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Ted Cruz....You'll Never Believe This But I'm Running For President
Not exactly a shock given all the signals over the last two years or so but now it's official.
I'm running for President and I hope to earn your support! pic.twitter.com/0UTqaIoytP
— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) March 23, 2015He'll be doing a more traditional announcement speech later today at Liberty University. I like Cruz on shrinking government, kind of less thrilled on his hawkish foreign policy but interested to see how that plays out but not being a social-con it's hard to see getting too excited about him. But let's be honest, the odds of him winning the nomination are pretty low and he'd probably be a disaster in the general (though not much worse than Jeb will be). I'm looking forward to liberals suddenly discovering freshmen Senators aren't experienced enough to be President and conservatives discovering they are. Oh and Birthers...yes, he's eligible to be President.
Comments
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Yeah, kind of the topic this am.
Posted by: HH at March 23, 2015 09:26 AM (Ce4DF)
2
Cruz/Walker?
Posted by: EC at March 23, 2015 09:27 AM (GQ8sn)
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all in......
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 09:27 AM (u8GsB)
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I disagree whole-heartedly. I am no social con but I like him better than any other potential candidate.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 23, 2015 09:28 AM (wlDny)
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Like Cruz, but waiting for the inevitable evolution on amnesty.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 23, 2015 09:28 AM (zauWW)
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:29 AM (zOTsN)
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and he'd probably be a disaster in the general
Yeah well, that needs more argument rather than assertion.
Yeah well, that needs more argument rather than assertion.
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 23, 2015 09:29 AM (evdj2)
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Nobody comes close to him in terms of intelligence and debate skills. I am looking forward to him making Jeb cry onstage.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2015 09:29 AM (2ePOO)
Posted by: @votermom at March 23, 2015 09:29 AM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 23, 2015 09:30 AM (7ObY1)
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In a philosophical sense, I want Cruz v Warren.
Let us have the final argument about what this country should be, once and for all.
In a philosophical sense, I want Cruz v Warren.
Let us have the final argument about what this country should be, once and for all.
Posted by: LibertarianJim at March 23, 2015 09:30 AM (CMbMd)
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"Cruz/Walker?"
No....
Hillary w/walker
Can't wait to see that as a thread title here one day.
With a painting.
No....
Hillary w/walker
Can't wait to see that as a thread title here one day.
With a painting.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 09:30 AM (F1jFR)
13
I'll make the popcorn and watch.
At this point, Math is going to win, it's just a matter of when not if. We could have the perfect candidate and win and still the Math could hit. And hit hard.
Any one but Bush is a plus.
At this point, Math is going to win, it's just a matter of when not if. We could have the perfect candidate and win and still the Math could hit. And hit hard.
Any one but Bush is a plus.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 09:30 AM (l1zOH)
14
Most cons who are wringing their hands today over the prospect of Cruz prefer Rand.
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:30 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 23, 2015 09:30 AM (Zu3d9)
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Yeah, why would we want the guy with the most SCOTUS appearances of any legislator and who wrote the amicus brief for Heller picking SCOTUS justices? He's an icky war-mongering so-con. Rand would be so much better.
/s
Srsly, if Ted Cruz strikes you as mostly about being a so-con, you have issues.
/s
Srsly, if Ted Cruz strikes you as mostly about being a so-con, you have issues.
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at March 23, 2015 09:31 AM (9BRsg)
17
In fairness, at least this isn't a JeffButthead post.
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 23, 2015 09:31 AM (evdj2)
18
oy Drewm.
not much worse than Jeb?
anyway i think He can articulate a message much better than most i've seen in the last 8 years i've actually been paying attention.
not much worse than Jeb?
anyway i think He can articulate a message much better than most i've seen in the last 8 years i've actually been paying attention.
Posted by: comrade willow at March 23, 2015 09:31 AM (nqBYe)
19
Anyone know if his speech will be carried live?
Posted by: olddog in mo at March 23, 2015 09:31 AM (2vRRd)
20
Wonder how Obama is going to feel about this, once he reads about it in the paper?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 09:31 AM (F1jFR)
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11
In a philosophical sense, I want Cruz v Warren.
Let us have the final argument about what this country should be, once and for all.
Free Shit will always win, I'm afraid.
In a philosophical sense, I want Cruz v Warren.
Let us have the final argument about what this country should be, once and for all.
Free Shit will always win, I'm afraid.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 23, 2015 09:32 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at March 23, 2015 09:32 AM (P330y)
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If only Rand were a conservative and had any accomplishments advancing conservatism.
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at March 23, 2015 09:32 AM (9BRsg)
24
I am a low information, independent, undecided observer.
There is still plenty of time before November '16 before I have to make a decision.
There is still plenty of time before November '16 before I have to make a decision.
Posted by: JohnsTH36 at March 23, 2015 09:32 AM (7vEcP)
25
Everybody is a war monger except Rand Paul, am I right?
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:32 AM (zOTsN)
26
If ever there was a time for someone "hawkish", it's now. The doves have done immeasurable damage in Europe and the Middle East. Hawks are always watching, anticipating threats and trying to counter them before they grow, doves tuck their heads under their wings and hope they get picked off last.
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 23, 2015 09:32 AM (2cS/G)
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Not surprised at all, but I'm glad he's thrown his hat into the ring. If nothing else, "CRUZ CONTROL 2016" will make a cool bumper sticker!
Posted by: Insomniac at March 23, 2015 09:32 AM (2Ojst)
28
We'll See...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 23, 2015 09:32 AM (DT3rQ)
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20 Wonder how Obama is going to feel about this, once he reads about it in the paper?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 09:31 AM
Well if he reads US of A fishwraps, he certainly won't read about Yemen.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 09:31 AM
Well if he reads US of A fishwraps, he certainly won't read about Yemen.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 09:32 AM (l1zOH)
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DrewM. trolling us.
Posted by: SE Pa Moron at March 23, 2015 09:33 AM (xQX/f)
31
ThunderB, Why i don't have Great animosity towards Rand , I do find every now and then He resembles His father.
so i would have a horrible day if HE recieved the nomination.
just don't know if i could.
so i would have a horrible day if HE recieved the nomination.
just don't know if i could.
Posted by: comrade willow at March 23, 2015 09:33 AM (nqBYe)
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23 If only Rand were a conservative and had any accomplishments advancing conservatism.
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at March 23, 2015 09:32 AM (9BRsg
Right to work legislation, is about it. Isn't it?
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at March 23, 2015 09:32 AM (9BRsg
Right to work legislation, is about it. Isn't it?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 09:34 AM (l1zOH)
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The only draw-back I see to him running is I hate to lose him in the Senate. We have too many RINOs there and not enough conservatives there. But maybe he will get Ladyboy to be his VP and we can relegate him to the warm spit job.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 23, 2015 09:34 AM (wlDny)
34
I like Cruz a lot. His face needs punching. That's all
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 23, 2015 09:34 AM (0FSuD)
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23
If only Rand were a conservative and had any accomplishments advancing conservatism.
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at March 23, 2015 09:32 AM (9BRsg)
you forgot...if only rand weren't ron's son......
If only Rand were a conservative and had any accomplishments advancing conservatism.
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at March 23, 2015 09:32 AM (9BRsg)
you forgot...if only rand weren't ron's son......
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 09:34 AM (u8GsB)
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Why is this so-con shit coming back out?
The last two pres candidates weren't "so-cons". They also were shitty "real" cons, and the MFM lied about them.
The last two pres candidates weren't "so-cons". They also were shitty "real" cons, and the MFM lied about them.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 23, 2015 09:34 AM (Spluw)
37
I am kind of done with the Paul's. Ultimately you can't get a silver dime between Rand and Ron on the issues.
It's bothers Rove, which means he is electable
It's bothers Rove, which means he is electable
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:34 AM (zOTsN)
38
Lindsey as VP with President Cruz, Shirley you jest.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 09:34 AM (l1zOH)
39
The lefties loathe him, but so far the only reasons they can articulate for that are that he was born in Canada and he goes by his middle name.
Some of them also say he's dumb. If they really think a guy with such a brilliant resume is dumb, it HAS to be racism. I'm playing that race card every chance I get.
Some of them also say he's dumb. If they really think a guy with such a brilliant resume is dumb, it HAS to be racism. I'm playing that race card every chance I get.
Posted by: stace at March 23, 2015 09:35 AM (Wj6hd)
40
i like most of Drew's posts , this one doesn't do it for me.
Posted by: comrade willow at March 23, 2015 09:35 AM (nqBYe)
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I'm looking forward to liberals suddenly discovering freshmen Senators aren't experienced enough to be President
That should be a fun discussion. The Bow-Tied Bumkissers* at the Boston Globe were begging Chief Spreading Bull to run this weekend.
*official trademark of the Howie Carr Show
That should be a fun discussion. The Bow-Tied Bumkissers* at the Boston Globe were begging Chief Spreading Bull to run this weekend.
*official trademark of the Howie Carr Show
Posted by: RedMindBlueState From Behind Al Sharpton's Megaphone at March 23, 2015 09:35 AM (h4vJk)
42
"Well if he reads US of A fishwraps, he certainly won't read about Yemen."
Something going on in Yemen, you say?
*Walks away, whistling a naughty ditty*
Something going on in Yemen, you say?
*Walks away, whistling a naughty ditty*
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 09:35 AM (F1jFR)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 23, 2015 09:35 AM (zF6Iw)
44
I disagree whole-heartedly. I am no social con but I like him better than any other potential candidate.
--
I'm with Vic.
--
I'm with Vic.
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 23, 2015 09:35 AM (i8GWg)
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Well if he reads US of A fishwraps, he certainly won't read about Yemen.
You mean Yemen wasn't a foreign policy success?
You mean Yemen wasn't a foreign policy success?
Posted by: wrg500 at March 23, 2015 09:35 AM (S+el1)
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:36 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: comrade willow at March 23, 2015 09:36 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 23, 2015 09:36 AM (7ObY1)
49
rove is on fox singing cruz's praises.....i hate rove
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 09:36 AM (u8GsB)
50
Off, protesting sock!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 23, 2015 09:36 AM (h4vJk)
51
As for the hawk bit, Let's see if the "hawk" Prez Cruz gets us into more/less/the same number of conflicts as the dumbass dove obama, Nobel peace prize laureate that he is.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 23, 2015 09:37 AM (Spluw)
52
Cruz vs. Fauxcahontos: The Stand
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 23, 2015 09:37 AM (i8GWg)
53
rove is on fox singing cruz's praises.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 09:36 AM (u8GsB)
wow, ugh, now that makes me pause.
*becomes paranoid*
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 09:36 AM (u8GsB)
wow, ugh, now that makes me pause.
*becomes paranoid*
Posted by: comrade willow at March 23, 2015 09:37 AM (nqBYe)
54
I think he is too smart and too good a speaker to get trapped in stupid so con traps
If that's your major complaint, you are grasping
If that's your major complaint, you are grasping
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:38 AM (zOTsN)
55
Hawkish Foreign Policy? Please!
What are you a member of the isolationist segment of the Republican party of the 60/70s, or a paulian Republican?
What are you a member of the isolationist segment of the Republican party of the 60/70s, or a paulian Republican?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 23, 2015 09:38 AM (rDqRv)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 23, 2015 09:38 AM (7ObY1)
57
Gotta love this approach right out of the park!
Ted Cruz para Presidente
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB3smCq7Mjo
Ted Cruz para Presidente
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB3smCq7Mjo
Posted by: spypeach at March 23, 2015 09:38 AM (/vbEv)
58
But let's be honest, the odds of him winning the nomination are pretty low and he'd probably be a disaster in the general (though not much worse than Jeb will be).
Still trying to determine how a brilliant orator, who refuses to let his opponents determine the playing field, would be a disaster. Please enlighten me.
Still trying to determine how a brilliant orator, who refuses to let his opponents determine the playing field, would be a disaster. Please enlighten me.
Posted by: physics geek at March 23, 2015 09:38 AM (MT22W)
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46 Rove and fox are shitting on him
They tell you who they fear
Yep, I cut way back on Fox watching when they shit all over Perry in 2012.
They tell you who they fear
Yep, I cut way back on Fox watching when they shit all over Perry in 2012.
Posted by: stace at March 23, 2015 09:38 AM (Wj6hd)
60
Cruz's role in the primaries is to push everybody else to the right. Well, that SHOULD be his role, anyway.
Posted by: joncelli at March 23, 2015 09:38 AM (RD7QR)
61
Cruz vs. Fauxcahontos: The Stand Bloodbath
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 23, 2015 09:37 AM
FIFY
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 23, 2015 09:37 AM
FIFY
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 23, 2015 09:38 AM (h4vJk)
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Some of them also say he's dumb. If they really think a guy with such a brilliant resume is dumb, it HAS to be racism. I'm playing that race card every chance I get.
Posted by: stace at March 23, 2015 09:35 AM (Wj6hd)
Let's just settle the argument and compare he's transcripts to our current brilliant thinker in the White House shall we?
Posted by: stace at March 23, 2015 09:35 AM (Wj6hd)
Let's just settle the argument and compare he's transcripts to our current brilliant thinker in the White House shall we?
Posted by: wrg500 at March 23, 2015 09:39 AM (S+el1)
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No. Rove was damning with faint praise, that's different. Was concerned about his likability.
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:39 AM (zOTsN)
64
Not a big fan of Senators as presidents.
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at March 23, 2015 09:39 AM (SCcgT)
65
Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 09:39 AM (kff5f)
66
"I like Cruz on shrinking government, kind of less thrilled on his hawkish foreign policy"
But 'hawkish' these days means willing to defend US interests instead of trying your hardest to hurt our allies and placate our enemies.
But 'hawkish' these days means willing to defend US interests instead of trying your hardest to hurt our allies and placate our enemies.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at March 23, 2015 09:40 AM (wT9UL)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 09:40 AM (kff5f)
68
"At this point, Math is going to win, it's just a matter of when not if.
We could have the perfect candidate and win and still the Math could
hit. And hit hard."
Unfortunately, there is decent chance a Republican will be president when Math wins. And America's LIV's will then blame Republicans fro Math winning. (Note: they will still blame Republicans for Math winning if a Dem is president but is will take a liitle more MSM explaining for them to grasp why)
We could have the perfect candidate and win and still the Math could
hit. And hit hard."
Unfortunately, there is decent chance a Republican will be president when Math wins. And America's LIV's will then blame Republicans fro Math winning. (Note: they will still blame Republicans for Math winning if a Dem is president but is will take a liitle more MSM explaining for them to grasp why)
Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at March 23, 2015 09:40 AM (1BQGO)
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Cruz vs. Fauxcahontos
Who will first use the headline "Warren for President: Road to Victory or Trail of Tears?"
Who will first use the headline "Warren for President: Road to Victory or Trail of Tears?"
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 23, 2015 09:40 AM (DT3rQ)
70
It would be awesome if the Paul fans could hold their fire for once
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:41 AM (zOTsN)
71
well if he gets the nom it'll be interesting to watch for when he does the inevitable pivot towards the mythical center
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 23, 2015 09:41 AM (Cq0oW)
72
Let's get the opposition research out of the way early on.
Obama Cruz was absent for over 300 Senatorial votes
Posted by: Constipated Mathematician at March 23, 2015 09:41 AM (F1jFR)
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Gotta love this approach right out of the park!
Ted Cruz para Presidente
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB3smCq7Mjo
Posted by: spypeach at March 23, 2015 09:38 AM (/vbEv)
I hate this crap. Maybe he can be the one to eliminate the need for such BS. Speak English or GTFH.
Ted Cruz para Presidente
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB3smCq7Mjo
Posted by: spypeach at March 23, 2015 09:38 AM (/vbEv)
I hate this crap. Maybe he can be the one to eliminate the need for such BS. Speak English or GTFH.
Posted by: Golfman - We Have No Hill at March 23, 2015 09:41 AM (iVjJr)
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68 "At this point, Math is going to win, it's just a matter of when not if.
We could have the perfect candidate and win and still the Math could
hit. And hit hard."
Unfortunately, there is decent chance a Republican will be president when Math wins. And America's LIV's will then blame Republicans fro Math winning. (Note: they will still blame Republicans for Math winning if a Dem is president but is will take a liitle more MSM explaining for them to grasp why)
Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at March 23, 2015 09:40 AM (1BQGO)
And when you say "math" you mean "OMG the economy has gone to shit WTF OMG," correct?
We could have the perfect candidate and win and still the Math could
hit. And hit hard."
Unfortunately, there is decent chance a Republican will be president when Math wins. And America's LIV's will then blame Republicans fro Math winning. (Note: they will still blame Republicans for Math winning if a Dem is president but is will take a liitle more MSM explaining for them to grasp why)
Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at March 23, 2015 09:40 AM (1BQGO)
And when you say "math" you mean "OMG the economy has gone to shit WTF OMG," correct?
Posted by: joncelli at March 23, 2015 09:41 AM (RD7QR)
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70 It would be awesome if the Paul fans could hold their fire for once
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:41 AM (zOTsN)
It's the chemtrails. They lower inhibitions.
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:41 AM (zOTsN)
It's the chemtrails. They lower inhibitions.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 23, 2015 09:41 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: comrade willow at March 23, 2015 09:42 AM (nqBYe)
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Hawkish foreign policy? How has the dovish policy worked out? If the turds of this world fear us, we are doing something right, which proves the current policy is crap.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2015 09:42 AM (2ePOO)
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72 Let's get the opposition research out of the way early on.
Cruz once went 25 MPH in a school zone.
And I'm pretty sure he tore the tag off a mattress.
Cruz once went 25 MPH in a school zone.
And I'm pretty sure he tore the tag off a mattress.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 23, 2015 09:42 AM (7ObY1)
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Obama Cruz refuses to release his College transcripts. What is he hiding?
Posted by: Constipated Mathematician at March 23, 2015 09:43 AM (F1jFR)
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Paul fans do a better job criticizing conservatives than anyone else
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:43 AM (zOTsN)
81
Hawkish foreign policy? How has the dovish policy worked out? If the turds of this world fear us, we are doing something right, which proves the current policy is crap.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2015 09:42 AM (2ePOO)
Amen
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2015 09:42 AM (2ePOO)
Amen
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 23, 2015 09:43 AM (rDqRv)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 23, 2015 09:44 AM (7ObY1)
83
Let's get the Rove/Jeb/MSM/GOPe narrative out of the way:
He's not:
Eligible
Ready
Qualified
Electable
A moderate
He's:
Stupid
A right wing extremist
Too conservative
xoxoxox..KR
He's not:
Eligible
Ready
Qualified
Electable
A moderate
He's:
Stupid
A right wing extremist
Too conservative
xoxoxox..KR
Posted by: Willy at March 23, 2015 09:44 AM (ersJc)
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That's why I could never be in politics; I'm just not very likable. Hell, within #twoweeks I'd be throwing punches and that would frighten too many people.
The way I see it, at some point you have to drive the money changers out of the temple, and it's gonna take a cat 'o nine tails to do it. One that is applied with youthful vim and vigor and no apologies.
The way I see it, at some point you have to drive the money changers out of the temple, and it's gonna take a cat 'o nine tails to do it. One that is applied with youthful vim and vigor and no apologies.
Posted by: JohnsTH36 at March 23, 2015 09:44 AM (7vEcP)
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But let's be honest, the odds of him winning the nomination are pretty
low and he'd probably be a disaster in the general (though not much
worse than Jeb will be).
***
Yeah, how could anyone with charisma, intelligence, and the policy positions of Ronald Reagan ever win the presidency?
Baring some weird scandal in his background if he wins the primary he'd beat Hillary or Chief Spreading Bull in a rout...
low and he'd probably be a disaster in the general (though not much
worse than Jeb will be).
***
Yeah, how could anyone with charisma, intelligence, and the policy positions of Ronald Reagan ever win the presidency?
Baring some weird scandal in his background if he wins the primary he'd beat Hillary or Chief Spreading Bull in a rout...
Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2015 09:44 AM (78TbK)
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Geraghty says this today:
"The big question will be whether the nascent campaigns of Cruz' rivals drop their opposition research today or later in the week."
This sounds more definitive than mere speculation. Good, get it out. Cruz will need to deal with whatever it might be, and make it "old news" (a la the Clinton way).
"The big question will be whether the nascent campaigns of Cruz' rivals drop their opposition research today or later in the week."
This sounds more definitive than mere speculation. Good, get it out. Cruz will need to deal with whatever it might be, and make it "old news" (a la the Clinton way).
Posted by: MTF, Vote for someone the GOP insiders hate! at March 23, 2015 09:44 AM (FCsIb)
87
There is absolutely zero proof Cruz would be a disaster in the general.
Like I said earlier this morning, we've been running mushy middle candidates for years and losing. Let's give the voters something new and see what happens. I bet it would bring a lot of stay at homes out to vote.
Like I said earlier this morning, we've been running mushy middle candidates for years and losing. Let's give the voters something new and see what happens. I bet it would bring a lot of stay at homes out to vote.
Posted by: DangerGirl, footloose and Partyfree at March 23, 2015 09:44 AM (Oqufv)
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Stated for the record:
I like Ted Cruz. I think he makes a wonderful Senator in the minority (Conservative) party. I like that he fights. I like that he's not afraid of the MFM (delenda est).
Also stated for the record: Just as I am eating crow about "Another Harvard Lawyer" being a Senator, I am prepared to eat crow over this.
That said: I do not want Ted Cruz as president. Not yet. A less-than-one-term Senator simply does not have enough of an official record for me to be comfortable that I know how he would be as President. While he was a fantastic Solicitor General here in TX (arguing and winning cases before SCOTUS), that is not a legislative/political history, and those positions do not *necessarily* reflect his own.
I like Ted Cruz. I think he makes a wonderful Senator in the minority (Conservative) party. I like that he fights. I like that he's not afraid of the MFM (delenda est).
Also stated for the record: Just as I am eating crow about "Another Harvard Lawyer" being a Senator, I am prepared to eat crow over this.
That said: I do not want Ted Cruz as president. Not yet. A less-than-one-term Senator simply does not have enough of an official record for me to be comfortable that I know how he would be as President. While he was a fantastic Solicitor General here in TX (arguing and winning cases before SCOTUS), that is not a legislative/political history, and those positions do not *necessarily* reflect his own.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 09:44 AM (kff5f)
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{s] Obama Cruz's wife once held a high paying job created just for her, which was eliminated after she left.
Posted by: Constipated Mathematician at March 23, 2015 09:45 AM (F1jFR)
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Can he win Ohio, Virginia, Florida and North Carolina. If he can't forget it. A Republican Candidate already starts in the hole with CA, NY, PA, NJ and all of New England.
Posted by: wrg500 at March 23, 2015 09:45 AM (S+el1)
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I hate this crap. Maybe he can be the one to eliminate the need for such BS. Speak English or GTFH.
Posted by: Golfman - We Have No Hill at March 23, 2015 09:41 AM (iVjJr)
I think it's good that he's doing it, the dems think they have cornered the market on the Latino vote, and I like that he's not afraid to go after that. Also, Jeb's not the only one who can speak Spanish.
Posted by: Golfman - We Have No Hill at March 23, 2015 09:41 AM (iVjJr)
I think it's good that he's doing it, the dems think they have cornered the market on the Latino vote, and I like that he's not afraid to go after that. Also, Jeb's not the only one who can speak Spanish.
Posted by: spypeach at March 23, 2015 09:45 AM (/vbEv)
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From even before the first pre-game warmup pitches DrewM. has already called the game.
Posted by: SE Pa Moron at March 23, 2015 09:45 AM (xQX/f)
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Cruz seems to know how to get attention, so he *may* be able to get through the democrat media machine. At least he must know what he's up against and that he isn't in a fair fight.
I'm not sure he meets the strict definition of "natural born" citizen, but f'it, the people have blown up the Constitution already. I support him. He's the best we've got.
Fireman Ted 2016
I'm not sure he meets the strict definition of "natural born" citizen, but f'it, the people have blown up the Constitution already. I support him. He's the best we've got.
Fireman Ted 2016
Posted by: despair at March 23, 2015 09:45 AM (J6suc)
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And when you say "math" you mean "OMG the economy has gone to shit WTF OMG," correct?
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Unless you work for the government hasn't that pretty much already happened?
We have the lowest labor participation rate since the Great Depression and have had it since President Precedent was elected...
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Unless you work for the government hasn't that pretty much already happened?
We have the lowest labor participation rate since the Great Depression and have had it since President Precedent was elected...
Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2015 09:46 AM (78TbK)
Posted by: comrade willow at March 23, 2015 09:46 AM (nqBYe)
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Let's get the opposition research out of the way early on.
Cruz took 12 items into a "10 items of less" lane.
He returned videotapes without rewinding.
He loads the toilet paper the wrong way.
He makes Chuck Norris jokes about the Stig.
When he orders PBR, it isn't ironic. (Though he probably just wants the bottle for the nex bar fight.)
Cruz took 12 items into a "10 items of less" lane.
He returned videotapes without rewinding.
He loads the toilet paper the wrong way.
He makes Chuck Norris jokes about the Stig.
When he orders PBR, it isn't ironic. (Though he probably just wants the bottle for the nex bar fight.)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 23, 2015 09:46 AM (DT3rQ)
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Posted by: spypeach at March 23, 2015 09:45 AM (/vbEv)
You are correct but I don't have to like it.
You are correct but I don't have to like it.
Posted by: Golfman - We Have No Hill at March 23, 2015 09:46 AM (iVjJr)
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When he orders PBR, it isn't ironic. (Though he probably just wants the bottle for the nex bar fight.)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 23, 2015 09:46 AM (DT3rQ)
Bottle?
Cans!!!
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 23, 2015 09:46 AM (DT3rQ)
Bottle?
Cans!!!
Posted by: EC at March 23, 2015 09:47 AM (GQ8sn)
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Obama Cruz sat in church for twenty years, and never heard a word his Pastor said.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 09:47 AM (F1jFR)
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His relatively short public career is a plus in my book. Lifelong politicians who have spent decades horse-trading and dinner-partying with the Democrats don't instill any faith in me.
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 23, 2015 09:47 AM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2015 09:48 AM (v0/PR)
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one big one against Bush;
In 2004, Bush supported an unsuccessful bill to allow illegal immigrants to be issued drivers licenses by the state.
why do they do this with people that broke the law in the first place?
In 2004, Bush supported an unsuccessful bill to allow illegal immigrants to be issued drivers licenses by the state.
why do they do this with people that broke the law in the first place?
Posted by: comrade willow at March 23, 2015 09:48 AM (nqBYe)
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75
70 It would be awesome if the Paul fans could hold their fire for once
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:41 AM (zOTsN)
It's the chemtrails. They lower inhibitions.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 23, 2015 09:41 AM (2Ojst)
we need to spray them with more vinegar.....or give them MOAR WEED!!!!
70 It would be awesome if the Paul fans could hold their fire for once
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:41 AM (zOTsN)
It's the chemtrails. They lower inhibitions.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 23, 2015 09:41 AM (2Ojst)
we need to spray them with more vinegar.....or give them MOAR WEED!!!!
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 09:49 AM (u8GsB)
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{s] Obama Cruz looks at children as a curse.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 09:49 AM (F1jFR)
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Some one needs to speak Spanish, and conservative. Why have your message changed through an interpreter?
Stop looking for a moderate to appeal in swing states. There is no middle. It's a myth. The landscape has polarized. Pick a squish and lose. Badly
Stop looking for a moderate to appeal in swing states. There is no middle. It's a myth. The landscape has polarized. Pick a squish and lose. Badly
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:49 AM (zOTsN)
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Way to be a buzzkill, Drew.
Posted by: Adrienne at March 23, 2015 09:49 AM (lVcuh)
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'But let's be honest, the odds of him winning the nomination are pretty
low and he'd probably be a disaster in the general (though not much
worse than Jeb will be)."
I am sure that the media savvy operatives for the Democrat and GOP parties will make sure we make the right decision Drew. No need to worry about that.
Do you ever worry that in your industry's and peers' drive to be relevant and true fortune tellers you trample down any slight growth and change for the better?
That by acting as a gatekeeper or herald you drown out or stifle candidates that are actually better for the country, even if they do not re-enforce the position you hold in media and government?
low and he'd probably be a disaster in the general (though not much
worse than Jeb will be)."
I am sure that the media savvy operatives for the Democrat and GOP parties will make sure we make the right decision Drew. No need to worry about that.
Do you ever worry that in your industry's and peers' drive to be relevant and true fortune tellers you trample down any slight growth and change for the better?
That by acting as a gatekeeper or herald you drown out or stifle candidates that are actually better for the country, even if they do not re-enforce the position you hold in media and government?
Posted by: Kindltot at March 23, 2015 09:49 AM (t//F+)
Posted by: Ken at March 23, 2015 09:49 AM (LXJ1e)
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A less-than-one-term Senator simply does not have enough of an official
record for me to be comfortable that I know how he would be as
President.
***
Unfortunately the R party is basically just the DIABLO party so it isn't like we have a ton of choices.
Walker is likely in favor of amnesty and Paul is all over the place on some issues.
Baring one of the less well known newish governors making a serious bid, Cruz is the only full conservative in the race right now.
And his willingness to really fight sets him apart from almost every other conservative in government...
record for me to be comfortable that I know how he would be as
President.
***
Unfortunately the R party is basically just the DIABLO party so it isn't like we have a ton of choices.
Walker is likely in favor of amnesty and Paul is all over the place on some issues.
Baring one of the less well known newish governors making a serious bid, Cruz is the only full conservative in the race right now.
And his willingness to really fight sets him apart from almost every other conservative in government...
Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2015 09:49 AM (78TbK)
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Can he win Ohio, Virginia, Florida and North Carolina. If he can't forget it. A Republican Candidate already starts in the hole with CA, NY, PA, NJ and all of New England.
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Given that the number one issue for Americans is mistrust of a too large federal government, I think he could take those states and more. What we need is a candidate who can make the case (which he can, eloquently) and who will do what he says (so far, so good).
Can he win Ohio, Virginia, Florida and North Carolina. If he can't forget it. A Republican Candidate already starts in the hole with CA, NY, PA, NJ and all of New England.
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Given that the number one issue for Americans is mistrust of a too large federal government, I think he could take those states and more. What we need is a candidate who can make the case (which he can, eloquently) and who will do what he says (so far, so good).
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2015 09:49 AM (2ePOO)
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So far Cruz and Walker are the only two candidates who could carry their home state. Any other candidate who has that issue -- don't bore me with. That's my line in the sand.
Posted by: SE Pa Moron at March 23, 2015 09:50 AM (xQX/f)
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why do they do this with people that broke the law in the first place?
Posted by: comrade willow at March 23, 2015 09:48 AM (nqBYe)
So they can get insurance and not break more laws. Where's Nip? I'm sure Thom has explained it to him.
Posted by: comrade willow at March 23, 2015 09:48 AM (nqBYe)
So they can get insurance and not break more laws. Where's Nip? I'm sure Thom has explained it to him.
Posted by: Golfman - We Have No Hill at March 23, 2015 09:50 AM (iVjJr)
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And we can troll Lefties who denounce him - they're raaaacists if they don't agree with him!
Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2015 09:50 AM (V+8gv)
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Unless you work for the government hasn't that pretty much already happened?
Ah. But people don't *know* that, because the MFM won't tell them.
One of the down-sides of the United States being about the most generous nation (in terms of its people's tendencies) on earth is that people tend to think in terms of "my neighbor."
If "my neighbor" is doing well, then the fact I can't find a job must reflect on me, and not the overall economy. If "my neighbor" is not doing well, then me having a job is obviously just luck, and "there but for the Grace of God go I."
And since we're simultaneously a more connected (so I know better what's going on in New York than my parents did 20 years ago), and more disconnected (I may not even know my neighbors' names) society, it's easier for the MFM to swap up for down, good for bad, and black for white.
As soon as a Republican President is in office, the MFM will suddenly discover the labor participation rate.
Ah. But people don't *know* that, because the MFM won't tell them.
One of the down-sides of the United States being about the most generous nation (in terms of its people's tendencies) on earth is that people tend to think in terms of "my neighbor."
If "my neighbor" is doing well, then the fact I can't find a job must reflect on me, and not the overall economy. If "my neighbor" is not doing well, then me having a job is obviously just luck, and "there but for the Grace of God go I."
And since we're simultaneously a more connected (so I know better what's going on in New York than my parents did 20 years ago), and more disconnected (I may not even know my neighbors' names) society, it's easier for the MFM to swap up for down, good for bad, and black for white.
As soon as a Republican President is in office, the MFM will suddenly discover the labor participation rate.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 09:50 AM (kff5f)
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102 ... "why do they do this with people that broke the law in the first place?"
Reliable Dem voters for leftists, and cheap, uncomplaining labor for the CoC types allegedly on our side.
Reliable Dem voters for leftists, and cheap, uncomplaining labor for the CoC types allegedly on our side.
Posted by: ToursLepantoVienna at March 23, 2015 09:51 AM (F9l4e)
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I'm shocked, shocked!, that Drew doesn't like a Republican and thinks he'll be a disaster.
Drew, just phone it in. The repetition is ...yawn.
Drew, just phone it in. The repetition is ...yawn.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at March 23, 2015 09:51 AM (dI7hA)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 23, 2015 09:51 AM (SpnVI)
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GOP general election disasters:
Bush the elder, once he decided to feel his oats and give the middle finger to the policies that made Reagan and outstanding president.
Bob Dole
John McCain
Mitt Romney
And Bush the younger, who only won because the Democrats were stupid enough to nominate Gore and Kerry.
So we'll be going on 24 years of what could have been uninterrupted Democrat rule if the Dems hadn't been dumb enough to run the dullards they did against W. The GOP has developed a great track record of running "electable" candidates who were unable and/or unwilling to clearly differentiate themselves from their Democrat alternatives. Tell me again why Cruz will be a disaster. Because your reality by assertion comment just isn't doing it for me.
Bush the elder, once he decided to feel his oats and give the middle finger to the policies that made Reagan and outstanding president.
Bob Dole
John McCain
Mitt Romney
And Bush the younger, who only won because the Democrats were stupid enough to nominate Gore and Kerry.
So we'll be going on 24 years of what could have been uninterrupted Democrat rule if the Dems hadn't been dumb enough to run the dullards they did against W. The GOP has developed a great track record of running "electable" candidates who were unable and/or unwilling to clearly differentiate themselves from their Democrat alternatives. Tell me again why Cruz will be a disaster. Because your reality by assertion comment just isn't doing it for me.
Posted by: physics geek at March 23, 2015 09:52 AM (MT22W)
Posted by: despair at March 23, 2015 09:52 AM (J6suc)
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Stop looking for a moderate to appeal in swing states. There is no
middle. It's a myth. The landscape has polarized. Pick a squish and
lose. Badly
***
Yep. The people who don't have an ideology don't vote on ideology...that's why we call them LIVs.
Yes you can get LIVs to vote based on State Media created perception, but the State Media will color any R candidate as the second coming of Attila the Hun. The question is who will push back against that, and give Joe Average a cogent reason to vote against the government party?
middle. It's a myth. The landscape has polarized. Pick a squish and
lose. Badly
***
Yep. The people who don't have an ideology don't vote on ideology...that's why we call them LIVs.
Yes you can get LIVs to vote based on State Media created perception, but the State Media will color any R candidate as the second coming of Attila the Hun. The question is who will push back against that, and give Joe Average a cogent reason to vote against the government party?
Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2015 09:52 AM (78TbK)
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Some one needs to speak Spanish...
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:49 AM (zOTsN)
Do you understand how f*cked up that is? I want someone that will get up there and say I ain't speaking Spanish - Define assimilation.
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:49 AM (zOTsN)
Do you understand how f*cked up that is? I want someone that will get up there and say I ain't speaking Spanish - Define assimilation.
Posted by: Golfman - We Have No Hill at March 23, 2015 09:52 AM (iVjJr)
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Oh and Birthers...yes, he's eligible to be President.
After the Kenyan pretender, a Slestak is eligible.
After the Kenyan pretender, a Slestak is eligible.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2015 09:53 AM (3j0rX)
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A General who will fight with just a bolt action rifle is more valuable then a General who will surrender while armed with automatic weapons.
You can't win in the fight if you have no fight in you.
You can't win in the fight if you have no fight in you.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 09:53 AM (F1jFR)
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Cruz is the most to the right out there. More than Rand, who is open borders and is as electable as my dog nationally. Unless he goes hard for the free weed vote
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:53 AM (zOTsN)
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>>>>Unfortunately, there is decent chance a Republican will be president when Math wins.
This.
There may be possibly two more Presidential election cycles before $hit really starts to happen and the "free stuff" starts to actually take serious cuts.
Everyone in DC knows this and they also know there isn't a single thing anyone can do about it beforehand in any attempt to stop it or slow it down. We are looking at Greek levels of debt and taxes before 20 years passes.
Let any politician seriously talk about Social Security reform or even attempt to slow the growth in Welfare or SNAP payments and they are politically lynched. Look what happened that one day the EBT cards didn't work for 4 hours. Riots all over the place. No politician is going to try to fix anything.
But eventually at the end of the day when interest rates get back to normal ~3%, there simply isn't going to be enough money to deal with everything, I don't care if you tax 100% of every person making over $50K, there simply wont be enough money. And you can only run the $$$ printing presses so much before you cause problems that way.
This.
There may be possibly two more Presidential election cycles before $hit really starts to happen and the "free stuff" starts to actually take serious cuts.
Everyone in DC knows this and they also know there isn't a single thing anyone can do about it beforehand in any attempt to stop it or slow it down. We are looking at Greek levels of debt and taxes before 20 years passes.
Let any politician seriously talk about Social Security reform or even attempt to slow the growth in Welfare or SNAP payments and they are politically lynched. Look what happened that one day the EBT cards didn't work for 4 hours. Riots all over the place. No politician is going to try to fix anything.
But eventually at the end of the day when interest rates get back to normal ~3%, there simply isn't going to be enough money to deal with everything, I don't care if you tax 100% of every person making over $50K, there simply wont be enough money. And you can only run the $$$ printing presses so much before you cause problems that way.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 23, 2015 09:53 AM (4oSLk)
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Oh wait ---he already has a campaign poster by SABO:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/ sen-ted-cruz-tells-fgs-the-new-ngger-artist-to-keep-fighting-for-liberty/
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/ sen-ted-cruz-tells-fgs-the-new-ngger-artist-to-keep-fighting-for-liberty/
Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2015 09:53 AM (V+8gv)
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I would vote for Cruz this minute. Walker is a maybe. I will never vote for Bush, Paul, or Carson.
When Rand Paul isn't hanging out with his nutjob daddy he's cuddling up with scumbag McConnell. He's the worst of both worlds.
When Rand Paul isn't hanging out with his nutjob daddy he's cuddling up with scumbag McConnell. He's the worst of both worlds.
Posted by: Achilles at March 23, 2015 09:53 AM (TpeIH)
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Everybody is a war monger except Rand Paul, am I right?
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:32 AM (zOTsN)
Everyone was a war monger except for Wilson, too.
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:32 AM (zOTsN)
Everyone was a war monger except for Wilson, too.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 23, 2015 09:53 AM (t//F+)
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So we'll be going on 24 years of what could have been uninterrupted Democrat rule if the Dems hadn't been dumb enough to run the dullards they did against W. The GOP has developed a great track record of running "electable" candidates who were unable and/or unwilling to clearly differentiate themselves from their Democrat alternatives. Tell me again why Cruz will be a disaster. Because your reality by assertion comment just isn't doing it for me.
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This. A bit large for a bumper sticker, though.
So we'll be going on 24 years of what could have been uninterrupted Democrat rule if the Dems hadn't been dumb enough to run the dullards they did against W. The GOP has developed a great track record of running "electable" candidates who were unable and/or unwilling to clearly differentiate themselves from their Democrat alternatives. Tell me again why Cruz will be a disaster. Because your reality by assertion comment just isn't doing it for me.
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This. A bit large for a bumper sticker, though.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2015 09:54 AM (2ePOO)
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Cruz is a walking, talking tribute to assimilation. Good grief
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:54 AM (zOTsN)
131
The GOP has developed a great track record of running "electable" candidates who were unable
***
The State Media will try its damnedest to make the D candidate more likeable/cool/interesting.
To get LIVs to vote against the D candidate then you have to give them a reason to. And it can't be a 47 point plan on your website. It has to be something you can express in 60 seconds (ideally 30) or less.
If you can't do that, you aren't going to win...
***
The State Media will try its damnedest to make the D candidate more likeable/cool/interesting.
To get LIVs to vote against the D candidate then you have to give them a reason to. And it can't be a 47 point plan on your website. It has to be something you can express in 60 seconds (ideally 30) or less.
If you can't do that, you aren't going to win...
Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2015 09:55 AM (78TbK)
132
130
Cruz is a walking, talking tribute to assimilation. Good grief
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:54 AM (zOTsN)
amen
Cruz is a walking, talking tribute to assimilation. Good grief
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 23, 2015 09:54 AM (zOTsN)
amen
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 09:55 AM (u8GsB)
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Cruz has an unbelievably strong record. He took on George Bush and the World Court in that Medelin case. I'm down to a couple of issues and sovereignty is one of them.
That he doesn't have DC experience is a feature.
That he doesn't have DC experience is a feature.
Posted by: DanMan at March 23, 2015 09:55 AM (RusNE)
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Ted Cruz turned me into a newt. It was an upgrade, however.
Posted by: flounder at March 23, 2015 09:55 AM (FHh8u)
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Do you understand how f*cked up that is? I want someone that will get up there and say I ain't speaking Spanish - Define assimilation.
Yes, we do.
Nevertheless it is a necessity.
It's also f*cked up that I give up ~40% of my pay to the US Government. Nevertheless, it is the law.
It is also f*cked up that we can't fight two simultaneous land-wars at once. Nevertheless that is the reality.
If you want *any* of those to change, the last one is going to have to be the language issue. So use it as a wedge. Most Democrats can't speak Spanish either- they *also* need interpreters. So imagine the benefit of having our nominee conversant (if not outright fluent) in the language.
Yes, we do.
Nevertheless it is a necessity.
It's also f*cked up that I give up ~40% of my pay to the US Government. Nevertheless, it is the law.
It is also f*cked up that we can't fight two simultaneous land-wars at once. Nevertheless that is the reality.
If you want *any* of those to change, the last one is going to have to be the language issue. So use it as a wedge. Most Democrats can't speak Spanish either- they *also* need interpreters. So imagine the benefit of having our nominee conversant (if not outright fluent) in the language.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 09:55 AM (kff5f)
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If you truly believe that Obama has put policies in place that will destroy this country....you telling me that the answer is some candidate who won't commit to changing them?
Cruz has brains and guts. That scares some folks, apparently. Oh no...the smart people on TV will make fun of their candidate. Grow a pair for Gods sake!
I'm in.
Cruz has brains and guts. That scares some folks, apparently. Oh no...the smart people on TV will make fun of their candidate. Grow a pair for Gods sake!
I'm in.
Posted by: Sgr at March 23, 2015 09:56 AM (BiF70)
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I'm glad Cruz is making his move early. He does have awesome debate skills. His best bet is to get as much live exposure as possible, so people can really see him in action. Whether he wins the primary or not, having him out there talking about the issues is a big plus for conservatives.
Posted by: Emily at March 23, 2015 09:56 AM (7Rn+/)
138
This. A bit large for a bumper sticker, though.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2015 09:54 AM (2ePOO)
I was thinking more of a sign for Hillary's ass.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2015 09:54 AM (2ePOO)
I was thinking more of a sign for Hillary's ass.
Posted by: physics geek at March 23, 2015 09:56 AM (MT22W)
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130 Agreed. That wasn't a crack at Cruz. That was a crack about who they're pandering to.
If you've been here long enough to legally vote, you should be able to speak the language.
If you've been here long enough to legally vote, you should be able to speak the language.
Posted by: Golfman - We Have No Hill at March 23, 2015 09:56 AM (iVjJr)
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a big reason why governors are better than senators is the personnel as policy aspect.
the number one job that Reagan did and less GOP presidents have done since is RR let go anyone who was opposed to the project or just didn't get it on some level.
the number one job that Reagan did and less GOP presidents have done since is RR let go anyone who was opposed to the project or just didn't get it on some level.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 23, 2015 09:57 AM (Cq0oW)
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Golfman, there might be an argument to be made on amt of immigrants and long waits for green cards and working permits.
but rewarding people of any stripe breaking of law, willfully, without regard for the other countries laws, is just weird.
but rewarding people of any stripe breaking of law, willfully, without regard for the other countries laws, is just weird.
Posted by: comrade willow at March 23, 2015 09:57 AM (nqBYe)
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I like that he makes RINOs like McCain squeal. Good sign that he's not their kind of Republican. Yay for wackobird!!!!
Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2015 09:57 AM (V+8gv)
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WTF is up with an autoplay Cruz for President video everytime I hit the refresh key?
Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2015 09:57 AM (f3Lr8)
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Good News on his eligibility!
Posted by: Walknot at March 23, 2015 09:58 AM (FnHBZ)
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OK. Guess I'll have to answer my own question. A live stream of Cruz' speech will be carried here
http://tinyurl.com/cruz-control-2016
Event begins at 9 a.m. (CDT) Cruz to speak at approximately 9:25 a.m. His speech is scheduled to last about 25 minutes.
http://tinyurl.com/cruz-control-2016
Event begins at 9 a.m. (CDT) Cruz to speak at approximately 9:25 a.m. His speech is scheduled to last about 25 minutes.
Posted by: olddog in mo at March 23, 2015 09:58 AM (2vRRd)
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14
Most cons who are wringing their hands today over the prospect of Cruz prefer Rand."
Anyone wringing their hands over this is not a conservative. Whether Cruz wins or not, it's a precious thing to FINALLY have an articulate real conservative in the GOP primary debates. You now how depressing it is to have squishes like Romney, RINOs like McCain and hucksters like Huckabee be the 'face' of the GOP? It's like making a turtle Senate majority leader! (oh wait)
If you prefer Rand Paul, you are not a conservative.
Cruz stands on all 3 legs of the Reagan conservative coalition, an economic and small govt conservative, foreign policy Reaganite and social conservative.
Rand Paul otoh, stands on one leg, pisses on the social conservatives' leg (weak on crime, drugs, marriage) and is kooky on the foreign policy leg, following in his father's footsteps (who infamously said Putin had the right to invade Crimea and that was hunky dory).
A libertarian Paul in the presidential race main result is to splitsconservatives from the libertarians and delivers the nomination to moderates. Ron Paul did it in 08 and 12 and Rand Paul will help Jeb Bush win in 2016. Just watch.
But in 08 and 12 we had no decent conservative. The closest we got was Gingrich and ... Santorum?
Cruz is more articulate than Gingrich, lacks the personal baggage, and can troll for Spanish votes....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB3smCq7Mjo
That's why I say ...
Keep Calm Cruz On
Most cons who are wringing their hands today over the prospect of Cruz prefer Rand."
Anyone wringing their hands over this is not a conservative. Whether Cruz wins or not, it's a precious thing to FINALLY have an articulate real conservative in the GOP primary debates. You now how depressing it is to have squishes like Romney, RINOs like McCain and hucksters like Huckabee be the 'face' of the GOP? It's like making a turtle Senate majority leader! (oh wait)
If you prefer Rand Paul, you are not a conservative.
Cruz stands on all 3 legs of the Reagan conservative coalition, an economic and small govt conservative, foreign policy Reaganite and social conservative.
Rand Paul otoh, stands on one leg, pisses on the social conservatives' leg (weak on crime, drugs, marriage) and is kooky on the foreign policy leg, following in his father's footsteps (who infamously said Putin had the right to invade Crimea and that was hunky dory).
A libertarian Paul in the presidential race main result is to splitsconservatives from the libertarians and delivers the nomination to moderates. Ron Paul did it in 08 and 12 and Rand Paul will help Jeb Bush win in 2016. Just watch.
But in 08 and 12 we had no decent conservative. The closest we got was Gingrich and ... Santorum?
Cruz is more articulate than Gingrich, lacks the personal baggage, and can troll for Spanish votes....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB3smCq7Mjo
That's why I say ...
Keep Calm Cruz On
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at March 23, 2015 09:59 AM (wT9UL)
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Don't get me wrong I like Cruz a lot. He fights which right now is the number 1 issue I want in a candidate. BUT, can he survive the establishment GOP and can he raise money?
Don't get me wrong I like Cruz a lot. He fights which right now is the number 1 issue I want in a candidate. BUT, can he survive the establishment GOP and can he raise money?
Posted by: wrg500 at March 23, 2015 09:59 AM (S+el1)
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The man has "fight"... unlike the GOP
Posted by: America at March 23, 2015 09:59 AM (LoIJo)
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The GOP-E would rather lose with Jeb than win with Cruz.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 23, 2015 09:59 AM (4YKBD)
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Cruz has brains and guts. That scares some folks, apparently. Oh no...the smart people on TV will make fun of their candidate. Grow a pair for Gods sake! I'm in.
Posted by: Sgr
Imagine him in a debate on one of the hispanic networks. And him the only one not needing a translator or subtitles.
Posted by: Sgr
Imagine him in a debate on one of the hispanic networks. And him the only one not needing a translator or subtitles.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 23, 2015 09:59 AM (Spluw)
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have to get back to chores. have fun guys, try not to throw beer cans at eachother.
Posted by: comrade willow at March 23, 2015 10:00 AM (nqBYe)
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Anyone who can talk to an audience for half an hour without a teleprompter, espousing conservative ideas in a forceful and cogent manner, who takes the fight to the liberals, and who has yet to waffle on a conservative issue is someone I can support. There is only one of those in the mix right now, and it is Cruz.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2015 10:00 AM (2ePOO)
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Rand is open borders. Not conservative.
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:01 AM (zOTsN)
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Drew doesn't like him? Well that must mean he's the best candidate in the field.
Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 23, 2015 10:01 AM (cWLG9)
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>>>A Republican Candidate already starts in the hole with CA, NY, PA, NJ and all of New England.
also start in the hole with no blacks, about 20% Latinos, less than half of white males, and practically no women
also start in the hole with no blacks, about 20% Latinos, less than half of white males, and practically no women
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 23, 2015 10:01 AM (Cq0oW)
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Oh no!! Here we go again on this blog. Fire breathing conservatives between primaries, but then wishy-washy during them. O' brother!!
Posted by: Scoob at March 23, 2015 10:01 AM (BFk4h)
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>>Whether he wins the primary or not, having him out there talking about the issues is a big plus for conservatives.
Yes, because he'll call out other Republican contenders for their RINO stances on various issues. Just imagine him debating milquetoast Jeb re: all of his immigration "love" talk.
Yes, because he'll call out other Republican contenders for their RINO stances on various issues. Just imagine him debating milquetoast Jeb re: all of his immigration "love" talk.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2015 10:01 AM (V+8gv)
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Imagine him in a debate on one of the hispanic networks. And him the only one not needing a translator or subtitles.
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Did I mention I am 1/32nd Aztec?
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Did I mention I am 1/32nd Aztec?
Posted by: Lizzie Warren at March 23, 2015 10:01 AM (78TbK)
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If you've been here long enough to legally vote, you should be able to speak the language.
Posted by: Golfman - We Have No Hill at March 23, 2015 09:56 AM (iVjJr)
Should maybe, but they don't so if you can't communicate this message in a language they understand how will they know?
cualquiera que viene a este país debe aprender a hablar Inglés
Posted by: Golfman - We Have No Hill at March 23, 2015 09:56 AM (iVjJr)
Should maybe, but they don't so if you can't communicate this message in a language they understand how will they know?
cualquiera que viene a este país debe aprender a hablar Inglés
Posted by: spypeach at March 23, 2015 10:01 AM (/vbEv)
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I don't think we're going to get two more Presidential elections.
Obamacare is hurting the economy badly. The Fed is hinting they might have to raise interest rates.
(The Fed should be handcuffed and not allowed to do anything in any direction other than maintain the status quo until this crap gets worked out, one way or the other.)
The Middle East is unstable and could go nuclear at any time, and NKorea could upset the status quo for nearly any reason, especially if China sees benefit in chaos.
But what we don't know is just how willing Obama's people are to push the envelope, nor do we know just how far they might go.
I can't see the US stumbling along another six to ten years without some changes, drastic changes.
Obamacare is hurting the economy badly. The Fed is hinting they might have to raise interest rates.
(The Fed should be handcuffed and not allowed to do anything in any direction other than maintain the status quo until this crap gets worked out, one way or the other.)
The Middle East is unstable and could go nuclear at any time, and NKorea could upset the status quo for nearly any reason, especially if China sees benefit in chaos.
But what we don't know is just how willing Obama's people are to push the envelope, nor do we know just how far they might go.
I can't see the US stumbling along another six to ten years without some changes, drastic changes.
Posted by: JohnsTH36 at March 23, 2015 10:02 AM (7vEcP)
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I am worried about him raising money. But it is dishonest to declare his candidacy dead on day 1
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:02 AM (zOTsN)
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The GOP-E would rather lose with Jeb than win with Cruz.
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Neither Jeb nor Hillary is going to end the corporatist feeding trough. Cruz would at least try.
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Neither Jeb nor Hillary is going to end the corporatist feeding trough. Cruz would at least try.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2015 10:03 AM (78TbK)
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I am a big fan of Ted Cruz - though he is not my preferred candidate at this point. But I am glad he is throwing his hat into the ring because I hope he will pull whoever gets the nom to the right. A run could be good for him even if he loses - he will get money and further name recognition and he will get his ideas out there to be debated.
I'm with Drew in that I don't think he has much of a chance, but you never know in politics. I do think candidates should seize the opportunity when it presents itself. Obama sure did. So maybe the time is right for him.
Cruz has great political instincts - IMO - so he may pull this off.
I'm with Drew in that I don't think he has much of a chance, but you never know in politics. I do think candidates should seize the opportunity when it presents itself. Obama sure did. So maybe the time is right for him.
Cruz has great political instincts - IMO - so he may pull this off.
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 10:04 AM (gmeXX)
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Gosh, a conservative announces his campaign and the long knives come out. So much for waiting to hear the potential candidate give his views on the issues, lets go after him NOW!
The media will jump on him because "HE SHUT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN!" He didn't play nice with McConnell...snort.
Since that minor filibuster, what has happened that was so negative to the Republican party? Oh yeah, there's more of them in Congress since the 1920's, and control more state legislatures and governorships,. Yeah Cruz really took down the GOPe.
I think I like him more than before, because those that hate him have become so much more visible. You could say their camo is failing.
The media will jump on him because "HE SHUT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN!" He didn't play nice with McConnell...snort.
Since that minor filibuster, what has happened that was so negative to the Republican party? Oh yeah, there's more of them in Congress since the 1920's, and control more state legislatures and governorships,. Yeah Cruz really took down the GOPe.
I think I like him more than before, because those that hate him have become so much more visible. You could say their camo is failing.
Posted by: fairweatherbill at March 23, 2015 10:04 AM (FviSe)
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"he'd probably be a disaster in the general"
There's your disaster, right there.
ASSEMBLE THE CIRCULAR FIRING SQUAD!!!
(I am not a Cruzader. Neither am I against him. I'm mildly leaning Walker right now. I want to see things play out.
But it drives me crazy when people who allege that they're "on our side" start screaming UNELECTABLE!@!111!!1eleventy!!! at every single candidate who shows a spark of personality, wit, charm, or deviation from The One True Way, whatever the fuck that is.)
"he'd probably be a disaster in the general" = "Let It Burn."
Sheesh.
There's your disaster, right there.
ASSEMBLE THE CIRCULAR FIRING SQUAD!!!
(I am not a Cruzader. Neither am I against him. I'm mildly leaning Walker right now. I want to see things play out.
But it drives me crazy when people who allege that they're "on our side" start screaming UNELECTABLE!@!111!!1eleventy!!! at every single candidate who shows a spark of personality, wit, charm, or deviation from The One True Way, whatever the fuck that is.)
"he'd probably be a disaster in the general" = "Let It Burn."
Sheesh.
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 10:05 AM (h6Mpm)
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The Middle East is unstable and could go nuclear at any time, and NKorea
could upset the status quo for nearly any reason, especially if China
sees benefit in chaos.
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I wonder if a country like China might want a competent American president at this point?
If America's economy goes belly up so does theirs.
Russia, Iran, etc are different, but China does have a reason to want relative stability in the world right now.
could upset the status quo for nearly any reason, especially if China
sees benefit in chaos.
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I wonder if a country like China might want a competent American president at this point?
If America's economy goes belly up so does theirs.
Russia, Iran, etc are different, but China does have a reason to want relative stability in the world right now.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2015 10:05 AM (78TbK)
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Russia, Iran, etc are different, but China does have a reason to want relative stability in the world right now.
China propping us up is not a good thought.
China propping us up is not a good thought.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 23, 2015 10:06 AM (DT3rQ)
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I am worried about him raising money.
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Fortunately for him - he has access to a lot of Texas oil money. I'm sure it pales in comparison to the money that Bush has access to - but it is something.
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Fortunately for him - he has access to a lot of Texas oil money. I'm sure it pales in comparison to the money that Bush has access to - but it is something.
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 10:07 AM (gmeXX)
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I'm still confused as to how he will be a Jeb-level disaster in the general election. Haven't hearda good reason why yet.
Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Plush Porcupine at March 23, 2015 10:07 AM (k8xvx)
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Just got a job for tomorrow night. Girl's Soccer. It's better than nothing, I guess.
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 23, 2015 10:07 AM (2cS/G)
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I like Cruz. Do I like him enough to violate my general opinion that governorship is superior preparation to serve as President than being in Congress, let alone one term in Congress? Maybe, we'll see how he does in debates and how well he convinces me that he can get into specifics. If nothing else, he serves as the Newt Gingrich of this season (who I would never vote for for President, but damn if I don't love watching him yank lefties' chains).
Posted by: Bruce Jenner's Plastic Vag at March 23, 2015 10:08 AM (dOu5t)
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China propping us up is not a good thought.
No. No it is not.
But I'm not sure its a worse thought than a world plunged into real chaos because the single strongest force for stability (that would be the United States, in case you missed it) suddenly just... stopped.
Something something interesting times...
No. No it is not.
But I'm not sure its a worse thought than a world plunged into real chaos because the single strongest force for stability (that would be the United States, in case you missed it) suddenly just... stopped.
Something something interesting times...
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 10:08 AM (kff5f)
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What is great about his "coming out" early is that the Left will have to devote tons of money destroying him. That will leave less money to destroy the next candidate, and less still for the next. With enough GOP candidates, the Left may run out of money before the election!
Posted by: Jeff P at March 23, 2015 10:09 AM (aosNi)
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Ah, the old "let's be honest" bullshit line from Drew. Typical.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 10:09 AM (ZPrif)
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Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 10:05 AM (h6Mpm)
his twitter handle is @Ted Cruz 2016@ReigniteAmerica
it appeals to the let it burn in me.....but honestly....i believe he is our last best chance as a country.....so i'm all in for Cruz....i'm donating and volunteering...
his twitter handle is @Ted Cruz 2016@ReigniteAmerica
it appeals to the let it burn in me.....but honestly....i believe he is our last best chance as a country.....so i'm all in for Cruz....i'm donating and volunteering...
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 10:09 AM (u8GsB)
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The media will jump on him because "HE SHUT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN!"
As well as, "HE READ GREEN EGGS AND HAM ON THE SENATE FLOOR."
As Fox News was sure to point out this morning.
As well as, "HE READ GREEN EGGS AND HAM ON THE SENATE FLOOR."
As Fox News was sure to point out this morning.
Posted by: olddog in mo at March 23, 2015 10:09 AM (2vRRd)
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Who would our enemies fear, Rand or Cruz?
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:09 AM (zOTsN)
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Speaking of Jeb Bush, I presume everyone realizes that the LIVs have been taught that Bush is the greatest evil of this century right? They will realize this is a different Bush, but they sure as hell aren't going to vote for him.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2015 10:09 AM (78TbK)
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If only America can find a President that meets Drew's standards. Then we'll really be going places.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 10:10 AM (ZPrif)
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So Cruz is a risky choice because of his ethnicity and that as a Senator he has little leadership experience?
52% of the voting public seemed to want those characteristics....twice.
So we know they don't look at those issues as detractors.
Now if we could just get the Republicans to do that, it would be a wave election.
52% of the voting public seemed to want those characteristics....twice.
So we know they don't look at those issues as detractors.
Now if we could just get the Republicans to do that, it would be a wave election.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 10:10 AM (F1jFR)
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He won't be the nominee, but it will be entertaining and edifying to hear him on the campaign trail.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 23, 2015 10:10 AM (Y92Nd)
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But I'm not sure its a worse thought than a world plunged into real chaos because the single strongest force for stability (that would be the United States, in case you missed it) suddenly just... stopped.
I'm reminded how Chinese philosophy once believed Rome had to exist because a China-analogue on the west end of the world was necessary.
I guess it's true, only the name of the dynasty changes there.
I'm reminded how Chinese philosophy once believed Rome had to exist because a China-analogue on the west end of the world was necessary.
I guess it's true, only the name of the dynasty changes there.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 23, 2015 10:11 AM (DT3rQ)
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61 Cruz vs. Fauxcahontos: The Stand Bloodbath
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 23, 2015 09:37 AM
FIFY
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 23, 2015 09:38 AM (h4vJk
Wounded Hip? Since Wounded Knee is already taken.
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 23, 2015 09:37 AM
FIFY
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 23, 2015 09:38 AM (h4vJk
Wounded Hip? Since Wounded Knee is already taken.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 10:11 AM (eeTCA)
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Who would do a better job negotiating with Cuba, besides Cruz?
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:11 AM (zOTsN)
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They will realize this is a different Bush
You are giving the LIV's waaaaay too much credit.
They can't even distinguish between Poppy and Dubya as it is.
You are giving the LIV's waaaaay too much credit.
They can't even distinguish between Poppy and Dubya as it is.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 23, 2015 10:11 AM (7ObY1)
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>>"he'd probably be a disaster in the general"
A] Why?
B] Jeb would probably have the best team given all of his family's experience and its deep network of establishment GOP contacts and campaign strategists like Karl Rove, Nicole Wallace, Steve Schmidt, etc....All of whom helped McCain and Romney lose with dignity. ......Woohoo! /sarc
A] Why?
B] Jeb would probably have the best team given all of his family's experience and its deep network of establishment GOP contacts and campaign strategists like Karl Rove, Nicole Wallace, Steve Schmidt, etc....All of whom helped McCain and Romney lose with dignity. ......Woohoo! /sarc
Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2015 10:11 AM (V+8gv)
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Just got a job for tomorrow night. Girl's Soccer. It's better than nothing, I guess.
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 23, 2015 10:07 AM (2cS/G)
Pretend it's Hockey and it's the Stanley Cup. Make it exciting. Go 'way overboard.
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 23, 2015 10:07 AM (2cS/G)
Pretend it's Hockey and it's the Stanley Cup. Make it exciting. Go 'way overboard.
Posted by: JohnsTH36 at March 23, 2015 10:11 AM (7vEcP)
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Geraghty says this today:
"The big question will be whether the nascent campaigns of Cruz'
rivals drop their opposition research today or later in the week."
This sounds more definitive than mere speculation. Good, get it out.
Cruz will need to deal with whatever it might be, and make it "old
news" (a la the Clinton way)"
The dirt Dewhurst threw at Cruz in '12 was he was a Chinese agent .... for apparently in his private legal life doing legal work for a Chinese tire company or something. It was a nothing-burger. Basically, lawyers have clients. The lawyer isn't the client.
PaulBots take note: His wife works for (shudder) a Wall St firm.
Birthers take note: You are wrong, idiots. Go away. He's eligible. Leftists will troll the issue because racism.
Grades? He graduated from Princeton and Harvard law with honors and even Alan Dershowitz called him brilliant.
Resume? Got in front of the supreme court dozens of times ... and won quite a few cases.
Family? He has a nice family. Doubt he's got any time to be anything but devoted to it in what little time he's not being a political force.
Senate? Where he stopped the gun control push cold,
I'd say the main 'negatives' will be the whining of the surrender monkey Senators about how Cruz is too much of a loose cannon, yadda yadda.
Agenda? Straight-up Reagan conservative. Hold the weak sauce.
"But he's not a Governor!!" Apparently NOBODY SEEMED TO NOTICE THAT MCCAIN AND DOLE WERE NEVER GOVERNORS. Okay, so they turn out so great, but still. Romney had a mere 4 years as Governor, 2 of them basically prepping for the Presidency. so... yeah, he's not been a governor, like Rubio and Paul. ... AND HILLARY. A factor but not a crime.
Keep Calm Cruz On
Geraghty says this today:
"The big question will be whether the nascent campaigns of Cruz'
rivals drop their opposition research today or later in the week."
This sounds more definitive than mere speculation. Good, get it out.
Cruz will need to deal with whatever it might be, and make it "old
news" (a la the Clinton way)"
The dirt Dewhurst threw at Cruz in '12 was he was a Chinese agent .... for apparently in his private legal life doing legal work for a Chinese tire company or something. It was a nothing-burger. Basically, lawyers have clients. The lawyer isn't the client.
PaulBots take note: His wife works for (shudder) a Wall St firm.
Birthers take note: You are wrong, idiots. Go away. He's eligible. Leftists will troll the issue because racism.
Grades? He graduated from Princeton and Harvard law with honors and even Alan Dershowitz called him brilliant.
Resume? Got in front of the supreme court dozens of times ... and won quite a few cases.
Family? He has a nice family. Doubt he's got any time to be anything but devoted to it in what little time he's not being a political force.
Senate? Where he stopped the gun control push cold,
I'd say the main 'negatives' will be the whining of the surrender monkey Senators about how Cruz is too much of a loose cannon, yadda yadda.
Agenda? Straight-up Reagan conservative. Hold the weak sauce.
"But he's not a Governor!!" Apparently NOBODY SEEMED TO NOTICE THAT MCCAIN AND DOLE WERE NEVER GOVERNORS. Okay, so they turn out so great, but still. Romney had a mere 4 years as Governor, 2 of them basically prepping for the Presidency. so... yeah, he's not been a governor, like Rubio and Paul. ... AND HILLARY. A factor but not a crime.
Keep Calm Cruz On
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Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2015 10:09 AM (78TbK)
Which is exactly why the MFM wants him to be the GOP nominee.
It may *also* be the reason the GOPe does. Think about it, right now Mitch & John have everything they want. They have the big gavels, they have lots of power over earmarks, they get nice offices- and (thanks to the MFM, GOPe, and their apologists) virtually no responsibility.
If a Republican wins the Presidency... well, suddenly people are going to expect things to get done. For things promised to be delivered.
Which is exactly why the MFM wants him to be the GOP nominee.
It may *also* be the reason the GOPe does. Think about it, right now Mitch & John have everything they want. They have the big gavels, they have lots of power over earmarks, they get nice offices- and (thanks to the MFM, GOPe, and their apologists) virtually no responsibility.
If a Republican wins the Presidency... well, suddenly people are going to expect things to get done. For things promised to be delivered.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 10:12 AM (kff5f)
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i'm watching the live feed from liberty......a Christian Band is playing......don't know who they are but their music is INSPIRING.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 10:12 AM (u8GsB)
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the Left may run out of money before the election!
Posted by: Jeff P at March 23, 2015 10:09 AM (aosNi)
Have you seen the deficit and unfunded liabilities? The left never runs out of money or should i say credit.
Posted by: Jeff P at March 23, 2015 10:09 AM (aosNi)
Have you seen the deficit and unfunded liabilities? The left never runs out of money or should i say credit.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 10:13 AM (eeTCA)
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Just shut up Drew.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at March 23, 2015 10:13 AM (NHtMs)
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Those that are discounting Cruz. Just remember that people were laughing when Obama announce his candidacy oh so many years ago.
Posted by: wrg500 at March 23, 2015 10:13 AM (S+el1)
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"They can't even distinguish between Poppy and Dubya as it is. "
Dubya is the one who got shot down in World War One, right?
Dubya is the one who got shot down in World War One, right?
Posted by: LIV at March 23, 2015 10:13 AM (F1jFR)
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I love how Drew always sticks around to defend his turd droppings...
FYI...Fox will be showing Cruz's speech @ Liberty U.
FYI...Fox will be showing Cruz's speech @ Liberty U.
Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2015 10:13 AM (v0/PR)
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Just got a job for tomorrow night. Girl's Soccer. It's better than nothing, I guess.
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 23, 2015 10:07 AM (2cS/G)
Oh, just look at those elbows!!
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 23, 2015 10:07 AM (2cS/G)
Oh, just look at those elbows!!
Posted by: wrg500 at March 23, 2015 10:14 AM (S+el1)
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The propaganda press will have a collective aneurysm if Cruz somehow becomes the GOP candidate. I would love to see that happen.
Posted by: MTF, Vote for someone the GOP insiders hate! at March 23, 2015 10:14 AM (FCsIb)
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Girl's Soccer. It's better than nothing, I guess.
I can guarantee you the girls and their parents think it's a lot better than nothing.
I can guarantee you the girls and their parents think it's a lot better than nothing.
Posted by: fairweatherbill at March 23, 2015 10:15 AM (xrURQ)
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Cruz Missile.
Posted by: Big Fig Newton at March 23, 2015 10:15 AM (gwG9s)
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Drew just wants to win a moral victory with a Christie campaign.
Posted by: Fringe at March 23, 2015 10:15 AM (oWl4T)
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Like it or not, we have to have a Hispanic on the ticket.
The argument about _whether_ we should play racial politics is over: We lost.
The argument about _whether_ we should play racial politics is over: We lost.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 23, 2015 10:15 AM (ZvKdv)
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I'm more than a little disturbed that we are shouting " unelectable" before the campaign gets started. I swear, we are our own worst enemy.
Posted by: Tuna at March 23, 2015 10:15 AM (QVa83)
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i'm watching the live feed from liberty......a Christian Band is playing......don't know who they are but their music is INSPIRING.....
That is some Grade A trolling, right there - considering the Democrats are the party who booed God.
That is some Grade A trolling, right there - considering the Democrats are the party who booed God.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 10:15 AM (kff5f)
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It is a simply stunning day here in Texas. Sunny, cool, breeze, birds going crazy
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:15 AM (zOTsN)
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The media will jump on him because "HE SHUT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN!""
(Seinfeld mode on)
Not that there's anything wrong with that!
The media will jump on him because "HE SHUT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN!""
(Seinfeld mode on)
Not that there's anything wrong with that!
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at March 23, 2015 10:16 AM (wT9UL)
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It would be nice to not have to hold my nose to vote
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:16 AM (zOTsN)
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It is a simply stunning day here in Texas. Sunny, cool, breeze, birds going crazy
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We deserve it after the past few weeks.
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We deserve it after the past few weeks.
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 10:16 AM (gmeXX)
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birds going crazy
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:15 AM (zOTsN)
Buy a shotgun
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:15 AM (zOTsN)
Buy a shotgun
Posted by: wrg500 at March 23, 2015 10:16 AM (S+el1)
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The introduction for Cruz's speech just started. He's supposed to speak in about 10 minutes.
http://tinyurl.com/cruz-control-2016
http://tinyurl.com/cruz-control-2016
Posted by: olddog in mo at March 23, 2015 10:16 AM (2vRRd)
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Over-the-top enthusiasm is encouraged, so I'll let it rip. There's a strict "no negativity" policy for HS sports, so it's really the only way to have fun.
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 23, 2015 10:16 AM (2cS/G)
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OT: The Jews are fvcking with the fish. See WZ.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 23, 2015 10:16 AM (XUKZU)
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Perry / Cruz 2016 - Because Texas is that Awesome!
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 10:17 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 10:17 AM (F1jFR)
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Breaking News: Special three day investigative report on Ted Cruz coming...includes interviews with elementary school classmates who claim Cruz threw the ball to hard while playing dodgeball and stole other students' pencils...developing...
Posted by: Wash Post at March 23, 2015 10:17 AM (V+8gv)
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That is some Grade A trolling, right there - considering the Democrats are the party who booed God.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 10:15 AM (kff5f)
cruz is about the symbolism.......announcing at a Christian University.....on March 23rd.....using fire in his twitter handle......he knows what he's doing.....and he believes in what he's doing.......
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 10:15 AM (kff5f)
cruz is about the symbolism.......announcing at a Christian University.....on March 23rd.....using fire in his twitter handle......he knows what he's doing.....and he believes in what he's doing.......
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 10:17 AM (u8GsB)
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Even if he loses ... this might be a good move for Cruz.
He does NOT have to win this to come out a winner. I think he's going to convert a lot of voters ... and scare the hell out of the GOPe.
He does NOT have to win this to come out a winner. I think he's going to convert a lot of voters ... and scare the hell out of the GOPe.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 23, 2015 10:17 AM (oBJsb)
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I'm more than a little disturbed that we are shouting " unelectable" before the campaign gets started. I swear, we are our own worst enemy.
Drew is not "we."
I don't see many of the Horde saying he's unelectable.
Some of us are... skeptical, but that's a vast difference from "shouting 'unelectable.'"
Drew is not "we."
I don't see many of the Horde saying he's unelectable.
Some of us are... skeptical, but that's a vast difference from "shouting 'unelectable.'"
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 10:17 AM (kff5f)
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Charles Murray @charlesmurray
Razib Khan, the nerdiest of writers on genes (that's a compliment, @razibkhan), is too scary for the NYT. http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/03/new-york-times-drops-razib-khan-204287.html -- Pathetic.
Razib Khan, the nerdiest of writers on genes (that's a compliment, @razibkhan), is too scary for the NYT. http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/03/new-york-times-drops-razib-khan-204287.html -- Pathetic.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 10:17 AM (ZPrif)
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"They can't even distinguish between Poppy and Dubya as it is. "
Dubya is the one who got shot down in World War One, right?
Correct. Poppy surrendered to Grant.
Dubya is the one who got shot down in World War One, right?
Correct. Poppy surrendered to Grant.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2015 10:18 AM (Ma5u/)
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The only draw-back I see to him running is I hate to lose him in the
Senate. We have too many RINOs there and not enough conservatives there
==========
Governor Abbott appoints Rick Perry to fill out the remaining term . . . .
The only draw-back I see to him running is I hate to lose him in the
Senate. We have too many RINOs there and not enough conservatives there
==========
Governor Abbott appoints Rick Perry to fill out the remaining term . . . .
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 23, 2015 10:18 AM (ZvKdv)
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And honestly, I have a feeling that Cruz would mop the floor with any Democrat in the general election.
He would win a sizable chunk of the Hispanic vote.
More importantly, I think Cruz would drive the news cycle. I really don't think he would allow the Dems/media drive the agenda. He would attack.
We are so used to Republicans playing defense 100% of the time that we're conditioned by the Democrat-Media Complex to be shocked and horrified by any Republican who actually goes on the offensive against their collectivist agenda. Therefore, Big Thinkers like Drew, who live in the Beltway Bubble declare people like Cruz "probably a disaster in the general."
Beltway Republicans of course have such a sterling record of success in Presidential elections up until now.
Did I mention that the "UNELECTABLE!!!!" crap really, really, REALLY pisses me off?
He would win a sizable chunk of the Hispanic vote.
More importantly, I think Cruz would drive the news cycle. I really don't think he would allow the Dems/media drive the agenda. He would attack.
We are so used to Republicans playing defense 100% of the time that we're conditioned by the Democrat-Media Complex to be shocked and horrified by any Republican who actually goes on the offensive against their collectivist agenda. Therefore, Big Thinkers like Drew, who live in the Beltway Bubble declare people like Cruz "probably a disaster in the general."
Beltway Republicans of course have such a sterling record of success in Presidential elections up until now.
Did I mention that the "UNELECTABLE!!!!" crap really, really, REALLY pisses me off?
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 10:19 AM (h6Mpm)
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He is on
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:19 AM (zOTsN)
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>>
I'm more than a little disturbed that we are shouting " unelectable"
before the campaign gets started. I swear, we are our own worst enemy.
THIS
I'm more than a little disturbed that we are shouting " unelectable"
before the campaign gets started. I swear, we are our own worst enemy.
THIS
Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2015 10:19 AM (V+8gv)
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So the movie What Ever Happened to Baby Jane is about Hillary?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 23, 2015 10:19 AM (y4+1Q)
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201 Like it or not, we have to have a Hispanic on the ticket-----
How about a black as well, or a woman? Or a ghey? Hell, lets just throw names and categories in a hat and pick whoever. Doesn't matter of they are vetted, qualified or ready for prime time.
How about a black as well, or a woman? Or a ghey? Hell, lets just throw names and categories in a hat and pick whoever. Doesn't matter of they are vetted, qualified or ready for prime time.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 10:19 AM (l1zOH)
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Oh look...no podium, no notes, no teleprompter!
Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2015 10:19 AM (v0/PR)
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The only draw-back I see to him running is I hate to lose him in the
Senate. We have too many RINOs there and not enough conservatives there
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Governor Abbott appoints Rick Perry to fill out the remaining term . . . .
Posted by: RoyalOil
BOOM!
Senate. We have too many RINOs there and not enough conservatives there
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Governor Abbott appoints Rick Perry to fill out the remaining term . . . .
Posted by: RoyalOil
BOOM!
Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2015 10:19 AM (Ma5u/)
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The only draw-back I see to him running is I hate to lose him in the
Senate. We have too many RINOs there and not enough conservatives there
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Governor Abbott appoints Rick Perry to fill out the remaining term . . . .
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Isn't this only an issue if he wins?
Senate. We have too many RINOs there and not enough conservatives there
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Governor Abbott appoints Rick Perry to fill out the remaining term . . . .
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Isn't this only an issue if he wins?
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 10:20 AM (gmeXX)
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Wounded Hip? Since Wounded Knee is already taken.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 10:11 AM
Hmmm....I like it.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 10:11 AM
Hmmm....I like it.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 23, 2015 10:20 AM (h4vJk)
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I'm more than a little disturbed that we are shouting " unelectable" before the campaign gets started. I swear, we are our own worst enemy.
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It's just Drew being a wuss.
"X is not electable" is mostly just a wuss way to say "I don't like X".
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It's just Drew being a wuss.
"X is not electable" is mostly just a wuss way to say "I don't like X".
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 10:20 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:20 AM (zOTsN)
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Did I mention that the "UNELECTABLE!!!!" crap really, really, REALLY pisses me off?
I'm thinking he may not have been reading this weekend:
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=355643
I'm thinking he may not have been reading this weekend:
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=355643
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 23, 2015 10:20 AM (DT3rQ)
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My thought is that Ted Cruz as a SCOTUS Justice would have longer lasting benefits than as President Cruz. IMHO
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 10:21 AM (l1zOH)
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On the experience issue. He's been exceptional in everything he's ever done. Major overachiever. He's 44 years old. He's solid on his beliefs, thorough, not some wild crazy youngster with big unsustainable ideas. I.e. the opposite of O. Can we at least give him credit for what he's accomplished in his life so far instead of saying he needs to serve another or two more terms? I mean really. What would serving another term accomplish to enhance the person he already is.
Posted by: Adrienne at March 23, 2015 10:21 AM (lVcuh)
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The media is already working it's magic...
"He's a Christian Conservative, but he's smart."
"He was a rock star for awhile, but most of the party hates him."
"He's a Christian Conservative, but he's smart."
"He was a rock star for awhile, but most of the party hates him."
Posted by: jwest at March 23, 2015 10:21 AM (9ZZd+)
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Things King Henry never said - "Once more dear fellows! Circular firing squad!"
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 23, 2015 10:21 AM (y4+1Q)
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The media will jump on him because "HE SHUT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN!""
***
My friends in the media correctly point out that I did try and change the course of this government and came up unfortunately short. And so I ask the vast American middle, are you happy with the direction this country has gone since then?
If you are - if you are better off now then you were 4 years ago, then Hillary Clinton is probably your candidate. She has made quite clear that she will follow the path of Obama and Bush before him.
If you agree with me though that we need to change course, that we can do better though I would ask you for your support. Because together we can change the failed policies that are holding this country back.
***
My friends in the media correctly point out that I did try and change the course of this government and came up unfortunately short. And so I ask the vast American middle, are you happy with the direction this country has gone since then?
If you are - if you are better off now then you were 4 years ago, then Hillary Clinton is probably your candidate. She has made quite clear that she will follow the path of Obama and Bush before him.
If you agree with me though that we need to change course, that we can do better though I would ask you for your support. Because together we can change the failed policies that are holding this country back.
Posted by: Stuff Cruz could say... at March 23, 2015 10:21 AM (78TbK)
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My thought is that Ted Cruz as a SCOTUS Justice would have longer lasting benefits than as President Cruz. IMHO
That would be awesome, indeed.
That would be awesome, indeed.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 10:21 AM (kff5f)
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No teleprompter...
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Cruz might actually know the names of people he appointed to cabinet positions, which is a step in the right direction.
No teleprompter...
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Cruz might actually know the names of people he appointed to cabinet positions, which is a step in the right direction.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2015 10:21 AM (2ePOO)
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Here comes the optimism again. Ace better be on point today.
Posted by: kartoffel at March 23, 2015 10:21 AM (sGRH7)
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Taft was president first and then SCOTUS
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:21 AM (zOTsN)
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Love him!
Posted by: LASue at March 23, 2015 10:22 AM (wgFcF)
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Drew -- you keep writing about how the party is feckless and nobody wants to defend the constitution/limited government anymore. Well...here's a guy. How about a little enthusiasm?
Posted by: PF at March 23, 2015 10:22 AM (MLzEj)
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My thought is that Ted Cruz as a SCOTUS Justice would have longer lasting benefits than as President Cruz. IMHO
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I agree 100% with this.
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I agree 100% with this.
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 10:22 AM (gmeXX)
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My thought is that Ted Cruz as a SCOTUS Justice would have longer lasting benefits than as President Cruz. IMHO
That comes after two terms as POTUS.
That comes after two terms as POTUS.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2015 10:22 AM (Ma5u/)
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"At this point, Math is going to win, it's just a matter of when not if.
We could have the perfect candidate and win and still the Math could
hit. And hit hard.""
Here's the math:
- 45% of the country is lost to the liberal progressive Democrats.
They could nominate stinkin' pile of poo and call it the Democrat nominee, and it would pull 45%.
- 15% is weak-sauce wimpy moderates who 'just want to get along'.
- 40% are the restless, angry, ticked off at how absurd our outrageous government has become and wanting a return to constitution, order, sanity, and stopping progressive nanny-statist BS.
We are close to civil war.
We listen to the weak-sauce wimpy moderates, nominate one of them, the progressives steam-roll them and we LOSE and worse, get ticked off at how moderates have allowed the Overton window to shift.
The ONLY answer is to nominate one of our own.
The Rove's of the world will insist on the 'math' that most of the wimpy folks defect to the other side if we are too 'strong' ie like Cruz. They think we lose the moderates and hence the election.
HOWEVER, that neglects a simple part of the equation. Paint a better positive picture of America under your leadership and you can win the middle of America. That's how Reagan won, that's how GWBush won (closely).
That's why being articulate and clear about your vision matters. And THAT is why Cruz is worth consideration.
"At this point, Math is going to win, it's just a matter of when not if.
We could have the perfect candidate and win and still the Math could
hit. And hit hard.""
Here's the math:
- 45% of the country is lost to the liberal progressive Democrats.
They could nominate stinkin' pile of poo and call it the Democrat nominee, and it would pull 45%.
- 15% is weak-sauce wimpy moderates who 'just want to get along'.
- 40% are the restless, angry, ticked off at how absurd our outrageous government has become and wanting a return to constitution, order, sanity, and stopping progressive nanny-statist BS.
We are close to civil war.
We listen to the weak-sauce wimpy moderates, nominate one of them, the progressives steam-roll them and we LOSE and worse, get ticked off at how moderates have allowed the Overton window to shift.
The ONLY answer is to nominate one of our own.
The Rove's of the world will insist on the 'math' that most of the wimpy folks defect to the other side if we are too 'strong' ie like Cruz. They think we lose the moderates and hence the election.
HOWEVER, that neglects a simple part of the equation. Paint a better positive picture of America under your leadership and you can win the middle of America. That's how Reagan won, that's how GWBush won (closely).
That's why being articulate and clear about your vision matters. And THAT is why Cruz is worth consideration.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at March 23, 2015 10:22 AM (wT9UL)
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One thing on the so-con nonsense.
If a politician is not a so-con atsome level , then he's just a con.
What do I mean? Certainly not that he needs to be AFA, Focus on the Family vetted, or that he be particularly religious.
A sort of secular social conservatism (which in all honestyborrows its values from the Judeo-Christian worldview) recognizes thatdamage to or destruction of social institutions and associations gives the government an opportunity to "fill the void"and do so inefficiently andineffectively, and that society can do what government does better and for less money.
A secular social conservatism puts anemphasis on personal responsibility, integrity, honesty, accountability to neighbors and to society, and a certain conservative social consciousness that says there are some people who legitimately need help out there, but that the government should not have the power to do with other people's money what I and my neighbors can do better ourselves.
Therefore, there's a policy push forlower taxes across the board and a push towards federalism and decentralization to make sure the government doesn't get in the way of the normal functioning of institutions and associations.
One thing on the so-con nonsense.
If a politician is not a so-con atsome level , then he's just a con.
What do I mean? Certainly not that he needs to be AFA, Focus on the Family vetted, or that he be particularly religious.
A sort of secular social conservatism (which in all honestyborrows its values from the Judeo-Christian worldview) recognizes thatdamage to or destruction of social institutions and associations gives the government an opportunity to "fill the void"and do so inefficiently andineffectively, and that society can do what government does better and for less money.
A secular social conservatism puts anemphasis on personal responsibility, integrity, honesty, accountability to neighbors and to society, and a certain conservative social consciousness that says there are some people who legitimately need help out there, but that the government should not have the power to do with other people's money what I and my neighbors can do better ourselves.
Therefore, there's a policy push forlower taxes across the board and a push towards federalism and decentralization to make sure the government doesn't get in the way of the normal functioning of institutions and associations.
Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Plush Porcupine at March 23, 2015 10:22 AM (k8xvx)
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Some of us are... skeptical, but that's a vast difference from "shouting 'unelectable.'"
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 10:17 AM
I wouldn't even say skeptical. It's early, we don't know for sure who is running, or positions for that matter. I like Cruz, I think he is going to give a lot of people heartburn in both party's. But, I'm still in the wait and see camp.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 10:17 AM
I wouldn't even say skeptical. It's early, we don't know for sure who is running, or positions for that matter. I like Cruz, I think he is going to give a lot of people heartburn in both party's. But, I'm still in the wait and see camp.
Posted by: wrg500 at March 23, 2015 10:22 AM (S+el1)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 10:23 AM (ZPrif)
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Ronnie Ray-Gun is a crazy old B-movie actor who's going to start World War III!!!!!
And that was from his own side.
And that was from his own side.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 23, 2015 10:23 AM (7ObY1)
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233 My thought is that Ted Cruz as a SCOTUS Justice would have longer lasting benefits than as President Cruz. IMHO
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 10:21 AM
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I would have to agree. We simply need more of him.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 10:21 AM
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I would have to agree. We simply need more of him.
Posted by: Seems Legit at March 23, 2015 10:23 AM (A98Xu)
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Oh wait---Cruz was endorsed by Palin when he ran for Senate.
Palin is icky - not our kind or Republican!11!! He can't win! /sarc
Palin is icky - not our kind or Republican!11!! He can't win! /sarc
Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2015 10:23 AM (V+8gv)
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He can be SCOTUS after POTUS
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:23 AM (zOTsN)
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How about a little enthusiasm?
Posted by: PF at March 23, 2015 10:22 AM (MLzEj)
Your platinum subscription paid up? Remember, ace is now a democrat and all his little co-blogs are taking adult confirmation class.
Posted by: PF at March 23, 2015 10:22 AM (MLzEj)
Your platinum subscription paid up? Remember, ace is now a democrat and all his little co-blogs are taking adult confirmation class.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 10:23 AM (l1zOH)
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Citizen X, don't forget "voodoo economics."
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 23, 2015 10:23 AM (y4+1Q)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 23, 2015 10:24 AM (BZAd3)
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Cruz is obviously a good speaker and can do it well without a teleprompter - but I don't think I have ever seen him give a speech from behind a podium. He must not be as comfortable with it. But he will have to get good at it.
Has anyone seen him speak from behind a podium?
Just curious.
Has anyone seen him speak from behind a podium?
Just curious.
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 10:24 AM (gmeXX)
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All in for Ted!
All in for Ted!
Posted by: maddogg at March 23, 2015 10:24 AM (xWW96)
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Some of us are... skeptical, but that's a vast difference from "shouting 'unelectable.'"
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 10:17 AM (kff5f)
Right on.
Healthy skepticism is certainly appropriate here, especially given how many "conservatives" were elected to Congress only to later rollover to the status quo. I like Ted and what he's done so far, and I'd like to find out more. At least we have another horse in the race - here's hoping he Walker can complement each other and further their ideas/platforms instead of ripping each other apart.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 10:17 AM (kff5f)
Right on.
Healthy skepticism is certainly appropriate here, especially given how many "conservatives" were elected to Congress only to later rollover to the status quo. I like Ted and what he's done so far, and I'd like to find out more. At least we have another horse in the race - here's hoping he Walker can complement each other and further their ideas/platforms instead of ripping each other apart.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 23, 2015 10:24 AM (gfB4n)
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253 He can be SCOTUS after POTUS
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:23 AM (zOTsN)
Don't limit the man! These days he could be FLOTUS if he wanted!
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:23 AM (zOTsN)
Don't limit the man! These days he could be FLOTUS if he wanted!
Posted by: Insomniac at March 23, 2015 10:24 AM (2Ojst)
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Is Cruz going to make us quit drinking? This could be a problem...
Posted by: jdub at March 23, 2015 10:25 AM (WDySP)
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4 I disagree whole-heartedly. I am no social con but I like him better than any other potential candidate.
Agree w Teh Vic!
Agree w Teh Vic!
Posted by: The Prophet Some Dope at March 23, 2015 10:25 AM (hKyl0)
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He is the anti obama. In every way
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:26 AM (zOTsN)
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OT: The Jews are fvcking with the fish. See WZ.
There were some dudes in Germany that used to think everything was the Jews' fault, too.
Weird, that.
There were some dudes in Germany that used to think everything was the Jews' fault, too.
Weird, that.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at March 23, 2015 10:26 AM (/Ho8c)
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Has anyone seen him speak from behind a podium?
Just curious.
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 10:24 AM (gmeXX)
don't court rooms have podiums?
Just curious.
Posted by: SH at March 23, 2015 10:24 AM (gmeXX)
don't court rooms have podiums?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 10:26 AM (u8GsB)
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They want to believe.
Posted by: kartoffel at March 23, 2015 10:26 AM (sGRH7)
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And now a preemptive art posting
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Rory-Kurtz-illustrations-1.jpg
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Rory-Kurtz-illustrations-1.jpg
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 23, 2015 10:26 AM (y4+1Q)
Posted by: JohnsTH36 at March 23, 2015 10:26 AM (7vEcP)
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Oh Drew I think Your gonna be shocked, just a bit.
Posted by: marine43 at March 23, 2015 10:26 AM (YYVwb)
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Dibs on the "Keep Calm and Cruz On" t shirt franchise!
Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2015 10:26 AM (Ma5u/)
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I think Ted and Bibi might be able to find some common ground. Heh.
I think Ted and Bibi might be able to find some common ground. Heh.
Posted by: maddogg at March 23, 2015 10:27 AM (xWW96)
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Maybe Cruz won`t get that far this time, but hey, maybe he can change the debate and make primary voters shy away from jebby. Cruz has my support as he always did.
Posted by: rightlysouthern(aim low boys,they still in wagon ruts) at March 23, 2015 10:27 AM (VEEmp)
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211 OT: The Jews are fvcking with the fish. See WZ.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 23, 2015 10:16 AM (XUKZU)
Wow mommy, is that really how gefilte gets made?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 23, 2015 10:16 AM (XUKZU)
Wow mommy, is that really how gefilte gets made?
Posted by: Little Susie Goldman at March 23, 2015 10:27 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 23, 2015 10:27 AM (gfB4n)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 10:27 AM (ZPrif)
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Local Fox affiliate said he was not known for anything except shutting down the government (the "disastrous" shut down) though he was identified in most peoples' minds as a "bomb thrower".
Yep. First he'll be a nut job, then unelectable, then 'White Hispanic", then not qualified for some reason, then a war monger, then not willing to learn from his betters like, say, Jeb or "seasoned" veteran GOPe.
Yep. First he'll be a nut job, then unelectable, then 'White Hispanic", then not qualified for some reason, then a war monger, then not willing to learn from his betters like, say, Jeb or "seasoned" veteran GOPe.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something likes quotation marks at March 23, 2015 10:27 AM (NHtMs)
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We are close to civil war.
Or a velvet divorce a la Czechoslovakia.
I can't imagine the same hipsters who flock to "adult preschool" fighting in the hollows of Appalachia to keep West Virginia in the union.
Or a velvet divorce a la Czechoslovakia.
I can't imagine the same hipsters who flock to "adult preschool" fighting in the hollows of Appalachia to keep West Virginia in the union.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 23, 2015 10:28 AM (4YKBD)
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We are close to civil war.
Or a velvet divorce a la Czechoslovakia.
I can't imagine the same hipsters who flock to "adult preschool" fighting in the hollows of Appalachia to keep West Virginia in the union.
Or a velvet divorce a la Czechoslovakia.
I can't imagine the same hipsters who flock to "adult preschool" fighting in the hollows of Appalachia to keep West Virginia in the union.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 23, 2015 10:28 AM (4YKBD)
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don't court rooms have podiums?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 10:26 AM (u8GsB)
Many, but I don't know that all of them do.
And that doesn't mean he stands behind them when speaking.
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 10:26 AM (u8GsB)
Many, but I don't know that all of them do.
And that doesn't mean he stands behind them when speaking.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 10:28 AM (kff5f)
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Gregory of Yardale, the ones who attend Adult Preschool will have very bad temper tantrums when Math/Reality takes away their security blankets.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 23, 2015 10:29 AM (y4+1Q)
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"233 My thought is that Ted Cruz as a SCOTUS Justice would have longer lasting benefits than as President Cruz. IMHO
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 10:21 AM (l1zOH)"
Absolutely impossible. The dems would bork him even if a repub had the fortitude to nominate him. The only GOP candidate with that kind of fortitude is Cruz himself. Walker is a great candidate, but he would nominate folks like Roberts at best.
If you like Cruz-like folks on the Court, vote for Cruz and he'll nominate many for ya!
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 23, 2015 10:21 AM (l1zOH)"
Absolutely impossible. The dems would bork him even if a repub had the fortitude to nominate him. The only GOP candidate with that kind of fortitude is Cruz himself. Walker is a great candidate, but he would nominate folks like Roberts at best.
If you like Cruz-like folks on the Court, vote for Cruz and he'll nominate many for ya!
Posted by: Dustin at March 23, 2015 10:29 AM (AvQuN)
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Candidate X is not electable = I don't like Candidate X
Carries no more weight than that.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 10:23 AM (ZPrif)
Disagree. "Unelectable" i(or "he'd probably be a disaster in the general" which is pretty much the same thing) is much, much, much, much more obnoxious, corrosive, destructive, and cynical than "do not like."
Let's let it all play out for a while, hmm?
Carries no more weight than that.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 10:23 AM (ZPrif)
Disagree. "Unelectable" i(or "he'd probably be a disaster in the general" which is pretty much the same thing) is much, much, much, much more obnoxious, corrosive, destructive, and cynical than "do not like."
Let's let it all play out for a while, hmm?
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 10:29 AM (h6Mpm)
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Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 23, 2015 09:28 AM (wlDny)
Couldn't have said it any better.
Couldn't have said it any better.
Posted by: 2L at March 23, 2015 10:29 AM (TaO1J)
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he was behind a podium.....whilst conducting his filibuster.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 10:29 AM (u8GsB)
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Typical Drew M. - Equating arguing Heller with Obama's "community organizing" as if they're exactly equivalent.
I guess to Drew that if someone goes to church, he immediately is downgraded to "absolute worthless" and has to go twice as far to get half as much traction.
Or he's just showing his bias.
My guess is bias. Can't have someone who PRAYS getting votes, it'd be like MONSTERGEDDON.
Drew's just a wee bit biased, yeah.
I guess to Drew that if someone goes to church, he immediately is downgraded to "absolute worthless" and has to go twice as far to get half as much traction.
Or he's just showing his bias.
My guess is bias. Can't have someone who PRAYS getting votes, it'd be like MONSTERGEDDON.
Drew's just a wee bit biased, yeah.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at March 23, 2015 10:30 AM (scgac)
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I don't find Cruz especially so-con, so not sure what Drew's basing that on, unless the sole criteria is Mr. Mrs. Ghey. I've always considered Cruz's social positions pretty much "Republican" rather than "so-con." On abortion - no partial birth/late term, no public funding.
I see this as Cruz's teeth-cutting learning exercise candidacy. He's not going to win and he's going to make some mistakes, just hopefully nothing that sticks permanently. This will hopefully sharpen him up for later campaigns when the "first term Senator" issue won't be in play and he's maybe had some time to operate in a more conservative-friendly environment. Another "hopefully" is that he'll have a third party to move into in a few years time.
I see this as Cruz's teeth-cutting learning exercise candidacy. He's not going to win and he's going to make some mistakes, just hopefully nothing that sticks permanently. This will hopefully sharpen him up for later campaigns when the "first term Senator" issue won't be in play and he's maybe had some time to operate in a more conservative-friendly environment. Another "hopefully" is that he'll have a third party to move into in a few years time.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 23, 2015 10:30 AM (QKIQb)
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Last Great Hope PtII
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 10:30 AM (F1jFR)
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We can't forget that disastrous government shutdown which caused the GOP to accidentally garner more seats than at any time since around World War I.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2015 10:30 AM (2ePOO)
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I can't imagine the same hipsters who flock to "adult preschool" fighting in the hollows of Appalachia to keep West Virginia in the union.
They aren't the ones groomed for the fighting.
Watch the patterns and it becomes clear.
They aren't the ones groomed for the fighting.
Watch the patterns and it becomes clear.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 23, 2015 10:30 AM (DT3rQ)
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Yep. First he'll be a nut job, then unelectable, then 'White Hispanic", then not qualified for some reason, then a war monger, then not willing to learn from his betters like, say, Jeb or "seasoned" veteran GOPe.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something likes quotation marks at March 23, 2015 10:27 AM (NHtMs)
I hate to invoke Saint Ronald, but Reagan was (in some circles) an unelectable nut job too at one time, was he not?
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something likes quotation marks at March 23, 2015 10:27 AM (NHtMs)
I hate to invoke Saint Ronald, but Reagan was (in some circles) an unelectable nut job too at one time, was he not?
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 10:31 AM (h6Mpm)
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Gregory of Yardale, the ones who attend Adult Preschool will have very
bad temper tantrums when Math/Reality takes away their security
blankets.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 23, 2015 10:29 AM (y4+1Q)
a guy has started a gofund me to ruin adult preschool....he wants to purchase a go pro...go to the preschool and soil himself .......
Gregory of Yardale, the ones who attend Adult Preschool will have very
bad temper tantrums when Math/Reality takes away their security
blankets.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 23, 2015 10:29 AM (y4+1Q)
a guy has started a gofund me to ruin adult preschool....he wants to purchase a go pro...go to the preschool and soil himself .......
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 10:31 AM (u8GsB)
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I so tire of this. In a race with moderate squishes like Jeb Bush and Chris Christie, some conservatives are already aboard the Cruz Hate Train. @Redsteeze is the most egregious offender.
Personally, I think Cruz and Walker are the only conservatives in the field who will remain conservative after being elected. Isn't that what this country needs right now? John McCain was electable. Mitt Romney was electable. How did that turn out?
Personally, I think Cruz and Walker are the only conservatives in the field who will remain conservative after being elected. Isn't that what this country needs right now? John McCain was electable. Mitt Romney was electable. How did that turn out?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 23, 2015 10:31 AM (kFnmp)
Posted by: fairweatherbill at March 23, 2015 10:31 AM (FviSe)
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Drew has lost me. Mark it down in the book. 3/23/15.
There is no man alive more qualified or capable to lead this nation than Ted Cruz. I am personally offended and offended as an American that Drew would use the occasion of the day of his announcement and the zeroes and ones afforded to him by this blog to smear Ted Cruz, who is far and away the best hope for the future of this nation.
I'm out of practice with clever put downs. But Drew, this is patently offensive and I question your judgement.
There is no man alive more qualified or capable to lead this nation than Ted Cruz. I am personally offended and offended as an American that Drew would use the occasion of the day of his announcement and the zeroes and ones afforded to him by this blog to smear Ted Cruz, who is far and away the best hope for the future of this nation.
I'm out of practice with clever put downs. But Drew, this is patently offensive and I question your judgement.
Posted by: Formerly atnorth at March 23, 2015 10:32 AM (R3sw9)
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I've heard that Cruz is an excellent speaker and knows how to work a crowd. Those "crowds" were all sympathetic, so it remains to be seen how he handles UNsympathetic and downright hostile crowds.
This is all secondhand info, so YMMV.
We'll see.
This is all secondhand info, so YMMV.
We'll see.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 23, 2015 10:32 AM (gfB4n)
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He also said laws ought to bind government
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:32 AM (zOTsN)
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296 He also said laws ought to bind government
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:32 AM (zOTsN)
Kinky!
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:32 AM (zOTsN)
Kinky!
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Gregory of Yardale, the ones who attend Adult Preschool will have very bad temper tantrums when Math/Reality takes away their security blankets.
Hard to engage in tantrums long when you're not sure where your meals are coming from. I'm looking forward to the Hipster Riots, when the mobs loot Whole Foods.
Hard to engage in tantrums long when you're not sure where your meals are coming from. I'm looking forward to the Hipster Riots, when the mobs loot Whole Foods.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 23, 2015 10:32 AM (DT3rQ)
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You know who IS unelectable, IMHO?
Jeb Bush. Because Bush and because dick who can't wait to attack conservatives.
Marco Rubio. I like Rubio, but there is a large swath of voters who will never forgive his lying about amnesty to get elected.
Rand Paul. Because Ron Paul.
Look at the rest of note: Perry, Jindal, Cruz, Walker (okay, some discount Perry because of 2012). Are any of them unelectable for any reason that isn't "well, I don't like him"? Because if not, STFU. This bullshit is getting old. And having suffered through the presidencies of McCain and Romney, I'm not really willing to listen to anyone bleating "electable". Because you sound borderline retarded.
Jeb Bush. Because Bush and because dick who can't wait to attack conservatives.
Marco Rubio. I like Rubio, but there is a large swath of voters who will never forgive his lying about amnesty to get elected.
Rand Paul. Because Ron Paul.
Look at the rest of note: Perry, Jindal, Cruz, Walker (okay, some discount Perry because of 2012). Are any of them unelectable for any reason that isn't "well, I don't like him"? Because if not, STFU. This bullshit is getting old. And having suffered through the presidencies of McCain and Romney, I'm not really willing to listen to anyone bleating "electable". Because you sound borderline retarded.
Posted by: physics geek at March 23, 2015 10:33 AM (MT22W)
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Drew wrote, "I like Cruz on shrinking government, kind of less thrilled on his hawkish foreign policy but interested to see how that plays out but not being a social-con it's hard to see getting too excited about him."
'Hawkish foreign policy'? Given the chaos Obama is creating, our next President--of whatever party--will need to be the best war president in our history. Those foreign policy chickens are coming home, guaranteed. However dovish our new President might want to be is at odds with what the strategic challenges will be. At some point, even the most flaky, fucked-upbig 'L' libertarian has to fight.
You're remark about 'not being a social con', Drew? That 'social con' label is irksome, especially since it serves to marginalize people who believe the dismemberment of human beings in the womb is a fundamentally evil act.
So yeah, I can see supporting Cruz.The only problem with Cruz is that the MSMhates him almost as much as they hated SarahPalin. To win the nomination, Cruz has to play a no-blunder game: no mistakes anywhere. To win the general election,he has to excel in every aspect: rhetorically, organizationally, financially. I guess Cruz sees Reagan as his model since Reagan was campaigning under similar conditions and managed to pull it off. We'll see, I guess.
'Hawkish foreign policy'? Given the chaos Obama is creating, our next President--of whatever party--will need to be the best war president in our history. Those foreign policy chickens are coming home, guaranteed. However dovish our new President might want to be is at odds with what the strategic challenges will be. At some point, even the most flaky, fucked-upbig 'L' libertarian has to fight.
You're remark about 'not being a social con', Drew? That 'social con' label is irksome, especially since it serves to marginalize people who believe the dismemberment of human beings in the womb is a fundamentally evil act.
So yeah, I can see supporting Cruz.The only problem with Cruz is that the MSMhates him almost as much as they hated SarahPalin. To win the nomination, Cruz has to play a no-blunder game: no mistakes anywhere. To win the general election,he has to excel in every aspect: rhetorically, organizationally, financially. I guess Cruz sees Reagan as his model since Reagan was campaigning under similar conditions and managed to pull it off. We'll see, I guess.
Posted by: troyriser at March 23, 2015 10:33 AM (Bvf82)
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It's good to see Drew be this petty and dumb this early. I'd been on the fence about whether to listen to anything he says.
This type of aggressive stupidity provides clarity.
This type of aggressive stupidity provides clarity.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 10:33 AM (ZPrif)
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Calling Senator Cruz a flame thrower or a radical or a social con or anything derogatory in those terms is letting the Liberals set the debate and the terms AND I WILL NOT DO THAT. Grab the initiative and set OUR TERMS ! NOW!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 23, 2015 10:33 AM (rDqRv)
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Cruz has been a consistent, principled conservative. He doesn't pander, and he doesn't back down. He's the man. This idea that a true conservative can't win in the general is sheer stupidity. DrewM seems to be falling into the GOPe trap, just like Ace has in the past. Finally we can have a candidate that can draw a bright line of distinction from the libtard-socialist view and ours. I think he'll definitely move the debate in our direction.
Posted by: Iblis at March 23, 2015 10:33 AM (U0ndG)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 23, 2015 10:34 AM (DT3rQ)
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Cavil, the Ferguson mob writ large.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 23, 2015 10:34 AM (y4+1Q)
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Regulators and tax collectors kept at bay
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:34 AM (zOTsN)
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WTH is drew talking about? I'm watching and listening and I'm not seeing this.....
@DrewMTips 52s53 seconds ago
Liberty U kids cheering at the mention of various things (like California and Patrick Henry) were fun at first, now seem to be annoying Cruz.
@DrewMTips 52s53 seconds ago
Liberty U kids cheering at the mention of various things (like California and Patrick Henry) were fun at first, now seem to be annoying Cruz.
Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2015 10:34 AM (v0/PR)
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Or a velvet divorce a la Czechoslovakia.
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One thing to watch for is when a Governor tells the feds to go pound sand, including the courts. It doesn't really matter what the issue is, though hopefully he will pick a good one for optics.
I had though border security would be a good one, but Perry/Abbot have fallen rather short. Call it an invasion, not "border security" and demand the President send the army. Call up the national guard and start acting irrespective of what the President says or does.
Don't "arrest" border crossers. Send them back across the border immediately, destroy whatever the coyotes are using to bring them over, and start laying mine fields.
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One thing to watch for is when a Governor tells the feds to go pound sand, including the courts. It doesn't really matter what the issue is, though hopefully he will pick a good one for optics.
I had though border security would be a good one, but Perry/Abbot have fallen rather short. Call it an invasion, not "border security" and demand the President send the army. Call up the national guard and start acting irrespective of what the President says or does.
Don't "arrest" border crossers. Send them back across the border immediately, destroy whatever the coyotes are using to bring them over, and start laying mine fields.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2015 10:34 AM (78TbK)
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I can't imagine the same hipsters who flock to "adult preschool" fighting in the hollows of Appalachia to keep West Virginia in the union.
They aren't the ones groomed for the fighting.
Watch the patterns and it becomes clear.
Don't see Fergadishans doing it either.
They aren't the ones groomed for the fighting.
Watch the patterns and it becomes clear.
Don't see Fergadishans doing it either.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2015 10:34 AM (Ma5u/)
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>There is no man alive more qualified or capable to lead this nation than Ted Cruz
Jesus Christ, no nausea so soon after breakfast please. You people will follow anything with a pulse and a smile.
Jesus Christ, no nausea so soon after breakfast please. You people will follow anything with a pulse and a smile.
Posted by: kartoffel at March 23, 2015 10:35 AM (sGRH7)
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Just wait 'till the press uses their favorite term for effective conservatives: "polarizing,"
Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2015 10:35 AM (V+8gv)
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I think the problem with the hawkish comment is Obama has been so far to the left, even a slight shift to the right is seen as a drastic change. That is Obama's problem, not Cruz's.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 23, 2015 10:35 AM (kFnmp)
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Because you sound borderline retarded.
Posted by: physics geek at March 23, 2015 10:33 AM (MT22W)
You're very correct freak!
Because you sound borderline retarded.
Posted by: physics geek at March 23, 2015 10:33 AM (MT22W)
You're very correct freak!
Posted by: Rachel Jeantel at March 23, 2015 10:35 AM (P330y)
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Repealing Obamacare - I'm in!
Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2015 10:35 AM (V+8gv)
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Personally, I think Cruz and Walker are the only conservatives in the field who will remain conservative after being elected. Isn't that what this country needs right now? John McCain was electable. Mitt Romney was electable. How did that turn out?
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Bingo. Cruz, Walker and Jindal are about the only people anywhere near the levers of power that I think would actually carry out policies I agree with. Three out of the hundreds in this country.
Personally, I think Cruz and Walker are the only conservatives in the field who will remain conservative after being elected. Isn't that what this country needs right now? John McCain was electable. Mitt Romney was electable. How did that turn out?
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Bingo. Cruz, Walker and Jindal are about the only people anywhere near the levers of power that I think would actually carry out policies I agree with. Three out of the hundreds in this country.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2015 10:35 AM (2ePOO)
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Drew can't see through his bias
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:36 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 10:36 AM (u8GsB)
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I don't think he likes Obamacare
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 10:36 AM (F1jFR)
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We keep making the same mistakes.
Here we are, thinking about running another politician for President. Someone who's been in the public eye, has a record to attack who is in effect a easy target.
Democrats ran a nobody from nowhere. People couldn't even pronounce his name. Everyone could paint him with whatever brush they wanted, make him anything and everything.
Pretty easy to vote for someone who you imagine is everything you want in a leader.
Sure, the no experience stumblefuck screwed everything up, but he got elected - twice.
Here's Cruz basically saying he wants to turn the country into a theocracy and that any non-believers, muslims and blacks (just for good measure) will be thrown out.
At least that's how the liberals are hearing it.
And some in the middle who get their information from liberal sources.
Is there any problem having a president that is unapologetically religious? No. Is there any problem getting someone elected president if they base their campaign on being unapologetically religious? Yes.
Mike Rowe - 2016
Is he religious? I've got no idea. Which is how it should be.
Here we are, thinking about running another politician for President. Someone who's been in the public eye, has a record to attack who is in effect a easy target.
Democrats ran a nobody from nowhere. People couldn't even pronounce his name. Everyone could paint him with whatever brush they wanted, make him anything and everything.
Pretty easy to vote for someone who you imagine is everything you want in a leader.
Sure, the no experience stumblefuck screwed everything up, but he got elected - twice.
Here's Cruz basically saying he wants to turn the country into a theocracy and that any non-believers, muslims and blacks (just for good measure) will be thrown out.
At least that's how the liberals are hearing it.
And some in the middle who get their information from liberal sources.
Is there any problem having a president that is unapologetically religious? No. Is there any problem getting someone elected president if they base their campaign on being unapologetically religious? Yes.
Mike Rowe - 2016
Is he religious? I've got no idea. Which is how it should be.
Posted by: jwest at March 23, 2015 10:36 AM (9ZZd+)
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Just wait 'till the press uses their favorite term for effective conservatives: "polarizing,"
Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2015 10:35 AM (V+8gv)
"Divisive."
Odd how leftists are never "divisive," isn't it?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 23, 2015 10:35 AM (V+8gv)
"Divisive."
Odd how leftists are never "divisive," isn't it?
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 10:36 AM (h6Mpm)
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I can already hear the pundits on the left dropping Jerry Falwell into the Cruz commentary. I hope he figures out how to counter that nonsense.
Posted by: fairweatherbill at March 23, 2015 10:36 AM (o/3Hk)
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For those who think Cruz can win because he's openly conservative, why did Sarah Palin do poorly?
I'm asking a serious question, not attacking. Palin was openly conservative, and her supporters, including me, crawled over John McCain and broken glass to vote for her. Plus, she was hot and related to middle America very well.
If a true conservative could win in this FSA world we now live in, why didn't she pull McCain over the line?
I'm asking a serious question, not attacking. Palin was openly conservative, and her supporters, including me, crawled over John McCain and broken glass to vote for her. Plus, she was hot and related to middle America very well.
If a true conservative could win in this FSA world we now live in, why didn't she pull McCain over the line?
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 23, 2015 10:36 AM (T1Jm0)
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Flat tax, and abolish the IRS
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 10:36 AM (F1jFR)
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Cavil, the Ferguson mob writ large.
When the first incoming round hits the mob, watch them scatter.
When the first incoming round hits the mob, watch them scatter.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2015 10:37 AM (Ma5u/)
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Secure the borders
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 10:37 AM (F1jFR)
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Today's fresh hell will be interrupted for this important announcement from Teh Cruz Missile.
Yay!
Yay!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at March 23, 2015 10:37 AM (0HooB)
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'Hawkish foreign policy'? Given the chaos Obama is creating, our next President--of whatever party--will need to be the best war president in our history. Those foreign policy chickens are coming home, guaranteed. However dovish our new President might want to be is at odds with what the strategic challenges will be. At some point, even the most flaky, fucked-upbig 'L' libertarian has to fight.
I think that in the worlds current state of fuckupery a "hawkish Foreign Policy" is a resume enhancer.
I think that in the worlds current state of fuckupery a "hawkish Foreign Policy" is a resume enhancer.
Posted by: wrg500 at March 23, 2015 10:38 AM (S+el1)
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What the Prog-Soc Political-Media Complex wants to do to anyone who threatens their cushy little bubble world
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Rory-Kurtz-illustrations-15.jpg
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Rory-Kurtz-illustrations-15.jpg
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 23, 2015 10:38 AM (y4+1Q)
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For those who think Cruz can win because he's openly conservative, why did Sarah Palin do poorly?
I'm asking a serious question, not attacking. Palin was openly conservative, and her supporters, including me, crawled over John McCain and broken glass to vote for her. Plus, she was hot and related to middle America very well.
If a true conservative could win in this FSA world we now live in, why didn't she pull McCain over the line?
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 23, 2015 10:36 AM (T1Jm0)
New to American Politics? Remind me, what did Gov Palin every run for in the National level on her own?
I'm asking a serious question, not attacking. Palin was openly conservative, and her supporters, including me, crawled over John McCain and broken glass to vote for her. Plus, she was hot and related to middle America very well.
If a true conservative could win in this FSA world we now live in, why didn't she pull McCain over the line?
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 23, 2015 10:36 AM (T1Jm0)
New to American Politics? Remind me, what did Gov Palin every run for in the National level on her own?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 23, 2015 10:38 AM (rDqRv)
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why didn't she pull McCain over the line?
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 23, 2015 10:36 AM (T1Jm0)
Could have had something to do with the GOPe saboteurs in the McCain campaign undercutting her at every opportunity.
I know, crazy talk.
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 23, 2015 10:36 AM (T1Jm0)
Could have had something to do with the GOPe saboteurs in the McCain campaign undercutting her at every opportunity.
I know, crazy talk.
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 10:38 AM (h6Mpm)
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I believe Cruz did at least one of his debates with Dew from behind a podium. Look on youtube.
Posted by: DangerGirl, footloose and Partyfree at March 23, 2015 10:38 AM (Oqufv)
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JWest you are hallucinating
Posted by: ThunderB, Cruzader at March 23, 2015 10:38 AM (zOTsN)
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Oh man, can you imagine what a cow the Judiciary Committee would have over that nomination? Democrats usually try to disqualify GOP nominees on legal experience or surprise negative info.
With his education, clerkship and trial experience, they can't disqualify him on legal knowledge and experience. After his dealing with the slings and arrows of a presidential campaign, they won't be able to drop some surprise piece of oppo research either.
Character assassination is their only way out. Cant even imagine what BS we would start hearing.
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Oh man, can you imagine what a cow the Judiciary Committee would have over that nomination? Democrats usually try to disqualify GOP nominees on legal experience or surprise negative info.
With his education, clerkship and trial experience, they can't disqualify him on legal knowledge and experience. After his dealing with the slings and arrows of a presidential campaign, they won't be able to drop some surprise piece of oppo research either.
Character assassination is their only way out. Cant even imagine what BS we would start hearing.
Posted by: MTF, Vote for someone the GOP insiders hate! at March 23, 2015 10:38 AM (FCsIb)
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PolitiFact @PolitiFact
The Ted Cruz scorecard
True 2%
Mostly True 16%
Half True 16%
Mostly False 27%
False 30%
Pants on Fire 9%
PolitiFact, you are such a whore.
PolitiFact @PolitiFact
The Ted Cruz scorecard
True 2%
Mostly True 16%
Half True 16%
Mostly False 27%
False 30%
Pants on Fire 9%
PolitiFact, you are such a whore.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 23, 2015 10:38 AM (kdS6q)
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All of us down at the Brattleboro Women's Reproductive Health Choice
Clinic think that this Ted Cruise guy is a liar and does not like persons of color and people from foriegn lands. He is from the same stae that Bush is from and we all know Bush came from a Ex-Confederate State to this today still predijudice against persons with darker skin then his. No sir it does'nt take a brick wall to fall on us to recoginize that Presdent Obama and Huillary are they leaders of the future.
Clinic think that this Ted Cruise guy is a liar and does not like persons of color and people from foriegn lands. He is from the same stae that Bush is from and we all know Bush came from a Ex-Confederate State to this today still predijudice against persons with darker skin then his. No sir it does'nt take a brick wall to fall on us to recoginize that Presdent Obama and Huillary are they leaders of the future.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at March 23, 2015 10:39 AM (Sd++4)
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One thing you can't call Cruz, is squish.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 10:39 AM (F1jFR)
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...aaaaaand Glen Beck just called out Carl Rove:
http://tinyurl.com/my4hm3h
Gonna need some popcorn over here.
http://tinyurl.com/my4hm3h
Gonna need some popcorn over here.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 23, 2015 10:39 AM (DT3rQ)
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Eliminate Common Core
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 10:40 AM (F1jFR)
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If a true conservative could win in this FSA world we now live in, why didn't she pull McCain over the line?
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 23, 2015 10:36 AM (T1Jm0)
Not to rehash this argument again, but the only time the McCain campaign made any headway was after Sarah was picked and then delivered one of the best convention speeches ever. All of this progress was promptly derailed when McCain pulled a McCain.
Oh, and apparently VPs have no real impact on the candidate for whom people vote. I offer up Joe Biden as a prime example of how the VP selection is considered a throw away choice these days.
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 23, 2015 10:36 AM (T1Jm0)
Not to rehash this argument again, but the only time the McCain campaign made any headway was after Sarah was picked and then delivered one of the best convention speeches ever. All of this progress was promptly derailed when McCain pulled a McCain.
Oh, and apparently VPs have no real impact on the candidate for whom people vote. I offer up Joe Biden as a prime example of how the VP selection is considered a throw away choice these days.
Posted by: physics geek at March 23, 2015 10:40 AM (MT22W)
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Rickl, assuming the civil authorities have the Balzac to open fire. Again Ferguson, no one forcibly stepped in to stop the looting. In fact many in civil authority fanned the flames.
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If a true conservative could win in this FSA world we now live in, why didn't she pull McCain over the line?
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Because McCain was at the top of the ticket?
Juan McAmnesty was only ahead in the polls when Palin was basically driving the campaign.
Once McVain and the Schimdt GOPers got the reins back they managed to run perhaps the worst campaign in modern history*.
*With Romney 2012 and Dukakis 1988 being the other two contenders...
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Because McCain was at the top of the ticket?
Juan McAmnesty was only ahead in the polls when Palin was basically driving the campaign.
Once McVain and the Schimdt GOPers got the reins back they managed to run perhaps the worst campaign in modern history*.
*With Romney 2012 and Dukakis 1988 being the other two contenders...
Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2015 10:40 AM (78TbK)
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Grouchy Monday, everyone....
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 23, 2015 10:40 AM (LA7Cm)
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One thing you can't call Cruz, is squish.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 10:39 AM (F1jFR)
Oh, no, it's coming. Have no doubt.
Just wait for it . . .
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 10:39 AM (F1jFR)
Oh, no, it's coming. Have no doubt.
Just wait for it . . .
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 10:40 AM (h6Mpm)
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For those who think Cruz can win because he's openly conservative, why did Sarah Palin do poorly?
I thought John McCain lost the election, not SP. I'm no Palin apologist but it seems to me that JM was the reason for the defeat, not Palin.
For those who think Cruz can win because he's openly conservative, why did Sarah Palin do poorly?
I thought John McCain lost the election, not SP. I'm no Palin apologist but it seems to me that JM was the reason for the defeat, not Palin.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 23, 2015 10:40 AM (gfB4n)
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i'm confident cruz can work from behind a podium...#seriousyouguys
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 10:40 AM (u8GsB)
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For those who think Cruz can win because he's openly conservative, why did Sarah Palin do poorly?
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 23, 2015 10:36 AM
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Listen to some of Palin's speeches, and then Cruz's. It will come to you.
For those who think Cruz can win because he's openly conservative, why did Sarah Palin do poorly?
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 23, 2015 10:36 AM
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Listen to some of Palin's speeches, and then Cruz's. It will come to you.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2015 10:40 AM (2ePOO)
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If a true conservative could win in this FSA world we now live in, why didn't she pull McCain over the line?
McLame's own employees were actively working against her. As you noted, she was far more popular with average Americans than he was.
His ego wouldn't stand for that. He's way past his sell-by date and is in no way a conservative. Note how many times he agrees with the far-left radicals in this administration.
McLame's own employees were actively working against her. As you noted, she was far more popular with average Americans than he was.
His ego wouldn't stand for that. He's way past his sell-by date and is in no way a conservative. Note how many times he agrees with the far-left radicals in this administration.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at March 23, 2015 10:40 AM (0HooB)
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Cavil, the Ferguson mob writ large.
When the first incoming round hits the mob, watch them scatter.
Ayup. They lack proper seasoning for shock troops.
That is, unless they bring in someone to back them.
Blue helmets, anyone?
When the first incoming round hits the mob, watch them scatter.
Ayup. They lack proper seasoning for shock troops.
That is, unless they bring in someone to back them.
Blue helmets, anyone?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 23, 2015 10:41 AM (DT3rQ)
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NO VP Candidate EVER pulled any Presidential Candidate over the line. Wake up and smell the coffee, just not at Starbucks
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 23, 2015 10:41 AM (rDqRv)
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yes, i'm all in for Cruz.......
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 10:41 AM (u8GsB)
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Unapologetic support of Israel
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 10:41 AM (F1jFR)
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i'm confident cruz can work from behind a podium...#seriousyouguys
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 10:40 AM (u8GsB)
But can he read from a teleprompter?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 10:40 AM (u8GsB)
But can he read from a teleprompter?
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 10:41 AM (h6Mpm)
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Drew is just laying out his talking points for the next year or two, "hawk", "socon", "unelectable". Get used to them, you'll be seeing a variation on those themes every day between now and the nomination.
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 23, 2015 10:41 AM (2cS/G)
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Stands unapologetically with the nation of Israel
Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 23, 2015 10:41 AM (zOTsN)
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WTF did Carl Rove say about Cruz.
Posted by: Seems Legit at March 23, 2015 10:41 AM (A98Xu)
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f you Iran
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 10:41 AM (u8GsB)
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Drew...
The reason there are "birthers" is that you cannot prove what you wrote about Cruz, about Obama..
His "birth certificate" is not a birth cert. and his story is demonstrably "hazy" on purpose.
So please can the "tsk tsk birthers" crap..
The reason there are "birthers" is that you cannot prove what you wrote about Cruz, about Obama..
His "birth certificate" is not a birth cert. and his story is demonstrably "hazy" on purpose.
So please can the "tsk tsk birthers" crap..
Posted by: catman at March 23, 2015 10:42 AM (6Xfzi)
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Stands unapologetically with the nation of Israel
Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 23, 2015 10:41 AM (zOTsN)
Loudest ovation yet.
Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 23, 2015 10:41 AM (zOTsN)
Loudest ovation yet.
Posted by: Golfman - We Have No Hill at March 23, 2015 10:42 AM (iVjJr)
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Yeah the Smurfs of the Useless Nitwits called in by the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to 'ensure fair elections.'
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 23, 2015 10:42 AM (y4+1Q)
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we will call it by it's name
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 10:42 AM (u8GsB)
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We will call radical Islam....by its name.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 10:42 AM (F1jFR)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 23, 2015 10:43 AM (BZAd3)
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345 Grouchy Monday, everyone....
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 23, 2015 10:40 AM (LA7Cm)
Hrmph? Grrrr... *grumble grumble*
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 23, 2015 10:40 AM (LA7Cm)
Hrmph? Grrrr... *grumble grumble*
Posted by: Insomniac at March 23, 2015 10:43 AM (2Ojst)
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Just gave Ted some cash!
Posted by: Iblis at March 23, 2015 10:43 AM (U0ndG)
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Statutory Construction - every word means something. If all you had to be was a citizen at birth, the requirement would be "born citizen." It is not, ergo "natural born citizen means something other than being a citizen at birth. Indeed, Congress most likely has the ability to give retroactive citizenship (Maryland did it for Lafayette) so Putin could run given his powers of persuasion, if all that was needed was to grant him citizenship at the time of his birth.
I really wish people would stop ignoring the word "natural" in the clause. We Cruz birthers do not doubt that he was born a citizen. We doubt he is a natural born citizen. And again, if Hildabeest's people can find one federal judge in Texas to issue a Temporary Restraining Order the first Monday of November, 2016 - Cruz will not be on the ballot in Texas. Probably a lot of other states as well. This could also be done afterwards, but to keep his electoral votes from being counted. A vote for Jeb is a vote for Killary, but ironically, a vote for Cruz is as well.
Work at putting Cruz on the Supreme Court. At the very least, amend the Constitution by excising the word "natural"
I really wish people would stop ignoring the word "natural" in the clause. We Cruz birthers do not doubt that he was born a citizen. We doubt he is a natural born citizen. And again, if Hildabeest's people can find one federal judge in Texas to issue a Temporary Restraining Order the first Monday of November, 2016 - Cruz will not be on the ballot in Texas. Probably a lot of other states as well. This could also be done afterwards, but to keep his electoral votes from being counted. A vote for Jeb is a vote for Killary, but ironically, a vote for Cruz is as well.
Work at putting Cruz on the Supreme Court. At the very least, amend the Constitution by excising the word "natural"
Posted by: algore at March 23, 2015 10:43 AM (B+ujR)
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I hate to invoke Saint Ronald, but Reagan was (in some circles) an unelectable nut job too at one time, was he not?
Posted by: filbert
Very much so and good of you to bring that up. My concern is that the GOPe has become so much of a monolith that once they throw their money and weight behind the Democrats and Media against Cruz he won't have the chance Ronny had. Ted is not as personable and there needs to be some Populist fraction calling for him. I personally think he has the common sense vote and he can make the substantive policy and direction of the Country arguments but Ronny had some of the Media loving him even while they hated him and he also had to make several runs at the big cookie..
Remember Thad Cochran.
Posted by: filbert
Very much so and good of you to bring that up. My concern is that the GOPe has become so much of a monolith that once they throw their money and weight behind the Democrats and Media against Cruz he won't have the chance Ronny had. Ted is not as personable and there needs to be some Populist fraction calling for him. I personally think he has the common sense vote and he can make the substantive policy and direction of the Country arguments but Ronny had some of the Media loving him even while they hated him and he also had to make several runs at the big cookie..
Remember Thad Cochran.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at March 23, 2015 10:43 AM (NHtMs)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 10:43 AM (ZPrif)
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Blue helmets, anyone?
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Based on the history of the effectiveness of the Blue Helmets I wouldn't be worried.
They ran from the Serbs in Yugoslavia. They'll run against anyone else if not forced to fight...
From the perspective of your average soldier forced to "fight" for the UN why the hell would you risk your life?
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Based on the history of the effectiveness of the Blue Helmets I wouldn't be worried.
They ran from the Serbs in Yugoslavia. They'll run against anyone else if not forced to fight...
From the perspective of your average soldier forced to "fight" for the UN why the hell would you risk your life?
Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2015 10:43 AM (78TbK)
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Blue helmets, anyone?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 23, 2015 10:41 AM (DT3rQ)
*snort*
Between drugging themselves up, cowering in their bases, taking bribes, and forming rape squads, yeah, UN intervention in Ferguson would be a real improvement, wouldn't it?
/sarc
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 23, 2015 10:41 AM (DT3rQ)
*snort*
Between drugging themselves up, cowering in their bases, taking bribes, and forming rape squads, yeah, UN intervention in Ferguson would be a real improvement, wouldn't it?
/sarc
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 10:43 AM (h6Mpm)
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For those who think Cruz can win because he's openly conservative, why did Sarah Palin do poorly?
Mostly because the media ganged up and trashed her like no one has ever been trashed before. But also partly because even though Sarah Palin had a fair grasp of conservative principles, and had some decent rhetorical flourishes, she never was able to connect conservative principles to how they benefit voters.
It's all well and good to talk about reducing Government, lowering taxes, reforming entitlements and regulatory... but you only understand why these are good policies if you are already conservative. The rest of the public needs to have it explained to them how they benefit from these problems. Frankly, conservatives suck at making that connection.
Mostly because the media ganged up and trashed her like no one has ever been trashed before. But also partly because even though Sarah Palin had a fair grasp of conservative principles, and had some decent rhetorical flourishes, she never was able to connect conservative principles to how they benefit voters.
It's all well and good to talk about reducing Government, lowering taxes, reforming entitlements and regulatory... but you only understand why these are good policies if you are already conservative. The rest of the public needs to have it explained to them how they benefit from these problems. Frankly, conservatives suck at making that connection.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 23, 2015 10:43 AM (4YKBD)
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Where's his teleprompter?
He doesn't look like he's watching a tennis match, at all!
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 23, 2015 10:43 AM (BZAd3)
Not his first "Opening Argument".
He doesn't look like he's watching a tennis match, at all!
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 23, 2015 10:43 AM (BZAd3)
Not his first "Opening Argument".
Posted by: Golfman - We Have No Hill at March 23, 2015 10:43 AM (iVjJr)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 10:44 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 23, 2015 10:44 AM (Fr8iN)
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Happy Monday Ricardo. One your state's sons is on the tv. It's a good day.
Posted by: fairweatherbill at March 23, 2015 10:44 AM (xrURQ)
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So far he not said one word I disagree with and he mostly said it exactly how I would say it
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 23, 2015 10:44 AM (rDqRv)
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Saint Ronny
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 23, 2015 10:45 AM (F1jFR)
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cruz wasn't electable when he got elected.......
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 10:45 AM (u8GsB)
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I love it how the same little "c's" who are desperately desirous of SMOD complain about how Cruz is a "flamethrower".
Well gee- what do you think's going to happen when SMOD hits atmo?
Well gee- what do you think's going to happen when SMOD hits atmo?
Posted by: Fringe at March 23, 2015 10:45 AM (oWl4T)
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There are three junior Senators in the mix right now: Rubio, Paul, and Cruz. There are legitimate reasons to not want to elect a green Senator, not the least of which is that these guys started under Harry Reid's thumb which meant they couldn't achieve much of anything during that time.
Here's how I see their experience:
Rubio is a career politician. Like Walker, he got his start in local/state politics and moved up, entering the US Senate in 2011. He's "accomplished" the most in the Senate. Sadly for him, the biggest accomplishment involved stepping on his johnson with the base by trying to cut a deal no conservatives wanted with Democrats while the Democrats were in power. He got thoroughly rolled. That said, Rubio is clearly being groomed by GOP leadership for bigger and better things which means he gets more opportunities to look good. (That's fine. That's politics -- being able to suck up to the people doling out the power.)
Rand was in private life before entering government service and politics working as an ophthalmologist. As far as I can glean, he entered politics as a grassroots activist and was popular enough to win a U.S. Senate seat on his first attempt (in 2011). Like Cruz, he was part of the "shutdown." Like Cruz, he is a vocal champion of many of the fiscal conservative positions that the base holds dear. Rand has been able to play both sides of the political fence with the power brokers: making nice with McConnell as needed while still maintaining trust with a subset of the "the base." However, Rand has also sought out opportunities to bash the GOP as being unfriendly to blacks, most notably during the MO primary battle and the Ferguson riots. His father is kookoobananas. His father's followers probably account for a large portion of Rand's support, including during CPAC.
Cruz started his career in law (judicial clerkships, briefly private practice), then worked in public office for a number of years (including in the DoJ), rising to the position of Solicitor General of Texas for five years. During that time authored 70 United States Supreme Court briefs and presented 43 oral arguments, including nine before the United States Supreme Court. He holds the record for the most cases argued (five won) before SCOTUS of anyone in Congress. Many in the base love him because of his principled stands and eloquent expression of core conservative beliefs. The GOPe hates him, as do the Progressives.
To me, there is simply no comparison between Cruz and the other two (or Obama). Cruz is not unaccomplished or inexperienced. He is not a wild card or unknown quantity. The Obama comparisons some of made are ludicrous, frankly. In fact, of the three, I'd say Rubio's career most closely parallels Obamas.
Cruz is not "my guy" because it's too early for me to have one.
I was a little surprised he announced so early given that I haven't heard much about him having big money backers.
That may mean his purpose in running is more about framing the issues and shifting the debate to the Right and less about winning. I'm cool with that. He and his wife (on whom a hit piece was dropped a week or so ago) are doing us a service, frankly.
YMMV.
Here's how I see their experience:
Rubio is a career politician. Like Walker, he got his start in local/state politics and moved up, entering the US Senate in 2011. He's "accomplished" the most in the Senate. Sadly for him, the biggest accomplishment involved stepping on his johnson with the base by trying to cut a deal no conservatives wanted with Democrats while the Democrats were in power. He got thoroughly rolled. That said, Rubio is clearly being groomed by GOP leadership for bigger and better things which means he gets more opportunities to look good. (That's fine. That's politics -- being able to suck up to the people doling out the power.)
Rand was in private life before entering government service and politics working as an ophthalmologist. As far as I can glean, he entered politics as a grassroots activist and was popular enough to win a U.S. Senate seat on his first attempt (in 2011). Like Cruz, he was part of the "shutdown." Like Cruz, he is a vocal champion of many of the fiscal conservative positions that the base holds dear. Rand has been able to play both sides of the political fence with the power brokers: making nice with McConnell as needed while still maintaining trust with a subset of the "the base." However, Rand has also sought out opportunities to bash the GOP as being unfriendly to blacks, most notably during the MO primary battle and the Ferguson riots. His father is kookoobananas. His father's followers probably account for a large portion of Rand's support, including during CPAC.
Cruz started his career in law (judicial clerkships, briefly private practice), then worked in public office for a number of years (including in the DoJ), rising to the position of Solicitor General of Texas for five years. During that time authored 70 United States Supreme Court briefs and presented 43 oral arguments, including nine before the United States Supreme Court. He holds the record for the most cases argued (five won) before SCOTUS of anyone in Congress. Many in the base love him because of his principled stands and eloquent expression of core conservative beliefs. The GOPe hates him, as do the Progressives.
To me, there is simply no comparison between Cruz and the other two (or Obama). Cruz is not unaccomplished or inexperienced. He is not a wild card or unknown quantity. The Obama comparisons some of made are ludicrous, frankly. In fact, of the three, I'd say Rubio's career most closely parallels Obamas.
Cruz is not "my guy" because it's too early for me to have one.
I was a little surprised he announced so early given that I haven't heard much about him having big money backers.
That may mean his purpose in running is more about framing the issues and shifting the debate to the Right and less about winning. I'm cool with that. He and his wife (on whom a hit piece was dropped a week or so ago) are doing us a service, frankly.
YMMV.
Posted by: Y-not at March 23, 2015 10:45 AM (9BRsg)
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LIBERTY!!!!!!!!
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 23, 2015 10:45 AM (u8GsB)
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"I like Cruz on shrinking government, kind of less thrilled on his hawkish foreign policy but interested to see how that plays out but not being a social-con it's hard to see getting too excited about him."
See, this is the biggest problem of all. People who want to divide into their little "SoCon - FisCon" categories.
Wake up, people. You can't genuinely be a FisCon without being a SoCon because only SoCon social policies result in less "need" for expansive, all-encompassing government intrusion.
See, this is the biggest problem of all. People who want to divide into their little "SoCon - FisCon" categories.
Wake up, people. You can't genuinely be a FisCon without being a SoCon because only SoCon social policies result in less "need" for expansive, all-encompassing government intrusion.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at March 23, 2015 10:46 AM (YYJjz)
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At this point, what difference does it make since we aren't republicans and will actively support Dems because that will get us what we want, somehow ...
Posted by: Pedantic Joe, Buff for life at March 23, 2015 10:46 AM (PhNHa)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 23, 2015 10:46 AM (y4+1Q)
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Some perspective on Iran:
http://tinyurl.com/lu8z48t
Quds force soldier selfie on an Abrams tank.
http://tinyurl.com/lu8z48t
Quds force soldier selfie on an Abrams tank.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 23, 2015 10:46 AM (BZAd3)
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Today is the anniversary of that POS legislation ACA (bullshit) that's why Cruz announced today.
Posted by: Seems Legit at March 23, 2015 10:47 AM (A98Xu)
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Charles C. W. Cooke charlescwcooke*
I have my own set of strong criticisms**, as you know. He's certainly not my preferred candidate.
*@Hogwarts.edu
**of Ted Cruz
Charles C. W. Cooke charlescwcooke*
I have my own set of strong criticisms**, as you know. He's certainly not my preferred candidate.
*@Hogwarts.edu
**of Ted Cruz
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 23, 2015 10:47 AM (kdS6q)
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Who is? Seriously who?
Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 23, 2015 10:48 AM (zOTsN)
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@382
Oh and Cruz has been in the Senate less time than the other two, so Rubio and Paul had better have twice the "accomplishments" in the Senate if we're going to go by that yardstick. Just sayin'.
Oh and Cruz has been in the Senate less time than the other two, so Rubio and Paul had better have twice the "accomplishments" in the Senate if we're going to go by that yardstick. Just sayin'.
Posted by: Y-not at March 23, 2015 10:48 AM (9BRsg)
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I've said it before but: Cruz got a higher percentage of the Hispanic vote in West Texas than Obama.
Let that sink in.
They voted for Obama on the top of the ticket but choose Cruz for Senator.
Now: Imagine a Catholic who will be running against the inevitable abortion candidate.
Why did Wendy Davis lose so badly?
Abbott ran proudly pro-life and ran near non-stop commercials with his Hispanic mother-in-law.
That was a preview of Cruz vs. Hillary.
Let that sink in.
They voted for Obama on the top of the ticket but choose Cruz for Senator.
Now: Imagine a Catholic who will be running against the inevitable abortion candidate.
Why did Wendy Davis lose so badly?
Abbott ran proudly pro-life and ran near non-stop commercials with his Hispanic mother-in-law.
That was a preview of Cruz vs. Hillary.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 23, 2015 10:48 AM (ZvKdv)
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I support Cruz simply because I know neither the GOPe nor the democrats will like him.
It's time to stop worrying about what everyone will think, and to start convincing them through rational discussion that the people on the TV are the crazy people, and Ted Cruz's limited government is not crazy.
Simple giving up because the media has labeled someone "unelectable" is exactly how you keep ending up with candidates that you cry and whine about later.
It's time to stop worrying about what everyone will think, and to start convincing them through rational discussion that the people on the TV are the crazy people, and Ted Cruz's limited government is not crazy.
Simple giving up because the media has labeled someone "unelectable" is exactly how you keep ending up with candidates that you cry and whine about later.
Posted by: Reality Man at March 23, 2015 10:48 AM (9AQdP)
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Why should I give a shit what Charles Cooke says about Cruz?
Posted by: Seems Legit at March 23, 2015 10:49 AM (A98Xu)
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Cruz/Gomert/Gowdy!
Posted by: maddogg at March 23, 2015 10:49 AM (xWW96)
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I've got the perfect candidate: Drew M... just ask him.
Posted by: Colonel Haiku at March 23, 2015 10:49 AM (Y8JQ4)
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Thanks for the answers on Sarah Palin, everyone. I hope you're right.
If Cruz can win the nom, I'll work for him. Until then, I'll stick with SMOD, or maybe Walker.
As to Cruz's eligibility . . . ridiculous. Hoover was born out of the US and became president. Obama had a foreign father, won president. McCain was born outside the country and no court stopped his run. Cruz is eligible.
If Cruz can win the nom, I'll work for him. Until then, I'll stick with SMOD, or maybe Walker.
As to Cruz's eligibility . . . ridiculous. Hoover was born out of the US and became president. Obama had a foreign father, won president. McCain was born outside the country and no court stopped his run. Cruz is eligible.
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 23, 2015 10:49 AM (T1Jm0)
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Love me some Ted Cruz
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 23, 2015 10:50 AM (rDqRv)
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Yeah, the Pundit Class on the Right hates Cruz cause they think he's an icky so-con.
The Conservative Twitterati mostly are shitting on his speech.
The Conservative Twitterati mostly are shitting on his speech.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 10:50 AM (ZPrif)
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That may mean his purpose in running is more about framing the issues and shifting the debate to the Right and less about winning. Posted by: Y-not at March 23, 2015 10:45 AM (9BRsg)
I agree, and by coming out early, his ideas will have the whole stage for a time until other candidates announce. And they will be reacting to him, instead of putting out their own ideas.
I agree, and by coming out early, his ideas will have the whole stage for a time until other candidates announce. And they will be reacting to him, instead of putting out their own ideas.
Posted by: Iblis at March 23, 2015 10:50 AM (U0ndG)
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Even the DJ on the local NPR station started in on Cruz this morning, calling him a "clown."
I'm going long on popcorn futures.
I'm going long on popcorn futures.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at March 23, 2015 10:50 AM (0HooB)
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More important stuff: What's Rick's grp problem? That the people in the compound are weak, refuse to fight, and will lose the town? Sure. And I wonder if everyone in the town knows that if attacked the others will abandoned them to be eaten.
More important stuff: What's Rick's grp problem? That the people in the compound are weak, refuse to fight, and will lose the town? Sure. And I wonder if everyone in the town knows that if attacked the others will abandoned them to be eaten.
Posted by: Bruce J. at March 23, 2015 10:50 AM (iQIUe)
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Art thread up.
Posted by: HH at March 23, 2015 10:50 AM (Ce4DF)
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Blue helmets, anyone?
***
Based on the history of the effectiveness of the Blue Helmets I wouldn't be worried.
Blue helmets = foreign military on US soil. I would have no compunction in going Benghazi on them.
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Based on the history of the effectiveness of the Blue Helmets I wouldn't be worried.
Blue helmets = foreign military on US soil. I would have no compunction in going Benghazi on them.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 23, 2015 10:50 AM (Ma5u/)
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I just don't trust the other guys
Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 23, 2015 10:50 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: McCool at March 23, 2015 10:51 AM (TQxRy)
407
art up
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 23, 2015 10:51 AM (wlDny)
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Wake up, people. You can't genuinely be a FisCon without being a SoCon because only SoCon social policies result in less "need" for expansive, all-encompassing government intrusion.
Similarly, you can't really be a SoCon without being a FiCon- since Social Conservatism necessitates lower government spending (or at least lower taxes), so that people have funds to take care of themselves and their neighbors.
Similarly, you can't really be a SoCon without being a FiCon- since Social Conservatism necessitates lower government spending (or at least lower taxes), so that people have funds to take care of themselves and their neighbors.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 10:51 AM (kff5f)
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I want Cruz to run & hope it stops Rand from doing so.
He is the only one of a few that fight for us? DC establishment hates him, media hates him, conservatives love him.
LIBERTY! Abolish IRS & make DC Listen - I'm on board!
He is the only one of a few that fight for us? DC establishment hates him, media hates him, conservatives love him.
LIBERTY! Abolish IRS & make DC Listen - I'm on board!
Posted by: Carol at March 23, 2015 10:51 AM (sj3Ax)
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324
For those who think Cruz can win because he's openly conservative, why did Sarah Palin do poorly?
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They have nothing in common, except being conservative. The answer to your question probably lies elsewhere, in the vast array of differences, rather than the one thing they agree upon.
For those who think Cruz can win because he's openly conservative, why did Sarah Palin do poorly?
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They have nothing in common, except being conservative. The answer to your question probably lies elsewhere, in the vast array of differences, rather than the one thing they agree upon.
Posted by: MTF, Vote for someone the GOP insiders hate! at March 23, 2015 10:52 AM (FCsIb)
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Most of the conservative pundit class are big city, non-religious social liberals. They find Cruz icky. They find Liberty U icky. Cause Reasons and Icky Sky God.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 10:52 AM (ZPrif)
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Cruz or Walker. Either one I'd be happy to vote for.
If Jeb or Rand win the nomination then I'll know the process has been rigged. I'll vote, but the prez section of the ballot will be blank.
If Jeb or Rand win the nomination then I'll know the process has been rigged. I'll vote, but the prez section of the ballot will be blank.
Posted by: Soona at March 23, 2015 10:52 AM (LZi/r)
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Forget Herbert Hoover, he was not born outside the US as I thought. Wasn't there a president born outside the US? My memory is holding out until I give it more coffee.
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 23, 2015 10:52 AM (T1Jm0)
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Any link to the whole speech? I only caught the end on livestream
Posted by: Iblis at March 23, 2015 10:52 AM (U0ndG)
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WSJ has live player for speech but I use different browser here.
Posted by: Carol at March 23, 2015 10:52 AM (sj3Ax)
416
He'll be a disaster in the general because...you said so?
That's the sort of stuff said by so-called moderates, who have driven the GOP into the ground.
That's the sort of stuff said by so-called moderates, who have driven the GOP into the ground.
Posted by: unfatmatt at March 23, 2015 10:53 AM (kyTFr)
417
Well God bless him.
Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 23, 2015 10:53 AM (zOTsN)
418
The Conservative Twitterati mostly are shitting on his speech.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 10:50 AM (ZPrif)
Boy ain't that the truth. Good grief...I feel a lot of 'unfollow' coming on.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 10:50 AM (ZPrif)
Boy ain't that the truth. Good grief...I feel a lot of 'unfollow' coming on.
Posted by: Tami at March 23, 2015 10:53 AM (v0/PR)
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The "unelectable" tag is exactly what the Bushies tried to stick on Reagan. It wasn't successful. Cruz will have to take this claim on every single day he campaigns in one shape or another, and we will see how he does.
Posted by: MTF, Vote for someone the GOP insiders hate! at March 23, 2015 10:54 AM (FCsIb)
420
A podium is a thing you stand on. You speak from behind a lectern.
If you're behind the podium, things have gotten bad out there.
If you're behind the podium, things have gotten bad out there.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 23, 2015 10:54 AM (xq1UY)
421
The Right Scoop website usually has best speeches. I know they had link.
Posted by: Carol at March 23, 2015 10:54 AM (sj3Ax)
422
The Conservative Twitterati are useless as a barometer of anything. They have to Tweet something, anything, that they think will make them part of a larger conversation and they all loving hearing themselves Tweet, makes them feel "leading edge" to take an anti-Cruz stance as soon as they see some Cruz momentum. If the Internet is a playground, Twitter is the sandbox filled with cat poop.
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 23, 2015 10:55 AM (2cS/G)
423
The conservative candidate who can get 60% of the black vote by advocating replacing Social Security with Individual Retirement Accounts will sweep the country.
Posted by: jwest at March 23, 2015 10:55 AM (9ZZd+)
Posted by: Paul at March 23, 2015 10:56 AM (w/Cp2)
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If Jeb or Rand win the nomination then I'll know the process has been
rigged. I'll vote, but the prez section of the ballot will be blank.
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Jeb can't win the general, but even if he did he would govern no differently then Hillary. If he wins the primary I'm voting third party for president again.
Rand Paul would be different though. He would try to make some conservative changes on things like spending. So I would probably vote for him...though I wouldn't want to be in that position.
rigged. I'll vote, but the prez section of the ballot will be blank.
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Jeb can't win the general, but even if he did he would govern no differently then Hillary. If he wins the primary I'm voting third party for president again.
Rand Paul would be different though. He would try to make some conservative changes on things like spending. So I would probably vote for him...though I wouldn't want to be in that position.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 23, 2015 10:56 AM (78TbK)
426
Stephen Hayes loved it
Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 23, 2015 10:56 AM (zOTsN)
427
"Forget Herbert Hoover, he was not born outside the US as I thought. Wasn't there a president born outside the US? My memory is holding out until I give it more coffee."
Chester A. Arthur was a dirty, lowdown Canadian*
* not really, but it makes for good press
Chester A. Arthur was a dirty, lowdown Canadian*
* not really, but it makes for good press
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at March 23, 2015 10:56 AM (YYJjz)
428
410 324
For those who think Cruz can win because he's openly conservative, why did Sarah Palin do poorly?
Two reasons, first she was relentlessly hit from the press and her own side. Second she frankly isn't as polished, nor seems to have the skill to explain concisely why she believes what she believes. She knows conservatism is good, but doesn't seem to know the principles that make it so or have the ability to express them. At least in 2008.
For those who think Cruz can win because he's openly conservative, why did Sarah Palin do poorly?
Two reasons, first she was relentlessly hit from the press and her own side. Second she frankly isn't as polished, nor seems to have the skill to explain concisely why she believes what she believes. She knows conservatism is good, but doesn't seem to know the principles that make it so or have the ability to express them. At least in 2008.
Posted by: Iblis at March 23, 2015 10:56 AM (U0ndG)
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@ 411 - "Most of the conservative pundit class are big city, non-religious social liberals. They find Cruz icky. They find Liberty U icky. Cause Reasons and Icky Sky God."
Wait...you say that like you don't think the conservative pundit class are the most important thing in the world. I'm sure you're wrong about that...just ask them.
Wait...you say that like you don't think the conservative pundit class are the most important thing in the world. I'm sure you're wrong about that...just ask them.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at March 23, 2015 11:00 AM (YYJjz)
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at March 23, 2015 11:00 AM (NHtMs)
431
No way am I going to spend the next two years attacking RNC candidates. I'm sick of that shit. Vote for them or dont. But dont go ragging for the next two years. That shit got OLD.
No way am I going to spend the next two years attacking RNC candidates. I'm sick of that shit. Vote for them or dont. But dont go ragging for the next two years. That shit got OLD.
Posted by: Bruce J. at March 23, 2015 11:01 AM (iQIUe)
432
Wasn't there a president born outside the US?
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And I'm pretty sure LBJ and Dubya were born in Texas.
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And I'm pretty sure LBJ and Dubya were born in Texas.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at March 23, 2015 11:04 AM (NHtMs)
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And anyone who has two repeat why so and so can never in every other comment in every thread shd be banned. That nasty bitch illinidiva was famous for it. Now she is over at HA telling everyone why they are wrong about the Pope. She's a hard core leftard and will lie and deny it.
Posted by: Bruce J. at March 23, 2015 11:04 AM (iQIUe)
434
The idea that a true conservative can't win comes from a combination of short-term thinking and media bullying.
I don't think a conservative has a good shot at winning their first campaign for President. They likely need to take a principled stand, run a credible campaign and come in second or third at least once to lay the groundwork, like Reagan did from 76 to 80 (and keeping in mind his extensive track record at that time, some guys like Cruz probably need more than one losing effort).
The candidate first has to learn how to penetrate the media myth-making machine and allow the public to see the candidate isn't an ogreish cartoon figure after all. A conservative has to fight through the media and it will likely take years and multiple campaigns to make a true impression stick.
Events can help as well. For instance on "hawkish" foreign policy, Reagan's muscular defense strategy didn't sit well with post-Vietnam America, but by 1980 leftist aggression and the passage of time had changed the environment. ISIS and Iran are helping set the stage not so much for 2016 but what comes after - a time when Iraq and Afghanistan "quagmire" sentiments will have faded and a proactive foreign policy looks more justified than it does to some today.
I don't think a conservative has a good shot at winning their first campaign for President. They likely need to take a principled stand, run a credible campaign and come in second or third at least once to lay the groundwork, like Reagan did from 76 to 80 (and keeping in mind his extensive track record at that time, some guys like Cruz probably need more than one losing effort).
The candidate first has to learn how to penetrate the media myth-making machine and allow the public to see the candidate isn't an ogreish cartoon figure after all. A conservative has to fight through the media and it will likely take years and multiple campaigns to make a true impression stick.
Events can help as well. For instance on "hawkish" foreign policy, Reagan's muscular defense strategy didn't sit well with post-Vietnam America, but by 1980 leftist aggression and the passage of time had changed the environment. ISIS and Iran are helping set the stage not so much for 2016 but what comes after - a time when Iraq and Afghanistan "quagmire" sentiments will have faded and a proactive foreign policy looks more justified than it does to some today.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 23, 2015 11:04 AM (QKIQb)
435
...can never win in...
Posted by: Bruce J. at March 23, 2015 11:05 AM (iQIUe)
436
"Most cons who are wringing their hands today over the prospect of Cruz prefer Rand."
I don't like Rand. I also don't like Cruz, because I see him as a cheerleader. The Limbaughs of the party are great for motivating a part of the movement, and that's about it. I prefer governors over senators because governors get tested beyond elections, so we can really see how Conservative they are. A senator can be a blowhard who just gives pleasing speeches, votes to keep their Conservative voting rating high, and not actually accomplish anything. The shutdown happened because the RINOe/squishes gave him what he said he wanted, and he ended up doing squat. That's the next Reagan? Whatever.
"yes, he's eligible for president."
I know that, but I'm really looking forward to the wing of the party that tears down every candidate for not being anti-amnesty enough to go after Cruz. I watched in horror as some of my candidates were torn down that way. It's the Cruz's fanboys turn.
I don't like Rand. I also don't like Cruz, because I see him as a cheerleader. The Limbaughs of the party are great for motivating a part of the movement, and that's about it. I prefer governors over senators because governors get tested beyond elections, so we can really see how Conservative they are. A senator can be a blowhard who just gives pleasing speeches, votes to keep their Conservative voting rating high, and not actually accomplish anything. The shutdown happened because the RINOe/squishes gave him what he said he wanted, and he ended up doing squat. That's the next Reagan? Whatever.
"yes, he's eligible for president."
I know that, but I'm really looking forward to the wing of the party that tears down every candidate for not being anti-amnesty enough to go after Cruz. I watched in horror as some of my candidates were torn down that way. It's the Cruz's fanboys turn.
Posted by: Shoot Me at March 23, 2015 11:06 AM (EQcfE)
437
The Conservative Twitterati mostly are shitting on his speech.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 10:50 AM (ZPrif)
Fuck them.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 23, 2015 10:50 AM (ZPrif)
Fuck them.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 23, 2015 11:08 AM (zF6Iw)
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>>"But let's be honest, the odds of him winning the nomination are pretty low and he'd probably be a disaster in the general (though not much worse than Jeb will be).
"Let's be honest"? Okay -- that's an utterly unsupportable statement at this point. Many said the same thing about Reagan's chances in the general.
"Let's be honest"? Okay -- that's an utterly unsupportable statement at this point. Many said the same thing about Reagan's chances in the general.
Posted by: rrpjr at March 23, 2015 11:08 AM (s/yC1)
439
The thing that I wish our side would understand is, our country is not some secret, closet hard right electorate just waiting for the right candidate.
This fantasy has been pushed by the base forever. Run a "real" conservative and watch the landslides roll in. It's just not so. Reagan from 30 years ago keeps getting pointed to, but this is just not the same country.
As much as I would love to believe this idea of America being rock ribbed conservative, if it were true, Obama would not have won back to back elections.
Sometimes you need a Republican that's willing to come off as moderate to fool people, it's part of the game.
Cruz is going to type cast himself as the hard right candidate all through the primaries, he's going to make sure to outdo every Republican on purity and then he's going to be dead in the water in the general.
This fantasy has been pushed by the base forever. Run a "real" conservative and watch the landslides roll in. It's just not so. Reagan from 30 years ago keeps getting pointed to, but this is just not the same country.
As much as I would love to believe this idea of America being rock ribbed conservative, if it were true, Obama would not have won back to back elections.
Sometimes you need a Republican that's willing to come off as moderate to fool people, it's part of the game.
Cruz is going to type cast himself as the hard right candidate all through the primaries, he's going to make sure to outdo every Republican on purity and then he's going to be dead in the water in the general.
Posted by: Kal at March 23, 2015 11:09 AM (Qjxsx)
440
Cruz's speech was good.
I still wish Susana Martinez would run. She's not as conservative, but she's an experienced governor who could get some women and latino votes. To turn the country back from the cliff, first we have to win.
I still wish Susana Martinez would run. She's not as conservative, but she's an experienced governor who could get some women and latino votes. To turn the country back from the cliff, first we have to win.
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 23, 2015 11:10 AM (T1Jm0)
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>>419 The "unelectable" tag is exactly what the Bushies tried to stick on Reagan. It wasn't successful. Cruz will have to take this claim on every single day he campaigns in one shape or another, and we will see how he does.
osted by: MTF, Vote for someone the GOP insiders hate! at March 23, 2015 10:54 AM (FCsIb)>>
Yes. That's it.
osted by: MTF, Vote for someone the GOP insiders hate! at March 23, 2015 10:54 AM (FCsIb)>>
Yes. That's it.
Posted by: rrpjr at March 23, 2015 11:10 AM (s/yC1)
442
After Boehner and McConnell caved on funding EO Amnesty, I registered as an Independent. Only a conservative like Cruz or Walker could get me back to vote GOP. If we do indeed get Jeb, fck 'em.
Posted by: jrg at March 23, 2015 11:12 AM (qrNtI)
443
>>Cruz is going to type cast himself as the hard right candidate all through the primaries, he's going to make sure to outdo every Republican on purity and then he's going to be dead in the water in the general.
Posted by: Kal at March 23, 2015 11:09 AM (Qjxsx)>>
You're imbibed the Narrative. That's not Cruz at all. Wait and watch.
Posted by: Kal at March 23, 2015 11:09 AM (Qjxsx)>>
You're imbibed the Narrative. That's not Cruz at all. Wait and watch.
Posted by: rrpjr at March 23, 2015 11:13 AM (s/yC1)
444
What, only two posts on 'natural born citizen'?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 23, 2015 11:13 AM (NaeCR)
445
Cruz 2016 !!! Drew you sound like a Bush supporter in 1980.
Posted by: Billygoatpuke at March 23, 2015 11:14 AM (l5QMI)
446
Don't care where he was born, he's a senator - no executive experience - and while I like the cut of his constitutional-interpretation jib, I don't see qualifications for higher office here.
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Posted by: acat at March 23, 2015 11:16 AM (XN/4q)
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"*@Hogwarts.edu"
Heh. I'm not as anti-Cooke as many of my fellow Purist Fanatics here are. That said, Cooke suffers from the same myopia as other conservative Brits like Delingpole when he covers American politics. UKIP is considered crazy-con in Britain and while I admire them, their actual platform looks rather "Jeb-ish."
Cooke gets the first two amendments pretty well, but he's got a strong elitist streak and seems to regard a lot of us on the Tea Party right as churlish brownshirt rabble. I try to take it in stride. He knows his bread's being buttered by Republican cheerleaders Lowry and Ponnuru, so he carries their water on domestic politcs.
Heh. I'm not as anti-Cooke as many of my fellow Purist Fanatics here are. That said, Cooke suffers from the same myopia as other conservative Brits like Delingpole when he covers American politics. UKIP is considered crazy-con in Britain and while I admire them, their actual platform looks rather "Jeb-ish."
Cooke gets the first two amendments pretty well, but he's got a strong elitist streak and seems to regard a lot of us on the Tea Party right as churlish brownshirt rabble. I try to take it in stride. He knows his bread's being buttered by Republican cheerleaders Lowry and Ponnuru, so he carries their water on domestic politcs.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 23, 2015 11:16 AM (QKIQb)
448
The coda to my comment.
Cruz is selling the classic Reagan vision ...
"Courageous conservatives ... We stand together for liberty"
"We will restore that shining city on a hill"
- Ted Cruz
Looking forward to hearing the cowardly weakling non-conservatives promise us that Reaganism is old hat and won't sell.
The coda to my comment.
Cruz is selling the classic Reagan vision ...
"Courageous conservatives ... We stand together for liberty"
"We will restore that shining city on a hill"
- Ted Cruz
Looking forward to hearing the cowardly weakling non-conservatives promise us that Reaganism is old hat and won't sell.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at March 23, 2015 11:16 AM (wT9UL)
449
Sometimes you need a Republican that's willing to come off as moderate to fool people, it's part of the game.
Posted by: Kal at March 23, 2015 11:09 AM (Qjxsx)
You are naive.
No R will ever be able to "come off as a moderate to fool people."
Romney was a moderate R. He was typecast by the Democrat-Media Complex as slightly to the right of Atilla the Hun.
The myth of the "success of the moderate Republican" endures, despite all real-world evidence to the contrary.
The real problem is that the myth has metastasized among the GOPe into an article of faith, not to be questioned in any way.
It is why the GOPe is terrified of the Democrat-Media Complex, but even more terrified of honest conservative/Constitutional Republicans (i.e. "Tea Partiers.")
Posted by: Kal at March 23, 2015 11:09 AM (Qjxsx)
You are naive.
No R will ever be able to "come off as a moderate to fool people."
Romney was a moderate R. He was typecast by the Democrat-Media Complex as slightly to the right of Atilla the Hun.
The myth of the "success of the moderate Republican" endures, despite all real-world evidence to the contrary.
The real problem is that the myth has metastasized among the GOPe into an article of faith, not to be questioned in any way.
It is why the GOPe is terrified of the Democrat-Media Complex, but even more terrified of honest conservative/Constitutional Republicans (i.e. "Tea Partiers.")
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 11:17 AM (h6Mpm)
450
What is the current maximum an individual can contribute to a presidential campaign?
Posted by: money where my mouth is at March 23, 2015 11:17 AM (TtRQw)
451
Inspiring speech by Cruz. Refreshing to watch someone talk without reading (and mispronuncing) the words.
Posted by: LASue at March 23, 2015 11:17 AM (wgFcF)
452
How soon we for get. President Eisenhower deported close to a million Mexicans. Millions more deported themselves. He wanted jobs for returning veterans. He started by cleaning up the immigration department. A general that he knew was put in charge. Those without political pull were fired and those who had pull were transferred to dead end jobs. They began returning the Mexicans to Vera Cruz. It's a long walk from there to the border. You really don't expect the Mexican government to pay for the ride home do you?
Posted by: burt at March 23, 2015 11:18 AM (ls8AU)
453
"303
Calling Senator Cruz a flame thrower or a radical or a social con or
anything derogatory in those terms is letting the Liberals set the
debate and the terms AND I WILL NOT DO THAT. Grab the initiative and set
OUR TERMS ! NOW!"
For years, we've been asking "Who's our Reagan?"
For the first time ever, I am hearing a candidate who actually explicitly and implicitly is TRYING to walk in Reagan's footsteps.
Calling Senator Cruz a flame thrower or a radical or a social con or
anything derogatory in those terms is letting the Liberals set the
debate and the terms AND I WILL NOT DO THAT. Grab the initiative and set
OUR TERMS ! NOW!"
For years, we've been asking "Who's our Reagan?"
For the first time ever, I am hearing a candidate who actually explicitly and implicitly is TRYING to walk in Reagan's footsteps.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at March 23, 2015 11:18 AM (wT9UL)
454
I still wish Susana Martinez would run. She's not as conservative, but she's an experienced governor who could get some women and latino votes. To turn the country back from the cliff, first we have to win.
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Yeah, I can live with where she's not as conservative as I'd like in large part because she strikes me as someone who governs in a pragmatic, non-ideological way. I don't envision her pushing a lot of progressive crap against the wishes of conservative voters.
She seems like a nice lady, frankly.
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Yeah, I can live with where she's not as conservative as I'd like in large part because she strikes me as someone who governs in a pragmatic, non-ideological way. I don't envision her pushing a lot of progressive crap against the wishes of conservative voters.
She seems like a nice lady, frankly.
Posted by: Y-not at March 23, 2015 11:19 AM (9BRsg)
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"178
Speaking of Jeb Bush, I presume everyone realizes that the LIVs have
been taught that Bush is the greatest evil of this century right? They
will realize this is a different Bush, but they sure as hell aren't
going to vote for him."
YUP. Even if Jeb Bush is smarter than GWB and never said there were WMDs in Iraq, there is NO WAY he wont get tarred with that.
A fourth Bush term? And with Iraq on fire, do you really think Jeb WONT be sending troops there? Really?
Speaking of Jeb Bush, I presume everyone realizes that the LIVs have
been taught that Bush is the greatest evil of this century right? They
will realize this is a different Bush, but they sure as hell aren't
going to vote for him."
YUP. Even if Jeb Bush is smarter than GWB and never said there were WMDs in Iraq, there is NO WAY he wont get tarred with that.
A fourth Bush term? And with Iraq on fire, do you really think Jeb WONT be sending troops there? Really?
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at March 23, 2015 11:20 AM (wT9UL)
456
How old are you, Kal?
Posted by: Y-not at March 23, 2015 11:21 AM (9BRsg)
457
"No R will ever be able to "come off as a moderate to fool people."
Exactly. If Mitt Romney was "too right wing for America" according to our Thought Leaders, so is Jeb, much less any other candidate the right might run.
Change the media game, or continue to lose. WD's post on Saturday was a good game plan for that. Yes, it's an uphill high-risk strategy, but much like "third-party vs. stick with GOP" only the higher-risk option has a reasonable chance to break you out of a house-rules, sucker-bet loser's game.
Exactly. If Mitt Romney was "too right wing for America" according to our Thought Leaders, so is Jeb, much less any other candidate the right might run.
Change the media game, or continue to lose. WD's post on Saturday was a good game plan for that. Yes, it's an uphill high-risk strategy, but much like "third-party vs. stick with GOP" only the higher-risk option has a reasonable chance to break you out of a house-rules, sucker-bet loser's game.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 23, 2015 11:22 AM (QKIQb)
458
Let me keep it simple:
Do you want a BUSH, a CLINTON, or a REAGAN?
Establishment always preferred Bush over Reagan...
I'll take the Reagan anyday. Reagan with flaws is still Reagan.
Do you want a BUSH, a CLINTON, or a REAGAN?
Establishment always preferred Bush over Reagan...
I'll take the Reagan anyday. Reagan with flaws is still Reagan.
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at March 23, 2015 11:23 AM (wT9UL)
459
Here we go again with the plethora of GOP candidates.
Lets make sure not to exceed 4 this season. Oh and maybe not hand over the "mediator" role to some PBS halfwit
I'm fucking done fuckin around with these asshole media whores who cant WAIT to go on the sunday shows and express how mavericky they are. Get the fuck outta the way and let the country feel what it's like to be somewhat of a republic again.
Lets make sure not to exceed 4 this season. Oh and maybe not hand over the "mediator" role to some PBS halfwit
I'm fucking done fuckin around with these asshole media whores who cant WAIT to go on the sunday shows and express how mavericky they are. Get the fuck outta the way and let the country feel what it's like to be somewhat of a republic again.
Posted by: melodicmetal1 at March 23, 2015 11:23 AM (MV2jA)
460
"Looking forward to hearing the cowardly weakling non-conservatives promise us that Reaganism is old hat and won't sell."
I believe in saving my insults for the other side. Firing at each other is not the way to advance conservative ideas.
If this was 1980, Obama would've been laughed off the stage. Reagan was governor of California when he ran. Could anyone to the right of Hillary Clinton win California today?
I believe in saving my insults for the other side. Firing at each other is not the way to advance conservative ideas.
If this was 1980, Obama would've been laughed off the stage. Reagan was governor of California when he ran. Could anyone to the right of Hillary Clinton win California today?
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 23, 2015 11:25 AM (T1Jm0)
461
An all-Hispanic ticket? Cruz, Martinez, Rubio?
Posted by: LASue at March 23, 2015 11:25 AM (wgFcF)
462
"I really wish people would stop ignoring the word "natural" in the
clause. We Cruz birthers do not doubt that he was born a citizen. We
doubt he is a natural born citizen."
Well, you're wrong. It means the same thing. The definitive answer is here:
http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf
clause. We Cruz birthers do not doubt that he was born a citizen. We
doubt he is a natural born citizen."
Well, you're wrong. It means the same thing. The definitive answer is here:
http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at March 23, 2015 11:25 AM (wT9UL)
463
I'll note that Walker's "stumbles" (such as they are . . . they give GOPe'rs and beltway pundits the vapours but are IMHO utterly irrelevant to the actual election) are for the most part a direct result of his attempt to "appear to be a moderate."
Walker is, in fact, something of a moderate. Try telling that to the Wisconsin unions, though.
Walker is, in fact, something of a moderate. Try telling that to the Wisconsin unions, though.
Posted by: filbert at March 23, 2015 11:25 AM (h6Mpm)
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460
"Looking forward to hearing the cowardly weakling non-conservatives promise us that Reaganism is old hat and won't sell."
I believe in saving my insults for the other side. Firing at each other is not the way to advance conservative ideas."
You do realize the irony of the statement you make? No man in DC has been subject to more intraparty abuse than "whackobird" Cruz. Yes, that's the term McCain called Cruz and a few others.
McConnell's aides were planting anti-Cruz stories back in early 2013, right after he came to the Senate.
I agree with you as a general principle, but will respond in kind to the cowardly weakling non-conservatives who trash conservatives because of their false belief that Reaganism won't sell. Let's sell it first and find out. We haven't tried in a LONG WHILE!
"Looking forward to hearing the cowardly weakling non-conservatives promise us that Reaganism is old hat and won't sell."
I believe in saving my insults for the other side. Firing at each other is not the way to advance conservative ideas."
You do realize the irony of the statement you make? No man in DC has been subject to more intraparty abuse than "whackobird" Cruz. Yes, that's the term McCain called Cruz and a few others.
McConnell's aides were planting anti-Cruz stories back in early 2013, right after he came to the Senate.
I agree with you as a general principle, but will respond in kind to the cowardly weakling non-conservatives who trash conservatives because of their false belief that Reaganism won't sell. Let's sell it first and find out. We haven't tried in a LONG WHILE!
Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at March 23, 2015 11:30 AM (wT9UL)
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Ah, finally a well reasoned piece from a GOP establishment figure on Ace giving us a link to prove that Cruz is a Natural Born Citizen as required in the Constitution.......
Oh wait......
I guess the idiot thinks we are all just lemmings and will believe the link which only shows he is a legal U.S. Citizen is proof that he is a natural born citizen.
My, oh, my, Drew, I'm still waiting.
Yes, I like Cruz, and he likely would have my vote if he were a Natural Born Citizen. However, he isn't and we all would be thumbing our nose at the Constitution if we voted for him.
Oh wait......
I guess the idiot thinks we are all just lemmings and will believe the link which only shows he is a legal U.S. Citizen is proof that he is a natural born citizen.
My, oh, my, Drew, I'm still waiting.
Yes, I like Cruz, and he likely would have my vote if he were a Natural Born Citizen. However, he isn't and we all would be thumbing our nose at the Constitution if we voted for him.
Posted by: doug at March 23, 2015 11:30 AM (IYEs/)
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For those who insist a single-term Senator isn't qualified for the presidency, Lincoln was a one-term US Congressman (1847-1849), although he was an Illinois state representative for many years, when serving in state legislatures was held in greater regard than it is now. He also ran for US Senate twice and lost both times, once to Trumbull and once to Douglas. So there's that.
Posted by: troyriser at March 23, 2015 11:31 AM (Bvf82)
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"Firing at each other is not the way to advance conservative ideas."
I agree - usually I'm returning fire, not initiating. However, using some variation on the "11th Commandment" to silence criticism of candidates like Jeb who not only insult conservatives gratuitously but also advance ideas that are obviously Progressive doesn't fly with me.
The way to advance conservative ideas is to support those who seek to advance them, not those who false-flag them. The Bushes in particular have damaged conservatism by acting as if it's a dangerous element that must be tempered ("compassionate" conservatism) and conflating it with Big Government at home and abroad.
You're correct in stating that today's voters are different. In the 1980's you could afford to have an "11th Commandment" on the Right because the Silent Majority still existed. Times have changed.
In 2015 on the Right the situation is more like 1940s-1950s American politics. Voters don't even know what "conservative" means - it's a mishmash of Kill Grandman, Bush's foreign policy fecklessness and Todd Akin.
We have to teach conservatism to a whole new generation. We can't do that with guys like Bush and Christie muddying the water.
I agree - usually I'm returning fire, not initiating. However, using some variation on the "11th Commandment" to silence criticism of candidates like Jeb who not only insult conservatives gratuitously but also advance ideas that are obviously Progressive doesn't fly with me.
The way to advance conservative ideas is to support those who seek to advance them, not those who false-flag them. The Bushes in particular have damaged conservatism by acting as if it's a dangerous element that must be tempered ("compassionate" conservatism) and conflating it with Big Government at home and abroad.
You're correct in stating that today's voters are different. In the 1980's you could afford to have an "11th Commandment" on the Right because the Silent Majority still existed. Times have changed.
In 2015 on the Right the situation is more like 1940s-1950s American politics. Voters don't even know what "conservative" means - it's a mishmash of Kill Grandman, Bush's foreign policy fecklessness and Todd Akin.
We have to teach conservatism to a whole new generation. We can't do that with guys like Bush and Christie muddying the water.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 23, 2015 11:34 AM (QKIQb)
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"McConnell's aides were planting anti-Cruz stories back in early 2013, right after he came to the Senate. "
You can fire at those shitheads all you want. McConnell's not conservative. Your original comment seemed to be attacking people on this blog, like me, who don't think Cruz can win. I just don't like to see conservatives attack conservatives, even if we disagree about Cruz's chances.
You can fire at those shitheads all you want. McConnell's not conservative. Your original comment seemed to be attacking people on this blog, like me, who don't think Cruz can win. I just don't like to see conservatives attack conservatives, even if we disagree about Cruz's chances.
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 23, 2015 11:37 AM (T1Jm0)
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Natural-born, at the time of the signing of the Constitution, did most certainly mean -at the very least- native born. The reason so many people got/get so intense and confused about this is because it has ALWAYS traditionally been accepted to mean that a child had to be born a native.
Yes, many (citizenship) laws and statutes have been passed in the generations since the Constitution was signed, but do any of them AMEND the Art. 2 requirements of "natural-born"? The answer to that is NO. So, if a person is thought to be eligible due to a LAW that was passed, which gives said person US citizenship at birth, he can be challenged legally if he is elected.
Too many people are simply looking at the laws which give statutory citizenship, and ignoring the issue that the lack of a Constitutional amendment presents. Yes, I have done hundreds of hours of research - more than nearly every other person who reads this blog. At first I was just a little curious about the ruckus - then I got caught up in the history. Fascinating.
For example - did YOU know that about a dozen petitions were brought (mostly by Dems) to repeal/amend the natural-born citizen requirement? "To allow those who are not native born to be eligible" - say, for example, a child born in another country and adopted by Americans. It's for the children. Yes, they did go there. All the petitions failed. They went silent not long before they ran Barack.
You may all scream "Birther !!" now.
Yes, many (citizenship) laws and statutes have been passed in the generations since the Constitution was signed, but do any of them AMEND the Art. 2 requirements of "natural-born"? The answer to that is NO. So, if a person is thought to be eligible due to a LAW that was passed, which gives said person US citizenship at birth, he can be challenged legally if he is elected.
Too many people are simply looking at the laws which give statutory citizenship, and ignoring the issue that the lack of a Constitutional amendment presents. Yes, I have done hundreds of hours of research - more than nearly every other person who reads this blog. At first I was just a little curious about the ruckus - then I got caught up in the history. Fascinating.
For example - did YOU know that about a dozen petitions were brought (mostly by Dems) to repeal/amend the natural-born citizen requirement? "To allow those who are not native born to be eligible" - say, for example, a child born in another country and adopted by Americans. It's for the children. Yes, they did go there. All the petitions failed. They went silent not long before they ran Barack.
You may all scream "Birther !!" now.
Posted by: GrandeMe at March 23, 2015 11:37 AM (Meqxa)
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Yes, I like Cruz, and he likely would have my vote if he were a Natural Born Citizen. However, he isn't and we all would be thumbing our nose at the Constitution if we voted for him.
Posted by: doug at March 23, 2015 11:30 AM (IYEs/)
Doug, Cruz's mother was (is?)a US citizen. He was, is, has been a 'natural born' citizen of the United States even though he was born in Canada.You can trace the 'natural born' concept back to Blackstone and even farther, and Cruz falls under all definitions of it. He legitimately meets the qualifications for office.
Posted by: doug at March 23, 2015 11:30 AM (IYEs/)
Doug, Cruz's mother was (is?)a US citizen. He was, is, has been a 'natural born' citizen of the United States even though he was born in Canada.You can trace the 'natural born' concept back to Blackstone and even farther, and Cruz falls under all definitions of it. He legitimately meets the qualifications for office.
Posted by: troyriser at March 23, 2015 11:45 AM (Bvf82)
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Born in Calgary, Albert, Canada? Fuck him.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 23, 2015 11:46 AM (Y92Nd)
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"But let's be honest, the odds of him winning the nomination are pretty
low and he'd probably be a disaster in the general (though not much
worse than Jeb will be)."
That's, of course, completely unlike the far more... and totally "electable" Mitt Romney?
low and he'd probably be a disaster in the general (though not much
worse than Jeb will be)."
That's, of course, completely unlike the far more... and totally "electable" Mitt Romney?
Posted by: svar88 at March 23, 2015 11:47 AM (Q3/69)
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"he can be challenged legally if he is elected..."
SCOTUS' somewhat absurdist concept of standing (et tu, Scalia?) renders that moot. And yes, SCOTUS can change its mind, but that would be assuming a ground-rules change just short of an actual amendment in its own right.
I'd prefer that SCOTUS simply rule on the question of Cruz's citizenship now that he's officially placed it at issue rather than requiring an amendment no one is particularly motivated to fight for outside the Schwarzenager and Cruz families. I don't think Cruz is personally so vital to the Republic that I'd burn political capital to amend for him - and I'm a supporter. That said, given the much more horrid distortions of clear Consitutional language out there, I'm not going to withhold my vote over a distinction it took you a hundred hours to research that even the most originalist members of SCOTUS can't be troubled over.
SCOTUS' somewhat absurdist concept of standing (et tu, Scalia?) renders that moot. And yes, SCOTUS can change its mind, but that would be assuming a ground-rules change just short of an actual amendment in its own right.
I'd prefer that SCOTUS simply rule on the question of Cruz's citizenship now that he's officially placed it at issue rather than requiring an amendment no one is particularly motivated to fight for outside the Schwarzenager and Cruz families. I don't think Cruz is personally so vital to the Republic that I'd burn political capital to amend for him - and I'm a supporter. That said, given the much more horrid distortions of clear Consitutional language out there, I'm not going to withhold my vote over a distinction it took you a hundred hours to research that even the most originalist members of SCOTUS can't be troubled over.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 23, 2015 11:48 AM (QKIQb)
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Yes, McCain was born in Panama, but we own Panama, and his dad was stationed there. Not to mention Van Halen wrote a hit song about it. If there was an awesome song to do keg stands to about Alberta, and we conquered Canada and just quit joking around about stealing their trees, I'd support Cruz.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 23, 2015 11:48 AM (Y92Nd)
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I hope, for entertainment's sake, the GOP picks someone like Cruz for the VP candidate. A quick witted, sharp tongued, hard-core conservative who can expose idiocy and advocate common sense in a funny and memorable extemporaneous one-liner.
You know, like Dole the Senate candidate, ( not Dole the presidential one -- non Kansans never really got to laugh at the best Dole quips, 'cause he retired that whole persona upon setting foot on the national stage. Pity.)
You know, like Dole the Senate candidate, ( not Dole the presidential one -- non Kansans never really got to laugh at the best Dole quips, 'cause he retired that whole persona upon setting foot on the national stage. Pity.)
Posted by: Pouncer at March 23, 2015 11:51 AM (rUSDY)
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I'm getting a kick out of the trepidation of a Cruz run from the same people who dropped out of the Republican Party because it didn't espouse the conservative philosophy to their liking. Now you have a person who hits every note , doesn't back down and is able to communicate and defend the message better than anyone out there. Some people just don't know what they want.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at March 23, 2015 11:54 AM (dkHoZ)
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"an amendment no one is particularly motivated to fight for outside the Schwarzenager and Cruz families. "
And the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, off the top of my head? Are you kidding me? There are tons of nations that bribe our politicians daily who would be delighted to cut out the middleman, install their own puppet and gobble up this prime real estate we call America. Check out Cruz' position on immigration and refer to Mickey Kaus before you decide which side of that issue he's on.
And the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, off the top of my head? Are you kidding me? There are tons of nations that bribe our politicians daily who would be delighted to cut out the middleman, install their own puppet and gobble up this prime real estate we call America. Check out Cruz' position on immigration and refer to Mickey Kaus before you decide which side of that issue he's on.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 23, 2015 11:54 AM (Y92Nd)
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476 I'm getting a kick out of the trepidation of a Cruz run from the same people who dropped out of the Republican Party because it didn't espouse the conservative philosophy to their liking. Now you have a person who hits every note , doesn't back down and is able to communicate and defend the message better than anyone out there. Some people just don't know what they want.
Yes, but it could be that DrewM just wants to elect democrats...
Yes, but it could be that DrewM just wants to elect democrats...
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at March 23, 2015 11:59 AM (EgbCN)
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Did John McCain write this?
Posted by: OutspokenRed at March 23, 2015 12:02 PM (BhtTT)
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I do think Cruz being born in Canada is going to be an issue, regardless of your reading of the Constitution.
Let's say for a minute Obama was born in Kenya to a mother who was an American citizen. You don't think that would have impacted his electoral chances?
Let's say for a minute Obama was born in Kenya to a mother who was an American citizen. You don't think that would have impacted his electoral chances?
Posted by: McAdams at March 23, 2015 12:02 PM (twYx7)
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I would take John McCain over Ted Cruz any day. Say what you will about his senate career, but he fought for this country more bravely than Ted Cruz ever did.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 23, 2015 12:04 PM (Y92Nd)
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"That's, of course, completely unlike the far more... and totally "electable" Mitt Romney?"
Because if it's anybody who believes in electability, it's Drew.
Because if it's anybody who believes in electability, it's Drew.
Posted by: Shoot Me at March 23, 2015 12:07 PM (EQcfE)
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"Let's say for a minute Obama was born in Kenya to a mother who was an American citizen."
He was born in Kenya to an American mother working for the CIA trying to pass off communist Frank Marshall Davis' child as that of Barack Obama, Sr., which is why he went by Barry Soteoro in his early years. Dreams of My Father was wishcasting by an up-and-coming political star with presidential hopes since childhood, and it was ghostwritten by an unrepentant domestic terrorist.
He was born in Kenya to an American mother working for the CIA trying to pass off communist Frank Marshall Davis' child as that of Barack Obama, Sr., which is why he went by Barry Soteoro in his early years. Dreams of My Father was wishcasting by an up-and-coming political star with presidential hopes since childhood, and it was ghostwritten by an unrepentant domestic terrorist.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 23, 2015 12:07 PM (Y92Nd)
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"I'd prefer that SCOTUS simply rule on the question of Cruz's citizenship now that he's officially placed it at issue"
It's not at issue unless he is elected into office. That there is another thing that the average person is not aware of. Anyone can RUN, regardless.
"I'm not going to withhold my vote over a distinction it took you a
hundred hours to research that even the most originalist members of
SCOTUS can't be troubled over."
The reason I did that much research (other than finding it tremendously interesting) was to try, among other things, to find the definition in a SCOUTS ruling, or written into some obscure notes at the time the Constitution was written which specifically and clearly defines natural-born. I believe that such a thing exists - else WHY would the Dems spend so much effort to petition repeatedly for such an amendment? Barney Frank was very mixed up in that. One petition that he was mixed up in made the point (by a Repub anxious to have the amendment) that simply passing citizenship laws left a potential for a lawsuit, hence the push for a amendment.
In the end I have found more by changing where I was looking. I began to read very old pieces on citizenship and allegiance. Now I am finally making headway.
It's not at issue unless he is elected into office. That there is another thing that the average person is not aware of. Anyone can RUN, regardless.
"I'm not going to withhold my vote over a distinction it took you a
hundred hours to research that even the most originalist members of
SCOTUS can't be troubled over."
The reason I did that much research (other than finding it tremendously interesting) was to try, among other things, to find the definition in a SCOUTS ruling, or written into some obscure notes at the time the Constitution was written which specifically and clearly defines natural-born. I believe that such a thing exists - else WHY would the Dems spend so much effort to petition repeatedly for such an amendment? Barney Frank was very mixed up in that. One petition that he was mixed up in made the point (by a Repub anxious to have the amendment) that simply passing citizenship laws left a potential for a lawsuit, hence the push for a amendment.
In the end I have found more by changing where I was looking. I began to read very old pieces on citizenship and allegiance. Now I am finally making headway.
Posted by: GrandeMe at March 23, 2015 12:08 PM (Meqxa)
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And he won. And everybody who could impeach him knows it is a lie, but they don't care.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 23, 2015 12:09 PM (Y92Nd)
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What they want is total purity and complete isolation in the wilderness that comes with it - easier to stand on a 20% position, take defeat, and then rail against those that weren't conservative enough than to actually have to find compromise positions and get elected ...
Posted by: Pedantic Joe, Buff for life at March 23, 2015 12:10 PM (PhNHa)
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483.
Regardless of our theory, I think him being rumored to be from Kenya vs actually admitting he was born there would be a big difference to how he was perceived by voters.
I'll always believe something fishy was there regarding his birthplace but that ship has sailed.
Regardless of our theory, I think him being rumored to be from Kenya vs actually admitting he was born there would be a big difference to how he was perceived by voters.
I'll always believe something fishy was there regarding his birthplace but that ship has sailed.
Posted by: McAdams at March 23, 2015 12:13 PM (twYx7)
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****I'm looking forward to liberals suddenly discovering freshmen Senators aren't experienced enough to be President and conservatives discovering they are.****
Usually enjoy Drew's posts, and while this is some quality snark, it's dishonest as hell. Conservatives' problem with Obama was that his short stint as senator was literally the only thing of consequence he'd ever done or achieved.
If you think similarly of Cruz, then you don't know shit about the subject on which you chose to publicly opine. Since I can't believe you're that ignorant, I gotta go with dishonest.
Usually enjoy Drew's posts, and while this is some quality snark, it's dishonest as hell. Conservatives' problem with Obama was that his short stint as senator was literally the only thing of consequence he'd ever done or achieved.
If you think similarly of Cruz, then you don't know shit about the subject on which you chose to publicly opine. Since I can't believe you're that ignorant, I gotta go with dishonest.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 23, 2015 12:14 PM (xSCb6)
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I guarantee you the same crowd that's pushing Cruz would have made the case Obama was ineligible for the Presidency had it been revealed he was born in Kenya.
Posted by: McAdams at March 23, 2015 12:15 PM (twYx7)
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481
I would take John McCain over Ted Cruz any day. Say what you will about
his senate career, but he fought for this country more bravely than Ted
Cruz ever did.
I would take Ted Cruz over John McCain any day. Say what you will about his military career, but McLame has stunk it up in the Senate for about 30 years.
There, I fixed it for ya.
I would take John McCain over Ted Cruz any day. Say what you will about
his senate career, but he fought for this country more bravely than Ted
Cruz ever did.
I would take Ted Cruz over John McCain any day. Say what you will about his military career, but McLame has stunk it up in the Senate for about 30 years.
There, I fixed it for ya.
Posted by: OutspokenRed at March 23, 2015 12:18 PM (BhtTT)
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487 You cling to your dignity and swallow everything those who pretended to vet him and the media have told you. Remember that there was a tape so damaging to him that it was purchased in 2007, although several Republicans saw it. Watch that ship sail away, and know it carries onboard everything you associate with the America you grew up in. You think your elected representatives have sold you out now? You ain't seen nothing yet, and "Barack Obama" sees it as your karmic comeuppance for enslaving blacks.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 23, 2015 12:20 PM (Y92Nd)
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462 "I really wish people would stop ignoring the word "natural" in the
clause. We Cruz birthers do not doubt that he was born a citizen. We
doubt he is a natural born citizen."
Well, you're wrong. It means the same thing. The definitive answer is here:
No, you're wrong. Only SCOTUS can give a "definitive answer." In the very document you link, it says "There is no Supreme Court case which has ruled specifically on the presidential eligibility requirements."
It also says "Although the eligibility of native born U.S. citizens has been settled law for more than a century, there have been legitimate legal issues raised concerning those born outside of the country to U.S. citizens."
Not only that, but you are ignoring my main point - only one federal judge is needed to keep Cruz's name off the ballot. As far as standing, Killary will have that - and use it too! I am a big Cruz fan and will vote for him in the general election if he secures the nomination - and he will win the general.
However, we are headed for widespread civil unrest once the Presidency is yanked out from under him by a court or courts unknown.
Prediction? Obama will state that considering the matter is under litigation, he'll just stay in the White House until further notice.
clause. We Cruz birthers do not doubt that he was born a citizen. We
doubt he is a natural born citizen."
Well, you're wrong. It means the same thing. The definitive answer is here:
No, you're wrong. Only SCOTUS can give a "definitive answer." In the very document you link, it says "There is no Supreme Court case which has ruled specifically on the presidential eligibility requirements."
It also says "Although the eligibility of native born U.S. citizens has been settled law for more than a century, there have been legitimate legal issues raised concerning those born outside of the country to U.S. citizens."
Not only that, but you are ignoring my main point - only one federal judge is needed to keep Cruz's name off the ballot. As far as standing, Killary will have that - and use it too! I am a big Cruz fan and will vote for him in the general election if he secures the nomination - and he will win the general.
However, we are headed for widespread civil unrest once the Presidency is yanked out from under him by a court or courts unknown.
Prediction? Obama will state that considering the matter is under litigation, he'll just stay in the White House until further notice.
Posted by: algore at March 23, 2015 12:20 PM (B+ujR)
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Good to see we're trashing someone as a "disaster" based on what is almost assuredly going to be the media's caricature of him moreso than reality.
The LEAST we could do is acknowledge that fact. Nah.
The LEAST we could do is acknowledge that fact. Nah.
Posted by: deadrody at March 23, 2015 12:22 PM (vJOFB)
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491
The only thing that makes me believe Obama may have indeed been legitimately born here is the Clintons never found anything.
I have to believe that if something was out there, they would have found it and used it. No question.
The only thing that makes me believe Obama may have indeed been legitimately born here is the Clintons never found anything.
I have to believe that if something was out there, they would have found it and used it. No question.
Posted by: McAdams at March 23, 2015 12:24 PM (twYx7)
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I found his speech to be kind of boring, actually. He was most compelling when speaking about his parents, but he limited his description of himself to his 17-year-old, lonely at college, and borrowing money for school self. Which inspires me how?
All the "imagine a country where..." stuff got tiresome after awhile. All of the possible Republican candidates for president are going to stand for nearly all of those items he listed, with few modifications, even Jeb Bush.
"Repeal Common core?" Hear, Cruz was counting on people's ignorance. Common Core isn't a law, it's a series of laws enacted at the state level in many states. He was actually insulting our intelligence with that one.
At no time in the entire speech did he make a case for why he, Ted Cruz, should be anybody's choice to be president, nor what his particular qualifications or aptitude or plan was for getting the laundry list of "imagine" items enacted into law.
This was an empty, blank-slate, project-upon-me-your-wishes, Obama-2007 type speech. Just the right-wing version.
Sorry, not impressed.
All the "imagine a country where..." stuff got tiresome after awhile. All of the possible Republican candidates for president are going to stand for nearly all of those items he listed, with few modifications, even Jeb Bush.
"Repeal Common core?" Hear, Cruz was counting on people's ignorance. Common Core isn't a law, it's a series of laws enacted at the state level in many states. He was actually insulting our intelligence with that one.
At no time in the entire speech did he make a case for why he, Ted Cruz, should be anybody's choice to be president, nor what his particular qualifications or aptitude or plan was for getting the laundry list of "imagine" items enacted into law.
This was an empty, blank-slate, project-upon-me-your-wishes, Obama-2007 type speech. Just the right-wing version.
Sorry, not impressed.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 23, 2015 12:25 PM (ljZD2)
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494 You mean the Clintons who's campaign debt he retired, whose staffers backstabbed them for to take on more prestigious jobs with the new regime and who have a bunch of dirt that everyone knows about? It isn't about staying clean, just pretending you are.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 23, 2015 12:27 PM (Y92Nd)
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Oh, and he has the Clinton donor list. The Obamas are going to move to NYC in 2016, and Mooch will run for Hildabeast's old senate seat.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 23, 2015 12:28 PM (Y92Nd)
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Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 23, 2015 12:25 PM (ljZD2)
He's this year's Michelle Bachman with Ben Carson playing Herman Cain. Red Meat for the lookieloos.
He's this year's Michelle Bachman with Ben Carson playing Herman Cain. Red Meat for the lookieloos.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 23, 2015 12:30 PM (Y92Nd)
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The speech could have been better... but it's early. Very early. The sooner Ted is specific, the sooner he gets carved up and pigeon-holed. He may not win the nomination, but what he will do, is be the excellent debater on stage.. defining conservative issues and forcing the field to the right of mushy Jeb. He will draw so much hate and fire, he being in the race will make it easier for Walker or anyone else running against out of control Washington DC.
Posted by: Yip at March 23, 2015 12:31 PM (84SRe)
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****I guarantee you the same crowd that's pushing Cruz would have made the case Obama was ineligible for the Presidency had it been revealed he was born in Kenya.****
I guess your guarantee sucks then.
We can now reasonably assume that you're a bit more interested in running your mouth than absorbing any of the actual words posted here that would pre-empt such an idiotic point.
I guess your guarantee sucks then.
We can now reasonably assume that you're a bit more interested in running your mouth than absorbing any of the actual words posted here that would pre-empt such an idiotic point.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 23, 2015 12:31 PM (xSCb6)
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"He will draw so much hate and fire, he being in the race will make it
easier for Walker or anyone else running against out of control
Washington DC."
This is exactly right. Scott Walker's job just got easier.
easier for Walker or anyone else running against out of control
Washington DC."
This is exactly right. Scott Walker's job just got easier.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 23, 2015 12:32 PM (ljZD2)
Posted by: McAdams at March 23, 2015 12:35 PM (twYx7)
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So, Drew, just out of curiosity, does Senator Cruz' belief that the States have the right, under the Tenth Amendment, to define marriage as between a man and a woman make him a "social-con?" What other stances has he taken on social issues that make him a "social-con" to such an extent that you could not get excited about him?
Posted by: jumpininhere at March 23, 2015 12:36 PM (gs1Pm)
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496.
You really think the Clintons had the smoking gun that he was born in Kenya, and they decided not to run with that because Obama promised to pay off their campaign debt?
After that bruising primary?
Why didn't Hillary just concede the race earlier if it was just about getting campaign bills paid?
You really think the Clintons had the smoking gun that he was born in Kenya, and they decided not to run with that because Obama promised to pay off their campaign debt?
After that bruising primary?
Why didn't Hillary just concede the race earlier if it was just about getting campaign bills paid?
Posted by: McAdams at March 23, 2015 12:37 PM (twYx7)
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Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 23, 2015 12:25 PM (ljZD2)
This is not the first time you've posted something so demonstrably stupid here.
The smallest, but funniest bit of your screed was on the subject of educational standards where you said, " Hear, Cruz was counting on people's ignorance. "
Well played.
Youor first paragraph - he's humanizing. A quite successful political strategy that most successful politicians (especially donks) use to persude people. It's pretty basic.
"At no time in the entire speech did he make a case..."
Except for the part where he did. His case is quite obvious to most people capable of understand the plain English he is speaking.
Were you expecting detailed policy proposals in a rhetorical speech?
Like I said - demonstrably stupid.
This is not the first time you've posted something so demonstrably stupid here.
The smallest, but funniest bit of your screed was on the subject of educational standards where you said, " Hear, Cruz was counting on people's ignorance. "
Well played.
Youor first paragraph - he's humanizing. A quite successful political strategy that most successful politicians (especially donks) use to persude people. It's pretty basic.
"At no time in the entire speech did he make a case..."
Except for the part where he did. His case is quite obvious to most people capable of understand the plain English he is speaking.
Were you expecting detailed policy proposals in a rhetorical speech?
Like I said - demonstrably stupid.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 23, 2015 12:39 PM (xSCb6)
506
****I obviously hit a nerve. And you know I'm right.****
This response works well for lat teenaged girls.
This response works well for lat teenaged girls.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 23, 2015 12:42 PM (xSCb6)
507
late*
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 23, 2015 12:42 PM (xSCb6)
508
heh heh Bam!
Posted by: Yip at March 23, 2015 12:42 PM (84SRe)
Posted by: McAdams at March 23, 2015 12:43 PM (twYx7)
510
Sure you do, Cupcake.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 23, 2015 12:45 PM (xSCb6)
511
not a so-con here, but I like Ted Cruz more than any other, I would be excited about his candidacy and would be eager to make phone calls and knock on doors for him.
Posted by: Shoey at March 23, 2015 12:50 PM (vA94g)
512
I know you are in no way an establishment guy, but your comment "he'll be a disaster in the general election" sounds identical to what the establishment said of Reagan. Couldn't be elected, would be a disaster. And here we are, 35 years later still talking about Reagan as the greatest president in modern history.
Posted by: Insanity at March 23, 2015 01:13 PM (P/UKo)
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Cruz made absolutely NO case FOR himself as president. He made a great case against Barack Obama and for generic conservative wishes.
At NO time in that mess of a speech did he explain why he, Ted Cruz, was the guy specifically, nor what concrete past accomplishments of his that the voters could hang their hats on as indicators of his likely future success in the Oval Office. Not a single time. Go back and listen to the speech again and try to find any instance of either.
Yes, he absolutely was pandering and counting on ignorance about Common Core and how provisions in law have been enacted around the country regarding it. "Repeal Common Core!" Yeah, cheap applause line! Okay, smart guy, where and how are you going to do that? It's a state issue, bitch, and it's gonna have to be tackled AS IT ALREADY IS BEING tackled, state by state. That was a meaningless emotional pander, as was much of his speech today.
I'm glad he's in, truly. His emotional pandering to the right wing, so-con crowd will drive out Huckabee, and Cruz makes Bush look even more moderate/left than he already does. And Cruz has no substantive achievements in his very short Senate career, not any executive experience of any note.
So, the sweet spot gets sweeter for Scott Walker.
Thanks, Ted!
At NO time in that mess of a speech did he explain why he, Ted Cruz, was the guy specifically, nor what concrete past accomplishments of his that the voters could hang their hats on as indicators of his likely future success in the Oval Office. Not a single time. Go back and listen to the speech again and try to find any instance of either.
Yes, he absolutely was pandering and counting on ignorance about Common Core and how provisions in law have been enacted around the country regarding it. "Repeal Common Core!" Yeah, cheap applause line! Okay, smart guy, where and how are you going to do that? It's a state issue, bitch, and it's gonna have to be tackled AS IT ALREADY IS BEING tackled, state by state. That was a meaningless emotional pander, as was much of his speech today.
I'm glad he's in, truly. His emotional pandering to the right wing, so-con crowd will drive out Huckabee, and Cruz makes Bush look even more moderate/left than he already does. And Cruz has no substantive achievements in his very short Senate career, not any executive experience of any note.
So, the sweet spot gets sweeter for Scott Walker.
Thanks, Ted!
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 23, 2015 01:19 PM (ljZD2)
514
At NO time in that mess of a speech did he explain why he, Ted Cruz, was the guy specifically, nor what concrete past accomplishments of his that the voters could hang their hats on as indicators of his likely future success in the Oval Office. Not a single time. Go back and listen to the speech again and try to find any instance of either.
Heh.
Heh.
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 23, 2015 01:20 PM (rwI+c)
515
I like Cruz and Walker. The only thing I would say is that they both need to get fashion consultants and Cruz could stand to drop about 20 pounds... Maybe pull a Perry and get some stylish glasses... Its unfortunate, but most LIV's are going to vote based on how they "feel", and a large part of their "feelings" will be based on the most unflattering images that the MSM can dredge up of them. To counter this, the airwaves need to be filled with images of the two of them looking sharp and sounding smart. The race for President is a popularity contest determined a lot by who presents better. Cruz and Walker are rock solid on the issues, but need to work on the brand.
Posted by: Josh at March 23, 2015 01:21 PM (AUZJW)
516
Reagan was a successful, two-term governor of our largest state who had run for president previously.
He wasn't a first-term senator with no legislative achievements nor executive experience of any kind, who is famous mostly for talking to no good result.
He wasn't a first-term senator with no legislative achievements nor executive experience of any kind, who is famous mostly for talking to no good result.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 23, 2015 01:22 PM (ljZD2)
517
Natural-born, at the time of the signing of the Constitution, did most certainly mean -at the very least- native born. The reason so many people got/get so intense and confused about this is because it has ALWAYS traditionally been accepted to mean that a child had to be born a native.
Half serious post:
The left, during the immigration debate, has been snarkily saying that only "Native Americans" have the right to be upset about illegal immigrants. The rest of us are a bunch of immigrants too, so hypocrisy!
I can trace my ancestors straight back to the Mayflower, but apparently I'm not Native American.
So given these "new rules", only people who came over on a land bridge 20K years ago are native, and no one else is eligible.
Half serious post:
The left, during the immigration debate, has been snarkily saying that only "Native Americans" have the right to be upset about illegal immigrants. The rest of us are a bunch of immigrants too, so hypocrisy!
I can trace my ancestors straight back to the Mayflower, but apparently I'm not Native American.
So given these "new rules", only people who came over on a land bridge 20K years ago are native, and no one else is eligible.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 23, 2015 01:23 PM (jhqr1)
518
Trending at AoS: #ImNoSoCon
Posted by: Jen Psocki at March 23, 2015 01:25 PM (Dwehj)
519
481 I would take John McCain over Ted Cruz any day. Say what you will about his senate career, but he fought for this country more bravely than Ted Cruz ever did.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 23, 2015 12:04 PM (Y92Nd)
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And since fucking when has that been a qualifcation for POTUS ? Good lord. I suppose we should just nominate some random MOH winner and be done with it ?
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 23, 2015 12:04 PM (Y92Nd)
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And since fucking when has that been a qualifcation for POTUS ? Good lord. I suppose we should just nominate some random MOH winner and be done with it ?
Posted by: deadrody at March 23, 2015 01:30 PM (vJOFB)
520
"Repeal Common core?" Hear, Cruz was counting on people's ignorance. Common Core isn't a law, it's a series of laws enacted at the state level in many states. He was actually insulting our intelligence with that one.
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Really ? He's just using simple language. "Repeal" is a specific kind of bill / law that would UNDO existing law. While it is technically true that "Common Core" is not a law, per se, "Race to the Top" and the federal funding that is driving it and thus, states pursuit of Common Core IS.
So yes, "repeal" = "enact bill to eliminate Dept of Education funding that is driving states to enact common core". I'm sure you can figure it out if you try hard.
I mean, are you really trying to tell me that Common Core isn't being driven by federal policy ? And that said policy can't be changed ?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Really ? He's just using simple language. "Repeal" is a specific kind of bill / law that would UNDO existing law. While it is technically true that "Common Core" is not a law, per se, "Race to the Top" and the federal funding that is driving it and thus, states pursuit of Common Core IS.
So yes, "repeal" = "enact bill to eliminate Dept of Education funding that is driving states to enact common core". I'm sure you can figure it out if you try hard.
I mean, are you really trying to tell me that Common Core isn't being driven by federal policy ? And that said policy can't be changed ?
Posted by: deadrody at March 23, 2015 01:35 PM (vJOFB)
521
And just a minor style point. If you are going to run for president and make your announcement in a forum wherein you know it will be televised, do please try to FACE THE FUCKING CAMERA more than 40% of the speech.
Some of the biggest applause lines he delivered were with his back to the cameras. That, my friends, was an amateur move on his part. At a televised address, the physical audience are the backdrop, not the focus. Talk to the cameras, that's where most of the people who you need to see and hear you are, not the folks in the building.
Jeez.
Walker will eat this guy's lunch on these kind of basic things.
Some of the biggest applause lines he delivered were with his back to the cameras. That, my friends, was an amateur move on his part. At a televised address, the physical audience are the backdrop, not the focus. Talk to the cameras, that's where most of the people who you need to see and hear you are, not the folks in the building.
Jeez.
Walker will eat this guy's lunch on these kind of basic things.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 23, 2015 01:36 PM (ljZD2)
522
"I mean, are you really trying to tell me that Common Core isn't being
driven by federal policy ? And that said policy can't be changed ?"
Of course not. So why cant' Ted Cruz say the same thing? Why does he have to talk down to us like we're morons who can't understand what you just said in three sentences?
It was amateurish on his part to talk down to his audience that way. A candidate should at least respect his potential voters enough to not talk to them like they are brain-dead. Especially on an issue like Common Core where many of his potential voters have been activists against it for years now. They know the issues. Talk to them like freaking adults, yes?
driven by federal policy ? And that said policy can't be changed ?"
Of course not. So why cant' Ted Cruz say the same thing? Why does he have to talk down to us like we're morons who can't understand what you just said in three sentences?
It was amateurish on his part to talk down to his audience that way. A candidate should at least respect his potential voters enough to not talk to them like they are brain-dead. Especially on an issue like Common Core where many of his potential voters have been activists against it for years now. They know the issues. Talk to them like freaking adults, yes?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 23, 2015 01:40 PM (ljZD2)
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@bonhomme
You are also NOT a illegal, undocumented alien.
The folks that came by boat, and went through Ellis Island weren't illegal either. But I found a thingy written by A Very Smart Person, who argued (back when the Irish were flooding into the US) that we must have the immigrants, because - no American would do the type of mundane labor that the ignorant and uneducated immigrants would happily do.
Just exactly what is being said about the border jumpers today.
Native birth requires no definition. You are native to the place you are born. Now, are you a citizen thereof? Depends on the laws of that country. I think the US having murky laws on dual citizenship is more about not having treaties on such issues.
You are also NOT a illegal, undocumented alien.
The folks that came by boat, and went through Ellis Island weren't illegal either. But I found a thingy written by A Very Smart Person, who argued (back when the Irish were flooding into the US) that we must have the immigrants, because - no American would do the type of mundane labor that the ignorant and uneducated immigrants would happily do.
Just exactly what is being said about the border jumpers today.
Native birth requires no definition. You are native to the place you are born. Now, are you a citizen thereof? Depends on the laws of that country. I think the US having murky laws on dual citizenship is more about not having treaties on such issues.
Posted by: GrandeMe at March 23, 2015 01:43 PM (Meqxa)
524
" I'm getting a kick out of the trepidation of a Cruz run from the same
people who dropped out of the Republican Party because it didn't espouse
the conservative philosophy to their liking. Now you have a person who
hits every note , doesn't back down and is able to communicate and
defend the message better than anyone out there. Some people just don't
know what they want."
I for one have been pretty clear about the fact that the a "decent conservative" GOP presidency for the next four or eight years might would likely be a bad outcome for the Right long term.
The downside scenario is that they right the ship just enough to lure people away from the lifeboats, then the public, like Greece, decides "OK, we've done austerity - happy now? More Free Shit 2014 FTW"
The GOP will institutionally resist even a firebrand conservative, which isn't how I see Walker, or even Cruz (he's closer, but still too tentative). Even Reagan couldn't get rid of the Departments of Energy or Education as his own platforms called for in 1984 and 1988.
I'd prefer to see Cruz run a credible campaign free of major gaffes and bring that momentum into a third party that actually supports what he's doing and doesn't backstab him.
I know exactly what I want. I question whether those who still support the GOP do when it's been so lousy at delivering on even conservative table scraps, much less an agenda.
people who dropped out of the Republican Party because it didn't espouse
the conservative philosophy to their liking. Now you have a person who
hits every note , doesn't back down and is able to communicate and
defend the message better than anyone out there. Some people just don't
know what they want."
I for one have been pretty clear about the fact that the a "decent conservative" GOP presidency for the next four or eight years might would likely be a bad outcome for the Right long term.
The downside scenario is that they right the ship just enough to lure people away from the lifeboats, then the public, like Greece, decides "OK, we've done austerity - happy now? More Free Shit 2014 FTW"
The GOP will institutionally resist even a firebrand conservative, which isn't how I see Walker, or even Cruz (he's closer, but still too tentative). Even Reagan couldn't get rid of the Departments of Energy or Education as his own platforms called for in 1984 and 1988.
I'd prefer to see Cruz run a credible campaign free of major gaffes and bring that momentum into a third party that actually supports what he's doing and doesn't backstab him.
I know exactly what I want. I question whether those who still support the GOP do when it's been so lousy at delivering on even conservative table scraps, much less an agenda.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 23, 2015 01:52 PM (QKIQb)
525
And since fucking when has that been a qualifcation for POTUS ?
Posted by: deadrody at March 23, 2015 01:30 PM (vJOFB)
McCain will be nominee, and Cruz never will be, but the cost of even entertaining such nonsense is that next time some yahoo born in another country claims to be eligible for the presidency, LIVs will say, "Sure."
Posted by: deadrody at March 23, 2015 01:30 PM (vJOFB)
McCain will be nominee, and Cruz never will be, but the cost of even entertaining such nonsense is that next time some yahoo born in another country claims to be eligible for the presidency, LIVs will say, "Sure."
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 23, 2015 01:53 PM (Y92Nd)
526
*Was* the nominee. He'll be lucky to keep his senate seat.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 23, 2015 01:54 PM (Y92Nd)
527
"I'm glad he's in, truly. His emotional pandering to the right wing,
so-con crowd will drive out Huckabee, and Cruz makes Bush look even more
moderate/left than he already does. And Cruz has no substantive
achievements in his very short Senate career, not any executive
experience of any note.
So, the sweet spot gets sweeter for Scott Walker.
Thanks, Ted!"
Rah-rah, go Team Walker. This kind of school-spirit boosterism is what I hate about the "horserace."
What are the actual policy differences between Ted Cruz and Scott Walker? Are they so different that you can say "yaay my guy, boo other guy" ?
I'll slam Walker for being squishy on Corn and Cruz for being absent on immigration in the last few months, but I save my enthusiasm, such as it is for the GOP popularity contest, for bashing Jeb and Krispy. Walker and Cruz may be weak-kneed on some issues - time will tell more - but they're both a cut above those clowns, and I'm not going to get all giddy when either one of them shoots himself in the foot. Neither of the men in question are uniquely talented, and neither are uniquely unsuited.
Rooting for persons over policy and principle is just Hope Change red-shifted.
so-con crowd will drive out Huckabee, and Cruz makes Bush look even more
moderate/left than he already does. And Cruz has no substantive
achievements in his very short Senate career, not any executive
experience of any note.
So, the sweet spot gets sweeter for Scott Walker.
Thanks, Ted!"
Rah-rah, go Team Walker. This kind of school-spirit boosterism is what I hate about the "horserace."
What are the actual policy differences between Ted Cruz and Scott Walker? Are they so different that you can say "yaay my guy, boo other guy" ?
I'll slam Walker for being squishy on Corn and Cruz for being absent on immigration in the last few months, but I save my enthusiasm, such as it is for the GOP popularity contest, for bashing Jeb and Krispy. Walker and Cruz may be weak-kneed on some issues - time will tell more - but they're both a cut above those clowns, and I'm not going to get all giddy when either one of them shoots himself in the foot. Neither of the men in question are uniquely talented, and neither are uniquely unsuited.
Rooting for persons over policy and principle is just Hope Change red-shifted.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 23, 2015 02:03 PM (QKIQb)
528
492- Think of us as the landlord's removal committee.
Posted by: Task Force 626 of JSOC at March 23, 2015 02:17 PM (tFWWx)
529
A little early to be eating our own. Cruz, Jindal, Perry or, Walker would all be a great improvement that the current potus occupant and way better than Jeb, Christie, or Rubio.
Relax 'rons
Relax 'rons
Posted by: redbeard at March 23, 2015 02:41 PM (RnkvX)
530
"But let's be honest, the odds of him winning the nomination are pretty low and he'd probably be a disaster in the general (though not much worse than Jeb will be)."
Because you have to be a moderate to win the general? You've got nothing to back up that statement. Zero. And history is filled with exceptions to your rule. Keep up the good work otherwise.
Because you have to be a moderate to win the general? You've got nothing to back up that statement. Zero. And history is filled with exceptions to your rule. Keep up the good work otherwise.
Posted by: Uncle Joe at March 23, 2015 03:19 PM (kfcYC)
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at March 23, 2015 03:20 PM (kfcYC)
532
"What are the actual policy differences between Ted Cruz and Scott Walker?"
Not very many at all. Which is why I have consistently failed to understand the enthusiasm expressed for Cruz as a "great conservative." People talk about this guy like he's the second coming of Ronald Reagan before he's even through his first term in the Senate.
I say the same about Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, or any other rookie senator who thinks he should get that big promotion to 1600 PA Ave straightaway.
I firmly believe that this country needs someone to take the wheel of the executive branch with a mind toward fixing a lot of things that Obama is merely the culmination of, rather than the cause of. It won't be a job for a rookie, nor for someone who's chief job thus far has been making speeches to an empty room on C-SPAN.
With the plethora of two-term, battle-hardened Republican governors right now, we should not be seeking to replicate the Obama campaign strategy all over again, except from the right wing this time.
Walker, Jindal, Perry, Kasich, Haley, Martinez, and yes, even Bush, have more practical political achievements and experience doing the actual job that is closest to the presidency for 5+ years apiece than any of the three senators mentioned above could dream of.
Kasich and Bush have done it in states we can't win the presidency without and Walker has gone them one better and done it in a state we haven't won in 30 years.
They actually walked the walk. Cruz has so far done nothing but talk.
Cruz is exponentially better than Obama philosophically, but his experience is the same at this point in their respective careers. We can certainly do better than that standard.
Not very many at all. Which is why I have consistently failed to understand the enthusiasm expressed for Cruz as a "great conservative." People talk about this guy like he's the second coming of Ronald Reagan before he's even through his first term in the Senate.
I say the same about Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, or any other rookie senator who thinks he should get that big promotion to 1600 PA Ave straightaway.
I firmly believe that this country needs someone to take the wheel of the executive branch with a mind toward fixing a lot of things that Obama is merely the culmination of, rather than the cause of. It won't be a job for a rookie, nor for someone who's chief job thus far has been making speeches to an empty room on C-SPAN.
With the plethora of two-term, battle-hardened Republican governors right now, we should not be seeking to replicate the Obama campaign strategy all over again, except from the right wing this time.
Walker, Jindal, Perry, Kasich, Haley, Martinez, and yes, even Bush, have more practical political achievements and experience doing the actual job that is closest to the presidency for 5+ years apiece than any of the three senators mentioned above could dream of.
Kasich and Bush have done it in states we can't win the presidency without and Walker has gone them one better and done it in a state we haven't won in 30 years.
They actually walked the walk. Cruz has so far done nothing but talk.
Cruz is exponentially better than Obama philosophically, but his experience is the same at this point in their respective careers. We can certainly do better than that standard.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 23, 2015 03:29 PM (ljZD2)
533
This guy would be a disaster in the general election? Are you HIGH?
NO ONE in the current GOP field has anywhere near the intelligence that this man has. NO ONE would do a better job of taking the MSM's dishonest BS and stuffing it right up their asses on national television. NO ONE would do a better job of absolutely destroying ANY Democrat in a national debate.
Again, wondering just what you're smoking. Please put it down, and slowly back away.
NO ONE in the current GOP field has anywhere near the intelligence that this man has. NO ONE would do a better job of taking the MSM's dishonest BS and stuffing it right up their asses on national television. NO ONE would do a better job of absolutely destroying ANY Democrat in a national debate.
Again, wondering just what you're smoking. Please put it down, and slowly back away.
Posted by: Sam Adams at March 23, 2015 03:39 PM (R8h28)
534
I like Cruz but I want a candidate with real executive experience.
Posted by: DonS at March 23, 2015 03:58 PM (MLzEj)
Posted by: Birthers were right at March 23, 2015 04:27 PM (D/qtG)
536
Jus soli & Jus_sanguinis
NBC - Two American parents and born on American soil.
Obama's not eligible either. He's a usurper.
Cruz just wants to legitimize Obama.
NBC - Two American parents and born on American soil.
Obama's not eligible either. He's a usurper.
Cruz just wants to legitimize Obama.
Posted by: Birthers were right at March 23, 2015 04:48 PM (D/qtG)
537
Let's just settle the argument and compare he's transcripts to our current brilliant thinker in the White House shall we?
Posted by: wrg500 at March 23, 2015 09:39 AM (S+el1)
Which transcripts? College transcripts or transcripts of one of the nine times Cruz has argued cases in front of the Supremes.
Posted by: wrg500 at March 23, 2015 09:39 AM (S+el1)
Which transcripts? College transcripts or transcripts of one of the nine times Cruz has argued cases in front of the Supremes.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 23, 2015 06:22 PM (5DGKy)
538
But let's be honest, the odds of him winning the nomination are pretty
low and he'd probably be a disaster in the general (though not much
worse than Jeb will be).
What a crock of shit. And not even the Country Crock kind, but a straight up, crock o' shit.
low and he'd probably be a disaster in the general (though not much
worse than Jeb will be).
What a crock of shit. And not even the Country Crock kind, but a straight up, crock o' shit.
Posted by: Is this the Daily KOS? at March 23, 2015 06:33 PM (UHJpJ)
539
Let's be real here. Obama set the bar pretty damn low. ANYONE including my dog is electable and can be President.
Posted by: MrX at March 23, 2015 06:57 PM (if9v9)
540
238
My thought is that Ted Cruz as a SCOTUS Justice would have longer lasting benefits than as President Cruz. IMHO
That would be awesome, indeed.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 10:21 AM (kff5f)
No need to choose... eight years as POTUS and then another 30 at SCOTUS.
My thought is that Ted Cruz as a SCOTUS Justice would have longer lasting benefits than as President Cruz. IMHO
That would be awesome, indeed.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 23, 2015 10:21 AM (kff5f)
No need to choose... eight years as POTUS and then another 30 at SCOTUS.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 23, 2015 07:31 PM (5DGKy)
541
No, you're wrong. Only SCOTUS can give a "definitive answer."
Five out of nine attorneys agree == it is definitive.
Five out of nine attorneys agree == it is definitive.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 23, 2015 07:56 PM (NaeCR)
542
Today, I ordered my Cruz bumper stickers, my Cruz "Blacklisted" buttons & decals (the best campaign design I've ever seen for liberty lovers), and donated a few bucks for his presidential run.
Haven't been this excited about a presidential candidate in decades!
Ted, we love you in NC!
Haven't been this excited about a presidential candidate in decades!
Ted, we love you in NC!
Posted by: Blue Ridge Mt. Conservative at March 23, 2015 08:24 PM (NRVpP)
543
"But let's be honest, the odds of him winning the nomination are pretty low and he'd probably be a disaster in the general (though not much worse than Jeb will be)."
Good to see that you already have the talking points down -
Good to see that you already have the talking points down -
Posted by: fabrexe at March 23, 2015 09:05 PM (uzXFK)
544
Cruz/Walker Walker/Cruz 2016 I'm good with either one.
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Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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