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Jim Jordan Denies Plot to Demote John Boehner, While Rumors Swirl of a Plot to Demote John Bohner

Jordan says there is no plot, but the Plotters are indeed Plotting to Plot.


Two senior House Republican sources tell CNN there's a serious concern among those close to the Speaker that if he allowed a vote on a clean DHS funding bill, conservatives would make a motion to vacate the chair, a direct challenge to his job.

That is basically a no-confidence vote. The way CNN puts it -- and the way AllahPundit interprets it -- is that Boehner could be saved by Democrats, who would be part of the vote, and may prefer his incompetent leadership to a competent conservative's.

But I've heard some version of it where the vote takes place in the Republican caucus only.

I'll have to check on that.

Boehner clearly has to go. He cannot deliver for the Establishment -- he fails each time he tries to deliver political deliverables to the liberal anti-populists of the Establishment.

And he of course does not deliver to the conservative populists -- rather, what we ultimately pressure him into delivering unto us is Failure Theater, a dumbshow in which Republicans pretend to oppose Obama up until their scheduled capitulation.

We get all the pain of the media attacks on us for daring to oppose President Precious Perfect without actually opposing President Precious Perfect.

I don't think Confusius ever said Never leave a man who has staked his reputation on the claim that your plan will result in failure in charge of executing your plan, but he might have, if this celestial joyboy wasn't always obsessing about getting his weenie wet.

This is a case of being in the middle of the road where it's the most dangerous. Either deliver your deliverables to the Establishment elite, or deliver them to the populist rebels; but this shit by which you attempt to deliver to the Establishment, then fail, then go through the political damage of a shutdown without the political reward of a shutdown (that is, actual leverage over Obama), is, and please excuse my language here, For the Birds, and something only a (trigger alert) actual Bird Brain would support.

Here's a bit of trivia: I'm told the very best office in all of Washington DC is the Speaker of the House's office. It looks, via a wide and imperial balcony, over the national Mall.

A man might make a lot of decisions which are actually bad for his caucus to keep such a desirable blandishment.

A long time ago I read a trenchant criticism of McCain that always stuck with me. The writer (forget who) noted that there was indeed a "Reaganism" apart from the man himself -- that is, there were a series of propositions, ideas, and values which composed a freestanding "Reaganism" that was independent of the man himself.

But was there such a McCainism? No, of course not. There was nothing to any "McCainism" except the idea, dearly held by McCain and his hangers-on, that John McCain really ought to be in charge.

The same criticism obviously applies to Boehner. There is no "Boehnerism," no coherent "Boehner Agenda," apart from the very dubious proposition that Only One Man can lead the country and thus and so Providence has delivered unto us John Boehner.

Posted by: Ace at 03:05 PM




Comments

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1 Random plotting.

Posted by: NCKate at March 02, 2015 03:05 PM (JHNpt)

2 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:06 PM (rks47)

3
The Subject Is Swirlies...

Posted by: Bruce J. at March 02, 2015 03:06 PM (iQIUe)

4 John Boehner is a simpering, sniveling pissant of a coward.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:06 PM (rks47)

5 As if the next guy will be any better than Boehner...

Plus there's something to be said for having a wine drinking 2 pack a day smoking orange man as the speaker of the house in 2015.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 02, 2015 03:07 PM (AkOaV)

6 I'd love to see Trey Gowdy enjoying the view from that sweet office and that wide and imperial balcony, wouldn't you?

Posted by: Keith Arnold at March 02, 2015 03:07 PM (iIzG7)

7 Having worked on jumbled trading desks and in cramped cubicles, I , too, would be tempted to continue failing in any such fashion required to maintain such an office.

Posted by: spongeworthy at March 02, 2015 03:08 PM (RaRml)

8 Please have him lose the Speaker position and then decide to retire from Congress. I want a Representative for my district not a facilitator.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 02, 2015 03:08 PM (E4CQp)

9 Boehner must be in his feels today.

Posted by: NCKate at March 02, 2015 03:08 PM (JHNpt)

10 Ace, can we use For the Birds now? I thought such harsh language was on a need-to-use basis only.

Posted by: Heralder at March 02, 2015 03:08 PM (/Mxso)

11 I heard there were some young, nubile nude boners in here???

Posted by: Harry Reid at March 02, 2015 03:09 PM (wtvvX)

12 Here's a bit of trivia: I'm told the very best office in all of Washington DC is the Speaker of the House's office. It looks, via a wide and imperial balcony, over the national Mall.

A man might make a lot of decisions which are actually bad for his caucus to keep such a desirable blandishment.


Second look at a Barracks and mid-sized office building for Congress?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:09 PM (rks47)

13 I would love to see him go but lot depends on who they replace him with. Maybe Trey Gowdey?

Posted by: Vic at March 02, 2015 03:09 PM (wlDny)

14 Boner can always join netanyahu and return government owned bottles for their deposits.

Posted by: captain*arizona at March 02, 2015 03:09 PM (IxP57)

15 I have not yet begun to fuck up

Posted by: john boehner at March 02, 2015 03:10 PM (78TbK)

16 Blandishment. I love it when Ace brings the mot juste.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 02, 2015 03:10 PM (JtwS4)

17 and please excuse my language here, For the Birds,

Well. I *never*.

Posted by: HR needs cheeseburgers at March 02, 2015 03:10 PM (/kI1Q)

18 Second look at a Barracks and mid-sized office building for Congress?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:09 PM (rks47)

Seriously. With the amount of debt we're in, we should be putting Congress in the basement of the department of whatever, and renting out that primo office space thats currently occupied by these do-nothing jackass charlatans for top dollar.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 02, 2015 03:10 PM (AkOaV)

19 Boehner and the GOPe's theme song.

http://tinyurl.com/btzshtt

Posted by: Lauren at March 02, 2015 03:11 PM (MYCIw)

20 I would love to see him go but lot depends on who they replace him with. Maybe Trey Gowdey?

There's actually a non-zero chance that Joe Barton could move there.

He's plenty establishment for the establishment, but he's also (been) moved solidly right over the last 4 years (thanks to a couple of primary challenges).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:11 PM (rks47)

21 It's time for the orange man to go...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 02, 2015 03:11 PM (Bn6aD)

22 I don't know if any of them would be an improvement. They know better than we how divorced people are from the actual process at work. It's hard enough arguing for the long term good against the FSA. Trying that when most people don't even know what in Hell is going on has to be worse.

The poll showing that even the tea party didn't want to touch SS indicates that desire for reform is a mile wide and a couple inches deep.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 02, 2015 03:11 PM (Spluw)

23 deliver your deliverables

And my name is my name!

Posted by: Marlo Stanfield at March 02, 2015 03:11 PM (BrQrN)

24 Second look at a Barracks and mid-sized office building for Congress?>>>

In Bumf*ck North Dakota?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 02, 2015 03:11 PM (81UWZ)

25 Honest, America, I'll pull your rip cord. But let me get some more footage...

Posted by: John Boehner at March 02, 2015 03:11 PM (Lnp4L)

26 Whoa. Ace is brandishing blandishment.

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at March 02, 2015 03:12 PM (TPjwz)

27 Can Harry Reid loan Mitch McConnell his exercise equipment?

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 02, 2015 03:12 PM (MMC8r)

28 In possible fairness to Boehner, he got boned by the Guild Navigator. Unless it was all a setup.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 02, 2015 03:12 PM (evdj2)

29 Posted by: Blue Hen at March 02, 2015 03:11 PM (Spluw)

Yeah...

I don't see shit improving in any meaningful way in my lifetime...

But I'm a pessimist.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 02, 2015 03:12 PM (AkOaV)

30 The poll showing that even the tea party didn't want to touch SS indicates that desire for reform is a mile wide and a couple inches deep.

Or that people are terrified.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:12 PM (rks47)

31 off psaki

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 02, 2015 03:12 PM (wtvvX)

32 Don't forget the turtle. He had as much to do over this DHS fuckup as anyone. He needs to go too.

Posted by: Soona at March 02, 2015 03:12 PM (/HX7u)

33 The RNCe will never let a real conservative occupy that office.


We have no Party

Posted by: Vic at March 02, 2015 03:12 PM (wlDny)

34 The Speaker doesn't need to be a Member of Congress.

So, while Mr. Netanyahu is at the podium tomorrow, a simple voice vote of acclimation should be held, to give him the job.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 02, 2015 03:12 PM (RzZOc)

35 Eh, I put this screw up at the feet of McConnell. The House passed a bill that took out funding for Obama's illegal amnesty crap but McConnell couldn't get it done in the Senate.

Both are strategery challenged.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2015 03:12 PM (g1DWB)

36 5
As if the next guy will be any better than Boehner...


You completely missed the point. If Boehner is deposed (which I can't see happening, but even so, the attempt will greatly pain him), the next guy in line is going to be worried about it happening to him, and costing him that view.

Pour encourager les autres.

Posted by: pep at March 02, 2015 03:13 PM (YXmuI)

37 35 Eh, I put this screw up at the feet of McConnell. The House passed a bill that took out funding for Obama's illegal amnesty crap but McConnell couldn't get it done in the Senate.


It's time for the turtle to go too...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 02, 2015 03:13 PM (Bn6aD)

38 I seriously doubt that anyone will do anything till AFTER Bibi speaks.



Also, the motion to vacate the chair is made in the chamber, so any member could vote.



I don't see any of this happening. This sounds like MSM plotting to make the GOP look bad, that is all.



I take "GOP infighting" headline for $1,000, Alex




Posted by: Nip Sip at March 02, 2015 03:13 PM (0FSuD)

39 The Speaker doesn't need to be a Member of Congress.

So, while Mr. Netanyahu is at the podium tomorrow, a simple voice vote of acclimation should be held, to give him the job.


But he would, at least in theory, need to be eligible for President. Since he'd be #3 in the LOS.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:13 PM (rks47)

40 "With the amount of debt we're in, we should be putting Congress in the basement of the department of whatever..."

Based on the results we've been getting so far, Congress should be housed in the clearance basement of a shuttered Sears, with their aides in a cube farm in what used to be the Large Appliance department, where you used to be able to buy refrigerators in avocado and harvest gold.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at March 02, 2015 03:14 PM (iIzG7)

41 Boehner is about as useless as free tickets to a Cats on Ice performance...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 02, 2015 03:14 PM (wtvvX)

42 In Bumf*ck North Dakota?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 02, 2015 03:11 PM (81UWZ)

Nah, the feds have about 77,000 empty buildings that they're letting rot for us (http://tinyurl.com/ojgxdh3) because, f you tax payers, so i say we put congress in one of them.

It can be in DC, that's fine.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 02, 2015 03:14 PM (AkOaV)

43 Watching the leadership manage the DHS funding bill reminds me of watching a man suffering a Grand Mal attack while skydiving for the first time.

Posted by: MTF, Fan of the Crusades at March 02, 2015 03:14 PM (FCsIb)

44
Boehner had a grand mal epileptic seizure on that wide and imperial balcony and it gave the country the shitz.

Posted by: Dr Dr Ballpoint at March 02, 2015 03:14 PM (1sVzz)

45 There is no "Boehnerism," no coherent "Boehner Agenda,

You haven't been watching my shadow.

Posted by: BJ Clinton at March 02, 2015 03:14 PM (BrQrN)

46 I can't spare this man. He "packs my chute".

Posted by: Barack Obama at March 02, 2015 03:14 PM (Lnp4L)

47 I've never understood why the Tea Party would want to "touch" SS.

What is so hard about understanding that SS is OUR FCUKING MONEY.

We earned it, the damn gubmint took it, we want it back like we were promised. Period. End of story. Saying the Tea Party is hypocritical over SS makes no damned sense. No damned sense at all.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 02, 2015 03:14 PM (7ObY1)

48 It's Dee-Mo-nay!

Posted by: Count Demonet at March 02, 2015 03:14 PM (66Sda)

49 This sounds like MSM plotting to make the GOP look bad, that is all.

Because the GOP needs the help. Or something.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:15 PM (rks47)

50 I don't think Confucius ever said Never leave a man who has staked his reputation on the claim that your plan will result in failure in charge of executing your plan, but he might have, if he wasn't always getting his weenie wet.

I'm so confused. Was Confucius famous for this?

Posted by: joncelli at March 02, 2015 03:15 PM (RD7QR)

51 Oh and O/T all three of the Lord of the Rings flicks are on TCM tonight. Straight through

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 02, 2015 03:15 PM (0FSuD)

52 The Speaker doesn't need to be a Member of Congress. So, while Mr. Netanyahu is at the podium tomorrow, a simple voice vote of acclimation should be held, to give him the job. But he would, at least in theory, need to be eligible for President. Since he'd be #3 in the LOS.

The Speaker is #2.
I believe that the native born requirement is to run for the office.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 02, 2015 03:15 PM (Spluw)

53 []Eh, I put this screw up at the feet of McConnell.

Boehner went along with it. If you're the Speaker, you're supposed to be able to think a few steps ahead. These guys always seem to be baffled about what happened last month.

Posted by: pep at March 02, 2015 03:15 PM (YXmuI)

54 I hate you! Nobody understands me!

*slams bedroom door*

*buries face in pillow*

Posted by: Boehner's Boehnerisms at March 02, 2015 03:15 PM (BrQrN)

55 Meh, who knows what is going on. Dizzy City runs on rumor and expense accounts.


Let me know when someone actually launches a coup and put up the flaming skull if it actually succeeds.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet requests that whoever ticked off Elsa go and apologize right now! at March 02, 2015 03:15 PM (hLRSq)

56 I can't spare this man. He "packs my chute".

Posted by: Barack Obama


ISWYDT

Posted by: reggie love at March 02, 2015 03:15 PM (evdj2)

57 But he would, at least in theory, need to be eligible for President. Since he'd be #3 in the LOS.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:13 PM (rks47)

You raise an interesting point.
The requirements to be a Representative are not the same as for POTUS. Where in the law does it outline the requirements to be Speaker???

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 02, 2015 03:16 PM (wtvvX)

58 30
The poll showing that even the tea party didn't want to touch SS
indicates that desire for reform is a mile wide and a couple inches
deep.



Or that people are terrified.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:12 PM


I don't believe most polls but I can understand why smart people don't want them tinkering with SS. SS itself is doing fine, especially if they get to redeem all those IOUs that congress has spent.


The real problem is we have already "fixed" SS twice to get it over the so-called baby boomer hump and they spent both the fixes on other social programs. What they need is a MAJOR reform of SSDI which is bankrupting the system through fraud and abuse.

Posted by: Vic at March 02, 2015 03:16 PM (wlDny)

59 I'll play devil's advocate here. Boehner is like Roger Goodell. Everyone seems to hate him - yet he survives. Why?

My theory on Goodell is that he has really given the owners no reason to get rid of him (they make plenty of money) and he is the lightning rod for the NFL. Lightening is going to strike - better it hit Goodell than the owners themselves - why take personal responsibility - you have someone making $40 million to do that.

Same with Boehner. So long as he is in power, everyone can blame him and deflect responsibility away from them. And under his watch - the GOP has grown tremendously - so in some sense he has delivered (I don't think he is responsible for that GOP growth - but it happened on his watch).

In summary - I think he'll survive.

Posted by: SH at March 02, 2015 03:16 PM (gmeXX)

60 I've never understood why the Tea Party would want to "touch" SS.

What is so hard about understanding that SS is OUR FCUKING MONEY.

We earned it, the damn gubmint took it, we want it back like we were promised. Period. End of story. Saying the Tea Party is hypocritical over SS makes no damned sense. No damned sense at all.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 02, 2015 03:14 PM (7ObY1)


What was the flavor of that koolaid you drank, good sir or madam?

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 03:16 PM (h6Mpm)

61 It's time for the orange man to go...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 02, 2015 03:11 PM (Bn6aD)


Word.

Posted by: IRA at March 02, 2015 03:16 PM (0Ew3K)

62 Posted by: pep at March 02, 2015 03:13 PM (YXmuI)

But if Boehner is deposed, the lesson the establishment takes is that "Boehner was far too forgiving with these whackjob nutcase inbred rednecks from flyover country. He let them undermine his authority and couldn't get anything done. Time to bring in someone who has no problem bustin skulls and primarying TEA party types"

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 02, 2015 03:16 PM (AkOaV)

63 Go Orunj!

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at March 02, 2015 03:17 PM (66Sda)

64 Read the WSJ editorial today: "Squandering a GOP Majority".

Weak, tepid, ineffectual, long-serving denizens of Congress are bound like slaves to their indifference, self-preservation and the chains of their large donor overlords.

Republican leadership knows they need voters in order to stay in office, but have used those voters like a disposable resource.

It's wither going to destroy those calling themselves leaders or the party itself. Because the game is over.

Boehner is a big part of it because his instincts are horrible and tuned to save himself. Same for Turtle Man.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 02, 2015 03:17 PM (GGCsk)

65 Isn't Mitch McConnell the real problem? Harry Reid punks him at every turn and Mitch seems to believe appearing collegial is more important than stopping the ass pounding he's getting from Reid. McConnell put Reid in the situation he's in now by not calling Reid's bluff on the filibuster. HE needs to go.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 02, 2015 03:17 PM (i55o+)

66 Blandishment schmandishment.

Posted by: eleven at March 02, 2015 03:17 PM (Ae7K+)

67 Throw water on him

Works with Cheetos and witches

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 02, 2015 03:17 PM (zOTsN)

68 The crying cheeto needs to be keelhauled. period.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 02, 2015 03:18 PM (FMbng)

69 But he would, at least in theory, need to be eligible for President. Since he'd be #3 in the LOS.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:13 PM (rks47)


Nope.

In such a case, the Presidential succession jumps to the next office in line.

The Secretary of State is in the Presidential line of succession, but Albright was still allowed to be Sec. of State.

Posted by: The Hat of Succession at March 02, 2015 03:18 PM (0Ew3K)

70 Posted by: Citizen X at March 02, 2015 03:14 PM (7ObY1)

Because there is no money!

It's all been spent.

Cash went out, "intra government treasury bonds" (IOUs) went in.

So every dollar you "earned" that's "your money" is actually being funded by me and everyone else who works for a living!

Yay!!!

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 02, 2015 03:18 PM (AkOaV)

71 What is so hard about understanding that SS is OUR FCUKING MONEY.

No. It's not. And screaming that it is won't change it.

The US Government has been robbing the current workforce to pay for retiree's benefits since the beginning. The money going out in SS today is money taken from my paycheck today.

There is no account with my name it (nor yours). There is no accrual. There is no interest. It's all a lie.

Yes, you worked under a promise that that money was being set aside for you. I'm sorry, but the government lied.

And *someone* is going to have to take it in the shorts. The only questions are who, and when.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:18 PM (rks47)

72 Boehner went along with it. If you're the Speaker, you're supposed to be able to think a few steps ahead. These guys always seem to be baffled about what happened last month.

>>Boehner passed a bill that defunded the parts of DHS we wanted defunded. It is McConnell's job to get it passed the Senate, not Boehner.

>>All McConnell had to do was nuke the filibuster for which he had very recent precedent thanks to Dirty Harry.

Neither has covered themselves in glory so far but this one is on McConnell.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2015 03:18 PM (g1DWB)

73 Some cry into their liquor. Others cry into their beer.

I say why choose just one?

Posted by: Boehner's Boehnerisms at March 02, 2015 03:18 PM (BrQrN)

74 Maybe the turtle will get in step if he sees the Cheeto was liquidated

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 02, 2015 03:19 PM (zOTsN)

75 Blandishments. O Brother Where Art Thou:

"He'll join us, run our campaign. Power, wealth... No one says no to Pappy O'Daniel."
"Not with his blandishments. And powers of persuasion."


Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 02, 2015 03:19 PM (xq1UY)

76 Well that worked out poorly.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2015 03:19 PM (g1DWB)

77 What is so hard about understanding that SS is OUR FCUKING MONEY. We earned it, the damn gubmint took it, we want it back like we were promised. Period. End of story. Saying the Tea Party is hypocritical over SS makes no damned sense. No damned sense at all.
Posted by: Citizen X

We're borrowing or printing 40% of what we're spending. Almost everyone who is drawing benefits is getting more than they ever put in, though I know that it had been left in private hands, it would have earned more.
SSDI is even worse, since many, if not most, never paid in at all. Add in illegals many of whom never paid, and you have a terrible pyramid scheme which can only continue by writing bullshit checks and promising to screw over future recipients.

like me.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 02, 2015 03:19 PM (Spluw)

78 Mitch seems to believe appearing collegial is more important than stopping the ass pounding he's getting from Reid.

*sighs in relief*


Posted by: Boy Scouts everywhere at March 02, 2015 03:20 PM (BrQrN)

79 The Speaker is #2.
I believe that the native born requirement is to run for the office.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 02, 2015 03:15 PM (Spluw)


Sorry, yes. I was counting the President as #1.

So either #2 (if you start with VP) or #3 (if you start with President).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:20 PM (rks47)

80 What is so hard about understanding that SS is OUR FCUKING MONEY.

This is Al Gore's "Lock box" nonsense all over again.

Social Security is a welfare program. There is nothing at all actuarial about it. It is dressed up in actuarial plumage, but it is a welfare program, funded out of the general revenue. The "payroll tax" is part of the plumage used to dishonestly sell the program to the American people.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 03:20 PM (h6Mpm)

81 That's not the sun setting over the National Mall. It's just him looking out the window.

Posted by: Mega at March 02, 2015 03:20 PM (hHFOx)

82
We earned it, the damn gubmint took it, we want it back like we were promised. Period.

The gubmint spent it. We're not getting it back. The gubmint has promised to steal it from our kids so they can pay us.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 02, 2015 03:20 PM (JtwS4)

83 I have friends who attended Alabama ("Roll Tide!") who enjoy reminding others that "friends don't let friends wear orange" - a dig at the Longhorns, the Volunteers, and Clemson.

As far as I'm concerned, it should also apply to tan-in-a-can.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at March 02, 2015 03:21 PM (iIzG7)

84 We need shed of Boner and Mitch the Bitch.

Posted by: maddogg at March 02, 2015 03:21 PM (xWW96)

85 I think Congress should be housed in a spare ICBM silo.

Just above an armed ICBM.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 02, 2015 03:21 PM (wtvvX)

86 So, while Mr. Netanyahu is at the podium tomorrow, a simple voice vote of acclimation should be held, to give him the job.


But he would, at least in theory, need to be eligible for President. Since he'd be #3 in the LOS.



Undocumented Dreamer.
Sorry, the Kenyan Pretender lowered the bar on citizenship.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2015 03:21 PM (Hmawh)

87 71 And *someone* is going to have to take it in the shorts. The only questions are who, and when.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:18 PM (rks47)

The 50%+ who stealing money from the fund through fraudulent SSDI need to take it in the shorts. Congress should simply repeal SSDI.

Posted by: Vic at March 02, 2015 03:21 PM (wlDny)

88 We need shed of Boner and Mitch the Bitch.
Posted by: maddogg at March 02, 2015 03:21 PM (xWW96)


And those in the Congress who really do back these two sumbitches.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 03:21 PM (h6Mpm)

89 Watching the leadership manage the DHS funding bill reminds me of
watching a man suffering a Grand Mal attack while skydiving for the
first time.


More like a bunch of retards trying to fuck a doorknob.

Posted by: Weirddave at March 02, 2015 03:22 PM (WvS3w)

90 I don't believe most polls but I can understand why smart people don't want them tinkering with SS. SS itself is doing fine, especially if they get to redeem all those IOUs that congress has spent.

Posted by: Vic at March 02, 2015 03:16 PM (wlDny)

Vic, my man...

SS has never worked as you describe. It is a pay-as-you-go system. They started paying out benefits on day 1. It's always been financed by the generation working and paying taxes to pay for the retired generation.

Nothing was ever saved. Excess cash that came in was given to the treasury (who are broke) in exchange for intra govt debt (which is worthless paper).

So basically you're demanding that I continue subsidizing your welfare program since you had to subsidize your parents... but the problem is, we eventually run out of suckers paying in and get too many people taking out, and still no one gives a shit that I have to pay in every month knowing damned well I never will see a cent from it.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 02, 2015 03:22 PM (AkOaV)

91 How can he get any lower than the pond-scum he is?

Posted by: Killerdog at March 02, 2015 03:22 PM (YUeWJ)

92 Go Orunj!


Go banana! - Ralph Wiggum

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet requests that whoever ticked off Elsa go and apologize right now! at March 02, 2015 03:22 PM (hLRSq)

93 72
Boehner went along with it. If you're the Speaker, you're supposed to be
able to think a few steps ahead. These guys always seem to be baffled
about what happened last month.



>>Boehner passed a bill that defunded the parts of DHS we
wanted defunded. It is McConnell's job to get it passed the Senate, not
Boehner.


Knowing full well that McConnell had neither the intent nor the interest in delivering on the promises he, Boehner, made about what Cromnibus would allow them to do.


>>All McConnell had to do was nuke the filibuster for which he had very recent precedent thanks to Dirty Harry.



Neither has covered themselves in glory so far but this one is on McConnell.


I absolutely agree. My disgust with Boehner in no way exonerates McConnell.

Posted by: pep at March 02, 2015 03:22 PM (YXmuI)

94 What is so hard about understanding that SS is OUR FCUKING MONEY.

This is Al Gore's "Lock box" nonsense all over again.

Social Security is a welfare program. There is nothing at all actuarial about it. It is dressed up in actuarial plumage, but it is a welfare program, funded out of the general revenue. The "payroll tax" is part of the plumage used to dishonestly sell the program to the American people.

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You're both right. It is absolutely welfare - and the Supreme Court has said you have no right to any promised future earnings. But it was never sold that way and continues to not be sold that way. Because if it were, it would be much more difficult to defend it. So you are right it is welfare, but 90% of the population doesn't see it that way (which is my estimate).

Posted by: SH at March 02, 2015 03:22 PM (gmeXX)

95 Captain Orange-Aid was out walking the parapet.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at March 02, 2015 03:22 PM (X+nFp)

96 The 50%+ who stealing money from the fund through fraudulent SSDI need to take it in the shorts. Congress should simply repeal SSDI.
Posted by: Vic at March 02, 2015 03:21 PM (wlDny)

Sure, but thats a rounding error compared to the overall SS budget.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 02, 2015 03:22 PM (AkOaV)

97 I seem to recall that statutes exist to the effect, that any "non-eligible" person holding a Line of Succession office, is simply passed-by to the next in line, should that circumstance transpire.

Faded memory, but I think it goes back to when Kissinger was at Nixon's right hand, and being considered for Secretary of State.

My memory may be faulty on this one though. I only recall that these discussions go back to when the 25th Amendment was a new thing.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 02, 2015 03:23 PM (RzZOc)

98 In such a case, the Presidential succession jumps to the next office in line.

So you're saying it would just jump over the Speaker if he didn't meet the requirements? Or would he become President, but just not be eligible to be elected?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:23 PM (rks47)

99 Largest House majority since Abe Vigoda was a kid. Hey, let's be accommodating and timid. Because we know that Pelosi would do the same with Scott Walker, right?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 02, 2015 03:23 PM (659DL)

100 **singing, spinning around with arms outstretched**

The Hills are alive,
And not for dying!!!

Posted by: John Boehner at March 02, 2015 03:23 PM (OVx7B)

101 Posted by: SH at March 02, 2015 03:22 PM (gmeXX)

Well 90% of the population can shut the hell up about SS then, because I don't want to hear about it if they wont be honest about what it is

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 02, 2015 03:23 PM (AkOaV)

102 Show me a competent conservative waiting in the wings to be Speaker and you may have a point. But if Boehner get's knocked out, you are guaranteed to have either A) Kevin McCarthy or B) Steve Scalise as Speaker. Read this blog long enough and you know that McCarthy is a squish and Scalise can't manage a conference, let alone the House. So, I've got to ask: what's your alternative? Trey Gowdy isn't interested. Jim Jordan isn't interested. Cathy McMorris-Rodgers? Maybe interested. Great optics. Maybe would have the sense to avoid this kind of nightmare in the first place.

But here's an important issue that I think a lot of people miss about Boehner. Maybe it's his Boehnerism. The man is a creature of the institution, very much like McConnell. They believe in the institution of the House (or Senate) and how it is designed to work. Trouble is, it hasn't worked like that for a decade. But they believe in the ideal of the "House working its will" or the Senate doing the same. So they try for it. And Boehner let's his caucus freewheel all over the road, possibly intoxicated, but certainly between the white and yellow lines. On the road, moving forward generally, but dangerously swerving from side to side in pursuit of an objective. That's why we have this poorly executed plan. Because Boehner wants to let the House "work its will" so he lets these half-baked ideas get traction and run through to the floor. Because enough of the base thinks that since the angels and Ted Cruz are on their side, the circumstances will change and we'll get our "win" eventually. Boehner let's them touch the stove. Again and again and again. I agree it's weakened his leadership. And he's a poor leader to let us get into this spot in the first place. But the man believes in the institution. And he thinks the institution needs to have room for all 435 voices. It's an insane way to govern or lead. But I really think it's unfair to say that this guy is selling out to the Establishment. He's weak because he lets 30 guys get a say in things because they demand their way. I think he needs to stop doing that. But it's not on account of his deference to the "Establishment." It's on account of his deference to the House.

Posted by: Barry G. at March 02, 2015 03:23 PM (xQvFm)

103
Hey,, I got cha about 5.5" X a quarter worth of crooked Boehnerism right here....

Posted by: Bill Clinton at March 02, 2015 03:23 PM (HSmrB)

104 By the way, I can't stand Boehner or Turtle Man. I would indeed like to see them both replaced.

But you have to replace them with someone strong and able to hold together the conference. Someone willing to be punitive for people who do not maintain discipline.

But that's a dangerous game to play.

Look at the conservative now complaining that Boehner is demoting them and taking away plums positions.

But isn't that what leadership should do? I think so.

So it's not the actions Boehner is taking, but more so the decisions he is making which caused those defections.

This is an important distinction: between the decisions a leader makes and the actions they take in response to revolt.

If you don't maintain discipline, you have anarchy. You will always have unpopular (with someone) decisions. But you don't want the response to be a bunch of blathering idiots on MSNBC every time they don't agree.

That's why Democrats have made so many gains. They, like it or not, have a disciplined approach.

Like fanatics? Sure. But it's worked`

Posted by: Marcus T at March 02, 2015 03:24 PM (GGCsk)

105
Because when the language is hijacked/distorted, all that follows is irrelevant.

(not attacking you, ace)

"political damage from a shut-down" - the unicorn for those who don't know their history AND who don't seem to consider the logic of it all. Shut-downs have no clear record of damage to anyone in particular, whoever is (mis) portrayed as the "villain". A shut-down (partially, of one agency) on behalf of a wildly popular issue (NOT granting amnesty)is an extremely implausible candidate for "damage" to the GOP. Logic of it all - if a "shut-down" is sufficient to prevent an opposition party from doing, really, anything at all, then there is effectively no opposition party. In this case, as ludicrous unconstitutional misrule is also the issue, there is effectively no co-equal branch of govt.

"populist" - nothing "populist" - at lest in the most commonly understood sense, which normally carries a hint of disreputable mob mentality with it, about opposing amnesty. Leaving aside the lawlessness and gross injustice aspects (themselves more than sufficient), it is the most obviously stupid and damaging thing we could do. Amnesty, will, guaranteed (mutatis mutandis with macro-economic trends), create a near-permanent inflow of unskilled labor from cultures even more alien to American liberty and rule of law than much of ours has become. Fiscal disaster, cultural disaster, labor market disaster, all of it unstoppable once immigration law for unskilled/Hispanic/unlawful illegal immigrants is more or less formally eliminated. Which, given the context of 1986 and the intervening 20 years, any amnesty now will be seen as (properly and rationally).

Posted by: rhomboid at March 02, 2015 03:24 PM (afQnV)

106
This is AWFUL.

McConnell is the bigger problem.

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.

If Boehner is ousted, his replacment will be more in line with McConnell.

Posted by: please dont squeeze the soothie at March 02, 2015 03:24 PM (omuEe)

107 At this point, a blind IT geek would be more effective as a speaker.

Posted by: Fritz at March 02, 2015 03:24 PM (dVmLD)

108 The Speaker is #2. I believe that the native born requirement is to run for the office. Posted by: Blue Hen at March 02, 2015 03:15 PM (Spluw) Sorry, yes. I was counting the President as #1. So either #2 (if you start with VP) or #3 (if you start with President).

I'd go with #2, since the President is just that; he isn't in the line of succession.
The only reason I'm being picky on this is that Delaware's own Joe Biden announced how he was #2 in line.

That miserable groping batard couldn't count to one without fucking up.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 02, 2015 03:24 PM (Spluw)

109 If Netanyahu doesn't give a shout out to Ferguson, racist.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 02, 2015 03:24 PM (2cS/G)

110 The 50%+ who stealing money from the fund through fraudulent SSDI need to take it in the shorts. Congress should simply repeal SSDI.

That would be a good start, but it would not change the fact that SS pays benefits out of current revenue. Even if SSDI were completely abolished tomorrow, SS would be a ponzi scheme.

It would be a ponzi scheme further away from collapsing under its own weight (as they all eventually do), but it would still be a ponzi scheme.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:25 PM (rks47)

111 ut I really think it's unfair to say that this guy is selling out to the Establishment.

He *is* the Establishment.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 02, 2015 03:25 PM (evdj2)

112 You're both right. It is absolutely welfare - and the Supreme Court has said you have no right to any promised future earnings.



Fuck the Supremes. SS isn't "future" earnings.
SS is PAST earnings stolen at threat of gunpoint.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2015 03:25 PM (Hmawh)

113 Much like McConnell, we hear a lot of talk about how hard the Speaker's job is, and how Boehner has done the best he can (I'm looking at you, Coulter and Kevin Williamson). No one ever examines that cliched excuse. What special talents does he bring to the table that let him achieve a better "best he can" than someone else ? What metric is being used to measure "the best he can" ? I've never seen any breakdown of any negotiation he's been involved in that demonstrated how he handled things well, much less especially well, nor how any alternative policy or person would have been "worse." It's an article of establishment partisan faith, taken on the word of Top Men Who Know Better Than You Yahoos. Show me, don't tell me for once.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 02, 2015 03:25 PM (QKIQb)

114 The Speaker is #2.
I believe that the native born requirement is to run for the office.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 02, 2015 03:15 PM (Spluw)

Sorry, yes. I was counting the President as #1.

So either #2 (if you start with VP) or #3 (if you start with President).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:20 PM (rks47)


Order of succession:

Vice-President
Speaker of the House
President pro Tempore of the Senate
The cabinet in order of precedence of office (i.e. first the Sec. of State, Sec. of Treas., and so on to Sec. of DHS)

Aside from requirements of the Vice-President having the same qualification as President, none of the other offices bars an immigrant from holding said office... if the succession fall on their office and they are ineligible, it moves to the next office.

Posted by: The Hat of Succession at March 02, 2015 03:25 PM (0Ew3K)

115 90 Nothing was ever saved. Excess cash that came in was
given to the treasury (who are broke) in exchange for intra govt debt
(which is worthless paper).



So basically you're demanding that I continue subsidizing your
welfare program since you had to subsidize your parents... but the
problem is, we eventually run out of suckers paying in and get too many
people taking out, and still no one gives a shit that I have to pay in
every month knowing damned well I never will see a cent from it.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 02, 2015 03:22 PM (AkOaV)

They did that "stealing" through putting so-called IOUs in the treasury for SS. I recommend you dig up FDR's rotted corpse and hold it hostage from his heirs to get your money back.

Posted by: Vic at March 02, 2015 03:25 PM (wlDny)

116 Well 90% of the population can shut the hell up about SS then, because I don't want to hear about it if they wont be honest about what it is

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This is a case where I don't necessarily fault the public. They have been sold this lie since the get go. Its one reason, why I am in favor of means-testing SS even though I think it will basically mean that I am means-tested out of it. I think once you start means-testing it it will start to look more like welfare to people (and I hope its support will fade).

Posted by: SH at March 02, 2015 03:25 PM (gmeXX)

117 A Boner after all is still just a Dick.

Posted by: Killerdog at March 02, 2015 03:25 PM (YUeWJ)

118 Neither has covered themselves in glory so far but this one is on McConnell.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2015 03:18 PM (g1DWB)


---------------------------------------


As much as the turtle sucks the pederast's ass, it makes me wonder if the turtle has a secret basement.

Posted by: Soona at March 02, 2015 03:25 PM (/HX7u)

119 Boner and The Turtle are worthless traitors. "Theater" is exactly what they are giving us.

And those palaces on the Potomac should go, too. They don't deserve them, and no one should aspire to them.

Posted by: despair at March 02, 2015 03:26 PM (J6suc)

120 52 The Speaker doesn't need to be a Member of Congress. So, while Mr. Netanyahu is at the podium tomorrow, a simple voice vote of acclimation should be held, to give him the job. But he would, at least in theory, need to be eligible for President. Since he'd be #3 in the LOS.

The Speaker is #2.
I believe that the native born requirement is to run for the office.
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 02, 2015 03:15 PM (Spluw)


No it's not. You do know that Madeline Albright was not US born and yet she was Secretary of State. And that would be number 4 in succession. If they don't meet the requirements for president then they are skipped over.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 02, 2015 03:26 PM (z/Ubi)

121 Well. I hate to say it but Boehner invited Netanyahu and didn't cave. If the turtle were ousted who would replace him.

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 02, 2015 03:27 PM (zOTsN)

122 Part of what I do not want to see is Brutus and Cassius talking about how they are going to knife Cesar because of all the bad stuff he does.

I also do not wish to engage in discussion of who gets to be Emperor after Cesar is dead.

Knife him, and knife him good. Then let's get on to the business of what comes after. Until then, we're just standing around holding our own puds.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2015 03:27 PM (TOk1P)

123 I'd pay good money for actual cats on ice.

Posted by: Chupacabras at March 02, 2015 03:27 PM (XiVKO)

124 96 Sure, but thats a rounding error compared to the overall SS budget.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 02, 2015 03:22 PM (AkOaV)


I suggest you go over to Heritage and find their graphs on it. It is not a "rounding error".

Posted by: Vic at March 02, 2015 03:27 PM (wlDny)

125 So. I have to get my hopes up that this time, this one time we promise, those trying to oust Boehner will get those cats herded ahead of time?

Good thing I've pretty much decided to go full Atkins already.

Posted by: alexthechick - Mmm pizza tower at March 02, 2015 03:27 PM (mf5HN)

126 There is no electibility clause for the President - it is an eligiblity clause. Someone who does not meet the eligibility requirements would not be able to serve even if they were in the line of succession.

Posted by: SH at March 02, 2015 03:28 PM (gmeXX)

127 10 Ace, can we use For the Birds now? I thought such harsh language was on a need-to-use basis only.
Posted by: Heralder at March 02, 2015 03:08 PM (/Mxso)


Almost as bad as "jiminy Christmas" and "son of a peach basket."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 02, 2015 03:28 PM (CMkNk)

128 Yeah, changing the Speaker of the House will fix the GOP/Federal Govt.

Posted by: Mandeville at March 02, 2015 03:28 PM (klYSh)

129 128 Yeah, changing the Speaker of the House will fix the GOP/Federal Govt.
Posted by: Mandeville at March 02, 2015 03:28 PM (klYSh)


Eric Cantor. Tanned, rested and ready.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 02, 2015 03:28 PM (CMkNk)

130 I'd pay good money for actual cats on ice.


Posted by: Chupacabras at March 02, 2015 03:27 PM (XiVKO)


How about in carbonite?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet requests that whoever ticked off Elsa go and apologize right now! at March 02, 2015 03:28 PM (hLRSq)

131 Fuck the Supremes. SS isn't "future" earnings.
SS is PAST earnings stolen at threat of gunpoint.

-----

Well I think they were just taxes taken from you under a different name - but I get the sentiment.

Posted by: SH at March 02, 2015 03:28 PM (gmeXX)

132 If the turtle were ousted who would replace him.

I would give three fingers from my left hand for Jeff Sessions to be the Majority Leader of the Senate.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 02, 2015 03:29 PM (evdj2)

133
Second look at a Barracks and mid-sized office building for Congress?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:09 PM (rks47)



Tanned, rested, and ready!

Posted by: An abandoned warehouse in Baltimore at March 02, 2015 03:29 PM (XMDuf)

134 If you seriously think that Boehner would court the displeasure of both sides for the sake of having a neato balcony with a fantastic view, then you're a moron. Not a Moron. Just a moron.

Posted by: Demosthenes at March 02, 2015 03:29 PM (kNw9i)

135 Can we still say "jumpin Jehosephat?"

Posted by: eleven at March 02, 2015 03:29 PM (Ae7K+)

136 They did that "stealing" through putting so-called IOUs in the treasury for SS. I recommend you dig up FDR's rotted corpse and hold it hostage from his heirs to get your money back.
Posted by: Vic at March 02, 2015 03:25 PM (wlDny)

But even if congress had left the excess cash in a bank account with "SOCIAL SECURITY" written on it, it would still be a ponzi scheme.

Think about it: they started paying out benefits on day 1. That means the first 20 years of people who received pay outs had paid in little to nothing. That continued every single generation -- paying in little, getting out a lot.

There was no compound interest or anything else involved. They just simply raised the FICA tax whenever they needed more money from current workers to appease retired workers.

There has never been a "trust fund" with money in it anywhere. On good years, extra money went to the treasury, on bad years who gives a shit as long as it covers current pay outs?

But there is no way to make that system actuarially sound.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 02, 2015 03:30 PM (AkOaV)

137 This is AWFUL. McConnell is the bigger problem. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. If Boehner is ousted, his replacment will be more in line with McConnell.
Posted by: please dont squeeze the soothie at March 02, 2015 03:24 PM (omuEe)


------------------------------------------


Yup. Nancy Pelosi. Tanned, rested, and lubed.

Posted by: Soona at March 02, 2015 03:30 PM (/HX7u)

138
If you think there are more of Yous and not more McConnell-types in the House, youre wrong.

Conservatives dont have the muscle to oust Boehner, but the Squishes surely do.

MCCONNELL IS OUR BIG PROBLEM.

Posted by: please dont squeeze the soothie at March 02, 2015 03:30 PM (omuEe)

139
Barry G.- huh?

Substance. Substance. Policy. Results. Not process.

The minority in the caucus, properly and rationally, abhor adopting or acquiescing in policies that are unconstitutional, and incredily stupid and damaging. Period. Substance. Policy. Result. The majority of the caucus and all the leadership are just fine with this universally unpopular, unconstitutional, and incredibly stupid and damaging policy (amnesty).

Not a question of little process details or style or "leadership". Problem is that actual policy.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 02, 2015 03:30 PM (afQnV)

140 We live in the Action Chick age where Women Are Just As Strong As Men. At least in the movies. But many people actually believe that.

Here's some actual data. Male/females differences are actually quite huge.

Only 10% of women have stronger grip strength than the bottom 5% of men. http://www.unz.com/gnxp/men-are-stronger-than-women-on-average/

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 02, 2015 03:30 PM (ZPrif)

141 Orange is the new flaccid.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 02, 2015 03:30 PM (JtwS4)

142 NY Slime trying to mau mau Roberts with a story about Obama Care SC case.


It's an fake argument to them. Words don't matter if you didn't notice them.



That's basically their editorial. No one really believes they wrote that in the law, it must have just been an oversight.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 02, 2015 03:30 PM (0FSuD)

143 Throughout his career and up to the moment of his death, Lord Admiral Horatio Nelson would often astound his contemporaries with his tactical and strategic brilliance, the full picture of which would not often be visible until the battle or campaign was fully underway or even over. Nelson was one of those extremely rare commanders and thinkers who could conceptualize conflict both temporally and spatially, from big picture to small, in nearly every aspect.

By complete contrast, Boehner is no Lord Admiral Nelson. That he would and could be tactically and strategically defeated by the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama is a testament to his gross incompetence. Get rid of him. Get rid of him now.

Posted by: troyriser at March 02, 2015 03:30 PM (f56b1)

144 Well. I hate to say it but Boehner invited Netanyahu and didn't cave. If the turtle were ousted who would replace him.

----

That's nice and all, and I do like to see some pushback by Congress against the executive. But I'd prefer seeing actual constitutional pushback - no lawsuits of dubious merit - not speaker invitations - but actual real assertions of power under the Constitution.

Posted by: SH at March 02, 2015 03:30 PM (gmeXX)

145 127 10 Ace, can we use For the Birds now? I thought such harsh language was on a need-to-use basis only.
Posted by: Heralder at March 02, 2015 03:08 PM (/Mxso)


Almost as bad as "jiminy Christmas" and "son of a peach basket."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 02, 2015 03:28 PM (CMkNk)


I think "fiddlesticks" is probably still beyond the pale though.

"Beyond the pale" may be beyond the pale, too, come to think of it.

Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 03:30 PM (h6Mpm)

146 141
Orange is the new flaccid.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 02, 2015 03:30 PM (JtwS4)

Yeah, but 5 1/2 inches of orange will go a long way

Posted by: Good ole Bill Clinton at March 02, 2015 03:31 PM (0FSuD)

147 65 >> Isn't Mitch McConnell the real problem?

He's the biggest problem right now; it's embarrassing to watch him tongue lave Dingy's balls. But he's been on top for just a few months while Boner has had the gavel for 4+ years -- 4+ years of FAIL.

To me, it's both of them and their lack of keeping their ****ing word. The DHS funding was split out from the rest of the appropriations so that they would stop amnesty THEN and THERE. Do these guys even remember that plan?

As Yoda would say, there is no try; do, or not do. And not do ain't on the list, buddies.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 02, 2015 03:31 PM (SWpRk)

148 If we had a general strike of all producers Boehner stepping down would be one of my demands, along with full repeal of Obamacare. That is not all I want but it would probably be best to have only a couple of demands for the first round.

Posted by: PaleRider at March 02, 2015 03:31 PM (dkExz)

149 Wait, are we back to not using the swears?

Oh my stars and garters, my delicate and innocent and virtuous being is ever so delighted to hear that such harsh terms shall not be employed in this environment.

Posted by: alexthechick - Mmm pizza tower at March 02, 2015 03:32 PM (mf5HN)

150
If you seriously think that Boehner would court the displeasure of both
sides for the sake of having a neato balcony with a fantastic view, then
you're a moron. Not a Moron. Just a moron.

Posted by: Demosthenes at March 02, 2015 03:29 PM (kNw9i)


You have a better theory, genius? What does the man stand for, other than his own personal aggrandizement?

Please don't tell me he is holding fast against the great and powerful forces of evil. Remember, you called everyone else morons. Show us your brilliance. Please, we're all waiting.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2015 03:32 PM (TOk1P)

151 If Providence has delivered unto us Boehner, we might as well give up.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at March 02, 2015 03:32 PM (/Ho8c)

152
Yup. Nancy Pelosi. Tanned, rested, and lubed.

Posted by: Soona at March 02, 2015 03:30 PM (/HX7u)

..............................................

I'd hit it.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 02, 2015 03:32 PM (HSmrB)

153 Think about it: they started paying out benefits on day 1. That means
the first 20 years of people who received pay outs had paid in little to
nothing. That continued every single generation -- paying in little,
getting out a lot.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 02, 2015 03:30 PM (AkOaV)



Wrong-o, at least in my case. If I live to be 80, which given all my medical problems is a serious doubt, I will not get back half of what me and my employers put into the system.

Posted by: Vic at March 02, 2015 03:32 PM (wlDny)

154 If your Boehnerism lasts longer than three terms, you might want to call your representative.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 02, 2015 03:32 PM (Y92Nd)

155 Wait, are we back to not using the swears?

Fuck that.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:32 PM (rks47)

156 Oh my stars and garters, my delicate and innocent and virtuous being is ever so delighted to hear that such harsh terms shall not be employed in this environment.
Posted by: alexthechick - Mmm pizza tower

uh....atc said "garters"........ brb

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 02, 2015 03:32 PM (Spluw)

157 The same criticism obviously applies to Boehner. There is no "Boehnerism," no coherent "Boehner Agenda,"

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I am not well-versed in the histories of the speakers of the house. Are their speakerships in which the speaker had an actual agenda that he was able to push through?

Posted by: SH at March 02, 2015 03:32 PM (gmeXX)

158 Sometimes, this place is full of baloney. Or was it liverwurst?

Posted by: Marcus T at March 02, 2015 03:32 PM (GGCsk)

159 106 This is AWFUL.
McConnell is the bigger problem.
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.
If Boehner is ousted, his replacment will be more in line with McConnell.
Posted by: please dont squeeze the soothie
_______________

I get where you're coming from, but I think the figurative executions of GOP "leaders" can only have a beneficial training effect. Conservative base, two-by-four, mule. Some assembly required.

Posted by: Furious George at March 02, 2015 03:33 PM (UlJ3l)

160 I gotta Boehner Agenda right here in my pants...

Posted by: Boehner at March 02, 2015 03:33 PM (84oau)

161 Don't toss him overboard until I've finished my Official Portrait...I'm having trouble getting the skin tone just right.

Posted by: Nelson "Muntz" Shanks at March 02, 2015 03:33 PM (hKyl0)

162 "Beyond the pale" may be beyond the pale, too, come to think of it.

Probably RAYCISS, unless you can explain how it actually demeans the People of No Color.

Posted by: HR needs cheeseburgers at March 02, 2015 03:33 PM (/kI1Q)

163 If you seriously think that Boehner would court the displeasure of both sides for the sake of having a neato balcony with a fantastic view, then you're a moron. Not a Moron. Just a moron.

You know nothing of my work.

Posted by: Metaphor at March 02, 2015 03:33 PM (evdj2)

164 I suggest you go over to Heritage and find their graphs on it. It is not a "rounding error".
Posted by: Vic at March 02, 2015 03:27 PM (wlDny)

Look, that's not my point.

Think of the payroll tax and SS as different beasts (which they are) that were presented together to spin a false narrative.

SS has always existed by taking money out my paycheck on Friday and sending it to grandpas welfare check on Monday.

So I mean, you "paid in to it" in the same way I pay in to the treasury every year with my income taxes. But I hardly think I'm going to see any of that money ever again.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 02, 2015 03:33 PM (AkOaV)

165 "political damage from a shut-down" - the unicorn for those who don't
know their history AND who don't seem to consider the logic of it all"

Yep - another article of faith.

The only thing we know is that post "shutdown," the GOP made big gains in 2014.

The argument that "the shutdown still damaged the GOP despite 2014's electoral results" is like the story of the witchdoctor hired to stop a hurrican who says, after the village is leveled "imagine how much worse it would have been if I hadn't been here." It's cargo-cultish results-first reasoning.

The only people I know who were hacked off at the GOP over the "shutdown" were people who will never vote for anyone to the Right of Jeb Bush or Jon Hunstman anyway.

How many persuadable voters do you think the Right might have among those who believe a 16 day paid furlough for <20% of government workers is tantamount to treason, a harbinger of economic ruin or a more serious risk to national security than our impending Europeanization and bankruptcy?

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 02, 2015 03:33 PM (QKIQb)

166 Yes, everybody's surprised we are getting drilled by a Boehner...

Posted by: Marcus T at March 02, 2015 03:33 PM (GGCsk)

167 Wrong-o, at least in my case.

And mine. But all those women your age who worked part-time as a lunch lady for one year so they could qualify are making out like bandits.

Posted by: HR needs cheeseburgers at March 02, 2015 03:34 PM (/kI1Q)

168 This Boehnerism is going to get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 02, 2015 03:34 PM (8ZskC)

169 35 Eh, I put this screw up at the feet of McConnell. The House passed a bill that took out funding for Obama's illegal amnesty crap but McConnell couldn't get it done in the Senate.

They always fail. Always. Just like every act by Obama is against the interests of the US, their orchestrated failures are no accident.

Posted by: despair at March 02, 2015 03:34 PM (J6suc)

170 By complete contrast, Boehner is no Lord Admiral Nelson.



He's not even up to Horatio Caine.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2015 03:35 PM (Hmawh)

171 121 Well. I hate to say it but Boehner invited Netanyahu and didn't cave. If the turtle were ousted who would replace him.
Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 02, 2015 03:27 PM (zOTsN)


Yeah that's all well and good but in the scheme of things that is basically worthless. That's not sticking your neck out on a policy. That's not being a leader in the house. It's the right thing to do but when that's just about the only right thing you've done it's pretty pathetic.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 02, 2015 03:35 PM (z/Ubi)

172
How come one of our largest and most successful states, Texas, has a legislature that meets only every other year?

Posted by: Bruce J. at March 02, 2015 03:35 PM (iQIUe)

173 MCCONNELL IS OUR BIG PROBLEM.
Posted by: please dont squeeze the soothie at March 02, 2015 03:30 PM (omuEe)


------------------------------------------


They both are. Plus the added conclave of progressive repubs in congress. Yeah, Juan M. and Miss Lindsey, I looking at you.

But I agree. The turtle is the bigger problem.

Posted by: Soona at March 02, 2015 03:35 PM (/HX7u)

174 Wrong-o, at least in my case. If I live to be 80, which given all my medical problems is a serious doubt, I will not get back half of what me and my employers put into the system.

Posted by: Vic at March 02, 2015 03:32 PM (wlDny)

Looks like 2011 (http://tinyurl.com/m25rlmj) was when we crossed that threshold, based on average numbers.

So I don't know if you're retired or not, but if you aren't then yeah, welcome to the club.

If you are, then I think (statistically at least) you should be ahead of the game.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 02, 2015 03:35 PM (AkOaV)

175 How come one of our largest and most successful states, Texas, has a legislature that meets only every other year?

Coincidence? I think not.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 02, 2015 03:36 PM (evdj2)

176 McConnell's gone in 2016 with the senate majority at the rate they're going. I always suspected Boehner's been making deals with the devil to run unopposed.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 02, 2015 03:36 PM (Y92Nd)

177 All this is wasted hot air anyway. (or hot electrons).



We have no Party and nothing will get done until we get full bore up the ass Monty DOOM.


I'll go back to my book.

Posted by: Vic at March 02, 2015 03:36 PM (wlDny)

178 145 I think "fiddlesticks" is probably still beyond the pale though.

"Beyond the pale" may be beyond the pale, too, come to think of it.
Posted by: filbert at March 02, 2015 03:30 PM (h6Mpm)


"Fiddley-douch-ah." Have no idea how to spell it but often heard on Warner Brothers cartoons, specifically Porky Pig.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 02, 2015 03:36 PM (CMkNk)

179
You know, it's within our power to start a formidable grassroots campaign to remove McConnell. We can at least TRY to send a goddam message.

Posted by: please dont squeeze the soothie at March 02, 2015 03:36 PM (omuEe)

180 I'd hit it.





Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 02, 2015 03:32 PM (HSmrB)

Again?

Posted by: Good ole Bill Clinton at March 02, 2015 03:36 PM (0FSuD)

181 How come one of our largest and most successful states, Texas, has a legislature that meets only every other year?

We know the mischief they could get up to if they met more frequently.

That's also part of the reasoning behind 0-based budgets and a required balanced budget every 2 years. It takes them most of the session just to get the budget hashed out. That gives them minimum time to get up to other mischief.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:37 PM (rks47)

182
Jeez, McConnell and Boehner make Bob Michel look like George S. Patton.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 02, 2015 03:38 PM (CMkNk)

183 136 They did that "stealing" through putting so-called IOUs in the treasury for SS. I recommend you dig up FDR's rotted corpse and hold it hostage from his heirs to get your money back.
Posted by: Vic at March 02, 2015 03:25 PM (wlDny)

But even if congress had left the excess cash in a bank account with "SOCIAL SECURITY" written on it, it would still be a ponzi scheme.
_____________________

Whoa! You mean there's not really a lockbox?

Posted by: Al Gore and Barack Obama, looking at each other in puzzlement at March 02, 2015 03:38 PM (UlJ3l)

184 How come one of our largest and most successful states, Texas, has a legislature that meets only every other year?



It was that or shoot them.

They chose wisely.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2015 03:38 PM (Hmawh)

185 I'm about ready to have Nancy back. Almost. And, to think I thought the firing of Reid would make, at least, a small difference.

Posted by: Ever at March 02, 2015 03:38 PM (QZdJj)

186 This is a case where I don't necessarily fault the public. They have
been sold this lie since the get go. Its one reason, why I am in favor
of means-testing SS even though I think it will basically mean that I am
means-tested out of it. I think once you start means-testing it it
will start to look more like welfare to people (and I hope its support
will fade).


If you can gin up support for bringing in means testing as a class warfare issue, ie, "Why should the rich get SS money, they don't need it!" you might just get somewhere.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 02, 2015 03:38 PM (UVfht)

187 Who would replace Boehner? McConnell? Honestly does anyone here think their replacements would have done one single thing differently, anyone?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 02, 2015 03:38 PM (4oSLk)

188 34
The Speaker doesn't need to be a Member of Congress.


Mark Steyn. For the win.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at March 02, 2015 03:38 PM (zllbf)

189 Retreat!
Retreat!!

Posted by: General Mitch McTurtle at March 02, 2015 03:38 PM (hKyl0)

190 You know, it's within our power to start a formidable grassroots campaign to remove McConnell.


*checks internet speed*
*dusts keyboard*
*dons helmet and goggles*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 02, 2015 03:39 PM (8ZskC)

191 In such a case, the Presidential succession jumps to the next office in line.

So you're saying it would just jump over the Speaker if he didn't meet the requirements? Or would he become President, but just not be eligible to be elected?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:23 PM (rks47)


It would jump over, until such disability in the higher office is resolved.

For example, if the Speaker is 34 years old, then he or she could not take office and the job would move onto the Pres. pro Tem.

Once the Speaker turns 35, it is possible that the Pres. pro Tem. is automatically removed and replaced by the Speaker... Unless the Pres. Pro. Tem. appoints a new Veep who is approved by Congress.

Of course, once a Speaker or Pres. pro Tem. becomes President, they are no longer Speaker or Pres. pro Tem., which means they are no longer eligible to exercise the office, which forms a paradox.

The succession after Veep only says they "exercise" the office of President. Before the 25th Amendment, that same applied to the Veep assuming the Presidency, though in that case the abomve mentioned problems and paradoxes didn't apply.

More on that here:

http://tinyurl.com/pawcy6x

Posted by: The Hat of Succession at March 02, 2015 03:39 PM (0Ew3K)

192 Why does everyone say Boehner's skin is orange. Looks normal to me.

Posted by: Charlie Crist at March 02, 2015 03:39 PM (OD2ni)

193 179
You know, it's within our power to start a formidable grassroots campaign to remove McConnell. We can at least TRY to send a goddam message.
Posted by: please dont squeeze the soothie at March 02, 2015 03:36 PM (omuEe)


If only the Tea Party knew back in 2010 exactly who to protest.

First mission is to defeat the GOP, either by taking it back or taking it down. Only then do we stand a remote chance of reversing course nationally.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 02, 2015 03:39 PM (CMkNk)

194 "We get all the pain of the media attacks on us for daring to oppose President Precious Perfect without actually opposing President Precious Perfect."

^^^^^
This.

With the heat of a thousand exploding suns.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 02, 2015 03:39 PM (noWW6)

195 "Are their speakerships in which the speaker had an actual agenda that he was able to push through?"

Looking at Boehner's immediate predecessors - Pelosi, Gingrich, Jim Wright (the guy who told HW "eat my lips") and Tip O'Neil all have much more legislative accomplishment. Hastert and Foley were nothing extraordinary, but were certainly no less accomplished than the Not So Great Pumpkin.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 02, 2015 03:40 PM (QKIQb)

196 If a GOPe aide insults Jordan by calling him an asshole, does that make the aide a Jordan ribber?

Posted by: andycanuck at March 02, 2015 03:40 PM (2KB+E)

197 183 Whoa! You mean there's not really a lockbox?
Posted by: Al Gore and Barack Obama, looking at each other in puzzlement at March 02, 2015 03:38 PM (UlJ3l)


In Islam, box lock you!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 02, 2015 03:40 PM (CMkNk)

198 The Speaker doesn't need to be a Member of Congress.

Or Brian Dennehy.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at March 02, 2015 03:40 PM (zllbf)

199 @47 in re: SS is our money, the govt took it, and we want it back

SS is two things by the bill that created it and the Supreme Court decision that upheld it. The first is a tax program. This was created by one chapter of the law (maybe ch.2). The second is a welfare program, which was created by an entirely different and utterly separate chapter (ch. 8, maybe).

The USSC upheld the legislation only because the tax program does not depend on the welfare program, and the welfare program does not depend on the tax program.

Roosevelt's shithead justice department argued in court very specifically that they were two separate programs.

Why? His political people sure didn't sell it that way (remind you of anything recent?)

Because Congress is permitted to create a tax program, and Congress is permitted to create a spending program. However, Congress is not permitted to create a program that confiscates money from one person (a youngish worker) and earmark it for another person (an older person).

I believe that they tried that a year or so earlier and got shot down in the USSC. So they separated the two things.

You have been lied to about SS your whole life. The SS payroll tax is just another federal income tax. The money goes into the general fund, not somewhere safeguarded and special.

The SS welfare program is just another welfare program. Like all the rest of them.

You think that the govt has "borrowed" your money, and that you have an "IOU" from them to get it back later when you get a case of the olds. You actually believe that the govt is your buddy in this case.

That would be really cute, if it weren't so thoroughly destructive and dishonest. You were taxed. Your money is gone. Get over it.

Roosevelt turned us all into welfare bums. Put the whole country on the dole. And most everyone acts like it is a good thing.

Posted by: revolting peasant at March 02, 2015 03:41 PM (UEx3q)

200 Nothing will change. No need to assemble the circular firing squad

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 02, 2015 03:41 PM (zOTsN)

201 Posted by: dfbaskwill at March 02, 2015 03:38 PM (zllbf)

I think they have to be American though.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at March 02, 2015 03:41 PM (glJL/)

202 Whoa! You mean there's not really a lockbox?


There is, but its full of IOUs and a pile of Biden's empty juiceboxes.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 02, 2015 03:42 PM (8ZskC)

203 199 Posted by: revolting peasant at March 02, 2015 03:41 PM (UEx3q)


THIS.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 02, 2015 03:42 PM (CMkNk)

204 Who wants hot chocolate?

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 02, 2015 03:42 PM (zOTsN)

205 No need to assemble the circular firing squadPosted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 02, 2015 03:41 PM (zOTsN)ah man!!we're so good at that

Posted by: The Republicans at March 02, 2015 03:42 PM (W6iIX)

206
Are their speakerships in which the speaker had an actual agenda that he was able to push through?
Posted by: SH




Newt - the Contract with America.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 02, 2015 03:42 PM (kdS6q)

207 If only the Tea Party knew back in 2010 exactly who to protest. First mission is to defeat the GOP, either by taking it back or taking it down. Only then do we stand a remote chance of reversing course nationally.

In retrospect, the spectacle of the GOP alternating between wooing the tea parties and trying to kill it and the dems running fake candidates should have been a tell, at least for me. That and the MFM openly attacking it, giving it worse treatment than Perot ever got, was also illuminating.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 02, 2015 03:42 PM (Spluw)

208 There is no "Boehnerism," no coherent "Boehner Agenda,"
==========

Not one Republican has said, "This is what we are going to do by July 4, 2015." Or any date on any thing, for that matter.

They are so shell-shocked by so many past attacks on their plans (the Ryan Plan, for example) that they are paralyzed.

They've taken the advice that "they can't attack nothing."

But, they've forgotten that if you fail to define yourself, you give your enemies the power to define you.

So, they've abandoned the bad (having a plan) for the worse (no plan at all with the Democrats free to claim anything).

Grant may be a drunk, but he fights.

Boehner is just a drunk.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 02, 2015 03:43 PM (ZvKdv)

209
Social Security would have worked - if only the ignorant masses cooperated by not living longer.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 02, 2015 03:43 PM (CMkNk)

210 Actually, I disagree...

There IS a Bonehead agenda...

He is one of the Crony Capitalists. He is in favor of Wall Street, and the Small Business Bureau over his base voters.

He follows the BIG donors... ie... he follows the Money...

One of the problems the GOPe has, is that it thinks their constituency is the Economy.... not those of us who have to live WITHIN that economy....

Thus they will NOT do Tax reform... they will NOT get rid of O'care.... and they FAVOR more immigration, legal and Illegal...

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 02, 2015 03:44 PM (qh617)

211 Even if he goes, he'll be replaced by another weak shitheel.

They've got all the angles figured out.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 02, 2015 03:44 PM (oFCZn)

212 >>Hastert and Foley were nothing extraordinary, but were certainly no less accomplished than the Not So Great Pumpkin.

The one thing none of the people in your list had to deal with is a completely lawless president and administration. Any ethical president would never have let things like IRS targeting or F&F happen but if they did they would have had a special counsel by now.

I'm excusing Boehner or McConnell but we have the Joker in the presidency right now and it has to be a tad more difficult working against a guy who isn't constrained by the law.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2015 03:44 PM (g1DWB)

213 Looking at Boehner's immediate predecessors - Pelosi, Gingrich, Jim Wright (the guy who told HW "eat my lips") and Tip O'Neil all have much more legislative accomplishment. Hastert and Foley were nothing extraordinary, but were certainly no less accomplished than the Not So Great Pumpkin.

-----

Under Pelosi - the Dems lost a ton of seats. I grant you she got Obamacare passed, but she paid a price. And she only did that once Obama got into office. She didn't defund the war when she had the opportunity.

Gingrich - flame out .

Remind me again what Hassert's accomplishments were?

And my recollection is Foley's big accomplishment was giving Reagan the tax reform Reagan wanted.

All things being equal - I would like a speaker who is a cross of Gingrich and Pelosi. Gingrich's ideas with Pelosi's guts to deliver for her flank.

Posted by: SH at March 02, 2015 03:44 PM (gmeXX)

214 I hope Boehner goes back to his house and decides to stop drinking, get right with God, and goes back to his home town to make park benches with scrap lumber for the rest of his life.

It would be a nice thing for him to do until he dies of old age. Unknown but for a Little League team and a couple of store clerks. Yes, that would be nice.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at March 02, 2015 03:44 PM (scgac)

215 Eenie meenie chili beanie.. I smell another political victory.

Posted by: Svenbarri, knows all, sees all at March 02, 2015 03:45 PM (wAQA5)

216
They did that "stealing" through putting so-called IOUs in the treasury for SS. I recommend you dig up FDR's rotted corpse and hold it hostage from his heirs to get your money back.
Posted by: Vic at March 02, 2015 03:25 PM (wlDny)

Assuming FDR is around wherever I end up in the afterlife, and assuming one's worldly ailments do not carry with you after death.....I fully intend on breaking his f!cking legs once I see him.

Hell, might even do it even if he's still a cripple.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at March 02, 2015 03:45 PM (3yHhO)

217 No need to assemble the circular firing squad

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 02, 2015 03:41 PM (zOTsN)


Darn it!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet requests that whoever ticked off Elsa go and apologize right now! at March 02, 2015 03:45 PM (hLRSq)

218 I'd be in favor of means testing to get not one dime more from SS than you put into it. And no you don't get to say you would have earned 12% in the stock market on that money or your dad died at 64 and didn't get any of his money, just straight up "Mr Doe you have a pension, IRA .... and put in 220K into SS and have been paid $220K in benefits, you don't get anymore, hope you can enjoy your golden years anyway"

Posted by: PaleRider at March 02, 2015 03:46 PM (dkExz)

219 First mission is to defeat the GOP, either by taking it back or taking it down. Only then do we stand a remote chance of reversing course nationally.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 02, 2015 03:39 PM (CMkNk)


------------------------------------------


Nope. It's going to have to be the 10th Amendment. States are going to have to start re-establishing their sovereignty. This is really the main problem we have. Too many states want to be one with DC.

Posted by: Soona at March 02, 2015 03:46 PM (/HX7u)

220 "Grant may be a drunk, but he fights."

And I've compared Boehner to McClellan more than once here. We'll fight once I have overwhelming numbers, supplies and I get the right feels. Until then, I'm going to parade my troops around D.C. and plot with my Copperhead buddies on how to sidetrack my own President and take his office.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 02, 2015 03:46 PM (QKIQb)

221 Newt - the Contract with America.

----

That's fair. Newt came in with an agenda and delivered some of it. Unfortunately he flamed out and couldn't retain his power. Partly (mainly) due to his own personal issues.

Posted by: SH at March 02, 2015 03:46 PM (gmeXX)

222 Tom DeLay was a slimey guy but he was our slimey guy

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 02, 2015 03:46 PM (zOTsN)

223 Egad this is depressing. Rapey Tuesday is more uplifting. And I hate rapey Tuesday.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 02, 2015 03:46 PM (Spluw)

224 Posted by: Blue Hen at March 02, 2015 03:42 PM (Spluw)

The GOP was able to co opt the TEA party.... by giving access to its 'leaders'...

Note, there are no TEA party rallies any more... because it was proven that we WERE powerless... that even when we did go out and speak, the system would only pay lip service...

But all that anger? is still out there... and is even greater today.

Posted by: BB Wolf at March 02, 2015 03:46 PM (qh617)

225
We are NOT Delta House, I'll tellyouwhat.

Posted by: please dont squeeze the soothie at March 02, 2015 03:47 PM (omuEe)

226 Posted by: revolting peasant at March 02, 2015 03:41 PM (UEx3q)

exactly. much more artfully said then my attempt, and with 47% fewer swear words.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 02, 2015 03:47 PM (AkOaV)

227 206 Newt - the Contract with America.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 02, 2015 03:42 PM (kdS6q)


And then they pussied out later on. Rush had some good observations on this. 1988 - Dukakis went down in flames because of the tank photo and when he was called a liberal (Willie Horton and the wife rape question too).

Nowadays, the tables are completely turned. The GOP is blood-libeled every day all day because no one built on the Reagan legacy, vis a vis full throated defense/promotion of conservatism and condemnation of liberalism/socialism.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 02, 2015 03:47 PM (CMkNk)

228

If you were to stand back and impartially look at this mess, you would say that the Repubs in charge want to keep things the way they are, and thus lose on purpose.

I mean, they can barely put together a philosophy of governing, and can barely construct sentences.

It's fucking embarrassing.

They are supposed to be men of words but the only wards they know are, gimme more money and "we can work with the present to get jobs, jobs, jobs."


Posted by: Rev Dr Dumb Bunnies at March 02, 2015 03:47 PM (cNiT0)

229 One area in which virtually any other person would be an improvement over Agent Orange would be in the arena of basic negotiating skills.

During the run-up to what became the sequester, Boehner announced that he wanted a "balanced package" of tax hikes and spending cuts. He then went to see Obama at the White House, there to hammer out the details mano a mano.

Boehner said, "I'm putting X billion in new taxes [X being a large number] on the table. What do I get for that [in terms of spending cuts]?"

Obama smirked and said, "Nothing. I get that for free."

Boehner, incredibly, instead of simply halting the bullshit "negotiation" at that point and leaving, attempted to cut a deal anyway. Which ended up being a huge win for Obama.

None of Obama's pet programs suffered any significant cuts. None of Obama's extraconstitutional abuses were reined in. And the budget ax ended up falling most heavily on the armed services, at precisely the same time that they were being asked to shoulder a bunch of new missions abroad -- hardly a recipe for success.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 02, 2015 03:47 PM (noWW6)

230 5
As if the next guy will be any better than Boehner...

=====

Who can forget the halcyon days of Denny Hastert.

Wonders were abound, free and plentiful like sunlight on a summer's day.

But, Trey Gowdy has a real barnburner of a speech lined up (no calls for action, mind you).

And Issa is a raring an' a tearing for another hearing (that never ends and never reaches any results, mind you).

Let's not upset the fine order of things these days and actually do something.


Posted by: RoyalOil at March 02, 2015 03:47 PM (ZvKdv)

231 I love how Boehner is hoping the Dems save his bacon by invoking clause four of House Rule XXII where Obama gets everything he wants and nobody has to vote on it.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 02, 2015 03:48 PM (Y92Nd)

232 Posted by: BB Wolf at March 02, 2015 03:46 PM (qh617)

Well, our betters in DC know that the anger will eventually subside and turn to despair or hopelessness

Which is right where they want us....

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 02, 2015 03:48 PM (AkOaV)

233 219 Nope. It's going to have to be the 10th Amendment. States are going to have to start re-establishing their sovereignty. This is really the main problem we have. Too many states want to be one with DC.
Posted by: Soona at March 02, 2015 03:46 PM (/HX7u)



Agreed, but I see it as a multi-front/multi-faceted campaign. 9th and 10th Amendments are crucial as well as a cadre to form around a new party that defends those and the rest of the Constitution. No?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 02, 2015 03:49 PM (CMkNk)

234 Ever since Gingrich, Repubs have purposefully chosen bland midwestern House Speakers with no discernible agenda.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 02, 2015 03:49 PM (ZPrif)

235 227

Nowadays, the tables are completely turned. The GOP is
blood-libeled every day all day because no one built on the Reagan
legacy, vis a vis full throated defense/promotion of conservatism and
condemnation of liberalism/socialism.





Posted by: J.J. Sefton

This - is because they want to be seen as 'friends' of the opposition, who wants to see them as slaves.

Posted by: Gmac- Pulling in feelers in preperation... at March 02, 2015 03:49 PM (74McK)

236 230 Let's not upset the fine order of things these days and actually do something.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 02, 2015 03:47 PM (ZvKdv)


Big fan of Louie Gohmert. Sadly, that choice won't ever be allowed to fly.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 02, 2015 03:50 PM (CMkNk)

237 Tom DeLay looked like he knew how to get rid of a body

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 02, 2015 03:50 PM (zOTsN)

238 "The GOP is blood-libeled every day all day because no one built on the Reagan legacy, vis a vis full throated defense/promotion of conservatism and condemnation of liberalism/socialism."

No one built on the Reagan legacy?

Actually, someone _actively flushed away_ the Reagan legacy.

A certain dynastic political family who still plague us today, like an ugly rash that refuses to heal.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 02, 2015 03:50 PM (noWW6)

239 Okay who's first in slamming McConnell for not being able to override the Keystone veto when that vote is held. Okay no pushing or shoving. There's enough space for hate for everyone.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at March 02, 2015 03:51 PM (glJL/)

240
It will be unbelievable if in my lifetime we see actual adults in Congresson the Republican side that actually mean what they say and act upon it to further freedom, liberty, and individual/states rights.

Posted by: Cheri at March 02, 2015 03:51 PM (G+Wff)

241 DeLay was in charge of redistricting

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 02, 2015 03:51 PM (zOTsN)

242 Whaaat? *hic*

Posted by: Weeping Boner at March 02, 2015 03:51 PM (1vYi0)

243 209


Social Security would have worked - if only the ignorant masses cooperated by not living longer.





Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 02, 2015 03:43 PM (CMkNk)

This and we reduced our birth rate so we now the ponzi scheme is exposed. Not enough workers to keep it going.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 02, 2015 03:51 PM (0FSuD)

244 "That would be really cute, if it weren't so thoroughly destructive and dishonest. You were taxed. Your money is gone. Get over it."

Nope, I'll have my money that I paid to be paid back to me, thank you. Whatever you want to do about people taking MORE than they paid in, they're due to be paid what they paid in. I'm sure it's easier for you to capture the government and then rip everybody off, but rather than get over it, we'll get over you.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 02, 2015 03:51 PM (8rRE+)

245 "I grant you she got Obamacare passed, but she paid a price."

Not much of one. She's still calling the shots in the House, and Obamacare probably made her very rich.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 02, 2015 03:51 PM (Y92Nd)

246 Plotting to plot. How pathetic. Shit or get off the pot!

Posted by: Iblis at March 02, 2015 03:52 PM (9221z)

247 "Boehner clearly has to go. He cannot deliver for the Establishment -- he fails each time he tries to deliver political deliverables to the liberal anti-populists of the Establishment."

I read that three times and then my face caved-in.

*slumps*

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 02, 2015 03:52 PM (16bOT)

248 >>>>Under Pelosi - the Dems lost a ton of seats. I grant you she got Obamacare passed, but she paid a price. And she only did that once Obama got into office. She didn't defund the war when she had the opportunity.
.
.
.
.A bunch of Left leaning blogs are still blaming Pelosi for not doing enough during her tenure.

In addition to Obamacare they wanted a minimum wage hike, paid sick days for everyone in the country, paid maternity leave for both parents and absolute gun control with an assault weapons ban with a large capacity magazine ban, close GITMO, end the war in Afghanistan and Iraq immediately, etc.

She didn't get much done from their point of view and she gets blamed for being "weak" and caving in to Republicans. And the Dems had complete control of all three branches for two whole years.

A bunch of people on the left are still pi$$ed at her and blame her for not doing enough.

I think she did too much myself just with Obamacare.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 02, 2015 03:53 PM (4oSLk)

249 My new pet topic (over at that blog I don't have) is Virtue.

Our representatives lack Virtue. They lack Character and Fortitude (Courage & 'gumption') and Honor and Faithfulness.

All of those things that are required of the people (in the main) if any society is going to function, and they're in absurdly short supply in government.

And, unfortunately, getting shorter in supply in the populace as well.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:53 PM (rks47)

250 243 This and we reduced our birth rate so we now the ponzi scheme is exposed. Not enough workers to keep it going.
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 02, 2015 03:51 PM (0FSuD)


Printing presses can only go so fast. After that it's confiscation of not only IRA's but savings/checking accounts.

Sound like a crackpot raving? Look back on what has happened the past 6 years, my friends.

Not so crackpot. Wish to G-d it were.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 02, 2015 03:53 PM (CMkNk)

251 Boehner is the Orange Face of the Republican Party.
He is a pathetic joke. He speaks for no one but harms everyone.

Posted by: matthewjohn at March 02, 2015 03:53 PM (7pEow)

252 A certain dynastic political family who still plague us today, like an ugly rash that refuses to heal.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 02, 2015 03:50 PM (noWW6)

I still think Poppy had something to do with the assassination attempt, being former CIA director and a close friend of the Hinckleys, but that's tinfoil talk.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 02, 2015 03:53 PM (Y92Nd)

253 It would jump over, until such disability in the higher office is resolved.

For example, if the Speaker is 34 years old, then he or she could not take office and the job would move onto the Pres. pro Tem.

Once the Speaker turns 35, it is possible that the Pres. pro Tem. is automatically removed and replaced by the Speaker... Unless the Pres. Pro. Tem. appoints a new Veep who is approved by Congress.

Of course, once a Speaker or Pres. pro Tem. becomes President, they are no longer Speaker or Pres. pro Tem., which means they are no longer eligible to exercise the office, which forms a paradox.

The succession after Veep only says they "exercise" the office of President. Before the 25th Amendment, that same applied to the Veep assuming the Presidency, though in that case the abomve mentioned problems and paradoxes didn't apply.

More on that here:

http://tinyurl.com/pawcy6x

Posted by: The Hat of Succession at March 02, 2015 03:39 PM (0Ew3K)


It actually jumps over the Speaker (and any others in the line of succession ineligible at the time of the vacancies of the offices of President and Vice President) until the expiration of the current term...unless and until the disability of the President/President-elect and Vice President/Vice President-elect is removed.

In short, if the offices of President and Vice President were simultaneously vacant in the middle of a term and the Speaker is ineligible because of age (or vacancy of office), the Senate President pro tempore (assuming he is eligible, or if not, the highest ranking surviving Cabinet member who is eligible)becomes acting President until the end of the term.

Posted by: steveegg at March 02, 2015 03:54 PM (cL79m)

254 Tom DeLay looked like he knew how to get rid of a body

He *was* an exterminator.

Posted by: toby928(C) at March 02, 2015 03:54 PM (evdj2)

255 Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 02, 2015 03:53 PM (Y92Nd)

You and torquewench are perfect together.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at March 02, 2015 03:55 PM (glJL/)

256 Thought experiment: if Boehner were replaced by Jordan and the House began passing all sorts of legislation, what would happen?

Nothing. Because the problem is Senate Republicans.

This whole mess is due to Kelly Ayotte, her protectors John McCain, Miss Lindsay, John Cornyn, and others. The issue isn't even McConnell.

It's a complete lack of party discipline in the Senate. That's the issue here.

Posted by: MTF, High Horsin' at March 02, 2015 03:55 PM (/52yu)

257 Nood. Get thee hence.

Posted by: chiefjaybob at March 02, 2015 03:55 PM (t2lvB)

258


If only we had a party as tenacious in defense of liberty as the one that is tenacious and singleminded in its destruction.

100 years to effect the coup. 100 years.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 02, 2015 03:55 PM (CMkNk)

259 "Newt came in with an agenda and delivered some of it. Unfortunately he flamed out and couldn't retain his power. Partly (mainly) due to his own personal issues."

Noot was also a poor tactician.

In the '98 midterms, which were a cycle in which the polling consistently indicated the GOP should maintain or increase its House headcount, seats instead ended up being lost.

Because Noot had a bunch of vulnerable incumbents telling him in the run-up to the election, pleading with him in many cases, that they really had to get back to their home districts to play defense in person against their challengers. And instead, he kept them stuck in D.C. for no good reason.

After that, the discontent in the House GOP ranks boiled over, and Noot the history professor was history.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 02, 2015 03:55 PM (noWW6)

260 It will be unbelievable if in my lifetime we see actual adults in Congress... Posted by: Cheri

You know in my lifefime, I have. Still had its dysfunctional moments, but Nixon was run out by both parties. The current numbskulls have gone so far past the sins of Nixon and yet it continues unabated that I too wonder if you'll ever see actual adults in Congress.

Posted by: dogfish at March 02, 2015 03:55 PM (1vYi0)

261 We need somebody ruthless

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 02, 2015 03:56 PM (zOTsN)

262 I also think it's going to be a Rubio / Bush ticket, and I'm ok with that, though not thrilled, because progs will lose their minds and maybe leave the country. I don't think conservatives or libertarians will ever pull off a win with both parties gunning for them but one party duping them.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 02, 2015 03:56 PM (Y92Nd)

263 The party in control generally caucuses before a no confidence vote.

If the current head loses the caucus, the members agree to vote no confidence. Failure to do so, and siding with the opposition after the party caucus is legal, but is considered joining the opposition, and the members responsible should be kicked out of the party.

Posted by: Kristophr at March 02, 2015 03:56 PM (6fIOn)

264 We are NOT Delta House, I'll tellyouwhat.

Posted by: please dont squeeze the soothie at March 02, 2015 03:47 PM (omuEe)



That's good; because that was a movie and it is always a good thing to be able to separate fact from fiction, reality from story-telling.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet requests that whoever ticked off Elsa go and apologize right now! at March 02, 2015 03:56 PM (hLRSq)

265 Agreed, but I see it as a multi-front/multi-faceted campaign. 9th and 10th Amendments are crucial as well as a cadre to form around a new party that defends those and the rest of the Constitution. No?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 02, 2015 03:49 PM (CMkNk)


---------------------------------------------


Of course it would have to be multi-faceted. This is(was) a republic after all. But this is going to have to start with the states telling the fed to get fucked on a few things. Ocare would be a perfect place to start.

Posted by: Soona at March 02, 2015 03:56 PM (/HX7u)

266 A certain dynastic political family who still plague us today, like an ugly rash that refuses to heal.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 02, 2015 03:50 PM (noWW6)

I still think Poppy had something to do with the assassination attempt, being former CIA director and a close friend of the Hinckleys, but that's tinfoil talk.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 02, 2015 03:53 PM (Y92Nd)


The GOP must go full Brazilian: No Bush

Posted by: The Brazilian Hat at March 02, 2015 03:56 PM (0Ew3K)

267 What wing of the Party actually likes Boehner? I mean, I could understand if he was actually "delivering the goods" to say the more moderate wing, but he's just incompetent at every part of the agenda he pursues.

My fear is he leaves with some sort of parting shot like bring up a Comprehensive immigration bill as a middle finger and it passes with Democrats and Republicans uniting.


Posted by: McAdams at March 02, 2015 03:57 PM (LI7TJ)

268 Printing presses can only go so fast. After that it's confiscation of not only IRA's but savings/checking accounts.



Sound like a crackpot raving? Look back on what has happened the past 6 years, my friends.



Not so crackpot. Wish to G-d it were.





Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 02, 2015 03:53 PM (CMkNk)

See Argentina. Saving accounts/IRA replaced with worthless Government bonds, hard assets taken.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 02, 2015 03:58 PM (0FSuD)

269 It's a complete lack of party discipline in the Senate. That's the issue here.
Posted by: MTF, High Horsin' at March 02, 2015 03:55 PM (/52yu)

Ayotte and McCain should be primaried and voted against in 2016.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 02, 2015 03:58 PM (Y92Nd)

270 "Under Pelosi - the Dems lost a ton of seats. I grant you she got
Obamacare passed, but she paid a price. And she only did that once Obama
got into office. She didn't defund the war when she had the
opportunity."

ObamaCare alone makes her Speakership more consequential than

They lost seats, but they pushed legislation. That's called using political capital and taking risk. She took heavy casualties, but who's seriously talking about repealing her accomplishment now, even after the worm has turned majority-wise?

Winning the election and holding the seats aren't the goal - they're means to an end. A lot of people seem to have forgotten that the point of winning is to make policy.

I hate to sound as if I'm propping the daffy dead-goat-staring witch, but in terms of a legislative resume she makes Crying John look like a piker.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 02, 2015 03:59 PM (QKIQb)

271 "It's a complete lack of party discipline in the Senate. That's the issue here."

That's an equally huge issue, but it doesn't let Boehner off the hook.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 02, 2015 04:00 PM (QKIQb)

272 I could understand if he was actually "delivering the goods" to say the more moderate wing, but he's just incompetent at every part of the agenda he pursues.

-----

Yet the GOP has been incredibly successful in getting people elected to the House during his tenure. I don't think this can be underestimated. I agree a few more stumbles and he could be gone, but I don't see a legitimate reason (for the GOP that is) to oust him.

Posted by: SH at March 02, 2015 04:01 PM (gmeXX)

273 No need to assemble the circular firing squad
Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter

Darn it!
Posted by: Mikey NTH



Pulls out crates. Starts loading crossbows for storage.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2015 04:01 PM (Hmawh)

274 @244 "Nope, I'll have my money that I paid to be paid back to me, thank you. "

You weren't listening. You didn't buy shares in the SS money pot every two weeks when you paid your FICA.

You got taxed. FICA is just a tax. That money has been burnt up the waste pipe. Spent on the old, feeble, and/or dishonest if that makes you feel any better, but gone gone gone nonetheless, and actually spent on whatever the govt felt like wasting it on.

You have as much right to get it back as you do to get back an of your bog standard federal income tax payments.

What you are saying is that you demand your cut of the welfare pie, and that you're going to hold your breath until that nice young politician man fulfills his promise to you.

*dog raises ears and turns head sideways*

Posted by: revolting peasant at March 02, 2015 04:02 PM (uUMuz)

275 Printing presses can only go so fast. After that it's confiscation of not only IRA's but savings/checking accounts.



After that it's ping! $17 Trillion Dollar Coins being stamped at the mint.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2015 04:03 PM (Hmawh)

276 [starts licking balls]

Posted by: a dog at March 02, 2015 04:04 PM (2KB+E)

277 Yet the GOP has been incredibly successful in
getting people elected to the House during his tenure. I don't think
this can be underestimated. I agree a few more stumbles and he could be
gone, but I don't see a legitimate reason (for the GOP that is) to oust
him.

Posted by: SH

But that was almost exclusively because the country turned against Obama.

Can you point to one thing that Boehner did that won Republicans House seats?

I really think you could just pick a random name as Speaker and it would have been the same outcome. In fact, I actually think we would have run the board up even more.

Boehner could have killed Obama's Presidency and made him a 1 termer had he not cut that awful deal to extend the Bush tax cuts 2 years. Boehner went with his Chamber of Commerce buddies, all they cared about was saving a little money for a few years.

Posted by: McAdams at March 02, 2015 04:04 PM (LI7TJ)

278 But I promised job as air traffic controller!1!

Posted by: Ping at March 02, 2015 04:05 PM (2KB+E)

279 CNN lie to me?!

Posted by: Ping at March 02, 2015 04:06 PM (2KB+E)

280 Well. I hate to say it but Boehner invited Netanyahu and didn't cave.
=======
Speaker RoyalOil would have announced that the Democrat share of committee assignments and funding will be reduced on March 10, 2015 by exactly the same number of Democrats who fail to show up at Netanyahu's speech.

I want them there. I want them on camera booing and frowning and giving ugly looks.

Because Speaker RoyalOil will be cutting that into TV commercials interspaced with headlines of the latest Jews being killed set to air March 11, 2015, in every city with a Jewish population greater than 10k.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 02, 2015 04:06 PM (ZvKdv)

281 What you are saying is that you demand your cut of the welfare pie, and that you're going to hold your breath until that nice young politician man fulfills his promise to you.



Rule #1 for a long life:
Never push a man to where he has nothing left to lose.
While you still do.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 02, 2015 04:06 PM (Hmawh)

282 230 5
As if the next guy will be any better than Boehner...

=====

Who can forget the halcyon days of Denny Hastert.

Wonders were abound, free and plentiful like sunlight on a summer's day.

But, Trey Gowdy has a real barnburner of a speech lined up (no calls for action, mind you).

And Issa is a raring an' a tearing for another hearing (that never ends and never reaches any results, mind you).

Let's not upset the fine order of things these days and actually do something.




Posted by: RoyalOil at March 02, 2015 03:47 PM (ZvKdv)


spot. on.

Posted by: Shoey at March 02, 2015 04:10 PM (vA94g)

283 "Boehner, incredibly, instead of simply halting the bullshit "negotiation" at that point and leaving, attempted to cut a deal anyway. Which ended up being a huge win for Obama. "

Boehner believes in getting a deal. If Obama and the Democrats won't cave as fast as he does, that just means the deal is the best deal he can get. He can't understand why people suggest he not go for it. What, they won't get a deal?

Boehner treats the Right like they are calling for a strike.

In a strike, people who make trucks, refuse to make trucks, until somebody gives them a better dental plan or more retirement or stock or whatever. Then, they go back to making trucks.

The Right sees defunding as more like not eating dung. You just don't eat dung. There's no question of making a deal. There's no "endgame". You stop eating it, and you don't eat it again. Ever.

What Boehner can't get is that there's nothing that he can propose to obtain that will get the Right to spend the money without thinking about it. He can't process it.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 02, 2015 04:10 PM (8rRE+)

284 I don't know what makes Boehner tick, I don't think he's a secret Leftie or anything like that, I just think he's basically a Lobbyist that has a lot of power and is just a whore. He doesn't seem to give 2 shits about an agenda or fighting Obama.

He just wants to cut deals and slap backs. He needs to go become a super lobbyist and purse his passion, but we're not throwing away such a lopsided majority to rubber stamp Obama's agenda.

Posted by: McAdams at March 02, 2015 04:12 PM (LI7TJ)

285 "The Right sees defunding as more like not eating dung. You just don't eat dung. There's no question of making a deal. There's no "endgame". You stop eating it, and you don't eat it again. Ever.

What Boehner can't get is that there's nothing that he can propose to obtain that will get the Right to spend the money without thinking about it. He can't process it."


more truth...

Posted by: Shoey at March 02, 2015 04:12 PM (vA94g)

286 damn, this was just getting good and now it dies, arrrggh.

Posted by: Shoey at March 02, 2015 04:17 PM (vA94g)

287
You got taxed. FICA is just a tax. That money has been burnt up the waste pipe. Spent on the old, feeble, and/or dishonest if that makes you feel any better, but gone gone gone nonetheless, and actually spent on whatever the govt felt like wasting it on.

You have as much right to get it back as you do to get back an of your bog standard federal income tax payments.

What you are saying is that you demand your cut of the welfare pie, and that you're going to hold your breath until that nice young politician man fulfills his promise to you.

--

Exactly. And this 'give me my money back' attitude is precisely why the US in its present form will collapse.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 02, 2015 04:17 PM (aH5Wv)

288 I will say this in mild defense of Boehner and McConnell, we've never seen anything like Obama in terms of a tyrant. he really is the first President that puts us into the stuff of the 3rd world.

It's almost like we had a country deputy from the sticks trying to fight Al Capone.

We've had liberal Presidents, but Clinton and Carter never really crossed the line as far as causing these sorts of "End of the Republic" type crisis.

We need leaders that understand it's a different ballgame now.

Posted by: McAdams at March 02, 2015 04:18 PM (LI7TJ)

289 I hate to be defeatist, but here's how it's going to end if there is a successful no-confidence vote:

- If thereare merely enough conservatives to force the no-confidence vote, Nancy Pelosi will be Speaker as Bo(eh)ner and his leadership team vote for her,with thebipartisan Party-In-Governmentmajority in the RepublicRAT Party crushing the conservatives out of committees, primarying them in the spring and summer of 2016, and working with their DemocRAT overlords to oust those not successfully primaried in the fall of 2016.

- If there are enough conservatives to become the majority of the soon-to-be-former Republican majority, Bo(eh)ner and his fellow PIGs will join the DemocRAT Party to also give the DemocRATs the majority and they'll retain (no, not gain, retain) control of the committees.

Oh well, the PIGs may as well be honest about it.

Posted by: steveegg at March 02, 2015 04:20 PM (cL79m)

290 I don't think Confusius ever said Never leave a man who has staked
his reputation on the claim that your plan will result in failure in
charge of executing your plan, but he might have,

---------------

That was Pauly Shore.

Posted by: Art Griego at March 02, 2015 04:23 PM (XDwcC)

291 But that was almost exclusively because the country turned against Obama.

Can you point to one thing that Boehner did that won Republicans House seats?

-----

I agree with you. Only saying that he was the coach when it happened. I will say that Boehner did keep the GOP's fingerprints off the stimulus and Obamacare.

Posted by: SH at March 02, 2015 04:31 PM (gmeXX)

292 Yet the GOP has been incredibly successful in getting people elected to the House during his tenure. I don't think this can be underestimated.

Posted by: SH at March 02, 2015 04:01 PM (gmeXX)


Orange Weepy had dick to do with the increase in Republican House seats; same goes for the GOPe. It was the arguments of the TEA Party which pushed Republicans across electoral finish lines, the same TEA Party that Boehner, along with The Turtle, positively loathes and seeks to destroy.

The GOPe can claim all the credit they want, but that is just another lie, like them talking the talk about stopping President Hissy Fit's agenda. But when it comes to actually walking the walk, they couldn't pass a 'walk the line' DUI test.

Posted by: RickZ at March 02, 2015 04:37 PM (LzSpE)

293 So a "Competent Conservative" would get all sorts of wondrous things accomplished. BS
Your talking out of a magic hat.

Posted by: lynn at March 02, 2015 04:37 PM (AjrEe)

294
All of us down at the Brattleboro Women's Reproductive Health Choice
Clinic think President Obama should keep Jerry Boehnor as the Speaker of the House because he respects Presdents of Color unlike that idiot Bush. If we keep him as SOH the we can show the world we are not racist and we also hate Bush for his racist policies against persons of Islamic Color.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at March 02, 2015 04:43 PM (Sd++4)

295 Orange Weepy had dick to do with the increase in Republican House seats; same goes for the GOPe. It was the arguments of the TEA Party which pushed Republicans across electoral finish lines, the same TEA Party that Boehner, along with The Turtle, positively loathes and seeks to destroy.

----

While I agree, the fact is that he was the GOP leader when this happened. It just makes it harder to remove him. Its like removing a coach while his team is winning. The GOP Congress is made up of conservatives and establishment but mostly people who want to get reelected and hold chairmanships. Under Boehner, you won and got chairmanships. I'd say its the one thing the conservatives and establishment could agree on.

Posted by: SH at March 02, 2015 04:44 PM (gmeXX)

296 Under Boehner, you won and got chairmanships. I'd say its the one thing the conservatives and establishment could agree on.

BS. Boehner's been demoting conservatives right and left. They won, and still lost.

Posted by: RickZ at March 02, 2015 04:47 PM (LzSpE)

297 BS. Boehner's been demoting conservatives right and left. They won, and still lost.

-----

I simply meant from the standpoint that you don't get any chairmanships if you are in the minority.

Hey - I'm all for trying to take Boehner down, but the success of the GOP as a whole makes that more difficult.

Posted by: SH at March 02, 2015 04:50 PM (gmeXX)

298 I'm really not in it for the hunting.

Posted by: Mitch McConell at March 02, 2015 04:51 PM (WGm5T)

299 Hey - I'm all for trying to take Boehner down, but the success of the GOP as a whole makes that more difficult.

----

And by success - I simply mean winning elections - not in doing something constructive following such wins.

Posted by: SH at March 02, 2015 04:51 PM (gmeXX)

300 I'm sure the Democrats think Boener's leadership is very competent. After all, he gives them everything they want.

Posted by: Titanium at March 02, 2015 05:04 PM (o0K70)

301 If you're that much of a pussy that partially shutting down 1 dept of an entire government that was safely shut for 16 days a year and a half ago - a dept which didn't even exist 15 years ago over a material constitutional breach by the executive then you ought to lose your job.

Posted by: crrr6 at March 02, 2015 05:05 PM (89GIe)

302 Exactly. And this 'give me my money back' attitude is precisely why the US in its present form will collapse.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 02, 2015 04:17 PM (aH5Wv)

If Dirty wants his money, I think you should give him his money.

Posted by: Let It Burn at March 02, 2015 05:14 PM (Y92Nd)

303 Sorry, that's actually someone's handle, I think.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 02, 2015 05:15 PM (Y92Nd)

304 "But [Mr. Netanyahu] would . . need to be eligible for President. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 02, 2015 03:13 PM (rks47)
____________

We'll deem him Speaker. (Pelosi taught us how, remember?) PM Netanyahu can even carry out his new duties from Israel by Speakerphone."


Posted by: Bad Dog Puppy Treats at March 02, 2015 05:55 PM (YzG8R)

305 Boehner, the only worse negotiator on the planet than Obama.

Posted by: What is a SCOAMT? at March 02, 2015 06:10 PM (MelgH)

306 ". . .he fails each time he tries to deliver political deliverables to the liberal anti-populists of the Establishment."
________

Just guessing . . . you helped write our tax laws?

Posted by: Bad Dog Puppy Treats at March 02, 2015 06:26 PM (YzG8R)

307 Boehner is ineffective, and McConnell is basically a democrat anyway. The Republican establishment is so naive that they don't know how to deal with the radical, ruthless tactics of the left. They are always on the defense, and unfortunately, they aren't very good at defense. Now that I mention it, they aren't very good at offense either.

So, let's predict the future: Obama will get his amnesty. Millions will continue to stream across the borders. The US, by its very structure (Obamacare, et al) will forever become a center-left country, or worse. The debt will continue to climb exponentially. We will have free college (with the government deciding who gets to go) after the huge student loan bubble bursting. We will have European style high taxes and an ever burdensome welfare state. We will become a nation of rich and poor with an ever shrinking middle class. We will see border disputes with Mexico which, out of concern for the Mexican people that live in the US, will assert that it has rights to the southwest. The predictions for foreign policy are too grim to note. Just think of the worst, and yeah, that is what will probably happen.

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at March 02, 2015 10:26 PM (2/oBD)

308 ...and the Republicans will let it all happen.

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at March 02, 2015 10:27 PM (2/oBD)

309 Boehner should do the honorable thing & step down.
What an utter disappointment!

Posted by: yourmamatoo at March 04, 2015 04:52 PM (iAF9V)

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An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat