If you get shot or stabbed or beaten up or robbed ... you have to publicly file a complaint, you have to publicly accuse the person.
Except in sexual assault. And that is bullshit.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 03:09 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at March 23, 2015 03:09 PM (1BQGO)
Posted by: Microaggression against the machine at March 23, 2015 03:09 PM (Lre/J)
Posted by: eleven at March 23, 2015 03:09 PM (Ae7K+)
Is Ace turned off to Cruz after his overtly religious announcement?
Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 23, 2015 03:09 PM (Bl8Zy)
In that regard, I find "Jackie" contemptible and disgusting.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 23, 2015 03:07 PM (GGCsk)
Yes, this. Among the victims of false rape reports are women (and girls, and men, and boys) who actually have been raped.
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 03:09 PM (h6Mpm)
Posted by: Sho Nuff at March 23, 2015 03:09 PM (jtxl6)
If you get shot or stabbed or beaten up or robbed ... you have to publicly file a complaint, you have to publicly accuse the person.
Except in sexual assault. And that is bullshit.
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Gotta say, I'm sympathetic to that opinion. Does the accused have the right to face his accuser or not?
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 23, 2015 03:10 PM (eytER)
Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 23, 2015 03:10 PM (Bl8Zy)
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at March 23, 2015 03:10 PM (jCMs8)
Posted by: Newsweek, Still Only A Dollar at March 23, 2015 03:10 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Marcus T at March 23, 2015 03:10 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at March 23, 2015 03:10 PM (NHtMs)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 23, 2015 03:11 PM (oBghv)
Raping in the name of!
Posted by: Microaggression against the machine at March 23, 2015 03:09 PM (Lre/J)
Bulls(hit) on Parade!
Posted by: Ragestroking against the Machine at March 23, 2015 03:11 PM (gfB4n)
There's no burden of proof. You just have to believe your own lie and, boom, you are a Noble Victim.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 03:11 PM (ZPrif)
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According to the confrontation clause yes.
But that only applies to trial.
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 03:11 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 03:04 PM (2Aj5D)
Jackie Mackie Paisley Passey.
Posted by: Sharkman at March 23, 2015 03:11 PM (72D6h)
Posted by: H-Rod Clinton at March 23, 2015 03:11 PM (P330y)
No.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 23, 2015 03:11 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 03:12 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Barney Frank at March 23, 2015 03:12 PM (84SRe)
As I said elsewhere, it appears the only verifiable fact from the RS article proven to be true is that there is a University of Virginia in Charlottesville.
Is it?
IS IT????
Posted by: eleven at March 23, 2015 03:12 PM (Ae7K+)
Posted by: Costanza Defense
I don't agree thatany survivor of violent crimeshould have to be disclosed.
And your assertion was that the best way to fight the stigma was to expose these women. We don't know that.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 23, 2015 03:12 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Police Chief Lloyd Christmas at March 23, 2015 03:12 PM (CZexX)
Posted by: Whoopi Goldberg at March 23, 2015 03:12 PM (pS7Ne)
Posted by: Anyone that used SCOAMFs NCAA picks as a basis for gambling at March 23, 2015 03:12 PM (jCMs8)
Except for accusations of rape of course.
Stupid Constitution. Dead White Rapist Men wrote it, obviously.
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 03:12 PM (h6Mpm)
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at March 23, 2015 03:12 PM (NHtMs)
Posted by: Marcus T at March 23, 2015 03:12 PM (GGCsk)
Consider yourself defeated by Our Rock Logic!
Posted by: Rage Against the Machine at March 23, 2015 03:12 PM (yl/WE)
Posted by: Garrett at March 23, 2015 03:13 PM (wM9k+)
Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at March 23, 2015 03:13 PM (1BQGO)
Posted by: Susan Rice at March 23, 2015 03:13 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 03:13 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Howard Schultz, CEO, Starbucks at March 23, 2015 03:13 PM (8ZskC)
Only she cleverly never made a statement to police. The only remedy is to sue her and rolling stone civilly
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:13 PM (zOTsN)
Well, that was a "given."
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 03:14 PM (kff5f)
Hmmm. I have a great idea.
Posted by: Howard Schultz, CEO, Starbucks at March 23, 2015 03:13 PM (8ZskC)
#RapeTogether
Posted by: Insomniac at March 23, 2015 03:14 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Starbucks Barista at March 23, 2015 03:14 PM (NHtMs)
"Has Jake Ryan been questioned?"
No. He's been too busy helping Matthew Modine get ready to wrestle The Shoot.
Posted by: Benji Carver at March 23, 2015 03:14 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Furious George at March 23, 2015 03:14 PM (UlJ3l)
Posted by: NYU mattress girl at March 23, 2015 03:14 PM (GuwT9)
Posted by: HAL at March 23, 2015 03:14 PM (OmBeX)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 23, 2015 03:14 PM (GDulk)
Posted by: Howard Schultz, CEO Starbucks at March 23, 2015 03:14 PM (P330y)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 23, 2015 03:14 PM (hLRSq)
You'll get him all nervous like and he'll ban his sorry ewok ass.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 02:55 PM (2Aj5D)
Never. Not. Funny.
I'll give Jackie this, she was smart enough (or Daddy's lawyers screamed at her long enough) to comprehend that so long as she never complained to the cops or filed a police report or in any way gave a false statement to the cops, then she can't be criminally charged.
Rolling Stone is screwed on this. These were private individuals that RS did not do even the slightest amount of fact checking before defaming. Yes, defamation is difficult to prove vis a vis a media outlet but not impossible. See re: Richard Jewell. That poor man.
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira at March 23, 2015 03:15 PM (mf5HN)
Raped three times by three armed assailants in her own home - yeah, you might think a story like that would be of interest to feminists who manufactured a fake gang rape at the University of Virginia to dramatize their "rape culture" agenda. In fact, the victim in Las Vegas is something of a celebrity, a former porn performer known at Cytherea.
http://tinyurl.com/nk6r9hg
Posted by: mallfly at March 23, 2015 03:15 PM (qSIlh)
In many ways, isn't this the story of Obama?
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 23, 2015 03:15 PM (eytER)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 23, 2015 03:14 PM (hLRSq)
It's worked for me so far!
Posted by: Hillary! at March 23, 2015 03:15 PM (8hctH)
Posted by: H-Rod Clinton at March 23, 2015 03:11 PM (P330y)
Bitch. Just leave my fucking lunch out of this!
Posted by: Sharkman at March 23, 2015 03:15 PM (72D6h)
Posted by: tdpwells at March 23, 2015 03:16 PM (o8t/A)
Posted by: filbert
Rape victims have to appear in court, and get the joy of reliving what happened, and having to face their attackers.
I agree that people that falsely accuse others of this should be named.
Some rape victims, real rape victims, have come forward. many do not.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 23, 2015 03:16 PM (Spluw)
Boo hoo.
How much did this scrunty gal cost the taxpayers in police man hours investigating her delayed adolescent fantasy life?
Posted by: LASue at March 23, 2015 03:16 PM (wgFcF)
The Constitution is not applicable here because no criminal accusation was made.
Why do you hate the Constitution?
Posted by: eleven at March 23, 2015 03:16 PM (Ae7K+)
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 03:16 PM (gmeXX)
I had the biggest crush on jake. He was so hot.
Posted by: CaliGirl at March 23, 2015 03:16 PM (BHl9S)
Shouldn't there be a troll or two on this thread?
Yet another Leftist Narrative has finished melting and is now being shop-vac'd into a pail for disposal, and this is the sort of thing that draws them ... much like flies to freshly-grunted dogshit.
Posted by: Arbalest at March 23, 2015 03:17 PM (FlRtG)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 23, 2015 03:01 PM
Will no one speak out about our ongoing violation?!
Posted by: Infinitives Everywhere at March 23, 2015 03:17 PM (h4vJk)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:13 PM (zOTsN)
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For slander? That would be like raping poor Jackie all over again. Not going to happen.
Posted by: Soona at March 23, 2015 03:17 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Damiano at March 23, 2015 03:17 PM (AEQXb)
Some prosecutor takes you to court, and loses. So another prosecutor takes you to a different court on a different charge from the same incident that redefines what the incident was all about.
Murder becomes 'wrongful death' becomes a civil rights violation.
Posted by: JohnsTH36 at March 23, 2015 03:17 PM (7ILz5)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 23, 2015 03:17 PM (LA7Cm)
http://www.c-ville.com/police-arrest-gene-everett-washington-rugby-ave-double-murder/#.VRBmVvzF98E
Posted by: dnice at March 23, 2015 03:17 PM (Tnt6v)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 23, 2015 03:17 PM (MMC8r)
http://tinyurl.com/nk6r9hg
Posted by: mallfly at March 23, 2015 03:15 PM (qSIlh)
One look at the mugshots and it's pretty obvious why the usually-shrieking feminist harpies are oddly silent about this one.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 23, 2015 03:17 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 23, 2015 03:18 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 23, 2015 03:18 PM (4oSLk)
Posted by: Damiano at March 23, 2015 03:18 PM (AEQXb)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:18 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: tdpwells at March 23, 2015 03:16 PM (o8t/A)
I know right!
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira at March 23, 2015 03:18 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Marcus T at March 23, 2015 03:18 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 23, 2015 03:18 PM (oDCMR)
Yes, she's hittable. I know the first question in your dirty, dirty minds.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 23, 2015 03:19 PM (7ObY1)
Are we still talking about Hillary?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 23, 2015 03:19 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: wooga at March 23, 2015 03:19 PM (nllJH)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid!
__________
Don't forget about me!
Posted by: Low Information President, now with Extra Anger! at March 23, 2015 03:19 PM (UlJ3l)
1) Figure out where you want to go
2) Lie cheat and conspire to get there
The Truth Be Damned
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 23, 2015 03:19 PM (rDqRv)
It's not a good idea to remind people that you are raping them.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 23, 2015 03:19 PM (LA7Cm)
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There is nothing unconstitutional about anonymous allegations made in the media, nor are anonymous allegations made to the police unconstitutional. Let's be clear about what the Constitution requires and protects.
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 03:20 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Marcus T at March 23, 2015 03:20 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 23, 2015 03:20 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 23, 2015 03:20 PM (oBghv)
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That's really frickin' stupid. Getting beaten up is violent. You have to accuse publicly.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 03:20 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 23, 2015 03:19 PM (LA7Cm)
Better put some ice on that.
Posted by: William Jefferson Clinton at March 23, 2015 03:21 PM (h6Mpm)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:21 PM (zOTsN)
Raped three times by three armed assailants in her own home -
Posted by: mallfly
That wasn't rape. She refused to check her privilege so they checked it for her.
Posted by: Liberal "Logic" at March 23, 2015 03:21 PM (GuwT9)
*looks a concert footage of audience*
Uhm...oooh.
Never mind.
Posted by: Ragestroking against the Machine at March 23, 2015 03:21 PM (Fr8iN)
Posted by: Marcus T at March 23, 2015 03:20 PM (GGCsk)
Dude.
We're morons. Not patients at an insane asylum.
Posted by: Sharkman at March 23, 2015 03:22 PM (72D6h)
Posted by: Costanza Defense
Okay.
I still don't think that rape victims (real ones) shold be named. Most real ones don't voluntarily announce themselves.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 23, 2015 03:22 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 23, 2015 03:22 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 23, 2015 03:23 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 23, 2015 03:23 PM (IH3+v)
It's not a false alarm if it's in her panties?
Posted by: Fire Marshall Bill at March 23, 2015 03:23 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2015 03:23 PM (Ma5u/)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 23, 2015 03:23 PM (7ObY1)
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Why? I'm open to the argument that due process demands it - but at this point, I think all the Constitution actually requires is the right to confront your accuser in court. So at some point, you cannot remain anonymous but you can remain anonymous for some time.
Or are you arguing that the minute you accuse someone of a crime - you must disclose yourself? I'm open to that argument - just don't know if that is what the Constitution demands.
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 03:23 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: tdpwells at March 23, 2015 03:23 PM (o8t/A)
"Filing a false report" just doesn't cut it.
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 03:23 PM (h6Mpm)
Weep for the coffee tables.
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 23, 2015 03:23 PM (evdj2)
SH at March 23, 2015 03:13 PM (gmeXX)
Bull shit.
You talk like a lawyer.
Posted by: JohnsTH36 at March 23, 2015 03:23 PM (7ILz5)
Posted by: Damiano at March 23, 2015 03:24 PM (AEQXb)
Posted by: Sharkman at March 23, 2015 03:22 PM (72D6h)
My vote for threadwinner.
Posted by: Ragestroking against the Machine at March 23, 2015 03:24 PM (gfB4n)
Posted by: JackStraw at March 23, 2015 03:24 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo
Not always a guarantee.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke who can't even win in Commiefornia at March 23, 2015 03:24 PM (GuwT9)
Posted by: eleven at March 23, 2015 03:24 PM (Ae7K+)
we'll redefine marriage so a couple of crusty old lesbians don't have to pay estate taxes.
if we're going to redefine regret sex as rape, then we need to redefine the punishment to a high five.
Posted by: Benedict Arnold CEO at March 23, 2015 03:24 PM (n5fTN)
I was almost raped by a white privilege guy in college, but armed with only trickery and deceit was I able to avoid being penetrated by his love stick. Yes, this counts.
Posted by: Melissa Harris-Perry, MSNBC at March 23, 2015 03:24 PM (P330y)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 23, 2015 03:20 PM (oDCMR)
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But........but.........
Posted by: Soona's dick at March 23, 2015 03:25 PM (/HX7u)
You talk like a lawyer.
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What is BS? Where am I wrong on what the Constitution actually requires?
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 03:25 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: prescient11 at March 23, 2015 03:25 PM (q5APL)
Posted by: Damiano
That's part of the problem. She never filed a police report. Instead, she played the victim card with everyone else EXCEPT the police.
UVa and Rolling Stone piled on and howled about something that was never put through any justice system.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 23, 2015 03:26 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:26 PM (zOTsN)
But you still have to publicly accuse.
It's embarrassing for a man to get beat up by a smaller man.
It's embarrassing for somebody who thinks they are smart to get swindled.
That's just something you have to endure if you want justice.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 03:26 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:18 PM (zOTsN)
Hugs for her.
My mom has counseled girls that have been raped. My sister had friends abused by a sports instructor. Does the left think that stories like this are really going to help those girls get the courage they need to file a report against their rapist and wind all the way through court proceedings to put their rapist away? False allegations nips that in the bud.
Maybe, MAYBE it furthers their narrative anyway. But in the REAL world, it just keeps women from getting the help and support they need. Who has the war on women again?
Posted by: LizLem at March 23, 2015 03:27 PM (yRwC8)
Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at March 23, 2015 03:27 PM (1BQGO)
Posted by: Benedict Arnold CEO at March 23, 2015 03:27 PM (n5fTN)
Posted by: mallfly at March 23, 2015 03:27 PM (qSIlh)
You cannot charge someone with a crime everytime they lie. The remedy is in civil court
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:26 PM (zOTsN)
Sir, you are correct, and I love you.
Posted by: Sir Edmund Hillary Rodham Clinton at March 23, 2015 03:27 PM (P330y)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:27 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Benji Carver at March 23, 2015 03:28 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:26 PM (zOTsN)
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This wasn't just "a lie". It was a lie repeated numerous times, that ruined people's lives, cost people property damage (the fraternity house was vandalized) and cost the city/county a ton of money investigating the lie.
That's criminal.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 23, 2015 03:28 PM (IH3+v)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 23, 2015 03:28 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 23, 2015 03:28 PM (oDCMR)
Criminal indictments are sealed all the time.
Posted by: prescient11 at March 23, 2015 03:29 PM (q5APL)
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Wait - so you think it is unconstitutional to make an anonymous allegation to the media?
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 03:29 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:26 PM (zOTsN)
There are various categories of lies recognized in the legal code. Some are "free speech." Some are libel/slander/defamation. Some are fraud. Some are perjury. Some carry civil penalties, some carry criminal penalties.
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 03:29 PM (h6Mpm)
Posted by: Costanza Defense
Then most will run, not walk away. And most people here wouldn't think that "want" ever enters into the equation of innocent people being put through the justice system. Don't take my word for it. Ask (real) survivors whether they would go through the Hell that is criminal trials knowing that their names and all the lurid details were being published and they get to live on forever on the Internet.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 23, 2015 03:29 PM (Spluw)
Once they officially accuse someone- unless they have a very good reason (like eminent harm) to be shielded, they should no longer be subject to anonymity.
Because the process is part of the punishment- and it's a part that the accused cannot avoid even if innocent (once the accusation is made official).
If you get to put me through hell, I get to know who you are.
Now- as to the current discussion; I can certainly see a reading of the Constitution which does not require it (though it certainly doesn't prohibit it, either). My argument is philosophical, not Constitutional.
In the current case under discussion, she never *did* accuse anyone. Ergo, there is no "accused" to face her. So they're just SOL (even though they shouldn't be).
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 03:30 PM (kff5f)
I was almost raped by a white privilege guy in college, but armed with only trickery and deceit was I able to avoid being penetrated by his love stick. Yes, this counts.
Posted by: Melissa Harris-Perry, MSNBC at March 23, 2015 03:24 PM (P330y)
Did you report the theft? That dick was almost certainly stolen.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 23, 2015 03:30 PM (2Ojst)
*Thinks to self "C"..."C"....."C".....what could that stand for?*
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 23, 2015 03:30 PM (LA7Cm)
The only weapon to deter rape hoaxes is public shame. Without their name we can't publicly shame them. There's no deterrent for lying. No penalty.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 03:30 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 03:25 PM (gmeXX)
The plain language in the constitution says that when you are accused of a crime you have the right to face your accuser in court.
Your Bull Shit claim is saying she didn't make the accusation to the proper civil authority. The Constitution doesn't say the accusation has to be filed with 'the appropriate officer'
It says
The Sixth Amendment guarantees the rights of criminal defendants, including the right to a public trial without unnecessary delay, the right to a lawyer, the right to an impartial jury, and the right to know who your accusers are and the nature of the charges and evidence against you. It has been most visibly tested in a series of cases involving terrorism, but much more often figures in cases that involve (for example) jury selection or the protection of witnesses, including victims of sex crimes as well as witnesses in need of protection from retaliation.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/sixth_amendment
Just like the second says 'shall not be infringed'.
Posted by: JohnsTH36 at March 23, 2015 03:31 PM (7ILz5)
And Jharles Chonson was hardest hit.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 23, 2015 03:31 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: The Chicken at March 23, 2015 03:31 PM (sV3Dv)
She never filed a complaint. The remedy is to sue. Their is no penalty for lying unless you are under oath or it is an official document like a tax return or a statement to police
Don't be pedantic
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:32 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 23, 2015 03:32 PM (oDCMR)
Police: Jackie will "absolutely not" face charges in UVA hoax. She also embellished details of another attack.
http://t.co/dYIpH96xlr
And that's why public shaming is the only deterrent.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 03:32 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 23, 2015 03:32 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 23, 2015 03:32 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Zombie Rachel Corrie at March 23, 2015 03:33 PM (P330y)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 23, 2015 03:33 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 23, 2015 03:33 PM (LA7Cm)
We have a better idea. Have cameras follow women around 24/7, everywhere they go, in every room they are in. Then when they get raped, not if but when, it will be caught on camera and we can put their rapist away! Yeah, nothing creepy or nefarious about this at all, is for THEIR protection!
Posted by: NSA at March 23, 2015 03:33 PM (yRwC8)
The problem here is, this person lied her ass off, but never made an official accusation.
She simply ran her mouth; so her name should be known.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 23, 2015 03:34 PM (Spluw)
I know exactly what the Constitution says - and it says that in a criminal prosecution you have the right to confront the witnesses against you. That generally means court - as you said.
Making an accusation in the media is not court.
Nor is it a criminal prosecution.
Nor was it made against any one individual.
We don't need to make the Constitution say things it doesn't.
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 03:34 PM (gmeXX)
Who was the defendant in the UVA case? Was any one charged?
No. No they weren't.
And you are being needlessly insulting to SH
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:34 PM (zOTsN)
Image search her and.........she's pretty good looking.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 23, 2015 03:35 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 23, 2015 03:36 PM (7ObY1)
But there were no charges.
That's the problem here. No one can "face their accuser" because no one was accused.
Now, if UVA and/or the Frat want to sue Rolling Stone and "Jackie" they could (if necessary, but her name *has* actually been disclosed) petition the court to force her to reveal herself (as the Speedway Bomber Who Shall Not Be Named tried to force Ace).
But no accusation was made. No charges were filed. No evidence was collected. Therefore, the 6th Amendment *cannot* apply. The 6th can only apply *once charges are filed.*
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 03:36 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham
[Gasp] It is the name that shall not be spoken!
Posted by: Dumbledore at March 23, 2015 03:36 PM (GuwT9)
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 03:16 PM (gmeXX)
Yes, and no. The problem with "Jackie," as I see it, is that from what evidence there actually is it certainly looks like she fabricated the whole thing in order to try and get a boy. And then when that didn't work out she apparently parlayed her sob story into status with the campus "anti-rape activist" community. Now, while none of that may be illegal it speaks to something seriously defective in our culture where a young woman (a) apparently has no fear of making up a horrendous accusation for a dumb purpose, and (b) is then treated as some kind of elevated person because of her made up victim status. This is all kinds of screwed up and needs to be seriously addressed and corrected in our culture.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at March 23, 2015 03:36 PM (KkVB6)
If you accuse someone of assault those records aren't sealed. It's a public record.
If you accuse someone of embezzlement those records aren't sealed. It's a public record.
Only juvenile names should be sealed. Adult accusers should be public absent a serious safety concern - threats from terrorists, organized crime, etc.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 03:36 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 23, 2015 03:36 PM (Spluw)
Wait are you the same person who thinks the 2nd A means that a private person cannot tell another that guns are not allowed on their property?
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 03:36 PM (gmeXX)
It's a proven fact that 50% of college students are below average.
And since high school counselors can convince everyone who is too stupid to learn a trade to go to college, those 50% are actually dumber than the population as a whole.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at March 23, 2015 03:36 PM (laMCB)
Even if she did attempt to stop the story, she originated the story and had been peddling it for months to her campus rape center friends.
On a completely different subject: ooooh, Jake Ryan! *swoon*
That actor totally disappeared after doing a few movies - is a carpenter somewhere far, far away from Hollywood.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2015 03:36 PM (V+8gv)
She was not under oath
She signed no official document
There was no defendant
There was no testimony.
Civil court is the remedy for slander and libel which I had already suggested
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:37 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at March 23, 2015 03:37 PM (tFWWx)
Posted by: MSM, looking for women to accuse Ted Cruz of rape and harassment as we speak at March 23, 2015 03:37 PM (yRwC8)
Posted by: Citizen X
I'm pretty sure that no thinking is involved.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 23, 2015 03:38 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 23, 2015 03:35 PM (LA7Cm)
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Yes. Yes she is.
Posted by: Soona's dick at March 23, 2015 03:38 PM (/HX7u)
I'm not even sure if that's true. Girls these days are masters of selfies and photo angles. There's a 3 point margin of error for all photos of girls under 30.
Posted by: wooga at March 23, 2015 03:38 PM (nllJH)
Course, if they did that, they wouldn't be liberals.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 23, 2015 03:38 PM (ZvKdv)
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2015 03:39 PM (go5uR)
Crazy comes in all kinds of packages ---stay away!!!
Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2015 03:39 PM (V+8gv)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 23, 2015 03:36 PM (7ObY1)
You never touch crazy.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 23, 2015 03:39 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peeping in the Seafood Store at March 23, 2015 03:39 PM (aeVIR)
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Journalistic integrity should prevent this - but ...
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 03:39 PM (gmeXX)
It may not have been rape-rape in the Whoppi sense, but when that menacing cock was approximately four feet from my vag, I went apoplectic with fear it would find my love canal and give me a fuckin' to remember.
Posted by: Jackie Coakley at March 23, 2015 03:39 PM (P330y)
So in other words, the smartest man alive.
Posted by: LizLem at March 23, 2015 03:39 PM (yRwC8)
Your Bull Shit claim is saying she didn't make the accusation to the proper civil authority. The Constitution doesn't say the accusation has to be filed with 'the appropriate officer'
Posted by: JohnsTH36 at March 23, 2015 03:31 PM (7ILz5)
Here is the actual text of the Sixth Amendment:
In all criminal prosecutions the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Emphasis added.
The plain language of the Constitution most decidedly requires that there be a criminal prosecution. What with those words being right there and all.
If there are no criminal charges, then Sixth Amendment protections do not come into play. As the plain language of the Constitution states.
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira at March 23, 2015 03:39 PM (mf5HN)
It's not a selfie.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 23, 2015 03:39 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Lizzy
Why? Was she drunk-singing a racist song?
Posted by: University of Oklahoma at March 23, 2015 03:39 PM (GuwT9)
I'm not even sure if that's true. Girls these days are masters of selfies and photo angles. There's a 3 point margin of error for all photos of girls under 30.
Yup.....angles (and lighting) are miraculous things.
Posted by: eleven at March 23, 2015 03:40 PM (Ae7K+)
Don't. Even. Think. About. It.
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Why not? No one will believe her now. Bring an extra wide coffee table.
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 23, 2015 03:40 PM (oDCMR)
again, you are reading words that are not there.
The amendment doesn't say criminal prosecution.
It says right to face your accuser in court..
The state is not your accuser. The state is acting as an agent for the person or persons who make the allegation. The state is also acting as an arbiter between two parties who are claiming something did or did not happen. That is the only reason we have government beyond protecting the population from foreign invasion.
How the state becomes away of the dispute is not an issue. Who brings the dispute to the attention of the state is not an issue.
One of the two parties makes an accusation both parties then are required to face each other while the state adjudicates the dispute.
Your expert opinion, your voice of authority can not make simple English say something other than what the words mean.
Posted by: JohnsTH36 at March 23, 2015 03:40 PM (7ILz5)
I'm so bad at selfies that I went to a professional photographer the other week to have my passport renewal photo done.
You're stuck with these things for 10 years, so you want a decent picture.
Posted by: jwest at March 23, 2015 03:40 PM (9ZZd+)
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at March 23, 2015 03:40 PM (laMCB)
Inquiring minds...
Posted by: SE Pa Moron at March 23, 2015 03:41 PM (xQX/f)
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It also requires an accused - which does not exist in this story (to my understanding).
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 03:41 PM (gmeXX)
Rule number 2: They're all crazy.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 23, 2015 03:42 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 23, 2015 03:42 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: CaliGirl at March 23, 2015 03:42 PM (BHl9S)
Posted by: Badda Bing at March 23, 2015 03:42 PM (o2yvE)
Posted by: Benedict Arnold CEO at March 23, 2015 03:42 PM (n5fTN)
Rule number 2: They're all crazy."
What do you do then?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 23, 2015 03:42 PM (LA7Cm)
*bzzt*
You're wrong. Guess again.
"In all criminal prosecutions" are the first 4 words of the amendment.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 03:42 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at March 23, 2015 03:43 PM (oDCMR)
Her best photo, the Red Blouse in Restaurant, is a selfie. See her right arm stretching towards the camera?
Posted by: wooga at March 23, 2015 03:43 PM (nllJH)
Posted by: JohnsTH36 at March 23, 2015 03:43 PM (7ILz5)
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My voice of authority is the Constitution. I am no expert in 6th A litigation - nor claim to be. I and others have debunked you on this point. Its ok to admit you are wrong. Its ok to admit that it shouldn't be this way. But I don't like saying the Constitution means one thing when the clear text says otherwise. I'll leave that for the left.
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 03:43 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Personal lubricants at March 23, 2015 03:44 PM (/Ho8c)
In fact both mattress chick and Jackie UVA sought the spotlight. I don't think revealing their names would have changed anything. It certainly did not deter them from lying. Everyone at UVA knows who Jackie is. She wanted it that way. Victim status requires publicity
The rape victims I have known were kids or drunk and bla,Ed themselves. They were embarrassed and worried about how it would affect their relationships even with family
The false accusers want to be known. Doing what you suggest CD would have changed nothing
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:44 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 23, 2015 03:42 PM (LA7Cm)
I still say that Ryan should make a fortune by doing seminars on The Cray Cray: How Not To Stick Your Dick In It.
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira at March 23, 2015 03:44 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: eleven at March 23, 2015 03:44 PM (Ae7K+)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 23, 2015 03:44 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Dan Rather at March 23, 2015 03:44 PM (P330y)
the University. And when you get down to it it the University. They are
the state institution involved.
What's sad is that the university reviewed he accusations and found them false, right? Which really pissed off Jackie.
It was only after the Rolling Stone article broke that they completely overreacted in attempt to hold off the national outrage for them not doing anything (in Jackie's and RC's estimation) up to that point.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2015 03:44 PM (V+8gv)
I say this from painful personal experience.
When the whole Horde is telling you you're wrong- you're probably wrong.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 03:44 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: JohnsTH36 at March 23, 2015 03:44 PM (7ILz5)
Man, do you want a backhoe? It'll help you get that hole dug faster. AtC answered it - if there is no criminal prosecution then there is no Sixth Amendment right to be confronted with your accuser in court.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has gone to Plaid! at March 23, 2015 03:45 PM (hLRSq)
Women's studies: Affirmative action for college students who are too stupid to study something else.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at March 23, 2015 03:40 PM (laMCB)
...and imagine all the praise they get just for walking around being outraged bitches.
Posted by: Badda Bing at March 23, 2015 03:45 PM (o2yvE)
Posted by: The Chicken at March 23, 2015 03:45 PM (sV3Dv)
The false accusers want to be known. Doing what you suggest CD would have changed nothing
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Completely false. Jackie has hidden in anonymity.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 03:46 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: JohnsTH36 at March 23, 2015 03:46 PM (7ILz5)
Dude. The plain language of the sixth amendment, as has already been pointed out, refers to rights in criminal prosecutions.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 23, 2015 03:46 PM (2Ojst)
Sorta like drivers licenses -- when you can *finally* look at the pic and say, "Not bad" it's then time to get a fresh pic that the DMV will make you look suitable for framing next to nine other perps on the FBI 'Most Wanted' list.
Posted by: SE Pa Moron at March 23, 2015 03:46 PM (xQX/f)
So in other words, the smartest man alive.Posted by: LizLem at March 23, 2015 03:39 PM (yRwC
He married a model and settled down with a couple of kids, according toa quick internet search, so yeah he turned out to be pretty damn smart.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 23, 2015 03:46 PM (OiH3z)
Everything that guy just said was bullshit. Thank you.
Posted by: Vinny at March 23, 2015 03:46 PM (h4vJk)
What do you do then?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 23, 2015 03:42 PM (LA7Cm)
I have some suggestions.
Posted by: Harry Reid at March 23, 2015 03:46 PM (nllJH)
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There's a huge problem of anonymous accusations on college campuses. Which you should know about it.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 03:46 PM (ZPrif)
What do you do then?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 23, 2015 03:42 PM (LA7Cm)
I have some suggestions.
Posted by: Harry Reid at March 23, 2015 03:46 PM (nllJH)
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So in a murder trial, who brings the accusation? Isn't it the state?
Posted by: Soona's dick at March 23, 2015 03:47 PM (/HX7u)
When the whole Horde is telling you you're wrong- you're probably wrong.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 03:44 PM (kff5f)
Tru dat AG.
Posted by: Badda Bing at March 23, 2015 03:47 PM (o2yvE)
Rule number 2: They're all crazy."
What do you do then?
Hire a pro.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2015 03:47 PM (Ma5u/)
Lies that could destroy other peoples lives.
Then the cooperation needed to run this society, will cease to exist.
And sadly, IMO, we are nearing that point.
Facts, and Truth, no longer matter.
Posted by: BB Wolf at March 23, 2015 03:47 PM (qh617)
Posted by: kj at March 23, 2015 03:47 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: JohnsTH36 at March 23, 2015 03:40 PM (7ILz5)
I just wanted to be sure everyone saw that.
Because you know, it's not like the VERY FIRST WORDS of the Sixth Amendment are "In all criminal prosecutions" or anything.
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira at March 23, 2015 03:47 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Soona at March 23, 2015 03:47 PM (/HX7u)
Posted by: Lizzy
I agree; i blame all three bad actors. If I walked around making allegations of a violent crime against a woman, but not making a formal charge in the justice system, then I should be named and called to account.
I agree with CD that her getting some special status and doing this damage is wrong. I'm horrified at what any such change would do to real victims.
But how to stop this shit?
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 23, 2015 03:48 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: Red Hot Chili Peppers at March 23, 2015 03:48 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 23, 2015 03:49 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 23, 2015 03:42 PM (LA7Cm)
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http://tinyurl.com/p629d9a
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at March 23, 2015 03:49 PM (laMCB)
Many don't.
And many of the ones who do want to be known only want to be known when people believe their accusations.
Yes, Jackie was public when she was a minor celebrity on the Campus Rape Club circuit, getting some fame and sympathy.
But now that she is a proven liar, she's demanding privacy and anonymity.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 03:49 PM (ZPrif)
repeatedly
I shall slink away in embarrassment, commit seppuku, reboot, change my nic and ip
everyone is happy now?
but y'all are still wrong... so there pfffft
Posted by: JohnsTH36 at March 23, 2015 03:50 PM (7ILz5)
The Daily Beast's piece on Cruz represents a new low for the genre and for modern political journalism, but I'm sure it won't be long before someone, somewhere plumbs new depths.
remember the paisley robe?
Posted by: mallfly at March 23, 2015 03:50 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 23, 2015 03:50 PM (2cS/G)
Also, that Average Joe sucks cock by choice.
Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at March 23, 2015 03:50 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Bruce Jenner's Plastic Vag at March 23, 2015 03:51 PM (dOu5t)
She signed no official document
There was no defendant
There was no testimony.
Civil court is the remedy for slander and libel which I had already suggested
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:37 PM (zOTsN)
Yes, I know.
But we still have a problem.
For instance, given all you say, what exactly was the Charlottesville PD investigating?
Are the sanctions currently in place in the law, against Jackie, Rolling Stone, and UVA to prevent their reckless behavior adequate?
From here, it appears that they are not. That's a problem.
How to fix?
We don't make robbery victims go to civil court to recover stolen items, do we? Restitution is part of the criminal punishment.
Is it adequate to leave "theft of reputation" a civil matter? Is there a level of offense to reputation which should rise to the level of a criminal offense in its own right?
That's what I'm trying to work through here.
Yes, AoSHQ comments is a silly place to do that.
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 03:51 PM (h6Mpm)
I think that is wrong. I think it should be treated like any other violent crime.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 03:51 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 23, 2015 03:52 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Costanza Defense
And she shouldn't get it. She ran her mouth and fed a national publication this crap.
There's a difference between her and someone who submits herself to the justice system.
But what to do if the accused is acquitted? Isthe accuserthen revealed? Remain unnamed in the press?
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 23, 2015 03:52 PM (Spluw)
Nothing beats a good constitutional debate.
All in good fun.
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 03:53 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 03:44 PM (kff5f)
A lesson Ace has yet to learn.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 23, 2015 03:54 PM (GDulk)
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 03:55 PM (h6Mpm)
Posted by: Costanza Defense
Already many victims refuse to participate. One of the women attacked by the vermin who later attacked and killed two coeds at UVa refused.
If it is treated like any other violent crime, more women are likely to opt out.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 23, 2015 03:55 PM (Spluw)
Posted by: George Glass at March 23, 2015 03:56 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: mallfly at March 23, 2015 03:56 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 23, 2015 03:56 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: the ghost of Nate Dogg at March 23, 2015 03:57 PM (tFWWx)
Posted by: Soona at March 23, 2015 03:57 PM (/HX7u)
As a former prosecutor I think the problem is in letting campus kangaroo courts anywhere near serious offenses like rape. They have no business handling these cases extra judicially. A serious offense like rape belongs in the hands of the local police department. Who would have required an interview with Jackie. Which would have subjected her to criminal liability
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 03:58 PM (zOTsN)
I disagree. When BB told him 'stuff' about reading the comments here he got a clue. He's mentioned our record before.
So I kinda feel for him right now. If he puts up a positive Cruz thread we'll know he's lying. If he puts up a negative Cruz thread we'll give him a ton of shit.
No win.
Posted by: SE Pa Moron at March 23, 2015 04:00 PM (xQX/f)
Probably the same way they (I mean police in general) will occasionally get involved when people show off stolen goods on social media: they'll use the posting (or magazine article) as a reason to open an investigation.
Posted by: Hibiscuits Credit-Unions at March 23, 2015 04:02 PM (Q819Q)
She had no date, and he was mixing it up with other kids and other girls. her phone call to him (the distress call) came the minute he walked into his own dorm. She stalked him, waited...waited...
Posted by: SarahW at March 23, 2015 04:03 PM (Lbv/k)
The police only need the report of a crime to investigate if a crime occurred.
A girl claiming she was raped should be enough warrant for the police to investigate if it actually happened. What else would they do?
Alternative reality Policeman: "Miss, if you're not going to accuse a specific person as your rapist, we're not investigating. You didn't get a good look at him and are too traumatized to remember? Too bad."
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 23, 2015 04:06 PM (0NdlF)
She had no date, and he was mixing it up with other kids and other girls. her phone call to him (the distress call) came the minute he walked into his own dorm. She stalked him, waited...waited...
Posted by: SarahW at March 23, 2015 04:10 PM (Lbv/k)
Gonna break a house rule here. Fuck. That. Noise.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 23, 2015 04:17 PM (XO6WW)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 23, 2015 04:35 PM (XO6WW)
No--Jackie attempted to perpetrate something terrible, and should be prosecuted, not pitied.
Posted by: Bartman231 at March 23, 2015 04:51 PM (AgSLq)
Posted by: Viking at March 23, 2015 05:26 PM (BFRrE)
Posted by: LASue at March 23, 2015 05:29 PM (wgFcF)
Posted by: Michael haz at March 23, 2015 05:40 PM (APCKW)
But too bad for Jackie, Little Ricky died in the crash of a chartered C47. He was probably fooling around with some drug paraphernalia and the plane caught on fire and crashed. And that was probably well before Jackie was born. But Jackie probably plays with a vibrator while looking at a poster of Ricky Nelson--so there's that.
Posted by: Comanche Voter at March 23, 2015 05:49 PM (wdHk6)
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