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Democrats: Yeah, Your Boy Boehner Cut a Deal With Us on DHS Funding


Pull the plug already.

Conservatives were, in the Washington Post's notorious phrasing, "uneducated, gullible, and easily led."

If we let this pass without tumult and retribution, we are just as the Washington Post said of us.

I don't consider this all that important, but the Establishmentarians are running ads against conservatives, or at least pressuring them to vote for this Comprehensive Piece of Shit.

It's not about the ads, exactly; it's just about the attitude generally.

The time for a third party is now upon us. The Establishment has refused to compromise and find common ground; they are determined to just win and deliver their political deliverables to the Wall Street wing that serves as their paymasters.

A failing organization which will not be reformed must instead be destroyed.

BTW, the first order of business of the new party? Jacking up taxes on the wealthiest 1% and on corporations.

Can't keep taxes on the rich and corporations low, you know; it's not politically smart.


Posted by: Ace at 06:52 PM




Comments

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1 NINE!

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 02, 2015 06:53 PM (16bOT)

2 That orange rat bastard...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 02, 2015 06:54 PM (Bn6aD)

3 I've been putting off going down to the courthouse and changing my registration from R to something more sensible, like Libertarian.

*shudder*

I keep hoping for SMOD to save me from that horrible fate.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 06:54 PM (h6Mpm)

4 I'm too pissed off and lazy to go get the others. Slap, you go.

Posted by: L, Elle at March 02, 2015 06:55 PM (6J/xZ)

5 3 I've been putting off going down to the courthouse and changing my registration from R to something more sensible, like Libertarian.

Already changed mine to independent...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 02, 2015 06:55 PM (Bn6aD)

6 What's everybody drinking tonight?

Nothing orange, I hope.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 06:55 PM (h6Mpm)

7
We all knew it was inevitable. And two minutes after its passage, I guarantee the court injunction on obama's illegal amnesty will be lifted.

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 02, 2015 06:56 PM (omuEe)

8 Posted by: L, Elle at March 02, 2015 06:55 PM (6J/xZ)

Did, done, dood.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 02, 2015 06:56 PM (16bOT)

9 The Dems have been saying this for days now and the Repukes have denied it. So which set of liars are we to believe?

Posted by: Vic at March 02, 2015 06:56 PM (wlDny)

10 Suck it bitchez.
*hic*

Posted by: John Boehner at March 02, 2015 06:56 PM (sQzB6)

11 Votings for Rs just to keep the Ds nominally out of power.

Half-hearted justification I cling to.

Quarter-hearted, actually.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at March 02, 2015 06:56 PM (3yHhO)

12 What can we do?

If we started mailing turds to Boehner's office...we'd probably get arrested, for something.

Maybe we could mail pictures of turds?

Posted by: wheatie at March 02, 2015 06:56 PM (XIzXB)

13
And to cap of these miserable two weeks, tomorrow the inept Republicans will inadvertently allow code pink to disrupt Netanyahu's address, turning the whole thing into a horror show.

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 02, 2015 06:57 PM (omuEe)

14 I give up.

Posted by: Lauren at March 02, 2015 06:57 PM (MYCIw)

15 >>Maybe we could mail pictures of turds?

What would I do with all those pictures of myself?

Posted by: John Boehner at March 02, 2015 06:58 PM (sQzB6)

16 NBC Nightly News is covering the skydiver seizure.

Ace, you should get a job at NBC News. You're on top of this stuff before they are. You could make a lot of money filter stories for them.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 02, 2015 06:58 PM (oFCZn)

17 So this is what we will get for the next 2 years. Boner and McConnell passing one shit sandwhich after another with Democrat votes.

Posted by: L, Elle at March 02, 2015 06:58 PM (6J/xZ)

18
And, then, later this week, the Republicans will give obama full authority to supposedly fight ISIS, which means help ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood take over Syria.

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 02, 2015 06:58 PM (omuEe)

19 Time to put that (T) next to your name if you want to get keep my vote.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 02, 2015 06:59 PM (16bOT)

20 "If we let this pass without tumult and retribution, we are just as the Washington Post said of us."

Political Operation Decimate (TM) must be engaged.

Of course, Boehner et al. will have already sabotaged the country and acquired their own bits of silver and we'll be stuck with the costs...

so we have that going for us.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 02, 2015 06:59 PM (1CroS)

21 The time for a third party is now upon us.

Harrumph!

Posted by: Gov. Wm. J. LePetomane at March 02, 2015 06:59 PM (8ZskC)

22 So this is what we will get for the next 2 years. Boner and McConnell passing one shit sandwhich after another with Democrat votes.
Posted by: L, Elle at March 02, 2015 06:58 PM (6J/xZ)


Enough booze, and shit sandwiches are pretty tasty!

*hic*

Posted by: John Boehner at March 02, 2015 06:59 PM (h6Mpm)

23 Let's spit upon our hands, hoist the white flag, and capitulate!

Posted by: Michael Steel at March 02, 2015 06:59 PM (dVmLD)

24
I told y'all back in 2008 that the GOP didn't want to do anything that would reflect badly on our first "historic" president of color. I said it again, repeatedly, in 2012.

Need any more proof?

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 02, 2015 07:00 PM (RcpcZ)

25 Never thought I'd have to see the point where a 3rd party actually looked like the "right" course. Yet, here we are. Even on my most cynical day I still held out hope I'd have more time than this.

Yeah - the demoturds have won, since apparently after the worst drubbing in a long time they still get what they want without even having to compromise. So, I guess Let It Burn takes on a whole new urgency. Screw this place. Time to hit the reset button.

I just hope that when Iran nukes us they hit New York or San Fran.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 02, 2015 07:00 PM (TsW/N)

26 Is that a picture of his wax museum figure?

Posted by: tu3031 at March 02, 2015 07:00 PM (i0wGQ)

27 Let's spit upon our hands, hoist the white flag, and capitulate!
Posted by: Michael Steel at March 02, 2015 06:59 PM (dVmLD)


That's the *hic* spirit!

Have a drink!

*hic*

Posted by: John Boehner at March 02, 2015 07:00 PM (h6Mpm)

28 Starting a third party would only ensure that Democrats win...wouldn't it?

Posted by: wheatie at March 02, 2015 07:01 PM (XIzXB)

29 Well, at least they can't hurl the epithet, "Republican", at me any more. Because I'm done with that charade.

Posted by: Bitsko at March 02, 2015 07:01 PM (87aLl)

30
Alternate post title:

Turns Out ISIS Is Not The J.V. Team obama Was Referring To..

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 02, 2015 07:01 PM (omuEe)

31 Yes. 3rd Party. It's time.

Posted by: bkeyser at March 02, 2015 07:01 PM (dG7DS)

32 Remind me why we were all excited last November?

Posted by: Ever at March 02, 2015 07:01 PM (QZdJj)

33 Unipartisanship!

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 02, 2015 07:01 PM (MMC8r)

34 Double harrumph!

Posted by: Hubert Harrumphy at March 02, 2015 07:01 PM (zFn4j)

35
Senate Democrats on Monday blocked the formation of a conference committee with the House to agree to funding for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). If the 47-43 procedural vote had been successful, senators would have moved immediately to a final vote on the motion to go to conference with the House.

7 Rs not bothering to vote:

Blunt (R-MO)
Gardner (R-CO)
Kirk (R-IL)
Paul (R-KY)
Shelby (R-AL)
Vitter (R-LA)
Wicker (R-MS)

http://tinyurl.com/o7qwgnm

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 02, 2015 07:02 PM (kdS6q)

36 >>Remind me why we were all excited last November?

We were being set up for a raging case of orange balls.

Posted by: Aviator at March 02, 2015 07:02 PM (sQzB6)

37
It would make more sense and be far easier to just wrest the Republican party from the hands of the sellouts and then drive them all out..

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 02, 2015 07:03 PM (omuEe)

38 Starting a third party would only ensure that Democrats win...wouldn't it?
Posted by: wheatie at March 02, 2015 07:01 PM (XIzXB)


You wouldn't want to do that.

*hic*

That would prevent McChhool....McCannnnn.....McConnell and me from giving away the store from our positions of Congressional *hic* leadersslip.

*hic*

Posted by: John Boehner at March 02, 2015 07:03 PM (h6Mpm)

39 Only problem with raising the Corp tax rate is the Corp will raise the prices to cover the tax expense.

Corps don't pay taxes - they collect them for the govt.

I am ready for Thirdpartydom though.

Posted by: Mike at March 02, 2015 07:03 PM (ooPGl)

40 We are the segment of the electorate that is to be patronized, lied to, placated, and then marginalized.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 02, 2015 07:03 PM (8ZskC)

41 Burn the place to the ground. Start over.

Posted by: Iblis at March 02, 2015 07:03 PM (9221z)

42 The Rs don't want to block DHS funding because they *want the amnesty.*

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 02, 2015 07:03 PM (MMC8r)

43 Remember, come election day, to vote for the lesser of evils.

Which now actually means vote for neither Kang nor Kodos but Door #3.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 02, 2015 07:04 PM (1CroS)

44
First thing we need to do is remove McConnell from Senate leadership. We can do this with blog posts, twitter, phone calls, emails, and letters.

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 02, 2015 07:04 PM (omuEe)

45 Color me orange shocked.

Yawn...

Posted by: shredded chi at March 02, 2015 07:04 PM (dMVEi)

46 53 I've been putting off going down to the courthouse and changing my registration from R to something more sensible, like Libertarian.

Already changed mine to independent..._____Changed mine to Independent after the first round of amnesty bullshit during the Bush years. It didn't make much of an impact.

Posted by: BuckIV at March 02, 2015 07:04 PM (CLfqv)

47 I was going to change my registration but found out I didn't have to. In Virginia, you just register to vote. They never ask about political affiliation. I'm a conservative which the GOP no longer represents. Second look at The Whigs?

Posted by: puddleglum@work at March 02, 2015 07:04 PM (20X6f)

48 I don't expect Boehner and McConnell to win everything for Republicans, but is it too much to ask for something?

Posted by: The Insurgent Hat at March 02, 2015 07:05 PM (0Ew3K)

49 Burn the place to the ground. Start over.

Posted by: Iblis at March 02, 2015 07:03 PM (9221z)



This. Alas, too many things are just not fixable without a reset.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 02, 2015 07:05 PM (TsW/N)

50 We can do this with blog posts, twitter, phone calls, emails, and letters.

We can help.

Posted by: Big Papier Mache Head at March 02, 2015 07:05 PM (8ZskC)

51 >>I don't expect Boehner and McConnell to win everything for Republicans, but is it too much to ask for something?

Mitch and I saw to it you got something.
How do our asses taste?
*hic*

Posted by: John Boehner at March 02, 2015 07:06 PM (sQzB6)

52 You mean she lied to me? She said Democrats had the majority...

Posted by: John Boehner at March 02, 2015 07:07 PM (FcR7P)

53 Party of the Chamber of Commerce is not the Party of the middle class. Time for people to realize that CoC is not the friend of those who pull the wagon.

Posted by: Ever at March 02, 2015 07:07 PM (QZdJj)

54 48
I don't expect Boehner and McConnell to win everything for Republicans, but is it too much to ask for something?


You'll **hic** get nothing and like it.

Posted by: John Boehner at March 02, 2015 07:07 PM (4nR9/)

55 We need more escaped llamas, stat!

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 07:07 PM (h6Mpm)

56 Don't upset the applecart, the Rollover Brigade said. A delicate moment hangs in the balance, the Rollover Brigade said. If only we don't make any unseemly waves now, we have a chance to win in 2014, the Rollover Brigade said. Then, the Rollover Brigade predicted, its collective head jammed confidently up its collective ass, this inbred gang of spineless jackweasels called the GOP will unveil their fully armed and operational plan for limited government and restoration of the rule of law!

Posted by: your pineapple, sir at March 02, 2015 07:07 PM (T0MiM)

57 28Starting a third party would only ensure that Democrats win...wouldn't it?
______It doesn't seem to matter if they win or lose, the Dem's still get done what they want done.

Posted by: BuckIV at March 02, 2015 07:07 PM (CLfqv)

58 these rinos are the reason conservatives won't vote for establishment candidates ....the republicans can have the numbers but they can't accomplish anything with these assholes deliberately going against their constituency.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 02, 2015 07:08 PM (u8GsB)

59 The ___ Hat: "I don't expect Boehner and McConnell to win everything for Republicans, but is it too much to ask for something?"

Yes. Unless you have matching funds and then some to out-purchase the amnesty-industrial complex.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 02, 2015 07:08 PM (1CroS)

60 Gutless ballles bastards ever last one of them. Fuck them all and they will not see dime one from me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 02, 2015 07:09 PM (rDqRv)

61 The Establishment has refused to compromise and find common ground

What are you talking about?! Oh- you mean common ground with you... yeah, that's funny. Throw a cocktail party and then we can talk.

Posted by: The Establishment at March 02, 2015 07:09 PM (FcR7P)

62 Some say that the Democrats and Republicans are the same. That's simply not true. The Democrats are fascists (big government dictating to big business) and the Republicans are corporatists (big business dictating to big government). Go Republicans! Yay!

Posted by: gm at March 02, 2015 07:09 PM (/kBoL)

63 Don't upset the applecart, the Rollover Brigade said. A delicate moment hangs in the balance, the Rollover Brigade said. If only we don't make any unseemly waves now, we have a chance to win in 2014, the Rollover Brigade said. Then, the Rollover Brigade predicted, its collective head jammed confidently up its collective ass, this inbred gang of spineless jackweasels called the GOP will unveil their fully armed and operational plan for limited government and restoration of the rule of law!
Posted by: your pineapple, sir at March 02, 2015 07:07 PM (T0MiM)


"This is not the hill to die on."

"This particular conservative is unelectable because he/she gives the media the vapours."

"You won't pull that football away this time, will you Sally?"

Run. llamas, run!
"

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 07:09 PM (h6Mpm)

64 White House Says Obama Has No Plans To Watch Netanyahu Address To Congress

Weasel Zippers

Arrogant little piss ant

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 02, 2015 07:10 PM (rDqRv)

65 McConell boned Boehner on this one by letting Reid run the Senate. When the Dems filibusted the bill in the Senate, McConnell should have called their bluff and made them speak, non-stop, letting their retardation fill the airwaves.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 02, 2015 07:10 PM (i55o+)

66 http://www.modernwhig.org/

Well now, they came back. I'm kidding about this of course. I think. Maybe.......well.......

Not a whole lot of options, are there.

Posted by: puddleglum@work at March 02, 2015 07:10 PM (20X6f)

67 So, Ace, it's okay now to vote against Thad Cochran?

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 02, 2015 07:11 PM (2o6Wj)

68 "I don't expect Boehner and McConnell to win everything for Republicans, but is it too much to ask for something?"

Let me ask Nancy. She can probably give you something.

Posted by: John Boehner at March 02, 2015 07:11 PM (FcR7P)

69 "You won't pull that football away this time, will you Sally?"

Run. llamas, run!

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 07:09 PM (h6Mpm)


Sally, Lucy, whatever.

God, I need a drink!

(Sorry about the extraneous double-quote back up there . . . )

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 07:11 PM (h6Mpm)

70 Is there any viable method to make the Republicans in the Senate and house be accountable to their constituents instead of their paymasters? I've been lied to enough that I am fully on board with the crash and burn crowd. I'm up for Clinton or Warren at this point, unless I start seeing a whole lot of conservative action and a whole lot less of this "I voted for the fake but conservation option 99 times before I conceded and let the Democrats eat my lunch. 99% rating! woo hop!"

Posted by: Guilty Bystander at March 02, 2015 07:11 PM (mTjhF)

71 If you need cheering up, SMOD just released its first campaign ad of the election cycle. It's pretty powerful stuff.
http://www.break.com/video/what-if-an-asteroid-hit-the-earth-2827728

Posted by: Dig Dug at March 02, 2015 07:12 PM (i4XvR)

72 White House Says Obama Has No Plans To Watch Netanyahu Address To Congress

During Sponge Bob?! Gimme a break, guys...

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at March 02, 2015 07:12 PM (FcR7P)

73 "I don't expect Boehner and McConnell to win everything for Republicans, but is it too much to ask for something?"

How about a nice ride on the House Office Building tram that goes underneath the Capitol, sonny?

*hic*

Posted by: John Boehner at March 02, 2015 07:13 PM (8ZskC)

74 A Boehner, after all, is just another Dick.

Posted by: Killerdog at March 02, 2015 07:13 PM (vntmB)

75 If they fold I believe there will be a full blown revolt in the House and Senate. To what end I don't know, but it will get nasty, which is just fine with me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 02, 2015 07:14 PM (rDqRv)

76 I'm not really buying it. Democrats lie at least as much as the GOP sells us out, so I think what happened is that Democrats were about 4 hours away from losing their leverage and figured they'd give us another week to agonize over it, pouring a little salt in in hopes that it's produce a long-term clean bill.

Posted by: crrr6 at March 02, 2015 07:14 PM (89GIe)

77 Obama Has No Plans To Watch Netanyahu Address

It's March so he probably can't afford to miss any of ESPN.

Posted by: t-bird at March 02, 2015 07:15 PM (FcR7P)

78 Geeze, I can't believe there is anyone still left in the Republican party.

Another day, another whining session.

OBAMA 'VERY INTERESTED' IN UNILATERAL TAX HIKE

Gee, you don't say?

America the impotent. Fag boy just keeps rolling along.




Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 02, 2015 07:15 PM (Vlmpk)

79 The new party must secure funding. Flip as many GOPe donors as possible, pick up some rich libertarians, find a few more Koch relatives.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at March 02, 2015 07:15 PM (X/+QT)

80 This is not the hill to die on. The hill to die on is the hill by your house, after we continue to let the GOP batter us like a pinata for another year or two. Then we can go to the hill near our house and let Leviathan roll over us with their tanks.

Posted by: Sensible Republican at March 02, 2015 07:15 PM (ChY2Q)

81 Fire, sweet cleansing fire.

Posted by: Iblis at March 02, 2015 07:16 PM (9221z)

82 7 Rs not bothering to vote:
...
Gardner (R-CO)


This does not surprise me. I pegged Gardner for a wuss during the primaries.

(I mean, I saw Gardner for a wuss. Pegging him for a wuss is his dominatrix's job.)

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 02, 2015 07:16 PM (AVEe1)

83 LIB?

Posted by: Golfman in NC at March 02, 2015 07:16 PM (wVWRM)

84 >>Obama Has No Plans To Watch Netanyahu Address



It's March so he probably can't afford to miss any of ESPN.


Nah, it's "Down Low Tuesday" at the White House.

Posted by: Reggie at March 02, 2015 07:17 PM (sQzB6)

85 White House Says Obama Has No Plans To Watch Netanyahu Address To Congress

BiBi should walk up to the dais, pull out two golf balls, and crush them in his hands like Oddjob.

For the symbolism.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 02, 2015 07:17 PM (1CroS)

86 This is not the hill to die on.

We are the only hill to die on. They'll go to the mats against their constituents.

Posted by: t-bird at March 02, 2015 07:17 PM (FcR7P)

87 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 02, 2015 07:18 PM (4gN5w)

88 Quislings for all to see. I vote (D) now instead of staying home. Third party sounds good.

Oh yeah, if I see a chamber of commerce plaque hanging in your office-no soup for you

Posted by: Old Glazier at March 02, 2015 07:18 PM (u63X/)

89 #85, 8-balls instead. dyswidt?

Posted by: Tonic Dog at March 02, 2015 07:18 PM (X/+QT)

90 waves Hi!! We're not dead yet!

Posted by: Modern Whig Party at March 02, 2015 07:18 PM (20X6f)

91 They'll go to the mats against their constituents.
Posted by: t-bird at March 02, 2015 07:17 PM (FcR7P)


No, they're doing exactly what their constituents want. Even though we've voted them into office, we're not their constituents.

Posted by: Iblis at March 02, 2015 07:19 PM (9221z)

92 Face reality. Conservatives are a minority of the minority party. Or we are utterly incompetent at electing people. Neither problem is addressed by running off and trying to form a third party.

If we really are the majority in a Congressional District we need to be asking why a RINO is sitting in what should be our seat. It really is that simple, the ballot box is where the rubber hits the road. We take them down one at a time, even if it means we lose seats to the D team from time to time. Never again do we vote for an incumbent just because the D is worse. Never again vote for an incumbent based on an argument the conservative can't win the general. Even if the 'experts' are correct and we lose the seat. Only by being willing to lose seats do we frighten the incumbents enough to obey us instead of the K Street types.

Remember, they will ALL go native so just electing 'the right people' is another losing game. If we get our game on even the squishes will get religion and vote our way. Don't try to elect better rascals, be better voters.

Posted by: John Morris at March 02, 2015 07:20 PM (JiDdW)

93 The time for a third party is now upon us.

Wowzers!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 02, 2015 07:20 PM (W5DcG)

94 Help me, JeffB, you're my only hope!

Posted by: hologram of Princess GOPe at March 02, 2015 07:21 PM (2KB+E)

95 But the again, the Dems may be playing the R's.

Would it be a surprise for Boner to be outflanked?

Or that could be the ruse.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at March 02, 2015 07:21 PM (wVWRM)

96 I'm ideologically opposed to the whole "soak the rich Wall Street fatcats" thang.

But seeing as how they want to fuck me over with cheap imported illegal alien labor...

... fuck them with a Louisville slugger.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 02, 2015 07:21 PM (4ckfx)

97 Tonic Dog: "#85, 8-balls instead. dyswidt?"

Now that would be impressive. Darth Cheney impressive.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 02, 2015 07:21 PM (1CroS)

98 Tax their dicks into the dirt.

How high of a tax on Hollywood executives is too high? Whatever they are right now, they ain't high enough.

Posted by: Crude at March 02, 2015 07:22 PM (/IrCS)

99 It's the cat herd in the Senate that is destroying the GOP. Those assholes like McCain, Ayotte, Graham, Cornyn etc.

McConnell can't control these shits. He's too afraid to screw them on committee assignments and they, in turn, don't really give a shit what the party wants them to do on important votes. They believe in "good government" and "bipartisanship" instead of victory and rewarding the voters who worked so hard to put hose pigs in office.

If the Senate would behave, the House would work just fine. Taking Boehners scalp, by contrast, will not change a single damn thing. It's the Senate GOP.

Posted by: MTF, High Horsin' at March 02, 2015 07:22 PM (FCsIb)

100 Oh yeah, if I see a chamber of commerce plaque hanging in your office-no soup for you
Posted by: Old Glazier at March 02, 2015 07:18 PM (u63X/)

Dropped in 2010. Come see US.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at March 02, 2015 07:22 PM (wVWRM)

101 Modern Whig Party.

http://www.modernwhig.org/

I'm in.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 02, 2015 07:23 PM (4ckfx)

102 This is enraging. Even if the deal is just a lie, the fact that it's a plausible one is enough reason for Boehner to lose his gavel.

Posted by: jmel at March 02, 2015 07:23 PM (cfFqn)

103 When will the establishment apologist sycophants show up?

Posted by: buzzion at March 02, 2015 07:23 PM (z/Ubi)

104 Sudden but inevitable betrayal is sudden but inevitable.

Posted by: toby928(C) is #8 at March 02, 2015 07:24 PM (rwI+c)

105 Face reality. Conservatives are a minority of the minority party.

Embrace the suck. The Euroweenies have won.
Go full Greek.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 02, 2015 07:24 PM (W5DcG)

106 and In before the Republican toadys!

Posted by: toby928(C) is #8 at March 02, 2015 07:24 PM (rwI+c)

107
I stand at-the-ready, my whip in hand.

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 02, 2015 07:25 PM (omuEe)

108 101: Heh! I was just poking around online and I found them.

Posted by: puddleglum@work at March 02, 2015 07:25 PM (20X6f)

109 I hate those guys.

Posted by: Sundance Kid at March 02, 2015 07:26 PM (JgQLj)

110
Wait, what's on tv tonight?

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 02, 2015 07:26 PM (omuEe)

111 Put that whig hat on your head, mama.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 02, 2015 07:26 PM (W5DcG)

112 >>>96 I'm ideologically opposed to the whole "soak the rich Wall Street fatcats" thang.

But seeing as how they want to fuck me over with cheap imported illegal alien labor...

... fuck them with a Louisville slugger.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 02, 2015 07:21 PM (4ckfx)>>>

You don't have to consider someone to be your enemy for them to declare war on you. It's up to you whether you fight them, or just sit back and let them kill or enslave you.

Posted by: gm at March 02, 2015 07:27 PM (/kBoL)

113 Mr. McConnell, Mr. Boehner? You both have potential!

*nose grows*

Posted by: Pinocchio at March 02, 2015 07:27 PM (16bOT)

114 101 Modern Whig Party.

http://www.modernwhig.org/

I'm in.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 02, 2015 07:23 PM (4ckfx)


do I have to wear a whig?

Posted by: Sundance Kid at March 02, 2015 07:27 PM (JgQLj)

115 Ace, this is simply irresponsible and untrue. Republicans stand for far more than just lower taxes for 1%ers. What about foreign policy? Doesnt anyone remember Governor Romney prophetic warnings about Russian expansionism? Do you really believe that the US Government would be as weak on the world stage as it is now if we had won in 2012?

This third party nonsense is extremely dangerous, because a successful conservative third party would enable Democrats to steer further to the left without actually losing offices, since they would need a lower margin to win elections. I sincerely hope you come to your senses, Ace!

Posted by: Begonia at March 02, 2015 07:27 PM (qc92g)

116 When voting doesn't matter because they go back on their election promises and go all lib on us, another party isn't the answer.

Ballot box
Soap box
hell if I forgot the last one.

Wiser men than me remember what it is.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 02, 2015 07:27 PM (WNERA)

117 "Tax their dicks into the dirt. How high of a tax on Hollywood executives is too high? Whatever they are right now, they ain't high enough."

Don't forget about Obama's pals at Google, Facebook, Twitter, Salesforce, Yahoo, et cetera.

They're the 1% of the 1%.

Give them a horse-doctor's dose of those higher taxes their BFF al-Buraq keeps saying the country needs.

Throw a few of them in the Graybar Motel for evasion, too. It's not as though you would have to dig very deep. Their tax returns aren't in any better odor than are Sharpton's.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 02, 2015 07:28 PM (noWW6)

118
Ace, this is simply irresponsible and untrue. Republicans stand for far more than just lower taxes for 1%ers. What about foreign policy?

Lulz!

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 02, 2015 07:28 PM (omuEe)

119 >>> do I have to wear a whig?

Yes, a lace whig

Posted by: L, Elle at March 02, 2015 07:28 PM (6J/xZ)

120 >>>They believe in "good government" and "bipartisanship" instead of victory and rewarding the voters who worked so hard to put hose pigs in office.

Posted by: MTF, High Horsin' at March 02, 2015 07:22 PM (FCsIb)>>>

Funny how "good government" according to these "conservatives" always results in leftist policies, isn't it?

Posted by: gm at March 02, 2015 07:29 PM (/kBoL)

121 ..."Ballot box
Soap box
hell if I forgot the last one.

Wiser men than me remember what it is.
"
-Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 02, 2015 07:27 PM (WNERA)

-Jury Box.
-Boating Accident.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 02, 2015 07:29 PM (16bOT)

122 "I sincerely hope you come to your senses, Ace!"

He has. Maybe the Republicans should.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 02, 2015 07:29 PM (4ckfx)

123 119 >>> do I have to wear a whig?

Yes, a lace whig

Posted by: L, Elle at March 02, 2015 07:28 PM (6J/xZ)


I'm in!

Posted by: Bridgette Jenner at March 02, 2015 07:29 PM (JgQLj)

124 >>The time for a third party is now upon us.

Can we call it the Breitbart Party?

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 02, 2015 07:31 PM (0xTsz)

125 and In before the Republican toadys!
Don't bother---they're here!

Posted by: babs streisand, card-carrying republican at March 02, 2015 07:31 PM (2KB+E)

126 The Merkin Party of America

Posted by: toby928(C) is #8 at March 02, 2015 07:32 PM (rwI+c)

127 local election tomorrow, then re-registration.

Fuck the GOPe, sideways, with a tanker's bar wrapped up with three coils of rusty concertina wire.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 02, 2015 07:32 PM (jMMCO)

128 Pine box.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 02, 2015 07:32 PM (W5DcG)

129 The Federal Government is probably lost for a generation. Now it's up to our respective states to decide what they are going to do.

Posted by: toby928(C) is #8 at March 02, 2015 07:33 PM (rwI+c)

130 40
We are the segment of the electorate that is to be patronized, lied to, placated, and then marginalized.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 02, 2015 07:03 PM (8ZskC)

So we're black?

Posted by: kathysaysso at March 02, 2015 07:33 PM (fMQoG)

131 "Can we call it the Breitbart Party?"
-Posted by: Mama AJ at March 02, 2015 07:31 PM (0xTsz)

It has a ring to it. It is better than the "Truth and Reconciliation through Righteous Indignation Burn, Scatter and Salt" -Party.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 02, 2015 07:33 PM (16bOT)

132
You reprobates are just racist against Citrus-Americans.

Shame on you.


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 02, 2015 07:33 PM (cSU3r)

133 "Doesnt anyone remember Governor Romney prophetic warnings about Russian expansionism? Do you really believe that the US Government would be as weak on the world stage as it is now if we had won in 2012?"


Bwhaaaaaa. So glad Romney kneecapped conservatives then fellated Obama.

That Romney he cares about us. Bwhhhhaaaaa

I'm not showing up for Republicans any longer. I'll show up to primary them. Then I'll vote for Clinton. Can't wait to watch the First Man to jet off to Orgy Island with his pedofile buddy Epstein.



Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 02, 2015 07:34 PM (Vlmpk)

134 We should adopt Sooth's Righteous and Harmonious Fists Party.

Posted by: toby928(C) is #8 at March 02, 2015 07:34 PM (rwI+c)

135 Posted by: kathysaysso at March 02, 2015 07:33 PM (fMQoG)

Didn't say a thing about checks.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at March 02, 2015 07:35 PM (wVWRM)

136 Okay, "Lace Whig Party" is promising, too.

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 02, 2015 07:35 PM (0xTsz)

137 Hey is Pat Paulson available to run for President

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 02, 2015 07:35 PM (rDqRv)

138 "Ace, this is simply irresponsible and untrue. Republicans stand for far more than just lower taxes for 1%ers."

Oh, that's right.

::: slaps forehead :::

They stand for amnesty, too. What was I thinking?

"Doesnt anyone remember Governor Romney prophetic warnings about Russian expansionism?"

I sure do. But even if we had President Romney right now, does anyone seriously believe he'd be rolling a couple of U.S. Army brigade combat teams onto Ukrainian soil? Faced with a stone cold killer like Putin with a still quite viable nuclear arsenal? And with the US still (!) reliably lacking the ability to intercept and destroy Russian missiles?

There's been a consistent habit of underestimating the very real danger posed by Putin, and the inability of the US to reliably counter him, going back to George W. Bush and his cutesy second-grade playground nicknames for the guy.

You can take it to the bank that Putin, a hardened KGB professional intelligence officer, was neither charmed nor intimidated to be referred to as "Pooty-Poot". He heard that stuff and thought, "These are weak and shallow people," and altered his strategic disposition accordingly.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 02, 2015 07:35 PM (noWW6)

139 I thought that pine nuts' guy, Buddy Epstein, was dead?

Posted by: joey biden at March 02, 2015 07:36 PM (2KB+E)

140 Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 02, 2015 07:33 PM (16bOT)

Heh.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at March 02, 2015 07:36 PM (wVWRM)

141 When even your bartender wants you dead, it's not a good sign.

Posted by: Garrett at March 02, 2015 07:36 PM (66Sda)

142 Yeah, about this "third party" thing. Split Republican party = across the board Democratic victory. Math, you know. Just like every time there's a third party split.

Say hello to President Hillary, renewed Democratic congressional majorities (who could at least sop up the remaining centrist Republicans who survive the split), and the final death spiral of the United States into a socialistic basket case. Just like how Bill Clinton took the Presidency with a plurality, thanks to Ross Perot.

So, just keep that in mind while you call for a third party.

Idiocy.

Posted by: Df82 at March 02, 2015 07:36 PM (d6Wn7)

143 "Doesnt anyone remember Governor Romney prophetic warnings about Russian
expansionism? Do you really believe that the US Government would be as
weak on the world stage as it is now if we had won in 2012?"

i remember Mittens throwing the election: he ran just hard enough to win the nomination, then did jack shit the rest of the way. notice how, after he mopped the floor with Obola at the first debate, he threw away the others, even letting the MFM roll him over?

yeah, he was really interested in winning.

not.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 02, 2015 07:36 PM (jMMCO)

144 ..."It is better than the "Truth and Reconciliation through Righteous Indignation Burn, Scatter and Salt" -Party."

...But that will be the title of my upcoming LP.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 02, 2015 07:36 PM (16bOT)

145 We no longer have need of Congress.
Obama has his lawyers searching for a rational to use for the President to raise taxes by executive order.

He already allocates spending as he sees fit, despite congress and the courts.

Disband congress and save all that money.

Posted by: Geof Francs at March 02, 2015 07:37 PM (Jkb64)

146 Taxed Enough Already Party was good, but taxes are the least of it these days.

FEA Party sounds about right, IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 02, 2015 07:37 PM (0xTsz)

147
I love that name.

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 02, 2015 07:37 PM (omuEe)

148 80% tax rate for all those earning more than 200K who WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT. Everyone else, hey, how's 21% sound? Good? Yeah good.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at March 02, 2015 07:37 PM (scgac)

149 The house and senate will get another chance to cave again on taxes. Ear president wants to raise taxes on corporations with his presidential powers.

Another hill to retreat from.

They say do something, like running for office? Better men than I am have been taken down with lies and lawsuits. I think we need to start over but don't put out any fires too soon.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 02, 2015 07:38 PM (WNERA)

150
the Boxer's Rebellion

how awesome is that

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 02, 2015 07:38 PM (omuEe)

151 Say hello to President Hillary, renewed Democratic congressional majorities (who could at least sop up the remaining centrist Republicans who survive the split), and the final death spiral of the United States into a socialistic basket case.

So, same as today then.

Posted by: toby928(C) is #8 at March 02, 2015 07:38 PM (rwI+c)

152 I trust Romney's "prophetic" warnings about as well as I trust Joe Smith Jr's.

Romney also told us in 2012 it would be AWESOME if we supported the Syrian opposition forces.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 02, 2015 07:38 PM (AVEe1)

153 The Party Party gets my vote.

Posted by: Andrew W K at March 02, 2015 07:38 PM (66Sda)

154 @142

An idiot keeps doing stupid shit over and over. Voting (R) has no reward

Posted by: Old Glazier at March 02, 2015 07:39 PM (u63X/)

155 The Cocktail Party?

Posted by: otho at March 02, 2015 07:39 PM (tBSrv)

156 How about we solve the whole DHS funding problem by eliminating the department?


Problem solved.


Next?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 02, 2015 07:39 PM (xSCb6)

157 Maybe we should mail them pictures of pineapples?

Posted by: STB applauding... at March 02, 2015 07:39 PM (qby7P)

158 "Good government" is less government. But that will never happen.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 02, 2015 07:39 PM (2o6Wj)

159 115 >> "This third party nonsense is extremely dangerous, because a successful conservative third party would enable Democrats to steer further to the left without actually losing offices, since they would need a lower margin to win elections."

I am so sick of hearing that. We elect these ass hats and the result is more of the same old crap. The left prevails when we have a majority because of spineless, back stabbing fools like Miss Lindsey, McShitty, Mitch-the-Bitch and Douche L'Orange.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 02, 2015 07:39 PM (60Vyp)

160 Susan Rice A Bad Deal is Worse Than No Deal

National Security Adviser tells AIPAC that Obama is committed to Israels security and will not agree to a bad deal with Iran.


So says the bitch who thought Bergdahl served with Honor and Distinction and who also swore it was all about a video. Yeah I feel alot better now

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 02, 2015 07:40 PM (rDqRv)

161 That's not funny!

Posted by: barbara boxer at March 02, 2015 07:40 PM (2KB+E)

162 "i remember Mittens throwing the election: he ran just hard enough to win the nomination, then did jack shit the rest of the way. notice how, after he mopped the floor with Obola at the first debate, he threw away the others, even letting the MFM roll him over?"

I have suspected ever since that the Obama oppo team finally managed to get the goods on Mitt's carefully hidden second and third families.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 02, 2015 07:40 PM (noWW6)

163 Starting a third party would only ensure that Democrats win...wouldn't it?
Posted by: wheatie



They continue to win with two parties now.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2015 07:41 PM (RrleI)

164 Ladies and gentlemen...Speaker of the House Foster Brooks

Posted by: Albie Damned at March 02, 2015 07:41 PM (nGaMY)

165 Past one hundred and apropos of nothing, you AK fold should look into these Croatian copies of the Yugo magazine with bhod. I got 4 today by mail order from Apex and they are works of art. Everything on them is perfect, from the bending and spot welding to the hot bluing. Those papists make a fine magazine.

Posted by: toby928(C) is #8 at March 02, 2015 07:41 PM (rwI+c)

166 Let's also not forget Romney saying, let's swallow hard on some amnesty: http://tinyurl.com/lhqz4q6

This was last November. And was roundly groaned-at on this site.

Yeah, citing Romney here pretty much defines you as a tool.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 02, 2015 07:41 PM (AVEe1)

167 The House Party

Posted by: Kid n Play at March 02, 2015 07:41 PM (66Sda)

168 157 Maybe we should mail them pictures of pineapples?

Posted by: STB applauding... at March 02, 2015 07:39 PM (qby7P)


Bananas? Cause that's the republic they're building.

Posted by: Bamboozled at March 02, 2015 07:42 PM (JgQLj)

169
I think Mitt's advisors, ardent Democrats who were double-agents for the DNC, told Mitt he has it all sewn up and can take his foot off the throttle.

Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 02, 2015 07:42 PM (omuEe)

170 "Romney also told us in 2012 it would be AWESOME if we supported the Syrian opposition forces."

As did McQueeg.

Anyone else catch the photos today of the Islamic State guys gleefully rummaging through the huge supply depot which the "moderate Syrian opposition" just meekly surrendered to them?

Packed full of weapons and ammo courtesy of Uncle Sugar. Plus food, medicine, radios and goodness knows what else.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 02, 2015 07:43 PM (noWW6)

171 You can't get rid of RINOs by voting for them.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2015 07:43 PM (Qpzqg)

172 I'm still bummed out about this fire that broke out just down the street from where I work, just before I left work tonight. Police cars and fire trucks were arriving as I left, and I had to take a detour to get home.

https://tinyurl.com/pv6jgh4

The top video was probably from around 6:00, shortly after I left. My building is just out of the shot to the upper right. I've seen more recent video and the building looks like a total loss.

The company has been in business for 50 years. Even though I didn't know the people who worked there, they're kind of like neighbors. I wonder how many people lost their jobs tonight.

Posted by: rickl at March 02, 2015 07:44 PM (sdi6R)

173 There isn't any Democrat or Republican parties anymore. Just a collection of Leftists, Corporatists, Socialists, and various other statists.

Posted by: puddleglum@work at March 02, 2015 07:44 PM (20X6f)

174 156 How about we solve the whole DHS funding problem by eliminating the department?

Problem solved.

Next?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 02, 2015 07:39 PM (xSCb6)


Next is the Dept. of Education....what a hole to throw money in.

Posted by: Bamboozled at March 02, 2015 07:44 PM (JgQLj)

175 It seems like we are living through the same history as the UK, prior to UKIP. How did UKIP get to be a serious party? If it's going to happen, we should learn from successful examples.

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 02, 2015 07:44 PM (Z+7WE)

176 169
I think Mitt's advisors, ardent Democrats who were double-agents for the DNC, told Mitt he has it all sewn up and can take his foot off the throttle.
Posted by: Soothsayer is S.I.G. at March 02, 2015 07:42 PM (omuEe)










Getting enough to get past the 'margin for cheating' and overcoming the 5 points the press is estimated to give the dems is the problem. We aren't going to see that despite who is picked now. Locally that is another matter.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 02, 2015 07:45 PM (WNERA)

177 "How about we solve the whole DHS funding problem by eliminating the department?"

What has originally been created and conglomerated by legislative act may be dissolved into its constituent parts by the same methods.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 02, 2015 07:45 PM (noWW6)

178 Some day you rubes will thank me for selling you out.

Posted by: "Cry Me A River" Boner at March 02, 2015 07:45 PM (Dwehj)

179 "Ladies and gentlemen...Speaker of the House Foster Brooks"


Well, at least the guy can hold his liquor.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 02, 2015 07:45 PM (vzN48)

180 It could be worse, and how it will be!

Posted by: The Pessimistic Hat at March 02, 2015 07:46 PM (0Ew3K)

181 "...and the final death spiral of the United States into a socialistic basket"

About that. You're soaking in it.

Posted by: Madge at March 02, 2015 07:46 PM (1CroS)

182 What freedoms has the GOP restored in the last thirty years?

In the last two years?


What are the goals of the GOP?

What will it do or say to reach those goals?

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2015 07:46 PM (Qpzqg)

183 UKIP is not doing well in latest polls

Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 02, 2015 07:46 PM (zOTsN)

184 163 Starting a third party would only ensure that Democrats win...wouldn't it?
Posted by: wheatie

They continue to win with two parties now.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2015 07:41 PM (RrleI)

----------

Not really.
We're pissed off because we handed them a Win last November...and they are ignoring their promises now.

We need to do something, something news-worthy, that makes a statement of how pissed off we are.

Posted by: wheatie at March 02, 2015 07:46 PM (XIzXB)

185 "I think Mitt's advisors, ardent Democrats who were double-agents for the DNC, told Mitt he has it all sewn up and can take his foot off the throttle."

Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational ORCA!

Posted by: The Romney 2012 Brain Trust at March 02, 2015 07:46 PM (noWW6)

186 BTW, the first order of business of the new party? Jacking up taxes on the wealthiest 1% and on corporations.

I'm all for a third party, i voted libertarian this past election and i'll vote l again next election, but what's the point in advocating higher taxes?

Posted by: booger at March 02, 2015 07:47 PM (tzcDX)

187 Whoooo! My time has come!

Posted by: Pander Bear Party at March 02, 2015 07:47 PM (MYPM9)

188 "
It seems like we are living through the same history as the UK, prior to UKIP"


Or the PC in Canada. The right had to collapse and rebuild itself up there before they began winning again and getting legislation passed again.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 02, 2015 07:47 PM (vzN48)

189 Got really sick of hearing the shit about the politics of keeping this asshole as Speaker. Really? Screw your politics.

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 02, 2015 07:47 PM (A98Xu)

190 Posted by: wheatie at March 02, 2015 07:46 PM (XIzXB)

How about form a third party?

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2015 07:48 PM (Qpzqg)

191 "What freedoms has the GOP restored in the last thirty years?"

It really tells you something that when the universally loathed 55MPH national speed limit was finally rescinded, it was a Democratic president who signed the bill into law.

That after three straight terms of Republican control of the White House, in which they ignored the matter, and after a Republican having inflicted the horrid thing upon us all in the first place.

Party of small government. Snort.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 02, 2015 07:49 PM (noWW6)

192
JugEars isn't gonna watch Bibi's speech?

My ass, he isn't. He'll be GLUED to the TV, with his EO pen in hand to fuck Israel the moment Bibi even implies that Captain Wow is deficient in feck.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 02, 2015 07:49 PM (cSU3r)

193 We need to do something, something news-worthy, that makes a statement of how pissed off we are.


Posted by: wheatie at March 02, 2015 07:46 PM (XIzXB)


I know!! A Million person March!!! That will work...

Oh.... wait... TEA party a couple of years ago...

Never mind...

(really... there is nothing short of a Jeffersonian solution which will force Washington to cede any power to the rest of the country).

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 02, 2015 07:49 PM (qh617)

194 The question is moot anyway. We're already past the event horizon of socialist monetary collapse. I shall still plant and reap, help and hoard, because that's what I do, but the dollar is done. Hard times ahead people. 1930's hard.

Posted by: toby928(C) is #8 at March 02, 2015 07:50 PM (rwI+c)

195
Constitutional Benign Dictatorship Party, with explosive collar on said individual that goes bang when 80% of the population presses the reset button?

American Taxpayer Party with mandatory term limits for federal critters both elected and appointed?

Multistate Compacts Party with the slogans of Prove It, Make Me, and Because Fuck You Thats Why?

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at March 02, 2015 07:50 PM (j1tga)

196 Anyone else catch the photos today of the Islamic State guys gleefully rummaging through the huge supply depot which the "moderate Syrian opposition" just meekly surrendered to them?

When do we start throwing away the same stuff in Ukraine?
At least the contractors get paid. Full employment citizens.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 02, 2015 07:50 PM (W5DcG)

197 Sometimes you just have to trust the wisdom and judgement of your betters.

Posted by: "Cry Me A River" Boner at March 02, 2015 07:50 PM (Dwehj)

198 OK, I am a little confused. We are going to the mat over immigrate rules that a judge has ALREADY ruled illegal.



Remind me why?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 02, 2015 07:51 PM (0FSuD)

199 To paraphrase Breitbart once again:

"What kind of idiots can't sell more Liberty and Freedom with lower taxes?!?"

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 02, 2015 07:51 PM (16bOT)

200 Picsoritdidnthappen Party

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2015 07:51 PM (Qpzqg)

201 *waves arms furiously*

Posted by: Pander Bear Party at March 02, 2015 07:51 PM (MYPM9)

202 You would think Boner would be pissed a turtle chin for not using his available weapons, but no. As usual, they're all in on it He likes being the turd in the punchbowl.

*makes kissing face*

Posted by: Old Glazier at March 02, 2015 07:51 PM (u63X/)

203
Cuttin deals, getting blandishments.

The GOP was in on the IRS scandal. You Betcha.

You know I'm right.

Posted by: eleven at March 02, 2015 07:51 PM (MDgS8)

204 immigration not immigrate

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 02, 2015 07:51 PM (0FSuD)

205 I even look kinda like an Ewok!

Posted by: Pander Bear Party at March 02, 2015 07:51 PM (MYPM9)

206 You want to change things?

Run for office. GOP, Dem, Independent, or 3rd party, run.

If you can't run, volunteer for a candidate you can support.

We don't elect parties. We elect individuals. If the individual is worthy, vote for them. If they aren't, don't vote for them.

Posted by: The Electoral Hat at March 02, 2015 07:51 PM (0Ew3K)

207 "with explosive collar on said individual that goes bang when 80% of the population presses the reset button?"



Eighty-percent is too high. Barry could set the Constitution on fire on the Capitol steps and 52% would vote for him again.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 02, 2015 07:52 PM (vzN48)

208 Seriously how stoked do you think Pelosi and Reid are?

They still get pretty much everything they want and run the show while the GOP runs around like a Chinese Fire Drill and get the blame for everything.


If it wasn't so sad I'd be laughing my ass off.

Posted by: Kreplach at March 02, 2015 07:52 PM (W7O4a)

209 How about The Key Party? Sounds impressive and it'll attract the swinging voters.

Posted by: otho at March 02, 2015 07:53 PM (tBSrv)

210
"This is the finger I put in you."

Posted by: eleven at March 02, 2015 07:53 PM (MDgS8)

211 Posted by: The Electoral Hat at March 02, 2015 07:51 PM (0Ew3K)

Then you woke up.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2015 07:53 PM (Qpzqg)

212 The Middle Class Party?

We're not the one percenters? Scoop up votes from LIVs who wouldn't normally agree with us other than our label. And most of the 1%ers hate us and everything we stand for. Let's go a 90% marginal tax rate on all Hollywood-derived income.

Posted by: Furious George at March 02, 2015 07:53 PM (HpEBw)

213 NRO's re-worked site broke the link to VDH's December 18, 2012 piece on Conservative Populism, which I've linked here before. He was advocating tax hikes on the Jay-Z's and Clooneys, the 9/10 richest counties in the US that all voted overwhelmingly Obama, etc.. I'm not there yet, but pace Ayn Rand, I'm starting to feel the burn.

I'd prefer not to cater to "eat the rich" sentiment - we have enough Occupy fellow travelers false-flagging as libertarians and tea party supporters. The only way I see how to do that is to throw the third party weight to tax simplification rather than reduction, preferably a national sales tax, dergegulation and cutting spending.

I'm still wrestling with how to do populism sans middle-class lollipops like Mike Lee's social engineering middle-class pander plan.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 02, 2015 07:54 PM (QKIQb)

214 So, just keep that in mind while you call for a third party.

Idiocy.


Posted by: Df82 at March 02, 2015 07:36 PM (d6Wn7)


40% of the electorate self identifies as Independent...

That is more than EITHER of the two parties who rule this country.

Sorry, but the two party system is leaving a lot of people without significant representation.

and there is NO legal reason... nothing in the Constitution... that says we must have two parties.

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 02, 2015 07:54 PM (qh617)

215 Coopt something from the let's not too distant past.

The Vote From the Rooftops Party.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 02, 2015 07:54 PM (i6q+f)

216
Democrats got an assist from an unlikely source. The American Action Network, a political organization with links to the House GOP leadership, said it would spend more than $400,000 this week in advertising pressuring conservatives not to stand in the way of "critical security funding."




"Unlikely"? Naw -- not really.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 02, 2015 07:54 PM (kdS6q)

217 Miss me yet?

Posted by: Zombie Agusto Pinochet at March 02, 2015 07:54 PM (0Ew3K)

218 I wouldn't want to join a political party that would have me as a member.

(hat tip: Groucho)

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 07:54 PM (h6Mpm)

219 Why's everyone down on emigration? I'm all for emigration!

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at March 02, 2015 07:54 PM (MYPM9)

220 If it's going to happen, we should learn from successful examples.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_Party_of_Canada

Parties' merger...
http://tinyurl.com/4ffjzo

Posted by: andycanuck at March 02, 2015 07:55 PM (2KB+E)

221 Third party or the barricades. Either way, it's time. Sarah, lead us!

Posted by: joeclark77 at March 02, 2015 07:56 PM (8Lk2+)

222 198 OK, I am a little confused. We are going to the mat over immigrate rules that a judge has ALREADY ruled illegal.



Remind me why?
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 02, 2015 07:51 PM (0FSuD)



Why don't you pull your lips off Tillis's dick and listen and think for once.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 02, 2015 07:56 PM (z/Ubi)

223 As I keep saying, what incentive do these cretins have to alter the course of action if they're assured of your vote?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 02, 2015 07:56 PM (xSCb6)

224 219 Why's everyone down on emigration? I'm all for emigration!
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at March 02, 2015 07:54 PM (MYPM9)


It should be safe, legal, and rare.

Well, medium.

Okay, well-done. Yes, yes, it should be well done.

Done well.

I'm on board.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 07:56 PM (h6Mpm)

225 It's always a good time for a 3rd party on the right for the media. And the Republican 2016 Presidential field is deep - lots of candidates to lead the effort. There's certainly people ready to sign up (from the Ds too, who surely can't like how stupid The One has made them look). I got to believe it's the money men. They'll take half a bushel in the hand over their own mother. What else could it be?

Posted by: East Bay Jay at March 02, 2015 07:57 PM (7v8o1)

226 Just you wait until I really roll up my sleeves and dig into the 1st and 2nd Amendments!

Posted by: "Cry Me A River" Boner at March 02, 2015 07:58 PM (Dwehj)

227 The _____ Hat: "We don't elect parties. We elect individuals. If the individual is worthy, vote for them. If they aren't, don't vote for them."

In theory, yes. In practice, not.

When the gauntlet is run, it's almost always the Party that wins. And that's just phase one. Phase two is incumbency wherein it almost takes dynamite to remove the seat holder. It's the Party that assembles the blast doors. And phase three is the horsetrading/whipping that enables the illusion of independence of Party members.

Our Two-Party system is currently a failure. It's the D.C. Party versus the nation.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 02, 2015 07:58 PM (1CroS)

228 If we let them get away with this, we're no better than yellow-dogs

Posted by: MikeH at March 02, 2015 07:58 PM (/2E+M)

229 I avoided the Interwebs today.

*mild twitch*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 02, 2015 07:58 PM (FsuaD)

230 "Can we call it the Breitbart Party?"

-Posted by: Mama AJ at March 02, 2015 07:31 PM (0xTsz)


as long as we can keep the dbag chuck "i was breitbart's bestie" c. johnson out

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 02, 2015 07:58 PM (u8GsB)

231 Jeff Cooper Party;

"Ride, Shoot Straight, and Tell The Truth".

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 02, 2015 07:59 PM (S0bOl)

232 We have some chance of winning Library Board to Statehouse race... run, run like there's no tommorow for your children if you don't, and Do The Right Thing...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at March 02, 2015 07:59 PM (j1tga)

233 OT, February was the coldest month on record in Youngstown, OH. Beat out January of 1963.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 02, 2015 07:59 PM (2o6Wj)

234 So, just keep that in mind while you call for a third party.

Idiocy.


Posted by: Df82 at March 02, 2015 07:36 PM (d6Wn7)


The Davey Crocket Party....

Go read the letter he wrote about voting to spend... even on charity...

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 02, 2015 08:00 PM (qh617)

235 233 OT, February was the coldest month on record in Youngstown, OH. Beat out January of 1963.
Posted by: bergerbilder at March 02, 2015 07:59 PM (2o6Wj)

At least we had the Mustang to look forward to...

Posted by: January of 1963 at March 02, 2015 08:01 PM (/2E+M)

236 So glad to see all the new arrivals to my world.

Welcome.

I've been here since 2012 (or earlier in some ways).

All you had to do was listen to what the GOP "leadership" was saying. They're so arrogant (or stupid) that they telegraphed their every move. Both to the Democrats and Obama but to the Conservatives and the other misguided members of their party.

There's not one thing that happened that was a surprise here.

Be prepared for even more stuff like this over the next 23 months.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 02, 2015 08:01 PM (zRby/)

237
Done deal:

(CNN) House Speaker John Boehner is expected to move soon -- as early as Wednesday -- to bring up the clean bill to fund the Department of Homeland Security for a vote on the House floor, according to two House GOP sources familiar with leadership discussions.

The plan is for a Republican member to bring up the Senate bill as a "privileged resolution," which would mean it would get relatively quick vote on the House floor. Sources say leaders are still working out the timing, and who would offer the resolution to begin the process.

The House GOP conference will meet on Tuesday morning. Boehner's allies are expected to push rank-and-file members to vote for the clean DHS bill, making the argument that they support fighting back against President Barack Obama's executive actions on immigration, BUT it's time to move on from waging the battle on a critical spending bill that funds domestic security.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 02, 2015 08:01 PM (kdS6q)

238 What they fear is belittlement. What they need is an organized group that is constantly showing up at their events and throwing their absurd lies back in their lying shitweasel politician faces.

What they need...is the Pander Bear.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at March 02, 2015 08:01 PM (MYPM9)

239 I'm was not a drinker but this is why I've started drinking every day. I wait until 5pm...I swear.

Eff 'em...all of them....with a rusty poker.


Bottoms up!

Posted by: Tami at March 02, 2015 08:01 PM (v0/PR)

240 "Say hello to President Hillary,.... idiocy"

Idiocy is continuing to play a sucker's game after you realize the "house rules." The present system is a one-way ratchet to Euro style soft tyranny, fiscal ruin and the multi-culti salad bowl.

Being better than Hillary isn't good enough. Even if there's only a longshot chance to change politics as usual, that's better than guaranteed terminal decline. The GOP offers nothing but modestly time-deferred self-destruction. What the hell kind of choice is that?

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 02, 2015 08:01 PM (QKIQb)

241 I avoided the Interwebs today.

My old 'phone was acting up. Didn't get to read a lot of stuff. I guess that means it was a good day

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 02, 2015 08:01 PM (AVEe1)

242 "The Davey Crocket Party...."


A raccoon in every pot and a cap in every ass.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 02, 2015 08:01 PM (vzN48)

243 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Sense_Revolution

See you later on the ONT.

Posted by: andycanuck at March 02, 2015 08:02 PM (2KB+E)

244 "As I keep saying, what incentive do these cretins have to alter the course of action if they're assured of your vote?"
-Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 02, 2015 07:56 PM (xSCb6)

And to think... when Cantor hit the dustbin, I was thinking the apple-cart might have been upset enough for them to take their minds off their Phony-Baloney Jobs.

...nope.

If the LIV's don't care? They will be made to care. Maybe then, they'll think beyond "It Sure is a Shame", and "Someone Should Do Something".

It hasn't worked in Chicago or Detriot, so my hopes aren't exactly "buoyant".

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 02, 2015 08:02 PM (16bOT)

245 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 02, 2015 08:01 PM (kdS6q)

or to paraphrase...

We've done enough to ACT like we did something... time to move on... and surrender...

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 02, 2015 08:03 PM (qh617)

246 The Davey Crocket Party....



Go read the letter he wrote about voting to spend... even on charity...

Posted by: BB Wolf

---

I love that letter.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at March 02, 2015 08:03 PM (MYPM9)

247 Article V convention, roll the dice. At this point, how could it be worse?

Secession, if it actually is worse.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:03 PM (h6Mpm)

248 All I know is there had BETTER be truth to the "rumors" of a plot against Boehner's Speakership. Rep. Jordan denied it, but it's our only hope.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at March 02, 2015 08:04 PM (rldyO)

249 247 Article V convention, roll the dice. At this point, how could it be worse?

Secession, if it actually is worse.



Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:03 PM (h6Mpm)


Actually... don't amendments that come out of an Article 5 convention still have to be ratified by the States...

and there are a lot more Red states, than Blue States...

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 02, 2015 08:05 PM (qh617)

250 as long as we can keep the dbag chuck "i was breitbart's bestie" c. johnson out

Breitbart survived at least long enough to torch Jazzy's magical ponytail on Daedalus's radio-show. I was listening in. THAT was an epic show

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 02, 2015 08:05 PM (AVEe1)

251 I'm all Team Rick Perry. An AF Capt. who flew C-130s.

We don't need a nerdy little guy, who, no matter how intelligent, looks like someone Pooty-Poor could bitch-slap across a room.

I realize everyone here will hate me for that, but I don't give a flying f*ck.

(By the way, I'll settle for a Scott Walker.)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 02, 2015 08:05 PM (FsuaD)

252 OH and as to the mantra of how going third party means the Democrats for the next umpty ump years goes?

I say; "So?". We've tried everything else, why don't we give this one a go.

Everyone talks about what would happen but when was the last time anyone made the attempt under these sorts of conditions?

(re: the amount of voter anger and the amount of the elected's disdain of said voters.)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 02, 2015 08:05 PM (zRby/)

253 BTW, the first order of business of the new party? Jacking up taxes on the wealthiest 1% and on corporations.

I hear you what you're saying about the party, but don't become what you hate.

Posted by: AD at March 02, 2015 08:05 PM (pXB1a)

254 ****So, just keep that in mind while you call for a third party.


Idiocy.****


Please explain precisely how the Republicans in power, off and on since 2000, have differentiated themselves from their nominal opposition.


Adjust your silly-assed conclusion.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 02, 2015 08:05 PM (xSCb6)

255 If you look up "guy with a limp dick" in the dictionary you see Boehner's face.

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 02, 2015 08:05 PM (A98Xu)

256 That 1% hate needs to be adjusted a little bit. 1% is one in a hundred, quite of few of us are freedom loving morons. How about taxing the hell out of the 0.1%?? Those guys, can not be trusted.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 02, 2015 08:05 PM (zauWW)

257 It's the D.C. Party versus the nation.

----

Ohhh! Is this going to be on pay-per-view?

Posted by: LIV at March 02, 2015 08:06 PM (MYPM9)

258 248
All I know is there had BETTER be truth to the "rumors" of a plot
against Boehner's Speakership. Rep. Jordan denied it, but it's our only
hope.


Posted by: Aslan's Girl at March 02, 2015 08:04 PM (rldyO)

our only hope was not having him be elected speaker again...

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 02, 2015 08:06 PM (u8GsB)

259 Everyone talks about what would happen but when was the last time anyone made the attempt under these sorts of conditions?

(re: the amount of voter anger and the amount of the elected's disdain of said voters.)


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 02, 2015 08:05 PM (zRby/)


I believe it was.... the Whigs...

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 02, 2015 08:06 PM (qh617)

260 What's Ross Perot doing these days? I'm no Libertarian, not a No-Labels person. Maybe need an actual Tea Party with our own slate of candidates. The R party looks unreformable.

Posted by: waelse1 at March 02, 2015 08:06 PM (0wm3C)

261 The problem that the successful destruction of the GOP will not lead to the rise of a new party.

The Dems would gain power the would make FDR blush.

And NO, it wouldn't just be the same as we have now. Heck, it wouldn't even be the same as when Obamacare was passed.

It would be a unique opportunity to push for everything the Progressive monsters want.

Combined with a clear majority on SCOTUS, and private ownership of firearms will be made illegal.

"Free speech" will be re-defined along Progressive lines like in Europe or South Africa.

Nationalizations would occur left and right such that Clement Attlee would blush.

Heck, they'd have the power to push for an Article V convention with themselves in control, and give us a "Constitution" that would make South Africa's look reactionary.

And no, I don't think conservatives have enough pull amongst the people to win in an all or nothing showdown.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:07 PM (0Ew3K)

262 Please explain precisely how the Republicans in power, off and on since 2000, have differentiated themselves from their nominal opposition.


Adjust your silly-assed conclusion.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 02, 2015 08:05 PM (xSCb6)

The only power we have is who we vote for.... if we are unwilling to vote for what we want... our votes are worthless. If the people we elect lie to us don't vote for them

Posted by: MikeH at March 02, 2015 08:08 PM (/2E+M)

263
>>>>The House GOP conference will meet on Tuesday morning. Boehner's allies are expected to push rank-and-file members to vote for the clean DHS bill, making the argument that they support fighting back against President Barack Obama's executive actions on immigration, BUT it's time to move on from waging the battle on a critical spending bill that funds domestic security.
______


It's always time for them to move on and cave. Remember how the passing of the CRomnibus was supposed to be ok because it didn't include DHS. Never fight. Never stand their ground. It's always capitulate and cave. And there are pathetic little shits here that continue to try and justify it. They must be getting some of those earmarked deals from this corrupt stains that sit in Washington. Or employed by or related to.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 02, 2015 08:08 PM (z/Ubi)

264 >>Either way, it's time. Sarah, lead us!


Funniest shit I have read all day.

Posted by: Garrett at March 02, 2015 08:08 PM (66Sda)

265 Well Orange Crush set the entire stage for this with his ramming through of the Cromnibus and when he finally fold the calendar is wiped clear till right before the election so you know they aren't going to be doing jack shit so close to an election.


They are all literally pieces of shit.

I'm calling out the so-called conservatives as well.

It's chair throwing time fellas, it's time to man up.


Posted by: Kreplach at March 02, 2015 08:09 PM (W7O4a)

266 filbert: "Secession, if it actually is worse."

Prepare to be raided:

http://tinyurl.com/ote3zhd

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 02, 2015 08:10 PM (1CroS)

267 "Actually... don't amendments that come out of an Article 5 convention still have to be ratified by the States..."

Yes. The "you'll get something worse than the Constitution as is" crowd talks past the fact that if super-supermajorities of people are already Bolshies, your Plan B is the only option, and I'd rather we find that our sooner than later.

I'm for a third party and Article V. It's another longshot, but at least state legislatures have an institutional stake at getting their seat back at the federal bargaining table, foolishly discarded by popular election of Senators. That alone could get some strange bedfellow coalition building underway. Also consider the fact that Maker states numbers outweight Taker states' larger urban pops in the ratification equation.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 02, 2015 08:10 PM (QKIQb)

268 Well... my face just caved-in. Time to hang 'em up for the night.

G'Night, Ev'ry-Buddy!

*static*

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 02, 2015 08:10 PM (16bOT)

269 The Whigs formed as a Congressional opposition against Democrat Andrew Jackson.

They tended to die early as Presidents (no, seriously; both elected Whigs keeled over), although maybe Zach Taylor had promise.

And as opposition to a force of nature like James Polk... uh. What's the point of opposing that? If anything Polk should have added Baja and Sonora to the tab

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 02, 2015 08:10 PM (AVEe1)

270 Article V convention, roll the dice. At this point, how could it be worse?

Secession, if it actually is worse.



Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:03 PM (h6Mpm)


Actually... don't amendments that come out of an Article 5 convention still have to be ratified by the States...

and there are a lot more Red states, than Blue States...

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 02, 2015 08:05 PM (qh617)


They just mandate that ratification be done through conventions. If the new Amendments (or outright Constitutional revision) has LIV-bate "for the children" or other such idiocy, ratification will become a fait accompli.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:11 PM (0Ew3K)

271 And most of the 1%ers hate us and everything we stand for. Let's go a 90% marginal tax rate on all Hollywood-derived income.

Look, again I get the anger, but 1. A decent amount of the top 1% would actually agree with you if you don't demagogue this (1% = making ~350k a year, not Warren Buffett) and 2. this will work about as well as it has in every other instance it has been tried (I should not need to provide examples on this blog).

Posted by: AD at March 02, 2015 08:12 PM (pXB1a)

272 "Heck, they'd have the power to push for an Article V convention with
themselves in control, and give us a "Constitution" that would make
South Africa's look reactionary."

If we're that far gone already, see Plan B. You're not going to have an easy time convincing me that the party of McConnell Boehner is holding some kind of line for us. If they're fighting a desperate rear-guard action, they have a funny sense of tactics.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 02, 2015 08:13 PM (QKIQb)

273 @261


We're getting that anyway with the current configuration. That's the whole point.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 02, 2015 08:13 PM (xSCb6)

274 "We're getting that anyway with the current configuration. That's the whole point."

This.


Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 02, 2015 08:14 PM (QKIQb)

275 Hate to say it but what leverage do you have? Fear [of losing power] is the universal motivator. Unless you can demonstrate the power to primary them over and over again, the only option you have it to out-fund the GOPe funders.

Follow the money. Be the money.

Buying a politician is more effective than bitching about one.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at March 02, 2015 08:15 PM (X/+QT)

276 If we're that far gone already, see Plan B. You're not going to have an easy time convincing me that the party of McConnell Boehner is holding some kind of line for us. If they're fighting a desperate rear-guard action, they have a funny sense of tactics.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 02, 2015 08:13 PM (QKIQb)


Nope.

You build up a remnant and start your own long march through the institutions.

Reclaim it while there is still something to reclaim.

We surrender now, then what little we have will be gone for good.

America wasn't pulled out of some philosophers butt, but was due to a unique confluence of events that we can't even hope to build ex nihilo.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:15 PM (0Ew3K)

277 "Article V convention, roll the dice. "


Kasich has been stumping acros the country for this idea.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 02, 2015 08:15 PM (2o6Wj)

278 Why don't you pull your lips off Tillis's dick and listen and think for once.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 02, 2015 07:56 PM (z/Ubi)

Why don't you explain why we are fighting over a problem that a judge has solved.

You do know about Texas ruling right?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 02, 2015 08:16 PM (0FSuD)

279 The continual Republican Civil War has far too few officer casualties.

Posted by: DaveA at March 02, 2015 08:17 PM (DL2i+)

280 OK someone needs to call this meeting to order since Ace proposed an order of business. I just need to know which rules do we abide by Roberts rules of order or Marquess of Queensberry Rules. Pick yer poison....

Posted by: Chairman Regular Guy at March 02, 2015 08:17 PM (XYKz+)

281 "Article V convention, roll the dice. "

The problem we have here is not the Constitution. The problem is getting people to follow it. The same electorate that elected Barack Obama President might give you something less than what you hoped for in a drafting a new Constitution.

Posted by: AD at March 02, 2015 08:19 PM (pXB1a)

282 @261

No dice. I get democrats/commies/oligarchs no matter what I do.

You lost my vote and now you need two to make up for it. Good luck.

I'm fully aboard the Obama/Clinton bandwagon. They get away with everything. Murders, forgeries, treason, usurpation, etc. I'm going with winners next time.

Obama is free.
Jon Corsine is free.
Jeffrey Epstein is free.
Lois Lerner is free.

Judges and bureaucrats do what ever the f' they want. Illegals crossing the boarder. IRS threatening people while giving money to illegals. Gaysteppo destroying people.

NSA, FBI, CIA, SS, DOJ are all mafiosos for the oligarchy.








Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 02, 2015 08:19 PM (Vlmpk)

283 Texas judge has been asked by administration to stay the order

Judge has given the states who were suing until tomorrow to respond to the administration's request

So

Wouldn't just rely on the order

Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 02, 2015 08:19 PM (zOTsN)

284 Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:15 PM (0Ew3K)

Sorry Hat, been hearing that for too long.

Time stop voting like that and vote for what I want.

If that leads to the country sinking into a morass of illegal immigrants, a President usurping power and the Congress paralyzed by a bought and paid for Leadership then . . .

OH WAIT!! THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE NOW!!!11!!!!!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 02, 2015 08:19 PM (zRby/)

285 Nobody caved. Their are no such things as political parties. The elites have bought most of them. Certainly anyone who has been around for more than one term. They do what they are told and get to enjoy their perks.
When you have billions of dollars buying the week, greedy, immoral and narcissistic is less than the cost of their advertising budget. They recoup many times in being able to write the regulations.

Posted by: OSTB at March 02, 2015 08:19 PM (ShdUd)

286 Why don't you explain why we are fighting over a problem that a judge has solved.

You do know about Texas ruling right?


Posted by: Nip Sip at March 02, 2015 08:16 PM (0FSuD)


because the Texas ruling can easily be over turned by the next higher court?

Because the Texas ruling, like the Contempt of Court rulings on Drilling for oil in the Gulf, can be ignored?

Did you know the Obama admin just said that the families and spouses of H1B Visa holders are entitled to Green Cards themselves? That's easily 1 Million more legal immigrants right there (there are over 950K H1B Visa holders currently).

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 02, 2015 08:20 PM (qh617)

287 The same electorate that elected Barack Obama President might give you something less than what you hoped for in a drafting a new Constitution.
Posted by: AD at March 02, 2015 08:19 PM (pXB1a)

****

Except that Article V is about amending the Constitution, not drafting a new one.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 08:21 PM (XrHO0)

288 Can't we all just get along, bitches?

Posted by: John Boehner, Feeling His Sack at March 02, 2015 08:21 PM (lG2E3)

289 278 Why don't you pull your lips off Tillis's dick and listen and think for once.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 02, 2015 07:56 PM (z/Ubi)

Why don't you explain why we are fighting over a problem that a judge has solved.

You do know about Texas ruling right?
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 02, 2015 08:16 PM (0FSuD)


Because it hasn't been solved you dumbass. I get it your butt buddy Tillis has told you it's fixed so back on your knees and start sucking like you should. But it's not and you're either a sucker or complicit in the ruse.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 02, 2015 08:22 PM (z/Ubi)

290 Again judge has been asked to stay his order

It ain't over

More than one front would be wise

Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 02, 2015 08:22 PM (zOTsN)

291 The problem we have here is not the Constitution. The problem is getting people to follow it. The same electorate that elected Barack Obama President might give you something less than what you hoped for in a drafting a new Constitution.

Posted by: AD at March 02, 2015 08:19 PM (pXB1a)


Yup.... enough States have passed the Balanced Budget Amendment that it should have triggered THAT as a Constitutional Amendment already...

But there is no ENFORCMENT mechanism in place.... if the Feds don't want it...

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 02, 2015 08:23 PM (qh617)

292 It ain't over

I really fear it is over. The only question I have is whether Lord Barry makes the former illegals into US citizens by fiat before he leaves office.

Posted by: toby928(C) is #8 at March 02, 2015 08:24 PM (rwI+c)

293 Why vote for a group of people who regularly sell you and your interests down the river? Vote Libertarian, or write in, or, Hell, don't vote. The Reps are effectively colluding with the Dems, either through incompetence or by by design. Fuck 'em.

Posted by: Motorhead at March 02, 2015 08:24 PM (jc4t8)

294 Henceforth he should be referred to as Speaker Nancy by all.

Posted by: Garrett at March 02, 2015 08:24 PM (66Sda)

295 >>If you look up "guy with a limp dick" in the dictionary you see Boehner's face.

Whose dick is in it?

Posted by: Aviator at March 02, 2015 08:24 PM (sQzB6)

296 If you want to stay away from revolution and/or 3rd party there has to be a way to limit who votes. Right now there is no downside for voting for the free stuff.

It could be a simple test, no math needed just some questions about the constitution or where is England. Simple stuff.

Yeah, I know the supreme court said that was a no no but we voted as a country for this mess. No skin in the game no vote.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 02, 2015 08:24 PM (WNERA)

297 Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:15 PM (0Ew3K)

Sorry Hat, been hearing that for too long.

Time stop voting like that and vote for what I want.

If that leads to the country sinking into a morass of illegal immigrants, a President usurping power and the Congress paralyzed by a bought and paid for Leadership then . . .

OH WAIT!! THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE NOW!!!11!!!!!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 02, 2015 08:19 PM (zRby/)


And a quixotic charge doomed to failure does anything other than satisfy the need for an honorable suicide?

Show me a plan to not only undo all the bad rules and regulations we have now, and further not only undo the laws regulations which will by 10x worse (if we are lucky), but also to undo all the damage that the slow march through the institutions has done to the majority of people in this country.

Show that to me and give me at least the hope that it might succeed.

Anything else regarding "bold changes" is nothing more than talking out one's ass.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:24 PM (0Ew3K)

298 The problem that the successful destruction of the GOP will not lead to the rise of a new party.

The Dems would gain power the would make FDR blush.


You don't know that anymore than i know the opposite would be true, maybe they will, maybe they won't, only way to find out is try and it's far beyond time to try. Even the big idea of the so called "conservative' wing of the gop is tax credits to pander to identity groups, stolen straight from dems. R's got handed a huge landslide last election and they've done nothing but shit on the people who voted for them since then, they're well on their way to the European version of right wing and it's time to stop playing the game on their terms. Get libertarians or a 3rd party into the debates and on the ballots and let the chips fall where they may.

Posted by: booger at March 02, 2015 08:24 PM (tzcDX)

299 Except that Article V is about amending the Constitution, not drafting a new one.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 08:21 PM (XrHO0)


Please, and the Constitutional Convention was originally just about amending the Articles of Confederation.

If you call a Constitutional Convention today, you're going to get a convention that amends the Constitution into something unrecognizable. You know it. I know it. BTW, who do you expect the delegates to be?

Posted by: AD at March 02, 2015 08:24 PM (pXB1a)

300 >If you look up "guy with a limp dick" in the dictionary you see Boehner's face.

Whose dick is in it?
Posted by: Aviator at March 02, 2015 08:24 PM (sQzB6)

Nancy's.

Apparently her dick is bigger than his.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 02, 2015 08:25 PM (zRby/)

301 Welcome to the party, pal!

Posted by: John McClane at March 02, 2015 08:25 PM (cL79m)

302 The problem that the successful destruction of the GOP will not lead to the rise of a new party.

The Dems would gain power the would make FDR blush.

And NO, it wouldn't just be the same as we have now. Heck, it wouldn't even be the same as when Obamacare was passed.

It would be a unique opportunity to push for everything the Progressive monsters want.

Combined with a clear majority on SCOTUS, and private ownership of firearms will be made illegal.

"Free speech" will be re-defined along Progressive lines like in Europe or South Africa.

Nationalizations would occur left and right such that Clement Attlee would blush.

Heck, they'd have the power to push for an Article V convention with themselves in control, and give us a "Constitution" that would make South Africa's look reactionary.

And no, I don't think conservatives have enough pull amongst the people to win in an all or nothing showdown.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:07 PM (0Ew3K)


I agree with most of this. I am absolutely certain that the bad guys have A Plan for Article V convention (they have A Plan for anything that might threaten their wet power dreams). That being said, I'm still on board w/ Art. V, because things can't get any worse as far as gov't being unaccountable and completely out of control. It sure as shit ain't getting changed via the voting booth.

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at March 02, 2015 08:25 PM (7RXcs)

303 It's foolish to have only one Avenue of attack

Remember how the courts would save us from obamacare?

Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 02, 2015 08:26 PM (zOTsN)

304 That's the funniest shit I've ever heard, we're to rely on a Texas judge to do the job that is the rightful responsibility of our elected representatives.

Clowns', we're surrounded by clowns.

Posted by: Kreplach at March 02, 2015 08:26 PM (W7O4a)

305 They never give up. And they use every tool they can find

Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 02, 2015 08:27 PM (zOTsN)

306 The time for a third party is now upon us.

The GOP is a party of sh*t and shills. It's a fake opposition. We get nothing by being with it. They get power and tax cuts for their corrupt buddies.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 02, 2015 08:27 PM (8DOFB)

307 Except that Article V is about amending the Constitution, not drafting a new one.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 08:21 PM (XrHO0)


And, to this day, every amendment has started in Congress. This gets around congress and sends proposed amendments directly to the states.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 02, 2015 08:27 PM (2o6Wj)

308 Pushing Rope : the John Boenher Story (2015)

Posted by: Garrett at March 02, 2015 08:27 PM (66Sda)

309 Had a long post but got bored, so let me summarize. Many of us are whining about a "new party". Well, what does that mean? New in what way?

1) New donors?
2) New politicians?
3) New ideas?
4) New voters?
5) All of the above!

See, you have to replace the money that'll be lost when they GOPe funders go to the Dems. And you can't get the same front-men/women back...they won't change their behavior. And ideas? Big-tent/small-tent/my-tent fight again.

And worst of all, this "new party" means getting new voters! The current batch is putting into place the politicians and ideas you don't agree with. So...gonna round up some LIVs for our new party? Or find some libertarians not too busy counting silver dimes to come out and vote? (I keed). Dump the fiscons/socons/rinos/whatever?

This "new party" is good on the interwebs, but what's the *critical mass* of new donors, politicians (I'm not a witch), ideas, and voters (herp derp) that will get us there?

Posted by: Tonic Dog at March 02, 2015 08:28 PM (X/+QT)

310 The same electorate that elected Barack Obama President might give you something less than what you hoped for in a drafting a new Constitution.
Posted by: AD at March 02, 2015 08:19 PM (pXB1a)

****

Except that Article V is about amending the Constitution, not drafting a new one.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 08:21 PM (XrHO0)


The Constitutional Convention of 1787 was all about amending the Article of Confederation, not drafting a new one.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:28 PM (0Ew3K)

311
Money is the real problem

Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 02, 2015 08:28 PM (zOTsN)

312
277 "Article V convention, roll the dice. "


Kasich has been stumping acros the country for this idea.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 02, 2015 08:15 PM (2o6Wj

Is this what you are looking for ?http://tinyurl.com/n3xfrnr

Posted by: Regular Guy at March 02, 2015 08:29 PM (XYKz+)

313 303
Remember how the courts would save us from obamacare?

Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 02, 2015 08:26 PM (zOTsN)



And "campaign finance reform".

Posted by: rickl at March 02, 2015 08:29 PM (sdi6R)

314 Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:24 PM (0Ew3K)

And the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting the result to be different.

Stop with the "let's keep beating our heads against the wall rhetoric and show me where doing so has worked.

Once a system has been coopted or coerced, playing within the rules is pointless.

If you're opponent is cheating then you must do something outside the rules to beat them.

Sometimes you have to do things that appear hopeless because to continue acting "rationally" just doesn't appeal anymore.

You still have hope. I've watched this crap for 50 years.

BASTA!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 02, 2015 08:29 PM (zRby/)

315 The GOP wants to reduce or even eliminate the corporate income tax (applies only to large "C" Corporations). Well, OK ,insofar as profits are retained and used to invest in the business, sure we can lower the tax to zero and I'd be fine with that. It would be a huge job builder and encourage these giant multi-nationals to bring their profits home to America post-haste.

But that combines with a big increase in the top tax rate AND (ta-da!) all amounts paid employees have to be W-2 income (everything- options, perks, healthcare reimbursement, deferred income, bonuses, equity awards, etc etc) from now on and the amounts paid to the top 10% of the company aren't deductible for tax purposes by the corporation any longer. Why should I subsidize those incomes? Salaries and benefits in my own Sub-S corporation paid to owners are not deductible so why should theirs be? Fuck 'em.

If executives run these businesses for their own benefit (and not the owners), as it appears, tax the bastards.

Posted by: MTF, Fan of the Crusades at March 02, 2015 08:29 PM (FCsIb)

316 No Constitutional Convention please. They don't follow the one we have now.
If they rewrite it their will be No Bill of Rights at all.
While it is bad now if they get to rewrite it the result will be a cross between the wost of Pagan Rome and Nazi Germany. Any God fearing man, women, or child will be at best made into slave labor. After that any others who oppose their dictatorship.

Posted by: OSTB at March 02, 2015 08:29 PM (ShdUd)

317 Re: Article V convention.

Plan B is for the rump sane states to all say "fuck it, screw you guys, we're going home" and join The United States Of Texas. (The sane states are, for the most part, geographically contiguous.)

Call the socialist fuckers' bluff.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:30 PM (h6Mpm)

318 It is called an article 5 convention because it is the Constitution. Right there I've read it.

Yes still need 3/4 of the states and that will be a problem but the libs will have a difficult time getting their amendments passed too. Frankly I think the tipping point was before obama.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 02, 2015 08:30 PM (WNERA)

319 The Constitutional Convention of 1787 was all about amending the Article of Confederation, not drafting a new one.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:28 PM (0Ew3K)


History is not often taught, or taught accurately, in schools today.

Forgive them, they know not what they are ignorant of.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:31 PM (h6Mpm)

320 They just mandate that ratification be done through conventions. If the new Amendments (or outright Constitutional revision) has LIV-bate "for the children" or other such idiocy, ratification will become a fait accompli.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:11 PM (0Ew3K)


If that truly is the case, better we know now and can start the shooting war.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 02, 2015 08:32 PM (10ydV)

321 Remember what they did to the Confederate States of America.
Drone hunting people is they current way they work. Robot soldiers are next up to bat. You can't talk to a drone or a robot.

Posted by: OSTB at March 02, 2015 08:32 PM (ShdUd)

322 @313

Also the recent FCC internet takeover was slapped down twice before by the courts.

And yet they have muscled through with another bite at the apple.

Maybe the 3rd times a charm.


THEY NEVER STOP!

Posted by: Kreplach at March 02, 2015 08:32 PM (W7O4a)

323 No


The SJW will stuff it full of affirmative rights until it looks like the crazy shit out of South american banana republics. Until it's meaningless. Remember the JEF complained about it and how he would like to change the constitution

Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 02, 2015 08:32 PM (zOTsN)

324 Drone hunting people is they current way they work. Robot soldiers are next up to bat. You can't talk to a drone or a robot.
Posted by: OSTB at March 02, 2015 08:32 PM (ShdUd)

EMP

Posted by: MikeH at March 02, 2015 08:33 PM (/2E+M)

325 That being said, I'm still on board w/ Art. V, because things can't get any worse as far as gov't being unaccountable and completely out of control. It sure as shit ain't getting changed via the voting booth.

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at March 02, 2015 08:25 PM (7RXcs)


That is a Pollyanna statement of epic proportions.

Of course it could get worse. It could get much, much worse.

It's just that what we had was to superlative in the history of the world, that the true hell that has been the norm for the vast majority of human existence seems unpossible... and that doesn't even take into account that we have Progressive ideologues who are fighting for creating a hell that world has hitherto never known.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:33 PM (0Ew3K)

326 The SJW will stuff it full of affirmative rights until it looks like the crazy shit out of South american banana republics. Until it's meaningless. Remember the JEF complained about it and how he would like to change the constitution
Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 02, 2015 08:32 PM (zOTsN)


In which case Plan B is the United States of Texas.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:34 PM (h6Mpm)

327 basta

Italy is trying this. Grillo's Five Stars party is not doing well, but then, Italy is in deep doo doo.

Posted by: Edna at March 02, 2015 08:35 PM (g/zj9)

328 Call the socialist fuckers' bluff.



Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:30 PM (h6Mpm)

Texas is about 50% lib.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 02, 2015 08:36 PM (R8hU8)

329 The SJW will stuff it full of affirmative rights until it looks like the crazy shit out of South american banana republics. Until it's meaningless. Remember the JEF complained about it and how he would like to change the constitution
Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 02, 2015 08:32 PM (zOTsN)


And . . . "red" states are a majority of the states.

How, pray tell, will the "crazy shit" be stuffed into the amendments.

(Looks back at the top post of the thread.)

Oh.

Shit.

We're fucked.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:36 PM (h6Mpm)

330 I know this isn't remotely sufficient--but as a realistic place to start--how about we start demanding that any representatives we send to Congress have to spend most of their time outside of D.C.?

Posted by: AD at March 02, 2015 08:36 PM (pXB1a)

331 And, to this day, every amendment has started in Congress. This gets around congress and sends proposed amendments directly to the states.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 02, 2015 08:27 PM (2o6Wj)


Actually, every amendment out of Congress has gone directly to the states. Whether it is Congress or a Convention that proposes the amendments, they are sent directly to the states.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:36 PM (0Ew3K)

332 Texas is about 50% lib.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 02, 2015 08:36 PM (R8hU


Actually, no.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:36 PM (h6Mpm)

333 I know this isn't remotely sufficient--but as a realistic place to start--how about we start demanding that any representatives we send to Congress have to spend most of their time outside of D.C.?
Posted by: AD at March 02, 2015 08:36 PM (pXB1a)


Why do you want to kill baby kittens?

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:38 PM (h6Mpm)

334 Just keep voting. Just keep voting. Just keep voting, voting, voting. What do we do? We vote, vote. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ho. I love to vote. When you want to vote, you want to vote. Two more election cycles and they'll fix everything. Just keep voting. Just keep voting.

Posted by: The Average Republican Voter a/k/a Dory from Finding Nemo at March 02, 2015 08:38 PM (amQXf)

335 324 EMP

I would genuinely welcome knowledge on how some like me a average citizen can make an EMP. I wouldn't mind being able to have that available in my toolbox.

Posted by: OSTB at March 02, 2015 08:38 PM (ShdUd)

336 I'm the Pollyanna? On the path we are currently on, what stops the Progressives from creating the hell on earth that they so desire?

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at March 02, 2015 08:38 PM (7RXcs)

337 And, to this day, every amendment has started in Congress. This gets around congress and sends proposed amendments directly to the states.
Posted by: bergerbilder at March 02, 2015 08:27 PM (2o6Wj)

****

Yes, and this is why I like it. We bitch about the Leftists going back a hundred or more years to find justifications for their ideas. Then here we are, arguing about the last Con Convention being about the Confederate Constitution. Good grief.

I have to assume that the Article V was included by the Founders as a last resort measure. Is it not reasonable to assume we are kinda there right now?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 08:38 PM (XrHO0)

338 The SJW will stuff it full of affirmative rights until it looks like the crazy shit out of South american banana republics. Until it's meaningless. Remember the JEF complained about it and how he would like to change the constitution
Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at March 02, 2015 08:32 PM (zOTsN)

In which case Plan B is the Gulag located in the former United States of Texas.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:34 PM (h6Mpm)


FIFY

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:38 PM (0Ew3K)

339 They are not "progressive," unless you think the jackboot and its slut retinue represents progress.

Creativity and the rule of law vs. central planning and the rule of force.

Posted by: Edna at March 02, 2015 08:38 PM (g/zj9)

340 That is a Pollyanna statement of epic proportions.

Of course it could get worse. It could get much, much worse.


And let's just say, hypothetically, it didn't get worse at a new Convention. The problem right now is people ignoring the Constitution. So if we create some new, improved Constitution that they also ignore--how's that going to solve anything?

Posted by: AD at March 02, 2015 08:39 PM (pXB1a)

341 I would genuinely welcome knowledge on how some like me a average citizen can make an EMP. I wouldn't mind being able to have that available in my toolbox.
Posted by: OSTB at March 02, 2015 08:38 PM (ShdUd)


Well, first, make a nuclear weapon . . .

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:39 PM (h6Mpm)

342 Are you kidding me? Stay the course mates. We have made great progress since the Bush backroom prescription deal. That's when this all started. We have our own caucus now . You know that right?
http://tinyurl.com/n5sexmq

Posted by: Regular Guy at March 02, 2015 08:39 PM (XYKz+)

343 Since I got converted to royalism in 2009ish, talk of Article Vee is academic / amusing to me. But I am also a well-documented hypocrite, so I did vote in 2010 and 2014.

I voted for Gardner this last time. He repaid me by not showing up to votes. I also voted for Beauprez. Hickenlooper cooked the books on THAT one. I may as well have voted for myself.

Next election? I need a very GOOD reason to work within this system.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 02, 2015 08:39 PM (AVEe1)

344 Anyone got Jane D'oh's owl cam link handy? I should have bookmarked it.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at March 02, 2015 08:39 PM (+FyX1)

345 Well, first, make a nuclear weapon . . .
Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:39 PM (h6Mpm)



There are other ways just not as powerful.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 02, 2015 08:39 PM (WNERA)

346 335 324 EMP

I would genuinely welcome knowledge on how some like me a average citizen can make an EMP. I wouldn't mind being able to have that available in my toolbox.
Posted by: OSTB at March 02, 2015 08:38 PM (ShdUd)

http://www.wikihow.com/Build-an-EMP-Generator

Posted by: MikeH at March 02, 2015 08:40 PM (/2E+M)

347 In which case Plan B is the Gulag located in the former United States of Texas.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:34 PM (h6Mpm)


FIFY
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:38 PM (0Ew3K)[/i[

*shrug*

I've commenced to drinkin'.

A couple more drinks and I'll have all the world's problems solved.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:40 PM (h6Mpm)

348
Is this what you are looking for ?http://tinyurl.com/n3xfrnr
Posted by: Regular Guy at March 02, 2015 08:29 PM (XYKz+)


No, but this is what I was referring to:

Http://www.freedomworks.org/content/governor-kasich-seeks-article-v-convention

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 02, 2015 08:40 PM (2o6Wj)

349 I told you guys this would happen.

After the Republicans mostly turned out for McRomneycare the Republican establishment decided we would take anything they wished to dish out.

And here we are.

Had we supported the conservative party guy in significant numbers this would NOT be happening right now...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2015 08:40 PM (c3JDs)

350

Did I close my tag? Or did Pixy do it for me?

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:40 PM (h6Mpm)

351 what ya drinkin fil

Posted by: Edna at March 02, 2015 08:41 PM (g/zj9)

352 "If we started mailing turds to Boehner's office...we'd probably get arrested, for something."

Illegal. $1,000 fine OR 20 years in prison.

"Maybe we could mail pictures of turds?"

Also illegal. $1,000 fine AND 20 years in prison.

Posted by: despair at March 02, 2015 08:41 PM (J6suc)

353 They are not "progressive," unless you think the jackboot and its slut retinue represents progress.

Creativity and the rule of law vs. central planning and the rule of force.
Posted by: Edna at March 02, 2015 08:38 PM (g/zj9)


Oh, they're most definitely "progressive." They're just not very progressive. They're positively medieval, in fact.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:41 PM (h6Mpm)

354 "Progressive ideologues who are fighting for creating a hell that world has hitherto never known."

Well then, it's a good thing the orange drunk man is stopping him. Oh wait, he's not.

There is no opposition party. There is only the Uniparty - the Oligarchy and kabuki theater.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 02, 2015 08:42 PM (Vlmpk)

355

Calling an Article V Convention is an exceedingly bad idea.

Currently, we have a constitution that is, according to most people, a very good one.

The sole problem with it is enforcement ... apparently, various power groups seem able to nullify certain amendments (#2) while using others as a battering ram to get their way (where is the word "expression", as in "freedom of expression". in the Constitution?).

The last thing we need is to monkey around with the current document ... we will likely see another "Prohibition" amendment, or maybe a repeal of the 1st, 3rd, 5th or 6th amendments, only this time it will be far more damaging.

We simply can't trust the people who would attend the Convention.

The ballot box is still the quickest solution. If no suitable candidates can be found. no honest citizens, then monkeying with the Constitution is worse than pointless ... at least the current document says what it says, and maybe after enough political and economic pain, honest citizens will step up and run ... and hopefully get elected.

Posted by: Arbalest at March 02, 2015 08:42 PM (FlRtG)

356 Actually, no.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:36 PM (h6Mpm)

You are right I was thinking of Houston.
State wide libs are about 43%
What do we do with them?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 02, 2015 08:43 PM (R8hU8)

357 19 Time to put that (T) next to your name if you want to get keep my vote.

Turd Party?

Posted by: despair at March 02, 2015 08:43 PM (J6suc)

358 352 "If we started mailing turds to Boehner's office...we'd probably get arrested, for something."

Illegal. $1,000 fine OR 20 years in prison.

"Maybe we could mail pictures of turds?"

Also illegal. $1,000 fine AND 20 years in prison.
Posted by: despair at March 02, 2015 08:41 PM (J6suc)

What about brownies shaped like turds?

Posted by: MikeH at March 02, 2015 08:43 PM (/2E+M)

359 We are stronger now in state legislatures than at any time in modern history. The SJW crowd couldn't get a lunch bill approved by the states, but we are in a position to get a great deal approved. Go to a convention.

Posted by: MTF, Fan of the Crusades at March 02, 2015 08:43 PM (FCsIb)

360 @92: "Face reality. Conservatives are a minority of the minority party. Or we are utterly incompetent at electing people."

Um, it ain't an either/or thing. It's a both thing.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 02, 2015 08:43 PM (amQXf)

361 what ya drinkin fil
Posted by: Edna at March 02, 2015 08:41 PM (g/zj9)


Morgan and Coke Zero. Will be switching to a manhattan shortly. A couple of those and I truly won't give a rat's patooie. And, bonus, will no longer be able to type.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:43 PM (h6Mpm)

362 I hadn't seen this before. Leonard Nimoy's last tweet:

https://tinyurl.com/pva3epa

Posted by: rickl at March 02, 2015 08:44 PM (sdi6R)

363 Maybe we could mail pictures of turds?"

Also illegal. $1,000 fine AND 20 years in prison.
Posted by: despair at March 02, 2015 08:41 PM (J6suc)
==========================

It's illegal to mail photos to Congress?

Really?

Posted by: MTF, Fan of the Crusades at March 02, 2015 08:44 PM (FCsIb)

364 346

Thank You! Bookmarked page and will look into the info.

Posted by: OSTB at March 02, 2015 08:44 PM (ShdUd)

365 I told you guys this would happen.

After the Republicans mostly turned out for McRomneycare the Republican establishment decided we would take anything they wished to dish out.

And here we are.

Had we supported the conservative party guy in significant numbers this would NOT be happening right now...
Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2015 08:40 PM (c3JDs)

*****

Yeah, we turned out in 2000-2006. That worked out just fcuking swell for our Rights, limited Govt. and spending reductions, didn't it? Take your I toldyaso and GFY.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 08:45 PM (cIoI4)

366 Sign me up.

Posted by: thirteen28 at March 02, 2015 08:45 PM (Dm9G5)

367 "Maybe we could mail pictures of turds?"

Also illegal. $1,000 fine AND 20 years in prison.


Kitty litter porn?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 02, 2015 08:45 PM (W5DcG)

368 What do we do with them?
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 02, 2015 08:43 PM (R8hU


Very nice rooms with views in tropical locations, with plenty of libations, a variety of musical choices, and the deviant sexual behavior of their choice?

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:45 PM (h6Mpm)

369 off old sock

no Con convention, we'd end up like fucking East Germany

Posted by: Feh at March 02, 2015 08:45 PM (g/zj9)

370 voting for the one with the "r" by their name just so we could "get the numbers" didn't work.....again.....but let's try it again next time!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 02, 2015 08:45 PM (u8GsB)

371 "Show me a plan to not only undo all the bad rules and regulations we
have now, and further not only undo the laws regulations which will by
10x worse (if we are lucky), but also to undo all the damage that the
slow march through the institutions has done to the majority of people
in this country.
"

So our choices are either a) a comprehensive plan to address all the wrongs of the last century plus of the Prog experiment or b) accept the shit sandwich we have now.

How is that different from "comprehensive immigration reform" or "addressing the root causes"? Why bother locking your doors when someone can break in through the window?

I'd rather take the chance of talking out my ass than spend the rest of my days covering it and making excuses for why my country's still sliding into Shitsville as I pat myself on the back for my sober realism.


Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 02, 2015 08:46 PM (QKIQb)

372 Call the socialist fuckers' bluff.



Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:30 PM (h6Mpm)

Very interesting...Have you seen this? http://tinyurl.com/nbp8trr

Posted by: Regular Guy at March 02, 2015 08:46 PM (XYKz+)

373 voting for the one with the "r" by their name just so we could "get the numbers" didn't work.....again.....but let's try it again next time!!!
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 02, 2015 08:45 PM (u8GsB)


If at first you don't succeed, bend over, bend over again!

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:46 PM (h6Mpm)

374 Because it hasn't been solved you dumbass. I get it
your butt buddy Tillis has told you it's fixed so back on your knees and
start sucking like you should. But it's not and you're either a sucker
or complicit in the ruse.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 02, 2015 08:22 PM (z/Ubi)

So let me get this straight. Since the law/Executive order can not be enforced, you still believe the problem is not solved?
Perhaps, instead of calling me names, you could try to explain why you believe the problem still exist. The stay will not be over turned and it prevents Obama from carrying out his EO for the rest of his term. He does not have enough time to get it overturned.

So let's piss away our advantage here and looked idiots for what again?
Help me out here. PS What is with this Tillis shit, he doesn't support amnesty, despite what the stock fraud guy says. Hello? Try again.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 02, 2015 08:46 PM (0FSuD)

375 no Con convention, we'd end up like fucking East Germany


At a quicker pace than now.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 02, 2015 08:47 PM (W5DcG)

376 352 "If we started mailing turds to Boehner's office...we'd probably get arrested, for something."

Just shit in his office and tell him you're a Democrat EPA worker.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 02, 2015 08:47 PM (Vlmpk)

377 Josh Earnest was answering questions about Preznint Barky's desire for a unilateral, executive order to increase corporate tax to fund roses and britches.

I wonder what the human Cheeto won't do about that.

Posted by: Hank at March 02, 2015 08:47 PM (S1NkT)

378 Friends. Fight with me!

Posted by: John McCain at March 02, 2015 08:48 PM (l3vZN)

379
Marc Thiessen: Don't Fire Boehner:

http://tinyurl.com/kh6dde3

Posted by: Frankly at March 02, 2015 08:48 PM (f+fEr)

380 I'm the Pollyanna? On the path we are currently on, what stops the Progressives from creating the hell on earth that they so desire?

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at March 02, 2015 08:38 PM (7RXcs)


Our 2nd Amendment rights have actually been expanding, as tenuous as that may be. But when it comes to the 2nd Amendment, we are winning.

Giving the Dems total control would mean that gets reversed and the 2nd Amendment being declares as not applying to individuals.

With that it's a short jump to restricting more and more gun rights until a total ban is achieved.

The actions taken in all other spheres will be far more rapid.

At least by fighting we are at least delaying the march of the Progressives. If if the GOP is just a speed bump, it gives people the chance to set-up remnants and perhaps find someone with an idea of actually reversing things.

It is Pollyannish to think that if we throw loaded dice we'll win. We are that far gone, but even if there is but a sliver of that American essence left it is worth preserving... certainly not to toss aside in a quixotic gamble.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:49 PM (0Ew3K)

381 Very interesting...Have you seen this? http://tinyurl.com/nbp8trr
Posted by: Regular Guy at March 02, 2015 08:46 PM (XYKz+)


Yah.

Looks like some of the people there were being exceptionally stupid.

I don't, for instance, anticipate filing any bogus documents with any court, or any other ridiculous nonsense that these pinheads did.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:49 PM (h6Mpm)

382 @340: " So if we create some new, improved Constitution that they also ignore--how's that going to solve anything?"

Try putting some teeth in the new one. The big problem with the current one is that there really isn't an "or else" clause for not following it.

Forfeiture of all assets, summary execution, and gibbeting on the Mall is a good start. Hell, make it fun - amend the 8th Amendment to specifically exclude any member of the government from its protection. It's not like they haven't earned it.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 02, 2015 08:49 PM (amQXf)

383 378 Friends. Fight with me!

Posted by: John McCain at March 02, 2015 08:48 PM (l3vZN)
=============================

Fighting with you sounds good. But I'd much rather honor your service as you retire from the Senate, and go quietly off into the sunset. Quietly. Saying nothing.

Posted by: MTF, Fan of the Crusades at March 02, 2015 08:50 PM (FCsIb)

384 I suggested this before, and as an immediate response, I suggest that the conservatives in congress let Boehner know that they will work to pass "living wage" legislation that will specifically include amnestied illegals if Boehner goes forward with this.

The only way Boehner is going to stop is if the price to has masters at the CoC is higher then they are willing to pay...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2015 08:50 PM (c3JDs)

385
355-

Would you like to see a balanced budget amendment? It would never get through congress. Art vee around congress. Anything coming out of an art vee convention still needs to be ratified by 75% of state legislatures.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 02, 2015 08:50 PM (2o6Wj)

386 Looks like some of the people there were being exceptionally stupid.

2 out of the 60 that had their phone and computers seized and their persons photographed and fingerprinted.

Posted by: toby928(C) is #8 at March 02, 2015 08:51 PM (rwI+c)

387 @344

Found it: http://landingsbirdcam.com/

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at March 02, 2015 08:52 PM (+FyX1)

388 Having a "Plain English" rule would help. Any law or regulation that cannot be understood by a reasonably intelligent human (IQ 100) is null and void. Yes, that includes the tax code.

Posted by: HAL at March 02, 2015 08:52 PM (OmBeX)

389 Ace, I hate the President as much as you. BUT (and I say this as someone who knows this is vote buyinf en mass) I think we all have just assumed immigration law demands Obama deport all illegal aliens.

Instead, when I read thro the Immigration and Naturalization law( to win a debate) I could not find language that states the President must deport illegals (unless they are criminals)

I see the law grants him the power to do so...but not the duty or obligation. So I think we all need to stop treating this as illegal or unconstitutional. We need to start describing it as the vote grab it is.

Posted by: Stone at March 02, 2015 08:52 PM (hgeD3)

390 @380: "Our 2nd Amendment rights have actually been expanding, as tenuous as
that may be. But when it comes to the 2nd Amendment, we are winning."

Or, you know, not so much...


Posted by: Judge Kimberly Mueller, unanimously confimred by US Senate, 2010 at March 02, 2015 08:54 PM (amQXf)

391 We are stronger now in state legislatures than at any time in modern history. The SJW crowd couldn't get a lunch bill approved by the states, but we are in a position to get a great deal approved. Go to a convention.

Posted by: MTF, Fan of the Crusades at March 02, 2015 08:43 PM (FCsIb)


You assume that the state Legislatures would have a say in ratification...

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:55 PM (0Ew3K)

392 "Currently, we have a constitution that is, according to most people, a very good one.
The sole problem with it is enforcement ... apparently, various
power groups seem able to nullify certain amendments (#2) while using
others as a battering ram to get their way (where is the word
"expression", as in "freedom of expression". in the Constitution?)."

I've said before that changing the language of the document isn't as important as changing the attitudes of the people. But part of the reason we seem to think conservatives are such a "minority of the minority party" are the numbers who've given up participating in the process anymore.

You can't build a movement or change public opinion by playing chess with wonky policy initiatives and pants-creased incrementalism. People need to see guts and emotion, to be inspired as well. Politics is more poker than chess. The bloodless patrician sophisticates of the Rockefeller wing won't survive without the emotion and the commitment of the "loony hobbit base."

Boehner et al don't seem to have the lever to move people to care about what that document really says, or get them to spend time, effort or otherwise stick their necks out for it. Ask yourself why that is before you think standing pat is a viable option. As a lot of us are saying here, what about the last 25+ years makes you think the GOP's future behavior get any better?

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 02, 2015 08:55 PM (QKIQb)

393 I could not find language that states the President must deport illegals (unless they are criminals)
***
You are saying if someone broke the law to illegally come and stay here they aren't actually criminals?

Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2015 08:55 PM (c3JDs)

394 We got our freedom by shooting tax collectors (burrocrats), and tar-and-feathering traitors (our neighbors with different cultural values).

Secession is not an answer, The WHOLE country belongs to Americans; businessmen, soldiers, and engineers, people that WORK and contribute. We built the country, it is ours...it does not belong to welfare parasites and upper middle class government-check leeches. They have not contributed one goddamn thing to this country.

What happens when the rule of law is sabotaged? You either get enslaved, or you enslave those that would enslave you. There is not a middle ground in that situation. Rule of law can not be re-established while the corrupt have power.


Posted by: Grad School Fool at March 02, 2015 08:55 PM (A9KzJ)

395 Try putting some teeth in the new one. The big problem with the current one is that there really isn't an "or else" clause for not following it.

I disagree. There's teeth in the current one. However, the judiciary can decide one part is overridden by another part. The enforcement arm, the President, can also just decide "f'k it, I'm doing [blank]." How would a new constitution solve that?

Posted by: AD at March 02, 2015 08:55 PM (pXB1a)

396 Freedom Caucus rocks! Did anyone catch Peter King's R NY reaction to almost shutting down the DHS the other day? LOL He was scared shitless.....Meanwhile Oblowme is importing his voting block/army to invade the country. 100,000 illegals have issued DL's in Cali so far. prolly a bunch of jihadi's thrown in there as well. This shit is getting to close for comfort. T
he border patrol reported 450 or so middle eastern detainees for 2014....

Posted by: Regular Guy at March 02, 2015 08:56 PM (XYKz+)

397 You gonna be the husband or you gonna be a CLEAN wife?

Posted by: Cellie at March 02, 2015 08:56 PM (5PvRS)

398 Stop being afraid of Democrats.

The GOP needs you to be so afraid of Democrats that you will eat whatever shit sandwich the GOP puts in front of you.

Read the cautionary comments here and one word emerges from all of them: fear.

Stop being afraid.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2015 08:56 PM (MQEz6)

399 And, to this day, every amendment has started in Congress. This gets around congress and sends proposed amendments directly to the states.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 02, 2015 08:27 PM (2o6Wj)


Actually, every amendment out of Congress has gone directly to the states. Whether it is Congress or a Convention that proposes the amendments, they are sent directly to the states.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:36 PM (0Ew3K)


?????

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 02, 2015 08:56 PM (2o6Wj)

400 I no longer care about victory...just retribution.

They chose to fight in a burning house. I have no compunctions about feeding them to the inferno.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, by the Pale Moon light at March 02, 2015 08:56 PM (m9V0o)

401 We have no reason to fear an Art5 convention. It can't be used as a tool for radical change - 75% of the States must ratify anything that comes out. Washington has to fear it, as it will be a tool for state power. It is controlled by the legislatures, they define how it is called, the rules of order, and ratify the outcome.

So, as some radical - progressive platform isnt going to happen, neither is a conservative one. We would see a platform that returned some measure of power to the States: repeal the 17th, address unfunded mandates, strength the tenth, strictly define the commerce clause, etc.

Those are things guys like Sheldon Silver in NY and a Mormon apostle in SLC could agree on. Washington would not be happy.

Posted by: Jean at March 02, 2015 08:57 PM (ztOda)

402 I see the law grants him the power to do so...but not the duty or obligation. So I think we all need to stop treating this as illegal or unconstitutional. We need to start describing it as the vote grab it is.
Posted by: Stone at March 02, 2015 08:52 PM (hgeD3)

******

This is pretty infuriating to see at this blog.

The point is that by EO and Executive memo, "He" is directing the duly voted upon and codified law be ignored. So, it is a big fcuking Constitutional issue.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 08:58 PM (yxp3x)

403 I don't get the raising taxes thing. Spending needs to be cut cut cut and then we'll talk about taxes

Posted by: freaked at March 02, 2015 08:58 PM (JdEZJ)

404 You know what, sports fans?

Filbert's gonna blow.

(Hyperventilates for a few moments)

You brainiacs who keep shooting down every single fucking idea anyone else has to try to fix the situation, why don't you come up with something?

Something that NOBODY ELSE WILL SHOOT ANY HOLES IN? A perfect idea, a sure-fire, can't miss, nobody will ever argue with, obvious as cow shit idea.

Let's hear it, einsteins!

Can't do it?

Won't do it?

Fuck off, then, m'kay? You're not helping. You're not solving the problem. You are being the problem.

(Pants, breathes heavily, looks around for the remainder of the Morgan and coke zero, realizes it's upstairs. Curses at his own stupidity, trudges towards the stairs.)

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 08:58 PM (h6Mpm)

405 94 Help me, JeffB, you're my only hope!
Posted by: hologram of Princess GOPe at March 02, 2015 07:21 PM

Speaking of JeffB, did Ace ever do anything about that tool making it sound like he's an official cob logger after that little stunt he pulled about jebbie @ CPAC? That pissed me off. He made it sound like all of us are jebbie knob gobblers.

Posted by: bibi's boobs destroy at March 02, 2015 08:59 PM (HIHOZ)

406 So our choices are either a) a comprehensive plan to address all the wrongs of the last century plus of the Prog experiment or b) accept the shit sandwich we have now.

How is that different from "comprehensive immigration reform" or "addressing the root causes"? Why bother locking your doors when someone can break in through the window?

I'd rather take the chance of talking out my ass than spend the rest of my days covering it and making excuses for why my country's still sliding into Shitsville as I pat myself on the back for my sober realism.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 02, 2015 08:46 PM (QKIQb)


So, our choices is either A). try to slow things and fight the long fight or B). Pull a quixotic all or nothing stunt.

With the former there is a chance to perserve something and possibly find ways to fight back, or at the very least find our own Terminus and prepare future generations for when the Prog. dsytopia crumbles.

Perhaps our best roadmap to the future is "A Canticle for Leibowitz"

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:00 PM (0Ew3K)

407 @116: "Ballot box

Soap box

hell if I forgot the last one.



Wiser men than me remember what it is."

The surrender box, then the collaborate box!

Posted by: Jeb Boehner-McConnell at March 02, 2015 09:00 PM (amQXf)

408 If not a third party can we at least get new leadership?It's pathetic.

Posted by: steevy at March 02, 2015 09:01 PM (KETbL)

409 So, as some radical - progressive platform isnt going to happen, neither is a conservative one. We would see a platform that returned some measure of power to the States: repeal the 17th, address unfunded mandates, strength the tenth, strictly define the commerce clause, etc.

Look, I'm sorry to be blunt, but if I saw polls indicating that most Americans (nevermind most registered voters) knew what those were, much less wanted them changed, I think there'd be a lot more to go on.

Posted by: AD at March 02, 2015 09:01 PM (pXB1a)

410
Fuck the 1%!

Support the 99%!

Soak the rich and then eat them!

Posted by: Occupy Ace at March 02, 2015 09:02 PM (nbgPm)

411 Sure are some pissed off folks here tonight.

Posted by: freaked at March 02, 2015 09:02 PM (JdEZJ)

412 If you're not pissed, you're not paying attention.

Posted by: toby928(C) has a bumpersticker at March 02, 2015 09:04 PM (rwI+c)

413 Actually, every amendment out of Congress has gone directly to the states. Whether it is Congress or a Convention that proposes the amendments, they are sent directly to the states.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:36 PM (0Ew3K)

?????

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 02, 2015 08:56 PM (2o6Wj)


Amendments are proposed and sent directly to the states. They are proposed only by Congress or a Convention for the purpose of proposing Amendments.

Rather straightforward.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:05 PM (0Ew3K)

414 Didn't say I wasn't pissed. Kinda numb actually.

Posted by: freaked at March 02, 2015 09:05 PM (JdEZJ)

415 Like it or not, the courts are now life time political offices. Obama has loaded the lower ones up with his cronies--yeah. When you think about going to court at least now you know the outcome no guessing allowed.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 02, 2015 09:05 PM (WNERA)

416 Speaking of CPAC, I had some notes:

Rand said we "borrow a million dollars a month", anyone have a reference for that. I tossed out an "end withholding" comment after his big tax line. I think he heard me, I paid for the good seats.

Rand also tossed out a "let me be clear"

RickyS had a good line, referring to the global warming is our primary enemy: 'we don't need a weatherman-in-chief'

Trump doesn't like Romney!

Perry referred to a $15K/annual regulatory cost per family, anyone have a reference for that?

I think it was Perry, maintain hope for the next two years - we survived Jimmy Carter ...

Lots of hot conservative college chicks, I hope all the Citadel guys we brought up got lucky.

Posted by: Jean at March 02, 2015 09:06 PM (ztOda)

417 Food and phones bitches ha ha ha ha ha ha

Posted by: Captain Oblowme Perrywinkle III at March 02, 2015 09:06 PM (XYKz+)

418 Sure are some pissed off folks here tonight.
Posted by: freaked at March 02, 2015 09:02 PM (JdEZJ)


I blame the lack of relevant llama news.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 09:06 PM (h6Mpm)

419 Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:00 PM (0Ew3K)

You really think a slow approach is better?

You are sure anything else is so reckless it must be rejected outright?

Your thinking is what got us here.

Keep chewing on the shit sandwiches the GOP serves you every day.

Maybe one day they will run out of shit.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2015 09:07 PM (MQEz6)

420 @395: "I disagree. There's teeth in the current one."

No, there really aren't. Look at all the corruption, illegal arrogation of power, express violation of written law - then look at how miserably few have been forced to pay any price whatsoever for it. Hell, the one Congressman who merely got *censured* for banging underage boy pages pretty much openly told his peers to go fuck themselves with no serious consequences.

"However, the judiciary
can decide one part is overridden by another part. The enforcement arm,
the President, can also just decide "f'k it, I'm doing [blank].""

Uh, you just described a toothless system - there is no punishment for not following the supreme law of the land.


Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 02, 2015 09:07 PM (amQXf)

421 Perhaps our best roadmap to the future is "A Canticle for Leibowitz"
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:00 PM (0Ew3K)

******

Dude, you must be George Will. He uses the same flowery language to assure us that our COPe betters have our backs and describing why we should support them.

I still have heard no factually compelling reason from you as to why an Article V is a bad idea. What I have heard is a lot of Establishment type scaremongering about same from you.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 09:08 PM (XrHO0)

422 For no reason at all: http://youtu.be/oO6uBQJ35N0

Posted by: puddleglum@work at March 02, 2015 09:08 PM (20X6f)

423 Can't wait for the next election so the smartest can tell us we need to vote to prevent moving the country to the left.

Posted by: commentorior at March 02, 2015 09:09 PM (ODxAs)

424 So much fear.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2015 09:09 PM (MQEz6)

425 374 Because it hasn't been solved you dumbass. I get it
your butt buddy Tillis has told you it's fixed so back on your knees and
start sucking like you should. But it's not and you're either a sucker
or complicit in the ruse.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 02, 2015 08:22 PM (z/Ubi)

So let me get this straight. Since the law/Executive order can not be enforced, you still believe the problem is not solved?
Perhaps, instead of calling me names, you could try to explain why you believe the problem still exist. The stay will not be over turned and it prevents Obama from carrying out his EO for the rest of his term. He does not have enough time to get it overturned.

So let's piss away our advantage here and looked idiots for what again?
Help me out here. PS What is with this Tillis shit, he doesn't support amnesty, despite what the stock fraud guy says. Hello? Try again.
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 02, 2015 08:46 PM (0FSuD)



Yeah sure it won't be overturned. And frankly I'll call you names if I want to you bigoted shit. I remember your excuse of Tillis claiming he's not for amnesty. It sounded exactly like the statement every amnesty lover spews when they need to swear what they aren't supporting is amnesty. You're either a sucker or complicit.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 02, 2015 09:09 PM (z/Ubi)

426 >>I blame the lack of relevant llama news.

Maybe we should debate whether the new party is the Blue and Black Party or the White and Gold Party.

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 02, 2015 09:10 PM (0xTsz)

427 409 So, as some radical - progressive platform isnt going to happen, neither is a conservative one. We would see a platform that returned some measure of power to the States: repeal the 17th, address unfunded mandates, strength the tenth, strictly define the commerce clause, etc.

Look, I'm sorry to be blunt, but if I saw polls indicating that most Americans (nevermind most registered voters) knew what those were, much less wanted them changed, I think there'd be a lot more to go on.
Posted by: AD at March 02, 2

A Convention could give a rats ass about the people or even registered voters desires -- it is a child of the State legislatures. You're talking less than 10K palms to grease. Well within Koch or Soros range.

Posted by: Jean at March 02, 2015 09:10 PM (ztOda)

428 Called out poppin fresh on twatter....

When will the asshole moderate wing think they are even on a hill let alone one worth dying for?

Posted by: The Smiling Bandit at March 02, 2015 09:10 PM (/4AZU)

429 11
Votings for Rs just to keep the Ds nominally out of power.



Half-hearted justification I cling to.



Quarter-hearted, actually.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at March 02, 2015 06:56 PM (3yHhO)


What evidence i there that the Democrats aren't in charge despite the victory we handed the Republicans last November?

Posted by: redbanzai at March 02, 2015 09:10 PM (afouc)

430 Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:05 PM (0Ew3K)


I said "up until now, every amendment has started in congress. This gets around having to go through Congress."

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 02, 2015 09:11 PM (2o6Wj)

431
If you're not pissed, you're not paying attention
toby928(C) has a bumpersticker at March 02, 2015 09:04 PM (rwI+c)

I see that on leftist bumper stickers next to COEXIST stickers all the time. Be careful to not be become your enemies, grasshopper.

Posted by: JJ Stone at March 02, 2015 09:11 PM (nbgPm)

432 So much fear.

Fear leads to anger,
Anger leads to hate,
Hate leads to me
Lightin' yo' punk azz up
And snorting the ashes.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, by the Pale Moon light at March 02, 2015 09:11 PM (m9V0o)

433 You are saying if someone broke the law to illegally come and stay here they aren't actually criminals?

Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2015 08:55 PM (c3JDs)


Technically, the answer to that is yes, just as if you get a parking ticket you are not a criminal, either. Crossing the border illegally (or staying here after you are supposed to leave) falls into a category of offense that is termed an infraction, which means the penalties are limited and it does not require the option of a jury trial. (in most states).

If you want to criminalize the violation, just be aware that the entire American judicial system currently processes approximately 800,000 such cases a year, and that you run the danger of swamping the system. Because all of those people would then be able to demand jury trials.

And please don't yell at me for pointing this out. It's just the law.

Posted by: CQD at March 02, 2015 09:12 PM (2dzsA)

434 I blame the lack of relevant llama news.

Maybe we should debate whether the new party is the Blue and Black Party or the White and Gold Party.

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 02, 2015 09:10 PM (0xTsz)


Excellent point.

We should all, as a nation, come together as one for the need for stronger Truth in Color Representation laws.

The need has never been more obvious than now.

Our children are at risk.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 09:12 PM (h6Mpm)

435 @425: "You're either a sucker or complicit."

Let's not bicker and argue over 'oo blew 'oo.....

Posted by: John Boehner, wiping chin and winking at Barack Obama at March 02, 2015 09:12 PM (amQXf)

436 Starting a third party would only ensure that Democrats win...wouldn't it?



Posted by: wheatie at March 02, 2015 07:01 PM (XIzXB)

Looks like they're winning anyway.

Posted by: DoubleAught at March 02, 2015 09:12 PM (D/4Z4)

437 Maybe Weeper lied to Pelosi like he lied to conservatives to get CRomnibus passed.

Posted by: Valiant at March 02, 2015 09:13 PM (4rlxS)

438 I'm worried about my country and I do not see a way to victory, not dem, pub or third party


What are we drinking

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 02, 2015 09:13 PM (zOTsN)

439 Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:00 PM (0Ew3K)

You really think a slow approach is better?

You are sure anything else is so reckless it must be rejected outright?

Your thinking is what got us here.

Keep chewing on the shit sandwiches the GOP serves you every day.

Maybe one day they will run out of shit.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2015 09:07 PM (MQEz6)


It's the difference between suffering from half a dozen diseases with a couple of aspirin with the hopes that a cure might be found... and putting a shotgun to your chin and pulling the trigger.

I'm not defending GOPe. I'm saying things are so far gone that any direct confrontation is suicide.

I think it is so far gone and it could get much worse.

I am more interested in preserving what little we have for future generations.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:13 PM (0Ew3K)

440 420 @395: "I disagree. There's teeth in the current one."

No, there really aren't. Look at all the corruption, illegal arrogation of power, express violation of written law - then look at how miserably few have been forced to pay any price whatsoever for it. Hell, the one Congressman who merely got *censured* for banging underage boy pages pretty much openly told his peers to go fuck themselves with no serious consequences.

"However, the judiciary
can decide one part is overridden by another part. The enforcement arm,
the President, can also just decide "f'k it, I'm doing [blank].""

Uh, you just described a toothless system - there is no punishment for not following the supreme law of the land.


Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 02, 2015 09:07 PM (amQXf)

The system only works if it manned by men of good moral character.

Posted by: Jean at March 02, 2015 09:14 PM (ztOda)

441 Hoping that the slow approach done as a loyal GOP voting unit is the best approach is like sitting in the Gulag mumbling about how Stalin will get you out of there as soon as he finds out you are in there.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2015 09:14 PM (MQEz6)

442


January 26, 2015, 10:02 am
House conservatives form 'Freedom Caucus'

House GOP conservatives announced a new "Freedom Caucus" on Monday to split from the Republican Study Committee (RSC) after complaints that it had become too cozy with leadership.

The nine founding members of the group have been frequent thorns in the side of House GOP leadership over the past four years. Many of them voted against giving John Boehner (R-Ohio) another term as Speaker earlier this month.


The mission statement of the House Freedom Caucus says it will give "a voice to countless Americans who feel that Washington does not represent them" and advocate for limited government.
"The House Freedom Caucus gives a voice to countless Americans who feel that Washington does not represent them. We support open, accountable and limited government, the Constitution and the rule of law, and policies that promote the liberty, safety and prosperity of all Americans," the mission statement reads.

The caucus is made up of Reps. Scott Garrett (R-N.J.), Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), John Fleming (R-La.), Matt Salmon (R-Ariz.), Justin Amash (R-Mich.), Raśl Labrador (R-Idaho), Mick Mulvaney (R-S.C.), Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.) and Mark Meadows (R-N.C.).

Mulvaney waged a bid to be the new chairman of the RSC in the fall but lost to Rep. Bill Flores (R-Texas). House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.), a former RSC chairman, reportedly whipped votes for Flores.

Posted by: Regular Guy at March 02, 2015 09:14 PM (XYKz+)

443 It sounded exactly like the statement every amnesty
lover spews when they need to swear what they aren't supporting is
amnesty. You're either a sucker or complicit.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 02, 2015 09:09 PM (z/Ubi)

I suggest you get back on your meds, before your head explodes.
Still no answer to the same question twice, why would that be?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 02, 2015 09:14 PM (0FSuD)

444 Posted by: CQD at March 02, 2015 09:12 PM (2dzsA)


I think you are saying illegals are so numerous we can't stop it. That ole fucking tipping point again.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 02, 2015 09:14 PM (WNERA)

445 Maybe Weeper lied to Pelosi like he lied to conservatives to get CRomnibus passed.
Posted by: Valiant at March 02, 2015 09:13 PM (4rlxS)


Wow. Nice.

I want some of what you're having.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 09:15 PM (h6Mpm)

446 He uses the same flowery language to assure us that our COPe betters have our backs and describing why we should support them.

I still have heard no factually compelling reason from you as to why an Article V is a bad idea. What I have heard is a lot of Establishment type scaremongering about same from you.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 09:08 PM (XrHO0)


I am not defending the GOPe. I am arguing against quixotic moves that would make boehner look like a master strategist.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:15 PM (0Ew3K)

447 Please ezcuse spelling and not being able to quote. Im on my phone.

The law spells out what crimes warrant mandatory deportation. Entering illegally is not one of them.

As to the person who said they can't believe they are reading this on the blog: Im looking at the law. The law seems to make it possible for the executive to deport, it does not say the President has to...in fact it seems to leave the choice up to the A.G.

I mean...we all agree laws mean what they say. They are not elastic. That is, after all, what is in front of the SC in burwell.


Posted by: Stone at March 02, 2015 09:16 PM (hgeD3)

448 Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:13 PM (0Ew3K)

Nonsense.

You are afraid.

You are afraid doing something bold could make things worse.

You are part of the problem.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2015 09:16 PM (MQEz6)

449 The system only works if it manned by men of good moral character.

Therein lies the true problem.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, by the Pale Moon light at March 02, 2015 09:16 PM (m9V0o)

450 What are we drinking
Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 02, 2015 09:13 PM (zOTsN)


At this point, battery acid is becoming a viable option.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 09:16 PM (h6Mpm)

451 Who here actually thinks that the judge in Texas issuing his ruling means it's a dead issue? Anyone besides Nip Sip?

Posted by: Buzzion at March 02, 2015 09:17 PM (z/Ubi)

452 At this point, battery acid is becoming a viable option.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 09:16 PM (h6Mpm)

Hey, I think that's what Buzzion is drinking tonight

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 02, 2015 09:17 PM (0FSuD)

453 I am more interested in preserving what little we have for future generations.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:13 PM (0Ew3K)

******

Given how little we have left of what We once had, I find your willingness to settle this in their terms to be in the "fuck that" category.

The fact that you think a holding action is enough when faced with total war is laughable, both on its face and at its core.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 09:17 PM (3F6F8)

454 Nood Clinton law-breaking.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 09:18 PM (h6Mpm)

455 *unstatic*

::peeks-in::

...yup. I knew exactly where this was going.

::closes window::

*static*

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 02, 2015 09:19 PM (16bOT)

456 WOW, Ace!
What you said!
I would only switch higher taxes with increased criminal indictments for "traders". When the average length of tenure of common stock in our equities markets is forty seconds (40'), as in 2/3 of a minute, in what meaningful sense is that a market? They are surfing waves of price-movement.
And, yeah, some of these creatures need *gutta percha*.
They are switching out the old-school rifle-using peons for new ones who get metabolic disorder from the food stamp free carbs.

Posted by: Outarange Guy at March 02, 2015 09:19 PM (8HaV3)

457 432 So much fear.

Fear leads to anger,
Anger leads to hate,
Hate leads to me
Lightin' yo' punk azz up
And snorting the ashes.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, by the Pale Moon light at March 02, 2015 09:11 PM (m9V0o)
http://tinyurl.com/qc554hh
I see what you did there!

Posted by: Regular Guy at March 02, 2015 09:20 PM (XYKz+)

458 A Convention could give a rats ass about the people or even registered voters desires -- it is a child of the State legislatures. You're talking less than 10K palms to grease. Well within Koch or Soros range.

Posted by: Jean at March 02, 2015 09:10 PM (ztOda)


Wrong.

States can only petition for a convention.

It is Congress that calls for, and thus sets up, the convention.

The Convention can propose anything. Anything the states suggest, either regarding amendments or the particulars of the convention itself, is legally irrelevant. The Convention can sit, or refuse to sit whomever they want and there is jack s**t the state legislatures can do about it.

Hell, the state Legislatures can be bypassed when it comes to ratification.

The state's only petition the Congress for the Congress to call a convention. After that, the state Legislaure at best might refuse to call a ratification convention in their state... and the Left will make sure they throw everything they have to make it seem like their Progressive proposals are like fluffy kittens and opposing it is the equivalent of raping babies.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:20 PM (0Ew3K)

459 I think you are saying illegals are so numerous we can't stop it. That ole fucking tipping point again.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 02, 2015 09:14 PM (WNERA)


No, I was answering a specific legal question, and pointing out why the law was written the way it was. They are not criminals. They can be deported after a mere administrative hearing. And it should stay that way, because if you insist on changing the law just so that you can call them criminals, you then afford them the protections of the American criminal justice system, which could never handle the load.



Posted by: CQD at March 02, 2015 09:20 PM (2dzsA)

460 ...yup. I knew exactly where this was going.

...

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 02, 2015 09:19 PM (16bOT)


Drinking battery acid?

A dude coulda warned me . . .

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 09:20 PM (h6Mpm)

461 Posted by: Nip Sip at March 02, 2015 09:17 PM (0FSuD)


Shouldn't you be off with your westboro buddies protesting a funeral?

Posted by: Buzzion at March 02, 2015 09:21 PM (z/Ubi)

462 These are arguments about the looking glass. We all agree, I hope, it is fucked and is going to get worse. The question seems to be how to fix it. Do the same thing over and over expecting better results or try something different. There in is the rub, what and how much different.

I would imagine there was a lot of hard feelings in Philadelphia that hot summer.


In this case nothing is going to change. Not the direction, but perhaps the speed the handbasket going.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 02, 2015 09:22 PM (WNERA)

463 "A). try to slow things and fight the long fight"

How long do you think we have? Ryan's roadmap long? Balancing the budget by the 2070's long?

If you're going to ask people to fight any war, but especially a long war, you need to keep them inspired. You need them to trust that your Fabian tactics are winning. If there's one thing the modern GOP has lost, it's trust and credibility.

There's a vast difference between quixotic effort and a longshot. I'd argue that hoping for great things from GOP's little men is more tilting at windmills than striking out on our own.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 02, 2015 09:22 PM (QKIQb)

464 198
OK, I am a little confused. We are going to the mat over immigrate rules that a judge has ALREADY ruled illegal.
Remind me why?


Posted by: Nip Sip at March 02, 2015 07:51 PM (0FSuD)

Because the court case is not a sure thing and, even if it were, we did not elect these jackholes to act like the dems are still in power. Supposedly, we were supposed to let that piece of crap cromnibus go because this was going to be the fight they finally stood firm on. Well, damnit we expect them to stay firm.
And that doesn't even touch on how they are allowing our Constitution to be undermined and used as birdcage liner.

The world is not going to end if most of DHS has to work without pay and the rest get furloughed yet you have Establishment Republicans screaming Democrat talking points because they are butthurt that we expect them to actually follow through on the words they said to get elected.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 02, 2015 09:24 PM (afouc)

465 The Republicans are the tax collectors of the Welfare State.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 02, 2015 09:24 PM (rwI+c)

466 Posted by: CQD at March 02, 2015 09:20 PM (2dzsA)


thx for explanation.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 02, 2015 09:24 PM (WNERA)

467 I am not defending the GOPe. I am arguing against quixotic moves that would make boehner look like a master strategist.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:15 PM (0Ew3K)

****

This addresses the point of my post in very few ways. As addressed above, this is the scared Right talking.

While you get points for hammering the term "quixotic" to fcuking death in order to sound all smarts and stuff, ala George Will, you are,advocating surrendering to hold our ground only. First off, fuck that. Secondly, you are apparently unaware that an enemy becomes emboldened by victories and does not stop to say "enough, we're good here".

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 09:25 PM (cIoI4)

468 Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:13 PM (0Ew3K)

Nonsense.

You are afraid.


I'm not the one burying my head in the sand.

I'm not the one who thinks that "things couldn't get worse" embraces fairy tails to blind myself from real horrors that would happen when failure inevitably happens.

You are afraid doing something bold could make things worse.

You are part of the problem.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2015 09:16 PM (MQEz6)


F**k you.

There is a difference between being bold and being stupid.

You are embracing the later.

I'm all for being bold. But I recognize that there is more to success than chest-thumping. I also recognize just how deep a hole we are in and how it'll take more than quixotic declarations climb out... and it'll be a long climb.

Cowardice is embracing a feel-good quixotic temper-tantrum, while being blinded to the dystopia in waiting.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:30 PM (0Ew3K)

469 Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:55 PM (0Ew3K)
=================

I know they would. Each delegation is appointed by the individual legislature. They would be delegations composed of state legislators.

Posted by: MTF, High Horsin' at March 02, 2015 09:30 PM (FCsIb)

470 Looking over these last few comments I see quite a few disparaging the idea of a convention, based entirely upon fear of the process. It's a process stipulated in the Constitution, expressly made available under its terms. Why so frightened of the Constitution?

Posted by: MTF, High Horsin' at March 02, 2015 09:33 PM (FCsIb)

471 I said "up until now, every amendment has started in congress. This gets around having to go through Congress."

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 02, 2015 09:11 PM (2o6Wj)


You can't get around going through Congress. Either they propose amendments, or a Convention that they call proposes amendment.s

Either which way, the proposals are sent directly to the state.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:33 PM (0Ew3K)

472 Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 08:55 PM (0Ew3K)
=================

I know they would. Each delegation is appointed by the individual legislature. They would be delegations composed of state legislators.

Posted by: MTF, High Horsin' at March 02, 2015 09:30 PM (FCsIb)


There is nothing in Article V that mandates that the delegation would be appointed by a legislature or be composed of legislators.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:35 PM (0Ew3K)

473 This addresses the point of my post in very few ways. As addressed above, this is the scared Right talking.

While you get points for hammering the term "quixotic" to fcuking death in order to sound all smarts and stuff, ala George Will, you are,advocating surrendering to hold our ground only. First off, fuck that. Secondly, you are apparently unaware that an enemy becomes emboldened by victories and does not stop to say "enough, we're good here".

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 09:25 PM (cIoI4)


Scared?

Yes I am scared of everything that America is being killed off and replaced by a Progressive hell hole.

I am also scared that the Progressive are in such a dominant position that any move for overt radical change will be hijacked by the Left as an excuse to gain absolute power. And the will throw everything they have to win that one moment that would give them complete victory.

I am not advocating surrender. I am advocating winning all the battles we can win, and not waste all our energies on a modern day Pickett's charge.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:39 PM (0Ew3K)

474 I am not advocating surrender. I am advocating winning all the battles we can win, and not waste all our energies on a modern day Pickett's charge.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:39 PM (0Ew3K)

*****

Yeah. Not the Hill to die on....evuh. But no, Not scared.

This line of "reasoning", Sir, is one of the reasons I no longer identify as Republican, and have not for about 13 years.

Tell me, what is your line in the sand. Do you even have one, at all?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 09:45 PM (XrHO0)

475 Yeah. Not the Hill to die on....evuh. But no, Not scared.

This line of "reasoning", Sir, is one of the reasons I no longer identify as Republican, and have not for about 13 years.

Tell me, what is your line in the sand. Do you even have one, at all?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 09:45 PM (XrHO0)


Wrong analogy.

You always fight, but you don't throw down the glove when you know you are going to get killed.

The Progressives didn't take power by declaring nearly a century ago that it was gay-marriage and tranny pride parades or nothing.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:48 PM (0Ew3K)

476 The way this stuff works is that a Karl Rove can hire people to come here and say stuff like, OK, the GOP isn't perfect, but they're the only thing between you and socialized medicine, legal abortion on demand up to 270 days gestation, high taxes, 50% foreign-born in NYC, 30,000 Somalis in Minneapolis and their Congressman Sheikh Ellison, legions of border crashers soon to be legal voters, and the Ayatollah's bomb... oh, wait.

Posted by: Outarange Guy at March 02, 2015 09:49 PM (8HaV3)

477 The Progressives didn't take power by declaring nearly a century ago that it was gay-marriage and tranny pride parades or nothing.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:48 PM (0Ew3K)

******

Cool. Please define what you mean by using the word "fight". Cuz, by my definition, I am not hearing any of it from you. I hear surrender to hold ground.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 09:59 PM (3F6F8)

478 Two years ago Ace was assuring us that the establishment GOP was a mythological bogeyman and a conspiracy theory that occupied the dull ugly minds of the tea party types rather than reality.

Posted by: Cackfinger at March 02, 2015 10:02 PM (53TqR)

479 You have to wonder if McConnell, Boehner et al have any principles whatsoever. I mean, what do they believe in? What do they stand for? What really matters?

All I see is them letting the democrats and Obama run roughshod over them. Obama and the democrats get everything that they want, and last time I checked, Obama didn't exactly win by a landslide. But who represents us? No one. Polls show that the majority of Americans do not want this amnesty, doesn't matter, just like it didn't matter that the majority of Americans didn't want Obamacare.

The Republican establishment really does not understand who they are dealing with. Obama is a ruthless radical, and he is wrecking the country just as he said he would. The Republicans are letting him, or perhaps, this is what they want, too. Either way, over and over again we are showed that they do not represent the people that put them in office.

Third parties are not ideal, and historically, third party candidates just end up helping the democrat get elected. That being said, it may be time to start one. I am still holding out hope that the Republican party can be reformed and some compromise reached before the left completely destroys the country beyond repair (it may already be too late), but when I heard King eschew such vitriol towards his fellow party members - the democrats would NEVER do something like this, mind you - I realized it was probably hopeless. The Republican party is lost to the people. We need a party. We have a right to representation.

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at March 02, 2015 10:02 PM (2/oBD)

480 Wouldnt it be easier to just get rid of the leadership rather than building a party from the ground up?

Posted by: Kal at March 02, 2015 10:05 PM (Tdqk9)

481 So how long until the old ace pendulum swings back to Ace telling us that the tea party and socons are the new Birchers, an embarrassment, and they need to go away like the Ron Paul crowd?

Posted by: Cackfinger at March 02, 2015 10:06 PM (53TqR)

482 That weekend in Tijuana with Jeff G. hit Ace hard, man...

Posted by: Brian Williams at March 02, 2015 10:07 PM (XO6WW)

483 Well, Ace is now into harsh truth telling, so...

Posted by: Shoot Me at March 02, 2015 10:07 PM (EQcfE)

484 The Progressives didn't take power by declaring nearly a century ago that it was gay-marriage and tranny pride parades or nothing.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:48 PM (0Ew3K)

******

Cool. Please define what you mean by using the word "fight". Cuz, by my definition, I am not hearing any of it from you. I hear surrender to hold ground.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 09:59 PM (3F6F


It ain't chargin' at windmills, Pancho.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 10:08 PM (0Ew3K)

485 It ain't chargin' at windmills, Pancho.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 10:08 PM (0Ew3K)

*****

You, like the GOPe you stridently mention you are not, ain't charging at anything except COC support that I can see, Sporto.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 10:13 PM (3F6F8)

486 You, like the GOPe you stridently mention you are not, ain't charging at anything except COC support that I can see, Sporto.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 10:13 PM (3F6F


While you are aimin' for a loosing fight?

Aimin' for FAIL ain't the way to defeat GOPe and the Progressive machine concomitantly.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 10:15 PM (0Ew3K)

487 @470: "Why so frightened of the Constitution?"

------

"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it."
- Lysander Spooner

*That* is why.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 02, 2015 10:21 PM (amQXf)

488 Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 09:30 PM (0Ew3K)

Fear.

You will never do anything other than what you are doing now because you are too afraid to act

Keep telling yourself you are being prudent, being the sober adult.

The GOP owns you.



Posted by: eman at March 02, 2015 10:22 PM (MQEz6)

489 While you are aimin' for a loosing fight?

Aimin' for FAIL ain't the way to defeat GOPe and the Progressive machine concomitantly.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 10:15 PM (0Ew3K)

*******
Wow. You are giving up before even trying. As I mentioned, fear is what you are all about if this is your argument.

Tell me, what is your strategerie going forward? I need to get a count on how many pairs of kneepads need to be ordered.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 10:23 PM (XrHO0)

490 Fear.

You will never do anything other than what you are doing now because you are too afraid to act


What is it that you think I am doing?

I've voted for third parties plenty of times, including multiple times in the last election.

I've helped conservative challengers against squishes. I've fought for sane conservatives to take over party structures, from local to state.

Hell, I've run hopeless races for office.

I bet damn sure I've done more than you and your f**kin utopian delusions.

Keep telling yourself you are being prudent, being the sober adult.

Far more than you.

The GOP owns you.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2015 10:22 PM (MQEz6)


Again, f**k you. I was a YAFfer. I've gone after squished like a rabid dog.

F**k off poseur.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 10:27 PM (0Ew3K)

491 What I'd like to do is have a test run with a 3rd Party but in the leadership's home district.

That would be a good way to
A) Keep them in line and
B) scare the shit out of the rest of them without handing the country over to the Left

Posted by: Kal at March 02, 2015 10:29 PM (Tdqk9)

492 Wow. You are giving up before even trying. As I mentioned, fear is what you are all about if this is your argument.

No, I just try to think stratigically.

Tell me, what is your strategerie going forward? I need to get a count on how many pairs of kneepads need to be ordered.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 10:23 PM (XrHO0)


Fewer kneepads then you'll need after you've handed the all the keys to your soon-to-be Progressive overlord.

I don't have some grand plan. The Left has their grand plan for utopia. The pot-smoking Paul-bots have their grand plan for utopia. You have your clever little scheme for utopia.

Plan? Look at what GOA, the NRA, and other RKBA groups have done and succeeded at doing.

They didn't shoot for the stars in the face of near total opposition. They fought the battles to stop or even slow the actions of the anti-gunners. They laid the ground work. Then they struck and won, establishing the 2nd Amendment as an individual right... something that just a few decades ago would have resulted in an explicit declaration that the 2nd Amendment wasn't an individual right.

What didn't they do? They didn't say "can't get much worse" and force a case that would have forever killed off the 2nd Amendment.

We don't have the luxury of an outright all-or-nothing fight.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 10:33 PM (0Ew3K)

493 What didn't they do? They didn't say "can't get much worse" and force a case that would have forever killed off the 2nd Amendment.

We don't have the luxury of an outright all-or-nothing fight.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 10:33 PM (0Ew3K)

******
Bullshit. The Gun groups have won because they keep fighting on their issue. They have not gone all or none, but in your arguments detailed above and admitted, you are just going to try and hold ground we already own. Trying to gain more, if I may paraphrase, is "tilting at windmills".

If so, this whole thread and conversation should be moot, cuz, ya know...why bother fighting and stuff.

Posted by: Lieawatha at March 02, 2015 10:41 PM (3F6F8)

494 We don't have the luxury of an outright all-or-nothing fight.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 10:33 PM (0Ew3K)

We do not have the luxury of not fighting this fight. It is do or die time. Moreover, if the public believed that the establishment was doing the right thing with this amnesty surrender, they would not be planning to run ads and try to scare conservatives into dropping their opposition. But they are doing that because the public DOES NOT SUPPORT what Boehner and McConnell are doing.
They are trying to get conservatives to surrender so that they do not pay a political price for their planned betrayal. I, for one, will be calling as many of the 52 as I can tomorrow to thank them and arge that they hold the line.
And F$%# Pete King and his ilk.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 02, 2015 10:43 PM (afouc)

495 Wouldn't it be easier to just get rid of the leadership rather than building a party from the ground up?

Posted by: Kal at March 02, 2015 10:05 PM (Tdqk9)


Yes. Target the leadership (and, to be practical, their logical successors) with massively-funded, high-profile candidates. You don't need a third party for this, by the way. If Sarah Palin would run for Congress against John Boehner, for example, she could challenge him in the primary with a decent chance of winning. Just in case she loses, have Michelle Bachmann running on a third party line so that in the general election she can split the vote and he loses anyway.

But to do this, you need to raise a lot of money and even then, pick your fights. 10-12 in any given election cycle.

Posted by: CQD at March 02, 2015 10:43 PM (2dzsA)

496 Bullshit. The Gun groups have won because they keep fighting on their issue. They have not gone all or none, but in your arguments detailed above and admitted, you are just going to try and hold ground we already own. Trying to gain more, if I may paraphrase, is "tilting at windmills".

If so, this whole thread and conversation should be moot, cuz, ya know...why bother fighting and stuff.

Posted by: Lieawatha at March 02, 2015 10:41 PM (3F6F


They worked to stop the anti-gun march and lay the groundwork for being able to make an all-or-nothing battle that they could win.

That ain't tilting at windmills.

That's proven success.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 10:46 PM (0Ew3K)

497 That ain't tilting at windmills.

That's proven success.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 10:46 PM (0Ew3K)

****

They had a plan and stuck to it. Please detail your plan. Excruciatingly. Every detail.

Posted by: Lieawatha at March 02, 2015 10:50 PM (3F6F8)

498 They had a plan and stuck to it. Please detail your plan. Excruciatingly. Every detail.

Posted by: Lieawatha at March 02, 2015 10:50 PM (3F6F


I ain't proposing an all-or-nothing plan.

I point out the NRA, GOA, et al. as a possible path to emulate.

Explain to me how your oh so clever plan, or GTFO

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 10:52 PM (0Ew3K)

499 ONT up.

Time to chill.

*inhales*

Posted by: Psychedelicat at March 02, 2015 11:00 PM (0Ew3K)

500 ONT up.

Time to chill.

*inhales*

Posted by: Psychedelicat at March 02, 2015 11:00 PM (0Ew3K)

501 I point out the NRA, GOA, et al. as a possible path to emulate.

Explain to me how your oh so clever plan, or GTFO
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 02, 2015 10:52 PM (0Ew3K)

*****
Read what I wrote, Not That which you heard. I asked you for your plan going forward. You chose to punt, obfuscate and then 're ask my question of me. You first, Son.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at March 02, 2015 11:02 PM (3F6F8)

502 Boner has agreed with Obama that he will only do bills of legislation that only gives everything Obama wants or more, and none of what Republicans want or disagrees with Obama. TWO BIT POLITICAL HO

Posted by: ron n. at March 02, 2015 11:05 PM (YVQn/)

503 The Constitution is powerless within an immoral populace

Posted by: Soona at March 02, 2015 11:10 PM (4KWAC)

504 Still waiting to hear the "true conservative" plan for after Mitch ditches the filibuster, passes the House bill, and Obama vetoes it. Since an override requires 67 Senate votes and 290 in the House, it seems reasonable to ask what you Sooper Geniuses propose to do then.

Or is shutting down DHS the first AND last step of your master strategy, assuming the public will suddenly rally to us and Obama will repent and relent to save your "plan"?

Which would make you just whining worthless losers when it doesn't happen, right?


Posted by: Adjoran at March 03, 2015 12:01 AM (QIQ6j)

505 I still like the earlier idea of picking 5-6 of the worst offending Republicans, and voting for their Dem opponent. 3rd party is just giving up to me.

Posted by: cortezoid at March 03, 2015 12:13 AM (SerR8)

506 United States Independence Party.

Sister party to UKIP across the pond. Rand Paul and Nigel Farage are nearly indistinguishable.

Posted by: S at March 03, 2015 12:17 AM (NhLdG)

507 If Boehner and McConell want to start their own party, sure, fine, call it the First Class Fuck Up Party. They can't call it the Republican Party because there's an ocean of difference between those 2 and the party of Lincoln and Reagan.

Posted by: hurricane567 at March 03, 2015 12:34 AM (pRbOt)

508 Yeah, Your Boy Boehner Cut a Deal With Us on DHS Funding

If he was my "boy", I'd have given his ass a good whipping for being stupid a long, long time ago...

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at March 03, 2015 12:58 AM (Sx7uB)

509 Hey Adjoran

Plan, shman, none of this should have happened in the first place! What moron attached the funding of an executive amnesty on immigration to the dhs funding bill in the first place? this was a no-go kerfuffle from the start! it was designed to fail because boehner and mcconnell WANT the executive amnesty. they WANT millions, and millions, and millions of very poorly educated desperately poor people streaming across our borders. the establishment GOP likes the executive amnesty. you do understand that the GOP sold us out? you also do understand that the policies of the obama admin on immigration will have sweeping, long-reaching effects on this country for decades to come, don't you? or are you naive enough to think that a nation can under go the kind of drastic demographic changes that are being forced upon the people - WITHOUT REPRESENTATION - and it won't have any disparate impact? please, tell me what YOUR plan is to educate, house, employ, feed, etc., millions upon million upon millions of non-citizens that are going to be coming soon to a town near you? what's your plan for that?

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at March 03, 2015 07:37 AM (2/oBD)

510 Ace, if the dimocraps in the DISGUSTING FILTH of the Lame Stream Media have you writing like this.......

They've already won.

They've got you dancing like a Marionette on a string.

Who's gullible and easily led now?

Sorry that life isn't perfect.

Posted by: Uncle Rick at March 03, 2015 08:18 AM (ZbB1q)

511 Well, the commercials that are going to be run by the GOP to promote the support for Obama's executive amnesty are being put out by these establishment republicans: American Action Network. They will be running commercials to try to get the public to support this crap and place pressure on Republicans that don't support this cramnesty. Here is the website for the AAN. Their mission is to promote "center-right" and "common-sense, conservative" solutions to our nation's "challenges."

Ideas:

Perhaps some people can get together and make their own commercials to show support for Republicans that are actually standing up to the establishment cramnesty cronies.

People can reach out and say "Hi" and share one's feelings about the cramnesty with AAN, Boehner's office, McConnel's office, and Mr. Priebus.

The AAN is here: https://americanactionnetwork.org/

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at March 03, 2015 08:41 AM (2/oBD)

512 As i have openly stated publicly FOR DECADES, both parties are behind the scenes in bed with each other, and in agreement as to screwing us. Denial has been abundant for decades. NOW, are people finally ready to listen or is it going to take another couple of decades for people to decide to do something about it, too ? We need some one with means to start a third party, REALLY, or give America its last rites.

Posted by: ron n. at March 03, 2015 05:35 PM (YVQn/)

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