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As Expected, John Boehner Sells Out the Conservatives In Yet Another Performance of "Failure Theater"
Failure Theater is the process by which the Establishment deliberately fails to do achieve anything, but wants credit from the Dumb Conservatives they're playing to for allegedly "trying."
Each of Boehner's and McConnell's "defeats" are in fact planned in advance. They are not trying to advance the conservative agenda; they are attempting to con conservatives into believing they have attempted to implement conservative policy, when in fact they were delivering their political deliverables to their Donor Class paymasters all along. Uneducated, gullible, and easily led: if we stand for this, we are exactly what the Washington Post slurred us as 30 years ago.Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: FCF at March 03, 2015 02:22 PM (kejii)
Posted by: Foist at March 03, 2015 02:22 PM (tU+ul)
Posted by: some guy at March 03, 2015 02:22 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Foist at March 03, 2015 02:22 PM (tU+ul)
Posted by: Y-not on her phone at March 03, 2015 02:23 PM (9BRsg)
Posted by: The Dude at March 03, 2015 02:23 PM (SyKbw)
Kabuki rhymes with GOPe.... coincidence?
Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 02:24 PM (qh617)
Is it because, although they JUST WON AND ELECTION and JUST TOOK OFFICE, they are already worry about memes in attack ads put out by progressives in 2016 races??
Or is it that they really secretly are progressive politicians themselves, and pretend not to be?
Or or they simply beaten, gagged, and bound by their fear of the Mainstream Media's liberal pundits?
Or what?
I NEED TO KNOW.
Posted by: zombie at March 03, 2015 02:24 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: rd at March 03, 2015 02:25 PM (k19Aq)
Nothing will change. Because the establishment has been doing this forever and it's always worked for them, and no one seems to have the balls to actually step up and try to create a viable third party option.
And my gut says that even if they did, the R establishment would find a way to co-opt it.
See party, TEA for more on how that process works.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 02:25 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: zombie at March 03, 2015 02:25 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Lizzy at March 03, 2015 02:25 PM (lHHyw)
Posted by: jmel at March 03, 2015 02:25 PM (t1oUn)
Posted by: rd at March 03, 2015 02:25 PM (k19Aq)
Posted by: Ibin Pharteen at March 03, 2015 02:26 PM (zL/eJ)
They are politicians who care nothing about ideology, and only about their own power, influence, and wealth.
So all of the incentives in DC point to being progressives, and that's what they'll do.
yeah, they have to throw a bone to the dummy unlearned redneck knuckle draggers back home from time to time, but when push comes to shove, they do what the DC power structure wants (see: TARP).
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 02:26 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: NSA at March 03, 2015 02:26 PM (lHHyw)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 02:27 PM (kff5f)
The only remaining check on Obama is the courts. If that wasn't already painfully clear before today, it is now
Indeed, Miss Lindsey said as much, he said more or less "let's not dick with funding, let's let the courts sort it out."
The power of the purse is so passe.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) and his daughter at March 03, 2015 02:27 PM (HDwDg)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 02:27 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 02:27 PM (kff5f)
>>>Remember, you can't vote out Boehner as he's better than a ham sandwich
If you put a bourbon barbeque sauce on it, I doubt anyone could tell the difference.
Posted by: LibertarianJim at March 03, 2015 02:27 PM (XMDuf)
Posted by: Boehner'sTearDucts at March 03, 2015 02:27 PM (Gcu5R)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 03, 2015 02:27 PM (oKE6c)
Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 02:28 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Geof Francs at March 03, 2015 02:28 PM (dguQT)
The weeping boner and bitch mcconnell can seriously go and fuck themselves. Preferably with something sharp and rusty
Posted by: STB applauding... at March 03, 2015 02:28 PM (Ofkpg)
In the runoff to the elections, I kept saying that to reward the feckless homunculi in the GOPe with control of the House and Senate - despite the fact that they have never shown any willingness to use their Constitutional tools to impede the dog-eating crackhead, despite the fact that they regularly sell out conservatives on every position and despite the fact thet they openly bragged about shoving amnesty down our throats - would be to prove to them that they could say anything they wanted and do anything they wanted and we, the gullible con-saps would still reward them.
"No, no," I was told. "They see how much the Obama agenda is hated around the country. Give them the tools and they'll do the job!"
Who's the tool now?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 03, 2015 02:28 PM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Elize Nayden at March 03, 2015 02:28 PM (3uNuH)
Posted by: maddogg at March 03, 2015 02:28 PM (xWW96)
To be fair I never said that.
I did say that I didn't think there were enough people with balls in the caucus to make it work. If you strike at the king you must kill him. And I doubt they could even get the shot in the same general area as him.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) and his daughter at March 03, 2015 02:28 PM (HDwDg)
I'm glad Bibi got Churchill's bust. But I'd like to borrow it and smack Boehner upside the head with it.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 02:28 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: rd
But WHY are they not on our side?
Why are they already worried about the 2016 congressional election? IS THERE NO "DOWN TIME" ANYMORE BETWEEN ELECTIONS? Does the campaign for the next one begin as the balloons are descending at the victory party?
Posted by: zombie at March 03, 2015 02:28 PM (K4YiS)
At least have the courage and Honor to say what you're going to do. If you're against me, that's fine. Don't lie about it.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 02:29 PM (kff5f)
Two reasons.
1) RACISSST!!11!
2) They are the same side as the dems. We are the enemy.
Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 02:29 PM (MYCIw)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 02:27 PM (CMkNk)
Take it back? How?
Our voices don't matter at all. Yeah, if we blow up their phone lines enough we can get them to do a kabuki "we'll fix this (then dramatically cave)", but they don't believe the same things we do -- they're agnostic to politics. They just do and say what it takes to enrich themselves with power, influence, money (and in the case of bill clinton) friends with pedophile islands.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 02:29 PM (AkOaV)
What do we study here?
THE WAY OF THE FIST SIR!
And what is that way?
STRIKE FIRST. STRIKE HARD. NO MERCY SIR!
I can't hear you!
STRIKE FIRST. STRIKE HARD. NO MERCY SIR!
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 03, 2015 02:29 PM (kdS6q)
Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 02:28 PM (kff5f)'
We need the infrastructure. Though what you suggest is appropriate for the Quislings.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 02:29 PM (CMkNk)
Let me try.
There are three major parties in the U.S. government.
One stands for a generally dovish foreign policy, and the rapid expansion of government activity and spending in most domestic policy.
One stands for a generally hawkish policy and the gradual expansion of government activity and spending in most domestic policy.
One has mixed views on foreign policy and wants a smaller government that spends less.
The latter two parties are called Republican. The middle one holds the leadership in congress, knows it can reach an accommodation with the first, and knows it can't with the third.
Posted by: JPS at March 03, 2015 02:29 PM (pGBH1)
Posted by: The Dude at March 03, 2015 02:29 PM (SyKbw)
Posted by: mr chumpo at March 03, 2015 02:30 PM (9Z1GO)
Posted by: MTF, Fan of the Crusades at March 03, 2015 02:30 PM (FCsIb)
Posted by: Y-not on her phone at March 03, 2015 02:30 PM (9BRsg)
We need the infrastructure. Though what you suggest is appropriate for the Quislings.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015
I saw Quislings-R-Us at the Mall this past weekend.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 02:31 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 02:31 PM (LA7Cm)
It is the Whig Party.
And they with their best buddies in the Democrat Party are going to blunder us into WW3. But they will keep getting re-elected right up to the start of the war.
The not so good news is that DC and what it represents will be gone. The bad news is that about 100-150 million Americans and a Billion or so people will be dead too.
Posted by: rd at March 03, 2015 02:31 PM (k19Aq)
Posted by: The Ham Sandwich at March 03, 2015 02:31 PM (NF2Bf)
A third party will put conservatives in the wilderness forever. We have to run candidates and play the long game.
PLUS - Article V Convention of the States to force DC to reform, since it will not reform itself.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 02:31 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 02:29 PM (kff5f)
=========================
I've always loved that term. Its descriptive as all get out.
Posted by: MTF, Fan of the Crusades at March 03, 2015 02:32 PM (FCsIb)
Because our side limits them.
Our side requires virtues like honesty, and thrift, and industry from them. The other side requires no such thing- and offers them great enticements besides.
We want them to represent us, to limit their own power, and to serve as a needed check on both the Executive and the Judiciary. The other side simply wants them to allow the graft and corruption to continue, to allow (and even participate) in government expansion and usurpation of power, and to simply wash their hands when something goes wrong.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 02:32 PM (kff5f)
Because, like Milton Friedman said (paraphrasing here), the trick isn't to find the right people to be our politicians, its to set up the incentives that force the wrong people to do the right things.
But we (the voters, the base, the extremists, whatever you want to call "us") do not have any control over the incentive structure beyond our votes. And our votes are now a binary "vote for whichever party you think sucks fewer balls", which means we really don't have much say or influence over incentives at all.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 02:32 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: steevy at March 03, 2015 02:32 PM (KETbL)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 02:29 PM (kff5f)
They opened for Pink Torpedo at the Roxy in '84.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 02:32 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 03, 2015 02:33 PM (sH832)
Posted by: MTF, Bring On the Art. 5 Convention! at March 03, 2015 02:33 PM (FCsIb)
Posted by: steevy at March 03, 2015 02:33 PM (KETbL)
They keep taking the low, easy road. And everyone who vilified "so-cons" and "purists" need to take a look at what the Stupd party did; fight their own base with an intensity that they WILL NOT bring to Congress. And this plays right into "Congress is low, and useless".
Which plays right into a community oganizer turned EO factory.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 03, 2015 02:33 PM (Spluw)
But this shit is not going to be changed by the electoral process.
It's going to take something a little more, ahem, physical.
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at March 03, 2015 02:33 PM (SCcgT)
Makes me wonder just exactly what they expect to happen before or during the next "election".
It didn't matter to them whether they won or lost because the result in 2 years will be the same.
Meanwhile in totally unrelated news, Herr Grubengolfer is talking about how the Police need to be Federalized, how that can be accomplished and the benefits that will be derived.
Begun the Imperial Era has.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 03, 2015 02:34 PM (zRby/)
Yeah, that's a great answer too.
think about what we're asking of these politicians -- cut the budget, get rid of regulations, flatten the tax rates, etc. etc.
We're saying that and they're thinking "holy shit, then how will I land a 7 figure 'consulting' job when I retire from Congress? What are these guys, NUTS? That's my bread and butter they're talking about!"
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 02:34 PM (AkOaV)
They are politicians who care nothing about ideology, and only about their own power, influence, and wealth.
So all of the incentives in DC point to being progressives, and that's what they'll do.
yeah, they have to throw a bone to the dummy unlearned redneck knuckle draggers back home from time to time, but when push comes to shove, they do what the DC power structure wants (see: TARP).
Posted by: mynewhandle
35. Two reasons.
1) RACISSST!!11!
2) They are the same side as the dems. We are the enemy.
Posted by: Lauren
But they could INCREASE their power and influence by enacting the will of a majority of voters in their districts!
If they swept into office with huge margins of victory in 2914, which they did, they WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF? If they vote conservatively in Congress, sure they'll get the Alinsky treatment from the press, but their come home as conquering heroes in the own districts, and win election after election.
The GOPe's behavior is irrational -- UNLESS we face the fact that they are in fact secret progressives themselves.
Posted by: zombie at March 03, 2015 02:34 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: Eromero at March 03, 2015 02:34 PM (go5uR)
Why are they already worried about the 2016 congressional election? IS THERE NO "DOWN TIME" ANYMORE BETWEEN ELECTIONS? Does the campaign for the next one begin as the balloons are descending at the victory party?
Posted by: zombie at March 03, 2015 02:28 PM (K4YiS)
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This has nothing to do with elections. Positions critical of (even legal) immigration are shared by a plurality and there are majorities against increased immigration.
The Republican leadership simply takes positions on this issue that are far to the left of the American public.
Posted by: Elize Nayden at March 03, 2015 02:34 PM (3uNuH)
and this.... is his opposition....
Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 02:34 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 02:31 PM (LA7Cm)
Yes we did.
Once again, its not IF, its a matter of WHEN
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 02:34 PM (F2IAQ)
Sure not seeing the love right now.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 02:35 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: GOP Big Money Donors at March 03, 2015 02:35 PM (Tj+s6)
Posted by: Your New World Order betters at March 03, 2015 02:35 PM (SEDJv)
The RNC hates conservatives and reminds us of it every day.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 03, 2015 02:36 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: Elize Nayden at March 03, 2015 02:34 PM (3uNuH)
Wallstreet wants more immigrants...
Us Citizens... not so much...
But the Golden rule of Politics... is he who has the Gold, makes the rules.
Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 02:36 PM (qh617)
Posted by: John Boehner, Slicing Like a Fuckin' Hammer at March 03, 2015 02:36 PM (8ZskC)
It's generally a poor negotiating strategy to tell your opponent up front what things will make you beg for mercy at any price, unless your strategy from the beginning is to lose.
Posted by: pep at March 03, 2015 02:36 PM (YXmuI)
Posted by: steevy at March 03, 2015 02:36 PM (KETbL)
Well, what is the long game? I don't see how we win the 'long game'.
I've basically accepted that my views and beliefs will never be represented in Washington in my life time and probably never again.
I think our brief moment of glory as a country has already burned out, and we've already passed the point of fixing it.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 02:36 PM (AkOaV)
Negative. Since what the majority of voters want is "Washing DC to be as inconsequential to their lives as possible."
If they vote conservatively in Congress, sure they'll get the Alinsky treatment from the press, but their come home as conquering heroes in the own districts, and win election after election.
They're afraid of what it means to vote Conservatively. They don't *want* to shrink the government. They don't *want* to limit the government to its Constitutionally set bounds. They like it the way it is.
UNLESS we face the fact that they are in fact secret progressives themselves.
Poorly kept secret, that.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 02:36 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Alfred at March 03, 2015 02:37 PM (8ZskC)
What makes you think it will be any better than what we have in DC now? The people that have time to attend a convention are the same big government and socialists that are federalizing everything now.
Can you imagine Boehner, McConnell, Pelosi, and Bloomberg rewriting the US Constitution?
I can, because that is what we will get from an Article V Convention.
Posted by: rd at March 03, 2015 02:37 PM (k19Aq)
So many hills, and no deaths.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 02:37 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Mandeville at March 03, 2015 02:37 PM (klYSh)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 03, 2015 02:37 PM (4oSLk)
Right. Boehner and McConnell are not operating in a void. They are who the Republican party selected to be their leaders.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 02:37 PM (AkOaV)
What's scary to me is that they don't expect any backlash from their actions.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
If Cantor didn't frighten them into line, nothing will.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 03, 2015 02:37 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: The Dude at March 03, 2015 02:37 PM (SyKbw)
Posted by: steevy
1. They're not gone.
2. Our system doesn't work that way. Even the British system doesn't. When was the last time the British Liberal party formed a government? or the Unionist party?
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 03, 2015 02:38 PM (Spluw)
>>>It's going to take something a little more, ahem, physical.
What? Like getting out of my chair and voting? Pounding in a yard sign? Stuff like that?
Posted by: Bigby's Fistbump at March 03, 2015 02:38 PM (3ZtZW)
Funny a rubber band could do that to a fella, huh?
Wonder why he's not suing the manufacturer so that something like this never happens to anybody else. Strange, isn't it? You'd sort of think as much of a litigious asshole that he is, he'd be all over that company.
Yup. Really odd...
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 03, 2015 02:38 PM (sH832)
I suggested conservatives sitting out en masse to prove a point and try and move the GOP to the right.
I was laughed at.
Now here we are - exactly where I said we would be. with the GOP enacting the left's agenda.
And, next election cycle, the same tired "conservatives" will tell me I have to vote GOP or else the DNC wins.
But, doesn't the DNC really win either way?
Posted by: monkeytoe at March 03, 2015 02:38 PM (3ZtZW)
Yeah, I think an Article V convention would be a disaster.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 02:38 PM (AkOaV)
*hits play on Bibi's speech*
Posted by: @votermom at March 03, 2015 02:38 PM (cbfNE)
Hey, we're having a BLOWOUT SALE on hills.
EVERYTHING MUST GO!!!!!!!
*hic*
Posted by: Crazy John Boehner at March 03, 2015 02:38 PM (8ZskC)
Is it because, although they JUST WON AND ELECTION and JUST TOOK OFFICE, they are already worry about memes in attack ads put out by progressives in 2016 races??
Or is it that they really secretly are progressive politicians themselves, and pretend not to be?
Or or they simply beaten, gagged, and bound by their fear of the Mainstream Media's liberal pundits?
Or what?
I NEED TO KNOW.
Posted by: zombie at March 03, 2015 02:24 PM (K4YiS)
all of the above
Posted by: Shoey at March 03, 2015 02:39 PM (vA94g)
Warren Buffet whines that his secretary is taxed at a higher rate than he is. I've got a cure for that, buddy.
Posted by: Furious George at March 03, 2015 02:39 PM (UlJ3l)
But, had to "show that they could govern," not be confrontational or mean, and make "Congress work for the American people" and blah, blah, bullshit....
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 02:39 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Jukin at March 03, 2015 02:39 PM (WGm5T)
Posted by: steevy at March 03, 2015 02:40 PM (KETbL)
True.
The sad thing is that the House had the opportunity to send Boner packing. They failed to even try. Sure they planted a few rumors out there. But when push came to shove all of the GOP caved. Folded like a cheap Hillary walker.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 02:40 PM (F2IAQ)
One stands for a generally dovish foreign policy, and the rapid expansion of government activity and spending in most domestic policy.
One stands for a generally hawkish policy and the gradual expansion of government activity and spending in most domestic policy.
One has mixed views on foreign policy and wants a smaller government that spends less.
The latter two parties are called Republican. The middle one holds the leadership in congress, knows it can reach an accommodation with the first, and knows it can't with the third.
Posted by: JPS
I'm beginning to see why Reagan is such a towering figure in history.
Eisenhower: Increased the power and size of government.
Nixon: Increased the power and size of government.
Ford: Did nothing.
Bush I: Did nothing.
Bush II: : Increased the power and size of government.
ONLY Reagan -- out of all of them -- even paid lip service to - and in some cases delivered -- a deminuation of the influence the bureaucracy over our lives.
He was only marginally successful, in just a few areas, but he was the only one even pulling in that direction.
All the rest -- and needless to say, 100% of Dems as well -- pushed for Big Government.
Posted by: zombie at March 03, 2015 02:40 PM (K4YiS)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 02:31 PM (CMkNk)
The Whigs morphed into the Republicans, in about 6 years, using 1850's technology...
The Republicans won the Presidency in the Second Election they ever nominated anyone for...
History does not agree with your assertion.
Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 02:41 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Calvin Coolidge at March 03, 2015 02:41 PM (kff5f)
Yeah. It was more kabuki.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 02:41 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Valiant at March 03, 2015 02:41 PM (4rlxS)
I look forward to the clarity that move would provide.
Posted by: MTF, Bring On the Art. 5 Convention! at March 03, 2015 02:41 PM (FCsIb)
Agreed. At least with a 3rd party, the rump GOP party will have to negotiate our participation. IOW, more like a parliamentary system.
Posted by: pep at March 03, 2015 02:41 PM (YXmuI)
Warren Buffet whines that his secretary is taxed at a higher rate than he is. I've got a cure for that, buddy.
Posted by: Furious George at March 03, 2015 02:39
A 1040 or 30-06?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 02:41 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Y-not on her phone at March 03, 2015 02:42 PM (9BRsg)
*hits play on Bibi's speech*
Good for you! It was a great speech and complaining about the perfidious ploys of the Republicans can always wait for another day. ;^)
Bibi did damage and the winging and moaning of the Progressives is somewhat amusing. Little Israel-the size of NJ-and NJ is not a big state- and he has them all saying "What a meanie he is! Waah!!"
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 03, 2015 02:42 PM (DXzRD)
Posted by: AoSHQ Style Guide Compliance Division at March 03, 2015 02:42 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: hindmost at March 03, 2015 02:42 PM (7/oiP)
Posted by: Bigby's Fistbump at March 03, 2015 02:42 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 03, 2015 02:42 PM (zRby/)
Sorry. That is an assertion with actual negative evidence- see also: the rise of the Republican party.
And a 3rd party is much more likely to be able to get power and operate as a conservative party for some time than there is any likelihood of moving the GOP back to the Right.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 02:42 PM (kff5f)
Makes me wonder just exactly what they expect to happen before or during the next "election".
They don't care because a lot of them like McCain and Graham are near retirement - so they won't have to deal with the mess (same goes for all of the just-or-soon-to-be retired Dems who voted for Obamacare).
The others are likely like Cantor, in that they've voted in a way that's lined up a cushy job or two whenever they decide to leave office.
The *personal* stakes are only high when bucking the system, not feeding it.
Posted by: NSA at March 03, 2015 02:42 PM (lHHyw)
It's not merely conservatives who took it in the shorts.
We're just screamin "ow my balls" the loudest.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 03, 2015 02:43 PM (Spluw)
The electorate was just a bit different back then. LIVs, the "give me free stuff" voters, the nanny-staters, etc. weren't major voting blocks like they are now.
Posted by: brak at March 03, 2015 02:43 PM (Tj+s6)
And the government still grew rapidly under Reagan, who was the only R (since Coolidge) to even try to shrink government.
The entrenched bureaucracies and special interests and establishment types have the ability to stop that kind of shit in its tracks.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 02:43 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 03, 2015 02:43 PM (wlDny)
It gives a reasonable face to tyranny.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 03, 2015 02:44 PM (SWpRk)
Zombie, thanks. I now have California extra virgin olive oil in the house.
All that Tunisian and Spanish stuff is used up.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 03, 2015 02:44 PM (u82oZ)
Doesn't that imply that Obama is a woman?
Posted by: Ian S. at March 03, 2015 02:44 PM (6QHER)
I NEED TO KNOW.
Posted by: zombie at March 03, 2015 02:24 PM (K4YiS)
The number of conservatives in America and congress is vastly overestimated by conservatives.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 02:44 PM (1Y+hH)
still with this crap?
after all this?
mind-boggling...
Posted by: Shoey at March 03, 2015 02:44 PM (vA94g)
Posted by: Jukin at March 03, 2015 02:44 PM (WGm5T)
better than a ham sandwich
I'd rather have the sammich.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 02:44 PM (WjZtv)
It's like Yoda says, "Up the ass, fvcked we are."
Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 03, 2015 02:45 PM (XUKZU)
Iran: Destroy Israel!
Dems: Have some nukes, Iran.
Israel: No more genocide!
Dems: Pesky Jews always bringing up the Holocaust. Tsk.
Posted by: @votermom at March 03, 2015 02:45 PM (cbfNE)
Doesn't that imply that Obama is a woman?
Yes.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 02:45 PM (WjZtv)
Posted by: Jukin at March 03, 2015 02:45 PM (WGm5T)
Secret?
They've been patient and infiltrated at every level and every position. It truly is Kabuki theater. They've got to play the game so everybody stays concerned about the color of the dress instead.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 03, 2015 02:45 PM (sH832)
Posted by: Elize Nayden at March 03, 2015 02:46 PM (3uNuH)
Posted by: Lizzy at March 03, 2015 02:46 PM (lHHyw)
Massie (R-KY) made them read 98 page bill.
Posted by: Carol at March 03, 2015 02:46 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: King Barky the Liar at March 03, 2015 02:46 PM (WGm5T)
But Allen, how long would it be before the same R establishment types took over the new "conservative" party?
I don't see how you stop that from happening. And there is too much money, influence, and power on the line for the R's to ignore a third party that could challenge them.
Remember when Boehner and the others were tripping over each other to get to a microphone to declare themselves tea party members back in 2010?
Remember McCain "build this danged wall!" and everyone else... I mean cmon. I don't think a third party is anywhere near a guaranteed success.
PLUS the media will be on the warpath from day 1.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 02:47 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Jukin
I'm not. The bastards will point to it as if they're martyrs, all the while shoveling money elsewhere. EVERY time taxes like this appear, money moves.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 03, 2015 02:47 PM (Spluw)
I'd rather have the sammich.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 02:44 PM (WjZtv)
So would I
Posted by: Zombie Mamma Cass
(And to all the killjoys, its a f*cking joke. You know who you are)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 02:47 PM (F2IAQ)
I asked this last night, no one seems to have an answer except we are mad about it. OK, let's all be mad. The EO is not going to and hasn't survived the Courts, we or a judge, has won the fight.
Let's move on.
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 02:47 PM (0FSuD)
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Here are my reasons:
1. The GOP Congress is fairly divided - let's say the conservatives and the establishment group for simplicity. And those two groups do not agree on policy or strategy.
2. In general each Congressperson is interested in two things: (a) being elected, and (b) being part of the majority. There is probably a third - chairing. I have no doubt that many also want to advance certain positions - though they may disagree with those positions - but not to the point of taking risks.
3. Human nature is go along to get along.
Where I think the founders were wrong about Congress is that there are so many people in Congress (and they are elected every 2 years), as a whole, it becomes weak compared to the other branches, who are much more interested in protecting and expanding their power relative to the other branches.
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 02:47 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Carol at March 03, 2015 02:47 PM (sj3Ax)
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In the year 2525
If man is still alive
If woman can survive
They may thrive.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 03, 2015 02:48 PM (XUKZU)
That would be instructive regarding diminishing returns.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 02:48 PM (1Y+hH)
still with this crap?
after all this?
I'm 52. With luck, I have 30-35 years left.
Fuck the long game.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 02:48 PM (WjZtv)
The difference between Bibi and Barack is that Netanyahu sinks his Free Throws.
Posted by: Garrett at March 03, 2015 02:48 PM (r75HN)
>>>A third party will put conservatives in the wilderness forever. We have to run candidates and play the long game.
Tell ya what, we can split the difference.
Start the 3rd Party and get it going in Solid Blue States. Loss of GOP votes there do little to affect outcomes in the General but do have the salutary effect of concentrating their minds when they look in the rearview mirror and see it gaining on em.
Posted by: Bigby's Fistbump at March 03, 2015 02:48 PM (3ZtZW)
Because Obama has already defied the judges order and will continue to do so.
Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 02:49 PM (MYCIw)
It was stated here eloquently a while back:
Politicians who show contempt for the citizens ought to walk in fear of their personal safety.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 03, 2015 02:49 PM (20Zla)
It works, because as soon as anyone suggests the Republican party is useless, a cacophony of stalwart conservatives will come along and tell us we just have to hold on a little bit longer, and once we have that veto-proof majority...
Listen to your congresscritter. Do they come to you to tell you how hard they fought for the conservative position, only to shrug and resign to getting something less?
If so, that person is bought and paid for by Boehner/McConnell and Co.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 03, 2015 02:49 PM (TOk1P)
"A third party will put conservatives in the wilderness forever. We have to run candidates and play the long game.""
No. NO. NO!
What a third party does is actually get us a set at the table.
The splintered republican party will peal off some of the left votes. and make the fascist democrat party into the:
1. fascist party.
2. democrat party.
THIRD PARTY. conservatives.
We would have far more clout and certainly would not have less.
Posted by: Jukin at March 03, 2015 02:49 PM (WGm5T)
Funny a rubber band could do that to a fella, huh?
Wonder why he's not suing the manufacturer so that something like this never happens to anybody else. Strange, isn't it? You'd sort of think as much of a litigious asshole that he is, he'd be all over that company.
Yup. Really odd...
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.I saw him on TV the other morning, man someone really beat the pi$$ out of him. And he has all of that security around him 24/7. very odd.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 03, 2015 02:49 PM (4oSLk)
Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 02:44 PM (1Y+hH)
I think that's true, too. 40% identify as conservatives in polls, but most "conservatives" I talk to sound like democrats to me. They accept all of the left's premises, think freedom is an extremist position, and cant articulate what makes them a "conservative"
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 02:49 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Carol at March 03, 2015 02:46 PM (sj3Ax)
Wait. Someone actually made them RTFBYMFMF?
I may weep from joy rather than rage.
Posted by: alexthechick - LIV ahoy! at March 03, 2015 02:49 PM (mf5HN)
And STILL I don't think Jeb is preferable to Hilarity.
Posted by: Kam at March 03, 2015 02:50 PM (Xv7f/)
answer except we are mad about it. OK, let's all be mad. The EO is not
going to and hasn't survived the Courts, we or a judge, has won the
fight.
Let's move on.
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 02:47 PM (0FSuD)
I posted a link on that several days ago. The court did issue and injunction to halt the illegal executive order. However Obama is simply ignoring it continuing is illegal amnesty. If he blatantly violates the Constitution he sure as hell isn't going to pay any attention to a judge.
Since Congress has taken everything to fight him off the table he can do any damn thing he wants. The courts do not have an Army as the old saying goes.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 03, 2015 02:50 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 02:31 PM (CMkNk)
The Whigs morphed into the Republicans, in about 6 years, using 1850's technology...
The Republicans won the Presidency in the Second Election they ever nominated anyone for...
History does not agree with your assertion.
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I agree with BB. I do not have the illusion that a 3rd party is the cure to the conservative ails. But the idea that a 3rd party cannot or will not work is to go against history. A 3rd party would likely do one of two things, it will die out a fairly early death or it will morph into one of the two major parties with the other two merging or one of the other two dissolving.
A third party is not my preferred choice, but I don't fear it. In the end, it may be the only thing that saves us. History may not repeat itself, but it can guide us.
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 02:50 PM (gmeXX)
I'm 52. With luck, I have 30-35 years left.
Fuck the long game.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 02:48 PM (WjZtv)
Amen.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 02:50 PM (F2IAQ)
on a related note: have you noticed how with every issue the press and politicians talk as if what they want is fait accompli. I think such talk is deliberate and meant to sap our resolve and make us bitter and disconnected so our betters can do exactly what they want.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2015 02:50 PM (afouc)
National elections aren't going to correct this. The DC leviathon will not allow the people their true voice. From one election to the other, the fix will always be in (with only a very few exceptions) to get the people that the elites deem suitable.
Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2015 02:51 PM (/HX7u)
I asked this last night, no one seems to have an answer except we are mad about it. OK, let's all be mad. The EO is not going to and hasn't survived the Courts, we or a judge, has won the fight.
Except that Obama is going right ahead with the plan and ignoring the courts. Think he can't fund it?
How did Obamacare just get an unfunded $3 billion from the Treasury Dept?
Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 02:51 PM (1Y+hH)
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Some parents are soooooooo attached to their toddlers.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 03, 2015 02:51 PM (XUKZU)
I don't believe that inaction or not voting GOP is an option any longer. I don't believe that supporting an existing third party is an option, either, per the Ross Perot debacle in 1992.
The only alternative that I see is for registered Republicans to do everything in their power to actively thwart the national and state hierarchies. We must work to kill Republicanism.
At the same time, we need a respected figure--we will need someone of Lincoln or Reagan's caliber--to unit the populist base and the third parties, with enough money and support to relegate the GOP to permanent third party status (or better, extinction).
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at March 03, 2015 02:51 PM (laMCB)
Posted by: ejo at March 03, 2015 02:51 PM (rsGj7)
The courts have stopped Obama's EO so what is the point of looking like idiots to defund a program that is not going to happen?
because when the case gets to the supreme court they'll look at the spending bill passed by congress and if it funds amnesty than the court will view congresses approval as an acceptence of its constitutionallity
Posted by: kj at March 03, 2015 02:51 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Don Soothsayere at March 03, 2015 02:51 PM (omuEe)
Posted by: Kam at March 03, 2015 02:52 PM (Xv7f/)
Posted by: OrangeBoner at March 03, 2015 02:52 PM (DL2i+)
Since Congress has taken everything to fight him off the table he can do any damn thing he wants. The courts do not have an Army as the old saying goes.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 03, 2015 02:50 PM (wlDny)
Since congress has rolled over like a dog without balls.
FIFY
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 02:52 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Y-not on her phone at March 03, 2015 02:52 PM (9BRsg)
Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 02:52 PM (1Y+hH)
I'm playing 3D chess here.
You just can't comprehend and keep up.
I've almost got the Democrats right were I want them!
Posted by: Mitch McTurtle at March 03, 2015 02:53 PM (nyxv/)
The collapse is coming. 20 Trillion dollars in debt and an additional trillion or so every year will see to that.
What happens when we are the Greeks?
Do they think we will be thanking Boehner?
Posted by: rd at March 03, 2015 02:53 PM (k19Aq)
We can only hope that we can persuade these people to stand against the national GOPe. Or die off.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at March 03, 2015 02:54 PM (laMCB)
Posted by: Jukin at March 03, 2015 02:54 PM (WGm5T)
What happens when we are the Greeks?
Do they think we will be thanking Boehner?
Posted by: rd at March 03, 2015 02:53 PM (k19Aq)
What's unfunded liabilities up to now?
153 T?
Posted by: alexthechick - LIV ahoy! at March 03, 2015 02:54 PM (mf5HN)
Because as it was explained to you, multiple times last night...
That ruling was by ONE Judge... it could easily, and probably will be, overturned.
Also because his ruling is only binding within the 26 States who sought relief under the Lawsuit... it could still be implemented int he other 24 (or 31 if you are an Obamaite)...
Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 02:54 PM (qh617)
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Courts are overturned routinely. Besides, I think many rightly think that this court decision makes defunding look stronger because you have a court on your side. If you lose the court decision on appeals you are now having to argue to defund something that the courts have upheld.
Here the court is your friend.
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 02:54 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 02:54 PM (AkOaV)
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
- John F. Kennedy
Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 03, 2015 02:54 PM (XUKZU)
I think Bukkake theater better describes what our betters are doing to us.
/ urban dictionary warning if you're unfamiliar with the word
Posted by: SE Pa Moron at March 03, 2015 02:54 PM (zxQ4h)
Posted by: blaster at March 03, 2015 02:55 PM (Rx8ML)
Let me answer that one for you. You and I both know what would happen. The libs would go stark raving mad. They would do anything and everything possible, both legal and non legal to put a stop to the lawlessness currently going on. They would fight tooth and nail, not roll over in a fetal position.
Another thing we always need to bear in mind is they control the MSM too. In other words, regardless of what really happened, conservatives will always be portrayed in a negative light. The old "there go those crazy right wingers again" spiel. Just look at how much mileage First Skank Cankles got out of that during her husbands terms.
So what to do?
Posted by: 2L at March 03, 2015 02:55 PM (TaO1J)
Remember my prediction about that injunction being lifted...
just remember...
Posted by: Don Soothsayere at March 03, 2015 02:51 PM (omuEe)"
I am with you! I say the over/under is 2 days out from FULL CLEAN DHS FUNDING.
Posted by: Jukin at March 03, 2015 02:55 PM (WGm5T)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 03, 2015 02:56 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: alexthechick - LIV ahoy! at March 03, 2015 02:56 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Boehner'sTearDucts at March 03, 2015 02:56 PM (Gcu5R)
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Why would the GOP go the way of the Whigs? IMO, the Dems look more like the Whigs comparatively.
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 02:56 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: El CheeTo at March 03, 2015 02:56 PM (Xv7f/)
Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 02:49 PM (MYCIw)
So do you think that if we "defund" the EO's Obama won't continue his lawlessness by transferring funds from other departments?
AKA the THREE Billion the treasury has paid out in subsidies with NO authorization.
We have a dictator on our hands. Not a whole lot we can do but start putting up Walker/Perry 2016 signs up.
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 02:57 PM (0FSuD)
No, this is the collapse. It started in 2008 and should end by 2025.
Enjoy.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 02:57 PM (1Y+hH)
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
- John F. Kennedy
Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 03, 2015 02:54 PM (XUKZU)
I'm low on cash and running out of time on earth. Bring it.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 02:57 PM (CMkNk)
It's a fools errand to try to predict the future.
Here's a scarier thought for you: what if we keep printing and "borrowing" indefinitely.
It's never been tried before (with a reserve currency that's a fiat currency), say it works. I mean, the people continue to get poorer, but the government never has any issues.
I mean, at some point it will come crashing down. But that could be hundreds of years in the future. And by that time, the Eloi will be all that's left to pick up the pieces.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 02:57 PM (AkOaV)
AS
Blacks :: Democrats.
Look how they're both treating their historical base voters.
And using the same tactics with the same outcome.
It is not an accident.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 03, 2015 02:57 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: blaster at March 03, 2015 02:55 PM (Rx8ML)
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Ace was never the "dont worry, we ll fight on the next hill" kind of guy.
Posted by: Elize Nayden at March 03, 2015 02:57 PM (3uNuH)
Posted by: wrg500 at March 03, 2015 02:58 PM (sWgE+)
I'm guessing the 'new Americans' will be induced to take on massive debts and keep housing, auto and retail afloat and allowing appearance of growth and economic activity to continue
Posted by: ginaswo at March 03, 2015 02:58 PM (2EgyQ)
What's unfunded liabilities up to now?
153 T?
Posted by: alexthechick - LIV ahoy! at March 03, 2015 02:54 PM (mf5H
But just think of all those new businesses which will be created by illegal immigrants. Just think of all the payroll taxes to be collected from the illegals. You know Uncle Sam isn't collecting those due to Americans not performing those jobs. All those healthy young illegals buying Obama Care to take care of us old Crackers.
Yeah, thats the ticket.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 02:58 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 03, 2015 02:58 PM (OiH3z)
Just like google and the Arab spring, Obama and his State Department worked hand in hand with La Raza to achieve this.
Posted by: Garrett at March 03, 2015 02:59 PM (r75HN)
That would be a good trial run and be a safer path than scrapping a political party and hoping in a few election cycles we can regain some sort of parity with Democrats.
Posted by: McAdams at March 03, 2015 02:59 PM (GMMEG)
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 02:47 PM (gmeXX)
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It's much simpler than your explanation. The nation was founded on the signing of the Constitution. And the Constitution demanded morality and virtue for it to work. The majority of people in power and much of the nation is neither moral or virtuous.
Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2015 02:59 PM (/HX7u)
Matthew Boyle's Twitter feed said it & he admired that he made them read it.
Posted by: Carol at March 03, 2015 02:59 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Maxwell Smart at March 03, 2015 02:59 PM (NuPNl)
Posted by: Bob Belcher at March 03, 2015 02:59 PM (glJL/)
So they Gruber us
Posted by: ginaswo at March 03, 2015 02:59 PM (2EgyQ)
All that Tunisian and Spanish stuff is used up.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
Bravo!
Your arteries and tastebuds will thank you profusely!
Posted by: zombie at March 03, 2015 03:00 PM (K4YiS)
>>>What happens when we are the Greeks?
That's easy.
We'll exit the EU and reinstate the Drachma
Posted by: Bigby's Fistbump at March 03, 2015 03:00 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: blaster at March 03, 2015 02:55 PM (Rx8ML)
I think he has realized we need to pick a hill, because if we don't, the socialists will find a ditch for us to die in.
Posted by: rd at March 03, 2015 03:00 PM (k19Aq)
If he does, we shut those departments down. Pass funding for each that explicitly forbids it being used for that purpose. If Obama refuses to sign, it's bye bye Park Service.
Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 03:00 PM (MYCIw)
Also because his ruling is only binding within the 26 States who
sought relief under the Lawsuit... it could still be implemented int he
other 24 (or 31 if you are an Obamaite)...
Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 02:54 PM (qh617)
From what I read the 4th Appeals court is NOT going to overturn the stay and will probably make it permanent.
The 24 states that did not join the lawsuit? Fcuk em they are all Blue states.
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 03:00 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Jeb at March 03, 2015 03:01 PM (Xv7f/)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 03, 2015 02:56 PM
Not only was that hateful, it was ray-cist to boot.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 03:01 PM (F2IAQ)
Ace has sounded much more cognizant of the Republicrat problem lately. Not sure what happened.
Jeb will bring him around.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 03:01 PM (1Y+hH)
was founded on the signing of the Constitution. And the Constitution
demanded morality and virtue for it to work. The majority of people in
power and much of the nation is neither moral or virtuous.
Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2015 02:59 PM (/HX7u)
Actually on founding the federal government was limited in power to only a few things. The States had almost all the real power and that was the way it was intended. The civil war and the 14th amendment ended that.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 03, 2015 03:01 PM (wlDny)
Whether it takes my time, treasure or both to fix this, I'm willing to give it. I owe that to my kids.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 03, 2015 03:01 PM (wtvvX)
Simpler.... there was no RIGHT to vote... it was a Privilege... every State in the Union had some requirement you needed to meet to vote.
But that's back when we were a Republic, not a Democracy...
Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 03:01 PM (qh617)
Posted by: blaster at March 03, 2015 02:55 PM (Rx8ML)
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Ace was never the "dont worry, we ll fight on the next hill" kind of guy.
Posted by: Elize Nayden at March 03, 2015 02:57 PM (3uNuH)
Correct. Ace gets a bit loopy when the topic is sodomy, but otherwise, he's a good joe.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 03, 2015 03:01 PM (TOk1P)
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There is some truth to that, but I don't think Madison was under any illusion about the virtuousness of man.
But Congress was much smaller back in his era. Is a bigger Congress better or worse? I don't know that answer.
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 03:01 PM (gmeXX)
Failing sophomore year high school Spanish really busted a lot of y'all's balls, didn't it?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 03, 2015 03:01 PM (ljZD2)
Can someone just get a baseball bat and smash the crap out of Boehnor's car?
How about tar and fears?
Why not go high tech and fly a damn drone into his face?
Posted by: Ken at March 03, 2015 03:02 PM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: Marcus T. at March 03, 2015 03:02 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 03, 2015 03:02 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 03:02 PM (0FSuD)
But I don't give them my money, which would be considered chump change to them anyway. I don't campaign for them or take their side on virtually anything anymore. I'm an ex-Republican now and all involved are OK with that.
But in my heart, deep down inside, I loathe and despise Democrats far more, they really earned it. I mean what else can I feel but contempt and loathing for a Party that voted to go to war and then a scant 3 years later acted as if they were against the war from the outset.
But if things keep going the way they have been, then the Republicans could surpass the Democrats.
Posted by: CozMark at March 03, 2015 03:02 PM (6QN3y)
And congress was supposed to be full of righteous frontier types who jealously guarded the power of their chamber and saw their job as fighting on behalf of their constituents (neighbors).
They figured there would be so many competing interests that nothing would really get done unless pretty much everyone agreed on it.
What they didn't anticipate was the modern political parties, which transcend regional and local interests, or influences in power.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 03:03 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 03:03 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 03:02 PM (0FSuD
Too piss off rich old white hetro men like you.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 03:03 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: The Dude at March 03, 2015 03:04 PM (SyKbw)
>>What about a 3rd Party in the leadership's district/state?
Not big enough to make an impression to the impressionable or express contempt to the contemptible.
Posted by: Bigby's Fistbump at March 03, 2015 03:04 PM (3ZtZW)
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Got news for you. Your kids probably voted this sh!t and think it is just swell.
Posted by: Kam at March 03, 2015 03:04 PM (Xv7f/)
>>>What happens when we are the Greeks?-----
Free yogurt and healthcare for everyone.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 03:03 PM (F2IAQ)
And cloacas. Or whatever the word is for young boys used for sexual purposes.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 03:04 PM (CMkNk)
>>>What happens when we are the Greeks?-----
Free yogurt and healthcare for everyone.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 03:03 PM (F2IAQ)
And cloacas. Or whatever the word is for young boys used for sexual purposes.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 03:04 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 03:00 PM (0FSuD)
So all the illegals go to those 24 States... and get a NATIONAL Green card... then go back to the other States.... where the State MUST let them then work, because of that little thing in the Constitution about every State recognizing the Papers and Licenses of other States...
Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 03:04 PM (qh617)
A good name
A snappy phrase
A hashtag or two
Constant drum beat
Combine with a pinch of rationale, a few cups of old fashioned conservatism, a dose or two of the founding fathers.
We're outta here.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 03, 2015 03:04 PM (BZAd3)
They figured there would be so many competing interests that nothing would really get done unless pretty much everyone agreed on it.
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My open question is does this work with a large Congress? It is one thing to fight for your constituents when you are one of 50, but 1 of 435?
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 03:04 PM (gmeXX)
Estas pero si bien pendejo.
Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 03:04 PM (MYCIw)
Free yogurt and healthcare for everyone.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 03:03 PM (F2IAQ)
And this http://tinyurl.com/ph4h6hw
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 03:05 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 03, 2015 03:05 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 03, 2015 03:01 PM (ljZD2)
Nope, we're just waiting to hear what the benefits of millions of new criminals and low-skilled laborers will be to America.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 03:05 PM (1Y+hH)
You wouldn't mind if I come over to your house a stay a couple of nights and raid your refrigerator? Also be so kind to leave a couple of bucks on the table for me. And if you do mind , so what, get over it.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at March 03, 2015 03:05 PM (glJL/)
Using the law to destroy the laws. Nice.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 03:05 PM (CMkNk)
a NATIONAL Green card... then go back to the other States.... where the
State MUST let them then work, because of that little thing in the
Constitution about every State recognizing the Papers and Licenses of
other States...
Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 03:04 PM (qh617)
You mean like they do now?
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 03:05 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Carol at March 03, 2015 03:06 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 03:04 PM (MYCIw)
Careful, that may be Jeb Bush.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 03, 2015 03:06 PM (8ZskC)
Vic, you really should trademark that line...
Posted by: FCF at March 03, 2015 03:06 PM (kejii)
Obama's comments to press today. I swear he said "it's very important not to get distracted by Irans terrorism and regional ambitions."
Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 03, 2015 03:06 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 03, 2015 03:06 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 03:06 PM (WjZtv)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 03, 2015 03:06 PM (zRby/)
And cloacas. Or whatever the word is for young boys used for sexual purposes.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 03:04 PM (CMkN
Harry's Kids
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 03:06 PM (F2IAQ)
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Its simple - most of those unfunded liabilities will not / cannot be paid.
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 03:06 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Carol at March 03, 2015 03:06 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Mark Twain at March 03, 2015 03:06 PM (ibvmu)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 03, 2015 03:07 PM (wlDny)
Chicken just had a heart attack.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 03:06 PM (WjZtv)
No. That's a placeholder for the Greek word meaning young boys used for sexual purposes.
I forgot.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 03:07 PM (CMkNk)
#BringBackOurBucks
#OffWithTheirHeads
#FuckDC
I'm running out of ideas, sorry.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 03:07 PM (AkOaV)
How does the DHS funding bill pass the house?
It still needs about 217 votes to pass, doesn't it?
There are only 188 or so Democrats. add in Boner and a few synchophants.
They still do not have enough votes, unless A LOT OF RINOS Vote for funding.
Posted by: rd at March 03, 2015 03:07 PM (k19Aq)
Posted by: Feh at March 03, 2015 03:07 PM (ied4u)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 03:07 PM (0FSuD)
When NY/NJ/IL recognize my concealed handgun license.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 03:07 PM (WjZtv)
that.. and they did not believe that the voters would vote for someone who they did not know...
So someone who lived in Washington for 40 years.... would not get the local vote over some better known Local Politician...
Modern communication and transportation, made it possible for someone to live in Washington full time... yet still back to campaign for elections effectively....
Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 03:07 PM (qh617)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 03:05 PM (CMkNk)
It's what Hitler and Mussolini did.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 03, 2015 03:07 PM (zRby/)
Posted by: Mark Twain at March 03, 2015 03:06 PM (ibvmu)
I could've sworn someone nominated me and NGU in the last thread to head one.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 03:07 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 03, 2015 03:08 PM (4ZkUw)
Posted by: MSNBC at March 03, 2015 03:08 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Mark Twain at March 03, 2015 03:06 PM (ibvmu)
Exactly. During the progressive era (the first one, with the college professor from NJ, not with the college prof from IL) the parties worked together to make it damned near impossible for anyone to start a national third party.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 03:08 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: vivi at March 03, 2015 03:08 PM (/Zsgn)
Posted by: Jukin at March 03, 2015 03:08 PM (WGm5T)
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For a long time, I thought the same thing. I'm now not so sure. More is better from a representative standpoint, but it may lead to a weaker Congress as a whole.
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 03:08 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 03, 2015 02:58 PM (OiH3z)
Is that when it's streaming? I'll let BC know.
Posted by: alexthechick - LIV ahoy! at March 03, 2015 03:08 PM (mf5HN)
This happens every year at this time.
First comes the molt.
Next comes the Ewok Rut.
Then his summer coat returns along with the annual hobo migration.
Finally, he returns to his cuddly, fuzzy RINO self.
Posted by: Garrett at March 03, 2015 03:08 PM (r75HN)
Si
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 03:07 PM (0FSuD)
I always malaprop "Besame Mucho" with that word. Drives the wife nuts.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 03:08 PM (CMkNk)
"Failing sophomore year high school Spanish really busted a lot of y'all's balls, didn't it?"
Estas pero si bien pendejo.
Posted by: Lauren
No, never took it
Then again I can barely muddle along in the two years of German and French now either.
Posted by: Gmac- Pulling in feelers in preperation... at March 03, 2015 03:09 PM (74McK)
You mean like the way MD recognizes my CCW form VA?
Posted by: wrg500 at March 03, 2015 03:09 PM (sWgE+)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 03:05 PM
But, and let me be perfectly clear, no retsina.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 03, 2015 03:09 PM (h4vJk)
where the State MUST let them then work, because of that little thing in
the Constitution about every State recognizing the Papers and Licenses
of other States...
See fag marriage.
Posted by: MSNBC at March 03, 2015 03:09 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 03:10 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Nobody at March 03, 2015 03:10 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Carol at March 03, 2015 03:10 PM (sj3Ax)
I'm done being a dupe for cowards.
Posted by: Marcus T. at March 03, 2015 03:10 PM (GGCsk)
She and Bill are trash. Always were, always will be.
Posted by: Feh at March 03, 2015 03:10 PM (ied4u)
Yoo hoo
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at March 03, 2015 03:10 PM (sQzB6)
No. That's a placeholder for the Greek word meaning young boys used for sexual purposes.
I forgot.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
Catamites.
Posted by: zombie at March 03, 2015 03:10 PM (K4YiS)
I hated Uzo.
I hate black jelly beans
I hate black licorice.
But I do like black beans & rice and black eye peas. Guess I'm not a true H8er after all.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 03:11 PM (F2IAQ)
Me.
je suis JJ.
je suis NGU.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 03:11 PM (WjZtv)
Right, and it also wasn't a career path.
Every single member of congress had a real job. That's why they spend most of the year at home. So that they could tend to their fields, hang out with their constituents, practice law, or whatever they did to make a living.
Because the founders did not want our congress to turn in to the house of lords where a bunch of rich, disconnected assholes sits around opining on the fate of the serfs.
But that's now what we have. 90% of people in congress have never put in an honest days work in their lives unless you consider staying up late drinking redbull studying for the LSATs real work.
And they move to areas where they think they can win an election. They have no ties to the people who live there, they spend most of their in DC or their vacation home.
Some members don't even have a house in their district / state. They're at the "fuck it" stage though, most still pretend...
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 03:11 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 03:11 PM (1Y+hH)
Lemme guess. You'll be hitting us up for money next, right?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 03:12 PM (LA7Cm)
Sure we could win the argument by repeating that anytime a microphone is in our faces, but the Chamber of Commerce would get upset.
Posted by: John Boehner at March 03, 2015 03:12 PM (nFdGS)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 03:07 PM (WjZtv)
Green Cards are Federal....
Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 03:12 PM (qh617)
And if I am elected
I promise the formation of a new party
A third party, the Wild Party!
I know we have problems,
We got problems right here in Central City,
We have problems on the North, South, East and West,
New York City, Saint Louis, Philadelphia, Los Angeles,
Detroit, Chicago,
Everybody has problems,
And personally, I don't care.
Posted by: Coop at March 03, 2015 03:12 PM (W5DcG)
I dunno about you but I expect awful things to happen when I just sit back and wait for awful things to happen.
Some shit is preventable. This is some of that shit.
Posted by: Don Soothsayere at March 03, 2015 03:12 PM (omuEe)
I'm no Washington insider, but from my bitter clinger perspective here in flyover country, DC is about two things; money and power. Without it, nobody really gives a flying flip what you think or want unless you get the biased MSM behind you and throw a serious light on an issue.
I think it is time we got us some of that clout. I don't have all the answers, but I think a good model would be the NRA. Instead of being about guns, the new party could be about limited government and lower taxes. I think if/as it picked up steam, it would expose the GOPe for the bloated, out of touch, self serving party is has become.
I know, I know, easier said than done, right? The first step is usually the hardest one. I don't know about all of you, but I sense a LOT of people are ready to start stepping?
Posted by: 2L at March 03, 2015 03:13 PM (TaO1J)
States are different. They should have different models. We then get to see the result of competition.
i.e. blue CA = shit, red TX = shinola
This is healthy. We need bigger attention to what states do better than the foul nest of the feds.
Posted by: Feh at March 03, 2015 03:13 PM (ied4u)
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For a long time, I thought the same thing. I'm now not so sure. More is better from a representative standpoint, but it may lead to a weaker Congress as a whole.
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My point is this. If you are 1 of 50 in a branch that is 1/3 of the government, you have (from a mathmatical standpoint) a 0.66% power base. If you are 1 of 435, you have a 0.076% power base. Your relative power in the federal government is much greater the smaller Congress is.
Would that lead a congress person to protect the 1/3 power base more (meaning protect Congress as a whole)? If your power is already so diffused because you are 1 of 435, do you just not care to protect your 1/3 power base?
I'm simply proposing the question. I've never seen anyone address the issue, but I think it is worthy of consideration.
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 03:13 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: DocJ at March 03, 2015 03:13 PM (zrsn3)
Posted by: Elize Nayden at March 03, 2015 03:13 PM (3uNuH)
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 03:01 PM (gmeXX)
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Someone upthread mentioned voting as a privilege and that it had requirements to be met. I think that was probably the turning point with this nation when those were removed. Plus my explanation as they go hand in hand with the greed and the hunger for power that politicians and the now ever-present FSA demonstrate.
Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2015 03:13 PM (/HX7u)
When I say love you long time, I love you long time.
Posted by: Vietnamese Whore at March 03, 2015 03:13 PM (WGm5T)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 03:07
You are correct.
I also nominated that Dildo Anti-Semite guy
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 03:13 PM (F2IAQ)
Because 90% are lawyers.
*no offence to Moron lawyers*
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 03:14 PM (LA7Cm)
She and Bill are trash. Always were, always will be.
Posted by: Feh at March 03, 2015 03:10 PM (ied4u)
She is not imploding.... she is airing out her dirty laundry.... getting it all out in public... while she remains in seclusion before her run...
Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 03:14 PM (qh617)
Don't matter. If it forces them to give "Full Faith and Credit" to my DL, it gives the same to my state issued CHL.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 03:14 PM (WjZtv)
When I say love you long time, I love you long time.
Posted by: Vietnamese Whore at March 03, 2015 03:13 PM (WGm5T
Long is so subjective. But, I will give you this, you at least act like you love me. Compared to Clyde the Orangetang.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 03:14 PM (F2IAQ)
Posted by: Don Soothsayere at March 03, 2015 03:15 PM (omuEe)
Posted by: MSNBC at March 03, 2015 03:15 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Boehner'sTearDucts at March 03, 2015 03:15 PM (Gcu5R)
Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 03, 2015 03:16 PM (zOTsN)
You lost 167 republican votes on bill. Are you Den Speaker? More dems that republicans voted for that bill funding EO amnesty.
Go away!!
Posted by: Carol at March 03, 2015 03:16 PM (sj3Ax)
1.) Locate members of Congress that are worth a rat. There are a few, believe it or not.
2.) Add to this as many of the good state and local conservatives in government as you can lay your hands on.
3.) Break them off as the core of your new Party.
This works best if the results puts the ( D ) and ( R ) numbers at dead even. Then either you have leverage or the R charade comes to a final end, which is itself a useful outcome.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 03, 2015 03:16 PM (DT3rQ)
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She is executing the Clinton playbook. Her problem is that it isn't the playbook, but the QB in charge that made it succesful. She is no Bill Clinton.
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 03:16 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 03:17 PM (0FSuD)
I proudly changed my registration from R to unaffiliated in 2007.
That was right after I became convinced that Republicans had no interest in pursuing fiscal sanity.
Things have gotten worse since then. Maybe I should have stayed in.
Nahhh.....
Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 03:17 PM (1Y+hH)
Imploding??
hillary clinton is and has been working, since 2008, to build her 2016 campaign.
Christ Almighty, hillary clinton will be a goddam juggernaut in 2016 and some of you think she's all finished in politics.
Posted by: Don Soothsayere at March 03, 2015 03:17 PM (omuEe)
Boner is going down
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You sure about that?
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 03:17 PM (gmeXX)
Ah, sports reference. Sorta like Danny White taking over for Roger Staubach.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 03:18 PM (LA7Cm)
Attn: Morons
Please read up on the specifics. 50 States of which >30 are red pick one delegate. Then the amendments have to go back to the States or what? 3/4 Congress. There aren't enough dipshits picked by State too make it worse and it's the required step before the shooting starts.
Posted by: DaveA at March 03, 2015 03:18 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Elize Nayden at March 03, 2015 03:13 PM (3uNuH)
He could save time by skipping the English part.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 03, 2015 03:18 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: President Lincoln at March 03, 2015 03:18 PM (WGm5T)
Posted by: Feh at March 03, 2015 03:18 PM (ied4u)
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What the judge did was not a legal decision. It was a stay. Which, by Orangeman and the turtle's actions has more or less become moot.
Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2015 03:18 PM (/HX7u)
is that it isn't the playbook, but the QB in charge that made it
succesful. She is no Bill Clinton.
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 03:16 PM (gmeXX)
Her problem is that too many people in her own Party hate her. I think all those multiple felonies she has committed being aired out is being done by her own Party who are aware of it.
I still say she will NOT get the nod.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 03, 2015 03:18 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: Garrett at March 03, 2015 03:18 PM (r75HN)
Posted by: gm at March 03, 2015 03:18 PM (/kBoL)
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Why are you so certain of HRC?
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 03:18 PM (gmeXX)
Don't believe that Bill isn't waist deep in running her campaign. He wants it just as bad if not more than she does.
Posted by: wrg500 at March 03, 2015 03:18 PM (sWgE+)
Posted by: Carol at March 03, 2015 03:19 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2015 03:19 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Ace of Spades 2016 Preview at March 03, 2015 03:19 PM (klYSh)
I still say she will NOT get the nod.
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I've long thought that and agree that the Times is airing this story to prevent her from running.
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 03:20 PM (gmeXX)
"Increasing global hatred of Israel is a sign of divine help.
Today Israel is more isolated and its supporters are more embattled.
#ShutDownAIPAC"
That's just one from the person Obama called an "enlightened leader".
It's the person Democrats are supporting over Netanyahu.
It's like an out of body experience lately.
Posted by: Marcus T. at March 03, 2015 03:20 PM (GGCsk)
of him. And he has all of that security around him 24/7. very odd.
Harry is getting a little forgetful in his old age. He couldn't remember the safety word.
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at March 03, 2015 03:20 PM (sQzB6)
Posted by: gm at March 03, 2015 03:18 PM (/kBoL)
Heh. Here's a person who has no concept of how war works.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 03:20 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 03:17 PM (gmeXX)
It's not a good sign. I am sure he told them he had the democrats so all those guys that voted for it the other day could change their vote to look good.
Someone needs to compare list from first vote to second to see who the weasels are.
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 03:20 PM (0FSuD)
Boner is going down
Posted by: MSNBC at March 03, 2015 03:15 PM (0FSuD)>>>
It's all a part of the failure theater. When these asshats had a chance to make a difference, what did they do? They voted for Boehner. They voted to allow cromnibus to come to the floor.
Posted by: gm at March 03, 2015 03:21 PM (/kBoL)
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I'm not sure I agree that he does. But even if true, ultimately she is the candidate. There is little in her past that leads me to believe she is a great candidate.
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 03:21 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Feh at March 03, 2015 03:21 PM (ied4u)
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 02:47 PM (gmeXX)
The Founders weren't wrong, what they didn't count on was that the process they created to amend the constitution would be used to make the constitution and the branches of government watered down and completely removed from their original design.
Remember, the founders wanted the Senate to be a deliberative, cooling off place for bills that could be passed in the heat of an event with little thought by the "people's house". The Founders were trying to avoid a mob rule or democratic type of government.
The senators were to be selected by each state's gov. and able to be recalled by the state's legislative body. They were supposed to represent the state's population as much as possible.
We amended the constitution to make Senators an elected by the populace position, held for six years. We have senators(and congressmen) who are pointed to with pride now for having been reelected for decades. Senators who cannot even hold a pen are voting....
And then there is the little amendment known as the fourteenth, which sounds noble on the surface, but has been used to take away everyone's freedom and ability to choose how to live their life.
Posted by: Jen the original at March 03, 2015 03:21 PM (zuDPz)
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 03:20 PM (gmeXX)
That or get it out early so it will be forgotten.
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 03:22 PM (0FSuD)
Because 90% are lawyers.
*no offence to Moron lawyers*
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 03:14 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2015 03:22 PM (2Ojst)
He wants his third term. Hillary is worn out, frothing at the mouth and he's beating her like a rented mule to keep her going.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 03:22 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 03:23 PM (0FSuD)
I am so certain because I look at the facts that are in front of my face instead of believing that which I wish were true.
First of all, clinton has No One running against her.
Second, why do you think she took the sec-state job, for shits and giggles?
Every single thing clinton has done since the summer of 2008 was for her '16 campaign. obama is behind her campaign, and so is the entire Democrat apparatus, including the media.
Posted by: Dbamon Soothsayere at March 03, 2015 03:23 PM (omuEe)
Posted by: Feh at March 03, 2015 03:18 PM
You seem to think that's important.
New Flash: Choom Boy breaks the law every goddamned day (and more often on days that end in "y") and if anyone suggests there should be a reckoning over that, we get the who tired, gutless "Bad Optics, would hurt the Republican 'brand'") pap from Poppin' Fresh and the True Conservative Surrender Monkeys.
Shrillery has a Right to be the Other President Historic First, for the same reason teh Jebster has a right to be the R nominee: they are entitled. Don't confuse her with facts like "laws," mmmmkay?
Posted by: MrScribbler at March 03, 2015 03:23 PM (P8YHq)
Someone needs to compare list from first vote to second to see who the weasels are.
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 03:20 PM (0FSuD)>>>
Boehner relies on Democrat votes to pass the Democrat agenda often. This isn't some change. He gets the votes when he needs them, like on the vote for Speaker, the vote for allowing cromnibus to come to the floor (just to name a few recent votes), but allows them to vote against him when he doesn't need the vote, like here. Or on the final cromnibus vote. That's what makes it theater. If they were just forthright in their voting, it wouldn't be theater.
Posted by: gm at March 03, 2015 03:23 PM (/kBoL)
Posted by: Carol at March 03, 2015 03:23 PM (sj3Ax)
Based on history? What? About 80 years?
Yes, you'd need to re-build every 3 or 4 generations.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 03:23 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: wrg500 at March 03, 2015 03:18 PM (sWgE+)
Dunno. I suspect he's OK with being out of the limelight, and usually away from her. He gets to do what he wants.
No Vegas hookers/underage sex slaves if he's First Lady.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at March 03, 2015 03:23 PM (vgIRn)
Hitlery just has a big war chest.
Posted by: Ron Dayne at March 03, 2015 03:24 PM (klYSh)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 03:24 PM (0FSuD)
1. The anti-Christ comes to power (Obama anybody).
2. The Chosen People are annihilated (Iran gets the bomb).
Posted by: Jukin at March 03, 2015 03:24 PM (WGm5T)
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 03:17 PM (gmeXX)
Boehner knew he had the votes to let some vote against him so that they can win re election.
They're all playing a game. The leadership knows they have to let the reps from conservative districts get some protest votes in so they don't get primaried.
Boehners power and influence will drop significantly if the Dems re-win the house, so he's fine with letting guys vote against him then finding a camera to get in front of and talk shit. None of its personal, its all fake.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 03:24 PM (AkOaV)
You know, the one that the left, right and everything in between including all those conservatives and their blogs, hated and feared.
Good times, good times indeed.
Posted by: Dean the talking Tabby at March 03, 2015 03:24 PM (M0YXY)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 03, 2015 03:24 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 03:24 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Ron Dayne at March 03, 2015 03:24 PM (klYSh)
That hang down to her knees
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 03:25 PM (0FSuD)
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The facts I look at is that she was supposed to be inevitable in 2008, and she lost. She is not popular in her own party. And she is simply not a good politician. Bad politicians typically do not win.
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 03:25 PM (gmeXX)
She was an MTV VJ turned Reason columnist turned Fox Business talking head.
She's a libertarian, I like her I guess.
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 03:25 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Carol at March 03, 2015 03:25 PM (sj3Ax)
If that's correct then this is all required and part of the plan so no worries.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 03:25 PM (1Y+hH)
She's a horrible candidate/campaigner. She had 2008 gift wrapped for her and blew it. But she and Bill love power and the trappings that go along with it. Both would sell Chelsea into slavery if they thought it would put them in power again.
Posted by: wrg500 at March 03, 2015 03:26 PM (sWgE+)
Read it at the WSJ. Your head will explode on the immigration issues.
Posted by: Marcus T. at March 03, 2015 03:26 PM (GGCsk)
Here's another news-flash: there isn't a majority in favor of deporting them, either.
Y'all are banging your heads against a wall that isn't going to come down.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 03, 2015 03:27 PM (ljZD2)
Boehner tweets pic of 'clean' nutless groin to the world. This guy is a bigger embarrassment than Obama, because he's (I hear you Modern Whigs, Libertarians, and etc. tuning up your 'what you mean WE, kemo sabe?') he's OUR embarrassment.
Democrats commence bottom-feeding over a Real Statesman speaking to the Congress. Some of them undoubtedly have staffs hard at work figuring out exactly where the line falls between the party money (okay, it's a stereotype, but there ARE lots of Jews involved there, many don't call themselves Zionists but aren't willing to wash their hands of Israel) and the activist end of the party rabble (which doesn't much care about distinctions between anti-Israel, anti-Zionist, and anti-Semitic.)
Hillary exposed as utterly lawless by NYT, left pundits scramble around like ants whose hill is on fire, the ones who got the memo join in the condemnation, the ones who didn't rush to defend. I figure the word's going out that Hillary's too slow and not left enough and needs to be hit hard enough to drive her out of the race early enough to get the Real Left like Warren in.
Posted by: JEM at March 03, 2015 03:27 PM (o+SC1)
http://tinyurl.com/n4oqhss
Posted by: Tami at March 03, 2015 03:28 PM (v0/PR)
Posted by: Carol at March 03, 2015 03:25 PM (sj3Ax)>>>
I'm sure that a vast majority of them had their permission slip signed by Boehner first.
Posted by: gm at March 03, 2015 03:28 PM (/kBoL)
Posted by: 80s cartoon guy at March 03, 2015 03:29 PM (vgIRn)
There is a school of thought that holds that the most effective way to reform a degenerated organization is start a new organization and populate the new org by cannibilizing the old one.
And at this point it's obvious that we have nothing to lose.
Posted by: Edgar Allan Schmoe at March 03, 2015 03:30 PM (vwbj4)
The Whigs morphed into the Republicans, in about 6 years, using 1850's technology...
The Republicans won the Presidency in the Second Election they ever nominated anyone for...
History does not agree with your assertion.
Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 02:41 PM (qh617)
I think some even more recent history should give us food for thought. When Perot ran in '92 he got nearly 20% of the vote and even then everyone knew he was nuts! A serious conservative candidate could probably get a third of the vote inthe firstPresidential election with a new party.
Posted by: RDittmar at March 03, 2015 03:30 PM (aZ2cX)
>>> 3.) Break them off as the core of your new Party.
AKA The Hard Part.
If you have no money, you have to show them you can bring them votes. If you can bring in a million votes, you're better than a million dollars in some ways.
Posted by: Bigby's Fistbump at March 03, 2015 03:30 PM (3ZtZW)
At what point do you declare Boehner a hostile witness to the party and dump him?
Posted by: Marcus T. at March 03, 2015 03:30 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 03:30 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 03:20 PM (1Y+hH)>>>
Kill your enemy. Or, hurt him enough to sue for peace. But, I guess in your and Boehner's case, it involves rolling over on your back like a dog.
Posted by: gm at March 03, 2015 03:30 PM (/kBoL)
At what point do you declare Boehner a hostile witness to the party and dump him?
Posted by: Marcus T. at March 03, 2015 03:30 PM (GGCsk)>>>
T.H.E.A.T.E.R.
Unless they depose him, evidence suggests that they "opposed" him for the rubes watching from home, but are with him in all the ways that count.
Posted by: gm at March 03, 2015 03:32 PM (/kBoL)
I may be wrong... if I am, I would expect all 167 to try and oust Boehner from his speakership.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2015 03:35 PM (afouc)
I want to know who to call to demand Boehner's (figurative) head on a platter.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2015 03:37 PM (afouc)
There is only two things to do:
1) Either we get busy forming a third party--realizing it means the Big Government Forever Party gets what they want for the next 4 years instead of 8 to 20.
2) Or we get busy fomenting a revolution.
Bitching and griping ain't gonna get results.
#2 is a death wish.
Hmm. How about this? The Democrat-Republican Alliance Party?
How many votes would we steal just on the name alone?
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 03, 2015 03:37 PM (ZvKdv)
I would ask just how stupid they think we are but the fact that this bill was even a possibility to pass says they think we are very stupid indeed.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2015 03:42 PM (afouc)
Ace, you spent a lot of time deriding the so-cons, and the Palin supporters, and the Tea Partiers, and the third-party folks.
You NEVER grasped that the wordt Tea Party candidate couldn't be as bad as McCain or Boehner, and condemned them for not being your dream candidate.
Now you don't want to take a big, steaming bite of the shit sandwich you helped make for the rest of us.
Go vote Democrat. Whatever.
Posted by: Brian Williams at March 03, 2015 03:49 PM (XO6WW)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 03, 2015 03:50 PM (XO6WW)
Boehner is like a battered wife. He thinks Harry's and Nancy's abuse is all his fault and he'll do anything to avoid the next split lip.
Posted by: Kam at March 03, 2015 04:01 PM (Xv7f/)
Posted by: PhilDayton at March 03, 2015 04:02 PM (eFytx)
Boehner cited his fear of a terrorist act happening during a DHS shutdown as justifying his caving.
So, now, to influence the policies of the Republican majority in Congress, terrorists don't even have to do any actual terrorizing. They just have to ... be.
Posted by: Joe D. at March 03, 2015 04:04 PM (Xv7f/)
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Correct.
Everyone likes to tip toe around it, but until a few people in leadership positions start having accidents not a thing will change. If you want a sort of outline see Vince Flynn's first novel Term Limits, though there is no need to particularly make specific demands, it's the introduction of some healthy fear of the people that is key and sorely missing.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at March 03, 2015 04:15 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: bwbandy at March 03, 2015 04:44 PM (wU8vv)
I'm totes impressed with Jeb and how's he energized the GOP's base.
He's going to be so much better than Hillary.
Posted by: Ace of Spades: Early Edition at March 03, 2015 04:49 PM (klYSh)
Posted by: Laugh it up Fuzzball at March 04, 2015 11:25 AM (O6j2k)
Posted by: ron n. at March 05, 2015 08:00 PM (YVQn/)
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