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Quantum Physicists Claim to Have Disproved "The Big Bang" and Proven That Universe Is Actually Eternal
One of the biggest problems in physics -- so I'm told; I'm not up nights crunching numbers or anything -- is the fact that two cornerstone theories, Einstein's General Relativity (the rules of large objects and long distances) and Planck's Quantum Mechanics (the rules of incredibly small things and tiny distances) cannot be reconciled and, if I have this right, are actually contradictory in places.
A pair of scientists trying to reconcile them claim they've done so, but their solution (if it is a solution) would establish a universe which has always existed and which always will exist. With no Big Bang. Expansion over the aeons yes, but no gigantic explosion out of a superdense singularity.Two physicists are trying to revive one of the great debates of twentieth-century science, arguing that the Big Bang may never have happened. Their work presents a radically different vision of the universe from the one cosmologists now work with....This article is sort of the #VoxTake which tells you that everything else you've read is wrong. It claims the new paper does not claim there was no Big Bang, but only that the Big Bang did not burst out of a singularity (a superdense, microscopic dot which contains all the matter and energy of the current universe) but rather out of a cosmic egg which, while small, was not so microscopically small as to be a true singularity where the laws of physics don't operate. Eh, so anyway, this second article claims the "Big Bang" theory involves a hot, dense state of the early universe, and the new paper still describes the young universe as hot and dense, so it's not really saying there was no Big Bang, just not the specific kind of Big Bang we've come to think of as "The Big Bang" in the past decade. Here is the actual paper, if you want to read it. Look, all I know is that this proves Global Warming.
"The Big Bang singularity is the most serious problem of general relativity because the laws of physics appear to break down there," says Dr. Ahmed Farag Ali of Benha University, Egypt... Ali and Das are keen to point out that they were not seeking a preordained outcome, or trying to adjust their equations to remove the need for the Big Bang. Instead they sought to unite the work of David Bohm and Amal Kumar Raychaudhuri, connecting quantum mechanics with general relativity. They found that when using Bohm's work to make quantum corrections to Raychaudhuri's equation on the formation of singularities, they described a universe that was once much smaller, but never had the infinite density currently postulated.
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(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: NCKate at February 26, 2015 01:57 PM (RNq50)
Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at February 26, 2015 01:58 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 01:58 PM (VcOqI)
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Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 02:00 PM (VcOqI)
By the way, for the most part, I don't consider studies of the origin of the universe or living things to be science in the strictest sense. Can't apply the scientific method, as far as I can tell.
I may be wrong, I admit, but that's what I think.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 26, 2015 02:00 PM (shFKH)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 02:00 PM (hbvPW)
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Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 02:01 PM (hbvPW)
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Posted by: Roy at February 26, 2015 02:01 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 26, 2015 02:01 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet requests that whoever ticked off Elsa go and apologize right now! at February 26, 2015 02:01 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Lauren at February 26, 2015 02:01 PM (MYCIw)
So there.
Settled science.
Posted by: Jim Lennon at February 26, 2015 02:02 PM (WOZgF)
Posted by: RioBravo at February 26, 2015 02:02 PM (z27Ny)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:03 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Ed Anger at February 26, 2015 02:03 PM (RcpcZ)
Posted by: Globa Warming Neo-Deists at February 26, 2015 02:03 PM (40li+)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2015 02:03 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: jwest at February 26, 2015 02:03 PM (9ZZd+)
Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 02:03 PM (cbfNE)
-Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 26, 2015 02:01 PM (ZPrif)
GOD IS A COSMIC CHICKEN?!?
Posted by: Al Sharpton at February 26, 2015 02:03 PM (16bOT)
Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 26, 2015 02:03 PM (WNERA)
If Ace really loved science sexually, he'd watch this very scientific video on throat punches and ball-kicks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB7gnB31NnI
Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 02:03 PM (hbvPW)
Posted by: Roy at February 26, 2015 02:03 PM (VndSC)
*for certain values of 'eternal' anyway
Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at February 26, 2015 02:04 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 02:04 PM (VcOqI)
Posted by: NCKate at February 26, 2015 02:04 PM (RNq50)
Posted by: God at February 26, 2015 02:04 PM (qNZ3I)
Quantum Physicists Claim
Dr. Ahmed Farag Ali of Benha University, Egypt. In collaboration with Professor Saurya Das of the University of Lethbridge, Canada,
Well then, consider the issue settled.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 26, 2015 02:04 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Bob Belcher at February 26, 2015 02:05 PM (glJL/)
Posted by: Fritz at February 26, 2015 02:05 PM (dVmLD)
Hey, Science flips all the time. Only illiterates feigning insight thump on SCIENCE!! and demand fealty to it.
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 26, 2015 02:05 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: irright at February 26, 2015 02:05 PM (8GKDa)
Dr. Ahmed Farag Ali of Benha University, Egypt. In collaboration with Professor Saurya Das of the University of Lethbridge, Canada,
These two would be cab drivers in the USA.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 02:05 PM (hbvPW)
Posted by: Roy at February 26, 2015 02:05 PM (VndSC)
I may be wrong, I admit, but that's what I think.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 26, 2015 02:00 PM (shFKH)
It's forensic science. It's still science, but not as "provable" as experimental science.
Posted by: The Quantum Hat at February 26, 2015 02:05 PM (0Ew3K)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 26, 2015 02:06 PM (40li+)
Posted by: tu3031 at February 26, 2015 02:06 PM (S0A/C)
Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 26, 2015 02:06 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 02:06 PM (VcOqI)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, let all the children boogie at February 26, 2015 02:06 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Ed Anger at February 26, 2015 02:03 PM (RcpcZ)
ALL YOUR INTERNET ARE BELONG
TO US
Posted by: The FCC at February 26, 2015 02:06 PM (0Ew3K)
Sorority girls hardest hit.
In all seriousness, all this does is prove the existence of God.
Because I said so.
Posted by: Sharkman at February 26, 2015 02:07 PM (72D6h)
Posted by: Big Bang Burger at February 26, 2015 02:07 PM (0Ew3K)
Posted by: sound awake at February 26, 2015 02:07 PM (7A/Jm)
Posted by: NativeNH at February 26, 2015 02:07 PM (+k6Wu)
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 02:07 PM (rwI+c)
TO US
Posted by: The FCC at February 26, 2015 02:06 PM (0Ew3K)
You will never find us all. bwhhahaaaaaa
Posted by: the dark internet at February 26, 2015 02:07 PM (WNERA)
Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 02:07 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Roy at February 26, 2015 02:08 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 02:08 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Deep Thought at February 26, 2015 02:08 PM (BrQrN)
Well, there was a big bang, just not *THE* Big Bang. Totes.
Also, the Big Bang does not actually postulate a "singularity" which would require matter, space, and even time- none of which existed until the Big Bang.
The Big Bang posits that the Universe exploded out of nothing.
A "singularity" would still require some cause to have exploded (same with their "cosmic egg" btw). If some singularity or "cosmic egg" had existed from all eternity (time didn't exist until the Big Bang) then either it would still exist- static- or the heat-death of the Universe would already have happened.
Logically.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:08 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2015 02:08 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: jwest at February 26, 2015 02:08 PM (9ZZd+)
Posted by: hmitchell3rd at February 26, 2015 02:08 PM (m5msJ)
Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2015 02:09 PM (wlDny)
Posted by: ScoggDog at February 26, 2015 02:09 PM (cBvzT)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 02:09 PM (TRcau)
TO US
Posted by: The FCC at February 26, 2015 02:06 PM (0Ew3K)
You will never find us all. bwhhahaaaaaa
Posted by: the dark internet at February 26, 2015 02:07 PM (WNERA)
ಠ_ಠ
Posted by: Detective Tutuola at February 26, 2015 02:09 PM (0Ew3K)
Posted by: John P. Squibob at February 26, 2015 02:09 PM (DQZLr)
This is nice, but aren't we still missing 95% of the energy/matter in the universe?
We should get some celestial bloodhounds and go out looking for that stuff.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, let all the children boogie at February 26, 2015 02:09 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Roy at February 26, 2015 02:09 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Eccentrica Gallumbits at February 26, 2015 02:09 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Globa Warming Neo-Deists at February 26, 2015 02:03 PM (40li+)
"Throw them to the polar bears!"
"But your global warming says there can be no polar bears."
"Shut up you science denialist! To the polar bears with you!"
"The polar bear's existence proves your global warming is a lie. Either there is catastrophic global warming and thus no polar bears, or there are polar bears and thus no catastrophic global warming."
"Stop denying the evidence! Polar bears, now!"
I don't want them to live on this planet anymore. Can we ship the lot of them to Mars where there is no meaningful greenhouse effect and no anticipated climate change for the next several epochs.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at February 26, 2015 02:09 PM (d7H2D)
I just went to the link and looked at the 4 page paper, written by a couple of apparent Muslims (who invented math, by the way).
I WAS TOLD THERE WOULD BE NO MATH ON THIS BLOG.
Posted by: Sharkman at February 26, 2015 02:09 PM (72D6h)
Cosmic background radiation and the expansion of space are facts. They point strongly to a small, superdense, superhot origin sometime in the past.
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at February 26, 2015 02:10 PM (SCcgT)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 26, 2015 02:10 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Cosmic 'Splosion at February 26, 2015 02:10 PM (yqMTa)
Posted by: Alicia Puckerbush at February 26, 2015 02:10 PM (XJRDA)
Just heard the new US Marine Corp radio ad. It's basically about a girl who "did it." She became a Marine, and that was a huge accomplishment for her.
A far cry from the silent tv ad showing the sword being forged in fire, and then a young man in full dress proudly standing with the sword. That ad conveyed honor and duty, not a goddam sense of gender-specific self-achievement.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 02:10 PM (hbvPW)
Posted by: Old Blue at February 26, 2015 02:10 PM (AxABj)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2015 02:10 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Alicia Puckerbush at February 26, 2015 02:10 PM (XJRDA)
What you might call magic, we call science.
Posted by: Thor Odinsson at February 26, 2015 02:11 PM (2Ojst)
Why does the Big Bang get to be this one supernatural event that nobody in science is allowed to question when it violates all of the laws of science?
I really don't know how someone saying "God made it" is much different than saying "the Big Bang made it".
Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 02:11 PM (YalUx)
Good luck to them with that.
Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 02:11 PM (cbfNE)
I'm watching the Judicial Watch press conference on Benghazi documents. Judicial Watch is being brutal to Hillary and the State Dept., the press and Rep. Gowdy. They have nothing good to say about anyone.
Posted by: lowandslow at February 26, 2015 02:11 PM (0KY4M)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 26, 2015 02:11 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: Lauren at February 26, 2015 02:11 PM (MYCIw)
Logically.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:08 PM (kff5f)
You are thinking to linearly as regards to time.
Heck, IIRC, there was a paper that said the Universe could be explained as a 3-dimensional "surface" of a 4-dimensional shock wave in another Universe.
Posted by: The Hat of the Hyperspheres at February 26, 2015 02:11 PM (0Ew3K)
If you have a cosmic egg, you need a cosmic sperm.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2015 02:10 PM (ODxAs)
Sometimes when a mommy parallel universe and a daddy parallel universe love each other very much...
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 02:11 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Diogenes at February 26, 2015 02:11 PM (08Znv)
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 02:11 PM (sWgE+)
Posted by: Richard Feynman at February 26, 2015 02:11 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: clonefan at February 26, 2015 02:11 PM (bja4e)
Posted by: PHONE at February 26, 2015 02:12 PM (qNZ3I)
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Uh...We thought since it was only a little no one would miss it.
Posted by: Government Employees at February 26, 2015 02:12 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Hell-splain at February 26, 2015 02:12 PM (yqMTa)
The Thought of God creates and uphold the universe. It's like that idea that the world is a dream.
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 02:12 PM (rwI+c)
A far cry from the silent tv ad showing the sword being forged in fire, and then a young man in full dress proudly standing with the sword. That ad conveyed honor and duty, not a goddam sense of gender-specific self-achievement.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 02:10 PM (hbvPW)
Yeah maybe, but I see the Female Marine Recruits at MCRD Parris Island alot and most of them are OK in my book and many of the Female DIs, well I'd strongly suggest you not fuck with them.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2015 02:12 PM (rDqRv)
Posted by: MTF at February 26, 2015 02:12 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: blaster at February 26, 2015 02:13 PM (Rx8ML)
At band camp?
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 02:13 PM (TRcau)
Dudes, I told you. It's 42.
Posted by: Deep Thought at February 26, 2015 02:08 PM (BrQrN)
Just give me a little more time and I'll have the Question to Life, the Universe, and Everything.
Oh shit, here comes the Vogon Construction Fle...
Posted by: Earth at February 26, 2015 02:13 PM (DQZLr)
@64, but Vic, surely you're old enough to know, right?
*runs for dear life, knowing he will die tired.*
Posted by: Lurkingestlurker at February 26, 2015 02:13 PM (k8xvx)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet requests that whoever ticked off Elsa go and apologize right now! at February 26, 2015 02:13 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Brian Williams at February 26, 2015 02:13 PM (VAsIq)
X + Y+n+Z
And "n" is a variable containing one or more "unknowns", which is basically what the climate "scientists" used to massage and grope their numbers, I think.
Posted by: hmitchell3rd at February 26, 2015 02:13 PM (m5msJ)
Halton Arp proved this a long time ago in his book "Seeing Red" which disproved redshift as a way of measuring distance/speed.
Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at February 26, 2015 02:13 PM (VNgld)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 02:14 PM (VcOqI)
Indeed, in every description of the Big Bang I've seen, it was made clear that science can only see back with their various instruments (Hubble, Keck, VLA, etc, etc) just so far and no farther. What came before, chicken, "cosmic" egg, singularity, whatever, they simply don't know.
All we know for sure is that several billion (11, 12?, memory fails me here) years ago, SOMETHING went BOOM!, and the Universe as we see it, and live in it, today was the result. But where the BOOM originated, what really happened in the first few seconds following the BOOM, etc, nobody really knows for sure, Relativity vs quantum mechanics notwithstanding.
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - SMOD is inbound at February 26, 2015 02:14 PM (yTMXB)
Heck, IIRC, there was a paper that said the Universe could be explained as a 3-dimensional "surface" of a 4-dimensional shock wave in another Universe.
I read an article about that in Scientific American. (Hey, my doctor's office didn't have the SI Swimsuit Edition).
It was persuasive, but I in no way have the tools to evaluate it.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, let all the children boogie at February 26, 2015 02:14 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: ScoggDog at February 26, 2015 02:14 PM (cBvzT)
Things Bill said to Paula Jones before she ran from the hotel room.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 26, 2015 02:14 PM (QKIQb)
Posted by: hmitchell3rd at February 26, 2015 02:14 PM (m5msJ)
Just had the wife hit your 'tip jar'. It won't put you over the top, but it was what we could do.
I appreciate the way you think and could see teaming up w/you in case... well, you know, being neighbors and all, in a regional kinda way...
Posted by: Sleepless in SHV at February 26, 2015 02:14 PM (4DCSq)
agreed upon "scientific" event, yet to believe in the Big Bang, you have
to set aside all established scientific laws, like the fact that matter
cannot be created or destroyed.
Why does the Big Bang get to be
this one supernatural event that nobody in science is allowed to
question when it violates all of the laws of science?
I really don't know how someone saying "God made it" is much different than saying "the Big Bang made it".
Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 02:11 PM (YalUx)
Plus, of course, if you ask Neil DeGassy DoucheTool what was in existence BEFORE the Big Bang, and how it got there, he just curles into a ball drooling and calls you a WingNut Science-Denier.
"Scientists" don't know any more about this shit than I do.
Posted by: Sharkman at February 26, 2015 02:14 PM (72D6h)
Posted by: Alicia Puckerbush at February 26, 2015 02:10 PM (XJRDA)
Hey baby, your wave function is sexy. Want me to integrate your Hamiltonian?
Posted by: A Quanta of Sleeze at February 26, 2015 02:14 PM (0Ew3K)
Thus the reason for string-theory, and multiverse theory, and so-forth. Basically, some (yes- atheistic) scientists are desperate either to disprove the Big Bang and return to the Steady State universe, or to find some cause for the Big Bang.
And they run into problems, because all of their explanations either require physical laws which didn't even exist until after the Big Bang, or are non-verifiable, non-testable hokum.
The best current explanation is the Big Bang- that all matter, space, and time exploded out of literally nothing. But that then opens the door for God, which many atheists do not want to do.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:14 PM (kff5f)
And from the Baltimore Catechism: "God always was and always will be."
Sounds like they proved there is a God!
Posted by: Don't look at me, I took Spanish at February 26, 2015 02:15 PM (E6RIJ)
Posted by: Stephen Hawking at February 26, 2015 02:15 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Richard Feynman at February 26, 2015 02:11 PM (LISuA)
A universe where Erg simultaneously does and does not want to have sexual relations with Ace.
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Rascal Scooter Brigade at February 26, 2015 02:15 PM (MbqmP)
Posted by: Jean at February 26, 2015 02:15 PM (ztOda)
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Ugh. I'm with Ace--I'm so sick of origin stories.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 26, 2015 02:15 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: @JohnTant at February 26, 2015 02:15 PM (eytER)
1- How would we detect such a universe?
2- How did it get there?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:15 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: MTF at February 26, 2015 02:15 PM (LISuA)
A far cry from the silent tv ad showing the sword being forged in fire, and then a young man in full dress proudly standing with the sword. That ad conveyed honor and duty, not a goddam sense of gender-specific self-achievement.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 02:10 PM (hbvPW)
A silent radio ad would be kind of pointless, wouldn't it?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet requests that whoever ticked off Elsa go and apologize right now! at February 26, 2015 02:15 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: X at February 26, 2015 02:16 PM (UqJ2q)
Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at February 26, 2015 02:16 PM (9oLd3)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 26, 2015 02:16 PM (Q/1Jp)
Posted by: John P. Squibob at February 26, 2015 02:16 PM (DQZLr)
Posted by: Cosmic 'Splosion at February 26, 2015 02:16 PM (yqMTa)
Posted by: Jean at February 26, 2015 02:15 PM (ztOda)
Well we are talking about blowing up something out of nothing, so I understand the confusion.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 02:17 PM (2Ojst)
We're good, either way, while those sciencey-science lovers of Science have to change their worldview to suit their "facts"......
Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at February 26, 2015 02:17 PM (sCHw2)
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 02:17 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: joncelli at February 26, 2015 02:17 PM (RD7QR)
why people would every believe in a steady state universe is beyond me, its not like I can drink like I was young or anything.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2015 02:17 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: AIVAS at February 26, 2015 02:17 PM (87y4e)
Posted by: ISIS at February 26, 2015 02:17 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Albert Einstein at February 26, 2015 02:17 PM (cgxNI)
Posted by: Ed Anger at February 26, 2015 02:17 PM (RcpcZ)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 02:17 PM (hbvPW)
Dr. Ahmed Farag Ali
Education
2012 PhD in Theoretical and Computational Physics, University of Lethbridge, Alberta, CANADA
2008 MSc in Theoretical Physics, Benha University
2004 Post-Graduate in theoretical Physics, Ain Shams University, Egypt.
2003 BSc in Physics, Benha University, Egypt.
Former Visiting Assistant Professor, Department of Physics, Florida State University, USA.
Ewwww - Florida State!
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 26, 2015 02:17 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 26, 2015 02:16 PM (Q/1Jp)
Told ya so!
Posted by: DC Comics at February 26, 2015 02:17 PM (0Ew3K)
Posted by: redc1c4 at February 26, 2015 02:17 PM (lsWof)
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 02:17 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Marcus T at February 26, 2015 02:18 PM (GGCsk)
Check Popular Mechanics. They may have a better take on it.
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 02:18 PM (sWgE+)
Not one in a million can do the math to really argue these big bang things, and those guys only theorize. But the fact math can explain so much is almost godly itself. Henry understood the Ford, the Ford never understood Henry.
Posted by: Illiniwek at February 26, 2015 02:18 PM (K6DMc)
Posted by: Alicia Puckerbush at February 26, 2015 02:10 PM (XJRDA)
Hey baby, your wave function is sexy. Want me to integrate your Hamiltonian?
Posted by: A Quanta of Sleeze
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Quark you!
Posted by: charm quark at February 26, 2015 02:18 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 26, 2015 02:18 PM (FHh8u)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet requests that whoever ticked off Elsa go and apologize right now! at February 26, 2015 02:18 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, let all the children boogie at February 26, 2015 02:18 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Speller at February 26, 2015 02:18 PM (PsEVn)
Posted by: X at February 26, 2015 02:16 PM (UqJ2q)
Eventually, you run out of other peoples matter.
Posted by: Margaret Thatcher at February 26, 2015 02:18 PM (LISuA)
Thanks, Sleepless!
And, yes, I would gladly enter a mutual protection agreement with the regional Morons.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:18 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Werner Heisenberg at February 26, 2015 02:18 PM (cgxNI)
Posted by: Citizen X at February 26, 2015 02:19 PM (7ObY1)
Doesn't everything?
And isn't this the story of Barack Obama?
Posted by: John P. Squibob at February 26, 2015 02:19 PM (DQZLr)
I like the fact it is so complex, not sure I would like it if we knew everything. But if they do figure out everything there will still be women.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 26, 2015 02:19 PM (WNERA)
Posted by: Citizen X at February 26, 2015 02:19 PM (7ObY1)
We can arrange that!
Posted by: ISIS at February 26, 2015 02:19 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Thunder B is Sick of This Shit at February 26, 2015 02:19 PM (9oLd3)
Uh...doesn't sound ready for whole-hearted adoption.
http://tinyurl.com/seatofpants
Posted by: edj at February 26, 2015 02:19 PM (klzyR)
Posted by: Sphynx at February 26, 2015 02:20 PM (OZmbA)
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 02:20 PM (gmeXX)
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It's forensic science. It's still science, but not as "provable" as experimental science.
Posted by: The Quantum Hat at February 26, 2015 02:05 PM (0Ew3K)
Yeah, I was going to write that it was forensic-y, but didn't bother. I guess what I'm saying is that I think people should be less smug when it comes to discussing origins "science".
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 26, 2015 02:20 PM (shFKH)
Posted by: blaster at February 26, 2015 02:20 PM (Rx8ML)
Then, incredibly simplistic question I know, how did something as vast and material as this universe come from.........nothing?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 26, 2015 02:20 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Alicia Puckerbush at February 26, 2015 02:10 PM (XJRDA)
Hey baby, your wave function is sexy. Want me to integrate your Hamiltonian?
Posted by: A Quanta of Sleeze
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Quark you!
Posted by: charm quark at February 26, 2015 02:18 PM (VAsIq)
A little mood music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYVx178VlZ8
Posted by: Hat, Strangeness, and Charm at February 26, 2015 02:21 PM (0Ew3K)
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 02:20 PM (gmeXX)
The Second Law of Thermodynamics would like to have a word with you.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:21 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Blacksheep at February 26, 2015 02:21 PM (8/DeP)
Posted by: redc1c4 at February 26, 2015 02:21 PM (lsWof)
pa-dum-dum-schhh
Did he tie tie a 2 x 6 across his butt? Just so he didn't fall in and get lost?
Posted by: John P. Squibob at February 26, 2015 02:21 PM (DQZLr)
Global Warming? The earth started out as a big ball of molten iron and it's been cooling ever since.
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And in 500 million years, it will be too hot for humans to live on.
Posted by: Old Blue at February 26, 2015 02:21 PM (AxABj)
Posted by: Tom Brady's balls at February 26, 2015 02:21 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2015 02:21 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Neil DeGrasse Tyson at February 26, 2015 02:21 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Citizen X at February 26, 2015 02:19 PM (7ObY1)
Where's CAC when you need him?
Posted by: Psychedelicat at February 26, 2015 02:21 PM (0Ew3K)
Nice going, sport. Your little typo just destroyed a half dozen 5-dimension universes.
Posted by: Fritz at February 26, 2015 02:21 PM (dVmLD)
clear that science can only see back with their various instruments
(Hubble, Keck, VLA, etc, etc) just so far and no farther. What came
before, chicken, "cosmic" egg, singularity, whatever, they simply don't
know.
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It's one thing to say "we don't know" it's quite another to have something that clearly VIOLATES the laws of thermodynamics but say for whatever reason, that it's not a problem, because "science", and this is the bedrock answer to how everything was created.
Basically, we're all pretending a universe that has nothing supernatural about it gets to be supernatural just this one time.
I'm not arguing against the Big Bang, there was obviously some sort of process the universe was created regardless of your belief system, but it's laughable that science can contradict itself so blatantly.
Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 02:22 PM (YalUx)
A whole lot of energy.
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 02:22 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 02:20 PM (gmeXX)
The Second Law of Thermodynamics would like to have a word with you.
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Catholics say a prayer that basically says the same thing.
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 02:22 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 02:22 PM (TRcau)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2015 02:22 PM (rDqRv)
pa-dum-dum-schhh
Did he tie tie a 2 x 6 across his butt? Just so he didn't fall in and get lost?
Rope ladder.
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 02:22 PM (sWgE+)
Nice going, sport. Your little typo just destroyed a half dozen 5-dimension universes.
Posted by: Fritz at February 26, 2015 02:21 PM (dVmLD)
McGurk!
Posted by: Mister Mxyzptlk at February 26, 2015 02:22 PM (0Ew3K)
Posted by: STB applauding futility at February 26, 2015 02:22 PM (Ofkpg)
Besides, they still have not disproved Thomas Aquinas' "first/unmoved mover" argument.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 26, 2015 02:23 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 02:23 PM (VcOqI)
Posted by: alexthechick - Jazz Hands Gojira at February 26, 2015 02:23 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 26, 2015 02:23 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Barack Ofascist at February 26, 2015 02:23 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 02:24 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Blacksheep at February 26, 2015 02:24 PM (8/DeP)
Posted by: Citizen X at February 26, 2015 02:24 PM (7ObY1)
Not a fan of smoked maple but what's a an to do
Posted by: NativeNH at February 26, 2015 02:24 PM (cfdsE)
Posted by: redc1c4 at February 26, 2015 02:24 PM (lsWof)
It only contradicts itself if it tries to argue that there is nothing outside of nature.
Of course, logically (again!) Science can't do that. Science can only describe this physical universe. If there were some other universe outside this one, it would have no way to know or describe it. If God exists, Science can't tell us that.
But what Science does say is that the universe is running out of energy, and will one day... stop. If that is the case, then the universe is finite, and therefore had *some* beginning. So there *is* a Supernature- something "above" our nature.
Logically.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:24 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 02:24 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: AmishDude at February 26, 2015 02:24 PM (L2xDv)
Laws are for little people.
Posted by: Barack Ofascist at February 26, 2015 02:23 PM (ODxAs)
Would you like to make a contract?
Posted by: ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ at February 26, 2015 02:25 PM (0Ew3K)
Posted by: Michael Mann at February 26, 2015 02:25 PM (LISuA)
Big bang a supernatural event.
The question in your post is answered in your post.
Replace the term scientific laws with natural laws.
Hint- it took a supernatural being to "speak" all that matter into existence.
In the beginning (the dateless past, not because it was sooo long ago but because there was nothing to measure time by. And no, I'm not talking Timex here) God created the heavens an the earth.
Posted by: Gibson classic model A at February 26, 2015 02:26 PM (8Z2uw)
Now not only do I have to worry about the Grays and the Reptilians, now I have to obsess about the Gravitons
Posted by: Extremely Paranoid Guy at February 26, 2015 02:26 PM (OZmbA)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 26, 2015 02:26 PM (qNZ3I)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2015 02:26 PM (rDqRv)
You know they're onto something as they were banned from speaking at my campus back in the day.
Posted by: prescient11 at February 26, 2015 02:27 PM (W7w/T)
Remember that even *Gravity* is still just a "theory."
By the time Science calls something a "Law" it's been proven to the point that you should look at virtually any other possibility before you think you've altered it.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:27 PM (kff5f)
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Well science doesn't really have proof. It has evidence to support a hypothesis.
Alternatively, and this is probably better, it has a consensus - actually I think that is proof.
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 02:27 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: STB applauding futility at February 26, 2015 02:27 PM (Ofkpg)
Posted by: ScoggDog at February 26, 2015 02:27 PM (cBvzT)
Posted by: Marcus T at February 26, 2015 02:27 PM (GGCsk)
See Joey 'ChooChoo' Biden as prime example, or Hitlary.
Posted by: Gmac- Pulling in feelers in preperation... at February 26, 2015 02:27 PM (74McK)
Posted by: Yip at February 26, 2015 02:27 PM (84SRe)
Like, maybe if we could figure out how to go sideways instead of always thinking about time machines, we could meet ourselves on a different plane. But, one of those planes of reality may be where we get the concept of "hell" from so maybe we shouldn't do that after all.
I'm so stoned. Pass the Cheetos.
Posted by: Citizen X at February 26, 2015 02:28 PM (7ObY1)
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Um...no. It's a real thing, starring Sandra Bullock.
Posted by: LIV at February 26, 2015 02:28 PM (VAsIq)
Of course, logically (again!) Science can't do that. Science can only describe this physical universe. If there were some other universe outside this one, it would have no way to know or describe it. If God exists, Science can't tell us that.
But what Science does say is that the universe is running out of energy, and will one day... stop. If that is the case, then the universe is finite, and therefore had *some* beginning. So there *is* a Supernature- something "above" our nature.
Logically.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:24 PM (kff5f)
Thank you. It needs to be said more often that proving/disproving the existence of God is not the job of science. Science deals with physical reality. The Creator of the physical realm has to be a non-physical being, by definition. It's like trying to use a thermometer to measure mass.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 26, 2015 02:28 PM (shFKH)
After Wolf Hall last nite, they had a sit down with the director. Peter Kominsky. He said that Islam is a new religion and only 500 yrs ago, Christians were burning people alive, cutting off heads, etc, too. I couldn't believe he was shilling for these animals and tried to find his exact words on the internet. I didnt but I did find worse: He's directing a drama on ISIS for the BBC. This means it will bow down to ISIS or he will be killed, iow, he and the bbc will bow down to ISIS.
Posted by: Bruce J. at February 26, 2015 02:28 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Iblis at February 26, 2015 02:28 PM (9221z)
Posted by: Cosmic 'Splosion at February 26, 2015 02:28 PM (yqMTa)
studies of the origin of the universe or living things to be science in
the strictest sense. Can't apply the scientific method, as far as I can
tell.
I may be wrong, I admit, but that's what I think.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 26, 2015 02:00 PM (shFKH)
Well, if this new theory can be used to predict some phenomenon, that can be tested in a lab, or observed in a telescope, then a successful prediction goes a long way toward establishing that theory as being correct. IIRC, Einstein's theory of relativity was tested by observing the occultation of a star by the eclipsed Sun, and noting a time differential between that event as viewed, and when it "should have" happened if light rays were straight lines, and not bent by gravity.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 26, 2015 02:29 PM (BhhdU)
Posted by: Marcus T at February 26, 2015 02:29 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 26, 2015 02:30 PM (shFKH)
Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 02:30 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Trekkies at February 26, 2015 02:30 PM (VAsIq)
Is still being proven, IIRC, and has proven accurate to something like 5 or 6 decimal places. It's one of the most proven Theories (which remains a theory) in modern science.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:30 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Bruce Jenners Plastic Vag at February 26, 2015 02:30 PM (W9yI9)
Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 26, 2015 02:30 PM (WNERA)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2015 02:30 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Iblis at February 26, 2015 02:31 PM (9221z)
Posted by: Kaley Cuoco at February 26, 2015 02:31 PM (XpAxm)
You know they're onto something as they were banned from speaking at my campus back in the day.
Posted by: prescient11 at February 26, 2015 02:27 PM (W7w/T)
You mean like how adding one new base pair to a genome takes thousands to millions of years, we have around 3x10^9 base pairs in the human genome and the universe is only about 14x10^9 years old?
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Rascal Scooter Brigade at February 26, 2015 02:31 PM (MbqmP)
That' the depth (dearth?) of my interest in science.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 26, 2015 02:31 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 26, 2015 02:31 PM (VAsIq)
I still want to know how life arises from non-life.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:32 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 26, 2015 02:29 PM (BhhdU)
True. Until something else comes up that can explain it.
But like I said, I find these discussions boring. Not that they aren't worthwhile, but I'm just not interested.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 26, 2015 02:32 PM (shFKH)
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Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 26, 2015 02:32 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 02:30 PM (cbfNE)
Internet. Well worth seeing before pbs carves it up.
Posted by: Bruce J. at February 26, 2015 02:32 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 02:32 PM (gmeXX)
Alternatively, and this is probably better, it has a consensus - actually I think that is proof.
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 02:27 PM (gmeXX)
The universe is just a social construct...
Posted by: Critical Astrophysics Studies Major (with a minor in Uranus) at February 26, 2015 02:33 PM (0Ew3K)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:32 PM (kff5f)
I'd like to know how nothing became everything.
Posted by: Iblis at February 26, 2015 02:33 PM (9221z)
Posted by: ScoggDog at February 26, 2015 02:33 PM (cBvzT)
REPORT: Sources say MO State Auditor Tom Schweich suffered a self-inflicted gunshot wound. No word yet on his condition - @550KTRS
Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 26, 2015 02:33 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Critical Astrophysics Studies Major (with a minor in Uranus) at February 26, 2015 02:33 PM (0Ew3K)
A cisnormative oppressive construct to boot!
Posted by: Iblis at February 26, 2015 02:34 PM (9221z)
Posted by: Bruce J. at February 26, 2015 02:34 PM (iQIUe)
And more neutral-to-antagonistic contemporary/early sources to prove the existence of Jesus of Nazareth than Tiberius Caesar.
Which is a fun thing to point out sometimes.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:34 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 02:34 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Rascal Scooter Brigade at February 26, 2015 02:35 PM (MbqmP)
Just heard audio of the 3-2 FCC vote to allow obama to fully takeover the internet.
After the vote is confirmed you can hear a small crowd applaud and holler. Who were these people??
Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 02:35 PM (hbvPW)
Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 02:35 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2015 02:35 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: gm at February 26, 2015 02:35 PM (/kBoL)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:35 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Cosmic 'Splosion at February 26, 2015 02:35 PM (yqMTa)
Alternatively, and this is probably better, it has a consensus - actually I think that is proof.
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 02:27 PM (gmeXX)
Science should never use the language of metaphysical certainty (math).
Never.
We prove. Nobody else does (except those who are doing, essentially, mathematics under a different name).
But even this paper has no evidence per se. Basically, they are arguing that existing evidence is consistent with this mathematical model they've constructed.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 26, 2015 02:35 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: Obama at February 26, 2015 02:35 PM (pS7Ne)
thanks!
Posted by: @votermom at February 26, 2015 02:35 PM (cbfNE)
So...bent lines?
You know you want it.
Posted by: Robin Thicke at February 26, 2015 02:35 PM (87y4e)
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Set phasers to "kill"!
Posted by: Trekkies
Quit talking into a beeper.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 02:35 PM (TRcau)
Then how does ONE BITE of Taco Bell lead to thirteen pounds of shit in the toilet, huh? Huh? Answer that, tough guy!
Posted by: Agressive Anti-scientist at February 26, 2015 02:36 PM (VAsIq)
If we ever find out who those people were who applauded the FCC vote, I can guarantee you they'll be the Usual Suspects of Leftists.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 02:36 PM (hbvPW)
Posted by: Hairy faced guy with girl hands at February 26, 2015 02:36 PM (OZmbA)
I may be wrong, I admit, but that's what I think.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 26, 2015 02:00 PM (shFKH)>>>
Scientific method is so passé. We've evolved beyond that.
Posted by: gm at February 26, 2015 02:36 PM (/kBoL)
washex.am/1LKk7XY
Where do I go to get my Freedom back?
Posted by: Infidel at February 26, 2015 02:36 PM (Z1SI2)
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 26, 2015 02:36 PM (ntuyY)
I don't think Science plays a role in proving or disproving God. It can't be done, end of story.
But when there's an agreed upon consensus about how the universe was created, and it violates all the same laws that the consensus agree with, it's a contradiction that should be pointed out.
Science wants to have its cake and eat it to, the laws don't apply before the universe was created. So basically we have a scientific explanation of how the universe was created because we have the convenience to set aside all known science.
Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 02:36 PM (YalUx)
Not exactly.
General Relativity relies on Gravity to make several of its predictions. Meaning when those predictions come true (and many of them have), they also serve as evidence for Gravity.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:36 PM (kff5f)
I WAS TOLD THERE WOULD BE NO MATH ON THIS BLOG.
Posted by: Sharkman at February 26, 2015 02:09 PM (72D6h)
Saurya Das sure sounds like a Hindu name to me. And there are some muslims who are not jihadis, and who might be quite capable of doing good science. I can accept that fact while also still convinced that islam, as a whole, is a great evil.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 26, 2015 02:37 PM (BhhdU)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:32 PM (kff5f)
It's really simple. You see, all it takes is that the very basic processes that lead to life start working several trillion years prior to the formation of matter & the universe, then give it a really long time, & boom! You have life!
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Rascal Scooter Brigade at February 26, 2015 02:37 PM (MbqmP)
All of us down at the Brattleboro Women's Reproductive Health Choice
Clinic think they should present this paper to President Obama to formulate the answer. Lucky we have him and not that idiot Bush that could not even find the bathroom from the Oval Office. We must also support and love our Presdent in order to make this county work well except for Bush who was the worst Presdent ever and a liar.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro,VT at February 26, 2015 02:37 PM (Sd++4)
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Step three in the scientific process.
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 02:37 PM (gmeXX)
The Earth began to cool
The autotrophs began to drool
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at February 26, 2015 02:37 PM (/kI1Q)
I still want to know how life arises from non-life.
Read "At Home in the Universe" by Stuart Kaufman (I think).
He explains how the laws of physics and chemistry make proteins want to form and organize themselves into RNA and DNA.
Fascinating book. Over my head, but persuasive.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, let all the children boogie at February 26, 2015 02:38 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Magneto at February 26, 2015 02:38 PM (VDj/F)
Fairly simple, really.
Also, Global Warming.
Posted by: Phinn at February 26, 2015 02:38 PM (DLUnW)
Posted by: f358;d8;f358 edj at February 26, 2015 02:38 PM (klzyR)
Posted by: gm at February 26, 2015 02:39 PM (/kBoL)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at February 26, 2015 02:39 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:36 PM (kff5f)
I can make predictions about other things based on how much fluid I put into my car?!
Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Rascal Scooter Brigade at February 26, 2015 02:39 PM (MbqmP)
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 26, 2015 02:39 PM (ntuyY)
Posted by: Bene Gesserit at February 26, 2015 02:40 PM (87y4e)
Posted by: Cosmic 'Splosion at February 26, 2015 02:40 PM (yqMTa)
I have a rotten feeling that Ace has given up politics -- or, at least, is taking a break from politics.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 02:40 PM (hbvPW)
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 26, 2015 02:40 PM (ntuyY)
After the vote is confirmed you can hear a small crowd applaud and holler. Who were these people??
Probably the engadget.com editorial board. Just read a ball-sucking article praising it, complete with banner photo of a Code Pink sign.
Fucking fuckers who fuck each other. And in the comments, some troglodyte posted a vox.com "explanation," and not unironically.
These are shitheads. Pure and simple.
Posted by: @JohnTant at February 26, 2015 02:40 PM (eytER)
Posted by: almost-rev. jesse jacksone at February 26, 2015 02:40 PM (2KB+E)
I find it amusing when fucktards ask if you "believe" in evolution, global warming, etc. As if "believing" is a part of science.
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It is their religion. And they are happy to kill in its name.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 26, 2015 02:40 PM (40li+)
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 02:41 PM (sWgE+)
Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 26, 2015 02:41 PM (WNERA)
Then how does ONE BITE of Taco Bell lead to thirteen pounds of shit in the toilet, huh? Huh? Answer that, tough guy!
Taco Bell is the Roto-Rooter of the food world.
It cleans the 13 lbs of shit out of your intestines.
Don't believe me? Watch Beverly Hills Cop. Even THEY talk about the 13 lbs of fecal matter stuck in there.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 02:41 PM (TRcau)
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 26, 2015 02:42 PM (ntuyY)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 02:42 PM (VcOqI)
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It is their religion. And they are happy to kill in its name.
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I "believe" less in evolution each day. I'm becoming more convinced it is a conspiracy started by toy manufacturers to sell dinosaur toys.
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2015 02:42 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Lambda Lambda Lambda at February 26, 2015 02:40 PM (hbvPW)>>>
Politics is an awareness that you're screwed. Better to be oblivious up until the reckoning consumes you than to waste the good times fretting about it.
Posted by: gm at February 26, 2015 02:43 PM (/kBoL)
No. Some scientists do. Science says "We know roughly when the universe began" and stops there.
He explains how the laws of physics and chemistry make proteins want to form and organize themselves into RNA and DNA.
Want to? As in, with a purpose?
But, semantic games aside- so why did it *stop*? Because that doesn't happen anymore, or we'd be knee deep in amoebas.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:43 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 02:43 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Feh at February 26, 2015 02:43 PM (Jsq4/)
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at February 26, 2015 02:43 PM (9LuAk)
The thing is though, if one is looking for an answer to the God question, I think peering out into the vast expanse of the universe is just another way to ignore what is plainly knowable, right here and right now.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 26, 2015 02:43 PM (TOk1P)
they also serve as evidence for Gravity.
I have been told that AtC's Rack serves as evidence for Gravity.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, let all the children boogie at February 26, 2015 02:44 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Roy at February 26, 2015 02:44 PM (VndSC)
Obama, is the worlds best gun salesman. People stocking up on ammo. They aren't buying it to give back unless it is one round at a time.
They HAVE to know this.
The storage life of ammo is very long.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 26, 2015 02:44 PM (WNERA)
Posted by: Feh at February 26, 2015 02:45 PM (Jsq4/)
Yea, IF I still had any guns I would have 1000's of rounds of different calibers
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 02:46 PM (sWgE+)
This, in many ways... is the story of Obama...
Posted by: B B Wolf, retired Sailor at February 26, 2015 02:46 PM (qh617)
I shot .45acp ammo from WWII about 10 years back.
All went boom.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 02:47 PM (TRcau)
obviously some sort of process the universe was created regardless of
your belief system, but it's laughable that science can contradict
itself so blatantly.
Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 02:22 PM (YalUx)
There's no contradiction. The Laws of Thermodynamics could not exist, without a universe for them to exist in. They are observable properties of this Universe, not some sort of metaphysical construct that can exist outside of space and time.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 26, 2015 02:48 PM (BhhdU)
Does that mean that stupid show has to get canceled? Please
Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 26, 2015 02:49 PM (1Jaio)
He explains how the laws of physics and chemistry make proteins want to form and organize themselves into RNA and DNA.
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Want to? As in, with a purpose?
Yes. It's not a yes or no God book. It's an explanation of how the laws of the universe lead inexorably to us.
His premise is that we shouldn't be all so amazed at living on this rock. We are "we the expected".
It doesn't square with creation stories, but it's easy to postulate the creator of those rules as God.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, let all the children boogie at February 26, 2015 02:49 PM (JtwS4)
Good for him, I say. There's more to the world than the hourly goings-on of Team Blue and Team Red.
Posted by: FireHorse at February 26, 2015 02:49 PM (r5Qcm)
Want to? As in, with a purpose?
This pseudopodic motion thing sucks. I'm growing some legs.
Posted by: An amoeba at February 26, 2015 02:49 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: letitbeme at February 26, 2015 02:49 PM (4uDUj)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2015 02:49 PM (VcOqI)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon
I would say 99% of scientists don't stop there. We can argue about "pure" science can or should be, but I'm speaking about scientists in the present and they absolutely explain the Big Bang being a non-supernatural event in the creation of our universe.
I still want to know how life arises from non-life.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon
If this could happen, we would have been able to do it in a laboratory now.
Again, this is no different, we have bedrock scientific laws that spontaneous generation doesn't occur, except that's the entire lynchpin for evolution and the scientific community gets to have this contradiction.
Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 02:49 PM (YalUx)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at February 26, 2015 02:49 PM (VAsIq)
Posted by: US Department of Storage at February 26, 2015 02:50 PM (qNZ3I)
Posted by: Insomniac at February 26, 2015 02:50 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: gm at February 26, 2015 02:39 PM (/kBoL)
Do they ask anyone, Do you believe in the Krebs cycle? Or do you believe in photosynthesis?
You're right. It's a daft question. A more reasonable question about evolution could be asked using other words, but it's not like the people asking evolution gotcha questions are rocket surgeons.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 26, 2015 02:50 PM (shFKH)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 26, 2015 02:50 PM (0FSuD)
I'm just going to leave this here.
http://is.gd/RHPBOU
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at February 26, 2015 02:50 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Gravity holding the sealed envelope to its head at February 26, 2015 02:50 PM (2KB+E)
Indeed. You can only take so much of the sudden but inevitable betrayal per day.
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 02:50 PM (evdj2)
Yup. And those vacuum food storage thingys that have received some "air time" here recently....
Food for thought.
Posted by: not your favorite fool but a fool none the less at February 26, 2015 02:50 PM (8Z2uw)
Posted by: 🍘˘🍘 edj at February 26, 2015 02:50 PM (klzyR)
The "with a purpose" bit was snark.
But, seriously, you'd think if DNA could spontaneously generate, this is something we would have heard about. Did he prove this in a lab anywhere?
Obviously I haven't read the book, since I just found out about it, but the whole "live does not alive from non-life" thing is a bedrock of medical science.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:51 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon
If this could happen, we would have been able to do it in a laboratory now.
Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 02:49 PM (YalUx)
Ahem.....
Posted by: Dr. Victor Von Frankenstein at February 26, 2015 02:51 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at February 26, 2015 02:51 PM (DT3rQ)
Seems their "rationale" is that some rando handgun somewhere can shoot 5.56, so that runs afoul of armor piercing handgun laws.
So of course, they don't ban this rando handgun that nobody owns, they go after the ammo?
Posted by: bonhomme at February 26, 2015 02:51 PM (jhqr1)
Looks like the gift shop in Alextopia.
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 02:52 PM (sWgE+)
Posted by: bonhomme at February 26, 2015 02:51 PM (jhqr1)
It pleases them to do it this way.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 26, 2015 02:52 PM (WNERA)
I thank Sean Davis for pointing this out:
"Evolution" has been disproven.
No, really, scientists don't believe in it anymore. To me, "evolution" is so-called Darwinian Gradualism. That is, there is a slow evolution from...well...nothing to...well...me.
Problem is, there isn't enough time for that. 5x10^9 years ain't near enough time for all of the random shit to happen to (a) create life to begin with and (b) get it to evolve to the ultimate pinnacle of life...me.
So, they've invented something else called "punctuated equilibrium". This is basically the "heat is trapped in the deep oceans where we can't measure it" theory. I.e., we're living in slow evolution times, but there are events that cause rapid evolution -- be they geological or predatory or whatever.
Except that in every other branch of science, they wouldn't recycle the name "evolution" for both theories. They wouldn't. Physics doesn't do that. They give different theories different names.
But they're so invested in the name "evolution" that every theory manages to disprove the previous theory and still gets to be the same "evolution".
Posted by: AmishDude at February 26, 2015 02:52 PM (L2xDv)
Posted by: bonhomme at February 26, 2015 02:51 PM (jhqr1)
the term you are looking for... is 'sophistry'....
Posted by: B B Wolf, Howling... at February 26, 2015 02:53 PM (qh617)
Posted by: I-gor at February 26, 2015 02:53 PM (2KB+E)
Ali and Das are keen to point out that they were not seeking a preordained outcome, or trying to adjust their equations to remove the need for the Big Bang.
Interesting they felt the need to stipulate that. Like they're actual real scientists or something.
Posted by: eleven at February 26, 2015 02:53 PM (ykfyK)
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 02:54 PM (evdj2)
suffered a self-inflicted gunshot wound. No word yet on his condition -
@550KTRS
Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 26, 2015 02:33 PM (ZPrif)
They moved Ft. Marcy Park to Missouri? The bastards!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 26, 2015 02:55 PM (BhhdU)
Hey, the stuff you were working with at least *had been* alive at some point.
Which reminds me, I heard a doctor once explain that it's weird that death in young, healthy (besides some trauma or whatever) can't be reversed- but it can't.
That is, you take John Doe and shoot him, he bleeds out.
Now repair the tissue damage, and pump him full of blood again (his blood type). Shock his heart- nothing happens. Shock his brain- nothing happens. Shock both at once- nothing happens.
Now some of this, obviously, is because we don't know enough about how the heart and brain are interconnected. But it's still interesting to think about nonetheless.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at February 26, 2015 02:55 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Your Anunnaki Overlord at February 26, 2015 02:55 PM (r5Qcm)
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 02:54 PM (evdj2)
shall not be infringed--post constitutional america
Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 26, 2015 02:55 PM (WNERA)
#1. Many people DO own that handgun. It's nothing more than an M4gery sans stock & a short barrel.
#2. It's only SM855? Green Tip.
I've bought 1000's or rounds of 5.56 and never bought green tip.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 02:55 PM (TRcau)
Posted by: Adjoran at February 26, 2015 02:55 PM (QIQ6j)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon
If this could happen, we would have been able to do it in a laboratory now.
Posted by: McAdams at February 26, 2015 02:49 PM (YalUx)
Ahem.....
Posted by: Dr. Victor Von Frankenstein at February 26, 2015 02:51 PM (qh617)
Which reminds me, I've seen the previews for the new "bring a hot chick back from the dead" movie about a million times now. I kinda think I don't need to see the movie. Come back from the dead, have super powers, use them for evil instead of good.
Got it. Thanks, bye.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 26, 2015 02:55 PM (TOk1P)
The only way evolution works.... is if its a cancer.
IE, cells mutate quickly, and either kill the host, or somehow 'change' the host...
Because we have many many cancers in our lifetimes... its just that our normal body defenses kill most of them before they can do any major harm.
Posted by: B B Wolf, Howling... at February 26, 2015 02:55 PM (qh617)
Sans stock, they are not a rifle.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2015 02:56 PM (TRcau)
Posted by: Dr. Ahmed Farag Ali at February 26, 2015 02:56 PM (R1Htd)
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 26, 2015 02:56 PM (ntuyY)
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 02:57 PM (evdj2)
I get that they're fishing for a reason.
Let me clarify my question.
1. Is the rationale I mentioned what Obama's actually saying.
2. What legal process, if any, are they following?
3. If they're challenged, won't it be dead simple to say, "Hey, this gun you're all fired up about (heh) is only owned by about 23 people, so let's just ban that", then they can all go dork their "reasonable man" standard in the cloakroom?
Posted by: bonhomme at February 26, 2015 02:57 PM (jhqr1)
Sounds like a movie with that Scarlet whatsherface bimbo.
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 02:59 PM (sWgE+)
Yes they are. Is a Polish underfolder a pistol in the folded position and a rifle in the extended position? If it weren't for the tax on SBRs, that's what they would be called. It's like the minivan being a "utility vehicle" rather than a car to get around Federal regs.
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 02:59 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Gravity holding the sealed envelope to its head at February 26, 2015 02:59 PM (2KB+E)
suffered a self-inflicted gunshot wound. No word yet on his condition -
@550KTRS
Posted by: Costanza Defense at February 26, 2015 02:33 PM (ZPrif)
They moved Ft. Marcy Park to Missouri? The bastards!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 26, 2015 02:55 PM (BhhdU)
Yikes! He's dead.
One of the few Republicans holding statewide office. Which is usually the means to higher office here. We'll see how this unfolds.
Condolences to the family.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 26, 2015 03:00 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Ride the Light at February 26, 2015 03:00 PM (N05oL)
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 03:01 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 26, 2015 03:02 PM (WNERA)
Posted by: bonhomme at February 26, 2015 03:02 PM (jhqr1)
Hey, hey, hey give me warning so I can get out of ground zero first. Ok?
Posted by: wrg500 at February 26, 2015 03:02 PM (sWgE+)
Posted by: FireHorse at February 26, 2015 03:02 PM (r5Qcm)
cdn.phys.org/newman/gfx/news/hires/2013/bigbang.jpg
Posted by: Fritz at February 26, 2015 03:03 PM (dVmLD)
Nazis did some 'research' about what happens at the time of death... as did a scientist here in the US....
both found a very slight (approx. an ounce) loss of weight when people died...
and like Global Warming... they have been trying to 'explain' it ever since...
Posted by: B B Wolf, Howling... at February 26, 2015 03:04 PM (qh617)
200 years from now,'if we still exist now that we can wipe ourselves out', there will be new questions.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 26, 2015 03:05 PM (WNERA)
Posted by: RGallegos at February 26, 2015 03:05 PM (2pTd2)
Posted by: Gravity holding the sealed envelope to its head at February 26, 2015 03:05 PM (2KB+E)
Posted by: brevity at February 26, 2015 03:06 PM (jmN7w)
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at February 26, 2015 03:11 PM (Xq2WY)
Basically, they are arguing that existing evidence is consistent with
this mathematical model they've constructed.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 26, 2015 02:35 PM (L2xDv)"
This.
This is what the fuss is all about. They have a theory and a math model that seems to match the observed facts. It is early days and this theory has not yet received the scrutiny that, for example, claims of cold fusion have experienced.
One other thing to keep in mind is that sometimes theories can be useful even in prediction even when they are incorrect. I offer celestial navigation based on the theory that the earth is the center of the universe and miasma theory that bad smells cause disease which led to the construction of the London sewers and consequent reduction of cholera.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 26, 2015 03:11 PM (KDbAT)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 26, 2015 03:14 PM (DOu36)
Sans stock, they are not a rifle.
Yes they are. Is a Polish underfolder a pistol in the folded
position and a rifle in the extended position? If it weren't for the
tax on SBRs, that's what they would be called. It's like the minivan
being a "utility vehicle" rather than a car to get around Federal regs.
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 02:59 PM (evdj2)"
Short barreled rifle is a legal classification that means what BATF says it means. It has no other useful meaning outside of that.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at February 26, 2015 03:15 PM (KDbAT)
Yeah, but we could wire the robot prehensile tail directly to my brain.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at February 26, 2015 03:18 PM (/kI1Q)
Schrodinger's cat would approve.
Posted by: GnuBreed at February 26, 2015 03:22 PM (litUU)
Because my mind then says, "How is a black hole formed?"
One of these things makes no sense in context with the other.
Posted by: delayna at February 26, 2015 03:28 PM (KnC4k)
there was no Big Bang because this Universe leaked out from another one and it will never "die" it will just spawn other Universes.
the whole is contained in every part, everything is just a matter of scale.
Posted by: Shoey at February 26, 2015 03:57 PM (vA94g)
Posted by: red speck at February 26, 2015 04:15 PM (9/Ug/)
Posted by: Dr. McCoy at February 26, 2015 04:29 PM (F192H)
372 I'll give them a hint, it's turtles all the way down....
Posted by: Dr. McCoy at February 26, 2015 04:29 PM (F192H)
lol, yes it is
Posted by: Shoey at February 26, 2015 04:31 PM (vA94g)
Posted by: Michael Haz at February 26, 2015 04:37 PM (APCKW)
Exactly.
Posted by: toby928(C) at February 26, 2015 04:49 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Bela Lugosi at February 26, 2015 04:58 PM (3bo9E)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 26, 2015 05:58 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 26, 2015 05:58 PM (39g3+)
respectfully, the Cosmos does not agree.
Posted by: Shoey at February 26, 2015 06:14 PM (vA94g)
http://tinyurl.com/pgnxg24
Upshot: No, the big bang hasn't been disproved.
Posted by: SHART at February 26, 2015 06:37 PM (CATN+)
Gee, maybe next global warming will be challenged, too.
Maybe even, get this, evolution!
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at February 26, 2015 07:35 PM (rldyO)
Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at February 26, 2015 07:42 PM (4pyhg)
Everyone else: This is a scientific question being reported on by the mainstream media. When does the mainstream media get anything else right?
Exactly. Well, they're even worse than that with science.
The Big Bang most definitely happened. As The Oort Cloud noted in #108, we can see the damn thing, or at least, we can see the remnants from about 400,000 years later, when the Universe first became transparent. (Before that, it was so hot and dense that light couldn't travel through it.) The fading glow of the Big Bang is now known as the Cosmic Microwave Background, and it is everywhere we look.
What this paper suggests is a mathematical model where the state prior to the Big Bang was finitely rather than infinitely hot and dense. From SHART's link, though, the paper is at best an interesting curiosity; it doesn't actually establish any of its ideas.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at February 26, 2015 08:36 PM (2yngH)
Posted by: ubik at February 26, 2015 08:53 PM (lCc6O)
all other phenomenon are just variations on that theme, including us.
God is a Mandelbrot turtle, I believe in God and see no inconsistency with my spiritual beliefs.
Posted by: Shoey at February 26, 2015 09:22 PM (vA94g)
we are stuck at one particular level of scale, our senses and our instruments can only detect and analyze things on our level of scale, other Universes are on different levels of scale and so (for now) are invisible to us.
Posted by: Shoey at February 26, 2015 09:42 PM (vA94g)
Posted by: Shoey at February 26, 2015 09:45 PM (vA94g)
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROVE THAT ARISTOTLE WAS RIGHT.
Seriously, Aristotle argued for the eternality of the cosmos 2000+ years ago. He just did it without math.
Ain't nothin' new under the sun.
Posted by: some asshole at February 26, 2015 11:05 PM (eYTh3)
if that is so, then where are the gravity waves that should still be bouncing around the Universe from this Big Bang?
they are not there, you explain to me why those gravity waves aren't there and I shut up about Mandelbrot Sets.
Posted by: Shoey at February 27, 2015 01:31 AM (vA94g)
Posted by: Shoey at February 27, 2015 01:33 AM (vA94g)
So you are arguing that despite all absolute known common sense, logic, and proven scientific fact, something does come from nothing? And somehow the 2nd law of thermodynamics just doesn't apply?
Sounds like someone is so desperate for their pet theory to be true - or the alternative to be false - they're willing to bend their own rules and violate logic and science to get there.
The Big Bang most definitely happened. As The Oort Cloud noted in #108, we can see the damn thing, or at least, we can see the remnants from about 400,000 years later, when the Universe first became transparent.
Well that's one theory. Of course there's the problem of the most distant matter we can detect appearing to be accelerating, which sort of causes all kinds of problems with the theory.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 27, 2015 03:22 AM (39g3+)
Posted by: Xavier at February 27, 2015 04:19 AM (sTWPi)
In my own personal heretical model, the universe (the big one, not our local one) is therefore an immense perpetual motion machine with heavy elements being recycled into basic building blocks of nature by being sucked into a black hole, stripped down, and recycled.
Its just that we don't have the math to describe the process yet. Our math now leads into a singularity, which is a fantasy born from extrapolation (as is my own, but at least I admit it).
The next big step in physics will come about when we are able to explain mathematically how black holes explode.
Posted by: another fred at February 27, 2015 08:20 AM (o2Z7Y)
Posted by: another fred at February 27, 2015 08:26 AM (o2Z7Y)
392 The logical explanation is that black holes explode when they get big enough and that's what the big bang was. Outside the event horizon of our local universe there is an immense universe with lots of huge black holes and every once in a while one explodes creating a new local universe.
In my own personal heretical model, the universe (the big one, not our local one) is therefore an immense perpetual motion machine with heavy elements being recycled into basic building blocks of nature by being sucked into a black hole, stripped down, and recycled.
Its just that we don't have the math to describe the process yet. Our math now leads into a singularity, which is a fantasy born from extrapolation (as is my own, but at least I admit it).
The next big step in physics will come about when we are able to explain mathematically how black holes explode.
Posted by: another fred at February 27, 2015 08:20 AM (o2Z7Y)
yes, that makes sense to me, thank you
Posted by: Shoey at February 27, 2015 02:22 PM (vA94g)
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