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Glenn Beck: I'm Done With the GOP
Allah keeps chortling, saying, "No you guys will be back," but I don't think he understands.
Something has changed. No, we won't be back. Not in the way he means it. If AllahPundit means that I, for example, will still prefer a more conservative president over a less conservative one, sure, of course, but then, Communists preferred the more liberal Bill Clinton over the less liberal George Bush, without actually supporting the Democratic Party with anything stronger than a velleity. In 2014, the Establishment went all out to defeat its foes not just on the electoral battlefield, but in the battlefield of the mind as well. They wanted to teach the upstarts a lesson: You have not only lost, but you will always lose; you will not be permitted to win, ever. The entire Party will rise up to crush you should you signal any intention of bucking our Rule. I warned them about something then: A hopeless soldier is a soldier who will desert the field. Yes, Establishment GOP, you can teach us that you will always lie to us, stab us in the back, humiliate us and crush us; but if you teach us that, be aware we are learning another lesson, too. Not just that "The Establishment Will Always Crush You," but the lesson that There is no hope in any kind of conventional politics for those of us who want better than this Pile of Shit the two parties give us. You can deal someone a defeat, but you contend with hurricanes when you seek to kill all of their hopes as well. I am now well and truly convinced of the Object Lesson our Establishment Masters sought to teach us last fall and this past winter: They will lie to us, always, so that we cannot even have an argument about policy differences with them. We cannot explain to them why amnesty is a bad deal because they lie and claim that they are already against amnesty. They will not even respect us enough to have the argument with us. They will betray us constantly, because they think they can. They think that our desire for a better America will draw us to vote for the Least Worst candidates. But many of us now feel like the Communists, or the hardcore paleocons: There really is not a large enough difference between the two parties any more to bother oneself in terms of emotional and financial investment any longer. Either way, we will have some form of repressive, unresponsive socialism in this country; what should we care whether the National Welfare Depot is painted in Red or Blue? I'm not coming back. I'm done. For the past ten years of my life, I've made arguments, some of which I knew to be false, to defend and apologize for the GOP; I see now that I was a fool to do so. I actually do not care very much if Hillary Clinton is president. What would really be different? Oh, of course she will be cruel to her political opponents, siccing the machinery of the government on them; but I no longer intend to be her political opponent, not in any more than a chiding way, so what do I care about that? Besides, her Enemies List is long and luscious; I'm sure I'm way down on it. Now actual Republicans may have cause to worry but that's their own business. This party has betrayed me for the last time. You won your battle, GOP establishment. You taught us all that us Lowly Voters were not going to tell you People of Rank how things were to be run. Well, I believe you. You will never permit we Lowly Voters a say in how we manage our lives and our country. You have to Deliver your Deliverables to your Donor Class. Well, I hope they have enough money to buy people's votes, because a lot of us are done with politics, except in an abstract, philosophical way. I'm now a spectator. I will root for this team or that, as I might root for European soccer teams: that is, out of boredom, not conviction. You killed all hope that I had. You killed the hope in many of us. Good luck with your convention and all. I'm sure there'll be a lot of people who are Totally Psyched about the balloons and confetti. Some of us need more, or need less, and I as I can't have more, I'm choosing less. Here's Some Truth: We all know this, but being Part of the Team, I felt obligated to lie, because I figured you expected me to lie, even though you didn't believe it. So yeah: The GOP is never repealing Obamacare or even trying hard to do so. They will make false efforts at doing so which they can present to voters as a Good College Try, but aw shucks, we couldn't quite do it. It's a relief to no longer have to propagate this obvious, feeble lie. I know very few of you believe the GOP has much intention of repealing Obamacare, but, being a Republican, I have previously felt the need to present The Official Party Position even knowing it was total bullshit. I've known it was a lie for a year, which is why I hate when it comes up on, say, the Podcast. What am I supposed to say? Am I supposed to pretend the GOP is going to repeal it? So they're not. They never were. It was always a lie. To get you to vote for them. We lose on the issue, so then we Have The Issue to run on. So now we should just start appreciating the Good Parts of Obamacare, because there's no sense being angry about something the Establishment has decided you can't change.Comments
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Bye
Posted by: Roy at March 18, 2015 07:57 PM (fWLrt)
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"Farewell" sounds far more gracious than "goodbye."
Posted by: kathysaysso at March 18, 2015 07:59 PM (fMQoG)
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It's going to be like pulling teeth just to get her medical records.
It's going to be like pulling teeth just to get her medical records.
Posted by: Sparky at March 18, 2015 08:00 PM (iQIUe)
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Right on Ace! I said goodbye to those bastards 3 elections ago. Eff em. In the ear.
Posted by: fastfreefall at March 18, 2015 08:00 PM (pqOzY)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 18, 2015 08:01 PM (OCcU9)
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WTH? That post edited itself from the moment I quit reading it to post my comment to the moment my comment posted. It used to end in "goodbye." Now it peters out with, "I'm choosing less." I can't count on anything anymore!
Posted by: kathysaysso at March 18, 2015 08:02 PM (fMQoG)
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Eventually you get used to the taste of ass.
Posted by: Allison Williams at March 18, 2015 08:02 PM (OoVgj)
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So you're a Democrat now, just like Charles.
Posted by: someguy at March 18, 2015 08:02 PM (3z91g)
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And some of us are illustrating this point to our children, who are accustomed to choosing sides. When you say, "Hey, we won!" there needs to be an answer to, "Well, what did we win?"
Posted by: spongeworthy at March 18, 2015 08:03 PM (e2bDT)
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As always, it will depend on the specific candidate, not their party affiliation.
I can vote for Scott Walker, Ted Cruz, maybe Rand Paul. I can't hold my nose and vote for the generic R anymore. (Most especially Jeb Bush, but there are many of those useless dweebs out there (Christ? Specter?).
Those types that call themselves Independent, occasionally voting for a decent republican, and otherwise voting for no one, or protest candidate, might be on to something.
Truly, we might as well have Hillary as preferable to Jeb, or the next McCain. At least, despite chronic dishonesty, we know what color her spots are. It's easier to be a deviant in a true socialist society than to a pawn in a faux capitalist society.
I can vote for Scott Walker, Ted Cruz, maybe Rand Paul. I can't hold my nose and vote for the generic R anymore. (Most especially Jeb Bush, but there are many of those useless dweebs out there (Christ? Specter?).
Those types that call themselves Independent, occasionally voting for a decent republican, and otherwise voting for no one, or protest candidate, might be on to something.
Truly, we might as well have Hillary as preferable to Jeb, or the next McCain. At least, despite chronic dishonesty, we know what color her spots are. It's easier to be a deviant in a true socialist society than to a pawn in a faux capitalist society.
Posted by: Sherwin Amiran at March 18, 2015 08:04 PM (Qm+vS)
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8 So you're a Democrat now, just like Charles.
So you're a vegetarian now, just like Hitler.
So you're a vegetarian now, just like Hitler.
Posted by: wooga at March 18, 2015 08:04 PM (OoVgj)
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It is coming to the time I go into the woods and live like my forefathers. With the big exception that off grid will include politics. Yeah missing modern conveniences will suck but not as much as the anal from the GOPe does.
Posted by: Robinson at March 18, 2015 08:04 PM (W2Cji)
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Whoever wins in 2016 is going to inherit a shitstorm of bad Obama fiscal, economic, and foreign policy. Hell, I'd almost be happier if it were Hillary.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at March 18, 2015 08:04 PM (lHXqq)
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Should I bookmark this and post the link around the next election?
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at March 18, 2015 08:04 PM (AC0lD)
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Velleity: A wish or inclination not strong enough to lead to action
Posted by: L, Elle at March 18, 2015 08:05 PM (MOr4F)
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I worked hard for the GOP in 2010 (precinct captain and everything) and as soon as they got House power in Jan 2011, they boned us. That's when I quit with I think actual scales falling from my eyes. But I was given some crap for not voting in the Fed elections anymore.
(although I admit to great schadenfreude of leftist tears when the dems lose)
I worked hard for the GOP in 2010 (precinct captain and everything) and as soon as they got House power in Jan 2011, they boned us. That's when I quit with I think actual scales falling from my eyes. But I was given some crap for not voting in the Fed elections anymore.
(although I admit to great schadenfreude of leftist tears when the dems lose)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 18, 2015 08:05 PM (ODxAs)
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I'm now all out rooting for student loans being made dischargeable in bankruptcy.
I mean, hey, since there can't be less of it, I want in on it.
I mean, hey, since there can't be less of it, I want in on it.
Posted by: alexthechick - I control the vertical at March 18, 2015 08:05 PM (IrByp)
Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 18, 2015 08:07 PM (VNgld)
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It's like that point where you realize that your girlfriend is a stone cold bitch, and it's just easier to whack off in your pajamas and do what ya want than put up with her shit - amirite, guys? Guys?
Posted by: Bruce Jenner's Plastic Vag at March 18, 2015 08:07 PM (8Re8t)
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Okay. Now that that's settled, what shall we talk about now?
Posted by: Soona at March 18, 2015 08:08 PM (/HX7u)
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9 And some of us are illustrating this point to our children, who are accustomed to choosing sides. When you say, "Hey, we won!" there needs to be an answer to, "Well, what did we win?"
You lose when you lose, and you lose when you win. The only winning move is to not play.
You lose when you lose, and you lose when you win. The only winning move is to not play.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 18, 2015 08:08 PM (0NdlF)
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I had been a loyal Republican since '84, until a few weeks ago when the amnesty cave forced me to re-register in Maryland. I'm now "Unaffiliated." No more money from me for any of them. I'm done. I'll vote for the candidate in the general that is not a progressive.
Posted by: bkeyser at March 18, 2015 08:08 PM (dG7DS)
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To quote AOS of a a week ago " The worst , the better "
Posted by: jaytrain at March 18, 2015 08:08 PM (mxSnD)
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I was a Repunlican for 35years. After the GOP funded EO Amnesty, I registered as an Independent. I'll vote for Conservatives as they come along, but I'm done with the GOP
Posted by: jrg at March 18, 2015 08:08 PM (qrNtI)
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I'm really wanting someone with a big voice or following to start another party or to take over the Constitution partly or something.
I am done believing in the GOP in any way, but I can't go commiecrat or just stay home so if there a halfway decent candidate with an R they will get my vote in Nov, and if there is a chance of some say in the primaries I'll not even change my registration just yet.
but if there were a real push to have a TaxedEnoughAlready party not just a name shysters use to get money out of people who don't know who to support I'd be there in a heartbeat. Sometimes I do wish we had a parliamentary system vs 2 party winner takes all in their district or state.
I am done believing in the GOP in any way, but I can't go commiecrat or just stay home so if there a halfway decent candidate with an R they will get my vote in Nov, and if there is a chance of some say in the primaries I'll not even change my registration just yet.
but if there were a real push to have a TaxedEnoughAlready party not just a name shysters use to get money out of people who don't know who to support I'd be there in a heartbeat. Sometimes I do wish we had a parliamentary system vs 2 party winner takes all in their district or state.
Posted by: PaleRider at March 18, 2015 08:09 PM (dkExz)
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The question is how big of a group the disaffected is. The Paleocons did this, too. And the world moved on.
Pat Buchanan was a serious candidate for President. Won primaries and shit.
His featured column at Unz is Mr. Paleoconservative, where he writes alongside Steve Sailer (column title: Human Biodiversity) and John Derbyshire (column title: Immigrant Doomsayer). All 3 men confident that the Republican Party hates them, always will hate them, and wants nothing to with them.
They write anyway. Cause writers are like that.
Pat Buchanan was a serious candidate for President. Won primaries and shit.
His featured column at Unz is Mr. Paleoconservative, where he writes alongside Steve Sailer (column title: Human Biodiversity) and John Derbyshire (column title: Immigrant Doomsayer). All 3 men confident that the Republican Party hates them, always will hate them, and wants nothing to with them.
They write anyway. Cause writers are like that.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 18, 2015 08:09 PM (ZPrif)
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21: This I choose not to play. This whole voting and expecting different results sucks.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 18, 2015 08:09 PM (ucDmr)
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adios amigo. I can't blame you one bit. Make take on it is, I'm done with National politics per se. The future and any hope lies in the state houses and a collective movement to once again place the power of the states over the power of the Feds. Otherwise, it's over.... and if it's over... it's all at the state level anyway.
Posted by: Yip at March 18, 2015 08:10 PM (84SRe)
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Is this where we say "Let it burn"?
Posted by: BignJames at March 18, 2015 08:10 PM (j7iSn)
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It's freeing to know you are hated by both major political parties in America.
Of course, the Communists did manage to get one of their own elected President.
Of course, the Communists did manage to get one of their own elected President.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 18, 2015 08:10 PM (ZPrif)
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I sat next to rep Kinzinger on a flight back to Chicago about 3 weeks before the Nov elections. He is a rep I generally like, but whenwe got into what their plans were if they did obtain control of the senate, one of the first things he said was 'republican sponsored immigration reform'
It's a DC thing. Once people are elected and removed from their representative districts, they lose bearing on what they represent, and simply become part of the court.
It's a DC thing. Once people are elected and removed from their representative districts, they lose bearing on what they represent, and simply become part of the court.
Posted by: Dr Gorgonzola at March 18, 2015 08:10 PM (e0JlW)
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Can you recommend a third party? Just so that the votes can be seen to move.
Posted by: Mark at March 18, 2015 08:10 PM (1Qsuq)
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Welcome to the party, Ace.
I get no less disgusted by the machinations at play, but at the end of the day I am warmed by the thought of the flames to come - hopefully those are just figurative flames, but if literal, well, that's fine too.
I get no less disgusted by the machinations at play, but at the end of the day I am warmed by the thought of the flames to come - hopefully those are just figurative flames, but if literal, well, that's fine too.
Posted by: krakatoa at March 18, 2015 08:11 PM (eCtnP)
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I agree. I am not a republican. I'm not a democrat either. I am a Constitutional. I know. That puts me outside, doesn't it?
Posted by: Eromero at March 18, 2015 08:12 PM (go5uR)
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Unless and until there's a third party break similar to the one that took place in 1852, I'll remain a Republican. If history means anything, a viable third party movement will only happen when prominent conservative politicians come to the same decision point Ace has reached. When they make the move, millions of others--equally disenchanted--will make the move with them.
Would a third, as-yet-unnamed party stand a chance? Sure. The Republicans did it when the Whigs refused to stand on principle. Besides, it's like Breitbart said: How hard is it to sell freedom?
Would a third, as-yet-unnamed party stand a chance? Sure. The Republicans did it when the Whigs refused to stand on principle. Besides, it's like Breitbart said: How hard is it to sell freedom?
Posted by: troyriser at March 18, 2015 08:12 PM (gJU39)
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I voted for Rick Scott because I have a personal hatred for Charlie Crist, but I didnt vote for anything or anyone else and unless a miracle happens and Jeff Sessions ends up as the Republican nominee, I cant see myself voting for another Republican again.
Posted by: Elize Nayden at March 18, 2015 08:12 PM (kFtap)
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Meanwhile BuzzFeed Ben and McKay Coppins feel it's totes necessary for us to know that Ted Cruz's wife had a serious bout of depression a decade ago resulting in her being given a ride home by the police.
Because that's really relevant.
Totes.
I have never liked Coppins and this seals it for me. I hope someone digs up shit on HIS family's personal travails.
Because that's really relevant.
Totes.
I have never liked Coppins and this seals it for me. I hope someone digs up shit on HIS family's personal travails.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 08:13 PM (9BRsg)
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So if the powers that be won on gay marriage and immigration, what's left? Abortion. As the public starts to get more anti-abortion and the bills start to come up for a vote, I could see the Koch/Bloomberb/Ellmers wing starting to say, wait, you mean you really want to pass laws about this? And then it starts to get real.
Posted by: bjk at March 18, 2015 08:13 PM (RcqHr)
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The Tea Party has been such a disappointment. Most of those that ran as tea party types turned out to be a bunch of pussies. The national organization is scam. It exists only to pay their staff six figure incomes. There really is no where for us to go.
Posted by: L, Elle at March 18, 2015 08:14 PM (MOr4F)
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I have more than enough bile to spread around for every one of you. My list is long and my arm is longer. Make sure your life insurance is paid up... for the children.
Who I will later eat.
Who I will later eat.
Posted by: President Prolapse at March 18, 2015 08:14 PM (y/p2Y)
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Welcome Ace, to the desert of the REAL. I gave up in 2005, actively opposed in 2008 and threw up my hands at all those arguing to 'change from within' back in 2013. My voice is as a flea in the Mojave...
Posted by: Tracy Coyle at March 18, 2015 08:14 PM (llSSe)
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Eventually you get used to the taste of ass.
Posted by: Allison Williams at March 18, 2015 08:02 PM (OoVgj)
Like pennies. Or so I'm told. A friend told me.
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Eventually you get used to the taste of ass.
Posted by: Allison Williams at March 18, 2015 08:02 PM (OoVgj)
Like pennies. Or so I'm told. A friend told me.
Posted by: A Republican Voter at March 18, 2015 08:15 PM (yxw0r)
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Just dont go Charles Football Johnson batshit.
Posted by: kansas at March 18, 2015 08:15 PM (vqsBK)
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Ace - What do you think of this in terms of what you do here? Does this realization motivate you to write more, or less?
Posted by: Dave S. at March 18, 2015 08:15 PM (UvR6d)
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Just had a conversation with my pops. Told him IMTHISCLOSE to being absolutely done with the Republican party.
He said to call and complain to the party, I told him it doesn't matter. He agreed but said at least they'll know why they're losing support even if they don't care.
So, I will call them tomorrow and see what happens.
He said to call and complain to the party, I told him it doesn't matter. He agreed but said at least they'll know why they're losing support even if they don't care.
So, I will call them tomorrow and see what happens.
Posted by: thathalfrican at March 18, 2015 08:15 PM (R5HRU)
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Ace, this is the best write up I've seen here and I fully agree.
I will only say to not feel like a communist or the like. It's not your/our fault.
Not to say the country is not going down the pipe. It obviously is but it is more than obvious that there is nothing anyone can do to get our R leaders to lead.
Stop the enabling is all I can say.
I will only say to not feel like a communist or the like. It's not your/our fault.
Not to say the country is not going down the pipe. It obviously is but it is more than obvious that there is nothing anyone can do to get our R leaders to lead.
Stop the enabling is all I can say.
Posted by: Drider at March 18, 2015 08:15 PM (6Xbsz)
Posted by: Ktgreat at March 18, 2015 08:15 PM (Bl4dy)
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It's pretty simple. In ruling class America, Democrat and Repub, opposition to Amnesty = Racism.
In modern America, Racism is the Worst Sin of All The Sins. Rupert Murdoch doesn't want his friends and family to call him a Racist, The Worst Thing Ever. Neither does Jeb Bush. Neither do the Republican Donor Class.
Repub Ruling Class wants Amnesty cause they want their social network in the rich parts of DC and NY to think they are good people and not some Worse Than Hitler Racist.
In modern America, Racism is the Worst Sin of All The Sins. Rupert Murdoch doesn't want his friends and family to call him a Racist, The Worst Thing Ever. Neither does Jeb Bush. Neither do the Republican Donor Class.
Repub Ruling Class wants Amnesty cause they want their social network in the rich parts of DC and NY to think they are good people and not some Worse Than Hitler Racist.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 18, 2015 08:16 PM (ZPrif)
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The 1983 movie War Games is now our political movie of choice.
The only winning move is to not play. How about a nice fifth of ValuRite?
The only winning move is to not play. How about a nice fifth of ValuRite?
Posted by: Robinson at March 18, 2015 08:16 PM (W2Cji)
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Re the Starbucks campaign: In the United States, coffee shops patronize YOU.
Posted by: Craig at March 18, 2015 08:16 PM (izO5v)
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I came to the same conclusion after the 2012 election. The GOP does not give fuck one about fixing a single problem in government. That's just shit they say so you'll re-hire them every 2 years. Nothing changes for the better. We lose more liberty and go further into debt every year. I've thrown up my hands and quit hoping for positive change. Now I just kick everyone in the balls, since they all deserve it.
Posted by: Jack O'Spades at March 18, 2015 08:17 PM (2eU95)
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>>. I will only say to not feel like a communist or the like. It's not your/our fault.
thank you, but i don't feel that way or feel it's my fault.
I feel relieved.
thank you, but i don't feel that way or feel it's my fault.
I feel relieved.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:17 PM (PA7DS)
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So we start from scratch as 'advocacy group' and attempt to get as many pledges as possible for our 'planks'.
What is the -long-term-vision- of the Moron Party? Recognizing we aren't there, we aren't -near- there, and i'll be a long-darn-hoe to -get- there.
I sum mine up as "Government of, by, and for Aesop's Ants."
It would probably require an Amendment or three, but the general idea is that -anything- that is a Right or can be considered "general welfare" can -not- be taxed (fined, assessed penalties, liened against, whatever).
What is the -long-term-vision- of the Moron Party? Recognizing we aren't there, we aren't -near- there, and i'll be a long-darn-hoe to -get- there.
I sum mine up as "Government of, by, and for Aesop's Ants."
It would probably require an Amendment or three, but the general idea is that -anything- that is a Right or can be considered "general welfare" can -not- be taxed (fined, assessed penalties, liened against, whatever).
Posted by: Alan at March 18, 2015 08:17 PM (uq4RW)
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The American Conservative Party has been around since 2008. All that evil needs to succeed is that it be the lesser.
Posted by: Tracy Coyle at March 18, 2015 08:17 PM (llSSe)
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Ace, I hear your blog is popular out on the interwebs. And your cobs have articles posted and stuff. Have you tried *calling* any politicians on the phone?
Posted by: Tonic Dog at March 18, 2015 08:17 PM (V206z)
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>>I read it. Could they be more deeply CONCERNED?
I loved (/sarc) the bait that BuzzFeedBen used in his tweet about how much he admires Mrs Cruz.
Fuck them both with a pineapple.
Seriously.
I loved (/sarc) the bait that BuzzFeedBen used in his tweet about how much he admires Mrs Cruz.
Fuck them both with a pineapple.
Seriously.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 08:17 PM (9BRsg)
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"Ace - What do you think of this in terms of what you do here? Does this realization motivate you to write more, or less?"
What happened to Charles when he became a Democrat?
He continued to write. Nobody bothered to read.
Somebody needs to peel the Valu-Rite out of Ace's hands.
What happened to Charles when he became a Democrat?
He continued to write. Nobody bothered to read.
Somebody needs to peel the Valu-Rite out of Ace's hands.
Posted by: someguy at March 18, 2015 08:18 PM (3z91g)
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As the public starts to get more anti-abortion and the bills start to come up for a vote,
As the population rises, and more to the point the population of young assholes rises, I don't see the public getting more anti-abortion than it already is.
It's easy to say that human life is sacred when human life is in the low millions. In the low billions, it's about a thousandth as sacred. Orangutan life is less common and worth more to me than quite a few percents of my fellow citizens, starting with the convicted felons.
As the population rises, and more to the point the population of young assholes rises, I don't see the public getting more anti-abortion than it already is.
It's easy to say that human life is sacred when human life is in the low millions. In the low billions, it's about a thousandth as sacred. Orangutan life is less common and worth more to me than quite a few percents of my fellow citizens, starting with the convicted felons.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 18, 2015 08:18 PM (AVEe1)
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Meh. Gave up on the party back in the 90s. I push for my beliefs. If the GOP is the closest, well, that's just peachy.
Posted by: anon a mouse at March 18, 2015 08:18 PM (KnbYp)
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Oh, and most of the people over at hotair can go fuck themselves with a dirty dog dish.
Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 18, 2015 08:18 PM (VNgld)
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I'm with AllenG, mostly. Except the salt part. If you salt where it stood, reclamation will be harder. Could we go lighter on the salt and have more fire?
Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 18, 2015 08:19 PM (RQ2Z6)
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>>.Ace - What do you think of this in terms of what you do here? Does this realization motivate you to write more, or less?
well it's very tricky because this is my income, isn't it? And people are expecting political posts, aren't they?
So my actual belief cannot be translated perfectly into action on the blog itself.
what I imagine i'll do is what i've been doing for a while: I will cover the major stories, without really giving a fuck, then write posts i care more about, either more philosophical or funny or completely removed from politics, and hope that enough people keep reading so that I don't have to get A Real Job.
well it's very tricky because this is my income, isn't it? And people are expecting political posts, aren't they?
So my actual belief cannot be translated perfectly into action on the blog itself.
what I imagine i'll do is what i've been doing for a while: I will cover the major stories, without really giving a fuck, then write posts i care more about, either more philosophical or funny or completely removed from politics, and hope that enough people keep reading so that I don't have to get A Real Job.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:19 PM (PA7DS)
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>>> You have not only lost, but you will always lose; you will not be permitted to win, ever. The entire Party will rise up to crush you should you signal any intention of bucking our Rule.
When rumors were swirling about a month ago that both the Huntsmans and/or the Romneys were going to do their best to depose Mike Lee from the senate, using their money to back an opponent in the primary possibly one of their family members too, Glenn went on a huge, enormous rant on his radio show. He said that he was planning to uproot his whole show, and move his basecamp of operations to Utah, camp out there for how ever long it took to help Mike Lee defeat the establishment Goliaths forming around his senatorship.
I could have kissed Glenn then and there, heh, for being willing to go that far. The establishment GOP never, ever forgave Mike Lee for deposing Bennett. They want his scalp. Beck's comments forced Huntsman Sr to put out a statement saying of course they will back Mike Lee. But I don't trust them one bit, they are scheming and raising money in the background, I can feel it. Good for Glenn for trying to fight these boa constrictors.
(And just for the record, Glenn owns land in Utah; is not a carpetbagger if he runs to Utah to try to help. He has skin in the game over who is involved in Utah politics.)
When rumors were swirling about a month ago that both the Huntsmans and/or the Romneys were going to do their best to depose Mike Lee from the senate, using their money to back an opponent in the primary possibly one of their family members too, Glenn went on a huge, enormous rant on his radio show. He said that he was planning to uproot his whole show, and move his basecamp of operations to Utah, camp out there for how ever long it took to help Mike Lee defeat the establishment Goliaths forming around his senatorship.
I could have kissed Glenn then and there, heh, for being willing to go that far. The establishment GOP never, ever forgave Mike Lee for deposing Bennett. They want his scalp. Beck's comments forced Huntsman Sr to put out a statement saying of course they will back Mike Lee. But I don't trust them one bit, they are scheming and raising money in the background, I can feel it. Good for Glenn for trying to fight these boa constrictors.
(And just for the record, Glenn owns land in Utah; is not a carpetbagger if he runs to Utah to try to help. He has skin in the game over who is involved in Utah politics.)
Posted by: LizLem at March 18, 2015 08:19 PM (yRwC8)
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It's literally too late to reverse the course we're on.
Better to accelerate it and get to the burning time stage while you're at a reasonable age.
Better to accelerate it and get to the burning time stage while you're at a reasonable age.
Posted by: Kreplach at March 18, 2015 08:20 PM (7sYcg)
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There is one party and it is the DC Establishment Party with a Communist Wing called Democrats and a pseudo-Opposition Wing called Republicans to fool the Constitutionally inclined voters into thinking that they are the ones making choices for the country. Both wings are totally corrupt (with a very few individual exceptions) and all legislation is coordinated and written with their personal power and perks first and foremost.
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 18, 2015 08:20 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: andycanuck at March 18, 2015 08:20 PM (kivUY)
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31
I sat next to rep Kinzinger on a flight back to Chicago about 3 weeks
before the Nov elections. He is a rep I generally like, but whenwe got
into what their plans were if they did obtain control of the senate, one
of the first things he said was 'republican sponsored immigration
reform'
It's a DC thing. Once people are elected and removed from their
representative districts, they lose bearing on what they represent, and
simply become part of the court.
Posted by: Dr Gorgonzola at March 18, 2015 08:10 PM (e0JlW)
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Went to the same church as him as a kid. I like him too, and he was the last rep I donated to, or ever will. I know he is friends with Schock, so hopeful he didn't take the wrong lessons.
I sat next to rep Kinzinger on a flight back to Chicago about 3 weeks
before the Nov elections. He is a rep I generally like, but whenwe got
into what their plans were if they did obtain control of the senate, one
of the first things he said was 'republican sponsored immigration
reform'
It's a DC thing. Once people are elected and removed from their
representative districts, they lose bearing on what they represent, and
simply become part of the court.
Posted by: Dr Gorgonzola at March 18, 2015 08:10 PM (e0JlW)
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Went to the same church as him as a kid. I like him too, and he was the last rep I donated to, or ever will. I know he is friends with Schock, so hopeful he didn't take the wrong lessons.
Posted by: Dave S. at March 18, 2015 08:20 PM (UvR6d)
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No, ace, I don't think you were a fool for defending the Republican Party. Lots of people, including the Tea Party, believed that taking over the Republican Party was the way to go, instead of starting from scratch with a new party.
But the Republican establishment has shown that they will fight this to the death.
Back in 1963, a representative in the House read into the Congressional Record a list of Communist goals.
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm
Reading the list, considering what America was like in 1963 vs. 2015, is chilling. They have succeeded across the board.
Of particular note is #15:
Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
The modern Democrat Party is thoroughly controlled by the radical left. But they have also made major inroads in the Republican Party as well.
While it is debatable whether or not it is big-C Communists doing it, the plain truth is that, today, both parties are run by people who have no interest in preserving the America we once knew. They are out to centralize as much power as possible into their own hands, public opinion and the Rule of Law be damned.
But the Republican establishment has shown that they will fight this to the death.
Back in 1963, a representative in the House read into the Congressional Record a list of Communist goals.
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm
Reading the list, considering what America was like in 1963 vs. 2015, is chilling. They have succeeded across the board.
Of particular note is #15:
Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
The modern Democrat Party is thoroughly controlled by the radical left. But they have also made major inroads in the Republican Party as well.
While it is debatable whether or not it is big-C Communists doing it, the plain truth is that, today, both parties are run by people who have no interest in preserving the America we once knew. They are out to centralize as much power as possible into their own hands, public opinion and the Rule of Law be damned.
Posted by: rickl at March 18, 2015 08:20 PM (sdi6R)
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if you notice i barely cover presidential politics, except when there's a scandal, because the Number of Fucks I give is pretty low already.
Oh, if you really want to know, i'm inclined more to some than to others, but end of the day, they're all amnesty shills, and they're all awful.
Oh, if you really want to know, i'm inclined more to some than to others, but end of the day, they're all amnesty shills, and they're all awful.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:20 PM (PA7DS)
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Hell of a post, Ace, and that's exactly how I feel about the situation too. I've been making a lot of noise about a third party lately. It may never be a winning move, but we don't have any winning moves with the Democrats or Republicans either. All we can do is vote our conscience and hope that others follow.
We need a big names and loud voices to lead the way, and the rest will fall into place.
We need a big names and loud voices to lead the way, and the rest will fall into place.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 08:20 PM (3HxZe)
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Well you can always hook
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 18, 2015 08:20 PM (zOTsN)
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I say, We're fine, I say we're fine as long as Ace doesn't start to peddle calendars.
get it?
That's a joke, I say that's a joke son!
get it?
That's a joke, I say that's a joke son!
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn. at March 18, 2015 08:21 PM (sH832)
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I guess that I'm an independent conservative.
So I have no party.
The chances that a Dem will take a stance that I agree with are slim.
The chance of a Repub doing so are slightly higher.
So I'll wait and see.
So I have no party.
The chances that a Dem will take a stance that I agree with are slim.
The chance of a Repub doing so are slightly higher.
So I'll wait and see.
Posted by: seamrog at March 18, 2015 08:21 PM (yEZw1)
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I'm focusing on keeping as much money as I can for retirement as well as my wine making skills.
Voting? Not so much...
Voting? Not so much...
Posted by: havildar-major at March 18, 2015 08:21 PM (MHnJ/)
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How about The Whigs? The Hipsters would love it.
Posted by: Mr. Natural at March 18, 2015 08:21 PM (/pOl7)
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20 Okay. Now that that's settled, what shall we talk about now?
Posted by: Soona at March 18, 2015 08:08 PM
TV shows that I don't give a shit about?
Posted by: Soona at March 18, 2015 08:08 PM
TV shows that I don't give a shit about?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 08:21 PM (RMo/a)
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You lose when you lose, and you lose when you win. The only winning move is to not play.
Just like marriage!
Just like marriage!
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 08:21 PM (mx5oN)
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I'm more persuaded by the guy who had that series of tweets a couple weeks ago. The conservative insurgency was never going to happen from the top down. It must be from the bottom up. Of course the establishment is holding on. But they will lose too.
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 08:22 PM (PaMwv)
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CD, not really. It's the truth that here in the DC area, "immigrants" are almost worshipped by the illiterati.
It's befuddling.
It's befuddling.
Posted by: anon a mouse at March 18, 2015 08:22 PM (KnbYp)
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CD, not really. It's the truth that here in the DC area, "immigrants" are almost worshipped by the illiterati.
It's befuddling.
It's befuddling.
Posted by: anon a mouse at March 18, 2015 08:22 PM (KnbYp)
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I'm with AllenG, mostly. Except the salt part. If
you salt where it stood, reclamation will be harder. Could we go lighter
on the salt and have more fire?
Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 18, 2015 08:19 PM (RQ2Z6)
Ash is beneficial for new growth! Salt tends to stick around!
you salt where it stood, reclamation will be harder. Could we go lighter
on the salt and have more fire?
Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 18, 2015 08:19 PM (RQ2Z6)
Ash is beneficial for new growth! Salt tends to stick around!
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 18, 2015 08:22 PM (ftVQq)
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Angry Day has morphed into Sad Day.
I see that nighttime has fallen on the East Coast.
The drinking has begun at HQ.
Will there be one more post -- sort of a Group Hug post -- before the blackout?
I see that nighttime has fallen on the East Coast.
The drinking has begun at HQ.
Will there be one more post -- sort of a Group Hug post -- before the blackout?
Posted by: zombie at March 18, 2015 08:22 PM (K4YiS)
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I will vote in the 2016 election, maybe only for Louie Gohmert, since I really like him. President, maybe or maybe not.
Mostly, I've moved to the fanfic story I'm doing in Skyrim. Unlike the real world, where I am nothing, my character Yssha can make a major difference.
Call it wimping out if you want, but at 71, I'm no longer up to much of a fight.
Mostly, I've moved to the fanfic story I'm doing in Skyrim. Unlike the real world, where I am nothing, my character Yssha can make a major difference.
Call it wimping out if you want, but at 71, I'm no longer up to much of a fight.
Posted by: Empire1 at March 18, 2015 08:22 PM (yvyec)
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oh here's something that's a bit of a relief to admit:
Yeah, they're keeping Obamacare. Not doing a damn thing about it. Except "fixing" it, whatever that means.
Not being Part of the Team means I am no longer expected to carry the team's feeble lies to an audience which doesn't even believe the lies, but just expects to be lied to, out of tradition.
so now i can be honest and say Accommodate yourself with Obamacare, because the GOP did in 2010.
oh here's something that's a bit of a relief to admit:
Yeah, they're keeping Obamacare. Not doing a damn thing about it. Except "fixing" it, whatever that means.
Not being Part of the Team means I am no longer expected to carry the team's feeble lies to an audience which doesn't even believe the lies, but just expects to be lied to, out of tradition.
so now i can be honest and say Accommodate yourself with Obamacare, because the GOP did in 2010.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:22 PM (PA7DS)
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I have never been a Republican. I have been accused of being one, by those who are not. But I have always been a conservative, and the Republicans just can't seem to be that for me. At least, nationally.
Locally, they are closer to being conservative. They can get away with cutting local government programs and entitlements. But once they go national, they have compromised too much to get the big bucks, and they can't go back.
I just vote for the least "progressive" among them, but they are all liberals. Every. Damned. One.
Locally, they are closer to being conservative. They can get away with cutting local government programs and entitlements. But once they go national, they have compromised too much to get the big bucks, and they can't go back.
I just vote for the least "progressive" among them, but they are all liberals. Every. Damned. One.
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 18, 2015 08:22 PM (+YMhA)
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All that evil needs to succeed is that it be the lesser.
Posted by: Tracy Coyle at March 18, 2015 08:17 PM (llSSe)
We always vote for the evil of two lessers.
Posted by: Tracy Coyle at March 18, 2015 08:17 PM (llSSe)
We always vote for the evil of two lessers.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2015 08:22 PM (W5DcG)
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I gave up on the GOP a while back. One of their minions called a few months ago to beg for money. I told the minion to tell his masters to take us off their List.
And to Never Call Back Again.
And they haven't.
And to Never Call Back Again.
And they haven't.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 08:22 PM (FsuaD)
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Wish I had written that. Well said
Posted by: great big Banana Republic at March 18, 2015 08:22 PM (+kznc)
Posted by: Ktgreat at March 18, 2015 08:23 PM (Bl4dy)
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This land of such dear souls, this dear dear land,
Dear for her reputation through the world,
Is now leased out.
Dear for her reputation through the world,
Is now leased out.
Posted by: rabbit anti at March 18, 2015 08:23 PM (8TvcI)
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Seems appropriate:
Ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government.
Ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess?
Ye have no more religion than my horse. Gold is your God. Which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defiled this sacred place, and turned the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices?
Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. You were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves become the greatest grievance.
-Cromwell on Parliament
Ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government.
Ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess?
Ye have no more religion than my horse. Gold is your God. Which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defiled this sacred place, and turned the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices?
Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. You were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves become the greatest grievance.
-Cromwell on Parliament
Posted by: Grey Fox at March 18, 2015 08:23 PM (rdohZ)
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Long time coming. We can mock them tho
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 18, 2015 08:23 PM (zOTsN)
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>>>Call it wimping out if you want, but at 71, I'm no longer up to much of a fight.
i feel that way. The resort to fantasy isn't courageous, but when they've left you no other choice, then it's permissible.
i feel that way. The resort to fantasy isn't courageous, but when they've left you no other choice, then it's permissible.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:23 PM (PA7DS)
Posted by: Robinson at March 18, 2015 08:23 PM (W2Cji)
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Happy Ace went away. Probably because of something you did.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at March 18, 2015 08:23 PM (yxw0r)
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Odd, that was...
Posted by: anon a mouse at March 18, 2015 08:24 PM (KnbYp)
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2015 08:24 PM (MDgS8)
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So is Ace not really a Democrat?
Posted by: freaked at March 18, 2015 08:24 PM (JdEZJ)
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Apropos of nothing, why does The Federalist get all all the cull from AoS? Are you getting a finder's fee, Ace?
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 18, 2015 08:24 PM (rwI+c)
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Used to attend fundraiser/dinners with my parents when I was a kid that Paul Laxalt would speak at. I remember listening to people talk about what we call the GOPe today. I remember listening to Richard Viguerie rail about them whenever he would show up. This was of course them preparing for Reagans run in 1980. My parents, including myself, were done with the Republican Party right after 1996. It has been a long 19 years wandering in the wilderness and listening to GOPe shills tell us what a bunch of f'ing unsophisticated rubes we are.
Posted by: JROD at March 18, 2015 08:24 PM (wnwJC)
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The US needs the equivalent of a UKIP party.
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at March 18, 2015 08:24 PM (A1Dcl)
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what I imagine i'll do is what i've been doing for a while: I will cover the major stories, without really giving a fuck, then write posts i care more about, either more philosophical or funny or completely removed from politics, and hope that enough people keep reading so that I don't have to get A Real Job.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:19 PM (PA7DS)
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You shouldnt give up writing about politics, ace. Even countries need obituarists!
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:19 PM (PA7DS)
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You shouldnt give up writing about politics, ace. Even countries need obituarists!
Posted by: Elize Nayden at March 18, 2015 08:24 PM (kFtap)
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Man, remember when Jeff Goldstein said all this 6 years ago, and y'all un-personed him for being so unhelpful to the GOP cause?
http://tinyurl.com/d2ml5j
That was something, wasn't it?
http://tinyurl.com/d2ml5j
That was something, wasn't it?
Posted by: Pablo at March 18, 2015 08:24 PM (Q8aWU)
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I feel relieved.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:17 PM (PA7DS)
It's liberating when you finally cast off the anchor that was dragging you down.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:17 PM (PA7DS)
It's liberating when you finally cast off the anchor that was dragging you down.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 08:24 PM (3HxZe)
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>>>Yes, Establishment GOP, you can teach us that you will always lie to us, stab us in the back,<<<
The nice thing about being a turtle is protection from getting stabbed in the back.
The nice thing about being a turtle is protection from getting stabbed in the back.
Posted by: TeenageAncient Mutant NinjaSenate Turtle at March 18, 2015 08:25 PM (c+Y7q)
106
Man I wish Giuliani could have won.
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2015 08:25 PM (MDgS8)
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so now i can be honest and say Accommodate yourself with Obamacare, because the GOP did in 2010.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:22 PM (PA7DS)
Since my husband had to cancel his company's insurance, I myself, am now paying $975/month. No health issues. No meds. But I'm covered for maternity (lol) and pediatric care. And I'll be paying for Sandra Fluke's birth control and abortions.
so now i can be honest and say Accommodate yourself with Obamacare, because the GOP did in 2010.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:22 PM (PA7DS)
Since my husband had to cancel his company's insurance, I myself, am now paying $975/month. No health issues. No meds. But I'm covered for maternity (lol) and pediatric care. And I'll be paying for Sandra Fluke's birth control and abortions.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 08:25 PM (FsuaD)
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Charles Footballs is a liberal douchebag. I don't understand why some of you are trying to draw a comparison here. Ace is not going to turn into a liberal douchebag, and there's nothing about rejecting the GOP that would suggest otherwise.
Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 18, 2015 08:25 PM (7Kbxu)
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-Cromwell on Parliament
Posted by: Grey Fox at March 18, 2015 08:23 PM (rdohZ)
Not fan of the Cromwell fella.
Bit of a tyrant and hard on the Catholics and Irish. Both of whom I am more than a little partial....
Posted by: Grey Fox at March 18, 2015 08:23 PM (rdohZ)
Not fan of the Cromwell fella.
Bit of a tyrant and hard on the Catholics and Irish. Both of whom I am more than a little partial....
Posted by: havildar-major at March 18, 2015 08:26 PM (MHnJ/)
110
There is no such thing as a Poo Shake. What they do is take about a pint of donor shit, thrown it in the blender, pour it into one of those empty plastic enema do hickeys, and stick it up your bum. It's a shit transplant and it's disgusting.
There is no such thing as a Poo Shake. What they do is take about a pint of donor shit, thrown it in the blender, pour it into one of those empty plastic enema do hickeys, and stick it up your bum. It's a shit transplant and it's disgusting.
Posted by: Sparky at March 18, 2015 08:26 PM (iQIUe)
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Dole was pushing for national health care back in 94. The GOP isn't exactly against ObamaCare...
Posted by: anon a mouse at March 18, 2015 08:26 PM (KnbYp)
112
I feel relieved, too.
I'm now resigned to the fact that we're all about to face a time unlike any other in the country's history. Call it Burning Times, the Tribulation, whatever. The end result will be a near-totalitarian, leftist dictatorship. It can't be otherwise. Voters are demanding it and both parties are just itching to provide it.
It's past time for all responsible people of good will to turn their attention to simple survival. Forget this bullshit and focus on what you need to do protect yourselves and your loved ones.
I'm now resigned to the fact that we're all about to face a time unlike any other in the country's history. Call it Burning Times, the Tribulation, whatever. The end result will be a near-totalitarian, leftist dictatorship. It can't be otherwise. Voters are demanding it and both parties are just itching to provide it.
It's past time for all responsible people of good will to turn their attention to simple survival. Forget this bullshit and focus on what you need to do protect yourselves and your loved ones.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at March 18, 2015 08:26 PM (lG2E3)
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I am now for the Big Tits party. I vote for the candidate with the biggest tits, wife with the biggest tits, or has the most advisors with big tits. Tiebreaker goes to juiciest asses!
Posted by: Bruce Jenner's Plastic Vag at March 18, 2015 08:26 PM (8Re8t)
114
Got two soft rolls of thunder, got a little dark in part of the sky, and that's it. That's what passes for rain these days.
Posted by: Sparky at March 18, 2015 08:27 PM (iQIUe)
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39
The Tea Party has been such a disappointment. Most of those that ran as
tea party types turned out to be a bunch of pussies. The national
organization is scam. It exists only to pay their staff six figure
incomes. There really is no where for us to go.
Posted by: L, Elle at March 18, 2015 08:14 PM (MOr4F)
------If we are all taking this as a moment of candor, I'd say that seeing how easily these organizations were co-opted, and how quickly they started to spend 99.9 cents of every dollar on themselves...well that was a big shot to the gut to me. Then the MS primary came, and the establishment transparently ran hard to the left to win, and it worked.
So, I think of myself as very much the minority in a minority party.
In my opinion, Ace's disgust at the establishment is disgust at a symptom. The problem is that voters are unserious, and this especially includes Republican primary voters. Michelle Bachman doesn't just bring up Gardisil because she is crazy. Todd Akin won that primary here for a reason too.
The Tea Party has been such a disappointment. Most of those that ran as
tea party types turned out to be a bunch of pussies. The national
organization is scam. It exists only to pay their staff six figure
incomes. There really is no where for us to go.
Posted by: L, Elle at March 18, 2015 08:14 PM (MOr4F)
------If we are all taking this as a moment of candor, I'd say that seeing how easily these organizations were co-opted, and how quickly they started to spend 99.9 cents of every dollar on themselves...well that was a big shot to the gut to me. Then the MS primary came, and the establishment transparently ran hard to the left to win, and it worked.
So, I think of myself as very much the minority in a minority party.
In my opinion, Ace's disgust at the establishment is disgust at a symptom. The problem is that voters are unserious, and this especially includes Republican primary voters. Michelle Bachman doesn't just bring up Gardisil because she is crazy. Todd Akin won that primary here for a reason too.
Posted by: Dave S. at March 18, 2015 08:27 PM (UvR6d)
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Welcome aboard.
The question is now, "what next? what can be done efficiently?"
That answer must consider the two-party control of the bureaucracy, the leftist infestation of media and education, the complete retardation of a large percentage of nominal Americans, and the balkanization of Rightwing politics ( do we really want Ron Paultards and Klansmen on our side?)
I don't think real Americans should be too gloomy about the prospects; we are the ones that produce goods in this country, we are the ones wearing badges in our communities, and we are the ones carrying rifles under the colors. How far can the thieves and communists go when we decide to dig in for actual confrontation?...which would be when the security community recognizes that their oaths of service are to American citizens, and not to politicians.
The only constant is the moral certainty is that like the GOPe is bipartisan, treason charges are bipartisan and nooses are bipartisan.
The question is now, "what next? what can be done efficiently?"
That answer must consider the two-party control of the bureaucracy, the leftist infestation of media and education, the complete retardation of a large percentage of nominal Americans, and the balkanization of Rightwing politics ( do we really want Ron Paultards and Klansmen on our side?)
I don't think real Americans should be too gloomy about the prospects; we are the ones that produce goods in this country, we are the ones wearing badges in our communities, and we are the ones carrying rifles under the colors. How far can the thieves and communists go when we decide to dig in for actual confrontation?...which would be when the security community recognizes that their oaths of service are to American citizens, and not to politicians.
The only constant is the moral certainty is that like the GOPe is bipartisan, treason charges are bipartisan and nooses are bipartisan.
Posted by: Grad School Fool at March 18, 2015 08:27 PM (A9KzJ)
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"Not being Part of the Team means I am no longer expected to carry the team's feeble lies to an audience which doesn't even believe the lies, but just expects to be lied to, out of tradition. "
Heh, if that isn't the truth then I don't know what is. I honestly don't think there is on person here who doesn't know that to be absolute truth.
Heh, if that isn't the truth then I don't know what is. I honestly don't think there is on person here who doesn't know that to be absolute truth.
Posted by: Drider at March 18, 2015 08:27 PM (6Xbsz)
118
Welcome to Team Let It Burn.
Posted by: butch at March 18, 2015 08:27 PM (HLx1C)
119
39 The Tea Party has been such a disappointment. Most of those that ran as tea party types turned out to be a bunch of pussies. The national organization is scam. It exists only to pay their staff six figure incomes. There really is no where for us to go.
Posted by: L, Elle at March 18, 2015 08:14 PM (MOr4F)
The legitimate Tea Party, the grassroots people who made it what it is, were co-opted by opportunistic hacks that saw another way to make their living in the DC money machine. Taken over by a new establishment and disenfranchised. The Republican Party in miniature.
Posted by: L, Elle at March 18, 2015 08:14 PM (MOr4F)
The legitimate Tea Party, the grassroots people who made it what it is, were co-opted by opportunistic hacks that saw another way to make their living in the DC money machine. Taken over by a new establishment and disenfranchised. The Republican Party in miniature.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 08:27 PM (3HxZe)
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i'm done with the republicans
Posted by: phoenixgirl GOP fuck you & your #'s at March 18, 2015 08:27 PM (u8GsB)
121
Please tell me ace's man crush on Joel McHale is safely locked away in the thread, below.
Posted by: Garrett at March 18, 2015 08:27 PM (LVSS3)
122
It's a shit transplant and it's disgusting.
Posted by: Sparky at March 18, 2015 08:26 PM (iQIUe)
The enema of your enemy is your friend.
Posted by: Sparky at March 18, 2015 08:26 PM (iQIUe)
The enema of your enemy is your friend.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2015 08:28 PM (W5DcG)
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Treebeard party: http://tinyurl.com/pxz6ojq
Posted by: LizLem at March 18, 2015 08:28 PM (yRwC8)
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On the bright side, I'm saving a few thousand a year by not donating to the party. Conversely, the party has no reason to listen to me.
I think I'm coming out ahead on the deal.
I think I'm coming out ahead on the deal.
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 18, 2015 08:28 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 08:28 PM (RMo/a)
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What could a third party hurt at this point?
What could a third party hurt at this point?
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2015 08:28 PM (MDgS8)
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I'm late to the thread Ace, but you summed up perfectly how I feel. I just can't write like that. I would like to forward this to my congresscritter.
Posted by: Infidel at March 18, 2015 08:28 PM (wz5uX)
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The machines are already programed for 2016. Guess what? You lost.
Posted by: President Prolapse at March 18, 2015 08:28 PM (y/p2Y)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 08:28 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: - smarty pants-suit at March 18, 2015 08:28 PM (Xf5ag)
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Glenn Beck is a nut but good for him. Didn't Levin say he was leaving too? Did he?
Posted by: freaked at March 18, 2015 08:28 PM (JdEZJ)
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What the entrenched establishment did to Chris McDaniel was as traitorous to this country as many of the things SCOAMF has done. They are corrupt to their core. Barring some meltdown, I'll vote for Cruz. Any amnesty is a non-starter for me. Rubio is out; I'm suspicious of Walker; and I'm not sure about Rand Paul although I think he's probably playing the game within the current structure to win. It is precisely this prevarication that is so distasteful to people of conscience and conviction.
Posted by: cyn at March 18, 2015 08:28 PM (zSpdH)
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It is once again time for the 'debate' on the Nature of Government...
Of what we, the People, want...
Just like in 1776...
Of what we, the People, want...
Just like in 1776...
Posted by: BB Wolf at March 18, 2015 08:28 PM (qh617)
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"Since my husband had to cancel his company's insurance, I myself, am now paying $975/month."
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My goodness that is staggering. That's just money flushed down the toilet, too. That's almost $12,000 a year you might otherwise have been able to save.
The burdens of ObamaCare are life ruining for some people. I'm fortunate right now to have decent, affordable insurance through my job, but I get anxiety attacks sometimes just thinking about how I may well be in a position like the one you described at some point. It would simply ruin me to have that kind of burden.
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My goodness that is staggering. That's just money flushed down the toilet, too. That's almost $12,000 a year you might otherwise have been able to save.
The burdens of ObamaCare are life ruining for some people. I'm fortunate right now to have decent, affordable insurance through my job, but I get anxiety attacks sometimes just thinking about how I may well be in a position like the one you described at some point. It would simply ruin me to have that kind of burden.
Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 18, 2015 08:28 PM (7Kbxu)
135
Please tell me ace's man crush on Joel McHale is safely locked away in the thread, below.
Posted by: Garrett at March 18, 2015 08:27 PM (LVSS3)
I thought his man crush was Bradley Cooper? Those beautiful blue eyes, man.
Posted by: Garrett at March 18, 2015 08:27 PM (LVSS3)
I thought his man crush was Bradley Cooper? Those beautiful blue eyes, man.
Posted by: LizLem at March 18, 2015 08:29 PM (yRwC8)
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The Republican party does not actually support any positions that actually impact anyone's life who is not already wealthy. Even then, it can't support spending cuts.
Posted by: SFGoth at March 18, 2015 08:29 PM (2QTPy)
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I lack the courage of my convictions. My husband has two years left until military retirement is a possibility. If I was brave, I would tell him to f-it all and punch. We'll go to the most conservative state we can find and vote for the most conservative politicians in that state and take care of our own. What the hell are we sacrificing for? Disillusioned? Yeah, maybe a little.
Posted by: no good deed at March 18, 2015 08:29 PM (ZKGnj)
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FWIW, the future you resign yourself to is neatly described as Illinois.
Posted by: Dr Gorgonzola at March 18, 2015 08:29 PM (e0JlW)
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In many ways, this is good news for the GOP. If the cons leave the party, beck et al, they can finally go full Olympia Snowe moderate, which is what they wanted all along.
Posted by: MJH at March 18, 2015 08:29 PM (BFRrE)
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Too bad. I actually think Clinton is beatable.
But then, it's hard to blame people. Sometimes, you just have to give up and leave the field.
Maybe an answer will present itself.
But then, it's hard to blame people. Sometimes, you just have to give up and leave the field.
Maybe an answer will present itself.
Posted by: Mr. Estrada at March 18, 2015 08:29 PM (RPsRI)
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Beck's comments forced Huntsman Sr to put out a statement saying of course they will back Mike Lee. But I don't trust them one bit, they are scheming and raising money in the background,
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Mike Lee announced his campaign co-chairs: Huntsman Jr and Bill Anderson (bigwig banker iirc in SLC). So some deal has been cut.
On the one hand, I'm glad Lee isn't going to get replaced by some squish. On the other, I don't like his recent bills. Both the tax one and the higher ed/federal aid one have a pretty big pandering component to them.
Hearing that Rubio is courting Mitt's favor. My prediction (which is probably not correct b/c I suck at these things) is that Lee will line up behind Rubio.
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Mike Lee announced his campaign co-chairs: Huntsman Jr and Bill Anderson (bigwig banker iirc in SLC). So some deal has been cut.
On the one hand, I'm glad Lee isn't going to get replaced by some squish. On the other, I don't like his recent bills. Both the tax one and the higher ed/federal aid one have a pretty big pandering component to them.
Hearing that Rubio is courting Mitt's favor. My prediction (which is probably not correct b/c I suck at these things) is that Lee will line up behind Rubio.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 08:29 PM (9BRsg)
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I registered for the American Constitution a few years ago. We don't have many choices in CO.
Posted by: Infidel at March 18, 2015 08:29 PM (wz5uX)
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I'm here for the Republican presidential primary bloodbath that is sure to ensue for the lead up to 2016. I remember the last one. Sorry I only lurked through it.
Posted by: JROD at March 18, 2015 08:29 PM (wnwJC)
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The GOPe long for the good old days of Bob Michel.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2015 08:30 PM (W5DcG)
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Voting local, to hell with national.
Learn from history or be doomed to repeat it. We know the GOP's choice.
Learn from history or be doomed to repeat it. We know the GOP's choice.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, by the Pale Moon light at March 18, 2015 08:30 PM (m9V0o)
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well it's very tricky because this is my income, isn't it? And people are expecting political posts, aren't they?
So my actual belief cannot be translated perfectly into action on the blog itself.
what I imagine i'll do is what i've been doing for a while: I will
cover the major stories, without really giving a fuck, then write posts i
care more about, either more philosophical or funny or completely
removed from politics, and hope that enough people keep reading so that I
don't have to get A Real Job.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:19 PM (PA7DS)
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Was mostly curious if you look at this as invigorating because you can be subversive when you feel it is needed, or look at it as constricting because your heart isn't in engaging in it at all. Sounds like the latter, at the moment.
well it's very tricky because this is my income, isn't it? And people are expecting political posts, aren't they?
So my actual belief cannot be translated perfectly into action on the blog itself.
what I imagine i'll do is what i've been doing for a while: I will
cover the major stories, without really giving a fuck, then write posts i
care more about, either more philosophical or funny or completely
removed from politics, and hope that enough people keep reading so that I
don't have to get A Real Job.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:19 PM (PA7DS)
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Was mostly curious if you look at this as invigorating because you can be subversive when you feel it is needed, or look at it as constricting because your heart isn't in engaging in it at all. Sounds like the latter, at the moment.
Posted by: Dave S. at March 18, 2015 08:30 PM (UvR6d)
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My quandry- My pick for President is going to have an R after his name. No candidate can win without a national presence. I will not support the RNC but I also know my candidate needs a national forum. Can we cripple the RNC and still have national support for a conservative candidate?
Posted by: Ben Had at March 18, 2015 08:30 PM (SjXm4)
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I think I'm coming out ahead on the deal.
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 18, 2015 08:28 PM (rwI+c)
or go full on insurgent
Pledge some 3x normal number and then never deliver, sorta like they do.
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 18, 2015 08:28 PM (rwI+c)
or go full on insurgent
Pledge some 3x normal number and then never deliver, sorta like they do.
Posted by: - smarty pants-suit at March 18, 2015 08:30 PM (Xf5ag)
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135
Please tell me ace's man crush on Joel McHale is safely locked away in the thread, below.
Posted by: Garrett at March 18, 2015 08:27 PM (LVSS3)
I thought his man crush was Bradley Cooper? Those beautiful blue eyes, man.
Posted by: LizLem at March 18, 2015 08:29 PM (yRwC
he compared megyn kelly's ass to a young kiefer sutherland......
Please tell me ace's man crush on Joel McHale is safely locked away in the thread, below.
Posted by: Garrett at March 18, 2015 08:27 PM (LVSS3)
I thought his man crush was Bradley Cooper? Those beautiful blue eyes, man.
Posted by: LizLem at March 18, 2015 08:29 PM (yRwC
he compared megyn kelly's ass to a young kiefer sutherland......
Posted by: phoenixgirl GOP fuck you & your #'s at March 18, 2015 08:30 PM (u8GsB)
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As the GOP was slowly infiltrated - well ok, not really - it's sucked for a long time and just got real obvious with George Walker Boooosh.
Let me start in a different place - how do we trust the people that will begin to become the foundation of the "new party"?
It seems that since the very definition of public servant or politician is miserable, fetid lying bastard, isn't anarchy the most suitable course?
Because, I'm good with that. I think I still have my A button from 1980 someplace, probably next to my skinny ties.
Let me start in a different place - how do we trust the people that will begin to become the foundation of the "new party"?
It seems that since the very definition of public servant or politician is miserable, fetid lying bastard, isn't anarchy the most suitable course?
Because, I'm good with that. I think I still have my A button from 1980 someplace, probably next to my skinny ties.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 18, 2015 08:30 PM (sH832)
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2015 08:31 PM (MDgS8)
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We can still try to throw shoes in the machines
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 18, 2015 08:31 PM (zOTsN)
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We always vote for the evil of two lessers.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2015 08:22 PM (W5DcG)
And that's the problem. The lesser evil is the same evil with PR targeted to your demographic to make it seem lesser.
When you vote for the lesser evil, Big Evil still wins.
It's time to find a way to vote for something that isn't evil. I'd settle for Chaotic Neutral.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2015 08:22 PM (W5DcG)
And that's the problem. The lesser evil is the same evil with PR targeted to your demographic to make it seem lesser.
When you vote for the lesser evil, Big Evil still wins.
It's time to find a way to vote for something that isn't evil. I'd settle for Chaotic Neutral.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 08:31 PM (3HxZe)
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I was depressed for a little while when I came to this realization. But not much later, yes, relief was a good word for it. When you finally understand that being part of that system hurts you, you become more focused on individual and family things, which is as it should be.
I will say I enjoy the philosophical politcal writings and posts though, even though most of us are conservatives because we waded through all of that already.
I was depressed for a little while when I came to this realization. But not much later, yes, relief was a good word for it. When you finally understand that being part of that system hurts you, you become more focused on individual and family things, which is as it should be.
I will say I enjoy the philosophical politcal writings and posts though, even though most of us are conservatives because we waded through all of that already.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 18, 2015 08:31 PM (ODxAs)
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I received a letter from Scott Walker asking for a donation to senator Ron Johnson. He was elected as a tea party deficit hawk, repeal Obama care. I feel like replying to him with ace's post
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 08:31 PM (znRvO)
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Thank God. Now if we can get ALL the conservatives to turn tail and run we can quit listening to the whining and not have to pander to them anymore. I was worried for a while that conservatives might take over the GOP but it looks like obviously they don't have the backbone. They'll take their ball and go home. They will be replaces with social liberals, fiscal conservatives who will now find a home in the GOP. /s I knew the conservative really didn't have any fight in them and were all talk. The liberals knew it too.
Posted by: Ed at March 18, 2015 08:31 PM (kdlr6)
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I am really beginning to see how Germany fell under the power of the madman in the 1930's.
That party was always a minority. Never a majority. But the "decent" and "honorable" people just could not be bothered to actually do something like actively oppose the bad guys.
Then: Sure, let him be second in command to an old sick dying man. Let's abrogate our legislative powers to that guy with the enabling legislation.
Today: Those actions are unconstitutional, but we will fund them anyway. They are ignoring our subpoenas and have been held in contempt by the US Congress; but we will fully fund government and we refuse to hold anyone accountable. Its too damned hard to actually do our jobs, and it gets in the way of what's really important, getting re-elected.
That party was always a minority. Never a majority. But the "decent" and "honorable" people just could not be bothered to actually do something like actively oppose the bad guys.
Then: Sure, let him be second in command to an old sick dying man. Let's abrogate our legislative powers to that guy with the enabling legislation.
Today: Those actions are unconstitutional, but we will fund them anyway. They are ignoring our subpoenas and have been held in contempt by the US Congress; but we will fully fund government and we refuse to hold anyone accountable. Its too damned hard to actually do our jobs, and it gets in the way of what's really important, getting re-elected.
Posted by: rd at March 18, 2015 08:31 PM (JMsTM)
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The only thing that surprised me this last year was finding out that our supposedly pro-life congress people are all really pro-choice. That's why I'm done with them.
Posted by: L, Elle at March 18, 2015 08:31 PM (MOr4F)
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>>>Please tell me ace's man crush on Joel McHale is safely locked away in the thread, below.
Posted by: Garrett at March 18, 2015 08:27 PM (LVSS3)
I thought his man crush was Bradley Cooper? Those beautiful blue eyes, man.
...
dude, Joel McHale might actually be hotter than Bradley Cooper, if such a thing is possible.
Posted by: Garrett at March 18, 2015 08:27 PM (LVSS3)
I thought his man crush was Bradley Cooper? Those beautiful blue eyes, man.
...
dude, Joel McHale might actually be hotter than Bradley Cooper, if such a thing is possible.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:32 PM (PA7DS)
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Ace is one joint away from being a libertarian. I don't mean that disparaging. He's like Mark Levin, if Mark Levin was an ewok. OK I'm still not making sense, and am half drunk, but most so called self professed conservatives are also statists, with less of a statist agenda, or a different statist agenda. Definitely not for self governence.
Posted by: People Corp at March 18, 2015 08:32 PM (TzeLs)
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Honestly, my eyes glaze over every time I read another wonkish inside-baseball post about this or that political battle.
I feel dirtied just trying to understand the inner-workings of our political class and its deep-pocketed backers.
That any sort of arcane knowledge is needed simply to discuss the ballpark chances of any odd legislation passing, much less understanding the incomprehensibly serpentine rules by which the political class has set itself apart of so many of the laws the rest of us live by is a glaring indictment of what our political process has become.
I feel dirtied just trying to understand the inner-workings of our political class and its deep-pocketed backers.
That any sort of arcane knowledge is needed simply to discuss the ballpark chances of any odd legislation passing, much less understanding the incomprehensibly serpentine rules by which the political class has set itself apart of so many of the laws the rest of us live by is a glaring indictment of what our political process has become.
Posted by: krakatoa at March 18, 2015 08:32 PM (eCtnP)
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Fuck yes , ace, get yer heat on
Posted by: Hill Clinton at March 18, 2015 08:33 PM (+YNzP)
Posted by: Sparky at March 18, 2015 08:33 PM (iQIUe)
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the democrat party thinks there aren't enough laws.
the republican party thinks there are just the right amount of laws.
the libertarian party thinks there are too many laws.
I know which one lines up the most with what I think.
the republican party thinks there are just the right amount of laws.
the libertarian party thinks there are too many laws.
I know which one lines up the most with what I think.
Posted by: X at March 18, 2015 08:33 PM (UqJ2q)
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37 Meanwhile BuzzFeed Ben and McKay Coppins feel it's totes necessary for us to know that Ted Cruz's wife had a serious bout of depression a decade ago resulting in her being given a ride home by the police.
Because that's really relevant.
Totes.
I have never liked Coppins and this seals it for me. I hope someone digs up shit on HIS family's personal travails.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 08:13 PM (9BRsg)
If she had made a crappy video game about it they would be hailing her as the next Shigeru Myamoto.
37 Meanwhile BuzzFeed Ben and McKay Coppins feel it's totes necessary for us to know that Ted Cruz's wife had a serious bout of depression a decade ago resulting in her being given a ride home by the police.
Because that's really relevant.
Totes.
I have never liked Coppins and this seals it for me. I hope someone digs up shit on HIS family's personal travails.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 08:13 PM (9BRsg)
If she had made a crappy video game about it they would be hailing her as the next Shigeru Myamoto.
Posted by: Buzzion at March 18, 2015 08:33 PM (oWDzK)
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"well it's very tricky because this is my income, isn't it?"
Was.
That's the word you're looking for.
The next word you'll be looking for is "do you want fries with that?"
I watched Charles descend into his pit.
That was fun.
This is going to be epic.
Was.
That's the word you're looking for.
The next word you'll be looking for is "do you want fries with that?"
I watched Charles descend into his pit.
That was fun.
This is going to be epic.
Posted by: someguy at March 18, 2015 08:33 PM (3z91g)
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A couple of months back, maybe at Christmas time, I had a conversation with my parents and told them I wouldn't vote for Jeb Bush, and I wouldn't give any more money or time to the GOP. They looked at me like I'd grown a third ear in my forehead, but when I asked what the difference was between Bush and Clinton (other than tax rates) they got the point.
There isn't one.
There isn't one.
Posted by: MTF, Vote For The One GOP Insiders Hate! at March 18, 2015 08:33 PM (TcePY)
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Well, perhaps some of YOU are willing to let your children grow up in a dark nightmare future when the politically connected friends of Hilliary Clinton are appointed ambassador of some nice European country where the food is good, instead of a bright new tomorrow were the politically connected friends of Jeb Bush are appointed
ambassador of some nice European country where the food is good.
But not I, good Sir.
Not I.
Well, perhaps some of YOU are willing to let your children grow up in a dark nightmare future when the politically connected friends of Hilliary Clinton are appointed ambassador of some nice European country where the food is good, instead of a bright new tomorrow were the politically connected friends of Jeb Bush are appointed
ambassador of some nice European country where the food is good.
But not I, good Sir.
Not I.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 18, 2015 08:34 PM (kdS6q)
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>>> Mike Lee announced his campaign co-chairs: Huntsman Jr and Bill Anderson (bigwig banker iirc in SLC). So some deal has been cut.
Ooooh, did not know that Y-Not! Good to know. I love Lee, if they get their claws in him and poison him into becoming an establishment congresscritter I will burn all the things. Chaffetz has been turning into a schmuck recently, it feels like, cannot lose Lee too.
It's bad enough getting and keeping conservative reps in a solidly red state; don't know how you guys in purple and red states cope.
Oh yes I do: drinking.
Ooooh, did not know that Y-Not! Good to know. I love Lee, if they get their claws in him and poison him into becoming an establishment congresscritter I will burn all the things. Chaffetz has been turning into a schmuck recently, it feels like, cannot lose Lee too.
It's bad enough getting and keeping conservative reps in a solidly red state; don't know how you guys in purple and red states cope.
Oh yes I do: drinking.
Posted by: LizLem at March 18, 2015 08:34 PM (yRwC8)
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whoops meant purple and blue states
Posted by: LizLem at March 18, 2015 08:34 PM (yRwC8)
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I state this unequivocally, I have a crush on zombie.
Posted by: Hill Clinton at March 18, 2015 08:34 PM (+YNzP)
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147 Can we cripple the RNC and still have national support for a conservative candidate?
Posted by: Ben Had at March 18, 2015 08:30 PM (SjXm4)
Are you kidding?
Posted by: Ben Had at March 18, 2015 08:30 PM (SjXm4)
Are you kidding?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 08:34 PM (znRvO)
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2015 08:35 PM (MDgS8)
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A US version of UKIP would be a good idea. Start as a rabble rouser / spoiler party and hopefully progress to bigger things.
Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 18, 2015 08:35 PM (/WPPJ)
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dude, Joel McHale might actually be hotter than Bradley Cooper, if such a thing is possible.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:32 PM (PA7DS)
No. Way. Plus, Bradley Cooper has a nice, firm ass. Or so I imagine.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:32 PM (PA7DS)
No. Way. Plus, Bradley Cooper has a nice, firm ass. Or so I imagine.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 08:35 PM (FsuaD)
176
So Ewok/Beck, 2016, then?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 18, 2015 08:36 PM (1ND2u)
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"The only thing that surprised me this last year was finding out that our
supposedly pro-life congress people are all really pro-choice. That's
why I'm done with them."
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THIS x1000.
Fuck Renee Elmers, in particular. To this day she doesn't have the integrity to admit that she's completely full of shit with regards to protecting the unborn.
supposedly pro-life congress people are all really pro-choice. That's
why I'm done with them."
=====
THIS x1000.
Fuck Renee Elmers, in particular. To this day she doesn't have the integrity to admit that she's completely full of shit with regards to protecting the unborn.
Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 18, 2015 08:36 PM (7Kbxu)
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Feels like I'm living in Firefly.
Ace and Mal could have been brothers.
Well, except for the height.
And the hairy back and all.
Ace and Mal could have been brothers.
Well, except for the height.
And the hairy back and all.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 18, 2015 08:36 PM (PJOJz)
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L, Elle at March 18, 2015 08:31 PM (MOr4F)
I have to say that was really surprising actually. It's amazing how strident people like Renee Ellmers were behind close doors on killing that late term ban, while she was very pro-life in her facebook posts. Maybe it was all about that rape reporting provision, but if so, she handled it very very wrong.
I have to say that was really surprising actually. It's amazing how strident people like Renee Ellmers were behind close doors on killing that late term ban, while she was very pro-life in her facebook posts. Maybe it was all about that rape reporting provision, but if so, she handled it very very wrong.
Posted by: MJH at March 18, 2015 08:36 PM (BFRrE)
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A US version of UKIP would be a good idea. Start as a rabble rouser / spoiler party and hopefully progress to bigger things.
Could be.
A US version of UKIP would be a good idea. Start as a rabble rouser / spoiler party and hopefully progress to bigger things.
Could be.
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2015 08:36 PM (MDgS8)
181
When your nominal parties first shot out of the gate after it won a historical mandate is to give kickbacks to Wall Street and to repudiate literally everything it said it would do if elected is a clear indication the you didn't leave the party, the party left you.
Posted by: Kreplach at March 18, 2015 08:36 PM (7sYcg)
182
You are nothing but head lice on a corpse. There's coal that needs diggin and cotton that needs pickkin. Get back to work.
Posted by: President Prolapse at March 18, 2015 08:36 PM (y/p2Y)
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*sigh* I've been saying the same thing for years, Ace. There isn't a dimes worth of difference...
Posted by: Zombie George Wallace at March 18, 2015 08:36 PM (EmwFM)
184
Well.........Bye.
Posted by: "Curly Bill" Brocious at March 18, 2015 08:36 PM (FBT67)
185
Well, perhaps some of YOU are willing to let your children grow up in a dark nightmare future
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix
Big Colander has just replaced Big Popcorn on the Dow Jones Index.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix
Big Colander has just replaced Big Popcorn on the Dow Jones Index.
Posted by: zombie at March 18, 2015 08:37 PM (K4YiS)
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There . . .
is . . .
another . . .
Sky . . .
walker . . .
This seems to fit, but damned if I know exactly how or why.
is . . .
another . . .
Sky . . .
walker . . .
This seems to fit, but damned if I know exactly how or why.
Posted by: filbert at March 18, 2015 08:37 PM (h6Mpm)
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Man, being on the blog today has made me realize.....Lent lasts a long friggin' time.
I need a drink, bad.
I need a drink, bad.
Posted by: thathalfrican at March 18, 2015 08:37 PM (R5HRU)
Posted by: Garrett at March 18, 2015 08:37 PM (LVSS3)
189
Well said, Ace. The GOPe roped us off pretty good. What are we gonna do - vote for the dems? I think there was an album titled 'We've Been Had Again'. But never again.
Posted by: Afroman at March 18, 2015 08:37 PM (yHYo1)
Posted by: Hill Clinton at March 18, 2015 08:37 PM (+YNzP)
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The States have always been our only real hope. The Federal government is doomed along with the dollar.
I had some fun today explaining to someone why the Fed can no longer allow interest rates to rise. The last 10Trillion borrowed makes that just impossible.
I had some fun today explaining to someone why the Fed can no longer allow interest rates to rise. The last 10Trillion borrowed makes that just impossible.
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 18, 2015 08:37 PM (rwI+c)
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UKIP are called nazis, have attracted some loon candidates, and are polling around 6%
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 18, 2015 08:37 PM (zOTsN)
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I used to listen to Beck on occasion. Then he went all messianic and preachy. And the litany of his health issues, while I was watching my BFF die slowly and horribly wore me down.
Glad he's well now. I just can't listen to him any more.
Glad he's well now. I just can't listen to him any more.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 08:37 PM (FsuaD)
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Well, perhaps some of YOU are willing to let your children...
But not I, good Sir.
Not I.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 18, 2015 08:34 PM (
So which one does your children prefer?
Well, perhaps some of YOU are willing to let your children...
But not I, good Sir.
Not I.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 18, 2015 08:34 PM (
So which one does your children prefer?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 08:37 PM (znRvO)
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2015 08:38 PM (MDgS8)
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UKIP are called nazis, have attracted some loon candidates, and are polling around 6%
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 18, 2015 08:37 PM (zOTsN)
they call everyone they don't likie nazi's
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 18, 2015 08:37 PM (zOTsN)
they call everyone they don't likie nazi's
Posted by: - smarty pants-suit at March 18, 2015 08:38 PM (Xf5ag)
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When I finally realized there is no difference between the Dems and the Repubs I feel into a deep, satisfying sleep. Wake me when they unite and a new party emerges...
Posted by: HarriedandHopeless at March 18, 2015 08:38 PM (3MBW9)
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"No. Way. Plus, Bradley Cooper has a nice, firm ass. Or so I imagine."
Yeah, but he ain't no young Kiefer Sutherland.
Yeah, but he ain't no young Kiefer Sutherland.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 08:38 PM (FBT67)
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IF there is a candidate that I KNOW to be conservative, I'll vote for that individual.
Otherwise, I'd prefer to throw my vote away on a third party. Maybe if the GOP sees a 5% drop that shows up for the Libertarian or Constitution Party, they won't be so smug.
Otherwise, I'd prefer to throw my vote away on a third party. Maybe if the GOP sees a 5% drop that shows up for the Libertarian or Constitution Party, they won't be so smug.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 18, 2015 08:39 PM (MMC8r)
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Huffamoose's second album. Okay - a little esoteric...
Posted by: Afroman at March 18, 2015 08:39 PM (yHYo1)
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I witnessed Charles Johnson go through the change
Ace is a different breed altogether.
Posted by: Hill Clinton at March 18, 2015 08:37 PM (+YNzP)
LPTB, little pink tether balls?
I witnessed Charles Johnson go through the change
Ace is a different breed altogether.
Posted by: Hill Clinton at March 18, 2015 08:37 PM (+YNzP)
LPTB, little pink tether balls?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 08:39 PM (znRvO)
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I love Lee, if they get their claws in him and poison him into becoming an establishment congresscritter I will burn all the things.
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Chaffetz is so crassly ambitious he has no soul. I know folks who went to h.s. w/ him and are still connected to him and they all say he's a weasel.
I think Lee has more principles than that, I really do. I just think he had to cut a deal in order to keep the wolves at bay. So I'm disappointed w/ some of his recent stuff, but he's better than Orrin or Chaffetz or that odious turd Dan Liljenquist.
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Chaffetz is so crassly ambitious he has no soul. I know folks who went to h.s. w/ him and are still connected to him and they all say he's a weasel.
I think Lee has more principles than that, I really do. I just think he had to cut a deal in order to keep the wolves at bay. So I'm disappointed w/ some of his recent stuff, but he's better than Orrin or Chaffetz or that odious turd Dan Liljenquist.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 08:39 PM (9BRsg)
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>>>Meanwhile BuzzFeed Ben and McKay Coppins feel it's totes necessary for
us to know that Ted Cruz's wife had a serious bout of depression a
decade ago resulting in her being given a ride home by the police.
Because that's really relevant.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 08:13 PM (9BRsg)<<<
But I don't suffer from Resting Bitch Face, so I'd still make a far more cheerful First Lady than Mooch.
us to know that Ted Cruz's wife had a serious bout of depression a
decade ago resulting in her being given a ride home by the police.
Because that's really relevant.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 08:13 PM (9BRsg)<<<
But I don't suffer from Resting Bitch Face, so I'd still make a far more cheerful First Lady than Mooch.
Posted by: Mrs. Ted Cruz at March 18, 2015 08:39 PM (c+Y7q)
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"No. Way. Plus, Bradley Cooper has a nice, firm ass. Or so I imagine."
Yeah, but he ain't no young Kiefer Sutherland.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 08:38 PM (FBT67)
Let's ask ace!
"No. Way. Plus, Bradley Cooper has a nice, firm ass. Or so I imagine."
Yeah, but he ain't no young Kiefer Sutherland.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 08:38 PM (FBT67)
Let's ask ace!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 08:39 PM (FsuaD)
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I may have heard this on Rush, but I can't remember exactly where I heard it, but it fits the thread:
Hillary 2016
Because you already know in your heart you can't trust her!
Hillary 2016
Because you already know in your heart you can't trust her!
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 18, 2015 08:39 PM (ftVQq)
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Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:19 PM (PA7DS)
Look at the bright side. Now that you're no longer a Republican, you're in a target rich environment. I don't think you'll have any lack of material. Tear 'em both a new one, they deserve it.
Look at the bright side. Now that you're no longer a Republican, you're in a target rich environment. I don't think you'll have any lack of material. Tear 'em both a new one, they deserve it.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 08:39 PM (3HxZe)
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"Well, perhaps some of YOU are willing to let your children grow up in a
dark nightmare future when the politically connected friends of Hilliary
Clinton are appointed ambassador of some nice European country where
the food is good, instead of a bright new tomorrow were the politically
connected friends of Jeb Bush are appointed
ambassador of some nice European country where the food is good.
But not I, good Sir."
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That's not it.
What some of us are saying is that all of the children are going to grow up in that nightmare future, period, and your only hope is to mitigate the damage in ways other than expecting Republicans to do anything about it, because they have no desire to do so.
They want the dystopia, too, because they think they won't be affected by it.
dark nightmare future when the politically connected friends of Hilliary
Clinton are appointed ambassador of some nice European country where
the food is good, instead of a bright new tomorrow were the politically
connected friends of Jeb Bush are appointed
ambassador of some nice European country where the food is good.
But not I, good Sir."
==========
That's not it.
What some of us are saying is that all of the children are going to grow up in that nightmare future, period, and your only hope is to mitigate the damage in ways other than expecting Republicans to do anything about it, because they have no desire to do so.
They want the dystopia, too, because they think they won't be affected by it.
Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 18, 2015 08:39 PM (7Kbxu)
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At least interest rates will either go up or down or not.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2015 08:39 PM (W5DcG)
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Meh, I still plan on voting Republican.
you're part of the problem - no, you're part of the problem - no you're part of the problem - no, you're part of the problem - etc, etc, meh.
you're part of the problem - no, you're part of the problem - no you're part of the problem - no, you're part of the problem - etc, etc, meh.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 18, 2015 08:39 PM (ZPrif)
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171 I state this unequivocally, I have a crush on zombie.
Posted by: Hill Clinton
The coupling will be interesting n the extreme, since neither one of us know what gender the other one is!
"You drop trou first."
"No, you go first."
This would make a good sitcom.
Posted by: Hill Clinton
The coupling will be interesting n the extreme, since neither one of us know what gender the other one is!
"You drop trou first."
"No, you go first."
This would make a good sitcom.
Posted by: zombie at March 18, 2015 08:40 PM (K4YiS)
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Remember when we all thought Paul Ryan was a wicked cool math dude who just hated the deficits and spending.
Good times. good times.
Remember when we all thought Paul Ryan was a wicked cool math dude who just hated the deficits and spending.
Good times. good times.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 18, 2015 08:40 PM (ODxAs)
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174 A US version of UKIP would be a good idea. Start as a rabble rouser / spoiler party and hopefully progress to bigger things.
Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 18, 2015 08:35 PM (/WPPJ)
Independence Party! Let's make it!
Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 18, 2015 08:35 PM (/WPPJ)
Independence Party! Let's make it!
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 08:40 PM (3HxZe)
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dude, Joel McHale might actually be hotter than Bradley Cooper, if such a thing is possible.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:32 PM (PA7DS)
I love how tall Joel is. I used to be a big watcher of the Soup, and it was loltastic when actors would come on the set and look like shrimps next to him. We are talking pygmy people here.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:32 PM (PA7DS)
I love how tall Joel is. I used to be a big watcher of the Soup, and it was loltastic when actors would come on the set and look like shrimps next to him. We are talking pygmy people here.
Posted by: LizLem at March 18, 2015 08:40 PM (yRwC8)
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Same thing for me with Beck, Jane. He goes on these rants and I just get tired of it. Then the next day the show will be light and funny.
One extreme or the other.
One extreme or the other.
Posted by: Ktgreat at March 18, 2015 08:40 PM (Bl4dy)
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When I get weary of voting for the lesser of two weevils, I think about Bush vs. Gore.
Think if Gore had won.
He would have signed onto the Kyoto BS (as well as enacting heaps of other absurd environmental laws). Then we'd have this current, natural "pause" in global warming... which he would take credit for! "Look what we did! We saved the planet! Now we've PROVEN that our environmentalism works! You will obey us forever!"
As it is, they are now running in circles trying to concoct excuses for the "pause."
We dodged a bullet with that one!
Think if Gore had won.
He would have signed onto the Kyoto BS (as well as enacting heaps of other absurd environmental laws). Then we'd have this current, natural "pause" in global warming... which he would take credit for! "Look what we did! We saved the planet! Now we've PROVEN that our environmentalism works! You will obey us forever!"
As it is, they are now running in circles trying to concoct excuses for the "pause."
We dodged a bullet with that one!
Posted by: RKae at March 18, 2015 08:40 PM (s3V7p)
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192, ThunderB - that is the danger. You do have to keep out the loonies. And the worse things become, the harder it is to keep the loonies away. But you woudl have to do that, to avoid those mistakes here in the US.
Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 18, 2015 08:40 PM (/WPPJ)
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>>>> Fuck Renee Elmers, in particular. To this day she doesn't have the integrity to admit that she's completely full of shit with regards to protecting the unborn.
Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 18, 2015 08:36 PM (7Kbxu)
Yup. The last political donation I am going to make is to the guy that's going to primary her. These people are so craven. Of all things to lie about, I'm not going to let you ever again lie to my face about an issue that most of take so seriously and then reward you with my vote. Screw em all. Bunch of fcking liars. They can go rot in hell.
Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 18, 2015 08:36 PM (7Kbxu)
Yup. The last political donation I am going to make is to the guy that's going to primary her. These people are so craven. Of all things to lie about, I'm not going to let you ever again lie to my face about an issue that most of take so seriously and then reward you with my vote. Screw em all. Bunch of fcking liars. They can go rot in hell.
Posted by: L, Elle at March 18, 2015 08:41 PM (MOr4F)
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i feel that way. The resort to fantasy isn't courageous, but when they've left you no other choice, then it's permissible.
Thank you, Ace. I have respected your opinions for many years.
I am 71, with a disabled husband, and simply do not feel able to fight at this point. So we are bunkering in, and I resort to Skyrim to avoid complete depression.
Thank you, Ace. I have respected your opinions for many years.
I am 71, with a disabled husband, and simply do not feel able to fight at this point. So we are bunkering in, and I resort to Skyrim to avoid complete depression.
Posted by: Empire1 at March 18, 2015 08:41 PM (yvyec)
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Laws are proposed on a ballot and the general public vote on them.
Regardless of the outcome, the Courts can overturn the will of the People.
That in itself is fu(kd up.
Regardless of the outcome, the Courts can overturn the will of the People.
That in itself is fu(kd up.
Posted by: seamrog at March 18, 2015 08:41 PM (yEZw1)
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I've been Unaffiliated since 2005, when the eGOP bailed on W when he spent his "political capital" after the election on getting a tiny portion of Social Security put into personal accounts. I still to this day think that was one of the key things necessary to get entitlements under control, and for all W's faults, he really did try to do something very important. And the fucking eGOP fucking bailed on him.
I learned where they stood that day, and determined it was NOT with me.
I've not seen anything from eGOP since to change that.
I learned where they stood that day, and determined it was NOT with me.
I've not seen anything from eGOP since to change that.
Posted by: Oedipus at March 18, 2015 08:41 PM (CXLVd)
Posted by: Garrett at March 18, 2015 08:41 PM (LVSS3)
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I'm pretty sure we are being set up to be disappointed by Walker. We could do worse though.
Posted by: freaked at March 18, 2015 08:41 PM (JdEZJ)
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Meanwhile BuzzFeed Ben and McKay Coppins feel it's totes necessary for
us to know that Ted Cruz's wife had a serious bout of depression a
decade ago resulting in her being given a ride home by the police.
But TFG's whereabouts in Pakistan, in college, or in church are meaningless.
us to know that Ted Cruz's wife had a serious bout of depression a
decade ago resulting in her being given a ride home by the police.
But TFG's whereabouts in Pakistan, in college, or in church are meaningless.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 18, 2015 08:41 PM (MMC8r)
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One of my kittehs, Spanky, is very conservative. And she's sweet and loving, and doesn't anger easily or hold grudges. She also captures and kills bugs and lizards who creep into the house. So she earns her keep.
I'll write her in the next election.
I'll write her in the next election.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 08:42 PM (FsuaD)
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The only thing I don't like about McHale is he used the hated "Wingnut" phrase.
Couldn't stand the sight of him after that.
The only thing I don't like about McHale is he used the hated "Wingnut" phrase.
Couldn't stand the sight of him after that.
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2015 08:42 PM (MDgS8)
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This.
This is why I'm going on 45-years-old and I've never voted in a national election. Oh, I had good excuses when I was on active-duty, I was always deployed, TDY or snowed in during those times ('96 I was in Bosnia, 2000 I was snowed in behind the Sandia Mountains, 2004 I was in Qatar, 2008 I was TDY for mountain training). But even after I retired, I just had no desire to stand in line at some church or community center, just to pick the lesser of two corrupt jack-offs. Deep down, I knew it was a waste of time. Good to see more people opening their eyes to the grand charade.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss....
This is why I'm going on 45-years-old and I've never voted in a national election. Oh, I had good excuses when I was on active-duty, I was always deployed, TDY or snowed in during those times ('96 I was in Bosnia, 2000 I was snowed in behind the Sandia Mountains, 2004 I was in Qatar, 2008 I was TDY for mountain training). But even after I retired, I just had no desire to stand in line at some church or community center, just to pick the lesser of two corrupt jack-offs. Deep down, I knew it was a waste of time. Good to see more people opening their eyes to the grand charade.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss....
Posted by: Pave Low John at March 18, 2015 08:42 PM (b5yHT)
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>>>Well, perhaps some of YOU are willing to let your children grow up in a dark nightmare future
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix
what is the goP doing different? Are they cutting spending?
I wrote above in the post, in an update, let's be real, the GOP is pro-Obamacare, in reality. They're never going to repeal that. They just want the votes of people who want it repealed.
Do you agree with that, or do you disagree?
if you agree, you sort of get where I'm coming from, with my basic position: What is the real difference?
Yes, there is a difference, but i can't say that one shade of socialism is Good while another is a Nightmare.
Both parties are vying to socialize America and to manage its decline into an aging, post-vigor caretaker/welfare state.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix
what is the goP doing different? Are they cutting spending?
I wrote above in the post, in an update, let's be real, the GOP is pro-Obamacare, in reality. They're never going to repeal that. They just want the votes of people who want it repealed.
Do you agree with that, or do you disagree?
if you agree, you sort of get where I'm coming from, with my basic position: What is the real difference?
Yes, there is a difference, but i can't say that one shade of socialism is Good while another is a Nightmare.
Both parties are vying to socialize America and to manage its decline into an aging, post-vigor caretaker/welfare state.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:42 PM (PA7DS)
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>>>>> Remember when we all thought Paul Ryan was a wicked cool math dude who just hated the deficits and spending.
Good times. good times.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 18, 2015 08:40 PM (ODxAs)
Yeah, that was AWESOME!
Good times. good times.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 18, 2015 08:40 PM (ODxAs)
Yeah, that was AWESOME!
Posted by: L, Elle at March 18, 2015 08:42 PM (MOr4F)
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Can't we do something constructive and take down the jackals in the media? Every. Last. One.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 08:42 PM (9BRsg)
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@172- I know I'm not saying this correctly but I'm trying to find the way to say, can conservatives get a candidate elected without thr RNC?
Posted by: Ben Had at March 18, 2015 08:42 PM (SjXm4)
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Well, if ace is handing out apologies,
I want an apology to those that refused to vote for mccain.
i was in that group, and i remember a lot of abuse sent our way.
I want an apology to those that refused to vote for mccain.
i was in that group, and i remember a lot of abuse sent our way.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at March 18, 2015 08:42 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: The EPA at March 18, 2015 08:43 PM (Xf5ag)
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"no, you're part of the problem - etc, etc, meh."
Well, when the Speaker of the House, ostensibly a Republican, runs to the Democrat Party for support in saving his ass.......I'd say that's part of the problem.
Well, when the Speaker of the House, ostensibly a Republican, runs to the Democrat Party for support in saving his ass.......I'd say that's part of the problem.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 08:43 PM (FBT67)
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Once in awhile I still get solicitations from the Republican Senate Committee.
I return them in the prepaid envelope and scrawl: OPPOSE AMNESTY AND YOU GET ME BACK
Serious.
I return them in the prepaid envelope and scrawl: OPPOSE AMNESTY AND YOU GET ME BACK
Serious.
Posted by: NYC Deracinated Parent at March 18, 2015 08:43 PM (xkhWm)
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>>>The only thing I don't like about McHale is he used the hated "Wingnut" phrase.
Couldn't stand the sight of him after that.
...
eh, i assume all these homos are homos. Spares finding out bad news later.
Couldn't stand the sight of him after that.
...
eh, i assume all these homos are homos. Spares finding out bad news later.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:43 PM (PA7DS)
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125 Misanthropic H,
The water is warm, Allah thinks "but commie COMMIE!" will work again...
I've been boning up on my Canadian....
Have fun America...
The water is warm, Allah thinks "but commie COMMIE!" will work again...
I've been boning up on my Canadian....
Have fun America...
Posted by: The Smiling Bandit@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 08:43 PM (/4AZU)
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just when beck has me moved to tears, with out hesitation breaks in to his commercial mode.....i feel like ralphie with his little orphan annie decoder ring.....drink more ovaltine.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl GOP fuck you & your #'s at March 18, 2015 08:43 PM (u8GsB)
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"I am 71, with a disabled husband, and simply do not feel able to fight
at this point. So we are bunkering in, and I resort to Skyrim to avoid
complete depression."
=========
Can I just say, the idea of 71-year-old you playing Skyrim warms my heart. <3
at this point. So we are bunkering in, and I resort to Skyrim to avoid
complete depression."
=========
Can I just say, the idea of 71-year-old you playing Skyrim warms my heart. <3
Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 18, 2015 08:43 PM (7Kbxu)
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If ace was anything close to little green snotballs like someguy want to claim then his walker thread would be a wasteland of empty comments, drewm would be gone as a blogger and his post from this morning would be deleted.
You're a fuckhead someguy.
You're a fuckhead someguy.
Posted by: Buzzion at March 18, 2015 08:44 PM (oWDzK)
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>>> Well, if ace is handing out apologies,
I want an apology to those that refused to vote for mccain.
i was in that group, and i remember a lot of abuse sent our way
...
well hypothetically we could have blocked the guy who imposed socialism and authoritarianism.
I want an apology to those that refused to vote for mccain.
i was in that group, and i remember a lot of abuse sent our way
...
well hypothetically we could have blocked the guy who imposed socialism and authoritarianism.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:44 PM (PA7DS)
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Change is not going to happen overnight. I'm dissapointed too but I'm not giving up. There is a huge demographic problem with the baby boomers who are never going to vote themselves a pay cut. We need to fight the battles we can win now (like gun control) and prep the battlefield for later. There is a middle ground of not blindly supporting the GOP but supporting those conservatives that are part of the party. In the end it starts from the ground up. That's where I am.
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 08:44 PM (PaMwv)
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222
I'm pretty sure we are being set up to be disappointed by Walker. We could do worse though.
Is it shallow of me to wish he didn't look like such a milquetoast?
All I want is a manly man (or woman...wait, what?) to scare the bejeesus out of those who want to kill us.
I feel like we're doomed, whether under a President Hildebeast or whoever. The country is too far gone. Darth Cheney is right.
I'm pretty sure we are being set up to be disappointed by Walker. We could do worse though.
Is it shallow of me to wish he didn't look like such a milquetoast?
All I want is a manly man (or woman...wait, what?) to scare the bejeesus out of those who want to kill us.
I feel like we're doomed, whether under a President Hildebeast or whoever. The country is too far gone. Darth Cheney is right.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 08:44 PM (FsuaD)
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>>> I'm disappointed w/ some of his recent stuff, but he's better than Orrin or Chaffetz or that odious turd Dan Liljenquist.
The Hatch/Lilenquist fight was the worst; either way the voters lost. IF Hatch actually leaves like he promised during the last election, the primary is gonna be chock full of weasels, ugh.
Night all! Enjoy BBC Sherlock Y-Not!
The Hatch/Lilenquist fight was the worst; either way the voters lost. IF Hatch actually leaves like he promised during the last election, the primary is gonna be chock full of weasels, ugh.
Night all! Enjoy BBC Sherlock Y-Not!
Posted by: LizLem at March 18, 2015 08:44 PM (yRwC8)
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@Ace
Ouch. Welcome to our world.Truth and rightousness will prevail in the end even though we may not live to see it.Have faith and do not despair.
"I'm now a spectator. I will root for this team or that, as I might root for European soccer teams: that is, out of boredom, not conviction."
"An exciting match with the final score 0:0", said every soccer broadcaster that ever lived.
"You killed all hope that I had. You killed the hope in many of us."
"Which is why I am glad I emigrated," said Tina Turner (my german is coming along fine, thank you).
Ouch. Welcome to our world.Truth and rightousness will prevail in the end even though we may not live to see it.Have faith and do not despair.
"I'm now a spectator. I will root for this team or that, as I might root for European soccer teams: that is, out of boredom, not conviction."
"An exciting match with the final score 0:0", said every soccer broadcaster that ever lived.
"You killed all hope that I had. You killed the hope in many of us."
"Which is why I am glad I emigrated," said Tina Turner (my german is coming along fine, thank you).
Posted by: World Wide Conservatives at March 18, 2015 08:44 PM (C9f9g)
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 18, 2015 08:45 PM (sH832)
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They are pro Obamacare and pro amnesty
What's left?m foreign policy? We'll see. But domestically there is no daylight between them
What's left?m foreign policy? We'll see. But domestically there is no daylight between them
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 18, 2015 08:45 PM (zOTsN)
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"Remember when we all thought Paul Ryan was a wicked cool math dude who just hated the deficits and spending."
Solid. Boehner. Vote.
Oh those naive days of 2012.
Solid. Boehner. Vote.
Oh those naive days of 2012.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 08:45 PM (FBT67)
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Switch the party names and you pretty much described why I left the Democratic party in 2008 after nearly 30 years of loyally voting the straight Donkey ticket.
Posted by: myiq2xu at March 18, 2015 08:45 PM (5fSr7)
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2015 08:45 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 18, 2015 08:45 PM (ZvKdv)
251
235 Ace,
Assume the worst always...
The gop have chosen the Major model Tories rather than Thatcher they are beneath contempt.
I want the welfare state reduced not made solvent.
Assume the worst always...
The gop have chosen the Major model Tories rather than Thatcher they are beneath contempt.
I want the welfare state reduced not made solvent.
Posted by: The Smiling Bandit@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 08:45 PM (/4AZU)
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Theywill continue to vote, or at least not oppose, plenipotentiary powers for the president, because, crap, he is going to be gone in 4-8 years. Let him make the hard decisions. They just want cushy offices and nice retirements.
I have noticed that the GOP has no trouble at all passing conservative measures that they absolutely know will never get approved by the president.As soon as they have the power to affect change, they get all wobbly in the knee area.
Theywill continue to vote, or at least not oppose, plenipotentiary powers for the president, because, crap, he is going to be gone in 4-8 years. Let him make the hard decisions. They just want cushy offices and nice retirements.
I have noticed that the GOP has no trouble at all passing conservative measures that they absolutely know will never get approved by the president.As soon as they have the power to affect change, they get all wobbly in the knee area.
Posted by: Doctor Lexus at March 18, 2015 08:45 PM (F192H)
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Yes, there is a difference, but i can't say that one shade of socialism is Good while another is a Nightmare.
Both parties are vying to socialize America and to manage its decline into an aging, post-vigor caretaker/welfare state.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:42 PM (PA7DS)
And that's why I can't support either of them anymore either. There needs to be another choice. If there isn't, I won't choose between two of the same exact evil that are absolutely no different from each other.
Both parties are vying to socialize America and to manage its decline into an aging, post-vigor caretaker/welfare state.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:42 PM (PA7DS)
And that's why I can't support either of them anymore either. There needs to be another choice. If there isn't, I won't choose between two of the same exact evil that are absolutely no different from each other.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 08:46 PM (3HxZe)
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I'll write her in the next election.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 08:42 PM (FsuaD)
Yeah but, is she 35?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 08:42 PM (FsuaD)
Yeah but, is she 35?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 08:46 PM (znRvO)
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Ace - it's because they've given up. Think elites in post-WW2 Britain. Yes, they chase the lucre and do destructive things (e.g., amnesty) but it's deeper than that. It's a kind of elite devaluing of their own culture. They are just "waiting for the barbarians."
Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 18, 2015 08:46 PM (/WPPJ)
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Ace, time to start the discussion to determine the list of 10 worst,betraying Republicans ,in solid red areas, who must be defeated. in the primary and by voting Democratic if they make it to the general.
Posted by: The Ten Commandments at March 18, 2015 08:46 PM (7GI9v)
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The GOP stopped representing my values years ago, but like a battered wife I stayed because I thought it would get better. It doesn't. They lie to our faces about balancing budgets, smaller government and amnesty. They don't represent me any more than the Democrats.
Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at March 18, 2015 08:47 PM (IbjZr)
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"I'm pretty sure we are being set up to be disappointed by Walker. We could do worse though."
He seems set to disappoint but only less so than everybody else at this point. He does seem to have some stomach to fight which is saying a lot for this GOP.
He seems set to disappoint but only less so than everybody else at this point. He does seem to have some stomach to fight which is saying a lot for this GOP.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 08:47 PM (FBT67)
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The only thing I don't like about McHale is he used the hated "Wingnut" phrase.
He made a pilot for a US version of 'The IT Crowd.'
He (and it) was horrible.
I will never get the image of that out of my head.
He made a pilot for a US version of 'The IT Crowd.'
He (and it) was horrible.
I will never get the image of that out of my head.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 18, 2015 08:47 PM (MMC8r)
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Who the fuck votes Rupublican?
Posted by: Latino's everywhere at March 18, 2015 08:47 PM (Xf5ag)
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Do you think an Article V Convention will ever, actually happen?
Posted by: NYC Deracinated Parent at March 18, 2015 08:47 PM (xkhWm)
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Well, assuming I vote in the GOP primary, I'm going to vote based on whatever whim moves me. Same thing in the general.
Right now I love Bobby Jindal's vocabulary sexually (like the way ace loves science), so I would vote for him today. If I'm going to be lied to, I want it to sound pretty.
Right now I love Bobby Jindal's vocabulary sexually (like the way ace loves science), so I would vote for him today. If I'm going to be lied to, I want it to sound pretty.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 08:47 PM (9BRsg)
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Yeah but, is she 35?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 08:46 PM (znRvO)
Wait....is honesty a requirement???
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 08:46 PM (znRvO)
Wait....is honesty a requirement???
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 08:47 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2015 08:48 PM (MDgS8)
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>> Both parties are vying to socialize America and to manage its decline into an aging, post-vigor caretaker/welfare state.
I have a different perspective. I think very few actually want to *socialize* america, and excepting jef, i can think of none that want to it to decline.
what they want is power. through reelection.
I have a different perspective. I think very few actually want to *socialize* america, and excepting jef, i can think of none that want to it to decline.
what they want is power. through reelection.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at March 18, 2015 08:48 PM (LWu6U)
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I think they are different on foreign policy still. Everything else is the same
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 18, 2015 08:48 PM (zOTsN)
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>>>257 Ace, time to start the discussion to determine the list of 10 worst,betraying Republicans ,in solid red areas, who must be defeated. in the primary and by voting Democratic if they make it to the general.
well anybody can do that. if i run into someone with heft, i'll mention it.
well anybody can do that. if i run into someone with heft, i'll mention it.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:48 PM (PA7DS)
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262 Do you think an Article V Convention will ever, actually happen?
Posted by: NYC Deracinated Parent at March 18, 2015 08:47 PM (xkhWm)
It's one of the few valid hopes we have left, short of The Inevitable.
Posted by: NYC Deracinated Parent at March 18, 2015 08:47 PM (xkhWm)
It's one of the few valid hopes we have left, short of The Inevitable.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 08:48 PM (3HxZe)
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Never fall in love with a politician; they'll break your heart every time. Because they are politicians, they will lie to you to get your vote.
I stopped donating to any branch of the GOP a number of years ago. The phones calls and snail mail solicitations haven't quite dried up yet. The phone calls stopped when we got a new (unlisted) phone number 2 years ago. Why give money to someone that's just going to lie to me?
I stopped donating to any branch of the GOP a number of years ago. The phones calls and snail mail solicitations haven't quite dried up yet. The phone calls stopped when we got a new (unlisted) phone number 2 years ago. Why give money to someone that's just going to lie to me?
Posted by: Guns Gardens and Yarn at March 18, 2015 08:49 PM (/K1AJ)
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I'll be curious to see Ace`s evolution over the next few months.
Reading anything inspiring, Ace?
Reading anything inspiring, Ace?
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 18, 2015 08:49 PM (Cq0oW)
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Now that Rick Perry's back is healed and he's off his pain meds, second look?
Seriously, someone needs to pull him aside and say, "Dude. The glasses. Get some frameless ones." Can't see his eyes and he looks dopey.
Seriously, someone needs to pull him aside and say, "Dude. The glasses. Get some frameless ones." Can't see his eyes and he looks dopey.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 08:49 PM (FsuaD)
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The Ruling Class is totally insulated from the effects of the shits they put in office. THAT'S the problem.
I think Ace had the right idea a while back when he said we should endorse raising tax rates on the rich.
I think Ace had the right idea a while back when he said we should endorse raising tax rates on the rich.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 08:49 PM (9BRsg)
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265...ohhhhhhhh yeahhhhhh!!!!
Posted by: slick willie at March 18, 2015 08:49 PM (ytC/k)
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I resort to Skyrim to avoid
complete depression."
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Can I just say, the idea of 71-year-old you playing Skyrim warms my heart.
Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 18, 2015 08:43 PM (7Kbxu)
Ditto and I am in awe, too.
I'm 51 and can't even figure out the remote control for the TeeVee.
complete depression."
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Can I just say, the idea of 71-year-old you playing Skyrim warms my heart.
Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 18, 2015 08:43 PM (7Kbxu)
Ditto and I am in awe, too.
I'm 51 and can't even figure out the remote control for the TeeVee.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 18, 2015 08:49 PM (1ND2u)
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Indeed.
And you know what will make some impact.
At the local level, state reps, anything where their office may actually take your calls and perhaps allow you to speak at their town halls or what not. No matter how good your local Republican may or may not be, tell them that you are refusing to vote Republican because of the party, that you intend to kick them out of office, because, party.
They will listen, especially if more that one of us speaks up with this message.
And I mean it, we are getting screwed no matter what. I want some politicians to start to feel the heat.
This can result in a change in our political landscape. The problem is that it is going to take generations.
Oh well.
And you know what will make some impact.
At the local level, state reps, anything where their office may actually take your calls and perhaps allow you to speak at their town halls or what not. No matter how good your local Republican may or may not be, tell them that you are refusing to vote Republican because of the party, that you intend to kick them out of office, because, party.
They will listen, especially if more that one of us speaks up with this message.
And I mean it, we are getting screwed no matter what. I want some politicians to start to feel the heat.
This can result in a change in our political landscape. The problem is that it is going to take generations.
Oh well.
Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at March 18, 2015 08:49 PM (7Ozuo)
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They want the dystopia, too, because they think they won't be affected by it.
Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 18, 2015 08:39 PM (7Kbxu)
This is, to me, one of the scarier aspects of our political system as currently operating. The establishment politicians smugly sit back in their tax-payer purchased Corinthian leather office chairs think that none of their actions or inactions will ever have any consequences, or even present mild inconveniences, for them personally. I just think that is an incredibly naive and short-sighted point of view and is a clear sign of a dysfunctional personality.
Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 18, 2015 08:39 PM (7Kbxu)
This is, to me, one of the scarier aspects of our political system as currently operating. The establishment politicians smugly sit back in their tax-payer purchased Corinthian leather office chairs think that none of their actions or inactions will ever have any consequences, or even present mild inconveniences, for them personally. I just think that is an incredibly naive and short-sighted point of view and is a clear sign of a dysfunctional personality.
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 18, 2015 08:50 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2015 08:50 PM (MDgS8)
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Haha, I got Charles and Little Green Fuckballs.
Invited him to a private meeting and made him sniff my hot pocket.
And in such or similar fashion shall I destroy all of you...
Invited him to a private meeting and made him sniff my hot pocket.
And in such or similar fashion shall I destroy all of you...
Posted by: President Prolapse at March 18, 2015 08:50 PM (y/p2Y)
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for myself, I found Starving The Monkeys a good read YMMV
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 18, 2015 08:50 PM (Cq0oW)
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Posted by: toby928(C) at March 18, 2015 08:37 PM (rwI+c)
My states just as fucked as the feds, just without the printing press, so... not sure how thats much better.
My states just as fucked as the feds, just without the printing press, so... not sure how thats much better.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 18, 2015 08:50 PM (AkOaV)
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Welcome to the party pal. I decided the same thing in 2012.
2012 GOP convention. 3 of the prime time speakers, Ayott, Haley, and Cruz had all previously said, on live television, into the microphones, that they would not be where they were but for Sarah Palin. And, the wall street tool and his suits wouldn't even let her in the building.
So yeah, ..... and the horse they rode in on.
2012 GOP convention. 3 of the prime time speakers, Ayott, Haley, and Cruz had all previously said, on live television, into the microphones, that they would not be where they were but for Sarah Palin. And, the wall street tool and his suits wouldn't even let her in the building.
So yeah, ..... and the horse they rode in on.
Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood (Mentioned in Despatches) at March 18, 2015 08:50 PM (1mtKP)
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Karl Rove turned me into a newt.
Posted by: A newt at March 18, 2015 08:51 PM (W5DcG)
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I'm sure I've mentioned it before, but I have literally been all over the political map in my 57 years. (Literally literally, not Joe Biden literally.)
I was liberal as a young man. My first Presidential vote was for Carter in 1976. But by 1980, I had veered so far to the left that I couldn't stand the Democrats. Throughout the 80s, I voted for various minor leftist parties. Never did vote Communist, I'm happy to say.
Of course I hated Reagan during that time. That damned Hollywood actor was sure to start a nuclear war! Ronald Wilson Reagan = 666! And so forth.
Without going into too much detail, there were several things that happened during that period that brought me back from the left-wing fringes. It was mainly my revulsion over Bush 41's "New World Order" rhetoric that made me vote for Clinton in '92, although I was never crazy about him.
During Clinton's first term, I discovered free market economics and Ayn Rand. Needless to say, that was earth-shattering, in the best way. I always say that she systematically demolished my most cherished beliefs and assumptions, then proceeded to rebuild them on a stronger foundation.
By 1996 I was a card-carrying big-L Libertarian. So I voted for Harry Browne that year.
By the time of Reagan's death, I understood what a great man he was. I watched his funeral procession on TV and was moved to tears by the people standing on overpasses along the route, paying their respects.
While still an LP member, I voted for Bush 43 in 2000, because I understood what a menace Gore was.
But the Libertarian Party lost me after 9/11 with their pacifist rhetoric. So then I registered Republican, which I still am to this day. I've voted R in every Presidential election since 2000.
Now, to paraphrase Reagan, the Republican Party has left me. I'm still registered R at the moment, since Pennsylvania has a closed primary, but I don't know how much longer that will last.
What a long strange trip it's been, to coin a phrase.
I was liberal as a young man. My first Presidential vote was for Carter in 1976. But by 1980, I had veered so far to the left that I couldn't stand the Democrats. Throughout the 80s, I voted for various minor leftist parties. Never did vote Communist, I'm happy to say.
Of course I hated Reagan during that time. That damned Hollywood actor was sure to start a nuclear war! Ronald Wilson Reagan = 666! And so forth.
Without going into too much detail, there were several things that happened during that period that brought me back from the left-wing fringes. It was mainly my revulsion over Bush 41's "New World Order" rhetoric that made me vote for Clinton in '92, although I was never crazy about him.
During Clinton's first term, I discovered free market economics and Ayn Rand. Needless to say, that was earth-shattering, in the best way. I always say that she systematically demolished my most cherished beliefs and assumptions, then proceeded to rebuild them on a stronger foundation.
By 1996 I was a card-carrying big-L Libertarian. So I voted for Harry Browne that year.
By the time of Reagan's death, I understood what a great man he was. I watched his funeral procession on TV and was moved to tears by the people standing on overpasses along the route, paying their respects.
While still an LP member, I voted for Bush 43 in 2000, because I understood what a menace Gore was.
But the Libertarian Party lost me after 9/11 with their pacifist rhetoric. So then I registered Republican, which I still am to this day. I've voted R in every Presidential election since 2000.
Now, to paraphrase Reagan, the Republican Party has left me. I'm still registered R at the moment, since Pennsylvania has a closed primary, but I don't know how much longer that will last.
What a long strange trip it's been, to coin a phrase.
Posted by: rickl at March 18, 2015 08:51 PM (sdi6R)
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Well, just don't fall prey to cynicism. Cynics are not fun to listen to. They have a hard time being funny. Things are bad, but I hated the 90's worse than now. The Clinton administration really got to me. The Obama's have laid bare the left. The RINO's too are being laid bare. We're in a transitional time for sure, but there is hope here and there. And we're living in the best of times for the interweb and blogs has broken the lock of the media to reach out to a small percentage of the population that cares.
I'd be down if Texas had elected abortion barbie, but not only was she trounced, the RINO's continue to get primaried and bounced from office. I'd argue that Texas is as conservative as it have ever been. Success breeds success. Look at Cotton and Arkansas. 15 years ago Arkansas was Clinton land.
I'd say don't get hung up on the national stuff, like I said. I see the US at a 1912 moment. What lies ahead in the next two election cycles, post Obama, will truly be transformative, one way or the other. The status quo is no longer an option. Too much shit to clean up in DC and the fiscal policy spinning plates are wobbling. There will be change and there will be pain.
And world events could quickly eclipse our domestic issues, just as in the 1930s.
I'd be down if Texas had elected abortion barbie, but not only was she trounced, the RINO's continue to get primaried and bounced from office. I'd argue that Texas is as conservative as it have ever been. Success breeds success. Look at Cotton and Arkansas. 15 years ago Arkansas was Clinton land.
I'd say don't get hung up on the national stuff, like I said. I see the US at a 1912 moment. What lies ahead in the next two election cycles, post Obama, will truly be transformative, one way or the other. The status quo is no longer an option. Too much shit to clean up in DC and the fiscal policy spinning plates are wobbling. There will be change and there will be pain.
And world events could quickly eclipse our domestic issues, just as in the 1930s.
Posted by: Yip at March 18, 2015 08:51 PM (84SRe)
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This is a joke, right ace?
well hypothetically we could have blocked the guy who imposed socialism and authoritarianism.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:44 PM (PA7DS)
I mean -- yeah, Obama's the worst ever. But wasn't that sort of the point? Let the people see what was in store for them, while the people still had some idea of an alternative?
If McCain had won, do you think the establishment GOP would be any less willing to grease the rails to the "progressive" utopia we have been lurching towards these past 5 or 6 decades?
well hypothetically we could have blocked the guy who imposed socialism and authoritarianism.
Posted by: ace at March 18, 2015 08:44 PM (PA7DS)
I mean -- yeah, Obama's the worst ever. But wasn't that sort of the point? Let the people see what was in store for them, while the people still had some idea of an alternative?
If McCain had won, do you think the establishment GOP would be any less willing to grease the rails to the "progressive" utopia we have been lurching towards these past 5 or 6 decades?
Posted by: krakatoa at March 18, 2015 08:51 PM (eCtnP)
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They want the dystopia, too, because they think they won't be affected by it.
Neither did the French aristocracy before the Revolution.
Neither did the French aristocracy before the Revolution.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 18, 2015 08:51 PM (MMC8r)
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273 The Ruling Class is totally insulated from the effects of the shits they put in office. THAT'S the problem.
I think Ace had the right idea a while back when he said we should endorse raising tax rates on the rich.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 08:49 PM (9BRsg)
Let's not raise the rates. They'll just keep hiring armies of accountants to keep being like GE, where we have to pay them.
Let's abolish the deductions. The calls for a lower and flatter tax will be loud and immediate.
I think Ace had the right idea a while back when he said we should endorse raising tax rates on the rich.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 08:49 PM (9BRsg)
Let's not raise the rates. They'll just keep hiring armies of accountants to keep being like GE, where we have to pay them.
Let's abolish the deductions. The calls for a lower and flatter tax will be loud and immediate.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 08:52 PM (3HxZe)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 18, 2015 08:52 PM (Cq0oW)
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I think it was "JJ Sefton" that called them the "Vichy Republicans."
Churchill never had a better quip!
Churchill never had a better quip!
Posted by: St Paddy the Delurker at March 18, 2015 08:52 PM (aXCDY)
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272 Now that Rick Perry's back is healed and he's off his pain meds, second look?
he'd be perfect. a former dem who changed only because the wind was blowing a different direction for more than a decade and who never worked a day in the private sector. how could it fail?
he'd be perfect. a former dem who changed only because the wind was blowing a different direction for more than a decade and who never worked a day in the private sector. how could it fail?
Posted by: X at March 18, 2015 08:52 PM (UqJ2q)
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Do you think an Article V Convention will ever, actually happen?
Posted by: NYC Deracinated Parent at March 18, 2015 08:47 PM (xkhWm)
It's one of the few valid hopes we have left, short of The Inevitable.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 08:48 PM (3HxZe)
John Roberts will find that the citizens and states don't really have standing to call a Art V convention.
Posted by: NYC Deracinated Parent at March 18, 2015 08:47 PM (xkhWm)
It's one of the few valid hopes we have left, short of The Inevitable.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 08:48 PM (3HxZe)
John Roberts will find that the citizens and states don't really have standing to call a Art V convention.
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 18, 2015 08:52 PM (ftVQq)
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And world events could quickly eclipse our domestic issues, just as in the 1930s.
Posted by: Yip
Soon...Soon.
Posted by: Yip
Soon...Soon.
Posted by: Nuclear Iran at March 18, 2015 08:52 PM (GuwT9)
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2015 08:53 PM (MDgS8)
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You put Romney, McLame, Boner, Christy, or any of the other Northeast Rockefeller RINOs together in a steel room with a cannon ball and they would either lose it or break it.
Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood (Mentioned in Despatches) at March 18, 2015 08:53 PM (1mtKP)
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There's no voting our way out of this. What haunts me when I look at my youngest relatives - the generation being born - is the knowledge that they will have the choice of having horrible things done to them, or of doing unspeakable things to others.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at March 18, 2015 08:53 PM (nFdGS)
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And world events could quickly eclipse our domestic issues, just as in the 1930s.
Posted by: Yip at March 18, 2015 08:51 PM (84SRe)
Good bit of perspective there, but Ace is still right that neither party is acceptable.
Posted by: Yip at March 18, 2015 08:51 PM (84SRe)
Good bit of perspective there, but Ace is still right that neither party is acceptable.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 08:53 PM (3HxZe)
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Allah's a closeted fag. His "conservative" leanings are primarily fiscal. Fuck him and HotGas.
Posted by: Fuck the GOP at March 18, 2015 08:53 PM (5jiyE)
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Here's some owlets hanging on for dear life tonight a couple of miles from our house:
http://landingsbirdcam.com/
Mom is hunting.
A palate refresher.
http://landingsbirdcam.com/
Mom is hunting.
A palate refresher.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 08:53 PM (FsuaD)
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Not only did they do all of the above. But they showed us the game is rigged. They are perfectly happy to dump the base and work with the Dem's to further their aims. Especially with amnesty.
The current path we are on will only end in destruction and bloodshed once the borrowing stops. It then becomes forced austerity at the end of a gun. I thought that this was essentially a race to stop this all from happening by taking over the Republican party before we passed the point of no return.
But out "leaders" want their power too much. They have chosen instead to rig the game to prevent this disaster for being stopped. The electorate will never get what it wants because it lessens the power of our corrupt elected officials and bureaucracies. Win at the ballot box, Then the bureaucracy steps in to change things. Sue the bureaucracy and the courts will toss it for lack of "standing" as has been the current trend. And even if you do win at the court the executive branch will simply choose what it wants to do anyway.
NOTHING good can come from the way this house of cards has been set up. Eventually there will be another financial crisis. And this one will be way way uglier The base has lost the race. And you need to prepare for the fall afterwards.
The current path we are on will only end in destruction and bloodshed once the borrowing stops. It then becomes forced austerity at the end of a gun. I thought that this was essentially a race to stop this all from happening by taking over the Republican party before we passed the point of no return.
But out "leaders" want their power too much. They have chosen instead to rig the game to prevent this disaster for being stopped. The electorate will never get what it wants because it lessens the power of our corrupt elected officials and bureaucracies. Win at the ballot box, Then the bureaucracy steps in to change things. Sue the bureaucracy and the courts will toss it for lack of "standing" as has been the current trend. And even if you do win at the court the executive branch will simply choose what it wants to do anyway.
NOTHING good can come from the way this house of cards has been set up. Eventually there will be another financial crisis. And this one will be way way uglier The base has lost the race. And you need to prepare for the fall afterwards.
Posted by: Mythx at March 18, 2015 08:54 PM (n5Dcy)
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The PC now Conservative Party in Canada went through this. Lost several elections and power in the Parliament for many years as they were torn down and remade.
It hurt and sucked and all that, but, in the long run look where they are now.
It hurt and sucked and all that, but, in the long run look where they are now.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 08:54 PM (FBT67)
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...you all's be pulling for me in '16!!!
Posted by: slow joe at March 18, 2015 08:54 PM (ytC/k)
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John Roberts will find that the citizens and states don't really have standing to call a Art V convention.
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 18, 2015 08:52 PM (ftVQq)
As JFK once said, those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 18, 2015 08:52 PM (ftVQq)
As JFK once said, those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 08:54 PM (3HxZe)
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Death approaches! We are all mortal again! Now we can say 'yes' to death, but never again 'no'. Now, we must make our farewells: to each other, to the sun and moon, trees and sky, earth and rock, the landscape of our long waking-dream.
Posted by: GOPe at March 18, 2015 08:54 PM (sH832)
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I was wondering this afternoon if we might not be better off dropping the dollar and embracing the Drachma. Nobody's using it so it should be up for grabs.
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 18, 2015 08:55 PM (rwI+c)
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Yip - I'm much more optimistic than ace and the rest of the horde but much of that must have to do with the fact that I am in Texas so my perspective is different. I get to vote for cruz. I get a more conservative GOP.
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 08:55 PM (PaMwv)
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None of us know the future. But best not to put your faith in Princes
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 18, 2015 08:56 PM (zOTsN)
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"a former dem who changed only because the wind was blowing a different
direction for more than a decade and who never worked a day in the
private sector. how could it fail?"
Oooooooo.......
direction for more than a decade and who never worked a day in the
private sector. how could it fail?"
Oooooooo.......
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 08:56 PM (FBT67)
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Just chilling out over here, waiting on people to come by, take a look, and say, "Hmmmm, this is what I've been looking for!"
http://tinyurl.com/makgkjr
http://tinyurl.com/makgkjr
Posted by: Country Singer at March 18, 2015 08:56 PM (nL0sw)
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I put 1000 Drachmas on the MILF!
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2015 08:56 PM (MDgS8)
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Hello, my name is Jon Corzine and I endorse this message by Ace.
You may remember me as the guy that stole and lost over one billion dollars and wasn't punished in any way, shape or form by the corrupt government in Washington. Thanks Obama, Hillary, Mitch McConnell and Boner Boy!
You may remember me as the guy that stole and lost over one billion dollars and wasn't punished in any way, shape or form by the corrupt government in Washington. Thanks Obama, Hillary, Mitch McConnell and Boner Boy!
Posted by: jon corzine at March 18, 2015 08:57 PM (VDovR)
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The biggest problem is there is NOT ONE person that I can see that is going to do the incredibly unpopular, painful things needed to even BEGIN to turn the country around.
$18.156 Trillion dollars in debt...American dollars with at least $95 Trillion dollars promised that the country does not have.
At this point, I believe the politicians are only in politics for whatever money they can scrounge for themselves, ignoring the fact that there is no amount of money they can steal that can adequately protect their children and grand-children.
$18.156 Trillion dollars in debt...American dollars with at least $95 Trillion dollars promised that the country does not have.
At this point, I believe the politicians are only in politics for whatever money they can scrounge for themselves, ignoring the fact that there is no amount of money they can steal that can adequately protect their children and grand-children.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at March 18, 2015 08:57 PM (AC0lD)
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Remember when we all thought Paul Ryan was a wicked cool math dude who just hated the deficits and spending. Good times. good times.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
Not we all. Some of us pushed back against "Washboard Abs"-mania, but the crowd shouted us down.
Remember when we all thought Paul Ryan was a wicked cool math dude who just hated the deficits and spending. Good times. good times.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
Not we all. Some of us pushed back against "Washboard Abs"-mania, but the crowd shouted us down.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 18, 2015 08:57 PM (kdS6q)
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I get a more conservative GOP.
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 08:55 PM (PaMwv)
Only at the state level, sadly. A good man in Washington is shouted down by the scumbags.
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 08:55 PM (PaMwv)
Only at the state level, sadly. A good man in Washington is shouted down by the scumbags.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 08:57 PM (3HxZe)
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Well, when the shit hits the fan, in the form of some sort of major hit on our shores by ISIS and/or friends, it will be "interesting" to see which way the wind blows.
I hope we don't have to experience anything remotely like that, but with Princess Prissypants at the helm, I grow more certain every day we're going to see that day.
I hope we don't have to experience anything remotely like that, but with Princess Prissypants at the helm, I grow more certain every day we're going to see that day.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 08:57 PM (FsuaD)
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One thing that is really is sad is how many politicians can be bought by corporate money. In 2009 I foolishly expected a lot of the CEOs of the major corporations to get together and do the necessary to curb the worst Obama abuses. I was thinking they were like those old time captains of industry, Americans. But no. Apparently big money no longer has a country. Their cynical game is going to come back to bite them. It won't be such a safe world to play in, and there won't be so many lucrative markets, once the US is really on the ropes.
Posted by: Emily at March 18, 2015 08:58 PM (7Rn+/)
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285 Yip,
Part of why I'm scarce is my diminished humor...
The horsefuckery still bothers me b/c I still feel we *could* stop the train...but we're almost past that point....
I'll be happier then, hopefully we can get to butte first.
Part of why I'm scarce is my diminished humor...
The horsefuckery still bothers me b/c I still feel we *could* stop the train...but we're almost past that point....
I'll be happier then, hopefully we can get to butte first.
Posted by: The Smiling Bandit@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 08:58 PM (/4AZU)
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Man, remember when Jeff Goldstein said all this 6 years ago, and y'all un-personed him for being so unhelpful to the GOP cause?
http://tinyurl.com/d2ml5j
That was something, wasn't it?
Posted by: Pablo
Y'all?
A lot of us read JG regularly, so pardon if I ask you not toss us all into the briar patch.
JG was correct on many things and wrote good stuff. I liked much of his commentary outside of the Pity Posts. Didn't understand much of the semiotics stuff, wish I did, but understood why it was important.
His voice will be missed if he is really hanging up the keyboard. But the thing is, Pablo, JG could be a bit of an asshole, rubbing people the wrong way at the absolute least opportune time.
http://tinyurl.com/d2ml5j
That was something, wasn't it?
Posted by: Pablo
Y'all?
A lot of us read JG regularly, so pardon if I ask you not toss us all into the briar patch.
JG was correct on many things and wrote good stuff. I liked much of his commentary outside of the Pity Posts. Didn't understand much of the semiotics stuff, wish I did, but understood why it was important.
His voice will be missed if he is really hanging up the keyboard. But the thing is, Pablo, JG could be a bit of an asshole, rubbing people the wrong way at the absolute least opportune time.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 18, 2015 08:58 PM (Q/1Jp)
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it's strange. Everyone I know is arriving at this result at the same time.
Tired of the crap sandwich. I don't think the Republicans realize what is going on, finally.
Tired of the crap sandwich. I don't think the Republicans realize what is going on, finally.
Posted by: redclay at March 18, 2015 08:58 PM (GM8B7)
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"The biggest problem is there is NOT ONE person that I can see that is
going to do the incredibly unpopular, painful things needed to even
BEGIN to turn the country around.
$18.156 Trillion dollars in debt...American dollars with at least $95 Trillion dollars promised that the country does not have."
Bingo.
No will, desire, push, drive, or, real chance of either major party to seriously address us.
It's not Let It Burn. It's already is.
*sorry*
going to do the incredibly unpopular, painful things needed to even
BEGIN to turn the country around.
$18.156 Trillion dollars in debt...American dollars with at least $95 Trillion dollars promised that the country does not have."
Bingo.
No will, desire, push, drive, or, real chance of either major party to seriously address us.
It's not Let It Burn. It's already is.
*sorry*
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 08:59 PM (FBT67)
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1: Excoriate party for lying to base.
2: Admit you've been lying to base. And not just base, but friends and colleagues, without even the excuse of having to win elections in centrist districts.
3. Adopt posture of righteous indignation.
Fantastic. Also,
1: Claim to care deeply about future of the country.
2: Proudly declare you're going to let it burn, all hail President Hillary. Because feelings.
See also: Declare personal prognostications as fact, and hold others to account for not doing what they haven't have the opportunity to do. Like repeal Obamacare, which is legislatively IMPOSSIBLE.
You guys claim to like Reagan so much? "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican." I guess you forgot that one.
And the political ignorance? Jesus. I know you like to intimate having "insider baseball Gnostic secret knowledge," but come on. You really can't figure out why McConnell scuttled the immigration fight? Really? When a federal judge held (strongly) that the President's actions were unlawful in the days between when the matter left the House and went to the Senate, making a fight (for purposes of the 2016 presidential elections, which is the ENTIRE FOCUS of the party right now) totally moot?
Nope, a perfectly rational explanation isn't even considered. It's just malicious betrayal for the sheer hell of it. That's a pathetic justification for what I suspect is just a desire to quit.
Andrew Breitbart would be fucking ashamed. I know I am. At least the
imbeciles at Firedoglake and DailyKOS understand political
realities and can deal with them. This site over the past few months has
been the worst collection of childish, stupid political temper tantrums
I've ever seen.
Go follow Beck into the wilderness. If tired, corrupt, incompetent Hillary-fucking-Clinton wins in 2016, the rest of us will know who to blame: you and yours. And if we win, you and yours deserve no say in future policies, because you proved yourselves to be selfish summer soldiers and traitors to the cause, more interested in your fucking *feelings* than in victory.
I'm done here. Ban me. Since that seems to be what happens here if you dare to criticize the hosts, here.
2: Admit you've been lying to base. And not just base, but friends and colleagues, without even the excuse of having to win elections in centrist districts.
3. Adopt posture of righteous indignation.
Fantastic. Also,
1: Claim to care deeply about future of the country.
2: Proudly declare you're going to let it burn, all hail President Hillary. Because feelings.
See also: Declare personal prognostications as fact, and hold others to account for not doing what they haven't have the opportunity to do. Like repeal Obamacare, which is legislatively IMPOSSIBLE.
You guys claim to like Reagan so much? "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican." I guess you forgot that one.
And the political ignorance? Jesus. I know you like to intimate having "insider baseball Gnostic secret knowledge," but come on. You really can't figure out why McConnell scuttled the immigration fight? Really? When a federal judge held (strongly) that the President's actions were unlawful in the days between when the matter left the House and went to the Senate, making a fight (for purposes of the 2016 presidential elections, which is the ENTIRE FOCUS of the party right now) totally moot?
Nope, a perfectly rational explanation isn't even considered. It's just malicious betrayal for the sheer hell of it. That's a pathetic justification for what I suspect is just a desire to quit.
Andrew Breitbart would be fucking ashamed. I know I am. At least the
imbeciles at Firedoglake and DailyKOS understand political
realities and can deal with them. This site over the past few months has
been the worst collection of childish, stupid political temper tantrums
I've ever seen.
Go follow Beck into the wilderness. If tired, corrupt, incompetent Hillary-fucking-Clinton wins in 2016, the rest of us will know who to blame: you and yours. And if we win, you and yours deserve no say in future policies, because you proved yourselves to be selfish summer soldiers and traitors to the cause, more interested in your fucking *feelings* than in victory.
I'm done here. Ban me. Since that seems to be what happens here if you dare to criticize the hosts, here.
Posted by: Df82 at March 18, 2015 08:59 PM (IQSWi)
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Here's some owlets hanging on for dear life tonight a couple of miles from our house:
http://landingsbirdcam.com/
Mom is hunting.
A palate refresher.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 08:53 PM (FsuaD)
OSHA has been notified at the lack of a guardrail!
http://landingsbirdcam.com/
Mom is hunting.
A palate refresher.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 08:53 PM (FsuaD)
OSHA has been notified at the lack of a guardrail!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2015 08:59 PM (W5DcG)
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Shall we endeavor to hash out a platform for a new party? Seriously.
Are we stable enough? Are we flexible enough?
We are certainly bright enough....
Shall we endeavor to hash out a platform for a new party? Seriously.
Are we stable enough? Are we flexible enough?
We are certainly bright enough....
Posted by: common Sense at March 18, 2015 08:59 PM (+YNzP)
Posted by: Dan Patterson at March 18, 2015 08:59 PM (2wn5C)
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i'd also point out that, historically, soldiers who decided their leadershit was more of a danger to them than the putative enemy have traditionally taken steps to remove said danger.
it's a drastic and dangerous step, but history makes it clear that it's an option when other, safer, options are removed from the table.
it would also explain the desperate push for draconian gun control we're seeing.
it's a drastic and dangerous step, but history makes it clear that it's an option when other, safer, options are removed from the table.
it would also explain the desperate push for draconian gun control we're seeing.
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 18, 2015 08:59 PM (yi8ar)
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he'd be perfect. a former dem who changed only because the wind was blowing a different direction for more than a decade
Reagan was a former democrat too. The tx dem party was always more conservative than the national. But if you wanted to be in govt you had to belong to it. That changed 25 years ago. He recognized that. Sounds smart to me.
Reagan was a former democrat too. The tx dem party was always more conservative than the national. But if you wanted to be in govt you had to belong to it. That changed 25 years ago. He recognized that. Sounds smart to me.
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 09:00 PM (PaMwv)
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What a depressing, angry couple of threads.
I don't have the luxury of having lots of things to look after my family. I have no guns. I have little money. I'm not in the best of health. I'm not going to paying survivalists money so they can tell me how to survive the burning times. What I do have-which is a gift from God- is the gift of faith. Whether zi live or whether I die I belong to the Lord so I present this here in the hope it may be of help to even one person. This is from the readings for today and refections from a local RCC:
Read Isaiah 49:8-15
John 5:17-30
"The Lord has forsaken me; The Lord has forgotten me? 'Can a mother forget her infant, be without tenderness from the child of her womb? Even should she forget, I will never forget you."
This verse taken from today's readings, is one of the many parts of the Bible where God pours out his love to us. Knowing that we are not alone and are loved so deeply and tenderly by our heavenly Father is comforting. I recently shared a compilation of such Bible verses titled, "God's Love Letter To Us" with one of our daughters who was going through particularly difficult challenge as a young adult. An excerpt from the letter follows:
My child,
You do not know me, but I know everything about you. Psalm 139:1
Even all the hairs of your head are counted Matthew 10:29-31
Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you Jeremiah 1:4-5
My plan for your future has always been filled with hope When you call me, I will listen to you. When you look for me, you will find me Jeremiah 2(:11-14
For you are my treasured possession Exodus 19:5
I love you with an everlasting love Jeremiah 31:3
And I give you everlasting encouragement and hope. 2nd Thessalonians 2:16-17
When you are brokenhearted, I am close to you Psalm 34-19
As a shepherd has carried a lamb, I have carried you close to my heart Isaiah 40:11
One day I will wipe away every tear from your eyes, and I will take away all the pain you have suffered on earth (Revelation 21:3-4)
Love, Your father in heaven
From S.L.
Keep on praying!
I don't have the luxury of having lots of things to look after my family. I have no guns. I have little money. I'm not in the best of health. I'm not going to paying survivalists money so they can tell me how to survive the burning times. What I do have-which is a gift from God- is the gift of faith. Whether zi live or whether I die I belong to the Lord so I present this here in the hope it may be of help to even one person. This is from the readings for today and refections from a local RCC:
Read Isaiah 49:8-15
John 5:17-30
"The Lord has forsaken me; The Lord has forgotten me? 'Can a mother forget her infant, be without tenderness from the child of her womb? Even should she forget, I will never forget you."
This verse taken from today's readings, is one of the many parts of the Bible where God pours out his love to us. Knowing that we are not alone and are loved so deeply and tenderly by our heavenly Father is comforting. I recently shared a compilation of such Bible verses titled, "God's Love Letter To Us" with one of our daughters who was going through particularly difficult challenge as a young adult. An excerpt from the letter follows:
My child,
You do not know me, but I know everything about you. Psalm 139:1
Even all the hairs of your head are counted Matthew 10:29-31
Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you Jeremiah 1:4-5
My plan for your future has always been filled with hope When you call me, I will listen to you. When you look for me, you will find me Jeremiah 2(:11-14
For you are my treasured possession Exodus 19:5
I love you with an everlasting love Jeremiah 31:3
And I give you everlasting encouragement and hope. 2nd Thessalonians 2:16-17
When you are brokenhearted, I am close to you Psalm 34-19
As a shepherd has carried a lamb, I have carried you close to my heart Isaiah 40:11
One day I will wipe away every tear from your eyes, and I will take away all the pain you have suffered on earth (Revelation 21:3-4)
Love, Your father in heaven
From S.L.
Keep on praying!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 18, 2015 09:00 PM (DXzRD)
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Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 08:57 PM (FsuaD)
Yeah. Bad times ahead. No crystal ball here, but it's getting to the point where almost every road leads to ruin.
Yeah. Bad times ahead. No crystal ball here, but it's getting to the point where almost every road leads to ruin.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 09:00 PM (3HxZe)
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The time has come
Posted by: common Sense at March 18, 2015 09:00 PM (+YNzP)
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"If ace was anything close to little green snotballs like someguy want to claim then his walker thread would be a wasteland of empty comments."
Last I checked, which was this post, Ace isn't voting for Scott Walker, because he's done with the GOP.
Which means either he's voting for Hillary, or not voting, which doesn't matter. Either is a vote for Hillary.
Last I checked, which was this post, Ace isn't voting for Scott Walker, because he's done with the GOP.
Which means either he's voting for Hillary, or not voting, which doesn't matter. Either is a vote for Hillary.
Posted by: someguy at March 18, 2015 09:00 PM (3z91g)
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 18, 2015 09:00 PM (rwI+c)
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Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at March 18, 2015 08:53 PM (nFdGS)
I am at the point where I really don't give much of a sh!t about what happens to me due to the corrupt politicians.
I am concerned about what those corrupt politicians have in mind for my children.
I am unbelievably concerned about what this crowd of unprincipled power hungry thieves and liars will wind up visiting on my grand-children.
But I see no personal action available to me that stands a snowballs chance in H3ll of making a difference because I have no power or money.
Maybe I need to look into Skyrim (and Fios)!
I am at the point where I really don't give much of a sh!t about what happens to me due to the corrupt politicians.
I am concerned about what those corrupt politicians have in mind for my children.
I am unbelievably concerned about what this crowd of unprincipled power hungry thieves and liars will wind up visiting on my grand-children.
But I see no personal action available to me that stands a snowballs chance in H3ll of making a difference because I have no power or money.
Maybe I need to look into Skyrim (and Fios)!
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 18, 2015 09:01 PM (ftVQq)
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Protein Wisdom is hanging it up?
I used to try to be a "regular" there.
Always felt like a square peg.
Protein Wisdom is hanging it up?
I used to try to be a "regular" there.
Always felt like a square peg.
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2015 09:01 PM (MDgS8)
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I'm starting the 'Stop The Hate' party.
We plan on stopping the hate by:
- Repealing a shitload of laws
- Deregulating a shitload of commerce
- Blowing the fucking shit out of everyone that attacks us
- Closing our shitty borders and hunkering down while mumbling about getting off our lawns
How can you vote against 'Stop The Hate'?
We plan on stopping the hate by:
- Repealing a shitload of laws
- Deregulating a shitload of commerce
- Blowing the fucking shit out of everyone that attacks us
- Closing our shitty borders and hunkering down while mumbling about getting off our lawns
How can you vote against 'Stop The Hate'?
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at March 18, 2015 09:01 PM (y/p2Y)
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 09:01 PM (3HxZe)
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 09:02 PM (PaMwv)
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The biggest problem is there is NOT ONE person that I can see that is
going to do the incredibly unpopular, painful things needed to even
BEGIN to turn the country around.
$18.156 Trillion dollars in debt...American dollars with at least $95 Trillion dollars promised that the country does not have.
At
this point, I believe the politicians are only in politics for whatever
money they can scrounge for themselves, ignoring the fact that there is
no amount of money they can steal that can adequately protect their
children and grand-children.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at March 18, 2015 08:57 PM (AC0lD)
------
Look at what wins republican primaries. Give the right cultural nods, and assure the voters you're good with ethanol in IA, that Cochran is perfect in MS, that we need gov't flood insurance in FL, etc.
We're in a bubble here too. Huckabee is every bit the busybody the worst 25-35% of Dems are, and yet he'll get 25-35% of the R vote if he makes a serious run. Why?
The biggest problem is there is NOT ONE person that I can see that is
going to do the incredibly unpopular, painful things needed to even
BEGIN to turn the country around.
$18.156 Trillion dollars in debt...American dollars with at least $95 Trillion dollars promised that the country does not have.
At
this point, I believe the politicians are only in politics for whatever
money they can scrounge for themselves, ignoring the fact that there is
no amount of money they can steal that can adequately protect their
children and grand-children.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at March 18, 2015 08:57 PM (AC0lD)
------
Look at what wins republican primaries. Give the right cultural nods, and assure the voters you're good with ethanol in IA, that Cochran is perfect in MS, that we need gov't flood insurance in FL, etc.
We're in a bubble here too. Huckabee is every bit the busybody the worst 25-35% of Dems are, and yet he'll get 25-35% of the R vote if he makes a serious run. Why?
Posted by: Dave S. at March 18, 2015 09:02 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 09:02 PM (FsuaD)
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Welcome to the party, Ace.
Posted by: some asshole at March 18, 2015 09:02 PM (jbwtm)
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"OSHA has been notified at the lack of a guardrail!"
Oh fcuk.
The last thing you need is those assholes on your case.
Oh fcuk.
The last thing you need is those assholes on your case.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:03 PM (FBT67)
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I said this before... Conservatives are to the Republican Party as blacks and women are to the Democrat Party. As long as conservatives are a reliable vote for the Republican party, things will not change.
Our current standard of political living cannot possibly continue without Obamacare. For decades, politicians have been spending all of the "trust funds" Social Security, Medicare, the highway fund, etc. at least two times, sometimes three times. Eventually, ponzi schemes fail because they can no longer add rows to the bottom of the pyramid. Obamacare adds several rows to the bottom of the pyramid that will (possibly) keep the ponzi scheme running for a few more years. Unfortunately, ponzi schemes also fail under their own weight, like the old mud brick pyramids.
I quit the Republican party some time ago and I look forward to joining a party that has the interests of the continuity of the country as a free county in their foundations.
But the reality is, I really don't think there is anyway back other than to let it burn, clear the debris and start over.
Our current standard of political living cannot possibly continue without Obamacare. For decades, politicians have been spending all of the "trust funds" Social Security, Medicare, the highway fund, etc. at least two times, sometimes three times. Eventually, ponzi schemes fail because they can no longer add rows to the bottom of the pyramid. Obamacare adds several rows to the bottom of the pyramid that will (possibly) keep the ponzi scheme running for a few more years. Unfortunately, ponzi schemes also fail under their own weight, like the old mud brick pyramids.
I quit the Republican party some time ago and I look forward to joining a party that has the interests of the continuity of the country as a free county in their foundations.
But the reality is, I really don't think there is anyway back other than to let it burn, clear the debris and start over.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 18, 2015 09:03 PM (BZAd3)
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Sorry, but I'll stick with William F. Buckley's dictum:
<b>"Vote for the most conservative candidate who can win."</b>
The time to make war upon the Republican Establishment is in the primaries. If we can't win then, when can we win?
(And while we're at it, why stick with the ridiculous winner-takes-all statewide primary system, or the even more ridiculous caucus system? There's a better way: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_voting" target="_blank">approval voting</a>. Vote for whichever candidate<b>s</b> you like, as many candidates as you like, and total all of the votes to see who wins the nomination. In general, the most attractive and <i>least destructive</i> candidate will win. Thus is the Eleventh Commandment preserved.)
Why does it matter which party controls the presidency? Three words: <i><b>Supreme Court vacancies</b></i>. There will almost certainly be one vacancy on the Court in the next six years, perhaps two, and possibly even three. Even a Republican establishment president, however stupid and squishy he or she might be, would not nominate the Constitution-destroying "progressives" that a Democrat president would. How would you like to see Elizabeth Warren, Peter DeFazio, and Raúl Grijalva as Justices?
<b>"Vote for the most conservative candidate who can win."</b>
The time to make war upon the Republican Establishment is in the primaries. If we can't win then, when can we win?
(And while we're at it, why stick with the ridiculous winner-takes-all statewide primary system, or the even more ridiculous caucus system? There's a better way: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_voting" target="_blank">approval voting</a>. Vote for whichever candidate<b>s</b> you like, as many candidates as you like, and total all of the votes to see who wins the nomination. In general, the most attractive and <i>least destructive</i> candidate will win. Thus is the Eleventh Commandment preserved.)
Why does it matter which party controls the presidency? Three words: <i><b>Supreme Court vacancies</b></i>. There will almost certainly be one vacancy on the Court in the next six years, perhaps two, and possibly even three. Even a Republican establishment president, however stupid and squishy he or she might be, would not nominate the Constitution-destroying "progressives" that a Democrat president would. How would you like to see Elizabeth Warren, Peter DeFazio, and Raúl Grijalva as Justices?
Posted by: Herp Mc Derp at March 18, 2015 09:04 PM (7QRNd)
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at March 18, 2015 09:04 PM (AC0lD)
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"We plan on stopping the hate by:
- Repealing a shitload of laws
- Deregulating a shitload of commerce
- Blowing the fucking shit out of everyone that attacks us
- Closing our shitty borders and hunkering down while mumbling about getting off our lawns
How can you vote against 'Stop The Hate'?"
Hater.
- Repealing a shitload of laws
- Deregulating a shitload of commerce
- Blowing the fucking shit out of everyone that attacks us
- Closing our shitty borders and hunkering down while mumbling about getting off our lawns
How can you vote against 'Stop The Hate'?"
Hater.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:04 PM (FBT67)
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P.S. I'm not quitting. I will do what I can regularly to protest in the ways that In can-whther that means, calling reps, putting ups signs outside my house of sticking notes in papers etc.. And I know that if I feel I can't put another foot in front the other I get off this board for hours or a day or more and go take a walk in the sunshine, hug my family and thank God for every blessing I have.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 18, 2015 09:04 PM (DXzRD)
Posted by: Yip at March 18, 2015 09:04 PM (84SRe)
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I think it was "JJ Sefton" that called them the "Vichy Republicans."
During the war, the worst thing you could say about a frenchy was:
collaborator
I think it was "JJ Sefton" that called them the "Vichy Republicans."
During the war, the worst thing you could say about a frenchy was:
collaborator
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at March 18, 2015 09:04 PM (LWu6U)
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Posted by: Df82 at March 18, 2015 08:59 PM (IQSWi)
"If we win" - you won't. The Party you support might win, but you refuse to see that you are disenfranchised. You are no longer represented, you are ruled.
They will not do anything you want them to. It's all theater.
"If we win" - you won't. The Party you support might win, but you refuse to see that you are disenfranchised. You are no longer represented, you are ruled.
They will not do anything you want them to. It's all theater.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 09:04 PM (3HxZe)
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340
"OSHA has been notified at the lack of a guardrail!"
Oh fcuk.
The last thing you need is those assholes on your case.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:03 PM (FBT67)
Wait till the EPA gets hold of our grills.
"OSHA has been notified at the lack of a guardrail!"
Oh fcuk.
The last thing you need is those assholes on your case.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:03 PM (FBT67)
Wait till the EPA gets hold of our grills.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 09:04 PM (FsuaD)
350
Btw, they want us to leave. They are trying for a different base.
Posted by: commentorior at March 18, 2015 09:04 PM (ODxAs)
351
...solicitations from the Republican Senate Committee.
I return them in the prepaid envelope and scrawl: OPPOSE AMNESTY AND YOU GET ME BACK
Serious.
Posted by: NYC Deracinated Parent at March 18, 2015 08:43 PM
I just did that earlier this week. Also added...and do something about the deficit.
I return them in the prepaid envelope and scrawl: OPPOSE AMNESTY AND YOU GET ME BACK
Serious.
Posted by: NYC Deracinated Parent at March 18, 2015 08:43 PM
I just did that earlier this week. Also added...and do something about the deficit.
Posted by: Farmer at March 18, 2015 09:04 PM (o/90i)
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269 262 Do you think an Article V Convention will ever, actually happen?
Posted by: NYC Deracinated Parent at March 18, 2015 08:47 PM (xkhWm)
It's one of the few valid hopes we have left, short of The Inevitable.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party
Until we are out maneuvered by the leftists. Goodbye 2nd amendment
269 262 Do you think an Article V Convention will ever, actually happen?
Posted by: NYC Deracinated Parent at March 18, 2015 08:47 PM (xkhWm)
It's one of the few valid hopes we have left, short of The Inevitable.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party
Until we are out maneuvered by the leftists. Goodbye 2nd amendment
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 09:05 PM (znRvO)
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321 Posted by: Df82 at March 18, 2015 08:59 PM (IQSWi)
See ya...
you know the difference between America and Grease?
We're MORE fucked.
The GOP has established we cannot vote the fix to what ails this country.
See ya...
you know the difference between America and Grease?
We're MORE fucked.
The GOP has established we cannot vote the fix to what ails this country.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:05 PM (/4AZU)
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"49
The 1983 movie War Games is now our political movie of choice.
The only winning move is to not play. How about a nice fifth of ValuRite?
Posted by: Robinson at March 18, 2015 08:16 PM (W2Cji)"
Not playing is not a winning move.
The rules of this game are simple:
You can't win.You can't get even.You can't get out of the game.
The 1983 movie War Games is now our political movie of choice.
The only winning move is to not play. How about a nice fifth of ValuRite?
Posted by: Robinson at March 18, 2015 08:16 PM (W2Cji)"
Not playing is not a winning move.
The rules of this game are simple:
You can't win.You can't get even.You can't get out of the game.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at March 18, 2015 09:05 PM (KDbAT)
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Tammy, compared to a TV remote, a game controller is dead simple! And when you're playing on a PC, so you can use the console to override game bugs, Skyrim is a real blast. I'm on my ninth play-through, still finding new things, and posting a story on http://fanfiction.com
Posted by: Empire1 at March 18, 2015 09:05 PM (yvyec)
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To be honest, I never "got" Beck so him leaving the GOP has no meaning for me.
I will confess that there IS someone who does a good pep talk (or one that works for me, anyway) and that's Rush Limbaugh. So maybe I'll listen to him next week.
If I stay engaged it'll be to (1) be a thorn in the Smart Set's side and (2) whore myself out to the highest bidder. Hell, maybe I'll get pandered to for once. It's worth a shot.
I will confess that there IS someone who does a good pep talk (or one that works for me, anyway) and that's Rush Limbaugh. So maybe I'll listen to him next week.
If I stay engaged it'll be to (1) be a thorn in the Smart Set's side and (2) whore myself out to the highest bidder. Hell, maybe I'll get pandered to for once. It's worth a shot.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 09:05 PM (9BRsg)
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Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 08:54 PM (FBT67)
The problem with this is that the liberal vote is split between the NDP and Liberals. The conservatives even after the merger only get a plurality of the vote and if they're lucky, win. The conservatives are almost non existent in Quebec.
The problem with this is that the liberal vote is split between the NDP and Liberals. The conservatives even after the merger only get a plurality of the vote and if they're lucky, win. The conservatives are almost non existent in Quebec.
Posted by: Viking at March 18, 2015 09:05 PM (BFRrE)
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The PC now Conservative Party in Canada went through this. Lost several elections
Posted by: Ricardo Kill
Kim Cambell. Took the Conservatives from a 169 seat majority to 2 -- 2! -- seats in only one election, just 4 months after she got the job.
God, what a mess she was.
Bit of a Milf tho.
The PC now Conservative Party in Canada went through this. Lost several elections
Posted by: Ricardo Kill
Kim Cambell. Took the Conservatives from a 169 seat majority to 2 -- 2! -- seats in only one election, just 4 months after she got the job.
God, what a mess she was.
Bit of a Milf tho.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 18, 2015 09:05 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: chedolf at March 18, 2015 09:06 PM (AKMNq)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 18, 2015 09:06 PM (kdS6q)
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Reagan was a former democrat too. The tx dem party was always more conservative than the national. But if you wanted to be in govt you had to belong to it. That changed 25 years ago. He recognized that. Sounds smart to me.
Posted by: SH
Reagan actually earned money that wasn't tax dollars. He could also articulate conservatism. He won Texas in 1980 and 1984. Dems like Perry are the ones who rigged redistricting in 1980 and 1990 in Texas. Reagan was out of office a long time and Perry was still a Dem. There is no there there.
Posted by: SH
Reagan actually earned money that wasn't tax dollars. He could also articulate conservatism. He won Texas in 1980 and 1984. Dems like Perry are the ones who rigged redistricting in 1980 and 1990 in Texas. Reagan was out of office a long time and Perry was still a Dem. There is no there there.
Posted by: X at March 18, 2015 09:06 PM (UqJ2q)
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I'm done here. Ban me. Since that seems to be what happens here if you dare to criticize the hosts, here.
Posted by: Df82 at March 18, 2015 08:59 PM (IQSWi)
I hope you don't leave. While I disagree with much of your comment, mere disagreement isn't usually enough to get one banned here.
I value your opinion, and I thank you for your service.
I'm done here. Ban me. Since that seems to be what happens here if you dare to criticize the hosts, here.
Posted by: Df82 at March 18, 2015 08:59 PM (IQSWi)
I hope you don't leave. While I disagree with much of your comment, mere disagreement isn't usually enough to get one banned here.
I value your opinion, and I thank you for your service.
Posted by: rickl at March 18, 2015 09:07 PM (sdi6R)
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I knew I was done when I went from ignoring Obama care to beginning to master it.
Posted by: S2 at March 18, 2015 09:07 PM (IT3be)
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The way we win, is we corrupt the language of the left, just as they have corrupted the language of conservatives.
Everything we say should be accompanied by the word fairness and choice.Say thatthat laws that apply only to some people and not all are inherently unfair. Overly complicated laws are unfair.Everyone hates complexity, hates bureaucracy. Make that the thrust of our argument.
For Obamacare - don't repeal, just reduce all the things that must be included in a compliant minimum policy (call it policy simplification and choice), make all healthcare portable, and plans that can cross state lines (more choice). Set up a simple, one-stop website (have amazon run the damn thing, or pick the best state run site).Ditch the employer mandate, but keep the individual mandate. Make Medicare and Medicaid recipients pay some sort of small tax for their coverage. Do all this in the interest of helping people making their lives easier, simpler. Increasing choice. Increase fairness.
Eliminate tax deductions, but with each deduction eliminated, reduce the tax rate a smidgen. You can even start with some obscure sources of revenue like taxes on repatriated corporate profits. Say you are doing it to increase revenues.
For illegals say that we are simply not going to accept any more legal immigrants or refugees until this problem is sorted out, in the interest of fairness. In fact, make legal immigration dependent on deportation of illegals.350,000 deported means 350,000 get to come in legally. That would be fair.
Make this a war on complexity, a war on unfair advantages for the rich and well connected. Don't ever except the premises of the left. When they scream and misbehave, say, "oh so sorry you feel that way, we are just trying to be fair... and provide choices."
The way we win, is we corrupt the language of the left, just as they have corrupted the language of conservatives.
Everything we say should be accompanied by the word fairness and choice.Say thatthat laws that apply only to some people and not all are inherently unfair. Overly complicated laws are unfair.Everyone hates complexity, hates bureaucracy. Make that the thrust of our argument.
For Obamacare - don't repeal, just reduce all the things that must be included in a compliant minimum policy (call it policy simplification and choice), make all healthcare portable, and plans that can cross state lines (more choice). Set up a simple, one-stop website (have amazon run the damn thing, or pick the best state run site).Ditch the employer mandate, but keep the individual mandate. Make Medicare and Medicaid recipients pay some sort of small tax for their coverage. Do all this in the interest of helping people making their lives easier, simpler. Increasing choice. Increase fairness.
Eliminate tax deductions, but with each deduction eliminated, reduce the tax rate a smidgen. You can even start with some obscure sources of revenue like taxes on repatriated corporate profits. Say you are doing it to increase revenues.
For illegals say that we are simply not going to accept any more legal immigrants or refugees until this problem is sorted out, in the interest of fairness. In fact, make legal immigration dependent on deportation of illegals.350,000 deported means 350,000 get to come in legally. That would be fair.
Make this a war on complexity, a war on unfair advantages for the rich and well connected. Don't ever except the premises of the left. When they scream and misbehave, say, "oh so sorry you feel that way, we are just trying to be fair... and provide choices."
Posted by: Doctor Lexus at March 18, 2015 09:07 PM (F192H)
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Why does it matter which party controls the presidency? Three words: Supreme Court vacancies.
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The only one of the current batch I'd trust to make a good pick is Ted Cruz. The rest of them will rely on some asshole advisors or donors or some such. Cruz is literally the only one I actually trust about that decision.
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The only one of the current batch I'd trust to make a good pick is Ted Cruz. The rest of them will rely on some asshole advisors or donors or some such. Cruz is literally the only one I actually trust about that decision.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 09:07 PM (9BRsg)
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I think we should all start watching Maddow and MSNBC.
Then we can live in the fantasy of how horribly extemely consevative this country is.
Then we can live in the fantasy of how horribly extemely consevative this country is.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 18, 2015 09:07 PM (ZvKdv)
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350 Btw, they want us to leave. They are trying for a different base.
Posted by: commentorior at March 18, 2015 09:04 PM (ODxAs)
A base that already has a party. Let them keep trying to compete for the Far Left. I'm done enabling them.
Posted by: commentorior at March 18, 2015 09:04 PM (ODxAs)
A base that already has a party. Let them keep trying to compete for the Far Left. I'm done enabling them.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 09:08 PM (3HxZe)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:08 PM (FBT67)
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352 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 09:05 PM (znRvO)
Why do you think Commie Core is teaching kids the Bill of Rights is really a "Set of Dispensations and Grants?"
The 2d Amendment has at best 25 years left as we get our 44 million guys named Juan on Mi Amigo...
this ain't our country and our birthright is dead or dying.
O-lay OLE O-lay O-lay Ole
Why do you think Commie Core is teaching kids the Bill of Rights is really a "Set of Dispensations and Grants?"
The 2d Amendment has at best 25 years left as we get our 44 million guys named Juan on Mi Amigo...
this ain't our country and our birthright is dead or dying.
O-lay OLE O-lay O-lay Ole
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:08 PM (/4AZU)
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I saw a tweet today by a black man who said that all Blacks should just vote Republican, en mass for the next election.
I believe there exists in this country, a demography that no longer fits in either party, but would fit nicely into a party that had the ideas of the founders as a basis for its existence.
But I'm a dreamer.
I believe there exists in this country, a demography that no longer fits in either party, but would fit nicely into a party that had the ideas of the founders as a basis for its existence.
But I'm a dreamer.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 18, 2015 09:08 PM (BZAd3)
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LDC, just skipped to the end here, but did you see that everyone - even ace! - failed to get your sarcasm on your "not I" comment?
Wow.
That's kind of weird.
Wow.
That's kind of weird.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2015 09:08 PM (afQnV)
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Well, the GOPe has at least taken the mask off along with the Dems. McConnell (I think?) actually issued a statement admitting that they won't fight on anything and won't be doing anything until the next election. So, at least the big con game they've been playing for so long is finally over.
Posted by: L, Elle at March 18, 2015 09:08 PM (MOr4F)
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She was the best of candidates, she was the worst of candidates...
Posted by: Fritz at March 18, 2015 09:09 PM (ty633)
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256 250 Royal Oil,
To what end?
So we can gift shitheels with 6 figures and a K street presence,
Posted by: The Smiling Bandit@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 08:46 PM (/4AZU)
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256 250 Royal Oil,
To what end?
So we can gift shitheels with 6 figures and a K street presence,
Posted by: The Smiling Bandit@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 08:46 PM (/4AZU)
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Posted by: RoyalOil at March 18, 2015 09:09 PM (ZvKdv)
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Ban me. Since that seems to be what happens here if you dare to criticize the hosts, here.
Posted by: Df82 at March 18, 2015 08:59 PM (IQSWi)
Who's been banned?
Did I miss something?
I've gone after Maetenloch numerous times for his snobbery about poor people, and ain't been banned. And he wields a heavy hammer.
You mad, bro?
Posted by: Df82 at March 18, 2015 08:59 PM (IQSWi)
Who's been banned?
Did I miss something?
I've gone after Maetenloch numerous times for his snobbery about poor people, and ain't been banned. And he wields a heavy hammer.
You mad, bro?
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at March 18, 2015 09:09 PM (yxw0r)
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I was wondering about something today. Every political leader in the world is able to kick Obama's ass whenever necessary. Politicians who hate the United States steal his lunch and give him wedgies on an almost daily basis.
Politicians in what use to be allies dwarf him in moral stature.
I suspect any unknown backbencher in Tonga's Parliament could kick his ass in debate.
Every thing this reverse Midas touches turns to fecal matter, except for his relationship with the Republicans in the Senate and Congress. When it comes to them the SCOAMF does the ass kicking.
I do not understand it. If this was a boxing match some kind of commission would be investigating. It's like Don Knotts beating up Mike Tyson. It makes no form of sense at all.
Politicians in what use to be allies dwarf him in moral stature.
I suspect any unknown backbencher in Tonga's Parliament could kick his ass in debate.
Every thing this reverse Midas touches turns to fecal matter, except for his relationship with the Republicans in the Senate and Congress. When it comes to them the SCOAMF does the ass kicking.
I do not understand it. If this was a boxing match some kind of commission would be investigating. It's like Don Knotts beating up Mike Tyson. It makes no form of sense at all.
Posted by: Northernlurker at March 18, 2015 09:09 PM (tMrac)
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356 Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 09:05 PM (9BRsg)
Beck has sweet eff-all to do with my feelings....
The GOP flat out lied to us, and is enabling AMIGO GRANDE!
I made it quite plain during the last donation cycle that if Amigo Grande happens I quit.
Beck has sweet eff-all to do with my feelings....
The GOP flat out lied to us, and is enabling AMIGO GRANDE!
I made it quite plain during the last donation cycle that if Amigo Grande happens I quit.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:10 PM (/4AZU)
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X - there is obvious big differences between Reagan and perry. But there are similarities too. But shouldn't we be happy when politicians become more conservative?
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 09:10 PM (PaMwv)
Posted by: Malcolm Tent at March 18, 2015 09:10 PM (SHU+C)
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Posted by: Herp Mc Derp at March 18, 2015 09:04 PM (7QRNd)
Yeah cuz the Bushes gave us such stellar Justice nominees, Souter, Harriet Meyers, Roberts.
Spare me.
Yeah cuz the Bushes gave us such stellar Justice nominees, Souter, Harriet Meyers, Roberts.
Spare me.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 09:10 PM (znRvO)
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Posted by: Empire1 at March 18, 2015 09:05 PM (yvyec)
In all honestly, video games make me jumpy. I've never playe done, but I get ansty just watching them, especially if they're timed ( I know Skyrim isn't)
Been wondering where you'd got to, now we know!
Will definitely check out your fanfic!
In all honestly, video games make me jumpy. I've never playe done, but I get ansty just watching them, especially if they're timed ( I know Skyrim isn't)
Been wondering where you'd got to, now we know!
Will definitely check out your fanfic!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 18, 2015 09:10 PM (1ND2u)
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294 > 291
Vichy Republicans was posted by:
Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at March 18, 2015 07:27 AM (jhRZ+)
Vichy Republicans was posted by:
Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at March 18, 2015 07:27 AM (jhRZ+)
Posted by: St Paddy the Delurker at March 18, 2015 09:10 PM (aXCDY)
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OG. Newsletter?
Posted by: freaked at March 18, 2015 09:10 PM (JdEZJ)
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Btw, they want us to leave. They are trying for a different base.
Posted by: commentorior at March 18, 2015 09:04 PM (ODxAs)
A harder working more fertile base.
Posted by: commentorior at March 18, 2015 09:04 PM (ODxAs)
A harder working more fertile base.
Posted by: JEB Bush at March 18, 2015 09:10 PM (W5DcG)
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Feed the Homeless to the Hungry!
Posted by: Stop The Hate Party at March 18, 2015 09:10 PM (y/p2Y)
386
Why does it matter which party controls the presidency? Three words: Supreme Court vacancies. There will almost certainly be one vacancy on the Court in the next six years, perhaps two, and possibly even three. Even a Republican establishment president, however stupid and squishy he or she might be, would not nominate the Constitution-destroying "progressives" that a Democrat president would.
Posted by: Herp Mc Derp
Hi! How ya doing?
Posted by: Justice John "Bob" Roberts
Why does it matter which party controls the presidency? Three words: Supreme Court vacancies. There will almost certainly be one vacancy on the Court in the next six years, perhaps two, and possibly even three. Even a Republican establishment president, however stupid and squishy he or she might be, would not nominate the Constitution-destroying "progressives" that a Democrat president would.
Posted by: Herp Mc Derp
Hi! How ya doing?
Posted by: Justice John "Bob" Roberts
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 18, 2015 09:10 PM (kdS6q)
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Reagan and Buckley lived in a different time.
At that time the existential threat was communism, and one party understood this. The other party was infiltrated.
Their dictums no longer apply.
Today the existential threat is socialism. BOTH parties embrace this.
At that time the existential threat was communism, and one party understood this. The other party was infiltrated.
Their dictums no longer apply.
Today the existential threat is socialism. BOTH parties embrace this.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at March 18, 2015 09:11 PM (LWu6U)
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Damn iPad.
Base of operations.
Can't have an insurgency without a political entity under your control to provide haven.
Take over your city first. Then you can start to defy the Feds.
Base of operations.
Can't have an insurgency without a political entity under your control to provide haven.
Take over your city first. Then you can start to defy the Feds.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 18, 2015 09:11 PM (ZvKdv)
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374 Posted by: RoyalOil at March 18, 2015 09:09 PM (ZvKdv)
Quite...
there is *nothing* to say I saw that movie already it was called "The Invisible 350-500,000 in DC" aka the Tea Party.
Lay down your burden.
Quite...
there is *nothing* to say I saw that movie already it was called "The Invisible 350-500,000 in DC" aka the Tea Party.
Lay down your burden.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:11 PM (/4AZU)
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"Why does it matter which party controls the presidency? Three words: Supreme Court vacancies."
Yeah, I'd almost be there with you but:
Anthony Kennedy. David Souter. John Roberts. Harriet Myers.
Alito and Thomas the sorta bright spots in there.
Yeah, I'd almost be there with you but:
Anthony Kennedy. David Souter. John Roberts. Harriet Myers.
Alito and Thomas the sorta bright spots in there.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:11 PM (FBT67)
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But I'm a dreamer.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 18, 2015 09:08 PM (BZAd3)
I think it's a dream that could be a reality. More and more people are starting to see about how the fish is rotten from the head down in both parties. At this point, what do we have to lose?
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 18, 2015 09:08 PM (BZAd3)
I think it's a dream that could be a reality. More and more people are starting to see about how the fish is rotten from the head down in both parties. At this point, what do we have to lose?
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 09:11 PM (3HxZe)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, by the Pale Moon light at March 18, 2015 09:11 PM (m9V0o)
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In the last few decades. the Republicans screw the conservatives and then lie about their bona fides just before the elections. Most conservatives, just like me, would hold their noses and vote for the crap sandwich. Not this time. You can tell the difference, this time. No more screaming and crying and howling for blood when the Republicans screw us. And then the holding of the nose and voting for the establishment loser. This time it's so much more quiet. "Eh. Screw em."
Posted by: redclay at March 18, 2015 09:11 PM (GM8B7)
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Ban me. Since that seems to be what happens here if you dare to criticize the hosts, here.
Really? Name instances where this has happened. I've never seen simply disagreeing with Ace be a cause for banning.
Of course, that fact would negate your whiny martyrdom, and then what the fuck would you have?
Really? Name instances where this has happened. I've never seen simply disagreeing with Ace be a cause for banning.
Of course, that fact would negate your whiny martyrdom, and then what the fuck would you have?
Posted by: you poor persecuted snowflake at March 18, 2015 09:11 PM (/zpRd)
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 18, 2015 09:11 PM (yi8ar)
396
Right on. This former GOP Precinct Delegate is no longer going to suck it up either.
JustDave in GR
JustDave in GR
Posted by: JustDave in GR at March 18, 2015 09:12 PM (51JSR)
397
Vote from the Rooftops! Garden from the Streetlamps!
Posted by: Stop The Hate Party at March 18, 2015 09:12 PM (y/p2Y)
398
Cruz is literally the only one I actually trust about that decision.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 09:07 PM (9BRsg)
^^^^^^THIS!!!!!
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 09:07 PM (9BRsg)
^^^^^^THIS!!!!!
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 18, 2015 09:12 PM (ftVQq)
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386 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 18, 2015 09:10 PM (kdS6q)
Quite Democrats picked *our* SCotUS Justices AND they get to pick THEIR SCotUS picks....
the game is rigged.
Quite Democrats picked *our* SCotUS Justices AND they get to pick THEIR SCotUS picks....
the game is rigged.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:12 PM (/4AZU)
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so I would vote for him today. If I'm going to be lied to, I want it to sound pretty.
Heh, now I'm singing "Don't it make my brown eyes blue." Tell me no secrets, tell me some lies. Don't give me reasons, give me alibis.
Heh, now I'm singing "Don't it make my brown eyes blue." Tell me no secrets, tell me some lies. Don't give me reasons, give me alibis.
Posted by: no good deed at March 18, 2015 09:12 PM (ZKGnj)
401
390
"Why does it matter which party controls the presidency? Three words: Supreme Court vacancies."
Yeah, I'd almost be there with you but:
Anthony Kennedy. David Souter. John Roberts. Harriet Myers.
Alito and Thomas the sorta bright spots in there.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:11 PM (FBT67)
This.Eh. Screw em.
"Why does it matter which party controls the presidency? Three words: Supreme Court vacancies."
Yeah, I'd almost be there with you but:
Anthony Kennedy. David Souter. John Roberts. Harriet Myers.
Alito and Thomas the sorta bright spots in there.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:11 PM (FBT67)
This.Eh. Screw em.
Posted by: redclay at March 18, 2015 09:13 PM (GM8B7)
402
Unfortunately the good part of Obamacare is that you will die someday, eventually.
Posted by: West at March 18, 2015 09:13 PM (f6S40)
403
Oh man, I can't wait to hear the Podcast this week!
Can we get Drew to talk like Darth Sidious?
Give in to your hate my young apprentice, good, good!
Can we get Drew to talk like Darth Sidious?
Give in to your hate my young apprentice, good, good!
Posted by: gwelf at March 18, 2015 09:14 PM (1Zt0L)
404
Bar fight! Bar fight!
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:14 PM (FBT67)
405
As a childless genetic deadender I reckon that my response to this sort of despair is worth less than nothing.
Does the GOP suck ass? Yeah, of course. Let's be honest here and take a hard, clear look at the matter.
Being an apathetic loser is the same though. Let's be honest here and take a hard, clear look at the matter.
Maybe if I had kids I'd be more motivated and useful in regards to the future of this country.
I mean, hey, if we're being honest here.
Does the GOP suck ass? Yeah, of course. Let's be honest here and take a hard, clear look at the matter.
Being an apathetic loser is the same though. Let's be honest here and take a hard, clear look at the matter.
Maybe if I had kids I'd be more motivated and useful in regards to the future of this country.
I mean, hey, if we're being honest here.
Posted by: basicbv at March 18, 2015 09:14 PM (kQ364)
406
We have a hard time getting GOP senators to vote against bad supreme court nominees.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2015 09:14 PM (W5DcG)
407
In addition to being a Democrat originally, Reagan was also pro-choice.
He changed.
I still like Rick Perry. Plus, he's the only potential candidate with a military background.
The thought of Hillary! as CiC makes me violently ill.
He changed.
I still like Rick Perry. Plus, he's the only potential candidate with a military background.
The thought of Hillary! as CiC makes me violently ill.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 09:14 PM (FsuaD)
408
Alito and Thomas the sorta bright spots in there.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:11 PM (FBT67)
And to think we could have had Bork!
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:11 PM (FBT67)
And to think we could have had Bork!
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 18, 2015 09:15 PM (ftVQq)
409
321
1: Excoriate party for lying to base.
2: Admit you've been lying to
base. And not just base, but friends and colleagues, without even the
excuse of having to win elections in centrist districts.
3. Adopt posture of righteous indignation.
Fantastic. Also,
1: Claim to care deeply about future of the country.
2: Proudly declare you're going to let it burn, all hail President Hillary. Because feelings.
See
also: Declare personal prognostications as fact, and hold others to
account for not doing what they haven't have the opportunity to do. Like
repeal Obamacare, which is legislatively IMPOSSIBLE.
You guys claim to like Reagan so much? "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican." I guess you forgot that one.
And
the political ignorance? Jesus. I know you like to intimate having
"insider baseball Gnostic secret knowledge," but come on. You really
can't figure out why McConnell scuttled the immigration fight? Really?
When a federal judge held (strongly) that the President's actions were
unlawful in the days between when the matter left the House and went to
the Senate, making a fight (for purposes of the 2016 presidential
elections, which is the ENTIRE FOCUS of the party right now) totally
moot?
Nope, a perfectly rational explanation isn't even
considered. It's just malicious betrayal for the sheer hell of it.
That's a pathetic justification for what I suspect is just a desire to
quit.
Andrew Breitbart would be fucking ashamed. I know I am. At least the
imbeciles at Firedoglake and DailyKOS understand political
realities and can deal with them. This site over the past few months has
been the worst collection of childish, stupid political temper tantrums
I've ever seen.
Go follow Beck into the wilderness. If
tired, corrupt, incompetent Hillary-fucking-Clinton wins in 2016, the
rest of us will know who to blame: you and yours. And if we win, you and
yours deserve no say in future policies, because you proved yourselves
to be selfish summer soldiers and traitors to the cause, more interested
in your fucking *feelings* than in victory.
I'm done here. Ban me. Since that seems to be what happens here if you dare to criticize the hosts, here.
I've fallen for this line of thinking for a long time.
1: Excoriate party for lying to base.
2: Admit you've been lying to
base. And not just base, but friends and colleagues, without even the
excuse of having to win elections in centrist districts.
3. Adopt posture of righteous indignation.
Fantastic. Also,
1: Claim to care deeply about future of the country.
2: Proudly declare you're going to let it burn, all hail President Hillary. Because feelings.
See
also: Declare personal prognostications as fact, and hold others to
account for not doing what they haven't have the opportunity to do. Like
repeal Obamacare, which is legislatively IMPOSSIBLE.
You guys claim to like Reagan so much? "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican." I guess you forgot that one.
And
the political ignorance? Jesus. I know you like to intimate having
"insider baseball Gnostic secret knowledge," but come on. You really
can't figure out why McConnell scuttled the immigration fight? Really?
When a federal judge held (strongly) that the President's actions were
unlawful in the days between when the matter left the House and went to
the Senate, making a fight (for purposes of the 2016 presidential
elections, which is the ENTIRE FOCUS of the party right now) totally
moot?
Nope, a perfectly rational explanation isn't even
considered. It's just malicious betrayal for the sheer hell of it.
That's a pathetic justification for what I suspect is just a desire to
quit.
Andrew Breitbart would be fucking ashamed. I know I am. At least the
imbeciles at Firedoglake and DailyKOS understand political
realities and can deal with them. This site over the past few months has
been the worst collection of childish, stupid political temper tantrums
I've ever seen.
Go follow Beck into the wilderness. If
tired, corrupt, incompetent Hillary-fucking-Clinton wins in 2016, the
rest of us will know who to blame: you and yours. And if we win, you and
yours deserve no say in future policies, because you proved yourselves
to be selfish summer soldiers and traitors to the cause, more interested
in your fucking *feelings* than in victory.
I'm done here. Ban me. Since that seems to be what happens here if you dare to criticize the hosts, here.
I've fallen for this line of thinking for a long time.
Posted by: redclay at March 18, 2015 09:15 PM (GM8B7)
410
And here is a whole series of short messages (No, they weren't written by me :^) on how to strengthen oneself in the Lord. You have to scroll up from the lower ones to get the first message in the series:
http://tinyurl.com/kp3wk99
Really, as addicted as I am consider taking a day off from the board an don't look at any political media. The world will still be here when you get back and you may be glad you did.
Good night everyone.
http://tinyurl.com/kp3wk99
Really, as addicted as I am consider taking a day off from the board an don't look at any political media. The world will still be here when you get back and you may be glad you did.
Good night everyone.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 18, 2015 09:15 PM (DXzRD)
411
The ONT can't come soon enough
Posted by: @votermom at March 18, 2015 09:15 PM (Kh7z6)
412
which was it SH? was he always conservative or did he become more conservative. in his fifties. to win an election.
Posted by: X at March 18, 2015 09:16 PM (UqJ2q)
413
Unfortunately the good part of Obamacare is that you will die someday, eventually just sooner.
Posted by: West at March 18, 2015 09:13 PM (f6S40)
FIFY!
Posted by: West at March 18, 2015 09:13 PM (f6S40)
FIFY!
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 18, 2015 09:16 PM (ftVQq)
414
Good night everyone.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 18, 2015 09:15 PM (DXzRD)
'Night. Peaceful dreams.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 18, 2015 09:15 PM (DXzRD)
'Night. Peaceful dreams.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 09:16 PM (FsuaD)
415
I have been saying Biz Markie 2016 longer than I have been saying Walker-Haley 2016.
I really, really want to like Walker because he can beat Dems. But the Establishment GOP is trying to turn me off to him just because he is related to them.
Might as well be Joe Biden, then.
Or Biz Markie. Not sure which one would be more entertaining.
I really, really want to like Walker because he can beat Dems. But the Establishment GOP is trying to turn me off to him just because he is related to them.
Might as well be Joe Biden, then.
Or Biz Markie. Not sure which one would be more entertaining.
Posted by: blaster at March 18, 2015 09:16 PM (amMYN)
416
405 Posted by: basicbv at March 18, 2015 09:14 PM (kQ364)
Being an apathetic loser?
You mean like sending thousands of dollars to a party that despises you?
I could have bought literal SHIT and come out ahead on the bargain....
at least that volume of shit would enrich my land.....
no growing a garden or getting the skills to escape the slaughterhouse collectivists have such a longing for is more productive than pretending Mooch MacDonald or Johhny Beam Boehner are in the "stop Ogabe" business.
Being an apathetic loser?
You mean like sending thousands of dollars to a party that despises you?
I could have bought literal SHIT and come out ahead on the bargain....
at least that volume of shit would enrich my land.....
no growing a garden or getting the skills to escape the slaughterhouse collectivists have such a longing for is more productive than pretending Mooch MacDonald or Johhny Beam Boehner are in the "stop Ogabe" business.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:17 PM (/4AZU)
417
387 Reagan and Buckley lived in a different time.
At that time the existential threat was communism, and one party understood this. The other party was infiltrated.
Their dictums no longer apply.
Today the existential threat is socialism. BOTH parties embrace this.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at March 18, 2015 09:11 PM (LWu6U)
^^This.
Either socialism or fascism. Six of one; half dozen of the other.
As I understand it, Mussolini invented fascism as a "new, improved" version of socialism. Today it seems to be the dominant political/economic system in the world, and he's laughing in his grave.
At that time the existential threat was communism, and one party understood this. The other party was infiltrated.
Their dictums no longer apply.
Today the existential threat is socialism. BOTH parties embrace this.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at March 18, 2015 09:11 PM (LWu6U)
^^This.
Either socialism or fascism. Six of one; half dozen of the other.
As I understand it, Mussolini invented fascism as a "new, improved" version of socialism. Today it seems to be the dominant political/economic system in the world, and he's laughing in his grave.
Posted by: rickl at March 18, 2015 09:17 PM (sdi6R)
418
Posted by: redclay at March 18, 2015 09:15 PM (GM8B7)
He still thinks it makes a difference whether we get corrupt incompetent Hillary, corrupt incompetent Warren, corrupt incompetent JEB, or corrupt incompetent Christy.
He still thinks it makes a difference whether we get corrupt incompetent Hillary, corrupt incompetent Warren, corrupt incompetent JEB, or corrupt incompetent Christy.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 09:17 PM (3HxZe)
419
We have a hard time getting GOP senators to vote against bad supreme court nominees.
---
And Atty Generals.
With all the lawlessness this administration is still engaging in, the GOP will still vote to confirm O's pick.
---
And Atty Generals.
With all the lawlessness this administration is still engaging in, the GOP will still vote to confirm O's pick.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 09:17 PM (9BRsg)
420
"Really? Name instances where this (banning) has happened.
I was banned for some time. For merely criticizing Ace's opinions.
If Pixy was any better at IT, I'd still be banned.
I was banned for some time. For merely criticizing Ace's opinions.
If Pixy was any better at IT, I'd still be banned.
Posted by: someguy at March 18, 2015 09:17 PM (3z91g)
421
social conservatives and secular conservatives will never agree
3rd party not going to be viable unless we keep abortion and gay marriage off the platform
those are now cultural 3rd rails, I don't think the social cons quite understand this yet
3rd party not going to be viable unless we keep abortion and gay marriage off the platform
those are now cultural 3rd rails, I don't think the social cons quite understand this yet
Posted by: some guy at March 18, 2015 09:17 PM (q177U)
422
It is and has been a criminal enterprise. When you vote for them they are confirmed to rule over. I listened to the voices in the back saying, you have to vote for the republicans because the democrats are so much worse. More and more they don't hide their criminal lives. So go ahead and try to convert them to honest politicians. The criminals will leave when they are forced out. It is not too strong to call them criminals, what else would you call liars, thieves and perhaps murderers.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 18, 2015 09:17 PM (WNERA)
Posted by: Yip at March 18, 2015 09:17 PM (84SRe)
424
you proved yourselves to be selfish summer soldiers and traitors to the cause, more interested in your fucking *feelings* than in victory. I'm done here. Ban me. Since that seems to be what happens here if you dare to criticize the hosts, here.
Posted by: Df82
Have you noticed just how few people are commenting on your fearless stand and noble wiliness to suffer a martyr's fate?
Man, must quite the blow to one's self perception of their importance as an internet warrior.
you proved yourselves to be selfish summer soldiers and traitors to the cause, more interested in your fucking *feelings* than in victory. I'm done here. Ban me. Since that seems to be what happens here if you dare to criticize the hosts, here.
Posted by: Df82
Have you noticed just how few people are commenting on your fearless stand and noble wiliness to suffer a martyr's fate?
Man, must quite the blow to one's self perception of their importance as an internet warrior.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 18, 2015 09:17 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:18 PM (/4AZU)
426
The combination of this kind of strident tone with liberal positions on a bunch of issues is the weirdest thing about the conservative blogosphere to me
Posted by: MKL at March 18, 2015 09:18 PM (Pa4eZ)
427
X - they both came over to the right side.
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 09:18 PM (PaMwv)
428
So I'm in Commiefornia. Where we now have "jungle primaries".
Having left the GOP post-McCain and re-registered independent, I figure that next time round I have two options at primary time.
(a) Vote for an actually conservative Republican candidate as a protest, or,
(b) Vote for the furthest left Democratic candidate as sabotage.
But, given the way the system typically works, by the time the primaries have cascaded down to Commiefornia, my choices will have been effectively narrowed to either:
(a) Jeb! or
(b) Ready for Hillary!
Can't tell you how thrilling I find this prospect. Because I don't find it thrilling in the least.
Having left the GOP post-McCain and re-registered independent, I figure that next time round I have two options at primary time.
(a) Vote for an actually conservative Republican candidate as a protest, or,
(b) Vote for the furthest left Democratic candidate as sabotage.
But, given the way the system typically works, by the time the primaries have cascaded down to Commiefornia, my choices will have been effectively narrowed to either:
(a) Jeb! or
(b) Ready for Hillary!
Can't tell you how thrilling I find this prospect. Because I don't find it thrilling in the least.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 18, 2015 09:18 PM (noWW6)
429
This site over the past few months has
been the worst collection of childish, stupid political temper tantrums
I've ever seen.
And bewbs. You forgot bewbs.
been the worst collection of childish, stupid political temper tantrums
I've ever seen.
And bewbs. You forgot bewbs.
Posted by: Iblis at March 18, 2015 09:18 PM (vPB1q)
430
Posted by: rickl at March 18, 2015 09:17 PM (sdi6R)
It is indeed fascism.
When big government teams up with big business to dictate every aspect of life, when the government protects its chosen winners from competition, when the political class and the bent executive class merge...
This isn't Capitalism.
It is indeed fascism.
When big government teams up with big business to dictate every aspect of life, when the government protects its chosen winners from competition, when the political class and the bent executive class merge...
This isn't Capitalism.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 09:19 PM (3HxZe)
431
My biospawn will implant her eggs in your nostrils.
Posted by: President Prolapse at March 18, 2015 09:19 PM (y/p2Y)
432
Andrew Breitbart would be fucking ashamed. I know I am.
I just got back from a seance. Andy says you're a smelly dildo.
I just got back from a seance. Andy says you're a smelly dildo.
Posted by: Republicana Authenticos at March 18, 2015 09:19 PM (Q819Q)
433
It's not Let It Burn. It's already is."
Been saying that it is already burnt for a long time now. Just picking through the ashes for shiny stuff now.
Happy thought from a happy guy.
Been saying that it is already burnt for a long time now. Just picking through the ashes for shiny stuff now.
Happy thought from a happy guy.
Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 18, 2015 09:20 PM (6yehy)
Posted by: rickl at March 18, 2015 09:20 PM (sdi6R)
435
those are now cultural 3rd rails, I don't think the social cons quite understand this yet
If you can make everything off limits then we are in the Outer Limits.
If you can make everything off limits then we are in the Outer Limits.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2015 09:20 PM (W5DcG)
436
those are now cultural 3rd rails, I don't think the social cons quite understand this yet
Posted by: some guy at March 18, 2015 09:17 PM (q177U)
A new party's platform should be that social issues are to be handled at the state level as per the 10th Amendment. No national positions on social issues!
Posted by: some guy at March 18, 2015 09:17 PM (q177U)
A new party's platform should be that social issues are to be handled at the state level as per the 10th Amendment. No national positions on social issues!
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 09:20 PM (3HxZe)
437
Palate cleanser. Mama owl seems to have dropped off a form of weasel for the kiddies.
(We have lots of weasels and mink around here.)
http://landingsbirdcam.com/
(We have lots of weasels and mink around here.)
http://landingsbirdcam.com/
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 09:20 PM (FsuaD)
438
"3rd party not going to be viable unless we keep abortion and gay marriage off the platform
"
Ya know, I never really thought of myself as a social conservative but, shit, have I found out that I sure am.
Used to be "gay people, fine whatever" and "abortion, fine okay" but damn I'm getting crotchety anymore.
"
Ya know, I never really thought of myself as a social conservative but, shit, have I found out that I sure am.
Used to be "gay people, fine whatever" and "abortion, fine okay" but damn I'm getting crotchety anymore.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:20 PM (FBT67)
439
Posted by: someguy at March 18, 2015 09:17 PM (3z91g)
Posted by: some guy at March 18, 2015 09:17 PM (q177U)
Hmmm - two different people, or one guy running a nick flipping script.
Posted by: someguy at March 18, 2015 09:17 PM (3z91g)
Posted by: some guy at March 18, 2015 09:17 PM (q177U)
Hmmm - two different people, or one guy running a nick flipping script.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 18, 2015 09:20 PM (kdS6q)
440
I begged a good friend to vote for Mcshitty because JEF. He said Phuk him he's not a conservative. He was right. I voted and was wrong. Repeated in 12. Fooled again. I called RNC and told them no more. No money anymore. Now I get no phone calls,mailings or email. And I'm happier. I will vote only local unless someone speaks truth to power like Cheney did in the recent interview.
Posted by: Kentucky Kid at March 18, 2015 09:21 PM (1weFB)
441
No national positions on social issues!
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 09:20 PM (3HxZe)
Except those explicitly spelled out in the Constitution
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 09:20 PM (3HxZe)
Except those explicitly spelled out in the Constitution
Posted by: Iblis at March 18, 2015 09:21 PM (vPB1q)
442
I live in Massachusetts & have all my life. After the GOP Senate primary to replace Kerry, when I voted my choice & didn't bother with general election. It was D Ed Markey & as Vic calls them a DIABLO Gaberiel Gomez. I wouldn't vote for either.
My votes here make no difference. I'm never checking off name only because candidate is Republucan.
Establisment has to have brain damage. Don't any wonder why people stopped supporting RNC? Looked into 5 million missing voters in 2012 election? Don't they care that unless they smarten up, that party is dead? Chamber won't support them if no one votes for them.
We have conservatives in this state, more than most expect.
As Clint Easteood said so eloquently, we keep it quiet, unlike lib's who just love to scream it & throw it at people.
My votes here make no difference. I'm never checking off name only because candidate is Republucan.
Establisment has to have brain damage. Don't any wonder why people stopped supporting RNC? Looked into 5 million missing voters in 2012 election? Don't they care that unless they smarten up, that party is dead? Chamber won't support them if no one votes for them.
We have conservatives in this state, more than most expect.
As Clint Easteood said so eloquently, we keep it quiet, unlike lib's who just love to scream it & throw it at people.
Posted by: Carol at March 18, 2015 09:22 PM (sj3Ax)
443
Obamacare is like any entitlement. You have to be mean and take it from any sob story example (sick kids with cancer, single young women who were raped, two people who love each other but both have cocks!!!) You're a hater and a cheapskate, which is no way to win elections. So, go with the cool kids with powerful lobbyists and whores in the media.
They will not do anything to meaningfully reduce the scope of government in our lives. The system will still be rife with waste, fraud and abuse, and they know you disapprove, which is why they're replacing you with barely literate, unskilled foreign labor who are used to way more corruption.
This is your last chance. Stay home on election day. Go on tax strike. Move to another country, if you can. The great experiment is dead.
They will not do anything to meaningfully reduce the scope of government in our lives. The system will still be rife with waste, fraud and abuse, and they know you disapprove, which is why they're replacing you with barely literate, unskilled foreign labor who are used to way more corruption.
This is your last chance. Stay home on election day. Go on tax strike. Move to another country, if you can. The great experiment is dead.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 18, 2015 09:22 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: CQD at March 18, 2015 09:22 PM (pyCzL)
445
427 X - they both came over to the right side.
one 40 years later than the other. and he can't explain why.
one 40 years later than the other. and he can't explain why.
Posted by: X at March 18, 2015 09:22 PM (UqJ2q)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:22 PM (FBT67)
447
434 Posted by: rickl at March 18, 2015 09:20 PM (sdi6R)
DF82 is not a bad fella...
that said the Martyrdom "ace is Jharles Chonson like in nuking folks" scthick is well "meh"....
as is "COMMIE COMMIE!"
Look dude that ship has sailed all the "Moderate GOP" social lib "fiscal cons" crossed over or sat shit out....
I am pretty expert on what LGF was and is.....
This ain't LGF
DF82 is not a bad fella...
that said the Martyrdom "ace is Jharles Chonson like in nuking folks" scthick is well "meh"....
as is "COMMIE COMMIE!"
Look dude that ship has sailed all the "Moderate GOP" social lib "fiscal cons" crossed over or sat shit out....
I am pretty expert on what LGF was and is.....
This ain't LGF
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:22 PM (/4AZU)
448
It's times like these that I'm glad that I live in Texas. I don't even have to hold my nose when I vote.
Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at March 18, 2015 09:22 PM (0RdKg)
449
Except those explicitly spelled out in the Constitution
Posted by: Iblis at March 18, 2015 09:21 PM (vPB1q)
Exactly.
Posted by: Iblis at March 18, 2015 09:21 PM (vPB1q)
Exactly.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 09:22 PM (3HxZe)
450
This is one of Ace's funniest posts:
Glenn Beck says he's done with the GOP, "so I am too."
The fuck? Since when has Glenn Beck been the soul of the Republican Party? When was he elected? Did I miss a vote?
If Reagan quits, then I'm outta here. Glenn Beck? Who the fuck is Glenn Beck?
Glenn Beck says he's done with the GOP, "so I am too."
The fuck? Since when has Glenn Beck been the soul of the Republican Party? When was he elected? Did I miss a vote?
If Reagan quits, then I'm outta here. Glenn Beck? Who the fuck is Glenn Beck?
Posted by: someguy at March 18, 2015 09:22 PM (3z91g)
451
From Sarah A. Hoyt - "Winter ay Valley Forge:"
Read all 5 pqges. Time to hoist that pirate flag!
Read all 5 pqges. Time to hoist that pirate flag!
Posted by: St Paddy the Delurker at March 18, 2015 09:22 PM (aXCDY)
452
No national positions on social issues!
Eh I'm of the position that the GOP's top priority should be making abortion illegal. I think if it focused on that and that alone some of the fiscal stuff would be solved
Eh I'm of the position that the GOP's top priority should be making abortion illegal. I think if it focused on that and that alone some of the fiscal stuff would be solved
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 09:23 PM (PaMwv)
453
I do not want Hilldog for TFG so will therefore vote against her. Just as I voted against zero. It does seem rather futile though.
Posted by: freaked at March 18, 2015 09:23 PM (JdEZJ)
454
Tammy, I would be honored if you'd read my story Go to
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11106521/1/Yssha-s-Tale
to read it -- I think that'll take you to the first chapter. I've got 3 up so far, working for 1 or 2 a week.
Go to
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11106521/1/Yssha-s-Tale
to read it -- I think that'll take you to the first chapter. I've got 3 up so far, working for 1 or 2 a week.
Posted by: Empire1 at March 18, 2015 09:23 PM (yvyec)
455
Though, conservatives go a valuable scalp in Cantor, though Brat is already a sellout. Keep picking them off.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 18, 2015 09:24 PM (Y92Nd)
456
SH, I don't hate the guy. He's OK. But he's no standard bearer.
Posted by: X at March 18, 2015 09:24 PM (UqJ2q)
457
"You mean like sending thousands of dollars to a party that despises you?"
Sven, I make no defense of the GOP. I quit them years before Ace.
I'm saying something very specific here. Yes, the GOP is party of losers. I'm also proposing the possibility that I wouldn't feel so comfortable talking about meteors and letting it burn if I had a a reason to care about the future. Does that apply to others here as well? I'm guessing so. Hey, let's be honest here. It's refreshing, isn't it?
There aren't all that many heroes on the horizon wherever you look.
Sven, I make no defense of the GOP. I quit them years before Ace.
I'm saying something very specific here. Yes, the GOP is party of losers. I'm also proposing the possibility that I wouldn't feel so comfortable talking about meteors and letting it burn if I had a a reason to care about the future. Does that apply to others here as well? I'm guessing so. Hey, let's be honest here. It's refreshing, isn't it?
There aren't all that many heroes on the horizon wherever you look.
Posted by: basicbv at March 18, 2015 09:24 PM (kQ364)
458
415
I have been saying Biz Markie 2016 longer than I have been saying Walker-Haley 2016.
I really, really want to like Walker because he can beat Dems. But
the Establishment GOP is trying to turn me off to him just because he is
related to them.
Might as well be Joe Biden, then.
Or Biz Markie. Not sure which one would be more entertaining.
Posted by: blaster at March 18, 2015 09:16 PM (amMYN)
Have you ever read "Confessions of a D-List Supervillian"? Biz Markie is the Patron Saint.
I have been saying Biz Markie 2016 longer than I have been saying Walker-Haley 2016.
I really, really want to like Walker because he can beat Dems. But
the Establishment GOP is trying to turn me off to him just because he is
related to them.
Might as well be Joe Biden, then.
Or Biz Markie. Not sure which one would be more entertaining.
Posted by: blaster at March 18, 2015 09:16 PM (amMYN)
Have you ever read "Confessions of a D-List Supervillian"? Biz Markie is the Patron Saint.
Posted by: redclay at March 18, 2015 09:24 PM (GM8B7)
459
375 Ban me. Since that seems to be what happens here if you dare to criticize the hosts, here.
Posted by: Df82 at March 18, 2015 08:59 PM (IQSWi)
Who's been banned?
Did I miss something?
I've gone after Maetenloch numerous times for his snobbery about poor people, and ain't been banned. And he wields a heavy hammer.
You mad, bro?
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at March 18, 2015 09:09 PM (yxw0r)
He's lying through his teeth. Just like the turdlicker someguy.
Posted by: Df82 at March 18, 2015 08:59 PM (IQSWi)
Who's been banned?
Did I miss something?
I've gone after Maetenloch numerous times for his snobbery about poor people, and ain't been banned. And he wields a heavy hammer.
You mad, bro?
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at March 18, 2015 09:09 PM (yxw0r)
He's lying through his teeth. Just like the turdlicker someguy.
Posted by: Buzzion at March 18, 2015 09:25 PM (oWDzK)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 09:25 PM (mx5oN)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 09:25 PM (znRvO)
462
Evening, 'rons.
Posted by: DangerGirl, footloose and Party-free at March 18, 2015 09:25 PM (KuU4f)
463
Mama owl seems to have dropped off a form of weasel for the kiddies.
----
I'm impressed she could carry McKay Coppins to the nest. He looks like a fatty.
----
I'm impressed she could carry McKay Coppins to the nest. He looks like a fatty.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 09:26 PM (9BRsg)
464
452 Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 09:23 PM (PaMwv)
Liberals get to get their way on every social issue from here on in....
enforced nation-wide by Judicial fiat b/c well "Marriage equality baby"
so if even in victory we cannot protect innocent life or the ability to have one's own conscience on religious matters what use is winning?
We simply hand the liberal a fuller coffer to do Moloch's bidding when the media paints us as "Tolly-bon" this gun's retired.
Liberals get to get their way on every social issue from here on in....
enforced nation-wide by Judicial fiat b/c well "Marriage equality baby"
so if even in victory we cannot protect innocent life or the ability to have one's own conscience on religious matters what use is winning?
We simply hand the liberal a fuller coffer to do Moloch's bidding when the media paints us as "Tolly-bon" this gun's retired.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:26 PM (/4AZU)
465
Everyone knows, right, that Lincoln quit the Whig party and was partyless for a while, until the Republicans got themselves formed, and he ran on their ticket. One can be an honorable person and be unenthused about a party.
Posted by: Emily at March 18, 2015 09:26 PM (7Rn+/)
466
X - Reagan is better than perry. But perry has become more conservative over the years. One of the few politicians who has. What's wrong with that?
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 09:26 PM (PaMwv)
467
463
Mama owl seems to have dropped off a form of weasel for the kiddies.
----
I'm impressed she could carry McKay Coppins to the nest. He looks like a fatty.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 09:26 PM (9BRsg)
*snerk*
Mama owl seems to have dropped off a form of weasel for the kiddies.
----
I'm impressed she could carry McKay Coppins to the nest. He looks like a fatty.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 09:26 PM (9BRsg)
*snerk*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 09:26 PM (FsuaD)
468
If Reagan rises from the dead then I'll shit my pants.
Posted by: CreamofSomeYoungGuy at March 18, 2015 09:27 PM (Y92Nd)
469
Shorter Ace:
"Hey, dudes and dudettes, you remember back when I said I was no longer a Republican? Like, a couple years ago, when I found a way to write 'this party, of which I am no longer a part' in about every third post? That? Well, THAT AGAIN, BITCHES -- only this time, I'm SUPER-SERIAL!"
And then at the end of the post, you say you lied to people. Okay, dude, seriously -- to hell with you.
The very reason I started coming to this site years ago, reading every word of your super-long posts on a daily basis and loving it, is because I read a couple that were linked somewhere else and thought to myself: "This is a guy who won't lie. I might disagree with him, I might think he's wrong, I might even get pissed off -- but at the end of the day, at least I'll know he believes what he's saying." And hey, while you commanded that trust, you were one of the best reads on the Web.
But now, you don't. Or you shouldn't, anyway. I hope Gabe and Monty start posting somewhere else, so I can read them without coming here.
"Hey, dudes and dudettes, you remember back when I said I was no longer a Republican? Like, a couple years ago, when I found a way to write 'this party, of which I am no longer a part' in about every third post? That? Well, THAT AGAIN, BITCHES -- only this time, I'm SUPER-SERIAL!"
And then at the end of the post, you say you lied to people. Okay, dude, seriously -- to hell with you.
The very reason I started coming to this site years ago, reading every word of your super-long posts on a daily basis and loving it, is because I read a couple that were linked somewhere else and thought to myself: "This is a guy who won't lie. I might disagree with him, I might think he's wrong, I might even get pissed off -- but at the end of the day, at least I'll know he believes what he's saying." And hey, while you commanded that trust, you were one of the best reads on the Web.
But now, you don't. Or you shouldn't, anyway. I hope Gabe and Monty start posting somewhere else, so I can read them without coming here.
Posted by: Demosthenes at March 18, 2015 09:27 PM (kNw9i)
470
If Reagan quits, then I'm outta here. Glenn Beck? Who the fuck is Glenn Beck?
Saw Ron Reagan doing an ad on CNN by the Freedom From Religion Foundation saying the country is being taken over by religious people.
Saw Ron Reagan doing an ad on CNN by the Freedom From Religion Foundation saying the country is being taken over by religious people.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2015 09:27 PM (W5DcG)
471
I also used to think that fiscal issues were obvious winners. Lower taxes, less regulation, less interference. Everybody wants that right? That's simple and understandable enough right? Everybody can understand that while talking over the kitchen table right?
Nope.
Nope.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:27 PM (FBT67)
472
457 Posted by: basicbv at March 18, 2015 09:24 PM (kQ364)
There's nothing wrong with America that five meteor strikes or nature taking its course with Iranian WMDs won't fix...
WHOEVER "inherits" this LAND not our people will have a MIGHTY home....
we allow ours to be squandered.
There's nothing wrong with America that five meteor strikes or nature taking its course with Iranian WMDs won't fix...
WHOEVER "inherits" this LAND not our people will have a MIGHTY home....
we allow ours to be squandered.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:27 PM (/4AZU)
473
Who the fuck is Glenn Beck?
Posted by: someguy at March 18, 2015 09:22 PM (3z91g)
He's a wannabe Walt Disney with the ex-addict's non-ability to control his emotions.
Posted by: someguy at March 18, 2015 09:22 PM (3z91g)
He's a wannabe Walt Disney with the ex-addict's non-ability to control his emotions.
Posted by: Iblis at March 18, 2015 09:27 PM (vPB1q)
474
A new party's platform should be that social issues are to be handled at the state level as per the 10th Amendment. No national positions on social issues!
Eh, I don't agree. There need to be standard-bearers at that level, even if those issues are best legislated within each state.
Eh, I don't agree. There need to be standard-bearers at that level, even if those issues are best legislated within each state.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 09:28 PM (mx5oN)
475
Saw Ron Reagan doing an ad on CNN by the Freedom
From Religion Foundation saying the country is being taken over by
religious people.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2015 09:27 PM (W5DcG)
He really hated his dad, didn't he? What a POS Ron Jr. is.
Saw Ron Reagan doing an ad on CNN by the Freedom
From Religion Foundation saying the country is being taken over by
religious people.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2015 09:27 PM (W5DcG)
He really hated his dad, didn't he? What a POS Ron Jr. is.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 09:28 PM (FsuaD)
476
If Glenn Beck were Ashley Judd, We'd plow him like a bourbon-soaked Kentucky Whorecat at a March Madness fraternity mixer.
Posted by: GOP Establishment at March 18, 2015 09:29 PM (ty633)
477
Sven - if the GOPs top (and only) priority was the protection of the unborn that would be ok with me.
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 09:29 PM (PaMwv)
478
I require breeding stock for the colonization of Mars. All nubile young women report to my basement Launch Platform.
Posted by: Don't Call It Earth 2 at March 18, 2015 09:29 PM (jT+gh)
479
Whole lotta concerned strangers on this thread.
Clearly they live rich, full lives to be hanging around trying to start fights here.
Clearly they live rich, full lives to be hanging around trying to start fights here.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 09:29 PM (9BRsg)
480
also "no national position on social issues" is why we are not allowed to have borders anymore...
see abortion murdered about 35-40 million donkey babies so now they need to import "newer better Americans"
see abortion murdered about 35-40 million donkey babies so now they need to import "newer better Americans"
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:29 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:29 PM (FBT67)
482
You know, if you ink that check to one local councilman, commissioner, aldermen or local office holder, it spends a lot more importantly and you actually get to sit down and talk with that individual when they get away from their foundation.
Posted by: Malcolm Tent at March 18, 2015 09:30 PM (SHU+C)
483
nothing at all wrong with it SH, if you believe it. I think it's more of a pose, a cartoon version of conservatism.
Posted by: X at March 18, 2015 09:30 PM (UqJ2q)
484
LET IT BURN
Posted by: Valiant at March 18, 2015 09:30 PM (4rlxS)
485
471 I also used to think that fiscal issues were obvious winners. Lower taxes, less regulation, less interference. Everybody wants that right? That's simple and understandable enough right? Everybody can understand that while talking over the kitchen table right?
Nope.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:27 PM (FBT67)
No indeed. That means you hate blacks, women, and poor people and want them all working in the salt mines 18 hours a day for scrip and getting raped by their employers during their 5-minute meal break.
Nope.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:27 PM (FBT67)
No indeed. That means you hate blacks, women, and poor people and want them all working in the salt mines 18 hours a day for scrip and getting raped by their employers during their 5-minute meal break.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 09:30 PM (mx5oN)
486
They will not do anything to meaningfully reduce the
scope of government in our lives. The system will still be rife with
waste, fraud and abuse, and they know you disapprove, which is why
they're replacing you with barely literate, unskilled foreign labor who
are used to way more corruption.
This is your last chance. Stay home on election day. Go on tax
strike. Move to another country, if you can. The great experiment is
dead.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 18, 2015 09:22 PM (Y92Nd)
None of those concerns is a Republican hill to die on, today.But someday....
scope of government in our lives. The system will still be rife with
waste, fraud and abuse, and they know you disapprove, which is why
they're replacing you with barely literate, unskilled foreign labor who
are used to way more corruption.
This is your last chance. Stay home on election day. Go on tax
strike. Move to another country, if you can. The great experiment is
dead.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 18, 2015 09:22 PM (Y92Nd)
None of those concerns is a Republican hill to die on, today.But someday....
Posted by: redclay at March 18, 2015 09:30 PM (GM8B7)
487
Eh, I don't agree. There need to be standard-bearers at that level, even if those issues are best legislated within each state.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 09:28 PM (mx5oN)
I agree, how are we going to restore the Black(and at this point the Poor) Family without a national standard bearer? That's a social issue that affects the nation. What about Education? Personally I say get government out completely, but that has to be done nationally as well.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 09:28 PM (mx5oN)
I agree, how are we going to restore the Black(and at this point the Poor) Family without a national standard bearer? That's a social issue that affects the nation. What about Education? Personally I say get government out completely, but that has to be done nationally as well.
Posted by: Iblis at March 18, 2015 09:30 PM (vPB1q)
488
Well, I'm not going to quit. I'm not done.
I'll continue to do what I can to push the Republican party to the right, from within. With the occasional obtuse and obvious comment here, the $50 donation there, and my lonely single vote in primaries and generals. So I doubt anyone will even notice my pushing.
Now Ace, you happen to be sitting in a tow truck, that you put together out of scrap parts, duck tape, rapier wit, real intellect, and wonderful writing.
I'm hoping you take a little breather, and then you fire up that tow truck and start pulling again. And I hope you pull dead-right on the important things -- restoration of the concept of a constitutional republic, and shrinking the tumor that is our ever-expanding federal government.
I don't want to sound melodramatic; no homo. No homo. But we really need you in this effort. I don't think you realize how important and influential you are.
I'll continue to do what I can to push the Republican party to the right, from within. With the occasional obtuse and obvious comment here, the $50 donation there, and my lonely single vote in primaries and generals. So I doubt anyone will even notice my pushing.
Now Ace, you happen to be sitting in a tow truck, that you put together out of scrap parts, duck tape, rapier wit, real intellect, and wonderful writing.
I'm hoping you take a little breather, and then you fire up that tow truck and start pulling again. And I hope you pull dead-right on the important things -- restoration of the concept of a constitutional republic, and shrinking the tumor that is our ever-expanding federal government.
I don't want to sound melodramatic; no homo. No homo. But we really need you in this effort. I don't think you realize how important and influential you are.
Posted by: Pastafarian at March 18, 2015 09:31 PM (pCf+a)
489
getting raped by their employers during their 5-minute meal break.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 09:30 PM (mx5oN)
5 minutes, my goodness they are doing it wrong.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 09:30 PM (mx5oN)
5 minutes, my goodness they are doing it wrong.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 18, 2015 09:31 PM (WNERA)
490
477 Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 09:29 PM (PaMwv)
It all comes back to demographics doesn't it?
You have to love the "we NEED 50% newer better Americans over a 50 year span b/c by golly YOUNG and vibrant"....
uh yeah if Kermit Gosnell were not the Captain America of the left we might not be "short" 75 million people...
It all comes back to demographics doesn't it?
You have to love the "we NEED 50% newer better Americans over a 50 year span b/c by golly YOUNG and vibrant"....
uh yeah if Kermit Gosnell were not the Captain America of the left we might not be "short" 75 million people...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:31 PM (/4AZU)
491
"Now, to paraphrase Reagan, the Republican Party has left me."
What exactly made Reagan a virgin in the whorehouse? I don't get the love for the guy who ran up deficits and shrank little of the government, and it seemed silly how the GOP would wave his corpse around like a flag.
What exactly made Reagan a virgin in the whorehouse? I don't get the love for the guy who ran up deficits and shrank little of the government, and it seemed silly how the GOP would wave his corpse around like a flag.
Posted by: Shoot Me at March 18, 2015 09:31 PM (EQcfE)
492
477 Sven - if the GOPs top (and only) priority was the protection of the unborn that would be ok with me.
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 09:29 PM (PaMwv)
That is a litmus test for me. How you view the most defenseless of human life tells me a lot about a person.
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 09:29 PM (PaMwv)
That is a litmus test for me. How you view the most defenseless of human life tells me a lot about a person.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 09:31 PM (mx5oN)
493
Well, I'm off to find something mildly interesting to watch on TeeVee. Or read a book. Something.
'Night.
'Night.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 18, 2015 09:31 PM (FsuaD)
494
Fuck yeah, Ace. You are speaking for hundreds of thousands.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 18, 2015 09:32 PM (qo8gP)
495
It all comes back to demographics doesn't it?
*********
Makers vs Takers.
They've got 52%. They win.
*********
Makers vs Takers.
They've got 52%. They win.
Posted by: Warden at March 18, 2015 09:32 PM (wHAYQ)
496
"No indeed. That means you hate blacks, women, and poor people and want
them all working in the salt mines 18 hours a day for scrip and getting
raped by their employers during their 5-minute meal break."
IXNAY on the ownlowday.
them all working in the salt mines 18 hours a day for scrip and getting
raped by their employers during their 5-minute meal break."
IXNAY on the ownlowday.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:32 PM (FBT67)
497
478 I require breeding stock for the colonization of Mars. All nubile young women report to my basement Launch Platform.
Posted by: Don't Call It Earth 2 at March 18, 2015 09:29 PM (jT+gh)
Yeah, I said the other day that Mars colonization is taking on a sudden urgency.
Related:
https://tinyurl.com/lzars95
Posted by: Don't Call It Earth 2 at March 18, 2015 09:29 PM (jT+gh)
Yeah, I said the other day that Mars colonization is taking on a sudden urgency.
Related:
https://tinyurl.com/lzars95
Posted by: rickl at March 18, 2015 09:33 PM (sdi6R)
498
*Hands big stick with spikes on it*
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:29 PM (FBT67)
Nice. Thank you, RK. I could use this on a day like today.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:29 PM (FBT67)
Nice. Thank you, RK. I could use this on a day like today.
Posted by: DangerGirl, footloose and Party-free at March 18, 2015 09:33 PM (KuU4f)
499
With the ACA, I can say with some understanding and background that the insurers knew 2 things.
1. Insurers knew that they necessarily had to be the boogie men here politically. They could make a 3-4% profit margin, but the country is filled with economic illiterates. The government could talk about the sheer dollar number on the profit line, ignore the thin margin, and trust that the voters would come to the conclusion that insurers were rich fat cats exploiting the sick rather than the correct conclusion. That being that if a business is making that amount of profit on that thin of margin, then this was an industry that must be highly complicated, and way beyond our idiot governments capacity to manage well.
Connected to that last sentence
2. Insurers knew that the government was biting off way, way more than they can chew. They know when you combine ignorance and arrogance in a leader, you have major incompetence. They knew what America signed up for, and they knew there would be a great opportunity for themselves. They got the coercion of those that refused to pay for their product, and then they couldn't put up a website or incorporate a system, and the got all the leverage on the terms of negotiation when it came time to protect the governments failed system and their need to save face.
Look at the insurers stock prices in the last couple years.
1. Insurers knew that they necessarily had to be the boogie men here politically. They could make a 3-4% profit margin, but the country is filled with economic illiterates. The government could talk about the sheer dollar number on the profit line, ignore the thin margin, and trust that the voters would come to the conclusion that insurers were rich fat cats exploiting the sick rather than the correct conclusion. That being that if a business is making that amount of profit on that thin of margin, then this was an industry that must be highly complicated, and way beyond our idiot governments capacity to manage well.
Connected to that last sentence
2. Insurers knew that the government was biting off way, way more than they can chew. They know when you combine ignorance and arrogance in a leader, you have major incompetence. They knew what America signed up for, and they knew there would be a great opportunity for themselves. They got the coercion of those that refused to pay for their product, and then they couldn't put up a website or incorporate a system, and the got all the leverage on the terms of negotiation when it came time to protect the governments failed system and their need to save face.
Look at the insurers stock prices in the last couple years.
Posted by: Dave S. at March 18, 2015 09:33 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 18, 2015 09:33 PM (Q/1Jp)
501
"If you walk all over the people, they will stab your feet and make you bleed"
And hopefully Pres. Hillary (and speaker Pelosi) do just that to the GOP.
And hopefully Pres. Hillary (and speaker Pelosi) do just that to the GOP.
Posted by: trump at March 18, 2015 09:33 PM (mctSY)
502
It starts with the media. We can't do a government shutdown and so we have no leverage.
Honestly, ace, I think the GOPe hates Obamacare too and would prefer to repeal it. They saw the shutdown, know there's no way to repeal it and have given up. Their donations are protection money. They're buying exceptions from horrible laws.
Obamacare is not like amnesty. They really want that.
Honestly, ace, I think the GOPe hates Obamacare too and would prefer to repeal it. They saw the shutdown, know there's no way to repeal it and have given up. Their donations are protection money. They're buying exceptions from horrible laws.
Obamacare is not like amnesty. They really want that.
Posted by: AmishDude at March 18, 2015 09:34 PM (PSNxx)
503
Well, looks like I stepped into something I'm not interested in today. Y'all enjoy your infighting.
Posted by: DangerGirl, footloose and Party-free at March 18, 2015 09:34 PM (KuU4f)
504
What is truly humorous about this post is that not to long ago Ace was bashing Tea Party candidates like Akin, Angle and O'Donnell and bemoaning how their hard-line extremist views just couldn't win instead of getting behind them and helping push them across the finish line.
Now he is mad that he got the soft, squishy electables he wanted.
Now he is mad that he got the soft, squishy electables he wanted.
Posted by: Malcolm Tent at March 18, 2015 09:34 PM (SHU+C)
505
Google supports 2040. The year when whites become a minority. Seems to be something they want to happen cause white people are so fucking evil or worse.
When they rewrite history, you will know the future.
When they rewrite history, you will know the future.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 18, 2015 09:34 PM (WNERA)
506
N
Posted by: B at March 18, 2015 09:34 PM (dkHoZ)
507
"Carter has said repeatedly that he respects law enforcement and trusts officials to investigate the shooting fairly and thoroughly. But he is angry that Robinson was shot by a police officer instead of treated by a medic. "In society, don't we want our children to be able to call for help when a situation has gone wrong?" he asks."
So, the guy shot in Madison was high on mushrooms. One, he was not a kid. He was 19 and huge and attacked a cop causing him to fear for his life. Two, whether high on drugs or nuts makes you no less dangerous to others including LEO. He's an idea -- you handle him. He was also on prob for armed robbery and he's doing drugs???
So, the guy shot in Madison was high on mushrooms. One, he was not a kid. He was 19 and huge and attacked a cop causing him to fear for his life. Two, whether high on drugs or nuts makes you no less dangerous to others including LEO. He's an idea -- you handle him. He was also on prob for armed robbery and he's doing drugs???
Posted by: Sparky at March 18, 2015 09:35 PM (iQIUe)
508
503 Well, looks like I stepped into something I'm not interested in today. Y'all enjoy your infighting.
Posted by: DangerGirl, footloose and Party-free at March 18, 2015 09:34 PM (KuU4f)
You think THIS is infighting? Jesus, you should have seen us earlier!
Posted by: DangerGirl, footloose and Party-free at March 18, 2015 09:34 PM (KuU4f)
You think THIS is infighting? Jesus, you should have seen us earlier!
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 09:35 PM (mx5oN)
509
>>Whoever has the Concern Trolling Concession, well, it was money well spent
Indeed. Also the "carrying old grudges for some overly emotional blogger I used to read" concession. ROTFLMAO at that.
Indeed. Also the "carrying old grudges for some overly emotional blogger I used to read" concession. ROTFLMAO at that.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 09:35 PM (9BRsg)
510
503 Posted by: DangerGirl, footloose and Party-free at March 18, 2015 09:34 PM (KuU4f)
What infighting?
I am to the "I do not give a damn anymore go ahead and nominate Khrispy Khreme if you want" phase DG....
The GOP is yours love.
What infighting?
I am to the "I do not give a damn anymore go ahead and nominate Khrispy Khreme if you want" phase DG....
The GOP is yours love.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:35 PM (/4AZU)
511
498
Nice. Thank you, RK. I could use this on a day like today.
Posted by: DangerGirl, footloose and Party-free at March 18, 2015 09:33 PM (KuU4f)
I remember your comments from last night. My condolences, DG.
Nice. Thank you, RK. I could use this on a day like today.
Posted by: DangerGirl, footloose and Party-free at March 18, 2015 09:33 PM (KuU4f)
I remember your comments from last night. My condolences, DG.
Posted by: rickl at March 18, 2015 09:36 PM (sdi6R)
512
X- I get that to some extent. But I also live by Milton friedmans principle of you have to incentivize politicians to vote your way.
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 09:36 PM (+LunL)
513
Ace jumps the Shark.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at March 18, 2015 09:36 PM (dkHoZ)
514
The political blue screen of death is on the screen. No amount of banging on the keyboard will get us back to the program we knew as kids. It sucks but reboot is the only option. And even that may be too late and we will have to live with an Apple.
Posted by: Robinson at March 18, 2015 09:36 PM (W2Cji)
515
The GOP has its own set of goals.
Everyday more and more folks learn those goals are not what they expected to see.
Stop being afraid of Democrats.
Vote for the person you want.
Everyday more and more folks learn those goals are not what they expected to see.
Stop being afraid of Democrats.
Vote for the person you want.
Posted by: eman at March 18, 2015 09:36 PM (MQEz6)
516
What is truly humorous about this post is that not to long ago Ace was bashing Tea Party candidates like Akin,
Posted by: Malcolm Tent
Akin wasn't the TEA candidate. Akin had been a state GOP legislator in good standing.
Get your facts straight.
Posted by: Malcolm Tent
Akin wasn't the TEA candidate. Akin had been a state GOP legislator in good standing.
Get your facts straight.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 18, 2015 09:36 PM (Q/1Jp)
517
Ace, I'm not sure if you are being a Pollyanna or a nihilist.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 18, 2015 09:36 PM (0Ew3K)
518
508 Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 09:35 PM (mx5oN)
I've been sitting it out...
I even refrained from saying hi to Gabe....
I have been house hunting and watching NXT on WWE Network however....
it's kind of refreshing it is get this a wrestling show.
I've been sitting it out...
I even refrained from saying hi to Gabe....
I have been house hunting and watching NXT on WWE Network however....
it's kind of refreshing it is get this a wrestling show.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:37 PM (/4AZU)
519
"Eh I'm of the position that the GOP's top priority should be making abortion illegal."
I watched the socon bloc in the CA GOP consistently push abortion restrictions in defiance of the strongly adverse statewide polling, and watched a bunch of previously highly reliable fiscal conservatives (some of them related to me) stop voting Republican as a result, and watched the statewide party become completely marginalized and powerless.
But by gum, the socons to this day congratulate themselves on sticking firmly to their principles! Principles which the Democrats in power routinely and contemptuously trample in the mud, mind you.
I watched the socon bloc in the CA GOP consistently push abortion restrictions in defiance of the strongly adverse statewide polling, and watched a bunch of previously highly reliable fiscal conservatives (some of them related to me) stop voting Republican as a result, and watched the statewide party become completely marginalized and powerless.
But by gum, the socons to this day congratulate themselves on sticking firmly to their principles! Principles which the Democrats in power routinely and contemptuously trample in the mud, mind you.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 18, 2015 09:37 PM (noWW6)
520
Ace, you need a hug so... long distance hug.
You also need a kick in the ass but I don't know you like that.
Yes it sucks that we did not get rid of Boehner in January and that the Dems say they will keep him in power so we are likely stuck with him until the next session. It sucks that most Representatives and nearly ALL of the senators are big old selly sell outs. But we are making progress. We have a few of dozen reliable conservatives in the House now that we didn't have 4 years ago and the tide is slowly turning. We did not lose all the races we tried for last year... we did not win them all but we did not lose them all either. In 2016, We can build on our successes thus far and readjust where conservative backed candidates are turning out to be not so conservative Reps (Mia Love comes to mind here).
I am hoping that the Supremes will still (reluctantly) gut Obamacare by disallowing subsidies in states that do not have exchanges (thus exempting businesses and individuals in those states from paying taxes that only kick in when subsidies are available). When that happens we need to not be sad-faced giver-uppers. We need to be happy warriors. We need to march on Washington and let our reps know that they will be held responsible for anything they vote on that in any way *fixes* Ocare. We need to let them know that we will only accept free market reforms (see Cruz's plan). You are probably right that they will not outright repeal Ocare but faced with an already gutted program, they will have to do something. It behooves us to make sure that something is not socialistic and a boondoggle. They especially will need to know that we expect them to do absolutely NOTHING that the Dems want them to do. We need to let them know, in the face of filibusters and veto threats, that no deal is better than a bad deal.
Then at the start of the new session, we need to make sure that Boehner does not get the speakership again. This absolutely needs to happen because the House is absolutely our only hope of holding the line and that is not going to happen with Boehner in charge.
Next election we need to build on our successes, slim as they seem to be so far. And bonus if we can retire Boehner altogether in 2016 (I know I will be working for whatever conservative will primary his ass). I am not quite ready to give up on taking over the Republican party to do this but if necessary, I am willing to consider third party voting, too:-)
None of that will happen if we get discouraged. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. You lose 100% of the battles that you choose not to fight... an especially repugnant situation when you are pitching a temper tantrum like a toddler instead of fighting the battles that are necessary.
You also need a kick in the ass but I don't know you like that.
Yes it sucks that we did not get rid of Boehner in January and that the Dems say they will keep him in power so we are likely stuck with him until the next session. It sucks that most Representatives and nearly ALL of the senators are big old selly sell outs. But we are making progress. We have a few of dozen reliable conservatives in the House now that we didn't have 4 years ago and the tide is slowly turning. We did not lose all the races we tried for last year... we did not win them all but we did not lose them all either. In 2016, We can build on our successes thus far and readjust where conservative backed candidates are turning out to be not so conservative Reps (Mia Love comes to mind here).
I am hoping that the Supremes will still (reluctantly) gut Obamacare by disallowing subsidies in states that do not have exchanges (thus exempting businesses and individuals in those states from paying taxes that only kick in when subsidies are available). When that happens we need to not be sad-faced giver-uppers. We need to be happy warriors. We need to march on Washington and let our reps know that they will be held responsible for anything they vote on that in any way *fixes* Ocare. We need to let them know that we will only accept free market reforms (see Cruz's plan). You are probably right that they will not outright repeal Ocare but faced with an already gutted program, they will have to do something. It behooves us to make sure that something is not socialistic and a boondoggle. They especially will need to know that we expect them to do absolutely NOTHING that the Dems want them to do. We need to let them know, in the face of filibusters and veto threats, that no deal is better than a bad deal.
Then at the start of the new session, we need to make sure that Boehner does not get the speakership again. This absolutely needs to happen because the House is absolutely our only hope of holding the line and that is not going to happen with Boehner in charge.
Next election we need to build on our successes, slim as they seem to be so far. And bonus if we can retire Boehner altogether in 2016 (I know I will be working for whatever conservative will primary his ass). I am not quite ready to give up on taking over the Republican party to do this but if necessary, I am willing to consider third party voting, too:-)
None of that will happen if we get discouraged. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. You lose 100% of the battles that you choose not to fight... an especially repugnant situation when you are pitching a temper tantrum like a toddler instead of fighting the battles that are necessary.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 18, 2015 09:37 PM (5DGKy)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 09:37 PM (mx5oN)
522
I can already feel the quatloos jingling in my pocket.
Posted by: Horatius at March 18, 2015 09:37 PM (UKhBB)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:37 PM (FBT67)
524
I agree fully with what Ace wrote, but I'm wondering about Beck, since I don't listen to him anymore. Just what made him swear off the GOP? Wasn't he handing teddy bears to the little dreamer kiddies crossing the border not too long ago?
Also, someone said above that the GOP caved on amnesty because they are afraid of being called racist. Well, they're certainly afraid of that, but the major reason is cheap labor. The Chamber of Commerce wants it. And you know the Manhattan apartments of the WSJ editorial staff are not going to clean themselves. Juanita, you missed a spot.
Also, someone said above that the GOP caved on amnesty because they are afraid of being called racist. Well, they're certainly afraid of that, but the major reason is cheap labor. The Chamber of Commerce wants it. And you know the Manhattan apartments of the WSJ editorial staff are not going to clean themselves. Juanita, you missed a spot.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at March 18, 2015 09:38 PM (+XMAD)
525
So I was going to do Saturday's thread on Gun Rights, but I'm starting to think a Revenge Thread might be in order.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 09:38 PM (9BRsg)
526
511 Posted by: rickl at March 18, 2015 09:36 PM (sdi6R)
I likely missed Danger Girl's expression of matters.
DG I wish you no ill will and if you're in pain or need succor I offer my sincerest best wishes for your personal success or easing of any grief you feel.
I likely missed Danger Girl's expression of matters.
DG I wish you no ill will and if you're in pain or need succor I offer my sincerest best wishes for your personal success or easing of any grief you feel.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:38 PM (/4AZU)
527
You think THIS is infighting? Jesus, you should have seen us earlier!
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 09:35 PM (mx5oN)
Yeah, I saw the first two, skipped the third. Wasn't in the mood.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 09:35 PM (mx5oN)
Yeah, I saw the first two, skipped the third. Wasn't in the mood.
Posted by: DangerGirl, footloose and Party-free at March 18, 2015 09:38 PM (KuU4f)
528
One might think, after reading through the comments, that our friendly neighborhood Ewok's missive may have struck a nerve or two.
Bravo, Ace, bravo.
Bravo, Ace, bravo.
Posted by: filbert at March 18, 2015 09:39 PM (h6Mpm)
529
Makers vs Takers.
They've got 52%. They win.
Posted by: Warden at March 18, 2015 09:32 PM (wHAYQ)
===========
All people want to produce. some produce wealth, others happiness, and others destruction.idle hands are the devil's workshop. the 52% will produce enough destruction that they will be their own undoing. in timeWhy is it that these social justice ideas that are so in vogue now have managed to go for thousands of years without producing a viable society? do you think they will now?
No. we must become as monks and preserve the knowledge for the rebuilding.
They've got 52%. They win.
Posted by: Warden at March 18, 2015 09:32 PM (wHAYQ)
===========
All people want to produce. some produce wealth, others happiness, and others destruction.idle hands are the devil's workshop. the 52% will produce enough destruction that they will be their own undoing. in timeWhy is it that these social justice ideas that are so in vogue now have managed to go for thousands of years without producing a viable society? do you think they will now?
No. we must become as monks and preserve the knowledge for the rebuilding.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at March 18, 2015 09:39 PM (LWu6U)
530
The bash on Reagan running up the deficit. I was an adult back in those days and was paying attention. I do not recall any candidate that was to the right of Reagan. I know from living it, that he was the BEST man for the time.
Please, name the candidate you'd have preferred to Reagan. Name the man that would have governed more fiscally responsible. Good god. enough. It's like folks don't remember what happened in the 20 years before Reagan was elected, nor the Democrat machine in the House and Senate that he had to conform to.
Deals got made. Money got spent. Hands got greased. They made Reagan pay to play and he was resolute enough about the shit that mattered that he paid. And we're better for it.
Please, name the candidate you'd have preferred to Reagan. Name the man that would have governed more fiscally responsible. Good god. enough. It's like folks don't remember what happened in the 20 years before Reagan was elected, nor the Democrat machine in the House and Senate that he had to conform to.
Deals got made. Money got spent. Hands got greased. They made Reagan pay to play and he was resolute enough about the shit that mattered that he paid. And we're better for it.
Posted by: Yip at March 18, 2015 09:39 PM (84SRe)
Posted by: chedolf at March 18, 2015 09:39 PM (AKMNq)
532
Yes, DG, I guess I missed something last night as well.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:40 PM (FBT67)
533
I agree about the GOP. Oddly, still not without hope. Events have a way of intervening. We do not know the future.
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 18, 2015 09:40 PM (zOTsN)
534
525 So I was going to do Saturday's thread on Gun Rights, but I'm starting to think a Revenge Thread might be in order.
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 09:38 PM (9BRsg)
Yeah, but are we talkin Tee-peeing the house kinda revenge, or 300 kick the messenger down the well revenge?
Posted by: McY-not at March 18, 2015 09:38 PM (9BRsg)
Yeah, but are we talkin Tee-peeing the house kinda revenge, or 300 kick the messenger down the well revenge?
Posted by: Iblis at March 18, 2015 09:40 PM (vPB1q)
535
"Now he is mad that he got the soft, squishy electables he wanted."
Isn't there some kind of folksy saying about getting what you wish? I need my memory refreshed.
Isn't there some kind of folksy saying about getting what you wish? I need my memory refreshed.
Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 18, 2015 09:40 PM (6yehy)
536
So I was going to do Saturday's thread on Gun Rights, but I'm starting to think a Revenge Thread might be in order.
Posted by: McY-not
"I Saw The Devil" is a good revenge movie if you need an inspiration and don't mind subtitles. On Netflix, good & violent.
Posted by: McY-not
"I Saw The Devil" is a good revenge movie if you need an inspiration and don't mind subtitles. On Netflix, good & violent.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at March 18, 2015 09:40 PM (GuwT9)
537
505 Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 18, 2015 09:34 PM (WNERA)
I support beating Google with a hammer.
A lot like facebook would look better with black eyes.
I support beating Google with a hammer.
A lot like facebook would look better with black eyes.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:40 PM (/4AZU)
538
So many fools are here.
Fools who think the GOP is actually ready to thwart the Democrats, to reverse what they have done, and to return even some small fraction of our freedom.
The GOP wants none of those things.
They just want you to think they do.
Fools who think the GOP is actually ready to thwart the Democrats, to reverse what they have done, and to return even some small fraction of our freedom.
The GOP wants none of those things.
They just want you to think they do.
Posted by: eman at March 18, 2015 09:41 PM (MQEz6)
539
Mackay Coppins and Donald Trump got into a dustup a while ago. I'd met one of the people involved a few years before the incident, neither Coppins nor Trump, and I thought Coppins was set up.
Not that I had any sympathy for anyone who gets played by Donald Trump.
Not that I had any sympathy for anyone who gets played by Donald Trump.
Posted by: Oschisms at March 18, 2015 09:41 PM (ZsN9X)
540
"Mostly, I've moved to the fanfic story I'm doing in Skyrim. Unlike the real world, where I am nothing, my character Yssha can make a major difference. "
Yay, computers! That's where I'm a Viking!
Yay, computers! That's where I'm a Viking!
Posted by: SparcVark at March 18, 2015 09:41 PM (YLLI8)
541
I think we're seeing some Paulbots in diapers making those Reagan comments, Yip.
Posted by: Y-not, oldster at March 18, 2015 09:41 PM (9BRsg)
542
I remember your comments from last night. My condolences, DG.
Posted by: rickl at March 18, 2015 09:36 PM (sdi6R)
Thank you. I know it was for the best, but it still wasn't easy. It's the "price" we pay for taking on the responsibility of a pet, but this pain is worth every second of joy they bring.
Posted by: rickl at March 18, 2015 09:36 PM (sdi6R)
Thank you. I know it was for the best, but it still wasn't easy. It's the "price" we pay for taking on the responsibility of a pet, but this pain is worth every second of joy they bring.
Posted by: DangerGirl, footloose and Party-free at March 18, 2015 09:41 PM (KuU4f)
543
Isn't there some kind of folksy saying about getting what you wish? I need my memory refreshed.
Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 18, 2015 09:40 PM (6yehy)
I think its: "you get the government you deserve"
Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 18, 2015 09:40 PM (6yehy)
I think its: "you get the government you deserve"
Posted by: Iblis at March 18, 2015 09:41 PM (vPB1q)
544
I hate to say it (not really) that the republican wipeout in 2014 would actually destroy the party once people could see that they stand for nothing. Im done as well. Adios.
Posted by: Daninmichigan at March 18, 2015 09:41 PM (2yD4G)
545
Torque - we live in different states. I saw the dems run someone who prbly supported aborting a 20 month old child and get destroyed. Regardless it is a non negotiable position for me. Besides I trust pro lifers more on fiscal issues than non pro lifers
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 09:42 PM (+LunL)
546
i think I'll wait for ont. This is frivolous.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 18, 2015 09:42 PM (ucDmr)
547
Obamacare is like any entitlement. You have to be mean and take it from any sob story example (sick kids with cancer, single young women who were raped, two people who love each other but both have cocks!!!) You're a hater and a cheapskate, which is no way to win elections. So, go with the cool kids with powerful lobbyists and whores in the media.
The difference between the GOPe and us is the noblesse oblige. They actually feel as if they're responsible for the "poor". They just don't use their own money.
The difference between the GOPe and us is the noblesse oblige. They actually feel as if they're responsible for the "poor". They just don't use their own money.
Posted by: AmishDude at March 18, 2015 09:43 PM (PSNxx)
548
Oh, DangerGirl, I am so sorry for your loss.
Posted by: Y-not at March 18, 2015 09:43 PM (9BRsg)
549
546 i think I'll wait for ont. This is frivolous.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 18, 2015 09:42 PM (ucDmr)
Nothing posted here will change anything, but it is fun.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 18, 2015 09:42 PM (ucDmr)
Nothing posted here will change anything, but it is fun.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 18, 2015 09:44 PM (WNERA)
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at March 18, 2015 09:44 PM (yxw0r)
551
Posted by: redbanzai at March 18, 2015 09:37 PM (5DGKy
Whatever you are drinking, snorting, smoking or shooting up, pass it around. Don't bogart that enthusiasm
Whatever you are drinking, snorting, smoking or shooting up, pass it around. Don't bogart that enthusiasm
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 09:44 PM (znRvO)
Posted by: Yip at March 18, 2015 09:44 PM (84SRe)
Posted by: R Quaid at March 18, 2015 09:44 PM (FBT67)
554
i think I'll wait for ont. This is frivolous.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo
It's not frivolous. It's an important discussion that should have been had in Dec. 2008.
That the GOP coalition held off in having it is the ridiculous part.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo
It's not frivolous. It's an important discussion that should have been had in Dec. 2008.
That the GOP coalition held off in having it is the ridiculous part.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 18, 2015 09:44 PM (Q/1Jp)
555
Wasn't he handing teddy bears to the little dreamer kiddies crossing the border not too long ago?
Also, someone said above that the GOP caved on amnesty because they
are afraid of being called racist. Well, they're certainly afraid of
that, but the major reason is cheap labor. The Chamber of Commerce
wants it. And you know the Manhattan apartments of the WSJ editorial
staff are not going to clean themselves. Juanita, you missed a spot.
Yes, Beck was greeting the border chillins with pedo plushies. But it's been so long since I've kept track (he used to be a funny radio personality that leaned heavily conservative) I gots no ideer.
Ace was all "let's vote to raise the minimum wage" a week or two ago when he was on the fence and ready to jump. Screw the restaurant industry, which is one of the GOPe's favorite squeezes. I'm totally for that. And, not eating out anyway. I have no problem doing my own personal boycotts.
It's just too bad that the other 85% of the country has no idea, and it's pretty much as clear cut as a ball game to them.
I'm itching for the RNC to call me - I've seen their slime trails on the phone log, they seem to call when they know I'm not here. How do you get money that way?
Also, someone said above that the GOP caved on amnesty because they
are afraid of being called racist. Well, they're certainly afraid of
that, but the major reason is cheap labor. The Chamber of Commerce
wants it. And you know the Manhattan apartments of the WSJ editorial
staff are not going to clean themselves. Juanita, you missed a spot.
Yes, Beck was greeting the border chillins with pedo plushies. But it's been so long since I've kept track (he used to be a funny radio personality that leaned heavily conservative) I gots no ideer.
Ace was all "let's vote to raise the minimum wage" a week or two ago when he was on the fence and ready to jump. Screw the restaurant industry, which is one of the GOPe's favorite squeezes. I'm totally for that. And, not eating out anyway. I have no problem doing my own personal boycotts.
It's just too bad that the other 85% of the country has no idea, and it's pretty much as clear cut as a ball game to them.
I'm itching for the RNC to call me - I've seen their slime trails on the phone log, they seem to call when they know I'm not here. How do you get money that way?
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 18, 2015 09:44 PM (sH832)
556
"We can't do a government shutdown and so we have no leverage."
Yes, we can. We just don't have the balls to show it's meaningless. But one day, we will learn regardless.
Yes, we can. We just don't have the balls to show it's meaningless. But one day, we will learn regardless.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 18, 2015 09:44 PM (Y92Nd)
557
517 Ace, I'm not sure if you are being a Pollyanna or a nihilist.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 18, 2015 09:36 PM (0Ew3K)
Pollyanna? I'm not sure how you got that idea. If that post was Pollyannaish, Sylvia Plath was a barrel of laughs.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 18, 2015 09:36 PM (0Ew3K)
Pollyanna? I'm not sure how you got that idea. If that post was Pollyannaish, Sylvia Plath was a barrel of laughs.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at March 18, 2015 09:45 PM (+XMAD)
558
What I don't understand is the idea that quitting the GOP means anything.
They're liars and losers. Most of us already knew that and found some of the lies being peddled obnoxious.
That isn't worth anything though. Is there a game plan here? Is there any notion being put forth to do better?
Or is it all just soft ass ennui?
This is what I mean when I say that if we're being honest we should be honest. Yes, the GOP is not a worthwhile political vehicle for serious people. Jerking off into a dirty sock and then eating some Chinese left-overs isn't exactly heroic either.
They're liars and losers. Most of us already knew that and found some of the lies being peddled obnoxious.
That isn't worth anything though. Is there a game plan here? Is there any notion being put forth to do better?
Or is it all just soft ass ennui?
This is what I mean when I say that if we're being honest we should be honest. Yes, the GOP is not a worthwhile political vehicle for serious people. Jerking off into a dirty sock and then eating some Chinese left-overs isn't exactly heroic either.
Posted by: basicbv at March 18, 2015 09:45 PM (kQ364)
559
I'm sorry for the loss of your pet DangerGirl...
God and our ancestors have blessed us with animal companions, the price we pay for the pet's aid and solace is the risk of a part of our soul when the inevitable happens.
Rest easy your pet is I am certain.(all pets go to heaven)
God and our ancestors have blessed us with animal companions, the price we pay for the pet's aid and solace is the risk of a part of our soul when the inevitable happens.
Rest easy your pet is I am certain.(all pets go to heaven)
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:46 PM (/4AZU)
560
eman, do you think you look tough?
Posted by: Shoot Me at March 18, 2015 09:46 PM (EQcfE)
Posted by: Jack Aubrey at March 18, 2015 09:46 PM (8CdUx)
562
Marriage redefinition is such a third rail, not a single major national candidate has ever run on support for it, until the spectacularly crude and cynical "evolution" of the current catastrophe in the Oval Office in his last campaign. And there's that 35-2 or something state-level scoreboard in which marriage redefinition has lost.
Yep, third rail you got there.
Ya know, I'm thinking amnesty is also a third rail. I mean, with only about 70% of the country opposing it, much of that vehemently, you'd be crazy to, you know, actually oppose it, and (my gawd) campaign against it and force your opponents to take stands on it at every opportunity.
Oh - and "temper tantrum" normally denotes a low-IQ or low-information analysis from someone with no Beltway experience or understanding of policy or political mechanics.
Yep, third rail you got there.
Ya know, I'm thinking amnesty is also a third rail. I mean, with only about 70% of the country opposing it, much of that vehemently, you'd be crazy to, you know, actually oppose it, and (my gawd) campaign against it and force your opponents to take stands on it at every opportunity.
Oh - and "temper tantrum" normally denotes a low-IQ or low-information analysis from someone with no Beltway experience or understanding of policy or political mechanics.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2015 09:46 PM (afQnV)
563
I'll take makers. We are talking about bourbon, right?
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 09:46 PM (+LunL)
564
550 Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at March 18, 2015 09:44 PM (yxw0r)
the proper response to the challenge phrase is "the dolphin is in the jacuzzi"
the proper response to the challenge phrase is "the dolphin is in the jacuzzi"
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:46 PM (/4AZU)
565
62
>>.Ace - What do you think of this in terms of what you do here?
Does this realization motivate you to write more, or less?
well it's very tricky because this is my income, isn't it? And people are expecting political posts, aren't they?
So my actual belief cannot be translated perfectly into action on the blog itself.
what I imagine i'll do is what i've been doing for a while: I will
cover the major stories, without really giving a fuck, then write posts i
care more about, either more philosophical or funny or completely
removed from politics, and hope that enough people keep reading so that I
don't have to get A Real Job.
--
You mean like all of those people we elected to go to DC, right? Because "that's their income, isn't it?" and they have to keep it up so they "don't have to get A Real Job".
You're better than this ace. I get being tired of being bent over 9 ways, but giving up isn't the answer. Moving to Haiti isn't the answer either. Taking out the RINOs is the answer. Get them out of their seats, starting with Boner himself.
>>.Ace - What do you think of this in terms of what you do here?
Does this realization motivate you to write more, or less?
well it's very tricky because this is my income, isn't it? And people are expecting political posts, aren't they?
So my actual belief cannot be translated perfectly into action on the blog itself.
what I imagine i'll do is what i've been doing for a while: I will
cover the major stories, without really giving a fuck, then write posts i
care more about, either more philosophical or funny or completely
removed from politics, and hope that enough people keep reading so that I
don't have to get A Real Job.
--
You mean like all of those people we elected to go to DC, right? Because "that's their income, isn't it?" and they have to keep it up so they "don't have to get A Real Job".
You're better than this ace. I get being tired of being bent over 9 ways, but giving up isn't the answer. Moving to Haiti isn't the answer either. Taking out the RINOs is the answer. Get them out of their seats, starting with Boner himself.
Posted by: captslaq at March 18, 2015 09:46 PM (vREfp)
566
I know it was for the best, but it still wasn't
easy. It's the "price" we pay for taking on the responsibility of a pet,
but this pain is worth every second of joy they bring.
Posted by: DangerGirl, footloose and Party-free at March 18, 2015 09:41 PM (KuU4f)
That's why I'm still pet-less 11 years after Elvis the Cat died. Can't do that again.
Sorry for your pain.
easy. It's the "price" we pay for taking on the responsibility of a pet,
but this pain is worth every second of joy they bring.
Posted by: DangerGirl, footloose and Party-free at March 18, 2015 09:41 PM (KuU4f)
That's why I'm still pet-less 11 years after Elvis the Cat died. Can't do that again.
Sorry for your pain.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at March 18, 2015 09:46 PM (yxw0r)
Posted by: phoenixgirl GOP fuck you & your #'s at March 18, 2015 09:47 PM (u8GsB)
568
Actually, "we" should have had this discussion before nominating Herbert Walker Bush.
There was a lot of unattended compromises with the left on the table like the '86 amnesty. The '88 nomination should have been one that squared those away.
It wasn't and here. we. are.
There was a lot of unattended compromises with the left on the table like the '86 amnesty. The '88 nomination should have been one that squared those away.
It wasn't and here. we. are.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 18, 2015 09:47 PM (Q/1Jp)
569
"Nothing posted here will change anything, but it is fun."
Will the ONT be any different? Just people blowing off steam anyway. When you get right down to it, every thread is an open thread. Adherence to the topic remains largely, optional.
Will the ONT be any different? Just people blowing off steam anyway. When you get right down to it, every thread is an open thread. Adherence to the topic remains largely, optional.
Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 18, 2015 09:47 PM (6yehy)
570
Some people think the politicians are the generals and we're the footsoldiers.
Some people think we're the generals and the politicians are the army.
The permanent bureaucracy and fundraisers are the generals, the politicians are the army, and we're the supply chain.
Seriously, if you've worked with politicians you know the bureaucrats and lobbyists lead them around by the short hairs, sometimes as a team. It's not even really that secret.
That's why The Long March happened, the left realized who actually runs the show.
Most people will never realize that, even if they're screaming about agencies or lobbyists.
Some people think we're the generals and the politicians are the army.
The permanent bureaucracy and fundraisers are the generals, the politicians are the army, and we're the supply chain.
Seriously, if you've worked with politicians you know the bureaucrats and lobbyists lead them around by the short hairs, sometimes as a team. It's not even really that secret.
That's why The Long March happened, the left realized who actually runs the show.
Most people will never realize that, even if they're screaming about agencies or lobbyists.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 18, 2015 09:48 PM (bLnSU)
571
Two words: Eric Cantor.
I quit the GOP six years ago, though I still vote for them locally and at the state level. A revolution is possible, but the ranks must be purged. It can be done.
I'll pull the lever for Scott Walker (or Jindal or possibly Wilson) but I'm still angry that I voted for Romney, knowing I was being told (by a great many on these message boards) that I was the problem.
I knew I wasn't.
I can't remember the last presidential vote I was actually proud to have participated in.
I quit the GOP six years ago, though I still vote for them locally and at the state level. A revolution is possible, but the ranks must be purged. It can be done.
I'll pull the lever for Scott Walker (or Jindal or possibly Wilson) but I'm still angry that I voted for Romney, knowing I was being told (by a great many on these message boards) that I was the problem.
I knew I wasn't.
I can't remember the last presidential vote I was actually proud to have participated in.
Posted by: SGT York at March 18, 2015 09:48 PM (3gnkq)
572
apropos of the prior post by Ace, Meghan Kelly is now shilling for Muslim immigration on Fox. And roasting Bobby Jindal for stating the obvious--that we should not be permitting Sharia advocates and islamists to immigrate.
She's awful.
She's awful.
Posted by: great big Banana Republic at March 18, 2015 09:48 PM (+kznc)
573
I've been trying for years to get friends/discussion buddies to understand that the only way to change the national party is to change it at the state and local level. Voting for Boehner is pretty much the same as voting for Reid: either way you're voting for a sick, twisted bastard who's sold out his country repeatedly, and who will gladly continue to do so.
Posted by: Just A Guy at March 18, 2015 09:48 PM (CGzAz)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 18, 2015 09:49 PM (0Ew3K)
Posted by: Modern Whigs at March 18, 2015 09:49 PM (8SsiG)
576
Taking out the RINOs is the answer. Get them out of their seats, starting with Boner himself.
Posted by: captslaq
He's already endorsed that.
Posted by: captslaq
He's already endorsed that.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 18, 2015 09:49 PM (Q/1Jp)
577
Congress has passed immigration reform? Where was I ?
Posted by: Bob Belcher at March 18, 2015 09:49 PM (dkHoZ)
578
Hell, at this point, I'm only interested in showing up for State and City elections to vote no on bond issues and leaving the rest of the ballot blank. (Not that it matters much; NY has 500+ mini Freddie Macs issuing "quasi-state" debt.
Posted by: Oschisms at March 18, 2015 09:49 PM (ZsN9X)
Posted by: ThunderB, PinUpWhoreBabyMachine at March 18, 2015 09:49 PM (zOTsN)
580
554: We all been had by the GOP. We need to deal with it. Demonrat, Rethuglican. They all fuckin hate us taxpaying losers. It's a fandance. Let God sort em out. I'm just gonna watch.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 18, 2015 09:49 PM (ucDmr)
581
I remember an Ace posting a few years back, offering up the Flaming Skull Party - the radical party that would make the Tea Party look like the rational, moderate alternative. What happened to that? I'm in for the Flaming Skull Party.
Posted by: Penultimatum at March 18, 2015 09:50 PM (EEUs4)
582
This is what I mean when I say that if we're being honest we should be honest. Yes, the GOP is not a worthwhile political vehicle for serious people. Jerking off into a dirty sock and then eating some Chinese left-overs isn't exactly heroic either.
Posted by: basicbv at March 18, 2015 09:45 PM
But voting GOP leaves my soul hungry 20 minutes after
Posted by: basicbv at March 18, 2015 09:45 PM
But voting GOP leaves my soul hungry 20 minutes after
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 09:50 PM (znRvO)
583
The difference between the GOPe and us is the noblesse oblige. They actually feel as if they're responsible for the "poor". They just don't use their own money.
Posted by: AmishDude at March 18, 2015 09:43 PM (PSNxx)
They should promise that every case by case basis will be fast-tracked and anyone who gums up the works by scamming the system will be made an example of and punished to the full extent of the law.
Posted by: AmishDude at March 18, 2015 09:43 PM (PSNxx)
They should promise that every case by case basis will be fast-tracked and anyone who gums up the works by scamming the system will be made an example of and punished to the full extent of the law.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 18, 2015 09:50 PM (Y92Nd)
584
"waves
Howdy!!
Posted by: Modern Whigs"
Welcome. So, what are your party platforms on taxation, regulation, abortion, illegal immigration, and, national security?
Howdy!!
Posted by: Modern Whigs"
Welcome. So, what are your party platforms on taxation, regulation, abortion, illegal immigration, and, national security?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:51 PM (FBT67)
585
This is what I mean when I say that if we're being honest we should be honest. Yes, the GOP is not a worthwhile political vehicle for serious people. Jerking off into a dirty sock and then eating some Chinese left-overs isn't exactly heroic either.
Posted by: basicbv
Your dietary habits aside, just how did the GOP begin, again?
This is what I mean when I say that if we're being honest we should be honest. Yes, the GOP is not a worthwhile political vehicle for serious people. Jerking off into a dirty sock and then eating some Chinese left-overs isn't exactly heroic either.
Posted by: basicbv
Your dietary habits aside, just how did the GOP begin, again?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 18, 2015 09:51 PM (Q/1Jp)
586
I get what Ace is saying, but I'm more in the camp we have a few bad apples at the top rather than it's simply hopeless.
The problem is, the GOP has been taken over by lobbyists.
I plan to vote, but if Jeb is the nominee, I'll likely vote 3rd party
The problem is, the GOP has been taken over by lobbyists.
I plan to vote, but if Jeb is the nominee, I'll likely vote 3rd party
Posted by: Kal at March 18, 2015 09:51 PM (qNgSD)
587
So I was going to do Saturday's thread on Gun Rights
Posted by: McY-
Sorry, no weekend threads on cars, guns, movies, space or anything like that anymore.
But if you've got an update on your azaleas and a recipe for banana bread....
So I was going to do Saturday's thread on Gun Rights
Posted by: McY-
Sorry, no weekend threads on cars, guns, movies, space or anything like that anymore.
But if you've got an update on your azaleas and a recipe for banana bread....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 18, 2015 09:51 PM (kdS6q)
588
I knew bob belcher was too much of a pathetic shit to actually leave like he swore he would last week.
Posted by: Buzzion at March 18, 2015 09:52 PM (oWDzK)
589
No. we must become as monks and preserve the knowledge for the rebuilding.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at March 18, 2015 09:39 PM (LWu6U)
Pound pastrami, can kraut, six bagels--bring home for Emma.
No. we must become as monks and preserve the knowledge for the rebuilding.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at March 18, 2015 09:39 PM (LWu6U)
Pound pastrami, can kraut, six bagels--bring home for Emma.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2015 09:52 PM (W5DcG)
590
572 apropos of the prior post by Ace, Meghan Kelly is now shilling for Muslim immigration on Fox. And roasting Bobby Jindal for stating the obvious--that we should not be permitting Sharia advocates and islamists to immigrate.
She's awful.
Posted by: great big Banana Republic at March 18, 2015 09:48 PM (+kznc)
Stossel and Gutfeld were about all I can tolerate on FOXSNOOZE now, and its not like I watch them much. But I'm dropping Daily Caller. Fuck Carlson.
She's awful.
Posted by: great big Banana Republic at March 18, 2015 09:48 PM (+kznc)
Stossel and Gutfeld were about all I can tolerate on FOXSNOOZE now, and its not like I watch them much. But I'm dropping Daily Caller. Fuck Carlson.
Posted by: Iblis at March 18, 2015 09:52 PM (vPB1q)
591
Jerking off into a dirty sock and then eating some Chinese left-overs isn't exactly heroic either.
Posted by: basicbv at March 18, 2015 09:45 PM
But voting GOP leaves my soul hungry 20 minutes after
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 09:50 PM (znRvO)
Jerking off into a dirty sock is the lesser of two evils.
Posted by: basicbv at March 18, 2015 09:45 PM
But voting GOP leaves my soul hungry 20 minutes after
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 09:50 PM (znRvO)
Jerking off into a dirty sock is the lesser of two evils.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 18, 2015 09:52 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:52 PM (FBT67)
593
Thank you, everyone. I did post a little earlier. We're sad, but in a way relieved. She's been not well for over a year. The last six months have been tough, with the past two/three being the worst. It was time.
As for the GOP, I gave up after 2012. My husband convinced me to go vote in 2014, but since the election he has given up as well, thanks to the GOP showing their asses. I think we're both done.
As for the GOP, I gave up after 2012. My husband convinced me to go vote in 2014, but since the election he has given up as well, thanks to the GOP showing their asses. I think we're both done.
Posted by: DangerGirl, footloose and Party-free at March 18, 2015 09:52 PM (KuU4f)
594
577 Posted by: Bob Belcher at March 18, 2015 09:49 PM (dkHoZ)
Congress is pretending that one district half-assedly and easily overtrunably saying "no mas" to Amigo Grande! solves it so "just pass the damn bill"....
the GOP willfight pass AMigo Grande through refusal to battle it....
we're 75% of the way there.
Congress is pretending that one district half-assedly and easily overtrunably saying "no mas" to Amigo Grande! solves it so "just pass the damn bill"....
the GOP will
we're 75% of the way there.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:52 PM (/4AZU)
595
I can't remember the last presidential vote I was actually proud to have participated in.
Posted by: SGT York at March 18, 2015 09
For me it was 1984
I've held my nose ever since. I'm too old for this shit
Posted by: SGT York at March 18, 2015 09
For me it was 1984
I've held my nose ever since. I'm too old for this shit
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 09:53 PM (znRvO)
596
178
Feels like I'm living in Firefly.
Ace and Mal could have been brothers.
Well, except for the height.
And the hairy back and all.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 18, 2015 08:36 PM (PJOJz)
Mal doesn't give up... hopefully Ace won't either once he gets some sleep.
Feels like I'm living in Firefly.
Ace and Mal could have been brothers.
Well, except for the height.
And the hairy back and all.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 18, 2015 08:36 PM (PJOJz)
Mal doesn't give up... hopefully Ace won't either once he gets some sleep.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 18, 2015 09:53 PM (5DGKy)
597
Ace, you lied to me. Like a junior varsity RINO. For the cause, you say. My God. Unforgivable.
You owe me. I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I am letting you in on a secret. Believe it or not, my name is not really Schmoe. It is Crown Prince Mo Fo Fo of the Lower Niger Kingdom of the Seven Delta Lakes. My tribal inheritance was stolen from me by corrupt officials of the Nigerian government. A court has ruled in my favor, but I am short of funds to complete the final settlement. For just $5,000.00, you can enable me to recover the princely sum that is mine and I will return you small investment twenty-fold. This I would do for a man who lied to me -- because that is what a Prince does.
You owe me. I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I am letting you in on a secret. Believe it or not, my name is not really Schmoe. It is Crown Prince Mo Fo Fo of the Lower Niger Kingdom of the Seven Delta Lakes. My tribal inheritance was stolen from me by corrupt officials of the Nigerian government. A court has ruled in my favor, but I am short of funds to complete the final settlement. For just $5,000.00, you can enable me to recover the princely sum that is mine and I will return you small investment twenty-fold. This I would do for a man who lied to me -- because that is what a Prince does.
Posted by: Edgar Allan Schmoe at March 18, 2015 09:54 PM (OLFrt)
598
"I'm still angry that I voted for Romney"
I'm angry about having been put in the position where my only choice was to vote for Romney. I don't so much regret the vote itself.
The Mittbot 3000 is an amnesty shill and a gun grabber and shocked the Obamacare prototype into life. But at bottom I don't think that Mitt has the same horribly toxic attitude towards this country and its traditional culture and institutions as does King Putt.
I'm angry about having been put in the position where my only choice was to vote for Romney. I don't so much regret the vote itself.
The Mittbot 3000 is an amnesty shill and a gun grabber and shocked the Obamacare prototype into life. But at bottom I don't think that Mitt has the same horribly toxic attitude towards this country and its traditional culture and institutions as does King Putt.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 18, 2015 09:54 PM (noWW6)
599
Posted by: Buzzion at March 18, 2015 09:52 PM (oWDzK)
I'm just passing through douchenozzle. As always you have nothing of substance to say.
I'm just passing through douchenozzle. As always you have nothing of substance to say.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at March 18, 2015 09:54 PM (dkHoZ)
600
@588
Come on now! How long you been around here? How many times has that threat actually? been carried out
Come on now! How long you been around here? How many times has that threat actually? been carried out
Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at March 18, 2015 09:55 PM (6yehy)
601
"Your dietary habits aside, just how did the GOP begin, again?"
See, that notion seems useful to me. It seems like a call for a bit of thought and then action.
See, that notion seems useful to me. It seems like a call for a bit of thought and then action.
Posted by: basicbv at March 18, 2015 09:55 PM (kQ364)
602
596 Posted by: redbanzai at March 18, 2015 09:53 PM (5DGKy)
Mal gave up on the independents...
he started worrying about the shit he could change not the stuff that was sold out from under him omae.
Time to vote locally and say "fuck you" nationally....
force the donkey to give in to its darker angels on Federal usurpation of local rule.
Mal gave up on the independents...
he started worrying about the shit he could change not the stuff that was sold out from under him omae.
Time to vote locally and say "fuck you" nationally....
force the donkey to give in to its darker angels on Federal usurpation of local rule.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:55 PM (/4AZU)
603
584 "waves
Howdy!!
Posted by: Modern Whigs"
Welcome. So, what are your party platforms on taxation, regulation, abortion, illegal immigration, and, national security?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015
At this point, what difference does it make?
Howdy!!
Posted by: Modern Whigs"
Welcome. So, what are your party platforms on taxation, regulation, abortion, illegal immigration, and, national security?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015
At this point, what difference does it make?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 09:56 PM (znRvO)
604
What is truly humorous about this post is that not to long ago Ace was bashing Tea Party candidates like Akin, Angle and O'Donnell and bemoaning how their hard-line extremist views just couldn't win instead of getting behind them and helping push them across the finish line.
I'm pissed at the Republican Party also. However, I'm pissed because the leadership is not fighting where I think they could win or where a fight would at least help them.
Akin, Angle, and O'Donnell were never going to win. Not with the Republican Party. Not without the Republican Party.
This isn't even just an ideological issue. A candidate who talks about have a date at a Satanic altar and lies about being stalked is probably going to have a hard time winning, whatever her politics. To pick that person to represent you severely damages your cause, whatever your cause is--Republican Party, Tea Party, Democratic Party, whatever. Don't pick that person. Pick someone else. It's an unforced error.
I'm pissed at the Republican Party also. However, I'm pissed because the leadership is not fighting where I think they could win or where a fight would at least help them.
Akin, Angle, and O'Donnell were never going to win. Not with the Republican Party. Not without the Republican Party.
This isn't even just an ideological issue. A candidate who talks about have a date at a Satanic altar and lies about being stalked is probably going to have a hard time winning, whatever her politics. To pick that person to represent you severely damages your cause, whatever your cause is--Republican Party, Tea Party, Democratic Party, whatever. Don't pick that person. Pick someone else. It's an unforced error.
Posted by: AD at March 18, 2015 09:56 PM (pXB1a)
Posted by: getting tough shilling for the GOPe here, fucknuts? at March 18, 2015 09:56 PM (/zpRd)
606
591 Jerking off into a dirty sock and then eating some Chinese left-overs isn't exactly heroic either.
Posted by: basicbv at March 18, 2015 09:45 PM
But voting GOP leaves my soul hungry 20 minutes after
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 09:50 PM (znRvO)
Jerking off into a dirty sock is the lesser of two evils.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 18, 2015 09:52 PM (Y92Nd)
Have a little self-respect here guys. Use a clean sock.
Posted by: basicbv at March 18, 2015 09:45 PM
But voting GOP leaves my soul hungry 20 minutes after
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 09:50 PM (znRvO)
Jerking off into a dirty sock is the lesser of two evils.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 18, 2015 09:52 PM (Y92Nd)
Have a little self-respect here guys. Use a clean sock.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 09:56 PM (mx5oN)
607
Ace, I'm not sure if you are being a Pollyanna or a nihilist.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 18, 2015 09:36 PM (0Ew3K)
Pollyanna? I'm not sure how you got that idea. If that post was Pollyannaish, Sylvia Plath was a barrel of laughs.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at March 18, 2015 09:45 PM (+XMAD)
Yes, pollyannaish.
It is Pollyannaish to think we have the luxury trying to replace the GOP with another working party before the point of no return.
It is Pollyannaish to think that the "let it burn" event gets through, that we will be able to rebuild without going all Sheldon's Foundation.*
I am pessimistic, I think that as it stands now, we are going to loose, and probably never get back.
But I am not going to lay down and take it, or just yell "f**k it, kill of America now!"
Between an immediate destruction and a drawn out one, I'd rather buy my time.
Perhaps in that time some person or group of persons will figure out a way to fight back successfully. Unlikely, but I'll fight for that possibility. Even if nothing can be done, that time can be valuable for some one or some group of people to build our own "Terminus"* and leave a remnant that might in the future be the seed for a worthy successor to America.
*Yes, those were Foundation Trilogy references...
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 18, 2015 09:36 PM (0Ew3K)
Pollyanna? I'm not sure how you got that idea. If that post was Pollyannaish, Sylvia Plath was a barrel of laughs.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at March 18, 2015 09:45 PM (+XMAD)
Yes, pollyannaish.
It is Pollyannaish to think we have the luxury trying to replace the GOP with another working party before the point of no return.
It is Pollyannaish to think that the "let it burn" event gets through, that we will be able to rebuild without going all Sheldon's Foundation.*
I am pessimistic, I think that as it stands now, we are going to loose, and probably never get back.
But I am not going to lay down and take it, or just yell "f**k it, kill of America now!"
Between an immediate destruction and a drawn out one, I'd rather buy my time.
Perhaps in that time some person or group of persons will figure out a way to fight back successfully. Unlikely, but I'll fight for that possibility. Even if nothing can be done, that time can be valuable for some one or some group of people to build our own "Terminus"* and leave a remnant that might in the future be the seed for a worthy successor to America.
*Yes, those were Foundation Trilogy references...
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 18, 2015 09:57 PM (0Ew3K)
608
Bob Belcher, immigration "reform" is not the issue, as you well know.
Corrosive, destructive lawlessness from above, through non-enforcement of existing laws, is the issue. And the national GOP is - obviously - not serious about doing anything other than spectacularly exacerbating it (amnesty).
So why was the DHS appropration left out of the CR (the CR, another indefensible blunder - if the GOP intended to govern in any way)?
There must have been a reason.
Corrosive, destructive lawlessness from above, through non-enforcement of existing laws, is the issue. And the national GOP is - obviously - not serious about doing anything other than spectacularly exacerbating it (amnesty).
So why was the DHS appropration left out of the CR (the CR, another indefensible blunder - if the GOP intended to govern in any way)?
There must have been a reason.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2015 09:57 PM (afQnV)
609
My entire voting life, I have never had a Presidential candidate that I felt good about voting for. I've never had many candidates period that I felt good voting for.
In PA - none. My candidate never won.
In TX - Ted Cruz.
Wow.
In PA - none. My candidate never won.
In TX - Ted Cruz.
Wow.
Posted by: DangerGirl, footloose and Party-free at March 18, 2015 09:57 PM (KuU4f)
610
572 apropos of the prior post by Ace, Meghan Kelly is now shilling for Muslim immigration on Fox. And roasting Bobby Jindal for stating the obvious--that we should not be permitting Sharia advocates and islamists to immigrate.
One advantage that we have over Europe is that our exploited cheap labor isn't Islamic.
What do these people have against Indians and East Asians?
One advantage that we have over Europe is that our exploited cheap labor isn't Islamic.
What do these people have against Indians and East Asians?
Posted by: AmishDude at March 18, 2015 09:57 PM (PSNxx)
611
"Modern Whigs"
Ever crack open a book about Lincoln? No, I'm not a neo-confederate, I'm just curious about how people think that Lincoln was some kind of William Seward.
Ever crack open a book about Lincoln? No, I'm not a neo-confederate, I'm just curious about how people think that Lincoln was some kind of William Seward.
Posted by: Shoot Me at March 18, 2015 09:57 PM (EQcfE)
612
"I can't remember the last presidential vote I was actually proud to have participated in."
Reagan 1984.
I still remember the feeling of pride turn to cold ashes in my mouth with the horrible amnesty deal Reagan signed two years later.
It turned out to be every bad thing that I had predicted it would be.
Which merely amplifies the huge annoyance at having been called a racist and xenophobe by the cheap labor lobby, as pleasant a bunch today as they were back then.
Reagan 1984.
I still remember the feeling of pride turn to cold ashes in my mouth with the horrible amnesty deal Reagan signed two years later.
It turned out to be every bad thing that I had predicted it would be.
Which merely amplifies the huge annoyance at having been called a racist and xenophobe by the cheap labor lobby, as pleasant a bunch today as they were back then.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 18, 2015 09:57 PM (noWW6)
613
What ever happened to Wickedpinto anyway?
Posted by: George at March 18, 2015 09:57 PM (fmKZ0)
614
Is it just me or was the rubicon crossed when the public decided smoking in bars was beyond the pale?
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 09:58 PM (+LunL)
615
598 "I'm still angry that I voted for Romney"
I'm proud to say I voted against Barry twice! I had reason for hope at the local level, but the GOPe is so busy giving the store away, it may be too late for this new generation to percolate up through the ranks to make a difference. Not that I'm in the GOP, my state has a Conservative party. Like it makes a fucking difference in NY!
I'm proud to say I voted against Barry twice! I had reason for hope at the local level, but the GOPe is so busy giving the store away, it may be too late for this new generation to percolate up through the ranks to make a difference. Not that I'm in the GOP, my state has a Conservative party. Like it makes a fucking difference in NY!
Posted by: Iblis at March 18, 2015 09:58 PM (vPB1q)
616
I honestly don't think Mitt is the problem, he was an honorable man and if anything, was probably the most conservative candidate on the issue of illegal immigration.
He vetoed Dream Act nonsense in deep blue Massachusetts while Rick Perry embraced it in Texas.
Romney was definitely to the Left of me, but I feel like he always had an Olive Branch to conservatives unlike McCain.
He vetoed Dream Act nonsense in deep blue Massachusetts while Rick Perry embraced it in Texas.
Romney was definitely to the Left of me, but I feel like he always had an Olive Branch to conservatives unlike McCain.
Posted by: Kal at March 18, 2015 09:58 PM (qNgSD)
617
I quit in 2014. Voted Libertarian in VA. Tough luck Gillespie.
Posted by: Doug at March 18, 2015 09:58 PM (QmzEi)
618
Welcome. So, what are your party platforms on taxation, regulation, abortion, illegal immigration, and, national security?
Agin' it, agin' it, agin' it, agin' it, for it.
Agin' it, agin' it, agin' it, agin' it, for it.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 09:58 PM (mx5oN)
619
Don't know if it was already mentioned but we should register as dems and go fuck with local dem politics. Shake something loose,maybe.
Posted by: fastfreefall at March 18, 2015 09:58 PM (pqOzY)
620
So now will y'all listen about change MUST begin at the local level?
All flows from this.
It is our own long march through the institutions.
And do NOT tell me you can't effect a change--at this level you can change things.
It takes getting involved, on a persistent basis.
Or you can whine.
So now will y'all listen about change MUST begin at the local level?
All flows from this.
It is our own long march through the institutions.
And do NOT tell me you can't effect a change--at this level you can change things.
It takes getting involved, on a persistent basis.
Or you can whine.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 18, 2015 09:58 PM (jeCnD)
621
I don't regret voting for McCain or Romney. It wasn't about them. It was NOT voting for the ruination of our country. Bush was no conservative, but Gore or Kerry? Really? Come on.
Posted by: Yip at March 18, 2015 09:59 PM (84SRe)
622
Nice post Ace, I'll drink to that.
Too bad for my kids though, they'll have a rougher time of it, living under ever creeping socialism.
Nice post Ace, I'll drink to that.
Too bad for my kids though, they'll have a rougher time of it, living under ever creeping socialism.
Posted by: BuckIV at March 18, 2015 09:59 PM (CLfqv)
623
607 Posted by: The Political Hat at March 18, 2015 09:57 PM (0Ew3K)
Hat I am not killing anybody, I am just getting out of the way of the killers...
Seattle is about to live my pet phrase "let stupidity be its own reward"...
Hat I am not killing anybody, I am just getting out of the way of the killers...
Seattle is about to live my pet phrase "let stupidity be its own reward"...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:59 PM (/4AZU)
624
It is Pollyannaish to think that the "let it burn" event gets through, that we will be able to rebuild without going all Sheldon's Foundation.*
Bazinga!
Bazinga!
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 09:59 PM (mx5oN)
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614 Is it just me or was the rubicon crossed when the public decided smoking in bars was beyond the pale?
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 09:58 PM (+LunL)
It was Women's suffrage.
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 09:58 PM (+LunL)
It was Women's suffrage.
Posted by: Iblis at March 18, 2015 10:00 PM (vPB1q)
626
Got a mailer from Jeb Bush for the RNC. I returned the envelope with a post-it saying "Please forward to an illegal". It felt glorious.
Posted by: Eli Cash at March 18, 2015 10:00 PM (Dc/ui)
627
did you know that I'm not only black but also Jewish?
Posted by: President Prolapse at March 18, 2015 10:00 PM (y/p2Y)
628
ace, change your password. I think Drew is posting under your name.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at March 18, 2015 10:00 PM (X/+QT)
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595 I can't remember the last presidential vote I was actually proud to have participated in.
Posted by: SGT York at March 18, 2015 09
Oh, I was very happy to vote for Dubya in 2004. Despite Bush's "compassionate conservatism" *cough, cough*, I'm still glad I voted for him when I think of what the alternatives were in '00 and 04 - manbearpig and Mr. Ed.
Posted by: SGT York at March 18, 2015 09
Oh, I was very happy to vote for Dubya in 2004. Despite Bush's "compassionate conservatism" *cough, cough*, I'm still glad I voted for him when I think of what the alternatives were in '00 and 04 - manbearpig and Mr. Ed.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at March 18, 2015 10:00 PM (+XMAD)
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Ah. There is chatter about some members of the Religion Of Peace having shot up a cafe in Sweden with Kalashnikovs.
Anyone else remember a time when this shit did not happen? The time before mass non-Western immigration?
Doing the jobs that Swedes won't do!
Anyone else remember a time when this shit did not happen? The time before mass non-Western immigration?
Doing the jobs that Swedes won't do!
Posted by: torquewrench at March 18, 2015 10:01 PM (noWW6)
631
"At this point, what difference does it make?"
I know, I know. Just whacking off into a dirty sock.
I know, I know. Just whacking off into a dirty sock.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 10:01 PM (FBT67)
632
618 Welcome. So, what are your party platforms on taxation, regulation, abortion, illegal immigration, and, national security?
Agin' it, agin' it, agin' it, agin' it, for it.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 09:58 PM (mx5oN)
And Bewbs!
Agin' it, agin' it, agin' it, agin' it, for it.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 09:58 PM (mx5oN)
And Bewbs!
Posted by: Iblis at March 18, 2015 10:01 PM (vPB1q)
633
Is it just me or was the rubicon crossed when the public decided smoking in bars was beyond the pale?
Posted by: SH
1913.
When Our Betters (tm) passed the 16th Amendment and the public woke up, farted, and went back to sleep.
Posted by: SH
1913.
When Our Betters (tm) passed the 16th Amendment and the public woke up, farted, and went back to sleep.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 18, 2015 10:01 PM (Q/1Jp)
634
614: If it only ended there. What's next? You know, they will never stop. Hitler hated smoking too. Little Austrian sucker of cock.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 18, 2015 10:01 PM (ucDmr)
635
630 Posted by: torquewrench at March 18, 2015 10:01 PM (noWW6)
Can't be...EUtopia has pretty strict gun control comrade...
where on Earth could "Newer Better Swedes" get AKs?
Can't be...EUtopia has pretty strict gun control comrade...
where on Earth could "Newer Better Swedes" get AKs?
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 10:02 PM (/4AZU)
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626 Got a mailer from Jeb Bush for the RNC. I returned the envelope with a post-it saying "Please forward to an illegal". It felt glorious.
Posted by: Eli Cash at March 18, 2015 10:00 PM (Dc/ui)
That's good. I'll have to remember that.
Posted by: Eli Cash at March 18, 2015 10:00 PM (Dc/ui)
That's good. I'll have to remember that.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at March 18, 2015 10:02 PM (+XMAD)
637
I quit in 2014. Voted Libertarian in VA. Tough luck Gillespie.
Posted by: Doug at March 18, 2015 09:58 PM (QmzEi)
Thank you!
You indirect support will be promptly forgotten when we send you to the gulag.
But as a consolation prize, will give you this nice shiny shiv and put you in the same camp as Ed Giillespie!
Posted by: Doug at March 18, 2015 09:58 PM (QmzEi)
Thank you!
You indirect support will be promptly forgotten when we send you to the gulag.
But as a consolation prize, will give you this nice shiny shiv and put you in the same camp as Ed Giillespie!
Posted by: The DNC at March 18, 2015 10:02 PM (0Ew3K)
638
Call me?
Posted by: Dirty Sock at March 18, 2015 10:02 PM (yxw0r)
639
Yes, those were Foundation Trilogy references...
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 18, 2015 09:57 PM (0Ew3K)
I read your mind.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 18, 2015 09:57 PM (0Ew3K)
I read your mind.
Posted by: The Mule at March 18, 2015 10:02 PM (W5DcG)
640
Anyways, I'm quitting this day. See y'all tomorrow.
Posted by: DangerGirl, footloose and Party-free at March 18, 2015 10:02 PM (KuU4f)
641
Yeah I was proud to vote for bush both times - for different reasons. He let me down on some issues. But I liked him.
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 10:03 PM (+LunL)
Posted by: The Chicken at March 18, 2015 10:03 PM (GuwT9)
643
"Bush was no conservative, but Gore or Kerry? Really? Come on."
What Bush managed to do (on the very short list of "accomplishments" by the Bush family) was to end up discrediting conservatism in the public mind thanks to his failures, even though Dubya (and Poppy) were never even remotely conservatives and consistently distanced themselves from the conservative movement.
Awesome. Thanks, man. Great job.
What Bush managed to do (on the very short list of "accomplishments" by the Bush family) was to end up discrediting conservatism in the public mind thanks to his failures, even though Dubya (and Poppy) were never even remotely conservatives and consistently distanced themselves from the conservative movement.
Awesome. Thanks, man. Great job.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 18, 2015 10:03 PM (noWW6)
644
560 eman, do you think you look tough?
Posted by: Shoot Me at March 18, 2015 09:46 PM (EQcfE)
Illogical.
560 eman, do you think you look tough?
Posted by: Shoot Me at March 18, 2015 09:46 PM (EQcfE)
Illogical.
Posted by: eman at March 18, 2015 10:03 PM (MQEz6)
645
Ace, I'm with you.
But keep up the posting on other stuff.
Altruistic punishment podcast was awesome.
Just don't do horse race politics.
But keep up the posting on other stuff.
Altruistic punishment podcast was awesome.
Just don't do horse race politics.
Posted by: sexypig at March 18, 2015 10:04 PM (dZQh7)
646
Hat I am not killing anybody, I am just getting out of the way of the killers...
Seattle is about to live my pet phrase "let stupidity be its own reward"...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:59 PM (/4AZU)
Sorry, I'm not into America's euthanization...
Seattle is about to live my pet phrase "let stupidity be its own reward"...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 09:59 PM (/4AZU)
Sorry, I'm not into America's euthanization...
Posted by: Hari's Hat at March 18, 2015 10:05 PM (0Ew3K)
647
Calling Glengary, calling Glengary... we're in need of some motivation here.
Posted by: captslaq at March 18, 2015 10:05 PM (vREfp)
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641 Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 10:03 PM (+LunL)
Chimpy was the harbinger of the sell out frankly....
The *only* reason to vote GOP(in theory) is they do not actively hate America right now and they are stronger on defense...(in theory)....
Chimpy *really* was the John Major to Reagan's Margaret Thatcher.
"We'll take care of the welfare state and kick some ass"
//"Sensible Sensitive Right Wing"
Chimpy was the harbinger of the sell out frankly....
The *only* reason to vote GOP(in theory) is they do not actively hate America right now and they are stronger on defense...(in theory)....
Chimpy *really* was the John Major to Reagan's Margaret Thatcher.
"We'll take care of the welfare state and kick some ass"
//"Sensible Sensitive Right Wing"
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 10:05 PM (/4AZU)
649
ObamaCare exists right now due to one Republican and one Republican appointee. History called... and it's a tax.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 18, 2015 10:05 PM (QCo5R)
650
Wanna puke? Drudge link. US to go to UN to force 2 state solution on Israel
Posted by: Yip at March 18, 2015 10:05 PM (84SRe)
651
Back when the Occupy movement started, a blogger I don't remember posted a Venn diagram. I don't have it handy, but I'll try to recite it from memory.
It showed two overlapping circles. On the left side, it said, "The Occupy movement thinks that big corporations have too much power."
On the right side, it said, "The Tea Party movement thinks that big government has too much power."
In the middle, it said, "Big corporations influence government with campaign contributions, which passes laws and issues regulations which primarily benefit the corporations at the expense of everyone else."
In other words, fascism.
The point was to show that there is some common ground. The Tea Party largely identifies with the middle class, while the Occupy movement identifies with the poor.
Both the middle class and the poor are being crushed and enslaved by the government/corporate combine.
I remember Glenn Beck saying a few years ago that we need to concentrate on what we have in common, instead of what divides us.
It showed two overlapping circles. On the left side, it said, "The Occupy movement thinks that big corporations have too much power."
On the right side, it said, "The Tea Party movement thinks that big government has too much power."
In the middle, it said, "Big corporations influence government with campaign contributions, which passes laws and issues regulations which primarily benefit the corporations at the expense of everyone else."
In other words, fascism.
The point was to show that there is some common ground. The Tea Party largely identifies with the middle class, while the Occupy movement identifies with the poor.
Both the middle class and the poor are being crushed and enslaved by the government/corporate combine.
I remember Glenn Beck saying a few years ago that we need to concentrate on what we have in common, instead of what divides us.
Posted by: rickl at March 18, 2015 10:06 PM (sdi6R)
652
Yes, those were Foundation Trilogy references...
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 18, 2015 09:57 PM (0Ew3K)
I read your mind.
Posted by: The Mule at March 18, 2015 10:02 PM (W5DcG)
Heh...
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 18, 2015 09:57 PM (0Ew3K)
I read your mind.
Posted by: The Mule at March 18, 2015 10:02 PM (W5DcG)
Heh...
Posted by: Second Foundation at March 18, 2015 10:06 PM (0Ew3K)
653
Wow, Beck declaring war on the GOP and NRA in the span of a week.
Interesting...
Interesting...
Posted by: Lizzy at March 18, 2015 10:06 PM (V+8gv)
654
"Got a mailer from Jeb Bush for the RNC. I returned the envelope with a post-it saying 'Please forward to an illegal'. It felt glorious."
I haven't had the privilege yet, but if it happens, I'll return it with a note saying, "Go screw yourselves. It's 'an act of love'."
I haven't had the privilege yet, but if it happens, I'll return it with a note saying, "Go screw yourselves. It's 'an act of love'."
Posted by: torquewrench at March 18, 2015 10:06 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Soothsayer's imaginary twitter feed at March 18, 2015 10:06 PM (ZxjRZ)
Posted by: Sea biscuit at March 18, 2015 10:06 PM (mx5oN)
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I know, I know. Just whacking off into a dirty sock.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015
Dryer fire material
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015
Dryer fire material
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 10:06 PM (znRvO)
658
This will solve everything. Let's all give up and cede the country to the next Stalin. "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands,hoist the black flag, and start slitting throats." You should take that off of the site banner and replace it with,"fuck me hard, I like it when I don't have to participate."
You guys are all so smart, you have all these great insights on how the world works. But you'll just take this ass fucking and say,"Fine. See if I come over to your house again!" and think you've solved something? You're still getting fucked, you just ain't there to appreciate it!
We all like to talk about how France rolled over in both world wars. This from a country that came close to ruling the world. That's what you're doing. Rolling over. We need to figure out how to be the resistants. We have to infiltrate and influence the party. In world war II, french patriots actively sought the overthrow of their oppressors without the benefits of cell phones, facebook or twitter. Can we do less with so much more?
Choose your path and live with it, but I won't let this country fade into darkness without a fight.
You guys are all so smart, you have all these great insights on how the world works. But you'll just take this ass fucking and say,"Fine. See if I come over to your house again!" and think you've solved something? You're still getting fucked, you just ain't there to appreciate it!
We all like to talk about how France rolled over in both world wars. This from a country that came close to ruling the world. That's what you're doing. Rolling over. We need to figure out how to be the resistants. We have to infiltrate and influence the party. In world war II, french patriots actively sought the overthrow of their oppressors without the benefits of cell phones, facebook or twitter. Can we do less with so much more?
Choose your path and live with it, but I won't let this country fade into darkness without a fight.
Posted by: I don't have one at March 18, 2015 10:07 PM (KqnY1)
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"even though Dubya (and Poppy) were never even remotely conservatives and
consistently distanced themselves from the conservative movement.
"
But, as TexGov, he was seen as fairly conservative. A damn sight better than Ma Richards. At least Perry "conservative."
consistently distanced themselves from the conservative movement.
"
But, as TexGov, he was seen as fairly conservative. A damn sight better than Ma Richards. At least Perry "conservative."
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 10:07 PM (FBT67)
660
163
Shit! Next Ace is going to tell us there is no Santa Claus or the Boob Fairy.
Posted by: Sparky at March 18, 2015 08:33 PM (iQIUe)
_________________________________
I never believed in the Boob Fairy. I just desperately long there to be one, someday. Someday.
Shit! Next Ace is going to tell us there is no Santa Claus or the Boob Fairy.
Posted by: Sparky at March 18, 2015 08:33 PM (iQIUe)
_________________________________
I never believed in the Boob Fairy. I just desperately long there to be one, someday. Someday.
Posted by: CozMark at March 18, 2015 10:07 PM (gYPAF)
661
Sven - sue me. I liked W. Faults and all.
Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 10:07 PM (+LunL)
662
646 Posted by: Hari's Hat at March 18, 2015 10:05 PM (0Ew3K)
Unlike DF82 I *will* get banned if I post what I think SHOULD be done to the media to knock them off the ball Hat....
What precisely am I to do about Seattle's embrace of economic retardation champ?
How am I to stop the "unfairly indebted college kidz" from ruining our economy begging for a jubilee?
Nope I am done....
I have posted WAY too much on what is wrong, the path and pain needed to fix it and been ignored, ridiculed, and called racist and monster and that is BY MY OWN PARTY let alone the actual communists in the other camp....
Nah "show me" economic geniuses of the political class....show me how to make this clusterfuck work.
Unlike DF82 I *will* get banned if I post what I think SHOULD be done to the media to knock them off the ball Hat....
What precisely am I to do about Seattle's embrace of economic retardation champ?
How am I to stop the "unfairly indebted college kidz" from ruining our economy begging for a jubilee?
Nope I am done....
I have posted WAY too much on what is wrong, the path and pain needed to fix it and been ignored, ridiculed, and called racist and monster and that is BY MY OWN PARTY let alone the actual communists in the other camp....
Nah "show me" economic geniuses of the political class....show me how to make this clusterfuck work.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 10:08 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 10:08 PM (FBT67)
664
I never believed in the Boob Fairy. I just desperately long there to be one, someday. Someday.
Posted by: CozMark
For what it's worth, I've been putting on weight.
Posted by: CozMark
For what it's worth, I've been putting on weight.
Posted by: Bawney Fwank at March 18, 2015 10:09 PM (GuwT9)
665
661 Posted by: SH at March 18, 2015 10:07 PM (+LunL)
I backed Chimpy to the hilt...
I'd have voted for him a third and fourth time if able...
his *only* sin was going limp and not counterpunching after 2006.
I backed Chimpy to the hilt...
I'd have voted for him a third and fourth time if able...
his *only* sin was going limp and not counterpunching after 2006.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 10:09 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 10:09 PM (FBT67)
667
I warned them about something then: A hopeless soldier is a soldier who will desert the field.
Out of context some but some soldiers will fight, with or without hope.
Out of context some but some soldiers will fight, with or without hope.
Posted by: dartist at March 18, 2015 10:09 PM (ahBY0)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 18, 2015 10:09 PM (4gN5w)
669
Ace: "The GOP is never repealing Obamacare or even trying hard to do so."
Good. Because when you get right own to it, Obamacare was passed more or less properly. Congress, however deceitful on the matter, voted in majorites, the president signed it, and a crappy bill became a crappy law in accordance with the Constitution.
Lip service to repealing a law so passed isn't a platform; it's pandering to a fantasy. It's about time they stopped.
Good. Because when you get right own to it, Obamacare was passed more or less properly. Congress, however deceitful on the matter, voted in majorites, the president signed it, and a crappy bill became a crappy law in accordance with the Constitution.
Lip service to repealing a law so passed isn't a platform; it's pandering to a fantasy. It's about time they stopped.
Posted by: FireHorse at March 18, 2015 10:10 PM (fgb4J)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 18, 2015 10:10 PM (ODxAs)
671
I am Obama, destroyer of worlds.
Posted by: Shit Midas at March 18, 2015 10:10 PM (FBT67)
672
Nah "show me" economic geniuses of the political class....show me how to make this clusterfuck work.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 10:08 PM (/4AZU)
Why. hello there!
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 10:08 PM (/4AZU)
Why. hello there!
Posted by: Zombie Agusto Pinochet at March 18, 2015 10:11 PM (0Ew3K)
673
"Wanna puke? Drudge link. US to go to UN to force 2 state solution on Israel"
Hopefully Bibi will tell those sniveling anti-Semitic terrorist-rimmers to go horsefcuk.
Hopefully Bibi will tell those sniveling anti-Semitic terrorist-rimmers to go horsefcuk.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 10:11 PM (mx5oN)
674
Thunderous applause.
Posted by: creeper at March 18, 2015 10:11 PM (taHm6)
675
Epic!
Yet another reason why I continue to return to this award-winning smart military blog!
Yet, ultimately, they will never make us serfs. They may import enough serfs to materialize their dream of a nation of serfs... but we have the rifles.
And we have read Sun Tzu in translation. And our kids are in martial arts, and know sight alignment/trigger control. And some of them even can read Greek. Or Latin. (Or (SHUSH!) Hebrew.)
And we try to be good. That is the key.
They try not to be good.
Yet another reason why I continue to return to this award-winning smart military blog!
Yet, ultimately, they will never make us serfs. They may import enough serfs to materialize their dream of a nation of serfs... but we have the rifles.
And we have read Sun Tzu in translation. And our kids are in martial arts, and know sight alignment/trigger control. And some of them even can read Greek. Or Latin. (Or (SHUSH!) Hebrew.)
And we try to be good. That is the key.
They try not to be good.
Posted by: yet another Amos Singletary guy at March 18, 2015 10:12 PM (XBF+S)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 18, 2015 10:12 PM (0Ew3K)
677
torquewrench, I appreciate your opinion. Are you saying Gore would have been better? Would it have been better to elect Kerry in 2004? I get the valid criticism of 43. He was NO conservative. Only the MSM and the donks declared him one. He suffered from his Daddy's world view , and I have no love lost for that family. Considering the choices, it was a slam dunk, that's all.
Bush 41 lead to Clinton, like 43 lead to Obama. Didn't happen in a vacuum... I blame the media and the Democrats for both.... and I refuse to allow the media to define the Bushes as conservatives . They were not. I respect your opinion. 43 really let us down, I agree. But the donks would have been worse IMO.
Bush 41 lead to Clinton, like 43 lead to Obama. Didn't happen in a vacuum... I blame the media and the Democrats for both.... and I refuse to allow the media to define the Bushes as conservatives . They were not. I respect your opinion. 43 really let us down, I agree. But the donks would have been worse IMO.
Posted by: Yip at March 18, 2015 10:12 PM (84SRe)
678
If I were younger I'd be taking a crash course in chinese
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2015 10:12 PM (/tNwW)
679
670
In re to a comment above, the palestinians already have a state, its called Jordan.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 18, 2015 10:10 PM (ODxAs)
Obama wants to make sure they have a closer launch platform for their rockets into Israel. For justice or something.
In re to a comment above, the palestinians already have a state, its called Jordan.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 18, 2015 10:10 PM (ODxAs)
Obama wants to make sure they have a closer launch platform for their rockets into Israel. For justice or something.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 18, 2015 10:12 PM (mx5oN)
680
Seriously, if you think a new party to replace the GOP is a viable option, here is a way to prove it:
http://tinyurl.com/k5fnt6k
http://tinyurl.com/k5fnt6k
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 18, 2015 10:13 PM (0Ew3K)
681
The only thing Fredo hates more than Republicans is Netanyahu. Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2015 10:13 PM (/tNwW)
682
Hat, that does make a lot of sense. I'll pass it along to the ACP; we've been discussing something like this.
Posted by: Country Singer at March 18, 2015 10:14 PM (nL0sw)
683
Too bad for my kids though, they'll have a rougher time of it, living under ever creeping socialism.
Posted by: BuckIV at March 18, 2015 09:59 PM (CLfqv)
It's not creeping anymore, it's on the warpath.
Posted by: BuckIV at March 18, 2015 09:59 PM (CLfqv)
It's not creeping anymore, it's on the warpath.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at March 18, 2015 10:14 PM (3HxZe)
684
Can they pull the UN funding? Will they?
Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 18, 2015 10:14 PM (zOTsN)
685
Fredo is the original Homey the Clown.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 18, 2015 10:14 PM (ucDmr)
686
Awesome! That's worth another drink!
Posted by: Yip at March 18, 2015 09:44 PM (84SRe)
I am having a stiff drink tonight too so... in honor of not giving up and in honor of Bibi's ginormous mooning of The Won... l'chaim
Posted by: Yip at March 18, 2015 09:44 PM (84SRe)
I am having a stiff drink tonight too so... in honor of not giving up and in honor of Bibi's ginormous mooning of The Won... l'chaim
Posted by: redbanzai at March 18, 2015 10:15 PM (5DGKy)
687
(BTW, Beck told the NRA it is him or jihadi Grover Norquist.)
Posted by: yet another Amos Singletary guy at March 18, 2015 10:15 PM (XBF+S)
688
"http://tinyurl.com/k5fnt6k"
Ehhh, maybe. I agree Louisiana would be a good test bed for it. Maybe OK. AL.
Ehhh, maybe. I agree Louisiana would be a good test bed for it. Maybe OK. AL.
Posted by: Shit Midas at March 18, 2015 10:15 PM (FBT67)
689
Everyone knows, right, that Lincoln quit the Whig party and was partyless for a while, until the Republicans got themselves formed, and he ran on their ticket. One can be an honorable person and be unenthused about a party.
Posted by: Emily at March 18, 2015 09:26 PM
Actually no, I don't know that because it's not true. Whatever your source is is mistaken I believe.
Lincoln never made any move to leave the Whigs until he participated in a meeting at Decatur Feb. 22, 1856 with a dozen Republican (Anti-Nebraska) leaning editors. His law partner was one of the influences towards getting him to join the Reps. Herndon was a Rep. before Lincoln, but Lincoln was never officially "partyless".
Google Rep party, Decatur + editors.
Posted by: Emily at March 18, 2015 09:26 PM
Actually no, I don't know that because it's not true. Whatever your source is is mistaken I believe.
Lincoln never made any move to leave the Whigs until he participated in a meeting at Decatur Feb. 22, 1856 with a dozen Republican (Anti-Nebraska) leaning editors. His law partner was one of the influences towards getting him to join the Reps. Herndon was a Rep. before Lincoln, but Lincoln was never officially "partyless".
Google Rep party, Decatur + editors.
Posted by: Farmer at March 18, 2015 10:15 PM (o/90i)
690
Wanna puke? Drudge link. US to go to UN to force 2 state solution on Israel
Posted by: Yip at March 18, 2015 10:05 PM (84SRe)
I hope Israel goes to the UN to force a two state solution for the USA.
Posted by: Yip at March 18, 2015 10:05 PM (84SRe)
I hope Israel goes to the UN to force a two state solution for the USA.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2015 10:15 PM (W5DcG)
691
Hmmm, UN imposition of 2-state solution. Popcorn time. Chapter 6 (enforceable) UN Sec. Council resolution? Still hard to see that. Sheeit, we might even be looking at 1948 again (French and Russians as Israel's biggest friends). Two UNSC vetoes there - maybe even the UK.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2015 10:16 PM (afQnV)
692
So I saw on USA Today that Microsoft is discontinuing IE.
Which is curious to me since that is the browser I am using right now.
wut?
So I saw on USA Today that Microsoft is discontinuing IE.
Which is curious to me since that is the browser I am using right now.
wut?
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2015 10:17 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 10:17 PM (FBT67)
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2015 10:17 PM (MDgS8)
695
Wanna puke? Drudge link. US to go to UN to force 2 state solution on Israel
Posted by: Yip at March 18, 2015 10:05 PM (84SRe)
Not surprised.
Posted by: Yip at March 18, 2015 10:05 PM (84SRe)
Not surprised.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2015 10:19 PM (/tNwW)
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692 Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2015 10:17 PM (MDgS
They are last I read discontinuing IE but continuing "explorer" and renaming it...
I run nightly.
They are last I read discontinuing IE but continuing "explorer" and renaming it...
I run nightly.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 10:19 PM (/4AZU)
697
Saw Ron Reagan doing an ad on CNN by the Freedom From Religion Foundation saying the country is being taken over by religious people.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2015 09:27 PM
Just more proof younger Ron is a lefty idiot. As much as I'm not fond of Nancy she doesn't deserve that idiot for a son.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2015 09:27 PM
Just more proof younger Ron is a lefty idiot. As much as I'm not fond of Nancy she doesn't deserve that idiot for a son.
Posted by: Farmer at March 18, 2015 10:19 PM (o/90i)
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They don't care about that so much
They are very very worried about BDS
If the JEF says their is no trade with Israel that would be a calamity
They are very very worried about BDS
If the JEF says their is no trade with Israel that would be a calamity
Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 18, 2015 10:20 PM (zOTsN)
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695 Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2015 10:19 PM (/tNwW)
He's as retarded as many a special olympian(and I mean no offense) and as entitled as a bad make-a-wish kid Cancer fraud....
I had this shithead pegged back in '07.
He's as retarded as many a special olympian(and I mean no offense) and as entitled as a bad make-a-wish kid Cancer fraud....
I had this shithead pegged back in '07.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 10:20 PM (/4AZU)
700
Hmmm, UN imposition of 2-state solution. Popcorn time. Chapter 6 (enforceable) UN Sec. Council resolution? Still hard to see that. Sheeit, we might even be looking at 1948 again (French and Russians as Israel's biggest friends). Two UNSC vetoes there - maybe even the UK.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2015 10:16 PM (afQnV)
No if the Us turns, neither France, The UK, or Russia will veto it.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2015 10:16 PM (afQnV)
No if the Us turns, neither France, The UK, or Russia will veto it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 18, 2015 10:20 PM (/tNwW)
701
They are last I read discontinuing IE but continuing "explorer" and renaming it...
I run nightly.
So what I'm using right now isn't called Internet Explorer anymore , but is Internet Explorer?
They are last I read discontinuing IE but continuing "explorer" and renaming it...
I run nightly.
So what I'm using right now isn't called Internet Explorer anymore , but is Internet Explorer?
Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2015 10:21 PM (MDgS8)
702
Not only do I not much care if Hillary is president, I don't really care who the GOP nominee is. Whoever it is will lose anyway. I refuse to be emotionally invested anymore.
No one can pull defeat from the jaws of victory so often and so reliably unless they were trying to lose. Failure theater is right. The GOP is worse then useless; it's corrupt and destructive. Is the fact that it's a little less destructive and corrupt than the Democrats supposed to be inspiring?
Not only do I not much care if Hillary is president, I don't really care who the GOP nominee is. Whoever it is will lose anyway. I refuse to be emotionally invested anymore.
No one can pull defeat from the jaws of victory so often and so reliably unless they were trying to lose. Failure theater is right. The GOP is worse then useless; it's corrupt and destructive. Is the fact that it's a little less destructive and corrupt than the Democrats supposed to be inspiring?
Posted by: DRayRaven at March 18, 2015 10:21 PM (q4f8l)
703
690
I hope Israel goes to the UN to force a two state solution for the USA.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2015 10:15 PM (W5DcG)
Threadwinner!
I hope Israel goes to the UN to force a two state solution for the USA.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 18, 2015 10:15 PM (W5DcG)
Threadwinner!
Posted by: rickl at March 18, 2015 10:21 PM (sdi6R)
704
Someone should petition the White House for a "2 state solution for the USA"....
I bet it gets more sigs than the 47 traitor ronin got.
I bet it gets more sigs than the 47 traitor ronin got.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 10:21 PM (/4AZU)
705
So I saw on USA Today that Microsoft is discontinuing IE.
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Or renaming the new version. Expect an announcement something like, "After January 1, 2016, MS will no longer be supporting IE." Thus, all of the corporate users will be buying new MS browser..,and probably Windows 10.
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Or renaming the new version. Expect an announcement something like, "After January 1, 2016, MS will no longer be supporting IE." Thus, all of the corporate users will be buying new MS browser..,and probably Windows 10.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 18, 2015 10:21 PM (F2IAQ)
706
Fire Hose, what do you mean that it's great that a bill that passed in the middle of the night with no support from the opposition party shouldn't be challenged? We can change what has happened before. That is part of the process. We can change our minds. Even if the powers in charge at the time didn't care what we thought, we aren't tied to their allegiance.
Posted by: I don't have one at March 18, 2015 10:21 PM (KqnY1)
707
Nood. If interested.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 10:22 PM (FBT67)
Posted by: eman at March 18, 2015 10:22 PM (MQEz6)
709
701 Posted by: eleven at March 18, 2015 10:21 PM (MDgS
There was "internet explorer" and "explorer" once...
MS is not going to nuke your browser BUT they are going to call IE version 4.0 or whatever "something" for Windoze 10....
right now it is codenamed "spartan" and I *hope* it is so good it dickslaps mozilla.
There was "internet explorer" and "explorer" once...
MS is not going to nuke your browser BUT they are going to call IE version 4.0 or whatever "something" for Windoze 10....
right now it is codenamed "spartan" and I *hope* it is so good it dickslaps mozilla.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 10:23 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: irongrampa at March 18, 2015 10:23 PM (jeCnD)
711
Amusing, FireHorse. O-care was only constitutional from the outset in the sense that "constitutional" has no meaning (rewritten by one justice completely making it up and inventing tax law off the cuff). And there were the egregious (slam dunk) shell bill and reconciliation improprieties.
And then the (myriad) implementation illegalities, no number there because they are still being perpetrated on an ongoing basis.
But yeah, repealing an indefensibly idiotic and multifariously unconstitutional disaster now wreaking havoc on the lives of millions would be, dunno, unseemly or something.
And then the (myriad) implementation illegalities, no number there because they are still being perpetrated on an ongoing basis.
But yeah, repealing an indefensibly idiotic and multifariously unconstitutional disaster now wreaking havoc on the lives of millions would be, dunno, unseemly or something.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 18, 2015 10:24 PM (afQnV)
712
"torquewrench, I appreciate your opinion. Are you saying Gore would have been better? Would it have been better to elect Kerry in 2004?"
Alternate history time.
Gore defeats Bush in a squeaker in 2000. 9/11 happens. Gore sighs and delays and attempts a lawfare response, opining that "global warming is the larger threat". Some piddling about in Afghanistan is attempted with little result. Iraq is left alone. An electorate who want tougher responses eject Gore in a Carteresque 2004 re-election bid.
Or.
Kerry finds 50K votes in car trunks and wins Ohio and unseats Bush in 2004. Immediately withdraws from Iraq. Iraq descends into total chaos. American voters strongly support the GOP against Kerry in the 2006 midterm election. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid never become the leaders of their respective chambers. Barack Obama is elected to the Senate thanks to GOP ineptitude but opts not to run for President in '08.
Alternate history time.
Gore defeats Bush in a squeaker in 2000. 9/11 happens. Gore sighs and delays and attempts a lawfare response, opining that "global warming is the larger threat". Some piddling about in Afghanistan is attempted with little result. Iraq is left alone. An electorate who want tougher responses eject Gore in a Carteresque 2004 re-election bid.
Or.
Kerry finds 50K votes in car trunks and wins Ohio and unseats Bush in 2004. Immediately withdraws from Iraq. Iraq descends into total chaos. American voters strongly support the GOP against Kerry in the 2006 midterm election. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid never become the leaders of their respective chambers. Barack Obama is elected to the Senate thanks to GOP ineptitude but opts not to run for President in '08.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 18, 2015 10:25 PM (noWW6)
713
Let me have your attention for a moment! So you're talking about what? You're talking about...(puts out his cigarette)...bitching about that election you lost, some son of a bitch that doesn't want to support amnesty, somebody that doesn't want what you believe in, some broad you're trying to screw and so forth. Let's talk about something important. Are they all here?
Well, I'm going anyway. Let's talk about something important!
Put that coffee down!! Coffee's for voters only.
Do you think I'm fucking with you? I am not fucking with you. I'm here from downtown. I'm here from Mitch and John. And I'm here on a mission of mercy. Your name's Ace?
You call yourself a conservative, you son of a bitch?
(I don't have to listen to this shit.)
You certainly don't pal. 'Cause the good news is -- you're fired. The bad news is you've got, all you got, just two years to regain your party, starting tonight. Starting with tonights sit. Oh, have I got your attention now? Good. 'Cause we're adding a little something to this years primary. As you all know, first prize is a decent fucking candidate. Anyone want to see second prize? Second prize's a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired. You get the picture? You're laughing now? You got candidates. Mitch and John paid good money. Get their names and vote for them! You can't elect the candidates you're given, you can't elect shit, you ARE shit, hit the bricks pal and beat it 'cause you are going out!!!
(The party's weak.)
'The party's weak.' Fucking party's weak? You're weak. I've been in this business fifteen years.
(What's your name?)
FUCK YOU, that's my name!! You know why, Mister? 'Cause you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar BMW. That's my name!!
And your name is "you're wanting." And you can't play in a man's game. You can't elect your candidates. (at a near whisper) And you go home and tell your wife your troubles. (to everyone again) Because only one thing counts in this life! Get them to vote on the line which is party! You hear me, you fucking faggots?
A-B-V. A-always, B-be, V-voting. Always be voting! Always be voting!! A-I-D-A. Attention, interest, decision, action. Attention -- do I have your attention? Interest -- are you interested? I know you are because it's vote or walk. You vote or you hit the bricks! Decision -- have you made your decision for Christ?!! And action. A-I-D-A; get out there!! You got the voters comin' in; you think they came in to get out of the rain? Guy doesn't start thinking conservative unless he wants to vote conservative. Sitting out there waiting to elect conservatives! Are you gonna take it? Are you man enough to take it?
What's the problem pal? You.
You see this watch? You see this watch?
That watch cost more than your car. I made $970,000 last year. How much you make? You see, pal, that's who I am. And you're nothing. Nice guy? I don't give a shit. Good father? Fuck you -- go home and play with your kids!!
You wanna work here? Vote!!
You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse, you cocksucker? You can't take this -- how can you take the abuse you get election night?! You don't like it -- leave. I can go out there tonight with the materials you got, elect ten candidates! Tonight! In two hours! Can you? Can you? Go and do likewise! A-I-D-A!! Get mad! You sons of bitches! Get mad!! You know what it takes to get elected?
It takes brass balls to get your candidate elected.
Go and do likewise, gents. The votes are out there, you pick them up, they're yours. You don't--I have no sympathy for you. You wanna go out and vote in two years and close, close, it's yours. If not you're going to be shining my shoes. Bunch of losers sitting around in a bar. (in a mocking weak voice) "Oh yeah, I used to vote, it's a tough racket."
Well, I'm going anyway. Let's talk about something important!
Put that coffee down!! Coffee's for voters only.
Do you think I'm fucking with you? I am not fucking with you. I'm here from downtown. I'm here from Mitch and John. And I'm here on a mission of mercy. Your name's Ace?
You call yourself a conservative, you son of a bitch?
(I don't have to listen to this shit.)
You certainly don't pal. 'Cause the good news is -- you're fired. The bad news is you've got, all you got, just two years to regain your party, starting tonight. Starting with tonights sit. Oh, have I got your attention now? Good. 'Cause we're adding a little something to this years primary. As you all know, first prize is a decent fucking candidate. Anyone want to see second prize? Second prize's a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired. You get the picture? You're laughing now? You got candidates. Mitch and John paid good money. Get their names and vote for them! You can't elect the candidates you're given, you can't elect shit, you ARE shit, hit the bricks pal and beat it 'cause you are going out!!!
(The party's weak.)
'The party's weak.' Fucking party's weak? You're weak. I've been in this business fifteen years.
(What's your name?)
FUCK YOU, that's my name!! You know why, Mister? 'Cause you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar BMW. That's my name!!
And your name is "you're wanting." And you can't play in a man's game. You can't elect your candidates. (at a near whisper) And you go home and tell your wife your troubles. (to everyone again) Because only one thing counts in this life! Get them to vote on the line which is party! You hear me, you fucking faggots?
A-B-V. A-always, B-be, V-voting. Always be voting! Always be voting!! A-I-D-A. Attention, interest, decision, action. Attention -- do I have your attention? Interest -- are you interested? I know you are because it's vote or walk. You vote or you hit the bricks! Decision -- have you made your decision for Christ?!! And action. A-I-D-A; get out there!! You got the voters comin' in; you think they came in to get out of the rain? Guy doesn't start thinking conservative unless he wants to vote conservative. Sitting out there waiting to elect conservatives! Are you gonna take it? Are you man enough to take it?
What's the problem pal? You.
You see this watch? You see this watch?
That watch cost more than your car. I made $970,000 last year. How much you make? You see, pal, that's who I am. And you're nothing. Nice guy? I don't give a shit. Good father? Fuck you -- go home and play with your kids!!
You wanna work here? Vote!!
You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse, you cocksucker? You can't take this -- how can you take the abuse you get election night?! You don't like it -- leave. I can go out there tonight with the materials you got, elect ten candidates! Tonight! In two hours! Can you? Can you? Go and do likewise! A-I-D-A!! Get mad! You sons of bitches! Get mad!! You know what it takes to get elected?
It takes brass balls to get your candidate elected.
Go and do likewise, gents. The votes are out there, you pick them up, they're yours. You don't--I have no sympathy for you. You wanna go out and vote in two years and close, close, it's yours. If not you're going to be shining my shoes. Bunch of losers sitting around in a bar. (in a mocking weak voice) "Oh yeah, I used to vote, it's a tough racket."
Posted by: Bruce Jenner's Plastic Vag at March 18, 2015 10:25 PM (ZgXPR)
714
Well, at long last, Ace finally admits that Sarah Palin wasn't the problem with the GOP after all. It was her enemies who ran the party.
Posted by: section9 at March 18, 2015 10:25 PM (CUoon)
715
This is one of the most depressing posts I've ever read, and at the same time exhilarating. I agree with it completely and have since I gave up on the GOP after 2012. I too was simply all out of fucks to give. I stopped posting here then, though I still read the comments (RIP Breitbart) regularly, and Ace too. Even when I gave up, I secretly hoped that I was being a sore loser, and that I'd be proven wrong and the GOP wouldn't keep F-ing us in the A, but sadly that isn't the case.
Decline is here, it's just down to who's going to manage it. And I no longer give a fuck who that is.
Well said Ace. Please post movie reviews now and then. Those are fun.
Decline is here, it's just down to who's going to manage it. And I no longer give a fuck who that is.
Well said Ace. Please post movie reviews now and then. Those are fun.
Posted by: Ms Choksondik at March 18, 2015 10:26 PM (ZxVJD)
716
Posted by: I don't have one at March 18, 2015 10:07 PM (KqnY1)
First of all, France didn't roll over in both world wars, just WWII. Secondly, the resistance fought the Germans who were occupying their country and a smaller number of collaborators.
In our cause we're fighting the ruling class of both parties and the collaborators are over 50% of the population. We're just talking Americans now. Then you have ISIS, Putin etc,..., all the governments and peoples around the world who wish to see America fail - and you realize our own President is in league with them.
No, we don't have men in jackboots marching down the street yet. But the resistance knew there were millions outside of France who were on their side and against tyranny. The resistence couldn't have beaten the Germans all by themselves.
Who is allied with us? It's not a good analogy.
First of all, France didn't roll over in both world wars, just WWII. Secondly, the resistance fought the Germans who were occupying their country and a smaller number of collaborators.
In our cause we're fighting the ruling class of both parties and the collaborators are over 50% of the population. We're just talking Americans now. Then you have ISIS, Putin etc,..., all the governments and peoples around the world who wish to see America fail - and you realize our own President is in league with them.
No, we don't have men in jackboots marching down the street yet. But the resistance knew there were millions outside of France who were on their side and against tyranny. The resistence couldn't have beaten the Germans all by themselves.
Who is allied with us? It's not a good analogy.
Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at March 18, 2015 10:26 PM (+XMAD)
717
547
Obamacare is like any entitlement. You have to be mean and take it
from any sob story example (sick kids with cancer, single young women
who were raped, two people who love each other but both have cocks!!!)
You're a hater and a cheapskate, which is no way to win elections. So,
go with the cool kids with powerful lobbyists and whores in the media.
The difference between the GOPe and us is the
noblesse oblige. They actually feel as if they're responsible for the
"poor". They just don't use their own money.
Posted by: AmishDude at March 18, 2015 09:43 PM (PSNxx)
I have dealt with being called mean, and racist (because no amnesty) AND homophobic (cause actions are always a choice, marriage is a sacrament and children need a mother and a father) so often, that I don't even feel it anymore.
It does remind me of that scene from the movie Annie (the good one with Carole Burnett). Carole Burnett as Mrs. Hanagan is talking to Mr. Warbuck's secretary about what orphan they would be taking in. The secretary describes Annie and Mrs. Hanagan says "Annie? You don't want Annie...she's a.... she's a... DRUNK.
We cannot allow being called names that are obviously not true to change what we need to do.
Obamacare is like any entitlement. You have to be mean and take it
from any sob story example (sick kids with cancer, single young women
who were raped, two people who love each other but both have cocks!!!)
You're a hater and a cheapskate, which is no way to win elections. So,
go with the cool kids with powerful lobbyists and whores in the media.
The difference between the GOPe and us is the
noblesse oblige. They actually feel as if they're responsible for the
"poor". They just don't use their own money.
Posted by: AmishDude at March 18, 2015 09:43 PM (PSNxx)
I have dealt with being called mean, and racist (because no amnesty) AND homophobic (cause actions are always a choice, marriage is a sacrament and children need a mother and a father) so often, that I don't even feel it anymore.
It does remind me of that scene from the movie Annie (the good one with Carole Burnett). Carole Burnett as Mrs. Hanagan is talking to Mr. Warbuck's secretary about what orphan they would be taking in. The secretary describes Annie and Mrs. Hanagan says "Annie? You don't want Annie...she's a.... she's a... DRUNK.
We cannot allow being called names that are obviously not true to change what we need to do.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 18, 2015 10:28 PM (5DGKy)
718
(BTW, Beck told the NRA it is him or jihadi Grover Norquist.)
Posted by: yet another Amos Singletary guy at March 18, 2015 10:15 PM (XBF+S)
688 "http://tinyurl.com/k5fnt6k"
The NRA has been one of the only forces on the right who have actually won and made America better.
What has Beck done?
Posted by: yet another Amos Singletary guy at March 18, 2015 10:15 PM (XBF+S)
688 "http://tinyurl.com/k5fnt6k"
The NRA has been one of the only forces on the right who have actually won and made America better.
What has Beck done?
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 18, 2015 10:28 PM (0Ew3K)
719
"Well, at long last, Ace finally admits that Sarah Palin wasn't the
problem with the GOP after all. It was her enemies who ran the party."
History starts at August 30th, 2008 for Palinstas.
problem with the GOP after all. It was her enemies who ran the party."
History starts at August 30th, 2008 for Palinstas.
Posted by: Shoot Me at March 18, 2015 10:29 PM (EQcfE)
720
Ehhh, maybe. I agree Louisiana would be a good test bed for it. Maybe OK. AL.
Posted by: Shit Midas at March 18, 2015 10:15 PM (FBT67)
I choose Louisiana because it has a jungle primary that would prevent a Dem from winning on a bare plurality of the vote.
Posted by: Shit Midas at March 18, 2015 10:15 PM (FBT67)
I choose Louisiana because it has a jungle primary that would prevent a Dem from winning on a bare plurality of the vote.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 18, 2015 10:30 PM (0Ew3K)
721
551
Posted by: redbanzai at March 18, 2015 09:37 PM (5DGKy
Whatever you are drinking, snorting, smoking or shooting up, pass it around. Don't bogart that enthusiasm
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 09:44 PM (znRvO)
High on life man, high on life;-)
Posted by: redbanzai at March 18, 2015 09:37 PM (5DGKy
Whatever you are drinking, snorting, smoking or shooting up, pass it around. Don't bogart that enthusiasm
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitaran, Wis momee at March 18, 2015 09:44 PM (znRvO)
High on life man, high on life;-)
Posted by: redbanzai at March 18, 2015 10:30 PM (5DGKy)
722
Has Df82 been banned yet?
Posted by: The Guy Who Asks If Df82 Has Been Banned Yet. at March 18, 2015 10:31 PM (gtD3p)
723
Kerry finds 50K votes in car trunks and wins Ohio and unseats Bush in 2004. Immediately withdraws from Iraq. Iraq descends into total chaos. American voters strongly support the GOP against Kerry in the 2006 midterm election. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid never become the leaders of their respective chambers. Barack Obama is elected to the Senate thanks to GOP ineptitude but opts not to run for President in '08.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 18, 2015 10:25 PM (noWW6)
If Kerry won in '04, guns would have been made illegal, and all the idjits dreaming of armed revolt would be dead.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 18, 2015 10:25 PM (noWW6)
If Kerry won in '04, guns would have been made illegal, and all the idjits dreaming of armed revolt would be dead.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 18, 2015 10:31 PM (0Ew3K)
724
722 Posted by: The Guy Who Asks If Df82 Has Been Banned Yet. at March 18, 2015 10:31 PM (gtD3p)
Indeed....
and where are the pictures of Ace's nutsack and out of focus rusty shit from Bike Point of View...
Jharles has a selfie stick....Ace has hobo skins.
Indeed....
and where are the pictures of Ace's nutsack and out of focus rusty shit from Bike Point of View...
Jharles has a selfie stick....Ace has hobo skins.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at March 18, 2015 10:32 PM (/4AZU)
725
In every abusive relationship you choose to get out or go mad. It is like shedding an anchor.
Posted by: Madamex at March 18, 2015 10:33 PM (yoxJL)
726
I can understand, agree, and support pretty much everything Ace says here. He's by far my favorite thinker and writer, I'm a total fangirl.
But I'm also a trusting soul, and choose to be a naive optimist.
Now I know that Ace intentionally lied to me. He didn't try to explain, or remain honest, and just state the truth. He actively lied.
That makes me sadder than anything I could have read.
It will shadow everything I read here. What a sad day - for me. Which I know doesn't matter to anyone else, but it matters a hell of a lot to me.
But I'm also a trusting soul, and choose to be a naive optimist.
Now I know that Ace intentionally lied to me. He didn't try to explain, or remain honest, and just state the truth. He actively lied.
That makes me sadder than anything I could have read.
It will shadow everything I read here. What a sad day - for me. Which I know doesn't matter to anyone else, but it matters a hell of a lot to me.
Posted by: Less at March 18, 2015 10:34 PM (PGXeZ)
727
THE FATE OF EMPIRES and SEARCH FOR SURVIVAL by Sir John Glubb (pdf file)
http://tinyurl.com/lsjvce9
http://tinyurl.com/lsjvce9
Posted by: despair at March 18, 2015 10:35 PM (J6suc)
728
Rhomboid @ 711: "And then the (myriad) implementation illegalities, no number there because they are still being perpetrated on an ongoing basis."
Totally different story.
Obamacare is law, and it was made into a law in the way that laws are supposed to be made. (In the Schoolhouse Rock sense, at least.)
The exemptions, variances, special considerations and other irregularities - that's what gets my dander up. If we're to be a society governed by law, then so be it: Let's all of us be governed by whatever laws we have, no exceptions.
Repeal Obamacare? Fine, let's do it if it's realistic. But the next time the Democrats have the White House, the Senate and the House of Representatives at the same time, Affordable Care Act II will become law. Would you rather have WarrenCare?
Totally different story.
Obamacare is law, and it was made into a law in the way that laws are supposed to be made. (In the Schoolhouse Rock sense, at least.)
The exemptions, variances, special considerations and other irregularities - that's what gets my dander up. If we're to be a society governed by law, then so be it: Let's all of us be governed by whatever laws we have, no exceptions.
Repeal Obamacare? Fine, let's do it if it's realistic. But the next time the Democrats have the White House, the Senate and the House of Representatives at the same time, Affordable Care Act II will become law. Would you rather have WarrenCare?
Posted by: FireHorse at March 18, 2015 10:40 PM (lHZsI)
729
Eh, for what it's worth, I thought that Ace was clearly signalling that he was offering up happy-talk most election cycles, Less.
I don't think he's a fallen monster or anything.
I just really, really don't think we should be romanticizing jerking off into dirty socks as some sort of alternative.
Because that's... my thing.
I don't think he's a fallen monster or anything.
I just really, really don't think we should be romanticizing jerking off into dirty socks as some sort of alternative.
Because that's... my thing.
Posted by: basicbv at March 18, 2015 10:42 PM (kQ364)
730
637
I quit in 2014. Voted Libertarian in VA. Tough luck Gillespie.
Posted by: Doug at March 18, 2015 09:58 PM (QmzEi)
Thank you!
You indirect support will be promptly forgotten when we send you to the gulag.
But as a consolation prize, will give you this nice shiny shiv and put you in the same camp as Ed Giillespie!Posted by: The DNC at March 18, 2015 10:02 PM (0Ew3K)
Gillespie needed to lose badly... he was huge for amnesty, approved of Obamacare and was a giant Enron slimed sleaze. I'd rather the democrats in Congress not have an R after their names.
I quit in 2014. Voted Libertarian in VA. Tough luck Gillespie.
Posted by: Doug at March 18, 2015 09:58 PM (QmzEi)
Thank you!
You indirect support will be promptly forgotten when we send you to the gulag.
But as a consolation prize, will give you this nice shiny shiv and put you in the same camp as Ed Giillespie!Posted by: The DNC at March 18, 2015 10:02 PM (0Ew3K)
Gillespie needed to lose badly... he was huge for amnesty, approved of Obamacare and was a giant Enron slimed sleaze. I'd rather the democrats in Congress not have an R after their names.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 18, 2015 10:43 PM (5DGKy)
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728
Rhomboid @ 711: "And then the (myriad) implementation illegalities, no
number there because they are still being perpetrated on an ongoing
basis."
Totally different story.
Obamacare is law, and it was made into a law in the way that laws
are supposed to be made. (In the Schoolhouse Rock sense, at least.)
The exemptions, variances, special considerations and other
irregularities - that's what gets my dander up. If we're to be a society
governed by law, then so be it: Let's all of us be governed by whatever
laws we have, no exceptions.
Repeal Obamacare? Fine, let's do it if it's realistic. But the next
time the Democrats have the White House, the Senate and the House of
Representatives at the same time, Affordable Care Act II will become
law. Would you rather have WarrenCare?
Posted by: FireHorse at March 18, 2015 10:40 PM (lHZsI)
This message brought to you by Pfizer, HCA and deadbeats of America.
Rhomboid @ 711: "And then the (myriad) implementation illegalities, no
number there because they are still being perpetrated on an ongoing
basis."
Totally different story.
Obamacare is law, and it was made into a law in the way that laws
are supposed to be made. (In the Schoolhouse Rock sense, at least.)
The exemptions, variances, special considerations and other
irregularities - that's what gets my dander up. If we're to be a society
governed by law, then so be it: Let's all of us be governed by whatever
laws we have, no exceptions.
Repeal Obamacare? Fine, let's do it if it's realistic. But the next
time the Democrats have the White House, the Senate and the House of
Representatives at the same time, Affordable Care Act II will become
law. Would you rather have WarrenCare?
Posted by: FireHorse at March 18, 2015 10:40 PM (lHZsI)
This message brought to you by Pfizer, HCA and deadbeats of America.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 18, 2015 10:45 PM (5DGKy)
732
So Donna,
They're to big to fight now? That's just what we need to think. Thanks for all your help.
WE CAN BEAT THEM! Quitters never win. That is a fact.
They're to big to fight now? That's just what we need to think. Thanks for all your help.
WE CAN BEAT THEM! Quitters never win. That is a fact.
Posted by: I don't have one at March 18, 2015 10:45 PM (KqnY1)
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redbanzai @ 731: "This message brought to you by Pfizer, HCA and deadbeats of America."
Damn skippy. I'm in the back pocket of Big Deadbeat.
Damn skippy. I'm in the back pocket of Big Deadbeat.
Posted by: FireHorse at March 18, 2015 10:48 PM (lHZsI)
734
"Abandoning the GOP is not the same as abandoning the USA."
I didn't abandon the USA. It abandoned me. Stop being afraid of countries.
I didn't abandon the USA. It abandoned me. Stop being afraid of countries.
Posted by: Shoot Me at March 18, 2015 10:49 PM (EQcfE)
735
112 "I'm now resigned to the fact that we're all about to face a time unlike any other in the country's history. Call it Burning Times, the Tribulation, whatever. The end result will be a near-totalitarian, leftist dictatorship."
And there will be no America to liberate us.
And there will be no America to liberate us.
Posted by: despair at March 18, 2015 10:55 PM (J6suc)
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 18, 2015 11:00 PM (rwI+c)
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687 (BTW, Beck told the NRA it is him or jihadi Grover Norquist.)
Posted by: yet another Amos Singletary guy at March 18, 2015 10:15 PM (XBF+S)
Grover Norquist needs to be deported to ISIS-land.
Posted by: yet another Amos Singletary guy at March 18, 2015 10:15 PM (XBF+S)
Grover Norquist needs to be deported to ISIS-land.
Posted by: rickl at March 18, 2015 11:01 PM (sdi6R)
738
to vote for mccain.
Again - I voted for McCain to die, he still hasn't fulfilled the most obvious point of his campaign.
Again - I voted for McCain to die, he still hasn't fulfilled the most obvious point of his campaign.
Posted by: DaveA at March 18, 2015 11:04 PM (DL2i+)
739
I voted for Sarah! in 2008. Best vote I ever cast.
Posted by: rickl at March 18, 2015 11:06 PM (sdi6R)
740
See my #284.
I have a lot to be ashamed of in my voting history, but my vote for Sarah Palin in 2008 is not one of them.
I have a lot to be ashamed of in my voting history, but my vote for Sarah Palin in 2008 is not one of them.
Posted by: rickl at March 18, 2015 11:11 PM (sdi6R)
741
"You guys claim to like Reagan so much? "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican." I guess you forgot that one."
===
Reagan was a great man, not a Prophet, and the "11th Commandment" wasn't a universal truth but rather a political strategy for a given time.
Cry in your orange Kool-Aid all you want, Buffy Team Spirit.
I'd like to think Reagan's rolling in his grave at how low your BMOC's have dragged his party. But frankly, if he would have been OK with this, I'd be damning him too.
That's the beauty of having a coherent political philosophy based on principles and policy rather than being a fanboi and cheerleader for Team GOP's latest True Conservative Man of Action, whoever he is this week.
How does it feel to base your politics on personality? Seems like the political equivalent of battered women's syndrome to me. Ace is saying "he's a pig, leave him" and you're standing by your man. Good luck with that.
===
Reagan was a great man, not a Prophet, and the "11th Commandment" wasn't a universal truth but rather a political strategy for a given time.
Cry in your orange Kool-Aid all you want, Buffy Team Spirit.
I'd like to think Reagan's rolling in his grave at how low your BMOC's have dragged his party. But frankly, if he would have been OK with this, I'd be damning him too.
That's the beauty of having a coherent political philosophy based on principles and policy rather than being a fanboi and cheerleader for Team GOP's latest True Conservative Man of Action, whoever he is this week.
How does it feel to base your politics on personality? Seems like the political equivalent of battered women's syndrome to me. Ace is saying "he's a pig, leave him" and you're standing by your man. Good luck with that.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 18, 2015 11:18 PM (QKIQb)
742
Welcome! My wife and I recommend you drink until the all-dead-inside feeling gets comfortable.
Posted by: Scott at March 18, 2015 11:22 PM (2uzHJ)
743
"Why does it matter which party controls the presidency? Three words: Supreme Court vacancies"
A conservative President put Anthony Kennedy and John Roberts on the Court. Based on who nominated them, we should have a rock-solid 5-4 conservative majority (Thomas, Kennedy, Scalia, Alito, Roberts).
And in case you think the Senate matters on that score, Ruth Bader Ginsberg was confirmed 97-3.
Three more words: Not good enough.
A conservative President put Anthony Kennedy and John Roberts on the Court. Based on who nominated them, we should have a rock-solid 5-4 conservative majority (Thomas, Kennedy, Scalia, Alito, Roberts).
And in case you think the Senate matters on that score, Ruth Bader Ginsberg was confirmed 97-3.
Three more words: Not good enough.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 18, 2015 11:25 PM (QKIQb)
744
Couldn't agree with you more Ace. I've been kidding myself for a while now, expecting the republican party to suddenly remember they're supposed to be, you know, Conservative. I am now onboard with the idea that the Dems aren't the problem and the Reps damn sure ain't the answer. Took a while but I'm finally there. I am no longer a republican. I have changed my political registration from R to I and have sent a short, sharp note to Congressman Stewart letting him what and why. No more volunteer hours. No more signs. No more support. No more money. Ever. Probably doesn't care but it made me feel better. A nice, clean break. It's not me it's them.
Posted by: Six at March 18, 2015 11:30 PM (qwZux)
745
So now the "let-it-burn" coalition has determined that it will burn no matter what happens between now and November of 2016. Congratulations on your moral courage. It is interesting to note that you would require of your theoretical acceptable candidate a strategy that you cannot formulate and a purity that you yourself fall far short of. Please carry on with your scheduled swathing of destruction.
Posted by: Immolate at March 18, 2015 11:43 PM (/Tq1J)
746
Ace, I don't think giving into despair is the way forward. I agree with everything you say up until the point of your conclusion: saying let it burn. We have to take the Republican Party over from the ground up, street corner by street corner, district by district, with constitutional conservative warriors like Mike Lee. To think this is a short term project indicates unrealistic expectations. This is an undertaking of a decade or several. The welfare state wasn't built in one election cycle and it will take just as long to dismantle it. But isn't liberry and our country worth fighting for?
Posted by: Ooh2BaGooner at March 18, 2015 11:45 PM (y1+Yt)
747
Fuck the chortlers
Posted by: john at March 18, 2015 11:49 PM (VekM5)
748
When 2016 rolls around, if there are still two turkeys on the ballot, a lot of Americans will be eating in.
Posted by: JohnMc at March 18, 2015 11:59 PM (RHBWt)
749
Ace - take a look at what happened in Colorado on Saturday. The Romney/establishment/drone GOP state chairman was ousted and replaced by a liberty guy.
Nearly everybody is frustrated with the GOP.
Keep an eye on Steve House (new chairman).
He is a sliver of chance at getting rid of the establishment. Interview him for the podcast?
Nearly everybody is frustrated with the GOP.
Keep an eye on Steve House (new chairman).
He is a sliver of chance at getting rid of the establishment. Interview him for the podcast?
Posted by: Ponderosa at March 19, 2015 12:05 AM (ibqf8)
750
They can change it Ace, they simply choose not to.
I am not quite ready to throw in the towel yet on them. Its the leadership that is the problem, and it doesn't appear we can fix this problem easily. Boehner and McConnell have to go, as well as most of their apparatus.
We need to pick our battles, stick to our guns. Things that matter little in the bigger picture are negotiable. Things that will drive us to ruin need to be reigned in and fixed or discarded. For that there can be no compromise.
Obamacare is badly broken. This much is obvious to any and every business owner whom writes checks to pay for their coverage. It has been causing massive disruption in the market place for years, and its about to kick into high gear. But we can fix it by removing the broken bits (most of it), and replacing it with something that works. What that is, I don't know.
But this requires guts, and intelligence. Not petty party power plays. That is all we are getting these days, and the democrats are watching us implode due to a timid leadership with no overarching roadmap.
I am still hopeful we can depose the morons and replace them with real leaders. But we may be burning up too much of this session to do it. If we don't have real leadership by summer, and a real plan of action that we follow, with real transparency, then I'll quit too.
It may be time to create a fiscally conservative technocratic party anyway. Pull away from the GOP which has become little more than a right of center mirror of the democrats, with all the same bad impulses on spending. I bet we could pull a good number of fiscally conservative "reasonable" democrats away as well.
Just a fantasy. Maybe we really are fucked. I dunno.
I am not quite ready to throw in the towel yet on them. Its the leadership that is the problem, and it doesn't appear we can fix this problem easily. Boehner and McConnell have to go, as well as most of their apparatus.
We need to pick our battles, stick to our guns. Things that matter little in the bigger picture are negotiable. Things that will drive us to ruin need to be reigned in and fixed or discarded. For that there can be no compromise.
Obamacare is badly broken. This much is obvious to any and every business owner whom writes checks to pay for their coverage. It has been causing massive disruption in the market place for years, and its about to kick into high gear. But we can fix it by removing the broken bits (most of it), and replacing it with something that works. What that is, I don't know.
But this requires guts, and intelligence. Not petty party power plays. That is all we are getting these days, and the democrats are watching us implode due to a timid leadership with no overarching roadmap.
I am still hopeful we can depose the morons and replace them with real leaders. But we may be burning up too much of this session to do it. If we don't have real leadership by summer, and a real plan of action that we follow, with real transparency, then I'll quit too.
It may be time to create a fiscally conservative technocratic party anyway. Pull away from the GOP which has become little more than a right of center mirror of the democrats, with all the same bad impulses on spending. I bet we could pull a good number of fiscally conservative "reasonable" democrats away as well.
Just a fantasy. Maybe we really are fucked. I dunno.
Posted by: V Putin at March 19, 2015 12:09 AM (80GjT)
751
"So now the "let-it-burn" coalition has determined that it will burn no matter what happens between now and November of 2016."
Sure, why not? I was a notorious RINOe on this blog because I figured having loser eRepublicans sitting in Senate seats would be better than having loser TeaRepublicans losing those seats, but even I've been let down by the past few months. I still thinks the base is wimpier than it thinks it is and blames others for its own mistakes, but since we're beyond screwed now, why not build a new party and see where the winners and losers fall? (Oh, and don't worry, I know I'm not invited.)
By the way, I don't think Ace is actually planning on a new party, only a protest one. This I'm betting will let down those who thought that getting rid of the Establishment would lead to instant success.
Eh, we'll see. I was wrong about McConnell.
Sure, why not? I was a notorious RINOe on this blog because I figured having loser eRepublicans sitting in Senate seats would be better than having loser TeaRepublicans losing those seats, but even I've been let down by the past few months. I still thinks the base is wimpier than it thinks it is and blames others for its own mistakes, but since we're beyond screwed now, why not build a new party and see where the winners and losers fall? (Oh, and don't worry, I know I'm not invited.)
By the way, I don't think Ace is actually planning on a new party, only a protest one. This I'm betting will let down those who thought that getting rid of the Establishment would lead to instant success.
Eh, we'll see. I was wrong about McConnell.
Posted by: Shoot Me at March 19, 2015 12:11 AM (EQcfE)
752
@ 741
"That's the beauty of having a coherent political philosophy based on principles and policy rather than being a fanboi and cheerleader for Team GOP's latest True Conservative Man of Action, whoever he is this week."
Many people believe they have a "coherent political philosophy," when in reality they are cheerleaders in disguise. Granted, they primarily cheerlead ideas, but not all those ideas fit comfortably together if you dig deep...which is the opposite of what is meant by "coherent." Not that knowing that will stop them. Because, you know, they alone of all men are truly coherent, and if you but understood the subtle mysteries of their beautiful mind...
Ironically, these people are often the first to openly tout the flavor of the month candidate (or officeholder) based on their agreement with an idea, thus both becoming a personal cheerleader and helping to create the bandwagon. Then, months or years later, the candidate (or officeholder) does something they don't like, at which point s/he is rebranded as a quisling -- or, in simpler terms, Teh Now-Enemie Who Msut Be Defeeted. See also: Marco Rubio; Chris Christie; and now, Scott Walker.
The surest sign you are dealing with one of these people is that they respond to others pointing out their (or their fellow travelers') behavior by touting their principled philosophies/stances, and either openly accusing or not-so-subtly implying that their attacker is placing people over principles. Which makes the ghost of Carl Jung smile.
TL;DR version: If you love the smell of your own farts so much, SI2B, then put on a gas mask, shove the tube up your own ass, eat some Mexican, and leave us out of your wankfest. kthanx
"That's the beauty of having a coherent political philosophy based on principles and policy rather than being a fanboi and cheerleader for Team GOP's latest True Conservative Man of Action, whoever he is this week."
Many people believe they have a "coherent political philosophy," when in reality they are cheerleaders in disguise. Granted, they primarily cheerlead ideas, but not all those ideas fit comfortably together if you dig deep...which is the opposite of what is meant by "coherent." Not that knowing that will stop them. Because, you know, they alone of all men are truly coherent, and if you but understood the subtle mysteries of their beautiful mind...
Ironically, these people are often the first to openly tout the flavor of the month candidate (or officeholder) based on their agreement with an idea, thus both becoming a personal cheerleader and helping to create the bandwagon. Then, months or years later, the candidate (or officeholder) does something they don't like, at which point s/he is rebranded as a quisling -- or, in simpler terms, Teh Now-Enemie Who Msut Be Defeeted. See also: Marco Rubio; Chris Christie; and now, Scott Walker.
The surest sign you are dealing with one of these people is that they respond to others pointing out their (or their fellow travelers') behavior by touting their principled philosophies/stances, and either openly accusing or not-so-subtly implying that their attacker is placing people over principles. Which makes the ghost of Carl Jung smile.
TL;DR version: If you love the smell of your own farts so much, SI2B, then put on a gas mask, shove the tube up your own ass, eat some Mexican, and leave us out of your wankfest. kthanx
Posted by: Demosthenes at March 19, 2015 12:16 AM (kNw9i)
753
Vote for someone who opposes everything I want and tells me so, or vote for someone who opposes everything I believe in and lies about it, or give up and don't vote? At this point, a pox on both houses is no longer sufficient. I'm going full (D) in Iowa 2016.
Posted by: Offended person at March 19, 2015 12:37 AM (N/iq5)
754
Reagan tore into Ford. Tore into him. 11th commandment? Frequently misconstrued by those who are cowards in the face of criticism.
Posted by: Dustin at March 19, 2015 12:55 AM (a7sQX)
755
@ 754
If you were trying to make the point that the Eleventh Commandment doesn't mean you can never hard-attack a fellow Republican...all you succeeded in proving was that Reagan imperfectly practiced what he preached. Just call it what it is, a regrettable instance of hypocrisy.
BTW, Reagan only "tore into Ford" after he lost the first few primaries. (Kind of a reversal of Henry Clay -- rather be president than be right.) And what did his violation of the Eleventh Commandment result in? A weakened nominee, trying to climb out of a huge hole after the conventions, who couldn't quite make it*...giving us President James Earl Carter. Yup. THAT ended well.
* To be fair to Reagan, there were a lot of much more important reasons Ford was in that hole -- the Nixon pardon, of course, and inflation, and serious uncertainty in foreign affairs. But Reagan's attacks didn't help.
If you were trying to make the point that the Eleventh Commandment doesn't mean you can never hard-attack a fellow Republican...all you succeeded in proving was that Reagan imperfectly practiced what he preached. Just call it what it is, a regrettable instance of hypocrisy.
BTW, Reagan only "tore into Ford" after he lost the first few primaries. (Kind of a reversal of Henry Clay -- rather be president than be right.) And what did his violation of the Eleventh Commandment result in? A weakened nominee, trying to climb out of a huge hole after the conventions, who couldn't quite make it*...giving us President James Earl Carter. Yup. THAT ended well.
* To be fair to Reagan, there were a lot of much more important reasons Ford was in that hole -- the Nixon pardon, of course, and inflation, and serious uncertainty in foreign affairs. But Reagan's attacks didn't help.
Posted by: Demosthenes at March 19, 2015 01:12 AM (kNw9i)
756
R's have never had enough votes, and never will have enough votes to repeal anything. That is why nothing ever changes. The country changes, the parties change with it.
Posted by: Jabba the Hut at March 19, 2015 01:19 AM (kUaiL)
757
I cannot describe how disguste i am with republicans.It took me a long time to realize that they will not let us be free.
Posted by: GARY HOLMGREN at March 19, 2015 01:21 AM (eWX7V)
758
Ahhh, looks like the fucksticks who like to toss "purity" around without a clue have reared their little pinheads.
We're to the point with the major issues that the country's economy is going to be permanently broken and the radical leftwing Democrat party is going to be gifted a permanent, undefeatable electoral advantage; or the nation's healthcare is going to be irretrievably broken and nationalized healthcare will be permanently ensconced.
That's not about "purity" you asshats, it's about survival and you still seem to think your precious GOP has a different set of goals. You're impervious to history, facts, results, and reason. You think magically and you're a part of the problem, not the solution you fantasize yourselves to be.
We're to the point with the major issues that the country's economy is going to be permanently broken and the radical leftwing Democrat party is going to be gifted a permanent, undefeatable electoral advantage; or the nation's healthcare is going to be irretrievably broken and nationalized healthcare will be permanently ensconced.
That's not about "purity" you asshats, it's about survival and you still seem to think your precious GOP has a different set of goals. You're impervious to history, facts, results, and reason. You think magically and you're a part of the problem, not the solution you fantasize yourselves to be.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 19, 2015 01:29 AM (xSCb6)
759
Seriously? You lied? I've been a GOPer since I was 18 - I'm actually Catholic and Distributist now in my 50's, which is a very far cry from where I was back in 1982, and not at all in tune with the Establishment GOP. I want a wealth tax of 10% on everything over $10 mil; I want all federal lands divvied up amongst the citizenry; I want an outright ban on abortion (it is barbaric murder - don't try to sugar-coat it); State-sanction of marriage is an insult to marriage; None of this is going anywhere right now with the GOP...but I stick with the GOP because, horrid as it is, it is still vastly better than the Democrats. I've defended the GOP and argued their cause - but I've never lied for them. I think the worst I've done is passed over in silence some of the more egregious stupidities of the party.
What did you expect? Elect Ted Cruz and Rand Paul and all our problems will be solved? That politicians would be honest? I'm reminded of G. K. Chesterton - "born", as it were, a Liberal in 19th century Britain he helped his party to a stunning and historic victory...and then when he and some other Liberals discovered that some of their leaders were hip deep in corruption, they exposed it...expecting that Liberal statements about honor, etc, were worth something...after that came the quote: "As much as I ever did, more than I ever did, I believe in Liberalism.
But there was a rosy time of innocence when I believed in Liberals." You gotta be realistic about these things.
Another wise man (the historian Edward Crankshaw) pointed out that no one is surprised when a century goes by without throwing up a Mozart or Michelangelo, but everyone gets incensed when governments and armies don't constantly throw up a Disraeli or Wellington...or a Napoleon or Bismarck (and fully understanding just how bad a Napoleon or Bismarck really is). There's just as much chance of a politician or general being a genius as there is of someone being a brilliant composer or artist - just about zero, at any given time. The people in there are just like everyone else - just as prone to greed, lust, envy and all the rest of the results of the Fall; and no more likely to be especially clever than anyone else out there. A set of circumstances led them to obtaining power - the same set of circumstances might have led you to obtaining power. Are you sure you'd have been any better at it? Maybe you would, maybe you wouldn't.
We do have some good people in there - and if they are what we hope, eventually one or more of them will emerge with the ability to shape events. Maybe its Walker; maybe its Cruz; maybe its Jindal...maybe it is someone we haven't thought of, or even heard of. We're on our 44th President - quick tell me which of them amount to genius? Washington and Lincoln, to be sure...who else? Maybe Reagan. If you get to 5, you're at a bit over 10% of the lot...the rest were just regular folks who managed to climb the greased pole...which does take some talent, but it also takes a lot of luck and things breaking just the right way. Churchill was clearly in 1914 the man best equipped to navigate Britain through the maelstrom of World War One - he was forced out of office in a shabby political move about 9 months after it started...clearing the way for a corrupt dunderhead (who, though, had an amazing ability to convince people he knew what he was doing) to mismanage the war and then screw up the peace. Churchill had to wait until 1940 for his chance - and he was handed the disaster, courageously got through it and restored the fortunes of his nation...and was promptly kicked out of office.
No one should just be a "party man" - but there is a purpose to a party in that it concentrates the mind. We know, on balance, that the disaster will be less than otherwise if the GOP is the party in power...and there is just that chance that with a bit of hard work and a run of luck, we'll find the necessary genius who can right the ship of State. Maybe we won't - but we won't, ever, if we just give up.
What did you expect? Elect Ted Cruz and Rand Paul and all our problems will be solved? That politicians would be honest? I'm reminded of G. K. Chesterton - "born", as it were, a Liberal in 19th century Britain he helped his party to a stunning and historic victory...and then when he and some other Liberals discovered that some of their leaders were hip deep in corruption, they exposed it...expecting that Liberal statements about honor, etc, were worth something...after that came the quote: "As much as I ever did, more than I ever did, I believe in Liberalism.
But there was a rosy time of innocence when I believed in Liberals." You gotta be realistic about these things.
Another wise man (the historian Edward Crankshaw) pointed out that no one is surprised when a century goes by without throwing up a Mozart or Michelangelo, but everyone gets incensed when governments and armies don't constantly throw up a Disraeli or Wellington...or a Napoleon or Bismarck (and fully understanding just how bad a Napoleon or Bismarck really is). There's just as much chance of a politician or general being a genius as there is of someone being a brilliant composer or artist - just about zero, at any given time. The people in there are just like everyone else - just as prone to greed, lust, envy and all the rest of the results of the Fall; and no more likely to be especially clever than anyone else out there. A set of circumstances led them to obtaining power - the same set of circumstances might have led you to obtaining power. Are you sure you'd have been any better at it? Maybe you would, maybe you wouldn't.
We do have some good people in there - and if they are what we hope, eventually one or more of them will emerge with the ability to shape events. Maybe its Walker; maybe its Cruz; maybe its Jindal...maybe it is someone we haven't thought of, or even heard of. We're on our 44th President - quick tell me which of them amount to genius? Washington and Lincoln, to be sure...who else? Maybe Reagan. If you get to 5, you're at a bit over 10% of the lot...the rest were just regular folks who managed to climb the greased pole...which does take some talent, but it also takes a lot of luck and things breaking just the right way. Churchill was clearly in 1914 the man best equipped to navigate Britain through the maelstrom of World War One - he was forced out of office in a shabby political move about 9 months after it started...clearing the way for a corrupt dunderhead (who, though, had an amazing ability to convince people he knew what he was doing) to mismanage the war and then screw up the peace. Churchill had to wait until 1940 for his chance - and he was handed the disaster, courageously got through it and restored the fortunes of his nation...and was promptly kicked out of office.
No one should just be a "party man" - but there is a purpose to a party in that it concentrates the mind. We know, on balance, that the disaster will be less than otherwise if the GOP is the party in power...and there is just that chance that with a bit of hard work and a run of luck, we'll find the necessary genius who can right the ship of State. Maybe we won't - but we won't, ever, if we just give up.
Posted by: Mark Noonan at March 19, 2015 01:40 AM (tKzEw)
760
As an aside, if anyone does want to form a new party, it'll have to be a Christian Democrat party - only way to siphon enough from both GOP and Democrats to make a difference (and, eventually, replace one of the two - probably the GOP). It will have to be working and middle class; it'll have to be firm on things like abortion and gay marriage (the answer is, "no"); it'll have to retain a rather generous welfare State (but with a work requirement); it'll have to go to war against the big banks and other large corporations; it'll have to be neo-isolationist but in favor of a strong military. It can be done - I'd be ok with it...but we'd need to find a way to raise a bucket of money right quick and convince at least 20% of GOP and 10% of Democrat office-holders to join up almost right away.
Posted by: Mark Noonan at March 19, 2015 01:50 AM (tKzEw)
761
I'm going to remain a Republican because they don't believe their lies.
Posted by: TexasJew at March 19, 2015 01:56 AM (5YE4e)
762
The real Ace has stood up, sounds like I may like him. More, please.
Posted by: doug at March 19, 2015 02:12 AM (IYEs/)
763
Ace: I've read your blog for years and even donated some money. Having seen these ups and downs before, I have to ask, in all seriousness (I'm not being snarky): Have you ever considered the possibility you might be mildly bipolar?
To me, your post is a cry for help. The good news is that help is readily available. I should know. For years I suffered from crippling panic attacks until I finally sought assistance from the right kind of therapist.
If you find yourself on an emotional roller coaster, you need to talk to somebody about it. Pick up the phone and make an appointment. Take the first step to better health. I say this in all honesty and with respect for your considerable talents and respect for what you've achieved.
And remember you're not alone in this. Many people are rooting for you. You have more supporters than you probably will ever know.
To me, your post is a cry for help. The good news is that help is readily available. I should know. For years I suffered from crippling panic attacks until I finally sought assistance from the right kind of therapist.
If you find yourself on an emotional roller coaster, you need to talk to somebody about it. Pick up the phone and make an appointment. Take the first step to better health. I say this in all honesty and with respect for your considerable talents and respect for what you've achieved.
And remember you're not alone in this. Many people are rooting for you. You have more supporters than you probably will ever know.
Posted by: sauropod at March 19, 2015 04:12 AM (tlO47)
764
I'm not sure whether my respect for Ace has gone up or down. I'm leaning towards down, even though he has come around closer to my ideology.
In the past, I just assumed Ace was too stupid or timid to actually see the world as it is. Anyone with moderate intelligence and the courage to say the emperor has no clothes should have been able to figure out long ago that the GOP exists purely to advance corporate interests, which are often aligned with leftist interests because the destruction of traditional social structures facilitates mass labor mobilization and consumerism. It's really not that complicated.
Ace has not really come to terms with the broader forces at play in the corruption of the GOP and the inevitable liberal march of history, but at least he isn't actively perpetuating propaganda about conservative political engagement mattering. If civilization is going to be dismantled, people deserve to at least experience the horrific thrill of realizing that 1984 is proving ever more prophetic.
But it's pretty pathetic to hear Ace desperately rationalizing his actions by claiming that he lied to his readers because he knew that they knew he was lying and that's really what they wanted... because, well, it would be too scary to admit that it was all lies. LOLZ.
It's classic transference. Ace was (and is) too scared to comfortably acknowledge the full scale of the problem, so instead of taking responsibility for his own lack of mental fortitude, he feebly reassures himself that he was just going along with what his readers expect of him and that nobody was really being deceived.
There is something disturbingly passive aggressive about a man confessing to his audience that he has been intentionally feeding them bullshit for years... while also admitting that he will continue to provide some further helpings of bullshit because he doesn't really feel like getting a real job.
Hey Ace, I don't blame you, capitalism is about giving your customers what they want. But it's a sad commentary on the caliber of your readership that you can basically jump up and down and tell them "don't read this crap, it's all lies, this is all political theater designed to distract you from what matters,' while still counting on them to come back and continue subsidizing your lifestyle by shoveling their faces with more of your shit. It's sort of the Two-Faces-One-Outcome of political scatology.
What I find most depressing is the automatic acceptance of half measures. If you really believe the world is burning, why do you feel compelled to keep your toes dipped in the water, pretending that democratic governance is sustainable and that it makes sense to continue following elections as if they involve something legitimate.
I dare you to try putting on your big-boy pants and taking the policy-sci red pill. Start by reading the Federalist Papers cover to cover, then come back and try to deny that America is a failed experiment. The Founders were objectively wrong about how the machine they designed would operate, and every time that we mention the Constitution with reverence we are pretending that we live in a different country and a different century.
The Rule of Law does not exist at the highest levels of sovereignty within our nation. The problem is not Obama; he is just the latest manifestation of the truth: everyone has collectively agreed that the Constitution does not actually have to be enforced by its terms, which is pretty much an inevitable moral hazard of giving judges and politicians the power to override the limits that supposedly exist on their own power.
You could create the most effective third party imaginable and it would ultimately be irrelevant, because you can't fix the structural problems with our system of government.
If you really feel like growing a pair of balls, go look up the actual scientific data on human biodiversity. Or will Ace and company continue to mock "social justice warriors" while conceding the entire substance of the real issues? Shit, if the world is going to end, at some point will we even be allowed to admit that it's natural to have an affinity for members or your own race, as a natural extension of the kinship one feels towards members of one's extended family? *MIND EXPLOSION*
Once you are off the reservation, you might as well try thinking for yourself...
In the past, I just assumed Ace was too stupid or timid to actually see the world as it is. Anyone with moderate intelligence and the courage to say the emperor has no clothes should have been able to figure out long ago that the GOP exists purely to advance corporate interests, which are often aligned with leftist interests because the destruction of traditional social structures facilitates mass labor mobilization and consumerism. It's really not that complicated.
Ace has not really come to terms with the broader forces at play in the corruption of the GOP and the inevitable liberal march of history, but at least he isn't actively perpetuating propaganda about conservative political engagement mattering. If civilization is going to be dismantled, people deserve to at least experience the horrific thrill of realizing that 1984 is proving ever more prophetic.
But it's pretty pathetic to hear Ace desperately rationalizing his actions by claiming that he lied to his readers because he knew that they knew he was lying and that's really what they wanted... because, well, it would be too scary to admit that it was all lies. LOLZ.
It's classic transference. Ace was (and is) too scared to comfortably acknowledge the full scale of the problem, so instead of taking responsibility for his own lack of mental fortitude, he feebly reassures himself that he was just going along with what his readers expect of him and that nobody was really being deceived.
There is something disturbingly passive aggressive about a man confessing to his audience that he has been intentionally feeding them bullshit for years... while also admitting that he will continue to provide some further helpings of bullshit because he doesn't really feel like getting a real job.
Hey Ace, I don't blame you, capitalism is about giving your customers what they want. But it's a sad commentary on the caliber of your readership that you can basically jump up and down and tell them "don't read this crap, it's all lies, this is all political theater designed to distract you from what matters,' while still counting on them to come back and continue subsidizing your lifestyle by shoveling their faces with more of your shit. It's sort of the Two-Faces-One-Outcome of political scatology.
What I find most depressing is the automatic acceptance of half measures. If you really believe the world is burning, why do you feel compelled to keep your toes dipped in the water, pretending that democratic governance is sustainable and that it makes sense to continue following elections as if they involve something legitimate.
I dare you to try putting on your big-boy pants and taking the policy-sci red pill. Start by reading the Federalist Papers cover to cover, then come back and try to deny that America is a failed experiment. The Founders were objectively wrong about how the machine they designed would operate, and every time that we mention the Constitution with reverence we are pretending that we live in a different country and a different century.
The Rule of Law does not exist at the highest levels of sovereignty within our nation. The problem is not Obama; he is just the latest manifestation of the truth: everyone has collectively agreed that the Constitution does not actually have to be enforced by its terms, which is pretty much an inevitable moral hazard of giving judges and politicians the power to override the limits that supposedly exist on their own power.
You could create the most effective third party imaginable and it would ultimately be irrelevant, because you can't fix the structural problems with our system of government.
If you really feel like growing a pair of balls, go look up the actual scientific data on human biodiversity. Or will Ace and company continue to mock "social justice warriors" while conceding the entire substance of the real issues? Shit, if the world is going to end, at some point will we even be allowed to admit that it's natural to have an affinity for members or your own race, as a natural extension of the kinship one feels towards members of one's extended family? *MIND EXPLOSION*
Once you are off the reservation, you might as well try thinking for yourself...
Posted by: TylerDraper at March 19, 2015 05:12 AM (4dYCv)
765
"The GOP is never repealing Obamacare or even trying hard to do so."
I did not know that.
I did not know that.
Posted by: m at March 19, 2015 05:25 AM (WIUGG)
766
We need to appreciate the supposed good points about Obama care? No point in being mad about The Establishment trying to marginalize, malign, and attack people that have supported them? With all due respect, Sir, this I can not do. The majority of the American people did not want Obamacare, but they shoved it down our throats anyway.
I will no longer vote Republican, true, but that doesn't mean that I will go quietly into that dark night of apathy. The Republican party has ceased to exist as an influential political entity in this country. We will continue to see its influence wane and dwindle over the years until it is gone for good. We all need to get to work building a new party to replace it. It will take hard work and require a lot of time and energy, but there is no alternative. There is no Republican party anymore. The party of Lincoln is no more.
I never thought for a moment that the Republican party would ever make any effort to repeal Obamacare. They like it! In addition, it is likely that the Republican party establishment was involved up to their necks in the IRS scandal. Of course, this is just a thought and do not have any proof to support this suspicion.
Like many others, I will not be back. I will never vote Republican again.
I will no longer vote Republican, true, but that doesn't mean that I will go quietly into that dark night of apathy. The Republican party has ceased to exist as an influential political entity in this country. We will continue to see its influence wane and dwindle over the years until it is gone for good. We all need to get to work building a new party to replace it. It will take hard work and require a lot of time and energy, but there is no alternative. There is no Republican party anymore. The party of Lincoln is no more.
I never thought for a moment that the Republican party would ever make any effort to repeal Obamacare. They like it! In addition, it is likely that the Republican party establishment was involved up to their necks in the IRS scandal. Of course, this is just a thought and do not have any proof to support this suspicion.
Like many others, I will not be back. I will never vote Republican again.
Posted by: Mistress Overdone at March 19, 2015 05:44 AM (2/oBD)
767
What in the fuck is the end game of Amnesty? Sure let's say big business donors pay off the republican party to support it for the "cheap labor". They do realize the democrats will push through higher and higher minimum wage laws. That "cheap labor" will become "put you out of business expensive labor" real fucking quickly. When that happens - you will have no recourse as a business owner. Have any of these people thought it through? Going fully commie by importing droves of little failures from other countries does not work out to well for the businessman.
Posted by: Reality Man at March 19, 2015 06:35 AM (BNEdd)
768
I have to ask, in all seriousness (I'm not being snarky): Have you ever considered the possibility you might be mildly bipolar?
Ever hear the expression 'it's natures way of telling you something's wrong'? Some ungodly percentage of Americans are on antidepressants. Why? Because they're sad? Depressed? Given up hope for a better future? The completely normal person will feel the full spectrum of emotions and enjoy the fleeting moments of elation and, if feeling depression, will work toward eliminating the causes of that depression.
That is what I see Ace doing here. Let's not encourage Ace to turn into Randle Patrick McMurphy, with medically induced scar line across his prefrontal lobe. Because I'd have to smother him with a pillow.
Ever hear the expression 'it's natures way of telling you something's wrong'? Some ungodly percentage of Americans are on antidepressants. Why? Because they're sad? Depressed? Given up hope for a better future? The completely normal person will feel the full spectrum of emotions and enjoy the fleeting moments of elation and, if feeling depression, will work toward eliminating the causes of that depression.
That is what I see Ace doing here. Let's not encourage Ace to turn into Randle Patrick McMurphy, with medically induced scar line across his prefrontal lobe. Because I'd have to smother him with a pillow.
Posted by: Chief Bromden at March 19, 2015 06:43 AM (xQX/f)
769
I left the GOP in 2010, and de-registered myself from the voter rolls after the 2012 elections. I'm going to be living in a different country for the rest of my life, so I say...F-it.
Posted by: Picasa Tucasa at March 19, 2015 06:44 AM (O2/ZM)
770
Every night the Washington Generals lose. And every night the Washington Generals get paid. Republicans - the new Washington Generals.
Posted by: Renfields Rat at March 19, 2015 07:44 AM (oiinp)
771
Beck wants an 'activist' goobermint. Note the lack of a ? there
So what makes what Beck wants (an activist government to do what THEY want done) any different from what dimocrap scum want (an activist government to do what THEY want).....??
Nothing. Except that dimocraps are the scum of the earth.
The idea, the goal should be, to keep the scum of the earth out of Office..... Numero Uno, Priority 1, First among firsts let's keep the scum of the earth out of office... umkay?
And what Beck (along with WAY too many others) is doing is fracturing the party allowing the scum of the earth to take political power away from Patriots and other Conservatives.
Know what Beck? FUCK YOU, you crybaby piece of shit.
Change your fucking diapers and grow a pair.
The Republican Party was NOT formed for your personal benefit. We don't exist today to please you.
Our goal is, and should be to keep the scum of the earth (yes they are, and you better wake up and see it) out of office.
If we do that, everything else is optional AFAIC.
You can raise all they hell you want and maybe I'll even agree with you and back you on a lot of things..... And maybe not.
But right now all you're doing is hurting America by tearing apart the only opposition the scum of the earth -- dimocrap filth -- Have
Thanks, douchebag
So what makes what Beck wants (an activist government to do what THEY want done) any different from what dimocrap scum want (an activist government to do what THEY want).....??
Nothing. Except that dimocraps are the scum of the earth.
The idea, the goal should be, to keep the scum of the earth out of Office..... Numero Uno, Priority 1, First among firsts let's keep the scum of the earth out of office... umkay?
And what Beck (along with WAY too many others) is doing is fracturing the party allowing the scum of the earth to take political power away from Patriots and other Conservatives.
Know what Beck? FUCK YOU, you crybaby piece of shit.
Change your fucking diapers and grow a pair.
The Republican Party was NOT formed for your personal benefit. We don't exist today to please you.
Our goal is, and should be to keep the scum of the earth (yes they are, and you better wake up and see it) out of office.
If we do that, everything else is optional AFAIC.
You can raise all they hell you want and maybe I'll even agree with you and back you on a lot of things..... And maybe not.
But right now all you're doing is hurting America by tearing apart the only opposition the scum of the earth -- dimocrap filth -- Have
Thanks, douchebag
Posted by: Uncle Rick at March 19, 2015 07:50 AM (ZbB1q)
772
Agree 100%. They have completely lost me-forever. It will be hillary and bush and I will stay home and drink! And try to prepare my children for the world they will inherit. What a f-ing mess.
Posted by: Kris at March 19, 2015 08:38 AM (GBD60)
773
Huh, the "shut up and sit at the back of the bus, but keep sending us money" Republican party. I was bitching about this attitude when John McCain was their presidential nominee. To quote a man, welcome to the party, pal!
I've been registered as No Party Affiliation (NPA) in Florida since I first moved here. 25 years ago. Prescience, I haz it.
Huh, the "shut up and sit at the back of the bus, but keep sending us money" Republican party. I was bitching about this attitude when John McCain was their presidential nominee. To quote a man, welcome to the party, pal!
I've been registered as No Party Affiliation (NPA) in Florida since I first moved here. 25 years ago. Prescience, I haz it.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at March 19, 2015 09:21 AM (1hM1d)
774
Chocolate
Posted by: monkeytoe at March 19, 2015 09:54 AM (3ZtZW)
775
everything but this...
"So now we should just start appreciating the Good Parts of Obamacare, because there's no sense being angry about something the Establishment has decided you can't change."
"So now we should just start appreciating the Good Parts of Obamacare, because there's no sense being angry about something the Establishment has decided you can't change."
Posted by: Shoey at March 19, 2015 09:55 AM (vA94g)
776
Ace,
I've been preaching this for years now: the only plausible way to move the GOP right is for conservatives to sit out an election cycle en masse in an organized and publicized fashion . . .
I've been preaching this for years now: the only plausible way to move the GOP right is for conservatives to sit out an election cycle en masse in an organized and publicized fashion . . .
Posted by: monkeytoe at March 19, 2015 10:07 AM (3ZtZW)
777
We would need bloggers, talk show hosts, etc. to join in and then would need conservatives to refuse a) to donate money to any federal GOP candidate or PAC; b) refuse to volunteer any time to ANY federal GOP candidate; and c) not vote for any federal GOP candidate; but d) still vote in local/state elections.
Posted by: monkeytoe at March 19, 2015 10:07 AM (3ZtZW)
778
That way, the GOP would see real numbers of conservative voters who voted in local/state elections but refused to vote in federal elections. They could not spin that away or ignore it.
Posted by: monkeytoe at March 19, 2015 10:07 AM (3ZtZW)
779
This would cause either a) the GOP realizing it must move rightward to earn the conservative vote and win elections or b) the GOP ditching the pretense at conservatism and instead try to compete with the DNC for left-of-center votes.
Posted by: monkeytoe at March 19, 2015 10:08 AM (3ZtZW)
780
Either way, we get our answer. If the GOP decided to openly go left, a lot of right-of-center LIVs would be open to a new conservative party.
Posted by: monkeytoe at March 19, 2015 10:08 AM (3ZtZW)
781
Absent doing the above, the GOP will never move rightward.
Posted by: monkeytoe at March 19, 2015 10:10 AM (3ZtZW)
782
Ace, as a popular conservative blogger you are in a position to get other conservative bloggers, talking heads, etc. on board with such a plan. If you truly believe the GOP is worthless as constituted, what do we have to lose by trying this? If you and Glenn Beck preached this - others would get on board. The GOP would pay attention then.
But merely venting once in a while (as you have done before) and saying "I'm quitting the GOP" accomplishes nothing, b/c the GOP will never believe it until it is organized and big.
There is a large contingent of people on this site and others who cannot fathom not voting republican, but we just have to ignore them. They are useful idiots for the GOP/left. they are more tribal in supporting the GOP than conservative, so they don't really care if conservative results are achieved or not.
But merely venting once in a while (as you have done before) and saying "I'm quitting the GOP" accomplishes nothing, b/c the GOP will never believe it until it is organized and big.
There is a large contingent of people on this site and others who cannot fathom not voting republican, but we just have to ignore them. They are useful idiots for the GOP/left. they are more tribal in supporting the GOP than conservative, so they don't really care if conservative results are achieved or not.
Posted by: monkeytoe at March 19, 2015 10:10 AM (3ZtZW)
783
Ace,
To make sense, you have to read 776-782 as one long comment. The site wouldn't let me post it as one comment, so I broke it up into several.
To make sense, you have to read 776-782 as one long comment. The site wouldn't let me post it as one comment, so I broke it up into several.
Posted by: monkeytoe at March 19, 2015 10:12 AM (3ZtZW)
784
Ace: Welcome to the dark side. I gave up being a Republican with No Idiot Left Behind and Medicare B.
Posted by: douger at March 19, 2015 10:17 AM (eM6QK)
785
The Republican Party was NOT formed for your personal benefit. We don't exist today to please you.
Posted by: Uncle Rick at March 19, 2015 07:50 AM (ZbB1q)
Well then, pull your diapers up and stop crying when we say we will not vote for the Republican Party. We were not born as slaves to the GOP and are not required to vote for a party that is no better than the Democrats.
Stop whining and crying that we "have to vote" GOP or else the Dems will win. Guess what, it is the same thing. They are both for Obamacare; Amnesty; deficit spending; never reducing spending; expanding gov't; and crony capitalism.
No difference. So your infantile argument that we have to vote GOP to keep dems out of office is just that - infantile. It has no meaning.
Posted by: Uncle Rick at March 19, 2015 07:50 AM (ZbB1q)
Well then, pull your diapers up and stop crying when we say we will not vote for the Republican Party. We were not born as slaves to the GOP and are not required to vote for a party that is no better than the Democrats.
Stop whining and crying that we "have to vote" GOP or else the Dems will win. Guess what, it is the same thing. They are both for Obamacare; Amnesty; deficit spending; never reducing spending; expanding gov't; and crony capitalism.
No difference. So your infantile argument that we have to vote GOP to keep dems out of office is just that - infantile. It has no meaning.
Posted by: monkeytoe at March 19, 2015 10:27 AM (3ZtZW)
786
****But right now all you're doing is hurting America by
tearing apart the only opposition the scum of the earth -- dimocrap
filth -- Have
Thanks, douchebag
Posted by: Uncle Rick at March 19, 2015 07:50 AM (ZbB1q)****
Only a blithering fucking idiot would examine all the available evidence and conclude that Republicans are trying to oppose the Democrat party.
You are the blithering fucking idiot.
tearing apart the only opposition the scum of the earth -- dimocrap
filth -- Have
Thanks, douchebag
Posted by: Uncle Rick at March 19, 2015 07:50 AM (ZbB1q)****
Only a blithering fucking idiot would examine all the available evidence and conclude that Republicans are trying to oppose the Democrat party.
You are the blithering fucking idiot.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 19, 2015 11:30 AM (xSCb6)
787
Progressives and the left never give up. That's why they keep winning. Even the single-issue promoters. Even if their party is slow to catch up, they win. There's the courts and most of all: public shaming. They won't stop 'til they get their way.
All I see here is a whiny bunch of losers.
Wallow in it. Crawl under your bed and cry 'poor me! poor me'. Drown yourself in a bottle. Weep for your uselessness.
ACE is absolutely the BEST RANTER we've ever had. It's pitiful to abuse his talents this way.
All I see here is a whiny bunch of losers.
Wallow in it. Crawl under your bed and cry 'poor me! poor me'. Drown yourself in a bottle. Weep for your uselessness.
ACE is absolutely the BEST RANTER we've ever had. It's pitiful to abuse his talents this way.
Posted by: Maggie at March 19, 2015 11:54 AM (kcQIp)
788
You know, you could always work within the party to pursue conservative principles, Ace. You could post action steps here and get people to get off their asses to take back the party instead taking your bat and your ball and going home.
Right? remember that? Work? Conservatives used to do that.
Right? remember that? Work? Conservatives used to do that.
Posted by: DrewM still sucks at March 19, 2015 12:19 PM (EgbCN)
789
We have been the minority fringe part of the party since FDR destroyed the prevailing status quo. Reagan has been the only conservative president. And naming H. as his VP, rather than Laxault or Kemp, ensured the Establishment would be back in control after his presidency ended. And it has been ever since.
The establishment coalesces around one candidate very early and lavishes him with money. Conservatives always fund lots of candidates: a neocon; a social con; a fiscal con, and a libertarian. None of which are nearly as well funded as the Establishment. And by the time the primary is over, they are all beaten up and hate the Establishment candidate so much many stay home rather than vote for him. I think Sean Trende did some serious analysis and estimated around 5 million conservatives stayed home rather than vote for Willard Romney.
What we need to do is follow in the Establishment's model and pick one guy. Put all of our money and energy into him. If that doesn't work, THEN hang it up. Write poetry or something.
The establishment coalesces around one candidate very early and lavishes him with money. Conservatives always fund lots of candidates: a neocon; a social con; a fiscal con, and a libertarian. None of which are nearly as well funded as the Establishment. And by the time the primary is over, they are all beaten up and hate the Establishment candidate so much many stay home rather than vote for him. I think Sean Trende did some serious analysis and estimated around 5 million conservatives stayed home rather than vote for Willard Romney.
What we need to do is follow in the Establishment's model and pick one guy. Put all of our money and energy into him. If that doesn't work, THEN hang it up. Write poetry or something.
Posted by: Scott at March 19, 2015 12:31 PM (Bk9Zz)
790
>>The GOP is never repealing Obamacare or even trying hard to do so. They will make false efforts at doing so which they can present to voters as a Good College Try, but aw shucks, we couldn't quite do it.
I've said this from the beginning. No way they're going to get rid of something that gives them so much opportunity for graft and corruption. They'll bitch about it to get votes, but in the end they're ruling elites and they'll do what's in their interests.
I've said this from the beginning. No way they're going to get rid of something that gives them so much opportunity for graft and corruption. They'll bitch about it to get votes, but in the end they're ruling elites and they'll do what's in their interests.
Posted by: Frank Black at March 19, 2015 12:43 PM (1n8Iq)
791
Thanks for saying it Ace. I've felt it for years.I've been conservative for decades and voted accordingly. But I could never actuallyjoin the Republican establishment. Some thing HAS changed.
Posted by: dano at March 19, 2015 01:32 PM (OBioD)
792
"For the past ten years of my life, I've made arguments, some of which I knew to be false, to defend and apologize for the GOP; I see now that I was a fool to do so."
Can't help but think this is what got me mad, then I called you a pussy; and you understandably but not justifiably made a Charles Johnsonesque struggle session of it. That was a number of years ago, I believe this is about my 4th visit to your site since then, twice from twitter Derb. Anyway, sorry I called you a pussy.
Can't help but think this is what got me mad, then I called you a pussy; and you understandably but not justifiably made a Charles Johnsonesque struggle session of it. That was a number of years ago, I believe this is about my 4th visit to your site since then, twice from twitter Derb. Anyway, sorry I called you a pussy.
Posted by: ccruse456 at March 19, 2015 01:48 PM (BPC7D)
793
Thank the Lord for people like df82. The rest of you are a bunch of sycophantic yes-man. It's generally a waste of time to read the comments here. Ace man, we know your FEELINGS are hurt and you MAD. But y'know - LIFE. Will the country be a better or worse place, if we flip off the Repubs?
Posted by: Jason at March 19, 2015 01:57 PM (kAu+T)
794
Will the country be a better or worse place, if we flip off the Repubs?
Posted by: Jason at March 19, 2015 01:57 PM (kAu+T)
Better.
Posted by: Jason at March 19, 2015 01:57 PM (kAu+T)
Better.
Posted by: monkeytoe at March 19, 2015 02:36 PM (3ZtZW)
795
monkeytoe - That's funny, pretty sure Hillary would say the same...
Posted by: Jason at March 19, 2015 02:42 PM (kAu+T)
796
Okay, I'm going to say it. YOU ARE NOT BEING HONEST about the debt. You lie just as much as the Democrats.
It's not the amount of debt, it's the amount of debt we owe to other than ourselves. What percentage of the $18 trillion is it? You probably don't even know. It just sounds better to scream "$18 trillion!"
The rest of it our children won't pay, they'll just pass it off to their children and so on. YOU KNOW THAT.
And so does Cavuto. But does he say so? No.
You can cry all you want about the 'Establishment's dishonesty, but you are dishonest too.
The Fed is never going away and neither is Social Security. Oh, there'll be changes and fixes but both are here to stay.
So for Pete's sake go for stuff that can actually be accomplished. There is nothing that can be done about Obamacare--whether repeal with an offramp or major fixes until Obama's gone. You KNOW that. But you still gripe about it.
And I'm pissed off too by the leadership who thought they could appease us by not funding DHS when they and we knew they couldn't pull it off because..'national security!'. So here's something we could do with the next President----break up DHS. Because the DEMS now can forever prevent us from any reforms in all the agencies involved.
First thing: put the Secret Service back into Treasury to give them pride back.
Just do it. Don't campaign on it. Campaigning by some on getting rid of the IRS scared those 'rogue agents' in Cincinnati though it wasn't all their doing.
Enough. I'm sure you can think of plenty more to do that is actually possible.
It's not the amount of debt, it's the amount of debt we owe to other than ourselves. What percentage of the $18 trillion is it? You probably don't even know. It just sounds better to scream "$18 trillion!"
The rest of it our children won't pay, they'll just pass it off to their children and so on. YOU KNOW THAT.
And so does Cavuto. But does he say so? No.
You can cry all you want about the 'Establishment's dishonesty, but you are dishonest too.
The Fed is never going away and neither is Social Security. Oh, there'll be changes and fixes but both are here to stay.
So for Pete's sake go for stuff that can actually be accomplished. There is nothing that can be done about Obamacare--whether repeal with an offramp or major fixes until Obama's gone. You KNOW that. But you still gripe about it.
And I'm pissed off too by the leadership who thought they could appease us by not funding DHS when they and we knew they couldn't pull it off because..'national security!'. So here's something we could do with the next President----break up DHS. Because the DEMS now can forever prevent us from any reforms in all the agencies involved.
First thing: put the Secret Service back into Treasury to give them pride back.
Just do it. Don't campaign on it. Campaigning by some on getting rid of the IRS scared those 'rogue agents' in Cincinnati though it wasn't all their doing.
Enough. I'm sure you can think of plenty more to do that is actually possible.
Posted by: Maggie at March 19, 2015 04:26 PM (kcQIp)
797
"But merely venting once in a while (as you have done before) and saying "I'm quitting the GOP" accomplishes nothing, b/c the GOP will never believe it until it is organized and big. "
I am sure the Communist Party USA also has no honest program and is indifferent to the needs of most Americans. But nobody cares, because they are just the Commies. It is entirely possible the GOP shrinks to that level.
I am sure the Communist Party USA also has no honest program and is indifferent to the needs of most Americans. But nobody cares, because they are just the Commies. It is entirely possible the GOP shrinks to that level.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at March 19, 2015 04:27 PM (8rRE+)
798
Progressives did not gain dominance over the Democratic Party over a few elections, or even a decade. They took decades working to place their people in key positions in media, education, entertainmént and government. Neither did they strike visable public profiles when attainng positions of influence. Intially, the bulk of the population were not aware enough to be alarmed.
Did you think turning the tide would be so easy?
Winning a few elections wont pry powerful people out of the castles. The progressives/socialists committed for their lifetimes. To win this long term battle;it will require the same high price package of a lifetime or two.
Did you think turning the tide would be so easy?
Winning a few elections wont pry powerful people out of the castles. The progressives/socialists committed for their lifetimes. To win this long term battle;it will require the same high price package of a lifetime or two.
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at March 19, 2015 05:29 PM (ZPA3o)
799
+100
Posted by: Maggie at March 19, 2015 05:46 PM (kcQIp)
800
AGGRAVATION x 10
Many of us have pointed out for a decade OR two that both parties are in bed with each other behind closed doors, and all we got for exposing it was abuse by deniers and naysayers. Now that the deniers and naysayers are tired of denial of the obvious, they want to throw a tantrum and say they Quit. That's damn sure not the answer to the problem once you finally decide to quit denying. Quit whining, get off your asses and get to work now that you finally have come to grips with the problem. Like those of us that cast away lie/deny and have been taking the problem to task for decades. FINALLY, DO YOUR PART, GET TO WORK, and catch up with us in this fight for survival.
Many of us have pointed out for a decade OR two that both parties are in bed with each other behind closed doors, and all we got for exposing it was abuse by deniers and naysayers. Now that the deniers and naysayers are tired of denial of the obvious, they want to throw a tantrum and say they Quit. That's damn sure not the answer to the problem once you finally decide to quit denying. Quit whining, get off your asses and get to work now that you finally have come to grips with the problem. Like those of us that cast away lie/deny and have been taking the problem to task for decades. FINALLY, DO YOUR PART, GET TO WORK, and catch up with us in this fight for survival.
Posted by: ron n. at March 19, 2015 07:08 PM (YVQn/)
801
I can pinpoint the exact moment I gave up on the republicans. Obama began 2013 with a flood of positive stories coming off his 2012 election victory. Then in the spring of 2013, all within a two week period, we learned that Eric Holder wiretapped the AP, Lois Lerner stole the election, and the NSA was spying on every law-abiding American 100% of the time. In two weeks, Obama went from his zenith to his nadir. It was a stunning reversal of fortune for the defeated republicans. Obviously, at the very least, the republicans would respond by obstructing everything on the grounds that Obama was an illegitimate criminal, right? Because that was now indisputable. No! Instead, the senate republicans concluded this two week period by helping the democrats pass what would've amounted to the largest tax increase in the history of the universe, the internet sales tax. I could no longer deny that the republican party was openly collaborating with the democrats to enact their far-left agenda. Even the world's most incompetent politician would've understood the propaganda value of these scandals all perfectly timed with each other. Instead of crushing our hated enemy, they threw him a bone. I did not vote in 2014, nor shall I ever vote for any republican ever again. They're traitors, and I'm done.
Posted by: Mikey at March 19, 2015 07:32 PM (2f/TW)
Posted by: Ex-pat in Oz at March 19, 2015 07:44 PM (CzuOb)
803
@ 390
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:11 PM (FBT67)
>> "Why does it matter which party controls the presidency? Three words: Supreme Court vacancies."
> Yeah, I'd almost be there with you but:
> Anthony Kennedy. David Souter. John Roberts. Harriet Myers.
> Alito and Thomas the sorta bright spots in there.
Oh, dearie dearie me! They weren't PERFECT!
Ask yourself: Who would President Fritz Mondale, President Michael Dukakis, President Al Gore, President John Francois Kerry, or (yecch!) President Edward Moore "Splash" Kennedy have appointed to the USSC?
@ 743
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 18, 2015 11:25 PM (QKIQb)
> A
conservative President put Anthony Kennedy and John Roberts on the
Court. Based on who nominated them, we should have a rock-solid 5-4
conservative majority (Thomas, Kennedy, Scalia, Alito, Roberts).
> And in case you think the Senate matters on that score, Ruth Bader Ginsberg was confirmed 97-3.
You go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had.
So ... After the Ruth Bader Ginsburg vote, did you phone or write your Senator to tell him or her what a bad move that was? Did you threaten to work to unseat the gormless, feckless assclown in the next election?
The Democrats don't hesitate to play hardball against the Republicans. (Look at the vote against Justice Thomas.) The Republicans will continue to be "collegial" until someone rubs their noses in their messes ... but you don't have to cut off those noses by helping to elect Democrats. The time to oppose the GOPE is in the primaries, not in the general election.
Full disclosure, truth in labelling, and all that: I'm not a Republican, I'm a registered Libertarian. But I usually vote for the Republican candidate when (A) it's a close race between the R and the D, or (B) the Libertarians have nominated a frakkin' lunatic, as we often do.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 18, 2015 09:11 PM (FBT67)
>> "Why does it matter which party controls the presidency? Three words: Supreme Court vacancies."
> Yeah, I'd almost be there with you but:
> Anthony Kennedy. David Souter. John Roberts. Harriet Myers.
> Alito and Thomas the sorta bright spots in there.
Oh, dearie dearie me! They weren't PERFECT!
Ask yourself: Who would President Fritz Mondale, President Michael Dukakis, President Al Gore, President John Francois Kerry, or (yecch!) President Edward Moore "Splash" Kennedy have appointed to the USSC?
@ 743
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 18, 2015 11:25 PM (QKIQb)
> A
conservative President put Anthony Kennedy and John Roberts on the
Court. Based on who nominated them, we should have a rock-solid 5-4
conservative majority (Thomas, Kennedy, Scalia, Alito, Roberts).
> And in case you think the Senate matters on that score, Ruth Bader Ginsberg was confirmed 97-3.
You go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had.
So ... After the Ruth Bader Ginsburg vote, did you phone or write your Senator to tell him or her what a bad move that was? Did you threaten to work to unseat the gormless, feckless assclown in the next election?
The Democrats don't hesitate to play hardball against the Republicans. (Look at the vote against Justice Thomas.) The Republicans will continue to be "collegial" until someone rubs their noses in their messes ... but you don't have to cut off those noses by helping to elect Democrats. The time to oppose the GOPE is in the primaries, not in the general election.
Full disclosure, truth in labelling, and all that: I'm not a Republican, I'm a registered Libertarian. But I usually vote for the Republican candidate when (A) it's a close race between the R and the D, or (B) the Libertarians have nominated a frakkin' lunatic, as we often do.
Posted by: Herp Mc Derp at March 20, 2015 01:07 AM (7QRNd)
804
The R on my voter reg is for Reagan. I tell Steve Scalise at least weekly that if him and Fake Tan and McDumbass want to start their own Shit Sammich Party they are welcome to do so. My congress critter is Fleming, he's no RINO. Vitter and Cassidy are on the Senate side and while they are not as conserative as i'd like them to be, both are better than Mary "Pretty Woman" Landrieu.
Posted by: hurricane567 at March 20, 2015 02:02 AM (WvmTs)
805
It makes me sad this is only the second reference to SMOD in this thread.
Posted by: T.J. at March 20, 2015 05:58 AM (LYuOn)
806
795 monkeytoe - That's funny, pretty sure Hillary would say the same...
Posted by: Jason at March 19, 2015 02:42 PM (kAu+T)
So? What is your point? That if republicans win what? What conservative results occur because of a republican win? This is the kind of useful idiocy that the GOP counts on. Keep supporting them even though they do the exact opposite of what they say they'll do. And tell yourself you are righteous for voting R.
As long as conservatives are dumb enough to keep falling for the GOP lies, the left wins.
Posted by: Jason at March 19, 2015 02:42 PM (kAu+T)
So? What is your point? That if republicans win what? What conservative results occur because of a republican win? This is the kind of useful idiocy that the GOP counts on. Keep supporting them even though they do the exact opposite of what they say they'll do. And tell yourself you are righteous for voting R.
As long as conservatives are dumb enough to keep falling for the GOP lies, the left wins.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at March 20, 2015 08:01 AM (3ZtZW)
807
Posted by: Maggie at March 19, 2015 04:26 PM (kcQIp)
Umm. Maggie - you do know that the "debt we owe ourselves" is in the form of things like bonds that American citizens and corporations hold and those Americans will want to cash in?
You pretend "the debt we owe ourselves" is imaginary debt. No, it is real. It will become due. It has to be paid or the people who purchased the bonds, etc. get screwed over - many older people who hold these things in their retirement savings, for instance.
So, no, your point makes no sense.
Umm. Maggie - you do know that the "debt we owe ourselves" is in the form of things like bonds that American citizens and corporations hold and those Americans will want to cash in?
You pretend "the debt we owe ourselves" is imaginary debt. No, it is real. It will become due. It has to be paid or the people who purchased the bonds, etc. get screwed over - many older people who hold these things in their retirement savings, for instance.
So, no, your point makes no sense.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at March 20, 2015 08:05 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: jason at March 20, 2015 09:37 AM (kAu+T)
809
Jason,
Go back and read my posts 776-782. I'm not saying don't vote for no purpose.
But, how does conservatives voting for the GOP defeat the left? If you believe the GOP winning majorities leads to a "defeat for the left", then you have a very strange view of reality.
The GOP raised the debt significantly during their last majority and is seeking to raise it again during this congressional majority.
The GOP increased the size of gov't.
The GOP is for amnesty.
The GOP will not repeal Obamacare.
The GOP does nothing about Obama's abuses of power.
The GOP votes for more entitlement programs and idiocy (No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D).
The idea that the GOP "defeats the left" is not based on any facts or reality. It is merely tribal thinking. You think "My team won, therefore we win". What you fail to do is determine if "your team" actually accomplishes anything conservative. Hint - it does the opposite of accomplishing anything conservative.
If increasing the size, scope, and cost of gov't is a "win" for conservatism in your eyes - you are not a conservative.
But hey - keep voting GOP no matter what. That sure has worked in the past.
Go back and read my posts 776-782. I'm not saying don't vote for no purpose.
But, how does conservatives voting for the GOP defeat the left? If you believe the GOP winning majorities leads to a "defeat for the left", then you have a very strange view of reality.
The GOP raised the debt significantly during their last majority and is seeking to raise it again during this congressional majority.
The GOP increased the size of gov't.
The GOP is for amnesty.
The GOP will not repeal Obamacare.
The GOP does nothing about Obama's abuses of power.
The GOP votes for more entitlement programs and idiocy (No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D).
The idea that the GOP "defeats the left" is not based on any facts or reality. It is merely tribal thinking. You think "My team won, therefore we win". What you fail to do is determine if "your team" actually accomplishes anything conservative. Hint - it does the opposite of accomplishing anything conservative.
If increasing the size, scope, and cost of gov't is a "win" for conservatism in your eyes - you are not a conservative.
But hey - keep voting GOP no matter what. That sure has worked in the past.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at March 20, 2015 10:30 AM (3ZtZW)
810
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/315397.php
Complaining won't fix the Party. Get inside it. Google precinct committeeman strategy.
Thank you.
Complaining won't fix the Party. Get inside it. Google precinct committeeman strategy.
Thank you.
Posted by: Cold Warrior at March 20, 2015 12:16 PM (hEIin)
811
It was a slow process for me too. As a hardworking minion, but as a faithful republican, I supported them in my small financial way and votes, but after they had the house, senate and presidency and did nothing I considered conservative, I quit giving. Last year, not seeing any conservative desire of the repubs, I changed affiliation to unaffiliated, still not supporting. I argued with my son-in-law that we must still vote. BUT now, if they, the repub apparatus, put forth a bush, christie or other weakling, I am resolved to not vote at all so to be unburdened with regret. I too am disgusted.
Posted by: Janie Anselmo at March 20, 2015 03:17 PM (EVau0)
812
"Go follow Beck into the wilderness. If tired, corrupt, incompetent Hillary-fucking-Clinton wins in 2016, the rest of us will know who to blame: you and yours. And if we win, you and yours deserve no say in future policies, because you proved yourselves to be selfish summer soldiers and traitors to the cause, more interested in your fucking *feelings* than in victory."
This right here is EXACTLY the kind of shit that I'm no longer falling for.
This right here is EXACTLY the kind of shit that I'm no longer falling for.
Posted by: FishingWithFredo at March 21, 2015 01:07 AM (j1pe7)
813
I've been on here for 5 years talking about what a POS party the GOP is and catching nothing but hell from the Ace faithful.
Forgive me if I've run out of pity.
Forgive me if I've run out of pity.
Posted by: Frankenstein Government at March 21, 2015 09:43 AM (TkDXM)
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