OMG: YA Author Explains Why He Has Few Female Characters In His Books, <i>Says the Most Sexist Thing Possible</i>

OMG: YA Author Explains Why He Has Few Female Characters In His Books, Says the Most Sexist Thing Possible

I don't know who this guy is, but apparently his Progressive Papers are in good order; here's the headline of the Vice interview with him:

The Failure of Male Societies: Author Andrew Smith Tackles Monsters and Sex

So you know he thinks boys are icky, too.

So what could he have possibly have done to have drawn the (itchy trigger finger) wrath of our (always reasonable, and dulcet as May rain) online feminist piranhas, so much so that he quit Twitter rather than put up with it any further?

Well, believe me, it was just terrible.

Prepare yourself: This is the statement that provoked the feminists into yet another Shame-Rage Cyclone.

Seriously, sit down. This is tough stuff.

Q: On the flip side, it sometimes seems like there isn’t much of a way into your books for female readers. Where are all the women in your work?
A: I was raised in a family with four boys, and I absolutely did not know anything about girls at all. I have a daughter now; she's 17. When she was born, that was the first girl I ever had in my life. I consider myself completely ignorant to all things woman and female. I’m trying to be better though.

Now what you're probably thinking is "That asshole ace, he copied and pasted the wrong quote; that quote is obviously not offensive."

Wrong.

Now, here's the rotten thing. Here's the stupid thing. (Stupidity and rottenness and close cousins.)

Having attacked the shit out of this guy for no reason, and having driven him out of the public square, feminists are now themselves being attacked for being so militantly, insanely, nastily doctrinaire about lunacies.

And so they are now getting their measure of Internet hectoring.

And they don't like that one bit.

I saw one person try to claim that feminists didn't hector and bully Smith by tweeting, "Shall we revisit the difference between criticism and bullying?"

And yet she herself is now complaining of the "bullying" that Smith's "critics" are now facing.

So yes dear-heart, let us revisit the difference in your stupid Hate-Robot mind between "criticism" and "bullying:" "Criticism" is what you do to others, but "bullying" is what others do to you.

Is that pretty much it, Princess?

Sorry Ladies, if you want to be taken seriously as thinkers, it's time you started showing the chops of a serious thinker. And this constant "One rule for me because I'm special and another rule for you because you Suck and you're Boy!!!" nonsense is not adult thinking.

It is the thinking of a spoiled, rotten stupid child.

Do you really think that you are the only ones permitted this ugly, nasty third-grade-girls game of choose the Butt and circle around him and spit venom and humiliation at him?

Ok, @therejectionist's response to the Andrew Smith quote about ladies is AMAZING https://t.co/CIFRAvSpsu
— Preeti Chhibber (@runwithskizzers) March 11, 2015

Why? When you are constantly spitting accusations, hatred, and venom at the world, why do you imagine it's somehow out-of-bounds for another group of poisonous children to circle around you and make you the object of their collective coordinated Group Shaming?

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

If you're gonna be a Twitter Gladiator Thug, you don't get to cry and say "But I'm a girl!!!" when someone hits you back.

The Pushback... was not exactly vicious, though this guy used the word "bully," and I assume this is what caused the Special Snowflake so much psychic tumult.

And when you say someone doesn't deserve to weigh in because gender, race, what-have-you, you are *closing down* conversation.
— Anthony Breznican (@Breznican) March 11, 2015

When you do that, sorry, you are a thug, a bully, and you are *closing down* conversation. And don't cry victim when you get called on it.
— Anthony Breznican (@Breznican) March 11, 2015

The grotesque fauxtrage aimed at Andrew Smith is why we *don't* have meaningful conversations. It's depressing. And all too common.
— Anthony Breznican (@Breznican) March 11, 2015

Posted by: Ace at 05:00 PM

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1 Hmmm

Posted by: NativeNH at March 11, 2015 05:02 PM (+k6Wu)

2 Hello

Posted by: NativeNH at March 11, 2015 05:02 PM (+k6Wu)

3 I need a shower after that last thread.

Posted by: Mystery Stain at March 11, 2015 05:02 PM (evdj2)

4 Not this lady...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 11, 2015 05:02 PM (Bn6aD)

5 Well, if that statement is correct, it seems he might have some rather pointed questions for the mother of the child...such as:

"Since I've not had any girls in my life and I'm such an ignorant dunce about women, who's kid is this, and who the f'k are you?"

Posted by: MJN1957 at March 11, 2015 05:03 PM (r0S86)

6 So this dildo had no knowledge of women, so where did the daughter come from? A giant egg he sat on?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2015 05:03 PM (MIgI0)

7 Sorry Ladies, if you want to be taken seriously as thinkers, it's time you started showing the chops of a serious thinker.

Does anyone else see the problem here?

Posted by: pep at March 11, 2015 05:03 PM (4nR9/)

8 Who b*tch these are?

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at March 11, 2015 05:03 PM (vgIRn)

9 No idea..AGAIN!!!

Posted by: tu3031 at March 11, 2015 05:04 PM (i0wGQ)

10
Trigger warning!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 11, 2015 05:04 PM (kdS6q)

11 where did the daughter come from? A giant egg he sat on?

Why does this strike you as so unbelievable?

Posted by: Horton at March 11, 2015 05:04 PM (4nR9/)

12

Never back down.

It's too bad he did.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 11, 2015 05:05 PM (IXrOn)

13 Are you ready...

Wait for it...

WAIT FOR IT...

Women...what are you going to do?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 11, 2015 05:05 PM (659DL)

14 We are the Sexual Deplete; hear our roar.

Posted by: Con-sent at March 11, 2015 05:05 PM (jT+gh)

15 Today's feminists are F'ing NUTS.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 11, 2015 05:06 PM (bdqzU)

16 I guess he's saying he didn't date as a teenager so, he never really knew any girls.

Posted by: Mystery Stain at March 11, 2015 05:06 PM (evdj2)

17
He must be one heck of an author, though.

I mean, wow, he knows nothing about half the human race.

Posted by: Soothie at March 11, 2015 05:06 PM (okr/5)

18 Nothing says strong woman like shrieking and getting the vapors when someone dares to push back.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a crap top of Barnes and Noble and Amazon gift cards. I may need to go buy someone's collected works.

Posted by: alexthechick - I do enjoy Pirates, 'tis true at March 11, 2015 05:07 PM (mf5HN)

19 Well, I certainly wouldn't want to go to sex party with THAT chick.

No sense of humor. The disrobing would be... awkward.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 11, 2015 05:07 PM (AkOaV)

20 Do you really think that you are the only ones permitted this ugly,
nasty third-grade-girls game of choose the Butt and circle around him
and spit venom and humiliation at him?

Dan Savage gets to play it, too, I've noticed.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at March 11, 2015 05:08 PM (/kI1Q)

21 Don't forget to buy Kaiju Apocalypse if you haven't already AlextheChick.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2015 05:08 PM (MIgI0)

22

Feminists cannot even reconcile between "We are different! We have our own voice and perspective! Treat us differently!" with "We are equal! Treat us the same!"

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 11, 2015 05:09 PM (IXrOn)

23 I'll bet Sarah McCarry would be the last to claim she couldn't figure out how to get two email addresses to point to one device.

Posted by: MTF, Bring On The Art. 5 Convention! at March 11, 2015 05:09 PM (LISuA)

24 Isn't it funny how much feminism looks like good old stereotypical henpecking?

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 11, 2015 05:09 PM (MMC8r)

25 6
So this dildo had no knowledge of women, so where did the daughter come from? A giant egg he sat on?

Yeah. That's puzzling. Adoption? Was he hit over the head and raped?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 11, 2015 05:09 PM (FsuaD)

26 I'll say something really sexist.

It's hard to write interesting female YA characters. I mean, it's hard to write YA characters in general since their personalities are so...underdeveloped, but it's even harder to write good female characters.

You basically fall into the "badass strong girl" trope or the "innocent sweet girl" trope.

Why? Because 16 year old girls are really...

Boring.

Ok, there I said it. Coming as a former 16 year old girl, the interests and desires of the average 16 year old doesn't make for very interesting reading. Sorry. It's true.

My 16 y/o female protagonist is by far the hardest character I've ever written, and I'm pretty sure that should I ever actually finish this little project and anyone actually reads it, I'll get torn to shreds about making her so neurotic, but that's also the truth about 16 year old girls.

They're boringly neurotic.

Come at me, feminists.

Posted by: Lauren at March 11, 2015 05:09 PM (MYCIw)

27
The criticism reminds me of an article written shortly after John Hughes' death, taking him to task for not having many Persons of Color in his movies. What happened to write what you know? Faulkner wrote about Oxford Mississippi because that's what he knew. If this guy says he doesn't know enough about women to write about them, that's fine; his books should then stand or fall on their literary merit or lack of same.

Posted by: Bud Norton at March 11, 2015 05:10 PM (6cOMd)

28 I don't get it.

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at March 11, 2015 05:10 PM (id2wM)

29 always reasonable, and dulcet as May rain.

You have a way words, Ace.

Posted by: dantesed at March 11, 2015 05:10 PM (88xKn)

30 It's insanity like this that tells me it's time to get off social media, all social media (I've already kicked FB to the curb, but hold on to twitter and LinkedIn because, well I have no idea).

Posted by: DocJ at March 11, 2015 05:10 PM (0RQVM)

31 These feminists deny any meaningful difference exists between men and women. Any then, through their shrill shrieking and vapor spells, prove that the sexes are still irredeemably different.

Posted by: wooga at March 11, 2015 05:10 PM (bFJiu)

32 What a shrill bunch of harpies...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 11, 2015 05:10 PM (Bn6aD)

33 Perhaps the ones who draped across the fainting couch with a bad case of the vapors need this t-shirt?

http://www.sharppointythings.com/tshirts-Trigger%20Warning.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2015 05:10 PM (MIgI0)

34 I think guys like this say this shit on purpose. Like give anybody a Twitter account, say something stupid, and you're instantly famous.

Posted by: tu3031 at March 11, 2015 05:10 PM (i0wGQ)

35 Too bad there really isn't any real intergalactic spaceships that can attain warp speed. I'd be buying a ticket today.

Posted by: Soona at March 11, 2015 05:11 PM (/HX7u)

36 I think one thing that the last week has proven is that we would all be better off if there was a woman in the White House.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 11, 2015 05:11 PM (XUKZU)

37
Becuase everything is justofiable to those in the "good" cultural tribe. It is why Dan Savage gets away with saying vile things to anyone who disagrees with him, but then gets praised as an anti-bullying activist.

Posted by: Benji Carver at March 11, 2015 05:11 PM (PvZ8F)

38 Lauren, insecurity reminds them too much of real life. Unless its a novel about something that goes bump in the dark.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2015 05:11 PM (MIgI0)

39 I mean, wow, he knows nothing about half the human race.

I've had a mother for 52 years, a sister for 42 years, and married for 22 years. Still trying to figure them out.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 11, 2015 05:12 PM (FK/0+)

40 36 I think one thing that the last week has proven is that we would all be better off if there was a woman in the White House.

You mean instead of Michelle?

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 11, 2015 05:12 PM (Bn6aD)

41 Here's the thing. I read a ton of YA. A ton of it. And here's the thing. If there's a YA novel with a male protagonist, it is nearly certain I will buy it, no matter how awful it looks, simply due to the fact that there are so few YA novels with male protagonists that I want to do what I can to show there's a market for that.

So this is really about how dare anyone even think about writing something that's gasp not female centric!

Posted by: alexthechick - I do enjoy Pirates, 'tis true at March 11, 2015 05:12 PM (mf5HN)

42 >>> Having attacked the shit out of this guy for no reason, and having driven him out of the public square, feminists are now themselves being attacked for being so militantly, insanely, nastily doctrinaire about lunacies.

The links go to women having fainting spells over this, but I see no links where there is pushback to their rage. Anyone have any, so we can also experience the schadenfruede?

Posted by: LizLem at March 11, 2015 05:12 PM (yRwC8)

43 Is this the shrieking and foaming thread? Because I was looking for the shrieking and foaming thread.

Posted by: Average Feminist at March 11, 2015 05:12 PM (LA7Cm)

44 >Dan Savage gets to play it, too, I've noticed.

Ugh, yes.
He's a total bully and then whines about being bullied when someone dares to disagree with him.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 11, 2015 05:13 PM (bdqzU)

45 "Twitter Gladiator Thugs" would be a good name for a band.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 11, 2015 05:13 PM (FsuaD)

46 Off Topic Early Edition:

150,000 folks petition the White House to level treason charges against the 47 Sens who sent open letter to Iran.

So, some don't know nuthin bout law, some don't know nuffin bout girls, and some don't know nuffin bout fightin fair.

Spelling out the truth about the difference between an agreement and a treaty is treason.

The future is in the best of hands! Fear not!

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 11, 2015 05:14 PM (XmOA9)

47 Is this the shrieking and foaming thread? Because I was looking for the shrieking and foaming thread.

This is yelling and trembling.

Shrieking and yelling is two doors down.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 11, 2015 05:14 PM (659DL)

48 I'll say something really sexist.

It's hard to write interesting female YA characters. I mean, it's hard to write YA characters in general since their personalities are so...underdeveloped, but it's even harder to write good female characters.

You basically fall into the "badass strong girl" trope or the "innocent sweet girl" trope.

Why? Because 16 year old girls are really...

Boring.

Writing girls is like drawing minorities. Even if you don't emphasize any distinguishing traits, someone will claim you've done a stereotype.

Then the SJWs are off to the races.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 11, 2015 05:14 PM (jhqr1)

49 Well looking at the "news" someone in the White House has the vapors and it isn't Michelle...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 11, 2015 05:14 PM (Bn6aD)

50 Or Sparkly Gaydiator Thugs.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2015 05:14 PM (MIgI0)

51 If only feminism wasn't about bitching, bitching, bitching.

Then they might get taken seriously.

But then again, what grievance group is about anything else?

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 11, 2015 05:14 PM (MMC8r)

52 Is this the shrieking and foaming thread?

Feminist sex party is one floor down

Posted by: hierarchy at March 11, 2015 05:15 PM (jT+gh)

53 46 Off Topic Early Edition:

150,000 folks petition the White House to level treason charges against the 47 Sens who sent open letter to Iran.

That's the "vapors" I was talking about...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 11, 2015 05:15 PM (Bn6aD)

54 Surprised that the Nicholson quote in 'As Good As It Gets' did not have the feminists boycotting it.

Posted by: Don One at March 11, 2015 05:15 PM (Xrson)

55 Our ettes could kick these feminists' asses so bad it would make your head spin, and spin...and spin.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 11, 2015 05:15 PM (1Y+hH)

56 Isn't it Crazee O'Clock?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 11, 2015 05:15 PM (FsuaD)

57

Where's the beat down?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 11, 2015 05:15 PM (IXrOn)

58 Empowerment means stomping on other people, dammit!

Posted by: huerfano at March 11, 2015 05:15 PM (bAGA/)

59 Isn't it Crazee O'Clock?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 11, 2015 05:15 P

Shhhhh!

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 11, 2015 05:15 PM (Bn6aD)

60 OK, I started reading "thereectionist's" twitter rant and...I dunno, is this some sort of free-association feminist critiue or something?

Your assignment:
Here's a bland statement mentioning women. List 30 things wrong with in 2 minutes or less. Bonus points awarded for extra outrage and condescension.
GO!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 11, 2015 05:16 PM (bdqzU)

61 150,000 folks petition the White House to level treason charges against the 47 Sens who sent open letter to Iran.

I'm willing to bet 149,990 of them were willing to have treason charges leveled against all 54 GOPe senators for the unforgivable crime of being a member of the opposition to their god/king prior to this. So, meh.

Posted by: DocJ at March 11, 2015 05:16 PM (0RQVM)

62 Dan Savage is an abysmal shit. I look forward to the day when he spits chiklets.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 11, 2015 05:16 PM (XmOA9)

63 Meremortal, make their heads spin like in Exorcist? Lets hope not, all that pea soup, Yuck!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2015 05:16 PM (MIgI0)

64 Here's the thing. If these womyn would spend more time baking, cleaning the house, and sewing their own clothes, they wouldn't have the time to be on Twitter bullying some author.

Instead of closing his Twitter account, he should have told them to go bake some cookies for their husbands.

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 11, 2015 05:16 PM (Urach)

65 How many people signed the petition to build a Death Star?

Posted by: steevy at March 11, 2015 05:17 PM (KETbL)

66 Isn't it Crazee O'Clock?

13 more minutes. He's still in the medication line.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 11, 2015 05:17 PM (FK/0+)

67 Instead of closing his Twitter account, he should have told them to go bake some cookies for their husbands.

And make a sammich...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 11, 2015 05:17 PM (Bn6aD)

68 Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Who on the Left does not deserve this exact treatment?

They all do this, then hide behind their little shield and whinge when it boomerangs back.

Fuck 'em. Punch back twice as hard and laugh while doing it.

Posted by: baldur5 at March 11, 2015 05:17 PM (OQdZA)

69 It does amaze me that if you listen to the professional feminist groups they are the only people that get nasty-grams online.

But as ace notes, they are far more likely to be giving them out. Heck, I think Michelle Malkin individually has likely gotten more venom spewed at her then the entire feminist online collective...

Anyway, when feminists are regularly the victims of Swatting, losing their jobs because of privately told jokes at a convention, or losing their jobs because of political donations then we can at least start to talk.

And perhaps for the last two of those three we should try to "help them achieve equality"

Posted by: 18-1 at March 11, 2015 05:17 PM (78TbK)

70 "Shrieking and yelling is two doors down."

Thanks.

Vagina hater!

Posted by: Average Feminist at March 11, 2015 05:17 PM (LA7Cm)

71 "Isn't it Crazee O'Clock?"

I've been trying to cover for him, but I'm pitiful.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 11, 2015 05:17 PM (1Y+hH)

72 64
Here's the thing. If these womyn would spend more time baking, cleaning
the house, and sewing their own clothes, they wouldn't have the time to
be on Twitter bullying some author.

Instead of closing his Twitter account, he should have told them to go bake some cookies for their husbands.

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 11, 2015 05:16 PM (Urach)

Heh. *backs sloooowly away* *looks around nervously*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 11, 2015 05:17 PM (FsuaD)

73 Okay enough fun and games, time to go back to writing.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2015 05:18 PM (MIgI0)

74 Meremortal, make their heads spin like in Exorcist? Lets hope not, all that pea soup, Yuck!
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2015 05:16 PM (MIgI0)

Regurgitators gonna regurge....

Posted by: Meremortal at March 11, 2015 05:18 PM (1Y+hH)

75 Meremortal, make their heads spin like in Exorcist? Lets hope not, all that pea soup, Yuck!
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 11, 2015 05:16 PM (MIgI0)

Regurgitators gonna regurge....

Posted by: Meremortal at March 11, 2015 05:18 PM (1Y+hH)

76 I shall say this again, for any who haven't yet figured it out:

Tweetland, the land of tweets, is where fifth graders go to pass nasty notes about each other.

And YOU (all of you, whoever you are), aren't raising the tone of their endeavors by not participating in the fifth grade feeding frenzy.

The devil invented Twitter, and you are his willing minions.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 11, 2015 05:18 PM (TOk1P)

77 dammit

Posted by: Meremortal at March 11, 2015 05:18 PM (1Y+hH)

78 >>It's hard to write interesting female YA characters.

What...?That's just..um,....I can't.....stop looking at me!

Posted by: Bella Swan at March 11, 2015 05:19 PM (bdqzU)

79 @26
Ok, there I said it. Coming as a former 16 year old girl,

No mention of this. Wow, they really are slipping around here. Raise your standards, people!

Posted by: pep at March 11, 2015 05:19 PM (4nR9/)

80 Let's face it. A man writing anything about girls or women on the social tubes is facing a Charlie Hebdo reaction.

Posted by: Soona at March 11, 2015 05:19 PM (/HX7u)

81 when you are deeply unhappy it is so much easier to look for a villain without than to dare to look within

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 11, 2015 05:19 PM (zOTsN)

82 A feminist walks into a bar.

The bartender looks at her up and down.

The feminist says ' quit raping me with your eyes'

The bartender replies ' sorry, don't know how to make that drink. Is that a shot? '

Posted by: Don One at March 11, 2015 05:20 PM (Xrson)

83 My 16 y/o female protagonist is by far the hardest character I've ever written, and I'm pretty sure that should I ever actually finish this little project and anyone actually reads it, I'll get torn to shreds about making her so neurotic, but that's also the truth about 16 year old girls.

They're boringly neurotic.

Come at me, feminists.
Posted by: Lauren at March 11, 2015 05:09 PM (MYCIw)

You know why feminists hate, hate, hate, hate, hate Twilight? Because Stephenie Meyer had the nerve to write an actual 17 year old girl. Because, yeah, when you are that age and you are that stupid, you do think it's romantic that the guy is creeping on you and watching you sleep.

You do fall to complete and utter pieces when he dumps you.

How dare she write that! How dare she!

I'm reading a YA series right now with a 14 yo male protagonist where Our Hero is swinging wildly between being confident and capable and mature and being an immature brat who can't deal with anything. I can't decide if this is bad writing to have the character react as needed in that scene or excellent writing that captures the huge mood swings of being 14.

Posted by: alexthechick - I do enjoy Pirates, 'tis true at March 11, 2015 05:20 PM (mf5HN)

84 Wait...did the feminazi's read the rest of his answer?

A lot of
The Alex Crow is really about the failure of male societies.
In all of the story threads, there are examples of male-dominated
societies that make critical errors, whether it's the army that Ariel
falls in with at the beginning, or the refugee camp, or Camp
Merrie-Seymour for boys, or the doomed arctic expedition, they're all
examples of male societies that think that they're doing some kind of
noble mission, and they're failing miserably.

Posted by: Tami at March 11, 2015 05:20 PM (v0/PR)

85 >>Instead of closing his Twitter account, he should have told them to go bake some cookies for their husbands.

Threadwinner!

Posted by: Bella Swan at March 11, 2015 05:20 PM (bdqzU)

86 Feminists need to learn that 1) men are not all terrible trolls what should have rocks thrown at them, and 2) it is impossible to go through life without having a sad.

Princess Bride said it best: "Who said life is fair? Where is that written?" Until feminist SJW's learn they cannot be coddled in a cocoon of ingorant bliss against the things they find uncomfortable or male, this nonsense will continue. And society indulges them, sadly, in stead of scoffing at it as the nonsense it rightfully is.

Posted by: LizLem at March 11, 2015 05:20 PM (yRwC8)

87 Anna Puma,

Careful! You might write something Unhelpful To Feminism and then you'll be attacked by cat throwing feminists.

Posted by: Lauren at March 11, 2015 05:20 PM (MYCIw)

88 It lives!

Posted by: Meremortal at March 11, 2015 05:21 PM (1Y+hH)

89 The devil invented Twitter, and you are his willing minions.

Minion? I thought we were an autonomous collective.

{Yes, two Python references in one thread. }

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 11, 2015 05:21 PM (659DL)

90 Yep. Cray-Cray O'Clock.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 11, 2015 05:21 PM (FsuaD)

91 Writing girls is like drawing minorities. Even if you don't emphasize
any distinguishing traits, someone will claim you've done a stereotype.
***
It is a flavor of political terror.

If you have well defined rules implemented impartially then people can feel safe as long as they stay within them even if the rules are...bizarre.

If you have vague rules and randomly use them to destroy individuals, you send a message to the larger group that the only way to be safe is to be at the vanguard of the enforcers - to be the craziest motherf*cker in the group.

You can see the same idea advanced in Stalinist Russia. The tools at the left's disposal are much more limited...for now...of course. But the strategy is the same.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 11, 2015 05:21 PM (78TbK)

92 Larry Correia (author of Monster Hunter series) deals with this a lot. SJW is a huge thing in publishing - particularly fantasy and science fiction (though some authors refuse to call their work science fiction and refer to it as "speculative fiction").

Posted by: Penfold at March 11, 2015 05:22 PM (Fbt5B)

93
I'm rewatching LoveJoy. Wouldnt that be a great job? Just drive around in the beautiful country side looking for antiques?

Posted by: Bruce J. at March 11, 2015 05:22 PM (iQIUe)

94 @21 Don't forget to buy Kaiju Apocalypse if you haven't already AlextheChick.
---------------------

Is that the one that Larry Correia helped with, that got the squick-worthy review on Barnes and Noble's website? Or am I thinking of a different Kaiju anthology?

Posted by: junior at March 11, 2015 05:22 PM (UWFpX)

95 What the hell is wrong with the people agreeing with this tripe?

Posted by: ejo at March 11, 2015 05:23 PM (rsGj7)

96 ". I can't decide if this is bad writing to have the character react as needed in that scene or excellent writing that captures the huge mood swings of being 14."

You could not pay me money to go back to 14. *shudder*

Posted by: Lauren at March 11, 2015 05:23 PM (MYCIw)

97 On the flip side, it sometimes seems like there isn't much of a way into your books for female readers. Where are all the women in your work?

I'm not sure I understand. Is it that if there are no female characters in a book, suddenly females lose the ability to read?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 11, 2015 05:23 PM (CWvyb)

98 Internet hectoring.-Ace

Isn't it "H" ector with a capital H?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 11, 2015 05:23 PM (l1zOH)

99 Until feminist SJW's learn they cannot be coddled in a cocoon of ignorant bliss against the things they find uncomfortable or male, this nonsense will continue.

Never gonna happen. Ever.
Maybe if we somehow get EMP'd into the stone age and become agrarian people who are too tired to talk at the end of the day. Maybe.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 11, 2015 05:23 PM (jhqr1)

100 "When she was born, that was the first girl I ever had in my life. I
consider myself completely ignorant to all things woman and female."

So he was raised by only men, married a dude and spent his whole life in an all male convent?

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 11, 2015 05:23 PM (wMP+e)

101 That Gratton post is full of logical mystery--completely nonunderstandable to mere mortal men.

Posted by: Jonathan Ellis at March 11, 2015 05:23 PM (9wPDi)

102 I'm reading a YA series right now with a 14 yo male protagonist where
Our Hero is swinging wildly between being confident and capable and
mature and being an immature brat who can't deal with anything. I can't
decide if this is bad writing to have the character react as needed in
that scene or excellent writing that captures the huge mood swings of
being 14.

As a former 14 year old boy, I have to say, that you're missing a major component of their behavior. One that consumes them. Four or five times a day.

Posted by: pep at March 11, 2015 05:23 PM (4nR9/)

103 ok, I'ma gonna go watch the snow melt raise the water level in the sump basin. The float switch is about to trip.

Posted by: J. Roman Tubears at March 11, 2015 05:24 PM (id2wM)

104 A lady is a person you lay your coat over a mud puddle for.

A feminist is what you use if you don't have a coat handy.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 11, 2015 05:24 PM (FMbng)

105 Instead of closing his Twitter account, he should have told them to go bake some cookies for their husbands. Posted by: nerdygirl at March 11, 2015 05:16 PM (Urach)

-----------------------------------------

Better yet (just for the sake of the reaction), he should have told them to get off twitter, take a bath, fix your hair, put on some nice perfume and some revealing lingere and be ready when their man comes home.

Posted by: Soona at March 11, 2015 05:24 PM (/HX7u)

106 to be at the vanguard of the enforcers - to be the craziest motherf*cker in the group.

They honestly do NOT want to set that precedent.
Because I win.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 11, 2015 05:24 PM (FK/0+)

107 The crazy is 5 minutes early.

Posted by: Lauren at March 11, 2015 05:25 PM (MYCIw)

108 Clive, Iowa, police say 2 brothers transported to hospital after knife fight; names match Slipknot guitarist and brother, but police won't confirm identities - @DMRegister

Posted by: Meremortal at March 11, 2015 05:25 PM (1Y+hH)

109 All dem bitches flyin into PMS rage over his comment kinda prove his point, eh? So he can't understand a group that's gonna act so totes irrational and start a lynch mob for saying that he can't understand them. Sounds like he's got a point.

Posted by: Saddam Who's Sane at March 11, 2015 05:25 PM (mkprf)

110 ~~Spies~~ Feminists. Bunch of bitchy little girls.

Posted by: Sam Axe at March 11, 2015 05:25 PM (c+Y7q)

111 This is a BFD, to use a phrase I once heard someone say.

AP is reporting (via Drudge) that approval of the Obama Presidency (I think they are trying to distinguish his personal polling from his policies here, but read it for yourself) has dropped to a record low of 18%, among Democrats. 18%.

That's going to leave a mark.

http://apne.ws/1E6AEkV

Posted by: MTF, Bring On The Art. 5 Convention! at March 11, 2015 05:25 PM (LISuA)

112 I have a girlfriend who writes YA fiction, under the pen name S. G. Rogers. Her latest book is "Tournament of Chance." She also writes bodice-ripper stuff.

She's a good friend, but I have to admit I've never read her books (looks guiltily at "Tournament of Chance" she gave me).

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 11, 2015 05:26 PM (FsuaD)

113 whatever

he is trying to say he doesnt write women very well

good for him to have the self knowledge. it isn't up to other people to tell him what to write

you know who else was not good at writing women. Mario Puzo in the Godfather. Still a fun read

not everybody is good at everything. You may as well be mad at someone for being able to sing like Axel Rose and not like Ellie Goulding

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 11, 2015 05:26 PM (zOTsN)

114 Cheezit, ladies, write your own monster books.

Posted by: SarahW at March 11, 2015 05:26 PM (Lbv/k)

115 >>>The links go to women having fainting spells over this, but I see no links where there is pushback to their rage. Anyone have any, so we can also experience the schadenfruede?

okay i'll put a tweet up, but the pushback is pretty mild, actually.

they just don't like being criticized (or, should I say, "bullied").

Posted by: ace at March 11, 2015 05:26 PM (PA7DS)

116 And why are these asian pussies/nerds jumping on the bandwagon.

Posted by: ejo at March 11, 2015 05:27 PM (rsGj7)

117 "18%, among Democrats. 18%."

No effing way!

Posted by: Meremortal at March 11, 2015 05:27 PM (1Y+hH)

118 @112
You've kind of cheated there. Approval of the executive branch is at 11%, but approval of Congress is at 5%. Last I checked, the GOP controlled it.

Thanks, John and Mitch.

Posted by: pep at March 11, 2015 05:27 PM (4nR9/)

119 they just don't like being criticized (or, should I say, "bullied").

Waaa, I'm A big strong Feminist and He bullied Me... Waaa....

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 11, 2015 05:28 PM (Bn6aD)

120 "18%, among Democrats. 18%." No effing way!
Posted by: Meremortal at March 11, 2015 05:27 PM (1Y+hH)

-----------------------------------

Two words: Grain of salt.

Posted by: Soona at March 11, 2015 05:28 PM (/HX7u)

121 Ace, don't take it so hard. It makes you look like a wuss, and if they see they're getting a rise out of you, it'll just encourage them.

I suspect they are the types who secretly desire to join ISIS.

Posted by: Eights of Spayeds at March 11, 2015 05:29 PM (xrURQ)

122 Waaa, I'm A big strong Feminist and He bullied Me... Waaa....

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again

I am woman, hear me whine...

Posted by: pep at March 11, 2015 05:29 PM (4nR9/)

123 Live by the sword, die by the sword.

ZOMFG DEATH THREAT!!!!
Also, swords are phallic, so RAPE THREAT!!!!!

Posted by: SJW Brigade at March 11, 2015 05:29 PM (2jQGY)

124 @119 You've kind of cheated there. Approval of the executive branch is at
11%, but approval of Congress is at 5%. Last I checked, the GOP
controlled it.

Numerically, only. The pederast from Nevada still runs the show.

Posted by: DocJ at March 11, 2015 05:29 PM (0RQVM)

125 Instead of closing his Twitter account, he should have told them to go bake some cookies for their husbands.
And make a sammich...
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 11, 2015 05:17
=====
He should've gone Billy Batts on the hag.

https://youtu.be/7fcWORP7Tl8

Posted by: fastfreefall at March 11, 2015 05:29 PM (JXkKC)

126 >>they just don't like being criticized (or, should I say, "bullied").

Maybe try having a salad and doing some deep knee bends?

Posted by: Garrett at March 11, 2015 05:30 PM (ibiGH)

127 From the outside, it appears that much of the Left has no sense of persepctive - minor or even non-offenses draw massive condemnation and hysteria. Sometimes this looks like simple hypocrisy, and sometimes it is.

But 18-1 nails it, it's a control mechanism - you can't control the conversation or a society by reasoned argument if your arguments are even controversial, not to mention the shambles they often are.

But, if you can get away with going completely apeshit over trivialities, you *end* the conversation, and you occupy the space where the conversation used to be. We've all been taught or learned to avoid crazy, because crazy is limitlessly dangerous, and some folks have figured out how to use that to their advantage.

There are too many factors behind why that works to even go into, but we've got too far into that mess to "fix" it in a meaningful way. To what extent we can, we're in the "identify and try to understand" phase in hopes that we develop coping techniques, otherwise something on the order of "Stalinworld" does seem to be in the offing. A society of paranoia, rage and destroyed lives.

In other words, our little vacation from human history is at risk. Because, frankly, most of that sucked pretty badly for the average person.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 11, 2015 05:30 PM (bLnSU)

128
Michelangelo wasnt very good at sculpting women. They all look like guys with snap on titis. Still, it didnt stop him.

Posted by: Bruce J. at March 11, 2015 05:30 PM (iQIUe)

129 I'm not sure I understand. Is it that if there are no female characters in a book, suddenly females lose the ability to read?

All grievance industry people make this same exact point. "We need positive role models {who look like me}." It's fully racist. What? You can't find a role model who doesn't look like you and follow their example. They have to be female, or First Nations, or Pygmy, or Eskimo or whatever to be an example?

Posted by: bonhomme at March 11, 2015 05:30 PM (jhqr1)

130 You castrate men and then demand that they be fertile.

Posted by: C. S. Lewis at March 11, 2015 05:31 PM (V70Uh)

131 Live by the sword, die by the sword.

ZOMFG DEATH THREAT!!!!
Also, swords are phallic, so RAPE THREAT!!!!!
Posted by: SJW Brigade

Shut up and go makes us some sammiches. And don't forget the cold beer.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 11, 2015 05:31 PM (FK/0+)

132 Did three Hillary Clinton aides use the private 'clintonemail.com' server while she ran the State Department? Two news outlets say it's so

At Drudgery

Posted by: Meremortal at March 11, 2015 05:32 PM (1Y+hH)

133 No subtlety to Charlie's post today. Just right to the point.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 11, 2015 05:32 PM (LA7Cm)

134 Posted by: pep at March 11, 2015 05:27 PM (4nR9/)
======================

No cheating. Congressional ratings have been that low for years. That's why they were hardly worth mentioning. What's interesting, as the article reports, is the huge drop in ratings for Obama's presidency in this "highly regarded" survey.

Posted by: MTF, Bring On The Art. 5 Convention! at March 11, 2015 05:32 PM (LISuA)

135 So according to one critic, Tess Grafton:

"[Smith's]answer so firmly in the category of outrageously sexist it's hard for me to see how anybody could interpret it differently.

The interpretation is that women are less than human, or at the very
least, inherently different from men. That is one of the oldest sexist
arguments in the entire world. ...

Women are so different they defy his incredible imagination.His answer suggests that it's impossible to write them well, or at all, without personal experience."

Funny, it was quite easy for me to interpret Smith differently.
Because boys and girls *are* different. But he never said they were "inhuman" - WTF, lady?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 11, 2015 05:32 PM (bdqzU)

136 There's no crying in the Twitter Gladiator games, ladies.

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 11, 2015 05:32 PM (pAlYe)

137
So, when is the AoShq sex party scheduled? And who is bring the lime jello?

Posted by: Bruce J. at March 11, 2015 05:33 PM (iQIUe)

138 Come on Ace... put up the clip from Nicholson's flick As Good As It Gets where he plays a writer and is asked how he writes women so well.

Posted by: RustyG at March 11, 2015 05:33 PM (34Xjk)

139 Jesus Christ, I have a cousin whose name is very close to that Sarah McCarry harridan and that's what I read at first. I had to dig through her twitter profile to confirm that my assumed intelligent kin had not morphed into that. Alas, she has not but I was scared!

That out of the way, the left is eating itself and it is hellishly fun to watch!

Posted by: DanInMN at March 11, 2015 05:33 PM (XqeyF)

140 109 Clive, Iowa, police say 2 brothers transported to hospital after knife fight; names match Slipknot guitarist and brother, but police won't confirm identities - @DMRegister

Posted by: Meremortal at March 11, 2015 05:25 PM (1Y+hH)

When Mumbly Peg goes horribly wrong.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at March 11, 2015 05:33 PM (YCG8H)

141 I can read about a male character and identify with him, his struggle or triumphs, even if I do not share the hardware

is she saying that as a rule women are incapable of identifying with a male protagonist? that they lack the emotional maturity and sophistication?

so sexist

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 11, 2015 05:34 PM (zOTsN)

142 I used to mow the lawn, in addition to child-raising, meal prep, laundry, cleaning, sammich making when asked, and taking care of myself (no haggard harpy when tired husband came home).

I feel...so...un-oppressed.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 11, 2015 05:34 PM (FsuaD)

143 So, when is the AoShq sex party scheduled? And who is bring the lime jello?

Posted by: Bruce J.

Most importantly, will it be merged with NoVaMoMee? I envision NoVaMoMeeSePar.

Posted by: pep at March 11, 2015 05:34 PM (4nR9/)

144 Guess what all the Special Snowflake Angry Wymyn on Twitter have now... "Period Stories" to share their anger at how people are just so unsympathetic at that time of the month ...

https://twitter.com/BleedandTell/status/571801120101675008

Posted by: kbdabear at March 11, 2015 05:34 PM (GrXXa)

145 For modern children's fiction you don't need to know shit about shit. Just repeat the approved tropes and you're fine. Big part of the reason kids don't read on their own today: the books they're force-fed are garbage.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at March 11, 2015 05:34 PM (XO6WW)

146 This is why I don't have a lot of girl friends. There are usually this illogical and annoying.

Posted by: Nora at March 11, 2015 05:34 PM (hkqLS)

147
Do not awaken the Clan Of The C*** Bear.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 11, 2015 05:35 PM (1Y+hH)

148 "
The interpretation is that women are less than human, or at the very
least, inherently different from men. "

Holy conflation, batman!

The interpretation that cats are murderous monsters who will kill me in my sleep, or at the ver least, inherently different from dogs...

Posted by: Lauren at March 11, 2015 05:35 PM (MYCIw)

149 How I write women is simple:

I take a man, add tits, a PhD or equivalent in a technical field, and amp up the libido.

-

Posted by: Robert Heinlein at March 11, 2015 05:36 PM (IDj42)

150 136
There's no crying in the Twitter Gladiator games, ladies.

Posted by: Maetenloch at March 11, 2015 05:32 PM (pAlYe)

Apparently there's hissing, spitting, and screeching.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 11, 2015 05:36 PM (FsuaD)

151 >>is she saying that as a rule women are incapable of identifying with a
male protagonist? that they lack the emotional maturity and
sophistication?

Well that's the catch-22: How do you reconcile:

a. We need protagonists who are just like me, a girl, or I can't relate to them.
b. How dare you say you can't write girl characters well - it's mind-blowingly sexist to say that girls are different from boys.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 11, 2015 05:36 PM (bdqzU)

152
It is a flavor of political terror.

I've been thinking this for a while now-- the SJWs are terrorists for the Left. They're there to make anyone afraid of transgressing against them lest they go off like suicide bombers.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 11, 2015 05:36 PM (MMC8r)

153 "Guess what all the Special Snowflake Angry Wymyn on Twitter have now... "Period Stories" to share their anger at how people are just so unsympathetic at that time of the month ...
"

Uh, it's called Seventeen Magazine, feminists, and we've already heard the horrible story where you were on a date with this omg, so hot! guy when you stood up and like, omg, you got your period right there at the Chilies! OMG.

Posted by: Lauren at March 11, 2015 05:37 PM (MYCIw)

154
In other words, yet another horrific train wreck with fire, explosions, and nary a single human injury to be found...other than feelings.

Posted by: Soothie at March 11, 2015 05:37 PM (okr/5)

155
Women are so different they defy his incredible imagination.His answer suggests that it's impossible to write them well, or at all, without personal experience."

If women aren't different, why demand women characters?

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 11, 2015 05:38 PM (MMC8r)

156 In other news, Juan Williams (bless his heart) has declared Hillary's! candidacy is toast.

So there's that.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 11, 2015 05:38 PM (FsuaD)

157 Bitches, man.

Bitches...

Posted by: Garrett at March 11, 2015 05:38 PM (ibiGH)

158 Guess what all the Special Snowflake Angry Wymyn on Twitter have now... "Period Stories" to share their anger at how people are just so unsympathetic at that time of the month ... https://twitter.com/BleedandTell/status/571801120101675008
Posted by: kbdabear at March 11, 2015 05:34 PM (GrXXa)

-----------------------------------------

OMG! Rag ragers. The worst.

Posted by: Soona at March 11, 2015 05:38 PM (/HX7u)

159 I am reminded of Churchill's statement about the Germans "Thinking they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them."

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at March 11, 2015 05:38 PM (rg4Fe)

160 Guess what all the Special Snowflake Angry Wymyn on Twitter have now... "Period Stories" to share their anger at how people are just so unsympathetic at that time of the month ... https://twitter.com/BleedandTell/status/571801120101675008
Posted by: kbdabear at March 11, 2015 05:34 PM (GrXXa)

-----------------------------------------

OMG! Rag ragers. The worst.

Posted by: Soona at March 11, 2015 05:39 PM (/HX7u)

161 156 In other news, Juan Williams (bless his heart) has declared Hillary's! candidacy is toast.

So there's that.

See the Feminists are right... They bullied poor Hillary...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 11, 2015 05:39 PM (Bn6aD)

162 Listening to Juan Williams makes your IQ drop 50pts.

Posted by: dantesed at March 11, 2015 05:39 PM (88xKn)

163 >>>Clive, Iowa, police say 2 brothers transported to hospital after knife
fight; names match Slipknot guitarist and brother, but police won't
confirm identities - @DMRegister

Posted by: Meremortal at March 11, 2015 05:25 PM (1Y+hH)
<<<

Guess that would call for a little "Wait and Bleed".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1zCN0YhW1s

Posted by: Slipknot at March 11, 2015 05:39 PM (c+Y7q)

164 >>> Writing girls is like drawing minorities. Even if you don't emphasize any distinguishing traits, someone will claim you've done a stereotype.

Legit question for the Horde:

I have a story I've plotted out, researched, and begun outlining. It has historical elements and has characters that are native americans, and blacks and slaves. Would love to bang out a first draft of it this year. Honestly, there are only three things keeping me from going at it like gangbusters:

1) Real life getting in the way of writing
2) my own insecurities that I cannot do the story I want to tell justice and if I research just a leetle bit more, it will finally be perfect
3) That due to the SJW faction in fiction, I will get hounded and Salem Trialed for daring to write about minorities when I am a cisgendered whitey white. Also for painting certain historical figures in our nation's past as noble when modern history is all about painting them as out of touch racists.

1 and 2 I need to tackle on my own. 3, is the one that bothers me the most, because it is totally out of my hands how it will be perceived. I know I should not care and just write like the wind, but it keeps being a concern in the back of my mind. Reading Correia's battle against the SJW gives me courage though. And if 3 is a big enough issue that I can't find a publisher, I guess I could always self publish.

Posted by: LizLem at March 11, 2015 05:40 PM (yRwC8)

165 In other news, Juan Williams (bless his heart) has declared Hillary's! candidacy is toast.

If only Juan weren't an idiot.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 11, 2015 05:40 PM (MMC8r)

166 That was a very impressive staggered triple post, Sonna.

Posted by: Lauren at March 11, 2015 05:40 PM (MYCIw)

167 So there's that.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

I hope we get to find out who is behind this dismantling, assuming it's not a head fake.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 11, 2015 05:40 PM (1Y+hH)

168 164
Listening to Juan Williams makes your IQ drop 50pts.

Posted by: dantesed at March 11, 2015 05:39 PM (88xKn)

I have a sekrit filter. Top. Sekrit.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 11, 2015 05:40 PM (FsuaD)

169 149
How I write women is simple:

I take a man, add tits, a PhD or equivalent in a technical field, and amp up the libido.

-

Posted by: Robert Heinlein at March 11, 2015 05:36 PM (IDj42)
Well, that apparently is what he was acquainted with. Virginia Heinlein is reputed to have been a genius.

Posted by: DanInMN at March 11, 2015 05:41 PM (XqeyF)

170 Politics has become a form of blackmail on the left anyway. Give us what we want (abortion money, tax money, control, power) and we won't destroy your life quickly, and we'll even pretend we won't destroy it at all.

Do the opposite of what we want, we'll lie about you, protest in front of your parents' house, threaten you, get you fired, wreck your reputation, or even attack you personally and physically (long popular as a union tactic, had a brief popularity on the left in general during the height of the Cold War).

There are aholes everywhere, but some groups make it part of their culture.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 11, 2015 05:41 PM (bLnSU)

171 >153 "Guess what all the Special Snowflake Angry Wymyn on Twitter have now... "Period Stories" to share their anger at how people are just so unsympathetic at that time of the month ...

...ruining my new white pants.

Posted by: Period Storybook Endings at March 11, 2015 05:41 PM (ibiGH)

172 Jeebus. MUMR with the boys' penises. ENOUGH.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 11, 2015 05:41 PM (FsuaD)

173 Write it, Liz.

Screw the SJWrs. If we stop writing, they win. Plus, it sounds really interesting!

Posted by: Lauren at March 11, 2015 05:42 PM (MYCIw)

174 "Big part of the reason kids don't read on their own today: the books they're force-fed are garbage."

I noted on one of the weekend book threads that the younger male members of my extended family all appear to have been permanently turned off to the idea of reading for pleasure.

Because the educrat apparat-chicks who run the schools and decide upon curricula and reading lists decided to force those boys to read a bunch of boring introspective femlit that wasn't at all to their tastes.

It's almost as though there's a deliberate agenda being implemented by the left to educationally and socially hobble boys by insisting that they behave and think like girls, and then punishing them for their failure to do so. But of course that's paranoid conspiracy talk.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 11, 2015 05:42 PM (noWW6)

175 So I went to the Vice link...I am honestly more offended by the terrible photoshopping on the cover than I am by anything that Andrew Smith said.

Posted by: LizLem at March 11, 2015 05:43 PM (yRwC8)

176 128

Michelangelo wasnt very good at sculpting women. They all look like guys with snap on titis. Still, it didnt stop him.

That's what real trans-women look like! Stop trying to impose your cis-normative values on everyone!!!!

Posted by: SJW Brigade at March 11, 2015 05:43 PM (2jQGY)

177 Torquewrench, depending on their age (around 10ish would be perfect) introduce them to the Redwall series. Nerdy as all hell, but lots of adventure and strong male characters..who all happen to be rodents, but you know.

Posted by: Lauren at March 11, 2015 05:44 PM (MYCIw)

178 ...then the Medicine Man stopped the ceremony and asked me to leave the Sweat Lodge. I was mortified!

Posted by: Period Storybook Endings at March 11, 2015 05:44 PM (ibiGH)

179

I found this.

https://twitter.com/search?q=andrew%20smith&src=typd

and this

https://twitter.com/jpsmythe

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Chelsea v ParisSG extra time at March 11, 2015 05:44 PM (IXrOn)

180 Feminists: we must politicize all the things then complain anyway.

Posted by: Nora at March 11, 2015 05:44 PM (hkqLS)

181 I wonder if Sarah McCarry is a HUGO voter?

Sounds like she could fit right in, if she isn't one.

Posted by: MTF, Bring On The Art. 5 Convention! at March 11, 2015 05:44 PM (LISuA)

182

In media, if you're not pushing the progressive agenda, you're a racist bigot queerphobe.

You are either with the Leftist Terrorists or you are against them.

Posted by: Soothie at March 11, 2015 05:45 PM (okr/5)

183 >> https://twitter.com/BleedandTell/status/571801120101675008

Why does this exist?
Is there a twitter feed that celebrates taking a dump, picking an especially big booger, or rubbing one out?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 11, 2015 05:45 PM (bdqzU)

184 why doesn't someone tell the critic if she has such a specific idea of what needs to be in a book

SHE CAN WRITE ONE

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 11, 2015 05:45 PM (zOTsN)

185 Should have hung out at the Planet Fitness ladies locker room.
Plenty of opportunity to get to know women, and girls.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 11, 2015 05:46 PM (hzrlb)

186 why does she need a man to write the story FOR her

isn't she capable of writing her own story?

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 11, 2015 05:46 PM (zOTsN)

187 >172 Jeebus. MUMR with the boys' penises. ENOUGH.

Jane doesn't speak for all of us, btw.

Posted by: Harry Reid at March 11, 2015 05:46 PM (ibiGH)

188 That was a very impressive staggered triple post, Sonna.

-----------------------------------------

Skill and a light touch.

Posted by: Soona at March 11, 2015 05:46 PM (/HX7u)

189 "SHE CAN WRITE ONE"

Oh we went over this with Gamergate. It's somehow sexist to tell someone to just make the damn game they want to play themselves because, reasons.

Posted by: Lauren at March 11, 2015 05:47 PM (MYCIw)

190
I can only imagine how the Left 'got to' the Person Of Interest producers to make them wedge a homosexual angle into the storyline.

The 'thing' between Root, who is a lame character performed by a lame actress, and Shaw is pointless and drags to the episode to awkward halt every time they're in the same scene.

Posted by: Soothie at March 11, 2015 05:47 PM (okr/5)

191 If the Internet has existed 2000 years ago, it's a safe bet that Jesus would have been crucified merely for ssking Mary Magdalene to make him a sammich.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 11, 2015 05:48 PM (Hps5q)

192

Anthony Breznican, cutie.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Chelsea v ParisSG extra time at March 11, 2015 05:49 PM (IXrOn)

193
What gets me is how blatant the homage to homosexuals is now on Person Of Interest -- they went as far as to insert the silly inverted pink triangle in the show's opening.

Posted by: Soothie at March 11, 2015 05:49 PM (okr/5)

194 Yeah there are only four billion chick lit and romance novels floating around Amazon.

Posted by: NCKate at March 11, 2015 05:50 PM (7fgME)

195 I can only imagine how the Left 'got to' the Person Of Interest producers to make them wedge a homosexual angle into the storyline.

The 'thing' between Root, who is a lame character performed by a lame actress, and Shaw is pointless and drags to the episode to awkward halt every time they're in the same scene.

Posted by: Soothie at March 11, 2015 05:47 PM (okr/5)

Yeah, it took one of the new ClintonYogaPositions to get there...

So stupid.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Chelsea v ParisSG extra time at March 11, 2015 05:50 PM (IXrOn)

196 There is no 'Right' to not be offended...

and I'm tired of those who think there is.

And if someone says... 'you can't comment on X, because you are not the correct sex, or race.... are they not, by definition, judging YOU on your sex, or race?

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 11, 2015 05:51 PM (qh617)

197 The 'thing' between Root, who is a lame character performed by a lame actress, and Shaw is pointless and drags to the episode to awkward halt every time they're in the same scene.

Posted by: Soothie at March 11, 2015 05:47 PM (okr/5)

Yeah, it took one of the new ClintonYogaPositions to get there...

So stupid.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Chelsea v ParisSG extra time at March 11, 2015 05:50 PM (IXrOn)

Yeah.... funny how less than 2% of the population is Gay.... yet 1/2 of the TV shows seem to have a gay character...

And don't even get me started on when they made Sherlock Holmes gay....

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 11, 2015 05:53 PM (qh617)

198 SJW are the people who grew up on fandom-rants on livejournal.

Seriously, the vitrol is exactly the same. When they were in middle/high school they were posting online screeds about "Die Ginny! Harry/Hermione For-Evah!" And tearing eachother apart over that nonsense, and now they've gone to indoctrination (college) and switched to "Men Are Evil For-Evah!"

Posted by: nnptcgrad at March 11, 2015 05:53 PM (Opyrm)

199 Ace esta en fuego hoy.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at March 11, 2015 05:53 PM (0RdKg)

200 Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Chelsea v ParisSG extra time at March 11, 2015 05:44 PM (IXrOn)

Thanks, that led to some really neat links!

http://bit.ly/18BjGSS
https://twitter.com/jpsmythe/status/575770898063564800

If the writer plays this right, the controversy will help him sell MORE books, not less. I'd never heard of him before today; now I want to read him almost out of spite, hah.

Posted by: LizLem at March 11, 2015 05:53 PM (yRwC8)

201 For a minute there I thought you said "Sex WITH monsters" and I suddenly imagined wrestling Jen Psaki's sweater baboons.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 11, 2015 05:54 PM (Hps5q)

202
He should have said touching boys' penises turns him on. Then he'd be popular.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney

It's true.
Or, even, go the Jim Webb route and turn a boy upside down and...

It's all good because Webb is a Democrat and he was encouraging homosexual pedohilia, which is a Progressive tenet.

Posted by: Soothie at March 11, 2015 05:54 PM (okr/5)

203 "Torquewrench, depending on their age (around 10ish would be perfect) introduce them to the Redwall series. Nerdy as all hell, but lots of adventure and strong male characters..who all happen to be rodents, but you know."

Thanks, Lauren, but I have the sickening feeling of too little, too late.

There's a window where children and especially boy children can be lit up by the idea of reading for fun, and if that happens, the habit usually sticks for life.

Unfortunately, while that window was open, a bunch of chick lit of absolutely no interest to those boys was shoveled through it. And they were told to read it and be prepared to be tested on it, or else.

So now the window is shut. Welded shut.

Actual conversation:

"I read this amazing book last week. [description thereof] Say, have you been reading anything cool lately? Any recommendations?"

::: long pause :::

"Um, I guess playing _Call of Duty_ doesn't really count, does it."

Posted by: torquewrench at March 11, 2015 05:55 PM (noWW6)

204 Instead of closing his Twitter account, he should have told them to go bake some cookies for their husbands.

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 11, 2015 05:16 PM (Urach)

"Make me a sammich" may be a little provocative

I suggest starting with "show us your tits"

Posted by: kbdabear at March 11, 2015 05:55 PM (GrXXa)

205 "And if someone says... 'you can't comment on X, because you are not the correct sex, or race.... are they not, by definition, judging YOU on your sex, or race?"

I always go with: I see you have an opinion about guns. Do you own a gun?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 11, 2015 05:55 PM (hzrlb)

206 You DO realize it doesn't matter WHAT Andew Smith had to say once he was marked as a target, right? It would never have been the right thing.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at March 11, 2015 05:55 PM (XO6WW)

207 It takes dedication to type penis that many times.

Posted by: Lauren at March 11, 2015 05:55 PM (MYCIw)

208 Look I have been married 23 years, two younger sisters, and work in a predominately female environment. So ask me what I know about women...nada.

Seriously sometimes I think I do (this is when its most dangerous for me) , and then I realize I am wrong. So nada.

Posted by: Badda Bing at March 11, 2015 05:56 PM (JgQLj)

209 Posted by: LizLem at March 11, 2015 05:40 PM (yRwC

On #3???

Writing under a false name has a long history...

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 11, 2015 05:56 PM (qh617)

210 Seriously sometimes I think I do (this is when its most dangerous for me) , and then I realize I am wrong. So nada.

Posted by: Badda Bing at March 11, 2015 05:56 PM (JgQLj)

And most women don't know SHIT about Men either...

They just think we are retarded women....

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 11, 2015 05:57 PM (qh617)

211 I really hope everyone on Twitter has sent out the Nicholson line.

"I think of a man. And then I remove all reason and accountability."

Posted by: Buzzion at March 11, 2015 05:57 PM (e+nqA)

212 150,000 folks petition the White House to level treason charges against the 47 Sens who sent open letter to Iran.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 11, 2015 05:14 PM (XmOA9)

550,000 have petitioned the BBC to reinstate Jeremy Clarkson

Posted by: kbdabear at March 11, 2015 05:58 PM (GrXXa)

213 Torquewrench, depending on their age (around 10ish would be perfect) introduce them to the Redwall series. Nerdy as all hell, but lots of adventure and strong male characters..who all happen to be rodents, but you know.

Black Cauldron books, aka the Prydain Chronicles, was one of my faves at that time I think. And the protagonist is, gasp, a boy!

I also liked Jack London books. Though I guess London would be critiqued today as needing to check his specie privilege, for daring to write from the perspective of a dog?

Posted by: LizLem at March 11, 2015 05:58 PM (yRwC8)

214

they made Sherlock a queer??

Posted by: Soothie at March 11, 2015 05:58 PM (okr/5)

215 When she was born, that was the first girl I ever had in my life.

Did his daughter spring fully formed from his head???

Posted by: The Lightning Hat at March 11, 2015 05:59 PM (0Ew3K)

216 Well, that apparently is what he was acquainted with. Virginia Heinlein is reputed to have been a genius.
Posted by: DanInMN at March 11, 2015 05:41 PM (XqeyF)

Based on his later writings (I mean garbage like "To Sail Beyond the Sunset" & "Numper of the Beets") he sure wasn't getting any.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Goodlife Knitting Klatsch at March 11, 2015 05:59 PM (Q819Q)

217 @215

Yeah, I didn't know that either.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 11, 2015 06:00 PM (LA7Cm)

218
And most women don't know SHIT about Men either...

They just think we are retarded women....

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 11, 2015 05:57 PM (qh617)

Ooooh....now I get it. That makes a lot of sense. especially in the looks I get.

Posted by: Badda Bing at March 11, 2015 06:00 PM (JgQLj)

219 215

they made Sherlock a queer??

Posted by: Soothie at March 11, 2015 05:58 PM (okr/5)

BBC

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 11, 2015 06:00 PM (qh617)

220 >>> For a minute there I thought you said "Sex WITH monsters"

Done and done!

Posted by: Taken by a T-Rex, a classic piece of literature for our times, written by a woman at March 11, 2015 06:01 PM (yRwC8)

221 They don't deserve the dignity of an attempted interaction. It's futile anyway. Just file away their rantings as evidence of liberal insanity and immaturity.

They've passed some sort of event horizon and fallen into an inescapable black hole of rage and bitterness, where they will coalesce into a singularity with Muslims, homosexual activists and race baiters, eventually destroying the entire planet. Have a nice day.

Posted by: Jihillary Clinton at March 11, 2015 06:01 PM (xrURQ)

222 If you knew your companions into old age were going to be cats and vibrators, you might be a little bitchy too.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at March 11, 2015 06:01 PM (AC0lD)

223 *heartbreak*

Another Marine was killed in a training exercise in Yuma, AZ today.

-- Fox

Easy to forget how dangerous training exercises are. God comfort the heartbroken families of the Marines and soldiers who lost their lives last night and today.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 11, 2015 06:01 PM (FsuaD)

224 "BBC"

British Broadcasting Corporation..........or?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 11, 2015 06:01 PM (LA7Cm)

225 The feminist critique came from Tumblr.

Of Course

Posted by: The Sane Hat at March 11, 2015 06:02 PM (0Ew3K)

226
oh, of course

I stopped watching Benedict Cumberpatch a long time ago. It is a terrible show.

Posted by: Soothie at March 11, 2015 06:02 PM (okr/5)

227 "Women" like these do for females what those asshole thugs beating up the Chuck E. Cheese manager do for black folk.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 11, 2015 06:02 PM (mx5oN)

228 Yeah! The troll is here!

I was thinking the other day he should buy some life guidance or rent some friends on Fiverr.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at March 11, 2015 06:02 PM (AC0lD)

229 they made Sherlock a queer??

Posted by: Soothie at March 11, 2015 05:58 PM (okr/5)

BBC

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 11, 2015 06:00 PM (qh617)

Just think of the BBC as being run by Harry Reid clones...

Posted by: The Uncloned Hat at March 11, 2015 06:03 PM (0Ew3K)

230 150,000 folks petition the White House to level treason charges against the 47 Sens who sent open letter to Iran.

I would sign that petition. Watching every single court toss the case out on its ear, with increasingly insulting language, would be worth it.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Goodlife Knitting Klatsch at March 11, 2015 06:03 PM (Q819Q)

231 231 150,000 folks petition the White House to level treason charges against the 47 Sens who sent open letter to Iran.

Jesus. And these people vote.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 11, 2015 06:04 PM (mx5oN)

232 While I have a close group of female friends, I've always gotten along better with men.

I have a girlfriend whose spoiled, entitled, mouthy, teenaged daughter (who treats her mother like hell) I want to bitch-slap into the next century. And the little bitch (17 yo) is rude to her mother's friends.

I was our son's worst enemy when he was growing up. And he thanks me for it now. Now, we're friends.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 11, 2015 06:05 PM (FsuaD)

233
I gave up on Cumberbun when he was shilling with David Morrissey about some terrorist in Gitmo.

Posted by: Bruce J. at March 11, 2015 06:06 PM (iQIUe)

234 'The Rejectionist' is like a Prozac 'before' picture.

Making a place for these hair-trigger emotional hand-grenades to fester is not good for a society.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 11, 2015 06:07 PM (MMC8r)

235 The As Good as it Gets link ppl were asking for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g9_wfkYjfo

Posted by: LizLem at March 11, 2015 06:07 PM (yRwC8)

236 @203 Unfortunately, while that window was open, a bunch of chick lit of absolutely no interest to those boys was shoveled through it. And they were told to read it and be prepared to be tested on it, or else.
------------------

It's still salvageable. You just need the right sort of thing to pique their interest. I'm not saying it would be easy. But pulling it off would be worth the effort.

Unfortunately, you'd probably need some outside additional inducement at this point. But once you can get them pointed in the right general direction, and give them a nudge to read the first book or two, they might very well continue on their own without any further need for intervention.

Posted by: junior at March 11, 2015 06:08 PM (UWFpX)

237 Posted by: junior at March 11, 2015 06:08 PM (UWFpX)

Hmmm.... Randy teenage boy books???

Gor???

(would you believe they were in the SCHOOL LIBRARY when I was in Junior High School???)

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 11, 2015 06:10 PM (qh617)

238 >>> I would sign that petition. Watching every single court toss the case out on its ear, with increasingly insulting language, would be worth it.

"Petitioners, what you've just asked for is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Posted by: Proper response from a judge in a sane world at March 11, 2015 06:10 PM (yRwC8)

239 @237 Hmmm.... Randy teenage boy books???

Gor???

(would you believe they were in the SCHOOL LIBRARY when I was in Junior High School???)
-----------------------

Probably doesn't surprise me as much as it ought to.

My city's central public library used to have some as well, tucked in with all of the other sci-fi and fantasy books. However, I didn't know what they were when I was a teenager, so I didn't try to borrow any of them...

Posted by: junior at March 11, 2015 06:13 PM (UWFpX)

240
Bully bully we much?

Posted by: The Esteemed Al Sharkton at March 11, 2015 06:13 PM (P330y)

241 Chicks are not only bad at math and science, but also apparently literature as well.

Posted by: Larry Summers at March 11, 2015 06:13 PM (XrHO0)

242 OT: UC students association votes to divest from gun companies; UC already divested two years ago.

FAIL

http://tinyurl.com/pzqqlt5

Posted by: Happiness is a warm Hat at March 11, 2015 06:14 PM (0Ew3K)

243 Posted by: Proper response from a judge in a sane world

One of my all-time-favorite movie quotes. Absolutely hilarious.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at March 11, 2015 06:15 PM (/Ho8c)

244
They just think we are retarded women....

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 11, 2015 05:57 PM (qh617)

Guys always pee on the bathroom floor and wipe their dicks on the motel drapes. Gross.

Posted by: Lena Dunham at March 11, 2015 06:15 PM (P330y)

245 Guys always pee on the bathroom floor and wipe their dicks on the motel drapes. Gross.

Posted by: Lena Dunham

Curses! Caught again!

Posted by: Moderate Salami at March 11, 2015 06:17 PM (/Ho8c)

246 They just think we are retarded women....

Well, boys are systematically treated as if they were defective girls, so that makes sense.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 11, 2015 06:22 PM (mx5oN)

247 I always go with: I see you have an opinion about guns. Do you own a gun?

----

Two of 'em.

*kisses biceps*

Posted by: Gym Rat at March 11, 2015 06:24 PM (VAsIq)

248 @213 Torquewrench, depending on their age (around 10ish would be perfect) introduce them to the Redwall series. Nerdy as all hell, but lots of adventure and strong male characters..who all happen to be rodents, but you know.
--------------------------

I read a few, but got dissatisfied with them pretty quickly. Also, there are a *lot* of them.

-------------------------

Black Cauldron books, aka the Prydain Chronicles, was one of my faves at that time I think. And the protagonist is, gasp, a boy!

-------------------------

These are classics, but sometimes hard to find. When I got the complete set for my nephew, I had to wait several months for them to come back in print. Parts of them will no doubt be disturbing for some special snowflakes (seriously - there's some creepy stuff in there; it's the good kind of creepy, as opposed to the morally bankrupt author kind of creepy), but nothing that teenage boys shouldn't be able to handle. It's based off of Welsh mythological elements (which explains some of the unpronounceable names...). If parts of it weren't creepy, then something would be wrong. Disney made a move based very loosely off of elements of the first and second book. It sucks.

As LizLem notes, the protagonist is male. There's also a strong female character, though she's completely absent from one of the books (for reasons of plot). The rest of the cast is quite memorable as well.

---------------------------

I also liked Jack London books. Though I guess London would be critiqued today as needing to check his specie privilege, for daring to write from the perspective of a dog?
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For more modern stuff, I'd recommend Brandon Sanderson's two recent YA series. 'The Rithmatist' was inspired by real-time strategy video-games, and contains a steampunk world with chalk magic, and a US that's composed of lots of islands threatened by 2D chalk monsters. Oh, and Korea conquers Europe.

Steelheart is a dark book that's set in a dystopian world that has supervillains, but no superheroes. The titular character is essentially an analog for Superman gone bad. And the protagonist is trying to figure out Steelheart's weakness in order to get revenge for the murder of the protagonist's father. Given all the attention that superheroes have been getting lately, it's possible that this might get some attention.

Posted by: junior at March 11, 2015 06:26 PM (UWFpX)

249 "http://tinyurl.com/pzqqlt5"

Moar stupid. And harder this time.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 11, 2015 06:26 PM (LA7Cm)

250 Big fan of the Black Cauldron books.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at March 11, 2015 06:30 PM (/Ho8c)

251 *tumbleweed blows by*

Posted by: LizLem at March 11, 2015 06:35 PM (yRwC8)

252 No time to read through all 250 posts so I'll just posit, this guy is gay and he and his husband (still a weird thing to write) had themselves a surrogate daughter?

Posted by: Dirty Randy at March 11, 2015 06:40 PM (xOu6p)

253 Some days I would really like to totally ignore women. I don't for two reasons.
1. It would be too depressing when I realized none of them even noticed.
2. Why do them any favors?

Posted by: JB1000 at March 11, 2015 06:41 PM (WLJbV)

254 If you live in fear because of terrorist, th terrorists have won. If you live in irritation because of SJWs, then the SJWs have won.

Posted by: Larry Summers at March 11, 2015 07:23 PM (xrURQ)

255 When Breznican is the Voice of Reason on this topic, but every bit the raving SJW on GG and calling Senate GOP "f***ing TREASON"...

it's hard not to root for more insaner-than-thou insanity on Twitter to pummel people like him back to reality. They can worship at the PC altar all they want, but it will Never. Be. Enough. All it takes is one more pull from the Jenga pile and people like Breznican find themselves on the wrong side of the mob, with few left to help circle the wagons.

Posted by: sulla at March 11, 2015 07:38 PM (0GucZ)

256 The YA author said his daughter was the first "girl" in his life, not the first "woman". He grew up in a house full of testosterone and his mother's feminine ways were probably not on his radar as a kid. Give him a break. What he says makes perfect sense to me.

Posted by: rusticbroad at March 11, 2015 09:35 PM (FjF3P)

257 "How do you write women so well?"

"I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability."

Posted by: Fen at March 11, 2015 09:37 PM (zhb21)

258 I grew up with no dad and no brothers, and I always felt that boys came from some other planet. I totally relate to the author and I wish the knee-jerk feminists would stop making us reasonable women look bad.

Posted by: lin at March 11, 2015 10:54 PM (SnIF+)

259 What makes Dirty Randy think Andrew Smith is gay?

Just because he co-authored this?

Barnes Ig Noble Overview - Queering the Gothic is the first multi-authored book concerned with the developing interface between Gothic criticism and queer theory. Considering a range of Gothic texts produced between the eighteenth century and the present, the contributors explore the relationship between reading Gothically and reading Queerly, making this collection both an important reassessment of the Gothic tradition and a significant contribution to scholarship on ...

Posted by: Marooned at March 11, 2015 11:26 PM (hTHAs)

260 "If you're gonna be a Twitter Gladiator Thug, you don't get to cry and say "But I'm a girl!!!" when someone hits you back."

As a society, we're generally inclined to allow people some benefit of the doubt when they use a "victim" status as a sword or as a shield. But the line has to be drown when it is used for both.

Posted by: can of spam at March 12, 2015 08:28 AM (g0aRc)

261
I have a daughter now; she's 17. When she was born, that was the first girl I ever had in my life.

Wow, that's impressive. He gave birth to a daughter by himself. But that's unlikely, so another woman was involved. Surely she was in his life for more than the 5 minutes it took him to, umm, plant his seeds.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at March 12, 2015 08:45 AM (1hM1d)

262 Repeal the 19th Amendment. The world beyond the bedroom, kitchen, and nursery is too SCARY for them.

Posted by: ToursLepantoVienna at March 12, 2015 02:58 PM (F9l4e)

263 Late to the party as always, but....

Yeah, no shit bitches be cray cray. The one who wrote the insipid Storify tweets thinks she's a vampire. Like Otherkin, but edgier.

I seriously believe that if we managed to slip some Zoloft into their white chocolate moccinos, we could take out about 90% of the feminist cult in one fell swoop.

Posted by: Saber Alter at March 12, 2015 07:30 PM (eawKK)

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