Good News: Mitch McConnell Is Playing Hardball <br>Bad News: It's Over Something You Probably Don't Care Much About

Good News: Mitch McConnell Is Playing Hardball
Bad News: It's Over Something You Probably Don't Care Much About

McConnell says he won't allow a vote on Loretta Lynch to be Attorney General unless the Democrats allow a vote on ~~cutting spending, overturning Obama's executive amnesty,~~ human trafficking.

Democrats don't like a provision in the bill that would prohibit funding of abortions which was unanimously agreed to in committee. Apparently Obama will veto this bill if the ban is in it (updated: they won't actually say) and the optics of that are bad so Reid is playing Crypt Keeper, er, gate keeper.

I guess it's nice to see McConnell trying to run the Senate but where was this on DHS/amnesty funding? Human trafficking is an abominable thing and the people who engage in it should rot in jail and then hell but....it's already illegal. People do rot in jail for this under current law. It's not as if without this bill it will suddenly be open season on the young and vulnerable.

But this is where Mitch elects to play this card?

If he'd used it on DHS funding he would have disabused the Democrats they could run the Senate this way the first time they tried it. Gee, it's almost as if he never meant to fight on DHS/amnesty.

It'll be interesting to see who blinks first here. I'm sure we'll be getting the full court "the Republicans are holding the first black woman Attorney General" spiel.

I know where I'm putting my money.

Related: Human trafficking isn't funny but might Harry Reid have some other motive for stalling this bill?

Posted by: DrewM. at 12:34 PM

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Posted by: dogfish at March 16, 2015 12:35 PM (1vYi0)

2 repost

So the bastards got caught using taxpayer money to oust Netanyahu, so reincarnated themselves.

See Grenell's video over at therightscoop.com in how they funded it, and over at freebeacon.com to see how One Voice created a new "entity."

the sob's keep getting away with this sh*t

just like ACORN

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 16, 2015 12:36 PM (IXrOn)

3 Probably because it doesn't affect his pocketbook.

Posted by: dogfish at March 16, 2015 12:37 PM (1vYi0)

4 McConnell is a jerk. There. I said it. I feel much better.

Posted by: mallfly at March 16, 2015 12:37 PM (bJm7W)

5 Republicans. Always with you when you don't need them. Never with you when you do.

Posted by: gm at March 16, 2015 12:38 PM (/kBoL)

6 How do you know you don't like human trafficking if you haven't tried it?

Posted by: Harry Reid at March 16, 2015 12:38 PM (l2max)

7 There is no traffic on Pedophile Island.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at March 16, 2015 12:38 PM (bH69Q)

8 McConnell is working hard for the American people when it means nothing to his personal finances.

Posted by: dogfish at March 16, 2015 12:39 PM (1vYi0)

9

Alternate headline: Turtle pokes head out of shell for a spill.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 16, 2015 12:40 PM (IXrOn)

10 " the optics of that are bad "

Here we have the reason for everything the GOP does--the Media. The Media is like the wife-beating husband. The GOP is the wife who claims that if she just puts up with it and never does anything to make the Media mad, the Media will love her someday.

Posted by: Null at March 16, 2015 12:41 PM (xjpRj)

11 So what does this law do better, or covers what wasn't previously? Ad are we stupid pro-lifers supposed to be grateful for this?

The US government shouldn't be funding abortion. If you wanna do this your body your choice crap, then do it yourself. That should be a viewpoint shared by left right and libertarians.

Either this person deserves a vote or not. By all accounts, the answer to that is no.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2015 12:41 PM (Spluw)

12 The Horde was asked recently about what conservatives policies we would be willing to compromise.

Odd, isn't it, that the democrats will never compromise on anything?

Posted by: Bollunde Roils at March 16, 2015 12:41 PM (OZOiw)

13 If Bibi loses, the pace of apocalyptic events will increase exponentially everywhere (esp. the ME) and they're progressing pretty quickly to start with.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 16, 2015 12:41 PM (TR90z)

14 Speaking of rottin' in hell, much is expected of those with great responsibility. Just saying GOP.

Posted by: dogfish at March 16, 2015 12:41 PM (1vYi0)

15 Do you have any idea what the going rate is for a healthy white child? We must need to import more to get the prices back under control.

This is the only case of supply vs. demand Harry can get behind. Literally.

Posted by: Chupacabras at March 16, 2015 12:41 PM (sPO/s)

16 You know what? I'll give the Republicans credit for standing up for the abortion funding prohibition.

Posted by: alexthechick - Reading. Like a me. at March 16, 2015 12:41 PM (mf5HN)

17 If he'd used it on DHS funding he would have disabused the Democrats they could run the Senate this way the first time they tried it. Gee, it's almost as if he never meant to fight on DHS/amnesty.
DrewM.

There you go.

See folks? That is exactly why the GOP needs our support and money. So we can get more of that.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 16, 2015 12:42 PM (XmOA9)

18 Theater. Showbiz for the ignorant.

Posted by: Soona at March 16, 2015 12:42 PM (/HX7u)

19 The Horde was asked recently about what conservatives policies we would be willing to compromise. Odd, isn't it, that the democrats will never compromise on anything?
Posted by: Bollunde Roils

Third question: What conservative policy hasn't been compromised in the last fifteen years?

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2015 12:42 PM (Spluw)

20 Great. I have a comment that I can keep re-using each thread since it still appears relevant. Hell, I'll just copy this into notepad in case the Republicans continue to betray us.

Remember happier times?

Like this: the 11-4-2014 Election Night Edition Ace of Spades Overnight Thread.

http://tinyurl.com/k73dkwn

Good times. Good drunken times.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at March 16, 2015 12:43 PM (AC0lD)

21 Why no, that is not a wedge placed into your coalition. Nope, I'm not asking you to make a choice between irking one faction of your coalition or another while making you look like you don't care about the victims of human trafficking.

Nope, not me.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Gov. Walker's Throne of Skulls! Replicas only at the Outrage Outlet! at March 16, 2015 12:44 PM (hLRSq)

22 If McConnell wanted to shut business down over Obama's Amnesty, he easily could have.

Not to sound like a tin foil hat lefty, but I really think the GOP is taking its marching orders from the Koch Brothers when it comes to illegal immigration. They are definitely behind a very "chamber of commerce" view on illegals that they are pushing on the leadership.

Posted by: McAdams at March 16, 2015 12:44 PM (dyFMa)

23 Like I said this morning, lots of folks are conflating "human trafficking" to include simple prostitution.

I don't know what this bill says, but I wouldn't be shocked if the end result is more federal involvement in local crime nonsense. If not anything else, then extra money.

Yippee. Thanks, Republicans!

Posted by: BurtTC at March 16, 2015 12:44 PM (TOk1P)

24 Baby steps.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 16, 2015 12:44 PM (j6e8f)

25 >>>>Third question: What conservative policy hasn't been compromised in the last fifteen years?
.
.
.2ND Amendment. In fact gun rights have been increased since 1968 especially in the States. Two big time SCOTUS wins at the Federal level one of which actually asserts the 2nd amendment is an individual right versus a collective right.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 16, 2015 12:44 PM (4oSLk)

26 They've gotta find some flippant bullshit ever now and then to huff and puff about to the keep the voters fooled.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 16, 2015 12:45 PM (LA7Cm)

27 Third question: What conservative policy hasn't been compromised in the last fifteen years? . . .2ND Amendment. In fact gun rights have been increased since 1968 especially in the States. Two big time SCOTUS wins at the Federal level one of which actually asserts the 2nd amendment is an individual right versus a collective right.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman

A fair point, thank you.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2015 12:45 PM (Spluw)

28 Frankly, it's penny ante. Near meaningless.

Which is right in Mitch's wheelhouse.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 16, 2015 12:45 PM (MMC8r)

29 16 You know what? I'll give the Republicans credit for standing up for the abortion funding prohibition.

Posted by: alexthechick - Reading. Like a me. at March 16, 2015 12:41 PM (mf5HN)

Will that bitch in the House force it to be pulled anyways?

Posted by: buzzion at March 16, 2015 12:46 PM (zt+N6)

30 I love my dream job: being a parasite on the neck of the American taxpayer whose job performance cannot be objectively measured. Maybe someday I'll run for Congress. I'll pick some rural district somewhere and convince all the yahoos that I'm a "conservative" Democrat (LOL!) and then spend the rest of my life on Capitol Hill laughing about my idiot constituents, hitting all the insider happy hours, and banging all of my interns until my last remaining strand of hair is gone from head. Life is good, peasants!

Posted by: Chief of Stuff, Dept. of Posterior at March 16, 2015 12:46 PM (7u7u7)

31 The Republican Party is a pathetic fucking joke.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at March 16, 2015 12:46 PM (lG2E3)

32 Mitch McConnell Is Playing Hardball...

Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!!

breath....

Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at March 16, 2015 12:47 PM (08Znv)

33 What legislative 2A wins have we had recently? We've made some good judicial gains, and some shitty bipartisan bills have been rejected, but how many positive gains have been made by Congress? Apart from letting the AWB expire?

Seriously, clue me in if you have any examples.

Posted by: Chupacabras at March 16, 2015 12:47 PM (5npD/)

34 Will that bitch in the House force it to be pulled anyways?
Posted by: buzzion at March 16, 2015 12:46 PM (zt+N6)

I have no idea.

Posted by: alexthechick - Reading. Like a me. at March 16, 2015 12:47 PM (mf5HN)

35 Third question: What conservative policy hasn't been compromised in the last fifteen years?

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2015 12:42 PM (Spluw)
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And conservatives reelected these crooks again and again and again. So why would they change anything?

Posted by: Elize Nayden at March 16, 2015 12:48 PM (NWYwq)

36
Like I said this morning, lots of folks are conflating "human trafficking" to include simple prostitution.

Not just that. They're working on conflating "human trafficking" with simple illegal immigration, painting the illegals as victims of "traffickers". On my drive from CA to TX a few weeks ago, I noticed a shitload of billboards on that very subject all across AZ and NM.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 16, 2015 12:48 PM (SpnVI)

37 The only upside is that the Searchlight Strangler probably can no longer see well enough after the "exercise band accident" to actually catch his victims. But then I guess that's what he has flunkies for.

Posted by: Stu-22 at March 16, 2015 12:48 PM (vd4oB)

38 If Bibi loses, the pace of apocalyptic events will increase exponentially everywhere (esp. the ME) and they're progressing pretty quickly to start with.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 16, 2015 12:41 PM (TR90z

Here I run the risk of being taken out of context again, but so what.
If Bibi wins, the chances of an apocalyptic event goes up, because Israel will fight for it's survival.
If he loses to someone who supports a two-state solution, then they vote for slowly being pushed into the Mediterranean. That's on them.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 16, 2015 12:49 PM (XmOA9)

39 Third question: What conservative policy hasn't been compromised in the last fifteen years? Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2015 12:42 PM (Spluw) --- And conservatives reelected these crooks again and again and again. So why would they change anything?
Posted by: Elize Nayden

Not all. Efforts have been made. Some were successful, others not. SOme were badly conceived, ad some miscarried.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2015 12:49 PM (Spluw)

40 From the sidebar:

OT: The Stache appraises the Iran situation - from The Hill no less.

http://tinyurl.com/k539b9t

Monday morning DOOM: raw, shrill, and in your grill.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 16, 2015 12:49 PM (5Un6g)

41 Eh,
If the republicans weren't actively stabbing me in the back on a regular basis I'd say "maybe this is the start of something small."

But problem is they picked this fight because they're fairly certain they can win it, in that sense it's like when Duke plays a D2 team, nothing there but fan service. The minute the going gets tough again, they'll jump ship (optimistically! In reality they're already plotting to back stab again.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) who misses sleep at March 16, 2015 12:49 PM (HDwDg)

42 The GOPe considers me, and the other SoCon voters to be saps.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 16, 2015 12:50 PM (rwI+c)

43 People do rot in jail for this under current law. It's not as if
without this bill it will suddenly be open season on the young and
vulnerable.

Yup, we have a couple of Mexicns rotting in jail here for running kidnaped underage girls from Mexico as prostitutes in a peach picking labor camp. They were prosecuted under SC anti-slavery laws.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 16, 2015 12:50 PM (wlDny)

44 McConnell is a jerk. There. I said it. I feel much better.

Posted by: mallfly

Mark Levin? Is that you?

Posted by: Moderate Salami at March 16, 2015 12:50 PM (/Ho8c)

45 And the fact that we already have these laws makes me wonder what they are trying to sneak in in that new law.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 16, 2015 12:51 PM (wlDny)

46 So if Bibi loses, will we be watching Israel vote for its own destruction?

They're ready to elect their own version of Bronco Bama, but at their size they don't have a lot of wiggle room for leadership that hates them.

Posted by: Boots at March 16, 2015 12:51 PM (l9mF2)

47 In summary ... Whatever the GOPe does, it sucks. Because just about everything the GOPe has done over the last few years has sucked.

I'm good with that.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 16, 2015 12:51 PM (W3hdj)

48 Oh, Mikey, you do have a gift for failed, anemic sarcasm.

Amnesty is 10,000 times more important, and 10,000 times bigger a wedge issue (if you can call a radioactive grenade taped to the Dem party's chest, merely a "wedge")than this brilliantly crafted McConnellsituation.

If disastrously irresponsible, lawless, racist vandalism of the country (amnesty) were something McConnell wanted to use to torture the Dems and actually put a sledgehammer on to the wedge in their "coalition", he could have done it. Instead, nothing. Not a peep.

This, after calling attention to the amnesty kabuki by conspicuously leaving it out of their also disastrously incompetent collapse on the CR.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 16, 2015 12:52 PM (afQnV)

49 Not just that. They're working on conflating "human trafficking" with simple illegal immigration, painting the illegals as victims of "traffickers". On my drive from CA to TX a few weeks ago, I noticed a shitload of billboards on that very subject all across AZ and NM.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 16, 2015 12:48 PM (SpnVI)

--------------------------------------------

This was my suspicion when I saw the headline. Just a another hidden pro-amnesty law.

Posted by: Soona at March 16, 2015 12:52 PM (/HX7u)

50 "Third question: What conservative policy hasn't been compromised in the last fifteen years?
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2015 12:42 PM (Spluw)"

Yes, you are correct. Therefore I conclude that sticking to one's principles is a losing proposition. I am persuaded. Pass me the hemlock, would you?

Posted by: Bollunde Roils at March 16, 2015 12:52 PM (OZOiw)

51 The leadership views abortion issues as little plays to the base, nothing else. Something to put in the mailers and next election commercials.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 16, 2015 12:52 PM (MMC8r)

52 Related: Human trafficking isn't funny but might Harry Reid have some other motive for stalling this bill?
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I'll say. Did you see my black eye? Kids these days...

Posted by: Harry Reid at March 16, 2015 12:53 PM (78TbK)

53 "Third question: What conservative policy hasn't been compromised in the last fifteen years? Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2015 12:42 PM (Spluw)" Yes, you are correct. Therefore I conclude that sticking to one's principles is a losing proposition. I am persuaded. Pass me the hemlock, would you?
Posted by: Bollunde Roils

Sorry, you have to get your own. Conservatives are all about self-help.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2015 12:53 PM (Spluw)

54 Since I won't click to a Townhall article.....what the fuck does abortion funding have to do with human trafficking?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 16, 2015 12:53 PM (0LHZx)

55 Not just that. They're working on conflating "human
trafficking" with simple illegal immigration, painting the illegals as
victims of "traffickers". On my drive from CA to TX a few weeks ago, I
noticed a shitload of billboards on that very subject all across AZ and
NM.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 16, 2015 12:48 PM (SpnVI)

Great. And since they are victims, what we need is victim services. Schools, medicine, a path to citizenship, etc. The usual.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 16, 2015 12:53 PM (TOk1P)

56 "Human trafficked victims" get political asylum right away, yes?

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 16, 2015 12:53 PM (rwI+c)

57
Bibi evidently had a huge rally today (yesterday) so hopefully the Jew-mentum is going his way at the finish line.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2015 12:54 PM (CMkNk)

58 If you wanna do this your body your choice crap, then do it yourself.
That should be a viewpoint shared by left right and libertarians.

Um, no. Some of think one of the few things government ought to do is prosecute murder.

Posted by: Methos at March 16, 2015 12:54 PM (A6vWB)

59 "Human trafficked victims" get political asylum right away, yes?

Ding!

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 16, 2015 12:54 PM (MMC8r)

60 Bibi evidently had a huge rally today (yesterday) so hopefully the Jew-mentum is going his way at the finish line.
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Is he pointing out Obama is funding his opposition?

Posted by: 18-1 at March 16, 2015 12:54 PM (78TbK)

61 >>>>What legislative 2A wins have we had recently? We've made some good judicial gains, and some shitty bipartisan bills have been rejected, but how many positive gains have been made by Congress? Apart from letting the AWB expire?

Seriously, clue me in if you have any examples.
.
.
.Uh how about the efforts by Obama and Pelosi to ban assault weapons and high capacity mags ? They didn't get a single floor vote in Congress.

Obama throwing temper tantrums because he couldn't make any progress on "common sense" gun control issues when he wanted to expand the Federal Background checks to all gun transfers?

Pelosi having at 15 different pressers on introducing a new assault weapons ban and her inability to even get one bill to a floor vote? She got shut down every time she tried.

How about those.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 16, 2015 12:55 PM (4oSLk)

62 57
Bibi evidently had a huge rally today (yesterday) so hopefully the Jew-mentum is going his way at the finish line.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 16, 2015 12:54 PM (CMkNk)

____________
I hope Bibi wins. But Romney also had 35K people rallies on the weekend before the election. Doesn't mean a hell of a lot.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 16, 2015 12:55 PM (0LHZx)

63 Since I won't click to a Townhall article.....what the fuck does abortion funding have to do with human trafficking?

The same thing that student loans have to do with healthcare reform.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 16, 2015 12:55 PM (MMC8r)

64 If you wanna do this your body your choice crap, then do it yourself. That should be a viewpoint shared by left right and libertarians.Um, no. Some of think one of the few things government ought to do is prosecute murder.
Posted by: Methos

And I view it thus also. it's a sign of how far we've fallen tat i'm resorting to the 'leave me out of it' approach. But, as with so many other items, it has to be enshrined.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2015 12:56 PM (Spluw)

65 Here's hoping the operatives Obama/Soros sent to Israel spend all their time trying to get out the black vote.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 16, 2015 12:56 PM (MMC8r)

66 Since I won't click to a Townhall article.....what the fuck does abortion funding have to do with human trafficking?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 16, 2015 12:53 PM (0LHZx)

For various reasons the Hyde Amendment has to be worked into a lot of bills to avoid it being stealthily eliminated.

The law is an arse.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) who misses sleep at March 16, 2015 12:56 PM (HDwDg)

67 ...life on Capitol Hill laughing about my idiot constituents, hitting all the insider happy hours, and banging all of my interns until my last remaining strand of hair is gone from head. Life is good, peasants!
Posted by: Chief of Stuff, Dept. of Posterior at March 16, 2015 12:46 PM (7u7u7)

Been watching House of Cards?

Posted by: Drill_thrawl at March 16, 2015 12:56 PM (JOG+K)

68 My friends, America has nothing to worry about with Mitch McConnell in the Leaders chair.

Posted by: John McVain at March 16, 2015 12:56 PM (LISuA)

69
The same thing that student loans have to do with healthcare reform.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 16, 2015 12:55 PM (MMC8r)

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As I suspected.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 16, 2015 12:56 PM (0LHZx)

70 So if Bibi loses, will we be watching Israel vote for its own destruction?

They're ready to elect their own version of Bronco Bama, but at their size they don't have a lot of wiggle room for leadership that hates them.

Posted by: Boots at March 16, 2015 12:51 PM (l9mF2)

Yeah not really. The Election in Israel is turning more on Domestic Issues, such as the economy and housing than Foreign Policy. In addition to the fact that Netanyahu has made many enemies over the years and has little good will left from either the general public or his normal allies on the right and right center.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2015 12:57 PM (rDqRv)

71 Not just that. They're working on conflating "human trafficking" with simple illegal immigration, painting the illegals as victims of "traffickers". On my drive from CA to TX a few weeks ago, I noticed a shitload of billboards on that very subject all across AZ and NM.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 16, 2015 12:48 PM (SpnVI)

We could turn this to advantage, and offer to return the victims of "human trafficking" to their native lands.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 16, 2015 12:57 PM (oKE6c)

72 How about those.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 16, 2015

Fights you don't have to have can be counted as wins.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 16, 2015 12:58 PM (XmOA9)

73 Obama will veto a bill that adheres to a signing statement he issued to get the O-care mandate passed. Yep, sounds about right.

Posted by: no good deed at March 16, 2015 12:58 PM (ZKGnj)

74 Two funny photos on WZ. The ever beautiful and charming Cynthia McKinney and her thousand yard stare and Algore has gone full Satan.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 16, 2015 12:58 PM (XUKZU)

75 Anything that holds up Lynch is a good thing. Although I wouldn't even bring her to a vote in the first place.

Posted by: Iblis at March 16, 2015 12:58 PM (9221z)

76 How about those.

The status quo is not a win in our current state.

I could do with a repeal of the 1989 Chinese import ban. Or reopening the machinegun registry for new weapons.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 16, 2015 12:58 PM (rwI+c)

77 33 What legislative 2A wins have we had recently? We've made some good judicial gains, and some shitty bipartisan bills have been rejected, but how many positive gains have been made by Congress? Apart from letting the AWB expire?

Seriously, clue me in if you have any examples.
Posted by: Chupacabras at March 16, 2015 12:47 PM (5npD/)

Sen. Pat [effin' sellout) Toomey (R-PA) sponsored Universal back-ground check.

Posted by: Drill_thrawl at March 16, 2015 12:58 PM (JOG+K)

78 Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2015 12:56 PM (Spluw)

Ah, okay, I misread you to mean 'this far and no further'. Sorry for the jump.

Posted by: Methos at March 16, 2015 12:59 PM (A6vWB)

79 The left has won just about every major battle over the last 20 years.

Guns is the exception. The right has pretty much mopped the floor with the left on guns. Yeah there have been a couple of losses here and there, but overall, if you think gun rights are worse off today than 10 or 20 years ago, nothing will ever make you happy.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 16, 2015 12:59 PM (0LHZx)

80 I don't even ask that they do away with the machinegun registry and tax stamp. Just let us add new ones so you don't have to pay $15k for a fullauto weapon if you want to own one.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 16, 2015 12:59 PM (rwI+c)

81 Yeah not really. The Election in Israel is turning more on Domestic Issues, such as the economy and housing than Foreign Policy.

In Isreal, foreign policy decides on you.

I didn't think they had the liberty to slack on foreign policy.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 16, 2015 12:59 PM (DxXMy)

82 @GWS

So, we made zero positive gains then?

Gun control is a killer for weak Dem's; those things weren't stopped by Republican's exceptional gamesmanship.

Posted by: Chupacabras at March 16, 2015 01:00 PM (5npD/)

83 We could turn this to advantage, and offer to return the victims of "human trafficking" to their native lands.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 16, 2015 12:57 PM (oKE6c)

Send them back to the savage nations that sent them into slavery and prostitution in the first place?

Shame on you sir! Oh wait, did I say "savage?" I meant wonderful paradises of pristine beauty, unsullied by western commercialism.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 16, 2015 01:00 PM (TOk1P)

84 Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2015 12:56 PM (Spluw)Ah, okay, I misread you to mean 'this far and no further'. Sorry for the jump.
Posted by: Methos

No problem. We should do more. But this is more of a last ditch.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2015 01:00 PM (Spluw)

85 Posted by: BurtTC at March 16, 2015 12:44 PM (TOk1P)

Human trafficking consists of more than white slavery/kidnapping/prostitution. It consists of smuggling humans for whatever reason. IIRC correctly, Toledo Ohio is the third largest point for human trafficking in the USA. A look at the map can explain why.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Gov. Walker's Throne of Skulls! Replicas only at the Outrage Outlet! at March 16, 2015 01:00 PM (hLRSq)

86 >>>They're ready to elect their own version of Bronco Bama, but at their size they don't have a lot of wiggle room for leadership that hates them.

Don't conflate Israeli politics with ours. The lines aren't really there as much.

Posted by: Bigby's Digging Hands at March 16, 2015 01:01 PM (3ZtZW)

87 That they are even talking about letting her nomination get to the vote...

Is a horrible indictment of the GOP.

Having an Attorney General who is FOR blatantly ignoring the Rule of Law... is a really stupid idea...

Posted by: Wolf, Big Bad, 1 ea. at March 16, 2015 01:01 PM (qh617)

88 The status quo is not a win in our current state.
I could do with a repeal of the 1989 Chinese import ban. Or reopening the machinegun registry for new weapons.

Elimination of NFA '34 & GCA '68.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 16, 2015 01:01 PM (DxXMy)

89 NGU, your response isn't really responsive to the question - will a defeat for Likud be a national security disaster (potentially) for Israel?

Serious question. Do you think Bibi being booted will mean Israel will now accept massive increase of existential risk (i.e., not pre-empting a Persian nuke)? Or would his replacements be as likely to take decisive action?

I have no idea (though Livni is hard to imagine as a real leader making important decisions). But you have been following Israeli politics more closely than I have in my current laziness, so just wondering about YOUR summary view of a Bibi defeat WRT to national security?

Posted by: rhomboid at March 16, 2015 01:02 PM (afQnV)

90 >>>but overall, if you think gun rights are worse off today than 10 or 20 years ago, nothing will ever make you happy.

I'm in NY. Its worse off.

Posted by: Bigby's Digging Hands at March 16, 2015 01:02 PM (3ZtZW)

91 Elimination of NFA '34 & GCA '68.

Even babysteps would give me hope. Instead, the Republicans brag that they haven't sold me out on this issue, yet. Big whoop.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 16, 2015 01:03 PM (rwI+c)

92 Posted by: rhomboid at March 16, 2015 12:52 PM (afQnV)

Amnesty is not a wedge issue in the Democrat's coalition; at least not amongst the factions that their leadership thinks will revolt. It is a wedge issue in the GOP and gets exploited as such.

Tossing a wedge between the Feminists and the Racial Warriors? That's a real splitting point.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Gov. Walker's Throne of Skulls! Replicas only at the Outrage Outlet! at March 16, 2015 01:04 PM (hLRSq)

93 Human trafficking consists of more than white
slavery/kidnapping/prostitution. It consists of smuggling humans for
whatever reason. IIRC correctly, Toledo Ohio is the third largest point
for human trafficking in the USA. A look at the map can explain why.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Gov. Walker's Throne of Skulls! Replicas only at the Outrage Outlet! at March 16, 2015 01:00 PM (hLRSq)

Proximity to Dearborn?

Posted by: BurtTC at March 16, 2015 01:04 PM (TOk1P)

94 Doesn't Israel have 3 parties that make tenous power-sharing agreements?
Likud, Labor, and ????

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 16, 2015 01:04 PM (XmOA9)

95 I'm in NY. Its worse off.
Posted by: Bigby's Digging Hands at March 16, 2015 01:02 PM (3ZtZW)

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Movement across state borders is still legal the last time I looked at it.

Posted by: Soona at March 16, 2015 01:04 PM (/HX7u)

96 Send them back to the savage nations that sent them into slavery and prostitution in the first place?

Shame
on you sir! Oh wait, did I say "savage?" I meant wonderful paradises of
pristine beauty, unsullied by western commercialism.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 16, 2015 01:00 PM (TOk1P)

Ah, but the ~~savage~~ nations didn't send them into slavery and prostitution, it was evil capitalists there. So we're saving them from enduring evil capitalists here, and sending them back to their socialist havens of pristine beauty, unsullied by Western commercialism, to romp and frolic with all their dusky friends.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 16, 2015 01:05 PM (oKE6c)

97 Doesn't Israel have 3 parties that make tenous power-sharing agreements?
Likud, Labor, and ????

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 16, 2015 01:04 PM (XmOA9)
---
No, there are a few more...

Posted by: Elize Nayden at March 16, 2015 01:05 PM (NWYwq)

98 Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 16, 2015 12:49 PM (XmOA9)

Bibi is diligent and proactive in addressing threats to Israel and I think this does help keep the scope of the threats minimized to a certain degree. If Israel somehow loses this initiative then their threat responses would be slower, more reactionary, more drastic, and larger. These larger responses would be much more likely to draw in outside interests and greatly increase the risk of escalation.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 16, 2015 01:05 PM (5Un6g)

99 The machinegun thing bothers me, though I'm not super jonesing to own a ammo budgetbuster. My betters graciously consent to allow me to purchase a diminishing resource at inflated prices. Inflated to the point that you have to be me, or Sip, to afford one.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 16, 2015 01:05 PM (rwI+c)

100 >>>Movement across state borders is still legal the last time I looked at it.

No you mean National borders LOL

And anyway - this is my State, mfer.

Posted by: Bigby's Digging Hands at March 16, 2015 01:06 PM (3ZtZW)

101 Movement across state borders is still legal the last time I looked at it.

Not with a CHL.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 16, 2015 01:06 PM (DxXMy)

102 That should be a viewpoint shared by left right and libertarians.Um, no. Some of think one of the few things government ought to do is prosecute murder.
Posted by: Methos

Yup... this small L libertarian believes that you do not have the right to take another humans life... except in self defense...

and that fetus? its a human...

Posted by: Wolf, Big Bad, 1 ea. at March 16, 2015 01:06 PM (qh617)

103 The Searchlight Maniac and his friends in the press have ample reason to keep that one down.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/331623.php

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at March 16, 2015 01:06 PM (ifqy+)

104 I'm in NY. Its worse off.
Posted by: Bigby's Digging Hands at March 16, 2015 01:02 PM (3ZtZW)

________

Did NYS have concealed carry 20 years ago? It does now as far as I know.

But that aside, I don't really mind if states do it. It's kind of the way things are supposed to work. If guns are that important to you, move to Idaho.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 16, 2015 01:07 PM (0LHZx)

105 So, where's Ace?

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 16, 2015 01:07 PM (Bn6aD)

106 Democratically controlled Senate.

Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at March 16, 2015 01:07 PM (rwI+c)

107 Lynch will be confirmed

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 16, 2015 01:08 PM (R8hU8)

108 NGU, your response isn't really responsive to the question - will a defeat for Likud be a national security disaster (potentially) for Israel?

Serious question. Do you think Bibi being booted will mean Israel will now accept massive increase of existential risk (i.e., not pre-empting a Persian nuke)? Or would his replacements be as likely to take decisive action?

I have no idea (though Livni is hard to imagine as a real leader making important decisions). But you have been following Israeli politics more closely than I have in my current laziness, so just wondering about YOUR summary view of a Bibi defeat WRT to national security?
Posted by: rhomboid at March 16, 2015 01:02 PM (afQnV)

I think it will impact "Defense/Foreign Policy" more in presentation than in substance. More of a show will be made of agreeing, or at least disagreeing with Washington respectfully. But none of the underlying issues will change. And the decision to strike or not to strike will be not much different than under Netanyahu. And one of my problems with Netanyahu was his inability to actually strike and strike decisively.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 16, 2015 01:08 PM (rDqRv)

109 The machinegun thing bothers me, though I'm not super jonesing to own a ammo budgetbuster. My betters graciously consent to allow me to purchase a diminishing resource at inflated prices. Inflated to the point that you have to be me, or Sip, to afford one.
Posted by: toby928(C)

Admittadly, I'm slipping in that I can't manage to care about ownership of full auto weapons. And I used to be an M-60 machine gunner in the USMC. Perhaps i'm lazy, or mindful of the cost of such an item, particularly to feed.

I realize that it's related to larger issues, but that's my confession for the day.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2015 01:08 PM (Spluw)

110 The machinegun thing bothers me, though I'm not super jonesing to own a ammo budgetbuster.

Select/3 round burst/ full auto would be fun once in awhile though.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 16, 2015 01:08 PM (DxXMy)

111 Proximity to Dearborn?

Posted by: BurtTC at March 16, 2015 01:04 PM (TOk1P)

Look at a highway map. You have easy access from Canada to Toledo and then the turnpike and I-75 get you moving out into the center of the country fast. Yes, you can go to Dearborn - and a hell of a lot of other major metropolitan areas very quickly without having to go through all of the customs and border patrols on the Detroit and St. Clair Rivers - and yes, there are quite few.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Gov. Walker's Throne of Skulls! Replicas only at the Outrage Outlet! at March 16, 2015 01:08 PM (hLRSq)

112 >>>Not with a CHL.

I've got an out-of-State Utah permit.

Posted by: Bigby's Digging Hands at March 16, 2015 01:09 PM (3ZtZW)

113 Nood

Posted by: no good deed at March 16, 2015 01:09 PM (ZKGnj)

114 The machinegun thing bothers me, though I'm not super jonesing to own a ammo budgetbuster. My betters graciously consent to allow me to purchase a diminishing resource at inflated prices. Inflated to the point that you have to be me, or Sip, to afford one.
Posted by: toby928(C) at March 16, 2015 01:05 PM (rwI+c)

----------------------------------------------

I would love to have a full-auto SAW. Nasty and very effective.

Posted by: Soona at March 16, 2015 01:09 PM (/HX7u)

115 >>>Did NYS have concealed carry 20 years ago?

Yes, of course.

Posted by: Bigby's Digging Hands at March 16, 2015 01:09 PM (3ZtZW)

116 110 The machinegun thing bothers me, though I'm not super jonesing to own a ammo budgetbuster.

Select/3 round burst/ full auto would be fun once in awhile though.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 16, 2015 01:08 PM (DxXMy)

I'd love to have a Glock 18.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 16, 2015 01:10 PM (2Ojst)

117 So GOP decides the hill to stand on is "human trafficking"? Interesting.

Posted by: Penfold at March 16, 2015 01:10 PM (Fbt5B)

118
The actual bill:

S.178 - Justice for Victims of Trafficking Act of 2015

www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/178

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 16, 2015 01:11 PM (kdS6q)

119 Gun control. Need to frame the issue properly. At federal level, "progress" would consist of eliminating ineffective, unconstitutional, pointless laws (most of the '68 GCA, probably '34 as well). Not really "progress" to block all the still-born "gun control" initiatives - though that does point to an interesting factoid.

Rational approaches to "gun control" have been gaining broader acceptance with the public, consistently, over the last 20 years. That is, opposition to most of the pointless, ineffective initiatives. It is a political third rail, for real, on the federal level.

Yet opposition to "gun control" polls no higher and usually lower than opposition to, for example, O-care and amnesty. Yet on the federal level, we see .... mostly kabuki from the GOP, and defiance from the Dems.

So another way to put it is that opposition to pointless, obnoxious, unconstitutional "gun control" by the national electorate, for some reason, has almost unique resonance in actual legislative behavior. Other disasters, fare more comprehensive in their damage to millions of lives in a concrete fashion, proceed like glaciers, unstoppable - despite the electorate's clear wishes.

On the state level, a wild mix of absurd catastrophic decline (CA, NY, NJ, etc.) and expanding common sense and freedom (concealed-carry laws, even. "constitutional carry" perhaps spreading beyond VT, WY, AK, AZ).

Posted by: rhomboid at March 16, 2015 01:11 PM (afQnV)

120 I'd love to have a Glock 18.

Posted by: Insomniac

They are a hoot to shoot.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at March 16, 2015 01:12 PM (/Ho8c)

121 Things could be worse, we could be Canada. I watched a YouTube of SKS vs AR at the gun range challenge and I thought, sure, no challenge at all, right? 10 rd stripper clip vs 30rd mag but No! Ha! It was 5rd stripper clip vs 5RD MAG on the AR.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 16, 2015 01:12 PM (rwI+c)

122 >>>If guns are that important to you, move to Idaho.

Yes yes

Run away from all that you know. Scurry and hide. They will not find you *there*. Leave your lands, your heritage, your ancestor's graves - - just GO

Posted by: Bigby's Digging Hands at March 16, 2015 01:12 PM (3ZtZW)

123 >>>Fights you don't have to have can be counted as wins.
.
.
.Really? We are going to have to agree to disagree on this. Because in my book if your opponent is scared to even introduce a bill "for the children" I count that as a win.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 16, 2015 01:12 PM (4oSLk)

124 But that aside, I don't really mind if states do it.
It's kind of the way things are supposed to
work. If guns are that important to you, move to
Idaho.

Article 4, Section 1 Full Faith and Credit.
There are states that HAVE to accept my DL, but not other state issued public acts and records.
Makes it hard to even visit.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 16, 2015 01:12 PM (DxXMy)

125 120 I'd love to have a Glock 18.

Posted by: Insomniac

They are a hoot to shoot.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at March 16, 2015 01:12 PM (/Ho8c)

Absolutely. Pop an extended mag in there and let 'er rip. Fun stuff.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 16, 2015 01:13 PM (2Ojst)

126 Because, Canada!

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 16, 2015 01:13 PM (rwI+c)

127 >>>118
The actual bill:

S.178 - Justice for Victims of Trafficking Act of 2015

www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/178
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 16, 2015 01:11 PM (kdS6q)>>>

Looks like a jobs bill, adding penalties to "non-indigents." So, I guess Senate Republicans want the traffickers to hire indigents to get the job done or something??

Posted by: gm at March 16, 2015 01:14 PM (/kBoL)

128 76 I could do with a repeal of the 1989 Chinese import ban. Or reopening the machinegun registry for new weapons.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 16, 2015 12:58 PM (rwI+c)

As long as we are "wishing" repeal of all Gun Control Acts since 1965 would be better. An Art V convention could do that.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 16, 2015 01:16 PM (wlDny)

129 @111 ...easy access from Canada to Toledo

Not without going through Detroit, you don't. GarWoods full of Seagram's don't run up on the beach anymore. No, the Toledo stat was based almost entirely on the surplus amount of young kidnappable females available. But you are right about the intersections and junctions. Throw in jumping either off a ship or onto a train, and it's a World City.

There is an expensive new Border Patrol'n'friends station out near Camp Perry, but there are no regular patrols on the lake. A wiseacre recently boated across from Point Pelee to Cleveland, and walked into the RockRollHallFame with a valise labeled "Explosives," just to prove the point. May have been a turban involved.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 16, 2015 01:20 PM (xq1UY)

130 Watching Mitch McConnell at work is like watching some weird surreal European meta-comedy where the Jerry Lewis/Peter Sellers/Rowan Attkinson-like idiot who doesn't know he is an idiot attempts to play an idiot in order to fool the guards or trick the rubes or whatever to get the girl or steal the gold.

McConnell's problem is he and the big money donors of the GOP Establishment actually agree with most of the Democratic Party's platform and agenda. The problem they face is one faced by every fighter who's ever thrown a fight. Selling out is harder than it looks--even if it's well-known you're a sellout and a cheat. You can't make it too obvious or you insult the intelligence of the crowd. You offend even the most jaded sensibilities. You need to offer at least the pretense of a fight.

Posted by: troyriser at March 16, 2015 01:23 PM (7F9i5)

131 Well, if that doesn't impress you, do the words
Flag
Burning
Amendment
mean anything to you? mm, hmm, I thought so. Yep, that's what I intend to take up next.

Posted by: General Mitch McTurtle at March 16, 2015 01:23 PM (hKyl0)

132 He's got GOP voters pegged as fools. Is he wrong?

Posted by: The Prophet Some Dope at March 16, 2015 01:25 PM (hKyl0)

133 109 Admittadly, I'm slipping in that I can't manage to
care about ownership of full auto weapons. And I used to be an M-60
machine gunner in the USMC. Perhaps i'm lazy, or mindful of the cost of
such an item, particularly to feed.

I realize that it's related to larger issues, but that's my confession for the day.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 16, 2015 01:08 PM (Spluw)

Those .50 cal BMG rounds cost $5 apiece.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 16, 2015 01:27 PM (wlDny)

134 Human traffickers are not big RNC donors (that we know about). It's OK for Mitch-Reid's-Bitch to talk tough to them.

On a purely unrelated note please do not start the right wing extremist uprising until next week, if possible. My commie ammo can opener is in the mail.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 16, 2015 01:27 PM (XO6WW)

135 ace up

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 16, 2015 01:27 PM (wlDny)

136 After the revelations about pedophile island and Harry Reid's attacks on boys, perhaps McConnell decided to hit the dems where it counts.

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 16, 2015 01:49 PM (FFIoe)

137 Fvck Bitch McConnell, he's a back stabbing cock sucker and I'll have nothing more to do with him. He decided to make a stand on something that should already have been outlawed and will not defend vote foe laws to save our country's sovereignty?

GO Pound Sand Mitch.

Posted by: Gmac- Pulling in feelers in preperation... at March 16, 2015 02:24 PM (74McK)

138 We have an $18T deficit, but it's all Reagan's fault, so don't blame us if it goes even higher tee hee hee! Now grease my palms, biatches!

Posted by: Chief of Stuff, Dept. of Posterior at March 16, 2015 02:36 PM (7u7u7)

139 They can claim they'll block the vote all they want but when it comes down to it, they'll cave against the Dems. Every time.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 16, 2015 02:49 PM (39g3+)

140 Plus the Human Trafficking bill exempts people who traffic in their own family members from punishment so there's that...

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